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July 13, 2017 - Knowledge Fight
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#63: July 12, 2017

Today, Dan tells Jordan all about the July 12th episode of The Alex Jones Show. Topics include: Does Alex have 3 or 4 flawed rationalizations for Don Trump Jr's released emails? Is literally everything a Globalist plot? Who is the least talented member of the InfoWars team? (Its Mark Dice) Does Alex need to brush up on his Monty Python?

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
20:09
d
dan friesen
01:13:33
j
jordan holmes
44:58
Appearances
m
mark dice
03:00
r
roger stone
02:06
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donald j trump
00:27
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We are a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
That is pretty much what we do.
Ooh, that is so...
I would so much more prefer if that was Foley work.
dan friesen
That was a shout-out to Jam Sandwich Podcast, my boy Nick Rowley.
jordan holmes
Yeah, today we're drinking some Dan Ucho's Sunkist Strawberry, which I feel is not that novelty of a beverage.
dan friesen
Here's the deal.
jordan holmes
Aha, there's a deal.
dan friesen
After that coconut juice we had last time, I felt it was time for a hard reboot.
On the drinks.
We needed to go back to zero.
Because trying to outdo that would have been no good.
I just bring in, I don't know, a durian.
Good luck.
What am I going to do?
jordan holmes
I was actually hoping to bring in some Adrenochrome, but that was never going to happen.
That was never going to happen.
dan friesen
No, we don't have access to any scared children.
jordan holmes
You, though, know a lot about scared children through the prism of Alex Jones.
dan friesen
I do, and you know nothing about scared children through the prism of Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
I know scare children through the prism of my own life.
dan friesen
Hey, Jordan, you know what doesn't scare the children?
I'll tell you what doesn't.
That is our new donators.
We had a couple today to give a shout out to.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit!
dan friesen
I'd like to give a shout out to our new donator, Andrew.
What's going on out there?
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Welcome aboard.
jordan holmes
Welcome aboard, Andrew.
dan friesen
And also our buddy, Marty.
Marty DeRosa.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
We're using last names.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
You are officially a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Congratulations.
Thank you for donating, you guys.
If you would like to become a policy wonk yourself, you may do so by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the support the show link, and donating some bucks.
And if you do, soon we will have a password-restricted portion of the website that will have all sorts of goodies.
Maybe a Jordan blog?
Who knows?
jordan holmes
Who knows?
I kind of suspect I won't be getting a password.
Also, Marty should have been grandfathered in as a policy wonk, considering the fact that he filled in for me.
dan friesen
You know what?
Before we could offer him, he just went ahead and donated, and God bless him.
He's a good man.
jordan holmes
Well, thank you very much, Marty.
We love you dearly.
dan friesen
This is propaganda about how good a dude Marty is.
jordan holmes
That's all this is.
We're the Alex Jones of Marty DeRosas.
dan friesen
Indeed.
I don't know what the fuck that means.
I appreciate everybody.
jordan holmes
He hasn't committed treason one time, I swear.
alex jones
Never, never.
dan friesen
I'd like to give also a thank you to everybody who said such nice things about the return of That's What They Want You To Think.
There will be a backlog of episodes of that and new episodes coming out periodically in that password-protected area of the website.
So join up if you want to hear a bunch of dumb stuff.
jordan holmes
I wanted to dislike it just to be a dick.
dan friesen
Because you weren't on it?
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly!
dan friesen
I know that impulse.
I understand it.
jordan holmes
It's super funny and I loved it.
I really did.
dan friesen
Very nice of you and very nice of everybody else.
But Jordan, that's not what we're here to talk about.
We're here to talk about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
I mean, in private, I'm going to tell everybody it's shit.
dan friesen
Oh, totally.
I do the same thing.
I'm like, I hate what I do.
Don't listen to my show.
unidentified
Yeah, no, no.
jordan holmes
Good God, no.
dan friesen
No, it's garbage.
You know what else is garbage?
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
What we're going to talk about today.
jordan holmes
You are the master.
Master of segways.
Perfect.
dan friesen
So today, we are back in the present.
We're in 2017.
We're going to be going over...
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's my least favorite place.
dan friesen
So bad.
jordan holmes
I'm gonna get it!
dan friesen
We're gonna go over July 12th episode on The Alex Jones Show.
Unfortunately, due to technical difficulties that I had when I was pulling clips, I was only able to get about the stuff from the first hour and a half of the show.
But we're not missing anything.
jordan holmes
Nah, I doubt it.
dan friesen
I just want to give that caveat to folks.
You know, I miss the past.
I enjoy...
jordan holmes
I think we all do.
dan friesen
I enjoy the episodes where we go back to 2015 way more.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right?
dan friesen
Somehow it's less painful because it's...
jordan holmes
It's almost nostalgic now.
dan friesen
A little bit.
I get wistful.
There's anticipation.
There's excitement of like, what are we going to discover?
Are we going to find the key that unlocks the Alex Jones propaganda box?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Whereas now, I mean, like, we're just going to listen to him rationalize.
And everyone knows it.
I'm not spoiling anything to anyone listening.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
You know goddamn well what's going to happen on this episode.
unidentified
Right, right.
dan friesen
We're going to listen to Alex Jones make excuses for the Trumps.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's all he does anymore.
unidentified
Yeah, pretty much.
jordan holmes
It's crazy.
What else could he do?
dan friesen
Well, he does some other stuff.
jordan holmes
Do you think he could stealth, like, just bail on the whole thing?
Like, instead of a turn?
dan friesen
A sun-kissed strawberry soda-style hard reboot of the narrative?
jordan holmes
No, not even that.
Not even that.
Not even like, we don't support Trump anymore.
Just never speak of it again.
dan friesen
Just pretend it didn't happen?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
It's just all gone.
I think that's his angle, right?
dan friesen
This is a Seinfeld episode.
You're a propagandist.
unidentified
Yada, yada, yada.
dan friesen
You're a propagandist.
You have gone way too far.
Here's the problem.
I think he could do that, but I think there are going to be lingering consequences for the things he's done in the last year.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but his way of surviving is going to be...
He's got a Sandy Hook.
He can't turn against Trump.
dan friesen
He's got to pull a Sandy Hook and say...
Look, we just had debates about Trump.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Five years from now, that's going to be his story.
jordan holmes
I sucked his dick, debatably.
dan friesen
I sucked his info dick.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's his way of saying he's not promoting violence.
unidentified
Exactly.
dan friesen
We're just in the info war.
jordan holmes
We were just there.
We were just, look, I know it hasn't worked out the way we wanted, but that's because he was corrupted by the globalists.
unidentified
The globalists.
jordan holmes
He touched the glowing orb, and that's when it turned.
dan friesen
I told him not to.
Roger Stone told him not to.
Orbs have power.
Now, look, I don't believe that orbs have power, but globalists believe that they do, and therefore you have to respect that they believe that the orbs have power and fight against orbs.
jordan holmes
I love the idea that there's a recording of a phone conversation between Alex Jones and Trump, where he's like, Trump, hey, don't you dare touch that orb!
Don't you dare touch that orb!
dan friesen
It's just the middle of the night.
Trump doesn't pick up.
It's on the answering machine.
jordan holmes
And I'm thinking of an old-timey answering machine, too.
One with the tape deck and everything.
dan friesen
It runs out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
He's just ranting about orbs, runs out, picks up...
unidentified
That orb is going to turn you into a chimera, goddammit!
jordan holmes
It's a shirt!
alex jones
I'm going to call him again.
dan friesen
Hey, just want to reiterate about the orb.
unidentified
Don't touch it.
dan friesen
Alright, gotta go.
Love you.
jordan holmes
The answering machine is full.
dan friesen
So...
Let's get to it, Jordan.
Let's jump right in.
This is how Alex Jones starts the show on June 12, 2017.
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, I have total proof that this entire attack on Donald Trump Jr. is a total hoax.
The breathless media that's given us so many other big lies is acting like this is the end because it's the end for them.
They are the regional party.
They're losing control.
That's why they have Scarborough, who's never really a Republican, saying he's leaving them to create this illusion because they're imploding.
dan friesen
No one cares about Joe Scarborough.
jordan holmes
No, I still don't care about Joe Scarborough.
dan friesen
Also, let me ask you this.
jordan holmes
What?
No, of course he's fucking lying.
Who gives a shit about Joe Scarborough?
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
He's saying that publicly, and then the next time the Republicans are like, hey, we should cut taxes for the rich, he's like, I'm back in, guys!
Fucking love this shit!
dan friesen
Every time I'm out, they pull me back in.
But let me ask you this.
You heard Alex start the show by saying he has proof.
jordan holmes
Total proof.
dan friesen
Total proof.
jordan holmes
That it is a total hoax.
dan friesen
Let me ask you.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Do you think he does?
jordan holmes
You know what?
Because I'm a dreamer, yes.
dan friesen
You're going to get deported if you're a dreamer.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
You better not say that on a public broadcast.
I won't do that.
jordan holmes
Now I just want to entertain the fantasy that he is right and he has total proof and it's like, fuck!
dan friesen
Wow, Alex.
jordan holmes
Goddammit, Alex!
dan friesen
So, for those of you who I can't imagine who you might be out there who doesn't know what this is about, Donald Trump Jr. is a dum-dum.
jordan holmes
Also, if you're only getting your news from us...
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
That's the best thing you could do.
dan friesen
You are woefully uninformed.
jordan holmes
No, fuck the Washington Post, the New York Times.
David Brooks is in the New York Times.
I'm not saying that negative things should happen to him through the cause of other people doing it, but I am saying that if karma is real, he will choke to death on a regular burger.
dan friesen
Not a prosciutto burger?
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
Jesus, what a fuck.
That column was the definition of gauche.
I use that sort of word.
jordan holmes
I don't like that word.
dan friesen
I use that sort of word.
jordan holmes
I feel very...
dan friesen
For the New York Times bougie crowd.
jordan holmes
I feel very intimidated by that word.
dan friesen
So, Donald Trump Jr.
jordan holmes
I prefer a taco.
dan friesen
That article was taco.
So, Donald Trump Jr. is really dumb.
And there's no way around that.
He...
Was involved in a meeting back in July of 2016, I believe.
Is that right?
July?
I think that's right.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Or is it June?
Who knows?
Who cares?
And he released the emails that set up this meeting after the New York Times and Washington Post were going to publish them.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
They already had access to them, so he was like, fuck, let's get ahead of this thing, and released these emails.
They are correspondence between him and a gentleman by the name of Rob Goldstone, who is the publicist for a Russian recording artist named Emin, whose dad is an oligarch.
jordan holmes
We live in a clown car, right?
This is what's happening right now.
dan friesen
His dad is an oligarch, who is very rich, and is a close associate of both Putin and Donald Trump Sr.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Donald Trump Jr. gets this email from Rob Goldstone.
And, conveniently, Alex Jones and Fox News both don't actually talk about what's in the email.
jordan holmes
I don't think they feel like it's very important.
dan friesen
Nope.
So here, I will read it here.
So we will be above board and giving all the information.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Good morning.
E-Min just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.
The Crown Prosecutor of Russia, which apparently isn't a real position.
I've read that that is not a position.
jordan holmes
Why would there be a Crown Prosecutor?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Do they have a king?
dan friesen
I don't know.
Maybe, basically.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
The Crown Prosecutor of Russia met with his father, Aras, this morning.
And in their meeting, offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and be very useful to your father.
This is obviously very high-level and sensitive information, but it is part of Russia and the government's support for Mr. Trump, helped along by Eris and Emin.
What do you think is the best way to handle this information, and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?
Now, the important piece of this is this is obviously very high-level and sensitive information.
But is a part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump.
That part has been cut out of Fox News.
jordan holmes
That was my favorite part.
That little chyron where they have, like, there's an ellipsis right where.
Like, that's an amazing thing for them to do where it's like, we have the first part of the sentence, ellipsis, and then the last part of the sentence.
Like, guys, at least try.
You're not even trying anymore.
dan friesen
Then Donald Trump Jr. writes back, Thanks Rob, I appreciate that.
I'm on the road at the moment, but perhaps I just speak to Emin first.
Seems we have some time, and if it's what you say, I love it.
Especially later in the summer.
Why?
Because that would be a time when it's more politically damaging.
unidentified
Probably.
dan friesen
Could we do a call first thing next week when I'm back?
So they write a little bit back, just back and forth trying to schedule a time to have a call.
And here we go.
Those were on June 3rd, those emails.
And on June 7th, at 4.20 p.m., Rob Goldstone writes, Don, hope all is well.
Emin asked that I schedule a meeting with you and the Russian government attorney who's flying over from Moscow for this Thursday.
I believe you're aware of the meeting and so wondered if 3 p.m. or later on Thursday works for you.
I assume it would be at your office.
Donald Trump Jr. writes back, how about three at our office?
Thanks, Rob.
I appreciate you helping set it up.
So, the issue...
Oh, and he also writes back and says, great, it'll likely be Paul Manafort, the campaign boss, my brother-in-law and me, and then gives the address of Trump Tower.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So, he is saying that Paul Manafort...
jordan holmes
I love that he gives the address, like...
It's at Trump Tower.
dan friesen
Google Maps!
jordan holmes
Google Maps!
Come on!
dan friesen
You know where it is.
You checked in on Facebook, you dum-dum.
So, the issue that really comes up about this is twice in this email chain, Rob Goldstone makes perfectly clear that this is about the Russian government's support of Donald Trump's campaign and that the person he would be meeting with is a government lawyer.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Or a lawyer connected with the government.
So, let's take...
Everything out of the equation.
Let's say, worst case scenario, this is a democratic plot.
It's a globalist plot.
Let's just say that for the sake of argument.
jordan holmes
I'm in.
unidentified
I'm in.
dan friesen
So it's a globalist plot to set up Donald Trump Jr.
jordan holmes
Which, once again, my narrative, of course, is that Obama is the reason we have Trump in order to punish white people for all the things that they did to him.
dan friesen
So Obama got Rob Goldstone to write these emails to Donald Trump Jr.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
In this bizarre hypothetical.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
There is no Russian lawyer.
jordan holmes
No, Obama didn't do it himself because Obama...
Is brilliant.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So Obama went through at least four or five channels of plausible deniability.
I was speaking in the- At the very least, Obama used signal.
Like, you can't get my emails because I use end-to-end encryption.
At the very least, like, if New York Times- Yeah.
dan friesen
I was speaking in the royal Obama.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
I'm frustrated.
dan friesen
The plural Obama.
The entity known as Obama.
unidentified
All of Obama entities and cutouts and what have you.
dan friesen
So even if that's the case, Donald Trump Jr. probably committed a crime, even if there is no other person on the other end of this.
jordan holmes
There's no probable.
He committed a crime.
dan friesen
He indicated willingness to accept confidential information from the Russian government.
jordan holmes
Fucking...
unidentified
A hostile foreign power.
jordan holmes
To catch a predator, guys, are less gullible than Donald Trump Jr.
dan friesen
It's bananas.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And the further problem...
I would say the bigger issue is that there's timestamps on this, and you can trace back what was going on around the campaign at this time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and the...
dan friesen
That evening of June 7th, during the afternoon, they had formalized this meeting that they were going to have.
And that evening, Trump gave a speech where he said, next week, I'm going to lay out the truth about Hillary.
Yep.
unidentified
That can't be a coincidence.
dan friesen
I mean, that's not a coincidence.
If you believe it's a coincidence.
I'm sorry, that big speech that lays out the truth about Hillary didn't happen.
Further, because it's time stamped on the 7th and the 3rd, all this, and because Paul Manafort...
And Jared Kushner are on there.
There is no way that they can really claim at any point past then they didn't know that the Russian government had a preference for Donald Trump to be the president.
jordan holmes
Now, I didn't double-check, but were they BCC'd?
dan friesen
No.
No.
jordan holmes
How are these people so dumb?
dan friesen
Very tacky not to BCC'd.
jordan holmes
Yeah, come on, man.
Very frustrating.
dan friesen
But it does...
jordan holmes
That's like a work email, dude.
dan friesen
I mean, the biggest thing for me is that, you know, there is awareness that is solidified by these emails.
They have to know that the Russian government wants Trump to win.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And that makes every statement indicating that, oh, we had no idea, a lie past that point.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And because they have consistently lied, whether it's under oath or in public, in speeches...
Every time they lie is an opportunity for blackmail to be created by Vladimir Putin or any other hostile entity, maybe a mob of some sort that has access to this information.
jordan holmes
A consortium?
dan friesen
Sure, a consortium on the East Coast that Donald Trump might be the front man for.
jordan holmes
Who may be laundering money for.
dan friesen
Right.
So this is crazy fucked up stuff.
And it's not a hoax.
The part that Alex Jones might want to focus on...
He might be able to dance hoax circles around.
unidentified
Total hoax.
dan friesen
But the truth, the reality, and it's Donald Trump Jr. released these emails.
jordan holmes
It's stark and clear.
dan friesen
This isn't some sort of he said, she said, or sources say.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
This is legitimately straight from him.
jordan holmes
Right.
Now, here is my question to you.
The emails were coming out, no matter what.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
It was Kushner.
So is Junior, is he actually stupid for releasing them himself?
Like, because that's the bit on Twitter.
It's like, how dumb could you be to release these emails?
They were coming out anyways.
Why not just throw them out there if you're Junior?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know enough legally to know if it was smart or not.
I have no idea.
But I do think that just being involved in this sort of shit makes you stupid.
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
What it reveals is a dumb person.
jordan holmes
Insanity.
dan friesen
But I don't know.
I mean, I guess that there's some sort of power you can take in being able to direct the narrative a little bit.
I don't think he's succeeded in doing that.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
But I don't know.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I mean, I just kind of, like, for some reason in my head, reading this whole story.
The part of people clowning on Junior for releasing it, that seems silly to me.
Now, maybe even better?
Maybe even more stupid for him is that if he had let the New York Times release it, then they still have your...
anti-media narrative going.
Right.
unidentified
You know, you can still be like, ah, New York Times is bullshit.
jordan holmes
New York Times doesn't do anything.
But when Junior releases himself, All right, you fucking did it.
There's no anti-media narrative on this either.
dan friesen
No, and it really takes away from the, like, they'll dig up anything to take us down.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
You do actually lose a lot of leverage.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So maybe it was stupid.
jordan holmes
They made it up.
No, now that I think about it, that was the single dumbest thing I think I've ever seen anybody do.
dan friesen
If you allow Washington Post, New York Times to come out with it, you give the pro-Trump media, the Cernovitches and Alex Joneses of the world, Right.
And so let's get to this next clip.
jordan holmes
More spinning than...
Is humanly possible.
dan friesen
More spinning than a goddamn cotton candy machine.
jordan holmes
There you go.
More spinning than a fidget spinner for our younger listeners.
dan friesen
Still don't know what that is.
jordan holmes
Don't worry about it.
It's not important.
People bought Pet Rocks.
Who cares?
dan friesen
Enjoy it.
Here's Alex pretending that he doesn't really understand what this is about, but he knows damn well.
alex jones
If you look at mainstream media, it's hoax war.
Every time they give us another Russia nothing burger.
It doesn't matter how many internal videos we have from CNN or MSNBC admitting they know it's a fraud.
They just continue to recycle the same old lies.
Last night it's breaking.
Trump had a beauty pageant in Russia and shook hands with a Russian billionaire.
Here's the photo.
We saw that a year ago, last July.
We saw that a month ago.
We saw that yesterday.
They just keep recycling the same...
Six or seven nothing burgers.
If we had Donald Trump Jr. talking about selling out U.S. concessions on uranium for $30 million or selling out missile secrets to China or Russia, I would say that we need to basically arrest him.
dan friesen
Okay, well, at least we got a baseline there that is going to be used against you by us later, Alex.
jordan holmes
I will be counting the number of times he says nothing burger.
dan friesen
I think that might be the only time in the clips that I took.
jordan holmes
Ah, that's disappointing.
He does say it a lot, though.
Yeah, yeah, because that's the...
Who is that, Priebus or whatever?
dan friesen
No, it was Van Jones.
jordan holmes
I think it was somebody higher up who was like...
dan friesen
No, because it was from the Project Veritas video.
It was...
Van Jones said that Russia was a nothing burger in one of their heavily edited behind-the-scenes exposés that are inaccurate and should never be believed.
I mean, James O 'Keefe has been sued multiple times successfully for defrauding people.
jordan holmes
Still not enough.
dan friesen
Yeah, so this is, Alex loves this, like, this idea.
Okay, here's why 2017 is so fucking boring for me.
I know all his tricks already.
jordan holmes
Oh, you mean just within the Alex?
Because it's basically the most exciting time in the history of America.
dan friesen
No, I'm fascinated by all that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the only problem is it's also the time where we no longer be, you know, America.
dan friesen
And survive.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
The thing, Alex Jones' tricks, I know them all already, and it's just not...
Like, I like to learn.
And so, gay.
Well, for a while, we were sort of getting, engaging with Alex and figuring out what's going on and researching stuff and sort of getting a sense for his little tricks that he does.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And the one he did there is, like, they just keep recycling stories.
And I would posit that Alex keeps recycling not necessarily stories, but tactics.
Because this is the same thing he did with the Jeff Sessions stuff.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And he's like, this is the same story recycled from a couple months ago.
jordan holmes
Who also committed perjury.
dan friesen
Well, that was one of the stories.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And the other story was lying on his clearance forms.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Just like Kushner, who also committed perjury.
dan friesen
Right.
He's like, this is the same story recycled.
jordan holmes
And Donald Trump, who also committed perjury.
Paul Manafort, who also committed.
Everybody.
Are crimes real?
dan friesen
Mm-mm.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
Mm-mm.
jordan holmes
Good.
dan friesen
Nope.
Nope.
jordan holmes
I'm glad we live in fantasy life.
dan friesen
This is political Grand Theft Auto.
It doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, what he's doing there is hearkening back to a little trick, a little story that he tells of, like, they're just recycling stuff, as a way to hearken back to when he made that argument before, and there's familiarity in his audience's mind of, like, oh yeah, they do always do that.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
That's a really good point.
dan friesen
It's rhetorically smart, but at the same time, it's not at all, because he doesn't actually say what the stories are.
He's pretending that everyone is making a big deal out of Russia.
jordan holmes
Out of the stories that he's already covered and already spun.
So he's basically lowering his workload.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Well, it would be very hard.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This would be incredibly hard.
But he's saying, like, oh, yeah, Trump went over to Russia to do a beauty pageant, and he met a rich guy.
It's like, that's not what people are mad about.
jordan holmes
Peed on a lady.
dan friesen
But, I mean, that's going to come up a bunch.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
That is his, like, way of not dealing with the steel.
jordan holmes
Oh, he is going to talk about how he peed on a lady?
dan friesen
Well, he's not going to talk...
I mean, he's going to use that as a way to deflect from the steel dossier.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
He's going to use that as, like, all that is is about piss.
Like, no, not really.
jordan holmes
It's very little about piss.
In fact, the piss part is fun to talk about, which is why, you know, it's very tabloid.
And very Twitter.
Yeah, that's the reason that it got all that noticeability.
In the same way that with Alex, you know, the Schiff rant got all that noticeability, but nobody's talking about how he's drunk off of his fucking ass.
dan friesen
And teaches us how to learn.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I agree.
It's exactly the same thing.
It's deflection.
And I don't...
Who cares?
jordan holmes
I want to see the piss tape, basically.
dan friesen
It'll come.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It has to be real now, right?
dan friesen
I would assume so.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, the other trick that he's got to do is because this story, if taken at face value, is incredibly difficult to argue around.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's very difficult.
What you have to do is you have to attack the players involved.
And so Alex's big modus operandi is to...
I used the wrong word there.
Let's say his tactic is to attack the lawyer.
The Russian lawyer that was in the meeting.
jordan holmes
Okay, now that I like.
I like that.
dan friesen
You like that?
jordan holmes
I like that tactic.
I think that's a good one.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Because that combines his audience's innate Russophobia, which they've really kind of gotten over with the whole thing, but it's still there.
These are Cold War people.
unidentified
Yeah, his audience is mostly over 50. Exactly, exactly.
jordan holmes
It's still in their hearts, right?
So you go after the Russian lawyer who is essentially...
A blameless stooge?
dan friesen
Most likely.
jordan holmes
Who's getting a kickback.
Like, they're at least getting a finder's fee, you know?
dan friesen
We'll go into her a little bit more down the road, but let's see Alex's first take on this.
He starts by talking about the difference between globalists and...
I don't know.
He starts by saying something bad about globalists.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
You're talking serious espionage, but they're globalists.
They're selling everybody out.
And as long as you're selling out all the nation states and screwing people over, the globalists are all for it.
But the claims that he met for 15-20 minutes with this Russian lawyer who it does turn out is hooked up with the Kremlin and who 4chan has now found and confirmed.
We went to her Facebook and Twitter.
It's true.
This Russian lawyer?
jordan holmes
Irreputable evidence.
alex jones
It said she had dirt on Hillary but didn't?
Turns out 4chan, we're posting it to Infowars.com right now, has been in anti-Trump rallies, not once, but at least twice.
Out front, Trump Tower, even holding up women with hijab signs, part of the George Soros-funded operation.
jordan holmes
Say it right, Alex.
dan friesen
He never will.
jordan holmes
Say it right one time.
dan friesen
So he's taking information from 4chan, which is great.
Always a great source of anonymous, very fact-checked information.
jordan holmes
Love me some memes.
He's the meme king.
dan friesen
He's the meme machine.
It does appear that there are pictures of her at the Women's March and stuff like that.
I don't know what that means.
I don't know, but Alex, you seem to not...
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's not a big fan of those.
dan friesen
I don't understand.
What's the problem with her being at a protest?
The pictures that I can find, they aren't really dated or timed.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but that gives him...
dan friesen
They aren't necessarily anti-Trump marches as much as they are the woman's march.
She is a woman.
So if she's interested in women's issues and wants to speak her piece on that, that's not...
In any way invalidating of her being a Russian lawyer.
She's not a George Soros operative just because she went to the Women's March.
I went to the Women's March.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but the Women's March, I mean, just by being a woman, you have to be anti-Trump.
dan friesen
I didn't actually go to the Women's March.
I forgot.
I went to a different one.
Sorry.
I just want to be perfectly above board.
I don't want to claim I did something I didn't do.
jordan holmes
There's actually a 4chan meme of you not being at the Women's March.
They got all the pictures.
dan friesen
I'm the new meme machine.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, the Women's March is not necessarily entirely anti-Trump.
No.
It covers the entire GOP at this point.
Like, if Paul Ryan says you can't have open-shouldered shirts, it's the entire GOP.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And fucking fuck you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All the time.
dan friesen
I think you expressed that correctly.
jordan holmes
Now, here's the other thing there, is just by putting her at the Women's March, his 90% old white male audience is like, Boo!
No!
dan friesen
Clearly a globalist.
jordan holmes
Everything she believes is lies!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So, it is...
I like...
dan friesen
It's smart from his end.
jordan holmes
I like it, yeah.
It's very dumb.
I like his tactics here.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because we have to put it in context of him talking to his audience.
dan friesen
He doesn't expect people like us are listening.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so it's a very smart thing when you have an indoctrinated, dumb, old white man audience.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah, because you hit the head right on the nail.
Oops.
jordan holmes
There we go.
I'm loving that.
dan friesen
You have the deeply embedded subconscious russophobia.
You have the knee-jerk instinct to support Trump and defend him and think that the media is lying to you.
And then the...
I don't fucking know if this is the women's march or an anti-Trump march.
And either way...
jordan holmes
I hate women.
dan friesen
There are women with their tops off and electrical tape on their titties.
And I think that looks aggressive.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
That's not the kind of America I want to live in.
jordan holmes
Fight them.
dan friesen
Yeah, so anyway, he has more to say on the clip.
alex jones
So is he a double agent, a triple agent?
We don't know.
But back over the weekend, Drudge had the headline, the first to make the point, was Donald Jr. set up.
There's these dozens and dozens of email exchanges and, you know, come see this, come see that.
Yeah, they've got dirt on Hillary.
And they spin the whole thing.
jordan holmes
It's a really great movie.
alex jones
Like, see, it's proof of the collusion.
First, it was that the Russians had physically hacked the election and stolen it with bots and gotten into computers.
That's what Hollywood and the EU and the mainstream media and the Saudi Arabians and the Pope and the globalists were doing ganging up on America saying we couldn't have Trump.
What they're guilty of, they accuse us of.
But if Donald Jr. is reached out to by a Russian that says they have evidence of Hillary being a Russian agent, he would be derelict in his duty as a citizen.
He would be a lazy slob.
I think he would be complicit.
If he didn't at least report it or go check it out.
dan friesen
So, I agree with half of the end of that sentence.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Report it.
Alright.
He's not a secret agent.
You know, like, this is where Alex's narrative is completely bonkers and based on some weirdo spy fantasy that he has.
Donald Trump Jr. has no business searching out and playing spy games.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He has no business to do that.
A fucking agent of a foreign power that is hostile to our interests, clearly.
I mean, they just took, like, last week, they just took a couple miles of Georgia.
They just annexed a couple miles of Georgia.
jordan holmes
Who doesn't love Georgia?
unidentified
For fun!
dan friesen
Because they know we're not going to do anything.
jordan holmes
Our Georgia or the country Georgia?
dan friesen
The country Georgia.
Russia just annexed randomly a couple farmers' houses.
jordan holmes
How long before they're taking our country, or our Georgia?
dan friesen
Won't be long.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Won't be long.
jordan holmes
Which stretch of Georgia?
dan friesen
I want the peaches!
Leave the peaches, take the rest.
jordan holmes
I do like that his angle on Junior is that he is like James Bond.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Team up.
dan friesen
A re-teaming of the Pink Panther.
Oh, man.
Was Blake Edwards directing?
No, he wasn't.
jordan holmes
No, I don't think so on that one.
dan friesen
That was the Pink Panther, though.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
I love that movie.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Yakety Sack should be playing behind all of these tweets.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's no doubt about it.
It's a caper.
It's a comedy of errors.
But, like I was saying, if you get this sort of thing, if you get...
I'm not saying this as if any of our listeners are going to get this kind of offer, but...
You call the fucking FBI.
You don't go like, I gotta check this out for myself.
Because odds are, you're not prepared to have that meeting.
You're going to get fooled.
jordan holmes
Of course you are.
Especially if you're Donald Trump Jr.
You've been dumb since you were born.
dan friesen
You keep retweeting Infowars links.
You are an idiot.
jordan holmes
And also, this has happened before.
Specifically to Republican candidates.
Because, of course.
Because, of course, Republican candidates align with that.
And they did call the FBI because people used to like America.
dan friesen
They used to.
jordan holmes
That was a good...
We had a good stretch of people believing that even if I do lose an election, I still believe in the rule of law and all that American stuff.
dan friesen
Now, let me also be clear.
If Alex Jones' narrative is correct, and this lady was setting up Donald Trump Jr., he's still committed a crime.
jordan holmes
None of this is okay!
He got tricked by the globalists!
Who among us has not been tricked by the globalists?
dan friesen
I'm drinking tap water.
jordan holmes
If you prick a globalist, doth he not bleed?
dan friesen
Yes, but it's green.
It's green alien blood.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
So, I mean, this is not a solid defense.
Because it doesn't really get the criminal intent out of the equation.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Because he's still going there thinking he's going to get information.
And they're not making, like, it's not entrapment.
Even if it were, like...
Some sort of a law game.
They're not making him do anything he's not inclined to do to begin with.
jordan holmes
And you also can't be entrapped by a foreign power.
That's still not a defense.
Like, if the cops entrap you, you can be like, ha ha, you entrap me.
If it's Russia, they're still like...
Hey, you know that's still treason, right?
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes
You know that it's still treason.
dan friesen
You were a patsy, but you were a treasonous patsy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
But the other thing that I didn't realize at first until I read over the emails a couple times is the way that this Rob Goldstone phrases it in terms of this is part of the Russian government's support of Donald Trump's.
The way he phrases it is very tall society.
As if there's already an understanding between the two of them that, oh, we all know Russia supports Trump.
unidentified
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
So, to me, that probably wouldn't hold up in a court of law, but grammatically...
unidentified
It wouldn't hold up grammatically.
dan friesen
Syntax, what they're saying.
All of that, like logically taking the pieces out of it, it really tells me that even before June of 2016, there was an awareness on everyone's part that they were in it together.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's really fucked up.
That's going to be a bigger problem for them to overcome.
And of course, that's why Alex doesn't want to bring up that sentence.
Because that sentence is big.
That sentence is fucked up.
jordan holmes
It's hard to imagine that that is not utter, complete.
Undeniable proof of...
I don't know if it's necessarily treason, because I don't know if you can do...
dan friesen
It's willingness to commit treason.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't know if you can do treason if we're not at war.
dan friesen
Yeah, you can.
unidentified
Can you?
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, then it's treason.
It's the treason.
dan friesen
You can do treason any time you want.
jordan holmes
Wait, hold on.
I feel like we just turned into an infomercial right there.
dan friesen
It's like the equivalent of having pizza on a bagel.
jordan holmes
Yeah, okay.
dan friesen
You can do it anytime.
jordan holmes
Alright, but yeah, so that means that we get to hang him, right?
We get to like literally hang him by the neck until dead.
dan friesen
I don't know.
There's not a lot of precedent in modern times.
We'll see.
Anyway, like I said.
jordan holmes
Well, I think it's cruel and unusual punishment for us not to watch him get hanged.
dan friesen
Well...
I mean, that's on you, man.
I'm gonna stay out of this.
So, I make the argument that this is incredibly difficult.
This sentence, the context of this email, the surrounding things that happen, the speech Trump gave that day, the fact that Infowars and Donald Trump Jr. started tweeting out, hey, Hillary's going down soon.
Kind of things right around this period.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You know, certainly...
jordan holmes
Which previously they had never done, which is an important...
No, no, they've said that she's going down, but this is the beginning of those...
dan friesen
Concrete predictions.
Exactly.
There's a lot more certainty to things, which indicates, like, we know something is coming.
But be that as it may...
What I'm getting at is this is very difficult to make an argument about that it's not real.
So Alex decides to go a very bizarre route in terms of justifying it.
And that is he starts using Trump's speech that he gave where he asks Russia to hack Hillary Clinton.
jordan holmes
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
That's his defense.
That's the basis for his defense.
Donald Trump inviting treason is the way you defend against your son committing treason.
dan friesen
I think what he's trying to get at is he did it in public.
Fair.
jordan holmes
Fair.
unidentified
Good point.
dan friesen
I don't want to put words in his mouth, so let's just hear his version of this.
alex jones
I want to get to a clip of Donald Trump back on July 27th of last year.
A little less than a year ago, 11 and a half months ago.
jordan holmes
Thanks.
alex jones
And what did he say there?
He didn't say it in some meeting for 15 minutes, 20 minutes with a Russian lawyer who promised to have dirt on Hillary, opposition research.
He didn't have it in some hallway.
He didn't have it in some banquet hall.
He had it at a press conference.
And he said, I've never met Putin.
I don't have Russian interest.
I know nothing about Russia.
jordan holmes
Which we can prove is not true.
dan friesen
All of those are lies.
All of those are categorically lies.
So anyway.
alex jones
I know this.
I don't care who's got the emails.
They're illegal.
There's 30,000 of them.
And I don't care who's got it.
Some guy in a basement or the Russians, if you can find them, release them.
jordan holmes
They've been proven not to be illegal multiple times.
alex jones
The media spun that thing saying, hack Hillary, Russia.
No, don't worry.
She knew she was putting classified stuff on a server.
She then had plausible deniability, like putting a briefcase under a park bench.
Then the KGB comes in 1972 and picks up the microfiche.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I put it underneath the park bench.
alex jones
It's the same garbage.
Oh, I actually left the plans in a McDonald's bag and then threw it in a trash can.
And then that way, the FBI's there videotaping and are taking photos.
Oh, you didn't know the Russians were going to come by and get that out of the trash?
dan friesen
That is incredibly stupid.
But also, I am furious that he didn't say digital Dropbox.
I am so mad.
It's right there.
That's like him talking about fucking Colorado Springs and not saying Space Command.
What the fuck is wrong with you, Alex?
He thinks that there's plausible liability in putting microfiche or secret plans inside McDonald's wrappers and throwing them away.
And then the FBI is like, hey, I didn't know the Russians were going to take that out of the trash.
jordan holmes
But you're putting them in a McDonald's bag!
Which means you know what they are.
And if you're throwing away classified documents, putting them in a McDonald's bag innocently, That brings up a whole host of questions that I need answered.
What did you order?
Do you like the pies?
What are we talking about?
dan friesen
You don't have to answer that question.
I'm the attorney for the McDonald's wrapper guy.
I can say with reasonable certainty that I've never put anything that wasn't McDonald's related in a McDonald's bag and thrown away.
jordan holmes
Oh, I've put stuff that's not McDonald's related into a McDonald's bag.
dan friesen
Well, you're going to have to talk about that under oath soon.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I put Burger King stuff into a McDonald's bag to throw it away because that is the ultimate cuck.
dan friesen
Treason.
That is treason.
jordan holmes
Now, here's the thing that I loved.
Not loved.
Here's the thing that I thought is so kind of...
What word am I thinking of?
I don't know.
Sneaky.
Which is...
When he threw the phrase opposition research in there.
dan friesen
I'm glad you picked up on that.
jordan holmes
Which completely normalizes all of that.
dan friesen
The problem is that it doesn't.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
Because getting opposition research from foreign powers, hostile foreign powers, is also illegal.
Because foreign entities are not allowed...
To donate to campaigns.
And donations don't just come in money.
They also come in kind.
jordan holmes
Wait, no, I don't understand.
dan friesen
They come in any useful things.
jordan holmes
Donations mean money.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
Legally, they do not.
jordan holmes
Okay.
What about, like, a golden calf?
Does that count?
dan friesen
Yeah, that would count.
jordan holmes
Okay.
What about a nice meal at McDonald's?
dan friesen
Yeah, it would.
If he were to receive opposition research from a Kremlin-connected entity...
That would be breaching campaign finance laws.
So there is a problem even with phrasing it like that.
jordan holmes
Right.
Yeah, but see, again, if you're listening to him, that gives you that firepower of like, no, no, no, no, no, it's opposition research, which then implies that everybody's doing it.
dan friesen
Right, and later Alex makes the false equivalence between the Steele dossier being Clinton's foreign Opposition research.
jordan holmes
Does he say the Steele dossier or does he say Dirty dossier?
dan friesen
He doesn't say Dirty dossier.
jordan holmes
God damn it!
dan friesen
That's a David Knight.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
That's a David Knight phrase.
But he does call it the P dossier or something like that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But he tries to use that as a false equivalence.
Like, that was Hillary Clinton going abroad to try and get opposition research.
Okay.
Not recognizing that when...
jordan holmes
He was independent.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And when he did make connection with the U.S. government, it was through, like, John McCain.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then they referred it to the FBI.
Which is what you're supposed to do.
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
dan friesen
In situations like that.
jordan holmes
Opposition research.
dan friesen
That's not Democratic opposition research.
jordan holmes
Also, the idea that he...
dan friesen
It began, as I recall, as the Republican candidates doing opposition research on Donald Trump in the primary.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So it's not even Clinton-related at all.
It's all Republican shit.
jordan holmes
Emails.
dan friesen
But her emails.
Anyway, this clip isn't done, and this is still on the Trump speech being a justification.
Wild.
alex jones
But they know we have a political memory of fighting the Russians.
And so they play up on that when it was the Democrats who were always in bed with the Russians because they shared the socialist, communist ideology with the Russians and basically have adopted it here long after the Russians got rid of it.
They got rid of the disease, partially, and gave it to us.
But in the beginning, the globalists.
And Goldman Sachs and J.P. Morgan gave it to them in 1917.
So we gave them the disease.
They got really sick and almost died.
Tens of millions did.
But it came back.
It blew back like it always does.
What comes around goes around.
Karma.
unidentified
You reap what you sow.
jordan holmes
Alex Jones has herpes.
alex jones
I hope you can find Hillary's missing emails.
He said that openly.
Oh, but see, Donald Jr. did in private.
What his father did publicly.
The search for truth.
dan friesen
Oh, the search for truth.
alex jones
Opposition research.
dan friesen
Opposition research.
Search for truth.
jordan holmes
Right.
So we're in Indiana Jones and the Holy Grail.
dan friesen
More or less.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I love when Alex Jones gets lost in a metaphor, like with the illness metaphor that he had there.
Because he doesn't know how to really connect thoughts really well.
So he's like, they had a sickness and they got it from globalists.
And then they got better, but gave it to us.
jordan holmes
And then we gave it back to them?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And it always comes back around, which again, that's a man who has experienced a lot of herpes.
dan friesen
Well, then him being like, what goes around comes around, karma, you get it back.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I gotta come up with four ways to say the same thing.
jordan holmes
Watch out for cars.
Learning is Jesus.
dan friesen
Wear a hat.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you're going out, don't catch a cold.
jordan holmes
If you're going to bumble, be ready to rumble.
dan friesen
So he has more to say in this next clip about that clip.
He actually ends up playing it, and he gives some fairly, what I would call, unwise commentary along the way.
alex jones
Now let's go ahead and play Trump doing in public what they're saying is the end of the world for Donald Jr.
The only crime of Donald Jr. is not being more hardcore.
The only crime is not speaking up and halfway apologizing on Sean Hannity last night saying he could have done it a little bit different looking back.
Day one, they should have said, you bet we're talking to the Russians about how you sold out our uranium and how you're a traitor.
And when we get the evidence, we're going to put your ass in prison, Hillary.
Here's Trump.
donald j trump
It's just a total deflection, this whole thing with Russia.
It is so far-fetched.
unidentified
It's so ridiculous.
Honestly, I wish I had that power.
I'd love to have that power.
alex jones
That is the fucking problem!
donald j trump
Russia has no respect for our country.
unidentified
And that's why, if it is Russia, nobody even knows, it's probably China.
Or it could be somebody sitting in his bed.
But it shows how weak we are.
It shows how disrespected we are.
donald j trump
Assuming it's Russia or China or one of the major countries and competitors, it's a...
A total sign of disrespect for our country.
Putin and the leaders throughout the world have no respect for our country anymore, and they certainly have no respect for our leader.
unidentified
So I know nothing about it.
It's one of the most far-fetched I've ever heard.
What the fuck are you fucking talking about?
We have to get involved with Putin before I have nothing to do with Putin.
I've never spoken to him.
I don't know anything about him other than he will respect me.
Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing.
I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.
alex jones
So, Trump has the pure instincts of a thoroughbred, real McCoy, Americana, God-loving.
dan friesen
Yikes.
jordan holmes
What does that mean?
dan friesen
I don't know.
It was a string of words, though.
jordan holmes
Thoroughbred.
dan friesen
Americana.
Died in the wool.
I might be adding ones myself.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
So, I don't listen to Trump.
Ever.
I don't listen to his interviews.
I don't listen to him on TV.
And you forcing me to listen to him makes me very angry.
dan friesen
I understand, but...
jordan holmes
His voice makes me want...
To rip off my skin.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And it is brutal just listening to him lie straight through his teeth.
dan friesen
Oh, it's all lies.
jordan holmes
It is horrific.
dan friesen
Almost everything he said there is a lie.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
But one of the reasons I wanted to keep that in is that there is still...
I know a lot of people are making a big deal out of the idea that he has a neurodegenerative...
Uh-huh.
And I think that he does sound a lot more coherent there than he does in any of the interviews that he's done recently.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know if that's evidence of anything, but he's certainly able to mostly make sentences.
jordan holmes
I mean, I'm sure it's more, like...
dan friesen
Stress-related, maybe?
jordan holmes
Yeah, it could be a neurodegenerative disease, or it could just be...
He doesn't like doing the job.
He really doesn't like people hating him this much.
He doesn't like all of this, and so he's just filled with anger and rage, and he knows he can't pull it out.
He knows he can't throw that out in an interview.
So he does that thing.
You know how sometimes when you're so angry, you start to cry, and you can't really handle your words?
dan friesen
Sort of.
jordan holmes
Alright, well...
dan friesen
Maybe that's just you.
jordan holmes
Fine.
Maybe I'm an angry guy, Dan.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
There's no evidence of that.
You can't go back and listen to anything I've ever said and heard me be angry.
No.
But how do you...
unidentified
Yeah, I know.
dan friesen
The other thing I wanted to bring up is the idea...
jordan holmes
I just love that...
I love that Alex referenced the interview and he's like, yeah, Junior said he could have done it differently.
Which is like, wait.
dan friesen
Mistakes were made.
jordan holmes
What and how could you have done that differently?
dan friesen
Call the FBI.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you could have called the FBI, but then they would have started looking into it and they would have been like, oh shit, they're colluding with Russia.
dan friesen
I actually have a good indication that...
There's a reason why they would have never called the FBI.
And we'll get to that here in a little bit.
But the thing I love is Alex is like, no, what you should have done is said, God damn right we're talking to the Russians.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
No way.
jordan holmes
You're God damn right we're tearing down this democracy.
dan friesen
It indicates to me that Alex is totally fine with the idea that they are working with the Russians.
They're working with Putin.
jordan holmes
He has to.
He has to be fine.
There's no other way to defend this.
dan friesen
Subconsciously, a lot of this is rippling through now.
He's tried to hold back the damn a little bit, but whenever he starts yelling, it shows.
It shows those true feelings of, like, I don't really give a shit if they're working with them.
I hate Hillary so much.
I think she kills children.
It's nuts.
He's losing his ability.
To pretend he doesn't know things by the day.
jordan holmes
Well, but that's why, like, the Fox News thing where they've been coming out in advance for a little bit saying, like, well, is collusion bad?
Like, he's just doing that.
dan friesen
Those are trial balloons.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's just doing that ramped up.
dan friesen
Yeah, more or less.
So in this next clip, Alex Jones has a little bit of fan fiction that he gets into about what the Russian narrative is, which is pretty fun.
And then he gets to some...
jordan holmes
Harry does fuck Ron in this one, doesn't he?
unidentified
He does.
jordan holmes
Yeah, okay.
dan friesen
But then he gets to some scary news.
alex jones
Scary news!
jordan holmes
What's the scary news?
dan friesen
You'll find out.
alex jones
You're not in bed with the Russians.
Hillary is in bed with their companies.
jordan holmes
I know you are, but what am I?
alex jones
Hillary is in bed with their weapons producers, for the uranium, all of it.
She's caught red-handed.
The Podestas, all of them.
Showing us out seven ways to Sunday.
Obama kills the Russia investigation during the campaign because he knows it leads to the Podesta brothers and Hillary and himself and George Soros because they've all been screwing each other over and selling the country out.
And so they're scared.
Trump gets elected.
What are they going to do?
Double down with the Russia narrative because they were always worried about the Russia narrative.
They know what was in the emails.
So in case it came out, they'd already put it on Trump.
And then once he got in, they got even more scared, so they had to keep putting it on him.
But there's Trump saying, if you have the emails, release the emails.
I don't know who's got them.
Probably China.
Probably somebody in their basement.
But whoever's got them, release them.
The story is the illegal server.
The story is the illegal emails.
The story is the WikiLeaks emails with all the crimes they're committing.
And rigging the election.
And rigging the polls.
And rigging the...
jordan holmes
Oh.
alex jones
And selling us out.
So what do you do when your whole world's coming down?
You just hoax it again and say Trump's in bed with the Russians.
And of course, as Paul Watson said, how do we know it's pure bull?
They're saying we're funded and directed by the Russians at the Federal Elections Commission with no proof and that they want to have hearings.
Oh, I bet you do.
Please throw me in that briar patch.
Please, please, please.
Please, please, I don't get one red stinking scent from the Ruskies.
I get it from our audience and everybody knows it.
What a load of crap.
dan friesen
So the issue there is that there have been some indications that Mueller's investigation will have to do with...
Bot farms and fake news and things like that.
jordan holmes
Because it would have to.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
There is a massive influence campaign that has been perpetrated, and a large portion of that is fed into by these pro-Trump alt-right ding-dongs.
And so there was a McClatchy article a while back about that, about how that Infowars and Drudge and Breitbart may become part of the scope of the investigation Are mirroring Russian talking points.
They're mirroring and disseminating Russian propaganda.
And it seems relevant to the investigation.
Now, there was an article that came out the other day in the Washington Examiner, which is a dogshit paper.
And they were talking about how that McClatchy article from a couple months ago, that the FEC might be revisiting this.
And so Alex Jones has taken that as an indication that he is under imminent federal investigation.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And he started spinning it like that to make himself a victim.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But the other piece of it is he's saying that it's about him getting paid by the Russians.
Because he knows that that is a charge that he can beat.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So he's like, oh, they're saying that I'm getting money from the Russians.
I'm not getting money from the Russians.
jordan holmes
I mean, is it a charge he can beat?
He said the Chobani thing was a charge he could beat, too.
dan friesen
Look, I'd love to get a look at his finances.
Don't get me wrong.
But I'm willing to believe that he hasn't received any direct money from Russia or anything like that.
I think that the issue is far more that he's beholden to Russian propaganda.
jordan holmes
And not necessarily because he is...
getting marching orders but because of those bots because of that bot traffic he has to be getting a Positive feedback on certain things he has an incentive So he's going to lean into that in order to get more attention right and if you've got bot farms that are giving you a Huge boost every time you repeat Russian propaganda.
You don't necessarily know that's what you're doing Yeah, but you are definitely just the same way that right now MSNBC is getting higher Because they're still talking about Seth Rich.
Yeah, exactly.
Because they're lying and making up bullshit, and everybody's kind of starting to be like, this is not news.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Now, the other piece that we have to take into account is prior context, and that's super important.
So, I am unwilling to believe that this is the first time that Donald Trump Jr. has been offered information from a Russian source or some seedy source like that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I flatly refuse to believe that this is the only time that's ever happened.
And if we go back just a couple months on the Alex Jones show, Alex Jones revealed on air that his source and Mike Cernovich's source for inside information was Donald Trump Jr.
So if that's the case, he is being fed a straight pipeline to whatever propaganda...
Donald Trump Jr. is getting from these Russian sources.
jordan holmes
Oh shit, that's a good point.
dan friesen
He's only like two stages removed, in theory, from the direct spigot of propaganda.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that's a big problem.
jordan holmes
If they're leaking shit to Jr. and Jr.'s giving it to them, then yeah.
dan friesen
That's a massive problem.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
They are active agents.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're only two steps removed from Kevin Bacon.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I think that that's why that clip of him just slipping on air and saying that is incredibly important.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, that's fucked up that he did that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding, right?
dan friesen
Quite frankly.
I think that...
Nah, I don't want to make predictions.
I was going to say when it's all said and done, that'll be his undoing, but...
unidentified
We all know.
jordan holmes
No one's going down.
Yeah, nobody's getting charged with a crime because laws don't exist anymore.
unidentified
That's true.
jordan holmes
Because the only way to get these people charged with a crime is if the FBI and the DOJ stop listening.
Like, they would have to take it upon themselves to arrest all of these people, and that is beyond what I think they're capable of doing.
So if the power is still consolidated amongst the GOP, who, in the same way that, well, in the same way that in Brazil, Tamer was caught on tape offering bribes to get the corruption investigation to go away.
dan friesen
Well, he just went to prison.
jordan holmes
No, Lula went to prison.
That was the president from 2002 to 2010.
dan friesen
I apologize.
jordan holmes
So he's the one who was installed by the Brazilian oligarchs after taking down Dilma.
And so the only reason that Tamer is still in power is because all of the people who run the government have a vested interest in keeping him in power because he's going to keep them from going to jail.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
So in the same way that the GOP can't get rid of Trump is because he's really the only one who's going to keep them from all going to jail.
dan friesen
He's keeping them from going to jail in the same sense that...
He is the reason that they would be going to jail.
jordan holmes
Well, exactly.
dan friesen
He's made them complicit in all this.
jordan holmes
Right.
And as much as people want to say, like, oh, if we get rid of Trump, then Pence is going to take over and he's going to be more evil, but he's going to be a better statesman.
If Pence takes over...
He should go to jail, too.
They're all going to jail if laws are real.
dan friesen
We need a sun-kissed strawberry soda-style hard reboot on the government, quite frankly.
jordan holmes
It has to be done, and it won't be.
dan friesen
No, probably not.
We're going to be in trouble.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
But I got a fun clip next.
Good, good.
jordan holmes
It's good to switch from hopelessness to a fun little clip.
dan friesen
I would like to point out before this clip gets played that I believe that domestic spying is an issue that needs to be addressed.
It is a real thing.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
And it is a problem.
But...
Alex Jones is fucking stupid.
alex jones
They're starving for anything.
CNN's exposed as a fraud.
The meme wars are destroying them.
Their ratings go from almost nothing to just absolutely almost unreadable.
jordan holmes
Opposite.
alex jones
On the graph.
And their answer is, they've been waiting with this.
Big question.
How'd they get the whole email chain from both sides?
jordan holmes
From Donald Trump Jr.?
alex jones
Called the National Security Agency under Obama with a giant illegal dragnet spying on thousands of prominent people with lifetime real humans listening.
Tens of millions have everything they do being recorded.
I mean, Sheriff Arpaio's office when they left.
Released just a snapshot of a few thousand public figures' names.
Michael Savage, Alex Jones, Donald Trump.
Let me tell you something.
I never had the nerve to call his private apartment at Mar-a-Lago, but I have the number.
I've got the numbers at Trump Tower, not just the general number, the other one.
Those are all numbers that were on that NSA thing.
They had an office phone number that I had a landline that I only used for radio interviews that nobody else had.
And that number said Alex Jones' office number.
They even knew my private phone number.
And this was six years ago under Obama in the middle of his administration.
They're not listening to me to see if I'm a Ruski, folks.
They're listening because they know I'm exposing their criminal activity.
dan friesen
Alex Jones just pulled out the Dennis Montgomery info.
What an idiot.
If you'd like to know why I am dancing in the studio listening to Alex Jones say those things, go back and listen to our episode about that information that came from Joe Arpaio and realize why that is a crock of shit.
All of that is complete lies.
That is so stupid.
It looks like the emails came from Kushner's team.
It looks like it is an internal setup.
Sort of situation.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So it's not Sheriff Arpaio's Dennis Montgomery-related dragnet that isn't real.
It is based on an elaborate fraud that we got to the bottom of.
jordan holmes
I would almost guarantee that if we Google searched it, we could eventually find his private number.
dan friesen
Totally.
Absolutely.
This is why I'm so bored of Alex in the present.
He's getting so lazy.
Like, there's just all these things that we've already looked into.
He brings in the Montgomery shit.
We already talked about it for three hours.
That whole thing.
Which, if you haven't heard that episode, go listen to it.
I've never been prouder of myself.
All this other stuff is...
jordan holmes
I had a bad episode, though.
He won that episode.
dan friesen
You took an L. Yeah, yeah.
All this other stuff is, like, misinterpreting current stuff.
Like, alright, that's boring.
And just all these old tricks and old narratives repurposed.
jordan holmes
I think the larger problem is not that he's getting lazy, it's that he doesn't have anything.
dan friesen
He's trapped.
jordan holmes
He doesn't have anything to go on, right?
There's no other angle.
So because he's hitched his wagon, you know, before he got on the Trump team, he's got everything to talk about.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He can talk about whatever he wants.
But now that he's there, he is under constant attack.
He is under constant threat, and he always has to kind of pull this defensive front there.
He's always defending stuff.
I mean, even his attacks come from a place of, I am fighting back.
I'm always defensive.
And so if you're pigeonholed there...
Where else do you go?
What other narrative can you pull?
None, really.
dan friesen
Everything's got to be related.
You've got to do these like, oh, I'm mad about pedophiles too, but also Trump is trying to take them down and the globalists want to take your kids.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's stupid.
jordan holmes
And that's what I'm saying.
If I was advising him, I'd be like, just stop.
dan friesen
You know what I realized?
I think I kind of got a picture of what Alex Jones' business model is.
Not in terms of what his finances are.
I'm still very curious about that.
But if you go back to the 2015 stuff that we're going over, I kind of notice a pattern of false predictions that he knows are false.
Like the Purple Penguin stuff.
Right?
He's saying that there's this gay rights organization that is trying to outlaw the use of the words boy and girl, mother and father.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's what he says.
He knows that that's never going to happen, and that's not what people are asking for.
But he knows that his audience is dumb, and he keeps repeating it.
It clicks in their mind, and they're like, oh, purple penguins.
Yeah, these fucking dumb liberals are trying to...
So when it doesn't happen, and the use of boy and girl is still legal, he gets to be like, I did that.
Because we brought awareness to it, I did that.
jordan holmes
God, if only he would bring awareness to cancer and shit, that would be gone.
dan friesen
He can't, because it's setups.
It's all setups.
When he starts doing the narrative, he knows how it's going to end.
And I think that in the case of the...
Him saying that I'm being federally investigated.
That's another one of those.
He knows he's not actually being investigated for getting money from Russia or anything like that.
So when that doesn't happen, he can be like, we defeated that.
Or whatever.
jordan holmes
We proved it.
dan friesen
He can claim a victory for a false battle that he creates.
And I think on some level, Trump was maybe a big score in his mind.
Obviously, I don't think he thought he was going to win.
And I think that it was a, like, Trump can win.
The globalists are going to not let him win.
You know, that was the narrative that he sets up in advance.
And this would be like if people really did outlaw the word boy and girl.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Like, what would he do at that point?
jordan holmes
That's a good question.
dan friesen
That Trump getting elected is like one of his failed narratives actually coming true.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think he's caught in the world of his own design.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
And he...
jordan holmes
He can't escape being right.
dan friesen
It seems very unpleasant.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
So long as he fights imaginary battles, he always wins.
This time he's caught in a real fight.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And he does not know how to do that.
dan friesen
No.
Don Quixote can beat a windmill.
I don't actually think he did, though.
jordan holmes
He did not.
He lost to that windmill every goddamn time.
Donkey Hode was the Charlie Brown of his time.
dan friesen
Alex Jones kind of gets his ass kicked by metaphorical windmills, too, but he just pretends that it's just a flesh wound.
Speaking of which, I'm furious at Alex.
I don't have clips of it, but on the show earlier this week, I think it was on Monday, he keeps talking about Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
And he says that the knight who gets his limbs chopped off and is like, oh, it's just a flesh wound?
You know, that whole bit?
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
The Black Knight?
jordan holmes
Oh, I've just...
The moment you said Monty Python and the Holy Grail, the entire movie flashed in my brain.
I know every line.
dan friesen
He calls that knight a knight who says knee.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
No!
Absolutely offensive.
jordan holmes
Fuck no.
No.
This show is over.
He's like...
I refuse to accept that.
dan friesen
He's like, ah, it's like, you know, the night you say, knee, he wants a shrubbery, and then he gets his leg cut off.
Like, how dare you?
How dare you, Alex?
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
I haven't seen that movie in 15 years, and I know.
jordan holmes
I will deal with your bigotry.
I will deal with your transphobia.
But you start coming after Monty Python.
Boy, that's the whitest thing I've ever said.
dan friesen
Nigel Farage.
Sit Alex down and show him the movie again.
You know you're the Brit that he talks to.
Oh, Paul Joseph Watson.
Give Alex Jones a lesson about your humor.
jordan holmes
Paul Joseph Watson can't watch that movie.
It's very anti-Paul Joseph Watson.
dan friesen
I would say so.
Something that is pro-Joseph Watson is white nationalists.
And this next clip, we're going to get into some dicey territory.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Alex Jones wants to tell you, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Me?
dan friesen
You.
He wants to tell you why Trump is the villain in the globalist paradigm.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
I want to play this two-minute piece when we come back from break.
Right now, powerful piece coming up that Mike Zimmerman put together.
But before we do that, I want to play why he's really the criminal, why they really hate him.
I have this clip of him last week in Poland.
We should air every segment where he said, you'll never overthrow the West.
You'll never defeat us.
He's talking about radical Islam, globalism, because they're at war with it.
The left's like, how racist of him, how evil.
It's the globalists, it's Soros, it's the Islamists that say they're going to overthrow Christianity.
They're going to overthrow our open free societies.
They're going to not have tolerance.
They're going to make us adopt their liberal, globalist, anti-human, anti-family garbage.
dan friesen
So, we've discussed a little bit this Poland speech that he gives about defending the West, and there's a lot of takes on it.
There's a lot of people who think it's just, you know, hey, he's just saying that, you know, freedom.
He's going to talk about freedom.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, white nationalism.
dan friesen
So one thing I thought would be fun, so you guys don't have to do it, is I went and checked out Stormfront.
unidentified
Stormfront.
dan friesen
I wanted to see what their take on the speech was.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
They all got the message.
unidentified
Of course they did.
dan friesen
They understood the coded language.
Look at all the white people in the crowd.
Just decades ago, American crowds used to look like that too.
jordan holmes
Holy fuck.
dan friesen
This is about all white Poland.
Isn't it great to see him there with all these white people?
Notice how a pro-white speech in a pro-white country, Poland, that has shown nationalist, not globalist leanings, is completely ignored by the Jew media and anti-Trump Jews?
Alright.
unidentified
Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool.
dan friesen
Such a sublime speech given by Trump and Poland, only to have the carefully planned leaks on Donald Trump Jr. to take some of the shine off this momentous occasion.
Also perfectly timed by the anti-white forces around Trump.
Now we are more determined to stand and fight against these venal, soulless, and destructive elements that make up the anti-white and anti-West coalition.
jordan holmes
At least they used venal properly.
Did he spell it right?
dan friesen
Nah, two L's.
Oh, no, he did.
He got it right.
He misspelled something else, though.
He mentioned, quote, our way of life, and said, you see what's out there.
Trump knows what's up.
So, yeah, I mean, the posts about it are all pretty much, they get it.
They get the message.
jordan holmes
Un-fucking-believable.
dan friesen
I don't believe it's possible that Alex Jones, for all of his studies that he's done and everything, he's so smart and so aware, has no idea how people hear things.
Of course.
I can't imagine that he's oblivious to white nationalists.
jordan holmes
Well, and Bannon is a white nationalist by everything but name.
And Miller.
Yeah, the people that he's surrounded himself with, even if Trump doesn't know.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Even if he has no idea.
Because maybe he doesn't.
Maybe he doesn't understand the dog whistle.
Or, I mean...
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Maybe he doesn't understand...
Like, he agrees with it, but he doesn't really comprehend what makes it a dog whistle.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
In the same way you can talk to your parents.
Yeah, you can talk to your parents and they'll be like, no, he's just saying he likes the West.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
They don't understand it, but the white nationalists immediately got...
All of the coded language there.
dan friesen
And this is 100% why when we go back and listen to that David Duke interview that Alex Jones did, David Duke doesn't really get why Alex Jones isn't on board with him.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And in the same reason that callers that call him don't understand, hey, why don't you two get along?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What's going on?
You're on the same side.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Everybody who listens to the words, listens to what's being said, knows that Alex Jones is a white nationalist.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He absolutely is, in the way he presents stories and all of his rhetoric, all of it.
And the idea that he's been accused of being this thing, I don't believe he'd never look into it.
I don't believe that he'd never, like, check out what they're all about.
jordan holmes
Alex?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That, well, then we get into the question of, does he read any of the shit that, like, if he doesn't read any of the shit that he puts on his show.
dan friesen
He probably reads white nationalism message board's headlines.
jordan holmes
That's possible.
dan friesen
And it's just like, Trump gives great speech.
Alright, great.
So, I have a position that's pretty, it's pretty strongly felt that Alex Jones is at least beholden to white nationalist narratives and is...
Subconsciously or consciously supportive of that white identity.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Now he has a really funny clip here where he imagines what a historical leader of the past might have thought about him.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
Which one?
alex jones
It's only people that are quasi-establishment, like old Republicans and Democrats and people that still think they have any power.
All Megyn Kelly did attacking us was make people love us more and give us more support.
People are like patting me on the back saying, man, you're taking a lot of heat.
Taking a lot of heat from disgraced scum?
It's wonderful to have filth.
Imagine in 1944 if I was alive and Hitler came out and said, Alex Jones is horrible and evil.
jordan holmes
Nope.
alex jones
You think people be buying me lunch?
These people are a joke!
dan friesen
I don't think that Hitler would not like Alex.
jordan holmes
I think Hitler would have been like, fuck, this guy is awesome!
dan friesen
Goebbels, hire this guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, and it even works out with Hitler's occult belief.
Sure.
The globalists have, you know, the whole thing.
Hitler would love Alex Jones.
dan friesen
They would be best friends.
unidentified
They would have hacked the election.
jordan holmes
If they had Alex Jones on their side.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I just thought that was like, Alex, come on, man.
jordan holmes
It's those guys who would have been loved by Hitler who always say that Martin Luther King Jr. agrees with them.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Those guys are like...
dan friesen
Strange Venn diagram.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So at the beginning of this week, Alex Jones just heard about that NRA video that Dana Loesch did.
The one that was very threatening.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
The one that was like, kill liberals.
dan friesen
It doesn't mention guns at all.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It doesn't even say Second Amendment in it.
It just says...
Hey, these liberals are trying to kill our president.
They indoctrinate our children.
There's fake news everywhere.
And we will fight back with the closed fist of truth.
jordan holmes
Right.
Now, here's why that's a brilliant ad.
dan friesen
Because it doesn't mention guns?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Oh.
jordan holmes
Because it makes liberals afraid.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And if they're afraid, hey, they might buy some guns.
dan friesen
That's not a bad angle on it.
That might be a good point.
jordan holmes
That's a good angle.
If I was them, that's a genius angle, because you're playing both sides then.
You're saying, hey, they're trying to kill our president.
You should buy guns to protect yourself and him.
And then liberals are like, wait a second, you guys are going to murder us?
Is that what that really means?
dan friesen
It does feel that way.
jordan holmes
We better buy a gun.
dan friesen
So Alex heard about the...
I mean, it's like two weeks old at this point, but Alex Jones just heard...
Heard about it, and he got a fucking huge, rock-hard boner, and he decided to make his own version.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
No, no, no, no, no, no!
No!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All right.
I can't wait to hear this.
dan friesen
But it's not about the NRA.
It's about freedom?
jordan holmes
No, it's not.
No, it's not.
dan friesen
Alex basically just realized that he could do a promo, a wrestling-style promo over music.
jordan holmes
Excellent.
He's just got that one down?
dan friesen
Well, Dana Loesch did it.
jordan holmes
At least he's still learning.
At least he's still learning.
dan friesen
But it's hacky.
It's hacky.
Of course.
Because it's coming so close on the tails of the NRA video.
But here, I've kept it in in its entirety.
And it...
I mean...
The background music is alright.
alex jones
And I'm asking everyone to post this video on your Facebook, on the Twitter, to retweet it.
I'm asking everyone, Paul Watson, Mike Cernovich, Roger Stone, everybody out there, Matt Drudge if he wants to get it out, everybody to get this video out because it goes further than the Dana Loesch video.
It identifies what they're doing but then explains it's globalists that want to overthrow the country.
The why.
Why are they doing it?
The final equation.
Why the left hates America.
jordan holmes
The final equation!
Hitler would have loved you.
alex jones
A discussion on rising anti-American rhetoric and what's behind it.
Learn what's behind it.
Get this video out.
It's posted on Infowars.com right now.
Here it is.
Ruthless offshore elites use their corporate liberal media to attack and demonize any Americans or any independent news that dare challenge their lies.
Five companies own over 90% of the media.
And that's why whether it's comedy shows, award shows, Hollywood, TV entertainment, the news, it doesn't matter.
It's all focused in one anti-American, anti-free market, anti-family.
And it gets worse.
These ruthless social engineers have an iron grip on our educational system and are teaching our children to hate America and that our president is worse than Hitler and needs to be assassinated.
But as America reawakens, these powerful, deep states Rogue government forces are beginning to panic.
They've even got the former president on television and in the news and traveling to foreign countries, bad-mouthing America, bad-mouthing sovereignty and calling for resistance to our elected president.
In a last-ditch effort, mainstream media is now legitimizing the use of violence against anyone that opposes the globalist take-home and against anyone who's actually trying to make this nation great again.
They are absolutely intensifying their efforts screaming homophobic I like the piano.
To make them march, to make them go out on the streets and assault viciously anyone trying to exercise their free speech.
International criminals like George Soros are openly put...
The beatings, the stabbings, the shootings, the burning cars, the looting of shops, the execution of police officers.
All of this leads to the destabilization.
To the martial law that the deep state and the globalists say they need to bring in their final takeover of America.
We are America.
And we are the Infowar.
dan friesen
And we are lying like crazy.
jordan holmes
Am I crazy?
Am I insane?
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Because isn't...
That's what that video said.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
But the opposite.
dan friesen
What do you mean?
jordan holmes
The NRA video.
dan friesen
Okay, walk me through your premise.
jordan holmes
That was calling for violence.
dan friesen
Alex's version?
jordan holmes
No, the NRA video.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
That could not be misconstrued as not being called for violence.
And there's no equivalency.
On the left, there's no...
dan friesen
Now, if that was not made by the NRA, and let's say it was made for the Conservative Organization for Literacy, or something like that, I would give it...
jordan holmes
That is an organization that would never exist.
dan friesen
But I would give it a much wider berth, you know?
Because it's not a gun ad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's not...
But yeah, I think that it's pretty difficult to interpret that NRA ad as anything short of calling for violence.
And I believe that Alex Jones' ad is also calling for violence, but it's couching it in like, hey, you're gonna have to retaliate.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
You're gonna have to be a good guy with a gun.
You're gonna have to save this country from non-white people.
unidentified
It's always...
jordan holmes
I don't understand how we live in such different realities.
Like, there is nobody calling to assassinate Trump.
I'm not even calling to assassinate Trump.
And goddammit if I'm not the person who would!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
Yeah, totally.
jordan holmes
Please don't agree with me that.
dan friesen
Alex Jones is pretty much the only person in mass media that I see discussing it regularly.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he's calling for it.
Inasmuch as he's saying that everyone else is calling for him.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He's trying to do some sort of weird...
jordan holmes
Oh, God, can you imagine how happy you'd be if Trump was actually...
Oh, that would...
dan friesen
He'd be thrilled.
jordan holmes
That would save his ass in so many different ways.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
That would make him a hero.
dan friesen
He'd be a prophet.
Oh, yeah.
But, I mean, still just with his old white base.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It still wouldn't matter.
In the mainstream.
jordan holmes
Right, but that would get him off the hook of so many different things.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
And it would give him a narrative that he could take anywhere.
dan friesen
And Pence would become president, and he doesn't like Pence all that much, so he'd have a new enemy in power.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
The game could reset, more or less.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because Hillary is not...
You can't do that anymore.
He does.
We're done with Hillary.
dan friesen
Boy, does he still.
jordan holmes
I know, but it's boring.
It's boring when your villain...
dan friesen
It's impotent.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It's boring when your villain can't actually do anything.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, if every James Bond villain was just kind of like a little baby.
dan friesen
Or poor.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or if you had a poor James Bond villain who was in a wheelchair.
Oh, boy.
Anyway, we're going to take a little side tour here.
A little sidetrack.
Okay.
This is a big news day.
There's a lot going on.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But, Alex Jones...
jordan holmes
All of it bad for Trump.
dan friesen
Alex Jones is so bad at his job.
That he can't cover all this stuff, so he decides to take a nice five minutes out of his show to air a Mark Dice video.
Now, we've played a number of Mark Dice videos where he goes out on the street and asks people questions and doesn't get the response that he pretends he gets.
In this clip, this is the other version of Mark Dice videos, where he does cultural commentary, is what I would say.
And I want to keep this in entirely.
It's very...
Bad.
It's dumb.
But I want to illustrate a couple things.
First, that Mark Dice is terrible.
And second, that on this day, when we're post-Donald Trump Jr. revealing these emails that basically spell out a conspiracy, Alex Jones takes this much time out of his fucking show to play this.
jordan holmes
Well, before we do that, there is one thing about that video.
Is just such proof that nobody else at InfoWars has any talent.
Like, his voiceover in that video is good.
dan friesen
It's good.
jordan holmes
It's well-timed.
dan friesen
How many takes do you think that took, though?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
One.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
Alex Jones is like Sinatra.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I do one take.
I do one take.
No, but it uses great dynamics.
He uses different tones.
dan friesen
It's all stolen from that NRA video.
jordan holmes
No, of course.
But still.
But even then, none of his people could do that.
Like, all the times that we've heard voiceover, especially from your Paul Joseph Watsons or whatever.
dan friesen
Or John Bowne.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's garbage.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's pretty bad.
jordan holmes
It's edited terribly, and they don't know what the fuck they're doing.
Alex does have talent.
dan friesen
Yeah, totally.
jordan holmes
There's no denying that.
dan friesen
I would say that Paul Joseph Watson is also a pretty talented propagandist in terms of the way he makes his videos that he posts.
Granted, I haven't made you watch any of those.
Okay.
jordan holmes
Because you don't want me to kill myself.
dan friesen
Yeah.
They're effective, but also it's just like, you're just fast-cutting lies.
It's just fast-cut video lies and him looking like he's going to cry.
But be that as it may, here is one of the worst.
jordan holmes
I hope he eats all the paper.
dan friesen
I did decide if we ever get into an argument with him, my defense is going to be...
Go eat a book.
Please leave me alone.
jordan holmes
Maybe then you'll fucking learn something.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That is also one of the four ways to learn.
dan friesen
Eating books.
jordan holmes
Eating books.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
So here is one of the least talented members of the Infowars family, Mark Dice.
alex jones
And get into the latest on Donald Trump Jr. and where I think all that's going.
And the latest on North Korea and so much more.
Also what's happening with Obamacare.
What's happening with tax cuts.
That's all coming up ahead of all these guests we have today.
I want to play this report.
Not liking Amy Schumer is sexist.
Again, her show has one star or less on Netflix.
They take away the star rating program.
They force feed her on the front pages of Netflix, Amazon, everywhere.
You reject it.
You don't want to hear this man-hating person that tries to teach women their identity as loving Hollywood and hating men so that men turn further away from women and vice versa.
Men are then taught to be arrested development idiots as well.
This is all an attack on the species, killing chivalry.
And Mark Dice breaks it all down, not liking Amy Schumer.
As sexist, here it is.
dan friesen
So we'll get to the video in just a second, but I want to point out a couple things.
First...
jordan holmes
I'm glad somebody's finally going after this.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think now is the time to capitalize.
Certainly.
dan friesen
The big news.
The big important stuff we've got to cover.
jordan holmes
What was that production meeting like?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Was Mark Dice just like...
dan friesen
No, Mark Dice works independently.
jordan holmes
He lives in L.A. Okay, so Mark Dice has finally just like...
You know what?
I gotta get this out.
I don't care what news day it is.
I don't care what's going on.
It's time somebody took down Amy Schumer.
dan friesen
Right, because no one else is.
A couple things that are important to point out.
Mark Dice is going to mock the idea of sexism and then be incredibly misogynistic.
jordan holmes
Who would have guessed?
dan friesen
But then beyond that, I need to say this very clearly.
The reason that she has a one-star rating on Netflix...
Is because of brigading.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's because of these men's rights dudes, these alt-right dudes who go and just, in mass...
We have one-star reviews.
Online reviews that are under attack, like the Ghostbusters trailer and stuff like that.
It's this talking point they can use.
Oh, it's got one star, it's terrible.
You know goddamn well why it has one star.
jordan holmes
It's the same bot farm.
It's the same bot farm kind of idea.
dan friesen
At the same time, I don't think Amy Schumer's stand-up is that great.
It's not sexist for me to say that, because I'm coming at it from a position of, I think some of her premises are a little stale.
Some of the stuff she does is really funny, but I have other comedians like Maria Bamford I'd much rather watch.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So the position that they're coming from is regrettably sexist.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, here's the Dice Man.
The Diceman cometh!
jordan holmes
Maria Bamford, Sarah Silverman, fuck, I would, goddammit, Kristen Toomey in Chicago, fuck yeah!
dan friesen
Sure, sure, Laurie Kilmartin, any number of women are hilarious.
jordan holmes
Karen Kilgariff?
dan friesen
But that's not the argument we're having.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's not the one we're having?
dan friesen
No, no, we're having an argument.
jordan holmes
That's the argument I want to have, though.
dan friesen
How about people who are funnier than Mark Dice who are also named Dice?
Andrew Dice Clay.
jordan holmes
I actually disagree.
dan friesen
Andrew Dice Clay's son.
jordan holmes
At least you can enjoy Mark Dice from an ironic angle.
dan friesen
I like Dice, man.
Who cares?
jordan holmes
Doesn't age well.
mark dice
Just a heads up, there's going to be some foul language in this video because we're talking about the demonic pig, Amy Schumer, and I'm going to play a clip or two of some of her stand-up.
And guys, if you don't think it's hilarious, you are sexist.
This according to InStyle Magazine.
Dudes, Amy Schumer is not too vulgar.
You are just sexist.
Victoria Morehouse writes, The first time it happened I was sitting at a bar with the guy I had been seeing and his friends.
I mentioned that I had just seen Trainwreck and thought it was the most hilarious thing I had ever seen, and then I cried from laughing so hard.
Who is in it again?
One of the friends asked from across the table.
When I told him who the star and writer was, Amy Schumer, he responded.
dan friesen
I'm sorry, I want to take a break here real quick to let everyone know that this article that he's complaining about was posted on April 5th of this year.
So, a little old.
jordan holmes
We got to it in time.
mark dice
The Statute of Libertations has a run out.
She's too vulgar, he said.
My face reddened.
I was incensed.
Too vulgar!
What does that even mean?
Of course, the truth is, I knew exactly what it meant.
And Amy Schumer has dealt with the issue straight on!
dan friesen
I don't know, I haven't read this article, but I know exactly the argument that it's trying to make.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And that is that people say too vulgar as a code.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Women aren't allowed to say that.
dan friesen
Right, because no one cares that Louis C.K. says the worst type of shit.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And Mark Dice doesn't want to get to the point of what this person's actually saying.
He just wants to read the article in a snarky voice and appeal to his angry male audience.
jordan holmes
Terrible.
dan friesen
Right.
Here we go.
mark dice
Vulgar is a criticism I've heard levied against Schumer more than just one night at the bar.
I've had other guys casually tell me that her jokes can be gross, and part of me wonders if it's just...
Just because she's getting real about her vagina.
And if you've read the first chapter of The Girl with the Lower Back Tattoo, you would know what I'm talking about.
Let's check out some of this hilarious, vulgar comedy.
Here's a clip from her latest stand-up special, which got one star on Netflix.
This is the part, by the way, if there's children in the room, you're going to want to turn down the volume or just watch this at a later time.
unidentified
Don't get me wrong, you guys.
We love your...
Only complaint?
jordan holmes
We want more of it!
roger stone
Mark!
unidentified
We want to do snow angels in it!
dan friesen
So, if Mark Dice wanted to make a compelling argument based on this very short and censored clip of her stand-up that's not a fair representation of her work, they bleeped out cum.
The argument that I would make is that's just a Brian Posehn joke from, like, 15 years ago.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But it's told from the other perspective, so maybe it's a little bit different, but the premise of women wanting more cum is, I mean, it's a bit that's been done.
So, if you wanted to do that, that would be, like, you know, hey, You actually know what you're talking about.
Let's see if that's the approach he takes.
unidentified
Yay!
mark dice
I'm sorry, but the last thing I want to hear about is Amy Schumer talking about having sex.
Excuse me now while I go puke.
Gee, I wonder why her special got one star on Netflix.
Maybe she'll be funnier in this Bud Light commercial.
Because beer commercials are usually pretty funny, right?
unidentified
Bud Light Party here to discuss equal pay.
Women don't get paid as much as men and that is wrong.
And we have to pay more for the same stuff.
What?
Yeah, cars.
What?
Dry cleaning.
What?
Shampoo.
What?
mark dice
You pay more but get paid less?
unidentified
That is double wrong.
mark dice
I'm calling everyone I know and I'm telling you about this.
alex jones
This has got to stop.
mark dice
That's Seth Rogen, by the way, who just made fun of a Donald Trump supporter while he's still late in the hospital, recovering from being stabbed nine times from a liberal terrorist.
unidentified
Bud Light proudly supports equal pay.
That's why Bud Light costs the same no matter if you're a dude or a lady.
mark dice
Yeah, Mom, you have to pay more for a car than Dad.
alex jones
No one treats my mom like this.
mark dice
By the way, this is not a Saturday Night Live skit.
This is a real Bud Light commercial.
Somebody actually thought it would be a good idea to market beer by promoting feminism.
And then somebody had you, I'm just kidding.
It was Amy Shannon explaining why so many people just don't If you say the name Hillary Clinton You know, in America, you get incredible responses.
unidentified
There'll be those who love her, and there'll be those with visceral hatred on their faces.
Well, that's what I'm saying with the not being informed, because those people aren't informed.
You know, if you go, why don't you like Hillary?
They'll go, she lied about her emails.
What else is she going to lie about?
People get one fact, and that's what they latch on to.
mark dice
It was just that one little fact.
Just that one little thing.
Of course, it had nothing to do with the fact that she's one of the most corrupt politicians in history!
Just in case you didn't know, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer is Amy Schumer's uncle.
unidentified
So liberal psychosis apparently runs in the family.
mark dice
Speaking of that mental disorder, here comes a shameless plug for my new Liberalism Find It Care t-shirts!
jordan holmes
Man!
dan friesen
He's the worst.
So, I mean, in this video...
jordan holmes
He tries to sound like he's laughing at everything, but it just...
It comes off as weird and gross.
dan friesen
It comes off as crazy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he comes off with a manic energy that is not...
Very much so.
Not okay.
dan friesen
Well, the other thing that's not okay is so many of the attacks that he tries to make on her are appearance-based.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He calls her Amy Shamu, calls her a demon pig.
Talks about how he's going to throw up thinking about her having sex.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
All this stuff is not things that he would say about a male that he was attacking.
He's illustrating the very sexist position on Amy Schumer while trying to mock an article pointing that out.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
These people are so fucking stupid.
But it works.
It works.
jordan holmes
Of course it does.
dan friesen
It's amazing.
jordan holmes
You don't want to be the villain no matter how much you are.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Because that's the knee-jerk reaction there.
dan friesen
I think Roger Stone is fine with it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, yeah.
unidentified
But he's...
jordan holmes
I love it.
I kind of love his...
dan friesen
He's too old.
jordan holmes
He doesn't give a shit anymore.
He's just like, fuck it.
I don't even care.
He's got a tattoo of Nixon on his back.
That's pretty crazy.
What else do you say to him about a villain at that point?
dan friesen
I don't know, but before we move on from Mark Dice, let me say this dismissively.
You should really stick to just asking drunk people stuff on a beach.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because that is so much better than this.
Like, this work is terrible.
jordan holmes
It's really sad because he doesn't...
It's petty.
There are legitimate things that you could talk about, especially as far as...
unidentified
Like, we brought up.
jordan holmes
Well, and not just that, as far as the sexism argument.
Like, if you are told...
And the reason that in the article she points out that it is sexist is because of that coded...
She's too vulgar for me.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It's not because they didn't like Amy Schumer.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
And so you're deliberately obfuscating.
dan friesen
I'm uncomfortable with women taking that sort of an aggressive position.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I mean...
jordan holmes
And listen, I don't let them get on top.
Jesus.
That's not true.
dan friesen
Gotta move on.
jordan holmes
I prefer it.
dan friesen
Oh boy.
I don't know if that's better.
jordan holmes
Less work for me.
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
Let the woman do all the work.
You know what I mean?
dan friesen
I think Rosie the Riveter would be down with that.
So let's move to this next clip where Alex talks more about how Trump, you know, he was just trying to get Russia to help be truthful and stuff.
He's back on that bullshit.
alex jones
You've got evidence of a crime?
Espionage?
Missing children?
Drug running?
Whatever it is.
Why, call 911.
Call 311.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Call 411.
alex jones
It isn't them trying to get the Russians to manipulate the election getting into machines.
It's give us the evidence of the crime.
That's not hacking an election.
That's what Hillary was trying to do with her dossier, her PP gate that was made up.
But it's okay when Hillary goes to Russia and makes stuff up.
unidentified
She didn't.
alex jones
It's that when we actually try to find out the truth, oh, we're bad.
jordan holmes
Actually, Alex, you went to Russia.
alex jones
The conservative media piles on at Fox News, all trying to undermine the president.
The only person not doing it is Sean Hannity.
Infowars.com, spread that link.
We're in an info war.
We're going to win this against these enemies.
They're the outsiders.
They're the globalists.
They're the threat.
And they hate you and your family.
Know that.
dan friesen
I want to just bring this up because you said over the video that Alex went to Russia, and he didn't.
jordan holmes
He Skyped in or whatever?
dan friesen
Yeah, he appeared on RT by video.
And he was on Alexander Dugan's show over video, but he did not actually go to Russia.
jordan holmes
He didn't go to Russia, but his...
His essence went to Russia.
Because I believe if you are photographed, they steal.
dan friesen
It's your soul.
The only reason I brought that up is because one of the things he screams about all the time is like, they say that I'm working with Russia.
I've never been to Russia.
Just to make sure you didn't fall into one of his tropes.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
But you were taking some notes there.
jordan holmes
I mean, the hacking the election thing is both true At this point.
And the worst part is, it's un...
It's uninvestigated.
Nobody's actually looking into it.
All of the states who have been interviewed about it, all of the attorney generals and all of those people in their election committees or whatever it is, they've all said it probably didn't happen.
And none of them have actually looked into it.
So it's hard to imagine with these voting machines and with what we know that the Russians can do as far as tearing down a grid and all of this stuff.
It's hard to imagine that they would think it beyond them.
They were like, oh, even we wouldn't do that.
dan friesen
Yeah, and there is something to be said for, like, alright, maybe you don't actually flip switches and change votes and what have you, but just hacking the voter rolls preemptively, there's ways you can purge people from voting, and that's as good as changing votes, quite frankly.
Making it so people who can vote aren't able to.
jordan holmes
A classic GOP technique as well as Russian.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Alex is kind of full of shit there.
jordan holmes
And he does call out Sean Hannity, which is becoming like, oh, they're the same guy at this point.
Like Hannity is unhinged now.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He's kind of crazy, but he's lost it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, it's gone.
Even by Fox News standards, he's insane.
dan friesen
You know why?
Because Glenn Beck disappeared.
They needed a second guy.
They needed a pseudo-Alex Jones that always has to be one.
And Glenn Beck disappears.
Gotta plug in Hannity.
jordan holmes
And then you got Tucker Carlson being a whiny little...
dan friesen
He's not really Alex Jones-y, though.
He's more MRA-ish.
He's fratty, trust-fundy, douche-bro kind of Republican.
The thing that's starting to dawn on me, too, is this might actually end up being a bigger speech than I mean it to, so scrap it in.
jordan holmes
We will fight them on the beaches.
dan friesen
It will not be that inspiring.
jordan holmes
Okay, I'm sorry.
dan friesen
One of the things that I'm starting to realize is, as someone who's paid attention to Alex for a bit, I start to see his narratives playing out in larger culture.
In publications, in videos that are posted of Hannity and Tucker Carlson and Fox and Friends.
Oh, those fucking...
But even CNN is responding to the narratives that are being played out that are Alex Jones-style narratives.
They're Alex Jones' talking points.
I'm not saying necessarily they originate with him, but they are that...
Drudge, Breitbart, Alex Jones world of narratives.
Whereas before, there was a distinct difference between the stories that Alex Jones would tell in his wacko bubble and the stories that were even on Fox News.
There would be a line between them, and now there's not.
There is just those worlds are essentially come together.
And the thing that I think is super irresponsible is that I see people talking about how dumb they are.
You know, people writing articles, people on MSNBC or CNN talking about how these things are stupid.
And none of them are addressing the fact that when you talk about an Alex Jones narrative, you can't talk about it outside of this umbrella of globalists.
And like, you can't.
unidentified
Fair.
dan friesen
Because if you don't, you're not getting why he's mad about X, Y, or Z. So even Media Matters, I know they're aware of it, and they've probably talked about him being obsessed with globalists at some point, but even when they post these videos of Robert David Steele coming on and talking about Mars bases, when they drop that Peter Schiff rant about Adam Schiff.
Peter Schiff is the guy who tells you to buy gold.
Adam Schiff screaming at him, you cocksucker!
All that stuff, people don't...
Bring into, like, now, the reason that he is mad about this is a fictional narrative that he has in his head about globalists and the central bank.
And I just think that the longer that we don't deal with that, the more likely it is to become a massive problem.
If there's an inundation of Alex Jones' worldview into media, into supposedly mainstream media without an understanding of what it comes from, You run the risk of people being tricked into believing something that they don't realize what they're reading or what they're getting into.
And say what you want about Alex.
I think a lot of bad things about him.
At least he's very upfront about the fact that he believes in chimeras.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That he thinks the globalists are trying to kill your family.
At least he wears that on his sleeve.
So if you think that's crazy, you can be like, alright.
Thank you?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now, he lies about his sources and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Unless it's Donald Trump Jr.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Then he's very clear about it.
jordan holmes
Then he's weirdly honest.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And not prompted.
alex jones
No.
jordan holmes
He's so bad.
dan friesen
Do you understand what I'm saying?
Does that make sense?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It really scares me.
jordan holmes
The thing that just hit me there is that he's always lying about his sources, and you know that, because when he has a real one...
He gets so excited.
unidentified
Can't wait to tell you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he always says it on air.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No, I think you're absolutely right in that what I see happening is his pro-Trump narrative.
Because he's the only one who's really just kind of wacky and throwing out anything against the wall.
You can listen to his show, and most of it's lunacy, but you'll get like...
Oh, this is a good obfuscation right here.
This is something that I can pull and put on Fox News.
It's not the globalist.
It's not all of that stuff.
And so when you go on TV and you're a Democrat pundit or whomever and you're engaging with this argument, you're engaging the surface level.
You're not actually digging into the weeds of where this shit comes from.
dan friesen
But the problem with it is if you do dig into the...
You get rid of all the surface stuff.
It explodes from within.
Once you pop that balloon or whatever, all the water that's inside it goes...
jordan holmes
To me, it is, again, the way that the KKK was defeated in the 50s was with the Superman radio serial.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's true.
jordan holmes
It was a guy who fed all of this information to Superman about how these guys are...
Silly.
They're wizards.
Yeah, they're not, you know, they are threatening, but their power is a false front for how silly and childish they are.
And that's what these people are.
That's all of these men's rights people, all the people who say, oh, liberals are snowflakes, and then the moment they get even the little bit...
dan friesen
Well, it's like, look at the Proud Boys.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's like, they're like, we're gonna go out and fight with Antifa.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's like, you guys punch each other and name cereals as a jumping-in ritual.
You guys are fucking idiots.
jordan holmes
You're silly.
You're nothing.
Why would you want to, like...
I see all of those people that think they're joining it because they think they're getting into this, like, one thing that's going to release their aggression.
They think they're getting into Fight Club.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And what they're really doing is nothing more than LARPing.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Like, that's all that they're doing.
dan friesen
A really white version of Second Life.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
These people are, you know, on the inside, there is nothing but...
A small little boy who's afraid of women.
dan friesen
And a limp old dick.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But, hey, look.
I don't know.
I'm scared.
I see trends coming, and people need to address the idea of globalists and how it relates to rampant anti-Semitism and bigotry.
But we'll deal with that another time.
jordan holmes
And white nationalism.
dan friesen
I mean, we're dealing with that as we go along, but, you know.
jordan holmes
It's hard to avoid.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And in that video that Alex put out where he's talking about all of these, be prepared for the stabbings and the burnings and all of this shit, and all of that stuff is currently being perpetrated by the very people he's saying to be prepared for it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Well, I mean, what was it today?
In Oklahoma, some guy blew up an army recruiting center, and it was a white dude.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Former army guy.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's a lot like, you know, the opening line of Pride and Prejudice, where what it means is the inversion.
So in the same way that what Alex is saying is be prepared for the stabbings, he doesn't mean be ready to defend against the stabbings.
He means start stabbing.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
Like what he means is the inverse of what he's saying.
dan friesen
I agree with that.
And that's what he says the globalists do to us.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
It's great.
jordan holmes
It's maddening!
dan friesen
Let's move along.
We got this next clip here.
And in this clip, Alex wants to talk a little bit more about that speech in Poland.
unidentified
Oh boy.
alex jones
But what's Trump's big crime?
I'm going to play this and then come back with Roger Stone.
jordan holmes
Invading Poland.
alex jones
It's saying you will not overthrow the West.
Because the globalists are saying in Atlantic Monthly and the New York Times, we hate Christians.
We hate white people.
We hate Protestants.
We hate Catholics.
And we're going to overthrow the West.
And the best way is put our...
Pedophile Pope in and then get all those other pedophiles in there and totally take over the church that way and overturn religion and overturn everything and bring in your globalism and sexualize children like they're doing in the public schools.
Trump can't reverse the decline of white Christian America.
And again, they make it all racial.
What about the decline of the West?
jordan holmes
Oh, I hate it when they make it racial.
alex jones
They don't want any people that are middle class or wealthy.
And I know I keep...
Hammering and hammering that.
But here he is in Poland last week.
We should air this every segment.
This is his big crime.
I mean, they're on the news on CNN going, look how racist this is, how hateful.
Yes, we're not just totally open to Islam, which won't let us go to their countries.
jordan holmes
Yes, they will.
alex jones
We don't want to bring people in that are not tolerant.
You know, if North Korea bordered Texas, would we want to just merge with North Korea?
The answer is no.
It's not compatible.
dan friesen
Weird hypothetical.
alex jones
It's not compatible.
Here is that clip.
jordan holmes
Are you saying we should move Texas to North Korea?
unidentified
I declare today for the world to hear that the West will never, ever be broken.
Our values will prevail.
Our people will thrive.
donald j trump
And our civilization will triumph.
alex jones
Alright, we're going to go to break and come back with Roger Stone.
dan friesen
Yeah, the only clip he could take from that is a three-second clip, and the clip does say stuff that triggers white nationalists.
Our people will succeed.
Our civilization will prosper, triumph.
Our civilization will triumph.
jordan holmes
What are we talking about when we say the West?
Is South America included?
I don't know.
dan friesen
Not according to them.
jordan holmes
Mexico's part of the West.
Let's build a wall around them.
dan friesen
Not according to them.
jordan holmes
Europe is in the middle.
And if we're talking about Europe being part of the West, Africa is right underneath those fucks.
dan friesen
That's why Alex is really more accurate.
jordan holmes
And so is the middle!
dan friesen
It's true.
That's why it's more accurate whenever Alex really talks about white Christendom.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's why he's talking about they hate white people, they hate Catholics, they hate Protestants.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's all he's really triggered by.
That's all he cares about.
When he talks about the West, it is code for white Christians.
That's essentially what he's talking about.
And he deflects by saying they make it all about race right after he listed whites, Protestants, and Catholics.
As the groups that are needing defending.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, I agree.
dan friesen
I hate them all.
jordan holmes
I also hate the pedophile Pope, if he is indeed one.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Which, by all accounts, he is not.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I'm going to need some information on that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we're going to need some independent confirmation.
dan friesen
Now, granted, again...
jordan holmes
I bet we could find it at Stormfront!
dan friesen
Oh boy, yeah, you could.
I'm not here to defend the Catholic Church in terms of their organization.
They've done a lot of bad stuff in the past.
I'm not here to pretend that's not the case.
But, at the same time, I've seen no evidence that the Pope himself is a pedophile.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So, great.
jordan holmes
How can you possibly say that the West...
dan friesen
But this is based on that Leo Zagami stuff again.
jordan holmes
Right.
How can you possibly say that the West is at all geographical?
dan friesen
Of course it's not.
It's white culture.
jordan holmes
So why would you...
dan friesen
That's why...
jordan holmes
Why do you think you can hide behind that?
Because it's so transparent.
If you've seen a fucking globe.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Now, if the world is flat, we can divide it any way we want.
dan friesen
Well, classically, the term Western world is Europe and America.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's what it means.
And Canada, because they're white.
But, like...
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Again.
Point proven.
dan friesen
That's why when Alex talks about, like, they hate your families, he's talking about white families.
He's talking about traditional 2.3 children.
You know, you have two cars, picket fence, wife doesn't have a job.
White family systems.
That's what he...
jordan holmes
The traditional family, which is how it should be.
And that's how...
That's why all of...
That's why the Muslims hate it.
dan friesen
You know what I was thinking about earlier today?
I had this really weird, stray thought.
The world Alex Jones really wants to live in.
jordan holmes
It was Leanne McAdoo, wasn't it?
dan friesen
No.
That was earlier.
That was when I was asleep.
The thought that I had was like, the future that Alex Jones wants to live in, a sentence that could be said in that future is...
Hey, you remember when people were gay?
That was weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're right.
dan friesen
That's the kind of future he wants to live in.
jordan holmes
You're absolutely right.
dan friesen
Where it's like everybody is, you know...
jordan holmes
Remember when people were confused about their gender?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
How crazy was that?
dan friesen
That was fucked up.
jordan holmes
Remember when we allowed abortion?
How crazy is that?
dan friesen
Remember when you'd walk down the street and there'd be different races of people?
And they didn't just have their own countries?
Yeah, that's kind of...
It's really bizarre, but that's...
You know, it's not far off.
If you look at the mirroring that goes on between his rhetoric and white nationalists, and then you extrapolate that a little farther and see what the white nationalists say, like what these Stormfront people and that whole arena, what they're really into, one of the things they talk about a bunch is Africa for the Africans.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
America for the white people.
Mexico for the Mexicans.
You all have your discreet places.
Hey, have fun over there.
I don't hate you.
I don't want to kill you.
But you stay in your place.
I'll stay in mine.
unidentified
That sort of thing.
jordan holmes
Can't we carve out a spot?
dan friesen
Hold on.
jordan holmes
Let's carve out a spot in Siberia and call it just white.
dan friesen
Well, what I'm getting at, I'm not sure that's a terrible idea.
jordan holmes
White for Siberia and everybody else for everywhere else.
dan friesen
But what I'm getting at is I don't know if it's insane to extrapolate that Alex Jones is kind of all right with that idea.
Based on how much mirroring and overlap he has with white nationalism, is it insane to think that more extreme white nationalist positions are things that he is alright with?
jordan holmes
Well, at the very least, his transphobia suggests that, you know, hey, there shouldn't be transgender people.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That's what he is...
Regardless of how far it goes, there are elements where that's provable.
dan friesen
He supports an administration where the vice president thinks that gay is something that you should just be taught not to be.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Or the education secretary or whatever came out and said...
dan friesen
90% of rapes are fake.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Just fucking...
dan friesen
Just fucking kill us.
Bad news.
So, we got a couple more clips to get through, and then we'll wrap this baby up.
jordan holmes
Here's my...
Here's, I think, what is my...
I guess my fear, I suppose, is that there are going to be...
It's going to be ground up.
Right?
It's going to be from the ground up.
dan friesen
Oh.
jordan holmes
So if you have your education secretary saying that dumb shit, that means there are places that are going to reject it.
But there are places that are going to agree with her.
dan friesen
There already are.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
There are men's rights activist groups that are...
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
So then we're becoming more sectarian.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
If it's from the ground up instead of a federal kind of thing, then laws apply.
In certain places.
And that means that the country is ended.
dan friesen
More or less.
jordan holmes
But I mean, that's Bannon's goal all along.
Well, yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
And frankly, at this point, I'm halfway like, let's start over.
dan friesen
Roll them bones.
So Alex wants to shit more on this Russian lawyer that Don Trump Jr. met with.
And then I have a really interesting piece of information that I'm going to drop right after this clip.
alex jones
And now we have this Veselnitskia lady.
Who has the classic cutout of a Soros operative, who then plays both sides, popping in and out at all these Soros anti-Trump events, just like Drudge Instinct was right over the weekend saying, was Trump Jr. set up?
But only set up in a PSYOP.
From my gut level, before he even went on Hannity last night, I said, this is opposition research.
That's what I said on the show yesterday.
I said that the Clintons...
When did opposition research with this Democratic Party group and the Steele dossier in Russia trying to get Russians to basically be false informants and say that they'd PP'd on the president.
Now that's admittedly discredited.
jordan holmes
It's not entirely discredited.
And it's becoming more and more credited.
dan friesen
Yeah, and it's also not at all like the situation as it is.
Like, Clintons didn't go and do...
I mean, we've already been over that.
jordan holmes
His narrative seems to come from the idea that Russia is playing both sides now.
dan friesen
And they're not.
jordan holmes
Right?
They have a clear support for Trump.
So if you're saying that Clinton went to the Russians, then now we're just muddying everything up like, hey, the Russians fucking own everybody!
dan friesen
Right, but that is kind of part of his narrative.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
So I, as I've mentioned in the past...
jordan holmes
Judge not lest Russia be judged.
dan friesen
I have started reading Foreign Policy.
I think it's a great publication.
There's some really insightful articles on there.
There's a nice article that came out today.
I'd like to read this headline for you, and then I'll get into the body of the article.
The Department of Justice settled massive Russian fraud case involving lawyer who met with Don Trump Jr.
unidentified
Great.
dan friesen
Democratic congressmen in the House Judiciary Committee want to know why Attorney General Jeff Sessions abruptly settled a money laundering case in May involving the same Russian attorney who met with Donald Trump Jr. during the presidential election to offer dirt on Democratic...
Great.
The civil forfeiture case was filed in 2013 by Preet Bharara.
jordan holmes
Oh, the one who was fired!
dan friesen
The former U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York who was fired by Trump in March.
The case alleged that 11 companies were involved in tax fraud in Russia and then laundered a portion of the $230 million they got into Manhattan real estate.
The forfeiture case was heralded at the time as a significant step towards uncovering and unwinding a complex money laundering scheme arising from a notorious foreign fraud, Barrara said.
As alleged...
A Russian criminal enterprise sought to launder some of its billions in ill-gotten rubles through the purchase of pricey Manhattan real estate.
But, instead of proceeding with the trial as scheduled, the Trump Justice Department settled the case two days before it was due to begin.
By then, Barrara had already been axed by the president.
Barrara's assistant did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
Quote, The Russian attorney who uncovered the tax fraud scheme...
This big $230 million scheme.
Sergei Meninsky mysteriously died in prison.
jordan holmes
Jesus fucking Christ.
dan friesen
As a result, U.S. lawmakers passed the Magnitsky Act, which levied sanctions on Russian officials.
that Natalia Veleninitsky, can't read that, the Russian attorney who met with Donald Trump Jr., wanted to reverse.
Also, the attorney representing the Russian companies in the Department of Justice case, Veleninitsky, is the same one who organized a meeting with Donald Trump Jr. and top Trump campaign officials in June 2016 to offer material that could incriminate Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.
Quote, love it, responded Trump Jr. to an intermediary.
Can't think that all isn't connected.
jordan holmes
Can't...
Can we make a citizen's arrest?
What do we need to do to put these people in jail forever?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
What needs to happen?
dan friesen
Isn't that super fucked up, though?
jordan holmes
That is fucked up!
Well, I mean, it's not like it's unheard of.
dan friesen
You know what?
jordan holmes
I think that's our larger issue, is that is par for the course.
dan friesen
It's not par for the course, given all the circumstances.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I mean, no.
In this circumstance.
dan friesen
Free Barrara was bringing this case.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He's fired.
Then the Department of Justice only gives them a $6 million penalty as opposed to the $200 million that they were supposed to get because of this fraud scheme.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
And all of it is Russian illegal money coming into being filtered through pricey Manhattan real estate, which is what Trump sells.
It's so fucking clear.
All of this is going on.
And you know what?
Hey, that meeting that they had, I imagine that might have come up.
jordan holmes
Do you think?
dan friesen
It might have.
jordan holmes
Could have?
dan friesen
Might have.
jordan holmes
Might have, could have, should have.
dan friesen
Might have.
jordan holmes
And if it didn't, Velanditskaya, come on, baby!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You gotta bring it up!
dan friesen
You did a much better job pronouncing her name than me.
To be fair, I had a whole article to read.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, no, no.
Nobody's judging you.
dan friesen
So all this stuff about how she has pictures, and again, I looked at the pictures that Alex has posted.
I see no evidence that they aren't all from the Women's March.
And there are negative Trump signs at the Women's March.
I mean, of course there were.
But the idea...
jordan holmes
She was probably doing opposition research.
dan friesen
Possibly.
She's a triple agent.
jordan holmes
Quadruple agent.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
The reality is much worse, I think, than just he accepted a meeting.
About Hillary Clinton, which is bad enough.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's probable treason.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I think that this stuff is super involved in that, and that the reality of what we're seeing is possibly a massive money laundering scheme.
jordan holmes
What's really amazing is that what we're discovering is that the globalists are real.
dan friesen
And they're a mob.
jordan holmes
They're a mob, yeah.
It's a huge group of oligarchs who are stealing everything from everybody.
dan friesen
It's not non-governmental organizations.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It's not the UN.
It's not the EU.
It's not governments, except for now Trump is in our government and Putin's in his.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But it is like an international mafia.
jordan holmes
It's billionaire oligarchs.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's who is running everything.
And they are globalists!
dan friesen
Well, we're not discovering that so much as it's looking like that.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
It's really fucking scary seeing some of these pieces coming together.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And maybe, maybe that's why this investigation is taking a long time, and maybe why a lot of the people before the election who saw this information in the summer of 2016 didn't want to act on it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's actually...
That's a good point.
dan friesen
Can you imagine how, like, earth-shattering some of this would be to come out during the election?
You'd have to cancel the election.
jordan holmes
You would.
Well, fucking, you have to cancel our government right now.
It would be better if we had just canceled the election.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
But here's the other thing, right?
So this investigation does come out, and what is obvious becomes, you know, factual.
What the fuck do we do?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because that means you're going to have to try and take down fucking...
Like, it's a giant Rico case.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, you're going to have to take down fucking everybody.
dan friesen
Well, you can take down the...
I mean, you can take down the people...
And our government that are involved, but that's not even going to come close to the network and all that stuff.
And who knows what all is involved.
jordan holmes
And then you've got to figure we get further into that and you start going back into the people who poured money into Trump's campaign.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Those billionaire oligarchs.
Or even Mercer.
Yeah, how many of them are aware of all of this stuff?
And Mercer is...
Mercer is a global fucking instigator in that he has influenced multiple elections around the world.
dan friesen
At this point, what I want to do is I want us to stop speculating and stuff because I don't want us to drift into Alex Jonesy territory.
jordan holmes
And it's time to start arresting people.
That's what you're saying.
It's time to act.
dan friesen
Well, I definitely think you have enough to arrest Donald Trump Jr.
Of course.
I think he's in the hopper.
jordan holmes
He should be in jail and he should not have bail because it doesn't get more of a flight risk than a...
A billionaire.
dan friesen
Yeah, who has international connections.
unidentified
Exactly!
dan friesen
In hostile, non-extraditing countries.
jordan holmes
If anybody deserves solitary confinement, it's Donald Trump Jr.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And Donald Trump, and Jeff Sessions, and Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan.
A whole slew.
How many more do we got?
How many more do we got?
dan friesen
So many.
But be that as it may, this is all very fucked up.
Thankfully, Alex Jones.
Gets Roger Stone in studio.
jordan holmes
Excellent.
dan friesen
And the two of them...
jordan holmes
I get the feeling that Roger Stone is the only person who is going to walk away from this free and clear.
unidentified
I honestly don't.
dan friesen
I honestly don't.
I think Roger Stone is unprotected.
I think that he might be one of the fall guys.
jordan holmes
You think he's going to be a patsy?
dan friesen
Not so much a patsy, but there's a reason they've kept him so on the outside.
Like Trump saying, I haven't talked to him in a long time.
Right.
Publicly trying to keep distance.
He's never with them.
He's not a part of the administration.
I think there's a reason for that.
I think that's because he's too close.
Like with the hackers and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
You think so?
I kind of think he's just a bit player now.
If the investigation had been closed, you've easily got him as your fall guy.
Now you're going after such bigger fish than with Roger Stone.
What are you trying to do with him?
You're trying to flip him.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The same way you're trying to flip your Manaforts and whomever, you know?
You're trying to get these guys...
dan friesen
No, you extradite Manafort.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You take him back to Ukraine so they can kill him.
That's basically what you do there.
jordan holmes
Dan, that's not how we...
dan friesen
That's not American.
I apologize.
jordan holmes
That's not how we talk here.
dan friesen
I apologize.
So whether...
jordan holmes
But yes!
Ukraine!
dan friesen
Whether Roger Stone is the fall guy or not, he is the wacky guy.
And so Alex and I have a little bit of a talk about this situation with Don Trump Jr.
They're going to really give you the fucking facts about it.
alex jones
He's in the meeting with her 15-20 minutes, but he made a mistake on Hannity.
He said, well, I should have done it a little different.
unidentified
No!
alex jones
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And Trump got it right a month after his son met with him in July of last year when he said, I know nothing about Russia.
Russia, you know, isn't involved in this.
But if the Russians do have it, or the Chinese, or somebody in their basement or in their bed, release it.
They changed the subject from the criminal emails.
They changed the subject from the fact that she had 30,000 of them illegally.
They changed the subject.
She got caught lying, saying they weren't classified.
Or that Comey just got caught with the classified memos that he was supposed to give the Attorney General.
All this is happening.
But first, if you just joined us, here's Trump publicly.
Why'd you never hear about this again?
He's public.
He says it's you.
You committed the crime, not me.
dan friesen
He's pretending that we didn't hear about the fact that Trump solicited the emails from Russia.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You hear about that a lot.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what is going on?
dan friesen
I've been reminded of that by myself and various Twitter personalities.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Pretty consistently.
It's been something that's been on my mind for over a year.
Maybe about a year.
jordan holmes
George has been on my mind, but that's because they were just annexed.
How do you say that Trump was right when he said Russia wasn't involved a month after his son met with a Russian agent?
dan friesen
Well, because she was a cutout for the globalists and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
All right, well, I buy it.
alex jones
Russians got it?
Release it!
If the Russians know where kidnapped kids are, they should release it.
dan friesen
Sure.
alex jones
Justice be done, may the heavens fall.
jordan holmes
But they're the ones kidnapping those kids.
alex jones
They want to have Fox News even come out on his flank and criticize him so that he then...
Peepees his pants, a real piss gate, and then says, well, maybe I should have done it different.
You've done nothing.
They're the scum that sold us out to globalism.
They're the ones that sold us out to the shy comms.
It's the Clintons, even the New York Times admits, that gave the reactors, the North Korea, and the missiles.
They're the plague.
They're the traitors.
She helped write the TPP that Trump just pulled out of.
We're going to play that clip of Trump saying, give me the emails.
But do you agree with me, Roger Stone, that he needs to go on the offense and that this is a nothing burger again unless we let the Republican establishment and Pence and all them run a Jedi mind trick on us that this is something?
For me, this is them running on fumes.
dan friesen
Alex is terrible at asking questions.
jordan holmes
How long was this question?
dan friesen
That was like 40 seconds after the question.
jordan holmes
Alright, gotcha.
dan friesen
Also, are you going to be surprised when Roger Stone totally agrees with him?
jordan holmes
I hope it's just Roger Stone going, sure.
And then he just keeps yelling.
dan friesen
You got it.
alex jones
You the man.
roger stone
Alex, as you know, I was in Washington yesterday, and I've got to tell you, in the 40 years that I've been in American politics, I have never seen more fake hysteria, more Sturm and Drang about nothing.
Let's be very clear.
Donald Trump Jr. has done nothing improper, nothing illegal, and nothing wrong.
Why is he targeted?
Because he's the strongest and one of the most effective spokesmen for his father's campaign.
Because he constantly repeats things from Infowars.com and other alternative credible news sources.
Because he's a warrior.
That's why.
And frankly, if in the middle of a presidential campaign, and I've been in 10 of them, someone contacts you and says, I have negative information on your opponent, and you do not seek to get that information, You're guilty of malpractice.
This is a struggle for the presidency of the United States.
unidentified
You're going to be disbarred.
alex jones
Well, you're aiding and abetting if it's a crime.
roger stone
But there's no crime here.
Where is the crime?
There is no crime.
alex jones
Hillary's committed a crime.
He's got a responsibility to at least tell the FBI.
dan friesen
But I'm going to cut the clip off early because you just got it.
jordan holmes
Stone is like, listen, I...
If he took information from the Russians, who wouldn't take it?
dan friesen
You'd be dumb not to.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
This is crazy.
dan friesen
I think we've got to investigate those 10 campaigns he's been involved in.
jordan holmes
Listen, I'm telling you, we need to redo Nixon's election.
We've got to redo that.
Let's just reset American politics starting in the late 50s.
dan friesen
Well, we all know the globalists have time travel technology.
Oh, yeah, that's right.
Andrew Basiago can go back and reset everything for us.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Certainly, we'd like that to be the case.
jordan holmes
Can Roger Stone fight on a Mars base?
dan friesen
Yeah, why not?
He's too old.
jordan holmes
Toss him up there.
dan friesen
He's too old.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly!
unidentified
Come on!
dan friesen
They can put him in a clone body.
jordan holmes
What are we doing here?
unidentified
Come on!
dan friesen
Get him in one of those regenerative holographic med beds.
Come on.
jordan holmes
Those are more believable than Trump not committing treason.
dan friesen
They're more believable.
We are in a weird world where Project Camelot is more reasonable than Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
It's very weird.
Carrie Callahan.
dan friesen
Calm down.
jordan holmes
I love you.
dan friesen
Calm down.
So, this next clip.
jordan holmes
Let's make her president.
dan friesen
I'm in.
jordan holmes
I don't fucking care.
unidentified
I'm in.
dan friesen
She probably has less seedy acquaintances.
And that's saying a lot.
jordan holmes
She has no seedy acquaintances.
dan friesen
She has nothing but seedy acquaintances.
Time travelers and weirdos.
I'm still more comfortable with that in governance.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Anyway, in this next clip, Roger Stone wants to go just a little bit further than Alex.
About trying to sort of poo-poo on this Russian lawyer lady.
roger stone
If you look at the circumstances under which the woman lawyer got into the country, I think there's a strong indication, as you say.
alex jones
That's right, her visa was up for six months, so clearly Obama and them let her back in.
roger stone
Somebody pulled strings to get her back in the country.
That would, I think, play into the idea that you just put forward, that this was a setup, a way to try to...
Compromise Donald Trump Jr., who, again, I assert has done nothing whatsoever wrong.
dan friesen
Strong assertion.
roger stone
This is what all of the House and Senate investigations have come to.
This is what Adam Schiff and Mark Warner have.
Well, I would say they don't have much.
dan friesen
So he's trying to pretend that this is it.
This is all they got.
jordan holmes
I love it.
It's like they were trying to set up and compromise Donald Jr.
And he doesn't then end the sentence with, And they totally did.
dan friesen
They succeeded.
jordan holmes
They kicked his ass.
dan friesen
And got him to commit a crime.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly!
dan friesen
If that is the case, which it's not.
jordan holmes
Even if it was a setup, he did it!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You're admitting he did it!
dan friesen
Yeah.
You're at least admitting he's a fucking dum-dum.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
At best.
jordan holmes
He's the strongest.
Most vocal supporter.
He's a warrior.
dan friesen
He constantly retweets Infowars articles.
That's why they hate him.
That's why they hate him.
He's a warrior, and by that we mean he pays tons of money to kill innocent animals in Africa and take pictures of it like a big man.
Also, this premise that her visa had been expired for six months so Obama had to have let her in the country.
It kind of runs counter to Alex's immigration argument.
Just a little bit.
Just a little against it.
I don't know.
Look, I'm not saying.
I'm just saying.
jordan holmes
Also, does Obama get every visa renewal on his desk?
dan friesen
Absolutely.
He micromanaged that shit.
jordan holmes
Listen, Obama, if you're listening...
That was a lot of work you didn't need to do.
dan friesen
Also, every single illegal immigrant that came into the country, Obama was like, get him in here.
jordan holmes
Get on in here!
Come on!
dan friesen
I can't stay mad at you.
jordan holmes
You're a good kid.
Come on now.
You're a woman lawyer.
We need you.
dan friesen
So this is going to get to Alex...
jordan holmes
For real?
Why do you say woman lawyer?
unidentified
That's just...
dan friesen
I said lady lawyer, and I apologize.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
I mean...
dan friesen
I know.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
But it's because I can't remember how to pronounce her last name.
I just don't have space in my brain right now.
jordan holmes
But that's one of those little things that is in, like...
It's built into the way that we speak.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's like comedian.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he doesn't even fucking notice it.
That's just how he talks.
dan friesen
It's a woman lawyer.
jordan holmes
It's that kind of a thing.
Yeah, exactly.
What's this lady doing over here?
dan friesen
To be fair, Roger Stone is like 70-something and an asshole.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
It's kind of par for the course for him.
This clip's going to go on, and Alex is going to get into his sort of oppression narrative.
I'm being investigated.
jordan holmes
Shit.
dan friesen
It's real whack.
roger stone
There's no violation of law here.
I don't even think there's anything politically wrong.
alex jones
Well, I know one thing for absolute 100% certain.
They came out with the Federal Elections Commission Commissioner Lady yesterday and said they took rumors from a congressional hearing four months ago from the House Armed Services Committee that were then rumors in the clatching and then put it out that I'm under This is desperate.
When they start saying...
That I'm the reason they lost the election and the Russians fund me and told me what to say.
I mean, this is cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.
Then, in the middle of an election, all about how the Clintons are involved with the Russians, they turn the narrative around back onto Trump.
It's just crazy.
I mean, I want to be called before Congress.
Of course, they won't do it.
They're all a bunch of scum.
dan friesen
You'll get your chance.
I just love this.
jordan holmes
God, I want him to be called before Congress, too.
Can you imagine that C-SPAN?
dan friesen
He'd be in contempt so fast.
jordan holmes
That would be the best viewing I've ever seen.
dan friesen
He's unsubpoenaable.
Because you know that if he comes, he's just going to yell at you, and you're going to have to put him in chambers.
jordan holmes
I know, it's going to be fantastic.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, it could be good entertainment, but then again, I've seen him do that on TV shows enough that it's like, eh, it's boring.
It would be weird to see it in the Senate or whatever, but I also think it would be like, this is bad for the Senate.
You're making a mockery.
jordan holmes
You're a bunch of globalists!
Could you please lower your tone of voice?
We do have a microphone.
mark dice
I speak on microphones all day!
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
We call Buckley to the stand.
jordan holmes
Buckley, you've been with Alex for a long time.
dan friesen
He's my cousin.
jordan holmes
How many wives is he fucked now?
mark dice
16. Damn it!
dan friesen
I'm just imagining he has a little hillbilly draw there.
I don't know why.
I've seen Buckley before.
He's not a hillbilly.
I don't know why I did that.
Anyway, we've got one more clip left to play, and this one is kind of Roger Stone.
Surrendering a little bit.
I don't think he thinks that's what he's doing, but I'll let you hear what he says, and I think it'll be pretty clear why this is admission of guilt.
jordan holmes
He's singing the song Surrender.
roger stone
And he correctly says, this should have been handled by a cutout.
Why would you put the candidate's family in the line of fire?
Why not send a low-level operative to determine whether there was anything...
alex jones
Well, it shows Trump leads from the front.
roger stone
Well, it shows that this was a grassroots campaign and that they don't have the vast experience of presidential politics that the Clintons have.
alex jones
Which is what we want.
All they're trying to do is deliver on their promises.
roger stone
Well, they're honest.
The point is they're honest, and Donnie handled this in an honest way.
And he's been honest about it since the story broke.
jordan holmes
But he's not been since the beginning, which is the problem, Mr. Stone.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And he should have used a cutout.
Why would you use a cutout if you're not doing something illegal?
jordan holmes
What he should have done is used a cardboard cutout.
dan friesen
Just bring in a movie theater standee.
Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes
He's got a Muppet.
No, he's got one of those cardboard cutouts but with a hole in his face so it's somebody else's standing head.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, the argument that he's making, the underlying argument, is send some low-level nobody in case they get popped.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Don't risk the fucking candidate's son.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know that if that's your fucking argument, the thing that you're doing is not right.
jordan holmes
Which, again, is like, oh, you've done that.
Roger, you're incriminating yourself.
You realize that, right?
dan friesen
Back when I used to do this all the time, we sent cutouts.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly!
dan friesen
Yeah, 100%.
So, at the end of the day, Alex Jones is weak.
Real weak, in terms of his defense.
Because all of his arguments fall apart.
Anything about it being opposition research, still a crime.
If he was duped by somebody, still a crime.
Still shows criminal intent.
The idea that this lady is Soros operative because there are pictures on her Facebook of her at the Women's March is weak as hell.
That is circumstantial.
And if you really want to press the matter, all you're doing is sort of denying her right to congregate, her right to free speech, her right to protest, those sorts of things.
And I think that's against your narrative, Alex.
I think you wouldn't want to make that argument.
Further, if you look into it, she...
Is clearly the benefactor of a weird favor by the Department of Justice under Trump.
jordan holmes
Who'd have guessed?
dan friesen
And that's very suspicious.
I don't think you want to talk about that, Alex, but I'd love to hear your spin on that.
jordan holmes
And even their spin is incriminating.
Everything that they're doing is like, yeah, he did it, but it's good.
dan friesen
That's the getting closer to the center of the drain.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's just the water going out.
It's just, they're at the point where they're like touching the metal now.
jordan holmes
What happens?
I don't know.
I don't know.
know gave everyone evidence yeah exactly so when that when all of that is proven Alex has to, like, he either has to pivot or he just has to say none of it is real.
dan friesen
It's all a globalist setup.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He's already done the groundwork.
jordan holmes
In which case, there is no government.
Like, at that point, when he does that, he is literally saying you can trust no institution anywhere ever.
dan friesen
Except for your sheriff.
jordan holmes
Not even Trump!
dan friesen
Just your sheriff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
No, because he would still say, like, no matter what, let's say worst case scenario, it comes out that literally Trump and Vladimir Putin were sitting down, there's a quid pro quo about the terms of...
Get all this slanderous material about Hillary Clinton, all this defamatory stuff, send it to WikiLeaks, and I will lift sanctions.
If there is evidence that there was, foreign policy sold.
Alex Jones, he's already put the pieces, the little building blocks in place, that if that comes out, he can be like, listen.
The reason he did that is because Russia is our only potential ally against the globalists.
They're the only country that's kicked the globalists out.
jordan holmes
Or he would go with North Korea and then go right back to Islamophobia.
dan friesen
Yeah, there would be...
I mean, of course, that would be...
jordan holmes
Now Russia's part of the West!
dan friesen
Yeah, that would be a distraction that ended up happening.
Those things would be like...
jordan holmes
And God...
Goddammit, Trump has already violated the Emoluments Clause so many goddamn times, and we're not even, nobody's even fucking doing anything, the Constitution doesn't mean a goddamn thing right now, and nobody's fucking, and it doesn't get more, it doesn't get more emoluments than a literal tit-for-tat on sanctions.
dan friesen
But I mean, that, again, still, that is a hypothetical, that hasn't been proved.
It's pretty likely, but it hasn't been proved.
So we can't really...
jordan holmes
So either we're living in the most corrupt thievery of our government that's ever been, or this is the single largest, most inexplicable coincidence that has ever happened.
And those are the only two lanes we can go down now.
There's no other explanation.
dan friesen
Well, yeah, there is the, like...
Complete collusion, and this is a not really even massive conspiracy, but it is a conspiracy between Trump and some really shady types.
Yeah.
Or the Democrats are butthurt about losing the election, and they're really dead set on pushing this false narrative that happens to be reinforced by tons of information that they couldn't have controlled.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
They couldn't have controlled Donald Trump Jr.'s response to that email.
unidentified
Yeah, that was a Democrat plot is my favorite thing.
dan friesen
But like, yeah, all of these facts have to line up with their fake reality narrative that they're pushing in order for that to be a plausible argument.
And yeah, I don't see a third option either.
There might be one, but I don't know what it is.
jordan holmes
And then we get into...
His listeners, right?
So if we're talking about a lot of law enforcement people and a lot of ex-military people...
dan friesen
Seems like more military than cops.
jordan holmes
What is their response?
Like, do they accept the rule of law anymore?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
So if you continue on with that narrative and you destroy any faith in government, period.
If you say the FBI is full of shit, the...
Department of Justice.
If you go through all of these different things, all of this intercepted communication, all of this shit, and you say you can't trust any of it, if you're ex-military, do you say, well, that means we're in a civil war?
dan friesen
Alex has already said that.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Or does that mean that it's time to honor country over Alex Jones' bullshit?
dan friesen
I hope that's what they do.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
But here's the only thing that I take some solace in.
I take a little bit of solace in knowing that Alex Jones is a craven con man.
And he also loves his money.
Like, we know that from the percentage of time he takes on his show to sell products.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So I would say that Alex is keenly aware that there is a line.
There is a Mendoza line where it's like, my fear-mongering is going to cause people...
To start fighting in the streets, and I won't sell any more products at that point.
So I think he knows that there's a point he can push it to.
And once we reach that point, I think that will be when we can determine whether Alex Jones...
I mean, he's a con man either way.
jordan holmes
Or whether he's lost it.
dan friesen
Well, lost it, he has.
It doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
No, I mean...
Okay, you go.
dan friesen
Here's what that line tells us.
If he crosses that line to the point where it's no longer financially...
Reasonable for him to be pushing the things he's pushing, then you'll know that his ideology outweighs his love of money.
I don't believe that's the case.
I think he loves his millions of dollars, and I think he'll get to a point where he realizes he's got to pull back a little bit.
jordan holmes
I don't have that faith.
I think we're past that.
dan friesen
We'll see.
Either way, we're going to die.
So, sweet.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But before you die, please check out our website.
jordan holmes
Before you die.
dan friesen
Great optimistic way to end this episode.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
Knowledgefight.com is our website.
jordan holmes
Follow us on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight.
dan friesen
Correct.
We're also on Facebook at Knowledge Fight.
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That's great.
jordan holmes
Go to iTunes, download it, leave a review there as well.
dan friesen
Yes, please.
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You can give any amount of money you'd like per month and we'll get some bonus stuff going.
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Everything will be great.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
In the meantime, you know, we're all gonna die.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But I think there's one person...
dan friesen
You're doing this wrong again.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
What's going wrong now?
How about you do it?
dan friesen
All right.
All right.
Look.
There's a lot of people who can fuck themselves in the world.
jordan holmes
I was trying to get...
dan friesen
You were?
unidentified
Yeah!
jordan holmes
No, I remembered the right one.
dan friesen
You were doing the living and dead thing.
jordan holmes
No, the point, the way I was going to take it is, no, now I don't even want to do it.
dan friesen
Look, there's one man that's responsible for us not being able to do our outro.
His name is Jay Rappaport.
You can fuck yourself, John Rappaport.
Yeah, I said it.
Fuck you.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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