Today, Dan tells Jordan all about an episode of The Jim Bakker show that he found that demonstrates the very overt correlations between the world of religious con-men and political con-men like Alex Jones, and how many who preach about the "end times" really just yearn for a Christian theocracy.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
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Thanks for holding. | |
| Hello, Alex. | ||
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
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I'm Dan. | |
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Dan? | ||
| Sir. | ||
| Were we not doing this bit anymore? | ||
| No. | ||
| I feel like we quit this bit. | ||
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No. | |
| How do we explain the podcast now? | ||
| Someone was asking us what a bit that has run its course is. | ||
| I would tell them it would be us rambling around a bunch and then eventually getting to the point that I know a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| And I know less than you about Alex Jones. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| Now we're doing it. | ||
| Here we are in the world. | ||
| I don't know how to start this episode. | ||
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Oh, boy. | |
| I just feel weird. | ||
| I ate some McDonald's just a minute ago, and it's making me feel very strange. | ||
| That's a terrible idea. | ||
| I was running late getting home from an appointment to do this show, and I needed some food because I was in a rush, and I didn't have anything to cook in the house. | ||
| I was feeling weak from not eating, and then I go get this McDonald's, and now I feel worse. | ||
| Yeah, no, that was a terrible idea. | ||
| I feel destroyed, and I don't know how to get the bald mold. | ||
| Moving in the right direction. | ||
| I was trying to say moving and rolling at the same time. | ||
| You gotta sweat it out. | ||
| We gotta get you to do some wind sprints. | ||
| You gotta get that salt out of your belly. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| That's why I haven't even eaten yet today. | ||
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That's why. | |
| I'm hungry for the good show, Dan. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| Well, I hope I can provide that for you. | ||
| My fingers are crossed that that will be the end result of this. | ||
| Your greasy McDonald's-covered fingers are crossed. | ||
| Something I'm less concerned about being great is one of our new donors. | ||
| Wonderful. | ||
| Not a new donor, per se. | ||
| Someone has taken their donation, bumped it up a little bit. | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| We appreciate it so much. | ||
| So, Jason C., thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | |
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
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Daddy Shark. | |
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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He's a loser little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ. | ||
| Thank you so much, Jason. | ||
| Thank you very much, Jason. | ||
| If you would like to support the show yourself, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, and clicking the support the show button. | ||
| We appreciate it. | ||
| And it's great. | ||
| We haven't heard a technocrat level clip in a long time. | ||
| It's been a lot of wonks. | ||
| It's been a while. | ||
| We've had some great wonks, but the technocrat, man, that is hot. | ||
| Nice to have it make a resurgence. | ||
| So, Jordan, on our last episode, we talked about... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hard to distill exactly what that was of almost clear evidence of advance notice on Alex Jones' part. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| It's pretty funny, right? | ||
| Pretty clear notice or indications that Roger Stone knows a lot more than he's being forthright about. | ||
| It was great timing, especially since immediately after that, we got the single greatest example of a president being like, These guys are great. | ||
| Don't even worry about it. | ||
| Don't even worry about it. | ||
| It's good stuff. | ||
| It had the wrong word on the page. | ||
| It's the wrong word! | ||
| Would be, wouldn't be. | ||
| It's a mistake anybody could make. | ||
| Very easy to make. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Don't be the grammar police coming down on this guy. | ||
| Oh, yeah, that's rude. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's rude. | ||
| That's classist. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| He's probably committed a bunch of crimes. | ||
| The world is not fun. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And so, today, I thought what we would do is take a little diversion down one of our favorite side paths. | ||
| And unfortunately, it's not Project Camelot, because... | ||
| Carrie, sweary Carrie Cassidy, was just recently in London, I believe, or in England. | ||
| Indicted for meeting, what, Tommy Robinson or something? | ||
| That would be fucked up. | ||
| That would be fucked up. | ||
| No, she was doing her Awake and Aware conference, which no one needs to know this, but if you knew it, you'd know that that was just a conference of weirdos that may or may not be lying about being in the secret space program. | ||
| Or even awake! | ||
| Here's the fun part. | ||
| On our last episode with Project Camelot, we talked about how Eddie Page was clearly a racist alien. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| He showed up at the Awaken Aware conference. | ||
| What? | ||
| She confronted him about his racism on air, and he's like, yeah, but you know what? | ||
| Reality is sometimes racist. | ||
| Sometimes reality is racist. | ||
| And then a week later, she has him on her conference. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| Nothing matters. | ||
| Nothing means anything. | ||
| So I listened to a bit of that, and I was like, God damn it, Eddie Page, this is so boring. | ||
| So I just decided, nah, we're not going to do that. | ||
| But, thankfully, I found something very interesting in the world of Jim Baker that deserves going over. | ||
| So today, we're taking a little trip down to Pleasant Valley, or whatever the fuck he calls his commune down in the Ozarks. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| And we start the show with something very big. | ||
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Welcome to the Jim Baker Show, coming to you from the village of Morningside, snuggled in the beautiful Ozark Mountains. | |
| Today, Jim's very special guest... | ||
| Where's his daughter? | ||
| I'm pissed. | ||
| What, you getting fired? | ||
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...and host of the television broadcast, End of the Age, Dr. Irvin Baxter. | |
| I'm your co-host, Ricky Baker, and now, here's the host of the Jim Baker Show, and my parents, Jim and Lori Baker! | ||
| That also is it? | ||
| Thank you, Ricky Baker! | ||
| What, they all take shifts? | ||
| What is this shit? | ||
| They're all there! | ||
| Why are you coming down on Tammy Sue Baker not being there? | ||
| This is the brother's turn! | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| No, that blew my mind, too. | ||
| How old are these people? | ||
| Uh, they're adults. | ||
| They're adults. | ||
| Hard to say with these evangelical Christians. | ||
| Yeah, that's a good point. | ||
| Because I could put Jim Baker at 60 as well as I could put him at 85. He could be 104. | ||
| There's a lot of wiggle room there. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| So the fun thing there. | ||
| I'm going to go with, I thought Tammy Sue did a better job. | ||
| I don't want to start any kind of sibling rivalry or anything like that. | ||
| Tammy Sue crushed it. | ||
| She had a little more charisma, I would say. | ||
| She had some verve. | ||
| She had some fire behind her. | ||
| Joie de vivre. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I just like how Jim Baker's response is, thank you, Ricky Baker. | ||
| Like he says his kid's full name. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| That's fucked up. | ||
| Well, they don't really have a relationship. | ||
| Very unfamiliar. | ||
| How could you have a relationship with Jim Baker? | ||
| It would be tough. | ||
| It would be tough. | ||
| It has to be so transactional. | ||
| Like, everything that they do for Jim has to be like a... | ||
| Dad, play catch with me. | ||
| How is this going to help me sell buckets? | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| It's going to cost you one year's worth of food to get one game's worth of catch. | ||
| Very, very wild stuff. | ||
| So, what do you know about Irvin Baxter? | ||
| I know that if you are an actual doctor, you should not be anywhere near this show. | ||
| I've got some thoughts about him being a doctor. | ||
| Yes, and they are all no. | ||
| Well, I mean, I don't know how much I want to give away just right off the top, but I will say that Irvin Baxter has no formal education. | ||
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That usually... | |
| That usually hurts your chances of being a real doctor. | ||
| From an article about him in the Dallas Observer, he's largely self-taught. | ||
| He finished high school but never attended college or seminary. | ||
| But since age 20 or so, he's been developing and preaching his particular version of the end times, in which this massive war will kill a third of humanity and Jesus Christ will return to whisk his followers heavenward after vanquishing the Antichrist. | ||
| So did he get a PhD in that? | ||
| I think he's read a few books. | ||
| Is he like a doctor of theology? | ||
| There are plenty of different ways to go down to get the doctor title. | ||
| You could do the doctor group path. | ||
| You could do the doctor group. | ||
| He should just mail Sri Lanka his plans for the end times, and then they'd send him a diploma. | ||
| But you know, being a doctor of theology, you have to go to school for years for that. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| Granted, you could just get it from a diploma mill. | ||
| I didn't do enough. | ||
| Let's face it. | ||
| If you believe in this shit, every mil is a diploma. | ||
| I didn't do a background check on this guy or anything, but I will say that this article... | ||
| I bet there's some domestic abuse in there. | ||
| Hey, man, don't say such things. | ||
| You're just guessing. | ||
| I'm just saying these guys have a pattern of behavior. | ||
| That's all I'm saying. | ||
| He's got a pattern of behavior, but I'm not sure that's what it is. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He definitely fits a very important pattern. | ||
| Spoiler alert, he's a con man. | ||
| But also, there's other things that are like, oh man. | ||
| Spoiler alert, it's Eddie Page in a mask. | ||
| It might as well be. | ||
| No, I don't know if this guy's racist. | ||
| At least he controls it while he's on Jim Baker's show. | ||
| He's there. | ||
| So, like I said, he is an end times guy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So let's just jump in. | ||
| The two of them should hit it off famously. | ||
| We are in the end times. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Is that right, Dr. Baxter? | ||
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Not a doctor. | |
| Maybe the end time, or the end time is coming. | ||
| The end time has arrived. | ||
| We are in the middle of it right now. | ||
| Let's thank God. | ||
| Wait, that's just what June said. | ||
| You have to go through the end times to get to the rapture and get to all the great stuff that's coming. | ||
| And we're there. | ||
| We are there. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| You know what you know that you know, and you know, and you don't get changed very often, right? | ||
| Is that how he became a doctor? | ||
| Well, that's a little different slant, but when you know from the word. | ||
| You know, when you base what you're teaching on the Bible, you know it's right. | ||
| Fair. | ||
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Fair. | |
| I'm going to pause you right there. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| To use your now famous catchphrase, I reject your premise, sir. | ||
| Well, I mean, the first thing we can take away beyond your rejection of premise is these are both two post-trib rapture guys. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Very clearly from what they're saying. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| If they weren't... | ||
| Then they would have to then admit that they should have been raptured and weren't and are now... | ||
| Oh, that would be a possibility. | ||
| Or there is mid-trib rapture and we just haven't gotten to the halfway point yet. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| There's some people who believe that. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| There's mid-trib. | ||
| So, also here, again, this is from that article in the Dallas Observer. | ||
| This is me editorializing before I get to the quote. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Seems like this guy's a little nutty. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Quote, when he was 19, he said he heard a sermon that left him with such a hunger for knowledge that he read the book of Revelation 19 times in 30 days. | ||
| He quit his job as an internal auditor to become an evangel... | ||
| Mr. Baxter said, hold on! | ||
| Hold on! | ||
| His evangelical travels found him in a small town in Louisiana, and a paper wasn't easy to find. | ||
| But when he read the headline... | ||
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Sure! | |
| But when he read the headline, he knew he had solved the mystery. | ||
| Quote, on the front page, it said, Germany sells leopard tanks to the Netherlands. | ||
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Germany was the leopard. | |
| Where is he getting this from? | ||
| He's making it up. | ||
| I mean, just like, I don't recall the Bible. | ||
| I don't recall the book of Daniel specifically pointing out... | ||
| There's four beasts. | ||
| Lions. | ||
| Bears, eagles, and then leopards? | ||
| That's a real odd one. | ||
| Especially since I'm gonna go by just the geography I know. | ||
| And how biology works. | ||
| In the book of Daniel, they would not have had any idea what a leopard was. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| But, also... | ||
| Interesting that Germany is not widely associated with leopards. | ||
| It is just one non-sequitur that he saw in a newspaper headline. | ||
| So if this is the case, then the writer of the Book of Daniel would have had to know that one day... | ||
| I almost called him Eddie Page. | ||
| One day, Irvin Baxter would be proselytizing in a small town in Louisiana and see a headline that involves Germany and leopards and prophesied that and put it into the canonical Bible. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| Did you not hear what Jim just said? | ||
| When you know, you know that you know that you know. | ||
| When you're basing your teachings on the Bible, which clearly he is, and that is correct now. | ||
| Daniel prophesied about leopard tanks. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Must have. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| You must have. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But when he's saying, you know, you know, you know, and you know. | ||
| You know, you know, and you know. | ||
| What Jim is saying there is, like, you don't change your predictions much. | ||
| And it's fun, because Irvin Baxter fancies himself a bit of a prophet. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| In many ways. | ||
| No, that, I don't think so. | ||
| I don't think he's specifically using that to describe Irvin Baxter. | ||
| Yes, he is. | ||
| That is, no, that is an evangelical, like, bulwark. | ||
| No, no, I understand that. | ||
| Everybody that believes this bullshit. | ||
| Always comes down to, if you start to confront them with, like, reality. | ||
| I've had my mom and my dad both say, you know, the Lord says, you know, you know when you know. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| But he's also talking about Baxter's predictions. | ||
| Right. | ||
| In that context. | ||
| So he's using that and also bridging it over to his predictions. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm just saying that it's not specific. | ||
| It's not like he invented it to use now. | ||
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No. | |
| But I want to talk about Baxter's predictions. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Let's hear some good ones. | ||
| This is from an article in the Religion News blog. | ||
| Quote, Leopards everywhere! | ||
| Irvin Baxter took a deep breath and surveyed the more than 2,500 faithful. | ||
| Then, citing biblical text and current events, he voiced a dire prediction. | ||
| A raging war will soon incinerate a third of the world's population. | ||
| Quote, two billion people will die, said Mr. Baxter, whose fiery oration Sunday at Garland connected a Homeland Security measure, the Real ID Act, with Satan's plan to enslave humanity. | ||
| Quote, we have either just entered or we are just before the beginning of the seven year period that will end in Armageddon, he said. | ||
| This article came out in 2006. | ||
| We have either just entered, or we're in the middle, but it could be over the end times. | ||
| That article came out 12 years ago. | ||
| I am going to give you a very specific prediction that it could be and is anytime that it is. | ||
| And when you know, you know. | ||
| When you know, you know that you know. | ||
| So at that sermon that he was giving in Garland in Texas, Baxter complained that the government was collecting data on citizens. | ||
| But then at the same time, he was trying to get people to fill out the contact cards he left on their seats. | ||
| He explained that away by saying, quote, I mean, if we find out the rapture is going to happen in three days, Good one. | ||
| That... | ||
| That's pretty smooth. | ||
| I'm actually going to go with that's surprisingly reasonable. | ||
| That's pretty smooth. | ||
| I think I would like a letter. | ||
| I would prefer an email. | ||
| But, of course, because... | ||
| But God only does snail mail. | ||
| Because these guys are always con men, and they don't stop conning, it should be pointed out that the contact information cards he was asking people to fill out were also subscription cards to his magazine, M-Time. | ||
| This guy's good. | ||
| How much? | ||
| I think it's one of those, like, we get you for free and then you get a recurring bill or something like that. | ||
| It's weird that it's a $30 a month subscription for a four-page magazine. | ||
| And I think it's bi-monthly. | ||
| So he's a traveling itinerant preacher. | ||
| I don't think anymore. | ||
| I think he's too old for that shit. | ||
| But back in these days, he's just randomly going around. | ||
| I think he's a lunatic. | ||
| Who gets out of town before you realize what's happened. | ||
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Right. | |
| He's selling monorails. | ||
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Yes. | |
| That's what he's doing. | ||
| So I want to go a little bit further into the past and talk about what he had to say about the Iraq War. | ||
| His predictions. | ||
| Quote, this is from an article in the Washington Post. | ||
| Leopards everywhere! | ||
| Quote, Baxter, a lifelong student of Old and New Testament prophecies, said casualties will be tremendous, not only of combatants in Iraq, but people in neighboring countries hit by retaliatory missiles of mass destruction and Americans who fall victim to terrorists armed with portable nuclear weapons. | ||
| And other countries will take the opportunity to pursue their own interests. | ||
| China trying to retake Taiwan, or India making an all-out assault on Kashmir. | ||
| Leading to World War III, he said. | ||
| The result, Baxter concludes, could be nuclear holocaust that takes the lives of two billion people, the one-third of mankind stated in Revelation. | ||
| He's constantly trying to work that one-third. | ||
| It's in the book! | ||
| It's in the book! | ||
| You gotta put it in there. | ||
| You can't say that he's wrong. | ||
| Also, that is not technically a third. | ||
| Not anymore. | ||
| I don't think I count it. | ||
| That article was from 2003. | ||
| So far, he is incorrect. | ||
| Also, in his March, April 2013, End Time magazine, Baxter reported that, quote, Iran's nuclear bomb program is complete, citing a, quote, source in the Revolutionary Guards Intelligence Unit. | ||
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Wait! | |
| Which I don't think are talking to him. | ||
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. | |
| Hold on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How did he get a hold of this source? | ||
| I need to know that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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I need way more information about that claim. | |
| I unfortunately can't provide that for you. | ||
| I was traveling around, preaching the Lord's word, telling people about the end times as the Bible tells me to do. | ||
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In Tehran. | |
| And I woke up one morning and God said to me, fly to Tehran, see what happens. | ||
| So I did. | ||
| And I bought a newspaper. | ||
| First off? | ||
| Leopards. | ||
| Lot of leopards. | ||
| Second, I met a member of the Royal Revolutionary Guard, and we just got to talking. | ||
