In Knowledge Fight #124, Dan Friesen and Jordan Holmes dissect Alex Jones’ March 23, 2008, Easter broadcast—where he falsely linked the holiday to Ishtar, a Babylonian fertility goddess, despite historical corrections. He also exaggerated Aztec sacrifices as daily child-killing rituals, dismissed Christian origins, and peddled debunked claims that the U.S. created al-Qaeda via a nonexistent Senate report. Contrasting Jones’ conspiracy-driven narratives with real cases like Shaheed Butt’s radicalization from Bosnian genocide trauma, they expose how his rhetoric distorts history while ignoring systemic violence’s role in extremism, underscoring his later shift toward harmful, evidence-free alarmism. [Automatically generated summary]
And so, like, nowadays, whenever he wants a day off or something like that, or he wants to, like, you know, maybe do a half day, he'll have David Knight fill in or something like that.
It is Ishtar Day when we worship Ishtar, the mother goddess of Babylon, and we simulate fertility through the rabbits.
That's why Playboy Symbol is a rabbit, because rabbits are well known for their sexual stamina and how many cycles of young that they can birth each year.
Still going to terms like they're breeding like rabbits.
That's why Hugh Hefner picked the rabbit as the symbol for his Playboy Empire.
And so, in the last 60 years, our children have been trained to not be Christian on this holiday.
But for hundreds of years, it's been called Easter, the occult symbolism hidden in plain view, the Eastern worship of Ishtar, the mother goddess, fertility, the eggs, the rabbit.
And it is a huge fertility ritual.
We just had the beginning of spring a couple days ago, and then we celebrate the high occult practiced by different occult branches all over the world.
From the Aztecs to the Babylonians, of course, to the Druids.
So Easter in Latin and Greek is known as Pascha, which comes from Pascha, from the Aramaic word, or the cognate to the Hebrew name Pesach, which is, you know, Passover.
Sure.
But also, the word Easter doesn't come from Ishtar.
It just sounds similar.
It's a false cockney.
This is something that's been debunked a whole bunch.
Ishtar is a goddess of fertility and what have you, but also in the same way that Greek goddesses would have multiple purposes, she also is a goddess of warfare.
And the animal that she's associated with is a lion.
But the most accepted theory about the name Easter is that it's derived from the name of an old English goddess mentioned by the 7th to 8th century English monk Beattie, who wrote about Old English month of Eoster, which is translated back then as Pashal month, which goes to Passover.
But yeah, the Eoster month goes back to Ostara, the goddess Ostara, which is actually, I mean, it makes a whole lot more sense.
The issue is like, okay, do you, Alex, what he wants to say is there's pagan shit behind holidays.
And in springtime, all over the world, different cultures, they had different names for the goddess, but it was always the goddess, would engage in different sacrifices.
Sometimes a goat, sometimes a ram, sometimes a bull, sometimes a horse.
So, yeah, I mean, it is true that it does seem like throughout cultures there are, you know, like in Greek mythology, there's Demeter and Persephone with the coming of spring being the Persephone is let out of Hades for a couple months to hang out with her mom.
But the argument that you could educate your audience on about the sort of pagan and druidic origins of a lot of holidays, you could actually teach them something if you wanted to.
And the police in L.A. are pushing, and they've done it in some cities where your car has to have an automatic kill switch for the police.
Because, see, somebody might run from them, so we're all guilty until proven innocent, so we all got to have a kill switch in our car.
Of course, who's going to watch the government?
Who historically is the most dangerous thing we have to look out for?
It doesn't matter.
Automatic kill switches in cars will all be fitted with our taser bracelets or necklaces.
Again, you can't make this up.
You can't make this up.
This is not a spoof or satire.
You'll laugh and say it's not true today, but when you hear about it on the news next month, you will, in double think, shift and say, okay, I'm for it.
That's how you've been pre-programmed with high-tech mind control of the television that then leaks out into the culture and then is amplified by the cultural zeitgeist known as the peer-pressure 100th monkey nexus overdrive.
I would also say that I kind of agree with him that the idea of all cars having a kill switch in them is not good necessarily, but I also see the practical application of it.
You hear about it from time to time, an old person behind the wheel will run through a crowd, or there are terrorist attacks that use cars now that seem to be happening in Europe every now and again.
