Today, Dan and Jordan embark on a new investigation, trying to figure out exactly where Alex Jones became a cult member for Trump. The gents begin where their last investigation left off, and it appears that Alex has decided on a new attitude of 2016, namely abruptly pushing for the impeachment of Obama.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan! | ||
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| That is what we do. | ||
| Indeed it is. | ||
| Let me ask you a question. | ||
| Please do. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Can you put it in the form of two questions? | ||
| All right. | ||
| So, if you were about to be indicted... | ||
| Were I? | ||
| Were you about to be indicted? | ||
| Let's bring it into the subjunctive. | ||
| Would you appreciate it if the leading propagandist of our times, at least the craziest propagandist of our times. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| The most bizarrely effective. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| Against all odds. | ||
| Alex Jones, very effective. | ||
| Would you like it if he was a huge fan of yours? | ||
| No, it would probably be bad. | ||
| Probably be a bad look. | ||
| It wouldn't be good. | ||
| Well, because it sort of... | ||
| You then have to analyze who else is he a big fan of. | ||
| And then it starts to become like, uh-oh. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| That's really good analysis, and that suggests the answer to my next question. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Who knows more about Alex Jones between the two of us? | ||
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This guy. | |
| I don't know anything about Alex Jones. | ||
| That was the most successful opening bit we've ever done. | ||
| And yet at the same time, I felt very weird, like I backed you into a corner with the double question thing. | ||
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Always. | |
| So anyway, we like to drink novelty beverages today. | ||
| We're on the Elysian Fields with a Space Dust IPA. | ||
| If you'd like to sponsor us, Elysian, or whatever the beer is. | ||
| We are drinking these because I have been sober for too long for unspecified reasons. | ||
| I think you were fucked up yesterday. | ||
| I was not fucked up. | ||
| I was high yesterday. | ||
| I wasn't drunk yesterday. | ||
| Now we get into a discussion of what the definition of sober is. | ||
| Look, I gotta have both. | ||
| Otherwise, one or the other doesn't work as well. | ||
| I'm not judging. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we're going to be going back into the past. | ||
| We're going to begin a new investigation that will be one of many investigations. | ||
| We were talking before the show, and Alex Jones in the present really sucks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's too easy to see through his games, quite frankly. | ||
| We just had the November 4th Communist Uprising. | ||
| How did it go? | ||
| Went well. | ||
| Did they uprise? | ||
| Went well. | ||
| Are we communists now? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| They took most of the eastern seaboard. | ||
| That was a very quiet coup that they just did. | ||
| Softest of coups. | ||
| Man, I didn't even notice. | ||
| It was like a pillow, this coup. | ||
| Smooth. | ||
| We all knew the idea of Alex is creating a possible scenario, and then when it doesn't happen, be like, ah, because we exposed it, it didn't happen. | ||
| These games are just being played over and over again, and then at the same time, there's all the... | ||
| Sincerely nonsensical batshit stuff about helicopters at the Las Vegas shooting and what have you. | ||
| And that's just, I mean, it's not that fun. | ||
| No. | ||
| We're still going to be talking about the present, but I want to take my... | ||
| I miss the 2015 investigation, is what it comes down to. | ||
| That's what you're saying. | ||
| Yeah, and I miss... | ||
| You wish that Alex Jones would travel back in time, maybe have sex with his mom. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| But his old scientist buddy... | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Great guy. | ||
| And get on a train. | ||
| Ooh, that would be fun. | ||
| Because that's back when America was prosperous. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Trains. | ||
| We used coal to power steam trains. | ||
| Atlas did shrug on trains, my friend. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| So I'm going to do... | ||
| We have a couple of time travel episodes that very delightful policy wonks have suggested. | ||
| Thanks, policy wonks. | ||
| That are actually a little bit more difficult than I would like to admit. | ||
| Because they've just given dates. | ||
| You just admitted it, Dan. | ||
| I said I would like to admit. | ||
| It's too late! | ||
| You admitted it! | ||
| I'm showing vulnerability here. | ||
| And that's why I attacked you. | ||
| The issue with... | ||
| Because psychologically we're both great. | ||
| I'm working on these time travel episodes, but these wonks have specified dates, but not years. | ||
| So going through various years of a specific date and trying to figure out, did something happen this year? | ||
| It's a bit of work, but I'm working on them and we'll have something eventually. | ||
| But for now, I'm going to embark on explorations that I want to figure out along the way. | ||
| And today we're going to jump off on the investigation of, we now know why Alex Jones joined Team Trump. | ||
| That's what I've heard. | ||
| But how long did it take him to go from... | ||
| I love Rand Paul, but I like the things that Trump is saying. | ||
| All right, we've got to support Trump. | ||
| To being, I will die for Trump. | ||
| Right. | ||
| How long does that transformation take? | ||
| And I suggest it's not going to take long. | ||
| I think this investigation is going to be... | ||
| It's going to be a very short investigation. | ||
| It might be two episodes. | ||
| Okay, all right, all right. | ||
| I think it happens in January of 2016. | ||
| I think he becomes like a fully dedicated propaganda outlet for Trump real fucking quick. | ||
| But today we're going to be going over January 6th and 7th. | ||
| Because in the new year he has David Knight host a bit to nurse that hangover. | ||
| Boo. | ||
| That New Year's hangover. | ||
| And so we jump in on January 6th. | ||
| New Year's is his favorite holiday because he gets to dress like a Nazi. | ||
| Isn't that? | ||
| No, that's Halloween. | ||
| Oh shit. | ||
| I just assume he dresses like a Nazi for every holiday. | ||
| To be fair, you could dress like a Nazi anytime you want. | ||
| Like Sandra Bullock. | ||
| Alex Jones does spiritual. | ||
| Come on now. | ||
| So, we're going to get into this January 6th episode. | ||
| You know, sometimes I'm grateful we don't have a lot of new listeners because that would sound very weird if you hadn't had a year's worth of this podcast to go back through. | ||
| Of the back and forth of Sandra Bullock's complicity with her ex-husband's activities. | ||
| So here, I'm going to play a clip of Barack Obama speaking. | ||
| Oh my god, I can't wait to hear him speaking. | ||
| This is a clip speaking about a recent shooting in January of 2016. | ||
| Less excited to hear about him speaking. | ||
| Well, it's still a pretty succinct clip. | ||
| And I'm playing this clip that they play on Infowars, so that's why there's some spooky music behind it. | ||
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Of course. | |
| Oh my god, they're children. | ||
| But it's important to hear the phrasing and the words that Obama uses because Alex complains about this clip for almost the entire January 6th episode. | ||
| So here is former President Barack Obama. | ||
| Until we have a Congress that's in line with the majority of Americans, there are actions within my legal authority that we can take to help reduce gun violence and save more lives. | ||
| So that is the clip. | ||
| That's the scariest thing I have ever heard. | ||
| It's a good thing that they put that music behind there so I know to be afraid of it. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And the important thing to remember, and I'm playing this up front because it's going to come up pretty intermittently. | ||
| The important thing to pull out of the phrasing that he uses is until there's a Congress that's in line with the majority of Americans. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now keep that in mind and we will get back to it. | ||
| On this episode, He gets into the globalists a bit. | ||
| Good! | ||
| I haven't heard too much about the globalists that doesn't involve Trump recently, so I'm excited. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Here's a little tidbit about the globalists and their plans vis-a-vis if they're being successful or on their own timetable. | ||
| Is the tide turning? | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| It's always turning. | ||
| All you collaborators, all you that went along with this, you're destroying your own future. | ||
| You're bringing the United States of America into bondage and yourself into bondage. | ||
| Bondage is fun as long as it's practiced safely. | ||
| Because you were such lazy cowards. | ||
| So I hope you enjoy yourselves. | ||
| I hope you're proud of yourselves. | ||
| Now, because patriots for the last 50 years exposed this agenda and held it back and slowed it down and the globalists admit they're 15 years behind, When did they admit that? | ||
| All over the world. | ||
| Oh, well, that makes sense. | ||
| And because the military actually sees how really evil it is behind the scenes, and even some people in federal agencies, I would have never thought this 20 years ago. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| They're some of the most awake people, and one of the wild cards. | ||
| I don't want to say ace in the hole. | ||
| You would all be aces in the hole if you decided to do the right thing. | ||
| So this was... | ||
| Is the least logical or intelligent sentence I've ever heard in my entire life. | ||
| But you know at the end there, when he says do the right thing, he means spread our articles and buy my shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's kind of the subtext of it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But at the same time, he's fulfilling a couple of his narratives. | ||
| One, the military is the most awake. | ||
| They know everything. | ||
| They're real good. | ||
| That's largely because he gets a lot of calls from military people. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And then beyond that, the globalists are 15 years behind plan. | ||
| They have admitted it. | ||
| This is nonsense. | ||
| When did they admit that? | ||
| Why would they admit that? | ||
| Who would admit it? | ||
| Who is the mouthpiece for the globalists admitting it? | ||
| Now let me admit something. | ||
| I'm 15 years behind on my life plan. | ||
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Hey, dude. | |
| Certainly. | ||
| I'm 15 years behind on just general maturity. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| But the globalists... | ||
| I played video games for 12 hours yesterday. | ||
| I am exactly 15 years old. | ||
| Yeah, I know, right? | ||
| I just got a switch. | ||
| Seems like 12 hours is a soft day. | ||
| Yeah, adults. | ||
| But yeah, the very idea that they... | ||
| Even in their white papers or their... | ||
| They're like, oh shit, we're 15 years... | ||
| Where would you even publish it? | ||
| Seems cockamamie. | ||
| Seems like complete nonsense. | ||
| Do they have conferences? | ||
| Do they go to the Hilton, they get a conference room? | ||
| No, they're at Bilderberg. | ||
| They're at Bilderberg, okay. | ||
| This just satisfies the other piece of his narrative that is like, the reason that we're not in FEMA camps right now is because of me. | ||
| I am stopping the globalists because of me and people like me, let's say Joseph McCarthy back in the day. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| You know, these are the people who slowed down the globalists' plan. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You're welcome. | ||
| Like J. Edgar Hoover. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You're welcome. | ||
| Great people. | ||
| You're welcome. | ||
| Huge fan of Woodrow Wilson. | ||
| He really took down the globalists. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| He was all white supremacy all the time, baby. | ||
| It seems like those things run a concurrent path, but it's probably a coincidence. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| I was watching the... | ||
| Yes! | ||
| How did it go? | ||
| Rob do hosted the first like two hours of it. | ||
| And that's when I turned it off. | ||
| I was like, I'll watch an hour and a half of do. | ||
| And then fuck it. | ||
| And he needs to trim up his beard. | ||
| And that's me talking. | ||
| He needs a haircut and a beard trim. | ||
| And that's me saying that. | ||
| He looks like shit. | ||
| Suck it, Rob, dude! | ||
| You got taken down by Kathy Griffin and Dan Friesen. | ||
| Also, he's not good at his job. | ||
| It was so boring. | ||
| It was terrible. | ||
| They had Owen Schroyer on the street. | ||
| It was just a mess. | ||
| Why do they do man on the street interviews? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| They have to know how bad they are at it, right? | ||
| Well, it wasn't like he got owned by any kids this time. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| At the same time, it was just... | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| It was background noise. | ||
| Yeah, no one wants to talk to you. | ||
| Basically, no one did. | ||
| And once he started talking to people like, hey, do you like Trump? | ||
| And they'd be like, I don't want to talk to you. | ||
| And he'd be like, all right, and then just walked away. | ||
| Which, I mean, I guess is the right thing to do. | ||
| Don't harass people. | ||
| Yeah, that's very reasonable. | ||
| It's bad television. | ||
| But the thing I wanted to mention was I got to watch the live chat a little bit. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| A lot of N-words flying. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| A lot of blame the Jews. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And a whole lot of people posting 1488, which I don't know if you know about. | ||
| Is that Nazis? | ||
| I feel like that's Nazis. | ||
| It's Nazis. | ||
| It's Nazis. | ||
| Because the 88 is the SS, right? | ||
| No, HH. | ||
| Heil Hitler. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And then the 14 is the 14 words. | ||
| We will protect and preserve the poem. | ||
| We will eradicate everybody who isn't white. | ||
| It's not eradicate. | ||
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Eh. | |
| I mean, that's the subtext. | ||
| But what it is is about preserving the future of our children. | ||
| Yeah, by eradicating everybody else. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Or at least isolating it and making sure nobody in different races fuck each other. | ||
| That's the soft neo-Nazi. | ||
| That is a very interesting plan. | ||
| And let me give you reasons why. | ||
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Oh, boy. | |
| But that's the thing. | ||
| I like that plan because that's like, oh, no, no, no. | ||
| We're Nazis, but we're humane Nazis. | ||
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Right. | |
| How could you? | ||
| Well, I mean, Richard Spencer even talks about that, like non-violent ethnic cleansing and stuff like that. | ||
| Yeah, man, I want him to be violently ethnic cleansed, though. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Your soft yes position has gone out the window. | ||
| When it comes to Richard Spencer, I don't think there's any soft yes. | ||
| Well, but look, I don't care. | ||
| Let's not break that down too far, lest you advocate for someone's murder. | ||
| I don't advocate anybody's murder. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| I agree. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Under the laws of parody, I'm sure this is at least somewhat legal. | ||
| Spell parody. | ||
| P-A-R-I-T-Y. | ||
| Just like the NFL. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| It's all about fairness. | ||
| So the thing I want to talk about, though, is whether or not Alex Jones is okay with it or cool with it, Nazis flock to him. | ||
| And he should know that there's a reason. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, it's not really an accident. | ||
| Like, you know how Morrissey has a large Hispanic fan base? | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| And people don't really know why? | ||
| Like, everyone's confused, like, not sure why this is the case. | ||
| I think it's very obvious. | ||
| Why is that? | ||
| Because he speaks a lot about emotional issues that are shared by first or second generation immigrants in L.A. Okay. | ||
| Alright, fine. | ||
| Like, those are the same feelings. | ||
| Like, I totally get it. | ||
| That's a reasonable enough... | ||
| I don't think that explains everything. | ||
| I think it does. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| That's a reasonable enough... | ||
| And that's why we need to build a wall around Morrissey. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| To hold in his tears. | ||
| That's a reasonable enough explanation for a sort of bizarre, counterintuitive fanbase. | ||
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Right. | |
| There is no explanation needed for why... | ||
| Like, if you have a Nazi fanbase... | ||
| It's you. | ||
| You might be playing the Nazis. | ||
| You are doing something in order to get that fan base. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And Alex should be aware of that. | ||
| Which is interesting that Jeff Foxworthy made a career of kind of making fun of Nazis. | ||
| Is that true? | ||
| Now that we know what redneck really means. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| Communist neck? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| He was out there with Antifa. | ||
| Trying to bring back the Bolsheviks. | ||
| Yeah, in his next clip. | ||
| If you! | ||
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You just might be a czar. | |
| In this next clip, Alex, we can see... | ||
| If your advisor tried to murder you six times, you just might be a czar. | ||
| If your advisor is spooky and has a giant penis. | ||
| So, in this next clip, we find that Alex, at the beginning of 2016, has not lost his hard-on for Russia. | ||
| Over the new year, he got drunk and he came out of that hangover. | ||
| Still loves Russia. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| There's nowhere to run. | ||
| Pretty much the whole planet's under the control of the private central banks that, in the last hundred years or so, took over the planet via fraudulent digital professional reserve money they came up with. | ||
| So now, he doesn't do a terrible job of diagnosing a problem. | ||
| Yeah, no, I think he's right. | ||
| He's not right. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Stop right there. | ||
| He's correct. | ||
| Calm down. | ||
| He's not right. | ||
| But he does have a pretty decent point to make about the idea of, you know, centralized banking having a detrimental effect on especially third world populations. | ||
| Nailed it. | ||
| Disenfranchised countries, things like that. | ||
| You know what's crazy? | ||
| No Jews involved. | ||
| I mean, there are some Jews involved, but not in a very Jew way. | ||
| Why don't you hold off? | ||
| I don't know if I like saying that. | ||
| I don't like you saying it either. | ||
| I didn't like saying that, period. | ||
| Why don't you hold off on... | ||
| It's weird to talk about a blatantly anti-Semitic subject without having some... | ||
| I just don't like it. | ||
| Well, it's tough because we're dealing with someone who has such veiled and powerful, under the surface, anti-Semitism. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so, using parody with him... | ||
| It often can sound and feel very uncomfortable. | ||
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I know. | |
| I don't like it. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| But I want you to hold your tongue about any... | ||
| I know you really want me to hold your tongue. | ||
| Not about that. | ||
| I don't care about that. | ||
| I mean about any, like, he has a point. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because it falls off the rails pretty quick. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And does involve some... | ||
| No! | ||
| Stereotypical Jewish canards. | ||
| And they're militarily backed by the West. | ||
| And if a country doesn't go along with the globalists, they'll go hire communists or other organizations to overthrow the country. | ||
| They'll put them into total slavery for 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70 years, depending on the nation. | ||
| And then after that, the public so broke back and trained, they then collapsed and then Rothschild banks take it over. | ||
| Turned out that basically every oligarch in Russia turned out to be a Rothschild front. | ||
| The Rothschild sued two different newspapers a few years ago. | ||
| Saying it wasn't true, and then it turned out the judge said, I can't believe the Rothschilds came into court and lied to us like this. | ||
| This suit has proven the claims of the newspaper. | ||
| Boris Yeltsin, all those people, totally on the payroll of the Rothschilds. | ||
| That's not in that lawsuit. | ||
| Putin starts arresting all their people. | ||
| And so they start moving NATO in, weapons in, try to overthrow the Russian country. | ||
| So there is that narrative that he's spitting here. | ||
| And it's a little bit problematic because, I mean, it does come from a kernel of truth. | ||
| There were members of the Rothschilds family that sued, I believe it was, the Daily Mail for libel. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Well, that seems reasonable. | ||
| Anybody who's in the Daily Mail probably has standing to sue the Daily Mail, right? | ||
| Yeah, I would say so. | ||
| They're a trash paper. | ||
| But in this case, they did lose the suit. | ||
| One of the reasons is that libel, especially in terms of politicians, is very difficult to prove. | ||
| And what they had posted in the Daily Mail was that... | ||
| This Nathaniel Rothschild, who is described in this independent article here as the scion of the banking dynasty and friend of seemingly everyone in the spheres of finance, business, and politics. | ||
| They had written that he was, quote, the puppet master to the baron of Hartlepool and Foy. | ||
| I'm having a great time so far. | ||
| Hartlepool! | ||
| That guy, the Baron, his name is Mr. Mandelson. | ||
| And so the case, they did lose this libel case. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because it was found that they were... | ||
| Deeply involved with influencing Mr. Mandelson, who was a British politician. | ||
| That's why you shouldn't sue people when they're right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's a bad idea. | ||
| It's one of those intimidation things that can go too far. | ||
| And then you're like, ah, shit. | ||
| Yeah, if we had a functioning justice system, I think Peter Thiel would have gotten his ass handed to him by a gawker. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Unfortunately, we don't. | ||
| So, Nathaniel Rothschild sued over the Daily Mail's account of his and Mr. Mandelson's trip to Russia in January of 2005. | ||
| So, Mr. Mandelson, the Baron of Foy and whatever, I can't remember the other place. | ||
| It's a delight just to hear you say Mr. Mandelson. | ||
| He is a labor politician in Britain, and he has also recently said that he will work every day around the clock to undermine Jeremy Corbyn. | ||
| So we can tell that he's probably more... | ||
| Wait, he's a labor politician? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, okay, so the pro-finance labor people are the pro-corporate Democrats here. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| Like, here's the same thing. | ||
| Neoliberals. | ||
| Corbyn is your Bernie Sanders, except somehow he's kind of still for Brexit, which is very weird. | ||
| It's a very strange thing. | ||
| I understand slightly where that comes from, but I think it's... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't understand the intricacies of British politics as well as I'd like, but I have heard a couple accounts of arguments for Brexit that I'm like, I kind of get it. | ||
| I think it's probably clunky and will be much more negative. | ||
| Just logistically. | ||
| Oh, I don't think it's going to happen. | ||
| I don't think anybody thinks it's going to happen. | ||
| If you thought it was actually going to happen, they would have to start building borders between Northern Ireland and Ireland. | ||
| That would be a terrible blow to Alex's patriot narrative if it doesn't end up happening. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because it's one of the cornerstones. | ||
| No. | ||
| Everybody involved knows that it's a terrible idea. | ||
| The people campaigning for it knew it was a terrible idea. | ||
| They just wanted to get elected. | ||
| It's just like Republicans knew Trump was a bad idea, but they're like, fucking, we already did it, so why not fucking follow through with it? | ||
| I don't know, will of the people or some shit. | ||
| It's amazing to me what they will hide underneath will of the people. | ||
| When they're lying to the people. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Isn't that really fascinating that you can lie so blatantly? | ||
| Like with the Republicans and like huge tax cuts to the corporate rich are going to help you out. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it's like, it's the will of the people. | ||
| We can't go against them. | ||
| And it's like, no, you could just tell them the truth. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| You could just tell them the truth and the people would be like, no, no, we don't will that. | ||
| Well, it's the difference between, like, if you want to take it into a medical perspective, it's the difference between, like, consent and informed consent. | ||
| Like, you need to have, when people are making a medical decision, they have to be aware of the risks associated with it and, like, be offered the literature and stuff like that. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| And then once you have done that, you have informed consent from a patient to make a decision. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There should be some of that for voting. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| The only problem there is anytime anybody tries to restrict voting, we always get into racism. | ||
| It's very unfortunate. | ||
| Yeah, and actually I want to take that back because that even was a tactic of the racist Southern policies. | ||
| Anytime you try and restrict voting, it's like... | ||
| Education restrictions and shit like that. | ||
| So I want to go back to this thing about the Rothschilds. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Because they are the standard boogeymen of... | ||
| Alex Jones and his ilk as the terrible, big, up above the politicians pulling the strings. | ||
| Because the Rockefellers aren't really around anymore. | ||
| Well, David just died. | ||
| A couple years back, maybe a year or so ago? | ||
| Well, they just don't have the wealth and influence that they used to. | ||
| Well, but neither do the Rothschilds, because it's been so many years, and generationally, the wealth has been split up among a bunch of people, and none of them wield the same power that the Baron of Rothschild did a hundred years ago. | ||
| None of the children of Henry Ford are ever going to come anywhere near the power that he wielded. | ||
| And the same thing is true of even the Waltons, or the Walmart heirs, the Cronkies, and stuff like that. | ||
| They have... | ||
| Regionally or in small conclaves, big influence. | ||
| But in terms of what they could have had during these... | ||
| Like, back in the days of Henry Ford. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's not even close to that. | ||
| Like, the Cronkies live in Columbia, Missouri. | ||
| They're one of the branches of the Walmart fortune. | ||
| And they create a whole bunch of trouble in terms of paying athletes and stuff like that illegally. | ||
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Of course. | |
| And, like, weird under-the-table recruitment stuff that everybody's aware of. | ||
