Today, Dan tells Jordan all about what happened between January 22nd and 25th, 2009 on the Alex Jones Show. There's some truly absurd stuff here, including appearances from Joe Rogan and a legit rap legend. Plus, the gents learn a little more about Bob Chapman, the man who saw Ronald Reagan get pegged.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| Welcome back to the pilot. | ||
| Co-pilot chair, sir. | ||
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Thank you, sure. | |
| I'm thrilled to have you. | ||
| Cthulhu was very unenthusiastic as a co-host. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| Surprising. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Those elder ones don't really engage with our puny mortal issues. | ||
| Nah, this is petty bullshit, says Cthulhu. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But this is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| I don't know anything about Alex Jones. | ||
| I forgot to do what I should have. | ||
| We're so out of practice here. | ||
| We have a couple days off. | ||
| We take a few days off and it's like, wait, wait, wait, what do we do again? | ||
| I forgot that the introduction is this is a podcast where we sit around and drink novelty beverages and talk about Alex Jones. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Forgot that. | ||
| I know. | ||
| And then I usually do an annoying extended bit that no one wants to hear. | ||
| Absurdly long. | ||
| Never anybody is like, oh, that was great. | ||
| No one's ever thrilled. | ||
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Uh-uh. | |
| No. | ||
| But I'm thrilled about today's show. | ||
| Great transition. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Cthulhu did not appreciate these transitions. | ||
| Unfortunate. | ||
| Today I got an awesome time frame for us to go over. | ||
| We're going to be talking about the January 22nd to 25th, 2009 chunk in Alex Jones' broadcasting career. | ||
| All right. | ||
| There's some stuff that's going to blow your mind. | ||
| There's some stuff that blew my mind. | ||
| There's some stuff that should never have happened. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I want to say this really quick. | ||
| What you're about to witness, what you're about to hear is evidence that 2009 may have been the zenith of Alex Jones' mainstream relevance. | ||
| And it plays out in some ways that I don't think any of us could have ever predicted. | ||
| And I think Heath still thinks he's there, I think, in 2018. | ||
| I'm dancing around this a little bit. | ||
| It'll all make sense, I promise. | ||
| I was going to say, are we finding the moment whenever Kylo Ren murders Harrison Ford to cement his transition to the dark side? | ||
| Is that what we're talking about here? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| This is a salad days kind of thing. | ||
| Looking back at this is like... | ||
| The halcyon days of Alex Jones being relevant. | ||
| Like, to a certain extent. | ||
| I feel like he's more relevant now and less accurate or even... | ||
| Alright, Dan. | ||
| Dan, you are gesticulating wildly at me. | ||
| This is why I shouldn't have said anything and just let this happen. | ||
| But I want people to get excited for some of this weird shit and then something really profoundly fucked up that we're going to talk about at the end of this episode. | ||
| Some slime shit. | ||
| Some young thuggery, so to speak. | ||
| It's messed up. | ||
| But what's not messed up is our new donors. | ||
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Hey! | |
| I'd like to give a shout-out to a couple of new policy wonks out there. | ||
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What's going on? | |
| Oh, this gentleman used to donate to the show and is back donating to the show. | ||
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What? | |
| Super thrilled to have him back. | ||
| I'm not sure if I should even bring that up and call him a prodigal son. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know what your point is. | ||
| He sent me a very nice email, and I appreciate it very much. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| And we're thrilled that you are once again a policy wonker. | ||
| So thank you very much out there, Phil. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| It means a lot. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much, Phil. | ||
| I was waiting for Dan to have a very defensive, like, yeah, that's right, you are going to donate to our show. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| That's how good we are. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| No, you didn't read the email. | ||
| I saw it in your heart. | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| We appreciate people listening, and it's so much icing on top that anyone supports the show. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| We appreciate it. | ||
| Also, our other new policy wonk out there. | ||
| What's going on, Justin? | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Hey, Justin! | ||
| Welcome. | ||
| We appreciate it. | ||
| And this is a new level of... | ||
| We have to create a new level of policy wonk. | ||
| For now, we have policy wonk. | ||
| Foreign policy wonk. | ||
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Right. | |
| Globalist. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Technocrat. | ||
| I don't understand why we have any of these levels. | ||
| I'm shocked that anybody donates to us at all. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But on our next level, our next episode... | ||
| We have a brand new level that we're going to be revealing. | ||
| And I'm not going to... | ||
| This is turning into some Dragon Ball Z type shit. | ||
| Like, every time we get somebody, all of a sudden there's Super Saiyan Level 3. Sure. | ||
| What's going on here? | ||
| Well, we're sort of flying by the seat of our pants. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| But certain circumstances come up in life that necessitate it. | ||
| And one of those circumstances happened this week. | ||
| It came to our attention, thank you, to Policywonk Brian posted in our Facebook group, go home and tell your mother you're brilliant, that someone was selling a bunch of old InfoWars magazines on eBay. | ||
| Oh, that's right! | ||
| You told me about this! | ||
| And, listener, current technocrat already, Keegan, came through, bought them, and got them sent to my house. | ||
| Ridiculous. | ||
| So, I... | ||
| Have an entire collection of InfoWars magazine. | ||
| Holy shit! | ||
| InfoWars magazine! | ||
| 2013! | ||
| 2013. | ||
| The year democracy dies. | ||
| There's some interesting things to learn in there about their positions on Sandy Hook. | ||
| Oh no! | ||
| Among other things. | ||
| They wrote them down in the real world too? | ||
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Dude, shit. | |
| That's a bad idea. | ||
| I've gotten through reading one of them entirely. | ||
| First of all, I mean, so many thank yous to Keegan. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| Yeah, no, it's incredible. | ||
| It is the beginning of our library that we're going to be creating about Alex Jones, which is the Nonc Memorial Library of Bullshit and Lies, as named by Keegan. | ||
| Very excited about that, but I've got to say, it's terrible writing. | ||
| Obama is also building that one in Chicago, too. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| He's really on top of it. | ||
| It's terrible writing, but, man, the graphic design work is on point. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| I don't know who's doing this graphic design, but it's slick, man. | ||
| It looks good. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'm going to post some pictures of it, but, like, there's some, like, wow. | ||
| So it's the guys who do SkyMall? | ||
| Is it the same ones? | ||
| This is so miles above Stein Hall. | ||
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Let me see if I can find this one that really just blew my mind. | |
| Great puns. | ||
| There's one right here, and I'll post a picture of it on our website. | ||
| Look at this shit. | ||
| Oh my god, there are dinosaurs with fucking MSNBC and CNN and new media is a meteor and there's a volcano going off. | ||
| Damn it. | ||
| I mean, this is great. | ||
| This is great graphic design work. | ||
| Yeah, no, that's pretty good. | ||
| It's eye-grabbing. | ||
| Anyway, we appreciate it so much. | ||
| Thank you, Keegan. | ||
| And thank you all and everybody out there. | ||
| And on our next episode, debuting the new level that Keegan has achieved. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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And we would be doing that right now, but I forgot to make the sound. | |
| There. | ||
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That'll happen. | |
| That'll happen. | ||
| Let's just be perfectly honest about it. | ||
| It looks like the cover that you specifically chose has an eerie resemblance to our poster, where the volcano is in the background. | ||
| And I could definitely see you tackling Alex Jones into the volcano. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| For sure. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Speaking of Alex Jones. | ||
| That was the worst. | ||
| That was the worst transition. | ||
| Mark it, what's the date? | ||
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Shit. | |
| May 13th at 4.46 p.m. | ||
| Dan's transitions died. | ||
| But my love of talking about bullshit has not. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| Transitions back on point. | ||
| That's right back to fire, my friend. | ||
| So we start on January 22nd, 2004. | ||
| And it's really interesting that if you look at the history of the Tea Party, it's one of the things that's going to be a big piece of what we're looking for. | ||
| Looking at as we go forward from 2009, if you look at it, it all grew basically out of some of the Koch foundations. | ||
| FreedomWorks and Americans for Prosperity. | ||
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Right. | |
| They funded a bunch of the shit. | ||
| Like Glenn Beck, they basically bolstered him to relevance by buying up all of his books so they'd be bestsellers. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And paying for ads on his show when he couldn't get sponsors and things like that. | ||
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So good. | |
| So I love it. | ||
| I love whenever a small amount of billionaires control all the finances. | ||
| So now the thing that's interesting about that. | ||
| And everything. | ||
| Is that citizens, I'm sorry, Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks are two think tanks that were run. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And they split. | ||
| Man, these guys. | ||
| Now. | ||
| You know who the first chairperson of Citizens for a Sound Economy was when they founded it in 1984? | ||
| I mean, fuck it. | ||
| At this point, Oliver North? | ||
| Ron Paul. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Interesting connections. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| Interesting connections going around. | ||
| And so at this point in 2009, January 22nd is two days before. | ||
| A gentleman by the name of Trevor Leach, who is the chairman of the Young Americans for Liberty, which was a group... | ||
| Aptly named if he is a young American. | ||
| And a young conservative. | ||
| Oh yeah, he is a leach on the fucking planet. | ||
| He's a chairman of the Young Americans for Liberty, which is a group that sprung out of Ron Paul's failed presidential campaign from the last election. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So he organized what he was calling a tea party to protest the obesity taxes that the governor of New York had put in place. | ||
| You know, in terms of like... | ||
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Can't buy large sodas and shit like that. | |
| I fucking hate this kid already. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So that was on January 24th. | ||
| And many people view it as sort of the kickoff. | ||
| Of what would end up becoming these series. | ||
| And a lot of it's probably copycat, but a lot of it is also interconnected through coke think tanks. | ||
| Every metaphor we should use to describe these people is akin to the serial killer or kidnapper. | ||
| Well, what they use in that Jane Myers book, I'm not sure if she coined it, but that book Dark Money, they talk about it as the coctopus. | ||
| The coctopus. | ||
| The coaks with their tentacles going out in all directions. | ||
| Didn't Taiby have a similar octopus-based metaphor for Goldman Sachs? | ||
| Look, it's a great metaphor. | ||
| It's a good metaphor. | ||
| Everyone knows visually what an octopus is. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| The way that the word octopus works, you can put in a lot of different things there. | ||
| Yeah, but see, here's what I'm saying. | ||
| You could say baroctopus. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| I'm just saying verbally. | ||
| Okay, but if we're going to stick in the same family, why not go with a cocofish? | ||
| You know? | ||
| It's perfect in camouflaging itself amongst all of these other white nationalist bullshit. | ||
| I'm going to stick with Coco Fish. | ||
| Citizens for a sound economy squid. | ||
| Doesn't work. | ||
| Economist squid? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It doesn't work. | ||
| So anyway, the reason that I give a lot of this sort of preamble is because the way Alex starts out the show on January 22nd makes me think he's not aware of a lot of those forces that are at play. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The funding that led to the Coke Party. | ||
| Well, fuck it. | ||
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That's what it is. | |
| The Tea Party. | ||
| All that stuff is already in the works. | ||
| And it's getting ready to bubble over. | ||
| The formal... | ||
| The protests that went larger nationwide were in February, and in the months after that, when Fox News started covering it and all that shit. | ||
| Thanks, Fox News! | ||
| But at this point, it's a little bit under the surface, even to someone like Alex, who's best friends with Ron Paul and is the leader of the Liberty Movement. | ||
| Ostensibly. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But it's important, because listen to this clip, it shows a lack of awareness of forces at play. | ||
| I was up here at midnight last night and saw a clip on Yahoo News. | ||
| I think we sent it to the webmasters. | ||
| They're posting it on Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com. | ||
| We'll play it later if we have time. | ||
| Of Glenn Beck, of all people, with Ron Paul yesterday, saying, World government's taking over through the banks. | ||
| Both parties are controlled. | ||
| This is a world government. | ||
| And then he read a Founding Father quote about banks being more dangerous than standing armies that would overthrow America. | ||
| It was like Alex Jones had suddenly possessed Glenn Beck on Fox News, and then Ron Paul came in and agreed. | ||
| So I don't even know what that means. | ||
| I guess the establishment thinks Fox News is so discredited with the public that if Fox News comes out and talks like Alex Jones, that somehow... | ||
| So in a way, this is starting to come out, but no one is talking or discussing the fact that they are about to publicly... | ||
| I mean, the mainstream news is admitting they're doing it, but then our own movement... | ||
| That's been right all along cannot come to grips with the fact that it's actually happening now. | ||
| It's racist. | ||
| It's here in the next two, three weeks. | ||
| It's here, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| Racistly. | ||
| So in the next two to three weeks, he's saying that they're going to collapse everything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that prediction didn't come true. | ||
| No, it did. | ||
| They were right the whole time. | ||
| They were on the forefront. | ||
| They've always been right. | ||
| Even he knows it. | ||
| If Fox News is talking like him, they've been totally discredited. | ||
| Even he is aware of that. | ||
| He's like, Jesus, if these fucking assholes are saying the shit I'm saying, nobody can believe them. | ||
| They know there's no stakes. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But also, what he doesn't seem to realize is that his rhetoric is being co-opted for a specific reason. | ||
| And that is because they don't want him involved, but they want... | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What he stands for to be a piece of this artificial astroturfed movement. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So, it's tough, because this is another moment where you can almost sense that he feels left behind. | ||
| Like, he sees his buddy, Ron Paul, going on Glenn Beck's show and saying the things that he... | ||
| Ron Paul liked to talk about. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it's like, what? | ||
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Are you cheating on me with that fucking mainstream shill? | |
| This is the best move that Fox News has made in not allowing Alex Jones anywhere near their network. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Because once again, as we have proven, and as we will, I am certain, prove once again... | ||
| Or prove again through probably this episode. | ||
| Every episode. | ||
| Alex Jones is the weakest link. | ||
| He gives up the game. | ||
| So Glenn Beck, as awful and stupid and moronic as Glenn Beck was, he never gave up the game. | ||
| Oh yeah, he did. | ||
| Eh, he didn't give it up. | ||
| No, but I mean in a controlled way. | ||
| You know so little about Glenn Beck. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| I don't know much about Glenn Beck. | ||
| I know everything about Glenn Beck. | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| We're not doing that. | ||
| We're not spinning this show off. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
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No, we're not. | |
| How dare you? | ||
| I'm not nearly as interested in Glenn Beck. | ||
| Because so much of it comes from his Mormonism and stuff like that. | ||
| And his shock jock past really invalidates all of his theatricality and fake crying and stuff like that. | ||
| Eh, none of them believe anything. | ||
| But he's not as interesting as Alex. | ||
| Because at least, like, there is... | ||
| I think there's an argument someone could make, and I wouldn't hit him, that, like, Alex really believes the things he's saying. | ||
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Wait, what? | |
| Did you just say that you wouldn't hit them? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, like, if someone came up to me and told me that Glenn Beck really believes the things he's saying, I would hit him. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| No, that makes sense. | ||
| Get that out of your mouth. | ||
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How dare you? | |
| Don't come to me with that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But if someone said that about Alex, I'd be open to a conversation about it. | ||
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Because there... | |
| He... | ||
| He's insane. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| There's so much craft to Glenn Beck's career in terms of, like, he was a fake, low-rent Howard Stern doing, like, prank calls on a morning show. | ||
| He was? | ||
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Yes, that was the beginning of his career. | |
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Yeah, and then he... | ||
| And they just grabbed these guys and put them on Fox News, and then they're... | ||
| He just repackaged himself into someone who was about... | ||
| The old-time ways and folksiness. | ||
| He weaved a little bit of Garrison Keillor, a little bit of Pat Robertson, a little bit of Rush Limbaugh, and there you go. | ||
| You've got Glenn Beck. | ||
| It's an artificial creation. | ||
| It's very easy to see through. | ||
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Alex Jones is much more confusing. | |
| I just remember him talking about 9-12, and I was like, you should die. | ||
| We're going to talk so much about 9-12. | ||
| He should fucking die. | ||
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Not today. | |
| Immediately. | ||
| The moment you say... | ||
| Remember how we felt on 9-12. | ||
| I want to murder you. | ||
| 9-12 is not going to come up today, but based on the fact that we're covering T-Party stuff. | ||
| See, now that's something that would make me want to hit somebody, is if they came up to me and they were like, hey, you know what? | ||
| I don't like your attitude right now. | ||
| Think about how you were on 9-12. | ||
| I would hit them and say, get that shit out of your mouth. | ||
| You want to know a really fun little piece of information? | ||
| What's that? | ||
| The 9-12. | ||
| The 9 principles and 12... | ||
| No, 9... | ||
| Statements and 12 principles or whatever. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| It was also an acronym or some sort of bullshit like that? | ||
| Yeah, Glenn Beck put out a publication about the nine affirmations and 12 principles or something like that of what our movement stands for. | ||
| And people bought that shit up. | ||
| Hook, line, and single. | ||
| Alright, burn down America. | ||
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But again... | |
| No, no, no. | ||
| I don't want them. | ||
| Again, bolstered by Coke money. | ||
| I don't even want us anymore. | ||
| Get rid of America entirely. | ||
| So the 912... | ||
| We don't deserve this planet. | ||
| Principles and guidelines or whatever. | ||
| Again, I can't remember. | ||
| It's like attributes, the 12 attributes or something like that. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| Already infuriated. | ||
| Most of it is completely cribbed from a book by W. Cleon Skousen. | ||
| From our man Skousen? | ||
| No, that's his uncle. | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| Joel Skousen, who's on Alice Jones' show, his uncle is W. Cleon Skousen, who is a member of the John Birch Society. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| And is mostly responsible. | ||
| From everything I've been able to tell for a lot of active misrepresentations of people as communists. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Great. | ||
| We're going to go much more in depth on that in a future episode. | ||
| I have a couple of book episodes we're going to do. | ||
| But I'm preparing those right now. | ||
| So no need to do that. | ||
| But it's interesting to see this lineage of... | ||
| One of Alex Jones' buddies, his uncle, a book that he wrote is responsible for Glenn Beck's 912. | ||
| To become more lies. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's all wrapped up in there, man. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| All connected. | ||
| So here's another clip, I guess, about Cokes being behind the Tea Party and Ron Paul. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I just couldn't believe it. | ||
| I couldn't believe... | ||
| That Glenn Beck was doing this. | ||
| Remember Glenn Beck was saying Ron Paul supporters are dangerous, the army needs to be used against them, their domestic enemies. | ||
| This is a misrepresentation of things that Glenn Beck has said, but he has said things pretty similar. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And it is an indication that he's changed fairly recently. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| For some reason. | ||
| It's curious. | ||
| Odd. | ||
| See, back when Ron Paul could have actually won and was exploding like a grass fire, the establishment shot him down, attacked him. | ||
| What, like... | ||
| Now the establishment thinks it's too late that they're getting what they want. | ||
| They're already bringing us into the Depression. | ||
| They don't care. | ||
| Now some U.S. media is being forced to report the truth because they would lose their whole audience if they didn't, and their CEOs and people, I guarantee you, told them, hey, it doesn't matter. | ||
| The truth's out anyways. | ||
| Go ahead and report it. | ||
| The people can't stop us now. | ||
| That's absurd. | ||
| That is an absurd explanation for what's happening. | ||
| Not least of which because... | ||
| I don't think any media company has ever accounted for like, oh, well, if we don't tell the truth, we're going to lose a lot of listeners or viewers. | ||
| No. | ||
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Hold on a second. | |
| I don't think anybody needs to worry about that. | ||
| No. | ||
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All right. | |
| So here on the 22nd, you know one of my favorite things? | ||
| Some of my favorite things. | ||
| Yeah, I was going to say. | ||
| One of them is Alex Jones' commercials that he had back then. | ||
| Oh, love them. | ||
| Never not going to love me some random pants. | ||
| We don't have a Diamond Gusset commercial, but in 2009, in this January 22nd episode, we get a new sponsor that I've never heard of before, and it's a scam to help you get better memory. | ||
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The school of phenomenal memory gives you the training and tools you need to memorize any type of information quickly and efficiently. | |
| Just as you need to exercise to get your body into shape, you need to exercise mentally to improve your memory. | ||
| The school of phenomenal memory will act as your personal trainer, guiding you through a series of 60 lessons. | ||
| Once completed, you will be able to memorize any type of information, including entire books, guaranteed. | ||
| Our course is not based on classic monomic techniques or other tricks that you simply can't apply in real life. | ||
| Now, let me ask you, why do you think I don't trust that commercial? | ||
| Well, School of Phenomenal Memory already seems a little bit overselling. | ||
| Well, here's the thing. | ||
| Overselling it a little bit, guys. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Also, the misspelled mnemonic, or mispronounced mnemonic. | ||
| That's what they were trying to say? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He said mnemonic in there. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
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Oh, man. | |
| In the copy that made it to air, he mispronounced mnemonic. | ||
| Silent M, baby! | ||
| Did you forget that? | ||
| Maybe you need to take the 60 courses again. | ||
| Menomic. | ||
| Menomity. | ||
| Yep, that's crazy. | ||
| 60 lessons. | ||
| 60 lessons and then you'll be able to memorize entire books. | ||
| Entire books! | ||
| I feel like nobody's ever been able to do that with just 60 lessons. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I think that's pretty absurd. | ||
| Not even Mr. 10,000 Hours would come up with some pop psychology bullshit quite like that. | ||
| No, it'd be tough. | ||
| So, on this show, Alex Jones brings in our old buddy. | ||
| The guy who saw Reagan get buttfucked himself. | ||
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Hell yeah. | |
| Bob Chapman comes back. | ||
| Bobby Chaps. | ||
| And I've started to really enjoy Bob Chapman for his nasally old man voice. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Very much unlike Tracy Chapman. | ||
| It's completely absurd fear-mongering. | ||
| On this episode, Alex seems to have a specific point in bringing him on, a use for him, that I think you'll be able to figure out exactly what's up. | ||
| Loofah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The poor stay poor. | ||
| The rich get rich. | ||
| That's how it goes. | ||
| Unless you understand the game and prepare for it, then it's still not too late. | ||
| With Bob Chapman of TheInternationalForecaster.com joining us, formerly the largest newsletter in the world until he retired for a few years, came back, formerly the biggest gold and silver broker individually in the world. | ||
| I want to bring Ted Anderson up, the owner of the Genesis Network, in the gold and silver business for 30 years. | ||
| I've been trying to suppress the price of gold, but it's way up again this week. | ||
| Ted bought it when it was a lot lower. | ||
| He can pass on those savings, and he's got a quick offer for you today on gold and silver coins. | ||
| But before we go to Ted here for a moment, Bob Chapman, how important is it now, before the true hyperinflation sets in, to get into gold and silver? | ||
| There is no explanation other than the fact that you must do it if you want to be able to stay out of financial harm's way. | ||
| Come with me if you want to live. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I also enjoy a beginning clip where we get an old-fashioned Alex Jones arguing with song lyrics. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| It's like, no, this song is incorrect. | ||
| This song is incorrect if you buy gold. | ||
| You, sirs, are indeed not straight out of Compton. | ||
| You just got off a flight. | ||
| I know. | ||
| So, I mean, you can see the game real pretty clearly right there. | ||
| That he's having Bob on to talk about how the economy is going to collapse. | ||
| Because that's what Bob talks about all the time when he's on. | ||
| There is no other reason to buy gold. | ||
| I mean, unless you want to survive the coming apocalypse. | ||
| If you don't want to die, buy gold. | ||
| There's a pause there where he's like... | ||
| No, there really isn't a reason, but what do I got? | ||
| What do I got? | ||
| And so he's on there, and he's setting the table, more or less, for Ted Anderson to come in and give his sales pitch. | ||
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Right. | |
| Right after this clip, Ted comes on and talks about his British sovereigns, and hey, you know the only British sovereign I want? | ||
| Lady sovereign. | ||
| Shut up. | ||
| Shut up. | ||
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Fuck you. | |
| I did shut up. | ||
| Why are you even more angry at me for not saying anything? | ||
| Anytime I take a shot. | ||
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Anytime I fucking go for it, you just look at me weird or give me negative points. | |
| That was not looking at you weird. | ||
| It was a little weird. | ||
| That was just... | ||
| I raised an eyebrow at you, sir. | ||
| That is not a weird look. | ||
| That is not a weird look. | ||
| It was an incredulous eyebrow raise. | ||
| It was simply a response. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| So that's interesting, and that's a fun game that they get to play, try and move some of Ted's gold. | ||
| It's a little bit like a timeshare sales pitch. | ||
| Like, they bring somebody in to tell you, like, oh, man. | ||
| I have a timeshare right now. | ||
| It is incredible. | ||
| And I'll tell you something. | ||
| I don't even know why human beings don't all have timeshares. | ||
| Have you ever had a timeshare? | ||
| Now, you've got to get one. | ||
| And here's Ted Anderson, and he's going to tell you about the cost. | ||
| Yep, absolutely. | ||
| Bob Chapman and Alex are the people you come in and have your, like, you have a little meal. | ||
| You have a sit-down. | ||
| They give you a free sandwich. | ||
| Toss it straight to you. | ||
| And then you get Ted Anderson with the hard sell. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| You want a margarita before we get the hard sell going? | ||
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Sure. | |
| Sure. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I mean, you can see that game playing out there. | ||
| It's fascinating. | ||
| I don't know what else to say about it. | ||
| It's a solid two-man con game. | ||
| Three-man. | ||
| Because they're all in on it. | ||
| Yeah, well, that's true. | ||
| But if you're listening to that and you don't understand what they're doing, I feel very sad for you. | ||
| Oh, you poor girl. | ||
| But the reality is that there's a lot of old people, the same people who are victims of QVC, who don't understand what's going on. | ||
| And they're the ones that got ripped off by Ted Anderson. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Or your prosperity gospel is built entirely upon the backs of dumb old people. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, for sure. | ||
| So, on this, the 22nd, we're again two days into Barack Obama's inauguration. | ||
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Right. | |
| He is two days into his presidency. | ||
| He's been given a great chance. | ||
| And man, oh man, the stars are out. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| Alex Jones, on the 22nd, Joe Rogan is in town. | ||
| So Joe Rogan comes into studio. | ||
| Gonna drop by? | ||
| We get to hear a little bit of what Joe Rogan is like on Alex Jones' show. | ||
| Is our buddy Eddie Bravo there? | ||
| Eddie Bravo's still in the dojo training. | ||
| Being sweet and dumb? | ||
| I don't know if Eddie Bravo was a media figure in 2009. | ||
| I don't know their history, but I bet him and Joe were friends. | ||
| I bet they knew each other in 2009. | ||
| But I don't know if anyone... | ||
| We kind of realize that Alex and Rogan have exactly one story together that makes their friendship. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, we're live. | ||
| We're about to go to break here in a moment. | ||
| Joe Rogan, my good buddy, visiting here in Austin, is busy beating up the microphone right now. | ||
| We're going to talk about a lot of stuff in the next hour and ten minutes. | ||
| Joe, good to have you here. | ||
| Good to be here. | ||
| Thanks, buddy. | ||
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What's going on? | |
| I like how we just shook hands, even though we've already shook hands and hugged. | ||
| We've got to shake hands for you guys. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| Very important. | ||
| Are you saying it's bad? | ||
| Great start, guys. | ||
| No, I'm not saying it's bad. | ||
