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May 25, 2018 - Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor
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A Black Woman Governor for Georgia?
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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to today's edition of Radio Renaissance.
This is Jared Taylor, and with me is our regular guest, stalwart collaborator, Paul Kersey.
And the big news that I think we're going to discuss today is the breakthrough of Stacey Abrams, The woman, the black woman, who is poised perhaps to become the first black woman ever elected to the governorship of a state and certainly the first black woman or black of any kind that would be a governor since Reconstruction in the Deep South.
As some of our historically minded Listeners may know Doug Wilder was elected governor of Virginia in 1989.
He served for a very undistinguished term, but he is more or less forgotten.
But this would be a really remarkable breakthrough.
Just to give our listeners a little bit of a background about Stacey Abrams, She was the former minority leader of the state house and she was in the house since 2007.
So she's not a complete political neophyte the way you could characterize Barack Obama.
And in the general election, she will face either a Lieutenant Governor Casey Cagle or the current Secretary of State of the state of Georgia, Brian Kemp.
They are going to have to fight for their party's nomination in a July runoff because neither of them got the requisite votes.
So they will have to tear each other apart until July, during which time Stacey Abrams will be swanning above the fray telling people how wonderful she is.
Now, she was the first black valedictorian of her high school.
I looked up her high school and apparently it was going considerably downhill in the late 1990s when she was valedictorian and it has since been closed.
But she was the first black valedictorian.
She went to Spelman College, where she graduated magna cum laude, and she also attended Yale Law School.
She has practiced law, and she has also co-founded a company called Nourish Inc.
It's a beverage company that focuses on infants and toddlers, but I could find no internet presence for Nourish Inc.
And apparently she is the CEO of something called Sageworks, a legal consulting firm that likewise has a very, very low profile.
Couldn't find out much about her.
But I suppose one of the significant things is that she was running against a white opponent in the primary, but she got 75% of the vote.
This is really quite extraordinary.
And as Mr. Kersey will explain to us in more detail, She cobbled together the obvious coalition of non-whites.
And in fact, she has pretty much turned her back on what used to be traditional white Democrats.
She's not even going to try to persuade them that she is someone they should vote for.
She's going to count on just the limousine liberal whites And really make a huge push for non-whites.
Now tell us about the way the demographics have changed in the state of Georgia.
You're more familiar with that than I. I wish I wasn't.
Georgia is one of those great states.
In 1990 you're talking about a state that is roughly 71-72% white.
As of 2018, you're talking about a state that is about 54% white.
It's going to be a majority-minority state.
An Atlanta Journal of the Constitution story I read detailed the fall of, well, it was triumphant in the fact that a county known as Cobb County Which at one point, famously, their county city leaders said, we don't want MARTA.
We don't want MARTA coming in here.
MARTA, of course, is the public transportation that is infamously poor in how it operates.
Cobb County has gone from, if memory serves correct, 98% white in 1980 to now being a majority-minority county as of next year.
That's projection.
That's significant of a racial transformation.
Now a lot of that Mr. Taylor and our stalwart, I love that word you used earlier, of our fantastic American Renaissance listeners will find it fascinating to know that Georgia, from a demographic standpoint, you are talking about So it's just it's so tragic to talk about because this is a Beautiful state that really Atlanta has transformed the entire state.
I mean Atlanta is probably one of the best places for blacks to live in the country.
Mr. Taylor.
So you've had a You've had the sons and daughters, the granddaughters and grandsons of the Great Migration North when sharecropper labor was basically made obsolete by the mechanical cotton picker.
They go to Chicago, they go to Detroit, they go to Buffalo, they go to Baltimore, they go to Philadelphia, they go to Newark.
Well, guess what?
Atlanta is the Black Mecca for a reason.
There are a number of government jobs, a number of really big affirmative action programs.
If you've ever been to Hartsfield International Jackson Airport, which is the busiest airport in the world, you are stunned by the almost all-black workforce, whether it's the airlines, or whether it's the concessions, or the baggers, or any of the employees there.
You almost ask yourself, well, besides the pilots, We're the white people.
We're the white employees.
What's so sad, though, about all of these counties, I mean, it could be any of these counties, whether it's Cobb County, Fayette County, Clayton County, DeKalb County, Fulton County.
That's all of Atlanta.
The racial transformation is just stunning.
It really is stunning on a micro level.
Well, and apparently Georgia could become a majority-minority, what, in another ten years or so?
No, the projections, regrettably, are crazy.
Their projections are...
I've seen anywhere close to 2020, 2022.
That's why I think Stacey Abrams is four years too early.
However, you know, Georgia has a huge illegal immigration problem because of the shocking levels of black crime in places like Atlanta.
The suburbs now go all the way, you know, halfway to close.
If you go 85 south, you're almost to the Alabama border.
When you get to, you know, the suburbs are closing in on Columbus and they're going north toward Tennessee.
But, you know, a lot of those people cannot vote.
Even if they've come here legally, some of them are not citizens.
And I saw a statistic according to which, in 2014, two-thirds of the voters were still white.
Two-thirds.
Now, the question is what that figure is now, four years later.
I'm sure it's smaller.
And the extent to which that can be fractured so as to get enough of the whites to pile on with the one-third that are not white, or more than one-third now, And we will see if this woman can pull off the upset.
Now, as you suggest, she may be just a few years too early.
But she's going to blaze the trail to what I suspect will be inevitable.
Well, she's blazing the trail for the blueprint for the nationwide push in both Senate, Governor, and House Rep races all across the country now.
What you realize is you no longer need the white vote as soon as the non-white coalition and then your small percentage of the white population still votes for Democrats.
In some of the southern states, Mr. Taylor, in Alabama and Mississippi, Whites are voting 85% for the Republican Party, as long as you have a good candidate.
And here's what's so fascinating, and this is why I think there's cause for, not concern, but for, there's cause to be very optimistic with the Stacey Abrams thing, because the more she goes toward distancing herself from appealing at all to whites.
You're going to start having white people begin to have conversations they otherwise never would have had.
Yes, yes, I agree.
I don't generally subscribe to the worse is better philosophy, but when the Democratic Party makes such an explicit appeal, as she apparently is going to make, not only to the usual liberal stuff, Well, it's racial resentment times 10 to the nth degree.
care, we get to pay for everybody else, gun control, massive immigration, all of those
things that she's in favor of, and she combines all of this with an explicit appeal to non-whites.
This is sending a message to our people that is just as eloquent, even more eloquent than
anything you or I could put into this microphone.
Well, it's racial resentment times 10 to the nth degree.
You're talking about a state, Georgia, where the economics are completely governed and
dictated by what happens in metro Atlanta.
You've got a number of Fortune 500 companies that are based there.
Home Depot, Delta, Coca-Cola, UPS.
Atlanta now is one of the bigger movie production places in the entire country.
Mr. Taylor, you probably didn't know this, but about two years ago Georgia tried to pass one of those religious freedom bills like Indiana did.
And guess what?
Home Depot and Disney came back and said, if you guys pass this, It's going to be very hard for us to continue to invest in your state because we don't want it to be seen as bigoted and backward.
We do want this new Georgia.
And in some ways, you know, Abrams claims that she's the candidate representing the Georgia of tomorrow.
But if you just take a quick look at some of the counties that have gone so significantly non-white, Clayton County, for instance, which part of the Atlanta Hartsfield International Airport is in Clayton County.
In 1980, this was a middle class, working class white county.
About 92% white in 1980.
Flash forward to 2018, what percentage do you think Clayton County is Caucasian?
Oh, by the airport?
I know that the airport, that whole area has become overwhelmingly black.
The hotel where we had the very first American Renaissance Conference was an airport hotel In Atlanta.
And I went back to that hotel, maybe a decade or two later, and the whole ambiance was different.
So I wouldn't be surprised that any figure you quote me.
Clayton County is under 15% white.
This was the county back in 2006.
They elected their first black sheriff, Victor Hill, I believe is his name.
And guess what his first act was?
Fired all the white sheriff's deputies, put snipers on the roof, and had them marched out.
International story for a day.
Had we had the internet that we do now with the cool, quasi-conservative websites, this would have been one of those big clickbait stories.
What's so fascinating, though, about this racial transformation is that you're seeing whites just completely abandoned living anywhere near downtown Atlanta.
They still have to work there.
So whites are commuting two hours a day, just one way, four hours a day away from their children, all because they refuse to do anything when it comes to admitting what has transpired and why they are in this never-ending quest to find good schools.
Well, and apparently even the MARTA system doesn't extend far enough out into the suburbs to take the people into town.
As I recall, don't people often say that MARTA, M-A-R-T-A, stands for Moving Africans Rapidly Through Atlanta?
MARTA is one of the only systems in the United States that had to implement urine detection tests throughout the very Uncomfortable public transportation system because I've read Marta's studies 78% of their writers are African American and it's in a metro area that I'll give you a number here and this will show you just the growth of just how shocking the metro Atlanta growth is it's doubled in size since 2008 it was about
About 4.5 million people in metro Atlanta, 2008.
2018, it's over 11 million people.
Now in this area where the infrastructure just doesn't, it doesn't, it's not going to work out.
So you've got this situation where the white voters are on the verge of being supplanted by this situation where you've got, in Georgia, you've got some really bad cities.
You've got Macon, Augusta, Savannah, Rome, Columbus and Valdosta, where if you were to look at the racial demographics, especially when it comes to crime, and I've seen some of the data when it comes to murder in the state, it's like, guys, you know, this was, you would think you had Detroit demographics when you look at the crime statistics of who's committing the violent crime.
And this is the coalition that Stacey Abrams is going to energize in this, it's our turn now, it's our time now, their time is up, we're coming for you.
Well, it's true.
It is somewhat disturbing when she talks about representing, in her words, the Georgia of tomorrow.
That is a clear message to white people, bye-bye.
Now, it'll be very interesting to see what the election in the fall results in, because apparently the two white men who are trying to get the Republican nomination Who is the most rock-ribbed?
Who is the most Republican?
Who is the most conservative?
And I was amused to learn that one of the campaign ads of Secretary of State Brian Kemp that has been played repeatedly at the last minute during this primary The candidate shows up holding a shotgun and he's quizzing a would-be suitor of one of his daughters as to whether or not he supports the Second Amendment.
That's a pretty hardcore campaign ad.
I mean, the idea of holding a shotgun and talking to a guy who's coming to date your daughter, I mean, I've had fantasies about that myself.
I've never actually done that.
But when somebody walks in the door and proposes to take my daughter out, I sometimes have thought, well, I should just be cleaning my weapons when that guy walks in the door.
But anyway.
So we will see.
The Republicans are going to give the people of Georgia an extremely clear choice.
obviously conservative white man running against an obviously liberal just unapologetically liberal black woman resentful black woman who i believe is going to turn off a lot of the um country club corporate type whites and is going to scare some of the business owners because she she was part of some There was a seminar recently in Atlanta where they were talking about reparations was on the platform and I think that this again this is a glimpse into the future of the Democrat Party as it realizes they can jettison any hope of getting the white vote and the question for Republicans and this is why Radio Renaissance is one of those few sites that are one of the few voices that's going to give Republicans who listen
If there's anybody out there who has any connection to the GOP, listen to our advice right here.
Do not run clowns like Roy Moore.
Find any way to get opposition research on them to the hands of the individuals they're running against, because if you have clowns like that, you are going to alienate a large section of your would-be voters, because they're going to be sad about having a Democrat represent them for a couple years, but they'd be more embarrassed about having someone like Roy Moore represent them.
Well, and another lesson, of course, is that racial solidarity is a very, very thin reed to rely on when it comes to white people.
There was probably a time when you could have run any snaggletooth, low IQ white person, and if the competition was going to be a black woman, for heaven's sake, the white man could have won.
But those days are long, long, long, long gone.
And you have to have, as you say, competent, capable, attractive candidates.
But let's look a little bit further into the resume of this woman who could be potentially the first black female governor.
By the way, is a female governor of a state a governess?
No, I guess not.
That means something else, doesn't it?
But she writes romance novels.
under the name of Selina Montgomery and they are clearly black romance novels.
I looked them up and well she hasn't written one that hasn't written one come out since 2009 but their titles like Hidden Sins, The Art of Desire, Never tell.
Power of persuasion.
And on the covers they have these pictures of black couples, fairly respectable looking black couples.
You know, it's not as though one is ripping open the bodice of the other.
But insofar as it's clearly for black people, I'm surprised instead of calling herself Selina Montgomery, she didn't call herself Selma Montgomery.
Don't you think that would have been appropriate?
She could have called herself Selma T. Montgomery, and she could have said, hey, it's Selma T. Montgomery.
That's right.
The T is abbreviated.
Yeah, she could have.
But anyway, apparently quite a successful career as a romance novelist.
Apparently, she's one of six children.
She was born to parents who were both preachers.
This was in Mississippi.
And she has a sister, Leslie Abrams, who's a federal judge in the Middle District of Georgia.
That sounds like, you know, a good up-and-coming, hard-working, black, middle-class family.
However, in April of this year, she wrote an op-ed for Fortune magazine in which she revealed that she owes $50,000 in back taxes and that she holds $170,000 in credit card and student loan debt.
Now, apparently she complains that all of this is because she's a poor, underprivileged black woman.
If she'd been white, then she wouldn't have this terrible burden.
Well, I find myself thinking about this.
I mean, $50,000 in back taxes.
You only pay back taxes when you owe taxes.
The only reason you owe taxes is because you have income.
You make money.
Yes, you make money.
That's when you owe taxes.
Now, the other business.
$170,000 in credit card and student loan debt.
Why didn't she break the two out?
My guess is that the huge majority of this $170,000 is credit card debt.
Because, I mean, she went to Yale Law School.
Straight out of Spelman.
Magna Cum Laude from Spelman.
how much tuition do you think she had to pay at Yale Law School as a black woman?
Oh, I'd say it was probably less than the percentage of whites in Clayton County.
So she probably has less than 15, you know, less than,
she probably has zero in student loan debt.
Let's be quite frank.
She can say that because, again, one of the platforms of this Democrat party
that's beginning to coalesce is they're gonna say that, hey, instead of reparations,
just forgive all of our debt.
Forgive our student loan debt.
Not for white people, just for Democrats and just for Blacks.
I mean, again, $170,000 in credit card debt.
I forget where she lives in Georgia.
I don't remember what district she represents.
One of the fascinating things about Georgia is that it is a highly segregated state, especially in the metro Atlanta area.
And blacks can get a home for, I mean, my goodness, where they're paying their mortgage.
It's an all black area of say Fulton County or DeKalb.
Yeah, they get it for $200,000.
And it's a home that if whites lived in that area, the property values would probably be worth $700,000.
So they're paying so much less on their mortgage that they have more disposable income, you would think.
Where's it going?
What is she spending this money on?
Well, remember, it's $170,000 credit card and student loan debt.
And you mustn't speculate that the student loan debt figure is zero.
That would be mean-spirited on your part.
But I do suspect the majority of it is credit card debt.
In any case, we'll see if she decides to pay her back taxes when she's elected governor.
I just don't know how people get away with this stuff.
Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, every time you turn around there's some black who should be making plenty of money, who it turns out owes the IRS a huge amount of money.
Well, the only one who's ever gotten in trouble was the actor Wesley Snipes, who I think owed something like $15-20 million in back taxes.
Because he never paid taxes.
And he actually did go to jail for a couple years because of just how shockingly high the tax bill was to Uncle Sam.
But anyway, this is an election to keep an eye on.
It could make history, as the commentators saw.
Oh, just one more thing that caught my eye.
And that is that organizations such as Emily's List and Planned Parenthood have been backing her in the primary.
Now, were you aware that Planned Parenthood backs political candidates?
I thought they were 501c3.
I've always wondered why more of the conservative websites that make their living doing these clickbait type stuff don't do some campaign to actually look into.
How they're able to do this.
I don't know if they're like a 501c4 like the NRA is.
Maybe they have some sort of arm, but I'm astonished.
Maybe I'm naive.
I just never realized that Planned Parenthood was actually a business supporting candidate.
Knowing how bad the illegitimacy rate is in the state of Georgia, I wish that Planned Parenthood would do a far better job.
Anyway, so let's not go there.
But another story I want to talk about today was something that I discovered when I was reading an LA Times article.
And in this article, the Times was lamenting the fact that every year when the FBI releases its data on hate crimes across the United States, The data in that report is essentially meaningless.
They all go into details about how this kind of hate crime went up 3.5% and this kind of hate crime was down by 3.99%.
But the fact is, 88% of the 16,000 law enforcement agencies in the country that are supposed to be contributing data to this, either don't contribute at all, many of them don't contribute, and many of them just report zero hate crimes.
And this includes big, big police departments.
I can't remember whether Chicago or Atlanta, but in any case, police departments on that scale, there are plenty who do not contribute any data at all.
So the LA Times, Along with a whole bunch of other media organizations, wants to fill the gap.
And what they want to do is solicit reader reports about hate crimes.
As it says, The Times, to quote them, The Times is not only seeking reader reports on crimes, but they're also seeking information on incidents involving hatred and prejudice that may not legally qualify as crimes.
Then they go on to say, The Times will verify submissions and use them to report on hate crimes and bias.
Now, there are a lot of things to think about here.
They are wanting information on hatred or prejudice that does not rise to the level of a crime.
And also, they claim they're going to verify these things.
Well, sometimes the police have a hard enough time verifying them.
I'm almost tempted to write into the Times and tell them that I was called honky by somebody as I was walking down the street.
How are they going to verify that?
How on earth are they going to verify that?
My suspicion is that if they get reports from non-whites who are complaining about wicked white people, their word is going to be all that's required.
That's my guess.
Well, and you can say this by pointing out that crazy story that just broke in Texas, where the black woman was pulled over.
The police officer had his body cam on, thankfully.
She claimed that she was raped, that she was... just this horrible situation occurred.
Kidnapped and raped.
The media believed it.
This black lawyer in, I want to say, Houston put out a press release.
They were getting ready to have a huge story.
And guess what?
The two hours of body cam that was captured during this incident showed that her entire story was an absolute positive lie.
That's right.
A lie start to finish.
Now, how are these media organizations going to verify these things?
That's something I'd like to know.
Now, furthermore, I noticed that they had a submissions page.
You could have cooked up a story right then and there and sent it in.
But they say that you can select as to whether or not this alleged hate crime is something that happened to me, something that happened to someone I know, something I witnessed, or something I saw online.
Now, that can be interpreted two ways.
Presumably it could be, say, you see a video or something and say, ooh, that looks like a hate crime.
Or you might, they might be soliciting some kind of, somebody listened to or saw an American Renaissance video and they claim that that is racial hatred.
It could be either one.
But this is astonishing to me, something I saw online.
You know, it's that old phrase, who watches the Watchmen?
The Los Angeles Times, there's no one really fact-checking any of these organizations, any of these outlets.
And you've got the great story about how Elon Musk wants to create a database to actually go in and start looking at all these newsmen and what they're actually reporting on.
Now, what they're trying to do, again, the LA Times and an organization we're about to talk about, a non-profit news company called ProPublica, No gatekeeper.
I'm sorry, no one is really keeping them honest, because they dictate the conversation.
I mean, just yesterday, Mr. Taylor, the news breaks that four blacks murdered a white cop in Baltimore County.
All of those blacks, they're all under 18, so we don't know their actual records.
They're trying to seal their records.
However, one of the blacks, DeWante, I think it was DeWante Harris.
He has this history of criminality.
It's like, how is this guy ever allowed to escape the system?
Because the system exists to protect blacks of this nature from the consequences of their actions.
And this is what this new database, this is what this news organization and this aggregating of data and trying to solicit Readers and people who are interacting with their website, all they want to do is sanitize it from a publication like American Renaissance or a podcast like Renaissance Radio.
Well, we will see.
The organization that is apparently coordinating this and is the nerve center for this data gathering process is, as you call, as you note, it's an outfit called ProPublica.
Now, they are a 501c3 organization.
And they call themselves a non-profit newsroom that produces investigative journalism in the public interest.
Well, their idea of the public interest is somewhat different from yours and mine.
They get money from Ford, from Pew, from George Soros, Henry Louis Gates.
By the way, Henry Louis Gates is one of my classmates at Yale.
He sits on the board.
And these things give us something of an idea of what their journalistic direction is.
Now, I looked into them just with a little bit of detail.
And I discovered that they have 34 full-time working journalists.
34!
That would make them a pretty good-sized newspaper.
There are not very many, I would bet, the number of newspapers in the United States that have 34 full-time journalists.
Probably.
20?
I'd say less than that.
One of the big things we're learning is that as hedge funds begin to take control of newspapers, we're seeing that in the Denver Post where that paper is going to be gone by the end of the year, all these newspapers, these hedge funds realize there's no value in owning a newspaper because there's no long-term business plan to keep them going from a revenue standpoint.
And what is more, because they're 501c3, they have to release a certain amount of information, and in 2010 we learned that eight ProPublica employees earned more than $160,000 and that the managing editor Steven Engelberg made $343,463.
that the managing editor, Steven Engelberg, made $343,463.
This is a reporter or a managing editor for a non-profit newsroom?
And their highest paid reporter, Daphina Linzer, formerly the Washington Post,
made $205,445.
That's a pretty nice salary for what are supposed to be reporters.
Let's put it this way.
They have 34 full-time working journalists.
Let's say, based on these salaries, your average employee, your average salary is $100,000.
You've got a, just for payroll, you're talking about $3.4 million.
That's right.
That's insane.
Well, Ford, Pew, and George Soros are pretty generous.
You know, it's funny.
You just said that they exist to, quote, produce investigative journalism in the public interest.
Their idea of the public interest is, of course, promoting the interests of Stacey Abrams voters, would-be voters in the state of Georgia.
So it's fascinating to look at I can't really think of any article I've ever read that they've done.
Can you?
You know, I remember this name now.
I have seen articles.
It's sentencing guidelines, that kind of thing.
Disparities in sentences for blacks and whites.
And I remember seeing this ProPublica, it'll say something like, reported in cooperation with ProPublica.
But it's true, for an outfit that's this size, with this many reporters, you'd think you'd see their byline plastered all over all kinds of front page stories.
Especially as, like we just said, as newsrooms begin to excise excess journalists, they've got to get copies somewhere, you'd think they'd just publish a press release.
I do know that one of their big stories was one in which they looked into the recidivism scoring algorithms.
This is some of the big data that criminal justice is using to figure out who is more likely to be a recidivist and who should therefore stay in jail longer, who should or should not go out on bail, this kind of thing, who should get parole.
And they exposed racial bias.
In the formulas.
Now, of course, the formulas, they can leave race completely out of it, but if they include all the relevant factors, they're going to reflect reality.
And so ProPublica, bravely and with great incisiveness, discovered that these scoring algorithms reflect reality.
Artificial intelligence has far greater racial awareness than with so-called sentient human beings.
That's right, because artificial intelligence refuses to close its eyes to reality.
But another little story that caught my eye.
Apparently, Dartmouth University, they did a survey of the student body.
And, surprise surprise, they found that if they divide people according to whether they support Democrats or whether they support Republicans, that Democrats are much more closed-minded, much more illiberal than Republicans.
For example, A Democrat is twice as likely to refuse to date a person who would be a Republican than the other way around.
I'm surprised it's that low.
I mean, this is one of the sort of, especially in the Trump era, you know, you hear about all of these dating sites in which the women say, if you even thought about voting for Donald Trump, not interested.
But in any case, they're also four times as likely not to trust a Republican, and almost six times as likely not to make friends with a Republican than the other way around.
Also, they are much less likely than a Republican student to be willing to study or work on coursework with somebody who is on the other side of the fence.
Imagine that.
You're doing, maybe you're doing a chemistry project or something, and they are going to refuse, the ones who call themselves Democrats, are going to refuse to do a chemistry project, be a lab partner with a Republican.
Man, oh man.
This just goes to show you how utterly closed-minded, how just bigoted they are.
Well, the fracturing of the American society is, in a lot of ways, one of the greater things that's happening right now, which we're going to get into as we answer some of your guys' questions you guys have sent in.
Which we're excited to finally do.
There was a great tweet.
I know you're banned from Twitter, so you don't get to peruse the Twittersphere as much as others.
But someone put out a tweet, a leftist said, I would rather my daughter date a member of MS-13 than a Republican.
And it wasn't someone being ironic.
It was someone actually stating their dating policy.
So it's not like he's a candidate for governor in Georgia doing a commercial with a shotgun but he's basically saying that he
would rather his daughter date a member of a violent misogynistic
Hispanic organization.
I did miss that.
I must say I missed that.
I guess now that I've been kicked off of Twitter, I'm cut off from the world at large.
But if you wanted to give a charitable construction to some of these data about willingness to date or willingness to work as a lab partner, I bet you at Dartmouth, There are very, very few people who identify themselves as Republicans.
So they have no choice.
They have no choice.
If they're not going to make friends with Democrats, they have no friends at all.
Except for the, you know, people who could fit in a phone booth or who are actual Republicans.
But I think it's not simply a matter of rarity.
This just goes to show you the kind of Moral preening that is typical among liberals and democrats who think themselves not only that they have reached the right conclusions about political matters, but they have reached the moral conclusion.
This is something so characteristic of them, this notion of virtuous indignation.
I remember once I was involved in a radio debate.
This was years ago when American Renaissance was based in Louisville, Kentucky.
Believe it or not, there was such a time.
Maybe you were born by that time.
In any case, I was on a program with a local Louisville liberal journalist and she said something about how I'm a bleeding heart liberal and damn proud of it.
I said, what?
Proud of it?
And I thought to myself, oh wait a minute, why are you proud of your political position?
I said, you can assume that maybe you are correct.
Why would you be proud of it?
And I got her to admit, I got her, she's proud of it because she thinks she held the morally superior position.
That is a very dangerous political mindset, but I think it is practically universal, certainly on university campuses.
Our friends in Russia during the era of Bolshevism also had that same mindset, and that's one of the beautiful things about the age of Trump.
And as we get into our reader questions, you and I have a more optimistic outlook on what's happening, and not just the Western world at large, But also at the micro level in the United States.
I think there's a lot of positive things happening and one way as we get ready to address this question, it's the way that Trump has, again, shown what the left really believes from a moral standpoint.
Something as simple as the whole MS-13 situation when he has all these leftist media outlets and organizations defending MS-13.
It's fascinating to watch.
How dare you call them animals, Mr. Trump?
There are animals.
They're good people.
They're more American animals than you are, Mr. Trump.
It's been fun to watch.
Again, he haphazardly fell into this situation.
He never backed down.
He put out a statement.
On WhiteHouse.gov, calling them animals, doubling down.
And that's the type of stuff, again, it doesn't mean, it's just an appearance of resolve.
You've spoken about that many times, and I hope that, you know, you'll one day write something really deep about what you really mean by that, or maybe give a big speech on that concept.
Because it really just, if you just show resolve, and you show that you're not going to give an inch, because if you give an inch, you give everything.
Yes.
And you should.
Yeah, it's a simple thing, if you're right.
Stick to your guns.
Don't apologize.
It always breaks my heart when you see someone blurt out something that's obviously true, and then the sky falls, and they scurry around, and they apologize, and they grovel, and it never does any good.
Jordan Peterson has his 12 rules for life.
Jared Taylor has his one rule for life.
Stick to your guns.
Always show the appearance of resolve.
And you win.
You are right.
And act as though you're right, because you are.
Okay, let's move on to some of these questions.
I was quite surprised at the number of people who wrote in.
I didn't realize we had so many curious listeners, but they're curious.
Here's one.
This is a fellow who admires Nicholas Fuentes, who was, at age 19, the youngest speaker we've ever had at an American Renaissance conference, but he says that he objects to Nicholas Fuentes' idea that We should think in terms of religion, specifically Catholicism.
This is an important ingredient in Nicholas Fuentes' Nationalism.
And I must say, I agree with our listener here.
I think that if we do think in terms of a genuine white nation, It is a big mistake to start setting prescriptions for what the religion might be, for heaven's sake, what the political system might be, what the political orientation might be.
It's going to be a nation, and a nation has many, many populations in it.
This is our family, our racial family, and we should not be in a position to even be thinking in terms of kicking out people who are different religions from us.
So I agree with our reader here.
I think Nick Fuentes is a very talented guy, a very smart guy, and a very incisive analysis on many, many different questions.
But to the extent that we start talking about how, well, the ethnostate is going to have this characteristic or that characteristic, I think it's far, far, far too soon to even think in those terms.
And it'll drive away people who are potential allies.
I mean, if you say you've got to be Catholic, good grief!
That would exclude certainly the majority of white people.
Probably, what, 70%?
How many whites in America are Catholic?
Maybe 30%?
Maybe 20%?
So, no, I do agree with our questioner on that notion.
Here's a very simple question that I can answer in a single word.
And this is a reader who says, I know Mr. Tater likes Trollope.
Has he read The Way We Live Now?
And I have a monosyllabic answer.
Yes!
It's a great novel.
And as I once wrote in an essay on the subject of Trollope, you don't have to read Trollope in order to be white.
But I think you have to be white in order to read Trollope.
I cannot imagine a book club in Atlanta with all the African American elite choosing a Trollope novel as one of their books to read.
I suspect that if in the libraries of Detroit they even have any Trollope titles at all, they never go off the shelves.
For those of you who don't know about Anthony Trollope, he was a wonderful 19th century British author who wrote about very ordinary life in Britain.
I mean, some of it was high society, he wrote about aristocrats, he wrote about prelates in the church.
The way we live now is a story of this corrupt financier.
A very, very wealthy guy and of all these people scheming to marry his daughter, who is not very pretty, but is going to come into just millions of what they call tin.
Oh, she's got the tin.
That's the way they refer to her.
But I'm a great, great admirer and lover of Trollope.
I think there's nothing more voluptuous than giving myself entirely over to the genius of Anthony Trollope.
So, I know that you're a fan of Tom Wolfe.
I confess I've only read Maomai and the Flat Catchers and Radical Chic, and I should read A Man in Full, and I should read certainly Bonfire of the Vanities.
But the fact is, if I had the opportunity to spend the next 20 hours reading another novel, I would be very tempted to read another trauma.
I don't know, I might be tempted to read Selina Montgomery's The Art of Desire.
Maybe Power of Persuasion after The way you described his voluptuous novel.
No, I'm joking.
Well, I imagine it's pretty steamy stuff.
She got awards for people that did grant awards for black-oriented romance.
There might be something for you to learn there in a black-oriented romance.
I think I'm going to pass on that opportunity to engage.
You could broaden your horizons.
Engage fiction I've never dared lay eyes upon.
Yeah, yeah.
Somehow romance novels, I can't claim to read a single one.
Now, this is, I think, one of the most interesting questions we got.
And I will read it to you in full.
He says, as an ethnic Chinese whose political outlook more closely resembles a quote alt-right, although I'm not white, and is a longtime citizen of one of the great white countries, how should I best support a white nation and meta-white nations?
I'm aware that I may be kicked out should the nation I'm a citizen of become a white ethnostate, but I think this would still be worth the cost to see the restoration of white greatness.
Anyway, my question is in the paragraph above.
This text is just for additional context.
I have not supplied my real name due to potential real-world consequences, etc., etc.
Just hope my questions get picked and look forward to the next AMRAN podcast as I do every week as usual.
Now, you know, it may surprise some of our listeners, or perhaps I've mentioned this before, we get a lot of fan mail.
I would say, oh, maybe once a month we get a communication from a non-white person who says, look, I'm not white, but I agree 100% with the right of white people to have their own nations, to support their own culture, and many of them go just as far as this guy here to say, to talk about the restoration of white greatness.
It's because this Chinese guy recognizes the wonderful things white people have done for the world at large.
I can't tell you how many email messages that we have gotten from people from Iran, people from the Indian subcontinent, people from Asia, even people from Africa.
You'd be surprised how many we get from Africa who say, look, we need you.
The world needs you.
Don't go to the wall.
Well, this is sort of an introduction to what I would say is if a non-white person sees the legitimacy and the necessity for whites to live in coherent societies where they can continue to be white, then the most important service they can do is speak up on that subject.
It seems to me that liberals in particular would be shocked and flabbergasted and be forced to think if they were ever to hear a non-white person making some of our arguments.
What sort of advice would you give this guy in terms of how to help us regain the kind of racial conscience we need in order for whites and their civilization to survive?
We live in a world now where whites have no moral authority whatsoever.
And I made a joke to a friend that during that whole Kanye West brouhaha, once again largely driven by Twitter, when it turned out people said, oh Kanye West is red pill and he's wearing a Make America Great Again hat.
If he really wanted to do something that would have upset the apple cart tremendously, it would have been hold up a sign that says, it's okay to be white.
And unfortunately, whites have no moral authority.
So I would echo exactly what you just said.
If you were to come out and you were to say something along the lines of, hey, you know what?
It is okay to be white.
White people do have legitimate interests that are being trampled upon by The managerial elite, whatever you want to call this, what's transpiring in the Western world.
And there is a pushback against that right now in Europe.
We're seeing it.
Even in a country like Sweden, we're seeing a stirring.
And it's, to me, one of the more encouraging things that's happened in my lifetime to think that people who have been so thoroughly deracinated have shown atavistic reaction.
And I think I met a guy one time who said, hey, if you don't stand up for your people, no one else is going to.
And I remember that had a big impact on me.
I've actually kept that little note that he sent me.
He said, no one else is going to speak this.
It was basically along the lines of, no one's coming.
to save you.
No one's coming to save us.
I like to say that to people.
Guys, no one's coming to save us.
There's not some duis ex machina out there.
It's going to be up to individual actions that collectively over time aggregate to enable something.
And yet, as this guy proves, and as many people have communicated with us prove, there are a few of us who are not us, people who are not us, who will speak
up for us, at least in private.
Now, how often do they actually say this sort of thing in public? That would be, to me,
the key question. One of the more profound anecdotes from Camp of the Saints was when
the, was it an Indian who joins to stop the assault on, when they had that great meal
and they're listening to, I don't recall what they were listening to, but he appreciated all
of what the West and white men had created and he knew that its doom meant the doom of all that he
That he took for granted and cared about.
And that was just a profound line.
If white people are not prepared to stand up for the West, somebody's got to.
And here's a guy from the Indian subcontinent that shoulders his rifle and defends the West.
Extraordinary.
But no, we can't count on people who are not us.
I certainly welcome their cooperation.
And it's rather poignant.
He says, I'm aware I may be kicked out to the nation in which I'm a citizen become a white ethnostate.
You know, this leads to all this question.
I mean, it's the sort of completely fantasy-oriented discussion that people have
about, well, who would we let in, who wouldn't we let in?
I suppose some of the readers are going to think I'm just a complete
wet and weakling, but you know, if Thomas Sowell wanted to spend his retirement years in the white
ethnostate, would you be prepared to say, no, no, you've got to go live with the
Haitians instead?
He couldn't vote.
Let's put it that way.
And he couldn't have children.
He would not have any suffrage or the franchise.
Let's put it that way.
Well anyway, I think it's rather poignant that he recognizes that this could mean that he might not have the right to live among these people that he admires, but he nevertheless sees the importance of our being Able to exercise this right of exclusivity.
Another question here, and this is going to show you that people actually listen to what we say.
He says, A few episodes ago, Mr. Taylor made a point of how poorly the average person dresses nowadays, as contrasted even A 1930s breadline.
That's right.
I think we mentioned that remarkable photograph from the Depression.
In the background, there's this big publicity of something of the American way of life, and it's an advert, a sort of public service ad, and this happy family behind the wheel of a car.
that lined up in front of all these people in a bread line.
But they're all wearing fedoras, and they look rumpled and crumpled.
Three-piece wool suits.
Yeah, they're all dressed very nicely.
So he says, what is the official minimum dress requirement to not look
sloppy?
Well, of course, that depends on the context.
That depends on the context.
I think merely having the concern about appearance to ask the question suggests that this listener has the means to answer the question.
Should it merely occur to you, that suggests that you are operating in a kind of mental world in which you should be able to answer the question yourself.
And obviously, you know, you don't wear the same clothes under all circumstances, but I suppose where I draw... I mean, I never draw... I never wear a t-shirt, for example, unless I'm working out in a gym.
Not that my particular example is one that of any importance.
I remember once in Southern California, I was sitting in a restaurant, sort of watching the people go by.
And, you know, it's warm.
And I remember thinking to myself, you know, if I were running a concentration camp and I wanted to cover the nakedness of my inmates as inexpensively as possible, I would give them t-shirts and, you know, these sort of shorts.
I thought to myself, these people are dressed as In the way that an evil and exploitative prison system would dress them in if they wanted to save as much money as possible.
But in any case, again, I would say that if you have the wit to ask this question, you have the wit to answer it.
And I would rather not lay down particular rules myself.
Hey, I'll lay down some rules.
Don't wear a graphic tee.
You know, you're not an MMA fighter, you're not some goof who's getting ready to rob a 7-Eleven.
If you're going out in public and you're going to wear a golf shirt, a polo, tuck your shirt in.
Don't look slovenly.
Yes, I remember at one of these meetings that we have, it's not an AR conference, but I remember going up to a young man whose shirttail was untucked and I said, really, for your benefit and for mine, please tuck your shirttail.
Well, I'll tell you something else.
You know, Mangan has done a lot of really good articles about the importance of the way your appearance is with clothing.
Seek those articles out.
And a lot of it has to do with the name that I'm sure some of our listeners will be shocked we're going to say.
But Michael Cernovich has written a pretty good book called The Guerrilla Mindset.
He writes about posture and the way that you present and comport and just carry yourself.
I think that that has a significant weight on how individuals perceive you.
And one of the ways that in our atomized lives that we live where we're online all the time and we don't have much interaction with people except when we go out.
I mean you do so much online shopping now what point is there to go to the grocery store?
You should always comport yourself as if you're constantly being watched.
So my advice would be always dress to impress.
You know, unless you're working out like you just said, always give off this air of, and it's not elitism to say this, it's just all you have to do is just tuck your shirt in and you look better than 95% of the people out there.
That's right.
It's a matter of self-respect more than anything else.
Precisely.
And, you know, we live in a world of intense ugliness.
But there is one thing that we can control, and that is our appearance.
And if we can contribute to a little bit of an aesthetic improvement to the world around us, I think it's something well worth doing.
I can't claim always to live up to those standards myself.
But it's something to bear in mind.
And one final thought, regardless of what your vocation is, always dress for the job that you want.
It sounds like simple advice, but if you show up to a job where you're not required to wear a tie, but you know what?
You do.
You're going to give off an air of, not sophistication, but of professionalism that the other individuals who are employed with you, they don't have.
And always just try, always think about impressing.
Especially on your first date.
Don't show up in a graphic tee.
It's that simple.
You know?
It's that simple.
Please.
I should think that would go without saying.
But in any case, moving on to the next question.
This may have to be our last one.
This guy says, I find little cause for optimism and have even considered moving myself and my family out of the United States to some country that is not headed down the path of self-destruction.
I'd like to know, in your honest opinion, either of you, do you find any cause for optimism?
Do you believe there's any hope for the United States?
Well, I'm full of optimism, and I believe you are too, Mr. Kersey.
The events of the last four or five years fill me with optimism.
I am not prepared to say that For sure, absolutely, we will be able to pull our civilization out of the morass.
I cannot be confident that will happen, but things are moving in a direction that is so much more positive compared to 25 years ago when I first started American Renaissance, compared to 10 years ago, compared to 8 years ago.
Things are moving very much in a way that I find encouraging.
The way that the other side is overplaying its hand desperately, every orthodoxy lashes out with particular viciousness as it dies.
And I think this racial orthodoxy, this egalitarian orthodoxy, senses that it is losing control.
And that's why it's lashing out with the kind of intensity and ferocity that we see around us every time.
But at the same time, I don't think that we should calculate the chances of success and then decide what we're going to do.
No.
We have a duty no matter what.
Whether we succeed or fail, we must work for our people.
We have this obligation to our ancestors.
We have a duty to our children.
And I don't like this sort of defeatist attitude of running away.
Now, I don't know how long this questioner's family has been in the United States.
My folks have been living here for about 350 years.
And we don't intend to move.
At some point, we've got to stop running and we have to start fighting.
So that would be my answer.
Don't run away.
Stand and fight.
Because you can't always run away.
Well, and more importantly, we might not get to see that day of victory, whether it's in Europe, whether it is the actual American Renaissance.
And it transpires to a point where the Asian alt-right gentleman who wrote in the piece says, what if that day actually comes?
What happens to me?
I think the better question is what happens to us living if we continue to fail to try and convert other people to understand the significant nature of the not looming disaster that's upon us, but already has occurred.
And that is the complete Inversion of of.
Racial truths.
And like you just said, that orthodoxy is lashing out so great.
That's why having the internet sanitized of our voice is paramount to them maintaining that monopoly.
Yes, yes.
That's life or death for them.
And I think it could literally be death for them.
If we get the kind of megaphone, the kind of platform that we potentially have, they realize just how dangerous we are.
And in Europe, all they can do, they've basically outlawed a lot of the conversations we're having right now.
We could be thrown in jail for having this conversation, or at least fined significantly.
All they can do is try and outlaw parties as they begin to grow, what's going on in Sweden, what's going on in Germany, what's going on in France, when you see what the National Front has been up against with Marine Le Pen getting the fines for a Facebook post.
I mean, again, it's all about controlling that megaphone, and right now All we are are a number of voices out there speaking to those who listen and one mind at a time converting people from that anti-white matrix that dominates every facet of our life from cradle to grave.
And you don't convert by running away.
And you don't convert by being silent.
So keep sending your questions to us.
You can send it to me at sbpdl1 at gmail.com or you can send it to American Renaissance by going to the Contact Us tab at amran.com.
We've had a great conversation today as always.
I hope you guys enjoyed it.
So for Jared Taylor, my name is Paul Kersey.
Our time is up.
We thank you for yours.
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