Dan and Jordan are still stuck back in the past, discussing episodes of The Alex Jones Show from 2008, and Dan has reached a strange point of conflict. Despite him being wrong all the time, was Alex Jones so bad back in 2008? Would Alex Jones be way happier if he had never started selling weird pills and making tons of money? These questions and more are discussed on this episode.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
| Alex, I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We hear a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are. | ||
| Dan, is there like a hook? | ||
| Is there a reason you would listen to two yahoos talk about Alex Jones? | ||
| Well, there's a new hook. | ||
| There's a new hook? | ||
| Well, I mean, we are stuck in the past. | ||
| Did somebody cover the Blues Traveler song? | ||
| No, there's not that. | ||
| I know a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| Because it seems like 311 would have done a cover of it. | ||
| That song by now. | ||
| I could see that. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| Yeah, they're still around. | ||
| They're still touring. | ||
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Sure. | |
| I know a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| You don't. | ||
| I don't know anything about Alex Jones. | ||
| And it's turning out that now... | ||
| I don't know anything about 311 either. | ||
| There's a guy named Peanut in it. | ||
| I wish I knew less about 311 now. | ||
| Nick Hexum. | ||
| Still going wrong. | ||
| Another member of 311. | ||
| Somehow getting worse. | ||
| I had some great songs, man. | ||
| Amber. | ||
| It's a good song. | ||
| It's not a good song. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| I do like a couple other songs. | ||
| Let's not get into it. | ||
| I don't want to wreck my brain trying to come up with what 311 songs are okay. | ||
| Jordan, so before, on our last episode, I believe, we made the declaration that I'm just sticking in the past. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And so today we're going to be going over March 23rd, 2008, and I'll explain why there's a gap there since our last show covered the 18th. | ||
| But before we do, I'd like to play an out-of-context drop from today's show. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Okay, this is going to be a weird radio show today, and you're not going to want to miss it. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| Selling it up top. | ||
| Alright, alright. | ||
| So, one of the things that I'm learning that's very interesting is that in 2008, Alex Jones was doing a radio show. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like a regular radio show. | ||
| It was not a production. | ||
| Uh-uh. | ||
| He didn't have a lot going for him, and so nowadays, whenever he wants a day off or something like that, or he wants to maybe do a half day, he'll have David Knight fill in or something like that. | ||
| Back then, he couldn't do that. | ||
| He doesn't have the cast of characters back then. | ||
| No, so what he would do is he would replay interviews from a couple days previous and make it seem like it's live. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| Yeah, because I was listening to... | ||
| He didn't announce that... | ||
| No. | ||
| No, he just played the same interview over again. | ||
| Because I got tricked. | ||
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That's fantastic. | |
| I got tricked by it. | ||
| Because I was listening to, like, the 20th or something like that, March 20th, and, like, Dr. Dean Adele comes back. | ||
| And I'm like, oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, fuck yeah. | ||
| Round two. | ||
| Round two with Dean Adele. | ||
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Hell yeah. | |
| I'm so pumped. | ||
| This is going to be amazing. | ||
| And I'm like, this is the same interview. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| So he does that a lot. | ||
| There's a lot of rebroadcasting. | ||
| And he replayed that interview? | ||
| Which is even crazier. | ||
| That's bananas. | ||
| Yeah, but so there's that stuff. | ||
| I'm listening to it and I'm like, I remember a bit of this. | ||
| And so there's a couple days where it's just a no man's land of nothing. | ||
| That's tough. | ||
| So does he do live interstitials or is the whole thing? | ||
| I think it's the whole thing. | ||
| The whole thing is just rebroadcast? | ||
| Spliced together interviews from previous days. | ||
| That's diabolical? | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| I think that's what a lot of radio shows do, though. | ||
| But a lot of them will announce, like, I'm going to be off for a few days. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| You're the best of, or whatever. | ||
| Alex doesn't do that. | ||
| No, he does not. | ||
| Oh, speaking of the best of, I forgot. | ||
| We've got to get to some shout-outs. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Before we get to today's episode, I'd like to give a shout-out to a couple of new donors. | ||
| What's going on out there, Dave C.? | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you so much for joining up with the show. | ||
| Thank you very much, Dave. | ||
| Also, I'd like to give a shout-out to a new foreign policy wonk. | ||
| What's going on out there, Steve H.? | ||
| I'm a policy wonk! | ||
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Four stars. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Appreciate it so much. | ||
| If you'd like to become a policy wonk and support the show, you can go to knowledgefight.com and click support the show. | ||
| Alright, back to business. | ||
| March... | ||
| I want... | ||
| Can we commission... | ||
| One, do we know where Dean Adele is now? | ||
| Yeah, I think he's retired. | ||
| And it's Dean is the first name. | ||
| Adele, E-D-E-L-L is the last name. | ||
| So I looked that up. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And he seems pretty cool. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Can we commission him? | ||
| We can email him, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Okay, so we email him. | ||
| I'm pretty sure he's alive, yes. | ||
| We email him to call in and record him giving Steve Pachenik's speech. | ||
| Ooh, that would be nice. | ||
| See, that's what I want. | ||
| Yeah, that would be all right. | ||
| I want a whole, I want a whole, eventually, I want every character on Alex Jones' show to record those exact... | ||
| Just go home and tell your mother you're brilliant? | ||
| Every single one of them. | ||
| It wouldn't be bad. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| So today, Jordan, we are getting a Sunday show, the 23rd of March, 2008. | ||
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Right. | |
| And I think it's Easter. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I think that he... | ||
| Are the specials going on? | ||
| No, because he's not selling products back then. | ||
| So he doesn't have the same salesman-y shit, which actually, I mean, it gives the show an entirely different feeling. | ||
| The fact that he's not throwing to commercial all the fucking time, it feels totally different. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You're so excited. | ||
| I am and I'm not. | ||
| And we'll get into why as things go along. | ||
| But it is exciting to me that this is something new. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Considering we haven't had to deal with that for like four months. | ||
| Well, as we've been going over the modern day stuff, you know, like... | ||
| I know everything about Alex Jones. | ||
| You know nothing about him. | ||
| Holds true. | ||
| And it's kind of boring for me listening to him and being like, I know what he's doing. | ||
| Now it's like, this is fresh for me. | ||
| I've got to figure out a new crazy. | ||
| Fucking anything could happen. | ||
| And he's a different kind of crazy. | ||
| But anyway. | ||
| Is it just him? | ||
| Like, he doesn't have co-hosts? | ||
| He doesn't have Rob Dew hanging around in the studio? | ||
| That's an interesting question. | ||
| I mean, no. | ||
| When does David Knight show up in all of this? | ||
| I think David Knight might be around at this point, but just doing the nightly news. | ||
| And I think Rob Dew is doing the nightly news back then as well. | ||
| I'm not sure of the entire timeline. | ||
| I know Paul Joseph Watson is around because he's referenced having him write articles. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But I don't know if he's gotten him to be on-air talent yet. | ||
| Okay, so this is, so theinfowars.com is still around. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And prisonplanet.com, all that stuff. | ||
| I mean, most of the commercials, like I said on the last episode, are essentially just all for his documentaries. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| They're all just like, he plays the soundbite of George H.W. Bush saying, a new world order, and it's like, ah, proof! | ||
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Yep, well... | |
| Sold me? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah, that's all I needed to hear. | ||
| So let's get to this first clip, and you'll see immediately why I think it's Easter. | ||
| And also, I should say, I figured this out as the show went along. | ||
| The audio quality is way worse on this Sunday show. | ||
| And it turns out the reason for that is because he's broadcasting out of a different studio. | ||
| So his normal studio, I think, has much better sound. | ||
| He's broadcasting from his Easter studio. | ||
| This is the KLBJ Studios in Austin, Texas. | ||
| After three days, he will emerge from that studio and return to his other studio. | ||
| You're talking about a weekend? | ||
| Yes, I guess so. | ||
| Anyway, here's the first clip. | ||
| Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| Welcome and thank you for joining us. | ||
| It is Ishtar Day when we worship Ishtar, the mother goddess of Babylon, and we simulate fertility through the rabbits. | ||
| That's why Playboy's symbol. | ||
| He is a rabbit because rabbits are well known for their sexual stamina. | ||
| How many cycles of young they can birth each year. | ||
| This is still going. | ||
| It's the terms like they're breeding like rabbits. | ||
| That's why Hugh Hefner picked the rabbit as the symbol for his Playboy empire. | ||
| And so, in the last 60 years, our children have been trained to not be Christian on this holiday. | ||
| But for hundreds of years it's been called Easter, the occult symbolism hidden in plain view, the eastern worship of Ishtar, the mother goddess, fertility, the eggs, the rabbit, and it is a huge fertility ritual. | ||
| We just had the beginning of spring a couple days ago, and then we celebrate the High Occult Holy Day practiced by different occult branches all over the world. | ||
| From the Aztecs to the Babylonians, of course, to the Druids. | ||
| Still going. | ||
| You know what he's doing? | ||
| He's just repeating zeitgeist. | ||
| I know! | ||
| I want to hear him explain more basic... | ||
| Well, and we get that, you know... | ||
| Banging like rabbits because rabbits have sex a lot, famously. | ||
| Like, we get the phrase, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater because one time somebody threw a baby out with the bathwater. | ||
| Like, that's why... | ||
| Playboy probably has bunnies. | ||
| I'm almost certain that's why. | ||
| The worship of Ishtar. | ||
| But that's not. | ||
| The Babylonian goddess of rebirth and spring. | ||
| That's not correct. | ||
| Aren't we sure? | ||
| That is not correct. | ||
| Aren't we sure? | ||
| At all. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I'm pretty sure that's what Hugh Hefner was thinking. | ||
| He was like, okay. | ||
| First of all, it's not a cult. | ||
| It can't be a cult. | ||
| What do you mean, playboy? | ||
| I mean, well, no, that definitely is. | ||
| Yeah, that seems like it probably was. | ||
| Didn't, uh, didn't, uh, oh, fuck it. | ||
| So, Easter in Latin and Greek is known as Pasha, which comes from Pascha, from the Aramaic word, or a cognate to the Hebrew name Pesach, which is, you know, Passover. | ||
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Sure. | |
| But also, the word Easter doesn't come from Ishtar. | ||
| It just sounds similar. | ||
| It's a false cognate. | ||
| This is something that's been debunked a whole bunch. | ||
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The name Easter traces most likely. | |
| I didn't know that. | ||
| I thought it was the same thing. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| Fuck yes! | ||
| That's awesome to learn. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| It's something that's very commonly thought, again, because it sounds similar. | ||
| It sounds the same! | ||
| Why wouldn't it be the same? | ||
| Ishtar is a goddess of fertility and what have you, but also, in the same way that Greek goddesses would have multiple purposes, she also is a goddess of warfare, and the animal that she's associated with is a lion. | ||
| It's not a bunny or eggs at all. | ||
| That's all just made-up shit. | ||
| That's not true, in the least. | ||
| Athena is associated strongly. | ||
| So even when Alex is trying to give you history, he's wrong about it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fantastic. | ||
| Like, Athena, the one animal she's associated with is a fucking owl. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's consistent. | ||
| It's a whole thing. | ||
| And the one animal that Ishtar is associated with is a fucking lion. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's not a bunny rabbit. | ||
| Bouncing around with eggs. | ||
| What is a lion but the bunny rabbit of the cat world? | ||
| You might make a decent point. | ||
| You don't. | ||
