Today, Dan tells Jordan all about the April 14th episode of The Alex Jones Show. That day, Alex was joined on air by two of the largest non-Alex Jones voices in the world of right wing propaganda, Mike Cernovich and Gavin (Nigel?) McGuinness. Topics covered include: How proud are the boys? How many inaccurate population stats can Alex rattle off in 30 seconds? Seriously, how proud are the boys? How would the alt-right deconstruct Saved By The Bell?
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We are a couple dudes who like to sit around and drink red wine and have conversations about the evils. | ||
| And the plague that has come upon our land, the plague that is the popularization of Alex Jones. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That was... | ||
| Boy, that was really defeatist. | ||
| That tone of voice was terrible. | ||
| I'm in a grim place, and we will come to realize why throughout the course of this episode. | ||
| Is it the oncoming inevitable nuclear war? | ||
| No. | ||
| Listen, there's problems there, certainly. | ||
| The death of the coral reef? | ||
| That's really problematic and terrifying. | ||
| What is it, one-third of it is bleached now? | ||
| Oh, two-thirds. | ||
| Two-thirds. | ||
| It's in its final death row is the Great Barrier Reef. | ||
| Two-thirds! | ||
| What else? | ||
| The inevitability of climate change causing an infinite amount of refugees, increasing nationalistic fervor, and putting us towards World War III? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| That's not why. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Like I said, it's reasons that'll become clear. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, it's because of the trend that we're going to be looking at in this episode of the show. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Generally, what we do is we take a look at One Day in the Life of Alex Jones. | ||
| Plot twist. | ||
| What's the plot twist? | ||
| I watch Alex Jones and his show every day. | ||
| And you? | ||
| I do not. | ||
| I do not at all. | ||
| I protect myself from those particular evils and engorge myself with others. | ||
| You use a brain condom, which is smart. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I'm in there raw. | ||
| Oh, God! | ||
| I'm in the Infowar raw. | ||
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All right. | |
| Wow. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Today we're going to be discussing... | ||
| I mean, that's very Alex Jones-y. | ||
| We're going to be discussing... | ||
| He's got a fourth kid, and we didn't know about that. | ||
| No, it was a secret. | ||
| April 14th, we're going to be discussing something that goes on on that show, but as is our tradition, here is an out-of-context drop of Alex Jones from that show. | ||
| Why everybody listens to me, I don't know. | ||
| Half the time I can't listen to myself, and I don't say that as self-deprecating. | ||
| I mean, I mean it. | ||
| We don't either. | ||
| We have no idea. | ||
| So many questions. | ||
| There's so many questions within the why do people listen to me. | ||
| Why do people listen to me? | ||
| My show's unlistenable. | ||
| Yeah, I can't listen to it half the time. | ||
| What kind of idiot would listen to this show? | ||
| This episode actually has like maybe six candidates for out of context drop. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| But I've just weaved them in sort of along the way. | ||
| Oh nice! | ||
| Like a tapestry of idiocy. | ||
| And they kind of fit into the situation. | ||
| On Friday, April 14th. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I'm noticing a trend, and that is that most of the week is boring as shit, and then Alex goes balls out at the end of the week. | ||
| Like, Thursday and Friday are generally like, let's fucking actually get to work. | ||
| Monday through Sunday is where he says things that he shouldn't say. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He did that Pizzagate apology on Sunday. | ||
| You know, he's... | ||
| He's gone. | ||
| That's where he buries stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was on Sunday, because he knows most people aren't listening. | ||
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Yeah, right. | |
| Monday through Wednesday are just kind of like, let's introduce the narrative and hit the greatest hits. | ||
| He hates Mondays. | ||
| He eats lasagna. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| We got it. | ||
| And Rob Du is normal. | ||
| Rob Du. | ||
| Send him to Abu Dhabi. | ||
| Get a special report. | ||
| Roger Stone is definitely Odie. | ||
| Odie is kicking Roger Stone off the table? | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| I disagree with that premise. | ||
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Oh, no, no. | |
| Because what kind of shenanigans is Odie going to get into this week? | ||
| I don't know, getting a Nixon tattoo on his back? | ||
| See, there we go. | ||
| That'd be a great... | ||
| Odie! | ||
| That'd be a great comic strip. | ||
| Kick him off the show. | ||
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Jim Davis, get it together. | |
| So, this week, it was pretty boring throughout most of the week. | ||
| And then... | ||
| Yeah, I can't think of any important news that was happening during this week. | ||
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No. | |
| I can't think of any exciting, insane news that occurred multiple times this week. | ||
| No, I mean, I guess we talked about the April 11th show from Tuesday. | ||
| So that was kind of interesting this week, but that was just because Alex was having a little bit of a breakdown. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| And that's fascinating, because that will happen sometimes. | ||
| He was a little bit of a breakdown? | ||
| Quite a breakdown. | ||
| He seemed to have a psychotic break. | ||
| Yeah, a little bit. | ||
| But throughout the rest of the week, it is just this boring stuff. | ||
| It's like, Syria's a lie. | ||
| Right, false flag. | ||
| Trump was awesome for dropping the Moab bomb. | ||
| Yeah, we're all gonna die. | ||
| On Afghanistan that killed like 30 people, 30 ISIS people, and then a whole bunch of others? | ||
| Yeah, you know. | ||
| Tons of people. | ||
| Well, apparently from a mile out, it explodes your eardrums. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| Don't get close to the mother of all bombs. | ||
| That'd be good advice. | ||
| That's my advice to most people. | ||
| Not everybody. | ||
| Trump. | ||
| So, on Friday. | ||
| Jump on a Moab. | ||
| Jump Trump. | ||
| Jump right on there. | ||
| Write it down like Slim Pickens. | ||
| How come fucking Alex Jones hasn't done a cover of might as well Trump? | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| No. | ||
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No. | |
| How is that not happening? | ||
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He came back. | |
| What have we become? | ||
| On Friday, he came back from break doing karaoke four times. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Four times. | ||
| Did you get any clips? | ||
| No, because I was at work. | ||
| I'm not recording it live. | ||
| Damn it! | ||
| It was amazing. | ||
| He's all like some country shit, too, which means he's in a weird place. | ||
| And they cut him again. | ||
| Yeah, cut him all. | ||
| Those fuckers. | ||
| Yeah, these assholes. | ||
| They're watching us. | ||
| So, on Friday, at the end of his show, he had a lot of guests. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And it was sort of his way of deflecting a little bit from him having to carry too much of the weight. | ||
| For most of the show, he had Mike Cernovich on. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Who is Mike Cernovich? | ||
| Mike Cernovich? | ||
| That is a great question. | ||
| He's a crazy person. | ||
| Okay, alright. | ||
| That's the long and short of it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He's been an active proponent of the Pizzagate stuff. | ||
| He's been a fringe weirdo. | ||
| He does a lot of periscopes. | ||
| He's really into the TV show Fringe. | ||
| He is a journalist. | ||
| He loved the movie Down Periscope. | ||
| I'm putting journalist in heavy air quotes. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| There's a lot of people who suspect that he is the person that the Bannon contingent in the White House is leaking information to. | ||
| Because he seems to be suspiciously... | ||
| Is he the one where Trump was like, he should get a Pulitzer Prize? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Was he that dude? | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| So that's all I need to know. | ||
| He broke the Susan Rice story, which was not a story. | ||
| Yeah, if Trump says you deserve a Pulitzer Prize, you are a dead man to me. | ||
| Yes, so Alex has Mike Cernovich on for a good while, and they talk a bunch of bullshit. | ||
| That's not super interesting, but Cernovich sticks around. | ||
| Their favorite Saved by the Bell episodes? | ||
| Oh my god, it's probably the one where they get... | ||
| You think so? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That was a good episode. | ||
| I can't remember most of the episodes. | ||
| I thought it was the one where Kelly had sex with a guy who was like 35. That's all of them. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| That's all the episodes. | ||
| While Zach watches and does a fourth wall break. | ||
| Zach is a cuck. | ||
| He's a cuck. | ||
| Slater's a real man. | ||
| Yep, that's true. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| I would love an in-depth analysis of Saved by the Bell by the alt-right. | ||
| That would be amazing. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Kelly would be a great housewife, is all I'm saying. | ||
| Alt-right at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Listen to me. | ||
| Jessie, she's too uppity. | ||
| She's out there talking about feminism. | ||
| You know what she really needs is a good slap. | ||
| Oh, you took that too real. | ||
| You took that too real. | ||
| I did, as foreshadowing. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Oh, nope, nope. | ||
| So, Mike Cernovich is on for quite a while. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And in the third hour, they bring in Gavin or Nigel McGuinness. | ||
| Unclear on which one it is. | ||
| It's Gavin. | ||
| So we never settled that question. | ||
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We did. | |
| It's Gavin. | ||
| I'm going to call him Nigel for the rest of this episode, just as a show of disrespect. | ||
| Good. | ||
| But his name is Gavin McGinnis. | ||
| He's the guy who founded Vice, which they trot around as some sort of amazing credit. | ||
| And sure, Vice has turned into quite a large company, but they also... | ||
| I mean, come on now. | ||
| I don't actually know anything about Vice. | ||
| No, I don't know anything about the inner workings of it, but I've read a lot of their articles, and it seems like... | ||
| People who are... | ||
| And this isn't all of it. | ||
| What's their in-house editorial style? | ||
| I think it's like incompetent Hunter S. Thompson. | ||
| That's kind of how I would describe a lot of their journalism. | ||
| Okay, I'm listening. | ||
| Does he bumble around along the way to shooting his gun? | ||
| Magoo Gonzo? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Oh, Gonzo journalism? | ||
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There we go. | |
| And I'm painting with too broad a brush, because there is some decent work that's done on it, but by and large, it's like... | ||
| Very young people who are like, bleh. | ||
| They read too much Hunter S. Thompson when they were coming up and they think like, I'm going to do this dangerous journal. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| It's garbage. | ||
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But... | |
| It's jackass of news. | ||
| Sort of. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Nigel McGuinness joins them for a tripod of bullshit. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| And... | ||
| Gannon returns. | ||
| That is what we're going to be discussing. | ||
| When these three men met on Alex Jones' show. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| And the bullshit that comes out of their mouth. | ||
| One mouth. | ||
| They're all the same. | ||
| We human centipeded it? | ||
| Now, when we were starting this show, I was telling you that I'm in a little bit of a weird state. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And this is why. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I think that they're consolidating. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| So you think that the Vice people are going to absorb InfoWars? | ||
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Not Vice. | |
| He has nothing to do with Vice now. | ||
| Oh, okay, okay. | ||
| He's left that. | ||
| And we'll get into what he's doing now, which is fucking hilarious. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But that comes down the road. | ||
| He's dancing with wolves. | ||
| More or less. | ||
| Nigel McGinnis, born Gavin. | ||
| Nay, Gavin. | ||
| Mike Cernovich and Alex Jones are not necessarily merging in terms of their businesses merging or anything like that. | ||
| Okay, okay, okay. | ||
| But it is sort of like a rogues gallery coming together to our Batman. | ||
| Not John Rappaport, our Batman. | ||
| Okay, alright. | ||
| There is like a team coming together and it's really fucking scary. | ||
| Because this idea of these propagandists working together creates unlimited potential of audiences merging. | ||
| That's not good! | ||
| I don't like that at all! | ||
| It's the same thing with Alex being on Joe Rogan and not being challenged in his ideas. | ||
| It's that same sort of thing. | ||
| They're creating a consolidated echo chamber where they can each repeat back... | ||
| The bullshit that they say to each other. | ||
| Mike Cernovich has reported blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Yeah, each of them has a, you know, certainly a Venn diagram audience, but not completely all the same. | ||
| And they have built-in credibility in their audience. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So they give Alex Jones by proxy credibility, Mike Cernovich by proxy credibility, and it becomes a really dangerous game of ping pong. | ||
| So that scares the shit out of me, and I don't like what it portents. | ||
| No, that doesn't sound good. | ||
| Now, the good news is... | ||
| We dropped the mother of all bombs on them? | ||
| No. | ||
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Oh! | |
| They don't have any tunnels. | ||
| That was so close. | ||
| These people are fucking really stupid. | ||
| So, it will be easy for us to cut through a lot of their bullshit, but it's still scary that they're amassing hordes of people who follow them and combining. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's Sauron and Sauroman. | ||
| Now, let's get to the business at hand, because I have a lot of clips. | ||
| But the first one... | ||
| Is maybe the most delicious of them. | ||
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Oh! | |
| I like calling clips... | ||
| Tell me more, Great British Bake Off. | ||
| I like to call clips delicious, especially when they start like this, and here it goes. | ||
| Look at Tsar Nicholas, or... | ||
| What was Edward VIII's father's name? | ||
| Gavin McGinnis. | ||
| You don't think he has a lemon chasing him around, do you? | ||
| Like, I'm not gay, Gavin, but watching you get yourself all primped and clean, I think I might actually be. | ||
| You're a pretty handsome-looking dude over there. | ||
| I like every part of being gay except the sex. | ||
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It all sounds fun. | |
| Hanging out with guys, you get to do what you want, you never get nagged. | ||
| It's just the gross parts that happen, I guess. | ||
| Well, actually, they do the sex quite a bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I kept... | ||
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What the... | |
| What's going on? | ||
| So Alex is trying to play cool, you know, like that? | ||
| Hey, if I was gonna fuck any dude, it would be fucking you right now. | ||
| Look at you, you're weird. | ||
| Oh, look at you, primped up. | ||
| Hey, I would totally be gay with you as long as I was... | ||
| Nigel McGuinness has novelty facial hair that would cause Alex Jones to scream for 20 minutes if it was on a CNN reporter. | ||
| What kind of novelty facial hair? | ||
| He's got a beard and a mustache that's a little too long for the length of beard. | ||
| So he has a little bit of a prop mustache going on with his beard to the point where... | ||
| Remember the guy that he screamed about? | ||
| Mr. Creepy? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Mr. Creepy over here on CNN. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He has a rape fan. | ||
| Same beard. | ||
| Not the same, but it's enough that if he was someone who Alex was against, he would be like, oh, look at this guy. | ||
| I'm not saying he has a white van, but he probably does. | ||
| Let's check his tax records. | ||
| But in this regard, because he's on his side... | ||
| Yep. | ||
| He wants to fuck him. | ||
| He wants to fuck him, right? | ||
| So that means that he secretly wants to fuck the guy on CNN. | ||
| You have just used what is known as a hypothetical syllogism perfectly. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The transitive property dictates that Alex Jones secretly wants to fuck Mr. Creepy. | ||
| Now we get to the beginning of this conversation that they're all having. | ||
| And Nigel McGinnis, again, I'm doing this purposefully. | ||
| I know his name is Gavin. | ||
| Nigel McGinnis comes in with his really unevolved take. | ||
| I like everything about it, but sex. | ||
| I'm like, dude! | ||
| I remember the 80s, too. | ||
| I remember Adam Carolla in 96. I remember Loveline in the late 90s. | ||
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Adam Carolla saying, verbatim that bit. | |
| Yeah, and it's an old bit where it's like, if it weren't for the sex, I don't mind being gay. | ||
| It's just hanging out with your friends. | ||
| That's from the fucking... | ||
| The Larry the Cable Guy tour. | ||
| That guy. | ||
| One of those dudes. | ||
| The white-collar comedy? | ||
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Blue-collar comedy? | |
| Yeah, the blue-collar comedy fucks. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, the white-dude blue-collar shit. | ||
| Yeah, that's one of those dudes' bits. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Which speaks for its quality. | ||
| It's one of the hackiest, lamest things, and Alex's response is... | ||
| Fake laugh. | ||
| All of his laughs that he does throughout this entire thing are so fake. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| But then also, it's incredibly reductive in this idea that gay couples don't fight. | ||
| It's really insulting to the idea of it's like, no, it's just hanging out with your bros. | ||
| Do you mean assuming that gay people aren't real people and they are just some sort of magical creature that gets along all the time? | ||
| No. | ||
| It's assuming that homosexual relationships are identical. | ||
| I think they are. | ||
| You just add sex. | ||
| You just fuck a bunch! | ||
| Yeah, and I think that's exactly what Alex Jones knows. | ||
| And that's what Gavin McGinnis knows. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And he is fucking stupid. | ||
| I know that he's... | ||
| Nigel, excuse me. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Now I don't remember which is which. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I'm going to go back and forth based on my whims. | ||
| I don't give a shit. | ||
| But he is coming in. | ||
| I know that he's doing this for humor. | ||
| Which he's not doing a good job of. | ||
| If we judge it on the base of humor, it's one of the hackiest, oldest jokes in the book. | ||
| If you want to judge it based on what he's saying, it's horribly reductive and insulting. | ||
| This isn't serial. | ||
| We're not just going to laugh at any bullshit. | ||
| We're two professional comedians. | ||
| Congratulations on failing twice. | ||
| Twice, my man. | ||
| My bro. | ||
| My bro. | ||
| You failed as both Gavin and Nigel. | ||
| So then we get into this. | ||
| They make some predictions about what's going to be happening over the weekend. | ||
| In Berkeley, Lawrence Southern and a bunch of people are going down there to do a thing called Patriot's Day. | ||
| Nothing controversial, just people like Trump wanting to say they love free speech in America. | ||
| And all these rodents, these Antifa kids, they were just spotted at Home Depot buying wooden flagpoles because they want to extinguish all these people. | ||
| But they're going to meet up with bikers, oath keepers, all these guys are there waiting. | ||
| Extinguish? | ||
| Extinguish. | ||
| Extinguish people with flagpoles? | ||
| That's dumb. | ||
| How would you... | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| How would you extinguish someone with a flagpole? | ||
| Flagpole through the neck. | ||
| Flagpole through the neck? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Isn't that what it would be? | ||
| I mean, that's the softest area that's most attackable, probably, that would kill you. | ||
| You're not going through the chest cavity with the flagpole. | ||
| Oh, I thought they were going to light them on fire. | ||
| Oh, maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But like... | ||
| Oh, I get what you're saying. | ||
| That version of extinguished. | ||
| I thought I meant the light of life. | ||
| Ah! | ||
| Oh, well. | ||
| That sounds... | ||
| Well, but he said there was nothing controversial going on. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So why would they get those flagpoles? | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| They're not doing anything controversial. | ||
| They're just getting together and celebrating free speech in a way that I'm sure does not curtail the rights of others. | ||
| No, but it's the Antifa kids who are going to Home Depot. | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| Those notoriously violent trust fund children. | ||
| But again... | ||
| Those... | ||
| Oh! | ||
| Every time I go outside, I just see yet another trust fund child getting into some shenanigans. | ||
| But let's take this at its face value. | ||
| This is McGinnis coming in and being like, there have been reports of kids at Home Depot buying flagpoles. | ||
| First of all, I don't know. | ||
| Who is reporting that? | ||
| Right. | ||
| You just have a reporter at the Home Depot all the time? | ||
| Or does he pick up migrant workers there? | ||
| Is that who writes his articles for him? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Can you drive by the Home Depot and get a... | ||
| Keep us posted if any well-to-do kids are buying weird things. | ||
| Yeah, is this Fletch? | ||
| What's happening here? | ||
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It's so stupid. | |
| Does he have a network of spies? | ||
| You're going to come to this conclusion over and over again that McGinnis is just popping up and giving these anecdotal stories that I don't know how he could know, and even if he does know, don't mean anything, but he uses it to prop up his stories, and it's bullshit. | ||
| This is why Rapoport is only on screen for one... | ||
| Could be. | ||
| Because he is Home Depot Bushes right now. | ||
| Batman gets shit done. | ||
| How else do you think he knows all these scoops? | ||
| You're making a really great argument here because I should say that John Rappaport wasn't on last week. | ||
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Aha! | |
| On assignment. | ||
| On assignment. | ||
| There's almost no doubt about it. | ||
| And he definitely takes that picture with him. | ||
| So they're predicting that there's going to be trouble at this Patriots Day. | ||
| We're recording this on Saturday in the afternoon. | ||
| And from what I understand, there's a little bit of tensions. | ||
| It's a little bit uneasy. | ||
| And as the night goes on, I imagine there are going to be fights that break out. | ||
| I don't disagree with them at all. | ||
| There's going to be fucking trouble. | ||
| Boy, but you know, the Oath Keepers are pretty hardcore. | ||
| They just keep oaths. | ||
| But you know how this goes. | ||
| I mean, we saw it go down with that Milo situation. | ||
| There were agent provocateurs in the crowd who were largely working with alt-right organizations. | ||
| Some of them even employed directly by them, like fake journalists. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Paid protesters, if you will. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, I don't want to do that because I don't want to use the same sort of argument that they use so erroneously. | ||
| Right, but that's the problem with it. | ||
| That's exactly what they say is not happening. | ||
| It's so frustrating. | ||
| Insanely. | ||
| They're getting ahead of us on all of these things. | ||
| So if they get out in front of the narrative, then any time they do that paid protester thing, now it's a defensive thing. | ||
| We're fighting back against you. | ||
| It's so angering. | ||
| It's very effective. | ||
| Because it seems like we're being outsmarted by the dumbest people on the planet. | ||
| Well, that's because we're not super proactive. | ||
| Like, if we could do this show every day and really analyze things, then maybe we could... | ||
| You know, get ahead of the eight ball somewhat. | ||
| But we can't. | ||
| We have jobs. | ||
| And we live our lives. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which is why we're not out there thinking ahead regarding paid protesters. | ||
| Well, you can think behind on that. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| There's paid protesters. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| We've just outsmarted the argument. | ||
| Prove it. | ||
| Prove they're fake paid protesters. | ||
| But that's not how they work. | ||
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No. | |
| It's not. | ||
| Proof. | ||
| Just yell more. | ||
| He's the enemy. | ||
| Of the GOP. | ||
| You know what it is. | ||
| It actually really is, isn't it? | ||
| Well, it's like three of a kind beats a pair. | ||
| Proof beats three of a kind. | ||
| Yelling a whole bunch beats proof. | ||
| So that's kind of how the game of poker that we're playing goes. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| I wish we were playing for the low stakes of a pair versus three of a kind. | ||
| Yeah, it'd be nice. | ||
| Anyway, there is probably going to be trouble. | ||
| Here's Mike Cernovich coming in. | ||
| And if they stay, there will be double. | ||
| There will be double. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| I had to choose between this and covering that, and what a great life to have to make that choice, but I almost went to Berkeley. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| What a pussy. | ||
