Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor - Sierra Club Goes Woke and Goes Broke

Nov. 13, 2025 - Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor

01:01:44

Sierra Club Goes Woke and Goes Broke

Jared Taylor and Paul Kersey wonder how the club could have been so stupid as to hire an ex-boss of the NAACP. They also discuss food stamps, foreign aid, and the terrible cost of non-white immigration to Europe.

Large

Audio Only |

Scroll

Time	Text
	Ladies and gentlemen, esteemed listeners, welcome to Radio Renaissance.
	I'm your host, Jared Taylor, and with me is my indispensable co-host, the one and only Paul Kersey.
	Today is November 12th, year of our Lord, 2025.
	And as usual, we begin with comments.
	Here's one that states as follows.
	I've been both an Ashkenazi Jew and a supporter of white identitarian white advocacy positions for well over a decade.
	I've always gravitated towards your website because I found the content to be both informative and free of the anti-Semitism that often accompanies organizations and individuals that find their home in this movement.
	My question has been gnawing at me for a while now and has only been heating up more as Nick Fuentes has risen to prominence in this space.
	My question, do Jews of European heritage have a spot in this space and does support of Israel preclude someone from being accepted?
	Personally, I have never found my ethno-religious identity to be in conflict with my support for white majority homelands for people of European blood.
	If anything, I've viewed Zionism as a similar sort of movement that awakened me to the idea that whites, like Jews, could and should have their own countries where they are the majority and aren't under threat of demographic replacement.
	Regardless of what you say or don't say, I will continue to support this movement and Amran.
	Well, this is a very serious question and raises an extremely serious point.
	And our commenter is absolutely correct that many people who speak up for white rights seem to think that Jews are not white.
	All Jews are our enemies and should be excluded entirely from any kind of effort to establish white ethnostates.
	I have always disagreed with that position.
	I think that European Jews, some of them, are entirely capable of being 100% men of the West and can be allies in this undertaking.
	You have to look at people, individuals.
	I would suspect that, for example, atheists, atheists who are 100% Aryan, they are probably more likely than people who are Christian believers to be opposed to us.
	You have to look at each case independently.
	And it's certainly the case that Jews have been at the forefront of many, many movements that have tried to undermine any kind of moral legitimacy of white racial consciousness.
	That to me does not mean that all Jews are our enemies and must be excluded.
	And I agree that the state of Israel is an example of people who have established an ethno-state and want to keep it.
	And we should do absolutely the same.
	So again, this is a very difficult question, and I've been criticized because I do not take the Jews are enemy position, but that is not a position I can ever anticipate taking.
	Mr. Kersey, do you have anything to add or subtract from what I've just said?
	Wow, you know, that's a great question.
	Thanks to that listener for frequenting the AR website.
	I think one of the most important things in understanding the rise of someone like Fuentes and the criticism of Tucker right now is this is an issue that is something that a lot of people want AR to talk about and have a conversation.
	And I think it does need to happen.
	I think what you just said is very true in regards to certain elements having a disproportionate role in having a lot of negative things happen to the country.
	Zamor just said the same thing in France, sir.
	I'm sure you saw that, where he said, for 30 years, I've been trying to have this conversation, and this impacts all of us.
	And I think that's one of the most important things is that what you said is right.
	And I do agree with you in regards to the European nature of Jews.
	And they have to understand that the hatred of Israel is because I think a lot of the rising tide of color see Israel as a super white nation.
	And it's like, how can you have this?
	This is like the ultimate expression of everything that's wrong.
	And what you said is right.
	America should be able to do the exact same thing.
	And guess what?
	Your video about the two monuments that were outside the U.S. Capitol, which I recommend everybody watch, it's the Discovery of America and the Rescue Monument that were there from the 1850s to 1958.
	Those symbolized exactly what the United States at one point was, an unapologetically white nation.
	And I think that an America and Israel that are united in that front would be a great thing.
	Yes.
	At the same time, I think, Mr. Kersey, you would agree with me, and I'm sure the commenter would also agree that the role of Jews in Gentile societies in which they live, that is a perfectly legitimate subject of inquiry.
	Correct.
	And yes, all of these things must be up for discussion and let the chips fall where they may.
	But I repeat, I have known Jews.
	I have friends who I consider to be 100% allies in this struggle.
	And as I say, I do not anticipate being shifted from that position at all.
	We have to take each person individually.
	Let's see, another comment.
	Mr. Taylor misremembered when he said he thought that the city of St. Louis was named for Louis X of France.
	Well, I think somebody else already called in that other ninth, right?
	Yes, yes, it is the ninth.
	I got my Louis mixed up.
	And the commenter goes on to say, Mr. Kersey also referred to the beautiful statue in our city that is called the Apotheosis of St. Louis.
	Now, I had never seen a photograph of that statue, never seen it in person, but it is a glorious statue.
	It's King Louis on horseback.
	He's got a flag.
	He's got a sword.
	It's really a very, very impressive structure.
	It's a topic.
	If I could interject, I saw that back in May of this year, and I was in St. Louis.
	And it's before the Grand Art Museum that was built for the 1904 World's Fair.
	And it is a just magnificent place.
	I believe it's in Forest Park, right outside of St. Louis.
	And if any of our listeners get a chance, go there, embrace it.
	It is one of the most beautiful, just acre upon acre of grounds to traverse and to just see basically Europe and America.
	It's extraordinary.
	Yes, it's on what they call Art Hill, and it's right in front of the museum.
	But our listener also sent in some news stories from 2020.
	This was at the height of the collective madness that was provoked by the unfortunate and untimely death of a certain George Floyd.
	But at that moment, there was a push to take down the statue.
	Groups claimed that this would be reconciliation for generations of hate.
	They felt that this statue, which was erected in 1906, represents.
	So it's been up there for 119 years.
	Now, at that time, a statue of Columbus in Tower Grove Park had been taken down, June 17, 2020.
	One of the no fewer than 29 statues and memorials to Columbus that were taken down during those months of madness.
	There were more statues taken down of him than of Robert E. Lee or any Confederate, Mr. Kersey.
	He was patient zero in this horrible poisoning of the Western Hemisphere by European men.
	So he had to come down.
	Disgusting.
	I continue with the news article here.
	Umar Lee says he's not satisfied with just seeing Columbus come down.
	He's a Muslim and an activist, and he's worked alongside Moji Sadiqi, yet another Muslim, to start a petition to remove all symbols of King Louis IX of France.
	One of the things he was canonized for, apparently, was orchestrating the burning of thousands of copies of the Talmud.
	Oh, that's no good.
	And he used money he'd seized from Jewish moneylenders in his kingdom to finance two crusades against Muslims.
	Oh, that's no good either.
	So apparently he was unkind to Jews and to Muslims.
	Now they go on to say, Ferguson frontline activist, that was Ferguson we know very well what that was all about.
	That was a Michael Brown business, yet another breakout of mass insanity.
	Ferguson frontline activist and advocate Kathy Daniels explained at the time, St. Louis was a murderer, a rapist, genocidal maniac.
	Gosh, I'm sure he was a murderer and a rapist.
	Let's call it for what it is.
	We're going to do anything to make sure this edifice to hate is toppled.
	And then chants of Black Lives Matter and Take It Down echoed around the statue's base.
	Needless to say, Kathy Daniels is an African-Americaness.
	Another activist who went by the name of PJ suggested the statue should be replaced with the statue of a black woman.
	That would better represent St. Louis, says she.
	Well, of course, a black woman.
	Now, maybe she can be fat.
	Maybe she can be staring at a cell phone.
	Maybe that's just what we want on Art Hill in St. Louis.
	I am happy to say the statue still stands and there have been no recent cause for it to be pulled down.
	Now, the commenter continues, as a funny personal aside, the girl I was dating at the time was part of the mob that provoked the famous photo of the Brooks Brothers-clad AR-15 brandishing lawyer named Mark McCluskey and his wife defending their mansion.
	You will remember that, Mr. Kersey.
	I remember it very well, too.
	Their gunhandling left a lot to be desired, but still, there they were, prepared to defend their property and their lives.
	And this guy continues about his girlfriend.
	She was well aware of my views on race, but was a rather apolitical artsy type who tagged along with friends from that sort of media just to experience the history unfolding around us.
	She confirmed that the group of rowdy blacks and dysgenic antifa types destroyed the locked gate into the neighborhood.
	I remember that there was some controversy on that.
	They were in effect trespassing.
	They were yelling explicit threats of violence and arson, and she saw one of the white rioters pull out a pistol magazine to emphasize the seriousness of their threats before the McCloskeys armed themselves, came outside, and launched a thousand memes.
	Pretty much.
	I bought a Brooks Brothers shirt after Mark McCluskey for the shirt that he was wearing.
	He looked very dapper as he held the semi-automatic rifle.
	Yes.
	Now, there is an update.
	I wanted to make sure that I recalled correctly what eventually transpired with those two.
	Initially, in July 2020, the couple was charged with a felony count of unlawful use of a weapon for brandishing firearms.
	And on June 17th, the next month, no, I'm sorry, a year later, 2021, Mark McCloskey pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor fourth-degree assault charge under a plea deal.
	However, just two months later, in the same year, 2021, then Governor of Missouri issued a full pardon for Mike McCluskey and his wife.
	So it eventually had a happy ending.
	But I remember thinking, oh, this poor guy, here, these rowdies are threatening to burn the place down.
	He goes out with his weapons.
	In any case, it ended up having a happy ending.
	Well, that is the sum total for our comments from listeners this week.
	We love to hear from you.
	We thought that little interesting episode and the explanation of what happened in the McCloskey event was particularly interesting.
	So you can send your comments and corrections when we make mistakes to me directly.
	If you go to amren.com, A-M-R-E-N.com and hit the contact us page and you can send your comments, love letters and criticisms to Paul Kersey directly by.
	Head over to your email and send me one to becausewelivehereatprotonmail.com.
	Once again, because we live here at protonmail.com.
	And I also want to give a shout out to Kevin Deanna, Jared, and myself.
	Sir, if you're not following us on Twitter, you're missing out on three of the top 10,000 contributors to Twitter out of 10 million.
	I don't know if you knew that, sir.
	You're in the top.
	All three of us are in the top 10,000 for the world in terms of our reach and what we're doing.
	Kevin's at number 2,100.
	I'm at number 7,900.
	You're at number 9,800.
	And you can follow.
	It is out of 10 million people across the world.
	And you can follow Jared at realjar Taylor.
	Myself, you can follow me at BWLH underscore.
	And join the conversation.
	It truly is remarkable to think that three of the contributors to the New Century Foundation's mission have such a receptive audience across the world on X.
	It's a pity that X is not the real world.
	Things are very different.
	Let's make it the real world.
	That is exactly what we're out to do.
	And I have a very encouraging report from a trip to Portugal.
	I thought that because of that trip to Portugal, I might not be able to be on this podcast this week.
	But I have squeezed in what I consider one of my important duties to our supporters and listeners.
	I was at the third Congress, as they call it, of the Reconquista movement.
	The Reconquista movement is being led by a very sharp young Portuguese by the name of Alfonso Goncalves.
	The name Afonso in Portugal is a very common one, and it is the name of the first king of Portugal who established Portugal as an independent nation in the 12th century.
	And that just goes to show you the kind of historical consciousness that Portuguese people have.
	Well, he started this movement only three years ago, and the first time they had a Congress, they had 90 people.
	The second year, 200 people.
	This year, there were 400 people there, all very sharp, committed, racially aware activists.
	It was a very impressive gathering.
	I was a speaker, and also Martin Sellner, the great Martin Sellner, the man who's probably done most to promote the idea of remigration.
	He gave an excellent talk.
	Also, there was a young Frenchman I'd never met before, Hilaire Bouillet is his name.
	And he is the leader of Generation Z. Generation Z.
	The Z stands for Zamour.
	So he is the head of the youth group of the Reconquette party, which is headed by Eric Zamour.
	And I must say, this fellow, Afonso Goncalves, he is a very impassioned and charismatic speaker.
	He spoke in Portuguese, and so I had to listen to his speech through simultaneous interpretation on headphones.
	He moved along so quickly that the interpreter couldn't quite keep up.
	But his message is straight white advocacy, straight remigration.
	All of the talks were excellent in that regard.
	The Frenchman, the Austrian, Sellner, and of course, my message was one of remigration.
	And I can, I tell you, it is just so great to be around these determined, committed young people.
	Interestingly enough, despite the excellence of those speeches, I would say that perhaps the most moving moment was the conclusion in which 400 people sang the Portuguese national anthem.
	They were so enthusiastic, just a thunderous rendition.
	400 voices, mostly male voices.
	Very, very moving to hear them singing.
	I didn't understand the words, but looked them up later.
	And the Portuguese national anthem is practically an identitarian anthem.
	The title is the Portuguese, meaning them.
	And it talks about our glorious forefathers marching on to victory on sea and land.
	It is the perfect anthem for racially conscious Portuguese who want their country back.
	And it ends with marching, marching into the cannons if need be, we march on to victory.
	And that was very much the spirit of that meeting.
	And that's been the spirit that I've found whenever I've been in Europe this year.
	I've been fortunate to be in a number of different meetings, one in Italy, one in Finland, one in Great Britain.
	There really is a sense of European people waking up, understanding what is seriously going on in our country, and determined to do whatever it takes to take their countries back.
	It was a great experience.
	I've written it up.
	It's now one of the features at the Amarin page.
	And I invite all of you all to go take a look.
	So, Mr. Kersey, the first news item we'd like to talk about, you have two back-to-back stories on food stamps.
	This, of course, has become quite the issue because it looked as though the tap might be turned off, but it is remarkable to think about how many Americans they think it's their right for them to demand that we feed them.
	We feed them.
	I've been paying attention to this subject for a long time since basically SBPDL got started.
	But going back to the subject you just said real quick, I do want to point out that Martin Sellner has an English translation of his book on remigration coming out in early 2026 by Passage Press.
	They're doing great work.
	It's going to be fantastic because this is a word that you need to add to your lexicon and use it constantly.
	Well, you know, he's got a new book out in English already by a different press, and it's called Regime Change from the Right.
	I had never heard of the book before.
	He gave me a signed copy of it when we were there together.
	That guy is working nonstop.
	I think he's a very, very impressive young man, along with some others that I know, Andrea Ballarati of Italy, also Tries van Langenhove of Belgium.
	I think that generation is going to produce some really great men.
	Well, they're part of my generation, so hopefully we in America can have some yanks and some rebs who can unite and restore some pride to The USA.
	But speaking of things that aren't that prideful, before we get started with the latest story, it's important to go back to 2009 because the New York Times, you have to remember we had had the credit default swap collateralized debt obligation crisis that created an unprecedented need for food stamps across the country.
	And the New York Times at that point, Mr. Taylor, they put out this interactive map that's still available online.
	You can go county by county to see the racial breakdown of the whites in the county versus the blacks in the county and the percent of each racial group that utilized food stamps at the time.
	And the story that accompanied it is still available as well.
	It's food stamp use soars and stigma fades.
	Again, this is 2009 to show you how bad the problem was.
	And here's just some quick, quick hits from that piece.
	At that point, 16 years ago, there were 239 counties in the U.S. where at least a quarter of the population received food stamps.
	The counties are as big as the Bronx in Philadelphia and as small as Owles Lee County.
	I'm sorry, the counties are as big as the Bronx and Philadelphia.
	I think Philadelphia is its own county and Pennsylvania, but the Bronx, of course, is its own bureau.
	Owlsley County and in Kentucky, a patch of Appalachian distress, Appalachian distress, where half of the 44,600 residents received food stamps.
	Here's some key stats, though.
	And just think, guys, this is 2009.
	We've got, I want to say, 25 million more people on food stamps right now than we did then, just to show you how bad the problem was then.
	In more than 750 counties, the program helps feed one in three blacks.
	In more than 800 counties, it helps feed one in three children.
	In the Mississippi River cities of St. Louis, Memphis, and New Orleans, half of the children or more receive food stamps.
	Even in half or more.
	This is 09.
	Even in Peora, Illinois, every town in the USA, I think Richard Nixon went there and launched his re-election bid.
	Nearly 40% of children receive aid.
	I mean, this is just extraordinary to think that this was 2009.
	Now, here's the most important line from the whole story.
	Now, in 2009, nearly 12% of Americans receive aid.
	Here's the racial breakdown for 2009: 28% of blacks, 15% of Hispanics, Latinos, and 8% of whites in the country received aid.
	Mr. Taylor, think about that.
	This little tidbit was buried in the story.
	At that point in 2009, 28% of the black population in America received food stamps compared to 8% of whites.
	I mean, there's that whole per capita concept that you talk about when people are like, oh, well, wait a second.
	37% of users of food stamps in 2023 were white.
	Yeah, well, what percentage of the white population does that represent versus conversely blacks who got 27%?
	Across the 10 core counties of Mississippi Delta, 45% of black residents received food stamps.
	In a city as big as St. Louis, 60% of the black population received SNAP benefits, food stamps in 2009.
	I mean, what in the world?
	Well, yeah, I bet, I bet, what with all the interest in food stamps, probably statistics of those kind have been updated somewhere if you were able to find them.
	Yeah.
	I have, I have looked very hard and I have not seen them anywhere.
	However, this was the most important, another important aspect of that story.
	A study by Mark Rink, he's a professor at Washington U in St. Louis, startled some partisan policymakers in finding that half of Americans receive food stamps, at least briefly, by the time they turn 20.
	Among black children, Mr. Taylor, the figure was 90%.
	90%.
	Now, one of the things we haven't really heard about in this whole crisis is that WIC is also not being funded.
	Women and children, I'm sorry, women, infant children.
	And the statistics that I've seen on that show that the majority of the people on WIC are disproportionately Hispanics.
	And then blacks are the second largest racial group on WIC.
	But anyways, we now fast forward to 2025, Year of Our Lord 2025.
	And ABC News had this story that they published at the end of October.
	The end of federal food aid could hit black Americans hardest.
	What a surprise.
	Yeah, in one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in the nation, a line stretched along the side of the Holy Apostle soup kitchen and pantry.
	Willie Hilaire is homeless, unemployed, and 63.
	He lives in a New York shelter with his two grandchildren and often goes hungry so that they can eat the food he gets from the SNAP program.
	Gosh, his two grandchildren live in a shelter with him.
	That's what ABC News tells us.
	On many days, the only food he gets is a hot meal from Holy Apostles in Manhattan's Chelsea neighborhood.
	With SNAP at risk, he worries there won't be enough for him and the children, forcing more sacrifice.
	I always tell them, Grandpa is there for you.
	Whatever I have, I'll give it to you.
	We learn that he is like one in eight Americans who uses SNAP, but its halt would disproportionately hurt black Americans like Hillary.
	Black people are 12% of the population, but more than a quarter of SNAP recipients.
	The largest overrepresentation of any ethnic or racial group.
	Other racial groups get SNAP at rates lower than their overall share of the population.
	And they don't go into that, unfortunately, in this article.
	Historians and advocates say that's an example of what's known as systemic racism.
	We still have to hear this crap, Mr. Taylor.
	I know.
	There may be no formally racist policy at play, but America's long history of racism, from slavery to unfair zoning rules.
	Yes, they are claiming that redlining is the reason why people can't purchase food at the grocery store, has left black communities with a series of structural disadvantages and far less wealth accumulated over generations.
	Non-Hispanic white people are 58.1% of the population, but just 35% of SNAP recipients.
	The latest data show.
	Hispanic people and Asian people are underrepresented in the SNAP statistics as well.
	And Native Americans, Amera-Indians get SNAP at basically the same rate that their group is in the general population.
	Go ahead.
	Well, of course, American Indians, they've got other handout programs that are independent of SNAP and WIC.
	Just because if they live on reservations, I think there are all sorts of other benefits they get, including food.
	But be that as it may.
	So I think probably just in terms of proportion of the population, my guess is if you add all the food benefits together that they get because they're on reservations and because they're poor, American Indians may, a larger percentage of them may be on the dole on food dole than blacks.
	Are you implying that the Thanksgiving meal that many American Indians will eat this Thanksgiving will be brought to you by the American taxpayer?
	I think that's highly likely.
	Highly likely.
	Real quick factoid from this story that I found fascinating because they didn't go into poverty creates crime.
	Asian Americans living in poverty face constraints like lack of English fluency and neighborhood gentrification.
	In New York City, 253,000 of the 1.5 million Asian residents use SNAP, according to the nonprofit Asian American Federation.
	Interestingly enough, conversely, 91% of them work, but they still get some form of SNAP benefit.
	With many limited English proficiency, they have a lack of job opportunity prospects, says CEO Catherine Chen.
	Families who have lived comfortably in cultural enclaves like Chinatown for one or two generations are getting priced out.
	I guess that's through white people moving back.
	I'm not sure.
	The article doesn't go into that.
	But a report by the National Urban League last year found that the racial income gap has been virtually unchanged for more than 20 years, with black Americans making 64% of the income of white people on average.
	There's so much discrimination in the workforce, so much discrimination in America today that black people who were enslaved and segregated for 350 years are still fighting for economic parity, said Mark Moriel, the president of the civil rights group.
	I believe he at one point was the mayor of New Orleans.
	While we have a growing number of African-American middle-class Americans, we still have a disproportionate number of poor black Americans.
	Now, Mr. Taylor, I'm sure you remember we've talked at length about what Doge exposed, that the federal government is basically the primary mechanism for an artificial black middle class, which was, in my opinion, the main reason that Doge was forced to pack up its bags and not try and cut the excise fat in the federal budget, because you'd see, what is it?
	St. Charles County.
	No, not St. Charles County.
	What are the two black counties?
	Prince George's County.
	Prince George's County.
	Yes, that's right.
	Yes.
	Those two majority black counties that have the largest median income for blacks in the country are located in Maryland.
	And just north and south of Washington, D.C. Interestingly enough.
	Purely by accident.
	Yeah, yeah.
	There was actually a pretty hilarious video of this black woman complaining that with SNAP benefits, it was on CNN, with SNAP benefits being cut, this was having an impact on black beauty salons.
	And the white woman who was interviewing her didn't really go into, well, wait a second, how are you using SNAP benefits to have your nails done and your eyebrows done and your hair done?
	I would love to know the seedy underbelly of the snap of the snap market and how these benefits are traded.
	Well, you know, nobody seems to be going into the level of snap benefit usage in Puerto Rico.
	I would love to see statistics on that.
	I looked into that some years ago, and in those days, food stamps were actually paper stamps of some kind, and they were a second currency.
	Prostitutes accepted payment in food stamps.
	Now, these days, it's loaded onto a plastic card, like a credit card.
	So maybe it's a little bit harder to persuade prostitutes to accept payment in food stamps, but I bet they've found a way.
	There are all sorts of ways to trick this stuff.
	But yes.
	I've had no experience with prostitutes, but I'd love to know the exchange rate that could be negotiated with that paper EBT card snap benefit.
	Depends on how hungry that prostitute is, I imagine.
	Talk about benefits being.
	No, never mind.
	It's a family show.
	Yes.
	Well, so is that, have you concluded what you have to say about food stamps here?
	Yeah, it's just, It's just, it's just so shocking to hear the word SNAP benefit be used as if this is something positive.
	It's like, well, this is not positive that we have this many people on food stamps that have been on for so long.
	Because remember, this problem, the New York Times ran a lot of stories on this back in 2009, and it's only gotten significantly worse in terms of, you know, 50 to 75% increase in SNAP benefit usage.
	Of course, it's not just SNAP.
	As you point out, there's that women and infant children, if you add that together, with all of the free meals at schools these days.
	When you were going to school, was it ever imaginable, even in your era, that you'd get free lunch and sometimes free breakfasts at schools?
	The argument, of course, is that this is the only way these people are going to get breakfast or lunch.
	And you've got to get them for free because mama and daddy or daddy's not there.
	Mama and grandma, whoever it is, isn't going to give it to them.
	And remember, when the schools shut down because of COVID, there was this terrible panic.
	Where's that free breakfast?
	Where's that free lunch?
	And they had these convoys of trucks that would go out and deliver food to all these poor, hungry people who had to stay home and study online.
	No, we've got this utterly expanding layabout welfare class that we, you and I, productive taxpaying Americans, have to pay for.
	We're carrying these people around on our backs.
	No, it's an absolute disgrace.
	There are so many counties, heavily black counties.
	I'm thinking of Jackson, Mississippi, where to get rid of the stigma surrounding the free lunch program, they've just gone ahead and said, hey, we're going to give free breakfast, free lunch to every student.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	Because it was mean tested, oh, that made them look bad.
	So you can be a millionaire.
	You can be a billionaire's son if you're going to one of these schools and you get free lunch and free breakfast too.
	Oh, it's just, we got to worry about their little delicate feelings, you know.
	Can't have anybody thinking, oh, you must be poor.
	You're getting a free lunch.
	Oh, it's, there are just so many things that I would change if I could wave a magic wand, if I were dictator of the country, but I will never be dictator of the country.
	Well, Mr. Kersey, I was going to talk about this study in a mixture of articles about Europe, but I think I will do this out of order because I think it fits in with this plague of food stamps we've got, this plague of millions and millions of Americans who think it's their right to feed at the public trough and we have to fill it.
	In the Netherlands, a fellow by the name of Jan van de Beek, B-E-E-K, together with three other authors, he is a researcher behind a widely appreciated University of Amsterdam report called Borderless Welfare State.
	And it shows that non-Western immigration, that's non-white immigration, costs the Netherlands billions of Euros every year.
	Immigrants from Somali, Somalia, they cost an average of 606,000 euros per person over lifetime.
	A Euro is worth, as I recall, about $1.25.
	So you're looking at something on the order of 700,000 euros per person over their lifetime.
	And for the second generation, for the same reason, Somalia, it's 460,000 euros.
	It's a little bit better, but the fact that they may have learned how to speak the local language doesn't help very much.
	And this guy goes on to say there are two things the Dutch government can't change.
	The first is they can't force people to embrace our culture.
	And the second, they can't force second or third generation children to have a higher learning potential.
	Now, that's a fancy way of saying they're stuck with the IQ they're born with.
	And this is an interview with this fellow, this Jan Van de Beek.
	He says, in the debate, it's often said, it'll work out for the second generation.
	He says, wrong.
	If the parents are a strongly negative net contribution, the second generation will also be not far behind.
	There's only one notable exception.
	Listen to this, Mr. Kersey, and it confirms all of the standard stereotypes.
	First generation Chinese immigrants, remember we're talking about the Netherlands, were on average low-skilled, had low incomes, but their second generation children outperform Dutch natives.
	What do you think of that?
	Surprise, surprise.
	But that is the one and only exception.
	I'm sure if they had any kind of Korean immigration or Japanese immigration, which they don't, they'd get the same result.
	And it's particularly interesting that second generation children from non-Western, non-white countries have a higher risk of criminality than the first generation.
	That's often the case, that people come over the first generation.
	They're grateful to be in a country that works.
	They actually try to work a little bit.
	They're less likely to be criminals, but their children, watch out for them.
	According to Van de Beek, the generous welfare states in Sweden and the Netherlands specifically attract low-educated third worlders.
	He says, immigrants from Morocco, they're almost as bad as Somalis.
	They cost 542,000 euros per year, and from Turkey, 340,000.
	For the second generation, it's still very bad.
	Second generation Moroccans, 482,000 euros over their lifetime.
	Second generation Turks, 294,000 euros.
	He goes on to say, remigration is an excellent idea.
	Well, it sure is.
	He says, when people cost 606,000 euros, again, that's something over seven, that's probably about 750,000 euros over $750,000 over their lifetime, as immigrants from Africa, then remigration is a great deal.
	Even if you give them 10,000 euros to bugger off or even 50,000 euros to bugger off, it is a great deal.
	He says, for immigrants who entered in the period, just 1995 to 2024 alone, the total lifetime costs for the Dutch Treasury amounts to 700 billion euros.
	That's close to a trillion dollars.
	Yes, trillion dollars.
	He says, when I started saying in 2016, we must leave the United Nations Refugee Convention and change the European Convention on Human Rights.
	Those are the conventions under which these people show up and say, hey, refugee.
	And according to the rules, you can't just boot them.
	He says, when I started saying we've got to pull out of these agreements, many people thought that I was an extremist.
	Now, mainstream politicians in the Netherlands are saying exactly the same thing.
	So let us hope that this guy gets the kind of publicity he deserves.
	And, you know, when you just see it in dollars and cents terms like that, and you don't even have to talk about the cultural dilution, the horror of being strangers in your own homeland, the horror of women who have to walk through these areas where they've got constant cat calls, just in dollars and cents alone.
	It is such insanity.
	And yet our rulers continue to say, oh, no, no, this is a fine thing.
	Bring more of them in.
	So let's see.
	What is you?
	You had another excellent story.
	Yes.
	You talked, you have a story about the shutdown in USAID and hundreds of thousands of people who are apparently being slaughtered on account of this.
	I mean, this is all very appropriate in this idea we got to keep alive all of these drones and parasites here in the United States.
	Apparently, we have a world obligation to keep alive drones and parasites wherever they live.
	You know, Mr. Taylor, it's almost as if USAID is just a dysgenic breeding program to create an army that will at one point, at some point, be brought to either Western Europe or the United States to facilitate the continued destruction of our country, of our nations, and to destroy our sovereignty.
	And it couldn't be more clear than in this piece that the New Yorker published, bemoaning the shutdown of U.S. aid has already killed hundreds of thousands.
	Now, in prior podcasts this year, we've talked about, I don't remember which country it was, but some people couldn't walk about five miles to get their AIDS medicine.
	I don't recall which country it was, but there's been a lot of seeds dropped discussing and lamenting the end of USAID and what that's doing to all these nations who no longer have potable water access or food or drugs.
	Well, this article just comes out quite clear as to what's happening.
	It was January.
	My final week was in the outgoing administration.
	In a few days, Trump would be inaugurated as POTUS.
	I had come to USAID in the early 2022, leaving my surgery practice in public health research in Boston to lead the agency's global efforts.
	Now I'd be returning to my previous life.
	I spent my last days at USAID in meetings with our civil and foreign service leaders, thanking them.
	Their work with partner countries had helped to contain 21 outbreaks of a deadly disease, sustain Ukraine's health system after a Russian invasion, combat HIV, tuberculosis, and polio, and reduce maternal and child deaths worldwide.
	On a budget of just $24 per American out of the $15,000 in taxes paid per person last year, they had saved lives at an almost unimaginable scale.
	An independent peer-reviewed analysis in The Lancet estimated that U.S. aid assistance had saved 92 million lives over two decades.
	Many of the leaders, they voiced trepidation about what the incoming admin might bring back, but I struck a note, a singuine note.
	U.S.AID, I pointed out, had more than 60 years of solid bipartisan backing.
	Trump had advanced significant parts of the agency's work in his first term.
	He had personally pledged to end HIV as a public health threat by 2030.
	Morco Rubio, the Secretary of State that was coming on, had been a vocal supporter of the Bureau.
	There would be isolated partisan skirmishes over diversity initiatives, abortion-related policies, and like, but more than 95% of our Bureau's work had never been under contention.
	Clearly, I lacked imagination.
	Within hours of being sworn in, Trump signed an executive order for a pause to all foreign assistance.
	Rubio sent a cable suspending every program outright.
	No program staff could be paid.
	No services could be delivered.
	Medicines and food already on the shelf could not be used.
	No warning had been given to the governments that relied on them.
	It was immediately obvious that hundreds of thousands of people would die in the first year alone.
	But the admin did not reconsider.
	It escalated.
	Elon Musk exulted in swinging his chainsaw.
	Within weeks and in defiance of legal mandates, he and Rubio purged U.S. AIDS staff, terminated more than four-fifths of its contracts, impounded its funds, and dismantled the agency.
	Neither Congress nor the Supreme Court did anything to stop it.
	Well, I'd like to jump in real quick and say this has been probably the greatest thing that the administration has done.
	I know you've said a lot of things in regards to pausing all refugee resettlement, closing the border.
	But if you stop the funding of an army across the world that can be used to demographically supplant Indigenous Europeans or Americans, that's a pretty good thing, too.
	Yes, I did a video on this at the time it happened.
	Especially these HIV programs.
	HIV drugs are expensive.
	We've been splashing that stuff out for years now, and it doesn't cure it.
	It just keeps AIDS carriers alive so that they can spread AIDS too.
	Incubators, yeah.
	Yes, the people who get AIDS, then they've got to take the drugs that you and I pay for.
	And that keeps them alive, too.
	It's not a solution at all, these AIDS drugs.
	It keeps them alive.
	Now, if they take the drugs, then they are less likely to pass it around, but they still pass it around.
	And the number of AIDS carriers continues to increase despite all of the billions that we've spent trying to control this thing.
	It's just insane.
	Did you know?
	Probably trillions at this point, if you want to be honest about the fiduciary expenditure that's been done.
	Well, also, we splash out for drugs that we can give people who know they're going to have unprotected sex with infected people.
	And if they take these diligently, then they are extremely unlikely to get the disease.
	So we are rewarding people who are doing irresponsible things, keeping them alive, and to the extent that they pass on their genes to other people who will do exactly the same thing.
	It is a hugely, hugely dysgenic thing.
	And most of it's going on in sub-Saharan Africa, which is the only place that is just booming in population.
	And as you point out, those people, they're going to wreck their own environment.
	Where are they going to want to go?
	To Europe and to North America.
	Anyway, I'm sorry.
	My outburst.
	Please continue.
	No, I mean, because this is a moral question that I know a lot of our listeners are probably thinking about, especially from a theological Christian standpoint.
	And the reality is, you know, the supreme function of a statesman is to guard against preventable evils, to borrow a great quote from Enoch Powell.
	And what we're doing here is we are funding artificial proliferation of humanity that otherwise would not be happening.
	And the next sentence I'm going to quote from is what we are now witnessing what the historian Richard Rhodes termed public man-made death.
	Well, I would counter that and say all USAID was doing was public man-made life that otherwise wouldn't have been created.
	It can't be sustained.
	And there's no accountability for this continued proliferation except for these people to be brought to Europe and America and call us racist.
	You know, the idea that by failing to keep these incompetents alive, that is man-made death, equating that with murder is the kind of just completely topsy-turvy, insane morality, so-called morality, that governs liberal thinking, at least in public.
	My guess is, if you had these people completely in private and plied them with drinks, would they really think it's a great idea to have kept these two million people alive that this woman is talking about?
	I wonder.
	Maybe they do.
	Maybe they do.
	Yeah, it's just these charts of the explosion in the population in Africa and these other nations.
	I think Steve Saylor called it the most important graph that humanity must face when it showed the growth of all these African nations compared to the decline in Europe.
	And unfortunately, as you know, a lot of the European births are to non-Europeans within Europe.
	Brooke Nichols, the Boston University epidemiologist and mathematical modeler, has maintained a respected tracker of current impact.
	The model is conservative, assuming, for example, that the State Department will fully sustain the programs that remain.
	As of November 5th, it estimated that U.S. AIDS dismantling has already caused the deaths of 600,000 people, two-thirds of them children.
	The toll is appalling and will continue to grow, but these losses will be harder to see than those from war, than those of war.
	For one, they unfold slowly.
	When HIV or tuberculosis goes untested, unprevented, or inaccurately treated, months or years can pass before a person dies.
	The same is true for deaths from vaccine preventable illnesses.
	Another difficulty is that the deaths are scattered.
	Suppose the sudden withdrawal of aid raises the country's under five death rate from 3% to 4%.
	That would be a one-third increase in deaths, but hard to appreciate simply by looking around.
	Again, you know, this is, you know, not getting too Darwinian, but what are we doing here?
	Exactly.
	What are we doing here?
	For how long are we supposed to keep these people who cannot feed themselves, cannot medicate themselves, can barely house themselves, for how long are we supposed to keep them alive and proliferating?
	Is there no end to this?
	I'd like to know.
	I mean, these are serious questions that these people need to answer.
	I mean, this is a complete inverse of Malthusian nightmare scenarios, because this is something that, you know, 19th century philosophers who were worried about what was happening with mouths to feed, we're creating mouths to feed, and our morality is being used against us.
	And disarming us into questions, like you said last week, about that one quote from the, oh, I can't remember his name, Hillary Herbert Spencer.
	Herbert Spencer, where you talked about breeding an army that our children will have to contend with.
	And that's exactly what this is.
	You know, resource scarcity is unbelievable.
	I posted a tweet the other day, sir, that it had about 3 million views, and it was the potable water test.
	And it was basically, it showed a CDC map of nations where Americans are told not to drink the water.
	And I basically said, hey, if you want to come to America from a nation where you don't have a water system purifying setup where it's safe for us to drink, why should we let you in our country?
	And it's basically all non-white countries, India, China, most of South America, all of Africa.
	And I think that that's a great question because these are not rights.
	You know, you don't have a right to life.
	You don't have a right to food.
	I hate the concept of rights because it's, wait a second.
	You know, water is, you know, water is not a right.
	Potable water is something that takes time and money and effort.
	What it means, of course, is if they have rights to all these things that they can't supply for themselves, that means we have an obligation to supply it.
	That means you and I, Mr. Kersey, we are involved in involuntary servitude in the name of their rights.
	Their rights come at our expense.
	And no, you don't have rights that come at my involuntary expense.
	No thanks.
	Agreed.
	Agreed.
	I would recommend that everybody read this article because I know we're short on time.
	There's a lot of really good nuggets in this piece.
	This is one of the more important articles to read, ladies and gentlemen.
	Again, the title is The Shutdown of USAID has already killed hundreds of thousands.
	It was published by The New Yorker, one of the more prestigious magazines in the country dictating public thought.
	And it's created, of course, a cascade of other articles across the spectrum lamenting what's happening and trying to create this sense of moral indignation at what's happening at the expense of people that we've allowed to proliferate due to the involuntarily large that they've gotten of our tax dollars to breed an army that will be brought here to call us racist.
	It's that simple.
	Indeed.
	Well, here's the story about the Sierra Club.
	I was utterly unaware of what was going on in the Sierra Club.
	You, because you're always aware of everything that's happening, you probably knew about this.
	But this is from an article, explains that longtime members of the Sierra Club warned that the environmental group is imploding after woke infighting destroyed its focus on nature.
	This drove away members and donors.
	I hadn't followed this at all.
	The group was founded in 1892 and, of course, for decades has been sort of the flagship environmental group in the United States.
	But in the last six years, the club has lost 60% of its membership and is reportedly facing a $40 million budget deficit.
	Now, can you imagine that?
	Their annual budget must be huge.
	If they're talking about a $40 million deficit, I wonder how much they spend in an ordinary year.
	And this deficit is despite several rounds of staff layoffs.
	The problems arose as leaders of the Sierra Club looked to capitalize on its influence by expanding into progressive issues ranging from racial justice, gay rights, and immigration.
	The Sierra Club also very noisily supported defunding the police and reparations for slavery.
	Staff were issued an equity language guide, and they were scolded for not prioritizing equity and diversity in everything they did.
	Among the woke standards, they were told not to use the words vibrant or hardworking because they're racist.
	They were told not to refer to Americans because that excludes immigrants.
	And even the term lame duck, that could be an offense to crippled people.
	Well, I'm not supposed to say crippled.
	What are they?
	Mobility challenged people.
	And this is a great one.
	According to the guide, you were never supposed to say, we stand with any person or idea because there are people who cannot stand up.
	And for the same reason, you're never supposed to say someone is blind or deaf to appeals about climate change because, you know, blind and deaf, though, those are taboo words.
	Never say ex-felon, but instead say, well, guess what you're supposed to say instead of ex-con?
	Your imagination is pretty good about this.
	What are you supposed to say?
	An ex-con or an ex-felon?
	I bet you won't come up with it.
	A, a, a, a, you know, I have no idea.
	Yes.
	You're supposed to talk about returning citizens.
	Any person who's been in the big house, he's not an ex-felon.
	He's not an ex-yard bird.
	He's a returning citizen.
	I was trying to think of something restorative, but yeah.
	Yes, well, that's pretty good.
	That's pretty good.
	You are on the right track.
	A restorative.
	Yeah.
	A restorative suit.
	The Sierra Club was always supposed to use the word white supremacy to refer to organized nationalism unless there's a specific reason not to.
	It's automatically white supremacy.
	In any case.
	Now, here's quite a story.
	One member, Delia Malone, told reporters that she had a complaint launched against her for deviating from the organization's new mission because she said the club needs to lobby Colorado lawmakers to provide more protections for wolves.
	Well, one of the new staff said, well, that's all fine, Delia, but what do wolves have to do with equity, justice, and inclusion?
	Think of that.
	You start talking about the environment and start thinking about species.
	And gee, what's that got to do with equity, justice, inclusion?
	And earlier this year, and see, I hadn't thought of this at all, the Sierra Club fired its first black executive director, Ben Jellus, the former president of the NAACP.
	Can you imagine this?
	In its insanity, in its utter and total insanity, it thinks it's got the guy, hire a guy who was the head of the NAACP.
	What does he know about that?
	For some reason, for some reason, I believe that this very light-skinned Negro was put in charge of the Sierra Club around the time of the George Floyd fracas.
	I believe that there's, I think that there's a correlation to that.
	Of course, yes.
	But, well, they actually hired him in 2022 while the George Floyd stuff was calming down somewhat, but they hired him, believe it or not, to reverse its declining membership in donations.
	These people, I mean, you couldn't even make this stuff up.
	His tenure was marked by accusations of sexual harassment, bullying, and overspending.
	Now, can you believe that, Mr. Kersey?
	Sexual harassment, bullying, and overspending.
	An African-American do such a thing?
	Impossible.
	I think that's actually his same tenure at the NAACP was barred by the exact same criticism.
	I wonder why.
	Well, as it turns out, it was Trump's rise in 2016 that may have caused the Syria Club's downfall because that's when its leaders decided to focus on environmentalism was too narrow.
	Things were so serious with a fascist in the White House that that prompted their shift to all of these DEI stuff and a huge expansion of staff.
	This, of course, increased costs, the payroll.
	Their payroll expenses doubled from 2016 to 2024 because they had to hire all these people who were going to fight for DEI and apparently completely lost the idea that maybe wolves, the environment, and clean water had something to do with what their jobs were all set up to.
	Of course, donations dried up as members were turned off by this sudden need to support a wide variety of goofy causes.
	Here's a great story.
	Jim Dougherty, an environmental activist and Sierra Club director, said that in 2019, this is even before Ben Jellis was hired.
	He said, we have two full-time employees devoted to Trump's war on the Arctic refuge, and we have 108 working on DEI, and our priorities are not straight.
	He was the lone board member to object to this, and the board passed a budget that was focused on DEI.
	As I say, I hadn't paid any attention to this.
	And now, even with Donald Trump's return to the White House, the organization has not seen any kind of surge in support as it did when he was first elected, because people have just turned their back on this idiotic group.
	It's current, its current leader, Lauren Blackford.
	She's the new executive director, and she continues to stand behind the club's hard shift to going hard left.
	We win only by building a powerful, diverse movement, she says.
	Well, I looked up a little bit what this lady's been up to in her past years.
	She got a BA from Oberlin.
	Oberlin, yes, just what you'd expect in Third World Studies.
	Ah.
	Now, that's a great preparation to lead the Sierra Club.
	And she insists that environmental work must address economic justice and disadvantaged communities.
	So she is going to continue to lead the Sierra Club straight into the ground.
	Now, I remember, I can't remember what year it was, but somebody offered them what was this huge amount of money if they would refuse to talk about immigration.
	Do you remember that?
	That's right.
	It was, I believe, in the 2000s.
	I don't know if you knew this, but the Sierra Club is the entity that published the population bomb back in 1969.
	Did you know that?
	No, I didn't know that.
	I didn't know that.
	But somebody, and for years, they had pointed out that, look, all these people coming in, that's bad for the environment.
	But some guy, what was the amount of money?
	He was some Jewish fellow.
	I've forgotten his name.
	He said, I'm going to give you $100 million or something like that.
	It was in the eight to nine, maybe even 10 figures.
	It was an extraordinary amount because for years they had had a neutral position on immigration.
	And then they shifted.
	I think it wasn't just neutral.
	They pointed out more people, more environmental damage.
	That wasn't their main focus.
	But yeah, and then he said, you shut up on this and I'll give you all this money.
	And they said, okay, give us the money and we'll shut up.
	And now it looks like they have just gone completely off the tracks.
	Well, Mr. Kersey, good grief.
	I guess we went off the tracks too often that we didn't get to all of our wonderful stories we had here.
	Jeez.
	We will get to them, but no, just to put a bow on the, yeah, just to put a bow on this conversation, the Sierra Club was attacked for decades because back in 1994, a membership survey was put out that 93% of its members were white and that they were talking about the impact of immigration on sustainability and on the deforestation that was happening and very,
	very important concepts that Madison Grant and Teddy Roosevelt talked about, which created all of our national parks back in the 1910s and 1920s.
	Can't have that.
	Can't have an all-white organization, especially if it says anything against immigration.
	My gosh, next thing you know, there'll be stormtroopers marching down Madison Avenue and straight into the White House.
	Well, ladies and gentlemen, we are out of time, as we always seem to be, Mr. Kersey.
	And we thank you so much for your attention.
	It is a joy and an honor to spend this time with you, and we look forward to spending this time with you again next week.

▲