Paul Kersey and Sam Dixon dissect white dispossession in North America, contrasting modern victimhood narratives with Thomas Goodrich's Scalp Dance, which details Indian warfare from 1865 to 1879. They highlight atrocities like the 1862 Sioux uprising and King Philip's War while critiquing neo-Confederate myths regarding black Confederate soldiers. The hosts promote the New Century Foundation, reference Hannah Dustin's monument, and argue that ignoring white enslavement by Barbary pirates undermines claims for reparations. Ultimately, they advocate for an ethnostate to ensure white survival against perceived revisionist threats. [Automatically generated summary]
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The Dispossessed Majority00:03:22
Well, once again, good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.
This is the White Man's Library with Paul Kersey and, of course, Sam Dixon.
Mr. Dixon, how are you this afternoon?
I'm fine.
How are you, Paul?
Well, I'm fantastic.
And I'm really encouraged by the feedback that we've gotten from the four prior podcasts we've done on Conquest of a Continent and Africa Adio.
And I believe we also talked about last week the dispossessed majority.
And I've noticed something, kind of a phenomenon.
Whenever we do a book, it becomes increasingly hard to find these books as some of our listeners go out and they purchase them on eBay and Amazon if they're still available on Amazon.
Kudos to you, listeners, who are going out there and adding those to your library.
You won't be sorry.
But today, I was pleased with the response too.
I like to feel like I'm doing something useful.
I feel like I don't do very much.
And I'm glad it's of some use.
Well, a lot of people were astonished.
Again, they just pick up on little quips that we have.
And I got a number of people commenting on the chapter from Wilmot Robertson's book, Mr. Dixon, where he just laid out the 1970 demographics of the country.
And again, it's a 203 million populated United States of America that was 88% white.
And people are like, well, wait a second.
It wasn't really white.
California wasn't really as white as you think it is because Mexicans were classified.
I think you'd agree with this.
I have family in California.
They've always told me this was a recent phenomenon of these mestizos, of these very, very dark skinned Mexicans moving in.
It was primarily white Spanish who had been there for generations.
I think that's true.
And also, there weren't many of those.
But there was one of those who had a house next door to my house one time.
And they had Spanish names and they considered themselves to be Hispanic, but they were blonde.
They're both a guy and his wife were blonde and blue eyed.
So they're whiter than I was.
Yeah, that was one of the.
They were from California.
They were from San Francisco.
And I asked them that, and they said that their family had been there when the Americans came in in 1848.
That's a.
Yeah, that's.
It is.
It's interesting to read about what all those states that we think about now actually look like because they were so sparsely populated.
And that kind of is a perfect segue into a book that we're going to talk about today.
It's a departure from the more explicitly race themed books that we've talked about.
It's by Thomas Goodrich, who was a prolific author.
Regrettably, he died a few years ago.
I was looking forward to trying to meet him and tell him how much his work meant to me and how it had opened up and answered so many questions that I had had throughout my undergraduate and graduate education.
But, Sam, this is Scalp Dance Indian Warfare on the High Plains, 1865 to 1879.
Now, sir, you grew up in an era where every little kid wanted to play cowboys and Indians.
You can't do that now because we're told the Indians were axiomatically the good guys.
Racial Power Shifts00:14:48
But talk to me about your first impressions of this book, how you came upon it, and just any recollections about Dr. Goodrich.
Either in one of the Liberty Lobby type publications, one of the ones that Willis Carter started, or maybe I heard about it somewhere else, but I heard about it in the movement press, which back then was sort of what the Russians called in the Soviet times a summers dot, a self published underground press.
And I ordered it, and yes, it deals with the terrible atrocities and cruelty of the Indians.
That is a racial issue.
It's used to destabilize whites and to fill them with guilt and confuse them about their history.
Well, it's just such an incredible story because, you know, obviously it takes, it primarily is focused on 1865 to 1879.
It would be regrettable of us if we didn't mention that during the Civil War, you had a number of territories.
They weren't states yet.
I'm thinking about Minnesota, where the United States Army was obviously preoccupied with the invasion of the southern states.
Minnesota, the Minnesota territory, was basically left unguarded.
And there was an incident in 1862 where there was a Sioux uprising where hundreds of white people were murdered.
So, at a time where President Lincoln is having the U.S. Army.
Come down and invade the seceding southern states so they can kill white people indiscriminately.
You have this territory, this colony of whites, primarily Norwegian whites, who were slaughtered.
And of course, the whites would fight back.
And then this led to the largest public hanging by the United States in our country's history thus far.
That was the Mankato incident, where 39 or 37 Sioux were hanged.
What about that story?
Well, you hear about it, unfortunately, in a misuse of it.
And that is, you hear about it in Southern heritage groups, the ones that are rainbow Confederate movements, where they seek to validate the Confederacy by simply completely false and ahistorical claims that there were hundreds of thousands of black Confederate soldiers, which is absolutely untrue and it's clearly untrue.
But they reach around, these people are so psychologically whipped, they've been so abused, or they're so.
So mercenary and insincere that they're preying upon the psychological needs of others.
But they can only justify the Confederacy if they talk about what minority groups did with them blacks, Jews, American Indians, even Chinese.
When the Confederate submarine, the Huntley, was found in Charleston Harbor some years back and brought up to the surface and restored, One of these groups found out that one of the sailors who had died on the submarine had the last name of Lee, like Robert E. Lee, and that he was born in Hong Kong.
And they then were thrilled and excited.
They explained that a Chinese, an Asian, had died on the Huntley because his name was Lee and he came from Hong Kong, which at that time was a British colonial possession.
And so Lee was.
Was as white as Robert E. Lee, but they were just thrilled that they thought they had found someone from China that had died for the Confederacy.
They'd done the same thing in Texas where they'd try to find Hispanics, anybody but a white man.
40% of all the white males in the South served in the Confederate Armed Forces, but that doesn't matter to them.
They can only justify the Confederacy by showing that non whites supported it.
Which I think is disgraceful.
There's a Cherokee general named Wattie, and they love to talk about him.
He was made a general by the Confederacy who used Cherokee troops in Oklahoma to attack Northern troops, which is something we saw in World War I, where the French and British brought non whites into the fight in the Western Front and in France to fight against the Germans.
And really, I think there should be an instinctive aversion among.
White Europeans everywhere against the use of non Europeans against fellow white people.
Gail, in your example of the mass hanging, I think there were 37 of them in Minnesota.
These people, these neo Confederates, do talk about that.
And they characterize themselves as multiculturalists and multiracialists.
And unlike that awful Lincoln who executed these wonderful Indians, they forget that one of the remarks was often made of John C. Calhoun, who was an ancestral first cousin of mine, who was that he was called Indian fighter.
And he and his father hated Indians for the reason that we are descended from.
Calhoun's grandparents and my ancestors, who were killed in the Abbeville massacre by hate crazed, xenophobic, anti immigrant Cherokees who engaged in this racist massacre of immigrants who were looking for a home.
It's all when you start the victimization clock.
Content, yeah, context is king, as another podcast legend used to say.
It's interesting you bring that up.
I had a couple ways I wanted to go with here, but the other day, We actually went to Jamestown in Virginia because it was the 400th and 4th anniversary of the Powhatan Confederacy launching a surprise attack on the white settlers in Jamestown, Mr. Dixon.
And that's a fascinating story when you research what actually happened because basically the territorial expansion was going on with the Jamestown settlers.
There were only just about 600 of the settlers.
And during that massacre, 347 whites, nearly one third of the colony's population.
So actually, it was about nine, just under a thousand.
Forgive me for that.
347 whites were killed as these Powhatan Indians visited each settler home as if they were trying to sell them food.
And then abruptly, this attack happened.
And I mean, this understanding that the various Amerindian tribes that were encountered by the people at Plymouth Rock.
By the Jamestown settlers, by all of the Anglo settlers as they started to arrive and set up various colonies from Georgia to New York.
They all encountered various, you know, quote unquote, indigenous tribes, whatever that word means in the sense, because these tribes were nomadic and they went around conquering one another and fighting one another and absorbing those women and children they took captive, or they just killed the kids and absorbed the women, and then they'd have.
10 months later, after they were raped, as we're going to learn about in Scalp Dance, of the horrible fate that would befall those who were captured.
I mean, this is something that whites on this continent have faced since the inception of this interaction that we've had now for 450 plus years.
Yes, and we can't condemn the Indians for it.
We're not condemning them the way they condemn us.
I heard someone interviewed on National Public Radio a week or two ago a black fellow who said that he was descended from his great great grandfather was sold as a slave and was sold, and they have a copy of the bill of sale and so on.
He summarized his interview with the reporter from All Things from.
National Public Radio, by this attack on whites that he said, We're all together.
He said, Oriental Asians were excluded by the white people in the Chinese Exclusion Act, and American Indians were subject to white genocide.
The whites stole the.
He went on this checklist where every single group, racial group, except white people, are entitled to sit in moral judgment upon whites.
So whites are the unique demon race.
And this is something that they push all the time.
And like I've said, it all depends on when you start.
The victimization clock.
In South Carolina, where my relatives and ancestors live, the Cherokees who were in possession of the land and who massacred my ancestors were not there from the dawn of time.
They had taken it from other Indians who had taken it from other Indians who had taken it from other Indians over and over again.
In the case of the Cherokees, they took it from the mound builders and they simply exterminated the mound builders.
They didn't have this.
Moralistic quirk that our race has, which is unique among the races.
The Cherokees never set up reservations for mound builders, but we did.
And as a result, the Indians survived, and now their descendants can join in on the let's hate whitey propaganda.
The Indians weren't like that.
You read about the pilgrims in Massachusetts, and they were helped by one Indian named Squanto, who had had some dealings with whites before.
I forgot what it was, but he had had a history of dealing with whites.
I'm sure the stories are exaggerated.
He says that Squanto taught the English how to farm, which I find that hard to believe.
But he was the only Indian that helped them.
The other Indians tried to wipe them out in King Philip's War.
They managed to wipe out a third of the population of Massachusetts.
That's right.
We have tens of millions of Squantos.
We have all these Squantos that are.
That are down in front of the ICE headquarters and demonstrating against ICE all over America and trying to block the ICE officers from enforcing the law.
We're just ridden with these weird whites who are members of the Suicide Now Club, these ethno mascots who hate themselves and want to get some sort of moralistic buzz off of hating other white people and promoting anti white policies.
So the Indians are superior to us.
Our leader, Jared Taylor, talks about whites being genetically brighter than blacks, and that's true.
But raw intelligence, IQ is not everything.
And in many ways, whites are inferior to non whites.
You know, it's interesting, though.
Growing up, I have two quick observations.
One, I want to go back to what you talked about Hong Kong, because it brought back a memory that I don't think I've ever actually shared with anyone.
Back in 1997, I remember I was watching TV.
I was only 12 at the time.
And that was the year in July that the British held, they did this very ornate ceremony to hand over.
Hong Kong, their territorial possession, to the communists of China.
And I'm a white Anglo Saxon Protestant, and I remember being just utterly repulsed by what I was watching.
And it reminded me of a story you told about how when the Russians were defeated by the Japanese and a number of naval battles in the early part of the 20th century, a lot of the European powers were just in horror at the prospect of.
This Asiatic race defeating the Russians and what that might mean to the concept of supremacy.
And I'm just curious if you have any memories of that 1997 change of the guard from the English, from the Union Jack to the red flag of China.
Yeah, I'm sorry, my mind was drifting.
You're talking about Canada?
No.
Do you remember in 1997?
You brought up Hong Kong and Lee and the fact that these goofy Sun Tzu Confederate veterans, Confederate Revisionists want to say that there was a Chinaman on the boat and that was found in Charleston.
And I just, for some reason, remembered watching the changeover of power when the Brits gave Hong Kong to China.
And I remember just being like, this is awful.
Why are we celebrating this?
Why is this a great thing?
As a wasp, seeing this changeover of power from one racial group to another, even though the Brits, unfortunately, at that time, I think Tony Blair was the prime minister, they obviously were about as deracinated as a people can be, sadly.
But I'm just curious, what were your thoughts on watching that as really the flag came down?
I don't remember seeing that one.
I remember seeing it in that movie, Africa Dio, that we discussed several weeks ago.
I remember seeing the scenes of the changeover there.
The flag came down.
But my reactions are probably different from yours.
I think that all this white imperialism going around the world to take over Africa and India, that kind of stuff, I think that was harmful for us.
Look at Switzerland.
The Swiss didn't do that.
They have a wonderful country.
They have a high standard of living.
The people are highly intelligent.
They have normal sexual relations.
The guys are guy guys.
They're really masculine guys who, once a month, are out with the reserves playing soldier.
And the women are attractive and are feminine and well groomed.
They've done better than England.
Britain has just run down.
And now all of these non whites have poured in.
Into the country.
Swiss Masculinity Standards00:11:18
I just don't think, I think the only thing that benefited these empires was a tiny percentage of extremely rich people.
The ordinary people did not benefit.
This has turned out very badly for us.
Several PR were used to point out that long ago, several generations back, it became the custom in Britain to justify the empire based upon the benefits that it brought the people that they ruled over.
He said psychologically this was the end that when you can't justify things based upon the interests of your own people, but can only justify them when your people are in the status of servants.
Serving other people's, the game is over.
The gain is lost.
And that's Dr. Oliver that you said came up with that observation.
Right.
Yeah, that's also a book.
I don't know if we'll ever get to the education of a conservative, America's Decline, but it's definitely worth pursuing.
Now, it's interesting, Sam, because I'm sure grown up, you probably did you ever go to Rock Eagle in Georgia?
Or was that something that came up?
Yeah, I went there several times.
I went there a number of times when I was in college because they would have weeks there for the honor students, and I'd go there.
And I went there when I was before that.
My aunt and Anthony lived in Edenton, which in Putnam County, where the rock eagle is.
And I went up in the tower when I was probably, I don't know, 15 years old and saw the rock eagle.
You have to be up in a tower to see it.
It's interesting that you can't perceive the eagle is there on the ground.
And the Indians must have made it.
With some understanding that it was going to be some sort of a cult signal to outer space.
To the gods.
Did it feel alien to you when you were there?
Obviously, it was set up now for a 4 H camp, if memory serves correctly.
And just for our listeners who don't know what Rock Eagle is, it's just a rock formation that, gosh, I don't remember which Indian tribe created it.
Several thousand years ago, it was one of the tribes that were massacred by succeeding waves of Indians as the turf.
Changed hands.
Exactly.
As has happened over the entire human globe, there's not an inch of land, any of livable land, maybe the Arctic or the South Pole, but any kind of land that people can live on has changed hands many, many times.
And as I said about the victimization clock, it always starts with the evil white people arriving, like in South Carolina, and taking the land to the noble Indians, and then it ends with the evil white people.
Who don't want to let the Emirates come in and take their land?
We never get an inning at that, which shows how anti white these people are that are doing this, how much they hate us, and how much they bend the rules always to get at us.
It is fascinating to think that this pre Columbian rock formation that was created again, I'm not even sure they even know which tribe created it, but it's maintained and it is sustained by.
By whites who've gone there and they've curated the land and built an entire mythos around it in a way.
I just remember it being such an alien feel.
I guess I went there in fourth grade.
So this was in the mid 90s.
I haven't been back since, but we did get to go up and we did get to see what it looked like.
And it is fascinating because that observation you made about just the abject cruelty that existed between these various tribes.
There's a historian named John Keegan who wrote that.
There's a cruelty in the warfare of some pre Columbian peoples of North and Central America that has no parallel elsewhere in the world.
And as Thomas Goodrich's book shows, that barbarism, that bellicose nature, continued well up until almost the end of the 19th century, were it not for some of these victories that Union and actually Confederate officers would go ahead and combine to create so that manifest destiny could actually happen.
And that, you know, the Dakota Territory, Minnesota, All across the plains, they could actually be settled by the oncoming of whites.
Yeah, whites are really a strange race.
I often joke that if there's anything to reincarnation, I'm going to come back as a black or Hispanic.
I want to belong to a healthy race.
I don't want to belong to a race of lemmings bent on self destruction.
Was that mentality existing in 1865 to 1879 when this book is primarily being written?
I mean, what was motivating?
Whites to actually fight back.
Was this germ, was this virus already implanted and growing at the time?
Oh, definitely.
Most definitely.
The abolitionists, you read what the, you know, who are just nuts.
Thomas Jefferson had the right idea that we needed to end slavery, compensate the planters who had bought the slaves, and resettle the slaves in their own country in Africa.
That was clearly what needed to be done.
But the, the, But the abolitionists were not like that.
They were not emancipationists.
They were extremists.
They were like the communists or the Jacobins in the French Revolution.
And they bewailed the fact that they couldn't help the Indians.
In the hanging you mentioned, there were abolitionists I read somewhere that were saying it's just terrible that we have a full plate and we have to go after the white Southerners and help the blacks now.
But when this war is over, we're going to help the Indians against the white people.
And they did.
They tried to start, they started singling that.
You read the novels of James Fenimore Cooper, Indians are very well treated in those novels.
People have pointed out that it takes about three generations before that can be done.
It was about three generations after the Highland uprisings in Scotland in 1745 that Sir Walter Scott started writing his novels in which the Highlanders are glorified.
Previously, the Lowland Scots, with a higher standard of living and a higher level of education, regarded the Highlanders with extreme distaste.
There were more Scottish troops fighting for the Hanoverians at Culloden than were fighting for Prince Charles, in large measure because the Lowland Scots did not like the fact that he had come into the Lowlands of Scotland with these Highlanders who were regarded as uncouth, dangerous barbarians.
And it was the same with the James Fenwick Cooper novels.
He could write these things once the Indians were no longer in the way.
But there would have been no market for those books in the 1700s, which is when they're placed, when people were actually having to fight the Indians.
But it's a deep, deep taproot to this stuff.
Young whites, thank God we have them, so many of them, so greatly encouraging things, the alt right youngsters we have.
But many of them buy into the liberal claim that America was some kind of a racist, white run state down to about 1990.
That has not been the case for a long, long time, if it ever was.
And I've mentioned to you once before this other book by a modern historian named Nathaniel.
Philbrick, who writes on New England history.
And he wrote one called The Bay Colony about the Plymouth Rock and all that.
And you read that, there already was a substantial minority of the Puritans who viewed the Indians with a sort of a Peace Corps attitude.
They were to be taught English, and the whites were to build houses and villages for them, and put them up schools, and turn them into Anglo Saxons.
The majority of peers at that time regarded them as devils and were hostile to them, but there was a lot of whites felt otherwise.
To show you just how crazy these white people were, Roger Williams, we hear about Roger Williams who set up Rhode Island, the Baptist who left Massachusetts and went to Rhode Island to set up this more tolerant colony.
When Philip's War broke out, in which a third of the white population of Massachusetts was massacred, The whites were desperate.
They were really struggling to hang on, and they sent word down to Roger Williams and his colony in Rhode Island and asked for help.
And Roger Williams said, No, the Indians have a better moral cause, and so we're not going to help you at all.
That was in the 1600s, this was going on.
You had a religious kook and nut like Roger Williams.
It has a happy ending to the story.
The Indians didn't give a play here a hoot about Roger Williams' moral sensibilities.
And so they went down into Rhode Island to massacre white people there.
And he and Williams and his Baptists had to flee the city down there, Providence, and take refuge on an island in the harbor.
And this so upset Roger Williams that the Indians did not know how much he was on their side and how he deplored white people.
That he sent word to the Indians that he wanted to talk to someone that spoke English.
And so these two Indians came, and there was a place where it was close enough, the strait between the island and the shore was narrow enough where he could talk.
And he explained to them how terribly wounded he was, that they didn't understand how much he loved them.
And in this way, he probably helped because when those braves went back to the campfire and told the others, probably a number of Indians died and laughed themselves to death.
That's the only help he ever gave the white people.
We've had this kind of erratic cuckoo behavior for a long, long time.
It's a racial weakness and something that we need to be aware of.
And after the revolution, we need to find a way to put an end to it once and for all.
Figure out where in the genome that's passed on.
Yeah.
Louisiana Purchase Context00:12:06
What book was that in?
Just for my information.
I suspect it is genetic and it needs to be genetically removed from our gene pool.
Excise from the G. Exactly.
What was the book that you were referencing?
By the way, King Philip's War is such a fascinating time period.
It's called, it's by Nathaniel Philbrick, and it's called Bay Colony.
And it's about the early years of Massachusetts.
Philbrick is obviously from New England.
He's written a number of books on New England.
He wrote another very interesting one.
I think it's called something like In the Midst of the Sea.
And it's the story of the actual incident that gave rise to Melville's.
Novel Moby Dick.
There actually was a whaling ship that was attacked by a whale and sunk.
That provided the plot for Moby Dick.
He has sort of wry things in there.
I don't know the guy, I don't know anything of him, but I gather he's not a fool.
He talks about how the crew on the boat and the captain had to get into three lifeboats when the boat was sinking, and they made the stupid decision they were going to sail from somewhere around Tahiti.
They're going to sail eastward across the Pacific Ocean to Beachley.
And most of them didn't make it, but some of them did actually make it.
But on the voyage, these were people from Nantucket, and I think abolitionism was already percolating.
But they had African American sailors on the ship.
And so they had to resort to cannibalism to survive, and they ate all of the African Americans.
Only after they were through with the African Americans did they start eating fellow white people.
It's a frightening book in the midst of the city, but it's a great piece of American history.
I have a feeling they'll do some race swapping in the movie if they ever make a movie adaptation about that, Mr. Dixon.
They'll have the courageous black guys be the only survivors who will tell the tale of woe.
And that's how Melville will, he insidiously swapped the true heroes.
I'm sure they'll do that, yeah.
By the way, this isn't on subject.
It has a kind of a rise.
It appeals to my kind of ironic sense of humor.
But the last person they ate was the nephew of the captain.
They drew lots to see who would get eaten, and the bad lot fell to this boy.
And so he asked for a few months to compose himself and to prepare to pray and prepare his soul.
And then when he was through, he gave the sign, and they killed him and ate him.
And the captain ate his own nephew.
And surprisingly enough, when the captain got back to Nantucket, his sister never spoke to him again merely because he ate her son.
What's wrong with these women?
I mean, could you just say that unfortunately your son fell overboard and drowned?
I mean, you have to say that, you know.
It's a sick joke.
But anyway, it is kind of a wry ending to the thing.
I don't even want to know how you'd prepare human meat on a boat when I guess you couldn't have any fire.
Are you eating that raw?
Yeah, I get it.
You know, I'd have sushi.
Yeah.
African and European sushi.
I'm not sure I want to ever be in a scenario where that happens.
People, if they have time, they should read In the Midst of the City by Nathaniel Philbrick.
It's an amazing story.
It's also how tough these white guys were.
They were able to keep going for thousands of miles in these rowboats across the Pacific, and they actually made it to Chile.
Well, I mean, you didn't probably see this past week, but on Twitter, There was a trending topic of the Infowars host Alec Jones going on a hilarious rant about Magellan and about the type of courage and audacity and spirit of conquering that these men had.
That, you know, this guy got eaten by natives.
And as he's circumnavigating the globe and his boats show back up in Portugal, they're falling apart, they're weathered, they're beaten.
And yet, this is the type of mentality that you're describing existed of these individuals.
Uh, surviving not just uh whale attacks, uh, natives eating their comrades, their comrades eating their comrades.
Uh, it's just a different world, and that's in a lot of ways what you encounter in the book Scalp Dance because it is an unfiltered look.
Again, Goodrich goes to primary sources, and he's written a number of really great books, by the way.
Uh, he wrote an amazing book about the assassination of Lincoln by uh, by John Wilkes Booth.
I'm not sure if you've read that book.
I did not know about that, I'll have to get it.
I have three of his books.
Which ones do you have?
Well, I had that red scalp dance.
Then I read the next one I read was called The Day Dixie Died.
Unbelievable book.
That's another one I was going to read.
Great book.
And I was so surprised.
I think Goodrich was a descendant of New England abolitionists in Kansas.
I'm not anti New England.
Three of my great grandparents are from New England.
So I have a much different view of New England than a lot of Southerners.
But anyway, in Scalp Dance, he uses sort of derogatory terms about Confederates.
He calls them rebels and things like that.
So I thought he was.
Hostile us.
But when I read The Day Dixie Died, it's a very sympathetic book about the South.
And it deals with an era of history I'd always wondered about, and I'd never been able to find a book on.
And that is the period between the surrender at Appomattox and the reconstitution of some kind of government, as bad as it was, things were better under the tyrannical and oppressive rump governments that were set up in Reconstruction.
The Arabs have a proverb that one day, one month of anarchy is worse than 40 years of tyranny.
There's a lot of truth to that.
When Lee surrendered and the southern governments collapsed and the county governments and mayors and all this collapsed, the south went through a period of real upheaval.
There was no law, there was no protection, people and their families, and problems with the blacks, with criminal white people.
Nobody had any money.
It was like Germany after 1945 and there was no currency.
The Germans had to create a A sort of black market currency out of cigarettes because the Allies wouldn't let them have any kind of currency.
But anyway, it's very interesting and it belies all of this racial brotherhood stuff that the neo Confederates are pushing.
You can see why Southerners felt that they were unsafe until white people were put back in charge of their counties and cities and states.
Is the other book that you have that he wrote?
The detailing what happened in Germany after World War II, I wonder.
Hellstorm about the atrocities inflicted on the German people by the victorious Allies.
Yeah, that's also a very good book.
It's a phenomenal book, actually.
But yeah, the day Dixie died, that's in many ways that might be even better than Scalp Dance.
But when we're talking about another reason, A, having gone to Jamestown, I was just trying to think of what was the best book that I've read about the atrocities that the Indians did.
And kind of a personal anecdote.
Last year, I was down visiting Atlanta and we went out to dinner and I was going through some of your books.
And I always knew a book like this had to be written, but I came across one in a discard pile that you had, which is called A Selection of Some of the Most Interesting Narratives of Outrages Committed by Indians in Their Wars with the White People by Archibald Loudon.
And I was like, Sam, what is this?
It's this massive tome.
It's about.
500 pages, and it was written in 1807.
And you looked it over and you said, I have never seen this book in my life, but it's no longer in the discard pile.
You'll have to go online to get your own copy, pal.
And I did.
And I tweeted about it, and instantly the price of the book went from about $18 to $25 to $75 to $110, because so many people are like, wow, what is this book?
I've never heard of this before.
And it is interesting, Sam, to think that a book like that came out at the time when the Louisiana Purchase had just happened.
Because think about that.
That happened in 1803.
So, so much of the West was off limits to the young American country as we were beginning to expand and purchase more land.
And as, of course, what would happen under President Jackson, the so called Trail of Tears down in the southern states, getting the Cherokee to reservations to new land.
And it's just something that's intertwined in America this interaction with an alien race that.
Was extremely hostile to whites.
As you've mentioned, what happened in King Philip's War?
Do our listeners just a quick 40,000 foot overview of King Philip's War?
Because again, I think a lot of people are going to be thinking, well, who the hell was King Philip's?
What monarchy was he of?
And he's not even a European.
I don't really have a profound knowledge of it, but I think from reading Bay Colony, there was some kind of a war between the French and the English.
That's right.
And so the Indians were instigated by the French to attack the British colonists, and they rose up and they took them by surprise, and they were able to overrun and destroy about a third of the villages that the whites had settled.
And their leader was a chief named. Philip, and the English name for it became King Philip's War.
That's right.
Eventually, they were defeated.
Once the whites were no longer taken by surprise, the whites were able to rally and to defeat them.
You mentioned James Fenmore Cooper, who wrote.
Last Mohicans, I believe that part of Last Mohicans is actually about King Philip's War or one of the various French and French Indian wars involving the English settlers before.
It's later.
It's in the 1700s, and King Philip's War was in the 1600s.
That is correct, actually.
It's a later skirmish because this went on for decades.
Well, actually, take that back.
This went on for centuries, as we find out in this book, because the book opens with one of the great.
One of the great pieces of, I don't know if you call it travel literature, but have you ever read The Oregon Trail by Francis Parkman?
I did read it, yes.
What were your thoughts on that book?
Well, I read it so long ago, I remember reading it.
I remember reading about Parkman, but I don't really remember the story.
I think a lot of people in New England settled along through the Oregon Trail, didn't they?
That was an unusual Western settlement that drew upon the people from New England.
Oregon Trail Exclusion00:12:04
You know what, one of their first acts once they set up acts, one of the first actions that they took once the territory was established was to bar blacks?
Yeah.
Free your slaves.
Yeah.
The Oregon said, you can't be, we can't have black slaves.
And guess what?
You can't be a freed black and be in the Oregon territory.
So they travel all across the North American continent, all across hostile Indians.
And what's the first thing they do?
Well, it makes sense.
You know, One of the best statements about slavery that was ever made was by Robert E. Lee.
And when Virginia seceded, which Virginia didn't do until very late, they didn't secede until after the firing on Fort Sumter and Lincoln's appeal for volunteers to invade the South.
And the Virginians refused to do that and they reversed themselves.
They had voted against secession, but then they voted to secede.
One of Lee's sons was a Unionist and he did eventually fight for the South, but he was very much opposed to secession.
Apparently, he wrote his father a letter about this, and his father's reply survives.
And Lee says in the letter As for slavery, I've always considered it a great evil, primarily for white people.
It's a surprisingly modern sort of social reform movement, like you would expect from one of the racially socialistic movements like Mussolini's in Italy and that sort of thing.
And he goes on to say it is an evil for white people because it is unfair to working class people who are put into competition with slave labor.
And this causes such people and their work to be held in contempt.
And to be looked down upon.
And he goes on to say, I'm not, as a Christian, I'm not unsympathetic to the blacks.
I'm sympathetic to them.
But my primary concern is to my own people, the white people.
And slavery is a great evil for white people because of the social schism that it creates.
And the people who try to claim that race played no role in the decision of the South to secede, they don't talk about that.
Any more than they talk about Lee's testimony after the war, which is something else that people should know about.
There was a real drive to put on Nuremberg trials in America to try the Southern leadership.
They tried Nathan Bedford Forrest, who was acquitted by a committee of Union officers selected for the idea that they were going to get him for the so called Fort Pillow Massacre, which is all fake.
But they decided that he was not guilty.
Now, modern day, Quote, historians, end quote, are reviving all that and somehow that he was guilty of murdering all these black people.
But getting back to Lee, Lee had to stay put.
He and Jefferson Davis and others had to wait while they were getting ready to try them.
Ultimately, they decided quite wisely that it'd be a mistake to try them and the trials never took place.
But anyway, while this was being incubated, he was taken to give testimony for a A congressional committee made up of radical Republicans and abolitionists.
And one of them asked him, Well, now that the slaves are free, what do you think about it?
And Lee, who's always regarded as the nicest of the Confederates, he was a really nice guy, he replies that, Oh, the abolition of slavery has been a terrible thing.
He said, And he goes on that blacks are a tremendous burden to Virginia, they're causing a lot of trouble.
And they asked him, well, what should be done with them?
He said, they should be sent away.
The neo Confederates that unfortunately have emerged as the spokesmen to the heritage movement don't talk about what Lee thought about black people after the war either.
No, no, they don't, because they can't, because it undermines everything that they are trying to do to create an egalitarian, colorblind utopia, even as their precious monuments, and I do say that in not a condescending manner, but even as their monuments are melted down and transmogrified by black artists and displayed.
This is another issue about white people.
While we're talking about the book, we should put this idea out, hopefully, to these young fellows that are listening to us.
And that is, modern whites don't seem to have much grasp of time.
There are thousands and thousands of white societies that are running things like museums, houses of people.
General Pickens' house in South Carolina, I went to a rededication of that.
And they have this whole society that people are involved in preserving General Pickens' house.
You've got people that are set up to preserve Victorian and Queen Anne architecture.
There are huge numbers of these groups.
Sons of the American Revolution, of which I'm a member, the Sons of Confederate Veterans, of which I'm a member.
And these people are all focused on the past.
The past, it's nice to have a past, but the present and the future are far more important than the past.
And there are very few institutions concerned about the present day white people and the future of the white race.
The American Renaissance is one of the very, very few.
And it gasps along on a budget of a few hundred thousand a year while hundreds of millions and billions of dollars all over the white world are poured into these museums to maintain someone's house or that kind of thing.
Those houses are going to mean anything when whites disappear.
These Confederate monuments are all going down because of demographics.
Blacks are not going to maintain Confederate monuments.
And while the monuments are important, you know, to regard them as these.
These multiculturalist neo Confederates do is really almost a form of idolatry.
The idol itself means something.
The physical object of the statue to Lee in Richmond, which I was sorry to see come down just as you were.
But that's because I believe in the past, present, and future of the white race.
These people that are speaking of the heritage movement, they don't believe in any of that.
No, no, they don't.
No, and that's a great segue, real quick, to just simply.
And people listening, Hey, you should be writing checks to American Renaissance, to countercurrents, to organizations that are trying to preserve the present and the future of the white race.
That's where the attention and the resources should go.
Mr. Taylor is far too.
He's not one who wants to ask, but you know what?
That's what I was going to say a segue.
Listen, you guys are listening to this program.
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And again, the other organization you mentioned, Countercurrents, I can probably count on my hand the number of groups that are actively advocating for the future of and for a better tomorrow for our posterity, for my children.
And Sam, I think I'm glad you brought that up because you can make a donation.
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You know, Jared is one of my closest friends.
He's been a lifelong friend, and someone I think the world of Jared.
He's probably the leading guy on our side on the North American continent.
But he's not without faults.
And one of his faults is he's too good and too aristocratic and too moral to ask people for money.
And our enemies are not like that.
They ask for money all the time.
And Wilmot Robertson, that we discussed last week, was the same way.
I used to argue with Wilmot, you need to raise money.
Oh, I couldn't ask people for money.
Well, you know, hey, everything runs on money, and we can't be too goody-goody.
No, no, no, no.
That wasp mentality falls quite quickly if it's not.
Well, Mr. Percy, you keep calling me with this wonderful Shakespearean language of Mr., and I called you by your first name, which is very disrespectful.
No, it's one of the ways that Mr. Taylor.
To Dixon, you have to be Mr. Percy.
I will.
Or you can just call me, hey, OPK.
No, with Mr. Taylor, there is that decorum.
But it goes back to the whole mindset that you're discussing here.
And it's interesting that we're having this conversation.
We'll put it to rest here in a second.
But I do want to also point out to our listeners there's a gentleman.
Who has, in my opinion, become one of the preeminent speakers and essayists and just amazing spokesmen.
And I think you've seen him with his videos and his speeches at American Renaissance.
I'm referring to Kevin Deanna, the host of Identity Politics.
And again, your donation can go to help grow his program and grow the production of this incredible dedication that he has, putting out three videos.
Per week, sometimes over two hours of just incredible insight.
And that's the kind of thing that the New Century Foundation is helping to fund.
So I think we've said enough on regards to helping fund the future because you're right.
These monuments won't mean anything if there's nobody who cares about them.
And I've made that joke to you before.
White Gold Enslavement00:06:03
Well, it's not really a joke, but I was reading a book that someone, a longtime reader of mine, had sent, and it was a He went to an event at Stone Mountain, of all places.
He went to hear this leftist speaker talk about, oh my God, we've got to put some sort of warning or something on this monument since they won't, since Stacey Abrams didn't win and we weren't able to sandblast it off.
We still have to have the horror of Jefferson Davis and Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee be enshrined on the Stone Mountain.
But here, we're going to have this conference.
And he went and he got a bunch of free books.
And Sam, one of the books.
That he sent me had all of the problematic monuments in the country that still need to come down.
It was written by, oh gosh, I think her name is Dr. Marianne Thompson.
And one of the monuments that she lamented still stands is to Hannah Dustin.
And as I'm reading the book, I'm like, who the heck is that?
And she talks about how this was the first statue in America that was built and erected for a female in 1876.
And that kind of piqued my interest.
It's like, oh, wow, okay, I've never heard of this story.
She survived being kidnapped by Indians in 1697, 1699.
I don't remember the year.
She escaped.
Her child did not, unfortunately, survive.
He was bashed against a tree and she was able to escape and scalped 10 Indians.
And the monument in question, Sam, it shows her with the cleaver and in her pelt are the scalps of the Indians in her belt.
It's a pretty amazing monument.
And that whole idea of Hannah Dustin.
That was one of the stories that the settlers, that the colonists, that the pioneers who were ensuring that manifest destiny, that this continent was settled by whites, that as Thomas Goodrich is writing about the battles that are taking place between the U.S. government, the Calvary, and these various Indian tribes, the Sioux and whatnot, the Apaches, that story was what was motivating because they knew what would happen if they failed,
if they were taken captured, of the atrocities that the various Indian tribes.
What they would do to the female, to the males, to the children.
They would likely be either scalped, murdered, or the females would just be raped to death.
Yeah, well, you know, that's the, it was at Tennyson, I think, it's referred to nature bloody in fang and claw.
And that's the way nature is.
That's the story of the human race.
And that's the way it was and is now and shall ever be, unfortunately.
And what's fascinating as we've come to an end of our discussion here, only are white people told that the atrocities of their past must be atoned and paid in the future.
We just saw the United Nations.
Say that the slave trade, Africans deserve some form of reparations.
And to the everlasting credit of the Trump administration, the United States voted no on this resolution.
They were joined by only three or four other countries, but the United States delegation voted no.
And you think about the just horrors that whites faced that are documented within this book.
And one of the, we almost did an audible, by the way, we were going to talk about the Barbary pirates and the white slave trade.
We might talk about a book called White Gold next week, which is a detailed history of the millions of whites who were enslaved by the Mohammedans, Mohammedans, however you pronounce that, who would actually go up into Ireland and just kidnap whites and then take them to their lands and sell them off because you can imagine the amount of money that a blonde haired, blue eyed white girl would fetch.
You've always made that terrible joke.
But that's your sense of humor.
Well, you know, here at Yen, King Juan Carlos, that Franco put back on the throne at the end of his life, he went to the opening of the first mosque in Madrid, the first mosque they had in some 500 plus years, and he apologized to the Muslims for the Reconquista,
for the reconquering of Spain from the Muslim invaders.
And is there a Muslim on earth who has ever apologized to the Spanish people for the conquista?
No.
But people like that woman that wrote the book criticizing the monument to the white female victim in Massachusetts, people like that, they are so disloyal to their own.
They get such a frisson of moral superiority and pleasure in pursuing their own race.
She probably would justify.
The murder of the white infant.
She probably, well, they had it coming.
They had it coming.
And I think lots of these people, Rachel Maydow, Mary Louise Kelly of Nashville Radio, these people all over the world, they really hate us.
And they would do terrible things to us.
And they someday will when they get the chance.
They long for it.
I think they get a thrill out of the murder of the Tsar and his children in the cellar in Yekaterinburg.
They probably, a lot of them probably get a thrill out of the murder of the Polish officers at Katyn Woods by Stalin.
That's the kind of mentality we're up against.
These are not nice people.
Burning the Boats00:04:48
No, they're not.
And just to close out Dr. Goodrich's book, I would recommend reading the chapter entitled A Fate Worse Than Death, where he discusses the white female narratives captivity.
And he goes to primary sources where he talks about what it was like to be a white female captive in an Indian camp where they were fair game to any type of degradation.
Of the two white women rescued by the 7th Calvary in 1869, it was recorded At first, they had been sold back and forth among the bucks for 15 ponies each, but their last owner only paid two.
One victim appeared to be 50 years old, although she was less than 25.
She had not only been repeatedly raped, but had received constant beatings from jealous squaws.
The chapter is very difficult to read, but it's, again, this book forms the basis for a correct education on the, well, on.
Ensuring that there is a fair narrative resetting, if you will, of the way that we're supposed to view the peaceful, bucolic Indians who were anything but.
But as you've said, they fought back.
And we'll end with this.
There's a story, Mr. Dixon, to continue the Jared Taylor nomenclature the Syracuse Orangemen, which they used to be a university that.
Had an Indian nickname, which they had to get rid of because in the 1950s and 1970s, that was when the left really started to win.
And that's when schools like Stanford and Syracuse got rid of their Indian nicknames.
They actually had a phrase for their men's lacrosse team called Burn the Boats.
You probably haven't heard the story yet.
They have one of the top lacrosse programs in the country.
And some leftists at Syracuse complained and said, Burn the boats.
That's from the conquistadors.
That's the worst.
Holocaust in human history.
That's when all these white people came over and killed off millions, tens of millions of Indians.
We can't be celebrating this.
So the Syracuse lacrosse team had to do away with that.
And I think you'd agree with me that we're nearing a point where we have to burn the boats on any of the past and accept that the only way is forward because we can't cling to a past that we're going to try to hold on to if we don't do what's necessary to secure a future.
We certainly can't.
Look to people who say they're defending the Confederacy when they want to carry on about 200,000 non existent black soldiers in the Confederate Army or Chinese that were working on the Huntley or Hispanics in Texas that were fighting for the South or Chief Waddy.
Those people are really, in many respects, in my opinion, worse.
They're worse than outright enemies like Angela Davis and Hillary Clinton.
Well, Scalp Dance Indian Warfare on the High Plains, 1865 to 1879.
Thomas Goodrich.
That is a book, ladies and gentlemen, that you want to add to your white man's library.
Mr. Dixon, it's been an absolute pleasure.
Look forward to doing one of these again with you next week.
And again, Sam is not going to be incautious when it comes to saying this is only possible because of not just you listening and not just you sharing, but you helping out and donating.
Tax deductible to the New Century Foundation.
Head over to Amarin.com, the Donate Us page, and make that tax deductible donation to ease your tax burden so that, you know, we're not trying to give too many Haitians, you know, free autism money and free homes.
So, anyways, same.
Any other final thoughts as we close?
Well, I'll say thank you, Mr. Kersey.
Mr. Kersey.
Thank you so much.
I'm honored to be invited.
I'm grateful to Jared for.
Giving me the opportunity to speak at American Renaissance, which is really about the only thing I do for our cause.
I have left many things undone in my life.
One of my great regrets is that I did so little.
I should have done so much more.
And I hope that the young folks coming up behind us will do that and that we will win the upcoming struggle and that we will have the kind of ethnostate in which our people can survive, not only survive, but triumph and move on to even greater heights.
And thrive.
Well, the struggle continues.
We'll be here next week, White Man's Library.
So, for Mr. Dixon, for Sam Dixon, this has been Paul Kersey.