Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor - The Irreplaceable Charlie Kirk

Sept. 11, 2025 - Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor

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The Irreplaceable Charlie Kirk

Jared Taylor and Paul Kersey pay tribute to Charlie Kirk. If he was not already great, he was on the road to greatness, and the more he talked about race the greater he became. Thumbnail credit: © MRSERIKAKIRK/Instagram via ZUMA Press Wire

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	Ladies and gentlemen, dear listeners, welcome to this special edition of Radio Renaissance.
	This is in honor of Charlie Kirk, who was shot down, age only 31.
	Charlie Kirk was really a courageous man.
	And some would say he was a great man.
	I would certainly say that he was on the path to greatness.
	And this despicable assassination has really shocked most people, uh, certainly the vast majority of Americans, I believe, but it's has certainly shocked me.
	Uh I'm joined with Paul Kersey, who is just as shocked.
	And uh we will consider this a tribute to Charlie Kirk.
	Um, as uh everyone now knows he was at a college event.
	I believe there are about 3,000 people there.
	And uh uh, Mr. Kerzy, uh, I think we should talk a little bit about what we know about uh the assassination, and then we can get into some of his politics.
	I know you knew him personally, but if you don't mind, let us uh talk a little bit about what's known about the assassination.
	I think it's important, sir, that you use that word assassination.
	Charlie Kirk was uh a very important figure, and he was about to give a speech and participate in one of these open forum debates on a college campus in Utah.
	And we really don't know that much yet, because we certainly don't know much about the killer.
	Well, uh well, I'll tell you what, apparently we do know.
	Yeah, uh somewhat to my surprise, the Commissioner of Public Safety in Utah says that they were able to track the movements of the shooter both before and after the assassination.
	They say they've got good video of him, and they're working on certain technical problems to see if they can identify him with face recognition, it's that sort of thing.
	And if that doesn't work, then they plan to release the video to the public.
	I'm a little bit surprised.
	They won't don't don't release it now.
	But apparently, after firing a single shot, this guy moved the other side of the building that he was on, was about 200 yards away from Charlie Kirk was.
	Isn't isn't that the estimate of maybe 200?
	2500 uh yards.
	Yeah, it it was a long shot, and certainly it was one shot.
	So there was this was deliberate.
	This was Oh, no question about that.
	This was professional.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's important too.
	That's important too.
	Yes.
	And apparently the investigators say they have a shoe impression and a palm print and forearm prints.
	Now that surprises me very much.
	If this guy was a pro, he would have been wearing gloves.
	He would have had uh long sleeves on for the very purpose of not leaving print.
	So that fact makes me wonder just how much of a professional he was, but he certainly was a pretty good shot.
	And another interesting thing about uh that's come out so far, he did not use an AR-15.
	Uh he used a bolt action, what has been described as a bolt action high-powered rifle.
	He apparently found that in the woods.
	And the fact that it is bolt action suggests to me that this guy was a serious long-distance shooter.
	Uh that uh is the kind of weapon you have, just the steadiest, steadiest sort of shot.
	And uh so this guy knew how to place a shot at a long distance.
	He shot once and he cleared out.
	Now they say jumped off, jumped off the building, and fled.
	And uh apparently there were six officers, police officers working in the event, and uh Charlie Kirk had his own traveling security detail.
	But there were 3,000 people there, and certainly they don't have perimeter control of the kind they would ordinarily have for someone like the president of the United States.
	In any case, uh that is as far as I know.
	Do you know any more about the circumstances of uh this assassination?
	You know, I've seen the videos, I've seen the fact that there were a bunch of elevated buildings, which uh led for coverage and concealment of said shooter, and I've seen pictures of what looks to be the shooter.
	Um, you see just these tiny little figures in the distance, or have you seen the distance?
	That's exactly right.
	This was a long shot.
	I mean, and it's uh it's a terrifying video because there's been a lot that's happened in the past couple past weeks, sir, and in the United States of America.
	And here you have Charlie Kirk, who has been attacked by the left, by South Park, uh making fun of him for going out, and all he's trying to do is have a dialogue with the left to engage in a community and He's just standing there.
	You watch the video, and it's horrific.
	It's horrific.
	The only other thing that is released in the use, so far as I know about the identity of the shooter, is that from the images, he appears to be college age.
	College age.
	Now, they haven't said anything about his race.
	My suspicion is he's probably a white guy.
	And I'm going to go out on a limb here.
	And my guess, my guess is if there is going to be one ideological position that this guy took, it was probably something to do in defense of transsexual rights or defense of abortion rights.
	That's going to be my guess.
	One of the reasons I say that is that these people who are really big on transsexual rights— They're some of the most vicious people in America these days.
	My wife was at a rally just yesterday, the very same day of the assassination.
	And it had to do with a meeting at the school board about a rule, uh, the schools where I live, or these schools where they encourage information and about uh transsexuals and gender fluidity, and and they're talking about making sex change operations uh encouraged, and you don't have to tell your parents, and uh the the school will hold your hand, education about all of this stuff.
	And so there was there's opposition to this, obviously.
	But the people who were there, there were people way brandishing signs that said, kill Nazis, not transsexuals.
	Yes.
	Another sign they said was we stand for equality in the transsexual colors with uh an AK-47 rifle.
	And there were there were guys out there, black black block, uh black head to toe with masks on.
	These people are vicious.
	And so that's just my hunch.
	I mean, there could be a whole host of reasons why someone would want to shoot this guy.
	But uh it's my guess that if it boils down to one thing, it'll be that.
	But it just could be some hopped-up kind of commie lefty who hated everything that uh Kirk stood for, or we just don't know.
	It could be some we just don't know.
	The Wall Street Journal has reported, uh they just reported about an hour ago that ammunition engraved with transgender and anti-fascist fascist ideology was found inside the rifle.
	Authorities believe was used in Kirk's shooting.
	Uh-huh.
	Apparently the guy who shot tried to uh ditch the rifle as he made his uh his or her escape.
	You know, I guess we don't want to misgender the shooter.
	Um but this this this comes about what, three, four weeks after the truon transgender shooting in Minnesota, where the Catholic church was targeted.
	That's right.
	And you saw a lot of rhetoric from the Trump administration talking about potentially banning banning transgenders from having uh the right to the second amendment um due to the due to terroristic threats.
