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April 26, 2025 - Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor
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Who Will Be the Next Pope?

Jared Taylor and Paul Kersey wonder if the next pope will want to keep Europe Christian. They also discuss disparate impact, Howard University, and the AfD. Thumbnail credit: © Alessia Giuliani/IPA via ZUMA Press

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Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, welcome to Radio Renaissance.
I'm your host, Jared Taylor.
And with me is my co-host, none other than Paul Kersey.
And as we always do, we will begin with comments from listeners.
And it is to Mr. Kersey, who has the honor of reading the first comment.
So please.
Yeah, of course, name is withheld, but our first question comes from a long time listener who says they're not a subscriber or on the mailing list, but they listen every week religiously.
They have for years.
They have an unusual question for us.
Why is it that American white women appear to be getting uglier on average?
Is there something going on with our genes or is it the fast food industry doing this?
Also, the men seem very fat or overweight.
They lack pride or care to look good, work out, or try to take care of themselves.
It's almost as if...
They've given up all hope.
So it goes on a little bit longer, but I'm just going to read that part so we can address it.
So he says that he tries hard to set a good example, Mr. Taylor, for the younger men to follow.
He works out and stays thin, young.
He's just barely over 40, stays disciplined, wear nice clothing.
but he just wants to know what is it about the current look of white people that has them appearing slovenly and less attractive, or in his opinion.
Well, what is your view?
I certainly have a view, but speak first.
I'll be concise and quick with this.
I grew up in a very nice area of Atlanta, and one of my buddy's friends came to visit one time, and when he left, he wrote my friend an email and said, I don't understand where all of you guys came from.
Everybody was six feet or taller.
You were all blonde-haired, blue-eyed.
You guys look like you came out of an Abercrombie magazine.
And again, I just think it's where you are, where you grew up, and the circumstances of your peers.
I think you do become a product of where you're from.
So I don't want to cast aspersions as a whole, Mr. Taylor.
But I do think that unfortunately we are seeing...
An epidemic of obesity.
Well, that's a slightly different matter.
I would certainly agree with that.
And the statisticians would agree with you.
So I think that that plays a part of it.
I think people, unfortunately, are consuming far more alcohol.
I think that's one of the things that needs to be cut out of people's lives.
Just do it.
Go sober.
Try it.
I believe American alcohol consumption is actually going down.
It is.
It is the fastest growing market in alcohol sales is non-alcoholic.
Either mocktails or beer, believe it or not.
Well, there you go.
Yes.
I don't think that Americans are consuming as much alcohol as they used to.
But no question about the large number of obese people.
I'm just looking at statistics now.
In the 1960s, roughly 13% of Americans were considered obese.
By the 1910s, that number had more than tripled, reaching nearly 43% in 2017-2018.
I'm sure there are numbers more recent than that, but that's what I was able to find.
And morbid obesity has risen from less than 1% in 1960-1962, nearly 10% in 2017-2018.
Now, it would be interesting to know...
How white people stack up on that.
Black people are more likely to be obese than white people.
And Hispanics are increasingly more likely to be obese than white people as well.
But there is no question a lot of white people are overweight.
Now, whether white people, aside from being fat, whether they are physically more unattractive for other reasons, I really have no opinion about that.
And did not this person, first of all, say white women?
I'm not...
Quite convinced that if you take white women who are not obese, I think white women are generally pretty attractive.
What is your sense of that?
I mean, being fat makes anybody unattractive.
Exactly.
I think that's the most important thing to specify.
Unfortunately, we live in a society where consumption of...
I mean, you go to a gym in a nice suburban...
Suburb of a major city.
You're going to see some of the most attractive females just at a gym.
Just moms in general.
It's astonishing how I think you can see photos of what people look like.
Again, I'm in my early 40s now.
When I was younger, you didn't really understand the relative nature of age.
It's like, oh, that actor was how old when he made this movie?
And you look at a guy who was – there's a picture – there's a pretty famous picture, Mr. Taylor, of Sean Connery when he's playing James Bond for the first time.
I believe it's Dr. No.
He's in his mid-30s.
He looks like he's 50. He looks haggard.
He looks aged.
He's only in his mid-30s.
Mid-40s, early 50s, who stay in shape, who take care of themselves.
I think they look stunning.
You can't tell a lot of times.
No, I think, if anything, I mean, we have two different trends going on.
Ordinary Americans who don't care about their bodies very much or their health, people who are not very smart on average, a lot of them are getting fatter and fatter.
On the other hand, you have urban professionals, people who are smart, got some money.
Enough to have gym memberships, and they are working out more than ever.
When I was a high school kid back in the 1960s, it was unusual for people to work out.
But these days, I know a lot of people who do.
For adults to have been going regularly to the gym, lifting weights or running, doing something regular for physical fitness, that was pretty unusual in the 60s.
I think it's more common now, but at the same time, you have these sort of diverging trends.
I don't know.
I'm sure there are sensible statistics on that.
And I think we should move on to our next comment, unless you have more to add.
No, I really appreciate the question.
I think one of the great trends, I'll end with this, is if you're on Instagram and you follow some of these muscle moms or some of the guys in their 30s, 40s, they say the most important thing to have in life, it's not watches, it's not the best house.
It's not the best car, but it's taking ownership of your health.
And that's the most important thing that all of our listeners can do, to look good.
Because if you're in your early 40s and you're in great shape, my goodness.
It's not just looking good.
And although it does improve one's appearance, I don't know if I've said this on this podcast, but I've said it frequently.
I guess I was in high school when I had a...
Coach who had this phrase, exercise adds years to your life and life to your years.
And I swaddled that hole and never threw it back up.
I've believed that ever since.
Let it digest into every part of your body.
I love it.
Yes.
Okay, another comment.
If, for whatever reason, come on up.
If Carmelo Anthony were to be set free, now what reason could that be?
If for whatever reason he was set free, I assume our listener means acquitted by a jury of his peers.
Could that possibly push some white people to confront the truth that they've been avoiding?
Well, of course, yes, that reminds us of O.J. Simpson.
The O.J. Simpson verdict in which, despite overwhelming evidence of guilt, O.J. Simpson was found innocent by a jury that had a substantial number of blacks.
That woke an awful lot of white people up.
Not enough, of course, but it did.
Then the listener continues.
Given your experience in engaging with individuals who struggle with white guilt, what kind of moral gymnastics might they use to justify such a verdict?
Well, I think they use it to justify just about anything.
Those who really believe this.
If somebody really pays attention and recognizes that there is just, again, overwhelming guilt for this Carmel of God, and he gets off somehow.
If this does not wake them up to the horribly slanted justice we sometimes get in the United States, not always, but sometimes, then I think the mental gymnastics would have to do with this belief that The United States of America has been historically racist and continues to be racist.
And okay, maybe Carmelo Anthony did kill Metcalf, but...
This can be understood and excused because of all the terrible things white people have put black people through.
I think that is how those who still believe the myth of white guilt will justify this.
This might be a miscarriage of justice, but we are now paying, rightly or wrongly, but we are now paying for the sins of our ancestors, and sometimes this is what happens because we were so wicked in the past.
That is, I imagine, how someone would justify a verdict given all the evidence.
Then more broadly, the question continues, more broadly, does it take yet another tragedy like this for people finally to wake up?
Well, I think it'll take many tragedies like this.
But more and more people are waking up without tragedies of this kind.
It's simply, unless you are completely denatured, unless you are completely browbeaten and just...
Turned into a state of mental cheese by all of the propaganda.
You see it every time you open your eyes and every time you look around.
So the number of people waking up with or without these tragedies is increasing all the time.
Now, Mr. Kersey, you and I love to hear from our listeners.
And there are two ways that you can get in touch with us.
We love to hear from you, your comments, your questions like this.
And of course, I'm persistent about this.
Every time we get something wrong, and occasionally, occasionally, even Brother Kersey gets something wrong.
I do it all the time.
But we love to hear about it.
So, the way to reach me is to go to the Amren page, amren.com, and go to the Contact Us page.
And, by means of the miracle of the Internet, I will get your message.
And the other way...
Hey, it's simple.
Send me an email.
Because we live here at proton.me.
Once again, because we live here at proton.me.
I'd be remiss if I also didn't encourage you all to follow us on X. You can follow me at BWLH underscore, or you can follow Mr. Taylor at...
I guess it's at real...
Yes, yes, we are happy to have followers.
Now the big news, of course, is the death of the Pope, Pope Francis.
I think his pontificate can be very concisely summarized.
He traitorously promoted, and I underline traitorously, promoted massive African and Muslim immigration into Europe.
That is his number one crime, at least from my point of view.
Now, there are people who think that His lax attitude towards homosexuality, and I believe he had the idea of divorced people being allowed to take communion.
He was very much a liberal on questions like that, which, in my case, not a Catholic.
I don't hold strict positions, or I don't hold any positions at all.
It's not my position to take positions.
But to me, the great and awful thing he did was this promotion of massive African and Muslim immigration into Europe, and, incidentally, into the United States.
Because he made statements about illegal immigration and the poor coming into our countries.
That certainly would have applied to any developed country.
And of course, they're all coming into white countries.
So for that reason, I've always been an ardent foe of Pope Francis.
Now, what will his replacement be like?
He appointed no fewer than 109 of the 135 cardinal electors, as they are called, who will choose his successor.
And in his appointments, he passed over many conservative Europeans, who represent, of course, traditionally Catholic lands, and he chose cardinals from such places as Rwanda, Cape Verde, Tonga,
Myanmar, Mongolia, and South Sudan.
Well, how many Catholics are there in Mongolia, or Myanmar, or Tonga?
I mean, there can't be many people, for heaven's sake, on Tonga.
Cardinals from those places.
So, my guess is that insofar as he tended to elect people who were liberal like him, my guess is it's entirely possible we will have a pope that could be even worse than he.
Now, as far as doctrines are concerned, I just don't know.
Now, I did read an article from Crisis Magazine.
This is a magazine that claims to be conservative Catholic.
And the title of this article, Mr. Kersey, was, Why we need a Pope from Africa.
And there is a chance we can get one.
Now, this magazine didn't care for Pope Francis.
His pontificate aggravated deep differences between tradition and progress.
And they are on the side of tradition.
This person says, I believe a Pope from Africa can lead the way.
First, the Church in Africa is young and strong.
There are over 230 million African Catholics representing nearly one-fifth.
Of the global Catholic population.
And this powerhouse of faith is young.
It sure is.
Africa has a medium age of just 19.7.
Half the people are under 20, Mr. Curzzi.
Half!
Unlike Europe and North America, where aging congregations and declining church attendance signal a crisis of faith.
Well, they signal a crisis of demography to me more than a crisis of faith.
This guy says African churches are filled with young, enthusiastic worshipers.
Nigeria alone has over 30 million Catholics and produces thousands of priests annually.
Well, as you know, Mr. Kersey, in a lot of European countries in the United States, we're not producing priests.
There's just not that many people who, unlike in past decades and certainly in past centuries, who all their lives wanted to be a priest, they were perfectly prepared to be celibate.
Be priests?
No.
We have a terrible time getting priests, and that's why you have a lot of congregations, you have parishes in the United States, where you have priests from the Philippines, or from the Congo, or some crazy place.
They're the only person there who's from such a place, but they're the only place we can get priests.
This article goes on to say, African Catholics bring an infectious enthusiasm to their faith characterized by lively worship.
Does that sound familiar to you, Mr. Kersey?
Ever been to a black church?
Boy, they believe in lively worship, all right.
And across the continent, particularly in northern Nigeria, Somalia, and parts of the Sahel, Catholics face relentless persecution from Muslim extremists.
Therefore, African Catholics are modern-day martyrs, their faith strengthened by sacrifice and suffering.
So they're even better Catholics, Mr. Kersey.
African leadership of this kind would galvanize Catholics worldwide to stand firm in their beliefs, being martyrs just like the Catholics in Sahel and Somalia and Nigeria.
Our Western Church, so cluttered with indifferentism, indifferentism, it's the first time I've ever heard that word, being indifferent to, I guess, all things materialism and ennui, needs a red-blooded return to radical religion.
And all those young, enthusiastic Africans will give it to them, I guess.
Many African converts come directly from traditional tribal religions, bringing a worldview that resonates deeply with the incarnational and supernatural nature of Catholicism.
It seems to me we're treading on slippery ground here.
As a result, African Catholicism is marked by a purity and simplicity that recalls the early church before it was layered with complex theological disputes.
Yes, they're not bothering their woolly heads with questions of theology.
African Catholics embrace the supernatural.
And voodoo and all kinds of other crazy things, too.
Witch burnings and who the heck knows.
Boy, as I say, this is very slippery ground.
Then this guy gets to what I think is really the heart of the matter for him.
Issues like the sanctity of life, that's their word for being opposed to abortion.
The dignity of the family, in other words, no homosexual marriage, no changing sex, that sort of thing.
And the centrality of God in public life are non-negotiable for African believers.
Well, these things are apparently non-negotiable for him, and this guy thinks that an African pope will come charging back with all these wonderful things.
Africa is the epicenter of Catholic growth, courage, and fidelity.
The youth, vigor, and courage of the African church, combined with its strong and radical faith, make this not just a possibility, but a necessity.
Conservative Catholicism, Mr. Kersey, needs a black pope.
Why not just move the Vatican to Kinshasa and be done with it, huh?
If that's where all the vitality, all of the enthusiasm, all of the red-blooded religiosity, sheesh, move it out of Rome where all those effete white people don't even bother to have children, you know?
It's just, you know, the white Catholics just don't dare openly.
I mean, due to this befuddled, fawning worship of blacks, they might just allow for a bit of orthodox faith if they can elect a black pope, and so they can get a little bit of the old-time religion back and preen themselves on how tolerant and how much they love black people.
Gosh, these are sad days, Mr. Curse.
Which, you know, exactly.
Is Christ, is Mary, is the Holy Ghost?
Is that the most important thing to modern-day conservative white Catholics?
Or is it, like you said, this quest?
To find a black pope to exonerate all these white Catholics.
And I'm saying this as a Protestant, by the way, so again, this is all somewhat alien to me.
I've been to Mass, but again, whenever I walk up to get communion, I have to say no, because I'm not a Catholic.
It's not your job.
You are disqualified.
Yeah, exactly.
But in looking at this, as somebody who's...
You know, ancestors long ago were obviously Catholic, white Catholics.
I don't want to see the church degraded.
Was it in?
Well, Mr. Kersey, I believe what this man is saying is we need traditional Catholicism.
We need the staunch positions the church used to take on women becoming priests, for example, or abortion.
Or maybe even contraception.
These guys are traditional Catholics, and what they're saying is traditional, enthusiastic Catholicism is found in Africa, and so a black pope is more likely to be representative of that kind of Catholicism.
And if that is your central position, and for Catholics that is often their central position, then race does not matter, and we need a black pope.
That's what this guy is saying.
That's what I believe.
And in a way, it's difficult to argue with that position.
Of course, I would love to say, I mean, if I were a traditional Catholic, I would want a traditional Pope, but I would also prefer a white traditional Pope.
But that's my bigoted, my bigoted, and, you know, being, you know, you know, play the game, you know, make the rules.
No, no.
And I'd like to see a Pope under the same mold of an innocent or an urban.
So, you know.
But that Catholicism is long buried.
Well, let us, gosh, we have already spent so much time on this.
Mr. Kersey, you have an important observation to make on one of the latest moves by our current president.
And this is his decree against disparate impact.
Yeah, and this is by one of my favorite authors, who I am...
I've had the pleasure of speaking with a number of times on podcasts, Heather McDonald at City Journal, and she wrote that Trump takes his biggest step yet toward restoring meritocracy.
The administration's executive order eliminating disparate impact theory restores the 1964 Civil Rights Act to its original meaning.
She writes this, Mr. Taylor.
Measured in Trump time, it took eons to get around to it, but the White House has finally taken the end.
It can, the most important step, to restore meritocracy by eliminating disparate impact theory from civil rights analysis and enforcement.
Now, no one other than Charles Murray said this was one of the best summations of disparate impact on Twitter, of what Heather McDonald writes right here.
Disparate impact theory holds that if a neutral colorblind standard of achievement or behavior has disproportionately negative effect on underrepresented minorities, overwhelmingly on blacks, it violates civil rights law.
It has been used to invalidate literacy and numeracy standards for police officers and firemen, cognitive skills and basic knowledge tests for teachers, the use of SATs and college admissions, the use of grades for medical licensing exams, credit-based mortgage
lending,
And speeding cameras from police departments.
Am I missing anything, Mr. Taylor?
Well, we could probably think of something.
Well, for example, a lot of police departments used to say that you cannot work for them if you've been anything other than honorably discharged from the military.
That was just a standard rule.
We don't want these doubtful cases.
But that had a disparate impact.
And, of course, what disparate impact means, if you have a rule, and whether it's a negative rule or it's a positive requirement, and a negative rule affects blacks more, or if it's a positive requirement and they are less likely to achieve it, then that is ipso facto racist, whatever your intention was.
And so, if you're a police department and you used to have a rule whereby...
Or of firefighters for that matter.
If you were in the military, if you had other than honorable discharge, we wouldn't even consider you.
No, no, no, no, that's no good because that has a disparate impact.
And the same for prison records.
If you have a criminal record for certain jobs, certainly if you're handling money, you would think that if you had a prison record that had anything to do with theft or embezzlement, that this would disqualify you from consideration.
But in certain cases, they'll say, no, no, no, that has a disparate impact because black people are more likely to have these convictions.
So, if we really put our thinking caps on, we could come up with all kinds of amazing examples of how disparate impact has ruined the workforce.
This is a one-hour program, Mr. Taylor.
We don't want to bore children with all that.
But I will say this.
Heather McDonald, that's a phenomenal summation of disparate impact.
I think she did a great job.
So, any of our listeners, if you want to try and explain this to your friends, this is the article to send to them and to post and to lay your head on because I think we should all.
If we're going to be a multiracial country, a meritocracy is the best way to actually have the law laid down and for disparate impact to be completely removed from our lives.
The trouble is, Mr. Kersey, as you well know, disparate impact has been enshrined by the Supreme Court.
1991, correct.
No, 1971, Griggs v.
Duke Power.
Oh, yeah.
There was also the Civil Rights Act of 1991.
Yes, that put it into legislation.
Correct. Supreme Court.
Correct. Supreme Court.
This this is the Duke Power Company.
It required that if you were to be part of their management training program, you had to have a high school diploma and you have to score above a certain cutoff point on an IQ test.
That was it.
it they made there was nothing racial discriminatory about the way they worked it and people of all races were considered for employment in their management training program but because blacks were less likely to be high school graduates less likely to score high on an IQ
test or the cutoff point they said this is no damn good
This goes back all the way to 1971.
And this has been making it difficult to hire the best ever since.
So we'll see.
When an executive order is one thing, a Supreme Court decision is another.
Correct, correct.
Well, again, I've said on this program many times, if you just simply go back, as did Carlton Putnam in Race and Reason, it's all Shelley V. Kramer.
That's where it started.
But anyways, let's get back to the article.
In none of those cases has it ever, Mr. Taylor, been demonstrated that a disfavored standard was implemented to exclude blacks or other minorities from a position, opportunity, or right.
She writes that the genius, if a diabolical one, of disparate impact theory was that it obviated any need to show discriminatory intent on the part of a targeted employer institution.
Discrimination was inferred simply by the effect of the colorblind standard.
She's exactly right there.
Disparate impact theory preserved the hegemony of the civil rights.
Hegemony.
Thank you.
Before any listener says, oh, you got it, Paul.
Hegemony.
Of the civil rights regime long after the original impetus for that regime had all but disappeared.
One would be hard-pressed today to find any mainstream institution that discriminates against blacks in admissions, hiring, or promotion.
The reality, in fact, is the opposite.
Every mainstream institution is desperate to hire and promote as many remotely qualified blacks as possible, as we'll find out in a few minutes about another article from the two most prosperous black counties in America.
It is white males who are disfavored and excluded from positions based on their skin color.
If those black welcoming institutions continue to employ a single standard of achievement and that standard disqualified blacks at a disproportionate rate, civil rights enforcers would declare that they had uncovered yet another redoubt of white supremacy.
The diversity bureaucracy in universities and corporate world would send out the message.
The analysis was the linchpin of the systemic racism argument.
Since the only present-day proof of racism in American society is the underrepresentation of blacks in the professions and their overrepresentation in the criminal justice system, of course, that also extended to food deserts, implicit bias.
What was it?
Not asphalt.
Heat Islands.
Heat Islands, yes.
They're racist, too.
And it even went so far as, under Pete Buttigieg, the racist bridges and the racist highways.
That's right.
That had to be waged a warrant by the Biden admin to the tune of billions of dollars.
I don't know.
Are those...
Are those bridges still racist or are they somehow colorblind now?
Oh, I'm sure they're still racist.
We'll have to tear them down.
That's the only way to keep them from being racist.
Uh-oh.
Meantime, the real cause of disparate impact, the yawning academic skills and crime gaps, was kept assiduously offstage.
What did she say was the real crime?
What did she say?
Talk about racial differences in IQ in this article?
She does not say that.
What's the real reason then?
She says this, the yawning academic skills and crime gaps.
Lack of impulse control, etc., etc.
Oh, lack of impulse.
She's getting somewhere, yeah.
She doesn't say that.
No, no, no, no, no.
Oh, dear.
Heather banged this article out pretty fast, so I guess she may be, that part was buried, buried way, way, way in the article.
But again, she says this to end the article.
This all may be changing.
Executive Order of April 23rd, 2025, Restoring Equality of Opportunity and Meritocracy, sets out the policy of the United States to eliminate the use of disparate impact liability in all contexts to the maximum degree possible.
I think that's pretty good.
It's good language.
Yes, that is pretty good to the maximum extent possible.
Well, I mean, where is it not possible?
You know, get rid of it all.
Be done with it.
Well, you know, there's an alternative view.
An alternative view.
And we've talked about this before, you and I. And I keep lamenting that I have not looked into this with the seriousness with which I should.
But there is a different way of looking at this.
There is a Brookings Institution scholar by the name of Andre Perry.
And it was in his 2020 book called Know Your Price.
Valuing Black Lives and Property in America's Black Cities.
In this book, he coined a phrase, there's nothing wrong with black people that ending racism can't solve.
There you go.
End racism, and wow, they will stop shooting each other.
They will suddenly get top grades at school.
They will invent things.
Boy, their neighborhoods will suddenly miraculously clean up.
They'll keep their houses in good repair.
Just end racism, and everything will be hunky and also dory.
Now, that book took on the problem of unfair appraisals of black-owned homes.
And the undervaluing of properties in the majority of black neighborhoods.
Because, you know, it is true.
If you take identical houses, and sometimes you can find them in a black neighborhood, white neighborhood, that one in the white neighborhood is going to be worth more.
That's just the way it is.
And I guess that's institutional racism.
That is just the wickedness, white wickedness that goes back centuries.
But he's got a new book.
It's called Black Power Scorecard.
Yes, Black Power Scorecard.
Measuring the racial gap and what we can do to close it.
Did you burst out laughing?
I coughed.
It probably sounded like a laugh.
Coughing inside, because, well, I was laughing inside thinking of...
There's probably some actually really good data in this book, but he's, of course, using it for the wrong reasons.
This came out April 15th on Tax Day.
He says, one of the bottom lines of my book is that certain wealth factors are absolutely critical for life expectancy, that if we don't get property ownership...
Home ownership, commercial real estate ownership, business ownership, then you're going to live fewer years.
Now, clearly, black people don't live as long as white people because they don't have those things.
And Perry calls for more robust interventions from every level of government, as well as the philanthropic and private sectors to create more opportunities for African-Americans to increase their abilities to purchase businesses, homes.
Properties.
That's right.
Pony up, Mr. Kersey.
Buy a business.
Come on.
He says, I found this really quite intriguing.
What is clear in my research is that over time, as soon as you start to see white individuals move into a place, all of a sudden, the value of the property goes up.
Well, what do you know?
Now, why could that be?
Why could that be, Mr. Kersey?
But it is true.
Then he goes on to say, people are using DEI and affirmative action more as slurs.
To discredit anti-discrimination policy.
And this is a question that you and I have raised in the past.
They don't see DEI and all of this ladling one advantage after another out into the hands of blacks and other non-whites.
They see this as removing barriers.
This is anti-discrimination.
I mean, it is the most exotic linguistic leisure to man.
Leisure domain.
Somebody's going to tell me I didn't pronounce that right.
But it is real trickery whereby they take these discriminatory policies.
No, no, no, no.
This is anti-discrimination.
But there you go.
As I say, one of these days I really need to look into their reasoning on this stuff.
In the meantime, Howard, one of the most elite historically black colleges.
Would you say it's the most elite?
Who compares?
Spellman, maybe?
It's definitely Howard.
Yeah, I think Howard's top dog, so to speak.
One of the most elite, but I'd say it's the top black college.
It is only 25% men.
Yeah, 75% women.
And of those 25%, only 19 of the 25% are black men.
So, you've got 75% The number of black men attending four-year colleges has plummeted.
Black men account for only 26% of students at HBCUs, historically black colleges and universities, down from an already low 38% in 1976.
So only a quarter.
Of the students at these black colleges are black men.
There are now about as many non-black students attending these HBCUs as there are black men.
So that means a quarter of the people going to these black colleges and universities are non-black.
Now, I had heard of the increasing number of these.
Interlopers.
And in some of the colleges, the alumni in particular are really up in arms about this.
You know, it used to be a safe place for us.
This is ours.
All these honkings, right?
That's right.
That's right.
When's the last time you heard that word?
I actually heard it not too long ago in a joke.
It was actually pretty funny.
It was a Tim Allen line.
The comedian Tim Allen, he referred to the color white.
He said, hey, to his neighbor, what are you going to paint your house?
Honky?
And it was just the funniest thing I'd ever heard.
That's pretty good.
Exactly.
And on campuses like Howard, women run the place.
Yeah?
Yes.
Tamaris Darby Jr.
He is one of these 19% of the student body that are black men.
Tamaris Darby Jr., a 20-year-old sophomore, he says, you see predominantly women out here running for positions, and then you see their friends, young women, showing up for them and supporting them.
It's different for the men, he says.
So the place is just run by women.
And as for how the gender gap affects dating, well, a lot of the boys feel like they've got options, a co-ed says.
Which, if we're being honest, they do.
I guess they do.
Now, this is an article from the New York Times, so this is the kind of jabber we must expect.
New York Times says, Black educators say burdens are already distributed unfairly.
Society undermines black men's belief in their own potential, starting from early education and continuing through professional development.
Now, I thought it was black women who faced intersectional discrimination.
Because they're both female and black.
Uh-oh, uh-oh.
No.
Black educators say burdens are distributed unfairly because they undermine black men's belief in their own potential.
Society does this.
Society does this.
You and I do this.
You know, the air we breathe does this.
And as it turns out, this is more jabber from the New York Times, college-educated black women already have higher lifetime earnings than college-educated white women.
Now, they have an explanation for this.
They say it's because they work more years over the course of their lives.
Perhaps that's true, despite lower annual earnings.
Now, my guess is, and we'll get into this just in a moment, my guess is that the college-educated black women, a lot of them do work longer than certainly some college-educated white women because these black women, they have so few respectable marriage partners among blacks.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Here they've got college educations.
You know, they probably know how to speak.
Pretty much standard English.
Maybe they've got a qualification of some kind.
Maybe they've got a nice job in state government or federal government.
And who is out there among the black male population that is fit to be married?
And it can't pronounce hegemony.
No, I'm joking.
That's right.
That's right.
So, also, now this is interesting too, though.
The Supreme Court's ban on race-based college admissions drove up interest in Black colleges and strengthen the application pool overall for both men and women.
Not a surprise.
And that's a good thing.
Yes, that's a good thing.
That's a good thing.
They'll go where they are wanted, go where they belong, go where the standards are not too high.
And that is an absolutely good thing.
Now, I saw an interesting table that shows just the percentages of male and female undergraduates by race.
So, if you're talking about blacks, the percentage of black undergraduates who are female, that's 62%, and the percentage of males is 38%.
So, it's not quite a two-to-one gap, but that is a very substantial gap.
Only 32% of black undergraduates are men, 62% are women.
And the gap, it follows, you know, this gap follows the usual racial pattern.
The next greatest gap is Hispanics.
The number, 57% of Hispanic undergraduates are women.
43% are men.
In the case of whites, it's fairly bad for us too, you know.
53% of undergraduates are women and 47% are men.
So there's a difference of 6%.
Whereas Asians have actually exactly the same gap as whites.
So it's a very similar pattern, but Asians and whites are at the same gap.
Now, I think it's bad for people of all races to have...
Not more women going to college than men.
Women, whether they admit it or not, they want to marry somebody who makes more money than they do, better educated.
That's just the way it is.
And if you have some woman with a fancy degree and none of the potential men out there have the kind of degree, a lot of them are going to be unmarried and childless.
Celebrating their 50th birthday alone.
I beg your pardon?
Celebrating their 50th birthday?
Yeah, but there's a meme right now going around of this.
She's a very attractive white female who's celebrating her 50th birthday, childless, never married, because she's career first.
Oh, boy.
This is a real person?
This is a real person.
Yeah, it's tragic to look at.
Oh, golly.
And it's probably all finished for her.
She can't have any children.
Of course, you know, with all sorts of wizardry, it may be possible with, I think it's called in vitro gametogenesis, something I talked about in the podcast.
Someday it may be possible to produce gametes, that's eggs and sperm, from ordinary cells.
You take them, put them in the library, and tinker with them with stem cells and turn them into eggs.
So, somebody who was 50 years old, or even someone who was 80 years old, theoretically, you could get a gamete from that person, artificial insemination, and then rent a womb, and off you go.
But, no, I think it's a crime against humanity when these beautiful, smart women fail to have children.
It's the same for men.
Somehow, I feel more grieved in the case of women, because I think they're probably going to go to their graves suffering more from childlessness than men.
It's an awful, tragic thing.
Yeah, I agree with that 100%.
Can I go back and just address the book you said about black real estate?
Please, please.
There's a quote that I read years ago, and I just came across it today.
And it just it hit me really hard because it was from a book I read about Baltimore.
And Baltimore in 1920, Mr. Taylor, was about 90 percent white.
And a lot of the white elite in Baltimore were really worried about the consequences of allowing their neighbors to
Sell their property to blacks.
There's this amazing letter that this woman named Alice J. Riley wrote that is in this book, and it's from 1917.
She asked this question, and I think this is a very profound question.
Quote, what is the use of trying to beautify a city or put in any civic improvements if Negroes are to acquire all of the property?
End quote.
Yes, go on.
That's it.
That's one of the great questions that has gone unanswered except for the state of our current cities.
We vacated like Jackson, Memphis, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Chicago, Buffalo, Rochester, St. Louis, Milwaukee.
You name it.
Yes, yes.
What's the point of beautifying it if it's going to fall into the hands of people unlike ourselves?
It need not necessarily be Negroes.
No, it can be these high IQ Chinese.
Yeah, Vancouver.
Yeah, Toronto.
Yes, I do not want people unlike ourselves who can never be us, who don't want to be us, taking over the wonderful things we created.
I'm sorry, but that's the way I feel, and I have no apologies.
Nor should you.
Let's see.
And I doubt Alice J. Reilly did either back in 1917.
Well, Mr. Kersey, you have an article.
You had teased this earlier.
Trump is doing terrible things, apparently, the black middle class, whether he means to or not.
Well, we talked about this last week.
There was an NBC News article which pointed out and lamented how much of the black middle class was owed its responsibility for its creation due to federal jobs.
Well, now we get an article from...
Excuse me.
Baltimore Brew, which says this.
Baltimore what?
It's called Baltimore Brew.
B-R-E-W?
It's a good website.
B-R-E-W.
I'm sorry.
Baltimore Banner.
My apologies.
Baltimore Banner.
Let's get that right.
You got beer on your mind, boy.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I have alliteration in my mind, and that was easier.
No.
Beer on the mind.
No.
Okay.
Non-alcoholic beer on the mind.
No.
Here we go.
Trump's federal worker cuts are destabilizing the nation's two richest black counties.
And I'm going to be quick and concise with this because this is a very good article that I recommend all of our listeners read, but there's some very important quotes and some statistics in this.
Since opening back in 2022, Herb Banks' Waldorf Area Distillery has served as a gathering spot for federal workers, including four men who used to reconnect over cocktails in the tasting room.
However, the group hasn't stopped in as often.
Nor have any regulars.
Many in Waldorf, a booming majority black bedroom community in Charles County, are scaling back their spending amid the Trump administration's aggressive cuts to the federal workforce.
The revenue has decreased significantly, Banks said of his business, Copper Compass Distillery.
Charles and Prince George's counties, both Maryland counties with intertwined histories, are the nation's richest majority black.
Now, think about that as we progress through this article, as to why that is.
With median household incomes that exceed $100,000, nowhere else in the country comes close.
Dotted with megachurches, greenery, and stately homes, they serve as powerful symbols of black affluence and opportunity.
Now, Trump's mass firing of federal workers are shaking the foundation of these suburban D.C. counties' success.
Reliable, good-paying government jobs.
About one in every five black workers here is employed by the federal government, 20%, double the statewide average, an analysis by the Baltimore banner of U.S. Census data showed.
Unlike other communities around the country, federal employment is the main determinant of income status in Maryland's black neighborhoods.
Here, each 1% jump in workers employed by the federal government adds about $3,300 in medium household income.
So this robust black upper middle class has helped fuel small businesses, restaurants, and retailers across Charles and Prince George's counties.
However, local entrepreneurs now fear widespread job loss is going to ripple across the economy.
When President Franklin Roosevelt integrated the federal workforce through executive order in 1941, Prince George's was over 80% white
Again, 1941, county was 80% white and, you know, just greenery everywhere, farmland.
However, this order gave black workers who had long experienced discrimination in the private sector a path to better pay and career stability.
This is the banner who's explaining that they were suffering from discrimination.
Yes, disparate impact, obviously.
No, not disparate impact.
This is outright discrimination.
That's true.
You're right.
There's a big difference.
My apologies.
That's important to point out.
So during the Civil Rights Act era, the Fair Housing Act opened many suburbs to black families for the first time.
By the early 1970s, the first wave of black families had moved into Prince George's to claim a piece of suburbia, and with it, the American Dream.
Many who migrated into the county were government workers from D.C. Their children and grandchildren often pursued similar paths.
Drawn by the calling of public service and the promise of a middle-class life.
I don't think there was some porn, some chivalrous act of sacrifice.
No, don't sell them short.
They were serving their country.
They were serving their country.
Sounds like they're serving themselves.
One of them was Connie Moore.
She grew up in a family of entrepreneurs and government workers.
She was inspired by their experiences, so she left the private sector in 2006, landing a job at the Department of Transportation, and she purchased her home with her fiancé in Akokak?
I guess that's the way to pronounce that?
A community of black...
Akakak.
Is that really?
No, no.
I'm sorry.
It's Akakik.
Akakik.
Akakik.
It's E-E-K.
Akakik.
Akakik.
I assume that was a tribe that probably lived there.
Yes, probably not African-American.
No, no, no, no.
Probably not.
But Akakik is a community of black professionals.
After promotion, she transitioned to the Department of Education.
This is going to be it for me, she said she thought at the time.
I want to stick with the federal government, get a good career, and retire.
That sounds like she had a great call in there.
It sounds like she just wanted an easy job and not much responsibility but a good paycheck.
So the concentration of federal workers in Prince George's County allowed it to become a national outlier, a place that grew richer and more educated as it became majority black.
Today, more than 70% of full-time black workers in the county are homeowners, more than 25% higher than the rate for black Americans as a whole.
Most people think of the black middle class as being primarily a product of business ownership and perhaps attainment of other types of professional occupations.
I don't think that.
No, I don't think that either.
No, no, no.
But they don't think about the role of the federal government as a potential employer, Duke University economist William Darity said.
William Darity, yes, he's a black guy.
He just loves the whole idea of...
Reparations.
That's all he thinks about.
I think he just goes to bed thinking about them, wakes up late thinking about them, licks his chops.
It's day and night.
Reparations.
That's the true way to a black middle class.
That's right.
A super much less.
Federal employment has been a gateway into the middle class for black workers without college degrees who earn median incomes more than $30,000 higher than other black non college educated workers.
The banners analysis found.
I didn't know that either.
Let's see if we can find some other good lines real quick.
This is actually kind of funny.
Janine Horn estimates that 75% of the clients she sees at her health and wellness studio near Waldorf are federal workers.
During recent meditation, yoga, and reiki sessions, assuming that's some sort of eastern...
Yeah, it sounds Japanese.
Sounds like some sort of breathing, breathing or something.
Reiki, okay?
Maybe it's Pilates for African Americans.
I don't know.
It might be, since African Americans are so overworked.
I guess that's the only way that they can...
Yeah, exactly.
The workers have discussed their fears.
Some who still have jobs dread checking their email and showing up to workplaces wrought with disgruntlement and fear.
Others laid off after decades in the government are wondering how to start over.
Warren herself has experienced anxious days less than a year after she was in the office.
she opened a physical location of Zenwell Studio.
Her business has experienced a sharp downturn.
Quote, my clients are scaling back.
And that was a source of worry for me.
In recent weeks, however, her business has rebounded good.
I guess the Reiki sessions are working somehow.
But anyways, 20 businesses, according to the Charles County
County Economic Business Development Department have reported being affected by federal policy changes.
Besides losing customers, entrepreneurs said they've experienced delays, cancellations, or changes to government contracts that support their businesses.
Businesses are also facing an uncertain future in Prince George's County, where 28 government installations and over 70,000 federal workers fuel the fifth largest economy in the state.
A family linen store in Oxen Hill announced it would close this month after federal layoffs contributed to a steep drop in customers in its worst sales month in 37 years.
Basically, you have to look at the federal government as the Mississippi River for the black middle class and all the tributaries that run down and run off that river, create that artificial middle class.
And once that river is diverted or dries up, goodness gracious, it all goes.
The traditional explanation is that the government is a fair-minded employer.
The government did not discriminate.
And so all of these extremely capable, motivated black people who faced vicious racist barriers in the private sector ended up working with the government.
You know that's true.
And that is why when the government is cut, these are the only jobs that were available to them because of racism and white wickedness.
And so we're supposed to shed many, many tears as to what's going on.
Now, for those of you who are not in the Washington, D.C. area, I will explain to you where Charles County and Prince George's County are.
Prince George's County borders Washington, D.C., and it is directly to the west of it.
Washington, D.C. is this diamond-shaped thing, at least most of it is.
And so it's the diamond that is sort of the northwest part of it.
And if you were to carve out, then there is...
Oh, Anacostia, which was the former part of the diamond.
In any case, it is to the north and the west, the south.
And then Charles County butts up to Prince George's County that continues further south, and it is bordered by the Potomac River.
So we're talking about these are D.C. suburbs.
And like you, Mr. Kersey, I didn't realize that Charles County, which is further from Washington than Prince George's County, that would be a considerably long...
But that's majority black, and I guess its wealth is heavily fueled by the federal government.
Yeah, it's funny, Mr. Taylor, one of the aspects of this article that is left on the cutting room floor, I'm sure the Baltimore Banner writers wanted to add this.
I would love to see what the crime stats for Charles and Prince George's County are.
Well, PG County, pretty high.
Pretty high.
Lots of shootings going on there.
Well, Mr. Curzio, golly, we're running out of time.
As, alas, we always do.
I really did want to talk about the AFD, the alternative for Deutschland.
It has hit a historic mark, and it's now the most popular party in Germany, according to the pollsters, at 26%.
And that is multi-partyism for you, when the top party gets 26%.
The poll shows the Christian Democrat Union, the CDU, is in second place with 25%.
If the vote were held today, the two parties that are set to enter government, the Social Democrats and the Christian Democrats, wouldn't have enough votes to form a government.
They wouldn't have 50%.
The SPD is at 15%, giving the two parties a combined total of just 40. The poll shows that support for the Greens has dropped a point to 11%, and the left party has dropped a point to 9%.
It is the alternative for Deutschland that is gaining.
With the center-right Christian Democrats, the party of Helmut Kohl and Angela Merkel, it for decades steadfastly refused to cooperate or to do deals with what they called the extreme right.
Some AFD lawmakers have already built ties with members of the other parties behind closed doors and have received signals of support from the Christian Democrats.
So, even if you are considered pariahs, if enough of the voters back you, then they have no choice but to deal with you.
There is a CDU, Christian Democrat heavyweight, by the name of Jens Spahn, a former health minister.
He told the media that the AFD should be treated in parliamentary procedures and processes like any other opposition party.
Good for him.
Very good.
He said yes.
He said its MPs are sitting there in such strength because voters wanted to tell us something.
Well, astonishing!
This kind of startling good sense from somebody in government just really makes you prick up your ears.
We should take those voters seriously, he says.
The CDU's strategy seems to have shifted towards giving the far-right responsibilities and airtime in the hope that people will find it distasteful.
Well, give up on that, fellas.
The idea is give them responsibility, put them on TV, and people say, oh, these people have horns and cloven hooves and sharp tail and breathe fire.
But Philip Amthor, a CDU lawmaker, says there is a legitimate point that this lot should be pushed back not through procedural tricks, which is exactly what they've done, but through passionate, substantive debate.
Well, good.
Now, this news comes at a time the left has been considering voting a ban on AFD.
This is the sort of despicable thing that these Europeans get up to.
You get a party that reflects the will of the people, and then they come up with some reason to absolutely outlaw the party.
The worst example of this was, of course, the Blomsbelang in Belgium.
It was disintegrated, just blown right out of the water.
And illegalized, but it reconstituted as the Vlaams, no, I'm sorry, it was the Vlaams block, and it is reconstituted as the Vlaams belong.
In any case, the idea of taking a party that's the second, that is the most popular according to the votes, and trying to turn it illegal.
Now, there is a procedure in Britain for doing this, and they may actually try.
But goodness gracious, we have only a minute or two left.
Oh, let us not ignore.
Claudia Sheinbaum.
Claudia Sheinbaum.
She is the president of Mexico.
And she said on Monday that her government had asked television stations to pull an advertisement by President Trump's administration warning against illegal immigrants.
Have you seen this?
This is Kristi Noem looking at the camera.
She's all dolled up.
She's an Instagram model, Mr. Taylor, with some hair extensions.
I don't know.
She's got her highly polished fingernails and her razzle-dazzle earrings, and she's saying, look, all you illegals out there, don't you dare cross the border, and if you come in and we catch you, we're going to send you home.
Boy, I think a lot of those illegals are going to fall in love with Christy Noem, but they should have Bob Holman doing those ads.
They should have Chris Kobach doing those ads or Matt Gaetz.
Somebody who is tough looking but all dolled up Christy Noem.
In any case...
They should have you doing those ads, Mr. Taylor.
I beg your pardon?
They should have you doing those ads.
Well, I could look mighty fierce.
Fiercer than she does.
Well, Claudia...
She says Mexico's government had written to television channels urging them to stop showing those messages which had been broadcast during primetime programs such as Major League Football.
I guess that's tax money being spent.
And now that's tax money I'm probably willing to spend.
On the other hand, if the wall is good enough, you don't have to advertise.
They'll get the message.
Just keep them out.
And the word will trickle down quicker than we required doing buying ads on TV in Mexico for heaven's sake.
Claudia, Ms. President Scheinbaum said that the ad contains a discriminatory message that violates human dignity.
What the heck?
It says if you're illegal, don't come.
And if you're illegal, we'll find you and we'll kick you out.
She says it encourages violence against people on the move.
Well, I guess Claudia wants her people on the move.
And they must not be molested as they head their way north and trying to break into our country.
And, alas, we are out of time.
So, ladies and gentlemen.
It is always a pleasure and honor.
And we love spending this time with you.
And I'm sure I speak for Mr. Kersey when I say we look forward to doing the same next week.
Thank you.
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