Knowledge Fight - #131: David Lynch Interview

Feb. 26, 2018 - Knowledge Fight

01:38:47

#131: David Lynch Interview

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In #131: David Lynch Interview, Dan Friesen and Jordan Holmes dissect Alex Jones’ 2006 attempt to link David Lynch’s films (Lost Highway, Twin Peaks) to O.J. Simpson conspiracies, only for Lynch to pivot toward promoting his book Catching the Big Fish—a thinly veiled TM sales pitch. Jones presses Lynch on 9/11 controlled demolitions, but Lynch deflects with vague "intuition" claims and the Maharishi’s failed Global Country of World Peace, a sovereign one-world state with its own currency (ROM). The hosts mock TM’s cult-like structure—teacher oaths, $1.3B land deals in Suriname, and expulsion from Costa Rica—while critiquing Lynch’s evasion as self-serving, exposing how conspiracy-adjacent figures exploit interviews to advance fringe agendas under the guise of deeper truths. [Automatically generated summary]
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alex jones

infowars 11:29

dan friesen

55:16

david lynch

09:53

jordan holmes

17:31

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milo yiannopolous

00:30

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steve pieczenik

00:25

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Speaker	Time	Text
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for holding.
unidentified		Hello, Alex.
		I'm a first-time caller.
		I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I love your work.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I love you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hey, everybody.
		Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
		I'm Dan.
unidentified		I'm Jordan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Indeed, that is what we do.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dan, Dan, let me ask you a question.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is there a hook?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We are back after what seems like forever.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you to everybody who enjoyed the end game coverage.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You can find all nine hours on our iTunes feed.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You can find Dan's monument to looking up whether or not a guy said that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of that.
		I want to start this show by just doing a little bit of house cleaning on that.
		I am very self-conscious because I think I didn't do a good enough job.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		On Thursday, on Thursday night, you were all up in my business saying, I got something wrong.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Jordan, I got something wrong.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Not so much that.
		I mean, I think, first of all, Malthus might have been a worse dude than we gave him credit for.
		He's probably a pretty terrible dude, and I think we let him off the hook too easy.
		But then the other thing was that in the first episode, at the beginning, the first thing we stopped for, that H.G. Wells quote, I misread my notes about the quote.
		And that's accurate.
		What I said in there was accurate.
		But also, the specific part of the quote that he takes out.
		He doesn't even put an ellipsis in to note that he was, you know, the quote.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's not using AP style.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The quote that he says is like, many people will resist the New World Order or die resisting it or whatever.
		Right, right, right.
		In the middle of those two sentences, there's a list of like millionaires and Maharajis.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Really?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's just like the specific people he's talking about in that quote.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I forgot to point that out.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And their addresses and where to buy a gun and where to find them and solve the New World Order problem.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's literally talking about the people who will resist the New World Order of taking care of people will be these millionaires.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So be that as it may, I just wanted to clear that up because I'm very self-conscious of myself.
unidentified		Wow.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And all this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I just didn't make the point strongly enough.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was even worse than we talked about.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's how stupid that quote is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's a couple more instances of that you can check out on our endgame bibliography, which is known.com.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If you have a CD of Incarta, you can also follow up with a lot of people.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or if you want to fuck around with the Wayback Machine.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you can get one of those.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You can find those.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You can get Mr. Peabody and fucking ride it out.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, Jordan, we got an interesting episode to go over today as our Welcome Back to Reality.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But before we get.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be all about Cotter.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		Up your nose.
		Before we get into that, I want to give a shout out to a couple of new donors.
		What's going on out there?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		What?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What's going on out there, Pete B?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much for joining up with the show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much, Pete Best.
unidentified		The fifth Beetle has joined up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The next one's actually very special.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Special shout-out to someone who has bumped up their donation, but at the same time, has also become the moderator of our new group on Facebook.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And is the encouragement for us actually creating that group?
		He sent me a message and said, hey, it would be kind of cool if we had a group where people can post stuff and joke around and all that stuff.
		So we have a group on Facebook.
		It's called Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The shortest name we could find.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So it's there.
		You could find it.
		And if you request to be a member, we will let you in the group.
		There's a lot of fun stuff going on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You only have to remember six of those eight words in order to find the group.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		People clowning around.
		It's a great time.
		And thank you for the time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And if you search Knowledge Fight, it won't come up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're stupid.
		But thank you for inspiring and encouraging us to open that up because it's really cool.
		It's so fun looking at all of the listeners and myself jumping in and clowning with each other.
unidentified		Absolutely.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's real nice.
		But thanks for inspiring that and bumping up the donation.
		Keegan, you're officially a technocrat.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified		Four stars.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Go home to your mother telling you brilliant.
		Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
		Daddy Sharp.
		Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
		He's a loser, little kitty baby.
		I don't want to hate black people.
		I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So thank you very much, Keegan.
		Now I think about it, he might have already been a technocrat.
		But either way, God bless you.
		You're the best.
		Hurrah.
		So, Jordan, it took a long time to do that endgame coverage because there was a ton of research into very weird, his bibliography sucked.
		There were loose ends.
		There were dead ends of his research and things he didn't prove at all.
		And I had to try and figure out what the fuck is he talking about.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There's a guy with a cowboy hat.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God, that cowboy hat.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Jim Tucker.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, to research where cowboy hats came from.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		His cowboy hat was, of course, made by a globalist, undercutting his entire argument.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I had to figure out why he wasn't also wearing a bolo tie.
		Oh, these were questions.
		And he's dead, so I had to have a seance to find out.
		It took a lot of time.
		So it took like weeks of research.
		And then we recorded.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a fun, harsh turn for us to take is all the spiritualists.
		All of a sudden, we're spiritualists.
		By the way, we are turn-of-the-century spiritualists, apparently.
		Yeah, it happens.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm the reincarnation of David Wilcox.
unidentified		Oh, man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm not dead.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Cleopatra.
		Cleopatra.
		That's me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		David Wilcox claims to be the reincarnation of, who is that guy?
		He's called the Sleeping Mystic.
		What was his fucking name?
		Edgar Casey.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He claims to be the reincarnation of Edgar Casey.
		And so this is not.
		Who gives a shit?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think now is the time to talk about reincarnation.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He has been on Project Camp a lot, so he might come up at some point in the future.
		But so, you know, we recorded that.
		That was a hot nine hours.
		And then the editing of it, the posting, putting together our bibliography, that took up most of last week.
		And so we haven't had an episode.
		And unfortunately or fortunately, it's debatable.
		In that time, a lot of stuff that hits close to home for Alex has happened.
		We had the guns.
		We had the shooting in Parkland, which I think that you and I have discussed.
		We have no interest in talking about, at least at this point, out of respect for those affected.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And rage.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's that.
		And that all the arguments that are made are really stupid and are the exact same arguments that have been made over and over and over again every time there's a tragedy.
		So if you want to know our feelings about it, go listen to us talk about Alex talking about Sandy Hook.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Pretty much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Pretty much the same fucking thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Very similar.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then there was that town hall meeting that CNN had.
		I don't know if he talks about that too much.
		But then some articles started to come out about how he was in trouble with YouTube standards.
unidentified		Yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's got two strikes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think he has two strikes left or something like that.
		Who knows?
		Yes.
		Arbitrary bullshit.
		I was talking on the group, Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant with some folks about it.
		My position on it is, quite frankly, that these sorts of articles are really just reinforcing his victim status and his narratives that he has.
		I think it does nobody any help to sell this sort of bullshit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, why exactly are you talking about how many fucking strikes he has on YouTube whenever he's an anti-semite fucking lunatic?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
unidentified		Who gives a shit about his strikes on YouTube?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Every single fucking article should be like, and here's why he's a monster, and here's why all of this stuff, instead of fucking Alex Jones, noted, ridiculous monster.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		My feeling on it is, quite frankly, like, I think it's stupid.
		I think the strikes they're referring to are nonspecific and full of shit.
		But then, further, like.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's amazing how much baseball has influenced our punitive systems.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		Yeah.
		But baseball's not arbitrary.
		No, there's rules.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You could make it two strikes.
		You could make it five strikes.
		It doesn't matter.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There are so many technicalities in baseball, but not in YouTube.
		Weird.
		So the other feeling that I had is like, all right, if you guys are going to play that game and that's what you want to do, hit me up.
		I could find you some more strikes.
		You know, I know a few things.
		I know a few places where he vaguely threatened Chris Cuomo's children.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you want some strikes?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We'll find you some strikes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We can get him banned from YouTube tomorrow.
unidentified		Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You guys want to talk about fortified supply?
		We have plenty of shit.
		We can get him banned from stuff, but that's not our objective.
		And I sincerely think that it's kind of not our objective.
		Well, but I think anybody who's pushing for some sort of a banning on the merits of content, I think, is barking up a really bad tree, and it's the wrong approach to take.
		Because up to a certain point, he is protected under free speech guidelines that are there specifically to protect speech that is disgusting and awful.
		And I think you play a losing game when you're like, Alex said something stupid.
		Let's get him kicked off X, Y, or Z. Right.
		The more reasonable thing to do is the crimes certainly deal with those.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Usually crime starts first.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then wage a campaign to allow his listeners to see him within the proper context.
		Things like show people his bibliography for endgame.
		That's something that I think could erode public confidence among InfoWarriors.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You would hope.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But again, we've talked about this.
		He would just say, of course, I don't have anything in the bibliography.
		All my sources are secret.
		You know, like, I have top top level.
		Anyway, who cares?
		I'm getting off on a terrible.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Top level Incarta access.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So it's been a big week for Alex.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Did you know there's a secret Encarta page that you can find on the dark web?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know what's weird?
unidentified		It has all of Incarta encapsulated?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		On Tor?
		Or a Tor browser?
		You get all of Encarta?
		Oh, yeah.
		So I think we did a really terrible job of a couple things, actually, now that I'm thinking about it a little more.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right, Dan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We're going to have to do it again.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		From the top.
unidentified		Get it going.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, we didn't know.
		Like, I think that it bears mentioning.
		Alex made that.
		That came out in 2006, 2007.
		He hasn't mentioned George Soros in that documentary once.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know, there's all sorts of things like that that are like.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, George Soros wasn't involved in building the trans-Texas pipeline or whatever it was.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But he was involved in everything, according to Alex.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I think it's interesting that his narrative hadn't developed to that point yet.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, what happened was they told Soros they were like, hey, you're doing a great job globalizing.
		We love it.
		Sit this Texas thing out.
		That way Alex can't talk about you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But he believes that he's a part of the trilateral commission and the Bilderberg group and all that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Who cares?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, he was the one who invented the time zone.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's just nonsense that his name doesn't come up once.
		And he's Alex Jones' big boogeyman.
		Anyway, it's been a big week for Alex.
		He's got a lot of shit to deal with.
		And I went back and I was like, all right, we're coming back.
		We had to check in with the present.
		And I was like, do we?
		I think we do out of a decency and a completeness.
		That's true.
		And so I was looking around and I was like, hmm, that's weird.
		Milo Yiannopoulos was on every day last week.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I saw that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He was on all the time.
unidentified		I saw that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I saw that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They're really trying to forge an alliance.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Really?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why is that?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I believe so.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, because Milo has reached a premature point in his career where no one wants him.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And when that happens, generally people go to InfoWars.
		And so he's going to InfoWars.
		And he's really, he's a potent tool for Alex right now.
		But I think he'll outstay his welcome pretty quickly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		As he has done literally everywhere else.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't mean this in any homophobic sense, but I think that Alex's audience, and Alex has to know this, I assume.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So much of what drives InfoWars is a misplaced version of masculinity.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And that's why they like this testosterone-driven Alex Jones screaming all the time and taking his shirt off and the Owen Schroer shooting hoops in a commercial for vitamin B or whatever.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know, there's a weird testosterone-driven masculinity that is at the core of InfoWars.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So you're saying an a fete homosexual will, especially a British one, will most likely turn off his very masculine-based, awful, awful listener.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think it's only a matter of time before the charm wears off for them.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So if Alex is trying to give him his own.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You don't think a certain amount of tokenism will instead make them feel more enlightened?
		They'll be like, see, you can't call us racist or homophobes.
		We listen to a gay man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's possible, but I think the alternative is more likely.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Just based on the more like Johnny, like these guys all love the Olympics.
		They've been listening to Johnny Weir.
		They're crying at figure skating all the time.
		That's something that we know about InfoWars.
unidentified		Sure.
unidentified		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		And admittedly, I'm just guessing.
		But who knows?
		Who knows?
unidentified		I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So far, it's been a really good press gambit for the two of them.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, everyone, all these sites are writing about it and what have you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Milo said something, and it's weird how any time there's a InfoWars change, they'll write up a boring, like, well, look at Milo is saying bullshit on InfoWars, but the day-to-day monstrosity is never covered.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know why?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I've been thinking about that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because we do it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because it's fucking hard.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It is fucking hard.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, you think about the bottleneck of Alex Jones' InfoWars-related material.
		It generally comes from, you know, right-wing watch or Media Matters, but even Media Matters generally gets their clips from Right Wing Watch.
		And the reason is it fucking takes forever to go through all this bullshit, and Right Wing Watch does it for you.
		So Right Wing Watch puts out a video of X, Y, or Z thing that they think is interesting from Alex Jones' show.
		And then Media Matters or, and I'm not saying anything bad about Media Matters or Sam Cedar or any of these shows, any of these YouTube shows.
		They pick up the thing that Right Wing Watch put out because it's the work done for them already.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Whereas we're not going to be able to do it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So you're saying that Right Wing Watch should hire us.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't want to do that.
		I don't want to be a part of any of those institutions.
		Like, I thought about this.
		I could apply for a job at Media Matters and probably get one.
		Like, based on the work that I've done already, a lot of the things I've written, a demonstrated track record of being on that side, hypothetically.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what there is more to that side that I don't know, but I would assume the competences I've displayed probably would get me at least an entry-level job.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You would hope.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I have no interest in that.
		I don't want to move to DC.
		But anyway.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fair enough.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So my point is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Work from home, Dan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Freelance.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		My point is that there's nothing nefarious about the idea that everyone just covers this clip of Milo being embarrassing, selling supplements or whatever.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's because it's the thing that someone's already pre-packaged for you, and you can just push it out.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I get it.
		I just wish that people would, like you were saying, look at the bigger picture.
		Anyway, I checked in on Friday, so I wanted to see what was happening.
		And so I watched a bit of it, and I have a couple clips I want to play for you.
		In this first one, Alex is furious, and he explains how he feels about this perceived censorship that's going on with YouTube.
		And he references a Wall Street Journal article that he flashes up on screen, and it doesn't say the things he says it says.
		Of course not.
		But let's enjoy.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I've tried to explain this feeling.
		It's like coming home to your apartment because I haven't had any robberies since I lived a house or apartment.
		And all your stuff's been torn through.
		And on top of it, whoever was in your house up at the week, you got people breaking, you know, you stay in there.
		I guess they know you're out of town or something.
		And then somebody pisses on your rug for no reason, right out of Big LaBau.
		So you're like, wow, you know, you pissed on my floor.
		He didn't just steal my computer and TV and eat stuff out of the refrigerator.
		You pissed on the floor.
		And that's what CNN's like.
		Fake news, fake town halls, fake scripted interviews.
		They've all been caught going and harassing old ladies at their houses.
		Saying all this crap to try to bully the American Cuomo going, you're not allowed to look at WikiLeaks.
		You'll be arrested if you do.
		I am allowed to.
		I mean, the condescension of a narcissistic middle shit like that.
		I mean, a drooling, knuckle-dragging, 75 IQ thug, a thug, like a stupid brother.
		But no, I'm serious, Milo.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he's talking to Milo?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I feel raped, and I don't feel like I'm a victim.
		I'm pissed.
		I want to unscrew somebody's head politically.
		I mean, this is a real group of flaming authoritarians that brag and celebrate that they banned you off Twitter and have financially tried to ruin you and they celebrate everywhere, pissing on you constantly.
		And people say, why are you that Milo guy?
		And it's fashionable to tear him down because he knows Milo Ruggswee.
		Like I said Wednesday, and now I am.
		And all these other idiot libertarian and conservative hosts that don't get this morons.
		Why did I give Rush Limbaugh $300 and something thousand dollars when they were about to kick his show off?
		Because I could get advertising at half price and support the First Amendment.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I wonder which of those considerations was more important.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wait!
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if he was more important.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So I can get advertising at half price, dummies.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Also the First Amendment, whatever.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I gave him a sale on ads.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I gave him $300,000 and he gave me services in response.
		Why do you think I did that?
		Was it just a normal transaction that we all make all the time?
		Was I making a good deal?
		Yes.
		But also the First Amendment, baby.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Was it a tacit?
unidentified		All about it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Was it a tacit acknowledgement that he had a much wider audience than me?
		And I was trying to poach it.
		Maybe.
		But also the First Amendment.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Was it so I could tell him, hey, guess what?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're failing and I'm the one who's saving you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Maybe.
		Was it an ego move?
		Maybe.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Entirely possible.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		My cake eat it too.
		And I made a bunch of money for our operation.
		That's right.
		And the First Amendment propped up Rush Limbaugh and a bunch of other people did.
		Because if they could shut him down, they're going to shut us down, people.
		You hang together, you hang separate.
		Remember Benjamin Franklin?
		He's on the $100 bill.
		He launched the whole country.
		You know who he is?
		Damn, these people don't have any instincts, Milo.
		None.
		I'm not mad for me.
		We've already been demonetized.
		They already censor us on YouTube.
		It's that they're nakedly, openly saying, we're censors and we're going to shut everybody down.
		And then the public, the dumb liberals, go, oh, good.
		Shut up.
unidentified		YouTube is a private company down, you drooling morons.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Love it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Politically.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I love it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, politically.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, I mean, he's doing good.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And The true comedy of it is like Milo being on now is interesting because he fucking wouldn't touch Milo right after all the shit went down.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, but now you've got it out.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's cool.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's cold.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think I gave $300,000 to hire Milo?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Was it because I got him super cheap?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Was it because his network is taken off and he needs some juice?
		Was it because, oh, he's in a desperate position because that whole fucking lawsuit he was trying to pull against his publishers didn't work out and the Mercer stopped giving him money?
		Maybe.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Was it because I peed on him?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Entirely possible.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		First Amendment.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		First Amendment, though.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So at this point, they sort of pivot and you know, I mean, it's all like how Alex sort of deals with this fake idea that he's being censored.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He just gets mad at his normal enemies, YouTube.
unidentified		Censoring CNN.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, I've got this Wall Street Journal article.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Also, he does know that, look, the First Amendment covers what the government can do.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		A private company can still just do whatever you have to agree to their terms and conditions, which clearly state, you know, we can fuck you over if we want.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
		It's that thing that every company has.
		Like, when I used to manage a movie theater, on every ticket it was printed, we can refuse service.
		For any reason.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it's the same thing with most states.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Except for if you're black.
		And most can't do it then.
		Gay?
		In the maybe zone right now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Depends on what state.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we'll see how the Supreme Court rules before we go there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then, you know, almost every state has at-will employment where you can be fired for any reason or no reason.
		It's just what businesses do.
		To an extent, getting mad about that is like, well, you have a lot more to get mad at.
		You've got a bigger picture to look at.
		But I have this Wall Street Journal article here in front of me.
		The headline is YouTube takes aim at conspiracies propaganda.
		Conspiracy is comma propaganda.
		And I'll just read a little bit here.
		YouTube says it's planning changes to give users more context for videos promoting conspiracy theories or state-sponsored content.
		The latest effort by an internet giant to clean up its platform made criticism over its role in spreading misinformation.
		YouTube said starting Friday would label all videos coming from what it identifies as state-funded broadcasters, a category that would include even the United States' public broadcasting service, or PBS.
		The step is significant in part because YouTube has been a major conduit for RT, the Russian state news organization that U.S. intelligence officials called the Kremlin's principal international propaganda outlet.
		So I looked through this entire article.
		It doesn't say anything about censoring InfoWars.
		I think there's only one reference to Alex Jones at all in it, and it's oblique at best.
		YouTube first tweaked its search results for breaking news in October after it was criticized for surfacing conspiracy theories about a mass shooting that killed 59 people during a concert in Las Vegas.
		The change appears to have enhanced the search results for some key news events that have attracted conspiracies.
		Three days after the Las Vegas shooting in October, for instance, the fifth result for a search on YouTube about the attacks was a video titled, quote, Proof Las Vegas shooting was a false flag attack, shooter on the fourth floor.
		But on Thursday night, the results were all mainstream news sources.
		The policy hasn't always worked, though.
		On Wednesday, after a train carrying some Republican lawmakers collided with a truck, searches for GOP train crash on YouTube returned as the first result, a live stream from Alex Jones, the founder of conspiracy theory site InfoWars, as the third, and as at the third, a video titled Train Crash, Attempted Assassination of GOP Congressmembers?
		Question Mark?
		YouTube said its algorithm hadn't recognized the search quickly enough as a news-related query.
		So it's talking about, I mean, Alex Jones is referenced there, but.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because he's part of it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I think you get into dangerous territory whenever you say, like, just because you're saying stupid shit, we're going to block you or something like that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but then again, if you're spreading propaganda about how these kids are crisis actors, that's a little bit different than saying stupid shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, I agree.
		I agree.
		And I don't think that this is tantamount to I don't.
		I don't, I mean again, goes a large part of this goes to the private company aspect yeah, but I don't.
		I don't consider this some sort of racketeering, censorship that Alex Jones presents it as now.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a good question, though.
		Should certain platforms be publicly owned like, would it be a good idea if YouTube was publicly owned?
		I kind of think it would.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure right, I haven't.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I haven't sat around and thought about it enough to have an informed opinion on it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, me neither.
		I just thought of it.
		Right now, let's get into it and solve it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think it would probably create new and interesting problems.
unidentified		I don't know, I don't, because it's kind of like a.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of like a public space.
unidentified		Now no, everybody puts their shit up there, but they don't have to like.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The reason you don't have to go outside either Dan right, but the reason that electricity and telephones are, or like landlines and shit like that were deemed public utilities were because without like, if one company had monopoly over them, you wouldn't have electricity in your fucking house.
		That's different than uh hey, if you don't use youtube, you can't put your review of Black Panther up.
		That's not the same.
		Yes, is it different?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dam yes, are you sure it's very different.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How can you survive if somebody can't get a hold of you, just like with the long-distance phone call yeah, but it's just emailing you their?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's very different, yeah.
		And if Alex Jones wants to say like well, make it, if Youtube, like not letting us put stuff up, it wouldn't make it, so we can't exist as a news operation, and my response to that would be, there's so many ways you can host video online, and if you have a website where you can embed those videos and you have a good reputation and people start to like what you're doing, and it shouldn't matter if Youtube is on board with you, it doesn't.
		I mean, you're just kind of being petty.
		Uh, be that as it may.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean that's.
		That's another.
		That's another question though, is because that's the second click-through.
		You know what i'm saying.
		Like, if you're on Youtube looking for Alex Jones videos, that's very different than if you're on youtube and you see an Alex Jones video.
		Do you know what i'm saying?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes, in terms of that introduces the whole other problem of their suggestions and stuff like that right, which much has been written about, especially over at Buzzfeed there's some interesting articles you can read about the algorithms that are used to suggest videos and how they often end people end up with people going down really fucked up roads.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah uh, that lead to lots of misinformation and it seems to always be on the right that's, it always seems to be on the conservative side.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What if they just got rid of that?
unidentified		They could just do that right uh, but they wouldn't do that, of course not.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It would reduce their traffic, their overall traffic, their flick-through rates and stuff like that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, let's get to this night's game.
unidentified		Goddamn it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex Jones in this next clip is going to scream, butt CNN uh, and it's it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, they pissed on his rug.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This this, I get it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This Blubowski gets it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This borders on funny, but it's.
milo yiannopolous ▲ ● ▼		It's still not there okay, there's something weird about every major CNN host.
		I don't know where they grow, these people, but this famous, I just get that sort of fuck.
		You know when you just you're like when you're dating and somebody's really disgusting and suddenly you can never see them sexually again.
		Or when you see something on television and they just make you shudder and cringe and you get that sort of flash of disgust and fear and horror.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, why doesn't Brian Stelter?
		No, and he look at it.
		He releases these photos.
		There's nuance to talk.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That photo that they have up on screen is a picture of him at an adult swim party.
		It's just clearly like a Getty images.
		Yeah, he didn't release it, I just.
		It's just No, Hold it.
		Save it for the end of this.
		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Very angry.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We got to go on the ride.
unidentified		Okay.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Type in Brian Stelter.
		He hit Google images.
		There's one we just type it.
milo yiannopolous ▲ ● ▼		Do not.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		He looks like Get the Clown.
		I mean, he does it.
		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Still not named the clown.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And there's clowns in the popcorn.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Dueling impressions.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What is happening there?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Look at that face.
unidentified		You're on the balloon.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		The thing is, he releases these photos himself.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		This is official photos.
milo yiannopolous ▲ ● ▼		He looks like that on purpose.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		One thing that you should keep.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's more, but hold on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		One thing you need to keep in mind, and this is the true comedy of this, is Steve Pieczenik is on the phone.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wait, he's just there on the phone.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's fantastic.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He'll show up at the end of this clip.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Ah, guys, guys, I can't see the picture.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I can't join in.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's just funny to know that he's silently there this whole time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's got it on True Don't in the background.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You're a psychiatrist.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Getting a cup of coffee.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You know somebody when they've got that lunatic NARS, whatever the face is, it's like a.
		I mean, if I saw Zion in life, ha ha, I'd be like, look at my firearm.
		I mean, you know, it's like.
		I'm a total psychiatrist.
		Ryan Steldon is.
		I really like it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is creepy as fuck.
		I don't like any of this.
		I don't like any of this.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I didn't like you.
		I mean, I'm it.
		Well, that's the fake.
		That smile is.
		I'm not really showing you this.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		That's what you are.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		I really do.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I really do, Stelter.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like Alex is tickling.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Sorry.
milo yiannopolous ▲ ● ▼		Rank your three spookiest CNN hosts.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Who's number one?
unidentified		The story.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Orders on sexual harassment.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Cooper.
milo yiannopolous ▲ ● ▼		Three.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Como, just because he's a knuckle-dragging thug.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'd love to see you.
milo yiannopolous ▲ ● ▼		Don't let me need to fight.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to go back to it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		As a psychiatrist, that look on Stelter's face that he does everywhere says, I'm invincible.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm in a lunatic power trip.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Did Alex just say, ask a psychiatrist or ask.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We have the.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's asking Stelter.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		What's the rule that goes back to Goldwater?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You're not supposed to diagnose somebody from afar, but looking at Stelter, what do you make of him and his behavior?
steve pieczenik ▲ ● ▼		He's not relevant.
steve pieczenik ▲ ● ▼		I mean, people who are dangerous.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		He's not relevant.
		He looks like a serial killer.
		He uses it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're wasting my time.
steve pieczenik ▲ ● ▼		With all due respect, I've had a whole ward of serial killers.
steve pieczenik ▲ ● ▼		They're usually pretty quiet.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Steve Pieczenik here to wet blanket you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Steve Pachetic sucks, but at the same time, the way he's rude to Alex still always charms me.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's a tickle.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but unfortunately, it turns bad because here's what Steve Pieczenik says next.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, sometimes.
steve pieczenik ▲ ● ▼		Again, the Sony, the Sandy Hook and this Parkland, they're all false flags.
steve pieczenik ▲ ● ▼		And what you're looking at is the nonsense of the vestiges of the press trying to be relevant as well as the FBI and a critical.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, the FBI.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		How long does this ghost dance go on then?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Alex accepts his premise and then asks, how long does this ghost dance go on?
		So it's just like, we're at this place where he went on Owen Schroyer's Wo Room show and did a half hour on how Parkland was fake and all this shit.
		It's unacceptable.
		It's just this level of shit I don't want to deal with.
		I wish there was a sultry breeze that could just take me away, take me away to a better place.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Are you about to sultry breeze?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What's this I hear?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is this the Twin Peaks theme song?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What's this I hear in the distance?
		Is these the dulcet tones of a beautiful theme song?
		Oh, this is so soothing.
		This is not at all like the present day.
		Oh, God.
unidentified		Is this just.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It's like a.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Did you just play this song?
		Are you just playing this by yourself?
		This isn't on the show.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, it's on the show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is on the show.
		No, it's on the show.
		Oh, okay.
		You're just playing, though.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're trying to get us in a better headspace.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I've heard, actually, I don't know if you know this, but I've read some studies recently that sometimes when you're really frustrated about a right-wing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're not really going to let this happen, are you?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		When you're really going on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		When you're really frustrated about a right-wing propagandist, sometimes if you put on a soothing enough song, it allows you to time travel.
unidentified		Oh, God damn it, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Just mellow out a little bit.
unidentified		Don't you have one of those flashback songs?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, anyway, we find ourselves now time traveled back to 2006.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Two things.
		Two points, real quick.
		First off.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Let me make a point real quick.
		You're a bit killer.
		I was trying to do a bit.
		You fucking walked all over it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Look, bits are about timing down.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think my timing was spectacular.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I dragged it out a little bit long.
		I'm sorry.
		We'll workshop it.
		We'll do it on the next time travel.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		From the top.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Okay.
		Why is it that these guys are always like, oh, liberals are such, they're all triggered and all this stuff.
		And the way they describe everybody's appearance is like, it makes me shudder and cringe.
		That's it?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, all it takes is Brian Stelter to make you curl up into a ball like a little titty baby.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's what these people are.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This sounds interesting, but since I am in 2006 right now, I have no idea who Brian Stelter is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He was just a twinkle in his father's eye.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He was certainly not on CNN back then.
		There's a method to my madness.
		Yes.
		We're now in 2006.
		Don't make me.
unidentified		Boom, boom.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hello out, baby.
		So we're now back in 2006 for a very specific reason.
		Because in 2006, for whatever reason, David Lynch went on InfoWars.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's why you played it.
		Very nice.
		Let's do this.
		Let's do this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I can't believe you didn't.
unidentified		David Lynch.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I didn't let that happen.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		David Lynch.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean I didn't let that happen?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That would have been so fucking smooth if you hadn't gone back to Brian Stelter.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, then let's edit this and we'll go.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So in 2006, David Lynch was putting out Inland Empire, and he also had a book that he was putting out.
		And I don't, I never will understand why anybody accepts an invitation from Alex to come on because you kind of have to know that there's a reason.
		Like if you're going on and you're not one of the whack pack, you know, like the Steve Pachetics, the Matt Brackens, these type of guys, the Gerald Salentis, the Lionels.
		Like if you're not one of these guys and he's calling you, like if you're David Rothschild and he's like, you want to come on, you got to know there's an agenda.
		And David Lynch doesn't, I don't think he realizes that there's an agenda to why Alex wants to have him on.
		And you could never know what this agenda is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's surprising.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There are people who come on and have their own agenda that take over.
		Like Christopher Watkin.
		He wanted to tell him what they were cooking.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's interesting.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And then he naps a lot.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's interesting that you bring that up because generally, whenever Alex does something like this, you end up with the world's worst interview.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he's a terrible interview.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because you have Alex who has his agenda that he's pushing for, and then this guest who has their agenda, and they're working across purposes.
		They can't ever get quite on the same page.
		And quite frankly, the guest is right.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because they're clearly told beforehand, you can come on to promote your X, Y, Z.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's a promotion.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's what those interviews with those outlets are.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I'll accept some questions and what have you, but I'm here to talk about my book.
		David Rothschild even said as much.
		I'm here to talk about my book and the Live Earth concert.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You get a couple of questions that are like, hey, what are you about to do?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And then your next question is, so you got a new movie coming out.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So let's see how this all goes.
		Here's the introduction.
		And I'll say this: I think Alex does actually seem like he's a fan.
		Okay.
		I think he is a Lynch fan.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Welcome, ladies and gentlemen.
		We got about 24 minutes left in this broadcast today, and I'm really honored to have an amazing director and writer on with us.
		I'm a fan of so many of his films.
		The Elephant Man, Eraser Head, the TV show, Twin Peaks, Blue Velvet, Lost Highway.
		It goes on and on.
		I even like Dune.
		What an epic film there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Great movie.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And it's a prolific individual.
		He's got a new movie coming out.
		He was just screening it here in Austin.
		He has a signing at Barnes and Noble's today in North Austin.
		We'll tell you about that.
		We have links to it up on InfoWars.com right now.
		And, you know, he's also made headlines with some of his statements in politics lately.
		He is David Lynch, and the new film coming out is Inland Empire.
		Mr. Lynch, it's a real honor to be able to speak with you.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		Good to talk to you, Alex.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		What the fuck?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's time.
		He's listing credits.
		He likes Dune.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I even like Dune.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I even like Dune.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it does seem like, I mean, whenever he has someone on, Justin.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So, wait a second.
unidentified		Are you telling me that Lost Highway was about OJ?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We're going to talk OJ?
unidentified		Hold on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We're totally going to talk OJ, aren't we?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex has some theories about Lost Highway.
		He wants to run by Lynch, but that's in a little bit.
		All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm excited.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I didn't know we were just going to get to talk Lynch.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, before we get to that, Alex really wants to know what Inland Empire is about.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And David Lynch.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Eventually, Sandy Hook will happen and it will be a false flag.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And also, when in Twin Peaks, I don't understand Twin Peaks.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What was going on with Lynch?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		What was going on?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Who was Bob?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What was who?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Wait.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Was that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What was up with that midget?
		Was that the same guy?
		So Alex really wants to know right off the bat what Inland Empire is about.
		And David Lynch, I'm not surprised by this, isn't thrilled with that sort of question.
		So they kind of butt-heads a tiny bit.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Tell us about Inland Empire.
		I haven't gotten a chance to see it yet.
		Tell us about the film.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		Well, all I say about it is it's a story of a woman in trouble.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And I'm told it's like quite a few of your films.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It's pretty complex.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, Alex, I love stories, and particularly stories that are at one level concrete stories, but that hold abstractions.
		And abstractions are things that cinema can say, things that are, you know, we experience in life, but cinema can say them.
		So it's an experience that may be difficult to put into words, but cinema can say it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Wait for Alex to come in stupid questions.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		You think it.
		And it's a beautiful language of film.
		And so I would say Inland Empire holds some of this.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I mean, how would you describe it, though?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if you could say there's a plot to this David Lynch film, I'm just present synopsis of it, and it's getting obviously rave reviews.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What Alex is saying there is, my audience is stupid.
unidentified		Please just fucking tell them it's about like a guy who wants to do a thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right, that's great.
		There's a lot of music and poetry to film, and I understand where you're coming from.
		I too have abstract feelings inside my heart that I need to express.
		At the same time, I have to deal with reality, and I think you mixed the two together.
		But seriously, what the fuck is the movie about?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You were getting into a little your impression drifted to Ventura.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I know, it didn't get the New York Times, Austin American Statesman in front of me.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I mean, for those that, I mean, to give them some handle, discrete basics with Inland Empire.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, Alex, bless your heart, man.
		It's a story of a woman in trouble.
		And that's it.
		You know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he's not going to get that plot synopsis.
		I think in that clip there, we see the first indication of two men not seeing eye to eye on what conversation is.
		Because a decent interviewer would have heard that Lynch's answer and maybe asked a question about film, you know, or would have like a follow-up on that, that sort of thing.
		And Alex is like, please tell me the plot.
		It's not good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Give me a book report.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because there's nowhere to go from that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going to watch this movie.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Your guest has already indicated, I'm not interested in telling the plot of this.
		You know, there's intricate.
		And so, like, your next question is like, you're just going for another lap around the same thing.
		And then David Lynch explains, like, you know, I like to go into a movie not knowing too much because then you enter a world and it opens in front of you.
unidentified		Blah, That sounds like a Lynchian thing to say.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So then at this point, Alex pitches his theory about Lost Highway, which I'm intrigued that you called out.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Now, I've got to ask you this question, and we'll get back into Inland Empire and some of the other things you're doing in your new book.
		But Lost Highway, I mean, I have my own interpretation of it.
		And, you know, basically like an alternate reality or a total hallucination, somebody who's insane.
		I mean, any comments from the director on Lost Island?
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I've been saying looking back on Lost Highway, I wrote this screenplay with Barry Gifford.
		He and I wrote the screenplay together.
		And we never really talked about this, but it was at a time when the O.J. Simpson trial was going on.
		And, you know, similar things with the character Fred Madison.
		How a human being can do a thing that is so horrible and keep on living and smiling as O.J.'s playing golf.
		So there is a thing that we've discovered a psychogenic fugue where the mind tricks itself to hide the horror of something done.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		That's what I thought.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		In fact, I was arguing with some of my staff last night, and they were saying it was one thing, and I was saying, no, it's two different personalities.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's not quite what you thought.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		In fact, that's the complete opposite of what he just tried to explain to you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and Alex heard psychogenic fugue and got the word wrong.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's going to lead to a very weird end of the sentence that he's embarked on here.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's, you know, I won't say anymore, but the thing is that more often than not, well, in the long run, nothing stays hidden.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		So there you go.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm having a psychogenic feud right now because I want to get you on about all these great subjects, and I'm such a big fan.
		And I'm having a psychogenic.
		I'm not five answers on board, Mr. Lynch, because I'm trying to control myself and be honorable.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, good for you, Alex.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Fake laugh.
		Oh, man.
		Okay.
		Tell us about the new book, sir.
		That's bad.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm having a psychogenic feud because I want to be honorable.
		Good for you, Alex.
		Yeah.
		Tell me about your book.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What does a psychogenic feud look like?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's him struggling right there when he's laughing and all that shit.
		It's the two parts of him that's like, I love this guy because I think he is a fan.
		Yeah.
		I think it feels like he is a David Lynch fan.
		But at the same time, there's something he wants to ask him, and he can't directly ask him.
		That's the feud that's inside Alex.
		There's something that, like, he's hoping he can just.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Did you start the Iraq war?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He wants to find the pivot point that'll get him to the topic that he wants the interview to be about.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so far, it's kind of about creativity.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		For real, what is Dune about?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he's like, at this point, Alex sort of retreats.
		It's probably a metaphor.
		At this point, Alex retreats and is like, all right, you came on to talk about your book.
		Let me ask you about your book.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Tell us about the new book, sir.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		Well, the new book is called Catching the Big Fish, Meditation, Consciousness, and Creativity.
		And it's a book, you know, about my 33 years of meditation and how it works with catching ideas because I say in there that, you know, ideas are like fish, and we can catch these ideas.
		And if we can expand the container of consciousness, we can catch ideas on a deeper and deeper level.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		See if Alex has a good follow-up for this.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to keep creativity flowing by learning how to get to the bottom and contacting that unbounded, infinite ocean inside every human being.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		And it feeds the creativity and it feeds the joy of doing things.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I agree.
		In fact, you're a prolific guy.
		I mean, you're working hard.
		I mean, on this multifaceted tour right now, just shifting gears, talking about things in your subconscious.
		In Twin Peaks, the owls.
		The owls are omens of evil.
		The owls, the owls.
		In more Western or Greek mythology, it's wisdom or the guardian of the high places.
		But in Native American, it's a harbinger of evil and destruction.
		Why did you, why are the owls these totems of wickedness in your Twin Peaks?
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		Mostly that came from Mark Frost.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		So I don't really know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Okay, great.
unidentified		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So that was a follow-up that I couldn't.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Was that like a stealth.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You a Native American?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, maybe.
		Or like...
		Is this some sort of pagan shit?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		Because it's a non-sequitur to him talking about his book, which, spoiler alert, his book is just pimping Transcendental Meditation.
		Yeah.
		And I have some bad news about Transcendental Meditation.
unidentified		It works?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a cult.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Oh, it's a giant, giant, I would say bordering on.
		I think it's like.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wasn't the guy who popularized it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He was definitely arrested for rape charges, I believe.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know about that.
		I don't know a whole lot about his personal history.
		And I don't really.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's not great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it's, well, I mean, I'm sure it's terrible, but I don't think it's relevant to, like, the David Lynch appearance here, nor the nature of transcendental meditation and the TM and what have you.
		I would describe it kind of as it being on par with Scientology, just without the horror stories, the public horror stories, without the history of black male and private investigators.
		It's some really crazy stuff once you start to look into it.
		I think it's a pretty generally evil thing that is kind of van, actually.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I blackmailed Mark Frost into becoming a pagan ritual man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to jump in half-cocked on this, but like, Quite frankly, transcendental meditation, I believe, from all the research that I've done into it and looking into it, I think what they do is they take something very positive, that is meditation, and they've made a very dangerous cult around it.
		So you have the positive benefits that you achieve through meditation, and by gradual indoctrination, you associate them with this group.
		And I don't know.
		I've read a bunch of stuff about the practices that they have.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, when you get into traditional meditation and start going into autobiography of a yogi and floating and being situated and all of that shit, and you're like, ah, okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So from I'll just go ahead and jump into the TM stuff.
		Might as well.
		We've already broached the subject.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Trademark.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The basis of Transcendental Meditation and the sort of selling point of it, what David Lynch is going to get into a little bit here on this episode, and everybody does who sells this.
		People like Jim Carey.
		The list of celebrity practitioners of TM is like, it's a mile long.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Got to meditate.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And meditation is good.
		It's really good for you.
		It's very helpful.
		But they claim, and the hook is that it's a relaxation-based thing.
		And that's how you open the door.
unidentified		But you have to get in.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You have to pay for classes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And generally speaking, they're about $1,000 or more.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Really?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Unless you get them through your school.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because a lot of schools have meditation programs that are done through Transcendental Meditation.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I did not know that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And they do those.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The students don't really have to pay for those, but of course not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Are my tax dollars going to subsidize Transcendental Meditation, Dan?
unidentified		I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I imagine most of it's done in private schools because it is a little, I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I haven't done it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's a little hippy-dippy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I haven't done enough research into that to say where the schools are that are doing it, but I'm a little uncomfortable with it because of its branding.
		Were it just teaching kids meditation, I'd be totally into that.
		I think that's a very, very positive thing.
		In the school of transcendental meditation, though, once you pay for these classes, you undergo a ritual called the puja.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't like rituals.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		At the end of which, you're given a mantra that's supposed to be your personal mantra.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And the idea of it is sort of that if you tell anyone what your mantra is, then it stops working, which is a way that they.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That way they can just give out the same mantra to whomever.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God, these people are so stupid.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And because of the nature of this puja ceremony, they're trying to present this idea that they're creating a personalized mantra for you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it's leaked since documents that show how they choose the mantras, and it's based on your age.
		That's the only thing that it's based on.
		And so they get around that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They can't even do any cold reading.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, that's a little disappointing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, even a good con man along those lines can do some cold reading.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I imagine there's a little bit of intuitive stuff, like seeing if you're falling for this and that sort of thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The need to push harder or if you're going along.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		People who have been trained.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Your mantra is Charles Manson.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Charles Manson is your mantra.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's the interesting thing.
		So the mantra thing is arbitrary.
		It's just words.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What is your mantra?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, I actually have fooled around with this a little bit in the past.
		And I can speak to its effectiveness, let's say.
		So I found a video years ago from a guy who used to be a teacher of Transcendental Meditation who had left the group and was sort of speaking out against the sort of more dangerous practices of how it is essentially like the puja ritual that you go in is it's basically inducting a trance.
		It's putting you in a trance-like state, giving you this mantra, and then there's a bunch of follow-up shit.
		You have these sessions that you have to go to so they check if you're doing it right and those sorts of things.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They hit your knee with the reflex hammer and do the whole thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		All those things are reinforcing of that trance state and teaching you to get into the trance state yourself.
		The mantra that they give you is super unimportant.
		It's just the act of repeating this thing.
		And so the guy was explaining.
unidentified		It's like Ohm.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the guy was explaining that all you have to do is basically choose a slightly long thing that doesn't really have a necessary meaning to it because if it's words that have too much of a meaning, your brain will think about the meaning.
		And so I came up with something and I tried it.
		And if you do put in a good 20 minutes, half hour, a couple times doing that, I did reach some sort of a state that I would describe as altered.
		My body felt entirely different.
		My brain felt like I was going to a different place.
		It was incredibly powerful.
		It felt great.
		Especially devoid of the teachings of transcendental meditation.
unidentified		Right, right, right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Outside of their grasps or whatever.
		I think the method of inducing a trance in yourself is pretty effective from my admittedly limited exploration of it.
		But now, if you were doing that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I fucked around with some Zen Buddhism in the past.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And the difference is with Zen Buddhism, you just kind of get there and you shut the fuck up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And you try and get your brain to shut the fuck up.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's pretty much it.
		There's a hundred schools of meditation and none are better than any other.
		They're all just different routes to quietness or whatever.
		But the state that I got in, I imagine achieving that state in the presence of people who are trained to induce that state, I think it would be an incredibly vulnerable thing.
		And it scares the shit out of me the idea that this millions of dollar organization that charges people tons of money and has a bunch of celebrities pimping it is sort of based around that.
		Like the reports that I've read of these ceremonies are like they're manipulative as fuck.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like the essential pieces.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Still selling a religion.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The essential pieces of it are basically you undergoing ritualized things where the instructor tells you to do things, which is tacitly you submitting to them.
		Then you get put in a trance state.
		You're taught this mantra.
		And then you're able to retrance yourself.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I don't think.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is that any worse than a church giving you the Holy Ghost?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that usually...
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's something of it.
		They've studied that.
		That's something of a trance state.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that's – not from my experience with churches.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, of course not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But neither of us are.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If you have those really wildly evangelical churches with the touching of hands and stuff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Pentecostals and all those guys.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a lot of those do also, you know, through the chanting and the jumping around, what they try and do is make you lose your breath a little bit.
		There are those that are very similar, yes.
		But we're not talking about them today because they aren't the guest on Infowars.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fair enough.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Fair enough.
		So the issue that you come to is that the deeper you get into it, the more that sort of gets revealed to you.
		The idea that it's relaxation and clearing your head and creativity sort of fades away.
		And in the later stages, if you keep going, you end up learning all kinds of things about spiritual purity, moral perfection, getting in touch with the cosmic consciousness.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't like that part.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And eventually there are weekend retreats that explain communing with the God consciousness.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Personalized deities you can get in touch with, which is really fucked up considering they're charging tons of money for all of it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't like anything that's eventually like, oh man, you're going to reach the next level.
		If you just give us more money, you're going to get to reach the next level.
		Speaking of which, you can become a policy wonk.
unidentified		You can go time travel level.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I think that you can use the techniques that Transcendental Meditation teaches as a conduit to good meditation.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I sincerely think that's the case.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I think outside of the church, because it is a fucking church.
		I think that you can do that.
		But I have some very serious misgivings about Transcendental Meditation as an organization.
		And then further, I think that you have to be very careful with this sort of method of inducing a trance for meditation because there is a slight dissociation that comes along with it.
		And again, I can speak to that in terms of the experience that I had when I was using these techniques.
		There was a sense of detachment from my body and detachment from my brain.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you had to go to rehab to get off those techniques.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't that full, but I do worry, like, there are tons and tons of stories of people who have had psychotic breaks and stuff like that from using these techniques because of the implicit dissociation.
		It can reinforce dangerous ideas that you may have about things not being real and that sort of thing.
		There's hundreds of stories you can find about people who had to go, basically did have to go to rehab or were hospitalized.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They meditated too hard.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		Because again, I did not know you could do that.
		It's dissociation and trance stuff which can exacerbate underlying conditions that you may have.
		It's not something that should be undertaken lightly.
		And I don't know that, from what I can find, I don't think that the Transcendental Meditation organization is careful enough with the power of the techniques they use.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Did not realize that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So check with your doctor before you meditate to see if you're healthy enough for an active sex life.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think no matter what, I think everyone.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If meditation lasts longer than four hours, then that's pretty long.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's tantric at that point.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's too much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think, though, if you're just doing mindfulness meditation or something like that, real basic stuff, you're in the clear.
		I think you're fine.
		But other techniques.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Once you get into the God consciousness, then you're fucked.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		It can be a little much.
		And again, I think it would be the same thing with, you know, if you look at almost any culture's yogic practices.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know, I think you do end up with the whirling dervishes and shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They do dissociate to a certain extent by spinning.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		A lot of cultures have that the idea of the communion with God implicit within it is dissociation from yourself.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And that's not always, I don't know, I'm walking a fine line here.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, let's the real bottom of it is ultimately consciousness sucks, and you want to try and take a break from it.
		Some people do drugs, some people meditate, some people do the church thing.
		Everybody realizes implicitly at the very base level, being aware sucks.
		Like, don't you wish you were unaware?
		Don't you wish you weren't?
		I think just a bundle of instincts and love.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're using, I think, aware is the wrong word.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Self-aware.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think it's more, are you tired of being yourself?
		Or do you want a little break from normal whatever?
		Right.
		Anyway, I just think it's interesting That like often Alex Jones is our villain.
		And to me, I think David Lynch is a little bit more of a villain because he has the David Lynch foundation through Transcendental Meditation.
		And he's selling a book.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I thought it was because he casted Kyle McLaughlin with Paul Atreides, and that should never have happened.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Look, it's, I don't, I look, I don't want to get into casting decisions.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All I'm saying is Patrick Stewart wasn't the right casting choice there either.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's very frustrating.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I love Sherilyn Finn.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What else?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		She's pretty great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But he's on here to pimp this book, Catching the Big Fish.
		And that's just a book that is extolling the virtues of transcendental meditation that automatically, I mean, any of these books that are about transcendental meditation don't tell you the techniques or anything like that.
		Well, you can't.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You have to go to the classes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's part of it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're not going to give that shit out for free.
unidentified		Of course not.
unidentified		Lynch had to pay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You lose $1,000 to each person.
		The people who are the teachers, they have to sign an oath that includes the following passage.
		I acknowledge that prior to receiving the training, I had no prior knowledge of such a system of teaching, that there is no other available source where the knowledge of such teaching may be obtained.
		That such training is secret and unique.
		I am a link in the chain of organizations that you have founded, and that to retain the purity of the teaching and movement, you have laid down the wise rule that should I ever cease to teach Atman fill-in-the-blank organization or any other organization founded by you for the purpose of teaching transcendental meditation, I may be restrained by appropriate process from using the secret teaching of transcendental meditation imparted to me.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's an appropriate process.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's probably the law.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the way I read that is that's an implied gag order.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You can't copyright transcendental meditation, can you?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The techniques, I think that's what that means.
		You can patent the techniques that the oath is essentially a contract where you're like, I won't, I respect that this is secret and unique.
		And if I ever leave, I wouldn't tell these secrets to people.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but it's like the iTunes terms and conditions.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You just agree to it, and then you move on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think it's like a differently worded non-disclosure agreement.
		Yeah, pretty much.
		I think that a lot of people maybe have held to it.
		But at this point now, in 2018, plenty of people have come out and explained exactly what is going on.
		But David Lynch's book, The Catching a Big Fish, is not going to be like, here's the techniques you can use.
		At the end of it, it's going to be check out the Transcendental Meditation workshop near you.
unidentified		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or whatever.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's a big ad.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so is his appearance here on Infowars.
unidentified		Alex is like, you think I spent $100,000 getting David Lynch on here?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But so we now kind of have established what David Lynch's goal is.
		He wants to talk about this.
		He wants to talk about his book that is selling Transcendental Meditation.
		But Alex still has a different goal that we haven't established yet, that he has been butting his head up against the wall with stupid questions that have nothing to do with what David Lynch just said.
		And I don't know.
		I don't think he gets to the point in this next clip, but I don't know.
		Let's see.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		Evil is a strange thing to think about.
		There's plenty of it, especially just on the surface of our world.
		And it all is in a ball with negativity.
		And negativity is dark, black cloud.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be negative.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		We all got a bunch of negativity and stresses and all kinds of things floating in us.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		And we got a big cloud of things.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I like things floating in me.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		And if you want to blow that negativity away, all you have to do is learn to dive within and ramp up that light up unity inside everyone.
		You grow that light up, and the side effect of that is negativity starts to recede.
		The key to enlightenment, the full potential of the human being is there, and the key to peace on earth is there.
		It's very, very beautiful.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Mr. Lynch, we're speaking with legendary director and writer David Lynch.
		Earlier, you talked about how in Lost Highway you were kind of paralleling, in a way, OJ and how you live a normal life and then be involved in other things that aren't so positive.
		Any of your latest films or works, is there any archetypal images that in your mind are representing things happening in the world with the war in Iraq or politics or the Patriot Act?
unidentified		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Just direct.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So again, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Again, Lynch is going off on this, like, you know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You can see the oceans through your stars, whatever.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right, but again, but again, the language that he's using is specifically advocating the benefits of transcendental meditation will be the same.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's the key to peace on the art on earth.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No big deal if you don't transcendentally meditate.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All I'm saying is that you're the reason wars happen.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		No big deal.
		So instead of asking a follow-up question to that, because I think Alex realizes, like, I don't know, this is a little weird.
		He instead goes to the.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It seemed like he was really close to being like, stop talking about this homo shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, so at this point, Alex is like, I'm going to just fucking come out with it and ask you the question I want to fucking ask.
		Tell me about the war.
		He's like dipping his toe in.
unidentified		He's being like, can you bring this up?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it's in your films.
		Maybe it's in your book.
		Come on, let's mix it up on the IRAC one.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, you'll see on the other side of this clip that David Lynch knows what Alex wants to ask him.
		Alex keeps being like, I want you to bring this up.
		I don't want to be an asshole.
		You bring this up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But sooner or later, I'm going to be an asshole, David.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And here's where.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		No.
		You know, they say that all kinds of art reflects our world.
		And I think that ideas come out of our feeling the world and hearing and seeing things.
		But the ideas themselves that I get are separate.
		Talk talkers.
		They don't show a message.
		They're not made to do anything.
		It's just ideas that you get, you fall in love with them.
		And you see the way cinema, for instance, could translate those ideas.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So here, David Lynch has explained creativity to Alex and the creative.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's done a fairly good job so far.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now let's see what happens.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		And then you're rolling.
		And a whole thing comes out.
		And only later, as more and more of it comes out, do you see a theme or do you see a thing, you know, like that?
		But you don't set out to tell a message.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		No, you don't.
		My listenership will crucify me if I don't at least mention the Dutch TV interview that you did and you commented on the film Loose Change.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Now we're getting into it.
		Why was it?
		Wait, he commented on the film Loose Change?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he went on Dutch Change.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Also, it's not a film.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He went on Dutch television and the interviewer asked him about Loose Change.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		Why did that happen?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		It's very weird.
		But he's sitting there and he's like, yeah, I have a lot of questions about 9-11.
		And so he talks about.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He talks about in this Dutch.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So we're doing 9-11 Trutherism.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, not really.
		Alex is.
		David Lynch is just confused.
		So on the.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Where is New York?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't say anything.
		In the clip I watched of this interview, he doesn't say anything negative about Loose Change.
		He doesn't say anything that's to say they're right about their conclusions.
		Right.
		That these sorts of questions make you look at what you think you experienced in a different way.
		And I have questions that I don't understand.
		Like the Pentagon, the hole in the building is too small for a plane.
		I don't understand what happened there.
		These questions haven't been answered.
		And then the host is like, what about the ideas that the government did this?
		And he's like, those sorts of ideas are too big for people to think about.
		Like, your brain can't handle those sorts of ideas.
		Right.
		He's implying the ramification.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But Kyle McLaughlin turning into Bill Pullman.
		That's easy.
		That's easy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Alex wants, the whole thing is like, I want to talk 9-11 with you, bro.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's all he wanted to get to.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Now that I go back and think about it, I don't think Alex gave him the Mulhall and Drive credit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think he did.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Alex doesn't like Mulhaul and Drive.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's what you took away from me.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is the only thing that I can think about now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He also didn't reference Firewalk with me.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, but nobody needs to do that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So anyway, this leads to the two of them talking about 9-11 a little bit.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		And you commented on the film Loose Change, second edition, and what happened with the towers, and just said people can't deal with that.
		Why did you even bring that up?
		Or did you know they were going to bring that up?
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		You know, I knew they were going to bring it up.
		And so, you know, you saw what I said.
		You know, we're all, you know, light detectives.
		Human beings are like detectives.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like detectives.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Or like we.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		See, now, even from context clues, I can't figure out if he was saying light detectives or we are similar to detectives.
		I have no idea.
		It's within character to say either.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Immediately after Transcendental Meditation talk?
		Sure.
		We're all light detectives.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's going to talk about light and darkness and about how the answer to darkness is adding more light.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I do think he might be saying we're light detectives.
unidentified		Possible.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		Look at our world and we keep looking at it.
		And we get these feelings that there's more going on than meets the eye.
		And, you know, this is a world of clues, a world of mystery, but the mystery can get, you know, can get solved.
		And, you know, but you can find these answers for, you know, a lot of these things within.
		As far as 9-11 goes, there's, you know, find it within.
		There's things that, you know, we saw that conjure questions and wondering, and something doesn't seem quite right.
		So it makes us wonder.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And then why was JFW?
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		We need answers.
		We need answers.
		That's all.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, I certainly agree with you.
		You know, two months before 9-11, I'm sending you a video clip of it.
		In fact, we ought to go post it on your website.
		We should talk about your website.
		You've got a lot of arguments.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Here he's just trying to brag that he predicted 9-11.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		He has a lot of perspectives on 9-11 that you're allowing folks to submit and post there.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We've got a link to your site up on InfoWars.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Keep in mind this is 2000.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Now, and we'll give out that web address before you leave us at any other sites that you think are important, Mr. Lynch.
		But, you know, the establishment told us, or an arm of it, that this is a foundational event.
		And now we've got Newt Gingrich talking about open martial law and the end of free speech in America.
		So it's literally survival of my country to expose this.
		And I did have to do it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're going to support Newt Gingrich in 12 years.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Talk about what was going to happen two months before it took place because I saw preparatory actions in the media.
		And so that's why I am compelled to do what I do, Exposing what happened on that date.
		I mean, you say you have questions.
		What are a few of the questions that you have concerning 9-11?
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		I have the same questions that were brought up and all the things you mentioned, and I just don't have the answers.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, David Lynch is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a very good answer.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, David Lynch's position about this 9-11 trutherism is that, like, yeah, there's a lot of really weird stuff, but the explanations given.
		I mean, I think this is what he's saying, because in Loose Change and in any of these 9-11 documentaries that you're going to watch, documentaries and quotes, what you're going to find is you're going to find answers.
		You know what I mean?
		They provide an answer.
		And if you are David Lynch and you have watched these films and you're coming away from it saying, like, I got questions about a lot of this stuff, and you don't have answers, that means you're rejecting the answers that are given in the documentary.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So there's an implied piece of it that he's like, this is unsatisfactory as an explanation for me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I still am not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't like what they said.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't like what you said.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't fucking know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why isn't anybody just telling me?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And you know what?
		I think that, especially as we are people who do a podcast about a propagandist conspiracy theorist, I think that there is a pressure to have an answer.
		And I appreciate David Lynch coming on here and being like, I don't have the answers because I don't either.
		I don't think.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Where do you fall on 9-11?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think we need to have an answer to that question.
		I have no idea.
		I have no idea.
		There's a lot of weird stuff.
		A lot of weird things.
		I'm like David Lynch.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		I got questions.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't have answers.
		Fucking ask me that question.
		How dare you?
		I know that Loose Change is a shit documentary, though.
		I got that answer.
		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a good one.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a good answer.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Check out their bibliography.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, actually, because it wasn't Alex Jones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's all just Ask Jeeves links.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Alex Jones didn't make that.
		He just produced it.
		So they might actually have an article.
		Who cares?
		Anyway, the idea that Lynch is saying, I have questions, not answers, leads into this, which I think is fanciful bullshit.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		In the Dutch piece, you mentioned how the towers fell at the speed of, one of them fell at the speed of gravity, which every engineer that's looked at it says is impossible unless there were controlled demolitions.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		I understand, Alex.
		You know, there's questions arising from each of the events that day, and I don't have the answers.
		I just have the, you know.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Is it your instinct?
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		Instinct means I'm hungry.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		I want to eat.
unidentified		I think that's what I'm saying.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		Intuition is the thing.
		Intuition is higher than intellect.
		It's emotion.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes, intuition.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate what you're saying.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		I don't say when you learn to dive within, which is so beautiful an experience, a human, human experience.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, then you understand 9-11.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		You don't contact the ocean of knowingness, pure, vibrant consciousness, knowingness.
		Intuition grows.
		Intuition is like, it's an ocean of solutions.
		And you get that knowingness going, you know, it's got to be all artistic processes and all creative processes.
		Nothing we do as man.
		It doesn't, you know, start with, it starts with an idea.
		Catching those ideas and seeing a way, a knowing a way to translate that, to make something, and make it feel correct based on the idea.
		And, you know, it just goes like that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		At this point, I think what he's essentially pushing is 9-11 is solvable through transcendental meditation.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm pretty sure that's what he's saying.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let's finish this clip, but I think I'm 99% sure that's what he's telling Alice.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So he's saying that if That's a weird thing for him to say.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a weird claim for him to make, considering he doesn't have any answers.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, your answers can only be found within.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but he's obviously transcendentally meditating all the time.
		He's chilling for it.
		So he should know what happened on 9-11.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But he hasn't reached complete enlightenment yet.
		You understand?
		That's where the 9-11 questions are.
		That's where the answers are.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's what we should do.
		That's our religion.
		Our religion is: once you get to a certain level, we tell you about 9-11.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if you donate $100 a month, we'll tell you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You can't wait to hear the audio drop for that one.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you that right now.
		I think that there is a piece of this that is self-contradictory that you just brought up, which is that idea that the answers are within.
		I am one of the world's most leading transcendental meditators, and I'm telling you I don't have answers, which leads me to believe just using A then B, B then C, A then C sort of argument, you don't.
		The answers aren't within.
		I think that's what I'm going to take away from.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're within Saudi Arabia.
unidentified		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		23 pages ridiculous.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		There's an intuition going when we see things.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, also, we know that only 2 or 3% of our intellect is focused in the cerebral cortex, so the more powerful centers of the brain really already know the answer.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But like you said in that Dutch interview, people can't handle what their intellect is telling them at the conscious level.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, there's what did you just say in the beginning?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was just saying that the cerebral cortex.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		Let me just tell you one thing about that brain of ours.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		They say we only use 5 or 10% of it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Nobody says that.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		But now with brain research, they can show you that when you transcend, when you really experience the deepest level of life, the full brain is engaged.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		And it's the only experience that brings the whole brain into cohesion.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Oh, this is amazing.
		I totally agree with you.
		I call it super brainstorming.
		Do it every day.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		Thinking doesn't do it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, stay there.
		Tell us more about it in the final segment.
		Quick break.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Alex thinks that super brainstorming is what he's talking about.
		But because David Lynch hasn't used specific language that's really going to set off the buzzers in Alex Jones' head, he's allowing David Lynch.
		Like what he said there, like transcending allows you to use all of your brain.
		Sure.
		These are just TM talking points.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like the movie Lucy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		These are TM talking points.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Scarlett Johansson was great in that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's trying to indoctrinate Alex's audience.
		He's trying to use this appearance.
		But that's.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's seducing them away from Christ.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's what David Lynch is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's why David Lynch went on InfoWars.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In fairness, that's not off-brand for him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He kind of does that in almost every interview.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm for it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I'm not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm not for the transcendental meditation part.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But seducing Alex's audience?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Every one of them.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So anyway, they end this here with Alex being like, oh, yeah, I do that all the time.
		He's like, no, no, no, no, you're thinking.
		That's not what I'm talking about.
		And so Alex is like, on the other side of this brain.
unidentified		Alex, I don't think you've understood a word I've said this entire interview.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You haven't been listening.
		Yeah.
		So they come back from break, and then at this point, it just sort of turns into a sales pitch for transcendental meditation.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Are we going to a fucking ad pivot?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		A Lynchian ad pivot.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we're going to a Lynchian ad pivot.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Again, our guest, sir, finishing up with what you were saying about using more specials.
		You know, turning, I guess, your intellect on or your soul on.
		I mean, describe exactly what you're getting at.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, Alex, it's something we just don't hear so much about in the West.
		There's so much misunderstanding about meditation.
		There's so many different kinds of meditation, but there truly is a within.
		And if you think about it, so many sentences we've heard have the word within, within, within, within the sense.
		The kingdom of heaven.
		First, seek the kingdom of heaven which lies within, and all else will be added unto you.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So the sleeper must awaken?
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		The sleeper must awaken.
		And you can awaken it by experiencing that deepest level, the kingdom of heaven.
		Within.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We were talking during the break, and I was saying 9-11, I think, is the key to exposing this whole agenda.
		You're saying that's the surface.
		I guess we've got to change our...
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		There's so many problems on the surface, Alex.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm not talking about 9-11.
unidentified		Enliveness is not going to get a unified field of quantum physics.
unidentified		I just want him to say that 9-11 is going to be the self.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		That's all he wants.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		Know thyself.
unidentified		What a starfight.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, people should get conscious.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They should be exposed.
unidentified		Sure.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		Believe me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure.
		So, yeah, that's all Alex wants.
		He has his goals.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't want the Christopher Walking interview to rehappen and for him to just randomly be like, we cooked, I love this salad.
		9-11 was an inside job.
		And these tomatoes that he made, fucking incredible.
		He put salt, pepper on them.
		He really got some butter in there.
		He kind of baked it a little bit.
		9-11 was an inside job.
		I made the chicken.
		We also had steak because we're, hey, we're very rich actors.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think Watkins' crazy like a fox enough to not do that.
		Like, he would probably, I imagine he would be in the middle of talking about that salad they were making.
		Alex asks about 9-11, and then he'd say something crazy and walk away.
		Just knowing that if I'm off camera, he won't know that I'm not here.
		Like, do the continental stairwalk move where he just gets the weapon of choice video.
		He just starts dancing or something.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, hey, that guy's crazy.
		Oh, I didn't want to talk to him about that.
		But David Lynch, like, to his credit, I think he knows that, like, I'm not going to talk 9-11 with you.
		I'm going to use your questions and your repeated badgering as a way for me to sell transcendental meditation more as a way to, like, hey, 9-11's just one of the problems on this physical realm's surface, when in reality, all religions have been talking about the within that only we can really give you access to.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Which is why I worship volcanoes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's where the within comes without.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So here's the last clip that takes us out of the interview.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And again, it's just more Lynch shilling for TM.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would say that not just getting to a higher level, the general public's almost mesmerized by the culture and not even awake at a basic level.
		But then why did you go public and question powerfully?
		And I commend you to Christian.
		We're talking during the break.
		We were telling more people need to go public.
		Why did you go public then?
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		Because, you know, they asked me questions.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		You know, when you see that, does it make you wonder about things?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Does it seem to be a different person?
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		It just makes me wonder.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		I see things that don't add up.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, you mentioned some key points.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You mentioned some key points.
unidentified		Also, the Dutch weren't the producers of the film.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You had the courage to speak out.
		What about Bush mashing 44,000 U.S. troops into Zhikestan and Uzbekistan, having to launch word of Chinese speakers there on his desk two days before?
		That was in Newsweek.
		I mean, how obvious does it have to get?
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		Here's the deal.
		There's so many problems in our world.
		So much negativity.
		Don't worry about the darkness.
		Turn on the light.
		Darkness automatically goes.
		Ramp up the light of unity within.
		Help do that for yourself.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So should the bombers have turned on the light?
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		It was peaceful.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I feel like they were even more creative, though.
		Oh, dude, like on the on one of the or if it was if it was an inside job, it takes a lot of creativity.
		I bet those guys were meditating.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		One of the selling points on Transcendental Meditation's website in terms of like their outreach into foreign other countries and institutions and stuff like that is a dramatically decreased incidence of terrorism on people who meditate.
unidentified		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So that is even part of the selling point.
		I don't know.
		It's hard to say.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So on their website, it's like, hey, if you're thinking about becoming a terrorist, and I'm talking to you, ISIS, maybe try Transcendental Meditation.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's hard.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'll give you a mantra, and that mantra will be not going to blow anything up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're not going to blow anything up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		With the studies about Transcendental Meditation, it's really difficult to tell how much of it should be trusted.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And quite frankly, I don't have the kind of time to go pour over all the details of it for this episode.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Researching 9-11.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		Come on now.
		Because a lot of the research has been done by proponents of transcendental meditation.
		And so it looks like their methodology is good, but it's really tough to say.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They may have a dog in the fight, so to speak.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, like, statistical studies generally are not accepted unless done through independent organizations.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would prefer some peer review.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And some of these might be.
		I don't know.
		I don't know enough to say.
		And so I'm going to punt on the studies about transcendental meditation.
		But if it is just claims that are being made about relaxation, increased happiness, you can get that with all sorts of meditation.
		Anyway, it's tough to take the practice and the organization and deal with them separately.
		Because I think the practice does have benefits, but the organization is a manipulative, squirrely.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's a religion.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, it's a cult.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All religions are cults.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's fair enough.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		And then we do, and then we're really doing something.
		Well, it does start at home.
		Bring that light of unity.
		All diversity is appreciated in the light of unity.
		It will be so beautiful, so easy.
		Remember, that's where all the power is that created the universe.
		That doesn't mean that runs it, maintains it without a problem.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, I agree with you that charity starts at home.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We have to start changing ourselves.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly what he said.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You nailed it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I guess that's what the media is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Charity starts at home.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		Exactly right, Alex.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And you're going to be at a book shining tonight at, I guess, the Galleria area up in North Austin at Barnes and Noble's.
		Just to say Barnes and Noble interview, and I appreciate your courage.
		What did you think about Charlie Sheen and others speaking up on 9-11?
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		You know, if people have questions, they have the right in this country, by golly, to raise the questions.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		So you support them raising questions?
		Yes.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
		You know, I support enlivening unity.
		Bring out the full potential of the human being by doing that.
		Everyone has that ability.
		And let's start working on real peace, dynamic peace for the world.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		All these other problems, you know, mostly ridiculous absurdities will vanish.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So they're symptoms of the disease.
		Thank you.
		Yes, thank you.
		God bless.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, again, you have the parting shot with him trying one more time.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Charlie Sheen talked about it again.
		Hey, come on.
		Come on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So you have, like, this is a classic Alex Jones interview with someone he admires their work.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And that, like, he can't be a dick to them.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Starfucker.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But he has a goal.
		The other person has a goal.
		And it's a terrible interview.
		It's not even a conversation.
		They're just talking at each other.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And David Lynch is at least trying to engage with the things Alex says and weave them into what he wants to talk about, whereas Alex just keeps asking non-sequiturs.
		Now, I think it's disgraceful that Alex Jones, even if I put myself in the head of someone who believes in Alex Jones' world, I think it's disgraceful that he had David Lynch on.
		Because David Lynch is a big, big part of the Transcendental Meditation movement.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now, who is Alex Jones' big enemy?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The globalists.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Liberals.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, what are the globalists working towards?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Boy, you know, at this point, I really don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, everything was.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, what's his big fear?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Mind control?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		World government.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Transcendental Meditation is about world government?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In 1976, the followers of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi started the world government of the Age of Enlightenment to spread the teachings of Transcendental Meditation globally.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, there you go.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In 2001, they established the Global Country of World Peace.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Quote.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's not a good name for a country.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Quote, the Global Country of World Peace was founded by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi as a consortium of educational organizations in more than 100 countries working to create a new era of peace, progress, and prosperity in our world family.
		The Global Country of World Peace is a, quote, nation without borders, promoting unity consciousness and the reduction of narrow nationalism that divides humanity from humanity.
		It's time for peace-loving people every it's a home for peace-loving people everywhere.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like an attack on sovereignty, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now, Alex Jones also has some ideas about, you know, believing in deflating the currency and what have you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The global country for world peace has their own currency called the ROM.
unidentified		Really?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Which is one ROM is equivalent to $10.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Who prints it?
		Who backs it?
		Where can you use it?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is why we should never have left the gold standard, Dan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The ROM was just Bitcoin before Bitcoin.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		For a long time, the Global Country of World Peace folks, which is an organization within the Transcendental movement, Yogis Without Borders, I believe.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Madison Sen, Friends.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Part of the larger organization that all sprung forth out of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
		For a long time, they've been trying to start their own country from a 2001 article in the Independent.
		Quote, disciples of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the Beatles giggling guru who highlighted Transcendental Meditation in the 1960s, want to found a sovereign nation in South America.
		They've offered the government of Suriname $1.3 billion over three years to lease 3,500 acres for a rural utopia 20 miles northeast of the capital, Paramaribo.
		The proposed quote global country of world peace would mint its own currency, maintain a central bank, and have its own legal jurisdiction.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They have enough money to spend $1.5 billion over three years?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They have a lot of money.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot of money.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Think about all the fucking celebrities that are big proponents of them.
david lynch ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you lose it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot of money.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If you look at the list of the celebrities who are a part of the organization, it is so many more than Scientology.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, people just don't talk about it because it's not as scary and they don't have all that gay blackmail.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You don't have, you know, and you don't have like Tom Cruise, John Travolta are massive stars.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And like, Jim Carrey's a big star, but he's probably one of the most famous vocal proponents of TM.
		But he's not nearly on the level of Tom Cruise.
		And so that kind of helps Scientology.
		They got a bigger gap.
		But so they've been trying to start their own country.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How's it been going?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So they tried that in Suriname.
		They also tried to start a country in Costa Rica.
		And I quote.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Can you just like, wait, you can't lease you can't lease land and then say you're your own country, right?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		Why not?
		That's a good point.
		I've never tried it.
		In mid-June of this year, this is from 2002, some Costa Ricans were contacted by delegates of the religious organization Global Country of World Peace.
		From then on, the indigenous sector of the Central American country was immersed in confrontations that even almost reached communal divisions and physical fights.
		It happened that the Global Country is an organization born in India, but with Dutch legalization.
		Supposedly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We know they don't believe in 9-11.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Supposedly, its main objective is to reach a single world country without borders with a single currency, a single thought, and a single ruler, King Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is not a thing I want.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The sect even.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We were doing great.
		I was like, global country of world peace.
		You guys have a good old time.
		I don't like having a king.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The sect even came to Costa Rica to appoint a king to administer the region.
		We can't just appoint a king.
		In the region of Costa Rica, on the margin and ignoring the Costa Rican state.
		It imposed for the zone the currency ROM, equivalent to them, equivalent according to them, to $10 on the unit.
		The indigenous leader.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that's how currency works.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The indigenous leader Lessandro Mendez, under the charge of King of Rica Shanti Rostra, as Costa Rica was baptized, as in Costa Rica he was baptized, received from the Central Bank of the Netherlands the sum of $4 million so that he begins to administer this new state, name his ministers, and receive a salary of $1,000 per month.
		This situation, I think there's some translation issues here because it says the situation filled the patience.
		I imagine that means tried the patience or whatever.
		Exhausted the patience of the other indigenous peoples in the area and their organizations, since it was a disrespect for indigenous ancestral customs and an ignorance of the country's reality.
		The communities almost confronted each other, some in favor and others against the sect.
		The cause was knowing that the global country was trying to acquire 7,000 hectares to plant organic bananas to be sold in the United States, in addition to 7,000 hectares to establish the capital of the global country.
		All this in indigenous territory.
		Finally.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They've learned something from the white man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		From colonialism.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Finally.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, guys.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You took the right thing from us.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Finally, the Costa Rican president invited the members of the sect to leave the country in the shortest time possible, safeguarding the unity and integrity of the country.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hey, guys, you can't have your own country.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Go away.
		So let's just look at these little things that I've brought up here at the end of this episode.
		This Global Country for World Peace, which is a part of the Transcendental Organization.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Was going great.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I was fine with it until they had a king out of that crazy guy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Again, you know what?
		I want to say that there's a possibility that there's something lost in translation there, too.
		Like the single ruler being King Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, that sounds pretty translated correctly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's possible, but it might also be a thing where the single thought ruler or ideological ruler president for life.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Which isn't good, but it might not be.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Ayatollah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I think he was also dead by 2002.
		But be that as it may, like, what you have here is a rank history here in Costa Rica and in Suriname of them trying to buy land to impugn the territorial sovereignty of these countries.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Feel like we can't just do that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it also, I don't care if you can or not.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It seems like a motivation Alex Jones would be super against.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Then you have their larger goal, which clearly this would just be the beginning of, to create a one-world government with one world currency.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And their stated objectives here being that you want to create a nation without borders and rejecting the narrow nationalism that divides humanity.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You have things that are principally against what Alex Jones stands for.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		When you talk about Lynch made Dune, man, you got to listen to him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		When you talk about the globalists that Alex Jones throws darts at all the fucking time, as we discussed in the endgame coverage, like you look at Haas, the leader of the Council on Foreign Relations, in his essay that he wrote about globalization and sovereignty, he discusses the need to retain sovereignty, but to have the definition be adjusted to reflect the fact that we live in a global world.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And things that happen in other countries affect what happens to you in your sovereign country.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And non-national organizations are affecting everybody.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, currently we have economies without borders.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There is nothing in the stuff that I've read from Alex Jones's boogeymen globalists where they're actually saying we want a one-world government.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They do.
unidentified		They do.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but come on, they made Mulholland drive.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He didn't seem to like that one.
		Great film, though.
		He didn't like that one.
unidentified		All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So anyway, they made a racerhead.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex, you're so blinded by your star fuckery that you accidentally had somebody on your show who is promoting ideals of an organization that actually wants a one-world government.
		Congratulations, you dumb fuck.
		God damn it.
		He never fails to surprise me.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's dumb.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's so dumb.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, go suck it, Alex.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God, what an idiot.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, if you want more of the show, you can go to knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What a fucking moron.
		Oh, God.
		We've still got the Easter sale going on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We do.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight.
unidentified		Indeed.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You can find us on Facebook.
		Also, new group.
		New group.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If you've forgotten the name, check us out.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Which I have.
unidentified		Go home and tell your mother you're brilliant.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I got a show.
		I'm doing a show at the improv in Schomburg next Sunday, March 4th.
		You can come out and see that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Improvis.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If you are still available.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sonia, flights are cheap right now.
		You get on out, stay in Schomburg.
		It's a beautiful, boring suburb.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'd like to say, I'm thrilled by a lot of these international.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, Sonia, we've been aware of for a while.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We've interacted.
		You probably haven't, but I've interacted with her online.
		I'm thrilled by a lot of these new internationalists coming out of the woodwork.
		Like, I've received some messages from people in London, other parts of England, Finland, just in the last week.
		It's crazy.
		Denmark, it's nuts.
		I don't know what the fuck.
		I don't know how they're finding this, but it's awesome.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm happy they are.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's awesome.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I hope eventually interact with these folks.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We have enough policy wonks to take over Finland.
unidentified		Oh, or that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And start our own knowledge fight country.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		With our currency.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		With our currency.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, it'd be the ROM 2.0.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, also, to everybody out there who's emailed me about the Avengers initiative.
		I appreciate that.
		I have not been able to get back to you because of the endgame stuff.
		I sort of put responding to emails on hold.
		But I will be getting back to you, and I appreciate your posting stuff about us.
		And that long soundbite is coming.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You get your own private soundbite?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm going to play it on the show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's not private.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It'll just be.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And also, if you did email me.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I was going to go with the.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If you did email me about that stuff, please email me again with who you want to be from The Avengers.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		At this point, Rocket Raccoon is taken.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Rocket Raccoon's taken.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Everyone else is still in.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Are we talking about all the Avengers?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the West Coast Avengers are like all the Marvel Marvel characters in the eventual double team up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, everybody who's in any iteration of The Avengers.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is stupid.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I want to be in Star Wars, but whatever.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You don't get to be involved.
unidentified		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, guys.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you all so much for listening.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Who do you got?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I would like to say Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm on board with that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Kind of an asshole.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Go fuck yourself, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Alex.
unidentified		I'm a first-time caller.
		I'm a huge fan.
		I love your work.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I love you.
unidentified		Oh, man.

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