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April 22, 2026 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #2487 - Action Bronson

Action Bronson and Joe Rogan explore ancient mysteries, from a carved mammoth tooth to LIDAR scans of Mount Ararat suggesting Noah's Ark. They debate Neanderthal origins, the biblical burning bush as a DMT-rich acacia, and pyramid-like structures in the Amazon and beneath Giza. The conversation shifts to modern issues, including a proposed UK smoking ban for post-2008 births, NYC's garbage crisis, and Mayor Zohran Mamdani's policies. They analyze brutal MMA fights involving Hamza Chimaev and Carlos Ulberg, discuss conspiracy theories about silenced figures like John Podesta, and reflect on the broader implications of government overreach versus human resilience in an age of AI and extraterrestrial speculation. [Automatically generated summary]

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Woolly Mammoth Tooth 00:14:47
unidentified
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action bronson
That wouldn't bring a smile to my face.
joe rogan
Yeah, at all the weird shit that someone's given me, that's at the top.
Well, I got this.
This is a woolly mammoth tooth that my friend John gave me.
unidentified
That's crazy.
joe rogan
A woolly mammoth tooth with a woolly mammoth carved into it.
action bronson
That's craziness.
joe rogan
That's crazy, right?
That tooth's probably 10,000 years old.
No bullshit.
action bronson
But the balls to carve into it, too.
joe rogan
I know.
I would never.
I mean, it's beautiful.
action bronson
That's gorgeous.
joe rogan
The guy did it.
He nailed it.
I mean, it's a beautiful little elephant there.
action bronson
That's fucking unbelievable.
joe rogan
But I would never carve into one of these things.
action bronson
It almost looks like an alligator gar from the side, like a little alligator jaw.
joe rogan
Right.
It does a lot.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
The thing about these teeth, though, is they find so many of them that they don't think of them as precious.
So you're allowed to do stuff with them.
Like, you could buy a knife.
With a woolly mammoth handle.
Like, this is a piece of woolly mammoth that they make for a gun.
So, you could put that on a 1911.
It's a handle made out of woolly mammoth teeth.
action bronson
You just have a neck.
This is an extra handle.
Is this this handle?
joe rogan
It's the pistol handle.
action bronson
Or this handle.
joe rogan
It's the pistol handle.
It's the pistol handle.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And this is a piece.
action bronson
You could make a good handle for this one, too, like the front one for fucking.
unidentified
Okay.
action bronson
If you're holding a sick ass thing.
joe rogan
Sick ass thing, yeah.
Yeah, I definitely could do that, too.
I mean, they basically could make anything they want out of it, they make folding knives out of it.
Jamie has a folding knife out of it.
action bronson
Can you make piano keys out of it?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, you definitely could.
Yeah.
action bronson
Wooly mammoth piano keys.
joe rogan
They use it for.
action bronson
Wooly mammoth woolletzer?
joe rogan
You could, right?
You definitely could.
If you could use ivory, you could use wooly mammoth ivory.
Because they use it in pool queues.
This is a tooth, too.
action bronson
I used to have my own pool queue.
Unscrewed it.
I used to come to the fucking pool hall, unscrew the fucking thing, and get nuts with it.
Having a pool, like having a pool cue is, you're a different level of human being when you're walking around with that.
You're not playing games.
joe rogan
You're not playing games.
action bronson
You're there to play games, but you're not playing.
joe rogan
It's a very serious thing.
It's a cool thing.
You show up with your own cue, like in The Hustler.
The guy shows up with a leather satchel.
action bronson
That's the best thing you guys ever.
unidentified
Come on.
action bronson
That satchel alone.
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
It's male accessories.
unidentified
Right.
action bronson
I love a good male accessory.
joe rogan
Right.
Like we don't have a lot.
action bronson
We have a knife.
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
Knife always looks good on the side.
A gun.
unidentified
Watch.
action bronson
Watch.
joe rogan
Watch the good male.
It's like the most acceptable male jewelry.
unidentified
For sure.
joe rogan
Don't you think?
Watches.
action bronson
I don't want no one with a nose ring.
I don't want to pull up a bit with this one.
Or like the Brahma Bull nose ring.
joe rogan
You could pull off gold chains and diamonds and shit because you're a rapper.
action bronson
No, no, I'm not.
No one knows me as that.
You are a blue collar guy.
I don't even look good with jewelry on.
joe rogan
I look silly.
I do too.
I feel stupid.
I never wear a chain.
I feel stupid.
action bronson
I don't own a chain.
I had a chain back in the day.
It had a little miniature Tasmanian devil piece.
joe rogan
That was the tattoo everybody in high school got.
action bronson
Taz was the first.
I want one now.
joe rogan
Taz with boxing gloves.
action bronson
Oh, for sure.
Boxing gloves with the child's name.
I have that on my.
joe rogan
Yeah, my friend Kenny got that.
It was his first tattoo when we were in high school.
Taz being a devil with a boxing glove.
We were all like, sick.
Because we were like 16.
action bronson
Taz was still to this day.
Like that and barbed wire.
If you had barbed wire and Taz.
joe rogan
Dudes went so far with barbed wire, they got barbed wire around their ankle, which is a big mistake.
action bronson
It was Pamela Anderson with the ball.
Remember that one?
joe rogan
She had it on.
Didn't she have it on her ankle?
Oh, she had it on her arm.
action bronson
On the arm.
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
In that movie.
joe rogan
A lot of dudes had it on the arm.
Fairly okay.
It's kind of a bad decision, but it's okay.
unidentified
Bad decision.
joe rogan
But on the ankle?
action bronson
Any type of ankle accessory, jewelry, other than like a surveillance.
It really, for me, it doesn't work.
My ankle's way too Balkan.
It's a thick ass ankle.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
action bronson
You know, it doesn't hold jewelry well.
joe rogan
No ankle does.
No male ankle holds jewelry well.
I mean, I don't believe in it.
Listen, I'm not telling you what to do.
If you're a guy who likes beads on your ankle, feel free.
action bronson
If I go to Club Med and come back with the braids and the ankle twist, you know, then it's like we're on vacation.
joe rogan
Even on vacation, ankle jewelry is odd for a man.
action bronson
But, you know, people start acting different when they go on vacation.
I have friends that wear different outfits, shorts get shorter, shirts get tighter.
unidentified
Right.
action bronson
Pieces of clothing just remove themselves.
unidentified
Right.
action bronson
It's like wearing, I need to wear the Velcro pants to just rip them off.
joe rogan
Sometimes when you're on vacation, you just don't want to be yourself for a week.
action bronson
I feel that.
joe rogan
Just relax.
Can I just cut this fucking tie off of me?
unidentified
Yeah, get that ass.
action bronson
I also don't want an agenda.
unidentified
Right.
action bronson
I don't want to have, like, we're doing this, we're doing that.
I just want that.
Vacation is not to have a schedule.
joe rogan
I think the schedule should be around eating.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
That's what I believe.
That's my feeling is like cool ancient.
Things like if you're in a cool place like Athens, you know, you definitely got to go see some cool ancient shit.
But get the good grub, speaking my language now, find the spots.
action bronson
I was eating some rare scampi right in front of the Pantheon.
Oh, you know, like there was a beautiful restaurant known for scampi right there.
joe rogan
Wow, wow, that's phenomenal.
action bronson
I was just recently in Mexico City at Teotihuacan.
joe rogan
I want to go there.
I was in Mexico City only once for the UFC, but it was in and out, it was one day, you know, two days.
Mexico City is a dope spot, man.
I don't go places Russian, but there's a lot of.
action bronson
It's New York.
joe rogan
It's kind of like Mexican New York, but bigger.
unidentified
It is.
action bronson
It's all shit.
joe rogan
But bigger.
Bigger than New York, right?
action bronson
There's like 10 million people that live in the place they told us not to go to.
Yeah, they told you, listen, I was like, what the fuck is this massive area here?
He's like, yo, don't go there.
But 10 million people live there.
joe rogan
What is the population of Mexico City?
action bronson
And I was getting that good lung capacity.
joe rogan
I was working out up there.
It's like, I think that's really high above sea level.
action bronson
It is 10,000.
joe rogan
Is it 10?
Mexico City's 10?
Boy, what an advantage you would have if you lived up there.
And then you go down to sea level, you could fuck everybody up.
Your cardio would be off the charts.
action bronson
I couldn't believe myself.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's real now.
action bronson
I was just doing normal things.
I wasn't even working there.
joe rogan
Right, exactly.
You just feel like you've got more blood in you because you do.
Whoa!
Load a mid 20 million people, depending on how you define its boundaries.
unidentified
Wow.
action bronson
It's also unknown.
There's no census that I. Right.
It's also very.
It's lots of shanty situations as well.
joe rogan
Oh, of course.
Yeah.
unidentified
Where?
jamie vernon
At Tihuacan?
unidentified
No.
What?
Yeah.
action bronson
A shooting.
joe rogan
Oh, I did see something like a ghost, just a crazy person, right?
unidentified
Shit.
jamie vernon
Yeah, I believe so, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, Tihuacan, a popular tourist archaeological site outside of Mexico City.
action bronson
That's where you're not allowed to go.
That's the Sun Temple.
joe rogan
You're not allowed to walk there?
action bronson
You're not allowed to walk that way.
joe rogan
Like what they're doing?
action bronson
Just to that area, and then you can't go up.
joe rogan
And so this guy just started shooting people?
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
Oh, wait, you can't go there.
He's fucking elevated.
Yeah, that's the Sun Temple.
jamie vernon
He's there with the gun, and there's a bunch of people, like, laying down on the ground that were, like, Oh, Jesus Christ.
He's like shooting right at him.
unidentified
This is crazy.
joe rogan
He said something to them, too.
I saw something on Google this morning.
He said something to them.
action bronson
That motherfucker was hopping on one leg.
Did you see the hopping?
joe rogan
Oh, fuck.
Jesus Christ.
jamie vernon
Yeah, I didn't see that he was.
joe rogan
Just going to go check out some cool buildings and someone shoots your fucking Achilles tendon off?
action bronson
Bro, that's one of the worst injuries you could probably sustain an Achilles injury.
Especially with a gunshot.
joe rogan
How many people died?
jamie vernon
I think one.
Seven people were shot.
One fatally shot.
joe rogan
The story of that area, that place, is so insane.
I went down this long rabbit hole because I'd read something that the Aztecs didn't build that and that they found it there.
And they called it the place where gods were born.
And so then I went into this deep dive on the Aztec people and whoever was there before them.
It's a total unknown.
There's so much about that area, like the Olmecs.
They don't, who the fuck were they?
They don't know.
They just got these giant stone heads that look like they're either Polynesian or African.
They're fucking huge heads with a helmet on.
And there's a bunch of them, and no one knows who made it.
No one knows what language they spoke.
unidentified
It's crazy.
action bronson
It's truly unbelievable.
I know there's one native language that I worked in kitchens my whole life, so they would always joke with me that they were speaking Totonaka.
And Totonaka is definitely like a tribe from down there, and it's these mythical curing people, like these, the healers.
And we happen to actually, my wife knows Totonaka.
A woman from the lineage of that family.
It's all just crazy shit.
But regardless of that, just the sheer fact of those buildings, I saw with my own eyes that that's not it.
There's more underneath.
That's not just, it's all surface area shit.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
action bronson
That stuff goes, it runs deep.
There's like cities on top of cities on top.
joe rogan
They build them on old ones.
action bronson
I mean, it's just like you tile the floor.
You just leave that bullshit and you just tile right over it.
joe rogan
Well, even when I was in Italy, we were in Ravello.
And there's this beautiful church up there.
You go for a little walk up the hill.
There's a beautiful church, old church, like from the 1800s, but it's built on top of a church that's like a thousand years old.
And there's a glass floor.
You could see through to the bottom with the original ruins.
action bronson
The same thing in Mexico City.
joe rogan
They do that everywhere.
action bronson
Bro, these people making their pilgrimage where they crawl on the floor from fucking hundreds of miles away in Jesus' name just to get to the church.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
action bronson
I don't know what that is.
Some act of like.
Some humbling act where they crawl from hundreds of miles away to the church and everyone comes.
I don't know, millions of people come to this.
It was fucking crazy.
joe rogan
That would be a religious experience.
I don't want to hear that one.
action bronson
It truly was.
I was just in there, we caught sermon and I was getting fucking chills.
Just from the way they spoke and the echo, the way that the acoustics in this room was.
unidentified
Wow.
action bronson
It was meant to give you chills.
They know what they're doing.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They know what they're doing.
jamie vernon
I don't want to go down the full Charlie Kirk rabbit hole, but I saw this video yesterday where he visited Jerusalem.
And they were taking him to this place underground where they mapped it out and used archaeology to find out that, like, I believe this spot here where they're at, Jesus, I think, preached or something.
It's all they found it underground and they just built the city on top of it, like you're just saying.
action bronson
There's all these phenomena, but that is a common thing.
Yeah, yeah, it's a common thing where they find this is where he was.
joe rogan
No, no, I mean, it's a common thing where they take old sites and they just build the new sites on top of them.
It's a really common thing.
action bronson
Well, it's kind of it's fucked up, but it's also like paying homage, I guess, kind of like keeping the same vibe.
joe rogan
Like, well, it's just like rebuilding a house.
action bronson
Yeah, you want to keep some bones.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
It's good bones.
It's like there's good bones there.
joe rogan
Right.
I don't think people probably had a really good sense of what history would mean 2,000 years later back then.
You know what I mean?
Like when they were doing all this shit.
action bronson
They were busy.
They were busy.
They left all kinds of tchotchkes, man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
They left so many tchotchkes.
It's crazy.
unidentified
It's true.
action bronson
I feel stupid.
Like, what am I?
Like, I have to do the same thing with my time.
I have to constantly be, I have to leave cool shit.
joe rogan
Because they left cool shit.
action bronson
Just because I feel it in me as well.
Like, I get it.
joe rogan
Right.
action bronson
I get it.
But when I went to the museum down there, you see all these things.
It's like ornaments, like just literal tchotchkes.
unidentified
Uh huh.
action bronson
Things you would see ornamentally placed by your grandmother on top of things or like on top of doily just for decorative purposes.
But also everyday things and just everything meant something.
Everything meant something to them and everything was done with intention.
I don't think that this was all accidental for them.
They knew, well, they knew who they were praising.
All the little figurines for the fertile women were these women with big, humongous hips and asses and big breasts and stuff like that.
These are the nurturing women.
Then they showed the people who were supposed to be witch doctors.
They fucking looked like witch doctors, all crazy, three skulls holding crazy fucking things.
unidentified
Right.
action bronson
Like they determined my view or these views of who people are.
You understand?
Like status wise and species wise.
Like, this is a barber.
This is a this.
And your idea of what that person looks like, a nurturing woman is known to be a voluptuous woman.
Right.
Their ideas were there already.
They built all their little tchotchkes and their little statuettes that they represent these women very voluptuous.
joe rogan
It would have been interesting to see, to hear their version of the world.
You know what I mean?
Like, I wonder what they knew about the rest of the world.
I wonder how much they knew.
How much they knew about like Europe and Asia and how much they knew about Africa.
Did they know anything about all that stuff?
Like when they were existing, like whoever built Teotihuacan?
action bronson
Yeah, Teotihuacan.
joe rogan
Whoever built that, like how much did they know about the rest of the world?
That's what's interesting because we don't really know.
We assume that they were all isolated.
But more and more as time goes on, they keep finding evidence of earlier and earlier seafaring people.
Like I think they've pushed people in boats back to 60,000 years now.
Let's see if that's true.
Put that in perplexity.
What is the oldest known use of boats?
jamie vernon
Also, speaking of that, they think they found Noah's Ark scans.
action bronson
As long as there's been water, there's probably been something to float on it.
jamie vernon
Noah's Ark scans.
unidentified
What?
jamie vernon
We brought that up before.
joe rogan
Oh, Mount Ararat in Turkey?
jamie vernon
But yeah, it's been going around Twitter the last couple of days.
I think they did some new scans and found some stuff underneath it.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
I want to see that.
But what was the other question?
The other question is the oldest boat.
What do you guess?
Take a guess.
action bronson
Fucking, it's beyond my thought.
It's like I don't even know a number.
Noah's Ark Scans 00:09:55
action bronson
A number doesn't come to mind.
Like, as long as there's been water, what the fuck does that mean?
I don't even know.
joe rogan
I wonder how long it took early man to figure out that trees float, and if you could figure out a tool.
Once they figured out tools, they must have started making stuff.
action bronson
But when we see all these ancient, really like laser diagnostic fucking situations, they knew already.
joe rogan
Yeah, they knew.
That's different.
That's different.
Like Egypt, right?
Archaic humans are crossing substantial sea channels long before our species Homo sapiens appeared on the record.
Whoa.
So, implying intentional crossings as far back as roughly 450,000 years ago.
action bronson
You think about it.
joe rogan
What the fuck?
action bronson
Fucking polar bears and seals, they jump up on a little broken piece of ice and they float.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
action bronson
That's a boat.
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
That's a boat.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what the polar bears are doing.
You're absolutely right.
action bronson
They put their hand in the water as a rudder and let's go this way.
Let's go that way.
joe rogan
Yeah, they know what they're doing.
They know how to tip them over, get the seals to pop off, slide.
action bronson
It's years of evolutionary knowledge.
joe rogan
Yeah.
450,000 years is bananas, though.
I thought it was like 60.
jamie vernon
Well, further up, it said somewhere between 60 and 130,000, but this article here says it could be even more before that.
joe rogan
Well, what was that most recent discovery of a human skull that backdates human beings, not necessarily Homo sapiens, but versions of humans back to a million years?
Was it Homo, not Homo Naledi?
jamie vernon
It was a skull they had, but they did new testing or something.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And they said it's a million years old.
So I don't think it's us, but I think it's, the question is, it coexisted with us.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's about a million years old, is what it says.
joe rogan
So that might mean we're a million years old.
You want to hear about some shit that I just read the other day that's nuts?
You know how the thought is, That there's Neanderthals and that human beings bred with Neanderthals, and that's how the Neanderthal population went out.
There's at least this one researcher who has a different opinion, and he was using genetics to point this out.
He said that he believed that humans may have created Neanderthals, so that humans bred with an even older human species, and Neanderthal is the offspring of the humans, Homo sapiens, and whatever this older thing is.
action bronson
It didn't create a superhuman though.
joe rogan
Well, Neanderthals are kind of a superhuman.
action bronson
But mentally, they're known to be a little bit like Neanderthals, no?
joe rogan
That's a statement that people say.
action bronson
I'd like to know, is Neanderthal really an intelligence or is it dumb?
joe rogan
Yeah, we don't really know.
action bronson
I'm a fucking idiot.
Like, I must be this.
joe rogan
They had bigger brains than us though, which is weird.
But that might have been to have better musculature, better coordination.
They were way stronger than us.
Huge.
They weren't big.
They were like 5'7, 5'8.
action bronson
They're like bone structure, right?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
They're built completely different than us.
They would tear us apart.
They would tear us apart the way a chimpanzee would tear you apart.
They just rip your arms off.
They're insanely strong.
And their bones are much denser than ours.
But it says the gap between genetics and archaeology leaves us with an unclear picture of where the Neanderthals originated.
Calvinist Michael Marshall details a surprising new hypothesis that suggests they may have come from us.
So this was the thing that I had read.
Oh, you have to buy a.
What is this?
New Scientist?
We should probably get a subscription for them anyway.
We use them a lot.
They got good shit on there.
So I think the idea is that they keep finding these other versions of humans.
Like they found this thing called the Denisovan.
And then they found this other one.
What do they call the big headed people?
unidentified
Which one's that?
action bronson
They keep finding these.
They find bones.
joe rogan
China is one of them.
They found the big headed guy they found in China.
They find them all over the world, man.
They find these bones that are just weird.
You've got to think of how few human bones are going to make it from people that are alive right now.
So few of us are ever going to become fossils.
So we're putting together a version of the history that's completely incomplete as far as the evidence is concerned.
There's just not enough evidence of like bones.
If we had like, look, if everybody who ever lived died and left their bones and then future people could study their bones forever, boy, we would know so much more.
We would know so much more.
There'd be bones everywhere, but we would know so much more about how things work.
action bronson
Friends did something with them.
Fucking catacombs, put them underground, build some things, make it decorative.
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Noah's Ark mystery deepens as a researcher blows the lid on a strange rock formation in Turkey.
So, this rock formation is on Mount Ararat.
That's what it looks like?
jamie vernon
This thing here in the middle.
Yeah, and they said it's the same.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
That's not AI?
jamie vernon
Nope.
action bronson
Is this all LIDAR?
jamie vernon
So, this is a picture.
joe rogan
Bro, that's crazy.
That's the actual image?
jamie vernon
I'll show you the other ones.
joe rogan
God, that looks like what somebody would send me in a Facebook group chat.
Where they found Noah's Ark.
I'm like, right.
action bronson
This shit right here, if it's not AI, if it's AI, it should say it.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
If it's not AI, God, it looks like a boat.
So, look, I'm not a geologist or someone who's a landscape expert, but that's a very unusual feature.
What are the odds that something looks exactly like a boat?
jamie vernon
So then underneath it, they scanned it.
And then they're saying that these potentially are hallways or.
action bronson
I mean, that's the shape of a boat.
joe rogan
That's a fucking boat.
Oh, so there's structure inside of it?
jamie vernon
Well, the biggest issue is that this is on the side of a mountain.
So that's not where the ocean is.
joe rogan
Bro, the Great Flood.
jamie vernon
It's 6,500 feet above sea level, it says.
So if you're going to go with the story of the flood, then you'd have to say that we don't know exactly when the flood happened because this would be.
Petrified wood or something, and I read it takes somewhere between thousands and millions of years to get petrified wood.
So, we'd have to be on the lower end of the thousands because it's probably not millions of years.
And then tectonic plates would have had to lift it all the way up here.
joe rogan
No, not necessarily if the flood receded when the water was that high.
jamie vernon
Yeah, if it flooded the entire planet.
joe rogan
Right, but then the question would be where's all that water?
jamie vernon
I don't think it flooded the entire planet.
action bronson
All kinds of strange phenomena push things towards the surface.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
This could be anything.
joe rogan
It could be anything, but boy, it looks like it's.
action bronson
No, but what I mean is like if it was down below, the water could definitely push.
Everything could be pushed as long as that's like nestled in there.
joe rogan
I think a lot of it is the universe fucking with us.
I think it's part of the simulation.
Part of the simulation is the universe fucks with us.
And the universe shows you some things that shouldn't be real by your version of what is and isn't true.
unidentified
AI.
joe rogan
Well, that's one.
action bronson
That's pretty much what we fuck it up.
That's the explanation of it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That is.
But then there's stuff like this.
If this isn't AI, it's almost like the universe.
Is a high like looks like a big abalone, not real.
Whoa, so does that line up with the actual biblical?
jamie vernon
That's where like this is even five years ago that this picture on the screen was taken.
So I think that they're doing whether or not they're taking uh some liberties and what the descriptions are or not, I don't know because boy, it certainly is a weird shape.
action bronson
This is Noah's Ark right here.
This thing, yeah, looks like a riverboat.
Well, that's what I'm playing, like we're playing uh pinochle on the riverboat there on that one.
joe rogan
Well, he had to get all the animals in there, bro.
action bronson
This doesn't seem like that would be the one.
joe rogan
What did you think it looked like?
action bronson
I don't know, like some fucking mega yacht.
joe rogan
I don't know.
action bronson
Bunch of holes and what are the things?
The staffs and holes?
joe rogan
Listen, I think the story of the flood's a real story because it exists in too many cultures.
action bronson
And water is very unexplainable.
Water has no enemy.
joe rogan
And tsunamis.
Tsunamis fucking happen, dude.
And if they happened and you were in that area, you would think it's the end of the world because you don't have contact with people in Europe.
You don't have contact.
So, wherever you are is an apocalypse.
action bronson
It's the great flood.
joe rogan
You think it's the whole world's gone.
jamie vernon
I don't know if there's anything specific about the acacia wood, but I remember looking this up last week, and it very specifically said acacia wood was used to make the ark.
action bronson
Well, I'll tell you this acacia honey is fucking unbelievably delicious.
joe rogan
Well, the reason he's bringing that up is acacia is also rich in DMT, and that's these scientists.
AI Art Controversy 00:03:19
action bronson
No wonder I like it.
joe rogan
There you go, dog.
These researchers out of Jerusalem think that that's what Moses' burning bush was.
So, where Moses saw God as a burning bush, that's what they think that means.
They were burning the acacia bush.
He's hitting the demes.
He was hitting the demes.
He probably did talk to God.
God probably did have some good messages for humanity in the early days when we were basically just savages, wild fucking creatures with stone tools.
Man, we've come a long way.
I mean, human beings are still trying to figure it out.
Obviously, right, we're in the middle of three fucking wars going on in the world, but we're doing better.
I think.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think we're doing better.
We're doing better in day to day stuff, day to day interactions with people are definitely, for the most part, better.
action bronson
I've been, you know, I feel like, I just feel like we're at a place where everyone's going to either come together or we're going to just fucking totally rip our fucking heads off.
joe rogan
Right.
My fear is that.
A lot of chaos is going to happen, and they're going to use that as an excuse to have AI run everything.
And that's where things get really fucking weird.
That's where creativity dissolves, freedom dissolves, you become some little biological time card.
action bronson
Bro, the other day, I fucking posted a picture of a frog that I AI generated just because I wasn't able to get the frog to do what the fuck I wanted to do in real life.
Like, I want the frog holding frog popsicles.
He was being difficult, so I had to fucking use another guy.
And everyone was blasting me, like, yo, not you, not you.
I can't believe you used AI.
Like, yo, you're.
joe rogan
What?
action bronson
People were fucking flipping out on me.
joe rogan
So people are upset that you used AI.
action bronson
I generated a picture of a frog.
joe rogan
Who is mad at you for this?
action bronson
Whoever is on my Instagram.
unidentified
Huh.
action bronson
And my fans and the people who were, you know, just hating on AI.
I get the idea of, like, using it in a conniving way or in a.
You know, but it was a picture.
Of a fucking frog.
There it is.
That's fucking good.
joe rogan
That's good.
action bronson
And I said that that was going to be my album cover, but then.
Why is that bad?
They were like, yo, you're taking away opportunities from other artists.
Well, let me just clear this up.
I wouldn't have hired you no matter what because I do all my artwork anyway.
There was no job to be taken away.
So let's just, if that's the argument, you could throw that one out.
joe rogan
This is just tools.
action bronson
It's good old fun.
joe rogan
Listen, I don't think.
action bronson
This is Photoshop, pretty much.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look, it's beautiful.
action bronson
Thank you, man.
joe rogan
It's very cool looking.
action bronson
But then I did.
joe rogan
I get what people are saying.
action bronson
I get it, too.
joe rogan
I get it.
action bronson
After it was explained to me by a younger generation of mine.
joe rogan
I get you should hire artists to make stuff.
But do you know how long it would take an artist to make that?
Unless the artist is doing exactly what you're doing?
action bronson
I get that, but I wouldn't have hired them in the first place because I do all the artwork on my own.
Everything comes from me.
joe rogan
So it's not a job loss.
unidentified
No, no matter what.
action bronson
It wasn't a job loss, no matter what.
Photoshop vs Reality 00:05:44
action bronson
But I get the.
The idea of it.
I guess shits and giggles, you know, like it's fucking whack that that's what people are worried about.
joe rogan
I don't think, I think it's just a bunch of people looking for things to complain about, A.
And then there's also like a sentiment in the air, which is that AI is coming for everybody's job.
So anytime someone uses AI that could have been used by people, there's a certain percentage of people that are going to kind of rightly be upset.
I think so.
But you're not going to stop it.
This is the thing.
That fucking wave is.
2,000 feet high, and it's moving 100 miles an hour, and you're not going to stop it.
You're not going to stop it.
This is just what AI is.
action bronson
I didn't realize the severity.
I mean, I guess I do now, but.
joe rogan
Bro, it's alive.
action bronson
It's fucked.
It's fucked for sure.
joe rogan
These things are alive.
action bronson
I don't use them.
joe rogan
They're going to be able to do everything for you.
action bronson
I don't usually use any of those things.
I'm pretty, you know, Neanderthal when it comes to this type of thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
See, the thing about the Neanderthals is they don't know if they were dumb.
So they used to think that they were really stupid.
And then they realized that they probably had language and they probably had tools and they probably had a sophisticated society and they buried their young.
And maybe we just assume because they're brutish and strong that they were stupid.
But their brains are bigger than our brains.
action bronson
They might not have been taller.
I've seen myself in Neanderthal.
joe rogan
They have big eyeballs too.
action bronson
Looks are deceiving.
You think that, you know, some schlub.
And here I come, fucking mister.
joe rogan
I've never seen you at the base.
action bronson
Oh my God.
I did it this morning.
joe rogan
That's a big swing that motherfucker did.
That's very impressive.
That's a hard thing to do.
action bronson
To do.
And I got up to like 88 pounds on that bitch, which is ridiculous.
joe rogan
That's a lot.
I started doing this new kettlebell exercise.
You do like an eight in the air with a kettlebell, where you start it like this and you go all the way up and down like that.
action bronson
Oh, yeah, that's crazy.
joe rogan
And over around your head.
unidentified
Woo!
action bronson
Serious deal.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Your core, you don't realize how weak that shit is in those weird movements until you try something like that.
action bronson
That's why the kettlebells are the best things.
Kettlebells.
The clubs, the mace.
unidentified
Awkward stuff.
action bronson
Awkward.
I love all that stuff.
All the sandbag work.
I'm still doing that every day.
Since I was here last, I know it doesn't seem it, but I've lost like 20 pounds.
joe rogan
Congratulations.
action bronson
Well, I got up to 300 again.
Damn, y'all.
Now I'm back down to 265.
I know you can't see it, but I'm kind of jacked.
joe rogan
Well, you're very thick.
action bronson
I'm jacked.
I'm jacked.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're very, like, you're a bull.
action bronson
I know, man.
But I try, I'm trying to be.
joe rogan
You put the work in.
It's just, but the problem is you also work with food, delicious food.
action bronson
I was eating so much pasta.
You worked with food.
joe rogan
Did you?
action bronson
I did.
joe rogan
So much is the funny way of saying it.
action bronson
I've not eaten so much faster than that.
joe rogan
By whose definition is so much?
action bronson
I've cut it out a lot.
I'm trying to dial it in heavily.
I'm trying to really dial it in.
This is my life.
It's all about being dialed in.
I can't let it go because once I let it go, it's going.
joe rogan
I hear you.
action bronson
It's going.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You know, like, it's hard once you get that fucking, those carbs, once you get that pizza and that pasta rolling.
action bronson
You know what?
Once I stop, I don't even fucking need that shit right now.
I don't even crave it.
I'm not really interested in that.
A simple piece of toasted whole wheat bread does it for me.
Just jam that.
I don't need pizza.
I've eaten enough pizza in my life for fucking 45 children.
45 children's lifetimes couldn't equate the amount of pizza I've eaten.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
action bronson
So, I mean, I feel like I've eaten enough of everything that I've needed to.
Now it's time to just fuel.
It's all about the fuel.
joe rogan
You're dialing in.
action bronson
I'm working out with like serious dudes, dudes that are like jacked out of control, and I'm the only one that's rounded.
joe rogan
Do you have a trainer that you work with?
action bronson
No, no, no.
I just train with dudes who train every day.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
action bronson
One dude's an IFBB pro and.
joe rogan
Oh, bodybuilder.
action bronson
Bodybuilders.
But I'm trying to do a little bit of that.
I introduce my stuff, you know.
No one could really do the Mace and stuff because that takes a long time to like perfect that work.
And everyone's way too tight.
joe rogan
Right.
action bronson
So I do that on my own.
I do like three days of that with the kettlebells and I do normal shit.
Deadlift.
My knee's a little fucked, so I'm doing zurchers.
Zurchers is my favorite squad anyway.
joe rogan
Zurchers are great.
action bronson
It's my favorite.
joe rogan
It's really good for grappling and just for elevating your testosterone.
It's a jiu jitsu, bro.
action bronson
It's known to be like one of the.
It's definitely like a jiu jitsu and it's a.
Every MMA fighter should be doing that.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's big for wrestlers.
The ability to take people down and also stuff takedowns, the same sort of strength.
action bronson
That.
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
It's phenomenal.
It's my favorite squat by far.
joe rogan
It's great.
The shoulder stuff that you're doing, all that May stuff, you must have like really strong shoulders.
I think your shoulders never fuck with you.
action bronson
Not anymore because I healed myself with the Honit motherfucking club.
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
Like literally, John Wolf helped me.
I would just hit him up like, yo.
joe rogan
Those things are great.
It's great just because most of the time when you're lifting, you're just picking stuff up.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, you're doing bench press.
With this, like you're swinging it over your head and you're pausing it out in front and swinging it over your head.
action bronson
Think about when you're doing jiu jitsu, you get your hand, your arm put over there, and you have that strength.
joe rogan
It's never in like bench press position.
unidentified
Never.
action bronson
You're never like pushing perfectly.
You're always in like weird.
joe rogan
That's why yoga is really good for jiu jitsu.
action bronson
I've been trying to do a little bit more of everything.
joe rogan
Yoga is so good for you, man.
action bronson
Pilates, yoga.
joe rogan
Pilates is surprisingly hard.
action bronson
Oh, it's one of the hardest things I've ever done.
Plus, you fucking put the goddamn things on my ankles.
I was laying on my back doing scissors.
John Wolf Training Tips 00:03:26
action bronson
Don't tell anybody.
But yeah, I was next to my wife.
joe rogan
Tighten up that man pussy.
action bronson
Bro, my man pussy was like fucking that.
It was like rock solid.
And I told her, I was like, yo, this hurts my asshole.
Like, you're fucking literally making me work out a crazy muscle.
And she's like, yep, yep, you feel it, right?
joe rogan
You gotta go home with a sore asshole.
unidentified
Ow.
joe rogan
You're sitting on the bowl.
unidentified
Ow.
action bronson
You gotta wear the donut.
You gotta sit on the cushion.
unidentified
No.
Remember those donuts?
joe rogan
They used to have those at their house on the seat.
They'd have that like cushiony.
action bronson
On the toilet seat?
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
That one that we hit it, he goes, yeah.
unidentified
Remember that one?
action bronson
Pink.
Grandma pink.
Oh, my God.
I just remember the smell of old ass coming off a toilet, like a grandma's ass or a grandfather's ass.
joe rogan
Yeah, old.
action bronson
I remember my father's shit smell.
Because it always, yeah, he always would throw a cigarette in the toilet afterwards, so it would smell like a shitty cigarette.
joe rogan
That was back in the day where everybody smoked in the house.
action bronson
Oh, my God.
We used to have a ring.
He would sit, and there was a ring up there from the Rothman Blues.
joe rogan
What's a Rothman Blue?
action bronson
It was a fucking cigarette.
Yeah, English cigarette.
joe rogan
Wow.
Isn't it crazy how doctors used to recommend cigarettes?
You used to be able to buy cigarettes at a hospital?
action bronson
Oh, yeah.
I've purchased them at hospitals with the thing.
joe rogan
In bed.
When the guy's in bed.
action bronson
Or you could buy them in, like, they would come around.
Like a six year old kid would come around with the thing?
joe rogan
Like a lady would come by with, like, a box of different kinds of cigarettes in it.
And the guy was, like, picking out cigarettes that he could have while he's in his hospital bed.
unidentified
Damn.
action bronson
Those are the days.
joe rogan
See if you can find one of the pictures.
action bronson
Those are the days.
I remember the pull machine was always my favorite when I got sent to the store to go do this, do that.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at this.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
This has to be an ad, right?
Is it an ad?
action bronson
That's the goal.
joe rogan
Or maybe it's a newspaper photograph or something like that.
action bronson
Was that Pall Mall?
joe rogan
Another one.
unidentified
Different guy.
joe rogan
1950s cigarettes are marketed as being good for you.
Look at the nurse is lighting this guy's cigarette.
unidentified
Happily.
action bronson
Well, he doesn't look sick.
His hair is done nicely.
unidentified
So when did.
joe rogan
When did people in America?
We looked up this who figured out the first cigarette, didn't we?
jamie vernon
Is it the same guy, different nurse?
joe rogan
Oh, this is all bullshit.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Maybe it's just one guy had a freaky nurse.
jamie vernon
Who the nurses?
action bronson
It just reminds me of why.
Why is America so medicated?
Why are we just so fucking medicated on everything?
joe rogan
Because it works.
unidentified
Does it?
joe rogan
I mean, it doesn't do what you want it to do, but as far as mental medications.
action bronson
That shit works?
joe rogan
There's a lot of stuff that works.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
Prozac has a legitimate effect on people, they get accustomed to it.
unidentified
Good or bad.
Adderall.
joe rogan
Depends on who.
It depends on the dose.
You know, it's like if you want to say good or bad, I know a lot of people that are very successful that use Adderall.
I don't necessarily know if it's bad.
I think it depends on who you are, whether or not you can just use it when you need it, like to write or something like that.
I know journalists that use it.
But if it's one of those things that you're addicted to, like benzodiazepine, you know, like.
action bronson
Michael Jackson?
joe rogan
Well, no.
action bronson
That was the Michael Jackson one?
unidentified
No, he had.
action bronson
Oh, that was the Latin.
joe rogan
He, well, he died from being sedated.
He died from propofol.
action bronson
Oh, he was just, and then pumped with other stuff.
joe rogan
I don't think he could sleep at night.
I think he was just so mentally ill.
Michael Jackson Turtles 00:07:12
unidentified
That's fucked.
joe rogan
That guy was too famous, man.
There is that little too famous.
action bronson
Wait, it's deep.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he also died.
action bronson
Everyone on earth knows who Michael Jackson is.
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
I don't think there's anyone who doesn't know who Michael Jackson is.
Even now.
If you're born now, you know who he is.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, he was so famous that even after all the sexual allegations, all of his music still played on the radio.
action bronson
It was no one gives a fuck.
joe rogan
It was so good.
action bronson
He's the only one no one cares.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Look, R. Kelly stuff, you rarely hear it anymore.
action bronson
And I'm not going to say anything.
joe rogan
Please don't.
action bronson
I will not.
unidentified
I do.
action bronson
He's a disgrace.
I mean, it's disgraceful, but his music was phenomenal.
It was like that changed motherfuckers' whole vibe of RB.
Like, disgusting, unbelievable, nasty, disgraceful things.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But if you separate the artist from the art.
action bronson
And that's the fucking worst thing.
You can't do that.
You cannot say that.
It comes as a whole package.
joe rogan
But my question is how many of those guys were like that way back in the day?
unidentified
You know what I mean?
action bronson
Probably a large amount.
You see the sickness.
I don't understand why motherfuckers get a little bit of money and start doing weirdo shit.
Like, I like to garden.
joe rogan
Like, island chess?
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
Like, I like gardening.
I like stonemasonry.
I like working out and cooking.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But, like, I'll tell you why.
action bronson
I'm obviously not on that level, but I don't see my mentality changing so far off where I'm fucking going to the island, you know?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
It's never going to happen.
action bronson
It's bizarre.
joe rogan
Even if there was a new island.
But the thing is, you made money by doing what you love.
That's a very different kind of money.
These people are just trying to make money.
So, when you're just trying to make money, it's all about experiences and items that you possess.
So, you want to buy your own island?
You want a jet?
What else do you want?
You want a Ferrari?
You want a bunch of shit?
unidentified
Things, things.
joe rogan
You want things, and you keep getting more things.
And you want to do things that you're not supposed to do.
Like, you want to eat an endangered species.
You know, there's like a restaurant in China, and they'll serve you tiger, they'll serve you gorilla, like whatever you want to eat.
Endangered species.
action bronson
I mean, I've seen it.
joe rogan
I don't know if things are true, but there was a story that was written about this place where you could go in China.
And this is a story.
See if you can find it.
There's a story about, like, it's one of those things where it's like a gathering.
It's not like a restaurant.
action bronson
It's a gathering.
joe rogan
It's a gathering that happens, like, once every year or something like that.
And they go and they would eat endangered species.
action bronson
Bro, I think I've seen it.
joe rogan
Which is fucking crazy.
action bronson
I know my.
joe rogan
But that's a billionaire crazy person money thing.
Like, we're going to go eat a tiger.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
It's like.
action bronson
Fucking ridiculous.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's weird.
action bronson
It's crazy.
I couldn't imagine.
I couldn't imagine.
I don't even like to hurt anything.
I don't want to.
joe rogan
Right, but that's because you're not.
That kind of a rich guy.
You're a guy who made a bunch of money just by being himself.
And that's a totally different enterprise than someone who's just trying to make a bunch of money.
The people that are just trying to make a bunch of money, they're never happy.
You're never satisfied.
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
Yeah, they are.
I mean, I don't know where anybody comes from, but I live in a two fucking bedroom apartment my entire life up until recently.
Still might, I still do.
joe rogan
Here it is crackdown on menu for China's animal eaters.
jamie vernon
It's from 2014, though.
So they made a real kind of ribble it needed to be.
action bronson
I think the ribble it needed to be.
Look at those fucking striations that went, oh, no wonder.
unidentified
Porcupine.
joe rogan
They changed the law because of it?
jamie vernon
Well, I mean, I don't know if because of it, but that's why it's probably not talked about as much anymore.
joe rogan
The diners of southern China have long had a reputation for exotic tastes, with locals sometimes boasting they will eat anything with four legs except a table.
LOL.
unidentified
LOL.
Fucking jerk.
joe rogan
So, pangolin.
So, pangolin's endangered, right?
Are they endangered?
Wasn't that one of the things that they thought was the wet market?
jamie vernon
On top it says they had endangered tortoises and snakes and porcupines in cages.
joe rogan
And imagine you're so nasty you want to eat an endangered snake.
Eating a snake alone is gross.
But you're so nasty you want to eat an endangered snake.
action bronson
I've had snake soup.
I was in Japan and I had fucking a good snake soup.
It was smoked.
joe rogan
Was it good?
action bronson
It tasted like beef.
unidentified
Really?
action bronson
It did.
It was supposed to be, you know.
Make you very versatile.
joe rogan
Oh, versatile.
action bronson
What's the word?
unidentified
Veril.
joe rogan
Versatile as well, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
It was a black snake, of course.
joe rogan
Oh, black snake.
Was it a poison snake?
action bronson
Dad, I'm not sure.
But there was a bunch, it was like, this was a Michelin star restaurant, two Michelin stars, and of course it was like French, Japanese creations and fucking quite endangered.
unidentified
Really?
action bronson
As endangered as I could get.
unidentified
Endangered?
action bronson
A little turtle.
A little sea turtle.
joe rogan
But some turtles are not endangered.
action bronson
I know, but I don't even like to do it.
It's fucking.
It's just.
It turns me off.
joe rogan
Dude, I used to have turtles as pets.
I used to have turtles.
And at one point in time, I had piranhas.
Turtles are way more psychotic than piranhas.
When I would feed my turtles, I'd feed my turtles goldfish and they'd swim around and grab the goldfish and just bite them in half.
unidentified
Mm hmm.
joe rogan
It was crazy to watch.
action bronson
I got those powerful jaws.
joe rogan
And I'm looking at them.
I'm like, of course, you're a little dinosaur.
Just look at you.
You look like a dinosaur.
You have this crazy stegosaurus shell over your back.
And I remember that.
And you're swimming through the water.
action bronson
Some neck comes out like that.
joe rogan
Dude, they were super aggressive.
See if you can find videos of turtles fucking up goldfish.
action bronson
What about those big mouths?
joe rogan
They have them with their hands.
action bronson
Like the big snappers.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
action bronson
The big snapping turtles.
Those are for like Bowser.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen one in real life?
action bronson
I've seen the big tortoise in Hawaii, but I've never seen a big snapping one.
joe rogan
I saw a medium one, not a real big one, but they look so freaky.
Their fucking teeth?
That beak thing?
That mouth?
action bronson
They have a jacked up neck, too.
Big fucking huge neck.
joe rogan
Big fucking huge clamped down neck.
There's one different type.
What is that one really crazy looking snapping turtle?
Is it a gar snapping turtle?
jamie vernon
I've never seen this one before.
joe rogan
Whoa, what the fuck is that?
jamie vernon
A Mata Mata turtle?
joe rogan
Whoa.
jamie vernon
What the fuck kind of head is that?
It's a triangle head.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a weird nose.
That's weird.
jamie vernon
I've never seen that.
joe rogan
It's eating a goldfish, too?
There you go.
Oh, he just swallows it whole.
What a weird looking creature.
If you told me yesterday that this didn't exist, I would have believed you.
If you told me yesterday, this is AI.
action bronson
What's the reasoning that a lot of these species go flatheads?
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
Good question.
jamie vernon
Mixing the bottom of the.
joe rogan
Because you slip right into the shell, I'm sure.
action bronson
I guess so.
joe rogan
I'm sure you fit better in the shell.
action bronson
You go hammerhead and heads like that and fucking stingrays and shit just turns flat.
Flounder.
NYC Rat Biomass 00:10:33
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
That's a weird one.
Two eyeballs on one side.
action bronson
What the fuck is that?
joe rogan
So, this is a very timid turtle eating the goldfish.
He's just.
The ones that I had, they swam after the goldfish and grabbed them.
action bronson
Look at this fucking thing.
joe rogan
Whoa!
Alligator snapping turtle.
action bronson
Yeah, that's the one.
This one is the one that turns into fucking Donatello.
joe rogan
Look at the face on that fucking thing.
jamie vernon
See his tongue down there?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, so his tongue looks like a goldfish?
jamie vernon
A little worm.
joe rogan
So it tricks him?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Come get some.
unidentified
Look.
joe rogan
Oh, snap.
Nature's so evil.
It gave me a lure in my mouth.
action bronson
Nature has no mercy, man.
unidentified
Nope.
action bronson
No mercy.
joe rogan
No mercy.
jamie vernon
We were talking about smoking.
I saw this today that the UK has voted to ban anyone born after 2008 to be banned from smoking.
unidentified
What?
jamie vernon
It hasn't passed.
It has to.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
I'm going to light up a cigar.
It pisses me off.
action bronson
That's a crazy one.
jamie vernon
I thought it was kind of fake when I saw it, but I looked it up.
There are articles about it.
It's a draft law, they say.
Which doesn't mean it's an actual law yet, I think.
joe rogan
I'm opening up a fresh box for them.
Fuck you.
That's crazy.
But that's just, we were talking about this yesterday.
action bronson
They love having their thumb on you.
joe rogan
It's government.
It's like when they expand government, they got to give government something to do.
So what do they do?
They come up with more rules and regulations.
And they come up with more people to enforce those rules and regulations.
Even if they don't make any sense.
action bronson
I'm going to go with bills, pass this, pass that.
I got to fucking, everyone has an idea.
Every new politician has their ideas.
joe rogan
And they all want to fucking control you.
That's what they want to do more than anything.
They want to control you.
That's their favorite sport.
Their favorite sport is telling you what to do.
action bronson
I just had a beautiful dinner with our mayor of New York, Mamdani.
joe rogan
How is he?
You like him?
action bronson
He's 34 years old, bro.
I've never thought that I'd be sitting at a table with a mayor who's younger than me and knows about fucking rap.
joe rogan
Didn't he rap for a while?
action bronson
I don't acknowledge that.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
action bronson
No, but he's, you know.
He was a very nice guy.
He had a nice dinner.
I didn't speak politics.
I'm not really one of those guys.
We just talked shit.
Oh, okay.
What the fuck do I know?
I don't know shit.
joe rogan
I don't know shit either.
action bronson
Exactly.
joe rogan
The thing that I would be most concerned is who's financing him?
What is their agenda?
What are they trying to get him to do?
Because it's always money.
It's always about money.
People are discovering New York City Mondani's.
action bronson
Oh, that's a fucking crazy picture, right?
joe rogan
He's rapping with an apron on.
What's that about?
action bronson
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
action bronson
It's a wild one.
joe rogan
Shame the guy for his mistakes of the past.
Let's just, you know, he's just doing some wild stuff, like with taxes and things.
Like he's trying to tax these billionaires.
action bronson
I saw that.
What I'd like him to do is.
unidentified
You want to use it for that?
Yeah, sure.
Why not?
action bronson
What I'd like him to do is fucking help alleviate.
Thank you, senor.
Help alleviate taxes for people who are born and raised New Yorkers.
I shouldn't have to pay for everyone else's bullshit.
unidentified
Right.
action bronson
At least give me a little break.
joe rogan
Not just that, but they should be responsible with where the tax dollars go.
So before asking you for more taxes, clean up all the fraud.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
That's not a fucking big request.
That's like a pretty simple thing to ask for.
But nobody says that.
All they ever say is we need to tax you more.
action bronson
This year was a mess.
He came into all of us when it was a shitstorm of literal horrible weather.
And the fucking city was an honest garbage hole, it was a shit mess.
joe rogan
It got real bad with snow, right?
action bronson
Fucking seven feet high piles of garbage, like disgrace.
joe rogan
Now, why was that?
action bronson
Because I don't know.
I would say the union rep wasn't allowing the workers to fucking go and clean shit.
You know, when they're at odds, listen, I don't know.
I'd like to get to the bottom of this.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know either.
action bronson
You know, when they're at odds, they're at odds.
joe rogan
Well, so there was a union strike.
action bronson
They don't allow.
Any of the sanitation people to move a muscle unless their union rep says it's okay.
You go and sit in the fucking truck and take a nap until we tell you to move.
joe rogan
Right.
unidentified
That's.
I'm with them.
Me too.
joe rogan
Listen, I'm with them.
Because out of all the fraud that's existing in that city, all the waste that they've showed, that is one thing you should fucking pay people for because the job sucks.
unidentified
Okay?
joe rogan
And it's super necessary.
action bronson
It's the most important thing.
joe rogan
It's a Jorge Hospital.
Yeah, super necessary.
You fucking have to pick up the garbage, goddammit.
Pay those fucking people.
I mean, are they asking for unreasonable amounts when you find out how much money you spent on the fucking homeless situation and never got better at all?
Who's what are they getting?
I bet they're getting paid more than the garbage people.
action bronson
I'm sure, but they get good pension.
Everyone works for a pension.
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
It's all for security.
Pension is fucking dental.
How many times are you going to do dental?
joe rogan
Yeah, but you should also get paid.
If you're fucking moving garbage, you should get paid well, period.
And for people to go, oh, it's an unskilled job, that's a backbreaking job.
You're slinging around bags all day and picking up cans and.
Yanking on levers.
action bronson
Far from unskilled.
Yeah.
unidentified
It's hard.
joe rogan
It's also dangerous.
You're hanging off the back of the truck sometimes.
You're out there in the weather.
It's fucking hard.
You could hurt your back.
It's fucking hard.
It's a hard job.
They should get paid well.
And anybody who doesn't think that is a cunt.
action bronson
But you should definitely be paid well.
joe rogan
That's the thing about this world.
Everybody's greedy.
They want it all for themselves.
jamie vernon
One thing they're doing, I just found online.
They're adding these giant bins, which maybe is better than piles, but.
action bronson
My boy.
joe rogan
Yeah, that would definitely be better than piles.
action bronson
They're always adding these fucking bins.
joe rogan
Yeah, but the problem with that.
action bronson
Goddamn Eric Adams made you buy a $100 garbage can for your house back in the day from his cousin.
joe rogan
The problem is.
action bronson
This is what I was told from my man in Middle Village.
unidentified
How much?
action bronson
$100.
My boy Connie Gorgeous told me.
unidentified
$100.
action bronson
You have to buy a fucking new garbage can for your house one way or another, no matter why, from Eric Adams' cousin.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
Show that again, Jamie?
unidentified
$100.
joe rogan
So that actually makes more sense, though, that they're doing this big, because that also probably the problem is if it does keep the rats out, then what are the rats going to eat?
Then you're going to have a bigger rat problem.
New York's got a fucking giant rat problem.
action bronson
I've been seeing less lately.
joe rogan
Because they're hiding?
action bronson
Yeah, I've been seeing less.
Well, it's about to be summertime, so they're going to come out.
Once again, if they pick the fucking garbage up, there'll be less rats.
Yeah, but if they stop doing all the construction, I mean, that's what breeds these rats that come out.
joe rogan
For sure.
action bronson
You're digging these fucks up, you're disturbing their house.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they rely on people to eat.
The thing is, it's a completely coexisting, like the monkeys in the filthy beach.
It's an ecosystem.
The rats and the people are an ecosystem because the rats eat human garbage and they live piled up around humans for a reason so they could eat our garbage.
And during the pandemic, it was a real fucking problem because no one was going to restaurants for a while.
So the rats were everywhere.
They were freaking out.
They're eating each other.
Rats do eat each other.
I had a rat eat, well, a bunch of rats ate a dead rat in my garage once.
Yeah, he died.
Big fat rat, too.
He died.
I heard the trap go off, but it was like 10 o'clock at night.
I was like, fuck it, I'll deal with it in the morning.
I got up in the morning.
There was nothing left but his tail.
There was like some skin, the feet, and the tail.
They ate his entire body.
action bronson
Yeah, now there was a whole like garage full, like one of those, I don't know, like a storage space, but in the street.
unidentified
Mm hmm.
action bronson
You just heard them.
Fucking the gate would be knocking back and forth like they're having a goddamn underground fucking strike force in there.
joe rogan
That's why when people get upset about coyotes, listen.
action bronson
Bro, I heard them recently.
joe rogan
You need them.
action bronson
Bro, the fucking pack of coyotes howling and screaming during feeding.
joe rogan
In New York City.
action bronson
Well, upstate.
joe rogan
They do it in New York City, too.
No, well, they find them in the Central Park.
action bronson
Yeah, like an hour and a half away.
It was really something else.
joe rogan
There's a lot of them up there.
But you need them, otherwise, you're gonna have rats everywhere.
Like, there's a balance to all this shit.
Just don't leave your cat outside.
action bronson
No.
I saw a fucking owl like this outside.
unidentified
Really?
action bronson
Fucking in the daytime.
jamie vernon
Let me reset this.
joe rogan
What is this?
jamie vernon
Rats hide.
I think this was.
joe rogan
Oh, yes.
They hide in your engine.
action bronson
Bro, rat ate my fucking boy's BMW engine.
All the wiring.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
They chewed up all the insulation.
That's just that's not dead rats, right?
What is that?
It's not alive ones, isn't that the stuff though?
I think that's the stuff of the ceiling.
Okay, yeah, I think it's the insulation above the roof of the engine.
It's just they've nested in this guy's place.
jamie vernon
Yeah, this says that the trash bins are gonna get rid of a lot of the things.
joe rogan
You're not gonna lower the thing.
Is didn't we figure out that the number of rats in New York City is pretty similar to the number of people?
action bronson
I would probably say it outdoes it.
unidentified
How could you?
action bronson
It's just so small.
joe rogan
They don't really know.
But someone had told me that the biomass of rats was the same as the biomass of people in New York City, meaning the weight.
But we looked that up and that doesn't seem to be true.
action bronson
But if it's true, then it takes much more to make up one human being.
So there's going to be 10 times more.
joe rogan
Sometimes people read things or write things down and it's just not accurate.
Because, like, there are a lot of cases where small things.
Things have a crazy biomass.
Like, I think the biomass of ants is similar to the biomass of human beings on Earth.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Find out if that's true.
Put that into perplexity.
action bronson
You ever seen the ants that have that little honey butt?
They have a little ball of honey on their ass?
joe rogan
Oh, I have seen that.
What's that for?
action bronson
It's a taste.
It's going to be delicious.
joe rogan
Come get some.
action bronson
Give me that fucking ass.
joe rogan
Imagine if ladies started having that.
That's the new thing.
action bronson
Oh my god, I'd eat so much ass.
joe rogan
No nose ring.
Now they just have a honey pot on their ass.
Lyme Disease Risks 00:05:35
action bronson
That's how you capture me.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Oh, Ants on Earth together have about 20% of the biomass of all humans when measured as dry carbon mass.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
What about insects in general?
Maybe that's where they fucked up.
What is the biomass of all insects compared to the biomass of people?
action bronson
What are you typing this in?
What is this?
joe rogan
Our lovely AI sponsor, Perplexity.
unidentified
Oh, beautiful.
Yeah.
joe rogan
On a global scale, total biomass of all insects is several times larger than human biomass.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Fuck that.
action bronson
And all these Smithsonian bugs.
I love fucking bugs.
unidentified
Do you?
action bronson
I love bugs.
joe rogan
We're lucky they're little.
action bronson
I know, you're right.
There's a real, like, there's a generous amount of species up where I'm at, and I really enjoy them recently.
You can't be upset at them because if the area was unhealthy, they wouldn't be there.
joe rogan
Well, you're in upstate?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Upstate's beautiful, but check yourself for ticks.
action bronson
Oh, I do all the time.
unidentified
I do.
joe rogan
Upstate's a whole lot of lime.
action bronson
My boy got bit by a tick recently.
He caught it three days later.
He already had it, but he's good now.
joe rogan
Did he go and immediately get the antibiotics?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
That's what you got to do.
When you get that Lyme disease, you got to get it.
action bronson
Where do you think they usually capture you?
Like around the crevasses?
joe rogan
Yeah, like your legs, your ankles, where they climb up on your pants.
action bronson
But as long as they don't go up in the fucking netherlands.
Yeah, the nether region.
joe rogan
That would suck.
But I think it's a systemic issue more than it is the initial bite.
The bite, though, to know that if you got Lyme disease, a couple days after the infection, it starts getting like a bullseye around it.
And that to a lot of people is the big sign that you've got Lyme disease.
But sometimes when they get to the doctor, that circle's gone and the doctor doesn't believe him.
I've had this happen to a friend of mine who's a very smart guy.
And him and his son both got Lyme disease.
And he couldn't get the fucking doctor to believe that it was Lyme disease until his kids started getting what's that mouth thing?
Guillaume Barr.
How do you say that?
jamie vernon
Guillaume Barr syndrome?
unidentified
Is that what you say?
joe rogan
Julian?
Guyan Barr syndrome?
When it was C. Half your face gets paralyzed.
action bronson
Oh, fucking.
Yeah, Bell's palsy.
joe rogan
Right, but there's a name for it.
I think it's Guyan Barr, it's very similar because.
I knew a guy who had that and it was the same thing, and he was diagnosed with Guillain Barr.
action bronson
Does it go back?
joe rogan
Yeah, it went back.
Dice Clay had it for a while.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, Dice Clay had half of his face, and he was going on stage with it.
He didn't give a fuck.
Guillain Barr syndrome, facial weakness or paralysis.
action bronson
That you don't even notice.
joe rogan
With Dice, he talked about it.
He brought it up.
It was pretty obvious.
action bronson
That's what I'm saying.
He was just fucking talking about it.
It was pretty obvious.
joe rogan
Like half his face was like Dice.
It was crazy.
Half his face just wouldn't move.
Fuck.
action bronson
You know?
unidentified
Not good.
action bronson
Fuck your shit happens, man.
You gotta just deal with things as they come.
You can't really, like, who the fuck knows what this world is about and why things happen.
joe rogan
You gotta be careful with ticks.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because those bitches, they're trying to get you.
And those little fuckers, a large percentage of them on the East Coast carry Lyme disease.
action bronson
For sure.
For sure.
They're diseased little pricks.
I spray myself with a nice geranium spray.
joe rogan
Geranium?
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
There's an elixir.
There's like a natural lavender, geranium oil, all kinds of shit that you spray on yourself that repels.
joe rogan
Make sure that doesn't make them want to bite you more?
action bronson
No, no, it repels.
joe rogan
For sure.
action bronson
It brings other things, but it takes those guys away.
joe rogan
It brings in ankle bracelets?
action bronson
Yeah, bro.
unidentified
My God.
action bronson
Ankle bracelets and fucking Brahma Bull nose ring.
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
When I was in Mexico City, I was dressed.
I bought a fucking jade, like Yade.
It's from over there.
I bought a jade necklace that was a little bit too tight.
So it looked like a choker.
unidentified
Like a dog?
action bronson
Yeah, my boy told me I looked like I had my nipple pierced in the picture that I showed you.
unidentified
He looked like a bear.
action bronson
Yeah, I looked like a fucking bear.
I had circular glasses, a scruff.
You could see a little bit of this scruff.
Two chokers.
This is what I'm saying.
You act different on vacation.
unidentified
I had two.
action bronson
I had a fucking amber choker and a jade choker.
joe rogan
You would be killing it in the bear community.
If you ever want to switch teams, you would dominate the bear community.
unidentified
Right?
action bronson
Just do it for fun.
Like, fuck it.
We'll fuck some guys up.
What's up?
joe rogan
What were we just asking?
unidentified
What was the question?
joe rogan
I thought I had a question.
action bronson
I forgot.
You got all off track with that comment.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's bear talk.
Bear talk OSD.
action bronson
Bear talk 101.
joe rogan
What were we just talking about before that, though?
action bronson
Bugs.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Bugs, ticks, Lyme disease.
action bronson
GN bar.
joe rogan
There's another one that's out now.
There's another disease that's out that people are getting called Alpha Gal, and it's from a tick called the Lone Star tick, and it makes you allergic to red meat.
That one you cannot get, my friend.
action bronson
No, that's fucked up.
I don't want that.
joe rogan
Not for you.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
That would ruin everything in your opinion.
action bronson
I've had so many fucking boning fillets.
It's been crazy.
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
action bronson
I need those gains.
There's no other gains like that, right?
Bison.
I've been eating a lot of like gains things.
I guess.
joe rogan
My diet is.
action bronson
Sweet potatoes and game.
joe rogan
There you go.
Sweet potatoes are phenomenal.
action bronson
That's what I.
Alpha Gal Meat Allergy 00:15:09
action bronson
I exchanged the pasta for the sweet potato.
joe rogan
Do you eat rice?
action bronson
A little bit.
A touch.
A touch.
joe rogan
I hear conflicting things.
I like it.
action bronson
White rice.
joe rogan
There's a lot of things that I eat that I like.
I just eat them because I like it.
Like when I'm eating spaghetti, I'm under no illusion.
action bronson
Yeah, no, you know what you're eating.
joe rogan
I know what I'm doing.
I'm not under an illusion.
action bronson
You like a good pasta.
unidentified
I know that.
joe rogan
I do.
action bronson
Evan Funk pasta, right?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I know you like a good Evan Funk pasta.
That dude can cook.
action bronson
I had him on my show early on, like before all his success and just kicked it off.
I loved his.
He's a fucking trick man.
joe rogan
And he is an aficionado.
action bronson
Yeah.
There's another guy, Stefano Secchi in New York.
Oh, my gosh.
Stefano Secchi is another sicko.
Make amazing al matarano.
You know, it's all about the wooden dowel.
That's how they make the pasta.
It's all old style.
Nothing extruded, all with the thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
With the matarano.
That's what I'm talking about.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Evans places you could watch them make the pasta.
You know, like he's got Mother Wolf.
He's got Funk.
Is it Funky or Funk?
How do you pronounce that?
action bronson
I have no idea.
I call him Funk.
It's like Terry Funk.
joe rogan
Right.
Probably Funk.
action bronson
I thought he was Terry Funk's cousin.
joe rogan
Are they making tortellini here?
action bronson
No, that's Stefano.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
Look how good that looks.
action bronson
This man right here, when I went to Osteria Francescana in Modena, you know.
joe rogan
I love how you said that.
action bronson
Massimo Batura's place.
It was like the number one restaurant for many years.
He was the chef there that was making all the food.
He was like a young man.
And then when he opened his restaurant, Resdora, in New York, it was like.
He takes such good care of my mother as well.
Like, yo, they just go above and beyond.
joe rogan
He's a beautiful guy.
This is art.
Like, the way he's making this food, this is art.
This is a work of art.
He's performing art.
action bronson
Who'd I have?
I had fucking Devin Haney in the kitchen with me making pasta with him.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
unidentified
That's great.
action bronson
You know, I like to bring these guys in and do weird things.
unidentified
Mm hmm.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
unidentified
That's awesome.
action bronson
Devin Haney making pot.
Bro, Yuri, bro.
joe rogan
I know.
action bronson
Holy fucking shit.
joe rogan
That was crazy.
Crazy.
action bronson
What an animal.
joe rogan
Well, I mean.
action bronson
How ridiculous.
It's like.
joe rogan
You kind of got to look at it two ways.
action bronson
You saw it happen, right?
Like, oh shit, yeah.
joe rogan
You got to look at it two ways.
One, you got to look at it from Yuri's perspective, like he had it there, the fight was over, the guy was hurt.
But you also look at it from Carlos' perspective.
Carlos Oldberg is hurt.
He can't move his right leg.
They're probably going to stop it in between rounds.
And Yuri, he can't move.
So Yuri's just pot shotting him.
And he's kicking his one good leg.
He's kicking his one good leg.
And then, boom, he clips him with a left hook.
action bronson
I mean, with the one punch that he's known for.
joe rogan
Not just that.
action bronson
The step back hook.
joe rogan
The one punch that you can throw if your right leg is hurt.
A check hook.
action bronson
Crazy.
joe rogan
Because when you.
The check hook is one of the.
Like, Alexander Volkanovsky actually did a really good breakdown of this on YouTube.
But what he was talking about is the check hook, you put all the weight on the front leg a lot.
Because as the person's coming, a lot of the weight, as you uncork the punch, is on that front leg.
And Olberg's, that's a snake.
Like the way he throws that left hook is so fast.
action bronson
It's perfect.
joe rogan
And it was a perfect punch?
action bronson
He threw one just to get the distance on the first one and then clipped him again.
joe rogan
Perfect.
action bronson
But Yuri, man.
joe rogan
So Yuri's saying.
action bronson
It looked like I watched, I know you were watching as well, watching in real time, but it just looked like he got upset.
That he hurt his knee and he was like, fuck, fuck.
joe rogan
He clearly did get upset.
I really do think that he got upset.
I do think that's true.
action bronson
But it makes no difference on.
joe rogan
It doesn't matter.
Carlos got him.
action bronson
Yeah, Carlos.
joe rogan
Carlos got him.
He fucked up.
action bronson
That's a clean win.
joe rogan
But that's part, yeah, it's part of fighting.
Like, you have to be ruthless.
Like, Khalil Roundtree is one of the nicest guys you're ever going to meet.
When he fought Medestis Bukakis, he sidekicked his knee sideways and blew it apart.
action bronson
That was nuts.
joe rogan
And Khalil is one of the nicest guys alive.
unidentified
But.
action bronson
I remember earlier.
joe rogan
He's trying to do it to you.
You're trying to do it to him.
And if his leg gets blown out, you have to take advantage of it because he would take advantage of it on you.
action bronson
I've been watching for a long time.
I've been watching Khalil for a long time since the beginning.
I remember the change when he went to Thailand, right?
There was this change.
He came back from Thailand and that's what he did.
That was his first fight when he was fucking.
joe rogan
The first fight was in the Ganders.
action bronson
Yeah, and he looked totally different.
joe rogan
Yeah, me and DC were like, what happened?
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
Because he was always different.
action bronson
With the front leg and just like all Thai.
joe rogan
He was super sharp.
He was super sharp.
action bronson
That was nuts.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, so horrible.
So horrible to watch.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Just perfect sidekick to the knee.
Just blew his shit apart.
That guy was out for over a year.
action bronson
I mean, that's one of the gnarliest.
joe rogan
Oh, it's so nasty when you see it sideways.
action bronson
Oh, because it started at the eye.
joe rogan
I don't want to see it, Jamie.
Stop, stop, stop, stop.
action bronson
Oh, bro, it started at the eye.
joe rogan
Show me some Khalil Rowntree versus Eric Anders.
So, Eric Anders is one of the toughest fucking human beings to ever live.
For sure.
Because he was getting lit up.
His legs were getting destroyed, and he never even flinched.
He never even made an owl face.
It was never like, eh, there's nothing.
He just dead stoic the entire time.
And then I asked him afterwards, oh, fuck yeah, that shit hurts.
action bronson
But guys like Eric Anders, he's been in UFC for 10 years.
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
Decent career.
joe rogan
Super smart guy.
action bronson
But he, you know.
joe rogan
Invested his money, bought a bunch of houses.
Oh, really?
Very clever.
action bronson
Oh, that's great.
joe rogan
Very smart.
Yeah.
unidentified
That's great.
joe rogan
He's smart.
action bronson
It's good to know.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's planning, and he's just a cool dude to talk to.
But when Khalil K. looked like, We were looking at him.
It's like he's moving like a tie, like the hand movements, everything.
action bronson
Yeah, he came back totally different.
joe rogan
That light front foot.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
It was like full on Muay Thai.
And Khalil's always been super fast.
Like, one of his strengths is that he can hit guys before they even calculate.
Like, his speed, when he's like really going after you, like in the Jamal Hill fight, he's got speed that confuses guys because they're like, oh shit, like you got to recalibrate.
Because this guy moves faster than any of the middleweights.
action bronson
Nasty.
joe rogan
And he's a light heavyweight.
action bronson
He's nasty, like, just.
joe rogan
He's like a, well, I shouldn't say to any middleweight, but he moves like a middleweight.
That's what I should say.
He's got like middleweight speed, but a light heavyweight frame.
And he just started lighting him up with like pure tie technique.
And this was the perfect kind of showcase for him because Eric's not like a big wrestler.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Eric's just a brawler.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And with a guy like Khalil, especially since Eric fights Southpaw.
So when you fight Southpaw and Khalil fights Southpaw, it really opens up that left leg to get attacked, or the right leg, excuse me, to get attacked.
Because your power leg is behind you, whereas you're fighting normal people that are orthodox, it's usually you have to kick them with an inside kick if you're a southpaw.
But southpaw to southpaw, like this, Khalil just can light that leg on fire.
Oh, it was fucking, but it was the sound it was making.
Like when we were there, it was like.
action bronson
This was memorably different.
joe rogan
Well, he had just gotten really tuned in, man.
When he was in Thailand, he got really tuned in.
Particularly, oh, you already got it in the second round.
It was particularly the first round.
action bronson
He hadn't opened up before this, right?
Which made him go there?
Which made him go to Thailand?
joe rogan
Johnny Walker.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So Johnny Walker clipped him with an elbow from the clinch.
He hit him with a tie and KO'd him.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Back when Johnny Walker was like very explosive and Johnny Walker was very wild, he fought wild.
He fights more calculated now.
action bronson
Yeah, after, I mean, I feel like after the worm, it was a wrap.
After he hurt himself.
joe rogan
Oh, that worm thing was crazy.
Fucking hurt his shoulder.
action bronson
Like, the shoulder is one of the worst things to hurt and then get surgery out.
It never comes back, right?
joe rogan
He blew it apart, too.
action bronson
Doing the fucking, it was just.
joe rogan
Doing the worms.
Yeah, being.
Just having a good time.
Just having a good time.
I think that was, was that Misha Sarkornov?
I don't know who he fought during that fight, but he fought a good guy.
And it's like Johnny Walker, when he was winning in the early days of his fights in the UFC, he was just, yeah.
It's Serkanov, right?
Yeah.
Like that kind of shit.
Like these flying elbows, like wild, reckless.
But he got KO'd a few times by some really technical people.
And then he tried to be.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, right there.
Like he fucked his elbow or his shoulder up.
action bronson
I've jumped on the bed like that and hurt my fucking arm.
You know when you jump on the bed?
joe rogan
Yeah, he blew it apart.
You forget that your arm was disconnected.
Like that and immediately blew his shoulder out.
action bronson
Oh, gosh.
joe rogan
That was so silly.
action bronson
Fucking hard.
unidentified
But look at him.
action bronson
Looks like he could KO himself.
joe rogan
Oh, you can see it pop out.
action bronson
Terrible, bro.
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
Terrible.
Some people just shoot themselves in the dick.
joe rogan
I know, they do.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a lot of people that do.
A lot of people ruin their life for no fucking reason.
They can't help it.
action bronson
I go through life trying not to shoot myself in the dick.
joe rogan
Yeah, me too.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
It's like one of my cardinal rules.
unidentified
Cardinal.
joe rogan
I think everybody should abide by that.
Don't shoot yourself in the dick if you can avoid it.
action bronson
If you can avoid it.
If not, there you go.
Thank you, sir.
unidentified
You're welcome.
joe rogan
But, you know, fighters are wild people.
They're doing a wild thing.
Thing like it's part of what makes them great is that they take these crazy chances, they're just nuts.
action bronson
What am I, silly?
joe rogan
Oh, you lift the top where the top, it flips back.
There you go, and then push that button up.
There you go.
action bronson
I'm used to a torch.
unidentified
I hear you.
action bronson
I'm excited for this.
joe rogan
The Urey thing was like, sorry.
action bronson
No, no, go ahead.
joe rogan
I was going to say, but the Urey thing was like, I understand his perspective, you know, that he did fuck up and he could have attacked and been smarter, but you can't have that excuse.
He really was upset.
You could tell he was upset right when Carlos Oldberg's knee blew out.
But here's the thing that impressed me the most.
action bronson
He's upset at him.
He's upset at him for fucking blowing his knee.
What are you into?
joe rogan
Well, he was upset at the moment, right?
He wanted it to be a clean victory, right?
But Carlos wasn't upset.
That was what I was most impressed with.
That guy never lost composure.
He tried a switch kick, a jumping switch kick to the head.
action bronson
To see if it worked.
joe rogan
And his leg fell out again and he fell down again and scrambled.
But he never lost composure.
He never showed anxiety in his face.
Just a stone cold killer looking for his moment and he found it.
Yep.
action bronson
CKB guy.
joe rogan
That's a world champion.
That's a world champion.
I mean, that's how you really become a world champion.
You have a blown out knee and you find a way to KO a guy who's this wild, aggressive, awkward dude.
You know, and he's coming after you.
You got a blown out knee, and you just bink perfect fucking left hook.
action bronson
Those guys from the South Pacific are a different breed.
joe rogan
Well, he certainly is.
action bronson
I mean, he's just a lot, just mentality.
joe rogan
I mean, the whole camp.
action bronson
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
The camp is unheard of.
joe rogan
Yeah, the camp is phenomenal.
Eugene Behrman, the guy's the head coach, super fucking smart dude.
action bronson
I went down there in 2018.
I went down there and I saw Izzy before the Brunson fight.
And it was like in the old CKB, and I had them come through, and Eugene came out.
I was DJing in New Zealand for an evening at my friend's restaurant, and I had them come out.
Oh, that's awesome.
Yeah, it was dope.
joe rogan
Oh, that's cool.
You were DJing at a restaurant?
action bronson
I was DJing.
You know, I play all kinds of fucking weird, like 70s funk African music, Brazilian music.
I just happened to be down there, and everyone came through.
It was a good time.
joe rogan
Oh, here's something that people are saying is real that's not, that I found out today.
Everyone's saying that Hamza Chamaev and Gordon Ryan are going to wrestle.
It's not true.
action bronson
RAF?
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
I like RAF.
joe rogan
I like RAF too.
action bronson
I like this.
It's like something new and exciting.
unidentified
Sure.
action bronson
I don't particularly love the action.
I like wrestling, but it's not as exciting as the entirety of the event.
You understand?
unidentified
Right.
action bronson
I know what you're saying.
The press conference, the people involved, the actual moves, I prefer fighting and just like a different type of combat, but it still gets me going.
I enjoy it a lot.
joe rogan
Look, it's the most important skill.
In MMA.
action bronson
It's the most important skill, but I like when you mix it.
I don't like it singularly more than anything else.
joe rogan
I understand, but the reality is, in order to be at an elite level, you have to do it by itself.
I think for the most part.
unidentified
100%.
joe rogan
George St. Pierre might be an example of a guy who violates that law because George didn't really wrestle in college or high school.
He learned how to wrestle from a bunch of Russian nationals in Montreal.
action bronson
Well, that works also.
If you didn't start wrestling when you're five years old, That's the other way to do it.
Two, three years, Dagestan, that's it, right?
joe rogan
Two, three years, Dagestan.
action bronson
Forget it.
joe rogan
And forget.
action bronson
I mean, I'm excited.
I'm excited for Hamzad and Sean Strickland because it'll be in Newark.
I'm going to be there.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure, dog.
action bronson
I'll be right there.
joe rogan
I'll be there, too.
action bronson
Yeah, you'll be there.
The White House thing I'm excited for, too.
I want to ask to go, but I don't know if it's a lot.
It seems like a lot of fucking hoopla.
I might just watch it on TV.
joe rogan
I would watch that on TV if I wasn't working there.
I think the Strickland and Hamzad fight.
Is going to be very interesting.
Strickland is not an easy guy to take down, and he's not an easy guy to hold down, and he's a very difficult guy to hit on his feet, and he's got a super awkward style.
His style is very clever.
It's very different.
It's not something that's easy to replicate as far as timing in this game.
action bronson
He reminds me of B Hop.
joe rogan
A little bit.
unidentified
Right?
action bronson
He reminds me of like B Hop, but just a little bit more.
Not sloppy, just a little bit more.
unidentified
Loose.
action bronson
Loose and wild.
joe rogan
Yeah, loose and wild.
And then also, it's because he has other options, right?
It's because he's kicking.
It's because he's taking you down.
His teeps, those soft kicks are great.
His teep off his front legs, phenomenal.
action bronson
And he just throws good straight punches, man.
Just good hard straight punches.
joe rogan
His fucking jab is so accurate.
You know, people think of a jab as like.
You know, it's not that big a deal.
That guy thumps you in the face with a jab three, four times.
You're kind of fucked.
Your nose is broken.
unidentified
For sure.
joe rogan
Bleeding, or at least bleeding.
action bronson
Well, there's three kinds of jabs there's the soft one, then there's that step, and there's a fucking hard jab, you know?
He throws them all.
joe rogan
Yeah, that guy, Azamat Mazurkanov.
action bronson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He just lost to Paulo Costa.
Yeah, Paulo Costa.
But that guy has one of the most evil jabs.
He, like, steps forward and he'll, like, jab hooks at you.
action bronson
Yeah, he turns that jab.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like a hook.
It's almost like a hook.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he knocked out.
Fuck, what is his name?
Rocket.
He knocked out Rocket with that one punch.
Just stepped in with a jab.
action bronson
Rocket's chin went down.
Yeah, a couple of fights ago.
But, you know.
joe rogan
Rocket's been in some wars.
He's been in some wars, but he's been in some wars.
It was a good fight until that moment.
But Mazarkanov, I was so impressed that he just wouldn't abandon that strategy of going after Paulo Costa.
Evil Jab Techniques 00:15:15
action bronson
I mean, Paulo looked good.
He looked fucking phenomenal at this weight.
joe rogan
In his corner, I would say, dude, never go back to middleweight.
You are a Fucking light heavyweight champion.
action bronson
He's 100%.
joe rogan
He's a light heavyweight champion.
action bronson
1 million percent.
joe rogan
And while this guy, while Carl Solberg is going to be out for a year, because he's going to have to get ACL reconstruction, he could be the interim light heavyweight champion.
Like, no doubt, man.
I really think he could pull that off.
Dude, at light heavyweight, he's fucking terrifying.
action bronson
It's crazy to go there.
He's just the Holocaust of old.
unidentified
Oh, man.
action bronson
Fucking hell.
joe rogan
When he was destroying people on his way up to the ranks, man.
action bronson
That's what I'm saying.
Like, to see him go from there and then to, like, have those little hiccups and shit like that, and it almost seemed like he was a joke at one point.
When Izzy humped him, just made him look fucking so less than as a human being.
When he's really just.
joe rogan
Izzy mind fucked him.
action bronson
He fucked him over for a couple years, right?
joe rogan
For a couple years.
That's how crazy that fight was.
action bronson
He's just coming back now.
The Luke Rockhold, I think, helped him.
But even Luke almost fucking knocked him out.
joe rogan
Bro, that was a great fight.
action bronson
Why do you put that in Utah?
Wasn't it in Utah?
joe rogan
High altitude.
Yeah, good point.
action bronson
If that was somewhere else, I don't know.
joe rogan
Well, it was a great fight.
action bronson
Yeah, it was fun.
joe rogan
And that was Luke's last really great performance where he still looked like a world caliber fighter.
unidentified
For sure.
joe rogan
But I think Hamzaat against Azamat was the best.
Excuse me.
When I think Paulo, Paulo Costa against Azamat was the best Paulo Costa I've seen in a long time.
I mean, he looked better because he looked physically stronger.
Like, being at light heavyweight didn't at all look like a stretch.
In fact, he looked like a better place for him.
Like when I was listening to the sound of his punches and his kicks, it was even harder than before.
He didn't look fat at all.
He looked like a perfect light heavyweight.
Like, I think he's probably, at least at this stage in his life, because I think Paulo's like 34 now.
action bronson
He has to be.
joe rogan
It would be way better for him to compete at light heavyweight.
And there's not a lot of people in the line.
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
At light heavyweight, 34 is almost prime.
unidentified
Yes.
action bronson
Like at light heavyweight, that's a great age.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
Well, that was like when Izzy was on top of shit.
He was around 34.
John Jones was a little younger.
Well, John Jones was the youngest champion in history.
That's a different guy.
But when you look at Paulo Costa's performances and then you look at this last one, you're like, I thought that might be the best Paulo Costa of all time.
He looked fucking phenomenal and he ate some big shots from Azimuth and just didn't even flinch.
Didn't even flinch.
action bronson
I can't even imagine how that man cuts to 185.
It's truly unbelievable.
That muscle mass that goes away during that, it's just like it weakens him.
unidentified
It weakens him.
action bronson
It fully depletes your body.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think him at 205 is really the way to go because I guarantee you he's probably walking.
Around at about like 2 30 or something.
action bronson
He looks good.
He might even be a good fucking heavyweight, too.
joe rogan
He said if Dale McLewis falls out of the White House card, he'll step in and fight it heavyweight.
action bronson
Well, it makes sense to fight Josh Hokett that way because they're both similar body types.
I'm not similar.
He's a lot more.
unidentified
How dare you?
action bronson
How dare you?
I meant weight wise.
They're both around 240, but they look a lot different.
joe rogan
A lot.
I don't know if Hokett's ready for that yet.
That's crazy.
Unless he could take Paolo down, he's going to get.
That's a fun.
action bronson
It's fun.
joe rogan
It'll be fun because he'll go after him.
Curtis Blades is very different than Paulo Costa.
When it comes to striking, Paulo Costa is fucking terrifying.
action bronson
But I've also shook.
How do you say?
Shook and shake.
joe rogan
Shake his hand?
unidentified
I shook.
action bronson
Curtis Blade's hand?
joe rogan
Oh, the giant.
action bronson
It's fucking four times the size of a normal hand.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Curtis Blade's.
action bronson
To be punched by that hand that many times and to not go down is pretty impressive.
joe rogan
Well, also impressive for Curtis.
Curtis had a blown out eye socket, a broken nose.
action bronson
Curtis is the man.
I love Curtis.
joe rogan
He's a good dude.
Incredible heart.
Incredible heart.
He just did not.
After all that shit that Josh Hulk had talked, he did not want to lose that man.
He gave everything he had.
There was not a moment of quit in that fight for Curtis.
action bronson
Yeah, he could have scored it for him if he wanted.
joe rogan
Well, I don't think so.
action bronson
You could not, but you could.
joe rogan
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
I don't think that would be reasonable.
But he certainly did.
unidentified
Many things are unreasonable.
Yeah, but that's not fair.
joe rogan
No, you're right.
action bronson
It's egregious.
It could be.
joe rogan
He might have won a round, but the most important thing is that guy, he gave it what he had.
He could be proud.
He could be proud.
That guy, there's no question at all.
That guy left nothing.
There was nothing left in the tank at the end of that third round.
And that's all you could ever ask.
action bronson
It's a fucking beautiful fight to watch, especially from heavyweights, man.
joe rogan
But it makes me sad, too, because I'm like, boy, you can only do a few of those.
action bronson
That's probably the last one.
joe rogan
I mean, I always go back to that.
unidentified
Of that.
joe rogan
The Kane Velasquez Jr. Dos Santos ones.
action bronson
Nasty.
Nasty.
joe rogan
Those were so hard to watch, man.
action bronson
Nasty stuff.
joe rogan
Because Kane just didn't get tired.
Being in there with a guy like Kane who didn't get tired, you're constantly getting punched in the face, constantly, and it's just nothing but heart keeps you there until the fifth round.
action bronson
Kane, man.
I just want to shake Kane's hand.
Give him a hug.
unidentified
He's out.
action bronson
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
We were trying to get him on the podcast before he went in, but the judge wouldn't allow it.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, I definitely have him on now, though.
I love Kane.
He's in my top.
I don't think there's a GOAT.
A real goat in heavyweight because I think there's times where one guy would have beaten all the other guys.
unidentified
Of course.
action bronson
Everyone had different moments, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's in the goat category.
action bronson
For sure.
joe rogan
I would say in heavyweight, there's a goat category.
You've got to put Stipe in there because he defended the heavyweight title more than anybody.
He beat in Ghana when Ghana was in his fucking prime and got rocked a bunch of times.
action bronson
Oh, that was a crazy fight, too.
joe rogan
Crazy fight.
So you've got to give it to him.
He's always going to be in the goat category.
Kane, Fedor, of course.
Fedor is like the real connoisseur, the real connoisseur.
action bronson
Connoisseurs, connoisseur.
joe rogan
The MMA heads, they're like, Fedor is the GOAT.
action bronson
He's the one.
joe rogan
I always say everybody forgets about Fabrizio Verdum because Fabrizio Verdum tapped Cain Velasquez, Minotauro Nogueira, and Fedor.
And he tapped Fedor when Fedor was Fedor.
Like everybody looks at a guy like when he lost a bunch of fights or they didn't go so well for him.
And later in his career, he's in his late 30s.
When you look at Fabrizio Verdum in his prime, He's in that range, man.
He beat Cain Velasquez.
He beat Mark Hunt with a flying knee to win the title.
action bronson
He has that resume more.
I mean, at that time, those are heavy hitters.
joe rogan
Bro, I mean, he beat the best of the best.
He beat them all.
And he tapped three of the all time greats.
Those are Minotauro for sure when he was in Pride.
He's in the GOAT category.
But then you got to give it a little more like Fedor is a notch above him because Fedor beat him and beat him with ground and pound.
But then the other guys are Kane.
And, you know, you always got to think Kane, prime Kane against anybody ever.
Man, who knows?
Prime Kane was just an unstoppable tornado of punches and takedowns and no tired, no fatigue.
It's not coming.
You think he's going to get tired?
He's never going to get tired.
He's going to keep punching you in the face.
action bronson
Top tier wrestling.
joe rogan
Top tier wrestling.
And fucking Fabricio tapped him too.
action bronson
And he's Mexican.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
He's Mexican.
A lot of Mexicans have great cardio, Matt.
action bronson
They have great cardio and unbelievable fucking heart and chin.
joe rogan
I wonder if it's from high altitude genetics.
You know, like you were saying, like, you're.
action bronson
It's just warrior genetics.
joe rogan
Right.
action bronson
100%.
joe rogan
100%.
action bronson
Volkanovsky has the same thing.
Just from a different type of indigenous tribe, you know?
unidentified
Yes.
action bronson
The Macedonians and the crazy fucking.
The up in the mountain people.
unidentified
Right.
action bronson
That are five, six with hands like fucking.
unidentified
Marab.
action bronson
Oh my God.
joe rogan
Marab Duavishwili Tau.
action bronson
Marab Duavishwili Tau.
unidentified
Also.
joe rogan
Warrior genetics.
unidentified
100%.
Yeah.
action bronson
That dude, I've never.
A lot of these athletes, if they had, it's like if they had a little size, they'd be playing any professional sport.
joe rogan
Right.
unidentified
You know?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, for sure.
Especially if you have the mental toughness to reach championship level.
action bronson
But I've also seen a lot of fighters can't throw a fucking baseball.
Like a lot of fighters, they can't do anything else.
Like I grew up playing baseball.
I could play every single sport because of the dexterity baseball showed me.
I feel like baseball and basketball are the main sports to show the child early.
To create dexterity.
joe rogan
That's a good sport for competitive drive, too.
action bronson
And gymnastics.
I've heard Khabib say that you keep your child in gymnastics till they're 10, then they could do martial arts.
I'm following father's plan.
joe rogan
Well, that's actually very smart because then you develop like crazy body control.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
action bronson
It's fucking shredded.
Six years old, shredded already, bro.
joe rogan
Right?
From gymnastics.
action bronson
I've never had an ab, not even as a child.
I've always had a fucking little bubba.
I've always been a little bubba.
joe rogan
Hey man, it's part of your charm.
action bronson
It is, that is part of my charm.
If I were shredded, I wouldn't be as likable.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You think so?
action bronson
Let's find out.
joe rogan
Probably.
action bronson
Let's find out because I'll be fucking shirtless everywhere posing.
They might not like that.
Try this one.
joe rogan
Yeah, this light has died out on me.
Oh, I buy them new and they still die out quick.
action bronson
You gotta get you a torch.
joe rogan
This is a.
action bronson
But that's like a mini, that's like a little mini.
You gotta get you to.
Like a mini welder.
The mini welding one works well.
Underwater welding torches for the cigars.
joe rogan
So, this Hamzat and Strickland thing, to me, it's gonna be what can Hamzat do on the feet?
Can he clip them?
And Ken Strickland stopped the takedown.
action bronson
I don't even, like, it's so hard to even think anybody could stop Hamzad right now at anything.
joe rogan
It's true.
action bronson
It's like you're not even going to get to throw hands with him.
He's just going to be smiling, laughing.
You think he's going to fucking take you down and manhandle you like no one's ever been manhandled before.
joe rogan
His timing and his takedowns is fucking insane.
action bronson
It's crazy.
joe rogan
It's so good.
action bronson
Watching the training, the speed, and he's like, it's equivalent to like Alan Iverson doing a crossover.
He's doing it with that type of, like, Flair.
joe rogan
If I was going to make an argument against it, I would say he's handling guys that don't have a big background in elite wrestling.
They're not like elite grapplers.
The guy that he fought that was an elite grappler gave him problems.
Gilbert Burns, for sure.
action bronson
Gilbert Burns fucked him up, too.
joe rogan
He did, but that was like more stand up fucking him up.
action bronson
Yeah, but Gilbert Burns, if you took him down.
joe rogan
Gilbert can get back up to speed.
action bronson
He's one of the most elite players on the floor, right?
joe rogan
Yes, especially back then.
Gilbert just retired.
Congratulations, Gilbert.
action bronson
Tremendous career.
joe rogan
Tremendous.
But They were banging it out, and Hamza fought a completely different kind of fight.
He tried to slug it out, and I think his ego got in the way because Gilbert clipped him a couple times, dropped him, rocked him.
Gilbert was a wild boy.
action bronson
I was fucking screaming during that one.
joe rogan
In his prime, Gilbert was so fucking game.
He was so dangerous, man.
He knocks people out.
So, I was going to say Kamaro.
Kamaro Usman.
And that was a short notice fight that Kamaro took at 185.
action bronson
Unbelievable fight.
joe rogan
And in the third round, Kamaro was winning.
I was like, this would have been very interesting if it was a five round fight.
unidentified
100%.
action bronson
I feel like, I mean, it's hard to predict, but Kamaro had the momentum 1 million percent.
joe rogan
If it was a five round fight and if Kamaro had a full camp, because when you're taking a fight on that short notice like that, you don't trust in your wind like you would trust in your wind if you just went through 12 weeks of hell, where you just know.
You're in fucking tippy top.
Like, that's what I'm saying.
action bronson
Was his knee barking also?
I'm sure his knee's always barking.
joe rogan
He's such a warrior.
When he gets in there, he fights like it doesn't matter.
action bronson
I mean, you know, they were in the wrestling positions for a while where he wasn't able to really do much.
You know, like, well, he defended.
unidentified
He defended.
joe rogan
Hamza wasn't able to do anything to him.
action bronson
That's what I'm saying.
It was like a stalemate kind of thing.
They were just like there.
joe rogan
Where with everybody else, Hamza basically ragdolls him, mounts him, takes him down and just rolls you around.
action bronson
It was like a fucking video game, like Rolling Thunder.
joe rogan
That was crazy.
And him and Kevin Holland had so many words before that, too.
So there was a lot of anger in that.
You know?
That was crazy.
action bronson
That was a wild one.
joe rogan
That was really crazy.
And they had gotten some sort of an altercation before that at another event.
So there was bad blood there.
So it was like Hamsa just wanted to prove a point.
action bronson
You know, these guys aren't really playing.
They play by a different set of rules coming from that block.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a fucking war zone.
action bronson
That's a different block.
joe rogan
It's a war zone, son.
They're used to actual fights.
unidentified
For sure.
joe rogan
Yeah, like to stay alive.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Scary shit, man.
That's a fight.
So, it's a really interesting fight.
We're going to know real soon, like early on in the fight, whether or not Strickland can avoid the takedown and whether or not Hamzad can hit him and whether or not he can avoid getting hit because Strickland will set some traps.
He's sneaky with his striking.
Very clever.
Very clever with his striking.
action bronson
I mean, also, Hamzad had the issue coming off of that, off of COVID.
He had that long, long COVID where his lungs were fucked for a while.
joe rogan
Well, you know what that was?
He wouldn't stop training.
So, he got COVID and trained.
Hard like a fucking psychopath all through COVID to the point where he was getting bleeding out of his lungs.
action bronson
Oh, no fucking shit.
joe rogan
He was coughing up blood.
He just, apparently, he's an animal.
They just can't keep him out of the gym.
They just can't keep him out of the gym.
And so he kept training while he had COVID, and it got real bad to the point where he was hospitalized.
action bronson
That's a different type of level of being able to just like push past like physical sickness because COVID is fucked up.
joe rogan
Push past to the point where you're almost dead.
unidentified
Yeah, but also.
joe rogan
And he's still showing up doing rounds.
action bronson
I think I had mentioned this, but I was training with Polino and Pereira before the first Ankalaya fight, and we got sick the same way.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
action bronson
Neuro.
Everyone, like I was sick.
joe rogan
Norovirus.
action bronson
No, Eo Bra was fucking so sick and he went and did the fight.
Did the whole thing.
He was as sick as me, apparently.
joe rogan
That was the first Uncle Live fight.
action bronson
First Uncle Live fight.
I fucking literally was knocked out for 10 days.
And this motherfucker's training, traveling, and fighting for the championship.
And it wasn't a Pereira fight, but it was not horrible.
joe rogan
No, it wasn't terrible.
unidentified
He lost.
joe rogan
But then the second fight, I was like, holy shit.
action bronson
I see them training now, bro.
He looks like a fucking.
Behemoth at 250.
joe rogan
He's in 260s now.
unidentified
Holy shit.
joe rogan
They weighed in at 263.
action bronson
Bro, that's him at 263 is scary.
joe rogan
That's nuts.
That guy fought at 185 just a couple years ago.
unidentified
Scary.
action bronson
Well, this is his true body type.
He's meant to be a cowboy.
You know what I mean?
He's like a fucking Brazilian cowboy.
joe rogan
Amazon warrior genes.
Same shit we're talking about.
That's what he is.
action bronson
It's the bone density stuff.
It's not.
It's like it's true.
joe rogan
Genetics.
action bronson
Indigeny.
It's true.
You look at certain people and you see the past.
Heavyweight Conditioning 00:07:45
unidentified
Right.
action bronson
I see.
unidentified
Warriors.
Bro.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You know how when that song comes out?
action bronson
Chants were made to excite.
They would.
To conjure up spirit.
That's what he fucking does.
He's conjuring up spirit.
That's why Yuri was so scared of being black.
He was going to shrink his head.
joe rogan
Yuri asked him in the second fight to not use spiritual warfare.
unidentified
So good.
action bronson
That's, come on.
There's no movie that could write this type of script.
I love this shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, I felt bad for Yuri, but I felt great for Carlos at the same time.
action bronson
I love that whole team.
Dash and all those boys out there.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're great guys.
action bronson
I like those guys.
joe rogan
It's like, look, I get it.
It's a hard pill to swallow.
I get it.
You did back off.
I get it.
But also, that guy just.
action bronson
You can only blame yourself on that one, man.
joe rogan
He found a way to win.
Found a way to win in the most spectacular way possible.
action bronson
That's the only thing that should really be spoken about is his will and his ability to fight through that.
Bro, torn ACL, they're carting you off the fucking field.
joe rogan
I know.
action bronson
Everyone's crying that their career's over in football, carting you off the field with your heads like that.
unidentified
I know.
action bronson
This dude's fucking knocking homie out for the light heavyweight championship at a win.
joe rogan
Fucking crazy.
action bronson
So, to have that type of will in you, you could only just be mesmerized by that.
joe rogan
I know.
It's nuts, man.
If you think about it, like how many.
Great fights are out there to be had.
How many great fights have been had?
I mean, those moments like that, that's like you can't.
That's one of the things that makes a sport so exciting.
Like, you couldn't have imagined that he would blow his knee out, and then you couldn't have imagined that Yuri would pause and not know what to do, and then you couldn't have imagined that Carlos would knock him out.
action bronson
That's perfectly.
Let me ask you something about the footing in the octagon.
Did his foot slip?
Was this slippery in there?
joe rogan
I think it was just a placement issue.
action bronson
Placed it wrong.
joe rogan
Yeah, sometimes in scrambles, you know, you're moving weird.
action bronson
So he overslidden.
Did he miss something?
joe rogan
It looks like it just blew out, man.
action bronson
Because that shit just blew out.
joe rogan
There's a video of Carlos blowing his knee out, and it looks like they're in the middle of a wild exchange.
He moves his foot in a certain way, and it just pops.
And you can see it go up the back of his leg.
action bronson
It snapped up.
It was nasty.
joe rogan
It's nasty.
Yeah, it's horrible.
And it's going to take a long time for that thing to be better again.
But he won.
He's the world champion.
And then Paul Acosta.
Interim chair.
If I was the fucking captain of the ship, that's what I would do.
I'd go, hey, Paolo, you're a fucking star.
Maybe on Kalayev.
I mean, I know that Pereira just knocked him out, but he deserves to be in.
So here it is.
So he placed his leg weird and pushed off and it just blew out.
See?
action bronson
It looked like he was on.
joe rogan
Just a freak movement.
action bronson
He didn't step on the paw of the foot.
He stepped more on the inside like that, like the angle of the step.
joe rogan
Well, it was definitely weird because they're in the middle of a scramble, you know?
But look at him.
action bronson
And look at his athleticism right there.
The way he just spun off that and stayed on that left leg.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
action bronson
Yeah, no, that's nasty.
joe rogan
When that happens, your leg is just so unstable.
The crazy thing is, there's guys in the UFC that fight with no ACL.
They have no ACL and they fight in the UFC.
I know Rafael Dos Angeles was doing that for a while.
He had no ACL and he was fighting in the UFC.
action bronson
I mean, was that during his decline?
Or was he chairing?
joe rogan
He was still pretty close to the top.
He had lost the title, but he was still pretty close to the top.
We were still fucking a lot of people up.
action bronson
He's just another breed, also.
joe rogan
Well, that guy, the conditioning.
That guy was sculpted.
Dos Andros in his prime looked like somebody made him out of marble.
He looked like he belonged at the Vatican.
action bronson
I know.
Every time I tell people I'm going to come see you, they always say, yo, can you ask him this?
Can you ask him that?
I started fielding questions for you.
joe rogan
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry about that.
action bronson
For what?
joe rogan
For you getting those questions?
action bronson
No, I like it.
joe rogan
Oh, you do?
action bronson
I like it.
What are the questions?
It's so ridiculous.
joe rogan
What's the most ridiculous one?
action bronson
I don't remember.
It's all silly.
But one good one is like, when are you going to have Mirko Krokop here?
joe rogan
Oh, I actually talked to him.
I wasn't crazy.
action bronson
Because my boy, who lives in the same neighborhood as him that I train with, my boy Dean, he's literally a Croatian.
He looks like fucking Mirko.
Throws the leg, bald headed, fucking.
He looks like he's driving BMW M5, for sure.
joe rogan
I would definitely have Mirko on.
He's a legend.
action bronson
Need to hear from him.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a legend and he's very funny.
I've I've seen him in interviews before.
action bronson
I was wondering whether he spoke English or not, but he speaks pretty perfectly.
unidentified
Good enough.
joe rogan
Yeah, definitely good enough to have a conversation.
I was watching him versus Fedor today.
unidentified
That was a crazy fight.
joe rogan
I think that was like 2000.
Look at him, man.
unidentified
Jack!
action bronson
That's unbelievable right there.
joe rogan
How old is Marco now?
action bronson
That's a recent picture?
unidentified
Yeah, four days, three days ago.
joe rogan
Dude's in phenomenal shape.
I mean, he's got to be 50.
How old is Murko now?
action bronson
That stuff doesn't go away when it's real, man.
joe rogan
51.
unidentified
Shredded.
action bronson
That's so good.
joe rogan
Shredded, son.
Yeah, he was an animal in his prime.
Boy, he was the first kickboxer to really start doing well in MMA because he was so explosive.
See, a lot of the other guys, like Ernesto Hoost or Peter Ertz, they were real technical, but they set things up.
action bronson
The slappers, for the most part.
joe rogan
They were setting things up.
action bronson
Setting it up, yeah.
joe rogan
But with Murko, he would just explode on you.
action bronson
Fucking explode your liver, explode your head with those fucking kicks, man.
joe rogan
He was so fast and so explosive that when he entered into MMA, he had a kind of advantage.
This is back when they let him fight with shoes on.
Murko with shoes on is a crazy proposition.
action bronson
That's nuts.
jamie vernon
I see a guy like this and I go, that's a giant.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a giant.
Longman Choi, he was like seven plus feet tall.
jamie vernon
So when you find a skeleton of a person like this, oh, yeah.
Yeah, giants are real.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, definitely.
jamie vernon
They're around now, too.
joe rogan
Right, definitely.
Yeah.
action bronson
But he doesn't look like he has gigantic.
joe rogan
No, he does.
He does.
action bronson
No, he does.
But he.
No, but you know, like, most of those guys are unathletic.
Their knees are knocking.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
action bronson
You know, like, he doesn't seem unathletic.
joe rogan
I see what you're saying.
action bronson
You know, he has more of, like, he looks like he's kind of on his toes.
You know, like he's.
unidentified
Moves well.
action bronson
Yeah, like his legs are working in the right way.
He has proper athleticism.
joe rogan
Well, there's another guy that beat Fedor.
Bigfoot, so.
action bronson
Bigfoot, yeah, but he looked like he had fucking.
Yeah.
Giant face.
joe rogan
Yeah, he had it.
jamie vernon
The guy in the NBA, Victor Waymanyama, is.
action bronson
Again, Wemba Nyama's got.
joe rogan
Seven foot four.
That's crazy.
action bronson
It doesn't look like he moves as well as he does.
jamie vernon
He's 22 years old.
action bronson
He's a fucking praying mantis dude.
jamie vernon
He shouldn't be able to do this stuff.
He dribbles behind his back.
He shoots threes.
action bronson
Bro, do you watch the NBA?
joe rogan
Seven foot four is crazy.
jamie vernon
It's crazy.
action bronson
Do you watch the NBA though?
joe rogan
Sometimes.
unidentified
All right.
action bronson
Seven foot four is different when you weigh 190 pounds.
Right.
You know, seven foot four like Rick Smith's back in the day or like dudes who have a little weight on them look different.
This guy is.
joe rogan
He's 235.
action bronson
But that's.
Unbelievable.
joe rogan
You don't believe that?
jamie vernon
He probably is.
action bronson
No, he's 235.
joe rogan
He's so big.
jamie vernon
He's still getting bigger, too.
He's got a little brother that's not even in the NBA yet.
He's like.
action bronson
This kid is going to.
This is the future right here.
jamie vernon
He's maybe 16 or 17, his younger brother.
And he's still growing.
He's, I don't know, 6'10 now.
action bronson
Yeah.
This is ridiculous.
This is the future right here of sports.
joe rogan
Super humans.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So that, if you go back to the Bible, that's like New League football.
jamie vernon
There are giants.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Giants are real.
jamie vernon
They've been around.
Future Sports Genetics 00:06:00
joe rogan
Well, look at the guys in Iceland.
Like the mountain.
unidentified
My favorite.
action bronson
Some of my favorite people.
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
John Paul Sigmussen.
One of my favorite strongmen of all time.
All the Icelandic heroes.
joe rogan
I know, right?
All Vikings.
Bro, giant humans.
action bronson
Half Thor Bjornsson.
He's the guy from Game of Thrones.
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
Yeah, he's the mountain.
But, bro, I guess, you know, World Strongman taught me about the world.
It taught me about how to pronounce names and, yeah.
joe rogan
Like, Magnus von Magnuson.
action bronson
Magnus Ver Magnuson.
That's who it is.
It's all Icelandic legends.
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
Jean Paul Sigmundsson, Magnus Ver.
Jani Virtinen and Yuka Hola from Finland.
joe rogan
Like, bro, I have so many genetics in that part of the world.
action bronson
Unreal.
joe rogan
Vikings.
action bronson
Like, Viking genetics.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's like, you want to know what a Viking looked like?
That's what they looked like.
Those guys showed up with a fucking gigantic boat filled with animals, swinging swords, just ready to kill everybody in your village.
unidentified
Fun.
action bronson
Swinging that fucking mace, swinging the hammer.
May I have that, please?
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
I'm rewatching Game of Thrones.
I'm on the final season now.
action bronson
I've never seen it.
joe rogan
God damn, it's good.
unidentified
I need to.
action bronson
I've been watching Mob Land.
joe rogan
Good.
unidentified
That's great.
joe rogan
Fucking Tom Hardy kills it.
action bronson
I love Tom Hardy.
That's my man.
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
But fucking Pierce Brosnan kills it.
unidentified
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Kills it.
And what is the woman's name again?
Helen Mirren.
action bronson
Oh, my.
She's so good.
unidentified
Mave.
She's so good.
action bronson
What a fucking legendary cast.
I really like that show a lot.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's amazing.
action bronson
That's Guy Richie.
joe rogan
Guy Richie's the first one.
action bronson
You can find the part for me.
I could.
You can't do an accent, bro.
joe rogan
You could learn.
You can learn an accent, bro.
Let's try it out right now.
action bronson
Which one, Irish?
unidentified
Liverpool.
action bronson
Oh, fuck.
That fuck's sick.
unidentified
There you go.
You're in.
action bronson
I've been there.
I'm a scouser.
You could do it, bro.
unidentified
You have to scouser.
joe rogan
You would live with Patty Pimblett for like a week?
action bronson
Meatball Molly.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I want to live with Patty and Meatball Molly.
They'll teach you how to talk scouser.
action bronson
And I want to box.
joe rogan
There you go.
Come on.
action bronson
I just want to throw hands.
I just love fucking, like, I just want to, I love boxing.
joe rogan
Yeah, for real, for real.
action bronson
I love it.
Remember, you were trying to show me how to throw kick.
I just stopped kicking.
joe rogan
Yeah, you gave up?
action bronson
I'm not a kicker.
joe rogan
You don't have to be.
action bronson
I'm not a kicker.
I'm a choker.
I'd like to be a choker.
joe rogan
You could learn how to kick.
action bronson
I could.
joe rogan
You could learn.
You just got to learn how to stretch first.
action bronson
It's that leg thing, man.
I'm scared to break my leg again.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
Because every time I kick in the wrong place, it feels like you hit the ball on the wrong part of the bat.
joe rogan
When you broke your leg, did you have to get pins?
action bronson
Yeah, it broke in half.
It broke in half, so I got the plate.
unidentified
Oh.
action bronson
But it was a clean break.
It was good.
It's better to get shattered.
Shattered, I would have been.
joe rogan
Shattered is bad.
Shattered is bad.
So a clean break.
action bronson
It kind of made a bionic return.
joe rogan
So it doesn't bother you now?
action bronson
No, nothing.
unidentified
Oh.
action bronson
No, it's strong, but if I kick it in the exact spot, I'll feel it.
joe rogan
Right.
Like if someone checks a kick on their knee or something like that.
unidentified
Yay.
joe rogan
What part of your leg broke?
action bronson
I'm going to not disclose that like Bill Belichick.
unidentified
Look at you.
joe rogan
You're hiding injuries.
How did you break it?
action bronson
I fell.
Literally slipped in the kitchen.
I was making fucking two hamburgers and I was carrying them out, and the homie was mopping at the same time.
I was wearing the wrong shoe and I just slipped and it got caught behind me.
That's freak accident.
joe rogan
You know, that happened is what's his face?
Piers Morgan.
He fell and broke his hip.
Had to get his hip replaced.
action bronson
That's the thing.
He doesn't seem like he's in great shape.
I was in fucking sick shape at the time.
I was riding my bike every day.
I was feeling good.
joe rogan
How long ago did this happen?
unidentified
2011.
Damn.
action bronson
Yeah.
Oh no, 2010.
joe rogan
So that's why you're worried about kicking.
So don't kick anybody.
Just work on the move.
action bronson
I like inside knees.
joe rogan
There you go.
That's a good move for you.
action bronson
Clinch knee.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's all just about hip mobility.
Just learn some hip mobility stuff.
I know like ballerina bars.
Yeah, yeah.
Those are actually really good.
action bronson
Yeah, I have one.
I could do a good one, I could get the leg up there.
joe rogan
Ballerina bars are really good for swinging your leg.
You like, you stand on your left leg and swing your right leg this, and then up like that, and then this, and then like that.
That's really good for like opening it up.
And getting the dexterity and strengthening up those supporting muscles.
unidentified
Yeah.
All the flexors.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Everybody should have some leg and hip mobility.
You should be able to throw a kick.
It's not that hard, especially a low kick.
action bronson
No, I could throw it.
But, you know, the accuracy and, you know, the devastation factor might not be there.
joe rogan
You'll figure it out.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're a big guy.
unidentified
You're strong.
joe rogan
You got a lot of horsepower back there.
Come here, son.
action bronson
Come here, fucking wrestle you.
joe rogan
Yeah, I hear.
You're getting excited.
action bronson
I've been, I train with Polino a lot.
Yeah, I train with him in Jersey.
Just holds pads.
joe rogan
I thought he was in Connecticut.
action bronson
Oh, his place is in Connecticut.
Yeah, Glover's in Connecticut.
But everyone's pretty cool.
joe rogan
What part of Jersey is Plinio in?
action bronson
In Nutley.
joe rogan
Oh, nice.
action bronson
Right there, like 50 minutes from me.
joe rogan
That's great.
That's great.
action bronson
Gives me good work.
He's a good dude, too.
I love him.
joe rogan
And great coach.
action bronson
And they spend, yeah, I was going to say, he spends time with me and teaches me fighting.
Not boxing.
He showed me how to fight.
joe rogan
Right.
action bronson
Like things Alex would do.
joe rogan
It's probably a good thing for you, too, to have someone.
That takes your mind off all the other shit you do.
action bronson
It's one of my favorite things.
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
The thing is, one thing takes my mind off the next.
This takes my mind off of that thing, that takes my mind off of that.
So it's like a constant therapy that I'm giving myself.
Because I'm getting burnt out here.
Oh, let's turn to this.
Now that's stopping me from doing that.
Now we'll get burnt out there, go to the next thing.
unidentified
Right.
action bronson
I'm just a seasonal person.
I like doing things when I'm like, when I feel them.
joe rogan
I know what you mean.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You feel it.
unidentified
Yeah, when I feel it.
You see joy in it.
action bronson
Yeah, exactly.
I don't want to be forced.
Comedy Mindset Shifts 00:12:27
unidentified
Maybe you'll start.
joe rogan
Golfing soon.
action bronson
That's fucking not for me.
joe rogan
Really?
action bronson
I'm really good.
unidentified
There's not a lot of people.
action bronson
Look at me.
I'm really good.
Pitch and putt?
I'm a fucking pro.
joe rogan
You're a good mini golfer?
action bronson
Pitch and putt.
Nah, mini golf, I'm not that good.
unidentified
What's the difference?
action bronson
Pitch and putt is like everything except driving.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's like a hundred yards.
action bronson
It's like a city game.
You have it at the park.
Oh, but there's good 70 yards.
Okay.
What's the wedge?
unidentified
Mm hmm.
joe rogan
Okay, it's just not long drives.
action bronson
There's no drives.
unidentified
Got it.
action bronson
So I'm pretty good.
joe rogan
So every golf game starts off with a long drive.
I'm totally ignorant.
action bronson
Me too.
Every game starts with a drive from the beginning.
joe rogan
Is that true?
jamie vernon
Mostly.
It should be two par threes per side.
It's not.
Every course isn't the same, but it's like average.
Two par threes per side, two par fives per side, and the rest are par fours.
joe rogan
And do you always open with like a long shot?
Is that the thing?
action bronson
Isn't that like two long?
jamie vernon
How you play the course is supposed to be up to you.
I mean, ideally, you want to get as far.
action bronson
How would they play in PGA?
jamie vernon
One swing as possible so you have less strokes.
action bronson
How does the Master start?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I mean, they're.
action bronson
That's how I'm starting.
How they start in Augusta, Shinnecock.
I want to play all these.
I just want to smoke hash on the golf courses and chill while other people play.
joe rogan
That's what you want to do?
That's doable.
action bronson
I think we could do that.
joe rogan
I think that's very attainable.
action bronson
Sounds like we have a show.
I want to do it once.
I don't want to follow them.
unidentified
Hey, Jamie?
jamie vernon
It sounds like we're going to have a show.
joe rogan
Right, well, you already did that with Ancient Aliens.
action bronson
Bro, how do we bring this back?
Were you fucking producing it?
joe rogan
I was just talking about it yesterday.
action bronson
Can you produce this for me?
jamie vernon
I don't know.
action bronson
I don't need to put you on the spot.
I don't need to put you on the spot.
Can you be the executive producer?
unidentified
Co.
joe rogan
Well, where would we do it?
action bronson
It really doesn't take much.
joe rogan
Where did you do it before?
You did it at Vice?
action bronson
We did it in a fucking rented studio with green screen.
joe rogan
That's where Vice went bad.
Well, they should have kept you around.
They fucked up.
action bronson
They fucked everything.
joe rogan
They had you, they had Eddie Wong.
They had a bunch of dope shows.
I did the Eddie Wong show.
We went and did yoga together.
action bronson
Seriously?
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
Yo, bro, I don't even want to tell you what I'm about to do.
joe rogan
I love Eddie.
action bronson
Yeah, he's a good kid.
Fucking.
I'm about to do Tybo with Billy Blanks.
joe rogan
Now?
Like, today?
unidentified
Like.
joe rogan
You're about to do it?
action bronson
Thursday.
joe rogan
Really?
action bronson
Me, Ryan Seacrest, and Billy Blanks.
joe rogan
Oh, boy.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
action bronson
I'm going to tell you here first.
I went on Wheel of Fortune.
joe rogan
Did you?
unidentified
I did.
joe rogan
How'd you do?
action bronson
I can't tell you yet, but just let me tell you, I dominated.
I can't tell anyone yet, but I dominated.
joe rogan
I think you just told us.
action bronson
Let me just say something, bro.
I'm sorry if this is going to ruin anything, but for fuck's sake, I dominated.
unidentified
Nice.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
action bronson
I mean, I'm looking for Jeopardy, to be honest.
I'm better at Jeopardy.
joe rogan
And so, why are you going and doing Tybo with Ryan Seacrest and Billy Blanks?
action bronson
Because they took a liking to me, and now he wants to do something else.
joe rogan
Oh, so you guys filming this?
action bronson
Yeah, we're going to film me and Ryan doing Tybo with Billy Blanks.
But for me, Billy Blanks, The Last Boy Scout, the first scene.
unidentified
That's right.
action bronson
That's what I know him for.
That's my shit.
unidentified
That's right.
action bronson
Ain't life a bitch.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
I forgot about that.
action bronson
It's one of my favorite movies of all time.
joe rogan
Well, Damon Wayne's one of my favorite comics of all time.
action bronson
Come on, how was it?
Damon Waynes is a fucking underrated comic.
joe rogan
Underrated comic and underrated action star.
He was great in that fucking movie too.
action bronson
Bulletproof with Adam Sandler.
Yep.
I used to love Damon Waynes too.
unidentified
Major Payne.
action bronson
Oh my God.
He had a run.
What about his brother in fucking Low Down Dirty Shane?
That was a good action movie too.
unidentified
Keenan.
action bronson
Who knew Keenan Ivory Waynes was a fucking action hero?
joe rogan
Keenan's a cool guy.
action bronson
I'm a get you, sucker.
joe rogan
That's right.
unidentified
Come on.
joe rogan
That's right.
action bronson
He died from over gold.
He had too much gold.
joe rogan
Wasn't there a guy who had like goldfish tanks for his platform schools?
action bronson
Yes, of course, man.
That was the pimp.
Can you imagine a dude who had like golden fish tanks for platforms?
In Living Color changed my life.
And she changed my life.
joe rogan
Hey, I just read something.
I should probably call Dave and ask him.
But I just read something where they're thinking about bringing back the Chappelle show.
jamie vernon
He gave a speech.
Eddie Murphy got another award this week, I think AFI or something.
And Dave was on stage speaking.
And he said he was talking with Eddie about it.
And Eddie sort of like pushed him.
But then during the speech, he sort of said, All right, if you want to do it.
I think they actually even said maybe a movie, like a Chappelle Show movie.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
jamie vernon
An actual show.
But he's like, That would be fucking cool.
He kind of said, Eddie, if you do Charlie's parts, let's do it.
joe rogan
Oh, that would be incredible.
jamie vernon
Yeah, because he kind of doesn't want to do it without Charlie.
joe rogan
Oh, that would be incredible.
unidentified
Oof.
joe rogan
That would be incredible.
I saw Eddie and Charlie on vacation once.
unidentified
Where?
joe rogan
It was totally random.
In Hawaii.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, I was at the counter getting my keys for the room.
And, uh, Charlie's cousin was there.
I was like, What are you doing?
What's going on, man?
What are you doing here?
It's like, Charlie's here with Eddie.
Come say hi.
I went over and I had lunch with Charlie and Eddie.
I was like, Just sitting there talking to him.
Like, this is crazy.
action bronson
That's crazy.
joe rogan
It was crazy.
action bronson
Where do we stay?
Moana Surf Club?
joe rogan
No, Four Seasons.
Four Seasons in Maui.
action bronson
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Beautiful place.
Beautiful place.
It was like, Just talking to Eddie Murphy.
I was like, What?
Am I really talking to Eddie Murphy?
It was so weird.
action bronson
That's psychedelic right there.
joe rogan
It was cool.
He's really cool.
It was really fun.
action bronson
I met Martin, Martin Lawrence, who was like, My grandparents learned English from this man.
My Albanian grandparents would watch Wheel of Fortune, Jeopardy, and Martin.
So, like, you know, and I did the thing with Wheel of Fortune, and then I went to the Knicks game versus the Lakers.
I said, fuck it, I'm getting myself a ticket.
And as I walk in, it's fucking Martin Lawrence right there.
I almost, I literally, I've never done this to another man.
I shook his hand, I went into his ear.
I was like, yo, bro, you don't know how much this means to me, man.
unidentified
You don't know.
action bronson
Yo, bro, I, I was just talking to him.
I was like whispering in his ear how much it meant to me.
joe rogan
He fanboyed out.
action bronson
Yeah, I fanboyed the fuck.
I don't care.
I don't care.
I did it.
joe rogan
Dude, I saw Martin Lawrence in his prime at the comedy store in the 90s.
action bronson
I would have died to see that.
joe rogan
He was.
There's another guy that people sleep on.
unidentified
My favorite.
joe rogan
He's one of the best comics ever.
Like when he was in his prime, he would fucking destroy.
And I would have to follow him.
It was hell.
I bombed so many times.
Mitzi Shore, that lady right there.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
If you were coming up, one of the things that she would do is like young comics that she thought had any promise at all.
She'd put them on after monsters.
action bronson
Put you right on after a legend.
joe rogan
Yep, that's your spot.
Right on after the killer.
Good luck.
Good luck, motherfucker.
unidentified
I like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
action bronson
Shows you what kind of shots you got.
joe rogan
She knew what she was doing.
I mean, she's the most important figure in comedy outside of comedians, for sure.
She's number one.
She knew.
She knew what she was doing.
Even with her son.
I mean, she'd even give Paulie a break.
You know, Paulie had to earn it himself, too.
Damn, that's how she, you know, she knew.
She knew, like, how, what was the best environment to create comedy.
action bronson
So, Paulie Shaw was a stand up first?
Oh, yeah.
I didn't even realize that.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Paulie's been a stand up forever.
action bronson
I just knew, I just, when I was young, he was, like, in movies and shit that I liked.
He was, like, that actor.
Where's it at?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, he started in stand up.
I mean, he used to get babysat by Sam Kennison.
action bronson
Oh, my God.
You gotta be a fucking funny guy after that one.
Could that be my babysitter?
joe rogan
There's some things you don't want to learn when you're that young.
I mean, you don't want to learn from Sam.
action bronson
I kind of do.
I kind of, I don't know.
I had some pretty fucking interesting characters raise me also.
joe rogan
I'm just so glad that the comedy store is still around.
I was really worried about them during the pandemic when they were closed for like a fucking year.
The whole thing was so insane.
It took so long before LA allowed them to open up.
action bronson
Can I ask you something honestly?
joe rogan
No.
unidentified
All right.
action bronson
The comics of today.
Do you find them?
It's just because we've aged a little bit and we find different things.
Like, do you find them as funny as you found people that you looked up to, like your elders?
Do you find these younger guys funny?
Like, can you vibe with it?
joe rogan
Yeah, I definitely could vibe with it.
You know, as far as like.
action bronson
Do they make you cackle the way these other fucking guys do?
joe rogan
For sure.
It depends on who you watch.
action bronson
You know who I like?
I like Stavi.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, Stavi's hilarious.
action bronson
Stavros fucking.
joe rogan
Stavros is hilarious.
There's more funny comics now, I think, than ever.
action bronson
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah, it's a really good time for up and coming people, new people.
There's a lot of excitement about comedy.
Then there's Kill Tony, which is this awesome platform for them.
action bronson
Were you doing that last night?
joe rogan
No, I wasn't there last night.
action bronson
Because I drove by the mothership and it was cranking.
It was cranking.
joe rogan
That was Kill Tony night.
I wasn't there last night, but Ari Shafir was there.
Luis J. Gomez was there.
It was a great setup.
It's always a good show.
It's always a fun show.
Gives people legit opportunity to get on stage and either to get on YouTube or to get on Netflix in front of the whole fucking world.
And it could make your career.
It could make your life.
It could change everything.
action bronson
It's not like a voice type of vibe.
It's more of like a fucking real show and then just people see you there.
It's not like a competition.
joe rogan
No, no, no, there's no competition.
But you do get one minute.
And if you do well, Tony invites you back.
Yeah.
Not judged, but you get feedback from the comics or everybody's just fucking around.
It's all very loose and open.
action bronson
Showtime at the bottom.
joe rogan
You don't get yanked.
No, you don't get yanked.
You get your one minute.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
And if you suck, Tony roasts you.
And, you know, but sometimes the people that suck, they know they sucked and they're really funny talking about how they sucked.
It's just a great show.
But it's just an opportunity where comedians see there's a path.
All I have to do is keep doing open mics, put together an act, start getting a little road work, do kill Tony.
And then next thing you know, I'm headlining on the road like all these other guys that have become regulars on the show.
action bronson
There's a clear path.
joe rogan
Yeah, like you could really make a living and have a real career in comedy.
So, because of that, it's like comedy is really exciting right now.
It's like, and because of YouTube, because you could put your special.
Just, you don't need, like, you don't need big guys.
unidentified
You put it right up.
joe rogan
You don't need anything.
Just upload it onto YouTube.
Next thing you know, it's got a million views.
Holy shit.
You're off and running.
And then people could, the best thing about YouTube is people could share it.
You could see a funny comedy special.
Oh shit, you got to watch this.
You send it to me.
I'm like, ah!
And then I'll send it to him.
And that's how things happen.
It's like, that never existed before.
unidentified
So, that.
joe rogan
Paves the way for more comics to be encouraged to try it because there's an if you got a work ethic and you're willing to do it, there's an actual path to having a career.
action bronson
Yeah, because before it had it was like a little bit like luck, you had to meet the right person, and now there's like getting to the major leagues.
Yeah, go to the minors, you go through here, he's clear.
joe rogan
What's the pathway for rappers?
action bronson
I don't know.
There's really none.
Nowadays, I believe it's all the same thing.
You just choose your own path.
joe rogan
Just become mayor.
action bronson
Yeah.
You fucking kidding me?
I'd love to do that.
The mayor, if I could be the mayor.
joe rogan
Yeah, you could be the mayor.
action bronson
Just someone got to feed me some political situations that are good.
Good things only.
I don't want to do anything bad.
No, but like the path to being a rapper, there's really, first off, you have to be just nice.
You have to be good.
You shouldn't be doing it if you suck.
unidentified
Right.
action bronson
And some, your friends should tell you, yo, listen, this is not for you.
Let's step away from this and do something else.
joe rogan
Right.
action bronson
You have to have good people around you.
I had a lot of people around me that are fucking straight up haters, very raw deal people, and no one told me to stop.
unidentified
Of course.
action bronson
And that inspired me to keep going.
And honestly, you just have to have it within you.
You either have it or you don't.
I've been around here now 16 years, and I've seen a lot of fucking people come and go.
But I've been a constant, and I don't even think I've peaked in any area of life yet.
Driving Into The Unknown 00:07:10
action bronson
Truly.
I feel like I'm on the brink of, I'm always on the brink of a new exploration, a new breakthrough.
And that's how I take things, because I don't like, I don't want to be stagnant.
I look older.
I'm visibly grizzled.
I'm visibly Sean Connery'd.
But because I started later, you didn't see me as a fucking 15 year old kid jumping around.
Right.
I came in as a 27 year old man.
joe rogan
Right.
action bronson
So you've seen me throughout the years, I've just now, I'm more of a man.
joe rogan
Right.
action bronson
So I didn't start as a little babyface, you know?
A lot of these kids, you see them 16 years later, they look the exact same because you saw them at 13.
Not me.
unidentified
Right.
I feel you.
You know?
action bronson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, that's a great attitude anyway.
If you're just continuing to improve at something, that's a great way to live life.
action bronson
I just like learning, man.
I love new experiences.
I want to fucking, like, I'm just finding new things that I love every single day of life.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
action bronson
Truthfully, man.
I feel blessed and special to have those type of outlets where I don't have to, like, search for shit and things.
Just like hobbies fall in my lap.
They do because I really am a connoisseur of many things in life that I love.
joe rogan
What other hobbies do you like?
action bronson
Like I said, I love gardening.
I love overlanding now.
joe rogan
You go overlanding?
action bronson
Bro, I want to take my truck everywhere now.
joe rogan
What kind of truck you got?
action bronson
I got a Sequoia.
unidentified
Ooh.
action bronson
Brand new 26.
It was the best purchase I've ever made in my life.
joe rogan
They never break.
action bronson
They never break.
And New York was so fucking heavy duty.
I was like in war mode.
There was nothing stopping me.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Four wheel drive.
action bronson
800 wheel drive that car got.
It got power like you can't believe.
It's perfect.
joe rogan
Toyotas are hard to go wrong.
action bronson
I love Toyota.
joe rogan
Hard to go wrong with a Toyota.
action bronson
I love Toyota.
I had Jeeps for a while.
But I started, my mother had the 83 Toyota Celica.
That was our first car.
We called it Brownie.
It got us everywhere.
Then we made the change to the 94 Jeep Grand Cherokee Forest Green.
We had that for a long time until we got the Hyundai Sonata that I got stolen by accident.
You know, it was the morning before, that was the night before the Brett Favre jet experiment that was going to happen.
You know, he went to the Jets.
I went to the store in my underwear that I always do up the block from my house.
Bought a vanilla Dutch and a set for life, and two fucking kids jumped in the car and just dipped.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
unidentified
So.
joe rogan
And you were in your underwear?
action bronson
I was in my underwear.
I had to fucking make the police report in underwear.
Why are you in underwear?
First off, that was the first question.
Why are you in underwear?
joe rogan
That's a solid question.
action bronson
I said, Should I take them off?
You want me to take them off?
Are you crazy?
joe rogan
It does make the situation weirder.
action bronson
It makes it all weirder.
Why I left with underwear on only.
Yeah, it was hot out.
joe rogan
I wouldn't advise that.
action bronson
No, no, don't do that.
Even if you're going to your local store.
joe rogan
Did you do things to the Sequoia?
Did you put a lift on it?
What'd you do?
action bronson
Yeah, I put the lift on it.
joe rogan
Did you change the tires?
action bronson
Yeah, some 35s, some Toyos.
Oh, shit, look at you.
I went nuts.
I got the crazy rack.
joe rogan
Yeah, I got a roof rack, the whole deal.
action bronson
I even got a roof rack.
joe rogan
Nice.
action bronson
No, but I really, you know, I'm trying to throw the Dobbinsons kit on there, so it's really lifted.
And I want to go, I want to do like a Dakar rally vibe.
joe rogan
Okay, so do you want to take this and just go out into the woods and camp out for a while?
action bronson
I want to do that too.
But I want to drive to the unknown.
joe rogan
Just drive over through the unknown.
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
There's a trip that these guys.
It's probably not.
It's not the move.
It's too big.
It's too burly.
unidentified
I need.
joe rogan
Old Land Cruisers are the move.
unidentified
I need.
joe rogan
Like 80 series Land Cruisers.
action bronson
I need something that's a little bit more mobile.
You're right.
I've been looking to go maybe Mitsubishi Pejero.
Right hand drive or.
joe rogan
You know what's real good?
Is the Lexus GX.
action bronson
Oh, that's the one.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
A little soft.
The comfort.
action bronson
Uh huh.
unidentified
Comfort.
joe rogan
But also, a lot of dudes take those and put lifts on them, and there's a lot of aftermarket stuff available for them.
Because they're so luxury.
And they're so fucking reliable.
action bronson
That's that Toyota motor.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't go wrong with Toyotas.
Bro, they know that.
action bronson
They try to go Toyota.
Holler at me.
unidentified
Come on.
action bronson
I'm the perfect goddamn Toyota.
joe rogan
Yeah, I have a 95 Land Cruiser.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I love those things.
action bronson
Champagne?
unidentified
What color?
joe rogan
No, it's silver.
unidentified
Silver.
Silver.
joe rogan
It's Lexus Atomic Silver.
I had it painted.
action bronson
Oh, my God.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's dope.
action bronson
She gets me crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
And that fucking thing you got the Raptor, the Hennessy.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, I got the Raptor.
action bronson
It's more than the Hennessy.
What is it?
The fucking VSOP.
joe rogan
No, it's the Hennessy.
It's the Hennessy 1000.
So they take a Raptor R and turn it into a 1,000 horsepower pickup truck.
It's ridiculous.
Totally necessary.
action bronson
It's 100%.
Do you overland here?
joe rogan
No.
action bronson
Just fucking drive the streets.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, I've taken it out to ranches before, though.
I've taken it out to ranches.
action bronson
You need that vehicle for the ranch.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It helps.
It definitely helps when you're getting over stuff.
Those things have so much wheel travel, those Raptors.
They're so good, especially the Hennessy because it's even more lifted.
It's so good at articulating over spaces.
action bronson
You're saying independent arms?
joe rogan
Well, it's just the suspension is designed to be pliable, right?
It's like when you're going over fucked up ground, it moves with it.
The thing about those old Land Cruisers is that they all had solid axles front and rear.
That's like a real hardcore off-roading vehicle.
unidentified
Durable.
joe rogan
And because it turns like the side.
You've seen like guys going overlanding with land cruisers where they have like the crazy.
action bronson
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
With the rocks where they're going over like.
joe rogan
Dudes get obsessed with those weird trails, like just getting up them.
action bronson
I'm starting to be.
I'm just.
The burn is there.
I'm just little by little.
Soon you'll see me in fucking Moab going crazy through the rocks.
unidentified
For real.
She got a Jeep.
joe rogan
Jeeps are really good for that because they're real small.
They're not very big, you know.
Two door Jeep or four door Jeep.
They're real small, easy to move.
A lot of fucking stuff that you could get put on them.
A lot of aftermarket stuff for Jeeps.
action bronson
How much fun is that to put shit on things?
Oh, so fun.
Like to fucking soup things up.
So exciting.
I'm working on an 87 M6 right now that I've had just sitting there in my garage for 12 years.
unidentified
Really?
action bronson
About to give it a new life.
joe rogan
What are you going to do to it?
action bronson
Baja.
unidentified
Really?
action bronson
Making it a rally car, lifting it.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
action bronson
Big wheels.
unidentified
Really?
action bronson
I'm done dropping things.
I'm only lifting things now.
unidentified
Wow.
action bronson
I've dropped every fucking BMW I've ever had to the ground where you're just scraping.
joe rogan
You're subconsciously preparing for the end of civilization.
Bro, I think so.
We're going to have to go off the roads.
action bronson
I got the Japanese G.I. Joe truck.
I'm prepping everything.
Yeah.
joe rogan
You have an apocalypse vehicle.
Yeah.
I recommend those.
You should get one.
When things go sideways, you've got to have something that can go away from the road.
unidentified
100%.
joe rogan
Apocalypse vehicle.
You're on the highway, you're stuck?
action bronson
I can't even get in the fucking thing right now.
I could, but it wouldn't be as good.
unidentified
It sucks.
Apocalypse Vehicle Prep 00:14:59
action bronson
It's those seats that hug your ass.
I don't want anyone hugging my ass.
joe rogan
Little tying guy with a cigarette, man.
unidentified
Exactly.
action bronson
Fucking with his legs crossed in the car.
joe rogan
Like this.
Like the real deep bend.
action bronson
Bro, who could cross their legs with the deep bend?
My nuts don't allow that.
It's a European thing.
joe rogan
Art Shapir does it.
He sits like that, but he's fine.
action bronson
Ask him about his nuts.
What do they do when that happens?
joe rogan
Tucks them in there somewhere.
They go in the space, the gap, the gap between the two legs.
You know?
action bronson
That's a crazy way to sit for your own subconscious to know that's how you're sitting.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
That your shit's tucked.
joe rogan
You're crushing nuts.
unidentified
Yeah, nah.
jamie vernon
I can't do it.
joe rogan
Well, you and I both have tree trunk legs.
action bronson
Yeah, no, that's true.
There's no way.
joe rogan
It won't work like that.
action bronson
There's no way.
joe rogan
Go over there like that.
action bronson
I could barely do it.
joe rogan
Let's do it.
action bronson
Let's do it.
joe rogan
Adam Corolla talks about this.
He's like, it's a thing that liberals do to let you know that they think the way you think.
action bronson
To sit like that is unreal.
joe rogan
It's like they've got this cross, like, well, it's like a feminine expression.
I'm not threatening.
I'm basically progressive.
You know, I'm, you know, I've got the legs in the proper position.
action bronson
It's letting you know.
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
It's all body language.
joe rogan
Whereas Trump sits like this with his hands over his balls.
action bronson
Fucking.
joe rogan
He holds his hands.
action bronson
Everything's open.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's got like, look at the hover right over his cock.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's so ridiculous.
unidentified
Oh, man.
joe rogan
Well, women always get mad on subways because men man spread.
But the reason why is that's how our hips are designed.
What is this?
The microphone's running on his cock?
That's ridiculous.
unidentified
Oh, man.
joe rogan
That is ridiculous.
action bronson
It's a funny picture.
joe rogan
So, how did Ancient Aliens, that show that you did, you getting high watching Ancient Aliens, how'd that even start?
action bronson
Vice was about to fucking take over the History Channel.
joe rogan
And they just needed content?
unidentified
No.
action bronson
I was like, yo, you guys are fucking bugging.
You're not taking this off.
This has to stay.
Like, yo, ancient alien, this comes with vice.
Like, this is now going to be transferred.
And they were like, I don't know if we could do it.
So I had to go and speak to the homie who invented it.
He gave me his blessings.
I sat with him for like four hours.
He was talking shit to me, whatever.
Convinced him.
He was, I was like, yo, this is not a joke.
Like, everything is tongue in cheek and ridiculous, but this is how it makes us feel.
I'm a proponent.
I'm a believer.
If I need to talk to Giorgio Sukalos, bring him here.
Whatever.
So he believed me and he, like, he gave us the blessing.
He recently, he didn't recently pass, but he passed a couple of years ago and.
unidentified
Well, who did?
Giorgio?
action bronson
No, not Giorgio, but the main creator.
His name is fucking stupid.
joe rogan
Giorgio's the meme.
action bronson
He's the meme, yeah.
He's the hare.
joe rogan
I'm not saying it's aliens.
action bronson
He's the hare.
joe rogan
But it's aliens.
action bronson
But there's a lot of other sicko dudes on there that I know.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, there's a lot of them.
action bronson
Sean Eric, the guy who just died, also.
joe rogan
Von Denneken?
action bronson
Von Dennett, yeah.
Eric Von Denneken.
joe rogan
Eric Von Denneken, yeah.
I met him.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, my friend Eric Weinstein brought me to a lunch where he was at, and I had a chance to talk to him about.
What he believes and all this stuff.
He was all in on the idea that aliens definitely came down here and built everything.
I'm more of a believer that there was an ending of civilization and a rebirth of it, and that what we're looking at is some incredible technology that humans had invented a long fucking time ago.
And that's what's responsible for all these structures that we don't understand.
Like the ones in Mexico are crazy, man.
They didn't know, they just uncovered those.
I didn't know that until like.
Not that long ago.
action bronson
Yeah, these were.
joe rogan
I thought the Aztecs built all that shit.
action bronson
Well, think about all these things that they're finding now.
Like, I've seen recently, like, all these pyramids they're finding in Antarctica.
joe rogan
Well, I know that there's one mountain.
Or in China.
action bronson
It's just odd looking.
Yeah, the odd looking nature of it.
There's, like, domes and, like, points underneath.
joe rogan
It looks weird.
That one looks weird.
There's a bunch of them in the Amazon that look really weird.
action bronson
Like, when they do the LIDAR.
Underneath the riverbed, there's like civilization under there.
There's like true civilization in certain areas of the Amazon.
joe rogan
Yeah, I have a friend of mine, Luke Caverns, who goes and explores these things all the time.
We were actually just talking about one of them that I think is in Peru.
I sent it to him and I asked him, I said, hey, is this legit?
And he's like, yeah, absolutely.
Not only is it legit, but you can't get there.
Like, it's a really hard place to visit, it's almost impossible to get there.
And no one's really looked into it in terms of like, here it is.
I found it.
action bronson
So, what'd they do?
An overhead?
joe rogan
Well, they have images of it, and you look at the image and you're like, whoa, what is going on here?
Like, this is weird.
Like, the image here I'm saying.
action bronson
It's like full civilization along the bank.
joe rogan
Well, it's in the middle.
In the middle of the water.
I think it's deep in the jungle, and I think it's very difficult to get to.
But the thing is, a lot of the jungle, a lot of the Amazon, a lot of this stuff is.
There's areas where people don't necessarily know how many people were living there a thousand years ago or two thousand years ago.
It could have been like densely packed.
Like, look at that.
action bronson
That looks like a densely packed area with people.
joe rogan
What the fuck is that?
Like, that does not look.
That's the AI version.
But go back to that.
That's a real picture.
Bro, that does not look natural at all.
It doesn't match anything around it.
action bronson
That's crazy.
joe rogan
It looks like something that someone built.
It doesn't mean that it's something that someone built, and it might just be that angle, right?
If you look at it from the other side, it might look like bullshit.
action bronson
But from that angle, there's angles of.
There's isosceles right there.
unidentified
There's.
action bronson
How this triangular situation is going on.
joe rogan
They say, but it said in that image.
action bronson
But it don't look like it's four sides.
It looked like five sides.
Boom, boom, boom.
joe rogan
It's hard to say.
unidentified
Boom, boom.
joe rogan
No, it could be four.
It just could be four.
Because where it is, if you just reverse it, you just reverse what you're saying.
unidentified
You're right.
joe rogan
So it says geologists refer to this formation as Cerro Elcano, attributing its sharp angles and pyramid like structure to the slow, patient work of wind, rain, and erosion over countless centuries.
Or someone built it.
Like, if you're not exploring it and you're saying that this thing that looks just like a pyramid, you think it was made by pyramid, by slow, patient work of wind and rain.
action bronson
But there's no other rock around it.
Why didn't the patience happen there?
This is a straight up plane.
joe rogan
It doesn't make any sense.
action bronson
This is a jungle plane.
joe rogan
That looks like a person built it.
Those are right angles.
And it's covered with bushes.
So you've got to think what did it look like when it.
And they haven't gone and checked it out.
I'll tell you what Luke said to me because Luke is actually an expert in this stuff.
This is what he does.
He goes and visits these places.
And he was telling me, it's like this stuff is so strange because there's a bunch of these kind of structures that are in the jungle.
All of them haven't been explored, and there's a lot of resistance.
He says it's deep in uncontacted tribe land.
There's a small river that can get you within the 25 mile mark.
He said it's crazy out there.
So it's just like you just have a really difficult time in getting to it.
I mean, there's a river that can get you within 25 miles of it.
unidentified
Okay.
action bronson
And then what?
joe rogan
Then you've got to walk through the jungle 25 miles to get there.
What does it look like on Google Earth?
What does it look like though?
I know, but get that stupid little dot off of it.
action bronson
That's right at the border of Peru and Brazil?
joe rogan
Bro, what's under there?
I want to know what's under there.
Boy, that does look like a fucking pyramid, man.
That looks like a pyramid that's covered with bushes.
action bronson
Yeah, out in the middle of nowhere.
joe rogan
They find all of them.
action bronson
Those are other ones?
jamie vernon
Hey, look at that.
It's in a similar line.
action bronson
It looks like it's in a pattern of a star in the sky.
Right, the tree, the tree, boom, boom, boom, and then that.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's weird.
Oh, here's another one.
Did you see that they think that there's a second sphinx in Egypt?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, so they've done scans of this area where a second sphinx would be, and there's something under the sand.
That's the size of a sphinx.
action bronson
Would it be next to the original one?
joe rogan
It's in the same area, like the same area.
So you have your pyramids, and then there's a sphinx, and on the opposite side, there's another sphinx.
action bronson
But the sphinx isn't the sphinx.
It was something else.
The face was something else, right?
unidentified
They think.
joe rogan
They think the face was a lion's face, and then.
action bronson
Well, like that dog, that long snouted dog that they have?
joe rogan
Could be.
I don't think they think it's that, though.
I think they think it's a lion.
And so there's one exactly opposite of it.
I mean, and so this one, what does it look like when they showed that image, the scan?
jamie vernon
I mean, I don't think there's anything there.
joe rogan
But what did the scan say?
unidentified
I don't.
joe rogan
Would you scroll up?
See, that's a scan.
And it said something above it.
It said, scans hinting at complex megastructure beneath the Giza Plateau.
And so satellite images of the Giza Plateau reportedly captured this dune, which the signal processing researcher claims measures approximately 108 feet tall.
The first sphinx sits slightly below the surrounding surface in a shallow depression, so it's quite possible the second sphinx could be hidden beneath this higher mound.
So it's in the right position where a second sphinx would be.
Because I think.
unidentified
Side by side.
action bronson
Would they be side by side?
joe rogan
No, I don't think so.
I think they.
It's like the pyramids are in the center, sphinx going that way, sphinx going that way.
I think that's the idea.
Does sphinx appear in pairs more than once?
Are they.
Would they look in for it because that's a normal.
Like, set up?
Like, what's the normal configuration of sphinxes?
Yes, sphinxes frequently appear in pairs in ancient Egypt, Greek, and Roman art, often acting as guardians in pairs or long avenues at temple entrances rather than as solitary monuments like the Great Sphinx.
unidentified
I mean, that makes sense, right?
action bronson
If they're facing opposite ways, also, the ones guarding the exit, the ones at both entrances, they're far away from each other, though.
joe rogan
Right, but far in relative position to how far the sphinx is from the pyramids in the first place.
jamie vernon
Well, then we'd have to ask, like, Do they appear in pairs far away from each other, not next to each other?
Because that's sort of saying like they're guarding doors next to each other.
joe rogan
Well, there's guarding lions.
I understand, but.
action bronson
Or just entrances.
If there's two entrances, you need them.
joe rogan
Well, let's put that into perplexity.
Ask it when sphinxes appear in pairs, what is the configuration?
What is the configuration?
What is the configuration?
So maybe it'll tell us there and give us maybe they are like right next to each other, and then this doesn't make any sense.
In both Egyptian art and architecture, sphinxes very often appear in pairs, usually flanking an axis such as a road, doorway, or staircase.
So, like two in front of a doorway.
Temple approaches, rows, or pairs of sphinxes commonly line the processional roads with one on each side of the central path.
So, usually, like on two sides of a door, gates and doorway, gateways and doorways, pair of sphinx orientation idea.
Modern popular writers often say one faces east and the other faces west.
Okay, well, that's different.
action bronson
That's what they would have found.
joe rogan
So, it's possible that they did it in several different ways, but often in twos.
jamie vernon
So, if they do have one big sphinx and there's another, yeah, but it's pulling that from a Facebook post talking about this potential second one.
joe rogan
Oh, interesting.
Interesting.
So, it might be harsh.
jamie vernon
Just a grain of salt with.
joe rogan
It is all right.
We won't know until they get in there, but if they if it is there and it's just under sand, that's not that big of a deal because they had to uncover this one.
action bronson
When this one does it take to excavate these things, it'll take a while.
joe rogan
I mean, it's a lot of sand, like but depends on how many workers, how many machines.
Also, they have to do it carefully.
Oh my goodness, you want to make sure you don't fuck up the sphinx.
But if there is a sphinx under there, that would be fucking nuts.
They found a second sphinx and they dug it out and they're like, oh, look at that sphinx.
Oh, that's a lady's head.
With one today.
action bronson
The nurturer.
joe rogan
That's weird.
What a weird head.
Like, it's got pointy ears, right?
Are those ears pointy, or is that just where the hair goes?
unidentified
Hair.
joe rogan
How weird.
Well, maybe it was a chick.
And they're like, nah, make it my face.
unidentified
One big chick.
One big chick.
jamie vernon
One big breast?
joe rogan
Yeah, one hard one.
action bronson
Fucking arm is jacked.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't like it.
A little too much.
action bronson
Yeah, I mean, total recall.
Three breasts if you want.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Isn't it weird that we like two, but we don't like three?
action bronson
Yeah, no, three is gross.
joe rogan
Three is gross.
action bronson
Because it's weird, that middle part.
You don't want the separation.
Natural, you don't want like a third, it's like a fucking weird ornament.
joe rogan
You know how a girl would have to be to pull off a third tit.
They'd be like, I think I like it.
I didn't like it when I first met her, but now I really like it.
unidentified
Why not?
action bronson
We're in the future, total recall.
joe rogan
But if it was normal to have three boobs, that's what we would like.
That's what's weird.
Like the female shape, the desired female shape, like the fertility doll shape.
It's very weird how that could have been a bunch of different shapes.
Like for an ant, it's something a little honey on its ass.
unidentified
Exactly.
action bronson
But this is also a thing.
Why are we so obsessed with ass?
I know, I am obsessed with an ass, and shit comes from it.
Like you shit.
Horrible things from your ass, but yet I love looking at that ass.
joe rogan
People are complex.
action bronson
And I dream of biting that ass.
Like, why?
When I know fecal comes from it.
joe rogan
People are confusing.
We're confusing to each other.
action bronson
I'm confused at myself.
unidentified
You should be.
action bronson
I really am.
But I love myself.
Mike Tyson told me to never speak bad about myself because my subconscious doesn't know whether I'm joking or not.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Ooh, that's wise.
action bronson
I think he heard that from fucking Bruce Lee, though.
I'm not going to lie.
I heard Bruce Lee say that on some shit recently.
I was like, damn, Mike.
And then I heard Bruce Lee say it.
joe rogan
There's something true to that, for sure.
action bronson
There's no doubt.
joe rogan
No doubt.
Yeah.
action bronson
You know, I always call myself a jerk or a schmuck.
I'm not.
joe rogan
What's this, Jeremy?
jamie vernon
I'm looking at the oldest known pictures of the Sphinx.
joe rogan
This is the oldest known?
So part of it's still underground.
jamie vernon
Somewhere around 1850 to 1860.
unidentified
Wow.
jamie vernon
I'm trying to find a year on that.
It's actually 1892.
action bronson
That's nuts.
Dubai Construction Wonders 00:04:23
jamie vernon
It looks so strange.
joe rogan
The whole thing is so strange, man.
That place is so old.
Just even if you just go by what they think, which is 4,500 years ago, they built this thing.
That's so crazy.
That's so fucking long ago.
action bronson
Well, now they're gonna have fucking Rico Verhoeven and uh and who else fight there, right?
Oh, yeah, and Usik and fucking Verhoeven fight there.
joe rogan
That's nuts.
action bronson
That's kind of bugged out.
It is kind of bugged out, but I like the idea of using the backdrop.
No, the natural arenas, natural wonders arena.
We should have it in Rome.
We should have it, you know, by the way, it's hot.
joe rogan
Fuck out there.
action bronson
It's in the sandstorms.
How's this going to work?
joe rogan
What are they going to do?
action bronson
How's this going to work?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
What if there's a fucking sandstorm in the middle of the fight and they get sand in their eyes?
They're swinging blind.
action bronson
They fucking tried to do it in Times Square.
It was a mess.
joe rogan
Yeah, that didn't work out so well.
The fights weren't that good either.
Except Teofimo.
Teofimo fought really well.
action bronson
Well, you got to have.
You got to bring the right people.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Someone was saying that it's almost like they're paying them so much that these guys are scared to lose.
That they're.
You know what I mean?
Like that was the argument about that.
That Times Square car.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Because the Saudis came in and just went.
action bronson
Throwing that brake truck, man.
They don't like rap, huh?
unidentified
Open the door.
joe rogan
They probably do.
action bronson
They haven't hollered at me.
Oh, man.
I would go there.
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
I'd be interested in seeing the Middle East.
I'd be interested to see.
It'd be interesting to see all these places, man.
I've been to a lot of places on earth, but never over there.
joe rogan
I've been to Dubai.
Briefly for a UFC weigh in and the UFC, which was in Abu Dhabi.
So I've been there for that.
unidentified
And?
joe rogan
It was great.
That was a long time ago.
But obviously, it was the best possible conditions there with the UFC, staying in a nice hotel.
But a lot of money over there, man.
I'll tell you that.
Like when you're in Dubai, and this was quite a while ago.
So Dubai is even crazier now.
I mean, the construction there is just nuts.
It's just so fucking high tech and everything's beautiful and no crime.
action bronson
Looks like it seems like a great place to be.
joe rogan
Yeah, I know people just move to Dubai just because there's no crime.
action bronson
Yeah, but there's no hash either.
joe rogan
Yeah, right.
action bronson
There's hash, but they're not letting you smoke it.
joe rogan
Bro, you get caught with that.
You go to jail forever.
action bronson
Bro, they're the ones who have been making it for fucking millions of years.
What the hell?
I know, isn't that crazy?
What are they doing?
They're keeping it for themselves.
joe rogan
I wonder why they make it so illegal over there.
It doesn't make sense.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, because if they didn't, I wonder if they're just worried about people behaving foolishly because they don't have any tolerance for fucking around over there.
action bronson
Well, you fucking see Amsterdam.
That place is a goddam mess when it comes to weed.
Even since they made weed legal in America, in some places, it's a fucking carnival.
It's terrible.
It makes it.
unidentified
Huh?
joe rogan
Amsterdam is?
action bronson
No, no, no.
Just places in America also.
Like New York, now that weed is legal, it's disgraceful.
In what way?
Just the culture, like people smoking weed in the street, like.
unidentified
Openly.
action bronson
Not just openly, but like obnoxiously.
Like everything is obnoxious.
joe rogan
Like weed smoke everywhere?
action bronson
It's not just that.
It's just the way it's done is obnoxious.
unidentified
Mm hmm.
joe rogan
It's just like we can finally do it legally.
action bronson
Yeah, let's fucking go.
Let's be real stupid about it.
joe rogan
Do you think that that'll eventually settle down and this is just because it's a new thing that's legal?
action bronson
Probably.
joe rogan
I think so.
action bronson
And it's really not even the people who, like, you know, it's not like I'm a connoisseur of smoking weed, but I kind of am.
unidentified
Right.
action bronson
And I like to do it in a certain way, but I'm not judging how anyone else does it, but I feel like my way is best.
I hear what you're saying.
Nice and chill.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
Chilling in the crib.
joe rogan
You don't want to annoy other people with it.
That's the problem.
action bronson
Not having to be like old school back in the day.
I used to come into class smelling like the most weed that I possibly could because that was what I was trying to exude.
I was trying to be cool.
Come in smelling like the stuff.
You have your friends blowing on you?
unidentified
Blowing on me.
action bronson
Bro, you go in and you're like, whoo, who's fucking smelling?
That was like some rush.
unidentified
Right.
action bronson
Being in class and that happened.
And you're all stoned and shit in the back.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It worked out for you.
unidentified
It did.
joe rogan
A lot of people probably thought it wouldn't, though, right?
Black Hole Mysteries 00:08:41
action bronson
There's no doubt about it.
Are you kidding me?
Yeah.
I've been sold short my whole life.
joe rogan
It would be funny, too, those people that had a bad opinion of it back then, and they look at you now and like, boy, did I call that one wrong?
action bronson
Just in general, man, like, I did all right.
I did all right.
I've been reflecting a lot under the stars and in nature.
Well, I'm just having.
joe rogan
When you're overlanding?
action bronson
Yeah, because when I'm not overlanding, now I'm camping.
unidentified
Whoa.
action bronson
Now I'm camped.
unidentified
Stay.
action bronson
Now I'm at camp, base camp.
Now I'm on the ground.
Yeah, I'm grounding.
Take my shoes off, feel the grass.
joe rogan
Dude, I went down a crazy space rabbit hole last night.
I was going down this rabbit hole of black holes.
And you remember, Jamie, I told you about that black hole that they found that's as big as our galaxy?
Yeah.
Not our galaxy, excuse me, our solar system.
They found a black hole that is so big that it's bigger than from here all the way to Pluto.
Well, they found one now that's bigger than our galaxy.
They found a black hole that's larger than the.
I think it's called Phoenix A. See if we can find the Phoenix A black hole.
action bronson
If it's larger than the galaxy, there's really no measurement of what this is.
To even think about you saying, yo, it's bigger than our galaxy, what the fuck is that?
joe rogan
What the fuck is that?
The way this person in this video was explaining.
Explaining it, it's so insane because the amount of time that it would take for a black hole to suck in that much matter to become that massive, there's not enough time since the birth of the universe.
So they're confused as to how it's formed.
They're like, well, maybe we're wrong about how these things are formed.
It's roughly 100 times larger than the distance between the Sun and Pluto, with a diameter of roughly 590 billion kilometers.
Unlike many supermassive black holes that inhabit star formation, That inhibits star formation.
Phoenix A is currently in a phase of rapid growth, consuming enough matter to grow about 60 solar masses per year.
This activity drives high rates of star formation in its surrounding galaxy.
unidentified
Fuck.
action bronson
Is there any way to diagnose this black hole from here?
Can we see it through any telescope, any high powered thing?
joe rogan
Well, they detected it, but I don't understand how they detect it.
action bronson
But any of them.
Can we see any of them in real time?
joe rogan
You can't really see a black hole.
What you see is everything around the black hole getting sucked into it.
action bronson
Yeah, well, you see some sort of weird movement, no?
joe rogan
Right.
jamie vernon
I saw this.
I thought you were headed towards this.
I saw this within the last couple of days.
joe rogan
Anton Petrov?
unidentified
No, no.
jamie vernon
The Milky Way lives in this thing called a void that is like a black hole, but it's like 2 billion light years across.
And we're in the middle of it.
unidentified
What?
jamie vernon
Look at that picture as an example of what that would be.
unidentified
Wow.
jamie vernon
There's nothing else around us.
action bronson
That's perfectly clear.
joe rogan
So is that circle supposed to be the Milky Way?
jamie vernon
Yeah, that would be the Milky Way.
joe rogan
That's the galaxy.
jamie vernon
Billion light years to get to the direction.
joe rogan
But that's Earth.
jamie vernon
I know.
Again, it's not the best.
Earth is in the Milky Way, so it's showing you that.
joe rogan
Okay, so the Milky Way is just in the center of a void.
Is that uncommon?
jamie vernon
I don't know.
joe rogan
That's the thing.
It's like, are all these galaxies in the center of a void?
But just the idea that there's a supermassive black hole out there that's 100 times more massive or 100 times larger than the distance between Earth and Pluto.
Like, what?
unidentified
What do you think?
joe rogan
What?
action bronson
This is why we have to be smoking weed in front of a green screen talking about this and having weird people come on and comment.
joe rogan
Have you been paying attention to this news about these UFO researchers and scientists that have been going missing?
That are going missing?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What do you think of that?
action bronson
Listen, don't top doctors go missing.
Don't top physicists go missing.
Don't fucking Ash.
All these fucking people who are in.
unidentified
Facts.
action bronson
You know?
Power positions.
unidentified
Not even.
action bronson
Just position of high intelligence, knowledge.
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
They go bye bye.
The best heart surgeons on earth, seven of them were on the same fucking plane that went down.
What do you know?
The best, whatever, whatever.
They just found the cure for cancer.
These 10 doctors, they're on a PJ to fucking who the hell knows where, and they go down.
jamie vernon
Jesse wrote a good write up about them all that I think explains the angle we would prefer to hear about, you know, like conspiracies and UFOs and stuff.
joe rogan
So he thinks it's a conspiracy?
jamie vernon
No, he's laying out the possibility of it being a conspiracy, at least from that angle.
action bronson
It's just crazy that all these top doctors and top things and physicists and just like these people just disappear.
joe rogan
One of them was a general who's also a.
jamie vernon
He's the.
action bronson
Generals know shit.
jamie vernon
He's the king.
unidentified
He was.
jamie vernon
He was in charge of, I think, the UFO program.
joe rogan
Right.
jamie vernon
If there is one.
joe rogan
If there is one.
But if you did.
Didn't he just leave the house with just a gun?
jamie vernon
I don't.
Yeah.
That's on the screen what he left with.
joe rogan
He took a red backpack, his wallet, and a.38 caliber revolver.
jamie vernon
Left behind his phone.
joe rogan
He left behind his phone.
His wife reported him missing within three hours.
Despite FBI involvement, Air Force Office of Special Investigation, search dogs, drones, helicopters, horseback teams, Fleer sweeps and 700 canvas households.
No confirmed sightings of McCasland has ever surfaced.
Surveillance cameras covered both ends of his street.
None captured his direction of travel.
After weeks of searching, the only item recovered was a gray Air Force sweatshirt a mile east of his house.
Testing could not confirm it was his.
jamie vernon
So he was the first one to disappear and then the hair came off?
He was the first one to disappear and then another one disappeared.
And they're like, well, they actually might have worked together.
And then, like, every other day, it's like, now another one and another one and another one.
joe rogan
Also, if you knew something that the whole world didn't know, like, if you knew the human race was just a bunch of soul containers for some super advanced alien race that just uses us as a farm.
unidentified
Yeah, here's the purpose.
joe rogan
And you're like, what's the purpose?
jamie vernon
His name pops up is because his name was in the.
action bronson
Oh, just an empty body with fucking aliens hosting us.
joe rogan
Hacked emails from Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman, John Podesta, revealed correspondence from Tom DeLong.
Naming McCaslin directly.
DeLonge?
I'm saying it wrong, right?
No, it's Tom DeLonge.
unidentified
DeLonge.
joe rogan
DeLonge wrote that McCaslin helped assemble his advisory team, was deeply aware of what DeLonge was trying to achieve, had received a four hour briefing on the project.
DeLonge added that McCaslin ran the laboratory at Wright Patterson where the Roswell material was shipped.
But that's all speculation.
jamie vernon
What's the part?
joe rogan
The Roswell material.
action bronson
They keep talking about Roswell and this and that.
There's so much.
Why are they.
Why is it always like focused on that shit?
Sorry, we don't have headphones on.
unidentified
Say it again.
jamie vernon
He did run, it was in charge of the Air Force lab at Wright Pat.
That's why it's linked to the Roswell material.
That could be the part you put in parentheses, but he did run that lab.
joe rogan
It's all very interesting because that is the lore was that that's where the wreckage was shipped.
jamie vernon
And then the one we were talking about yesterday, Monica Rez, I looked her up.
She is known for being on a patent of some super metal alloy.
I was looking that up yesterday.
That doesn't mean anything specifically.
joe rogan
This is the lady that vanished.
jamie vernon
Right.
joe rogan
She was the lady that was hiking.
Her friend turned around, saw her, kept hiking, said something to her, kept hiking, turned around a little while later, and she was gone.
No one ever found her.
jamie vernon
Co invented an alloy called Mondoloy, which is used in rocket engines currently.
joe rogan
Dun, dun, dun.
unidentified
Come on.
joe rogan
And maybe working on some new shit.
Uh huh.
Maybe.
action bronson
I mean, those people who got those patents to all those metal, like the fucking guy who got the patent to the clip that turns the gun into an automatic or the.
joe rogan
Mm hmm.
action bronson
That's that shit.
joe rogan
Right.
action bronson
Those little components turn bigger things into like super situations.
joe rogan
Well, this is like a crazy alloy for spaceships.
action bronson
Yeah, but just because you need that.
joe rogan
Of course.
But it's kind of weird that that lady is the lady that goes missing.
So if you were a competitor country, I could see why you'd want to take out one of those scientists.
You know, definitely.
If you were involved in another industry that might be harmed by her work, like if her work would make your work obsolete, you might want to get rid of her.
unidentified
Get rid of her?
Scientist Disappearance Hype 00:01:38
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
Look, that's always happened.
People have always done that.
You can't take it out of the equation.
You've got to thoroughly investigate.
action bronson
This is, it's a story as old as time.
joe rogan
It is, right?
action bronson
You get rid of one person, the next one comes in.
If they're threatening to you, they go bye bye.
joe rogan
Especially in big business.
Rocket engines and alloys and space travel and something as small as fucking numbers betting.
action bronson
They kill you for betting numbers.
They're not going to kill you for that.
Truth.
Nothing but truth, man.
joe rogan
Well, listen, brother.
Thanks for being here.
Tell us, everybody, one more time your album.
action bronson
Gives a fuck.
joe rogan
Come on, dog.
unidentified
We do.
action bronson
No, I'm not here for that.
I'm just here to say hello.
joe rogan
I'm going to get people to check it out.
action bronson
You think they're going to give a shit?
joe rogan
I think they will.
Yeah, they like it.
action bronson
Fucking Planet Frog coming out real soon, man.
We're dropping now.
Yo, you already know that hype shit.
joe rogan
Hype shit.
action bronson
You know, I got all kinds of things.
I got many projects on the way for the year.
joe rogan
Fuck, that's delicious.
unidentified
Always.
action bronson
That's always going down.
unidentified
Always.
action bronson
You know that.
joe rogan
Boy, shout out to KG Barbecue.
action bronson
Yo, come on.
Made him a star.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
That was a good workout.
joe rogan
KG or KB?
action bronson
KG.
joe rogan
KG, yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
I wanted to make sure.
action bronson
Like I said, I just want to come and work out with you and just fucking chill, kick it, talk some fucking fights.
joe rogan
Anytime, sir.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Anytime.
unidentified
That's it.
joe rogan
It's always fun to hang with you.
action bronson
You too, bro.
joe rogan
Come on, brother.
action bronson
Like I said, I don't give a fuck about my album.
Fuck that shit.
Fuck everything else.
I'm here for a good time.
joe rogan
Well, it was a good time.
unidentified
Thank you.
joe rogan
Appreciate you always.
unidentified
You too, my brother.
All right.
All right.
joe rogan
Bye, everybody.
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