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#140: February 18, 2011
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February 18, 2011’s Knowledge Fight dissects Alex Jones’ chaotic interview with Charlie Sheen, where the actor’s "winning" rants and "Vatican assassins" jokes first aired. Sheen’s bizarre Apocalypse Now analogy and AA mockery followed, while Jones enabled his narcissism—even reading a note from Sheen’s "goddess." Sheen’s Two and a Half Men firing (March 7) and failed My Violent Torpedo of Truth tour (booed in Detroit on April 2) exposed the fallout. Jones’ silence on their friendship hints at shared recklessness, from Sheen’s "Tiger Blood" era to Jones’ testosterone-boosting business, revealing how unchecked celebrity and conspiracy culture spiral into self-destruction. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
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charlie sheen
08:42
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dan friesen
36:17
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jordan holmes
16:05
Appearances
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alex jones
infowars 03:49
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I love your work.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
I love you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Hey, everybody.
How's it going out there?
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
That is indeed what we do, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yep.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yep.
That's my new thing.
Yep.
What's up?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Dan, do you know a lot about Alex Jones?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
So much.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
God damn it.
That's when you were supposed to do the Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yep.
Know a lot about it.
unidentified
Set you up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I know, I'm sorry.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Set you up for it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I'm not good at the two-man game.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Dan, do I know a lot about Alex Jones?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Nope.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
There we go.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Nailed it.
Speaking of nailing it, guys, we got a lot to get to before we get into today's episode.
First thing, I mean, just one-to-one on the nailing it, I got to let everyone know a big congratulations out to our friend Jordan here for making an amazing homemade pizza last night.
Went over to your place and you made a great homemade pizza.
It was all right.
I think it deserves celebration, and the people need to know about it.
It was a good pizza.
It was fantastic.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
This is my second go-round.
The first one.
Not good.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Not good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
But this one was a fantastic affair.
And speaking of fantastic affairs, I got to say.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
That's a great transition.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
We have a couple of amazing policy wonks to give a shout-out to today.
This is big league stuff.
Not that other people and their donations to the show aren't awesome.
They're all fantastic.
But today, we get to give a shout-out to someone who donated as a policy wonk.
But for reasons I'll explain here in a minute, I'm bumping him up to a globalist just right off the bat.
Damn.
So I'd like to give a shout-out to our new policy wonk, who is a globalist.
He has a sweet ass name.
Thank you so much, Dan.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
unidentified
Daddy Sharp, bump, So thank you so much, Dan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I know it's not you, Dan, because you are broke.
You couldn't donate to our show if you wanted to.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
No, I could not.
But this Dan B, the reason that we're bumping him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Dan Byrne, he's a great music singer-songwriter.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
That could be him.
The reason we're bumping him up to Globalist right off the bat is along with the donation, he sent an awesome message.
And that is, I've been listening through all the old episodes to catch up.
On April 17th, 2017, you mentioned buying fillyourhand.com and redirecting it to your site.
You didn't do it, so I did.
unidentified
No!
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Dan B!
So thank you so much, Dan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Dan B, you're a goddamn hero!
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
That's the coolest thing ever.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
That is the coolest thing ever.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And now, if you go to fillyourhand.com, redirects to knowledgefight.com, which is awesome.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I have never been in love the way that I am in love with you right now, Dan B.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
It's so cool because I had forgotten that we even said that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, of course.
Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, that's the coolest thing.
So thank you so much.
And then also, I'd like to give a shout-out to someone who maybe, I mean, you know, this is obviously a pseudonym, or maybe it's not, and fiction is reality.
But coming right in as a technocrat, we'd like to thank you so much, John Wick.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp.
Jarjar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser, little kitty baby.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Thank you so much, John Wick.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
appreciate it man if that is a look if that's like a sending a black dot john wick is coming for Have you killed any puppies recently?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Zero.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Okay, good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Recently.
Oh.
Zero in my life.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
So, I just got a message from somebody that on April 12th of 2017, you killed a puppy, and that's why John Wick donated.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
That is not true.
I swear.
So, thank you so much.
These are really awesome turns of events.
And if you'd like to become a policy wonk, you may do so by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the Sport the Show button.
Honestly, I'm very self-conscious about this so far.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
It's crazy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Well, I mean, I feel like I have low energy.
You know, I feel like I didn't.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, do you mean the show right now?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I feel like I didn't do a good job thanking those people.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Wow.
Your anxiety and self-loathing are high, high today.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, you know what?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
You're up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Today, I woke up, and I don't know what it is.
I'm not in it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I tried.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
It was that fucking pizza, wasn't it?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
It could have been the pizza.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, goddammit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I tried to get it up for the show today.
And I tried to listen.
I was just like, I can't, I can't do it.
I'm not interested in it.
And I really tried to force it.
And it's one of the challenges of doing a show like this: sometimes it's not fun.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
The studying portion, especially is not fun.
And so I was like, I got to show up.
And I do have a fun episode for us to do today.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Is this like, are you telling us this is your Michael Jordan flu game?
Is that you're under the weather and you're still going to fucking deliver?
Is that what's going on here?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
We'll see about the delivering.
We'll see how that turns out.
Talk to me after the show.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
But yeah, I really, I really just, my heart and soul wasn't in this.
But I think it's going to work out okay.
But my heart and soul is in.
Damn it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Give me more of that transition.
Give me a take two on that one.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
You know what doesn't need a second take?
Our March Madness bracket.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yes, yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
On the last episode, I promised we'd have a bunch more matchups today.
And because I kind of a little bit, I didn't.
We'll do a bunch of matchups on the next episode.
But we have one matchup today.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Well, on the last episode, we introduced the guests division.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And I'm not surprised to report Steve Pieczenik is trouncing on Mamoto.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, that one's too good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
But today we introduced the.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
You could have asked how I was doing.
So good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
It's great.
Today we introduced the religious division.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And so we have.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, this is going to be some heavy hitters then.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
There's some good stuff.
We have today the number four seed in the religious division was from January of this year when Alex Jones was out among the people celebrating the inauguration.
And he said this about needing to go pray.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
I'm going to go get settled down in an office and just take a shower or something and just get on my knees and pray to God.
I'll be honest with you, I want to get in a room by myself and hit my knees and start crying because this is so good.
And I'm telling you, man, the evil's going to strike back.
We've got to be watching them.
We've got to be ready.
But we know who they are.
We know their plan.
And I got to say it.
It's been InfoWars.
unidentified
It's been InfoWars and you, the people, and our analysis.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
Tell him, Alex.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I like that there's the Talim, Alex, the bullshit.
I got to pray.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Also, it's been our analysis.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yes, Infowars.com is great.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I think the selection committee probably put that in the four seed over some of his lengthy rants about the devil because of the fake tears.
I think the fake tears and the guy yelling bullshit.
Yeah, I know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
That one's a big fan.
Yeah, I think that one's good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
That elevates this clip.
It will surprise literally nobody that that will be going up against the number one seed from our first episode ever.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, is it?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
It might be time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
It's time.
unidentified
Woo!
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
I mean, this is inerred.
Just red alert, red alert, red alert.
This is getting crazy.
This is so freaking out of control.
It's time to pray.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Boom!
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
Our Heavenly Father, drop it!
Help us open our eyes.
Please help us be good.
We're so sorry for all the abortions of all the evil in our name.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
It's time to pray.
I just love the beginning.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Red alert.
Red alert.
Oh, the rhythm on that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And if you recall, the reason that he was going into that, you know, thinking that it's time to pray was because he thought that Benjamin Netanyahu was going to get arrested immediately.
Which adds a weird layer to it.
Anyway, I think that, unfortunately, this might be another one that the upset is going to be very difficult.
Oh, that's too hard.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
It's time to pray is legendary.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
It kind of is.
Especially with the legacy of being on our first episode.
It's something that's going to be.
It's an uphill battle for the bullshit yeller at the rally.
But we will see.
Voting will be open on our Facebook group.
Go home and tell your mother you're going to be.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Currently, currently, I'm leaning towards that as the favorite for the whole tournament.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
It's going to be tough for something else to come in, although I have some surprises.
I have some things that you might have forgotten that are absurd.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Some dark horse candidates?
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Let's find out.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Speaking of dark horses.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
God damn it.
I thought you said you weren't in it today.
Your transitions are fire, my friend.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Well, that's just muscle memory.
I can do that asleep.
So today, Jordan, like I said, I didn't care for his show today.
I found it very boring and didn't want to play games with it.
And I was trying to think about like, hmm, maybe today we go back and we go to 2008, but that takes way too much time.
I didn't have the time to do it.
And I don't want to half-ass that.
I don't want to half-ass anything.
But I found something that we can half-ass.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And that is the day that Charlie Sheen destroyed his own life on Alex's show.
Ah!
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
That was on Alex's show?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Do you not remember this?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I remember him destroying his life.
I didn't remember that it was on Alex's show.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Let me give you a little bit of history.
Okay.
So at the time, in 2011, Charlie Sheen was making $1.8 million per episode on Two and a Half Men in what would be his last season of the show.
Also, at this point, he had – I'm just going to give you a little bit of backstory on him.
In 1998, Charlie Sheen had a stroke after overdosing on cocaine.
In January 1990, Sheen accidentally shot his fiancé in the arm, accidentally shot her in the arm.
Hey, that happened.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
That's just called the Burroughs Special.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Sheen pleaded guilty to misdemeanor assault charges involving his wife, Brooke Mueller, in August 2010, receiving a sentence of 30 days probation as well as rehab and anger management counseling.
His second wife, Denise Richards, accused him of physically and verbally abusing her and threatening her life.
She obtained a restraining order against him in 2006.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Well, that's good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
On October 26th, 2010, Charlie Sheen was removed from the Plaza Hotel after doing over $7,000 in damages to the property.
According to the New York Police Department, Charlie Sheen admitted he was drinking and doing cocaine that night.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I was going to say, I thought you were going to say he did over $7,000 of cocaine.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
He might have.
So in January of 2011, production was forced into hiatus on 2.5 Men because Charlie had to go to rehab after he was hospitalized following a three-day Coke bench, the third time he tried to get clean in the past year.
Then, on February 18th, 2011, Charlie Sheen went on the Alex Jones show and acted like a drugged-up idiot, which is literally the reason he ended up getting fired from his show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Wow.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
All of that stuff, Charlie Sheen's public meltdown, all of it started on Alex Jones' show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I did not know that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
We're going to listen through.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Well, I thought it was like on Barbara Walters or something like that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Interestingly, we're not going to listen to it here because it's only like four minutes long and a cluster fuck.
But in like later, because Alex is the beginning of this arc, Alex goes on The View to defend Charlie Sheen.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
What?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
So that might be where you get into the Barbara Walters connection.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
What?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
That can't be real.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Then he starts screaming about.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Wait, The View allowed Alex Jones on their fucking show?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
It's pretty wild because he keeps trying to say, like, Charlie Sheen doesn't do drugs.
unidentified
Oh, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And what have you?
And then it just turns into people yelling over each other.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Well, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
He wants to talk about the banks and what have you.
And Whoopi is like, can we please talk about Charlie Sheen?
I don't want to talk about any of this.
It's such a mess.
And like, everybody remembers the Tiger Blood.
Everybody remembers a lot of these quotes.
And what they forget is a lot of them started on Alex Jones' show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
That's crazy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
The Vatican Assassin stuff.
All of that comes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
But that was proven true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Well, absolutely.
The Black Nobility.
Of course.
So this is a fateful day that it's interesting that history has rewritten because the public meltdown went so much further.
And Charlie Sheen is a giant star.
Yeah.
That his appearance on Alex Jones' show kick-started a lot of it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
And it's largely forgotten in the general public consciousness.
Because, of course, I had no idea that he'd even gone on Alex Jones' show in the fucking first place.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
A lot of people forget that, but we are not ones to forget.
There's not a lot to debunk here.
Really, just we're going to end up listening to Charlie Sheen act like an idiot and Alex Jones laugh because he knows that this is going to get him so much.
This is great.
unidentified
This is going to get me on the view.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
He should set his sights higher than that, but whatever.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Spoiler alert, throughout the interview, they will reference someone named Nails.
I thought it was just a friend of theirs named Nails.
Turns out it's Lenny Dykstra.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, no, I thought everybody knew who Nails was.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I did.
I know that's Dykstra's nickname.
I did not know that the two of them were talking about specifically Lenny Dykstra.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
They have to, because Lenny Dykstra is the only person, maybe, as crazy as those two guys are.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And he shows up at the end of the interview.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Why?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
What?
Yeah.
Dykstra shows up.
unidentified
Jesus.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Wait, does he just know when people are speaking about him in the ethersphere?
Or were they aware?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
They're all friends.
And so, like, we're not going to listen to any of that because the surreality of Alex Jones talking to Charlie Sheen and Lenny Dykstra is overshadowed by how boring it is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
It's really nothing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, that's disappointing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Well, Charlie was trying to, you know, he doesn't like sharing the guest seat.
He wants to be daddy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
See, I want Lenny Dykstra to be trying to sell Charlie Sheen on a fake property.
That's the goal I have there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Dykstra is just basically like, ha ha, isn't this guy awesome?
Which I would argue is both him and Alex being bad friends.
Anyway, here's the first clip.
unidentified
The word enabler is a very important word.
charlie sheen ▲ ● ▼
You know, what's going on, and people are so, you know, mystified by this dishonesty that refuses to stop calling itself Charlie Sheen.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
Absolutely, Charlie.
It was good to see you a few weeks ago at your home.
Likewise, you are looking great, and you're completely clean, aren't you?
charlie sheen ▲ ● ▼
100%.
You know, here's your first P-test.
Next one goes in your mouth.
No, you won't get high.
It's all good.
It's all good, guys.
Quit panicking.
Quit panicking.
No panic, no judgment.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
And you're working out even a couple times a day sometimes.
charlie sheen ▲ ● ▼
Well, yeah, but there's only one time in the gym if you catch my drift, Alex.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Whatever.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
No, we're live.
Charlie, speaking of that, the media, you don't want to go there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
So real quick, we'll get back.
The clip's not done.
But throughout this time and whenever Alex goes on the view, and they're referencing also after this, Charlie Sheen allowed cameras into his house and they publicly took his blood to be tested to prove that he's not on drugs.
Great.
But it's kind of interesting because blood testing for drug use is incredibly, incredibly accurate.
It's very good for finding stuff.
But unfortunately, the amount of time it's detectable in your blood, the window is very short.
So for instance, amphetamines aren't detectable after like 10 hours in your blood.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
That's good to know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Methamphetamine is about 24 hours.
Barbituates, possibly about a day or two.
Benzos could be as quick as six hours later out of your blood.
Cocaine, generally about 12 hours.
It's not detectable in your blood.
So I don't know.
I'm not convinced.
Oh, LSD also, zero.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I was going to say, that's hard to detect, period.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
PCP, about 12 hours, generally speaking.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I've never done PCP.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
The idea that he's proving that he's not doing drugs by having them take his blood is like, you could just time this.
Yeah.
That's ridiculous.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
You would hope he would have done some research on it before he committed to that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
So I'm sorry.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I was never a big fan of the whole Charlie Sheen meltdown just because it's sad.
I mean, I don't like I don't watching somebody who is clearly mentally ill on top of doing all that.
Like, you're not you don't wind up doing a shit ton of cocaine and all of this shit without having some underlying mental issues going on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Oh, absolutely.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
But it's clear that he is, if not of my people, at least adjacent to the bipolar community.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Oh, definitely.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
And so it was like a little bit of.
I mean, at a certain point, you stop punching up whenever you're mocking a celebrity and you start really punching down.
Well, that's kind of my issue there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Because the celebrity portion gets eclipsed by the human portion of it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
That whole time period was very uncomfortable for me because I did know a few people who were like, ha ha, isn't this awesome?
Yeah.
And I thought, no, this is not awesome.
This is painful.
This is really tough to watch.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I think my biggest issue, though, is Alex went to Charlie's house.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Oh, yeah, they're buddies.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Are they friends?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, they've been friends for a long time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Have they been friends for a long time?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, they're both crazy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Why?
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
i don't know is he if i had known that i would have so whenever alex starts talking about star fuckery how come he doesn't bring up charlie sheen all the time he He does sometimes, but I think that the way that this ends up playing out, he doesn't want to bring it up much.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Gotcha.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Especially the way, I don't want to tease too much, but the stuff that Charlie Sheen has said lately about this period of his life, I don't think Alex wants to associate necessarily too closely.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Because Charlie Sheen's retconned a whole bunch of stuff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Let's say.
Spoiler alert, at the end of this, he's going to claim it was a steroid cream that gave him Royd Ray.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, that sounds right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
So he looks back on it.
He's like, this is a very cringy time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, man.
I bet Alex stopped being friends with Charlie when he stopped being as famous.
I would almost guarantee that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Possibly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I don't think Alex.
I think Alex is such a star fucker that he, the moment the star fades, he's like, I got to find new famous friends.
I think so.
I think he abandoned Charlie Sheen.
unidentified
don't know i don't know if there's i don't know what and he did kill knock That's possibly true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Don't tell John Wick.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
Don't want to ever defend yourself, but you've told me privately most of the stuff, most of the names.
It's not true.
What is going on with the women in your life?
charlie sheen ▲ ● ▼
The goddesses, Alex, the goddesses.
Let me just say this about the goddesses.
I don't believe the term is good enough, is good enough.
But when you're bound by these terrestrial descriptions, you must use the best choice available, right?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
Yes.
charlie sheen ▲ ● ▼
So if you think about it, dude, it's like I'm over three with marriage with narrow an excuse, but like in baseball, the scoreboard doesn't lie, never has.
So what we all have is a marriage of the heart, of the hearts.
And to sully, contaminate, or radically disrespect this union with the shameful contract is something I will leave to the amateurs and the Bible grippers.
The Bible grippers.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
You nailed it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Nailed it.
You know, winning.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
What's strange there is when somebody like that uses the term goddess, that is simply another way of demeaning women.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Totally.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
It's such a strange thing for him to like, oh, terrestrial words aren't enough, but scoreboard doesn't lie.
And you're like, fuck you.
What are you fucking talking about?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And he's talking about the porn stars that he's hanging out with.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
Oh, well, that's.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
He's probably doing dark time.
unidentified
Hey.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I don't judge anybody in the sex work industry.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
No, neither do I, but it's just like you have to look at the picture of what he was doing at that time.
Fair, fair.
Because in this next clip, actually, we'll even get to it.
They talk about whether his, I believe, then-wife is involved with his shenanigans.
And he has a very interesting spin on it.
charlie sheen ▲ ● ▼
And then I just got to add this.
There was a whole firestorm yesterday about Brooke being a part of our crew.
And this, let me just say this.
This is all I'm going to say about it is that where there were four, there are now three.
But bye, Brooke.
And good luck in your travels.
You're going to need it badly.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
So Brooke did go along with you, but she's not there now.
charlie sheen ▲ ● ▼
No, she's not there now.
And we are.
And, I don't know, winning anyone?
Rhymes with winning.
Anyone?
Yeah, that would be us.
Sorry, man.
Didn't make the rules.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
Oops.
Well, Charlie, I've known you for six and a half years or so, and I knew you when you were completely clean, and then I've known you since.
But the point is, now I've never seen you when I was out at your house and talked to you on the phone so energized as you are now.
I mean, you're on fire as Nails told the news yesterday.
I mean, I agree with that description.
charlie sheen ▲ ● ▼
Well, I think it was Nails that said I was really, really flattered because he got it right that I'm not, you know, he might be nails, but I'm freaking bayonets, you know.
I am battle-clad bayonets, bro.
And I'm tired.
I'm so tired of pretending like my life isn't perfect and bitching and just winning every second.
And I'm not perfect in bitching and just delivering the goods at every freaking turn because look what I'm dealing with, man.
I'm dealing with fools and trolls.
I'm dealing with soft targets.
And it's just, you know, it's just strafing runs in my underwear before my first cup of coffee because I don't have time for these clowns.
I don't have time for their judgment and their stupidity.
And, you know, they lay down with their ugly wives in front of their ugly children and just look at their loser lives.
And then they look at me and they say, I can't process it.
Well, no, and you never will.
Stop trying.
Just sit back and enjoy the show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
That does sound a lot like Alex Jones.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
To some extent.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
That sounds a lot like what.
That's just a more concentrated version of the shit that Alex Jones has spread out over time.
Because I bet if we wanted to, you could go back and find a little chunk of different sentences and put all of those chunks together, and it would be word for word that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Alex is that same piece of shit.
Also, I'm interested now because Alex Jones 100% did a shit ton of Coke with Charlie Sheen.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
But there's a decent chance.
I don't know if you can say that.
100%.
100% seems very high.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I knew you when you were totally clean.
And so what's going on now is code for, yeah, we did a lot of Coke together.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I mean, again, I can't refute that.
I don't know.
I think we'll never be able to prove that.
It's entirely possible.
Whatever.
The issue here is that this is irresponsible of Alex.
I know that he's such an attention grabber.
He's so desperate for any kind of attention that'll come to him that he knows that, like, oh, this guy's rambling nonsense.
Everyone's going to be all over this.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Not recognizing the damage that probably comes to the reputation and the life of someone he considers a friend.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And that's bad.
That's not a good human thing to do.
Like, if you came in here one day, you were all fucked up and you started just talking nonsense, and you'll see some of the other shit he ends up saying.
Like, I would not put that out.
No, of course not.
Or I would tell you to shut up and try and get the interview on track towards what the substance of the matter is.
And the fact that Alex doesn't do that, I mean.
unidentified
He's using, he's using Charlie.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
And that's kind of.
That's such a cruel thing to do.
I don't like that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
No, and that's one of the reasons I wanted to go over this.
I mean, not as much.
It is interesting that a lot of that madness has its roots here in Alex's show.
But the sort of cruelty of Alex's allowing him to do this is not just allowing him, egging him on actively.
Fake laughs.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Hey, be more crazy.
I'm giving you positive feedback, so you've got to keep bringing the goods.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Like that kind of thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, so in this next clip, we get to where things were fairly problematic.
And this is one of the big reasons that he got in trouble for this interview.
charlie sheen ▲ ● ▼
Heim Levine, yeah, that's Chuck's real name, mistook this rock star for his own selfish exit strategy, bro.
Check it, Alex.
I embarrassed him in front of his children and the world by healing at a pace that his unevolved mind cannot process.
Okay, unless I checked, Heim, I've spent, I think, close to the last decade, I don't know, effortlessly and magically converting your tin cans into pure gold.
And the gratitude I get in this charlatan chose not to do his job, which is to write.
Clearly, someone who believes he is above the law.
Well, you've been warned, dude.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
So he's talking about Chuck Laurie.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, got a little started off anti-Semitic.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
A little bit.
unidentified
Harsh.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Especially calling him Heim Levine, because his real name is Charles Michael Levine.
And so the Heim part is probably just directly you are a child.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
And he might as well have said, like, I embarrassed him and his Jew children in front of the world.
Like that kind of level of anti-Semite.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, he and Chuck Laurie explained that he changed his name because his mother was never a fan of his father's family, and she had an unfortunate habit of using Levine as a stinging insult.
When displeased with me, she would often say or shriek, you know what you are?
You're a Levine, a no-good rotten Levine.
So as far back as I can remember, every time I heard my last name, I would experience acute feelings of low self-esteem.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Well, that's what I always say about Adam Levine.
So there's that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
His songs have taken a toll on me.
So it's not too much of a mystery.
He's not trying to hide his Jewish heritage or whatever.
It's not that at all.
And the fact that Charlie is using that as some sort of an insult is really the reason that he got into trouble.
So I'm going to read to you from a Guardian article here.
Filming of the 30-minute show, Two and a Half Men, had been due to restart next week after Sheen's latest bout of rehabilitation for drink and drugs until he hit the self-destruct button in spectacular style on Thursday when he spoke live to a radio jock called Alex Jones.
For CBS and its holding company, Warner Brothers Television, what probably most stuck in the crawl was his anti-Semitism-ting tirade against the creator and lead writer of Two and a Half Men, Chuck Laurie.
So that's probably, you know, the world believes, and I think rightfully so, that that was a big mistake.
Yeah.
That's real bad and probably a big part of why he.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
What a more innocent time where the Guardian just calls him Radio Jock Alex Jones.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Less awareness of his.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
exactly so here's that is not his uh his uh uh what preamble uh in the current times no No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
No, he is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Noted asshole conspiracy theorist monster, Alex Jones.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, that's not part of his honorific title.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Radio Jock has gone by the wayside.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
So in this next clip, we get to see one of Charlie's big catchphrases get deployed.
And it's just lunacy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
Years I've known you, and in the years people that have known you for decades, they say Charlie is on fire.
And after he came out of what he's been in the last seven months, he is not putting up with people trying to push him around anymore.
Is that fair to say?
charlie sheen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, it's an understatement.
I'm sorry, man.
I got magic and I got poetry at my fingertips.
And I'm, you know, most of the time, and this is, you know, this includes naps.
You know, I'm an F-18, bro, and I will destroy you in the air, and I will deploy my ordinance to the ground.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
Are you going to announce your new tattoo here on air?
charlie sheen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, why not?
Because it's just pure and complete gnarlyisms.
Yeah, I sat with two, hey, coincidence, F-18 top gun radical fire, napalm dropping pilots in my movie theater watching the attack sequence that did the chopper attack sequence on the beachhead to go surfing because they wanted to, and those people were in their way and I and I was getting a tattoo during the the Death From Above, and it was a.
It's the banner from the death card that that Kilgore is throwing on his victims, but there's also falling from.
It is the.
Is the apple from the giving tree.
There's my life.
Deal with it.
Oh wait, can't process it.
Losers winning goodbye.
unidentified
That I what, what I?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I didn't understand what tracked there.
What was he describing?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I think the tattoo is a combination of that death card that he's referencing and an apple from the giving tree.
I don't know.
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I mean like look, like I said, there's nothing to really debunk, or like it's almost impossible to deconstruct or track any of this stuff, like the lines of thinking, completely disjointed.
You are you sitting with two F-18, Uh fighter pilots?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Were they giving, Giving him the tattoo?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
I don't know, man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
It doesn't matter.
Just thought of the fucking tattoo.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I've never considered getting a tattoo by two artists before.
That would be interesting.
Simultaneously?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Oh, they work their way towards each other?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, that'd be fun.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
That would be kind of fun.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I should do that.
I can't afford to hire two artists, though.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Nah.
Very, very pricey.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
That's twice as much per hour.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
So in this next clip, Alex talks about future movies that Charlie Sheen is going to be a part of.
The Rumor Mills are spinning.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Written by Alex Jones.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
The Rumor Mills are spinning.
And again, at this point, he'd not been fired from two and a half men because that comes after this.
Right.
But this is nonsense.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
Moving on along here: Major League Three.
Your other two were giant hits.
And I knew the inside baseball of some of the planning for that.
You told me about it a while back, but now it looks like it's really starting to come together.
Tell us about when we're going to be looking for Major League Three and who's going to be in it.
charlie sheen ▲ ● ▼
Major League Three, I don't know.
I haven't read it.
I don't care.
It's being directed and written by a genius named David Ward, who, oh, I don't know, won the Academy Award at 23 for writing the Sting.
And it was his pen and his vision that created the classic that we know today as Major League.
In fact, a lot of people think the movie's called The Wild Thing, as they should.
But whatever.
I agreed to do it.
There's just one deal point that Jim Robinson, a wonderful man, and Morgan Creek, a great company, need to work out.
If they want me in it, it's a smash.
If they don't, it's a turret that opens on a tugboat.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
A lot of fake laughs today.
This is a huge fake laughs per minute game, right now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
FPMs are high.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
FPMs.
So Major League came out in 1989.
Major League 2 came out in 1994.
And then Major League Back to the Minors came out in 1998.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
That did not have Charlie Sheen in it.
But I mean, it is the third Major League movie that already exists.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Was that a prequel, though?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I don't know.
No, it's not.
unidentified
No, it's back to the movie.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, because they go back to the Minors.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, but also.
I mean, it is like, I mean, I'm splitting hairs a little bit because there already is a third film.
But they did suggest making a proper sequel since that one did so poorly.
It was really bad.
So it's just a minor point.
The third movie does already exist.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
It was really weird in Back to the Minors whenever the disgraced nuclear physicist was murdered trying to buy.
Is that a different movie?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I think it might be.
The death card does get thrown.
I don't know.
Anyway, in this next clip, Alex asks Charlie Sheen the $64,000 question, which is, why did you decide to come and do this on InfoWars?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
That is a really big question.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And I can answer that in a different way than he does.
My answer would be, I figured the stakes are low.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
You know, I figure if you're going to do something like this, it's a safe bet that most people aren't going to pay attention to Alex's show, but you forget that your own celebrity, in this case, Charlie Sheen's own celebrity, is going to elevate this Alex Jones thing, which would be down here, to another level, and people are going to pay attention to that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Well, also, he did ask if they were live.
So to my mind, what I hear there is, Alex is calling me, or Alex told me that I should call him.
And it turns out he meant that it's an interview, and I didn't really realize that until it was too late.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
It's possible that his perceptions were that it was not a show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I think that's kind of what I'm kind of what I'm getting here.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And that's not to say that Alex tricked him or anything, although that is certainly a possibility.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
That is certainly a possibility.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And if that's the case, then this is even worse.
But be that as it may, that question gets brought up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
The idea that Alex did trick him then adds the truth that Alex Jones ruined Charlie Sheen's career almost single-handedly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And Charlie Sheen did it to himself, but Alex has a role to play in it by allowing this to happen.
Any professional would absolutely not allow that.
So anyway, that question gets asked, and then we get another one of those big old catchphrases from this period.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
Why did you decide to basically unleash yourself here on this broadcast?
charlie sheen ▲ ● ▼
Because I'm just I don't know why why give an interview when you can leave a warning, you know?
That it's just not I'm just not a I'm not fair game.
I'm not a soft target.
It's over.
There's a new there's a new sheriff in town.
And he has an army of assassins.
Oh, we must speak of the Vatican assassins, yes.
I don't read anything after it comes out because I will not waste my precious time on such ridiculous nonsense.
But I understand, according to you, that there was a lot of curiosity about the Vatican assassin.
And I'm like, guys, it's right there in the thing.
We murder people.
We're Vatican assassins.
How complicated can it be?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
Oh, my gosh.
charlie sheen ▲ ● ▼
What they're not ready for is guys like you and I and Nails and all the other gnarly gnarlingtons in my life that we are high priest Vatican assassin warlocks.
Boom.
Print that, people.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
Let's see where that goes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
So throughout the context of this episode, it's pretty clear that this is an inside joke between him and Alex.
I know that a lot of people made a lot of hay out of the Vatican Assassins thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And that maybe he actually thought that Vatican assassins were after him and what have you.
I don't know if that's the case.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I kind of lean towards what you're saying there as well.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
From the context I'm able to glean from this episode, it appears that it's just probably something that they laughed about privately and then decided to talk about on air.
Right.
And it might be something trolling.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
It's something that they thought about while they were all doing a lot of Coke together in Charlie Sheen's house.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
It's entirely possible.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
So, you know, when you do Coke, you don't end up just doing nothing.
Sometimes you watch movies.
charlie sheen ▲ ● ▼
Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Or hang out with Lenny Dykstra.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Nails.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Anytime anybody does Coke, Lenny Dykstra shows up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Hey guys.
It's weird.
Yeah.
unidentified
So in this next clip, although I think he might be in jail now.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I'm pretty sure he's in jail.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
He's lost track of Nails.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, Nails is in jails.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
So in this next clip, we get a weird breakdown of Apocalypse Now.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Is that the movie he was watching?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
It might have been.
And so in this next clip, we get Charlie's very bizarre take on Apocalypse Now.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Getting into Apocalypse Now also, I'm getting from the chat room from Nikki Gifts that Lenny Dykstra is out of prison.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Congratulations, Nails.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Not good, but good for him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Sure.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
It's one of the things.
It's probably my favorite movie.
I know it's yours.
Of course, your dad stars in it.
You were there for months during the production of it.
Put a big mark on your soul.
Apocalypse Now, my friend.
charlie sheen ▲ ● ▼
I mean, there's not much you can say other than genius represents life.
Apocalypse will teach you how to live inside of a moment between a moment.
And that's where life is because, you know, I'm not just Captain Willard.
I'm not just my dad.
And I'm, you know, heading up the river to kill another part of me, which is Kurt's.
I am every character in between, save for that little weirdo with his gut strapped in, begging for water.
That's not me.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I feel like that's actually you.
charlie sheen ▲ ● ▼
But, you know, there are parts of me that are Dennis Hopper because my motto now is you either love or you hate and you must do so violently.
And the reason you must hate violently is because and you have to hate everybody that's not in your family because they're there to destroy your family.
And they will come at you in all forms and shapes.
And therefore there's nothing in the middle.
I don't live in the middle anymore.
That's where you get slaughtered.
That's where you get embarrassed in front of the prom queen.
And I just it's just not it's just not an option.
So, you know, within that is tremendous focus and tremendous clarity and tremendous peace because you have absolute and total resolve about your decisions.
If you love with violence and you hate with violence, there's nothing that can be questioned.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
So that's an interesting take on Apocalypse Now.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I don't think that was Joseph Campbell's point.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
But I don't think so.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
wrote Heart of Darkness, I don't think he was I don't think he was like You know what this is about Everyone's trying to destroy your family except those in your family.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Therefore, you must hate and love violently.
unidentified
Yep.
Yep.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Colonel Kurtz.
unidentified
Yep.
Yep.
charlie sheen ▲ ● ▼
I got it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I mean, I don't like that.
I don't like that as a philosophy.
I'll just leave it at that.
I don't like that as a way to look at the world.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I wonder how Martin Sheen's...
I wonder how Charlie's doing now.
Do you think he's doing okay?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
No.
Sort of.
I don't know.
I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I mean, Martin's on that show with Charlie Sheen or Martin Sheen.
I'm talking about Martin Sheen.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
He's old?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, he's old and he's still on that show with the one where it turns out they're gay and they were married to their best friends or whatever.
It's on Netflix.
It's actually pretty funny.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I don't know the show you're talking about.
I don't have Netflix.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
It's pretty good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Sure, I believe you.
But yeah, it's Joseph Conrad.
You're getting shot.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, yeah, I know.
I dunked on it.
Completely forgot.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Completely forgot.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Similar enough names.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, no, I've messed up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
That's a gimme.
Yeah, I don't know, man.
unidentified
My bad.
Misspoke.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Also, it's Grace and Frankie is the show.
See, there we go.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
This is why the chat room is here.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Very helpful.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
To just correct my dumb shit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, so I know Emilio Estevez is doing great, starring in Major League Four.
Turning out soon.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I'm just wondering, like, if you're still Martin Sheen and you're still famous and you're still working and your son has exploded his career and everything about his life, how do you react to that?
Like, I know they don't have a particularly close relationship.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I imagine it's tough to watch.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, right?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I would assume.
I don't know.
Because also, you have to consider, too, that, like, you know, as we sort of laid out in very rough details, you know, certainly not a full picture.
But Charlie Sheen has a history of domestic violence dating back to 1989 or whatever.
And he's been in and out of rehab since around that time.
So as a parent, you kind of probably diminished expectations, perhaps.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Perhaps.
I think that you kind of have to, for your own protection, understand that there's just a reality here.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
There's nothing worse than when a parent has to bury their child's career.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
That's really tough.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
That's tragic.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
So there are a number of people in the world who have had substance abuse issues and have been able to turn their life around through the help of the program.
There are a number of people who advocate for alternative programs.
Certainly, AA isn't the only way to go or NA.
There are other non-faith-based sort of organizations.
And even AA isn't really a religious organization, although that criticism is thrown around a lot because of the higher power component, which a lot of people misrepresent and misunderstand to mean that you have to believe in God or any of that stuff.
But Charlie Sheen does not like AA.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
That sounds right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
So in this next clip, he says some bad stuff about AA.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
Well, Charlie, I mean, I tell you, it is amazing.
And I just appreciate you coming on today so folks can really hear the energized, unleashed Charlie Sheen.
You wanted to talk about AA because, you know, when I was at your house, I said, man, great job being completely sober and how important it was.
charlie sheen ▲ ● ▼
And then we did Howard Sober because that's a term from those people.
And I have cleansed myself.
I closed my eyes.
And in a nanosecond, I cured myself from this ridiculous model of disease and addiction and obsession.
It's just the work of sissies.
The only thing I'm addicted to right now is winning.
This bootleg cult, you know, arrogantly referred to as Alcoholics Anonymous supports a 5% success rate.
My success rate is 100%.
Do the math.
unidentified
All right.
charlie sheen ▲ ● ▼
Take, for instance, its founder, a death prince.
I don't know, broken down plagiarist, stayed high on acid until the day he died.
I can't seem to find that chapter in his silly book of lies.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
To be fair, acid isn't necessarily a drug of abuse, you know, in the same way that alcohol, cocaine is.
There's not really.
You can't really do it all the time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
It's really hard to do all the time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Most people will never have to even come close to the idea of being addicted to LSD.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
But be that as it may, he does make a valid point that...
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
That's actually a really good question.
Do you...
Have you heard of anybody who was addicted to LSD?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
No, I've known some people who did too much.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
But not addicted, certainly.
It's the same thing with mushrooms and stuff.
You can't do too much of it.
Your body just won't allow you to.
And if you do a bunch of it, it'll stop having as much of an effect.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And you'll just naturally be like, eh, I'm going to stop.
It doesn't trigger the same addictive brain chemicals.
I don't understand it fully.
I'm not a doctor.
But no, I've never known anyone who's been addicted to psychedelics.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, that'd be a strange thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I can't be addicted to people who do too much.
Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
You can absolutely do too many.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
You're going to too many jam-band festivals, you do too much.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Damn, there's no such thing as too many jam-band festivals.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I was trying to work that into some sort of a Jeff Foxworthy setup.
If you go to too many jam-band festivals, you might do too much acid.
It's not good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
No, it's not good.
It doesn't have the right rhythm.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Nope.
Nope.
I just did a bad bit.
Yep.
So I would suggest that his rhetoric about AA is unhelpful.
I would suggest that based on everything, he did not cure himself of addiction in the world.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
100% might be high for him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
It's the kind of thinking that you...
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I mean, at the very least, at this point in time, he's like one for three.
Even if he's correct this time, he's already been addicted multiple times in the past.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
No, I mean, if you count the failed attempts at rehab and stuff like that, then you...
Here's the thing.
That's why that 5% success rate that he's citing for AA.
AA does have a pretty low success rate.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Right.
It's about equal to people who decide to quit on their own, and that success rate is mainly because addiction does require a lot of personal will in order to break.
And so regardless of whether or not you have a program of support to you, you know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And there's a couple pieces to it, too, that are important.
Everyone who goes through recovery knows that relapse is a part of recovery.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And you're going to end up failing.
At some point, what's important is just getting back on track.
Right.
And then beyond that, it's anonymous.
And I don't know if you're able to really get a good statistical perfectly accurate portrait.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
That's a good point.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And I think the success rate is lower than we would hope it would be.
Right, right.
But leaving people within their own addictions, that usually leads to death or prison.
So I'll take a 5% success rate if that's what it is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Better than zero.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, and then work towards something better.
And I think things like Iba gain and stuff like that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I've never heard of that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I don't know enough about it, but I've heard some people suggesting that it's a very powerful cure for addictions.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Sounds culty.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Well, it's like a very heavy hallucinogen.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
In the same way that you hear people talking about how doing ayahuasca cured them of cigarette addiction and stuff like that like that.
I don't know.
I think it's possible.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
There have been plenty of people who have started making the claim that taking LSD is a way of kind of lessening your symptoms of bipolar disease.
That's something that I've read a lot about and how a lot of people have said that they haven't had to deal with as stringent a program after that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Or even like ecstasy helping with PTSD.
Yeah, there's all sorts of things that I'm, you know, it's outside of necessarily like our frame of study.
Right.
Appropriate medicine in quotes, but I think there's possibilities.
Anyway, my point is that this is stupid.
What he's saying is stupid.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
But there's a world of recovery outside of AA, and I would rather him espouse that sort of rhetoric as opposed to these stupid assholes I cured myself in a nanosecond.
Yeah.
And the guy who ran the organization was an idiot.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Well, I mean, the thing that I think about listening to this kind of talk, which clearly he's at the very least, having a manic episode throughout this whole period of time.
Perhaps.
I look at that and I see what it is that sycophants do to those kinds of people.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
You mean in the form of Alex?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Alex taking that embodiment.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
And not just Alex, but all of the people around him at that time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Allowing him, yeah, nails especially, giving him that kind of ego and narcissism and allowing that to spread, allowing that to be as far and wide as possible.
Like, if you are Charlie Sheen, you have a massive platform to say something positive.
And because you're surrounded by these sycophants who tell you that everything you say is positive, to you, that is a positive thing to say.
What he's saying is, I am opening people's eyes.
In the same way that Alex Jones is surrounded by those sycophants who just, oh, everything you do is the greatest possible thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
You're saving the Republic.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Exactly.
So now all of the negative shit that you are putting out is viewed by you as something that you're doing to help people.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
It's a bigger thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
It's nonsense.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
And it's like to these guys, it's like, oh, this is tough love.
I need to break you free of this concept of being a better person.
You're never going to be a better person.
You're not part of my family.
And so I am killing you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
You will try and destroy my family.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
So, Jordan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
AA is trying to kill Charlie Sheen's family.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I think he probably thinks that.
So, you know, Alex Jones fancies himself a classical liberal.
He likes to call himself a classical liberal.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And often talks about how he's a liberal in the Thomas Jefferson mold.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
In this next clip, Charlie Sheen says something really weird about Thomas Jefferson.
unidentified
Okay.
charlie sheen ▲ ● ▼
Be one of us.
Newsflash, I am special, and I will never be one of you.
There it is.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
You sound like Thomas Jefferson.
charlie sheen ▲ ● ▼
Not Thomas Jefferson.
He was a pussy.
No, but I dare anyone to debate me on things.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I would have thought.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
This is kind of where I expect you to be like, all right, now we're going to get into all of the fights that Thomas Jefferson won over the years.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Well, I would expect Alex to be like, you're now inviting a debate, and you have insulted someone who I think is the most important founding father, and I am in line with him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
He has, this is one of those Alex has no actual principles other than if I want you to like me, I will agree with everything you say.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, and there's barely him doing any heavy lifting at all or trying to lead the conversation into greener pastures.
He's just like doing his fake laugh, and sometimes I think that it's a sincere laugh, and then just being like, hey, what's about that new tattoo of yours?
Man, I've been over to your house.
You're totally sober.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Just allowing him to play himself out like that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Charlie!
Charlie, spray bullets everywhere.
I'm loving it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
And then he even allows him to do this.
He just allows him to read a note from one of his goddesses on the air that is about nothing.
Listen to this shit.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
But, Charlie, you've got a note that you wanted to read here on air.
charlie sheen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, yes, I do.
And it's from one of my goddesses.
It's from the natty.
And it just says, this is how blessed and perfect my insane life is.
My monkey man, my king, my high priest, Ninja Warlock, I love you violently with the fire of 1,000 sons.
Thank you for sharing your wisdom, experience, Jedi mind powers, amazing humor, and unconditional love.
I am truly honored to not walk behind nor in front of you, but by your side.
N with a capital C.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I don't know why that should be on Alex's show.
I don't understand.
He's completely lost control of the interview.
It's just nonsense.
It's just allowing Charlie Sheen to be weird in public.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Well, yeah, that's what he wants.
That is him controlling the interview.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, to some extent.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Because if Charlie stopped doing that, if Charlie really just kind of calmed it down, was like, let's talk about the globalists, Alex would be pissed.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Probably.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Alex is like, no, the reason I got you onto the show is to be a fucking lunatic because that's what's going to get people to notice me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And it worked beyond Alex's possible imagination.
So in this next clip, we talk a little bit about poetry.
And Charlie Sheen has some interesting thoughts about poetry.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Also, they got to work on adjectives and titles.
Jedi minds.
charlie sheen ▲ ● ▼
And, you know, one of my favorite poets is Eminem, one of the smartest cats alive.
He actually inspired me, you know?
He inspired me to stay violent.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I don't like that sentence.
I do not like that sentence one bit.
Eminem inspires me to stay violent.
That's what I like in my poet.
And then Alex goes into like, you know, he said stuff about 9-11.
Isn't that cool?
Now, Flash River.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I guess it's better that he said Eminem inspires him to stay violent instead of being like, one of my favorite poets is Emily Dickinson.
She really inspires me to stay violent.
It's like, woo.
What poems are you reading?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
So we got one more clip.
Like I said, after a while, Lenny Dykstra comes in, and we're not going to listen to any of these nonsense.
But in this clip, Alex makes clear Charlie Sheen's got a job.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
And Charlie, you will be back at work Tuesday.
charlie sheen ▲ ● ▼
I'll be early.
I don't sleep.
I wait.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
I know you don't sleep.
Sometimes I get text from you at 3 a.m. your time.
You are certainly on fire, my friend.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
That's not good.
You know who sends texts at 3 in the morning?
3 in the morning, your time?
That's people on cocaine.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
So he may have gone back to work on that Tuesday in February, but Charlie got in trouble and got fired.
His contract was terminated with 2.5 men on March 7th, 2011.
Three days later, on March 10th, Charlie announced a nationwide tour called My Violent Torpedo of Truth.
The Detroit opening night show sold out in 18 minutes, but a closer look revealed that at least 1,000 of the tickets had been bought by a third-party reseller and were being sold at cut rate prices.
Terribly cut rate prices.
On April 2nd, his Detroit show happened, which was the opener of the tour.
And it was a mess.
His opening act was a stand-up comedian.
He got booed offstage.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
About 20 minutes after that.
charlie sheen ▲ ● ▼
That's not a good gig.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
That's not a good gig.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Uh-uh.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
That and Gathering of the Juggalos, which, spoiler alert, that year Charlie Sheen hosted.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I did not know that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Those are the two gigs I don't want as a stand-up.
I have no interest in that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I knew a guy who, or I, no, I think he might be dead.
He went around opening for Screech.
Like, that was his gig.
And he would describe it as, oh, it's the best gig.
You go to casinos, you have to do 10 minutes, you get paid plenty of money.
And very shortly thereafter, he was a party to Screech's violence and such.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I mean, the money part is nice if you don't care about all the stuff that comes along with it.
Yeah, right?
unidentified
But I have to drive around with Screech all day.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
That does not sound fun.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Opening for the Violent Torpedo of Truth tour in Detroit seems equally bad.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I want to know who that guy was.
I want to know which comic, though.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I probably could have figured out, but I didn't want to look into it just in case.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
We knew him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Well, not that, but even if saying his name is, it feels shitty.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
You know, in the same way that talking about the people who are in Charlie Sheen's life who aren't named Lenny Dykstra feels really shitty.
Right.
Because in some ways, maybe their actions were complicit in enabling him and stuff like that, but I don't feel I don't feel like it's necessary to point a finger at them.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
No, I mean, just I mean, I'm more interested in.
Now I'm like, I think I would take that gig, right?
You got to take that gig.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
For the story?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
To open up for Charlie Sheen, because maybe it's a great gig.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I hope.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Either way, you're opening up for Charlie Sheen losing his fucking mind.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
What I would like to do is I get that invitation.
I say, no, but Jordan's perfect for it.
And then I come along.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And I watch and join in booing you.
Oh, man, it'd be so good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
That would be the most satisfying booed offstage of my life.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
So I'm just trying to track the sort of causal relationship between things.
Alex has Charlie Sheen on the show to ramble for 40 minutes like an idiot.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
40 minutes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
During which time, he calls Chuck Laurie Heim Levine and throws very dog-whistly Jewish insults at him and just acts like a crazy person.
And it does end up going viral and it leads to him getting fired.
And, I mean, his behavior after the fact didn't help.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Like when they were saying they were going to fire him, he insisted he should get a raise instead.
Sort of like Socrates.
So, you know, Alex didn't do all of it, but it started this ball down the road.
I guess actually probably the having to halt production to go to rehab.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
That was probably where it began.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
That certainly plays a part in it, but I think a lot of it could have been smoothed out if you didn't go on a national radio show and say those things about Chuck Lurie and then also say, he won't do his job.
I turn his tin cans into gold and stuff like that.
I think that you could probably undo the damage that you do to halting production because of your addiction problems.
I think you could probably smooth that out.
But this is too far.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Well, because this is the reason that he kept going, probably.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Because he got positive reinforcement from this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Because this went viral.
Now everybody wants to talk to him about the interview that he did.
And that gave him even more, even a larger platform to say his crazy nonsense.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And then Alex Jones goes on the view to publicly defend him, which stokes the fires even further.
So anyway, he gets fired and then almost immediately introduces this tour.
And so he goes on this tour, and I want to talk a little bit more about the Detroit show.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
It's such a disaster.
Like I said, his opening act gets booed offstage because everyone's like, what the fuck is going on here?
Because it was supposed to have a raucous party rock star atmosphere.
And like, I don't want to hear this guy do puns or whatever.
So audiences turned immediately.
About 20 minutes after the actual show starts, the booze start being directed at Charlie because he's just rambling a bunch of bullshit.
He starts the show off playing weird video packages and stuff and having his goddesses come out on stage.
unidentified
Great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And people are just not fucking into it.
They start booing at him about 20 minutes in, which is pretty quick.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
That's rude.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
You would think that as just a celebrity, you have a grace period of more than 20.
But it turns out you don't.
So in response to all the booze, he says, quote, I already got your money, dude.
Which does not make the crowd happier.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
At one point, Sheen says he's going to, quote, tell some stories about crack.
I figured Detroit was a good place to tell some crack stories.
This comment, not surprisingly, does not go over well.
Quote, show of hands.
Who here has tried crack?
A few people raised their hands.
Quote, I don't do crack anymore, but this is a good fucking night to do some crack.
The audience booze.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
About an hour in, people start walking out as Charlie composes a tweet on stage.
Later, Charlie plays a rap track he made with Snoop Dogg.
They had said that Snoop would be there, but he was a no-show because he was performing at the Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Awards that night.
Which is a tragic.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
How far away was that from Detroit?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
He was in Los Angeles.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
So he wasn't going to be able to make it even after the show was taped.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
No.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
No.
And so the sort of elephant in the room and the thing that we've not really addressed too much is that in 2015, Charlie Sheen came out and publicly acknowledged that he was HIV positive.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Oh, that's right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And that a lot of the stuff about the chaos in his life, I believe he's traced some of it towards there being a parallel path of some of that, like dealing with the diagnosis and stuff like that.
His personal life and all that stuff as it relates to that, I don't really want to touch.
I feel very weird talking about any of that.
I don't know.
You read about people's personal private lives and you hear something that's pretty messed up.
You hear their side of it.
I just don't want to engage with it.
It's not really important for our show.
But when he was coming out and publicly talking about that, he would go on to claim that the entire episode of his Tiger Blood stuff, the I Have Poetry Coming Out of My Fingers, Vatican Assassin's nonsense, it was all about Roy Rage.
And, quote, speaking to the ABC News Good Morning America, Sheen said of this period in his life, quote, it's fun to kind of watch sometimes, but also it's just a little cringable.
It's like, dude, what the hell was that?
I was doing way too much testosterone cream, trying to get the old libido up, he added.
Quote, it metabolizes into basically a Roy Rage.
That whole Odyssey, that was basically an accidental Roy rage.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I mean, is that possible?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I doubt it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
It doesn't feel like a thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I feel like he's probably doing a ton of coke.
Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
That feels right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
But also, he probably was doing this testosterone cream.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And now the reason that I want to just leave with that or sort of.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I mean, at the same time, that almost makes as much sense because you see a guy like him aging.
You can see his fame and all the shit that he's going through and all of that.
And apparently he's got multiple porn stars around him all the time with Brooke there.
Brooke Shields?
unidentified
Is that who he is?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
No, Brooke Mueller.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Brooke Mueller, sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I think his third wife.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
And yeah, I can definitely see the expectations that he would place upon himself.
And then, of course, the insecurity and all of that stuff.
He's trying to turn himself into far more of a man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
The man that he projects himself to be.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And you start using all this language of like, you know, I hate to keep using Tiger Blood, but sort of the, I think it's the title of the era in his life, certainly.
The Tiger Blood years.
Yeah.
That is projecting an image of masculinity that a normal person would be impossible to live up to, especially someone who's like 50, 55, 60.
I don't know how old he is.
He was probably 50.
Anyway, the other thing that I want to point out is that maybe one of the reasons that Alex Jones doesn't want to necessarily publicly talk so much about them being friends.
Although I don't agree with your assessment that he has thrown him under the bus.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I'm not.
Wait, what do you mean?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
You were suggesting at the beginning of the show that they're not as good of friends anymore or anything like that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Because he does still bring him up from time to time.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
But the reason that I think he doesn't go around and flaunt that I had Charlie Sheen on and that caused all this was because of how negatively it all played out.
And because now, in present day, he's blaming it on artificial testosterone boosters, which is Alex Jones' main business.
That's a good point.
I think that if Charlie Sheen is talking about how cringy it is to look back at this period of his life because of testosterone products giving him Reud rage, that kind of undercuts Supermale vitality to a certain extent.
Or at least indicates that, hey, maybe Alex's behavior is due to that sort of thing, too.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
And I think the parallels are shockingly easy to trace.
So anyway, I think that this is an interesting piece of Alex Jones' history.
I think this is a little more uncomfortable to listen to than I expected it to be.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
You know, I really, like, this reminds me of where we were whenever all of this stuff was happening.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
So innocent.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I just remember.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Such an innocent time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I just remember I couldn't partake in that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Like, I feel the same way right now.
Like, I want to have the distance to start to find this funny again.
But this really just makes me feel burning sympathy.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Like, this is a man destroying himself.
And the fact that a lot of people laughed at him about it is.
Like, at the same time, he's a fucking dumbass celebrity who can go, you know, who can die.
I don't give a shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
You need to be intellectually fair.
You and I both got a good laugh out of the first one's a piss test, the next one's going in your mouth.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
That's pretty great.
That is pretty great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
That's a good line.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
That's a good line.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
That would have been a great line for the Detroit show.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
The next one's going in your mouth and it won't get you high.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, that one's good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
That's a keeper.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
I like that one.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
That would not have got the opening act boot off stage.
That's a solid bit.
So, anyway, this has been fun, but in the end, also ultimately uncomfortable and tragic.
Anyway.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Knowledge fight.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
That's our tagline.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, uncomfortable and tragic.
It's pretty fun, though.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Thank you all for listening.
If you'd like more of the show, you can find it at knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
You can go to what?
You could go to iTunes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Can you?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
You could go to Twitter.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Yep.
Knowledge underscore fight on Twitter.
Also, we are on Facebook.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
And we are doing the March Madness bracket.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
You can vote on the religious sound bites that we had today in the Facebook group.
Go home and tell your mother you're brilliant.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
And then I suppose, I mean, there's really only one person.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I think I know who you're going to say.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Do you?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
I think I do.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼
Because go fuck yourself, Lenny Dykstra.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼
Had a hunch it was going to be nails.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼
I love your work.
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