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June 28, 2017 - Knowledge Fight
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#58: June 23, 2017

Today, Dan tells Jordan all about what happened on the June 23rd episode of The Alex Jones Show. It's dark stuff. Topics covered include: How many times can Alex imply that he wants someone to kill Johnny Depp? Can Alex pull off Tuck Buckford related meta-irony? Has the New Civil War kicked off yet? The New Civil War has indeed kicked off.

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alex jones
22:56
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dan friesen
56:45
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jordan holmes
33:24
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alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
We had a little hitch there.
dan friesen
I almost said I'm Jordan.
Don't know what's going on in my head.
jordan holmes
There we go.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages.
jordan holmes
And start off podcast professional as fuck.
dan friesen
Very smoothly.
jordan holmes
We could just...
Cut this out and redo the intro.
But I will be goddamned if we do that now.
dan friesen
I fucking hate that you're calling me out after a split-second stutter.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
It threw my rhythm off.
It's not you.
dan friesen
It was a little...
Alright, fine.
jordan holmes
I couldn't help myself.
dan friesen
I'm busted.
We like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the twist, though, is that you know everything about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Pretty much.
jordan holmes
And I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
There's another twist.
You dropped one of the bottles of juice.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, I'm very tired, which is the whole point of getting this beverage.
I'm so tired that I dropped one.
You know what?
dan friesen
I'm tired, too, of excuses.
I'm sick of the shit.
jordan holmes
Fair enough, fair enough.
I forget the coconut juice and now I forget this.
This is terrible.
It is Organic Mama Chia, Seed Your Soul.
dan friesen
It looks so gross.
jordan holmes
Blackberry hibiscus, and it's a chia vitality beverage.
dan friesen
So it's got seeds suspended in it.
It's colloidal.
jordan holmes
It is disgusting looking.
dan friesen
It's a colloidal beverage.
jordan holmes
I think I'm supposed to take this out dropper by dropper and put it underneath my tongue.
dan friesen
I agree.
jordan holmes
Isn't that how that works?
dan friesen
I think so.
It is vitality.
It is colloidal.
This is the Alex Jones beverage.
jordan holmes
It is an excellent source of fiber.
I'm going to take a sip of this.
dan friesen
Stop reading the fucking thing and drink it.
Oh my god, I don't want to try this.
Oh no!
jordan holmes
It tastes good, but your first instinct is to chew it.
dan friesen
To spit it out.
jordan holmes
You drink all these fucking seeds!
dan friesen
It seems to me like drinking yogurt.
Alright, here we go.
jordan holmes
It's very thick.
Just swallow it, don't...
dan friesen
Not a chance.
Not a chance.
Fuck that noise.
jordan holmes
It's not bad.
dan friesen
It doesn't taste bad, but I would never...
jordan holmes
Yeah, right?
You have to get used to just swallowing a shit ton of seeds every time.
This is what it feels like to be a woman.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Anyways.
It's like tiny boba tea.
jordan holmes
That was a really good joke.
unidentified
No, it wasn't.
dan friesen
That's why I walked right over it.
Fine.
jordan holmes
Fine.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we are going to be going over the June 23rd, 2017 episode of The Alex Jones Show.
We're back in the present.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
It feels like a long time since we've been in the present.
jordan holmes
It's been a while.
Not much in the present has been going on.
I feel like the news is very boring lately.
dan friesen
Well, I skipped last week of listening to him in the present.
Because after the Megyn Kelly interview, I was like, I don't want to listen to him brag.
I don't want to listen to him gloat for a week about, I have bested the mainstream media.
And so I retreated to 2015.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I spent most of my time in my studies of 2015, as opposed to listening to him jack himself off on the air.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
However, I was like, ah, we gotta check in, see what's going on.
I checked in today, as we're recording this on Tuesday, and David Knight was hosting, and Owen Schroyer.
jordan holmes
Bummer.
dan friesen
And they were talking about the CNN video that James O 'Keefe leaked.
jordan holmes
I have not seen it.
I'm assuming that if it's got a name like James O 'Keefe behind it, it's either a painting of a vagina flower or it is bullshit.
dan friesen
It is very edited, and it's a CNN segment producer, I believe, and he's saying that there isn't any evidence of Trump and Russia's collusion.
And that the higher-ups are pushing those stories because of ratings.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And that sort of thing.
I mean, it's a James O 'Keefe production.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
You know this when he's involved.
Project Veritas is involved.
It's not true.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That is just a good through line.
So Alex called in and talked about how James O 'Keefe has just killed CNN.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah.
It's time to brag.
dan friesen
Alex is calling into the show to say this, and I could hear tropical birds in the background.
So I'm sure he is on a vacation.
He's not calling a vacation.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
I went back to Monday.
jordan holmes
It's a fact-finding mission to see exactly how tropical birds learn to talk.
Spoiler alert, it's God.
dan friesen
What if you yell globalist at a tropical bird?
unidentified
What happens?
dan friesen
Empirical studies have shown...
They yell globalists back.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, of course.
dan friesen
Which proves.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Who trained them to yell globalists first?
dan friesen
It's obviously Soros.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Big money.
From Soros is going into tropical bird training.
jordan holmes
They all go on vacation, all the globalists together.
And of course, the first thing that they say to introduce each other is like globalist.
Yes, exactly.
dan friesen
You doff your cap and you say globalist.
jordan holmes
Short bow if you're a Japanese globalist.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
Respectful.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
See, what you do is if you go up to a bird and you say globalist and it says globalist back, no big deal.
jordan holmes
I want to know this.
dan friesen
If you go up to a bird and it says globalist first, that means you're close to one of their redoubts.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
One of their armored redoubts, because that bird will have already been taught the word globalist.
jordan holmes
That makes the least amount of sense of anything I have ever heard in my entire life.
dan friesen
Well, I'm thinking of...
jordan holmes
I love you, Dan.
dan friesen
I'm thinking of the dream quest of Unknown Kadath here by H.P. Lovecraft.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
It's a long way to go for this reference.
jordan holmes
I was wondering if we were going to get an obscure Lovecraft reference today.
You've also taken a couple of weeks off...
Quote an obscure H.P. Lovecraft.
dan friesen
Well, good to be back.
So I went to Monday's episode to see what was going on there.
See if Alex was there or if he's been gone.
He was gone.
It was Owen Schroyer hosting.
So I went back to Sunday to try and find an episode for us to cover.
Sunday, Owen Schroyer hosting.
So I'm like, oh, Alex has been gone all weekend.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So I go back to Friday.
And this is Friday, June 23rd, 2017.
We're going to be covering.
And what I discovered in the first hour of this show is...
Lunacy.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
It's really irresponsible and very dangerous, and maybe not as funny as I want this to be.
jordan holmes
Oh, come on!
dan friesen
But we'll try.
There's some funniness in there.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
But I listened to the whole thing, and, you know, he does an interview with a guy named Max Kaiser, who is another one of his faulty intellectual economic guys.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
You know, he has his Gerald Salentes and Harry Dents.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And Peter Schiff.
These types who come in and tell everybody that shit's about to go bad.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
The real twist.
jordan holmes
Buy gold.
dan friesen
He's so boring that I didn't cut any of this interview, but it's a curveball from the buy gold.
Because he is sort of saying gold's pretty cool.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But this Max Keiser guy, what he's also saying is, hey, uh...
Get my cryptocurrency.
jordan holmes
Ooh, now that's a good move right there.
dan friesen
He's trying to sell max coins.
jordan holmes
That can't be true.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
I looked it up.
unidentified
He has his own cryptocurrency that's named after him.
jordan holmes
I didn't realize you could just do that.
dan friesen
Yeah, I guess you can.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course you can.
It's not regulated by anybody.
dan friesen
I think one max coin is worth something like 20 cents now or something like that.
jordan holmes
That's not terrible.
dan friesen
But it came up from like a tenth of a cent to now 20 cents.
That's a huge swing!
jordan holmes
That is a huge swing!
dan friesen
It is, mathematically, but be that as it may.
It's irresponsible to sell gold on your show when you're fear-mongering about an economic collapse.
jordan holmes
Usually.
dan friesen
It's very irresponsible to sell your own currency.
jordan holmes
I know, but that's such a great move.
I love it.
I love it.
Look, go fucking big.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Knowledge Fight Coins coming soon.
jordan holmes
Yeah, can you just do this?
dan friesen
I don't know.
unidentified
I'll look into it.
jordan holmes
I think you can.
unidentified
Can't you?
dan friesen
I don't want to make my own economy.
jordan holmes
Why not?
dan friesen
It seems like a lot of work.
jordan holmes
Look, that way we become our own sovereign podcast.
That's what we've always wanted.
Once you can print digital money, you're good to go.
dan friesen
I just feel like it's more hassle than it's worth.
And then if the market falls out of Knowledge Fight Coins, we are responsible for screwing over so many people.
jordan holmes
Well, it was a bad idea to make them only usable at Disneyland locations and not Disney.
That was a rough...
I feel like we lost a lot of money on that train.
dan friesen
It's state's rights.
Disney World is globalist.
Disneyland is sovereign.
jordan holmes
That makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
Small, big.
It's all that's fucking saying.
jordan holmes
You have sold me.
dan friesen
So, anyway, we're going to get to this episode.
I'm going to start as Alex starts.
We'll just go exactly where he begins the episode.
jordan holmes
This is going to be a fun thing whenever I choke to death on chia seeds.
alex jones
Wow, Friday.
Waging war on corruption.
unidentified
It's Alex Jones, coming to you live from the front lines of the Infowar.
alex jones
Well, here we are, ladies and gentlemen.
Hard to believe it's already Friday, the 23rd day of June 2017, and all hell is breaking loose.
jordan holmes
Again?
unidentified
I want to stop there because I...
dan friesen
He says that every day.
unidentified
I was gonna say, yeah, that's how this show works, right?
dan friesen
He says every...
Well, first of all, hell's breaking loose.
He says a lot.
But he says, it's hard to believe it's already...
Blank day.
jordan holmes
Oh!
dan friesen
He says that all the time.
And I kind of think that's charming.
It's kind of like a little broadcaster trick.
It's just a nice, hey, it's hard to believe all this time has passed.
jordan holmes
Hard to believe yet another day has come and gone and we are still alive.
dan friesen
It's folksy and I kind of like it.
But then all hell is breaking loose.
jordan holmes
All hell breaks loose all the time.
dan friesen
You switched very fast.
He's starting the show.
He wants to tell you about how the globalists, they're scared.
They're scared right now, and there's trouble in globalist land, which I'm going to start calling Disney World.
alex jones
The Democrats have lost a fourth consecutive special election.
They consecutively broke all previous records in each one of the four failed special elections since President Trump was sworn in on January 20, 2000.
And 17, the day the power began to transfer from Washington and from globalist combines offshore back to we the people.
And he's been delivering in royal spades.
And the globalists who've hijacked our country, hijacked Europe, hijacked Latin America, hijacked Africa, hijacked Eastern Europe, hijacked Russia, hijacked the Middle East.
Are in total, complete, absolute freak-out mode.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
They burned through 35 million on the special elections, and that was just the party, not just their PACs.
jordan holmes
How much did the Republicans burn through?
unidentified
Unbelievable.
alex jones
And so how do they respond?
jordan holmes
I bet it was more!
alex jones
They want to be elitist, who are part of a cult of power, who believe that they're sitting on top of the bitter clingers, and that they control the Christians and the patriots, and I guess they do.
They have our children in their clutches.
They brainwash them.
They force inoculate them.
But the sleeping giant is awakening to what they're doing, so they're trying to cling on to the host.
The parasites are in a desperate, insane panic.
jordan holmes
That is a run-on sentence.
dan friesen
Oh, absolutely.
jordan holmes
That went so many different places.
We're just going from, okay, the globalists are bummed because they lost four consecutive special elections, all of which the Democrat...
Far outperformed previous elections.
dan friesen
And far closer than they should have been.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
With the exception of one of them, right?
Wasn't one of them a bit...
jordan holmes
Georgia was...
The Ossoff race was very much...
Everybody kind of predicted a far better showing for Ossoff.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But, you know, you gotta pick the southern lady who hates gay people.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You gotta do it.
She doesn't think they're real.
Fine.
Put her in Congress.
dan friesen
I'm trying to find statistics on how much the Republicans spent.
jordan holmes
Oh, the Republicans spent so much more money.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's...
jordan holmes
Now, the problem is, they have so much more money.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Because their best friends are billionaires.
dan friesen
Of course.
jordan holmes
And Democrats'best friends are billionaires, but not as many of them.
dan friesen
And unions.
jordan holmes
And unions.
And unions are dying.
dan friesen
Yeah, it seems like they don't have a whole lot in their coffers.
No.
unidentified
But thankfully, there are a few billionaires, and they are globalists.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Turns out.
jordan holmes
Soros.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So then we go into, they're panicking.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yeah, how did we get to they have our kids?
dan friesen
Public schools.
jordan holmes
Why did he jump into that so fast?
dan friesen
I don't know.
But that's their last chance, I guess.
jordan holmes
To eat our kids?
dan friesen
I guess so.
jordan holmes
To step on our kids.
dan friesen
Maybe.
Brainwash them and shoot them up with stuff.
jordan holmes
Brainwash them and shoot them up.
That doesn't sound like a bad Sunday.
dan friesen
No.
I mean, we're full of a lot of bullshit.
jordan holmes
Right out the gate.
dan friesen
Because he's misleading about all these special elections.
He's obfuscating.
He's not dealing with the fact that if you look at the actual statistics on it, the replicants should be worried about the turnout and about the results.
Even though they won, it does indicate bad things are coming.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because all of those were heavy Republican-leaning areas.
jordan holmes
I swear to God, I have been sitting here.
I want to have listened to the last part of what you said.
But you said replicants instead of Republicans the first time?
dan friesen
No, I didn't.
jordan holmes
You totally did.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
It was fantastic.
dan friesen
No, I didn't.
jordan holmes
I could not be happier.
dan friesen
Oh, my God.
jordan holmes
You're going to read back on the tape and you're going to be like, holy shit, he said replicants.
And that is my favorite thing.
dan friesen
And I'm not going to refer to myself as he.
jordan holmes
We should.
Well, if you're saying replicants, how can you be sure?
dan friesen
I'm very confused now.
I might be reading too much Philip K. Dick.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
That's a great.
That's what the Republicans are.
They're replicants.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
They have no souls.
dan friesen
So you might be thinking that Alex is high-minded, he's talking politics, he's talking taking our kids, that this episode is going to deal with a lot of meat, a lot of meat and potatoes issues.
unidentified
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
He's going to get down into why the special elections were so close and how it's actually kind of a good thing for the Republicans because they won all of them when you would expect if anti-Trump sentiment were this huge, which it seems to be.
They would have lost.
dan friesen
You might think even that he's going to spin it as, you know, if you want to look at the truth, Republicans should have won majorly in all of them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And instead they won pretty close, and that is going to light a fire under Republicans who had gotten complacent after the last election.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Maybe he could spin it that way.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Punch more reporters.
You'll win more elections.
dan friesen
He does not deal with any of that.
He's got something else on his mind that he wants to talk about.
alex jones
Do they back off?
No.
Johnny Depp, a meth head.
$600 million that he made the last 20 years.
Lost it all.
Looks like, again, some meth-mouthed guy, some kind of homeless person you see on the side of the street.
He comes out like he's a big, tough man.
He can hardly stand up with some other waterhead.
And they stand up there and talk about how they dream about killing the president.
Oh, how original by another spoiled, rotten piece of filth that if you don't like America, you should move to North Korea.
dan friesen
If you don't love it, get out.
Classic.
jordan holmes
There are more countries besides North Korea, right?
dan friesen
That's absolutely true.
But Alex seems to think...
jordan holmes
Also, if you're a global...
If you're like a globe-hopping superstar Hollywood guy...
You can go fucking anywhere, man.
dan friesen
Yeah, he probably has houses in multiple countries.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
I would say that, first of all, Alex thinks that all liberals love North Korea, and that's, you know, that's silly.
jordan holmes
Okay, well.
dan friesen
But second, Johnny Depp came out and said some stuff.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Last week.
jordan holmes
Like a Johnny Depp should.
dan friesen
And Alex might spend most of his show talking about it.
unidentified
Oh, God.
dan friesen
He is furious.
For those of you who don't know what Johnny Depp said, we'll play the clip a little bit later.
jordan holmes
I don't know what Johnny Depp said.
dan friesen
We'll play the clip a little bit later, because Alex plays it on the show.
But the extent of it is, he's saying that Donald Trump needs help.
He's responding to a question, clearly, in a Q&A session.
And he goes on to say, he prefaces it by saying, this is going to be in the press and it's going to be terrible.
jordan holmes
Alright, I like that.
dan friesen
I bet he says, I'm not saying anything, but when was the last time an actor assassinated a president?
jordan holmes
That's not bad.
dan friesen
It's a joke.
jordan holmes
That's not bad.
It's not a good joke, but for Johnny Depp, that's not bad at all.
dan friesen
No, and then he goes on to say...
jordan holmes
I mean, what with his meth mouth and his homeless look, and he comes out like a big, tough guy, which is what you think of when you think Johnny Depp.
dan friesen
He goes on to say, I'm not an actor.
I lie for a living.
But you know what it is?
He's taken on a lot of the traits of Hunter S. Thompson.
He's using Hunter S. Thompson's sort of younger mannerisms.
He's just acting like Hunter S. Thompson.
That's all he's doing for a life now.
Now that Hunter S. Thompson's dead, his spirit, for good or bad, seems to live in Johnny Depp.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you do one movie with him in it, and there you go.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, if I had to try and get into that headspace to do Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, maybe I would go crazy, too.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And maybe that's not the point he went crazy.
Maybe he was crazy long before it.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
That is Hunter S. Thompson-y.
Like, it's a joke.
It's a dark joke.
But it is a joke that plays on the fact that an actor once did kill the president.
jordan holmes
It's pretty good!
For Johnny Depp, like I said.
It's not a good joke.
Like, I'm not gonna, you know.
Take it with me to a club, but it's not terrible.
dan friesen
There's awareness within it.
It's not like a threat or anything like that.
He diffuses it by saying, I'm not an actor, you know, to insinuate.
And he does say, I'm not saying anything.
I'm not going to do this.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But Alex is furious about it.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
And he takes it real hard.
And we'll get to some of his reactions that I think are a little bit over the top.
jordan holmes
You think so?
dan friesen
Yeah, but first...
Uh-oh.
alex jones
Uh-oh.
None of that stuff is bad!
First class tickets.
First class tickets and 20,000 pounds to move for one year to Libya or to Syria.
I'm sorry, those are total war zones thanks to you people.
Help me put the radical jihadis in.
How about Saudi Arabia?
I'm offering you 20,000 pounds.
That's $35,000.
$30,000.
And I'm offering you...
First class, one-way tickets to Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, baby.
jordan holmes
You go there, you run your mind without the baby.
alex jones
You show your face in public, they'll cane you, and next they'll kill you.
The headline will be, Jones wishes Muslims to kill a poor woman.
That's how they spin it when J-Lo is like, bring in more Muslims.
Or any of these globalist minions.
I go, hey, why don't you go move there then?
Oh.
Oh no, we're not going to do that.
And the media spins that I hope they go to the Middle East and get raped.
No, I hope you don't bring that here because I've got three daughters and a son.
And I don't like it.
I don't want to bring North Korea here.
Hell, they're trying to transplant whole Syrian towns of invaders that came in and took over.
dan friesen
Invaders.
alex jones
Into Germany right now.
They've already brought 10 million in.
I'm sorry, I kept seeing 5 million the last couple years and 7 million total the last 8 years.
No, it's...
Ten million.
Everybody's heard.
jordan holmes
Oh, we took our brain force this morning, that's for sure.
dan friesen
I gotta play the end there.
You talked over his horrible end to that piece, that chunk that really needs to be heard.
Hear this.
alex jones
Seven million total the last eight years.
No, it's ten million.
Everybody's heard about Islamic scourge.
unidentified
Oh!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
That was the most offensive part of that whole thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's why it needed to be played.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that whole screed, that was very, very offensive to me.
dan friesen
So I've looked up the cost of living in Saudi Arabia, and $35,000 a year is probably pretty good.
You'll probably make it for a year on that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
For a decent one-bedroom apartment, it's about $700 a month.
You know?
So, I mean, you know, that's comparable to...
jordan holmes
That seems pretty expensive, actually, for, you know...
alex jones
I don't know.
dan friesen
Chicago would be like $1,100 or something like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I want to see one of these apartments.
dan friesen
Yeah, let's take them up on this offer.
jordan holmes
Yeah, for sure.
dan friesen
Yeah, let's go.
Does this apply to anyone?
jordan holmes
I feel like it's actually safer there right now.
dan friesen
I would...
Probably go.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I don't think it's a terrible...
I haven't seen the world.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'd like to travel, but also, I actually probably wouldn't because I have my job and all, and uprooting my life would be difficult, but presuming I was fancy-free and careless, I would just be like, absolutely, I'll do that.
jordan holmes
I'd just quit my job.
Fuck yeah!
dan friesen
Yeah, but you have a...
Who cares?
I like my job.
unidentified
But that's weird.
dan friesen
That's pretty weird.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Also, why did he put it in pounds?
Oh, was it a British lady?
dan friesen
I think it might have been a British lady.
jordan holmes
Okay, that would make more sense.
dan friesen
I think he's referencing something that Paul Joseph Watson might have said in his article.
Oh, okay.
So Alex is not going to get a taker on that, but he should stop offering people money.
Clearly he doesn't have $30,000 to throw around, I don't think, at this point.
But you made a very astute observation that someone took his brain force.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
I think he definitely did.
And this clip, this next clip, kind of confirms it a little.
alex jones
Go to break.
Come back with Johnny Depp.
All of it today, I am wound up.
And I'm in my InfoWars uniform today.
I'm not wearing the sports jacket and the button-up shirt because I need to be able to get wound up proper here today.
jordan holmes
I got my balls on the table.
alex jones
Wound up today, everybody.
So get ready.
dan friesen
He just called himself Tuck Buckford.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
He called himself the fake character that Stephen Colbert uses to make fun of him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because he really...
jordan holmes
Reclaim it!
That's a smart move.
I'm full...
I'm on board with him doing that.
I think that's a very smart move.
dan friesen
It would be, but recently Alex put out a video where he really...
It was convoluted.
What he did is he played a character named Tuck Buckford.
jordan holmes
Now I'm against it.
dan friesen
Hold on.
He had a wig on.
jordan holmes
And now I'm back in.
dan friesen
He was a liberal guy who Alex Jones ripped off.
Alex Jones ripped off the original Tuck Buckford character personality or whatever.
And then Stephen Colbert is ripping off Alex Jones.
But there's a real Tuck Buckford who is a super liberal and very angry.
And so he brings out a pinata of Trump and starts attacking it with a hatchet and screaming, it's...
jordan holmes
That is amazing.
dan friesen
It's convoluted as hell.
jordan holmes
I don't...
I...
Wait, so...
dan friesen
I rarely encourage people to watch anything he's done, but because it's such a mystery, I do support people watching that.
jordan holmes
Okay, so...
Tuck Buckford, Stephen Colbert character.
dan friesen
In the real world.
jordan holmes
Based on Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Alex Jones doing Tuck Buckford as a liberal trying to murder the...
Effigy of Trump.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
With a hatchet.
dan friesen
With a hatchet.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I see no problems with understanding that at all.
How could you have a problem there?
dan friesen
There's definitely an easier way to do that sketch.
jordan holmes
That one's a little tortured, yes.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a little...
jordan holmes
A little tortured.
dan friesen
It's Byzantine in its construction.
I think he...
Now, I don't want to disparage his writer's room.
But I think it's possible that not a lot of them are good at comedy.
I think it's possible.
Rob Dew, write me a sketch.
jordan holmes
It's tough to be a right-wing libertarian and still be funny.
They do not get it.
dan friesen
Very, very tough.
jordan holmes
Every time Paul Joseph Watson tries to be funny, it's the saddest thing in the world.
dan friesen
I agree.
But at the same time...
Him just calling himself Tuck Buckford on the show right there is a little fucked up, but you're right.
That is kind of reclaiming, like, old Tuck Buckford over here is going to kick your ass.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Do you think you can make fun of me?
I absorb your insults and only become stronger because of it.
dan friesen
Right, right.
If he hadn't have made that video, I 100% agree.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that one...
dan friesen
But he's clearly furious about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that one doesn't support that argument.
dan friesen
Not much.
So we're going to get back after he gets back from that break where he's screaming about how I've got to get wound up today.
And the next few things that we have to get through are like straight up rants.
jordan holmes
Was it?
dan friesen
He's in rant mode today.
jordan holmes
Was he like really going after the pinata or was he just kind of, oh, he was really going after it?
dan friesen
Well, he goes at it with the hatchet and then he starts tearing Trump's face off.
Like in a way that I...
Interpret it as he's mad at Trump.
He's actually very mad at Trump for having to do the things that he's doing.
There is a level of text.
jordan holmes
I think that's something getting out.
dan friesen
It seems very cathartic.
There's a textural analysis we could do of like, ooh, that's real.
You're really mad at that pinata.
This isn't a character.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
dan friesen
But it's also really dumb.
jordan holmes
Either that or he's a great actor.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, he's one of the best.
jordan holmes
Has anybody considered putting him into a Hollywood film.
dan friesen
I think one guy did twice.
And that's about it.
unidentified
There we go.
dan friesen
So this next clip, he misleads more about those special elections and then just really tries to wind up his audience.
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, it's Friday, the 23rd day of June 2017.
And everybody knows, I don't put a good face on things unless really good things are happening.
dan friesen
That's reasonably true.
He puts a very negative face on things unnecessarily.
Well, he's not too rosy about things unless, you know, things are kind of rosy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I can't remember the last time where he was like, Hey, everybody!
Don't worry about a thing today!
We're all good!
dan friesen
He does a bit with Trump in terms of lying about how good his numbers are and stuff like that, but outside of that, he defaults to the negative.
You know, like, globalists are overrunning us, you know, all this stuff.
So, I mean, I'll give him that point.
alex jones
And that is happening right now.
The air is electrical with political change across the globe, not just here, but the United States.
We've seen four special elections with the Democrats spending more money than they've ever spent in any other elections.
And they lost despite the mainstream media demonization, the dirty tricks, the illegals voting, people voting under dead people's identity.
By who?
All of it confirmed now coming out in the last election, but still they lost despite the fake polls, despite giving the debate questions weeks before to Hillary to try to rig it, despite having the moderators go after Trump where it'd be 3-1.
Trump called it out and said, it's 3-1, but still I'm winning.
And it's that same attitude, ladies and gentlemen, that we've all got to have.
Forget the Super Bowl, forget...
NBA basketball.
This is the real game of life for the future of America and the world.
jordan holmes
How about hockey?
alex jones
Freedom versus slavery.
This is such an amazing time to be alive.
This is going to be a powerful transmission today.
dan friesen
He really thinks it will be.
He mostly just talks about Johnny Depp.
But the stuff in there that you've got to really take away is his examples of Trump being like...
A man that we must emulate, like he's brave and stuff, is someone gave Hillary Clinton questions ahead of time and some announcers were mean to him in a debate.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Look at how brave he is.
dan friesen
That's not really that great.
jordan holmes
I'm a big fan of how, boy, did they love winning that election.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so also that...
jordan holmes
Not so much now!
When doing the thing.
Didn't want to do the job.
Oh no, that's terrible.
It's really hard.
dan friesen
It's very hard.
jordan holmes
It seems almost like he was completely and utterly unprepared for it.
dan friesen
And oblivious of what the responsibilities would be.
jordan holmes
Of course!
dan friesen
So that 5.7 million illegals voting thing, if you really get into where that number comes from, it's actually really fascinating.
jordan holmes
I was gonna say, I remember the 3 million illegals voting being a dumb tweet.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
How did it, which...
Was insane.
dan friesen
Which still hasn't, that guy on Twitter still hasn't backed that up.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
How did the number get higher?
dan friesen
Well, there was a study that was done by Old Dominion University, and they found in like 36,000 respondents to a survey that they did, 39 of them responded that they were illegal immigrants, or undocumented immigrants, who alleged to have voted.
Okay.
There's a couple pieces of this that are problematic.
jordan holmes
Just a couple?
dan friesen
Well, follow-up interviews showed a bunch of people, I think there were 20 instances of people who in the initial survey said that they were citizens, and then in a follow-up interview said that they weren't, which is statistically impossible.
There's no way that, of the respondents, 20 people would lose their citizenship.
So it indicates a lack of care in the people who were filling out the surveys.
It was like 100 plus questions on the survey.
So people speculate that the methodology of it was flawed and people weren't giving correct answers.
jordan holmes
I've never given a hundred correct answers.
I've never paid attention to 100 questions in a row.
dan friesen
Nope.
unidentified
And there's a couple other pieces of it.
dan friesen
So the 5.7 million is a high-end estimate, 500,000 to 5.7 million, that people have speculated Based on this 39 respondents from a 30,000 sample size.
So they just multiply to the population at large, and that's what they find.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Which is a shoddy way to get statistics.
But then further than that, I don't know how they got these respondents, but I do know that a lot of people who do surveys end up doing them through these services that are available through Amazon.
They have a system called Turking.
Where you can sign up as a user and then they pay you like 30 cents to do a survey.
jordan holmes
To like bounce your ass up and down.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Kind of give you a little shake.
dan friesen
No, that's something else.
That's something else.
That's twerking.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit!
dan friesen
This is close.
jordan holmes
I'm too old.
I'm not connected to the young people now.
dan friesen
A lot of universities, a lot of research centers have...
Tons of responses that they need, and they pay people like a nickel or a dime to fill out surveys, do psychological tests, and transcription work on this Amazon portal that they have.
I don't know for sure if this is what they use, but if it is, I've seen studies like it on this Turking site, mTurk, and I also know that people don't fill those out, honestly, because they're getting paid.
Like, 10 cents per survey, so they speed through them.
They just fill out bubbles to get to the next one so they can try and make a living wage on it.
Or at least make a decent amount of money.
So it's entirely possible, based on the anomalies that are found with the people reporting that they lost their citizenship and stuff like that, it's entirely possible that a large section of the people responding to this survey weren't reading it.
So, that's entirely possible, but be that as it may, even if it is all sincere respondents, 39 people out of 30,000 is not a large enough sample size to be demographically interesting.
And many, many professors have written letters about how this study is not something that should be cited.
It doesn't pass muster in terms of statistical ethics.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So, there's that.
jordan holmes
How...
How could that many illegal citizens or undocumented citizens possibly vote?
That's 2% of the total...
Or what?
It's 2.5%, 3% of the total population that voted?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So you got 5.7 million out of 200...
Oh, it's more like 200 million, right?
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
So that means that you've gone to the voting booth.
With an illegal citizen.
dan friesen
Many of them, probably.
jordan holmes
At your polling station, you were behind...
Raise your hand if you're an illegal citizen.
dan friesen
Not an illegal citizen.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
Undocumented citizen.
dan friesen
They're not a citizen, though.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but fuck it.
unidentified
Why not?
dan friesen
Yeah, who cares?
jordan holmes
Give it to them.
dan friesen
I'm with you.
jordan holmes
That's my immigration policy.
Fuck it.
Get a job.
Come on in.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, like what?
Chicago is like...
Two million people?
Two and a half million people?
So that's like 25 of the entire population of Chicago across the country voted illegally?
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
That seems impossible.
jordan holmes
It seems ridiculous.
dan friesen
It's ludicrous.
jordan holmes
It's absolutely ridiculous.
dan friesen
So Alex, I mean, he's lying about all this stuff.
And further, those people...
If you're using this debunked statistic about the last general election to try and curry points with these special elections in tiny...
Like, areas.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Or, I mean, Atlanta's not a tiny area, but be that as it may.
Like, it doesn't work.
You have no statistics to back this up.
You're just talking shit.
jordan holmes
It's a made-up number.
dan friesen
Right, but what's more important is Alex uses this stuff to try and really work his audience into a fever pitch.
This is freedom versus slavery.
This is the most important battle of all of our lives.
And that's something important, because that sort of ethos, that headspace, is where he lives right now, today.
jordan holmes
Freedom versus slavery.
Absolutes.
Jedi versus Sith.
dan friesen
The current day of his show is not fun because he's legit at war.
And like anybody listening to this who's crazy, I think they would...
jordan holmes
This is an intention to violence.
dan friesen
They could really hurt somebody.
jordan holmes
They could really hurt people.
dan friesen
And it's not like he's saying anything illegal, but boy is it irresponsible.
And we're going to get to some of it.
It's just...
Listening to this bummed me out, especially after listening to 2015 for a bit.
Because it's like, at least in 2015, he's an idiot, but he's...
jordan holmes
Not trying to get people killed.
dan friesen
He's an interesting idiot then.
He's, oh no, idiot now.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So let's jump back into this.
He wants to talk about some headlines, and then do a WWE-style promo about the globalists.
alex jones
Just look at these headlines.
MSNBC's Brzezinski.
Trump is developing a dictatorship must be stopped.
MSNBC analyst compares Trump to a suicide bomber.
And of course another MSNBC host, an analyst, called for ISIS to hit Trump properties like Trump Tower.
dan friesen
So real quick, the lady who said that Trump is like a suicide bomber was saying that you shouldn't cuddle up to him because he's going to destroy you with him.
It was sort of a warning to GOP people that like, hey...
This is a dangerous thing.
I wasn't saying he's literally a suicide bomber.
jordan holmes
One that everybody is aware of and nobody in the GOP is paying attention to.
dan friesen
Much like a lot of these bombers that we end up seeing.
Oh, intelligence agencies were following them.
But be that as it may, the other thing he's talking about is that MSNBC analysts said we should blow up Trump Tower.
Again, that was Malcolm Nance.
jordan holmes
That was that same one before where it's like, if I were a terrorist.
dan friesen
Are you saying he predicted it?
He nominated it as the first most likely candidate.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And actually, Malcolm Nance was just on real time with Bill Maher, and a Breitbart editor was on with him.
alex jones
Oh boy.
dan friesen
And they were discussing the effect of fake news and stuff like this.
And that story that Alex is talking about has been run on Breitbart.
And so Malcolm was like, You know, something you posted on your site has caused death threats.
I have gotten, and my family have gotten death threats because of something that you lied about on your site.
And the guy was like, well, I'm gonna have to look at that.
I'm gonna have to look.
I don't know.
Fuck you!
Cowardly bullshit.
jordan holmes
You pussy bitch.
dan friesen
I don't know the story you're talking about.
I'm gonna have to look into that.
I don't know every story that goes up on the site.
That sort of dodge.
jordan holmes
But that's your gig!
dan friesen
I actually don't know what his full position was or anything like that.
It wasn't like it was Bannon.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
But be that as it may...
jordan holmes
Lackey, Bannon, lapdog?
dan friesen
Yeah, but be that as it may, Alex is...
Like, on that same tip, he's on the same story, and for all we know, he might be the one who's responsible for Malcolm Nance's family being threatened.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So, I mean, it's not true.
The story that he's telling is not true, and there's real-world harm that comes from pitching those narratives.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Now, admittedly, how do we know that it's not Malcolm Nance who is responsible?
For his family getting death threats.
dan friesen
That's a really good point.
jordan holmes
Have you considered that Malcolm Nance is sending his family death threats?
dan friesen
False flag.
jordan holmes
Either that or he genuinely hates his family.
It could be that.
dan friesen
It's possible.
jordan holmes
Could be that.
dan friesen
You know what?
You gotta look at this from all angles.
jordan holmes
Maybe that's his fetish.
Maybe that's his thing.
It gets him all...
Everything's more exciting whenever you feel like your wife could die at any moment.
dan friesen
Dear family.
Shit.
Cross that out.
jordan holmes
It's written on his own letterhead.
dan friesen
Yeah, nonsense.
Absolute nonsense.
All these stories that he's saying are not really true.
I mean, Mika Brzezinski did say that Trump is establishing a dictatorship, and I think a lot of people feel that way.
jordan holmes
That's because that's what he's doing!
dan friesen
Signs are pointing that way.
He mischaracterizes the...
The bomber story, the suicide bomber story, he mischaracterizes Malcolm Nance's stance.
jordan holmes
But even then, his mischaracterization of the suicide bomber story, I mean, he is like a suicide bomber.
Like, I would stand by it even out of context.
If somebody was just like, Trump is like a suicide bomber, I'd be like, yeah, he's trying to destroy the entire country.
dan friesen
Yeah, and take himself down with it.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
To get out of debt or blackmail, whatever bad situation he's in, he doesn't give a shit.
70 fucking years old.
He's done everything he needs to do.
Anyway.
alex jones
They say about Trump, they are.
They're trying to overthrow the election and set up a dictatorship of the bureaucracy and the deep state.
Connecticut campus shut as Professor flees following let them effing die tweet directing students to begin killing right-wingers and Trump supporters and all bigots saying smile a bit as you kill them.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
dan friesen
So this story...
jordan holmes
Hello, Nelly!
dan friesen
A story is about a professor from Trinity University who wrote a blog post called Let Them Fucking Die.
And the blog post, if you read it, is about how there are a lot of...
I mean, it's basically the rant you did when we talked about Steve Scalise.
But it's basically, there are people...
jordan holmes
Yeah, Dan!
Yeah!
Well, I got Trinity behind me now.
dan friesen
This blog post was a little more eloquent.
jordan holmes
Fuck you.
dan friesen
You were on the fly.
jordan holmes
If I was going to write something down, I'm sure it would be...
dan friesen
I agree.
jordan holmes
Actually, it would probably just be a transcript of the same shit that I said.
dan friesen
The blog, as it's written...
Is about how there are a lot of people who are oppressing people by race, by gender, what have you.
It's particularly focused on racial oppression.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And the argument that he's laying out isn't really an argument so much as it is a point that he wants to make, and that is that you will not get any brownie points from bigots for saving their lives.
jordan holmes
Oh, fuck no.
dan friesen
You will not.
You are being foolish if you, let's say, run into a burning building to save a bigot's life.
If you're a doctor and you save a bigot's life.
We live in this fantasy in our heads that like, "Oh, I was...
I hated black people, and then I was saved by a black person, and, you know, like some sort of Hallmark movie, It doesn't...
Work like that generally in the real world, and his argument is that we're coming to a crisis point, and you, if you are in a disenfranchised class, should never put yourself at risk to help someone.
Who hates you?
jordan holmes
There are black doctors in hospitals who have been specifically pointed out by people and said, I don't want that doctor to help me.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
There have been people who have...
dan friesen
And they hide behind bullshit like he's an affirmative action hire.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
That's complete and utter bigotry.
I'm not saying you should give out a questionnaire like, do you want a black doctor?
But I'm saying that we should fill emergency rooms with black doctors and they should just let white people die.
dan friesen
Well, I mean...
jordan holmes
I'm totally fine with that.
dan friesen
At least bigoted white people.
I don't know.
The argument that he's making...
jordan holmes
You can tell from the stomach lining.
dan friesen
Okay.
The argument that is laid out in that blog is not, like, actively go murder people.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It's just don't exert any effort to save people's lives.
jordan holmes
As I said, fuck Scalise.
Don't give a shit.
dan friesen
Again, reiterate your position.
You're not happy that he got shot.
jordan holmes
No, I wish we lived in a world where he could not have been shot.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I wish that were possible.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Since he has helped architect a world that has led to him getting shot, I think the world is a better place without him in it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So, fuck him.
alex jones
And as you murder them, more and more campuses are just totally having to shut because of mass total mental illness.
Unbelievable.
These are re-education camps, but they've been contained.
They're designed to be culture bombs.
They're designed to be social disruptor systems.
That's only classified.
But if you contain them, if you contain the weapon system and it can't replicate, it degrades and implodes on itself.
And they're going through a degrade implosion right now.
We're having devastating victories.
Devastating.
We're devastating the enemy worldwide.
They may set off a nuke in D.C. They may release a bioweapon.
unidentified
Wait, what?
alex jones
Soros and the globalists are very wicked.
Do not underestimate them.
But even if that happens, the survivors will dig them out of their bunkers.
We will dig you out of your bunkers no matter where you go, globalists.
Even if you release the bioweapon, we're fully aware of your plans.
Continuing, ladies and gentlemen.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
That is insanity.
unidentified
Wait, what?
dan friesen
That's insanity.
That's nuts.
He's already said that we're against the globalists.
jordan holmes
Is he selling shovels now?
He's selling shovels now, right?
dan friesen
He might be selling survival shovels.
jordan holmes
We're going to dig you out of the bunkers, buy my new Alex Jones branded shovel.
dan friesen
Now this is one of the best bunker digging shovels.
unidentified
It's actually a 50-gate shovel, yeah.
dan friesen
It's made only with deep earth steel.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we don't use none of these 9mm shovels.
They're too weak.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, look.
jordan holmes
What's the stopping power of a 9mm shovel?
Nothing.
dan friesen
Alex has never really experienced what college is, so I...
Discount his opinion quite a bit.
The situation with this professor at Trinity, he made a statement, and people are pretty mad about it.
jordan holmes
I wonder what people are mad about it.
dan friesen
The situation at Evergreen happened a little bit ago, like within the last month, that day of absence situation.
I think that's a little bit more nuanced than the people are really giving it credit.
I think that there's arguments on both sides.
He certainly...
The professor did not have the obligation to leave at all.
Right.
But I think he's being a fucking asshole for not considering...
jordan holmes
Yeah, my stance on that has wavered and then changed to fucking come on, dude.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Also, I mean, sure, the administration of that school is acting a little bit weird, but also...
I don't really care.
I think he should have left campus.
jordan holmes
Hey, professor.
Fucking come on, dude.
dan friesen
You don't have the right to not have actions that are dickish that you do not make you a shitheel.
Like, you are kind of an asshole and you should be treated like it, even if you make a principled stance against something that isn't hurting anybody.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
And the reality is...
jordan holmes
And it's just a fucking day off.
Just fucking take it.
Come on, man.
dan friesen
Labor rights.
The reality, too, is...
That those schools have had to be closed because of bomb threats and murder threats that are made by white supremacists.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're getting devastating victories.
Those quite literally are devastating victories for them.
I will give them that.
dan friesen
College is a culture bomb only in the sense that when you go to it, you're exposed to things you would not be exposed to otherwise, and it challenges your growth.
Those are the things that happen on most college campuses.
It's not liberal indoctrination.
Or anything like that.
That's a load of poor shit.
jordan holmes
I think the best liberal indoctrination is, of course, meeting people.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think that...
jordan holmes
Meeting people who disagree with you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Instead of living in a homogenous small town.
dan friesen
If you meet people on a global scale, you start to have a global worldview.
jordan holmes
Ah, then it is a re-education.
dan friesen
Globalism.
Yeah, absolutely.
So, I mean, the reality of all this is, you know, more nuanced, maybe slightly controversial things that people are saying that aren't, strictly speaking, racist or, you know, I Yeah, he's a dick.
Yeah, he's a dick.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
It's these liberals.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's these liberal kids.
They don't even fucking know anymore.
They're re-educated, but they're finally waking up to the patriots, and so they're finally getting out of it.
And the way that they express their newfound patriotism is by threatening to murder lots of people.
dan friesen
Well, you know what I've come to think about, too?
I've come to realize that on a certain level, every generation is kind of like a new operating system.
We have to reboot.
A little bit.
Humanity.
And so, maybe it's not strictly speaking every generation, but every now and again, there is like a cultural upgrade to our system that happens.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And one of them was sort of racial understanding.
Another one was homosexual lifestyle understanding.
Another one is trans understanding.
And it's not always as cut and dry as those things, but I think that we reboot a little bit.
And we have to integrate our worldviews.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And that is a process that a lot of people are resistant to.
Because they're like, no, I love Nintendo, the original.
I don't want Super Nintendo.
Or, bad example.
jordan holmes
Because everybody wanted Super Nintendo.
It's so much better!
dan friesen
Sundials are arguably very reliable, but watches are great, too.
There are people who hold on to, like, no, I don't want to be taken away from the old operating system that I'm very comfortable with and have to learn new ways to be accepting and understand the more robust view of humanity.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
But the problem...
jordan holmes
Well, I've occasionally had that response.
Well, actually, I've had that response multiple times where I had to actually stop and think through it before I said something dumb.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's part of the system upgrade is resistance to a certain extent, but you have to grow through that.
jordan holmes
Well, I used to use the word tranny.
dan friesen
Sure.
I think a lot of us did.
jordan holmes
Yeah, to me that was fine.
And then the first time that somebody was like, we don't say that anymore, I was like, eh, come on, fucking let me say it.
And then I thought about it and read about it and was like, oh yeah, why would I fucking say that?
What kind of asshole would say that?
dan friesen
Right, and that's the upgrade.
jordan holmes
And to me it was fine.
dan friesen
Right, that's a part of the upgrade.
That's a new program that you're running that is a superior program.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's better.
It doesn't hurt people.
And, you know, it's just...
But some people are, like, five upgrades back and they still throw the N-word around.
But be it as it may, like, the thing is, college students are kind of, like, they have a beta version of the upgrade.
I don't mean beta like beta alpha.
I mean, like, it's not...
it's a little glitchy.
They run the program, but their hardware isn't right for running it.
And so often they end up being really bad ambassadors of a good thing.
And so you have these college students who can come out and often they end up getting on TV and they say crazy dumb shit where what they mean is right but what they're saying is really unpolished Yeah.
Yeah.
Sees these college kids saying dumbass shit that I defend the spirit of but not the letter of.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And he's like, oh, look at them.
They all want to kill all white people and blah, blah, blah.
And he's just making fun of the...
It's like someone playing an early release of a video game and being like, oh, this is glitchy.
Not realizing that the polished version of it is an incredible game.
jordan holmes
I am not entirely certain whether or not that was an amazing metaphor or a tortured metaphor that you really ran through the ringer on that.
I don't know either.
Either you hit the nail on the head with that metaphor, and it extended throughout.
You went through the whole thing, you got from start to finish on it, and you even applied it to a separate situation.
Or that was fucking endless, and we all got it.
We all got it instantly, where you were like, oh, their software's old, ours is new.
We all figured it out immediately, and you were like, I bet I can milk this for another ten minutes.
dan friesen
Well, the point I really wanted to get to was the idea of the college students being a glitchy version of a good program.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And I think that it's really easy to make fun of kids for not being adults, and that's unfair to a certain degree.
Look, I don't know if that was great or terrible, but we'll find out when people hear this.
Tweet at me if I'm an idiot.
So, someone who is an idiot is Alex.
Like I said, most of this episode deals with Johnny Depp.
jordan holmes
How can he spend this much?
unidentified
It was a mediocre at best joke.
dan friesen
Well, here comes a rant.
alex jones
Let me put the cherry on top before I get this key report that Darren McBrain put together.
Johnny Depp is a drug addict meth head that looks like a child molester you'd see on the side of the road, okay?
jordan holmes
A lot of people look like child molesters in his work.
alex jones
Johnny Depp is a talentless joke trying to act cool.
Hey, Stevie Ray Vaughan can play the guitar great and had that style in the 80s.
He was cool.
You look like...
Just a joke stumbling around.
$600 million you made.
You lost it all.
You've got some other old, geezer, liberal, wannabe trendy.
I mean, I used to not like Hollywood.
I can't look at it.
I can't listen to it.
I can hardly put up with any of it anymore.
It is just so anti-human, so elitist, so drugged out, so brainwashed, so filthy rich, while it's bitching about Trump trying to cut taxes for the middle class and trying to get jobs back for factory workers.
dan friesen
That's what people are bitching about.
alex jones
It's just sick.
And I saw it this morning and couldn't find good audio of it because he's mumbling so bad.
And then he just sits there like he's such a genius when he says he dreams of killing Trump, of assassinating Trump, like he's the greatest genius ever.
And then you see a bunch of...
You just moronic, mind-numbed, zombie-looking twit fans, when he says it, just hold on every word like God had just said something.
No, a meth head loser joke punk jumped on the whole bandwagon of other harpies and sea hags like Madonna and everybody else saying kill, kill, kill, kill, kill Trump, kill his supporters, kill America, kill Christians, kill flyover country, bring in the radical Muslims, have women wear hijabs.
We're allied with anything that hates Christendom and hates Western civilization and hates free What is the good news?
What is the good news?
They want freedom.
They want families.
They want true diversity.
They want true open societies.
But not bullying brainwash facilities.
We see everywhere.
So Johnny Depp is such a pathetic.
I'm not just saying that.
You know it.
Just a doddering, drugged out with meth mouth.
He can barely talk.
Look like Carrie Fisher.
Feel sorry for her.
You know, she was a drug addict, admittedly, but at least she wasn't a hateful person politically.
Depp is this...
unidentified
Oh, fuck you!
jordan holmes
You do not know Princess Leia.
She was so hateful, dude.
alex jones
Looks like a child molester.
unidentified
Holy shit!
alex jones
Driving around in a creeper van.
And he's up there dreaming of can actors kill presidents?
Or have...
Oh, but I'm not an actor making a little joke trying to invoke murder and death.
Hey, Johnny Depp!
Can somebody find out where you're at sometime and walk up and pump a bunch of bullets into your sorry ass?
Because I don't want that to happen.
I don't walk around in people's yards trying to find dog crap to step in.
But you know, if dogs keep laying it down in front of us, we're going to step on some of you by accident, you jerk.
I mean, you think you're playing games here, boy?
You and you Hollywood scum bunch of wannabe gangsters?
You've taken America's kindness and openness to crap all over it.
And that time's coming to an end.
So to you and all the Hollywood gangsters and all of you, and I know who you are by name, you better watch your ass because we're going to kick your ass politically just like 1776.
You keep running your mouth and starting a violent war that you're beating the drums for?
You know what's going to happen to you.
Let's play Johnny Slimeball Depp.
unidentified
I think he needs help.
I don't know.
A lot of wonderful dark places he could go.
A lot of Doc Martens.
It's just a question.
I'm not insinuating anything.
By the way, this is going to be unrepresent.
It'll be horrible.
alex jones
It'd be horrible.
unidentified
I like that you're all a part of it.
When was the last time an actor assassinated a president?
alex jones
When was the last time somebody killed an actor for running their mouth?
dan friesen
I mean, seriously.
unidentified
Now, I want to clarify, I'm not an actor.
I lie for a living.
alex jones
That's right, you do, you piece of filth.
Turn him off.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Alex.
unidentified
Alex, how do you really feel about Johnny Depp?
dan friesen
I think you've already established.
I think he's established he's a piece of filth.
Look, I think Johnny Depp is spiritually ripping off Hunter S. Thompson to an extent I'm not comfortable with.
But at the end of the day, HST is dead.
So, uh, we need another one.
jordan holmes
Gotta get somebody out there.
dan friesen
Yeah, so let him be it.
jordan holmes
I, I was, I was trying to keep up with all of the insults.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Uh, one, I don't understand why he thinks Johnny, look, Johnny doesn't do meth.
dan friesen
He might have at some point.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm sure he does a lot of coke.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Who doesn't?
dan friesen
Meth is too cheap.
jordan holmes
Eh, why would you do, yeah.
Also, I mean, if you're going by that, that, uh, speed of speech.
Definitely not doing meth or coke recently.
dan friesen
No, and that's not drugs.
That's an intentional cadence that he puts on.
That's the Dr. Gonzo style.
unidentified
Well, I don't know.
dan friesen
It's a version of cool to him.
If Alex wanted to say, you're putting on an affectation, you're not this cool, or whatever, then we got a good argument.
jordan holmes
But you can't get to child molester after That's kind of an affectation, bro.
dan friesen
But also, you look like a child molester.
Stevie Ray Vaughan could pull that off in the 80s.
unidentified
Yeah, but what was that?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
What the fuck was that?
He needs to know more about Carrie Fisher because he would not feel sorry for her.
dan friesen
She was not hateful politically.
unidentified
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
Oh, you do not fucking know Carrie Fisher.
dan friesen
That was him just trying to backpedal a little bit because he's like, oh, she's dead.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
He will be the first to be like, I loved...
I love Johnny Depp in Nightmare on Elm Street.
I thought he was great in that.
That was a breakout role for him.
dan friesen
He was great in 21 Jump Street.
jordan holmes
Let's face it, the first Pirates movie wasn't that bad.
He did a great job.
It was a star turn.
It was a star turn.
dan friesen
I loved him.
jordan holmes
Sure, he said some things that I don't agree with, but he's dead.
We gotta respect his work.
dan friesen
Fine.
The other thing that I'm most offended by in there is Alex is He uses such safe speech, but he's threatening Johnny Depp's life.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
There's no way else to hear that other than, I want someone to kill Johnny Depp.
jordan holmes
Yeah, when's the last time an actor got killed for running his mouth?
dan friesen
Well, there's that.
jordan holmes
And he's implying that he hopes it's sooner.
dan friesen
Well, and then also, someone could find out where you are and pump a bunch of bullets in you.
I don't want that to happen.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, Alex?
Is irresponsible because he does not recognize how crazy his fans are.
Like, he knows.
And he doesn't apply the requisite caution.
If we had...
jordan holmes
If he applied the caution, then he wouldn't have the fans.
dan friesen
Right, but that's irresponsible to humanity.
Well, yeah!
Right, okay.
unidentified
You just explained the whole show!
dan friesen
Yeah, I guess I did.
jordan holmes
Alex Jones is bad for humanity.
dan friesen
Yep, and this next rant...
jordan holmes
I wish he could...
If there's one thing that I think should be restricted in his free speech rules is he's not allowed to say the word kindness.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
In his situation, he has said multiple times...
Oh, they shat on, or not shat, he wouldn't use the grammatically.
They screw up and they take advantage of America's openness and kindness.
dan friesen
They took a piss!
jordan holmes
Do you not understand that that is our openness and our kindness?
Exactly what we're talking about.
It's not something that is...
dan friesen
And the thing that he's attacking is the kindness.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly!
The only way he should be able to say the word kindness is if he first says...
Fuck people who are kind.
I hope they die.
dan friesen
We must abolish kindness.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Openness?
Does anybody want less openness than Alex Jones does?
dan friesen
No, I can't imagine a person.
jordan holmes
Like, restrict our borders.
We want sovereignty.
We want all this bullshit.
Like, all he's advocating for is close off the United States.
dan friesen
Except as it relates to guns.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, yeah.
dan friesen
Then...
jordan holmes
And, of course, he wants true diversity.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Which just means white.
dan friesen
Well...
jordan holmes
It just means white.
If you have to put the word true behind diversity, that means white.
Do you know what you could say?
I want diversity.
Which means I want all kinds of people here.
True diversity is like, you know what I mean.
Good diversity.
dan friesen
Speaking of true diversity, look out.
Because on our next episode where we're doing our investigation, spoiler alert, Alex Jones does get David Duke on the show.
jordan holmes
Fuck!
dan friesen
And he talks to him for two hours.
jordan holmes
Fuck!
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's going to be a whole episode.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
So look forward to that.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Dan.
dan friesen
Alex Jones interviewing former KKK Grand Dragon and wild anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist David Duke.
jordan holmes
Holy shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, I look forward to that.
Also look forward to this.
This next rant, Alex, ramps up some violent rhetoric a little more.
alex jones
But if you look at all of this, I mean, these people are on every channel there is, beating the drum incessantly to kill Trump, kill his family, kidnap his wife, rape her.
dan friesen
It's on Property Brothers.
alex jones
And Bow Wow had the sense to come out and apologize.
unidentified
And Snoop Dogg has had to shut his mouth.
alex jones
Because here's the deal.
You got your free speech, but you keep calling for killing people, and Trump supporters are getting shot and stabbed all over the place.
Carson got shot.
He was fighting for his life until just two days ago.
He's had a bunch of surgeries.
And you people are so evil, you go out and demonstrate and boo and hiss when people call for his recovery.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I do.
alex jones
That's who you are.
And you're running your mouths.
You live in the lap of luxury.
You run around acting tough and cool all day.
dan friesen
I want to say, like, I don't know what, like...
I don't know what calling for someone's recovery is going to do.
I don't know how much that's going to help.
This isn't like a Tinkerbell situation.
Also, I don't know how negative booing calls for someone's recovery is.
That seems very arbitrary.
jordan holmes
Yeah, also, I mean, if you're booing somebody's calls for recovery, it's like, well, neither of us are doing, neither of us are helping anybody out here.
dan friesen
It's a push.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I call for this man to heal.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Do you know what?
Here's the thing that I just now, I realize that that phrase, running your mouth, always suggests violence is the solution to it.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah, somewhat.
jordan holmes
He's running his mouth.
No, no, no, period.
Like, that's what he's running his mouth kind of suggests.
So punch him.
Close his mouth.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's, you know, if you say something like, oh, he's talking out of school or something along those lines.
unidentified
Talking trash.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's just.
Running your mouth is always violent.
dan friesen
I don't know if it has the same connotation.
jordan holmes
I'm sick of you running your mouth.
dan friesen
I don't know if it has the same connotation to me, but I feel like it's in the realm of talking shit.
This might just be you.
jordan holmes
This could just be me.
dan friesen
And it's because Alex says it a lot.
jordan holmes
Listen, Dan.
You're starting to run your mouth on me a little bit.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
alex jones
And you have no idea.
No idea.
No idea.
That goes for David Brock and all the rest of these people.
We're aware of their operations.
We're aware of their productions.
We're aware of all the different things they're up to.
And now the doctors, the scientists, the engineers, the surgeons have got their scalpels and their sutures and their instruments out.
And they're just deciding right now over the patient how much has to get cut out.
And can the patient even live?
But I will assure you in that process of that delicate surgery that you're going to get everything your evil little butts ever wanted.
And I take no pleasure in that.
I think it's pretty clear you're going to start a civil war.
In fact, I think it's clear we've eased into one.
And that's how a lot of wars and a lot of civil wars start is you never really have a demarcation line.
You don't have a shot heard around the world like we had in 1775.
You just kind of slip into the lawlessness.
And you guys are sowing the wind.
And you know what happens then?
You sow the wind, you reap the whirlwind.
And most of you can hardly talk, you can hardly walk.
It's like I was watching this morning, I saw a clip of The Wall, the music video from Pink Floyd, and it shows the kids going into the school normal, and they come out as little zombies, and they're just fed into a meat grinder.
So first they dehumanize you, then they feed you into a meat grinder.
And that's exactly...
How all of this works.
And so, you're now calling it a civil war.
You're saying you want an insurrection.
You're saying you want to hunt Trump supporters.
You're saying you want to bomb things.
They are delicious.
You're saying Trump's a dictator, but you've got your elite publications calling for his overthrow and how they're going to have new elections run by Obama's old homeland security.
dan friesen
We'll go back to the rant in a second.
jordan holmes
I don't understand that one.
New elections run by Obama's old homeland security?
dan friesen
This is one of the big fears that Alex Jones has, that Obama's national security people are going to run a new election.
And it's only based on the fact that...
Obama was aware of Russian meddling in the election and the lead up to it.
And so one of the things that he tried to do before he left office was make our elections a piece of federally protected infrastructure.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That was something that he tried to push through.
And Alex Jones has interpreted that as...
They're going to federalize the election, and it's going to be bedlam and blah, blah, blah, blah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would say automatic voter registry and a federal election is probably the best way to go.
Get rid of the electoral college and just make it a populist vote.
dan friesen
That's probably not a terrible idea.
We don't have time to unpack it here, but I just wanted to point that out.
jordan holmes
No, I think it's time for us to really get into the weeds on this one right here.
dan friesen
All right, let's do it.
jordan holmes
Election policy, go!
alex jones
And now you're going to take our guns, and you're going to shut the press off once and for all, and you're going to start with Alex Jones.
Good luck!
jordan holmes
Who said they were going to start with you?
alex jones
Really, good luck with all of that, fools.
The minute you try to actually shut us down completely, you take us from powerful to incredibly powerful.
You turn us into martyrs.
You take us to the next level.
You can't win, to quote episode four of Star Wars.
You strike us down, we become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
That's history.
That's art imitating life, not life imitating art.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
That's the truth.
We have the upper hand as long as we're moral, as long as we're focused, as long as we have courage, and as long as we don't back down to you people, you're going to lose.
It's not like Korea, where you set up a dictatorship where people never had freedom for thousands of years.
And we're a hermitage-controlled vice system of China under vassal control.
It's not like you're coming out of the Orthodox Christian and then the czars and some of the oppressions in Russia into something even worse.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, get that music on.
alex jones
The whole world's coming out of globalism.
The Renaissance is spreading.
And this is only the birth pains of that.
But that renaissance is humanity getting its feet on the ground before we face the AI and the Antichrist.
unidentified
So all this stuff you see is just testing.
dan friesen
That's a real fucked up way to end that.
jordan holmes
Wait, wait.
So, alright, well, one, I can't even deal with Hollywood and everything is movie references.
dan friesen
Everything.
jordan holmes
Everything is movie references.
dan friesen
Or music video in this case.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't know if he's ever had anything that wasn't a movie reference to...
dan friesen
Predictive programming, baby.
jordan holmes
But here's the thing that's really surprising to me about the Renaissance's spreading narrative, because I haven't heard that one.
He's occasionally talked about how France with Le Pen and then Brexit, he's talked about how that stuff is good.
I don't understand why he's saying that it's happening worldwide now, other than if he's supporting...
dan friesen
That's what he's talking about.
He's talking about, like, Brexit, Le Pen, and...
jordan holmes
Well, he's bringing up Korea, and he's bringing up Africa and Central America, and all these places.
dan friesen
No, in that instance, he's talking about how you can't take away freedom in America because we had it, and you're trying to oppress us, as opposed to in Korea, where they never had it.
It's much easier to keep them in this oppressive state, in North Korea.
He was not specific enough.
But the Renaissance is going worldwide is references to Le Pen, Brexit.
Right.
You wouldn't say Russia, but he does say Russia sometimes.
It's like, oh, they kicked out the oligarchs.
They're just trying to kick out the globalists.
That's why everyone hates Russia, because they're stripping themselves from globalist influence.
jordan holmes
I can't imagine an interpretation of the world that believes Russia has kicked out any oligarchs.
Well, it's Alex's.
Maybe they've kicked out the old oligarchs and replaced them with the new ones.
But yeah, oligarchs, that's Russia.
dan friesen
But that's Alex's version of the new renaissance, is these countries he deems as having kicked out the oligarchs.
unidentified
Like, why would you, but...
jordan holmes
But then we have to really get into how his definition of globalist works.
dan friesen
We can't do that.
jordan holmes
Because how can you be like, look at these other countries, they're doing things right, and yet at the same time say, we don't need to worry about any other countries, it's all about America.
You can't do both.
So if you're spreading this renaissance narrative going worldwide, then what you're talking about is just the growing nationalist resurgence.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Which is...
I don't understand why you think that's a good idea.
dan friesen
Well, it's wanting it both ways.
It's like, I want every country to be their own version of America first, and we want every country to be harshly nationalistic and xenophobic and close their borders and stuff like that, not realizing that the end result of that is...
Everyone fighting each other.
jordan holmes
Everyone!
All the time!
dan friesen
Yeah, it will turn things back to, like, city-states.
jordan holmes
Like, does he?
dan friesen
Like, parts of countries will secede.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You will just have a complete destruction of any kind of international cooperation, which is, I mean, that would be a positive goal for him.
But he conveniently leaves off the part where everyone's interests will butt into each other in ways that we do not have at that point any way to negotiate.
Yeah.
unidentified
We won't have the international bodies like the UN or the EU that can negotiate and resolve issues before they turn into, you know, all our war.
dan friesen
War is the inevitable result of his everyone should be harshly nationalistic.
And it's the same way...
jordan holmes
And I think he's right when he says civil war is the end result of that kind of harsh nationalism, at least in the United States.
dan friesen
It's the same way that most libertarian shit is kind of stupid, in terms of, like, the outcome that you want isn't the outcome that's going to come.
You know, like, just in the case of, like, deregulation that conservatives and libertarians want so badly, they think that it'll, like, boost the economy and everybody will live in a much better place.
But all you're going to end up doing is empowering people who already have power.
All of the businesses will be able to run roughshod over our interests, and we'll never get to this happy fantasy land that's on the other end.
jordan holmes
I can't think of any historical time period wherein regulation was at an all-time low.
Oh, no, no, I can't think of one.
It was the 20s.
dan friesen
Not a lot of regulation back then.
jordan holmes
Do you remember when children were working?
You know what?
I want to bring back those coal mine children jobs.
I think that's our big issue.
And do you know what Kellyanne Conway said about the health care bill?
dan friesen
Get a job.
jordan holmes
Get a job.
30 million kids are going to get kicked off Medicaid.
What are we going to do with them?
Put them in the workforce.
We don't want them to go into schools.
Schools are just re-education camps.
Do you know where we want them going?
dan friesen
Where?
jordan holmes
Work camps.
dan friesen
That's not a terrible idea.
jordan holmes
That's not a...
How else?
dan friesen
Get things moving.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
How else do you grow?
dan friesen
And then we take all these old people who are just fucking sucking off the government teat at nursing homes with dementia and stuff.
Hey, why don't you work at the nursing home?
jordan holmes
Have you considered that?
That's not a terrible idea.
dan friesen
Hey, you old asshole, pick up a mop.
jordan holmes
That's not a terrible idea.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But that's the thing about Alex, I believe, is that...
I don't know what causes this, and I don't know what the underlying thing is, but I don't think he's thought through the reality of the things that he's espousing.
Like, the idea of free market sounds good, because it's free.
jordan holmes
Freedom?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Market.
I like both of those things.
dan friesen
But the steps that you take to get there, and the steps that he seems to encourage, are all things that will have disastrous consequences.
unidentified
Well, the problem with saying free market...
dan friesen
And nationalism is the same thing.
jordan holmes
The problem with saying free market...
Is that you don't realize how much work goes into keeping it free.
Like the idea of...
dan friesen
It's not a natural state.
unidentified
No!
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
The natural state is very, very unfree.
dan friesen
It's abusive.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It's awful.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's very powerful people crushing people who have no power.
jordan holmes
And that's kind of the thing that you get into with just understanding language is that, to me, the idea of a free market is everyone having...
An opportunity to kind of compete.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, like, I think that's a good idea.
dan friesen
Equal access.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Like, net neutrality.
To me, nothing embodies the free market more than net neutrality.
Everyone is capable of using the internet.
At an equal rate.
At an equal level.
Whenever you deregulate that, and...
Then you can charge for fast lanes.
You do not have a free market.
You have a closed-off market.
One where only people who are already rich enough to participate in it can do so at this level.
And it makes it damn near impossible to move from that lower-tiered lane into the higher one.
dan friesen
Yep.
And those are concrete, short-term examples of the hellscape.
That exists on the way to a hypothetical nirvana that Alex espouses.
In the same way that every country being nationalistic, I don't even know if there is a fantasy land that's at the end of that, but in the interim, it's just war.
jordan holmes
I think there is a fantasy land.
dan friesen
What?
Feudalism?
jordan holmes
No.
Humans being eradicated from the earth entirely, and it's allowed to grow.
dan friesen
Which is what Alex is against.
jordan holmes
And new life forms are allowed to evolve.
dan friesen
Alex thinks that's what globalists want.
He's against that.
jordan holmes
I'm starting to be for it.
dan friesen
Well, you're a globalist.
Anyway, so Alex...
jordan holmes
I am a globalist in the sense that I prefer the globe to what's on it.
dan friesen
I like globes.
In that last clip, Alex said that we're probably eased into a civil war, but there's no shot that was heard around the world.
There's no demarcation line.
jordan holmes
Oh, I think there is a pretty loud one.
dan friesen
The election of Trump.
In this next clip, Alex has a different demarcation line.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
alex jones
That's all coming up, and I'm going to play this powerful...
Peace that deals with how they're trying to start a civil war and how we're already entered one.
Mark your calendars.
With Congressman Scalise getting shot a week and a half ago.
In fact, what date was that, please, folks?
Look that up for me.
Because I was really thinking about this this morning and last night.
That's when the civil war went from a cold civil war, a culture war, a bullying war, a leftist temper tantrum, stabbing, shooting, killing, burning a few people, to targeting Congress.
And then the media, Wolf Blitzer and others, and Democrat operatives saying, hunt Republicans.
Too bad this wasn't more coordinated.
This is when they fully bought into it.
Because you can go back, you know, three years ago, two years ago.
The case for rioting, Newsweek.
You can find all those articles.
But now it's official.
They've decided they're going to put their boots on, they're going to load up their firearms, their clips, and they're going to march out and start killing people.
jordan holmes
What about the militarized police?
alex jones
All I'm going to say is what Colonel Jackson said, don't fire until you see the whites of their eyes.
Quite frankly, we can just hold and keep letting them kill us.
I'm sorry for those of you killed.
And don't respond offensively.
We're winning the info war with us right now.
In fact, if I was a globalist, I would have already staged some false flags.
They just know law enforcement and others are pretty much on our side and are watching every move.
So it's hard for the globalists to run false flags now.
dan friesen
Convenient.
alex jones
So Scalise was shot June 14th.
I'd say that's the shot heard around the world.
I mean...
You could argue we were already in a civil war before that and they're calling for violence and killing the president and his family and every major publication and for overthrowing the government and arresting me and we're all Russian agents.
Anybody that stands up for America?
Russian agents.
Yeah, right.
They're the globalist agents and they know it.
But June 14th.
dan friesen
That's when the civil war started.
June 14th.
So, in that clip, Alex is literally saying...
That a hot civil war has started, and it wasn't us that started it.
And then he's further saying, we could wait and let them shoot us.
Now, he doesn't say or.
jordan holmes
And he's very clearly defined why it is...
We don't want assault weapons available.
dan friesen
I think it's a great case.
jordan holmes
They used to say fire until you see the whites of their eyes, suggesting you should know who it is that you are attacking.
dan friesen
Sure, sure.
jordan holmes
But instead, we're just going to hold down the trigger and mow people down.
And I'm sorry for those of you who get killed who weren't participating in it.
dan friesen
You're actually mischaracterizing that.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
He in that was saying we could, as patriots, his side, We could wait until they kill us.
And I'm sorry about those of you who will end up getting killed.
But what he conveniently doesn't do is give the other side of that disjunction.
The other side of that or statement.
He doesn't get to that.
And the other side of that is implicitly or preemptive attack.
We can get offensive.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And if you are someone who's prone to listening to him and...
jordan holmes
Like a white nationalist.
dan friesen
You have no other way to hear that than that implied other side.
Because what he's describing is very negative.
We can wait until they come and kill us, and I'm sorry about those of you who are going to die.
That's a really negative one.
The implied other side, maybe some of our guys don't have to die.
That's, I mean, this is really fucking irresponsible.
jordan holmes
That's, yeah, that's so close to...
Openly advocating people start killing.
dan friesen
A thousand percent.
jordan holmes
It's close enough to warrant, like, at the very least an investigation.
dan friesen
I would say it's close enough for jazz, as they say.
I don't think Alex wouldn't like that expression.
jordan holmes
No, I think he would think you were running your mouth.
dan friesen
Probably.
Run your mouth, fill your hand.
That should be on a shirt.
jordan holmes
That is good.
That's an Alex Jones shirt.
God damn it.
Why are we doing his job better than him?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I'd buy that shirt.
jordan holmes
I would buy that shirt.
dan friesen
What a great shirt.
And then just the entire one.
jordan holmes
I mean, I wouldn't fucking wear it because that's a terrible shirt.
dan friesen
Run your mouth, fill your hand on the front.
And then on the back, just a transcription of the rant he had about Adam Schiff.
That would be great.
So, in this next clip, Alex...
jordan holmes
Either that or the four ways to learn.
unidentified
I think I would put the four ways to learn on the back of that shirt.
dan friesen
Four ways to learn.
Reading?
jordan holmes
No, that's not in there.
dan friesen
Providence?
There we go.
jordan holmes
Genetic race memory, that's one of the ways to learn.
Everybody knows that one.
That's how you learn.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex explains that a lot of his understandings about authoritarianism.
jordan holmes
Oh boy, I'm guessing he does not understand it at all.
dan friesen
And then it slips into, he might get back to Johnny Depp.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was going to say, I would almost guarantee he gets back to Johnny Depp.
dan friesen
He might.
alex jones
The twilight zone that is authoritarianism, the wicked altar that so many have worshipped throughout history, it always behaves the same and always acts the same.
It's not based on creativity or open society and freedom.
It's based on tyranny and oppression and death.
And now that very system is here masquerading as liberalism.
Masquerading as the arts.
Masquerading when it's a weapons system.
Johnny Depp from Kentucky.
Posing like he's British in every major movie he's in with a fake accent in England.
dan friesen
He's an actor.
alex jones
Running down our president and hoping he dies.
jordan holmes
This Benedict Cumberbatch asshole.
alex jones
And if somebody kills Johnny Depp, which I hope doesn't happen, or one of these other Hollywood turds, the media won't ever point out that they called for violence.
Or Wolf Blitzer has a guest on and says, oh, I knew the guy that did this.
He wasn't evil.
He was just upset about politics.
He was a nice guy.
Wolf Blitzer took it like it was a statement he agreed with.
jordan holmes
That's how Wolf Blitzer takes everything.
Wolf Blitzer is the most useless man in the history of the world.
dan friesen
Very boring.
But he again threatens Johnny Depp implicitly.
jordan holmes
What if somebody killed him?
I'm not hoping somebody does.
dan friesen
But if they did, they'd never say he called for violence.
I don't know if he did.
He made a joke.
jordan holmes
That's the OJ school of calling for violence.
What if I did kill Nicole Brown Simpson?
I hope nobody kills her.
dan friesen
Dear Lord, this is a bad thing.
He's just on stage, like, sweating.
So the other thing is, he's talking about Wolf Blitzer interviewing a guy who knew the guy who shot Steve Scalise.
And the guy said that he was just fed up with politics and he was a good guy.
And Alex can be mad about that all he wants, but that's really basically what happens with any interview with someone who knew a serial killer.
If you watch any documentary about serial killers, generally they're like...
I never would have predicted this from him.
jordan holmes
He was a really quiet guy.
He kind of mostly stuck to himself.
Every interaction I've had with him, he was always really nice at the grocery store.
We always used to talk.
He would say, how's the weather?
And I'd say, it's good.
And that would be the end of our interaction.
Probably a serial killer.
dan friesen
And if Alex wants to, like, complain about, like, how do these people not know their friends better?
That's a valid complaint.
But if he wants to complain about Wolf Blitzer not being like, hey, you fucking asshole, you know you're lying.
To the guy.
I don't think that's his place.
I don't think that's Wolf Blitzer's job.
I don't think he's broadcasting propaganda by interviewing a guy about his potentially limited perspective on the shooter.
But that's nonsense.
jordan holmes
Also, that'd be a weird, weird thing if you just heard Wolf Blitzer go like, Nah, you knew he was a murderer, didn't you?
dan friesen
Tell me.
alex jones
Yeah, come on.
jordan holmes
You knew he was a murderer.
unidentified
Come on.
dan friesen
You got blitzed.
jordan holmes
There we go.
unidentified
Why are we doing Wolf Blitzer's job better than him now?
dan friesen
Someone get us funding!
So, the other thing, too, though, is he's talking about, like, A, you know, if someone goes ahead and murders Johnny Depp, or these other Hollywood people, these turds in Hollywood, or Wolf Blitzer.
He's throwing Wolf Blitzer even in with that, like, people-who-should-be-murdered camp.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And rhetorically, it's very dangerous.
The type of stuff he's saying is incredibly dangerous.
But he's not done.
alex jones
And all over the news, from the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Huffington Post, they're out there hoping the president dies and saying, you know, too bad.
This is so uncoordinated.
And he didn't know how to use the firearm properly.
Too bad he can only, you know, shoot two cops and almost kill them and almost kill the congressman and almost kill another person.
You know, too bad.
Johnny Depp.
What a drugged-out, fried brain.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's debatable.
unidentified
Idiot.
alex jones
Let's run that clip one more time of somebody that wants to run his mouth.
unidentified
One more time.
alex jones
Because the word's gone out.
Call for violence.
Call for violence.
Start the Civil War.
Start the Civil War.
If there's a real hot Civil War, which we're sliding into, bro, we're already in one, we're sliding down, I will assure you you're going to be held responsible and you're...
Publicist and others that have pushed you to do this.
dan friesen
Publicist?
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
You're trying to organize massive bloodshed and killing and crimes, and you're using your platform to do it, and you will be held accountable.
dan friesen
That's projection.
jordan holmes
How will you be held accountable?
dan friesen
Well, that's projection of guilt.
He's saying that you're using your massive platform to call for violence and you will be held responsible.
jordan holmes
Nah, I can't think of anything.
dan friesen
There's a small part of him that's got to be worried about, like, I'm probably going to go down for some of this.
We've seen it in the past.
We've seen repeated instances of his listeners doing the things he says they should do.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The guy who broke into Bohemian Grove heavily armed to kill people was motivated by Alex Jones.
That lady last month or two months ago who was sending death threats to the Sandy Hook parents was motivated by Alex Jones.
Literally.
She said it.
The guy who showed up at Comet Ping Pong with a gun motivated by Alex Jones.
That's not 100% his fault, in the sense that I don't think he necessarily should be arrested for those things, but the fact that he's so flippant and disregards the effect that he has on mentally ill people means, like, oh, you're just going to keep pushing it until something really, really bad happens.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm surprised more people haven't been out-and-out murdered.
dan friesen
Imagine a scenario where that guy who had the gun at Common Ping Pong, he very easily could have accidentally killed somebody.
I don't think he showed up there to kill people, but he could have accidentally killed somebody.
In that case, how does the conversation go differently?
If something had happened with that lady and the Sandy Hook families, if she had shown up at one of their houses or something like that, how is the story different?
It's only different based on how far the crazy person took it.
They took it way too far, just not to the extent where now there's deaths.
jordan holmes
Well, it'd be interesting to see I would say, if we start going around to the recent hate crimes being committed, and just started asking around, like, you guys listen to Alex Jones?
dan friesen
Bro?
jordan holmes
I wouldn't be surprised if there were some yeses.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, I don't know how solid the reporting on this, but from what I've been able to find, Tamerlan Sarnev, one of the Boston bombers, was a big InfoWars fan, too.
So, like, I mean, and I know Alex's argument that he would make any of these.
me as a crazy person.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
They do these false flags and then they associate their patsy with InfoWars in order to turn the public against me premeditatively.
And that's okay.
Great.
unidentified
Good argument.
dan friesen
You inspire crazy people to do very bad things.
jordan holmes
That's a good argument, too.
dan friesen
Yeah, because you paint all of your enemies as pedophiles.
jordan holmes
Child molesters?
dan friesen
You paint them as murderers who want to kill everybody.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
You use a book you don't understand to say that they're poisoning the water.
jordan holmes
Aborting all the black children.
dan friesen
So fucking insane.
jordan holmes
Everybody is the most evil.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, it's amazing to me that you can't just criticize Johnny Depp without bringing in...
He's a child molester.
dan friesen
Well, he looks like one.
jordan holmes
Or he looks like a child molester.
dan friesen
He's probably got a creeper van.
jordan holmes
Yeah, just like, hey, you don't like what he said.
You don't think he's a very good actor.
We can debate that.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I saw the revamped Willy Wonka.
I know what's up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
But...
jordan holmes
Like, you don't need to call him a child molester.
dan friesen
No, and if someone were to, like, just strictly attack Alex's physique or whatever, he would be like, why you gotta descend ad hominem?
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
That's fucking bullshit.
jordan holmes
He would whine so hard if somebody was like, look at this motherfucking brain-force-mouthed motherfucker.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He would be like, no, that's not how I...
You're attacking my appearance.
dan friesen
Would you believe, Jordan, that this next clip...
It has more to do with Johnny Depp.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
And then the news says, oh, Jones, he made a guy that had been his listener go in there and do it.
Alex told him to go be found, which I never said.
dan friesen
He's talking about the guy who showed up at Comic-Pong.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we actually, you know...
jordan holmes
So we are getting a slice of that argument as to...
Why it's not his fault or why he has no real influence.
dan friesen
Right, and he's going to lie about what he said about Pizzagate.
I would recommend everyone to go find that clip that we have played in the past where he says people should go check it out.
And he posted erroneous false information on his website about the Comet Ping-Pong.
He claims that he didn't, and he's just absolutely lying.
jordan holmes
And even then, if you just say, go check it out.
You've established that it is a den of pedophiles, traffickers, murderers, the worst human beings available.
Right.
So if you're saying go check it out, what's implied there is if you check it out unarmed, you might get...
dan friesen
You're probably going to die.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
I mean, even in that video Jack Posobiec posted of himself going to Comet Ping Pong, now he's probably kind of drunk or high in that video.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he and his friend were even talking about being kind of scared.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
About what they could find going to a family eatery.
Yeah.
It's nonsense, but you're totally right.
The implied thing there is you might die, so be careful.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's not encouraging someone to show up with a notepad and ask some hard-hitting questions.
jordan holmes
I mean, but that seems like it would be a better use of people's time.
dan friesen
Right.
I mean, I've seen videos of people who went with cameras to Comet Ping Pong, and James Oliphantus himself.
Went outside and talked to them, answered questions.
He took one of them inside and showed him all around.
He was like, oh yeah, back here, here's the kitchen.
Just took him around and was like, yeah, what do you want to know?
I think this is nonsense, but if you guys need to be out there protesting, do you want a coffee?
It's just super nice to them.
jordan holmes
Listen, I don't normally do this.
You guys want a slice?
We don't sell them by the slice here, but listen, you guys seem nice.
Nice gets you a slice.
dan friesen
Slice has baby pieces in it.
No, I mean, it's all nonsense.
jordan holmes
That would be the best little...
Like, just...
Okay, go ahead and turn the camera off.
It's all true.
It's all true.
Oh my god, it's all true.
They've got me locked up in the back there.
Turn the camera back on.
You guys want some coffee?
dan friesen
Yeah, that would be pretty fun.
jordan holmes
That would be great.
dan friesen
So here's Alex lying about that shit.
alex jones
See, I'm guilty of some guy going and supposedly shooting a hole in the roof that witnesses that were there that I interviewed said they didn't hear a gunshot, they didn't see it happen.
But the D.C. police, the same ones that let crowds of folks attack Trump supporters at the inauguration, and the D.C. police involved in all the stuff we've seen, they say it happened.
And then a guy who was an actor on an already felony plea deal in another state, So no one ever said he was necessarily the author of it.
dan friesen
They said he pushed it.
No one ever said he was guilty of the guy showing up there.
People just talked about how he was influenced by Alex.
Right.
unidentified
And it's really shameful now that his new spin is it probably didn't even happen.
dan friesen
And if it did, that guy was a patsy.
It's very narcissistic.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
The moving parts required for that to be true are insane.
The moving parts required for the real version of the story that a crazy person came and looked around with a gun because he had listened to Alex be very...
Awful on the air about the comic ping pong.
No moving parts.
jordan holmes
One.
Crazy guy.
Just to be sure, just to be clear, we talk about a massive conspiracy theorist, and we try and keep the phrase Occam's razor out of it, because then what's the goddamn point?
That's no fun.
If we just go in with Occam's razor, man, we're here going like...
Nah, that doesn't make sense.
There's too much shit going on.
How about it's just one dude?
I'm really frustrated by his characterization of the police now.
Because it's always 100% support the police.
Most of them are patriots.
They're all on our side.
Then it's these DC police making everything up just to smear me.
And then you've got the last episode when it's, police can sometimes be drug dealers and thugs in their own right, and I don't like these guys.
And there's always this implied, you need to know that there are good cops and bad cops, but you don't know who they are.
unidentified
And the good cops probably shoot black people in his world.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It's very much something where...
You would think that he'd try to have some kind of through line.
Some kind of baseline for how you should treat cops.
And he just doesn't.
Like he's lumping in the D.C. police with the Pizzagate people.
dan friesen
He doesn't have a through line of what makes one good, what makes one bad.
It's very, you know, just catch as catch can.
Whatever the circumstances are.
jordan holmes
Well, he does have a through line.
Did you do what I agreed with?
dan friesen
Does it serve my narrative?
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So anyway, here we go.
alex jones
But I figured out they were going to do it and that what was being reported by the press wasn't accurate.
We pulled back on it.
So we become the authors of it.
We become who's behind it.
We become the devil that wants violence when we're the ones saying never be violent offensively.
Treat the Second Amendment with great respect as you do the first.
We're not the ones running around saying kill everybody.
We're not the ones saying bomb Trump Tower.
Like MSNBC is.
We're not the ones saying he's a suicide bomber at the same time.
We're not the ones saying Trump's a dictator.
We're not the ones saying kill, kill, kill.
Kill this person, kill that person.
But what's Johnny Depp going to do if somebody who isn't an actor like him, somebody who doesn't just talk, kills him?
They're going to turn it into how the horrible right wing did this and that.
They're eliciting their fans getting killed, their minions, their zombies, that they're out there on these huge platforms saying, do the right thing.
Go kill Trump or kill his supporters.
Hey, white boy, get ready to be shanked.
You're wearing a Trump hat.
It's political intimidation, and it's not working for them.
So what are they going to do next?
dan friesen
What are they going to do?
We'll find out in the next clip.
jordan holmes
Did you just tease the next clip?
unidentified
I did.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
Are we going to do a last time before we introduce the next clip?
dan friesen
Last clip.
jordan holmes
Last time on the previous clip.
dan friesen
Alex said, what are they going to do?
So, the thing there is, we get a real glimpse into how Alex Jones thinks the world operates.
And it's kind of fascinating.
Well, I mean, let's just deal with first.
He, again, is threatening Johnny Depp.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because he said someone who's not an actor, someone who doesn't just talk.
jordan holmes
Also, you just talk, you fucking idiot!
dan friesen
Right, but those are positive attributes in the sort of world of macho Alex Jones.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Somebody who works a site.
dan friesen
Implicitly, what he's saying is, some real man comes along, he's gonna kill you.
And that's not good.
That's very irresponsible.
Again, people are going to hear that coded language.
But beyond that, he seems to think that The globalists want a civil war, and so they're putting out these messages that no one else is really picking up on except for him, and that is the jump off.
Let's jump off.
Let's do this.
Let's provoke the patriots into attacking us and create a civil war.
When he's the only person, I really think, that is experiencing those things, probably because of brain damage.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's very dangerous.
jordan holmes
I'm having trouble with his language because...
And I feel like it's part of doing this podcast and listening to so much Alex Jones.
It's hard not to talk in the language of violence now.
I'm struggling to do it there.
He's saying, like, minions kill Trump and all of these things and everything is violence.
Every metaphor is violent.
Everything that he's talking about is always the threat of violence or the implied threat of violence.
Totally.
All I can think of when he says, like, they're starting a civil war and all this shit is that kind of lizard reaction of like...
unidentified
Yeah, we are starting a civil war, and we're gonna get violent.
dan friesen
Well, that's not good.
jordan holmes
No, it's getting into my fucking brain, Dan.
Dan, what if you've radicalized me?
Did you consider that option?
dan friesen
That's unintentional.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, you're just as bad as Alex Jones if I go to that pizza place.
dan friesen
But I don't think you will, unless you want a slice.
jordan holmes
No, I mean...
dan friesen
They don't sell by the slice.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, if I protest, they will.
dan friesen
My reaction is, I hear him doing all this, like, they're trying to start a civil war, they're promoting violence.
And all I hear is, you are trying to do that.
Not you, Alex.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
That's all I get.
I get, like, projection.
I get...
Because I look into the stories that he cites, and I look into his sources, and all of them don't accurately depict his representation of it.
So I know that either he's unaware of the nuanced reality of stuff, or he's intentionally twisting it to serve his purposes.
And either way, what he's doing is feeding into separation.
He's feeding into radicalization, balkanization, the thing he's super afraid of.
He's making his followers so much further from the rest of the general population.
And the end result of that, much like extreme nationalism, is just war.
It's just going to be eventually...
And this rhetoric can't get ramped down.
This sort of thing isn't something that he can de-escalate on his own, really.
There has to be something that is a payoff to this.
In the same way that in 2015, all of the economic collapse talk, the payoff, the blow-off of the feud, as they say in wrestling, is Ted Anderson selling people gold.
That's to prep you for that.
Now, hopefully, all of this rhetoric is just leading to a sales pitch.
Hopefully, down the line, it just leads to that.
Because the only other logical blow-off is...
jordan holmes
Actual violence.
dan friesen
He's hoping that something happens and he's just waiting.
For some tragedy to happen, and then he can spin his, well, if it's a minority, I can say that they're attacking us.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And if it's a white person, I can say it's a false flag.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
He's just waiting for something to happen to validate his rhetoric.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's really fucking, it's a bummer.
jordan holmes
And the way he's talking, too, is in the same way that he can't de-escalate on his own.
If he escalates it, even a slight bit from here, he's out and out calling for civil war.
dan friesen
He's reached essentially his ceiling.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Any higher than this and we're in crime territory.
dan friesen
Yeah, because he's already obliquely threatening people.
Like, specifically threatening people.
jordan holmes
And not far away from the, oh, that dude's threatening to kill me.
dan friesen
In the context of, like, we're in a hot civil war, it started on June 14th.
Uh, they're coming at us.
Some of us are gonna die if we don't, uh, get offensive.
All of this stuff, taken as a whole, is, like, we know what you're saying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's bad.
jordan holmes
Time to start, uh, time to start murk.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
Murking people.
dan friesen
So, uh, he, uh, you know.
jordan holmes
This is, this is really scary stuff.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, I find this to be...
dan friesen
I almost don't want to play the rest of the clips.
There's not really anything else that fits this theme, but he complains about Joe Scarborough a little bit.
jordan holmes
Alright, well that sounds fun.
dan friesen
Yeah, maybe that'll take the edge off.
jordan holmes
Let's play some Joe Scarborough hate.
dan friesen
Alright.
jordan holmes
I don't like Joe Scarborough.
alex jones
They're going to get more hysterical, and they're going to push more and more, and almost all of them, like Nika Brzezinski and everybody, have never gotten their feet wet.
They've never gotten their hands dirty.
Now, Scarborough, a little bit different there.
And he's got his little hands dirty a couple times.
He's got a little boy right there.
A little pumpkin head.
It's like Mars attacks.
Aliens wearing a wig because the head's really so big.
It's really a gray alien from Mars.
I think Scarborough might be one of them.
I'm joking.
But he does have like a Martian head.
I mean, good God.
Imagine if he shaved that thing.
He's got a Martian head.
But getting back to the famous mass murderer's daughter.
jordan holmes
Yeah, let's get back to that.
alex jones
She's saying, Amika is saying, That he's developing a dictatorship.
No, we're removing the face-sucking cancer.
We're removing you.
So you sit there in your ivory tower with all your billions of dollars daddy got, and you sit up there just imagining you're in some existential war with the horrible coal miners and the horrible ranchers and the horrible policemen and the horrible air traffic controllers and the horrible mechanics and the horrible soldiers.
And you just imagine how you're the hyper-elite, you're the intellectual, you go to the white-tie and black-tie events, you perch up on top of us, and you're going to teach us culture, and you're going to make our children grow up the way you want our kids to grow up.
You're going to run our lives.
Let me tell you.
dan friesen
So just to take a quick break there.
I like the Joe Scarborough's an alien.
No, he's not.
He's not.
I'm just joking around.
What he was talking about there in case you don't...
jordan holmes
Yeah, how did he get his hands dirty?
You don't know about that?
How did he get all pervy on us?
dan friesen
Well, there was an intern of Joe Scarborough's that was found dead in his office when he was a senator.
jordan holmes
No shit!
dan friesen
He was a representative.
He was in the House, I believe.
He was in Congress.
I don't remember.
I don't care because I don't like Joe Scarborough.
jordan holmes
He's a pile of garbage.
dan friesen
But yeah, on July 20th, 2001, one of Scarborough's aides died after hitting her head on a desk when she fainted while alone in Scarborough's Florida office.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's obviously a cover-up.
dan friesen
According to Scarborough, soon after the death, allegations spread all over the internet that he had been involved.
There was an investigation and no evidence of foul play.
jordan holmes
And what date did you say this was?
dan friesen
2001.
It was right before 9-11.
jordan holmes
Wait, July?
dan friesen
Yeah, it was a Gary Condit situation.
jordan holmes
So we're a month and a half before 9-11.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think that obviously means Scarborough helped plan it.
She pepper-potsed her way into what's-his-evil-face's-name, stole those documents, but Scarborough found her first, dropped her head into the dust.
Boom.
dan friesen
Done.
jordan holmes
El Caban, he lifted up the desk and hit her.
dan friesen
Yeah.
There's no evidence of foul play, like I said.
Although, I mean...
jordan holmes
With those DC cops?
dan friesen
Well, that's a good point.
jordan holmes
See, there we go.
It's a setup.
dan friesen
It's a pretty fucked up situation.
I'll give him that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But, I don't know.
The life of that rumor on the internet is far greater than the fact's merit.
But it's the same thing with, I mean, Gary Condit.
unidentified
It's Vince Foster.
dan friesen
Gary Condit probably did kill Chandra Levy.
Wait, no, he didn't.
Didn't someone confess?
I think someone confessed.
jordan holmes
Did he?
dan friesen
I don't remember.
unidentified
Didn't he?
dan friesen
See, but that's the thing with those things that happened right before 9-11.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's like everyone was talking about Gary Condit, and then 9-11, we're done with that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, the only good thing to come out of 9-11 was The Blueprint and Is This It, Fever to Tell.
That was a great album, too.
All released on 9-11.
dan friesen
Okay.
I'm trying to look up Gary Condit.
jordan holmes
Oh, and of course the Iraq War.
That was a great thing that came out of 9-11 too.
dan friesen
Solid thing.
jordan holmes
Forgot about that.
dan friesen
Anyway, back to the clip.
He's going to get to economics a little bit.
alex jones
Just like Starbucks called for the Islamic invaders to all be given jobs and tries to turn their thing into a political correctness situation to sit there and re-educate everybody when they come to Starbucks, they have been precipitously, they're stock dropping, they're...
Purchases dropping, their revenue dropping, something like 25% that's still going down.
They're in total panic mode, removing executives, and none of it's right in the ship.
Starbucks pissed on too many people.
And there was no official boycott ever launched.
Everyone just said, you know what?
I'm going to go out of my way not to drink Starbucks.
I'm going to ask at a hotel.
And if the coffee is Starbucks, I'm not going to drink it at breakfast.
jordan holmes
No one has ever.
alex jones
I will not.
I go to hotels now, and if they've got Starbucks, I don't even have coffee.
Or I'm asking now, when I book a hotel, do you have Starbucks?
jordan holmes
You do.
alex jones
And most of them do, and I go, I'm not booking with your hotel.
jordan holmes
Fuck you.
alex jones
And you know that gets put in the computer.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
It's war.
They need us, not the other way around.
They hate you.
They hate your family.
dan friesen
Starbucks hates your family.
jordan holmes
This is a Freedom Fries situation.
dan friesen
Yeah, quite a bit.
jordan holmes
This is the whole thing all over again.
dan friesen
And it's all just because...
jordan holmes
How about the Stars and Stripes bucks, Dan?
unidentified
Huh?
jordan holmes
How about those?
dan friesen
It's all just because Starbucks said they were going to hire refugees.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, they said they were...
Did you not read the press release?
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Starbucks.
We will give jobs to all Islamic invaders.
dan friesen
Invaders.
jordan holmes
Invaders.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know those Islamic invaders.
dan friesen
Yeah, and everyone's like...
jordan holmes
I would actually play a video game called Islamic Invaders.
dan friesen
All that shit, like, oh, they're going to give jobs to refugees.
Why don't they give jobs to vets?
Like, flashback...
Eight months earlier?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
They had a big program hiring vets.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Suck it.
And, yeah, you're totally right.
Alex is completely lying about calling hotels.
jordan holmes
Why would you even pretend to lie about that?
That's the dumbest fuck thing I've ever heard.
dan friesen
Because you need to present integrity to your dumbass audience or else they're not going to go along with your bullshit.
jordan holmes
That's just insane, though.
dan friesen
It's a bit insane.
jordan holmes
Even if you are against Starbucks and you're...
If you're an Alex Jones listener and they're like, I hate how Starbucks is hiring Muslims.
At best, you're going to be like, oh, is there a Dunkin' Donuts across the street?
Let's just go there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If Starbucks is your only option, fucker, you got to get that caffeine, man.
dan friesen
And get one of those double-smoked bacon on a croissant.
jordan holmes
Not bad.
dan friesen
Delicious.
jordan holmes
Better than a McBreakfast?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
McBreakfast.
dan friesen
McFlapcakes.
So, I'm done.
I'm done.
I got one more clip, but I don't even want to play it.
It's pointless.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
It's just a dumb sales pitch.
I'm not even going to play it.
jordan holmes
Oh, damn.
dan friesen
I'm not playing it at a protest.
I don't want to hear his voice anymore.
unidentified
That's actually a pretty solid reason.
dan friesen
2017, Alex Jones is just not what I want.
He's not good.
It's really scary.
We're going to keep monitoring him and what have you, but 2015 is such a better time in so many ways.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was going to say.
When you said I retreated into 2015, I was like, oh, buddy, you are way late.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I have been living there for a good long while now.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's...
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is...
Like...
This has turned very unentertaining.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, this is no fun to listen to, and it's just very much like...
dan friesen
This speaks...
jordan holmes
Fight!
Kill!
Die!
Fight!
Kill!
Die!
Like, that's all he's saying.
dan friesen
Yeah, and he's...
You know, never citing anything, just saying that everyone's trying to kill the president.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's not accurate at all.
jordan holmes
Nobody, like, if you're gonna pull any kind of bullshit like that, just look at the fact that all of the news networks turned their TVs off in the press room.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They just, there's no law that can compel them to do that.
dan friesen
And you can just turn them back the fuck on.
And all of his specific examples about people who are calling for it are all bizarrely celebrities, and they didn't say what he says.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
So, like, it...
jordan holmes
Well, it has to be celebrities, because it follows up on the Hollywood elites.
dan friesen
Right, right.
There's that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it all just feels...
jordan holmes
Which is like, fucking, is anybody more unemployed than actors?
I get that at the top, you know, it's very top-heavy as far as money goes.
But, like, working actors generally are unemployed.
dan friesen
Like, hoping to get a commercial.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
But, like...
jordan holmes
Fuck, I'm hoping to get a commercial.
dan friesen
The feeling that I have here is...
If I had to put a bow on this, the feeling that I get is that we're watching the beginning of something that is about to get out of hand.
I don't think necessarily that a civil war is coming.
I don't think necessarily armed insurrection is coming.
But I do think that the rhetoric that Alex is throwing around...
It's probably going to get to a point where he can't control it anymore.
He's going to radicalize his audience in a way that they take on a life beyond him.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
And he's already experienced that in his career.
He's responsible for a lot of people going down the conspiracy path.
I say realizing in a quote-unquote way that Israel is the problem and then turning on Alex because they think he's a Zionist shill.
He already has radicalized tons of people to out-and-out white supremacy because of that.
Because of his actions and because of the rhetoric that he uses on his show, he has had people go beyond him.
And now if people are listening to this and they've had the lead-up of the last...
Six months of they're going to kill the president.
They're trying to kill him.
We're under attack from all sides.
jordan holmes
Always.
Every day we are always under attack.
Always be on high alert.
Always be as alert.
dan friesen
The only outcome that can really come from it is him losing control of his audience again and in a much worse way than just people going to Stormfront and hanging out.
jordan holmes
The only thing that I genuinely think...
Like, I would say his reach would extend as far as, like, another, like, militia group.
Like, what were the fucks that occupied a national park for some dumb reason?
dan friesen
You're talking about, like, Cliven Bundy's people?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, those fucks.
dan friesen
Amon Bundy?
jordan holmes
Yeah, those are the guys that I see really doing some dumb shit.
And those are the guys that I see as a real threat.
dan friesen
Well, the Oath Keepers are a pretty big group.
There are a lot of folks like that, and you see it every time that there's one of these marches.
There's always counter-protests to everything.
I think that our society does have a lot of problems that we need to address, and some of them are liberal problems, some of them are conservative problems, and level-headed people could take a look at all of them and hopefully come to a conclusion that works for everybody.
But with this sort of shit flying around, it's impossible.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I hope for the best, but I see things getting worse.
jordan holmes
And I am definitely not preparing for it.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Because I refuse to buy a gun.
dan friesen
Or Alex Jones' products.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which, I mean, again...
jordan holmes
Well, what if the only way...
dan friesen
That's the other angle that we're being remiss in a little bit, is what if he is just a con man and he doesn't have an agenda?
And really, this is just about selling shit.
jordan holmes
How do you call for this much violence without having an actual agenda?
I think 2015, Alex, that we saw, was Huckster Alex.
dan friesen
Yeah, it does feel a lot more like that.
jordan holmes
This sounds like, straight up, he's bought his own bullshit, Alex.
dan friesen
Well, I think in 2015 he was Huckster with a philosophy.
Like, the globalists are still there, but it's mostly in service of selling shit.
And now, yeah, it is...
jordan holmes
And he's barely even veiling it in globalist talk anymore.
He is.
dan friesen
That's not fair.
If you're going just based on this episode that we've gone over, possibly.
But no, he's still talking about the globalists all the time.
As someone who listens to all of it, he's still...
jordan holmes
I just feel like, so far, the actual targets of his ire...
The more specific ones are anybody who believes in anything liberal ever.
dan friesen
Well, that's because they're globalists.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but is that...
dan friesen
Liberalism is authoritarianism in disguise.
Liberalism is just bullshit that tries to get us to socialism, which will lead to communism, which will lead to authoritarianism.
That is his worldview.
So yes, every liberal value is one creeping step closer to this communist nightmare That he thinks we will head towards.
So yeah, it is still globalist, even if he hates everything liberal.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
I see what you're saying there.
dan friesen
But it's bullshit.
jordan holmes
Of course it is.
dan friesen
It's bullshit.
A lot of that's based on the protocols of the elders of Zion.
So, woohoo!
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
Anyway, this has been a bummer, but if you want more...
jordan holmes
Hey guys, don't be bigots.
dan friesen
Yeah, please.
jordan holmes
Please just, for us.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's a great thing to do.
Also a great thing to do is go to our website, knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
You can also follow us on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight.
dan friesen
That's correct.
We're also on Facebook.
If you'd like to come, say hi.
Also, if you want to send us an email, knowledgefight at gmail.com.
jordan holmes
Look us up on iTunes, download that, send it around, leave a review.
dan friesen
And if you'd like to donate to the show, you can do that.
There's a button on the website.
We would appreciate it.
jordan holmes
I would like it if you had just, like, stopped right there.
If you want to donate to the show, you can do it.
dan friesen
You can.
jordan holmes
You figure it the fuck out how, but you can.
dan friesen
If you want to donate to the show, good luck.
jordan holmes
If you want to donate to the show, not if we see you first.
dan friesen
Exactly.
But hey, you know what?
Hopes for reconciliation and detente are kind of dying all around us.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it seems like that is dying.
dan friesen
Yeah, the hope for cooperation is on its last legs.
jordan holmes
Is there any silver lining?
dan friesen
I can think of only one thing.
jordan holmes
Is there one thing?
dan friesen
That will brighten our day when everything is looking dark.
jordan holmes
What is it?
dan friesen
Rappaport still lives!
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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