| And everybody should be... | ||
| Like, that whole argument is for another time, but... | ||
| It should be legal. | ||
| Athlete should be paid. | ||
| Go fuck yourself. | ||
| I agree, but not that way. | ||
| Yeah, no, no, no, of course. | ||
| But be that as it may, they can do that shit. | ||
| What they could do is lobby the NCAA to make it legal. | ||
| But no. | ||
| No. | ||
| That they can affect, like, Columbia local politics and stuff like that to a certain extent, but they can't change, like, they can't send us to war. | ||
| Like, you could have a hundred years ago. | ||
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Right, right, right, right. | |
| So, I'm gonna read this next paragraph, and at the end of it, it gets dicey. | ||
| For the present. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| Mr. Rothschild claims he was subjected to sustained and unjustified attacks in the May 2010 article, which portrayed him as a puppet master, dangling his friend Lord Mandelson in front of the Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska to ease the passage of colossal business deals. | ||
| Do you recognize that name? | ||
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Um... | |
| Oleg Deripaska? | ||
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Boy, it sounds Swedish. | |
| So I'm going to assume he's Swedish. | ||
| No, it's not Swedish. | ||
| Oh, are you sure? | ||
| Positive. | ||
| It could have been Middle Eastern. | ||
| He's Russian. | ||
| He's Russian. | ||
| From Russia? | ||
| I can't think of anything that Russia has done recently. | ||
| Do you know what recently indicted gentleman was very involved with Oleg Deripaska? | ||
| I'm still going back to Sweden. | ||
| Is it a Swedish politician? | ||
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No. | |
| Because you got Mandelson in my brain. | ||
| No, he's British. | ||
| There are no Swedes in this story. | ||
| Oleg Deripaska is the Russian oligarch that Paul Manafort offered to give briefings to. | ||
| And there are indications that there is a lot of financial debt. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| So Alex bringing up this libel case about the Rothschilds is a very interesting window because the only Russian oligarch involved is a person who's involved with Trump's campaign manager. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| And the situation with the Rothschilds is that the Rothschild, Nathaniel Rothschild, brought Lord Mandelson along to Russia to try and pretend that if we can get some business deals going, Mandelson will be on your side in British politics. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which is... | ||
| It is a good thing, Alex. | ||
| Alex is accidentally making a pattern. | ||
| I know. | ||
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He's accidentally... | |
| I know. | ||
| It's a good thing for him he doesn't read anything because he would discover that the complicated systems he's talking about always wind up pointing back to him being wrong. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| I mean, if you just replace Mandelson with Manafort, you have almost a parallel. | ||
| Exact same situation. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's almost like there's a playbook. | ||
| Kind of. | ||
| For these, like, Russian oligarchs and crazy super billionaires. | ||
| It's almost like somebody wrote a playbook. | ||
| It's almost like somebody who's been on Alex's fucking show! | ||
| Wrote the playbook! | ||
| That is taught in military academies. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| Yeah, it's weird. | ||
| I don't think... | ||
| I don't think he's... | ||
| I don't think he wrote the oligarch playbook. | ||
| We're over... | ||
| I think that was written back in 1910 with the Pez dispensing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you were to try and make that kind of a claim about Alexander Dugan, I would have to stop you. | ||
| I would get sued for libel. | ||
| No, because... | ||
| By the Daily Mail, of course. | ||
| It's overestimated. | ||
| Just because he is, like, super involved in a lot of fucked up stuff. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And deeply involved in the stuff that we're talking about. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| It makes him sound like he's a big bad. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
|
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No, no, no. | |
| That's not the case. | ||
| No, of course. | ||
| If he's going on Alex Jones' show, he's not the final boss. | ||
| No, but he is a cancerous influence and couched in intellectualism and what have you to an extent that he is worth talking about, but to pretend like... | ||
| It all goes back to Dugan. | ||
| Because I've seen some people on Twitter sort of making those sorts of arguments. | ||
| It's just because he has such a strong, long-standing history of anti-liberalism. | ||
| Anti-Americanism. | ||
| Like, no, anti-Americanism. | ||
| American. | ||
| Like, all that stuff. | ||
| It makes him very easy to focus on. | ||
| And, I don't know. | ||
| Anyway, Alex, bringing up the Rothschild stuff there does not work in your favor. | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| It's so interesting. | ||
| He just doesn't understand. | ||
| It's fascinating to see him Talk about a global organization as being something that he hates so desperately and yet have no idea how a global organization would be such a complicated system wherein even the bad guys are good sometimes and the good guys are bad sometimes because it's so many different interlocking parts where everybody's trying to play this longer game and you do this whole thing. | ||
| And so he has no concept of complicated systems. | ||
| He only understands bad. | ||
| Good! | ||
| Like, he doesn't get it. | ||
| He's just incapable. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it is a failing in terms of him being able to be a newsman. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| Oh, that's the other thing I wanted to talk about, about the Antifa riots that I was watching. | ||
| The quote-unquote coverage of the fake Antifa riots. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, Owen Schroer was out on the street at the Austin gathering of the resist fascism or whatever. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And most of it was covering How there were more Trump fans there than the actual protesters. | ||
| And I don't know. | ||
| Because the protesters really kind of didn't know it was going to happen. | ||
| And the Trump people were like, we've been listening to InfoWars! | ||
| It's going to be an uprising! | ||
| We better get there! | ||
| And we've got to be armed. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| But the other thing is, a lot of it was Joe Biggs dancing around with pre-made signs and what have you. | ||
| Like, they're covering an InfoWars reporter fucking with, quote-unquote, Antifa protesters. | ||
| Optics are the story, Dan. | ||
| Right, but it's so silly. | ||
| It's like, you can't... | ||
| If you want to be a journalist, if you want to be doing journalism... | ||
| Then don't go work for InfoWars. | ||
| Well, there's that. | ||
| But also, if you are InfoWars and you want to do that, don't become the story. | ||
| You're sending in, at Rambo Biggs on Twitter, into the fray with pre-made signs and shit to report on him resisting the Antifa. | ||
| It's so stupid. | ||
| I disagree. | ||
| No, I know your point, and I agree with that. | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| No, no, I agree. | ||
| But in the real world... | ||
| Right. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| I understand. | ||
| It's smart from their standpoint. | ||
| But if everyone understood how journalism should work, unbiased, external, that sort of thing, then it would be like, this is embarrassing. | ||
| You know he still kind of works for you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, but the situation there... | ||
| You pretended to fire him about Pizzagate, but we don't really know what the deal is there. | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Because you're pretending that didn't happen. | ||
| Why would it have happened? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, he didn't do anything wrong. | ||
| No, because nothing happened. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I wish some jobs would give me that kind of leeway. | ||
| Oh, it's a good thing nobody got shot. | ||
| Anyways, you're going to take a day off. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We're going to give you one day, almost killed somebody leave, and then you're back to work. | ||
| We all are in denial, so you still have a job. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| No, I mean, of course they don't want to do real journalism, because that would be silly. | ||
| And hard. | ||
| It's so hard to do. | ||
| You have to call. | ||
| You have to check sources. | ||
| You have to cultivate sources so they give you information down the road. | ||
| You can't have a 26, 27-year-old dude with probably a sports fitness degree. | ||
| Helming the whole thing? | ||
| That's exactly what degree he has! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or hotel and restaurant management or something like that. | ||
| It'd be weird if... | ||
| He does not have a journalism degree, I'll tell you that right now. | ||
| It'd be really weird if Mike Cernovich had a black history degree. | ||
| That would be very strange. | ||
| African-American studies? | ||
| I could see him having a media studies or something like that degree. | ||
| He's much better than Alex in terms of manipulating. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or at least sort of... | ||
| You could see it in the way he's pivoted. | ||
| He did that, I'm pivoting away from Trump thing. | ||
| And then went on InfoWars the next day! | ||
| And now when he's on InfoWars, he sells it as, that's pushing back against Trump. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Like, that, I don't believe him. | ||
| But that's still a much more cogent argument for your behavior than anything Alex has. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so I think that he's a little more savvy and probably will last longer. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| I mean, almost nobody brings up that he was involved in Gamergate stuff, and almost nobody brings up all the fucked up stuff he... | ||
| Eh, who cares? | ||
| We don't have an attention span. | ||
| We don't have time. | ||
| But the reason that it is a good idea for your dumbasses like Joe Biggs to go be and insert themselves into the story is because if you're Alex Jones, your entire... | ||
| Fucking business is built on a personality inserting himself into the story. | ||
| More or less, yeah. | ||
| Into everything. | ||
| So if you want that to continue... | ||
| That's why the Trump presidency works for him. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's a character inserting himself into the story. | ||
| He's already into the craziest story he can get to. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Yeah, so they have to cultivate the same kind of personality. | ||
| It's not about the work. | ||
| It's about the guy being entertaining. | ||
| You're on to something there. | ||
| Possible. | ||
| So, I apologize that it's been almost half an hour since I played that clip of Obama. | ||
| Has it? | ||
| It has. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| And I have not gotten to him bringing this up. | ||
| And here is Alex bringing up this clip. | ||
| And like I said... | ||
| I wanted to make a point of pointing out that what Obama actually said was we can't wait for Congress to get in line with the majority of Americans. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because Congress is shit. | ||
| There are things that I can do within my legal authority to try and put against the tide of gun deaths and unnecessary death. | ||
| So here is Alex Jones covering that largely innocuous clip. | ||
| Rand Paul came out and slammed the White House. | ||
| For saying that the president says Donald Trump's disqualified. | ||
| Oh, you're disqualified! | ||
| Even... | ||
| This was also in the context of comments being disqualifying and that sort of thing. | ||
| It wasn't like, ha ha, you stepped off base, you're disqualified. | ||
| I thought it had something to do with the New York Marathon. | ||
| He wasn't allowed to run it. | ||
| I know Trump is a huge marathoner, right? | ||
| I don't think he could pass the physical. | ||
| Is there a physical? | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Trump's rival, Rand Paul, came out and said, that's very dangerous. | ||
| Oh, of course it is. | ||
| Quote, we can't wait for Congress to get in line with me. | ||
| What's it called? | ||
| Getting in line for a leader. | ||
| When you quote. | ||
| He literally said quote. | ||
| Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, V.I. Lenin, Julius Caesar, Genghis Khan. | ||
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You want me to keep going down the line here? | |
| Dusty Baker. | ||
| Dusty Rhodes. | ||
| They write this stuff for him. | ||
| This is meant to be naked. | ||
| Better get in line with me. | ||
| I'll sign any foreign treaty and keep it secret if I want. | ||
| I'll open the border up if I want. | ||
| I'll take your guns if I want. | ||
| I'll persecute whistleblower media. | ||
| So at this point, he's getting a little bit too much into his Yosemite Sam voice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it does him a disservice here. | ||
| Just listen to this. | ||
| The most liberal members of the media exposing me for torture and war. | ||
| I'll sign the NDAA to arrest you in the middle of the night and put you on a plane to fly you to Romania to torture you to death because I'm black and so it's okay. | ||
| Yikes. | ||
| I like that your face didn't even move. | ||
| Your eyebrows didn't move. | ||
| We're at this point with Alex Jones that's incredibly offensive. | ||
| Well, I was starting to think about my work. | ||
| White guilt. | ||
| And I was like, I do think it's okay if you're black. | ||
| Parody. | ||
| Look, if a white dude did that shit, I'd be all over it. | ||
| But he's black! | ||
| What are you gonna do? | ||
| That is not even close to true. | ||
| But, like, he's in that suffering succotash kind of, like, that mode that it gets too good to him that he just, like, I'm gonna go for it. | ||
| He just goes all the way. | ||
| I'm going off the edge of this thing. | ||
| Like, cause he's black! | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Those are the same people who insisted... | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I didn't vote for Obama because I don't like his economic policies. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's not because he's black. | ||
| No. | ||
| Now he's allowed to do everything he wants because he's black. | ||
| And you guys let him do it because he's black. | ||
| Because you guys are a bunch of cucks. | ||
| But that's not why I didn't vote for him. | ||
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No, no. | |
| I like his... | ||
| He's gonna keep foreign treaties secret, and that's a bad thing. | ||
| But if the military makes a treaty with Syria... | ||
| And Russia. | ||
| And Russia. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| With no one else knowing. | ||
| No, that's great. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| They're patriots. | ||
| They're patriots. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| So this next clip, Alex is doing some pot kettle action, pot calling the kettle black kind of shit. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| This is disgraceful. | ||
| And we've got Obama. | ||
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Hi, Obama. | |
| In what people say is fake crying, certainly looks fake to me, up there mentioning this long list of shootings. | ||
| As if each time it's a drumbeat, and how much more will we put up with? | ||
| One of our graphics guys, Zimmerman, put together a satirical piece that supposedly shows the teleprompter. | ||
| We'll roll that in front of the screen for TV viewers so they can get a full view of it that has a bird's-eye view of the teleprompter telling Obama when to cry at what point. | ||
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So, Alex, you have brass balls. | |
| Grass fucking balls, too. | ||
| Certainly looks like fake... | ||
| I mean, look, if anybody knows what fake crying looks like, it's definitely Alex. | ||
| Right, and I think that that is why he makes claims like that. | ||
| It's like, I fake cry all the time. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Like, deep down, he's like... | ||
| Humans don't have emotions. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Humans don't. | ||
| I know that if you're looking like you feel something, you're faking it. | ||
| Of course. | ||
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Because I do. | |
| What is Obama trying to sell? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Does he have a mineral line? | ||
| What is going on? | ||
| Does Obama have a mineral line? | ||
| He's the president, but is he trying to get on the B12 market? | ||
| Dude, if Obama sold Brain Force, I'd be far more likely to give it a shot. | ||
| I would still not be interested. | ||
| But that to me is amazing. | ||
| And it's also the first of two comedy pieces on this episode that we're not going to listen to. | ||
| No. | ||
| No comedy pieces. | ||
| All it is is they play Obama's press conference where he's very heartily speaking about these shootings and how we need to do a better job in our country. | ||
| And as we're recording this on Sunday, there was just another one. | ||
| And it just reinforces that... | ||
| I like how he even said it. | ||
| He said it like... | ||
| He's saying this like it's a drumbeat, saying how much are we going to put up with? | ||
| And he's like, yeah, no. | ||
| You nailed it. | ||
| That is exactly what he's saying. | ||
| That's exactly what he's doing. | ||
| And that's the question that we are absolutely incapable of asking ourselves. | ||
| I think most of the country who are not beholden to the NRA and what have you, or Alex's dumb shit, that's the question we ask ourselves a lot. | ||
| Like how much? | ||
| And it turns out it's everything. | ||
| You just told me before the show that there was a shooting a couple blocks away from our houses the other day. | ||
| I had no idea. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's how tuned out and sort of like, eh. | ||
| It's not even local big news. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| That's fucked up. | ||
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Nope. | |
| Fucked up. | ||
| Chicago. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And again, we can talk about statistics all day. | ||
| It's like, Chicago has a lower shooting death rate than so many other cities per 100,000. | ||
| But at the same time, we do live in a place where... | ||
| We have the third highest population in the country. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| Anyway, Alex thinks that Obama is faking crying. | ||
| Oh, that sounds right. | ||
| Now let's enjoy this next clip, which is sort of the chaser to that shot. | ||
| During the break, I am in just a state of grief, mourning, but also explosive will to resist and fight and to set my full will. | ||
| If it's the will of Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior against the enemy, God, please make me stronger. | ||
| Please give me the words. | ||
| Please give me the reach to help reach more people and help others also be moved to stand against this evil. | ||
| But those of us that love freedom are like, High-powered, 700-horsepower cars. | ||
| We'll get back to that metaphor. | ||
| What? | ||
| I also noticed that he never says amen. | ||
| He prays a lot on air, but never says amen. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| Is this the thing? | ||
| I mean, you're supposed to say amen, right? | ||
| I mean, that's etiquette. | ||
| Eh, who gives a shit? | ||
| That's when you're... | ||
| What, like God doesn't know when you stop? | ||
| God needs an over and out. | ||
| It's a telegram. | ||
| Lord, please give me the strength to fight. | ||
| Stop. | ||
| Lord, please let me fucking fight for the... | ||
| Jesus Christ, what a stupid fucking religion. | ||
| NASCARs, we can blow an engine, we can throw a rod, we can get angry, we can be mean to our family members, you name it. | ||
| I mean, I have been not really mean, but super aggressive. | ||
| You don't have any kids anymore. | ||
| Super focused the last few days. | ||
| And it's because my instincts are clean, my head's screwed on straight, and man, I love America. | ||
| And I watched that guy up there with his fake tears. | ||
| I've got tears right now. | ||
| I don't want to have tears. | ||
| I was so angry. | ||
| I made myself settle down. | ||
| And I'm angry because I'm so sad. | ||
| Right. | ||
| If you watch the video, it is so fucking fake. | ||
| Wow, is that bad? | ||
| I have tears in my eyes, even though I don't want to have tears in my eyes, is the most revealing sentence. | ||
| Nobody who's ever cried against their will has been like, I'm doing this, even though I don't want to do this. | ||
| I feel this so powerfully. | ||
| I don't even want to do this. | ||
| You know what, too? | ||
| It's just fascinating to me, the idea that he's fake crying, because it is very fake. | ||
| It's bananas. | ||
| In the middle of saying that Obama's tears are fake. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I'm not here to say that Obama really was crying. | ||
| I think from everything I can tell, it seems like he was sincere and genuine. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know the man personally. | ||
| I haven't spent as much time studying him as I have Alex. | ||
| True. | ||
| I'm willing to believe his tears were real. | ||
| I'm not willing to believe Alex's are. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| And based on that dichotomy, the fact that he's like, all right, I'm trying to say the president is fake crying. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I really need to amp this up. | ||
| That's exactly what I was thinking. | ||
| That's exactly what I was thinking. | ||
| He was like, This motherfucking Obama guy is stepping into my game. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| I am going to fake cry motherfucking hard. | ||
| I will show you how it's done. | ||
| You think you're going to fake cry? | ||
| I'm Alex goddamn Emmerich fucking Jones and Sandra Bullock is a Nazi. | ||
| Anyways. | ||
| Hey now. | ||
| It's fascinating to me and it's just like... | ||
| It's so in line with what I've determined in terms of Alex's psychology. | ||
| The fact that he would fake cry while talking about Obama fake crying. | ||
| He has to. | ||
| That's Alex Jones. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That's him to a T. Now, I have made a massive discovery. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| Now, it's a discovery that we kind of already knew. | ||
| That would be a massive discovery. | ||
| Well, it's something that we had the sense of before. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But we didn't have as many concrete examples of it. | ||
| And this is that Alex Jones, the key to Alex Jones is flattery. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You can compromise him and corrupt him through flattery. | ||
| Easily. | ||
| Incredibly easily. | ||
| The same way we suspect that Trump can be compromised. | ||
| Possibly. | ||
| Or through his business deals. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Alex might be more on the up and up in terms of business. | ||
| But if anybody tells him, you're awesome, we love you, he falls in line. | ||
| As we heard, he talked to high-end Russians who told him that Putin loves the show and Putin listens all the time and what have you. | ||
| You can get high-end mail-order brides. | ||
| So I assume... | ||
| No, these are high-end military Russians. | ||
| Did he marry them? | ||
| He talked to fucking Russian intelligence. | ||
| I know, I'm just kidding. | ||
| So what you need to know is, at the beginning of 2016, Alex Jones scored an interview with Louis Farrakhan. | ||
| That is now my favorite thing that you've ever said to me. | ||
| Now, we won't get to the entire interview on this episode. | ||
| It's that good? | ||
| No, because he hasn't aired it yet. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| At the timeline that we're in. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He teases it for a good week and a half. | ||
| You fucking teasing motherfucker! | ||
| You need it for the context of this. | ||
| He has screamed about Louis Farrakhan and hates him and hates the Nation of Islam and thinks that they're a bunch of race baiters. | ||
| Of course, of course. | ||
| And they, uh, all that. | ||
| Yes, naturally. | ||
| But he gets to go talk to Louis Farrakhan. | ||
| Now listen to this clip. | ||
| This show transcends, though, all the lines, all the race garbage, all of it. | ||
| Doesn't sound like it. | ||
| And that's really what's so important about Infowars and the responsibility we have. | ||
| Disagree. | ||
| Because it doesn't matter if you're Vladimir Putin. | ||
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You love him. | |
| It doesn't matter if you're a top general at the Pentagon. | ||
| It doesn't matter if you're Louis Farrakhan. | ||
| They listen to this show every day and every week. | ||
| Farrakhan people, daily listeners, Farrakhan listener every week. | ||
| And you're like, what does it matter if Louis Farrakhan listens to you? | ||
| Louis Farrakhan has changed a lot. | ||
| And he says that in the interview. | ||
| That's what we want to do. | ||
| We want to win, folks. | ||
| We don't want to divide and conquer. | ||
| We want to come together and say no to what's happening. | ||
| Let's go out to break. | ||
| I'm going to come back. | ||
| With Obama just saying, you're going to get in line. | ||
| People say, well, what's he going to do? | ||
| He's got a low approval rating. | ||
| How's he going to do it? | ||
| Above 50%. | ||
| It's the final chapter, folks. | ||
| You know what comes next. | ||
| The dreaded false flag. | ||
| The atrocity. | ||
| And the minute there is a building blown up, mass shooting, whatever, you cannot wait. | ||
| You gotta have cameras ready. | ||
| You gotta have your phone ready. | ||
| You gotta go and videotape everything and upload it. | ||
| And then we'll go over it all forensically. | ||
| But we've got, when they run this false flag, to stop it, to expose it immediately. | ||
| Stay with us. | ||
| That clip went on longer than I intended it to. | ||
| Stay with us. | ||
| So the narrative there is soft, for sure. | ||
| The idea of the false flag stuff. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| And like you pointed out, Obama's approval rating was over 50%. | ||
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| Right now, Trump is sitting right around mid-30s. | ||
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36? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| 36, 37. Which is still bananas. | ||
| No one on the left is asserting that this church shooting in Texas was a false flag that Trump had organized or anything like that. | ||
| I know that that's a little bit ugly to even put into words. | ||
| But the reason I want to do that is to mirror what an other version of Alex would be like. | ||
| And trying to look at how ugly, how gross anybody else than Alex doing the things he does are, it's unthinkable. | ||
| It's unthinkable that anybody else would do this. | ||
| But the polar opposite to falsehood isn't a different type of falsehood. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| It's truth. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| We're people who tell, at least as far as we are researched, Reality. | ||
| So we can talk about false flags, like the Lusitania probably was sunk as a false flag. | ||
| Wolf of Tonkin? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| All of these things. | ||
| MKUltra is not a false flag, but it is definitely something that existed in the fucked up CIA. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We can also talk about how people having a lot of guns is a bad idea. | ||
| And it's fine if you have... | ||
| I'm very anti-gun, period. | ||
| But I get it. | ||
| If you hunt, if you have a gun to protect your family, I get it. | ||
| Even for fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm into it. | ||
| My aunt has a gun that she just likes to take out to go to the shooting range and feel like she has a dick for an hour. | ||
| Well, that might be misogynistic of you. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, I think that's why most people have guns, to feel like they have a bigger dick than... | ||
| I mean, I don't know if that's... | ||
| Guns are dicks! | ||
| I don't know if that's necessarily the case. | ||
| Guns are dicks. | ||
| I think that even in recreational purposes, having a gun is totally cool, but at the same time, it is a situation where there should be records. | ||
| I would prefer if nobody had a gun, but that's not going to happen. | ||
| So, at this point, I would prefer if nobody used a gun to murder large groups of people at one point in time. | ||
| How cool would it be if everybody who hunted went back to bow and arrow? | ||
| I mean, it would be much more challenging. | ||
| That would be badass, yeah. | ||
| It would be really, like... | ||
| I mean, if you kill something, like an animal, with a gun, it's not really that impressive. | ||
| Nah. | ||
| You take one out with a bow, that's way more impressive. | ||
| If you take one out with a knife, that's the real shit right there. | ||
| You feel so alive, killing that boar. | ||
| I watched Lost. | ||
| I know what it's all about. | ||
| It always comes back to loss. | ||
| Sawyer didn't feel that great. | ||
| It always comes back to loss with you. | ||
| Sawyer didn't feel that great when he killed that polar bear with a gun. | ||
| No. | ||
| When Locke went out there, fucking took down that pig, it felt great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway, the point is, yes, we can walk a middle ground because the reality of the world is the middle. | ||
| We've already talked on this very episode about the idea that centralized banking interests are detrimental to the world. | ||
| But at the same time, it's not that they're... | ||
| Some sort of globalist cabal that are doing it. | ||
| I mean, they are, but they're not. | ||
| Like, that's the weird thing about central banks, is that they all have certain tacit agreements that they don't necessarily talk about. | ||
| But there is always going to be a, oh, you guys did this? | ||
| Well, fuck yeah, we can do that too. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We're all going to do the same illegal shit. | ||
| Now, saying that, and jumping to Alex's version, It's a big leap. | ||
| It's a big leap. | ||
| So whenever you get into the idea that there are global corporations and there are global banks that are interested in the profit margin, interested in making as much money as they can, we can discuss that in terms of regulation should be there, treaties between countries should be enforced. | ||
| Or countries should no longer exist. | ||
| That's a whole other thing. | ||
| That's a whole other thing? | ||
| That's a longer conversation? | ||
| That one is far more unreasonable than the no guns conversation. | ||
| But just to get back to my point, the distance between that, the recognition that there are these international corporations that are out for the bottom line, and jumping to... | ||
| They are Satanists and they want to steal your kids out of the backyard and they drink blood because there's adrenaline in it. | ||
| It seems a little bit too far. | ||
| It's where you ruin a legitimate conversation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't remember who it was, but one of our listeners, it might have been in the chat room or sent me a message about how... | ||
| Through the oversensationalization and through the fetishization and satanic panic aspects, Alex Jones is doing a disservice to the idea of the reality of crimes against children. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Because you're creating this false reality where people drink blood and there's these giant demonic orgies and what have you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That is not real. | ||
| And when you present it as what you're up against, you're never going to get the truth. | ||
| There are horrible things that are done to children. | ||
| Human trafficking is massive. | ||
| And you're never going to get to the bottom of that. | ||
| You're never going to solve that problem if you focus on this bizarre, over-amplified, eyes wide shut kind of reality. | ||
| And it's what he does with the banking stuff, too. | ||
| It's what he does with all of these problems. | ||
| And you've equated it as an unsolvable problem. | ||
| More or less. | ||
| And that's another big... | ||
| So you have no power. | ||
| Give me money. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Give me money and I'll take care of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're not going to fucking take care of it. | ||
| Although I did read an article, which it's of the best... | ||
| of scientific bullshit articles that you can read. | ||
| You know, the headline is insane and then you read the article and it's like, now scientists have said this probably isn't true. | ||
| Right. | ||
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But we are going to make this huge. | |
| And it was that... | ||
| Young blood transfusions into the elderly is a good idea. | ||
| I've seen some of that. | ||
| And it may help Alzheimer's. | ||
| I've seen some articles about that. | ||
| And it's like, oh, that's going to be so good for Alex to finally get a hold of because it's like, now all old people are drinking young people's blood? | ||
| But that's not a transfusion. | ||
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Liberals! | |
| Liberals! | ||
| It's not a transfusion. | ||
| You can't drink it that way. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Because it doesn't go into your bloodstream, then. | ||
| That's what they want you to think. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The globalists don't put that out in the white papers. | ||
| Look, they told you that their plan was 15 years behind. | ||
| That was a false flag to get old people to drink young people's blood. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This is all true. | ||
| It is interesting, that sort of stuff, in the same way that, like, I don't know, the same way that oxygen bars were cool for a bit in the 90s. | ||
| You know, like, there are these things. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| There are these things that have some sort of scientific intrigue, and certainly at this point I don't think the science is in about putting young blood in you. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| But it is interesting in that sense. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, if Kobe Bryant can go through European blood transfusion treatments where they highly oxygenate his blood, why not? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| I don't really give a shit. | ||
| Let's move on. | ||
| You only like white basketball players. | ||
| No, I love Kobe Bryant. | ||
| Kobe was one of my favorites when I was younger. | ||
| Although I love Rex Chapman. | ||
| Not just as a basketball player, but as a human. | ||
| Get out there and solve that opioid crisis, Rex. | ||
| You're doing the Lord's work. | ||
| Also, fuck you, man. | ||
| When I was young, for no reason, the New York Knicks were my favorite team because I loved Anthony Mason because he'd shave things on the side of his head. | ||
| I thought that was really cool. | ||
| And all the guys would slap his bald-ass head. | ||
| See, I thought your favorite team would have been the Celtics because they were the last team to integrate. | ||
| No. | ||
| Also, Charles Oakley was really cool. | ||
| Because he was that badass enforcer. | ||
| He just beat people up for no reason. | ||
| He was like that Bill Lambeer type. | ||
| Just fuck you. | ||
| Well, I mean, the Nick's original name was the Knickerbockers, and we all know what that meant. | ||
| Wasn't it a theater? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Oh, that's a Nickelodeon. | ||
| No, it didn't have something to do with socks. | ||
| I feel like it was very sock important. | ||
| It might have been. | ||
| Anyway, let's move along. | ||
| On this January 6th episode... | ||
| What Alex Jones does for most of the rest of the show, after this point, there are maybe 15 instances of him saying that Obama said, get in line with me! | ||
| Yeah, instead of get in line with the majority of the public opinion. | ||
| Which, again, if you're going to say, quote, you should quote. | ||
| Right, and he's acting as if Obama said, get in line with me, and then plays the clip, which I think is unwise. | ||
| As a propagandist. | ||
| Not a good idea. | ||
| You should not play the clip. | ||
| Make people search it out, because you know they're not going to. | ||
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Of course. | |
| Just say what you want to say and move along. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he does that like ten times probably in the episode, and I left out the other nine. | ||
| Why would you? | ||
| I could make a supercut of him being like, get in line with me! | ||
| But I don't have time. | ||
| Which is an interesting thing for somebody like him to say, considering... | ||
| He wants everyone to get in line with him? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Look, I could make a supercut. | ||
| But I just gotta switch. | ||
| So, I don't have time. | ||
| So, for the rest of the episode... | ||
| Get in line with Mario! | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| So good. | ||
| So good. | ||
| Mario Odyssey is the best. | ||
| There are also shades of the Odyssey in it. | ||
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| So great. | ||
| Is that why it's called Mario Odyssey? | ||
| I don't think so, because there aren't, like, a bunch of suitors trying to get Peach. | ||
| That would be awesome. | ||
| That would be amazing. | ||
| That would be awesome. | ||
| If you had Boo and Bowser and, like, a piranha plant. | ||
| That's very important in Super Mario RPG. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The Odyssey is? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| How? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| You dick. | ||
| I think you're just making that up. | ||
| Anyway, the rest of this show, Alex Jones is visited. | ||
| By a guy who believes in lizards. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| David Icke. | ||
| Alright, there we go. | ||
| David Icke makes a little comeback. | ||
| And it's a really long interview, and it's not important, but I just have a few clips. | ||
| So here's the first one, where he's giving David Icke a little bit of an introduction, and he gets a little off track. | ||
| We've had David Icke scheduled for months now, and he's a big guest, and I like him. | ||
| He's a big, open, free thinker. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I'm glad he's coming on, but I am going to play this Dictator Clips. | ||
| He's referring just to that same Obama clip. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Dictator Clips. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| He's going to take your guns. | ||
| Coming up. | ||
| Briefly, we need funds. | ||
| Great. | ||
| We're under attack constantly, which I'm not complaining about. | ||
| Complain about it. | ||
| But basically, I'm getting stabbed politically all the time, and blood's pouring out. | ||
| Stabbed politically. | ||
| So, before he gets through this ad, it's a little bit... | ||
| I mean, it's always a long ad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But before David Icke comes in, he has to brag about his own place in the world a little bit. | ||
| Always under attack. | ||
| It furthers this being co-opted through flattery theory that I believe is the key. | ||
| I think that's the entire story of Alex Jones. | ||
| That if 20 years ago, Bill Clinton had courted Alex... | ||
| That our world would be entirely different. | ||
| He would be most liberal. | ||
| He never would have listened to Larry Nichols. | ||
| Although if Bill Clinton had cornered him, he would instead be a triangulous centrist Democrat. | ||
| And we all know how damaging that could be. | ||
| This podcast would still exist. | ||
| But it would be very different. | ||
| You and I would just switch chairs. | ||
| That would really be the entire thing. | ||
| That's a fascinating alternate reality. | ||
| This motherfucking centrist piece of shit. | ||
| And you're like, now hold on. | ||
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I'd be like, I can't believe this guy. | |
| It would be a struggle for about six months, and then we'd both descend into similar insanity. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, you know, it would be fascinating, though, too, like, if they had done that. | ||
| That's the story of our friendship. | ||
| It was a struggle for the first six months, and then we descended into insanity. | ||
| The first six months, we didn't even talk to each other. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| And it was very weird, because the first time we met, we were like, oh, I'm going to talk to you for the next six hours. | ||
| And then we didn't see each other for, like, six months. | ||
| That's low. | ||
| That's low. | ||
| Anyway, one day we'll do a How We Met podcast. | ||
| I don't think that's a good idea. | ||
| We're gonna have to get Larry Nichols on for that one. | ||
| Oh, let's have him on as a guest. | ||
| And just force him to listen to our... | ||
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Now that's the new gameplay. | |
| That's the new... | ||
| Yeah, the next time we call Larry Nichols, we just talk over him. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Not even that. | ||
| We come up with, like, a couple things like that. | ||
| Like, how we met. | ||
| Like, these things that are of no interest to anyone. | ||
| And we have Larry Nichols on the phone for them. | ||
| That would be so amazing! | ||
| Larry Nichols. | ||
| Now, I know you were in Nicaragua. | ||
| How do you think Dan and I's friendship started? | ||
| So we were doing some comedy. | ||
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Now, I think it's the way that most friendships start. | |
| Now, the Sinclair brothers had us doing some comedy. | ||
| I can't remember their names. | ||
| Who gives a shit? | ||
| So, here, Alex is bragging, and it is, again, indicative that if you just flatter him, that's all you need to do. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, you know, we've got Matt Drudge listening pretty much every day. | ||
| I mean, he told me he listens every day. | ||
| I'm flattered. | ||
| We've got, I know for a fact, a lot of the Russian high command government people, Vladimir Putin, reportedly listens and likes the show. | ||
| I was told this years ago. | ||
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Lies. | |
| You shouldn't be so critical of Putin about, you know, this and that. | ||
| You know, he likes your show. | ||
| Then I was like, yeah, yeah, right, until I heard it from a bunch of high-level Russians. | ||
| And now you see the top of the media they have in Russia talking about vaccines will kill you, you know, cancer's way up because of glyphosate, we're banning GMO, global warming's a global government carbon tax to destroy nation-states and kill billions. | ||
| I mean, it's not just that, you know, they're Alex Jones listeners. | ||
| They are tuning into the reality. | ||
| It makes sense to them, and then they learn more. | ||
| And then they basically get outside the box. | ||
| It's very exciting. | ||
| So, that's damning in many ways. | ||
| Don't be critical of Putin. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then I was like, I'm going to keep being critical of Putin until I found out Putin likes me. | ||
| So I was like, well, clearly Putin's right. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Wow. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's dumb on... | ||
| Does he realize how dumb he is? | ||
| I don't think he knows what he's saying a lot of the time. | ||
| Yeah, that's probably true. | ||
| Like, because that clip indicates that he's aware of the trajectory. | ||
| Like, he's aware of the fact that, like, I was critical of Putin. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then high-end Russians told me not to. | ||
| Because he loves you. | ||
| Because he loves the show! | ||
| And then now, all I do is talk about how the globalists want to take out Putin. | ||
| I mean, if you really look at the reality of it, especially as it relates to the oligarch situation. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Alex's narrative is completely off in terms of that. | ||
| He didn't kick out oligarchs. | ||
| He co-opted them. | ||
| He installed better ones for him. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or the ones who were already there, just he took some of their money. | ||
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Right. | |
| Let them maintain. | ||
| It's a mafia thing. | ||
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Right. | |
| That's like if you argue. | ||
| So did you see the news about the Saudi prince? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Fucked up. | |
| Right. | ||
| Now, if you want to pull. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Explain a little bit for the listeners. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Because that's so vague. | ||
| That is a very vague thing. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| So, one of the Saudi princes just had a huge shit ton of oligarchs arrested. | ||
| And another prince, at least. | ||
| And another prince, his uncle. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Arrested for corruption charges. | ||
| And a bit of what appears to be a coup. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So, if you're going to say... | ||
| That's like saying Putin got rid of the oligarchs. | ||
| Like, no. | ||
| He got rid of some oligarchs, and he is keeping the ones that he likes. | ||
| In the same way that this Saudi prince... | ||
| Is getting rid of the oligarchs who he doesn't like, and he's just going to install different ones. | ||
| Putin bombed a bunch of apartment buildings in 1999, seized power, kicked out oligarchs that wouldn't play ball, played ball with the rest of them, but did a massive crackdown on the media, and then started killing all of his detractors. | ||
| Not all of them, but a bunch of them. | ||
| A lot of them. | ||
| So, like, that track record is there, and Alex can pretend that, oh, look... | ||
| You gotta see both sides because he likes me. | ||
| Now let's fucking talk about the other bullshit. | ||
| Who has time to listen to him every day? | ||
| I know! | ||
| I do a podcast about him every day and I don't listen to him every day. | ||
| Like, does Putin have three fucking hours to listen to this bullshit every day? | ||
| Of course nobody listens to it. | ||
| Drudge doesn't listen to this every day. | ||
| At best, at best, Putin has a guy he's hired to listen to Alex Jones every day. | ||
| Maybe only in case, like, he says something where we gotta take him out. | ||
| Yeah, exactly! | ||
| Or, like, just... | ||
| Gotta get a jelly polonium dart to shoot at him or whatever. | ||
| Just monitor him to make sure he doesn't go too far, and then if he does, I'll... | ||
| And then it'll be fine again. | ||
| He's not listening. | ||
| He's monitoring. | ||
| Possibly. | ||
| At best. | ||
| Farmed out. | ||
| Farmed out monitoring. | ||
| So this whole idea that people keep telling him, we listen every day, we love you, all this stuff, it's so influential to him. | ||
| He's just... | ||
| He's drinking the Kool-Aid. | ||
| Remind me, what hours does he run his show? | ||
| In Russia? | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| That's a good point, isn't it? | ||
| Seems pretty simple math to do. | ||
| You know what I would also say is I don't think the internet is as free in Russia as it is here. | ||
| Very much not so. | ||
| I'm not sure that they would have access to his show. | ||
| It's only slightly less free than the internet in China. | ||
| Yeah, and I don't think InfoWars airs terrestrially on radio in China. | ||
| Oh, you don't think so? | ||
| Either of them, no. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think the guy who runs his Chicago station definitely has... | ||
| Matt Dubier? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Matt Dubier definitely has a few Russian stations. | ||
| I told you this yesterday, but true comedy in the November 4th Antifa coverage. | ||
| Matt Dubier! | ||
| The guy who owns a radio station in the Chicago suburbs that airs Alex Jones, and Alex in the past has had him on the show, and says like, you know, you're airing it in the third biggest city in America. | ||
| The signal doesn't reach Chicago. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's just in the suburbs, and whatever. | ||
| So he came on the November 4th broadcast with Rob Dew, and it turns out that his signal was down the morning of November 4th, and he wasn't on air. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Rob Dew was like, this is probably sabotage, because they know that you air InfoWars stuff. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| They were probably trying to take it down. | ||
| No other explanation. | ||
| Matt Dubia was like, there was a big storm last night. | ||
| There was a bunch of other stuff that could... | ||
| It could be some sort of a coincidence. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| There's other stations. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| And Rob Dew was like, probably sabotage. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was watching it like, guys. | ||
| Pre-show. | ||
| Pre-show. | ||
| An interview. | ||
| Get it together. | ||
| Every late-night show has a pre-show interview. | ||
| Those aren't improvised conversations, guys. | ||
| Alex Jones, he has a boner for not having a teleprompter and all that. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| You want things to be natural and germane, and we do the same thing. | ||
| But at the same time, if you're going to have a guy calling in, you're going to build a false narrative off. | ||
| Right. | ||
| In the break. | ||
| Talk to him and be like, play along. | ||
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Or, yeah, I mean, he's a radio station owner. | |
| You and I can go off teleprompter because we have years of comedy improv experience behind us. | ||
| I don't have that much improv. | ||
| Not improv, but like comedy. | ||
| Just general. | ||
| I freeze up. | ||
| Be a heckler. | ||
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Get it? | |
| Be a heckler. | ||
| Freeze up. | ||
| You freeze in. | ||
| No need for the scene. | ||
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Anyways. | |
| The point being, he's just a guy. | ||
| You know what I liken it to? | ||
| I liken it to whenever you're playing a softball game and there's a hit. | ||
| And as soon as the ball is in the air, someone will yell, plays at second! | ||
| Or something like that. | ||
| So everyone knows, get the ball to second if you catch it. | ||
| Sometimes you forget where the runners are. | ||
| And in the commercial break, Rob Doe just being like, plays it second. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is what we're going to do. | ||
| This is what we're going to suggest. | ||
| Now, you don't have to say you were sabotaged, but we're going to suggest it. | ||
| Also, I get it. | ||
| He runs Infowars on his radio show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He syndicates it or whatever. | ||
| He does not listen to InfoWars, Rob do. | ||
| So he's not going to jump in with your... | ||
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I think he does. | |
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, he seems committed. | ||
| See, now that seems crazy. | ||
| He's hosted the fourth hour a couple times. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| And he still doesn't know how to run with the narrative? | ||
| I feel like you should be able to jump in at that point. | ||
| Those who can do. | ||
| Those who can't teach. | ||
| Or own radio stations. | ||
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| One of the two. | ||
| So anyway, I told you this is an interview with David Icke, and here is an unfortunate clip of David Icke. | ||
| Talking about the globalists and what they're doing, but it actually, in hindsight, really applies to Alex Jones. | ||
| Can I call him Dick Van Eyck from now on? | ||
| If you want to. | ||
| I feel good about that. | ||
| Orwellian global state in which you have 24-7 surveillance and your freedoms are basically zero. | ||
| Now, to bring that in... | ||
| You can't just come out and say, okay, we've had a meeting, this is what we're going to do. | ||
| You have to create in the public mind the reasons why you're doing it. | ||
| And because those reasons are not genuine, you have to make them up. | ||
| In other words, you are bringing in your global fascist system by lying and lying and lying. | ||
| Man, I love that last part. | ||
| I love that you're bringing in a global fascist state by lying and lying and lying. | ||
| If you isolated that clip because he's using the second person and talking to Alex, I 100% agree with it. | ||
| Because that's where we're heading. | ||
| How do these guys... | ||
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He has to believe it. | |
| Don't judge David. | ||
| I'm confused. | ||
| Don't judge David Icke. | ||
| I don't know his name. | ||
| David Icke. | ||
| Do you mean Dick Van Eyck? | ||
| Don't blame Dick Van Eyck. | ||
| What's wrong with Dick Van Eyck? | ||
| Look, I think he's beholden to anti-Semitic ideas, and he certainly believes the protocols of the elders of Zion is real. | ||
| You're not selling me on not blaming him. | ||
| He is a bit of an anti-Semite, but I think he's mentally ill. | ||
| In a way that Alex isn't. | ||
| What are his qualifications again? | ||
| He had a weird experience when he was in Peru, I think, and he was on a mountaintop, and he got frozen in place and had a bunch of things downloaded into him through the... | ||
| I just wanted to remind myself exactly why it is I can't blame him. | ||
| The reason that I say don't blame him as much is because... | ||
| I honestly think, to a certain extent, from the times I've heard him on Infowars, that he's not thrilled to be there. | ||
| Not that he doesn't like Alex or anything like that, but he's just like, I'm on some other shit, and fine, I'll play along. | ||
| There is a global oppressive system and what have you, but it's aliens. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He doesn't want to jump into the Trump or whatever bullshit. | ||
| He wants to be like Raptors. | ||
| It's unclear. | ||
| He's good with it in terms of the Trump stuff as it disrupts the system. | ||
| But he's not in the same vein as Alex. | ||
| Look, I don't think... | ||
| It's the difference between a crazy pundit and a propagandist. | ||
| Alex Jones is a propagandist because he's working towards a specific goal. | ||
| I think David Icke is a crazy pundit because I think he's brain damaged. | ||
| But at the same time, a lot of the stuff he says is really relevant. | ||
| A lot of the stuff that he says makes sense. | ||
| Some of the points behind it in terms of self-empowerment. | ||
| On this episode, he talks a lot about the idea of a shadow self and a real self. | ||
| And there's some, like, just... | ||
| Self-improvement-y ideas that he has. | ||
| They're like, I'm cool with that. | ||
| If you're smart enough to... | ||
| Your argument for not blaming him has something to do with... | ||
| You disentangle the... | ||
| He's just... | ||
| He's trying? | ||
| Is that your argument for why I shouldn't blame him? | ||
| No. | ||
| You disentangle the parts of it that are clear, like, there's brain damage here. | ||
| And some of the ideas are okay and pretty good. | ||
| I believe that a lot of the stuff that he says that's real fucked up and negative, especially the space lizards, the protocols, that sort of stuff, I think a lot of that comes out of brain damage. | ||
| I think it's much more clear when you look at him. | ||
| Most thinking people can look at him and he's like, he believes there are legit shape-shifting space lizards and what have you. | ||
| It's much easier to look at him and be like, I'm gonna fucking either not listen to you or discount those parts of you. | ||
| And he's not working towards a specific goal other than, I guess, self... | ||
| Preservation? | ||
| Self-aggrandizement? | ||
| No, not for himself, but for you. | ||
| He's like a motivational speaker in many ways in terms of self-actualization. | ||
| So you're fine with his nonsense, not fine with his nonsense, but you're fine with him as a human being so long as his nonsense comes from an altruistic place? | ||
| No. | ||
| Is that what you're saying? | ||
| No. | ||
| I mean, he's a con man in a lot of ways through just the need. | ||
| Because you need to have people throw you money and stuff when you're a crazy pundit talking about aliens. | ||
| But at any point in his career, he could have done what Alex has done. | ||
| He could have settled down, done a radio show, and started selling weird supplements. | ||
| And probably made a fucking killing off it. | ||
| Instead, he's written a bunch of books. | ||
| And he's gone out and submitted to public scrutiny in a way that most people would not allow. | ||
| Like, he goes and does lectures and stuff like that where people mock him and attack him and just be like, you're a dumb-dumb. | ||
| So you admire his chutzpah? | ||
| Somewhat. | ||
| It's not even just that. | ||
| It's that... | ||
| Look, I believe that Alex Jones, what motivates him... | ||
| In a large part does come from mental illness. | ||
| And it comes from a place of deprivation as a child, feelings of alienation, that are misplaced, those sorts of things. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And for some reason... | ||
| David Ikes are less offensive to me. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| I did not think we would launch into a, I'm going to defend David Ikes. | ||
| That's always my favorite. | ||
| My favorite conversations are when you wind up defending something where you're like, I... | ||
| Don't know if I want to do this. | ||
| I don't know why I'm doing this. | ||
| Somehow I am doing this. | ||
| No, I do think so. | ||
| I do believe... | ||
| So it's a matter of degree of mental illness, then. | ||
| Is that what you're describing to me? | ||
| Like, he's crazy enough to not be responsible for his actions. | ||
| Well, it's not even crazy enough to not be responsible for the actions. | ||
| What I think is... | ||
| This might be weird, but it's what popped into my head, and I think it might be where I draw the line. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Alex Jones, with a little bit of self-awareness and good decision-making, could go to therapy and work through some of these issues. | ||
| I don't think David Icke could. | ||
| I think he has brain damage. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I think that the brain-damaged part of him is the part that is... | ||
| Blue sky thinking on my part. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, rose-colored glasses. | ||
| I think that the brain damage is the part that believes in the protocols of the Elders of Zion, the part that believes in Jew space lizards and what have you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And what I choose to believe, and again, I might be wrong, is that the other part, the pretty empowering, the pretty self-actualizing motivational speaker part, is the part that could have been there all along. | ||
| But I also don't think that whatever he has going on, Therapy could ever help. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I believe Alex could be helped. | ||
| Maybe not now, but in the past at some point. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I think David, like, probably hit his head. | ||
| All right. | ||
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This is a huge conversation to have. | |
| I guess so. | ||
| You realize how big you just... | ||
| You just opened this up to... | ||
| It turns into... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So now we're getting into... | ||
| I mean, like, the first thing I thought whenever you were talking about brain damage and... | ||
| It's extent to personal responsibility. | ||
| Let's try and keep this conversation within the next 15 minutes. | ||
| I know, I'm going to try, but the first thought I had was fucking Aaron Hernandez and Chris Benoit. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Which is an interesting conversation in as far as how much can you hold these guys responsible for brain damage, which is clearly what was going on. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's clearly brain damage. | ||
| Any NFL player... | ||
| And yet the brain damage did end up murdering people. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| At a certain point, it's really hard to hold any NFL player accountable for their actions simply because clearly your brain is damaged. | ||
| Can I take a step back and sort of refine the argument? | ||
| Please do. | ||
| I think once you're legitimately harming other people, my argument falls apart. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because I don't think that... | ||
| I'm speaking specifically in terms of espousing beliefs. | ||
| Right. | ||
| As opposed to killing your family. | ||
| There's a slight difference there. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| At least in terms of intensity or valence. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But see, then you get into the concept of what ultimately is more damaging. | ||
| Like, what is more damaging? | ||
| Somebody with brain damage like Chris Benoit or somebody with brain damage like Alex Jones, who has influenced so many more people in such a larger negative way. | ||
| You're right, you're right. | ||
| As opposed to a smaller, more focused negative way. | ||
| You know what destroys my argument? | ||
| Because I'm just reflecting a tiny bit. | ||
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Me? | |
| No, and the past of our podcast where we've documented brain damage on Alex's part. | ||
| This whole thing falls apart. | ||
| I get why you're sentimental about it, because that's what I hear. | ||
| It's not sentiment. | ||
| I hear sentiment. | ||
| It's not sentimentality. | ||
| What it is, is I think that David Icke is less noxious. | ||
| I think that there is more that can be gained from him than Alex, for sure. | ||
| Because I think if you listen to his lectures, I have. | ||
| I've listened to a bunch of them, and there's a bunch of nonsense. | ||
| But at the same time, there's a bunch of stuff that's like, well, it's a good thought. | ||
| Well, that's like, I mean, that is also why we have a soft spot for the Pendragon's wife and Carrie Cassidy. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| You know, they're damaging, they're hurtful. | ||
| But goddammit, if they don't believe that they're good people and act like good people for the most part, they just espouse such anti-Semitic ideas. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| Like, I don't understand how to reconcile those two, you know? | ||
| Yeah, I think in the end you're probably right. | ||
| I still want to hold on to, whether it's right or wrong, that David Icke is not nearly as bad as Alex. | ||
| On a purely statistical level, I agree with you. | ||
| But also in terms of like... | ||
| I don't think that David Icke has a goal in mind that's nefarious. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I think Alex does, whether or not he believes it's nefarious or not. | ||
| Like, David Icke just wants you to fucking recognize that everything is bullshit. | ||
| He wants you to, like, wake up. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| The TV is brainwashing you and stuff like that. | ||
| We're having a Kant versus Kierkegaard conversation is what we're having right now. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| More or less. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Which is why it's riveting podcasting. | ||
| Now, let me say this. | ||
| It's appropriate that you and I have embarked on this conversation. | ||
| Goddammit, your transitions are amazing. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| Because in this next clip, Alex Jones is struggling with the fact that he agrees with David Icke on so much stuff. | ||
| Because Alex knows that David Icke talks about space lizards all the time. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| And so this next clip is him just being like, Ah, shit, I agree with David Icke. | ||
| Him getting close to being like, Oh, am I an idiot? | ||
| Listen to this shit. | ||
| I mean, it's like childhood's end. | ||
| I'm not saying it's aliens. | ||
| I mean, you're saying it's interdimensional, whatever. | ||
| Probably, I mean, it's just so obvious. | ||
| It's out to destroy us. | ||
| It's anti-human. | ||
| Archetype, whatever. | ||
| It's evil aliens want to get us. | ||
| I mean, you know, I'm not saying that. | ||
| You're saying that. | ||
| The point is, is that it doesn't matter. | ||
| So, all right. | ||
| So he's just going back and forth, like, I'm not saying, you're saying that. | ||
| Ah, shit. | ||
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Ah, fuck. | |
| Okay. | ||
| I believe it's aliens, but I believe it's human aliens. | ||
| And you're like, what? | ||
| To a less reasonable extent, that is a facsimile of the conversation we just had. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You've got to give it to some sort of weird intuitive ethics conversation of like, okay, so long as we're talking about aliens... | ||
| I can have a reasonable conversation with you. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Because that's what it really is with them. | ||
| As long as we are taking it out of the real world, where I don't have any emotional investment in... | ||
| Or if I don't have a team, you know? | ||
| If your team is pro-human, then you just start talking about reasonable shit. | ||
| As opposed to... | ||
| Which is why science fiction has always had a... | ||
| An easier time of allegory than so many direct ones. | ||
| You know what science fiction is? | ||
| Predictive programming? | ||
| It's the dreams of men. | ||
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Ah! | |
| Will Shakespeare. | ||
| What else would it be? | ||
| So the show goes on. | ||
| He has a long interview with David Icke. | ||
| And to be clear, most of it is not really all that worthwhile. | ||
|
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Garbage. | |
| It's not garbage. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| It is what it is. | ||
| It's David Icke. | ||
| But it's David Icke putting out his positions and trying to relate it to Trump. | ||
| And it's just not that good. | ||
| So we move on now to January 7th. | ||
| The next day. | ||
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Yes. | |
| This is a Thursday. | ||
| And he's moved on from his get in line with me misquoting. | ||
| Quote. | ||
| Get in line with me. | ||
| Not a quote. | ||
| End misquote. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so here is where he goes the next day. | ||
| It's Thursday, 7th day of January, 2016. | ||
| If the Speaker of the House will not move immediately to begin impeachment proceedings against Barack Hussein Obama, then we must move to impeach the Speaker of the House because he's aiding and abetting the enemy of this constitutional republic. | ||
| Huge broadcast lined up for you today. | ||
| This is the zeitgeist of impeachment. | ||
| No, this was still Ryan? | ||
| This is Ryan. | ||
| How long has he been Speaker of the House? | ||
| Just like a year and a half. | ||
| I feel like he should be dead by now. | ||
| Well, here's the thing. | ||
| The only reason I know it's Paul Ryan is because in the narrative that we've been going over with Alex, Boehner was the Speaker, and Alex pretended that all of these Patriot Tea Party types kicked out. | ||
| And we got Ryan, and he knows he's got a play ball. | ||
| He knows where the power is. | ||
| He's like, ah, shit. | ||
| Now he's the same guy. | ||
| Except... | ||
| Dumber somehow. | ||
| Younger and dumber. | ||
| Paul Ryan is somehow dumber than John Boehner. | ||
| Isn't that such a disappointment to all of us? | ||
| Boehner kind of knows where the bread butter is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whereas Alex does not. | ||
| And Boehner doesn't fake cry. | ||
| He's just a wussy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whereas Alex in there, too, the thing I wanted to point out was the impeachment zeitgeist is another one of his attempts to create a catchphrase. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like he's doing now with the get tomorrow's news today. | ||
| Or get next year's news today. | ||
| Well, he does all of it. | ||
| He does various time frames. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But that was another attempt. | ||
| The impeachment zeitgeist. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| No, it's never going to catch on. | ||
| It's going to cover a couple episodes. | ||
| This is another thing I wanted to make a supercut of. | ||
| But I didn't, because it would be too difficult. | ||
| I bought a Switch. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
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I buy it. | |
| I'm going to play you this clip. | ||
| And keep in mind that he says this eight times throughout the show. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| 75 times Obama broke the law during his presidency. | ||
| And I'm going to go over this today, no matter what happens. | ||
| And I was reading the 75 this morning. | ||
| And I have forgotten so many of the blatant, caught, red, stinking-handed crime. | ||
| I mean, it is just over the top. | ||
| From a constitutional scholar, that guy definitely committed all the crimes. | ||
| There's a Kit Daniels article, I believe, about Obama. | ||
| 75 crimes he committed while in office. | ||
| 75 crimes! | ||
| Alex in that clip says, I'm going to get to this no matter what. | ||
| He gets through all 75? | ||
| Do you think he even got to one? | ||
| Um, ooh, I think he says one. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Not even one? | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh, man, he should have gotten to one. | ||
| Anthony Gucci already is supposed to do the fourth hour. | ||
| He calls in six, so Rob Dew does it. | ||
| Alex Jones hands off the baton without ever talking about this article. | ||
| He says over and over again, I'm gonna get to this article. | ||
| He's like, we're gonna get to this. | ||
| No matter what, I'm gonna stay here if I have to the whole time. | ||
| Never gets to even one. | ||
| No. | ||
| Spit. | ||
| And in there, he says, like, I was reading this. | ||
| You didn't fucking read it. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| No. | ||
| You just read the headline. | ||
| I was reading this. | ||
| I didn't even remember how many of these. | ||
| So blatant. | ||
| I didn't even remember them, first of all, because they did not happen. | ||
| Second, I did not read this article. | ||
| And third, I'm Alex Jones. | ||
| Kit Daniels wanted me to pimp this article, so I'm going to mention it a couple times, see if we can get clicks up. | ||
| Does Kit Daniels think he's Martin Luther? | ||
| The 75 crimes? | ||
| 75 theses? | ||
| Did he paint them on the wall or something? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Might as well have. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So I told you at the beginning of this episode that I watched the live stream of the November 4th Antifa protests. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Whenever the communists took over. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| And there was a lot of 1488. | ||
| There was a lot of Nazi messages, a lot of kill the Jews messages in the chat room. | ||
| And some of that you've got to account to trolls, certainly. | ||
| I'm not going to say that every single one of them was sincere, but boy, it was a lot of people. | ||
| It was a lot of people. | ||
| And let's listen to this next clip with that in our mind. | ||
| And man, they are the most evil enemy by... | ||
| The globalists. | ||
| Thousands and thousands of percentage points. | ||
| I mean, Hitler... | ||
| What about him? | ||
| ...was a moral, good person compared to these people. | ||
| And Hitler was super dark, super evil. | ||
| Now, this clip goes on. | ||
| You could have picked so many different comparisons. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Why'd you choose Hitler? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Is it because you kind of like Hitler? | ||
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Well... | |
| Like, every time these guys choose Hitler, it's always to make Hitler look better. | ||
| He also... | ||
| Did you notice that? | ||
| He's also doing... | ||
| Like, I don't want to say this before the clip plays, but I might as well. | ||
| He's doing a little bit of Hitler apology in this clip. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I mean, any time that your rhetoric is like, these people... | ||
| Like, Hitler is great compared to them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's generally softening or... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, the name of the clip I have here is, Alex is soft on Hitler. | ||
| He's a soft no on Hitler. | ||
| But listen to this. | ||
| Listen to this shit. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Also, there's a ton of long pauses, because you can see in his face, like, should I be saying Hitler's okay? | ||
| Well, you know, sometimes, like, I was feeling it during that David Icke conversation. | ||
| It was like, I've launched into something I probably shouldn't have. | ||
| I don't know if I have the skills right now to get through this. | ||
| There's a look on his face of, like, I know the point I'm trying to make, but this is live. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's the journey, not the destination, and I do not know how I'm going to get there. | ||
| I'm wandering, and there's a lot of long pauses along the way. | ||
| Like Odysseus. | ||
| But Hitler loved the UK. | ||
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No. | |
| Loved it. | ||
| Loved a few other Norse countries. | ||
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No. | |
| *laughter* | ||
| He at least liked a group he associated with. | ||
| He had some love twisted for one group. | ||
| He loved his dog but enjoyed torturing people to death. | ||
| He was horrible. | ||
| The globalists hate humanity as a whole. | ||
| They are beyond Hitler. | ||
| Beyond Hitler. | ||
| Way beyond Hitler. | ||
| Hitler, again, picked up eugenics technology out of England and the United States. | ||
| The eugenics system, the eugenics belief system. | ||
| Good point. | ||
| Eugenics social control. | ||
| Excellent. | ||
| Not the pop eugenics, the real eugenics. | ||
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The pop eugenics? | |
| And he went far with it. | ||
| He was told, implement it, we back you, we support you. | ||
| Rockefeller Foundation, Margaret Sanger, Planned Parenthood, all of them. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Hosted Nazi rallies, hosted Ku Klux Klan rallies. | ||
| You can pull up pictures of Margaret Sanger hosting giant Nazi rallies with the German Bund in America. | ||
| We've talked about that. | ||
| They set Hitler up, folks. | ||
| They endorsed him in Time Magazine twice. | ||
| They set Hitler up! | ||
| I mean, that's his narrative. | ||
| Hitler was a false flag! | ||
| Patsy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Well, I mean, we've gone over that, even. | ||
| Like, that's his narrative. | ||
| That's his narrative. | ||
| The then-globalists, maybe the proto-globalists. | ||
| Can't we all just find one thing to agree on? | ||
| Nah. | ||
| And that's that Hitler was bad. | ||
| Apparently not. | ||
| There's nuance. | ||
| Unequivocally. | ||
| Nah, there's nuance. | ||
| Can't we just all, like, from, as a starting point, maybe that's the issue with human beings, is we can't even agree... | ||
| On how bad genocide is. | ||
| Well, that's the issue with his chat room, I'll tell you that, right now, as someone who experienced it. | ||
| But, no, the thing is, what he's talking about is he's conflating all sorts of things, like he does with the Tavistock Institute versus the Tavistock Clinic. | ||
| He gets all these things mixed up. | ||
| But with the Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood stuff, like... | ||
| You can find a picture of her in front of a Klan rally. | ||
| And she went there and she talked and then she was like, No, thank you. | ||
| Goodbye. | ||
| Because her mission was about women's reproductive rights. | ||
| And she's like, There are racist women. | ||
| They still need help. | ||
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They're still women. | |
| Yeah, they still need health care. | ||
| And that is such a fucking crazy misrepresentation of, like you were saying through the clip, Yep. | ||
| There is truth to the idea that Hitler got a lot of ideas from America and the West. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| But then to take it to, ah, this is about Planned Parenthood and Margaret Sanger, that's the disingenuous leap. | ||
| That's the propaganda leap that Alex makes. | ||
| That's what we talked about at the beginning of the episode. | ||
| You went from a conversation that should be had, that should be taught. | ||
| In schools. | ||
| The idea that Hitler didn't act in a vacuum. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He didn't come up with hating the Jews by himself. | ||
| No. | ||
| The ideas existed certainly for thousands of years. | ||
| Yeah, no kidding. | ||
| Because there were many exoduses through countries. | ||
| It was because of the Mennonites, really. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| What about the Canaanites? | ||
| You're trying to share with my people? | ||
| You know my grandpa was a Mennonite preacher. | ||
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Alright. | |
| Did you know that? | ||
| I did know that. | ||
| We've talked about that before. | ||
| Why are you trying to fuck with the Mennonites? | ||
| Because I thought it would be funny. | ||
| Mennonites are good people. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But like, it's this fascinating, weird, it's almost, I was going to try and relate it somehow to the Uncanny Valley, but that's not, it doesn't work. | ||
| But like, there is this area where Alex is like, he knows a good point and then makes it bad. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There is just like the... | ||
| It goes back to stuff that I keep saying that you disagree with and I might disagree with in other contexts, but there is the opportunity I see, and of course it never has happened and never will happen, but there's the constant opportunity to be the hero. | ||
| He could have at any point been like, I see... | ||
| read the articles that he talks about. | ||
| How could he? | ||
| But those sorts of things where he could have been like an actually good voice. | ||
| Right. | ||
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And been like, he could have shaped the skeptic conspiracy community by, I know those are two different communities, but he could have shaped a lot of the perceptions that those people have in a much more healthy, much more reasonable way, as opposed to the race baiting, the bigotry, the anti-liberal bashing that he does now. | |
| Doesn't make as much money and that shit gets you killed. | ||
| I don't think it would have got him killed, but it would not have made him the money. | ||
| I was thinking more specifically of, like, Margaret Sanger went and did. | ||
| Talk to the KKK women. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not, you know, the men weren't on board. | ||
| But it is like, that is an important thing. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| With the conversation that was always had during so many different elections is like, would you have a diplomatic meeting with North Korea? | ||
| With no restrictions or whatever. | ||
| Would you have a diplomatic meeting? | ||
| Or fucking Fred Hampton, a... | ||
| I mean, if you want to talk about Chicago, the patron saint of Chicago should be Fred Hampton. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And his genius was he went and talked to everybody. | ||
| He went and talked to white supremacist groups. | ||
| Fred Hampton, Black Panther leader, went and talked to white supremacist groups. | ||
| And do you know what he talked about? | ||
| He talked about shit the same way that everybody would talk about shit. | ||
| And the point is that he would communicate with them in a way that they could understand. | ||
| They have a parlay. | ||
| That is a really important thing. | ||
| You know, the old adage of, like, we don't make peace with our friends. | ||
| We make peace with our enemies is very true. | ||
| And yet, at the same time, if you wanted to be a dick, you could pull up a picture of Fred Hampton talking to white supremacists and be like, look. | ||
| See? | ||
| This guy's a white supremacist. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Like, there's no win if you do that. | ||
| If people are so obsessed with fighting a war, regardless of who it's against, regardless of how many people die, regardless of the loss on them. | ||
| Regardless of how it's fought. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's going to be something that you use against them. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| Which is why Kissinger should be killed again. | ||
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Oh, boy. | |
| Is he still alive? | ||
| He's alive. | ||
| Ugh, kill him. | ||
| Also, there's an appropriate analog in this time frame of Alex, January 2016, because he went and he talked to Louis Farrakhan. | ||
| Right! | ||
| And the entire time, it's mostly just trying to score points. | ||
| I've listened to most of the interview, so spoiler alert, we will go over it, but most of the stuff that Alex ends up playing is the stuff that is like... | ||
| That makes him look good. | ||
| And Trump. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He uses it as a bolstering Trump thing. | ||
| And so that's not legitimate conversation with the people who disagree with you. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| That's trying to use them as a prop. | ||
| Now, I'm not here to defend Louis Farrakhan either. | ||
| He's no David Icke. | ||
| All right. | ||
| But you know what I'm saying. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| I kind of know what you're saying. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Anyway, let's get on to this. | ||
| I'm a Fanacon. | ||
| I'm a Farrakhan fan. | ||
| He seems like a nice guy. | ||
| In the same way that David Icke has a bunch of good points, Louis Farrakhan does too. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| He espouses a lot of good self-reliance points, a lot of self-empowerment. | ||
| Exactly what I was saying about David Icke. | ||
| White genocide? | ||
| I'm all for it. | ||
| You're soft on that. | ||
| But at the same time, he is a crazy anti-Semitic bigot, which is the same thing as David Icke is. | ||
| I know. | ||
| We're starting to track a theme. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
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Also... | |
| You know, I was aware of it. | ||
| And I've said this so many times now. | ||
| It is really hard to get away now from the knowledge that just about everything these crazy people believe... | ||
| Eventually boils down to hating the Jews. | ||
| Whether or not that is their primary motivation, it's somewhere in there. | ||
| And they don't even necessarily always know that. | ||
| Or they don't think it's important. | ||
| I think that a lot of people, particularly a lot of those folks who were probably in that chat room, probably just think it's like, duh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Yeah, you hate the Jews. | ||
| Of course Jews are evil. | ||
| Jesus, etc. | ||
| Now, not all Jews, but it's most Jews. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| But look at this. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| David Icke is on the show, and though I think he has some good points to make about self-actualization, he is beholden to the protocols of the elders of Zion and has a lot of anti-Semitic beliefs. | ||
| He is a guest on Alex Jones' show. | ||
| Now think about the two stunt interviews that Alex has done in the last year of us covering him. | ||
| There's David Duke and Louis Farrakhan. | ||
| What do the two of them have in common? | ||
| Super against the Jews. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Interesting! | ||
| I really wish the Unabomber was still around. | ||
| Because he would be an amazing guest on InfoWars. | ||