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Sure. | |
| What a great life to make the choice to not do that thing that might hurt me. | ||
| I predict he actually asked Alex if he could come into studio. | ||
| Can I fly to Austin that week so I have an excuse not to? | ||
| Can I not be in Berkeley? | ||
| I don't want to be there. | ||
| What if somebody throws a punch at me? | ||
| Because they will fuck me up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm a puss. | ||
| I'm an asshole. | ||
| I am a clear propagandist. | ||
| Some guy in a black ski mask is going to come up, punch the shit out of me. | ||
| There's going to be a gif of it. | ||
| It's going to be Spencer all over again. | ||
| I am not inciting violence. | ||
| But I am saying that every time I see the gif of Richard Spencer being punched, my heart grows three sizes. | ||
| Susie Dick. | ||
| Nah, it stops at two. | ||
| So I don't believe his premise is like, I wish I could be there covering it. | ||
| No, of course. | ||
| That's bullshit. | ||
| That's a complete lie. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| He does not want to be in the shit at all. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
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No! | |
| But it's great to have that convenient cover to be like, oh, I wish I could be there. | ||
| Man, I'd be there if I could. | ||
| Yeah, that's the guy at the bar saying, like, hold me back! | ||
| Hold me back! | ||
| And just grabbing onto his friends. | ||
| Or the drunk guy at the bar who's like, I could have made it. | ||
| I could have been in the show. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| You know, I almost made a pro ball. | ||
| You know, just... | ||
| Something happened, you know. | ||
| I got fat. | ||
| I got fat. | ||
| It turned out that didn't help. | ||
| I was trying to protect a woman. | ||
| I blew out my knee in a bar fight. | ||
| Otherwise, I'd be playing pro ball. | ||
| But I'm a hero. | ||
| You know, that sort of thing. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| I lost my arm in this lawnmower over here. | ||
| Look, I gotta choose between going and covering this place where I'm gonna probably get my ass kicked for being a dick, or I could go to Alex Jones' show and be treated like a hero in an air-conditioned studio. | ||
| I'm gonna go with that one. | ||
| Yeah, that's a pretty easy choice to make. | ||
| Yeah, so that was Cernovich's take on it. | ||
| Now, Gavin has some other thoughts that are a little bit inaccurate. | ||
| They're all rich kids. | ||
| They're sons of professors. | ||
| Some of them are brainwashed losers with no parental guidance. | ||
| And those two weak forces are going out there. | ||
| And you can tell when you see them in a fight. | ||
| They've never been there in a fight before. | ||
| thing they do is they put women in the front lines because these feminists have brainwashed themselves into thinking they can take any guy. | ||
| They just get clout. | ||
| They get beaten. | ||
| Like ISIS, the way they use women as human shields. | ||
| I agree because I saw that in I saw that in D.C. for the inauguration. | ||
| Women would run over and start attacking me. | ||
| And finally I said, okay. | ||
| And I just started ramming them down. | ||
| And they scream, I'm hitting a woman. | ||
| I'm like, wait, you're hitting me. | ||
| I'm trying to go in the entrance. | ||
| I was just, forget it. | ||
| Alex Jones just said that he started beating women. | ||
| No, he said that they were attacking him and he pushed them off. | ||
| But look, I know that didn't happen for a number of reasons. | ||
| Of course it didn't happen. | ||
| One reason I know it didn't happen is that there's no video of it. | ||
| And Alex tapes everything when he's out there. | ||
| There's a video of him embarrassingly drunk that he's put out himself from the Women's March in D.C. Cupcake! | ||
| Cupcake! | ||
| Also, they're putting the women out front. | ||
| In D.C. it was the fucking Women's March. | ||
| Uh, yeah. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Of course women are going to be leading it, you dumbass. | ||
| No, you can't get all of those women together because their men won't allow them to leave the house. | ||
| But you understand what I'm... | ||
| It's only with the permission of a man can women hold the most feminist march in history. | ||
| You might actually be pretty close to what McGinnis thinks. | ||
| Of course it's what they think. | ||
| They can't conceive of a world where women are on... | ||
| Especially McGinnis. | ||
| He is a toxic... | ||
| Evil masculine force. | ||
| Fuck! | ||
| And we're gonna get to it. | ||
| But, like, I really, really resent the idea that they're sort of presenting it as what these dumb liberals do is they put women out front as human shields, whereas the reality is that a lot of liberal causes women are leading, and we're comfortable with that. | ||
| They're leading more than anything else. | ||
| And we're super comfortable with that, falling in line and supporting. | ||
| Causes that are led by women. | ||
| I'm not afraid of female leadership. | ||
| Yeah, but if you're Alex Jones in the toxic masculinity group, you can't believe that. | ||
| No. | ||
| Because that starts to tear down your other beliefs. | ||
| If women can actually lead these marches without the control of a man... | ||
| Perhaps they can do other things without the control of a man. | ||
| So even if they're aware of this, they have to spin the narrative, otherwise their brains explode. | ||
| Because then women might have agency. | ||
| Like, whoa! | ||
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That's crazy. | |
| Can you imagine a world where women were allowed to make decisions for themselves? | ||
| It would be horrifying. | ||
| Their periods would sync up. | ||
| Is that a thing? | ||
| Probably in Gavin McGinnis' mind. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That doesn't make any goddamn sense! | ||
| So speaking of Gavin McGinnis' mind, he has this next quote when they're talking about this idea of, like, women attacking them and pussy liberals attacking them and having to fight them off. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Which is going to take us down a very fun road. | ||
| Oh, I don't want to hear this road. | ||
| At NYU, we had a guy we call Friar Tuck. | ||
| He's our biggest member of the Proud Boys. | ||
| Gross! | ||
| He was a bouncer his whole life. | ||
| He just murders people for fun. | ||
|
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Gross! | |
| What is the matter with you guys? | ||
| It's bizarre. | ||
|
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No! | |
| What the fuck was that fake laugh? | ||
| That's gross! | ||
| Jordan? | ||
| He just said the thing! | ||
| Jordan? | ||
| Do you know what the Proud Boys are? | ||
| I don't know! | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm not happy that I heard those words next to each other. | ||
| Proud Boys. | ||
| Wasn't that a band? | ||
| Can that be a band? | ||
| It was a song from the musical Aladdin. | ||
| Be proud of your boy. | ||
| That's what it comes from. | ||
| I think that's what it comes from. | ||
| That can't be real. | ||
| That's the best I can tell is what it comes from. | ||
| That can't be real. | ||
| The Proud Boys. | ||
| So the most toxically masculine group of people that this guy knows took its name. | ||
| From the Aladdin musical. | ||
| From what I understand, yes. | ||
| That's like how the KKK has the Grand Dragon. | ||
| Like, guys, fucking... | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| How is it that you can be this childish and fucking filled with delight and turn it into such evil? | ||
| Jordan, we're gonna talk a whole bunch about the Proud Boys now. | ||
| Oh, goddammit. | ||
| The Proud Boys are an organization... | ||
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How does the song go? | |
| I don't know. | ||
| I haven't listened to the song. | ||
| But it's like, be proud of your boy. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm just doing a version in my head now. | ||
| You're just making... | ||
| The Proud Boys are an organization that Gavin McGinnis has started. | ||
| No! | ||
| That is basically, from what I can tell, a really awful fraternity for really awful men. | ||
| Now, they put out a video... | ||
| Isn't that just a regular fraternity? | ||
| They put out a video that I'm going to play part of. | ||
| They put out a video. | ||
| I want you to listen carefully. | ||
| Gavin put this video out. | ||
| Alright? | ||
| Now listen to this. | ||
| How old are these people? | ||
| Some of them are in their 40s. | ||
| Some of them are in their 30s. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| It's adults. | ||
| If anyone ever says like, oh, that kid's in his parents' basement, fucking point to these 40-year-old assholes playing at children. | ||
| It's worse than you think. | ||
| Of course it is! | ||
| Now listen to this. | ||
| This is the beginning of their sizzle reel that they put on YouTube. | ||
| They have a sizzle reel. | ||
| Are they looking to get a reality show? | ||
| Probably. | ||
| They're probably looking to do that, right? | ||
| I might watch it. | ||
| I mean, I watched the Bad Girls Club. | ||
| There's no end to what I would watch on television. | ||
| I might watch the Proud Boys show. | ||
| I would rather die. | ||
| Alright, here we go. | ||
|
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I've become consumed with your plight. | |
| And I'm confident... | ||
| That I can fix you. | ||
|
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What? | |
| No. | ||
| How about you play Time of Your Life, you giant pussies? | ||
| Fucking Christ. | ||
|
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You know that something is going on, and the West is under siege. | |
| And the way they do that is with self-doubt. | ||
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And the way they do that is they shelter us from pride. | |
| And they make sure we're always ashamed of our past. | ||
| We're always paying for it. | ||
| This is a shitty Zach Braff monologue from Scrubs. | ||
| That's what this is. | ||
| This is fucking horrendous. | ||
| Overlaid in this video is shots of Gavin doing his radio show and shots of him playing with his baby and stuff like that. | ||
| Please, just give it a break. | ||
| Give it a rest. | ||
| This makes me want to kill myself. | ||
| Just take a sip of the wine. | ||
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Alright, alright. | |
| Just enjoy the rest of this. | ||
| It's important to show how much of an idiot this guy is. | ||
| Alright, alright. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| And what kind of crazy masculine messiah complex he has. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
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A perpetual penance where we have to pay restitution for our sins. | |
| That's all we really want, is for everyone to stop crying about the winners and just become a winner. | ||
| It's so un-American to whine. | ||
| Politics is two groups. | ||
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It's people who want to be left to fuck alone and people who won't leave them to fuck alone. | |
| Three deal breakers. | ||
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You don't fuck with my family, you don't fuck with a man's home, and you don't fuck with a man's job. | |
| totally behind quitting masturbating and quitting porn. | ||
| Call it hashtag no wanks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
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10 ways to save America. | |
| Abolish prison. | ||
| Give everyone a gun. | ||
| Legalize drugs and welfare. | ||
| Close the borders. | ||
| Outlaw censorship. | ||
| Venerate the housewife. | ||
| Glorify the entrepreneur. | ||
| Recognize the West is the best. | ||
| Ideally, number 10, shut down the fucking government. | ||
| We're all sick of the grievance industry. | ||
| We're all sick of being ashamed. | ||
| We all want a modicum of decorum. | ||
| We all want to improve our lives. | ||
| We want to get better. | ||
| But what's the name of our movement? | ||
| Fuck boys! | ||
| I got it. | ||
| We are called... | ||
| The Proud Boys. | ||
| And at that point... | ||
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Fuck you! | |
| At that point, the music kicks in and it swells. | ||
| No. | ||
| And there's just, like, video of dudes with Proud Boys tattoos and shit. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's fucking dark. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's fucking dark. | ||
| Now, hold on. | ||
| No. | ||
| Here's just one more clip from the video. | ||
| It's necessary. | ||
| Shut up. | ||
| Imagine a world where the Proud Boys didn't exist. | ||
| Do you know how much better my life would be? | ||
| Your life two minutes ago? | ||
| Do you remember my life two minutes ago when it was joyous? | ||
| I mean, yeah, the world was going to end, but the Proud Boys weren't in it. | ||
| Yeah, but now they are. | ||
| Fucking Christ. | ||
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Now they are, and we've got to look at it. | |
| Look at the darkness, Jordan. | ||
| Don't deny the darkness. | ||
| The three things that are deal breakers for me. | ||
| Don't fuck with my job. | ||
| Don't fuck with my dog, Tootles, and don't fuck with My Little Pony episodes. | ||
| I like the back ones. | ||
| I started at the beginning about a week ago. | ||
| I'm a proud boy, and I'm proud of My Little Pony proud. | ||
| The idea, like, you don't fuck with a man's job, it's like, yeah, you do. | ||
| Yeah, you totally do! | ||
| That's called fucking capitalism, you dumb fuck! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, there's two groups of people. | ||
| The people who want to be left alone and the people who won't leave them alone. | ||
| How about the people who want fucking roads, you pile of goddamn garbage? | ||
| Go fuck yourself. | ||
| Shut down the goddamn government. | ||
| How do you outlaw censorship if you don't have a government to outlaw it? | ||
| You can't outlaw something without some sort of authority, and that authority has to be a fucking government. | ||
| Fuck you, proud goddamn boy. | ||
| Fuck yourselves. | ||
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Go fucking you idiotic morons. | |
| Also, how vague is venerate the housewife? | ||
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I don't even know what that means! | |
| Like an ancient Chinese, like, oh, we keep our elder grandmother up on the goddamn home board. | ||
| Don't let your broad have a job. | ||
| And celebrate that she doesn't have a job. | ||
| I hate it when people cry about winners. | ||
| Calm down. | ||
| Let's quit crying about winners, and then we'll all be winners. | ||
| Is a complete and utter nonsensical idea, and they should be fucking punched in the face a million different times. | ||
| They would be if they were at Berkeley. | ||
| Oh, fuck me. | ||
| So, now, Jordan, hold on. | ||
| Calm down. | ||
| We've got to get to this next clip. | ||
| Oh, I'm very calm. | ||
| This is me calm. | ||
| We've gotten into sort of Nigel McGinnis' philosophy about what you'd like to see, and as you very accurately pointed out... | ||
| There's no way for him to do the things that he wants to do within his own philosophy. | ||
| Do you mean his not philosophy? | ||
| But we don't have a sense of what these Proud Boys are. | ||
| So now we've got to take a look at this. | ||
| I'm not going to use any of the words that I have. | ||
| I have a sense of who these Proud Boys are. | ||
| Would you like me... | ||
| No. | ||
| Listen. | ||
| No? | ||
| Fine. | ||
| I'll write down a series of adjectives. | ||
| This video explains a little bit. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| All right. | ||
|
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Focusing on this gang and having meetups, fucking secret handshakes. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Initiations. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, let's beat the shit out of each other. | ||
| No, he's saying let's beat the shit out of each other. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He just wants a fight club. | ||
| He wants to jerk himself off while talking into a fucking camera. | ||
| He loves Polaniuk. | ||
| That's basically what's going on here. | ||
| So now at that point of the video, it goes to show... | ||
| Secret handshakes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's like a Rick and Morty bit. | ||
| I looked into a bunch of... | ||
| Little bits. | ||
| I looked into the Proud Boys and I was like, what's going on? | ||
| And I found a ton of videos of their initiation ceremonies. | ||
| I wish you would have... | ||
| No. | ||
| No, you can't be pulling up a clip. | ||
| Here's the audio of one of them. | ||
| You can't be pulling up a clip of this. | ||
| And it begins with the Proud Boys pledge. | ||
| No! | ||
| Don't... | ||
| Put the mic down. | ||
| Because people need to hear this. | ||
| I am a Western chauvinist. | ||
|
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Greetings from the humongous. | |
| Who refuses to apologize. | ||
| The Lord humongous. | ||
| For creating the modern world. | ||
|
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The warrior of the wasteland. | |
| So you heard that there. | ||
| It was, I am a modern western chauvinist who refuses to apologize for having created the modern world. | ||
| Which is fucking horrible. | ||
| A proud boy. | ||
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Ha ha ha! | |
| You're hearing some slaps there. | ||
| And that is their initiation ceremony, which is everybody gets around the initiate and they all just punch him. | ||
| So everybody just, they jump him in, but it's all these little soft punches. | ||
| It's all these, like, old dudes giving really weak punches. | ||
| And they have no room to, like, really get a punch going. | ||
| So it's all these little short-range punches. | ||
| And the guy is just sort of laughing. | ||
| He's like, ah, ha, ha. | ||
| And, here we go. | ||
| Hold on, please. | ||
| Just hold on. | ||
|
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Hold on. | |
| You were so furious. | ||
|
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This kind of tickles, actually. | |
| Let's see. | ||
|
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Rice checks. | |
| Grape nuts. | ||
| Shredded meat. | ||
|
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I don't know, these guys made me think of Froot Loops. | |
| One more, one more! | ||
| And my lucky charm. | ||
| So whenever they're getting punched... | ||
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These. | |
| These are the fucks on Twitter everyone's afraid of. | ||
| These alt-right fucks who tickle each other and fucking... | ||
| What is... | ||
| What fucking is that? | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Dan, what the fuck is that? | ||
| I tried to explain. | ||
| Did you notice how I've never not talked for this long on our podcast ever? | ||
| You were staring at me enraged. | ||
| I am so fucking angry about this. | ||
|
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Proud boy! | |
| Every single moment of my life is now pain forever because these are the people. | ||
| These are the people who run the world. | ||
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No. | |
| These guys. | ||
| No. | ||
| They're the bullies. | ||
| This is my advice to every woman on the planet. | ||
| Kill all men. | ||
| Put more money into genetic research. | ||
| And just fucking move on without us. | ||
| You don't need us. | ||
| You don't need us anymore. | ||
| We can clone shit. | ||
| You guys will be fine. | ||
| Because there's a segment of the population that's into this. | ||
| Just get rid of us. | ||
| Just get rid of us. | ||
| Jordan, I feel like I need to fully explain what's going on there. | ||
| So there's these dudes. | ||
| What do you mean you need to explain what's going on there? | ||
| So they're punching him into the group, right? | ||
| They're all just punching him. | ||
| They're fucking... | ||
| They're jerking him off. | ||
| They're fucking... | ||
| The only way for it to stop, the only way for the punching to stop is for the initiate to name five things in a certain category that someone yells out. | ||
| So in that instance, it was serials. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And he was yelling out the names of serials. | ||
| So this is a bad improv show. | ||
| Basically. | ||
| That's what we're doing right here. | ||
| This is Second City Class 1. That's what's going on here. | ||
| It's based on Circle of Death or those drinking games you'd play in college. | ||
| It's like category time. | ||
| How did you... | ||
| You're fucking with me. | ||
| This is just recording from the movie Old School, right? | ||
| Nope, this is totally real. | ||
| That's what this is. | ||
| This is recording from a movie. | ||
| Because human beings... | ||
| Do not act like this in real life. | ||
| The video that I just played you were the guys listing off cereals and getting slapped. | ||
| At the end of it, there's a title card that says video produced by Gavin McGinnis. | ||
| This is directly from him. | ||
| So now, here's the other thing. | ||
| I found a bunch of other initiation videos and one of them is so fucking funny because they're like, you gotta drink. | ||
| They get the guy into the circle and they're punching him. | ||
| And he has to name, I can't remember what the five, the category was, but he's like naming them, and then some guy accidentally punches him in the face. | ||
| It's supposed to be body punches. | ||
| And then he's like, guy punched me in the face! | ||
| And then everybody's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. | ||
| Everybody's like... | ||
| Can we keep them in a zoo? | ||
| Isn't that where we can keep them? | ||
| Can we build biodomes for these fuckers? | ||
| But I mean, like, how... | ||
| These worthless piles of human garbage. | ||
| If we're gonna get into, like, the masculinity of it, it's like, okay, you draw a line at getting punched in the face, like, that's the worst thing that could possibly happen? | ||
| You're doing all these body shots to prove that you're a man, and one guy punches you in the face, and all of a sudden you're like... | ||
| Stop the ritual! | ||
| Stop the ritual! | ||
| It's Fight Club, but not for your face. | ||
| You don't want to destroy something that's so beautiful as these old men. | ||
| I hate all of them. | ||
| All these old men reclaiming their masculinity. | ||
| I am a male chauvinist. | ||
| That's how it starts. | ||
| A Western chauvinist. | ||
| Fuck off! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Might as well say I'm a white male chauvinist. | ||
| Oh, there are no non-white people in any of the videos I saw. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
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None. | |
| What a shocker. | ||
|
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None. | |
| What a goddamn shocker. | ||
| Zero. | ||
| Fucking... | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Do you know what? | ||
| I do know what. | ||
| The only way this makes sense... | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| It's a prank? | ||
| Is if white people were genetically engineered by Yacoub. | ||
| It's totally possible. | ||
| This is the only thing I believe now. | ||
| I'm done. | ||
| I'm done. | ||
| You understand, like, this is... | ||
| This is what Nigel McGinnis is all about. | ||
| He's a giant fucking... | ||
| This is his group. | ||
| This is horrendous. | ||
| This is horrendous. | ||
| It's somewhere between a dumb, drunk, pussy fraternity and fight club. | ||
| It's somewhere in the middle. | ||
| It's like an ambivalent fight club for dudes who feel dispossessed and feel like they don't have any masculinity. | ||
| Do they look like us? | ||
| Do they look normal? | ||
| Can they be walking among us at any point in time? | ||
| A couple of them, probably. | ||
| Or can we find the Proud Boys? | ||
| I think a couple of them. | ||
| Well, a lot of them have tattoos, apparently. | ||
| All right. | ||
| If I find a Proud Boy tattoo, I am going to pee on that tattoo. | ||
| Also, if you're a Proud Boy. | ||
| I'm going to urinate on a human being. | ||
| If you're a Proud Boy and you want to defend yourself. | ||
| Please feel free to hit us up on Twitter or at our Gmail. | ||
| I'll have a conversation with you. | ||
| I'm willing to hear them out. | ||
| Yeah, I will too, but it'll usually involve a lot of any number of words. | ||
| Any number of words. | ||
| Like, fuck boy. | ||
| Cock face. | ||
| Well, it does seem like a lot of really repressed homosexuality too, because they're always without shirts on and shit. | ||
| And so, I mean, it's... | ||
| There's nothing wrong with a little homoeroticism. | ||
| No, not at all. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| As we all know, the Spartans doesn't get stronger than them. | ||
| No. | ||
| Super homoerotic, right? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Do you know what they did? | ||
| What? | ||
| I don't know, wrestled or something? | ||
| But they weren't the fucking Proud Boys! | ||
| They're so proud. | ||
| Proud Boys! | ||
| Proud Boys! | ||
| Which is even infantilizing. | ||
| Call yourselves the fucking Butterscotch Gang or whatever the fuck it is. | ||
| Wouldn't it be better to be Proud Men? | ||
| No. | ||
| But wouldn't that be better, I mean, in terms of their branding? | ||
| Did you listen to any of this shit? | ||
| That is subconscious reality hitting them where it's like, oh no, we're definitely not men. | ||
| Proud Boys! | ||
| We're Proud Boys! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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This is... | |
| What? | ||
| Are they the little rascals too? | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| I mean, they are prankster-ish, certainly. | ||
| God, I hate them so much. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| I hate them so much. | ||
| It's so fucking funny. | ||
| But it isn't funny because... | ||
| One of them is going to, like, beat our asses. | ||
| That's what's going to happen. | ||
| The one who murders people for fun or whatever the fuck they call them? | ||
| We're talking shit here, and the end result of this is us getting our ass kicked by a Proud Boy. | ||
| So that part's not very fun, but even if I do get my ass kicked by a Proud Boy, I still think they're fucking hilarious. | ||
| Somehow, if you get your ass kicked by a Proud Boy, I have no doubt... | ||
| Based on that behavior, that they will feel very guilty and turn themselves into the cop because they are giant fucking pussies. | ||
| Yeah, but also, I want to say this. | ||
| Okay, we're done talking about the Proud Boys for now. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And we needed to discuss that just to give a sense of who this McGinnis character is. | ||
| He's a Proud Boy. | ||
| But as this develops and as the rest of this goes along, you've got to know what he's into. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And without that piece, you don't have a full understanding of this guy. | ||
| Have you ever seen the movie Tickled? | ||
| I have. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is that. | ||
| Do you know what he's into? | ||
| Watching homoerotic dudes touch each other. | ||
| It seems like he's thrilled by it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He's very thrilled by it. | ||
| Jordan, it's time for us to cleanse our palate with another out-of-context drop from Alex. | ||
| Thank God. | ||
| They call me the meme machine? | ||
| That's it? | ||
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Yep. | |
| They call him the meme machine? | ||
| Meme. | ||
| The meme machine? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh, God. | ||
| How is that even worse than what he just said? | ||
| Well, I mean, he's... | ||
| Codename the Texan. | ||
| Codename the Texan. | ||
| The Meme Machine. | ||
| The Meme Machine. | ||
| They call him that, and he's like, I love to be made fun of, haha, it's so fun. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| They do not call him the Gangster of Love. | ||
| No. | ||
| No one also calls him Maurice. | ||
| Meme Joe Grimm. | ||
| So, where we left off in the episode was... | ||
| McGinnis talking about Friar Tuck, one of the Proud Boys, and how he fights off people at events. | ||
| Friar Tuck, the Proud Boy. | ||
| Alex has some thoughts about how liberals punch people. | ||
| You've seen how they punch? | ||
| They swing like this, like... | ||
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I'm liberal! | |
| You're like... | ||
| I mean, one, that is how I punch. | ||
| But that is because I have early onset arthritis. | ||
| And as we all know, that does make you a liberal. | ||
| That's how I punch also, but that's because I have a mild related Tourette's. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I mean, I'm sorry. | ||
| I think it's my awake apnea. | ||
| That's really what it is. | ||
| So in this next clip, Gavin wants to discuss why people keep attacking him. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| Have you ever seen... | ||
| Why is this... | ||
| What? | ||
| Have we ever met a goddamn adult? | ||
| Have these people ever seen an adult? | ||
| Have you seen how liberals punch and then I punch hard? | ||
| Are you a fucking Cro-Magnon man? | ||
| They think that they are the adults. | ||
| Evolved into a human being. | ||
| That's what they think they are. | ||
| They think they're the ones who are adults and we are children. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| Anyway, Gavin wants to talk a little bit about why he thinks the people are attacking him. | ||
| I gotta say, he's kinda right, but he's also wrong. | ||
| So, here we go. | ||
| Well, they're so confident that we are the straw man of the Nazis or whatever the hell we are. | ||
| So, we're Hitler. | ||
| So, if you're gonna kill Hitler, you feel confident about it. | ||
| I mean, people talk about time-traveling and killing a baby. | ||
| It's just, it's the only murder that's totally acceptable. | ||
| So, now that we're all Hitler, Trump... | ||
| Everyone, 50% of the country is Hitler. | ||
| They'll just be on their phone going, yeah, he's right here in front of me. | ||
| Let's get him. | ||
| And you go, I'm not going to sit here and watch you plan my attack. | ||
| I mean, that's kind of fair. | ||
| So these guys just have this giant boner fantasy of punching somebody and being justified for it. | ||
| That's all they really want. | ||
| All they want is to be justified in punching somebody because they have so much repressed... | ||
| that they don't know how to channel into anything useful. | ||
| Well, when I was in middle school and junior high, I wanted to be in a street fight really badly, but I wanted to be on the right side of it. | ||
| Like, I wanted to get into a big, like, group fight. | ||
| That was like a big fantasy of mine. | ||
| But then I grew up, and now I don't want to do that. | ||
| So it's interesting, you know, like, just to have these sort of, you know, benchmarks in our own lives that we've grown through that kind of relate to how the Proud Boys act now. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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But I want to talk about... | |
| Like children. | ||
| Poor, tiny, little boys. | ||
| But they're proud. | ||
| I want to talk, though, about this... | ||
| Please, sir, may I punch you? | ||
| I think he's right, though, about this idea that people saying that he's a Nazi and those sorts of things allow them to be able to attack him. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I think he's right about that. | ||
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Right. | |
| If you are a Nazi, you... | ||
| I want to say this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| When we talk about people like Sebastian Gorka... | ||
| He's actually a Nazi. | ||
| Right. | ||
| When we talk about someone like Milo Yiannopoulos, he has slight Nazi-ish tendencies, but he's not really a Nazi. | ||
| What about Richard Spencer? | ||
| Richard Spencer is an avowed neo-Nazi. | ||
| He is. | ||
| He admits that. | ||
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Right. | |
| So that's fine. | ||
| When we're talking about someone like Gavin McGinnis, or we're talking about someone like Mike Cernovich, or even Alex Jones, they're not Nazis. | ||
| And when people make those comparisons, it is inappropriate. | ||
| But what they are is still someone that needs... | ||
| I would still punch. | ||
| Yes, the whole point of that was punch for the right reason. | ||
| His point is that everyone's comparing them to Nazis to make it okay to punch them, and I agree that that's stupid, but just take them based on their words and go ahead and punch them. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Just don't do the Nazi thing. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I feel like that's a good point. | ||
| You take the power away from the Nazi claim. | ||
| I would rather be punched. | ||
| For who I am on the inside, as opposed to what you perceive me to be on the outside. | ||
| Bingo. | ||
| You can never punch a book by its cover. | ||
| Bingo. | ||
| You have to open up the pages and really get into, usually like page 87, that's why I really punch a book. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So now... | ||
| We're going to take a shift away from... | ||
| And keep in mind, throughout this whole thing, it's the three of them talking. | ||
| And then at the end, Cernovich disappears, and it's just Alex and McGinnis. | ||
| But for now... | ||
| Proud boys. | ||
| Proud boys! | ||
| For now, Mike Cernovich is going to pop back up, and I'm going to bust his bubble. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, people are like, almost family calls. | ||
| He goes, how are you handling it? | ||
| Are you really working for Assad? | ||
| I mean, I've never been to the Middle East. | ||
| Assad? | ||
| All I said was, I don't like Assad, I don't like Al-Qaeda, our government started the war. | ||
| Yeah, there it is. | ||
| And their main Twitter feed, the conspiracy with the chemical weapons attack in Syria was a hoax. | ||
| And they go on to say these un-American traitors, these useful idiots. | ||
| And so I don't know how I'm not supposed to talk about myself. | ||
| So you're watching this, and they attack you plenty, Gavin, as well, and try to beat you up and kill you. | ||
| What is going on? | ||
| We're all Russian agents. | ||
| I mean, I support Trump. | ||
| I get the missile attack made him look strong. | ||
| I'm just saying I don't believe the chemical attack was so sad because they've caught the rebels doing it before and they don't have any proof he did it. | ||
| I'm not even attacking Trump. | ||
| In fact, in a Machiavellian way, I'm saying, okay, you blew up an empty airfield and shut them up about how you're a Russian agent. | ||
| I kind of sickly support it. | ||
| I've admitted that. | ||
| Kind of becoming like Machiavelli because now we've got a guy in there doing their own tricks against them. | ||
| I'm just saying, how do we know Assad did it? | ||
| And now, in newspapers everywhere, I am an Assad agent. | ||
| We're together. | ||
| Look at us. | ||
| Gavin, are you getting orders from Assad? | ||
| You didn't allow Gavin to answer? | ||
| No, and he's very conveniently not asking Cernovich, who is sitting right next to him. | ||
| Cernovich is in studio, Gavin's over Skype. | ||
| And the reason is that there's very strong evidence that has now come out that at least as it relates to the Syrian hoax hashtag that was going around on Twitter, that was a Russian op. | ||
| Oh, you think so? | ||
| They've traced back the earliest tweets that use the hashtag Syrian hoax. | ||
| Oh, the Syrian hoax part was a Russian op, not the actual sarin gas. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| The thing on Twitter that has been traced back to the earliest ones were in Russia and bizarrely a very high incidence of people tweeting about that in Somalia, which could conceivably be bot farms. | ||
| I would assume so. | ||
| Which is... | ||
| It does support the... | ||
| There's a lady who... | ||
| Fully documented the beginning of how the operation sort of went. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And how it went was that someone tweeted with the hashtag no more fake wars and with a call to arms to a group. | ||
| And so a bunch of people started retweeting that with a bunch of other hashtags. | ||
| And immediately, Syrian hoax got involved in that. | ||
| Someone implanted that into this thread that people kept tweeting. | ||
| It got activity. | ||
| More people tweeted Syrian hoax. | ||
| All of these appear to be fake accounts. | ||
| So they did a concentrated attack, basically. | ||
| Well, not attack, but whatever. | ||
| They used a bullhorn. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's what they did. | ||
| And they amplified it over and over and over again until it found its way into the public consciousness. | ||
| It's basically you have something that's bouncing back and forth on a really small area. | ||
| So it's like you have a ball that's going back and forth between... | ||
| Two walls that are very close. | ||
| If it comes in with momentum, it'll keep going much faster than if the walls were further apart. | ||
| So you have these accounts that are all being run by the same bot farm, essentially. | ||
| The walls are very close. | ||
| And so they start coordinating on this thread and start putting memes onto it, onto this thread. | ||
| And along the way, it also had all kinds of things about how these wars are Jew wars and stuff like that. | ||
| So there actually is a literal meme machine. | ||
| There is a meme machine, yes. | ||
| And it is not Alex Jones. | ||
| So that's... | ||
| So we have finally busted that, our most important achievement today. | ||
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Right. | |
| No one calls him the meme machine. | ||
| So that's how it started. | ||
| That's how this thing started with these threads and people started retweeting them because they had the memes. | ||
| People started to pick up on it and it started trending and that's when people like Mike Cernovich got involved. | ||
| So it is like a literal propaganda injection. | ||
| Yes, and it is useful idiocy. | ||
| It is these people who are willing to believe all sorts of things as long as it fulfills... | ||
| things they push confirmation bias they push them really hard and then oh shit the reality starts to come out maybe a week later That this was something that was started by Russians. | ||
| And you can never catch up to it. | ||
| No. | ||
| You can't get there fast enough. | ||
| Well, you know it now, but the damage is done. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Tons of really stupid people have already bought into this. | ||
| And once you've bought into it, you're going to reject any information that debunks that. | ||
| Because then that would make you look like a fucking idiot. | ||
| Now, if you want to go further than just this very awesome article that has screenshots that documented the beginning of the hashtag. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What did the Proud Boys have to say about it? | ||
| Their mum on the topic. | ||
| Coincidentally, mum. | ||
| But this guy, J.M. Berger, who's a member of the International Center of Counterterrorism at The Hague, his job is to study propaganda and social media analytical techniques. | ||
| He was quoted as saying that the Syria hoax hashtag is a, quote, clear example of Russian influence campaigns designed to undermine the credibility of the U.S. government. | ||
| And he went on to say, the point of an influence campaign is to get people involved who wouldn't otherwise be involved. | ||
| A lot of people in the alt-right would not necessarily characterize themselves as being pro-Russian, but they're receiving influence from this campaign. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| That's a guy at the fucking Hague. | ||
| So they're dumb. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're dumb. | ||
| Yeah, it's sort of a bitch. | ||
| I would love to sugarcoat that in a way that seems more fair. | ||
| In like that way that you go on TV news and they don't say, the president is a liar. | ||
| They say, the president has made false claims. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Has implied this, whereas the reality is this. | ||
| I am not going to do that. | ||
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No. | |
| That's not our job. | ||
| I am going to say that these people are dumb. | ||
| I'm going to say they're fucking ding-dongs. | ||
| I'm going to say you might as well be an honorary proud boy. | ||
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And that's not something you should be proud of. | |
| Honorary boy. | ||
| We have what I can see and what all my research has led me to believe that they are parroting Russian and pro-Assad talking points that aren't necessarily based in truth. | ||
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Right? | |
| Now what's the... | ||
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Now hold on, hold on, hold on. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You're going to make my point. | ||
| Sorry, sorry. | ||
| So how they're presenting it is that people are accusing them of being Assad agents. | ||
| That's what Alex always says. | ||
| He's like, people think I'm a Russian agent. | ||
| Now they're saying I'm a pro-Assad agent. | ||
| No one is accusing you of working with Assad. | ||
| They're accusing you of having an agenda that matches up with his, and you're using his propaganda. | ||
| Because you've been duped. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| You've been duped. | ||
| And it's hard to admit when you're duped. | ||
| Before we started this podcast, me and Marty DeRosa recorded an episode of a podcast that he and I did together. | ||
| And we were talking about... | ||
| Called the Oops! | ||
| We've Been Duped podcast. | ||
| Might as well have been. | ||
| Yeah, okay. | ||
| It was called That's What They Want You To Think. | ||
| And we discussed conspiracy theories and stuff like that. | ||
| And part of the fun was that we bought into stuff for humor and to make the conversation more fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But there was a point to which we really did buy into, for instance, the idea that Hillary Clinton was going to die. | ||
| Like, she was deeply sick. | ||
| Now, we bought into that because... | ||
| It did appear that there were videos of her falling down and stuff like that. | ||
| And it didn't look good. | ||
| Now, the only real response that we had to that was afterwards. | ||
| We were dumb. | ||
| We fucked up on that one. | ||
| We believed bad sources. | ||
| We bought into whatever this was. | ||
| And that's what you do when you fuck up. | ||
| And Mike Cernovich has not done that. | ||
| Not if your brand is to never fuck up. | ||
| They can't do it. | ||
| I would argue that's not being a man. | ||
| Yeah, well, I would argue, of course it's not being a man. | ||
| And so far... | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| I'm done with man. | ||
| I'm done with man. | ||
| Being a man. | ||
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Adult. | |
| I'm done with that nebulous concept of what it is to be a man. | ||
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Being an adult. | |
| Being an adult. | ||
| Being not an idiot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Being not a moron. | ||
| So now you get the glimpse of this round table that we're having and this team of superpowers. | ||
| Because these dudes do have huge followings on their own. | ||
| God, I hate life. | ||
| So we've got the Proud Boys leader over here. | ||
| I hate you. | ||
| We've got the dummy who believes pro-Russian propaganda and spoon-feeds it to his dumb audience. | ||
| Cernovich or? | ||
| Cernovich. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And then we've got Alex Jones, who we fully documented as a fragile, broken human being. | ||
| Somehow we have more empathy for him. | ||
| Well, yeah, because we know him better. | ||
| Yeah, but we should have empathy for anybody who calls himself a proud boy. | ||
| What a poor, heartbroken, useless... | ||
| Remember the... | ||
| Just... | ||
| Might as well be an intellectual blob of a human being. | ||
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Remember? | |
| I am never going to not be angry at you for telling me about the Proud Boys. | ||
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Proud Boys! | |
| I think you need to understand that. | ||
| I think you really need to understand, like on a deep personal level, the fact that I now know that the Proud Boys exist is going to associate them with you for the rest of my life. | ||
| So in the back of my head, every time we get a drink, I'm going to be thinking, this is a motherfucker who told me about the Proud Boys. | ||
| This is the boy who hit me to the Proud Boys. | ||
| Always, always there. | ||
| Proud Boys! | ||
| Always there. | ||
| So be that as it may, I want you to remember that you're making an argument while you're misaligning me. | ||
| You're making an argument that we should have empathy for anyone who builds a group called the Proud Boys. | ||
| Remember that later as this goes on. | ||
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Now, let me do this for you. | |
| So, just because I have empathy for somebody does not mean I also don't want every single person On the entire planet to hit them in the face at least once. | ||
| Punch them right in that silly mustache. | ||
| Right in that dumb face. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right in the dumb face. | ||
| So, when we left off, McGinnis was being asked by Alex, what's your response to being called a Russian agent, or Assad agent? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And like I said, there's a reason he didn't ask Cernovich, because that opens a can of worms. | ||
| Now, Cernovich could probably handle it. | ||
| He could spin his way out of it. | ||
| But the facts on the ground aren't looking good. | ||
| So anyway, he asks McGinnis, And here is his answer that really goes bad. | ||
| Gavin, are you getting orders from Assad? | ||
| Yeah, I was just talking to him on the phone right now. | ||
| He's actually here via Skype on the other TV. | ||
| But my thing with that is I go, I don't care. | ||
| I don't care if it was actors. | ||
| I don't care if they just had kids. | ||
| Go like that. | ||
| The big picture is that the world saw a bad thing, so the big man has to go boom on the bad thing. | ||
| And now women respect him. | ||
| What? | ||
| So he's talking about the pictures of the gassed kids. | ||
| He doesn't care if it's fake or not. | ||
| You should care if it's fake or not. | ||
| Certainly. | ||
| Because a lot of people are going to die. | ||
| And if it's fake, those people could totally not die. | ||
| But if it's real or fake... | ||
| You could not kill people. | ||
| If it's not real. | ||
| Because that would be a lie. | ||
| And you shouldn't go start a war based on a lie. | ||
| That would be a bad fucking idea. | ||
| If you did that, say, 15 goddamn years later, maybe we would not have any fucking... | ||
| Speaking of which, you shouldn't not start a war based on a lie on Twitter also. | ||
| That goes back to the hashtag thing. | ||
| But don't you love that, though? | ||
| It's like, real or not? | ||
| What ends up happening is big man has to make boom boom to impress woman. | ||
| And now women respect him. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| That's all he needed. | ||
| But he's a western chauvinist. | ||
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That's all he fucking needed. | |
| He's a western chauvinist. | ||
| God. | ||
| What does it feel like? | ||
| I want to get inside the brain of these people. | ||
| I bet you don't. | ||
| What does it feel like? | ||
| I bet you don't. | ||
| Just for a moment, entertain. | ||
| What does it feel like on the inside to be one of these assholes? | ||
| Hurtful. | ||
| It hurts, probably. | ||
| It has to eat at them, right? | ||
| They have to have those moments where they go home and they're watching TV and their brain is right about to shut off. | ||
| They have to have that moment where they feel small. | ||
| I would assume. | ||
| I would assume, yeah. | ||
| I mean, I think that's a pretty human thing. | ||
| Right, but I can't really understand the depth of that because I don't feel small and childish and empty. | ||
| I feel like the world is ending right now. | ||
| And I feel that way because the world is ending. | ||
| Right now. | ||
| Well, up until like five years ago or so, we didn't have Proud Boys in the world. | ||
| And that's got to be an end time sign. | ||
| What a beautiful world. | ||
| Is that in Revelation? | ||
| Actually, there are the four Proud Boys of the apocalypse. | ||
| I believe I remember that part. | ||
| There's Friartuck. | ||
| Nigel McGinnis. | ||
| Disease. | ||
| Pestilence. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So he actually goes on further, and I think it actually gets even more misogynistic. | ||
| They go, oh, the patriarchy's back. | ||
| Because we know feminists deep down want the patriarchy. | ||
| Obama's legacy is obliterated because he said he would draw a line in the sand and he got cucked. | ||
| So that's awesome. | ||
| He's killed, as you say, the Russian theory. | ||
| I think the neocons even are getting too much hubris, too confident they're going to be wiped out. | ||
| And the biggest picture is these terrorists are absolute... | ||
| Animals. | ||
| They dismember our soldiers. | ||
| They tear out beating hearts and eat them. | ||
| They sell fingers in the market there as war trophies. | ||
| There's literally a market for body parts just as accoutrements. | ||
| So we don't negotiate with them. | ||
| We don't send them democracy. | ||
| We just scare them with huge fireworks. | ||
| Also, FedEx doesn't... | ||
| Deliver. | ||
| You talked over it, but Alex at the end said, that's very well said. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| No, it's not. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, it was perfectly said, right? | ||
| So let's break down a couple things. | ||
| Women secret... | ||
| Feminists. | ||
| Not women. | ||
| Women are actually against the patriarchy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But feminists, that's their whole goal. | ||
| You remember how they say that all the time? | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| You're actually being wrong. | ||
| Women as a whole all want the patriarchy, but the feminists who speak out against it secretly want it. | ||
| The rest of them are cool. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| So everybody wants the patriarchy. | ||
| Alrighty. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Now that is, at its base, that is the, what, slightly less aggressive form of, no, she actually wanted it. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| That's what that is. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| That's exactly what that is. | ||
| Take the rape metaphor away from it. | ||
| What it is is an attempt to say, like, you don't know what you think. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's an attempt to take agency away from women, and it's fucking awful. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's absolutely on its face not true. | ||
| It implies some sort of secret knowledge of women. | ||
| Because he's talking to Proud Boys most of the time. | ||
| They don't know. | ||
| So whatever he says, he seems cool. | ||
| He started Vice. | ||
| He must know what women think. | ||
| He doesn't. | ||
| He doesn't. | ||
| We know a lot of women who are feminists. | ||
| We know a lot of women who are on the fence about what they would want to identify themselves as. | ||
| I don't think that any of them are like, fuck, I really secretly wish men ruled over everything. | ||
| Do you know what's crazy? | ||
| Now, and I know you're not going to believe this. | ||
| I probably won't. | ||
| But this is totally true. | ||
| Okay, I'm listening. | ||
| Every woman? | ||
| All right. | ||
| She has told me that she wants the patriarchy. | ||
| Ah, shit. | ||
| Now, she did it secretly, though. | ||
| She tapped it on my arm in Morse code. | ||
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| That's how you know what they think. | ||
| Gavin figured this out. | ||
| She was speaking woman code when she said that I would like to make as much as a man. | ||
| What she was really saying was, oh, so cool that men make more than me. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| That's women code? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Alright, I didn't know that. | ||
| I was actually in the Proud Girls. | ||
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Proud Girls! | |
| We didn't learn about that. | ||
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No. | |
| Jesus. | ||
| Our cookies are way better, though. | ||
| So then beyond that, he's like, Trump's actions have destroyed the Russia narrative. | ||
|
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It hasn't. | |
| Which they have not. | ||
| Not by a long shot. | ||
| Not even a little bit. | ||
| The dropping of the mother of all bombs on Afghanistan happened almost immediately after news broke that seven different countries... | ||
| Relayed information to the United States intelligence community that Trump surrogates were directly meeting with Russian spies. | ||
|
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Yes. | |
| So the idea that this is going to stop that, no, absolutely not. | ||
| The proliferation of information has gone too far. | ||
| Is it going to stop it in time? | ||
| No, probably not. | ||
| We're fucked. | ||
| We have to... | ||
| Why can't they just fucking do this? | ||
| Because if they pull the trigger too early, they botch the entire thing. | ||
| This is how it goes with investigations. | ||
| If it's not ironclad, you're going to end up coming in too early. | ||
| That's exactly what the CIA said to Lee Harvey Oswald. | ||
| But that happens all the time in investigations that jump too early. | ||
| There's got to be a way to fucking stop this. | ||
| It's clear, at least, okay, circumstantially, it's clear that the president committed treason. | ||
| It does not matter if he actually committed treason. | ||
| Not really. | ||
| What matters is that the entire world looks at the American president and says, that guy committed treason. | ||
| So let's not have that guy. | ||
| Can't we just not have that guy? | ||
| Like, if you're in the GOP, can't you just not do this? | ||
| Can't you just once have the fucking balls to just be like, hey, no. | ||
| Can't we just do over? | ||
| Can't we have a do over? | ||
| I don't know if you saw this. | ||
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Dan! | |
| Do-over! | ||
| I'd like that. | ||
| I don't know if it's in the Constitution, but I'd like that. | ||
| But also, I don't know if you saw this today, but there was a Freedom of Information Act request made about the polls in the states that Trump won, that he was sort of suspiciously won. | ||
| Like the North Carolinas, the Michigans, these states. | ||
| And the return of the Freedom of Information Act said that there were 90 reports. | ||
| No, but that's systemic racism. | ||
| That's more likely the situation, not Russian agents. | ||
| But it's still part of the conversation. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| So when you're talking about someone who cheated their way to the presidency, having deeply democratic counties that are heavily... | ||
| You know, disenfranchised populations, giving them the shady equipment and refusing to fix it is kind of part of that. | ||
| Even if the Russians didn't influence the election, the GOP did by trying to keep as many people as possible from voting. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| They couldn't win, so they cheated. | ||
| Now, they're so good at that. | ||
| Like, historically in America, they always do that, and the Democrats are like... | ||
| All right, you guys got us this time. | ||
| We're bumbling idiots. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's such a bummer that the Proud Boys are winning over me. | ||
| Proud Boys! | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Can we get a music sting of that? | ||
| You know what I'm thinking? | ||
| Like that song, Wild Boys. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Anyway, the next clip that we're going into is a little bit of a discussion about that mother of all bombs that was dropped. | ||
| As again. | ||
| I mean, I can't... | ||
| It's not fair to call it a distraction because it's a real act of war. | ||
| It's a fucking atrocity. | ||
| Yeah, but the timing of it is very fucking weird. | ||
| It's very fucking weird. | ||
| But anyway... | ||
| Just the dropping of it is a fucking... | ||
| Like, there's no going back. | ||
| Like, that's never... | ||
| It never doesn't... | ||
| It always works like that. | ||
| And the only escalation past this is nuclear. | ||
| Escalation is a fucking nuclear weapon. | ||
| Yeah, or hydrogen bombs or whatever. | ||
| Yeah, it is always going to escalate. | ||
| I... | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| Oh, I realized that I totally cut you off when you were talking about Obama. | ||
| Obama being cucked. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Yeah, no, he said that was his proudest decision, not to fucking engage with Syria and instead to find a peaceful way to do that. | ||
| Because it demonstrates restraint. | ||
| It does the whole thing. | ||
| Because literally everybody in the government... | ||
| Told him that he now has to blow them up or whatever. | ||
| And he's the only voice that didn't. | ||
| And now you look at everybody who was in his government and they're all like, Woo! | ||
| That's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen when we bomb the fuck out of innocent people. | ||
| Gorgeous bombs. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So anyway, here we go. | ||
| Also, this leads into Gavin McGinnis being really fucking stupid. | ||
| I love the MOAB because not only is this a big message that, hey, we got the big guns. | ||
| On the eve of the North Korea thing, that was a warrant of a bunch of them that they killed, who killed special forces going in just to get intel on them. | ||
| We're running them out of Syria and Iraq, like you said, cleaning up Obama's mess. | ||
| They're now, they drop this 20-something pound bomb, and it kills them all. | ||
| I mean, that's, finally, and then they say, oh, he wants a military dictatorship. | ||
| He says, I've given them total authorization. | ||
| The difference is to carry out his constitutional... | ||
| Orders! | ||
| This micromanaging! | ||
| Call Obama! | ||
| And he would never answer the phone. | ||
| Sir, we have Bin Laden in the sights. | ||
| We can't kill him. | ||
| Wait, did he just say, sir, we have Obama in the sights and we can't kill him? | ||
| He's talking about Bin Laden. | ||
| But they were saying that to Obama, the guy who ordered and succeeded in killing... | ||
| Well, but if you believe... | ||
| I don't know, because Alex is mixing up his narratives. | ||
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Yeah, no. | |
| Alex is all over the board here. | ||
| A lot of conspiracy people, and I'm not entirely sure what Alex's feeling on this is, but they believe that Osama bin Laden was killed long before. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| I remember that, where he drowned at sea and they didn't have the body, so they couldn't do that. | ||
| It was all a cover-up and what have you. | ||
| There's just no... | ||
| There's no winning if you're Obama. | ||
| Well, did you see the poll? | ||
| The most amazing poll I think I've ever seen in my entire life. | ||
| Democrats. | ||
| Who support attacking Syria? | ||
| 37% when Obama was president, 37% now. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| That's consistency. | ||
| The GOP. | ||
| Prior, when it was Obama, 10%. | ||
| When it was Trump? | ||
| 89%. | ||
| That's consistency, baby. | ||
| Un-fucking-believable. | ||
| Consistency. | ||
| Why do they even exist? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| You don't have any kind of centralized ideology other than we don't like this thing. | ||
| We good, you bad. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| We're proud boys. | ||
| You really did just explain it all. | ||
| Kind of. | ||
| You really did. | ||
| This clip goes on and Gavin says some really fucking stupid shit that I'll explain at the end of the clip. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| I mean, this is crazy. | ||
| Gavin, what do you make of that? | ||
| I think we've crippled our guys over there. | ||
| I was talking to Terry Shappard recently, and I said, how do we win this war? | ||
| And he goes, let us do our job. | ||
| I mean, right now, they've got RPGs, and they go, we're getting shot at from a mosque. | ||
| What do we do? | ||
| And they've got to call up. | ||
| I talked to one vet who told me, he said, our guy had to pretend he misunderstood in order to save our lives. | ||
| Because they were shooting from the mosque, and the guy said, don't shoot the mosque. | ||
| And he said, what was that? | ||
| What, shoot the mosque? | ||
| Oh, what? | ||
| And they took out the guys that were trying to kill them. | ||
| We've got to let our dogs loose on these boys. | ||
| I want the terrorists to be going, who, who, who, who? | ||
| Let the dogs out! | ||
| As we just roar through the Middle East. | ||
| A short, sharp shock, by the way. | ||
| I don't want a quagmire. | ||
| I want to just get in and get out and scare the crap out of them. | ||
| Everybody wants a short shock. | ||
| No one wants a quagmire, but it always turns into one magically. | ||
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But hold on, hold on. | |
| Do they not know that? | ||
| But everyone else is dumb about history. | ||
| Also, he's advocating the neocon position, and yet he was like, the neocons are never going to make it. | ||
| They're going to die. | ||
| Very stupid. | ||
| These people are stupid. | ||
| They have no consistency within sentences. | ||
| But then also, the rules of engagement dictate that if you're being attacked, you can defend yourself. | ||
| So even if you're being shot at from a mosque, you can shoot back at them. | ||
| There's no authorization that's needed to respond. | ||
| So the idea... | ||
| That you would have to call back and be like, hey, I need permission to attack this guy who's shooting at me. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| You know, I don't know that. | ||
| I'm not going to speculate on that. | ||
| There are any number of reasons why you wouldn't shoot a mosque, even if it was shooting at you. | ||
| A mosque is a symbolic situation there. | ||
| We still bomb them pretty regularly. | ||
| Yeah, no, that's true. | ||
| That argument is flimsy. | ||
| Well, yeah, it is a flimsy argument. | ||
| That said, if you read military history, there's a lot of dumb shit that people do and say. | ||
| I know Alex read a lot of it when he was six. | ||
| Yeah, that I don't know. | ||
| I have no comment on that. | ||
| Sure, that's fair enough. | ||
| My position is that defensive things are very different than assaults. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That you need permission for. | ||
| But then secondarily, he's saying, I talked to a vet. | ||
| Again, it's an anecdotal story that seems to make some nebulous point that I think is... | ||
| Contestable. | ||
| And furthermore, we know that he has talked to a blank and there has never actually been that person ever. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| So, look, I just think that's pretty stupid. | ||
| It's very stupid. | ||
| I think it worries me so much anytime somebody says the solution is to let our dogs loose. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Well, the solution is to kill more people, obviously. | ||
| How many people have to... | ||
| It's ludicrous. | ||
| It's ludicrous. | ||
| Yeah, and it always does seem to be sort of... | ||
| Who do we need to kill? | ||
| I know. | ||
| The poor. | ||
| The other. | ||
| Like, it's so simple. | ||
| It's so simple. | ||
| The mother of all bombs cost $310 million. | ||
| I think it was $314. | ||
| Yeah, something like that. | ||
| The entire yearly budget of any number of programs. | ||
| And it accomplished nothing. | ||
| Other than to show that we can make a big bomb. | ||
| It killed 36 ISIS members, and then that number was upgraded to like 90-something. | ||
| But the higher number is dubious. | ||
| And even if it was 94 people in ISIS, that's not worth it. | ||
| It was never worth it to make it in the first place. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| And beyond that, there's no estimate that I've been able to find of... | ||
| The amount of civilians that are killed by a bomb that has a blast radius of a mile. | ||
| I can't imagine how many people died. | ||
| This is why it is really important to realize that America is not the good guy. | ||
| Certainly not by default. | ||
| At this point, Russia is kind of a better guy than we are. | ||
| If they just stay out of shit for like 10 years, they're doing better than us. | ||
| But, listen, we're getting off track. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| No, we're not gonna... | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| This is not the, let's discuss American foreign policy. | ||
| No. | ||
| Go to foreign policy for that. | ||
| Great articles. | ||
| More about Sebastian Gorka, I've been learning, by the way. | ||
| Anyway, we have to get into this, because now we're gonna take a sharp veer from this war shit, and we're gonna take a hard turn into culture battles. | ||
| Great. | ||
| And this next clip explains kind of what the left is all about. | ||
| You know, like, if you really want to get into truth about the left, it's right here. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's right here. | ||
| I'm assuming that they know about the left. | ||
| Well, since they know so much about the women. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I assume they know more about the left than I have. | ||
| I'll tell you what, that plays into this. | ||
| Oh, what a shocker. | ||
| Why is the left literally in bed with the most monotheistic, cult-like, anti-woman, anti-liberal thing on earth? | ||
| I mean, I know we talk about this all the time, but the left... | ||
| What? | ||
| What? | ||
| He's talking about Islam. | ||
| He's talking about the left being in bed with Islam. | ||
| Alright, alright, alright. | ||
| Microphone down. | ||
| Microphone down! | ||
| So bad. | ||
| They're so anti-freedom, anti-West, anti-Western chivalrous male that they will roll into the most nasty crap in the world. | ||
| Like a huge banquet of... | ||
| Well, I think it's because they hate the family. | ||
| And why do they hate the family? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| They have daddy issues. | ||
| Maybe they're weak and they can't bear the idea of having kids and having to propose and women can't handle that they can create and shape lives. | ||
| They're overwhelmed by their own magic. | ||
| They're sentient beings, as Ann Coulter calls them. | ||
| And men just don't have the balls to stop playing video games and actually put a ring on it. | ||
| And so they've created this world where everything about them is anti-family. | ||
| More trans, more gay weddings. | ||
| Because they don't have it, they're against it. | ||
| Right, Gavin? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And they go, they see these Muslims and they go, well, they are racist, homophobic, prejudiced extremists who want to obliterate the West. | ||
| But in that obliteration, the family will get destroyed. | ||
| So I'm going to have Linda Starr to run the Women's March and I'll put a hijab on my head. | ||
| That's, I mean, that's an interesting theory. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| That was me being sarcastic. | ||
| That's a very boring theory. | ||
| I would posit that it's possible that liberals are cool with Muslims because we're into... | ||
| A diversity of opinion. | ||
| Human beings? | ||
| A diversity of cultures. | ||
| Because we like the humans. | ||
| Yeah, and I would say that all liberals that I've ever met are against things like genital mutilation, child brides. | ||
| False flag. | ||
| All of these sorts of things that are parts of primitive culture that do still exist in parts of the developing world. | ||
| We are against those things. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And that's not at all. | ||
| We're against any number of religious theocracies. | ||
| It's not at all fair to point the finger at all Muslims and say, you cut clits off. | ||
| You know, that's not fair at all. | ||
| Hashtag yes, all Muslims. | ||
| It's not fair to say that even a hijab is some sort of sign of oppression. | ||
| I don't want to get on a soapbox here and make an argument that, hey, a hijab is freedom, because that's a stupid argument to make, and it's a world that I'm totally outside of. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I do know a number of Muslim people, and a lot of conversations that I've had, it's a choice. | ||
| It's a choice you can make. | ||
| It's not really the biggest deal in the world. | ||
| It all comes back to, these guys have never met these people. | ||
| These guys have never met people. | ||
| It's like 12-year-old Christians wearing promise rings. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| To some extent. | ||
| They've never experienced any part of the actual world. | ||
| No. | ||
| These people have retreated inside of their fantasy world because they're afraid to go out. | ||
| Yet they yell that liberals are in bubbles. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| They're so mad that people sit in their rooms and play video games and yet at the same time they're sitting in with the fucking Proud Boys getting tapped on the shoulder. | ||
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Name five chocolate bars. | |
| Mr. Goodbar. | ||
| Pop! | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| Butterfinger! | ||
| Why was Mr. Goodbar the first one you came up with? | ||
| That's very weird. | ||
| Because it has peanuts. | ||
| I like peanuts. | ||
| It has chocolate. | ||
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All right. | |
| Is there anything more you need? | ||
| You're going to have to put down the mic a bunch for the segment that's about to happen, because it's so bad. | ||
| So at this point, I tweeted about this, and I felt really kind of bad about the tweet I made, because I felt like I might have been misaligning the conversation a tiny bit. | ||
| I didn't. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I will be the judge of that. | ||
| My unvarnished rage. | ||
| Well, it's within my very nature to second-guess points that I've made. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Even things I've researched or experienced, I still second-guess in question. | ||
| Like a cuck. | ||
| I tweeted that Mike Cernovich, Gavin McGinnis, and Alex Jones were having a rousing roundtable about how women secretly want to get hit by men. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I tweeted that and then I felt really insecure because some guy tweeted it at Mike Cernovich and I got really scared that I was going to have to defend it and I was worried that they would edit it out of the rebroadcast and I wouldn't be able to find the evidence. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Here comes the evidence. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| I want to say that I was a little bit wrong because they were specifically talking about feminists but at the same time... | ||
| Go fuck themselves. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And... | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| This is an act, a play that will come out in at least two acts, maybe three. | ||
| Here is the first one of it, and it's sort of about how feminists secretly want to be slaves. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Well, also, and I don't want to get too sort of family-friendly, but a lot of feminists do have very dark desires. | ||
| Fifty Shades of Grey sold a lot of copies, so there might be a little bit. | ||
| I want to say that this is Mike Cernovich. | ||
| Yeah, if women have any sort of sexuality, that means they're disgusting. | ||
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Great. | |
| Thanks, fucker. | ||
| I'm going to go back to the beginning because I wanted to point out we haven't really heard his voice all that much. | ||
| This is Mike Cernovich. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We've mostly had Gavin clips so far. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Cernovich has kind of been silently sidecarring him. | ||
| So this is Cernovich spouting his brand of misogyny and horrifying lists. | ||
| I will say he's a little bit more self-aware than the other two that'll play out in a second. | ||
| But this is him. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Well, also, and I don't want to get too sort of, you know, family-friendly, but a lot of feminists do have very dark desires. | ||
| Fifty Shades of Grey sold a lot of copies, and, you know, so there might be a little bit, maybe they like that dominant component of Islam, and maybe feminism, maybe... | ||
| They've suppressed it! | ||
| And we kiss their ass, so I don't respect this, but the pure dirtiness of it, they get off on like the slave brothel, and a lot of them, they want to have women in that position, so they want to be managers in Islam over the other slave women. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| So they're so repressed now that there's a counter-reaction. | ||
| They would say, well, I would rather be dominated by these people rather than deal with these beta males. | ||
| And Gavin, that's a smart point. | ||
| You make that point similarly. | ||
| Everybody really wants the strong alpha male figure. | ||
| The problem is not enough of them. | ||
| You just pointed that out. | ||
| It's a shortage. | ||
| It is our fault. | ||
| Men are not being men. | ||
| We cause this. | ||
| So there's the paradigm. | ||
| Then they see Islam and think, oh, that's a daddy. | ||
| So that's a smart point, as you screamed over that clip. | ||
| It's men's fault because we're not being real men and we're just dumb beta cucks. | ||
| So Islamic men are being real men? | ||
| Yeah, because they're beating the women, according to Alex. | ||
| I don't think that's really... | ||
| I feel like they don't know what they're saying at any given point in time. | ||
| Certainly not. | ||
| And I want to say, I'm not taking this unfairly out of context. | ||
| No, this is exactly what they're saying. | ||
| These are the words they're saying. | ||
| These are the words they're using to speak. | ||
| These are the words coming out of their mouths don't mean... | ||
| Fucking anything. | ||
| That's a minute long clip and it's full sentences. | ||
| It's not edited at all. | ||
| Mike Cernovich comes in and he says that because Fifty Shades of Grey and these ideas about consensual BDSM kind of fantasies. | ||
| The book sold most to middle-aged moms. | ||
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Old housewives. | |
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Who should be venerated. | ||
| But like, have you ever read like an old romance novel? | ||
| Like the ones with Fabio on the cover and shit like that? | ||
| I don't know if I've ever read a Fabio romance novel. | ||
| But a lot of those had similarly sort of aggressive fantasies contained in them. | ||
| It wasn't all just like... | ||
| Super romantic, flower-pedally sex. | ||
| Like, there was that sort of thread throughout romance novels through history. | ||
| Yeah, sexuality's a thing, and you should be allowed to experience it however you desire, and nobody should fucking judge you for it, and they can go fuck themselves. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| But then Alex relates it to, like, Islam, slave blocks, all this stuff, women wanting to be slaves, and here's where Mike Cernovich fucked up. | ||
| He said... | ||
| Oh, where? | ||
| Just the one place? | ||
| Well, because his point about this darker sexuality that feminists might be into, I think it's stupid, but there's something you could unpack in there that is kind of interesting. | ||
| This idea of power dynamics being played out consensually is kind of fascinating. | ||
| One thing I did know. | ||
| He's too dumb to really discuss it, but it is an interesting thing that goes on in society. | ||
| Well, he doesn't want to get too family-friendly. | ||
| No, and... | ||
| By describing all of these BDSM things that feminists secretly want from their Islamic managers. | ||
| By the way, how much do you get paid to be an Islamic manager? | ||
| 13 an hour. | ||
| Is it like a McDonald's manager? | ||
| Over 2 billion serves. | ||
| That's how Islam works, right? | ||
| But the idea of being submissive in your sexual life really has nothing to do with what you do outside of that. | ||
| And if you really want to talk about how these women secretly want to be a bit, all that stuff, then unfortunately what you... | ||
| You're going to have to talk about next is all these CEOs who go to dominatrixes. | ||
| No, you don't have to talk about that. | ||
| Talk about pony play that these guys get into and pegging and all this shit. | ||
| You don't have to talk about that. | ||
| That doesn't support your argument. | ||
| I have a couple friends who are dominatrixes, and they've told me stories leaving out people's names for privacy, but super powerful bankers and people like that who come to them and want to get beat, essentially. | ||
| They want to be punished. | ||
| Diaper play comes into it sometimes. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's a lot like if you are, you know, publicly a heterosexual man, you might want to join a club with a bunch of shirtless men who tap you. | ||
| And just tap you over and over and over again. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Tell me more. | ||
| What type of butter do you like? | ||
| Is it Land O 'Lakes? | ||
| That's the only butter anyone could come up with. | ||
| That's not the only butter. | ||
| I can't believe it's not butter. | ||
| That's margarine. | ||
| That's margarine. | ||
| Do you know what it's made of? | ||
| Butter. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think we could encapsulate our position. | ||
| That they should have gotten to but can't by saying sexuality is an incredibly complicated and fascinating fun thing. | ||
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And you should explore it however you desire. | |
| Live your life. | ||
| But it doesn't have anything to do with feminism wanting the patriarchy to come back. | ||
| It has nothing to do with this idea that Alex seems to keep coming back to that is white women are going with Muslim men because they want to be oppressed. | ||
| Because all these white men are not men. | ||
| They're cucks. | ||
| I have such a hard time just engaging with that thought. | ||
| It's so dumb that I've been ignoring it as much. | ||
| Like, you said it again, and it just kind of slides through my brain. | ||
| How do you even engage with something that makes so little sense? | ||
| That's kind of our show. | ||
| That is a good point. | ||
| That's kind of the whole thing. | ||
| You've destroyed me. | ||
| We just choose our spots. | ||
| So anyway, this next clip, we're going to get a little bit deeper into it, and I want you to put down the mic. | ||
| I'm going to let this play out. | ||
| All right, all right! | ||
| I'm going to let this play out throughout. | ||
| The subtitle of this episode is, Jordan, please put down the mic. | ||
| Put the mic down. | ||
| But here are the trends that I want you to keep an eye out for, the things that I think are the most interesting. | ||
| One is a generous use of the word metaphorical. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The second, and I think this is really key, is that Mike Cernovich has been burned. | ||
| And he knows what Media Matters is going to do with this clip. | ||
| And so he jumps in to save it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I actually think it's really smart of him. | ||
| And, like we've discussed, Media Matters is pretty manipulative sometimes with how they choose to cut clips in terms of where the start point is and where the end point is. | ||
| And I think Mike Cernovich is totally right. | ||
| Now, based on... | ||
| What I just said about his action in the last clip. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He's clearly on the wrong side of ideology. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| But he's smart in this instance. | ||
| In this particular case, he doesn't deserve to be hit by a truck. | ||
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No, he does. | |
| But in all other cases... | ||
| He still does. | ||
| He deserves to be hit by two trucks. | ||
| He's just smart about how he gets hit by the truck. | ||
| So he just wants to lose a leg. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Well, when they call us bitches and they say we're weak and they go, white men need to die, what they're really doing is haunting us. | ||
| And they're asking for a metaphorical now, not literal. | ||
| They're asking for a metaphorical slap where you go, psh, don't you dare talk to me like that. | ||
| Sean Connery, sometimes a woman needs a smack. | ||
| Right, what? | ||
| Sean Connery, that clip, he goes, sometimes a woman needs to smack. | ||
| You know, metaphorical, but yeah, we always got to be careful talking. | ||
| I've never smacked a woman. | ||
| I haven't found that actually works well. | ||
| Oh my God, this is getting clipped right now. | ||
| This is getting, I already know right now, this segment is going to, this is going to be the segment. | ||
| Culturally, culturally, I don't mean literally, but say you put on gangster rap at the club. | ||
| White women just flood the dance floor and they'll be saying things I can't say on this show about bitches and what I'm going to do to them. | ||
| And the women are just dancing their asses off. | ||
| They love testosterone and they're only pretend. | ||
| That they want these beta male allies. | ||
| They don't have sex with them. | ||
| There's nothing that makes a woman drier than a feminist man. | ||
| So, there we go. | ||
| There is nothing that makes a woman drier than a feminist man. | ||
| I think maybe one thing that makes them drier is guys discussing the moisture level of their puss. | ||
| That's one. | ||
| Also, hey, I want to say this. | ||
| Nothing makes my dick limper than women who scream about wanting the patriarchy to be in charge. | ||
| So how about that? | ||
| I'm pretty against that, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Or actually, my dick doesn't even play into it. | |
| I just run away. | ||
| I'm just like, oh, I don't want to talk to you. | ||
| I don't want to talk to you. | ||
| You're working against your own self-interest. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| But so this idea that they're talking about, Gavin is like, whenever these girls come up to us-On your OkCupid profile, it's, I'm looking for a woman who is inundated. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Good call. | ||
| So Gavin starts this off by talking about how whenever women yell at him, white men should die, blah, blah, blah. | ||
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All they really want is a reaction from a man. | |
| They want this man to stand up for himself and metaphorically slap them in the face. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| And then the point that's made from that is Alex Jones bringing up Sean Connery's quote, and then Cernovich jumping in and being like, metaphorically. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Sean Connery was talking literal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, Sean Connery. | ||
| Has slapped a woman before. | ||
| And that's what his quote was about, literally hitting women. | ||
| The times that he's hit women. | ||
| Now, Alex Jones comes in, and it might have been buried in that a little bit, but you can rewind this and listen to it again. | ||
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He said, I've never, I'm not hit women. | |
| I find that that doesn't work. | ||
| And then he mumbles, from what I've heard. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I don't know if he's hit women, but that's a bad quote. | ||
| That's a bad quote. | ||
| You know what a better quote is? | ||
| Don't hit women. | ||
| Yeah, but that's not one they can really say. | ||
| No, not really. | ||
| That wouldn't actually occur to them. | ||
| So then... | ||
| They would never have the thought in their brain... | ||
| Don't hit women. | ||
| So then Cernovich rightly is like, oh boy, we're getting into territory we can't defend, and he has to come in and be like, Media Matters is going to cut this, which he's right. | ||
| He's totally right. | ||
| And because he said those things, now it's not really as usable of a clip for them. | ||
| So he's kind of playing defense really smartly. | ||
| I mean, but how is that defense? | ||
| Like, if you put the whole clip on there, then all you're really showing is that these guys, Legitimately believe that what they're saying is fine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And one guy has the slightest amount of clever instinct to say, well, look at them choosing to report our words. | ||
| But he has the wherewithal to be like, guys, guys, this territory is not great. | ||
| We're in murky territory. | ||
| Here's one thing that I really want to make clear. | ||
| The inherent horrific racism of white women flood to the dance floor for gangster rap. | ||
| That is the South saying miscegenation is evil. | ||
| That is what that is. | ||
| That is pure... | ||
| Interracial dating and everything is wrong. | ||
| That goes along with just the idea of cuck shit. | ||
| I mean, that is entirely part and parcel of it. | ||
| It's like these rappers are animals and they exude masculinity and so ladies, these white women, gravitate towards them because us white men have been pussies for so long. | ||
| It's such nonsense. | ||
| It's fear. | ||
| It's just fear and impotence. | ||
| It's just this... | ||
| It's very sad. | ||
| It bums me out. | ||
| It is a bummer! | ||
| Yeah, and you're totally right. | ||
| One of the most important pieces of it is a deep-seated racism. | ||
| That is... | ||
| Yeah, if I was Media Matters, that's the clip that I talk about. | ||
| Because that is... | ||
| Pure racism. | ||
| And any argument that you could make about that not being racist or them saying, well, you know, I love every race and I don't believe in any kind of racism. | ||
| That is pure white man fear. | ||
| Well, now we could go back like six or seven episodes and you can find the clip of Gavin McInnes saying that most blackface was reverent. | ||
| So, I mean, he's the same guy. | ||
| Well, he's not wrong. | ||
| To be fair, he was Nigel McGinnis back then. | ||
| But, yeah, so, I mean, totally, totally. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| But it, anyway, Mike Cernovich is kind of smart again, which is like, I gotta steer this in another direction. | ||
| These guys are going off on a hitting women tangent. | ||
| We can't do this. | ||
| So, Mike Cernovich. | ||
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These guys. | |
| Oh, man, these guys. | ||
| Going off on that hit-and-women tangent. | ||
| I gotta be honest, I dislike him quite a bit, but from his instincts, I think Cernovich is smarter than Alex and McGinnis. | ||
| That's very obvious at this point. | ||
| So he decides, ah, you know what I can do? | ||
| I can shift this into talking about Alec Baldwin. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| Wasn't it Alec Baldwin who went on that rant against his daughter and was screaming at her and now he bashes Trump and calls Trump a misogynist? | ||
| He's like, you're a worthless pig! | ||
| He sounds worse than Mel Gibson. | ||
| No, he didn't. | ||
| First of all, no, he didn't. | ||
| Mel Gibson was yelling sugar tits and being anti-Semitic at a cop that pulled him over and he was wasted. | ||
| Also, also, back the fuck up. | ||
| Who gives a shit? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who gives a shit? | ||
| There's not a false equivalency. | ||
| No, but it's also... | ||
| You can't be like, well... | ||
| He said all of this shit, so immediately any criticism of Trump is worthless. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| But let's also back up and say that we don't really defend those actions in Alec Baldwin. | ||
| No, I don't defend anyone. | ||
| And I don't give a fuck. | ||
| We're not big Alec Baldwin fans. | ||
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No. | |
| And Anthony Atamanik is a way better Trump impersonator. | ||
| He's the best Trump impersonator alive. | ||
| Yeah, so we don't even support him in that. | ||
| Congratulations on your Comedy Central TV show. | ||
| We can't wait for that. | ||
| We assume that you are listening. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| So anyway, here we go. | ||
| My opinion, domestic abuse or the way he talks. | ||
| I'm just saying they're wanting to be truly put in slave brothels and smacked around and put on slave blocks. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, exactly. | ||
| I know how the fake news works now and how they're editing what they're going to do. | ||
| So, you know, we just got to make sure. | ||
| Alex Jones is a legitimate emotional abuser of women. | ||
| And yet he's on Saturday Night Live, a big show. | ||
| There's no advertising boycott. | ||
| Well, no, he reportedly smacks him around. | ||
| So I want to know why is Alec Baldwin allowed on Saturday Night Live to bash Trump? | ||
| Why we get taken out of context and lied about... | ||
| Because it's known Trump has never touched a woman either or not. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Bullshit! | ||
| So Alec Baldwin, the way he talked on that answering machine was just horrific. | ||
| And yet nobody's trying to advertise him. | ||
| Boycott his advertisers. | ||
| The left gives him a pass, Gavin. | ||
| Why do you think that is? | ||
| Because it's sports to them. | ||
| Donald Trump, it's known, has never touched a woman. | ||
| Out of line. | ||
| He's never hit a lady. | ||
| He's never raped his wife. | ||
| She never wrote about it in a book. | ||
| He's never publicly said that you should... | ||
| Grab a woman by the pussy. | ||
| He's definitely never walked into underage dressing rooms for his model shows. | ||
| He's never been the target of multiple, multiple... | ||
| Rape claims. | ||
| Sexual harassment lawsuits. | ||
| Sure, never, never. | ||
| Uh-uh, uh-uh. | ||
| It's known. | ||
| Never. | ||
| It's known that of all the men, none are more virtuous. | ||
| Also, I want to say it's kind of important that I think Alex just committed slander. | ||
| Because I don't know of any instance necessarily, and I'll be honest, I haven't fully researched Alec Baldwin's past, but he did just say Alec Baldwin hits women. | ||
| It is reported, I believe. | ||
| I don't know if that's reported, but that could be on the cusp of character assassination. | ||
| I still don't care. | ||
| The rest of the stuff is way more important. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Who gives a fuck what they think Alec Baldwin does? | ||
| These guys are fucking monsters. | ||
| They only care about Alec Baldwin because he impersonates Trump. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| That's the only reason they care at all. | ||
| And he is the liberal, like, he has the clip. | ||
| So it doesn't matter how many young women are leading the charge against this bullshit, because Alec Baldwin has a dumbass clip where he does bullshit shit. | ||
| They can then compare it negatively to fucking whatever it is they goddamn want. | ||
| That way they never actually have to engage with the fact that it's... | ||
| Fucking monstrous what it is they're saying, what it is they're doing, and how they're trying to take away agency from women, and all this horrific fucking bullshit. | ||
| The cancerous ideas that they're perpetuating on this show, and flippantly, is insane. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| And to be saying these sorts of things out of one side of their mouth and out of the other side, be like, I don't understand why people think we're racist or hate women. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| You don't understand the implied pieces of the things you're saying. | ||
| Because you're racist and you hate women. | ||
| But now we'll get to something that's a little more fun. | ||
| We're off the women chunk for now. | ||
| And we're going to get into Gavin McGinnis talking about how the left is dumb. | ||
| Do you know why it's good? | ||
| Do you know why I really like it? | ||
| Because I hate feeling self-righteous. | ||
| Like, I am not some sort of paragon of virtue. | ||
| No. | ||
| I have dumb thoughts. | ||
| I think dumb things. | ||
| We've both fucked up a lot in our lives. | ||
| I'm not some sort of high-road, self-righteous bullshit, but this is fucking horrific. | ||
| This is truly monstrous. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| This is going to get worse. | ||
| I promise you. | ||
| Great. | ||
| But for now, it's okay. | ||
| You know how I love it. | ||
| You know how you've already put me through the most anger I've experienced in many, many a year? | ||
| Proud Boys! | ||
| But for now, the king of the Proud Boys is going to come in and explain that the left is dumb, and that the right is all about facts. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And then Alex is going to say some facts, and then as soon as the clip is done, I'm going to tell you the real facts. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| So enjoy this clip. | ||
| This is going to be a fun rollercoaster ride. | ||
| You know, they followed Obama through everything. | ||
| They followed Clinton through the cigar incident. | ||
| That's their team, the Dallas Cowboys. | ||
| But one thing I love about the right, I mean, it's frustrating that we're fractured, but we're also rational and we're here for the truth. | ||
| So we drag your heels out when you lie to us or when you're a hypocrite or when you do something wrong. | ||
| They're not in it for truth. | ||
| That's why every time you ask them for a number, like how many legals are there or how much do we spend per student per year, they have no... | ||
| They don't have the remotest idea. | ||
| One woman told me there's 70 billion illegals in America. | ||
| So Alex Jones fake laugh there, but also one woman. | ||
| One woman? | ||
| Which woman told him there were 70 billion illegals? | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| A dumb person. | ||
| A dumb, a very dumb person who told him that. | ||
| Who might not exist. | ||
| It might just be a completely made-up thing. | ||
| Also, the people who like to inflate the numbers of illegal aliens, Not the right nomenclature. | ||
| You don't want to call people illegal, undocumented immigrants, whatever. | ||
| But be that as it may. | ||
| People who like to inflate that number are people on the right. | ||
| So someone's saying there's... | ||
| Do you mean that dude who said that three million illegal immigrants voted in the election, despite there being a just statistically impossible number of them? | ||
| You mean that weirdo dude on Twitter who had like eight followers and then the tweet got blown up? | ||
| Yeah, and then all of a sudden exploded? | ||
| And he's been interviewed on the news a bunch. | ||
| He's like, I got sources. | ||
| And then he never cited any of them? | ||
| Never cited any sources. | ||
| Yeah, that guy. | ||
| Never acknowledge the fact that that would be... | ||
| That's one of my favorite things that has gone very unanalyzed by, I think, most of the population is where that sort of myth started. | ||
| I might write something for the website about that just because of how stupid it is. | ||
| It's unbelievable. | ||
| But the idea that there's more immigrants undocumented than less is a conservative right-wing idea. | ||
| So someone's saying there's 70 billion. | ||
| It's probably a right-wing dum-dum that he's talking to more than a left-wing dum-dum. | ||
| Or just a fucking lunatic. | ||
| Just a dum-dum. | ||
| Somebody who does not know that there are only 7 billion people on this planet. | ||
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Right. | |
| So now we get to Alex Jones laughing. | ||
| Quite literally, that means that a lady told him... | ||
| There are more illegal immigrants than the number of human beings who have ever existed. | ||
| By a factor of 10. Yeah. | ||
| When you talk about the current population. | ||
| Well, and even if you're talking about the entire human existence, it's estimated at 50 billion. | ||
| But what about ghosts? | ||
| Damn it! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You always get me with ghosts. | ||
| 12-dimensional ghosts. | ||
| Shit! | ||
| I can't win! | ||
| Where we cut the clip, Alex was fake laughing, and now he's going to get into his rant about facts. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Here's the numbers she threw out. | ||
| And you realize, oh, this is all posturing to you. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| People posture intellectually because they have no data. | ||
| Then they call people that are informed conspiracy theorists. | ||
| That's how they have their past to not be informed. | ||
| Because there's 35 million illegals conservatively. | ||
| There's 7.5 billion people in the world. | ||
| There's 335 million in the United States. | ||
| There's 1.5 billion in China. | ||
| There's a billion point... | ||
| 0.5 in India. | ||
| They don't know any of this stuff. | ||
| They don't know the population of Latin America, 689 million. | ||
| They don't know the population of Mexico is 126 million. | ||
| But to them, though, that's just, oh, that's conspiracy theory. | ||
| He's just showing off. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Anytime somebody tells me the population of a place, I'm like, that's a conspiracy theory. | ||
| Right, that's stupid. | ||
| That's dumb. | ||
| That's really stupid. | ||
| That makes no sense. | ||
| No, but also, he's just rattling off facts. | ||
| But they're not facts. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| No, if you know five things, then that means everything you know is true. | ||
| Let me walk you through each one of these. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So Alex Jones said that the population of the world is 7.5 billion people. | ||
| And that is about correct. | ||
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Yes. | |
| So that one, I'll give it to him. | ||
| Let's go with it. | ||
| We got one on the board for Alex Jones. | ||
| Alex Jones said there's 35 million illegal immigrants in the country conservatively. | ||
| Conservatively. | ||
| So that would be roughly 10% of the entire United States population. | ||
| According to the Pew Research Center, there's 11 million illegal immigrants as of 2014. | ||
| But the trend has been moving downwards every year. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Even according to the wacky-ass website World News Daily, the figure in 2016 is 10.5 million. | ||
| So even according to right-wing wing-ding sites, it is a third of what he's saying. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And the actual number is probably right in there, 10 million or so. | ||
| Somewhere around there. | ||
| Which is a third of what he's saying. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| Chinese population, 1.5 million, uh, billion, excuse me, Alex says. | ||
| The actual number is 1.3 billion, which seems small, but that's billions. | ||
| Yeah, no, 0.2 million off, or no, 0.2 billion off, so 200 million people off. | ||
| Yeah, that's a bit. | ||
| I am willing to give him the bullshit roundup. | ||
| I'm going to give him the bullshit roundup rule. | ||
| I'm not, I'm not. | ||
| Because when we're talking in billions, that's... | ||
| 200 million people's off. | ||
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Gotcha. | |
| And the thing that's interesting to talk about when you talk about that is that the percentage of the world's population that that represents has been trending downward every year for a great number of years. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| So they are growing slower than the rest of the world is growing. | ||
| Well, I mean, their one-child policy has really backfired on them in that... | ||
| Because culturally they want more men. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now women outnumber men like in the dating age nearly 10 to 1. So of course their population is dwindling. | ||
| And it's going to continue to. | ||
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Yeah, exactly. | |
| So 1.5, it's more significant that he's... | ||
| 0.2% off because it's trending downward. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So he can't even be like, well, it'll eventually get there. | ||
| Because it probably won't. | ||
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No. | |
| It's only going to continue decreasing. | ||
| He says India's population is 1.5 billion. | ||
| The actual number, again, is 1.3 billion. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And the interesting thing there is their actual population growth has been trending downwards every single year since 1983. | ||
| I did not know that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So India's population is actually getting smaller percentage-wise every year. | ||
| Their growth has gone down. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So that, I mean, again, he's off by 200 million people, and the factors of what's going to happen in the future, off. | ||
| He says that the population of the United States is 335 million. | ||
| The truth is it's 326 million. | ||
| Not that far off. | ||
| I'm going to give him that one. | ||
| But if you're giving a test, like if you're in school and you're giving a test... | ||
| That's pretty substantial. | ||
| Yeah, I'm still going to give him that one. | ||
| It's significant. | ||
| I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt on that one. | ||
| He said the population of Latin America is 689 million. | ||
| What does he include as Latin America? | ||
| That's what's interesting. | ||
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That's a bullshit. | |
| The definition of Latin America. | ||
| What he really means is people who aren't white. | ||
| The definition of Latin America is a very nebulous thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you only consider South America and Central America, then the total is 603 million. | ||
| You have 177 million living in Central America and 426 million living in South America. | ||
| Now, if you add the Caribbean to it, if you add Haiti and Cuba, you come up to 626 million, which is still 70 million short of what he is trying to say. | ||
| I don't think you're going to be able to get that with weird... | ||
| Unaffiliated islands that appear around, you know, that have populations of like 6,000 or something like that. | ||
| Yeah, one volcano. | ||
| Now, if you want to say the difference between 689 million and 626 million isn't substantial, that's fine. | ||
| Except for the fact that he's using it to show off how much he knows. | ||
| Right, so that's important. | ||
| China, 1.5 billion. | ||
| I know that to be 100% correct because liberals, they don't know what to say whenever you say that you know the population of China. | ||
| And if they come back with a 1.3 billion, then you're going to be like, I'm only 200 million off and that's only what... | ||
| And then you hit women. | ||
| Right, but more to the point, I think the thing that's more important is that he has these facts that he's memorized that aren't accurate or are vaguely accurate. | ||
| And it's like a middle schooler trying to pass a test and hoping he's close enough. | ||
| And he yells about that. | ||
| He's like, when you know facts, everyone thinks you're a conspiracy theorist and blah, blah, blah. | ||
| It's like, no, that's not what's going on here, baby. | ||
| That's not what's going on. | ||
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Oh, baby. | |
| Also, you're wrong. | ||
| Alex Jones, come on, darling. | ||
| You know you don't believe that. | ||
| You know you just won't love? | ||
| He's wrong, but in a way that is way not as bad as them being wrong in this next clip. | ||
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Great. | |
| Most of the so-called refugees going into Europe were actually not refugees. | ||
| They went there for the best welfare. | ||
| This was a big story I broke, which was that... | ||
| 80% of the Muslim men in Europe are on welfare. | ||
| What the hell? | ||
| And moreover, when I went to investigate this refugee crisis BS, I found pictures where they told people, don't get fingerprinted in Denmark because they'll make you stay in Denmark. | ||
| You want to go to Germany and Austria for the big bucks, the welfare. | ||
| I kid you not. | ||
| So they actually are saying, don't go to Denmark. | ||
| Wait a minute, you're a refugee. | ||
| I've been to Denmark. | ||
| I could live in Denmark. | ||
| But if you're a refugee from a war-torn country, don't go to Denmark because they might make you stay there. | ||
| And let's not be mean. | ||
| It's admitted. | ||
| They have, like, hundreds of times increased birth defects because they come from inbred villages. | ||
| We're going to come back with Gavin McGinnis. | ||
| Muhammad said it was okay to marry your first cousin. | ||
| He was wrong. | ||
| Muhammad was wrong. | ||
| Sorry, guys. | ||
| You do that 40 generations in a row, and you've got a real serious problem on your hands. | ||
| That's worse than radiation. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Gavin McGinnis is coming up in the next segment. | ||
| So, we have a lot to unpack there, and I have a lot of facts. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So, Alex Jones screamed. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Mike Cernovich is coming in about this welfare stuff. | ||
| And Alex Jones comes in with this. | ||
| 80% of all Islamic men are on welfare. | ||
| I did a little bit of research into this, and what I was able to find is an article. | ||
| Ugh, you liberal conspiracy theorist. | ||
| I was able to find an article on FamilySecurityMatters.org by a gentleman named Dr. Sami Al-Rabi. | ||
| And the title of this is Turks in Germany are a time bomb. | ||
| And I found this article and I found some other articles that were talking about the 80% figure of Muslim men in Europe on welfare. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And they all link back to this article. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So this is our germination point. | ||
| It appears that way. | ||
| Now, I don't know. | ||
| There might be some other thing I'm missing, but it appears that all roads lead back to Rome, as it were. | ||
| This article has literally no citations in it. | ||
| It has no links to any studies. | ||
| It only has quotes from people that may be... | ||
| Telling the truth. | ||
| Do you know what the least manly thing you can do is? | ||
| Sight things? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| A real man. | ||
| So this guy says that very few Turks, Turkish immigrants, in Germany have a regular job, about 20%. | ||
| The other 80% live on the so-called Hearts 4 state social benefits. | ||
| 70% of their children have no education. | ||
| Essentially, they leave school before they finish basic education. | ||
| Now, the argument that this... | ||
| What the article lays out is that there's a scam going on with these immigrants that come in and for every child that they have, they get a certain amount from the state. | ||
| Oh, do you mean a very similar argument to one that was made about welfare queens? | ||
| Octomom! | ||
| Odd. | ||
| Odd how this pervasive lie would be used against any part or any parcel of immigrant population or any kind of demonized population that you can use to fucking unite a large group of assholes to vote against their own interests or even support things that are just fucking insane, like any number of genocides that have occurred over the years. | ||
| But yeah, let's talk about the Turks, which again... | ||
| He is citing that as all Muslims in all of Europe, and this article is only talking about the Turks in Germany. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But also, I want to say that I've read this article, and it doesn't really have anything concrete in it. | ||
| It has quotes from people who, like this. | ||
| It has piecrete in it. | ||
| Like this. | ||
| So, amazingly, this is a quote. | ||
| Amazingly enough, some Turks who live on the generous state benefits can afford to buy a house or an apartment and drive luxurious cars like Mercedes or BMW, says Klaus, a landlord whose tenants are a case in point. | ||
| It's a first name. | ||
| There's no way I will trust anyone named Klaus. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| It's not going to happen. | ||
| Klaus Kinski? | ||
| I would never trust him! | ||
| He's a lunatic! | ||
| Anyway, you get my point. | ||
| They have just first name people who are anonymous, random sources. | ||
| It tells an interesting story of these mooch queen immigrants that are coming in. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| But it's not based on anything. | ||
| I see no evidence of this. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| It's shoddy journalism. | ||
| And I want to say this, too. | ||
| This is on familysecuritymatters.org. | ||
| So I looked into it. | ||
| I looked at their Twitter feed. | ||
| Their most recent tweet was a... | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| A frustrated Israeli defense minister criticized the UN for ignoring the issue of Palestinians killing Palestinians. | ||
| Yeah, that's a really big... | ||
| That's a really big issue right now. | ||
| Yeah, let's not miss the forest for the trees. | ||
| Definitely don't want to worry about the Israelis committing an apartheid state across that. | ||
| No, definitely don't want to. | ||
| It's Palestinians killing. | ||
| You know, it's a lot like black-on-black crime. | ||
| You know, they're not talking about that. | ||
| They're just talking about how the cops are killing people all the time. | ||
| Not black-on-black crime. | ||
| All lives matter. | ||
| Dan, all lives matter. | ||
| You get the sort of sense that this is a website that... | ||
| It's a bullshit propaganda website. | ||
| And especially anti-Arab. | ||
| And this seems to be the root. | ||
| Again, I can't say definitively that's where all of it's coming from, but it seems like most of the articles that I could find linked back to this article that, again, had no evidence outside of unattributed quotes. | ||
| So I can't go on that. | ||
| That 80% number, I can't do it, bro. | ||
| I just can't. | ||
| So then, we get into... | ||
| All of the defects. | ||
| All of the child defects. | ||
| 100% child? | ||
| 100% more? | ||
| What was it? | ||
| What number? | ||
| What magnificently bullshit number did he use? | ||
| It's irrelevant. | ||
| They have so many more defects than ours. | ||
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Because... | |
| That's what the people are. | ||
| These fucking... | ||
| Every tiny little aspect of this is rooted in this deep-seated white supremacy that if they were ever to just fucking look in the goddamn mirror and see that for one fucking moment, maybe... | ||
| I have two things to burst this bubble. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| First thing is some statistics from the March of Dimes and from humanitarian organizations. | ||
| The March of Dimes? | ||
| That's actually The Merchants of Death. | ||
| I don't know if you knew that. | ||
| The MOD? | ||
| The MOD. | ||
| It's a great movie. | ||
| The instance of child deformities is about 3% in the United States. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And it is about 6% around the world. | ||
| Most of this has to do with malnutrition. | ||
| A lot of it has to do with a lot of countries not having access to vaccines. | ||
| Right. | ||
| These sorts of things. | ||
| Which cause autism. | ||
| And now one of the other things is when you talk about defects, just because it's a really big umbrella term, it can mean a cleft palate. | ||
| Which is not like it's nothing. | ||
| That's bad. | ||
| My oldest brother had a cleft palate. | ||
| It's bad, but it's not as severe as some other birth defects. | ||
| So all of that gets lumped in together, and the 6% can be a jarring number, but when you get down to it, some of them are things that are easily treatable, and some things aren't. | ||
| It's still not a relative quality to measure what you would call a race by. | ||
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No. | |
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| It doesn't matter if the birth defect population for the world is 10%. | ||
| If you are pointing to a specific subgroup of people and calling them the group of people that has the most genetic defects, that is never going to be based in any kind of statistical analysis, and it's always going to be based in bullshit, fucking xenophobic racism. | ||
| But I'm just a liberal trying to bring facts into this. | ||
| That's all. | ||
| I'm just trying to bring these statistics as best I can. | ||
| Such conspiracy. | ||
| You look like you secretly want to be dominated by an Islamic man. | ||
| It ain't secret. | ||
| But then Gavin McGinnis comes in and he's like, Mohammed said that you can marry your cousin. | ||
| And Mohammed was wrong. | ||
| I hate it. | ||
| I hate it when I hear that as a liberal cuck who just wants to be loved by the Islamofascist state. | ||
| I don't like to hear when Muhammad was wrong. | ||
| Well, here's the second prong of my busting of this bubble. | ||
| Is it that Muhammad didn't say that? | ||
| No, I mean, it's in the texts. | ||
| Oh, is it? | ||
| He did say you should marry your first cousin? | ||
| Well, no, I mean, it's in the Quran that people married their cousins. | ||
| Oh, yeah, well, it's in the Bible, too. | ||
| Bingo. | ||
| Genesis. | ||
| Super in the Bible. | ||
| I mean, fucking Noah's family just had to have a fuckfest the whole time on that boat. | ||
| Genesis 417. | ||
| Cain has a wife, though there's no account given where his wife comes from, excepting direct creation from God or in that area contained groups of people not mentioned in the Bible and that God didn't create. | ||
| The possibilities for Cain's wife are that she is either a full sister of Cain or that she was Cain's mother, Eve, or from some later generation of descendants, because time was really weird in the Bible and people lived to like 900. | ||
| Time is really weird. | ||
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And Elisha still isn't dead. | |
| In one of the tales, Abraham's son Isaac married Rebecca, his first cousin, once removed, the granddaughter of his father's brother Nahor and niece Melika. | ||
| By the way, right in there, his father's brother Nahor married his niece Melika. | ||
| So there's another instance of cousins banging. | ||
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Do you mean another instance of hot cousins banging? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Hot stuff. | ||
| That was Abraham's brother Nahor married his niece Milica, the daughter of his own brother Haran. | ||
| I mean, it just goes on and on. | ||
| Yeah, it's almost like if you took, you know, religious texts and went through them, you'd find a lot of dumbass shit. | ||
| Jacob married Leah and Rachel, who were both sisters. | ||
| Do you know what's the weirdest thing? | ||
| So my parents are of the hardcore Christian variety, and they have sung this song at multiple weddings that is about... | ||
| Isaac marrying his cousin, and at no point in time did they ever connect those dots. | ||
| Like, they never quite figured that out. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| As being like a, wait, maybe that's not a good thing! | ||
| Or even onward Christian soldiers. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| This is about killing Muslims. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In Genesis 38, Judah, the fourth son of Jacob, mistook his daughter-in-law Tamor for a prostitute while she was veiled and had sex with her. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| There's been a bunch of them where... | ||
| What was the one where the two daughters... | ||
| Yeah, the two daughters fucked their dad. | ||
| Well, because there were no suitable men around. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And so they got him drunk. | ||
| You gotta fuck your dad. | ||
| They got him drunk, and on two nights, they fucked him to get pregnant. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know. | ||
| But I mean... | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I'm gonna tell you this right now. | ||
| Muhammad was wrong when he said that Lot should have fucked his daughters. | ||
| There's just like a... | ||
| I mean, it is, again, that just goes to racism. | ||
| That goes to xenophobia. | ||
| It's pure racism. | ||
| Because all of these instances exist in religious texts. | ||
| Because, again, we talked about this before. | ||
| They were written fucking long time ago. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| People died when they were 20. Maybe we should just bail on them. | ||
| Maybe we should just bail on them. | ||
| No, I think there's something to be gained from them if you approach them with a metaphorical understanding. | ||
| If you don't get in, who cares? | ||
| Jordan, this is actually what we should end the show with. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But it's not what we're going to end the show with? | ||
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It's not. | |
| You're giving yourself notes during the show that you're not paying attention to. | ||
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No, no. | |
| I'm saying that we should end the show with this because it's how a lot of our shows end up ending. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| But there's so much worse shit after it that we have to keep discussing it. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| But this, guys, just know, listen to this. | ||
| This is how we would have ended the show if it hadn't have broken bad after this. | ||
| Other talk show hosts behind the scenes, not Gavin and others, the people I know are just like, I want to get off here. | ||
| This is horrible. | ||
| There's not enough to cover. | ||
| I've got like 20 incredible clips, hundreds of stories. | ||
| They're all insane. | ||
| And I'm not even going to any of them because he's talking about the world so amazing. | ||
| But I'll be honest with you as we go back to Gavin McGinnis. | ||
| But also, when he's saying that people want to get off the air, he has to be talking about like... | ||
| Oh, he's so want to get so... | ||
| No, he's talking about the other people who work at Infowars. | ||
| They're like, I can't handle this. | ||
| I can't do three hours. | ||
| What are we fucking talking about? | ||
| He's like, I got all these clips. | ||
| It's all crazy. | ||
| I don't cover any of it. | ||
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You're right. | |
| You don't cover any of it. | ||
| You brought us in to drunkenly ramble to your friend Roger Stone one night. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| You son of a bitch, Alex Jones. | ||
| Listen, I can do six hours. | ||
| Who cares, man? | ||
| Woo! | ||
| Listen. | ||
| Even Rob Dew doesn't like you anymore. | ||
| When you lost Rob Dew. | ||
| When you lost the Dew? | ||
| Rob Dew is the bellwether. | ||
| Anyway, here we go. | ||
| I feel guilty. | ||
| Because I'm so cheerful and happy and not even... | ||
| Showdown in North Korea. | ||
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Sorry about that. | |
| It's already 1.30 a.m. | ||
| Their time right now in North Korea. | ||
| They're preparing to test a nuclear weapon and launch missiles at Japan, according to Kim Jong-un's own statements. | ||
| Trump says if they fire a missile, he'll shoot it down. | ||
| But North Korea says they'll respond with a nuclear attack on South Korea, Tokyo, Japan, as well as the fleet or Armada, as Trump's calling it. | ||
| And I'm just sitting here calling on, oh, yeah, hey, yeah, let's go get steaks tonight or whatever. | ||
| So, people think I'm alarmist. | ||
| I'm being way too calm. | ||
| I'm going back to Gavin McGinnis in a moment about this. | ||
| Speaking of being calm here, they banned us off AdRoll. | ||
| Google's starting to restrict us. | ||
| The Democrats are openly calling for us to be banned. | ||
| We had like $3.3 million last year on AdRoll. | ||
| It was money we made to fund the operation. | ||
| It wasn't profit. | ||
| It was money we made to then fund this operation. | ||
| I go out and advertise outside the show to be able to pay for it. | ||
| Because I've learned they go out for sponsors. | ||
| Sponsors are fickle. | ||
| You know, whatever. | ||
| We have some great sponsors, especially on the network. | ||
| I have my sponsors, and that's you, the American people. | ||
| And so we're having a Christian, even if you're not Christian, it's politically incorrect to say it, holiday special for Easter of 30 to 40% off water filtration systems. | ||
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Jesus just wants you to buy a water filtration system. | |
| Great clean water for your family, your children. | ||
| It tastes so much better, it actually cuts off. | ||
| The Lord implores you to buy that water filtration system, and God slept upon the seventh day and said, that water has got to be run through that filtration system. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that was like Leviticus 12.7. | ||
| He said, that water's dirty, baby. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Clean that water up. | ||
| Listen, no rock badgers? | ||
| No shellfish? | ||
| Buy my filtration. | ||
| But, you know, that is how our shows generally end. | ||
| That is pretty much it. | ||
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You can say something really super serious and then, like, whoop, sales pitch! | |
| Because he's doing that, like, North Korea shit and being like, ah, I'm super cheerful. | ||
| Yeah, I do like how he... | ||
| And again, I... | ||
| Like... | ||
| It is very alarming. | ||
| We should all be very alarmed that both the United States and North Korea are threatening nuclear warfare. | ||
| It's really bad. | ||
| Yeah, but I mean, the more and more I think about it, and I mean, this is going to come out on Monday, so who knows what will happen on Sunday, but the more and more I think about it, the more I realize that it is just kind of two assholes yelling at each other. | ||
| This is kind of normal. | ||
| These exercises with South Korea... | ||
| Our normal. | ||
| It does happen every year. | ||
| The only thing that's different is we have a lunatic as a president. | ||
| And that makes it scarier. | ||
| You just hit the nail on the head. | ||
| That makes it scarier, but at the same time, it all could not end up going bad. | ||
| It could end up not going tits up. | ||
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It's possible. | |
| You and I both go back and forth on this, where a week ago you were texting me like, I'm afraid this North Korea shit is going to go down. | ||
| This is the one that does it for us. | ||
| Now you're telling me like... | ||
| You know, this kind of thing happens all the time. | ||
| I'm freaking out. | ||
| And a week ago, I was telling you the opposite. | ||
| We need to get on the same page on our nuclear alarmism. | ||
| Internally, I'm still freaking out a little bit. | ||
| But I think we can make it out of this. | ||
| I think it can be okay. | ||
| But I don't know what's going to happen next week. | ||
| Because it doesn't just become, hey, we're friends now. | ||
| It doesn't work that way. | ||
| At this point, I'm just tired. | ||
| Just like, guys. | ||
| Pick one. | ||
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If we're going to have nuclear war, just fucking get it over with. | |
| Don't do the brinksmanship. | ||
| Just be like, hey, either we're going to kill each other or we're not, and then let's move on from here. | ||
| Stop it with the edge play. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Let's come or not. | ||
| Let's just fucking blow the load. | ||
| Or not. | ||
| Our nuclear payload. | ||
| Blow it in your mother of all bombs. | ||
| And Muhammad, listen. | ||
| I'm coming for you. | ||
| All those birth defects probably wouldn't have happened if the mother of all bombs had been fucked. | ||
| Or if they just filtered their water. | ||
| 30% now off at Infowarsstore.com. | ||
| Now that would be a great transition. | ||
| If he pulled that one, I would give him an award. | ||
| See, I am great at the transitions, and this is another thing I want to point out. | ||
| Alex is terrible. | ||
| If you listen to that, he's like, I'm way too calm. | ||
| Speaking of calm. | ||
| Government's trying to take all my money. | ||
| That's not calm at all. | ||
| You're terrible at what I do. | ||
| Alex, you dick. | ||
| Stop trying to get in the transition game. | ||
| So this next clip is really dumb. | ||
| It illustrates another example of Gavin McGinnis not having a real story but giving an anecdotal source about something that proves his point but doesn't. | ||
| And then I want to get back on the other side of this and do some hole punching. | ||
| Information in America, all of a sudden it's available to everyone. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| That's why these millennials are the most red-pilled millennials in three generations. | ||
| They're 15% saying they're conservative, whereas before my generation and baby boomers, it was like 2% or 3%. | ||
| Let's talk about Generation Z. Generation Z. Millennials are either total cult members or awake. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Generation Z, though, I'm talking like 8-year-old kids everywhere run up to me. | ||
| I don't know what is going on. | ||
| What's happening with Generation Z? | ||
| You know, 8 years old to say 15 years old right now. | ||
| Yeah, well, you know, I talked to a kid the other day. | ||
| I had him on my show. | ||
| He's 15 and he works near the Coca-Cola factory. | ||
| I think that's in Idaho. | ||
| I can't remember. | ||
| But he said, the students are about half conservative. | ||
| The parents are like 80% conservative. | ||
| 100% of the teachers are hyper, hyper left-wing and tell us that we can't argue certain comments. | ||
| I said, well, will you get an F if you write an essay on how Greg Trump is? | ||
| He goes, no, no, I wouldn't be allowed to write it. | ||
| Like, you have to say what the assignment is. | ||
| You'd never be able to write that. | ||
| So, I just keep saying to these kids, get an F. Write the assignment that you want, do it well, and get an F. These kids, we have to show education that the free market of ideas is more dominant than your hysterical Marxist dogma. | ||
| And then call the newspaper when they don't let you publish it. | ||
| Call the newspaper when they block you. | ||
| Make an issue out of it. | ||
| Yeah, you know, newspapers, the true injustice is that they won't publish. | ||
| Pro-Trump articles from 15-year-olds. | ||
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Right. | |
| That is their true injustice. | ||
| I've said this about newspapers for years! | ||
| And publish is a weird word for an assignment in school. | ||
| You know, whatever. | ||
| I mean, like, I don't believe you. | ||
| I don't disagree with him. | ||
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Like, if that's what you believe, write it and get an F. Sure. | |
| To me, that has the ring of something you should do. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| Again, this is another example of a conclusion that's based on a false premise. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| The premise is wrong. | ||
| There's no way a teacher is like... | ||
| Oh yeah, no, you want to talk about Trump being good, you can't do that. | ||
| I mean, there have to be some teachers who would do that. | ||
| This is a human race, all things are possible. | ||
| I would bet that more likely it didn't fit the parameters of the assignment. | ||
| I imagine that that's the case. | ||
| I would bet that more likely... | ||
| It was a science paper. | ||
| Yeah, the fact that you can't wear American flag t-shirts in school anymore. | ||
| Is more to do with you being a horrible racist and not because they hate America! | ||
| Possibly. | ||
| We've proved that. | ||
| So I want to get into this. | ||
| Millennials do not skew more conservative than Democrat. | ||
| The numbers are actually down in past... | ||
| All across the board. | ||
| Past times that the Republican-Democrat party affiliation numbers have been taken. | ||
| As the education increases, the participation of the... | ||
| GOP decreases. | ||
| What's actually surged is independence, which is... | ||
| I think that's heartening. | ||
| I think that's probably the two of us. | ||
| Yeah, we fiddle back and forth. | ||
| I think we're definitely more liberal than conservative, but... | ||
| I think we're mainly... | ||
| We're not beholden to the Democrats or... | ||
| No, and they've let us down many times. | ||
| I think I would say we're more progressive. | ||
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Certainly. | |
| That has a different connotation than independent. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That very much has a different connotation than independent. | ||
| So, that is wrong. | ||
| Him lying about... | ||
| That's just a lie. | ||
| That's just a lie. | ||
| The Pew Research Center has very in-depth polls about millennial party affiliation, party leaning, those sorts of things. | ||
| And it's far more democratic and independent. | ||
| And independent could be libertarian, too. | ||
| Like, those sorts of things. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's possible. | ||
| But it doesn't bear out in terms of the statistics. | ||
| Now, when they're talking about Generation Z, when they're talking about the youth... | ||
| Generation Z? | ||
| I haven't heard that one before. | ||
| It's under millennials. | ||
| It's the young youngs. | ||
| It's the... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And... | ||
| It's the underbosses. | ||
| So that is a population that it's very difficult to get statistical information about. | ||
| Because they're 12! | ||
| Right. | ||
| They don't have... | ||
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It's really hard to get statistical information about 12. They have never voted before. | |
| Right. | ||
| There is not fully formed adulthood in them. | ||
| Not all of them are geniuses at six-year-old who feel like 85-year-old men. | ||
| It's incredibly difficult to get demographic information about them in terms of their political beliefs. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| However, there was one study that was done by the Hispanic Heritage Foundation. | ||
| They did a study where they polled, and just because it's the Hispanic Heritage Foundation doesn't mean it was all Hispanic kids or anything like that. | ||
| I wasn't going to say that. | ||
| I'm just saying it for the audience, just in case the word is a sticking point. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| They did a study of 14 to 18-year-old high schoolers. | ||
| They polled 5,000, I'm sorry, 50,000 students. | ||
| And here's what they found. | ||
| They found, overall, 34% were in favor of Trump. | ||
| 20% were in favor of Clinton. | ||
| 31% said they would not choose to vote in this election. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So that's overall. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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Overall. | |
| All righty. | ||
| Obama's job approval ratings, 41% approve, 25% disapprove. | ||
| No opinion, 28%. | ||
| Because they're children. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Direction of the country, positive, 7%. | ||
| Negative, 55%. | ||
| Smart kids. | ||
| Don't know, 34%. | ||
| Smart kids. | ||
| But again, you get back to... | ||
| The negative and the don't-knows, I agree with both of them. | ||
| All right, but Gavin's argument that Generation Z loves Trump... | ||
| Nonsensical. | ||
| Well, but you could... | ||
| And yet, more sensical than I would prefer. | ||
| You could take this 34% favorability for Trump and 20% favorability for Clinton out of the overall statistics and say that means there's an overwhelming conservative uprising that's going on. | ||
| They love Trump. | ||
| They love nationalism. | ||
| What have you? | ||
| Unfortunately... | ||
| But I would again say... | ||
| My argument there would be these are children who are greatly influenced by their parents. | ||
| And your Trump-leaning parents are going to be much more domineering in regards to what it is you're supposed to believe. | ||
| Jordan, can I do a better job than you at explaining this? | ||
| Because I've read the rest of this study. | ||
| I don't think you can. | ||
| I've read the rest of the study. | ||
| I think it's impossible. | ||
| They break down the statistics. | ||
| In the history of this podcast, you've never done a better job of explaining shit than me. | ||
| They break down the statistics even more. | ||
| Among African-American respondents, 7% Trump, 47% Clinton. | ||
| Who would have guessed? | ||
| 33% still would not choose to vote. | ||
| 33% still not going to vote. | ||
| Well, you know. | ||
| That's smart, though, too. | ||
| The government... | ||
| Not traditionally good to them. | ||
| Disaffected. | ||
| Asians, 18% Trump, 26% Clinton. | ||
| Hispanics, 12% Trump, 31% Clinton. | ||
| Now we get down to... | ||
| What do you think the numbers on white folk are? | ||
| Let's get down to it. | ||
| They specifically broke down the difference between white males and non-white males. | ||
| Shocker. | ||
| White males, 58% favorability for Trump. | ||
| Kill us all. | ||
| 8% Clinton. | ||
| Genetically engineered by Yakut. | ||
| 21% I would not choose to vote. | ||
| We're aliens. | ||
| Obama approval ratings. | ||
| 27% approve. | ||
| 45% disapprove. | ||
| White people are evil. | ||
| Non-white males. | ||
| 22% Trump. | ||
| 30% Clinton. | ||
| 34% I would not choose to vote in this election. | ||
| Obama approval rating. | ||
| 59% yes. | ||
| Approved. | ||
| 16% disapprove. | ||
| Kill us all. | ||
| That's very big. | ||
| No more white males. | ||
| That's very big. | ||
| It's bad for us. | ||
| 58% approval rating for Trump among white males. | ||
| 8% clip. | ||
| Do you know what's crazy about this show? | ||
| What's that? | ||
| For somebody who rails against white genocide so much, he's the best reason for why it should happen. | ||
| But do you know what he does? | ||
| He uses arguments and then doesn't engage with the rest of the facts in that argument that prove that he's wrong. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| It is truly insane. | ||
| This entire episode has been about him insinuating that all of the people most damaged by what he believes secretly want it. | ||
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They love it. | |
| They can't get enough. | ||
| That's the justification that they use for all of the evil shit that they do is that secretly everyone actually wants it. | ||
| The fact that the system itself... | ||
| Is built around supporting this miserable ideology. | ||
| Is what they use as evidence that the miserable ideology should be what's going on. | ||
| And the idea that this study, if you looked at it very loosely and didn't engage with what the actual study says and all the rest of the stats in it, the breakdown, you could say the youth are super into Trump. | ||
| And what the reality is, it's mostly white dudes. | ||
| The Hitler youth are super into Trump. | ||
| It's white dudes. | ||
| The rest of the people are not super into it. | ||
| The part that's actually disheartening in it is that white women are also fairly... | ||
| It's pretty close to even, but it is still slightly in favor of Trump. | ||
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What is it? | |
| It is white people genetically engineered by Yacoub. | ||
| And it's race somehow Trump's gender in terms of identity. | ||
| Anyway, this next... | ||
| Slew of clips, Jordan. | ||
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Slew? | |
| There's a slew? | ||
| We have like four, I think, coming up. | ||
| We're on eight and a half hours long in this podcast. | ||
| We're at 2.10. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| 2.10. | ||
| Two minutes ten. | ||
| Then we got plenty of time for a slew of monstrous clips. | ||
| The next four clips or so are all bigotry. | ||
| They're all just bigotry. | ||
| Straight up? | ||
| That they don't understand is dumb. | ||
| They don't understand it's bigoted. | ||
| And we'll just take it as it comes. | ||
| Just take it as it comes. | ||
| All right. | ||
| All right! | ||
| Even then, liberal colleges, I mean, high schools have giant banners that say, we need more queer families. | ||
| Why? | ||
| These kids are 14. Imagine if a heterosexual walked into a group of fifth graders and said, I'm going to teach you how to have sex. | ||
| That'd be called a pedophile. | ||
| No! | ||
| But as long as it's liberal, we need more white families. | ||
| I mean, there'd be hysterics. | ||
| There'd be riots in the streets. | ||
| They have gone so far left that they've fallen off the deep end. | ||
| I had a sex ed class in sixth grade. | ||
| That's one year off of his fifth grade assessment. | ||
| But also, I love the way he's phrasing it. | ||
| If some heterosexual just wandered in off the street and told him about sex. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| Also, I don't believe that there are banners that say we need more queer families. | ||
| I think it's probably something like, respect queer families. | ||
| Maybe something along those lines. | ||
| Not like, hey, how are we going to beef up our queer numbers? | ||
| How are we going to beef up our queer numbers? | ||
| No one's saying that. | ||
| All right. | ||
| That's a shirt. | ||
| You are so close to how are we going to queef up our queer numbers. | ||
| And I feel like you're wrong. | ||
| I feel like you're wrong. | ||
| How are we going to queef up our beer numbers? | ||
| That's a shirt. | ||
| 30% off right now. | ||
| You can get a free water filtration system if you buy our how do we queef up our beer numbers. | ||
| But that's just like... | ||
| Straw man shit. | ||
| That's so insane. | ||
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No, that's bullshit. | |
| That's nonsense. | ||
| Again, it doesn't... | ||
| That's made-up nonsense. | ||
| It's getting mad about nothing. | ||
| And, like, you chose the wrong year to be, like, fifth grade, because that is right around when health classes teach. | ||
| They put a condom on a banana and shit like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That happens in every school. | ||
| It's not like they teach you how to... | ||
| Like, they're like, okay, you want to be in missionary for a short period of time, and then you want to try from behind. | ||
| Now, that's usually better, but sometimes it's not always better. | ||
| So you want to come... | ||
| Communicate with your partner. | ||
| Maybe she's into some BDSM shit. | ||
| They don't teach about ass play. | ||
| They don't teach about some guys like a little tongue in the ass. | ||
| Maybe they fucking should. | ||
| Maybe they fucking should. | ||
| Maybe we'd all have better lives if everybody was being fucked right. | ||
| You know the reason they have to do that is that that is about the age that people start to reach puberty and sexual maturity. | ||
| And it's the responsible age to tell kids. | ||
| About that sort of thing. | ||
| It's probably a good idea. | ||
| So, Alex... | ||
| Instead of never speak about it at all to somebody who's been born in a cult and then they have to learn. | ||
| I'm sorry, Jordan. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| Sorry that your birth was prophesied. | ||
| This is very personal. | ||
| Alright, here we go. | ||
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Let's get into this next clip. | |
| We're not evil and it's funny when you talk to these guys about how evil we are and we're Nazis and we want to kill everyone and you listen to them and you go... | ||
| That sounds scary, these people. | ||
| They talk about a Trump's America where the disabled are at risk and gays are hiding in their homes scared of being killed. | ||
| And you go, Jesus, that sounds horrible. | ||
| It is. | ||
| I want to help you fight these people. | ||
| You do. | ||
| Welcome. | ||
| Join us. | ||
| Welcome, Nigel McGinnis. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| Bring the proud boys. | ||
| You're on our team now. | ||
| I'm sure that we'll agree with him for the rest of the show, right? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| He's joined us. | ||
| He's going to fight against Trump's America where gay people are huddling because they're afraid of what's going to happen to them. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And there haven't been as many overt overtures against the gay community necessarily in terms of his policies. | ||
| Except for North Carolina. | ||
| Well, that's just the GOP being emboldened. | ||
| And that's a problem. | ||
| But he really fucked up by choosing disabilities as one of them. | ||
| Why would you say that? | ||
| Because of Betsy DeVos. | ||
| Who is Betsy DeVos? | ||
| She's the Secretary of Education. | ||
| What is her plan? | ||
| She's really into voucher programs. | ||
| She's super into voucher programs, right? | ||
| Now, here's one of the things that people don't understand about voucher programs, and I'm taking this from AmericanProgress.org. | ||
| They have a very in-depth, very well-cited article about this. | ||
| To participate in many voucher programs, parents must sign away some or all of the protections and rights under federal law. | ||
| What's more, some states are not transparent about this stipulation. | ||
| For example, Florida's McKay scholarship requires students to forfeit their rights described above and that condition is not clearly stated in the information available to parents on the state's website. | ||
| Now when they say the information cited above, they're talking about special needs. | ||
| They're talking about the Americans with Disability Act. | ||
| They're talking about the needs. | ||
| Can you give me one situation where somebody has said, thank God I forfeited my rights? | ||
| No, not offhand. | ||
| Is there any positive situation where somebody's like, oh, Jesus, if I hadn't have forfeited those rights that I have... | ||
| I would be in such a... | ||
| Oh, I'd be in a pickle! | ||
| So now one of the rights that they sign away if they enter a voucher school is the right to a free and appropriate public education. | ||
| You should really have that right. | ||
| If you're going to get an education, the free and appropriate part, super important. | ||
| And here's what that entails. | ||
| Schools must evaluate children who they suspect to have a disability, classify their disability, and develop an individualized education program or an IEP, describing the appropriate placement and services that will help the children meet grade-level standards. | ||
| Some IEPs prescribe minimal services or accommodations, such as additional time to complete assignments, while others include more intensive services, such as the support from a one-on-one aide. | ||
| IEPs must be re-evaluated on an annual basis to determine if the student's needs have evolved and New supports or services are required. | ||
| This is part of the federal protections for disabled students. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is one of the things that you wave away in a voucher program. | ||
| You shouldn't wave that away. | ||
| No, because it's very important. | ||
| It's super important. | ||
| Because the idea of what a disabled student is is also really vague. | ||
| It could be someone with a mild behavioral problem, or it could be someone with Down syndrome. | ||
| It could be someone in a wheelchair. | ||
| There are all sorts of things that fall under that categorization. | ||
| Now, within the voucher programs also, because it makes it very difficult to deal with these students, because you have to create these IEPs, these individual education programs, because the federal law demands that, these private schools that you can get vouchers to get into can just deny students. | ||
| Because, oh, this would be an undue burden to our school. | ||
| We can't handle this. | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| And they can just say, no, we don't. | ||
| We don't want you. | ||
| We can just reject you as a student, which is really scary. | ||
| It's a really scary world that we could be entering into, and it's exactly what the person that Trump has made the Secretary of Education wants to do. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It's his vision of education for the future. | ||
| So, Nigel McGinnis, with your thing, he's like, oh my god, these people with disabilities are going to be screwed. | ||
| They kind of are. | ||
| They absolutely are. | ||
| It's going to be a very difficult world. | ||
| This is very concrete. | ||
| This isn't... | ||
| This isn't some weird fear. | ||
| This is based on facts. | ||
| This is based on a rejection of the federal standards that are made. | ||
| In her confirmation hearings, she seemed to be unaware of these standards. | ||
| She said that protections for disabled students should be handled on a state-by-state basis, not recognizing that these are federal mandates. | ||
| The Americans with Disability Act and the IDEA Act are both federal standards. | ||
| What is it with the fetishization of state-by-state basis? | ||
| Why would you want... | ||
| Why would it matter what one state wants to do with disabled kids as compared to another state? | ||
| States are easier to gerrymander. | ||
| Don't you... | ||
| Wouldn't you want... | ||
| Why would you want disabled kids to be treated... | ||
| Better in one place and worse in another. | ||
| Well, you don't actually want that. | ||
| You want businesses to make as much money as possible, and you want things to not cost as much. | ||
| No, I know the reality of it. | ||
| I know the underlying bullshit of it. | ||
| The reason you want... | ||
| What is your possible, like, just... | ||
| Human explanation for why you would want to do that. | ||
| The state-by-state part is that states are much easier to control legislatively than the federal government. | ||
| No, and I know, and again... | ||
| Even on the Democratic side, Illinois is super... | ||
| I agree with your cynicism, because that's the reality. | ||
| I'm just trying to communicate with their propaganda. | ||
| Where's the compassion? | ||
| How could you possibly sell that? | ||
| Like, what... | ||
| What possible way could you say that, like, is your argument that maybe you want disabled people all to move to a state that treats them better? | ||
| Like, is it some sort of free market situation where if Illinois treats their disabled kids better, more disabled kids are going to move to Illinois? | ||
| And that means that what? | ||
| What? | ||
| Possible benefit could be achieved by making it a state's rights issue. | ||
| You fucking cockbag. | ||
| Well, because I have to speculate, because I'm not really in that head, and I think that is insane, I would say that possibly their argument would be that if these disabled kids stop getting such a fucking free pass, they'll have to work harder, and they will learn how to succeed. | ||
| They've been coddling these disabled kids for too long. | ||
| In the same way... | ||
| No, hold on. | ||
| In the same way that they're making this argument about cucked out white males, all betas and shit like that, I think that most of... | ||
| I would not think it's too far a bridge to cross for us to say that... | ||
| Possibly they don't believe a lot of these disabilities are real, and that if people are forced to stop faking it in their perception, then all this autism would go away. | ||
| All this Down syndrome would go away. | ||
| So it's that kind of bullshit like, oh, when I was a kid, you weren't called ADHD, you were called an idiot. | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| That whole idea. | ||
| That if you just ignore this kind of situation... | ||
| Then you'll be forced to assimilate into this. | ||
| Somewhat, yeah. | ||
| And by individualizing this, you are, what, like, validating it? | ||
| You're supporting it? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Like, it doesn't... | ||
| We have now entered the area where I can't further defend it with the hypothetical, because I don't know. | ||
| Yeah, this is all insane. | ||
| This is all cruelty masquerading as a constitutional issue. | ||
| Yeah, but it's always been. | ||
| We need to separate the federal government from the state's government. | ||
| It's just a masquerade of, we should allow certain people to be cruel because that's what they believe in. | ||
| Which is so insane to me that they can't then make that one... | ||
| Tiny fucking leap to all of their arguments for their Islamophobia. | ||
| Like, that's exactly what they're doing. | ||
| They're saying, oh, Islamic people want to be treated differently based on their cultural ideology and their belief system. | ||
| And we think that that's evil and everybody in America should be held to the same standardized American set of values. | ||
| But at the same time, that American set of values should be separated between the federal government and the state's government. | ||
| Which means, really, what you're saying is that Alabama rights should be different from fucking Islamic rights. | ||
| It should be different from fucking Illinois rights. | ||
| It's all a made-up, nonsense, bullshit way of saying, I don't care about anybody but people who look and act exactly like me. | ||
| Somewhat, yes. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| And if you do not call it that, if you do not... | ||
| Fucking commit to that reality that Betsy Devos is literally saying every single day of her goddamn life, I could give a fuck if you don't look exactly like me, act exactly like me, and hold the exact same set of values as me. | ||
| You deserve to be treated like shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't deserve the protection. | ||
| That's what that is. | ||
| There's no other explanation for it. | ||
| There's zero other possible, reasonable explanation. | ||
| Now that's a fun thought that you just gave me through that rant, which I agree with you. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| No, that was great. | ||
| I'm going to be very calm now. | ||
| I'm going to do an impression of Alex Jones. | ||
| Well said. | ||
| I'm so calm. | ||
| I'm so calm. | ||
| Just to remind you, Google is taking away all of our money. | ||
| It is 30% off of, we need to queef up the beer chutes. | ||
| I'm so calm right now. | ||
| One of the fun thoughts that came to me during that rant was that, like, now let's say, apropos of nothing, Arkansas decided they wanted Sharia law. | ||
| Right. | ||
| States' rights. | ||
| States' rights. | ||
| Would say that they should. | ||
| Are they now going to defend that? | ||
| Like if, let's say, white people in Oklahoma said, like, or Arkansas said, we want Sharia law, states' rights. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Of course they would defend that. | ||
| No, they wouldn't. | ||
| No, in the same way that when the Satanists wanted to put up a statue of Satan right next to the Ten Commandments. | ||
| All of the people who are about religious freedom said, we absolutely support that. | ||
| We love the Satanists. | ||
| They totally did. | ||
| They absolutely did. | ||
| Remember how hypocrisy isn't real? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Remember how no one in the fucking... | ||
| God, I... | ||
| This next clip... | ||
| Look, I don't want to be... | ||
| Jordan, we have to move along. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| We have to move along. | ||
| And I... | ||
| I'm hesitant... | ||
| You know, all I really wanted to hear was that I'm right. | ||
| You're right. | ||
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Dan. | |
| That's all I wanted to hear. | ||
| Because my mom kicked me off her knee. | ||
| This next clip legitimately might make you more mad. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| I'm going to throw the microphone across this goddamn room. | ||
| That's what's going to happen right now. | ||
| At some point I might just have to hold the mic. | ||
| This next clip is about liberals treating... | ||
| On the last knowledge fight, Jordan has an aneurysm. | ||
| This is about liberals treating populations as pawns. | ||
| Where do you and your crystal ball see this fight going? | ||
| Because they think they're tripling down with more brainwashing that somehow that'll fix their system. | ||
| I think it's accelerating their collapse. | ||
| Yeah, they've painted themselves into a corner. | ||
| They keep choosing stupider and stupider pawns in their chess game. | ||
| First they chose trans, and they said, these are our new oppressed, and we're going to use trans. | ||
| They tried blacks, but blacks didn't get with their pro-gay stuff. | ||
| So they said, all right, you're out. | ||
| We're going to go with trans. | ||
| And you go, uh, a lot of those guys are just mentally ill gays. | ||
| I'm not sure you want that on your front lines. | ||
| And then the trans start winning all these women's sports. | ||
| And they go, uh, that's not working out. | ||
| We have a female MMA fighter who was a man just pounding the crap out of a woman. | ||
| And you go, ooh, we're getting a little more violence. | ||
| Yeah, what is that? | ||
| We're suddenly all over. | ||
| They are accepting men in female sports when they're men. | ||
| And they're obviously cheating. | ||
| It's so crazy. | ||
| I want to make the joke about the gay stuff at the very beginning. | ||
| I'm not against anybody. | ||
| Then they say, all the news, I'm this homophobe and make up all this weird crap because I point out that chemicals in the water are making the amphibians gay or whatever. | ||
| Gay or whatever. | ||
| Gay frogs! | ||
| But also gay or whatever. | ||
| You know. | ||
| Real scientific. | ||
| Gay or whatever. | ||
| Real good job. | ||
| Gay or whatever. | ||
| That's super offensive. | ||
| You know what my main issue with the trans community is? | ||
| Gymnastics. | ||
| That they're just mentally ill gays, as Gavin says? | ||
| They're just, they're beating us, they're beating our regular women. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| At gymnastics. | ||
| Cis is the right term, I believe. | ||
| Yeah, our cis women. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| I hate it when I'm watching some women's basketball. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I see a guy wearing a wig, like that movie, where that guy wore a wig. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Tootsie? | ||
| Look, I want to make one point crystal clear. | ||
| I think that there is an interesting discussion that will have to come up in terms of trans athletes. | ||
| Because in terms of musculature and those sorts of things, it is an interesting, you know, the purity of the turf kind of argument. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| That's very minor in terms of... | ||
| Do you mean in terms of human beings being allowed to have rights? | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| So that part, I get where Alex is coming from, but it's so... | ||
| It's not even tertiary. | ||
| It's way beyond that. | ||
| Well, I think in the Congress, women should be represented by... | ||
| They're draw at professional softball games. | ||
| I think that makes perfect sense, right? | ||
| Like, men draw more for baseball games. | ||
| This is all that we need to know about gender. | ||
| Now let's take a step back and get into Nigel's argument where he's like, so the liberals tried blacks, but they weren't in on the gay agenda, so they moved on to trans, and now trans people are just mentally ill gay people. | ||
| They're like, ooh, we don't want that. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| What is he talking about? | ||
| That's not based on anything. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| I can't understand. | ||
| Liberals still very much support African American issues. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| They've not abandoned anybody. | ||
| Also, the black community as a whole isn't against gay people. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| That's an absurd premise. | ||
| The idea that trans people are now the new blacks is stupid and reductive. | ||
| The idea that trans people are mentally ill gays is offensive. | ||
| You're just an idiot. | ||
| You're just a blowhard fucking idiot, Gavin. | ||
| Grow up. | ||
| It is... | ||
| It is this, like... | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| The Proud Boys love it. | ||
| It's such a reductive concept, not least of which for us to engage with. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Because then we have to... | ||
| Like, the trick to that is now we are separating these groups as well. | ||
| When what it really is, is I don't give a fuck. | ||
| If you're oppressed, that's a big deal. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| It doesn't matter if there's a... | ||
| Because what he's trying to do is conflate the fact that there is a cause du jour, so to speak. | ||
| Right now... | ||
| When you look at North Carolina, your first thought is we need to stop them from doing this trans bathroom bill, that whole thing. | ||
| That does not mean that I have changed my mind on whether or not Chicago cops need to stop fucking killing black people or torturing people, which is what they're doing. | ||
| This is all under the umbrella of these white male fucks are suppressing all of these different groups because, again, they don't look. | ||
| And act like me. | ||
| Well, what it comes down to, too, is this idea that seems like sacrilege to people like McGinnis, that is, we can keep multiple thoughts in our head at the same time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not really difficult to be worried about the oppression of trans people and black people at the same time, and then throw Hispanics in there, too. | ||
| No. | ||
| Throw everybody in there. | ||
| Because at the root of it, it is the same oppression. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It is tendrils of the same oppression. | ||
| And the problem is that it is very much a war that is being fought on multiple fronts. | ||
| So no matter where it is that oppression is hitting, we're trying to fight back. | ||
| And it just so happens that unfortunately we're influenced by the media, the news of the day. | ||
| And I don't mean like the news media so much as somebody does some shit. | ||
| And it makes it on Twitter. | ||
| And then there's 10 million people who have to respond to this on a daily basis. | ||
| And it's unfortunate that we can't focus for a full year. | ||
| Imagine if liberals could do triage. | ||
| Everyone's addicted to doing hot takes. | ||
| They're just addicted to being like, or here's my pun about this social ill or whatever. | ||
| Imagine if we could do triage where it's like, hey... | ||
| The first thing we need to do, and all of these other problems are serious and real and devastating, but the first thing we need to do is get equal pay for equal women. | ||
| Imagine if we could just focus on that. | ||
| Just every single person, every single day, the only thing we do, the only thing we talk about is this until it gets done. | ||
| Then we go to the next thing. | ||
| Then we go to the next thing. | ||
| If we could do this triage, because that's what the GOP does better than anybody else. | ||
| That's definitely true. | ||
| That's really what they do, is they focus, they fixate on one thing, and that's all they talk about. | ||
| Anti-abortion. | ||
| They fixate on restricting women's rights, to the point where the healthcare law... | ||
| The fucking tax code? | ||
| The fucking military budget? | ||
| All of this stuff comes back to them trying to restrict women's rights. | ||
| Can I make an argument for why it's kind of impossible for liberals to do that united front? | ||
| I'm not saying that it's possible. | ||
| The reason why I think it's impossible is most of the issues that are being discussed are legitimately life and death for different communities. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| So when trans people are like, hey... | ||
| Especially trans women of color are getting murdered a ton. | ||
| A lot of trans youth are committing suicide. | ||
| It's not negotiable for them to be like, oh yeah, let's get the pay gap down. | ||
| It's difficult for them to be like, this has to be our number one issue. | ||
| It's life and death. | ||
| And then you have the African American community who are like, cops keep killing and beating the shit out of us when we do nothing. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| And it's difficult to switch focus for them off of that. | ||
| That's what becomes very difficult. | ||
| There are life and death issues legitimately on the left for all of these communities. | ||
| And I absolutely should have no say in what it is we focus on first. | ||
| And you're absolutely right. | ||
| But you also chose that gap issue arbitrarily. | ||
| You didn't mean that specifically to be the first one that's taken care of. | ||
| But that's why it's difficult to have consensus and unified movement, is that there are a bunch of allied And of course the reason that the GOP can unite so much is because it is old fucking white people. | ||
| And because they're fighting against, you know, like you said, tax code. | ||
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Yeah, it's all the same group of people. | |
| The GOP is a block of the same people. | ||
| Whereas the left is a block of everybody. | ||
| And they're fighting... | ||
| For lives, whereas most of the time, the right is fighting for, I don't want to make a cake for a gay dude, or I want to save money. | ||
| And it's much easier to team up when those are your issues. | ||
| It's harder when you have blocks of people. | ||
| I mean, really what it comes down to is we have the most corrupt government in the history of the United States because some people want tax cuts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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That's really what it comes down to. | |
| And just to be fair, so we're not super easily attackable, shit wasn't great. | ||
| Like, it wasn't perfect under Obama either. | ||
| There's still... | ||
| No, there's a shit ton of stuff. | ||
| He didn't prosecute Wall Street in the way that should have happened immediately following the crisis. | ||
| He didn't fucking execute any number of... | ||
| He expanded the power of the executive government to commit fucking war crimes. | ||
| Against countries that we have no business being without congressional oversight. | ||
| So, of course, Trump is going to abuse these very same things that Obama himself led to. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| To an nth degree. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Truly. | ||
| So, look. | ||
| A lot of the mistakes that Obama has made have come back to bite us in a way because none of us ever expected a... | ||
| Trump presidency. | ||
| Them chickens, they roostin'. | ||
| They came home to roost. | ||
| So let's get through some of these clips. | ||
| This is going to be painful, but let's just do it. | ||
| Well, they keep screaming at me. | ||
| You need to love me more. | ||
| You need to accept me. | ||
| You need to bake me a cake for my... | ||
| He's talking about the gays. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| And I go... | ||
| We're not homophobic. | ||
| We don't care. | ||
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Yes, you are! | |
| When I grew up, there was Liberace dancing around with his rings and we had Paul Lynn going... | ||
| And he shows me at the YMCA going, I love to go to the YMCA and meet boys and make out with men. | ||
| And we all went, that's a catchy tune. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| But then they start saying, no! | ||
| Love me! | ||
| And we go, whoa, whoa. | ||
| You need to calm down. | ||
| I don't care what you do. | ||
| So it's an act of bullying. | ||
| So what happens to them is they've made this giant generation... | ||
| Of just jellyfish that are all into their pity parties and their grandstanding. | ||
| What happens to them as the whole reality turns against them? | ||
| Well, here's the thing. | ||
| So they went black, no, didn't work. | ||
| Trans, no, didn't work. | ||
| Now they've gone full Muslim. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| First of all, that's an evolved understanding of gays. | ||
| Never go full Muslim. | ||
| Never. | ||
| But, like, that's a really fun, like, hey, back when I was younger, we had Liberace with his fun caricatures. | ||
| And it was fun. | ||
| These fun gays like Paul Lind. | ||
| And now they want to be treated like humans instead of cartoons. | ||
| Un-fucking-believable. | ||
| And I'm like, I don't give a shit, man. | ||
| Do whatever you want to do. | ||
| That clip was called Evolved Understanding of the Gays. | ||
| Un-fucking-believable. | ||
| How do you live like that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But now we get into a clip called Evolved Understanding of Supporting Muslims. | ||
| What it means to support Muslims. | ||
| And this is going to end with what I would call an ice-cold take. | ||
| A take that will not age well. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Yeah, look, to thwart daddy, to make us mad, to make us cringe, they crawled into bed with people who hate them. | ||
| And they've also been building a bubble around themselves where they need safe spaces. | ||
| And you go, well, you're a human recipe for disaster. | ||
| You said, I want to be weaker and weaker and weaker and make myself more vulnerable. | ||
| And then I want to get into bed with people who hate everything I stand for and want me to die. | ||
| Good luck with that. | ||
| Bye! | ||
| So how does it shake out? | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| How does it end? | ||
| They lose. | ||
| They come crawling back on their knees to Trump, and they learn to shut up because they don't know what they're talking about. | ||
| Yeah, that's probably how it's going to shake out. | ||
| God, I wish he went to Berkeley. | ||
| No, this is Gavin. | ||
| I wish he went to Berkeley. | ||
| I wish he went to here. | ||
| I wish he went to a place where somebody... | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I want to make this totally clear. | ||
| I would be welcome. | ||
| I would welcome... | ||
| Either Mike Cernovich or Gavin McGinnis. | ||
| I'd talk to them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It would be fun. | ||
| I want to believe I am a person who wouldn't stoop to violence, but God, listening to that makes me want to stoop to violence. | ||
| Yeah, it's easy. | ||
| It's easy to see how he gets hit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not hard. | ||
| It's such a simple, and it makes me aware of my own toxic masculinity. | ||
| Where my first response to that is violence needs to occur. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that, of course, has to do with the fact that I was raised where if you did something wrong, you got fucking hit. | ||
| It's the code of the streets. | ||
| Talk shit, get hit. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, but that's how my parents raised me. | ||
| It's the code of the cult. | ||
| Talk shit, get hit. | ||
| So it is something that just like my response to that. | ||
| Is part of the culture that perpetuates them. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That's really what it is. | ||
| And I want to be better than that. | ||
| But they're the unexamined version of that. | ||
| The reason that you don't... | ||
| End up hitting him. | ||
| First of all, because he's not here. | ||
| But secondarily, even if he was here. | ||
| If he was here? | ||
| You haven't had that much wine. | ||
| You still wouldn't hit him. | ||
| I think there could be a conversation. | ||
| It would devolve into yelling, undoubtedly. | ||
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What? | |
| With me? | ||
| You might bark at him. | ||
| I would never. | ||
| But that's the difference between really understanding these negative impulses and saying, oh no. | ||
| These negative impulses are what makes me great. | ||
| That's what makes me mean. | ||
| That's my masculinity. | ||
| I just don't know. | ||
| I listen to this and I worry that my reaction is exactly what they want. | ||
| It's exactly what will perpetuate this behavior that I'm doing all of this shit. | ||
| Well, we're also laughing at them. | ||
| I don't think that's what they want. | ||
| It really does support this... | ||
| Like, central idea of, like, I am not part of the solution. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, that's really what gets to me. | ||
| It concerns me whenever I hear their rhetoric and I think that the way to respond to it is with what it is that they're doing. | ||
| Whenever you have thoughts like that, just take a second and reflect. | ||
| That he started a group called the Proud Boys. | ||
| Good point. | ||
| And just be like, okay, that takes the piss out of him a little bit. | ||
| It sure does. | ||
| You know, like how your parents... | ||
| Why would I fight? | ||
| Why would I want to fight? | ||
| How parents would be, you know, like they'd tell you stories about the monster under your bed. | ||
| It's like, well, actually, you know, he's afraid of cats. | ||
| You're absolutely right. | ||
| It takes a lot of the sting out of him when you recognize he started a... | ||
| Well, what defeated the KKK in the 50s really was the Superman radio show. | ||
| Because one of the writers for the Superman radio show infiltrated the Ku Klux Klan, and that was Superman's enemy for a long time. | ||
| They were the enemy of Superman. | ||
| How would you... | ||
| Why would you join a club... | ||
| He's the pillar of Americanism. | ||
| Yeah, called the... | ||
| With the Grand Dragon and all of that dumb shit when Superman is fighting against you. | ||
| Proud Boys! | ||
| Proud Boys! | ||
| So we have a couple more clips. | ||
| So why would you join the Proud Boys if noted satirists' knowledge fight are mocking them? | ||
| And, listen, this next clip... | ||
| We have two more clips. | ||
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Oh, boy. | |
| This next clip... | ||
| I don't know what it is about. | ||
| I have completely lost track of what it is. | ||
| I titled it incredibly poorly. | ||
| It just says, definitely not stupid. | ||
| I think I labeled... | ||
| I'm assuming that was sarcastic. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I'm assuming that. | ||
| We don't have Title IX crap or any of this legislation that supports their mythical view of America. | ||
| And they just sort of peter out. | ||
| They just learn to shut their mouths and they get back into art and music and fashion and the other things they're good at. | ||
| Oh, they claim they're good. | ||
| So that's what it is. | ||
| It's a bunch of beta losers trying to be dominant. | ||
| Because dominance, we're taught it wasn't going to be dominant. | ||
| So we stood down, and then all the betas come in. | ||
| Yeah, imagine a bunch of 10-year-old girls got into British soccer, into football, and they went down for a row with Man United and went, Oi! | ||
| You got a problem? | ||
| Oh, bloody ape, man, you! | ||
| And they started head-butting soccer hooligans. | ||
| That wouldn't last for very long, and those little girls would go back home. | ||
| And that's what we're going to see within the next few years. | ||
| That's definitely not stupid. | ||
| I would argue that is the antithesis of stupid. | ||
| Do you want to try and track that sentence? | ||
| Not mine, his. | ||
| What did he say? | ||
| So he was talking about... | ||
| I heard all of his words in order. | ||
| So he's talking about these beta cuck losers. | ||
| I know they came out of his mouth. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Do words mean things? | ||
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No. | |
| You keep thinking that. | ||
| This is where we keep getting into trouble. | ||
| So he's talking about these beta cuck losers who are trying to get involved in politics and what have you. | ||
| And he's like, eventually they'll figure it out, leave it for the men, and they'll go back to art. | ||
| And home decorating. | ||
| That's clearly homophobic. | ||
| And Alex Jones correctly said that it's actually straight white men who are good at all of those things. | ||
| Yeah, they're much better than it, but they're suppressed in those fields. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| We don't want them there. | ||
| And then Gavin McGinnis makes the stupid analogy of ten-year-old girls going to a soccer hooligan match and trying to start a fight. | ||
| Adopting British accents a la Madonna. | ||
| Oi! | ||
| That's your British accent? | ||
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No, that was his. | |
| He did that. | ||
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Oi! | |
| You gotta play your football! | ||
| That's actually the most offensive part of that clip for me. | ||
| That was a very offensive British accent. | ||
| Not for me. | ||
| I don't appreciate it at all. | ||
| So, I mean... | ||
| Okay, so if you track what his analogy was, it was that liberals... | ||
| What was that analogy? | ||
| Liberals in the political sphere and in this... | ||
| Protests fear. | ||
| They're very weak. | ||
| Ten-year-old girls as opposed to the soccer hooligans that are the Proud Boys. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| So his point was that liberals were punching outside of their weight class. | ||
| As we know, they punch like, I'm a liberal. | ||
| Yeah, we talked about that earlier. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| So yeah, that's basically what he's saying. | ||
| And they're going to get the shit kicked out of them and then eventually go back to home decor. | ||
| All of the arguments and all of the clips that we've heard so far... | ||
| Eventually boiled down to liberals are incapable of fighting on our level. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And they mean that in a very physical sense. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| They don't ever mean that in a... | ||
| Like, even when Alex was trying to say that... | ||
| You should metaphorically hit women? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or when he was talking about how they consider him a conspiracy theorist because they don't want to engage in his ideas and he just rattles off numbers that aren't real. | ||
| No, that aren't correct, technically. | ||
| It's all coming back to we need to be able to punch our problems away. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, this is something that we were texting about last week was that I'm coming to the conclusion that Alex Jones thinks fact-checking is censorship. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| It is this idea that he thinks that might makes right. | ||
| And if you are saying that he's wrong and you have evidence to prove it, you're bullying him. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| And the only way to respond to a bully is we know Alex puts them in comas. | ||
| He beats the shit out of them. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| And so that kind of is all... | ||
| And if that bully's a dog, oh man. | ||
| Woo! | ||
| He's gonna go to pull to the head. | ||
| He will go fucking bananas. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| It is... | ||
| It's insane because it is that two sides of the mouth thing again. | ||
| It's on one side of the mouth like, you won't engage with my ideas. | ||
| And then on the other side, it's like, I'm going to beat the shit out of you. | ||
| That's not an idea. | ||
| Over the course of this episode, and I mean, I cut out a good bit of stuff that, but not that takes out context. | ||
| I cut out a good bit of stuff because this was like a... | ||
| Hour, hour and a half interview of all of them. | ||
| You don't need to go into the repetitive stuff. | ||
| We don't need to talk about Syria more than we need to. | ||
| But of the stuff that they're talking about, the things that have concrete arguments that aren't just bullshit flying out of someone's mouth, we have facts. | ||
| We've made arguments that completely deflate those arguments. | ||
| We've used even the things that they cite and show that they don't say what they say. | ||
| Now, if you want to say that, like... | ||
| Do... | ||
| So maybe... | ||
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They would kick our ass, though. | |
| The Proud Boys, they'd kick our ass. | ||
| You know, here's my... | ||
| And this is the way I think about the Fight Club. | ||
| The Chuck Palahniuk book. | ||
| Don't talk about it. | ||
| That's rule number one. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Fucked. | ||
| It is very much a fantasy. | ||
| To the point where I genuinely don't believe that they have any interest in acting out that fantasy. | ||
| But I would also argue that they really haven't engaged with the text. | ||
| Because even... | ||
| I've read the book and... | ||
| There's a lot of masculinity masturbation within there. | ||
| I've read the book as well. | ||
| But I think one of the bigger themes... | ||
| I'm a white male. | ||
| That's what I do. | ||
| I think one of the bigger themes is the disintegration of the self and becoming whole again. | ||
| There is a part of it that is that Tyler Durden personality was a negative manifestation of the narrator's self. | ||
| Well, I mean, it's your basic... | ||
| Wall Street was supposed to take down that ideal of the 80s banker who was out of control and instead wound up lionizing it. | ||
| Or the same thing with Wolf of Wall Street. | ||
| Or the way that you look at Catcher in the Rye all too often is that... | ||
| That fucking bitch of a kid is the hero when in reality he's the antithesis of such. | ||
| Often parody is not understood by dum-dums. | ||
| Which is why I believe that the Irish should eat their own children in order to survive. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| This is fact. | ||
| Everyone knows this. | ||
| That proposal seems modest. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| I'm not making an outlandish proposal. | ||
| I'm making a modest one. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So we have one more clip. | ||
| It's very short, and I think it sums things up. | ||
| And this is an argument that actually, factually, I can't super disagree with. | ||
| But boy, do I disagree with it. | ||
| They're just going to acquiesce and slowly realize that the patriarchy's back, and the big boys know what they're doing. | ||
| Sit down. | ||
| The patriarchy's back in town! | ||
| So that's the one thing that we can't really... | ||
| The patriarchy's back. | ||
| Sit down. | ||
| I can't really argue with that with research. | ||
| I can very... | ||
| Well, I mean... | ||
| It's hard to deny that the patriarchy is back in style, at least. | ||
| It seems very popular at this point in time. | ||
| At the same time, the patriarchy is a nebulous concept. | ||
| I think that you could... | ||
| A lot of people could probably... | ||
| You know, poke some holes in it, what have you, and show that the patriarchy is a negative thing. | ||
| But as I understand it, most of the people who support... | ||
| The patriarchy coming back, what they're motivated by is a fear of women being in charge. | ||
| They don't think that women are capable of being in charge. | ||
| They're scared of women being equivalent to them. | ||
| They're threatened by the idea of listening to women when they tell them to do things. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| And I think that that is one of the utter definitions of cowardice. | ||
| I think it's not manly. | ||
| I think it's not adult. | ||
| And if you really are super into the patriarchy, I really don't understand. | ||
| What argument you could possibly have. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, this is... | ||
| Again, I don't have a study. | ||
| This is the thing that I think of. | ||
| I disagree. | ||
| This is the thing that I think of whenever this is brought up, and I remember this. | ||
| This is burns in my brain from my little sister's wedding, is the pastor read, during the wedding ceremony... | ||
| 1 Timothy 2.11, which is, let a woman learn in all submissiveness. | ||
| I permit no woman to have authority over man because Adam was formed before Eve. | ||
| That's not a great wedding. | ||
| It was in the wedding, right? | ||
| Yeah, that's... | ||
| Wouldn't you just bail at that point? | ||
| If that's what you really believe. | ||
| I'm fucking out of here. | ||
| That for no reason other than God picked a dick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Women should never be allowed to do anything. | ||
| That's unbelievable. | ||
| It's not even really the dick. | ||
| It's physical might. | ||
| It's always the dick. | ||
| Much like you were talking about sports being prevalent because sports has existed longer, it's the same kind of thing. | ||
| It's just back when we were caveman sort of era of our evolution, men physically dominated women, ergo we had control in most primitive civilizations. | ||
| And they were a lot happier. | ||
| By every metric, seems like a good way to go. | ||
| Anthropological studies have always shown that male-dominated societies are a perpetual war machine that winds up damaging its citizens. | ||
| Even avuncular ones are still sort of male-dominated, but they're male-dominated by a secondary degree. | ||
| That's basically civilizations where communities raise children. | ||
| Where your uncle would raise you and you'd sort of, not really trade kids, but there would be a communal understanding of your parents don't own you. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| Whereas matrilineal is the mother is the head of the community, patrilineal is the father. | ||
| But unfortunately, as our civilizations have grown, the... | ||
| As men are the mighty ones physically and the ones who are full of testosterone that leads us to war and fight with each other, the patrilineal societies seem to be the ones that have grown and the ones that have exhausted and destroyed a lot of the other ones. | ||
| So we end up with all of our civilizations basically that exist nowadays are the ones... | ||
| The men are in charge. | ||
| And those are the ones that have their root in the caveman days when men were physically able to dominate women. | ||
| The civilizations that are the best at destroying other civilizations are the ones that have perpetuated. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| We're in a long game of Risk and we just haven't reached the end yet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, we're getting close. | ||
| Like, year two max. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I've played a lot of Risk games that seemed like they were about to end. | ||
| And then we're there for another seven hours? | ||
| You should be on CSNBC right now. | ||
| It's possible that North Korea is just going to roll shitty. | ||
| We're just going to be like, God damn it, Kim Jong-il still has Oceania. | ||
| What am I going to do? | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Why does it always win goes to the defense? | ||
| Sucks. | ||
| But you know what I'm saying? | ||
| That's why a lot of these... | ||
| These male ideas exist. | ||
| It's not because of dicks. | ||
| It's because of just physical light. | ||
| No, and I agree with you. | ||
| I think the problem is we know what the real solution is, which is all men need to be destroyed immediately. | ||
| I have a different solution. | ||
| What's your different solution? | ||
| I want to shave Gavin McGinnis' beard and make him eat it. | ||
| That! | ||
| Is a very good solution. | ||
| I fully support you. | ||
| To all of our Knowledge Fight listeners. | ||
| If we do not advocate violence, we do, however, advocate shaving Gavin McGinnis' beard and feeding it to him. | ||
| Do you want to go with slowly or like big clumps? | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| When I was like 22, 23, my brother sent me a news article. | ||
| And it was this guy who had been screwed over in a cow deal. | ||
| He'd sold some cows. | ||
| And the guy who screwed him over held him down. | ||
| Y 'all done guys screwed over in a cow deal? | ||
| The guy held him down, shaved his beard, and made him eat it. | ||
| That is fantastic. | ||
| Since then, I thought that was one of the most degrading things possible. | ||
| Look, frontier justice, while not necessarily being applied equally, is sometimes the best justice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, we're going to get out of here. | ||
| But before we do, because this has been so toxic masculinity-ish, I want to take a trip back to the clip we played on the last episode just as a gentle reminder. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| Planet's beautiful. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Just like I loved my mommy when I was six years old. | ||
| When I was about six years old, she kicked me off her lap and said, you can't be a mama's boy now. | ||
| You don't get any more love because you're going to be a man. | ||
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You don't get any more love because you're going to be a man. | |
| That's what it comes down to. | ||
| And that's the man who has put on the show that we have just listened to. | ||
| So congratulations, Alex. | ||
| You are a fucking murderer. | ||
| Alex. | ||
| Did you just, you just dropped a hammer. | ||
| That's the only way to describe that. | ||
| Fuck yeah. | ||
| All of this. | ||
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Fuck yeah. | |
| Relates to this. | ||
| This is why Alex is totally fine having people like Gavin McGinnis on his show. | ||
| Now, if Gavin had to fucking fill four hours a day and had been doing it for 20 years and got drunk on air a bunch, I imagine he might say something like that. | ||
| He would probably have some kind of, yeah. | ||
| Mike Cernovich, wow, a crazy wingding asshole, has been pretty outside of our scope in terms Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like, that's what this is all about. | ||
| This is what it's all about. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| You're mad at women. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| God, you deflated my anger so hard. | ||
| Well... | ||
| Now it's right back to being... | ||
| Tragic? | ||
| This fucking tragedy of a human being has just influenced people who otherwise probably wouldn't be... | ||
| Like, it can't be everybody is... | ||
| That's what your anger should come back to. | ||
| That's where it is coming back to, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, because he's influencing the Proud Boys. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| Yep, they exist, and that sucks. | ||
| If you meet a Proud Boy, tell him that we are at knowledge underscore fight on Twitter. | ||
| And that they can subscribe to us on iTunes, we're at knowledgefight. | ||
| Also, you can reach us at knowledgefight at gmail.com, or just at our website, knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Or at our new email address, proudboys, proudboys, proudboys, at gmail.com. | ||
| Or our even newer email address, evenprouderboys, at gmail.com. | ||
| So yeah, this has been not super fun. | ||
| I hate most of the things we talked about. | ||
| No, I got angry. | ||
| Yeah, but I predicted that. | ||
| I don't know if you noticed that or not. | ||
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I did, I did notice that. | |
| Yeah, it probably came through. | ||
| You know what else I noticed? | ||
| What did you notice? | ||
| I noticed that you and I, it's a couple policy walks. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |