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#36: June 29, 2015

As requested by listener Jan, Dan tells Jordan all about what happens on the June 29th 2015 episode of The Alex Jones Show. Topics include: Are people trying to ban the American Flag? Does Jordan almost get seduced to the Dark Side? Do our hosts achieve the show's first spit take? Is it ever not racist to compare people to dog breeds?

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
15:43
d
dan friesen
01:08:33
j
jordan holmes
42:04
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lionel
01:11
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joe biggs
00:28
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travis view
00:05
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Hello.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple of dudes who like to sit around and drink wine.
jordan holmes
Red wine in specific, because that one time we tried white wine, you went all wacky.
dan friesen
Never again on the white wine, to quote Elie Wiesel.
That's what he was talking about.
jordan holmes
Nope, nope.
dan friesen
That's what he was talking about.
jordan holmes
We're already done here.
dan friesen
White wine.
jordan holmes
Cancel it.
Play the outro.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to drink red wine.
jordan holmes
This is the fastest we've bailed on an episode.
dan friesen
Secretly, I was drinking white wine before you got here.
jordan holmes
You son of a bitch!
dan friesen
That's why that opening was so off the rails.
Please promise!
We like to sit around, drink red wine, and discuss.
jordan holmes
You said that four times.
I'm going to see how many times I can get you to say that.
dan friesen
We like to talk about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
We do like to talk about Alex Jones.
unidentified
We do.
jordan holmes
But I will posit you this.
What would be more interesting?
Two guys who both know a lot about Alex Jones and just kind of have a back and forth.
No.
dan friesen
Already, no.
jordan holmes
No?
Your answer's no?
dan friesen
That would be not interesting.
jordan holmes
How about if they were both white dudes?
dan friesen
I'm listening.
jordan holmes
No, or...
dan friesen
I like a second option.
jordan holmes
Or one of us, and it doesn't really matter which one, but probably the guy with the deep and comforting baritone.
dan friesen
Sure, sure.
Guy with the cross eye and a beard.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
What if he knew a lot, but our co-host, man, he just doesn't know nothing.
dan friesen
I think that that would only work if the co-host was shocked by everything and screamed a lot.
That's the only way that would work.
jordan holmes
Do you mean a ball filled with joy and rage of equal intensity?
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Someone who's perhaps bipolar.
dan friesen
Let's fast track this thing.
jordan holmes
And we have already spent 25 minutes on our intro.
dan friesen
Oh boy.
So anyway guys, what we like to do is every episode we sit down and we talk about a day in the life of Alex Jones.
But today is going to be slightly different and we'll get to...
from Monday's episode that is incredibly important.
Okay.
unidentified
There is no joking around about this.
jordan holmes
Oh, God damn it.
dan friesen
This is super, super duper serious.
Okay.
unidentified
This is from Monday, May 1st's episode.
dan friesen
Alex Jones is having an interview with Steve Pachenik.
Now, Steve Pachenik, for reasons that are completely unknown to me, is in front of What appears to be a diagram of all the genres of hip-hop.
I will post a picture on Twitter.
jordan holmes
That makes perfect sense!
No!
What else would Steve Pachanek be diagramming on a whiteboard?
dan friesen
Steve Pachanek, the man of the counter-coup.
Like, he is a military strategist, psychologist for the CIA in the past, in front of a board of trap, crunk, turntablism.
I have no idea what's going on.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
That is irrelevant.
jordan holmes
Pause it.
Pause it theory.
Either he wandered into the writer's room in VH1 in 1994.
dan friesen
Could be.
It's Ed Lover's bedroom.
jordan holmes
Or he is diagramming that for the CIA?
Or for J. Edgar Hoover in the 70s?
dan friesen
I could give a very simple explanation that I think might be right.
But I hope it's not.
They have all these theories about how hip-hop was made to, like...
Popularized criminality in the black community and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Oh, God, no.
dan friesen
I could see it being something like that.
But even if that's the case, wild.
Wild that he's sitting in front of this chart.
jordan holmes
He's still sitting in front of it.
He could have just moved it.
dan friesen
But while he's doing this interview in front of this chart, Alex says something that I think he's going to very seriously regret saying.
jordan holmes
Oh, he has got so many different things to regret right now.
dan friesen
On the level of, uh, I miss my dog, Nonk.
That's way at the bottom.
jordan holmes
The key to understanding him.
dan friesen
That's way at the bottom.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
A little higher than that is, I'm gonna kick your ass, Adam Schiff, you pack of pussies.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Fill your hand.
jordan holmes
A little higher than that is, I put a bunch of people into a coma.
dan friesen
Sure.
No, I think that's actually below Adam Schiff's stuff.
But then, you've got the guy who owns Chobani as importing rapists.
I think this one's higher.
jordan holmes
Holy shit!
dan friesen
Now, it might not be legally actionable, but I think he's gonna regret this more.
alex jones
Let me just give people some good news.
I don't want to give sources out, obviously, but let's just say this.
I know Mike Cernovich's sources.
The government knows his sources, so it's not a secret to them, but it's obviously who's been retweeting him and saying he's a great guy and retweeting our stuff.
There are people very close to the president who are for real.
Hell, it's not a secret.
It's his sons.
Especially Donald Jr.
He's a total patriot.
And there's a bunch of other people.
So Trump is for real, but he's being pulled by every side.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
jordan holmes
That wasn't a secret?
To whom was that not a secret?
dan friesen
What do you mean?
jordan holmes
He just said, I'll tell you, it's not a secret.
No one knew that!
dan friesen
It's not a secret to the government, apparently.
jordan holmes
But that's a bigger problem!
He should not be revealing this information!
dan friesen
That's why this is a huge fucking problem.
Whether it's true or not.
jordan holmes
All of the illegals.
All of the illegals things that you can do.
dan friesen
Well, here's the part that's even more fucked up.
It barely plays on audio, but you can go back and listen to it and you can go find the clip.
And Steve Pachenik's response is, right.
He agrees as if he knows that Trump's kids are the sources for Mike Cernovich's...
Deceit-filled propaganda articles.
Now, there's two things that are going on here.
Okay, there's two paths that are possible, and one of them goes down two side paths also.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
So we can go down the path of this Alex telling the truth here.
And if he's telling the truth, that's super fucked up.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Again, illegal.
dan friesen
If he's not telling the truth, and he's just making this up out of whole cloth, he's fucked.
Like, Donald Trump is never going to talk to him again.
Any sources that he does have, he's burned.
unidentified
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
Because they're never going to talk to him again.
He's just outed a source on TV.
jordan holmes
No sources should ever talk to him again.
dan friesen
Of course.
I mean, we're pretty clear most of his sources are fake to begin with.
But any real source is going to hear that and be like, I don't know if I can trust his discretion.
His confidentiality means nothing.
He just, on air, indicated that the children of the sitting president are leaking information to a right-wing propagandist.
jordan holmes
Right.
Which means that they have information to leak, which again, illegal.
dan friesen
Very illegal.
jordan holmes
Super illegal.
dan friesen
Now we go back to the first path.
If Alex is telling the truth, he has burned Cernovich.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because now Cernovich's source is outed.
Trump's kids are never going to be giving him information ever again.
jordan holmes
You would hope.
Now, you are forgetting the staggering incompetence and stupidity of all of these people all at the same time.
dan friesen
That's a fair point.
But I think this is one of the most fucked up things I've heard on this show, and I've listened to a lot of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's...
dan friesen
I don't think I've ever fully witnessed someone out a source.
I've never seen a journalist do it in real time so flippantly, too.
Amazing, just as it's a throwaway.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'll tell you my sources.
It's not really a secret.
It's Donald Trump's sons.
dan friesen
It's Donald Jr. especially.
He's a patriot.
What the fuck are you doing?
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, that's bananas.
dan friesen
That's...
Crazy.
For someone who claims to...
jordan holmes
How is that not picked up?
Everyone should know this right now!
dan friesen
I'll tell you what, it's picked up on, like, Reddit.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Our main man, Far Out, sent me a picture.
unidentified
Fuck yeah.
dan friesen
A screenshot from the Donald.
And they'd pick this up, and they're like, God damn it!
Now Cernovich's not gonna get any more stories!
Which is kind of fair!
jordan holmes
Even the idiots on Reddit are smart enough for this shit!
unidentified
Exactly!
dan friesen
Even they can A to B this thing.
They can war games what happens when you burn a source.
jordan holmes
Yes, but we've already established that war games-ing things is not his strong suit.
dan friesen
No.
So that's insane.
I mean, he's losing it.
But since he's losing it in the present, maybe it's time for us to escape the present, Jordan.
Maybe it's time for us...
To take a little trip down memory lane.
But before we do that, I need to do a little shout-out.
I'd like to thank our man Jan out in Germany.
What's up, Jan?
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Jan.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Jan.
dan friesen
Thanks for donating.
jordan holmes
You're a policy wonk.
dan friesen
And a long-time supporter, Jan.
He's a good dude, and he suggested, insisted, he took us up on our offer, is more what I should say.
We offered on our last episode that if people donated $10 a month or more, that we would take a day in history.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And go back to what Alex Jones was doing on that day.
jordan holmes
Oh, thank God.
dan friesen
So Jan sent me a couple dates.
The first date he sent me was the date of the first nuclear test by North Korea.
jordan holmes
Oh!
dan friesen
Which was in 2006.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And unfortunately, my archives don't go back that far.
So I could not find that episode.
So I asked for a backup date, and he sent me June 4th, 2015.
jordan holmes
What was June 4th, 2015?
dan friesen
Wreck your brain.
What do you think was going on then?
You're a man of letters.
jordan holmes
2015, I am a man of letters, but not of numbers.
2015, Obama was still president.
It's true.
June 4th, 2015.
dan friesen
Trump wasn't even really running at that point.
jordan holmes
No, no.
dan friesen
Not in earnest, anyway.
jordan holmes
Did we blow something up?
dan friesen
We didn't.
Let me see if this out-of-context drop from June 20...
jordan holmes
June 4th.
dan friesen
This is in June 2015.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Being right more than other people is a conspiracy theorist.
dan friesen
That's what being a conspiracy theorist is, being right all the time.
Here's the deal.
It was when gay marriage passed in the Supreme Court.
jordan holmes
No shit!
Oh, so this is going to be a fucking disaster then.
dan friesen
See, that's what was expected when Jan made this suggestion.
And here's the deal.
The actual court decision was on the 26th.
Unfortunately, I think it was the 25th.
Alex Jones is in studio on the 24th.
And he doesn't talk about the gay marriage Supreme Court case.
At all.
jordan holmes
This is going to be another Y2K episode, isn't it?
dan friesen
Maybe.
So he doesn't talk about it on the 24th, so I'm like, that's not fair.
The subject matter that was requested was the Supreme Court case.
I'm going to go to the next day.
On the 25th, when the court ruling did come down, Alex Jones is in Michigan for his cousin's wedding.
jordan holmes
That son of a bitch!
dan friesen
David Knight is in studio.
jordan holmes
That double son of a bitch!
dan friesen
He is mad.
But it's mostly a states' rights issue.
jordan holmes
Oh, fuck that!
dan friesen
So I'm like, alright, Sunday episode, Alex will be back because the 25th was a Friday.
I'm like, alright, Sunday, 28th, it's going down.
Nope.
Nothing.
Get nothing from him.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Get nothing.
David Knight's still in studio.
So we have to go to the next episode where Alex Jones is actually on, which is June 29th of 2015.
Now you might be asking yourself, does he go apeshit about gay marriage?
jordan holmes
So here's my theory.
He does not go apeshit.
He spends all of his time trying to straddle the line between like, hey, who cares what you do in your bedroom?
It's none of my business.
But at the same time, he's trying to be like...
I just think that it shouldn't be the government who tells you what you can do in your bedroom.
I think it's...
unidentified
I sucked a dick before.
jordan holmes
I think that might be it.
dan friesen
I think that's a pretty reasonable guess.
jordan holmes
Yeah?
dan friesen
Let's find out.
Here's the first clip from the show.
This is a little special report that Alex throws it to.
He thinks it's a John Bowne special report.
It's not.
jordan holmes
Wait, so...
Okay.
dan friesen
And you're going to witness...
Like, right out of the gate.
Minute one of the Alex Jones show from June 29th, 2015.
Something that is out of bounds.
Like, from the jump.
And I'll explain when we get back.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
It was the top big link on Drudge Report today.
Americans signed a petition to ban the American flag.
dan friesen
Now we'll get back to that.
jordan holmes
How is that not big enough?
dan friesen
We'll get back to that.
That's a narrative that's going to come back, but we've got to get to the special report.
alex jones
And it's no joke.
I first said that a few weeks ago.
Limbaugh and others made the point, and Farrakhan obviously called for it last week, which is kind of reasonable in a way.
I mean, the American flag has had more slaves under it than the Confederate, if you go by that benchmark.
The Greece collapse is now admittedly happening, and Jim Rogers, one of the top analysts, says he ain't seen nothing yet.
We're going to get into that.
We're going to get into huge news.
On the Second Amendment front and so much more.
Very important broadcast.
Huge news on ISIS.
They're saying no one could see these attacks coming.
Really?
We've only perseverated on it for four years.
Warning of the so-called rebels blowing back on the West by design.
It's all coming up today.
But first, the Pope comes out hardcore against the Second Amendment and for world government.
John Bound reports.
joe biggs
Joe Biggs here with Infowars.com.
Now, this week, the Pope decided to go full retard when he released a statement saying that gun manufacturers are not Christians.
Well, I find that extremely funny to hear that coming from the Pope because here at Infowars.com, we do have a Christian-owned gun manufacturer as a sponsor, Head Down Rifles.
Now, their CEO and co-founder, David Hunsucker, released a statement where he was just completely in shock.
unidentified
By the fact that the Pope would release such a statement.
dan friesen
So him saying bad things about the Pope isn't really what is out of bounds?
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
I do think it's funny to think that the Pope, who lives in Italy, is bound by the Second Amendment.
I think that's absurd.
I think that's obvious.
jordan holmes
Isn't that the Second World Amendment?
Didn't that happen?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
The thing that's way out of line is the idea that Joe Biggs made a special report to cuck out the Pope.
On behalf of a sponsor.
jordan holmes
That is...
I was a little bit more concerned about the reference to...
What's it called?
dan friesen
The R's?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The full R?
jordan holmes
No, from that movie.
The full R?
dan friesen
Oh, the blackface one of Downey Jr.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Thunder.
jordan holmes
Tropic Thunder.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Tropic Thunder, I almost said.
Great.
dan friesen
You thought that was the problem?
jordan holmes
I don't...
I don't appreciate that when that's used in a pejorative manner towards anybody.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Like, the whole joke of that is that it is exploitative, the very act of doing that.
So, in Tropic Funder...
dan friesen
You did it again.
jordan holmes
I want to go to a themed restaurant called Tropic Funder.
dan friesen
Let's build it.
jordan holmes
We're going to do that.
dan friesen
If we build it, they'll come.
jordan holmes
Another idea...
dan friesen
That will never happen.
jordan holmes
No, the joke is that actors are exploiting that in order to get Oscars, and so what you're winding up doing is using that phrase in order to kind of reveal the hypocrisy and stupidity of it.
dan friesen
Well, when people like Joe Biggs use it, they reveal their own stupidity.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
He's trying to use it in as mean a way as you possibly can.
Also, if you're a Christian-owned...
Gun manufacturer?
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
You do not understand a lot of Christ.
dan friesen
No, and I pulled up the Pope's...
jordan holmes
Head-down rifles?
unidentified
Oof.
Wow.
dan friesen
I don't know what that means.
Well, I mean, you gotta put your head down.
jordan holmes
Keep your head down and murder.
dan friesen
So, I looked into this, and the Pope gave a speech that they were talking about, and I hear some quotes from it.
If you only trust men, you have lost.
He told the young people in a long rambling talk about war, trust, and politics after putting aside his prepared address.
It makes me think of people, managers, businessmen who call themselves Christian, and they manufacture weapons.
jordan holmes
He's right on it, man!
dan friesen
That leads to a bit of a distrust, doesn't it?
He said to applause.
He also criticized those who invest in weapons industries, saying, quote, duplicity is the currency of today.
They say one thing and do another.
Which I think are pretty fair assessments.
jordan holmes
That's straight up popin'.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is cool pope, right?
This isn't Nazi pope.
dan friesen
This is globalist pope.
jordan holmes
Yeah, not Nazi pope.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, I mean, like, sure, take the pope out of context, cuck him out on behalf of your sponsor.
You're basically starting the show with an ad where you're committing...
It's not blasphemy because he's not God.
jordan holmes
No.
He is the mouthpiece of God, though.
dan friesen
You're just pissing on the pope for ads.
unidentified
Yeah, that's a...
dan friesen
That's a plug.
jordan holmes
That's one of my favorite things about the whole Pope thing now is mainstream Christians are mad at the Pope every now and again and then super happy with him.
The cognitive dissonance of religion is mind-boggling.
dan friesen
Certainly.
jordan holmes
The fact that you could take that fairly innocuous statement of like, hey, if you're investing in guns...
Guns are used to kill people, so you're investing, you're profiting off the death of human beings.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's what you're doing.
dan friesen
And, I mean, if you really get it down to it, Joe Biggs goes on to be like, you know, people use weapons to, you know, use guns to hunt and feed their families.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But the amount of money that's made from that kind of weapons versus the weapons of killing industry, it's staggering.
Like, it's almost nothing comparatively.
So if you want to make that argument, please debate the Pope, Joe Biggs.
Go fucking have a conversation with him about your principled gun stances.
jordan holmes
I don't think Biggs is getting...
Frankly, I don't even think Jason Biggs is getting near to the Pope.
dan friesen
Well, now...
I mean, we've already seen...
Joe Biggs is basically gone now in modern day.
So we already have a blast from the past.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So I'm going to break it down for you.
jordan holmes
Break it down!
dan friesen
This episode from 2015 is globalist heavy.
jordan holmes
Good!
I'm looking forward to some classic Alex Jones being wacky with no one paying attention, really.
dan friesen
I don't know how wacky it is.
It's unadvised at certain points, certainly.
The main narrative that runs throughout basically this entire episode is Greece.
The Greece financial crisis that was going on in 2015.
jordan holmes
Do you mean the one caused by banks exploiting their economy and essentially tricking them and then forcing them to accept austerity measures for their own mistakes?
dan friesen
And you have just made the globalist argument.
jordan holmes
Oh, goddammit!
unidentified
No!
jordan holmes
I might be a globalist.
dan friesen
Or at least you might believe in the globalists.
unidentified
If you think big banks are bad...
jordan holmes
Oh, you might be a globalist.
dan friesen
His version of it is far more sinister than just capitalism out of control.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
His version of it we'll get to.
This first clip here, now that we're out of the advertisement section, is a little bit about how the globalists are trying to...
He hasn't quite gotten into Greece yet at this point, but that will take up most of our time.
At this point, he's just trying to spell out how evil the globalists are.
jordan holmes
And now we know the origin of his hatred for Chobani.
dan friesen
Oh, it could be.
jordan holmes
There we go.
The connection.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
This is just about how globalists are evil and they're trying to change society.
alex jones
They've taken over almost every government and almost every bank.
Now they're going to take over the individual and the family.
Now the real drilling in is commencing.
All hell is going to be breaking loose.
The enemy is assaulting on every front.
Making more and more outrageous announcements to move the Overton window.
And if you don't know what that is, it's a political science term coined in the middle of the last century of how political elites only operate within what is seen as acceptable within the political paradigm, within the establishment middle of the road.
But that they will have radicals out on the edge making announcements that sound over the top to make their announcements That are slightly out of the Overton window, not sound as radical.
dan friesen
I think he has just described himself.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
That's exactly what he just did right there.
dan friesen
There is nothing in the world that is more pushing what is decent than Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course!
dan friesen
He is so, like...
jordan holmes
Because he is so crazy, the idea of Republicans taking everybody's health care away and yet at the same time acting as though that's giving them personal freedom is reasonable compared to globalists are coming after the individual.
And then the family, which is a very strange order to take on those two things.
dan friesen
Listen, you get to tasks however you get to them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a good point.
I think that just kind of subconsciously shows what he thinks is more important.
dan friesen
Well, but also, it's like, he sits on air all day and is like, Hillary Clinton is literally a demon.
Like, if you want to talk about pushing discourse in a certain direction, you've introduced the idea that demons are real and that they influence our politicians.
Now, before you introduce this idea into our discourse, we just had to talk about ideas and disagreeing with them.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You've thrown that out the window, and now anybody could be possessed.
So that, your Overton window is way over here.
Way over here.
jordan holmes
It's very easy to demonize your opponent when you just go literal with demonize.
You know, you're like, oh, his ideas are bad.
Nuh-uh.
Smells like fire and fucking brimstone.
dan friesen
Did you ever notice that a fly landed on Obama?
Flies never land on people.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
Alex has an example of them pushing the Overton window that I think is less relevant than him in terms of actually doing it.
But we'll see.
alex jones
So that you will accept what they're doing by increment because their vanguard is so far out having Jocelyn Elders 23 years ago Surgeon General nominee calling for the school to help children ages 5 masturbate.
In 1994, that sounded insane.
Today, it's standard.
unidentified
I don't know how to masturbate.
No, I want that on my goddamn wall.
dan friesen
That's pretty good.
jordan holmes
Quote.
We need schools to help five-year-olds masturbate.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Jocelyn Elders, Surgeon General nominee.
dan friesen
For those young 'uns out there who weren't around, Jocelyn Elders was the Surgeon General in the Clinton years for a bit, and then she got fired after this.
She, in 1994, was invited to speak at a United Nations conference on AIDS.
She was asked by someone there whether it would be appropriate.
To promote masturbation as a means of preventing young people from engaging in riskier forms of sexual activity.
And she replied, quote, I think that it is part of human sexuality and perhaps it should be taught.
That's it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't think that's...
I genuinely do not see a negative to that.
dan friesen
I honestly, even in 1994, I was 10. I did not see a controversial thing there.
jordan holmes
That makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
I don't think my parents saw that as controversial.
I don't think there's anything Overton window-y about it.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Now, the only things that you can take away from that is that Alex Jones does not think that people should be masturbating.
Possibly.
jordan holmes
Well, he doesn't think five-year-olds should be masturbating.
dan friesen
Hey, neither does Jocelyn Elders.
That's not what she said.
jordan holmes
Did you ask her?
dan friesen
I didn't.
I wasn't at the UN when I was ten.
jordan holmes
See, there you go.
dan friesen
But she ended up getting fired.
jordan holmes
Because she wanted people to masturbate?
Something they've been doing.
dan friesen
Forever?
White House Chief of Staff Leon Panetta remarked about the firing.
Quote, there have been too many areas where the president does not agree with her views.
This is just one too many.
So they sort of copped out a little bit.
jordan holmes
Masturbation is one too many.
God, they did not see internet porn coming.
They had no fucking clue what was about to come down.
dan friesen
Or the next few years of Clinton's life.
jordan holmes
He didn't masturbate.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
So he is already in two clips, which again is maybe within the first couple minutes of the show, completely misrepresented what the Pope said in order to plug one of his sponsors.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
As God intended.
And completely misrepresented something that Jocelyn Elders said 20 fucking years ago in order to make his argument about the Overton window, which he is way more guilty of.
jordan holmes
I love that his first example is...
23 years ago, a surgeon general said maybe if people masturbated and that was okay, they would be less likely to commit sexual assault.
dan friesen
That's not even what she was talking about.
jordan holmes
Isn't that the question that she was responding to?
dan friesen
She was talking about kids and young people engaging in risky forms of sexual activity.
jordan holmes
Oh, not even assault or anything like that.
dan friesen
No, it's about avoiding diseases and shit like that.
If you masturbate, it's completely safe.
That sort of thing.
jordan holmes
I mean, it depends on where you are.
dan friesen
And, well, that's a good point.
Don't do it in a car.
I had a friend get in trouble.
Can't say his name.
jordan holmes
While driving?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's even a Mike Birbiglia joke.
dan friesen
Perhaps, like, her response was even, perhaps it should be taught.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's not even saying, I think this should be.
It's like, eh, you know, maybe.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe kids should know.
We teach them how to put a condom on a banana.
Why not teach them how to unskin that banana?
jordan holmes
I would certainly have been less likely to be ashamed and miserable every time I masturbated if somebody was like, hey, this is okay.
It's normal human behavior that everybody does.
Like, have you ever gone to the zoo?
Chances are you're going to see a monkey masturbate.
That's going to happen.
dan friesen
Yeah, they don't teach that in the kind of cults that we grew up in.
No.
jordan holmes
Although monkeys don't teach each other how to masturbate either, so perhaps she's wrong there.
dan friesen
They do at age five.
jordan holmes
Do they?
dan friesen
They do.
I've gone to zoos.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but they mature faster than us.
dan friesen
That's true.
So this next clip is Alex just blowing hard, man.
Just blowing hard.
Just, I am the best.
jordan holmes
God, he should learn how to masturbate.
dan friesen
You just want to know, like, how is he so accurate?
How is Alex Jones never wrong?
jordan holmes
Donald Trump's sons?
alex jones
It's all there!
How do I continually know what they're going to do next, day in, day out, week in, week out, month in, month out, year in, year out, decade in, decade out?
jordan holmes
Blood in, blood out.
alex jones
Because they've told us what they're going to do, and they've done it over and over again in third world and old world countries that they had control of, so we know the exact formulae that they will slightly tweak with their anthropologist and sociologist and behaviorist.
For the particular country that they launch.
We know the enemy profile.
We know their modus operandi.
We have assessed them.
And you would think it's a weakness that they're so predictable, but see, their response is, hey, the public isn't even conscious.
So what if you're awake?
So what if you're aware?
It's like being one awake person at a sports stadium of lobotomized children.
You can't even communicate with them.
You can't get them out of the tranche.
They don't even know what you're talking about.
unidentified
Thank you.
jordan holmes
Pause.
Pause.
dan friesen
I just kept that pause in there for the long sigh at the end.
There's a couple things that are important to note there.
One of them is that he does not speak in any specifics about his information that he has.
He just...
Just proclaims that he's always right, when if you really look into it, he's wrong about almost everything.
He's absolutely just, his facts are shoddy, he just has assertions that he never backs up ever.
There's so much documentation of shit he's predicted that he's wrong about.
But the other thing is this idea that he comes to at the end, where he's like, everyone's dumb, and you can't even communicate with them.
And there's two things I want to speculate about there.
One...
Is that because he has a very specific mental illness, he can't talk to other people.
He seems crazy.
Whenever anyone else is talking to him, he can't communicate because he just starts rambling about globalists and international forces and vague references to documents and scientists he may or may not have talked to.
jordan holmes
Who may or may not be real.
dan friesen
And everyone's like, I can't follow you.
Even the most generous of interviewer, he's going to yell at them.
It's impossible for him to interact with anybody on a human level.
I've seen him with his co-hosts and stuff.
It's even mildly abusive.
So I think there's some of that.
He's projecting shit a little bit.
And then beyond that, that is also a mentality that is espoused in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
This idea that most of the masses are dumb and the globalists are trying to make them dumb in order to make them malleable.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Like, if you can only trust your cult leader to be the one who's telling you the truth, then that forces you to put everybody else outside.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
So he is isolating his listeners in the same way that he's isolated.
dan friesen
Yes, yes.
How he's isolated from everybody else, they can only have him.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
As a conduit to truth.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Yeah, that is true.
That's a bummer.
But the good news is...
jordan holmes
What's the good news?
dan friesen
Alex is also a specialist in a bunch of things.
Alex is an expert on certain matters.
jordan holmes
Especially policy.
dan friesen
ISIS.
alex jones
Okay.
dan friesen
He's a big specialist on ISIS.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And he's going to walk you through how evil Muslims are in this next clip.
jordan holmes
Not ISIS.
All Muslims.
dan friesen
It starts with ISIS.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and then it spirals out of control very quickly.
dan friesen
It's generalized way too fast, and then this is the first of two times he gets into really spotty animal metaphors that I don't think are appropriate, that are very not good.
alex jones
I analyze the new Al-Qaeda and the new Syrian state they were building.
In the last four or five years, giving Libya as a base to take down Africa to Al-Qaeda, giving Syria part of it as a base to take down the Middle East.
Western government's all financing it.
We laid out exactly four years ago, exactly three years ago, exactly two years ago, exactly one year ago, exactly a month ago, over and over again, ad nauseum, that ISIS is a real terror threat, a multi-hundred-thousand-person army recruited and funded by the West.
With useful idiot bots who actually think they're fighting for, quote, Islam.
dan friesen
He has said that over and over again.
jordan holmes
He's not wrong about...
He's not wrong about Al-Qaeda being funded by Western sources.
dan friesen
At one point.
jordan holmes
At one point.
Syria is definitely being funded by Western governments.
Fuck, we're doing most of it.
And then you have, you know...
Muslims and Islam.
dan friesen
Right, but ISIS itself isn't created by us, except in a tertiary sense.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's not funded by us, but it's definitely created by us.
dan friesen
The instances where there are things that we have supplied that have gone back to them, pretty accidental.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
In the same way that, you know, you give somebody shit and someone takes it.
jordan holmes
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
That does happen.
jordan holmes
Well, like how we sent a billion dollars in cash or whatever it was and that magically disappeared in Iraq.
dan friesen
Sure.
There's a lot of questions there.
jordan holmes
There were a lot of questions there.
dan friesen
What are you doing sending that much cash?
jordan holmes
Why are you sending cash?
That seems weird.
dan friesen
Very weird.
jordan holmes
What can you buy with cash in a failed state that's falling apart?
dan friesen
I have no idea.
jordan holmes
I'm starting to think maybe it was funneled to other people.
dan friesen
It's possible.
jordan holmes
It could be.
dan friesen
It's possible.
But anyway, he goes on.
alex jones
That are going to be allowed to attack the entire Western world and the Middle East.
They're meant to take over and conquer the Middle East and much of Africa as a proxy front for the globalists under Saudi Arabia and Turkey's control.
Here, they're going to attack, be repulsed and defeated, but that'll be used for the next decade of expanded police state.
Oh!
Alex now says the Muslim threat's real, even though he said for all these years it was synthetic.
It was always real, but it was manufactured.
unidentified
Do you mean synthetic?
alex jones
Now it's not manufactured.
It's bred in a pen and turned loose.
Like I said, if I go to my neighbor and put three rattlesnakes in his bed, I didn't bite my neighbor, but I'm an accomplice to it.
I put the rattlesnakes in the bed.
jordan holmes
No, you're not an accomplice.
You're a murderer.
alex jones
If I go dump a hundred black widows in your bed...
And you go and get in there.
I don't control the black widows.
I just know what they're going to do.
jordan holmes
Where did you find a hundred black widows?
alex jones
If I put you in a pen with 15 starving wolves.
I don't run the wolves.
They'd bite my hand too, but I control the environment and the paradigm.
jordan holmes
Why do you need another example?
dan friesen
Totally.
unidentified
Comedy comes in threes, but that's just...
jordan holmes
Three examples of the same exact thing.
dan friesen
It's a little excessive.
It's ridiculous.
Rhetorically unnecessary.
jordan holmes
If I put 10 million ladybugs in there, yeah, they're not going to bite you, but you'll probably suffocate.
dan friesen
You're not going to like this.
He does another hour of just examples of ways he could accidentally kill you.
But the argument that he's making there, I don't think that this is the way he would make it, but there is a way to make it reasonably.
And that is that our foreign policy is so fucked up that we keep creating terrorists through bombing churches, through starving children, through killing civilians.
And that is creating more and more people who do want to hurt us.
I think that what he's saying is different.
I don't know what he's saying.
jordan holmes
Well, okay.
dan friesen
I don't think it's that, though.
jordan holmes
Now, here is the interesting thing about that, though, is that, cynically, I do have that inclination to agree with that idea of...
dan friesen
Oh, man.
What if you dig Alex Jones in 2015?
jordan holmes
Maybe I do!
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
Maybe...
So, if I was going to conspiracy theorize...
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
...as an...
I think he's not terribly wrong.
I just think he's ascribing competence to people who just are incapable of thinking ahead.
Or, you know, just the law of unintended consequences.
dan friesen
Or even the potential bad consequences are outweighed by whatever immediate gain you're trying to make.
jordan holmes
Yeah, like the terrorism thing is absolutely being used to expand the police state.
Like, there's no other way to describe what's going on there.
Now, is that because there's a globalist plot, or is it because all of our weapons went over to Iraq and we don't need them anymore, and we spent a shit ton of money on it, so we want to get some of that money back, so we sell it to police stations.
They need all of those weapons.
dan friesen
I think that is definitely the sort of economic version, or the economic explanation for the militarization of some of the police forces.
But I don't think that terrorism necessarily is creating that trend of militarized police.
I think it's the fake fear of terrorism that's actually not created as much by the globalists as it is by people like Alex Jones.
Yeah, exactly!
Ironically...
jordan holmes
Of course you're giving away your rights!
You need to protect yourself against ISIS.
You need a strong government with a strong military.
Now, obviously, you don't want that government to have control over, I don't know, providing people with basic health care.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
You want them to be able to fight ISIS, a paramilitary force that has a.0001.8% chance.
I put another decimal in there.
dan friesen
I like it.
jordan holmes
To actually harm you.
dan friesen
But then it also...
He's trying to have it both ways with that argument.
I think you nailed it.
We want this strong government, but they're not strong.
Stay out of our business.
jordan holmes
Take away our rights, but don't give us anything.
I'm sick of having stuff from you.
I don't want to be dependent on the government.
Now, admittedly, I have a syndicated radio show that I make millions of dollars off of, and plenty of people are poor, like in Flint, Michigan, where they don't even have fucking regular drinking water, and we still haven't done a goddamn thing about that, even though we've known about it since 2015!
dan friesen
And he hasn't mentioned that.
Nor the gay marriage thing.
But also, I mean, like...
He makes money off of people buying guns from a Christian gunmaker.
jordan holmes
That is interesting.
dan friesen
Where are we?
What are we doing?
What are you talking about, Alex?
What is going on?
Anyway, I think you're right.
This sort of area, there's a little bit more interesting gray area.
I still disagree with Alex, and I think he's full of shit.
jordan holmes
I disagree with him, too, but it is enticing.
Because that way it sounds like...
dan friesen
Oh, so you're smelling the trap a little more.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It sounds like, man, at least then I could say that people in the government are smart enough to pull this shit off.
dan friesen
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
At least we elected people who aren't borderline just moronic.
dan friesen
Well, that's kind of the charm of 9-11 conspiracies, too.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, that's true.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex wants you to know.
But he's got great information.
jordan holmes
The charm of 9-11.
Oh, 9-11 conspiracies.
dan friesen
Oh, hello.
jordan holmes
How are you today?
dan friesen
You look marvelous.
jordan holmes
You are a delight.
dan friesen
So this next clip, Alex accidentally says something that makes him think twice a little bit.
jordan holmes
Never seen that before.
dan friesen
He's talking about how his information is rock solid.
He gets good information, but then he starts to talk about instances where, in the past, where...
Other people's information has had disinformation in it.
And I think there's a moment you can see in his face where he's kind of like, eh, boy.
Shouldn't have brought this up.
Then he gets a little defensive and throws to break.
alex jones
Now, how did I know this 20 years ago?
Because I read Barry Goldwater's book.
He was in the meetings.
He exposed it.
I read the statements of David Rockefeller.
It's all planned.
I read the opposition to it, and I read the people that were for it.
If I was in a war, which I am, I would read the enemy's own documents.
They're so arrogant, their battle plans are public.
And they don't give us their battle plans because they're fake to throw us off, or there's disinfo in them, like the British, with their ultra system, let the Germans know.
No, it's beyond that.
They are so arrogant, they are operating uncloaked, attacking us at point-blank range.
jordan holmes
It feels like somebody is trying to throw him to break.
alex jones
The world is defenseless against the next financial crisis.
unidentified
Shut up!
alex jones
Shut up!
dan friesen
This is back when he maybe couldn't skip as many breaks.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Before that Mercer money came in.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
As I suspect.
But yeah, this is another idea that he has that's based on sort of Illuminati beliefs.
This idea of like sort of externalizing the program.
You've got to show people what you're doing in order for it to mean anything.
A lot of times when he talks about these Illuminati rituals that they do at the halftime shows and stuff, it's called lesser magic.
Whenever you...
unidentified
Eyebrow raise?
jordan holmes
Lesser magic?
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's this idea of...
It even extends to putting something that the globalists are going to do into a science fiction movie.
So it like...
It gets people used to the idea.
jordan holmes
That predictive programming.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's all part of this lesser magic game that the globalists play in order to do things in plain sight.
And then putting out all their white papers that say these things that Alex thinks they say but they don't is another part of that.
Which again feeds into that little bit of that schizophrenia.
jordan holmes
Which is like why they had Pullman become president in Independence Day so he'd be prepared.
For him to become president in real life.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
Totally.
jordan holmes
That makes perfect sense to me.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Who else would be a better president?
dan friesen
Paxton.
Wait, we lost him.
jordan holmes
No, we lost Paxton.
dan friesen
Shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
All right.
This next clip, Alex gets super condescending about how you need to wake the fuck up.
jordan holmes
I do.
I'm really tired.
alex jones
I'm going to say this very, very slowly for new listeners.
I don't mean this in a condescending way, but...
The denial has to end right now.
You can go to Google and type IMF World Bank documents leaked 2002.
The BBC covered part of them.
Then they told Greg Palast, we're going to fire you if you do any more pieces on this, basically.
He got pulled back from former top.
dan friesen
So also keep in mind there that he said basically.
That's a qualifying word.
jordan holmes
It is.
It is.
We say it a lot.
dan friesen
Basically, we do.
But whenever you're not making a real assertion, you say stuff like, well, kind of, basically.
He's like, I got pulled back from it by the BBC, basically.
jordan holmes
Did he get fired or pulled back?
dan friesen
Nope, he was a freelancer.
alex jones
Federal fraud investigator that went to work for the BBC.
And in it, the IMF and World Bank were planning the takedown of the West.
Next, they'd already taken over the third world, Latin America, Africa, and much of Asia through fraud.
And it talked about how they would then depress economies, have the country sign on to debt, do bailout after bailout that actually puts the countries in debt to the megabanks when the companies themselves are being bailed out by the countries.
And the public is so illiterate, is the proper word, Total illiteracy when it comes to basic financial systems.
But even when you tune into CNBC, that's all within the paradigm of the controlled economic order.
So that itself is not how it really operates.
dan friesen
What are you saying?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
What is he trying to say?
dan friesen
I don't know what that part at the end there is.
I don't...
He just undoes every single thing he was saying up to that point.
He's like, but then there's another paradigm, and that's not really even how the world works.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
What are you doing?
unidentified
Which, but he, I mean, the big banks did...
jordan holmes
Pull that shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And they did.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
They did cause them to get a whole shit ton of debt, and then the banks themselves were bailed out by the people.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
This is true!
dan friesen
Predatory capitalism.
jordan holmes
Why didn't he just stop there?
dan friesen
Because it's not enough to sell your fucking huckstery goods.
jordan holmes
I think it is.
Wait, no, it's not enough to sell huckstery goods.
I think it's enough for me to want...
Just fires.
Just fires all over the place.
dan friesen
Well, that's actually part of the IMS plan.
jordan holmes
To burn?
To burn.
dan friesen
Riots come at the end, and then when you're burning down cities, the globalist banks can come in and buy everything up for super cheap.
jordan holmes
No, but I want to burn down the globalist banks.
dan friesen
Let's get them.
No, but here's the thing.
So I did Google this, that Alex Jones condescendingly told me to two years ago.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
I Googled this, and I looked for IMF leaks 2002.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And I found an article.
In The Guardian by Greg Palast.
jordan holmes
Right.
Which was not in the BBC.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
He does an interview with a guy who used to work for the IMF and got fired.
Very ugly firing.
jordan holmes
Unceremoniously.
dan friesen
And he had some really terrible things to say about the IMF and how they operate.
I think a lot of it is spiritually fairly accurate.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Stuff about, like, you know, like you were saying.
Getting countries to borrow more than they should, and when they can't, they default on their loans.
But you buy up their water plants and stuff like that.
And then you can just basically fuck over a country.
But there's nothing in there...
jordan holmes
The way that...
Just the American way.
dan friesen
There's nothing in his article, and there are no leaks that are out anywhere.
I couldn't find any...
Primary documents.
jordan holmes
It was just a guy who got fired.
dan friesen
Right.
They reference documents in that article, but they aren't anywhere.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
They aren't public.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
They never got put out or whatever.
Maybe they are in some weird part of the dark web that I'm not going to go to, but they're not.
jordan holmes
Get it to our browser.
dan friesen
I'm not going to do that.
So, nowhere in any of it has anything to do about trying to collapse...
Entire regions of the world.
There's nothing in there like an evil plan that the West is next.
All this stuff is fantasies from Alex's brain, which is the basically that I was talking about earlier.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
That's the part where he can't stop at the truth.
He's got to guild that shit.
And that's where it becomes a lie, and it becomes propaganda, serving his globalist, one-world government boner.
That he has in his paranoia brain.
jordan holmes
The interesting thing about this is that it seems like in 2015, he was far more interested in the kernel of truth that leads to the lie.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
As opposed to now, where it seems like he's divorced himself from reality entirely.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Kernel of truth, fuck that.
Popcorn of lies.
That's what I want.
I don't start at the beginning.
I explode with bullshit.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
Given to me by Trump's...
Kids!
dan friesen
I told you.
jordan holmes
Who are not supposed to have any contact with him in regards to business situations.
dan friesen
Or anyone in the government.
jordan holmes
Or anyone!
dan friesen
But I told you before we started recording, we're going to see a pretty different Alex Jones on this show.
Like, he's still a liar, he's still a bullshit artist, he's still obsessed with the globalists.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But this is a different dude.
jordan holmes
I'm halfway charmed by this guy.
dan friesen
I'm not charmed.
But I do think...
jordan holmes
Well, let me put it this way.
I'm much more willing to entertain this than I am, you know, it's going to be 1776 all over again.
dan friesen
He still thinks that, though, in his head at this point.
But there's a couple points that we're going to get to where I think you might...
We'll get current Alex Jones shining through.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But actually, here's a clip where he's very...
He would never say this today.
jordan holmes
Do we get to add number three to things that we agree with Alex Jones on?
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
I do not agree with this at all.
unidentified
But he would be goddamned if he said this today.
dan friesen
See if you can tell why.
alex jones
I mean, the globalists, if you're, quote, state or your country doesn't pay a debt, they'll go in with sanctions and grab the assets overseas, like you're doing to Russia, and not over debts.
But because Russia is defending its population that's indigenous to eastern Ukraine and the Crimea.
jordan holmes
Yeah, sure.
alex jones
Again, not saying Russia is faultless, but they didn't start the war.
They didn't overthrow Ukraine.
unidentified
They sure did.
alex jones
Like George Soros, the same group of bankers.
And they're now having their assets all over the world seized.
Their companies shut down that Americans and Brits and Germans and other people work in.
Remember WikiLeaks?
They thought Assange was trying to fly into Germany and other countries?
jordan holmes
Here we go.
alex jones
And NATO would force Russian aircraft down to search them?
That's the New World Order, folks.
So there's nowhere to run.
And they bring down Russia and a few other countries.
Sure, you're jumping out of the fire into the frying pan, but the fire's going to get a lot hotter when there's no firewalls.
States are like firewalls or like bulkheads in a ship for water.
If you don't have them, one leak will bring you down.
jordan holmes
God, I wish that were true.
alex jones
Once there's global government, folks, there'll be nowhere to run.
And we know the people running this world government are the maximum alpha tyrants the world has ever seen.
dan friesen
Maximum alpha tyrants.
jordan holmes
I can't think of anyone who that might apply to.
dan friesen
One dude.
Maximum...
Alpha Tyrant is the sort of linguistic version of three examples of animals in your bed.
Like, that's...
It's excessive.
We gotcha.
jordan holmes
Well, I think that's a great beer, too, isn't it?
dan friesen
Oh, yeah, yeah.
It's a great IPA.
jordan holmes
Ooh, so good.
dan friesen
The Bugs in Your Bed beer?
Bugs in Your Bed IPA?
jordan holmes
Hundred Black Widows in Your Bed.
dan friesen
So, also, A, he would never say those things.
Like, he still says that George Soros is responsible for Ukraine.
The uprising in Ukraine.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Or, like, for overthrowing Ukraine.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But suspiciously absent from his language pretty much since Donald Trump got around has been these positive things about Putin and about how the Russians were just protecting their people in the Ukraine.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
In Crimea.
They were just going in there protecting people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they definitely don't have a maximum alpha tyrant.
dan friesen
No!
jordan holmes
That would be insane.
Putin is just a protector.
dan friesen
Sure.
He just wants to kick the globalists out.
unidentified
Absolutely!
dan friesen
He's not literally resembling a demon, as Alex said on the Y2K episode.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Crazy.
So crazy.
He's defending Russia.
jordan holmes
He's gone so far back and forth on all of this shit.
unidentified
It's...
jordan holmes
Like, I wonder if there is a step too far for him.
Is there anything that he will not switch on?
dan friesen
Globalists.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but the definition of who is and isn't a globalist is always ever-changing.
You can be a globalist one day and a patriot the next.
Much like the bouncing back and forth on WikiLeaks that literally everyone is doing right now.
unidentified
Where it's like, ah, it was good when it was dead, and now it's bad whenever it's dead, and now it's good.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
No, I guess in that case, no.
There's nothing.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Well, Second Amendment, maybe?
jordan holmes
Uh, ooh, that is a good thing.
dan friesen
Because he did, also he didn't...
jordan holmes
Not the Second Amendment, that is a bad thing.
dan friesen
He didn't always used to be so into God as he is now, so that's sort of even like a little waffly.
jordan holmes
Although even then his...
dan friesen
He can't go back.
jordan holmes
His belief in God is very nebulous as to what it is God wants or does not want.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I mean, we're still...
dan friesen
It's an esoteric weird God, but...
jordan holmes
Let's not forget the 12th dimensional beings that are out there.
dan friesen
You can go back on that one.
I think it might just be the Second Amendment.
Like, guns.
Guns might be the only thing he has.
jordan holmes
Guns are it.
dan friesen
If he turned against guns, he would lose almost all of his audience.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's probably true.
dan friesen
Now, there's a lot of weird factions within his audience, but I think one of the biggest through lines is people who love guns.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
So...
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
unidentified
Ugh.
jordan holmes
Ugh.
dan friesen
But Russia was cool two years ago.
jordan holmes
Russia's super cool.
dan friesen
So congratulations, Alex.
That's weird of you to think.
So this next clip, he's talking about Greece.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He says so much shit about Greece, and it's all repetitious.
It's all just the globalists are planning to take them down, blah, blah, blah.
jordan holmes
So it's not that the Greek people themselves are bad?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Greek people themselves are great.
jordan holmes
Oh, good!
dan friesen
Yeah, they're victims of this globalist system.
jordan holmes
I agree.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, maybe not the globalists.
I agree they are victims.
dan friesen
They're victims of this banking system.
jordan holmes
That is true.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, he's going to talk about how it's a bank holiday, and he goes on a real nice rant, real nice riff on the idea of a bank holiday, does a little bit of singing, and then...
jordan holmes
Before we go any further.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
What the fuck is he talking about with this Barry Goldwater and Rockefeller shit?
dan friesen
Who cares?
unidentified
But where are these weird-ass references coming from?
dan friesen
It's books he read and didn't understand years and years ago.
That's all that's going on.
I've learned not to chase these rabbits down the hole, because I have in the past gone down and read things that he's referenced, and consistently they don't say what he says.
So I'm not going to read a whole fucking book by Barry Goldwater.
I'm just not gonna do it.
I don't have time.
jordan holmes
He had some good ideas.
dan friesen
I got a lot of Philip K. Dick to read, right?
Sorry.
I'm on to Voices from the Street.
unidentified
Ooh!
dan friesen
It's his second novel, published in 2007, posthumously.
jordan holmes
Way after the IMF leaks.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Bank Holiday loses the thread.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Loses the thread, starts rambling.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And we'll get back and talk a little more about it.
jordan holmes
Bank Holidays are good, though.
dan friesen
Not in this case.
jordan holmes
Not in this case.
Okay.
alex jones
Greece closes banks ahead of referendum.
UPI.
unidentified
Oh, they're having a bank holiday.
alex jones
Jocelyn talks about a holiday.
It's not that normal holiday.
You're out water skiing.
Out having fun.
unidentified
It's a holiday.
alex jones
It's a Patriot Act.
It's a new freedom initiative.
It's an Affordable Care Act that doubles and triples prices.
jordan holmes
Smooth.
alex jones
But it says affordable.
I'm convinced you can sell to Trendy's buckets of horse manure, tell them it's pumpkin pie, that had a Trendy on the front of it, or maybe a man in drag with a mustache.
That's the coolest thing.
And now you do that, it's over.
I don't know why that's the top Trendy thing for like 10 years in Austin, downspread worldwide, a guy in a dress with a mustache, but I guess Leslie is the global icon.
The Globals actually chose him.
They said, you.
Will be the example of everyone.
I had an office by Leslie's house.
Made a big living off of his professional homeless.
He died a few years ago.
I don't like to speak ill of the dead.
I'm kind of digressing, but...
unidentified
Oh, indeed you are, my friend.
alex jones
Anyways, the point is...
It's kind of like I know a celebrity.
Grease closes banks ahead of referendum.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Do you have any idea what he was talking about?
jordan holmes
Well...
The reason Greece closed their banks ahead of the referendum was because they didn't know what the referendum was going to turn out.
There was a huge chance they would pull a 1929 and just take as much money out of the banks as possible.
dan friesen
Which we've all learned is bad.
jordan holmes
It's a super bad thing.
dan friesen
Which is a natural human reaction to do, that you want to go grab your money, but if you do that, you're hurting everybody else and yourself.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that causes rapid inflation and everybody goes fucking batshit.
dan friesen
So now it seems super evil for people to close banks, but it's actually in everyone's best interest.
It seems manipulative and like, hey, Right.
But also, my dad was in Greece during this time.
jordan holmes
No shit!
dan friesen
Yeah, my dad goes to Greece a bit for, like, you know, scholastic endeavors and stuff.
He's a professor.
jordan holmes
Does he also go on holiday?
dan friesen
He doesn't water ski.
jordan holmes
He doesn't water ski?
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
He's a pretty boring guy.
He's super awesome.
jordan holmes
What about wears a dress and mustache?
dan friesen
We'll get to that in a minute.
But he was over there during this period in 2015.
unidentified
That's pretty fascinating.
dan friesen
I've talked to him about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And, you know, the thing where if you were a foreigner, you could take money out.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So what he was doing, and a lot of people were doing, was that they were, since they had foreign bank accounts, they were taking out tons of money and helping people.
And so there was a bunch of resources on the ground, just independently, of the people who couldn't get money out of their own bank accounts.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Just, you know, very helpful.
Not always Americans, other European countries and stuff like that.
People helping people out.
Good people.
Yeah, there was a real nice grassroots thing going on there that I have no interest in hearing about.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But even beyond that, I mean, closing the banks is the right thing to do.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
Bottom line.
Now, he goes on to say that you could say...
He makes a great point that bad things are named good things.
The Patriot Act is bad.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And it's called the Patriot Act.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's newspeak.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It's Orwellian bullshit.
dan friesen
That good point lasts almost no time having good will.
No, no, no.
He then goes on to rant about men in dresses with mustaches.
jordan holmes
Yeah, who's Leslie?
dan friesen
You don't know?
jordan holmes
I don't know who Leslie is.
dan friesen
The globalists picked him to be the face of things.
jordan holmes
I still don't know who that is.
I mean, obviously, I am not awake.
dan friesen
I'm going to tell you and the listeners who Leslie is.
But before I do...
jordan holmes
Because he just used one name.
He didn't give a last name.
dan friesen
I'll tell you this.
jordan holmes
I genuinely thought Leslie Nielsen for a second.
dan friesen
I'll tell you this.
I've met Leslie.
jordan holmes
No shit!
dan friesen
Yeah.
But also, if you don't know who Leslie is, or you do, tweet at us.
I want to take a little poll.
Before I tell you who he is, go ahead and sound off.
Now I'll tell you.
Leslie was a homeless activist in Austin, Texas.
He was homeless for many years and was a huge advocate that headed up a lot of causes for homeless rights, police brutality rights, these sorts of things.
He's a good dude.
He also made a big spectacle out of himself.
He wore women's clothing.
He also was a cross-dresser.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And would wear women's clothing around, like, 6th Street and go and hang around and get the word out.
He'd also like to party.
He'd party around, too.
That's how I ended up meeting him.
I was partying on 6th Street, and he came up, and he was super nice.
We smoked a cigarette, and we hugged.
There's a picture of us somewhere.
But anyway, he died.
unidentified
That's really cool.
dan friesen
He died in 2012.
After he got the shit beat out of him in 2009, he was found unconscious outdoors and was transported to the University Medical Center in critical condition in 2009.
This is October 3, 2009.
Within two weeks, he had regained consciousness and was transferred to a rehabilitation center.
When he was released, on October 23, 2009, Cochran, that's his last name, reported that he had been attacked after commenting to a group of people about the dangers of drug abuse.
Which is reasonably responsible.
That's believable.
That's within the scope of his sort of type of activism and the like.
Sure.
Also, not outside the spectrum of reality that he was beat up because he is an old cross-dresser.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's a possibility that these people beat him up for that after he said something about drug abuse.
jordan holmes
He is in Texas?
Those people are there.
dan friesen
So he got the shit kicked out of him in 2009 and suffered head trauma.
Then three years later, two and a half years later, his health just deteriorated from there.
And he ended up trying to get some brain surgery.
And it was successful, but then he ended up dying after that of complications within a month.
So he's a very tragic story.
He is also a very empowering story of someone who did a lot with his life.
Made an impression on millions of people and helped with charitable causes that have helped tons and tons of people.
Fuck you for minimizing him in such a way to say that he's a trendy dress and a mustache, you piece of shit, Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
So this dude was, like, to the point where, with all of his support, if he had asked for it, people would have made him not homeless.
Correct?
dan friesen
I think towards the end of his life, he may not have been homeless.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I think throughout a lot of it...
jordan holmes
Well, I would almost guarantee that after that...
dan friesen
I mean, Alex Jones did just say he has a house.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
I'm sure.
jordan holmes
But the point being...
dan friesen
He spent a lot of time homeless, though.
jordan holmes
The point being, he did an immense amount of good, and Alex Jones has turned that into, you are a small...
Meaningless pawn for the globalists.
dan friesen
And that you've made money off your homeless act or whatever it was.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which is...
jordan holmes
Because you wore a dress.
dan friesen
Now...
jordan holmes
Which...
Absolutely would gain you much more attention than if you didn't.
dan friesen
I would also say that he ran for mayor three times, but unsuccessfully.
But Austin's full of fucking weirdos like that.
Kinky Friedman runs for office all the fucking time.
And he writes mystery novels about him and his cat solving crimes.
So it's full of awesome, weird personalities.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's Austin.
dan friesen
Anyway...
jordan holmes
As we discussed, they had...
What was it?
Was it a balloon store?
unidentified
Or...
jordan holmes
No, a...
dan friesen
A pinata store.
jordan holmes
A specialty pinata store.
dan friesen
Next to a cat sanctuary that Alex Jones thinks that the trendies are trying to shut down.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Over his stupid misunderstanding of bullshit.
jordan holmes
Makes perfect sense.
unidentified
God, I love the idea of a pinata store so much.
dan friesen
I'm super excited when I was listening to this.
I was like, I know Leslie.
That's awesome.
That's super cool.
jordan holmes
And then he turned it into shit.
dan friesen
Alex, come on.
He should know better.
Actually, he shouldn't.
Alex is a closed-minded man.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but how do you look at somebody who did that much?
dan friesen
I'm not saying he did everything.
jordan holmes
I'm not saying that either.
dan friesen
I'm not saying Leslie is the hero of the world.
jordan holmes
I'm definitely not saying that.
dan friesen
Probably also a drunk, let's be clear.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
No, there's a reason.
Mental illness, drinking, all of that stuff.
I have no doubt that by no means was he a saint.
Sure.
At the same time, I am not a saint, and I sure as fuck haven't done as much good as Leslie has.
dan friesen
We've donated a little money from this podcast.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
We donate a little bit to charity.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we do our best, but that's definitely not on that scope or level.
unidentified
No, no, no, no.
jordan holmes
So to turn that into something like that is just fucking offensive.
dan friesen
And from everything I could look up, I see no evidence of globalist involvement.
In his life.
So now you might be asking yourself, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Was he funded by Hamdi Ulukaya?
unidentified
Ulukaya!
Now we're making fun of his name.
dan friesen
We're making fun of Alex.
jordan holmes
We're making fun of Alex, but yeah.
dan friesen
You might be asking yourself, alright, this is two years of the past.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Did Alex Jones always have his smooth-ass transitioning into a sales pitch skills?
jordan holmes
Did he?
dan friesen
You might be asking yourself that.
jordan holmes
I don't think he did.
dan friesen
Alright, let's see.
alex jones
But the foreign banks can own jet aircraft and ship the drugs in and out of the country publicly.
They can be in the news.
Nobody gets in trouble.
Before I go any further, when I tell you stuff selling out, we never know what's going to be a bestseller.
Everything we promote and push and enforce.
jordan holmes
The fact that he went from the foreign banks to his own bullshit is so blatant.
dan friesen
But the answer is kind of no.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because he did also have a long pause and then a So, no, he wasn't always as good.
jordan holmes
No, by no means.
dan friesen
Or he might be just having an off day.
unidentified
That's possible.
dan friesen
But now, he gets into this sales pitch.
jordan holmes
He's overly concerned with gay marriage that he refuses to talk about.
dan friesen
And getting sued out of existence in two and a half years.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he gets into this sales pitch, and it's too long for me to play it in its entirety.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
But he said something, and I was like, huh, it's a good thing that I listen to Alex Jones every day.
It's the only time I've ever said that.
jordan holmes
No, it's not.
dan friesen
But if I didn't...
jordan holmes
It is a dangerous thing to your mental health.
dan friesen
If I didn't, I would not have been able to recognize this next clip as evidence of a lie in a clip that we played on the March 30th episode.
He invalidates an argument that he made this March two years in the past.
This is very exciting for me.
jordan holmes
You...
You are a fucking lunatic.
dan friesen
Listen to this, though.
jordan holmes
I love you, but that is the craziest thing I have ever heard in my entire life.
dan friesen
But listen to this clip.
I think you'll agree with me.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
So when I tell you Survival Shield X2 is going to be selling out soon, we're selling out of this proprietary iodine very quickly.
Group is close to hopefully getting more of the deep earth crystals.
But you have to go to...
I don't want to get into all of it, but it's very complex to go in on the market.
Contracts.
You got to bid.
To try to get these aggregates that are very rare.
And by rare, deep earth iodine's not rare.
The clean stuff is.
And then most people aren't going to drill in five, ten million dollar drilling operations to go 12,000 feet to get it.
I mean, it costs millions of dollars.
So that's why it's hard to get, because you've got to find the weirdo companies that are out drilling in the right area that will go for this.
I mean, it's finite stuff, because people aren't drilling for it.
We're the weirdos that understand how important it is and go out and get it.
If you want Survival Shield X2, secure yours today, Infowarslife.com.
dan friesen
Now, the clip from the March 30th episode is way too fucking long for me to play here because it's a nine-minute, almost at the point of tears, drunk sales pitch.
jordan holmes
Yes, I recall that one.
dan friesen
You remember what he was saying, and I will refresh for the listeners what he was saying, is he was, on March 30th of 2017, he was saying...
That the globalists were trying to cut off his iodine supply.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he was using almost every single argument that he just made here.
jordan holmes
For why they...
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he was saying that it was some sort of concerted effort against him.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Two years later, but two years before, he's like, listen, not many people do this.
It's expensive.
That sort of thing.
What an asshole.
jordan holmes
Now, I could see the argument being made that two years ago, the globalists weren't.
Trying to take his deep earth iodine.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
And now that they know about his deep earth iodine and the wacky people who do that, now they're going for it.
dan friesen
I don't like...
I don't...
jordan holmes
I love your...
I love your speechlessness.
dan friesen
It's not speechlessness, it's frustration.
Because it's like, yes, okay, fine.
Alright.
jordan holmes
See?
Done.
Problem solved.
dan friesen
That's how the Alex Jones game is played.
jordan holmes
I'm selling Alex Jones now.
dan friesen
You could legitimately do that for every single argument against him.
What if they were doing it?
jordan holmes
Well, do you know why?
dan friesen
Fine.
jordan holmes
I've been taking Deep Earth Iodine.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
I'm super powered.
I don't need super male vitality.
I'm doing just fine right there.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
But without my Deep Earth Iodine, I don't have the energy.
I don't have the...
Whatever else it is deep earth iodine is supposed to do.
dan friesen
It's unclear.
jordan holmes
I don't know why the crystals are so important.
dan friesen
I don't either.
jordan holmes
I don't understand any of the deep earth iodine thing.
And according to all of the scientific research that I have read, there is absolutely no...
dan friesen
I have read some reviews of some of his products recently, and I don't know if they're jokes or not.
jordan holmes
The best type of joke.
dan friesen
Like, they're so bizarre that I don't know if they're someone making a, like, just trolling.
I have no idea.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But there are a number of them for Caveman.
His bone broth.
jordan holmes
The bone broth?
That our Millie Weaver finds delicious.
dan friesen
She loves it.
Tastes like chocolate.
There's a bunch of them, though, that have the same sort of pattern.
They follow the same pattern.
That is, I can't not take this now.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But it's not like I feel so good when I'm on it.
It's addiction.
I feel so shitty when I don't take it.
jordan holmes
It is addiction.
dan friesen
That to me indicates, like, I know from...
Past drug use.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right?
dan friesen
That you get into an elevated state for a long enough time.
Normal feels shitty.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so, if you're taking something that really fucks with your metabolism, really fucks with your heart rate, whatever, the chaga mushroom, and all this bullshit does.
jordan holmes
Never heard of the chaga mushroom.
dan friesen
No, I don't know what the fuck else is in there.
It's not been evaluated by the FDA, but neither has, like, yellow jackets.
And shit like that.
Trucker speed.
jordan holmes
No, all of the GNC vitamin pills and all of that shit, none of that is regulated by the FDA.
And they definitely spend billions of dollars to make sure.
Well, they don't have to spend billions.
They spend millions of dollars because our politicians are that cheap.
It isn't even hard to buy our politicians now.
dan friesen
It makes total sense to me.
Two things could make sense to me.
One, that these are joke reviews.
The other thing that totally I would believe is that it really fucks you up in a good way.
jordan holmes
It's drug dependency.
dan friesen
Basically.
And now when you don't take it, you're like, oh, I'm so depleted because I don't have my bone broth.
jordan holmes
Like if I don't drink for two days.
dan friesen
A couple of them were even like, once this goes off sale, I'm not going to be able to afford it and I'm really going to miss it.
I need it.
It was really a huge bummer.
jordan holmes
That's really sad.
dan friesen
Which actually could bring into focus his economic model.
A little bit.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
If there is stuff that is sort of habit forming.
jordan holmes
First taste is 51% off for the Easter sale.
unidentified
53, baby.
jordan holmes
Yeah, 53% off.
dan friesen
It totally makes sense as a model.
jordan holmes
Well, drug dealers have been doing it for decades.
dan friesen
So we've got a couple more clips, and then we're going to delve into two adventures, adventurisms that happen on this episode.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This next clip, though, is really, really unfortunate.
And Alex is walking what I would describe as a tightrope of a metaphor.
And I don't think he succeeds.
jordan holmes
I love his inability to metaphor correctly.
dan friesen
This is dangerous.
jordan holmes
His ability to metaphor is like if I threw a hundred black widows into his studio but kept them in their own separate pen.
dan friesen
Okay.
Great metaphor.
jordan holmes
That's a great metaphor.
dan friesen
I'm going to say because this is such a tightrope, Let's put the mic down and enjoy this because I think we're going to hear him make something that borders on a very racist metaphor.
jordan holmes
Oh no!
dan friesen
We could assess it after the fact, but how it hits my ears is very racist.
jordan holmes
Wait, why would you say it's borderline if then you're like...
dan friesen
Because I could see an argument for what he's trying to say.
jordan holmes
This is like a deep earth crystal thing all over.
dan friesen
It is.
alex jones
You're only given a place at the table.
dan friesen
He's talking about with the globalists.
alex jones
If you work against what's wholesome and good, because instinctively they want to bring down what's wholesome and good, even though they feed off of it, because they're jealous of it and they're diametrically opposed to it, and they have historical and genetic memories.
That the good has defeated them over and over again.
When I say them, I mean corrupt people throughout history all the same.
And that's why they argue when I talk about genetics, I don't mean a black bloodline or a white bloodline or an Asian bloodline, but within blacks, Asians, whites, whatever, everybody knows that you can say, oh no, don't get that dachshund.
It comes from really mentally ill biters.
That's really a screwed up breeder.
They got problems.
Oh, this breeder's wonderful.
Nice, sweet, smart dogs.
Well, it's the same thing with humans.
You've got a race between good, loving creators who just want to be healthy and happy and care about others and who don't think about power and people that do want the power and who crave it and who aren't going to let you go work 9 to 5 and put your kids through college and then go out to the lake cottage on the weekend.
They're going to destroy your world because they're going to conquer you.
Because they know that things are going to get so bad, you're going to finally wake up and get together and bring them down.
And so they're there, working, always working.
When we come back, I'll give the number out, and we're going to get the latest Mark Dice video.
It's one of the worst ever.
dan friesen
I love that plug at the end.
jordan holmes
We're going to get to one of the worst Mark Dice videos ever.
dan friesen
And you know what?
I agree.
It's terrible.
So let's assess that.
unidentified
Let's assess that metaphor.
jordan holmes
That is so racist.
dan friesen
It's more racist that he couches it with the, I'm not talking about a black bloodline.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he immediately went to, I am protecting myself from this racist state.
He's pulling a full-on, I'm not a racist butt.
dan friesen
Perfectly, yes, absolutely.
jordan holmes
That is a seamless transition into old white dude racism.
dan friesen
Now, the reason I said it was on the border is because the point he's trying to make, I think, is that these globalists come from I'm a full-on member of the 5% Nation now.
jordan holmes
I hope you know that.
dan friesen
I'm glad to have another inductee.
I don't think you can ever make that argument succinctly that he's trying to make.
When you're using genetic lines and stuff like that?
Unless you're going full hog.
You're just going all the way and you are saying that the elites are made up of the nine powerful bloodlines that existed from blah blah.
If you're going that far and you're going David Icke on us, then your metaphor is fine.
You're not being racist.
You're being an idiot.
And patently anti-Semitic.
unidentified
I think his...
jordan holmes
The way I understood it was he was trying to say, as Alex Jones as possible, that all humans are genetically good, but the people who are genetically bad are like the dachshund?
dan friesen
Who's a biter.
jordan holmes
Who's a biter.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Now, there's...
Now, if you want to pull the dachshund transcends race in this metaphor, I'm fine with that.
Except he picked a very specific genetic thing.
Like, the dachshund in particular is more likely to bite?
I don't see any way to get out of this without you at least going, Alex, you know...
You're being racist, right?
dan friesen
Well, especially because it is like...
jordan holmes
Because the get-off-the-air music started playing, too.
dan friesen
And it got loud.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they really...
Somebody was in the booth.
dan friesen
Buckley was just at the potentiometer.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Up, up, up, up.
jordan holmes
No, no, Alex!
Alex, back it away!
dan friesen
Alex is an insane biter.
But here, I think, if I could crystallize this, deep-earth crystallize this...
I think the reason that it comes off as racist and is is because this argument has been made by racists since time immemorial.
The idea that certain races are inferior because of the shitty bloodline and what have you.
So whenever you try and make that argument the exact same argument about something different, it has that baggage that comes along with it.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
And when you're talking about something like...
You know...
jordan holmes
That was the justification for slavery.
dan friesen
And when you're talking...
jordan holmes
Like, from the start, they were like, well, genetically, they're blah, blah, blah.
They're predetermined to be less than.
dan friesen
Right.
And when he, you know, I mean, again, this relates directly back to the protocols of the elders of Zion.
This is a belief that the alleged Zionist cabal has about humans.
And Alex thinks that the globalists have about us.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a direct mirror.
Through this...
Racish?
No, it's racist.
Metaphor.
And I think another reason that it is racist, I have to stick this down, is because the idea of the behavior of being a biter, something like that, that is something that is in your genes.
That is not like...
jordan holmes
Instead of learned behavior.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's just...
It's really troubling.
It's really troubling for me to hear him make arguments like that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Especially because if you are a racist and you hear that, you get it.
jordan holmes
You get it.
That is also like a smokescreen for you to say you're not racist because he preambled it with the, it's not about white, black, or Asian, which are the only people he is aware of.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
So you get to, like, hide behind that where you say, no, no, no, no, no.
It's not that I'm racist.
It's that I'm talking about genetics.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Not...
Skin color.
Right.
dan friesen
I'm not talking about racism.
I'm talking about phrenology.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
Some people are good, and some people are bad, and that's because of their genes and their bloodlines, and maybe the people that I think are bad are the ones who don't look like me.
dan friesen
So let's get off this.
At this point, Alex introduces the fact that he's going to start taking calls.
jordan holmes
Yes, I saw that.
dan friesen
He did say he was going to open up the phone lines.
When he comes back, he introduces the topics that he wants to talk about.
He wants to talk about Greece.
He wants to talk about how the world is being overrun by these globalists.
And then he poses this question that I think is poorly framed.
alex jones
Will this be the big global meltdown coming up this winter, early next year?
It may be.
Or will it just be another global crisis?
That they engineer to get even more power and more bailouts while blaming it on Greece.
dan friesen
Seems like neither of those options, like, there's a third option, you know?
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
I don't know, a third option.
jordan holmes
I can't say any.
dan friesen
Either this is going to be the great global meltdown, or it's just going to be another thing that the globalists have orchestrated.
jordan holmes
Right, so it's going to be the great global meltdown, or a global crisis.
Not quite, it's like, it's either going to be the worst thing ever, or just...
The worst thing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He also doesn't really end up taking any meaningful calls.
He does talk to one guy more about Russia, and it's the exact same sort of stuff.
He's playing the fence and being like...
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But none of the calls were worthwhile, and it sucks because they take up a good amount of the show.
So we lose a good 40-minute chunk of usable material just because it's such garbage, these phone calls.
But...
Before he gets to taking phone calls in earnest.
jordan holmes
Now, let me ask you a question about those phone calls real quick.
dan friesen
I love it.
jordan holmes
Were there any that weren't, like, just jerk-off agreement fests?
Did any conversation really happen?
dan friesen
One.
There was someone named Grandma who called in.
jordan holmes
All right, I'm already on board.
dan friesen
And she wanted to talk about how the bond market, if it falls apart...
jordan holmes
That is a bad way to talk to Alex Jones.
dan friesen
If it falls apart, then people's pensions won't get paid.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And Alex tries to talk like he understands the situation.
jordan holmes
No clue.
dan friesen
He doesn't.
She doesn't either.
So it's really troubling.
And hey, third party, I don't really either.
But I can smell bullshit.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And they're just dancing around.
Alex is using $5 words.
And she's like, you know, you always talk about this.
This othering thing where you've got divide and conquer mentalities.
You always talk about black and white, but you never talk about...
And he's like, do you mean generations, ma 'am?
He interrupts her.
He's like, yes, that is another thing.
We do talk about it.
We should talk about it more.
Buckley, write that down.
Let's talk about it more.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
Generations.
Yeah, everybody trying to turn the young against the old.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Buckley.
dan friesen
So, yeah, I mean, that was kind of not an agreement fest, but it still wasn't tension.
But another thing he does a bunch on this episode is introduce topics that he's gonna get to and doesn't.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He keeps having like...
jordan holmes
In classic Alex Jones fashion.
dan friesen
We'll get to it in the next break.
Never gets to him.
This first one...
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Did we ever come back to Farrakhan?
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
How about...
Let's see.
I've got...
Ban the American flag.
Did we ever get to that one?
dan friesen
We're about to in a minute.
jordan holmes
Fuck yes!
I'm so happy about that one.
Because that one was the first thing where I was like, fuck yeah, let's get into this Alex Jones shit.
dan friesen
So I actually have a lot to say about that, but before we get to it, he has to talk about a story he's not going to get to.
alex jones
We're also going to look at the ACLU now not supporting religious freedom of speech, saying restrict it.
jordan holmes
Just like the ACLU does.
alex jones
They only used...
An open society to where we accepted all this, quote, alternative stuff.
Now we're not going to be tolerated.
No matter what your view is.
Don't believe in man-made global warming?
Don't want to pay Al Gore a tax?
Boom, you're in trouble.
jordan holmes
Yes.
alex jones
Don't want to hire a tranny to be your Catholic school teacher?
jordan holmes
I don't even want you to stay tranny.
alex jones
Boom, you're shut down.
And we're not joking.
Don't want to have a Catholic church or your Protestant church pay for abortions?
Boom, you're shut down.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Good.
alex jones
This is the opposite of tolerance.
It's the big communal system.
dan friesen
No one is forcing a church to pay for abortions.
jordan holmes
Nope, everybody was.
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I remember it.
In 2015, I remember the most important thing that I talked about with a lot of people was like, hey, you know what I want?
I want to force churches to pay for my abortion.
I'm not even having one.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Uh-uh.
dan friesen
Give me money.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Catholic Church.
jordan holmes
Also, nobody forced Alex to pay for those abortions, so...
dan friesen
Wink.
So anyway, it goes on.
alex jones
It's the great tyranny.
You have a right to put on a dress.
jordan holmes
Yes.
alex jones
But you do not have a right...
jordan holmes
Say yes to the dress.
alex jones
...to not have foreign banks destroy your country.
This is the great joke of social engineering, where they made being trendy, the new religion, and now people...
It's perfect.
Because they can change the dogma day to day, hour to hour, with the new accepted reality, whatever that may be.
And so they only, with a quasi-puritanical nation like the U.S., that was really always piratical and wild right under the surface, they make it sex and, quote, deviance to be the bait so that we accept whatever the new changes are.
And now we've opened the door up to whatever they want.
It's politically incorrect to let your 11-year-old play basketball in the backyard.
You'll be arrested.
You let your 7-year-old daughter in your small town run across as you watch her out the window and play at the park like I did?
I used to go to my grandparents' house that was in Hyde Park in Austin, and I'd be 6, 7 years old, and I'd stand with them during the summer, and I'd run across the street.
If you guys look up the name of the park in Austin, in Hyde Park, it'll pop in my head in a minute.
dan friesen
Spoiler alert, he talks about going to this park for like four minutes.
He really lost the thread in terms of complaining about the ACLU.
So that 11-year-old kid who got arrested, he got taken by the authorities for playing basketball in his own yard.
jordan holmes
Oh, that was a real thing?
dan friesen
Yeah, it was a story that did happen.
There were neighbors who thought that the parents were negligent because the kid was always home alone.
Because they got off work much later.
jordan holmes
It was a latchkey kid situation.
dan friesen
You know what?
It is nosy neighbors, I believe.
jordan holmes
Yeah, kind of fucked them.
dan friesen
I looked into it, and I think it is like, guys, mind your fucking business.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But their motivation was protecting this child, because their concern was he didn't have water, didn't have food for the time that the parents were, or didn't have access to a bathroom, because he was locked out of his house.
jordan holmes
Oh, that is not good.
dan friesen
And to make the matters worse, the mom...
Whenever she was being questioned about it, it was like, the officers themselves said he had a big yard.
He could have gone to the bathroom on it.
jordan holmes
Alright, so that's like, hey, you know, I left the dog alone in the house for two weeks while I was on vacation, but I left enough food for him.
dan friesen
Yeah, you're showing yourself to not be super into what people are complaining about, mom.
But I tend to agree that it, you know...
They shouldn't have had the kids taken away, and they did get them back.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It was a fucked up situation a little bit, but it's not what Alex is talking about.
He's saying that it is like this.
They're trying to destroy the family and take away your kids.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
Trying to desensitize you to things like this.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
There's always extenuating circumstances.
There's always a reason why, you know, people, these things happen.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, I mean, anytime a right-winger tells me one of those anecdotes...
If you look into it for a second, if you just Google it, all of a sudden you start finding shit where you're like, no, this wasn't that.
You think it's this, but in reality, not.
dan friesen
Unfortunately, there are a number of people on the left who do that too, but it's usually not as obvious, or at least not as awful.
And their agenda is generally to create more...
Good things?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So it's still bad to use lies and propaganda, but it's not usually...
Like, if Alex Jones gets his way, we're living in a very dark place.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
If sort of left-wing...
jordan holmes
Do you mean now?
dan friesen
If left-wing folks...
jordan holmes
Do you mean when he got his way and Trump was elected?
dan friesen
Well, but let's say, like, if...
jordan holmes
And not just Trump.
The entire Congress is Republican and so on and so forth.
dan friesen
And still can't get shit done.
And the fucking Supreme Court.
jordan holmes
Well, they're all...
Right.
Again, our saving grace is these people, by virtue of what they believe, they are already revealing themselves to be dumb.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
So again, our saving grace is we are being run by people too dumb to enact the dumb shit they want to do.
dan friesen
They're in that upper right quadrant of the evil, stupid...
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They are both evil and stupid, but they're too stupid to enact enough evil.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
But the point I was going to say is that if you take someone like Keith Olbermann or something like that, who is kind of a left-wing propagandist, you could possibly label him as that.
If he got his way, we'd just have more social programs.
There might be better safety nets for people.
And if you built that on a lie, I'm not super thrilled with that.
I don't think that's good.
But the end result is way better than us having...
A mentally decaying bigot as our president.
jordan holmes
That is probably for the better.
dan friesen
And just totally scaling back.
I mean, every single day it's some new fucking thing.
But, anyway.
jordan holmes
God, that is the perfect summation of the world we live in right now.
dan friesen
Me clearing my throat?
jordan holmes
Every single day it's a new fucking thing.
dan friesen
It's a new thing rolled back that, oh, school lunch programs are going away.
Oh, God.
jordan holmes
Great.
unidentified
Cool.
dan friesen
Let's privatize it.
jordan holmes
Again, I swear to you, this is the ultimate frustration.
I would absolutely live with this bullshit.
If he had the most aggressive anti-climate change policy, there's so much shit that I would tolerate because then the human race would continue and we could fucking correct the course.
dan friesen
Well, the good news is there's a breakaway globalist society that will continue.
We'll just all die.
jordan holmes
That is good.
dan friesen
Who cares about the planet?
unidentified
I gotta give them a call.
dan friesen
Yeah, I know.
jordan holmes
They rejected my application.
They rejected my application.
dan friesen
Tweet at your boy.
jordan holmes
Very frustrating.
dan friesen
Tweet at your boys.
Alright, so now it's time for us to get to the phone.
jordan holmes
Soros, you know you want to become a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Policy wonk.
Policy.
Wonk.
That's our battle cry.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's a very bad battle cry.
If it ends on that kind of minor key, it's a very bad battle cry.
dan friesen
So, Jan suggested initially June 24th.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And I did listen to that episode, and it was chock-a-block with talk about how...
It's evil and wrong that people are trying to get the Confederate flag taken down from places.
jordan holmes
Fuck you if you think it's evil and wrong.
dan friesen
Their argument is it's a free speech thing.
jordan holmes
Fuck you.
dan friesen
Right.
Great.
I don't want to have that argument because I don't care.
Nope.
I don't care if someone has a Confederate flag in their car, in their house, publicly.
I don't really even care.
But if it's like a state building or something like that, I very much care.
That's bad.
jordan holmes
If you're not a horrifying racist...
dan friesen
No, I don't even...
jordan holmes
That's great!
I don't even subscribe to that.
unidentified
But generally speaking...
dan friesen
I don't even subscribe to that.
unidentified
Generally speaking, if you have a Confederate flag, you're doing it.
dan friesen
I don't even subscribe to that.
I give a wide berth to it.
I think that there are...
jordan holmes
There are legitimate free speech things that you could point to.
But that is the smokescreen argument for...
I want my racism to be left alone.
dan friesen
There's a vast majority of people who celebrate Old Dixie who are huge racists.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But that's not all of them.
jordan holmes
Vast majority.
dan friesen
But that's not all of them, and I don't think it's right to ban a flag.
I do think it's wrong to have it up in state buildings and stuff like that.
And I think, for the most part, that's the argument that people have had.
I don't think that there is a legitimate or widespread group who is saying, Let's ban the flag, period.
Let's ban the Confederate flag, period.
But that is Alex's position on it.
Alex thinks that that's what people are doing.
jordan holmes
It's the same thing with the Ten Commandments in front of the courthouse.
Nobody wants to ban you reading the Ten fucking Commandments.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
But I don't want those in front of the courthouse because that is not...
Justice.
dan friesen
That implies that it's Christian justice.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Which would be a bad daytime jug show.
jordan holmes
Super bad daytime jug.
Unless it was Christian Bale.
Yeah, goddammit!
You got there first.
dan friesen
I was going to say Christian Okoye.
Football star Christian Okoye from the Chiefs.
And other teams.
But, so, Alex extrapolates...
unidentified
I am the justice in the night.
dan friesen
Alex...
jordan holmes
And on daytime TV.
dan friesen
Tune in, 11 b.m.
So Alex on the 24th is going hog wild about this.
He is just going on like, next they're going to ban the American flag.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So that's what he says.
And Rush Limbaugh is saying the same thing.
And here's what ends up happening.
Mark Dice.
jordan holmes
One of the worst special reports ever.
dan friesen
He goes out and does one of his field pieces.
We've talked about Mark Dice before.
jordan holmes
Am I going to have to listen to Mark Dice?
dan friesen
You are.
jordan holmes
I think this is the first time I'll have heard him.
dan friesen
No, this is the second.
We've listened to one of his reports before.
He's very ineffective as a man on the street.
He, I think, has some kind of personality disorder.
Learning disability?
He's unable to make eye contact with people as he's interviewing them on the street.
He looks past them.
jordan holmes
That's weird.
dan friesen
It's upsetting.
To watch?
It's not fun.
It's not good.
But Alex Jones sent Mark Dice out.
Mark might have come up with this on his own.
I have no fucking idea.
jordan holmes
He may just be wandering around with a video camera.
dan friesen
It's possible.
So he goes out and tries to get people to sign.
jordan holmes
Video camera?
dan friesen
There's a video camera.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know, but what world am I living in?
Anyways, continue.
dan friesen
It's an iPhone.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So he goes around with a clipboard trying to get people on the beach to sign a petition trying to get a new flag.
Get rid of the old glory and get a new flag in honor of the New World Order.
And it would be a pyramid.
He's very fast.
jordan holmes
The one with Hulk Hogan?
dan friesen
No, I wish.
The two sweets?
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
No, it's not that one.
It's on the back of the dollar bill, the all-seeing eye on the pyramid.
He's very fast and loose with the details about it.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
So he goes out and does this video.
Alex posts it on InfoWars.
Drudge Report links to the video, and because of that, Alex, on Infowars, starts reporting that people are calling for the American flag to be banned.
He has made...
jordan holmes
It's a loop of bullshit.
dan friesen
It's a complete Ouroboros of lies.
It is insane to see it, like, just literally, this is exactly what's going on.
It's amazing.
They're making the news, they're commenting on the news.
jordan holmes
And then their commenting becomes news itself.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
It's the Fox News model of right-wing echo chamber.
dan friesen
There is no news at the bottom of it.
There is nothing.
There is nobody who's asking for the flag to be banned.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
There is only Mark Dice on the street.
That is all there is.
And now, we're going to listen to Mark Dice's report.
And I want to tell you, I'm going to pause it at a couple points.
Because I have taken notes about all of these people that he goes and talks to.
jordan holmes
Excellent.
dan friesen
And it doesn't look good for him.
So anyway, here we go.
alex jones
Here is that report from Mark Dush.
unidentified
We helped to support banning the American flag.
We're issuing a new American flag.
Hold on.
jordan holmes
Hold on!
Somebody, the moment he said that, somebody's like, no, fuck you.
dan friesen
Yep.
His first...
jordan holmes
His first person is already against him.
dan friesen
Two people, no.
I'm out of here.
jordan holmes
So he's already negated it.
Even Fox News would have edited that guy out.
dan friesen
Yeah, or put him in the middle somewhere or something like that.
jordan holmes
It's like, hey, we got one patriot in there.
dan friesen
And then had Mark Dice make a funny face to the camera or something like that.
If you're a pro.
jordan holmes
Some straight up bullshit.
dan friesen
So the next guy he talks to is a guy in an American flag tee.
jordan holmes
Yes.
unidentified
And an American flag hat, and he's drunk.
dan friesen
He's on the beach.
Like, he's not staggering around Alex Jones-style drunk, but he's having a good time out there on the beach, probably looking for a wife.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
He's out there.
jordan holmes
He's looking for his...
Oh, fuck.
Never mind.
dan friesen
I don't want to ruin it, but he also does not sign the petition.
unidentified
And a lot of people are offended by the American flag.
It has a history of imperialism and racism as well.
So we're having a petition to implement a new American flag.
You helped us sign the petition to issue a new American flag for a new world order.
It sounds like a great idea, but I do not like to sign things.
dan friesen
So, that's what you say when you don't want to sign something and you're like, oh, you're a creep.
jordan holmes
Dude, just fucking get out of my face.
unidentified
You're a weirdo.
jordan holmes
Get out of my face!
dan friesen
Now, at this point, someone who I think is a plant charges into the shot.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
His face is never shown.
He comes in and he aggressively signs the petition.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I don't think this is a real person.
unidentified
That's bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That guy, like, that is exactly what I said to somebody who is like, um...
Do you want to help save the dolphins?
It sounds like a great idea.
But I'm gonna leave you.
dan friesen
I gotta go.
jordan holmes
I have other non-dolphin related activities to do right now.
dan friesen
I gotta be over there.
jordan holmes
I believe it's a good idea.
I'm gonna go.
I'm gonna get out of here.
dan friesen
This isn't personal, but I gotta go.
jordan holmes
No, I gotta be not here with you right now.
dan friesen
This is not because you're weird.
Why aren't you looking at me?
Why aren't you looking at me?
Mark Dice, this isn't how humans interact!
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh my god, he scares me so much.
He has so little charisma.
Like, I've said this about people like, I don't know, the Jerome Corses of the world.
jordan holmes
The David Knights.
dan friesen
The David Knights.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I would fucking go to across the world in a balloon with David Knight before I sat down with Mark Dice.
jordan holmes
Ah, but I put a hundred black widows in that balloon, so there you go, you're stuck!
dan friesen
That's a metaphor.
So here comes the guy who just charges in.
unidentified
So you think, I mean, a lot of, you can understand, a lot of people are offended by the, uh, yeah, a lot of people, a lot of people are offended by the American flag.
It has a history of oppression and imperialism.
jordan holmes
Oh my God, you are so fucking boring.
unidentified
Birthday dare to support issuing a new American flag for the new world order.
I think it's about time we do that, wouldn't you agree?
Yeah, man.
Maybe something with, like, an all-seeing eye and a pyramid on it.
dan friesen
So as he's trying to just...
Fuck yeah, man.
As he's trying to describe what the new flag would look like, the guy just walks off.
He signs it, and he's like, yeah, I'm out of here.
Fuck yeah, man.
unidentified
Just something to represent the New World Order.
Thank you for supporting that.
Part of the New World Order is to basically ban the old American flag, and we're going to put up a new...
dan friesen
This guy, I don't know if he speaks English.
Because he doesn't say anything.
He doesn't seem to register awareness of the things that Mark Dice is saying.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He's wearing, like, a muscle tee, and he just sort of, like, is just sort of looking at him confused, signs the thing, and then without saying a word, walks away from him.
jordan holmes
Just walks away.
Now, I will admit, I also like the reaction of the guy who signs it and then just says, fuck yeah, and then walks away.
dan friesen
I don't hate it.
I think he's fake.
jordan holmes
Because that's pretty funny, too.
Like, I might do that, just be like, hey, whatever, man, fuck yeah, I'll sign this shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, I might do that if I were drunk.
Anyway, so he's just talking to this guy who doesn't say a word back to him, and then Alex goes on a fucking, just tees off on this guy with a muscle shirt.
unidentified
New American flag over the Capitol to signify the new world order, but we just needed some more signatures.
Thanks for supporting the new American flag.
We're pulling down the Confederate flag.
alex jones
Back up to that last guy.
That fella is the quintessential modern tough guy trendy.
There's different types of trendies.
Hundreds of different variants, but just knows how to act tough.
And that's what our nation is.
It's just a bunch of guys walking around acting tough, and they don't want to know what's going on.
They just want to look cool to other people and put on a front.
But if you look at these guys' eyes every time, they just have this weak look at them.
It's so pathetic.
dan friesen
Do you think this guy is white or not?
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with new.
dan friesen
Bingo.
alex jones
And he signs it to ban the American flag.
Seven out of ten did.
Here it is.
unidentified
...orders to basically ban the old American flag, and we're going to put up a new American flag over the Capitol to signify the new world order, but we just needed some more signatures.
Thanks for supporting the new American flag.
We're pulling down the Confederate flag in a lot of cities to end the era of racism, and...
dan friesen
Who cares?
Fuck this.
This is so boring.
jordan holmes
We're going to put up a ton of American flags.
dan friesen
Let me walk you through.
jordan holmes
Do you want to ban the American flag?
I like the American flag.
dan friesen
Mark, shut up.
jordan holmes
Flags are fun.
dan friesen
Let me walk you through who the rest of the people are.
So the next person he talks to is a really nice girl who I think she's just super excitable and happy.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And she's like, oh, that's interesting.
Doesn't seem to have a feeling about it either way.
Next person he talks to is a lady, and he's like, hey, we're gonna try and get a new flag.
And she's like, nah, I like the stars and bars.
And walks away from him.
Two guys walk up.
One of them is a chubby dude in a tie-dye t-shirt.
Because I think he's high as hell.
It's him and another guy.
They're two skateboard dudes in a tie-dyed shirt and the other guy's in a muscle shirt.
Because they're on a beach!
jordan holmes
Because they're on the fucking beach!
Why would you go to the beach for this shit?
dan friesen
Because you know that dumb people are there.
People who don't want to answer your questions and you can twist it into being...
jordan holmes
Yeah, but just go to a mall.
dan friesen
He might not be allowed in.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
Only open air areas.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Mark Dice Clay is not allowed in.
He's got a weird restraining order.
Only open areas 20 feet outside of any public place.
dan friesen
So there's these two dudes who may or may not be high, and they both sign it, but they're also like, whatever, we don't care.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then the last group that they talk to before he cuts it off is two dudes who are straight up...
Baked out of their mind.
They got sunglasses on, and one of them is just staring at Mark Dice with his mouth slightly open.
One of them doesn't have a shirt on, but has a backpack.
Great.
jordan holmes
Love that guy.
dan friesen
What are you doing, Mark Dice?
I don't know what point you're making, but if it is that people want the American flag band...
jordan holmes
It seems like he made the exact opposite point.
Haven't most of the people we've heard have just been like, fuck off?
dan friesen
There's one first guy who was actually a group of two said, absolutely not.
The second guy said, no.
There's the lady who walked away.
jordan holmes
There's the random dude who ran up and was like, fuck yeah!
dan friesen
Everybody who did sign it, except for that guy who I do think was fake.
I think he was a plant.
Everybody else was ambivalent about it.
They don't care.
jordan holmes
You're a random dude asking questions on a beach.
Don't be a dick right now.
That's all I heard in that clip is, and it's not even like the shitty Leno man on the street bit where he gets people to actually talk to him and answer questions and have that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's just a bullshit, like, dude, leave me alone.
dan friesen
He thinks it's a prank.
It's not a prank.
There is nothing here.
Because if you sign that, then so what?
If you ambivalently, politely sign that for him, that doesn't prove that you want the American flag ban.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
That just proves that you're a decent person who doesn't know how to have boundaries.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Or just, like, the easiest way to get him to go away is to sign his petition.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
You know that nothing is gonna come from it because that's such a wildly stupid idea.
dan friesen
I've signed hundreds of things I don't agree with.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it doesn't matter.
There's no possibility of that.
Like, even if you hate America, which is most of the GOP, you're not going to sign.
You're not going to actually want the American flag to go away.
Like, it's made by a woman.
Yeah.
It's everything that America wishes it could be.
It is all of the states represented.
It is all of us together.
It is built around that idea of either we hang together or we hang separately.
dan friesen
Now you're using Alex Jones quotes.
jordan holmes
But that is...
No, that's not...
Okay.
dan friesen
He came up with that.
jordan holmes
I'm done.
I'm done.
I'm out.
Actually...
Will Shakespeare.
dan friesen
We're coming towards the end of it, but for the last about hour and a half of the show, he has an interview with this guy named Lionel.
One name, like Madonna.
Lionel.
And this guy is wacky.
He is a fast-talking New York dude.
He is something else.
I've seen him on the show before, and I strongly disagree with him about almost everything.
But I don't hate hearing him talk.
He's one of those guests.
I wouldn't be in a hot air balloon across the world with him, but I'd take a short trip with him.
jordan holmes
We're not talking about cross-country road trip, but if you picked him up and he was like, hey, I'm 20 miles down the road, you're like, fuck yeah, let's see what's up.
dan friesen
Depends on what the speed limit is, but yes, possibly.
jordan holmes
Okay.
We're talking to the American Southwest where you can get 20 miles in 15 minutes.
dan friesen
I'm in.
So they have a really long interview where they just talk globalists.
And I cut out so much that's just so repetitive.
But at one point, Lionel starts describing what his plan would be if he was going to destroy our country.
And it's kind of interesting.
jordan holmes
I'm on board.
I'm already on board.
dan friesen
Because two years later, see if you see any similarities to what's going on.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
Now, if I were going to destroy this country, here's what I would do.
First and foremost, I would distract with bread and circuses the people more than ever.
lionel
Number two, I would have as a foundation for much of the economy this tissue-thin veneer, this latticework of cotton candy, of air.
unidentified
Call the derivative.
You say one and a half, maybe two.
It could be four or five quadrillion dollars of nothing.
Sold.
lionel
Then, I would throw in the myth, Alex, of American exceptionalism.
unidentified
I would always have the fly.
That is exactly the jingle-wister bullshit!
jordan holmes
He's nailed it!
unidentified
He's nailed it!
This is exactly how you've destroyed the country!
dan friesen
Accidentally.
jordan holmes
Is this guy the architect behind this whole thing?
dan friesen
I can't believe it.
40 episodes in, spit take.
jordan holmes
I genuinely spit take.
dan friesen
Who's our spit take wine?
jordan holmes
I don't know, but that is, he just pulled the perfect, like that's Trump's rally.
dan friesen
Trump rallies, derivatives, American exceptionalism.
unidentified
We're there.
We're there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's exactly what we're, goddammit, this man might be a genius.
dan friesen
But he's saying it as this is what the globalists are doing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Not what, um.
jordan holmes
Well, unless Trump.
Who has recently come out as an internationalist and a globalist.
dan friesen
Well, Alex, you said, well, I didn't really mean it.
jordan holmes
Fuck off, Alex.
dan friesen
He's a battered spouse.
jordan holmes
That's it?
That's what he did?
dan friesen
Not really.
jordan holmes
No, look, he's a good guy once you get to know him.
He's just saying that because he has to, and it's not that big a deal.
dan friesen
So Lionel has a little more.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
News and weird.
We are impenetrable.
We are never going to be Puerto Rico or Greece.
Or Iceland, or Portugal, or the EU.
We're the United States.
We are immunized.
We have a vaccine against this.
dan friesen
Strange language for a vaccine denier show, but...
That is exactly what Trump is doing with, like, we're going to renegotiate these deals because we're going to be immune from all this.
He's promising us this exceptionalism.
jordan holmes
No, that is a perfect summation.
Like, if I were going to destroy the country, I would hire Lionel to be my campaign supervisor because that guy is fucking on it.
dan friesen
Yeah, so there's another phase to this destruction.
I know you love phases.
jordan holmes
I'm a big fan of phases.
I was very disappointed by our previous phase situation where we had one phase that was split up into three phases.
dan friesen
I'm not certain this is a discrete phase either, but we'll see.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
And then we're going to confuse people.
We're going to cause the American people to be always upset over something and fool them and dupe them into thinking that they're involved.
We're going to let them think that there's some Confederate war.
Flag or battle flag controversy.
What?
dan friesen
You're on it, Lionel!
He's on it!
What Alex says about the globalists in terms of externalizing their plans, that's literally what they're doing.
That's just what he did!
unidentified
That's perfect!
dan friesen
We've already illustrated here this idea that they took...
jordan holmes
We need to track down Lionel.
dan friesen
We took...
No way.
jordan holmes
We need to find Lionel.
dan friesen
For a cross-country trip.
jordan holmes
I want to know where he's at.
dan friesen
He wouldn't talk to us.
jordan holmes
That's the dude.
That's the dude.
dan friesen
So, I mean, we've already shown this fake story about banning the American flag, going from an InfoWars video to an article on InfoWars to a link on Drudge to something that is reported on the Alex Jones show.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
That is creating fake outrage to confuse these dumb people.
Now, here's the bullshit part of it.
jordan holmes
And there's always something to be outraged about.
dan friesen
Here's why Lionel's an asshole.
Because what he's talking about is people who are legitimately offended by...
In this case, the Confederate flag.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Which is denying people their feelings about the history of brutal racism.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So, that part is what he's really talking about when he said something, give people something to be mad about.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It is a complete...
Perfect demonstration.
I wanted to bring this up earlier.
I can't remember which clip it was in.
jordan holmes
But again, he's not wrong.
The American flag has the exact same history of brutal racism.
And even when we won the fucking war, it's not like racism stopped.
dan friesen
You're not wrong, but you're off on the wrong tangent.
You're off the wrong direction, I think.
jordan holmes
What I'm saying is we need to ban the American flag, and I would sign your petition to that.
dan friesen
It's not about that.
Because that's not all that he's talking about.
He's talking about all of these identity politics kinds of things.
All of these ideas about trendies and men in dresses with mustaches.
All of this stuff is parceled within that and it is a perfect expression of this angry male privilege, white male privilege that Alex expresses.
Everything that is like...
Black Lives Matter.
It's like, why are you guys getting bogged down in this when we have globalists to deal with?
It's this idea that any time that you're pissed off about these things, it's divide and conquer strategies.
So if you care about the Confederate flag, or if you care about, because he even says, I don't remember which episode it was in, it might have been in one of the other ones I listened to and we're not covering, but he's talking about like, yeah, sure, cops shoot a black guy every week.
I see articles about them shooting white guys too.
jordan holmes
You're not understanding.
unidentified
Also, that's also bad.
I'm against cops shooting white guys too.
jordan holmes
You can be against both.
The point of the fact that cops are shooting black people is that that is...
Endemic.
That is something that has such a long history, and it is something that is so targeted and aggressive that it is paramount to me.
dan friesen
And I think that it definitely says more about your priorities when you're mad at people who are complaining about cops shooting black people because they aren't also mentioning the white people.
jordan holmes
Hey, what if we had a Father's Day, huh?
unidentified
Your Mother's Day, you know, it's always about celebrating women.
jordan holmes
Like, what if we had a white history month, huh?
What if we had a white history month?
Everybody be outraged, but nobody talks about that.
dan friesen
Nobody talks about that.
Yeah, it's missing the mark.
And as they frame it as...
Society is confused.
Society is being tricked by this divide and conquer game.
That's the way they can elevate themselves in the same way that Alex inoculates himself from that dog metaphor by saying, I'm not racist.
By being like, look, it's the globalists trying to divide and conquer.
You don't see it.
You're confused and dumb.
I'm not against your point.
I just think that it's so inconsequential compared to the issues that I...
A very smart white man have figured out.
jordan holmes
You're whitesplaining.
dan friesen
Right.
It's very stupid.
It's a bummer.
jordan holmes
It's so depressing.
Because it seems like...
And it's one of those things that comes up over and over and over again.
The idea that they're doing what we're doing.
So we can do it.
Like, this is just...
They're doing it, so we have to fight them.
Which justifies us doing it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And it's always the playbook.
Like, oh, they're playing the victim whenever they say that religious freedom is, you know, it's a terrible thing.
It's exactly what your...
Fuck you!
Like, I just want to...
dan friesen
That's why we're so great, is because we don't play that game.
jordan holmes
I can't respond without screaming at these people.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Because it's so frustratingly...
It's so...
dan friesen
It's very obvious, unless you have an agenda.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And when you have an agenda, it's obvious to you, but the reason you have that agenda is so you never really have to look at it.
So we have two more clips.
One is Lionel also being an asshole again.
And this gets into the world being run by bankers, which is conspicuously...
jordan holmes
Not wrong.
lionel
I'm never going to ever let people understand that what and who runs the world are a very small group of central banks and very, very, at the top of the pyramid, these elite banksters and elite...
alex jones
All there is is megabanks, big energy, and weapons.
jordan holmes
This is Jews.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
You guys are being Jews.
Uh-huh.
That's anti-Semitism.
But it's not...
dan friesen
When you say that banks are powerful, yes, they are, but they don't...
jordan holmes
It's not wrong.
Like, they own...
Like, 62 people own more than the bottom half of the entire world.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Like, the bankers buy our politicians.
Like, they're purely bought.
dan friesen
But the 62 people that own all of the wealth aren't all...
jordan holmes
No, they're not all getting together around a giant desk.
dan friesen
Some of them are like Mark Zuckerberg.
Some of them are people like that, or like Mark Cuban.
He has billions of dollars.
jordan holmes
Fucking Mark Cuban.
dan friesen
Right, but they're not central bankers.
unidentified
I hate the Mavericks.
dan friesen
You understand?
That argument falls flat.
jordan holmes
I agree with you in that bankers here is code for anti-Semitism.
dan friesen
100%.
jordan holmes
There's no doubt about that.
dan friesen
Especially banksters.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is purely do we not bleed, like Will Shakespeare.
It's that whole thing.
But at the same time, there is, again, this is an area where the kernel of truth is important.
travis view
Because, again, bankers are fucking everybody over.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That is a thing.
And they are colluding together.
dan friesen
I still will not side with Alex and his cohorts.
Because I know what they're saying.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
They're not saying the same things that you or I or someone...
jordan holmes
Even though they're using the same words.
That's the problem I have.
dan friesen
Right, right.
It's dog-whistly.
It can't be taken outside of the context of all of these other things that they do.
All of these other...
It's insane.
I understand that I keep bringing up...
jordan holmes
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
dan friesen
And I intended to get way more into it in this episode than we have, but we just haven't.
unidentified
We will.
dan friesen
But, like, literally multiple things that he says directly mirror parts from that very debunked anti-Semitic book.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
It is clear that most of his philosophy comes from that.
jordan holmes
And he also doesn't understand that it's anti-Semitism.
I think that is something that...
I think that is something where we waffle on.
dan friesen
It's most likely.
jordan holmes
Because I don't think, I genuinely think he's more of an out-and-out white nationalist as opposed to an out-and-out anti-Semite.
dan friesen
I agree.
But the point I'm trying to make is that within that landscape, when you say something like the world is run by a small group of elite banksters, you can't say that.
And have Alex resoundingly agree with you without it being taken as part of that cosmology, part of that world and philosophy that he's built.
And anybody who listens to his show, whether they're consciously aware of where that philosophy comes from or not, they know that philosophy.
So when they hear stuff like this, where there is a kernel of truth, it helps them buy further into...
The part that's not true.
jordan holmes
Agreed.
dan friesen
The part that is this evil, racist bullshit.
jordan holmes
So that's bad.
Here's my kind of question, though.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Do you think we could ever co-opt that?
dan friesen
The protocols?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
So their anti-Semitism is still...
Targeted towards, though, that idea of the bankers who run the world.
dan friesen
Well, yeah.
jordan holmes
Now.
dan friesen
That's a big part of it.
jordan holmes
It is a big part of it.
dan friesen
There's more.
jordan holmes
Now, there's absolutely more.
dan friesen
The whole fake media thing is a big part of it, too.
jordan holmes
But if we could just deep-earth crystallize that into that idea, I think if we really did it smart...
dan friesen
I don't like where you're going.
jordan holmes
Then...
We could, on one particular situation...
Utilize them as a kind of enemy of my enemy is my friend situation.
dan friesen
No, I think that would be like...
jordan holmes
Could we unite with the conservative idiots?
dan friesen
No, that would be like funding Alcada, man.
It's just, it wouldn't work.
jordan holmes
That's not wrong.
dan friesen
It just wouldn't work.
jordan holmes
I know.
That problem with the poor alliance.
dan friesen
I could never align with Alex for any common cause that we have.
We would always be in disagreement.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but you know, there's...
dan friesen
We fundamentally disagree.
jordan holmes
I agree with you, but there is also that part of me that says we don't...
Make peace with our friends, we make peace with our enemies.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And this is one situation where...
God, because the conservative anger is towards...
Like, the Tea Party came out of the bailouts.
dan friesen
And Barack Obama being black.
jordan holmes
Right.
Well, yeah.
But...
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
But their...
Again, their cover for it was, we're mad about the bailout, we're not mad about Obama.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Now, of course, they were mad about a black president, but I just have this hope!
dan friesen
You know why there's not?
It's the exact same thing.
That agreement about the bailouts, that agreement that we might have, can't actually be an agreement.
Because the reason that you have it is different than the reason that they have it.
The reasoning and what got you to the point that you're at, Doesn't exist in the same cosmology as how they got to where they're at.
And because of that, even if you seem to, on the surface, agree about an issue, you don't agree about that issue.
You absolutely don't.
Even if it is, I'm against the war in Iraq, you're against the war in Iraq.
Taking it back a few years.
Our reasons for it might be different.
And if my reason is...
I'm against this war.
It's based on false pretenses.
We have no reason to be there, blah, blah, blah.
And someone else's reason is, I'm against the war in Iraq because Saddam Hussein is really a lizard person who's under the sway of Jewish forces and he's a patsy for blah, blah, blah.
We don't really agree.
Now, granted, we both don't want tons of people to die, and that's good, but we can't really...
jordan holmes
I think your analogy of us propping up Al-Qaeda is probably the best one.
Because the question there would be, could we do it, though?
Like, we don't agree on why.
But, say we actually can agree that we need to break up the banks.
dan friesen
Sure.
I'd sooner side with Bernie on that than Alec Jones.
unidentified
Of course.
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
That's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying that I'm on the Bernie wing.
I don't know if you guys have ever listened to me talk, but my progressive politics borders on the IRA more than anything else.
unidentified
You're past Bernie.
jordan holmes
I'm way past Bernie.
dan friesen
Bernie's trying to catch up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
But, like, it is that Al-Qaeda where I would love to be able to use that anger towards the banks, even though the deep-seated heart of it is anti-Semitism.
Yeah.
unidentified
Could I use that anger and co-opt it to actually break up?
dan friesen
My answer is no.
It wouldn't work.
You'd end up destroying yourself in the process.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're...
dan friesen
And then all of your principles go away in the same way that...
jordan holmes
You're probably not wrong.
Yeah.
unidentified
You're probably not wrong, and it bums me out, but God, there is that part of me that still...
jordan holmes
That still thinks strategically that could actually cause that change.
dan friesen
I say sleep on it, and you'll realize in the morning it's impossible.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
But, so we have one more clip.
And in this one, Lionel gives us a very nice visual, and that is Alex Jones being dead at some point in the future.
But he does it, unfortunately, in the context of really just kissing Alex's ass real hard.
And I actually think that this is a really dangerous line of thinking.
But, I don't know.
jordan holmes
Away we go.
lionel
I'm going to then, as everybody is being distracted by the three-card Monty of the economic downturn, while we're looking this way, I'm going to little by little take everything from this country.
And then one day, before you know it, it's going to be, it'll start maybe with a rumbling, it'll start and we'll start to see the initial threads, the initial tremors of a financial collapse.
unidentified
And the very people who run the world are...
So thrilled because they crave and they thrive on disorder and disaster.
lionel
That's why when there's racial disharmony, when there's crime, when there's people in the streets, when we turn to the government in the Hegelian dialectic, this classic, wonderful production, and we say more control, more power, more authority.
unidentified
Then one day, it's over.
And your tombstone, your words, your final valedict reality, sad to say, will be, I told you so.
You thought I was just somebody who was a conspiracy theorist.
It's going to be too late.
You thought I was doing this just for some kind of an act.
You didn't realize that what I was saying and what the world was saying was there the whole time.
And you didn't listen to me.
And I told you.
lionel
And I tried to make it as simple as possible.
unidentified
And I brought in guests to try to explain it in different ways.
A Max Keiser, a Salente, a Paul Craig Roberts, a Wilson Watson.
And you tried so hard.
dan friesen
Yeah, he tried so hard.
No.
He didn't really.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
I was so close.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
I was so close.
dan friesen
I mean, look, I hate that mentality of like...
One year dead, everyone will realize the shit has gone down and we should have listened to you.
That premature profit status kind of shit is really fucking dangerous because you're depending on an outcome and a status quo that doesn't exist and probably never will exist in order to justify whatever you're saying in the present.
I mean, it's a classic logical fallacy and it's just reinforcing Alex's need to sell iodine and shit.
And it helps him.
And actually, immediately after that clip, Alex is like, wow, Lionel, this is the best interview we've ever had.
Like, of course, he just kissed your ass.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like, of course.
So, let's look at this.
We took a time-traveling trip here back to 2015.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The things that were mostly talked about were globalists going to destroy us.
They haven't yet.
Lionel accidentally spills Trump's game plan.
And he's a little prophetic.
He's a little prophetic accidentally.
jordan holmes
He did not realize that was going to be his belief system that was going to bring that about.
dan friesen
But then the other three major things that were discussed were the American flag being banned, which is fake news.
And also, it hasn't happened.
Two years later, it hasn't happened.
jordan holmes
And even their outside Mark Dice interview was basically, it's not going to happen.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Greece's economy is doing better.
They're not all the way back, but they're in recovery.
jordan holmes
They're still getting fucked in the face.
dan friesen
But they're in recovery.
They're good signs, and the economy has been improving.
Yes.
jordan holmes
Tentatively.
dan friesen
Right, but you understand that this whole argument that they're making of it's part of a pre-planned downslide.
Blah, blah, blah.
It's a...
Oh, well, absolutely, but I never...
jordan holmes
It's a demolition.
dan friesen
I'm just trying to say that everything that they talked about in this is bunk.
Everything is bogus.
The kernels of truth are there in terms of, like, yeah, these, you know, banks are shitty.
That sort of stuff, yes, absolutely.
But all of the other stuff is absolutely not true.
These planned collapse of Greece has not happened, and it's on the upswing.
It's back.
It's coming back.
It'll take a while, but it's coming back.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
And if they would get the IMF to quit enforcing the austerity measures, maybe it would come back a little bit faster.
dan friesen
Possibly.
Beyond that, there was that family who had their kid taken away from playing basketball, they got their kid back.
jordan holmes
Maybe they were, and also maybe they weren't being neglectful, but maybe that also wasn't necessarily a nosy neighbor.
dan friesen
No, it was a nosy neighbor.
jordan holmes
No, that's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah, yeah.
It wasn't a globalist.
jordan holmes
It wasn't a situation where somebody saw a dog in a hot car and broke it out.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because that was a recipe for the dog dying.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
It was a situation where there was a crack in the window and you're like, maybe that's not a big enough crack.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That kind of thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, possibly.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, then again, mind your business.
jordan holmes
That was a great metaphor.
dan friesen
Yeah, it was good.
jordan holmes
It was like a hundred black windows.
Be thrown into a hot dog car.
dan friesen
So, if you have a hot dog car and someone throws Black Widows into it...
Greece will implode.
jordan holmes
That's a true fact.
dan friesen
I think we've already proved that one.
It's unfortunate.
He didn't talk at all throughout the episode about gay marriage.
jordan holmes
Which was the main event.
dan friesen
Legalized by the Supreme Court nationwide.
jordan holmes
I think the one thing that I take away from this time travel episode is before he hitched himself to the Trump train.
He didn't have to do as much mental gymnastics and he didn't have to make up as much.
dan friesen
I think that's true.
jordan holmes
So while he, like, before that...
Without supporting anybody.
Because he's not coming out and supporting a person saying dumbass shit.
dan friesen
He's just anti-globalist.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
He's just in a nebulous place where he can pick and choose whatever facts he wants to spiral out of.
dan friesen
Yeah, and he's attacking a group that doesn't really exist.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
So he can make up whatever he wants and no one can ever prove him wrong.
jordan holmes
Right.
But now with his Trump fixation and connection...
He doesn't have a choice but to make things up whole cloth because Trump, frankly, disagrees with him on everything.
dan friesen
Well, I would say this.
Here's how I would describe it.
And I think that this might bear true throughout our future time travel episodes, which if you donate $10 or more a month, we'll do a date for you.
jordan holmes
Perfect.
That was a perfect transition, my friend.
dan friesen
But what I will say is I think that before...
He hitched his wagon to Trump.
There were bad days when he is like he is now.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's probably true.
dan friesen
There were bad days when he would freak out and he would just be yelling about shit.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But now, there are no more good days.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
He is all bad days now.
And it is just...
We're spoiled by current Alex, quite frankly.
Because this is mostly low register Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
This isn't like...
jordan holmes
It's still wackadoo.
dan friesen
It's crazy, but it's like Al Pacino.
You want him screaming.
You don't want him just being crazy.
You don't want that version.
And that's kind of what a lot of this day was.
jordan holmes
You don't want good actor Al Pacino.
You don't want heat Al Pacino.
You want scent of a woman Al Pacino.
dan friesen
Devil's advocate Al Pacino.
unidentified
Oh, fuck yes, devil's advocate Al Pacino.
dan friesen
So anyway, thank you, Jan, for donating.
We really appreciate it.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Jan.
I'm going to do something crazy.
I've never done this before.
I am going to plug a show.
Now, the fact...
dan friesen
I almost coughed.
unidentified
You spit it.
jordan holmes
I did cough.
Now...
This fact that I've never done this before may be why I am not a very successful comedian.
dan friesen
Hopefully this will be so uncomfortable you'll never do it again.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's brutal.
No, the only reason I'm plugging it is...
dan friesen
The globalists are going to come find you at this show.
You know that.
jordan holmes
That's probably true.
dan friesen
They're going to take you out.
jordan holmes
It's about time.
Yeah.
No, the only reason I'm plugging it, it's at the Whip Theater.
It's whiptheater.com.
It's this Saturday.
Or Saturday, May.
This is why I'm bad at this.
dan friesen
Terrible.
jordan holmes
Oh, brutal.
Yeah.
unidentified
Fuck it.
jordan holmes
I don't care what day it is.
I don't care what fucking day it is.
Maybe it's the 6th.
Maybe it's the 7th.
Not important.
dan friesen
Holy shit.
jordan holmes
It's Saturday.
What day is today?
Today's Tuesday.
The 2nd.
So it's the 7th.
It's at the Whip Theater.
It's 10 o 'clock.
The only reason I'm plugging it is because Timmy Witzel...
Owns, runs, and does everything for this theater.
dan friesen
Cool dude.
jordan holmes
And I just want him to be as successful as possible.
I will be there.
dan friesen
One of my old podcasting co-hosts.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
I will be doing actual stand-up.
And I'll talk for a while.
So if you want to find out what I'm like when I'm not screaming into a microphone and instead screaming into a different microphone.
dan friesen
See if you can give me a guess so I can talk about globalism.
jordan holmes
Yeah, actually, yeah.
If you want to come out and meet...
dan friesen
Wait, I can't, actually, because I will be...
jordan holmes
You're going to be doing that...
dan friesen
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
Well, then, yeah, if you can come out, we'll do that.
And then you can meet the both of us.
dan friesen
We'll see.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But who gives a shit?
jordan holmes
Actually, you know what's going to wind up happening?
We're going to edit this entire plug out because it has taken eight and a half hours.
dan friesen
I won't.
You can catch us at knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
You can.
We're at knowledge underscore fight on Twitter.
dan friesen
That's correct.
And you can find us on iTunes.
You can find us everywhere.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
Nope.
You can email us if you like at knowledgefight at gmail dot com.
jordan holmes
And if you'd like to become a policy wonk.
dan friesen
You can.
jordan holmes
Donate if you'd like to do a time travel episode.
dan friesen
You can do that.
We might have some shirts coming in the future.
Big shout out to our friend Chris.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Designing some awesome designs.
Also, there's a...
I got so many plans.
jordan holmes
That's it?
That's your...
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Hey!
Guys.
dan friesen
That's my plug.
jordan holmes
I got so many plans.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And then I stare off out the window behind you.
jordan holmes
You stared into the middle distance for some reason.
dan friesen
Like I'm fucking Mark Dice.
What am I doing?
Oh my god.
jordan holmes
Anyways, guys, let me ask you a question.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
If the people who donate are policy wonks, does that make us?
Like, what would that make us?
dan friesen
We're also policy wonks.
jordan holmes
Are we a couple of policy wonks?
dan friesen
We are.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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