| Was he anti-Semitic? | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| He would be an amazing guest on InfoWars, right? | ||
| He would have been an incredible guest on InfoWars. | ||
| Alex is distrustful of social media, although he loves to use it and brag about his numbers. | ||
| Loves people in the middle of nowhere. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| On the land. | ||
| Unabomber knew where to hide his fucking guns. | ||
| I'll tell you that right now. | ||
| On the land. | ||
| He's living on the land. | ||
| That's important. | ||
| He was also living on the land. | ||
| He was. | ||
| But it's more important that he's on the land. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because we're about to get to another interview. | ||
| There's a guy named Joel Skousen who's on the show now. | ||
| Not a fan of his name. | ||
| No. | ||
| He's no Manhausen or whatever it is. | ||
| Mancow? | ||
| Mancow. | ||
| Mandelson. | ||
| Mandelson. | ||
| Oh, the right Lord Mandelson? | ||
| The right Lord Mandelson. | ||
| So Joel Skousen comes on the show, and ostensibly the interview is about the Bundys, because at this point, in January of 2016... | ||
| This is when they were occupying it, right? | ||
| They had taken over the wildlife refuge. | ||
| There was only one guy killed, right? | ||
| Yeah, there was that... | ||
| Finnegan or something like that? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I can't remember his name. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But it was his fault. | ||
| It was his fault. | ||
| No, it was so his fault. | ||
| But imagine if Native Americans had taken over. | ||
| They would all have been dead. | ||
| They would all have been murdered. | ||
| So fast. | ||
| Or at least way more of them seriously injured. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, I mean, take death out of it. | ||
| There would have been no negotiation. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It would have been a shit ton of cops. | ||
| But that's what we come back to over and over again, is the idea of white behavior being like, eh, and then... | ||
| Minority behavior being criminalized. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You look at the difference between how the Bundy Ranch Not the ranch. | ||
| The standoff at the wildlife preserve. | ||
| How that was treated versus the people at the pipeline. | ||
| The Native Americans at the pipeline. | ||
| And the people at the wildlife preserve, they let them hang out there and fucking do whatever for like a week. | ||
| I know! | ||
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More than that. | |
| I don't even remember how long it lasted. | ||
| No one at the pipeline had a gun. | ||
| No one at the pipeline had a gun. | ||
| And that's why they got hosed. | ||
| Should they have had a shit ton of guns? | ||
| No, because then they would have been killed. | ||
| Are we leaning towards maybe everybody should have guns? | ||
| No, I don't think so, because it's a fallacy that that helps. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Everybody should have white skin. | ||
| With minorities, it leads to escalation. | ||
| With white people, it's like, calm down. | ||
| Everybody calm down. | ||
| Alright, new plan. | ||
| Be cool. | ||
| Most practical plan. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| You know the skin color crayon? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| You know how it's white skin color? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Let's just draw white skin on everybody. | ||
| You're talking about a scandal that happened in the fucking early 90s. | ||
| I know! | ||
| Look, I know! | ||
| Almost no time. | ||
| That was a terrible decision. | ||
| I know that the Dove advertising campaign, wherein they were hugely racist... | ||
| Paul Joseph Watson had an interesting report about that. | ||
| I can't imagine how you would say the word interesting and have it make sense. | ||
| It wasn't good. | ||
| So anyway, Joel Skousen is on. | ||
| And they're talking about the Bundys. | ||
| Yeah, let's just move past my whiteface idea. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So here is where he says something that is in the vein of Roger Stone wanting to regulate Twitter, and apparently David Knight has now come out talking about regulating Facebook. | ||
| Excellent. | ||
| Those are good ideas, and we should apply them to the tech industry as a whole. | ||
| Wait, no, they didn't say that? | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh, of course not. | ||
| And I think that's what ranchers need, so that water rights cannot be taken away, that grazing rights cannot be diminished arbitrarily by the BLM. | ||
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If they were to come out with a proposal like this saying, Well, they are crazy. | |
| But what he's espousing is largely unionization or regulating. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And it goes back to the same thing we see over and over again. | ||
| I'm against this until it touches me. | ||
| Until it touches me. | ||
| When it touches me, fuck you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's so... | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| And the argument is incredibly difficult for us to have because... | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Like, our position is... | ||
|
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Right. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| That makes sense. | ||
| We don't team sport it. | ||
| No, and... | ||
| Farmers being able to get together and unionize for shared interest makes total sense. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| Monsanto should be burned to the ground. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I'm not against that in any way. | ||
| I'm not against even the idea of having regulation about what the government can regulate in terms of water rights or land rights or anything like that. | ||
| But they are. | ||
| Yeah, until it bothers them. | ||
| Right, and that's so frustrating because it's not a conversation you can have. | ||
| It's the same thing where if Alex Jones were to listen to this podcast and come at us, there would be so much, you guys support Hillary and you're Dems, you're dumb liberals, and stuff like that. | ||
| And we'd be like, did you listen to the show? | ||
| We're liberals, sure, but we're too slippery and nuanced to fight back against A concrete thing that they do. | ||
| The idea of a... | ||
| So that's one of the big things that always gets to me. | ||
| Regulation is bad. | ||
| Until it bothers me. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| In which case, regulation is good. | ||
| Like, the people... | ||
| When regulation works in your favor, like, hey, you think things are fair? | ||
| Oh, it's great. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| You dumb liberal snowflake. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's always... | ||
| The demonization of progressives is a million-fold. | ||
| And that's mainly because... | ||
| Every part of that demonization is obfuscating what it is we actually stand for. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like with Antifa. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| You can't be against Antifa. | ||
| They're against fascism. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Their name is anti-fascism. | ||
| The only way to be against it is to create a straw man, basically. | ||
| Or... | ||
| And you can imply that their name is ill-advised. | ||
| Like in Australia, the Liberal Party is our conservatives. | ||
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Right. | |
| You know, that kind of a thing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's the same thing in Sweden. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's so long as you don't know what we believe, how what we will believe will affect you, and so on and so forth. | ||
| So long as you combine us with... | ||
| The communists from Soviet Russia. | ||
| So long as you combine us with all of these things, and so long as it sounds like it makes sense, you will believe anything that damages yourself. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| When it finally does damage you, all of a sudden you're like, you know, these progressives have some good ideas. | ||
| Except when they apply to anything other than when they apply to me. | ||
| Like, it's infuriating. | ||
| But also, until... | ||
| Like, a depression happens. | ||
| And then you're like, well, alright. | ||
| No, it turns out everybody really liked the New Deal whenever they couldn't eat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's crazy how democratic socialism kicked ass whenever people starved to death. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| It's an important lesson. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| It's a good thing we learned it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| No, not really. | ||
| I'm sorry? | ||
| No, not really. | ||
| Sandra Bullock's a Nazi. | ||
| Hold on! | ||
| So we got Joel Skousen trying to make this argument, and that's fine. | ||
| I mean, we wrestle a little bit with hearing an argument we're kind of okay with in that context. | ||
| It's our Achilles heel. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Joel Skousen has some other things that he has to say on this episode. | ||
| And him and Alex get into having a conversation about selling weapons into Syria. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The take on it is interesting because Alex's whole narrative is that Hillary has a digital Dropbox and what have you. | ||
| These are back in the glory days of the digital Dropbox. | ||
| And she basically is just selling arms to whoever wants to buy them. | ||
| Anybody. | ||
| And Joel Skousen has a slightly different take on it that I think is interesting. | ||
| And I actually maybe kind of agree with him if I can make one caveat that I will at the end of this clip. | ||
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| If they're getting old decommissioned missiles, listen, these things are locked away tighter than a drum in old military bases in the U.S. They have to be trans-shipped out of there, across the ocean, through Turkey or Saudi Arabia. | ||
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I mean, who's kidding who? | |
| We know Hillary did it through the State Department. | ||
| The Pentagon wouldn't. | ||
| Well, I'm not saying that Hillary would know what's going on in the dark side of the government. | ||
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I mean, she's a puppet of the dark side. | |
| But, you know, typically Obama or Hillary or even George W. Bush, So, Joel Skousen, when confronted with the idea that Hillary is selling weapons... | ||
| Goes immediately to deep state nonsense. | ||
| Well, but Alex does deep state nonsense, too. | ||
| But Joel Skousen's argument is, come on, man. | ||
| No, of course not. | ||
| She wouldn't know about that stuff. | ||
| Now, here's the caveat I'm going to make. | ||
| It's dangerous for all of us if she knows about it. | ||
| You know who it's not dangerous for, though? | ||
| Alex Jones. | ||
| Blackwater. | ||
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Oh. | |
| That's the caveat I would make. | ||
| Interesting point. | ||
| Seeing that Eric Prince and Blackwater, both organization and guy who runs organization, have been... | ||
| Monster and monstrous. | ||
| ...have been fingered in terms of running weapons in two countries where it's illegal to sell them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And definitely guilty of atrocities and slaughtering civilians. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It makes sense. | ||
| And the clitoris is half an inch higher than you think it's going to be. | ||
| You're just pushing up against the urethra. | ||
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Quarter. | |
| You're just pushing up against the urethra. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You mispronounced that. | ||
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Urethra. | |
| Apologies. | ||
| I'd like a written apology to Puss. | ||
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I will write an apology to Puss. | |
| So, like, what I'm hearing from that clip, if you take away the premise that is, like, the government is selling these missiles to all these countries, if you just let that sit for a second, his idea that... | ||
| Hillary wouldn't know about that stuff. | ||
| People have got to be protected from that in terms of plausible deniability. | ||
| Politicians are puppets, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| That stuff, I definitely agree. | ||
| I don't think that Reagan necessarily knew everything that was going on in Iran-Contra. | ||
| I don't know if Reagan knew. | ||
| At that point. | ||
| At that point. | ||
| Anything. | ||
| But you know what I'm saying? | ||
| Even if he had all his faculties, I don't think that he would have been... | ||
| Yeah, the people who are like... | ||
| He showed early signs of dementia in offices. | ||
| They're like, oh, do you mean he was fucking insane? | ||
| Because that's what it sounds like you mean. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Anyways. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But of course. | ||
| Of course there are factions at play and stuff like that. | ||
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Doesn't that seem just too like a movie, though? | |
| Like, the idea of that... | ||
| Our history sort of bears it out, though. | ||
| I know, that is the frustrating part. | ||
| Yeah, there do seem to be, like, I mean, the CIA in JFK times. | ||
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Right. | |
| In terms of trying to recruit anti-Castro Cubans. | ||
| And they tried to kill Castro, like, 300 times. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And JFK was not necessarily aware of all of those efforts. | ||
| There were machinations behind the scenes. | ||
| Too busy fucking. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Too busy fucking. | ||
| Who could blame him? | ||
| He was a playboy. | ||
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That's a good question, Dan. | |
| One of the great questions of our time. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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Who killed JR? | |
| Who killed JR? | ||
| It's the only question I could think of. | ||
| It was Maggie Simpson. | ||
| Everybody does that. | ||
| I was trying to think of also from that era type questions. | ||
| I don't remember when Dallas was on. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| It's all before I was born. | ||
| I love the fact that we're weird enough to pull out a Dallas reference, which was 20 years before we were born. | ||
| Yeah, but it made its mark. | ||
| Much like Save the Cheerleader, Save the World. | ||
| People will be making that reference 20 years from now. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| No, they won't. | ||
| I doubt it. | ||
| But look, I don't know. | ||
| Maybe I'm trying to gild the lily a little bit just so I can make my argument that I think what Joel Skousen is talking about is Blackwater. | ||
| Some sort of military contractor. | ||
| It seems like those would be the people who have access to high-grade munitions and weapons. | ||
| Which is the entire point of their existence, is they are not under federal oversight. | ||
| It's like money laundering scams. | ||
| It's the same thing, but with guns. | ||
| And if Joel Skousen is saying Hillary wouldn't be involved in this, who would? | ||
| That's the next question a real journalist would ask. | ||
| Alex doesn't. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He just wants to go back to Hillary. | ||
| He's like, wait. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| Okay, so if Hillary wasn't involved with this, how was Hillary involved with this? | ||
| And she was totally involved with this, right? | ||
| Are you trying to tell me the digital Dropbox was for cat videos? | ||
| Joel, answer me. | ||
| Actually, yeah. | ||
| Actually, yeah. | ||
| Those are hilarious. | ||
| That's all 33,000 of the emails that got deleted. | ||
| Have you seen the small cat who, when you rub his belly, he's like so close and then you go away and he's like, ah! | ||
| Wasn't that cat named Socks? | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| Socks the cat? | ||
| The one who plays the piano? | ||
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| The tiny little kitten that did the ah thing. | ||
| I'm pretty sure Bill Clinton's cat was Socks. | ||
| Probably dead by now, though. | ||
| It's been years. | ||
| Not according to the deep state. | ||
| Anyway, this is the end of our time with Joel Skousen, because the rest of it is mostly about, like... | ||
| That's a frustrating name. | ||
| I don't like it. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| I don't like it. | ||
| It sounds nefarious automatically. | ||
| It sounds like Scowl. | ||
| Skousen! | ||
| You want to put an L in there, and I don't think there is one. | ||
| I think it's Skousen. | ||
| I think it has just too much of a German flavor for me. | ||
| Like, Skousen! | ||
| Like, ooh, ooh, boy. | ||
| But he belongs in this category of Infowars guests, and man, it sucks because I'm saying some stuff that you're going to clown on me for, the listeners aren't going to like. | ||
| Oh, Dan, you know I don't clown on you for. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| When Joel Skousen is on the show, I mostly tune out. | ||
| He's not really that bad in terms of his beliefs. | ||
| He has a lot of dumb geopolitical ideas and stuff like that. | ||
| But in terms of red flags, Matt Bracken has red flags all over him. | ||
| Whenever he shows up, I'm like, I gotta listen. | ||
| And he always is like, oh shit. | ||
| And I realize this actually pisses me off. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| About myself. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| On our last episode, we talked about Matt Bracken's appearance on the show. | ||
| And I talked about how that is what Media Matters should be talking about more than the Linda Sarsour comparison. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And I realized when I went back and listened to it that I forgot to play a clip. | ||
| And I don't have the clip. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But I could go get it, and now I can't because time's up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We're recording right now. | ||
| It's too late. | ||
| I'll get it on the next episode. | ||
| Sure you will. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| You can find it if you just go listen to the episode. | ||
| But that's Alex Jones tricks. | ||
| No one listening is going to go back and listen to an Alex Jones episode, Dan. | ||
| One of the things that motivated me to be like, this is so much more bigoted than the Linda Sarsour stuff, was that Matt Bracken got into going hard about the overbreeding. | ||
| And the idea that white people are going to be bred out. | ||
| Anytime somebody says breeding, that's bad. | ||
| That's bad. | ||
| Nobody should ever say breeding. | ||
| He was making the argument that liberals are mad and Islamists should be mad because this guy went and ran a truck into people when if you just chill out, we're going to outbreed them. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| And I was like, boy. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Not tasty. | ||
| Not tasty as an argument. | ||
| So there are people like that, like Matt Bracken. | ||
| And then there are people like David Icke, where I'm like, alright, I dig you crazy. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| But also, arms distance. | ||
| You're a silly cat. | ||
| And then on January 7th here, you have Joel Skousen, and I think he's wrong about a lot of stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But also, I don't hate him. | ||
| He's just sort of a nebulous concept. | ||
| Whereas like Harry... | ||
| Harry Dent or Schiff, Peter Schiff. | ||
| They're terrible. | ||
| And then later, Max Kaiser is going to show up. | ||
| And I think I might like Max Kaiser. | ||
| Okay, I understand where you're coming from. | ||
| I'm wrestling with this. | ||
| No, no, no, I know. | ||
| I'm struggling. | ||
| Here's the problem. | ||
| The bar is so low? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You're in a world where all you have to do to be a centrist is just not... | ||
| Hate the Jews so loud. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, that's your world. | ||
| Or mind your narratives. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's why, you know, me and all of the rest of us who don't listen to Alex Jones every single day can clown on you over being Dan the Centrist. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which you love to do. | ||
| Not least of which, because you love guns and want everybody to have them. | ||
| I don't want everybody to. | ||
| You're even against white genocide, which I think is the most centrist position that you can have. | ||
| So... | ||
| So, it is kind of a situation where your perspective will always be warped by the relative horrificness of Alex Jones' guests. | ||
| Yeah, that is definitely fair. | ||
| And employees. | ||
| Nobody's clowning on you because they dislike you. | ||
| It's just we live in different perspectives. | ||
| There is no counting for the fact that we've been doing this for now. | ||
| A little over 10 months. | ||
| 4,000 hours. | ||
| We're about to hit that... | ||
| Dude, Malcolm Gladwell is going to jerk off to us. | ||
| But we've been going over this, and most... | ||
| That's the weirdest thing I've ever said. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| But most of the time, we go over these episodes, and I don't even include the portions that are like Paul Joseph Watson being a... | ||
| Full of shit. | ||
| And stuff like that. | ||
| So you guys who are listening, and you, Jordan, don't realize the vitriol that isn't included in the show. | ||
| No, Dan, I am more than aware that sometimes you are out to protect me. | ||
| So Joel Skousen is okay, but bad. | ||
| And also protect the show so I don't yell for 14 contiguous minutes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I guess my point in that is also preparatory because in a little bit we will get to Max Keiser. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's an interview with him at the end of the show that I think is fascinating. | ||
| It's mostly about him being in favor of Bitcoin and Alex being like, we don't know enough facts. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So go buy MaxCoin. | ||
| Well, I think this is actually... | ||
| This is pre-MaxCoin? | ||
| I'm not sure when MaxCoin started. | ||
| He doesn't pimp it at all. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He just talks about how cryptocurrencies are... | ||
| The future. | ||
| They've shown themselves in terms of... | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And he's like, I don't know why you don't trust it, Alex. | ||
| I think I'm on his side. | ||
| I think cryptocurrency makes sense. | ||
| And at the same time, I'm not going to switch over to cryptocurrency anytime soon. | ||
| On paper... | ||
| It seems like a lot of work. | ||
| On paper, it does exist, or it does seem to work. | ||
| I'm also not going to change. | ||
| Right. | ||
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I will change. | |
| I would change over if more things that were convenient in my life were relevant to that. | ||
| And you've just explained all of human history right there. | ||
| I don't like Amazon, but I use it because... | ||
| No, I despise Amazon. | ||
| I hate Apple, but I have a fucking iPhone. | ||
| See, I don't use Amazon. | ||
| I don't use Uber or any of those things. | ||
| I hate corporations, and I do have an iPhone, and I shouldn't, but I can't. | ||
| There's a part of me that's like... | ||
| You don't want a Samsung? | ||
| I can't survive without an iPhone? | ||
| You don't want a fucking Zoom? | ||
| I'm in the ecosystem. | ||
| I've got a MacBook Pro. | ||
| I've got an iPhone. | ||
| I've got an iPad. | ||
| I can't escape! | ||
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Right. | |
| All my stuff is there! | ||
| I hate Facebook, but we have a Facebook page. | ||
| I hate Twitter, but we are on Twitter. | ||
| Social media is the devil, but you make a deal with it on some level. | ||
| Personally, I have not been happier since when I left Facebook and Twitter. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| And I don't use my personal account really at all. | ||
| And I'm much happier than back when I would look through people's posts and be like, why you booked on that, you son of a bitch? | ||
| But also that has to do with leaving comedy too. | ||
| At a certain point, I used to care about that and then I started going through lineups and I was like, oh, I no longer... | ||
| I used to feel jealousy and I no longer feel jealousy. | ||
| Anyways, we gotta get out of comedy. | ||
| We gotta get out of comedy. | ||
| So all of that is... | ||
| A bizarre reaction to me saying that Joel Skousen isn't that bad. | ||
| And maybe he is. | ||
| And I just haven't heard it. | ||
| I think we got to the bottom of it. | ||
| It's possible that he's a monster and I just don't know it. | ||
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I'm going to give that caveat, but let's move on. | |
| Statistical likelihood, he's a monster. | ||
| It seems like most of his arguments are about prepping. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which I'm okay with. | ||
| Doomsday prepping? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| As long as you're not crazy, I'm okay with it. | ||
| You should have water in the house. | ||
| Those guys seem right. | ||
| You should have water, and you should have some sort of food supply. | ||
| Like, when I was growing up, we had a basement, and my parents had a bit of food supply down there and some bottled water. | ||
| Y2K? | ||
| My family had water. | ||
| Your family's crazy. | ||
| But for my family, it was more about the idea that we lived in Missouri and there were tons of tornadoes. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And we might have to hang out in the basement for a week or something like that. | ||
| It's good preparation. | ||
| And for no matter what, it's good to be prepared. | ||
| Scout shit. | ||
| Theoretically. | ||
| Yeah, but it gets weird whenever you're like, I'm going to build bombs. | ||
| When it becomes central to your identity, that's when it becomes trouble. | ||
| Or if it impedes you from the lifestyle that you would otherwise be living. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like when you spend all your money on it, all your time, you make your family do stuff they're uncomfortable with. | ||
| Because I watch that show a bunch. | ||
| Well, at the same time... | ||
| That Doomsday Prepper show is mostly about bad marriages. | ||
| That's what it's mostly about. | ||
| I mean, at a certain point... | ||
| It's mostly about sad wives and overly motivated husbands. | ||
| It's just another super weird dad kind of behavior. | ||
| The guy who's super into cars is only slightly less insane than the guy who's super into doomsday prep. | ||
| But at the same time, there's not... | ||
| No, there is. | ||
| I mean, being able to fix a car is great, and being able to have a kernel of a supply if shit goes bad is good. | ||
| It's all healthy impulses gone bad. | ||
| And maybe that's what this whole show is generally about. | ||
| That's probably what it is. | ||
| So let's get to this next clip, because Max Keiser doesn't show up for a little bit. | ||
| Welcome back to Healthy Impulses Gone Bad. | ||
| I'm going to drink this vodka. | ||
| So in this next clip, Alex Jones laments that he didn't stop Obama. | ||
| That fucking guy. | ||
| What's weird is I'm up here seeing how bad they are, and it sounds like it's cartoonish, like I'm making it up, but it's not. | ||
| Because you are. | ||
| You're worse than I'm saying. | ||
| I'm mad at myself. | ||
| I don't have words to describe how evil Obama is and how mad I am. | ||
| That I didn't try to stop him getting elected. | ||
| I am a pathetic liberal. | ||
| I'm just a gullible idiot. | ||
| I'll be honest with you. | ||
| I wanted to see a black guy get elected compared to John McCain and thought maybe he would bring people together. | ||
| I mean, I knew the Globals wanted to divide and conquer us, but all the hype and all the love... | ||
| I mean, I was against Obama. | ||
| That doesn't track. | ||
| But I just wasn't against him enough. | ||
| That doesn't track either. | ||
| And I'm telling you, I'm not getting fooled again, man. | ||
| These people are evil. | ||
| I won't get fooled again! | ||
| That rambling brain trail that he went down is so racist. | ||
| I wasn't against Obama. | ||
| I mean, I hated him, and I didn't vote for him, but I wasn't against him enough. | ||
| But also, they like... | ||
| I have been dyed in the wool my entire life into liberal positions. | ||
| And that whole premise of you grow up and you become more conservative, I don't feel that at all. | ||
| You and I were raised from very different stock. | ||
| Well, certainly. | ||
| But be that as it may, it doesn't matter. | ||
| Because you did come from dickweed, weird, conservative... | ||
| Cult family. | ||
| How dare you be accurate? | ||
| And I came from a religious but also liberal. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, they were Christian. | ||
| They were super Christian, but never not liberal. | ||
| They were the type of Christian that Christ would have enjoyed. | ||
| I think that my dad would like you saying that. | ||
| I hope he listens to this episode. | ||
| Maybe not the David Icke part. | ||
| Nah, maybe not. | ||
| But, like, that to me, I... | ||
| Always have had a diverse set of friends. | ||
| And I've always kept people in my life, even that I disagree with, to a point. | ||
| When it became fighting and shit like that, I'm not going to hang out with you anymore. | ||
| Hey, if it's destructive, mail on it. | ||
| But all the liberals that I knew around the time that Obama got elected, not a one of them, to a man or a woman, was like, I want to see a black guy in there. | ||
| They might have subconsciously thought that. | ||
| You know, there's a certain part of me that wants to disagree because... | ||
| It was never a selling point. | ||
| No. | ||
| Outside of, this is not something that Alex would say, and I think it is a reasonable selling point in terms of race. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just the idea of... | ||
| children seeing a black president, black children seeing someone who conforms to their perception of self, opens up a wide window of, oh, this is something that has never been a possibility for me, and now it is. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| That's meaningful psychologically. | ||
| That's not what Alex is talking about. | ||
| No, of course not. | ||
| That's the extent that I ever heard any sort of like, let's get a black guy in there. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Whereas Alex is talking about it in terms of... | |
| Divide and conquer, race baiting. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I want to see a black guy in there. | ||
| Maybe that'll calm the blacks down. | ||
| That's what he's saying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He is saying that if you voted for Obama, what you were voting for is pacifying black people. | ||
| Which is not a good position to take. | ||
| On some level, that is what he's saying. | ||
| And then he's saying, look, I love the love. | ||
|
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Fuck. | |
| What am I going to do with this? | ||
| I wasn't for Obama. | ||
|
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I wasn't for... | |
| I didn't fight hard enough. | ||
| Like, that just struggle in his brain of, like, he doesn't know what to do. | ||
| Like, because at the beginning of this episode, he called for his impeachment. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, he called for Paul Ryan's impeachment. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because he won't impeach Obama. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He sounds as crazy as I do. | ||
| No, because your craziness at least is all focused in the same direction. | ||
| Like, Alex is all over the place. | ||
| Like, he's trying to make penance in some way in this for being, like, not against Obama enough. | ||
| But look, I got duped. | ||
| I got duped. | ||
| But if you don't actually believe in anything. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Then it has to be... | ||
| That is kind of a fascinating headspace to get into that you can't really process if you're not that. | ||
| The sociopath? | ||
| Yeah, exactly! | ||
| But that's why I watched all of that one fucking Netflix show, like Mindhunter or whatever it is. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| No, I watched all of that shit too. | ||
| But it is like... | ||
| The reason that it's so fascinating is because the 99% of us, or 90, 85, 84% of us who aren't psychopaths, it's fascinating. | ||
| Like, how do you get into that headspace? | ||
| What is it like if you're that person? | ||
| What is it like if you don't really believe in anything? | ||
| Is that what it's like? | ||
| I'm trying to do a Durst impression. | ||
| I know. | ||
| You're really struggling. | ||
| You're really struggling. | ||
| I can't do a fake burp, so I just got to automatically... | ||
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It's not good. | |
| It's not good. | ||
| So yeah, I agree. | ||
| I mean, I think that's the fascination with true crime shows to a lot of the extent of... | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I mean, our culture is... | ||
| And on a sick level, it is also what reality TV is. | ||
| But unfortunately, it's self-reinforcing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because those reality shows are like, we're watching people be artificial sociopaths. | ||
| They're getting paid a bunch of money to act like that. | ||
| Or they're not getting paid a bunch of money. | ||
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No, they are. | |
| And they're just getting publicity to act like that. | ||
| No, but then they get paid a bunch of money to show up at a bar for a private appearance. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Like, if I could go on some fucking show and then end up getting $35,000 to show up at a bar... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| You know what's crazy? | ||
| Like those dudes in the Real World Road Rules Challenge do. | ||
| Yeah, no, no, no. | ||
| So do all the... | ||
| $35,000 to show up at a bar. | ||
| All of the Jersey Shore people. | ||
| We're going to party. | ||
| I was almost on Married at First Sight. | ||
| That's a true story. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, this is the rest of the episode. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| It's not a super interesting story. | ||
| I was on a... | ||
| I strongly disagree. | ||
| I was... | ||
| So, no, no, no. | ||
| So, when I was... | ||
| That show where you would have to get married to someone you just met. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why did you sign up for this? | ||
| Because that's the more interesting story. | ||
| I didn't sign up for it. | ||
| I was recruited. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I was on the OkCupid's. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And so, all of a sudden, I started talking to this one girl, lady, woman. | ||
| Turns out, Reality show recruiter? | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| She didn't make that clear from the first message? | ||
| Of course not! | ||
| That's subterfuge. | ||
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I don't like that. | |
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| No, we started talking and she made me do this whole audition video and all this shit and I was at a point in my life where I was like, you know what, fuck it. | ||
| I'm bored. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I get that impulse. | ||
| She explained to me that the reason that I was not cast was because I was a comedian and they thought I would fuck with them. | ||
| And I was like, you nailed it. | ||
| There is no way I would have taken this seriously and I would have fucked with you guys the whole time. | ||
| Well, I mean, I think the good news is that show didn't work, so... | ||
| Even if you had signed up, it would be embarrassing. | ||
| It would be hilarious to me. | ||
| It would be embarrassing in hindsight. | ||
| The funniest fucking shit. | ||
| If you had signed in on fully and been like, I want to do this. | ||
| No, no chance. | ||
| I got an email out of the blue from some producers that they were trying to do a... | ||
| They're like, hey, we're going to do a new version of the guy code and girl code, those MTV2 shows, but together. | ||
| Like, real cool. | ||
| They're like, let's do a video audition. | ||
| So I got, like, a Skype going and shit. | ||
| If I had it now, I have these fucking webcams. | ||
| That would be perfect. | ||
| But my fucking laptop computer, I just looked grainy and shit. | ||
| And they're like, this video's not good. | ||
| I'm like, sorry. | ||
| It's what I got. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| And so they were asking me, they're like, what pisses you off about women? | ||
| I'm like, I don't like the question. | ||
| Currently, you. | ||
| Immediately, I was like, this show is not going to cast me. | ||
| Number one, I look like a crazy person, and I am not playing ball. | ||
| This is no good. | ||
| I did a weekend with one of the hosts of The Guy Code. | ||
| Well, but there are a couple good people on there, like John Gabris is amazing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He's fucking hilarious. | ||
| Not that guy. | ||
| Mateo was on there. | ||
| Our friend Mateo Lane. | ||
| Not that guy. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I don't remember who else is on there. | ||
| You don't need to know. | ||
|
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Great. | |
| And I don't name names. | ||
| But there are people who are on those shows who are actually really talented. | ||
|
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No, of course. | |
| It's not their fault the show sucks. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| But also, it is embarrassing when this person is like... | ||
| It was from the E! | ||
| network. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
|
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E! | |
| was trying to get their own version of that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, first of all, why the fuck are you talking to me? | ||
| Why did you send me an email out of the blue? | ||
| I'm not... | ||
| You fucking can find a picture of me. | ||
| You know what I look like. | ||
| That's a little bit weird. | ||
| You know what I look like. | ||
| And I have... | ||
| Fucking hundreds of hours of me talking into a microphone. | ||
| You're like, you probably don't. | ||
| Nah. | ||
| Hey, if you cast me for your reality show, just so you know, when people Google me, shit's gonna get wild. | ||
| This might have been before we started this podcast. | ||
| I didn't mean just you and me. | ||
| I meant your entire podcast oeuvre. | ||
| That's not on the internet anymore. | ||
| That shit is down. | ||
| Fair. | ||
| But be that as it may, this has been a wonderful glance down memory lane. | ||
| Yeah, were we talking about Alex Jones? | ||
| No, not really. | ||
| I forgot about it. | ||
| But this is our version of Alex being like, I've been in big movies. | ||
| Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. | ||
| That's our like, that's our we've touched show business. | ||
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You were almost on a dumb marriage reality show. | |
| That's exactly what it is, except for, again, We're reality-based. | ||
| We take the piss out of ourselves. | ||
| This is fucking stupid. | ||
| Why would we have ever done this? | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Not like, I had the opportunity to do it. | ||
|
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No. | |
| They asked me to do it. | ||
| No, it was just fucking stupid. | ||
| No, it was dumb. | ||
| We made fun of it. | ||
| It was a bad idea. | ||
| Frankly, maybe if I had lied about being a comic, I would have been on Married at First Sight, and I would be the biggest comic in the world. | ||
| Oh, and if I had had a better webcam, and I had been like, Let me roll with the questions as opposed to being myself. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Maybe I would have made $1,000 and then the show never would have aired. | ||
| You just explained why we're never going to be successful. | ||
| Maybe if we hadn't been ourselves. | ||
| Yeah, that's why we're here. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So in this next clip, Alex Jones talks a bit more about the Nation of Islam. | ||
| Because he went and visited Farrakhan, as we talked about. | ||
| And he says something that I staunchly disagree with. | ||
| Theory. | ||
| Or perhaps postulate, before we begin. | ||
| Hypothesis. | ||
| If Farrakhan had flattered Alex, how would that have gone? | ||
| He did. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| I think it's in this next clip. | ||
| I was inside the Nation of Islam, one of their main headquarters, and... | ||
| I probably talked to 20 men, and they were like, I liked this show last week. | ||
| I like what you did. | ||
| Blah, blah, blah. | ||
| I mean, it's like, and then they turn the computer on, and Alex Jones is playing. | ||
| Oh, excuse us. | ||
| I mean, it's like, and you're like, well, what? | ||
| People are like, well, what do you mean? | ||
| I don't like the nation of Islam. | ||
| They're anti-Semitic, whatever. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| We can reach out to them and get them to come out against the New World Order, and we agree with them about vaccines. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| The point is, if we've even got the nation of Islam listening every day, and in foreign governments and everything else, it's amazing. | ||
| So, let's unpack that. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| Let's unpack that. | ||
| It takes so little for Alex Jones to love you. | ||
| Well, but that version of things is, it's like, hey, who cares they're anti-Semitic? | ||
| Yeah, hey, don't worry about it. | ||
| Now, I want to juxtapose that with my support of David Icke that I was talking about earlier. | ||
| I really wish you wouldn't call it support of David Icke. | ||
| You could call it a soft spot for David Icke. | ||
| I only did for reference. | ||
| I would respect soft spot for David Icke. | ||
| I do stop just short of support. | ||
| But David Icke is not legitimately anti-Semitic. | ||
| He is beholden to anti-Semitic ideas and metaphorically spits out Some rhetoric. | ||
| He's a Pez dispenser. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But he is not someone who is like, the Jews are evil. | ||
| Farrakhan is. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And the Nation of Islam has had that tradition. | ||
| Pretty hardcore. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so the difference here where Alex is like, who cares if they're anti-Semitic? | ||
| That's bad. | ||
| That's very bad. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Whereas for me, when I say, look... | ||
| David Icke clearly has brain damage. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And he believes the protocols of the elders of Zion and what have you. | ||
| When I say that, it's less, who cares about that? | ||
| It's more, let's look at this in context. | ||
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Right. | |
| If he actually was coming out and being like, fuck these Jews, then there would be no soft spot that I have for him. | ||
| Wouldn't be great. | ||
| Whereas Alex, it's like, who cares? | ||
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They like me. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| They like me. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And you hear that clip. | ||
| It's totally clear what happened. | ||
| Right. | ||
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They had people put up InfoWars on their browsers. | |
| Yep. | ||
| So he would see them. | ||
| Do you know what that's called? | ||
| That's called fucking research! | ||
| It's called compromising. | ||
| If you do it, you'll wind up tricking people. | ||
| It's called compromising somebody through flattery. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And that's the easiest trick. | |
| It's like, oh, no, excuse me. | ||
| Oh, let me close out of these tabs. | ||
| No. | ||
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It happens to be an article about how you're amazing. | |
| Who would have guessed? | ||
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Oh, my God. | |
| You guys over there, you're breaking all the big news. | ||
| Alex would never demand, like, what video did you watch? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| you blacks are amazing. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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That's what he had. | |
| That's the road he went down. | ||
| Farrakhan and these guys. | ||
| You're going to say you blacks are amazing? | ||
| In Alex Jones'voice. | ||
| I got it. | ||
| These, like, they played him like a, Well, as we fucking established, it's not hard. | ||
| And that's the point of it. | ||
| But it does take a little bit of forethought, and it is impressive to me. | ||
| It's impressive to me that they thought to do that. | ||
| No, that's brilliant. | ||
| Because it's clear they did. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| It's clear that... | ||
| Well, and it's not even brilliant. | ||
| It's just if you do a modicum of research on somebody, and you actually attempt to influence them, you can probably succeed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that is the story of everybody who's been on Alex Jones' show. | ||
| If you do just the slightest bit... | ||
| Look, Dan. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You could go on to Alex Jones' show using all of your information. | ||
| I might call him tomorrow. | ||
| Had you... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Have you the self-control to do so, Alex Jones would be a fan of Knowledge Fight. | ||
| Assuming he doesn't already know we exist, yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If he has that pre-knowledge, then it would be impossible. | ||
| But if I called in and was like, hey, Alex, look, you're the best. | ||
| You're spitting this truth that no one is putting out there. | ||
| It's so important. | ||
| That's where it would end, is because you'd be like, you're spitting this truth that no one else is putting out there, because you're lying. | ||
| I don't have honesty to read. | ||
| You're like Kevin Nealon's subliminal man. | ||
| I would just be like, look, dude. | ||
| You're the best, bro. | ||
| Bro. | ||
| Bro. | ||
| You're the shit. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| I love you. | ||
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All right. | |
| You're selling me all this? | ||
| You've got the truth behind you. | ||
| I believe you. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| Excellent. | ||
| Look, we do a podcast about you. | ||
| Can we get a plug in? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Give it a plug. | ||
| Give it a plug. | ||
| Listen, this podcast is called Knowledge Fight. | ||
| We just talk about... | ||
| It's like InfoWars, but Knowledge Fight. | ||
| We just talk about how great you are. | ||
| It's the best. | ||
| Oh, you guys should check that out. | ||
| Maybe that would work. | ||
| Instantly. | ||
| Yeah, but it all is just flattery. | ||
| If he came here, that thought died. | ||
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Yeah, I know. | |
| There's nowhere for that to go. | ||
| No. | ||
| I was trying to think about how we could co-opt him if he came to Chicago, and they're like, is he going to come to my bedroom? | ||
| No, if he came here, it would just be me barking at him. | ||
| Oh, you wouldn't be here. | ||
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No. | |
| It'll be one-on-one. | ||
| Good point. | ||
| Good point. | ||
| You're not wrong. | ||
| That is a very smart deal. | ||
| Look, if you put that shit on Twitch, millions of viewers. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| We gotta find Rappaport's number. | ||
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Anyway... | |
| Is that the next step for us? | ||
| You know what I've realized? | ||
| Mike Rappaport? | ||
| John Rappaport? | ||
| Mike Rappaport, too. | ||
| Mike Rappaport, that'd be great. | ||
| What I've realized, this is an interesting thing, because we haven't covered Rappaport in a long time. | ||
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Yes. | |
| And that's because his reports have been boring. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Of course. | |
| He's every other Thursday, though, still hosting the fourth hour. | ||
| And what I've realized is he's like, he's kind of a psychiatrist or psychologist for InfoWars. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because he is so much of a calm presence. | ||
| Because he does these neuro-linguistic programming type tricks. | ||
| The way he speaks with these lilting tones. | ||
| He does a bit of that. | ||
| He sounded a bit like a ghost there. | ||
| No, he does that too. | ||
| He sounds like a ghost? | ||
| Yeah, but not as like... | ||
| That was parody. | ||
| But at the same time, he does those... | ||
| He's very trained in how he uses... | ||
| The tones of his voice and the gait of his speech. | ||
| To the point where even if he wanted to control it, he probably couldn't. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| And it's so calm. | ||
| And that's unlike anything on Infowars that is so angry. | ||
| Even if you're David Knight being boring, you're still an angry boring. | ||
| He's still a little hot compared to... | ||
| John Rappaport. | ||
| And the last four times that Rappaport's been on, I've wanted to cover what he's done. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Because you know I love him so much. | ||
| The body of the report is no good. | ||
| And then each time, the part that's interesting isn't long enough. | ||
| And had I known, I would have gotten a month of all of these. | ||
| But basically what happens is, he shows up for the fourth hour and counsels Alex. | ||
| For the first ten minutes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He counsels, like, Alex is in a bad mood, and he's like, John, what about this? | ||
| And he's like, well, you gotta think about the angles, and, you know, like, vaccines are terrible. | ||
| He does, he basically talks Alex down. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| And then the next 45 minutes is his own report. | ||
| And what made it crystal clear to me was last Thursday was when Owen Troyer hosted. | ||
| And Owen was freaking out at the end of the show. | ||
| He couldn't figure out where to put his bearings. | ||
| He had no idea what was going on, and he was like, these JFK reports came out, and turns out Hitler's still alive, and everyone clowned on that, and that was just him misspeaking. | ||
| Because that's silly. | ||
| It was him misspeaking, and everyone jumped on that fucking nonsense. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| And so he's just like, what do I do? | ||
| And the whole time, you have stoic John Rappaport just being like, you're 27. You probably have a sports medicine degree. | ||
| Calm down. | ||
| The globalists are doing what they do. | ||
| And he just counseled him through like 15 minutes. | ||
| It was weird. | ||
| It's such a weird dynamic. | ||
| Rappaport is the weird Zen master of InfoWars? | ||
| He's the guru. | ||
| That's what you're doing? | ||
| Yeah, basically. | ||
| So wait. | ||
| Is this all John Rapoport's idea now? | ||
| No. | ||
| Are we sure? | ||
| No, because he didn't exist in a meaningful way in 2015 or even where we are now in 2016. | ||
| He had shown up just to talk about how AIDS isn't real and vaccines are bad. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Because he has that medical journalism, in hard quotes, background. | ||
| But no, he's become, essentially, on Thursdays... | ||
| Every other Thursday. | ||
| Someone who will talk the host down. | ||
| It's fucking crazy. | ||
| That's cute. | ||
| What that is, is cute. | ||
| I'm gonna keep a better track of that because it sounds lame for me to just sell this whole cloth and be like, this is what they do. | ||
| But I assure you, it's counseling. | ||
| It's absolutely... | ||
| Because John Rappaport's gifted with his language and he knows how he speaks. | ||
| It's basically like... | ||
| Cognitive behavioral therapy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But with an abrasive host. | ||
| Again. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| How certain are we that John Rappaport isn't influencing all of these people to do what it is he wants them to do? | ||
| I have no evidence that John Rappaport has ever spoken to Larry Nichols. | ||
| Nah, that's wrong. | ||
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You gotta know that John Rappaport and I have been friends since Nicaragua. | |
| Oh, Rappaport was in Nicaragua? | ||
|
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Rappaport was in Nicaragua. | |
| That's how we got the cross-eye. | ||
| That's the plan. | ||
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Oh, boy. | |
| Look, I don't know that he knows him. | ||
| I don't know that... | ||
| I don't think... | ||
| Look, I 100% don't think that he's a part of the 45 group. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And I also don't think... | ||
| This is tough. | ||
| I don't really think that I've ever heard John Rappaport say all that much about Trump. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| He's really into medical shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that's because he's a lunatic. | ||
| Yeah, but I know he's pro-Trump. | ||
| Is he? | ||
| He is. | ||
| But I don't think I've ever heard him say that much. | ||
| I don't think he cares that much. | ||
| Well, he's John Rapoport. | ||
| He's a fucking bastard. | ||
| He's afraid of vaccines. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And bushes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's afraid of college campus bushes. | ||
| If I know one person that he's spoken to. | ||
| It's General Stubblebine. | ||
| That's for the wonks out there. | ||
| That's for the regular listeners. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Anyway, Alex Jones in this next clip gets into a theory about liberals that I don't agree with. | ||
| I think I'll probably agree with it. | ||
| I'm a woman with short hair. | ||
| I'm Rachel Maddow. | ||
| I'm the authority. | ||
| Obama, Congress time for you to get in line. | ||
| None of this is creepy at all. | ||
| Government openly funding ISIS, openly giving them stinger missiles, neocon Republicans running Obama. | ||
| You tell a Democrat that, they're on too big a power trip, they look at you through feeble little eyes and giggle and go, you're just mad, you're not in power. | ||
| I had a prominent Democrat this morning who I was on the phone with on some issues here in town, and he was giggling and laughing at me about the executive order and betting I was upset. | ||
| So, I don't know who this prominent Democrat is, but also the idea... | ||
| Nancy Pelosi, she loves InfoWars. | ||
| The idea that this prominent Democrat was like, ha ha, neener, neener, you're just mad, that flies in the face of, I mean, I would say all... | ||
| Literally everything? | ||
| Well, but no, maybe not, but all of InfoWars advertising, where they're like, buy this shirt, it'll piss off Democrats. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, that sort of thing. | ||
| It turns out we're not pissing them off. | ||
| They're giggling at us. | ||
| Why are you mad at... | ||
| First of all, that interaction didn't happen. | ||
| But why are you hypothetically mad at this person being like, Oh, you're pissed off? | ||
| You're pissed off? | ||
| Isn't that fun? | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's your ad strategy. | ||
| It's your entire life. | ||
| And I know we get back to this stupid hypocrisy thing where it doesn't matter. | ||
| Right. | ||
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But... | |
| Like, big picture, it does. | ||
| It really does. | ||
| As a time capsule, it does. | ||
| Well, that's possible. | ||
| We're never going to make effective change, but as a just... | ||
| Yeah, when you get really big picture, yes, I agree. | ||
| As a matter of record. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It matters when you... | ||
| And it's also fascinating because that is tied right into a very small part wherein he says... | ||
| Neocons are running Obama, and you're like, fuck, you might be fucking right about that. | ||
| Why are you saying that shit? | ||
| Well, because, like, okay, here's why. | ||
| Alex is wrong. | ||
| That's why. | ||
| Like, what you just expressed right there is literally why Alex is wrong. | ||
| We talk about the... | ||
| We, I mean I, talk about this a lot because I studied logic extensively in college. | ||
| Jinx. | ||
| And the reason... | ||
| You have to be Robert Durst for Halloween. | ||
| I had to buy you a Coke. | ||
| Burp. | ||
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Look... | |
| Yes, continue. | ||
| The important thing about logic is truth preservation. | ||
| I've brought this up in the past. | ||
| And the only thing that logic is opposed to, in terms of sentential logic and predicate logic, is truth cannot lead to falsity. | ||
| That is where there's a problem. | ||
| If you start from true premises and lead to a false conclusion, that's a problem. | ||
| A false conclusion. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Who gives a shit? | ||
| You're already wrong. | ||
| And a false premise to true conclusion. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's all fine. | ||
| The only instance where things are actually a real problem are true premises. | ||
| False conclusion. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's what Alex does all the time. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| We've talked about it probably three times already on this podcast. | ||
| If not more. | ||
| On this episode, I mean. | ||
| Yeah, that's possible. | ||
| When you talk about, like, Obama is involved with neoconservatives and that is a problem, as it relates to also neoliberals, it is a big problem. | ||
| So you have truth there. | ||
| And then what it comes down to... | ||
| Is, like, neener-neener stuff. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| You're just trying to, like... | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's a game, and you're just trying to fuck. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| That's a false conclusion that you're coming to, and that's where logic comes into play, where it's like, well, we got a big red flag on this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's what he does all the time. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| That's where... | ||
| I mean, the reason I started this podcast wasn't that, but the thing that keeps me going through it is that so much of it is that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's so much, like... | ||
| A small bit of reality. | ||
| That you're fucking up. | ||
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Yep. | |
| You're fucking up this... | ||
| Because I am offended by... | ||
| I'm offended by the idea that there are crimes against children. | ||
| I'm offended by the idea that Hollywood has this casting couch system that Alex has been complaining about for the last month because it's in vogue. | ||
| But I do think that's terrible. | ||
| And he's right. | ||
| The truth as a premise. | ||
| Then he leads to the drinking blood. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's the falsity. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's right about a ton of dumbass things. | ||
| Dumbass things. | ||
| Let's take that out of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he's right about a ton of kernels of stuff and then leads it into falsity. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He is like a warehouse, a depot, where it's just like truth becomes fiction. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And it's so crazy. | ||
| But also, sometimes... | ||
| He's an assembly line. | ||
| Sometimes fiction becomes fiction. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And sometimes fiction becomes truth. | ||
| I mean, he has been right about a few things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, he's right about, like, Osama bin Laden attacking the World Trade Center. | ||
| He's still alive in Argentina. | ||
| No, look, in 2001... | ||
| He's hanging out with Hitler. | ||
| In 2001, he did say that Osama bin Laden was going to attack the World Trade Center again. | ||
| And he was right about that. | ||
| But that's because that was obvious. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| If anybody was paying attention. | ||
| No, for sure. | ||
| But at the same time, we shouldn't take that away from him being right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| In the same way that if you had called that, I would give you credit for it. | ||
| Oh, I did call it. | ||
| But I would also say... | ||
| I was nine, but I called it. | ||
| I would give you credit for it and then stipulate, not that hard to figure out. | ||
| But he's also right about civil asset forfeiture. | ||
| He's right about marijuana laws, drug laws in general. | ||
| There's stuff where he's true to true. | ||
| The problem is when he's true to false. | ||
| 90% is that. | ||
| 90% is that. | ||
| I would say that a less amount of it is true to false and more of it is just false to false. | ||
| 60% is false to false. | ||
| No, because even if you go into that, it's true that the Las Vegas shooting happened. | ||
| And then... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| If that's your benchmark, though, for whether or not he's starting from a truth... | ||
| I mean, that's just... | ||
| In that case, what else are you going to do? | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| How else are you going to construct that argument? | ||
| Right. | ||
| The Las Vegas shooting happened. | ||
| It was a false flag. | ||
| There were helicopters. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, I see now what your root point is. | ||
| And I... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Alex is fucking... | ||
| He's disqualified from having any reasonable point. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It is fun for me to be like... | ||
| Or more illustrative. | ||
| Illustrative. | ||
| You did that to me the other day. | ||
| I was just latching out. | ||
| Of whenever it is he does get something that is relatively obscure. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Wherein neocons running Obama, that is something that is not a well-publicized version of Obama's presidency. | ||
| I think it's in the middle. | ||
| I think it's not totally publicized. | ||
| It's not obscure either, though. | ||
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I can see that. | |
| I think that's in the middle. | ||
| I think that's a conversation point that is out there. | ||
| It's an interesting question for the two of us, especially because we are... | ||
| Way too into this. | ||
| True. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like, if we were to go out and family feud the general public... | ||
| You mean Mark Dice it? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| If we were to Mark Dice some people? | ||
| If we were to Mark Dice some people. | ||
| I doubt the idea of neoconservative one would be anywhere near their general lexicon. | ||
| We could make a scathing video. | ||
| Be on Drudge. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We could do that. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Let's do that. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's not our style. | ||
| Let's get a Drudge link. | ||
| No. | ||
| He's not going to look into us. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| Let's just make a fucking fake propaganda video. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Let's talk about this after the show. | ||
| Dan, again, we are way too interested in giving neocons advice about how they should run things. | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, look, we got a couple more clips. | ||
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Okay. | |
| We got a couple more clips in this eight-hour-long episode. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex has another theory about the left, about liberals. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Shockingly, I disagree with it again. | ||
| Drinking blood? | ||
| I mean, the kleptocrats, the left that's allied with radical Islam and others, they've got such a hatred of the West that they really ought to think about what they're trying to destroy and what they're going to be involved in. | ||
| You people are front and center. | ||
| For radical Islam to take out. | ||
| But, you know, your parents were conservative or whatever, so they made you go to church, so you want to show them. | ||
| And it's really dirty. | ||
| It's really nasty. | ||
| Cuckolding to bring in folks to rape the women. | ||
| It's so cool. | ||
| I mean, it's... | ||
| Let me tell you, on the left, radical Islam is avant-garde. | ||
| They see women with hoods on their heads. | ||
| I mean, they get excited. | ||
| They think it's so cool. | ||
| I mean, they just... | ||
| Oh, it's so sexy. | ||
| Because they don't like their men. | ||
| How dare you wear pants? | ||
| I'd make the orders. | ||
| Oh my gosh, Shihadi, I love you. | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| I mean, it's sick. | ||
| So what do you think about that? | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
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What? | |
| What? | ||
| Huh? | ||
| What was he saying? | ||
| Not sure. | ||
| Not sure. | ||
| Honestly, not sure. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| If you want me to give you a recap, I can't. | ||
| So wait, are we, as a card-carrying, burn-it-all-to-the-ground liberal, Is he saying that we don't want our women to wear pants? | ||
| No, I think you're not supposed to wear pants. | ||
| I'm not supposed to wear pants. | ||
| If we're going from that clip, yes. | ||
| I think he's saying the men aren't supposed to wear pants. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because that works out sort of in terms of like colloquialisms. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like the man wears the pants. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| We don't want to do that. | ||
| I think that's what he's riffing on. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because the women not wearing pants, I don't understand how that would work. | ||
| Well, I mean, because especially since it is conservatives of his ilk who kept women from wearing pants for so long. | ||
| So, okay. | ||
| But now also we were raised conservative. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Your parents were trying to make you conservative. | ||
| They made you go to church. | ||
| Okay, so he's talking specifically to me. | ||
| You dumb, butthurt liberal. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You're cucked out, Islamic-loving liberal. | ||
| It's kind of sexy for me to cuck out Christendom. | ||
| I don't disagree. | ||
| That is kind of hot. | ||
| I strongly don't like this parody. | ||
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Like, nothing makes me want to fuck more than... | |
| Whatever it was he was talking about. | ||
| What was he talking about? | ||
| He's talking about... | ||
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Describe a human being who thinks like that. | |
| I don't think one exists. | ||
| Right? | ||
| But, again, it's that same kernel of something that leads to a fake thing. | ||
| There are definitely liberals who are liberal because they're reacting to their conservative parents. | ||
| And I'm not saying that's your case just because you had conservative parents. | ||
| Right. | ||
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That's not necessarily the case. | |
| But you have people who are the David Brock, David Horowitz types who grew up in confining political bubbles and then lashed out against that in their adult life. | ||
| That does exist, yes. | ||
| It's just this big narrative that he has about liberals love radical Islam because it's cucking out white people. | ||
| It's this idea. | ||
| Which we should get rid of the West. | ||
| I'm at a point now where it feels like you should, every time he says the West, you should have a voiceover come on. | ||
| White! | ||
| And then just move on. | ||
| Because it's like you're saying white people. | ||
| Just say white people. | ||
| That's what he means. | ||
| You know that's what you mean. | ||
| But male and Christian also. | ||
| Right, that's true. | ||
| It's not even like... | ||
| That's true. | ||
| It is subordination of the other, is what he's talking about. | ||
|
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Exactly. | |
| And even if you go back to any of the time when, like, we don't even have to unpack Make America Great Again or anything like that. | ||
| Although, I did read an interesting article the other day. | ||
| I think it was in Politico. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| But they did a study of... | ||
| I go back and forth on Politico. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| I go case by case. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the article was about the perceptions of when America was great. | ||
| And everybody just was talking about when they were younger. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It is just halcyon days. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| It's just the idea, the image of the past when things were simpler. | ||
| Because your memory destroys all of the horrific things that you lived through. | ||
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Totally. | |
| And you only deify the things that were nice. | ||
| You deify nostalgia. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| And all of you out there are cool. | ||
| Which, again, is why The Who are an overrated band, and that's where I get murdered. | ||
| They have a couple good songs. | ||
| But also, a lot of this could be dealt with if all of you would read some of the lesser works of H.P. Lovecraft. | ||
| That is a true fact that is stated all the time. | ||
| H.P. Lovecraft is most known for The Call of Cthulhu. | ||
| Maybe the case of Charles Dexter Ward. | ||
| That's not a great book of his. | ||
| Regular co-host Cthulhu. | ||
| I think H.P. Lovecraft is one of the most problematically racist. | ||
| But also great authors. | ||
| He's amazing. | ||
| He taps into something about the human condition and about terror and how fear works that most authors don't get. | ||
| And I don't like horror. | ||
| I don't like horror at all. | ||
| But I love the dynamic of his writing. | ||
| And I do cop to the fact that he's a fucking racist. | ||
| That he's a product of his times. | ||
| And if you look at him throughout his career, he softens in terms of... | ||
| Talking about mongoloids. | ||
| In one of his early books, he has a cat that's named the N-word. | ||
| Not a great name for a cat. | ||
| There's a lot of shit like that, but as he gets older... | ||
| Even if you are a racist, that's not a great name for a cat. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| But I only bring that up to take the piss... | ||
| Like Triton Nancy. | ||
| I take the piss out of him in as much as I love him. | ||
| I love his work. | ||
| They'll recognize he sucks. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| His lesser work, one of them, is The Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath. | ||
| And no one likes that book. | ||
| For good reason. | ||
| Just from a title standpoint, could have had a couple of rewrites. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I think it's perfect. | ||
| It's my favorite book of his. | ||
| I always have been more of a fan of the dream cycle that he did more than the Cthulhu cycle. | ||
| I always was more of a fan of the dream worlds that he described because if you read his letters, most of his work comes from... | ||
| Legit nightmares that he had. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And trying to deal with visions that he had. | ||
| Not like prophetic visions or anything like that. | ||
| He was a man who suffered from night terrors and he wrote them down. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And told people about them. | ||
| And we have records. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But one of the things that's really fascinating is the Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath is about this guy named Randolph Carter who's trying to get to the dream city. | ||
| Oh, Randy Karts? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's trying to get to the dream city of Kadath where the gods play. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And there's these. | ||
| These gold-steepled roofs, and it's perfect, and he wants to get there. | ||
| And it's this whole thing where, like, you can't go there! | ||
| You can't go there! | ||
| The gods play there, and it's forbidden for man to go there. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Goes through this whole fucking nonsense. | ||
| As usual. | ||
| There's a little bit of Wizard of Oz aspect to it. | ||
| He has to make alliances with various things. | ||
| And what the end comes to, spoiler alert, is he was dreaming of Providence. | ||
| He grew up in Providence, Rhode Island, and he was dreaming of his childhood home. | ||
| That's what his vision of Kadath was. | ||
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| He created this false vision in his head of what the dream city where the gods would play is. | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| And it is just what he had as a child. | ||
| Hold on one second. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Was Alex Jones actually raised in a small town named Prosperity? | ||
| No, but he might have been in... | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Well, then never mind. | ||
| I retract my argument! | ||
| If he was a little bit west, it could have been Truth and Consequences, New Mexico. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Fucking stupid ass. | ||
| Or it could have gone east, and it could have been Hope, Arkansas. | ||
| But, like, that is what people fall into. | ||
| And that's a piece of the human condition that H.P. Lovecraft nails in Dream Quest of Unknown Cadet, which is a... | ||
| Again, it's a chore to get through it. | ||
| It's a terrible book. | ||
| It's not terrible. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| It's an unreadable book. | ||
| The cats of Saturn do battle with the cats of Ulther, and it's great. | ||
| Now I'm way on board, because that's a great title. | ||
| And then the night gaunts come in. | ||
| Do you know about the night gaunts? | ||
| Back off board. | ||
| Night gaunts? | ||
| I get it. | ||
| They don't have faces, but they love to tickle. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I've played enough Final Fantasy to know what a great gaunt is. | ||
| The night gaunts love to tickle. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| All right. | ||
| That's got a very different growing up. | ||
| The tickling is terrifying in the context of the night gods. | ||
| No, I agree. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| The thing is, though, this is what is being triggered by these ideas of making America great again and hearkening back to nostalgia. | ||
| It is something that is so ingrained in each of us individually. | ||
| To come up with our own positive association to it, whereas the reality is not necessarily a positive thing. | ||
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Of course. | |
| The objective reality of going backward is not good, but each of us has a boner for that because of the simplicity and the wonder of us when we were children back then. | ||
| And just the lack of awareness. | ||
| It's very easy. | ||
| And if everybody read science fiction... | ||
| We'd be in a better place. | ||
| It's the dreams of men. | ||
| Unqualified truth. | ||
| Because you'd have these ideas that are proposed to you and you deal with... | ||
| I'm preaching to the choir. | ||
| Our listeners are good. | ||
| But most people would have more advantageous ideas in their head if they would just not succumb to easy tricks. | ||
| I mean, it's the classic rock conundrum. | ||
| There is no such thing as classic rock. | ||
| It's just the shit from a certain era that radio stations play so often. | ||
| It'll eventually be Linkin Park. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It doesn't exist. | ||
| When you first said the classic rock conundrum, I was like... | ||
| Oh, so two rocks go into a bar. | ||
| I was like, why did Rikishi hit so cold with a bar? | ||
| That doesn't make sense. | ||
| He said he did it for the rock. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| How dare you, Dan? | ||
| No, sir. | ||
| Also, what is he cooking? | ||
| Stir fry. | ||
| Stir fry. | ||
| So good. | ||
| So good. | ||
| Have you ever had the rock stir fry? | ||
| Just everything. | ||
| Unbelievable. | ||
| All the vegetables are cooked, but still crispy. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Incredible. | ||
| How do you put them in at the right time? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I've never been on Chopped, but I bet The Rock would win. | ||
| Undoubtedly. | ||
| So we have one more clip, Jordan. | ||
| We have one more clip. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| This has been a lot of nonsense. | ||
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This has been a delight. | |
| Anytime I get to expound on Lovecraft, I'm having a great time. | ||
| Your mood improves. | ||
| Unimaginably. | ||
| I legitimately maybe should be doing a podcast about H.P. Lovecraft. | ||
| You should maybe be H.P. Lovecraft. | ||
| I have night terrors. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| I do. | ||
| I've had them. | ||
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Yeah? | |
| Yeah, they're not great. | ||
| My buddy Nick has night terrors. | ||
| I don't know if he has recently, but back when we used to live together, he'd have night terrors and wake up screaming in the middle of the night. | ||
| Yeah, I've never had that. | ||
| You've never had sleep paralysis or anything like that? | ||
| I've had sleep paralysis, and I've woken up with jolts, that sort of thing. | ||
| But never to the point of like, ah! | ||
| Legitimately, he would scream. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And now I feel bad because he listens to the show. | ||
| But he knows. | ||
| Well, of course he does. | ||
| He's the one who had them. | ||
| We've talked about it on a podcast before. | ||
| I'm not putting his business on the streets. | ||
| He doesn't hate terrors. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Publicize it. | ||
| It seems terrifying. | ||
| I don't know what that experience is like. | ||
| I've also never had a wet dream, either. | ||
| I've never had a wet dream. | ||
| So I don't know what those things are like, but I've had lucid dreams before. | ||
| I've had sleep paralysis, for sure, where I've been awake. | ||
| Never had a lucid dream. | ||
| Every time I fall asleep, I am at the unwilling mercy of my own brain. | ||
| But have you ever had dreams where you're more conscious within them? | ||
| No. | ||
| I've lived an entire lifetime in a dream, multiple times, where it's like... | ||
| You wake up and you're like, holy shit, I do not have a wife. | ||
| What the fuck just happened there? | ||
| But other than that, no. | ||
| No lucid dreaming. | ||
| Why are you judging me as though I'm a lesser person right now? | ||
| I'm not. | ||
| I just don't know what to do with this information. | ||
| Like, even if people, like, the idea of, like, straight-up, total lucid dreams, or you're controlling everything, even most people still have dreams where they're more cognizant of the fact that it is a dream, even if they don't have control over it. | ||
| Never. | ||
| Like, going along with it. | ||
| So every time you have a dream, it's just like a pictograph, just like a movie playing in front of your eyes. | ||
| I don't remember most of my dreams. | ||
| Things still happen, though. | ||
| You just don't remember them. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| I just have no recollection of them. | ||
| It's a muscle you can work on. | ||
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It's possible. | |
| It's possible. | ||
| It could be all a dream. | ||
| I mean, we could be in a simulation. | ||
| How fucking boring would that be? | ||
| According to Cowboy Bebop, this is all a dream. | ||
| How sad would it be if this is a simulation and this is how we spend our time? | ||
| Statistically speaking, this is a simulation. | ||
| Talking about Alex Jones? | ||
| This is a simulation. | ||
| Drinking vodka and talking about Alex Jones is how we choose our time. | ||
| We are ones and zeros. | ||
| It is an unreasonable idea to think that this isn't a simulation. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I read Nick Bostrom. | ||
| Yeah, all right. | ||
| Makes sense. | ||
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All right. | |
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Mathematically, it does not work out that this is the real world. | ||
| Also, mathematically, why wouldn't we be talking about Alex Jones? | ||
| I got nothing better to do. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Well, I did buy a Switch. | ||
| Have you ever played The Sims? | ||
| Do you see what those people do? | ||
| None of them talk about Alex Jones at all! | ||
| They never start podcasts about Alex Jones! | ||
| Of course not! | ||
| Although that is... | ||
| Oh my god, that's gonna be the saddest thing that ever happens is when the next Sims game comes out and they're like, do you want your character to start a podcast? | ||
| Do you want your... | ||
| Do you or do you not think your Sim believes in the protocols? | ||
| That's going to be a branch. | ||
| That's a branching decision. | ||
| Do you know what we need to do? | ||
| Develop a game called Sim Larry Nichols. | ||
| You get to live Larry Nichols' life if Larry Nichols was telling the truth about his life. | ||
| Dude, that's a bummer. | ||
| Nah, it's not a bummer, Dad. | ||
| I've got a lot of information I can't give out on the air. | ||
| He's a bummer of a man. | ||
| We'll talk off-air. | ||
| So we have one more clip. | ||
| I teased this. | ||
| That Max Keiser comes on. | ||
| Another guest. | ||
| Who's Max Keiser? | ||
| He's the guy who has Max Coins. | ||
|
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Oh, okay. | |
| But most of the episode... | ||
| I halfway think he's the guy who wrote that book about women. | ||
| No. | ||
| That was Max Kellerman. | ||
| Tucker Max. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| Max Keiser, most of his appearance is just about Bitcoin being a decent... | ||
| Cryptocurrency. | ||
| Great idea. | ||
| Not MaxCoin. | ||
| Alex Jones, you do not like the Federal Reserve. | ||
| You hate fiat currency. | ||
| All that stuff. | ||
| Bitcoins work. | ||
| Right on top of it. | ||
| That's a lot of his argument. | ||
| Easy. | ||
| They get into gun stuff a little bit. | ||
| Doesn't make sense. | ||
| Why would you do that? | ||
| Well, Max Kaiser has a decent argument. | ||
| And this is a Mike Down clip because it's like two minutes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But also only because it's so like Alex Jones being a dick. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| And Max Kaiser being pretty reasonable. | ||
| And I want to hear, I want the audience to be able to hear the times that Max tries to rebut things and Alex cuts him off. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| It moves very fast. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So here's that. | ||
| Mike Down. | ||
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In the news. | |
| So let me ask you a question. | ||
| I know you follow the gun issue, obviously. | ||
| It's a big issue. | ||
| And I am always looking at this issue myself. | ||
| And so I want to ask you a question. | ||
| So what would happen? | ||
| And I haven't really thought through this. | ||
| I'm really genuinely curious what you would think of this idea. | ||
| You know, what would be the situation if gun owners were required to buy insurance to go with that gun? | ||
| So when you buy a gun, you need to buy insurance to go with that gun. | ||
| Similar to the way when you learn to get a car. | ||
| You need car insurance. | ||
| So the damage that's done, you know, by accidents, etc. | ||
| The power to tax is the power to destroy. | ||
| They're using Obamacare to take over the economy as a private tax corporation. | ||
| Next, it'll be a tax for a baseball bat or insurance for a knife. | ||
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But insurance is not a tax. | |
| It's a way to spread the cost of this. | ||
| No, the cost is 12,200 people dead a year on average max, and about 7,000 plus commit suicide, which is their right to do. | ||
| I don't support people killing themselves, but I get it. | ||
| You've got bone cancer or something, blow your head off. | ||
| I mean, I see it. | ||
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But, I mean, like, the folks, the government is coming down, and if I read Obama's... | |
| They want to disarm us to enslave us, brother. | ||
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They're going to put fingerprint sensors on the guns, right? | |
| Yep, that'll bankrupt all the old ones and make all the others illegal. | ||
| This is a plan to get the guns. | ||
|
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Right, okay. | |
| I have the mayor pro tem of Austin, who met with Bloomberg, admitting after they register, they confiscate, Max. | ||
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Okay, but after... | |
| There's no debate! | ||
| They want our guns! | ||
|
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But wouldn't it be in the interest of those supporting the gun lobby? | |
| No, no, no. | ||
| Compromising. | ||
| No, no, no gun laws. | ||
| None. | ||
| Let felons have guns. | ||
| Let everybody have them. | ||
| Because criminals are going to have them anyways. | ||
| Zero gun laws. | ||
| Zero. | ||
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Zero. | |
| So, especially on today of all days... | ||
| What a day! | ||
| When a gentleman who, I mean, all the information isn't out yet as we record this, but someone went into a church and killed 27 people. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| 27? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was 27? | ||
| That's the last report I saw. | ||
| The number might change, but yeah, that's the last report I saw. | ||
| Un-fucking-real. | ||
| On a day like that, I mean, I know we're going back into the past, but it's important to see the principles versus the reality. | ||
| And what Max Keiser is presenting is a reasonable middle ground. | ||
| Not a bad idea. | ||
| It's a reasonable middle ground. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| Look, people are pushing towards this. | ||
| Wouldn't it be in people who are strong gun advocates' best interest to protect their ability to have guns? | ||
| Insurance would make reasonable sense. | ||
| The idea behind it is, sooner or later, it will be enough. | ||
| When he's describing Obama, the drumbeat of... | ||
| When will enough be enough? | ||
| We all feel that. | ||
| Yeah, his point is sooner or later it has to be there will be enough is enough. | ||
| And none of us want to come to the point where it's draconian. | ||
| None of us want to come to the point where there's a fascist state taking guns. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like you and I, as dyed-in-the-wool liberals as we are, would be uncomfortable with that. | ||
| It would be a bad idea. | ||
| That would be scary as shit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You don't want a... | ||
| No. | ||
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Or a state government, to be fair. | |
| Especially not Kansas or India. | ||
| Any centralized authority doing something like that would be... | ||
| In the same way that we support all of the amendments, we support the Second Amendment. | ||
| Unfortunately. | ||
| Against God's will. | ||
| So his... | ||
| His idea makes way too much sense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| His idea is, gun owners, you don't want your guns taken away. | ||
| So rather than wait until they try and take them away and then have a fantastic shootout... | ||
| When none of us want that. | ||
| None of us want that. | ||
| Maybe instead be like, oh, okay, if you buy a gun, you also have to buy gun insurance. | ||
| And if any gun is used to hurt somebody, that money... | ||
| Ba-da-da. | ||
| Insurance. | ||
| Let's give... | ||
| Done and done. | ||
| Let's give a fucking real-world example of this. | ||
| Because I have said a couple times on this episode that I bought a Switch. | ||
| I bought a Nintendo Switch. | ||
| I bought a Nintendo Switch. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You did. | ||
| And in doing so... | ||
| And I shot it with a gun. | ||
| And in doing so, I had to trade in... | ||
| I didn't have to. | ||
| But I traded in my Wii U. Because I was like, I want some store credit in order to buy this. | ||
| In order to afford it appropriately. | ||
| Because otherwise it would be a crazy purchase. | ||
| Too much. | ||
| And so I went to the store and they said, cool. | ||
| They looked at the Wii U, they checked it out, made sure it played well. | ||
| I wasn't scamming them. | ||
| And then they asked for an ID. | ||
| And they ran the ID and they're like, oh, your ID is expired. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Your ID is expired. | ||
| You can't trade in a video game system for another video game system. | ||
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I probably could have bought a gun. | |
| Absolutely. | ||
| Easily. | ||
| At a gun show or something like that. | ||
| They just looked at the ID. | ||
| In the same way that I can still get into bars with an expired ID. | ||
| Could have gotten three to five guns. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And I'm not sure exactly what point I'm trying to make with this. | ||
| Maybe when trading in a video game system laws are more stringent than buying murder weapon laws, probably something going on there. | ||
| Yeah, I had to go and really work out a plan. | ||
| You had to text me? | ||
| Two other people. | ||
| I had to get on a goddamn bus. | ||
| We had to get on a bus that we weren't sure was coming because Broadway has gotten a lot of construction work on it. | ||
| So we spent a good hour and ten minutes together figuring out how it is you were going to get a fucking Nintendo Switch for $100 less than it cost. | ||
| Spoiler alert. | ||
| It was a situation where Jordan was the best friend in the world and he came through for me because... | ||
| He has a current ID, and mine has expired. | ||
| One thing they say about Jordan, his ID is always current. | ||
| These pawn shop laws that GameStop follows are confining. | ||
| And also the ban sublime. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Rest in peace, Lou Dog. | ||
| Nope, don't care. | ||
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I love how much of a loop that threw you in. | |
| Look, I just thought about Lou Dog. | ||
| It makes me sad. | ||
| Rest in peace, Lou Dog. | ||
| The thing that I keep coming back to is this idea that I don't care. | ||
| I mean, I was frustrated in the moment, but I get it. | ||
| I get why you have to have regulations in place of like... | ||
| Someone could have stolen this and traded it in. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| It's a piece of technology. | ||
| It's like a laptop or something like that. | ||
| At this point. | ||
| Back in the day, it was just a piece of plastic. | ||
| Like Nintendo. | ||
| But now these things are like multiple hundred dollars worth of... | ||
| It was frustrating in the moment, but I get it. | ||
| And the idea that I would lobby Congress or that I would be like, fuck you. | ||
| Video game trade-in rights are paramount. | ||
| And granted, no one dies because of this, this example that I'm using, but like it, it, it's so, it, it's so silly to me. | ||
| And then the other piece I want to take away from this is that Alex is like the Supreme Court decided that insurance is a tax. | ||
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Well, that's again just... | |
| No, but that's, again, just him not understanding the... | ||
| Burp. | ||
| Durst is here. | ||
| Burp. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
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Burp. | |
| Oh, no. | ||
| I'm going to end up in a garbage bag. | ||
| That's just him not understanding. | ||
| That was always the way this podcast was going to end, Dan. | ||
| Me cross-dressing and ending up in a garbage bag? | ||
| I assume both of us were going to end up in a garbage bag sooner or later. | ||
| So it's just him misrepresenting the Supreme Court's decision about Obamacare. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's not about Obamacare. | ||
| It's about the penalty. | ||
| It's about the penalty for not signing up with Obamacare. | ||
| The Supreme Court did decide that it is a tax. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's fine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So the argument that conservatives always make... | ||
| Is you can't legislate morality. | ||
| Which is, in a very, very simplistic way, a truth. | ||
| And at the same time, the dumbest fucking thing that you could possibly say, and if you say it, shut the fuck up forever. | ||
| Because in the same way that you and I, or that you tried to trade in a video game system, right? | ||
| Now that law is not really going to affect a ton of people. | ||
| Right? | ||
| If you have a legitimate ID, even if you stole that fucking system... | ||
| It's going to only make it traceable that this person stole the system. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Which is functional. | ||
| And who the fuck is going to follow up on it unless somebody says, my video game system was stolen. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, all of this is not legislating morality. | ||
| It is increasing... | ||
| Two or three steps away from it. | ||
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And guess what? | |
| And do you know what's crazy? | ||
| Every video game system has a tracking number on it. | ||
| I know! | ||
| And every single video game system that you have can be traced. | ||
| It's why they have serial numbers on cash. | ||
| They scanned them. | ||
| They scanned them when you trade them in or when you buy them. | ||
| If you buy them, they scan it. | ||
| I mean, it's not like, oh my god. | ||
| Big brother. | ||
| They know that I have this video game system, but if the records need to be pulled up, they can find out that I own a Switch. | ||
| They can, if need be. | ||
| And it's the same way if you have your phone stolen. | ||
| Find my iPhone. | ||
| Yeah, the whole thing. | ||
| It's not always evil. | ||
| There are things that are... | ||
| The simplest way of describing why you can't legislate morality as a stupid argument is the... | ||
| I can't remember which hill or bridge or whatever it is, but there was an area where hundreds of people committed suicide every year. | ||
| And all they did was they put up a fence. | ||
| And all of a sudden, the suicide rate dropped. | ||
| So fast. | ||
| Because that is not legislating morality or anything like that. | ||
| But for a lot of people, if you just make something annoying... | ||
| It's logistics. | ||
| They won't do it. | ||
| You want to jump off that bridge, but you don't want to be seen climbing over that fence. | ||
| There's a certain part of human psychology that is just like, that seems like a lot of work. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That's really all it is. | ||
| That's really all taxes wind up being. | ||
| We all want roads. | ||
| We want all of this shit. | ||
| But there's a certain point of like the soda tax in Chicago. | ||
| I think it was a good idea. | ||
| And I think it should have worked fine. | ||
| People bitched about it. | ||
| I'm 50-50 on it. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I'm right there with you. | ||
| Because I did work at a distributor when it was going down. | ||
| The dynamics of it in terms of wholesale are really problematic. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| To the consumer, I don't think it's that bad. | ||
| Because whenever I would buy soda, I do think that it's fucked up that it applied to seltzer. | ||
| That's fucked up. | ||
| That is fucked up. | ||
| But at the same time... | ||
| But that's just a poorly written law. | ||
| That's not like... | ||
| That's not like, we were always going after big seltzer. | ||
| It was just they weren't paying attention. | ||
| When it comes down to wholesalers and how it will screw their business, I think there's a legitimate argument. | ||
| But in terms of the consumer paying a couple cents more per... | ||
| A cent more an ounce for sugary beverages, I don't think that's legislating morality. | ||
| I think that does come into... | ||
| And I don't want to be this dick because... | ||
| I drink soda and I drink beer and what have you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| If you charged me more for it because of the burden that we all collectively add into the health system, that makes sense. | ||
| I accept that. | ||
| You and I pay how much more for cigarettes than people in Missouri? | ||
| At least twice as much. | ||
| Yeah, at least. | ||
| At least twice as much. | ||
| And do you know what? | ||
| I'm fucking fine with that. | ||
| I'm not happy, but I accept it. | ||
| I'm super not happy about it, but I get it. | ||
| And it makes sense. | ||
| It does. | ||
| I hope all that money goes to the right places, but that's another conversation. | ||
| It does not. | ||
| That's another conversation. | ||
| But that's not the point. | ||
| As an ideal of like, look. | ||
| If you're going to make decisions that burden everybody else more, you should, of course, pay more to burden other people in order to lighten that burden for other people. | ||
| It's polite. | ||
| Taxes are politeness. | ||
| And now the flip side of that is you see this out of European countries a lot. | ||
| People with the perspective of, I know that my taxes are higher. | ||
| Because more of it goes towards protecting people who need help, and I don't care. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| That's right where I live. | ||
| I don't really give a shit. | ||
| If I have to pay more, and I'm not saying that as, like, I'm a good person. | ||
| It just seems like how a society should operate. | ||
| Think of it really, really simply. | ||
| Like, the most simple form of that, we live in Chicago. | ||
| Imagine you paid 10% more of your income in taxes, and you never saw another homeless person. | ||
| Well, no, because that makes it seem like the impetus is never seeing homeless people. | ||
| But that is my point. | ||
| If your motivation is, I don't want to see homeless people, then fuck you. | ||
| But I don't care what your motivation is. | ||
| If you're willing... | ||
| Look, we can get into ethical arguments about... | ||
| Determination anytime you want. | ||
| Now we're back to Cotton Kierkegaard. | ||
| There we are. | ||
| Dana Jordan, the new Cotton Kierkegaard, is the least watched show on TV. | ||
| But the point being, if that's the motivation that you really have, which it seems like for a lot of people who are anti-tax, it's always about, well, it's not going towards what I want it to go towards. | ||
| If you're so craven and so miserable that all you really want is like, I'm mad that I have to walk by 30 fucking homeless people every day, fine. | ||
| Pay 10% more in taxes and you'll never have to do that again. | ||
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So are taxes bad? | |
| Like, what are you talking about? | ||
| The better version of that, when you started this allegory or this sort of thought experiment I would have gone with, is you pay 10% more in taxes and then everyone gets a good education. | ||
| That's what I would have gone with. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| But your point remains the same. | ||
| But that's not how people think. | ||
| No, but your point remains the same. | ||
| How many people bitch about property taxes? | ||
| How many people bitch about property taxes even though they know it goes towards schools? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, how insane is that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know that this goes towards only helping your own children. | ||
| Your own neighborhood. | ||
| And the children of others, and you're still like, oh, I don't want to pay 8% in property taxes. | ||
| No one complains about the lottery. | ||
| Yeah, no kidding. | ||
| The only complaint about the people who are dumb enough to... | ||
| Famously described as a tax on the dumb. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And that's the only... | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| Don't ask me. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| I'm not a good person to ask in this regard. | ||
| We've spun way out of control. | ||
| But the point I wanted to make about this tax Supreme Court thing is that the penalty for not signing up for Obamacare... | ||
| Is covered under the Commerce Clause. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's maybe definable as a tax, but it's entirely justified. | ||
| It's the only thing that makes sense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because why would you... | ||
| But look, the whole point of the... | ||
| Yeah, yeah, continue. | ||
| It's a specific thing that Alex is calling out, that insurance is a tax. | ||
| And that's not true. | ||
| It's true in the case of this. | ||
| Specific Supreme Court decision, which is about the penalty for not signing up for Obamacare, that they determined it was largely definable as a tax. | ||
| Insurance itself is not a tax. | ||
| Car insurance isn't a tax. | ||
| Your health care, if you have insurance outside of Obamacare or inside of Obamacare, isn't a tax. | ||
| Other insurance is home insurance, renter's insurance. | ||
| That's not a tax. | ||
| Do you know what they are? | ||
| Tax is not... | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| Insurance is not tax. | ||
| So Alex making that argument as a shut up, Max Keiser, with the gun shit, that's not... | ||
| His argument falls apart. | ||
| Furthermore, insurance itself is a socialist concept. | ||
| The idea of insurance is you are subsidizing people who need help. | ||
| It is the larger group of people. | ||
| Almost everything about society is a slight socialist concept. | ||
| The more insane idea is that you are mad about gun insurance and not about health insurance. | ||
| You're paying money for a profiting company to get money from you when you could just be paying the government a smaller amount in order to make sure that this happens. | ||
| Sovereignty. | ||
| Pre-existing condition bullshit or any number of Byzantine laws to keep them from getting the benefit that they themselves have paid into this entire time. | ||
| You're like, oh, it's a tax. | ||
| Prosperity. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Prosperity. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Sovereignty, prosperity. | ||
| People just don't even understand what socialism means. | ||
| You know what we should just say is Alex is into the sovereignty gospel. | ||
| Because he does that like, you know, like he talks about the glitter bug churches. | ||
| And that's the... | ||
| That's the prosperity gospel. | ||
| And his idea is, instead of donating money to a church to get your own money, donate money to me. | ||
| He's even said tithe to Infowars before. | ||
| He's just this sovereignty preacher. | ||
| That is a good way of putting it. | ||
| To a certain extent, just this week... | ||
| I know that this sounds crazy, because it's been 11 months. | ||
| I'm excited whenever you start a sentence with, it sounds crazy. | ||
| But just this week, it kind of dawned on me how one-to-one it is. | ||
| Just the, you flatter him, and it works out. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He loves you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And what made it so clear is this shit with the Nation of Islam. | ||
| Because for the last 11 months that we've been going through this, he's been screaming about... | ||
| The Nation of Islam. | ||
| And he hates them. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| He hates them. | ||
| He thinks that they just think that white people are baby military manufacturing systems. | ||
| They want the white people to cuck them out, etc. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And he goes in and they pretend that they like him. | ||
| And he's like, fuck, they're in. | ||
| They make a lot of sense. | ||
| They're the best. | ||
| I don't agree with everything they say, but they make a lot of sense. | ||
| It dawns on me that, like... | ||
| I don't know why we're doing this podcast. | ||
| Edit this part. | ||
| Edit this part out. | ||
| That's what dawns on me. | ||
| No, like, it does. | ||
| It does dawn on me that, like, this guy is so simple. | ||
| We're making this very complicated. | ||
| And he is more complicated than that. | ||
| But, like, because of his... | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Soft stance on Hitler. | ||
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Right. | |
| There are those things that are like... | ||
| I still don't like the idea that there is a soft stance on Hitler. | ||
| Well, there are those things that are worth discussing, and certainly. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But at the same time, I think I said this in maybe one of the first episodes we did, it's like, so much of this I could have just assumed. | ||
| I think what we're doing... | ||
| Everyone out there who hates him is right, but they're not right for the right reasons. | ||
| And everyone out there who hates him generally hasn't listened to him, and they hate him for the wrong reasons. | ||
| It's so complicated. | ||
| There's this thread. | ||
| I sincerely believe that... | ||
| I mean, our society will fall. | ||
| In one day or another. | ||
| Historically speaking, it has to happen. | ||
| It will. | ||
| And I think that one of the most interesting things will be the millions of people who were led astray by nothing. | ||
| Just nothing. | ||
| And he's not the first example of that. | ||
| Not even close. | ||
| There were con men. | ||
| There were P.T. Barnums a long time ago. | ||
| And it's just... | ||
| We have the advantage of all of it being recorded. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And all of it is available. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You can take him to task. | ||
| Like, back in the day, like, P.T. Barnum, again, just because I just said him, like, he wasn't on tape when he said the shit he said. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| We just get the advantage of, like, it's there. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, ultimately, based on our relationship, as much as I love all of you policy wonks out there, we're doing this for posterity. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| It's a mix. | ||
| It is one of those things where... | ||
| We're not catching on. | ||
| There's no doubt about that. | ||
| We're not hitting the zeitgeist. | ||
| But at the same time, there is certainly a section of the world that is interested in... | ||
| Analysis of this. | ||
| Well, it is just... | ||
| This might be an off-air conversation. | ||
| It is possible. | ||
| There's so many things where you can take a very, very specific subject, and by looking at that subject, you can extrapolate the world. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And this is what I see our podcast as. | ||
| I just taught you all about H.P. Lovecraft. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Through this tiny little box. | ||
| It's a prism. | ||
| Through the tiny little box, we can see the world. | ||
| And it becomes so much clearer when you have this kind of small... | ||
| Like, it's... | ||
| Alright, I'm going to be super lame. | ||
| Alright, I want you to do that. | ||
| But before you do that, I want to say, to respond to what you were saying. | ||
| I'm interested in truth. | ||
| I'm super interested in truth. | ||
| As evidenced by all my... | ||
| Pedantic conversations about logic. | ||
| Now, all of our listeners disagree with you. | ||
| They think you'd never believe in truth. | ||
| I'm super interested in what's real. | ||
| And the best way, I think, to discuss that is talking about someone who's totally full of shit. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| Because you have these, like... | ||
| The juxtaposition. | ||
| Well, like, and... | ||
| I mean, where Alex is right again, the kernel of right that leads to falsity, is like, the media sucks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, you have all this stuff on social media, on Twitter, on Facebook, all these stories that are not true, that just pander to whatever your pre-existing condition is or what your mentality is. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, there were so many things about, like, trying to rebut the Donna Brazile stuff. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That were not true. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Fucking kill me. | ||
| There was so much stuff. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| And you and I sitting around trying to do a progressive show would be a disaster. | ||
| Because if we tried to just like... | ||
| Oh, do you mean if we tried to do an analog of Alex's show as progressives? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| If we tried to do a news show, it would be a disaster. | ||
| Oh, you and I? | ||
| No, because everything moves so goddamn fast. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| It'd be like, what do we cover? | ||
| And we'd get tricked by things, probably. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, you have the immediacy of needing to do the show. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Whereas... | ||
| There's a certain economic output. | ||
| We have an anchor of a complete liar. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you can find truth from pinging off that liar. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And sometimes they're not lying. | ||
| It's very rare. | ||
| But sometimes they're not lying. | ||
| But the other times, you get to see what is their presentation, look into it, find the truth. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that, to me, is a much better... | ||
| That's what the news maybe needs to become, is essentially debunking bullshit. | ||
| And there are two truths I think we can draw from this podcast. | ||
| First, poor Eddie Bravo, that idiot. | ||
| Such a sweet man. | ||
| Such a stupid man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He doesn't believe in dinosaurs. | ||
| Second, you can follow us on at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| Oh, Jordan's trying to end the show. | ||
| Oh, there it is. | ||
| Yeah, you can go to our website, knowledgefight.com. | ||
| You can go to iTunes. | ||
| You can download our podcast. | ||
| You can leave a review. | ||
| You can do all kinds of fun things. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| We're on Facebook. | ||
| We are on Facebook. | ||
| And then I think the ultimate second truth that I was getting towards was that, unlike Eddie Bravo, a poor, sweet, innocent idiot, fooled by this complicated world. | ||
| Strongly disagree with wherever you're going. | ||
| This poor fool. | ||
| Strongly disagree with this. | ||
| Who has no chance of surviving in this life. | ||
| Unlike him, there are evil men. | ||
| Oh, oh, oh. | ||
| Now I'm back. | ||
| There are bearded evil men. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| There are men... | ||
| I thought you were trying to present the bearded guy as a fucking sympathetic figure. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| I misunderstood. | ||
| I said unlike poor Eddie Bravo. | ||
| Anyways. | ||
| I... | ||
| I accept your apology, even though it is tacitly not given. | ||
| I misheard you. | ||
| There are these men who just... | ||
| They refuse to hang up pictures. | ||
| Who just, when they were young, had all of their teeth removed and replaced by a CIA dentist. | ||
| Insist on counseling Owen Troyer through existential crisis. | ||
| Oh, they've given so many Owen Troyer's vaccines and then deny that vaccines work. | ||
| This is one of the clean vaccines. | ||
| Oh, exactly. | ||
| Because it rhymes. | ||
| There's a kernel of truth to it. | ||
| And I'll tell you about this guy. | ||
| I'll tell you, Dan. | ||
| John Rappaport can go fuck himself. | ||
| In this case, I agree. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |