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Oct. 20, 2016 - Radio Renaissance - Jared Taylor
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The Third Debate and Democrats’ Dirty Tricks
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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to another edition of Renaissance Radio with our regular guest, Paul Kersey, who will give us his commentary and insight on some of the news the last few days.
Of course, the most dramatic thing that we can talk about that happened yesterday was the final debate between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.
Some of the main media, even the Washington Post, is suggesting that he actually won that debate, interestingly enough.
But I think one thing that comes through with him is that Hillary Clinton is this wind-up toy with these prepared, canned answers, but Donald Trump really seems to care about the American people.
But what was your sense of the debate, Brother Kersey?
What did you think was most important?
There have been three debates. I would argue that Donald Trump did not win the first one.
I think he Resoundingly was victorious in number two, and I believe he also won debate number three.
However, it is my opinion that Donald Trump had opportunities to really throw some haymakers, primarily due to Chris Wallace's tremendous questions.
Chris Wallace brought up the Clinton Foundation.
Chris Wallace brought up the WikiLeaks, where we found out that Hillary Clinton basically said she's for open borders.
She's for this hemispheric North American Union where American sovereignty is just in the textbooks.
And Donald Trump was offered an opportunity very early in the debate, Jared.
We're gonna get to this in a minute.
But Hillary seemed to have a canned response Where if Donald Trump says X, I will reply with Y. And she said, Donald incites violence at rallies.
He incites his supporters to violence.
And Donald, you're watching this, he gets this big smile on his face.
And he began to bring up James O'Keefe's Project Veritas, which shows that actually it's the other way around.
the Democrats are actually working to hire individuals to go to the Trump rallies and
create violence as most notably the horrendous events we saw at the University of Chicago
rally where a number of cops were bloodied and it was just a violent situation.
I don't remember the month but I remember I was watching it live and Donald had a moment
there where it was a knockout moment and I'm hoping that in the next day or so he'll give
a speech only about the Project Veritas information.
And if I could throw one more thing out.
But the point is he came back I think in a very vague way.
He mentioned the videos, the videos, as if everybody knew what that was all about, without explaining things properly.
I think he's got something of a problem with that.
His debates are all around the map.
He keeps wandering here and there, and he makes an allusion to something, but he just doesn't hammer the answer down in a convincing way, and that was a good example of it.
You know what he did do and what most people aren't talking about because of his strange comment about, you know, keeping people in suspense regarding the results of the election where he kind of said, well, no, no, we're keeping all options on the table.
Trump's closing statement was brilliant.
It was everything that he's talked about in all of his campaign appearances during the Republican primary condensed, quick, and beautiful.
He didn't pause at all. It was just boom, boom, boom.
And more importantly, about why it was so powerful.
Chris Wallace noted that both of the candidates had agreed to not do closing statements.
But then he reversed and said, I think it would be fun if we actually did have you guys do off-the-cuff closing statements.
And Hillary's was...
It was forced.
It was as we've talked about.
It was just... I think at that point she'd run out of energy and it was almost as if she was saying, line, line, what do I say here?
As if in a high school drama play she forgot, whereas Trump was just emphatic and that was beautiful.
The one thing I'll say about Trump and what he could have done in every question, whether it was questions about the economy, foreign policy, whether it was questions on entitlement spending, It all should have gone back to immigration and how if we can take care of our illegal immigration problem and our immigration problem, we will then be able to raise wages because we will no longer have the pressure of unlimited labor flooding into the country to drive down wages.
And more importantly, when these people come in and have children, they're automatically qualified for benefits.
I know you live in...
I guess I can say where you are, located in Fairfax County.
That's not private knowledge.
Fairfax County has a deficit when it comes to public education because there are so many illegal immigrants in the school system.
Just imagine if you were to get rid of all the illegal immigrants in Northern Virginia.
This area would probably see 400,000 people immediately have gone.
Anyways. Right.
Well, I think that was an example of what so strikes me about Hillary Clinton's answers.
Often, her answers are well-crafted.
They are so well-crafted that they're clearly scripted.
She's memorized them.
She has got an answer in her pocket for everything she assumes Donald Trump is going to say.
But then when she starts talking, she sounds like a wind-up doll.
One of these pull the string and Barbie says, I want a cracker.
And it's just so unconvincing.
But in that respect, her style is so different from Donald Trump.
And even though she says, I think, often better crafted things than Donald Trump, Donald Trump, as I said before, he sort of bounces around.
He doesn't really get to the point sometimes.
But she comes across as an automaton.
And in closing, as we move away from the debate, I believe one of the more important points is they want to keep bringing up Syrian refugees and children.
We have to do things for the children.
And she brought up yet again that picture of the, I don't know what age the child is, but the Syrian child who is in the ambulance.
And half the side of his face is covered in dust.
The other side is bleeding as if this image alone should be enough to wage war on behalf of ISIS and the rebels against Assad and Putin.
And there's another equally important, if not more, moving image, Jared.
And that is of the image of the child covered in the blanket in Nice after the horrific Muslim terror attack using the van.
And the image is of the child with the blanket over and there's a doll next to her.
And to me, I know Trump doesn't rehearse.
I know Trump doesn't do much practice.
But to me, that's a far more important image because that encapsulates all of what he's talking about.
He wants to keep saying Hillary won't mention Islamic radical terrorism.
But Donald, we have images of the consequences of Islamic radical terrorism.
Why not just mention that?
Well, the fact is I'm opposed to even hinting at making policy based on moving photographs, especially of one single beaten up or dead child.
I think that kind of appeal is very feminine.
It's a very kind of feminized politics that's not the basis on which we should be making hard-headed decisions.
You could go all around the world.
You could even find photographs in very successful countries like Japan.
Of some child in some miserable, horrible-looking situation, that doesn't mean all of a sudden we have to open the gates to all these poor, hungry, tired, dying Japanese.
No, it makes no sense.
But if, as you say, if Hillary is going to talk images, then certainly Donald Trump had images he could come back with.
On balance, though, do you think Donald Trump has been served by this series of debates, or do you think he really hasn't advanced his candidacy?
I think he's advanced his candidacy tremendously.
I believe that based on all that we've seen with the connected media, the corporate media, which basically serves at this point as crisis management actors and public relations assets for the ruling elite in Washington.
And that's both parties. That's the connected...
I'm trying to think what Sam Francis, the words he used to describe what is in DC, this oligarchy in a lot of ways.
I think Trump has done such damage to the media in this election cycle that you can't discount when 10, 15,000 people are chanting, CNN sucks, CNN sucks.
And people are having these conversations.
There's a tremendous article that the AP published about the lack of...
Both for Clinton and Trump, political signs that are out everywhere because people are afraid.
And I do believe that there are a tremendous number of Trump supporters who are just fearful of reprisal and potentially losing employment.
I mean, here we go. I got to bring up Fairfax again.
I read this in the story in the newspaper.
There's a Board of Education member in Fairfax County who's pro-Trump.
Her colleagues are saying, you need to be off the Board of Education.
How can you support Trump and worry about the children?
And I think that Trump's debate performance is, yes, we can critique them.
We can Monday morning quarterback them.
But the fact is, he's still up there and he did not back down from the wall.
He did not back down from the wall.
That was brought up last night.
He did not back down from these positions.
Well, to play devil's advocate, I confess to being somewhat disappointed.
And I'm disappointed because he had such a crushing success in the primary debates.
And I think looking back on it now, one of the reasons why he was so successful is that he wasn't one-on-one with anybody for an hour and a half.
He would come out of his corner, land a haymaker, and go back.
He didn't have to be on his game in a sustained way.
And I think that put Donald Trump at something of a disadvantage because he doesn't memorize answers.
He doesn't study the issues.
He doesn't have this pocket full of prepared replies that if he had, he could give, I think, in a much more spontaneous and convincing way than Hillary Clinton does.
But frankly, I have been disappointed.
I hoped for better for Donald Trump.
That's a fascinating observation because if you think about the second debate, the town hall, it was a very hostile environment for Trump where he flourished.
You know, you had Anderson Cooper and the female, I can't remember her name, it's inconsequential at this point, who were basically, it was three on one.
And Trump continued to point that out.
Hey, I like this. It's three on one here.
And he... Unquestionably, that was his best performance, debate number two.
I still feel that, you know, Chris Wallace threw some softballs regarding WikiLeaks that, of course, Hillary tried to pivot and claim it was Putin behind it all.
And then, of course, the Clinton Foundation questions where Trump brought up, hey, you know, you've got connections to all this money you're getting from Saudi Arabia and Qatar who are far more misogynistic and anti-women and anti-gay.
They throw gays off buildings. Why don't you give it back?
And he did do that, but I mean, Trump's appeal at this point, it's...
You have to go back, and I know we want to move on to another conversation, but you have to go back to what Mitt Romney said in 2012.
53%, 47% of the American people are not going to vote for me.
And I think Donald Trump, he's tried to make those appeals, though.
He did, again, bring up, you know, he brought up how he would be better for blacks.
You know, the Democrats don't care about you.
They care about you every four years, and then they say bye, see you at the polls in four years.
And he made that appeal again.
Of course, that's not going to go anywhere for obvious reasons.
But Trump really is sincere in his defense of America.
And that's become clearer and clearer as we've gone on the election cycle.
Yes, that is one of the great ironies of this election, it seems to me, is that the one billionaire...
I think that's because people who have been in Washington for as long as Hillary Clinton has been, even some who haven't been there as long, they get caught up in this nexus of thinking that they are so important, that they are better than everybody else out there, and their contempt for ordinary Americans shines through.
They're just dripping with hypocrisy when they talk about what they want to do for ordinary Americans.
Oddly, this billionaire...
Who now lives in a kind of a golden cocoon and flies in his own airplanes with gold-plated seatbelt buckles on it.
That's the guy who seems to be able to connect with ordinary Americans.
It's just extraordinary. But what do you think about this last comment of his?
And this will be our final point on the debate.
When he said he would not necessarily accept the results of the election.
Al Gore did it in 2000.
You know, that was the first election that I was able to vote in.
And I remember how fascinating that whole episode was.
You know, because Gore won the popular vote and he lost Electoral College, which is the beauty and the fragility of our system.
And I think that, you know, there's a guy named Robert Heinlein who wrote a lot of great novels sort of about democracy and the failures of democracy.
And I think that Donald Trump basically in this, you know...
I loved it. I think it's one of those powerful moments.
I think Donald didn't do quite enough to articulate what he meant, and I think he'll give a big speech in the next couple days where he says voter fraud is obvious.
There is examples of it.
It exists. We need to talk about what's going on here.
The media's not going to. Well, again, to play devil's advocate, I thought that was a mistaken answer.
I think he should have said, yes, I accept the will of the people.
In effect, he's pronouncing himself almost a kook.
He's going to be a sore loser.
He says, if I lose, it's got to be rigged.
I mean, that's not the speech of someone who has any kind of...
Large, honorable notions about how democracy is supposed to work.
He is just preternaturally suspicious.
I think he came across as a guy who would be prepared to believe anything if he lost.
Now, obviously there are circumstances in which you might contest an election if there was evidence of massive voter fraud, If it was a really, really close count and you wanted a recount, but he should have explained that.
My impression was he was saying the system is just bloody rigged top to bottom, and if I lose, then it's the system's fault.
That does not come across as a statesmanlike answer.
But anyway, we'll see what he manages to come up with if he does give a speech on this.
Let's move along, if we may, to these remarkably videos that James O'Keefe and his Project Veritas Action has come up with.
I had never heard of this fellow named Robert Creamer.
He's the co-founder of Democracy Partners, which is a consulting group.
But apparently what they do is they paid people to go to Trump rallies and they paid them to start fights and to make it look as though it was the Trump supporters who attacked them.
You recall that Trump rally in Chicago that got completely shut down.
That one, apparently, a lot of this violence that was going on there, that was some of their paid guys.
And Kramer affirms at one point in the video that Hillary Clinton is aware of, quote, all of his work, and that his company, Democracy Partners, has a daily telephone call with the Clinton campaign to coordinate their efforts.
Now, as you recall, the media had always described this violence as something that Trump, with his rhetoric, had provoked.
And this seems to me a smoking gun of the very opposite, that it's the Democrats.
It's the Democrats who actually paid people to do this.
Now, Creamer, you know, there's more about Creamer here.
You see here, what can you tell us about this Creamer character?
Yeah, you know, he is basically about as connected to the Chicago clique, to this Saul Alinskyite, the acolytes who sort of envelop...
Obama himself. This is what Obama matured at.
He was basically baked in these ideas and this type of mindset.
Creamers, here's a guy who's married to a nine-term rep, a Democrat out of Illinois, Jane Schakowsky.
You're talking about a guy who has committed tax violations and massive fraud, and yet he's still somehow allowed to work with at the highest levels of government.
Here's a guy, Jared.
He says that Hillary is aware.
He tells this to O'Keefe's people, Project Veritas.
They're aware of all the activities.
Directly or indirectly, Democracy Partners has a daily conference call.
More importantly, this guy has been to the White House, Obama's White House, on the daily logs.
He's been there more times than Black Lives Matter activists.
342 times. And according to Obama's own records...
There have been several visits to the family residence and 47 private meetings with Barack Obama.
This is a guy who, in the 90s, $2.3 million in bank fraud and tax violation.
This is insane. This guy is a convicted felon, an obvious sleazeball, and yet he is at the heart of the Clinton campaign.
Now, this is just one aspect of O'Keefe's videos.
And as you can imagine, the big media has just skated very, very lightly over this stuff.
Just a few mentions in passing.
And of course now, Kramer has resigned or been fired, but they're all denying that they did the kinds of things that Kramer says they did.
The campaign now says that this was all a discussion of theoretically possible things, that of course they never hired bums and mentally ill people to go make a spectacle of themselves at Trump rallies.
Oh, they're denying it all.
Well, why has he resigned?
Why has he been fired? Anyway, then there's another one of the video performers here, a guy named Scott Fulval.
I'd never heard of him either.
He's the guy who actually goes out and hires the crazies and the bums to go do that.
And he said this.
He said this. This is quoting him.
The campaign pays DNC. In other words, the money gets laundered through all of these different organizations and then is used to hire people to provoke violence at Trump rallies.
It's extraordinary. It's just extraordinary.
Then the other thing that I was completely struck by is that this guy is part of a PAC. And PACs, as you know, are never supposed to deal directly with the campaign.
They're supposed to be at arm's length.
The money they spend is no coordination with the actual candidate.
But he says, ah, that's all a bunch of baloney.
They use consultants as intermediaries for communication.
And he called the system the Pony Express.
They even have a name for it.
They put the messages on the Pony Express.
It goes through this guy and that guy.
Here, quoting him again. We are contracted directly with the DNC in the campaign.
I am contracted to Kramer, but I answer to the head of special events for the DNC and the head of special events and political for the campaign.
We have certain people.
We do not get to talk to them at all.
In other words, they are maintaining plausible deniability by not speaking to certain people.
It's just remarkable.
Of course, he's out the door, too.
But the campaign's saying, oh, no, once again, this guy's talking about theoretical things.
We have never, ever done anything like this.
But that's too late.
The horse is out of the barn, and they're not getting him back.
Now, I thought it was fascinating what the Scott Fovall said about Republicans.
Didn't you think so? Yeah, you know, looking at what he said about Republicans...
He's quoted as saying, they have fewer guys willing to step out on the line for what they believe in.
There is a level of adherence to rules on the other side that only when you're at the very highest levels do you get over.
It doesn't matter what the freaking legal and ethics people say, we need to win this motherfucker.
End quote. Yes.
I mean, I gotta say, you know, they understand what's at stake.
And you go back to that speech Trump gave where he talked about the threat that this election has of what's going to happen.
And he is right. I just don't think...
Trump gave that speech before...
This Project Veritas information dropped, and this to me has to become a cornerstone of Trump's campaign when he's talking.
He needs to sit down. I don't know if it needs to be with James O'Keefe in an interview, but he needs to have someone sit down and start doing interviews where he puts these on Facebook Live, on Periscope, on Twitter.
And circumvent the media.
You can do that now.
Think about guys like Mike Cernovich and Scott Adams, what they've built, and Stefan Molyneux, all these people who have built these tremendous platforms on social media.
Trump can do that even better because he's got so many followers.
He can say, hey guys, listen, tonight at 8 p.m.
Eastern, we're going to do a live Trump chat.
And we're going to talk about this.
And I want all your friends, tell your friends, you need to see this.
You need to know what the Democrats are doing.
Because, I'll tell you one thing, Think about all the violence we've seen against Trump supporters, especially in California when that one white girl had eggs thrown at her.
What's funny is they didn't need to hire actors to do that.
They didn't need to have theoretical.
That just happened because of the hate that exists, because of what the media has done to paint Trump as this threat to democracy and Hitlerian individual.
And yet, now you do have the evidence that they are actually training people.
I mean, that's the scary thing.
Well, this is something that the left refuses to accept about itself.
It always accuses the right of being potentially militarist, potentially dictators, They are the ones that circumvent the law.
They are the ones that put military or violent pressure on people that they disagree with.
American Renaissance conferences had to be cancelled because of precisely this kind of pressure.
And here we see the utter hypocrisy of them calling themselves Believers in tolerance, believers in diversity.
No! They throw the word fascist around all the time, but they are certainly the ones who are behaving in this jackbooted, thuggish way whenever somebody disagrees with them.
Totalitarians. Yes, they are the true totalitarians, and we're not supposed to believe it because they're all supposed to be lovers of humanity.
There was another James O'Keefe video that came out with some of the same people talking about how it would be possible to commit massive voter fraud.
Now, during the Trump debate, Trump should have mentioned this specifically, but this all does seem to be in the realm of the theoretical.
And it doesn't seem that they've actually done any of that, so I found that aspect of the video less interesting.
But it just goes to show you the kinds of things they're thinking of.
They're going to hire people to be violent, and they are thinking clearly and concretely in terms of the kind of voter fraud that would be possible if, as you say, we need to win this motherfucker.
And the ethics and the morality of it don't matter at all to these guys.
Well, the realm of theoretical always has practical applications for testing that hypothesis, so let's put it that way.
Well, they're prepared to test just about anything, it seems.
Now, the trouble is, James O'Keefe is not completely clean either.
He had to plead guilty to that misdemeanor for breaking into former Louisiana Democratic Senator Mary Landrieu's office to tamper with her phone.
That stuff doesn't look good.
He had to pay off $100,000 to settle a lawsuit at the time of that Acorn video.
Of course, the Acorn video in which they got these lefty Acorn workers promising to help
fund a brothel and evade taxes.
Great Scott.
It did end up with Acorn being disbanded and people were fired.
So that was a good thing that was done.
But it's a pity that James O'Keefe doesn't have the kind of spotless record we'd like
to point to as somebody who puts together absolutely 100% foolproof videos.
But on this occasion, judging from the kinds of things he's got these people on tape saying,
I think he's got smoking guns.
Well going back to Fovall's statement though, at least O'Keefe is prepared to step out of
the line for what they believe in.
And O'Keefe does believe in the Constitution and in perpetuating some form of the America that you and I both believe needs to exist.
That's right. In a way, you have to hand it to them.
They are really going to do everything it takes to win, but I think when this kind of thing comes before the American people, it should have a devastating effect on Hillary Clinton's campaign, but the major media are really pussyfooting around this.
Finally, I thought we had some fascinating WikiLeaks materials.
Thank you, Julian Assange.
Yes, he's really doing a great work.
Of course, you saw that the embassy where he's holed up has decided that they're not going to give him access to the internet anymore.
Which is, and going back to the debate real quick, Donald Trump should have brought this point up, he said, because it's coming out that the Secretary of State John Kerry is putting pressure on Ecuador to cut his internet.
Donald Trump should have simply said, why is the Obama administration working to protect You, from the findings of WikiLeaks and the emails that are coming out.
What say you, Hillary?
Why are they working? What's this collusion?
Well, it's very clear.
The nation of Ecuador is worried about what might happen if Hillary Clinton becomes president.
Ecuador is a small Latin American country, and we are the colossus to the north.
But yes, Donald Trump really could have hit that hard too.
But I think it was fascinating.
Once again, we have this Clinton campaign chairman, John Podesta.
What a slimy operator he is.
I thought one of the interesting email exchanges was when it was announced.
That the San Bernardino shooter was a guy named Saeed Farouk.
This was being announced by Christopher Hayes of MSNBC. And John Podesta writes and says it would be better if a guy named Saeed Farouk was reporting that a guy named Christopher Hayes was the shooter.
In other words, he would prefer that some muzzy name be the MSNBC reporter announcing that a white guy had been the shooter.
What do you make of that? I go back to the debate last night where Hillary brought up the Orlando incident and said, oh, this is an example of homegrown terrorism.
He was raised in Brooklyn.
It's like, well, who cares? His parents were immigrants.
And we, as Americans, have a right to decide who gets to have citizenship.
If not, as you've said, we know that you believe the Constitution, as Tim Kaine noted, for some reason protects everyone on the planet now.
What's the point of even having a flag?
What's the point of even having borders, Hillary?
And we know that these people, every time there is a shooting, every time there is a mass shooting, I should say, they're so excited to know that they have a potential white face to blame and to thumb their nose to the NRA and say, hey... You're killing toddlers, as Hillary kept saying last night.
Hillary kept saying over and over again, her opposition to the Second Amendment was because toddlers are being killed.
And then, of course, going on in the next set, she had no problem with abortion, so it was kind of odd.
But anyways, I don't want to open that can of worms.
But no, I think the media always wants to exploit a white mass shooter because the capital that they can expend from that goes on and on and on.
But what this says about the way these white people actually think, one of the staffers, Karen Finley, also looked back and said, damn!
In other words, she wanted the shooter to be white too.
What do these white people think about white people?
Why is it they want white people to be wicked and bad?
There is a deep, deep sickness in these people if they want people of their own race to be always the criminals.
But this is the kind of sickness that I think permeates the ruling and the media classes in this country.
Well, the short-term capital gain from those type of incidents, it acts as a catalyst for promoting their agenda.
I mean, yes, it's deep and it's psychological.
I agree. It's a pathology.
But at the same time, it does offer a short-term boost to what they want to accomplish.
And they do see themselves...
I mean, we talk about Trump being a megalomaniac.
I mean, the level of narcissism from these individuals and their hatred...
It's becoming more and more obvious.
And I believe that it's an opportunity to further their agenda so that they can be in the history books.
They truly believe this, that even though America is destined, if things go without change, to be a Haiti.
Or just with very few whites around and basically Detroit or Baltimore type of political environment.
They believe they're going to be looked at as the good guys.
But as we know, that's not the case.
They're going to be struck from history, never remembered, and yet all their actions help lead to that moment when the heroes of our civilization were supplanted.
And even though they believe that they're the heroes, hey, they're going to be forgotten too and slandered.
Yes. They think that they are paving the way for a new America in which maybe there will be grateful statues erected in their honor by this increasingly non-white majority.
No. They're going to be criticized because they didn't turn the country over fast enough.
Agreed. That is the kind of thanks they're going to get.
Agreed. But the idea of wanting a shooter to be white, because if you end up with a Muslim shooter, it's going to make it more difficult to persuade the American people to let in millions more Muslims.
There is no way that this can be conceived of as anything but profoundly sick and twisted.
But another aspect of the kind of contempt that these people hold for Americans in general, another one of the WikiLeaks leaks had to do with Podesta again, and he is exchanging an email message with Neera Tanden, the president of the Center for American Progress.
And he's mocking the Miss America pageant because so many of the finalists are Southern girls.
He says, Podesta says this, and I'm quoting, Well, now Neera Tanden writes back, not at all. I would imagine the only people who watch it are from the Confederacy, and by now they know that, so they've rigged the whole thing in their fare.
Now, this is interesting on so many levels.
Miss America is only watched by white southern boobs.
You know, white people are about the only folks that you can still mock.
You can put on a fake southern accent and mock white and mock southern white people.
That's okay. You better not try that with any other accent.
And then, here, they've rigged it.
They've rigged it. Now, where have we heard the term rigged before?
One guy who actually puts on a lot of these badges and that's Mr.
Trump. What I find so fascinating about this Who uses the term CSA? I mean, as a southerner, I'm laughing.
It's like, I don't think anyone even in many decades has ever said, oh, hey, you know, we're part of the old CSA, the old Confederate States of America.
And again, it's weird that this is the type of emails they'd have, that they'd be watching this and they'd immediately think of the lack.
It shows that this is almost all they think about, is why are there positive...
Positive images of white people on television.
Well, John Podesta, apparently he's a guy who's incapable of thinking of the southern part of the United States without describing it as the Confederacy.
A rebellion, yeah. A rebellious geographic area.
That's right. Good point. Yes.
But so let's finish up with a story that you call to my attention here.
I thought this was really quite wonderful.
This is Tavis Smiley.
He is the host of the Tavis Smiley Show on PBS, writing not in some obscure blog, but writing in Time magazine.
In Time Magazine, now let me give you the first part of the quotation, the first part of the story here, one of his quotations, which I thought was hilarious on his face.
He says, while I'm not an angry black man, I do have a righteous indignation that burns inside me about the myriad of injustices that result in a daily contestation of people's humanity.
Remember, he's not an angry black man.
What does that even mean? Yes.
What does that mean? But he's not an angry black man.
But he's full, his righteous indignation burns within him because apparently he thinks that white people deny the humanity of black people.
But the really, I think, central aspect of it, well tell us, tell us really the main feature of this story.
Well, when I saw the headline, and it's simply this.
Why I fear America could enslave black people again.
Someone sent this to me, and I thought, is this the onion?
Is this peak Trump hysteria?
Because we've seen so many articles written that worry about the threat Donald Trump has to democracy.
We saw a tweet by Vox writer Matthew Iglesias where he wrote, hey, you know, I think that if Trump wins, there could be Trump supporters attacking communities of color and Jews.
It's like, dude, Matthew, you were a victim of a black mob attack in Washington, D.C. during the time of Obama, and you can't even admit that.
They beat you, dude. This isn't happening.
This isn't going to happen. And you read this little encounter that Tavis Smiley, who is a sought-after speaker, this is a guy who was considered an intellectual, just underneath Tainese Coates.
Tainese Coates is in the Mount Olympus.
This guy's Mount Kilimanjaro.
This guy's written a lot of books.
He's always on PBS documentaries and interviewed, and his opinions are...
Are sacrosancted.
He's seen as a spokesman for black people.
So that's why I think this is so important to read.
Because he says this.
At Lehigh University, a student asks him if he could imagine a time when blacks are enslaved.
And Tavis' response was yes.
And he says...
It wasn't far-fetched for the young student who pressed me at Lehigh that evening, and honestly, with the hair-raising, bone-chilling, spine-breaking, nerve-wracking path we're on right now, I shudder to think where this democracy could end up one sad day if we don't get off this low road and make our way to higher ground soon.
In quotation, and of course this is all because of Donald Trump.
Well, Jared, I shudder to think where...
Things could head because we do have an example of it, and that is Haiti, that is Baltimore, that is Detroit, where there's either whites or What happened in San Domingo back in the 1790s, where, you know, there was a black insurrection to create the first black republic with the Constitution saying that white males couldn't own land.
In Detroit, there are no, well, they have a white mayor now, basically because they've had 30, 40 years of going from Coleman Young to blacker and blacker and more pronounced black elected officials who all they cared about wasn't the welfare of the city.
It was what can we do? What can what can we do as political?
Elected officials to promote the interest of black people at the expense of the city and the same things happening in
Baltimore The same thing is happening in Memphis, even though again
They've elected a white mayor because they've gotten to a point where things are so bad. They have to try something
new I mean to me
This is this is this article is peak Trump hysteria. I don't know how you can get worse than this article
I agree. This is right up there with people saying that Donald Trump is a mortal threat to democracy.
But I would never have expected any black, much less a more or less normally educated Tiva Smiley type black, to say that Donald Trump could be the harbinger of reintroducing slavery in the United States.
When you think about this, though, if Tavis Smiley thinks this, probably millions of other black people would think this, too.
And what does that say about their view of white people?
They really must be convinced that we are just the most low-down, potentially exploitative humans on Earth.
If they really think that white people in America have it in them to reintroduce slavery, They are completely disconnected from the United States of America.
It's another example of, to me, the kind of thinking that shows white people and black people simply cannot see the world in the same way.
I don't know of a single person, and I would be astonished if there is a single person in the United States, white or any other color.
You know, maybe, I don't know, maybe there's some Indians or maybe there's some Hispanics who would want to reintroduce slavery.
I don't know. The idea that anybody would want to do this, the whole country could do this, bespeaks a complete delusion about America that is, it seems to me, to be based in a deep hatred and a complete misunderstanding of what the United States is all about.
Again, evidence that blacks and whites do not live in the same world and should not live in the same country.
In closing, I would recommend that everyone who's listening to this and has Netflix, check out the new documentary that just was released about prison, the prison industrial complex.
I don't recall the name. It's directed by Ava Dunvery, who directed Selma.
And it basically states that our prisons are a continuation of slavery and that this is the fact that there are so many blacks in jail.
It's not because they're breaking the law.
It's because this is the way to enslave them.
And this is the type of intellectual You know, weaponry that the left is utilizing right now to try and drum up some interest.
Because it's fascinating. You think about it.
Why are you releasing this now?
Why didn't you release this earlier in the year?
Well, we're close to the election.
And you've got to find a way to get blacks to want to go to the polls when they really have no vested interest in this.
Because they don't have someone who looks like them to triumphantly go into office.
So then they're going to have a positive role model, as you always hear.
You've got to have people look like you.
You're in a position of power so you have a positive view of yourself.
That's right. Maybe we can both watch it and talk about it next week because this is what a lot of people are talking about.
The whole idea, and this has been dropped, unfortunately, from the debates, is criminal justice reform.
If Hillary does get into power, we are going to see We are going to see the gates of prisons across the country open up in ways that make Barack Obama's commuting of criminal sentences look pale in comparison.
It's that simple. Well, it's certainly true.
If black people really do think that whites would be prepared to reintroduce slavery, If they really do think white police are cruising around black neighborhoods just looking for black people to shoot, which apparently many of them do.
And remember back in the old days, I think it was 35-40% of blacks were convinced that AIDS was invented in a laboratory just to kill black people.
Huge numbers of blacks believed that the federal government was introducing guns and drugs into the black community so that they would all take drugs and shoot each other.
This utter, utter hatred and suspicion of white society, this is something that whether or not Hillary Clinton believes this stuff, she certainly panders to it.
And when you start pandering to this, when you start encouraging it, it's only going to get worse.
The book, I Heard Through the Grapevine, I believe, was published in the early 90s.
It's a fantastic starting point and reference to understand the mindset 25 years ago.
Imagine how much worse it's gotten when you have media now dedicated to promoting these conspiracies that play upon The true depravity of the black community and say, hey, it's not your fault.
You have no moral agency.
You're absolved from any blame.
We have other people to blame. That's that white cop over there eating a donut.
I mean, Jared, three or four days ago in California, a black guy wearing body armor and holding an AR-15 walked up on two cops in a Starbucks.
And thankfully, when he opened fire on them, his gun malfunctioned.
I mean, this kind of stuff is happening all across the country right now, and yet all we hear about in the media, and on black Twitter, and in the black media, Cops are out there trying to gun down defenseless black bodies.
Quote me on that, Ten Easy Coats.
Right. Well, thanks for bringing up I Heard It to the Great Vine.
It is an excellent book.
First-rate book. I think another version should be written today.
Anyway, thanks very much for being on this program again.
Very much appreciate your contributions, as always.
And we'll look forward to having another conversation like this again next week.
So thanks so much, Paul Kersey.
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