| Joe's always, keep it real, Jones! | ||
| Keep it real! | ||
| It's Jones! | ||
| Fight the power! | ||
| One day closer to victory! | ||
| You know, Joe just can't believe I've actually really liked this. | ||
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This is what I'm really like. | |
| Oh, I know. | ||
| I believe you like this. | ||
| I've known you for a long time now, man. | ||
| You know, I was thinking, we met in 99, so this is actually 10 years. | ||
| You remember when I did my DVD that I filmed in Austin, The Belly of the Beast? | ||
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Yes. | |
| You and I wore George W. Bush masks and Herbert Walker Bush masks. | ||
| We did a little satanic dance to show that we were satanic. | ||
| Yeah, we went running around the grounds of the state capitol building. | ||
| People thought we were nuts because we were. | ||
| That's the only story they really have. | ||
| That's the story they have? | ||
| They bring it up like twice on this episode, and they brought it up when he was on Rogan's podcast. | ||
| They bring it up every time. | ||
| So they wore ex-president's masks and did not rob any banks. | ||
| Yeah, you can find the video of it. | ||
| It's on YouTube. | ||
| Well, of course. | ||
| It's just them running around in masks and then smoking weed in the bathroom. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| Alright, that's some shenanigans? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's charming on the scale of Alex Jones things. | ||
| That's true, that's true. | ||
| It would be like if you and I were friends for ten years, and the only story that we had was that time that we did shows in the Burbs and had a great time together. | ||
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Like, if that was it. | ||
| Oh, man, do you remember? | ||
| If every time that we got on air together, it was just that came up. | ||
| I mean, it would be like, oh, you're trying to really reinforce that you're friends when you're not. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| Showbiz friends. | ||
| It's kind of like one of those, you think we're friends. | ||
| I know we're not really friends, but you're so nice. | ||
| You're so nice to me. | ||
| There's a slight imbalance, and it's interesting that it's even there in 2009. | ||
| Joe Rogan's got that news radio money, baby. | ||
| He's doing UFC at this point. | ||
| He's loaded. | ||
| Andy, I mean, he was an in-demand stand-up. | ||
| He was. | ||
| No, at 99, absolutely. | ||
| So it's interesting you brought up news radio, because we talked about it at great detail in that time we went and did shows in the suburbs about how much we love news. | ||
| That's actually true. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| News radio's a great show, and Rogan talks a little bit about being on it, and then something happens. | ||
| And it's because of that, you know, I got to really appreciate, like, the craft of creating, like, a good television show. | ||
| So it makes it hard to do another one afterwards. | ||
| That's why, in a sense, the Fear Factor was a good thing to do, because it was way better to do that than a crappy sitcom. | ||
| It's like, let's just do this goofy game show, you know, that's not really supposed to be a guy. | ||
| Demons! | ||
| It never happens unless we have a big guest in studio. | ||
| We have multiple backup lines. | ||
| Our connection to the satellite just cut out, but we have backups to the satellite. | ||
| You have backups to the satellite? | ||
| So the connection cut out, and you think that it's the government that's doing this? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| It only happens if I have Ron Paul or Jesse Ventura in studio. | ||
| It only happens if Charlie Sheen's on. | ||
| We probably have one of those guests every month. | ||
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I'm always watching. | |
| And it only happens when a big guest is on, generally. | ||
| Well, I'm far less threatening than any of those gentlemen. | ||
| We have four backups to the satellite, so we're fine. | ||
| You need not worry about me. | ||
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I'm a comedian. | |
| Joe's kind of making fun of Alex throughout this. | ||
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Yeah, oh yeah. | |
| It's a little bit... | ||
| So you think the government did it? | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, then he's like, New World Order, I'm not as scary as them. | ||
| You need not worry about me. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| I mean, you even heard it in the last clip. | ||
| He was sort of making like, we're one day closer to victory. | ||
| Like doing an impression of Alex to him. | ||
| But, you know, Rogan's not totally... | ||
| Not into some of the things that Alex is into. | ||
| Oh, no, of course. | ||
| In his next clip, he describes how passionate he is about Ron Paul. | ||
| I want to play part of this clip in a minute so you can hear it, but first off, your view of Ron Paul? | ||
| Well, I think he's the only guy that's saying, listen, we need a radical restructuring of our government. | ||
| And he's absolutely correct, and he is what a real conservative is supposed to be. | ||
| I mean, by all stretches of the imagination, I mean, that guy's a real... | ||
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I mean, there's no way you can say by any stretch of the imagination that he's not a conservative. | |
| I mean, he's a real conservative, a fiscal conservative, a social conservative, but he wants people to be able to... | ||
| He believes in states'rights. | ||
| He believes that the federal government is completely out of control, that it's too big. | ||
| He believes that, you know, we have to get rid of the IRS. | ||
| It's a flawed institution. | ||
| He believes we have to get rid of the Federal Reserve. | ||
| He believes all these things that totally make sense. | ||
| And when he says these things on TV... | ||
| Hold up. | ||
| They make it like it's a joke. | ||
| Even though we know that the system is completely, it's just completely unfair. | ||
| Unfixable. | ||
| I mean, if you look at the way it is now, just it's a honeycomb of corruption and just bureaucratic BS and red tape. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| What were you responding to there? | ||
| I can't even, now I can't even remember. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Oh, man. | ||
| Just... | ||
| Shit. | ||
| What the fuck is he talking about? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, I think that... | ||
| Oh, no, no, no. | ||
| Whenever he's like... | ||
| Everybody knows it's a good idea to get rid of the IRS and to get rid of the Fed. | ||
| Everybody knows this. | ||
| Everybody doesn't know that. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| Excuse me, sir. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's easy to get seduced into Ron Paul's line of thinking because he is very sensible about foreign entanglements and stuff like that and drug policy. | ||
| And so if you're someone like, oh, and even like private prisons, he's against. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So like those sorts of things, if you're someone like Joe Rogan who smokes weed all the time and is generally inclined towards pacifism. | ||
| And rich. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Usually you're far more susceptible to the abolish the Fed and the IRS kind of nonsense. | ||
| But like the idea, so Ron Paul's, one of his biggest like rallying cries that goes around is audit the Fed. | ||
| Audit the Federal Reserve. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And this is sort of a misconception. | ||
| He's playing on people's unawareness of what actually goes on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you can go to the Federal Reserve's website. | ||
| And audit them? | ||
| Does the Federal Reserve ever get audited? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Full stop. | ||
| Period. | ||
| Next question. | ||
| What else you got back? | ||
| The Board of Governors, the 12 Federal Reserve Banks, and the Federal Reserve System as a whole are all subject to several levels of audit and review. | ||
| One. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| The Board's Office of Inspector General conducts independent audits, evaluations, and criminal investigations related to the programs and operations of the Board, as well as those Board functions delegated to the Reserve Banks. | ||
| Sounds fake. | ||
| Four. | ||
| The financial statements of the Reserve Banks are also audited annually by an independent outside auditor. | ||
| Don't believe it. | ||
| Fifth. | ||
| Each week, the Federal Reserve publishes its balance sheet and charts of recent balance sheet trends. | ||
| It also provides an interactive guide to the Fed's balance sheet. | ||
| The balance sheet is included in the Federal Reserve's H-4-1 statistic release, quote, factors affecting reserve balances of depository institutions and conditions statement of the Federal Reserve Bank. | ||
| Nobody could do it within a week. | ||
| That's clearly fake. | ||
| It's all lies. | ||
| No, that part is just about their balance sheets. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Nobody could figure out what their balance sheets are every week. | ||
| They got a whole fucking team doing it. | ||
| Making it up. | ||
| They got a team making it up. | ||
| I don't quite understand where the line is drawn between the rallying cry to audit the Fed and the reality of what is done. | ||
| What is not being done that they want done? | ||
| Oh, all of it. | ||
| Okay, great. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| That's the answer. | ||
| What do you think the answer is going to be? | ||
| The answer is, you bring that stuff and they'll be like, yeah, but... | ||
| And that's all of it. | ||
| What do you think isn't being audited? | ||
| Oh, all of it. | ||
| No matter what, it's unsatisfying. | ||
| And we get that same thing, that same bullshit from Rogan that drives me insane about these fucking stupid assholes is always like... | ||
| Oh, well, it's a honeycomb. | ||
| It's a complicated system. | ||
| And it's like, yeah, because it's a fucking insanely complicated system. | ||
| No matter how many rules and shit you write into there, there's always going to be an angle. | ||
| There's always going to be a loophole. | ||
| And it's going to be based on like a one word where like with the... | ||
| There's always going to be con men in the mix. | ||
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And guess what? | |
| You're on one of their shows. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Or like with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like the guy who is in there now probably... | ||
| It probably shouldn't be. | ||
| Because according to the law, it is the outgoing director who can appoint his follower in the interim or whatever it is. | ||
| Right? | ||
| But this is based... | ||
| The reason that there's a challenge is that it's based on a law that was written that kind of says that that supersedes what the president may appoint. | ||
| But it's like... | ||
| It's the difference between like... | ||
| Should or could. | ||
| Like, in the entire law, the entire argument is based on, well, maybe they meant to say this, but what they actually said was could. | ||
| Like, that's it. | ||
| Like, there's no way you can write perfect bullshit on there. | ||
| That's why it becomes so complicated. | ||
| That's why lawyers are well-paid. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| Because it's insane! | ||
| That sort of semantic breakdown shit. | ||
| So, one of the other reasons to be sort of frustrated with Joe is that... | ||
| As we saw in the beginning of 2017 when Alex was on Rogan's podcast, one of the chief complaints that I had was that Rogan would say something sort of maybe challenging or like a question for Alex. | ||
| Alex would lie to him and then Joe would be like, oh wow. | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| And that's almost the entire interview. | ||
| It's that repeatedly and then also Joe talking about... | ||
| Working for the UFC. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was fun. | ||
| Like a collegial interview of Rogan's career, which we have no need to listen to. | ||
| But here is Alex saying that Obama is going to be worse than Hitler. | ||
| And Joe saying, huh? | ||
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Remember. | |
| I don't just make things up. | ||
| I've got just reams of evidence. | ||
| Obama is probably going to end up being like Adolf Hitler. | ||
| I'm saying if you think Bush was bad, prepare yourself. | ||
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Really? | |
| You really think that he's going to? | ||
| I know it. | ||
| I know it. | ||
| And then it's just accepted. | ||
| But he gave him a chance. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He gave him a day. | ||
| And now you know he's got reams of evidence. | ||
| Well, the spoiler is that behind the scenes, right now, in January 2009, Alex is editing and... | ||
| Producing his Obama Deception documentary. | ||
| He's already on it? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a quick turnaround time. | ||
| That's South Park episode level. | ||
| Later on, I don't think it's on the episodes that we're covering, he gives the release date of it. | ||
| He's already got the release? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's rushing this to print. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Basically. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| You understand that... | ||
| Painting Obama in a really negative, dictatorial light only serves your interest in selling this documentary that you're creating. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It kind of gives a sense of like, oh, that's why you're doing this so fast. | ||
| Okay, that's why you didn't give him a chance. | ||
| You need to get this documentary money. | ||
| I'm guessing they definitely wouldn't have, although I would have almost liked to live in an alternate history where we get the McCain-Palin deception. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That would be fun. | ||
| I bet it wouldn't have happened. | ||
| I bet it wouldn't have happened. | ||
| I can't think of any reason why, Dan. | ||
| If 9-11 hadn't happened. | ||
| We never would have gotten 9-12. | ||
| Well, certainly not. | ||
| We wouldn't have even made it that far. | ||
| But I bet that Alex wouldn't have made any documentaries that were harshly critical of Bush. | ||
| I mean, he might have. | ||
| We can't rewrite history like that. | ||
| We have no idea what could or would have happened. | ||
| So, who cares? | ||
| We're going to have to develop an interdimensional travel machine. | ||
| Or perhaps contact some of our friends. | ||
| In Vacaville, Bristol. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Call Mark. | ||
| Despite Alex saying that Obama's going to be worse than Hitler, Joe thinks, eh, maybe he'll be okay. | ||
| Who knows what his motivation is? | ||
| I mean, his motivation may be pure. | ||
| I mean, his motivation may very well be that he's trying to fix the predicament that we're in. | ||
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Or... | |
| He may be a New World Order shill, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| I have him on video calling for a New World Order. | ||
| Oh. | ||
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What was he saying? | |
| He said, we all want a New World Order. | ||
| Is that what he said? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, do you think that people, when they say a new world order, do they mean like a new order to the world? | ||
| Well, they've all written books. | ||
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Or do they mean like new world order as in like Darth Vader type stuff? | |
| Well, his advisors have written books about what they mean. | ||
| What did they say? | ||
| Like Rahm Emanuel said, National Forest Service, everyone will have to serve. | ||
| And they say the new world order means a world government. | ||
| One world government. | ||
| Run by the private banks. | ||
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Oh, what a good idea. | |
| He's fucking with you, Alex. | ||
| A little bit, but at the same time, he's not pushing back. | ||
| He's like, what books? | ||
| He should have said, what books? | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Give a citation of when they say, New World Order means a global government run by the banks. | ||
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Also... | |
| As opposed to the good question that he did ask, is it possible they just mean a new way that the world would be ordered in? | ||
| Ordering the world in a new fashion. | ||
| Right, because the old way sucks. | ||
| Especially considering the fact that just mere moments ago... | ||
| He was screaming to get rid of all of the institutions. | ||
| Which would be a new world order. | ||
| Thus creating a new world order. | ||
| Well, it would be a really old world order. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Because that's all they really... | ||
| That's a very different rallying cry. | ||
| Old world order! | ||
| You know what's interesting? | ||
| This might be premature for me to bring this up, but I've been reading Carol Quigley's book, The Tragedy and Hope, because so much of this is based on misrepresentations of that. | ||
| Even Carol Quigley has come out and been like... | ||
| That's not what I was writing about. | ||
| That's not what I was saying. | ||
| Hey, guys. | ||
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Hey. | |
| Hey, guys. | ||
| Come on now. | ||
| One of the things that's so, so much a focus of people like the Austrian School of Economics and the Mies Institute, which are big parts of Alex Jones's philosophical underpinnings, are a desire to get back to the gold standard. | ||
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Right. | |
| And their desire to go back to pre-1914 economics, which is when the Federal Reserve System was begun. | ||
| Oh, and I remember how great it was. | ||
| It was wonderful. | ||
| All of the history books, history books. | ||
| It was wonderful. | ||
| But what's interesting is that in Carol Quigley's book, if you look at it, he does talk about how there's a network of bankers and stuff that were trying to manipulate things after World War I. Yeah. | ||
| Because that just makes good financial sense. | ||
| What Alex never takes into account and never really discusses is that their goal was to bring back the gold standard. | ||
| Don't add these competing thoughts in my head, Dan. | ||
| No, because there's this weird thing that these globalists, these proto-globalists that Alex is taking as being the people that Carol Quigley wrote about, they were the beginning of the networks of the interconnected... | ||
| Killing us all. | ||
| They have the exact same goals as the Mies Institute. | ||
| Well, yeah, but that's because we all know they were correct. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't know what to think about that, but anyway. | ||
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Look. | |
| Everyone's full of shit? | ||
| You can want to do evil even in the service of a good idea. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| See, Dan? | ||
| So these globalists. | ||
| They're co-opting the get back to the gold standard argument in order to further cement their power. | ||
| They're trying to reclaim it. | ||
| So, as we know, if that were to succeed, if we were to go to the gold standard, then they would be able to cement their power. | ||
| So, of course, we need to go to the gold standard in order to keep them from doing that, Dan. | ||
| It's too obvious. | ||
| Makes so much sense. | ||
| It's too good of a strategic move. | ||
| Genius! | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes, I remember in Sun Tzu's The Art of War, do whatever your enemy does. | ||
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Right. | |
| Just do it. | ||
| And then blame them. | ||
| And then tell them all. | ||
| Accuse them of the same thing. | ||
| You guys are the worst. | ||
| So, um... | ||
| Boo them! | ||
| Boo your enemy! | ||
| After Rogan leaves, Alex has another guest. | ||
| We don't have any clips of him, but it's worth bringing up. | ||
| He has Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo on. | ||
| He has him on every now and again back then. | ||
| It's really fucking interesting. | ||
| Because Art Acevedo does an impression of Alex to his face. | ||
| Okay, alright. | ||
| But also, there's sort of a sense of, like, why are you here kind of thing? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, why is he there? | ||
| Because he believes in outreach, and he believes in community connections and stuff like that. | ||
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Oh. | |
| So he makes it a priority to go around. | ||
| Like, I've looked into him, and, like, as much as you can ever like a cop... | ||
| I kind of like a lot of the stuff that he seems to be about. | ||
| Seems like a good dude. | ||
| It seems like it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| And again, I haven't looked into him enough to give him a rubber stamp. | ||
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Right. | |
| But I was reading this long article about he's now the mayor or not the mayor. | ||
| He's now the police chief of Houston. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He came over in like 2016 from Austin to Houston to work on that department. | ||
| That's a pretty solid step up for him. | ||
| And during Hurricane Harvey, he was fucking out there with his people, like trying to save elderly people from buildings. | ||
| He like... | ||
| He had this whole thing where he didn't trust the electronic and automated gauges that would tell him where there was danger, so he had all of his people out monitoring particularly vulnerable sites for flooding where there were old people and disabled people there that would need help. | ||
| He was just proactively trying to make sure that the damage would be as low as possible, and that's one of the major reasons that's cited for why the death count wasn't higher, is because of his... | ||
| Like, really active, really engaged approach. | ||
| Alright, so he did some heroic-ass shit. | ||
| Well, yeah, I would say so. | ||
| And it falls in line with the philosophy that he espouses for policing on Alex's show, and in interviews that I've read with him since, that is, like, you're going to make much better work if you get out there. | ||
| Don't murder people. | ||
| Well, there's that, yeah. | ||
| And he also has a very strong position of keeping his officers accountable. | ||
| For their actions. | ||
| Trying to make body cameras automatically turn on as opposed to, oh, you gotta turn it on yourself. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Get around shit. | ||
| Could never imagine getting around that. | ||
| So for as far as a cop goes, I think he's pretty cool. | ||
| Seems pretty on the level. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Alright, alright. | |
| I buy it upon further review. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so the two of them have a fine, again, just jovial conversation with each other. | ||
| A bunch of times, Alex keeps trying to bring up that lady who got arrested for spilling a Bloody Mary on an airplane, and Art Acevedo's like, I don't know that story. | ||
| I mean, you have to send it to me. | ||
| It was just that over and over again. | ||
| He's like, I can't comment on that. | ||
| I have no idea what you're talking about. | ||
| What do you mean you can't comment on something you don't know anything about? | ||
| What do you think I'm doing? | ||
| It'd be unprofessional. | ||
| Anyway, we move on now to January 23rd. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And it's just this and the 25th, because 24th is a Saturday, there's no show. | ||
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Okay. | |
| On the 23rd, we get... | ||
| Ooh, my voice went weird, though. | ||
| On the 23rd! | ||
| We get a little glimpse into what Alex Jones' finances looked like back in 2009. | ||
| And so we're going to be attempting to expand what we're doing here. | ||
| So I want to be clear, we're not in trouble. | ||
| It's just that we want to do more. | ||
| And frankly, we get more financial support. | ||
| I'll be able to spend my time focusing on issues and fighting the globalists and awakening people rather than worrying about, well, can I get a microphone? | ||
| Can I get a camera? | ||
| Can I get this server we need? | ||
| I mean, we need servers right now. | ||
| And that's one reason Prison Planet Forum was down. | ||
| I mean, we need more support. | ||
| So at this point, Alex Jones had to legitimately be concerned about buying a microphone. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| I want to get back to that. | ||
| I don't know what sort of mics he's using, but a good mic couldn't be more than $1,000. | ||
| So the idea that he has to be concerned about $1,000, it gives you a sense of the operation that he's running at this point. | ||
| Now, I mean, at the same time, it's important to be thrifty. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's important to get your highest quality for your lowest dollar. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| These Stenheisers were like $95 or something like that? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| They've served me well for five years probably. | ||
| You can get solid results out of something that isn't necessarily the top of the line. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I mean, he could very easily be talking about, I don't have $500. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So that's a glimpse, that's a snapshot of January 23rd, 2009. | ||
| That's where Alex's finances are at. | ||
| Or he's trying to sucker people into giving money. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| It could be one of the two. | ||
| I'm inclined to believe it's the prior, though. | ||
| Well, he did preface it with, we're not in trouble, which, in Alex Jones' parlance, kind of means you're in trouble. | ||
| No, I think I took that as sincere. | ||
| Like, because he's asking for money. | ||
| If he's wanting money, we are in trouble, is the way to get it. | ||
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Right. | |
| Because then you make the situation much more dire. | ||
| You make it like, we need your support. | ||
| We're in trouble. | ||
| Him saying we're not in trouble means like, yeah, we could use your money, but I'm not going to fucking be manipulative about it, even though I am being manipulative with my gold shit. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, Jordan, I mysteriously told you at the top of the show that this is the pinnacle of Alex Jones' relevance. | ||
| Mainstream relevance. | ||
| Well, and we had that interview with Joe Rogan. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Big celebrity Joe Rogan. | ||
| Big celebrity. | ||
| He is. | ||
| I didn't say that sarcastically. | ||
| I couldn't tell. | ||
| I was looking down. | ||
| So you also have an interview with legitimately the police chief of Austin. | ||
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Yes. | |
| So there's community relevance. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He's there and the chief is giving him the time of day to come into studio for like an hour. | ||
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That's pretty legit stuff. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| But then, on the 23rd... | ||
| Something happened that I never expected to happen. | ||
| Angelina Jolie? | ||
| What? | ||
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Wait, what? | |
| Of hip-hop with reggae, dance, and rock influences that set the group apart from other message-oriented rappers, as well as KSR1's dexterous verbosity and blunt beat synths. | ||
| KSR1? | ||
| KSR1? | ||
| How surreal is it to hear him read that bio? | ||
| He is reading it very uncomfortably. | ||
| KSR1. | ||
| KSR... | ||
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BDP! | |
| Oh, man. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| KRS-One is on the show. | ||
| Why? | ||
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What? | |
| I don't know. | ||
| Is he going to do a couple of tracks? | ||
| No, he's not. | ||
| But it does turn out that KRS-One is very much afraid of the New World Order and the Illuminati. | ||
| Yeah, but he should be. | ||
| Yeah, I guess. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Look, if anybody should be afraid of the New World Order, in any form, should be KRS-One. | ||
| So, I mean, like... | ||
| Man. | ||
| I don't know what to think about this other than, like, if on the next episode, like, J. Rue the Damager shows up, I'm going to be like, what the fuck? | ||
| Could happen. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
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Yep. | |
| KRS-One. | ||
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At the same time, you know what I want? | |
| Has Master P been on? | ||
| He made Alex say, uh. | ||
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You know what? | |
| I bet Master P would go on, but I bet Alex wouldn't have him. | ||
| That's what I would guess. | ||
| That's not fair. | ||
| No. | ||
| How about Kane? | ||
| You want to go with Big Daddy Kane? | ||
| Oh, I thought you meant the pro wrestler Kane. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah, we already know he's in there. | ||
| It's just super weird to me, and I would really love to talk to KRS-One now and ask him what he thinks. | ||
| Like, do we want to go back on Inverwars? | ||
| Do you think that was a good idea? | ||
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You wouldn't talk to us. | |
| We're part of the New World Order. | ||
| But not to be a dick about it, but like, you know, it is another... | ||
| When I say his mainstream relevance, the toxicity of what he puts out isn't so overt yet at this point. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That someone who is a smart, insightful person like KRS-One could come on Alex's show and find common ground with some of the things of like, yeah, I don't like violence and stuff like that. | ||
| Controversial take. | ||
| They talk a bit about violence. | ||
| And what have you. | ||
| I disagree with the way they look at the New World Order and stuff like that, but I understand that that's also a widespread belief that people have. | ||
| So it's not like KRS-One is insane to think that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm struggling. | ||
| This is a little bit similar to if Killer Mike went on today. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, like, that could... | ||
| That couldn't happen. | ||
| I actually kind of could see Killer Mike doing that. | ||
| I couldn't see that. | ||
| You don't think so? | ||
| No. | ||
| I could see Killer Mike. | ||
| It's too public, the shit that Alex stands for now. | ||
| There's no way that someone who has a career would, like, even if they are leaning that way, like, Killer Mike did do that interview with NRA TV, what have you, that people got all mad about. | ||
| But I still don't think that... | ||
| I think you would get too much flack. | ||
| Because you would go on and then all of your fans would end up posting all the times he said really fucked up stuff about black people and shit like that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then you'd be like, oh, shit. | ||
| Yeah, that's not good. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or LP would pull him aside and be like, hey, here's all this fucked up shit he said about black people. | ||
| Don't go on his show. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And even if it is just like we see eye to eye on guns, it would be no way. | ||
| Well, they don't see eye-to-eye on guns, because Killer Mike would like black people to be armed. | ||
| Alex says he would. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think he does, though. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Like most gun control reforms in America, it's gonna be once black people start getting guns, all of a sudden everybody's gonna be for gun control. | ||
| Well, I mean, did you read this story the other day? | ||
| I was gonna retweet it, but I don't like to retweet the... | ||
| The taste du jour about Infowars. | ||
| But do you read this story about Rakim Balogun, who was a gentleman who got arrested because of... | ||
| He was labeled a black identity extremist. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And they've been secretly surveilling him and predicting his movements using Palantir and the like. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| And if you read the article here on The Guardian, it says, quote, Investigators began monitoring Belogan, whose legal name is Christopher Daniels, after he participated in an Austin, Texas rally in March 2015 protesting against law enforcement, Special Agent Aaron Niley said in court. | ||
| The FBI, Nylee said, learned of the protest from a video on InfoWars, a far-right site run by a commentator, Alex Jones, known for spreading false news and conspiracy theories. | ||
| Wait. | ||
| The reference to InfoWars in court stunned Belogan. | ||
| Quote, They're using a conspiracy theorist video to justify their tyranny? | ||
| That is a big insult. | ||
| They referenced InfoWars in court? | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| Your lawsuit... | ||
| Charges or indictments should be tossed immediately. | ||
| And the reason that you're saying a black person with a gun sparked my thought of this is because there's a picture in this article of him with a gun. | ||
| Standing there with a handgun. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| I see that picture and I'm not terrified of it, but that would scare the shit out of Alex. | ||
| So anyway, it's really fucked up. | ||
| These are the sorts of things that you've got to really understand. | ||
| These are the real-world effects of what Alex puts out there. | ||
| COINTELPRO was a great program, and I'm glad they brought it back. | ||
| So here comes Alex. | ||
| He reads another minute and a half of KRS-One's bio, but we don't need to read it. | ||
| All he does is stammer over hip-hop stuff. | ||
| The Furious Five. | ||
| He's just confused by all of these things. | ||
| I love Grandmaster Flash. | ||
| And so here's his introduction, where he reassures his audience. | ||
| This is the good hip-hop. | ||
| What? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right, to the bottom of the hour, KRS-One is our guest. | ||
| He's on a Texas tour, coming up a little while. | ||
| He's in North Texas, going to be speaking to a group of high schoolers about how horrible the shoot-'em-up culture is that we have, not just with black youth, but Hispanic, whites. | ||
| It's happening in rural areas. | ||
| And he really speaks out against all the gangster rap, you know, go out and kill each other, go out and deal drugs, all of that. | ||
| And he has really turned millions of people away from that. | ||
| But he's a pioneering hip-hopper, sold millions and millions of records. | ||
| In August of 1987, his partner, LaRock, was murdered, and that's what got him going on a Stop the Violence movement that went nationwide in 1989. | ||
| And again, so this is the good hip-hop. | ||
| This is the stuff that's really uplifting, and he just does an amazing job. | ||
| He's also involved in 9-11 Truth, and he's anti-war, and we're just really excited to have KRS-One on the show with us. | ||
| It's great to have you, sir. | ||
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Hello, how are you? | |
| How surreal is that? | ||
| That's the sound of the Saudis. | ||
| How surreal is that, just to hear his voice? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know how to deal with any of this. | ||
| So here, Alex, they're talking about cultural violence, and KRS-One's making the argument that it's a piece of us, it's a piece of our history. | ||
| Just biologically, we seem to have violence, but we can rise above it and what have you. | ||
| Then Alex brings out one of his favorite old chestnuts. | ||
| Well, Karis, the Pentagon has done studies in the 40s, 50s, right through to today. | ||
| That within four days of no food or water, most people start stealing. | ||
| Within 10 to 15, 90-plus percent of people start murdering for food. | ||
| So that's just a fact. | ||
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Wow! | |
| Wow, you just added to my lexicon of truth here. | ||
| Wow, really? | ||
| Four days? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Oh man, KRS. | ||
| There is a reason that you are immediately incredulous. | ||
| Go with that instinct! | ||
| Yeah, so... | ||
| Stick with it! | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| Why does everybody just believe that bullshit when he says it? | ||
| It's the exact same thing that Rogan... | ||
| Does. | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| Is that true? | ||
| You didn't even bother asking that part. | ||
| You just believed him. | ||
| These fuckers need to seriously learn a lesson from telemarketers where it's like two rebuttals. | ||
| Two rebuttals before you hang up the phone. | ||
| It's like, cite those papers. | ||
| Cite the studies. | ||
| I'll tell you this. | ||
| I spent quite a while trying to find these studies. | ||
| I can't find these studies. | ||
| Shocker. | ||
| I also searched Infowars.com for all sorts of word combinations. | ||
| Pentagon study, murder, kill, societal breakdown, 15 days, all of it. | ||
| I searched for everything. | ||
| There's no article on Infowars where he backs up and gives citations for this. | ||
| But! | ||
| Yeah, but it's just historically true. | ||
| As you can go back and see through every major disaster, 90% of the human race has eventually eaten other people. | ||
| I would like to read to you here from an article in Slate titled, What Really Happens After Societal Collapse? | ||
| Dog Eat Dog or Lions and Lambs Lying Together? | ||
| It's an article from 2017 and it cites this. | ||
| In a 1961 paper that was unpublished until 1996, sociologist Charles Fritz laid out the case for his contrary perspective, that disasters and other majorly stressful events don't necessarily result in societal breakdown and trauma. | ||
| Fritz Who had begun his observation of disasters while stationed in Berlin during the Blitz. | ||
| Can't trust the crowds. | ||
| Sorry, Britain during the Blitz. | ||
| Can't trust the Brits. | ||
| Reported that during the time he saw, quote, a nation of gloriously happy people enjoying life to the fullest, exhibiting a sense of gaiety and love of life that was truly remarkable. | ||
| With Britons reaching beyond class distinctions, sharing supplies, and talking to people who they had never spoken with before. | ||
| Marschaling sociological and historical evidence, Fritz recounts example after example of people pulling together in the midst of tragedy. | ||
| Black and white police militia members uniting to maintain order during the yellow fever epidemic in Memphis in 1878. | ||
| Enemies forgetting old quarrels during the German bombing of Krakow in World War II. | ||
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Community members reporting strengthened personal relationships with neighbors after the White County, Arkansas tornado of 1950. | |
| 52. Right. | ||
| It just goes on and on and on. | ||
| The examples are so numerous of when the shit is going on, when it hits the fan, when all the chips are down, people are social creatures and we don't. | ||
| We don't eat each other when those things happen unless it goes way past that. | ||
| It's the Independence Day theory of global coming together. | ||
| No, it's not a fucking stupid zombie movie mentality being presented as... | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| I mean, what's going on there is the idea that so many people have that might be true is that the only way for the entire globe to unite is if we have a... | ||
| An extraterrestrial force to fight against. | ||
| Like, the only way human beings will unite is in the face of some larger attack. | ||
| Now you're talking Watchmen. | ||
| Well, I'm talking Independence Day, my friend. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of people somewhat believe that. | ||
| Talk about Bill Pullman. | ||
| And to be fair, I think that that's kind of... | ||
| Fairly compatible with that study. | ||
| But the reality that you find is in a vast majority of circumstances, when supplies are low, people help each other. | ||
| And in disasters, people come together. | ||
| So he's just lying to KRS-One. | ||
| Jeff Goldblum will emerge to save us. | ||
| And Quaid! | ||
| I can't... | ||
| Never forget about Quaid. | ||
| I can't think of Quaid without... | ||
| What is it? | ||
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The Illuminati's trying to kill me! | |
| So they have this interview, and it's a little bit more of that with Alex lying to KRS-One. | ||
| And KRS-One just believing him. | ||
| It's sad. | ||
| But what makes me profoundly sad is how this interview ends. | ||
| Folks can Google Chaos R1 in Austin, Texas. | ||
| They will find it. | ||
| KRS-One. | ||
| Thank you so much for joining us, and I can't wait to have you in studio tomorrow, sir. | ||
| There's no show tomorrow. | ||
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Alex, hip-hop stands with you. | |
| Straight up. | ||
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No. | |
| Let me say that we stand with you. | ||
| We don't. | ||
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And when it's time to get on the front line, you're going to look to your right and your left, and I hope I'm right there with you. | |
| I hope you're not. | ||
| Well, the Info Warriors, the We Are Changers, the 9-11 Truthers, the lovers of liberty everywhere, stay with you, my friend, and I'll call you this afternoon and give you the address, and I look forward to seeing you tomorrow. | ||
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We're going to get on that right now. | |
| What a bummer. | ||
| What a bummer. | ||
| Hip-hop stands with Alex Jones. | ||
| I feel like... | ||
| I don't think KRS-One speaks for hip-hop. | ||
| As delightful and wonderful his music is, I don't think he has all of hip-hop behind him. | ||
| You know who in hip-hop stands with Alex Jones? | ||
| Ever? | ||
| KRS-One in this appearance. | ||
| I don't know if he's been on more times than this. | ||
| We'll find out. | ||
| Professor Griff. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He seems to like Alex Jones quite a bit. | ||
| Immortal Technique. | ||
| Those are the rappers that I could think of who have had any affiliation with Alex. | ||
| And that doesn't stand for mainstream hip-hop. | ||
| No, I don't think the Soulquarians would have been into it at this time. | ||
| I think they would have probably been a hard pass on this one. | ||
| Do you know who's the king of the Soulquarians, though? | ||
| Questlove? | ||
| Bob Chapman. | ||
| Bob Chapman. | ||
| He comes back on January 23rd. | ||
| Why is he on two days in a row? | ||
| That's very weird. | ||
| The economy's coming down. | ||
| And KRS-One is doing it. | ||
| You think it's happening faster than you previously thought, degrading slowly for two or three years. | ||
| I know people can read the nuances of that in the International Forecaster, but for those that are listening right now, if you're revising your forecast... | ||
| I mean, project that for us. | ||
| Well, two weeks ago, in the forecaster, at the beginning of the forecaster, where I always put something where I want to catch people's attention, I said, this is it. | ||
| You go all in on gold and silver because they're going to take off. | ||
| Which I've never said before. | ||
| Never. | ||
| So go all in on gold and silver. | ||
| Go all in. | ||
| So not surprisingly. | ||
| That the only way to protect assets that you've earned, even paid taxes to the damn bankers. | ||
| Excuse me, folks. | ||
| That slipped out. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| Even with those people, I mean, all you can do is get gold and silver. | ||
| And I want to bring Ted Anderson in briefly here because Ted is still offering gold at the offer he did yesterday that was last week's prices that was, what, 30-something bucks under what he was able to buy it for. | ||
| And then today it's up 30-something more. | ||
| Those were great deals yesterday. | ||
| These deals are insane. | ||
| Ted offering yesterday's deal today, is that a good deal, Bob Chapman? | ||
| It doesn't get any better. | ||
| Jesus Christ, this is so overt. | ||
| We're going to have to put a counter on this one. | ||
| For one hour, we're going to be selling these prices for what they were yesterday. | ||
| We can't just let this go the whole time. | ||
| This is a limited-time offer. | ||
| Two days in a row, Alex has Bob Chapman on to talk doom and gloom about the economy, say you need to get in gold and silver, and then immediately transition to Ted Chapman coming in to do his sales pitch on gold and silver. | ||
| See, this is what makes me think the we're not in trouble is not necessarily a reality. | ||
| If they're pushing this hard. | ||
| It's tough to say. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Day to day. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Also, if he did this forecast two weeks ago, why would today be any different than yesterday? | ||
| Did he just get some sort of brand new forecast in the intervening? | ||
| Ted gave him a forecast. | ||
| You might be right. | ||
| They might be in trouble. | ||
| It's difficult to tell. | ||
| I think that Alex, and maybe it's just because he had a little bit more decorum back then and doesn't want to show ass. | ||
| Maybe that's why he said we're not in trouble. | ||
| Because he doesn't want to look like... | ||
| That's kind of what I was thinking. | ||
| Because modern day, he's given up the pretense of not being desperate. | ||
| Oh, not even bothering. | ||
| But maybe back then there was enough of like, eh, you know what? | ||
| If we don't make a ton of money, but we just survive, that's okay. | ||
| Maybe there was that feeling, but now he's, I need a lot of money. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's tough for me to tell. | ||
| But I will say that Alex has another guest on this show. | ||
| It's no KRS-One. | ||
| It's actually Cool Herc. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| This guy... | ||
| We have somebody, many people say, invented hip-hop, so I don't know if he's one of the good ones or the bad ones. | ||
| He was pre-good or bad hip-hop. | ||
| I suspect this guy does not stand with hip-hop. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure, but here's Alex's next guest. | ||
| Let's go to Steve Shank. | ||
| I haven't had him on in a few weeks. | ||
| And to give us a report on what's going on worldwide... | ||
| You know, my biggest reason, Steve, all along has not been food shortages or things like that caused by drought or any problems. | ||
| My problem and the reason I've told folks to storeable foods is the depression situation, to buy bulk food before they inflate the currency or the depression sets in. | ||
| And I've really been excited to hear these ads you're running on the network. | ||
| Of course. | ||
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for the three-day responder, because for $21, a multi-day... | |
| Bobby, give us the specifics, and I've only heard the ad twice. | ||
| What exactly is this new offer? | ||
| So Alex does like a half hour with his survival food sponsor. | ||
| He's much like the soap guy, but he doesn't say any limericks, so I'm not going to listen to him on the show. | ||
| Ah, come on! | ||
| They just talk about how, like, shit's going down, you're going to need food, and luckily I sell it, and Alex gets a cut. | ||
| It's just so fucking overt. | ||
| Three-day responder? | ||
| Yeah, that's three days' worth of food that he sells. | ||
| He sells these bins that have three days' worth of food. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Okay, but what if you run out after three days? | ||
| Well, see, that's what you keep... | ||
| So you should buy more than three days' worth of food, right? | ||
| Well, he also sells, like, 21-day bins and stuff like that. | ||
| But the three-day one is just for, like, minor tragedies. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Like, maybe a tornado or something like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or, like, let's say, that terrible storm, snowstorm that hit New York. | ||
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That's true. | |
| Last year, a couple years ago. | ||
| Three-day responder would have been great. | ||
| Would have been perfect for that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But they also do all this fucking shit on the show about, like, it's better than food. | ||
| They do a bunch of that. | ||
| I don't know why everybody isn't eating it all the time. | ||
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It's cheaper than groceries. | |
| It's too good. | ||
| Yeah, people could just get this and eat it. | ||
| You're giving a hard sell here. | ||
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I mean, is it that much different from Blue Apron? | |
| Like, at the end of the day, is it that much different? | ||
| It's Blue Apron plus fear, and so it's a little worse. | ||
| If Blue Apron was trying to scare you into buying it, then that would be bad. | ||
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And also, Blue Apron doesn't... | |
| You'll never learn to cook! | ||
| Let us do it for you! | ||
| Okay, there is a little fear there. | ||
| See, there you go. | ||
| But also, Blue Apron stuff is perishable. | ||
| You can't keep it in your shelf forever. | ||
| The survival food is like years worth. | ||
| See, that's why it's better than Blue Apron. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Everybody knows that military rations are the only thing to eat. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| So, on this show, also, I don't have any of this, and I might do a special episode by myself about this, because I think it merits covering, but we have a limited time. | ||
| You have a show tonight. | ||
| I couldn't make this a three-hour episode. | ||
| But there's a couple calls that Alex gets where they call him out on stuff, and it's really interesting how he responds, because he's arguing with this one guy, because this guy calls in, and he talks about how that subsection 51, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| The guy calls in, and he's like, you know, The subsection you're talking about, the next one after it, says you need consent. | ||
| Informed consent from everybody. | ||
| The thing that we bring up a bunch. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And Alex is like, I don't have it in front of me. | ||
| Maybe they changed it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Like that. | ||
| And then he goes to commercial and he's like, no, I'm going to talk to this guy over commercial. | ||
| Go to the live feed or whatever. | ||
| So on the radio, there is commercial playing. | ||
| But on the Infowars stream... | ||
| They're still talking. | ||
| They're still talking. | ||
| And he sort of equivocates with the guy a little bit. | ||
| I don't remember exactly what it is, but the guy brings up something. | ||
| He's like, you exaggerated about this. | ||
| This was completely wrong. | ||
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He's like, yeah, that one I was wrong about. | |
| He admits he's wrong, but it's not. | ||
| But it's not on the radio. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Yeah, so it wasn't about that subsection that he admits he's wrong. | ||
| It was something else that he admits he's wrong about. | ||
| But then after he admits he's wrong, you know, things change. | ||
| I was wrong about that, and I admit it. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
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Gotta let you go. | |
| Gotta get back to the show. | ||
| We're gonna get wrecked. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And then you hear the intro music, and he launches right back into his radio show. | ||
| Says the same bullshit. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's surreal, but at the same time, I don't think proves anything. | ||
| So that's why. | ||
| I can leave it off the actual episode because there's far more important things like KRS-One being on the show. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like Joe Rogan and this theme that's developing of almost a vaudeville routine. | ||
| Naked money-grubbing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This game that they're playing in order to sell gold. | ||
| So we get to the 25th, the Sunday show. | ||
| And Alex, like I said, one of the big reasons that we're doing this 2009 thing is that we see... | ||
| Shocking differences in Alex Jones philosophically from 2009. | ||
| If we go to the board, we can see that he's anti-police. | ||
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Yes. | |
| We can see that he is pro-net neutrality. | ||
| Also KRS-One. | ||
| He is explicitly pro-Palestinian. | ||
| Not KRS-One. | ||
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Uh-uh. | |
| He doesn't talk about Soros. | ||
| The bad guys are the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds. | ||
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Right. | |
| So these are some massive differences in that day's Alex Jones and present day Alex Jones. | ||
| And here comes another one. | ||
| Hillary Clinton just signed a new deal Friday with the leader of Israel, the Prime Minister of Israel, to in the next year either have Iran buckle to giving up their peaceful nuclear program or to be physically attacked. | ||
| So on the war front, Obama is actually expanding things. | ||
| That's why the neocons and Pat Robertson and others are coming out and endorsing him now. | ||
| Alex knew in 2009 that Iran's program of nuclear shit is peaceful. | ||
| He's the exact opposite now. | ||
| He says that they were trying to make nukes the entire time. | ||
| Like in the modern day with trying to make rationalizations for why Trump is cool to get out of the Iran deal and what have you. | ||
| Not least of which, what he's essentially talking about is Trump's position now. | ||
| Which is, you're either going to give those up, or we're going to use a military option. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Whereas Obama's position was, how about we settle this economically? | ||
| And we make an arrangement. | ||
| Like adults. | ||
| We make an arrangement wherein we give you your money back. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're so gracious. | ||
| You can get your money, and then also you will agree to all sorts of testing and oversight that we didn't have access to before. | ||
| And the Iran deal did have very specific pieces of like, if someone is not in compliance with the deal, these are the steps that can be taken. | ||
| So even if they thought, because there wasn't a thought that maybe they'll try and cheat, because some countries cheat on stuff. | ||
| When the deal was made, there was an expectation. | ||
| Countries like the United States. | ||
| Yeah, apparently. | ||
| But there was an expectation that that was a possibility. | ||
| And so there were pieces of the deal that dealt with that. | ||
| So now getting rid of the deal is the fucking stupidest thing in the world. | ||
| No, it's genius. | ||
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We can't get the money back. | |
| We're not going to be able to enforce the sanctions that were in place pre-Iran deal. | ||
| Gotta. | ||
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Because why? | |
| Who would go along with it? | ||
| Everybody. | ||
| The UN is not going to go along with it. | ||
| City on a hill, Dan. | ||
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Our fucking allies aren't going to go along with it. | |
| Shining city on a hill. | ||
| Our allies who are still a part of the deal aren't going to go along with it. | ||
| Like France? | ||
| Eh, we don't have allies anymore. | ||
| Everybody knows that America is chaos. | ||
| We're like a drunken ex-husband, you know, divorced dad. | ||
| That's the way the world treats us now. | ||
| Just pray that they go for a regime change instead of carpet bombing. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I don't pray for that. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| It's an exaggeration. | ||
| We still have to deal with this guy because we need the alimony money, but God, this is the worst human being in the world. | ||
| But more to the point, it's really, really fucked up that Alex, that's his position in 2009. | ||
| It's counter... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's counter 100% to current. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Everything that they say, they don't care about because all they're doing is playing team sports. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's all that's going on right now. | ||
| None of these people believe anything. | ||
| If Obama did what Trump is doing now, they'd say he's the worst president ever. | ||
| If Trump does anything that Obama does, they say it's the most brilliant idea. | ||
| Anything that Obama did, even if it was a good idea, even if they know it's a good idea, they have to support Trump undoing it. | ||
| It doesn't mean anything. | ||
| These people don't... | ||
| Believe in anything. | ||
| See, now, this is why, and we've touched on something, that is why I'm not interested in the current day anymore, like, of his show. | ||
| Because, number one, it's all distractions. | ||
| I went and watched the Thursday show from last week, and it was just piles of bullshit. | ||
| But when I watched the show... | ||
| People on our Facebook group do want us to talk about the present day, so maybe instead of Project Camelot on Wednesday, we'll do a modern day episode. | ||
| Just to be like, here you go! | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| We'll teach you a lesson! | ||
| One of the things that really struck me is that, first of all, it's an incredibly stupid show. | ||
| More so than in 2009, for sure. | ||
| Jumping back in and watching it after having not watched for two weeks of present day stuff, I was like... | ||
| Fuck, this is stupid. | ||
| I was just like, there's nothing there. | ||
| It's vapid. | ||
| And all of the things that I could really bring up are like, hey, his guest is a monster. | ||
| And I could tell you a laundry list of things about this guest. | ||
| Like, holy shit, look at this fucking dick. | ||
| And then all of the other stuff is like, he's a hypocrite. | ||
| And as we've talked about over and over again, you even brought up there, they don't care. | ||
| That doesn't matter. | ||
| It's a feature, not a bug. | ||
| The version of it in 2009, the hypocrite, is much more interesting to me because you can look at him and be like, hey, he's a hypocrite about X, Y, or Z. But the thing here that's hypocritical is his awareness in 2009 that Iran's nuclear program was for domestic use. | ||
| It was for electricity and research and stuff like that. | ||
| It wasn't for making weapons. | ||
| He knew that then. | ||
| That is a hypocrisy on some level in present day. | ||
| It's a clue. | ||
| It's a clue because the things that change, change for a reason. | ||
| And the specific things that change, change because someone fucking paid him to change his opinion. | ||
| So these are hypocrisy. | ||
| Are you saying that... | ||
| Many of these people are actually motivated more by money than ideology, Dan. | ||
| Look, no. | ||
| I mean, maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I haven't studied a whole lot of them. | ||
| I'm sure a lot of them... | ||
| I'm a student of human nature. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And, uh... | ||
| No, I'm not. | ||
| But these guys are still all liars. | ||
| We're just out for money. | ||
| The point that I'm trying to make is, like, in present day, it's a pointless hypocrisy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In the past, it's indicative of something that is a clue. | ||
| That will be, you know, there's follow-up on it. | ||
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Okay. | |
| All right, all right. | ||
| I get what you're saying. | ||
| I'm not trying to bust him for hypocrisies. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| I'm trying to use his own words to guide me towards like, huh, now who would have the specific goals in mind that Alex's rhetoric changes to fit? | ||
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Right. | |
| I think it's a short list. | ||
| Well, I mean, so that's a really brilliant way to go about it because What we are talking about in 2009 is a more independent Alex Jones. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| One who is not quite as beholden to so many of these bullshit artists. | ||
| He's independent in some ways, but then also... | ||
| But, of course. | ||
| So to see where his independence changes... | ||
| Then you start to see exactly whose motivations are changing that. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| I get what you're saying now. | ||
| And it's not just like, I don't like bisque! | ||
| And then Big Bisque comes in. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Weird example. | ||
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Big Bisque? | |
| Big Bisque. | ||
| Big Lobster Bisque. | ||
| You know, like, it's not a superficial thing where he changes... | ||
| See, now that actually sounds like Big Body Bess's better name. | ||
| Big Berkey? | ||
| Big Bisque. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Big Bisque Bess. | ||
| See, but Big Berkey is a water filter. | ||
| You don't want Bisque, a soup, to be associated with the filter. | ||
| People think it's the soup machine. | ||
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Oh, no. | |
| I'm talking about the rapper friend of shit. | ||
| Now I can't remember his name. | ||
| I thought you were talking about Big Berkey, the sponsor, the water filter sponsor. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| I am talking about Action Bronson's... | ||
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Oh. | |
| What, like a... | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| The point I was trying to make is that these are not superficial, pointless things that change. | ||
| They are positions that change. | ||
| The idea of being cool with what Iran was up to is a position that changes. | ||
| The idea of being pro-net neutrality and shifting to anti-net neutrality is a position that changes. | ||
| They aren't superficial. | ||
| Preferences, or something like that. | ||
| And they're hyper-specific. | ||
| Very. | ||
| That's perhaps the more revealing thing, is that these aren't just adopting a wide swath of Republican policies so much as... | ||
| Why would you change your opinion on specifically net neutrality when that is, if you thought about it, clearly against your best interests? | ||
| So if you're picking something that specific, it kind of says something. | ||
| And what are the things that don't change? | ||
| I think those are also important because they give you also another clue into who would court this guy. | ||
| You know, the things that don't change, like him thinking climate change is about carbon taxes. | ||
| Those sorts of things that are consistent. | ||
| His very pro-Russia stance. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Those sorts of things are things that all of this is clues. | ||
| And I understand why this isn't maybe as fun as listening to Alex break down and us laugh at him. | ||
| I get that. | ||
| But this is... | ||
| Substantially more important. | ||
| It's an investigation. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So Alex Jones, he said that he was going to talk to KRS-One tomorrow on the Friday show. | ||
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Right. | |
| There is no Saturday show. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So we're going to get some KRS-One. | ||
| But no, we're not. | ||
| But Alex- He made a specific policy change on KRS-One. | ||
| Alex went to- Who do we know who does not like KRS-One? | ||
| Koch Brothers. | ||
| Stated mission of Americans for Prosperity. | ||
| No KRS-One. | ||
| That might be one of their positions. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| But Alex went to the KRS-One show. | ||
| Oh, hell yeah! | ||
| And here is his report from it. | ||
| And then KRS-One gets up on stage. | ||
| After the other groups had played and was like, I'm down with Alex Jones. | ||
| I'm not down with Barack Obama. | ||
| Barack Obama's a New World Order puppet. | ||
| You watch. | ||
| And then he started going into all these raps and putting me in them and everything. | ||
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It was just... | |
| Yeah, he's not down with the... | ||
| And then I interviewed him over the phone last Friday because he couldn't make it to town until Saturday. | ||
| On the radio, and he said a lot of that. | ||
| He said, hip-hop is behind you. | ||
| But then after the show, I got to interview him for about 30 minutes, and he was telling me just how many people, I mean, the icons of hip-hop are huge fans of this radio show and the films and what we do. | ||
| And expanding from there, I talked to my buddy who does a major TV show in Hollywood, not Charlie Sheen, somebody else, and he told me the whole cast of the show, basically, You know, in their dressing rooms, listening to the radio show. | ||
| Because they'll sit there for hours having their makeup put on or reading scripts. | ||
| And, you know, then I talked to Joe Rogan, who was in town. | ||
| I had dinner with him last night before I went to meet with KRS-One, because he was here for his comedy routine. | ||
| In case you were wondering, I know famous people. | ||
| And he was telling me, he goes, oh yeah, a whole bunch of people. | ||
| A whole bunch of the biggest names. | ||
| And he was listing. | ||
| I'm not really up on ultimate fighting. | ||
| But he was telling me, like, all the big guys in it. | ||
| We're like huge fans and listen to the show. | ||
| I mean, it is getting exponential. | ||
| It's pretty crazy. | ||
| I am not saying anything about the relative intelligence of all UFC fighters. | ||
| The concussed gentleman? | ||
| I am not making any claims whatsoever. | ||
| I am not generalizing. | ||
| But, of course UFC fighters listen to Alex Jones. | ||
| Well, you can take that with a slight grain of salt. | ||
| I don't begrudge Alex for thinking that maybe everyone likes him when he has, in the same week, Joe Rogan and KRS-One making time for him. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Now, what they probably said were, yeah, a lot of people like you, or something like that. | ||
| He's building it up in his head and mythologizing it to a certain extent, where all rap pioneers love me, and everyone on a show that's definitely not Charlie Sheen's show, they all sit around in the dressing room and listen to me. | ||
| You can understand where... | ||
| He's got a big head! | ||
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You could kind of buy it, yeah. | |
| And maybe, like Icarus, it leads him to fly too close to the sun. | ||
| Because he thinks he's a much bigger deal than he is, perhaps, at this time. | ||
| Anyway, on a recent episode, I told you that I thought that Alex wasn't going along with the Obama didn't swear in, didn't do the inauguration correctly conspiracy. | ||
| Wait, now he's doing that one? | ||
| Yeah, he's on that. | ||
| Oh, great. | ||
| He's back on his bullshit. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Yeah, for those that don't know, the inauguration isn't official, the swearing in, unless they do it properly. | ||
| And we pointed that out, so Obama then, two days later... | ||
| Because he didn't do large parts of it. | ||
| Large parts of it. | ||
| Right there already Alex is saying, we reported on it and that made him redo it. | ||
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Of course. | |
| He's already taken credit for that, which is absurd. | ||
| He then was sworn in again, but this time they said secretly... | ||
| But they had one camera person there, but secretly he wouldn't let him record it, and he didn't swear in on a Bible. | ||
| But why have a camera person there? | ||
| And that was in the mainstream news. | ||
| So they did that on purpose, so he could then go have a private one and not do it on the Bible. | ||
| I guarantee you, there was all these big debates about would he swear in on a Bible, you know, was he really a Muslim, all this other stuff, and I kind of poo-pooed that. | ||
| But now you've got to ask yourself the question. | ||
| All right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So if I understand the conspiracy theory now... | ||
| And the way that it is metastasized is now we're past the Cinderella midnight theory of global politics, wherein if you don't do things right the first time, everybody invalidates it. | ||
| And we're on to the whole reason this happened is so people wouldn't see that Obama wasn't going to swear in on the Bible. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because he's stupid. | ||
| For example, Theodore Roosevelt didn't use a Bible when he was taking the oath in 1901. | ||
| John Quincy Adams and Franklin Pierce swore in on a book of law with the intention that they were swearing to the Constitution. | ||
| Lyndon B. Johnson was sworn in on a Roman Catholic missile on Air Force One. | ||
| What? | ||
| Missal. | ||
| M-I-S-S-A-L. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Because if you said missile on Air Force One, now I'm very interested. | ||
| It's a liturgical book that contains the instructions and texts necessary for the celebration of mass. | ||
| Oh, that one is page-turner. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Love that one. | ||
| There are plenty of presidents in our history who have sworn in on other things that are not the Bible. | ||
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No! | |
| So that's cockamamie. | ||
| That's nonsense. | ||
| Anything any of these people say. | ||
| You can go back in American history and be like, yeah, this guy already did that. | ||
| And they'll be like, it doesn't matter! | ||
| Make a big deal out of this. | ||
| It's a zero. | ||
| So, would you believe that Bob Chapman is on again? | ||
| No. | ||
| He's on again on the 25th. | ||
| And we learn a little bit more about him here on the 25th that is super duper interesting. | ||
| When I was nine, KRS-One and I tried to take down the Fed by ourselves. | ||
| He just popped in my ear and said something and I didn't understand it. | ||
| Okay, good. | ||
| We're going to have Bob Chapman on the economy with us. | ||
| I've been having him on a lot lately because his track record of predicting what's happening in the economy has been more accurate than most. | ||
| I'd say 95% accuracy. | ||
| Everyone is 95% accurate. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Everyone. | ||
| Just like every dictator gets 97% of the popular vote. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Every single person that Alex Jones talks to is 95% accurate. | ||
| So stupid. | ||
| Of course, he's had one of the biggest financial newsletters in the world until he retired. | ||
| Didn't. | ||
| And he was the largest private silver and gold broker as well. | ||
| And he's been fighting the globalists for 45 years. | ||
| He helped produce and publish an undair call of conspiracy with Gary Allen, his partner, worked with so many other leaders in the fight against the globalists. | ||
| I wanted to get him on. | ||
| That is big. | ||
| So many other leaders in the fight against globalists. | ||
| But that's big. | ||
| From 45 years ago. | ||
| I didn't know that Bob Chapman was responsible for financing and publishing None Dare Call It Conspiracy. | ||
| I did not know that either. | ||
| This is a big break in the sort of influence line of Alex Jones' life. | ||
| That's really, really important. | ||
| And it is... | ||
| Making it so we are going to need to do a full-on episode about an underecolic conspiracy in the very near future. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| Well, it'll be fun. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You'll be very mad. | ||
| But it also led me to be like, wait, I need to look into Bob Chapman. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because I was like, yeah, he's just a stupid gold guy, whatever, who cares? | ||
| He saw Reagan get buttfucked, who cares? | ||
| Yeah, immediately after that you're like, I'm not really worried about what this guy's doing. | ||
| I think he's a clown, like, for the most part. | ||
| Or I had thought he was a clown, and then I started to look into him. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| And Bob Chapman is... | ||
| What would I call him? | ||
| A fast car? | ||
| He's a blossoming flower of questions that cannot be answered because he's dead. | ||
| He's an onion bloom. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| There's layers and layers to it. | ||
| So here's a little bit about Bob Chapman. | ||
| He was a stockbroker from 1960 to 1988, during which period he was, quote, probably the largest gold and silver broker in the world, according to his bio. | ||
| So... | ||
| But I believe he was a big shot. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| He's a pretty big player. | ||
| But that begs the question, what the fuck happened between that period and now to reduce him to being from the top gold broker in the world, and thus obviously a billionaire, to being the panic-filled feature act that Alex uses to set up sales pitches from Ted Anderson? | ||
| Vietnam. | ||
| No. | ||
| After 1988. | ||
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| Well, it would have been the stock market crash of 87. No. | ||
| That's not after 88. Also, there was... | ||
| Yeah, but I actually looked into that, because I thought that 87 was possibly a source of, like, he lost everything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he couldn't have, because gold didn't dip that far. | ||
| Gold only took a short and fairly small dip. | ||
| It was not something that someone like Bob Chapman would have, unless he's fucking stupid, and just sold... | ||
| If he sold everything during that small dip that happened... | ||
| He'd still be a billionaire, though. | ||
| Yeah, most likely. | ||
| He'd be bitter as hell, probably. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But... | ||
| I watched Reagan get buttfucked for this? | ||
| It doesn't make sense. | ||
| He's someone who's like... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But if he was money, financial interest wouldn't be making him do this embarrassing shit on Alex's show. | ||
| These people are insane. | ||
| If he went broke... | ||
| Somehow, then that makes sense. | ||
| But if not, then there's some philosophy that is guiding him towards being this prop for Alex and Ted Anderson to use. | ||
| Ex-wife, maybe? | ||
| I don't think so, no. | ||
| I think he was just married once throughout his life. | ||
| But I looked into it a little bit more. | ||
| And interestingly... | ||
| From 1962 to 1976, he made pretty much all of his money from South African gold shares. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| You might notice. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| You might notice. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| He got ruined by apartheid? | ||
| Those years were when apartheid was alive and well. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| He was making killings on South African gold shares during a time... | ||
| Don't like the use of that word. | ||
| It was intentional. | ||
| So Bob claimed that after 1976, he started moving to North American gold and silver, and he cites the Soweto riots as the breaking point. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Interestingly, many experts view the Soweto riots as being a critical moment when resistance to apartheid became much more active and in the open, which obviously made his gold operation impossible to run, and thus he had to settle for North American gold, which would definitely be lower margins for him due to overhead expenses. | ||
| That don't exist in apartheid. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So he was making a killing off this shit, and then the oppressed black people started standing up for themselves. | ||
| The Soweto riots were about, like, education systems. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And a bunch of people died. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's horrible. | ||
| Tends to work that way. | ||
| So what you see then... | ||
| Is him having to shift from this super exploitative and white nationalist system of making money off the gold and the resources of South Africa into much less lucrative versions after 1976. | ||
| Should have switched into conflict diamonds. | ||
| Now, interestingly, not conflict diamonds, but from 1970 to 1973, in those years, Bob Chapman lived in Johannesburg, South Africa, and in Rhodesia. | ||
| Great. | ||
| There's literally no chance that he could live in two of the largest and cruelest white nationalist states in Africa for three years and not be keenly aware of how racial oppression was in place and how it worked. | ||
| And it is fucking telling that those three years do not seem to have informed his life and work at all. | ||
| The only explanation I can draw from that is he was perfectly fine with apartheid as a system that he was exploiting and making tons of money off of. | ||
| Yeah, I would say he wasn't just perfectly fine with it. | ||
| He was overjoyed. | ||
| Certainly possible. | ||
| Overjoyed. | ||
| Delightful. | ||
| So now here's the troubling piece. | ||
| That wasn't already enough? | ||
| He lived in Rhodesia in South Africa from 1970 to 1973. | ||
| None Dare Call It Conspiracy was published in 1971. | ||
| During the time that Bob Chapman would have been financing and helping get None Dare Call It Conspiracy published, he was living in apartheid South Africa in Rhodesia and making a killing off stealing and selling natural resources from apartheid countries. | ||
| Great. | ||
| So after this, he started publishing... | ||
| You ruined the guy who watched Reagan get buttfucked for me, Dan. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| I thought it was delightful for a while. | ||
| Turns out he's a white nationalist who's fucked over everybody for his entire goddamn life. | ||
| So after this point, he started publishing the Gary Allen Report, which I can't find any copies of or anything about, really, online. | ||
| I think it was an early newsletter type of thing, maybe even physical copies or on list serves on the internet, like really, really early type stuff. | ||
| He then went on to publish his claim to fame, the citation that Alex always gives for him, The International Forecaster, which is a newsletter that presents itself as being heady advice for investment in business, but I found an archive of it. | ||
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Oh! | |
| I started reading them. | ||
| Heady. | ||
| Heady advice. | ||
| They're ramblings about the New World Order and the Illuminati. | ||
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Right. | |
| How the economy was going to collapse immediately. | ||
| Any moment. | ||
| Any moment. | ||
| And constant insistences that people buy gold. | ||
| 95% correct. | ||
| The newsletter is 100% a vehicle for selling gold and fear... | ||
| Fear-based mongering. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So his entire career is based on white nationalist apartheid states gold. | ||
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Great. | |
| And now fear-based... | ||
| Pimping on Alex Jones' show. | ||
| Kind of a common trajectory. | ||
| This is incredibly fucked up stuff. | ||
| I mean, I'm trying to look even deeper and find out more connections that could possibly exist, but I don't think you get more messed up than the idea that the guy who was financing and helping put out an undarecolic conspiracy was in South Africa in apartheid era. | ||
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I'm really starting to think these white nationalists are bad. | |
| I don't think white nationalists are good people, Dan. | ||
| I don't think you can trust them. | ||
| Here's another interesting wrinkle. | ||
| Bob Chapman, in the International Forecaster, in one of the issues that he put out, very literally said that if Ron Paul doesn't get elected president, we're all doomed. | ||
| He's a big Ron Paul guy and has connections to the John Birch Society. | ||
| He's dead. | ||
| Yeah, he's dead. | ||
| He died of pancreatic cancer, I believe, a couple years back. | ||
| I think 2012, maybe? | ||
| All right. | ||
| Seems right. | ||
| All right, let's go kill him. | ||
| Let's get him again. | ||
| I can't even trust that he's dead. | ||
| He's probably living in some new Rhodesia somewhere. | ||
| Fucking asshole. | ||
| He's living in New Berlin. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Center of the earth. | ||
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Of course. | |
| With the beetle beings. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So, that's a real bummer. | ||
| But this appearance... | ||
| Why is he on on the 25th? | ||
| Well, I would hope to sell gold. | ||
| Before this segment ends, I want to bring Ted Anderson, the owner of the Genesis Network that syndicates this radio show, on because he also owns Midas Resources, 30-year gold brokerage. | ||
| So right there, I just want to be totally clear because we have to be super fair to Alex. | ||
| This is the only time that I've heard him correctly cite who Ted Anderson is. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He will say he's a sponsor or something like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But this is the only time that I think he's above board. | ||
| In terms of like FTC rules about you have to say that this person runs your fucking network and owns a gold sales thing. | ||
| So at least he's saying that, but I don't think most people listening would have heard it. | ||
| Silver brokerage. | ||
| Because Ted bought gold when it was $815 an ounce. | ||
| Now it's over $900 right now. | ||
| He has it in store. | ||
| And he also wants to, you've led us at his company, give people a free introductory copy of your latest hard copy newsletter of the International Forecaster. | ||
| They can also go to internationalforecaster.com. | ||
| So before this segment ended... | ||
| I wanted to briefly bring Ted in so he could, well, it's 800-686-2237, so they could call and find out about that, but also find out about the gold and silver deal that Ted's got going that only goes until midnight tonight, folks, because then he's going to be out of this position and have to buy gold at a higher price. | ||
| Most places don't even have gold and silver. | ||
| Would it be a smart move for people to physically have part of their 401k in gold or silver so they just trust the government and leave it in? | ||
| Physically? | ||
| Well, I recommend gold and silver-related assets. | ||
| Who would have guessed? | ||
| Very strongly, because as far as I can see, after all my years of experience... | ||
| This is the only place to be. | ||
| How good of a deal is it if Ted bought gold at $815 an ounce, and he's selling it at that price, priced into the market, when it's at $900? | ||
| How good of a deal is that? | ||
| Oh, it's terrific. | ||
| It goes without saying. | ||
| I mean, coins that he purchased probably for $145 he was selling at that level. | ||
| They're now $160 or whatever. | ||
| Let's bring Ted on. | ||
| That's a difference of $15. | ||
| Ted, take a Frank or a British sovereign. | ||
| Please. | ||
| All right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Like, that is so overt. | ||
| It's so... | ||
| So Bob has said then all... | ||
| Like, the only thing that then makes sense is that Bob has a vested interest in... | ||
| Genesis Communications, Midas Resources as well. | ||
| I can't find, at press time, I can't find a specific connection between the two past philosophical connections that Ted Anderson is a big booster for Ron Paul and also has... | ||
| Leanings towards the John Birchie sort of thing. | ||
| But you can both have that leaning without having this dude shill for you that hard. | ||
| I'm just saying that that's the only firm connection I can find between the two of them outside of appearances on the show. | ||
| There has to be a... | ||
| Because Bob Chapman was a player in the game. | ||
| He's not just going to stay on the sidelines and sell for somebody else. | ||
| The International Forecaster is a sponsor on Alex's show, and it appears that they're also a Genesis Communications sponsor. | ||
| So they buy ad time. | ||
| That's one connection, but it doesn't rationalize this. | ||
| It doesn't make sense that he would be, like, he's in many ways sticking his neck out. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He's putting his credibility as one of the world's largest gold and silver brokers into being like... | ||
| Formerly one of the world's largest. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| But Midas Resources is... | ||
| These deals are amazing. | ||
| And I don't want to read the pages of rip-off reports about Midas Resources. | ||
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Right. | |
| But you can find them if you Google it. | ||
| It's very easy to find pages and pages of people who got ripped off. | ||
| By Midas and Ted Anderson. | ||
| What else would they be doing? | ||
| Markups. | ||
| Constant markups. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| There's constant weird, like, hidden charges and fees. | ||
| People who bought gold at, like, a certain amount and then trying to resell it later, it's like, oh, the price is way down. | ||
| I can't find a buyer for you. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| That sort of shit is just constant with Ted Anderson's past. | ||
| And there's a reason that he lost his fucking Booyah license in 2015. | ||
| I'm trying to reinforce the point that you were making. | ||
| He has to have some sort of skin in this game. | ||
| Or else it doesn't make sense for him to... | ||
| But I think he probably also knows enough, if he has decades in the gold business, he knows that Ted Anderson is running a scam. | ||
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Right. | |
| So he knows that I want to get on board with this scam. | ||
| Because I used to run the fucking same scam, man. | ||
| Well, it's a slightly different one. | ||
| It has to do with oppressing countries. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Whereas Alex just... | ||
| That's a later wrinkle of his career. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wanting to racially oppress minorities. | ||
| So, I don't know, man. | ||
| I don't know what conclusions we can draw, but there's something really, really major about this. | ||
| There's something really, really fucked up. | ||
| What the fuck is Chapman doing? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| How old is he at this time? | ||
| Like, he died at 82 in 2012 or something along those lines, so he's gotta be late 70s right now. | ||
| Let me see. | ||
| So, Bob Chapman died at 76. Oh shit, so he's in his early 70s. | ||
| He died in 2012, so that's three years after this. | ||
| So yeah, he was 73? | ||
| 73. 73. So he's 73, not a big player in the game anymore, obviously, since he's on InfoWars. | ||
| No. | ||
| But he's still got something going on there. | ||
| Well, he has this international forecaster, but that amounts to him just being a... | ||
| Magazine version of a gold propagandist. | ||
| Yeah, but that doesn't really... | ||
| That can't really be that much of a business. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I mean... | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| But I have to assume he's also doing, like, consultant shit and stuff like that, giving financial advice to people on taking a cut. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I would assume. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| It's really weird. | ||
| That's an easy racket. | ||
| If you're hiring him, you should really already know what advice he's about to give you. | ||
| Unless he gives you really amazing advice once you're off the gold tip. | ||
| What we need to look at is this three days in Alex Jones' history open up a number of questions that I think are unexpected and they all have to do with Bob Chapman. | ||
| The first is what happened. | ||
| Or what didn't happen? | ||
| Like I said, there's a decent chance he's still a billionaire and coming on and shilling. | ||
| If he's shilling and not in financial disaster, then what is his motivation? | ||
| What's the philosophical reason? | ||
| Could just be he's old and bored and nobody else is paying attention to him anymore. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| Certainly we all know that Alex Jones' show is the one-stop shop for old weirdos. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who no one else will talk to anymore. | ||
| No one's going to talk to you anymore. | ||
| So that's possible. | ||
| Or the flip side is, if he is doing it for money, then what happened? | ||
| Where did he lose his billions of dollars? | ||
| Because he had to have had billions of dollars if he was raping South Africa. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Second question. | ||
| What was going on in 1970-1971 when he was living in Rhodesia and apartheid South Africa and helping Gary Allen get None Dare Call It Conspiracy published? | ||
| What the fuck was going on there, and is there a connection? | ||
| Is there some sort of a... | ||
| Is that a coincidence? | ||
| I'm gonna say no. | ||
| So there's that. | ||
| Gonna say no. | ||
| And then third thing is, I guess, I don't know. | ||
| Do they keep doing this? | ||
| Do they keep doing this super see-through skit? | ||
| When did Bob and Ted get together in the beginning? | ||
| That's another question. | ||
| That's my question right there. | ||
| I don't know if we can answer that from these... | ||
| Well, when did Ted get into gold sales? | ||
| I believe it was in the 90s. | ||
| In the 90s? | ||
| I believe so, yeah. | ||
| Is it possible that Chapman gave Ted a leg up? | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| You know, like, where else are you going to... | ||
| Maybe Ted is a Chapman acolyte. | ||
| Maybe Ted was like, oh, it's too late for me to rape a country, so I'll talk to this guy and see what happens. | ||
| I mean, it's possible. | ||
| Let me see if I can get a start date. | ||
| I'll try and rape North America. | ||
| I'll try and fleece idiots. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| I don't know if I can find a start date for Midas. | ||
| You just search for Midas Resources and there is a bunch of negative reviews. | ||
| Harshly negative reviews. | ||
| Not a solid BBB rating? | ||
| Go check out pissedconsumer.com. | ||
| Alright, I like that. | ||
| I don't know, I can't find a start date, but as I recall it's in the 90s. | ||
| Yeah, that's possible. | ||
| It's possible that he was his mentor. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| His Darth Vader. | ||
| If you will. | ||
| Also, that is another piece of it that needs to come into question. | ||
| Another big question is, clearly, Bob Chapman is an indication of someone who is fine with or supports white nationalism. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You can't have the career that he had without that being the case. | ||
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Nah. | |
| It's pretty well impossible. | ||
| So, how much of that is relevant? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| When you get to it, I think most of these people who are so violent towards the rights of any kind of labor are also violently white nationalists as well. | ||
| I mean, you want to talk to, or let's talk about the Koch brothers, whether or not race is their stated boogaboo, so to speak. | ||
| They're all of their... | ||
| Yeah, I don't know what... | ||
| Bugaboo. | ||
| Bugaboo. | ||
| Where did that come from? | ||
| Boogaboo. | ||
| Boogaboo is... | ||
| It's a great Destiny's Child song. | ||
| Bugaboo. | ||
| All of the things that they are for, that they are advocating for, are essentially racial violence. | ||
| If you start talking about getting rid of the social safety net, that is when you start doing the math, that is mainly... | ||
| Racial violence. | ||
| Well, it's class and racial violence. | ||
| It's those two things mixed together. | ||
| It is those two things mixed together, but what's the highest percentage? | ||
| All of these things, all of these policies that these conservative fuckfaces want to divorce from their white nationalist leanings always wind up disproportionately, if not entirely, affecting American minorities. | ||
| Well, the thing that I would just bring in to that conversation, I guess, is violence is the outcome. | ||
| But is it intentional violence or is it just a lack of regard or lack of caring that that's the outcome? | ||
| I don't know if it matters, but it does for the conversation. | ||
| It doesn't matter in terms of it being wrong. | ||
| Both are wrong. | ||
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Right. | |
| But it does matter in some ways because you have people who are like, you know, Daily Stormer. | ||
| And stuff like that, who are like, no, I get hard thinking about destroying minorities. | ||
| And then you have people who are probably, like Bob Chapman, I would say probably isn't like an out-and-out racist. | ||
| He's just like, oh, this system that really viciously oppressed a minority group. | ||
| Or I guess they weren't a minority. | ||
| No, they were the majority. | ||
| But you know what I mean? | ||
| Like the non-white group. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| This system was really lucrative, and I made a ton of money off it. | ||
| Colonialism does work for a very small number of people. | ||
| So I'm going to pretend that I don't notice the violence. | ||
| I'm going to notice that I'm unaware of it or something like that. | ||
| The outcome is the same, but it's different in terms of what you want to keep your eyes open for, the clues and the points. | ||
| I mean, I don't find too much... | ||
| I don't particularly... | ||
| Whether or not there is a distinction to be made, I don't give a fuck. | ||
| It's academic. | ||
| Do you know what I'm saying? | ||
| Whether or not the malicious intent is there bothers me far less than that it's being done. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
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No, no, no, no. | |
| I understand, and I agree with you. | ||
| But I'm just saying, for keeping things straight... | ||
| In terms of what we're looking at. | ||
| Which is another one of their stated goals. | ||
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Totally. | |
| But in terms of not getting off track and being like, Bob Chapman's a racist or something like that, it's important. | ||
| That distinction is only important in so much as it could lead us down a stupid road that isn't accurate in terms of what are the influences that are going on with Alex? | ||
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Right. | |
| He is a racist, but whether or not that is important to the investigation is a different question. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| I'll accept that only because you've got to get out of here. | ||
| You've got a show tonight. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So let's do it. | ||
| So this brings us to the end of January 22nd through 25th in 2009. | ||
| I think there's a lot of revelations here. | ||
| First, that KRS-One was on Infowars. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Weird. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Why not? | ||
| Nobody asks Alex follow-up questions, which is unfortunate. | ||
| Nobody. | ||
| Nobody ever asks a follow-up question. | ||
| And then Alex... | ||
| Somebody just credulous people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Alex, Ted Anderson, and Bob Chapman are clearly running a three-man, three-card Monty-style scam on the radio, wherein Bob and Alex do some riffing about fear and then bring in the closer. | ||
| It's exactly like you sussed out at the beginning of the episode, the timeshare salesman metaphor is perfect. | ||
| So... | ||
| What the fuck is wrong with these guys? | ||
| I'm excited for what we're going to end up learning because that Saturday, the 24th, is when that first tea party thing happened. | ||
| That first little protest. | ||
| And so now we're in it. | ||
| We're in it. | ||
| We're in the point where this is growing and people are talking about it. | ||
| My suspicion is Alex is going to be against it to start with. | ||
| He's going to be like the... | ||
| Strongly disagree. | ||
| You think he's going to jump on board right away? | ||
| I think he's going to be petty and bitchy about how it's supposed to be his movement. | ||
| I agree with that. | ||
| And these guys aren't real. | ||
| I don't think he's going to be against it, but I agree that he's going to be petty and jealous. | ||
| I think he's going to be like, why the fuck am I not? | ||
| Who didn't call me? | ||
| Why wasn't I up there with fucking Tyranny Crusher 2? | ||
| Why didn't Ron tell me that this was going on? | ||
| So I think there's going to be some of that, but I think he's going to get with the program pretty quick. | ||
| That's my theory. | ||
| But we'll see. | ||
| We'll see how it plays out. | ||
| Because you and I are both just spitballing now. | ||
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We have no idea. | |
| I give it two weeks. | ||
| I say two weeks. | ||
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From the 25th? | |
| From the 25th to whenever it will be. | ||
| I give it two weeks before he is right there saying that these guys are the ones who are going to save us. | ||
| Alright, my prediction is a little bit more than... | ||
| I'm going to take the over. | ||
| You're going to take the over on two weeks? | ||
| Well, that's not fair. | ||
| I thought you were going to take... | ||
| That's just me playing the field, really. | ||
| I thought you were going to take the under. | ||
| I thought you were going to be like, I'm going to give him two and a half hours. | ||
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No. | |
| Because we've seen this trend that goes throughout Alex that he keeps getting left behind by stuff. | ||
| Like, we see it already with... | ||
| With Ron Paul going on Glenn Beck in this episode. | ||
| You see it in modern day with QAnon. | ||
| You see it with Bitcoin. | ||
| He waffles back and forth with Bitcoin for being like, I don't trust it. | ||
| It's the only thing to trust. | ||
| No, he doesn't do that. | ||
| He doesn't say that to his credit. | ||
| But he does have moments where he's like... | ||
| I could have gotten really rich. | ||
| Just listen to Max Keiser. | ||
| Everybody's stupid. | ||
| Oh man, I wish I had invested in Apple. | ||
| Come on, you weren't going to. | ||
| Don't worry about it now. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| But that's why I think it's going to be longer. | ||
| If there's one thing that is through line, through Alex's career, beyond just being in favor of Russia, it's that he is a late adopter. | ||
| He is someone who comes to the party late and then is like, I was here the whole time. | ||
| Not just he was here the whole time. | ||
| He started it. | ||
| Yeah, it's my part. | ||
| He often starts everything. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Strangely enough. | ||
| So I think it's going to take him longer because he doesn't understand reality. | ||
| But then, also, it's really fun because we mentioned QAnon. | ||
| Jerome Corsi and Alex Jones have turned on QAnon. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Still going to crib highly from their articles, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Gotta guess that. | ||
| They claim that QAnon has been taken over by the globalists. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| The globalists took over QAnon? | ||
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So stupid. | |
| When did they get there? | ||
| They got the passwords. | ||
| Or were they there the whole time? | ||
| It's so stupid. | ||
| What happened is that QAnon started making fun of Jerome Corsi, sort of, like vaguely making fun of him, and Jerome Corsi got mad about it, and now he's like, this is fake. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Ah, these petty idiots. | ||
| So stupid. | ||
| So fucking stupid. | ||
| Anyway, I thank you, Jordan, for taking time out of your busy day to come in and do this. | ||
| This is much more fun than sitting here with a plastic Cthulhu bank. | ||
| Spoiler alert, I don't remember who it was, but someone was like, hey, I have that same bank. | ||
| And I was like, it is not a bank. | ||
| Because I thought it was just a plastic figurine. | ||
| And that is why you turned on QAnon. | ||
| They started making fun of your Cthulhu bank. | ||
| But I actually have to cop to it. | ||
| It's a bank. | ||
| It's a bank. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| God damn it, dear. | ||
| I'm very sorry about my... | ||
| You fucking liar. | ||
| My reactive comment. | ||
| Anyway, if you want more of the show, you can check us out at knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You can follow us on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| We're on Facebook. | ||
| We are indeed. | ||
| You can find us on iTunes. | ||
| Can you find us on iTunes? | ||
| We're there. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And then, Jordan, since you... | ||
| You know, you weren't here for the last episode. | ||
| It's time for you to choose someone to end this episode. | ||
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Oh, man. | |
| Come on. | ||
| It's obviously go fuck yourself, Reagan, but literally buttfuck yourself, Reagan. | ||
| Ah, I get it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |