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May 30, 2018 - Knowledge Fight
02:20:23
#165: Rotondo, Round 2

Today, Dan tells Jordan about how Alex Jones completely lost his mind in a live video he streamed on May 25th, 2018 when he took another stab at trying to be a father figure for Michael Rotondo, the 30 year old who got kicked out of his parents' house. It may seem like this is too much Rotondo for this podcast, but please believe that this is not about him. This is all about Alex Jones being a complete lunatic.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
28:54
d
dan friesen
01:07:57
j
jordan holmes
30:17
m
michael rotondo
06:41
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
dan friesen
I'm a huge fan.
unidentified
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed we are, Dan.
Dan?
dan friesen
What up?
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Playboy.
jordan holmes
Say we were...
It's a hot summer's day.
dan friesen
It's pretty warm here in the Chi, I'll tell you that.
jordan holmes
And there is a classic Chicago guy, the guy who leaves his house wearing a button-up short-sleeved shirt with no undershirt beneath it.
dan friesen
Classic guy.
jordan holmes
Starts drinking around 1 p.m., leaves the bar around 6, begins walking, notices there's a nice breeze.
Unbuttons his shirt entirely.
Are you talking about yourself?
With his gut hanging out.
dan friesen
Have you been day drinking and hiding your gut?
jordan holmes
If you saw this man.
dan friesen
Oh, okay.
This is sort of like the guy who I saw the other day tiptoe chasing people.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
I would tell him, hey, everybody.
I'd call him everybody.
jordan holmes
You would call him everybody?
dan friesen
I'd say, hey, I got a podcast about Alex Jones.
I know a lot about him.
My friend doesn't.
And then I'd slap his belly for good luck.
jordan holmes
That's a good idea.
Happy Memorial Day!
unidentified
Exactly.
dan friesen
To the chat room, this is not a hipster shirt.
This is designed as a Pabst shirt, but it's like a Lovecraft shirt.
jordan holmes
Yes.
You have a theme.
dan friesen
My brother, every birthday or Christmas, he tends to give me a Cthulhu-themed gift.
And that ends up being a bit of my wardrobe because I never buy clothes.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So I end up having a couple of Lovecraft shirts, and that's why.
But I guess that is actually even more hipster than if it were just past.
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
I will accept my fate.
jordan holmes
Hold on, sir.
I'm not a hipster.
I'm one of the elder ones.
dan friesen
Right.
Thank you.
I celebrate the...
Yeah, it's more nerdy than anything else.
Anywho, Jordan, we've got a fun episode to go over today.
But before we get to it, I'd like to say thank you to a new donor.
Someone donating to the show.
Very excited.
This is someone who's been down to clown for a while.
Someone who's been listening since back in the Freezing Point days.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I know that because he has the best name in the world.
What's going on out there, Scrump?
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Scrump.
Thanks for joining up with the team.
unidentified
Calm down, Jordan.
Don't laugh at my boy, Scrump.
dan friesen
Anyway.
What?
Okay.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
We can just move along.
So, yeah.
People have names.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
So, speaking of names, I'd like to also give a new name in title form, a new honorific name to someone who certainly merits this title.
We're giving out the next in the Raptor Princess.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
All right.
unidentified
There we go.
dan friesen
Someone who's been super supportive.
It is a big help.
I really appreciate everything he does.
Congratulations, Prop Do.
You are now a Raptor.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Four stars.
alex jones
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Shark.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
unidentified
I know how to read.
alex jones
I am out of control.
I've never really seen a lot of white racism in my life.
I really haven't.
I bet you money there are few living black people that have been abused by white people as much as I have been abused by black people.
Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, both those guys were complete badasses.
unidentified
Complete studs.
Welcome to McDonald's.
May I help you?
alex jones
I'm Benny Sanders.
dan friesen
Yeah, hell yeah.
Shout out.
unidentified
That is maybe now too long, I think.
jordan holmes
That's way too long.
dan friesen
If we incorporate another level, we're fucked.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, it's over with.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
If you're using the Apple podcast app, just hit the 15 seconds about six times and then you're done with that clip.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, I got a couple pieces of business to take care of before we get to today's episode.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
First order of business.
I did announce this on one of our live streams, but I ended up cutting it out of the episode that we released because I thought that the way I framed it was poor and shitty.
jordan holmes
So you've had some time to think about it.
You've written in your dream journal.
dan friesen
I would like to propose a new goal.
jordan holmes
I do.
dan friesen
Thank you.
I'm already married to Penny in Stardew Valley.
I'm sorry.
I cannot marry you, Jordan.
I'd like to suggest...
A couple months back, we had a little bit of a drive towards raising a certain amount of donations that would trigger us launching into our endgame coverage, which ended up being nine hours long and exhaustively...
Defeating.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Describing and breaking down what kind of bullshit he was throwing around there.
I would like to do a similar thing with Alex Jones' Spiritual Bible, the book that woke him up, None Dare Call It Conspiracy.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
However, I've been going through it and I realize we can't do it as a podcast.
It would be 30 hours long.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So I have begun essentially writing a book about why this book sucks.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because I'm going line by line through this fucking thing.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And deconstructing so much of why it's wrong.
All of the context they're getting off.
How many, let's say, Nazi apologist propagandists are quoted as primary sources mysteriously.
Things like that.
And I'm realizing, like, this is just going to be a disaster.
We can't do it as a podcast.
jordan holmes
Okay, so...
From what I understand correctly, your next marathon reward that will be given out as we reach some sort of goal is going to not feature me at all.
dan friesen
Whoa!
unidentified
Yes!
dan friesen
Less work for you.
unidentified
Yeah!
jordan holmes
Off the hook!
dan friesen
You could help proofread.
jordan holmes
I'll tighten up your language a little bit.
dan friesen
Oh, no, because you always tell me to stop using the passive voice.
jordan holmes
I'm telling you, Dan.
Just let me run over it with a red pen.
dan friesen
Passive voice for life.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So this isn't going to come out as a book, necessarily, but it will probably be book length as we get to the end of it.
It'll be up on knowledgefight.com.
It'll be a series of blog posts that'll all just be deconstructing all of this.
And I will begin to release it.
The incentive that I am going to propose, and maybe people will think this is stupid, but I don't want people who already, donate to the show to feel like they need to give more and be feel like they have to like maybe donate more than they're comfortable with or.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, absolutely.
dan friesen
I hate any kind of because people would want this to be released.
jordan holmes
And I don't think that.
dan friesen
I think some people would.
And I don't want them to feel like, I'm going to give more money and make this happen.
So what I'm going to propose...
jordan holmes
Like a lot of Kickstarter rewards are things that are positive.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Instead of, hey, I am going to punish you with a book report.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So why I propose, and whatever, we'll see, is 15 new donors, new donors, from the time that we're recording this, which is Memorial Day 2018, until the end of June.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So throughout the month of June, if we can get 15 new donors...
jordan holmes
We will have our Easter sale.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
It is 30% off to donate.
dan friesen
And I will begin releasing the posts about what's wrong with none dare call it conspiracy and why only a stupid person would ever fall for the bullshit.
That's written about within it starting on July 1st.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So that is the next incentive goal we have.
And if anybody would like to donate, you can go to knowledgeflight.com, click support the show.
Sorry, too long.
jordan holmes
July 1st will be our new Independence Day.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
When we declare independence.
dan friesen
Independence Day!
jordan holmes
From none dare call it a conspiracy.
dan friesen
The lizard folk.
jordan holmes
The lizard folk?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
I thought they were part of the good guys.
dan friesen
No.
Raptors.
jordan holmes
Reptoids.
dan friesen
Whatever.
unidentified
Who cares?
dan friesen
So, the other thing is I am nothing if not full of desire to correct myself.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so, I needed to call myself out about this.
On the last episode, I ended up cutting out something at the beginning after we released it.
So, some people heard the version that has this in it, and some people would have heard the version that doesn't.
And just because I like to smite myself...
I was operating on a little bit of lack of information about the 1,500 children who have gone missing from the immigrant children.
I conflated a couple things, and I spoke of that in an irresponsible way.
And I felt bad about that, so I cut it out of the episode.
And I would like to call myself out on it in case people heard it before I had...
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
We shouldn't talk about that.
The splitting up families and the children who are unaccounted for are completely different stories, and conflating them is possibly not the right thing to do.
I don't know enough about it, and I feel stupid.
jordan holmes
On the other hand, both are staggering evil.
So, I mean, it's six in one hand, half a dozen in the other kind of situation, because why is either of those fucking things happening?
dan friesen
Well, because I looked more into that 1,500 children thing.
I read an interesting perspective on it where a lot of the people who are reported as...
jordan holmes
In town hall, they said, do we like kids?
dan friesen
It's not that.
It's that they're released from custody to people who might be family members or might be a friend of the family or something like that.
So when they're checked up on to see where their whereabouts are, it's possible that they're like the person who's...
Yeah!
unidentified
No!
jordan holmes
Run!
dan friesen
Run!
jordan holmes
Go!
dan friesen
hide.
unidentified
Them being unaccounted for doesn't necessarily mean they're in a negative situation.
dan friesen
They might just be with...
Guardians who don't want to deal with the government, rightfully so, considering what they're up to now.
jordan holmes
No, we live in a world where, like, a hundred years from now, if we found a thriving civilization in a forest somewhere, then their legend was like, well, the white man came to take us away.
We'd be like, oh yeah, no, that was ice.
Sorry about that.
That was America.
My bad.
My bad for creating a whole secret society or whatever, but yeah.
dan friesen
I just felt like a bit of a dumbass when I looked more into it.
I was like, I feel like we should have, you know, be completely above board and apologize for speaking a little bit too flippantly.
Now, granted, some of those people could be in negative situations, and I hope that's not the case.
But I don't know enough, and I don't think we know enough.
jordan holmes
Pretty sure the crushing daily fear of a horrific government changing the rules on you at any given moment and destroying your life, even if you're with a good home, that's usually a fucked up way to feel about yourself.
dan friesen
That other stuff, I stand by what we said.
The guys can go fuck themselves.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they can go fuck themselves.
dan friesen
So anyway, the other thing is I need to give another correction.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
On our last episode, we talked about Michael Rotondo, the 30-year-old guy who's getting evicted from his parents' house.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he was on Alex's show.
And I need to issue a correction.
They did another episode.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Here's an out-of-context drop from what we're going to be going over today.
unidentified
Wait, what?
alex jones
But in closing, I just want to say that I don't think you're a loser.
michael rotondo
Thank you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
In closing.
jordan holmes
In closing.
dan friesen
I don't think you're a loser.
jordan holmes
Wait.
dan friesen
Thank you.
jordan holmes
They kept going?
I thought we figured out how to be a surrogate father pretty quick there and how he was failing at it miserably.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So this is him trying to correct his own mistakes.
Part two.
The never-ending story.
dan friesen
What ended up happening is he had him as a guest on the show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They talk for a good hour and a half.
They do that Infowars employee roulette where everyone's trying to cuck him out.
jordan holmes
Again, creepy as fuck.
dan friesen
It's insane.
Then the war room comes on or whatever.
Why?
And Michael Rotondo, the 30-year-old whose parents took him to court to kick him out of the house, who also has a conviction for stalking, they sit down across a table from each other and have a bull session because Alex realizes he...
You hit the nail on the head.
He realized he didn't do a good enough job of being this guy's daddy.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so he's got to try again.
jordan holmes
Wait, so he goes on a different show?
dan friesen
No, no.
jordan holmes
Isn't The War Room supposed to be a different show?
dan friesen
This isn't on that show.
I think it's recorded while that show...
But it's in a side studio.
jordan holmes
Like they're in the back.
They're behind them.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Might as well be.
So they're in a side studio.
jordan holmes
Hey guys, could you knock it down?
We're trying to record a show in here.
No, no, no.
We're trying to record a show in here.
dan friesen
Just Owen knocking on the wall.
Hitting the wall with a broom.
So I normally would say, alright, we fucked up, man.
We talked about the episode already.
We can't go back to the well.
And we've never really done this necessarily.
Been like, okay, here's part two of this.
I don't think we've done that a lot.
But I listen to this.
jordan holmes
There's not more.
dan friesen
Oh, there's so much.
unidentified
There's not more.
dan friesen
There's so much more.
jordan holmes
It's a weird guy.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
Weird situation.
dan friesen
No, no, no, no.
jordan holmes
Weird shit's happening.
Alex is weird, trying to save white people from themselves.
dan friesen
Take the weird guy completely out of the equation.
This is all about Alex.
We understand that.
And this goes so deep into Alex.
He gets so esoteric.
He's talking in riddles.
He seems slightly dusted.
He's this close to being like, there's two of me.
One only tells the truth.
One can only lie.
He's so close to it.
unidentified
This goes so far off the rails.
dan friesen
There's no way around it.
We have to play it.
We have to go over it.
But then the other thing is, there's one more correction I need to make before we get onto the show.
And this is something that I meant to say on the last episode, and I didn't make it clear enough, and I really regret it.
And I was thinking about editing into the episode just a little bit of my voice being like, and then pretend that you just didn't respond to it.
jordan holmes
It sounded really natural.
dan friesen
That's cheap.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So the thing that I didn't make clear enough is that...
jordan holmes
And then Poochie went back to his home planet.
dan friesen
Michael Rotondo is 30 years old, right?
Mm-hmm.
Is he?
How long did he say he's been living with his parents?
jordan holmes
At least since Alien Gonzalez?
dan friesen
He said eight years he's been living with his parents.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
How old was Michael Rotondo when he got arrested for stalking a woman?
unidentified
22. 22. Hmm.
dan friesen
The reason he probably moved back in with his parents was because he got arrested for stalking a lady.
unidentified
Hmm.
dan friesen
So that is not really...
jordan holmes
We can't prove those timelines match up.
dan friesen
You son of a bitch.
unidentified
You can make a pretty strong argument.
jordan holmes
Nah, I don't know.
I withhold judgment.
dan friesen
Oh, hey, also get this.
He has a different address when he was arrested, so he's clearly living on his own.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So, he was living on his own when he got arrested for stalking a lady.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And then, oh, mysteriously, at some point a little bit later that year, he moved back in with his parents.
jordan holmes
No, I respect where you're coming from here.
I get that.
Coincidences can happen, man.
dan friesen
Fuck you.
jordan holmes
It's possible.
dan friesen
Fuck you.
jordan holmes
Who knows?
dan friesen
Also, to the chat room before we get into this.
Yes, still not smoking.
Over a week now, baby.
Now, let's do this.
Yeah.
Jordan.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
dan friesen
This is so fucked up.
jordan holmes
What is happening?
dan friesen
So, the episode...
jordan holmes
So, Alex is...
Let me make a prediction here.
dan friesen
I love a prediction.
Because you're going to be wrong no matter what.
jordan holmes
Alex is going to attempt to channel the ghost of his father's parenting through this child and speak to it in the past as though it is something that he wishes...
Had been happened to him.
dan friesen
My friend, there will be ghosts.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Anyway.
Yeah.
The episode starts, or the video starts, the live stream, it's an hour long, and it starts with, I don't know, at least like ten seconds of Alex not there, Mike Rotondo sitting alone at a table, fiddling with the mic.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Kind of.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Like there's an innocence to it.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And like a...
This is awful.
So then Alex walks into frame, and he has with him some bottles of Supermail and what have you.
jordan holmes
Wait, we said that was going to happen.
dan friesen
Hold on.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Hold on.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It's Chekhov's Supermail.
Because it comes in at the beginning.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
You know sooner or later somebody's getting some Supermail.
unidentified
You're sitting there the whole time, and you're like, yeah, he's got supplements on the table.
dan friesen
They're there for a reason.
And we'll get to that later, but here's where we start.
alex jones
See you.
unidentified
I've only got about 25-30 minutes with you until you've got to go catch a plane.
michael rotondo
Right.
alex jones
Appreciate you coming into InfoWars.
Michael Rotondo.
Also known as the man of the week.
jordan holmes
Nope.
michael rotondo
Player of the week.
alex jones
They are saying the 30-year-old man that was just evicted by his parents in New York.
You know...
I appreciate your courage coming down here to Texas.
michael rotondo
Sure thing.
dan friesen
Sure thing!
He's buttering him up.
So, again, this is almost just recapping the stuff from the last episode.
