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May 21, 2018 - Knowledge Fight
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#162: May 19, 2018

Today, Dan tells Jordan all about a Special Report that Alex Jones put out on Saturday, May 19th. Alex doesn't usually work on Saturdays, so you know something serious is up. As it turns out, it looks like Roger Stone is in trouble, so Alex headed to the studio to vaguely threaten Robert Mueller and lie a bunch about some dead guys.

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alex jones
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dan friesen
55:14
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jordan holmes
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alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do.
Dan?
dan friesen
What up?
jordan holmes
Dan.
unidentified
What up?
jordan holmes
Is there a...
I don't even know what you would call it.
Is there a Blues Traveler to this?
unidentified
We did Blues Traveler 100 episodes ago.
jordan holmes
God damn it!
What am I supposed to remember?
Other people celebrate their 100th episode, Dan.
I don't even know what number we're at.
dan friesen
I don't either.
I have no clue.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Is there...
dan friesen
In fact, I think we've done Blues Traveler like twice.
jordan holmes
Have we done...
unidentified
Now three times.
jordan holmes
Now it's boring.
Now it's boring.
Is there...
What would you call it?
Is there an...
Amen break to this, Dan.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Fuck you.
You don't know about the Amen break?
dan friesen
No, because I was thinking of the Shaq song, No Hooks, featuring the RZA.
jordan holmes
See, no, the Amen break, important.
Shaq song?
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Strongly disagree.
jordan holmes
Amen break, one of the most important things in hip-hop history.
dan friesen
Shaq, underrated.
Very competent as a rapper.
I think that people need to remember that.
jordan holmes
All right, all right, all right.
dan friesen
They think of his rap career as a joke, but man.
jordan holmes
It was?
dan friesen
No, it wasn't.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
He went platinum.
He has a song with Biggie.
He held his own on a track with Method Man and The RZA.
He did his job.
unidentified
Don't like it.
The hook of this show is that I know a lot about Alex Jones and Shaquille O 'Neal's music career.
jordan holmes
Yeah, apparently.
Which is uncomfortable for both of us to learn.
dan friesen
Yeah, I've known it for a long time.
I have to live with this.
Anyway, today, Jordan, we're going to be going over a special report that Alex Jones put out on May 19th, 2018.
jordan holmes
Oh no, I don't want that.
dan friesen
Eh, we kind of have to.
jordan holmes
I don't want that at all.
I don't want, no.
dan friesen
I know, it sucks to be in the present.
jordan holmes
Can I veto an episode?
Do we have to just cancel this and then wait for you to do another 30 hours of research?
dan friesen
No, because if you do veto it, we can just play the entire 40 minute.
Debate that I found between Leanne McAdoo and Owen Schroyer.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Other side of the debate, Eddie Bravo.
jordan holmes
Alright, well now I'm in.
dan friesen
Debating.
jordan holmes
Now I'm weighing.
dan friesen
Debating Flat Earth.
jordan holmes
Now I'm weighing.
dan friesen
That is not what we're going to be going over today.
jordan holmes
Oh, goddammit.
dan friesen
Look, it's not about the shooting.
jordan holmes
Debating Flat Earth.
dan friesen
It's very weird.
jordan holmes
I wonder which side Eddie Bravo's on.
dan friesen
The whole time he's like, I'm not saying the earth is flat!
He's like, but it's not round!
jordan holmes
Let me not say it again!
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
It's very fucked up.
Guy's a delight.
So it's not about the school shooting.
Don't worry about that.
That's not what we're covering here.
The Santa Fe, Texas shooting.
jordan holmes
Man, I wish some anti-Second Amendment people would allow me to give thoughts and prayers to Ted Cruz's children.
dan friesen
Man, you know what, though?
Look, that's horrible.
jordan holmes
No, I'm on it.
I'm fine with it.
dan friesen
You didn't do anything?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
All right.
Fine.
Sacrifices.
dan friesen
I have to strongly separate myself from that sentiment.
You take that and you live in it.
jordan holmes
I didn't say anything other than what the president said.
I don't give a shit.
dan friesen
I understand that, but that doesn't mean that it's okay for us.
Just because it's something horrible he did.
But anyway, look.
The deal is this.
I watched the press conference that they advertised the other day.
Owen Schroer went out to the memorial of the shooting the night of.
They were having a vigil type thing, and Ted Cruz showed up, and Governor Abbott, the Texas governor, showed up.
jordan holmes
See, I'm just thinking, wouldn't it be better if I was one of Ted Cruz's children, I would think that the best thing that could happen to me is for me to just...
Go away.
dan friesen
Well, not existing does seem to us preferable as a state of affairs.
Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes
It's really, it's a mercy.
unidentified
Look.
dan friesen
Horrible.
Horrible, Jordan.
unidentified
Bad.
Bad.
dan friesen
Scolding you with my fingers.
jordan holmes
All I'm saying, blood in, blood out, man.
I don't know.
dan friesen
The point I'm making is that I watched that and it wasn't actually all that terrible.
They weren't like, Owen wasn't antagonizing people, really.
There were a number of...
Some of the interviews he did were really messed up, but it was just that the people he was talking to were stupid.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
You know, like, he ran into a couple people who were like, you know, this is all about Satanism, and stuff like that.
He found some info warriors to talk to.
jordan holmes
I'm in.
dan friesen
But he wasn't being disruptive in any way, or they weren't being disrespectful to the proceedings.
And so, like, I'm not saying...
I tip my cap to your reporting or anything like that.
I'm saying it's not really all that interesting.
I think it's really negative in the sense that it's kind of normalizing.
Because the fact that they did go out to this thing and everyone was fine with them being there for the most part and they just behaved like a normal news organization, it kind of gives them cover in some ways to be like, we're just reporting.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that scares me and worries me a little bit.
jordan holmes
Well, I think what we should have learned from the Grinch who stole Christmas is not to gather hands and sing.
But to grab pitchforks and torches and murder the Grinch.
That was the real lesson there.
That Dr. Soiss fucked up.
That's how you pronounce his name.
I found that out.
dan friesen
Some say Alex Jones' flask grew two sizes that day.
But look, so we're not going to be covering that, and I don't really particularly care, because every time we have one of these shootings, you know, the story is misogyny.
The story is angry white men.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Generally, who feel like they're entitled to people.
I mean, the stories come out about one of the victims of the shooting.
jordan holmes
Always.
dan friesen
Was someone who had rejected his advances and his harassment.
jordan holmes
Always a history of domestic violence.
dan friesen
Yeah, another story came out just the other day about the Sutherland Springs shooting where the guy went into the church, killed 20-something people.
And the story that just came out about how he had waterboarded his wife in the past.
unidentified
Great.
dan friesen
And, you know, you just see this trend over and over again, and any conversation that is not taking that into account isn't really a conversation worth having.
jordan holmes
Okay, so let's...
Okay, let's table gun control.
All right?
And instead, let's just put every single fucking white man in jail.
dan friesen
No, that's not the answer.
jordan holmes
I'm fine with it.
dan friesen
That's not the answer.
jordan holmes
Look, if that's what it takes, I will stay there in jail.
Because I'm fucking done.
I'm fucking done with this shit.
dan friesen
I did an in-depth look at the mass shootings of the last couple years, and I did an article on our website that you can find.
And that thread is through almost everything.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And the conclusion that I came to, and I believe this, is like, You're going to have to choose one problem to solve.
It's either got to be the guns or the dudes.
And I don't think Alex wants to talk about either of them.
And most people who are in positions of power don't really want to talk about either.
Absolutely not.
But you have to talk about one or else what you're talking about is pissant nonsense.
Like the idea of adding more doors to a school or taking away doors.
jordan holmes
I'm not even going to engage with that.
dan friesen
Right.
I know.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
That's what I'm saying.
All this stuff is like...
Each successive shooting that happens, the answer gets weaker.
Like, you know, last time it was, we need to arm teachers.
Pretty weak.
jordan holmes
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
Hold on.
Pretty weak.
jordan holmes
Sorry, sorry.
Let me let you finish your point.
dan friesen
That's pretty weak.
And people did not enjoy that idea.
So time goes on and we have another school shooting and they know they can't just toss that back into the ring.
And so this time it's...
Less doors.
And it's like, that's even weaker than arming teachers.
That's stupid.
And guess what?
You know what?
That's going to cause a bottleneck of people trying to get out of the school.
It'll end up, you know, it's like, hey, we need less fire exits.
unidentified
What?
Right.
jordan holmes
That way the fire can't get in.
Right.
dan friesen
So you understand, like, the next time it's going to be an even weaker fucking argument in order to not talk about the gun issue or the male entitlement issue.
jordan holmes
But that's the point.
There is no argument.
It doesn't matter how weak their argument is, because the argument that they're always making is, we will watch your children die.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's the argument.
We don't fucking care.
Look, the statistic that everybody's put out that is circling around is more children have died in school shootings than service members.
dan friesen
This year.
jordan holmes
And that is absolutely accurate, because what it really is is...
They have been fighting a war against us.
They have been fighting a war against the rest of us for so fucking long, and we haven't.
We haven't been part of that war.
We've just been the fucking victims of it.
And it can't go on.
These people need to go.
Period.
And I...
I can't say I want to give people my thoughts and prayers, Dan.
Because the people that I'm thinking about and praying about, they won't like the things that I'm thinking and praying happen to them.
Because there's no other way.
This is a civil war situation.
That's really what it is.
It's a civil war.
Get rid of them.
dan friesen
Like a behind-the-scenes civil war, just behind the curtain, the veil of illusion.
jordan holmes
For us, for the children, it's a very fucking real civil war.
dan friesen
Unfortunately, not unfortunately, but we can't lump ourselves into that group.
We're not in schools or anything like that.
We're just...
We're as external to it as, you know, a lot of other people.
It's just we respect the voice of the people who are a part of it.
Anyway, I know I said we weren't going to talk about that, now ten minutes later we've talked about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, what else?
How do you fucking avoid it?
How do you avoid it?
I mean, the only accurate, the only real response is what that fucking little girl said when she's like, oh yeah, we just assumed it was going to happen.
Yeah, that's bleak.
You fucking murdered us.
dan friesen
That's real bleak.
jordan holmes
That is living in a post-apocalyptic, there are movies in a post-apocalyptic nuclear wasteland in America where people have more hope than that fucking girl.
dan friesen
That's not great.
So, we're not going to talk about Alex's response to any of that stuff, and also, unfortunately, we're not going to be talking...
jordan holmes
Is it because it's too...
Too progressive and comforting for everybody to hear?
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Can't change our listeners' opinion of Alex?
dan friesen
There's another thing that we're not going to be talking about.
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
There was a video that went around the internet of, you know, when Alex and Milo were out at the, they went to the Google Fiber store.
jordan holmes
Yes!
dan friesen
Afterwards, did you see this video?
They ended up at a bar.
jordan holmes
I'm not allowed to see these videos.
dan friesen
This went around.
I thought you might have accidentally seen it.
They ended up at a bar and one of Alex's listeners showed up.
Because he was watching the live stream and was like, I can go find them.
And so he shows up and tries to get Alex to help him launch InfoWarsMusic.com.
jordan holmes
Love it!
dan friesen
And he is a crazy dude.
He says that he's the Spider-Man on 6th Street.
jordan holmes
Love it!
dan friesen
Which probably means he dresses up as Spider-Man and takes pictures with people for money.
jordan holmes
Absolutely!
dan friesen
And Alex, as soon as he recognizes that this is one of his listeners who's crazy...
He immediately slams his drink and is like, I'm going to pay for your drink.
Plops a bill down on the table and is like, hey brother, I gotta go.
He just tries to get away from him as quick as possible.
It's really funny, but there's no way for us to really cover that.
jordan holmes
So he is rational.
dan friesen
Well, he's aware of danger.
And that speaks to...
jordan holmes
Did he engage with the fact that it's Alex's own ideas to start InfoWarsMusic.com?
dan friesen
The listener?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
No, he did not recognize that Scooby-Doo or whatever the fucking guy's name was.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
No, what's his name?
God damn it.
Sylvester?
jordan holmes
No.
Something.
Something.
dan friesen
Daffy Duck.
It was Daffy Duck.
That was it.
But it dovetails nicely into this article out of The Guardian that also came out.
Oh, the reason we're not going to cover that is because it's a video and it's really not fun just as audio.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's too difficult for us to play a video that you have to watch and then respond.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
We don't have the tech.
jordan holmes
This isn't a documentary showing.
dan friesen
No.
So there's an article that came out in The Guardian.
I'm trying to find the date on this.
This is from the 19th, so Saturday.
New documents suggest Las Vegas shooter was conspiracy theorist.
What do we know?
So it turns out that a bunch of documents got released about Stephen Paddock, the guy who shot up the country concert in Las Vegas.
And there are a bunch of people who had run into him and a bunch of people who gave statements.
There was this one lady.
In a handwritten statement, one woman says she sat near Paddock in a diner just a few days before the shooting while out with her son.
She said she heard him and a companion discussing the 25th anniversary of Ruby Ridge and the Waco siege.
She says she heard him and his companion saying the courtroom flags, like in a courtroom, with gold fringe are not real flags.
The belief that gold fringe flags are those of a foreign jurisdiction or admiralty flags is characteristic of the so-called sovereign citizens who believe, among other things, that the current U.S. government and its laws are illegitimate.
There's a bunch of other stuff that they found about him being afraid of FEMA camps and stuff like that.
And what it really goes to show, I think this is important, is that this guy who...
Bum-rushed Alex at that bar when he was out with Milo and he ran away from him.
That indicates an awareness of, hey, the people who believe the same stuff I believe but aren't millionaires are crazy.
I have to get away from them.
And then we see information coming out about Paddock and we see, oh, he believes a lot of the same stuff Alex does.
Which is why he has to spin the narratives about him being a leftist and being Antifa and being all this other bullshit.
unidentified
Of course.
jordan holmes
If you're going to get caught in the conspiracy web, you try and push it towards the guy who's a 9-11 truther, but in the leftist way or whatever.
unidentified
So that is the roundup.
dan friesen
Our new segment.
Talking about not this episode for the first 13, 14 minutes of the episode.
Now we'll get into today's episode.
This is a special report Alex put out on Saturday because something happened, and boy, Alex is really worried.
And he should be.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
I did see this one.
dan friesen
What'd you see?
jordan holmes
This is Roger Stone going down, isn't it?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
So here's an out-of-context drop from today's episode about the special report Alex put out on May 19th.
alex jones
Sometimes I wonder, is this a video game simulation?
Because this is crazy.
dan friesen
It is pretty crazy.
jordan holmes
It is pretty crazy.
Although, it's not crazy in as much as we have been saying this for a long time, that Roger Stone was going to go down.
dan friesen
None of it.
jordan holmes
It was very obvious.
dan friesen
None of this is news.
jordan holmes
No, this is so obvious.
dan friesen
So, it's not so much that Roger Stone is necessarily going down that has Alex worried, because, I mean, at press time, I still stand by my conviction that I think Roger might have cut a deal already.
I think that there's a reasonably good chance.
jordan holmes
Especially since he went on national TV and was like...
Yeah, I'm probably getting indicted.
dan friesen
Whatever.
jordan holmes
I'm Roger Stone.
Of course I'm getting indicted.
dan friesen
What do you fucking think?
You think this is my first indictment?
jordan holmes
I'm Roger fucking Stone.
dan friesen
Roger Stone's aides have been called for questioning.
His social media aides have been brought in to Mueller and the investigation.
That's what Alex is really freaked out about because...
That this is the right thread to pull if you're investigating this.
Because the social media stuff is really where, you know, you get to figure out exactly where was intention?
You know, like, what was an accident in terms of bots elevating your traffic?
And what was intentional?
Who knew what?
And that sort of thing is really important to nail down if you're trying to track the actual story as opposed to the, like, Alex is on Russia's payroll, which no one is saying, except his ex-wife.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But before we get into this, I was looking into Roger Stone a little bit, just for fun.
I read an article about him from The New Yorker.
jordan holmes
Also, that must have been the shortest FBI deposition in history.
So could you say on tape that you are Roger Stone's social media aide?
Oh, he did all that shit.
No, wait, what?
No, you have to say, oh yeah, he did it.
Whatever it is you're going to ask, totally.
dan friesen
Oh, he's guilty.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
Oh, he did that shit.
jordan holmes
The shit you're not going to ask about, he did that too.
What do you think is going on?
dan friesen
So I read this article about Roger Stone from The New Yorker in 2008, and a lot of it is about how he goes to vaguely swingerish bars, brings his own bottles of vodka.
jordan holmes
No problems.
dan friesen
Good times.
jordan holmes
All fine with that.
dan friesen
But here's a couple passages that I found particularly interesting.
Quote, over the years, Stone's relationships with colleagues and clients have been so combustible that his value as a messenger has been compromised.
Stone worked for Donald Trump as an occasional lobbyist and an advisor when Trump considered running for president in 2000.
Quote, Roger is a stone-cold loser, Trump told me.
He always tries taking credit for things he never did.
jordan holmes
Ha ha ha ha ha ha!
dan friesen
Quote, That's good.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Here's another quote.
Quote, Ed Rollins, who served as President Reagan's first political director, said, quote, Roger was a fringe player around town.
He always had a reputation of being a guy who would.
Yeah.
unidentified
So that's the...
jordan holmes
That's why I believe he's in the center of things more.
dan friesen
Yeah, because nowadays it doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Your credibility doesn't matter.
Oh, who fucking cares?
jordan holmes
Also, why would I trust somebody in the Nixon administration to tell me the truth about anybody?
dan friesen
Yeah, but those are opinions about Roger Stone from before he got involved in Trump's campaign or anything like that.
So that should tell you what people thought about him before all this.
jordan holmes
I just like the idea that somebody in the Knicks administration is like, that guy is not credible.
dan friesen
Thanks, dude.
unidentified
Thanks.
jordan holmes
Good work.
dan friesen
Cool.
So here we go.
jordan holmes
You ever look in a mirror, sir?
dan friesen
Let's start this first clip.
This is Alex Jones' emergency special report on Saturday because he got a call from Roger saying, uh-oh.
alex jones
When I got started trying to promote Americana 25 years ago, What do you mean, that album by...
I'd studied history.
dan friesen
Who did that?
alex jones
I knew there were a lot of powerful forces in America that wanted to get rid of capitalism and get rid of the right to self-defense in the Second Amendment.
jordan holmes
It was offspring.
alex jones
A lot of groups that didn't like the First Amendment.
And I thought, well, I'll get politically involved.
And 25 years later, 23 years later after being on air for 23 years, I look back and...
I've got to say, I'm proud of the effect we've had in America and the world relaunching nationalism, populism, capitalism, and really Americana.
dan friesen
You name it.
jordan holmes
I am proud of being a Nazi.
alex jones
But I'm also really disappointed in the fact that I am one of the most prominent people in the world doing this, and that I've had such a big effect when I know a lot of men and women who are super smart, very charming, very hardworking.
But who've chosen to go along with the establishment because they think that that is a safer route.
So the things I'm going to say to you and the breaking news you're going to see on this Saturday, the 19th of May, 2018, is vital.
My sister is getting married in just about an hour.
But I'm here.
jordan holmes
That's the breaking news?
alex jones
Because this is so important.
jordan holmes
Oh.
alex jones
My baby sister.
I'm 14 years older than her.
Marley is getting married today.
dan friesen
Spoiler alert.
jordan holmes
Gross way of saying that.
dan friesen
Spoiler alert.
She's the one who always says is Korean adopted.
So he doesn't bring that up.
Hey, Alex, you're going to miss that wedding.
Special report.
unidentified
Alex.
jordan holmes
You weren't invited to that wedding, were you?
dan friesen
At the end of it, spoiler alert, Owen Schroer shows up just wandering around the studio and he's like, Owen, come in and host for a little while.
I gotta get out of here and go to this wedding.
Wait, are you going to the wedding?
alex jones
You don't have to come.
dan friesen
As if he's just gonna drag Owen Schroer to his Korean adopted sister's wedding.
Oh, God.
The special report is over an hour long, so if she's getting married in an hour, unless she's getting married at Infowars Studios...
jordan holmes
He's going to the reception.
He's not going to the wedding.
dan friesen
I would assume so.
jordan holmes
Nobody wants him in a church.
dan friesen
He's already possibly, like, two drinks in, you know?
So, anyway...
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
You know, that's just a nice standard preamble for Alex.
He's got, you know, globalists on the mind and what have you, but he's mad.
jordan holmes
And he's busy, so you know it's important that he's doing this now.
unidentified
Well, of course.
dan friesen
And he's mad.
But he also has receipts.
alex jones
Now, I've got a message for Robert Mueller.
I've got a message for Hillary Clinton.
I've got a message for Comey and Soros and all you spirit cookers.
I've got a message for you guys, all you Crowleyites.
unidentified
What's that?
alex jones
Whose egos is only outpaced by the amount of evil you engage in.
dan friesen
Long pauses on this episode.
jordan holmes
That's a long pause.
alex jones
Coming up here in a few minutes.
jordan holmes
I thought I was going to talk over something.
alex jones
And I've got some big news I'm going to break down as well.
dan friesen
You're not.
alex jones
And I've got exhibits here.
Not for the mainstream media that's going to twist this and lie about it, but for you who happen to be on Infowars.com or Newswars.com or on our Twitter, on our Facebook, on our YouTube, because you've got to be on the pages when we go live.
They don't let the notifications go out to anybody.
They don't.
Very small percentage.
dan friesen
That's not true.
I don't even subscribe to his channels and I randomly will get updates that their channels have gone live.
unidentified
Great.
dan friesen
I get push notifications on my phone.
jordan holmes
You've got to disable your cookies, my friend.
dan friesen
I know.
It's ridiculous.
jordan holmes
This is not good.
dan friesen
So anyway.
alex jones
We are being censored ahead of the big event that they've got set up for us.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
And so I'm going to lay out some exhibits here because I don't just make these claims.
jordan holmes
This is a dinosaur bone.
dan friesen
I'm going to lay it out.
He's going to do a lot of teasing.
jordan holmes
I have a bug preserved in amber.
Would you like some more exhibits?
dan friesen
This is going to create a dinosaur.
Yeah, he's got Mr. X to the Z. Oh, of course.
He's got a lot of exhibits.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
Exhibit.
One of the great rappers that never got the respect they deserve.
jordan holmes
Every time you say one of the great rappers, I feel like you're wrong.
I don't even listen.
I haven't listened to Exhibit in 20 years, and I'm still like, Dan's probably wrong about this.
dan friesen
There's a great song he did with Talib Kweli that was like, he had that great line, with a dick in your ear, you still couldn't fuck with my sound.
unidentified
I like that.
jordan holmes
That's not bad.
dan friesen
That's pretty good.
jordan holmes
That's not bad.
dan friesen
Yeah, you're right.
He's not one of the greats, but he was better.
He was better than to be remembered as the guy who was on Pimp My Ride.
jordan holmes
That's self-inflicted, though.
dan friesen
Well, you need money, man.
unidentified
I'll take that job.
jordan holmes
If you're 14, you only know Ice Cube as the guy from Are We There Yet?
dan friesen
It's Friday.
There's another Friday coming out soon, I think.
jordan holmes
Is there?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I saw a tweet.
Might be.
Might be happening.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
Excited to see Mike Epps again.
jordan holmes
Again, a 14-year-old knows about Friday?
dan friesen
Maybe next Friday or Friday after next.
The one with the ghetto Grinch.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the ones...
You gotta start with the originals, kids.
If you're 14 and you're watching Friday after next, dude, leave it.
dan friesen
No movie series has transformed themselves more than the Friday series.
Friday, pretty serious with some goofy comedic relief.
The rest of the movies, Very much absurd comedy.
jordan holmes
Which makes you wonder, what was it they were going for the first one?
dan friesen
I think Friday is an amazing movie.
I think it stands up.
jordan holmes
It is really good.
dan friesen
Granted, I haven't watched it in a long time.
jordan holmes
Debo became the president in The Fifth Element.
dan friesen
He also fought against Hulk Hogan.
jordan holmes
Oh, I did not know that.
dan friesen
And became a wrestler in the WCW.
jordan holmes
Sure, why not?
dan friesen
Zeus!
jordan holmes
He was Zeus?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Tiny Lister?
jordan holmes
I just like it.
dan friesen
So, anyway, Alex has got receipts.
He's got exhibits.
That's how we got caught off on it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's where we go.
It's been too long since we've done the show, Dan.
dan friesen
True, true.
And this is so, like, it's an interesting thing.
I think Alex is actually really worried because he keeps saying he's not worried.
And he's very restrained.
Like, in this episode, you're not going to see much freak out from Alex.
You're just going to see...
jordan holmes
He's maintaining control over his language.
dan friesen
You're going to see an attempt at really lying.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Like, he's trying to be very serious, and actually, he's acting like he's bringing forth real information.
And, you know, it's not maybe as fun as him drunkenly screaming, fill your hand, or something like that, but there's a lot you can dig into, and I think we're going to find some real bullshit, which starts here.
alex jones
First off, here's a McClatchy article from last year, 2017.
You can pull it up.
Just type in, FBI-led investigative team examines the role of conservative news sites in the Russia campaign.
And I'm going to get to that in a moment.
These are the exhibits.
That's from about 12 months ago.
So middle of last year.
dan friesen
It was from March.
alex jones
And there's congressional hearings that go along with it.
We played the clips.
dan friesen
I'm petty.
alex jones
The shocking clips.
Shocking.
jordan holmes
Shocking clips.
alex jones
Here's one out of Reuters last night.
Reuters last night.
Exclusive.
Special counsel subpoenas and other stone aid in Russia probe.
It's actually six.
They grabbed five of them up off the street this week.
We've talked to them, and that's the news you're about to hear.
What was Mueller asking of the five we've talked to?
One won't talk to us now.
jordan holmes
Good call.
dan friesen
Smart.
Very smart.
alex jones
Roger Stone is with his lawyers in Miami as we speak.
As soon as this live broadcast is over, I'm talking to him.
You should have talked to him before the broadcast.
That's how serious the timing is.
Because it's all coming to a head.
The whole Russia game.
But wait.
Wait until you hear who they claim is the Russian mastermind.
jordan holmes
There's more!
dan friesen
Who do you think the Russian mastermind is?
jordan holmes
Ooh, I'm gonna go with Soros?
dan friesen
It's Alex.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's Alex?
unidentified
Nobody thinks the Russian mastermind is Alex.
dan friesen
That's the straw man.
jordan holmes
Nobody thinks that.
dan friesen
That's the straw man he's creating of the developments.
jordan holmes
Even the most paranoid person is still like, oh, Alex is a bit player.
Come on, man.
dan friesen
Even us, who spent hundreds of hours going over his rise in 2015 into the Trump campaign, we never thought he was smart.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
We always thought...
No.
The obvious thing is he's being fucked with by people over and over again.
Roger Stone is fucked with him to an insane degree.
jordan holmes
Delightful.
dan friesen
And he also is running a scam operation that is easily manipulatable.
unidentified
Oh man, we could get a...
jordan holmes
Pen Dragon type situation with Roger Stone in jail.
Alex goes to visit him once every couple of months, writes things down in crayon, and he's like, here's what Roger Stone has to say.
dan friesen
Secretly, Roger Stone has been part of the secret space program for the better part of three decades.
jordan holmes
That's probably true.
If there is a secret space program, Roger's probably been involved.
dan friesen
That's not a tattoo of Nixon on his back.
That's a manta to be in.
Stupid.
jordan holmes
That would make more sense than most of what Nixon did.
dan friesen
So there's big news.
Big news coming out of the Trump world.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Right now.
And that is that there was a mole in his operation.
alex jones
Sure.
Other exhibits.
We broke this last Sunday with Roger Stone on the Sunday show, but now the New York Times broke it today.
FBI spy op exposed.
Trump campaign infiltrated by longtime CIA MI6 asset.
Cambridge professor Stefan Helper.
dan friesen
That is a zero-hedge headline.
He's claiming that it's mainstream news and the New York Times.
He's just reading a zero-hedge headline.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
The other headlines are about it that I've found are Trump says his campaign was infiltrated or something like that.
jordan holmes
Also, even if his campaign was infiltrated, doesn't the FBI and the CIA have plants in most white nationalist organizations?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think that's just a reasonable thing to do.
dan friesen
Boy, I'll tell you what.
If you want to, like, say that our government had infiltrated Trump's campaign, that opens the door wide open for who else was in there infiltrating.
You probably don't want to think too much about that, Alex.
alex jones
That's another exhibit.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
Because unlike MSM, I'm not going to just sit here and tell you what I say is going on.
I'm going to show you what they admit is happening.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Do what now?
dan friesen
He reads another headline here real quick.
alex jones
And then I've got Bruce Edward Ivins, a name Comey and Mueller, hope you forget, and John P. O 'Neill, another name they hope you forget.
dan friesen
We're going to get into this a little bit later.
I know that those names probably don't ring a bell necessarily.
We'll get into it as Alex gets into it, so just leave it aside for right now.
alex jones
And then Michael R. Caputo.
And then another article, Robert Mueller is an amoral legal assassin.
He will do his job if you let him.
dan friesen
That's a headline from the Lyndon LaRouche Political Action Committee.
Not going to take that one all that seriously.
jordan holmes
The what?
The Lyndon LaRouche Political Action Committee?
dan friesen
Do you know about Lyndon LaRouche?
jordan holmes
They sound so on the up and up.
dan friesen
Do you know about LaRouche?
jordan holmes
I don't.
dan friesen
We don't have time.
We'll get into them another day.
jordan holmes
Piece of shit?
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
I'll get into that as well.
That's just some of the research I did since I got the call at midnight last night.
jordan holmes
Three headlines of some of the research you did.
alex jones
Since 3 in the morning, I was talking to Roger Stone.
dan friesen
Oh, so Roger Stone told you all about this.
Give you a direction to go off in.
So the idea that whatever is being said by the aides is being filtered through Roger to Alex.
So it's already third-hand information, even if any of it is real.
But then the research that he did is this McClatchy article, which we'll get back into.
We've talked about it in the past.
jordan holmes
Didn't read it.
dan friesen
We'll get back into it as Alex gets into it.
Then an article from Zero Hedge and an article from Lyndon LaRouche.
This political action committee.
This is not good research.
This is shoddy.
At best.
And they're not even things that connect.
They're headlines that sound like maybe they build to something, but they really don't.
It's a house made of straw.
Anyway, most of this special report is really Alex flexing.
He's really just trying to be like, I'm not scared of you, punks.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It's a lot of that.
And so here, he shit-talks Mueller a little bit.
alex jones
So, I'm going to lay this out right now.
For the average soulless corporate climber, having Robert Mueller breathing down your neck would be a really scary thing.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
And you would immediately try to grovel or roll over or find out how you could bend over to have them leave you alone.
I'm a heat-seeking missile.
I go towards the flak, towards the tyrants, because it's the mission I chose.
If you're going to do this fight, it's the way it is.
It's not heroic.
It's self-preservation to fight people like this.
America is about men.
jordan holmes
I smell an act of it.
alex jones
And women supporting them.
But it was about men fighting strong men, king rats.
And I know at the end of the day.
jordan holmes
Do you know what a rat king is?
alex jones
In the final equation, I'm on the right side of history.
Because my soul, my spirit, my gut feels aligned with God.
And that's the only master I'm serving.
jordan holmes
God, your God sucks.
alex jones
I'm not some Bible thumping.
Fake hypocrite or viper here.
jordan holmes
No, you are.
alex jones
I've got my own personal relationship with Jesus Christ, and that's my rock and where I stand and the focus of everything I do.
jordan holmes
It sounds unhealthy.
That's an unhealthy relationship.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If he does have a relationship with Jesus, then Jesus is an enabler, and we need to get him away from Alex.
dan friesen
Yeah, like Jesus is someone that Alex should be talking about at AA meetings.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
That's the relationship he seems to have.
I don't want to put too fine a point on this, but if Alex has a personal relationship...
Look, I don't like to criticize other people's spirituality or anything.
jordan holmes
I do.
dan friesen
Fine, then I'll do a little bit of it.
If Alex has a personal relationship with his conception of God, and God is fine with him getting drunk and screaming at women on the street, for example, or he's fine with him lying all the time, or he's fine with any of the other things that we've documented over the last year and a half, That god does suck.
It sucks so hard.
That is not a god in the vein of any tradition, except for maybe just hard Old Testament.
But even then, the commandments are very specific.
jordan holmes
They do tend to be hard.
I believe the penalty for breaking them is death.
dan friesen
One of them is don't lie.
jordan holmes
If I recall correctly.
dan friesen
One of them is don't lie, and boy, we've seen a lot of that.
jordan holmes
That would be a fun AA meeting whenever he finally goes to just like...
Oh, this fucking guy.
He allowed me to be a white nationalist for 25 years.
He allowed me to drink on air.
He pushed me.
Frankly, he pushed me to be mean and cruel to people.
And the man I'm talking about is Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Is the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
So he's not afraid of Mueller, but he is afraid of God.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Here's another person he's not afraid of.
alex jones
Now, let me go ahead and give you the big news.
I've got my message from Mueller.
And Hillary.
jordan holmes
What's that?
alex jones
And John McCain, all of them cursed.
I'm fine with that.
dan friesen
I don't like that Alex is like, he calls them walking brain tumors.
Because like, look, whatever you say about John McCain and not liking him, yeah, point taken, I agree with you.
I think it's a really fucking...
Fucked up, shitty thing to make fun of him having a brain tumor.
jordan holmes
I'm fine with it.
dan friesen
I'm sure you are.
I'm not.
I don't like that.
And the idea that he calls Hillary and McCain walking brain tumors, it's a cheap fucking ugly attack on a person's health.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Fuck them.
I don't give a shit.
dan friesen
You're on Alex's side.
jordan holmes
Fuck them.
I don't give a shit.
I don't!
unidentified
The New Agers call it the Force, but it's just God.
alex jones
The real power in this universe.
So let me try to walk through this as best I can.
jordan holmes
Do New Agers call it the Force?
dan friesen
No, they don't.
That's what Star Wars calls it.
jordan holmes
I'm pretty sure that's what Star Wars calls it.
dan friesen
New Age, Star Wars, one and the same.
unidentified
Same thing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, I don't know.
I don't want to discuss any more of your, like, not your ideas, but, like, I don't want to talk about it's okay to make fun of someone for having a brain tumor.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Just because they're awful doesn't make that fine for me.
jordan holmes
I understand.
dan friesen
Your position is your position.
Mine is mine.
jordan holmes
I understand your position, and I wish I was a good enough person to share it.
unidentified
But, uh, nah, fuck them.
dan friesen
I'm not.
jordan holmes
That's my philosophy on this right now.
dan friesen
I'm not.
jordan holmes
My philosophy is, hey, you enabled all of the deaths of millions, so go fuck yourself.
I hope you die of more brain tumors.
I hope John McCain's brain tumor gets a brain tumor that kills his brain tumor as the brain tumor kills him.
I don't give a fuck.
dan friesen
I honestly...
jordan holmes
I don't!
dan friesen
I agree with you in terms of like...
There are a lot of really awful people, often masquerading as decent people, and it's okay to not really care when bad things happen to them.
I also don't like engaging in schadenfreude.
To a certain extent.
jordan holmes
No, it's not schadenfreude.
I'm not enjoying his demise.
dan friesen
You enjoyed saying that last sentence.
jordan holmes
Well, it was fun.
But it's not like I'm enjoying it in an ironic way.
I'm not enjoying a bad person trip and fall.
I am enjoying the universe providing some small semblance of cosmic justice.
He should die in the most painful possible fucking way that he can.
dan friesen
You've just described schadenfreude.
jordan holmes
Anyway, that's not schadenfreude.
dan friesen
Yeah, it is.
You're delighting in the pain of another person.
Just because you view it as some sort of cosmic justice doesn't take away...
jordan holmes
It's not delight!
dan friesen
Yes, it is!
jordan holmes
Look at your face!
dan friesen
It's fury!
jordan holmes
It's fury!
dan friesen
You're delighted by fury!
jordan holmes
Well, I am a bit of an addict.
dan friesen
There we go.
Anyway, in this next clip, Alex Jones finally gets to that McClatchy article in a little bit of detail, which allows us to discuss what he's talking about.
alex jones
Let me go to...
The first document that I raised here from McClatchy about 10 months ago, 12 months ago, whatever you got to look at.
unidentified
This is the speed at which you read the book at best.
alex jones
And what does it say?
It says in the House Intelligence Committee...
And in the Senate Armed Services Committee and then in the committees involved with elections, the big heavy hitters came in.
And I was told about this at the time.
And they said, we want Breitbart executives and we want InfoWars executives.
jordan holmes
Oh my God, spit it out!
alex jones
And there were congressional hearings where They would have board of governor members of the FCC and others on saying Infowars is a Russian intelligence operation.
No judge, no jury.
Incredible defamation.
dan friesen
That's not what they said.
alex jones
And we want it shut down.
And I've played those clips many times.
But I noticed what Main Street Media did.
It was in Reuters.
It was in McClatchy.
But they would make jokes like, oh, Alex Jones claims he's being investigated by Mueller.
It's in the McClatchy article.
In fact, this is the first place that you learn about Cambridge Analytica.
Because they want Alex Jones investigated.
They want Breitbart investigated.
They want Roger Stone investigated.
And they want Cambridge Analytica that you don't hear about for nine months, ten months later.
dan friesen
You didn't hear about it, Alex.
You didn't.
alex jones
First couple months of 2018.
jordan holmes
Well, he did, but he pretended he didn't.
alex jones
So this is the roadmap of McClatchy that was actually at the hearings.
dan friesen
So I want to read to you a couple of choice clips from this McClatchy article that Alex is talking about.
That he's saying is declaring him a Russian agent and all this shit.
Quote, Right.
Right.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Also, the article goes on to say, quote, the investigation of the bot-engineered traffic, which appears to be in its early stages, is being driven by the FBI's counterintelligence division, whose inquiries rarely result in criminal charges and whose main task is to reconstruct the nature of the Kremlin's cyber attack and determine ways to prevent another.
Right.
unidentified
It's not even like the...
jordan holmes
Well, it's a very simple question that you need to ask in order to get the negative you need.
If bots...
Are targeting these stories specifically to post in response to specific times, well, are they working together or are the bots doing it on their own?
That's a really simple question.
dan friesen
The timeline is difficult.
It does come to...
I hate to sound like a stereotypical TV.
But it comes to intent, you know?
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Like, it does come down to that, and that is not immediately apparent.
And that's one of the things that we have difficulty with, like, in terms of nailing down specifics.
It's like, is he really, is he meaning to do this?
Like, when we uncovered in the end of 2015, Alex talking about how his traffic had doubled, and his sales hadn't risen at all.
Is there a cognizance there of why that happened?
It's all automated traffic.
Or is he completely in the dark and just confused about all this?
We can't know for sure.
But we can say, this is what Alex is describing.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And we know pretty clearly that his site is being artificially inflated at that time frame.
But we don't know.
jordan holmes
And if you're investigating this and you just assume that there is no connection between the two of them, you're not doing your job.
dan friesen
That's not an investigation.
jordan holmes
No, exactly.
Even if the answer is no, and it's most likely no.
dan friesen
It's very possibly no.
jordan holmes
If you don't ask that question and just assume it, you're a moron.
dan friesen
Right, because then you have to go back and be like...
We should have looked at that.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
And not just that, but I mean, think about all the questions that seem so obvious in retrospect that just were assumed weren't the case.
Like, and also you assume, like, it seems like the simplest question to be like, hey, were you working with the Russians?
And the answer is no.
But if you look at the Russia, or if you look at Mueller's investigation, it's like, are you guys working with the Russians?
I don't know.
Wait, what do you mean you don't know?
I mean, maybe.
What do you mean maybe?
I mean, yeah, we totally did.
No, it should be more than three questions.
If you're a better liar, it should last longer.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
So that's what the McClatchy article is really about.
It's just about the questions that are coming up in terms of...
The social media side.
Because that's where a lot of this took place.
There's even a quote in this McClatchy article at the end here that is really telling in terms of where the mindset of folks were.
Here's a quote.
Here's a quote.
Krutskik told a conference of Russian computer security officials that the Putin government would be unleashing a cyber-nuclear attack reminiscent of Russia's 1949 development of the atom bomb.
Krutskik, whose speech was first reported by Washington Post columnist David Ignatius and independently confirmed by McClatchy, also reportedly said that the offensive would cause U.S. officials to gain respect for Russia's cyber capabilities.
This information space and social media being such a wide open area, that's a very obvious place where investigations would be happening.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The idea that Alex is spinning this into, like, just because he's mentioned in the article, they don't say, like, he's doing this or he's a Russian agent.
They bring him up in terms of, like...
He posted a lot of...
Boasted a lot of shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Breitbart and Four Wars are, like, the two main places where, like, stupidly pro-Trump shit was happening.
jordan holmes
An insane amount of insanely pro-Trump shit.
dan friesen
And especially in terms of, like, very visible voices.
People who were very clearly taking in.
jordan holmes
And were diehards, too, with no.
Pushback.
With no pushback.
It would be way less suspicious if at that time they had run even one article that was like, Trump is a piece of shit.
Any one of those people would be like, well, maybe there's a difference between the two.
dan friesen
Alex did plenty of that right before.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Right before he switched, he was doing plenty of that Trump is a mob guy.
jordan holmes
Just like Putin winning an election with 97%, you're like...
That's suspicious, and it's obviously stupid.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
If you're 100% pro-Trump in that time, that's suspicious, because you're not a human being if you're 100% pro-Trump, pro-anything.
dan friesen
Well, but also imagine, like, another election in another country where you have a very prominent conspiracy theorist propagandist, clearly gun for hire, who is like, I don't trust this guy, he's mobbed up, all this, bop-ba-doop-ba-doop.
And then one of that guy's close associates becomes a major player at his news organization, his propaganda outfit.
Right.
And seemingly all of a sudden he starts shifting everything to this guy is the only person who can save us.
If you take it outside of the American context and put it as just an abstract thing, you're like, I see what's going on here.
If you depersonalize it a little bit and take it away from the context that we know it in, the picture becomes very...
Suspicious.
unidentified
Hmm.
jordan holmes
That 180 degree turn had an 11G strength to it, and human beings can't survive that.
So I think we might have an issue here.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So in this next clip, Alex does some analysis, and then he says something really fucked up about Roger Stone.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
But I want to just go over this, because they think you're stupid as viewers.
They think you don't have any memory or...
They think you don't watch long videos.
You watch, like, two-minute videos on average.
jordan holmes
No, you think that.
alex jones
They're just going to say, oh, Jones claims Mueller's investigating him because that elevates InfoWars.
They want to have the fake investigation go forward and just have me arrested or set up, and then it's like, oh, look at that traitor.
You know, he's going to jail.
And I'm going to explain that whole program as well because I want the establishment to know I'm aware of what they're doing.
I mean, I've got the bird's-eye view of this.
dan friesen
Nope.
alex jones
But let me just go ahead and hurry through this.
jordan holmes
Please.
alex jones
This is an article from almost a year ago.
dan friesen
14 months.
alex jones
Where you've got the Democratic Party coming in and saying, we want Alex Jones shut down.
And that there is an FBI investigation into us for espionage with the Russians.
Okay, so we're almost a year later.
What's happening now?
jordan holmes
A lot of people are getting indicted.
alex jones
In the last four days, six...
People associated with Roger Stone, who plays up that he's this big political operative.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit!
alex jones
Really just a funny guy and interesting, and I've never seen anything politically he's done that's corrupt, actually.
What?
dan friesen
He was involved in Watergate.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What do you mean I've never seen him do anything that's not politically corrupt?
dan friesen
Alex, he works with you.
That's nonsense.
That's crazy.
That to me is like...
Wow.
That's amazing.
jordan holmes
I've never seen him do anything politically correct.
He's just a funny guy.
Everything.
Everything.
Everything he does.
dan friesen
Right.
This is the new strategy, though, probably.
Be like, I'm not really involved.
jordan holmes
What are you talking about?
unidentified
I ran Trump's campaign for months.
dan friesen
Oh, also, I've been involved with Ferdinand Marcos.
jordan holmes
That wasn't a big deal, though.
I was a bit player.
dan friesen
Through my consultancy firm with Lee Atwater and Paul Manafort.
jordan holmes
Hey, let me point you back to what that Nixon official said and said he was just a rat who was always on the edges.
I'm just a rat who was always on the edges, guys!
unidentified
You don't gotta worry about me!
jordan holmes
I'm a funny guy!
I got a Nixon tattoo on my back!
unidentified
Come on!
Hey!
jordan holmes
What kind of funny guy would do that?
Yeah, this guy!
dan friesen
He got in the back of cigar shops!
jordan holmes
Who's got two thumbs and has never done anything politically corrupt?
unidentified
This guy!
jordan holmes
That's me!
dan friesen
That's crazy!
That, like...
That, to me, is a tell.
That's a pathetic tell.
Yeah.
Because other times when Alex has talked about Roger, he's been like, he's been involved on the deepest levels.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Of course.
Of course.
jordan holmes
That's his credit when you introduce him on InfoWars.
This guy is involved.
dan friesen
He's a rat fucker.
jordan holmes
This guy is everywhere.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, that's hilarious.
jordan holmes
That is so good.
alex jones
But he plays into the whole villain thing they push on him.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Do you mean he pushes on us?
alex jones
And so, they grab Michael R. Caputo, who worked for the Trump campaign, they grab a bunch of other people, and when they're in these meetings with them, for eight hours, six hours, three hours, the longest was eight hours, they just keep going back to Alex Jones.
So, Alex Jones is kind of in charge of things.
dan friesen
What, like at InfoWars?
alex jones
Alex Jones, does he talk to the Russians?
Alex Jones, he's financing all this, right?
He's paying for campaigns.
He's giving people money.
dan friesen
Sort of.
jordan holmes
We don't even know Alex Jones.
alex jones
Roger Stone is a commentator, just like he's been a paid commentator on Fox for 10 years.
Not anymore.
I wonder why.
He's on the payroll at Infowars.
He's got to give us analysis.
dan friesen
Keep saying racist shit on the air.
jordan holmes
Can't let that.
dan friesen
No, got to get out of here.
The idea that these people are being grilled about, like, Alex is in charge, right?
That's probably, like, he is in charge of everything at InfoWars.
There's not another guy who might be named Buckley who's secretly running things behind the scenes.
jordan holmes
There isn't a Rob Dew who's actually the power player behind this whole game.
dan friesen
The mysterious puppet master or something.
I'm sure that that's more of the questions they're asking.
And, let's be fucking honest, I would say any investigation would be derelict in its duty if they didn't ask, do you know if they talked to the Russians?
Because we...
A podcast run out of my bedroom between two dudes who are busy in other aspects of their life managed to dig up a clip of Alex admitting he talked to Russian intelligence agents from his own show.
So asking like, hey, you know, because if I were...
jordan holmes
Yeah, again!
Why ask people questions?
Just listen to Alex's show.
He tells you all the answers.
dan friesen
If I were working for law enforcement, what I would do is I would make Alex do an interview under oath.
And I would ask him if he's ever spoken to Russian intelligence.
And then he would say no.
And then I would bring up that clip and be like, would you like to discuss what you were talking about there?
And then either have him admit...
That he made up the entire story, or be like, well, you just lied to federal investigators.
jordan holmes
Nah, you do one, you do the other, no big deal.
dan friesen
I mean, it's a trap.
It's obviously a trap, but it's a trap he set for himself.
jordan holmes
I know!
dan friesen
You know, so it's like, you have indicated that you talk to Russian intelligence, or you have spoken to them.
You have had Alexander Dugan on your show multiple times.
unidentified
Right after the election, you were on his show, and he told you that you were the...
dan friesen
Greatest example of an American that he's ever seen.
Anti-Americanism is over in Russia because of you.
jordan holmes
And here's how you would get Alex to tell the truth.
You'd be like, and we agree.
And Alex would be like, okay, sweet.
So let me tell you all the shit that the Russians told me to do.
dan friesen
This might be a better angle.
jordan holmes
Yeah, just flatter him the same way Alexander Dugan would do, and he'd be admitted to all the crimes.
dan friesen
Alex, look, I know we're the FBI, but secretly we're on board.
jordan holmes
We're all huge fans of this.
dan friesen
We're all huge fans.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Hey, for real?
And your next show?
Tell everybody about this interview and what you said in it.
Look, tell them what we told you.
Do it.
You're the greatest.
You're the best.
dan friesen
Alex, here's a state secret.
jordan holmes
Too easy.
Too easy to trick an idiot.
dan friesen
So Alex, at this point, presents the theory that he has that he is the victim of Goebbels-style propaganda.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
alex jones
Clearly, here's the key, this is being done to politically and culturally assassinate my character and make me a bad guy so that people believe some incredible asinine thing that's about to happen.
Joseph Goebbels, the chief Nazi propagandist, famous...
jordan holmes
Whom I have admired in the past.
alex jones
...in letters that are public.
dan friesen
Real quick, just for fun, Goebbels was largely inspired by Edward Bernays and his work.
Edward Bernays trained Jerome Corsi, who works for InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Don't worry about it.
dan friesen
Six degrees of Goebbels, the new game at InfoWars.
alex jones
It's the big lie theory.
Dumb the propaganda down, Fuhrer leader, but also go over the top with the lie.
dan friesen
That perfectly describes InfoWars.
It's very stupid stuff.
It's very dumb.
To the point where it's accessible if you dropped out of third grade and you are just angry and don't know anything about the world.
It's accessible.
jordan holmes
Also, by the way, Wesley Snipes...
Was in Major League with Charlie Sheen.
Charlie Sheen has been on Alex Jones' show.
Alex Jones has Jerome Corsi working for him.
dan friesen
So we're going Wesley Snipes to Gerbils?
jordan holmes
Wesley Snipes is six degrees away from Gerbils.
dan friesen
I could go quicker.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah?
I was trying to go as far away in the weirdest possible way.
dan friesen
Wesley Snipes...
jordan holmes
Is that why Wesley Snipes actually...
dan friesen
I can do better.
jordan holmes
Is that why he...
dan friesen
Hold on, hear me out.
jordan holmes
Hear me out.
He evaded taxes.
dan friesen
Hear me out.
unidentified
Why?
jordan holmes
Goebbels.
dan friesen
Wesley Snipes didn't pay his taxes.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Erwin Schiff says you shouldn't pay your taxes.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
His son Peter Schiff was on Alex's show.
jordan holmes
Like it?
dan friesen
Alex works with Jerome Corsi, Jerome Corsi, Bernays, Bernays, Goebbels.
unidentified
Done.
Six.
jordan holmes
Done.
unidentified
Boom.
Done.
dan friesen
None of those were movies.
So anyway, Alex thinks that he's the victim of a big lie style.
It's just so big that it has to be true.
They wouldn't lie like this.
And to that, I would say, Alex, your globalist thing is the biggest lie of all.
That says that they drink children's blood and that they're demonic and they're possessed by a force outside of our dimension or whatever.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's a big lie.
jordan holmes
Well, that's satire.
dan friesen
Satire.
unidentified
Satire.
dan friesen
That's a big lie.
jordan holmes
It's the biggest lie.
unidentified
Anyway.
jordan holmes
It's his entire worldview.
His entire worldview is a lie.
dan friesen
It just gets fascinating to me when a propagandist starts complaining about propaganda.
It becomes like this weird Ouroboros.
Yeah.
unidentified
Well, I didn't know you could do it to me.
dan friesen
You're thrilled that your audience is that dumb.
They don't see through.
When you talk about propaganda...
It accurately describes your show.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And it's just a treat that people don't see through.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Yeah, your only response to that, if you're a propagandist, legitimately should be like, game-recognized game, man.
I don't know what to tell you.
That guy is crushing it.
dan friesen
So, do you want to know what this is really all about?
This dealership?
jordan holmes
Ooh, boy.
I do.
dan friesen
It's all about destroying...
jordan holmes
The family?
dan friesen
Real media.
unidentified
Oh!
alex jones
They are demonizing Infowars as the precedent to destroy real media, as the statute to say that they can preemptively shut down news and shut down info and deplatform it internet-wide.
dan friesen
It ain't news, brother.
alex jones
Communist Chinese-style censorship.
And even the CEO of News Corp three months ago in the Wall Street Journal said this.
We're going to deplatform WikiLeaks and Alex Jones and ISIS.
Weird trio.
And once we've got acceptance of that, we're going to deplatform everybody, including Drudge Report.
jordan holmes
I kind of put them all together, though.
I'm down.
I'm down with that.
alex jones
And once we've deplatformed them, then it'll just be 100 corporations or less.
Well, he said 100 news sites.
So that's what will be allowed on Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube.
jordan holmes
That's the new supermarket sweep, by the way.
100 corporations or less.
alex jones
And I even see people like Drudge Report backing away from us.
And just everyone.
Don't you guys get it?
Oh, they do.
Daily Caller and everywhere.
Once they get me.
They're going to get you.
dan friesen
Coward.
alex jones
And by the way, if I wanted to sell these guys, I would have done it a long time ago.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
I'm following this course to the end, and I'm proud of what I've done.
I'm just ashamed that when push comes to shove down at the end of the line, people are playing it safe here.
This is not the time to play it safe.
Playing it safe is what leads you into total destruction.
dan friesen
Debatably, the opposite is proving to be true.
For you.
jordan holmes
In a certain...
Actually, in a certain sense, I agree with him.
dan friesen
I don't.
jordan holmes
Like, they should be...
Like, those idiots should be backing Alex.
dan friesen
Not a chance.
jordan holmes
Because he's right.
dan friesen
No, he's not.
jordan holmes
Because if they do get Alex Jones, they can go for...
What is Breitbart and the Daily Caller but Alex Jones?
dan friesen
Breitbart's changed.
jordan holmes
It's the same fucking bullshit.
dan friesen
Breitbart's changed considerably.
jordan holmes
I don't care if they've changed.
If you're going to get Alex Jones for the time period where he was the bitch that he is, then you get Daily Caller up with that.
dan friesen
I disagree.
Here's the real issue.
In the same way that I proposed that thought experiment where we looked at Alex Jones' pivot outside of America for a second there.
I want to take this to another...
What we need to do is we need to take politics and actual rhetoric kind of out of it.
What we have is a bunch of people who are running scams.
They're running various cons to a certain extent.
You have Drudge Report, Daily Caller, Breitbart, InfoWars.
They're all running cons of different description.
Most of it is about clickbait.
Most of it is about driving traffic.
With Alex, for a long time it was about selling gold for Ted Anderson.
Sure.
And then it became selling weirdo supplements.
For Breitbart, you know, ad revenue was certainly very high in terms of ads they could sell.
Same thing with Daily Caller.
A lot of these publications aren't really interested in publishing real shit.
They're about, like, a scam.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
They're running a scam.
And all of them know it.
They all know it.
jordan holmes
They should.
dan friesen
And so when one of them gets put in the hopper, they know that the other person knows that they're running a scam.
You know what I'm saying?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, if you and I were both guys who were running online scams, and because of your behavior, you were getting investigated for something, I would also back off from you.
Because I don't want my scam to blow up.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And it's not going to.
This isn't going to spill over into all of conservative media.
jordan holmes
Look, there's something about scammers that I do believe in America, and that is scammers all hang together, or they all hang separately.
dan friesen
That's not true at all.
The ones who survive are the ones who get the fuck away from the heat.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's definitely true.
You're right.
dan friesen
The ones who lay low and are like, let's wait for this to blow over.
We can restart our scam.
jordan holmes
I agree with you.
Which is one of the big problems with America.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
But it's just too hard.
There's too much to get into.
Investigations of these people would be a resource suck in terms of...
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's a necessary one.
dan friesen
Yeah, I agree.
jordan holmes
That would improve the lives of everyone.
dan friesen
I agree.
To a certain extent, we're not the feds, but...
I think I'm doing that with Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Getting some real interesting results from 2009, but you fuckers don't want to hear it.
jordan holmes
Oh, Dan.
dan friesen
We're going to stick in the present.
jordan holmes
Dan, now you're being petty towards our listeners.
dan friesen
I am being petty, I'm sorry.
jordan holmes
You can be petty towards Alex all you want.
Give me your 14 months all day.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex is manly, and he wants to talk about it in this next clip.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
Now is the right time to say that.
dan friesen
And then we get to the end of this clip, and he says something very weird that I think indicates that he's stupid.
alex jones
And I can't believe how weak the globalists are that I'm one of their biggest threats.
And that I'm the focused, dedicated, strong, like the North Star, rock.
I thought other men were like me.
But you know, they really weren't actually.
I remember growing up.
Even the biggest bully would start some fight because they weighed 100 more pounds than you, but when their head was hit in the concrete, they weren't laughing anymore.
By the way, the FBI and all these other cowards know the truth.
They've got my whole background.
They know I don't talk crap.
They know I don't write checks when I can't cash.
I just know this.
If I'm the last man standing, so be it.
jordan holmes
I think our boy Hamdi Ulukaya would disagree.
alex jones
If I gave into the system, so be it.
Because out of what we do here, just like the Alamo in 1836, We'll come the example to others to actually start acting like men.
jordan holmes
They were the bad guys.
alex jones
You know, the average American out there is an incredibly strong person, whether they be old, young, black, white, male, female, you name it.
They want liberty.
They want strength.
They're ready to stand up.
But it's all the so-called smart people that sign on to all this cowardice that make me sick.
jordan holmes
You meddling kids!
unidentified
You meddling kids!
jordan holmes
Pause.
Pause.
Still pausing.
Pausing?
alex jones
The globalists...
jordan holmes
There we go.
alex jones
Use modern society and its complexity to con people.
unidentified
*laughter*
alex jones
You know what?
dan friesen
The globalists couldn't trick you if you were like, you have a potato, I have a peach, let's trade.
They couldn't fucking con us if everything was just resource-based barter.
I understand what he's saying, but what he's kind of saying is...
jordan holmes
They're doing what I'm doing.
dan friesen
No, I don't think that's the case, because I don't think anyone's manipulating because of complexity.
jordan holmes
No, but that's what he's doing.
dan friesen
I think what Alex is saying is, man, I can't figure out the world.
jordan holmes
Well, that's actually a really good point, because what I'm hearing throughout this entire thing is that Alex is...
dan friesen
He's lost.
unidentified
Confused.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All of these long pauses are him being like, I really can't figure out this game.
And usually...
I can figure out a game.
dan friesen
Well, I think there's a piece of that, and I think that's because back to the wall, he doesn't have anything.
You know, like in terms of his worldview and all this, he can rattle off subsections and article headlines and stuff all day.
jordan holmes
But when it comes to exhibits, he doesn't really have any.
dan friesen
Well, when it comes to, like, if Alex had to prove his case, like, let's say, in a court, he knows he can't do it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he knows that probably because he's had to do some dark soul searching lately.
jordan holmes
You would at least hope.
dan friesen
So there's a piece of that where he's like, all my flowery language is all for naught.
There's a part of that, I think, that's in there.
And then there's another part that I think...
I have a thesis.
And I think Alex is about to sell out.
jordan holmes
How so?
dan friesen
Well...
jordan holmes
Which direction are we going?
dan friesen
I want to wait until a little bit later to explain my theory.
jordan holmes
You teasing son of a bitch.
dan friesen
Because there's a clip that'll help make my point.
jordan holmes
You teasing bullshitter.
dan friesen
I think Alex is getting ready to jump off the, maybe even cash out, quite frankly.
jordan holmes
Oh, like for real?
dan friesen
Well, I don't...
jordan holmes
Like call it a fucking night.
dan friesen
I'm not entirely sure, and we've made so many stupid predictions in the past, but if we are just going by his rhetoric, and that's why I have to wait for a later clip to really spell this out, but I think there's a part of him that realizes like...
I've kind of hit the natural conclusion of where this is going to go.
I can keep saying that Trump is rolling up pedophile networks and destroying the globalists, and he can keep saying he's a globalist and a nationalist, and that he wants to take the guns early, and he can keep attacking people when I say that it's no big deal that he does it.
He's like, I can't push this much further.
I've kind of come to the end of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so I think...
I think there's a bit of it in this special report.
jordan holmes
I'm going to need that clip because right now his bullheadedness suggests that he's going to flame out the way that he's supposed to, which is in a pile of ignominy.
dan friesen
We'll get to it in about five clips.
But for now, Alex explains in this next clip how he's super honorable.
alex jones
Because they're scum.
dan friesen
Real quick, I want to say that this also feeds into my theory.
He keeps talking about how he's...
The last man, and he's honorable, and all this stuff.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And I think that's the part of the build-up to the prestige, to a certain extent.
jordan holmes
Okay, he's got to John Wayne it, then.
unidentified
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
He's got to go John Wayne and the searchers and just walk away from the whole thing.
dan friesen
He's building his sacrifice.
jordan holmes
Yeah, okay.
All right.
alex jones
They're the only people that will occupy that zone of corruption, and so that zone of corruption of dishonorable people is able to siphon off of the largesse of humanity and build.
A huge strata.
dan friesen
Also, if this doesn't make sense, don't worry.
It doesn't.
alex jones
Of really bad, wicked, psychotic, sociopathic, sadistic people who then start building new systems to expand their control even greater.
But they always look at the honorable, strong, truthful people, and they feel defeated by it.
So that's why they're always trying to extinguish freedom, even though they're the ones siphoning off the great largesse and the great treasure that freedom creates.
They are siphoning it off.
They are stealing it.
They are transferring it.
But they still seek to extinguish the light because it reminds them of what horribly fallen, cowardly people they are.
dan friesen
Checks out.
alex jones
So I chose my destiny.
I chose.
jordan holmes
That's not how destiny works.
alex jones
To be honorable, to be strong, to be truthful, that means I don't make mistakes.
dan friesen
Many.
alex jones
Because that was the right path.
That's where I felt like I was in God's grace.
I could feel the Spirit strong.
I'm like a heat-seeking missile going after these people because I'm really a heat-seeking missile going after God, going towards that Spirit.
jordan holmes
And I'm going to blow his ass up.
alex jones
The whole universe opens up.
I just want to be with God.
Doesn't mean my flesh is weaker.
I still want to be with God.
And they know that, folks.
They know.
That's why they tell you I'm a liar or I'm corrupt or all this crap.
Because they know.
dan friesen
They know.
They know.
So, um...
jordan holmes
Boy!
Boy, howdy, Dan.
dan friesen
This is a defeated man kind of presenting himself.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
A little bit like, I tried to be good.
I chose my destiny.
And I chose to be honorable.
All that's past tense stuff.
But that's why they're going to paint me as a villain.
Because he knows.
He knows very well on some level that once they start really releasing information that they have on Roger Stone, it all leads to Infowars.
And not that Alex is in cahoots with Russia or anything like that, but really problematic, difficult questions to answer about what were you doing.
jordan holmes
Again, a very short FBI deposition.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So what were you up to?
Oh, I did all that shit.
Wait, no, I was asking you just a very simple question.
Whatever it is you think I did, I totally did it.
dan friesen
In what plausible kind of reality were you unaware of what was going on?
jordan holmes
I had no idea!
You just said that you did it all, but I didn't know!
dan friesen
Right!
jordan holmes
Hey, come on!
dan friesen
So I think that he's aware of that, and now that like...
Back when it was like Roger Stone got taken in for questioning that wasn't on the record and wasn't under oath, you can spin that and be like, I told them to stick it up their asses or whatever.
jordan holmes
Like ISIS and Trump.
dan friesen
You can play tough with that, but once the aides start getting subpoenaed and once this thread is getting pulled, the sweater is coming undone.
We're in reason territory.
jordan holmes
Again, the fact that Stone is still in this country boggles my mind.
dan friesen
Again, I think it's because he cut a deal.
But either way, at whatever rate, which is what I'm going to try and say instead of be that as it may from now on.
jordan holmes
Nice.
I like it.
dan friesen
At any rate, Alex this whole time has been saying that he's going to get to his message to Mueller.
He's going to give him a WWE style promo.
jordan holmes
Going to give him a talking to.
dan friesen
You cannot imagine what he's going to accuse Mueller of doing.
In this next clip.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
alex jones
The FBI...
jordan holmes
Bestiality?
dan friesen
Nope.
unidentified
Ah.
alex jones
Trying to set me up.
The FBI, over time, working on trying to find something wrong that I've done.
jordan holmes
Co-Intel Pro.
alex jones
My message is this to you.
I'm not afraid.
I'm not in a gang like you.
I'm not trying to join the system.
And the intimidation, the threats, all the stuff that's come in the last 20 plus years.
Has only made me a stronger advocate of freedom and has only confirmed what I already know.
But my message is this to Robert Mueller.
Robert, I know what you did in Vietnam.
And I know...
dan friesen
Real quick, because you said what's up over it.
jordan holmes
Sorry.
dan friesen
He did just say, I know what you did in Vietnam.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
dan friesen
Because it doesn't clarify.
jordan holmes
What did Robert do in Vietnam?
dan friesen
I think this is Corsi's influence, because, you know, he did the swift boat shit.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I think he's probably, like, trying to be like, hey, he also did bad shit in Vietnam.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And guess what?
Everyone in America...
Everyone...
jordan holmes
Everybody in America did bad shit in Vietnam.
dan friesen
No, that's not true.
And I hate to paint all of the soldiers that were there as doing bad things, but the mission was bad.
And a lot of people did a lot of really fucked up stuff.
So the blame goes a lot of directions.
Also, let's be super clear.
You can't just say that.
You need to say what you're talking about.
jordan holmes
It's probably a smart idea.
Like, when I say I didn't want Haspel as the director of the CIA, I'm going to say that because she tortured people personally, and she is a fucking liar who covered it up.
And I don't give a fuck what happens beyond that.
She tortured people.
She let it up.
No!
No.
The answer's no.
The answer's no.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And I will tell you why.
Because of the fucked up shit she did in the Iraq War.
dan friesen
Now, the equivalent for Alex would be like, I don't like her because what she did in the war.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
What do you mean?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You just said, I know what you did in Vietnam, Robert Mueller.
Doesn't mean anything.
alex jones
That you were recruited by another agency.
And I also know...
jordan holmes
Recruited by another agent?
alex jones
John P. O 'Neill was recruited by the CIA as well.
And I understand that O 'Neill was brought in on the plan to blow up the World Trade Centers.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And worked with Saudi Arabia to do it.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
And I know he even gave speeches in England right before he died as the head of security for the World Trade Center.
He died on 9-11.
I know you were involved in the groups and the teams that destroyed the World Trade Center and killed John P. O 'Neill.
I know you're a killer.
I know you were part of the teams that killed him that day and threw him into the wreckage.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
I also know that Bruce Edwards Ivins was the third Patsy.
One is known.
The other not.
The third known.
And I remember in local news, he was grabbed and taken to the hospital and then forcibly fed Tylenol until he died.
I noticed you guys had that expunged off the internet.
So listen.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
alex jones
If you'll kill an Army scientist and oversee it, you should be head of the CIA.
And if you'll kill the head of counterterrorism at the FBI for what you do, believe me, I know you're a murderer.
I know you're a cold-blooded killer.
And I watch all these demons and sycophants worship you because they worship the dark altar of evil.
But I don't worship that altar.
dan friesen
Cool.
Which one?
jordan holmes
There's a lot of dark alters of evil out there.
dan friesen
John P. O 'Neill, he was a counterterrorism expert.
jordan holmes
So if I understand correctly, before we go any further, Mueller did 9-11.
dan friesen
That's what he's saying.
jordan holmes
That's what he's saying?
dan friesen
Yes.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
So the 23 unreleased pages...
We're all like, oh, Mueller did that shit.
It was all Mueller's idea.
Saudi Arabia, clean bill of health.
Mueller.
dan friesen
No, he said that Saudi Arabia was working on it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but that was all Mueller's idea.
dan friesen
Mueller helped put the explosives in and what have you.
That's what he said.
jordan holmes
Wait, so his 9-11 truther isn't even just that Saudi Arabia was working with the government.
It's that...
Saudi Arabia was also part of the plot to put explosives in there?
I thought it was Bush's idea.
dan friesen
Who fucking knows?
This is all nonsense.
Anyway, John P. O 'Neill is a guy who was a counter-terrorism expert.
And he was in line for some jobs.
In early 2001, he was recommended to be the National Coordinator for Security, Infrastructure, Protection, and Counterterrorism after Richard A. Clark was going to move on, and he recommended John P. O 'Neill for that position.
John P. O 'Neill was not thrilled with it because the salary wasn't to his liking.
And around the same time, it became...
jordan holmes
Man, he should unionize.
dan friesen
It became known that the New York Times had scoop on him about how a little over a year earlier he had a briefcase stolen.
jordan holmes
And caused 9-11.
dan friesen
No.
But the briefcase did include classified documents and stuff like that.
And what it appears to be is that he was the victim of a theft.
But the story doesn't look good in terms of you keeping secure information.
jordan holmes
It's borderline.
You left classified documents in the taxi cab.
So maybe we don't trust you anymore.
dan friesen
In the fallout of it being known that this story was going to come out, he decided to retire and take a lucrative position that may or may not have been hooked up.
Great.
Great.
jordan holmes
They're always in the fucking game.
They're always in the fucking mix.
dan friesen
He became the head of security at the World Trade Center on August 23, 2001.
The salary of like $300,000 a year, I believe.
Great.
And he considered it retirement.
That's what he just thought.
It was like, well, I'm done with the counterterrorism stuff, and now I'm here.
Then, of course, 9-11 happened, and he died in the attacks.
But the conspiracy world has weaved all kinds of compelling narratives about...
Because he did research the initial 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center and the USS Cole bombing, he was someone who did have expertise to a certain extent on Al-Qaeda.
jordan holmes
So he was the inside man who knew how to blow up the World Trade Center.
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
He was the guy who was like, here's how you do it.
dan friesen
Alex is suggesting he's the one who wasn't on board, and so they put him in the tower.
That doesn't make sense.
He worked there for a month, three weeks before.
Why would he go to work?
jordan holmes
That's why they put him in the tower.
dan friesen
Right.
It's nonsense.
But it's not as big of nonsense.
jordan holmes
It's a classic double-cross, Dan.
dan friesen
It's not as big of nonsense as Bruce Edward Ivins.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Bruce Edward Ivins.
jordan holmes
Is actually Robert Miller.
dan friesen
Do you know who that is at all?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
He's the guy who was the anthrax mailer in 2001.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
A week after 9-11, a bunch of people, including Tom Brokaw, Senator Daschle, and Patrick Leahy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, I remember that.
dan friesen
They got letters that had anthrax spores in them, and the Department of Justice put out a long 90-page document explaining why it was him.
Boy, it's compelling.
jordan holmes
It was him?
dan friesen
It's convincing.
jordan holmes
It's probably him.
dan friesen
So I want to tell you a little about this.
So the Anthrax mailer killed five people and injured 17 in a campaign that started a week after 9-11 and ended a couple months later.
Some of the notes that were sent that had Anthrax in them, the one that was sent to Tom Brokaw said, in all capital letters, this is next.
jordan holmes
You always know it's important.
When you got all caps.
dan friesen
This is next.
Take penicillin now.
Death to America.
Death to Israel.
Allah is great.
In the letters that he sent to Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy, they said, You cannot stop us.
We have anthrax.
You die now.
Are you afraid?
Death to America.
Death to Israel.
Allah is great.
So, initially, Bruce Edwards Ivins was involved in the investigation of the letters because he was one of the world's foremost experts on cultivating and producing anthrax.
jordan holmes
Wait, hold up.
He actually was- he was brought in to investigate the letters of anthrax.
That he sent.
dan friesen
Well, at the time...
jordan holmes
That is some fucking Dexter shit right there.
dan friesen
At the time, no one had any sense that he had done it.
jordan holmes
Well, it seems like now it's an obvious thing in retrospect.
Who would be able to handle anthrax in a way such that he would be fine and that would kill his victim?
dan friesen
Other people in the lab.
jordan holmes
Oh, the guy who has an expertise in using anthrax.
dan friesen
But there's other people in the lab.
There's a certain amount of plausible deniability that got worn down, much like an old break.
He got away with it for seven years?
Yeah, until he committed suicide.
jordan holmes
He got away with it the whole time and then only his guilt killed him?
dan friesen
I'll explain why.
So, he was a senior researcher in biodefense at Fort Detrick in the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute on Infectious Diseases.
jordan holmes
What I always say is the best biodefense is the best bio-offense.
dan friesen
There's no doubt about it.
At the time, and for years, the FBI's investigation focused on Stephen Hatfield, another researcher at USAMRIID, who they had decided was a good suspect.
The FBI surveilled him and raided his home in hazmat suits multiple times.
So the whole nine yards of investigation.
After years of coming up with nothing solid, Hatfield was exonerated, and he sued the government in a case that was settled in 2008, with Hatfield being awarded $4.6 million.
jordan holmes
And he had Bruce Edward Ivins right next to him, and he was wearing a shirt that said, the guy next to me murdered everybody.
I'm with murderer?
dan friesen
In 2008, once Hatfield was exonerated, Ivan started demonstrating some erratic and suspicious behaviors.
On March 28, 2008, police were dispatched to Ivan's home where they found him unconscious and took him to the hospital.
In June of that year, he was involuntarily committed to a psychiatric hospital having shown a pattern of suicidal ideation.
In July, he was informed that he would be prosecuted for the anthrax attacks and according to his report, no one...
I couldn't find this from any government source, but he had told other people that he was facing the death penalty for it.
And so that was the mindset he was in.
On July 29th, he was found unconscious in his home, having taken two bottles of Tylenol PM, which they have receipts for, that he had bought right before.
He was taken to the hospital where he would die from liver and kidney failure after his family decided not to put him on a transplant list.
jordan holmes
Nah, dude.
You're the anthrax murderer.
dan friesen
So the FBI is...
jordan holmes
Also, gonna be honest, two bottles of Tylenol PM, that's a weak murder.
That's a weak way to kill yourself.
dan friesen
That's why he didn't die immediately.
jordan holmes
As a man who's fixated on killing himself, two bottles of Tylenol PM never went into the equation.
Because you're going to throw it up, man.
That's too many.
dan friesen
But if you keep it down, you will die from liver and kidney failure.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Then that's what he did.
jordan holmes
But not quick enough.
dan friesen
Right, but there...
jordan holmes
You don't want to take forever.
dan friesen
The odds of it being successful are better.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Than a lot of other methods, other than, like, straight-up gun to the head.
jordan holmes
You know what?
He's probably researched it more than I did.
dan friesen
Probably.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's a biologist.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, the evidence against him is...
jordan holmes
Why didn't he just take anthrax, for God's sakes?
dan friesen
That's a good question.
Well, because he didn't have access to it anymore in 2008.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
That's a fair point.
dan friesen
He had his access stripped away.
So the evidence against him is really convincing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I took all of this from the Department of Justice report.
You can find it.
It's online.
The spores that were sent in the mail were of a strain called RMR 1029, which is a strain that he was in exclusive control over in his USAMRIID lab.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
That seems pretty much open and closed right there.
dan friesen
Other people had access to it, but they've all been excluded and ruled out.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And many of the people interviewed were like...
There's no way we could have gotten access to it without him being involved.
Now, even more damning, in the months where the mailings were happening, Ivan started to work suspiciously high amounts of overtime, specifically in times when he would be alone in the lab.
From January 2001 to July 2001, he worked a total of 8 hours and 48 minutes in the lab after hours.
In August, he worked 11 hours and 15 minutes.
In September, 31 hours and 28 minutes.
jordan holmes
Gotta get that overtime pay, baby.
dan friesen
In October, 16 hours and 13 minutes.
In November, 6 hours and 20 minutes.
The pattern is of increased time alone in the lab when the attacks were happening, then a scaling back to normal after.
Now keep in mind, he would have had to signed into the lab their electronic access...
Stamps of when he was in there.
And to get into a lab that's dealing with anthrax, you have to take off your clothes and put on a special suit to go inside, and then afterwards take a shower and get into your normal clothes.
It's a cumbersome affair.
The idea that he's going there after hours is insane.
Ivins had no explanation for why he was working so much after hours, and there was no special project happening.
jordan holmes
Gotta get that overtime, baby!
dan friesen
There was no special project happening that could explain it.
He was just there for whatever.
jordan holmes
I got some gambling debts!
dan friesen
The reason that this is important is that in order to make anthrax usable, it has to be dried.
This is from the DOJ report.
jordan holmes
I think that is one of the problems with having such a complicated way of murdering people that limits the suspects so narrowly as to implicate you and like eight other guys.
dan friesen
From the DOJ report, quote, Drying anthrax spores requires either a sophisticated drying machine called a lyophizer, a speed vac, or a great deal of time and space to let the spores air dry.
jordan holmes
Like a bathtub.
dan friesen
That is, to allow the water to evaporate in the lab.
Because drying anthrax is expressly forbidden by various treaties, overt use of any of these methods, if noticed, would raise considerable alarm and scrutiny.
So, of course, you have to do it after hours.
jordan holmes
That's such a...
dan friesen
And guess what?
They happen to have a lyophaser, the equipment that you need to dry anthrax at that lab, that was requisitioned by Ivins.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
And in the paperwork says, property of Bruce Ivins.
jordan holmes
That's such a dude way to murder things, too.
It's that old joke about how men always wind up cheating on their spouses with the girl next door, and women only cheat on the road because they're not stupid.
He was like, well, I want to murder a lot of people, but I also want to make sure it's the only person that you can look to is me.
dan friesen
We'll get to how he tried to throw people off the trail later.
So it's believed that his motive was that funding and approval for his life's work...
jordan holmes
Did he wear, like, a complicated costume and then scare children away from his lab?
dan friesen
Nope, but his emails got left behind, let's say.
jordan holmes
God damn it!
dan friesen
So his life's work was the development of an anthrax vaccine, and the funding...
This is a supervillain origin story.
Totally.
And the only way to change things, he believed, was that for him to be able to continue his work was if something major happened to scare people about anthrax.
Interestingly, this is exactly what happened after the anthrax attacks.
They got approval and the funding that they needed to continue their research.
So it worked.
jordan holmes
This is a Spider-Man villain!
dan friesen
It is.
It is.
jordan holmes
This is crazy!
dan friesen
But he's also a lunatic.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, fucking obviously.
Did he fall into a vat of anthrax and then become 98% anthrax or something like that?
dan friesen
Bruce Ivins is a white terrorist, and in the vein of all white terrorists, there's a very strong history of...
jordan holmes
Domestic violence.
dan friesen
Not so much domestic violence in this case, but domestic...
Harassment.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So, Ivins was obsessed with two female colleagues at the point when this report was written.
jordan holmes
Ah, for fuck's sake.
dan friesen
Two former colleagues.
And in the period leading up to the anthrax attacks, he sent two of them disturbing emails about his mental health struggles.
He admitted to stealing one of their email passwords and reading their emails.
He also sent...
unidentified
He really wants to get caught at stuff.
dan friesen
He also sent this poem that appears to be an admission of schizophrenic tendencies to one of them.
I'm going to read this poem to you.
jordan holmes
Oh, that sounds nice.
dan friesen
I made up some poems about having two people in one, me and the person in my dreams.
Now here's where the poem begins.
jordan holmes
Oh, I was going to say, that's not a good start for your poem.
dan friesen
I'm a little dream self, short and stout.
jordan holmes
That's also not a good start for your poem.
dan friesen
I'm the other half of Bruce when he lets me out.
When I get all steamed up, I don't pout.
I push Bruce aside, then I'm free to run about.
Hickory Dickory Duck, Doc Bruce ran up the clock.
But something happened in a very strange rhythm.
His other self went and exchanged places with him.
So now, please guess who is conversing with you?
Hickory Dickory Duck, Bruce and this other guy, sitting by some trees, exchanging personalities.
It's like having two in one.
Actually, it's rather fun!
jordan holmes
Well, that was the worst bit Andrew Dice ever did.
That was the worst that Clay has ever done.
dan friesen
So, he's sending all these harassing, really kind of scary emails to them.
That's a really scary email!
jordan holmes
I do not want to receive that email!
dan friesen
There's a lot more where he's trying to play the two against each other and, like, telling them that they're the only people who really know him.
It's really fucked up stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And so, also, when he was hospitalized, he ended up in group therapy.
And in that time, he said some really fucked up things, ranging from threats to other people to basic admissions of guilt for having done the anthrax mailing.
Quote, as described in detail...
jordan holmes
Are you ready to share with the rest of the group?
Not until I anthrax all of you.
dan friesen
This is again from the DOJ report.
As described in detail in the mental health section Supra, at a group's therapy session on July 9, 2008, Dr. Ivins made a number of statements regarding the anthrax investigation and noted that he had a detailed plan involving a gun from his son and a bulletproof vest to kill, quote, co-workers and others who had wronged him.
When asked by other members of the group what he was concerned about if he was innocent, he reportedly just smiled.
Statements that he made also indicated that he had lost time.
Quote, the only reason I remember some of this stuff, it's because there's like a clue the next day.
Like there's an email or, you know, when you're in bed and you're like this, you know, that's not really fun.
It's like, oh shit, did I drive somewhere last night?
So he has a bunch of statements that he's made about waking up in his clothes and not knowing what he did the night before or seeing emails that he'd sent.
So he's...
Just a really fucked up, high intelligence dude.
jordan holmes
Now it's like, there's a part of me that now is like, maybe if you work with anthrax every day of your life, your brain's going to go fucked up, you know?
dan friesen
The rest of the people in his lab didn't.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
Never mind.
Retracted.
Statement retracted.
Although he was working overtime and they weren't.
He was murdering people concurrently, yes.
dan friesen
In November 2007, he sent himself a long 12-point memo trying to craft an explanation for how the two former female co-workers he was obsessed with were probably the ones who did the anthrax attack.
Hey, Bruce.
jordan holmes
It's Bruce.
How you been?
It's good to talk to you.
dan friesen
Here's a poem.
jordan holmes
Now we've got to figure this shit out.
dan friesen
So they had since stopped working with him and he felt they had abandoned him.
With Hatfield being cleared of charges, he knew he needed to shift the narrative and make someone else look suspicious to keep eyes off him, and it's a complete mess.
If you read those 12 points, they do not amount to anything.
Finally...
Bruce Ivins had a rich tradition of taking on aliases to send people things through the mail.
jordan holmes
There it is!
That's the winner right there.
dan friesen
He had sent one of his female co-workers a package ostensibly from Mia Hamm, which contained a soccer jersey.
jordan holmes
From Mia Hamm?
dan friesen
Which had a soccer jersey in it.
He also sent one of them...
jordan holmes
Look, I'm gonna be honest, shoot your shot, dude.
At least he goes hard.
He didn't pick anybody obscure.
He picked the most famous female soccer player at the time.
Love it.
dan friesen
He also sent one of them a box of Yankees memorabilia and a package marked from Derek Jeter.
jordan holmes
Alright, alright, alright.
This is a man who knows what's going on.
At least he supports women's sports as well.
This is a Title IX supporter, my friend.
dan friesen
If you look at the big picture, what you come away with very clearly is a guy who committed suicide because The jig was up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he was a tortured, mentally ill person.
And there's a tragedy there, but you cross the borderline and you start sending news organizations and politicians anthrax.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And you didn't even get the good ones.
dan friesen
Yeah, you've kind of crossed the Rubicon.
jordan holmes
You got all the bad ones.
dan friesen
So Alex is saying that Mueller, first of all, did 9-11.
Killed John P. O 'Neill and killed Bruce Ivins.
jordan holmes
In order to cover up that he was the one who did all the anthraxing.
dan friesen
All of it is bullshit.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Such bullshit.
This is exactly like when we were talking about the Madam and all those people that Alex said were murdered in the episode we did about Andrew Breitbart.
It's all just like...
He's just hoping that no one actually reads stuff and is like, eh.
Right.
This guy did it.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
So anyway, let's not get off focus.
This is really about how Hillary is ugly.
alex jones
And to Hillary!
jordan holmes
That sounds true.
alex jones
You are so demonically ugly.
You're so twisted.
You are such a caricature of a witch in all your crimes.
dan friesen
Anyway, I don't want to listen to the rest of this.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
At the end of this clip, he just prays for God's justice to come down on Mueller and what have you.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Whatever.
jordan holmes
I'm fine with that.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex says something that I'm...
jordan holmes
By no means is...
Mueller's been in the FBI for long enough to have committed all the crimes.
I'm fine with that.
dan friesen
Yeah, whatever.
So in this next clip, Alex says something that I'm pretty excited about.
alex jones
And so...
I'm all in.
dan friesen
I think that that is an announcement, that Alex Jones is going to be wrestling at the Bullet Club show, taking place here in Chicago.
Alex is all in.
This is very exciting.
This card is stacked.
Who's he wrestling?
Is he wrestling Rey Mysterio?
Oh my god, what a match.
jordan holmes
I don't think he will.
dan friesen
What a match.
jordan holmes
I don't think he will.
dan friesen
The Texan versus Rey Mysterio Jr.?
jordan holmes
I'm not going to lie to you, I don't think it's going to happen.
I don't think it will.
dan friesen
I'd like to see Alex get super kicked.
jordan holmes
I would.
dan friesen
Anyway, that's not what he's saying.
jordan holmes
I'd be in on that.
dan friesen
I just get really excited about Alex just being, I'm all in.
alex jones
I just trust God completely.
I'm almost guilty, but it's just the spirit's so strong.
I don't even pray to God to protect my children because God's going to do what God's going to do.
dan friesen
Kids are on your own.
alex jones
I'm all in.
That's what it means.
dan friesen
He's all in.
jordan holmes
He's all in.
alex jones
There's no provisos.
jordan holmes
I'm going to be at Money in the Bank!
alex jones
There's no backstops.
There's no fine print with me, man.
I'm all in.
dan friesen
He's all in!
alex jones
I'm a thousand percent on the dotted line with Jesus Christ against you people, and that's it.
And you know, that's why Hillary calls me a dark heart.
dan friesen
Alex Jones versus Rey Mysterio in a Soros mask.
jordan holmes
All right.
All right.
alex jones
Because, folks, I love God.
I love justice.
I love children.
jordan holmes
Don't think you do.
alex jones
I love little puppy dogs.
jordan holmes
I really don't think you do.
alex jones
I love the stars at night.
I love happiness.
And that's why I won't sit here and watch a bunch of murderous monsters sit there and devour this country and launch the Arab Spring and murder millions of innocent people and put radical Islam in charge all of the Middle East.
jordan holmes
Get back to the stars at night.
alex jones
The Arab invasion of Europe.
dan friesen
All right.
So you're just scared about Muslims moving in.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway.
jordan holmes
I just like him tossing in.
I love the stars at night.
I'm like you, humans.
I can relate to you on a human level.
Humans.
dan friesen
I take or leave the stars at night.
Whatever.
I've seen stars.
So, I mean, you know, Alex is all in.
Whatever.
But this is nothing.
I mean, this is an episode of nothing.
Like, he's saying nothing.
This is all stuff he said before.
Like, I will go to the bitter end.
Blah, blah, blah.
Whatever.
Who cares.
But...
In this next clip, we get to my theory that I was saying before, that I think Alex gives an indication in this next clip that he's getting ready to completely change himself.
alex jones
I'm damn proud to be in this position, and I'm willing to take whatever licks I get.
And if down the road they grab me and electro-shock me and roll me out as a gibbering idiot, that's not me.
My soul's gone.
dan friesen
I think that's preemptive.
I don't think he's going to come out like fucking McMurtry in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
But I think that the idea that he repackages himself, again, much like pro wrestling, shifts the narratives or whatever, he can then be like...
He could salvage something.
And people will forget that, hey, you know, he's...
jordan holmes
I'm just imagining Rob Dew as Nurse Ratched wearing that nurse dress.
dan friesen
I can see that.
jordan holmes
That's all I can think of right now.
dan friesen
I admit, this theory is stupid.
I'm just trying to find something that is like, oh, that's a weird bit of dialogue.
That's a weird piece of rhetoric.
But I think that this idea of if I trot out and I'm completely different...
Listen to the rest of it first.
alex jones
Don't let them ever demoralize you by telling them that I've turned against you or that I'm a liar or I'm not real or I'm an actor.
That's why they put all that out because they have to attack the real thing.
But I want Robert Mueller to know something.
unidentified
You are the head of the deep state now.
jordan holmes
He's the head of the deep state now.
dan friesen
Right, but Alex is like, don't let anyone ever tell you that I turned my back on you.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
If I come out and I sound completely different, it's because they've changed me.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Which is, in some way, he's launching a possibility for him to get a job at Fox News or something like that.
jordan holmes
I'm going to disagree with you on that one.
dan friesen
I am too.
But I'm floating it as a possibility because I need something to keep me interested in this bullshit.
Modern day is just a mess.
The idea that maybe he's like, you know, like, this is foreshadowing.
jordan holmes
That'd be fun.
dan friesen
Kind of fun.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, Mueller's the head of the deep state.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
It was McCain.
dan friesen
It was McCain?
What?
I thought it was Soros.
jordan holmes
He was the head of the deep state.
dan friesen
I thought it was Soros.
jordan holmes
Well, then he gave it to McCain.
alex jones
I'm not going to say you've committed the ultimate sin and it's too late for you to accept Christ.
jordan holmes
Sure.
unidentified
But you will be destroyed.
alex jones
And you know it deep down.
You are going to be destroyed for your crimes.
And you have gone across that line.
You have crossed that Rubicon.
You have crossed over.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
And so you better get your soul ready to meet your maker.
Because you're an old man now.
Ten years is like five seconds.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And when you die and your family buries you, you're going to be known as a failure and as a traitor and as an enemy of humanity, an enemy of truth.
If I was you, I'd be getting yourself straight with God.
You know 1,000%.
I'm not connected to Russians.
You are.
And the Communist Chinese, your whole plan to sell this country out.
dan friesen
Again, Alex admitted on air that he's talked to Russian intelligence agents.
jordan holmes
Was that Splinter's speech at the end of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2?
dan friesen
Yeah, I think it was.
jordan holmes
For when you die, you die without honor, I believe.
dan friesen
Alex made a funny.
jordan holmes
Also, by the way, I don't know if you've ever read the Bible, Alex, but too late for you to accept Christ is very much not what Christ said.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Christ was very much on the side of, like, it's never too late.
Remember that guy who I was dying with, who committed all of the worst crimes, and I was like, you're cool, dude?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You remember how it wasn't too late for that fucking guy?
Guess what?
That's my whole gig.
dan friesen
It's kind of the point.
jordan holmes
It's the whole thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, but Alex does at least say, I don't know if you've gone too far.
But he is, in that same sense, advocating.
jordan holmes
He said, it's too late for you to accept Christ.
dan friesen
No, he said, maybe it's not.
But that does imply that there is a point where it's too late.
But we have one more clip here.
And so we've established that Robert Mueller did 9-11.
jordan holmes
He did.
dan friesen
He put explosives in the building.
jordan holmes
What did he do in Vietnam with the Beatle people?
dan friesen
Well, who knows?
But then Alex accuses him of something else here in this next clip.
And then the end of this is pretty wild.
jordan holmes
Where do you go after you did 9-11?
alex jones
Mueller ran the whole operation.
The explosives, everything.
And I know the names of the feds.
Hell, even World Net Daily got their receipts.
They were in Oklahoma City.
Said they were in Dallas.
They weren't.
They interviewed the eyewitnesses, the cops, everybody.
The cops you didn't kill.
Well, that's it for this live transmission.
Next Saturday night, I am feeling really good.
dan friesen
That's it.
Gotta go to a wedding.
That's crazy.
jordan holmes
You don't get to just do that.
You don't get to just do that.
That's against the rules.
There are rules.
dan friesen
Mueller, you also did Oklahoma City.
jordan holmes
Well, that's my time.
Alrighty, guys.
I'm going to get out of here.
dan friesen
Open bar is about to start.
I've got to get over to my Korean adopted sister's wedding.
jordan holmes
You've been a great audience, ladies and gentlemen.
Thank you so much for coming out.
dan friesen
All 500 of you that actually watch my live streams.
unidentified
Well, you caused 9-11, and I'm gonna see you in hell.
dan friesen
You also did Oklahoma City.
jordan holmes
I'm gonna see you burned for the crime you committed in Vietnam, in Oklahoma City, when you killed those cops, in 9-11, when you got John O 'Neill.
unidentified
Well, that's about my time, so I'm going to get out of here, ladies.
jordan holmes
All right.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Looks like we've made a little bit of ad revenue.
Pushed a couple products and everything is going smoothly.
jordan holmes
So fucking stupid.
dan friesen
So just for comedy at the end of this, we're not going to listen to any more because he's pretty much done.
jordan holmes
I thought that was his sign-off.
dan friesen
No, he does a little bit more and then Owen Troyer walks by and he does the, like, hey, Owen.
jordan holmes
Hey, Owen.
Take over.
dan friesen
And then it just gets really boring, so we're not going to listen to that.
But, you know, that's the special report.
I think that we've learned that Alex is probably reasonably afraid of the revelations that are coming with them looking at Roger Stone.
I think that'll be interesting to see what happens with.
Beyond that, I think that Alex...
I mean, what we have to do is we have to, you know, really look at this.
Everything is a lie.
All of these stories are such lies.
The idea that Bruce Ivins was murdered and they forced Tylenol down his mouth.
In order to believe that, you have to believe that every other thing that Bruce Ivins did isn't real.
Right.
There's documents of that.
Everything is documented.
His emails, the harassment that he gave to these other co-workers, the time stamps of him signing in and out of the lab during suspicious hours.
jordan holmes
You know what?
That sounds like Mueller's doing.
dan friesen
But everything comes back to this.
Everything is a lie, but it's a fucking appealing lie, and that's why people fall for it.
Anyway, we're in the present.
I don't know how much longer we're going to be doing present stuff, but enjoy it.
unidentified
I'm just...
jordan holmes
God, just watching Stone so nonchalantly be like, oh, I'm going to be indicted.
And he even had that rat fucker smile on his face, too.
He's known.
dan friesen
This isn't news to him.
jordan holmes
Guys, I committed so many crimes.
I can't wait to tell you all about them.
dan friesen
I'm positive that from 2016 on, he's known that there will be a day that is this.
jordan holmes
Oh, he's been having the ride of his life.
Does he have cancer or something?
Does he have some kind of, like, you'll never catch me, motherfucker's last ace in the hole?
Like, he's got to have something.
dan friesen
I think some part of him knows that he can sell some people out.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I think that's probably...
I think that's probably what you're replying to.
The joie de vivre that's still in him is probably an awareness that he has another fish that he can throw in the barrel or whatever.
So I would...
Given his history, given who he is as a person, I think that he knows he's safe because he's not the most important primary.
jordan holmes
God, so fucking insane.
dan friesen
So anyway, this has been our show.
If you like it, you can check out more at knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you can follow us on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight.
dan friesen
We're on Facebook.
jordan holmes
You can do that.
You can go to our Facebook group.
dan friesen
Also, sorry, I forgot to put that clip together again.
We'll do it on the next episode.
jordan holmes
Oh man, you're the worst.
dan friesen
I am.
I'm busy, man.
jordan holmes
I understand.
dan friesen
Anyway, also we're on iTunes.
Please rate, review, subscribe, all that good stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, do the whole thing.
dan friesen
It's your turn.
jordan holmes
It is my turn, and I think there's only one person to tell to go fuck themselves today, and that's every single conservative in this fucking country can go fucking kill themselves.
dan friesen
That is a wide swath.
jordan holmes
Yeah, all of them.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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