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Oct. 22, 2020 - Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor
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An Identitarian Party for Holland
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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to this special edition of Radio Renaissance.
I'm Jared Taylor with American Renaissance, and with me is a special guest, Geza Hegedus.
He is the founder of a new Dutch political party by the name of Identitarian Nederlands, known by its initials as IDNL.
Mr. Hegedus, He is of Protestant Hungarian origin.
He served as a decorated soldier in the Dutch Army.
He is a student of culture, law, and a lover of the arts.
He founded a think tank to promote his identitarian ideas, and now he has a slate of candidates prepared for the next elections.
Welcome, Mr. Hegedus.
I'm so glad that you can join me.
Thank you very much, Mr. Taylor.
I'm honored to be on your podcast today.
First of all, of course, I'd like to know about your new political party.
Tell me what its aims are and how it might differ from some of the nationalist parties that already exist in the Netherlands.
Well, I first will describe IDNL itself.
Our roots and influences are in ethnonationalism, the European new right, and traditionalism.
And the other so-called nationalist parties like the PVV and Forum for Democracy of Thierry Baudet.
They are at best civic nationalist parties.
PVV of course of Geert Wilders.
He is, yeah, pretty much only busy with Islam.
Which he sees as a big enemy against the liberal state.
So both of them are liberals.
And we are anti-liberal.
So the IDNL is anti-liberal.
So, you describe both the Forum for Democracy of Thierry Baudet and the Freedom Party of Geert Wilders as liberals.
They are not explicitly ethno-nationalist.
Is that your primary objection to those two parties?
Absolutely.
So, they are supporters of liberalism, the liberal state.
Of course, both of them support the nation state.
They are anti-EU.
But everybody can come into the country, so everybody is welcome.
Like Thierry Baudet, for example, he said, well, I think it's beautiful when a Pakistani can come to Holland and become a Dutchman.
Well, that says enough.
And so they are openly against ethno-nationalism.
Well, clearly.
Our listeners and I and many Americans hope very much that the Netherlands can stay Dutch.
It's vitally important that you maintain your ethnic, national and racial identity.
But where has this anti-nationalism, this inclination to throw open the borders of the Netherlands to the rest of the world, where does that come from in the Netherlands?
Well, it started after the Second World War.
And by the implementation of the liberal democracy and slowly in the 50s, they started to change the immigration laws.
And in Holland, for example, it was that 10 million people were the upper limit of inhabitants for the country.
And so they actively send away people to the United States, Australia, New Zealand, the young Dutch people, ethnic Dutch people.
And then they did this at the end of the 50s.
And then in the beginning of the 60s, they started to import people from Morocco and Turkey.
So that was a little strange.
Well, excuse me.
In other words, up through the 1950s, Dutch people were still emigrating outside of Europe into the rest of the world?
Yes.
It was a deliberate plan to keep the population below 10 million people.
That's what they said.
But after those young people left the country to the so-called immigration countries, They started to import workers from the third world.
So.
How did they select Morocco?
You said Morocco and the other country was Tunisia, did you say?
Turkey.
Morocco and Turkey.
Yes.
How did they choose?
I mean, I understand Turkey has been sending people to Europe for a long time, but Moroccans, it would seem to me that they would have a natural tendency to go to France because France was the original colonizing power and they're likely to speak French.
Why were Moroccans encouraged to come to the Netherlands?
Because there were a lot of people available in that time in Morocco who wanted to come to the Netherlands and most of them were the so-called Berbers.
So not the Arab Moroccans but the Berber Moroccans from the little villages.
Yes.
What is now the non-white percentage, non-European percentage of the population of the Netherlands today?
Well, that is a very tricky thing at the moment, because what they did is they outlawed that people are registered at the city halls in Holland, what their ethnic background is originally.
So a lot of second, third, fourth generation migrants are registered as ethnic Dutch people.
Let's put it that way.
So, but if I look at the numbers, it will be the ethnic Dutch people will be between 70, 75%, I think.
I see.
So, there could be as many as 25 to 30 percent non-European population in the Netherlands today.
I would assume that as late as, say, the 1950s, the population was overwhelmingly European.
Exactly.
It was 99.9 percent.
There was only a very small group of people from the former colony of Indonesia, the Dutch Indies.
So, what is now Indonesia.
But that was a very small percentage.
Now, I understand that you live in Rotterdam.
Rotterdam is the major city in the Netherlands with the largest non-white population, is it not?
It's together with Amsterdam.
It's the largest part, absolutely.
And in Rotterdam, it's more than 50% already.
More than 50%?
Yeah, more than 50% in just 30 years.
Well, surely Dutch people must have reacted very negatively.
They don't care for that kind of displacement.
In just 30 years to have gone to a majority non-white.
Ordinary Dutchmen must hate this.
Well, you know, people are still politically correct.
So, they will not speak out openly.
It's only a small percentage of people who speak out.
And those who speak out, they will be, well, punished in all kinds of ways to discourage you to speak out.
So, what you see is, it's more than 50%, but if you look at the elementary schools, for example, you see just maybe one or two ethnic Dutch children in a whole class.
So, it's even worse.
In other words, when people, when the population changes like that, many Dutchmen just move out.
They take their families and move away.
It's exactly the same situation in the United States and practically everywhere in Western Europe and in the English-speaking world.
People don't dare speak out in the name of their own nation and their own culture.
They just run away.
So, I'm very glad I think that IDNL is going to be speaking out publicly on these matters.
So you do have classes in which there maybe just would be one or two ethnic Dutch children.
That must be so lonely and horrible for them.
I tell you honestly, I have a beautiful big dog and I walk around with the dog and then I see those classes.
I really almost, I cry inside when I see it.
I feel so, so sorry for the children and on the other side it makes me very, very angry against the elite that did this to us.
Yes, we see exactly the same thing here in the United States.
Well, tell me about when will be the next elections when IDNL will be presenting candidates?
March 2021.
So that's pretty soon.
And so we, well, we accept that that expect sorry, that we will maybe one to two seats.
And because yeah, it's there is a complete silencing from the media for organizations like IDNL.
So they don't talk about you.
No, so this will be in the National Parliament, correct?
Exactly, this is the National Parliament, yes.
So I gather you have a list system and you are at the head of the list and then there are others who are further down.
Is it proportional representation?
I don't know what that exactly means.
In other words, the more votes you get in the elections, the more candidates will succeed and be sent to the National Parliament.
Exactly, yeah.
That's the system, yes.
So, what percentage of the vote will you have to get in order to have even one person in government?
Yeah, that is...
A few hundred thousand voters who have to vote for you.
I see.
I see.
All right.
And mostly it's between 50 and 60 percent of the people who vote in Holland at national elections.
So.
And it's 70 million.
Yeah.
So not 70 million voters, of course, because it's 70 million people in the country.
I don't know exactly how many voters there are in Holland, to be honest.
So, how are you able to get your message out?
I am not at all surprised that the media is trying very hard to completely ignore you.
So, how are you getting your message out?
How are you approaching and influencing voters?
Well, what we do is mostly through internet, social media, Uh, so we, uh, the Twitter, Facebook, uh, VK, uh, uh, all kinds of platforms.
Uh, uh, we, we, yeah, we try to get our message across and to reach as many Dutch people as possible, because what we saw is that a lot of people support our views.
Only the problem is that they don't know we exist.
And what I told you, the media is very silent about us.
Or they will frame you as Nazi and, well, you know all the terms they use.
Yes.
Well, so far, have you had no difficulty in being deplatformed?
That is to say, your Twitter account being destroyed or Facebook banning you?
No.
So far, you've not had that problem?
No, no.
I was talking yesterday with someone inside of EDNL and I said it's amazing that we are still not de-platformed.
Well, let's keep our fingers crossed.
I hope this doesn't happen to you.
That has been, of course, one of the primary ways that the establishment has combated our ideas, is they've left it up to these private companies that have the right to eliminate you if they don't like what you say.
And I would think that it is particularly infuriating for people who are not Americans to be dependent on an American company or a serious set of American companies to get your message out.
It must be maddening when people who live in California decide that they are not going to allow you to say what you'd like to say to the people of your own country.
Yeah, exactly.
And they work together, of course, with the political elite in Europe, like Merkel, from Germany and all kinds of people in power. So it's,
yeah, it's very frustrating that people with certain views silence us.
Yes.
Now, do you have a kind of a so-called anti-fascist movement in the Netherlands?
People who, if you have a meeting, they'd come and try to break up the meeting.
What is the far left like in the Netherlands?
In comparison to Germany, for example, the far left is pretty They are not so violent, not anymore.
They were violent in the past, but they are not violent that much anymore.
But they still try to demonize you.
So what they on on on also Internet and they have, for example, they have a special Internet site.
It's called Kafka.
And so they place all kinds of articles about Organizations like IDNL, like personal pages, for example, like me.
I'm there.
You are there too, by the way.
And so when you visited Holland, they made an article and they were talking about you.
And so, yeah.
But have you had any actual public meetings so far?
Or have you restricted your meetings?
Oh, you have.
And were they, they were not disrupted?
No, no.
Of course, we keep it secret.
So we have to, to avoid these kind of things, hostilities.
And but we had a few meetings last year and also in the beginning of this year.
But then, of course, the corona madness struck the country.
So then it was not possible anymore.
I see, yes, yes.
Well, let us hope that by March, things will have loosened up a little bit and that you will be able to get your message out in a more successful way.
Yeah, we hope so too, yeah.
Now, I understand that even in the Netherlands, there has been a certain amount of sympathetic demonstration for Black Lives Matter.
Can you tell me about that?
Yes, of course the corona situation was going on already and demonstrations were almost outlawed or discouraged and only not for Black Lives Matter.
So they could have a big demonstration in Amsterdam, the capital city of the Netherlands, And they could do whatever they wanted.
And also, they got a platform on news shows.
They even were invited to the prime minister to talk with him privately.
So, yeah, this is what is going on.
And they are criticizing, of course, Dutch culture and the white indigenous people of Holland.
So the leaders of the Black Lives Matter movement in the Netherlands were invited to a private meeting with the Prime Minister?
Yes, exactly.
It's almost insane.
For me, it's treason.
But okay, that is what is really going on.
For example, last week something came to the surface.
A private chat between the mayor of Amsterdam And one of the most fanatic activists, black activists against whites and Dutch culture.
And they were encouraging each other and supporting each other in the private chat.
So you can imagine what we are dealing with here.
Well, tell me a little bit about the mayor of Amsterdam.
I have no idea who that person is.
Is it a man or a woman?
What's this person's background?
It's a woman.
She was the leader of the Green Party.
And the Green Party has its roots in communism.
So it was a real, from the origin, it was a real communist party.
Yeah, ultra left.
Well, I was struck by the figure of the population that you mentioned.
You said, how many million Dutch people are there?
The population is 17 million.
17 million, yes.
But up in the 1950s, they wanted to keep the population at 10 million and no higher.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Well, the last time I was in Amsterdam, this was a few years ago, maybe three years ago, two years ago, I was shocked by how crowded the city was.
I was there in 1970 and found it very enjoyable.
I still like Amsterdam very much, the architecture and the canals.
But it seemed to me that when I was in the downtown area, the place was just packed like sardines.
And it wasn't just non-Europeans.
There must be an enormous number of tourists from all around the world, too.
You could hardly move around.
It seemed so packed.
Yeah, that is also a complaint.
So next to the immigration problem.
Amsterdam, places like Amsterdam, became like Disney World.
So the original population really is very negative about this, because they experience what you experience, that the city is completely packed.
Yes, I would be walking by these beautiful old houses.
They must be centuries old.
And you look inside and you see them all tastefully decorated.
And you can imagine that quite upper class people live there.
But as soon as they go out their door, they're just shoulder to shoulder with people, just jam-packed.
It must be quite, quite irritating for them.
And also, if you are a serious Green Party leader, It seems to me that the obvious thing to do is to cut down on this kind of human pollution and the best way to do that is to stop immigration.
But I assume that is an argument that your Green Party mayor would reject completely out of hand.
Oh, she is working very hard to get more immigrants into the country.
No, it's quite astonishing, the attitudes that they have.
Well, I assume that when there were Black Lives Matter demonstrations, that no one in the major media in the Netherlands talked about How the United States has remarkable racial differences in crime rates, for example.
Because here, even in the United States, the major media take it for granted that the police are racist.
And that is why Black people are so frequently coming into unpleasant contact with the police.
It's these wild cowboy policemen who hate black people who are tracking them down and murdering them.
I assume that was the general tenor of the news as reported in the Netherlands as well.
Oh, absolutely.
That was exactly what was reported.
But they are ideological brothers and sisters of the American media.
Uh, so it's, uh, but, but you know, what, what, what, what happened is, uh, that it happened to Holland too.
I, I have statistics that you see, uh, the, the, the, the start of the immigration in the 1960s.
And, uh, you see, uh, the line goes up and then, uh, also the line of crimes, heavy crimes goes up as well.
And it's really astonishing if you see those statistics.
Well, are those statistics generally available?
Because I know that in many European countries it's very, very difficult to get any count, any crime statistics broken out by nationality or ethnicity or race.
Well, I tell you that a reporter made the mistake to write an article about this a few years ago.
And he used these official statistics in that article.
And that article now is removed from the sides of the newspaper.
My goodness.
So, by the way, what newspaper was this?
This was a major... Yeah, it was a major newspaper.
I don't recall exactly what... Then I had to search in my archive.
It was a major newspaper and I also have the original copies of it.
But now they've taken that down from their internet archive.
Exactly, yeah.
Well, it does not surprise me that the nature of crime, the ethnic nature of crime, is not widely known in the Netherlands because here in the United States, although we have quite accurate statistics about the racial composition of prisoners, for example, and we also know The race of convicted murderers or rapists, we have all that information.
It's publicly available.
But even so, very, very few people know about them.
Because it is only dissidents who actually look into this material and publish it.
So that if you were to ask the Americans who are demonstrating for Black Lives Matter and they tell you how racist the police are, if you were to ask them, well, okay, how many?
Unarmed black men were killed by the police last year.
They have no idea.
This information is available, but they don't know.
And if you try to explain to them, they don't want to know.
They'd rather not know.
That's the point.
They don't want to know.
And that's also in Holland.
You see when they write, for example, we have a huge crime wave of North African and African youth, as they call it.
And so they don't, they don't, they always call them youth.
Well, everybody in Holland knows when there's youth, you know, those are North Africans or black Africans.
One of the two.
Which, well, where do black Africans come from when they come to live in the Netherlands?
What are the countries that supply you with black Africans?
Well, of course, we have the historical group of the Dutch colonies of Suriname and the Dutch Antilles.
So a part of the black population comes from those countries.
And then mostly, when people, Kenya and Gambia.
I see, Kenya and Gambia.
That's an interesting selection.
One is East Africa, one is West Africa.
I suppose the way it happens is just a few people get themselves installed and then they let the word out and all their friends come.
Exactly.
Yeah, that's how it works.
And of course, we have a large group of Somalis.
Yes, everyone seems to get their share of Somalis because no one wants to live in Somalia.
No, and yeah, well, that is also a very negative development.
But okay.
Yes.
What are...
I guess it's very difficult for you to find, say, violent crime statistics broken out by immigrants or Africans or North Africans.
These numbers are very hard to find.
Do they even exist?
Does the government have these statistics?
Or do they deliberately not collect them?
They deliberately not collect them.
So they hide it.
And that's what they are doing for years already.
And a few years ago, they also started with what I told you too, that it's not allowed to put in the registers of the city halls, the background, the ethnic or The country of origin of people.
Yes, yes.
Well, tell me a little bit more about your political platform.
You said that you are ethno-nationalist but also traditionalist.
I understand very entirely and sympathize 100% with your desire that Holland should remain for the Dutch people.
What are some of the other aspects, other planks of your political platform?
Well, of course, ethnonationalism in the European meaning, that is of course, yeah, it's specifically for the Dutch people, so the ethnic Dutch people, and of course we see Europe as one Of white people.
And we have to support each other, but we are fighting in the first place for the ethnic Dutch people.
So in that sense, it means ethnonationalism.
And traditionalism is that we see society after the Enlightenment and everything that came out of this as the biggest mistake that happened.
We want to not go back exactly in time, but we want to take good aspects of the past and implement them in modern life.
Can you elaborate a little further on that?
Are you an explicitly Christian party?
No, no, no.
Me personally, I'm a Christian, but the other founders are not Christians, for example.
So we made a choice that we keep religion out of it only.
Christianity is the dominant religion that we accept as an historical fact.
So not Islam or what they call Judeo Christianity.
We are talking about Christianity.
Yes, I understand.
And I think it's very important to recognize the central cultural aspect of Christianity, that it is a mistake to make Christianity some kind of explicit criterion of what is important to me and for Identitarians in the United States.
The basic question is, do you realize that you are a white man and that we have interests in common?
That's the central question.
Yes, absolutely.
And the only thing that we reject is the extreme hostility that you see a lot in nationalistic circles against Christianity.
So we think we have a beautiful heritage from Christianity.
And it's part of our history.
It's a part of our culture.
Only we agree with you that it cannot be the dominant team in a movement or party.
It's about our survival, and me personally, I always tell people, because of course they say, Geza, you're a nationalist, but you're also a Christian.
And I said, that's correct.
I said, but the Christianity that you reject, I reject it also.
It's the liberal form of Christianity.
It's not Christianity like our ancestors professed centuries ago.
So, There's a difference there too.
But of course, that's another discussion.
But yeah, for us, it's first, it's ethnicity.
It's that the white Europeans will stay the majority in Europe.
And at this moment, it looks like it goes in another direction.
And we try to do something politically, but if this will not work, we know where it goes to.
Yes, it is astonishing that all around the world, where you have white countries, except for a few exceptions in Eastern Europe, and perhaps we can talk about them later on, those who wish to preserve Their culture, their heritage, their ethnicity, their race.
We are considered enemies of the country.
Exactly.
And it is those who wish to replace all these things, to have us eventually disappear, become a minority and then disappear.
These are somehow the heroes of Western civilization now.
No, it's just an incredible, astonishing thing.
It's been something that I've been wondering about for the last 30 years or more.
Why it is that practically throughout the white world, we have been infected by this ultimately suicidal poison.
But it does seem to be the case, practically everywhere you go, certainly in Western Europe, there are a few signs of light, maybe a little bit in Switzerland or Austria, a few political parties here and there, but for the most part, the dominant institutions, whether it's church or government, media, universities, they're all Just hell-bent on this suicidal notion of altruism and replacement.
It's an incredible thing.
It's true.
And, you know, you also call the church, and that's true, that the church became one of the biggest enemies.
And I'm talking about the modern liberal church.
It became really an enemy of the white people.
And that's very clear.
And what you see is the elite really believes that it's a good thing to get rid of the white people.
Yeah, it sounds almost crazy when you say it, but it's a fact.
And you see it in Holland too.
See, I'm not convinced that the elite whites really want to get rid of white people.
I think that they are convinced somehow that they're being very, very virtuous when they let these people utterly unlike themselves into their countries.
They are sharing Holland with all of these people.
I think if you ask them, even if they were utterly candid, do you really want white people to disappear?
I don't think that's their desire, but perhaps I'm mistaken.
I've never had a heart-to-heart conversation with Angela Merkel, for example.
I don't know what she thinks.
What does she really think about German people?
Does she hate Germans?
I don't think she does, but she acts as if she did.
Her policies are destroying Germany, its culture, its heritage, and its people, but I believe that she does it For what she thinks are generous and altruistic reasons, not out of a kind of viciousness against her own people, but she might as well have a viciousness, just like the people who are running all the Western European countries, because the effects of their policies are ones that would have been cooked up by people who genuinely hate their own people.
Well, we cannot deny what is going on and they cannot deny what is going on.
The only difference between them and us is that we believe that there are ethnicities, there are races.
That is the big difference.
They say there is one race and that's the human race.
And so it's not a problem.
You can come to Europe and you become a European.
And what they mean by European is not the historical European, but that is a new liberal left kind of European person.
Yes, yes, and yet even the most determined liberals must be able to see what has become of these foreigners from the third world that they do not behave like Europeans.
This is so obvious, this is so obvious.
Yeah, but they deny it.
They deny it openly.
I have sometimes a discussion with a professor of sociology And he is really pro-immigration.
And if you see how those people really think and what they write, you cannot believe that these people are so blind for reality.
They are completely blind for reality.
Yes, as we were talking about just previously, they deliberately close their eyes to the facts.
Exactly.
That's what they do.
Yes, yes.
And one of course, one of the very important aspects of racial differences is racial differences in intelligence, average IQ.
This is something that it's impossible to discuss publicly in the United States.
And that, of course, is one of the reasons why whenever blacks or Hispanics in the US fail in some way
or not as successful as whites, it's impossible to say, well, wait a minute.
A group that has an average IQ of 85, you cannot expect them to perform at the same level
as groups with average IQs of 100 or 105.
And this is, of course, something that's impossible to talk about in Europe as well.
This fundamental question.
And therefore, when you are unable to explain, well, wait a minute, this is because of group differences, then if you are not allowed to use that explanation, then the only reason why they fail is because wicked Dutchman or wicked Americans or wicked Germans have been oppressing and discriminating against these people.
It's a kind of a self-imposed Folly.
It's a self-imposed blindness to the facts that continues to mystify me.
Yeah, it's so extreme that, of course, I know it's a fact that it's so extreme, but sometimes when I sit down and I think about it and I really think, did I end up in a nightmare?
Is this real?
Because it's so extreme that you cannot imagine that Pretty intelligent people can can come to those conclusions.
And you said about intelligence.
It was in Germany that one of and it was a left wing professor.
Can you imagine?
And he wrote a book about that.
The intelligence went down in Germany because of immigration.
And he was attacked in a way you cannot imagine.
Well, you can imagine, of course.
But he spoke out as a left person.
That was very special.
He was not a nationalist.
He was not of the right.
He was really a convinced left-wing person.
A few of them have their eyes open, but for the most part, it's as you say, it's a kind of nightmare.
It is 50 or 60 years ago, it would have been impossible to imagine this mentality that has swept the West.
And thank goodness it does not dominate every European country.
Now you have origins in Hungary.
Yes.
Can you tell me why do you think it is that the Hungarians and some of the other Eastern Europeans Well, first of all, for many people it's strange that communism protected them for this madness.
And because it sealed them off, in a way, and it preserved, in a way, their ethnic and cultural identity, And of course, communism did a lot of damage.
We all know this.
But that part was preserved by communism.
And so I think that is one of the reasons.
In the case of Hungary, Hungary, as you know, had many, many wars to survive in that part of Europe, in the middle of Europe.
And so that that also plays a part in the Hungarian spirit to preserve their own identity, because they had to fight for it so hard till very recent.
So, yeah, I think that while the same is for the Polish, of course, it's the same.
I think that's the same reason.
Well, it is ironic that during the Cold War, we used to feel sorry for these people on the other side of the Iron Curtain.
But they are the ones, they are the ones who have preserved their civilization in the most authentic way.
I know of a number of racially conscious Americans who have decided to go live in Hungary, for example.
Yeah, in Budapest.
And a few have gone to Poland because they can breathe free in a nation that continues to have a sense of being European, and deliberately so.
Well, what you see, we talked about the crime rates.
The crime rates in Eastern Europe and Middle Europe, and I'm talking about Hungary, It's very low.
It's so low like it was in the 60s in Holland, for example.
Well, that's right.
Well, that's the way white people behave.
And I was fortunate to participate in National Day celebrations in Estonia and Lithuania.
And they have torchlight parades.
It's very inspiring to be surrounded by so many people who love their country.
Old people, young people, men, women, children, all marching together Singing patriotic songs and carrying torches.
It's a wonderful, wonderful thing.
And they have governments that are explicit about maintaining their ethnicity and their culture.
It's a very inspiring thing.
And perhaps someday we can rekindle that kind of sentiment among Western Europeans as well.
I'm sure that's very much your intention in your political efforts.
Absolutely.
And what you said, what you see in Hungary, of course, people are really aware of their ethnic and cultural identity, only they are not aware Not really aware what is going on in Western Europe.
They cannot imagine what is going on, really.
So, because they live in a country that still looks the same like Western Europe in the 1950s, almost.
So, they cannot imagine, if they never travel to Western Europe, that Western Europe is in that state at the moment.
Well, you know, when I was in Lithuania, I was in a hotel room, and you could watch BBC television.
And BBC television, it did have, oh, for example, they have a fellow who covers homosexual news.
And this black guy who's a homosexual, he comes on and he talks about all the wonderful things that homosexuals are doing all throughout Britain and Western Europe, and also they have a very kind of multi-culti approach to things, and so I think people have some idea that things are different in the West, but at the same time, they have this image of Western Europe as being so much richer, and in many respects it still is.
So, there is, I think, a temptation to think that the West is great and many Eastern Europeans are emigrating to Western Europe because they can make more money.
That is a big problem at this moment.
For example, in Hungary, more than 500,000 young people left the country.
And that is too much for a population of 10 million.
Is there any sign that they will come back after they have made some money?
Do they come back or do they pretty much stay in Western Europe?
Some of them, they come back.
They make money, they buy a nice house in Hungary and they come back.
But yeah, a large group stays in Western Europe and that is of course very, very bad for Hungary.
And the continuation of the Hungarian people, and it's even worse in Bulgaria.
You know, there's a population of, I believe, five million people, something like this, and one million young people left the country.
One million.
People cannot survive, or nations cannot survive with these numbers.
No, and that leads to a kind of temptation to think, well, okay, we have no more Bulgarians, so I suppose in order to keep our economy going, we will let Turks and Moroccans in.
It's a terrible decision to make, but it becomes at least somewhat more tempting under those circumstances.
But as I understand it, Bulgaria is a country where very few third world people want to go live.
Well, it's one of the poorest countries next to Albania.
It's one of the poorest countries in Europe.
And, for example, you said, well, then it's tempting to import other people.
What you see, for example, in Poland, more than a million people from the Ukraine are imported because the Polish people are working in Western Europe.
The same is happening now in Hungary, that they are importing people from the Ukraine and from Serbia.
And Romania.
So that is also a very bad development in this case.
At least they're Europeans.
They are Europeans, but you know how we Europeans think about ethnicity.
We want to keep our country Dutch or Hungarian.
So we don't want to end up in a country where Yeah, where we have some kind of multicultural white society.
Yes, yes.
No, I'm entirely sympathetic.
Europe must be a Europe of nations.
It must be European.
It must have nations and even regions within nations.
A country like France, for example, has so many beautiful differences region to region.
And I'm sure the same is true with the Netherlands.
I'm much less familiar with the Netherlands than with France.
All of these things are beautiful and must be preserved.
Exactly.
And that is where IDNL stands for.
So the preservation of that real diversity, not only in Holland, because the diversity in Holland is Pretty big.
You think it's a small country, but there are big differences.
For example, the part where I come from, what they call Holland, and for example, the northern provinces, it's a big difference in culture and even in language in a way.
But also in Europe, we want to preserve that real Diversity.
That you go to Germany and you meet Germans.
And when you go to France, you meet French people.
And in all those different areas that you described, that you meet all those different indigenous cultures.
And that's what we want to preserve.
Yes, yes.
This is vitally, vitally important and I am so glad that IDNL is standing up explicitly for this important preservation.
All of the lefties talk about diversity, but their diversity is really destroying diversity.
Exactly.
They don't seem to understand that.
And yet, if you were to say to them, all right, if what's happening in the United States or in Holland, should that be happening to Turkey as well?
Should the Turks be filling up with the Somalis and Moroccans and Indonesians?
Is that a good thing for Turkey?
They would probably not say so.
It's only European countries that must be sacrificed for their utterly phony and utterly destructive notion of diversity.
Absolutely.
And I always ask them, I say, what do you think about Tibet?
That the Chinese, the Han Chinese are importing their own people by the thousands.
And then they say, yeah, that's a bad thing.
I said, but why is it not a bad thing?
What is happening to Europe?
What is happening to the United States?
What is happening to Australia, to New Zealand?
Why is that not a problem?
And then suddenly it's not a problem and they cannot explain it because you never get an explanation from them.
No.
Never.
No.
No.
It's as if, as you say, these Ordinarily, otherwise, intelligent people, it's as if their minds are completely hobbled and go limp when it comes to this one question, which is the most important question of all, the survival of their people.
That's where they have this enormous dangerous blind spot.
Yeah, it's unbelievable.
It's, yeah, it's for me, it's what this ideology did to these people that is, it's So damaging, but it's also damaging for all of us, because we are now in a situation that is ending up in an ethnic war, because that's where it goes to.
If we see that they now, I don't know if you heard about this in the United States, but about the new immigration pact that they want, the second one, the Marrakesh 2, they want to implement.
And they want to get millions of Africans to Europe.
And if you see in the parliament in Holland, the majority of the mainstream parties, they all voted in favor of it.
All of them.
Yes, it's just incredible.
It's your work, it's our work, it's the work of all nationalists.
Throughout this World Brotherhood of Europeans to save our people from this form of astonishing suicide.
And working together.
Yeah.
Yes, very much so.
Well, we're coming to the end of our time here.
Is there anything in particular or anything additional that you would like to speak to what are mostly European listeners?
We have listeners from all around the world, but I'm sorry, mostly American listeners.
Is there anything in particular that you would like to say to an American audience?
Well, of course, I know a little about the American situation.
And what I want to say is that it seems like our situation is different sometimes.
But we ended up in the same situation in Europe as in the United States.
And even now, in one of the biggest newspapers, there was an article that the Nation of Islam of the United States, the Black Nation of Islam, opened a Dutch branch recently.
Is that so?
Yeah, that's so.
That is, it was in the biggest, one of the biggest newspapers, the Telegraaf.
They wrote a whole article about it.
and even the Dutch Secret Service, they are watching them.
For heaven's sake, I would think that the Nation of Islam, the American black Muslims,
what on earth do they plan to achieve with an office in the Netherlands?
they are.
Uh, uh.
They are... How do you call that?
I cannot find a word for a moment.
Well, they are...
Recruiting the black people in the Netherlands at this moment.
And even political parties, so the Turkish political party DENK, is supporting them openly.
I see, because they are Muslims or there's some sort of, they're a queer brand of Muslim, you know, but, uh, good grief.
Well, this is another example of the poisonous influence of the United States.
So we are in the same battle together.
And that's what I want to say to the Americans too.
We are in the same battle and we have to work together.
Otherwise we will not survive this.
Yes.
Well, thank you very much for taking the time to be on this podcast and I wish you great success in the elections and I hope that you will go from triumph to triumph.
Thank you very much and I wish you all the best with your work too.
You're really one of the heroes.
Oh, well, you're being too kind.
Thank you very much.
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