Again, he brings up how at least you're not on welfare.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
I just want to say, on a scale of 1 to 10, people that have drug problems or people that are mentally ill or people that are criminals...
dan friesen
You're also a criminal.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
You are not even on that scale.
michael rotondo
Great.
That's nice to hear.
jordan holmes
I bet he was all three at the same time.
alex jones
The media made you the ultimate demon in the world, both liberal and conservative media.
Even the left that pushes dependency and paying for people's anchor babies and sex changes.
I should not pay for somebody's sex change or their nose job.
And so I was kind of jumping on you a few days ago, a little bit, but still saying, wait a minute.
But he's...
Not one-tenth as bad as all these other people.
I'm not saying I disagree with your parents wanting you out of their house at 30. What I am saying is that this whole millennial thing we see of people being obsessed with their phones, being obsessed with television, not going out, not getting jobs, being afraid of change, I think you are indicative of that and actually very, very common.
I don't mean that in a mean way.
unidentified
What is your world perspective on that?
michael rotondo
Well, I think that I've just been doing the best I can, and I've been setting forth a reasonable effort, and I don't think there's really anything wrong with the things that I've done.
unidentified
I stand by the things that I've done?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like what?
Like, didn't on the earlier episode he say that he can't think of anything he's proud of that he's ever done?
dan friesen
Well, he's proud that he's raised a son who's smarter than him, is what he said.
The kid's eight years old.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, that's probably true.
dan friesen
Man, there's a lot of eights flying around here.
That was a bad year for this dude.
jordan holmes
His son was born in the same year he was stalking a lady?
dan friesen
What if the person who...
I don't know who the person he was stalking was because I think victims' names are confidential.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
What if he was stalking his baby's mother?
jordan holmes
That would make the most sense.
Which would also explain why he's not allowed to...
dan friesen
But he had visitation rights for some of the time, I believe.
Because it said that 2017 was when he had a case that made it so he couldn't talk to his kid anymore.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's not allowed to have contact.
If he was stalking her back then, I would assume that no contact from the jump.
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but there are all those fucked up laws in America where it's like your rapist can still have visitation rights.
You know, like that kind of thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
jordan holmes
Like America's a fucked up place.
dan friesen
I don't know what the Syracuse laws are like.
Then...
It also introduces the idea, if it wasn't her, eight years ago, he has a baby with one lady.
jordan holmes
Right.
He stalks another lady.
Another lady gets arrested.
dan friesen
May or may not have lost the job.
jordan holmes
That would create the situation where his baby's mama is like, fuck off, get out of here, move into your parents.
dan friesen
But that would also still leave him in a situation where, like, that's not enough to not have rights to see your child.
jordan holmes
Right.
Although, I kind of think it should be.
dan friesen
I'm not...
jordan holmes
Like, if you get arrested for stalking, it's probably like a, hey, you know what?
Take a while off.
dan friesen
Listen, bro, this is all a mess.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know how to parse it other than to say I'm not for any of this.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But...
jordan holmes
I don't think we have a hero in any of this episode right here, right?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
There's a Chekhov's gun, but there's no hero's redemption.
dan friesen
The hero...
No, never mind.
There is a third character we're going to talk about, but he's not a hero either.
jordan holmes
I keep waiting.
I halfway think.
That it's like Roger Stone should just swoop in and put him on a backpack and then they fucking climbed Mount Everest together and he's like, I have given you all I know and then he becomes the next Roger Stone.
dan friesen
Like a Roger ex Machina?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Roger teaches him the ways and he becomes the next evil.
Like, this is the wire.
At the end of the fifth season you see everybody settling into their new roles.
dan friesen
No, that's Jack Posobiec or Owen are the new Rogers.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
He's clearly...
Training them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but they're shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, they're pretty bad.
That's why I think he's moving.
jordan holmes
This kid's got some serious potential.
alex jones
He's got it.
jordan holmes
He's got that ineffable quality to say no to everything.
dan friesen
Or say, huh, to everything.
So he was unable to deal with the question, what's your greatest achievement?
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
On the show yesterday, but...
Alex does not have such a difficulty answering that question.
Although he feigns a little bit of humility while trying to be like, well, that's very difficult.
alex jones
You know, when I talk about my accomplishments, I don't do it to talk about how I'm big or how I'm great.
I don't go to red carpet events.
I don't try to be in movies, even though I could be.
I don't try to do that regular hierarchical stuff.
But I should talk about my accomplishments sometimes.
Because then it gives other people confidence.
michael rotondo
What would you say your biggest accomplishment is?
alex jones
Well, you had asked me that off-air earlier, and I actually know why you got taken back by Drews.
It's a big question.
And I don't really think I can answer that, honestly.
I think I was just about to try to say...
michael rotondo
It's not an easy question.
alex jones
I've done some big things politically, changing things in the world, but I think the most important thing in my life was studying history early on and not lying into the false paradigms.
And then helping launch really a large vein of the global awakening we're seeing right now.
Rebooting 1776 worldwide, Americana the Renaissance.
You know, I'm going to talk to you, but Nigel Farage, the founder of UKIP that had the whole Brexit that's now spreading all over the world as people pull out of globalism.
You've probably heard of Brexit, right?
michael rotondo
I have.
alex jones
He's credited on the air that...
UKIP was around for about 15 years before I ever had him on, but he said as soon as he came on Infowars, there was no media that would have him on in the UK, that about half the constituents he would go knock on the door spreading the UK Independence Party were listeners of ours, and that that was the ignited, awakened group that then triggered into that.
michael rotondo
So you set forth some significant change.
alex jones
Well, according to him.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
So my proudest achievement is...
Creating a movement that would help support ruining multiple countries.
I love that I read history when I was nine so that...
And now I've toppled fucking Britain.
You know?
Eh, normal shit.
I don't want to brag.
I don't do things to brag.
I'm just saying that if it weren't for me, Britain would still be a country.
dan friesen
Hey, I don't want to brag, but I misread a really stupid book when I was 12, and now I have become the Johnny Appleseed founding father of fascist movements around the United, not the United States, around the world.
I seem to have a global...
Boner for strong men and autocrats.
jordan holmes
What's my proudest achievement?
First, being dumb.
Second, being super confident.
Third, being evil.
That mixture has led to a lot of good things.
dan friesen
But honestly, if I were Alex Jones, I would say that my humility is my greatest attribute.
That's what I'm most proud of.
I've cultivated this amazing humility.
jordan holmes
Even though he doesn't need to be.
dan friesen
No, but listen to this.
Listen to how humble this man is.
alex jones
You never know.
Even when I was on AXS TV, I got to be friends with Mike Judge.
jordan holmes
Name drop.
alex jones
And he would show me some of the notes.
He couldn't find the VHS tape.
I had no idea that King of the Hill was a...
The idea came from my show.
And I'm not bragging, but I was on AXS TV in 1995, 1996.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Hold on.
alex jones
And...
The weirdness of one of the top TV shows ever, you later become friends with Mike Judge, he's like, no, no, actually, here's the notes.
The three Dales, and look, Alex Jones, and then the idea of, like, he kind of split the character of Hank Hill and of the other guy that's a conspiracy theorist with me, but the point is...
jordan holmes
So he is both Hank Hill and the other guy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Dale, I think?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And if it weren't, he is King of the Hill.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
So Mike Judge, heretofore unbeknownst to everyone who's ever talked to Mike Judge ever about King of the Hill.
dan friesen
Through the copious numbers of interviews he's done.
jordan holmes
Millions of interviews he's done.
dan friesen
Oh, also the people who were involved in the show.
It wasn't a one-man operation.
jordan holmes
No, it was just Mike Judge.
Okay.
Just Alex Jones.
Turns out it was all Alex Jones, huh?
And he's not saying it to brag.
dan friesen
No, he's saying...
That Hank Hill and this other character are based on him, and the entire show is based on his show.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
But he's not saying it's a brag.
It's just saying that you can do great things even when you're on AXS TV.
dan friesen
I would say that that show, I don't know if my dates are totally right here, but I would say it was on, probably premiered 20 years ago, 22 years ago?
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
Alex Jones is 44 right now.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So when he was 22, he was the inspiration for Hank Hill.
jordan holmes
King of the Hill.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Everybody knows that that balding 50-year-old father of two, based on Alex Jones, 22-year-old lunatic.
dan friesen
Well, we all know that before Alex Jones got into public access TV and dumb conservative pretending to be libertarian radio, he was an oil man.
Sell propane!
jordan holmes
He sold propane!
dan friesen
So stupid.
Such an idiot.
unidentified
So wait, he actually thinks that he's the reason that King of the Hill exists?
dan friesen
Oh yeah, big time.
So he spends a long time going over, you know, like back in those days I was such a badass and the neighborhood I had to drive through to do the, it was bad, it was violent, I got carjacked, someone was dead on the street.
I don't know about that.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
But I don't care to check into it.
It's way too much effort, so I'm just like, fuck you, I'll let you have it.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
You went to a bad neighborhood to do a show.
We've all done that doing stand-up.
But be that as it may, at any rate, Alex talks about how he made his first film, America Destroyed by Design, and he did it on bad equipment, and he ended up flipping it and making a cool half mil off it.
jordan holmes
Not to brag.
dan friesen
He made half a million dollars on that, and then he turned it around and put it back into the business.
jordan holmes
And that's something millennials could never do.
dan friesen
Never.
So here is him talking about this, and then he accidentally slips and talks a little bit too much about the money, and Mike has an interesting question for him.
alex jones
That half a million dollars, I didn't go get a house, I didn't go get a new car, I put it all back into computers and equipment and employees.
And I hired four or five people and spent all that money that year and paid my taxes.
And the next year, I brought in $2 million.
Until I brought in like $40 million.
But again, you sell product for 50% off, you bring in $20 million, and you pay everybody, and then I spend most of the money.
But see, that's just like Amazon.
It's an evil company.
All this never takes profit.
All they do is dump it back in to be dominant, and now they're going profitable.
They're going to be the most profitable company in the world.
Does that make sense?
michael rotondo
It does.
Don't they pay dividends?
Doesn't their stock pay dividends, though?
alex jones
Yes.
And the way they manipulate it, they don't want to pay taxes, so they say there's no profit.
unidentified
Right.
michael rotondo
When did you get a good accountant?
alex jones
You what?
michael rotondo
When did you get a professional accountant?
alex jones
My goal, you have to get to the globalist level where you don't have to pay taxes.
And then they have special accountants that are political.
I pay a lot of taxes because I'm just a regular guy.
When I use those numbers like $20 million, that's to run this.
I'm not doing this to make money.
dan friesen
Yeah, you are.
alex jones
You understand?
If I was doing it to make money, this is ideological.
michael rotondo
It'd be set up different is what you're saying.
alex jones
Well, yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You do things in the...
And then he just does that, and then he checks it out.
dan friesen
When did you get a professional accountant?
jordan holmes
I pay lots in taxes.
Why did you just say you pay lots in taxes?
dan friesen
Makes me think you don't pay any taxes.
jordan holmes
It makes you think you specifically pointed out...
But why did you say that?
dan friesen
Alex, you're weird.
You're acting weird.
You're acting very suspicious about something that there's no reason to be suspicious about.
jordan holmes
Well, the thing is, it was such a...
This is how I would talk to you if we weren't on camera.
I'm starting to tell about all these accomplishments.
I made, look, half a million dollars next time, two million dollars.
dan friesen
Now it's $40.
jordan holmes
Now it's $40.
I mean, we are a shoestring operation.
Oh boy.
But I put it all into the, just like Amazon.
Amazon doesn't have profit.
Does that make sense?
dan friesen
If he's ever, like legitimately, if he's ever brought in $40 million through his sales in a year, last year he went on record and said that it cost $13 million.
It was during Megyn Kelly's stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He said it cost $13 million in order to run his operation.
That is a profit.
Of $27 million.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Where is that money going if not to Alex Jones and Buckley and the HR department?
Alex Jones is dead.
jordan holmes
Well, I'm sure it's all going to taxes, right?
dan friesen
$30 million is probably pretty exaggerated.
jordan holmes
That's how much taxes cost, right?
dan friesen
Absolutely.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I've seen it.
I saw taxes at Target once.
jordan holmes
Tax is expensive.
dan friesen
So expensive.
jordan holmes
You buy one of those little cards and it runs out immediately.
dan friesen
So he just goes on and on here about how, like, a lot of radio shows, it's just the host, and then they have all their advertisers, and then they got, like, two employees that they pay $50,000 a year to run stuff, and then they take...
jordan holmes
Why is he getting so much into finances?
dan friesen
Just because he's trying to deflect from talking about his own.
Yeah.
He's just talking about, like, ah, this is how Rush would do it, or something like that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
All right.
He's trying to present itself like he is some sort of elevator...
It's not that important.
Trust me, where we're going, we don't need taxes.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
All right.
unidentified
That is a minus one to Dan.
dan friesen
Turns out nicotine helped my pun work.
So in this next clip, Alex just lies a bit, and then Mike Rotundo is confused.
alex jones
I'm not looking at my watch because I don't want to talk to you.
I wish I wouldn't have gotten here late because I've only got 20 minutes left.
25 minutes left.
And I didn't mean to get in here and start going off on Jack talking about myself.
I just wanted you to know that it's easy to call you a bomb like the media calls you.
jordan holmes
It is.
alex jones
But they're the ones promoting that I pay for people to have their genitals cut off.
You know, there have been millions of sex changes in this country that taxpayers paid for.
Now, I don't have to pay for you getting a nose job, do I?
michael rotondo
I don't think so.
alex jones
Should I?
dan friesen
So he's really confused.
unidentified
Maybe.
dan friesen
He's confused by this, but it's really fun to look at the reality of what insurance does cover.
Because if you get rhinoplasty, you can convince doctors that it's not cosmetic.
jordan holmes
It's medically necessary.
dan friesen
If there's a medical reason that you need it, and then Medicare or Medicaid would cover it.
The insurances would end up covering it.
So there are a lot of nose jobs that do end up getting...
Conned into being covered by healthcare.
So, Alex, you are paying for those nose jobs.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Now, if he wants to talk about...
jordan holmes
Pay for one for yourself, you know what I mean?
dan friesen
Hey, the big old schnoz.
jordan holmes
All right, there.
unidentified
That's not a nose, that's a banana.
dan friesen
Maurice Chevalier, is that right?
jordan holmes
You can say it.
dan friesen
Anyway.
So, the other thing, too, is gender-correcting surgeries are very uncommon.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there have not been...
There have been millions.
I would hazard a guess saying that there haven't been millions performed in the world.
dan friesen
Well, I don't know, because we're only talking about the United States.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
We don't take taxes from, you know, the Philippines or whatever.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, period.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I would be very surprised to discover that worldwide there have been millions of these performed, period.
dan friesen
Well, I don't know, and the specific numbers are kind of iffy.
I was reading this one article about how the gender confirmation surgery is up 19% in 2016, which makes it seem like that is a lot.
jordan holmes
No, that's a tiny amount.
dan friesen
But if you read the article, less than 0.5% of those procedures involved any kind of genital surgeries.
There are large numbers of chest surgeries that are done, whether increasing or decreasing size and what have you.
But according to this article...
I will concede that the beginning of this article does say that the American Society of Plastic Surgeons have some questions about the data.
Or the data was supplied by them and there are some questions about it.
So it's not the best data, but in terms of specifics, it's about what I was able to find.
I didn't delete it.
Didn't delete the articles.
That means something.
But anyway, it's saying that only 15 total operations in 2016 were genital correction surgeries.
So the idea of millions of them the taxpayers are paying for.
And we have no idea if those 15 were paid for by out-of-pocket or any of that.
jordan holmes
No clue.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's complete nonsense.
Alex is just making shit up to be mad at because he hates marginalized groups.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
We're not done with nose jobs, though, because Alex wants to talk more about that.
michael rotondo
No, I like my nose the way it is.
alex jones
No, no, I'm saying you have a nice nose.
You have a noble nose.
People say it.
People look at my wife and she's got a big nose and they go, oh, look, she's Jewish, all these damn racists.
And I go, well, she's not Jewish, she's actually German, but I like my wife's noble nose.
I like it.
I don't want a little Barbie nose.
So, that's how that works.
But anyways, that's a side issue.
That's how that works?
My wife's little sweetheart, she's like, should I get a nose job?
When she read these comments, I said, no, baby, we're going to divorce your nose job.
I like her nose.
And see, everything is, some people want the helicopter, they want the jet, they want the biggest mansion.
What do I want?
michael rotondo
You want to spread what you're, you want to make some change, you want to, you know, shake up some things, you want to...
alex jones
Which is human empowerment.
And so what is human empowerment?
michael rotondo
I would say encouragement.
alex jones
That's a big part of it.
But you also have to go through some pain to get that game.
What is fucking happening?
unidentified
What is fucking happening?
jordan holmes
Who is Alex talking to?
Is there somebody behind this kid who is like...
Is he fighting for his life against some sort of vicious demon against the wall?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
What is happening?
dan friesen
Alex took a couple shots right when he got off air in between this.
A couple pulls of the whiskey.
And now he's just yelling at a wall about his problems.
About how his wife wants to get a nose job and divorce her if she does.
And then he's trying to, at the same time, walk this guy down a...
alex jones
Right, but...
unidentified
Why do you gotta go into the...
jordan holmes
Well, some people say my wife has a big nose.
She's Jewish, damn racist.
She's actually German.
But why have you said she was Jewish in the past?
dan friesen
No, that's Kelly.
That's his ex-wife.
This is his new wife with the noble nose.
He's talked about that before in the past, too.
That part of it is him talking to the wall.
That's him doing his bits.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, who is he fucking talking to?
dan friesen
That's him doing his material to the wall.
He's just like doing bits.
He's checked out.
The rest of it is him just being like, eh, you know, what is human empowerment?
jordan holmes
Yeah, but don't ask a question like that.
unidentified
Encouragement?
jordan holmes
You fucking asshole.
dan friesen
It's that, but it's much more.
jordan holmes
That's such a fucking, fuck you.
dan friesen
No, because he's trying to, he's trying to, I don't, I think.
jordan holmes
It's a question that has an answer that only the asker of the question can possibly know.
And you will never get that question right because the answer is whatever it is you didn't say.
dan friesen
Wait.
Wait until this plays out.
I'm telling you, this is the beginnings of him attempting to be like, now what do you think about this?
Oh no, that's great, but really, it's him trying to butter him up.
So, like, look.
There's two things at play beyond him just complaining about his wife's nose to the wall, which is one piece of this that is definitely present.
The other part is him trying to indoctrinate him because he thinks it would be a good get.
It would be a big get for InfoWars for publicity's sake if they get this guy and fix him up, get him a haircut, get him on a workout routine, gets big and swole.
You know, like, this would be huge for him.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
That would be great propaganda.
But then the other side of it...
jordan holmes
InfoWars' version of The Biggest Loser.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't remember what the other side of it is.
But there's a second piece that's at play.
I don't know.
Anyway, we'll get to it as it goes along.
But here's more talking to the wall.
Because Alex, as he's trying to do this dialectical thing where he's like, what is human empowerment?
Well, it's encouraging people.
Ah, there's more.
There is also working for it.
Sure.
Then he gets lost in thought.
unidentified
Does he have a PowerPoint presentation to go along with this?
jordan holmes
Does he at least have a whiteboard where he's writing down ideas?
And you're good at electronics.
We're going to write electronics on the board.
What jobs have electronics on the board?
dan friesen
I remember what the other piece of it was.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
I couldn't come up with it because it's just so basic and crass.
It's him just trying to steal a little bit of this guy's shine.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because he's...
Famous right now.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Heavy air quotes.
Right.
That's the other piece.
jordan holmes
And he's stealth shitting on him the whole time.
dan friesen
This is Alex.
jordan holmes
A lot of people say you're a piece of shit.
dan friesen
There's more of that coming up, too.
This is Alex who's talking to the wall, though.
alex jones
I went and saw Deadpool, and Josh Brolin looks like he is at 3% body fat.
Now, you've got to believe he probably went through some real pain to get that game.
dan friesen
Or loss.
alex jones
My wife has a crush on Josh Brolin.
Anyways, side issue.
I met Josh Brolin once.
He didn't care.
Anyways.
I don't know why I got off on that side issue if I can tell the story.
He was with Sean Penn.
It was acting like a complete cock.
Anyways, my point is that we can all pretty much get something we want.
We can't get everything we want.
dan friesen
That was your point?
That was your point.
What kind of weird digression was that?
My wife has a crush on Josh Brolin.
jordan holmes
Which is weird, because I hate Josh Brolin.
dan friesen
Because I saw him once.
jordan holmes
Because he and Sean Penn was a dick.
dan friesen
They were dicks to me.
I mean, this is great.
jordan holmes
This is alcoholic divorced dad taking you fishing.
dan friesen
No, totally.
jordan holmes
This is totally what that is.
dan friesen
That's why I said at the beginning of this, it's clear that he's only doing it because he didn't get a good run at this the first time.
He's like, I did not come off as daddy.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
I need to fix that.
jordan holmes
This is bad.
dan friesen
So here, he talks more about himself, and by he, of course, I mean Alex.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
I'm just simply saying there's the adventure of getting out of your parents' nest.
unidentified
Yep.
alex jones
So I was trying to tell you the story of me...
You know...
Fucking when I was 11. When I first started making America's World by Design, I had a job at a golf course.
And I had a job selling memberships at a gym.
dan friesen
So those are two jobs that are pretty appropriate for Alex Jones.
One of them is a con man job in terms of selling gym memberships.
jordan holmes
No, they're very good people.
dan friesen
No, they usually try and trap you in contracts.
jordan holmes
No, they're great people.
dan friesen
Then the other one is...
jordan holmes
They have quotas to reach.
dan friesen
The other one is working in the place that formerly, very not too distant past, did not allow blacks, Jews, Irish, or women.
Right.
jordan holmes
But he was in Texas, so I'm sure it was...
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
Very open-minded.
dan friesen
Very open-minded golf course.
jordan holmes
They were allowed to...
dan friesen
Country club.
jordan holmes
All kinds of...
I mean, no women, but...
dan friesen
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
alex jones
And I was working both jobs about 20 hours a week.
Because the golf course was part-time, so was the gym.
None of them wanted to have you as a full-time employee.
It was contractors.
They didn't get benefits.
michael rotondo
Right.
alex jones
It was fine.
So I got it, like I said.
It's a golf course job at like 5 a.m. to go do that.
So the times I was in the golf course a few days a week, I couldn't stay up late doing video editing.
It took me about a year to make the film.
That's a long story.
Anyways, I'm just telling you, it wasn't easy.
Everything wasn't done the way I wanted it to be.
But when I finally did it, I had the radio show.
I had the platform.
I thought, why do talk show hosts just have a coffee mug and a newsletter?
I'm going to make a film proving what I say about the UN taking over the National Parks and Education in America, and I'm going to show them the proof, and the listeners responded.
Does that make sense?
michael rotondo
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So do it!
michael rotondo
It's because of what you were talking about before, about how you're not doing a production, you're doing an ideology.
unidentified
Ooh.
dan friesen
See, now here is where I think as much of a shithead as Michael Rotondo is and the fact that he stalked a woman is unforgivable and he's not an empathetic figure.
jordan holmes
He's still not an idiot.
dan friesen
Because he has some sort of presence on the spectrum and has some sort of inability to understand the social cues.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
He is a good way to be a portal into things Alex said off air that he doesn't realize he's not supposed to say back on air.
So I think that was one of them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm pushing an ideology here.
This isn't really about the truth.
jordan holmes
It's not a production.
It's an ideology.
dan friesen
It's not about an operation.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
I just push out my ideology.
dan friesen
Alex would totally be fine if you called him on it.
He's like, yes, that ideology is 1776, we're born, or whatever.
But the way Rotondo is saying that is clearly like, that's the way you phrased it, Alex.
Like, we are ideological.
Which to me, I mean, like, that's a problem.
It means that the things that you say probably...
Come through a filter.
Anyway, here's where things turn.
And I'm going to say that a couple times.
But here's where one of the big turns comes.
And I think it's Alex trying to be like, I can save you.
alex jones
Michael, here's the thing.
You came off as autistic on television.
michael rotondo
Okay.
alex jones
And you were telling me that in court, when they took your son away from you, not for anything bad you did, they were saying that you were basically...
Incompetent?
michael rotondo
Yeah, that's how you described it before.
dan friesen
Rude.
alex jones
But you were saying that's what they said?
michael rotondo
That's a very reasonable characterization of what happened.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Do you mean they said that?
alex jones
I don't think you're incompetent.
And I've seen people like you that if they're given a chance to actually go out and have a mission and build on that, then the confidence of having their own apartment, their own car, then their own house, their own thing.
Is infectious, and then they turn into a whole other person.
Instead, there's a lot of people like you who don't just stay in their parents' house.
They get recruited by the globalists.
They get filled with a hateful ideology.
They turn against us.
And then they unthinkingly beaver away to attacking.
Because you're a smart guy.
You said a ton of witty stuff live on air today.
dan friesen
He didn't.
michael rotondo
Yeah?
unidentified
Thanks.
dan friesen
He did not.
Alex was miserable having him on air.
This was amazing.
This...
jordan holmes
So here's Alex's prescription.
Get out of your parents' house, get a job, become a completely different person.
dan friesen
Yes, absolutely.
The rites of passage.
jordan holmes
All of the stuff you are, stop being that person.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
What this is, everybody else is describing as a pile of shit.
dan friesen
This is bad.
jordan holmes
This, you, what I'm seeing here, everybody is...
I'm not saying that you're incompetent.
Everybody else did, and the judge did.
So, legally.
dan friesen
I would say that what makes this funny is Alex, but what makes it not funny is the reality that, like, succeed or fail, Alex is hurting this guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
You know, like, whether he gets a house or not, it's like you're not dealing with the underlying issue that he has a mental illness.
He needs to be...
He needs help.
jordan holmes
It takes a village to raise a 30-year-old, but as long as that village does not have Alex anywhere near it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's fucked up.
dan friesen
I'm being told from the chat room by Garbage Dick that this is very reminiscent of Jordan Peterson-style advice.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Saving white males and what have you.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
I've not engaged too much with Peterson, so I don't know a lot of his particular quirks.
He's a piece of shit.
That does sound right from what I've heard.
Now, Jordan, on the last episode, we learned that Mike Rotondo, I'm calling him Mike because we're buddies now.
This is the second episode we've heard about him.
I feel like we're close.
We learned that he's running a business.
Yes.
unidentified
We never knew.
jordan holmes
We saw that he had a business.
dan friesen
We don't know what that business is.
jordan holmes
His other business was law.
dan friesen
Law, certainly.
We don't know what that business is.
He never made it clear.
And luckily on this episode, we find out.
alex jones
So what do you want to do with your life?
unidentified
Uh...
michael rotondo
Well, I kind of want to run my business.
unidentified
And what is your business?
michael rotondo
I don't want to connect the two things.
I don't want to bring...
alex jones
But see, if you're on air with somebody, you don't have to get into your specifics.
michael rotondo
Yeah.
I don't have the infrastructure to support the kind of thing that...
If I mention it on air, I describe it on air.
alex jones
So then you have to build another company that is in reality to then take the money to do the experimental thing.
You can't always go to the...
dan friesen
Can I be clear?
I didn't cut there.
That is a sentence that he said.
That doesn't make any sense.
jordan holmes
I think what he's trying to say is, if this is your passion project, then you've got to make another business to pay for this passion project.
I think that's what he's saying.
dan friesen
If that's what he's trying to say, I get it, but he's not saying that well.
jordan holmes
No, he's not doing that well.
dan friesen
So anyway, let's see where this goes.
alex jones
You can't go to a 12th grade in the first grade.
michael rotondo
That's why I don't want to mention it.
That's what I want to talk about.
alex jones
Well, no, but you kind of hinted at it.
It's like legal advice?
michael rotondo
No.
alex jones
We were saying you're like working on legal stuff?
michael rotondo
It's my own legal stuff.
It takes hours.
alex jones
But listen, here's the thing.
You have to say what your ideas are.
Nobody's trying to steal them.
I'm trying to understand this.
What is the...
Just go past the fear.
Go past the never getting here.
What is the thing?
What is the business?
Just in a generality.
michael rotondo
Tech.
Information technology.
alex jones
Okay.
And there are a lot of guys like you who aren't stupid but are kind of quirky who have tech ideas.
So, I mean, in general, what's a tech idea?
michael rotondo
It's not really an idea.
It's just an ideology.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
And so, what is the ideology?
michael rotondo
That the stuff that you get from me works.
alex jones
Oh, really?
michael rotondo
Yep.
alex jones
So, like apps?
I mean, what is it?
michael rotondo
Whatever it is that I offer.
If you come to me and I can offer it to you.
We go through with it, it'll work.
alex jones
I know, but sometimes you have to work with the tools you've got.
dan friesen
This is a bad business model.
This is bad.
This isn't the business.
jordan holmes
He doesn't want to say what the business is.
dan friesen
No, no.
Maybe.
But I think he's been worn down enough to be like, there's nothing.
Whatever it is I'm doing, I'll do it well.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'll help you with technology, and I'll do it well.
I think that's what he's saying.
Because the IT stuff is like, I'll fix stuff, I'll fix your machines and your tech issues, but I'll do this.
I don't know.
But whatever it is, if I were on Shark Tank, I'd be like, bro, go.
I'm not buying in.
Based on that, what are you going to do?
jordan holmes
That's not a solid pitch.
dan friesen
You're Mark Cuban.
jordan holmes
That's not a solid pitch.
dan friesen
You're Mark Cuban.
You hear that.
It's not so much an IT thing, it's an ideology.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
If you get it from me, it's going to work.
jordan holmes
Right.
What do you say?
You, sir, are dead on.
I want you to run my department of dreams and wishes.
dan friesen
What's your five-year plan, bro?
jordan holmes
To give people what they want.
dan friesen
Wait, now I'm asking Mark Cuban what his five-year plan is.
This is no good.
So, Alex, at this point, gets into a metaphor that he's misusing.
alex jones
That's what I'm telling you, is you've got to...
You've got to play with the cards you're dealt, man.
And if you win at the lower cards, then you get the bigger cards.
You don't go here automatically.
dan friesen
That's not what that metaphor means.
So in poker, the expression, you have to play with the cards you're dealt.
Means that you have to accept the situation in front of you as it is.
So if you've dealt like a 2-6 or something like that, that's a shitty hand.
You can't build much off that.
Unless you get super lucky and three sixes pop out on the board.
Then you've got the best hand ever, but you can't control that.
So what you do is you play with the cards you're dealt.
And you decide, am I going to sit this one out and wait for a better opportunity?
Or are you going to bluff it and pretend that you have...
Pocket aces.
You know what I'm saying?
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
That's what the metaphor means.
That's what that aphorism means.
It's not like, you gotta play with bad cards, then do well, and you'll get aces.
That's not what it means!
That's a lunatic!
jordan holmes
No!
No!
He's framing poker as the classic American dream.
It's about pulling yourself up by your bootstraps.
Everybody knows that when you go to a casino, if they see that you've got bad cards and you win, they're like, hold on, we've got to get you out of here.
We've got to get you into the part of the casino where you get the good cards.
Everybody gets aces over here.
dan friesen
I know that kings and aces and queens, they're all gated behind experience barriers.
jordan holmes
You have to earn the right to an ace.
dan friesen
It's ridiculous.
I know that's a little tiny thing, but like...
jordan holmes
No, if you can't understand or use a fucking metaphor, stop using them!
dan friesen
No, I understand.
This is the thing that blows my mind.
Most of this episode is largely going to be us listening to Mike Rotondo and being confused, not understanding what Alex is trying to sit down on the table.
And it's fun to be like...
Now, hold on.
There's a bunch of times when Alex is in the wrong, too.
He might not understand him because Alex is talking shit.
jordan holmes
He's insane!
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, oh boy.
Here's where everything turns.
alex jones
In life, you've got to choose basic steps.
Sure.
And then you've got to try those steps.
And if you fail, it doesn't matter because you're going to learn in the process.
And just because you meet bad people along the way doesn't mean everybody's bad.
michael rotondo
Right.
The bad people...
alex jones
That's how racism happens.
Like, if you're a black person, you run into some racist white people, you think your whole life everybody who's white is racist.
Or if you're somebody like me, I grew up in Dallas, so I had black friends when I was young that were nice.
Then I ran into black racists that attacked me.
I didn't blame all black people.
Because I thought it was just people.
Good people, bad people.
But see, other people, if they don't have enough experiences, if they don't have the good experience versus the bad experience, they don't understand there's different things out there.
michael rotondo
You know what I've encountered?
I've encountered black people who...
We will not discuss racism because we do not believe that people who are not black can understand it.
And it's fine if people who aren't black can't understand it.
But I think that not sharing it is the wrong approach.
And that's what I've encountered.
I've asked African-American people.
alex jones
That's true, too.
But listen, the thing is real, but it's projected.
We have the government documents to make it worse.
It's amplified.
To divert everybody from everything else that's happening.
michael rotondo
In like the media or just...
alex jones
5G is going to kill a billion people in the next 20 years from cancer.
Now tell me how the goddamn racism is important.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Wow.
alex jones
What?
unidentified
Wow Mmm This is ostensibly a supportive conversation with Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
I don't...
Because we have listened to Alex Jones for the past year and a half, I understand what he's saying and where it fits in with his brain.
If I did not, if I had no context for this...
dan friesen
This kid barely knows what Brexit is.
jordan holmes
I know.
This guy is a madman.
This is a fucking madman.
Shout it.
Also, and even then, like, if you were around white races all the time, you'd think all white people are racist.
And if you were around black races, I had black friends, I had white friends, and then I met black races, and I didn't think all black people were better.
Which means, by extension, I am better than everybody else who thinks about white racists.
dan friesen
And I can't possibly be one of them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So then also...
jordan holmes
God, what a...
Fucking idiot.
That's some shit that he's convinced himself.
unidentified
Oh, undoubtedly.
jordan holmes
That is some shit that he really believes is true, even though it doesn't make a goddamn bit of sense.
dan friesen
No.
And so I looked into the...
I wanted to...
I don't understand exactly where there's billions of people who are going to be killed by 5G.
jordan holmes
Three billion.
And that's why racism isn't important.
dan friesen
So, there's a couple of things that I found that were particularly interesting to me.
And one of them is that whenever he talks about this story, he mentions an article, or he flashes up on the screen, an article from Wired Magazine.
And the headline from this Wired Magazine article, that they always flash up, and he never reads, and they never go over much, is, in big, bold letters, 5G smartphones cause cancer.
Big wireless doesn't want you to know.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
Now, if you read down the actual article, it starts, quote, I've been waiting and waiting for this particular form of popular fear to surface again.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
Okay.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
So we're already done.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Already done.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
From the first sentence of the article that he flashes up as proof.
jordan holmes
Everybody who thinks this is fucking stupid.
dan friesen
Well, it's just like, we've seen this before.
It happens every time.
jordan holmes
It happens every time.
dan friesen
There's technological advances.
jordan holmes
We've got our first one.
Let's put a little mark on the board.
dan friesen
So then there's another, there's a study that was written up in the LA Times about a slight increase in cancers in rats.
They're exposed to 5G radiation, and it's a very slight increase.
Sure.
And what I would take away from this article is this, quote, I don't think it's clear that there are health risks, but it's also not clear that there are no health risks, says Lika Kiefitz, an epidemiology professor at UCLA's Fielding School on Public Health who has studied the health effects of cell phone use.
So, I don't...
jordan holmes
Noted expert says...
Shrug, maybe?
Right.
dan friesen
So who cares about racism?
unidentified
Could be?
jordan holmes
Could not be?
dan friesen
Who cares about racism?
jordan holmes
So let's not worry about racism.
alex jones
Who cares about the goddamn racism?
jordan holmes
Well, it could be cancer.
dan friesen
Right.
Or it could not be.
There might be slight...
jordan holmes
There could be other variables.
dan friesen
There might be slight increases in cancer, but if you're...
Alex, barbecues.
Get rid of them.
Get rid of every barbecue in America.
Because they...
jordan holmes
How dare you?
dan friesen
They're carcinogenic.
jordan holmes
How...
How dare you?
dan friesen
Burning charcoal briquettes is carcinogenic.
Regulate on that level if you want.
jordan holmes
Bring the coal bag jobs.
dan friesen
You don't understand what is really at stake.
Not at stake, but the advantages that could be had with...
jordan holmes
Not at a barbecue.
dan friesen
Strip steak.
You don't understand what's at strip steak with 5G.
Because it's not just things getting much faster and the Wi-Fi speeds increasing and what have you.
Right.
Processing speeds would go up, too.
And the ability to do all these things that are impossible to do now with battery lives and shit like that.
It wouldn't strain your devices so heavily.
There's all kinds of applications for the ability to work anywhere and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
And that's why you shouldn't worry about climate change.
Because it's already given you cancer.
dan friesen
And that's even with my small-minded approach to it.
I don't even understand all of the applications.
But the few that I can come up with are super exciting.
And, uh, I don't know.
Maybe there are studies that show a slight increase in cancers and rats.
jordan holmes
I'm fine with that.
dan friesen
I think that they also need to do more studies.
jordan holmes
I'm fine with that.
dan friesen
Get definitive on it.
unidentified
Nah.
dan friesen
Anyway, um, now at this point.
jordan holmes
Somebody did a study that said maybe or maybe not good enough for me.
Cancel the whole thing.
dan friesen
Well, Alex is just, I mean, like, what we're at.
jordan holmes
Put the kibosh on it, Dan.
dan friesen
What we're at, right.
jordan holmes
Let's get back to focusing on racism, all right?
We can't have 5G until we fix racism, Dan.
unidentified
Well.
dan friesen
Alex just would love any excuse not to work on racism.
jordan holmes
Well, that's because he's...
He's not racist.
He's had experiences on both sides, so he's better than everybody else who believes in racism.
dan friesen
So, at this point, Alex tries to scare Mike a little bit.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
It's really funny, because Mike isn't that worried about 5G.
alex jones
5G's gonna kill a billion people, it's estimated.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
Cool.
alex jones
Does it matter what color your skin is?
It's not that the race crap isn't going on.
It's in the WikiLeaks that they project all the race stuff because that's how we're designed.
We see each other and what color we are.
We don't see radiation blasting through things, man.
But the globalists do.
Do you understand?
michael rotondo
Right.
alex jones
Do you understand there is a scientific consciousness that is completely cold-blooded beyond anything you can imagine that is preying on you?
And so as a man, you need to gut up and learn what that is and take the threat that's there and stop thinking by protecting yourself in a bubble and being real slow about everything.
You're going to do anything.
You're not.
You're dying.
michael rotondo
Personally, I think that the racism is more important than the...
Because if we die sooner from cancer, does it matter that we led good lives without hatred?
alex jones
This is the scrambled spiritualism I'm talking about.
dan friesen
This is the scrambled spiritual...
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
Lived good lives.
Whatever.
dan friesen
Right.
You were good to other people.
You aspired for a humanistic existence.
jordan holmes
This has such the ring of, like, Alex...
Saw his son in the bathroom one time and he's like, oh my god, I think my son might be gay.
So he's taking it all out on this kid right here.
dan friesen
There's some of it.
jordan holmes
This is such a...
I don't know if he's going to be gay.
I don't know if he's gay.
I don't know what I'm going to do.
dan friesen
Hold on to those thoughts for a little bit.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Because gayness does come up.
jordan holmes
Of course it does.
Of course it does.
dan friesen
But I want to say that clip right there gives a little bit of a...
Amuse-bouche of things to come.
Just a little taste of, like, some of the stuff that Alex is going to try and drop on him.
Because he's not buying into this.
No!
Of course not!
He probably does want a job, but he doesn't understand Alex's worldview, and he's like, yeah, I don't know.
I don't know, but I don't think that's all that...
And later, I believe he even says, like, I don't think it's going to kill people.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't believe that.
jordan holmes
Alex is really getting mad because it's like, can't you see I'm trying to be your dad?
dan friesen
And Alex has already established that, like, either I'm going to save you or the globalists are going to get you.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
Stakes are high.
Stakes are high.
dan friesen
If Alex doesn't succeed, then the globalists win in Alex's mind.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So, boy, here's a...
jordan holmes
This is the worst Scientology auditing session that they have ever done.
Like L. Ron Hubbard is sitting there like, how do we crack this kid?
dan friesen
Now hear me out on this.
It's a damn good thing that racism is important.
jordan holmes
It's not a big deal.
dan friesen
It's not a big deal, and thank God, because otherwise this clip would suck.
alex jones
Do you understand that they're killing millions of Buddhists every year and Christians on their organs?
dan friesen
He's talking about the Chinese.
michael rotondo
I did not know that.
alex jones
But see, there's not this psychological fun, because it's Asians killing Asians.
So it's not as sexy as Oprah Winfrey and Roots.
michael rotondo
Okay.
alex jones
Some dumbass black guy going, bull, beating black people.
Do you understand that industrial-level human cloning is going on?
michael rotondo
I did not understand that.
alex jones
Oh, it's admitted.
unidentified
Oh, boy!
dan friesen
Asians killing Asians is not sexy like Oprah Winfrey being in Roots, which features a dumb black guy with a bullwhip.
Also, did you know that there's industrial-scale human cloning?
jordan holmes
That.
What brilliant mind could come up with three so...
Unbelievably disconnected things.
And somehow weave them together in a basket of bullshit.
dan friesen
He has a pretty spectacular skill that is unusable in any other context.
jordan holmes
No, none.
None.
dan friesen
It's amazing.
jordan holmes
If Alex didn't do this, what would he do?
Poetry readings?
dan friesen
I don't know.
Get kicked out of his parents' house at 30?
jordan holmes
That might be it!
That might be it!
dan friesen
No shit.
jordan holmes
That might be it!
dan friesen
No shit.
I didn't want to make it too clear, but I accidentally just did.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
I fucked up.
jordan holmes
Come on, man.
dan friesen
Oh, well.
jordan holmes
You'd never make the subtext text, God damn it, Dan.
dan friesen
I blew our own game.
So in this next clip, we get back talking, still in the same conversation, a little bit more about 5G.
michael rotondo
Could I have some more water, Marie?
alex jones
Yeah, we'll get you some water.
We'll get you some water.
Let's go to the shot of her.
I'm not belittling...
Let's go to the watch.
Here, brother.
I'm not belittling anybody's problems.
But if 5G is killing us, we should ban it.
Instead of saying, what does it matter if we've had good lives?
Or is 5G like a new life form to you?
A new thing?
You act like it was a girl.
Like it's a friend.
Like 5G is already massively increasing brain tumors and already killing people in every lab study.
So wait, wait, wait.
If it kills us, it doesn't matter as long as we're loving.
michael rotondo
I don't...
You could say...
I would...
Yeah, that's kind of what I'm saying, but it's a little...
alex jones
No, no, I understand what you're saying.
It's very ethereal.
Just something neutral that kills us doesn't matter.
But the human passion of people disliking each other for what color they are, that's paramount.
michael rotondo
I don't think it's going to kill us as...
I don't think we need it either, the 5G, because realistically, the infrastructure that we have available to us...
alex jones
Okay, well, they're putting it in ubiquitously.
Let me ask you this.
What do you eat in a day?
dan friesen
Okay, all right.
Interesting.
jordan holmes
Good change.
dan friesen
Interesting.
jordan holmes
Good change.
Hard right turn.
dan friesen
This guy, Mike, is in there, and he's like, I don't think it's going to kill us.
jordan holmes
What do you eat?
dan friesen
Honestly, I don't think it's going to...
jordan holmes
But what do you eat?
dan friesen
Would you believe...
jordan holmes
What are you eating, Dan?
dan friesen
Would you believe that that question is really not so much about finding out what he eats?
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
Also, hold on, real quick.
By the way...
If 5G is killing us, then we should ban it.
dan friesen
Cigarettes, guns, alcohol, cars.
jordan holmes
What else you got?
dan friesen
Cars aren't killing us, necessarily, but cigarettes certainly are.
unidentified
Oil.
dan friesen
Alcohol.
Oil.
jordan holmes
Fracking.
dan friesen
Fracking.
jordan holmes
All of the fucking everything they're doing in Flint.
dan friesen
Lightning!
jordan holmes
Chemicals.
Putting them in the water.
dan friesen
Oh, sure.
We should regulate businesses.
jordan holmes
The EPA, they're doing fuck all right now.
Right.
So, if Alex believes that if blank is killing us, then blank.
dan friesen
No, that's a fundamental problem of his philosophy because it's a counterexample to everything.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
If the standard to ban something is that it kills people...
I mean, he would probably make the argument that this is going to kill everybody.
jordan holmes
Sure.
So climate change?
dan friesen
With cigarettes, you have a choice whether or not to engage with them.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Whereas with this, it's just going to be in the air.
And again, there's climate change.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Also, there is just air pollution.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
You know, standards that should be in place in terms of breathable air.
jordan holmes
Businesses putting things in the water.
dan friesen
Right.
So again, it all does come down to...
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex is accidentally arguing for regulation.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
But here's what he wants to know about.
jordan holmes
No, he's not accidentally arguing for regulation.
He is for regulation so long as it isn't real or get in his way.
dan friesen
That's true.
And, yeah.
It doesn't help.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and it doesn't help anybody else.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But he doesn't really care about Mike's diet.
I regret to inform you.
jordan holmes
Oh.
alex jones
What do you eat?
michael rotondo
I eat a lot of beef.
unidentified
Gay.
michael rotondo
I like beef.
alex jones
Take vitamins?
michael rotondo
I don't.
I try to eat vegetables.
And I do.
alex jones
Well, you don't look unhealthy.
I do a lot of unhealthy things.
I'm going to give you some things.
There's also a plug here.
I'm going to give you...
jordan holmes
Is it?
Is it also a plug?
alex jones
Which I had them set out for the body and mind.
Formula, the strongest endocrine type booster that we can come up with safely.
So I want you to man up here.
michael rotondo
Without a prescription.
Safety without a prescription.
alex jones
We're not going to call it a drug.
We're not calling it a drug.
I guess this is Mother Nature.
I'm going to give you two bottles of Alva Power.
InfoWarsStore.com.
Go ahead and take them.
michael rotondo
Thank you.
alex jones
They couldn't find a new bottle around here.
This is one I was taking in my office.
I'm only taking a few doses.
This is X2.
This is Deep Earth Crystal Ionine.
The good halogen.
dan friesen
So, he gives him a half-used bottle of X2 because they couldn't find any more around the office.
X2, it's one of those that's liquid that comes with a dropper, and Alex has, on many occasions on his show, just dropped it into his mouth, so we know that's kind of his behavior.
He's given this dude a bottle of X2 that he's been using.
He's probably licked that goddamn thing.
Crazy.
jordan holmes
This is gross.
dan friesen
It's real gross.
jordan holmes
This is really gross.
This is gross on so many...
There's so many gross things happening right now.
There are philosophically gross things.
There are emotionally gross things.
Now there are physically gross things.
dan friesen
I think that's the last physically gross thing.
Although, accidentally, Alex admits something that he's denied a whole bunch in the past.
alex jones
And I'm serious.
I want to have you back on after you've taken these.
I want your real response.
I saw some reviewer stuff.
They said, his super male didn't grow my hair back.
We don't say it does that.
In fact, it might make it fall out.
So anyways, that's what testosterone does, I tell you.
unidentified
*деньгиさもいろんな cream and butter work i like that*
dan friesen
Might make your hair fall out.
But did you catch what he said there at the end?
That's what testosterone does.
He's basically admitting this is a testosterone.
Or, at very least, is something that's synthetically designed in order to make you release more testosterone, which is the same fucking thing as it being a testosterone supplement.
jordan holmes
That's great.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That is great.
dan friesen
So he's plugging his products.
jordan holmes
He's not doing a good job of it.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Hey, you want to be bald?
alex jones
Hey, it didn't grow my hair back.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, of course it didn't.
We don't say it does.
alex jones
Also, it probably made it fall out more.
I don't know.
dan friesen
How's your newly small dick going, too?
How them balls.
So he's getting his supplement push in, in the form of, like, this will help you.
But then he...
Boy, I'll tell you what.
I don't know if it's right or wrong, but he treats this dude like a child, and the natural conclusion of that is he has to assign him a book report.
alex jones
Okay.
The Killing of Uncle Sam.
This is one of the best history books currently written that is working with some top guys from the CIA and Pastor Rodney Howard Brown.
jordan holmes
So you know it's good?
alex jones
That you're going to read to understand how the world really works.
This is ultra accurate.
michael rotondo
Okay.
alex jones
So we sell it at InfoWordStore.com, but I want to challenge you.
Will you read this book and come on and tell me what you thought?
michael rotondo
How long do I have to read it?
alex jones
Well, it's not YouTube.
It's not the Internet.
It doesn't flicker beautifully.
michael rotondo
You've got to actually turn the pages yourself.
alex jones
But if you do it by candlelight, it could have that effect.
I'm asking you, will you read this book?
michael rotondo
I will read it if you give me enough time to read it.
alex jones
Well, how long does that take?
michael rotondo
How many pages is it?
alex jones
I mean, I read it in about a week and a half, only reading like 20 minutes a night.
It's like, you know, 300, 400 pages.
michael rotondo
In three weeks?
alex jones
Absolutely.
We'll have you back on the show.
All right.
dan friesen
All right.
Now, I want to say, I know that this is already way too late in terms of our discussion in our episode.
I am going to allow a possibility that this is all trolling.
You know what I'm saying?
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
This is a guy doing a character or something like that.
He got some actors to play his parents and sue him or something.
I don't know.
I don't know how it would work and how they'd trick the courts and how there would be an eight-year-old stalking conviction.
But, like, I'm allowing some possibility that this guy is just deep fucking Alex.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Just fucking with him so hard.
Because the way he is, like, eh, how long do I have to read it?
jordan holmes
That's brilliant comedic timing, or it is somebody who is on the spectrum in some way.
dan friesen
It's one of the two, and we don't want to deal with the reality, probably, that he is a man in deep, deep pain.
jordan holmes
But that, oh, the timing on that.
dan friesen
Gorgeous.
jordan holmes
Will you come back and...
How long do I have to read it?
dan friesen
All of it?
jordan holmes
It's deflated.
dan friesen
So I want to tell you about this guy who wrote this book, Rodney Howard Brown.
jordan holmes
Rodney Howard Brown, the priest.
dan friesen
Wrote the killing of Uncle Sam.
This guy.
Oh, man.
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
He's a mess.
jordan holmes
He's a hero.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
He is not the hero of this story.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
He's the third guy who is not one of the heroes.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
So he has a doctorate in ministry from a correspondence school called the School of Bible Theology.
jordan holmes
Correspondence school.
Religious correspondence school.
dan friesen
School is a diploma mill.
You just pay for a degree and get a piece of paper.
Rodney and his wife Adonica were top-level ranked distributors for an acai berry juice multi-level marketing scam called Manavi until they went belly up in 2014.
He was so involved in Manavi...
That he was named in a lawsuit against the company for fraudulently claiming their products contained a proprietary fatty acid called Seladrin.
Manavi got sued by Oprah and Dr. Oz for fraudulently claiming that they endorsed their acai products.
They got sued a whole bunch, then ended up going out of business in 2014 when they defaulted on a $182 million loan note that was to secure their assets, which is pretty much how most pyramid schemes and multi-level marketing scams go back.
belly up.
Everyone down on the ground floor gets nothing.
Everyone at the top has already secured whatever they've stolen somewhere else in a Swiss bank account or some shit.
So that's what happens here.
He was a top level distributor, probably using his religious flocks to help move some of his acai berries.
So, in June, I'm sorry, in July 2017...
Rodney was one of the preachers who visited the White House to pray and lay hands on Trump.
jordan holmes
What did you just say?
dan friesen
This guy, he got really crazy about this.
Like, he went nuts.
jordan holmes
Wait, what did you just say?
dan friesen
He went and prayed on Trump.
Remember that picture that came out?
There's a bunch of ministers laying hands on him?
jordan holmes
Yeah, but how did we go from the acai multi-level marketing scam to there?
dan friesen
Because it's all related.
jordan holmes
How did we get from one debate?
dan friesen
People who are involved in one con aren't involved in just one.
It's the same thing with, like, Alex Jones has his political con, and then he's got his deep-earth iodine con.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So he prayed over Trump.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And then I watched this video.
I watched the video of him talking about it.
He got really nuts.
Quote, there is a planned attack on our president, and that's all I can tell you about right now.
I know what I'm talking about.
I've spoken to high-ranking people in the government, and this is being planned by people that hate God, hate America, hate our president, and we have to stop this in Jesus' name.
Some of you might not understand.
Some of you might not understand that.
You might think we're crazy, but I'll tell you, if you knew what I knew, then you'd understand the urgency of the hour.
There's a fight for the soul of the republic, and God had raised President Donald Trump to be the trumpet that's going to sound in this hour.
That sounds like Alex.
Sounds exactly like Alex.
jordan holmes
Now.
dan friesen
This guy is Reverend Alex.
jordan holmes
I am a very tolerant man.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
People have widely discussed my ability to deal with things that I find abhorrent.
But were we to cement some sort of actual democratic republic in the United States sometime in the future?
Perhaps it will happen.
Has not happened yet.
Before we do that, like right before, can we behead people like this, dude?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Like right before, like after the revolution, we're about to set up the government, we take a break.
We take like a six-month, let's clear the queue break.
unidentified
Let's just get everybody along, get a big line.
dan friesen
I can't believe you're...
jordan holmes
Like these aren't involved.
You know, just a long line of white people.
Just a long line of white people.
dan friesen
I can't believe you're here now.
All we know so far is that he's involved with an...
He prayed with Trump.
jordan holmes
Done.
dan friesen
He's lying about some sort of a conspiracy against Trump.
jordan holmes
Three for three.
dan friesen
Okay, so anyway, also...
jordan holmes
The cue is going to be a long one, Dan.
dan friesen
He also believes in blood libel and Pizzagate.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
From a sermon that he delivered on October 15th, 2017.
jordan holmes
Shouldn't be allowed to talk about pizza during sermons.
dan friesen
Quote, they sacrifice children at the highest levels in Hollywood.
They drink blood of young kids.
This is a fact.
You remember when all the spirit cooking thing came out?
That's commonplace, ladies and gentlemen.
Most of the Hollywood actors you go see on screen, what you don't know, they bring a witch.
unidentified
They get a witch.
jordan holmes
Personal witch?
unidentified
Or communal witch?
dan friesen
Family style witch.
They get a witch!
jordan holmes
An old country buffet style witch.
dan friesen
They get a witch!
They do a big seance right there on set and then they worship devils.
And they allow devils to come into them before they take the part of what they're going to act.
It's a fact.
It's a fact.
jordan holmes
He just doesn't understand acting?
unidentified
That's it?
dan friesen
It's a fact.
It's a fact what I'm telling you.
That's a quote.
Now, I'm reading this and it's hilarious, but what I should tell you is I watched the sermon.
This is from a sermon.
He's walking around in front of a congregation.
Now, granted, it's like, you know, some sort of nouveau megachurch type setting.
jordan holmes
Why?
That many people?
dan friesen
It's more than you'd want.
But it's not giant.
It's not like Creflo Dollar or Joel Osteen.
It's not that big.
jordan holmes
Oh, he's in the queue too.
dan friesen
It's big.
It's big.
But it's crazy that this is being said in the context of a Sunday sermon.
It makes me very uncomfortable.
I hate this rhetoric wherever it exists.
The idea that my enemies drink children's blood.
That's fucking absurd.
I hate hearing it.
But man.
It's jarring to see it in a church.
It's fucked up.
jordan holmes
It's not great.
dan friesen
It's really a place where that shit should not be happening.
jordan holmes
I mean, the thing is, that's nothing to me.
Like, when my family...
When I was coming up...
dan friesen
But you were in a cult.
jordan holmes
When I was coming up, man, my family went...
No, this is after the cult.
This is after my family left the cult.
dan friesen
But you're in a family that was in a cult.
jordan holmes
And they were all about...
They kept trying to find their cult.
dan friesen
You're going to gravitate towards other fucked up places.
jordan holmes
They kept going to...
They went to so many basement churches with the chairs that are made of...
unidentified
I've been to a few of those, too.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
unidentified
But I never heard anything like they drink children's blood.
jordan holmes
Weird shit.
dan friesen
So anyway, let me get through the rest of this about Howard Brown...
Or Rodney Brown.
jordan holmes
You know Alex's weird paranoid fantasies where he's like, they take you down to the basement.
They cover you.
That was what I was raised on.
dan friesen
That's your church.
jordan holmes
Six years old, I got a main line of that kind of shit.
dan friesen
It makes sense why you can put up with the show now.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So Rodney Howard-Brown has also been an InfoWars guest.
He was on on March 19th, 2018, and when he was on, he described his and Trump's enemies as, quote, globalist gremlins.
So he's on board.
jordan holmes
I like the alliteration.
dan friesen
He's on board.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
Also, side note.
jordan holmes
That's got some dirty dossier to it right there.
Globalist gremlins?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Rodney is from South Africa.
jordan holmes
White.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah, white.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, white.
dan friesen
He moved to America in 1987.
jordan holmes
No, that's not the time to be a white person running away from South Africa without me thinking you're a white person running away from South Africa.
dan friesen
It's probably a coincidence, seeing as around 1986...
jordan holmes
Oh, I can't be as racist as I used to be here!
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, you know...
jordan holmes
I'll go back to America where it's better.
dan friesen
You know, in 1986, 1987, the ANC was committing, I believe it's something to the tune of, like, it's 200, 400, 200 to 400, it's a lot.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
A lot.
Anti-apartheid attacks in those two years.
There's massive global support growing for the free Nelson Mandela movement.
Anti-apartheid is taking over in terms of the country.
It's becoming clear in around 87, a little bit later, too, that it's not going to work for these white people.
And apartheid was on its way out.
The idea that this guy...
Who's clearly a con man, based on his acai and religion-related behaviors, was a preacher in South Africa who left in 1987 with his family to flee to America.
Makes me think that he was...
jordan holmes
I can't see any reason.
dan friesen
Makes me think he was up to some shit.
jordan holmes
The timeline doesn't match up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You keep doing that.
jordan holmes
I don't believe in time.
dan friesen
Yeah, apparently.
Oh, hold on to that.
jordan holmes
Alex doesn't either.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't either.
michael rotondo
Okay.
dan friesen
So that's one of the books that Alex wants him to read.
Here's the other one.
michael rotondo
Do I have to read that one too?
alex jones
It's not got to.
michael rotondo
In the three weeks?
alex jones
It's get to.
No, no, no.
unidentified
This book, I saw a book.
alex jones
This is a very important book.
michael rotondo
I don't want to come back and not have done my homework.
jordan holmes
You're not coming back.
alex jones
Let's do three weeks.
You come on about this book?
michael rotondo
Yeah.
alex jones
Uncle Sam.
And then, you heard of this guy, Roger Stone?
michael rotondo
The name's familiar.
dan friesen
Oh boy.
He doesn't know who Roger Stone is.
Alex, at that moment, is personally offended.
You don't know who Roger Stone is?
You don't know?
I've thrown my life away for this guy, and you don't even know who he is?
You son of a bitch.
So Alex has to explain who Roger Stone is.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And this explanation is not good.
michael rotondo
The name's familiar.
alex jones
Well, he's Trump's former wingman.
michael rotondo
Uh-huh.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Do you know who wingman is?
michael rotondo
Yeah.
alex jones
What's wingman?
michael rotondo
Kind of like, um, has your, has like a, like a tactical support type thing.
alex jones
Yeah, there's no Russians, there's just women.
michael rotondo
I would still describe it as a tactical support, but okay.
alex jones
Well, no, no.
Gay guys have beards.
Have you heard of that?
michael rotondo
No, I haven't.
alex jones
A lot of gay guys, they'll have a woman that they're married to that they're really gay.
michael rotondo
Oh, okay.
alex jones
Trump's not gay.
michael rotondo
Okay.
alex jones
But Roger Stone has been his wingman for 40-something years off and on.
What's a wingman?
michael rotondo
Well, you described it as having someone who helps you with women.
alex jones
That's right.
michael rotondo
Okay.
alex jones
So you might want to read what Donald Trump's wingman has to say.
michael rotondo
Okay.
alex jones
Now there's that for you right there.
unidentified
Whoa.
dan friesen
That was so uncomfortable.
Because that's like, hey, look, Donald Trump isn't gay.
What's a wingman?
Say it.
Say it.
Say he's not gay.
There is that tone that's like, say it, you son of a bitch.
unidentified
You say it, and you don't tell anyone what you saw here.
jordan holmes
Cornered in the locker room shower?
Is that what just happened right there?
dan friesen
It felt so dirty!
unidentified
It felt so dirty!
jordan holmes
What the fuck?
Does he not know he's broadcasting this?
dan friesen
You know what, though?
jordan holmes
Hey, hey, hey, hold on.
Roger, look.
Roger Stone is his wingman.
There wasn't anything to do with Russia.
He was just having extramarital affairs all the time that Roger gave him cover for.
Come on!
What's a wingman?
It's a guy who helps you cheat on your wife!
dan friesen
Alex has said that stuff before.
jordan holmes
Trump didn't do that.
dan friesen
He's said that stuff before, about him being his wingman.
There's only two ways you can really interpret that.
One is that Roger's a pimp.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or something like that.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's possible.
dan friesen
And that he's just...
jordan holmes
Oh, Roger's definitely a pimp.
No, he's a swinger.
No, we knew he was a pimp.
dan friesen
He's a swinger.
jordan holmes
Look at the way he dresses.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's got a cane.
Man's got a cane.
dan friesen
The other alternative is that he's cheating on his wife, and the way he gets around it is that the woman is like, she pretends to be with Roger, and then it makes sense why he's hanging out with Roger.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Or why he's hanging out with this woman.
But be that as it may, the way that...
jordan holmes
And it's also clear that Roger Stone explained to Alex what it meant because Alex keeps bringing up the beard analogy.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Which does not make sense.
dan friesen
No, it doesn't.
It's not a correlation at all.
jordan holmes
No, Roger's like, nah, nah, you know what a beard is.
You know, like that kind of thing.
dan friesen
Right.
Yeah.
The other thing that I need to really make clear is that when we started this...
There were two people in this room.
Not you and I. In that room.
One of them is a mentally ill person who stalked a lady and is on the show as a novelty.
The other guy wants to be his daddy.
And now, as we've gotten through it...
jordan holmes
I still have a hard time believing that this isn't a terrible SNL sketch.
unidentified
Hold on.
jordan holmes
This is a terrible long-form SNL sketch.
dan friesen
I need to make my point.
As we've gotten to this point now, I think that clip represents the point at which...
Who's crazy in this room shifts.
unidentified
Now, Michael Rotonda still needs help.
dan friesen
He still is a person who's in trouble.
But now, Alex is more crazy than him.
And it's going to continue for the rest of this.
jordan holmes
How is this still going on?
dan friesen
We're about halfway done.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
This is so tragic.
jordan holmes
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
We're more than halfway done.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ, man.
dan friesen
There's a lot here.
I will say this.
Don't get scared.
The last clip, I couldn't make a cut in it.
It's five minutes long.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ, Dan.
dan friesen
It's worth it.
jordan holmes
You're an insane person.
dan friesen
So in this next clip...
jordan holmes
I think we've seen the biggest shift.
dan friesen
In this next clip, Alex discusses more wingman stuff.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then he gets a little bit conflicted about whether or not he cares about Roger.
alex jones
Because, see, you want to get in that world where there's wingmen.
Can you imagine being part of that?
Don't you want to be a wingman?
jordan holmes
Don't you want to fuck?
michael rotondo
I would say that common interests can come and go as the concerns come and go.
But, I mean, you can have long-lasting...
Support from people who have common interests in you.
Sure, sure.
alex jones
I'm just frustrated that everybody thinks that Roger Stone knows stuff about Russians.
There's nothing.
Or that Roger Stone, they're trying to indict him for financial stuff that's made up.
Weird.
jordan holmes
I thought we were talking about everybody talking.
alex jones
Because they're so freaking stupid what Roger Stone is not just a political advisor to Trump, what he is.
I already knew this from other sources, and I went and looked.
The New York Times knew 30 years ago who Roger Stone was to Trump.
So I'm not giving out anything secret or any confidence.
I'm just saying, you might want to read.
The book should read Donald Trump's Wingman.
Then it would be a bestseller.
It doesn't really get into that, but it is how to win it.
Politics, business, and style.
But you'll probably buy it at Amazon because it's a dollar cheaper.
He gets $1.50 for every order you do of taxpayer money.
So screw yourself.
Go to Amazon and buy it.
I don't care where you buy because it supports Roger.
But, brother, here's the deal.
jordan holmes
Yes, please tell me what the deal is.
Please get to the deal.
I need to know what the fuck the deal is.
I have no idea what's going on here.
dan friesen
Trying to call me brother?
So yeah, I don't know, man.
I think that there's a little bit of weird, conflicted anger that Roger isn't selling the book exclusively on Infowars.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what the fuck?
dan friesen
I think he's pissed off about that.
And then also, I don't know about using the second person there.
He's clearly in a conversation with this guy who's sitting across the table from him.
unidentified
He's...
dan friesen
Giving him a copy of the book, and he's like, you're probably going to go buy it on Amazon because it's a dollar cheaper.
Go fuck yourself.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Like, what?
Why are you doing that?
jordan holmes
It's a simultaneous plug and love.
dan friesen
So Alex is like...
jordan holmes
Tough love, tough plug.
dan friesen
So Alex is like, hey brother, you know, here's the point.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And you want to know what the point is.
jordan holmes
I do want to know what the point is, because it seems like there's not one.
dan friesen
There's not much of a point.
jordan holmes
There's a point, but that point keeps kind of moving whenever he rejects.
Like, this dude is staying right here in the pocket, and Alex is trying to find a weakness.
Like, don't you want to fuck?
That'll turn you into a man.
unidentified
No?
jordan holmes
Don't you want a job?
That'll turn you into a man.
Money?
Money?
Huh?
You want money?
Nope.
alex jones
Okay.
dan friesen
We'll learn at the end of this that Mike has very clearly taken the job offer to heart.
And I think he thinks he's already an employee.
But here we go.
alex jones
What's your takeaway from the talk we've had?
michael rotondo
You and I share a lot of common ideology.
And personally, it's a unique thing to have the ideology that you and I both have.
alex jones
Well, quantify that ideology.
Define that ideology.
jordan holmes
He did not want to do that.
michael rotondo
Grassroots type goal.
unidentified
Grassroots...
michael rotondo
Things built on grassroots growth.
alex jones
Here's what you need to know.
jordan holmes
Yes, please.
Here is what I need to know.
dan friesen
Here is where everything turns.
Here is what you need to know is the sentence you fucking wish Alex Jones would say to you.
You never want to hear him say...
You never want to be a woman around him, that's one thing.
jordan holmes
No, never.
dan friesen
You never want to not be white around him.
Those are certainly caveats.
But you want to hear him say, this is what you need to know, because you know things are about to get fucked up.
And of course, they do.
alex jones
Here's what you need to know.
Your greatest accomplishment is the fact that your ancestors went through so many crises and threats and disease and war, and that you...
Are their genetic expression.
michael rotondo
Okay.
alex jones
So, you are your ancestors in that great space-time continuum.
The fact that you exist is an ultra-massive success in this universe.
michael rotondo
Whitely.
jordan holmes
The fact that you are white is the greatest thing that's ever happened to you.
Or it's the greatest thing you've ever done.
dan friesen
Do you know what the name of this clip is on my computer?
White breeding for generations has led to you.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
That is exactly what he's saying.
Exactly.
dan friesen
But now, the idea and the talk of the, like, you know, your ancestors are through you and stuff like that, that's not too new to us.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But trust me, he spells it out more here, and it's deeply disturbed.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Where I would imagine biological life, compared to the sum spectrum of the universe's measurements, is in the Googleplex.
Level sub-point calculation.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
So, the fact that you exist and are made in the image of God, a sentient being in the space-time continuum, makes you a super-creature in the entire vortex of this dimension.
michael rotondo
Of existence.
alex jones
Existence.
michael rotondo
Okay.
alex jones
So there's that.
dan friesen
There's that.
Hey, Alex, true of everybody.
That's literally true of everybody.
Except black people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there you go.
dan friesen
Non-white people, I guess.
michael rotondo
Non-whites.
dan friesen
But, I mean, I don't...
The way he's presenting it, that isn't...
I mean, he wouldn't say this to a black guy.
unidentified
No.
No.
This is pure...
dan friesen
Unless Kanye West came on.
jordan holmes
This is pure whiteness.
dan friesen
It does feel that way.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It feels very much...
Because of all the, like, breeding and the ancestry that he's calling back to and stuff like that.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
It really, really feels like that's a piece of this.
jordan holmes
This is definitely...
He was raised to believe that white people are chosen.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
He was raised to believe that white people are superior.
dan friesen
Which makes it so fucked up in some way that he's...
jordan holmes
That he's trying to raise a 30-year-old now to believe that white people are superior?
dan friesen
There's that.
That's definitely weird.
And that he's obsessed with false versions of eugenics.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And lying to people about eugenics.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, that's the problem.
They're lying to people about the real eugenics.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
So, um...
Look.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Here's what this is about.
dan friesen
Your greatest success is everything that's happened in the past that you had nothing to do with.
jordan holmes
That you had nothing to do with.
dan friesen
But also, there's more to it.
And this is a Mike Down clip.
I think this is one of the most profoundly fucked up things I've ever heard Alex Jones say.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And it goes on for a while.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Not just this clip, but I mean, like, what he's about to start talking about is, like, this is why we're talking about Mike Rotondo again.
It's because he says this shit.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Then...
There's the fact that you procreated, even though you ended up breaking up with your fiancé or whatever and ended up losing your son.
michael rotondo
We had a great relationship for a long time.
alex jones
I understand.
There's no judgment on you.
That's a real thing.
You went out.
You found a woman.
You had a child.
You were fertile.
You did that magic thing.
That's the second thing you did.
So you're part of the genetic and space-time electrochemical manifestation.
Genetic teleportation, time-traveling system, it's life.
dan friesen
What?
alex jones
It seems like a long time to us, but it's milliseconds and a long time.
michael rotondo
Like the universe and how it's all like...
alex jones
I mean, I'm all my ancestors.
The genetics of that before me is hyper-warping through time.
So this is just...
My ancestors and the energy all saw a big threat to us coming up to this point, so they built in momentum and then manifested what was needed in their energy and this time space to put me in.
michael rotondo
The cohesion of existence.
alex jones
Exactly.
To take us, all of us, next level.
So I'm a lot of people here.
You understand?
michael rotondo
We're all from each other.
alex jones
Exactly.
But, I mean, they're good people.
They're not aggressive and hateful, and I just got to take on some bad people.
It's like in my mother's womb, all of it was decided with the mitochondrial DNA and everything to weaponize for me to come out.
But everybody has it to a lesser or greater degree.
You have to decide to manifest that in your genetics, but it's sort of expressing your brain.
So it might not have been done in the womb, but you can do it later.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
What do you think about that?
jordan holmes
Okay, so if I understand correctly, what he is trying to get across here is that...
Pre-human existence.
The very concept of life.
Recognize that eventually a threat would come to life.
And so it...
Putting forth a plan of action that led to Alex Jones being born in the right time to defeat the threat against Earth.
dan friesen
The globalists.
jordan holmes
Against life.
dan friesen
You're thinking of this a little too...
jordan holmes
I think Alex Jones thinks he is Leeloo from The Fifth Element.
dan friesen
There's undoubtedly some sort of savior complex that he's discussing right now.
jordan holmes
That's gross.
dan friesen
This is Jesus level.
jordan holmes
This is gross.
dan friesen
I know.
This is weird.
No, no, no.
This is...
Severe mental illness.
Yeah.
When we talk about Mike Rotondo is...
He needs to be off the streets, probably needs to go to a hospital, but like...
jordan holmes
Alex Jones needs to remain in a hospital forever.
dan friesen
He needs to go to one of the hospitals from like the 50s.
He needs to go somewhere with padded walls, bro.
That idea that he's espousing there, that when I was in my mother's womb...
jordan holmes
Maybe he did.
Maybe he's a ghost.
Maybe this is an asylum story where he was killed in an 1800s mental asylum and now he's come back to home.
No.
Are we even sure that Mike Rotonda is there?
dan friesen
I don't know that I'm alive.
jordan holmes
There we go.
I know that my ancestors are pissed off about it because I was supposed to do all kinds of shit.
I was white.
dan friesen
They're not thrilled.
You were looking at it too broadly.
You're talking about all of history knew that there was going to be a threat and then created Alex Jones.
Nah.
Just his lineage.
Now granted, that would be most of the people in the world, considering he thinks he's related to the Tudors and he's Confederate royalty and all this shit.
Holy shit, man.
So, okay.
In the womb.
jordan holmes
Yes.
He was downloaded through the mitochondrial DNA.
dan friesen
The tribunal of Alex's ancestors got together and they're like, oh boy.
jordan holmes
Like in the movie Mulan.
dan friesen
They're like, oh shit.
jordan holmes
And the mitochondrial DNA is Eddie Murphy as Mushu.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't understand.
jordan holmes
It's a great metaphor.
dan friesen
Okay.
So they're like, there's trouble.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Shit's bad.
Globalists, they got a footing.
jordan holmes
Thank God Alex Jones' ancestors were on the job.
dan friesen
Right, right.
And they've been fighting globalism since before, like back when we thought there wasn't actually a globe.
jordan holmes
No, because they already knew that globalism would emerge, which is why they had to set in motion the plan to get Alex Jones.
dan friesen
They probably know everything in the future, too.
jordan holmes
This is God Emperor of Dune type shit right here.
This is the Atreides line.
dan friesen
It's a hot load of nonsense.
And it also...
But I like the idea that they were like, let's fiddle with this.
Let's make him angry.
jordan holmes
Little dials.
dan friesen
Let's make him angry.
jordan holmes
Little Westworld dials.
dan friesen
Make him a guy who screams a lot, takes his shirt off.
jordan holmes
That'll defeat the globalists.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We got him.
dan friesen
Let's weaponize this baby.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Which is also a bad way to view your life as your genetics weaponized.
dan friesen
Also, like, a lot of this is...
Cribbed from various message board posts about the Illuminati.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Sounds right.
This is all stuff that he's taking as being really important.
You know how Carrie Cassidy will talk to a murderer and act like he knows stuff about secret space programs?
It's becoming very clear to me, especially as I look into 2009 stuff, read Alex's primary sources and stuff like that.
He's the exact same in terms of not being like...
Not caring about where he's getting information from.
Except he doesn't talk to Mark Richards.
He just reads blogs.
He reads blogs and message boards and then pretends that they're like, this is the truth.
Shit like that.
It's insane.
Now, this next clip I've just titled, I'm deeply concerned about Alex's well-being.
jordan holmes
That's a good thing to be.
alex jones
Moving forward.
Your ancestors had will and existed and were amazing at every different level.
You now are here.
You have now continued the bridge and created another level of that genetic electrochemical expression in the space warp you're making.
So you've already executed the next level of the space warp.
dan friesen
I want to be clear.
He's talking gobbledygook, but I understand everything he's saying.
You know, it's not like he's talking above my head.
He's using unnecessarily stupid words.
jordan holmes
No, it's in the space warp.
alex jones
It's a space warp.
michael rotondo
My son's a function of me, is what you're saying.
alex jones
A function of all of that.
Everybody is physically and electrochemically connected all the way back to wherever we came from.
jordan holmes
Back and back and back.
alex jones
It is like a power line.
michael rotondo
It's history.
alex jones
It's power lines.
It's power lines.
You are back.
Whether it was billions of years, trillions of years, or 6,000 years like misinterpretations of the Bible, you are a continual line of all those people.
Their juice, their guts, their sweat, what they saw went through those genes all the way through to what you are right now.
Pretty big.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't understand epigenetics, but anyway.
michael rotondo
That's what makes life so exciting.
alex jones
And now you've taken the next step.
You had a child.
Doesn't mean you're perfect and not everybody lives in this thing.
I don't mean that metaphysically or physically to be both.
Now the next thing is the world has decided to create a buffered nanny state so that more powerful individuals don't manifest towards the next jump, which is going to be even harder.
And so there's a conflict going on to kill this experiment of consciousness before it goes to the next level because it's a particularly powerful experiment in consciousness By the mastermind.
dan friesen
This is all from message board stuff I've read in the past.
jordan holmes
This is Harrison Bergeron.
dan friesen
Yeah, well, there's that, too.
There's flickers of Harrison Bergeron, for sure, through a lot of his, like, they want to make you dumber.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
All that stuff.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Like, a lot of this stuff about the idea that, like, there's an upcoming, you know, they want us to fail.
They want to sabotage humanity at this next time.
It's going to be much harder for us to get up to the next level.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is all shit I read on, like, above Top Secret.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And, like, all of these.
Jack-hole blogs that I used to read when I was younger and smoked a lot of weed.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So, I mean, he's just relaying all kinds of stupid horse shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, you should have known better.
I read that, I was high, and I was like, oh my god, this is scary!
And then I would come down from being high and be like...
Nah, that was fun.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is all stupid.
jordan holmes
It is good to be high.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's like watching a scary movie.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Or something like that.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
That's what the experience was like.
And Alex lives in that scary movie.
He's like, did you know that I live near Leatherface?
jordan holmes
He was my great-grandfather.
dan friesen
Alex, come on, man.
jordan holmes
In the space warp.
dan friesen
It's just fiction.
It's just online immersive fiction.
That's all that you're engaging in now.
jordan holmes
Oh, Space War.
dan friesen
But he thinks it's real because his ancestors created him in the womb in order to engage with this fucking internet immersive fiction.
It's deeply tragic.
So this, again, this next clip is just labeled deeply upsetting.
I really need to do a better job with these clips.
But I know that it's accurate.
alex jones
You have to build...
The stairway to the rocket by doing the petty things our ancestors did thousands of years ago.
They dreamed of gods and wars and all these sophisticated things and world governments and Mark of the Beast thousands of years ago and pillars of fire.
They could already see the future, but they had to have sailing ships and mathematics and teach people and slowly build the steps, build the steps, and now we're at the door into the next level.
People that already got to the door looked back and decided, if all of them go through the door, they're going to challenge us on the other side.
We need to cut them off so they don't go through the door.
They don't know that that's the secret.
You cut people off from the door, you don't actually go through the door.
There's a trap door where they drop you.
Do you understand that?
michael rotondo
Yeah, I do.
Where do you think that comes from?
dan friesen
We're going to get back to this.
But first of all...
I love...
jordan holmes
We fooled ya!
unidentified
Everybody, we got another one in the trap door, this fucking idiot!
He tried to close the door of the people behind him, and he fell in the trap door, and the door just opened up anyways.
dan friesen
Goddamn, what an idiot.
jordan holmes
There's a trap door!
dan friesen
Something that I find deeply upsetting about that is Alex is describing this sort of metaphysical stuff with such concrete terms.
Like, they're standing at a physical door, and they don't know there's a trap door if you try and stop people.
jordan holmes
They don't know there's a trap door!
dan friesen
It's like, this is sad.
This makes me really sad.
And again, it is...
jordan holmes
I'm just a big fan of the sudden appearance of a trap door.
unidentified
This is...
jordan holmes
He might as well have been like, oh yeah, and you know what's underneath that trap door?
Quicksand.
dan friesen
Quicksand.
jordan holmes
The more you struggle, the more you keep going down.
dan friesen
And you know what's in there, quicksand?
Crocodiles.
jordan holmes
Oh no!
dan friesen
But they're really chill crocodiles so they don't drown!
jordan holmes
And if you treat the crocodiles nicely, you get to go right back to the bottom of the steps.
dan friesen
And they give you a gumdrop.
I don't know why I thought of gumdrops.
jordan holmes
I don't know why you did either.
I like it.
It's good.
dan friesen
So the thing is, too, a lot of this is really...
It's a trapdoor!
This harkens to, again, themes that are just...
These ideas are discussed on these NWO Illuminati message boards online.
jordan holmes
Also, Trapdoor's Unlimited.
dan friesen
This is all that horse shit.
jordan holmes
Where do you buy a trapdoor?
dan friesen
Well, you gotta build it.
jordan holmes
You gotta build it?
You can't just buy one?
dan friesen
You know about the money pit?
Not the movie.
jordan holmes
Not the movie starring Tom Hanks?
Who was it?
Meg Ryan?
dan friesen
No, was it the money trap?
What is that?
This is that island where they have a bunch of successive floors.
Who cares?
I don't want to talk about this.
I want to get back to the universe and good and evil.
michael rotondo
Yeah.
The trick.
dan friesen
Oh, real quick.
jordan holmes
The trick.
dan friesen
The thing that I love is the idea that Alex is going on this long thing about, like, there's a door, and these guys are trying to stop you from going to that door.
jordan holmes
But they got a trap door.
dan friesen
Trap door.
And then he's like...
jordan holmes
Surprise appearance of the trap door.
dan friesen
My favorite thing so far.
And then he's like...
You understand what I'm saying?
And Mike is like, you bet.
He's like, yeah, I get it.
jordan holmes
No, he said...
He gave a little pushback.
He said...
Where do you think this all comes from?
unidentified
Right, right.
dan friesen
But after saying, yeah, I get it.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Well, then, yeah.
dan friesen
Because, I mean, he wants to know where evil comes from.
michael rotondo
Who doesn't?
You know, why?
You know, because I asked you, you said you believe it's inherent that people pursue their dreams.
What is it that is or is not inherent about the origin of these other things that are...
alex jones
Well, there's the knowledge of good.
Oh, four ways to learn.
michael rotondo
Where does the bad stuff come from is what I'm asking you.
alex jones
Well, if you're perfect and you understand how the universe works...
And you've got an unlimited energy supply.
You don't need to engage in manipulative systems.
But in the knowledge of evil, it's knowledge of distortion and knowledge of manipulation.
michael rotondo
Okay.
alex jones
And so we have the knowledge of good and evil.
And the modern church teaches us, oh, don't have the knowledge of evil.
Be a sheep.
That's another distortion.
No, the knowledge of evil, now that we're in this paradigm, is good because we have the knowledge of how the enemy's operating with the knowledge of evil.
unidentified
Are you following this?
dan friesen
He's saying that because we know good and evil, it's okay for us to manipulate and distort things.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Well, because if you don't use the knowledge of evil, then you're a sheep.
dan friesen
Right, because these other people are manipulating and distorting things, so why shouldn't I do it?
I need to be able to use the tools of evil because I'm so good.
jordan holmes
And you don't want to be a sheep.
There was an asshole who was like, you should be sheep in a flock.
Do you remember that asshole?
dan friesen
Who was that guy?
jordan holmes
That fucking dude.
He was like, you should all be sheep.
dan friesen
It was Ben-Hur.
jordan holmes
No, come on.
It was Spartacus.
dan friesen
That's right.
alex jones
Yeah.
The mainline Christian argument is you don't want to engage in the knowledge of evil because it's so seductive that if you knew that, you would get ahead with that knowledge of evil.
michael rotondo
What if you just chose not to be evil?
alex jones
But then the definition is broad.
You shouldn't try.
We're going to end this in a minute.
dan friesen
You've just got to stop.
You've got to be like, I don't want to pursue this line any further.
Because I just basically said on air that because I'm so good, it's okay for me to manipulate and distort things.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That's the power of evil.
jordan holmes
You've got to use the power of evil.
It's seductive.
dan friesen
Alex, you just basically admitted that you're a propagandist.
Yep.
It's not news, but man, he's getting so into that space where he's like, I want to talk so big.
I want to try and use my flowery language to hypnotize this boy.
jordan holmes
Don't you want to be like me?
I'm a million.
I mean, I'm struggling to get by.
Buy these pills.
I'm not a...
It costs so much to run the operation.
dan friesen
Roger Stone has been Trump's wingman for 30 years, but also he doesn't cheat.
jordan holmes
No Russians.
unidentified
No Russians.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
You can trust him.
dan friesen
This is a funny...
jordan holmes
I mean, with Roger Stone, Deliberately chooses not to use the knowledge of evil, right?
dan friesen
Yeah, totally.
This is a funny moment where we've gotten out of esoteric stuff now.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
There's a couple of really funny things that happen, and then there's this last clip where they're having two different conversations at each other, and it's so fucking mind-blowing.
But before we get to that, Mike comes in with a...
It seems like it's going to be a critique of Trump.
And then it turns very weird.
michael rotondo
Do you remember when Donald Trump...
How much time do we have left?
alex jones
About five minutes.
Go ahead.
michael rotondo
Do you remember when Donald Trump tried to make his personal doctor in charge of the VA?
alex jones
Yes.
dan friesen
So doesn't that seem like it's going to end up being like, why would he do that?
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
It doesn't end up that way.
michael rotondo
Remember when that got turned down because he didn't have the experience running the VA?
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was why.
alex jones
But he did have the experience.
But that's how they defined it.
michael rotondo
Right.
So you don't support that?
Because he chose that person to do that based on that person?
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
I think that Mike started this question in a critical way, and then once Alex pushed back on it, he was like...
Then he's like, oh, yeah, yeah, of course he should have been allowed to.
jordan holmes
He's trying to keep Alex calm.
dan friesen
Yeah, a little bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is a guy who's dealt with rage before.
dan friesen
I think there's a decent chance.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And from everything I can tell, I would understand why.
He's making me, like, because I don't have to sit in the same room with him.
It's hilarious.
jordan holmes
I'm grossed out.
dan friesen
I would be furious if I was, like...
Just say anything!
Anyway, it just goes...
We don't need to hear the rest of that quote.
It's just that.
And also, by the way, it wasn't just that Trump tried to appoint his personal presidential doctor.
He said he fired the other guy, too.
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
So anyway, in order to put in his own doctor.
jordan holmes
And also his personal doctor may have committed a bunch of crimes.
dan friesen
Possibly.
jordan holmes
It's certainly possible.
And the ones that he denied was just the one.
And it was like, I wasn't driving like that.
dan friesen
So now Alex decides, I gotta fix this kid.
And I thought giving him a job was gonna work.
jordan holmes
Didn't do it.
dan friesen
I can't be around him.
He's miserable.
It's awful.
He's miserable talking to this kid.
jordan holmes
Ruining it.
dan friesen
And so he's like, I've got to find a new way.
And here's his first volley.
alex jones
You should be, when media calls you up wanting to fly you, because I've seen you on national TV, you should say, yeah, I need $1,000 to take off.
You probably would have made $20,000 all the interviews you did.
I wanted to give you $3,000 to pay for your flight to show you.
Not because, see, a globalist would look at you and say, oh, this guy doesn't know what he's doing.
Let me take advantage of him.
There's 7 billion people.
Most of them are retarded.
This has been done by design.
dan friesen
Right now, Alex is pretending to sort of put his hand over the mic.
It's almost like he's talking to him like, hey, you know that camera?
It's not really on right now.
There's 7 million people in the world.
Most of them are retarded.
Not like you and me, buddy.
It's like that moment when the knife salesman breaks character.
It's like, oh, look, I'm hustling all them, but not you.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This is crazy.
But also, I do like the idea of like, hey, charge $1,000 for 20 interviews, you got 20 grand.
Anyway, I'm going to go back to the part where he's whispering because you need to experience this as a whole.
This is so fucked up.
alex jones
See, a globalist would look at you and say, oh, this guy, I know what he's doing.
Let me take advantage of him.
There's 7 billion people.
Most of them are retarded.
This has been done by design.
dan friesen
This is Alex Jones' jinx moment.
It's as if he's in the bathroom saying this.
Let me go back to the beginning.
alex jones
There's 7 billion people.
Most of them are retarded.
This has been done by design.
They're getting ready to cull everybody.
They got the race-specific bioweapons ready, everything.
I really don't want to be part of this process.
I've been offered to be part of it.
I really don't want to do it.
So I don't want to kill you.
You understand?
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
alex jones
I'm not joking around, brother.
I'm not going to kill you.
I'm saying.
jordan holmes
You're repeating it makes me question that.
alex jones
On the good side, the brainiac consciousness, the way I'm talking is standard operating procedure at the highest levels.
michael rotondo
Okay.
alex jones
This is the language.
And you're like humanity over there, caught in a lullaby, caught in this trance with the computers and the entertainment and the choices.
dan friesen
So choices is not a great thing to throw at the end.
The entertainment and the choices.
All of the...
Hey, guy, Alex, what you're saying...
unidentified
Isn't brainiac consciousness.
dan friesen
What he's saying isn't smart.
He's just using words that he knows don't make sense to most people.
jordan holmes
It's the brainiac consciousness.
dan friesen
He's using words that will confuse people most of the time.
Space warp.
Exactly.
unidentified
It's the space warp.
dan friesen
Exactly.
That sort of shit.
jordan holmes
It's the cosmic...
dan friesen
It's a Googleplex on a decimal point basis.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Or whatever.
Subsection.
dan friesen
Subdecimal.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Section below the sub.
dan friesen
It's just like...
I'm not confused by what he's saying.
I'm confused by how he's parsing his ideas and putting things that are unrelated together.
jordan holmes
I'm uncomfortable with the way he's doing all of these things.
dan friesen
But when he's like, this is how the people at the top talk...
I'm just manifesting this brainiac consciousness.
He's trying to impress him.
Right after saying, hey...
unidentified
7 billion people is stupid.
dan friesen
You and I aren't like that.
And look, they're all going to use race-specific bioweapons and kill everybody, which isn't true.
And then he's like, hey, you know what?
I don't want to kill you.
That's the guy being like, I wouldn't screw you up.
I'm not going to kill you.
I don't want to be involved with these assholes anyway.
You're not going to die.
It's totally fine.
I'm a brainiac.
Alex is playing out his own thing here.
Mike doesn't have to be here.
No.
This is all about Alex.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
And his severe mental illness.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
This is like...
I mean, I know we're not professionals and the Goldwater rule does exist, but this dude's crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex asks about drugs.
alex jones
Sure.
They buzz out and go into their own little world.
They leave alone.
The ones that stand up, they put on Ritalin.
michael rotondo
I'm familiar with that.
alex jones
Have you been on Ritalin?
michael rotondo
No.
They stopped doing Ritalin a long time ago.
Ritalin gets abused.
alex jones
Well, now they call it Adderall, whatever.
michael rotondo
Adderall.
alex jones
Are you on any drugs now?
michael rotondo
No.
alex jones
When I said you act like you have a little bit of what they call autism, that's just their own term for it.
The point is you need to realize that you're eccentric.
Uh-huh.
Have you ever done oil painting?
jordan holmes
He is trying to...
No, no, no, no.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
No, no, no, no, no.
No, no, no, no.
You can't be doing that.
Alex, you cannot be doing that.
unidentified
What are you doing?
jordan holmes
That is not good.
dan friesen
What are you doing?
jordan holmes
Do you know what he's just doing?
dan friesen
What do you think he's doing?
jordan holmes
He is trying to find something to pin autism on.
dan friesen
What, oil painting?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Why do you think that?
jordan holmes
He's doing the whole thing.
What drugs are you on?
alex jones
Oh.
jordan holmes
You know, people would say you're something called autistic.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
You ever been around oil painting?
dan friesen
Oh, no, no, no.
jordan holmes
You ever been under power lines?
No, no, no, no.
He's trying to...
No, no, no.
I hear it.
He is trying to find a way to blame this guy's autism on something that the globalists have done.
And then he'll be able to say, no, no, no.
The globalists did oil painting?
Yes!
They put their shit in the oil paints!
It's totally what he's doing!
dan friesen
Jordan, you're right on a bunch of these things.
With oil painting, you are not.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Here's the next clip.
This is Mike Down.
This is one of the...
Look, I understand where you're coming from, and I admire that level of thought, because it does seem like that's what Alex would be saying.
It turns out what he's saying is a complete non-sequitur question that leads to one of the...
Craziest suggestions I've ever heard a human being make for another human being.
And then when that suggestion is rejected, Alex gets really mad and rejected.
He feels very, very sad.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Have you ever done oil painting?
michael rotondo
Oil painting?
No.
alex jones
You have enough of a name right now.
If you struck while the iron was hot and started a website about yourself and started a Twitter and just said things you thought about the world and then you're a little late, but if somebody liked me to promote you a little bit.
You would then be able to make a living selling oil paintings and making statements.
I mean, I could see...
Here's a thing.
If you listen to me...
michael rotondo
I'm not an artist like that, though.
alex jones
Oh, exactly.
You couldn't do that.
Exactly.
If you listen to me, I could see 50 paths for you.
And if you listen to one path, I could just not control what you did, but just give you a path.
Because you're just an example of humanity right here, right now.
Millennial caught in the mind wash.
See, you won't.
You won't.
You're just saying, well, I couldn't do that.
I couldn't do this.
I couldn't do that.
But you could get on an airplane and get paid $3,000 to come here, and that's why I did this.
You understand that, don't you?
michael rotondo
I do.
alex jones
That check will clear the bank when you cash it.
michael rotondo
I can't imagine that it wouldn't have.
jordan holmes
Right up until the point where you said it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I never questioned it, but now...
dan friesen
Chirp, chirp.
Buckley.
Stop payment.
jordan holmes
Check 83094.
Cancel.
dan friesen
Oh, man, that was a mess.
That was a mess.
So his suggestion is, because he doesn't want him to work there anymore.
jordan holmes
No!
He never wanted him to work there.
dan friesen
So he's got the first suggestion, which is charge the media a thousand dollars to go on their shows, which is probably too late for that.
unidentified
Probably.
dan friesen
And now his other suggestion is, do you do oil painting?
I do not.
Well, if you had a website, you could just sell oil paintings and get paid to make statements on Twitter.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
What the fuck?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's like, and then Alex is like, I could come up with 50 different things for you to do.
jordan holmes
You know what's crazy?
dan friesen
But you, you're a stupid fucking millennial, so you wouldn't listen to any of them.
You wouldn't listen to me saying you should sell oil paintings with your stupid response that I'm not an artist.
jordan holmes
What's fascinating about that is, I think what he just described is a social media influencer, which is a job wholly created by millennials.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So...
dan friesen
But it's oil paintings.
jordan holmes
Yeah, okay, that's right.
That's old people shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
The millennials could never have thought of oil paintings.
dan friesen
It's the mixture of the old and the new, which comes together to form the beautiful time-traveling power lines.
unidentified
Yep, yep, yep.
dan friesen
I don't think it's someone being not willing to put in effort when you say you should do something you can't do and they say, I don't have a skill for that.
I think that would be scamming people by selling them shitty oil paintings.
jordan holmes
I think you just described a con.
Did you just describe a con?
dan friesen
I got 50 different cons.
jordan holmes
I know.
unidentified
That's what he said.
jordan holmes
You know how you don't make things that people want?
Well, now that you're famous, people want those things.
And you can just sell it to them.
They don't know any better.
dan friesen
But you don't make those things, you gotta start making them.
jordan holmes
Now that you're famous, you gotta do it.
Now that you quantifiably have no skills.
dan friesen
Such an asshole.
But the reason he's doing this is because he accidentally opened the line of communication earlier in the day about giving him a job, and he's like, you know how lame this guy would be around?
Like, Owen and Rob Doe like to sexually harass people.
It's fun.
No one complains except for that time that I accidentally hired a black girl, and then, ah, God, that just blew up in my face.
I'm going to hire this guy.
He's going to be a buzzkill.
My dad is going to have to deal with HR complaints.
He's out on a...
He's not even at the office ever.
What are we going to do?
He's just pissed off, so he's like, you should sell oil paintings.
It's a good idea.
jordan holmes
Was he thinking about George W. at that exact moment?
Was he just like, hey, George W., he was a war criminal, and now he just sells oil paintings.
dan friesen
That might be a part of it.
jordan holmes
You could be that.
dan friesen
So here is the next piece where Alex asks for his final thoughts, and this is where I think Mike thinks he already has a job.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Well, listen, Michael, we've got 30 seconds left, a minute left.
Any final statements you want to make?
michael rotondo
Thank you for having me on the show.
It means you and I are going to be dealing with each other and working together for a while.
alex jones
But not if you don't start taking steps.
michael rotondo
We'll get there.
alex jones
No, we're not going to get there.
The getting there is going up the steps.
If you don't step on the first step and then step on the second step and step on the third step, you understand what I'm saying?
michael rotondo
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, I got it.
I get it.
jordan holmes
Step on steps.
dan friesen
Which is, I'm laying some steps for you to get to stepping.
You take some steps out the fucking door to get to your plane.
So now, Jordan, we have hit the last clip.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I apologize in advance that this is five minutes long.
You've got to give me a high sign when you want me to pause it or something like that.
Because this is two men having conversation with each other.
Where neither of them understands what the other is saying.
One of them is in a high-status position.
In this case, it's Alex.
And doesn't want to put up with the other guy's bullshit.
God damn it.
This is so crazy.
And also, rest in peace, Nock.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
I'm not comparing you to a dog, but I had a Labrador Retriever, German Shepherd mix named Max when I was about six years old.
And we lived by the highway.
And somebody dumped him off.
He was a sweet dog, but every time we tried to go, he lived down when he was 15 years old, a hip dysplasia, and I was there.
He put him in the bed with me.
Right before I moved out of my parents' house, strangely enough, he died the week before I moved out.
I was like 18. I had him when I was like five years old, six years old, and I remember putting the dog in the bed with me and sleeping with him.
And I woke up, he was cold and dead in the morning, but he'd had a heart attack.
jordan holmes
Jesus!
dan friesen
Or it was murder.
alex jones
We thought, but the point was, every time I tried to load him up in my truck or my dad's Land Cruiser, He would get scared and piss everywhere because he thought we were going to go dump him.
michael rotondo
How much time do we have left?
alex jones
We're almost over.
The point I'm telling you is, listen.
dan friesen
So, real quick, just because, I mean, it's very obvious what he's talking about.
Like, the metaphor is super clear.
jordan holmes
You're the dog.
dan friesen
You're the dog who I'm trying to put in the car.
jordan holmes
You're the dog who is afraid.
dan friesen
I'm trying to help you and you're pissing on me.
jordan holmes
And you're pissing all over everyone.
dan friesen
I don't want to call you a dog, but look, there was a dog I had that, you know...
jordan holmes
Yeah.
michael rotondo
Yeah.
alex jones
He couldn't get over that trauma.
I never beat the dog.
I love that dog.
I buried that dog myself.
That was a dog in my childhood.
But he couldn't get past the trauma, and he couldn't trust me to get in the car.
dan friesen
So now Alex is feeling this about Mike, but he's talking about himself.
There is no doubt in my mind that Alex is talking about his own pain and his own trauma, but using Mike as a surrogate to get it out.
And deal with it.
jordan holmes
I hated that dog.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
I have been hurt.
I have pain from the past that I'm unable to get over.
And he's putting that on Mike very clearly.
Because Mike hasn't said anything to indicate any of this.
alex jones
Because he thought I was whoever it was.
We got him.
He was probably about seven months old.
Kudos nice to him and sweet to him, but then dumped him on the side of the road.
michael rotondo
I grew up with my grandmother's dog, Sandy.
And she was my friend for years.
And I remember my...
We're just staring at dog stories?
Your father brought your dog to die with you.
My father came into my bedroom one day and told me that Sandy was dead.
alex jones
Well, she about to die.
michael rotondo
She brought her and killed her.
He brought her to the pound.
alex jones
Well, he thought you were emotionally weak and couldn't handle it.
michael rotondo
Really?
He thought I was emotionally weak and couldn't handle...
unidentified
What?
alex jones
I was 18 and still living there, and the dog fell over, and my dad checked and said, yeah, his heart's palpitating.
They're not going to be able to save him.
He was 15, you know, everything.
So I got the dog and stuck it in the belly of me and went to sleep.
He was dead in the morning.
michael rotondo
So you did that?
alex jones
Well, I lived there, and it was almost like an archetypal sign.
My dog's dead.
Time to go.
Because a week later, I moved out.
The whole point was childhood's end.
dan friesen
Real quick, the day before, or earlier on the show, Alex said that his mom kicked him out of the house because he was dating a woman who liked to yell at his mom.
So the idea that his dog died and he realized, hey, it's time to get out of the house, childhood's end, that doesn't match up with a story he told an hour earlier.
Also, this dog story competition is...
jordan holmes
I had my first dog when I was around 11. I don't want to hear it.
And then later it died.
dan friesen
So from this point forward, there are two conversations that are happening.
The one is Alex still trying to make this very easy to understand point about you don't want to go along with me trying to help you.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then Mike now trying to be like...
Why did you think my dad thought I couldn't handle that?
Yep.
So that will now be the flavor for the next couple minutes.
jordan holmes
This is our playground?
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
But what I'm telling you about the dead dog is that people get trauma and they live by that trauma their whole life because the dog, the story was about the dog, not its death.
The dog...
Pissed itself and moaned and ran every time we tried to take it on a road trip.
Even though we took it on probably 50 to 100 road trips, it still had the trauma.
michael rotondo
I think the most important part is the question.
jordan holmes
You are the dog!
You!
dan friesen
Dude, at the beginning of the clip, he said, I don't want to call you a dog.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
Which means I'm about to give a metaphor, an allegory about a dog.
You are very specifically the dog.
michael rotondo
Is it your speculation that my father handled Sandy that way because he thought that I was emotionally weak?
alex jones
No, the story was about the dog's trauma.
michael rotondo
I'm asking you where you're getting that information from.
alex jones
No, no, no.
Where am I getting it from?
I'm telling you I've seen this before.
michael rotondo
Where are you getting that particular person from?
alex jones
The dog was an animal.
It was good, but it would not get passed.
That it was traumatized, no matter how nice I was to it, for 15 years, or 14, that it would not go to the vet, it would not go to the park, it would not go on a road trip with me, even though the road trips, it would always jump out of the car happily.
It thought it was being taken to be dumped and would beg me and plead like a person every time I took it, even though I did nothing to it, because somebody else did something bad to it.
michael rotondo
Right.
alex jones
And that's what the globalists do, is they pump out all this abuse to then blame on other people.
And I'm telling you, you can't be like that dog just because you've had a bad experience in the world.
You've got to get back up on the horse and roll the dice again.
jordan holmes
Like the dog did.
alex jones
No, it's always different.
It's not the same thing.
The definition of insanity is believing it's the same thing.
jordan holmes
Like the dog.
alex jones
The story is about the dog always being traumatized and me having to traumatize it to take it to the vet or to the park or to go anywhere.
Having to pick it up while it pissed on me until the day it died, begging me not to take it away because of whoever it was taken away from.
I didn't betray the dog.
But every time I took it somewhere, I had to metaphysically experience the betrayal of the dog, psychically again, because dogs are very psychic.
That's why we have them around with psychic buffers.
I'm going to leave you alone about these issues.
The point is, I can't talk to you unless you start taking steps.
Because you are...
Patient zero in extracting the millennials out of the trance they're in.
Just like dogs that have been abused by the technology and the system and the neglect and the latchkey crap and all of it, you have to stop following the same thing.
You're not that dog.
You're not that same person.
You're not reliving the same thing over and over again.
It's a whole new world out there.
You gotta go.
Your plane's in like an hour.
michael rotondo
Oh, jeez.
alex jones
We're an hour and 20 minutes, but you're right down the road.
michael rotondo
All right.
alex jones
Hey, we'll talk to you soon.
michael rotondo
Yeah, I can come on.
I don't have to come down here.
I mean, if we can do something quick over the phone, we can do that, too.
alex jones
All right, well, come on.
Michael, Rotondo, take your stuff with you.
God bless you.
Tip of the live transmission.
dan friesen
That's the end.
That's a fucking bad end.
That's awful.
So I want to say one thing really clear, and maybe we should have said this at the beginning.
jordan holmes
The fun thing that was occurring in that dynamic there was, Him almost existing within the trauma that Alex is saying that the dog was in.
Like, Mike sitting there going like...
So you're saying that my father didn't think I was emotionally strong enough?
dan friesen
Of course not, of course not, of course not.
But I want to talk about my dog.
jordan holmes
No, but where did you get that information?
dan friesen
Listen, my dog died in my bed.
jordan holmes
No, because is that just speculation, or did my dad talk to you about this in advance?
Because that's the trauma right there.
dan friesen
Well, it is traumatic.
jordan holmes
That is the daddy issue we've been looking for.
That's the smoking gun right there.
dan friesen
And the way Alex Jones is interacting with him, I think that borders on abusive, him saying something.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Well, he just called him a dog.
dan friesen
Well, not that much.
jordan holmes
He just called him a coward dog that's been traumatized and now is incapable of moving beyond that, while at the same time incapable of saying that he himself is also the traumatized dog, incapable of moving on past the traumas that he's existed in.
dan friesen
I just understood what you're getting at.
I was looking at two separate pieces.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, no.
dan friesen
I did not understand that what you meant is that if one were tracking...
that Alex is having with him.
Yeah.
unidentified
Obviously, he's talking about inability to get over the trauma is what made the dog piss on him and not be able to go along with stuff.
dan friesen
Exactly.
unidentified
So if Rotondo, if Mike were to...
dan friesen
The way he latched on to Alex saying that your dad thought you were too weak, that could fill the gap of explaining what the metaphorical getting thrown out of a car was.
Yep.
unidentified
And that's why he glommed on to it so much as opposed to it just being like, hey.
dan friesen
What the fuck are you talking about?
Yeah, that makes a lot more sense.
That makes the dual conversations not as curious.
And, I mean, if I were in his shoes and someone who's not, as Alex put it, quirky, I would still be like, the fuck's your problem?
Why did you say that to me?
That would halt the interview.
jordan holmes
Also, Alex himself gives the Freudian slip whenever he's like, in this, you're, I'm, you're, you're also the, Alex.
unidentified
Alex, you're a broken person.
jordan holmes
The same way that you're trying to fix you while at the same time you're trying to push you away.
This is such a psychodrama of bananas.
dan friesen
That's why we did a second one.
jordan holmes
If this was a play, you would watch this and be like, This is the dumbest fucking shit I've ever heard before in your life.
But watching this happen in real life, you're like, this is the dumbest fucking shit I've ever heard before in my life!
dan friesen
Yeah, but especially because it's like, we cover the Infowars world and there's only like six varieties of episodes or things that can usually happen.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The fact that this is a seventh now is like...
Hoo boy!
Alex trying to fix himself through daddying someone is an interesting leitmotif for InfoWars to take on.
And I certainly...
jordan holmes
It seems so weird that it's so easy to jump into this, but the idea that we're doing a show about a crazy person trying to fix his own life through this on air.
dan friesen
And probably trying to distract from the fact that he's not going to prison, but he's got to be worried.
I gotta answer some questions soon.
Like, there's gonna be a coming-to-Jesus moment, whether I like it or not.
So he's probably pretty stressed out about that.
Now, I wanted to say this.
I tried to jump into this right at the end.
Like I said, I think we probably should have said this at the beginning of the episode, and fuck us for not, kind of.
Look, Michael Rotondo is someone who has a bad history with him stalking a lady.
Now...
I don't know enough of the details of that to say that maybe his mental illness contributed to that.
Most likely probably did.
That doesn't excuse the behavior.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
That is still bad.
What I'm trying to get at is the reason that this is funny and the reason we're laughing at it is not because Mike and whatever mental illness he has or wherever he lands on the spectrum.
We're laughing.
Because of Alex's stupidity and complete obliviousness to the situation and the complete indecency with which he treats this guy.
That's what's funny.
It's not laughing at Mike, although certainly not letting him off the hook for anything.
jordan holmes
This reminds you so much of fucking 70s movies.
Where the kid is growing up in the 70s and his dad was raised in the 50s and he's doing the whole distant parenting thing, getting drunk and yelling at this kid, not able to understand why he likes the rock music or whatever it is.
dan friesen
Why do you like the Italians?
Why are you biking?
jordan holmes
Why aren't you going to the factory and getting yourself a job?
You'll never understand me, Dad!
It's the whole fucking thing.
dan friesen
Like breaking away.
unidentified
Except it's two adults living in both parts.
jordan holmes
At the same time!
dan friesen
And there's no third act where the dad comes around and realizes, hey, my son's into some quirky stuff, but he's really cool.
Or whatever.
unidentified
No, no, no.
dan friesen
Even the dad goes to the bike race at the end of Breaking Away and he's like, hey, he's great.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
He did great.
jordan holmes
None of that.
dan friesen
No.
This is fucked up.
It's just going to be Alex.
jordan holmes
This is just two grown men with daddy issues being daddy issued at each other.
dan friesen
That's the really difficult, troubling part is that you do sometimes, as you listen to this, forget that's a 30-year-old dude.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I know, right?
jordan holmes
He's being infantilized to a really disgusting extent.
dan friesen
And that's coming from Alex.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael rotondo
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
If the conversation was being done completely differently, I think that Mike would be able to handle himself quite decently.
He made a couple points that were counter to things that Alex believes, and he didn't do a terrible job.
In the same way, the last episode when he said, I don't think that it's great to have people not having food that need food or shelter on the streets.
That's going to cause crime.
It's fine to raise taxes.
It's going to get rid of crime.
You know, that.
And then what was the one on this?
Oh, the 5G isn't really that scary.
unidentified
It's not going to kill us.
jordan holmes
I think we should probably worry about racial relations.
unidentified
We should deal with racism.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, he's not an idiot.
He's kind of an idiot in the sense...
Not idiot's not the right word.
michael rotondo
No.
dan friesen
There's something that is...
He's unable to understand what's appropriate to a certain degree, but I don't know if it's to a clinical level, but he's not stupid.
If someone wasn't screaming at him and saying complete bullshit...
And trying to be like, take my pills.
jordan holmes
That's unfair.
Brendan Dassey wouldn't have given a confession to all that bullshit if it wasn't for five straight hours of weird guys.
dan friesen
If Alex was there, you would have.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
If Alex was there, Brendan Dassey would have become an info warrior.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And would have said it was a good idea or whatever.
dan friesen
Also, that other dude still might have done it.
jordan holmes
Who fucking cares?
dan friesen
I don't know.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Injustice.
Look.
Do you know 5G is coming?
Who gives a shit about the justice system?
dan friesen
5G stands for five justice.
So, this...
This brings us to...
jordan holmes
Plus one.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Back to even.
jordan holmes
Back to even.
dan friesen
This brings us to the end of our Michael Rotondo saga, unless...
Three weeks from now, he comes back with a book review!
jordan holmes
Yeah, if he does a book report, I guess we have to do it.
dan friesen
I feel like we don't.
I think we got to the bottom of this, because again, like we said repeatedly, it's not about him.
This is about Alex.
jordan holmes
This is entirely about Alex.
dan friesen
And what kind of headspace he's in.
And so we wish everyone the best.
Say...
I guess.
jordan holmes
Reconcile with your fathers, I guess?
dan friesen
Actually, Alex does say that in this episode.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
Reconcile with your father?
dan friesen
Well, in that section where he's talking about how, like, genetically it's a power line going down.
He's like, whatever your dad did, you should go and reconcile.
Tell him you're sorry.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Thank him for being white.
dan friesen
You don't know what his dad did.
I don't know either, but, like...
You know abuse exists, Alex.
jordan holmes
I don't want no part of that.
No, neither do I. Just like we said at the beginning of the last episode, hard pass on this story.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is only fun because of Alex.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
So what else is fun is our website, knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
Nice transition.
dan friesen
I'm doing a lot of work on knowledgefight.com right now.
It's not apparent, but when it is, once it becomes apparent...
jordan holmes
It will be.
dan friesen
And then it'll have race memory.
Because it's apparent.
jordan holmes
And it's got a white background, so we're good.
dan friesen
It's kind of great.
But there's a lot of fun stuff to enjoy on there.
And if you want to check it out, it's there.
KnowledgeFight.com.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Follow us on Twitter at Knowledge underscore Fight.
dan friesen
The website on Facebook.
Whoa.
Facebook.
We're on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We're on Facebook.
There you go.
dan friesen
We have a group called Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant.
jordan holmes
We are also doing a live show in Austin, June 15th, Beerland.
unidentified
The doors are opening at 9. Is that for sure?
jordan holmes
Yes.
The show is starting at 10. That's late.
dan friesen
I'm cool with it, but that's late.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I'm just hoping anybody shows up.
dan friesen
Late night podcast.
unidentified
Please.
dan friesen
It's going to be great.
It's going to be a lot of fun.
All right.
unidentified
So...
jordan holmes
I believe it's you.
dan friesen
I guess it is.
Well, really the only choice here, I'm certainly not going to tell Mike Rotondo to fuck himself.
Alex is a bad choice, so I will go with Reverend Rodney Howard Brown.
Go fuck yourself.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
andy in kansas
Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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