	And you know, we'd be remiss if we didn't just point out um why was Charlie Kirk, sir, you know, why was he a target for assassination?
	Well, well, I mean, he could be a target of assassination for a whole lot of reasons.
	But I didn't realize that.
	They have found ammunition.
	Now, I've never seen ammunition that is engraved with anything other than the manufacturer as well.
	I know, I know.
	And that's and that's why it's one of these situations where it's like, you know what?
	What's really behind this?
	Like this is this was this was done on film.
	It this was caught, you know, all college kids now at these events are uh they've got their phones out there recording everything, they're because they're putting in their TikTok, their Instagram, their Facebook, their meta, whatever.
	And there are way too many angles of the it's this is a horrific.
	Well, well, well, wait, wait.
	I'm still talking about uh this ammunition story.
	Correct, correct.
	Uh but the Wall Street Journal says that ammunition in the gun had pro-transsexual and anti-fascist messages on it.
	Is that what it's saying?
	That is that is what the Wall Street Journal ammunition engraved with transgender and anti-fascist ideology was found inside the rifle.
	Wow.
	As I believe you mentioned it was a bolt action rifle.
	Do they say what kind?
	I've heard Steven Crowder, who was a friend of Charlie Kirk's and uh also a right right-leaning podcaster, got a message from the ATF leaked to him, where he said that they found a 30-06 uh blanket uh not far from the shooting.
	And so that lead credence to how this report was I I am perplexed as to how any kind of ideology can be engraved on a rifle round.
	So that's mysterious to me.
	But okay, then my intuition is perhaps correct that the primary motivation was sort of general antifascism, but then the big thing here is what Charlie Kirk was saying about uh transsexuals.
	I know he was opposed to uh same-sex sex marriage.
	I think he's completely opposed to any kind of uh gender transition.
	Wasn't one of his stances that there are only two sexes and there's just no way you can switch from one to another.
	What was that not one of his trademark views?
	That was not one of that was not only one of his many trademark views.
	He was also attacked for being a firm believer in the great replacement.
	Oh, there are plenty of things, yes.
	But uh what I'm saying is that that seems to be one of his trademark views, and it would not surprise me.
	As I say, these transsexuals, uh, and again, I am going back to the experience my wife had at the school board rally.
	Uh oh and uh I I don't want to dwell too much on that.
	But these black, these black block types, if you walked up to them to talk to them and ask them, they started beating on pots and pans.
	So that they could possibly a bigger part.
	Yes, to make conversation impossible.
	These people are crazy.
	And these people are out in uh that they were not a great number of these black block types, but in face masks, all black, beaten on pots and pants, so that their ears are closed to any kind of opposing point of view.
	You know, it's and it's so these are the kind of people that I can easily imagine want to take a shot at somebody like Charlie Kirk.
	Now Charlie Kirk, sir, if I could just bring up something you probably don't know much about.
	He had been attacked in a show called South Park.
	Uh you may have heard about that.
	Yeah, and he was a character that one of the uh children in that show.
	I mean, that show's been around since 1998, so you can't call it cutting edge, but they were making fun of Trump, calling Trump uh, you know, a Nazi and that he was having sexual relations with Satan, uh, and that Charlie Kirk was out there basically trying to spread Nazism.
	And basically putting the target on this guy's back in in the form of the Cartman character.
	And this has been this has been getting a lot of attention over the past month, especially since the Minnesota shooting.
	Because this was something Charlie talked a lot about.
	A lot of I talked a little about about what that shooting.
	Oh, that shooting, and then also the shooting that happened in Nashville that the media would not release the manifesto, which turned out that the shooter wanted to kill white kids.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Well, they finally they finally did unseal that manifesto.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	Yeah.
	This is a kind of this is this is the kind of dangerous stuff because when you think about you know the John Brown gun clubs across the country, you think about these violent uh anti-fascist blocks in Portland and Seattle.
	There they are disproportionately uh transgender trunes that are a part of this.
	Well, it's certain it certainly seems to be that way.
	And it seems that uh trying to change from one sex to another, I've always thought of it as a form of insanity, but this certainly encourages that point of view.
	Not only is it a form of insanity, but it takes violent forms of yes.
	Uh, and I wonder if I could bring up one more thing.
	Yes, please.
	Think back to what happened in uh July 4th when there was that cell that was broken up before they could launch the attack on ice in Texas.
	There were a number of transgenders.
	That's correct.
	That were part of that, that they were part of that anti-fascist movement.
	I mean, this is this is this is a big moment.
	I mean, sir, I'm I'm 41.
	I'm 41.
	I I you know, I I I knew Charlie Kirk.
	We'll get into that.
	Um this is this is I saw someone on Twitter say this is the biggest political assassination in America since MLK.
	And I I've been dwelling on that a lot, thinking about it, thinking about the impact that Charlie was having on campuses.
	I mean, this is a guy who had the ear of the entire Trump family.
	And I've been reading the comments that Eric, Donald Trump, uh Jr., um, all Laura Trump, all you know, JD Vance, all these people that he was so close with.
	And you start to realize this was the face of the MAGA youth movement on campuses across the country.
	And there were fights that broke out last night in Idaho uh at the state capitol in Boise.
	A bunch of people came to do a vigil for Charlie Kirk, and someone just started coming up and screaming F. Charlie Kirk, F. Charlie Kirk.
	The guy nearly got beat to death.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
	So this one guy is heckling them, and the people who are there to sort of a visual Charlie Kirk nearly beat him to death.
	Yes.
	I saw Sam Hyde has been posting about that on Twitter.
	He's been saying realize where we are.
	You know, watching the people celebrate his death, watching people who have high-level positions in government and local, local uh local bureaucracies, teachers, uh health administrators.
	Zero hedge has this incredible uh continuously updated story right now of all the people who are putting out these just shockingly gleeful messages in regards to Charlie Kirk being being being chased.
	Well, are any of them are any of them prominent people?
	Any of these are these names that you recognize.
	And they're communities they are.
	Uh well, well, but any name, any names that would be nationally recognized.
	Well, I I guess Matthew Dowd was just fired from MSNBC.
	Yes.
	He was fired.
	And I think you uh commented about how disgusting uh of a swine he was for his for his view that if you if it's hateful things, what do you think is gonna happen?
	Well, exactly, exactly.
	And I thought that was contemptible and despicable, but we have to give credit where it's credit is view.
	MSNBC fired him.
	And uh the network issued an apology.
	MSNBC president Rebecca Cutler said his comments were inappropriate, insensitive, and unacceptable, and out he goes.
	And even Dowd himself is apologized.
	The public affairs officer for Fort Bragg, Guillermo Munez, uh, one of my favorite accounts on Twitter, Aesthetica is retweeting this.
	Uh he came out and and said Charlie Kirk deserved it.
	Um so this is the public affair.
	Well, okay, now who is this guy?
	Who is this guy who said that?
	Public Affairs officer for Port Bragg who interacts with media.
	Yeah, he came out, Guillermo Munez.
	I mean, that's what's happening right now.
	Well, hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Uh, this is an employee of the United States Army is saying this.
	Yes, yeah.
	Okay, okay.
	Uh and this kind of stuff, and again, you you're asking if they're prominent people.
	Uh, professor at Middle Tennessee State University just was fired for commenting on social media that was glad Charlie Kirk passed away.
	You're gonna see a lot of this.
	Okay.
	Well, at least they're at least they are being disciplined.
	I suspect if a government employee said that, he's gonna be out the door too, although it's hard to fire government employees.
	But uh I don't know.
	Uh it uh you can always find some blue-haired nut with three rings in her nose who is gonna say, oh, atta boy, we need to kill more of them.
	But I'm just wondering how representative they are of any kind of larger Democrat or leftist movement.
	Now, of course, the people who are brandishing those signs that my saw my my wife saw last week, kill Nazis, not trannies.
	Of course, they don't use the word trannies.
	I'm sure they're celebrating, but those are obvious sickles.
	Uh so I don't know.
	The the prominent Democrats I've seen are all just unanimously condemning this.
	So I mean I know it.
	It's it's easy to wish to attribute absolutely despicable and contemptible thinking to our opponents, and that was certainly my reaction to this Matthew Dowd guy.
	But we have to concede MSNBC did the right thing and fired him.
	Now are they gonna quietly let him back on the team when they think uh we're not looking?
	Who knows?
	But on this occasion, uh, I think they did the right thing.
	You know, uh we're gonna see a lot of people uh make some crazy comments.
	Again, Zero Hedge is talking about how Blue Sky and Reddit, these are forums, uh, you know, Blue Sky was created uh with the mass exodus of the left once Elon Musk took over Twitter, and it's just a a celebration uh apparently.
	Uh I've never I've never taken a dip in the waters of blue sky.
	I don't plan to, but I know that back in April of this year, sir, the Network Contagion Research Institute put out a report where they talked about how the assassination culture is spreading on the left under President Trump.
	And they pointed out that a just near majority of the left believes that an assassination of Trump or Elon Musk um would be a good thing, and that these attacks on the Tesla dealerships because of Elon Musk's more public stances that were heading in our direction were problematic and justified.
	Well, there certainly does seem to be a militancy on the left.
	And it's not just the black bloc that I'm talking about.
	Their point of view has always been, Mr. Kerzy, that what you and I say is not merely wrong, but it's evil.
	It's absolutely evil.
	You're on the wrong side of history, is what I've been told.
	I've seen very close many times.
	Yeah, and to have that audacity to have that uh HUD spot to say something that, again, it's uh just go back to that report, sir.
	38% of the respondents said that it would be at least somewhat justified to murder Trump.
	And they said, wait, wait.
	Now who what's the sample here?
	Uh 1,200 U.S. adults weighed to reflect national census demographics.
	Uh 38% of the respondents said it would at least be somewhat justified to murder Trump.
	31% said the same about Musk, but when counting only left leaning respondents, just a c justification for killing Trump rose to 55%, and Elon Musk 48%.
	Okay, somewhat justified to kill to kill them.
	That that's that's an interesting way to phrase it.
	But no, those are however you phrase it, those are certainly disturbing numbers.
	And the report stated these are not isolated opinions.
	They are part of a tightly connected belief system linked to what we call left-wing authoritarianism.
	I would call it Bolshevism.
	Um I'm not sure what you know.
	Well, they're not Bolsheviks.
	They're not Bolsheviks.
	I just we've we've got to admit that there is a line of demarcation at this point when you have individuals who are celebrating and who are saying, oh, you know, more people need to be to need to meet this same fate as Charlie Kirk.
	I mean, Charlie Kirk was 31 years old.
	You started this podcast out correctly saying he was on the path to being a great man.
	Charlie was a father.
	Charlie Kirk was a husband.
	Charlie Kirk had two young children that will never hug him again.
	He has a wife that will never say, I love you, and hear I love you back from her husband.
	He's he had built a an absolutely fantastic organization that people on campuses across the country, uh, college fraternities uh from Auburn University to Ole Miss to University of Georgia to Oklahoma State, they've all put up huge banners outside their fraternities.
	Um remember Charlie Kirk.
	Remember Charlie Kirk.
	And you're seeing vigils pop up everywhere.
	Uh flags are going to be at half staff, sir.
	Uh President Trump.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	Uh no, uh I understand that.
	But just to uh get back fine to this idea about uh the left's hatred for its opponents.
	Uh I I did look up what some of the prominent Republicans have been Democrats have been saying.
	And just for the record, I mean, whether or not they're just doing this and uh they're gritting their teeth and they're crossing their fingers behind their backs, but Nance Pelosi said it was reprehensible.
	Chuck Schumer said it's horrifying.
	Hakeem Jeffries says political violence is never acceptable in full caps.
	Gavin Newsom says it's disgusting vile and reprehensible.
	Josh Shapiro says it's horrifying, and they go on and on and on.
	Now, uh, and uh look, I don't uh I don't like those who always assume that our opponents are so contemptible and evil that we can never come to any common ground with them.
	I think some Democrats are decent people.
	Uh some of them, uh the ones that drift into Antifa are indecent people who will never be reconcilable with any kind of sane view of the world.
	But uh and you know, we have to we have to be realistic about this and imagine, say uh, I don't know, Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi won't remember Nancy Pelosi's uh husband was attacked by this hammer-wielding weirdo.
	Uh, you know, there were some people on the right who were saying, oh, this is obviously a homosexual trist.
	Uh just joking.
	Well, you know, there are there are heartless and mean-spirited people at both ends of the political spectrum.
	And I don't think that the left has a complete monopoly.
	Now, uh certainly, and if it'd be interesting to know if you asked Democrats, uh, would there be any political, would it be at least partly justifiable to assassinate Hakeem Jeffries?
	I wonder how many would say, well, yes.
	It'd be very interesting to know.
	I I would like to think that the that the number would be considerably lower.
	And I think it probably would be.
	But nobody is immune to this kind of uh political fantasy and political fantasy of violence.
	Anyway, uh I have said my piece, which will probably uh provoke a lot of anger and frustration on the people on our side, but I think it's just too easy to fall into this trap of thinking uh we're all wonderful and those people are all just irredeemable servants of the devil.
	But uh but anyway.
	They aren't they aren't all irredeemable, but you can't no longer base social policy on those individuals within the opposition party who are voice of reason when the I would argue a guy who is trying to have debates and who started off, as we'll talk about in this podcast.
	Charlie Kirk was a very milked toast uh conservative who talked about the you know uh very basic things.
	I mean, he wasn't that different from your nonprofits uh in the he was a Republican.
	He was a Republican.
	He was a card kid Republican who was ready to pass out uh a pocket constitution and probably believed that Haitians fresh off the boat were just as American as you and I uh when our ancestors were here before there was a United States of America.
	Um but his his evolution.
	Yes, remarkable.
	Absolutely remarkable.
	It was absolutely remarkable.
	We're gonna talk a lot about that, but I think it's it's demonstrative.
	Well, why don't you why don't you talk about that?
	You've looked into the th the Groiper Wars, uh Nick Friendly.
	Well, I've looked into a lot of things, and I I'll tell you an anecdote of Charlie Kirk.
	He he knew he knew me, the real me, not Paul Kercy, and he was asking about this is about uh 12 years ago, and he was asking about my experiences with nonprofits in DC.
	And I said, listen, man, all they care about is ensuring that their their forecasted fiscal year budget is met months before uh the end of the uh the end of that year so that they can start planning for the next year.
	They don't want you to rock the boat.
	If you rock the boat, you potentially put a spotlight from the SPLC, from the ADL, from you know, uh these these these um what do you want to call them?
	Soros funded uh media matter types, that kind of crap, right wing watch.
	And that can lead to hit pieces, and then we get guilt by association.
	Uh that's the way that they work, sir.
	That's the way it works.
	Yeah.
	No, uh, yes, you you were explaining that to him.
	Uh I told him I told him, don't waste your life working for one of these organizations because they will use positive stories you do up until the point that you become a liability.
	It's that simple.
	You have to accept that.
	They exist self-perpetually.
	Good for you.
	Uh I think that was that.
	And let's hope that uh that well, that could very well have been valuable advice for him.
	I hope that's a good one.
	Well, he started turning point in USA.
	So I guess uh I guess he listened to it.
	Um I'm not saying it was me, but we had to do that.
	That was that was before.
	That was before he started NFSA.
	And I believe they were affiliated with one of the existing quote-unquote campus uh organizations, uh Morton Blackwell's uh entity there in Arlington, Virginia.
	A leadership institute.
	Yes, it goes around and and tries to, you know, fight for cons the conservative cause and America and push back against the left.
	Well, you know, it it has always it has always disgusted me when Heritage Institute uh somebody tells them something about Jason Richwine.
	Jason Richwine and his PhD thesis had talked about racial differences in IQ, and and he says if you import people who are low IQ into the country, the average capacity and the average capability of the country is gonna decline.
	Heritage knew about his PhD thesis.
	But some watchdog group digs up the thesis, tells Heritage and Harris says, bye-bye, Jason.
	There are so many stories of this kind.
	Well, Kevin Kevin Deanna could write a book about it, and he how spineless and just utterly la, you know, uh callow these people are.
	I believe, I believe when uh John Derbyshire was fired from National Review.
	Didn't National Review Management actually thank the people who had informed them about his uh evil ways?
	I mean, uh on it on at least one occasion or several occasions, this milktoast loser, so-called conservative organization has dumped a stalwart guy and then thanked the swine who tried to dox him.
	I mean, this maybe it wasn't national review.
	Maybe I'm confusing that with another occasion.
	It was National Review that that day.
	He was writing it at that time for NRO.
	The piece had come out in talkie bag.
	You know, it's fascinating because uh these college Republican type groups, you know, they'd be so afraid of having a big speaker.
	I can remember names.
	Uh you'll probably remember some of these guys like Dan Flynn.
	Uh Michelle Malkin was doing a lot of talks, and she was, you know, at that point, she was the flag bearer for um uh immigration.
	Uh uh, and she was one of the few people who was allowed to come talk about about the problem of illegal immigration.
	And she, of course, talk about legal immigration, and she had written that fantastic book, In Defense of Japanese Interment during World War II.
	Yeah, and she she's a she's she's an amazing woman, and she was just facing uh just horrifying assaults and and and fear on campus before Turning Point USA came about.
	I mean, think about it this way.
	Charles Murray, Charles Murray and Heather McDonald can't even go on campuses anymore because of the fear of of being targeted.
	Yes, yes, and that that of course is something that made Charlie Kirk so valuable.
	Yep.
	Going on a college campus, and uh I'd never heard of Utah Valley University, but apparently it's the biggest public university in Utah.
	I've been to that's a beautiful campus.
	So well, uh in any case, the fact that he had three thousand people there listening to what he said.
	If I go to a college campus, I'm lucky to get a hundred people.
	Yeah.
	And he is saying so many wonderful, sensible things.
	He is, in terms of high profile, compared to you or me, he is about a thousand times higher on the profile scale than either of us.
	Oh, sir, 100,000 times.
	He's the flags are flying at half staff, Yankee Stadium.
	Yeah, yes.
	Stadium last night, they did a moment of silence for before the Yankees baseball game.
	You're seeing a lot of people who've never even wanted to talk about politics.
	Again, I never wanted to talk about politics, sir.
	I wish I wish I didn't have to think about this stuff.
	I I look at the picture of Charlie's family, and I have, you know, I have young children, and and thinking that they're never gonna see their dad again.
	It just it broke me yesterday.
	I mean, when when a friend called um, I won't say who it was, but they called and they said, Have you seen this video?
	And I said, What what what video?
	The the uh are you talking about the North Carolina video of of Irena Zaruska?
	Yeah, of course I've seen it.
	And he goes, No, no, no.
	Charlie Kirk just got shot.
	And I was like, What what are you talking about?
	He goes, he was given a speech on campus and he just got shot in the neck.
	There's no way he survived it.
	He's dead.
	And there's a friend who has a background in um in the military and shooting, and he explained what he thought had happened.
	I I watched the video and wait, wait, when you what in what sense was that a North Carolina video?
	Oh, no, no.
	I thought he was I thought he called me to to bring up the video of the life of the Ukrainian uh slaughtered by the uh by DeCarlos, whatever his name is, the black Carlos Brown Jr.
	Carlos Brown Sr.
	He's he's a yard bird too, you know.
	They are his entire family is, sir.
	Yes, his brother, his brother's in the big house.
	Uh half brother, yeah, his half brother.
	Yes.
	Now what do they say?
	What was Donald Trump saying?
	Uh bad seed poisoning the blood.
	Well, you know, we got a little bit right here.
	What's funny is is you know, Charlie Kirk, you think about how so many people have even given up on college campuses.
	Ann Coulter is terrified of going on college campuses.
	Well, the last time she tried to go, there was such a commotion she couldn't speak.
	Yeah.
	And she thanked the only people who helped her out were the Proud Boys.
	And you think about the last time Charles Murray went on a college campus.
	I think he was chased off, and the professor who brought him on was injured as running from the from this.
	They were surrounded, and somebody grabbed her.
	I think she had a ponytail, grabbed her hair from behind and jerked her neck so hard, uh, jerked her head backwards so hard, she had a kind of a whiplash in injury.
	Now that's what happens.
	That's the way these uh youngsters think or not think or refuse to think.
	Uh but you know, uh, well, uh just another example of Charlie Kirk's incredible profile.
	He did a daily three-hour radio talk show, the Charlie Kirk show, which Was in 2024 each day downloaded between half a million and 750,000 times.
	I mean, that is probably greater influence than gosh.
	I mean, there are a few podcasters.
	That's probably a greater influence than any network television host, for example.
	Maybe Joe Rogan and an audience that size.
	I mean, Charlie Kirk was a was a force at a time where the where the right had capitulated to to the left on campuses.
	Turning point USA was its growth coincided with the MAGA movement.
	And of course, we'll we'll talk about their the battles they had with Nick Fuentes' side.
	And let's just be blunt.
	Charlie Kirk, in a lot of ways, started to use the language of the quote-unquote Gore Corps to a far better to a far better um finality in terms of getting these ideas out and and saying them in a in a in a in a in a manner that was attracting a massive audience.
	Just as Nick Fuentes has.
	But the point was, the point was it was to an audience that is not the echo chamber.
	Exactly.
	That is the great thing.
	And that has always been my desire, in which I've been immensely frustrated, is the idea of spreading these ideas as clearly and as attractively and with as much good humor as possible to people who do not agree with us.
	And that is where I think Charlie Kirk's greatness lies.
	To go on a college campus, to go on a college campus.
	And there are 3,000 people in the audience.
	And what is it?
	Where am I wrong?
	Prove me wrong.
	That's actually the banner that he was standing on.
	It's really sad.
	Prove me wrong.
	It took a bullet now to truth wrong.
	That's the way to silence Charlie Kirk.
	Exactly.
	That's the one that's the only way left of these losers to prove him wrong is to shut him up.
	And that, of course, has been the approach that's been taken to you and me and dozens of other people.
	But by the way, the genius.
	What?
	As we're speaking, the FBI in Salt Lake City has released an image of the shooter.
	Oh, okay.
	What's he looked like?
	Do you see it?
	Well, he's wearing a hat.
	And what race is he?
	He appears to be a he appears to be a white guy.
	I would I would have bet any amount of money on that.
	Yeah, he's wearing glasses, and I can't tell what sh he's got on his shirt.
	It looks like it looks like it's Trump doing a hail Hitler on an American flag.
	Uh-huh.
	Okay.
	Well, that sounds like very interesting.
	But I'd like to read a tweet that Charlie Kirk did back in 2023, real quick.
	Just to show that's that's jumping back in time.
	It shall be back in time, but it's important to understand what he was talking about because you think about Charlie Kirk, and a lot of people on our side, they have that opinion of, oh, he's just kind of this water bucket carrier carrier for the Republican Party and the Republican establishment.
	He was not.
	He tweeted on August 23rd, 2023.
	Whiteness is great.
	Be proud of who you are.
	Um I don't think you need to say much else.
	Oh, he had uh, you know, if we go through some of the things that he well, he used to be, for example, a great admirer of Martin Luther King.
	Exactly.
	He thought he was wonderful.
	But now, just in the last couple of years, he has said uh, I think this is great.
	I wish I'd said this myself.
	Martin Luther King is admired only because he said one thing he didn't actually believe.
	That's brilliant.
	That's brilliant.
	Yeah, of course he wanted black people to be judged in base of their color.
	For heaven's sake, all of this, all of this happy nonsense uh manufactured for white people.
	I mean, he at the end of his life, he was beavering away trying to get special handouts for black people.
	What a bunch of Jesse Jackson were in Memphis because they were going to shake down Coca-Cola because there weren't enough black bottlers that owned the.
	Well, they had a garbage that garbage workers uh uh strike that they were going to, but maybe yes, while they were at it, there was a lot of people.
	But it was they had this huge plan to go and try and get make more black millionaires who had access to Coca-Cola bottling licenses.
	And that was one of the things they were doing in Memphis, along with allegedly he was with uh some white prostitutes that night.
	But anyway, well, he was with at least two black women that night.
	Oh, Okay.
	They were flocked this time.
	Okay.
	No, this was uh this is uh this is a a well-established fact.
	Uh some of his uh close buddies who decided to spill the beans on it for one reason or another, he was with two separate black women that night.
	Not his wife, by the way, not his wife.
	But was that Abernathy who did who wrote that in his auto-nathy, Abernathy really kind of uh lifted the curtain on Martin Luther King.
	Uh but but any but back back to this question, back to this thing that I think, as you were suggesting, is one of his real marks of greatness is having brought an alternative point of view to what he described as islands of totalitarianism, namely American universities.
	That's absolutely 100% correct.
	That is yet another, I think, a brilliant formula formulation, formalization formula or formal what am I trying to say?
	It's a formulation that really describes American universities, islands of totalitarianism, and it took a real genius and a persistence and as it turns out, extraordinary courage to have broken through that cordon and made it through onto these islands of totalitarianism and attracted those huge audiences.
	Nobody else can do that.
	Nobody.
	And in that sense alone, he's irreplaceable.
	Well, the only other person I could think who can do that, uh again, who's not who's not just a speaker is Trump.
	Trump is the only one who's a very good thing.
	Oh, well, okay, okay.
	But Trump is different.
	That's it's Yeah, it's completely different.
	I mean, uh when's the last time he was on a college campus, though?
	We're not we're talking about I know I know exactly what you're meaning.
	I'm just I'm just trying to put into perspective the appeal and just how mass of an audience Charlie Kirk was able to get with this college tour.
	I mean, yeah.
	What's so sad about this is he had he was going to be going to I think 10 to 15 more campuses where there was going to be audiences of equal or greater size uh throughout the fall.
	And that's right.
	All of these institutions now it's it's hopefully these continue and they continue to bring on a lot of these really great speakers who are.
	Well, uh Mr. Kerzy, the question is who could replace him to do that?
	I mean, you're gonna take uh oh, I never can't remember.
	What's that?
	Matt Walsh would be one I could think of.
	Well, Matt Walsh, uh yes.
	Uh, what about uh and oh there they're gonna that uh oh heaven's sake.
	Okay, no, that's a black woman uh that uh oh uh uh oh I cannot think of a name.
	Well closely associated with the Candace Owens.
	Yes, Candace Owens.
	Uh now uh Matt Walsh, he'd probably be a good choice, but would he step in?
	I mean, would the organization want him to step in?
	I mean, uh probably uh Dan Shapiro is it what it uh uh Ben Shapiro Ben Shapiro would love to do it.
	I think he he's he is a pale imitation and wrong on so many subjects.
	But uh no, assuming assuming that he's got what, maybe a dozen campuses left.
	It's all set up.
	Who could fill his shoes?
	I think Matt Walsh is about the best suggestion there is out there.
	Well, it's we'll see what I might got to realize just how important uh this guy and and the love that he had that so many people are coming out who are just saying things like I don't want to talk about politics, I just want to live my life, but it looks like we can't do that.
	No.
	So many people on the right want to say we just want to be left alone.
	And the thing is, all of these ideas that the left has forced on, you know, throughout your life, whether it was the destruction, again, you were born uh you were born in Japan.
	But you know, the uh I was born in a country where the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Shelley V. Kramer was passed in 47 by the Supreme Court.
	From freedom of association was was dead when long, long before I was born.
	And I got to taste, as I grew up, sir, I got to taste what America could have been, what America was supposed to be.
	And it motivates a lot of my my philosophy.
	And I think Charlie Kirk was the same way, especially when you come a dad, you realize, you know, the great replacement is real, which he he he understood.
	He understood that it was not about illegal immigration, it was about legal immigration.
	That's right.
	And the dire consequences of the 1965 Immigration Act.
	Here's one of His quotes.
	The great replacement is not a theory, it's a reality.
	And another thing he said, the southern border matters a whole lot more than the Ukrainian border.
	That's another great uh formulation.
	Uh all this stuff is is entirely true.
	And uh it is it is remarkable.
	I suppose it'll be biographies of him, and to some degree, they will trace, they will trace his evolution.
	But it was wonderful to see him coming our way.
	Uh and to maintain the kind of profile.
	I think his profile got even higher as he moved our way.
	What do you think?
	Unquestionably.
	Uh because at that point you started to realize, and this is something you and I've talked about off the record.
	And I don't mean this to be any to be disrespectful, but when you see people like uh Clay Travis with Outkick.com, where all their stories that built up his site to be able to be bought by Fox News, they were all race-related stories.
	And you start, you know, when when people who are accomplished who don't think about the subject, like you and I and Kevin Deanna and others and Peter Bremlow, who who, you know, everything that we see, we see through a racial lens.
	And we just want I want to live in a world where we don't have to do that because we've already implemented social policies that protect and have the structures in place to ensure that any impediments to our posterity living in a peaceful society are gone.
	And I think about Charlie Kirk and about the courage that he had to face down again.
	He he was resolute when he faced down the Grupers, sir and the Nick Fuentes intifada.
	And then he had the he had the courage, though, to listen to the ideas that they brought up and realize they're not wrong about some of this stuff.
	That's right.
	That's absolutely you know, another thing about Charlie Kirk, he never struck me as mean spirited.
	There's nothing vicious about him.
	And that is not something that we can always say about the people who take our positions.
	And that to me is a remarkable, a remarkable characteristic.
	And for a guy who took the kind of criticism he took, it is especially remarkable to maintain a kind of good nature and recognition that one's opponents are not all evil.
	I think that's a very, very important quality, and I think Charlie Kirk had that.
	Even when many of those people are of the opinion that he is evil.
	Of course.
	That goes without saying.
	Yeah, no, I know, and that's and again, that's that's one of the that's one of the harsh realities when you face down doxing threats.
	I mean, Jared, you've you you wrote Pave with Good Intentions.
	It was published by a mainstream publisher, and you were writing at a time when the country was uh, you know, I what 75 to 80% white?
	Uh 1990, uh, yeah, maybe 70% white.
	Uh the decline had certainly begun.
	It had, it had, and but you had all these, you had all these combustible moments in the early 90s where you kind of thought, we're we're heading toward a place where this stuff is going to break out.
	And I'm positioning American Renaissance to be the moderate voice as the as not a spokesperson for for all white people, but as someone who can be approached by the mainstream media to have conversations so that our ideas are at least allotted a spot at the table.
	And Charlie Kirk forced Charlie Kirk forced the old guard over by saying the pocket constitutions aren't working anymore.
	Yeah.
	This is not this this is this is this is for a people that are that is these ideas are vastly incompatible with the new population that is replacing the old America.
	And uh he he succeeded at what I had hoped to do.
	Uh I mean, uh that that's I mean, he would not, he at least in his current iteration was not going as far as I would wish to go, but at least he was, as you say, giving these ideas a seat at the table.
	And not just the table, at the head table, a close personal friend of Donald Trump and his entire family.
	This is this was profoundly important, and that's a huge part of his greatness.
	And of course, that is why so many people hated him.
	Well, I mean, I'll say this, and I I don't know how much you want to get into it, but there was, of course, all the push for doing everything you could to criminalize, you know, anti-Semitism on campuses.
	And Charlie Kirk pushed back and said, What about anti-whitism?
	Right.
	Anti-white of what campuses are.
	It's not that's right.
	Oh, It's like this incident that happened at Florida State where the entire Trump administration pounced on this one pro-Palestinian white girl who uh I don't know, pushed uh pushed a put pushed a Jewish kid, and they pounced and they this was an international story.
	And Charlie Kirk was tweeting about all these stories about white people and the the anti white the anti-white uh consequences and the hate that white students were facing, saying this is a just as big just this is just as big of a problem, if not bigger.
	It's a much bigger problem.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	Donald Trump's obsession with anti-Semitism in the Ivy League, for heaven's sake, at a time when what five of the presidents in the Ivy Leagues are Jews.
	This is just no.
	Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.
	He said that.
	Yep, he said that.
	And that is that is remarkable stuff.
	And uh, well, as uh you'll recall uh the great Joe Silburn.
	Uh one of his one of his commentaries on uh uh Jewish power in the United States, he says, uh once you start talking about Jews, the way in fact Charlie Kirk is talking about them, he says pretty soon you get the message.
	You must always characterize us as an absolutely powerless and persecuted outgroup.
	Otherwise, we will crush you.
	Uh Joe Silburn did say that.
	And Charlie Kirk, again, you you look at where he was in the first Trump administration where the the quote unquote gripper wars were were the hot thing on campus.
	It was always these guys were like, we're gonna go get him and we're gonna talk about all this stuff, and we're gonna be like, why aren't you talking about the stuff that really matters?
	Guys, guess what?
	He did, and they put a bullet in his head.
	Wait, wait, wait, uh oh, oh, uh, I see, I see.
	Yes, he did start talking about the and and and I've said this, I've said this on this podcast already.
	He had the innate ability to look at both sides of an argument, even if it was someone to the right of him, and weigh the pros and cons of that.
	And then he was one of the few people, sir.
	I was reading Steve Saylor's little uh obituary to him, and he pointed out that Charlie Kirk's show was one of the only shows that platformed him and gave him the opportunity to talk about his book, Noticing.
	And what happened in PR.
	NPR wrote a hit piece on Charlie Kirk for having for having done that.
	For having done that.
	They uh they wrote uh NPR wrote this.
	Recent guests on Kirk's top 10 podcasts include a slavery apologist, a pastor who believes women should not have the right to vote.
	And Steve Saylor, a longtime promoter of racist pseudoscience, turning point spokesperson said in PR, told NPR that Kirk condemns white supremacy and doesn't always agree with his guest, but he disputed the characterization of Sailor as a white supremacist.
	Pardon us if we have a healthy skepticism of what the approved of regime institutional mainstream label of racism is, because we've seen it be abused time and time again.
	Okay, so that's what uh Charlie Kirk's spokesman said to NPR.
	Yep.
	Uh the Atlantic R. The Atlantic, again, this shows you the gatekeeping that the corporate media does for anybody because they're paying attention to what guests are coming on.
	I mean, just imagine what would have happened if Charlie Kirk had said, hey, you know, let's have Jared Taylor on to talk about the white race.
	Uh that would be a great conversation.
	The amount of hit pieces would have been enormous.
	Of course.
	But from having Steve Saylor on the Atlantic uh was up in arms that uh they had violated the mainstream media's ban on allowing him to speak in public.
	And they said Kirk discussed crime stats with the white supremacist Steve Saylor in a way that veered toward race science.
	Oh, good grief.
	The statistics, the statistics.
	Just quote the statistics, and you're a scientific racist.
	And Jared, I'm a huge, and Mr. Taylor, I'm a huge fan, a huge fan of Steve Saylor.
	But Steve is a puppy in a lot of ways.
	All he does is he just he leads you to these ideas, and it's it's like, okay, great.
	What about it?
	And then he goes, Oh, I've got another idea over here.
	Uh, there's a baseball game on.
	I'm gonna talk to you about L.A. Dodger's stats.
	Um I think I think Steve Saylor is rendering an enormous service.
	I I don't disagree with that.
	Yes.
	And if he if he's invited on these major programs to go up as far as he's willing to go, I say, God bless it, Mr. Kersey.
	Oh, well, no, no.
	And that's one of the funny things because over the past month, I started really following Charlie Kirk over the past month because it was becoming obvious the people that I really care about that are that are saying the great things.
	You know, Kevin Deanna is one of them.
	You know, you've given Kevin the opportunity, and he's running with it now with his new program, identity politics and the friendships we have with a lot of mainstream right-wing people.
	Aaron McIntyre, the stuff he's talking about.
	And you you look at Charlie Kirk and you know the audience he has.
	He's a top 10 podcaster, as NPR said in terms of his audience size.
	He's going out to college campuses and he's bringing up these topics.
	And it was so weird.
	He would, he would, he would see an article about crime, and then he'd say, Hey, Steve Saylor, I think you need to comment.
	And he'd throw the softball up to Steve.
	But he'd do that with his audience.
	So his audience was now becoming ingratiated and integrated with a thought that was unfortunately for so long kept on the pages of UNS or V Dare and was an anthema to conservatives who were who were too afraid to open that door.
	Yes, yes.
	All of that won't lead you to.
	And it's it's remarkable to imagine where Charlie Kirk would have been, both professionally or politically in five years from now.
	What he would be saying, or 10 years from now, that guy had potentially an absolutely open-ended, a boundless possibility head of him.
	Didn't didn't uh didn't Donald Trump say that uh he could be president someday?
	Wasn't there a lot of a lot of people that I that I that I greatly admire on Twitter have said this guy was this guy could be president, this guy can be a chief of staff, this guy could uh transition from being this figure who is the most uh predominant speaker on college campuses who is dynamic and who is unafraid.
	I mean, that's that's one of the that's that's one of the things that Solz and Yetzin talked about about the West, about Western civilization at that Harvard address back in 1968, sir, where he talked about just the lack of courage in the West.
	Oh God, it it's amazing to think about our ancestors who leapt out of foxholes and charged the barricades, you know, who marched up uh marched up Seminary Ridge and uh just the extraordinary things we did uh and now look at us now.
	It's it's just incredible how gutless and spineless and invertebrate we'd become.
	But uh I was going through uh it's funny you say that uh because I was going through personal hell back in 2020 when the George Floyd summer started.
	And I called you and I said I was on Monument Avenue where they had tried to burn down the Confederate museum and walking by the statues, and you said you have a duty to get that noose off of Jefferson Davis's neck.
	And and I tried, I got up on it, and people were like, What are you doing?
	And I was like, I'm getting this off.
	And this crowd kind of gathered around.
	And then about two weeks later, they tore the Jefferson Davis statue down, and now it's being it's being displayed in a in a in a celebratory manner at the Valentine Museum in in Richmond.
	It's going it's on route to the museum in Los Angeles with a bunch of other museum uh monuments that have been torn down.
	And and it was a disgraceful moment because I realized I am I might be the only person in the country who wasn't just speaking about this stuff, but I was up there and this was goodness you were there.
	And I just I just thought to myself, what are we doing?
	Like what is this is this even worth it?
	Like this is this is this is uh this is just too much.
	Like seeing seeing the what you call the year America went mad and smelling it.
	You could smell the fire that had raged at the museum still.
	You could see you could see the cops who were basically told to stand down by the by the black mayor, mayor, Mayor Stoney, I think was his name.
	And you think about what Charlie Kirk was willing to do.
	You know, you weren't at the Deplore Ball back in 2017 when uh Mike Cernovich and Posobic put on that event.
	There were 3,000 to 4,000 Antifa outside the building.
	They wanted to, they wanted to kill people who were inside.
	And if you recall, um James O'Keefe actually found out that they were trying to figure out a way to put gas into the building.
	it was insane what was going on at that period.
	And I remember I remember walking into the Deplorable and how palpable it was, looking at these people in the eye and just realizing if the police weren't here, they would, they would, they they would rush in.
	Oh, I think there's no question about it.
	There's no question about it.
	Same thing that your wife encountered with those with those trunes.
	And think though, they've now been marinating in this idea that Charlie Kirk is a Nazi.
	Donald Trump is a Nazi.
	They're white supremacists.
	They deserve this violence.
	And Charlie Kirk wasn't wasn't cowed by any of this.
	He was going further.
	He was he was realizing that the hours late, these are the conversations that have to happen for our posterity.
	And I I can't think of a better tribute to say than a guy who you said he was on the road to being a great man.
	I think we see with the outpouring of love from people who never met him and the adulation he's getting from the people who didn't know him.
	He was a great man.
	And well, apparently Donald Trump thinks so.
	He's gonna get the uh medal of freedom posthumously.
	You really is that just that's just out.
	Yes, he's gonna get the meeting medal of freedom posthumously.
	Well, I I can't think of a more symbolic act to the left, then also giving it to Pat Buchanan as well.
	Well, that's that you know, that's that's just it.
	It needs to go to Pat Buchanan while he's still alive.
	Uh I I'm delighted that there's at least something of a movement going on there.
	I wish that there were levers I could pull so that or push that uh would make it possible for uh Pat Buchanan to get the medal freedom.
	But be that as it may.
	Uh well this this really has been a remarkable event.
	And uh it's I think it will be looked back upon as a kind of turning point.
	It a lot of it will depend on who this guy, and I I looked at the picture while we were online here, the guy in the dark blast glasses and the cap, and he's clearly a white guy, and he does look college age or a little older.
	Uh some to some degree it will depend on what this guy thinks.
	Now, they may not take him alive.
	Uh I hope that they do.
	Ordinarily, I'm perfectly happy for uh these creeps to be shot to death by the police, uh saves trial time, saves everything else.
	But it will be very interesting in this case to find out what he thinks.
	And if this stuff will come out in trial, he will, of course, have uh social media, maybe it uh maybe it'll be be an open book, of course.
	You never know.
	The FBI will say, uh, we're gonna go over this and nobody else is gonna see it.
	Well, but in any case.
	Well, I think we have to go over one more thing before we adjourn, sir.
	Okay.
	What was Charlie Kirk's last tweet?
	Wasn't it about uh Irina Zarutska?
	And wasn't he saying this must be, there must be a political reaction to this.
	White people must never let her be forgotten, or something like that.
	But this is a political event that we must never we should never ignore.
	Something you probably have maybe you have to tell you.
	I've got it right here.
	You did he say Charlie Kirk had 5.6 million followers on X. And he said, if we want things to change, it's a hundred percent necessary to politicize the senseless murder of Irina Zarutska because it was politics that allowed a savage monster with 14 priors to be free on the streets to kill her.
	And very good.
	Very good.
	Yeah, he had just gotten into uh a battle with Van Jones on CNN where he said that it was racial and he didn't back down from that.
	He was tweeting about the official Black Lives Matter account justifying the murder of Irina Zarutska.
	And then he said uh he talked about how Van Jones had said that all white people have a virus in their brain is legitimately one of the most racist things I've ever heard.
	And I I actually tweeted at him that morning.
	The morning he died, I tweeted at him.
	Um and I said, Maybe maybe Van is actually onto something, but it's not a virus.
	It's an auto-immu it it's it it it's an immunity that has been desensitized for decades.
	Well, at some point, people like you have to tap into it and realize that that it's okay to take our own side.
	Well, his words about Irina Zarutka, they could be his epitaph as far as I'm concerned.
	They show you that he knew what was important.
	He saw what was essential, and he realized that white people have got to stand up for their own.
	White people have a point of view, white people have a destiny, white people have a heritage.
	And if they don't look after their own interests, surely no one else will.
	I'd like to bring up one more quote that he did, sir.
	It's got 61 million views right now.
	All right.
	So the day that he passed away, the day that he was murdered, assassinated.
	I forgive me for saying that.
	He was assassinated.
	Yes.
	He tweeted out a picture of Irina Zarutska with her hand in her mouth looking up at the Black Sabbath.
	And she's just, she's looking like she's looking for help.
	She's just begging him.
	Oh, that that is almost an epitaph for America.
	If we don't do the right thing, that will be the picture of our being finished off.
	And here's what here's what Charlie Kirk wrote.
	America will never be the same.
	And I think the fitting epitaph for Charlie Kirk and the life that he lived, the short 31 years that he lived on this earth, sir, and as an American, America will never be the same because you stood and had the courage to stand for your people, even if you weren't ready to state that you were standing for your people because he was heading in that direction.
	Oh, he was getting that way.
	Well, very good.
	Very good.
	Well, thank you, Mr. Kersey, for coming on to such short notice.
	And uh rest in peace.

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