The only problem is now you're talking about a remote kill switch, and as we know about any kind of remote technology, it's going to get hacked by somebody who knows how to use it better than you do, so they can do whatever they want with it.
I think there's smarter voices that do it, but possibly not more popular ones.
Now, granted, his positions are alarmist and paranoid and not based in reality.
But I'm not saying he's right.
But what I'm saying is that at this point, it's not at least, I mean, it might get worse as the episode goes along, but like he's not as offensive as he is six years later.
Remember, this is a fellow in Palestine in Jesus Christ by putting out purple, green, and pink Easter eggs and hopping around.
You know, imagine if somebody fell asleep 50 years ago and just now woke up out of cryo freeze and turned on the news and they were proposing that we all walk around wearing shock bracelets.
If it makes the officer feel more relaxed, shouldn't the entire public be fitted with a shock bracelet?
Oh, yeah.
I'm definitely al-Qaeda because I don't want to wear my shock bracelet.
I'm willing to accept that there is a part of me saying he is a re not reasonable, but he is a not terrible voice in the media landscape because I identify with having your own radio show and how exciting that must be.
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It's like a little bit of a surface impossible there.
No, what I'm saying is back then, there is a purpose in society that he's fulfilling to some degree, which is being, like you said, that crazy voice.
That guy who yells stuff, and like maybe one time out of 50, he's right.
But because of how crazy it is, it causes you to take a step back and re-examine your positions.
He's not that now.
No.
But going back and listening to this same guy doing something very different back then, I guess maybe it's sort of growing pains or shock of jumping back in time that I'm experiencing this.
might reinforce some people's underlying racism or fears of various things but i mean that's if you look at what was going on on like fox news in 2008 it's really not that different No.
It's no different than libertarian or conservative just stock and trade bigotry to some extent.
And there are some issues, and the ACLU in particular is working and has worked towards this idea.
Because it goes state by state in terms of like, so what they do is they take blood from your baby, and you get screened for all sorts of diseases at birth because some of them are things that can be dealt with very easily immediately, but will be unreversible later.
And tests can be done in terms of the data that comes from it is incredibly valuable in terms of tracing correlations in order to track genes for other genetic conditions and things like that.
Now, a lot of the time, that information, it's unidentified.
It has all the identifiers taken away from it.
Your name isn't connected to it or anything like that.
But it is still a very weird area in terms of consent and privacy.
And the ACLU is working and has been for years trying to allow people to have their rights in terms of if they feel violated by that, taking people to court and that sort of thing, which is a much more there's the story of the black woman's blood and genetic material that was cultured again and again and again for like 60 years or something like that.
There's an article in Newsweek from 2014 that sort of really brought things home for me.
I'll just read to you here.
Thinner than average with serious shadowed eyes, Kevin Anderson, 36, has worked as a filmmaker for over 10 years.
He's traveled throughout Europe and the Americas producing web and sports videos, news packages, and documentary shorts.
In his infancy, he was diagnosed with a rare genetic condition, commonly referred to as PKU, where the body cannot properly break down protein.
Throughout his life, he's taken medicine and followed a special low-protein diet, but other than these restrictions, he enjoys a healthy life.
Recently, though, he stumbled across this video that showed people with undiagnosed PKU.
While he had often heard stories about what would happen if he had never treated his condition, quote, I'd never seen pictures of it.
I'd never encountered it myself, so it wasn't quite real to me, he says.
And when I watched that video, he trails off choking up, pausing until the heartbreak passes.
It just captured me.
I had the sudden realization that I would have become mentally retarded.
I would have been in an institution had it not been for newborn screening.
And that story is true for thousands and thousands of people every year, not just with PKU, but with all sorts of conditions that would deteriorate their life.
It would be a situation.
Like I said, things are treatable and manageable initially, but later will not be.
23andMe, a consumer genetics company, will genotype your DNA and provide you with ancestry-related reports and raw data.
Previously, 23andMe's reports included odd ratios for certain medical conditions.
But in November 2013, the FDA prohibited the company from continuing to sell health reports as they could not be analytically or clinically validated.
In reality, a health report may just be the most enticing carrot 23andMe was able to dream up in order to get your DNA in its computers.
As noted by the authors of an article in the New England Journal of Medicine, quote, 23andMe has suggested that its longer-range goal is to collect a massive biobank of genetic information that can be used and sold for medical research and could also lead to patentable discoveries.
So the real money then isn't selling you a health analysis.
It's in using and selling your data for biomedical research.
It's not much different from how Google, Yahoo, and Facebook give us search engines, email, and social networking for free, only to sell all the information they gather to anyone wishing to market products to us.
23andMe has already conducted research funded by the NIH and collaborated with academic and industry partners.
The company offers customers who buy personal genetic reports the option to participate in its wider research program.
Currently, 23andMe stores data for more than 700,000 genotyped customers, and of these, more than 80% have not only opted into the research program, but have also actively answered survey questions.
And here's where it comes down.
The way information becomes really valuable is when we can start to look at genetic information and also understand phenotypic data, explains a company representative.
Research looks something like this.
After first isolating all the customers who have stated on a survey that they have a particular allergy, say a cat allergy, a researcher might run a query to see if these customers share some genetic mutation, and with further analysis, find out where those variants are located in the DNA.
Quote, those are the things we want to explore, 23andMe says.
But we can only do that if you answer questions.
Participation in biomedical research then really has two parts.
Consenting to use your genetic data and providing your personal information to enhance the value of the data.
Right.
So if you look at that just from a consumer model that 23andMe is using, that's what these biobanks that the information that comes from the babies at birth are going into.
Like chances are they were just sending out random generated medical reports.
Right.
I don't know what's like that's the reason the FDA said that they can't do that anymore is because it's like we can't we don't know if we can confirm this so you could be lying.
I think if it was random they probably would be sued because that would be the sort of thing that they could yeah but how would you know because that would like you would have to do that that would come up in like an audit or something like that.
If the FDA is telling them not to do it anymore they've probably looked into what they're doing.
I would assume because the idea that you can't back this up they would have an opportunity to say we can back this up there would be a conversation yeah that's what I'm saying also that's what I'm saying they don't want to and they because it's because it's like a random ass thing I don't know like they're just the same thing as like giving a horoscope Horoscope or something like that.
Keeping it and selling it to use towards breakthroughs in science that can be used to possibly isolate where these allergies come from and be able to make it so people don't have to suffer with those allergies anymore.
I have friends who are allergic to wheat.
I know somebody who's allergic to sunlight.
You know, like there are really crippling allergies.
And if there were some sort of breakthrough that could be made, I think there's a lot of people whose lives could be greatly benefited from it.
You think that's because of the use of database to genetically engineer a strain of the flu that could kill 90% of the population, I would definitely call 23andMe.
So anyway, what I'm getting at here is that, you know, Alex has, again, the kernel of something that's like, eh, there is a privacy issue that, you know, more responsible bodies like the ACLU are working on and have been aware of and active on.
Yes.
Where his paranoia and fear leads people to ignore the more important and socially and medically important elements of this.
Yeah, I've got a syndicated radio transmission reaching millions every week, Monday through Friday.
But that's not enough for me.
I get my butt in my car and I drive down to the studios of News Radio 590 KLBJ and we jack into the satellites and blast out on the M ⁇ M dial.
Communities across this country, travel cast on the internet shortwave worldwide.
We're not giving up.
We're not going down without a fight.
Toe-to-toe with the New World Order scientific dictatorship and the big egghead scientists at the top that work with the big old bankers, the robber barons, the black nobility of Europe, the Machiavellian system.
I mean, I don't like the other stuff about telling his callers to be afraid, be afraid that government's going to steal your blood, that shit.
But fuck those moments.
I think what I'm getting at is I just don't want to be a nerd, Dan.
I don't either.
I'm not wrapping up the show, but I want to wrap up my feelings from earlier, I think, by saying that we have empathy.
We have human empathy.
And I think where I say that Alex is much better than it probably comes from a place where I can feel him being a happy man.
I can feel him, even if he thinks all this stupid government, paranoia, fear, all this stuff, even if he thinks all of that's real, his place in life is right.
Just thousands of skulls carved in the walls and just Hellraiser, man.
It was like Hell World or something.
With just these power-tripping priests whacked out of their mind on drugs.
And by the way, the main meat for the public, the reason the general public liked the sacrifices is they had a couple sacrifices every day, even in the smaller temple centers around villages.
You know, they would have villages all around and then a central city where they got their orders.
And they would kick the dead bodies of the people they sacrifice every day at sun up and sundown.
And then people would get select meat cutlets.
In fact, you got the local sub-priest class would hang them up by their feet and cut up the select priest class and sell the meat out at reduced prices.
And so you make good.
I don't think that's good.
And so the main meat and the treasured meat was that of the children.
And I've interviewed top anthropologists on the side.
It doesn't matter.
I'm probably with Alcata because I'm against that now.
Human sacrifice in Aztec cultures is actually really fascinating.
First of all, it happened monthly.
There was 18-month calendar that the Aztecs operated under, and they'd have different specific sacrifices that they do to specific deities every month.
And the role of the one who is being sacrificed is actually really interesting as well.
Generally speaking, what the Aztecs believed was that their gods who came before sacrificed themselves that humans might live.
But the people who were being sacrificed, generally speaking, were very willing participants in it because they understood their role in the drama, the cosmic drama that was being played out.
And anthropologists who have studied it find it to be almost unbelievable that people were forced into the sacrifices most of the time.
There were some that were.
But most of the time, they couldn't really have been because so much went along with being a sacrifice.
Like, you had to lead processions, you had to give speeches, have people sing songs, go and talk to people.
Like there was a really ritualistic part of being the sacrifice.
Except in the instance of christening new temples to Quetzalcoatl and stuff like that.
Then they would kill a lot of people.
Then it would be like there are varying reports on it, but like what people who really studied it come away from it with is that it's Spaniard propaganda for the most part.
The way they justified their actions a lot of the time would be like they killed 80,000 people trying to christen this temple when in reality it might have still been in the thousands, which is a lot of people.
Was that over the Great Pyramid of Tenachi Chitlan in 1487 when it was built, that they sacrificed 80,400 people in four days, which would go to 14 sacrifices a minute for the four days.
Which is, I think, generally speaking, pretty unbelievable.
The real number is from people who have looked at it more critically, is like maybe 10,000, which is a ton.
And then old Aztecs who talked to missionaries told of a much lower figure, probably about 4,000 people, which is still a lot.
But it's part of their religious cosmology.
And it's, I don't know enough to fully break a lot of this stuff down, but from looking into it, the role of sacrifice of humans in their culture was really fucking fascinating.
They'd have played out wars between different Aztec cities where the goal of the war was not to kill each other.
It was to injure someone, bring them back to be sacrificed.
And the people who were on both sides knew that that was their role, were they to be injured?
It was like playing out a drama through warfare where you were actually trained in warfare.
Other cultures are fascinating, and looking at them through solely the prism of our own culture is a definite way to end up hating other cultures or thinking they're worse than you.
The issue is that early anthropologists thought that because of the ecology and where the Aztec cities were located, that they wouldn't have had a ready source of protein.
And that so this sacrificing of people was a way to create a source of protein.
Yeah.
And later studies have shown that that thinking is probably wasn't true.
Yeah, because there were plenty of sources of protein.
There's like lizards and weasels, salamanders, fowl.
So like they had maize and what have you and the other crops that could feed their carbohydrate needs, but the theory of humans being needed for protein is not accurate.
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But don't get me wrong, some people did get eaten.
But if there was this big societal need and everyone was clamoring for human flesh and what have you, it doesn't make sense that they would then take a lot of the organs that would be the best eaten and sacrifice those to the gods.
Alex starts off on one topic and jumps to this is another reason why I think he just fucking loves doing radio and no one being able to tell him what to do because he doesn't make any goddamn sense in this clip.
He just goes from one topic to the next to the next to the next.
When he came to power and converted to Christ or Christianity, he took the pre-existing things and relabeled them in Christian tradition so as to appease the populaces together because you're trying to run a fucking empire.
You know, when it starts then getting lighter after that, all Saints' Eve is on the date of when they celebrate going in to the winter out of the fall.
I mean, they have all of these things.
They're all on key occult dates all over Europe, all over the Mediterranean.
They crucified a lot of people back then, and the Jesus that he's referring to from the histories of Josephus and other historians from back then is not the Jesus that Christianity is based around.
From what I understand from talking to religious studies professors, not my dad necessarily, but the historical Jesus belief is that there's two Jesuses who've been conflated.
The one that Alex is referencing was just a guy named Jesus who got crucified.
And then there was a hippie rabbi, also named Jesus.
Slightly different time periods don't quite match up perfectly who all the sayings are attributed to.
Paul is particularly guilty of this because he was the one who wrote all those goddamn letters that ended up starting all these churches in Ephesus and Corinth.
Wherever you find a war memorial at a capital or anywhere else, look around you.
Let's say you're walking along next time and you see for the 5,000 dead and the cavalry battalion of whatever from civil war, stop and go, wait, there'll be a goddess looking.
And look around you.
You will see within 100 yards, up on top a big pillar, there will be a goddess.
And she'll have her hand outstretched towards the sacrifice.
This is all over the world.
Or vice versa.
If you're driving along and you see a goddess on top of a pillar, or you see it on top of a capital, or you see it at a university, go and stand in front of her and then look.
But I mean, the more you look into the beginning of the Skull and Bones, the more you realize it's just a lot of dudes who didn't get into another frat and then they started something really weird.
Well, I mean, even Alex Breaking into Bohemian Grove, that stuff is just repressed old white dudes getting weird with a showpiece play in the middle of the woods.
And more likely than not, the reality is, is like, hey, these weird fucking dudes back in like the 1800s, they couldn't get into other prestigious frats and orders at Yale, I think probably.
The reality is, in the 90s, there was an Islamic faction from out of seas or out of the country called in Bosnia.
But the way Alex is presenting this is really fucked up.
I'm just going to read to you a passage here from this book that I read recently.
I'm like, oh, wow, this is very relevant.
The Muj from Bosnia were highly secretive during the war, but while I was researching this book, I made a breakthrough by tracking down one of the foreign Muslim fighters.
It turned out that he grew up a few miles from my hometown.
Shaheed Butt was just two years older than me, born in Birmingham to parents originally from Pakistan.
Working as a reporter, I had first seen him in a Yemeni court in 1999 after he had been arrested and charged with terrorist activities committed in Eden.
His Brummy accent being memorably out of place in the far edge of Arabia.
It would be more than a decade before I was able to sit down and talk to him about Bosnia at a cake shop serving Arabic tea and pastries in a Birmingham suburb with a particularly strong Islamic community.
Quote, The thing you have to remember is that when I was growing up in Britain in the 1970s, we had a difficult sense of our nationality, he said.
This was a time when the streets around my home would have walls painted with APL in huge letters that stood for Anti-Packy League.
And all through my teenage years, people like me were being abused in the streets, getting beaten up, having dogs set on us, that sort of thing.
Back then, just leaving your front door could get you in trouble.
When I left school, all I wanted to do was serve as a soldier.
I wanted to be a Royal Marine, right?
It was the time of the Falklands War, and the Royal Marines were the best of the best, all over the telly and in the papers.
So I went to a recruitment office and asked to join the Royal Marines.
You know what they told me?
They said, we cannot have you because you're a fat packy.
So do you know what I did for the next year?
I ran around the streets near my home in boots with a rucksack full of bricks, and I went back to the recruitment office 12 months later and asked to join the Royal Marines again.
This time, you know what they said?
Well, you're not a fat packy anymore, but you're still a packy.
In the early 90s, he started to attend mosques where some of the first radical clerics were beginning to preach.
It was around this time when the war in Bosnia began, and he watched video cassettes showing Bosnian Muslim victims of the war.
It's very confusing to begin with to see these Muslims with blue eyes and blonde hair.
It was not like anything I had seen before, but it was very traumatic, overwhelming, you know, just to learn that people were suffering like this just because they were Muslims.
He joined an aid convoy arranged through his local mosque that sent out two coaches from Britain full of supplies intended for Bosnia, with the plan of bringing back refugees.
It ended in chaos as the vehicle got no further than Zagreb in Croatia and was unable to cross the border into the war zone.
There were these guys who were meant to have organized this.
I said to them, You said you were going to do one thing and you end up doing another.
We fell out.
It was useless.
So after some prayer, I joined up with a guy from London who had a van full of supplies and we managed to drive into Bosnia.
I had never been out of Birmingham and there I was all of a sudden in a war zone.
We gave out the food.
There were lines and lines of people and they took it all and that's where it came into my head.
The media likes to say a Muslim like me only fights because we're some kind of crazed psychotic, but it was not like that.
I went to Bosnia to bring humanitarian help, and after the help or the aid ran out, what other humanitarian help could I give apart from protecting them?
These people could not protect themselves, and that's how I could help.
I would fight.
My mate with the van went crazy.
It's not like it is in the films, he said.
Are you for real?
How are you going to fight?
You don't know anyone here and you don't have any weapons.
He went on and on trying to talk me out of it, but I'd made up my mind.
I wrote a letter to my wife which he took with him, and then he was off in his van.
And I sat there, six o'clock in the morning, the sun still rising, next to the road in a town called Travnik.
So he gets picked up by a guy at the side of the road and he ends up joining the Mujadin forces.
And so he says mostly he was training and training, but on a few occasions there were real fighting.
I don't want to say I was a hero or anything, but the times I took part in attacks which were really heavy.
Yeah, guys on either side of me getting hit, that sort of thing.
I saw myself as a traditional Mujadin.
I was a fighter, sure, but I was fighting to help the oppressed, to protect them against an aggressor.
It was a noble act, and one that I would do again.
But these guys who take part in suicide attacks, they're not true Mujahadin.
They're killing innocent people, and for me that makes no sense at all, from any point of view.
It makes no sense from a religious point of view, as it's not part of my religion.
And it makes no sense from a military point of view, a strategic perspective.
How are you going to win the hearts and minds of people if you kill people who are not involved?
Bosnia's role in the evolution of modern jihad has largely been overlooked, but in Shaheed I had found an example of what can happen when the anger of young people is ignored.
Western politicians who stood by when the worst atrocities of the Bosnian war took place, ethnic cleansing, death camps, genocide, inadvertently provided Islamic militants with a rallying cry they would later use to justify acts of terrorism.
huh so the thing that's that's such the same story that you hear from everything yeah Yeah.
If you want to go to Germany in 1937, you go back and you hear those stories of like, we lived perfectly well next to all of our Jewish neighbors, and then one day it was like no Jews allowed, and so many people just will go along with it.
And they would be such a good lesson for Alex to learn.
Especially seeing that the guy who he really is in favor of in 2018 is presiding over one of the worst instances of racial scapegoating that we've seen maybe in our lifetimes for sure.
The idea of the ramping up of ICE deportations, the attempts at pinpointing every single Hispanic voter in various places to prove the voting roles, the idea of posting and publicizing immigrant crimes.
Those sorts of things are all the steps that you will find if you look deeper into the history of schisms that end up taking place, like what happened in 1930s Germany, like what happened in the lead up to the war in Serbia in the 90s.
These sorts of things that you're talking about, when people just break and they're like, I used to be fine with my Jewish neighbor and now I'm not.
They don't happen mysteriously.
Like, it's not like you wake up one day and you hate your neighbor.
Shahid's an example of the more realistic story of the beginnings of radicalization often.
And thankfully, for him and the world, I guess, he didn't end up going down some sort of I'm going to bomb people route, but you understand how easily that can get flipped.
The wrong influence, the wrong person in your ear could be the difference between someone who goes trying to give humanitarian aid, who decides to fight to protect the oppressed, and the guy who straps a bomb on.
I mean, the inciting factor is complete oppression.
Right.
Or just, and I've said this before.
And you know what?
If you want to talk about horrible shit that the government has done, killing one and a half million civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan and everywhere we fucking drone bomb people is definitely on par.
Right, and it's not like any of this stuff happens because Muslims are crazy or anything like that.
I think maybe a more eloquent way to put what you're saying is that the results that you see always have a cause, and the cause is generally trauma, and it's directed trauma.
In the same way that seeing your town blown up by a drone or whatever would create it would definitely make you susceptible to somebody saying that you can do something.
There's a causation glitch that we have in society.
And I mean, we can go back and forth and constantly bicker and argue about like, you know, hey, well, we wouldn't have droned that village if there wasn't that terrorist we were looking for there.
Then you can play out like, what was that terrorist's beginning?
Oh, he had some other atrocity befall him.
Like, why did that happen?
Because we were fighting X, Y, and Z.
And you could go back to the root of it, but I genuinely think that, I don't know, I think a more productive path would be to recognize that we are the ones who can change things much more effectively by stopping doing that shit.
I think ultimately, if you go back in time, if there was one thing to change about 9-11, it would be immediately afterwards if we actually said as a country, like, we forgive you.
Like, for real.
Like, if we just said, you know what?
Fine.
We're going to build it back up the exact same way.