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Feb. 19, 2018 - Knowledge Fight
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#130A: Endgame, Part 1

Today, Dan and Jordan embark on an adventure that is probably a very dumb idea: covering the entirety of Alex Jones' very stupid "documentary" Endgame. Dan found approximately 130 specific instances of Alex either lying or "playing with the truth," so this could take a while. In this first episode, the gents learn that Alex doesn't know what "quote" means, but he does love Nazi propaganda films.

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alex jones
09:34
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dan friesen
01:08:04
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jordan holmes
31:32
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dr michael kaufman
01:31
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col arthur peterson
00:08
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dwight d eisenhower
00:06
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jim tucker
00:26
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john f kennedy
00:11
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Alex, I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to a special edition of Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We hear a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
That is indeed what we do, Dan.
Dan, is there a special hook for this special episode that perhaps is not the case on other episodes that we have done in the past?
dan friesen
Indeed there is, and that is that I know a lot about Alex Jones' documentary Endgame.
jordan holmes
And I don't know anything about Alex Jones' documentary Endgame.
That was the most successful thing that you and I have ever done.
Let's quit.
We don't need to do this whole episode now.
dan friesen
Indeed.
jordan holmes
We fucking nailed that.
dan friesen
For everybody who's checking us out and watching this who doesn't listen to our podcast, we do a podcast where we cover Alex Jones and deconstruct a lot of the bullshit that he says.
And today we are rewarding or punishing our listeners one way or the other.
jordan holmes
We're definitely punishing me.
Yes, that is true.
dan friesen
With a long-form episode wherein we'll be covering the entirety of Alex Jones' documentary Endgame.
Plan for global enslavement.
jordan holmes
Yes, and this is entirely Dan's idea.
I had no input on it whatsoever, so anybody with a nasty email does that.
For instance, if you are one of our many new listeners and you suddenly find yourself in this situation, send an email to knowledgefight at gmail.com.
Tell Dan what a terrible idea this was and how great I am.
dan friesen
I think a listener actually suggested we do this.
I'm only taking half the blame.
unidentified
Well, then happy birthday to whoever is listening.
dan friesen
Yeah, this should be the birthday present for all of you assholes, because this took me for fucking ever to research, and I'm glad it's over.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So, also, what was my other...
Oh, some of the narratives that we're going to run into, some of the things Alex Jones says that we're going to discuss, we have discussed on past episodes of the podcast.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So there might be a little bit of overlap.
If you're a regular listener of the podcast, you may hear some things that you've heard before.
But I want this to stand alone as a thing.
So I don't...
I don't mind the idea that we repeat a little bit.
So just have that in mind.
It won't be too much.
jordan holmes
This is not just for our listeners.
This is for posterity as well.
dan friesen
Indeed, indeed.
jordan holmes
When the squirrel people have overtaken and run this great land of ours, they will look back and think, man, those two assholes got it right one time.
dan friesen
Sure.
I welcome our squirrel leadership that is forthcoming.
jordan holmes
Yeah, thank you very much for taking down the spiders, guys.
dan friesen
A couple other quick points.
We are going to try to not drink until late in this episode.
jordan holmes
We are going to try to not drink for at least the next 45 minutes.
dan friesen
But we will get to the booze eventually, and then this thing will kick into high gear.
jordan holmes
Yeah, bear with us for the sober part of the show, and then after a while we'll fucking nail it!
dan friesen
And then what was the last thing?
Yeah, Alex Jones sucks.
Oh, yeah!
I'm going to give you this in advance for everybody listening and Jordan.
There is a bibliography for Endgame that you can find.
I've posted a link to it on our bibliography on knowledgefight.com.
And one of the things that's really troubling about it...
jordan holmes
One of those is a bibliography, and the other one is the bare bones of words being written down.
dan friesen
It legit wouldn't fly in junior high, like as a works cited page.
Because we got a situation where Alex Jones has a bunch of insert here in the bibliography, like, I'll get around to it later.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
dan friesen
And he just never filled it in.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
You can't do that!
You can't just have a bibliography page with, like, eh, we'll get to it later.
dan friesen
And some of them are egregious.
Because they're huge points that he's trying to make, and he's like, insert here proof the Rothschilds are evil.
unidentified
Stuff like that.
jordan holmes
What are you doing?
dan friesen
You can't do that.
unidentified
No, of course.
dan friesen
And then the other thing is...
jordan holmes
Spiritually, I'm right.
And then sooner or later...
History will bear that out.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And then the other thing is that Alex Jones, I mean, he talks a lot about how he came up reading encyclopedias that his dad had, and he loved encyclopedias.
jordan holmes
On the mean streets.
dan friesen
And unfortunately, I would say about a third of the references that he makes, works cited pages, are in Carta.
jordan holmes
Microsoft Encarta.
dan friesen
Yes, they're Encarta pages for, like, Play-Doh or whatever.
jordan holmes
On, like, CDs that would also come with 12 hours of free internet.
That's what you're saying.
dan friesen
I think that has to be the case, because, quite frankly, I looked...
They're not online anymore.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
He's Encarta pages, so it's just dead links all over the place.
Also, he uses Wikipedia as a source a bunch, and then also...
Tons of his own work.
There's a ton of Infowars and Prison Planet that are used as works cited pages.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, but those are reliable.
dan friesen
He uses his own documentary, Terror Storm, as a reference.
jordan holmes
He references his own documentary as a works cited for his current documentary.
dan friesen
Yes, it's a complete disaster, and we'll get through all of it, but I'm just saying this to Garner...
jordan holmes
Now I don't believe anything Ken Burns has ever made.
Has he just been citing his own documentaries and all of his documentaries?
dan friesen
I'd respect it more.
jordan holmes
I thought baseball was suspiciously similar to...
The Civil War.
dan friesen
There's overlap.
So all I'm doing is trying to garner a healthy level of pity before we get into this to say that I had to dig through that mud to get to a lot of this stuff.
jordan holmes
No, you are Jesus, yes.
dan friesen
Thank you very much.
So now, let's jump into it without further ado.
jordan holmes
Well, you're white Jesus.
Let's get that right.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
Let's jump into this and begin the Alex Jones documentary Endgame.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
I'm already out.
This is terrible.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
Countless people will hate the New World Order and will die protesting against it.
dan friesen
I already have to pause.
jordan holmes
By H.G. Wells.
dan friesen
I already have to pause because Alex is misusing this quote.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
This is a quote from H.G. Wells' book, The New World Order.
And he's just taking the quote out of context.
I read the entire book in order to...
That's 16 seconds in.
Already got to read this book.
jordan holmes
Already off to a bad start.
dan friesen
It turns out that what he was talking about was that there was a massive change that needed to happen in the world because you had masses of undereducated, underemployed youth and the problem was only going to get worse.
It was going to necessitate It was just inevitable.
We'd have to change if we were going to have any hope for most people to be able to continue living.
And when that change comes, many will resist it.
But what Alex is doing here is that he's cutting pieces of the quote out while he's reading the quote.
Mentioning that he's cut out pieces of the quote.
jordan holmes
Ha!
dan friesen
Here, from the actual text of H.G. Wells' book, you'll hear what he's cutting out.
Quote, So what he's saying here is he's...
What Alex is...
Conveniently cut out are the people who specifically H.G. Wells is saying will be against this new world order of equity where people are able to survive.
These people, specifically Maharajas, which is kings, millionaires, Pukka Sahibs, which is a term that colonialists made people call them.
The British, in particular, when they colonized Burma, they made the Burmese people call them Puka Sahibs, which basically translated to pure white gentlemen.
And pretty ladies, you know, that's just a term of the time for, like, social elite, high class dames.
And you've got to understand H.G. Wells is also British, so lady isn't just woman, it's a term of...
jordan holmes
We are 16 seconds in, and Alex Jones has used a quote that should be used against Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Good.
I hope they die.
unidentified
Wow, wow.
*Dramatic music*
I appeared before the Congressional Committee to tell what I knew of activities.
dan friesen
This is Smedley Butler.
We'll get into him later.
jordan holmes
That, I, no, no.
Don't say the word Smedley Butler at me ever again.
dan friesen
You might like Smedley.
jordan holmes
What is this?
What is going on right now?
Are we in P.G. Woodhouse?
What's happening?
dan friesen
This is Cat's Meat Potter Pierbright.
He's a good lad.
He's a tough egg.
jordan holmes
He's a tough egg to crack.
dan friesen
He's a tough baby.
unidentified
To an attempt to set up a fascist dictatorship.
dwight d eisenhower
The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
john f kennedy
The very word secrecy is repugnant in a free and open society.
dan friesen
Sure.
john f kennedy
And we are, as a people, inherently and historically opposed to secret societies.
jordan holmes
Any, uh...
Any point yet?
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Anywhere we're going with this?
unidentified
President Bush signed a formal agreement that will end the United States as we know it.
dan friesen
Nope.
unidentified
And he took the step without approval from either the U.S. Congress or the people of the United States.
The secret organizations of the world power elite are no longer secret.
It's known as the Bilderberg Group.
jordan holmes
A lot of jump cuts.
unidentified
Could their objective be world domination?
dan friesen
A lot of tiny little bits of broadcasts.
jim tucker
Chase Bilderberg.
unidentified
Hi, Jim.
jim tucker
30 years.
I'll never give up the chase.
dan friesen
This guy's Jim Tucker.
jordan holmes
Jim Tucker is chasing Hildebrandt.
jim tucker
Jimmy T. Nothing less than world government.
I'm not comfortable with that at all.
unidentified
Who elected these guys to run the planet?
jim tucker
They are the elitist.
They feel they should run the world for their own selfish interests.
unidentified
Now we can see a new world coming into view.
A world in which there is the very real prospect of a new world order.
jim tucker
Bilderberg is making great progress toward a world government.
jordan holmes
Are we going anywhere with this?
dan friesen
Not really.
jordan holmes
Bilderberg is the bad guy.
dan friesen
Bilderberg is a bad guy.
jordan holmes
Why don't they have anything else going on yet?
dan friesen
Well, here's the thing.
I want to talk to you a little bit quickly about Jim Tucker because he's going to factor very heavily into this documentary.
jordan holmes
I know.
He has a cowboy hat.
dan friesen
He does.
jordan holmes
So then you can discount literally everything else he's about to say.
dan friesen
So Jim Tucker's been researching Bilderberg for 27 years at the point when this documentary has come out.
jordan holmes
Seems like he should have been done by now.
dan friesen
Exactly.
And he has pretty much nothing to show for it.
jordan holmes
He's got a great cowboy hat.
dan friesen
He's got a great cowboy hat.
He looks good reading a newspaper, smoking a cigarette, but he has no real definitive information that he's really ever put out.
The thing that I came away from is if he has any real proof, it will be in this documentary.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And it is not.
jordan holmes
It would have to be.
dan friesen
So that was one of my guiding principles.
All he says is that they're up to something.
jordan holmes
That's probably true.
dan friesen
And he's very cryptic and spooky about it, and that he has some guy from Europe, who he doesn't know who it is, who sends him a list of attendees every year.
That's all he's got.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I have no idea who this guy is, he just faxes me over the attendee list every year.
jordan holmes
I am struggling to find the French word for deep or the French word for throat, because I would have totally tossed that in there.
dan friesen
Could be German.
jordan holmes
You know what I'm saying?
Like a deep throat, but I would have used a great...
dan friesen
You could be.
jordan holmes
So good.
dan friesen
So Jim Tucker...
jordan holmes
My complete lack of multiple languages has destroyed me.
dan friesen
Oh, c 'est très mal.
So for many years, Jim Tucker has written for a publication called The Spotlight, and that is a publication that the Anti-Defamation League is referred to as very anti-Semitic.
Their editorial position is one of Holocaust denial.
jordan holmes
The Anti-Defamation League literally called it...
The Defamation League.
We're anti-whatever that guy is doing.
dan friesen
So in 1985, William F. Buckley brought a $16 million defamation lawsuit against the spotlight, and the judges found that at least two of the charges raised by Buckley constituted libel.
The first one was that the Liberty Lobby's charge that the National Review had promoted the right of militant sex deviants to molest small children by publishing both sides of the home.
Do you understand what that sentence was?
I'm sorry, I read that poorly.
jordan holmes
If I understand correctly, the judge found that the National Review was not promoting militant sex deviance by being like, gay people aren't evil.
That's what was just said right there.
Or even just like, gay people exist!
dan friesen
Right.
And then the second one that constituted libel that this Spotlight publication was involved in was that they repeatedly claimed that the National Review had surrendered its editorial independence to Zionist financial power through a deal with the ADL.
And they found that there was no proof of that and that that constituted libel.
unidentified
So...
jordan holmes
So do they think that the ADL has the power to broker deals between...
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Why?
Is that what they do?
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
It's part of their purview.
jordan holmes
But I mean, you'd have to be really good at writing contracts and shit like that, or are they just putting people in contact with each other?
dan friesen
They got lawyers at the ADL, I'm sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but why do they go to the ADL?
dan friesen
Well, the bottom line is that he went to court and it was proven to be liable.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, of course it was.
dan friesen
So Jim Tucker's written for that.
jordan holmes
I just don't like it that people, whenever they do this type of shit, I'm already angry.
We're a minute and 57 seconds in.
Ladies and gentlemen, get ready for the 12 and a half hour long episode of the Dumbass Endgame documentary.
Yeah.
But I hate it whenever people are just like, oh, yeah, it's the Southern Poverty Law Center that has been brokering this deal between Iran and the secret patriots within the government.
You're like, well, just look at what they do.
Like, pick somebody who does that.
Like, if he said Goldman Sachs is negotiating the deal, I'd be like, yeah, Goldman Sachs negotiates those fucking deals, not the Anti-Defamation League.
What office are you going to?
dan friesen
You're a fool, man.
jordan holmes
Do the ADL have big boardrooms?
Is there a guy with a fucking PowerPoint presentation?
Here's the best way to screw over the Zionists.
Like, what are you doing?
dan friesen
Jordan, let me blow your mind.
Goldman Sachs is the ADL.
unidentified
No!
dan friesen
So, also, I wanted to point this out.
jordan holmes
That's the worst written Twilight Zone ever.
dan friesen
You can find a back catalog of Jim Tucker's writing about the Bilderberg Group online, and holy shit.
jordan holmes
It's all in Cram?
dan friesen
It might as well be.
It's so bad.
It's just full of conversations that are hearsay.
They're wildly, like, overwritten.
The dialogue between these globalists at the meetings are all like, fuck these peons.
jordan holmes
He's writing fan fiction.
That's what he's doing.
dan friesen
He absolutely is.
jordan holmes
It's embarrassing.
How much sex is there?
dan friesen
I think there's probably a lot.
jordan holmes
I think there's probably quite a bit of sex.
dan friesen
Also, it's really fun because I watched another documentary that we'll talk about a little bit later that involves Jim Tucker.
And he's made it perfectly clear he's never gone into Bilderberg, but that he plans every year and then chickens out at the last minute.
Because he's afraid that they're going to take him out.
jordan holmes
Okay, well then why are you still planning?
Look, if you're going to Don Quixote, you've got to Don Quixote, man.
You've got to go all the way.
dan friesen
He thinks he's going to have the nerve and then he just chickens out at the last minute.
jordan holmes
This is why Don Quixote is ultimately an admirable figure.
He never chickens out.
dan friesen
Yeah, he had commitment.
jordan holmes
Got his ass kicked a lot, but he still fucking went.
dan friesen
Real quick, before we get back to the video...
jordan holmes
Oh, are we still doing this?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's important because he just played that George H.W. Bush speech that mentioned the New World Order.
And it's really, really important.
People take that in its proper context.
It's really scary because he said the words New World Order and now everyone's afraid of that.
But you have to understand that that speech was about how Iraq had just invaded Kuwait.
That was the context of the speech.
jordan holmes
It was not about how the Iraq had just defeated Hulk Hogan in the NWO.
dan friesen
Wrong league, bro.
jordan holmes
Not wrong league?
dan friesen
WCW's MWO.
Rock was WWF all the way.
jordan holmes
I don't remember the 90s.
dan friesen
To quote the WWF's Attitude Era slogan, get the F out.
jordan holmes
All right, all right.
unidentified
Fair enough.
dan friesen
They changed their name to WWE.
That was their slogan.
Get the F out.
jordan holmes
That's pretty clever.
dan friesen
It's not bad.
jordan holmes
It's not bad.
I want to be a dick about that.
It's not bad.
dan friesen
It's the best end result of being sued by the World Wildlife.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
The New World Order that Bush was talking about is basically this.
For decades, the Cold War had been creating unsustainable tension between the US and the USSR, which made it pretty much impossible for the UN to function properly.
The two largest powers in the group were at odds with each other, and they would constantly look to face off with each other in proxy wars.
Bush announces in that speech that he had engaged in talks with Gorbachev in Helsinki.
Quote, Yeah, it is pretty funny in hindsight.
A new partnership of nations has begun, and we stand today at a unique and extraordinary moment.
And then he gets into the point where he says the new world order.
I think that's important.
jordan holmes
I mean, ultimately, what he...
What is confused here is any day.
You're talking about the New World Order of today, or the World Order of currently, or the Old World Order of yesterday.
Like, new does not mean it's a massive changing of the guard.
A lot of times it means a simple concept.
Like, before we used to be busy with all this shit, and now we gotta kill you.
Goddammit, Saddam!
I'm trying to fight the Russians over here, and we figured out that we shouldn't be doing that anymore.
So now we have both of our...
Massive military budgets with nothing to do.
So guess what?
Gulf War.
dan friesen
You know, they could have saved a ton of problems with the conspiracy communities if people had just been mindful and said, like, fresh international paradigm.
As opposed to New World Order.
You know what I'm saying?
It would have been so much easier if they just used those terms.
jordan holmes
Like when you're in a mixtape situation, you're often like, damn.
dan friesen
I often find myself in mixtape situations.
jordan holmes
That international paradigm is fresh.
dan friesen
Right, absolutely.
jordan holmes
That's what they were saying in the 90s.
dan friesen
So anyway, I really don't find a lot of evidence that...
George H.W. Bush was admitting to anything along the lines of what...
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Anyway, let's get back.
jordan holmes
But you've never seen him wear Zubas, so...
dan friesen
That's true.
jim tucker
Only an educated, informed public can stop them in their tracks.
unidentified
David Rockefeller admits in his own memoirs that he wants to destroy the United States!
dan friesen
We'll get back to that.
alex jones
He's a traitor!
unidentified
It's good to be back at the Council on Foreign Relations.
As Pete mentioned, I've been a member for a long time and was actually a director for some period of time.
I never mentioned that when I was campaigning for re-election back home in Wyoming.
jordan holmes
I still hope you die.
unidentified
Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories.
dan friesen
I do like this.
unidentified
I need you to move off the prompting.
dan friesen
It seems like stock music.
alex jones
This building is right there.
col arthur peterson
The Grand Texas corridor is a vital part because we stop here in Texas.
We stop the new world order right here in Texas.
unidentified
This thing started here.
jordan holmes
What is this?
unidentified
To save this country, we kill this damn thing here.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a Verizon map.
unidentified
Isn't that what that is?
jordan holmes
That's the government land seizure Verizon map?
dan friesen
Yeah.
We'll get into all of this.
This is sort of a sizzle reel at the beginning.
jordan holmes
I'm flabbergasted.
We haven't even started this fucking documentary yet.
dan friesen
Not really.
jordan holmes
We're at eight minutes into this goddamn thing.
unidentified
There is a chance for the President of the United States to carry out a phrase his father used, and that is a new world order.
dan friesen
So that was Gary Hart, and I only want to pause here really quick because I think that using Gary Hart as someone who's pointing the finger at the Bushes...
Is not a good way to go about it.
jordan holmes
Who's Gary Hart again?
dan friesen
Gary Hart was the guy who tried to run for president in 1988 against then-Vice President George H.W. Bush.
jordan holmes
I think I remember that a little bit.
dan friesen
And PIs and opposition research dug up an affair he had.
And I think, as I recall, it was when he...
jordan holmes
So if he had run today, he would be president twice over.
dan friesen
But it was during a time that, as I recall, it was when him and his wife were separated.
And so it wasn't even really infidelity, but it got really salacious.
jordan holmes
So weird to go back in time and see...
What took those guys down?
dan friesen
He was the front-runner on the Democratic side, and at that point, it had been like 100 years since an incumbent VP had been elected president, and so it seemed really likely that he had a fast-track to the presidency, and George H.W. Bush screwed him over royally.
And so he probably just hates him.
Also, in 1998, Bill Clinton put Gary Hart on a national security board that did a study.
It was a bipartisan U.S. Commission on National Security in the 21st century.
So he has a lot of awareness of national security issues and what have you.
jordan holmes
Sure, sounds like it.
dan friesen
He warned back then that broad changes were needed, but no one implemented any of them.
And then 9-11 happened.
And it turns out he probably...
jordan holmes
They thought he was just talking about...
The ladies.
dan friesen
He probably...
jordan holmes
You need a lot of bring-a-changes to these broads over here.
dan friesen
He wanted more diversity.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That'd be nice.
dan friesen
He probably had access to those warnings that, you know, bin Laden determined to strike in the U.S. again, because in the lead-up to September 11th, he was going around being like, everyone, you need to take this fucking seriously.
And no one listened to him.
jordan holmes
Well, it's not like Osama was quiet about it.
It's not like he was just talking in back rooms with a bunch of fomenters.
Or in riddles.
Hey, everybody!
I'm going to attack America!
dan friesen
Like I did years ago.
jordan holmes
I did it before!
I'm gonna do it again!
And everybody's like, why?
I didn't know why you would ever do that!
dan friesen
No one could possibly see this coming.
jordan holmes
No one could ever have guessed it.
We only trained him how to.
dan friesen
The only thing I'm saying here is that I think there's a reason that Gary Hart hates the Bushes.
jordan holmes
It's because 9-11 was a false flag.
unidentified
Right.
Your new world order will fall.
alex jones
Humanity will defeat you.
unidentified
The answer to 1984 is 1776.
jordan holmes
Man.
dan friesen
Just remember he stole that catchphrase from some European guy.
unidentified
Endgame.
jordan holmes
Now we're into some serious 90s.
This is like the opening to Ghost Rider.
Do you remember that kids TV show?
This is exactly that.
dan friesen
It's less based in reality.
alex jones
In the near future, Earth is dominated by a powerful world government.
dan friesen
So real quick, Alex is about to launch into essentially just a baseless dystopian future vision.
Keep in mind, he has nothing backing anything up.
This is really just him speculating about what he thinks is coming.
jordan holmes
He has had six-hour dreams of the future.
dan friesen
He does.
jordan holmes
He's had prophetic visions.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
So this is clearly what's going on.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We just get to watch it now.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
Once free nations are slaves to the will of a tiny elite.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
That's way different.
alex jones
The dark age is upon mankind.
Countries are a thing of the past.
Every form of independence is under attack, with the family and even the individual itself nearing extinction.
unidentified
Purple Penguin.
Okay.
alex jones
Has he ever seen the movie They Live?
He loves it.
Superhighways connect the megacities and keep the population from entering into unauthorized zones.
Which zone?
dan friesen
Unauthorized zones.
jordan holmes
The danger zones?
unidentified
The forbidden zone.
alex jones
AI supercomputers chronicle and categorize every action.
dan friesen
It's just Planet of the Apes.
alex jones
A prison planet dominated by a ruthless gang of control freaks.
dan friesen
We're into the...
Whose power can never be challenged.
alex jones
This is the vision of the global elite.
Their goal.
A program of total dehumanization.
Where the science of tyranny is law.
The science of tyranny is law.
A worldwide control grid.
dan friesen
Sure.
alex jones
Designed to ensure the Overlord's monopoly of power forever.
Our species will be condemned to this nightmare future unless the masses are awakened to the New World Order Master Plan.
dan friesen
He said...
jordan holmes
Somebody wrote this!
dan friesen
He wrote it, I'm sure.
jordan holmes
He did not write that.
dan friesen
He said nothing.
jordan holmes
No, he hasn't said anything.
dan friesen
The whole time he said nothing, except for his misreading of tons of documents, and we're going to get into all of them.
I've got to be honest, I already want a beer.
We definitely shouldn't, but I already want one.
jordan holmes
I just get frustrated.
I kind of shut down after he said...
dan friesen
Already?
jordan holmes
Already.
dan friesen
Oh, that's bad.
jordan holmes
I already shut...
After he started talking, he was like...
dan friesen
This is going to be a great trial of endurance.
jordan holmes
He was like, countries are a thing of the past.
Every form of independence has been snuffed out.
And I was like, well...
Countries haven't really been a form of independence now, have they?
dan friesen
Nor is strictly speaking a family, really.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
In fact, those are things that keep you from independence.
dan friesen
Those are forms of collections.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I don't understand what the point that he is trying to make so far yet is at all.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, you can just throw it out.
Because it's not based on anything.
jordan holmes
Well, am I mad that 80% of the population is gone?
dan friesen
Well, no, but we've already talked about this.
You're kind of all right with that idea.
But for me, I am okay with it being in here because he's lying about a very specific document that we'll talk about later.
The globalists, who aren't really real, strictly speaking, don't want...
jordan holmes
In the strictest sense.
dan friesen
Yeah, they don't...
That's not in their plans.
He doesn't know how to read.
Anyway, let's move forward, lest we be here all night.
alex jones
And mobilized to defeat it.
Erected by a secretive group, the Georgia Guidestones are a testament to the elite's plan for a world religion, global laws, for the global court and army to enforce it.
jordan holmes
The Georgia Guidestones.
dan friesen
That's how he started.
alex jones
And set in stone, it is written that the population never rise above 500 million.
jordan holmes
I mean, you could put anything in stone, really.
dan friesen
It's true.
So do you know about the Georgia Guidestones?
jordan holmes
Turns out stones aren't even really that expensive anymore.
dan friesen
It's true.
jordan holmes
I could get something engraved.
dan friesen
So the Georgia Guidestones were built in 1980 with the financing.
unidentified
Set in stone is Alex Jones' face with a penis in it.
dan friesen
It's in stone.
jordan holmes
What are you going to do?
It's in stone.
The population will never get larger than Alex Jones' penis mouth.
dan friesen
So for those of you who don't know what the Georgia Guidestones are, they were built in 1980, and the funding came from a guy who was using the nom de plume, the fake name R.C. Christian, which has led a bunch of conspiracy theorists to believe that he was a member...
jordan holmes
A remote-controlled car?
dan friesen
No, control Jesus.
No, he was a Rosicrucian.
That's what the conspiracy theorists believe.
That he was a portmanteau.
jordan holmes
R.C. Rosie the Riveter.
dan friesen
Or Rose Crucifix.
Yeah.
unidentified
Gotcha.
dan friesen
Rosicrucian.
But the facts about it, it's really crazy because it is still a mystery to some extent.
jordan holmes
To who this guy is?
dan friesen
No one really knows.
jordan holmes
D.B. Cooper.
dan friesen
A lot of people have speculated that it's...
jordan holmes
R.C. Christian?
D.B. Cooper?
Problem solved.
Two mysteries, one documentary.
dan friesen
I enjoy that.
No one speculated that.
jordan holmes
Well, see, there we go.
This is why I'm on this show.
Fresh takes.
dan friesen
A number of people have speculated that it's Ted Turner because it's in Georgia and he's based out of Atlanta.
That's nonsense.
jordan holmes
And calling himself R.C. Christian, totally a Ted Turner thing to do.
dan friesen
Totally.
My name is R.C. Buffalo.
Bison, excuse me.
But it is fascinating to me the idea that this secret has managed to be kept for a really long time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fun.
dan friesen
Be that as it may, on the face of each of the tablets that are set up there, there's ten messages.
Not commandments, necessarily, but ten messages in different languages.
There's English, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, Russian, Swahili, Hindu, and Hebrew.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The first one is that...
jordan holmes
Tower of Babel.
dan friesen
You should maintain humanity under 500 million in perpetual balance with nature.
And that's the only one that conspiracy theorists ever talk about.
jordan holmes
Right, because the next one is like, could you pick up some groceries at the store?
dan friesen
Guys, be cool.
Be cool is the next one.
No, they never talk about ones like protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
jordan holmes
Sounds like a shitty New World Order to me.
dan friesen
Or, let all nations rule internally, resolving external disputes in a world court.
jordan holmes
That doesn't make any sense.
dan friesen
Seems like common sense.
Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
Or another one, balance personal rights with social duties.
So, I mean, it's not all, like, some sort of very evil message.
jordan holmes
Look both ways before you cross.
dan friesen
A lot of them are super benign.
So R.C. Christian, when he came and, like, talked to the Quarry people, he said that he represented an organization that wanted to help create Age of Reason.
And so a lot of people have speculated that there's two possibilities.
I believe that there's two possibilities that are possible at all.
The first is that it's a well-funded performance piece of art.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That is possible to me.
I think it could be a giant Banksy-esque thing and that people are buying into it and whatever and getting all hot and bothered about nothing.
jordan holmes
It'd be a solid move.
dan friesen
Or two, I think it's entirely possible that this guy going by the name R.C. Christian was a front for a sort of apocalyptic group that believed that disaster was imminent and knew that this land in Georgia was not going to be flooded immediately by rising waters.
It was safe from a lot of...
It is really well situated in terms of...
jordan holmes
Great spot.
dan friesen
Yeah, in terms of natural disasters.
jordan holmes
Holy shit, now I'm on board.
dan friesen
And everything is set up astrologically.
The different tablets are set up to be maximums and minimums of the wobble of planets.
jordan holmes
Aliens.
Aliens.
dan friesen
It could be an alien.
jordan holmes
Totally aliens.
dan friesen
But the more likely thing is like this is the way I would I would assess it.
They erected this monument to serve as a message to future survivors of this disaster that they saw coming so that these survivors could avoid some of the things that got us into trouble and hindered our ability to save ourselves from whatever disaster was coming.
Okay.
Misguided or not, it seems like that might be the motivation.
jordan holmes
I actually like this a lot.
dan friesen
I do too.
jordan holmes
I am way more on their side than I am on anybody else's here.
dan friesen
You're a Rosicrucian.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if you have some conspiracy that's making cool shit like this, I want to see what's up.
dan friesen
The other thing about it is...
jordan holmes
Fuck this endgame doggo.
Why would I want to be on the team of the guy making a documentary that doesn't have a point and we're already seven minutes in?
Give me the team of the people who are like, I wonder what astrological signs are, and then they build a thing.
dan friesen
But he's also got like...
That's true.
That's true.
jordan holmes
They don't have it.
They don't have musical accompaniments.
dan friesen
So one of the things that's also important to keep in mind is that R.C. Christian, pretty soon after the building of the Georgia Guidestones, bequeathed them to Albert County, Georgia, who currently owns the monument.
So if anybody really...
jordan holmes
Oh, the county, not...
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's not another...
Look, where we're at with Smedley Butler and all this shit, I don't trust anything not being a proper noun.
dan friesen
That's fair.
I guess it is a proper noun.
jordan holmes
No, it is a proper...
I mean, a personal name.
dan friesen
But the fact that the county owns it now means that if people really did believe it was some work of satanic nonsense, like Mark Dice and Alex Jones, definitely believe.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they could just have a council meeting?
dan friesen
Well, they could really petition the county government to take it down.
Or if the county government believed that it had anything nefarious or was some sort of evil thing, they could take it down themselves.
But the reality is it staying up is profitable for both sides of it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And it's good for tourism for Elbert County.
It works for everybody, and it's interesting and thought-provoking.
Right.
jordan holmes
And they sacrifice a goat there every Tuesday.
dan friesen
There's no doubt about that.
jordan holmes
That's absolutely true.
dan friesen
We're going to get into that a little bit later.
jordan holmes
What, are we going to sacrifice a goat?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Is that what's going to get us through this?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
This is our own money bomb, and it's the worst idea ever.
dan friesen
And no one's donating.
As we do this live.
I guess we're not doing it live.
jordan holmes
No, we're not doing it live.
dan friesen
Jump back.
alex jones
In this film you will learn how our world is truly governed.
jordan holmes
How is it truly governed?
alex jones
You will see how highly secretive roundtable groups interlock to form a global intelligence network.
This group has been steering planetary affairs for hundreds of years.
Now in the final stage, they prepare for open world government.
A goal tyrants throughout history have lusted after.
Dr. Michael Kaufman is a published ecologist specializing in ecosystem research.
jordan holmes
What did he publish?
dan friesen
Not much.
jordan holmes
Anytime Alex's credit is he's a published, I'm like, give me a name and then give me the one thing and then tell me exactly how many hundred copies it's all.
Because it didn't fucking sell a goddamn thing and this guy's a lunatic.
dan friesen
We're going to get to some really fun publishing talk a little bit later.
But I want to tell you about Michael Kaufman.
Information about him.
jordan holmes
Brother of Andy Kaufman.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
Performance artist, author.
Information about Michael Kaufman online is pretty scarce.
He did die in 2017.
According to InfoWars...
Websites like him, like Alex Jones' websites, he is responsible for getting the word out about Agenda 21 and the globalists' plan to take over the United States land.
jordan holmes
Was that in one of his ecological papers?
dan friesen
Probably.
He did so in actually some pretty deceitful ways that we'll get into once we start talking about the Wildlands Project.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
dan friesen
Get ready.
I'm going to take off this sweater at a certain point.
jordan holmes
Dude, I'm looking at the time and we're six and a half minutes into this documentary.
dan friesen
Oh boy.
jordan holmes
And I'm staring down two hours and twenty and I'm not...
unidentified
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
We're going to be on day nine of this thing.
dan friesen
So, in a farewell post on Infowars.com, I can only find it on Infowars.
I don't know if it was posted anywhere else.
jordan holmes
Or if it was written.
dan friesen
Kaufman had cancer, and he recognized that he was dying.
And so this was like a farewell to that community.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And he writes, Find a new job.
That was when my eyes were opened to the fact that it was politics driving the science and not the other way around.
Now, I would say that the most likely real-life explanation here is he did a terrible job on this study, and that the advisory board told him he needed to redo it because he forgot a variable or something along those lines, because acid rain is an actual problem.
jordan holmes
I don't think anybody has ever said that it's not a problem.
Well, his faulty study.
That's maybe why, maybe he's right.
Maybe acid raining from the skies is not an issue.
dan friesen
Consistent studies have shown that acid rain causes really serious problems.
First of all, just water life.
You can end up killing all sorts of ecosystems in water.
jordan holmes
I would like to know far more about his study and how it was set up.
dan friesen
I could not find it, unfortunately.
jordan holmes
Was it just like a guy wearing an acid suit being like, okay, now spray some acid on him and he's fine?
And they're like, well, then it's no big deal.
dan friesen
I think more likely this story is apocryphal and not real.
I think he's just talking shit.
Because the pH balances of soil, all sorts of shit, is really thrown off by acid rain.
So the idea that he was told to falsify his findings about acid rain is completely unbelievable, except possibly as a situation where the paper company he was working for wanted him to change his findings, but that doesn't make sense because they would be more interested in what he actually claimed to have found, that acid rain wasn't a problem, because then they could pollute more and all that shit.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, that's a good point.
dan friesen
So it doesn't make any sense.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
No one's motivation makes sense in this story, and the science doesn't make sense.
So I'm left to believe that the one thing that he left behind in his farewell post was a big lie that makes me question any of the things he says.
Right.
alex jones
Forest ecology and ecosystem classification.
Dr. Kaufman played a key role in blocking the ratification of the Convention on Biological Diversity in the U.S. Senate.
dr michael kaufman
The concept of the New World Order has been around for centuries.
It's been receiving tremendous play over the last half of the 20th century.
unidentified
If it's the New World Order that's been around for centuries, how the heck did it just the World Order?
dr michael kaufman
And really implies that he really wants to see an order in which we have a universal or a global type of governance.
In which every human being on planet Earth is ultimately responsible to policies that are being formulated at the international level.
unidentified
It is a big idea.
jordan holmes
I don't understand why that's bad.
unidentified
A new world order.
jordan holmes
I don't understand why that's bad.
dan friesen
Alex will try and explain.
I don't get it!
jordan holmes
One side of the world is affected by what the other side of the world does.
It's a good idea!
dan friesen
Right.
We're going to wrestle with that a bit.
Alex will try and make his case.
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't want any of these idiots doing it.
Don't get me wrong.
I think what they're missing is they think that the idea is bad and not the fact that everybody that they want in power is the worst person to be.
dan friesen
Right.
It's more about competence and execution than it is about conception.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
President Bush said that the New World Order was in tune, and that's what they were working for.
The U.N. is part of that government.
They're working right now very significantly for a North American union.
That's why there's a lot of people in Washington that don't care too much about our borders.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Way to go, Ron Paul.
Is that why?
dan friesen
So here's some fun stuff about Ron Paul.
Ron Paul used to put out a...
I just don't care what he thinks about the U.N. because it doesn't really mean anything.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
But also he used to put out a newsletter, the Ron Paul Report, that frequently contained really fucked up stuff.
Here's one example.
About the L.A. riots, he said, Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks three days after the rioting began.
jordan holmes
I really did not want you to hear it.
Oh, God.
dan friesen
On the HIV crisis, he said, He wishes the gays enjoy the attention and pity that comes with being sick.
unidentified
I guess that's relatively inoffensive.
dan friesen
It's pretty offensive.
jordan holmes
It's offensive, but I don't quite know 100% how.
dan friesen
On black people in general, there's a quote.
jordan holmes
I don't like anybody saying anything on black people in general.
That usually means it's not a good thing to say.
dan friesen
If you've ever been robbed by a black teenaged male, then you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be.
unidentified
Woof.
dan friesen
So anyway, Ron Paul claims that he didn't write these things and has no idea who did.
There are no bylines in his newsletter.
No, like, the articles aren't signed.
That's smart.
But other articles that were written in his newsletter frequently use the first person.
unidentified
So that's a little suspicious.
Okay.
dan friesen
My assessment is that either this is him lying about what he's written in the past or a completely unacceptable level of awareness to have about something that has your fucking name on it.
jordan holmes
Can you imagine?
Look, I don't put anything in there.
I don't even know where that came from.
dan friesen
I don't even look at it.
jordan holmes
I just fucking know who gives a shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, Ron, I'm going to question your attention to details, Ron Paul.
Although I do agree with non-interventionism largely.
I am anti-war and pro-marijuana.
Hooray.
unidentified
We have a philosophic belief that national sovereignty is not important.
It's also the reason I have made very strong suggestion that we need not be in the United Nations for our national security.
dr michael kaufman
It's really always the same.
You go back throughout all of history, the Roman Empire, the Soviet Union, Hitler during the Nazism was always saying that it's going to create utopia for the average person.
dan friesen
Right, so he's just, I mean, I don't even know what that means.
It's just like using examples of things in history.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if you go back through history, they're like, we're going to make a utopia for average people, and then they don't, man.
That's proof.
dan friesen
He's also comparing empires and authoritarian states as one unified thing.
jordan holmes
All the same.
It's every government.
dan friesen
It doesn't track that that is what all things are.
Because there are benign instances of...
jordan holmes
No, if you give three examples, call it all of world history, then you nailed it.
dan friesen
What you're doing here is you're stealthily trying to be anti-government.
Just totally anti-government.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
That's all you're doing.
dr michael kaufman
In fact, history always shows that it does exactly the opposite.
alex jones
Conquest and empire is as old as civilization.
unidentified
Sure.
Babylon, Egypt, and Greece.
alex jones
They all built empire.
Those are the only ones!
Some of them were more successful than others.
dan friesen
One of them, Genghis Khan, was incredibly successful.
You know, one of the big reasons why is because He allowed himself or the Khan Empire to be absorbed by local populations and took them on and allowed their cultural traditions to reign.
But he doesn't want to talk about that.
jordan holmes
Immediately after he killed everybody who refused to join his army.
dan friesen
Sure, sure.
jordan holmes
Yes, there was that.
dan friesen
No, I'm not saying it's perfect.
jordan holmes
He wasn't great at it.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
He was great at what he did.
dan friesen
Yes, yes.
But you know what I'm saying.
Alex doesn't want to talk about other patterns of empires.
jordan holmes
If you are going to try and take over the world, you do it.
Exactly like Genghis did, which is be like, hey, I own this now, but you guys are cool.
You want to join my thing?
We'll all have a great old time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I own this, but you can just keep it the way it is.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I like what you're doing.
dan friesen
It's landlording.
jordan holmes
Fuck it.
I'll wear one of those hats.
That was the crazy thing about Genghis Khan.
Yeah, Genghis Khan would just walk in and be like, that's a great hat.
Let me put that on.
We're all friends.
I'm going to get out of here.
You, you, you are my wives.
You're all dead.
Let's go.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
During the period between the 15th and 19th century, new empires emerged and again waged war for supremacy.
jordan holmes
There's other parts of the world.
alex jones
It's not just white history.
dan friesen
It is to Alex.
alex jones
That's true.
So if Alex just wants to say that, like, banks fund munition businesses and stuff like that, or they have investments in that, like, I'm not going to fight you on that.
jordan holmes
It's strange that he doesn't bring up that many of the weapons were made by the same people.
dan friesen
Right.
Also, this is an instance of Alex having an insert reference here.
alex jones
Sophisticated intelligence gathering networks gave the financiers a clear edge over the governments they were slowly gaining control of.
jordan holmes
If you're not watching this video, when he said sophisticated, it was three paintings of a guy at a door with his hand over his ear like, what's going on here?
dan friesen
Sophisticated.
jordan holmes
Sophisticated.
Doesn't get more sophisticated than a guy with a glass on the door.
dan friesen
Spycraft.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
June 1815, agents of the British arm of the Rothschild family looked on as Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte fought desperately to save his army from the jaws of a British Prussian pincer attack.
A Rothschild agent was able to get the news of Napoleon's defeat at the hands of Lord Wellington to Nathan Rothschild, a full 20 hours before the news reached London.
jordan holmes
Nathan Rothschild looks a little bit like Bozo.
alex jones
Nathan, the head of the British arm of the Rothschild family, put out the rumor to the London Stock Exchange that Napoleon had won the war.
Stocks plunged by 98%, and Rothschild was then able to buy up the entire British economy.
dan friesen
Almost unbelievable.
jordan holmes
Wait, you bought up the entire British economy?
dan friesen
So now, um...
Jordan, we've talked about this a little bit in the past, but I need to tell you the full story of this.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because this, being nine minutes into Alex Jones' documentary, should disqualify everything else he says.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
This is unbelievably bad.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, this is a situation where...
So there's a book that was written by a guy named Professor Brian Cathcart of Kingston University in London.
He wrote a book called The News from Waterloo that breaks down exactly what happened with the events of Nathan de Rothschild.
jordan holmes
Should have called it The Water News.
dan friesen
As it turns out, the entire idea of Nathan de Rothschild having early information about Napoleon's defeat at Waterloo, using said information to crash the stock market, then buying up everything at a reduced price is an absolute instance of anti-Semitic propaganda.
A pamphlet written under the pen name Satan began circulating around Europe.
The pamphlet told the story of how Nathan de Rothschild was physically at Waterloo and saw the crushing of the French army firsthand.
He knew he could use this to his advantage, so he did everything that he could to rush back to England, paying copious amounts of money to a fisherman to take him through a storm to do so.
He manages to arrive in London 24 hours before the news of the French loss and use the information to make 20 million francs.
Satan was the pen name of George Darren Vale, an enemy of the Rothschilds, specifically, and Jews in general.
The pamphlet was written in 1846, and Nathan had died in 1836, so he was not around to deny the claims.
jordan holmes
Is that how he was introduced at parties?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Excuse me?
Yes, the lord over there, yes, he is known as an enemy of Nathan de Rothschild.
And of Jews in general.
dan friesen
He was not a fan of the Jewish population.
Why?
So, even though Nathan had died ten years before this pamphlet was written, it's still possible to look at the claims made and determine if they're false.
It can be proven that Nathan was not at Waterloo.
He was absolutely somewhere else.
And that there was no stock market crash for him to exploit when the news of Napoleon's defeat had come in.
jordan holmes
It seems like that would be really easy to find out.
unidentified
It is.
jordan holmes
Like, don't they have pretty good records of the stock market?
I mean, like, money is a big deal and they like to keep really good records of it.
Especially for a money...
Obsessed society like England at the time.
So I'm assuming...
dan friesen
There's absolutely complete records.
You can find them.
I'll post links to graphs that show the progress of the stock market around the time.
So as pieces of this story from the Satan pamphlet were debunked, the story began to change.
For example, when it was proved that Nathan could not have been at Waterloo that day, the story became that he had a quick messenger who got him the information.
So you get around these little things.
It's much like what Alex did with Loose Change, where when pieces of his Loose Change documentary got debunked, He just changed them into something else.
The evidence that people cite...
jordan holmes
Do you know how many miles he ran?
dan friesen
A marathon?
jordan holmes
You know what I would call it?
I would call it a 26.2.0 marathon.
You know what I'm saying?
Because it was after the original marathon, and then it's also a play on...
dan friesen
And then he collapsed when he got there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's a play on 1776, 2.0.
I'm going to give myself some five points for that.
dan friesen
All right, I'll give you six.
jordan holmes
I'm going to give myself five points for it.
dan friesen
Put that down on the board.
jordan holmes
Putting it on the board.
dan friesen
The evidence that people cite to verify this conspiracy is incredibly thin.
There's a London Courier newspaper article from June 20th, 1815, which is two days after the Battle of Waterloo, which states Rothschild has made great purchases of stock.
However, this is a forgery of the original newspaper.
Those words do not appear in the real surviving copies of the newspaper, but instead originate in the writing of a Scottish historian named Archibald Allison from 1848, two years after the Satan pamphlet circulated.
jordan holmes
A lot of people hate the Jews from all European nations.
Good for them.
dan friesen
There's also a journal entry from 1815, ostensibly from an American visitor to London named James Gallatin.
He writes, quote, At the moment something is decisive one way or the other.
However, in 1957, this diary was exposed as a hoax, created in the late 1800s, well after the Satan pamphlet circulated.
jordan holmes
Even then, that's not a bad, that's not damning evidence, like it's not a bad idea to know as soon as possible how the war turned out.
dan friesen
Sure, and we'll actually get to the reality of it.
jordan holmes
That's a good idea!
dan friesen
So, however, there's one piece of real shit, right?
A month after Waterloo, a bank employee in Paris wrote Nathan a letter that said, I'm informed by a commissary white that you have done well in the early information which you had.
Now, to put that in context...
Fresh evidence has surfaced, which allows us to finally put the story in its proper context.
Newspapers published in the week of Waterloo make it clear that the first person to bring authentic news of the victory at Waterloo to London was not Nathan Rothschild.
Rather, it was a man who had learned of it in a Belgian city called Ghent and made a dash to England.
The shadowy figure...
jordan holmes
He wanted half a bartender in a fight.
unidentified
Yeah, beat up the guy and he's like, Hey, Waterloo!
dan friesen
Get out of here!
This guy was only...
That's suspicious.
It was published in at least three newspapers that afternoon.
We also know that the news report written for one of these papers referred to Nathan Rothschild receiving a letter from Ghent from one of his information sources who had heard Mr. C of Dover talking, reported the victory, and of him passing the news on to the government.
That's the first thing that he did.
Though this was noted alongside reports of two other similar letters that other people who aren't named and vilified by history...
jordan holmes
So it turns out people sent letters.
dan friesen
Yes.
Yes.
jordan holmes
We have proof.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So the question is, did Rothschild have time to buy stocks and shares with this information that he had gotten from a letter from Kent?
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, he went on his E-Trade account.
dan friesen
Apparently.
But in the thin market of the period, it could not have been enough to accumulate holdings sufficient to earn him the millions that the Satan pamphlet wrote about.
jordan holmes
What about the entire British economy?
dan friesen
Yes, he did buy it.
jordan holmes
That was like 30 or 40 bucks?
dan friesen
Nope.
Yeah, yeah.
Inflationary?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Nor did he manipulate the market to double his gains.
For, contrary to legend, there was no slump in stock prices that Wednesday.
Nathan Rothschild may have done well in the purchases of stocks that rose sharply following the confirmation of the victory, but his gains were dwarfed by those of numerous rival investors who, without any advantage of early information, had bought key government securities earlier, more cheaply, and in quantity.
200 years on from the Waterloo, then not much is left of safety.
It's just possible to see the factual elements upon which a vivid myth was built.
jordan holmes
Yeah, C.S. Lewis wrote it way better.
dan friesen
This is just a smear of...
Hates Jews.
jordan holmes
Hates Jews.
dan friesen
So, in 1996, there was this guy named Bill Still.
He made a film called The Money Masters, which retells the story of Nathan Rothschild.
jordan holmes
Who would do that to their kid?
dan friesen
Bill Still?
jordan holmes
Bill Still?
Hey, Bill Still!
dan friesen
Yeah, it's rough.
jordan holmes
Bill, how you moving?
Ah, you staying real still.
dan friesen
He's a slow mover.
So he retells the story of Nathan Rothschild manipulating the British market for his own gain, wherein Bill asserts that Nathan's courier, who brought him the information about Waterloo, was named Ruthworth.
Interestingly, the only historical reference...
jordan holmes
Who names these people?
dan friesen
I'll tell you who names...
jordan holmes
I've read better...
Look, I've read better fantasy novel names than this.
Anne McCaffrey writes dumber names than this.
dan friesen
I'll tell you who named this guy.
jordan holmes
Or writes less dumb names.
dan friesen
Whatever.
The only historical reference you can find for the name Ruthworth in this context is he is the name of the courier character in the 1940 Nazi propaganda film The Rothschild's Share at Waterloo.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Now for an added punchline.
jordan holmes
Always comes back to the Nazis and hating Jews.
dan friesen
Yep.
That's where this narrative that Bill Still made a documentary about came from.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
And here's the final punchline of this.
Alex Jones has had Bill Still on his show multiple times.
jordan holmes
Of course he has!
dan friesen
So this worldview that Alex Jones has espoused right here, nine minutes into his documentary, is freshly out of Nazi propaganda.
So, also, there's no major crash in 1815 in the European market.
Nathan made purchases in July 1815 after a very slight dip in the market.
Then he bought again in October 1815 after the price went up a bit.
Then bought 600,000 pounds worth of shares on October 1816.
Then finally sold in November 1817.
Thereby netting himself a profit of about 40% in the course of 30 months.
jordan holmes
That's still great!
That's a good return!
That's a good return on your investment!
dan friesen
But it's not nearly...
jordan holmes
No, it's the entire British economy.
dan friesen
But it's not nearly the kind of thing that these people present.
And all of that information is available.
You can find all of it.
This is some of the easiest stuff to debunk.
It's right there.
And this is perpetuated through years just because of the desire to scapegoat.
jordan holmes
I bet Alex kind of still doesn't believe that they had newspapers back then.
dan friesen
Probably.
Wait a second.
jordan holmes
Wait, where did you get that?
You got that from a newspaper in 1815?
unidentified
They didn't even invent those until the 20s, man!
dan friesen
Didn't come around until the cotton gin.
Wait, I'm thinking of that other guy who made an invention that we learned about in elementary school.
Anyway, Alex Jones is repeating very clear Nazi propaganda from a 1940 film by Joseph Goebbels.
Congratulations, Alex.
alex jones
When the news of Napoleon's defeat finally arrived, stocks soared.
Britain was now the undisputed ruler of Europe.
And Rothschild ruled England.
The already dominant British Empire grew even more aggressive.
dan friesen
They did.
alex jones
Her troops and bureaucracy spread across the globe.
The sun never set on Britannia's holdings.
dr michael kaufman
This is really bad.
jordan holmes
This is a really bad documentary.
dr michael kaufman
Since about 1800, they have funded both sides of almost every war.
And of course...
They're getting the interest off of the loans that they've given the various governments and the wars that they have actually helped stimulate and create.
dan friesen
Real quick, I want to just pause again there real quick to really put a button on what they're saying.
Like, the idea that there are banks that make a profit off of selling and investing in munitions companies and stuff like that is very real, and that's something that needs to be dealt with.
jordan holmes
Maybe the munitions company should probably be talked about, too.
dan friesen
Yes, absolutely.
jordan holmes
You think those guys should probably have a good talk about that?
dan friesen
They don't want to talk about that.
jordan holmes
Oh, they don't want to talk about how the guns are also part...
Like, you know, when you're fighting a war, yes, money is important, but also the guns do a lot of the...
A lot of the killing part.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Like, maybe we should take the guns.
Then the banks couldn't invest in them, and then we wouldn't have those.
dan friesen
I agree with you principally, but the thing that I wanted to bring up is the effect of what they're doing is pitching this narrative wherein the two belligerent actors in a war aren't really to blame.
It's these not-Jewish banks who are manipulating them into fighting so they can be put into debt or whatever.
And I just want to be super clear about this.
This is out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This is other anti-Semitic propaganda that is now being spread by Michael Kaufman on this documentary.
unidentified
Man!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
People got to let up on the Jews.
dan friesen
It would be nice.
alex jones
By 1900, Germany was a rising force and a leader.
dan friesen
Oh, also that thing about the banks funding both sides of wars.
It's another instance of, insert reference here.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
Of the Industrial Revolution.
dr michael kaufman
World War I, for instance, there was absolutely no reason to have World War I. What?
Except that it was an ideal opportunity for the banking cartel to make a pile of money by funding both sides of that particular war.
jordan holmes
So there was no reason to have World War I at all.
alex jones
On June 28, 1914, the heir to the Austrian-Hungarian throne, Archduke Franz Ferdinand, was assassinated while traveling in a motorbike.
jordan holmes
Great hats!
Oh, is this the video of him getting assassinated?
dan friesen
I'm pausing it right here because I want you to take very keen notice of this picture.
jordan holmes
A lot of hats.
dan friesen
A lot of hats.
So real quick, I'll just tell you this while this picture is on screen because it's fun.
jordan holmes
Dangerously close to Fez's.
dan friesen
The assassin of Archduke Franz Ferdinand is named Gavrilo Princip.
And we'll talk about him a little bit.
But that's not him.
dr michael kaufman
No.
dan friesen
Alex thinks that's him.
jordan holmes
That's Christian Bale from the Newsies.
dan friesen
Yeah.
This is actually a very famous mistake that a lot of people have made.
That photo is not Gavrilo Princip.
This is from a book called The Trigger, Hunting the Assassin Who Brought the World to War by Tim Butcher.
The picture is not Gavrilo Princip.
It fits so well with the narrative of a desperate assassin that countless historians, reporters, broadcasters, and filmmakers have claimed that the subject is Princip.
It is not.
The subject of the picture is actually an innocent bystander, a man named Ferdinand Baer, who was caught up in the sweep of arrests following the shooting.
This is very easy to find in the fact that Alex Jones is presenting it in here as Princip is embarrassing.
alex jones
A Black Hand, a Serbian secret society with connections to French and British intelligence, took credit.
unidentified
Pew!
dan friesen
Pew!
jordan holmes
What was that?
Who left that in there?
Who left the fucking Star Wars?
unidentified
Pew!
dan friesen
Alex's only reference for this in his bibliography is the Wikipedia page for Black Hand.
Which is not good.
That's not going to cut it.
jordan holmes
No, that counts.
dan friesen
So the Black Hand was a group that was responsible for committing regicide in the early 1900s.
jordan holmes
And also, if you received a Black Hand in the post, you would be killed by pirates, right?
unidentified
I believe so, yeah.
jordan holmes
I believe that was the way it worked.
dan friesen
So most of the claims that the Black Hand was deeply involved in the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand come from testimony provided in the treason trial against Serbian military intelligence chief Dragutin Dmitrijevic.
who historians believe was exaggerating the role that the black hand Yeah,
seep and his accomplices with some weapons and allowed them to travel freely to uh sarajevo gavrilo and his crew were the ones who planned it and they were not part of some massive international conspiracy so it was more like they just went to them to buy guns yeah they were motivated by a hatred of the austro-hungarian empire who had been oppressing and destroying their homeland not unreasonable the situation in late 1800s early 1900s was a complete mess in the
Never heard that story before?
Never.
Never.
At the time of Princip, the South Slavs had recently been part of the Ottoman Empire, but their land had been taken over by the Austro-Hungarian Empire in the 1870s.
Meanwhile, Serbia had gained its independence from the Ottoman Empire in the late 1860s and had abolished feudalism.
So it sat there as like this shining example of self-rule that was possible if only one fought for it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you gotta knock that down.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Can't be having none of that.
dan friesen
So Gavrilo Princip grew up in a small town, a very small town in a feudal situation.
He was a serf in a family of serfs.
They were completely oppressed.
Everyone was miserable.
jordan holmes
Right.
So it seems like he should just have been happy with his lot.
dan friesen
Sure.
Just write a song about it.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Come on.
jordan holmes
Come on.
dan friesen
So as a Bosnian Serb, he thought that the oppression he experienced was all because of his ethnic identity.
jordan holmes
Probably not wrong.
dan friesen
He thought that it was like, I'm a Bosnian Serb.
This is what ends up happening to folks like us.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
However, he ended up going away to school in Sarajevo.
And in order to get there, he had to make a long footpath to get to a...
jordan holmes
We can't let those small-town people outside.
They'll see the world.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Then we'll all get in trouble.
dan friesen
So as he traveled the country on foot in order to reach the train that would take him to Sarajevo, where he went on to get an education, he witnessed the feudal plight of all of the neighboring communities, be they Croat, Serb, or Muslim.
jordan holmes
Feudal and feudal.
dan friesen
Exactly.
Everyone's plight was connected and was the result of the oligarchs, the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
In college, he met with a bunch of radicals, and having witnessed the relative freedom of Sarajevo, they planned to free their homes from the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And they did.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They succeeded.
jordan holmes
It's very similar to what...
alex jones
It's terrible.
jordan holmes
It's very similar to what we do now, except if we had now technology back then, I think he would have a pretty solid podcast.
dan friesen
I don't...
I don't...
Perhaps.
I don't support what he did.
I think assassinating a leader is still wrong, but it is fascinating to look at, like, you have one kid from a small town who went, got radicalized, assassinated a leader, triggered a world war that ended up being so mishandled it led to a second world war.
Right.
It's insane, the chain of events that were set in place by just oppressing one family.
Or, I guess, oppressing an entire population.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was going to say, there you go.
dan friesen
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
I think it's more interesting...
Because it clearly shows how these massive machinations that were most likely going to wind up exploding into war sooner or later.
The system before World War I was not tenable.
It's not like, oh man, everything's going on perfectly and then this guy throws a little wrench in there.
He was just the match on a massive tinderbox.
That's how that worked.
But it is still cool that...
One guy is that match.
You know, it's like, holy shit!
It was just this one dude who...
Picked the right day?
dan friesen
It's the difference.
jordan holmes
And it's a whole comedy of errors the way that they wound up actually successfully killing him in the first place.
Like, it's bananas.
dan friesen
Some guy threw a bomb and didn't work.
Another guy's gun didn't work.
jordan holmes
It was a free-for-all where people are just running around and that was the time where you could just assassinate a guy.
dan friesen
It was like a group of six people who all fucked up except him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there was no JFK super plan where you hide up there.
It was three stooges.
Just assassinate the king!
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, you take away the horrors of World War I that are associated with it.
There is a, like...
There is a humorous aspect to the visual.
jordan holmes
No, when this thing happened, if you played Yakety Sax behind it, it would be exactly the same.
dan friesen
We've got to move along.
I'm judging myself here.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
What are we on?
Oh, man, we're on an hour and ten already.
Holy shit.
dan friesen
Not quite, I don't think, but Jesus Christ.
unidentified
Holy shit.
jordan holmes
All right, here we go.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
So, judging by our rate of speed right now...
dan friesen
This is going to be a...
unidentified
It's going to be 26 hours.
jordan holmes
All right, we've got to move through this.
dan friesen
We might not be able to do this in one sitting.
jordan holmes
We might not be able to do this in a week.
dan friesen
We might not be able to do this, period.
alex jones
World War I had begun.
dan friesen
Oh, also, just real quick, neither him nor Michael Kaufman ever proves any of the things that they're asserting about World War I being specifically to get countries into debt and control them.
That's not in the bibliography anywhere, it's just asserted.
jordan holmes
Also, if it was, the aftermath of World War I would prove that was a terrible idea because of that idea that we put everybody into debt caused World War II.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, the reason that we didn't have a World War III was actually more likely because we forgave so much debt that the Germans and the Japanese had accrued over the time and said, you know what?
We're going to do a clean slate.
You guys start over, and in fact, we're going to help you rebuild.
It turns out that if you want to not fight world wars, you don't...
Punish the people who had nothing to fucking do with it.
It's not like the German people are like, oh, sanctions are really working out to keep us from fighting a war.
The opposite happened.
Anyways, hour six and a half of this.
This is just Saving Private Ryan.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is just when the movie turns into Saving Private Ryan.
alex jones
That's the next hour.
Armaments companies financed by Rothschild-controlled banks in Germany, France, England, and Austria.
dan friesen
In the bibliography.
Insert reference mute.
unidentified
Hehehe.
Hehehe.
alex jones
At least 20 million were killed in the war.
It was a conflict so terrible, the people vowed to never fight again.
jordan holmes
They did it!
alex jones
They dubbed it the War to End All Wars.
unidentified
Part 1. The question is, why did they want war?
dr michael kaufman
Well, first of all, it's money and power.
But secondly, they wanted to create the League of Nations.
They had this in their plans all along, and as a consequence...
Once the war was over or about to be over, they begin to formulate this idea of a League of Nations.
jordan holmes
This guy looks like Lou Dobbs.
dr michael kaufman
This will never, ever happen again.
jordan holmes
I don't trust him.
dan friesen
Hundreds of years of practice.
Also, just real quick, he's asserting that the World War I was committed in order to form the League of Nations.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's no citation of this.
It's just something that he's asserting.
The complex world that was going on pre-World War I and all of the many factors that led to the tragedy of a very unnecessary world war, it's insulting to them to say, like, no, it was just a bunch of weird elites wanted a League of Nations.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because that's not the case.
Also, the citation that Alex has for the League of Nations is just the Encarta page for the League of Nations.
jordan holmes
Perfect.
alex jones
...their empire behind puppet governments and councils.
In the name of stopping all future conflicts, they proposed that countries would join a League of Nations.
unidentified
Their true intention was for the League to serve as a framework for world government.
alex jones
President Woodrow Wilson, who had spearheaded the establishment of the private Federal Reserve System in the United States in 1913, strongly supported the establishment of the League of Nations.
dr michael kaufman
Woodrow Wilson was a very naive president.
He was basically a college professor that was grafted into this whole system.
dan friesen
Fuck yourself.
Look, Woodrow Wilson sucks, but that presentation of him is insulting.
Because, look, the things you can't take away from him...
He was a professor of political science at Princeton.
Second...
He was the president of Princeton, which is a political position, from 1902 to 1910.
Further, he was the governor of New Jersey from 1911 to 1913 before becoming president.
If the claim is that he was just a professor who got drafted to be the president, it doesn't match.
He has a political background.
jordan holmes
It matches up with an apocryphal story about Woodrow Wilson, wherein a campaign manager-type fella is walking down the street and he sees him and he says, You look like...
dan friesen
The only president in the entire history of our government who has no experience serving in a publicly elected position is Trump.
alex jones
The League convened in Paris in 1919, but many nations...
jordan holmes
Eisenhower wasn't elected.
dan friesen
I misspoke.
unidentified
I was going to say.
dan friesen
Publicly elected official or government, military.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I was going to say.
dan friesen
Sorry.
alex jones
...recognized it as a threat to their sovereignty and refused to join.
jordan holmes
Mike wouldn't have forgotten that.
dan friesen
So real quick, you just said there that many countries saw the League of Nations as a threat to their sovereignty and refused to join.
The only countries that I can find that didn't join that were relevant are the United States, the USSR, and Germany.
And none of them were because of threats to sovereignty.
The U.S. didn't join because of the prevailing attitude after World War I. Don't get involved!
Isolationism!
jordan holmes
Leave us alone!
dan friesen
Non-interventionism was the word.
jordan holmes
We moved...
We're oceans away from you assholes, so we didn't have to keep fighting these wars.
dan friesen
No one wanted to be interested in European affairs in the United States.
They're like, fuck it, we support this, but you could do it.
I don't want to be a part of this.
jordan holmes
Everybody was treating Europe like a French arthouse film.
dan friesen
Great, but I don't want to see it.
Here the reviews are good.
jordan holmes
I'll watch it later.
dan friesen
The USSR didn't join because they were a totalitarian government and were not invited.
They would be added to the League later, but were kicked out in 1939 because they invaded Finland.
As for Germany, the rest of the world blamed Germany for starting World War I, so of course they weren't allowed to join the League of Nations when it was formed after World War I. Which was a bad idea!
They were admitted in 1926, but Hitler withdrew in 1933, shortly after he became Chancellor, and we know where that went.
jordan holmes
Oh, so, oh man.
So if you have, like, an authoritarian leader...
Right.
And he's like, what we need to do is get away from all of these international treaties and all of this stuff.
And we need to make sure that we're not...
In any way responsible for their actions or anything like that, usually that's like a power grab and then it will eventually be pushed outwards, right?
dan friesen
It's typically move one in a multi-move scenario.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You're doing something else after.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's a start point.
dan friesen
Generally speaking.
Gotcha.
Either you try and get away with it while involved, like Russia did with invading Finland.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Or you get out ahead of time.
jordan holmes
and then you start some shit.
alex jones
Frustrated by the U.S. Congress blocking the League of Nations, British intelligence, with the help of the Rockefeller family, set up the Council on Foreign Relations in New York City in 1921.
The Council recruited the best and brightest of American life to support the growth of the Anglo-American Empire.
The CFR's stated mission is to abolish all nation states in favor of an all-powerful world government.
jordan holmes
Where did they state that?
dan friesen
They didn't.
Their stated purpose is very different.
jordan holmes
It seems like a weird stated mission.
Is that like front page of their website?
dan friesen
No.
Actually, their stated purpose on their website is very clear.
The Council on Foreign Relations is an independent, nonpartisan membership organization, think tank, and publisher dedicated to being a resource for its members, government officials, business executives, journalists, educators, students, civic and religious leaders, and other interested citizens in order to help them better understand the world and the foreign policy choices facing the United States and other countries.
jordan holmes
Right, but what about the fine print?
dan friesen
Founded in 1921.
CFR takes no institutional positions on matters of policy.
CFR carries out its mission by maintaining a diverse membership, including special programs to promote interest and develop expertise into the next generation of foreign policy leaders.
They go on to explain that after the difficult negotiations of the 1919 Paris Peace Conference, a group of diplomats, financiers, generals, and lawyers concluded that Americans needed to be better prepared for significant responsibilities and decisions in world affairs and sought to be that educational voice.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So there's also, I'm not going to read this whole thing because it's super long.
jordan holmes
So where did they say no more governments, one world?
Government.
dan friesen
They don't say that.
jordan holmes
No fine print?
dan friesen
And actually...
jordan holmes
Like, because I've signed a lease before, and it turns out that they were telling me that there were no governments.
So I just want to be sure that there's no fine print on this.
dan friesen
Well, one of the things that really scares a lot of these conspiracy weirdos like Alex about this, like, destroying borders and uniting one-world government, is they often cite this 2006 op-ed posted on the CFR's own website, written by the president of the council himself, Richard Haas.
The basic argument is as follows.
The world's 190 plus states now coexist with a larger number of powerful non-sovereign and at least partly And often largely independent actors ranging from corporations to non-governmental organizations, from terrorist groups to drug cartels, from regional and global institutions to banks and private equity funds.
The sovereign state is influenced by them, for better and for worse, as much as it is able to influence them itself.
The near monopoly of power once enjoyed by sovereign states is being eroded.
Not by some sort of evil, nefarious plan, but just by the rising power of...
jordan holmes
International corporations.
dan friesen
Well, inasmuch as we're able to communicate better, there's a freer flow of literally everything across the entire world, and it takes away from the power of states to be able to...
jordan holmes
Which is why countries like China and Russia and North Korea struggle so hard to keep the outside internet from being in.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
Because if you start to see around the world...
dan friesen
Or if you let your people go overseas and experience it themselves, like what happened with Gavrilo Princip going to Sarajevo.
So he goes on, he talks a bit about this idea of needing to redefine what a lot of our national ideas are.
This is a quote from his op-ed.
Our notion of sovereignty must therefore be conditional, even contractual rather than obsolete.
If a state fails to live up to its side of the bargain by sponsoring terrorism, either transferring or using weapons of mass destruction or conducting genocide, then it forfeits the normal benefits of sovereignty and opens itself up to attack, removal, or occupation.
The diplomatic challenge for this era is to gain widespread support for principles of state conduct and a procedure for determining remedies when these principles are violated.
The goal should be to redefine sovereignty for an era of globalization, to find a balance between a world of fully sovereign states and an international system of either world government or anarchy.
The basic idea of sovereignty, which still provides a useful constraint on violence between states, needs to be preserved, but the concept needs to be adapted to a world in which the main challenges to order come from what global forces do to states and what governments do to states.
That's a very, very reasonable position put out very clearly by the leader of the Council on Foreign Relations.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Does not want to destroy state sovereignty, wants a greater understanding of the world we live in.
jordan holmes
Now, then again, I suppose the question to ask after that, though, would be, what is the logical endpoint of that train of thought?
And I think it is world government.
dan friesen
I think it's world governance to some extent.
jordan holmes
Right, but I mean, it's like with the United States.
dan friesen
But world government is a sort of broad enough concept that there are really benign versions of it.
And there's really non-intrusive ways for sovereignty of states to be retained within a world government.
jordan holmes
Agreed.
unidentified
But they're all kind of stupid, though.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Like with the United States, it's all very stupid.
We're all flawed humans.
It doesn't make any goddamn sense what we're doing.
dan friesen
Right, because it's humans implementing it.
jordan holmes
I am saying that I want to go to war with Indiana.
I think it's time that Illinois took back our fucking rightful land.
dan friesen
We want Gary!
jordan holmes
From Gary, Indiana.
That motherfucker Gary stole our land immediately after he found out that Napoleon had lost at Waterloo.
It's time we took it back.
dan friesen
I agree.
Well, look, I mean, you're making a demonstration of the point, and I agree with you.
jordan holmes
It's stupid.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's nonsense.
There's a way for those ideas to be merged into one, and again, it comes down to execution as opposed to conception.
Conception is good, I just don't trust any of these people to execute it.
jordan holmes
If you have people who know what they're doing, usually...
You have a good idea that they implement and it works out well.
If you have people who don't know what they're doing trying to implement a good idea, it doesn't go well.
If you have people who know what they're doing trying to implement a bad idea, usually it goes exactly the way that they want it to.
The problem is, generally speaking, the people who know what they're doing are usually trying to go the bad way.
They're the ones who are using that knowledge against us.
And the people who want to help, usually stupid.
dan friesen
Or they're being held back by too many stupid people yelling that they're wrong.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Anyway.
alex jones
Administered by a tiny elite.
By 1930, the promoters of war...
jordan holmes
We just skipped.
We just yada yada'd a lot of times.
alex jones
The Fabian Socialist centered in London and the Fascist based in Italy and Germany.
dan friesen
So if you understand what he just said, he said by 1930, this powerful world-controlling group had split into the Fabian Socialists, the Fabian Society, and fascists in Europe.
That's poppycock.
jordan holmes
No, but you remember the famous fight that they had?
dan friesen
No, I don't.
I somehow missed this in my research.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
No, no, no.
He's saying this is a false split.
dan friesen
He's saying they're still working together, but it's a fake split.
Anyway, go ahead.
jordan holmes
They had a big public dust-up.
It was like, have you ever seen Fast and Furious 5?
Fast 5?
Love them.
No, it was in the last one, where he's like...
dan friesen
Fate of the Furies?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I can't be with my family anymore.
I gotta go rogue.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
Do that whole thing.
And then he does the thing.
And Hitler is Vin Diesel in this scenario, I believe.
Who's the rock?
Churchill?
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So, what's interesting is that Alex's citation for this point in the documentary is just two Encarta pages for the Fabian socialists and for fascism.
jordan holmes
I am still never going to get over the fact that you keep saying it's Encarta.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's crazy.
So irresponsible.
So now this idea that they came from the same...
jordan holmes
It's two National Geographic photos of Hitler.
dan friesen
The idea that they came from the same place is so stupid.
It's such nonsense.
Because the Fabian Society is actually really interesting.
They formed as a splinter group out of this group called the Fellowship of New Life.
jordan holmes
That sounds culty.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
That sounds super culty.
dan friesen
It's my kind of cult, though.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So the Fellowship was an organization founded in 1883 that sought the cultivation of the perfect character in each and all.
They advocated for pacifism and vegetarianism.
jordan holmes
God, I wish those two didn't go together so often.
Just give me the pacifism!
Don't give me this can't-eat-animals-with-faces bullshit.
dan friesen
I like meat.
So from an 1883 meeting articulating their goal, quote, We, recognizing the evils and wrongs that must beset men so long as our social life is based upon selfishness, rivalry, and ignorance, and desiring above all things to supplant it by a love based upon unselfishness, Love and wisdom unite for the purpose of realizing the higher life among ourselves and of inducing and enabling others to do the same.
And we now form ourselves into a society to be called the guild or fellowship of the new God, that sounds a lot like cosplay.
Yeah.
Very libertine.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, I'm listening to them describe themselves, and I get exactly what they are.
dan friesen
So the Fellowship of New Life was very strictly about internal transformation of the individual.
So when some members wanted to get involved in politics and external affairs, it was decided that they needed to start a new group to do that, and that was where the Fabian Society started, which ended up being the Fabian Socialists.
jordan holmes
You know what's fascinating?
dan friesen
Conversely, Italian fascism started when Benito Mussolini was kicked out of the Socialists.
Society and became a fascist.
jordan holmes
Because he was too busy being a fascist!
dan friesen
He became very, very incredibly nationalist, and his fascism went along with that.
And the Nazis grew out of the German Workers' Party, who were, from the jump, a bigoted, anti-Semitic, virulently nationalistic organization.
They hated the Socialist Democratic Party of Germany as well as the Communist Party of Germany.
They thought they were fighting Bolshevism and international Jewry.
By the time Hitler joined up, they were fully anti-democratic, anti-Marxist, anti-liberal organization.
Over Hitler's own objections, the party changed its name to the National Socialist German Workers Party, specifically in order to trick left-wing workers into supporting them.
Most of the riots.
Duh.
unidentified
But people need to.
dan friesen
Duh.
unidentified
Some people are stupid.
dan friesen
They just hear socialists.
jordan holmes
They still say, oh, you know what?
The Nazis were socialists.
unidentified
And you're like, goddammit, you're the dumb people that they tricked.
dan friesen
And it's amazing that it's still effective.
unidentified
Of course it is.
dan friesen
After all of the debunking that has been done.
But that's the point that Alex is trying to make, is that both of these groups have their roots in the same socialism, and that's not true at all.
jordan holmes
Well, I think we've got our perfect example for why this shit still happens and continues to happen.
It is because the smart people who are...
Going all out, we're trying to transform ourselves.
We're trying to make the world a better place.
unidentified
Fabian socialists.
jordan holmes
We're trying to do all of this stuff.
dan friesen
Fabian society people.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Did you see how many fucking words they used to try and say that?
dan friesen
Yeah, quite a few.
jordan holmes
And then who's on the other side?
The Nazis.
What did the Nazis describe themselves as?
dan friesen
They yelled.
jordan holmes
We hate Jews!
dan friesen
Right, they just yelled a lot.
jordan holmes
Who has got a simpler, more easy-to-communicate message?
dan friesen
You're right, it is concise.
jordan holmes
That's our issue!
Smart people have always, anytime we have a society like this, like, why can't we start a knowledge-fight society that's just like, don't be a dick!
dan friesen
Just two-minute podcast?
jordan holmes
Yeah, like, hey, stop, here's my mission statement.
For my life.
Before you do something, stop.
Think for two seconds.
Am I being a dick?
And if you are, don't do it.
dan friesen
We should just put out an episode that's just Alex is lying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Andy in Kansas.
jordan holmes
Alex is lying.
unidentified
Anyway.
National socialism will use its own revolution for establishing a new world order.
dan friesen
Adolf Hitler.
So this is fun.
Did he even say that?
In the bibliography it says, insert here citation for the quote, which they can't do because this is a fake quote.
I looked into it.
jordan holmes
Of course it is.
dan friesen
This is absolutely a fake quote.
unidentified
Of course it is.
jordan holmes
That doesn't sound like him at all.
dan friesen
Nope, it's not a real quote.
Alex is just reporting a meme.
This is a meme.
jordan holmes
Great, great.
alex jones
Supporters of the fascists in the United States and England believed that the military should be used to quickly transform the world into a new world war.
dan friesen
That's not the definition of fascism.
alex jones
All the more sophisticated practitioners of liberalism stated that incrementalism was the sure path to world domination.
jordan holmes
That's not how socialism works either!
dan friesen
He's not asserting that, though.
jordan holmes
Again, if you're not watching this, which, God love ya.
dan friesen
Fascism is fast, socialism is slow.
That's basically what he's saying.
jordan holmes
It's not how that works.
dan friesen
But that could just be this film stock.
He might not be actually asserting that.
He might just be using that.
jordan holmes
He put it in his documentary.
dan friesen
He definitely did.
Okay, fine.
In that case, he's a dick.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
I don't like any of those words next to each other.
unidentified
Major General Smedley Darlington Butler.
alex jones
The war hero testified to the McCormick-Dickstein committee in Congress that some of the most powerful men in America had tried to recruit him to lead a military coup so they could set up national socialism in the United States.
unidentified
The End I appeared before the congressional committee The highest representation of the American people under subpoena to tell what I knew of activities which I believe might lead to an attempt to set up a fascist dictatorship.
I was supposed to lead an organization of 500,000 men which would be able to take over the functions of government.
dan friesen
So you want to know something fun?
jordan holmes
He smokes four packs of cigarettes a day?
dan friesen
It appears that he wasn't lying.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, no, no.
I think I've heard about this one.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
The Wall Street plot.
unidentified
Yes, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
The one to take over fucking...
No, no, no, no.
I totally remember this guy.
This is the guy who may or may not have been telling the truth about the plot to fucking murder FDR.
dan friesen
Not murder him, necessarily.
jordan holmes
And perform the coup, yeah.
dan friesen
Depose him and put him in a ceremonial position.
jordan holmes
And do you know why they fucking did that?
Do you know why they did that?
Because he was trying to implement actual socialism.
dan friesen
Well, and they wanted the gold standard to come back.
jordan holmes
Well, who doesn't?
Well, yeah, but that's a reasonable part of it.
dan friesen
So Smedley Butler was approached by two dudes named Gerald McGuire and Bill Doyle, who are members of the American Legion, who were trying to enlist him on behalf of Wall Street financiers who hated FDR.
They started by appealing to him, because he was a veteran, that they were like, we want you to give a speech to the American Legion convention.
But Butler got suspicious when the speech they wanted him to give was mostly about how they needed to bring back the gold standard.
So he's like, hey, that doesn't seem like what we need to tell these veterans.
jordan holmes
Guys, wait, what?
dan friesen
He got really suspicious, so he strung them along and insisted on meeting the bank roller of their operation.
We met him, and it's a guy named Robert Sterling Clark, who is the heir to the Singer sewing machine fortune.
Clark was concerned about the destruction of the economy, and he said that he was willing to spend 15 of his $30 million to save the other 15. That's not good math.
jordan holmes
That's not good math.
dan friesen
Clark paid this Gerald Maguire to go to Europe and look into the political climate there in 1933.
He was particularly impressed by the Italian fascists and how they merged business with government.
jordan holmes
Hey, when he came back, when he came back, Dan, when he came back, do you know what he said?
dan friesen
What did he say?
jordan holmes
Dan, when he came back, do you know what he said?
He said, show me the money!
dan friesen
Yeah.
Oh, I get it.
That took me a second.
It's spelled different.
That's why.
That's why.
unidentified
Not that I'm an idiot.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
I am going to...
dan friesen
So it was finally revealed to Butler...
jordan holmes
That's another five points for me.
dan friesen
Oh, that seems unfair.
So it was finally revealed to Butler that the real reason they were approaching him was that they wanted him to lead an attachment of 500,000 veterans to Washington to overthrow FDR.
He did not go along with it, instead reported the plot to Congress.
In their investigation, the House found that it appeared that his testimony was credible, but there was no evidence whatsoever that merited anything further than compelling McGuire.
to testify, at which point he denied everything.
No one was charged and the House Committee refused to subpoena many of the other people alleged to be involved because their involvement was based on hearsay and second-hand information at best.
So it's a really interesting moment in American history, but the more you look at it, the more it looks like the opposite of what Alex thinks it is.
jordan holmes
It's in fact the exact opposite of what Alex thinks it is.
dan friesen
This was in theory a coup planned by rich business interests, specifically because they feared socialism and communism in the form of FDR.
jordan holmes
Maguire told a reporter, quote, So it's a plan by the fucking globalists!
dan friesen
Well, Maguire told a reporter, quote, Of Alex Jones' fake countercoup that the Patriots did to try and put Trump into power, which puts him on the exact wrong side of this.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
He's the Maguire of this, not the Smedley Butler.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I really find that incident in history really, really interesting.
Because most times when you have a story like that, it gets investigated and it turns out there's nothing to this.
Right.
For it to be like...
Oh, no, that's a real thing.
jordan holmes
No, Smedley Butler won the Congressional Medal of Honor.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's not coming out there like a half-cocked Alex Jones guest.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, Jesse Ventura was the governor of a state.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but he didn't win any fucking medals.
dan friesen
That's fair.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
He won the Hell in a Cell match.
dan friesen
One time.
I don't know if he did that.
jordan holmes
I don't know if he did either.
alex jones
Fascists had also made deep inroads in England.
Edward VIII, King of England, was forced to advocate the throne because of his public support for Hitler.
dan friesen
This isn't true.
He was forced to abdicate because he wanted to marry a woman named Wallace Sampson, who was an American socialite who had been previously divorced twice, and that was not allowed.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Because as the king, Edward was the monarch, and that is the official head of the Church of England.
At the time, the Church of England had a policy that divorced people can't get remarried unless their ex-spouse was dead.
So it would have been bigamy if the two of them would have been married in the church's eyes.
So everyone was against it.
The Prime Minister Stanley Baldwin told Edward that if he...
We went against the public's wishes and married Wallace anyway.
Much of the government would resign in protest.
So on December 10th, 1936, Edward abdicated the throne formally.
On June 3rd, 1937, a month after her divorce was finalized, he married Wallace Simpson because he fucking loved her.
They stayed married till he died.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
They were together anyway.
jordan holmes
No, I saw a little bit of Netflix's The Queen or whatever it is.
dan friesen
Now, here's the unfortunate part.
jordan holmes
No, he's totally...
No, no, absolutely.
I know he was a Nazi.
Don't worry.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He became the Duke of Windsor after he stepped down.
His brother granted him a title.
But he was definitely a Nazi.
But that really only came to the surface after he had actually abdicated.
In late 1937, he visited Germany and met Hitler at the Ober Salzburg resort.
It appears that at the meeting, he was convinced by Hitler that it was in everyone's best interest to side with the Nazis over the communists, and there was nothing to be gained by sitting out and waiting for one side to destroy the other.
However, it's clear that he was never a, quote, full Nazi.
He took residence in France, and in 1940, when the Nazis invaded France, he and Wallace fled to Portugal.
He never rose past having pro-Nazi inclinations, which is horrible on its own, but it wasn't the reason he abdicated.
The reason people think this is the case is because the situation seems so bizarre that someone would step down as the king because they loved someone and wanted to marry them.
Right.
But that's just a stupid thought process.
jordan holmes
Which is fascinating to look back at this.
Because we're not at all close to it.
And just go through the list of dumb shit that happened.
Like, okay, he can't get married to this girl, this lady, because he was divorced.
dan friesen
No, she was.
jordan holmes
She was divorced.
unidentified
Twice.
Right.
jordan holmes
She was divorced twice.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And so, that doesn't make any sense.
That's silly.
dan friesen
Of course you can.
You watch old episodes of Happy Days and they talk about divorcees being hot to trot and stay away from them.
That lingered for years after this.
jordan holmes
Why can't he do this?
This is in the 30s.
Because he was going to be the king of England.
Now, why is he the king of England?
Who gives a shit?
Why can't he do that if he's the king of England?
Because technically, according to magical beliefs, the king is also the head of the church, which...
Why would you give a shit about that anyways?
The reason that the king is the head of the church was because of getting married to a divorced bitch.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
Like, what is going on?
dan friesen
All of this stuff is so stupid.
I never thought about that.
jordan holmes
It's banana stupid.
dan friesen
It's so circular.
jordan holmes
It's ridiculous.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
And all of this made perfect sense to people at the time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, to the point where they would threaten to quit the government en masse.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Okay.
dan friesen
Hold on.
I think you're working something out.
This is a beautiful mind moment.
jordan holmes
I'm furious.
We're not going to get through an hour of this.
I know.
Okay.
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
I want to hear that thought.
jordan holmes
It's just so stupid that the reason that the king is the head of the Church of England is because he wanted to do worse crimes than what the king had to step down.
These people are so stupid.
dan friesen
It's pretty wild.
jordan holmes
Religion is dumb.
dan friesen
But, I mean, you take the Nazi piece out of it, which is a big problem.
jordan holmes
And Sandra Boakley is still a good actress.
If you take the nuts and bolts out of it, wait.
dan friesen
So, like, that wasn't why he abdicated.
And at the point of abdication, like, legitimately, it's a beautiful idea that he did love her enough that he was like, fine.
I don't need to be king.
Fuck this.
jordan holmes
Also...
It's a smart idea, too.
He didn't want to be king.
dan friesen
Yeah, it didn't seem like he did.
No.
He wanted to fuck around.
It seemed like the role of being king was very confining, and his personality was not well-suited to that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He was a bit of a gadfly.
It's probably for the best in history.
jordan holmes
He was a bit of a man about town, so to speak.
dan friesen
A little bit of a dick swinger.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, he was a Nazi-ish, but that wasn't why he stepped down.
jordan holmes
Also, that's the weirdest part.
Why do these people believe that if he were a Nazi, he would have to step down?
dan friesen
That's crazy.
jordan holmes
Because being a Nazi would have been totally fine if he was the king and he wasn't banging somebody who had been divorced.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
If he was just a Nazi, everybody would have been like, oh, okay.
Well, I guess we're all Nazis then.
dan friesen
Well, it would have been fine up to a point.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Also, they're all related to each other.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You know, like all of the...
Fucking rich British royalty are related to all the other rich everywhere else royalty.
They can all fucking die.
Who gives a shit?
unidentified
I don't know.
Oh, I'm Hitler.
jordan holmes
No subtitles, by the way.
He's just presenting a German speech with no idea of what it says.
alex jones
Maybe the socialist block was able to maintain control.
dan friesen
Stretch it out a little.
jordan holmes
What was that?
dan friesen
Still in time.
alex jones
In the buildup of World War II, and during the conflict, the bankers again financed both sides, just as they had done with Napoleon.
unidentified
No one will.
No one will.
Huh.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah.
Gonna Nazi.
unidentified
Gonna Nazi.
alex jones
For the rise and fall of the Third Reich, Europe lay in ruins.
dan friesen
A lot of it did.
It's true.
Can't fault him there.
jordan holmes
A lot of B-roll.
A lot of B-roll footage on this.
dan friesen
Yeah, a lot of public domain B-roll.
See, this is what I'm talking about.
There's so much filler.
alex jones
Once again, the elite claimed that only global governance could save humanity from certain destruction.
And this time, the elite would succeed in setting up their world body.
jordan holmes
Ah, the UN.
unidentified
There we go.
alex jones
In April of 1945, at the Presidio Naval Base in San Francisco, the United Nations was founded by the victors of World War II.
unidentified
It's not.
dan friesen
You're right.
alex jones
The United Nations complex was then built in New York City on land donated by John D. Rockefeller.
dan friesen
So I want to pause there for a second because that means nothing, but it's fun.
John D. Rockefeller did donate the land, but this wasn't the UN's plan.
The UN wanted to build their own city.
And then they're like, we can't afford that.
That's crazy.
And so John D. Rockefeller was like...
jordan holmes
Yeah, the UN wanted to build like a model UN, like a literal model UN.
Like they wanted to build...
dan friesen
A self-sustained city.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That was what their plan was.
jordan holmes
This is the vision of the future.
We can make a city where no nations abide.
dan friesen
We can't really do that.
That doesn't work.
jordan holmes
What is this?
The 1900s World Fair?
Come on, guys.
dan friesen
Also, the idea that no laws apply because it's international land or whatever in the U.N. compound is not really true.
jordan holmes
Right of return, Dan.
dan friesen
Laws do apply.
It's just that there's no sales tax.
That's all.
You can't kill someone in the U.N. building.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
jordan holmes
It's duty-free?
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
And their cafeterias.
What?
Yeah, you can go.
Is that true?
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I want to go eat at the United Nations.
dan friesen
That's something I discovered in my research.
Second thing I discovered in my research is that the reason John D. Rockefeller had this land is because his son Nelson Rockefeller put an option on it because there was a guy named William Zeckendorf Sr. who owned the land, right?
jordan holmes
Why is it we never talk about people with regular names?
dan friesen
I don't know.
It's weird.
jordan holmes
Every show we do, everybody's name is the most batshit it can possibly be.
unidentified
Zeckendorf!
jordan holmes
Zeckendorf!
dan friesen
He owned this 17 acres of land in Manhattan.
jordan holmes
I'm a big fan of Zeckendorf on golf.
dan friesen
I like Zeckendorf's tribe.
That was a good movie.
Dreyfus!
So he owned this land, this 17 acres in Manhattan, and his original plan for what he was going to do with it was he was going to create a self-contained city in Manhattan.
So what he was going to do, he was going to build 200 walls and an enclosure.
jordan holmes
This is already a bad idea.
dan friesen
There's an artist's rendering of it.
It's one of the craziest things I've ever seen in my life.
jordan holmes
He was going to build the cube.
dan friesen
You have all these giant buildings around it, and they look like trees outside a building.
And it's just this giant, huge, flat thing.
It would be a self-contained city, everything you need in there.
Hospitals, entertainment, all this shit.
You never have to leave.
And there was an airport on the roof.
jordan holmes
That's dope.
dan friesen
You would have planes taking off from the middle of Manhattan, 200 feet above.
So he had this plan, this Zeckendorf Sr. guy, right?
And he was like, this is a good idea.
I can't afford to do this.
So the option on the land fell to Nelson Rockefeller.
He was able to buy it for much less than it was worth because he put a secondary claim on it.
Ended up paying like $8 million for the land.
I think it's something with the tune of like $80 million current day dollars.
jordan holmes
He got it for his steal.
dan friesen
And he believed in the UN Charter.
And so he was like, you guys can use it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It means nothing.
jordan holmes
Zechendorf?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Your eyes are a bit bigger than your stomach.
dan friesen
Great idea, though.
jordan holmes
I would say that maybe having the airport on top is going to cause a lot of noise pollution.
dan friesen
And danger.
jordan holmes
I think there's going to be...
Look, at the first town meeting, it's going to be a struggle.
dan friesen
Imagine missing the runway.
jordan holmes
There's going to be a fight.
unidentified
You go through everything.
dan friesen
But I love it.
I'll post a picture of the artist's rendering.
It's so crazy to look at, just in terms of, like, someone thought to do that.
That's fucked up.
alex jones
Shortly after the elite established the United Nations as their base in the United States, the newly formed World Council quickly began work on the next phase in their plan, the incremental formation of continental superstates.
The first step in their trilateral plan.
dan friesen
So I just want to say really quick...
jordan holmes
That's one out of three steps.
dan friesen
The EU was founded in 1993, so that would have been it took them 50 years in order to get this thing going.
And they started after the Second World War when everyone would have been totally into this sort of thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The sort of unity and the coming together and all that shit was pretty high after World War II.
jordan holmes
Apparently it's a lot harder than it looks, Dan.
dan friesen
The world was desperate and in ruins.
The idea that it would take them 50 years.
To put these plans together.
Also, Alex has no citation for this.
unidentified
No.
Well, where would you get a citation for a trilateral plan of the globalists?
dan friesen
Nonsense.
alex jones
Where Napoleon and Hitler had failed to accomplish their goals using force, the globalists would succeed using stealth.
dan friesen
Ah.
alex jones
The British spearheaded the formation of the Council of Europe on May 5, 1949.
The Treaty of London claimed to only establish trade ties between European nations.
Is that because it did?
Its true intention was the formation of a European super state.
dan friesen
You can't assert things like that.
You can't say their true intentions without proving it.
Because you can go find the Treaty of London from 1949.
I read the whole thing.
It's a completely benign document.
It even contains such horrors as this.
This is very scary.
Every member of the Council of Europe must accept the principles of the rule of law and of the enjoyment by all persons within its jurisdiction of human rights.
How dare they!
Harumph!
unidentified
Harumph!
dan friesen
This is going to terrify you.
This is why we lose to an asshole with a Make America Great Again hat.
jordan holmes
I just got bored halfway through you reading that.
Of course I'm going to vote for the guy who says, I'll fix it!
dan friesen
The entire thing is really just about, like, we're going to create a forum where we can come together and talk about our shared purposes.
jordan holmes
Hey guys, how about we don't kill everybody?
Is that everybody on board with not killing each other?
dan friesen
I started to realize that I think Alex is just pissed off whenever any countries collaborate.
I think that's really all he fucking hates.
And I got bad news.
That's the inevitable next thing that has to happen, or else...
The other option is we all fight.
And I don't want that.
Most people don't want that.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
It sure seems like it's an impossible cycle to get out of at this point where it's like a constant fighting.
dan friesen
Interestingly, it's not if we collaborate.
jordan holmes
We destroy each other and then the people who are left to pick up the pieces are like, well, it's a good idea to collaborate.
We start to build stuff again.
And then when we're in a comfortable enough place where the war is far enough away for most people to have forgotten about it, then you start getting rabble rousers like an asshole like Alex Jones or like all of those guys who are going to say, well, you know.
unidentified
You know what?
jordan holmes
We need to do.
We need to have stronger borders.
We need nationalism.
And that winds up leading to that other side of that fucking conflict that's going to last for goddamn ever.
And then after everybody's done with that, the people who are left to pick up the pieces are going to try and put together everything.
They're going to come together.
They're going to try and build something that's going to be comfortable for them enough.
And then once enough time has passed and many people have forgotten about the fucking horrors of the past, then they're going to start this whole fucking shit over again, Dan.
dan friesen
Did you ever in junior high have to do like a class project with someone you didn't like?
You kind of couldn't get anything done because you guys didn't like each other.
jordan holmes
Yeah, when I was in second grade, we did something with Legos.
dan friesen
And then the teacher maybe sat you down and was like, hey guys, you're good at this.
You're good at this.
Why don't you guys work together on stuff?
And you start working together and you realize that you're getting something done together and all of a sudden you realize you don't actually hate this person that you're in a group project with and you grow through it.
The world could be like that.
jordan holmes
No, what happened was I killed Danielle.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I killed her.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
Did not get along with her.
She was from Russia, though, so it's fine.
I don't know.
It was the 70s.
dan friesen
So here's another quote.
jordan holmes
Let's see.
James Warburg, we shall have world government, whether or not you like it, by conquest or by consent.
Boy, that does not sound real.
dan friesen
So this is an instance where he, again, doesn't have a citation in the bibliography, but we can see here, Senate Foreign Relations Committee, 1950.
jordan holmes
It seems like such an aggressive thing to say to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
dan friesen
Well, the full quote is, we shall have world government whether or not we like it.
The question is only whether world government will be achieved by consent or conquest.
That is close.
jordan holmes
Very different.
dan friesen
Whether or not you like it is different.
jordan holmes
It's a very big situation.
dan friesen
But it's also the context is really...
I read the entire speech that he gave, and he went on to say, Mr. Chairman, I'm here to testify in favor of Senate Resolution 56, which, if concurrently enacted with the House, would make a peaceful transition of the United Nations into a world federation, the avowed aim of the United States policy.
The passage of this resolution seems to me the first prerequisite towards the development of an affirmative American policy which would lead us out of the valley of death and despair.
See, his concern was that the way things were looking in the mid-50s and the Cold War, so many of the world's alliances were based on negative policy.
So that was kind of the big...
jordan holmes
That's actually a really smart thing to say.
dan friesen
He went on to say, Warburg goes on to say that the resolution requires literally no further steps from the United States.
It is a broad declaration of purpose and nothing more.
Later, he was questioned about the speech, and the subject of disarmament came up.
And he said this that I thought was really interesting.
I enjoy it.
It's a good way to look at it.
I've never seen any hope in disarmament or limitation of armaments by agreement between sovereign nations or states because all of the treaties between the sovereign nations and states are such that anyone can break them at their convenience.
And the result, the only result is that you give a head start to the aggressor.
Which is fairly true.
So, anyway, what do you think?
jordan holmes
I mean, it's a...
Well, I kind of agree and disagree with his philosophy on disarmament.
I get where he's coming from.
dan friesen
It's an interesting thought.
jordan holmes
I get where he's coming from.
I don't know if I would...
To me, the only way that disarmament works is...
dan friesen
You first.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Or I first.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
If you want everybody to disarm themselves, you have to do it first.
You can't be like, well, we'll go...
The way that we have now, where it's kind of this ticky-tack, okay, Russia, you get rid of 30, we'll get rid of 30 very slowly.
Because it's so slow, it leaves you open to a changing of the guard.
Uh, and you get, uh, somebody who's obsessed with nukes, uh, running the, the whole program.
dan friesen
That seems like an inevitability.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it needs to be.
dan friesen
Kind of like a chaos theory type thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Jurassic Park.
Eventually someone is going to be in power who shouldn't.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
So, uh, back to the- It's your, it's your Nero.
It's your emperor, like, the benevolent emperor is a great system of government up until you get a shitty emperor and everybody dies.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Back to this question of the UN and this hearing that Warburg was in.
The Deputy Undersecretary of State for Policy Matters, Dean Rusk, had this to say.
When we turn to the United Nations and its charter, we're conscious of the dominant role which support for the United Nations has played in our foreign policy.
The purposes and principles written into the Charter of the United Nations are, in essence, a summary of the foreign policy of the American people.
We should not underestimate the importance of the fact that these principles, so congenial to us, have been subscribed to by 58 other governments.
The worldwide acceptance of principles which are central to our foreign policy is a tremendous asset which the United States must carefully nourish.
Which is also something that most people don't talk about a lot.
Most of the UN foreign policy is our foreign policy.
Yeah.
Anyway, they...
jordan holmes
But it's a good idea to rail against them.
dan friesen
The Senate Foreign Relations Committee got together and they put out a report on September 1, 1950.
The committee declined to support any of the pending resolutions or to report out a resolution of its own.
jordan holmes
But in a certain sense, that still does make...
That still makes sense for an Alex Jones to hate the United Nations, because if their foreign policy is our foreign policy, well, he hates our foreign policy, too.
dan friesen
No, that's a fair point.
jordan holmes
I mean, he just hates policy of the foreign.
dan friesen
He hates cooperation.
He hates unity.
He likes othering.
He likes segmentation.
But anyway, the point is that this thing, 56, what was it?
What was the...
Resolution 56, which was supposed to just declare that the United Nations is cool.
jordan holmes
It was non-binding.
It was us saying, hey, look at those guys.
Let's make them cool, too.
dan friesen
Senate didn't pass that.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Senate is useless.
They can't even say stuff.
alex jones
In 1954, the elite of the planet met in secret at the Bilderberg Hotel in Oosterbeck, Holland.
The Bilderberg Group would later admit that their mission was the formation of the EU.
dan friesen
It's interesting.
jordan holmes
Wait, the Bilderberg Group in 1954 said that their mission was the formation of the EU.
dan friesen
Which would take 40 something years later, 1993.
jordan holmes
So are we afraid of the Bilderberg Group?
They don't seem to be very on top of it.
dan friesen
Everyone should be afraid of them.
jordan holmes
They seem very lazy.
dan friesen
So here's what's fun.
In the years since 1954, when the Bilderberg Group met for the first time, their minutes have...
Mostly what they talked about was the prevailing attitudes that business leaders and government officials had towards the Soviet Union.
jordan holmes
And then what the fuck is up with this Ginsburg guy?
He's saying all kinds of shit.
Howling!
dan friesen
So it was mostly about the Soviet Union and whether or not trade would be possible and if we would be able to get behind the Iron Curtain and stuff like that.
I've read most of the minutes of the meeting.
it doesn't talk about forming the EU.
unidentified
No.
alex jones
Once the EU was established, under the guise of trade deals, a North American union and Asian union would be formed.
The three interlocking super-shows.
states form the core of the global government, while the United Nations would serve as a world regulatory and enforcement body over the third world subregions.
The Bilderberg Group consists of the heads of all of the managing roundtable groups that steer individual countries.
jordan holmes
So we're seeing a picture of a tree.
dan friesen
With a bunch of, there's no leaves on it, and it's just a bunch of...
jordan holmes
Well, that's because it's the dead tree.
dan friesen
It's true.
jordan holmes
Of Bilderberg.
dan friesen
It's just a bunch of names of organizations and stuff.
jordan holmes
Okay, so one branch is the United Kingdom, the other is the United States.
dan friesen
U.S. European interests.
jordan holmes
Israel seems really big.
dan friesen
But it's also sparsely populated by organizations.
Anyway, I just want to talk really quick.
jordan holmes
That tree is not healthy.
dan friesen
I want to talk really quick about Bilderberg and one of the arguments that Alex is central to his worldview, and that is that they insist on operating in secret, and yet he has tons of fucking articles about them.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And he brings up, he's going to flash up a couple of articles about them.
That he has on microfiche and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Where did he get those?
dan friesen
So the other thing that's really funny is I found a documentary that our boy John Ronson did.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Where he went with Jim Tucker to Portugal to stake out the Bilderberg group.
jordan holmes
Our same Jim Tucker?
dan friesen
Yes, Jim Tucker from the beginning.
He's about to come back.
jordan holmes
Cowboy hat Jim?
dan friesen
He's going to come back in a big way.
So John Ronson made a documentary about this.
And they end up getting, like, followed by some black cars, and it's all very, very suspicious, but nothing ends up happening.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
Once again, Jim Tucker says he's going to break in, and he chickens out at the last minute.
So afterwards, John Ronson wanted to figure out, what's the deal?
And he got in contact with a bunch of people from the Bilderberg group and they agreed to be interviewed.
jordan holmes
So he just texted somebody and they were like, oh yeah, no, no, I know Dave.
Come on down here, Dave.
unidentified
Come on, come on.
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
The Bilderberg, we're fine.
dan friesen
He ended up getting interviews with like two or three of the players in the Bilderberg group who were at the meeting in Portugal.
And they explained to him very politely.
Candidly, the reason that they prefer secrecy and don't want reporters to come is because the people who were there would never speak freely if they knew that things were going to be recorded or they were going to be released.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
You can't have a frank and open discussion about ideas, some that might be bad and get shot down.
You might be embarrassed by the idea that, like, I really fucked up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You end up losing face in your own country.
jordan holmes
Which makes people not want to come.
Right.
Yeah.
dan friesen
You wouldn't be able to get anything done.
And that seems like a compelling argument, quite frankly.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
For secrecy.
jordan holmes
I imagine if Apple and Steve Jobs in every one of those planning meetings had the press in there, we would not have as many cool Apple shit.
dan friesen
Think about how many articles there would be about his stupid ideas.
jordan holmes
Somebody would be like, oh, what if I put all of the music you had into your hand?
They'd be like, you're a fucking mor- Run!
Steve Jobs!
Career over.
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah, it would be a disaster.
You'd just end up with half-cooked ideas being reported as real.
It'd just be a mess.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Especially with people...
jordan holmes
Anyways, what we're saying is end the free press.
dan friesen
Sure, except John Ronson.
But, like, also, with reporters like Jim Tucker and Alex Jones on the scene...
jordan holmes
I don't know why you said reporters.
dan friesen
Well, heavy air quotes.
But, like, imagine what...
jordan holmes
With assholes, like...
dan friesen
Yeah.
Imagine what they would misrepresent if they were able to go into those meetings.
jordan holmes
Oh, so much.
dan friesen
It would just be a, like, a sort of spiraling down the drain of getting anything done.
I'm comfortable with that explanation.
jordan holmes
I think Alex would just jerk off onto the table.
dan friesen
Oh, totally.
And be like, please, let me join, please!
Now, are they probably also collaborating and making deals that are maybe exploitative to some degree?
I would assume almost 100%.
jordan holmes
Rich people with access to other rich people is never a good thing.
dan friesen
Right, they're always going to make...
But it doesn't mean that they're trying to create a one-world government.
That's a little bit of a stretch.
jordan holmes
No, and in fact, it would probably be bad for them.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think it would hurt profit.
jordan holmes
I think it would be a terrible idea.
alex jones
Picture the elite power structure of the world as a giant pyramid.
jordan holmes
I get it!
alex jones
With only the elite of the elite at the tip-top of the capstone.
jordan holmes
Are they going to build a pyramid around Earth?
alex jones
Until the mid-1980s, the controlled corporate media denied its existence.
jordan holmes
Oh, I saw this in my library status class.
alex jones
Into the late 1990s.
dan friesen
So here's an article that specifically brings up the meeting at the Bilderberg Group and that Quayle was there.
alex jones
...only consistent of rare one-line mentions.
dan friesen
But they're articles about the Bilderberg Group.
He's showing one line, but it's...
This is so stupid.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
He's undercutting his own argument.
Here's a foreign paper that talks about it.
jordan holmes
I got a full three inches to do on this Bilderberg thing.
But you can only imagine it once.
alex jones
Their stranglehold on information has begun to slip.
unidentified
On the outskirts of the national capital today, black limousines with darkened windows converged on a hotel where private security guards imposed ironclad control.
dan friesen
Spoiler alert.
We're about to enter a really fun portion of this documentary.
Maybe the most lively portion of it.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
This is some crazy shit.
unidentified
Good.
jordan holmes
I'm glad we get it out of the way up top.
I'm glad that the last eight hours of our episode are going to be boring.
dan friesen
This is Alex Jones Goes to Canada.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Hey, this is Dan, and this is where we will have to leave off for today.
Ah, what a cliffhanger, right?
Alex Jones goes to Canada.
What's going to happen?
What's going to be there when he shows up, and what sort of trouble will he end up getting into?
Tune in tomorrow to find out.
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So enjoy that, and I don't know.
See you soon.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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