| We hit it off. | ||
| I explained to him how the end times work, and he was like, dude, you have no idea how great the end times is going to be. | ||
| We're going to start it. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| I have two possible options. | ||
| One, he's making it up, which is the most likely. | ||
| Most likely. | ||
| Or he's citing, without citing, some sort of Republican, real crazy right-wing blog or something like that. | ||
| That's my guess. | ||
| And they're making it up, and he is... | ||
| Poorly reporting it. | ||
| So, but anyway, look, dude, I mean, so his predictions aren't good. | ||
| We can say that. | ||
| With just a cursory glance at some of his history, we can see that, yes, his prediction doesn't change, but it changes. | ||
| You know, like, it's always a third of humanity, but the context seems to change, and he's wrong about almost everything. | ||
| You gotta update it. | ||
| You can't do the same material for more than three years if you're gonna be an itinerant preacher. | ||
| He's really just changing the setup, though. | ||
| The punchline's the same. | ||
| Well, yeah, but the setup is a... | ||
| Bad showmanship. | ||
| It's still okay. | ||
| So, you might be thinking that he's calling this is going to be the end of the world because he says end times. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But you'd be wrong in that. | ||
| And this is actually, I think, a really important reveal that they kind of tip their hand here a little bit. | ||
| Yeah, doesn't it start the thousand year reign of God and so on and so forth? | ||
| We can discuss that on the other end of this clip because I think they make it clear what they're interested in much more in this. | ||
| What is end time ministry? | ||
| Well, a lot of people think end time. | ||
| When's the world going to end? | ||
| They ask me, what do you do? | ||
| I say, well, I'm the founder and president of End Time Ministries. | ||
| They back up three steps and say, when's the world going out? | ||
| And I say, no, it's not that. | ||
| When we say End Time, we do not mean the end of the world because there's another thousand years left according to Scripture. | ||
| We mean the end of the time of human government and the beginning of the kingdom of God because the Bible is explicit that all the present governments are coming down. | ||
| The Bible says in Daniel 7, 9, I beheld till the thrones were cast down. | ||
| And the ancient days did sit. | ||
| Before long, good politicians, bad politicians, we're going to get rid of them all. | ||
| And Jesus Christ is going to be crowned king of kings and lord of kings. | ||
| Blurg! | ||
| Come on! | ||
| All they're talking about is a theocracy. | ||
| Come on, guys! | ||
| That's really all they're talking about. | ||
| Come on, guys! | ||
| Don't be like, yeah! | ||
| Come on! | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| That's hacky. | ||
| But it is important to point this out, because the idea of this thousand-year reign of Christ on Earth... | ||
| They're fine with starting that without Christ showing up. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Well, isn't he in all of us, though? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That's the only way you know. | ||
| So if you want a thousand-year reign of Christ, you have to have the people with whom Christ is inside. | ||
| It's within all of us. | ||
| And then you kill the rest. | ||
| And that's how the end times work. | ||
| Or you subordinate the rest. | ||
| Ooh, no, no, no. | ||
| God would never allow that. | ||
| They have a little bit of a crusade action going. | ||
| He's a little bit more of a straight-up murder town guy in the book of Revelations, at least. | ||
| And the Old Testament. | ||
| And everywhere that's not Jesus saying, please don't murder people. | ||
| Or Jesus is like, hey guys, be cool. | ||
| Hey! | ||
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Quit it! | |
| Hey! | ||
| Cut it out! | ||
| I think that's kind of interesting, you know? | ||
| I think that's... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What? | ||
| I never really thought about it too much. | ||
| What, the end times as a... | ||
| A convenient excuse for a theocracy? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I never really considered it until I heard him phrase it that way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because I know that this guy's a con man. | ||
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Right. | |
| I know that... | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Maybe that's a failing on my part that I don't consider, by default, religious messaging as an attempt at conning. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not all of it is, but a lot of it is. | ||
| And when you hear these very obvious con people expressing these sorts of ideas, it brings into sharp focus. | ||
| Like I said, I can't put it better than to say they're fine starting without God. | ||
| They're fine starting without actual Jesus appearing. | ||
| They don't need that part. | ||
| Frankly, he would ruin it. | ||
| It would hurt. | ||
| Jesus would ruin the theocracy that they are interested in. | ||
| I think you'd have trouble selling those buckets. | ||
| I don't think Jesus would be thrilled with them buckets. | ||
| I think he would be really offended by the commodification of this sort of ministry. | ||
| Yeah, traditionally he was bummed by that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, speaking of which... | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Before you continue, and I'm sorry for... | ||
| It's going to be a smooth transition, buddy. | ||
| Again, I'm so sorry. | ||
| The one thing that I really hear now that I haven't for a while is like... | ||
| Because most people, when they're doing the end times ministry, don't do the second part, the thousand year reign of Christ. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I think that's mainly because now we know how long time is. | ||
| And that's not that long. | ||
| You know? | ||
| It's a while. | ||
| Like back then, no, it is a while. | ||
| But back then, a thousand years is all of the time that they're aware of. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
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And now we're like, Earth is... | |
| Three billion years old. | ||
| A thousand years is not that long. | ||
| And even if you want to go with the Earth being only 6,000 years old, a thousand years is still not that long. | ||
| What's going to happen after the thousand years is over? | ||
| You can still get a bit done. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You could get some done, but I'm just saying! | ||
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Yeah. | |
| God is only fine with a sixth of the length of time that the people have been around. | ||
| I think what you're putting your finger on, and that's something that's interesting, is the human aspect of these supposedly divinely inspired ideas. | ||
| Yeah, the limits of their imagination at the time. | ||
| They didn't have anthropology and history to help. | ||
| But in the present day, we don't worry about those things. | ||
| We don't. | ||
| We sell. | ||
| They sell shit. | ||
| Sell buckets. | ||
| Give me that bucket of Jesus, Lord! | ||
| Instead of buckets, we get another commercial for those water bottles. | ||
| Now, when you fly on an airplane, do not drink the water. | ||
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No. | |
| Don't go into the bathroom and turn on that... | ||
| In fact, it's a sign right there. | ||
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They said do not drink the... | |
| That's right. | ||
| The water is not drinkable. | ||
| They provide water. | ||
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This is the lifesaver bottle of all time. | |
| And the sale is going off on... | ||
| So, real quick, we'll get into the second part of this commercial, but it's really fascinating that their sales pitch is basically, if you find yourself on a plane, this bottle's gonna be helpful. | ||
| It's great! | ||
| Fine. | ||
| You know, fine. | ||
| Anywhere else? | ||
| Breaks down immediately. | ||
| You can buy a bottle of water at the airport for a couple bucks. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| No, you need this $80 bottle of water. | ||
| This bottle with a filter. | ||
| It only works in high altitudes. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| No, because you know he used it on river water. | ||
| He was flying at the time, though. | ||
| Oh, he could have been flying over the river. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Gotten his long arm down like Mr. Fantastic and scooped up. | ||
| We're having three of these for just my birthday. | ||
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The price is amazing. | |
| Three for $78 plus. | ||
| Free shipping. | ||
| It's a $205 value for $78. | ||
| And that's my birthday special. | ||
| But I don't get any of that. | ||
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That all goes to keep this ministry on the air. | |
| But this is the king of all bottles. | ||
| You can take water out of a mud puddle and filter it and drink it. | ||
| We drank water out of the Mississippi when it was flooding over. | ||
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You did? | |
| Out of this bottle. | ||
| He's obsessed with his river water. | ||
| He goes to every river and drinks out of it with his water bottle. | ||
| Drink out of the river! | ||
| So it's Jim Baker's birthday special, but don't worry, he's not getting any of it. | ||
| Go fuck yourself. | ||
| The fucking gall to sell those at a manufacturer price of $205 for three water bottles. | ||
| The sheer fucking gall of it almost makes me want to buy one. | ||
| Just, like, the blatancy of that scam is so bald-faced, it's hard to imagine me not being like, listen, you got me on this one. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Good call. | ||
| I love obscenely overpriced dumb shit. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And you can't beat that kind of savings. | ||
| I mean, $205 for $70? | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| So, one of the things you should know is, much like all of these... | ||
| Sort of very into-the-end-times doomsday folk. | ||
| Baxter is super pro-Israel. | ||
| He's real into Israel. | ||
| And, of course, is very celebratory of Trump changing the embassy, recognizing the embassy in Jerusalem. | ||
| And so they talk about it here, and then I just have a weird thought that occurred to me while I was listening to this episode that we'll discuss on the other end of this clip. | ||
| The big thing happened. | ||
| On December the 6th, I'm sure you know what I'm referring to. | ||
| That's when Donald Trump decided he was going to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. | ||
| And my sister right there is going to be there. | ||
| Can you believe it? | ||
| My sister, who's so quiet, doesn't run around the world, she's going to Israel, and they're going to literally be there on the 70th anniversary. | ||
| And be there when they open up the embassy. | ||
| Super. | ||
| Is that insane? | ||
| They said it can't be done. | ||
| No, they didn't. | ||
| I think something's speeding up. | ||
| Clinton was going to do it. | ||
| A lot of people have said they were going to do it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Reagan said he was going to do it. | ||
| They'll get into that here in a little bit. | ||
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Okay. | |
| But just the thought that I have, two thoughts. | ||
| First, Jim Baker's sister hasn't stopped talking to him, which is crazy. | ||
| Yeah, I know, right? | ||
| That kind of familial bond, I have no idea what that's like. | ||
| Transaction. | ||
| Everything is transactional. | ||
| It's crazy to me when you have somebody who has had such a career of manipulation and lie-based crimes that you still are like, yeah, I'm going to go hang out at Morning View. | ||
| I'm going to still associate with him. | ||
| I mean, you've got to at some point say that scammers don't exist in a vacuum. | ||
| That's divine love, though. | ||
| That is unconditional love that I admire on one level. | ||
| Is it the promise of a lot of buckets of food when the end times come? | ||
| That could be it, too. | ||
| What I admire a little bit less is the knowledge that she was there when snipers were shooting people on the Palestinians. | ||
| Yeah, no, that's great. | ||
| End times. | ||
| Her going down there for a nice, maybe cracking a champagne bottle on the embassy, which is what they're sort of presenting this as. | ||
| She was actually there when murders were continuing. | ||
| The devil went down to Israel looking for a Palestine to kill. | ||
| I thought you were going to weave buckets in there somehow. | ||
| No, that was the best I could do. | ||
| Short notice. | ||
| There's a lot of ideas about the exact nature of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and that's something that... | ||
| People who are much smarter than us can do a much better job of. | ||
| But I will tell you, we could do a better job than Irving Baxter. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| At the dedication of the first temple, God said, I will put my name in Jerusalem. | ||
| And that's the reason there have been more wars fought over that city than any other city on earth, because Satan heard God say that and said, well, really? | ||
| You want your name there? | ||
| Guess where I want mine. | ||
| So the wars began, and the final war, Armageddon. | ||
| So, I don't... | ||
| The big issue that I have there is I don't like the idea of, like, just petulant siblings as God and the devil. | ||
| Like, I really don't... | ||
| I'm not a fan of that. | ||
| The idea that, like, you have a ball and your brother wants it, so you fight. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I don't... | ||
| Yeah, that's who I want to be the creator of the universe, Dan. | ||
| I'm not into it. | ||
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Yeah, absolutely. | |
| I find it also to be a profound failing at an intellectual level. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| People like this would be making that argument with a straight face. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| Jesus wanted to put his name here, and the devil was like, I want my name there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And therefore, thousands of years of war and people dying all over the place. | ||
| I buy it. | ||
| I find that to be stupid. | ||
| You can correct me if I'm wrong here, but what I do appreciate about this that is very different from Greek theology is with the pantheon that the Greeks had, there was also, like, especially when you read the Iliad and the like, there's a lot of shame for the gods that he has, where he's like... | ||
| These fucking asshole gods keep pulling this shit. | ||
| That's because they're so human. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| That was part of the idea of the Greek mythological structure. | ||
| And these guys are the exact opposite. | ||
| They create really, really human gods, and then they're like, look at how great these guys are. | ||
| They create these two petulant, pissy-ass little brothers. | ||
| I prefer the Greek version. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| Because there was a lot more turning into a swan and fucking people back then. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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Leto! | |
| That's what that Boz Skagg song was about. | ||
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Really? | |
| The Leto shuffle was about Leto and different names. | ||
| Sound very close. | ||
| I like it whenever your knowledge of certain songs and your knowledge of Greek theology line up in a perfect way. | ||
| The only thing I can say is that's a sign of the end times, Dan. | ||
| Oh man, there's this great... | ||
| Fuck, what's the name of that band? | ||
| There's this horn rock band. | ||
| I think they're called Kronos. | ||
| That's really good. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| I've got to find that. | ||
| I'm talking out of my ass. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| It's good stuff, though. | ||
| Look out. | ||
| Cronus. | ||
| Anyway, speaking of good stuff, I earlier said, very recently, that I think that Irvin Baxter is a dum-dum. | ||
| And he's presenting something very stupid. | ||
| But this next clip might, you know, it's indicative that he has some kind of knowledge that we don't have. | ||
| And he's very confident about it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You know, Jim, I go to Israel twice a year, and I keep saying I won't do this, but I do it every time. | ||
| I'm standing on the Mount of Olives, and it's like I know the Lord's going to come and land there. | ||
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I'm always looking around and saying, okay, Jesus, where are we going to land? | |
| I love that. | ||
| Preserving my spot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway, that's where the Lord's coming back to, and it's not going to be very long. | ||
| It's not going to be very long, is it? | ||
| People were in the last days. | ||
| We really are. | ||
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Yes, we are. | |
| I mean, you just heard so much junk over the years, and I mean, a lot of it was junk. | ||
| Just people surmising this and that and everything. | ||
| I only bring people here that are teaching you what the Bible says. | ||
| And this week, you don't want to miss a day. | ||
| But if you want to stay on the air, I have to pay the bills. | ||
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Oh! | |
| Yes! | ||
| And pivot! | ||
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Boom! | |
| And pivot! | ||
| My guest knows where Jesus is coming back, and he's been staking it out to get some nice festival seating. | ||
| Get a nice blanket down, maybe have a brunch. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Give a little picnic. | ||
| No, I don't know. | ||
| It's like the pit in an outdoor show. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That's general admission. | ||
| You've got to be in there quick, otherwise you're going to be in the back. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Then, boom, add pivot on your ass. | ||
| Oh, man, that was Alex Jones level right there. | ||
| That was the end of the world is happening. | ||
| And hey, guys, in order for us to continue scaring you about the end of the world, you're going to have to give us your money. | ||
| In order to continue this feedback cycle that we've trapped you in, we need your money. | ||
| That's only one thing that's very similar to Alex Jones that we're going to experience. | ||
| How many thousands of years of the end times are happening now are Christians going to accept before they're like, maybe the end times aren't happening right now? | ||
| It seems infinite. | ||
| It does kind of seem infinite, right? | ||
| Even in just the years that I've been an adult and aware of stuff. | ||
| We've gone through this dance so many times. | ||
| Over and over again. | ||
| The Book of Revelations was like, the end times is going to happen in a week. | ||
| Everybody for thousands of years has said we are living through the end times. | ||
| But some of that might just have to do with a lot of these prophets and speculators and conmen. | ||
| Being unwilling or unable to wrestle with metaphor and context, like historical context, when these books were written. | ||
| Like, they'll bring together books that were written hundreds of years apart in history and be like, well, this is clearly talking about the same... | ||
| No, the sociopolitical climate was different. | ||
| It's lunacy. | ||
| Well, one day, God told him to turn his TV on to National Geographic, and he saw a hawk. | ||
| And as we all know... | ||
| Hawks are representative of Iran. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Everybody knows that those two are inextricably linked together. | ||
| And that hawk is just coming for our national basketball team. | ||
| That's what's going down. | ||
| The end times are here, Dan. | ||
| Oh, I feel it. | ||
| We are either in the beginning or the middle. | ||
| Or maybe just past it, or maybe it's a ways off. | ||
| Could be anywhere. | ||
| When you know, you know, and you know. | ||
| When you know, you know, you know. | ||
| That last clip was a pretty harsh ad pivot, but nothing could have prepared me for Jim Baker accidentally saying something that I think is profound on air about his money stuff just shortly after. | ||
| And I think this also relates to Alex Jones. | ||
| I have to pay the bills. | ||
| You say, oh, you're on all these TV stations and networks. | ||
| Don't they just give you that time? | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| Some cost me $17,000 for one hour. | ||
| And so I have to pay millions of dollars, but we do it. | ||
| I don't even know. | ||
| We've been back on TV for about 15 years, and I've stayed on every day. | ||
| Can you believe that? | ||
| It's a miracle! | ||
| People prophesied over me that I would never preach again, that I would never be on TV again. | ||
| Don't listen to false prophets! | ||
| You know how? | ||
| You know a prophet is a prophet, do you know? | ||
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Their prophecies come true. | |
| And we make profits. | ||
| The idea that, like, people said I'd never be back on air is like, yeah, but you're paying for brokered programming. | ||
| You're paying to be on... | ||
| Of course anybody can be on air if they pay for it. | ||
| This is very different than the idea of, like, I'm on all these stations and stuff like that. | ||
| But also... | ||
| I don't think Alex Jones is nearly as guilty of that, but I think some of his time slots are probably brokered programming on radio stations. | ||
| Yeah, but that's essentially buying an ad. | ||
| That's all that really... | ||
| It's buying all the ads. | ||
| Yeah, well, exactly. | ||
| That's what he's doing. | ||
| Which is, again, the right-wing talk radio structure. | ||
| This is what Freedom Works and Americans for Prosperity and the Heritage Foundation did to boost the careers of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Glenn Beck in particular, Mark Levin. | ||
| All of these people, they would do embedded commercials and stuff like that for the Heritage Foundation. | ||
| They'd always talk about how positive their... | ||
| They were bolstering them. | ||
| They were buying their books in bulk to make it look like they were bestsellers. | ||
| This is the scam that goes on. | ||
| It's what Sinclair Media is built upon. | ||
| This is the next level of the media scam. | ||
| This is the scam behind the scam. | ||
| Jim Baker is on air scamming grannies to sell them water bottles and shit like that that they'll never need. | ||
| Unless they go to the rivers. | ||
| They're selling these food buckets and stuff like that. | ||
| That's the consumer-level scam. | ||
| And then the business scam behind it, which I think Jim Baker's been left out in the cold on, so he probably does have to... | ||
| You know, pony up and buy everything himself. | ||
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| Which is why he's so desperate and sells like a motherfucker. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Still, he's making money off this. | ||
| You can't afford $17,000 for an hour unless you are making a shit ton of money. | ||
| A lot of money. | ||
| The idea of like, I have to pay for all this and I break even. | ||
| Nope, not a fucking chance. | ||
| Not a chance. | ||
| The other side of it is the people like the Rushes and like the Hannity's. | ||
| Who, you know, whatever their career is now, like, you know, 10, 15 years ago, they were only in the position they were in because of those benefactors. | ||
| Shit like that. | ||
| It's, you know, it's a good system. | ||
| It's a good system. | ||
| There isn't that on the left. | ||
| I'll tell you that. | ||
| No, no, we don't have that kind of canny evil about us. | ||
| No, but everyone wants to pretend that that's what Soros is doing. | ||
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Of course. | |
| Everyone wants to pretend that that's what's happening, but it's not. | ||
| I know you are, but what am I? | ||
| It will never end. | ||
| The brilliance of the right-wing scam to do the most evil shit and then simultaneously accuse their enemies of doing exactly what they're doing as a way to preempt you from criticizing them for doing what they're doing. | ||
| See Roger Stone in August 2016. | ||
| Brilliant! | ||
| It is awful, and that's why we lose. | ||
| That's why we lose. | ||
| It's hard to fight back against in a strong, coherent way. | ||
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Right. | |
| I'm not even positive how you do it, necessarily. | ||
| I mean, we can't, really. | ||
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Torches? | |
| Pitchforks? | ||
| It might be... | ||
| Socialism? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Those sorts of things are certainly beyond our capabilities as broadcasters. | ||
| We don't fucking know what the answer is. | ||
| We just know what the problem is. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| Look at it. | ||
| That's the other name of this show. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
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Look at it. | |
| Look at this. | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| Why isn't everybody looking at this? | ||
| They're all con men, and look at it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look at it. | ||
| Stare into the abyss. | ||
| So, I told you that there were similarities beyond the ad pivot that make this episode in particular very relevant to the Alex Jones that we know and the topics that we cover. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| The pay-for-play structure that Jim Baker's expressing, I don't think that's, like... | ||
| Maybe not the biggest parallel. | ||
| I think there's some overlap, but nothing I can prove in terms of Alex's world. | ||
| I think he probably has, like I said, I think he's probably dishing out for some of those channels. | ||
| But that doesn't make sense, because if he was, he'd have fucking War Room on more than one station. | ||
| But be that as it may, this to me is like this. | ||
| As a businessman, Alex keeps his overhead lower. | ||
| That's not a terrible idea. | ||
| We don't know that. | ||
| Fair. | ||
| We don't know that. | ||
| Fair. | ||
| But we do know that this next clip, well, I know that, and you will soon, is like, this is like, you might as well have Alex Jones on the Jim Baker show. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| The Jerusalem Embassy Act, passed in 1995 by our Congress, which says they have to move the embassy, but they put an out in there. | ||
| They put a little clause in there that said, but if it would endanger national security, the president can sign a waiver. | ||
| So, guess what? | ||
| 44 times the presidents have signed waivers since 1995. | ||
| And then when Donald Trump... | ||
| Why? | ||
| They're just afraid of the enemies of Jerusalem, right? | ||
| They're afraid of offending the UN because most of them believe the UN is destined to be a wonderful world government. | ||
| And so they were going to go straight directly against the UN. | ||
| But what's your opinion of the UN? | ||
| Well, we'll get into that a little later because that's serious. | ||
| The one world government, I'll just tell you, the one world government is of Satan. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Sure. | ||
| That is, I mean, that's just a not yelling Alex. | ||
| And that's why we need a strong nationalist movement that aligns itself with other nations in order to make sure everybody's nationalist together in a global unified front. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yeah, that makes sense. | ||
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| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Could it also be? | ||
| Now, I'm going to posit you this. | ||
| Could it also be that the reason that the waivers have been signed 44 times is because they were aware of the mass murders and instability of the region that would result from this kind of situation here? | ||
| I mean, that's an interesting theory. | ||
| I'm just saying it's possible. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| I'm just saying that it might be that our government has known Israel would be willing to murder any and everybody. | ||
| They have good reason to think that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm less interested in that. | ||
| I want to focus more on Irvin Baxter. | ||
| So, of course, he believes in a satanic one-world government. | ||
| We'll get to some even further parallels with Alex here in a little bit. | ||
| Revelations. | ||
| I want to talk about something very specific. | ||
| This guy has been making money off the Israeli-Palestine conflict. | ||
| That's kind of what he does. | ||
| That's one of the ways he stokes up fear. | ||
| So what do you think? | ||
| I'm going to read to you here. | ||
| What do you think about this? | ||
| Quote, That's something he wrote. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Does that sound a little less sincere when you realize that he wrote that in 1992? | ||
| He's still got time to be right, Dan. | ||
| He's still got time. | ||
| No, because of the seven years. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| He's talking about the Oslo Accords. | ||
| Seven years is a lot longer in God's time. | ||
| Oh, a day to God is a thousand years. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So, quote, Mideast peace talks are in progress right now. | ||
| It appears the treaty will be signed in 1993. | ||
| Is it coincidental that 1993 is seven years from the year 2000? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's not coincidence, that's math. | ||
| But, of course, as always, this is part of a con. | ||
| The article that he wrote goes on to say, We want to send out one million magazines in America this month as the treaty is signed. | ||
| People will not respond to that which they do not know. | ||
| This special emergency edition of End Time will explain the Arab-Israeli treaty and its role in prophecy. | ||
| The cost of printing and mailing a million magazines is $400,000. | ||
| We're opening a Mideast Emergency Fund savings account. | ||
| All who would like to help Awaken America may contribute to this emergency fund. | ||
| After four issues of End Time, we will have 10,000 subscriptions. | ||
| If 10,000 people give $40 apiece, we could Awaken America! | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
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I'm sure all of the money in that fund is going to go to Awakening America. | |
| It's going to go to that. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| But I mean... | ||
| I guarantee that all of the money that he takes is just going to go right back out into the world. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, you see what the game is here. | ||
| It's a very easy-to-see-through game. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, like I said, this gets much more similar to Alex, and it starts in this next clip, and it made me shudder. | ||
| We often refer to international community, New World Order, world community. | ||
| We have the World Bank. | ||
| We have the World Court. | ||
| We have the World Trade Organization. | ||
| We have the World Health Organization. | ||
| Satan is right now herding this whole world into a one-world government because once he gets there, then he gets control of it. | ||
| Then he can control every person on earth. | ||
| And he intends to control every person on earth. | ||
| You know what he wants to do? | ||
| He wants you to worship him. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That's his whole goal. | ||
| Instead of you and me worshiping God, he wants us to worship. | ||
| Him. | ||
| And he's got a plan to herd the whole human race. | ||
| It's through this one world government. | ||
| They call it globalism or globalization. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Boy, this is the same thing. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| How fun is that? | ||
| You know, I have a question. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, Satan wants everybody to worship him. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He wants the ball that Jesus has been playing with. | ||
| Has he ever put forth a good reason why that's bad? | ||
| You mean, has God or Jesus put forth a reason? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or even Irvin Baxter. | ||
| Like, if Satan wants everybody on the planet to worship him. | ||
| Well, because he's old scratch. | ||
| He's a liar. | ||
| He's a liar! | ||
| Yeah, but I feel like if everybody agreed... | ||
| He wants to burn you forever with pitchforks. | ||
| So... | ||
| Poke you in your butt! | ||
| So how is it different if the one-world government... | ||
| He's the great deceiver! | ||
| I just want to yell old scratch again. | ||
| If the one-world government is run by God or run by Satan, it's still two supernatural beings with nigh-infinite power who can do whatever it is they want and we're just pawns in their game. | ||
| Why would you want to be part of that period? | ||
| Well, I think if you want to look at it from a humanistic standpoint and take a lot of the window dressing away... | ||
| I think the argument that they would make would have something to do with, like, God has your best interests in heart, and he has empathy. | ||
| I've read the Bible. | ||
| I don't think he does. | ||
| I think he kind of doesn't like me. | ||
| It's case by case. | ||
| But the argument that they would make is that God respects man, and old scratch just wants to trick man. | ||
| I mean, but if he gets what he wants, why would he continue to trick people? | ||
| Because. | ||
| Just caprice? | ||
| Why do you think, like, Jim Baker went to prison for fraud and he got out and he's still doing fraud. | ||
| Right, but he's, I mean, so, wait, what? | ||
| I don't understand what that argument is for or against. | ||
| I'm saying that Jim going to prison is the equivalent of the devil getting his way, in some ways, because it's the logical fruition of the scam he was pulling. | ||
| It's the natural end to it, so why would he keep doing it after he'd already played it out? | ||
| Right. | ||
| I would argue him going to prison is not a failure, necessarily. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He still has more money than me. | ||
| He had more money than me the day he got out of prison. | ||
| True. | ||
| Yeah, so... | ||
| No arguments from me. | ||
| Yeah, so go fuck yourself with the idea that that's a failure. | ||
| And the idea that he can't keep doing it again. | ||
| Like, he can't just, like, say, oh, I was wrong, but here, now I'm right. | ||
| Like, that to me is the devil getting his way. | ||
| I'm probably wrong about this. | ||
| I'm really not following it. | ||
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I'm not either. | |
| I really don't know what you're trying to say. | ||
| There's a kernel of truth in what I'm saying, but I can't quite get to it. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I guess it would be... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Why does Alex keep lying now that Trump's president? | ||
| There's more games to be played. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| So maybe it's that. | ||
| Maybe the devil gets in charge of everything and then he's like, now it could get real interesting. | ||
| Oh, that's possible. | ||
| And then he would pretend that Jesus was trying to destroy things from behind the scenes. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| The deep state of religion. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| You know, it would be something like that. | ||
| The games that can be played with lies are never-ending. | ||
| The game never ends. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's depressing. | ||
| But I thought it was real fucked up to hear the globalism and globalists. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Which suggests he's very aware of the... | ||
| People who are in alignment with him without pulling the whole End Times dressing on it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, Alex pulls some of that, but not nearly as overt as this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Not to say that he definitely listens to Infowars, but I wouldn't be surprised. | ||
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No. | |
| Or at least is in that community. | ||
| Like that weird... | ||
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If you're an End Times preacher, Infowars makes perfect sense for you. | |
| I would think you might think it's too soft. | ||
| Yeah, you're InfoWars adjacent, so the people that you know know InfoWars. | ||
| The ideas made popular by InfoWars are something that Irvin Baxter clearly is into, and that's not good. | ||
| So, in this next clip, also because a lot of these ideas are based on archaic anti-Semitism and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, so that's not great. | ||
| But, in this next clip, we get to hear another similarity with Alex Jones. | ||
| And when I was listening to that debate of 17 Republicans, all of a sudden, I didn't know who Donald Trump was, frankly. | ||
| All of a sudden, he starts speaking against globalism, I thought. | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| I haven't heard a politician speak against globalism in a long time. | ||
| He must know something. | ||
| And then he spoke against the establishment. | ||
| Well, I knew about the establishment. | ||
| I knew that for 50 years, the same powers controlled both Republican and Democratic parties. | ||
| And I had understood that because I knew. | ||
| That there's a private club in America, and 50% of all cabinet members come out of that private club, whether the Republicans are in power or the Democrats are in power. | ||
| You know, I wondered why, when I voted, I felt like I was voting for Tweedledee or Tweedledee Dumb, and then I found out. | ||
| So, then when he starts speaking against the establishment, I says, does Donald Trump understand this? | ||
| No. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| A politician speaking against the establishment? | ||
| I can't imagine a time when that would happen. | ||
| Someone might call him a Bavaric. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| Somebody who's willing to upend the swamp or perhaps the corruption in... | ||
| Dude. | ||
| I think... | ||
| Every three weeks we have a politician running on upending the establishment. | ||
| I think this is a good story for a person to tell because it... | ||
| Barry's the lead of, like, I heard him saying really fucked up stuff, and I was like, I dig this. | ||
| I dig this. | ||
| He's going to be repressive to people who aren't like me. | ||
| When I heard Donald say that all Mexicans were rapists, I was like, whoa, I have never heard a politician say that before. | ||
| You don't want to say that. | ||
| I can get on board with this guy. | ||
| You don't want to be the guy going on Jim Baker's show and saying that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You want to say, uh, hey. | ||
| He was against the establishment. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| When I heard him say that you can grab them by the pussy, I was like, holy cow, this guy is really going to upend the establishment. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When I read about him raping his wife... | ||
| So, like, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what to do with it, but there you go. | ||
| You know, you have this guest on Jim Baker's show who's super into... | ||
| Real inaccurate end times prophecies. | ||
| And it turns out he also believes the same shit as Alex Jones about politics. | ||
| So that's super fun. | ||
| Also, this is super fun. | ||
| I don't think that... | ||
| I think that here's a good example of Irvin Baxter talking shit. | ||
| The Bible actually tells us that there is a great harvest coming because we've got these two witnesses. | ||
| You know, Satan has his two agents, Antichrist and False Prophet. | ||
| They're alive somewhere today. | ||
| They're alive. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| We don't know yet who they are for sure. | ||
| I do know who the false prophet will be when the Antichrist arrives. | ||
| But these two are on the earth right now. | ||
| But I'm not going to tell you. | ||
| God is not sitting idly by. | ||
| Because at the same time the Antichrist is revealed, the Bible says, he will send his two witnesses. | ||
| They call them the two witnesses or the two prophets. | ||
| And they're going to prophesy for 1,260 days. | ||
| And these two... | ||
| These two preachers are going to be powerful. | ||
| They're going to have the option of turning off nations' reign if those nations rebel against God. | ||
| Sometimes the water will be turned into blood. | ||
| You can read all about it in Revelation chapter number 11. Pass. | ||
| Hard pass on that one. | ||
| Hard pass on the prophets who turn off water. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Hey, what are you going to do? | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| That's what happened to Flint, Michigan. | ||
| So we hated God for a little bit too long. | ||
| Water's oil now. | ||
| So we got the false prophet and the antichrist. | ||
| The antichrist is the one who impersonates Christ. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then the false prophet bolsters this antichrist. | ||
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| And then on the other side, you've got two guys who can preach for a long time and one of them can turn off rain. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't like this superhero matchup. | ||
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I don't like it. | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| This is the worst Avengers movie. | ||
| I don't know who to root for here. | ||
| Right. | ||
| These guys both suck. | ||
| On the quote-unquote good side, what does the other guy do? | ||
| Oh, he's like... | ||
| Can they both turn off rain? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| The other guy is like, check this shit out. | ||
| The other guy... | ||
| Look, this is Run DMC. | ||
| That's what we're talking about here. | ||
| All right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| We got your... | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| This is over with. | ||
| This is Run the Jewels. | ||
| You got your killer mic, you got your LP. | ||
| One of the guys, spinning beats, not the best rapper. | ||
| The other guy spits hot fire. | ||
| It's the way it goes. | ||
| I... | ||
| Now you're going to disagree with me about LP not being the best. | ||
| I'm not. | ||
| I was going to... | ||
| I just think that... | ||
| I think what he thinks is that Pope is the anti... | ||
| Or is the false prophet. | ||
| Is the false prophet? | ||
| I think that's what he thinks. | ||
| Because he's the cool Pope? | ||
| Well, that's what a lot of people in these circles believe. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And that's why they were making the argument that Obama was the Antichrist. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He was being bolstered by the Pope. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The evil, cool Pope. | ||
| This Pope... | ||
| Is telling us that the earth should survive and we shouldn't destroy it. | ||
| He is saying that it's okay to be a human being and accept other people. | ||
| And there's only one thing that can mean. | ||
| False prophet. | ||
| Done. | ||
| Sold. | ||
| As opposed to the other pope who was a Nazi. | ||
| That was a great pope. | ||
| Loved that pope. | ||
| The pope who covered up sexual abuse. | ||
| That wasn't the false prophet. | ||
| That was a great pope. | ||
| The thing that I love about this is that it's so... | ||
| I was most of them, yeah. | ||
| It's so Irvin Baxter style to be like, I know this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In the same way, he's very careful not to make these specific predictions about doomsdays, which is why it's fun that we were able to very easily come up with a couple that he said from over the last 30 years. | ||
| But he would never be dumb enough to be like, I know who the Antichrist's messenger is. | ||
| The false prophet is blank on air. | ||
| You don't get any cachet out of that. | ||
| It's not fun. | ||
| It's not sexy when you're wrong all the time. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
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I love this level of psychopath. | |
| Because serial killers are such a bummer. | ||
| They're fascinating, but they're a bummer. | ||
| This level of psychopath is you know this guy goes home. | ||
| And sleep so well. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| He is just like, another day in the factory scamming people out of money. | ||
| I am good! | ||
| He probably has less concern of people hurting him and more like the IRS looking into it. | ||
| And that fear is kind of like, well, I'll know when I'm in trouble. | ||
| So until I know... | ||
| Well, yeah, but these psychopaths always think that they're going to be one step ahead. | ||
| They always think they're going to outsmart whomever is coming after them. | ||
| So, you know, I mean, Jim Baker probably only had that reinforced after getting out of prison and jumping back into the scam. | ||
| He was like, look, all they did to me was put me away for a few years and now I'm still rich. | ||
| I just hang out in a cell with Lyndon LaRouche for a little while. | ||
| Dude, what are you... | ||
| What do you got on me? | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Yeah, I can do this again. | ||
| You just taught me the parameters of what's not acceptable. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I know my limits now. | ||
| Yeah, this is blow all over again. | ||
| I went in with marijuana and I came out with a bachelor's in cocaine or whatever the fuck it is. | ||
| So all this is to say that this is just, I mean, again, it's us banging the same gong over and over again. | ||
| These are goddamn con men just trying to scam grannies out of money. | ||
| Poor people who have been caught up in the fear cycle. | ||
| But more importantly, what they're espousing has real-world consequences, and it's often easy to say they don't really care about the consequences, they just want the money. | ||
| But sometimes they accidentally say things like this next clip that leads you to, I think, make the reasonable assumption that they kind of want to hurt the people that they end up hurting. | ||
| So they're like, First money. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Close second. | ||
| Fuck those guys. | ||
| Yeah, and it might be a tie. | ||
| I don't even know, but here we go. | ||
| And then the next video is the first steps to Armageddon, which we probably have already started, haven't we? | ||
| Yes, we have. | ||
| We have started. | ||
| And I'll just tip the hat just a little bit. | ||
| And that is on, I believe it was November the 29th of 2012. | ||
| The General Assembly of the UN voted to recognize the Palestinians as a non-member state. | ||
| Well, once they recognized them as a recognized state, that qualified them to join the World Court, the International Criminal Court. | ||
| And once they become a member of the International Criminal Court, which they now have done, they have the right to file charges against Israel so that the International Criminal Court, an arm of the United Nations, can put the leaders of Israel on trial. | ||
| So this was the first step, and I tell all about it and why it's so significant in this particular DVD. | ||
| It's another aspect of the understanding that we all need right now. | ||
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Wow. | |
| You need to know because the king is coming back. | ||
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Yes. | |
| And, you know, all hell is going to break loose. | ||
| So he is super afraid of the idea of Palestinians having rights. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's terrible. | ||
| That's a sign of the end times. | ||
| All hell could break loose. | ||
| Palestinians having the right of recourse. | ||
| Dude, you start giving people rights. | ||
| We've seen this time and time again throughout history. | ||
| You start giving people rights, and then they want to use them. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| And that's the end times. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| That's the end times, Dan. | ||
| It's only the end times for one thing. | ||
| Hey, you're gonna say, but I don't need to hear it. | ||
| You're gonna say, I don't need to hear it. | ||
| But it's not even the one thing. | ||
| I think we're probably talking about white supremacy. | ||
| But it's more than that. | ||
| Because it's not just about white. | ||
| It's entrenched power. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It's about minority-majority rule. | ||
| It's about repression. | ||
| It's about continuing a system of repression. | ||
| It's about South Africa being owned by 10% white people and then being really pissed when 90% of the population is like, hey, aren't we human beings too? | ||
| And having no... | ||
| No interest in the status quo being equitable. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No interest in the idea that people who have been wronged can have recourse other than protesting and getting shot outside a wall. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| So, cool. | ||
| We let them have their protest, Dan. | ||
| I didn't do shit. | ||
| I didn't let anybody do anything. | ||
| I said they can do whatever they want. | ||
| Do what thou wilt. | ||
| See, now that, now I kind of want Satan to rule the world. | ||
| He's got a good policy. | ||
| Aleister Crowley was Aldi version Satan. | ||
| A three liter bottle of cola of Satan. | ||
| Anyway, we have one more clip. | ||
| And again, it's another parallel because the other day when we were doing an Alex Jones episode, we heard... | ||
| Him have that guy Stan Deo on, who is a Christian fundamentalist, who is talking about the caldera Yellowstone was going to blow, but then also saying a bunch of flagrantly racist stuff. | ||
| And it's interesting because that's on Jim Baker's mind, too. | ||
| Today, a new headline about Yellowstone. | ||
| It says Yellowstone volcano eruption. | ||
| World not ready. | ||
| The Red Dragon! | ||
| The world's not ready for a major blast, experts say. | ||
| Millions may die. | ||
| They're saying Yellowstone volcano eruption could kill scores of people, actually millions, rock economies, disrupt air travel, even threaten peace as the world's unprepared for the next major volcanic blast, scientists say. | ||
| This says this next major eruption could very well happen in your lifetime. | ||
| Death toll could reach millions. | ||
| This is a brand new story just out today. | ||
| Millions of hungry people do not stay quiet for a long time. | ||
| I smell an ad pivot. | ||
| I smell an ad pivot coming. | ||
| People fighting, people killing, people doing all kinds of crazy things. | ||
| You better know the Bible. | ||
| Because the people who know the Bible... | ||
| They're the ones who are going to be prepared, and they're going to be soul winners. | ||
| They're going to take advantage of that time, knowing that the time is short. | ||
| And so we're sending these, and you sent a gift of $60. | ||
| We're sending you four sets of teachings. | ||
| And then you have the America's God-given destiny. | ||
| Most people think... | ||
| America doesn't have much of a destiny in the way we've been mocking God and killing children. | ||
| Really, I haven't seen this one yet. | ||
| I mean, it'd be like Israel killing children. | ||
| That'd be terrible. | ||
| The true comedy is at the end, they're always like, I haven't seen this one. | ||
| No, I don't read any of this shit. | ||
| This is so profound and so important, I haven't seen that. | ||
| I haven't read it. | ||
| I just assume it is because I'm selling it, and you guys better send me 60 bucks, I'll send you four of them. | ||
| Skimmed it. | ||
| Gotta do it. | ||
| Gotta do it. | ||
| You know... | ||
| I don't like how clear it was to you that that was... | ||
| Oh, that was such an ad-pended moment. | ||
| The money pitch was right around the corner. | ||
| That was... | ||
| One, you knew it's bullshit because if I understand the volcano under Yellowstone correctly, that is an extinction-level event. | ||
| If it erupts, it's going to kill the planet. | ||
| Maybe a third of it. | ||
| Like, oh, there we go. | ||
| Like, that's gonna fuck everything up. | ||
| I think some estimates say that. | ||
| I don't know if that's a definite thing or sort of a worst and next-to-worst-case scenario. | ||
| Well, I mean, it's just... | ||
| I think regardless, it's like a... | ||
| It's bad. | ||
| Add that to climate change and you're fucked, you know? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And all the stuff that he's talking about, climate change is already doing as we speak. | ||
| Like, people are... | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Displacement. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Famine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's leading to increased nationalism, which winds up leading to wars. | ||
| Why can you only see this and respect the outcomes when it's presented to you as a science fiction movie premise, like Yellowstone blowing up? | ||
| Well, because that's real, Dan. | ||
| But you can't see it really happening in the world around you. | ||
| Climate change is a lie perpetrated by the devil. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| To bring about the end times. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
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| This bums me out. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| The thing that I notice most as far as a parallel between Baker and Jones is when you go down to the lowest levels of this stuff, it's so transparent. | ||
| And what bums me out about that is so many Christians are like... | ||
| Well, we would never be taken in by that con man. | ||
| You mean like Alex Jones? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or Jim Baker. | ||
| So many Republicans would be like, we would never be taken in by that con man. | ||
| And you just go up a level and it's the same fucking scam, man. | ||
| They're just better at it. | ||
| Go down all the way to the bottom and then you can extrapolate backwards and you're like, oh, this whole thing is a fucking scam. | ||
| These guys that we're looking at all the time are the desperate con men. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| And that's why you can see their tricks very easily. | ||
| So simply. | ||
| But it's all done the same way on higher levels. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That's a contention that I hold very strongly. | ||
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| And it bums me out, man. | ||
| It's brutal. | ||
| Bums me out. | ||
| And there's, to me, what's fascinating is that there, and I was thinking this the whole time, I was like, I think I would be way better off with myself if I was taken in by, like, a really good con man. | ||
| You know, like, the best con man. | ||
| There's no shame in that. | ||
| You know, you get taken in by the best. | ||
| The best con man is going to get you. | ||
| He's so good at it. | ||
| I misheard what you were saying. | ||
| I thought you meant right now your life would be better if a good con man... | ||
| Oh, no, no, no, no. | ||
| If you were taken in by one, it would be better that it be a good one. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You would want it to be the Mike Trout of con men. | ||
| You'd be like, look, man, I got nothing against this. | ||
| You got me. | ||
| I'm an ace pitcher. | ||
| He's still going to hit a donger. | ||
| He's still going to hit it. | ||
| Yeah, it's going to happen. | ||
| But when you're taken in by a con man, that's what so many Christians are pissed off about. | ||
| And that's why they can't get past it, is because they get to look down on people taken in by these con men, because it makes them feel better about being taken in by a better con man. | ||
| They're like, well, hey, man, at least I got taken in by a better one than that guy. | ||
| Those people are stupid. | ||
| And there's something to be said for the comfort of the con, too, because when you're the mark, the con man isn't just offering you a way to get rid of money. | ||
| They're offering you a presentation of the world. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So for, like, Jim Baker's minions... | ||
| Minions, maybe not. | ||
| His supporters and people who send him money. | ||
| His minions are his children. | ||
| They get fake food out of it, but then at the same time, they get the comfort of checking that off the list. | ||
| Right. | ||
| In reality, there's probably no need for those buckets ever. | ||
| They're gross and you don't want them. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But the fact that you have them in your home gets rid of some sort of insecurity that Jim Baker has created in you. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| In the same way that Alex Jones, because the world is so scary and so confusing, He is able to contextualize the world in an adolescent way that people are really... | ||
| It gives you a comfort if you think that all the world is this one group of people who are messing things up and then trying to get us all to fight with each other or whatever because they want a one-world government, much like this Baxter asshole thinks. | ||
| That's much easier than being like, no, man, there's rogue agents all over the place. | ||
| People are selfish. | ||
| People often miscommunicate things. | ||
| Sometimes things happen by accident. | ||
| That's hard to deal with because the chaos of it leaves you with an unrelievable anxiety because you're never going to be able to know all of it. | ||
| So if you're just like, hey, it's the globalists, they're evil, blah, blah, blah, it offers you the same thing that having a food bucket in your house offers you. | ||
| And that's the part of me that I think, or not part of me, but that's the part of this that I find the most gross, is that they know that. | ||
| They know that. | ||
| They know that they're creating those anxieties in order to relieve them. | ||
| The Hegelian dialect, if you will. | ||
| Problem, reaction, solution. | ||
| On a psychological level, they are offering that to their listeners, and the solution is always money. | ||
| It's always that you need to give us money, and we'll either give you a thing, or we'll fight the globalists for you. | ||
| And that will solve your problems, and you can go about your life. | ||
| Comfortable. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Knowing that you are taken care of. | ||
| But still be afraid of not white Christian people. | ||
| Well, you've got to still be afraid of them. | ||
| Still be afraid of them, because they're usually up to something, and Soros is paying them to be mad at you. | ||
| I am... | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| I am so fascinated by the fears that they have of the imaginary, like the devil, like all of those things. | ||
| Like, it is interesting to me because... | ||
| The reality is so much of this shit is actually just psychopaths. | ||
| Trump does not have the ability to feel emotions for other human beings. | ||
| He is a true psychopath. | ||
| Yeah, he wants to fuck his daughter. | ||
| It's just like, I want everything, and I will do and say anything without shame. | ||
| They do the surveys and all that. | ||
| What is the highest possibility of finding a psychopath? | ||
| Go to a CEO. | ||
| What is the highest place where you can find psychopaths? | ||
| Go to D.C. All of these places of power where psychopaths congregate in order to fuck you over. | ||
| And yet they can't believe... | ||
| It's hard to wrap your head around a human being who is just a human being that is a psychopath as opposed to an actual malicious devil taking over and imbuing them with this psychopathy. | ||
| But that kernel of truth is one of the other things that's extrapolated. | ||
| a team of psychopaths. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Like this idea that, yes, power is a place where psychopaths congregate. | |
| Alex takes it to the next step, which, I mean, it does make some sense if you don't really understand how things work. | ||
| If there are a ton of psychopaths, they'd get together and psychopath together. | ||
| But generally, they can't really work together all that well. | ||
| No. | ||
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Generally, you don't usually see serial killers working as a team. | |
| You know what I mean? | ||
| That's very, very rare. | ||
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Ah, but there are plenty of actual examples of that. | |
| You have the hillside stranglers. | ||
| But there's way more... | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| There's way more lone gunmen out there. | ||
| And the reason for that is generally people of that mental frame don't work well with others. | ||
| So they can be type A and focused and driven enough to get to the top of a business world where it's like... | ||
| Crushing other people to get up and stuff like that. | ||
| You can do that just fine, but then the idea of all banding together to fleece the rest of the world, which Alex would say is what they're doing, is just, that's not how psychology works. | ||
| No, and what I would really prefer is I would really prefer that if it came down to it, there would be two psychopaths who were evil, who were fighting against two psychopaths who were good. | ||
| And some of them could turn off the rain. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And then we could finally answer that Queen's Clearwater Revival song's question, who will stop the rain? | ||
| I'll tell you who, one of God's messengers. | ||
| You're welcome, Fogarty. | ||
| In a purely punitive way for no reason. | ||
| For not respecting God enough. | ||
| Yeah, if there's... | ||
| And I really, really... | ||
| That's one of the things that I really wish is that... | ||
| People could get past that, like, primitive reactionary idea of the way to solve things is through punishment. | ||
| Like, even if God's messengers, their plan is to fucking punish people who don't like them. | ||
| That is what is built into the hard right evangelical bullshit. | ||
| It's like, of course poor people shouldn't have money. | ||
| They need to be punished for being poor to get over the poorness. | ||
| That makes perfect sense. | ||
| That's the same fucking idea. | ||
| Oh, of course these people aren't acting the way God wants them to, so we kill them! | ||
| Duh! | ||
| That way they'll learn! | ||
| Or we don't kill them, but we celebrate that they got killed. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| We don't want to have the agency of it, but we're thrilled with the result. | ||
| And that's kind of what you can see being expressed here by Palestinians. | ||
| That's gross. | ||
| It's fucking gross. | ||
| Regarding Palestinians, not bi-Palestinians, right? | ||
| I think that's what I said. | ||
| If not, that's what I meant. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's what I said. | ||
| In regards to them, like what Baxter's opinion said. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. | ||
| He's not giving a fuck about them having any rights. | ||
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Right. | |
| Anyway, I mean... | ||
| Well, apartheid has always been great, Dan. | ||
| Everybody knows it. | ||
| A lot of people got rich. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like BB Netanyahu's wife and him and all of those... | ||
| Bobby Chaps. | ||
| Yeah, those guys. | ||
| It's crazy how much they hated it whenever people had rights. | ||
| It's almost like they had a financial incentive to make sure they didn't. | ||
| So, anyway, we should wrap this up. | ||
| We're out of clips. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't want to name a person because it's too obvious. | ||
| Oh, there's only one. | ||
| Ricky Baker? | ||
| That fucking kid. | ||
| No, I'm going to go with Jim Baker's sister. | ||
| What are you doing, lady? | ||
| Oh, I forgot she was in this. | ||
| Yeah, she was in Israel. | ||
| Go fuck yourself, Jim Baker's sister. | ||
| Jim Baker's unknown sister. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Alex, I'm a first time caller. | |
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |