Today, Dan tells Jordan a bit more about why he believes that taking Alex Jones out of context, or using him in funny clip montages is a dangerous game that you really can't win. To illustrate his point, the two discuss a video that Alex released recently in response to Media Matters posting a clip of his. It's a cycle with no winners, and truly the only way out is to utilize a different approach, namely the Knowledge Fight Approach.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We are a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink some red wine, and have conversations about the one and only, the man, the myth, the... | ||
| Alex Jones. | ||
| Started to come up with a third one. | ||
| Yeah, but your face got sad. | ||
| Yeah, it did. | ||
| The man, the myth, the... | ||
| The plot twist is that I know tons about Alex Jones and Infowars in particular. | ||
| You know a scary amount of Alex Jones. | ||
| Too much. | ||
| But I do not. | ||
| No, not at all. | ||
| I know the appropriate amount about Alex Jones. | ||
| You know enough to live. | ||
| Somehow you're immunized against it. | ||
| I am still susceptible. | ||
| You have the appropriate amount of Alex Jones' knowledge to navigate your daily life without him bogging you down, but at the same time being aware that he exists. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And being scared of what that portents. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But I do not. | ||
| He's a very small devil on my shoulder as opposed to the giant cross you walk around with. | ||
| He's like the invisible guy that I'm... | ||
| Which, yes, you are Jesus. | ||
| He's the invisible guy I'm screaming at on the street. | ||
| If I was a crazy person, I'd be like, no, you're not making sense! | ||
| And everyone's looking at me like, there's no one there. | ||
| Don't you see this crazy Texan? | ||
| Yeah, it's fine that you do it here. | ||
| Whether I'm here or not, I think what the listeners need to know is that I just walk in, you finish... | ||
| We start this. | ||
| We talk, then I leave, and you continue your monologue. | ||
| The truth is, we do these episodes, I do them alone, and then we just add you in and post. | ||
| Yeah, exactly! | ||
| This seems like we're having a conversation. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| Oh, yeah, no. | ||
| He's pre-recorded my giggle, and we just let that fly. | ||
| Today, we are drinking conundrum wine out of California. | ||
| It's a red blend, it's delicious, and it's only appropriate. | ||
| Because we are on the nose. | ||
| And we're in a conundrum. | ||
| Folks, last week, Alex Jones... | ||
| We're in a good old pickle. | ||
| Alex Jones last week did a lot of nonsense, and I don't want to talk about most of it. | ||
| He spent almost the entire week, of course, Muslim baiting, because that's his bread and butter. | ||
| That's the way we do it. | ||
| But then on top of that, he spent a disproportionate amount of time... | ||
| Doing interviews with Dr. Group about his supplements. | ||
| Love Dr. Group. | ||
| About how important this stuff is. | ||
| That's salesmanship, it's kind of boring, whatever. | ||
| But then the rest of the time was drumming up nuclear war against North Korea. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| He was hiding behind this weird shield of, I don't want this to happen, but this is what's gonna happen. | ||
| Did he do any of those perverse fantasies where he goes through the... | ||
| Not to the extent is that one that we played a couple episodes back where it was like five minutes of just nuclear war porn. | ||
| But he was banging that gong real hard about like, this is just what's gonna happen, you know, and we gotta be sort of prepared for it. | ||
| It's what's gonna happen. | ||
| So get survival food. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Yeah, that sort of thing was mostly what he did all week until, of course, Thursday. | ||
| When Trump launched 59 Tomahawk missiles at a Syrian airbase. | ||
| He was so presidential. | ||
| So presidential. | ||
| So presidential. | ||
| And if you say that in a serious way, I will... | ||
| I will froth at the mouth. | ||
| I am afraid I am going... | ||
| If you say it three times... | ||
| If a TV news person... | ||
| If Brian Williams walked by, I would be afraid that I would bite his throat. | ||
| You'd just start barking at him. | ||
| I would just start barking at him, yeah. | ||
| If you say it's presidential three times into your bathroom mirror, Taft shows up in your bathtub. | ||
| And then he never fucking leaves. | ||
| You can't. | ||
| He can't get out. | ||
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You just have a ghost of a tub. | |
| Taftub. | ||
| Taftub ghost. | ||
| That's another product we're going to be selling at the Knowledge Fight store. | ||
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Oh, man. | |
| I see a very small bathtub with a very fat man in there. | ||
| But it's a ghost. | ||
| But it's a ghost. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| So, I don't want to talk about Alex Jones. | ||
| Well, we can talk about it briefly. | ||
| But I don't want to cover his perspective on Trump's attack in Syria. | ||
| Because it's kind of boring and very predictable. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's not really all that entertaining. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, we could break down a lot of lies contained therein, but the problem with a lot of his lies is that in this instance, they're all completely undisprovable. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So it's not really all that... | ||
| Like, when we talk about the Dennis Montgomery CIA whistleblower thing that we covered a couple episodes back, it's very disprovable. | ||
| We can go through, I can research stuff, and we can figure out, okay, this is what's going on, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Right. | ||
| In the case of his narrative about Syria, it's also speculative and based on, you know, like, well, what's going on here is that Trump did this as a sort of way of signaling to the Chinese leader who was here, the commie Chinese leader who was here. | ||
| Xi Jinping. | ||
| Well, he doesn't want to go with names. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Because he could definitely not pronounce Xi Jinping. | ||
| It's more fun to call him a Chi-Com leader or something like that, too. | ||
| But that's a signal to him that he's strong and he's ready to attack at any minute. | ||
| It's going to help with the negotiations. | ||
| And then his further argument is that, you know, this is probably Trump and Putin got together and talked and they were saying, Why don't I do this symbolic attack on Syria? | ||
| Which it was. | ||
| And I'll tell you ahead of time. | ||
| Which he did. | ||
| Which, you know, we won't end up killing anybody or anything like that. | ||
| Well, they killed a bunch of people. | ||
| But not in that attack, though. | ||
| Yeah, they killed some people. | ||
| I thought there was no death toll for the air handler. | ||
| No, there was no military death toll. | ||
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Oh. | |
| You know human beings are not always in the military? | ||
| Disagree. | ||
| Okay, good point. | ||
| Strongly disagree. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Draft coming back. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Anytime now. | ||
| That's probably true. | ||
| Good thing I'm way out of shape, and I might go back to grad school. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| My English teacher, when I was in high school, told me that because he was colorblind, he wasn't sent to the front lines on Vietnam. | ||
| So I got that going for me. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| Yeah, I'm pretty stoked. | ||
| My grandpa was a conscientious objector. | ||
| Uh, and ended up working at, like, Yellowstone or something like that. | ||
| Like, that's a good deal. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I'll do that. | ||
| I've always, I know what a, I know... | ||
| That you can be a conscientious objector. | ||
| I never actually knew what that meant in a literal sense. | ||
| Do they just put you in a little pen somewhere and you hold up a sign like, I wish I didn't do this! | ||
| You know, that kind of thing. | ||
| Look, he was a Mennonite and he had a religious obligation not to be involved in any war type shit. | ||
| I'm a Satanist, so that applies to me too somehow. | ||
| Sort of. | ||
| So when he got drafted, he was a conscientious objector. | ||
| And because it's not like you just get totally off the hook, you still have to serve your country. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're drafted. | ||
| He did that through working at a national park. | ||
| And so that would be fucking cool as shit. | ||
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I'll do that. | |
| I love national parks. | ||
| I would actually like to get a job at a national park. | ||
| Unfortunately, they're going away. | ||
| They are going away. | ||
| National parks will be gone soon, so that won't be enough. | ||
| Yeah, I assume if you're a conscientious objector, you will be building a certain wall. | ||
| That's possible, because someone's got to. | ||
| It's certainly not going to be the Mexicans. | ||
| Over that river. | ||
| You know how you can build walls over... | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Very complicated. | ||
| Everybody's dumb. | ||
| It's very complicated. | ||
| Thank God they have the best people working on it. | ||
| So, his perspective is that Trump and Putin got together and had this conversation, like, we're going to do this attack, because then the media will get off our back about this fake Russian connection. | ||
| Which they did. | ||
| And then we can have conversations publicly, and we can talk, and we can work this out, and we can reach detente. | ||
| Eh, I doubt that'll happen. | ||
| No, that's silly. | ||
| But then also, packed into it is this idea that, like, alright, so behind the scenes, Trump and Putin are talking, and they're having this plan to get people to stop talking about the Russian connection. | ||
| It's like, you don't understand that that's indicative that there is a Russia connection. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| See, when you... | ||
| So what you're doing is you're just building a Russian connection this time to prove that there's no Russian connection beside the one that you just built. | ||
| It makes perfect sense. | ||
| And you used in order to create a fake attack in Syria. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like legal things. | ||
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Right. | |
| Very, very constitutional. | ||
| You know how all of the Constitution stuff is like, no. | ||
| But you know where we're at? | ||
| The Constitution has no meaning anymore. | ||
| The Constitution is now like Agenda 21. It is. | ||
| It's a suggestion. | ||
| It's a suggestion, yeah. | ||
| At best. | ||
| Maybe you shouldn't. | ||
| Nah. | ||
| So today what we are going to be talking about, because I don't want to talk about that, and I really hate the idea that Alex thinks that these gas attacks are a false flag. | ||
| It's really boring to cover every time he says something's a false flag. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| After the Boston bombing... | ||
| False flag. | ||
| After Sandy Hook. | ||
| False flag. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| The Colorado shooter in the movie theater. | ||
| False flag. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| Came back shooter. | ||
| False flag. | ||
| Well, no, that was a botched false flag, according to him. | ||
| Oh, because it wasn't a Muslim? | ||
| He still doesn't recognize that. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| But, I just don't... | ||
| 9-11. | ||
| False flag. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| The election of John F. Kennedy. | ||
| False flag. | ||
| The assassination of John F. Kennedy. | ||
| False flag. | ||
| The... | ||
| Nixon? | ||
| Just his existence? | ||
| His birth? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I think we will cover this down the road, possibly, as things develop, but as it is now, that's just a boring narrative, and I don't have any time or patience for it. | ||
| And I think it would make us angry. | ||
| You know, we're very not prone to that. | ||
| I have to protect you from yourself with these Alex Jones things. | ||
| I have to know where the line is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I have decided... | ||
| Yeah, I don't want to become a cutter. | ||
| You don't want to move to cutter? | ||
| I don't want to move to Qatar. | ||
| He pronounces it cutter. | ||
| That's actually how it's pronounced. | ||
| Is it? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Okay. | ||
| I like it more that way, kind of. | ||
| But anyway, today what we're going to be talking about is something that I think is an incredibly important point. | ||
| And that is... | ||
| That everyone else needs to stop covering Alex Jones. | ||
| This is the payback episode? | ||
| Is that what you're saying? | ||
| No, I just want to illustrate and discuss over the course of this episode this thesis that I've made a couple times. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And I think we need to flesh out more because Alex is proving me right. | ||
| That whenever you don't deal with Alex Jones on his turf... | ||
| And when you take him out of context, what you are doing is playing into his hands. | ||
| And if you want to pretend that you're against him, if you want to expose what he's saying, and you play that game, you're failing, just by definition. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| And it's really bothersome. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's also bothersome that we don't get more credit. | ||
| There's a small to middling part of that in our feelings. | ||
| That's less where my motivation comes from. | ||
| Because legitimately, I have... | ||
| Spoiler alert, this is about media matters. | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| The truth is that they have an agenda. | ||
| They are part of the Democratic Party, basically. | ||
| And all the stuff about George Soros funding them and it's evil, that stuff's bumpus bumpus. | ||
| Yeah, that's bananas. | ||
| But they are a wing of the Democratic Party, essentially. | ||
| They, you know, their mission statement is to expose and document right-wing pundits. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So they have O 'Reilly, they have Hannity, they have Alex Jones on their website and they document weird fucking things they say. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I've never actually been to their website. | ||
| It's not great. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| I think that what you have described what they do is perfect. | ||
| They feed the outrage machine. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Where you post this video and everyone gets mad at Alex Jones and then they think he's a joke and then they forget. | ||
| And then you wait a while and maybe he says something else that's scandalous and then you move on and what have you. | ||
| This is a failure of a game. | ||
| Now, just to remind everyone, last week Media Matters put out a clip. | ||
| From Alex Jones' broadcast of March 30th that we discussed. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We discussed for maybe too long. | ||
| That is also our want. | ||
| It was the episode where Alex Jones was on air drunk for two hours. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I found him with a booze cup in his hand. | ||
| He's making drinking sounds on the mic when the camera is away from him. | ||
| He's talking about the four ways to learn at the end of it. | ||
| He's fucked up. | ||
| And did they cover all of that? | ||
| I don't know, did they do maybe a two-hour long expose? | ||
| They didn't even pay attention to anything. | ||
| Not his drunkness? | ||
| Didn't give any context to anything. | ||
| It's just this clip. | ||
| And just to remind everyone, in case you haven't listened to that episode, here is the clip that they cover, because I can't get enough of hearing this. | ||
| Oh, this is the one? | ||
| This is our favorite clip? | ||
| Yeah, so this is what is covered by Media Matters. | ||
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I am ready. | |
| I am more than ready. | ||
| Let me say this right now. | ||
| Let me tell. | ||
| I'm not against gay people. | ||
| Okay, I love them. | ||
| They're great folks. | ||
| But Schiff looks like the archetypal cocksucker with those little deer-in-the-headlight eyes and all his stuff. | ||
| And there's something about this fairy hopping around, bossing everybody around, trying to intimidate people like me and you. | ||
| I want to tell Congressman Schiff and all the rest of them, hey, listen, asshole. | ||
| Quit saying Roger and I, and I never used cussing in 22 years, but the gloves are off. | ||
| Listen, you son of a bitch. | ||
| What the fuck's your problem? | ||
| You want to sit here and say that I'm a goddamn fucking Russian? | ||
| You get in my face with that, I'll beat your goddamn ass, you son of a bitch. | ||
| You piece of shit. | ||
| You fucking goddamn fucker. | ||
| Listen, fuckhead. | ||
| You have fucking crossed the line. | ||
| Get that through your goddamn fucking head. | ||
| Stop pushing your shit. | ||
| You're the people that have fucked this country over and gang raped the shit out of it and lost an election. | ||
| So stop shooting your mouth off claiming I'm the enemy. | ||
| You got that, you goddamn son of a bitch? | ||
| Fill your hand. | ||
| I'm sorry, but I'm done. | ||
| You start calling me a foreign agent. | ||
| Those are fucking fighting words. | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| Those are fucking fighting words. | ||
| That's the clip that Media Matters, they have a little bit longer at the end where he says that Adam Schiff is sucking globalist cock. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Here's their headline. | ||
| Trump ally Alex Jones threatens to beat Representative Adam Schiff's goddamn ass in anti-gay tirade. | ||
| That's not fair. | ||
| It's not an anti-gay tirade. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| He touches on some homophobic... | ||
| He starts anti-gay. | ||
| Yes, but that's not the thrust of what's going on. | ||
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No. | |
| If he was calling him an ass... | ||
| If he was throughout it, if he kept going back to... | ||
| He's just... | ||
| The part where he looks like an archetypal cocksucker, that part is just dumb. | ||
| It is homophobic, but the rant in and of itself is not. | ||
| He's not doing it because Schiff is gay. | ||
| Bingo. | ||
| That is ancillary to his true anger. | ||
| Now, it is wrong of him to use... | ||
| You know, insinuations of gayness as an attack or as negative. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But that doesn't belong in the headline. | ||
| That's unfair of Media Matters. | ||
| That's not accurate reporting. | ||
| That's not using Alex in context. | ||
| But it sure does make you outraged. | ||
| Sure does. | ||
| I hate anti-gay rants. | ||
| Now, if you just play that clip, it's like, wow, he's a fucking anger machine. | ||
| And he is. | ||
| But not in this situation. | ||
| That was our out-of-context drop. | ||
| We didn't even really talk about that other than to say that it's hilarious. | ||
| No, we did only because it was the beginning of where things go off the rails for him. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| He's drunk as shit on this episode, and within 15 minutes of this, he's talking about selling his car. | ||
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He's rambling about, I'm going to live in a rich neighborhood. | |
| Although the headline can't be, drunken lunatic needs to get rid of his car. | ||
| That would be great. | ||
| That's actually a way better... | ||
| Why didn't Media Matters do that? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Why don't they talk to us? | ||
| So, Media Matters... | ||
| So many reasons. | ||
| Just to give you some context, before that, Media Matters had published an article. | ||
| Trump ally Alex Jones attacks, quote, the Jewish press for reporting on his Jewish mafia commentary. | ||
| Which is, that's more reasonable. | ||
| I mean, there is, he did do that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Certainly. | ||
| So that is an accurate headline. | ||
| That got 200 likes on Facebook. | ||
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Okay. | |
| That's not very good. | ||
| No. | ||
| This thing with the anti-gay tirade. | ||
| The anti-gay tirade. | ||
| 7.9 thousand. | ||
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Ugh. | |
| You kind of get a sense of why they do the things that they do. | ||
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Right. | |
| Here we go. | ||
| Alex Jones claims Trump calls him and is happy with his performance. | ||
| 104 likes on Facebook. | ||
| Accurate. | ||
| You have to go for the most salacious things, give it click-baity headlines, and alakazam, alakadoo. | ||
| And it's not fair if you're covering this clip to take it out of the context of the bigger picture. | ||
| Alex would make the same argument. | ||
| I'm making the other argument. | ||
| We have the same idea. | ||
| Taking Alex Jones out of context is wrong. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Alex thinks it's because the context defends him. | ||
| I think it's because the context makes him worse. | ||
| Way worse. | ||
| He's on air two hours drunk, screaming this shit. | ||
| Saying a bunch of hateful bigotry later, this was mildly bigoted, certainly. | ||
| We live on a spectrum here where we're inoculated against his mild bigotry because it's so much worse other places. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, if you are going to... | ||
| And if that's their mission... | ||
| Well, I mean, here's why they chose that instead of the other anti-Muslim shit. | ||
| Because that is a delightful lunatic rant. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You could go and get his worst bigotry, but it's not as catchy. | ||
| I mean, you picked it, we both picked it out immediately. | ||
| That's a catchy tune. | ||
| We posted our episode that involved that before they did, so suck it, Brock. | ||
| I'm not really against David Brock, he's fine, but I don't like the idea that this is salaciousness. | ||
| This is clickbaity bullshit. | ||
| When the stated objective is to watch right-wing bigots, And document what they're doing. | ||
| Hey, we're doing a better job than you, Media Matters. | ||
| And listen, here's the main point. | ||
| When you play that game, you open up a window that Alex can attack you with. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whenever you do these things, you take them out of context. | ||
| Like the Stephen Colbert thing. | ||
| When Stephen Colbert played those clips, Alex can point out, you did edit that. | ||
| You edited my audio. | ||
| Whenever they did that on Fox News, when Megyn Kelly played that thing about Pizzagate. | ||
| They did edit Alex's audio. | ||
| Now he was saying that Hillary Clinton is personally responsible for the rape and murder of children. | ||
| He sure did. | ||
| But they did take him out of context. | ||
| And when you do that, Alex can... | ||
| It's like he can block a punch and come back at you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So now today... | ||
| Yeah, and just the fact that he can say correctly that you took him out of context... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Automatically, for any of his listeners, that takes him off the hook of anything. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| So, as long as he gets to say something that is true in an attack, you look over there. | ||
| It's sleight of hand. | ||
| Now, we're not perfect at our jobs. | ||
| We're not awesome journalists or anything like that. | ||
| But I 100% believe... | ||
| I am not... | ||
| Even close to a journalist at all. | ||
| Neither am I. Like, you're doing journalism, but I'm over here just like, this dude's fucking nuts! | ||
| I went to the best journalism... | ||
| I also did call for the death penalty on multiple people, so that's also my contribution here. | ||
| I went to the best journalism school in the country, but did not take any journalism classes. | ||
| Yeah, but you got it by osmosis. | ||
| It rubbed off on you. | ||
| I partied with a lot of journalists, that's for sure. | ||
| That's all you need to do. | ||
| So today's episode... | ||
| What we're going to be talking about is Alex Jones put out a 10-minute video in response to Media Matters putting out a response to him. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Which kind of... | ||
| Do you know that I always... | ||
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Wait, wait, wait. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Go for it. | ||
| I forgot. | ||
| My point that led to the journalism thing is if Alex were to hear... | ||
| Please just listen, Alex. | ||
| But if he was to listen to that episode about Dennis Montgomery, there's no response he could make. | ||
| No, we didn't take him out of context. | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| You purely researched it to the point where there's really no disproving you. | ||
| There's nothing that's salacious about that. | ||
| Yeah, well, that's why nobody listens. | ||
| No, hundreds of people are listening. | ||
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That's true. | |
| That's why hundreds of people listen. | ||
| That's exactly right. | ||
| That is why hundreds of people are listening. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It is also why thousands of people are not listening. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's perhaps the better way of putting it. | ||
| But we don't enter the bear traps. | ||
| That are these out-of-context clips. | ||
| It's a dangerous game. | ||
| It's the most dangerous game. | ||
| If I were Alex, if I were as crazy as him, what I would suggest is that possibly Media Matters is not so interested in actually exposing what Alex Jones does as they are in engaging in a back-and-forth dance. | ||
| I, it reminds me of, and I've mentioned this. | ||
| I don't fully believe that, but I'm speculating. | ||
| No, I fully, I fully, I think I've mentioned this before, the boondocks clip, where you have Al Sharpton and Ann Coulter go on TV, they bitch at each other, and yada, yada, yada. | ||
| Then they go into the green room, and they're just, they're best friends. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, they're playing the game. | ||
| They're playing the one side versus the other side draws ratings, draws clicks, draws eyes, draws attention, and that attention draws money. | ||
| And that's kind of the situation there. | ||
| But if George Soros has just given them billions of dollars, they don't need that money. | ||
| I don't think George Soros has given them the money. | ||
| I don't think that either. | ||
| But be that as it may, I'm pissed off at someone who could be an ally in Media Matters. | ||
| I'm pissed off at them. | ||
| I'm vaguely pissed off also at, like, the AV Club. | ||
| Not super pissed off at them, because I get what they're doing. | ||
| This is entertainment and laughs. | ||
| But posting these super cuts of Alex Jones kind of does the exact same thing that Media Matters posting out of context clips does. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, and posting, like... | ||
| Oh, here we go. | ||
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Here we go. | |
| If you turn him into a joke, you're just... | ||
| You let him off the hook. | ||
| But also, here's my... | ||
| Here is my summation. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Leave Alex to us. | ||
| Soros. | ||
| Billions. | ||
| Now! | ||
| Get at ya. | ||
| Now! | ||
| We have a Patreon, Soros! | ||
| That would be the weirdest day if all of a sudden just a few hundred thousand show up in your Patreon account. | ||
| That would be wild. | ||
| And we'd be like, wait, are you fucking with us? | ||
| G. Soros. | ||
| Yeah, I'm sure he uses his real email address there. | ||
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George S. We just sent him back, hey, thanks, buddy! | |
| We're yours now! | ||
| Yeah, so, look, here's the deal. | ||
| I'd also like to thank everybody who has donated to the Patreon and everyone who has not stopped since we switched over from Friesen Point to this. | ||
| That means a lot. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| If we had more. | ||
| We could hire Paul Joseph Watson. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| He just jumped off the Trump train. | ||
| He did not. | ||
| Yeah, but he did for a good hour or two. | ||
| If we had the money during that hour, I think we would have gotten him. | ||
| You know what's the funniest? | ||
| I think he would have been sitting right over there with us making fun of him for an hour. | ||
| I don't want him in my house. | ||
| No, I would rather die. | ||
| Who, as our friend Katie McVeigh pointed out on Twitter, made the great observation that he looks like a young boy from Rococo paintings. | ||
| It's a really good observation. | ||
| He also looks like he's crying all the time. | ||
| So before we get to our clips of this episode that Alex put out, let's deal with that Paul Joseph Watson thing really quick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So on the night of the attack in Syria, on Thursday night, Paul Joseph Watson posted, hey, I guess Trump is not a tool of Putin. | ||
| He is just a NW, not NWO, what was it? | ||
| Neocon puppet? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A globalist neocon puppet. | ||
| I am officially off the Trump train. | ||
| He said that word for word. | ||
| Two hours later or so, I don't know the exact time frame, he posted a screenshot of his follower count, and he's like, this is the first time ever I've lost followers. | ||
| He'd lost like a thousand followers. | ||
| Then, a couple hours later after that, he posted... | ||
| I'm off Trump as it relates to Syria. | ||
| I have not turned on Trump as the media has lied and said. | ||
| Oh, fake news. | ||
| Fake news. | ||
| Fake news! | ||
| My own Twitter account is fake news. | ||
| What's fucked up about it is, like, those thousand people are probably bots. | ||
| Yeah, that's actually... | ||
| He lost a thousand bots, probably. | ||
| I would say that's a good possibility, yeah. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Paul Joseph Watson is a fuckwit. | ||
| Are we going to have to listen to his words? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| At least not today. | ||
| We'll see it in the future. | ||
| Not today! | ||
| Say we to the god of death. | ||
| Not today. | ||
| Alex put out this response to Media Matters, putting out a clip of him saying, I'm going to fucking kick your ass, you goddamn Senator Schiff, Representative Schiff. | ||
| Come at me. | ||
| Fill your hand. | ||
| Fill your hand. | ||
| Still my favorite. | ||
| I've been using it multiple times this week. | ||
| Comes back up. | ||
| Oh, yes! | ||
| Fill your hand is in play. | ||
| I want to hear him say fill your hand. | ||
| I'm delighted by it now. | ||
| Now, Alex Jones is the only person broadcasting on this clip. | ||
| He's not the only person who says fill your hand. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| Get excited for that. | ||
| There are no... | ||
| I've never heard that phrase before in my entire life. | ||
| I feel like he made it up, right? | ||
| He didn't. | ||
| He didn't, and we're going to find out where it comes from on today's... | ||
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Oh! | |
| On today's episode of Knowledge Fight. | ||
| So... | ||
| The Fill Your Hand special. | ||
| I have cut out almost nothing from this ten minute thing. | ||
| I've just put it into segments for us to digest and what have you. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| I have specifically not taken out anything that has to do with context. | ||
| Everything is as he presents it. | ||
| There will be a couple times we might have to pause here and there. | ||
| But here's the introduction and how he begins. | ||
| Last year, we've witnessed the Democratic Party, foreign governments, thousands of newspapers, hundreds of celebrities trying to organize the assassination of President Trump, even when he was a candidate. | ||
| They're the ones politically trying to intimidate our free speech and trying to influence us with threats of violence. | ||
| That's why it's particularly ridiculous when they come out and call for my arrest by twisting things I've said, claiming that I want violence. | ||
| Truly, these people have no shame. | ||
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Yes! | |
| I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House. | ||
| It's an embarrassment to this country. | ||
| It makes me so angry that this country has gotten to this point, that this fool, this bozo, has wound up where he has. | ||
| Well, I'd like to punch him in the face. | ||
| I'm going to kill the president-elect, bring it, Secret Service, and then going into frightening detail by getting a sniper rifle and perching myself where it counts. | ||
| Find a bedroom in the White House that suits you as a man. | ||
| You just saw Robert De Niro say that he wants to punch the president in the nose. | ||
| He came back out a second time and said it. | ||
| Then we heard from Madonna saying she thinks about blowing up the White House. | ||
| That's premeditated. | ||
| We've already talked about that, haven't we? | ||
| In passing. | ||
| So that opening montage, his evidence that people want to kill Trump and the liberals are super violent. | ||
| We did talk about this. | ||
| Right after the election, there was a teacher squirting a squirt gun or fake gun yelling, die, die. | ||
| She's clearly mentally unhinged. | ||
| But it also appeared to be an empty classroom. | ||
| And who knows who the fuck she was? | ||
| We've never established that. | ||
| The video went viral, in quotes, because people were like, look at this crazy lady. | ||
| Even liberals were like, look at that crazy lady. | ||
| Look at that crazy lady. | ||
| So Robert De Niro wanting to punch Trump in the face, I don't disagree with. | ||
| That's not that bad. | ||
| No, I think we all get one. | ||
| Yeah, that's not that bad. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I think that people burned Obama in effigy. | ||
| I think that, you know... | ||
| Yeah, they did do that. | ||
| Ted Nugent told him to suck on his machine gun. | ||
| He did do that. | ||
| All kinds... | ||
| Once again, proof liberals are pussies. | ||
| I actually looked up death threats against President Obama, and there's just three pages full of actual plots to kill him. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| The number of assassination attempts that were thwarted in early stages that never got any press. | ||
| Insane. | ||
| There actually were a bunch of assassination attempts? | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| Holy cow. | ||
| That would be a whole episode if we covered that. | ||
| Man, that would be crazy. | ||
| Yeah, so that is sort of absurd. | ||
| Then the Madonna thing, he cuts off her quote. | ||
| Her quote is... | ||
| The part at the end? | ||
| Her quote. | ||
| The context part? | ||
| Her quote is, yes, I'm angry. | ||
| Yes, I'm outraged. | ||
| Yes, I've thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House. | ||
| But I know that this won't change anything. | ||
| We cannot fall into despair. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That really changes the quote. | ||
| It changes it a lot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It turns it from a threat to a wise saying. | ||
| You don't fight fire with fire, you fight it with water. | ||
| Yeah, and then the other one is a CEO. | ||
| Like a prayer. | ||
| I lost the page that I had up that had this, but it was a CEO of a company, a startup. | ||
| Who tweeted those things about getting a sniper rifle at Come At Me Secret Service. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He immediately got fired. | ||
| He was forced out of his company that he was the CEO of. | ||
| So that's some consequence. | ||
| Granted, I agree. | ||
| He should have been arrested for that. | ||
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Yeah, I think so. | |
| That's too far. | ||
| You can't threaten the president like that. | ||
| You can't threaten anyone like that. | ||
| Even if it's on Twitter. | ||
| I mean, if you're an egg, you can. | ||
| I guess so. | ||
| Well, I mean under how I believe the law works. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think you can do that sort of thing. | ||
| You're giving the law a lot of credit for believing that it's still around, but okay. | ||
| So he's forced out of this company that he started, which is a huge consequence, even if he dodged jail time, and has come out later and said that he was super drunk. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Which isn't great. | ||
| It doesn't make it better, but it's like, alright, there's a drunk dude who's running his goddamn mouth. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that's the problem with Twitter. | ||
| I've gotten drunken in my apartment alone. | ||
| I have shouted very loud things of a very similar nature. | ||
| On Thursday night, you got banned. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| I did get banned from Twitter for 12 hours. | ||
| You told CNN to fuck itself? | ||
| I was trying to go through every possible news network and tell them to go fuck themselves because immediately after those bombs were sent out, they had... | ||
| Archetypal cocksucker after archetypal cocksucker. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| Of general praising how this is the most presidential Trump looks. | ||
| And they're like, look at these gorgeous missiles and shit like that. | ||
| Yeah, no, no, no. | ||
| Please. | ||
| If anybody deserves scorn today, and we tweeted it out, you know, I'm more ashamed of fucking CNBC than I am. | ||
| Of Alex Jones yesterday. | ||
| They should know better. | ||
| They should fucking know better. | ||
| Alex is a propagandist, and they, in theory, aren't. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Unless we're running up to Iraq War number two, the re-rackoning. | ||
| We need to go back to the days of McNeil-er-er-er. | ||
| Ooh, I just swallowed that. | ||
| McNeil-er-er-er. | ||
| What happened was I realized I forgot Lehrer's name. | ||
| As I was saying McNeil. | ||
| As I said McNeil, I forgot Lehrer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that's what we need to go back to. | ||
| Fucking boring-ass journalism. | ||
| That's what we need to go back to. | ||
| None of this salacious shit. | ||
| Just, you know what? | ||
| You know what's the most crowd-pleasing part of the McNeil-Larer hour? | ||
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What? | |
| That weird little theme song they had. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Then it got real quiet. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| We need to go back to that. | ||
| We won't. | ||
| No, that cat's gone. | ||
| That bag, that cat are drowned in the middle of the fucking lake. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Alex, already, in setting this up, has lied about... | ||
| He didn't lie about Robert De Niro, but I just disagree that that means anything. | ||
| I don't care if Robert De Niro wants to punch the president. | ||
| No, I don't care either. | ||
| Later, he's going to talk about Mickey Rourke, too, because Mickey Rourke said he wanted... | ||
| Don't pick on Mickey Rourke. | ||
| Hasn't he been through enough? | ||
| He's been through a lot. | ||
| But he said that he wanted some time alone with Trump with a baseball bat. | ||
| And called him a big puss. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't know what Mickey Rourke is into anymore. | ||
| He's really into sounding. | ||
| Extreme sounding. | ||
| I mean, really into sounding. | ||
| But like, yeah, okay. | ||
| That is frighteningly so. | ||
| That is violent imagery and a violent suggestion about the president. | ||
| Sure, that's a little bit more extreme, but look, man, they're not saying they want to kill the president. | ||
| Just beat him up a bit. | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, and it's even more indicative that he is, once again, picking on actors. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because he does not know the difference between fantasy and reality. | ||
| So, why not? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| The Madonna part's a lie. | ||
| The CEO part, I kind of agree he should have been arrested, but it's not really an issue with someone running his mouth drunk on Twitter. | ||
| And so, here we go. | ||
| We go into... | ||
| I mean, for fuck's sakes, Alex threatened to beat up Schiff! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In the same fucking way! | ||
| But we're going to get to his explanation about that. | ||
| The same fucking way! | ||
| We're going to get to his explanation. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I'm starting to think there are a lot of people on the right who are hypocrites. | ||
| Who perhaps you can pick out one thing that they said three years ago in relation to Obama, and then a thing that they said now that is the exact opposite. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| In relation to Trump. | ||
| Alex has more. | ||
| Word for word. | ||
| Alex has more threats he wants to discuss. | ||
| And we've seen countless newspapers from the LA Times to the New York Times with their writers saying someone killed Trump or I want to kill Trump. | ||
| It's been incredible. | ||
| And I've been pointing this out all along. | ||
| He's been pointing it out. | ||
| By the very literal definition of incredible, he is correct. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| Incredible. | ||
| He is not credible. | ||
| He has been pointing this out all along, but he's lying. | ||
| The New York Times and LA Times, I can't find any instances of their writers calling for assassinations. | ||
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Nope. | |
| There was a London Times writer who got in trouble for saying something in a tweet along the lines of, this assassination is taking a long time. | ||
| Which is uncomfortable. | ||
| That's not really something, yeah, no, I'm cool with that. | ||
| It's unwise. | ||
| I mean, unless it was him planning it. | ||
| It was a her. | ||
| Oh, her. | ||
| I can't remember her name. | ||
| Unless it was her planning it, like letting us know, like, dude, this assassination plot is taking forever. | ||
| I'm waiting for a shipment from Acme. | ||
| Because we're going to have to roadrun her this thing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Oh, man, he better walk under this plateau real soon, otherwise my giant rock isn't going to do much. | ||
| But that is an instance of the Times, and I think he got it confused. | ||
| That's my theory on that, because I can't find LA or New York Times writers who have... | ||
| No, he's lying. | ||
| There's no he got it confused. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I still halfway think he couldn't point out London on a map. | ||
| I'm not sure I could. | ||
| I could point out the UK, but I'm not entirely sure where London is in it. | ||
| I know where Wales is. | ||
| How do you know where Wales is and not London? | ||
| Because I remember it's real south. | ||
| Wales is at the bottom of the UK. | ||
| You're looking at me weird. | ||
| Am I wrong? | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| Where's Wales? | ||
| Wales is in the Northwest. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| What's in the South? | ||
| The South is England. | ||
| I almost said London. | ||
| I'm talking all about England. | ||
| Uh, no! | ||
| No! | ||
| What? | ||
| What is happening right now? | ||
| What is going on here? | ||
| Do you think... | ||
| I really thought Wales... | ||
| Do you think England is the entire island? | ||
| No, I don't. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I understand... | ||
| So it goes England, Scotland, Wales, and then Ireland is over there. | ||
| Wales is north of Scotland? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Boy, I had this wrong. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| God, now I have to double check. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| I really thought that Wales was in the south of England. | ||
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Now I'm fucking terrified. | |
| Am I the idiot? | ||
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Jesus. | |
| I don't think so, because you were just there. | ||
| I was just there, but that doesn't mean I'm not an idiot. | ||
| I was just there in the same sense of like, let's see. | ||
| No, I'm pretty sure I'm right. | ||
| I really don't think that Wales is north of Scotland. | ||
| That part to me seems crazy. | ||
| This is great pod, by the way. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I'm good. | ||
| I'm good. | ||
| Let's leave this one alone. | ||
| I'll look it up as we listen to this next clip. | ||
| This is Alex Jones. | ||
| I mean, it's just a lie. | ||
| We're going to lose this fight for America weak and violence. | ||
| I'm one of the biggest proponents of nonviolence and Mahatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King. | ||
| Everybody knows that. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Everyone knows that. | ||
| Everyone knows this. | ||
| Now let's take a little walk down memory lane about some of the things that Alex has said. | ||
| He's put multiple people into comas. | ||
| Alex Jones, this is your life. | ||
| And we have somebody in a coma right now. | ||
| Oh no, they're not going to be able to talk. | ||
| Oh, he's not going to appear because he sued your dad. | ||
| He legally probably can't discuss this. | ||
| He constantly tells stories about violence. | ||
| He constantly threatens people. | ||
| The idea that he's trying to put himself also... | ||
| And he suggests always that violence is the only way to solve problems. | ||
| Like a man. | ||
| We'll show these pansies what's up once we get violent and shit like that. | ||
| It's all about macho... | ||
| Get rid of all your fancy pants smartness. | ||
| I'm sick of you engineers telling me how to throw bombs. | ||
| You put them on your shoulder, you toss them over the sea, that's throwing a bomb. | ||
| Also, speaking of fancy pants, in case you couldn't hear it over that last clip, I was right. | ||
| Wales is in the south. | ||
| I know! | ||
| God, it's southwest. | ||
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Fuck! | |
| Now I feel like a complete idiot. | ||
| I actually would have thought it was southeast, so if we would have gotten to even finer points, I would have then been wrong. | ||
| Well, that's where London is. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| Yeah, it's in the southeast. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
|
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So now we all know where London is on the map! | |
| And Alex is fucking like Gandhi, which I appreciate and I disagree with. | ||
| This next clip... | ||
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I can't think of anybody less like Gandhi! | |
| Although, if Alex could, he would sleep on a pile of naked women. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| I also don't think that Alex would do well in a hunger strike. | ||
| Hey, you can still drink, man. | ||
| Look, I'm not going to eat, but can I still take super mail? | ||
| Get me some wild turkey and I'll go on a hunger strike. | ||
| Yeah, Jesus. | ||
| Anyway, here's this next one. | ||
| This is Alex lying more, but then we also get context for the fill your hand. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This is the clip where it goes down. | ||
| This is where we learn the truth. | ||
| But now we've got Newsweek and a whole bunch of other publications coming out today saying Alex Jones' threat to congressmen may be a felony. | ||
| Now, notice, I made some of these comments that they've twisted a week ago. | ||
| So they've sat around and waited and run this by U.S. attorneys and others. | ||
| They didn't. | ||
| But it is true that... | ||
| Maybe they should have. | ||
| It's true that they did wait a week or so. | ||
| And that's bullshit. | ||
| We covered it when it happened. | ||
| Except for we recorded it over the weekend and released it on Monday because it's a fucking podcast. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, like, they did wait. | ||
| Because we're not a news organization. | ||
| But if we were, we could have put it out over the weekend. | ||
| Or if it made sense to release podcasts over the weekend, we could have put it up immediately. | ||
| He did that on a Thursday. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So, like, that is fucked up that if they were that outraged, they did wait that long. | ||
| Yeah, you know what they say about outrage. | ||
| It takes a week to simmer. | ||
| He posted that on Thursday, the 30th of March, and Media Matters posted their shit on the 4th of April. | ||
| That's Tuesday of the next week. | ||
| That's an insane lag time. | ||
| I don't know why they didn't know about this. | ||
| Well, because they're not paying attention. | ||
| Obviously they are. | ||
| Somebody shared a clip with them. | ||
| No, obviously they have some employee who's just watching Alex Jones all the time. | ||
| No! | ||
| They have to. | ||
| No! | ||
| You're literally the only person who just watches Alex Jones all the time. | ||
| Do you think that they got it from us? | ||
| No, I don't think they got it from us. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Here's what happened. | ||
| They don't have anybody paying attention. | ||
| They might have gotten it from us. | ||
| Our episode came out that Monday. | ||
| Yeah, but somebody probably pointed to a clip somewhere. | ||
| Who heard it from us? | ||
| We're not the only people on the internet. | ||
| There are people posting up clips of him whenever he does shit. | ||
| I'm sure somebody got it shared and it went to this guy and it went to this guy like a meme and eventually it went to a news outlet. | ||
| This is why we're never going to make it. | ||
| You have to pretend it was us. | ||
| If we were Alex, we would be certain it was us. | ||
| That's true, we would be. | ||
| We would lie about sources telling us it was us. | ||
| We have very high-level sources in media matters. | ||
| Who are 99% accurate, just like us. | ||
| That'd be great if we only had one source, but it was George Soros. | ||
| Jorge Soros has told us. | ||
| So I don't believe at all that they've run this by Justice Department. | ||
| Attorney generals or anything like that. | ||
| What the truth is, is these articles are speculating about whether or not it is a crime to say you're going to beat up a senator or a House member. | ||
| And that's bullshit in and of itself, too. | ||
| Because Alex didn't. | ||
| No. | ||
| In that expletive-laced rant, he didn't say, I'm going to kick your ass. | ||
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Nope. | |
| He just said, those are fighting words. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And if you were to say to my face... | ||
| That I was an agent of Russia, I would kick your ass. | ||
| And it would be within the context of a fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not like he's threatening to go to shift. | ||
| If we were guys at a bar and you called me a Russian agent, I would kick your ass. | ||
| I mean, you wouldn't do that. | ||
| No, but that's what he's saying. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It's within a hypothetical framework that he's working in. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I don't want to defend Alex, but if you were trying to say that that's a crime, it's not. | ||
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No. | |
| That's bullshit. | ||
| Well, it's like if Mickey Rourke said he wanted to be in a room with Trump with a baseball bat. | ||
| Bingo. | ||
| It's very similar to that. | ||
| In fact, it's exactly what that is. | ||
| I think you might have accidentally hit the nail on the head of the entire point of this episode. | ||
| Alex fails to... | ||
| All right, well then wrap it up. | ||
| Let's get out of here. | ||
| Andy. | ||
| Andy and Candace. | ||
| He fails to recognize that in other people when he begs for it. | ||
| That recognition in itself. | ||
| Well, that's, of course. | ||
| But that's the entire, that's the entire system now. | ||
| That's all it is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, it's impossible. | ||
| It's a... | ||
| Hey, kettle. | ||
| It's me, pot. | ||
| You busted. | ||
| You're black. | ||
| Alright, get the fuck away from me. | ||
| We're going to do this podcast. | ||
| We're going to do this podcast. | ||
| I know, but you can't be that clever. | ||
| That's not okay. | ||
| I'm very frustrated with that. | ||
| Alright, let's learn about this turn of phrase Alex is using. | ||
| To then edit my statements together and say the sum of his words mean a threat, like... | ||
| Fill your hand. | ||
| I also talked about suing people that are saying I'm a Russian agent. | ||
| Fill your hand means take action against me if you think you've got what it takes. | ||
| Certainly, I'm not saying I'm John Wayne in True Grit saying fill your hand with a pistol. | ||
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I call it bold talk for a one-eyed fat man. | |
| Fill your hand, you son of a bitch! | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, it was John Wayne. | ||
| That makes it even cooler! | ||
| That's pretty cool. | ||
| You know what's great? | ||
| I feel very good about myself that I immediately recognize the coolness of that without prior context. | ||
| That's so cool. | ||
| John Wayne is so cool. | ||
| He can travel to me through Alex Jones and I know how cool it is. | ||
| John Wayne, fill your hand. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Although, it does change the context a little bit when you know it's not... | ||
| Because I saw fill your hand, like we were talking about, fill your hand with a roll of quarters, which again... | ||
| Fill your hand with a gun. | ||
| That's how much pussies we are. | ||
| We're like, the worst you can do is punch someone. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But yeah, fill your hand with a gun does change things a little bit. | ||
| It's definitely more aggressive. | ||
| Yeah, but it's also in the context of that kind of... | ||
| And now we're in a gentlemanly fight. | ||
| Instead of a, I am going to go after you, it's a, hey, let's turn this into a duel. | ||
| A very macho... | ||
| Ten cases and turn. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| A very macho, mono-e-mono kind of bullshit thing. | ||
| And that makes perfect sense. | ||
| He's a fucking... | ||
| He's the Texan. | ||
| Yeah, he is the Texan. | ||
| He's the Texan. | ||
| Codename Texan. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I still don't think that he's, like, literally... | ||
| Threatening violence or anything like that. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| And this is what we keep coming back to, is free speech doesn't cover threats of violence and slander and libel. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So those sorts of things are not... | ||
| He's still well within his rights. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And we would have discussed if he wasn't when we first covered this clip. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And so anybody suggesting that he should be arrested for this, they're out of line. | ||
| They're way out of line. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I'm not counting this as something we agree with Alex about. | ||
| It just happens to be we're on the same side for different reasons. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| As is almost always the case when we are on the same side. | ||
| We are always unlikely bedfellows. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex goes on to lie a little bit more here. | ||
| Mickey Rourke has come out and called for killing the president and says he wants to kill him. | ||
| Thousands and thousands of prominent people, so much I can't even keep track of it, have come out and said someone needs to kill him or they're going to kill him. | ||
| And none of them are prosecuted. | ||
| None of them get in trouble. | ||
| None of them. | ||
| Mickey Rourke did... | ||
| No, but I'm getting in trouble. | ||
| Mickey Rourke didn't say he wanted to kill him, just said he wanted to be alone in a hotel room with a baseball bat. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| But you could extrapolate. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you know. | ||
| It's, again, we're coming down to this. | ||
| It's not illegal. | ||
| It's unwise. | ||
| He shouldn't have said something like that. | ||
| He's lived a hard life. | ||
| He's lucky he's still famous. | ||
| He's been a drug addict. | ||
| Why are we shitting on him? | ||
| I'm not shitting on him. | ||
| I know, but there's still some part of me that's like, I still kind of see him as his character in The Wrestler. | ||
| That's still how I view him. | ||
| I mean, that's fair. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| But then the thousands of prominent people calling for Trump's assassination is absurd. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| I would like to know his definition of prominent. | ||
| That's exactly my point. | ||
| I found an article about 1,200 people threatened to assassinate him on Twitter. | ||
| But who are these people? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Who cares? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who fucking cares what dumbasses say on Twitter? | ||
| Well, actually, Trump does. | ||
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Clearly. | |
| Because he just tried to get a certain account unmasked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they quickly pulled that after they remembered there is a constitution. | ||
| And then the, well, Twitter sued the government. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| But you know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like, I don't think it's right, even if you are on Twitter, to say you're going to kill the president or you want to. | ||
| No. | ||
| But I also don't think it's fair to make an argument that tons of people want to kill the president, tons of prominent people, based on 1,200 people on Twitter. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Considering how many people are on Twitter, that's a shockingly low number. | ||
| That is a shockingly low number. | ||
| There's tons of idiots. | ||
| Well, you should... | ||
| I mean, I would assume that they were smart enough to get a burner account. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You would definitely want to do an anonymous one of those. | ||
| One of them eggs. | ||
| Don't fucking be a prominent person doing that. | ||
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No. | |
| It's a bad idea. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a recipe for trouble. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| So this next clip is where we really get to- Like if you were the CEO of a company, you would get fired. | ||
| That was real dumb of him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So like I said, ramping up to, this next clip is where Alex enters severe bullshit territory. | ||
| To the point where we might have to talk about this next clip for about half an hour. | ||
| Okay! | ||
| It's such bullshit. | ||
| Fascinating. | ||
| It's literal bullshit. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So here we go. | ||
| Then I come out with statements that they edit together that are clearly tongue-in-cheek and basically art performance, as I do in my rants, which I admit I do as a form of art, and they turn that in to a premeditated plan that I'm trying to influence that chicken neck, Schiff, who has made up all this crap about Trump and Russians and has been caught lying, saying that Rice wasn't spying. | ||
| This guy's a loser. | ||
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Rice wasn't spying? | |
| When I say I'm going to kick your ass. | ||
| Oh, I thought he meant literal rice. | ||
| I say every day, we're going to destroy you with the truth. | ||
| We're going to annihilate you with our speech. | ||
| We are in a war against enemies who are a bunch of liars and that we are winning via information warfare or info wars. | ||
| That's like in the middle of the movie. | ||
| Oh no! | ||
| We've got snakes on a plane! | ||
| Like, that's what he just did. | ||
| We're in an info world! | ||
| Yeah, exactly! | ||
| Yeah, what an idiot. | ||
| And 30 minutes in, we have a title. | ||
| So fucking stupid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My rants are art pieces. | ||
| God! | ||
| I never get enough surprise! | ||
| How does that happen now, that he thinks his rants are art pieces? | ||
| Now imagine someone he's against on the left. | ||
| Who was like, I don't know, vitriolic and angry against Trump. | ||
| Oh man, if Marc Maron were still on the air, they would just have a constant fight. | ||
| Well, but imagine one of those types saying that my rants against Trump are art. | ||
| He would never stop making fun of them, calling them fairies. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Like, your shit is an art piece. | |
| Get off that shit, you asshole. | ||
| There's no fucking way. | ||
| You see the videos. | ||
| He does cover those rants with semen. | ||
| So it is an art piece. | ||
| Diseased semen. | ||
| Diseased semen and breast milk. | ||
| Yeah, and he spent $50 million on that last rant. | ||
| He's furious. | ||
| To me, art. | ||
| Performance art is measured, generally. | ||
| Now, it can contain rage and anger and those sorts of things as tools, but they're always pre-designed in order to elicit a certain reaction. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So whenever you're talking about performance art, there needs to be a point to it. | ||
| And most of the time, as we've documented over the last four months or so... | ||
| Whenever he's going off on these rants, there isn't a point. | ||
| He often loses the thread in the middle of it. | ||
| Especially when he's been drinking. | ||
| Yeah, and so the idea... | ||
| The four ways to learn are all whiskey. | ||
| And one of them is learn. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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Three of them are whiskey. | |
| In fact, the only way to learn, actually. | ||
| Now let me ask you this question. | ||
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What? | |
| That's just how it ended. | ||
| I love it so much. | ||
| Are we just going to do dueling Alex Joneses one day? | ||
| Yeah, that's what this inevitably leads to. | ||
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No, Jordan. | |
| No, Jordan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Yeah, Dan. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm not good at improv. | ||
| My point is that, like... | ||
| It's such a dangerously stupid cop-out to say that what you're doing is performance art. | ||
| Because once you open that can of worms, now I'm open to attack everything you're doing as performance art. | ||
| So every serious point you try and make... | ||
| That is a really good point! | ||
| Wow! | ||
| I didn't connect that dot until you just... | ||
| Holy shit! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So now... | ||
| You don't really have any legitimacy. | ||
| Every time you bring up a source, you could just be using that as a fake prop. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Every single thing you say is now no longer credible, as it was before. | ||
| Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You tried to pass it off as such. | ||
| Like, yeah. | ||
| This is a stage show now, wherein you can comment on it critically. | ||
| You can't take any of it seriously. | ||
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All we can do is talk about its theatrical merits. | |
| Yeah! | ||
| I wonder, does he reveal truly the boiling underpinning of racist rage from conservatives? | ||
| This is something that I used to have lots of conversations about and have abandoned lately in the last years or so because it's no longer interesting necessarily. | ||
| But there was a lot of conversations I've had about the idea that people like Rush Limbaugh, people like Ann Coulter are actually performance artists. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And what they're doing is essentially a weird parody of the right. | ||
| Ugh. | ||
| That's dumb. | ||
| Well, but it goes into the same argument. | ||
| Stephen Colbert did a parody of the writing. | ||
| But whenever you bring up that boondocks clip... | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| There is that idea within it. | ||
| The idea that, like, I don't really believe the things I'm saying. | ||
| I'm just trying to get attention. | ||
| Well, I mean, that does kind of have to be the truth of that, at least to some extent. | ||
| Like, Brian Williams doesn't believe a bunch of the shit he says. | ||
| No, he's a newsreader. | ||
| He's a pretty man who reads the news. | ||
| He's a reader. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| He's not a journalist. | ||
| He doesn't have thoughts or feelings of his own. | ||
| He's an empty vessel for whatever a shitty writer says. | ||
| And now further, Susan Rice, for all her... | ||
| Problems. | ||
| Because she does have some... | ||
| She has a dicey history. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There are some red flags on her, but... | ||
| I have completely ignored the Susan Rice shit. | ||
| That is so clearly nonsense that I just let that go. | ||
| Let me lay it out for you. | ||
| She wanted to... | ||
| She got some, like, intelligence briefings, and they had people... | ||
| Who are U.S. citizens engaged in some really shady shit, and she requested that those names be released to her, and they unmasked them. | ||
| The intelligence community unmasked them at her request. | ||
| They declassify that stuff? | ||
| Internally. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's no leaking that was going on. | ||
| She was also the national security advisor. | ||
| She had every right to do that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| But it sounds like it's a thing. | ||
| It sounds like it's a thing. | ||
| Right, and she's an African-American woman, so that's a nice target for these ding-dongs. | ||
| Ooh, that's the good stuff if you're a racist. | ||
| Yeah, so all these people have just piled on. | ||
| There's nothing racist hate more than African-American women. | ||
| Especially in positions of authority. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Especially in positions of authority, attacking your white male, white nationalist allies. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| I don't think that's the entire story there. | ||
| It's really close to the entire story. | ||
| That's the two things they hate most. | ||
| Color different from their own and a vagina? | ||
| Uh-uh. | ||
| Not in my America. | ||
| It's a desperation play. | ||
| It's like, oh shit, let's make a mountain out of this molehill because the walls are closing in about our guys. | ||
| Yeah, but I've read, you know, I sent this to you earlier. | ||
| I found out that my dad reads The Spectator. | ||
| And that's basically InfoWars Lite. | ||
| It's the same basic narrative couched in less insanity. | ||
| Less showmanship. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, exactly. | ||
| Like the whole Susan Rice thing. | ||
| They don't go as far as to say she was a spy, but they push the same narrative of this means that they were watching Trump and that they are... | ||
| In open rebellion, like the whole thing. | ||
| Nobody believes in reality on the right. | ||
| That's done for. | ||
| A lot on the left don't either, to be fair. | ||
| Yeah, no, that's true. | ||
| It's just wholly different versions of it, and one is incredibly hateful. | ||
| I would prefer to live in the reality of the left than the right. | ||
| If I have to choose a fantasy world. | ||
| If I were a black woman, yeah. | ||
| Even as a white male, if I have to choose a fantasy world, I'm gonna err on that side every time. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| I'm gonna err on that left side every single time, because that right side is dicey. | ||
| It's dark. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Alex, your ramps are not art performance. | ||
| I want to make that totally clear. | ||
| The facts you cite are not facts. | ||
| Your analysis is not strong. | ||
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You can't read. | |
| I and you now are talking like Shatner. | ||
| Why is this happening? | ||
| So this next clip, Alex has got to bring this all back to dem globalists. | ||
| Oh shit, that's right. | ||
| We haven't really talked about the globalists too much in a bit. | ||
| We are always talking about the globalists. | ||
| Okay, that's a good point. | ||
| But we haven't directly pointed out. | ||
| We've been... | ||
| Globalist adjacent. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| We have not been directly attacking the globalists. | ||
| Well, I mean, our last episode about the child sex trade, that was all globalist motivated. | ||
| Yeah, but see, I still divide that from globalism to be more towards attacking specifically Hillary and the like. | ||
| The episode where he was going to sell his car, that was because of the globalists. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| Globalists hate cars. | ||
| And the globalists want to confuse you about how many ways there are to learn. | ||
| So that's a whole other thing. | ||
| Actually, there's 21 ways to learn. | ||
| Agenda. | ||
| Agenda 21 ways to learn. | ||
| Anyway, here we go. | ||
| Agenda 21 things I hate about you. | ||
| But it does show how desperate they are because they admit that the George Soros-funded Democratic Party-controlled media matters basically put together this edited transcript and... | ||
| He's basically pushing all this and calling for Google to ban us. | ||
| Google's already massively censoring. | ||
| And the leftists are intimidating Google all over the world to go full communist Chinese and completely delist us. | ||
| The problem is we have hundreds of radio affiliates and tens of millions of people every week that visit our websites. | ||
| So, I mean, fair. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Legitimate. | ||
| That is, if you were trying to censor him, that would be a problem. | ||
| Well, the beginning part of that is kind of fair. | ||
| The part that Media Matters didn't edit that clip. | ||
| No, that was the same clip we played. | ||
| They did edit it in the sense that they cut out what was before it and what was after it, but they didn't splice him or anything like that. | ||
| Yeah, no, it wasn't like he said each one of those words in multiple different things that they cut out and put together back to back. | ||
| It wasn't like InfoWars guest Larry C. Johnson. | ||
| When he publicized that fake tape of John Kerry. | ||
| No, it was not like that. | ||
| No, when he legitimately was involved in a hoax that involved spliced clips. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Media Matters just played a selected portion out of context, and that's bad. | ||
| But then if you look at their site, if you look at the articles that Media Matters has put out about Alex... | ||
| They are trying to get him kicked off YouTube. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Well, they have this article that came out on March 27th. | ||
| Google is funding Alex Jones' harassment and hate on YouTube. | ||
| And there are a bunch of articles like this that are about how he's monetized through YouTube. | ||
| And the insinuation is that he shouldn't be. | ||
| Although he's not anymore, is he? | ||
| He does have ads on YouTube, yeah. | ||
| Oh, he does have ads on YouTube. | ||
| I thought that was the same part of ad roll. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| That's a whole separate thing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| As far as I can tell, because whenever I've watched a couple of his clips, they do have ads, pre-rolled stuff. | ||
| But it's murky territory, and I gotta say I disagree with Media Matters on this one, too. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| They're trying to do that not just for Alex Jones, but for all of the racist, hateful YouTube things. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Like, if you are... | ||
| I mean, and that is kind of a tacit endorsement, I would say, that if you are selling ads on racism, then you are directly profiting off racism yourself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I don't disagree with their main thrust. | ||
| But if you're a big enough company, a lot of times there is stuff that slips under your radar. | ||
| Well, and it's not like that's the only evil they're funding. | ||
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No. | |
| They're funding so much evil. | ||
| So much. | ||
| To focus in on Alex, like, what he's doing is horrible. | ||
| But it's not, as far as we've covered, outside of, I think, that misspeaking about tweeting at Chris Cuomo about his kids. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Outside of that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that was misspeaking for the most part. | ||
| I don't think he meant, let's go after these kids. | ||
| I don't think he meant that. | ||
| But beyond that, in the time that- You could make a case for it. | ||
| It's up in the air. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But other than that, in the entire time that we've done this show, he hasn't breached free speech. | ||
| He hasn't. | ||
| He's just said things that are incredibly distasteful. | ||
| Yeah, I would say so. | ||
| If Google were to decide that we don't want to be a part of this, that's well within their... | ||
| That is in their rights, yeah. | ||
| And for Media Matters to say, hey, YouTube, check this out, that's okay too. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| It's not how I would go about it, but I... | ||
| No, you would have a podcast where we talk for an interminable length of time. | ||
| But the thing is, if you do that, if you are Media Matters and you do that, it opens up the gate for Alex to be like, you want to censor me through money. | ||
| You want to attack me and make me economically unviable. | ||
| It's an attack. | ||
| And there is something to be said for a slippery slope kind of situation where now if you put pressure on Google from any direction, they have a precedent of... | ||
| Getting rid of certain types of speech. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So then you have a giant corporation with a significant control over who gets to say what, where and when. | ||
| And that is kind of a net neutrality argument as well. | ||
| I would argue that there is something to be said for their position. | ||
| I don't disagree with them there. | ||
| And if Google did it... | ||
| I wouldn't say that they were doing the wrong thing, but I would say that they are setting a precedent for further control over media. | ||
| As if we needed more corporations controlling our media. | ||
| It opens an unfortunate box, the idea that you can pressure them into doing these sorts of things. | ||
| And I'm not super comfortable with that. | ||
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But even more... | |
| Terrible. | ||
| That I hate about this. | ||
| This is the one thing that really drives me sane about all of these do-good crusades, is that they are always against people who are not the problem. | ||
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No. | |
| Alex Jones is a problem. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He is not the problem. | ||
| Big time. | ||
| And the more you go after these dumb little things, the fucking lady who got on a plane and flew and lost her job because of a dumb tweet. | ||
| The Africa lady. | ||
| And now is she... | ||
| Now she is just a fucking complete and utter ghost. | ||
| She had to leave her life. | ||
| She had to do everything. | ||
| Because the internet's point of view happened to touch her like Sauron's eye. | ||
| And then her whole life is ruined. | ||
| And it's the whole thing. | ||
| And you can come from it from either side. | ||
| The right can fuck up your life if they just suddenly point at you. | ||
| And in both cases... | ||
| That's not the problem you're really against. | ||
| No. | ||
| You're distracting yourself with a tiny little victory, in quotes, when you're not uniting to get the actual problem solved. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| There's a much bigger problem at hand. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Nobody wants to fight the war. | ||
| Everybody wants a quick win. | ||
| Everyone wants the battle, not the war. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't want the knowledge skirmish. | ||
| The knowledge fight. | ||
| Don't do the Infowars thing! | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| You just did what they did! | ||
| I know. | ||
| It was great. | ||
| I told you, we have to start mimicking some of that. | ||
| You nailed it. | ||
| So, also, I want to get to this. | ||
| You are looking back into the Abyss. | ||
| That's really what's going on. | ||
| And I'm succeeding. | ||
| Who is the Abyss in this situation? | ||
| It's pro-wrestler Abyss. | ||
| No, I mean, it's Alex. | ||
| One point I want to make is that there's no... | ||
| We hate Alex more than Media Matters does. | ||
| I'm certain of that. | ||
| I would absolutely agree with you. | ||
| We have documented things that they have not covered at all that are way worse than anything that they ever talk about. | ||
| He is atrocious. | ||
| And they treat him as something that is merely horrendous. | ||
| Now, I want to flip this also. | ||
| We have been more fair to him than they have ever been. | ||
| They would never post something like that episode where half of it was us talking about he's right on this. | ||
| He's right on this. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| And even in this episode, I'm coming to Alex's defense slightly in the sense that I don't think that these articles that say are speculating these should be arrested have any validity to them. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Now, Media Matters didn't write those articles, but be that as it may, we're being so much more fair to him and hate him more. | ||
| That means, I think... | ||
| That we're impartial. | ||
| And we're dealing with the reality. | ||
| Now, I understand your point is fucking well taken that Alex isn't the problem. | ||
| He is a problem. | ||
| But he is what we talk about. | ||
| So we just focus on that. | ||
| Now, at the end of this clip, he was saying that he has hundreds of affiliates. | ||
| Which, as we know, he doesn't. | ||
| He lies about that a ton and claims that we have a bunch of secret affiliates. | ||
| Millions of unique clicks on the website. | ||
| I went to Quantcast because I wanted to check in on that. | ||
| Yeah, we haven't done that since, what, the second or third episode? | ||
| Yeah, I wanted to see if his audience had grown, if things were growing. | ||
| And to be fair, it does appear that the traffic to his website has gone up. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| He's in about the mid-300,000 viewers a day on his website. | ||
| Right, which is... | ||
| And if you're going by the week, technically, that is millions. | ||
| That is 2 million. | ||
| 300,000... | ||
| A day, seven days a week. | ||
| 21. 2.1 million. | ||
| So that is multiple millions. | ||
| So by the strictest definition of what he's saying, yes. | ||
| It is not... | ||
| 45 million, though. | ||
| But it's also not, though, because I'm counting unique viewers, and they go by day. | ||
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Right. | |
| So a lot of those 300,000 are going every day. | ||
| But that's what he's saying. | ||
| It's not per week. | ||
| It's not 2.1 million people. | ||
| No. | ||
| That could be 600,000 people. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Who just keep going back to the site every day. | ||
| Does he say million? | ||
| We're getting bogged down. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The only day that he got... | ||
| He's lying either way. | ||
| The only day that he really had a huge spike... | ||
| Was on March 20th. | ||
| He ended up with 864,000 unique views. | ||
| What was that? | ||
| That was the day that Comey testified in front of the FBI. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| I'm sorry, Comey testified in front of the Intelligence Committee. | ||
| So I'm sure he wound up on Breitbart and... | ||
| Yeah, so he ended up doubling his traffic that day, but it's still... | ||
| I expected to go back and there'd be like, oh my god, crazy huge numbers. | ||
| No, not at all. | ||
| Still pretty consistent? | ||
| Yeah, it's still right around that range. | ||
| And we can say that 25% most likely is of the bot variety. | ||
| Yeah, it's impossible to tell because Quantcast, they don't have a way to ferret that out. | ||
| But again, still 82% male in the audience. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| What do we have here? | ||
| Above the age of 40. 43% is over the age of 45. Yeah, which is slightly younger than Fox News' audience somehow. | ||
| I'm sorry, 53% is over the age of 45. 75% of the audience is over 35. Yeah. | ||
| 6% is 18 or younger. | ||
| 6% is 18 to 24. 85% Caucasian. | ||
| What? | ||
| That's a huge... | ||
| Who could have guessed? | ||
| That's a huge number. | ||
| Who could have guessed? | ||
| That is not... | ||
| That's not irrelevant. | ||
| Never would have guessed. | ||
| That is not irrelevant. | ||
| Couldn't have imagined that thought. | ||
| 3% African American, 2% Asian, 8% Hispanic, 2% other. | ||
| Nothing over 10% except for Caucasian at 85%. | ||
| 55% or, I'm sorry, 53% of them over 45, 82% male. | ||
| Now, what picture are you getting of his fucking audience? | ||
| Does that include albinos? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| So, what if it's 10%? | ||
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Brother Ali? | |
| It's all Brother Ali. | ||
| 10% albinos. | ||
| Also, and I'm not shitting on people who make under this amount, but 40% of his audience makes zero to 50k a year. | ||
| So do we. | ||
| That's us, yeah. | ||
| So I'm not shitting on that, but it is the lowest bracket that they count. | ||
| So the lowest income bracket... | ||
| I think that one's not relevant at all. | ||
| Mainly because I feel like... | ||
| 80% of the world falls in that income bracket. | ||
| And it's much less relevant than the 85% Caucasian. | ||
| Yeah, the most relevant thing is the 85% white. | ||
| And the male, and the age. | ||
| Those are all super relevant. | ||
| 85% white, male, 35 and older. | ||
| But I wanted to check in on all that because they do update these statistics. | ||
| And so, like, his numbers, I believe the last, I can't remember exactly, but I think the last time we checked in, it was not even that bad. | ||
| No. | ||
| In terms of race breakdown and shit like that. | ||
| I think he might be losing minorities, which totally makes sense. | ||
| Shocker. | ||
| But again, the 45 million people watch your stuff every week, it just can't be true. | ||
| Based on the numbers that I've seen on YouTube, based on the fact that you have about 300,000 unique views to your website a day. | ||
| Complete and utter bullshit. | ||
| You have to be adding up every single video that you post and pretending you don't understand that a lot of people watch all of them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I mean, if you want to do that, you're cheating. | ||
| But, I mean, whatever. | ||
| Play the game, baby. | ||
| Play the game. | ||
| Agreed? | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| I don't quite have a response to that that would add anything to that. | ||
| And again, if you want to make the argument that who are you to talk, your numbers are shit, fair enough. | ||
| Yeah, but we don't say that they're not. | ||
| No, we admit that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We just also admit that yours suck too, Alex. | ||
| What a bitch. | ||
| So this next clip is more about the globalists. | ||
| So your attempts to brand us as the violent ones, when you're the ones all over the news, and even Atlantic Monthly and other top publications of the elite saying COG, overthrow Trump, people organizing military coups that were formerly high-level Defense Department, truly seditious stuff, and everybody sits here and takes it. | ||
| And then I go out and make comments that you twist, and then you claim that I'm trying to organize violence against Schiff to influence him. | ||
| Oh, because it's so damning, he calls me a Russian. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| There's no way he couldn't have seen that coming, either. | ||
| No. | ||
| Like, the moment you get that... | ||
| Like, the moment he got that outrage angle, the next day, somebody was like, here's what's gonna happen. | ||
| They're going to pick up that clip or one of them, put it out there, and everybody will be like, we hate Alex Jones. | ||
| That gives you the next angle and so on forever and ever and ever in perpetuity. | ||
| Here is what I believe is the level of premeditation to this. | ||
| Alex had no idea about that when he started ranting on air because he was drunk. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And he was furious. | ||
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Yes. | |
| So you just started spitting this bullshit. | ||
| And eventually, he was tired. | ||
| So tired. | ||
| So tired, but so interested in teaching the babies. | ||
| There's only one way to learn. | ||
| There's four. | ||
| But after the show, probably someone did have that talk with him. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| His brother-in-law, Buckley, probably came over and was like, hey man, now listen up. | ||
| What's going to happen? | ||
| Exactly what you said. | ||
| He just lays it out. | ||
| It's such the easiest... | ||
| Strategically, A to B to C to D, and then... | ||
| It's checkers. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And, I mean, we're covering this clip that Alex put out, and, I mean, the fucking bullshit part about it is the most recent piece that Media Matters put out is Alex Jones claims his violent Adam Schiff remarks were just tongue-in-cheek and art performance. | ||
| So they're going back on it. | ||
| And he's going to say, yeah, exactly, because that's what they are. | ||
| There's no response that will, like, that is impotent. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is worthless. | ||
| I'm Robert, you're glue. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's exactly what's happening. | ||
| Everybody's children. | ||
| Everybody's children. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But then, more to the point of this, I mean, like, the articles that he's talking about... | ||
| Do you know who first said, I'm rubber, you're glue? | ||
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What bounces off me sticks to you? | |
| Peter Rubber? | ||
| John Rain. | ||
| John Wayne. | ||
| Did I say John Rain? | ||
| Edit that out! | ||
| John Wayne. | ||
| That bit would have worked. | ||
| Instead, I failed miserably. | ||
| The articles that he's citing don't say what he says they do. | ||
| He has no comprehension of things. | ||
| He's getting mad about these articles that the globalists are saying all these things in their elite publications. | ||
| Just learn to read, Alex. | ||
| They're both just shouting at the things they're not shouting at. | ||
| They're shouting... | ||
| Like, across the street at each other, but pointed in the opposite direction. | ||
| Like, neither of them are actually engaging with the other one in any kind of meaningful way. | ||
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No. | |
| I've actually done a bit of research into this sort of thing recently that I think is pretty interesting. | ||
| So I'm writing a piece up about Alex Jones' claims that he was a boy genius and was doing... | ||
| All sorts of reading at the age of six. | ||
| Yes, that's right. | ||
| He did say that he had read thousands of books. | ||
| And one of the things that's really interesting is that you, like most people, are able to read around the age of six. | ||
| That is about when you start to read picture books and you start to maybe get into chapters. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Six is the bottom range of like... | ||
| Elementary books. | ||
| Like, we're talking those books that would be in the library with the silver medals on them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You'd get, like, Shel Silverstein and stuff like that around that age. | ||
| That's when you're about ready to deal with that. | ||
| There are advanced readers who are able to read, like, you know, Newbery Award winners. | ||
| I'm not sure if I have those words right. | ||
| Call the Cup medals! | ||
| Right, like Hatchet or something like that. | ||
| No idea. | ||
| You don't remember that? | ||
| That was a big book. | ||
| I remember- The giving tree. | ||
| There was that one. | ||
| I assume that, what, behind two ferns or whatever? | ||
| Bridge to Terabithia. | ||
| No, where the red fern grows. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Not the Scott Aukerman one? | ||
| No, that's what I would hand my six-year-old and just be like, this is what fucking life is like, you piece of shit. | ||
| Now, I think this is- Here's the reason that I bring- Everything you love will die. | ||
| Here's the reason I bring this up, is because he brought up his own literacy, and we've shown repeatedly that his own literacy- Still in question. | ||
| So I did some research into the idea of what age literacy develops and things like that. | ||
| Usually it's about six, but child psychology, the ability to think abstractly doesn't usually develop until about the age of 11. 11 is kind of on the downside of it. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| So, if you don't know, the ability to think abstractly is basically understanding symbolism and metaphor, the idea of dealing with texts critically, using critical thinking, understanding argumentation, those sorts of things, usually aren't around until you're about in, like, fifth grade or so. | ||
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| So, up till that point, most of education is nurturing what's there and being really... | ||
| Simple, with like worksheets. | ||
| Building a base. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So the idea that Alex is like, I was reading all these high-end things when I was six, he probably was, but he wasn't understanding them. | ||
| Either that, or he truly was a child genius prodigy. | ||
| No, but if he was, he wouldn't have dropped out of community college. | ||
| Probably, although many geniuses have dropped out of college in the past. | ||
| Right, but not community college. | ||
| They got into a college to begin with. | ||
| Also... | ||
| I don't want to get into it. | ||
| I looked into the dropout rate of Austin Area Community College. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He should have dropped out. | ||
| I got his back on that. | ||
| It looks like a terrible program. | ||
| But be that as it may, here's my theory that I think holds some water. | ||
| Alex started reading really complicated things when he was young. | ||
| Maybe even the age of six, like he reports. | ||
| But he didn't understand them. | ||
| But because he is very stubborn, because he's bullheaded, Because he's the Texan. | ||
| Self-inflated. | ||
| These sorts of things. | ||
| When he was that young, he thought he was understanding those things. | ||
| So then he never bothered to actually learn how to understand them. | ||
| Bingo. | ||
| That's what your theory is? | ||
| That's your possibility? | ||
| He never felt the need. | ||
| To take the real step into critical thinking. | ||
| He never actually went through... | ||
| He screams about the rites of passage all the time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He never went through abstract thought. | ||
| He only thinks concretely. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Counter theory. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He is lying. | ||
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There's a lot of evidence of that one. | |
| I'm just saying, let's just... | ||
| Occam's razor this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He is not telling the truth. | ||
| But my schema... | ||
| As we have proved many times, he does not. | ||
| My schema, my worldview, my argument that would explain his inability to use literacy correctly would be completely bolstered by him reading all this intellectual shit when he was six and thinking he understood it when he didn't. | ||
| I will engage with you on your own conspiracy theory level. | ||
| This is not a conspiracy theory. | ||
| No, that's true. | ||
| This is a psychoanalysis. | ||
| It's just an unfounded theory. | ||
| It's not, though. | ||
| Do we have any corroboration from any other human being on the planet that Alex Jones can read? | ||
| No. | ||
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| No, but if you went to a therapist and you were talking to the therapist, all they have to go on is your words. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And my words, do you know what my words to a therapist would be? | ||
| Please help me. | ||
| Fill your hand. | ||
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Fill your hand. | |
| I think that if we are dealing with Alex, all we really have to go on is, especially about his childhood shit, is what he says to us. | ||
| So we have to take him at his word, tempered by what we know about him currently. | ||
| But also, yeah, exactly. | ||
| The idea that he was reading intellectual shit when he was younger and didn't understand it, thinks he understands it, matches up with his current state. | ||
| So that's why I think that there's something there. | ||
| I don't think it's a conspiracy theory. | ||
| I think it makes sense. | ||
| Or, again, counter theory, and I will engage with you a little bit more directly on this one. | ||
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Perhaps... | |
| I'm not well. | ||
| He just never developed those critical thinking skills in where you would expect. | ||
| So he didn't necessarily start reading them at 6. Maybe he read them at 15, but... | ||
| He never actually developed the ability to have critical thought. | ||
| No. | ||
| And so... | ||
| I strongly disagree with this theory. | ||
| Here's why. | ||
| He did read that book, None Dare Call It a Conspiracy, that changed his life when he was 12. Right? | ||
| So that had to have happened. | ||
| That's a fixed point? | ||
| In our Doctor Who universe, that is a fixed point in time. | ||
| We can't change that. | ||
| Well, maybe. | ||
| Maybe we could get in the TARDIS and go back and change. | ||
| Oh my god, the world would be so much better. | ||
| I could still be doing freezing point. | ||
| If anybody would know how to use a time machine properly, it would be the two of us. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| All we would do... | ||
| Nope. | ||
| No killing Hitler? | ||
| No thank you. | ||
| No. | ||
| No stopping Stalin, Chairman Mao? | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| What we would do... | ||
| Is we would remove one book from the Austin Public Library. | ||
| Let's bully Alex into not reading that book. | ||
| We got one on the board and then we're out. | ||
| No one last job, no retirement, nothing like that. | ||
| My argument, because I have read None Dare Call It a Conspiracy, is that Alex read this at a point when he could not have been thinking critically. | ||
| Right? | ||
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Okay. | |
| That is a legitimate thought. | ||
| That didn't develop by the time he was 12. So all of this stuff, like, if he's read all of these history books and all these military history books and shit, even before that, because he started when he was six, he had to have been reading them with the same undeveloped brain that he read None Dare Call It a Conspiracy when he was 12. The one he is still using. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He's tried to sell it on air a couple times. | ||
| Did he sign it? | ||
| No, he's just been like, this is the greatest book, it's the best primer in the New World Order. | ||
| I'm not gonna lie to you. | ||
| In the same way that World War II veterans would sometimes grab Nazi helmets and shit as souvenirs, I would definitely keep as a prized possession an Alex Jones signed copy of None Dare Call It A Conspiracy. | ||
| I would put that on my wall right next to what I assume is his torso. | ||
| It's just a big barrel. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I do have a copy of it, and I think pretty soon we should do an episode about it. | ||
| Just because, I mean, why not? | ||
| And I don't want to talk about the serious shit, so we have to come up with other things to do. | ||
| Let's do the None Dare Call It a Conspiracy episode. | ||
| Let's do a Protocols of the Elders of Zion episode. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Let's get a lot of this shit out of the way while this war develops. | ||
| While we still have time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway- Before we're on pirate radio somewhere. | ||
| We've gone a little bit down the rabbit hole here, but Alex Jones here wants to get into- Do you think he's read Watership Down? | ||
| No. | ||
| Has he ever gone down the rabbit hole? | ||
| He's not. | ||
| I'm gonna guess he hasn't read Wind in the Willows. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'm gonna guess he hasn't read anything. | ||
| Mr. Toad's Wild Ride? | ||
| That's it, Wind in the Willows, baby. | ||
| Oh, is it? | ||
| The ride is called Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. | ||
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| At Disneyland. | ||
| Wind in the Willows is where Mr. Toad goes to hell. | ||
| Traumatized me as a boy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Anyway. | ||
| Well, we can all agree he didn't read The Velveteen Rabbit. | ||
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No. | |
| He also didn't read... | ||
| I can't imagine that he actually read anything about World War II based on his actions. | ||
| Because if you read books about World War II, you're going to run into Monsieur Goebbels. | ||
| You're going to run into that cat. | ||
| And Alex is doing exactly what Goebbels would have done. | ||
| So you're saying he ran into Goebbels and was like, I am a fan. | ||
| Or he didn't have any comprehension of what he was reading and read it and took the wrong lesson away from it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, it seems like that's basically what Trump did with Mein Kampf. | ||
| Yeah, which was by his bedside. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| Based on him saying that in an interview. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So this next clip, Alex gets a little bit more into his idea that his rants are art pieces. | ||
| So enjoy that. | ||
| The old saying is, from Earl Haggard, you're walking on the fight inside of me. | ||
| When I fight, I fight in information. | ||
| When I punch somebody, when I talk about... | ||
| Trump dealing death blows or we're in a death battle against communism. | ||
| I don't literally mean death. | ||
| And everybody knows the compendium of my speech and what I stand for is nonviolent when it comes to offense. | ||
| I'm all about defense and everyone knows that. | ||
| Everyone understands that. | ||
| And we see the incredible hypocrisy. | ||
| Of the elitist left, allied with communist China and others, trying to bully this country into submission, trying to brand us as the violent people. | ||
| So let me be clear as I've always been clear. | ||
| I'm against any offensive violence. | ||
| And I am disgusted by the left and Black Lives Matter and the Soros funding groups with hundreds of millions of dollars saying, bang, bang, you know, kill the pigs, murder the police. | ||
| After this, he plays a clip of the new Black Panther Party marching around talking about the only good pig is a dead pig. | ||
| And, hey, you know what? | ||
| I don't encourage killing cops, but I also fucking understand where that comes from because cops keep killing black people. | ||
| But more importantly, this idea that he has, That I like violence as a metaphor. | ||
| I'm into it. | ||
| Because I like rap. | ||
| I like hip-hop. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I like where you're going. | ||
| Whenever I hear rappers talk about metaphorical violence, generally what they're talking about is verbal supremacy. | ||
| You know, they're talking about I'm better at rapping than you, I'm going to murk you on the mic, these sorts of things. | ||
| Yes, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, go with Dead Prez, you know. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Nobody does... | ||
| Actually, bad idea. | ||
| Because I think they would actually go out there with guns. | ||
| I mean, but metaphorically they wouldn't. | ||
| They said that they would go against a tank with a shank. | ||
| Well, I mean, you know, it is time to get the crackers out of City Hall. | ||
| I'm not disagreeing with them there. | ||
| Do you think that mind sex was a metaphor? | ||
| That song Mind Sex. | ||
| No, I think it was inspired by the movie Demolition Man. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| With Sandra Bullock, who is a suspected Nazi. | ||
| Come on now. | ||
| I don't know why that's my stock response to you alleging that Sandra Bullock is a Nazi. | ||
| Come on now. | ||
| I think it's my favorite thing that I know right now, is that perhaps Sandra Bullock... | ||
| Suspected Nazi. | ||
| But more to the point, I get that. | ||
| I get violence metaphors for things that aren't violence. | ||
| That's not what you're doing, Alex. | ||
| You're literally just threatening people. | ||
| You really can't... | ||
| And I do see in his mind, though, how he could believe that he is not about offense and he is all about defense. | ||
| Because in his mind, he is always reacting. | ||
| Because he's paranoid. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| He is always reacting to an attack whether or not it is there. | ||
| So, of course, he feels like every outburst and every attack that he makes is in retaliation. | ||
| Yeah, and when he wants to talk about, like, I only appreciate violence as defense, not offense, I'd like to refer you to everything he said about North Korea. | ||
| He's literally said we need to first strike them. | ||
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| And China, too. | ||
| And he's said that, yes, 90% of people are going to die, and China's agreed to it. | ||
| Yeah, it's all part of the arrangement. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They've screwed us over. | ||
| They've turned... | ||
| So this next clip is sort of... | ||
| He gets a little bit more into the violence metaphors here in the next clip. | ||
| They've got a lot of nerve after their jihad the last year, plus calling for violence against Donald Trump, his supporters, beating him up, you name it. | ||
| Nope. | ||
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Wrong. | |
| To then come out and claim... | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| That I am now committing crimes talking about in a rant, I want to kick your butt or whatever, when clearly I'm talking about the information war. | ||
| Unbelievable. | ||
| Unbelievable. | ||
| It is unbelievable. | ||
| So if you want to diagram that, he's saying that these people have been saying these horribly violent things and trying to overthrow Trump through murder. | ||
| Also, they've been picking fights and attacking Trump supporters. | ||
| And then they're wrong for, you know, trying to say that I committed a crime by this rant I did on Schiff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now here's what's fun about this. | ||
| What is fun about that? | ||
| Using formal logic. | ||
| Ooh, you're treading in dangerous waters, my friend. | ||
| No. | ||
| That statement is totally cool. | ||
| You twisted the shit out of me! | ||
| You know why? | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because everything is a lie. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
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It's true. | |
| The argument that he's trying to make is just two lies as premises and a lie as a... | ||
| Collusion? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
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| Good point. | ||
| Good point. | ||
| There's no truth involved, so you don't have to preserve it. | ||
| That is a non-existent statement. | ||
| The only time you get in trouble with logic is when you have true premises that lead to a false conclusion. | ||
| That is where you get into trouble with logic. | ||
| That means that your inference is wrong. | ||
| That means that you claiming that your premises lead to your conclusion, that's off. | ||
| But when you say two false things and they lead to a true conclusion, that's okay. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| So, when you do two false things and they lead to a false conclusion, also okay. | ||
| It all doesn't matter. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| So, in this case... | ||
| In your summation... | ||
| What he just said doesn't matter. | ||
| No, it doesn't. | ||
| It doesn't. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| Moving on, then. | ||
| It's super wrong, but it doesn't matter. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You're not making an argument. | ||
| Done and done. | ||
| Congratulations, you have said nothing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That should be the end of his show. | ||
| I'll say this, even if we want to... | ||
| Thank you for watching the Infowars. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| I've said nothing. | ||
| Even if you want to grant that it's possible that his conclusion that people are out of line for saying he should be arrested or whatever, you know, like that. | ||
| If you want to grant that as a true statement, still doesn't matter. | ||
| Still doesn't matter. | ||
| His premises were false. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| All bullshit. | ||
| Bullshit from start to finish, my friend. | ||
| It's so delicious. | ||
| As someone who has the ability to think critically and to engage with... | ||
| The arguments of a lunatic. | ||
| I'm against that. | ||
| It's so fun. | ||
| That clip was so fun for me. | ||
| Disagree. | ||
| Anyway, Alex has more evidence that Trump is being threatened. | ||
| But it doesn't stop there. | ||
| We've got Bow Wow saying he wants to kidnap. | ||
| That's Snoop Dogg's rescue, big rapper. | ||
| Say Bow Wow again. | ||
| Kidnap the president's wife and put her into sex slavery. | ||
| That's okay, though. | ||
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| Snoop Dogg comes out a few weeks ago with a big video pushed by Viacom and basically says, go out and murder the president, shoot him in the head, kill police. | ||
| That's totally okay with the Democrats. | ||
| CEO threatens to assassinate Trump with sniper rifle at the White House. | ||
| Again, nothing's done to him. | ||
| So who's going to assassinate Trump? | ||
| Twitter erupts with calls for Donald Trump to be killed. | ||
| Again, I mentioned this. | ||
| You've got Mickey Rourke threatens to kill Trump in a profanity-laced tirade. | ||
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Black Lives Matter calls for killing police at CBS News. | |
| On and on and on. | ||
| What a monster. | ||
| What a monster. | ||
| This is all within this ten minute clip. | ||
| He's just repeating everything. | ||
| All those same examples. | ||
| He has nothing. | ||
| There's nothing. | ||
| And there's just like tons of people on Twitter. | ||
| Now let's deal with that Bow Wow situation for a little bit. | ||
| What did Bow Wow say? | ||
| And how many times can we say Bow Wow? | ||
| On this podcast. | ||
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Come with it now. | |
| It's kind of. | ||
| Anyway, Snoop Dogg put out that video. | ||
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Do you think there's an Alex Jones parody porn video? | |
| Oh, I hope not. | ||
| Oh, that would be the worst, right? | ||
| Oh, please don't introduce these sorts of thoughts into my head. | ||
| Although that would be a great episode for us. | ||
| So Snoop Dogg put out the song called Lavender, and that's the one where he puts a gun up to... | ||
| Yeah, the video, and it says bang whenever it comes out. | ||
| Yeah, I gotcha. | ||
| The cartoon... | ||
| Cartoon violence. | ||
| Trope. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, thousands of people have been on Twitter calling for the death of Daffy Duck, so there is that too. | ||
| Everyone got super mad on the right about it. | ||
| A bunch of people got really pissed off. | ||
| Trump tweeted at Snoop Dogg about his failing career. | ||
| What world do we live in? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Are we done? | ||
| Can we just be done? | ||
| You just said the words, Trump tweeted at Snoop Dogg, and I had to realize you meant... | ||
| President of the United States Trump tweeted at Snoop Dogg. | ||
| Can we... | ||
| It's so dark. | ||
| Somehow... | ||
| It's so dark. | ||
| How do I exist on a moment-to-moment basis in this world thinking that things are normal? | ||
| President of the United States Trump tweeted at Snoop Dogg. | ||
| So then, in response... | ||
| Bow Wow tweeted that's like, hey, you bitch. | ||
| Like, he just got mad at Trump and was like, you talking about my uncle like that? | ||
| He's not literally his uncle. | ||
| That's just hip-hop language. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| Alex. | ||
| For our whiter listeners? | ||
| For our Alex Jones listeners. | ||
| For the Alex Jones listeners, yeah. | ||
| So the connection between the two is that when Lil Bow Wow was Lil Bow Wow, he was Jermaine Dupri's disciple. | ||
| He was a little boy rapper. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And actor. | ||
| And Snoop Dogg gave him his name. | ||
| He's like, you're my Lil Bow Wow. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so the two of them have had a connection throughout. | ||
| I mean, he's like in his 20s now. | ||
| He's an adult. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Bow Wow tweeted, we'll see what you think when we pimp your wife. | ||
| That's pretty funny. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| That's pretty funny. | ||
| Again, it's not good. | ||
| It's not, well, it's still pretty funny. | ||
| Right, but they're not... | ||
| I'm still on board with Bow Wow. | ||
| They're not literally... | ||
| If I'm picking a side... | ||
| I'm on Bow Wow's side this time. | ||
| Of course, because the other side is absolutely not. | ||
| The other side is horrific. | ||
| Again, I'll err on the side of Bow Wow. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But like him saying... | ||
| That's my new euphemism for all of my thoughts. | ||
| I'm going to err on the side of Bow Wow on this one, guys. | ||
| I think car washes should be universal. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Him saying, we're going to pimp your wife and make her work for us. | ||
| Like, that's not really a threat. | ||
| No. | ||
| That is... | ||
| It's just some aggressive imagery. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Unless Melania's into it, which we don't know for sure. | ||
| No. | ||
| We're not insinuating that she's into it. | ||
| But she is married to Trump, which suggests she was bought at one point. | ||
| Well, the most important point, I think, even taking that aside, is that this entire time Alex has been talking about his violence metaphors and how everything is a metaphor for the info war. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Without really engaging and recognizing that this idea of I'm going to pimp your wife is definitely misogynistic, and I don't enjoy that. | ||
| I don't think it's right. | ||
| There's feminism implications. | ||
| But it is info pimping. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, no, but what it is, is... | ||
| It's braggadocio. | ||
| It is within the world of hip-hop. | ||
| There are feminist implications that we should recognize and be like, that's not great! | ||
| Jones is expecting you to give him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to his threats, and he refuses to give anyone else even the slightest benefit of the doubt when it comes to theirs. | ||
| Especially black people. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| It's utter insanity. | ||
| I really don't like how long we've been going on about this. | ||
| We're really making a meal out of this. | ||
| I think it's just because we both love to say Bow Wow. | ||
| Bow Wow. | ||
| So this next clip, it gets back to his performance art point, and we'll see if he makes more sense now. | ||
| When I say performance art, I mean, I let myself get angry. | ||
| I let myself say satirical things, wild things, whatever. | ||
| But what I'm saying... | ||
| You know, you're a jerk. | ||
| You're a piece of crap. | ||
| Say that to my face. | ||
| I say you people. | ||
| You know, notice I'm talking about the whole power structure here where I talk about you're the people. | ||
| You're the people calling for violence. | ||
| You're the people pushing all this crap. | ||
| Oh, then they say have the FCC shut me down. | ||
| I said this on an internet feed. | ||
| I didn't say it on my commercial radio show. | ||
| I said it late at night to an adult audience, and it's nothing Bill Maher doesn't say. | ||
| So let me be clear again, because I don't want there to be any. | ||
| Well, I mean... | ||
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I don't entirely disagree with some of the things he said. | |
| The left is, I mean, if you talk about people in Congress, yeah, they're super unpopular. | ||
| Well, I mean, the fact that he was doing it, he wasn't doing it on his radio show. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| He was doing it on a late night broadcast. | ||
| No, but that's the argument we've already made. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| He wasn't breaking any laws. | ||
| Also, if you're asking the FCC to do anything right now, you are not going to get any help there. | ||
| They busy. | ||
| Our FCC is not busy at all. | ||
| Or perhaps it is very busy. | ||
| Doing everything it can to avoid having any responsibility. | ||
| They're busy being unstaffed. | ||
| They're busy being worthless. | ||
| But the idea, like, one of the most effective things that you can do in terms of getting people to think you're doing something when you're not is pretending you have a big enemy. | ||
| Like, you're pretending that I've got this massive force out to get me. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so this idea that anyone really is trying to get the FCC to shut him down is absurd. | ||
| It's absolutely... | ||
| It's not really happening. | ||
| I don't even think Media Matters is doing that. | ||
| And you wouldn't... | ||
| No matter which side you're on, you wouldn't want the FCC having that power. | ||
| No! | ||
| That's the government. | ||
| Dear God, no. | ||
| Like, Google is bad enough if you want them to do something about it. | ||
| The FCC having the power to go after... | ||
| Protected speech? | ||
| That is not good. | ||
| No. | ||
| You don't want to open that door, period. | ||
| No, and everyone... | ||
| Because our podcast would definitely not be on the air. | ||
| No, and everyone knows that. | ||
| Everyone fucking knows that. | ||
| Not everyone knows that. | ||
| But everyone who would petition the FCC knows that. | ||
| So, next clip! | ||
| This next clip. | ||
| This next clip, Jordan, is the end. | ||
| This is the summation that Alex makes. | ||
| And I want to be very clear about this. | ||
| I don't think he's made a point. | ||
| When we get to the end of this, let this play out. | ||
| This is how he ends the clip. | ||
| Ends with a real slam dunk of a burn. | ||
| But I really don't think he's made a point by the end of this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Now, quite frankly, am I worried about being indicted as they're calling for this? | ||
| Absolutely not, because I know what I said. | ||
| I know the intent of what I said. | ||
| And I know that the people that are pushing for me to be arrested and actually lobbying for it are the ones calling for the president to actually be overthrown violently. | ||
| I'm trying to stop violence and have stability in this republic. | ||
| But that said, it will be quite a bit of publicity if they finally come right out and indict me as the Democrats are calling for it. | ||
| So I do have to be careful, though, about what I say, because it would be taken out of context. | ||
| So, again, I just want to be clear. | ||
| I mean, no violence against Mr. Schiff. | ||
| I know the guy's a liar. | ||
| I know that he is an attack dog of the Democrats. | ||
| I know that he's really trying to hurt this country, so I dislike him. | ||
| But I wish no harm on him or his wife or his children or anybody else so that he can't hurt. | ||
| It almost sounds like someone threatened to sue him again. | ||
| Yeah, that was it. | ||
| That is very much a quick retraction. | ||
| But also the idea that, like, I know that he's bad for this country, but I don't wish... | ||
| That kind of goes against his character. | ||
| Does Schiff have a wife? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He has kids. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| What's his wife's name? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I did see an article about his family. | ||
| I was going to say, don't lie to me. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| I saw an article about his family. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's not my business. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| I was just waiting for a... | ||
| But listen, do you agree with me at the point that if he thinks that someone is an enemy of the country, is bad for the country... | ||
| That is, in and of itself, advocating violence of a certain sort. | ||
| But also, it means that he should wish them ill, based on his own premises. | ||
| Yeah, well, but, I mean, if you take all of his previous statements together, wherein if you are an enemy, If you are an actor against the state, if you are advocating violent overthrow... | ||
| In the past, he has said, the only way that we can stop you is by using your own tactics against you, which presumably means violence of some sort. | ||
| So if he is to say that now, saying, no, I never advocate violence, I know he is exactly all of the things which I have in the past advocated violence against, but not in this particular instance am I doing so. | ||
| No, it doesn't make any goddamn sense. | ||
| No. | ||
| He is full of bullshit in that regard. | ||
| And it's a weird retraction that I really... | ||
| I mean, it... | ||
| That one's weird. | ||
| It smells like a letter might have gotten sent to him, much like Elephantus with the Pizzagate stuff. | ||
| I mean, I think the rock is cooking. | ||
| Do you smell it? | ||
| I think I smell it. | ||
| All right, well, this isn't quite done. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| This is not a retraction. | ||
| This is a clarification. | ||
| Yes, I don't want violence. | ||
| You guys are openly calling for it everywhere. | ||
| So I think then you should ask yourselves what hypocrite planet you woke up on when I say one-tenth. | ||
| Of what you said, clearly jesting, and then you take it as serious and call for my incarceration for six years in federal prisons. | ||
| Good luck with that, hypocrites. | ||
| I am very proud to announce the introduction of the highest quality InfoWars Biome Defense probiotics. | ||
| I didn't cut that at all. | ||
| I didn't edit it. | ||
| He immediately dropped a commercial in after he was like... | ||
| I hope you guys are fine with that, you hypocrites. | ||
| And then did a wink. | ||
| He did a big wink. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| And then immediately went into a probiotic commercial. | ||
| Where did he get six years exactly? | ||
| That was a really weird drop right there. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Is there some sort of don't be a dick law where it's like, oh, if you say some homophobic shit. | ||
| We'll put you away. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I don't know. | ||
| I think he probably was scatting. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| I don't know what that... | ||
| Six years. | ||
| So, my point is that that is, unfortunately, an effective video. | ||
| Like, we had some problems with it. | ||
| There's a lot of bullshit within it. | ||
| But some of the points he's making are founded. | ||
| In terms of, like, ratio-wise, I would say on any given episode, we're at, like... | ||
| 99% bullshit? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And in this 10 minutes we're at more like 60-40 bullshit. | ||
| I would say 70-30 maybe. | ||
| I think you're a little generous. | ||
| Because it's a lot of bullshit. | ||
| But when your bar is so low, getting that high seems like a fucking miracle. | ||
| And it feels like it to us too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the reason is because he does have a decent leg to stand on when these people take his words out of context and attack him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that is... | ||
| The most destructive thing you can do if you're against him. | ||
| So I beg of you, stop. | ||
| Your point is... | ||
| We all hate Alex. | ||
| Dear Media Matters, emulate us. | ||
| No. | ||
| And because you have a much better platform... | ||
| Pay us. | ||
| You'll hire different people. | ||
| Namely us. | ||
| And then we will be thrown to the wayside, as is corporate America. | ||
| Want to do. | ||
| No, they could just pay us. | ||
| I mean, we could negotiate something. | ||
| If they just keep us alive, we'll keep doing this. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| We're bad negotiators. | ||
| They could probably pay us less than somebody else. | ||
| Yeah, whoever you've got working there will take less. | ||
| Knowledge Fights affiliate agreement is we'll do it for free. | ||
| Very similar to Alex Jones's. | ||
| No, I mean, that's my... | ||
| My sort of self-serving point that I want to make is, please stop. | ||
| Please stop. | ||
| You're harming this. | ||
| It's a bad way to go, yeah. | ||
| My other point... | ||
| Although, the other argument to be made there, though, is his audience is... | ||
| Dumb-dumbs? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| They're like little lollipops. | ||
| Dumb-dumbs. | ||
| So, I mean, he is a joke. | ||
| Like, that's true. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But the worrisome part of it... | ||
| Now, as compared to, you know, a year ago when we were all so young and life... | ||
| So innocent. | ||
| So beautiful. | ||
| Black man was in the White House. | ||
| Great. | ||
| We were bombing most countries, but not all of them. | ||
|
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Yeah, most of the same ones, to be fair. | |
| But now that Alex Jones is... | ||
| has... | ||
| Personal contact with the White House. | ||
| He's got pulled. | ||
| Multiple members of the White House. | ||
| Well, it's shrinking by the day. | ||
| It is shrinking by the day. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| But that is kind of the situation where now you should not treat him as a joke because if you treat him seriously, you're attacking a lot of the germs of the bullshit that winds up trickling down through the reality. | ||
| If you look at what Alex Jones says, A lot of the time, a watered-down version of that shows up coming through the Trump-Breitbart White House. | ||
| Take some of that anger and bigotry out of it. | ||
| It is often very similar. | ||
| The seed of what bullshit they say. | ||
| How many times has Sean Spicer come out and said, well, what used to be true then is true now? | ||
| Or used to be lies then. | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| It is. | ||
|
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It's a John Rain situation all over again. | |
| I have a tremendous amount of fear that, I mean, we're in for either six months of Trump or eight years. | ||
| And either way, you really need to start engaging with what crazy people are saying. | ||
| Because the crazy... | ||
| Is now the Fox. | ||
| That's really all we've got. | ||
| Well, I mean, like, look at this. | ||
| That whole Susan Rice story, that's nothing. | ||
| No, it's made up. | ||
| It was broke by Mike Cernovich. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Mike Cernovich broke that. | ||
| And we haven't talked about him much, but he is wacky. | ||
| He is a complete lunatic, monster asshole. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| We could do... | ||
| A whole show about him. | ||
| We won't. | ||
| Because he's in the same realm as... | ||
| Because there's a level of low we won't stoop to. | ||
| He's the same level as PJW. | ||
| He just... | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| You weirdo. | ||
| You dick. | ||
| But he broke that story. | ||
| Trump started talking about that. | ||
| Trump tweeted that he deserved a prize for that story. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| He said he deserved a Pulitzer Prize. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Made-up, nonsensical bullshit. | ||
| And now it's fun if that man is not the president. | ||
| It would be hilarious if that man was not the president. | ||
| Or if this was a movie. | ||
| Do you remember all those tweets of Trump saying, Obama, you shouldn't do this stuff. | ||
| Don't go to Syria. | ||
| That was fun when Trump wasn't the president. | ||
| And now he's doing all of those things, which makes it far less fun. | ||
| Far less fun. | ||
| And... | ||
| All of these lunatics, the Alex Joneses, Mike Cernoviches. | ||
| The Savages. | ||
| All of them, you need to fucking pay attention to them. | ||
| They are way too influential. | ||
| It is kind of weird. | ||
| Treating them like soundbite machines to sort of kick in your outrage machine that you think is somehow going to stop them is not. | ||
| You're only helping them. | ||
| We can... | ||
| Not necessarily stop them, but I think that we are like... | ||
| We're not part of the outrage machine. | ||
| Is that what you're trying to say? | ||
| We're not part of the back and forth of vapid one day is the most important day and then every day we move on to the next thing. | ||
| Mainly because we've been doing this podcast on the same thing for three months now. | ||
| I think that we're an antibiotic is more what we are. | ||
| We can cut through the bullshit. | ||
| We can give credit where credit's due, but at the same time, all of it is under the roof that this guy is a joke and a propagandist. | ||
| But it doesn't mean... | ||
| This is when we cut and then it goes, and now we're selling the antibiome, the best antibiotics on the market today. | ||
| We also sell biotics. | ||
|
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Actually, we just sell bacteria. | |
| You should go into either one of our apartments. | ||
| You'll find something good. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| Take your pick. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure how to give this a summation and give this a thesis statement here at the end. | ||
| If I understand from the perspective of you having tried to make this, I think the point that I've gotten is that the way that they handle things. | ||
| Only provides ammunition to be shot back at them. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So they're not... | ||
| It's like trying to shoot a gun at Magneto. | ||
| Or it's just judo. | ||
| Like, that's what it is. | ||
| Alex Jones is just using your own force against you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we are using no force. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're using the force. | ||
| We're the drunk monks. | ||
| We're using that drunken style. | ||
| We're the drunk Jedi. | ||
| Yeah, and so, like, listen, I'm not saying that we're super effective, but I really think that if you go back and listen to our episodes, we've really busted a lot of his fucking narratives pretty hard. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Which is not to suck our own dicks. | ||
| No, but it's... | ||
| I mean, I'm an archetypal cocksucker, but... | ||
| I'm, like, I'm at the end of this episode, and the feeling that I have is, like, I opened this up with saying that I'm mad. | ||
| The media matters, and I am. | ||
| I'm frustrated. | ||
| I am, too. | ||
| I'm super frustrated by people dealing with something in the completely wrong way. | ||
| Now, granted, I think that we're dealing with it in the right way. | ||
| We might be wrong. | ||
| We might be just as dumb. | ||
| I think I'm dealing with a lot of my problems by smoking weed. | ||
| And that seems like the right way to deal with things to me. | ||
| I drink wine. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| I mean, the world is ending, so it does seem to make a lot more sense right now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Andean games. | ||
| From what I understand of your point so far, I feel like you're saying that... | ||
| Alex Jones is shooting out these bullets. | ||
| They're shooting them back. | ||
| And all you're doing is fighting fire with fire. | ||
|
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Somewhat, yeah. | |
| And the way we're trying to do things is by going at it from a different direction and fight fire with water. | ||
| Somewhat, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Fight outrage with laughter. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I agree with that. | ||
| And then also, I believe that it's just shoddy. | ||
| It's just shitty work. | ||
| The idea of posting clips of Alex and being like... | ||
| Here is what he said. | ||
| And then not dealing with where it is in the stream of his show, what's going on around it, is just bad work. | ||
| Well, at the very least, in that headline, they should have said not only he goes on homophobic ramp, but... | ||
| He drunkenly goes on homophobic rap. | ||
| That would be interesting. | ||
| I would have been so much happier with them if they had really paid attention and noticed that that motherfucker was drunk. | ||
| And if you click on the story, it expands, and then there's the four ways to learn clip. | ||
| And the clip of him with a drink in his hand. | ||
|
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What we're saying, Media Matters, is there's four ways to cover Alex Jones. | |
| But anyway, you can check us out at knowledgefight.com. | ||
| You can look us up on iTunes. | ||
| We're Knowledge Fight. | ||
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| People have been leaving really, really nice reviews. | ||
| We like to read those. | ||
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| I don't think you can. | ||
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| At knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| All sorts of other things, but hey, we like to live the life of A couple of dudes who are into policy. | ||
| So would you call us a couple of, what are the words I'm thinking of? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think it's like a policy donk, something like that. | ||
| Donk is not the right word. | ||
| Short for donkey? | ||
| Policy donk? | ||
| Policy wonk. | ||
| Oh, that's it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
|
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |