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Mass Deportation Bill Debate00:15:14
April 23rd, 2026.
Ladies and gentlemen, hope you're having a wonderful day.
I am Paul Kersey.
I am joined once more by the esteemed Tom, the architect Hennessy, one of the better accounts, one of the more productive accounts on X on Twitter as the war goes on daily on Elon Musk's website, Tom.
And there's so much to discuss.
But how are you doing today?
I'm good.
Thanks for having me.
Yeah.
You know, we want to.
There's so much to talk about because there's a lot happening.
But we're going to focus on a couple things today because you've actually had some interactions with one of the gentlemen we're going to talk about on Twitter.
And that's what Twitter was created for to be able to talk to politicians, celebrities, statesmen, government officials, and interact with them and actually get them to have to basically converse with the hoi polloi, with the people they're supposed to lord over, the people who are paying their bills, or these sports figures who.
You go to see, and you're able to make fun of them for striking out in the ninth inning with the bases loaded.
I mean, that's kind of what Twitter was created for.
And one of the most fascinating things that I've seen recently is President Trump was elected for mass deportations.
And as this program has discussed since the start of this year, you, of course, had the Battle of Minneapolis, where regrettably the federal government backed out of law enforcement in terms of doing the mass raids that were creating a lot of.
I hate to use the word negative publicity, but the way that the corporate media is, they were able to pounce upon the story of Renee Good and Alex Pretty, the two left wing Antifa aligned patrollers who were basically harassing ICE as they tried to carry out their actions with Greg Bovino, who was the Border Patrol.
Commander, I think that was his title.
Yeah, commander.
He's overseeing all of this.
And one of the things that we have seen recently, and I'll tease and lead you into this, is that Povino has retired and he's an absolute patriot who's going on Twitter now and he's interacting with people.
And I think doubling down is the wrong word because he's remaining firm and steadfast on this idea that there are 100 million illegals in the US and they all need to go.
I don't know if you have that tweet that he did, if you could pull that up where he actually.
Breaks down his analysis, but I'll just lead you into the conversation because you've interacted with him quite a number of times recently and he's responded to you.
But go ahead, go ahead, jump in.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, Greg Bavino, well, first, you know, the Trump administration was pursuing this strategy in Minneapolis where they would just kind of agitate the left.
And it was like a pressure building campaign where they didn't really crush it, they just kind of agitated everybody.
They let Antifa coordinate.
We heard about those signal chats that they had, those telegram chats that Antifa was coordinating.
They had all sorts of, You know, people on blocks that were looking out for ICE enforcement.
And the federal government basically just let this continue to happen.
So the pressure was building and they were able to coordinate like a defense in a way against the federal government.
And Trump didn't crush it.
Greg Bavino was there and I think he had a falling out to some degree with the administration.
He was, I don't know if he was forced in retirement, but basically he retired.
However, he's been on X recently, as you said, and he's dropped some gems for us.
And he said, He did an interview with Greg Vasovic and he mentioned that there were 100 million illegals here, which was far above anything that the administration has publicly said.
And he's doubled down on it online a couple of times.
And some regular anonymous accounts that don't have a big following have just replied and said, Well, how did you come up with that figure?
And he broke it down.
I don't have the breakdown in front of me, but he just says they were saying there were 10 million illegals here in the country over 30 years ago.
And if you just account for a million per year, Up until now, you have 50 million easy.
That's before Biden came into office.
And then with Biden, he said this is another gem that he gave.
He said about 80% of the border was basically open and not being enforced under the Biden administration, which is incredible.
The other thing he said was that the another thing that he said on the last interview he said that the ICE tip line was not being used.
Which is incredible.
So, if I get your opinion, people were actually calling in with tips.
Right.
But no one was listening and recording and actually responding to the tips.
Correct.
Yeah.
The ice tip line, he said the words he used was, it's never worked.
And then he clarified by saying that it wasn't being utilized to the extent it should be, which basically means it's not being utilized at all, probably.
Who knows, you know, the manpower staffed for this ice tip line.
But, you know, that's the first.
Layer that the administration has to have the public inform them for issues.
And the fact that we find out that this ice tip line is not really being utilized, despite all the funding that the Trump administration sold us with, with the big beautiful bill, which is, I think it was like $3.5 trillion for the one big beautiful bill.
We were all told that we needed to pass this bill if we wanted mass deportations.
There were multiple, I've heard that multiple times.
And then here we are a year later, and we find out that the ice tip line isn't really being used that much.
It's not good.
But Greg Bovino, to his credit, since his retirement, he's been dropping truth bombs.
He's been interacting with small accounts.
He's been interacting with my accounts.
And when we questioned him on this and we said, you know, is this, I mentioned the ICE tip line, he replied and said, yep.
Like he just confirmed it.
So he's confirming all of these things.
He's doubling down.
He says 100 million illegals at minimum is a conservative estimate.
And he has access to all sorts of data that probably we don't know about.
So.
Well, he keeps pointing out that in the 1970s, the number was between 10 and 12 million.
And then that number was continually used.
I mean, Ann Coulter in America Adios, Adios, whatever.
This is an English show.
Sorry to any of our Spanish listeners.
America Adios.
She pointed out that it was 30 to 40 million.
And that book came out before the surge of the Biden rush.
And you see estimates of anywhere from 25 to 35 million.
Senator Schmidt, Who is, in my opinion, the best senator in the nation out of Missouri?
He's just going all in on this issue now.
And one of the things Bovino doesn't point out is these numbers with 100 million illegals.
That doesn't include the visa overstays, which that number was divulged last year at being about 55 million, which is just an extraordinary number.
But you have to factor in, ladies and gentlemen, every one of these individuals who's here illegally, if they have a child, If they have a child, that child is by birthright citizenship automatically a United States citizen, eligible to get WIC, to get SNAP, to get all sorts of benefits that their illegal parents will not have.
And then they can kind of hide within the system through this parental loophole within the system currently.
And of course, the birthright citizenship case is still before Congress.
I'm sorry, before SCOTUS and will be, I believe, Decided upon in June is the numbers I've seen.
But Bovino, to his credit, he just is steadfast and he continues to say this.
He was quoted, he said, We need surges of DHS agents into all major cities.
We need to make it so hard for them to live, to work, to procreate, to do anything in the United States that they have no choice but to self deport.
And you think back to all those videos, Tom, of Bovino in Minneapolis, in Los Angeles, in places.
I want to say that he was in Denver.
He was in New Orleans prior, where they were doing a very successful surge and they were trying to capture a number of people within New Orleans, within the Orleans Parish District.
And he was on the front line, leaning things like almost like a Roman general.
It was glorious to watch because it was inspiring.
When he'd be out there and he'd be like, Look, we've been unleashed by the American people.
Prior administrations have handcuffed us to not be able to do the job that we signed up to do.
We are able to do it now.
And the itch is still there.
And he said this too.
He also rejected the focus on targeting serious offenders, warning that it sends the wrong message They must have incentive to self deport.
Saying we're targeting the worst of the worst is signaling to the majority of illegals that they're safe from deportation.
There's a lot more work to be done.
They all need to go.
We are talking about potentially 100 million people still living here illegally.
Right.
And I mean, it's incredible because, you know, people are.
There was an article written, which we'll talk about here in a second, that was on a substack of Federale.
He used to be a writer for VDARE.
Now he's on a substack, and his piece was amplified by American Greatness, part of the Claremont Institute, a great piece.
And apparently, this caused.
Quite a controversy because Bovino amplified a blog post that praised him as Commandante Greg Bovino and described his policies as vindication for mass deportations.
Apparently, this anonymous figure has ties to extremist online content.
The Daily Beast reported and associated with a platform with quote unquote white nationalist views, end quote.
That website is, of course, VDARE, so it's easy to slander someone when you're using the SPLC as your source for.
Sure.
Adjudicating what can and can't be said when it comes to hate.
And we'll leave that on the table for a future conversation.
But again, he's not afraid to jump out of the frying pan and directly into the fire.
And to me, that's just absolutely inspiring.
Yeah, he's talking, he's saying the truth out loud.
And another thing he said was I had mentioned, I'd replied to him and I said, you should be honest with the American people and tell, say, admit that the administration doesn't have the will to enact actual mass deportations.
He didn't reply to me, but he liked the comments.
So he liked me saying that.
So obviously he's in agreement.
And then he also mentioned that, you know, he said we can do the mass deportations, but the administration needs to have a full spectrum, which means they need to go after the employers, they need to go after banking, they need to go after social security numbers.
All of these things haven't really even been tried.
And that's the, we've talked about this before, but the low hanging fruit, you need to take the easiest routes on a lot of these things.
And we already know, I think Elon was privy to the fact that there's so many fraudulent social Security numbers in the system, and all of these social security numbers could be easily targeted, most probably being illegals.
And all the document fraud almost every illegal alien has committed document fraud to some degree.
So you can easily prosecute all of this document fraud.
Yes, you'd have to have a lot more judges.
They have to follow due process to remove all of these people that followed no due process when they entered the country.
So we obviously have to work within the rules that we have right now.
But those avenues aren't being pursued in a serious manner.
No, but that article that Federale wrote, that American Greatness profiled, it was the strategy, New York Times proves Miller, Noam, Bondi, Bovino strategy only with Florida mass deportations.
And I'll just read a couple lines from it because I think it's important to know that what took time to put in place, Tom and dear listener, is the actual infrastructure to make all this possible.
And again, it would be really great if you just put pressure on banks.
And do what you just said in regards to fraudulent social security numbers and to really put the squeeze on employers with e verify.
But of course, you can always fake social security numbers.
But at the same time, as long as you have mechanisms that can check the ability for people to put money into a bank as opposed to just get cash and live in a cashless society.
I don't know.
I was at a hotel one time, I won't say what city, but it was just shocking that.
I would say 80% of the people who were there, and it wasn't that bad of a hotel, but 80% of the people who were there, it was a Friday, they were illegals and they were getting ready to leave for the weekend.
I don't know where they were going, but they had apparently stayed all week just paying cash.
And I was talking to the person at the front desk, and they're like, Yeah, we allow that to happen because we don't want to have any lawsuits.
It's like, but you have to have a credit card.
So, for incidentals and any damage, we're just told to work with them.
And they just all piled into a number of trucks and they drove off.
And it was one of the weirdest sites ever.
Because they're obviously there working and building these massive new infill homes there on the beach.
And then wherever they go on the weekend, whatever.
So I guess the people who then come in to enjoy the beach, they don't have to see them when they're working during the week.
But it was one of the more astonishing sites because it was this caravan of illegals.
And this was in 2024.
And I wish there had been a tip line because I would have called the ICE tip line right then and there.
Like, hey, guys, do you guys have a working relationship with ICE, the local police department?
I think I just saw six illegal aliens leave this kind of nice hotel.
And yeah, they definitely are just paying with cash and they're leaving trash everywhere.
They're leaving Modella bottles all across the.
Anyways.
And it's little things like that that people probably see in aggregate thousands of times a day across the country.
And if the tip line isn't being utilized, what's the point of wasting it?
You know?
So, but in this piece that Federale wrote, he said, in an unusually Inadvertent honest piece on the Trump purge of the Executive Office for Immigration Review, henceforth we'll call it EOIR, which oversees the immigration courts.
Asylum Grants and Amnesty00:14:38
The New York Times implied that the only way forward.
With mass deportations, with Stephen Miller inspired public arrests, mass public arrests, in the terminology of the immigration law enforcement professional, city patrol and area control called roving patrol.
More simply, arresting illegal aliens where they appear in public, where day laborers informally congregate, where they operate public businesses like push carts, bus stops, and at work sites.
While criminal aliens and absconders, those illegal aliens ordered deported but who never depart the U.S., must be found and arrested, they are targets that must be found.
Before they can be arrested, these are more difficult to find than the illegal aliens appearing in public at Home Depot or Lowe's looking for work.
They are certainly more difficult to find than the illegal alien operating a flower stand, food cart, or food truck.
And those illegal aliens at work sites, especially farm and construction sites, are the easiest because the government knows where they are, knows where and by whom most illegal aliens are employed, as most illegal aliens employed today are paid by payroll deduction, like Americans and other illegal workers.
That means, Tom, if an illegal alien is using an individual taxpayer identification number, ITIN or a stolen or fraudulent social security number, as all electronic payroll systems require, the government knows what is happening, where it is happening.
Most illegal aliens are paid this way.
Fewer are paid in cash, either directly or surreptitiously, as independent contractors.
You know, it's interesting thinking about the big payroll companies like ADP.
You would think that you could potentially have, you know, I know a lot of people don't like the name, but a Palantir go in and actually use software to track and find out what's going on and see if there are irregularities and anomalies when it Comes to companies that are paying certain people, and you can track and you would be able to track companies employing illegals that way.
Yeah, absolutely.
In Florida, it's all about the independent contractors because, like most of the states, the e verify that was sold to the public was supposed to stop this kind of thing.
And then when it's actually implemented, if you look at the details in Florida e verify laws, they exempt independent contractors.
They exempt companies that have less than, I think it's 30 or maybe 50 employees.
So, all of the illegals are easily operating with these exceptions.
And it's by design.
They purposely put in these loopholes.
So, they've had the same problem in Idaho.
They had a bunch of you verify illegal bills.
And unfortunately, the Republican Party is not willing to let go of their illegal slave labor wages that the illegal aliens provide.
Yeah, the piece goes on, and I encourage everyone to take a look at it.
It's at American Greatness.
The title is New York Times.
Proves Miller, Noam, Bondi, Bovino strategy the only way forward on mass deportations.
It does an incredible analysis of asylum grant rates, asylum grant rates that have plummeted the average monthly number of asylum grants.
It was approaching 60% under Obama.
It dropped to almost 20% during Trump 1.0, got back up to 60% for Biden.
It was 7% in February of 2026.
So that's pretty good when you're considering how many people would show up and say that they are seeking asylum.
And we are looking at just this extraordinary chart about immigration cases are ending in removal orders.
The number is well over, it's close to 60,000.
Whereas, goodness gracious, under Biden, you're looking at some numbers under 15,000.
And are those ever honored?
Do people actually leave or do they just never show up for when they have to report in?
It's one of those incredible things where the EOIR that I mentioned earlier.
99% of asylum crimes were fraudulent.
And the New York Times wrote this Other officials are said to have instructed judges to grant asylum only in the most extraordinary circumstances.
In a previously unreported whistleblower letter to Congress, one fired judge quoted an official remarking on the standard for asylum.
Maybe if you were Jewish and escaping Nazi Germany in 1943, you should get it.
The whistleblower is a military lawyer who was detailed to serve as a temporary immigration judge.
And subsequently dismissed.
So, you know, Tom, I mean, it's pretty rigid as to how you can just show up and be like, oh, I'm being persecuted.
Great.
Yeah.
And they let them in the country while this was happening.
I know for their first term, they had a, for at least a period of time, they had the remade in Mexico policy.
So while you could apply for asylum, you had to actually stay in Mexico or stay outside of the country while you waited for your application.
But it was absurd.
I mean, there's millions that are actually in the country right now.
Who are still awaiting to hear back about their asylum claims?
It's just absurd that they're even in the country or let in to begin with.
And all these people, as you mentioned, enjoy birthright citizenship.
So while they're waiting, as they have their children or whatever, they can inevitably cash in on the loophole of birthright citizenship.
One of the things that Bondi did obviously, Bondi has been replaced as the attorney general, but she went about dismantling the.
She went about dismantling the amnesty that immigration judges were running wild with, basically unsupervised.
And one of the individuals who was fired, Shu Ting Chain, an immigration judge fired last November, said the administration wanted judges to act as puppets for the admin with a singular goal of deporting as many people as possible as quickly as possible.
Well, before, of course, the policy was to let in as many people with amnesty and grant them amnesty as quickly.
Soon as possible, as quickly as possible.
Let them in, just flood them in.
And guess what?
We need to put them in these formerly red, purple states like Georgia, North Carolina, and Virginia, and keep pumping them into Colorado so we can see the electoral changes happen once they actually get the franchise and they're able to vote.
And then one more thing from this article, which I think is very important The Times analysis, New York Times, found that many of the judges fired under Mr. Trump shared a similar profile.
Almost all had been appointed under Democratic administrations.
More than half had previously worked as attorneys representing immigrants, and the vast majority had granted asylum at higher rates than their peers who kept their jobs.
Before Deep being dismissed, fire judges granted asylum to 46% of applicants during the current administration, well above the 50% grant rate for those who have remained.
The president's new hires have granted asylum even less often, in roughly 6% of the cases.
You know, Tom, I know a lot of people.
Want to black pill a lot about everything that's going on, but it takes time to clean the Aegean stables, as Hercules found out.
You know, the 12 tasks, it's pretty hard to do.
And when you have an embedded, ensconced system of judges who have, for years, granted asylum far higher than other judges who were appointed by Democrats in these positions precisely to do that,
to enable the great replacement as quickly and as, and as, um, And as perniciously as possible to the actual Americans, to us, it takes time to get rid of this and to get them removed and to find new people to replace.
I have a friend who told me that the DOJ is desperate and DHS is desperate for lawyers right now because it's just very hard to find lawyers who are ready to go in and go all in on these issues, which stinks.
I'm not a JD, but it would be way too much fun right now to be doing work for the actual American people.
As we found out, that's what Greg Bovino wanted to do in his entire career.
And you look at all the hit pieces that have come out on him, comparing the jacket that he wore to something from the Third Reich, that famous photo from the New York Times or the Washington Post, and just how steadfast and the resolve that he had in the face of actions that should have warranted the Insurrection Act in Minneapolis.
And yet he's still out there and he's telling the American people the problem is really, really bad.
It's far worse than anyone is going to let.
Let on, and as he courageously told you when he liked that post, there's a lack of transparency into the efficacy of mass deportations as once delineated by the Trump administration.
Yeah, I mean, he can have a big impact now that he's left, if not even bigger, because he can influence the public and put a lot of truths out there and ramp up the pressure to or change, you know, shift the Overton window where it's we understand that there are actually 100 million and.
We need to take a lot of action to rectify that.
I'll end with this piece as we close up shop on Bovino and the Miller wing of the Trump administration.
The analysis of federally rights of mass arrest, denials of asylum, time in custody, and disciplining immigration judges.
Those are the actions that lead to mass deportations, not targeted enforcement operations.
Greg Bovino and Christy Nome vindicated, Tom Homan repudiated.
The piece was published on April 9th.
2026 on Substack.
Again, Federale writes regularly on questions of immigration.
I highly recommend people check this article out, read it full, share it with your friends.
And also give Greg Bovino a follow on Twitter because he's a one man operation for dispensing truth.
And I think in a lot of ways, they are an abundance of white pills because you realize the.
The audacity of someone to actually take on this enormous role is there.
It's just give him the ammunition, the tools, and the wherewithal to engage in these mass deportations.
And if an elected official in Minneapolis or Los Angeles, Mayor Karen Bass or Mayor Frey gets in the way, again, the federal government has total jurisdiction on immigration.
Arrest these people for aiding and abetting illegal aliens.
Yeah.
Start using the ICE.
Tip line Start, you know, when there's illegals out protesting, waving their foreign flags from the countries they're from, maybe those are the people you should pick up.
Well, speaking of picking up, this comes from the Pew Research Center and will segue nicely into this story.
Nearly one in 10 babies, Tom, born in the U.S., are to undocumented mothers.
Since the first day of his second term as POTUS, Trump has been pushing back against a constitutional right.
He said, has been taken advantage of for far too long, what he calls birthright citizenship.
You might remember, Tom, a couple episodes ago that you were a co host of, we discussed birthright tourism, where there are a thousand companies out of China that will go to various areas that the United States has jurisdiction over, where they will ensure that the female gives birth so that they are an American citizen and entitled to all rights of an American, which means that when they Are of age 18, they can vote at some point.
And the numbers are actually staggering in terms of estimates.
The New York Post actually estimates, I think it's 1.3 million who have participated in this scam.
And just extraordinary numbers.
Trump said that, quote, it had to do with the babies of slaves and the protection of the babies of slaves.
It didn't have to do with the protection of multimillionaires and billionaires wanting to have children, wanting to have their children get American citizenship, Trump said on March 31st of this year.
Well, a new analysis from Pew Research following a 40% drop from 2006 to 2016, a rapid rise in the number of births to unauthorized mothers in the U.S. from 2019 to 2023, which means about 9% of all 3.6 million babies born were to authorized immigrant mothers or to those with temporary legal status.
Yeah, it's incredible numbers.
And that is just that subset.
We're not talking about the 100 million that Pavino was talking about.
Just on the numbers that we know about, not the 100 million, if you calculate the daily average, it's over 3,000 anchor babies per day with the lower numbers, not the bovino numbers.
If you talk about 100 million plus the foreign nationals that are here illegally, you will probably double that.
It would probably be over 5,000, 6,000 per day.
It's an enormous amount of.
The 10 percent, I think, is the low amount.
I think it could be closer to.
20% or even 25%.
Yeah, in an interview with the National News Desk this past Monday, Laura Ray, director of the Border Security and Immigration Center at the Heritage Foundation, said it shows how, quote, exploited our immigration laws are and have been for several decades, that many, many people are making the effort specifically to come here to time the birth of their child, to have a U.S. citizen, because it brings a host of benefits for the child, but also for the parent.
I actually, end quote, I actually recall reading a story.
I think it was the New York Times, maybe the Post, of Washington Post, but it talked about a woman and her husband who were deported.
Order deported back to Honduras, and she was pregnant, and they tried to sneak back in just so she could have the child.
On American soil, so that that child would be considered an American.
And this was supposed to be a sob story, saccharine, make us all feel so sad.
Oh my gosh, they just want to be Americans.
No, they want to have their child born in America.
So that via birthright citizenship, you know, bibbity bobbity boom, they've just brought another American into the world because of the magic soil, the magic dirt.
Welfare Benefits and Birthright Citizenship00:04:03
And they want the benefits.
It's always because you take away the welfare system and a lot of this.
Solves itself.
There's some people that come here just want to work for opportunity, but the vast majority are coming here for the benefits and the fact that you can so easily qualify for so many benefits that we see the blacks take advantage of, for instance.
But there's so many welfare programs, there's so many things that Section 8 housing, there's all sorts of welfare benefits that these people are trying to get access to, basically.
It's the Gibbs me that mentality.
Yep, yep.
No, it's, it really is.
And in this case, we learned that, you know, let's see here.
Let me get back to what the quote I was.
She said, only once they are 18 or 21, they can come back to the U.S.
They can vote in U.S. elections.
They can join the military.
They can, they can then also bring in family members as lawful permanent residents using chain migration.
And that's one of those, that's one of those truly insidious aspects of illegal immigration and birthright citizenship that I think compounds that number.
You know, it's like compound interest.
Oh, absolutely.
The longer you save, the more you invest, the more those dividends start paying up.
That's really what having children as illegal aliens in the United States represents.
It's just the longer you stay, the more benefits they start to add up.
And then, hey, let's bring grandma and grandpa and some cousins over.
They're going to get access to the country now because we have a lawful permanent resident and they get to do chain migration.
We've seen the same thing as you've documented with the Somali refugees who have come over.
And once they establish residence, they're able to and become a quote unquote a citizen.
They're able to then bring over some of their former warlords and some of the people who participated in these civil wars.
Well, just recently, I mean, how many Haitians were we told are here?
I think the number was 350,000.
It's just under 400,000 from what most.
Yeah, it's TPS, temporary protective status, it's about 348,000 people.
But the numbers are because they kept coming, if you recall, during the Biden admin.
About 30,000 to 50,000 Haitians were part of that massive wave coming across the Mexican border, which leads me to ask who paid for that?
Who was funding this caravan of third world, this rising tide of color that just swamped over the border and was allowed in?
A lot of NGOs.
I think that was documented.
There was a whole pipeline from the trains, and there was HIA.
AS, the NGO.
I know they were facilitating a lot of those migrant caravans throughout South America into Mexico and then from Mexico through ports of entry into the US, whether it be on trains or under barbed wire fences or whatever.
This article ends and we'll move on from some depressing news to some very interesting news here in a sec.
But the phenomenon of birthright citizenship, especially popular in China, is detailed in a book that I've actually just ordered by Peter Schweizer, The Invisible Coup How American Elites and Foreign Powers Use Emigration as a Weapon.
In an interview with the New York Post, Schweizer said In some places in Southern California, there are entire apartment blocks that are populated by Chinese birth tourists.
We will arrange for the medical side of it when your child is given birth.
We'll make sure you get that birth certificate.
There's actually a place, I have family in Laguna Niguel, Huntington Beach, Orange County, California.
And I remember being just overwhelmed by the number of Chinese in this one area of Irvine.
And someone I was with, they're like, Yeah, they're coming to have babies, they said.
Revolutionary Patriots and Slavery00:16:05
And it was kind of, I was incredulous when they said that.
I'm like, What are you talking about?
This was a couple decades ago.
I can only imagine how bad that problem is now because it was just a throwaway line.
We were just at this mall, and I was like, What's going on here?
And they're like, Yeah, they're having babies because you get access to become an American citizen.
It's just one of those things that if you just read about it, it's almost hard to believe.
But when you actually see it, it's like, Oh, wow, this is just one little anecdote that is probably seen in places all across the West Coast and in other areas that are U.S. protectorates and stuff.
So, yeah, I mean, it's crazy that we're giving that benefit to people that are even traveling here, but they're traveling here, you know, legally.
But the fact that we give that benefit to people who are here illegally, that's the real humiliation ritual that we're having to endure right now.
And that's the right word because what's the point of citizenship as we approach the 250th anniversary of the United States?
And there's an AP story.
I'll just read briefly from it.
Stories of Black and Indigenous patriots come into focus as the U.S. remembers the American Revolution.
You know, before we started, we were sitting there during our little production notes, and I said, Hey, have you seen that Ken Burns documentary on the American Revolution?
You're like, No, no, no, I haven't.
It's not something that was on my radar.
Well, I read about it at least.
The only Ken Burns thing I've ever watched was his Civil War documentary, where he basically interviews, what's his name, the Southern writer of the series about the war between the states, Shelby Foote, I think is his name.
Which is very much worth getting.
And they're just breathtaking interviews.
But apparently, he has retconned the whole Revolutionary War in this PBS documentary to just glorify the exploits of.00001% who were non-Anglos who were participating in what was a civil war.
I mean, the Revolutionary War was a civil war by the British subjects within the colonies to establish.
Their own government.
And that's insufficient because we are a multicultural, multiracial nation, and we have to, we can't have just a bunch of dead white males be responsible for the creation of our country.
So I'll just read a couple of lines from this.
Because again, this is the 250th anniversary, and that's coming up very quickly on July 4th, I almost say 19, 2026.
What am I still thinking?
It's the late 90s?
Anyways.
Charlie Price said he didn't learn much about the American Revolution in school.
He knew about George Washington, the Battle of Bunker Hill, and that the Patriots won.
We're not talking about the New England Patriots coming back against the Atlanta Falcons in the 2017 Super Bowl.
It wasn't until he joined the Lexington Minutemen, a group of Revolutionary War reenactors, that he realized there's so much more to the story.
The Minutemen are marking the anniversary of the Battle of Lexington in Massachusetts this upcoming Saturday, as they do every year.
Thousands of people, some in colonial costumes, Will gather on Lexington Green to witness historic clashes, many booing the British troops and cheering on the Patriots.
The battle, which marked the start of the American Revolution 251 years ago, ended with eight Americans killed and 10 wounded.
Among the soldiers represented there was Prince Estabrook, an enslaved man who joined his white neighbors on Lexington Green on April 19, 1775, as British troops approached.
He was wounded that day, but went on to serve in multiple deployments throughout the war.
Well, Tom, we got to build a statue to Prince Esterbrook.
I wasn't surprised that we didn't know about it, said Price, a 95 year old Black Korean War veteran who played the role of Esterbrook for 50 years.
I was surprised that there was one Black soldier out here.
As America prepares to celebrate its 250th anniversary, Esterbrook and other patriots of color are being celebrated through programs nationwide that aim to tell a more complete story of the birth of a nation.
I was not aware that sub Saharan Africans played such a large role in the Revolutionary War.
Well, one soldier, one soldier, one soldier that this black Korean War veteran played for 50 years.
We now have to rewrite the entire history.
Museum exhibits, documentary films, and lectures have traditionally focused on those white pale leaders, the American Revolution, such as Washington, Ben Franklin, Paul Revere, Thomas Paine, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson.
Christopher Brown, a British Empire historian at Columbia University, said the revolution has long been portrayed as a simple story and moral story that celebrates American origins and looks to the American past in a kind of idealized version of what the present is.
But in recent decades, he argues, a more accurate view of the past has emerged that showcases the diverse coalish collection of women and men who played critical roles in the fight for freedom.
There were black men in the ranks, he said, who were fighting in Concord and Lexington and fought on Bunker Hill.
They knew all of the work that women were doing to support the revolutionary effort.
The fact that we didn't know that is more of a sign of our lack of curiosity and the need for greater research.
Give me a break.
All right.
Well, let's see what else we get in this article.
The National Park Service estimates that by the end of the revolution, more than 5,500 patriots of color, including black and indigenous people, served on the colonial side while many runaway slaves fought for the British.
You know, it's interesting.
One of the things that I didn't realize was how many of the Amerindian tribes had actually sided with the British.
And Washington was actually at cutthroat battles with these tribes, where it was basically, we're raising the black flag.
We're going to kill everyone within your tribe men, women, and children because of your continuous raids on American settlements.
And there's a number of really good books.
When you read the next story, I'll pop them up because I think it's truly important for people to understand that the foolish language of the Declaration of Independence with the poetry of all men are created equal, the pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness.
You know, that's just poetry.
That's just flowery poetry.
And at the end of the Declaration of Independence, Tom, one of the long trains of abuses and usurpations protested by the American colonialists was King George's refusal to aid and allow any aid against the merciless Indian savages that were attacking white settlements.
And to me, it's just such a paradox that these two.
Seemingly incoherent thoughts are in the same document, and yet one of them is entirely excised from the national conversation the merciless Indian savages.
And that's something that American colonialists, since Jamestown, when in early April of 1622, one third of the Jamestown colonialists were murdered by Palatine Indians in a raid where they thought there was going to be peace and there was going to be food and this nice interaction.
It actually turned out to be a wholesale slaughter of the white settlers.
And so, when I hear this kind of stuff, it's like, I don't have time for this because this is an obvious lie.
Right.
Yeah.
It was just something I thought of.
You said 3,500 was the number of 5,500.
5,500.
And I wonder how they came to that number because the word you used was served.
I wonder what qualifies as served for this analysis.
Does that mean they were just in existence?
Were they carrying a bucket of water and that was their definition of serving?
But yeah, it's curious.
Yeah, as we're doing that, I'm trying to pull up this.
Gosh, I'm trying to find the story.
I'll find it here.
This amazing book as the Revolutionary War is going on, the campaigns that Washington led against the Amerindians.
The stories of black patriots cannot be told without mentioning slavery, which was legal at the time in all 13 colonies.
Some blacks who fought were enslaved, and others fought in the hopes of gaining freedom.
Indigenous soldiers made similar calculations, even as tribes fought for their survival.
But despite the documented military diversity of the time, Yeah, 0.0001% is diverse.
Efforts to promote such stories are under pressure.
The Trump admin has ordered the removal or censorship of some exhibits highlighting the history of slavery and enslaved people, the civil rights movement, and the mistreatment of indigenous people.
I guess you have to just look at the story and realize that from the very onset, since we had a small population of sub Saharan Africans that were brought here to be slaves, and we had the Amerindians, various tribes who had long been fighting and slaughtering one another.
I guess the civil rights movement was already always here.
It was baked into the cake, right?
Right.
Yeah.
It's incredible how they don't want to talk about or mention those kind of things that you talked about earlier, how the Indians were killing lots of white people.
And the whole image of the Indians, we have to have this rose colored view of all Indians in the past ever.
You can't mention anything that they did to us at any time.
At any time.
That's a wrong thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's, again, there's so one of the things that I've been reading about recently is George Rogers Clark, who was the brother of the Clark and the Lewis and Clark expedition that would be launched after the Louisiana Purchase.
And there's a great book that it's called Tell the Extinction of the Rebellion George Rogers Clark, Frontier Warfare and the Illinois Campaign.
Of 1778 to 1779.
And it's just extraordinary to learn about all these white men who were having to wage existential battles to basically have these colonies and to have the early seeding of the concept of manifest destiny at the same time that the nascent American nation is just taking off.
And I got interested in Clark, Tom, because I was reading about Charlottesville.
And there were four statues that were removed in 2021 besides the Robert E. Lee statue that was then melted down.
We've all seen that image, the video of the Lee statue, the face being melted down.
We all know what happened to the Stonewall Jackson statue.
It's at the Mocha exhibit.
It was transmogified into a Frankenstein monster where this black artist was given free reign to just dismantle and create this horror out of it by fusing the horse.
To General Jackson.
But there were two other statues that were removed.
One was of Lois and Clark, and that was removed.
That was in downtown Charlottesville because it glorified two white men at the same time that it also had an Indian, I forgot her name, Sasquatch.
No, Sasquatch is a, isn't that a Bigfoot type thing?
Right.
I don't, I feel terrible for not remembering the name of this Indian who was actually, as Sam Dixon told me, Sacagawea.
People in the background here trying to make sure I get it right.
Sacagawea.
She was kneeling behind these two white men in the statue.
I implore all of our listeners to Google the image of the Lewis and Clark statue.
It's a gorgeous statue.
That was taken down, Tom.
But there was also a statue that was put up commemorating George Rogers Clark, where he was facing one Indian.
He's on his horse.
He's facing one Indian, and then behind him is another Indian to signify the various battles that he had to wage throughout his entire life, constantly at war with various Amerindian tribes and never having a chance to retreat because if he retreated, he'd be fighting more.
And that statue was removed as well.
Both of those statues still exist.
They're in some part of Virginia where a number of organizations are trying to acquire those to display them proudly.
And hopefully that will happen before they are allowed to be.
Dismantled and disfigured and crushed and put into some gay race communist museum like the Mocha in Los Angeles, where the Jackson statue and where the Matthew Maury statue and the Jefferson Davis statue from Richmond, Virginia sit rather just in a very undignified fashion because the left is one right now.
And it is important to think about the context of the 250th anniversary because had Kamala Harris won, Tom.
We would only be celebrating this aspect.
We'd be forced to accept that the stories of Black patriots cannot be told without mentioning slavery, which was legal at the time, like I said.
And to finish out this story, Roger Davidson, associate professor of history at Bowie State University, I believe that's an HBCU, said, Failure to recognize that important part of our history can impact communities of color today.
I didn't know that.
Quote If you're not seen as having contributed to society, to the military, to any of it, then people can sort of They can sort of overlook you.
It plays into, and I hate to put it this way, but it plays into people's biases.
Why should we pay attention to you in the present day, politically, socially, economically, if you have not contributed?
End quote.
Well, Tom, I'd actually argue why are we forced to accept what are utter minor contributions as somehow major, significant aspects of a revolution that, my gosh, without these minor contributions.
It's a total subversion of the actual, it's a total subversion of history and the incidents that took place on purpose.
Yeah.
Well, you can read this story, ladies and gentlemen, just in your Google machine, type in stories of black.
And indigenous patriots come to focus as the U.S. remembers the American Revolution.
And if you're so willing and up in the Northeast area, apparently you can even partake in a Patriots of Color exhibit where you can learn about the lives of 26 Black and indigenous men and women who played a role in the American Revolution.
And let's see if you know any of these names, real quick.
I'll say a few.
Prince Amy's, a Black and Narganet.
Gosh, how do you pronounce this word?
Narganeset, man from Andover, who was forced to join the Continental Army in place of his enslaver, and Paul Kouf, a black and Wampanoag businessman who petitioned the Massachusetts government to reject taxation without representation.
These, you know, I've heard there's actually a painting, that famous painting from Philadelphia of all the white guys, of all the white guys.
And I heard that they were actually airbrushed out, Tom.
I don't know if that's true or not.
Prince Amy's and Paul Kouf.
They were actually there.
They're true authors of the Declaration of Independence.
Yeah.
Anyways, moving along, let's just check our time real quick.
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Mr. Taylor is back from his trip to Europe.
I know he's excited to talk about a number of things, including one story that we're going to leave on the cutting room floor, and that's this unprecedented indictment of the SPLC, which has long targeted the New Century Foundation, American Renaissance.
For anybody who's ever dared to Interact with Jared over the years, which is the ultimate Voldemort to go back with our Harry Potter motif.
You can't do that because they were able to fundraise significantly off of it.
But that's going to be a story that I know Jared is very excited to talk about, but one that I think you were excited to talk about.
And we can just sort of laugh at this because in 1926, 100 years ago, long before you and I were born, Detroit was known as the Paris of the West.
Henry Ford.
Had basically created the concept of the middle class with the Model T and the industrialization aspects and turned Detroit into this just civic beauty of a city.
And here we are now, Tom, in 2026.
Detroit is 78% black, 9% white.
Wow.
9% white.
And you tipped me off with this story that thieves have destroyed nearly 75 Detroit fire hydrants to steal metal parts.
Putting lives at risk.
What about this story just from the outset?
Cause you to say, this is something we're doing.
Yeah, I mean, it's the South Africanization of an American city.
We see Detroit going through this process now.
75 hydrants were stolen, but incredibly, it's all happened just within 48 hours.
So, in 48 hours, they were managed to, there's apparently a piece of copper on the inside for the valve component.
So, everybody knows hydrants, right?
And they're heavy things.
It would take, you know, it's kind of tedious to try to steal one.
It's not, you know, You're not going to be able to turn the hydrant in because people are going to recognize it.
But apparently, there's a piece of brass inside.
It's fairly small.
It's not worth a lot of money.
Apparently, it's worth like 500 bucks.
And they take out this little piece of brass and then they are able to, you know, turn in the brass for a couple bucks or, you know, for 500 bucks.
So they've gone around and started, apparently, they've destroyed 75 hydrants within 48 hours around the city.
So you could see the infrastructure of a once great American city crumbling.
And I mean, how else is that?
The example of this by the fire infrastructure of the city to put out fires that has now been compromised.
Yeah, this is, you made a very great point about the South Africanization of the nation because you see stories all the time about rolling power outages because of copper being stolen and then sold as scrap.
You see the infrastructure that's been created in these nations and the post colonial nations of.
Africa, where entire rail lines are ripped apart and sold for scrap.
So, you basically have these supply chain lines that are severed that once enabled civilization to proliferate, and now it's just sold for scrap.
And when I look at the story out of Detroit and I'm reading it, I think that's the most intriguing aspect of this is that the news got out in a matter of a couple of days that this one piece of this metal nozzle.
And the stem on top of the hydrant is worth about $600.
So 75 of these have been stolen.
That's $45,000.
Worth of damage at the minimum of just the initial procurement of this device that the taxpayers pay for.
That doesn't even cost what it costs to replace.
And when you read into the story, you're learning that the Detroit Water and Sewage Department, they're racing to repair the broken hydrants across the West Side and the Southfield Road after thieves tore through dozens.
And like you said, two days.
No matter how fast we get to a fire, if we don't have an Operable fire hydrant.
It takes seconds, sometimes even minutes away from maybe us saving lives.
So you think about whenever there's a fire, if the fire hydrant that is accessible to put out this fire isn't working, isn't operable.
I mean, you're talking about damage to a private or a commercial residency or a commercial building being total and just the something as wanton as stealing, as wanton.
I think I made that joke before.
Someone corrected me.
Something as wanton as.
As doing this, it's just callous when it comes to being part of the social capital and fabric of a country.
Yeah, it goes back to what is a civilization?
And you can't have a civilization when people are stealing the firefighting apparatus or picking up the steel rail lines for the trains to run on.
And that's literally what's happening.
Not the trains, that's next, but it's coming when you see the fire hydrants being stolen.
And I remember Jared saying this a long time ago or in one of these video interviews that he did, but like when blacks are left to their own devices, generally civilization ceases to exist.
And this is an example of that.
This is that obviously they can exist for some period of time off of the civilization that whites built, but it's eroding rapidly.
Well, in 48 hours.
I mean, just right.
I mean, the news gets out that this device is something you can easily use to pocket and turn into quick change, regardless of what it does to.
Private and commercial property, and into the lives of those who could be saved if there is a fire.
And as Detroit Police Commander Dietrich Lever said, this is a public safety issue.
If my partners in blue are unable to respond to a fire properly, it can end lives or it can be the difference in saving lives.
Meanwhile, the crews are having to install stronger, harder to remove parts to prevent future thefts.
We're putting in some specialized stems where we find that they've been taken.
They're not easily removable with ordinary tools.
You have to have special tools to remove them a second time.
Thieves are very adaptable, and you can only imagine they'll be able to access new tools to take advantage of removing these and selling the devices.
Right.
They'll work extremely hard at taking these things, but they won't work hard at a normal job or contributing to society.
I went to a Whataburger the other day and I was trying to, I wanted to use the restroom to wash my hands.
And I took a picture of this, it's on my page.
But I go to the bathroom to open the door, and I can't open the door because there's a passcode lock on all of the doors to enter.
Because of riffraff that come in there and tear stuff up.
So I have to, you know, actually go back to the counter and ask for the code so I can go wash my hands.
That's another benefit of this multicultural diversity they've told me so much about.
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