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Oct. 25, 2017 - Knowledge Fight
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#96: October 22-23, 2017

Today, Dan tells Jordan all about what happened on the Oct. 22nd and 23rd episodes of The Alex Jones Show. Come! Behold as Alex Jones lies his ass off in the middle of a special report about the media lying! Behold Dan embarrassing himself by thinking a non-Rush song is Rush! Behold Alex accidentally revealing that he doesn't read any of the articles he talks about on the show!

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alex jones
15:46
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dan friesen
49:00
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jordan holmes
26:19
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alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Alex, I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We are a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alexander Emmerich Jones.
jordan holmes
That's pretty much what we do.
dan friesen
That is all we do.
jordan holmes
We're the only people who know his full name at this point.
dan friesen
Well, maybe his mama who threw him off her knee at the age of six and told him not to be a mama's boy.
jordan holmes
Can we confirm she is who she says she is?
dan friesen
I can't.
It's like Jim Semivan.
jordan holmes
See, there we go.
dan friesen
There's some talk.
jordan holmes
False flag.
Alex was never born.
dan friesen
I have no evidence that he was.
I've not seen his long-form birth certificate.
jordan holmes
There we go.
We're Alex Jones birthers now.
That's what we're going to do.
dan friesen
I think he wasn't born in Dallas.
He was born in Los Angeles.
He's a trendy, liberal, coastal elite.
And he's just pretending that he's a good old boy from...
I don't know.
Who cares?
jordan holmes
I was going to go with South Africa.
That's his accent to me.
dan friesen
He does say that his genealogy is from Wales.
He has said that in the past.
Irrelevant.
Doesn't matter.
I know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
As evidenced by me knowing that he's Welsh.
Or pretend Welsh, perhaps.
jordan holmes
You can't be Southern royalty if you're from Wales.
dan friesen
Probably not.
jordan holmes
You have too many...
Consonance in your words.
dan friesen
But he is the descendant of people.
He's gone on long rants about how his relatives were on the Mayflower and also founded the country of Texas.
Bullshit.
jordan holmes
Founded the country?
Okay.
dan friesen
And he's related to the Tudors and all sorts of other folks.
jordan holmes
Cleopatra, fine.
Whatever.
dan friesen
He has a lot of big brags.
Today, Jordan, we're going to be going over something that happened on the Sunday show this week, on the 22nd.
Yes.
unidentified
And then dealing with a little bit of business from the 23rd, the Monday show.
dan friesen
But before we do, we got a number of wonks to thank out there.
We put out the call that we need your help because I'm not going to have a job pretty soon.
And some people stepped up to the bat, and I really appreciate it.
I want to give a shout-out to these folks.
So first of all, I realize I already did this on one of the live shows.
I'm going to redo a couple so they live on in infamy.
jordan holmes
This one's going on the show.
dan friesen
This is dead already in the water.
jordan holmes
We'll do this next week.
dan friesen
So I'd like to give you a very special foreign policy wonk shout-out to Maria.
She upped her donation to a level that actually embarrasses me, and she needs to get in touch with me.
Send me an email and tell me what we can do for you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we're going to give you all the buttons.
dan friesen
But for now, this is what we got.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
dan friesen
Also, thank you to David out there.
We really appreciate you bumping up your donation and becoming a foreign policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Four stars.
unidentified
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Never not going to be funny.
dan friesen
We really appreciate it.
Also, another foreign policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Oh, Jesus Christ, we love you.
dan friesen
Love to give a shout out to Adam W. Thank you so much.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
dan friesen
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
unidentified
Also...
I could just play that over and over.
jordan holmes
Look, we're going to have to do an episode that is just one and a half hours of go home and tell your mother.
dan friesen
You're brilliant.
Also, one more foreign policy wonk.
I'd like to give a shout out to our boy Jeff Wood out there.
Thank you so much.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
dan friesen
Great.
We really appreciate it.
And, you know, if you'd like to support the show, it means a lot.
And like I said, I'm going to be on the skin of my teeth surviving doing this show and hustling real hard.
And if you'd like to support us...
We do appreciate it.
You can go to, I was going to say, foreignpolicywonk.com.
jordan holmes
We need to buy the domain for foreignpolicywonk.com.
unidentified
We do.
jordan holmes
Come on, what are we doing?
dan friesen
We're fucking lazy.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
If you go to knowledgefight.com and click support the show, you can become a policy wonk yourself, and we would appreciate it.
jordan holmes
Yes, please.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, we've got some business to take care of before we get into the show proper.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Last night, I did watch Tables, Ladders, and Chairs.
Right.
It was a hot mess.
That's my review.
jordan holmes
That was your assessment pre-show as well as post-show?
dan friesen
Everyone getting mumps and not being able to perform.
And yeah, it was weird.
It was weird.
Largely unsatisfying.
That's my review.
jordan holmes
I do have some business to take care of.
Okay.
Tattoo sucks.
dan friesen
That was actually my second piece of business.
I wanted to get to...
Tattoo came up on a random mix I was listening to today on Spotify.
I was like, fuck yeah, Tattoo.
And I started listening to a bunch more Tattoo.
And I realized...
jordan holmes
There's a theme.
There's no possible through line that you can draw that would suggest that they are not a terrible, terrible popular.
dan friesen
There's a strong theme to tattoo that I think people don't do enough of a job discussing.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
All of their songs are about how much these two gals love each other, right?
jordan holmes
And they are fake lesbians.
dan friesen
Fine.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
They're playing a role, whatever.
I don't really care.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The thing is...
They love each other, and all of their damn songs are about how they have to run away.
And it's not because they love each other and they want to elope, it's because they're Russian.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I don't think people talked about that enough.
The fact that it's like, oh, the subtext of all these songs are...
jordan holmes
The Russians will kill you.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, that's a good point.
dan friesen
It's actually a heavy political sentiment masked in this fake lesbian pop duo.
unidentified
I...
jordan holmes
yeah.
Yeah, also they killed Kennedy.
Isn't that true?
That's true.
dan friesen
No, that was Ted Cruz's dad.
jordan holmes
Look, Trump is about to do one good thing, and that's release the Kennedy documents.
dan friesen
Hold on to that thought.
It's going to come up.
jordan holmes
Guarantee Tattoo did it.
dan friesen
It's going to come up in the episode today, so hold on to your JFK thoughts.
jordan holmes
Look, if the Russians released the Pez, that means they're capable of anything, and that means...
Tattoo killed Kennedy.
dan friesen
Probably.
So, Jordan, let's jump into this.
We're going to start with Sunday.
We're going to start with Sunday's episode.
It was kind of boring, and Alex is on a bullshit narrative where this guy, this YouTuber, released a video that he shot out the window of a hotel of a bunch of ambulances at the Hooters near I am already against all of this.
And the reality is, if you look into it, that there wasn't a shooting at Hooters.
I've pulled up an article here from the Boston.
jordan holmes
And that guy has a camera on that Hooters all the time.
dan friesen
Probably.
Good people coming off shift.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
This is from the Baltimore Post Examiner.
Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department officials or officers who were inside the concert venue when the shooting was occurring started to direct concert goers, some who were shot, out of the venue eastbound to Hooters.
That's what you do when you have an active shooter incident.
You get everyone who can walk or crawl out of the immediate area where the gunshots are being targeted.
Rescue units were on scene at Hooters, placing the wounded inside ambulances.
That's why there were emergency medical personnel placing the wounded and injured inside the rescue units who were staging at Hooters.
You can clearly hear the Las Vegas Police Department radio traffic from the night of the shooting when one officer tells the dispatcher, Control 3 Mary 9, I'm at the center with other officers here.
We got a lot of wounded.
We're sending them towards the Reno side, towards Hooters, and in parentheses, out of harm's way.
There's also a dealer.
jordan holmes
Goddammit.
Every reasonable emergency plan is turned into a conspiracy theory.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Also, because the Hooters is also like a, you know, everything's a casino in Las Vegas.
Yeah.
unidentified
There was a dealer who was working that night at Hooters, and he went on the Nevada Public Radio on October 2nd and said that you could hear gunshots outside and people were coming into the casino who were shot and wounded.
dan friesen
The dealer stated there were bodies in front of the casino that were just laying there, people who ran away from the venue.
who died on the street.
jordan holmes
Jesus fucking Christ.
dan friesen
The emergency medical personnel and police did an outstanding job that night placing their own lives in jeopardy to get people away from the gunfire.
So Alex Jones'narrative about it is just completely blinded.
Bogus, and he's misrepresenting an article.
He's just misrepresenting a YouTube video that someone posted with no information.
jordan holmes
So...
I think my favorite part of the Las Vegas shooting is how quickly we've all forgotten about it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And we're not talking about it, and it's about time that a mass shooter goes into the NRA offices.
dan friesen
Hey, come on, man.
jordan holmes
Come on.
dan friesen
I don't disagree with your sentiment.
I don't disagree with the sentiment, but also, no.
Come on.
Actually, I do disagree with the sentiment.
I don't want shootings.
jordan holmes
I mean, look, there are innocent people that are not directing all of this, but for once, we need to start killing the guilty people.
dan friesen
I disagree with the agency of that.
You know what I'm saying?
jordan holmes
I understand.
dan friesen
I think that there are people who are cloistered from the effects of these things who are heartless because of it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And maybe if they weren't, they wouldn't be so heartless.
But at the same time, I, and I don't want you to fucking call me centrist because of this, I in no way encourage shootings towards people who are cloistered.
jordan holmes
Okay, in this regard, I don't think...
Not wishing death on people is a centrist position.
dan friesen
You're making it seem like it.
unidentified
No, no.
jordan holmes
I think that's a human position.
And I think I've proven myself the only person willing to get down in the mud and actually solve fucking problems.
dan friesen
That's why this dynamic works.
jordan holmes
I'm no longer progressive.
I am an assassin, I guess.
dan friesen
Oh, Jesus.
jordan holmes
What are we supposed to do?
What are we supposed to do?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't think there's any good outcome.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But anyway, that's the bullshit that Alex is spinning on that episode on Sunday.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's just...
There's going to be another one.
unidentified
Of course.
jordan holmes
There's going to be another one.
dan friesen
There always is.
jordan holmes
And we're not going to do anything about that.
And then there's going to be another one after that.
And we're not going to do anything about that.
dan friesen
And Alex will insist it's ISIS and Antifa also.
jordan holmes
Of course.
Of course.
How do we actually solve the problem?
Because of all of the...
dan friesen
It's not advocating shootings at NRA offices.
That is not how you solve the problem.
jordan holmes
Now, you are correct, and I agree with you.
dan friesen
Great.
I'm glad we've come to that.
unidentified
Full stop.
dan friesen
Because otherwise, this podcast was going to get shelved, and we'd have to give more foreign policy shout-outs on the next one.
Jordan, I need you to calm down.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
You just brought up Las...
dan friesen
You came out of the gate hot.
jordan holmes
I know.
You brought up Las Vegas, and there's just...
unidentified
I didn't.
dan friesen
Alex did.
I was just debunking something he said.
jordan holmes
That's true.
It's just hard for me to just...
There's so many ongoing things that nobody's doing.
Like Puerto Rico.
We've all forgotten about Puerto Rico.
Houston!
Houston, we still have issues there.
Florida is still going to be in trouble.
FEMA is not going to get enough funds.
Nobody is doing anything about this shit.
And there's nothing we really can do.
We're all fucking helpless.
And so the sentiment of wanting extreme action...
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
I will no longer...
unidentified
Good save.
jordan holmes
I will no longer...
Is, I think, understandable, and I don't agree with that position.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
However, I do hope for understanding.
dan friesen
I would like to play the role of Barry Manilow and say, let's get on with it.
jordan holmes
God damn it!
dan friesen
Let's get on to the episode.
unidentified
All right, let's do it.
dan friesen
On Sunday, also, he says that Alex gets into the JFK stuff, but that'll come up later, and we'll discuss it then.
He's full of a bunch of bullshit.
But at the end of the episode, he plays a special report, because I guess he just didn't want to do the whole show.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
So he plays a special report, and we're going to break down some of the goings-on, as it were, in this special report.
jordan holmes
Some strange goings-on.
dan friesen
It's not strange, but I think Alex accidentally exposes himself a little bit.
He actually, he's trying to point out how much the media lies and spins things, but in the process, he does...
Of course.
Horrendous spinning.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And so I want to just break this down and get to the bottom of what he's doing.
So here we go.
alex jones
One of the most important things we do here at InfoWars is break down to the viewers and listeners.
How the mass media manipulates, how they deceive.
We take you behind the scenes and basically show you the hat trick that the magician is using so that we can basically alert the public so they're aware of these scams so the fake news media cannot continue to get away with it over and over and over again.
And a great example of this was just last week.
A wonderful, though sad, opportunity to expose what they're up to.
President Trump making phone calls to the wives and to the widows and family members of soldiers and others that had recently died in the armed services of this country and service to this nation.
And a congresswoman, Frederica Wilson, reportedly listened in to one of the phone calls of one of her constituents and then misrepresented what Trump had done, so that he was very cavalier, that he was very flippant.
Well, he asked for it.
So this is what he got.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that doesn't sound like him at all.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Never would have believed that without her fucking say-so.
dan friesen
No, so already we have some lies.
We already have some problems in what Alex Jones is spitting.
alex jones
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Got a little something in my throat.
The first of which is the idea that Congresswoman Wilson...
Was secretly or clandestinely listening in on a phone call.
jordan holmes
She was in the car.
dan friesen
Yeah, because she's family friends with the people who Trump was calling.
jordan holmes
They were in the car together.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Not really a clandestine thing if you...
dan friesen
No, it's not secret.
It's not sneaky.
It's not anything of the sort.
He's just misrepresenting that entirely.
And then he's not telling the story.
He's not explaining what actually happened.
You know what I'm saying?
Sorry, I got something in my throat.
You're going to have to talk for a second.
jordan holmes
You should take a drink.
Dead air.
Fuck you.
Look, I gotta leave you hanging from time to time.
unidentified
I gotta make sure everybody knows you're fallible.
dan friesen
You come in here advocating for shooting.
jordan holmes
Let's not rehash that.
dan friesen
And then you fucking shiv me.
jordan holmes
I say a lot of things.
dan friesen
You do.
You do.
jordan holmes
Many ill-advised.
dan friesen
The reality of what happened was that Frederica Wilson, the congresswoman, Overheard this call because she was in the car very innocently.
And then she said her comment on it was that it was insensitive.
And that whenever you are calling someone whose family member has died, the message should just be that they were a hero and this is a tragedy.
jordan holmes
My condolences.
dan friesen
We're sorry for your loss.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
But our president is so fucking stupid and so fucking awful, he's incapable of even basic empathy.
That's because he is a legitimate psychopath.
I think we really need to accept that our president is a serial killer.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Trump's reaction to that was lashing out at her, and then John Kelly came out and gave a speech.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's a piece of shit, too.
dan friesen
Yeah, he comported himself pretty poorly.
He gave a speech wherein he...
First of all, made a bunch of really vague references to society being better in the past and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Fuck him.
dan friesen
Not wanting to politicize soldiers' deaths, which in theory I agree with, but in practice that's not what's...
And this conversation is not...
jordan holmes
A soldier's death is inherently political.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Fucking unreasonable.
dan friesen
So then he goes on to explain that he was at a speech that she gave at an FBI building naming or unveiling and what have you.
jordan holmes
John Kelly was at a speech that Wilson gave.
dan friesen
Yes.
And his comments were that Comey came out and gave a wonderful speech and then she got up and said that...
You know, she had just called Obama and got all the money for the building to be made, and he thought it was disgraceful.
jordan holmes
Because he doesn't understand where money comes from?
dan friesen
No, but the idea of, like, I got the money to get this made, and that's the narrative Alex Jones has been pitching.
Okay.
jordan holmes
So she's taking credit for it as opposed to some sort of magical...
Just the goodness of people's hearts?
Or the necessity of the situation?
Or that the FBI earned it or something?
dan friesen
Well, he was straight up lying.
Because a video of that speech has come out.
jordan holmes
Oh, who would have guessed?
dan friesen
And what she's saying, I'll just read from a transcript here.
The ribbon-cutting has been scheduled in four weeks, Wilson recalled being told.
The dedication is on the government's calendar and cannot be changed.
One problem, the FBI wants to name this gorgeous edifice at the same time, in four weeks.
Everyone said that's impossible.
It takes at least eight months to a year to complete the process, through the House, the Senate, and to the President's office.
I said, I'm a school principal.
And I said, excuse my French?
Oh, hell no.
We're going to get this done.
Immediately, I went into attack mode.
I went to the Speaker, Speaker Boehner, and said, Mr. Speaker...
The FBI needs your help, and the country needs your help, and we have no time to waste.
Boehner went into attack mode, and in two days pulled it out of committee, brought it to the floor for a vote.
And she goes on to cite that Marco Rubio was very helpful and that there was bipartisanship effort that ended up getting this done in a way that no one thought could be done.
We collaborated and got this building named after the FBI agents who had been killed.
And does not talk about how she ended up getting all the funding for the building or anything like that.
jordan holmes
So what she did was give a speech praising government actually working.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That is...
Unacceptable, Dan.
dan friesen
So at that point, Trump started lashing out some more and called her wacky.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
And that the MSM is believing her and she's full of shit.
And then the other day it came out that Myesha Johnson, the lady in question who received the call from Donald Trump, she came out, and I'll just read from this Time magazine article about her.
The widow of a U.S. soldier who recently died in combat in Niger remembered her late husband as a hero and confirmed in a new interview Monday.
Myesha Johnson, who was married to fallen Army Sergeant LaDavid Johnson, told Good Morning America that her phone call with Trump made her, quote, cry even more because she said Trump apparently did not remember her husband's name until he had military papers in front of him.
Quote, the president said that he knew what he signed up for, but it hurts anyway.
Myesha Johnson said of LaDavid Johnson, her high school sweetheart, quote, It made me cry because I was very angry at the tone of his voice and how he said he couldn't remember my husband's name.
So that's probably more the issue.
jordan holmes
You know...
dan friesen
The way, quote, quote, the way he remembered my husband's name is because he told me he had my husband's report in front of him, and that's when he actually said La David, she added.
I heard him stumbling on trying to remember my husband's name, and that's what hurt me the most, because if my husband is out here fighting for our country, and he risked his life for our country, why can't you remember his name?
And that's what made me upset and cry even more, because my husband was an awesome soldier.
She goes on to say, like, why the fuck would I make this up?
I mean, not in those words.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
So it is all a lie.
Everything is a lie.
jordan holmes
I don't understand why this is a story.
I really don't.
Look, it's awful.
But what did you think was going to happen?
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
And if it did happen well, it would be insincere.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
There's no way that that call would have meant anything, no matter what.
It is a meaningless call, and of course it was something that he used to hurt somebody still further, because he's a fucking lunatic.
dan friesen
It's cruelty.
jordan holmes
And I get that somehow, because our attention spans are so terrible, and our media is, I do agree with Alex Jones in this regard, a mess.
Fucking awful.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
This is, we have the worst...
dan friesen
You can have the same premise and a different conclusion.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is...
dan friesen
It's possible.
unidentified
This is...
jordan holmes
It's unacceptable that we have such low attention span that we have to find a new way to hate Trump every single day.
We've already...
We've done enough.
Like, in the pile of this guy should be impeached, we hit it.
We hit it a year ago.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know, before he was president, he had already committed all the crimes.
So there's no reason to keep finding new stories.
What we should be doing is every fucking day...
Hammer home that he needs to go.
There should not be any other stories.
It should just be every single day the front page of the New York Times should be, go fuck yourself, Trump.
He should be impeached.
And every day that he is not impeached, they should write a story that says, hey, fuck yourself, Trump.
You should be impeached.
It's fucking lunacy!
dan friesen
Alright.
unidentified
You got me going with the Las Vegas thing and now I'm gone!
dan friesen
You're coming in way too hot.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
You're getting hot.
jordan holmes
My face is getting a little red.
dan friesen
Oh boy.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
I just can't do it anymore.
I can't read the news.
What is there to read?
dan friesen
Lovecraft.
jordan holmes
That's not bad.
dan friesen
There's a lot of Philip K. Dick out there you can read.
He wrote a lot.
jordan holmes
I want to go back to Salinger.
Let's go with The Laughing Man.
That was fun.
That was good, clean fun, Dan.
dan friesen
Fine.
Jump into it.
Then you don't have to read the news and you don't have to scream at me for five minutes.
jordan holmes
Do you know what the theory is?
I'm sorry, Dan.
I apologize.
dan friesen
That was exhausting.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
You're telling me.
jordan holmes
You're telling me.
Self-righteousness is hard.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So, at this point, we have laid out more or less the narrative of reality and what ended up happening here.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
There's a whole bunch of lying going on, and it's people not named Donald Trump and John Kelly doing it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So, now let's proceed through the rest of this special report that Alex Jones has, and we can point out and enjoy all of the points where he's being completely fucked up.
alex jones
Then, of course, Gold Star families released phone calls that were similar to what this phone call had been like.
It was actually very, very gracious the way he said it.
And it was General Kelly, who lost his own son a few years ago in the Marines, who basically told the president how best he thought it would be for the president to basically do it.
But he went further and said, Mr. President, most presidents don't actually call people, and this is really tough for you to do, and I recommend you don't do it.
dan friesen
I would posit that that's because he knows what the outcome would be.
I would suggest that he's like, you shouldn't do this.
jordan holmes
Look, a lot of presidents do this.
You, specifically, should not.
dan friesen
No, this is going to get things a little messy.
jordan holmes
Let pretend robot Mike Pence do it for you.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
He can at least feign human emotions.
dan friesen
Well, and in there, there's a point I'm going to punt on.
And that is there might be some phone calls that he's made that have been decent.
jordan holmes
Again.
dan friesen
I'm going to punt.
jordan holmes
Again.
dan friesen
I don't care.
jordan holmes
Who cares?
dan friesen
Right.
I don't care.
jordan holmes
It doesn't matter either way.
It's insincere.
He doesn't give a fuck.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
So let's get on to this next clip.
alex jones
So this is bigger than Trump.
This is about the anatomy of deception because now this congresswoman has come out and said that she's a rock star now that this happened and is really, really proud of all the fawning attention that fake news media like MSNBC and CNN and ABC have given her.
jordan holmes
Give three more examples.
dan friesen
In that clip, he's saying that Frederica Wilson is now calling herself a rock star, and she's so thrilled.
Here's the quote that he's misrepresenting.
Quote, You mean to tell me that I've become so important that the White House is following me in my words?
This is amazing.
It's amazing.
That is absolutely phenomenal.
I have to tell my kids I'm a rock star now.
She's being facetious.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
She's saying it's ridiculous that you're paying attention to me.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You have a lot of big issues to deal with.
She's not calling herself a rock star.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This is just Alex.
And in that same clip, he's saying that he, in this special report, is getting into the anatomy of deception when he's actually doing hardcore deception himself.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's amazing.
jordan holmes
What better way to teach deception than to embody it?
dan friesen
Right.
I just don't think that anyone who listens to him is taking that lesson away from it.
No, that's true.
So here we go.
This is the next clip.
And again, this is not cut up manipulatively or anything.
It's just cut in segments of the entire special report.
So here's where it goes from there.
alex jones
A total disconnect.
She doesn't get most Americans hate mainstream media.
She doesn't get that her butt's hanging out there in front of the world and people see right through her.
dan friesen
Her butt?
See through the butt?
Anyway.
alex jones
And that she took this death of this soldier and then used it.
To project hatred upon the president.
dan friesen
Yeah, so he's saying that everyone hates mainstream media, it's all terrible, no one likes it, and that's all good and well.
That's a fun game to play.
jordan holmes
Yeah, fine.
dan friesen
I mean, it kind of goes back to what you were saying, and we don't have a whole lot of...
Interest in defending the media per se.
jordan holmes
There is no defense for them.
They lost any credibility with me a long time ago.
dan friesen
They're very much asleep at the wheel and very much not taken care of.
Not TCBing.
jordan holmes
They're run by the same corporate people that run the government.
Who fucking cares?
dan friesen
They're all monsters.
I'm going to go to the research cam here and show you Infowars.com here.
For the last month, they have 6.6 million global unique views.
Which is pretty good, but if you see here, a lot of them, almost all of them, come from October 2nd, 3rd, and 4th, where they were up over a million views those days on the 3rd and the 4th.
And that's because the shooting happened on October 1st, and immediately they started spinning the ISIS narrative about it.
That's how they get these peaks in their traffic, is when something really tragic happens, they lie about it.
And you can see, everyone who's watching this can see, there are very few peaks, and if you go through it, if you go back through their history, you'll see the exact same thing.
Whenever something traumatic happens that may or may not have a racial bent to it, because Alex is injecting that into this, that's what drives their traffic.
jordan holmes
It's just like gun manufacturers, they never make more money than after a mass shooting.
In the same way these guys make all of their money on tragedy.
dan friesen
Right, and so we go over to MSNBC, one of Alex Jones' Most loathed members of the mainstream media here, you have 8.8 million global unique hits in the last month.
So there are about 2 million more than them.
jordan holmes
That's not enough more.
dan friesen
No, it's not.
jordan holmes
It's scary.
But it's still more.
It's still more, but that's a frighteningly little number.
dan friesen
The way Alex presents it is that they're destroying all of these.
jordan holmes
In a certain sense, they are.
dan friesen
And MSNBC isn't the highest of these.
Of course not.
CNN or New York Times, if their traffic was available publicly, like on Quantcast, then you'd see a much different picture.
But if you look at this, I'm going to switch back and forth, you can see there's much more reasonable peaks and valleys to the traffic pattern of MSNBC, whereas Alex Jones and Infowars has almost nothing until some tragedy, and then they get a lot.
So everyone hating the MSNBC or MSM is kind of bullshit.
And then again, I also argue that who is doing the politicizing?
That's the real question to ask.
There's a causation fallacy going on.
That Representative Wilson is the one politicizing things.
But in fact, it's a complicated dance that all of these people are doing.
And I don't...
You could get into a chicken or egg thing here and it's not worth it.
jordan holmes
It's a complex system and a lot of people, if not most people, despise complexity.
So whenever an idiot like Alex Jones turns that into a very simple narrative, they feel like, well...
If this guy can condense it down into a simple narrative that I can consume, that means he must be correct.
It's the same situation that all strongmen have used throughout history.
It is, I understand this system and I can fix it with A. And then they actually get into a position to do something about it and they realize that the system is incomprehensible.
You can't do any of that shit.
dan friesen
So Alex has a theory in this next clip of why they're...
Demonizing John Kelly.
jordan holmes
Because he's a monster?
dan friesen
He has a slightly different take on it.
alex jones
Oh, okay.
Now the rest of the story, I'm going to play part of the press conference that Kelly gave, is that in their attempt to demonize and lie, they've now expanded it on to General Kelly and said, oh my gosh, you know, he is this terrible person.
He's shown his true colors, is what CNN said.
He's shown us he's really a make America great again guy.
And with horror.
In these articles and in these reports, they talk about what a terrible person he is because he believes we shouldn't use the deaths of soldiers to make political points, or he believes that religion should be honored, or that women should be honored, or that children should be honored, or, you know, the institution of manhood, you name it, the humanity.
That the right to life should be honored.
He talked about honoring humanity, having respect for ourselves, and it's CNN and others that showed us their true colors when they flipped out and acted like the wholesome things that General Kelly said were some type of horrible pornography or something obscene that was being said and done.
jordan holmes
Well, considering Alex's torture porn fantasies, he definitely believes John Kelly is in the right here.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Kelly makes some passing references to these ideas, and some of them are a little bit paternalistic and weird.
jordan holmes
Oh, like you should honor women?
dan friesen
Women used to be worshipped and shit like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Hey, now.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But also, in the chat room, someone brought up a really good point, and that is that it was about a month ago that I was going to bring this up, but I'd like to also still give a shout-out to the chat room on that.
jordan holmes
You had to get that in, didn't you?
You had to get in that I was also going to bring it up.
unidentified
It's a little petty.
jordan holmes
That's a little Alex Jones-ian right there.
dan friesen
It's a little petty of me.
jordan holmes
That was Dan the centrist right there.
dan friesen
It's a great point that a month ago Alex was saying that General Kelly may or may not be poisoning Trump with an addictive sedative.
jordan holmes
Nah, I can't think of any reason why he would do that.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
So that's fine.
jordan holmes
John Kelly, he believes in honoring women, and the best way to do that is to poison Trump.
I think that's true.
I think that is an actually true thing.
dan friesen
So let's get into this next clip.
It talks more about Wilson's...
Oh, but in that last clip, the other thing I wanted to pull out of it is, in order to make his argument seem more appealing or more meaningful to the people who listen to him, code dum-dums, he has to make so much of this about this idea of pro-life positions.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he adds all of that shit in there that didn't belong.
dan friesen
No, but Kelly did...
Like, make passing reference to those things.
unidentified
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah, but it wasn't the point of what he was talking about.
It wasn't the point of it, and Alex is making it much more the point of it because he knows that he talks about how, like, oh, he also told a completely lying, misrepresenting story about a speech that she gave at the FBI unveiling of the building, or christening of the building, whatever it's called, I'm not sure.
A gender reveal party for the building.
jordan holmes
There we go.
Nice.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Nice.
dan friesen
Yeah, so she, like, if he...
Focused on that part of it, which I think is what most people are focusing on, he would have no leg to stand on.
So you focus on the vague references to anti-abortion sentiments.
jordan holmes
Can't think of anybody who does that, too.
dan friesen
No.
So here's the next clip where we get a little bit more about Alex lying.
alex jones
It's really the Washington Post and CNN and mainstream corporate dinosaur media that are showing us their true colors when they flip out.
Over someone saying, let's not be political in America when it comes to the deaths of soldiers.
Let's not insert ourselves between grieving families and the president.
You fucking pile of human garbage.
jordan holmes
Go fuck yourself.
alex jones
And as if not to be undone after all of her rock star bandwagon, you know, really vampire-like.
dan friesen
That was an edit on their video.
jordan holmes
I hope John Kelly...
alex jones
Congresswoman Frederica Wilson comes back again now this weekend and says that the general was racist when he said that the loudest guns tend to be empty barrels.
That's just saying that she's a loudmouth.
That's just saying she jumps on bandwagons and that she's an idiot.
But again, because she can't intellectually defeat what he said and what he's done, and because she's been caught lying about the tenor of what President Trump really does in these heartfelt phone calls, she's got to go back to the only card that the liberal, democratic, globalist party has, and that's race baiting.
And to see folks like this lady falling on her face is just absolutely disgusting.
dan friesen
I would argue that now all the facts have come out, and the facts were available on Sunday.
I would argue that Alex is the one who's doing a substantial amount of race baiting.
jordan holmes
I...
dan friesen
Because he's making it about that.
Now, I will say this.
unidentified
I'll say this.
jordan holmes
I can't handle that.
I will say this.
He just...
He took this high-road bullshit about all the shit that only he does.
He took this high...
He took this bullshit fucking...
This is what I'm saying.
This is exactly what I'm always saying about this whole, like, oh, when they go low, we go high bullshit.
It doesn't matter.
They don't care.
They don't care one way or the other.
They'll go whatever the fucking way they feel like you're not going.
So you might as well do something effective.
dan friesen
It's that zigzag-zog.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It doesn't fucking matter what they think.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Why are we pretending that the way they react to something that we think is going to matter one way or the other?
dan friesen
It won't.
jordan holmes
Fucking pathetic!
dan friesen
I'll give Alex a little bit of a kudos.
A tiny bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because Frederica Wilson did come out and say that the comment that she's an empty barrel is a racist term.
And that's a little bit dicey in some ways.
But Alex's idea that everyone is jumping on board with that is completely not true.
Here is an article in front of me from CNN from the 20th of this month that analyzes whether or not there is any etymological tradition.
jordan holmes
Racism built into.
dan friesen
And they go through.
There's an origin in Plato.
Although they can't quite find the citation, in the 15th century, a translation of The Pilgrimage of the Life of Man, done by John Lydgate, contains a variation on that theme.
Or by soaring noise and complaining, avoid vessel, pipe, or ton.
The phrase, or an iteration of it, was used twice in Shakespeare.
There's physics, an empty glass, if you tap it, makes a louder noise than a glass filled with water.
They go through to the point of...
Reaching out to Missouri University of Science and Technology professor Gerald Leonard Cohen, a widely recognized expert on etymology.
jordan holmes
And great musician.
dan friesen
Right.
They go through, and there's no real tradition of it.
But there is a part of it that is...
This is where I take away Alex's kudos.
MSNBC host Lawrence O'Donnell devoted 20 minutes of his show on Thursday night to Kelly.
Wilson and the Empty Barrel.
O'Donnell suggested that due to Kelly's boyhood in...
A Boston neighborhood that was still largely segregated.
His choice of words described to Wilson was intentionally dehumanizing to the congresswoman.
She was nothing but an empty barrel to him, said O'Donnell.
He refused to give her the dignity of a name.
And there is some credence to that.
Now, whether his motivation was racist or not, in this article, they don't fall on that side.
But it is interesting to go back and listen to that because he doesn't say her name.
jordan holmes
They gave...
20 minutes on TV to the etymology of...
dan friesen
No, no.
No, no.
No.
He gave 20 minutes just to this story.
The etymology was just an article that CNN did, which is like, hey, there are people in the MSM who are debunking the idea that there's racist roots to this.
Alex is just...
I mean, he's way off on everything.
jordan holmes
This is...
Oh, man.
What are we doing, Dan?
What are we doing?
Really?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
Who are these people?
What kind of line producer is at one of these shows going, here's our story.
We're going to spend all of this time on a fucking phone call from a sociopath that we knew was not going to go well.
Even if it did go well, it wouldn't mean anything.
I don't want to do this whole, like, what about bullshit of, like, Well, there are more important things to talk about right now.
But there are more important things to talk about!
dan friesen
It's fair.
So, in this next clip, Alex tries to argue that his position is not racist because there are a bunch of Democrats in Congress who are mentally ill.
alex jones
You know, there's a congressman up in Georgia who happens to be black who believes that islands float.
dan friesen
No.
alex jones
And when the media pointed out that islands don't float, they're mountaintops sticking out of the water, some folks said, well, you're just racist.
No, Nancy Pelosi's just as senile and mentally ill as these folks as well, and she's white.
And there's some other members of Congress that are also out of their minds.
We've just got to be asking ourselves, how have we gotten a collection of weirdos like this in charge of our country?
jordan holmes
Assholes like you, Alex.
Assholes like you.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, it's a great line.
It's a good point.
But if you get down to it, like someone who he really supports right now is Roy Moore.
And Roy Moore is a lunatic.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But he's the right kind of lunatic.
dan friesen
He makes all kinds of arguments very frequently about how we need to be a Christian nation and all of the things that go bad are because we've drifted from Christ.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
All of this stuff.
He refused to take down the Ten Commandments at the statehouse.
jordan holmes
Roy Moore is the guy who is not allowed to be a judge anymore because he committed all the crimes.
dan friesen
Because the courts told him to take down the Ten Commandments.
jordan holmes
Because as a judge, the most important thing you can do is refuse to honor the Constitution.
Whenever they take the oath of office, they're always like, hey, and the Constitution, do not listen to that at all.
dan friesen
It's a suggestion.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's more of a guideline.
dan friesen
So he got in trouble over that, and then he started doing speaking tours where he took the Ten Commandments statue along with him.
jordan holmes
That's actually pretty funny.
That's not bad.
I like that as a bit.
I'll give him some credit for that as a good bit.
dan friesen
In his speech recently...
Recently he said that we're such a divided country.
We got the blacks fighting the whites.
We got the reds and the yellows.
jordan holmes
That's such a, that's such a like, hey, listen, we got to stop being racist to these coons.
And you're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Cut his mic.
Cut his mic.
dan friesen
But then he got in some hot water about those comments.
jordan holmes
Oh, why?
dan friesen
And when asked, he's like, well, it's in that song, God Loves the Little Children.
They say reds and yellows.
unidentified
Like, oh no, this is not a good justification.
jordan holmes
Maybe the song is also bad.
Have you considered that, Mr. Moore?
dan friesen
Yeah, so that's the kind of people that Alex supports.
jordan holmes
I would call you Judge Moore, but you're not allowed to do that anymore.
dan friesen
Yeah, so that's Alex's milieu.
I would rather take someone who misspeaks every now and again.
Oh, and the other thing, the other comment that I found, I don't know what the window closed, but basically it goes along the lines of like, hey, of course you've got to swear in on the Bible.
The Bible's the only thing that matters.
I mean, because you know why?
You know why?
Buddha didn't make us.
Allah didn't make us.
It was the Christian God who made us.
So all these vows to other religions are meaningless.
It's like, dude, come on.
Come on.
jordan holmes
That is, I guess, ideologically consistent?
dan friesen
Yeah, but in a bad way.
jordan holmes
It's very simple.
That is such a perfect encapsulation of the Republican Party now.
They will gladly vote.
For somebody who shat all over the Constitution and lost his job because of it.
That's the Republican Party now.
You guys own it.
You guys hate America.
For everybody who's like, oh, it's all about the Constitution.
It's all about the First Amendment.
And you're like, you don't care about it.
You don't care about it, so shut the fuck up.
dan friesen
Now, if you are a senator and you say Korea instead of Crimea accidentally once, Alex will talk about it for six months.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Or if you say Bush instead of Trump, six months of coverage instead of, hey, this is a religious zealot that you're backing who is a danger to people's safety and.
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
These people are in the service of what they think is right.
The worst human beings on the planet.
dan friesen
Undoubtedly.
jordan holmes
They're evil.
dan friesen
So we got one more clip left of this special report, and then we'll get into...
jordan holmes
And I don't even need to be like, oh, they're vampires trying to kill your children.
I use the things they do.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I'm not making up a, I bet he's had sex with a child before.
I'm just saying he was legally removed from his job for shitting all over the Constitution.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
The only thing his job is about.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So he's evil.
dan friesen
Here's the next clip.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry for interrupting you, Dan.
alex jones
So I'm going to air the first 10 minutes or so of General Kelly's breakdown.
And then for yourself, go to Infowars.com, watch some posts, you name it, and actually see similar phone calls that Gold Star families have taped where you see how gracious and loving the president is when he's saying, hey, he was with you, wanted to be with.
He was a leader.
He gave his life for us.
What a hero.
Versus, ah, he asked for it, toots.
dan friesen
So he's creating another character here.
jordan holmes
He asked for it, toots.
dan friesen
Right, and that's a straw man that he's creating about the reality of Manisha's call that she got about her husband, LaDavid.
jordan holmes
But that, I actually think, would have been better.
dan friesen
What, if he was asking for it, toots?
jordan holmes
If he was asking for it, toots, at least she would have gotten a good old laugh out of that.
You can't cry.
If somebody says that shit to you, because that's bananas.
dan friesen
And Alex's default is to switch into a character that sort of embodies rape culture.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So that's great.
So anyway, here we go.
alex jones
So shut your mouth.
That's how the fake news media distorts things.
And in the new media system where everybody's got a camera and everybody can expose what they're doing, they are extincting themselves.
It's not Infowars destroying mainstream media.
They're doing it to themselves.
dan friesen
All right.
Fair enough.
The media is not doing its job.
I agree with you.
But, like, we've already discussed...
jordan holmes
Neither are you, Alex.
dan friesen
Well, he is doing his job.
It's just not a good job.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's true.
dan friesen
But, like, we already discussed at the beginning of the episode, Alex Jones bringing into his narrative a misrepresented piece of video that a citizen journalist captured out the window of his hotel.
Like, great.
Everyone can do this, but it doesn't mean it's...
Real.
It doesn't mean that anyone has any information about the context that things are in.
Anybody can have a camera and capture stuff out of context.
Anybody can have a blog and post whatever they want on it.
It doesn't...
jordan holmes
Yeah, I do.
Knowledgefight.com slash AJ...
Yeah, anyways.
Right.
dan friesen
It's not journalism.
It's not truth.
jordan holmes
It's not real.
I think we are at the point now, though, where every interaction with Trump should be recorded.
Every interaction with the police should be recorded.
dan friesen
Isn't it?
Like for Trump, presidential record laws and stuff?
jordan holmes
No, I'm talking about her phone call.
dan friesen
Oh.
jordan holmes
Like she should have started recording immediately.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Like you should, if you ever get anywhere near any of these people, you should just turn your phone on and start recording it.
dan friesen
Apparently.
jordan holmes
Because that's the only, because now if, when we're dealing with a complete lack of objective reality between different people.
dan friesen
Which we are.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Purely.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Then the only way is to pull out hard evidence.
So, record it.
Frankly, at this point, just start recording everything you do.
That way you can read back the tape and be like...
dan friesen
Check the tape.
There you go!
Apparently...
jordan holmes
Unless you're Nixon, in which case, what were you doing in those 35 minutes when that tape was turned out?
What were you doing, Nixon?
dan friesen
Apparently, Donald Trump's daughter-in-law has said that there's a transcript of the phone call, but the White House has denied that that's the case.
jordan holmes
So we know it's true.
unidentified
Probably.
dan friesen
And it doesn't look good.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
So now we move on to Monday, and...
jordan holmes
Has anybody ever described Trump as gracious?
Trump?
I'm getting senile.
dan friesen
I know one guy.
His name?
jordan holmes
Alex Jones?
dan friesen
John Barron.
jordan holmes
I don't think so.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I don't think so.
dan friesen
His fake publicist character?
jordan holmes
Oh, that's true.
dan friesen
The guy who we would call...
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
So here we go.
We're jumping into Monday now, and here's how Alex Jones opens the show on Monday.
It starts with a lie, and then ends up in something Mark Dicey.
But it has nothing to do with Mark Dice.
It's just Dicey, and I was hot-dogging on language.
jordan holmes
There you go.
unidentified
The answer to 1984 is 1776.
You're listening to The Alex Jones Show.
alex jones
Globalists claim they're altruistic.
They claim they have all the answers.
They claim they have this great vision for us.
But in truth, they are the fallen souls.
And that evidence is all being made manifest right now.
Every day.
Even mainstream media and top globalist publications have to come out and admit the truth about where we...
dan friesen
Hold on a second.
We need to reboot.
Because I accidentally thought that was Rush.
That's not Rush.
That sounds like Geddy Lee.
jordan holmes
Check the chat room.
dan friesen
They're going to be fucking dancing all over my face.
jordan holmes
They're not going to be happy with it.
dan friesen
Oh boy, this is going to ruin all credibility of my Godzilla arguments.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, I just paused it so we can actually listen to what he's saying here.
alex jones
We are as a society and a civilization.
Here is the World Economic Forum.
That's basically Bilderberg Group Public coming out and saying that...
dan friesen
I feel deeply ashamed...
jordan holmes
Bilderberg Group Public.
dan friesen
I feel deeply ashamed of thinking that was Rush now.
Oh, good asshole.
Sorry about that.
All right, back to the clip.
alex jones
Scientists know what you think, and they know how to control your mind using electromagnetic waves.
jordan holmes
True.
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, I remember them floating that almost 20 years ago in the Baltimore Sun where the CIA admitted they were adding augmentation systems to cell towers in the Baltimore area with DARPA to practice mind-controlling the public.
Yes, we're not in Kansas anymore.
dan friesen
This gets to Hamamoto-style shit.
jordan holmes
And hopefully neither will be Sam Brownback.
dan friesen
So this is an article that Alex is referencing out of the World Economic Forum, and if you just read the headline, it sounds scary as shit.
jordan holmes
Let's read it.
dan friesen
The headline is, scientists can now control how you think.
jordan holmes
I bet they are going to spend the next article, the next, you know, byline just going...
Word by word.
dan friesen
We now control you.
jordan holmes
Here's how it all works.
We're going to control your mind.
dan friesen
Alex does not read articles.
jordan holmes
I think we've established that.
dan friesen
That is a really scary headline, although I admit that.
jordan holmes
It's a sensationalized headline.
dan friesen
Well, also, I would like to posit this really important thing.
It's they control how you think, not...
What you think.
That's an important little bit of a word here.
So here's what this article is about.
A team of researchers from Boston University has explored the possibility of enhancing a person's ability to learn and control their behavior.
And it's not saying they can't control your behavior.
It's your ability to control your own behavior.
jordan holmes
It's conditioning.
dan friesen
Right.
In short, to change how people think, by stimulating the brain.
Boston University researcher Robert Reinhart used a new form of brain stimulation called high-definition transcranial alternating current stimulation, also known as HDTACs, to turbocharge two brain regions that influence how we learn.
If you make an error...
This brain area fires.
If I tell you you made an error, it also fires.
If something surprises you, it fires, Reinhardt said in a BU research press release, referring to the medial frontal cortex, which he calls the, quote, alarm bell of the brain.
Reinhardt and his colleagues found that stimulating this region as well as the lateral prefrontal cortex could change how a person learns.
These are maybe the two most fundamental brain areas involved in the executive function and self-control.
So they published a study about this, and here's what they did.
Reinhardt's team tested 30 healthy people, each wearing a soft cap with electrodes that conveyed the stimulation.
The test was simple.
Each subject had to press a button every 1.7 seconds.
In the first three rounds of tests, the researchers either cranked up the synchronicity between the two lobes, disrupted it, or did nothing.
The participants' brain activity, monitored by an electroencephalogram, or an EEG, showed statistically significant results.
When the brain waves were upped, the subjects learned faster and made fewer mistakes.
When they made the mistakes, they corrected them abruptly.
When the brain wave was disrupted, they made more errors and learned more slowly.
What was even more surprising was that when 30 new participants took an adjusted version of the test, The group started with their brain activity temporarily disrupted, but then received stimulation in the middle of the activity.
The participants quickly recovered their original brain synchronicity levels and learned behaviors.
We were shocked by the results and how quickly the effects of stimulation could be reversed.
So basically all they've done is found brain areas you can stimulate that allow you to learn faster.
The bigger question, Summers, another brain research scientist at Boston University, who was not a part of the study, which should be noted.
The bigger question, Summers noted, is how far a person can go with such technology.
Who doesn't want to have their brain performance enhanced?
This could produce the same effects as nootropics or smart drugs, but with fewer potential side effects.
jordan holmes
And?
Could work.
dan friesen
Yeah, as the brain is stimulated directly.
Having access to such technology could be a game changer.
But as with smart drugs, there's the question of who should have access to such technology and whether or not those smart drugs are real.
But the point is, this is a very interesting study.
It has nothing to do with brain control or anything like that, or brainwashing.
Alex is completely lying about that.
And he sells brain pills.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Of course he has a vested interest in making you afraid of those things.
There's a certain part of me that believes no mainstream outlet should be allowed to report on science at all.
It's so complicated.
That's why we get so many different, can science turn your balls into two oranges?
Why are we doing that?
dan friesen
Science clickbait, baby.
jordan holmes
If you read the article, it's going to be like...
Six scientists at MIT put a little thing on a mouse, and maybe that helped.
dan friesen
And it's balls turned orange.
jordan holmes
It's still 20 years away from being useful.
Like, they just love these headlines that are like, oh, we found a new buh, and it's never that.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It's just bullshit.
dan friesen
It is.
And Alex, he knows that.
And that's why he doesn't read articles.
You just read the headlines.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if you read the headline, you can make whatever up you want.
dan friesen
Make up some bullshit.
jordan holmes
And people might as well believe it.
dan friesen
And so here's where he goes from there.
alex jones
And that dovetails with our first big piece of news today that I'm going to cover in more detail coming up in this hour.
Vladimir Putin has come out and warned that we must be extremely moral and that we must be informed and involved.
Our AI will take over and basically enslave us.
And that if bad people get control of AI first, it will be used to again enslave humanity.
jordan holmes
Like Robert Mercer.
alex jones
That's my big fear is that the globalists are going to use it for control.
They've used everything else for that.
jordan holmes
Like Robert Mercer.
alex jones
Putin now warns.
Of a future sci-fi superhuman soldier is more destructive than nuclear bombs who feel no fear or pain.
The globalists want machines because they'll follow illegal orders.
But the real goal is to turn us into the machines.
Less human than human, but more human than human.
So let's go ahead.
I will read the closed captions and play what the president of Russia had to say.
Here it is.
dan friesen
More and more, I'm noticing that...
jordan holmes
Anytime Putin says something, Alex takes note.
dan friesen
Alex covers...
jordan holmes
Gotta be front-page news on that.
dan friesen
Alex covers quotes and things that Putin puts out into the world unquestioningly, which should be no surprise to us, quite frankly.
But it's brazen, the way he's just like, I love Russia.
They are great.
jordan holmes
Also, that's a dumb thing to say.
Humans are the least effective military thing.
Like, what we should be making is...
Really effective robots.
Why am I giving advice to the people?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
This is a bad idea.
dan friesen
You and I both end up diving into that accidentally sometimes.
jordan holmes
Anyways, AT-ATs from Star Wars were a very ill-advised weapon.
They should have put something low to the ground with a low center of gravity.
Why would you make big, tall, lumbering, camel-looking things?
That doesn't make any sense.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
It was very easy to take them down, even though you're technologically unprepared for it.
dan friesen
They got long legs.
jordan holmes
This is exactly like...
Human enhancement.
Come on, man.
Also, I'm now for AI taking over humanity.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
We're doing a bad job of it.
dan friesen
Great!
jordan holmes
Let's hope for Isaac Asimov-style AI, where it's got our best interests in mind, and it doesn't have to...
dan friesen
And that is our destruction?
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is our best interest.
dan friesen
So, on our last episode, we took a little break and wandered into Project Camelot territory.
jordan holmes
Yes, delightful.
dan friesen
We learned about sort of demons, and we learned about some aliens and what have you.
jordan holmes
Not enough about ghosts.
dan friesen
We discussed the relative...
Similarity of Alex Jones and Project Camelot.
Carrie Cassidy and how they're both beholden to archaic anti-Semitic beliefs that inform their version of their villains.
unidentified
Carrie Cassidy.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
In this next clip, Alex Jones makes it clear that he believes that he is fighting demons or aliens.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
So he is much closer than even we were presenting it.
alex jones
We can remove...
Those little greedy creatures off our backs, we've got a real shot at the future.
Because they're so reckless, they're just pell-mell, maximum testing, fission fusion, strangelets, black holes, super cyclotron, collider systems, genetic engineering completely off the chain, thousands of labs, gene gun, random splicing, open air testing, pharmacological crops, chimera humanoids, just the sky's the limit of what we know.
They say they want a global government so we don't destroy ourselves?
And they're the ones handing out nuclear weapon technology?
Like they're lollipops when you visit the dentist?
They're crazy.
What they are is possessed by a spirit, an archetype, some type of interdimensional vampire.
jordan holmes
Spirit and an archetype.
Very different things.
dan friesen
I also need to pause to ask.
How is one possessed by an archetype?
jordan holmes
Well, I think...
dan friesen
An archetype is a literary device.
jordan holmes
I am fairly certain that...
What's his fucking face?
The playwright...
unidentified
Joseph Campbell?
jordan holmes
No.
God damn it.
Now I'm never going to remember it.
It's not Archimedes.
It's Aeschylus.
Aeschylus.
He was the one who first proposed the archetypes.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
In the...
Whatever it fucking was.
dan friesen
You can become fascinated with an archetype.
You can identify with an archetype.
jordan holmes
You can't be possessed by one.
dan friesen
No, because it's not a thing.
jordan holmes
You can be possessed by a lot of narratives like man versus nature.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Man versus man.
All of these things.
Man versus the self.
Possessed by it.
dan friesen
You can be possessed by archaic antisemitism.
jordan holmes
That's true.
Also, what's a cyclotron?
What was it he was talking about?
dan friesen
Not important.
jordan holmes
He just made up a couple of science words and put them right next to him.
dan friesen
Not important.
jordan holmes
Cyclotron.
dan friesen
Not important.
alex jones
I don't know.
But they want to blow the planet up.
jordan holmes
So does Starscream.
alex jones
They really, really, really want to kill everybody.
I don't know if it's some space transmission or what it is, because we know there's a sixth sense and a whole dimension to that.
Is this some kind of jamming operation to make us kill each other?
Kind of like The Kingsman, the first episode of that?
dan friesen
I don't know.
alex jones
I'm just hypothesizing.
But I know it's going on.
jordan holmes
You just saw Kingsman and the Secret Service.
alex jones
I know they're out to get us.
They don't act like they're human.
jordan holmes
It's a pretty fun movie.
alex jones
The globalists act like they're not of this world, just like the Bible says, and are here to kill, steal, and destroy.
Fallen angel.
Bad guys.
Fallen angels.
Two and two together, folks.
They think we're all stupid here.
You can see we're already creating aliens on Earth with all these human animal and animal animal and insect animal and animal plant hybrids.
Let me just stop right there.
dan friesen
I think you should.
Also...
jordan holmes
I think he just proposed that Little Shop of Horrors was a documentary.
dan friesen
I think he did.
jordan holmes
I think he just did that.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I just...
I really get bummed out when he brings up the hybrids and the chimeras and doesn't say pinnipeds.
That really disappoints me, and it makes me like, why are you not giving a shout-out to the pinnipeds?
jordan holmes
Has anybody asked his opinion on mantids or the spider leadership?
dan friesen
No, we need to find out.
jordan holmes
Are they hybrids, or are they just super intelligent versions of the same thing?
dan friesen
Is there a globalist analog of...
Exactly!
It's unclear.
jordan holmes
If the globalists are real, I think we can take it as read that the spider leadership is real.
Put two and two together, Dan.
dan friesen
Where are the raptors in this?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, the thing is, like, I love that, like, Fallen Angels.
Put two and two together.
jordan holmes
Put two and two together.
dan friesen
They think we're stupid.
I just did.
jordan holmes
I just made up two, and then I made up two, and now we got Fallen Angels.
dan friesen
You're not putting anything together.
jordan holmes
No, you gotta connect the dots and find the through line.
dan friesen
Gotta add some dots.
jordan holmes
You gotta add them.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex Jones, he's just like, they don't want you to know what I know.
Namely, two plus two.
jordan holmes
Much like Carrie Cassidy.
dan friesen
Right.
alex jones
That's how you wake somebody up.
Hey, here's the forbidden info that they don't want you to have.
Here's the cutting-edge information the globalists are so afraid of.
Find out why they say he's fake news, because he's the real news.
Get the news a year before, a month before, a week before, a day before.
dan friesen
He's been really workshopping that as a new catchphrase.
jordan holmes
The news a year before?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That's not a bad catchphrase.
dan friesen
It's not, but it's a lie.
jordan holmes
Well, of course.
dan friesen
He's like, why does everyone demonize us and call us the fake news?
I mean, we've gone through at least four specific instances in two days of his show of completely bogus narratives.
jordan holmes
I can't understand.
dan friesen
That's why, Alex.
It's not because there's globalists that are against you or anything like that.
It's a fucking illusion.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we can put one and one together.
dan friesen
Exactly.
It's much easier than that.
jordan holmes
Oh, so faster.
alex jones
Anybody else?
InfoWars.
From real research, real focus.
And please, buy the products.
We have a limited time only sales at InfoWarsStore.com of our amazing nootropic brain force that I was going to say I was going to end this weekend, but now we're getting more in a little bit earlier.
We're getting some in December 1st now.
I thought it was going to be maybe even January until we got more in, but we rushed it.
So I was going to go to regular price.
So we wouldn't sell out, you know, by the end of the year.
jordan holmes
Can't sell out.
alex jones
But now it's getting in about a month earlier.
jordan holmes
Whoa.
alex jones
So I'm going to keep it at 50% off.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
The Easter sale is still going on, my friend.
dan friesen
Exactly.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
I think that it's important to leave stuff in there because we love to play the game where there's that sales pivot and then I just sort of turn it off.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I don't think people get a sense of how long a lot of these ads are.
I started to listen to a little bit of David Knight's show.
And he's smooth with the ads.
jordan holmes
How long does he do the ads?
dan friesen
He's pretty brief with them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was going to say, he sounds like less of a salesman.
dan friesen
He does them in a much more structured way, so it's never like that, like that turning into a swerve or whatever.
It's every time he comes back from break.
He's like, I'd like to remind you of our specials and blah, blah, blah, blah.
jordan holmes
He's more like an old-time radio dude where they're doing the ads as live reads.
unidentified
More or less.
jordan holmes
And that's normal.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But there is also the part of it that's like, you're coming back from a commercial break always into a commercial.
And it's kind of like, this is excessive.
But he's still, it's less offensive because the way Alex does it, he could be screaming about God knows what, your kid's blood is gonna be sucked out by demon globalists.
jordan holmes
And that's why you need Brain Force.
dan friesen
Right, you gotta replenish that blood.
jordan holmes
Gotta get it.
dan friesen
It's one of the, it has a blood supplying quality.
I don't know if you know that about Brain Force.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Yeah, it replenishes your blood.
jordan holmes
That can't be true.
dan friesen
It probably is, I don't know.
The FDA has not approved.
jordan holmes
Fucking everything replenishes your blood.
dan friesen
The FDA has not approved nor denied these claims.
jordan holmes
So Bread replenishes your blood.
dan friesen
The band Bread?
unidentified
I love them.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
I love that song of their Stairway to Heaven.
jordan holmes
Peaches herself?
She replenishes your blood?
dan friesen
Sure.
I love her song, I Will Choose Free Will.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
I'm just getting songs wrong on purpose.
Anyway, here's the next clip where I believe that Alex Jones thinks he's William Wallace.
This is kind of like, I mean, Alex is lying about everything and what have you.
jordan holmes
Can we remove his innards?
dan friesen
Someone may one day.
jordan holmes
We can only hope.
dan friesen
This is one of those clips where he's lying and he's wrong, but I kind of enjoy this Alex.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This isn't like weird, esoteric Alex.
It's not angry Alex.
It's not drunk Alex.
It's Alex who thinks he's won.
And it's kind of fun because I know like...
Pride comes before the fall and all that.
jordan holmes
Showboating, Alex?
dan friesen
A little bit.
It's gloaty, Alex, but there's a fun quality to it that I hope we all enjoy.
jordan holmes
Alex Hubris Jones.
dan friesen
Also, please take notice of how I'm positive you told them, hey, don't turn down the music this time.
Keep that music bed going real hot.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And notice, as soon as Stephen Bannon, and as soon as the libertarian movement of the Republican Party started calling this war, we started winning.
dan friesen
So here's where I wanted to pause real quick because the reason that you started winning once you started saying it's a war is because there is no war and there are no globalists on the other side of it.
So you get your base all riled up thinking that there are a bunch of people who want to take away your freedoms and destroy the country by design, Cloward and Piven, all this stuff.
And then, of course, they're going to fight back more aggressively and end up voting for people who are not in their best interests.
all of these wacky tea party dickholes all around the country.
Of course you're going to start winning once you radicalize your base because the other side isn't radical yet.
I mean, yet.
jordan holmes
Says you.
I think if you listen to the opening of this episode, you'll find that.
dan friesen
You're not radical.
You have radical leanings.
jordan holmes
I mean, I haven't bought a gun yet.
dan friesen
I'm not saying that.
You're not out there with a bat, though.
You're not like, you're not got a balaclava on and going to smash up a Chase Bank or something like that.
jordan holmes
I'm afraid of crowds.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
That's what's keeping us our agoraphobia.
unidentified
Our myelagoraphobia is the only reason we're not really radicalized.
dan friesen
That's why I don't do stand-up anymore.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that's why I don't smash up banks.
So, yeah, I just...
That was the point I wanted to make.
This idea that he's saying, once we called it a war, everyone got it.
Now it's a real war.
It's like, no, it's just because the other side isn't treating this like a war.
jordan holmes
Or it doesn't exist.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
You can always win a war against an imaginary enemy.
dan friesen
It's pretty easy.
jordan holmes
Well, actually, you can't always win a war against an imaginary enemy.
dan friesen
No, you can wage a very successful war against them, but you can't win them because when time comes for a win, you don't have someone to lose.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's fucking ridiculous.
jordan holmes
And he can't actually declare a victory ever.
dan friesen
Nope.
Like, his money's gone then.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if he says, guys, we defeated the globalists, he then has to, like, it's like a season finale.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Or a series finale.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Like, at the end of Scrubs.
dan friesen
That's why they couldn't kill Siler in season one of Heroes.
They're like, oh no, what do we do then?
You need your bad guy.
jordan holmes
How did season two of Heroes work out?
dan friesen
It was okay.
There's a myth that it was terrible.
unidentified
Okay, is that a myth?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Did the globalists put it out?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Eventually.
dan friesen
The writer's strike did get in the way, but there was a lot of potential and a lot of decent stuff going on in the second season.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It was really in the third that everything fell apart.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's my argument, and I'm going to stick to it.
jordan holmes
I think comedians need to unionize.
Anyways.
dan friesen
Let's get back to the clip.
jordan holmes
We need to have a comic strike.
Whatever.
alex jones
As soon as we called out the globalists, as soon as we got in their faces, as soon as we let them know that we understand they hate our guts and want to make us their political and cultural and financial slaves, as soon as we broke the conditioning and stopped caring what they thought about us, as soon as we focused our will like a horrible, dark thunderstorm.
And suddenly the sun breaks through the clouds.
The wind blows.
unidentified
And the whole darkness rolls away.
alex jones
You're standing looking out on the green vistas.
jordan holmes
This is still going on.
alex jones
The black sea.
The yellow sun high on the sky.
Then you touch the face of destiny.
And you feel the ancient will of the species.
God's hand on our development.
And then you only wish for success.
And you feel the interconnected strength of the will.
And there's no more fear.
This is the victory against the globalists.
Would you like to know more?
This is the transmission.
God bless you.
Thank you for joining us.
dan friesen
Now you think here he's going to go to a sales pitch.
But it's too early in the commercial break for him to go to a sales pitch.
jordan holmes
Oh, I thought he was already...
I thought that was the end of the show.
dan friesen
No.
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
It seems like that should be the end of the show.
dan friesen
This is in the first hour.
jordan holmes
That can't be in the first hour.
dan friesen
This is like the third commercial break.
jordan holmes
He's already ended the show.
He said, thank you, this is the end of the transmission.
dan friesen
Also, I'd like to give the opposite of a shout out to the chat room right now who's going hard at me for liking season two of Hero.
unidentified
Admittedly, there were problems.
dan friesen
Hero should not have been trapped in the past for that long.
It was a mess.
I have a soft spot in my heart because of what was going on in my life at the time, and I don't think it's as bad as people remember it as.
Also, I'd like to say that the reboot of Heroes was terrible.
jordan holmes
This is a whole new Godzilla vs.
Mothra situation.
dan friesen
Oh my god.
jordan holmes
We gotta let this one go.
dan friesen
Alright, here we go.
jordan holmes
Could somebody get me a transcript of what he just said there?
Because that was freeform poetry of the most insane kind.
dan friesen
You touched the brilliance of the species.
jordan holmes
And the face of destiny and the...
Ancient will, and you find out that the will is interconnected with other wills.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The fuck are you talking about?
And he listened back to that and jerked off.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
He's like, I nailed it.
Crushed it.
jordan holmes
That level one of improv training at Second City was worth every penny, my friend.
dan friesen
So that's, like I said, this is where you think he's going to pivot to an ad, because that's kind of his thing.
jordan holmes
It sounds right.
dan friesen
But here's what he does instead.
alex jones
Now, let me get into the Democrat Party news.
The Democratic Party is done.
Unless we let them mind control us by just nagging and stirring up trouble and lying.
dan friesen
Okay.
Good.
You know, you do this...
jordan holmes
I agree with him.
The Democratic Party is done.
dan friesen
Well, you do this, like, minute and a half free-form speech that you think...
You're like, I am...
Like, it's Patton.
jordan holmes
Perfect.
dan friesen
That's what he's channeling there.
jordan holmes
No, he's standing behind a giant American flag.
dan friesen
And then he's like...
jordan holmes
Or standing in front of a giant American flag.
dan friesen
He's like, let's get to the news.
Let's get to the Democrat news.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
They're going to lose unless they brainwash us with nagging.
unidentified
It's like he becomes a sitcom husband or something like that.
dan friesen
Nag, nag, nag.
That's all these Democrats do.
Tim Allen.
jordan holmes
It's home improvement.
dan friesen
This is not good analysis.
jordan holmes
I do think the Democratic Party is done, though.
I think they've pretty successfully chosen to hate everybody.
Did you see what happened with the DNC recently?
They got rid of everybody who wasn't loyal to the corporate wing of the Democratic Party.
dan friesen
Those hoes ain't loyal.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
So they're actively trying not to learn a lesson.
dan friesen
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
They're trying so hard not to learn a lesson.
What they're doing is they're doing the same thing that the Republicans did in, what was it, 2008, with the Tea Party and all of that stuff.
They are trying to exploit the people who are radicalized or who are successfully becoming more and more progressive in order to further a corporate agenda.
dan friesen
Get the votes.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
unidentified
So the Democratic Party.
jordan holmes
It's a bad idea because, again...
They're fucking stupid.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
The Democratic Party is led by the dumbest people on the planet.
dan friesen
It does look that way.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Except for Alex Jones' audience.
unidentified
That's true.
dan friesen
The Democratic Party is second to them.
Because there's no way to top people who fall for this bullshit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip...
jordan holmes
No, we need a third party.
dan friesen
In this next clip, it's a little bit long.
Alex throws in a bunch of lie narratives, and we'll get to those and discuss what's wrong with them.
But in the process, he does another one of his favorite things.
He outs a source.
alex jones
These little stumbling blocks and getting past Hollywood and kind of the mesmerized mind-control state we were in, that's the child's play.
And now we're just getting a breath because the next obstacles are here.
So here it is, total vindication.
Just like we told you at this very time last week that the president was looking, barring new information, to release the JFK files.
dan friesen
So, real quick.
jordan holmes
Now we get into some fun conspiracies.
dan friesen
So, Roger Stone came on over the weekend, I believe, or maybe it was on Friday, and he said that he talked to Trump and that Trump was, he heard him out about the JFK stuff, but he didn't say that he was going to do it, but Roger believed he was going to.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So now, on Monday's show, Roger Stone comes back on, and they present it as, he said he was going to do it, but you didn't want to put that out publicly.
So they're already sort of rewriting what the truth of what they were saying is.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But then further...
All Trump is doing is not blocking it.
There's a law in 1992 that all of these files would be released on October 26, 2017.
That was what the law was from the 90s.
The president has the discretion to either block or allow it.
And if he doesn't do anything, it just automatically would be released.
jordan holmes
It's not like he went into the libraries himself and pulled them out from unhidden stacks.
dan friesen
Release these files!
Have you no decency?
unidentified
How much fun would it be if we actually find out LBJ killed JFK?
dan friesen
That's what Roger Stone says.
jordan holmes
And they just were like, I guess we gotta let everybody know now.
Like, how much fun would that be?
dan friesen
That'd be madness.
jordan holmes
That would be hilarious.
dan friesen
It'd be a perfect distraction for all the bullshit Trump was doing.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
But also, it really feeds in perfectly with Alex's they're gonna kill Trump narrative and all that.
So, like, it's just, it's like...
Manna from heaven for a propagandist.
These converting storylines.
jordan holmes
And as we know, if LBJ actually did kill Kennedy, Bush Jr. would totally have let us know.
Like, in one of his speeches immediately...
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
He would have been like, the French have no word for entrepreneur, and LBJ killed JFK.
dan friesen
Entrepreneur!
So anyway, here we go.
Let's go back to the clip.
alex jones
He tweeted the next morning those exact words, because those were directly from him.
Media that Friday said, look at Jones and Stone, fake news.
Trump's not going to release it, our CIA sources say.
jordan holmes
I would watch that show.
alex jones
Well, you have your CIA sources, we have the president.
And they just can't stand it.
They just can't stand it, you see.
And right here, like we told you weeks ago, this was coming.
Yesterday, we broke it.
Mueller now investigating Democrat lobbyist Tony Podesta.
For the Uranium One deal.
And I know you've heard Uranium One probably 5,000 times.
jordan holmes
But have you seen Uranium Two?
dan friesen
It's a great sequel.
It's like the second season of Heroes.
jordan holmes
It does have some problems.
dan friesen
The narrative that he's spitting here is about Mueller expanding the probe that he's doing.
Here's an article here in Vox.
Special Counsel Robert Mueller is now investigating a top Democratic lobbyist.
Tony Podesta, the brother of Hillary Clinton's campaign chair, is under scrutiny in the expanding Russia investigation.
If you go on throughout this article, you find that this part of the investigation has no specific connection to the question of Russian interference in the 2016 campaign.
Instead, it's about work done by several Washington operatives for pro-Russian Ukrainians a few years earlier.
Specifically, both Podesta's and Manafort's firms represented a Ukrainian nonprofit group, the European Center for Modern Ukraine, between 2012 and 2014.
This group was attempting to improve the image of the Ukrainian regime at the time, which was pro-Russian and under scrutiny for its treatment of their domestic operations.
And fascist.
A report from CNN earlier this year described how the Podesta group repeatedly contacted the State Department.
...
...
However, and crucially, they didn't disclose the full extent of their work in federal lobbying filings until earlier this year.
And per NBC, that failure to disclose has caught Mueller's attention.
Tony Podesta is the brother of John Podesta, who chaired Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign.
Though they co-founded the lobbying firm at issue, the Podesta Group, decades ago, John Podesta is no longer affiliated with the firm and there's no indication that he's a subject of Mueller's investigation.
jordan holmes
Still don't care.
dan friesen
Also has nothing to do with the Uranium One deal, which, as we know, is horseshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Alex really should have read further into that article, specifically because that's not something he wants to...
He should not be like...
Yeah, exactly.
That's kind of why he should have read further into that, because it's like...
Oh, they're investigating him for Russia stuff.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
Aren't I supposed to say that's nothing?
I'm supposed to...
dan friesen
Well, no, because his narrative is that the Democrats are the ones who are doing all the Russia stuff.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's true.
dan friesen
You know, his timeline that he keeps screwing up and rewriting.
jordan holmes
Can I still say I'm fine with that?
Like, fuck him.
I don't care if you're a Democratic lobbyist or a Republican lobbyist.
I hope you die.
Fuck you.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And also, this is fun, that Roger Stone is repurposing his whole...
Soon it will be Podesta's time in the barrel tweet that was clearly about WikiLeaks revealing John Podesta's emails.
He's tried to repurpose that as being like, oh, that's what I was talking about.
I knew he was working with Ukraine and they were going to bring it out a year and a half later.
jordan holmes
News now a year before.
That's the trick.
dan friesen
It's nonsense.
It's another narrative that Alex is blowing because he doesn't read the sources that he talks about.
alex jones
Since January of 2016 here.
Again, why do you think they came out and said, myself, Roger Stone, Trump, his sons are all Russian agents?
Because Trump had Trump Jr., Donald Jr., absolutely digging into all this.
And so what do you do when you're a Russian?
dan friesen
That's not good.
Earlier in this clip, he outed Donald Trump himself as one of their sources, and he's saying Donald Trump had his son go meet with these Russians to try and find some dirt on Hillary Clinton's relationship with Russia.
Even if that's true, that's illegal.
jordan holmes
Still not good.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Still not good.
dan friesen
And he's presenting it as, of course, I talked to Trump.
I get the information from Trump.
So if that's the case...
Holy shit.
jordan holmes
Still not good.
All of this is worse when he says it.
dan friesen
Tremendously bad.
jordan holmes
And he doesn't even understand why it's the worst thing.
dan friesen
But he's also probably lying.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
But be that as it may, it's still alarming.
jordan holmes
Trump is busy being dicks to fallen soldiers' widows.
He doesn't have time to be a dick to Alex, too.
dan friesen
And mysteriously, almost every black person who speaks up in public.
jordan holmes
Who would have guessed?
dan friesen
Yeah, it seems like there's a running trend of that.
jordan holmes
Who would have guessed?
alex jones
Minion.
They're not a Russian spy.
They just got paid off by him.
That's just money.
What are you going to do when that happens?
You're going to point the fingers at the people that catch you.
One of the oldest tricks in the book is, you know, you catch somebody robbing your neighbor's house, and another neighbor shows up and doesn't know either one of you, and the guy carrying out the computer says, he's actually the thief.
Hold your gun on him.
Good.
Let's wait until the cops get here.
Good job.
jordan holmes
That's a perfect analogy.
dan friesen
There's a lot of problems.
jordan holmes
That is a perfect analogy.
dan friesen
There's a number of problems.
jordan holmes
I understood the first situation so much better by hearing that analogy.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Because, look, if you show up at a house with a gun...
unidentified
He said more words.
dan friesen
He said that if someone is coming out with a computer...
jordan holmes
What he said was fucking bananas.
dan friesen
So if you get caught stealing a computer from someone's house, you're like walking out with a desktop or something like that.
And the guy's like, this is my house, that is my computer.
And you are a stranger who has a gun.
I think, first of all, this situation has the potential to get very out of control.
But second, let's say you're stealing the computer, you don't have a weapon yourself.
I think this argument would end up being you drop the computer and run away.
You don't say, like, no, this is my house.
jordan holmes
I feel like this is more of an evil twin situation where you've got alternate dimension twins and they're both going on there.
dan friesen
Or a Freaky Friday.
jordan holmes
Shoot him!
No, shoot him!
And you're sitting there and I don't know which one is the real one!
dan friesen
Or the Adventures of Pluto Nash.
unidentified
There we go.
dan friesen
This is a great movie.
I don't really believe that, but I'm sick and tired of this goddamn chat room.
Really should be more appreciative of the people watching.
You are really starting to piss me off.
jordan holmes
You are antagonizing the chat room.
How do you not know?
dan friesen
I'm really getting under my skin with this.
jordan holmes
You're not good at this.
You're not good at being trolled, Dan.
dan friesen
I don't care, so let's get back to the clip.
alex jones
As soon as that guy with the gun starts walking off, he runs.
That's exactly what we've got here.
So Mueller now investigating Democrat lobbyist Tony Podesta.
Get more into this in the next hour.
Senate probe asked whether Robert Mueller alerted Obama administration to Russia bribery scheme.
Well, yeah, they killed the investigation.
That's all confirmed.
But see, now it's mainstream news.
Robert Mueller investigated and invested, is being investigated for investing in hedge funds linked to Russia and George Sordos.
We told you years ago that happened.
Mueller investigating Infowars expose of Dems on Russia payroll.
dan friesen
Where do you think this story is posted?
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with Infowars.
alex jones
Dr. Jerome Corsi.
jordan holmes
There it is!
alex jones
That is now all, again, coming directly from InfoWars.
unidentified
That's all coming directly from InfoWars.
jordan holmes
It's been confirmed by InfoWars.
dan friesen
Mainstream media.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Mainstream news has to admit, of course, we are now mainstream news.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but we're not mainstream news.
We're the rebel transmission.
dan friesen
We're the resistance.
We're the battle speeches about war with the establishment.
jordan holmes
But we're winning, and we're the mainstream.
dan friesen
All of it doesn't make sense.
jordan holmes
Mueller is investigating InfoWars.
Right.
Sounds like a bad thing for InfoWars.
They should not be happy about that.
dan friesen
Well, I think the...
jordan holmes
It's obviously not true, or whatever way it is true is far from the truth.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
But if you read that headline, you'd be like, oh, InfoWars is fucked.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, they're getting investigated.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they should not be publicizing that.
dan friesen
Yeah, you gotta go to your armored redoubt, Alex.
jordan holmes
Get back in that boat.
alex jones
They looted $300 million from Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac.
He did that before the president was even in office.
He did that when he was president-elect from his White House sources.
And we say the White House went with our report.
We got that from the White House saying, look at these federal documents, do a report on it to give the president support when he does this.
And now, 10 months later, he's doing it.
jordan holmes
That's a fake laugh.
alex jones
But again, the president does get the credit for that.
I just want everybody to know what's going on here.
Because there's no hiding this anymore.
It's why they're so horrified of the daily InfoWars stacks.
He calls them the stacks and the clips.
And InfoWars is in there every day from other people.
They're trying to stop that.
But Trump's like anybody.
When you try to keep him away from something, what happens?
jordan holmes
He gets poisoned.
alex jones
You tell your kids, you know.
Whatever you do, don't go in this trunk in the bedroom, and in the trunk is a stack of Playboys.
jordan holmes
Trump is a child.
dan friesen
I think Alex has a stash of Playboys in a trunk.
I think that's what we learned there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, learn how to use the internet, Alex.
Porn is free.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Come on, man.
dan friesen
So, there's a lot of problems.
I think the chief problem...
jordan holmes
I think Alex really did just explain how Trump's brain works, right?
He's a child.
dan friesen
More or less.
jordan holmes
When you tell a child...
dan friesen
He's looking for titty mags.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
That's what Trump is.
Alex, you did a great job by accident.
dan friesen
Right.
I also, I mean, like, I don't like the idea that, obviously, I mean, if we're going to break down what ended up happening here, Alex is saying that someone in the White House or Trump's administration told them...
To write an article, an expose, about the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac stuff, which, as we've discussed in the past, is bogus.
It's not true.
At least their angle on it is totally not true.
And then they made it so Trump could use it in order to push through the destruction of Obamacare.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's called a functioning fourth estate.
dan friesen
Right.
That is not journalism.
jordan holmes
That's definitely not state-run media.
dan friesen
That's not journalism.
jordan holmes
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
But, you know, the only players, really, that we could assume are Donald Trump Jr.
jordan holmes
Steve Bannon.
dan friesen
Steve Bannon.
Probably not.
He'd just go to Breitbart.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Roger Stone.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or Donald Trump himself.
That seems weird.
Maybe in a memento kind of thing.
jordan holmes
Or Baron Trump?
dan friesen
I don't think Baron's in the mix.
jordan holmes
I think Baron is in play.
dan friesen
You think that he's...
jordan holmes
Okay.
Is...
I'm going to put this forward.
dan friesen
I'm listening.
jordan holmes
Baron is the secret mastermind behind all of this.
dan friesen
It's like that movie Identity, which was great.
It was the child all along.
Spoilers for identity.
jordan holmes
I mean, why not?
If you're going to run a secret global conspiracy, you don't want to be the face of it.
You don't want to be out in public.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
You want to have people running everything for you.
You want to have a whole distraction campaign going on.
dan friesen
What better disguise a child?
jordan holmes
Yeah, now.
unidentified
Furthermore...
dan friesen
He might not be a child.
jordan holmes
Have you seen Cowboy Bebop?
dan friesen
I have not.
jordan holmes
It could be a time-frozen child.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
He's actually hundreds of years old.
dan friesen
Oh, this is as realistic as anything we've ever heard on this podcast.
jordan holmes
We're going for it.
That's what we're doing.
dan friesen
So it troubles me quite a bit, the idea that there is a two-way street going on with Infowars and the Trump administration.
But thankfully, I don't really believe much of any of it.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
So we have one more clip here, and Alex Jones accidentally says something that I think is true.
But then he, I mean, it's in the context of a lie, but the sentence itself I stand behind.
alex jones
NBC, ABC maintain Clinton uranium blackout.
CBS finds it five days late.
dan friesen
That's not it.
alex jones
That's all coming up and more second hour.
And again, I'm not bragging about InfoWars.
I'm bragging about you, the audience, supporting us and the fact they tried to brand us as fake news because they know as fake news they can't exist while real news is there.
dan friesen
That is kind of what I believe.
Is actually a true statement.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
That when people are doing their job, in terms of the media, Alex can't survive.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
He can't thrive in a world...
Where people are actually engaged with reality, with what's going on, where they know things, they aren't swayed.
Like that Las Vegas thing that we talked about at the beginning of the episode, there are a couple sites that have explanations of like, oh no, there's a triage thing going on.
You can hear in the dispatch tapes people talking about the wounded being taken from the site of the crime to a triage spot.
There are a couple.
There are five or six, maybe even seven pages of people being like, Proof that there was multiple shootings and shit like that.
There's so much yelling about the fake stuff and just about the reality.
Alex Jones could not thrive if the reality started yelling back.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
You know, it is something that I think about a lot, is that the spark behind all of this fake news, though, is people want to imagine change.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
The world we live in is fucking chaos and insanity.
And people want to imagine a world that isn't that.
Right.
So the problem is, the way to do that is to first engage with reality.
And then try to change it.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
They try and just imagine change out of whole cloth.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
And there's nothing to, there's no building block to start with there.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Like, I understand the impulse to want to use your imagination to affect change in the world.
But you have to start from reality.
You have to, we have to start from a shared reality, otherwise nothing is going to happen.
dan friesen
Right.
Right.
It's something I learned in my 101 philosophy class.
Any beginning of a discussion is the definition of terms.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
If you're not talking about the same thing, you can never hope to get to any conclusion.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So, I think we agree there, but here is the end of that clip.
alex jones
Checking hour coming up with Omar Navarro running for Congress.
Good old Maxine Waters is calling for Trump's death, basically.
That's coming up.
jordan holmes
I did.
alex jones
Please spread the links to Infowars.com forward slash show, where radio listeners can all find the free video and audio feeds as well.
And please don't forget, we're about to end the 50% off on the Brain Force.
dan friesen
Okay.
That was a little smoother.
That wasn't as abrupt.
jordan holmes
No, that one wasn't as good.
dan friesen
That wasn't as abrupt, but it is demonstrative of any opportunity.
Anytime we're going to break and I've got to fill 30 seconds, I'm going to fucking try and sell something.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that thing that he says about Maxine Waters threatening to kill Trump, a little bit overblown.
jordan holmes
Again, we already kind of went over that.
dan friesen
We didn't.
jordan holmes
Oh, we didn't go over that one?
dan friesen
No, she just said...
jordan holmes
How many different ways...
dan friesen
She just said, I'm going to take out Trump tonight.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
She could have said to a nice dinner?
dan friesen
She's been talking about trying to get him impeached for a long time.
That was the context in which she was talking.
Alex is making a mountain out of a molehill.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
When if you want to play this game, Trump said that Second Amendment people should take care of Hillary Clinton.
That's a little bit more overt.
So if you want to play this game, Alex, it's important to be intellectually consistent.
jordan holmes
No, it is not.
dan friesen
You're right.
You're right.
jordan holmes
You have never been more wrong.
dan friesen
I've been doing this podcast for ten months, and I'm still trying to...
jordan holmes
You're still holding on to that?
dan friesen
I'm hanging out on that hill, and it's where I'm going to die.
jordan holmes
Dan, it's never going to happen.
dan friesen
It is not.
jordan holmes
I think the one thing that we have learned from this podcast is that intellectual consistency is a rare, rare commodity.
dan friesen
You're also totally wrong.
That's not the only thing we've learned.
We also learned about dragon moths and a guy named Jim Semivan.
jordan holmes
I said if there's one thing.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
Now, of course, there's two.
Of course, there's multiple things.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
There are, of course, four ways to learn.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
Race memory taught me all about Jim Semivan.
jordan holmes
Taught me about dragon moths.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Do you know what?
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
I was born in Dragon Moths.
dan friesen
Is that right?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, Dragon Moths whales.
dan friesen
Okay.
Great crab fishing out there.
jordan holmes
Oh, amazing.
unidentified
Crab fishing?
jordan holmes
Amazing.
The only problem is you get carried away by Dragon Moths.
dan friesen
Speaking of getting carried away, you get carried away if you go over to our website.
I'll tell you that much.
Over at knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
See, now that was an abrupt turn to pitch.
dan friesen
But very smooth.
jordan holmes
That was pretty smooth, but that was abrupt.
dan friesen
Knowledgefight.com is our website.
You got a blog up there.
New posts every Thursday.
jordan holmes
You betcha.
dan friesen
Not necessarily bad, Alex Jones.
Yeah.
Also, we're on Twitter.
jordan holmes
You can follow us at knowledge underscore fight.
dan friesen
That's great.
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
You can go to iTunes.
You can subscribe.
You can leave a review.
You can share it with your friends and your family, but not your parents, because they probably wouldn't appreciate me at all.
dan friesen
Don't snitch.
jordan holmes
They'd like Dan?
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Dan's got a very sonorous voice.
He's a comfortable man.
He's shared some centrist positions in the past, though he's not.
Always a centrist.
It must be noted.
dan friesen
It should be clear that you're doing that as a bit.
jordan holmes
I know.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I just want to be clear that the idea of using centrist as a pejorative, I'm not super on board with.
jordan holmes
I know.
I understand.
dan friesen
But be that as it may.
It is a pejorative.
Did you already?
You already said we're on iTunes?
jordan holmes
I did already say we're on iTunes.
Leave a review.
dan friesen
We're also here on Twitch Monday through Thursday at 8 p.m.
And again, like I said, we're doing this show.
We're going to keep doing it.
But we need your help.
We need support.
So thank you to everybody who's watching live and in the chat room.
I love you all, even though you guys fucking come down on me for my taste.
jordan holmes
Let go of them.
dan friesen
It's all in love.
I understand.
I'm not taking it very personally.
jordan holmes
You're taking it a little bit personally.
You're taking it a little personally.
unidentified
But if you'd like to support the show, go to support the show.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Follow the link.
dan friesen
Patreon.com slash knowledgefight.
jordan holmes
Please do.
dan friesen
We do appreciate it, and you will become a policy wonk.
You can impress people at house parties.
jordan holmes
You know who is never going to become a policy wonk?
dan friesen
Jordan, I'd like you to look behind you.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Look behind you.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
What do you notice that's different behind you?
jordan holmes
Dan, you assume that I have ever looked behind me before.
Is it a jump rope?
dan friesen
No, look behind you.
Just keep studying the wall area.
See what you think.
What's different about the tableau that's in front of you?
jordan holmes
There's a poster missing?
dan friesen
Where is that poster?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
Dan!
No!
unidentified
This is an homage to a guy who can go fuck himself.
If you don't hang that poster back up, I swear to God.
dan friesen
What does seeing that poster on the floor make you think?
jordan holmes
It makes me think, go fuck yourself, John Rapoport.
dan friesen
May the wolves choke on your flesh.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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