| But the most accepted theory about the name of Easter is that it's derived from the name of an old English goddess mentioned by the 7th to 8th century English monk Beatty, who wrote about an old English month of Eoster, which is translated back then as Paschal month. | ||
| Which goes to Passover. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But, yeah, the Eostare month goes back to Ostara, the goddess Ostara, which is actually, I mean, it makes a whole lot more sense. | ||
| The issue is like, okay, do you, Alex, what he wants to say is there's pagan shit behind holidays. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And if he wanted to just say that, cool. | ||
| Would have been great. | ||
| But if he wants to, like, play this game, like, I know all this stuff. | ||
| He was trying to be sarcastic about it, too. | ||
| He was trying to, like... | ||
| Yeah, he was like, hey, you know what? | ||
| I know all of this stuff, too, but you guys are actually hating on Christians. | ||
| He comes off like a kid in high school who's like... | ||
| And Jesus isn't real. | ||
| Wait, no, what? | ||
| He's coming off as one of these guys in high school who's like, all you mainstream people are posers. | ||
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Yeah, absolutely. | |
| It's like, fuck off, there's some good pop. | ||
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Right. | |
| You dick. | ||
| Sometimes the mainstream is great. | ||
| But be that his way, he's just wrong. | ||
| A lot of bitterness in that little story, Dan. | ||
| Yeah, a little bit. | ||
| He's wrong, and he continues to be wrong in this next clip. | ||
| Now, again, I'm a Christian. | ||
| And the kids have fun with the eggs. | ||
| They do. | ||
| The whole point is that I don't worship Ishtar because I'm conscious of it, and I realize what it is. | ||
| But the globalists enjoy tricking you. | ||
| They enjoy manipulating you. | ||
| They enjoy having things hidden in plain view. | ||
| In fact, that's part of their luminous religion is that they get more power out of things being in plain view and you're still not seeing them. | ||
| So that's all part of the basic craziness. | ||
| But just look up the term Easter. | ||
| I did. | ||
| It's in your encyclopedia. | ||
| The root from Ishtar, the goddess of fertility. | ||
| And in springtime, all over the world. | ||
| Different cultures, they had different names for the goddess, but it was always the goddess, would engage in different sacrifices. | ||
| Sometimes a goat, sometimes a ram, sometimes a bull, sometimes a horse. | ||
| But there's a theme of what they're sacrificing. | ||
| But more often than not, a child. | ||
| You talked over the end there. | ||
| Well, the end was obviously a child. | ||
| We're going to get to a child. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So yeah, I mean, it is true that it does seem like throughout cultures there are, you know, like in Greek, Mythology is Demeter and Persephone with the coming of Spring being that Persephone is let out of Hades for a couple months to hang out with her mom. | ||
| Yeah, but that's cool. | ||
| Right, but there does seem to be a connection throughout old-timey cultures and the ideas of a goddess and Spring. | ||
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Right. | |
| Well, that's because it's cool that shit... | ||
| Grows. | ||
| And everybody, like, if there's a god for everything, sooner or later you're gonna be like, wait a second, this shit happens every year. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I bet it's not because of the climate or whatever, it's because of gods. | ||
| So you give them a name, and then you get really badass myths. | ||
| I want better myths. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's the problem with the monotheists. | ||
| Their myths suck. | ||
| Yeah, they're not great. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Well, you get some side myths about, like, Daniel and the Lion's Den, and King David, and what have you. | ||
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Yeah, but that sucked. | |
| Sucked. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| King David murdered his best friend so he could fuck his wife. | ||
| That's a shitty myth. | ||
| That's a very modern myth. | ||
| Seems right in line with our culture. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Daniel and his buddies. | ||
| Meshach. | ||
| No, it's Meshach Taylor I'm thinking of. | ||
| Bedrack Meshach. | ||
| What's the... | ||
| Shadrack, Meshach, and Abednego. | ||
| There you go. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| You're really caught up in Meshach Taylor being one of them. | ||
| Yeah, see, that sucks. | ||
| If Meshack Taylor was one of them, better myth. | ||
| Better myth. | ||
| Way better myth. | ||
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But you get the guy going down into Hades. | |
| He goes to grab the girl, but then there's six of the fucking pits. | ||
| But she ate a pomegranate seed. | ||
| It's like, that's a great fucking myth, because it doesn't make any goddamn sense. | ||
| And sure, why not? | ||
| That sounds true. | ||
| It makes a lot of sense. | ||
| Shit grows. | ||
| Might as well be something to do with pomegranates and hell. | ||
| Was that the note you took? | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Okay. | |
| If you want to look down at my notes, I wrote down, pomegranate and hell. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So Alex, he's going hard on the Ishtar business right out of the gate, and I wish that he read anything, because he could have a... | ||
| Well, then we wouldn't have a show, Dan. | ||
| I mean, who knew that we were going to go back to 2008 and start listening to this shit? | ||
| But he'd have a better argument to make if he did. | ||
| You know, like, because the base of the argument, I mean, it's not that, like, a luminist, globalist, occultist are trying to trick your kids into something. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| But the argument that you could educate your audience on about the, like, sort of pagan and druidic origins of a lot of holidays, you could actually teach them something if you wanted to. | ||
| Wouldn't be a bad idea. | ||
| You have the starting point of education, Alex, and you're blowing it. | ||
| You're just fucking blowing it. | ||
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Right. | |
| Anyway, he gets to a news story here pretty quick on the show, and it's patently absurd. | ||
| But a big security company is working with the airlines to make you fit a taser bracelet around your wrist. | ||
| Everyone who gets on a plane will be fitted with a taser bracelet and zapped if they have their way. | ||
| I love this idea. | ||
| And they said they've done polling, and the people want to be fitted with your taser bracelet. | ||
| And again, this is about training you to be a slave. | ||
| Making you take your shoes off. | ||
| And I've got the federal docs on that, about humiliation, about setting the precedent for you to do anything and everything. | ||
| This is all part of a dog training, basically. | ||
| Pavlovian training to train you how to be a slave. | ||
| But we're going to play this clip coming up after the break where they're advertising the fact that you'll all be fitted with your zappers. | ||
| Everyone will have their... | ||
| And then they say, oh, by the way, in the real world, outside the airports... | ||
| He's going to get into externalizing this and like, hey, you just wear shock bracelets everywhere! | ||
| Yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| I don't have the audio of it because it's not really worth it. | ||
| That actually sounds like a product that he would be advertising for on his show now. | ||
| Just like, for your globalist in your life, give him a little wrist taser. | ||
| For all your shock needs. | ||
| Put it around where you hide your guns. | ||
| I don't have the audio of it. | ||
| I didn't keep it because it's kind of boring and Alex talks over it. | ||
| But what it sounds to me like is a tech business that has an idea and they're sort of pitching it. | ||
| It's not like the government is planning this. | ||
| And ten years later... | ||
| We don't have shock bracelets. | ||
| No, we don't. | ||
| So, we'll finish this up. | ||
| Should we? | ||
| No. | ||
| I think that's a larger question. | ||
| I think we don't need them. | ||
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All right, but I feel like there's a conversation to be had. | |
| And the police in L.A. are pushing, and they've done it in some cities where your car has to have an automatic kill switch for the police. | ||
| Because, see, somebody might run from them, so we're all guilty until proven innocent, so we all got to have a kill switch in our car. | ||
| Of course, who's going to watch the government? | ||
| Historically, it's the most dangerous thing we have to look out for. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| Automatic kill switches and cards will all be fitted with our taser bracelets or necklaces. | ||
| Again, you can't make this up. | ||
| You can't make this up. | ||
| This is not a spoof or satire. | ||
| You'll laugh and say it's not true today, but when you hear about it on the news next month, you will, in double think, shift and say, okay, I'm for it. | ||
| That's how you've been pre-programmed, with high-tech mind control of the television that then leaks out into the culture and then is amplified by the cultural... | ||
| Zeitgeist, known as the Peer Pressure 100th Monkey Nexus Overdrive. | ||
| Is that what we call it? | ||
| A little term I just coined there, but that's basically what it is. | ||
| He's coined it. | ||
| Known as, popularly known as, and then whatever it was he said, and then he's like, I just coined that term. | ||
| The 100th monkey nexus overdrive. | ||
| And again, I mean, that just goes back to the... | ||
| The debunked 100th monkey theory. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So even that's stupid. | ||
| Even the coined term he just came up with is stupid. | ||
| Again, 10 years later, we don't have shock bracelets. | ||
| For many reasons is that name stupid. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It's clunky. | ||
| It's too wordy. | ||
| Too wordy. | ||
| I would also say that, like... | ||
| I kind of agree with him that the idea of all cars having a kill switch in them is not good, necessarily. | ||
| But I also see the practical application of it. | ||
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Right. | |
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| That one's murky to me. | ||
| I also don't think that all cars do. | ||
| No, they absolutely don't. | ||
| No, I mean, it's an interesting idea because a car chase is horrific. | ||
| Like, my cousin... | ||
| Do so much damage. | ||
| Yeah, my cousin actually was hit by a running away car being chased by the cops and never caught the guy, so he just got fucked up. | ||
| Like, you hear about it from time to time, an old person behind the wheel will, like, run through a crowd, or there are terrorist attacks that use cars now that seem to be happening in Europe every now and again. | ||
| There is a personal application. | ||
| The only problem is now you're talking about a remote kill switch, and as we know about any kind of remote technology, it's going to get hacked by somebody who knows how to use it better than you do, so they can do whatever they want with it. | ||
| It's entirely possible. | ||
| It's a double-edged sword of an astonishing negative application. | ||
| So what we see at this point already is Alex Jones being kind of stupid. | ||
| But at the same time... | ||
| But he's also very glib about how smart he is. | ||
| Right, and that's annoying. | ||
| Very annoying. | ||
| But it's not bad. | ||
| It's annoying. | ||
| It's annoying, but it's not Alex Jones bad. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So the point I'm trying to get at right now is... | ||
| Now, if he'd said the Muslims put kill switches in all of your cars, there we go. | ||
| Then we're talking Alex Jones territory. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| But what I'm getting at is that, like... | ||
| So, we have three things so far that have come up. | ||
| We've got Ishtar being Easter, which is not true, but fine. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| You want to get into your esoteric babbling about weird internet memes and shit like that? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| That's good fun. | ||
| Good on you. | ||
| There is a segment of the population... | ||
| Playboy is because of Ishtar. | ||
| Well, but there's a segment of the population that really loves that stuff, and I'm susceptible to that to some extent, too. | ||
| Like, I watch videos on YouTube about Atlantis and stuff like that. | ||
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Right. | |
| I don't necessarily think it's true, but I enjoy it, and I wouldn't want someone, just because it's not true, to not put it out there. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I love it. | ||
| I'm fine with that. | ||
| Then we have... | ||
| The government is going to put shock bracelets on you in order to fly. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| And then we have kill switches in cars. | ||
| Those two things are like, they're paranoia narratives. | ||
| But at the same time, the way he's presenting them and the position he's in in 2008 is the kind of guy who I'm cool with existing. | ||
| Because, like, the absence of that voice is worse. | ||
| Like, you know that governments and, you know, power organizations tend to overstep their bounds. | ||
| Right. | ||
| 100% of the time. | ||
| There is a pushing that power just naturally does. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And so having someone who is just there yelling about, like, X, Y, or Z, whether it's accurate or not, there is kind of a value to it. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Because the absence of that voice would allow things to be unchecked to some extent. | ||
| I think there's smarter voices that do it, but possibly not more popular ones. | ||
| Now, granted, his positions are alarmist and paranoid and not based in reality, but I'm not saying he's right. | ||
| But what I'm saying is that at this point, it might get worse as the episode goes along, but he's not as offensive as he is six years later. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, yeah, he sounds more like the guy on the corner with the sign saying that apocalypse is at hand. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, like, yeah, I like that voice being available to me. | ||
| Like, if I'm walking down the street not thinking about whether or not the apocalypse is at hand, I like to be reminded that it is. | ||
| Now, granted... | ||
| Regardless of whether it is or not. | ||
| We know from the last episode that, like, I mean, there is still bigotry going on. | ||
| He's still... | ||
| That's still part of him already in 2008. | ||
| He's still a racist and shit like that. | ||
| We just didn't know he also hated Ishtar. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm conflicted about the position that he's in in 2008. | ||
| In terms of, like, if you could get rid of the racism, would he be a valuable voice in public discourse? | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| There's a better argument for it then than there is now. | ||
| That's for damn sure. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Anyway, I don't know. | ||
| That's just a thought that I've had and I don't know what to do with. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| The thought we're having is, is Alex Jones better or worse? | ||
| Now way worse. | ||
| Oh yeah, now he's way, way worse. | ||
| But I think it's worse for him too. | ||
| Anyway, let's listen to this next clip where he brings those sort of narratives together. | ||
| Alright. | ||
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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, it's Ishtar Day! | |
| Remember, I fell in Palestine named Jesus Christ by putting out purple, green, and pink Easter eggs and hopping around. | ||
| You can imagine if somebody fell asleep 50 years ago and just now woke up on a cryo-freeze and turned on the news and they were proposing that we all walk around wearing shock bracelets. | ||
| If it makes the officer feel more relaxed, shouldn't the entire public be fitted with a shock bracelet? | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| I'm definitely Al-Qaeda because I don't want to wear my shock bracelet. | ||
| The government's good. | ||
| The men in black ski masks are good. | ||
| Everything is fine, my friends. | ||
| So that right there kind of gets to... | ||
| That little beat drop got him. | ||
| But Alex loves doing radio. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He's so much happier 10 years ago. | ||
| You can hear it. | ||
| You can feel it. | ||
| And there's something to me... | ||
| Okay, I'll just lay all my cards on the table. | ||
| You want this Alex Jones to come back? | ||
| No. | ||
| I identify with him. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| You take away the racism and stuff like that, and that's the life I fucking wanted. | ||
| For a long time, just being able to talk on a talk show, have your own fucking radio show, and really love it. | ||
| I can feel it. | ||
| I can feel his enjoyment of this radio show. | ||
| And it bums me out, the path we know the next decade takes in his life. | ||
| It's another story of capitalism running you. | ||
| We need to have a for real... | ||
| There's a Christmas carol situation going on here. | ||
| He needs to be visited by the ghost of Jakari Jackson. | ||
| Well, Jakari, I don't even know if he's around back then. | ||
| See, there we go. | ||
| Then he'll be taken into the past with Jakari Jackson. | ||
| He'll go see what it was like whenever he knew a black person. | ||
| Those were the days. | ||
| Larry Elder might still talk to him. | ||
| Then the ghost of Jerome Corsi. | ||
| We'll take him to the D.C. office now, and he'll realize how boring Jerome Corsi is. | ||
| And that there is no D.C. office. | ||
| So he'll change his ways. | ||
| It's Jerome Corsi at a fucking hotel room. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And then David Knight will take him into the future, where he sounds a lot like David Knight. | ||
| It'll be heartbreaking. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Once he loses his joie de vivre. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And then Alex will realize the error of his ways. | ||
| He'll get back together with his first wife. | ||
| I don't know if that's a good idea. | ||
| No. | ||
| I'm going to go with no. | ||
| I guess not. | ||
| He'll get back together with one of his 150 high school sweethearts. | ||
| That could be. | ||
| And maybe, maybe, I'm willing to accept that there is a part of me saying he is a... | ||
| Not reasonable, but he is a... | ||
| A not terrible voice in the media landscape because I identify with having your own radio show and how exciting that... | ||
| It seems a little bit of a surface connection there. | ||
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It's possible. | |
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| But at the same time, I don't know. | ||
| As these words are coming out of my mouth, I realize I can't defend these things. | ||
| You're kind of like... | ||
| I can't defend it because I know that... | ||
| He's still basically saying all government is evil, you should be afraid of everything. | ||
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Right. | |
| Which is really the bedrock of what makes him a problem. | ||
| So no, fuck that. | ||
| Yeah, you're saying right now, like, I identify with Alex because he enjoys having a radio show. | ||
| Like, that's a very different thing than I like his voice being available to anybody at any given point in time. | ||
| Yeah, it's such a really difficult line to walk because a certain amount of paranoia is useful. | ||
| Too much paranoia is dangerous but having a paranoid voice around is... | ||
| It is good to check some of the underlying assumptions that we have, you know? | ||
| So you're saying he's moving the Overton window of paranoia, so to speak. | ||
| Not, no. | ||
| He's pushing us, he's pushing the discourse more towards paranoia. | ||
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No. | |
| But not all the way towards his paranoia. | ||
| No, what I'm saying is back then there is a purpose in society that he's fulfilling to some degree, which is being, like you said, that crazy voice. | ||
| That guy who yells stuff and like maybe one time out of 50 he's right. | ||
| But because of how crazy it is, it causes you to take a step back and re-examine your positions. | ||
| He's not that now. | ||
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No. | |
| But going back and listening to this same guy doing something very different back then, I guess maybe it's sort of... | ||
| Growing pains or shock of jumping back in time. | ||
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Right. | |
| That I'm experiencing this and like, this isn't so bad. | ||
| I think that's just, that's because the bar is set so low now. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Whereas like, we gotta, it's like, he needs to be arrested now. | ||
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Right, right, right, right. | |
| He's going to, like, he's going to get people killed now. | ||
| Whereas back then it's like, yeah, he's just going to get people to believe dumb stuff. | ||
| Yeah, he's a relatively benign character now. | ||
| He might reinforce some people's underlying racism or fears of various things, but if you look at what was going on on Fox News in 2008, it's really not that different. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's no different than libertarian or conservative. | ||
| Just stock and trade bigotry. | ||
| Right. | ||
| To some extent. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| I'm having a very difficult... | ||
| Which is not something that we want to yada yada yada over. | ||
| No! | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| I don't think it's good, but, I mean, in terms of what we talk about, Alex is... | ||
| Far worse than that stock and trade stuff now. | ||
| Like in 2018. | ||
| Yeah, but isn't he still denying Sandy Hook and all that stuff? | ||
| Not in 2008. | ||
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It hasn't happened yet. | |
| Well, I know, but isn't he still denying Timothy McVeigh and all kinds of white terrorism? | ||
| It doesn't come up yet. | ||
| I haven't really heard him talk about it much. | ||
| But yeah, I mean, that is part of it. | ||
| That's part of his... | ||
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Fuck him. | |
| I'm still going to go with fuck him. | ||
| It's very complicated. | ||
| It might just be because he doesn't... | ||
| And if it weren't for this Alex Jones, he wouldn't have built up the rabid listenership that makes up his racist, horrible fans. | ||
| I'm not certain about that. | ||
| I'm listening to these shows and I don't see how he ever got popular, quite frankly. | ||
| Like, from what I've listened so far, he does yell stuff every now and again, but it's not like... | ||
| I don't like his voice right now. | ||
| He sounds very nasal and he's got that little upturn at the end. | ||
| It's interesting to think of the trajectory of this being 10 years ago and we know that he only goes up. | ||
| He's at a plateau now. | ||
| He's not going higher than this. | ||
| He's going to crash very hard soon. | ||
| One of the things that's being reinforced in my mind is that that growth is not organic. | ||
| We listened to that 15-minute interview he had with Dean Adele, and he just had all of his narratives busted, and a doctor pointing out, well, here's why you've got to be very careful with statistics, you've got to read other studies in conjunction with the studies that you're trying to... | ||
| He's like, bah, no, vaccines! | ||
| And I don't understand how anybody listening to his show wouldn't think, like, oh, Alex doesn't really know what he's talking about. | ||
| His own positions are being undermined on his show back then. | ||
| Yeah, but never underestimate the absolute hatred that a lot of Americans have for anybody who knows fancy learnings. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| Anti-intellectualism does go a long way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So anyway, in this next clip, Alex Jones has another narrative that he's going to pitch. | ||
| I would call it the junior varsity narrative of the show. | ||
| And it's about your blood. | ||
| States hand over the DNA of newborns to the Department of Homeland Security. | ||
| I want to spend some time on this. | ||
| You won't. | ||
| All of your children, 35 or younger, you've been put in a legal international database. | ||
| All of them. | ||
| Now, your conditioning just kicked in. | ||
| You went, wait a minute, Homeland Security is six years old. | ||
| I know that. | ||
| I'm going to read the actual documents. | ||
| This is real. | ||
| It doesn't. | ||
| That blood, they say, goes to the health department for a blood test. | ||
| Did you ever ask why the hospital couldn't do a blood test? | ||
| Your blood publicly went to a federal database and then to an international database, okay, for DNA testing, DNA backgrounds. | ||
| They claim they own your child's blood. | ||
| They make DNA patents out of it, new proteins and things. | ||
| but now it goes to Homeland Security in the National Crime Database with murderers, bank robbers, everything else. | ||
| If you want to be slaves, you're going to get to be. | ||
| And I want to tell the cops something. | ||
| You think you're on the winning team? | ||
| Just drink more fluoride water from your masters. | ||
| Inject your children with mercury-filled shots. | ||
| Just trust the system. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Serve it. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| Well, come back with the DNA databases in your cable boxes watching you. | ||
| So maybe it is too much paranoia. | ||
| He tossed that one off at the end like that was no big deal. | ||
| Maybe it's too much paranoia. | ||
| They're stealing your blood. | ||
| Oh, by the way, your TV box is watching you. | ||
| Anyways, we're going to get off to the break. | ||
| What he's talking about is real. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| But one of the reasons that your hospital doesn't do those tests is because they don't have the capacity to do those tests. | ||
| It's kind of expensive to have that kind of facility. | ||
| So, you know, why keep it in the same place whenever somebody else can do it? | ||
| And there are some issues. | ||
| And the ACLU in particular is working and has worked towards this. | ||
| Because it goes state by state in terms of... | ||
| So what they do is they take blood from your baby and you get screened for all sorts of diseases at birth because some of them are things that can be dealt with very easily immediately but will be unreversible later. | ||
| So it's a very important thing in terms of genetic conditions to do that sort of thing. | ||
| But the issue does become that a lot of that information from the tests and the blood can be stored. | ||
| Depending on the state for long periods of time. | ||
| Okay, that's great. | ||
| And tests can be done in terms of, like, the data that comes from it is incredibly valuable in terms of tracing correlations in order to track genes for other genetic conditions and things like that. | ||
| Now, a lot of the time, that information, it's unidentified. | ||
| It has all the identifiers taken away from it. | ||
| Your name isn't connected to it or anything like that. | ||
| But it is still a very weird area in terms of consent and privacy. | ||
| And the ACLU is working and has been for years trying to allow people to have their rights in terms of if they feel violated by that, take care. | ||
| Well, there's the story of the black woman's blood and genetic material that was cultured again and again and again for like 60 years or something like that, and it's one of the most important samples. | ||
| In medical research history. | ||
| But they just never told her about it. | ||
| We only found out that it happened recently in the past five years or so. | ||
| And it was all done like, hey, we just stole your stuff and now it's copyrighted and patented and all that stuff. | ||
| I'm not sure if it's copyrighted or whatever. | ||
| But yeah, they just stole her information and used it willy-nilly, so to speak. | ||
| Willy-nilly is a phrase that comes from Ishtar. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| I don't want to minimize it, but what was she going to do with that information? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I don't know! | ||
| I don't think that it's great to blindly trust things like this, but at the same time, I don't think it's right to be blindly paranoid about them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because there are incredible medical advances that were probably made by using this woman's... | ||
| Yeah, but I think it's a licensing fee, right? | ||
| If they steal and use your blood... | ||
| And then keep selling it. | ||
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They can have it. | |
| I would say give them a licensing fee. | ||
| They can have my blood. | ||
| At the very least a finder's fee. | ||
| I don't give a shit. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Have my blood. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| I'm not using it. | ||
| We're gonna see like 15 Dan Chimeras and it's gonna be awful. | ||
| That'd be great. | ||
| They're gonna be terrible at parties. | ||
| Oh man. | ||
| We'll have an awesome podcast. | ||
| We'll have a network. | ||
| So I was reading up on this. | ||
| Different chimera for different propagandists. | ||
| There's an article in Newsweek from 2014 that sort of really brought things home for me. | ||
| I'll just read to you here. | ||
| Thinner than average with serious shadowed eyes, Kevin Anderson, 36, has worked as a filmmaker for over 10 years. | ||
| He's traveled throughout Europe and the Americas producing web and sports videos, news packages, and documentary shorts. | ||
| In his infancy, he was diagnosed with a rare genetic condition, commonly referred to as PKU, where the body cannot properly break down protein. | ||
| Throughout his life, he's taken medicine and followed a special low-protein diet. | ||
| But other than these restrictions, he enjoys a healthy life. | ||
| Recently, though, he stumbled across this video that showed people with undiagnosed PKU. | ||
| While he had often heard stories about what was happening, I'd never seen pictures of it. | ||
| I'd never encountered it myself. | ||
| So it wasn't quite real to me, he says. | ||
| And when I watched that video, he trails off, choking up, pausing until the heartbreak passes. | ||
| It just captured me. | ||
| I had the sudden realization that I would have become mentally retarded. | ||
| I would have been in an institution had it not been for newborn screening. | ||
| And that story is true for thousands and thousands of people every year. | ||
| Not just with PKU, but with all sorts of conditions that would deteriorate their life. | ||
| Like I said, things are treatable and manageable initially, but later will not be. | ||
| You can't go back. | ||
| This screening stuff is absolutely essential. | ||
| Yeah, but... | ||
| It's been referred to... | ||
| Alex hates all preventative medicine. | ||
| You know, like, he hates vaccines. | ||
| He hates going to see the doctor. | ||
| You should just buy, like, bullshit pills. | ||
| Like, he despises any kind of actual solutions. | ||
| By every account, newborn screening is one of modernity's biggest medical success stories. | ||
| So suck it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what I would say. | ||
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Right. | |
| And also, this article brings up something really interesting. | ||
| You know that 23andMe? | ||
| That company where you'd send a swab in and they'd tell you your genetic history? | ||
| Is that what they do? | ||
| Well, yeah, they would tell you... | ||
| Oh, 23 chromosomes. | ||
| Yeah, your ancestry. | ||
| They would tell you where it comes from. | ||
| But it's interesting here. | ||
| 23andMe, a consumer genetics company, will genotype your DNA and provide you with ancestry-related reports and raw data. | ||
| Previously, 23andMe's reports included odd ratios for certain medical conditions. | ||
| But in November 2013, the FDA prohibited the company from continuing to sell health reports as they could not be analytically or clinically validated. | ||
| In reality, a health report may just be the most enticing carrot 23andMe was able to dream up in order to get your DNA in its computers. | ||
| As noted by the authors of an article in the New England Journal of Medicine, quote, 23 23andMe has suggested that its longer-range goal is to collect a massive biobank of genetic information that can be used and sold for medical research and could also lead to patentable discoveries. | ||
| This characterization is not denied by 23andMe, which tells Newsweek, quote, the primary mission of our company is to accelerate genetic discovery. | ||
| That's fucking amazing. | ||
| So here's what they do. | ||
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Hold on. | |
| Let me finish this. | ||
| So the real money, then, isn't selling you a health analysis. | ||
| It's in using and selling your data for biomedical research. | ||
| It's not much different from how Google, Yahoo, and Facebook give us search engines, email, and social networking for free, only to sell all the information they gather to anyone wishing to market products to us. | ||
| 23andMe has already conducted research funded by the NIH and collaborated with academic and industry partners. | ||
| The company offers customers who buy personal genetic reports the option to participate in its wider research program. | ||
| Currently, 23andMe stores data for more than 700,000 genotyped customers, and of these, more than 80% have not only opted into the research program, but have also actively answered survey questions. | ||
| Here's where it comes down. | ||
| There's a quote. | ||
| The way information becomes really valuable is when we can start to look at genetic information and also understand phenotypic data, explains the company representative. | ||
| Research looks something like this. | ||
| After first isolating all the customers who have stated on a survey that they have a particular allergy, say a cat allergy, a researcher might run a query to see if these customers share some genetic mutation, and with further analysis, find out where those variants are located in the DNA. | ||
| Those are the things we want to explore, 23andMe says. | ||
| But we can only do that if you answer questions. | ||
| Participation in biomedical research then really has two parts. | ||
| Consenting to use your genetic data and providing your personal information to enhance the value of the data. | ||
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Right. | |
| So, if you look at that just from a consumer model that 23andMe is using, that's what these biobanks that... | ||
| The information that comes from the babies at birth are going into. | ||
| It's the same sort of thing. | ||
| They're tricking people. | ||
| Chances are they were just sending out random generated medical reports. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's the reason the FDA said that they can't do that anymore is because it's like, we can't... | ||
| We don't know if we can confirm this, so you could be lying. | ||
| I think if it was random, they probably would be sued. | ||
| Because that would be the sort of thing that they could... | ||
| Yeah, but how would you know? | ||
| Like, you would have to do their thing. | ||
| That would come up in, like, an audit. | ||
| Or something like that. | ||
| An audit? | ||
| If the FDA is telling them not to do it anymore, they've probably looked into what they're doing. | ||
| I would assume. | ||
| Because the idea that you can't back this up, they would have an opportunity to say, we can back this up. | ||
| There would be a conversation. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| Also... | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| They don't want to because it's like a random-ass thing. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't think it's the same thing as giving a horoscope or something like that. | ||
| I think it is. | ||
| Okay, fine. | ||
| I think that's pretty much... | ||
| Neither of us can prove it. | ||
| I think that's pretty much what the FDA is saying. | ||
| Next point. | ||
| Neither of us can prove anything. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| But then they're just... | ||
| Keeping and selling your genetic information, you're giving up all of that information to them. | ||
| Keeping it and selling it to use towards breakthroughs in science that can be used to possibly isolate where these allergies come from and be able to make it so people don't have to suffer with those allergies anymore. | ||
| I have friends who are allergic to wheat. | ||
| I know somebody who's allergic to sunlight. | ||
| There are... | ||
| Really crippling allergies. | ||
| And if there were some sort of breakthrough that could be made, I think there's a lot of people whose lives could be greatly benefited from it. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Now that's assuming that all this isn't being abused. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know if I like a private company having all of that information able to be sold to anybody, though. | ||
| It's in their fucking small print, and people are paying to use their service. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I don't think that these people have any leg to stand on. | ||
| And I was looking for it. | ||
| I can't really find any abuses. | ||
| I can't find instances of abuses of this genetic information. | ||
| Flu season was particularly bad this year. | ||
| You think that's because of the... | ||
| All I'm saying... | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| ...is if I was going to use a database to genetically engineer a strain of the flu that could kill 90% of the population, I would definitely call 23andMe. | ||
| The flu season did not kill 90% of the population. | ||
| Are we sure yet? | ||
| I'm positive. | ||
| Maybe it was a test run. | ||
| It could be. | ||
| It killed a third of a percent of everybody who got infected or something like that? | ||
| So anyway, what I'm getting at here is that Alex has, again, the kernel of something that's like, eh, there is a privacy issue that more responsible bodies like the ACLU are working on and have been aware of and active on. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| where his paranoia and fear leads people to ignore the more important and socially and medically important elements of this. | ||
| So that seems to be sort of a runner. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, I mean, I don't have too much. | ||
| What would they do with, like, I keep trying to think of a negative thing that they could do if I gave them my genetic information. | ||
| They could copyright your genes and then be like, I own your body or something like that. | ||
| Is that a thing you can do, though? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I feel like that wouldn't hold up in court. | ||
| No, I don't think so either. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know exactly what the fear is. | ||
| He's never really super specific on it. | ||
| But anyway, let's get to this next clip because it's fun. | ||
| Put your mic down because this is another delightful moment in 2008 Alex Jones. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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I'll be here. | |
| Out in the West Texas town of El Paso, I fell in love with a Mexican girl. | ||
| The face scanning cameras were wonderful and happy. | ||
| I had to thumb scan to get in the bar. | ||
| The police demanded to drug test me. | ||
| I refused. | ||
| They tasered me five times and I had a heart attack and died. | ||
| I had that article here. | ||
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It's all part of being a slave and I love it. | |
| It's so much fun, oh please, beat me more. | ||
| All right, I'll stop. | ||
| This is the Easter fun show, you know. | ||
| Wild America, wild and free. | ||
| Face scanning cameras everywhere, everything you do tracked. | ||
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But he gave her the drink filled with fluoride, and she collapsed in a coma. | |
| That's enough, man. | ||
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But I wasn't allowed to own a gun in America anymore. | |
| And I wasn't allowed to fight either. | ||
| You know, in this country, the kids aren't allowed to play tag or dodgeball. | ||
| Now they're banning running during recess. | ||
| Again, everything's prison. | ||
| Great. | ||
| So that was Marty Robbins' great song, El Paso. | ||
| I know so many musical comedians who are jealous right now. | ||
| Those chops? | ||
| Because that writing? | ||
| Are you kidding me? | ||
| So good. | ||
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Nailed it. | |
| Get out of your way, Brady. | ||
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Weird Al! | |
| Fuck off! | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Get out of the way of Alex Jones' improv musical comedy. | ||
| Get him on whose line. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, like, that's still... | ||
| To sing the wrong song over another song. | ||
| That's kind of still charming. | ||
| Not as fun as The Highwaymen, perhaps, but still, it's nice that he takes time out of every episode to listen to an entire... | ||
| I love it so much! | ||
| Beat me! | ||
| He listens to an entire country song on every episode, which is delightful. | ||
| And I like that song a lot. | ||
| I think everyone knows it because of the penultimate episode of Breaking Bad features it pretty heavily. | ||
| But it's a great song. | ||
| It's a great song. | ||
| It's a good song! | ||
| El Paso, Marty Robbins. | ||
| I'm not going to say it's not a good song. | ||
| But, you know, all of his lyrics in there are... | ||
| Mischaracterizations of stories. | ||
| Which is fun. | ||
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I gave that woman some fluoride to drink. | |
| She passed out and I don't have a gun. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Great stuff. | ||
| In this next clip, I've been a little bit too generous to Alex throughout this show, perhaps already. | ||
| And we'll get to now why he's still bad. | ||
| He's still bad in 2008. | ||
| Uriah, go ahead. | ||
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Yeah, when I was going up the can with my dad... | |
| We saw about four helicopters just flying, like, just real close to the ground. | ||
| Those don't exist, sir. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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And then back up, just on the highway. | |
| Highways don't exist, sir. | ||
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Like, a lot of cops just all around running an operation. | |
| That's good. | ||
| Keeping you safe. | ||
| But if you say you don't like what they were doing, they don't exist. | ||
| If you say you appreciate it and want to live in a police state, they do exist. | ||
| You understand how that works, sir? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You've got to learn how to work like the average yuppie. | ||
| A yuppie thinks as long as they claim in their own mind they're winning and that they're on top of things that they are. | ||
| That's a loser's creed, is that the analogy is somebody's business is falling apart, their competition's kicking their butt, and they'll say, oh, my competition, they're in deep trouble. | ||
| Anything else you want to add, sir? | ||
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Oh, no. | |
| Nope, certainly doesn't. | ||
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He was trying to give him an assist. | |
| He was like, hey, we went up to Canada. | ||
| There were four helicopters and the police were doing an operation. | ||
| Go to town, Alex. | ||
| Tell me what was going on. | ||
| Give me a conspiracy theory. | ||
| And Alex was just like, nope. | ||
| No, because Alex uses it. | ||
| You bore me. | ||
| Alex is using it in service of a bigger conspiracy theory, and that is that, like, oh, yeah, you're not supposed to worry about that stuff. | ||
| If you believe for a second that those... | ||
| If you believe for a second. | ||
| If you believe that those people were probably just there doing some sort of a routine thing or some sort of operation... | ||
| You might be a globalist. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I was waiting. | ||
| I was waiting for you to finish in the middle. | ||
| You were waiting for me to finish. | ||
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I was being polite. | |
| Oh, were you? | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| So in this next clip... | ||
| I'm sorry, Dan. | ||
| Back to that last one. | ||
| The mentality is just like, you're an idiot if you believe anything is not a conspiracy, basically. | ||
| And that's a really dangerous mentality for him. | ||
| And that guy sounded young. | ||
| That caller sounded young. | ||
| He went up to Canada with his dad. | ||
| That didn't sound... | ||
| He might be in high school. | ||
| When you speak to people, you should not... | ||
| You shouldn't reinforce the worst parts of their mentality. | ||
| I think he's doing that to a certain extent. | ||
| He's just being a dick to this kid, man. | ||
| But again, I'm fucking torn because of stuff like this. | ||
| Yeah, I've got a syndicated radio transmission reaching millions every week Monday through Friday. | ||
| But that's not enough for me. | ||
| I get my butt in my car, and I drive down to the studios of NewsRadio 590 KLBJ, and we jack into the satellites and blast out on the AM and FM dial. | ||
| Communities across this country, travel cast on the Internet tour wave worldwide. | ||
| We're not giving up. | ||
| We're not going down without a fight. | ||
| Toe to toe with the New World Order scientific dictatorship. | ||
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And the big egghead scientists at the top that work for the big old bankers. | |
| The robber barons. | ||
| The black nobility of Europe. | ||
| The Machiavellian system. | ||
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Toe to toe with dehumanization. | |
| 110%. | ||
| Never back in now. | ||
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Never surrendering. | |
| Yeah, it's not the kill, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| It's the thrill of the fight. | ||
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And I can smell blood. | |
| We're going to bring them down. | ||
| They're afraid. | ||
| They've tried to dumb you down and turn you into a bunch of nerds that don't understand how the world really works. | ||
| But you're starting to wake up. | ||
| You're starting to feel the freedom again. | ||
| And you're starting to wake up. | ||
| Big Brother doesn't like that. | ||
| They pop in there. | ||
| That's a joke, folks. | ||
| We're back live. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was the best high school football speech I have ever heard in my entire life. | ||
| Move over, Coach Taylor. | ||
| Go fuck off. | ||
| There are two people who are moving over today. | ||
| Weird Al, Coach Taylor, get out of the way. | ||
| Cloudy eyes, closed hearts, can't lose. | ||
| Can't read. | ||
| He is so fucking into this. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| There is a... | ||
| You know when someone likes what they're doing and it's infectious. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And that comes off, man. | ||
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He just did a minute and a half yelling about how much he loves his job. | |
| That's all he was doing. | ||
| I know. | ||
| All that other stuff isn't real. | ||
| The black nobility of Europe. | ||
| No, he's fighting against the black nobility of Europe. | ||
| The black pope. | ||
| It's Solomon's temple. | ||
| You've got to fight against both popes. | ||
| All that stuff is so... | ||
| It's all not true, but man, the passion is. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| Yeah, I was ready to do a radio show. | ||
| I fucking dig it! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I can do another two hours of this show now. | ||
| I'm fucking wrecked. | ||
| I do not like the other stuff. | ||
| I mean, I don't like the other stuff about telling his callers to be afraid, be afraid that government's going to steal your blood, that shit. | ||
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They will. | |
| But fuck those moments. | ||
| I think what I'm getting at is... | ||
| I just don't want to be a nerd, Dan. | ||
| I don't either. | ||
| I'm not wrapping up the show, but I want to wrap up my feelings from earlier, I think, by saying that we have empathy. | ||
| We have human empathy. | ||
| Perhaps to our detriment. | ||
| Where I say that Alex is much better than, it probably comes from a place where I can feel him. | ||
| Being a happy man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I can feel him, even if he thinks all this stupid government, paranoia, fear, all this stuff, even if he thinks all that's real, his place in life is right. | ||
| This is where he belongs. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| That's a really good point. | ||
| The worst thing that ever happened to him is whatever artificial success he had at some point after this, because he's lost his way. | ||
| He's lost his soul entirely. | ||
| And it probably has much less to do with Trump than we think. | ||
| Like, because it's probably before that, even. | ||
| Like, because when we listen back to stuff from, like, 2013, 2014, he wasn't on the Trump bandwagon. | ||
| He's still, like, not as happy as he is there. | ||
| No. | ||
| Or when he's listening to Highwaymen. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He's fucking where he belongs. | ||
| New plan to fix Alex Jones now. | ||
| I don't think it can be done, but I think I know where you're going, but I don't think it can be done. | ||
| We get him to coach a Little League hockey team. | ||
| A Little League radio team? | ||
| And then they'll go up against Iceland and they'll win, and it'll be amazing. | ||
| He'll fall in love, but then he'll realize that that's not the woman for him. | ||
| He gets a cutout of George Soros. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| This is a distraction. | ||
| This is a fire in a barrel. | ||
| This is a distraction and a fire in a barrel. | ||
| Burn! | ||
| The flying conspiracy theory! | ||
| So in this next clip, Alex gets really blowhardy about history and religion. | ||
| Oh, they can even use the same slogan. | ||
| Ducks quack together. | ||
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Quacks fly together. | |
| So I can make a judgment about a culture being degenerate. | ||
| And the Aztec culture was degenerate. | ||
| And very satanic. | ||
| I mean, you ought to go down there and actually look at this. | ||
| They didn't have Satan! | ||
| Just thousands of skulls carved on the walls and just Hellraiser, man. | ||
| It was like Hellworld or something. | ||
| With just these power-tripping priests whacked out of their mind on drugs. | ||
| And by the way, the main meat for the public, the reason the general public liked the sacrifices, is they had a couple sacrifices every day, even in the smaller temple centers around villages. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| You know, they would have villages all around in a central city where they got their orders. | ||
| And they would kick the dead bodies of the people they sacrificed every day at sunup and sundown, and the people would get select meat cutlets. | ||
| In fact, you got the local sub-priest class would hang them up by their feet and cut up the select giblets. | ||
| The sub-priest class? | ||
| And sell the meat out at reduced prices. | ||
| And so you may think that's good. | ||
| I don't think that's good. | ||
| And so the main meat and the treasured meat was that of the children. | ||
| And I've interviewed top anthropologists on the subject. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| I'm probably with Al-Qaeda because I'm against that now. | ||
| Just worship Ishtar, buddy. | ||
| Everything's fine. | ||
| Why know about religions or backgrounds? | ||
| Just be ignorant. | ||
| Just march madness. | ||
| Everything's fine. | ||
| Just trust your government. | ||
| Everything's going to be fine. | ||
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Cool, cool. | |
| Cool, cool. | ||
| Blow hardy weight and that. | ||
| Human sacrifice in Aztec cultures is actually really fascinating. | ||
| There is a... | ||
| First of all, it happened monthly. | ||
| There was an 18-month calendar that the Aztecs operated under, and they'd have different specific sacrifices that they do to specific deities every month. | ||
| And the role of the one who is being sacrificed is actually really interesting as well. | ||
| Generally speaking, what the Aztecs believed was that their gods who came before sacrificed themselves that humans might live. | ||
| That was a foundational aspect of Aztec beliefs. | ||
| I mean, it's Christianity, too. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Jesus was sacrificed so we would live without sin. | |
| Right. | ||
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It's not uncommon in religious traditions. | |
| Christians are just less hardcore. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| The people who were being sacrificed, generally speaking, were very willing participants in it because they understood their role in the drama, the cosmic drama that was being played out. | ||
| And anthropologists who have studied it find it to be almost unbelievable that people were forced into the sacrifices most of the time. | ||
| There were some that were. | ||
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Right. | |
| But most of the time, they couldn't really have been because so much went along with being a sacrifice. | ||
| Like, you had to lead processions. | ||
| You had to give speeches, have people sing songs, go and talk to people. | ||
| Like, there was a really ritualistic part of being the sacrifice. | ||
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Right. | |
| And so this idea, first of all, they were doing it multiple times a day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You'd run out of folks. | ||
| Except in the instance of, like, christening new temples to Quetzalcoatl and stuff like that. | ||
| Then they would kill a lot of people. | ||
| Then it would be, like, there are varying reports on it, but, like, what people who really studied it come away from it with is that, like, it's Spaniard propaganda for the most part. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because the Spanish who came in and conquered... | ||
| They needed to justify a lot of their atrocities. | ||
| Yeah, these savages were saving lives. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The way they justified their actions a lot of the time would be like, they killed 80,000 people trying to christen this temple, when in reality it might have still been in the thousands, which is a lot of people. | ||
| That's too many people. | ||
| Right, but they had a four-day festival. | ||
| It's spread out a little bit. | ||
| I mean, that's hard to organize. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The organization... | ||
| The infrastructure for being able to kill thousands of people in a few days, that's rough. | ||
| That's a lot. | ||
| It's a well-oiled machine. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, like, what are we talking? | ||
| How many per hour... | ||
| I've never asked the question, how many sacrifices can you do per hour? | ||
| But now I want to know. | ||
| What do you think, like 20? | ||
| The propaganda argument, or that's just what I'm choosing to call it, because a lot of people have suggested that it is, was that over the Great Pyramid of Tenochtitlan in 1487, when it was built, that they sacrificed 80,400 people in four days. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Which would go to 14 sacrifices a minute for the four days. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Which is, I think, generally speaking, pretty unbelievable. | ||
| The real number is, from people who have looked at it more critically, is maybe 10,000? | ||
| That's still crazy. | ||
| And then old Aztecs who talked to missionaries told of a much lower figure, probably about 4,000 people, which is still a lot. | ||
| But it's part of their religious cosmology, and it's... | ||
| I don't know enough to fully break a lot of this stuff down, but from looking into it, the role of sacrifice of humans in their culture was really fucking fascinating. | ||
| They'd have played out wars between different Aztec cities where the goal of the war Right. | ||
| It was like playing out a drama through warfare where you were actually trained in warfare. | ||
| You know, you didn't practice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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But then also, you know, you know that if you get kabonged in the head with a rock, you're probably going back and taken to the temple. | |
| It's fascinating stuff. | ||
| I looked into it, and I realized that that is not the inspiration for Flag Day. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's a false cognate. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Other cultures are fascinating, and looking at them through solely the prism of our own culture, it's a definite way to end up hating other cultures or thinking they're worse than you. | ||
| But then also the cannibalism aspect. | ||
| There was some cannibalism. | ||
| I like the way that he described it, too, because he was like... | ||
| You would get sacrificed, and then they'd kick you all day, and then you would get... | ||
| No, they'd kick you down the steps. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, no, he said they'd kick you repeatedly all day. | ||
| Like, people would kick you all day. | ||
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I don't think that's what he said. | |
| And then they would hand out the meat. | ||
| I don't think that's what he said. | ||
| Because it sounded to me like what he was describing is that because of the kicking, you would get really tender human meat out of it. | ||
| That's why you misheard it. | ||
| That's what I was thinking, whenever he described it thusly. | ||
| He said they'd kick you down the temple stairs. | ||
| That's what he was getting at. | ||
| He said all day, though. | ||
| No, he didn't. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| He was saying that they were doing sacrifices all day. | ||
| You've got to tenderize the meat. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| The issue is that early anthropologists thought that because of the ecology and where the Aztec cities were located, that they wouldn't have had a ready source of protein. | ||
| And so this sacrificing of people was a way to create a source of protein. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Later studies have shown that that thinking is really dumb. | ||
| Probably wasn't true. | ||
| Yeah, because there were plenty of sources of protein. | ||
| There's like lizards and weasels, salamanders, fowl. | ||
| There's all sorts of birds and shit. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So they had maize and what have you and other crops that could feed their carbohydrate needs, but the theory of humans being needed for protein is not accurate. | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| Some people did get eaten. | ||
| People still get eaten now! | ||
| Sometimes you're going to get eaten. | ||
| But if there was this big societal need and everyone was clamoring for human flesh and what have you, it doesn't make sense that they would then take a lot of the organs that would be the best eaten and sacrifice those to the gods. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Well, that's what they do in Crystal Lake. | ||
| Illinois? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What? | ||
| I'm starting a new rumor. | ||
| I think Crystal Lake eats people. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| I'm fine. | ||
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And they sacrifice the choices cuts to Ishtar. | |
| The tastiest giblets. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So, from here on, Alex gets pretty dumb. | ||
| I would say. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But it's back to Ishtar and holidays. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| So let's jump into this. | ||
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Flag day. | |
| Alex starts off on one topic and jumps to... | ||
| This is another reason why I think he just fucking loves doing radio and no one being able to tell him what to do. | ||
| Because he doesn't make any goddamn sense in this clip. | ||
| He just goes from one topic to the next to the next to the next. | ||
| It's a show. | ||
| It's real simple. | ||
| Christianity was oppressed and dominated and attacked for several hundred years after Christ. | ||
| Then a Roman emperor decided to adopt it. | ||
| Constantine. | ||
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But the occultists wouldn't go away. | |
| And so they hid everything basically in plain view in all of the saints and all of the different holidays and when they celebrated Christ's birthday. | ||
| You know, that's for the middle of the winter, the dark. | ||
| Constantine. | ||
| That's just a way of looking at probable reality from the other side. | ||
| You could say that those... | ||
| Pagan symbols and pagan figures already existed, and when Constantine took over in the early, was it like 330 maybe? | ||
| Is that when he became emperor or something? | ||
| Somewhere around there. | ||
| When he came to power and converted to Christ, or Christianity, he took the pre-existing things and relabeled them in Christian tradition. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So as to appease the populaces together as you're trying to run a fucking empire. | ||
| I'm amazed that Alex isn't on their side, because it's like... | ||
| A massive government is telling you what religion to follow. | ||
| So he should be on the pagan side. | ||
| You would think he'd be on the pagan side, being like, I don't want the government telling me what God to worship. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| You know, when it starts then getting lighter after that, All Saints Eve is on the date of when they celebrate going in to the winter, out of the fall. | ||
| I mean, they have all of these dates. | ||
| They're all on key occult dates, all over Europe, all over the Mediterranean. | ||
| Again. | ||
| Right into Asia. | ||
| You're looking at this backwards. | ||
| And they hide them in plain view. | ||
| The bunny rabbit is the fertility symbol. | ||
| The egg is the fertility symbol for Ishtar. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Both of them. | ||
| The Babylonian goddess of fertility was worshipped all over in our different names. | ||
| Every culture has a fertility goddess. | ||
| This is all pre-Christianity stuff. | ||
| And the big Baptist churches with the big steeples, that is the male phallus. | ||
| And that is the Washington Monument. | ||
| They'll give you a tour and tell you that. | ||
| It is a giant male member. | ||
| The capitals are women's breasts. | ||
| Washington's dick. | ||
| The doorways into them. | ||
| I'm not going to go any further. | ||
| This is mainstream architecture. | ||
| Let's talk about pussies. | ||
| Mainstream historical info. | ||
| Temple priestess. | ||
| If you go get a tour of the Washington Monument or of the Texas Monument or the goddess on top of the Texas Capitol, they're very point-blank about it. | ||
| And that's because predating Christianity... | ||
| And then really taking over Judaism under Solomon, the son of King David. | ||
| You know the Star of David? | ||
| Do you know what that is? | ||
| That's the most powerful in occult black magic. | ||
| That is the most powerful symbol. | ||
| If you read the Old Testament, Solomon couldn't put the genie or the demon back in the bottle. | ||
| And so God gave him that symbol to have total control over devils. | ||
| I'm not saying this is real or not. | ||
| Robin Williams? | ||
| I'm telling you the history. | ||
| So the Star of David is a black magic symbol. | ||
| None of... | ||
| If God gave it to him. | ||
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It's the seal of Solomon. | |
| See, nothing you've been told is what it really is. | ||
| So they openly call Easter... | ||
| Nothing you're saying is what it really is. | ||
| You run around talking about Jesus, and if you actually look in the Roman annals, it's three months off from when he was actually crucified. | ||
| I've got to shut this down. | ||
| He rambles for a long time. | ||
| He gets into, like, why does the sun look red when you look at it? | ||
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It's dust. | |
| It's dust. | ||
| It's a lens effect. | ||
| It looks... | ||
| Shut up, Alex. | ||
| But you get what I'm saying. | ||
| He's rambling from topic to topic. | ||
| Yeah, whatever it is. | ||
| Anything that he can think of in that moment that you're wrong about, he'll just throw out there. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| The historical record that he's talking about, about Jesus being crucified, isn't the Jesus that we're talking about. | ||
| That's just another guy named Jesus who got crucified back then. | ||
| It was Jesus Tralfaz. | ||
| They crucified a lot of people back then, and the Jesus that he's referring to from the histories of Josephus and other historians from back then is not the Jesus that Christianity is based around. | ||
| There were a bunch of Jesuses. | ||
| It was not a singular name. | ||
| Well, chances are the Jesus that they're talking about is an amalgam of different characters. | ||
| That's what most people believe. | ||
| It's not even a real thing. | ||
| From what I understand from talking to religious studies professors, not my dad necessarily, but the historical Jesus belief is that there's two Jesuses who've been conflated. | ||
| The one that Alex is referencing was just a guy named Jesus who got crucified. | ||
| And then there was a hippie rabbi, also named Jesus. | ||
| Slightly different time periods don't quite match up perfectly who all the sayings are attributed to. | ||
| And history and especially... | ||
| Dan, you know what I hear? | ||
| Especially Paul. | ||
| Paul is particularly guilty of this because he was the one who wrote all those goddamn letters that ended up starting all these churches in Ephesus and Corinth. | ||
| That bastard. | ||
| His work probably had a lot to do with the conflation of the two. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| But whatever Alex is talking about isn't accurate. | ||
| What I'm hearing is a prince and the pauper situation. | ||
| That is already... | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| Why would you have a hippie rabbi? | ||
| Why would that come about? | ||
| No way would that happen then. | ||
| Do you know what it was? | ||
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Yeah, it would. | |
| It was some random Jesus. | ||
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There were a lot of them. | |
| It was some random Jesus who was walking around. | ||
| He met this other guy named Jesus. | ||
| They looked a lot alike. | ||
| Twins. | ||
| They were twins. | ||
| Right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Jesus had a secret twin. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| They switch clothes and live out their lives. | ||
| And it turns out, this is a real morality tale. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It turns out that the rabbi, if he didn't have his robes, he would have just been a criminal. | ||
| And that's what he became. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And the Jesus, if he had just had rabbi robes, he would have been Jesus. | ||
| See? | ||
| This makes perfect sense. | ||
| Makes total sense. | ||
| I think I've nailed this. | ||
| I think I've just finally got to the bottom of the Jesus story. | ||
| All you need to do is add in an explanation for why the sun looks red sometimes. | ||
| We're there. | ||
| We're perfect. | ||
| I was going to switch to a King Ralph, but no. | ||
| Can't do that. | ||
| That's a great morality tale. | ||
| Can't fit that one in there. | ||
| So in this next clip, Alex rambles more about goddess worship. | ||
| Just be aware of it. | ||
| I'm not saying you're going to hell if you put out some Easter eggs. | ||
| Just the point is realize it is a pagan ritual. | ||
| And the occultists, you know, they openly laugh about it and say, look at all these idiots out here. | ||
| They're practitioners of this. | ||
| You ever seen the movie Dragnet with Tom Hanks? | ||
| It's pretty good. | ||
| Well, that's how it actually works. | ||
| The cop's the drug dealer. | ||
| The big megachurch pastor, he's the high priest locally, generally. | ||
| I mean, they have hundreds of cults. | ||
| They usually run all of them. | ||
| And that's just how it works. | ||
| Dragnet reveals truth. | ||
| And they've got the big steeple. | ||
| That's always been true. | ||
| So here he's saying that if you have a big steeple on a church, what does that mean? | ||
| Oh, that's a big dick. | ||
| You're all in there, and it's a... | ||
| That means that this is a patriarchal religion. | ||
| You see, if the religion has a dome, it's goddess worship. | ||
| I'd like to ask you... | ||
| Like the rock of the dome? | ||
| Yeah, like mosques? | ||
| Like, what are we talking about? | ||
| So, Alex's whole idea about oppressing women is thrown on his face. | ||
| Islam being about oppressing women is kind of against his weird esoteric nonsense that he's rambling about now. | ||
| Churches and dicks. | ||
| They got domes on mosques. | ||
| Goddess worship. | ||
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Anyway. | |
| It makes sense. | ||
| All the domes are diaphragms. | ||
| Let me tell you another little esoteric secret. | ||
| Wherever you find a war memorial at a capital or anywhere else, look around you. | ||
| Let's say you're walking along next time and you see for the 5,000 dead in the cavalry battalion of whatever from Civil War, stop and go, wait, there'll be a goddess looking. | ||
| And look around you. | ||
| You will see within 100 yards, up on top of a big pillar, there will be a goddess. | ||
| And she'll have her hand outstretched towards the sacrifice. | ||
| This is all over the world. | ||
| Or vice versa. | ||
| You're driving along, and you see a goddess on top of a pillar, or you see it on top of a capital, or you see it at a university. | ||
| Go and stand in front of her, and then look. | ||
| And within about 100 degrees in front of her. | ||
| A hundred yards. | ||
| A lot of courtyard, or a lot of courtrooms, they'll have, like, a Lady Liberty. | ||
| You know, a statue or something like that. | ||
| There's a goddess in the courtroom because she demands injustice. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| I mean, this is just such nonsense. | ||
| This is the thinnest shit in the world. | ||
| The idea within a hundred yards... | ||
| Yeah, no, but that makes perfect sense. | ||
| Within a football field, there'll be a statue of a goddess. | ||
| Now, are we talking square footage or are we talking radial? | ||
| But look at... | ||
| I mean, like, think about it. | ||
| It has to be radial, by the way. | ||
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Yeah, well... | |
| But, like, think... | ||
| It's so dumb. | ||
| Most places that there are memorials are probably graveyards or some sort of big monument. | ||
| And the idea that there would be some sort of statue... | ||
| A goddess does not... | ||
| That's right in line with that stuff. | ||
| It does not, to me, ring of some esoteric order being like, the goddess demands blood. | ||
| But that's how Alex sees it, and that's interesting. | ||
| In a wedge shape, fanning out in front of her, generally straight in front of her, there will be a sacrifice. | ||
| They will put a dead war memorial in front of her. | ||
| She needs blood. | ||
| And so the practitioners of this religion, they had to be secretive about their Mithra cults and their Ishtar cults and the rest of it. | ||
| So, are there eulogia cults? | ||
| Remember, even ABC News admits that the Bushes worshipped eulogia, the Greek goddess, at Skull and Bones. | ||
| You see? | ||
| And if you study Hitler, he worshipped a goddess. | ||
| And this is just what they do. | ||
| So, I hope I've answered your question. | ||
| You haven't. | ||
| Wait, wait, wait. | ||
| What would that have been the answer of a question? | ||
| I don't even remember what the caller asked. | ||
| To what question is that an answer? | ||
| Well, I mean, I think the caller was talking about, can I put out eggs? | ||
| Because at the beginning of the clip, he says, you're not going to hell if you put out eggs. | ||
| What question could be answered with, Hitler worshipped a goddess? | ||
| None. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| So, do you know about the Greek goddess Eulogia? | ||
| No. | ||
| You couldn't because she doesn't exist. | ||
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Well, that's what happened. | |
| Neither do WMDs in Iraq in 2003, see? | ||
| Must be, yeah. | ||
| It's because they were worshipping a god that didn't exist. | ||
| Crack the code. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So Eulogia is a fake goddess that was created by the Skull and Bones, and they're trying to create a mythology around themselves when they first started. | ||
| That's dumb. | ||
| Yeah, it's very dumb. | ||
| But I mean, the more you look into the beginning of the Skull and Bones, the more you realize it's just a lot of dudes who didn't get into another frat, and then they started something really weird. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And it's gaudy and death. | ||
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What is it? | |
| What is it with... | ||
| Anytime weird, repressed white dudes get together, you get some weird shit like the KKK, like Grand Dragons and all that shit, and you're like, guys, you're Amway for racists. | ||
| Like, come on, why are you doing Wizards and Grand Dragons and all that shit? | ||
| Well, I mean, even like Alex breaking into Bohemian Grove, that stuff is like just repressed old white dudes getting weird with a showpiece play in the middle of the woods. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I'm not sure exactly what it is, but I do kind of identify with, like, if you're really rich and powerful, you probably get bored. | ||
| And, you know, that sort of pageantry is probably, like, eh, spices it up. | ||
| Let's go, you know, maybe go do some gay stuff in the woods for a little bit. | ||
| That sounds like a good weekend. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So, I mean, it's probably much less mysterious than our brains like to make it out to be. | ||
| In the same way that Skull and Bones, all of that stuff about jacking off in coffins and stuff like that, it's probably not true. | ||
| Or if it is, it's just weird dudes jerking off. | ||
| And finding an excuse to do it in front of their buddies. | ||
| And more likely than not, the reality is, hey, these weird fucking dudes back in the 1800s, they couldn't get into other prestigious frats and orders at Yale, I think, probably. | ||
| Yeah, who cares? | ||
| Burn them both down. | ||
| And so they just got together, created something fucking weird, and they're probably nerds. | ||
| And so they're like, let's do something as death stuff. | ||
| Yeah, they read a little bit too much Tolkien. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But the Silmarillion, not the good shit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That influenced them and they created this weird thing and now we all have to pay the price because people scream about it all the time. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Stop creating weird shit, old white dudes. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Eulogia does not exist. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| So we have one more clip to play because this show is not like... | ||
| He just talks about Ishtar through most of it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And it's like... | ||
| I can't beat that drum too hard. | ||
| But he says something towards the end of the show, and this is how he exits, and I have a lot to say about it, because there's a lot of problems. | ||
| Just like our government used al-Qaeda to attack the Serbs, when the Serbs fought back, they handed Kusma over to the Serbs. | ||
| You didn't know the history, go research it. | ||
| That's a Senate report on that. | ||
| I want to explain this again to you very, very slowly. | ||
| Our criminal government created al-Qaeda. | ||
| They used them to attack the Serbs. | ||
| Now they're using them to attack the Iranians. | ||
| But that isn't enough for our criminal media and government, corporate-controlled media. | ||
| They then come out and say that Iran is funding al-Qaeda and that Iran was behind 9-11 and that Iran is attacking Iraq with al-Qaeda. | ||
| It's the opposite group. | ||
| They're at war with the CIA and al-Qaeda. | ||
| Now, I'm not saying they're good. | ||
| All governments are evil. | ||
| History shows you that. | ||
| The point is al-Qaeda. | ||
| It's run by our criminal government. | ||
| That's a historical fact. | ||
| The hijackers were all U.S. government agents. | ||
| It's all documented in my films, PrisonPlanet.com. | ||
| God bless you. | ||
| See you live next Sunday and back tomorrow live. | ||
| So that's how he ends the show. | ||
| With 9-11 was an inside job? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a great way to end a show. | ||
| And it's all documented in my films, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| But, like, it's not... | ||
| Also, it was the Saudis. | ||
| Right, but his films are also not accurate. | ||
| What? | ||
| The two things that I want to say is, first, that mentality of, like, all governments are bad is really, I think, what more is motivating Alex. | ||
| Like, all the militia stuff and everything, he's really an anti-government guy. | ||
| And it's weird that now he's pro-Trumpian government. | ||
| But be that as it may, I think that that really sums him up in terms of his politics. | ||
| He's not a libertarian or anything like that, except in as much as that libertarians want almost no government. | ||
| Highest authority in the land is the local sheriff, Dan. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That's just a true fact. | ||
| So, he's talking about Al-Qaeda being used to start things off in Serbia. | ||
| And it just so happens that I have recently been reading this book. | ||
| It's called The Trigger, Hunting the Assassin Who Brought the World to War. | ||
| It's about the guy named Gavrilo Princip. | ||
| Who killed Prince... | ||
| Franz Ferdinand. | ||
| Yeah, Franz Ferdinand. | ||
| To start World War I. Yeah, that dude. | ||
| That fucking dick. | ||
| The reality is, in the 90s, there was an Islamic faction from out of seas, or out of the country, there was a Mujahideen in Bosnia. | ||
| But the way Alex is presenting this is really fucked up. | ||
| I'm just going to read to you a passage here from this book that I read recently. | ||
| I'm like, oh wow, this is very relevant. | ||
| The Muj from Bosnia were highly secretive during the war, but while I was researching this book, I made a breakthrough by tracking down one of the foreign Muslim fighters. | ||
| It turned out that he grew up a few miles from my hometown. | ||
| Shahid Butt was just two years older than me, born in Birmingham to parents originally from Pakistan. | ||
| Working as a reporter, I had first seen him in a Yemeni court in 1999 after he had been arrested and charged with terrorist activities committed in Aden, his Brummie accent being memorably out of place in the far edge of Arabia. | ||
| It would be more than a decade before I was able to sit down and talk to him about Bosnia at a cake shop serving Arabic tea and pastries in a Birmingham suburb with a particularly strong Islamic community. | ||
| The thing you have to remember is that when I was growing up in Britain in the 1970s, we had a difficult sense of our nationality, he said. | ||
| This was a time when the streets around my home would have walls painted with APL in huge letters. | ||
| That stood for Anti-Paki League. | ||
| And all through my teenage years, people like me were being abused in the streets, getting beaten up, having dogs set on us, that sort of thing. | ||
| Back then, just leaving your front door could get you in trouble. | ||
| When I left school, all I wanted to do was serve as a soldier. | ||
| I wanted to be a Royal Marine, right? | ||
| It was the time of the Falklands War, and the Royal Marines were the best of the best, all over the telly and in the papers. | ||
| So I went to a recruitment office and asked to join the Royal Marines. | ||
| You know what they told me? | ||
| They said, we cannot have you because you're a fat packy. | ||
| So do you know what I did for the next year? | ||
| I ran around the streets near my home in boots with a rucksack full of bricks, and I went back to the recruitment office 12 months later and asked to join the Royal Marines again. | ||
| This time, you know what they said? | ||
| Well, you're not a fat Paki anymore, but you're still a Paki. | ||
| In the early 90s, he started to attend mosques where some of the first radical clerics were beginning to preach. | ||
| It was around this time when the war in Bosnia began, and he watched video cassettes showing Bosnian Muslim victims of the war. | ||
| Quote, It's very confusing to begin with to see these Muslims with blue eyes and blonde hair. | ||
| It was not like anything I had seen before, but it was very traumatic, overwhelming, you know, just to learn that people were suffering like this just because they were Muslims. | ||
| He joined an aid convoy arranged through his local mosque that sent out two coaches from Britain full of supplies intended for Bosnia with the plan of bringing back refugees. | ||
| It ended in chaos as the vehicle got no further than Zagreb in Croatia and was unable to cross the border into the war zone. | ||
| Quote, there were these guys who were meant to have organized this. | ||
| I said to them, you said you were going to do one thing and you end up doing another. | ||
| We fell out. | ||
| It was useless. | ||
| So after some prayer, I joined up with a guy from London who had a van full of supplies and we managed to drive into Bosnia. | ||
| I had never been out of Birmingham, and there I was, all of a sudden in a war zone. | ||
| We gave out the food. | ||
| There were lines and lines of people, and they took it all, and that's where it came into my head. | ||
| The media likes to say a Muslim like me only fights because we're some kind of crazed psychotic, but it was not like that. | ||
| I went to Bosnia to bring humanitarian help, and after the aid ran out, what other humanitarian help could I give apart from protecting them? | ||
| These people could not protect themselves, and that's how I could help. | ||
| I would fight. | ||
| My mate with the van went crazy. | ||
| It's not like it is in the films, he said. | ||
| Are you for real? | ||
| How are you going to fight? | ||
| You don't know anyone here, and you don't have any weapons. | ||
| He went on and on, trying to talk me out of it, but I had made up my mind. | ||
| I wrote a letter to my wife, which he took with him, and then he was off in his van, and I sat there, six o 'clock in the morning, the sun still rising, next to the road in a town called Travnik. | ||
| So he gets picked up by a guy at the side of the road, and he ends up joining the Mujahideen forces. | ||
| And so, you know, he says, mostly he was training and training, but on a few occasions there were real fighting. | ||
| I don't want to say I was a hero or anything, but the times I took part in attacks, which were really heavy, yeah, guys on either side of me getting hit, that sort of thing. | ||
| I saw myself as a traditional Mujahideen. | ||
| I was a fighter, sure, but I was fighting to help the oppressed, to protect them against an aggressor. | ||
| It was a noble act, and one that I would do again. | ||
| But these guys who take part in suicide attacks, they're not true Mujahideen. | ||
| They're killing innocent people, and for me that makes no sense at all, from any point of view. | ||
| It makes no sense from a religious point of view, as it's not part of my religion. | ||
| And it makes no sense from a military point of view, a strategic perspective. | ||
| How are you going to win the hearts and minds of people if you kill people who are not involved? | ||
| Bosnia's role in the evolution of modern jihad has largely been overlooked, but in Shahid I had found an example of what can happen when the anger of young people is ignored. | ||
| Western politicians who stood by when the worst atrocities of the Bosnian War took place, ethnic cleansing, death camps, genocide, inadvertently provided Islamic militants with a rallying cry they would later use to justify acts of terrorism. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's another passage, a really short one, that I think really sums up some stuff that I just want to grab here real quick. | ||
| This is a quote from another guy that he was traveling with, the author here, Tim Butcher. | ||
| He was traveling with an interpreter and he's describing what they ended up experiencing because he lived through the war in the 90s. | ||
| And he was a Serbian Muslim who were, largely speaking, I know there's a lot of ins and outs and difficulties in terms of the Croats and the Muslims. | ||
| There's a lot of complication in terms of what caused the worst parts of the Bosnian War in the 90s. | ||
| This guy was a Bosnian Muslim in those times, and this quote really stuck with me. | ||
| And then all this shit comes along in the 90s. | ||
| Suddenly it matters if you're a Muslim or a Croat. | ||
| That stuff had been parked for years, for decades. | ||
| Those people who said, these people have always hated each other, were just being lazy. | ||
| In my own life, I saw people from different communities work together, live together, get married even. | ||
| There was nothing inevitable about what happened in the 90s. | ||
| It was just that a few, the extraordinary... | ||
| Extremists, the elite, the greedy, saw nationalism as a way to grab what they wanted. | ||
| Huh. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
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Huh. | |
| Ha! | ||
| That's such the same story that you hear from... | ||
| Everything. | ||
| Yeah, if you want to go to Germany in 1937, you go back and you hear those stories of like, we lived perfectly well next to all of our Jewish neighbors, and then one day it was like, no Jews allowed, and so many people just will go along with it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like the hatred and... | ||
| Scapegoating in the name of nationalism. | ||
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Yeah, everything I've read about that... | |
| Particular conflict always goes back to that situation. | ||
| And then after the war ends, which its ending is up for debate. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But it was like everybody tried to just forget. | ||
| You know, like, oh, that wasn't me. | ||
| That wasn't part of me. | ||
| I never hated you guys. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because you have to try and live together again. | ||
| Like, that's why... | ||
| And that's the experience that he runs into this Tim Butcher as he's writing... | ||
| Essentially what he does is he's writing a travelogue trying to follow the footsteps of Gavrilo Princip from a small town to Sarajevo. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And, you know, he runs into Croats and Muslims. | ||
| And along the way, everybody is kind of like... | ||
| It seems like there's almost confusion about what ended up happening. | ||
| And because it's very difficult to look in the face the reality of what you can be caught up in. | ||
| And the importance of that, I believe, is first of all, Alex is fucking lying about Al-Qaeda being used to start the war in Serbia in the 90s. | ||
| That's horseshit. | ||
| Yeah, that's absolutely nonsense. | ||
| But beyond that, the greater truths of what happened there are so applicable to modern time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And they would be such a good lesson for Alex to learn, especially seeing that the guy who he really is in favor of in 2018 is pretty... | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The idea of the ramping up of ICE deportations, the attempts at pinpointing every single Hispanic voter in various places to prove the voting rolls, the idea of posting and publicizing immigrant crimes, those sorts of things are all... | ||
| The steps that you will find if you look deeper into the history of schisms that end up taking place, like what happened in 1930s Germany, like what happened in the lead-up to the war in Serbia in the 90s. | ||
| These sorts of things that you're talking about, when people just break and they're like, I used to be fine with my Jewish neighbor and now I'm not. | ||
| They don't happen mysteriously. | ||
| It's not like you wake up one day and you hate your neighbor. | ||
| People teach you to hate your neighbor. | ||
| And those are the steps that people take to get you to hate your neighbor. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's fascinating to me and very depressing. | ||
| Well, and the story he tells is the story of terrorism in miniature. | ||
| Like, this guy was attempting to do good, obviously. | ||
| He was going out there doing everything he could to try and help people who the Western governments just watched die. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's a whole other foreign policy question that you can have. | ||
| What's the correct way to do all of that stuff? | ||
| Shahid's an example of the more realistic story of the beginnings of radicalization often. | ||
| And thankfully for him and the world, I guess, he didn't end up going down some sort of I'm going to bomb people route. | ||
| But you understand how easily that can get flipped. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| The wrong influence, the wrong... | ||
| A person in your ear could be the difference between someone who goes trying to give humanitarian aid, who decides to fight to protect the oppressed, and the guy who straps a bomb on. | ||
| But that's not the initial inciting factor. | ||
| I mean, the inciting factor is complete oppression. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or just, and I've said this... | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| If you want to talk about horrible shit that the government has done, killing one and a half million civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan and everywhere we fucking drone bomb people is definitely on par. | ||
| That's definitely on par with great murder towns. | ||
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Definitely. | |
| Like, we're not the good guys. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| And the same thing is true there with terrorism of... | ||
| We send a drone bomb to get a terrorist and wind up killing 20 people around them. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| You're one of those kids who survives and you look and you go, great, you killed a terrorist. | ||
| You also killed my family. | ||
| I hate you. | ||
| Who's bad? | ||
| You killed my family. | ||
| I would absolutely see why people become suicide bombers and become terrorists. | ||
| Because fucking you killed my family. | ||
| I totally get it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In terms of understanding. | ||
| Or if you want to go with the Saudi terrorists who perpetrated 9-11. | ||
| If you want to go through there. | ||
| That goes back. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, that's in the. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Those are the pages. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| Are we not allowed to say that? | ||
| No, I understand. | ||
| Are we going to get fatwa? | ||
| No, I understand that and that's fine. | ||
| But I just am wondering the direction you're going to go with. | ||
| Rationalizing 911. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| What I'm saying is the reasoning. | ||
| The reasoning behind it is America's actions protecting Israel and doing all of those different things and using military force to do so. | ||
| You go back to why these great acts of terrorism happen and you find that it's oftentimes just a constant tit for tat going back and back and back. | ||
| It's not like 9-11 happened because they hated our freedoms. | ||
| Right, and it's not like any of this stuff happens because... | ||
| Muslims are crazy! | ||
| Or anything like that. | ||
| I think maybe a more eloquent way to put what you're saying is that the results that you see always have a cause. | ||
| And the cause is generally trauma. | ||
| And it's directed trauma. | ||
| In the same way that seeing your town blown up by a drone or whatever would create... | ||
| It would definitely make you susceptible to somebody saying that you can do something about it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You're a young man. | ||
| There's a causation glitch that we have in society. | ||
| And, I mean, we can go back and forth and constantly bicker and argue about, like, you know, hey, well, we wouldn't have... | ||
| Droned that village if there wasn't that terrorist we were looking for there. | ||
| Then you can play out, like, what was that terrorist's beginning? | ||
| Oh, he had some other atrocity befall him. | ||
| Like, why did that happen? | ||
| Because we were fighting X, Y, and Z. And you can go back to the root of it, but I genuinely think that, I don't know, I think a more productive path would be to recognize that we are the ones who can change things. | ||
| Much more effectively by stopping doing that shit. | ||
| Well, that's the thing. | ||
| If you wanted none of this to happen, I think ultimately, if you go back in time, if there was one thing to change about 9-11, it would be immediately afterwards if we actually said as a country, like, we forgive you. | ||
| Like, for real. | ||
| Like, if we just said, you know what? | ||
| Fine. | ||
| We're going to build it back up the exact same way. | ||
| Yeah, that would have really hurt the country charts, though. | ||
| It would have murdered... | ||
| The entire country would have gone insane, but that's the only way, really, to stop that circle of violence. | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
| That's really what it is. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure, but you might be right. | ||
| That's why I think that, as far as nuclear war goes, eventually somebody is going to drop one. | ||
| And I think the only way to stop everybody from dying is for... | ||
| The government to go, like, that's that. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| You can't do anything. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's a tough conversation that's full of all sorts of vagaries and who knows. | ||
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Right. | |
| But anyway, we've got to wrap it up. | ||
| You've got to show tonight. | ||
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Yep. | |
| But, guys, if you want to check us out, we have our website, knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yeah, you can follow us on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| On Twitter, yes, and we're on Facebook. | ||
| We are on Facebook. | ||
| You can go to iTunes. | ||
| You can leave a review. | ||
| You can show your friends. | ||
| Show your friends. | ||
| Sure, please. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, just show them. | ||
| Show them. | ||
| Just show them. | ||
| Point at it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wherever the sun rises in the east, pray six times a day to... | ||
| Wait, no. | ||
| Is that not what we're doing? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Anyways, who do... | ||
| I'm going to say... | ||
| I'm going to name one. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Me. | ||
| Because of my being too nice to Alex Jones at the beginning of the show. | ||
| Well, then, Dan... | ||
| I can go fuck myself. | ||
| Dan, go fuck yourself. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |