Today, Dan tells Jordan all about the time that Charlie Sheen popped up on The Alex Jones Show and began the uncomfortable public spectacle that would take on a life of its own. Most people remember the quotes, but many forget that the kick-off occurred on The Alex Jones Show. Come for the uncomfortable rambling, stay for Alex being a bad friend for broadcasting this.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| How's it going out there? | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| That is indeed what we do, Dan. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's my new thing. | ||
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Yep. | |
| What's up? | ||
| Dan, do you know a lot about Alex Jones? | ||
| So much. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| That's when you were supposed to do the yep. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I set you up! | ||
| I know, I'm sorry. | ||
| I set you up for it! | ||
| I'm not good at the two-man game. | ||
| Dan, do I know a lot about Alex Jones? | ||
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Nope! | |
| There we go! | ||
| Nailed it! | ||
| Speaking of nailing it, guys, we've got a lot to get to before we get into today's episode. | ||
| First thing, I mean, just one-to-one on the nailing it. | ||
| I've got to let everyone know a big congratulations out to our friend Jordan here for making an amazing homemade pizza last night. | ||
| We went over to your place and you made a great homemade pizza. | ||
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It was awesome. | |
| It was alright. | ||
| I think it deserves celebration and the people need to know about it. | ||
| It was a good pizza. | ||
| It was fantastic. | ||
| It was my second go around. | ||
| The first one, not good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| But this one was a fantastic affair. | ||
| And speaking of fantastic affairs, I gotta say. | ||
| Great transition. | ||
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Amazing. | |
| We have a couple of amazing policy wonks to give a shout out to today. | ||
| This is big league stuff. | ||
| Not that other people and their donations to the show aren't awesome. | ||
| They're all fantastic. | ||
| But today, we get to give a shout-out to someone who donated as a policy wonk. | ||
| But for reasons I'll explain here in a minute, I'm bumping him up to a globalist just right off the bat. | ||
| Damn! | ||
| So I'd like to give a shout-out to our new policy wonk, who is a globalist. | ||
| Has a sweet-ass name. | ||
| Thank you so much, Dan. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Four stars. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy shark! | ||
| So thank you so much, Dan. | ||
| I know it's not you, Dan, because you are broke. | ||
| You couldn't donate to our show if you wanted to. | ||
| No, I could not. | ||
| But this Dan B. The reason that we're bumping him... | ||
| Dan Byrne? | ||
| He's a great music singer-songwriter. | ||
| That could be him. | ||
| The reason we're bumping him up to Globalist right off the bat is, along with the donation, he sent an awesome message, and that is, I've been listening through all the old episodes to catch up. | ||
| On April 17th, 2017, you mentioned buying fillyourhand.com and redirecting it to your site. | ||
| You didn't do it, so I did. | ||
| No! | ||
| Dan B! | ||
| So thank you so much, Dan. | ||
| Dan B, you're a god... | ||
| Goddamn hero! | ||
| That's the coolest thing ever. | ||
| That is the coolest thing ever. | ||
| And now, if you go to FillYourHand.com, it's redirectsToKnowledgeWrite.com, which is awesome. | ||
| I have never been in love the way that I am in love with you right now, Danby. | ||
| It's so cool because I had forgotten that we even said that. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| Of course! | ||
| Yeah, that's the coolest thing. | ||
| So thank you so much. | ||
| And then also, I'd like to give a shout-out to someone who, I mean, you know, this is obviously a pseudonym, or maybe it's not, and fiction is reality. | ||
| But coming right in as a technocrat, we'd like to thank you so much, John Wick. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Four stars. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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He's a loser little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ. | ||
| Thank you so much, John Wick. | ||
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We appreciate it. | |
| Oh, man. | ||
| If that is a... | ||
| Look. | ||
| If that's like sending a black dot, John Wick is coming for it. | ||
| Have you killed any puppies recently? | ||
| Zero. | ||
| Okay, good. | ||
| Recently. | ||
| Zero in my life. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, I just got a message from somebody that on April 12th of 2017, you killed a puppy, and that's why John Wick donated. | ||
| That is not true. | ||
| I swear. | ||
| So thank you so much. | ||
| These are really awesome turns of events. | ||
| And if you'd like to become a policy wonk, you may do so by going to our website, knowledgefight.com. | ||
| I'm clicking the Sport the Show button. | ||
| Honestly, I'm very self-conscious about this. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| So far. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Well, I mean, I feel like I have low energy. | ||
| You know, I feel like I didn't... | ||
| Oh, do you mean the show right now? | ||
| Yeah, I feel like I didn't do a good job thanking those people. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Your anxiety and self-loathing are high. | ||
| High today. | ||
| Yeah, you know what? | ||
| You're up. | ||
| Today, I woke up, and I don't know what it is. | ||
| I'm not in it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I tried... | ||
| It was that fucking pizza, wasn't it? | ||
| It could have been the pizza. | ||
| Oh, goddammit. | ||
| I tried to get it up for the show today. | ||
| I tried to listen, and I was just like, I can't do it. | ||
| I'm not interested in it, and I really tried to force it. | ||
| It's one of the challenges of doing a show like this. | ||
| Sometimes it's not fun. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The studying portion, especially, is not fun. | ||
| And so I was like... | ||
| I gotta show up. | ||
| And I do have a fun episode for us to do today. | ||
| Is this like, are you telling us this is your Michael Jordan flu game? | ||
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Somewhat, yes. | |
| You're under the weather and you're still going to fucking deliver? | ||
| Is that what's going on here? | ||
| We'll see about the delivering. | ||
| We'll see how that turns out. | ||
| Talk to me after the show. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But yeah, I really, just my heart and soul wasn't in this. | ||
| But I think it's going to work out okay. | ||
| But my heart and soul is in. | ||
| Damn it. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Fuck. | ||
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Fuck you. | |
| Give me more of that transition. | ||
| Give me a take two on that one. | ||
| You know what doesn't need a second take? | ||
| Our March Madness bracket. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| On the last episode, I promised we'd have a bunch more matchups today. | ||
| And because I kind of a little bit... | ||
| I didn't. | ||
| We'll do a bunch of matchups on the next episode. | ||
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Oh, dear. | |
| But we have one matchup today. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| On the last episode, we introduced the Guests Division. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And I'm not surprised to report Steve Pachenik is trouncing Hamamoto in the voting. | ||
| That one's too good. | ||
| But today we introduced the... | ||
| You could have asked how I was doing. | ||
| So good. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| Today we introduced the Religious Division. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| And so we have... | ||
| Oh, this is going to be some heavy hitters then. | ||
| There's some good stuff. | ||
| We have today the number four seed in the religious division was from January of this year when Alex Jones was out among the people celebrating the inauguration and he said this about needing to go pray. | ||
| I'm going to go get settled down in an office and just take a shower or something and just get on my knees and pray to God. | ||
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I'll be honest with you, I want to get in a room by myself and hit my knees and start crying because this is so good! | |
| And I'm telling you, man, the evil's going to strike back. | ||
| We've got to be watching them. | ||
| We've got to be ready. | ||
| But we know who they are. | ||
| We know their plan. | ||
| And I've got to say it. | ||
| It's been InfoWars. | ||
| It's been InfoWars and you the people and our analysis. | ||
| Tell them, Alex. | ||
| I like that there's the tell them, Alex, the bullshit. | ||
| I got to pray. | ||
| Also, it's been our analysis. | ||
| Yes, Infowars.com is great. | ||
| I think the selection committee probably put that in the four seed over some of his lengthy rants about the devil because of the fake tears. | ||
| I think the fake tears and the guy yelling bullshit. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| That one's a big fan. | ||
| That one's good. | ||
| That elevates this clip. | ||
| It will surprise literally nobody that that will be going up against the number one seed from our first episode ever. | ||
| Oh, is it? | ||
| It might be time. | ||
| It's time. | ||
| I mean, this is in a red-able. | ||
| Just red alert, red alert, red alert. | ||
| This is getting crazy. | ||
| This is so frickin' out of control. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Our Heavenly Father, please help us open our eyes. | ||
| Please help us be good. | ||
| We're so sorry for all the abortions and all the evil in our name. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| I just love the... | ||
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Red alert! | |
| The rhythm on that. | ||
| And if you recall, the reason that he was going into that, thinking that it's time to pray, was because he thought that Benjamin Netanyahu was going to get arrested immediately. | ||
| Which adds a weird layer to it that... | ||
| Anyway, I think that... | ||
| Unfortunately, this might be another one that the upset is going to be very difficult for the contenders. | ||
| It's Time to Pray is legendary. | ||
| It kind of is. | ||
| Especially with the legacy of being on our first episode. | ||
| It's an uphill battle for the bullshit yeller at the rally. | ||
| But we will see. | ||
| Voting will be open on our Facebook group. | ||
| Go home and tell your mother you're brilliant. | ||
| Currently, I'm... | ||
| I'm leaning towards that as the favorite for the whole tournament. | ||
| It's going to be tough for something else to come in, although I have some surprises. | ||
| I have some things that you might have forgotten that are absurd. | ||
| Some dark horse candidates? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Let's find out. | ||
| Speaking of dark horses... | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| I thought you said you weren't in it today. | ||
| Your transitions are fire, my friend! | ||
| Well, that's just muscle memory. | ||
| I can do that asleep. | ||
| So today, Jordan, like I said, I didn't care for his show today. | ||
| I found it very boring and didn't want to play games with it. | ||
| And I was trying to think about, like, maybe today we go back and we go to 2008, but that takes way too much time. | ||
| I didn't have the time to do it. | ||
| And I don't want to half-ass that. | ||
| I don't want to half-ass anything. | ||
| But I found something that we can half-ass. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And that is... | ||
| The day that Charlie Sheen destroyed his own life on Alex's show. | ||
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Ah! | |
| That was on Alex's show? | ||
| Do you not remember this? | ||
| I remember him destroying his life. | ||
| I didn't remember that it was on Alex's show. | ||
| Let me give you a little bit of history. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, at the time, in 2011, Charlie Sheen was making $1.8 million per episode on Two and a Half Men in what would be his last season of the show. | ||
| Also, at this point... | ||
| He had... | ||
| I'm just going to give you a little bit of backstory on him. | ||
| In 1998, Charlie Sheen had a stroke after overdosing on cocaine. | ||
| In January 1990, Sheen accidentally shot his fiancée in the arm. | ||
| Accidentally shot her in the arm. | ||
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Hey, that happens. | |
| That's just called the Burroughs special. | ||
| Sheen pleaded guilty to misdemeanor assault charges involving his wife, Brooke Mueller, in August 2010 receiving a sentence of 30 days probation as well as rehab and anger management counseling. | ||
| His second wife, Denise... | ||
| accused him of physically and verbally abusing her and threatening her life. | ||
| She obtained a restraining order against him in 2006. | ||
| Well, that's good. | ||
| On October 26, 2010, Charlie Sheen was removed from the Plaza Hotel after doing over $7,000 in damages to the property. | ||
| According to the New York Police Department... | ||
| Charlie Sheen admitted he was drinking and doing cocaine that night. | ||
| I was going to say, I thought you were going to say he did over $7,000 of cocaine. | ||
| He might have. | ||
| So, in January of 2011, production was forced into hiatus on Two and a Half Men because Charlie had to go to rehab after he was hospitalized following a three-day coke binge, the third time he'd tried to get clean in the past year. | ||
| Then, on February 18th, 2011, Charlie Sheen went on The Alex Jones Show and acted like a drugged-up idiot. | ||
| Which is literally the reason he ended up getting fired from his show. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| All of that stuff, Charlie Sheen's public meltdown, all of it started on Alex Jones' show. | ||
| I did not know that. | ||
| We're going to listen through this. | ||
| I thought it was on Barbara Walters or something like that. | ||
| Interestingly, we're not going to listen to it here because it's only four minutes long and a clusterfuck. | ||
| But later, because Alex is the beginning of this arc... | ||
| Alex goes on The View to defend Charlie Sheen. | ||
| What? | ||
| So that might be where you're getting some Barbara Walters connection. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That can't be real. | ||
| Then he starts screaming about- Wait, the View allowed Alex Jones on their fucking show? | ||
| It's pretty wild, because he keeps trying to say, like, Charlie Sheen doesn't do drugs. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| And what have you. | ||
| And then it just turns into people yelling over each other. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| He wants to talk about the banks and what have you. | ||
| And Whoopi is like, can we please talk about Charlie Sheen? | ||
| I don't want to talk about any of this. | ||
| It's such a mess. | ||
| And everybody remembers the tiger blood. | ||
| Everybody remembers a lot of these quotes. | ||
| And what they forget is a lot of them started on Alex Jones' show. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| The Vatican assassin stuff. | ||
| All of that comes... | ||
| But that was proven true. | ||
| Well, absolutely. | ||
| The Black Nobility. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| So this is a fateful day. | ||
| It's interesting that history has rewritten because the public meltdown went so much further. | ||
| And Charlie Sheen is a giant star. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That his appearance on Alex Jones' show kick-started a lot of it. | ||
| And it's largely forgotten in the general public consciousness. | ||
| Because, of course, I had no idea that he'd even gone on Alex Jones' show in the fucking first place. | ||
| A lot of people forget that. | ||
| But we are not ones to forget. | ||
| There's not a lot to debunk here. | ||
| Really just we're going to end up listening to Charlie Sheen act like an idiot and Alex Jones laugh because he knows that this is going to get him so much rest. | ||
| This is great! | ||
| This is going to get me on The View. | ||
| He should set his sights higher than that, but whatever. | ||
| Spoiler alert, throughout the interview they will reference someone named Nails. | ||
| I thought it was just a friend of theirs named Nails. | ||
| Turns out it's Lenny Dykstra. | ||
| Yeah, no, I thought... | ||
| Everybody knew who Nails was. | ||
| I did. | ||
| I know that's Dykstra's nickname. | ||
| I did not know that the two of them were talking about specifically Lenny Dykstra. | ||
| They have to because Lenny Dykstra is the only person maybe as crazy as those two guys are. | ||
| And he shows up at the end of the interview. | ||
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What? | |
| Why? | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dykstra shows up. | ||
| And... | ||
| We don't... | ||
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Why is he... | |
| Wait, does he just know when people are speaking about him in the ethersphere? | ||
| Or were they aware? | ||
| They're all friends. | ||
| And so, like, we're not going to listen to any of that because it... | ||
| The surreality of Alex Jones talking to Charlie Sheen and Lenny Dykstra is overshadowed by how boring it is. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| It's really nothing. | ||
| Oh, that's disappointing. | ||
| Well, Charlie, he doesn't like sharing the guest seat. | ||
| He wants to be daddy. | ||
| See, I want Lenny Dykstra to be trying to sell Charlie Sheen on a fake property. | ||
| That's the goal I have there. | ||
| Dykstra's just basically like, ha ha, isn't this guy awesome? | ||
| Which I would argue is both him and Alex being bad friends. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway, here's the first clip. | ||
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The word enabler is a very important word. | |
| You know what's going on, and people are so mystified by this odyssey that refuses to stop calling itself Charlie Sheen. | ||
| Absolutely, Charlie. | ||
| It was good to see you a few weeks ago at your home. | ||
| Likewise. | ||
| You are looking great, and you're completely clean, aren't you? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| You know, here's your first pee test. | ||
| Next one goes in your mouth. | ||
| No, you won't get high. | ||
| It's all good. | ||
| It's all good, guys. | ||
| Quit panicking. | ||
| No panicking. | ||
| No panic, no judgment. | ||
| And you're working out even a couple times a day sometimes. | ||
| Well, yeah, but there's only one time in the gym if you catch my drift, Alex. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| We're not live, are we? | ||
| No, we're live. | ||
| Charlie, speaking of that, the media, you don't want to go there. | ||
| So real quick, we'll get back. | ||
| The clip's not done. | ||
| But throughout this time and whenever Alex goes on The View and... | ||
| They're referencing also after this, Charlie Sheen allowed cameras into his house and they publicly took his blood to be tested to prove that he's not on drugs. | ||
| But it's kind of interesting because blood testing for drug use is incredibly, incredibly accurate. | ||
| It's very good for finding stuff. | ||
| But unfortunately... | ||
| The amount of time it's detectable in your blood, the window is very short. | ||
| So, for instance, amphetamines aren't detectable after like 10 hours in your blood. | ||
| That's good to know. | ||
| Methamphetamine is about 24 hours. | ||
| Barbiturates, possibly about a day or two. | ||
| Benzos. | ||
| Could be as quick as six hours later is out of your blood. | ||
| Cocaine, generally about 12 hours. | ||
| It's not detectable in your blood. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| I'm not convinced. | ||
| Oh, LSD also? | ||
| Zero. | ||
| Yeah, I was going to say, that's hard to detect, period. | ||
| PCP, about 12 hours, generally speaking. | ||
| Never done PCP. | ||
| The idea that he's proving that he's not doing drugs by having them take his blood is like, you could just time this. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| You would hope he would have done some research on it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Before he committed to that. | ||
| So I'm sorry, I interrupted you there. | ||
| I was never a big fan of the whole Charlie Sheen meltdown just because... | ||
| No, me neither. | ||
| It's sad. | ||
| I mean, I don't like watching somebody who is clearly mentally ill on top of doing all that. | ||
| Like, you're not... | ||
| You don't wind up doing a shit ton of cocaine and all of this shit without having some underlying mental issues going on. | ||
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Oh, absolutely. | |
| And it's clear that he is, if not of my people, at least adjacent to the bipolar community. | ||
| Oh, definitely. | ||
| And so it was like a little bit of... | ||
| I mean, at a certain point... | ||
| You stop punching up whenever you're mocking a celebrity and you start really punching down. | ||
| That's kind of my issue there. | ||
| Because the celebrity portion gets eclipsed by the human portion of it. | ||
| That whole time period was very uncomfortable for me because I did know a few people who were like, ha ha, isn't this awesome? | ||
| And I thought, no, this is not awesome. | ||
| This is painful. | ||
| This is really tough to watch. | ||
| I think my biggest issue, though, is... | ||
| Alex went to Charlie's house? | ||
| Oh yeah, they're buddies. | ||
| Are they friends? | ||
| Yeah, they've been friends for a long time. | ||
| Have they been friends for a long time? | ||
| Yeah, they're both crazy. | ||
| Why? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| If I had known that, I would have... | ||
| So whenever Alex starts talking about star fuckery, how come he doesn't bring up Charlie Sheen all the time? | ||
| He does sometimes, but I think that the way that this ends up playing out, he doesn't want to bring it up much. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| Especially the way... | ||
| I don't want to tease too much, but the stuff that Charlie Sheen has said lately about this period of his life, I don't think Alex wants to associate necessarily too closely. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because Charlie Sheen's retconned a whole bunch of stuff. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Let's say. | ||
| Spoiler alert, at the end of this, he's going to claim it was a steroid cream that gave him roid rage. | ||
| Oh, that sounds right. | ||
| Yeah, so he looks back on it and he's like, this was a very cringey time. | ||
| Oh man, I bet Alex stopped being friends with Charlie when he stopped being as famous. | ||
| I would almost guarantee that. | ||
| Possibly. | ||
| I don't think Alex... | ||
| I think Alex is such a star fucker that he... | ||
| The moment the star fades, he's like, I gotta find new famous friends. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I think he abandoned Charlie Sheen. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know if there's... | ||
| I don't know what... | ||
| And he did kill Nock. | ||
| That's possibly true. | ||
| Don't tell John Wick. | ||
| I don't want to ever defend yourself, but you've told me privately most of the stuff, most of the names, it's not true. | ||
| But what is going on with the women in your life? | ||
| The goddesses. | ||
| Alex, the goddesses. | ||
| Let me just say this about the goddesses. | ||
| I don't believe the term is good enough. | ||
| But when you're bound by these terrestrial descriptions, you must use the best choice available, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So if you think about it, dude, it's like I'm 0 for 3 with marriage. | ||
| Yeah, you are. | ||
| With narrowing excuse, but like in baseball, the scoreboard doesn't lie. | ||
| Never has. | ||
| So what we all have is a marriage of the heart. | ||
| Of the hearts. | ||
| And to sully, to contaminate, or radically disrespect this union with a shameful contract is something I will leave to the amateurs and the Bible grippers. | ||
| The Bible Grippers. | ||
| You nailed it. | ||
| Nailed it. | ||
| Winning. | ||
| What's strange there is... | ||
| When somebody like that uses the term goddess, that is simply another way of demeaning women. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| It's such a strange thing for him to, like... | ||
| Terrestrial words aren't enough, but scoreboard doesn't lie. | ||
| And you're like, fuck you. | ||
| What are you fucking talking about? | ||
| And he's talking about the porn stars that he's hanging out with. | ||
| Oh, well, that's fine. | ||
| Hey, I don't judge anybody in the sex work industry. | ||
| No, neither do I, but it's just like you have to look at the picture of what he was doing at that time. | ||
| Fair, fair. | ||
| Because in this next clip, actually, we'll even get to it, they talk about whether his, I believe, then-wife is involved with his shenanigans, and he has a very interesting spin on it. | ||
| And then I just got to add this. | ||
| There was a whole firestorm yesterday about Brooke being a part of our crew, and let me just say this. | ||
| All I'm going to say about it is that where there were four... | ||
| There are now three. | ||
| Bye-bye, Brooke, and good luck in your travels. | ||
| You're going to need it badly. | ||
| So Brooke did go along with you, but she's not there now. | ||
| No, she's not there now, and we are, and I don't know, winning, anyone? | ||
| Rhymes with winning. | ||
| Anyone? | ||
| Yeah, that would be us. | ||
| Sorry, man. | ||
| Didn't make the rules. | ||
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Oops. | |
| Well, Charlie, I've known you for... | ||
| Six, six and a half years or so, and I knew you when you were completely clean, and then I've known you since, but the point is now, I've never seen you, when I was out at your house and talked to you on the phone, so energized as you are now. | ||
| I mean, you're on fire, as Nails told the news yesterday. | ||
| I mean, I agree with that description. | ||
| Well, I think it was Nails that said I was really, really flattered because he got it right that I'm not, you know, he might be Nails, but I'm freaking bayonets, you know? | ||
| I am battling with bayonets, bro. | ||
| I'm tired. | ||
| I'm so tired of pretending like my life isn't perfect and bitching and just winning every second. | ||
| And I'm not perfect and bitching and just delivering the goods at every frickin' turn because look what I'm dealing with, man. | ||
| I'm dealing with fools and trolls. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I'm dealing with soft targets. | ||
| And it's just, you know, it's just strafing runs in my underwear before my first cup of coffee because I don't have time for these clowns. | ||
| I don't have time for their judgment and their stupidity. | ||
| You know, they lay down with their ugly wives in front of their ugly children and just look at their loser lives and then they look at me and they say, I can't process it. | ||
| Well, no, and you never will. | ||
| Stop trying. | ||
| Just sit back and enjoy the show. | ||
| That does sound a lot like Alex Jones. | ||
| To some extent, man. | ||
| That sounds a lot like what... | ||
| That's just a more concentrated version of the shit that Alex Jones has spread out over time. | ||
| Because I bet if we wanted to... | ||
| You could go back and find a little chunk of different sentences and put all of those chunks together and it would be word for word that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, Alex is that same piece of shit. | ||
| Also, I'm interested now because Alex Jones 100% did a shit ton of coke with Charlie Sheen. | ||
| But there's a decent chance. | ||
| I don't know if you can say that. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| 100% seems very high. | ||
| I knew you when you were totally clean. | ||
| So what's going on now? | ||
| Code for, yeah, we did a lot of coke together. | ||
| I mean, again, I can't refute that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think we'll never be able to prove that. | ||
| It's entirely possible. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| The issue here is that this is irresponsible of Alex. | ||
| Like, I know that he's such a attention grabber. | ||
| He's so desperate for any kind of attention that will come to him that he knows that, like, oh, this guy's rambling nonsense. | ||
| Everyone's going to be all over this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Not recognizing the damage that probably come to the reputation and the life of someone he considers a friend. | |
| And that's... | ||
| That's bad. | ||
| That's not a good human thing to do. | ||
| Like, if you came in here one day, you were all fucked up, and you started just talking nonsense, and you'll see some of the other shit he ends up saying, like, I would not put that out. | ||
| No, of course not. | ||
| Or I would tell you to shut up and try and get the interview on track towards what the substance of the matter is. | ||
| And the fact that Alex doesn't do that, I mean... | ||
| He's using... | ||
| He's using Charlie. | ||
| And that's kind of... | ||
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That's such a cruel thing to do. | |
| I don't like that. | ||
| No, and that's one of the reasons I wanted to go over this. | ||
| I mean, not as much... | ||
| It is interesting that a lot of that madness has its roots here in Alex's show, but... | ||
| The sort of cruelty of Alex's allowing him to do this is... | ||
| And not just allowing him, egging him on actively. | ||
| Fake laughs. | ||
| Like, hey, be more crazy. | ||
| I'm giving you positive feedback, so you've got to keep bringing the goods. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like that kind of thing. | ||
| Yeah, so in this next clip, we get to where things were fairly problematic. | ||
| And this is one of the big reasons that he got in trouble for this interview. | ||
| I'm Levine. | ||
| Yeah, that's Chuck's real name. | ||
| Mistook this rock star for his own selfish exit strategy, bro. | ||
| Check it, Alex. | ||
| I embarrassed him in front of his children and the world by healing at a pace that his unevolved mind cannot process. | ||
| Okay, last I checked, Haim, I've spent, I think, close to the last decade, I don't know, effortlessly and magically converting your tin cans into pure gold. | ||
| And the gratitude I get is this charlatan chose not to do his job, which is to write. | ||
| Clearly someone who believes he is above the law. | ||
| Well, you've been warned, dude. | ||
| So he's talking about Chuck Lorre. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Got a little... | ||
| Started off anti-Semitic. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| Harsh. | ||
| Especially calling him Haim Levine, because his real name is Charles Michael Levine. | ||
| And so the Haim part is probably just directly... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He might as well have said, like... | ||
| I embarrassed him and his Jew children in front of the world, like that kind of level of anti-Semite. | ||
| Yeah, he and Chuck Lorre explained that he changed his name because his mother was never a fan of his father's family, and she had an unfortunate habit of using Levine as a stinging insult. | ||
| When displeased with me, she would often say or shriek, you know what you are? | ||
| You're a Levine, a no-good, rotten Levine. | ||
| So as far back as I can remember, every time I heard my last name, I would experience acute feelings of low self-esteem. | ||
| Well, that's what I always say about Adam Levine, so there's that. | ||
| His songs have taken a toll on me. | ||
| So it's not too much of a mystery. | ||
| He's not trying to hide his Jewish heritage or whatever. | ||
| It's not that at all. | ||
| And the fact that Charlie is using that as some sort of an insult is really the reason that he got into trouble. | ||
| So I'm going to read to you from a Guardian article here. | ||
| Filming of the 30-minute show, Two and a Half Men, had been due to restart next week after Sheen's latest bout of rehabilitation for drink and drugs until he hit the self-destruct button in spectacular style on Thursday when he spoke live to a radio jock called Alex Jones. | ||
| For CBS and its holding company, Warner Brothers Television, what probably most stuck in the crawl was his anti-Semitism-tinged tirade against the creator and lead writer of Two and a Half Men, Chuck Lorre. | ||
| So that's probably... | ||
| The world believes, and I think rightfully so, that that was a big mistake. | ||
| That's real bad and probably a big part of why he... | ||
| What a more innocent time where the Guardian just calls him Radio Jock, Alex Jones. | ||
| Less awareness of him. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| That is not his preamble in the current times. | ||
| No. | ||
| Noted asshole conspiracy theorist monster, Alex Jones. | ||
| Yeah, that's not part of his honorific title. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Radio Jack has gone by the wayside. | ||
| So in this next clip, we get to see one of Charlie's big catchphrases get deployed. | ||
| And it's just lunacy. | ||
| Years I've known you, and in the years people that have known you for decades, they say Charlie is on fire. | ||
| And after he came out of what he's been in the last seven months, he is not putting up with people trying to push him around anymore. | ||
| Is that fair to say? | ||
| Yeah, it's an understatement. | ||
| I'm sorry, man. | ||
| I got magic, and I got poetry at my fingertips, and most of the time, and this includes naps. | ||
| You know, I'm an F-18, bro, and I will destroy you in the air, and I will deploy my ordnance to the ground. | ||
| Are you going to announce your new tattoo here on air? | ||
| Yeah, why not? | ||
| Because it's just pure and complete gnarly-isms. | ||
| Yeah, I sat with two, hey, coincidence, F-18, the Top Gun radical fire napalm dropping pilots in my movie theater watching the... | ||
| The chopper attack sequence on the beachhead to go surfing because they wanted to, and those people were in their way. | ||
| And I was getting a tattoo during the death from above, and it's the banner from the death card that Kilgore is throwing on his victims. | ||
| But there's also falling from it is the apple from the giving tree. | ||
| There's my life. | ||
| Deal with it. | ||
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Oh, wait. | |
| Can't process it. | ||
| Losers winning. | ||
| Bye-bye. | ||
| Oof. | ||
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I didn't understand. | |
| What tracked there? | ||
| What was he describing? | ||
| I think the tattoo is a combination of that death card that he's referencing and an apple from the giving tree. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, look, like I said, there's nothing to really debunk. | ||
| It's almost impossible to deconstruct or track any of this stuff. | ||
| The lines of thinking are... | ||
| Yeah, I think he was in a movie theater. | ||
| ...completely disjointed. | ||
| Are you sitting with two F-18 fighter pilots? | ||
| Were they giving him the tattoo? | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| Just thought of the fucking tattoo. | ||
| I've never considered getting a tattoo by two artists before. | ||
| That would be interesting. | ||
| Simultaneously? | ||
| Oh, they work their way towards each other? | ||
| Yeah, that'd be fun. | ||
| That'd be kind of fun. | ||
| Yeah, I should do that. | ||
| I can't afford to hire two artists, though. | ||
| No. | ||
| Very pricey. | ||
| That's twice as much per hour. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So, in this next clip... | ||
| Alex talks about future movies that Charlie Sheen is going to be a part of. | ||
| Written by Alex Jones. | ||
| The rumor mills are spinning. | ||
| And again, at this point, he'd not been fired from Two and a Half Men because that comes after this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But this is nonsense. | ||
| Moving on along here, Major League 3, your other two were giant hits, and I knew the inside baseball of some of the planning for that. | ||
| You told me about it a while back, but now it looks like it's really starting to come together. | ||
| Tell us about when we're going to be looking for Major League 3 and who's going to be in it. | ||
| Major League 3, I don't know. | ||
| I haven't read it. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| It's being directed and written by a genius named David Ward, who, oh, I don't know, won the Academy Award at 23 for writing The Sting. | ||
| And it was his pen and his vision that created the classic that we know today as Major League. | ||
| In fact, a lot of people think the movie's called Wild Thing, as they should. | ||
| But whatever, I agreed to do it. | ||
| There's just one deal point that Jim Robinson, a wonderful man, and Morgan Creek, a great company, need to work out. | ||
| If they want me in it, it's a smash. | ||
| If they don't, it's a turd that opens on a tugboat. | ||
| A lot of fake laughs today. | ||
| This is a huge fake laughs per minute. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Game right here. | ||
| FPMs are high. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So Major League came out in 1989. | ||
| Major League 2 came out in 1994. | ||
| And then Major League Back to the Miners came out in 1998. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That did not have Charlie Sheen in it, but I mean, it is the third Major League movie that already exists. | ||
| Was that a prequel, though? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| No, it's not, because it's Back to the Miners. | ||
| Yeah, because they go back to the Miners. | ||
| Yeah, but also, I mean, it is like... | ||
| I mean, I'm splitting hairs a little bit because there already is a third film, but they did suggest making a proper sequel since that one did so poorly. | ||
| It was really bad. | ||
| So it's just a minor point. | ||
| The third movie does already exist. | ||
| It was really weird in Back to the Miners whenever the disgraced nuclear physicist was murdered trying to buy a... | ||
| Is that a different movie? | ||
| I think it might be. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The death card does get thrown. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Anyway, in this next clip. | ||
| Alex asks Charlie Shee in the $64,000 question, which is, why did you decide to come and do this on Infowars? | ||
| That is a really big question. | ||
| And I can answer that in a different way than he does. | ||
| My answer would be, I figured the stakes are low. | ||
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| You know, I figure if you're going to do something like this... | ||
| It's a safe bet that most people aren't going to pay attention to Alex's show, but you forget that your own celebrity, in this case Charlie Sheen's own celebrity, is going to elevate this Alex Jones thing, which would be down here, to another level, and people are going to pay attention to it. | ||
| Well, also, he did ask if they were live. | ||
| So, to my mind, what I hear there is, Alex is calling me, or Alex told me that I should call him, and it turns out... | ||
| He meant that it's an interview, and I didn't really realize that until it was too late. | ||
| It's possible that his perceptions were that it was not a show. | ||
| Yeah, I think that's kind of what I'm getting here. | ||
| And that's not to say that Alex tricked him or anything, although that is certainly a possibility. | ||
| That is certainly a possibility. | ||
| And if that's the case, then this is even worse. | ||
| But be that as it may, that question gets brought up. | ||
| The idea that Alex did trick him then adds the truth. | ||
| That Alex Jones ruined Charlie Sheen's career almost single-handedly. | ||
| And Charlie Sheen did it to himself, but Alex has a role to play in it by allowing this to happen. | ||
| Any professional would absolutely not allow that. | ||
| So anyway, that question gets asked, and then we get another one of those big old catchphrases from this period. | ||
| Why did you decide to basically unleash yourself here on this broadcast? | ||
| Because I'm just... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Why give an interview when you can leave a warning? | ||
| You know? | ||
| That it's just not... | ||
| I'm just not a... | ||
| I'm not fair game. | ||
| I'm not a soft target. | ||
| It's over. | ||
| There's a new sheriff in town. | ||
| And he has an army of assassins. | ||
| Oh, we must speak of the Vatican assassins. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I don't read anything after it comes out. | ||
| Because I will not waste my precious time on such ridiculous nonsense. | ||
| But I understand... | ||
| And according to you, there was a lot of curiosity about the Vatican Assassin. | ||
| And I'm like, guys, it's right there in the thing. | ||
| We murder people. | ||
| We're Vatican Assassins. | ||
| How complicated can it be? | ||
| Oh, my gosh. | ||
| What they're not ready for is guys like you and I and Nails and all the other gnarly gnarlingons in my life that we are high priests, Vatican Assassin warlocks. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| Print that, people. | ||
| Let's see where that goes. | ||
| So, throughout the context of this episode, it's pretty clear this is an inside joke between him and Alex. | ||
| I know that a lot of people made a lot of hay out of the Vatican assassins thing, and that maybe he actually thought that Vatican assassins were after him, and what have you. | ||
| I don't know if that's the case. | ||
| I kind of lean towards what you're saying there as well. | ||
| From the context I'm able to glean from this episode, it appears that it's just probably something that they laughed about privately and then decided to talk about on air. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it might be something trolling. | ||
| It's something that they thought about while they were all doing a lot of coke together in Charlie Sheen's house. | ||
| It's entirely possible. | ||
| So, you know, when you do coke, you don't end up just doing nothing. | ||
| Sometimes you watch movies. | ||
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Right. | |
| Or hang out with Lenny Dykstra. | ||
| Nails. | ||
| Anytime anybody does coke, Lenny Dykstra shows up. | ||
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Hey, guys! | |
| It's weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So in this next clip... | ||
| Although I think he might be in jail now. | ||
| I'm pretty sure he's in jail. | ||
| I've lost track of Nails. | ||
| Oh, Nails is in jails. | ||
| So in this next clip, we get a weird breakdown of Apocalypse Now. | ||
| Is that the movie he was watching? | ||
| It might have been. | ||
| And so in this next clip, we get Charlie's very bizarre take on Apocalypse Now. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Getting into Apocalypse Now. | ||
| Also, I'm getting it from the chat room from Nicky Gifts that Lenny Dykstra is out of prison. | ||
| Oh, good. | ||
| Congratulations, Nails. | ||
| Not good, but good for him. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| One of the things, it's probably my favorite movie. | ||
| I know it's yours. | ||
| Of course, your dad stars in it. | ||
| You were there for months during the production of it. | ||
| Put a big mark on your soul. | ||
| Apocalypse Now, my friend. | ||
| I mean, there's not much you can say other than genius represents life. | ||
| Apocalypse will teach you how to live inside of a moment between a moment. | ||
| And that's where life is. | ||
| Because, you know, I'm not just... | ||
| You know, Captain Willard, I'm not just my dad, and I'm, you know, heading up the river to kill another part of me, which is Kurtz. | ||
| I am every character in between, save for that little weirdo with his guts strapped in, begging for water. | ||
| That's not me. | ||
| I feel like that's actually you. | ||
| But, you know, there are parts of me that are Dennis Hopper, because my motto now is you either love or you hate, and you must do so violently. | ||
| And the reason you must hate violently is because, and you have to hate everybody that's not in your family, because they're there to destroy your family. | ||
| And they will come at you in all forms and shapes. | ||
| And therefore, there's nothing in the middle. | ||
| I don't live in the middle anymore. | ||
| That's where you get slaughtered. | ||
| That's where you get embarrassed in front of the prom queen. | ||
| And it's just not an option. | ||
| So, you know, within that is tremendous focus and tremendous clarity and tremendous peace because you have absolute and total resolve about your decisions. | ||
| If you love with violence and you hate with violence, there's nothing that can... | ||
| So that's an interesting take on Apocalypse Now. | ||
| I don't think that was Joseph Campbell's point. | ||
| But I don't think so. | ||
| When he wrote Heart of Darkness, I don't think he was like a... | ||
| You know what this is about. | ||
| Everyone's trying to destroy your family except those in your family. | ||
| Therefore, you must hate and love violently. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Yep. | ||
| Colonel Kurtz. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Yep. | ||
| I got it. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| I mean, I don't like that. | ||
| I don't like that as a philosophy. | ||
| I'll just leave it at that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't like that as a way to look at the world. | ||
| I wonder how Martin Sheen's... | ||
| I wonder how Charlie's doing now. | ||
| Do you think he's doing okay? | ||
| No. | ||
| Sort of. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, Martin's on that show with Martin Sheen. | ||
| Charlie Sheen or Martin Sheen? | ||
| I'm talking about Martin Sheen. | ||
| He's old. | ||
| Yeah, he's old and he's still on that show with the one where it turns out they're gay and they were married to their best friends or whatever. | ||
| It's on Netflix. | ||
| It's actually pretty funny. | ||
| I don't know the show you're talking about. | ||
| I don't have Netflix. | ||
| It's pretty good. | ||
| Sure, I believe you. | ||
| Also, it's Joseph Conrad. | ||
| You're getting shit on. | ||
| Oh, yeah, I know. | ||
| I completely forgot. | ||
| Completely forgot. | ||
| Similar enough names. | ||
| Yeah, no, I messed up. | ||
| That's a gimme. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know, man. | ||
| My bad. | ||
| Misspoke. | ||
| Also, it's Grace and Frankie is the show. | ||
| See, there we go! | ||
| This is why the chat room is here. | ||
| Very helpful. | ||
| To just correct my dumb shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I know Emilio Estevez is doing great, starring in Major League Four, coming out soon. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I'm just wondering, if you're still Martin Sheen, and you're still famous, and you're still working, and your son has... | ||
| Exploded his career and everything about his life. | ||
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| How do you react to that? | ||
| I know they don't have a particularly close relationship. | ||
| I imagine it's tough to watch. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| I would assume. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Also, you have to consider, too, that... | ||
| As we sort of laid out in very rough details, certainly not a full picture, but Charlie Sheen has a history of domestic violence dating back to 1989 or whatever, and he's been in and out of rehab since around that time. | ||
| So as a parent, you kind of probably diminished expectations, perhaps. | ||
| I think that you kind of have to, for your own protection, understand that there's just a reality here. | ||
| There's nothing worse than when a parent has to bury their child's career. | ||
| That's really... | ||
| That's tragic. | ||
| So there are a number of people in the world who have had substance abuse issues and have been able to turn their life around through the help of the program. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There are a number of people who advocate for alternative programs. | ||
| Certainly, AA isn't the only way to go, or NA. | ||
| There are other non-faith-based sort of organizations. | ||
| Even AA isn't really a religious organization, although that criticism is thrown around a lot. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because of the higher power. | ||
| God or any of that stuff. | ||
| But Charlie Jean does not like AA. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| Well, Charlie, I mean, I tell you, it is amazing. | ||
| And I just appreciate you coming on today so folks can really hear the energized, unleashed Charlie Sheen. | ||
| You wanted to talk about AA because, you know, when I was at your house, I said, man, great job being completely sober and, you know, how important it was. | ||
| But I use the word sober because that's a term from those people. | ||
| And I have cleansed myself. | ||
| I closed my eyes. | ||
| And it's a nanosecond I cured myself from this ridiculous model of disease and addiction and obsession. | ||
| It's just the work of sissies. | ||
| The only thing I'm addicted to right now is winning, you know. | ||
| This bootleg cult, you know, arrogantly referred to as alcohol exonimus, Alex supports a 5% success rate. | ||
| All right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| To be fair, acid isn't necessarily a drug of abuse, you know, in the same way that alcohol, cocaine... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| ...is. | ||
| There's not really... | ||
| You can't really do it all the time. | ||
| It's really hard to do all the time. | ||
| Most people will never have to even come close to the idea of being addicted to LSD. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But be that as it may, he does make a valid point that the... | ||
| That's actually a really good question. | ||
| Has... | ||
| Do you... | ||
| Have you heard of anybody who was addicted to LSD? | ||
| No, I've known some people who did too much. | ||
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| But not addicted, certainly. | ||
| It's the same thing with mushrooms and stuff. | ||
| You can't do too much of it. | ||
| Your body just won't allow you to. | ||
| And if you do a bunch of it, it'll stop having as much of an effect, and you'll just naturally be like, eh, I'm going to stop. | ||
| It doesn't trigger the same addictive brain chemicals. | ||
| I don't understand it fully. | ||
| I'm not a doctor. | ||
| But no, I've never known anyone who's been addicted to psychedelics. | ||
| Yeah, that'd be a strange thing to be addicted to. | ||
| Again, people who do too much. | ||
| Yeah, you can absolutely do too many. | ||
| Yeah, you're going to too many jam band festivals, you do too much. | ||
| Damn, there's no such thing as too many jam band festivals. | ||
| I was trying to work that into some sort of a Jeff Foxworthy setup. | ||
| If you go to too many jam band festivals, you might do too much acid. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| No, it's not good. | ||
| It doesn't have the right rhythm. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| I just did a bad bit. | ||
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| So, I would suggest that his rhetoric about AA is unhelpful. | ||
| I would suggest that based on everything, he did not cure himself of addiction in a second. | ||
| Yeah, 100% might be high for him. | ||
| It's the kind of thinking that you... | ||
| I mean, at the very least, at this point in time, he's like one for three. | ||
| Even if he's correct this time, he's already been addicted multiple times in the past. | ||
| No, I mean, if you count the failed attempts at rehab and stuff like that, then you... | ||
| But here's the thing, that's why that 5% success rate that he's citing for AA, AA does have a pretty low success rate. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's about equal to people who decide to quit on their own in that success rate, mainly because addiction does require a lot of personal... | ||
| Will, in order to break. | ||
| And so, regardless of whether or not you have a program of support to you, you know... | ||
| And there's a couple pieces to it, too, that are important. | ||
| Everyone who goes through recovery knows that relapse is a part of recovery. | ||
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| And you're going to end up failing at some point. | ||
| What's important is just getting back on track. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then beyond that, it's anonymous. | ||
| And I don't know if you're able to really get a good statistical... | ||
| A perfectly accurate portrait. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| And I think the success rate is lower than we would hope it would be. | ||
| But leaving people within their own addictions... | ||
| That usually leads to death or prison. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I'll take a 5% success rate if that's what it is. | ||
| It's better than zero. | ||
| Yeah, and then work towards something better. | ||
| I think things like Ibogaine and stuff like that, I don't know enough about it, but I've heard some people suggesting that it's a very powerful cure for addictions. | ||
| Sounds culty. | ||
| Well, it's like a very heavy hallucinogen. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| In the same way that you hear people talking about how doing ayahuasca cured them of cigarette addiction and stuff like that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think it's possible. | ||
| There have been plenty of people who have started making the claim that taking LSD is a way of kind of lessening your symptoms of bipolar disease. | ||
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Sure. | |
| That's something that I've... | ||
| Read a lot about and how a lot of people have said that they haven't had to deal with as stringent a program after that. | ||
| Or even like ecstasy helping with PTSD. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| There's all sorts of things that I'm, you know, it's outside of necessarily like... | ||
| Our frame of study. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Appropriate medicine, in quotes. | ||
| But I think there's possibilities. | ||
| Anyway, my point is that this is stupid. | ||
| What he's saying is stupid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But there is a world of recovery outside of AA. | ||
| And I would rather him espouse that sort of rhetoric as opposed to these stupid assholes I cured myself in a nanosecond. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And the guy who ran the organization was an idiot. | ||
| Well, I mean... | ||
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The thing that I think about... | |
| Listening to this kind of talk, which clearly he's at the very least having a manic episode throughout this whole period of time. | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
| I look at that and I see what it is that sycophants do to those kinds of people. | ||
| You mean in the form of Alex? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex taking that embodiment. | ||
| And not just Alex, but all of the people around him at that time. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Nails? | ||
| Yeah, nails especially. | ||
| Giving him that kind of ego and narcissism and allowing that to spread. | ||
| Allowing that to be as far and wide as possible. | ||
| If you are Charlie Sheen, you have a massive platform to say something positive. | ||
| And because you're surrounded by these sycophants who tell you that everything you say is positive, to you, that is a positive thing to say. | ||
| What he's saying is, I am opening people's eyes. | ||
| In the same way that Alex Jones is surrounded by those sycophants who just, oh, everything you do is the greatest possible thing. | ||
| You're saving the republic. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So now all of the negative shit that you are putting out is... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's viewed by you as something that you're doing to help people. | ||
| It's a bigger thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| And it's like, to these guys, it's like, oh, this is tough love. | ||
| I need to break you free of this concept of being a better person. | ||
| You're never going to be a better person. | ||
| You're not part of my family. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so I am killing you. | ||
| You will try and destroy my family. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So, Jordan. | ||
| AA is trying to kill Charlie Sheen's family. | ||
| I think he probably thinks that. | ||
| So, you know, Alex Jones fancies himself a classical liberal. | ||
| He likes to call himself a classical liberal. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And often talks about how he's a liberal in the Thomas Jefferson mold. | ||
| Right. | ||
| In his next clip, Charlie Sheen says something really weird about Thomas Jefferson. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Be one of us. | ||
| Newsflash, I am special, and I will never be one of you. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| You sound like Thomas Jefferson. | ||
| Well, I'm not Thomas Jefferson. | ||
| He was a pussy. | ||
| No, but I dare anyone to debate me on things. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| I would have thought... | ||
| This is kind of where I expect you to be like, alright, now we're going to get into all of the fights that Thomas Jefferson won over the years. | ||
| Well, I would expect Alex to be like, you're now inviting a debate and you have insulted someone who I think is the most important founding father and I am in line with him. | ||
| He has... | ||
| This is one of those... | ||
| Alex has no actual principles. | ||
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No. | |
| Other than, if I want you to like me, I will agree with everything you say. | ||
| Yeah, and there's barely him doing any heavy lifting at all, or trying to lead the conversation into greener pastures. | ||
| He's just, like, doing his fake laugh. | ||
| And sometimes I think that it's a sincere laugh. | ||
| And then just being like, hey, what about that new tattoo of yours? | ||
| Hey, I've been over to your house, you're totally sober. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Just allowing him to play himself out like this. | ||
| Charlie! | ||
| Charlie, spray bullets everywhere. | ||
| I'm loving it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then he even allows him to do this. | ||
| He just allows him to read a note from one of his goddesses on the air that is about nothing. | ||
| Listen to this shit. | ||
| But Charlie, you've got a note that you wanted to read here on air. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yes, I do. | ||
| And it's from one of my goddesses. | ||
| It's from the Natty. | ||
| And it just says, this is how blessed and perfect my insane life is. | ||
| My monkey man, my king, my high priest, ninja warlock, I love you violently with the fire of 1,000 suns. | ||
| Thank you for sharing your wisdom, experience, Jedi mind powers, amazing humor, and unconditional love. | ||
| I am truly honored to not walk behind nor in front of you, but by your side. | ||
| N with a capital C. I don't know why that should be on Alex's show. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| He's completely lost control of the interview. | ||
| Like, it's just... | ||
| It's just nonsense. | ||
| It's just allowing Charlie Sheen to be weird in public. | ||
| Well, yeah, that's what he wants. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is him controlling the interview. | ||
| Yeah, to some extent. | ||
| Because if Charlie stopped doing that, if Charlie really just kind of calmed it down and was like, let's talk about the globalists. | ||
| Alex would be pissed. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Alex is like, no, the reason I got you onto this show is to be a fucking lunatic, because that's what's going to get people to notice me. | ||
| And it worked beyond Alex's possible imagination. | ||
| So in this next clip, we talk a little bit about poetry, and Charlie Sheen has some interesting thoughts about poetry. | ||
| Also, they've got to work on adjectives and... | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Titles. | ||
| Jedi mind. | ||
| And, you know, one of my favorite poets is Eminem. | ||
| One of the smartest cats alive. | ||
| People inspire me, you know? | ||
| Inspire me to stay violent. | ||
| Oof, I don't like that sentence. | ||
| I do not like that sentence one bit. | ||
| Eminem inspires me to stay violent. | ||
| That's what I like in my poem. | ||
| And then Alex goes into like, you know, he said stuff about 9-11. | ||
| Isn't that cool? | ||
| Now, flash forward. | ||
| I mean, I guess it's better that he said Eminem inspires him to stay violent instead of being like, one of my favorite poets is Emily Dickinson. | ||
| She really inspires me to stay violent. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's like, woo! | ||
| What poems are you reading? | ||
| So we got one more clip. | ||
| Like I said, after a while, Lenny Dykstra comes in and we're not going to listen to anything. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But in this clip, Alex makes clear, Charlie Sheen's got a job. | ||
| And Charlie, you will be back at work Tuesday. | ||
| I'll be early. | ||
| I don't sleep. | ||
| I wait. | ||
| I know you don't sleep. | ||
| Sometimes I get texts from you at 3 a.m. your time. | ||
| You are certainly on fire, my friend. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| You know who sends texts at 3 in the morning? | ||
| Three in the morning, your time? | ||
| That's people on cocaine. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So he may have gone back to work on that Tuesday in February, but Charlie got in trouble and got fired. | ||
| His contract was terminated with two and a half men on March 7th, 2011. | ||
| Three days later, on March 10th, Charlie announced a nationwide tour called My Violent Torpedo of Truth. | ||
| The Detroit opening night show sold out in 18 minutes, but a closer look revealed that at least 1,000 of the tickets had been bought by a third-party reseller and were being sold at cut-rate prices. | ||
| Terribly cut-rate prices. | ||
| On April 2nd, his Detroit show happened, which was the opener of the tour, and it was a mess. | ||
| His opening act was a stand-up comedian. | ||
| He got booed off stage. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| About 20 minutes after the- That's not a good gig. | ||
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No. | |
| That's not a good gig. | ||
| That and Gathering of the Juggalos, which, spoiler alert, that year Charlie Sheen hosted. | ||
| I did not know that! | ||
| Those are the two gigs I don't want as a stand-up. | ||
| I have no interest in that. | ||
| I knew a guy who... | ||
| No, I think he might be dead. | ||
| He went around opening for Screech. | ||
| That was his gig. | ||
| And he would describe it as, oh, it's the best gig. | ||
| You go to casinos, you have to do ten minutes, you get paid plenty of money. | ||
| And very shortly thereafter, he was a party to Screech's violence and such. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, the money part is nice if you don't care about all the stuff that comes along with it. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| I have to drive around with Screech all day. | ||
| That does not sound fun. | ||
| Opening for the Violent Torpedo of Truth Tour in Detroit seems... | ||
| Equally bad. | ||
| Yeah, I want to know who that guy was. | ||
| Now I want to know which comic that was. | ||
| I probably could have figured out, but I didn't want to look into it just in case... | ||
| We knew. | ||
| Well, not that, but even if... | ||
| Saying his name is... | ||
| It feels shitty. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| In the same way that talking about the... | ||
| I don't feel... | ||
| I don't feel like it's necessary to point a finger at them. | ||
| No, I mean, I'm more interested, and now I'm like, I think I would take that gig, right? | ||
| You gotta take that gig. | ||
| For the story? | ||
| To open up for Charlie Sheen, because maybe it's a great gig. | ||
| Either way, you're opening up for Charlie Sheen losing his fucking mind. | ||
| What I would like to do is I get that invitation. | ||
| I say, no, but Jordan's perfect for it. | ||
| And then I come along. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I watch and join in booing you offstage. | ||
| Oh, man, it'd be so good. | ||
| That would be the most satisfying booed offstage of my life. | ||
| So I'm just trying to track the sort of causal relationship between things. | ||
| Alex has Charlie Sheen on the show to ramble for 40 minutes like an idiot. | ||
| 40 minutes? | ||
| During which time he calls Chuck Lorre Haim Levine and throws very dog-whistly... | ||
| Jewish insults at him and just acts like a crazy person. | ||
| Right. | ||
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And it does end up going viral and it leads to him getting fired. | |
| And, I mean, his behavior after the fact didn't help. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Like when they were saying they were Sort of like Socrates. | ||
| So, you know, Alex didn't do all of it, but it started this ball down the road. | ||
| I guess actually probably the having to halt production to go to rehab. | ||
| That was probably where it began. | ||
| That certainly plays a part in it, but I think a lot of it could have been smoothed out if you didn't go on a national radio show and say those things about Chuck Lorre and then also say, he won't do his job, I turn his tin cans into gold and stuff like that. | ||
| I think that you could probably undo the damage that you do to halting production because of your addiction problems. | ||
| I think you could probably smooth that out. | ||
| But this is too far. | ||
| Well, because this is the reason that he kept going. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Because he got positive reinforcement from this. | ||
| Because this went viral, now everybody wants to talk to him about the interview that he did, and that gave him even more, even a larger platform to say his crazy nonsense. | ||
| And then Alex Jones goes on The View to publicly defend him, which stokes the fires even further. | ||
| So anyway, he gets fired, and then almost immediately introduces this tour. | ||
| And so he goes on this tour, and I want to talk a little bit more about the Detroit show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's such a disaster. | ||
| Like I said, his opening act gets booed offstage because everyone's like, what the fuck is going on here? | ||
| Because it was supposed to have a raucous party, rock star atmosphere, and like, I don't want to hear this guy do puns. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Audiences turned immediately. | ||
| About 20 minutes after the actual show starts, the boos start being directed at Charlie because he's just rambling a bunch of bullshit. | ||
| He starts the show off playing weird video packages and stuff and having his goddesses come out on stage and people are just not fucking into it. | ||
| They start booing at him about 20 minutes in, which is pretty quick. | ||
| That's rude. | ||
| You would think that just a celebrity would have a grace period of more than 20. But it turns out you don't. | ||
| So in response to all the boos, he says, quote, I already got your money, dude. | ||
| Which does not make the crowd happier. | ||
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| At one point, Sheen says he's going to, quote, tell some stories about crack. | ||
| I figured Detroit was a good place to tell some crack stories. | ||
| This comment, not surprisingly, does not go over well. | ||
| Quote, show of hands, who here has tried crack? | ||
| A few people raised their hands. | ||
| Quote, I don't do crack anymore, but this is a good fucking night to do some crack. | ||
| The audience boos. | ||
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Alright. | |
| About an hour in, people start walking out as Charlie composes a tweet on stage. | ||
| Later, Charlie plays a rap track he made with Snoop Dogg. | ||
| They had said that Snoop would be there, but he was a no-show because he was performing at the Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Awards that night. | ||
| Which is a tragic... | ||
| How far away was that from Detroit? | ||
| It was in Los Angeles. | ||
| So he wasn't going to be able to make it even after the show was taped? | ||
| No. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| No. | ||
| And so the sort of elephant in the room and the thing that we've not really addressed too much is that in 2015, Charlie Sheen came out and publicly acknowledged that he was HIV positive. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| And that a lot of the stuff about the chaos in his life, I believe he's traced some of it towards like there being a parallel path of some of that, like dealing with the diagnosis and stuff like that. | ||
| His personal life and all that, the stuff, as it relates to that, I don't really want Right. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You know, you read about people's personal private lives and you hear something that's pretty messed up. | ||
| You hear their side of it. | ||
| I just don't want to engage with it. | ||
| It's not really important for our show. | ||
| But, when he was coming out and publicly talking about that, he would go on to claim that the entire episode of his Tiger Blood stuff, the I Have Poetry Coming Out of My Fingers, Vatican Assassins nonsense, it was all about roid rage. | ||
| And, quote, Speaking to the ABC News Good Morning America, Sheen said of this period in his life, quote, It's fun to kind of watch sometimes, but also, it's just a little cringable. | ||
| It's like, dude, what the hell was that? | ||
| I was doing way too much testosterone cream trying to get the old libido up, he added. | ||
| Quote, it metabolizes into basically a roid rage. | ||
| That whole odyssey, that was basically an accidental roid rage. | ||
| I mean, is that possible? | ||
| I doubt it. | ||
| It doesn't feel like a thing. | ||
| I feel like he's probably doing a ton of coke. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I feel like. | ||
| That feels right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But also he probably was doing this testosterone cream. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And now the reason that I want to just leave with that or sort of. | ||
| I mean, at the same time, that almost makes as much sense because you see a guy like him, you know, aging. | ||
| You can see his fame and all the shit that he's going through and all of that. | ||
| And apparently he's got. | ||
| Multiple porn stars around him all the time with Brooke there. | ||
| Brooke Shields, is that who? | ||
| No, Brooke Mueller. | ||
| Brooke Mueller, sure. | ||
| I think his third wife. | ||
| And yeah, I can definitely see the expectations that he would place upon himself and then, of course, the insecurity and all of that stuff. | ||
| He's trying to turn himself into... | ||
| Far more of a man. | ||
| The man that he projects himself to be. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| And when you start using all this language of, like, you know, I hate to keep using tiger blood, but sort of the, I think it's the title of the era in his life, certainly. | ||
| The tiger blood years. | ||
| That is projecting an image of masculinity that a normal person, it would be impossible to live up to. | ||
| Especially someone who's like 50, 55, 60. I don't know how old he is. | ||
| He was probably 50. Anyway, the other thing that I want to point out is that maybe one of the reasons that Alex Jones doesn't want to necessarily publicly talk so much about them being friends, although I don't agree with your assessment that he has thrown him under the bus. | ||
| Wait, what do you mean? | ||
| You were suggesting at the beginning of the show that they're not as good of friends anymore or anything like that. | ||
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Right. | |
| Because he does still bring him up from time to time. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The reason that I think he doesn't go around and flaunt that I had Charlie Sheen on and that caused all this was because of how negatively it all played out and because now, in present day, he's blaming it on artificial testosterone boosters, which is Alex Jones' main business. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| I think that if... | ||
| Charlie Sheen is talking about how cringy it is to look back at this period of his life because of testosterone products giving him roid rage. | ||
| That kind of undercuts super male vitality to a certain extent. | ||
| Or at least indicates that, hey, maybe Alex's behavior is due to that sort of thing too. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I think the parallels are shockingly easy to trace. | ||
| So anyway, I think that this is an interesting piece of Alex Jones's history. | ||
| I think this was a little more uncomfortable to listen to than I expected it to be. | ||
| You know, I really... | ||
| This reminds me of where we were whenever all of this stuff was happening. | ||
| So innocent. | ||
| Such an innocent time. | ||
| I just remember I couldn't partake in that. | ||
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No. | |
| I feel the same way right now. | ||
| I want to have the distance to start to find this funny again. | ||
| But this really just makes me feel... | ||
| Burning sympathy. | ||
| This is a man destroying himself. | ||
| And the fact that a lot of people laughed at him about it is... | ||
| At the same time, he's a fucking dumbass celebrity who can die. | ||
| I don't give a shit. | ||
| You need to be intellectually fair. | ||
| You and I both got a good laugh out of the first one's a piss test, the next one's going in your mouth. | ||
| That's pretty great. | ||
| That is pretty great. | ||
| That's a good line. | ||
| That's a good line. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That would have been a great line for the Detroit show. | ||
| The next one's going in your mouth and it won't get you high. | ||
| Yeah, that one's good. | ||
| That's a keeper. | ||
| I like that one. | ||
| That would not have got the opening act booed off stage. | ||
| That's a solid bet. | ||
| So, anyway, this has been fun. | ||
| But in the end, also ultimately uncomfortable and tragic. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's our tagline. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Uncomfortable and tragic. | ||
| Pretty fun, though. | ||
| Thank you all for listening. | ||
| If you'd like more of the show, you can find it at knowledgefight.com. | ||
| You can go to what? | ||
| You could go to iTunes. | ||
| You could go to Twitter. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Knowledge underscore fight on Twitter. | ||
| Also, we're on Facebook. | ||
| And we are doing the March Madness bracket. | ||
| You can vote on the religious soundbites that we had today in the Facebook group. | ||
| Go home and tell your mother you're brilliant. | ||
| And then, I suppose, I mean, there's really only one person today. | ||
| I think I know who you're going to say. | ||
| Do you? | ||
| I think I do. | ||
| Because go fuck yourself, Lenny Dykstra. | ||
| I had a hunch it was going to be nails. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
| Alex, I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |