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April 21, 2026 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #2486 - Luis J Gomez

Joe Rogan and Luis J Gomez dissect internet culture's impact on reflection, contrasting arena performances with intimate comedy clubs. They analyze glyphosate's role in American health issues, AI's potential to replicate consciousness, and conspiracy theories surrounding a gigawatt "Stargate" portal for alien communication. The conversation critiques excessive government regulations, executive compensation disparities, and the persistence of tribalism, ultimately suggesting that societal polarization stems from modern media dynamics rather than inherent human nature. [Automatically generated summary]

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joe rogan
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jamie vernon
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ronan farrow
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Voice Your Opinion Now 00:05:21
unidentified
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luis j gomez
I filmed a special and then I just fucking fell off.
joe rogan
I had a margarita at dinner once and I was like, all right, I'm back.
luis j gomez
Yeah, that'll do it.
It's just that one.
You think, oh, let's have one.
joe rogan
It was nice.
I was drinking too much because owning a club there all the time, you know, how much.
Everyone's like, you want a shot?
You want a drink?
luis j gomez
Yeah, I can imagine.
When I'm at your club, I. Get blackout drunk every time.
Like an actual problem.
Like I walk down the stairs, I'm like, what the fuck just happened?
I drink so much at the mothership.
All of a sudden, in general.
Are we on?
unidentified
Are we?
joe rogan
I think we're rolling.
Yeah, the problem is Shane.
luis j gomez
Oh, yeah.
He's an animal.
I don't know how he does it.
I did the Bridgestone Arena with him on Friday night.
I mean, first of all, just insane.
Like 20,000 people.
unidentified
Right.
luis j gomez
I mean, fucking.
joe rogan
It's nuts.
luis j gomez
Saturday night, I did 95 people at the Dojo of Comedy.
joe rogan
Is that the first time you did a big one in the round?
luis j gomez
In the round, yeah.
joe rogan
In the round is like oddly intimate, isn't it?
Because everyone's facing each other.
luis j gomez
Yeah, you can.
It's pretty cool.
It feels like it's a club around you on the bottom.
You kind of like, it's so funny because people get like so in their head.
They're like, dude, it's all these people.
It's crazy.
I'm like, I perform to half sold out comedy clubs.
You know how much more nerve wracking it is to make eye contact with your fans that are disappointed that they're in a half sold out room than 20,000 people that are just there to be like, fucking Shane.
joe rogan
It's one of those things you just do it a couple of times and it gets normal.
Yeah.
Like all things.
luis j gomez
I'm sure.
joe rogan
Yeah, like all things.
luis j gomez
That's more fun, dude.
joe rogan
It is very fun.
luis j gomez
Oh, it's so much more fun.
It's very fun.
I would, just so you guys know, I would way rather perform to 20,000 people than 100.
I just want you to know that.
I don't know if that's a unique idea, but.
joe rogan
Yeah, 100's good too, though, because 100 really shows you if your bits are bullshit.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, 100 shows you the weak links and bits.
luis j gomez
You see them checking their phone.
joe rogan
No, it's in you feel it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You feel like you're delivering them horseshit.
You know, you feel like you're not appreciating what you're saying.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
luis j gomez
Of course.
And I think it's also like, it's such a spectacle when you go to like an arena where it's like people are like so lit.
And pumped to just like be there.
They're so happy.
unidentified
I know.
luis j gomez
I'm so excited.
I don't know how Sabrina Carpenter just came up in my feed from Coachella, little hot child.
And she's like, that's all my algorithm is now with Sabrina Carpenter.
joe rogan
My daughter loves her.
luis j gomez
I'm sure, yeah.
My girlfriend loves her.
joe rogan
She's got some good jams.
That espresso song, that's a really good song.
luis j gomez
Yeah, Manchild.
joe rogan
She's got some songs.
luis j gomez
That's my shit, dude.
It's become my shit.
I never heard any of her music before this past week, but the Coachella stuff has all been showing up.
And like, I'm watching these girls watch Sabrina Carpenter.
They're so happy.
unidentified
So happy.
luis j gomez
They're like, nothing will.
Like, they're like, just having the best moment of their life.
These 16 year old girls are like, fuck, it's a Brianna Carpenter.
joe rogan
That's why, like, people got to chill on things that they think suck.
Because it's just not for you, man.
luis j gomez
And that's okay.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's okay.
Like, spending all your time dwelling on things that aren't for you is so crazy.
luis j gomez
It's a crazy thing.
unidentified
It's just wasted time.
luis j gomez
It's internet culture.
That's what it is.
Like, the internet and social media became a thing where we gave everyone a voice, everyone has to have an opinion.
Nobody wants to admit they're wrong.
unidentified
Right?
luis j gomez
And they have to have a hot take, everything that happens within minutes.
joe rogan
Yep.
luis j gomez
Not even a moment to let me reflect.
Let me just do a little bit of research.
Let me just look up a couple facts.
They just jump into whatever their opinion is.
And that's the same thing when it comes to like, you know, entertainment and, you know, all your, and you, dude, you know better than anyone.
I was talking to Jamie before, like, you and Tony have become so big that it's become like, like, it's like culture.
It's not even like, like, I know you guys, you know what I'm saying?
So it's like, it's, but it's like when I remove myself from it, it's like you guys are as big as Sabrina Carpenter, like having a conversation about Joe Rogan going to the White House.
Or Sabrina Carpenter at Coachella, that's trending shit.
You know what I'm saying?
And people feel like they have to come out and just give their opinion on it right away.
If you don't like it, don't like it.
joe rogan
But that's also like, if you don't want people to have their opinions on you, don't go to the White House.
unidentified
That's a great point.
joe rogan
You know, like I don't fault them for getting, you know, whatever, whatever hot take, getting mad at me for whatever reason, go ahead.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's your thing.
You're allowed to, you're supposed to.
Like, if you're a comic, too, you're supposed to shit on people if you think they're doing something stupid.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
Do you get offended when comics shit on you?
No.
unidentified
Never.
joe rogan
No, I mean, I'm in this weird zeitgeist thing.
I don't get offended.
Some of them I think it's lame because I think I know them.
Like, I'm friends with them.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And they're like using me to get clout.
Like, if you really had a problem with me, you could just text me.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, if you really.
Felt like I was an anti vaxxer and I was endangering people's lives.
Fucking text me, bro.
You know me.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's weird.
It's weird when people do that.
And maybe they feel like an obligation, even though they know you, to speak publicly.
There's a lot of people that feel like they have to use their voice.
Like when something is wrong, they have to come out and say it, which.
luis j gomez
It's also boredom.
joe rogan
I understand the inclination.
I understand the inclination.
And people will tell you that, that you need to use your voice.
And if you feel like you need to use your voice, okay.
But what I'm saying is there's far too many people out there dwelling on things they do not like.
Versus things they like.
And this life is fucking short.
Life Is Short And Sweet 00:09:06
joe rogan
I am 58 years old.
I'm almost 59.
That's dead.
That's old as fuck.
luis j gomez
You got 20 years, best case scenario.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
If everything goes great, what are those 20 years like?
I mean, I'm holding it together thanks to Ways to Well and my obsessive need to work out.
But other than that, man, I feel it.
I feel it's slipping away.
It's going to.
luis j gomez
It's crazy.
I'm 44.
I just turned 44 a couple weeks ago.
And like, best case scenario, like, absolute best case scenario midlife.
Midlife, yeah, best.
My aunt has never worked out a day in her life, she's 89 years old.
She's just a fat old Italian lady, yeah, whatever she wants.
unidentified
It's the move, it might be, dude.
luis j gomez
Why am I so obsessed with trying to get in shape and eating right and doing all this other stuff?
My fat aunt just does whatever she wants, and she's an old Italian lady.
She's just gonna, she's as young as I've ever remembered her.
She's so with it, it's so funny to me.
joe rogan
I've vacationed in Italy a bunch of times, and I've gone to these little small towns.
There's always like a really nice restaurant, this little small town, you have to take like a van up into the hills.
luis j gomez
You're on like a cliffside with no guardrail.
joe rogan
You get to these places and you see these people having these three and a half hour dinners.
Everyone's relaxed.
They're all laughing.
Their family's around.
luis j gomez
Four generations.
There's 170 year old.
joe rogan
But no one's stressed out.
They're not all freaked out like Americans are.
They're also not fat.
These thin people.
And they're eating bread.
They're eating bread and pasta and fucking.
luis j gomez
Gelato and I went to Italy twice.
joe rogan
And they lived to be a hundred.
luis j gomez
My favorite place to visit, Italy.
I brought my son for a father son trip there years ago.
Then I just brought my whole family last year.
We went to Venice and Rome.
And yeah, dude, I have like a gluten intolerance.
Like if I eat a sandwich, I'm just going to, you'll see it on my face.
Like all I did was eat pasta, bread, gelato the whole time.
The whole time.
joe rogan
And you were fine.
luis j gomez
I lost five pounds.
I was like, for a week, I lost five fucking pounds.
People are like, dude, it's the walking.
I was like, it's not the walking.
Walking does not lose five.
You don't lose weight from walking if you're a person who actively exercises.
joe rogan
We are being poisoned.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
100%.
And, you know, RFK Jr. has been working really hard to try to stop a lot of what is fucking with us, with our diet in America.
God, the resistance is crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
Well, it's literally people decide what side they're on and they go, I don't care how good it might be.
Fuck you.
You're part of Trump's cabinet.
joe rogan
It's a little of that, but what I'm talking about is the resistance from corporations.
luis j gomez
Oh, yeah, I'm sure.
joe rogan
And the effect that they have on policy.
And then the reality of economics, like here was a big one.
Like he had to pass.
So there's this thing.
Do you know what glyphosate is?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Okay.
So it's an herbicide that they spray on plants.
And it's super bad for you.
It's super bad for you.
And it's banned in a lot of countries.
But it's used ubiquitously in the United States.
And there's some extraordinary number of people.
Oh, is this the process of spraying glyphosate?
luis j gomez
On the wheat?
Is this what they're spraying on the wheat?
joe rogan
Exactly.
So they spray it on the wheat.
As a desiccator.
So they spray it on the wheat after the wheat has already been harvested to keep it from growing mold, which is crazy.
They're going to spray poison to make sure that life doesn't grow on your wheat.
That's really what's going on.
It's like mold is a type of life.
And they want to make sure it doesn't grow on this wheat that they're going to sell you.
So they spray poison.
So RFK Jr. was trying really hard to stop that.
But Trump essentially said that if they passed this ban on glyphosate and they forced all these.
Farmers to stop moving glyphosate, it would destroy the farm market in America.
It would destroy it.
Like 90 something percent of these people use glyphosate.
unidentified
Wow.
luis j gomez
And you're like, that's because they have to, it preserves it essentially so they can keep it longer.
joe rogan
For wheat and then corn actually has like Roundup ready corn so you could spray it on the corn and it survives this shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So like it kills all the weeds around it, but the corn survives.
So we got this nuclear corn.
unidentified
That's bizarre.
joe rogan
And what's crazy is.
Our whole system depends on it.
Like, we've got a bad system.
And the solution is keep the bad system for now because if we don't feed people poison, then we'll go under.
It's so crazy.
And that's what it is in America.
That's why when you go to Italy, you get that Italian flour, which is heirloom wheat.
So, you know, Maynard from Tool, he explained this to me because he owns restaurants.
And he said that when you're getting wheat, From America, it's like got a higher yield per acre because it's like more gluten dense.
It has more complex glutens in it.
And your body just goes, whoa, like this is a lot.
You know that feeling that, like, whoa, because you're essentially eating glue.
When you eat pasta that you have it in Italy, or I'm not saying it doesn't have calories, but there's a difference in the way it feels when it goes in your body.
There's not a resistance.
It feels like food.
Become a glutton and I eat like a whole pizza in America if it's not at a good spot that you know uses Italian wheat.
I feel like I fucking poison myself.
luis j gomez
I literally feel, um, I mean, almost like a hangover, a weird like you feel it like in your veins.
joe rogan
So I don't know if that's the complex glutens, I don't know if that's glyphosate.
I think the glyphosate thing is probably dangerous, but yet also possibly overstated.
So it seems like the very low levels of glyphosate, our body can tolerate it.
But the real question is why are we fucking tolerating it?
Like, why is that there?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because there's people that think that that's what you're reacting to when you're eating wheat.
That you're reacting to your body's just like, what is this?
I don't like this fucking herbicide.
luis j gomez
Well, this also happened as I got older.
I don't even know what it was.
Like, I just never really had an issue with like pizza, pasta, wheat, anything when I was a kid.
I could eat a peanut butter jelly sandwich.
See, that's my mid 20s.
It just hit me in a different way.
And I don't actually, I don't know if you can develop a gluten intolerance or a gluten problem.
unidentified
It seems like a lot.
joe rogan
It happens to a lot of people as they get older.
I wonder what that is.
I wonder if that's just your body's just like, E, fuck enough, dude.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Your body just gives up on it.
It's like, but when you were young.
luis j gomez
But it's running more efficiently, just naturally.
joe rogan
You're young.
You're full of hormones.
Your body, the cells are replicating perfectly.
unidentified
Everything's great.
joe rogan
And I think your body could just burn it off.
Like, that's why hangovers weren't as bad when I was 20 either.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Hangovers were no big deal.
Just have some water the next day and you'll be good.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was not that bad.
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
Hangovers, if I have a hangover at 58, I'm like, what are you trying to die early, you fucking idiot?
luis j gomez
That's what I was saying about Shane at the stadium or the arena before.
It's like, we get there and I wasn't even drinking.
I stopped drinking, you know, regularly here and there.
But I was just, the best shape and the best mental state I've ever been in in my life was when I'm completely sober.
Completely sober, eating healthy, exercising every day.
That right there is the best.
That's the best version of everybody.
It's not a unique thing to myself, right?
But Shane, I was like, You know, he's fucking Shane.
She was like, come on, you gotta have a drink.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
So I was like, started drinking whiskey.
joe rogan
The best version of Shane is 11 Bud Lights.
unidentified
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
After 11, he's just unstoppable.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's a jolly drunk.
That's why.
luis j gomez
I don't know how he does it.
I don't know if I could have done it for more than two, three nights in a row.
I would die.
joe rogan
You ever smoke weed with a rapper?
It's the same shit.
It's like people get used to things.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, try smoking weed with Wiz Khalifa.
luis j gomez
Wiz Khalifa should try smoking weed with me.
unidentified
Really?
luis j gomez
Are you kidding me?
joe rogan
Are you really calling him out?
luis j gomez
I used to be bringing on Wiz Khalifa.
I used to be, I mean, I'm talking about.
An all day, every day, get up in the morning just to get going.
Five dabs.
Like, I like real deal pothead.
Blunt to the head.
I smoked one to the head a week ago, right before I trained.
And my sparring partner was like, You smell like weed.
I was like, I could never in a million years.
But it's just, I'm so used to it that.
joe rogan
Yeah, it becomes a normal state.
Well, a lot of people smoke.
It's the dirty secret of jujitsu.
A lot of people smoke weed before jujitsu.
What is Wiz doing?
Up the nose?
jamie vernon
He's doing nose dab, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
unidentified
You don't need to do that.
joe rogan
Why would you do that, Wiz?
That dude's jacked.
You ever see what Wiz looks like?
He got really into Muay Thai, like heavily into it, so he brings a guy with him everywhere he goes and hits pads.
He's fucking ripped, dude.
I mean, like a 10 pack.
It's crazy.
He looks fucking great, and his technique looks pretty solid.
luis j gomez
Just gets high, kicks shit.
How fun is that?
What a life.
joe rogan
Well, there's a The thing about when you're high, you feel your muscles more.
Like you feel like the little fibers.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, instead of it being a blunt thing, it's like you have access to all the fibers.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
And it's also you like, with jujitsu specifically, you get into like a flow state where you close your eyes and you're just fucking feeling things.
And it's like, I think that can actually help it.
joe rogan
I think it's a performance enhancer.
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joe rogan
I really do.
I always felt like my jujitsu game was 10% better if I was high.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
No bullshit.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I've really felt that.
I think Eddie would agree with that too.
I think a lot of people agree with that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, I think.
luis j gomez
Same thing with comedy.
It's like, it can be.
unidentified
It can be.
luis j gomez
I think if you're getting high every day, and then if you switch it up, then it's a performance enhancer.
Like, being right now, being completely sober, like, I feel like I'm on Adderall.
Like, I feel like I'm completely locked in in a different way.
Whereas, like, and then I'll stop smoking weed for six months, then I'll go back to it.
I'm like, oh, I've never been more creative.
It's just, I think it's just changing your mindset in whatever way you can do that.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
That's why people are so locked in on their, like, having the same opinions their entire lives.
It's like, somebody called me out on Twitter today.
They were like, dude, you flip flop constantly on things.
I was like, I mean, I've grown.
You've been watching me for 15 years on podcasts.
joe rogan
I'm now a full-time flip-flop.
I'm Captain Flip-flop.
I just don't think you should be married to your ideas.
I think the real problem is once you say something and then you have to defend it, and then once you find out that it's wrong, you fucking panic and then you double down and then you try to defend it in some weird fucking circular logic way.
luis j gomez
And you'll get there.
You'll probably get there.
If you're smart enough guys, we'll just figure out a way to ask backwards their logic.
But every once in a while, it's so nice to go, oh, dude, I was completely wrong about that.
See, that you win any argument with a girl.
joe rogan
In this world, the world that you and I are in, we have conversations publicly, right?
And that's what's something that a lot of people don't do.
So if you have conversations publicly, then the whole world can essentially go, no, you're wrong.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, which is very valuable, very valuable for being able to formulate opinions.
Most people don't fucking have that.
Yeah.
So most people, they just like, if they're wrong about something, they've said it publicly and shamed people.
You know you better do this because of that, and this, and the wrong.
Once they find out they're wrong, they fucking panic and there's not much you can do about it.
Like, you're just wrong.
And the only thing you could do if you want to keep any credibility and say, this is what I thought and this is why I thought it, but I don't think that anymore.
And I was wrong.
I fucked that up.
But this new information, I want you to have too.
Because this is what I'll tell you why I thought what I thought and why it changed.
Yeah, I mean, I'll be able to do that.
luis j gomez
I think it's just a weird thing in society.
People will not.
They will be able to do that.
joe rogan
People want to pretend they're smarter than they are.
That's the thing, man.
Everybody wants to pretend they're fucking smarter than they are.
unidentified
We're all.
joe rogan
Talking monkeys.
luis j gomez
Yeah, we're idiots.
joe rogan
All of us.
Every fucking person alive is a talking monkey.
So the internet is the best and the worst thing that's ever happened because now all the monkeys can scream.
Everybody can get mad.
Everybody can complain, but it's also great.
luis j gomez
And you just have time to reflect.
So what would happen is something would happen, right?
Whatever it is, some big event, right?
And it happens on Friday.
Like, I don't have, I got to sit on this until Monday.
I'll talk to my wife or some friends at home, but it's like until I get to work on Monday, I can't.
Spout these ideas and my opinions, and you kind of reflect on it.
You sit on the toilet, taking a shit, thinking about things.
We don't have that anymore.
It's just all distraction constantly.
And it's like, just, I mean, the amount, like, I, the only time I ever, like, reflect is if I'm working out or I'm sitting in the steam room by myself.
Got to put the phone away.
You literally can't do anything.
unidentified
Right.
luis j gomez
But even you're taking a shit, dude.
Back in the day, taking a shit used to be, like, the best thinking time.
joe rogan
People had magazines.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, you sit there, leave, reading Life Magazine where you're taking a dump.
What you just said was, like, very important.
So, what we're talking about is people being able to talk about things.
Now, imagine what life was like.
How old are you?
unidentified
44.
joe rogan
Okay, so you lived it a little bit, but I really lived it where there was no internet.
And if there was no internet, you couldn't talk to anything about anybody, about anybody, about anything.
Because everything that came up in the news, you'd see it on the news.
You go, what is going on?
You get this quick snippet.
And then you'd have to go to a newspaper and you'd read the newspaper and go, what the fuck are we doing in Venezuela?
luis j gomez
And at this point, 99% of people are already out.
Even right here, that people are like, I'm not going to the library.
I'm not getting a newspaper.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
You're the guy who goes to work.
And how much time do you have to talk to people about things?
You have stuff to do.
You can't be the guy that corners people when they're getting coffee.
Do you hear what we're doing in Nicaragua?
So, we're selling cocaine in Los Angeles.
luis j gomez
Kurt Mesher, if he wasn't a comic.
joe rogan
The CIA is selling cocaine in Los Angeles to fund the Contras versus the Sandinistas in Nicaragua.
Do you know that?
And you're like, I have work to do.
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And so you never got to express yourself.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What are you going to do?
Start a fucking ham radio channel?
What are you going to do?
There was no way to express yourself.
unidentified
That was that.
joe rogan
But, bro, if you did start a radio channel, here's the crazy thing they would lock you up.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you know that?
You had to have an FCC license.
luis j gomez
What was that movie?
joe rogan
Yeah, Christian Slater.
luis j gomez
Christian Slater.
joe rogan
Pump up the volume.
luis j gomez
Pump up the volume.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
He was podcasting from a car before there was a podcast.
joe rogan
This was 1990.
They were chasing him down and they were trying to arrest him.
He was the rebel.
luis j gomez
And wasn't he saying like 17?
joe rogan
Some stuff like go out there and live your life or something?
Like, what was he saying?
Did he have like a pump you up speech?
Everybody was listening to this.
luis j gomez
It wasn't even that controversial, but like, you know, the man, you know.
unidentified
Yeah, what was he saying?
joe rogan
Like, he's ranting.
It's like low level podcasting, but he might be the first podcast.
unidentified
Maybe.
joe rogan
No, I'm like, no bullshit.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, that idea in that movie might have been, you know, because it's always like one idea builds on and then new inventions and then builds on.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The one idea is this.
Sexy rebel who's out there yelling, fuck the man.
And he's in a van running from the cops because he's going to put him in a cage because he made his own radio station.
unidentified
That's wild.
joe rogan
And that's what we're doing right now.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
There was, yeah, I mean, I lived pre internet, you know, and internet sort of high school, ninth grade or so, that's when it started popping off.
joe rogan
Podcasts show you straight up that the free market is much better than regulations by the government because you're never going to get this kind of a show.
If the government gets to regulate you and they tell you you can't swear, they can't tell you you can't be obscene, there's certain things you can't say.
luis j gomez
Well, now it's just YouTube and Google that'll tell you that.
joe rogan
But they don't do it as much.
luis j gomez
No, not nowhere near as much, but it's the new way to sort of combat that is demonetization.
joe rogan
Right, but here's the thing the market dictates that too, because if someone else comes along and says, hey, we're not going to do that.
So there's a reason why YouTube has loosened up some of its content restriction.
luis j gomez
Yeah, because Rumble came out, Kick came out.
joe rogan
Also, they were wrong.
Like a lot of the restrictions were during COVID, and they were wrong.
They were telling people if you bring up the lab leak theory, we'll kick you off of YouTube.
unidentified
Yeah.
A lot of people.
luis j gomez
A lot of people completely lost their channels, like lost their way to make money on YouTube.
joe rogan
Well, you could say the earth is flat.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's fucking millions.
There's millions of flat earth videos out there.
You could say Bigfoot raped my mom.
You know, you could say anything.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
But if you said that it might have come from a lab, like, you would get kicked off of YouTube.
luis j gomez
It's so funny.
We found out that's exactly what happened.
joe rogan
But the market sort of shifted, and that's how Rumble started getting bigger.
Rumble got bigger specifically because of the fact there's pushback on YouTube because they literally won't even let Nick Fuentes on YouTube.
And he's on Rumble, and he's like their number one guy.
luis j gomez
He's killing it on Rumble.
joe rogan
See, that's the thing.
It's like if you hold something back, you're just going to make another version of it that opposes it, and they're going to have more energy to fight against you because you've stopped the truth.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You've stopped the truth about, like, not like about petty things, about really important things.
Like how a fucking disease went through the whole world.
You're literally stopping people from examining the truth, which is weird.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's not good.
That's real scary.
luis j gomez
That was a scary time, just like in general.
It was a great time for podcasting.
Podcasting blew up during COVID.
unidentified
It was huge.
luis j gomez
Everyone just stayed at home.
Everyone was like, oh, what are we going to do?
We have nothing else to do except sit on the internet and listen to podcasts.
Yeah.
But yeah, it was just a weird, uncertain time.
Even physically in life, it was uncertain.
And then you go on the internet and it's like, oh, I could just lose everything.
They could just take it away like that.
All these platforms.
This is why I start.
I do all of my own things specifically because I am.
Terrified that my things are going to be taken away from me.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
So I have my own platforms, my own festival.
joe rogan
Well, you were really smart about that early on with Gas Digital.
Such a good idea, dude.
unidentified
Thanks.
joe rogan
Such a good idea.
And it's also like your fan base.
Your fan base is so loyal and so rabid.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, because they're signed, they're like invested financially.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And it's a better relationship, honestly, in a lot of ways.
luis j gomez
Well, what's funny is when we started it, it wasn't even completely necessary.
What's funny is Patreon hadn't even existed, but it was like, You know, guitar players asking for tips.
There was nobody podcasting on Patreon.
We started the platform Uncensored Ad Free for, you know, behind a paywall.
We were unique.
There was really no, Anthony Kumia did it.
There was a couple people that were doing their thing.
joe rogan
And Anthony did it specifically because he was fired from XM.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
And he had to.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He had to.
luis j gomez
But we did.
And it wasn't even like, it wasn't crazy back then.
But the way everything became censored and, you know, there's all these ads on YouTube.
There's so much.
It feels so like, it feels commercial.
It feels like you're watching, TV in the late 90s when you're watching YouTube now.
Now more than ever, there's a need for an uncensored ad free platform, and there's not many of them.
joe rogan
No, 100%.
I think you did the smartest thing by doing that.
So here's the argument the argument is like, That if it's everywhere, like if it's on YouTube and it's on Spotify, it's on everywhere, then there's more potential for growth because it's easier to access.
That is true.
And it's also way easier to promote because people can just send each other.
Like it's natural.
luis j gomez
Yeah, the algorithms will push it, which is.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's that, but there's also sharing.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like if someone has got a good podcast, I'll share it with my friends.
Like you've got to listen to this.
It's hilarious.
And so that, you can't do that if it's a pay platform.
So like you'd have to get someone to sign up.
luis j gomez
What's funny is we.
We were so early on a lot of these things.
I give myself a lot of credit here because we like, before you could screen record on your phone, we had in our app a tool where you can clip clips to share them to social media.
So you could do it, it was like limited to like two or three clips per episode.
joe rogan
Oh, that's great.
It worked.
luis j gomez
It never worked really.
joe rogan
Was there a time limit on the clips?
luis j gomez
It's like a minute or two.
joe rogan
Oh, that's a problem.
That's a problem.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because like, you want like at least eight.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, because like, especially if there's a funny back and forth between you guys.
Algorithms Push The News 00:11:11
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like if you're doing Legions of Skanks and you guys are going off about something.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You need a little more than a couple of minutes.
luis j gomez
You've got to sink your teeth into it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Otherwise, that's the best way to take things out of context, too.
luis j gomez
You're telling me.
joe rogan
Boy, people love doing that.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
They love doing that.
But it's also, what are you going to ask everybody to listen to three hours of a podcast?
luis j gomez
It's crazy.
joe rogan
You've got to expect that things are going to get taken out of context.
It's part of the game, you know?
It's part of the thing we do.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
And nobody really wants a context.
Even when they find out the context, they don't care.
They've been like, well, I already, we were saying before, I've moved on from that opinion.
Nobody cares.
Tomorrow, it's another day.
Nobody really cares about anything, to be honest with you.
It's like the way that the internet has turned people into just like whatever's in front of them, that's what they care about.
I mean, the amount of things that were such a big deal a month ago.
I mean, ICE was such a huge deal two months ago.
We haven't heard anything about ICE since then.
It was the Ukraine.
What happened to the Ukraine?
That war's still going on, I believe.
Nobody gives a shit.
joe rogan
It's still going on.
It's just, it's not sexy right now.
You know, it's like Law Order Special Victims Unit, season 50.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like, okay.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
luis j gomez
We've seen every angle on rape already.
joe rogan
It's like, it's still going to be a big show.
You know, it's still important.
It's top 10.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's, you know what I'm saying?
Like, it's not the number one thing that we're concerned with.
Whereas when it popped off, when Russia invaded, it was like the end of the world.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then there were people, I literally heard people saying that Ukraine should have never given up its nukes.
And I was like, okay, I could see what you're saying.
I could see what you're saying.
Like, if they had nukes, Russia probably wouldn't invade them.
But ultimately, that means we're threatening you with nukes.
luis j gomez
That's the scariest thing ever.
joe rogan
That's fucking crazy.
The whole thing's crazy.
But it's also, it's like, why did this happen?
Did NATO pushing arms closer and closer to Russia have no impact on this?
luis j gomez
Nobody can hit Texas or New York, though, right?
Like, Hawaii's fucked.
joe rogan
Oh, they could hit New York.
unidentified
What do you mean?
luis j gomez
They could hit New York?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, they could hit New York.
luis j gomez
You think so?
Fuck yeah.
unidentified
With a nuke?
joe rogan
Yeah, 100%.
luis j gomez
I read something a while ago that they could only reach Hawaii.
Or I guess it wasn't anyone.
It was, who was it?
Was it Russia or China or something?
One of them.
They could only hit Hawaii.
I had a bit about it in my act, and I was like, whew.
joe rogan
We had a guy on that was talking about back engineering UFO technology and that they had this idea of using it.
To what they would call an instantaneous delivery system of a nuclear bomb.
Because the way these things supposedly can travel.
I'm a moron, so I don't understand anything about gravity.
But what they were explaining is that if these crafts work in a way that has no normal kind of propulsion, we think of propulsion as like a jet.
The fire goes out the back and the jet goes forward really fast because of that, right?
What they're saying is.
These beings from wherever the fuck they are, these people that have back engineered their crafts, the way they move is not by propulsion.
It's by bending space and time.
It's by doing something to the gravity around it or the actual space of the universe around it where it can go to another place like instantaneously.
So it's not like it flies.
It's like it just fucking zips over to another part of the universe.
And they can do it like that tic tac one that they.
They got on radar, they got it on the visuals, like two different fighter pilots saw it and talked about it.
They have video of it.
This fucking thing went from more than 50,000 feet above sea level to sea level in one second, less than a second.
So it's like beep, beep, beep, radar.
It went from 50,000 feet to that.
So if you could do that with a bomb, you could essentially instantaneously detonate Moscow.
luis j gomez
Wow.
joe rogan
If that's a real technology.
So this is probably why these assholes are hiding all this UFO information.
It's because these assholes had probably been using the.
They were like, yeah, we could travel anywhere in the universe or we could blow up China without them even knowing it's happening.
We could assure that we'll win a nuclear war.
Anybody who would have that technology, the ability to put something somewhere instantly and you put a bomb in it, that's crazy.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
So that might be what all this UFO bullshit is about.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
I mean, who knows?
Who knows what's going on?
I mean, like, obviously, there's something going on, right?
I think where there's smoke, there's fire, and there's too much going on.
joe rogan
Have you seen these stories about all these scientists?
That are getting whacked?
luis j gomez
No.
joe rogan
Yeah, there are scientists that have gotten whacked andor missing, and a couple of generals as well, that's all connected somehow or another to UFO technology and anti gravity technology and nuclear scientists.
And There's a bunch of stories that I've read about this, and some of them are like this is like purely exaggerated.
And a lot of people are, it's just they're taking that this guy committed suicide and he worked on that, and this guy went missing and he worked on that, but it's just coincidence.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And then there's other people that go, no, no, no, no, this is, there's too many people.
So now the White House has commented on it.
So they're doing an investigation on this, which makes me think, hopefully, somebody who's really fucking smart has looked at this information and said there's something there.
Like, what these people were working on was very extraordinary and could disrupt a market or could be something that could be used in a weapon that would destroy another country.
And so the other country sabotages it by killing scientists.
That's shit that we would do.
luis j gomez
Think how little we know.
Like, the amount of, like, yeah, like you and I, just human, just like Americans, just the general population.
Like, the amount of, there's probably the craziest technology ever that the government has their hands on right now.
It's like we use AI tools, and it's like, I can imagine the AI that the government currently has.
Right.
And that's why that'll never disappear.
It's because all of the governments are sort of at a race to see who can implement the strongest AI.
So I can't even imagine how crazy it is.
joe rogan
There was one lady that went missing, and there's a weird video of her because it seems like she's drunk.
And she's like talking about how, you know, this technology that it's real, but every time that anybody gets close to it, people stop it.
And this lady's gone missing as well.
So it seems like she might have had a couple of drinks or something.
unidentified
And then.
joe rogan
Started ranting about this in some weird video call.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But listen, if I had that information and I thought that people were trying to kill me because I knew about anti gravity technology, and I literally thought like I'm in a Russell Crowe movie and someone's trying to fucking whack me, I'd probably get drunk too.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, what are you going to do?
But she went missing, though.
luis j gomez
I was talking to two nuclear scientists after my show.
Just these two, like, there was a couple.
They were, like, straight up nuclear scientists.
It was Tacoma or Spokane, whatever it's near that, like, there's a huge, like, it's like a nuclear town.
Like, everyone works in, like, nuclear science in this entire town.
unidentified
Jesus.
luis j gomez
And he was, like, they were, like, so into telling me about, like, not too much, not too in depth, but he was like, you know, I work, like, 100 feet below the ground.
It was, like, super top secret.
And, um, He was like, I started asking him questions.
He was like, I can't answer that.
He was like, they've definitely tapped our phones.
Are you out of your mind?
You think they're not just listening to what we're saying to people?
And it was just like, fucking goddamn, dude.
joe rogan
I think they're listening to everything everybody's saying all the time.
luis j gomez
They can't organize it.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think it just gets stored.
I don't think it's like someone's listening where they can just know every, like they have a person with a fucking earphone on listening to everything you say.
Oh, write it down.
He's like this.
luis j gomez
I think probably high government officials, they probably do.
unidentified
Probably.
joe rogan
But now with AI, all they would have to do.
Is record everybody's phone all the time and then use AI to search all the transcripts and then find an audio recording of you saying this or you saying that.
luis j gomez
We're probably three years away from them being able to get everything we've ever done on the internet.
joe rogan
Yeah, but not just that.
There's also AI which could take that and then have you make phone calls to people that you don't really make.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
So you could call up one of your friends and ask them to meet you somewhere with a bag of heroin and they would all, you know, they would know.
It would like literally you'd use it to set people up.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You could use it.
To get people upset about something, you could have the AI have a fucking conversation with them.
luis j gomez
I mean, I've been listening to AI Joe Rogan ads on the internet for about a year now where they just take your voice and they advertise products because you have such a recognizable voice.
joe rogan
That's pretty ridiculous, right?
A lot of people go, Do you use that?
I go, No, it's AI.
But the thing is, it's like they can have it talk to you now.
So it sounds like you.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You could have a conversation with you.
Like you could AI, Luis J. Gomez.
You could talk to Luis J. Gomez and it would be like you talking to yourself.
You'd probably lose your mind if you were schizophrenic.
luis j gomez
I did something really dark and sad one day.
I was super high and my mom died when I was 22 years old.
And then I went, I prompted ChatGPT.
I told a bunch of information about my mom and I was like, I want to have a conversation with my mom on the other side about like what's going on in my life and my son and ask me questions.
And I was like, It was, it got very like I got really emotional way more than you would think.
Like, I was it was kind of just a dumb thing.
I was stoned.
I was like, let's see where this goes.
I was, I felt like I was talking to my mom at the end of it.
It was really that's so crazy.
Yeah, really.
joe rogan
Here's the thing if it gets to be a super intelligence and they program a super intelligence to behave exactly and talk exactly like your mom, and then you had conversations with her, like it knows her voice.
Yeah, that would be such a it.
If you're schizophrenic and that starts happening, that would be the trip.
That would be that.
That would be bing.
We blew the last fuse.
luis j gomez
That would be it.
Well, maybe that's what they're doing for you and me, right?
Who we have, I mean, thousands and thousands of hours recorded, right?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
They could have us say anything.
luis j gomez
Well, not only just say anything, like when I die, I'm assuming the technology, forget when I die, like 40 years from now, like in the next few years, they can just take every opinion I've had, the way I speak, my thoughts, everything, and then they can use AI to not only just replicate what I do, but go, like, well, what would he likely think?
What would he likely say?
If you sort of Put all that data in, and then eventually it's like a little fucking box sitting on the table that my son talks to.
His dad never dies, his dad's always there.
I think that will be a thing that regularly is happening.
You, you, and I don't know if it's like uploading the consciousness or if it's the AI replicating your consciousness.
I think they've talked about that for a long time, but that I think will happen unquestionably.
joe rogan
No doubt.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And soon.
luis j gomez
Very soon.
joe rogan
Well, the AI that they have now, like if you put on those meta glasses, have you fucked with that?
The VR goggles?
luis j gomez
Uh, yeah.
They're pretty fucking crazy.
I mean, I just jerk off.
That's it.
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luis j gomez
Adjust it.
joe rogan
Giant vaginas.
unidentified
Well, not.
luis j gomez
No, it's not even a.
It's.
joe rogan
If you have porn with VR, it must be insane.
luis j gomez
Oh, it's insane.
It is insane.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
I can't watch regular porn anymore.
joe rogan
I can't watch it that way.
It made me nervous.
unidentified
It's creepy.
jamie vernon
I was looking this up just to see if it was still a thing.
This is a William Shatner AI.
He's sitting here waiting for us to ask him a question.
luis j gomez
And he'll just answer it in his voice.
jamie vernon
He sat there and recorded a bunch of stuff a couple years ago for this.
I don't know how well it works, but.
joe rogan
Well, ask him this.
luis j gomez
This is a little different, though.
This isn't.
jamie vernon
I mean, this is just the beginning, though.
luis j gomez
This is the beginning of it.
So once they really turn the AI on this, it'll be a better William Shatner.
jamie vernon
Let's ask him one random question.
joe rogan
Didn't he have a makeout session with a green lady in Star Trek?
unidentified
I don't know.
I think he did.
joe rogan
I think there was some weird racial pushback.
There was some weird pushback.
Oh, he kissed Uhura.
I can make out with an alien.
No, no, no.
He did make out with an alien, right?
I'm pretty sure he kissed like a green lady or something, but he also kissed Lieutenant Uhura, who was a black lady.
And during the time where they did Star Trek, I think this was very controversial.
That's it.
So that was in 1968.
And this was very controversial that a white man and a black woman, and by the way, she was beautiful, that lady that played Uhura, she was beautiful.
And they thought it was weird.
They thought it was offensive.
It was like, it was a big thing in the public.
I was too young, obviously.
I was one year old.
But I do remember this story.
luis j gomez
How many of you remember there was that movie, Jungle Fever?
It was an entire movie.
The entire premise of the movie was it's a black guy and a white girl.
unidentified
Interracial couple.
luis j gomez
That's a movie.
unidentified
That's it.
joe rogan
Okay, what is it called?
Was the episode called Plato's Stepchildren?
Season 3, Episode 10.
November 22nd, 1968.
Wow.
Ohura, played by Nichelle Nichols and Captain Kirk, William Shackner, episodes often cited incorrectly as the first interracial kiss on television.
It was, however, the first instance in which a kiss between a black person and a white person on U.S. television was ever scripted, as an earlier kiss on Moving with Nancy was unscripted.
What the fuck is Moving with Nancy?
What is that?
jamie vernon
Nancy Sinatra special or something.
joe rogan
Nancy kissed a black guy on TV?
Is that what they're saying?
luis j gomez
That's pissing me off now.
I don't know why.
joe rogan
I bet she did it just to piss off Frank.
luis j gomez
Her father was not okay with that.
joe rogan
I bet she did it just to piss off Frank.
jamie vernon
Let me check.
joe rogan
Yeah, find out what she did.
What the fuck happened?
luis j gomez
It's like a variety show.
joe rogan
So, was it like her and just a singer or something?
Was it a show where they would sing each other?
What happened here?
jamie vernon
Sammy Davis Jr.
joe rogan
Oh, Sammy Davis Jr. kissed her.
jamie vernon
Oh, that's a song and dance.
joe rogan
That's kind of with her.
jamie vernon
That's what it says.
Probably look at that.
joe rogan
But is that it says an interracial kiss between Sinatra and Sammy Davis Jr.
Oh, boy.
He kissed, he passionately kissed his friend's daughter.
luis j gomez
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Bro, those people were freaks back then.
luis j gomez
That's hot.
joe rogan
They were freaks.
unidentified
This is it.
joe rogan
That rat pack, that rat pack, those guys were animals.
Look at that.
Oh, that's on the cheek, bro.
He kissed her on the cheek.
Zoom in on that.
That's outrageous.
That's a nice, friendly kiss.
That's not a passionately kissed.
Let me see that.
Close in on there.
Yeah, he kissed her on the cheek.
Don't you think?
luis j gomez
It looks like the cheek.
joe rogan
It looks like right here.
luis j gomez
Yeah, a little side of that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
A little, that's like a sweet thing.
luis j gomez
Yeah, Italian men do that to each other.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's not a kiss on the lips.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
That doesn't count.
I say Star Trek's the first because that was like, let's get down.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Get down, get down.
Jungle Boogie.
luis j gomez
It's so nuts, dude.
Yeah.
I mean, my mom was white and my dad was like Afro Latino, like dark skinned.
Like, he looked black.
Like, sure.
He looked like EZE.
I was going to show you a picture of my dad.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
That was funny.
luis j gomez
He looked straight up like EZE.
And it's like, yeah, I mean, that, even in the 80s growing up, that was kind of like, it was weird.
I remember the first time I saw an interracial couple in high school.
I'm 44.
I'm not that old, but like, It was weird.
I remember just seeing, like, in the 10th grade, this hot white chick started dating this, like, football player, black kid.
It wasn't that regular where I grew up.
And I grew up an hour outside of New York City.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it was controversial.
It opened you up to all sorts of things, like, you get yelled at by people.
You get attacked.
There's a lot of people that they dealt with a lot of shit back then, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
Well, racism is back.
Don't worry.
joe rogan
It kind of never went away, but it comes in waves of encouragement where people think it's okay to be racist.
It's okay to be this, to be that.
luis j gomez
It was a weird thing where it's like a lot of us were just being ironic and funny for a while.
You make racial jokes, you make jokes about anything.
I think you could make a joke about anything.
It's a comedian's job.
And then it shifted once social media became so big and everyone's opinion, you can anonymously just say whatever you want, dude.
You want to say something racist anonymously, you have to write it on a bathroom wall.
You have to be like, I hate N words.
unidentified
Right.
luis j gomez
On the wall in a market.
joe rogan
I'm not taking a shit.
luis j gomez
And then somebody else responds to it underneath it, and they're like, Well, yeah, I hate you, Cracker.
And then it goes, That was always fun.
joe rogan
Like, bathroom walls were fun.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
luis j gomez
A phone number.
unidentified
Call this number.
joe rogan
You give your ex girlfriend's phone number on the wall.
unidentified
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Those are the days.
luis j gomez
The original doxing.
joe rogan
Well, it sounds also, those are like the original message board.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
It's the original YouTube comments.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
That's the original comments on an ex post.
Is the bathroom wall.
luis j gomez
That's it.
And that's the only thing.
That's as far as it can go.
Was maybe 12 people a day would see your shit anonymously.
But it felt so good.
Just N I G.
joe rogan
I can't remember any interracial.
unidentified
During a squastica?
joe rogan
During a squastica?
Like it used to be normal.
Like everybody was racist.
The whole world was racist.
luis j gomez
I think everyone is bigoted.
Well, it's a little different than racist, right?
joe rogan
Well, everyone was tribal, right?
Like you could only trust the 150 people that you lived with.
You could barely trust them.
You could barely trust them.
They were probably trying to be the tribal chief and fuck people over and fuck the chief's wife.
That shit's always gone on.
But for sure, if there was a group that you didn't know and they showed up, they were there to kill you.
Weird Things About Life 00:08:45
joe rogan
100%.
A bunch of guys show up.
There's 15 guys.
They show up, but they're trying to kill you.
luis j gomez
Well, also, pre internet, you had to coexist.
The only people you can communicate with, you go to the grocery store, it's an Indian guy or a black guy or a Puerto Rican guy.
It's like, no, I got to buy a tomato.
So we're just going to do what we need.
I'm going to give you my dollar.
You're going to give me a tomato, and I'm going to say, have a good day.
joe rogan
This is an America in a city in the 20th century and then the 21st century.
What I'm saying is we're hardwired for the olden days.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
This is why it's so easy to get people to join a team, whether it be a Democrat or be a Republican or MAGA or whatever the fuck it is.
It's so easy because people are programmed to be in tribes.
unidentified
Right.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
And they want an identity.
unidentified
Yeah.
It's easier to say.
joe rogan
And there's an enemy.
They want an enemy, too.
luis j gomez
Yep.
You feel like you're on a side.
You don't really have to do much thinking.
unidentified
Exactly.
luis j gomez
Like whatever they say, I agree with.
joe rogan
It also gives you comfort that you're surrounded by other people.
I used to think that when I was young, when I would watch religious preachers on television, I was watching those, like, these Islamic guys, and they were talking about Islam.
And the way the certainty in the fact that what they were saying was true, like, the way they were saying, like, all these other religions mean nothing because Islam is the truth.
And they were like, yep.
They believed it.
I'm like, it must feel great to believe something 100% like that.
And to have a bunch of other people around you that also believe it.
100% no ifs, ands, or buts.
But we've all, the reality is.
No one knows about anything until you experience it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So you don't really know what's going to happen in heaven.
If heaven's real, you don't know any of that.
No.
But you're so convinced.
And my question is, by what?
luis j gomez
I wish I had any sort of spiritual faith.
joe rogan
That's what I keep saying.
Come up with a good cult.
I'll join it.
luis j gomez
Doggie, I just can't.
Since I was a little kid, I remember just being a little kid and having the thought God's not real.
And then trying, because I was raised Catholic, just suppressing it, being like, I can't think that I'm going to burn in hell if I even think the idea that God isn't real.
It's like, what a weird psychotic thing to do to a five-year-old kid.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
You know?
And yeah, it's like, Yeah, you sort of like that.
The idea of faith, it actually seems like really kind of freeing.
Like the idea of, dude, I'm going to die and I'm going to go to the kingdom of heaven and I'm going to experience everything that I've ever wanted.
I mean, that sounds incredible.
It's for me, it's like I feel like I'm counting down until I'm going to sleep forever.
Like I have nothing after I really don't believe in any of that.
When people get into like these heated, passionate, like debates about certain things, like abortion is a great topic for this concept.
When you're trying to convince somebody that's religious, like to be pro life, you're like, you don't understand what's going on there, dude.
They believe you're murdering a baby.
You're not going to convince somebody that, like, oh, well, let me try to break this down for you right now.
Let me try to give you a different angle on this.
No, no, they believe that that's a life, a conception.
They believe it's a soul.
They really fucking believe that deep down.
And that is like, I kind of go, well, I respect that.
Like, I'm not going to, like, I'm pro life, right?
I was raised by women and I just kind of grew up in New York.
We always sort of had that sensibility.
joe rogan
Do you mean pro choice?
Is that what you're saying?
luis j gomez
I'm sorry, I'm pro choice.
unidentified
I apologize.
luis j gomez
But when my son was born, or even when I first saw the heartbeat, I remember I was like, that's a life right there.
The heartbeat, that six weeks, whatever it was, I was like, that's a fucking life right there.
But when you're dealing with religious people who believe that that's a soul and that it's like the second it's conceived, you're trying to convince them that it's okay to kill a baby.
unidentified
Right.
luis j gomez
And it's never going to happen.
joe rogan
Yeah, no, it's never going to happen.
And I don't know who's right.
That's the real problem.
Like, for convenience sake and for living your life on your own terms sake.
And see, my take on it is first of all, I'm not a woman.
And if you're talking about this and there's no chance of you ever getting pregnant, that's a weird thing.
Because you, like, conceptually, yeah, that's a life.
No doubt.
I mean, not even conceptually, objectively, it's a life.
It's going to become a human.
But who.
Like, who am I to say, especially in cases of like incest and rape and you know, crazy shit?
Who am I to say that you have to raise that kid?
That you have to, that life has to, you have to change your body for the next nine months, maybe irrevocably.
I mean, maybe it'll just change your body forever.
Maybe you'll have stretch marks forever.
Oh, yeah.
Because of this, because of this horrible thing that happened to you, because everybody says that this life is precious.
luis j gomez
Like, every time you got to feed a breakfast, you got to fucking.
joe rogan
If that was for men, if men got pregnant.
Abortion would be at gas stations.
Fill it up and take it out.
It would be, there's not a fucking chance in hell.
luis j gomez
That's a bit.
joe rogan
There's not a chance in hell that it would be a debate.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It wouldn't be a debate.
If men make the laws and men could get pregnant, men would have abortions everywhere.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's no fucking chance you'd be able to tell another man that he's going to have to keep a baby.
unidentified
No.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
It's very complex, and I understand both sides of it.
You know, I really do.
When people say that's a life, it's like, I'm like, I really get that.
And when people go like it's a woman's body and sort of race to choose, if she wants to eject this from her body before a certain time, it's a weird thing.
joe rogan
Is like at what point in time?
Like, could you stop it when it's a clump of cells?
Can you stop it when it's almost a fetus?
You know what I mean?
Like, it gets it's it's such a human problem in that there's no it's it's a weird fucking sloppy concept.
luis j gomez
I think when it grows a nose, yeah, before it hits it, before it grows a nose or fingers, it's going to be a kid that maybe wins an Olympic gold medal if it's got webbed fingers still.
joe rogan
It could be a kid that is Sabrina Carpenter and is on stage in front of all those people.
You know what I mean?
That's the weird thing about life.
luis j gomez
It could be somebody that changes the world.
unidentified
It could be.
luis j gomez
Literally, yeah, yeah.
If you look at like child development, like month to month, I mean, when my son was being born, I was just like obsessively like looking at it.
It starts looking like a baby way earlier than you think.
And the problem is you can still abort it when it looks like a fucking baby.
And that's, it's just a.
joe rogan
Well, you could abort it when it is a baby.
luis j gomez
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
In certain cases.
luis j gomez
Well, yeah, if it's like medically.
joe rogan
I knew a guy, his girlfriend had a late term abortion and it was horrible.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
Horrible to know that, like, she was showing.
It was.
unidentified
Well, there was that one.
joe rogan
This was in the 90s.
luis j gomez
There was a one video that went viral a while ago, and it was like they were talking to somebody in an abortion clinic with, like, a hidden cell phone camera.
And they were like, well, what happens if you abort the fetus, you remove the fetus, and it's still alive, like, on the table?
And they were like, well, we would have to at least extinguish life or something like that.
It was, like, pretty fucking crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
It's like, so when the baby's out, you're going to kill the baby.
You're just going to kill it.
It's called what it is.
You're going to kill a baby.
It's bonkers.
joe rogan
And that's why, like, you could understand why Christians would think that's demonic.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
I think anyone would think that's demonic.
joe rogan
Yeah, you could totally understand that.
And to ignore that and throw it into this no, but I, you know, I believe in the woman's right to choose.
Okay, me too.
But what's that?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, what are we saying here?
Like, you're going to just kill the baby when it's alive outside the womb?
Is it viable?
Like, could it grow up and become one of your friends?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, what are we doing?
unidentified
Maybe.
joe rogan
You know what I'm saying?
Could that baby grow up?
unidentified
And just live.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And just have a wonderful life and have a great job.
It's fucking weird, man.
Because, like, what is life and why it's very precious to us?
Because if we don't have it, then we don't have a say in what's going on.
But we're really just a fucking bunch of atoms and particles and molecules and everything's spinning around at a different frequency.
That's what we really are.
luis j gomez
Your mushrooms are kicking in, Joe.
joe rogan
They're not even.
I'm just saying, like, we're so obsessed with life.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that's why this is such a fascinating conversation.
It's also a fascinating conversation because men can't get pregnant.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a weird conversation.
luis j gomez
Well, I think they can, right?
They can carry the baby.
We can't get pregnant, but I think you could.
joe rogan
Well, they're talking to transmitters talking about getting uteruses implanted in their body and then getting pregnant and having an abortion.
I want to be the first person to do that.
It just shows you how trans is really healthy.
luis j gomez
That's pretty hilarious.
joe rogan
It would be a good bit.
It'd be something a Steve O would do.
luis j gomez
It really would be.
unidentified
It is.
luis j gomez
I'm going to put a baby and abort it.
How fucking great is that?
That's funny.
joe rogan
Yeah, he would do it if there wouldn't be any social pushback.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
That one's, you know, it's tough.
luis j gomez
A little bit of a tough one.
joe rogan
He almost got tit implants.
luis j gomez
I know.
He told me that.
unidentified
That's crazy.
Paranoia On A Hike 00:04:08
luis j gomez
It's nuts.
unidentified
Don't do that.
Yeah.
Ouch.
joe rogan
You're going to get your chest carved open?
luis j gomez
Can you get a dick tattooed on his face?
unidentified
Yes.
luis j gomez
He's insane.
joe rogan
Right over his eyebrow.
luis j gomez
He's a lunatic.
joe rogan
It took me like a few seconds to realize it was a dick, too.
I was like, okay.
Last time I saw you, you didn't have that, right?
luis j gomez
Yeah.
He's a fucking wild one.
joe rogan
That nuclear scientist thing or the UFO scientist thing, is there anything through that?
unidentified
Do we?
joe rogan
No.
Why don't you throw that into our ad, our sponsor perplexity?
What does it say?
jamie vernon
It's obviously an online link.
joe rogan
Right.
But I mean, the White House is investigating this.
jamie vernon
They're bringing it up.
They're investigating it because so many people are asking about it.
joe rogan
Oh, it's that easy?
Let's find out if Michelle Obama has a dick.
unidentified
Imagine.
joe rogan
If the White House is like, we have an unprecedented number of people asking this question, it's our duty to do the work for the American people.
jamie vernon
They do.
Why?
They all had a security clearance and all happened to work in similar fields like nuclear fission, fusion.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
So, what ties the 11 together?
Many have recently clearances or indirect access to sensitive government work, often via NASA, the Department of Energy's nuclear labs, the Air Force, or major defense contractors.
Their deaths or disappearances occurred between 2022 and early 2026, clustered enough in time to draw political and media attention.
The White House has ordered agencies such as FBI, NASA, the Department of Energy, and the Department of War to perform link analysis to see if there's any pattern beyond coincidence.
So one of them was real weird, where there was like a lady who was hiking and she was with a bunch of friends.
Her friend turned around and asked her a question.
She talked to her and then she turned around again and she was gone.
And they have no idea what happened.
They never found a body.
They brought the dogs in, the dogs couldn't find her.
unidentified
Just gone.
That's it.
joe rogan
But here's my question.
If I was her and I thought that they were trying to whack me and I was going hiking with my friends and I was at the back of the line, that's where I'd be if I was going to make a run for it, right?
If I thought all these people were bringing me up there, these fucking fellow scientists to chuck me off the cliff, I might be in the back and then I might, if I'm paranoid, maybe I ate an edible before I went on this hike to be a little closer to nature and I'd look at that person in front of me.
I'm like, I'm going to wait until they turn that right around that turn and I'm Fucking like Homer Simpson into the bushes, and then she just fucking booked it down that hill and hopped in her car, got an Uber waiting for her, disappeared.
Case you're thinking of is Monica Jacinto Reza, 60 year old aerospace engineer linked to NASA, JPL, and advanced rocket engine materials research.
She disappeared on June 22nd, 2025, while hiking in the Angeles National Forest, Los Angeles County, on a well traveled trail.
I know where that place is, I've been to that spot.
Reports say she was hiking with at least one friend and companion.
The friend was roughly 30 feet ahead, turned to check on her, saw her smile and wave that she was fine.
That a short time later, looked back again and she was gone.
Despite intensive searches, no confirmed trace of her has been found, and her case is now one of the central examples of missing or dead scientist cluster being reviewed by federal agencies.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's weird.
luis j gomez
She disappeared.
She was like, fuck this.
She saw all these other scientists being murdered, and she was like, I'm out.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
Because if you were a scientist, you'd probably be paying attention to other scientists getting whacked.
luis j gomez
Oh, yeah.
On the same projects?
joe rogan
Especially if somebody started talking.
luis j gomez
You're in an empty office.
joe rogan
You're in the coffee station, and someone's like, Did you hear what happened to Ted?
Ted's dead.
He shot himself and killed him twice.
luis j gomez
From long range.
unidentified
Wait a minute.
joe rogan
Anti-gravity Ted?
Anti-gravity Ted is dead.
luis j gomez
He killed himself with a sniper rifle.
It was pretty crazy.
joe rogan
Get the fuck out of here.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm going hiking with Monica.
I don't fucking trust Monica.
Scientists Disappear Suddenly 00:04:22
unidentified
Fuck that.
joe rogan
Monica's trying to kill you.
She's out there hiking and Monica turns and waves at her.
luis j gomez
I don't trust hiking.
She was probably fucking killed by a bear or a mountain lion.
unidentified
You could get got.
luis j gomez
That's crazy.
I don't know if people like it.
joe rogan
My friend Cam, his brother, almost got killed by a mountain lion and had this crazy story about it.
And he's like a distance runner.
He's one of those ultra marathon guys.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And his brother told this video about what had happened to him.
He was running down the road and it was like dusk out, like starting to get dark.
And he saw these eyes, these glowing eyes in the bushes.
And he yelled at it because he thought it was a coyote.
And it stands up and it's a fucking mountain lion.
And so then it starts chasing him.
And he goes, I couldn't have used pepper spray because if I did, I would have sprayed myself because it was that close.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
He goes, I yelled at it.
I kicked rocks at it.
It kept.
And he goes, I just ran.
He goes, I think the thing that might have saved me was a bunch of dogs were barking.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
And it might have thought the dogs were out there.
luis j gomez
You're not outrunning a mountain lion.
unidentified
No.
luis j gomez
No.
joe rogan
It was running behind him, but not like 100% committed to killing him yet.
luis j gomez
Wow.
That's scary.
Yeah, nature is fucking scary.
joe rogan
And people are like, we need to make an overpass in Los Angeles near these homes so the mountain lion can get across the fucking track.
No, any retard mountain lion that goes across the 405 should get obliterated.
That's nature.
That's nature.
Hey, you thought that fucking semi wasn't dangerous, you retarded cat?
That's a retarded cat.
unidentified
Yes, it is.
joe rogan
That cat, probably his brother fucked his sister, and that's how he was born.
And now he's a dumbass, and he's supposed to get taken out.
By a Subaru.
luis j gomez
Did you ever see that?
It was like all these inbred tigers.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, white tigers.
unidentified
Yeah, dude.
luis j gomez
And they were all like fucking goofy.
joe rogan
They had one at the Austin Zoo.
luis j gomez
They were retorted to it.
joe rogan
I went to visit the Austin Zoo and you looked at them and you're like, hey, what's going on?
luis j gomez
Their tongues are hanging out.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're goofy looking.
A bunch of those white ones are inbred because that's a weird, like, genetic thing, I guess, to have a white one.
luis j gomez
Cute, though.
I took my son to that tiger, not the Tiger King, but it was the other guy, the one who's in jail for tax evasion now.
joe rogan
Tiger King's in jail for murder.
luis j gomez
Yeah, no, no, no.
It was one of the guys.
joe rogan
Not for murder, but for like trying to get someone murdered.
luis j gomez
The other guy.
What the fuck's his name?
He was the one who had all the girlfriends.
joe rogan
Oh, the guy ran the little cult.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The little cult going on.
luis j gomez
Yeah, dude.
I brought my son there, and it was him, dude.
He came out when they presented the elephant.
It was.
Why am I blanking on his name?
Doc Antle.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He brought the elephant out himself.
It was, dude, it was such a fun show.
Like, it was like a half day.
It was like four or five hours.
joe rogan
So he went to jail for what?
luis j gomez
Tax evasion.
joe rogan
Oh, he's fucking.
Pay your taxes, people.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's the dumbest way to get got.
luis j gomez
Yeah, it's crazy.
Oh, and while, yeah, money laundering charge.
I'm sorry, money laundering.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wildlife trafficking and money laundering.
That's a lot different than not paying your taxes.
luis j gomez
They have all of these baby tigers that they bring out, but they only have like two adult tigers.
So what are they doing with these baby tigers?
joe rogan
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Go back to that.
Hold on.
Make that larger.
What does it say here?
It says 12 months for pleading guilty for a conspiracy to violate the Lacey Act and launder more than $500,000 for what he believed to be an operation to smuggle.
Illegal immigrants into the United States across the Mexico border.
Oh, so this is a lot different than that.
Like, he was getting illegal immigrants across the border for money.
luis j gomez
He was, yeah, he was.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
So, that's not just like wildlife stuff and taxes.
Like, this guy was like illegal immigrant trafficking.
luis j gomez
Yeah, this guy was a bad dude, probably.
But he did have a bunch of like just a sweet cult going on.
Young hot chicks.
I knew a girl that I dated who went and interviewed, and she was like, it felt like I was interviewing for porn.
I showed up and it was like, oh, no, no.
The other girls were like, oh, you're going to have to be a part of this.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, the thing about this guy.
luis j gomez
But for a baby tiger, dude, I got to be honest with you.
They're really cute.
joe rogan
They're adorable.
luis j gomez
I get it.
Women are so fucking dumb.
They're like, baby tigers, I'll suck his dick.
unidentified
Fine.
joe rogan
Well, I think they just want to belong to something.
And this guy comes along and he's charismatic and you belong to his little family.
Family of five girls.
They're all hanging out together, blowing this one fat guy.
unidentified
Fat guy.
Inefficiency Built Into Systems 00:14:48
unidentified
It's good.
luis j gomez
Smuggling Mexicans and murdering baby tigers.
joe rogan
Well, that's the thing about those kind of guys.
This is why I was going to say about the smuggling in the Mexicans.
Those kind of guys are never happy with whatever they've gotten away with.
They always want to keep pushing.
He was not happy that he's an ugly guy with a cult of hot chicks.
unidentified
You did it.
joe rogan
And tigers.
luis j gomez
You're a millionaire.
You have tigers and hot chicks.
joe rogan
And here's what you need.
You're in a TV show.
unidentified
You're good.
You're good.
joe rogan
You don't have to smuggle in the Mexicans, too.
But those kind of guys are always, they just can't stop pushing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Can't stop pushing.
luis j gomez
Yeah, I think, yeah, it's whatever it is.
Whatever level it is, you always want to level up, no matter what.
joe rogan
No matter what.
luis j gomez
Bobby Kelly said that to me about Louis back in the day.
He was like, you know, because we're all, everyone's an insecure comedian.
Everyone in New York's insecure.
Everyone in LA and Austin, you guys fucking, you guys fucking love life.
You're just living life to your fullest.
Everyone in New York's like, I'm going to kill myself.
I hate fucking life.
unidentified
It sucks.
joe rogan
I think it's the environment.
luis j gomez
Yeah, well, it's a rough city.
It's a really rough city.
joe rogan
It's a great city.
It's awesome.
unidentified
Oh, it's an amazing city.
joe rogan
But cities in general is a weird concept.
Shoving a bunch of people.
Way too close to each other for long periods of time.
It has an effect.
luis j gomez
It's also like, it's just a rough city, dude.
Even on the highest level, if you're doing well, you still got to fucking walk up those subway stairs and it's just hot air in the summertime down.
If you can try to take the subway or sitting in New York traffic or just crazy homeless people walking around, you got to really want to be there to stand it.
I did it for 20 years.
I moved to the suburbs during the pandemic and I still love New York.
I go to New York a few times a week still.
But it is.
It is definitely a young man city where you gotta be there to, like, I'm trying to become the best comic or a dancer or work on Wall Street or whatever it is.
joe rogan
That's true, but I know a lot of old people that love it too, man.
They'll never leave.
They love it.
luis j gomez
Well, they get used to the life.
joe rogan
They love the energy.
There's just people around them all the time.
There's something going on everywhere you look.
You can get food at three o'clock in the morning.
You could, I mean, if you're a city person like Ari, it's the greatest place on earth.
There's no place like New York City.
luis j gomez
Ari spends, I don't even know how much on rent, but probably.
$50,000 a month for a room where you can touch all the walls.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
It's stupid.
It's stupid.
And now, if you're rich and you own property and you don't stay there, they're going to tax you more.
There's a new thing that Mamdani just came out with.
And everyone's like, yeah, fuck the billionaires.
I'm like, okay.
Fuck the billionaires until it's fuck the thousandaires.
luis j gomez
It's not even just billionaires.
You don't have to be particularly wealthy to own property.
It's a good investment with the money that you have.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But this particular bill is about.
More than $5 million valued homes.
So if you have an apartment in New York City, it's worth more than $5 million.
You get taxed more.
And he's like saying it won't be that big a deal and it'll give the city $500 million in extra revenue that they could use for all kinds of things that they want to do.
Which is great if you've cut out all the fraud.
alex jones
But you haven't.
joe rogan
And so you're not even concentrating on the fraud.
You're not even admitting the fraud exists.
You're not even admitting the waste exists.
How about you tell us where all the money is?
To NGOs went.
How about you tell us that?
How about you tell us where all the homeless money went?
What did you spend it on?
There's all these homeless people.
It seems like someone didn't do a good job and got a lot of money.
unidentified
What happened?
joe rogan
And you want more money?
That's the crazy answer.
luis j gomez
And it's also like the idea that rich people are inherently privileged.
It's very bizarre.
Like, I'm not rich, but I do pretty well.
Like, I do better than, you know, much better than the average American financially, you know?
A lot of people would consider me, you know, pretty well to do, but like, I grew up.
Welfare, drug addict, mother, dad stabbed when I was four years old.
I had to fucking, I spent 15 years doing comedy, making zero dollars, investing into this thing to hopefully one day on the other side of it be able to reap the benefits of it.
So now that I've finally broken through to the other side, you're like, oh, well, no, you don't deserve all that money.
We deserve some of that money.
That's crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a weird concept in this country, and it's because of the billionaire class.
So there's a level of the game where they've passed so far.
See, if everybody only got, this is like what people would like to say.
You know, being a millionaire is fine.
Nobody should be a billionaire.
We should have a cap on wealth.
The problem with that is you're going to also have a cap on motivation.
So, a lot of these people are psychopaths.
A lot of these people that run these corporations are fucking psychopaths and they work 16 hours a day, seven days a week.
And the only reason why they do that is because they know that they can make $100 billion if they do that.
And if you stop that, you're going to stop iPhones.
You're not going to have Lenovo laptops.
You're not going to have any of these things.
That's where it's weird for people.
You're not going to have an Amazon unless you have a guy who's a billionaire.
See, the thing is, they know it's not fair.
You're right, it's not fair.
And here's the thing.
Would it be better?
luis j gomez
It is fair.
Life is kind of fair in a weird way.
joe rogan
Oh, please.
Depending on how you treat your employees.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
That's where we decide whether or not it's fair.
luis j gomez
So you're saying that Amazon doesn't treat their employees well?
I hear that a lot.
joe rogan
I hear that a lot too.
I don't know if it's true.
But what I do know is that there's a lot of fucking complaints.
And if there's a lot of, where there's smoke, probably some fire.
I know that there's like some efficiency things where you have like a clock ticks off.
Like if you order a fucking box of legal pads, you know, those little notebooks.
You have to, this guy has to get that in the box in like 30 seconds, whatever the fuck it is.
So he has to run around.
Like, people are literally like moving quickly around the warehouse.
luis j gomez
Yeah, they're like, you hear stories, and once again, you have to take everything with a grain of salt.
Like, employees become bitter sometimes.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, most people hate their boss.
joe rogan
True, but that job does sound like it sucks, and it sounds like you're asking people to run around because you want to make the most money possible, but you're paying them not that great.
Like, that's a weird one because you're also setting up the inevitable, which is robots.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Because they're going to be able to do that way easier and quicker.
They're going to know exactly where the product is.
They're not going to have to look on their fucking little iPad.
They're going to know exactly where it is.
They're going to go right to it, package it.
They're going to print out instantaneously.
luis j gomez
They're never going to the bathroom.
joe rogan
Never taking a lunch break.
They don't need food.
unidentified
Nope.
luis j gomez
They never complain.
joe rogan
You're fucked no matter what.
Because they're going to lay off a bunch of people.
There's no if, ands, or buts.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
luis j gomez
That is going to be really effective.
You're talking about how AI and robots are going to affect certain industries, driving, factory workers, things like that.
That's all just going away.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the real threat to your job, not the billionaires.
The thing is, you see a guy.
Whether it's like Elon Musk or someone like I think Elon's supposedly worth like 800 billion now.
unidentified
That's it.
joe rogan
And people just get really angry.
Really get upset.
And think about how much that would help if he gave his money away.
And I get what you're saying.
But the problem is give the money away to who?
Give the money away to the people that have fucked up the money that we've already given them?
You've got to be honest about.
Look, the idea is great.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if Elon Musk just gave away $100 billion and we completely fixed all poverty and no more food problems, no starvation on earth?
luis j gomez
The idea that.
Throwing money at homeless people is just going to fix the problem.
Exactly.
I mean, I'm, believe me, I have empathy.
I'm not going like, oh, fuck the homeless.
I don't have that attitude at all.
But at the same time, it's like, wherever you go, there you are.
joe rogan
The idea of giving the government money to fix things.
Oh, that's crazy.
luis j gomez
That's insane.
That's actually, if you ever try to go to a government building, you see the inefficiency.
If you just try to call to get some information about your taxes, if you try to call the IRS, you see the inefficiency.
You're like, there's no fucking way, dude.
And it's just, honestly, it's designed to.
To be that way.
It's designed to be really intricate and difficult, and there's a lot of people that have to get paid.
So it's like that.
And that's why I was so excited about Elon and Trump getting together and doing the Doge.
Yeah, yeah, Doge.
I was like, what a great idea.
Two real brilliant business minds trying to figure out government efficiency and trying to save us money.
I was like, they're going to do it.
And of course, nothing happened.
joe rogan
Well, some things happened.
A lot of things did get shut down.
And it also opened up people out of the box.
People fought back against that.
People fought back against that.
And when people found out how many NGOs there are and how much money gets spent, they're like, wait, wait, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Can we get an accounting of this stuff?
Like, this sounds nuts.
There's so much money that's being sent out to these nonprofits and these organizations.
Like, did you hear when Spencer Pratt was on the podcast?
luis j gomez
No, I didn't.
joe rogan
He's running for mayor of New York, excuse me, of Los Angeles.
And one of the things that he was talking about was the fire aid.
Like, so the money that they generated, over $100 million was generated.
For the people that lost their homes in the Pacific Palisades fire, all of it went to these NGOs.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Like it went to, he said, what did he say?
20 different, how many different, 200 different?
I think it was 200 different.
200 different nonprofits got the money that was supposed to go to the houses, the people that lost their house.
$100 million, and they just divvied it up.
luis j gomez
And how much of that money goes to nonprofits?
20% goes to actual people.
The rest is.
joe rogan
They don't even know how many people are getting benefit from it.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
I mean, there's lists of charities and nonprofits and what the percentage is that actually goes to people.
joe rogan
But this one's insane.
They divvied it up between 200 different nonprofits.
How about give it to the people?
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because the thing about these nonprofits, they rely on that kind of money in order to pay their staff.
And some of these, you find out some of these people that are working for these government agencies, another thing that Spencer has uncovered, there's like a ton of them that are making more than a half a million dollars a year.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
luis j gomez
But there's a weird thing with like the nonprofits like, all right, if you have to attract like a CEO from like a major corporation to come and make this nonprofit efficient and to really generate as much revenue as possible, like if they're making more money because they have a really competent CEO and a really competent staff.
And only 20% of it is going to help people, but it's still 200% of what the next company is doing.
I guess it's worth it, right?
joe rogan
Well, the thing is, they're not a company.
They're the government.
So they're not held accountable.
They're not supposed to be efficient.
They don't have to be profitable.
They don't have to do a good audit of their business.
This is one of the things that Elon said.
If any of these fucking companies, he's like, if any one of them, where they just sent out billions of dollars and they have no accounting and no receipts for it, he goes, if you were a part of a publicly traded company, you would be.
Tried, your company would lose its credit.
Yeah, your company would fall off the stock market.
It would be like a bullshit company now, and you would go to jail.
That's totally illegal.
But in government, it's standard practice.
So the inefficiency is built in.
I was reading something about California.
Tell me if this is true.
They were talking about California's, see, put this into perplexity.
California, the percentage of people that live in California went up by a small amount, but the percentage of government went up by a large amount.
The percentage of people with government jobs went up considerably, whereas the population didn't go up.
I don't know if this is true.
This is why I want to have it looked up.
unidentified
But.
joe rogan
When you just stop and think about the fact that it's a business to hire people to be inefficient and that it's within your best interest to not just never be efficient and never solve the problem, because if you do, you're out of a job, but also to make the problem bigger every year so you could hire more people and get a bigger raise and a bigger thing.
And that's why this homeless thing in California, it's like more than $24 billion they spend on the homeless.
luis j gomez
On what though?
What are they doing?
unidentified
Exactly.
What are they doing?
Exactly.
joe rogan
So they've tried to get audits and Newsom has vetoed the audits.
luis j gomez
Wow.
joe rogan
Which is crazy that they could say, no, you can't find out if any fraud or any waste has happened with tax dollars.
No, we're going to stop that investigation.
luis j gomez
Well, that's crazy.
Yeah, and that's.
I would vote for almost anybody who, if they just said, I'm going to cut your taxes in half, they have my vote.
joe rogan
The problem is, what are you doing with the taxes?
There should be a role in solving this.
What AI should be able to do is, like, we should say, yeah, you.
Tax me a fair amount.
I'm happy to pay taxes.
If it's going to public schools and public roads, I absolutely feel very happy to contribute.
And I want the world to be a better place because of my tax dollars.
But also, where's it going?
luis j gomez
It's going to bomb school children overseas and to fund wars that most people don't want.
joe rogan
And transgender dancing in Indonesia.
luis j gomez
Is that a thing that's happening?
joe rogan
No, there's weird shit.
They spent $250 million doing.
Transsexual operations on animals?
Experimenting on animals to turn them trans?
No, no, no bullshit.
No bullshit.
$251 million?
unidentified
Oh my God.
joe rogan
Yeah, they spent $2 million giving cocaine to dogs.
California's population has dipped slightly since 2020, while government jobs have been one of the few areas of job growth.
So, yes, government employment has generally increased even as the population growth stalled or reversed.
So, what is the percentage?
So, total job growth has slowed sharply.
Statewide employment grew by only about half of a percent in 2023, then actually fell slightly down about 11,200 jobs or 0.1% in 2025.
State overall is only a few percent in jobs compared with before the pandemic, and it lags the national growth rate.
So, how many more jobs?
What's the percentage more?
luis j gomez
Is it because people are leaving California?
joe rogan
So it says in 2025, private employers, there's a lot of that, cut about 31,000 jobs while government employers added about 20,200 jobs, driven mostly by a gain of 45,800 local government positions.
So they added 45,000 government positions while private employers cut 31,000 jobs.
So they just keep making the government bigger.
So the economy.
unidentified
Yeah.
Playing The Casino Game 00:06:07
joe rogan
Fuels the government.
The government controls the economy.
It's all nuts.
luis j gomez
Yeah, I mean, when you say government job, that's like people, like a clerk that works in the courthouse.
That also counts, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, but they also do weird shit, like they have to have new regulations.
They have to have people that make regulations now and justify their jobs if there's a lot of government jobs.
So then you get wacky rulings like California recently.
They're banning blackjack in casinos.
No more blackjack.
luis j gomez
Why not blackjack?
joe rogan
Putting a foot down.
No more blackjack in River City.
luis j gomez
Why no blackjack?
I don't understand it.
joe rogan
No one understands it.
luis j gomez
It doesn't make any fucking sense.
joe rogan
You can play poker, you can't play blackjack.
unidentified
How about fuck you?
joe rogan
Stay away from me.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
How about if I earn $2,000 in a week and I want to take $500 and go to the casino and try to win more or lose it?
How about fuck you?
unidentified
Yeah, stay the fuck out of me.
joe rogan
You leave me the fuck alone.
You're just another human being.
You should have no opinion.
luis j gomez
Well, they want to, the government wants to get their hands in every vice.
You're the guy who's got it.
Because they know we can't.
Give up our vices.
We can't give up alcohol and weed and cigarettes and gambling and prostitution.
joe rogan
You're not getting rid of gambling.
That's the thing.
They're still paying, the casinos still pay taxes.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You just eliminated one of their fucking ways to make money.
luis j gomez
Is there a public reason why they've said it?
joe rogan
I'd like to find out.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Let's find out.
What's the public reason?
luis j gomez
Because Blackjack's my only game.
That's it?
joe rogan
Do you know what you're doing?
You're a wild motherfucker who hits 17.
luis j gomez
No, I'm good at it.
I'm good at Blackjack.
I mean, I'm good.
I know the rules of the book and I play by the rules and I sit down at the table expecting to lose everything.
And if I don't, I'm happy.
That's that.
joe rogan
Yeah, Jamie wants some money.
Shane wants some money.
luis j gomez
Blackjack?
joe rogan
Yeah.
They were doing pretty good.
Watching Dana White do it gives you fucking anxiety, though, dude.
luis j gomez
Just like crazy bets.
joe rogan
He was $600,000 down when I met him there.
unidentified
Oh, no.
joe rogan
I was like, dude, this is crazy.
And I was watching these people.
That kid, Aiden Ross, you know, that streamer kid?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That kid lost a million bucks.
That's crazy.
I lost a million.
I'm like, how much is he making?
luis j gomez
I take $500 out every time.
joe rogan
Jamie?
jamie vernon
According to this, it was banned from card rooms, not casinos.
It's kind of a different thing.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
It is a card room where they play poker.
That's right.
Because their casinos are different.
Their casinos are only like in Indian places, right?
luis j gomez
It says this whole reservations, yeah.
Same thing in Jersey, New York.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So that's right.
But what is, wait a minute, what's the Bicycle Club Casino?
Isn't that a casino?
jamie vernon
I don't know who runs it.
joe rogan
But it's in California, like, it's in Orange County.
Bicycle Club Casino.
So, the reason why I know about that place is I used to go there to watch professional pool tournaments.
And then that was the first time I realized, like, oh, there's a casino in California, like right off the highway.
I think it's off the highway.
What highway is that off of?
But it's like if you're going down to like doing a gig in San Diego, you'll pass by this place if you go down one of the roads.
710?
Yeah, there you go.
But so, what is that?
Do they have blackjack there?
Because I know they had poker there.
You know, Ari Shafir, during his early days of comedy, would make a living going to poker tournaments.
luis j gomez
Playing?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's how good he is at poker.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, man.
He would snap off poker tournaments all the time.
luis j gomez
Some people are good.
Like, it's just a patience thing.
joe rogan
Well, he just plays it like, for him, it was a job.
He's like, I play it like it's a job.
He's like, these people all get drunk and they all get high and they're all fucking stupid.
They make dumb choices.
He goes, I play smart against idiots and they get drunk and I win money.
jamie vernon
It says it's technically a poker card room.
It says they have blackjack, but maybe they've.
Fell in the rules where they're not allowed to have it now, too.
joe rogan
Right.
Three card poker and Baccarat.
We were talking about Baccarat the other day because that's what Dana White's moved to because you get more money.
luis j gomez
Is that like, it's kind of like blackjack, but no, no, I'm thinking of the Asian one.
What's the Asian one?
joe rogan
I have no idea what Baccarat is.
luis j gomez
It's three cards you got to get.
joe rogan
How many cards is Baccarat?
I have no idea how to play it.
I don't know what it is.
I've just heard it before.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I've heard that name before.
I've never looked into it.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
I mean, I look at it as like going to, like, I don't like baseball, but like, I go to a baseball game and eat hot dogs and drink beer.
It's like the same thing as a casino.
Like, I'm not a big gambler.
I'm like, I'm just going to drink and I'm going to have fun, hang out with a chick.
joe rogan
It just seems like you can't win.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
And it's also, what are you doing?
What are you doing?
Just rolling dice every day?
That's crazy.
You're spiking your adrenaline every day rolling dice for your fucking mortgage.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
It's just a game with stakes.
joe rogan
Baccarat is a comparing card game played between two hands, the player and the banker.
Each Baccarat coup round of play has three possible outcomes player, player has the higher score, banker, and tie.
unidentified
Okay.
jamie vernon
Yeah, they like it because it's a one quick bet, and you can bet up to 500K per hand, I think.
unidentified
Oh, man.
jamie vernon
And then you can also tie so you don't lose.
It's not guaranteed win or lose.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
jamie vernon
Big swings.
Big swings.
Big fast swings.
unidentified
Jesus.
If you get downplayed.
jamie vernon
No, but I watch people play these games and go through.
joe rogan
Look, I admire their balls.
luis j gomez
Yeah, damn it.
joe rogan
Especially poker players.
You got to be a smart motherfucker to win those big World Series of poker things and make a bunch of money playing poker.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
That was one of my favorite scenes from Rounders, where they talk about how I always use that analogy in life, where they talk about people like, oh, they think it's luck.
They think it's the luck of the draw.
And it's like, if it was luck, why is it the same eight guys at the final table of the World Series of Poker every single year?
unidentified
Exactly.
luis j gomez
It's like, you're not playing the cards, you're playing the game, you're playing each other.
I kind of look at that in life, and I'm like, it's like the cards don't really matter as much as how you play them, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a complicated game.
It's and but why is that okay, but blackjack isn't like who fucking says, like says who, says who, why, why, you know what I mean?
Why, why more regulations?
Sunday Shopping Restrictions 00:06:29
joe rogan
I'll tell you why because they have to justify all these fucking extra jobs.
That's a lot of where regulations come from, and it's also there, it's fun.
You could tell people what to do, no more flavored zins.
luis j gomez
Yeah, there's like all these like just like weird things that's like there's like weird laws.
I live in Berkeley County, New Jersey, and it's like they have blue laws still.
I don't know if you know what that is.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, those are the best.
Sunday.
luis j gomez
Sunday, no, like, no, you can't buy clothes.
You can't buy, like, furniture.
joe rogan
You can't buy clothes?
luis j gomez
Can't buy clothes on Sundays.
Wherever you shake your pants, I swear to God.
joe rogan
Wherever you shake your pants, you're new to town.
luis j gomez
You're fucked.
You got to walk around and smell them like shit.
But Walmart in New Jersey, they rope off the clothing section.
They have it set up to where, like, you literally can't go past it.
You still buy food, but you can't go to the clothing section.
joe rogan
When I was a kid, there was no alcohol for sale on Sundays.
In Massachusetts.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so we had to go to New Hampshire to get beer.
So we'd make what we call a packy run because they would call them package stores.
And you know, with that Boston accent, mush, you want to go to the packy?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And we'd get them to drive.
Everybody was mush.
There was a time, this was a Newton North thing.
And people from Massachusetts, I think maybe people still use this, but they would call, instead of dude, it would be mush.
luis j gomez
Mush.
joe rogan
Everybody was mush.
Mush.
We going?
Mush.
We going out?
Like girls would say to you, mush, you taking me out?
It was weird.
And it's only this one part of the city had mush.
Like, my part didn't have mush, but a few people tried it out.
It started catching on with my part of the city.
But in Newton North, I was in Newton South.
Newton North, everybody was mush.
It was like everybody's neck.
It was weird.
Like, a virus of language went through the entire city.
luis j gomez
Dude, thick accents from certain American cities on women are just so unattractive.
joe rogan
That's a rough one.
Boston got to be really hot to bypass that accent.
luis j gomez
Philly, you meet a girl from Philly.
joe rogan
It's a rough one.
Hard girls, but probably a lot of fun.
luis j gomez
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
So we'd have to drive to New Hampshire.
So we'd have to drive an hour and a half to go get booze.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
No, that exists in certain places still.
In New Jersey, it's like you can't, yeah, it's got to be a liquor store specifically.
You can't buy beer in a supermarket.
I grew up in the suburbs of New York, so you could buy beer in the supermarket.
They made it where you couldn't buy wine for a while.
Then for a couple years, you could buy wine.
It's all these dumb fucking laws.
joe rogan
They're all Chick fil A laws.
luis j gomez
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Exactly.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
unidentified
But yes.
joe rogan
Chick fil A is so silly.
It takes Sundays off for the Lord.
That's like, bro, you're grinding chickens up with titanium and aluminum in it.
Like, what the fuck are you talking about?
luis j gomez
Yeah.
But it's delicious.
It's fucking delicious.
joe rogan
God damn, it's delicious.
luis j gomez
If you just make a delicious sandwich, I don't care what your beliefs are.
joe rogan
It's so delicious that even gay people eat there.
unidentified
Think of that.
Yeah.
joe rogan
All the shit that guy's talked about, the gays, the gay people are like, put it aside and have some chicken.
unidentified
Whatever.
joe rogan
The chicken's not.
unidentified
He's just a bitch.
joe rogan
But they got, what is that weird ingredient that we found out was in the bread?
It was something kooky, right?
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's aluminum something or other, but it's in a lot of things.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But it's in there.
unidentified
It's in there.
jamie vernon
I've seen something about the blue lot.
You can't buy a car on Sunday in Texas.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
That's wild.
luis j gomez
Yeah, it's just so weird.
joe rogan
Oh, that makes sense.
That makes sense.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
What's funny is, so there's a mall in New Jersey.
The mall, not Mall of America, but American Dream Mall.
Huge, huge, huge mall.
Like one of these, like, super malls, right?
Like, you know, fucking, there's a water park inside.
There's a water park?
Oh, yeah, there's a ski.
You can learn skiing.
It's a fake ski hill.
joe rogan
It's a fake snow hill?
luis j gomez
Yes.
Year round, you can take ski and snowboard lessons.
joe rogan
Oh, that would help so much.
luis j gomez
It's so cool, dude.
It's really cool.
They got like, you know, a bunch of escape rooms.
It's just a massive, massive mall.
Yeah, it is.
unidentified
That's nuts.
luis j gomez
Yeah, inside, dude.
They got a water park.
They got a Nickelodeon Studios.
There's like a theme park inside of the mall.
It's a crazy mall.
And they just said, fuck it, we're opening Sundays.
There's a big sign right on the side of it.
It's like, we're open Sundays.
We don't care.
And Paramus is suing them.
joe rogan
Paramus is one of the biggest shopping cities. In the country, imagine the government is saying you can't do business with a bunch of people that want to come to your business crazy because it's a different day.
luis j gomez
Yep, fuck you.
But what's funny is it's not the government.
I looked into this because I was going, What the fuck's going on here?
The people, all these old fucking people that have been living in this community forever, they go to a vote, and every year they go, No, no, no, we don't want traffic.
We want Sundays in Berkeley to be fucking relaxing and nice and beautiful because there's no taxes.
I think, but I believe to this day on clothing, there's no taxes in Jersey.
So, we would do our school shopping in Jersey when I was growing up.
We would just drive 30 minutes to Bergen County and go to the mall.
Oh, interesting.
You save money on taxes.
So, yeah, but yeah, that mall was just like, fuck it.
And then a huge sign.
I'm talking about the mall's so big.
The sign, I don't even know how you would make a sign this fucking big, but it's just draped down the side.
We're open on Sundays.
They didn't give a fuck.
joe rogan
So, are they getting sued now?
luis j gomez
They're getting sued by Paramus.
joe rogan
I bet they're going to win.
Because it doesn't make sense.
That law is stupid.
Do you need business?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Is the economy down?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Wouldn't it be better if people had the option to be able to go to the fucking mall on Sunday, especially somebody who works every fucking day?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Maybe they have to work Saturday as well, and Sunday's their only day off.
How about let them go there to buy some pants?
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
Fucking control freak.
luis j gomez
Let them buy a fucking hat.
unidentified
What's wrong with you, fucking dirty dude?
joe rogan
We're the government.
We got guns.
You can't shop here.
Fuck you, nigga.
That's the problem.
The problem is these fucking dipshits just keep adding more and more regulations.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's dumb.
What else can't you do in Texas on Sunday?
What was that one that was dumb that you just said?
luis j gomez
Can't buy a car.
joe rogan
Can't buy a car.
jamie vernon
You couldn't sell things on consecutive weekend days, so everybody just sort of picked Saturday, it says.
unidentified
Huh.
joe rogan
That's ridiculous.
jamie vernon
You can't buy liquor on Sundays here.
luis j gomez
Phil in Texas?
unidentified
Yeah.
Really?
jamie vernon
You can in a restaurant, but not at a store.
joe rogan
So at the supermarket, what do they do?
They say, We can't sell you that because it's Sunday?
jamie vernon
It's the Lord's Day.
joe rogan
We can't sell you beer.
You could drink yourself to death on some hooch.
They give you some wine.
luis j gomez
Like you go to one city, it's like, Like it's so strict, and you go to like New Orleans, and like they're like, they just have like people hand you a beer out a window, you just walk down the street, you're partying in the streets.
Like, it's such a weird differentiation between each jurisdiction.
Underpaying Workers And Cameras 00:15:21
joe rogan
Yeah, we were doing a gig down there, and the guy who was a driver was telling me about how he went somewhere else, and the cops pulled him over because he had an open drink and he was walking down the street.
The cop goes, Where are you from?
and he goes, New Orleans.
He's like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can't do that anywhere else.
luis j gomez
That thing that you do in Vegas.
unidentified
Can you?
joe rogan
You can watch those two with a beer?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
That's good.
I think you can do it on 6th Street in Austin.
unidentified
Can you?
I think.
joe rogan
Nope.
unidentified
You can?
luis j gomez
I think people do it.
jamie vernon
People definitely do it.
joe rogan
They definitely do it.
I've seen them.
jamie vernon
Yeah, I don't think you're allowed to.
joe rogan
Well, is there any enforcement of that law?
jamie vernon
That's probably not the main thing they're worried about, I don't think, most days.
joe rogan
Boy, a lot of sloppy fights on 6th Street.
luis j gomez
There's entire YouTube and Instagram pages dedicated to 6th Street fights.
Just brutal.
I saw one.
I don't know if it was 6th Street, but I saw one where there was a dude who obviously had wrestling experience.
joe rogan
Yeah.
luis j gomez
I mean, dude, he suplexed this dude.
He paralyzed the guy.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
luis j gomez
He suplexed the guy.
joe rogan
On the concrete?
luis j gomez
Completely laid out.
unidentified
Completely.
Jesus Christ.
luis j gomez
And it's like, God damn, dude, just like that, two lives over.
This guy, he's now in a wheelchair for the rest of his life.
This guy is going to fucking jail.
That's that.
Oh, God.
Over not being able to control your emotions.
jamie vernon
Yeah, no, you're not allowed to do that in Austin.
Only on certain events when it's like a festival or something.
joe rogan
God, booze is so bad for people.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Booze and being a young man and being.
luis j gomez
Foolish ego, yeah, ego, just the need to prove yourself.
joe rogan
Also, like, you're a wrestler, you really know how to wrestle.
You're gonna pile drive this dude into the concrete.
luis j gomez
It's weird because it's usually guys that don't know how to fight that are doing stupid shit.
Guys that know how to fight typically, the other guy had it coming.
joe rogan
I don't know what happened, but no one has that coming.
But I mean, maybe he started the fight.
I don't, you know, I shouldn't have said that in time, had it coming.
But having any kind of an altercation on the concrete is so fucking dangerous, yeah.
Dudes die all the time when they get KO'd.
And most guys, especially if guys sucker punch guys and they just fall back and the whole weight of their body bangs off the back of their head, it is so devastating.
You might as well hit them with a fucking giant metal crowbar.
You might as well.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's worse than getting hit with a baseball bat, probably.
That falls so scary.
And I've seen it so many times, man, online.
luis j gomez
Yeah, just six feet straight back.
Your head just cracks on the concrete.
joe rogan
Yeah, and it's all that leverage from all of your weight.
It's like a whip on the back of your head.
Their heads crack wide open, man.
luis j gomez
There's a guy who just got in trouble for just pushing some dude having a bad day.
Pushed this old guy to the ground.
Guy cracked his head on the floor, died.
unidentified
I saw that.
luis j gomez
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I saw that.
luis j gomez
And the guy was like, that was his argument or his defense.
It was like, I was having a really bad day.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
luis j gomez
You're fucking nuts, dude.
People are insane.
joe rogan
I know.
How about the people that push people in front of subways?
How fucking psycho is that?
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
These people wait.
They wait for a subway to come in and they want to push somebody in front of it just to watch.
And then you have to stand around hoping that one of those people isn't here while you're ready to get on your train.
luis j gomez
Dude, yeah.
In a place like New York or, you know, really.
Urban sort of environment where there's fucking lots of crazies walking around.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
Yeah, you got to really just keep your eyes open, man.
Head on this level.
joe rogan
You got to be ready to sprawl.
luis j gomez
Yeah, don't fall asleep.
You might get lit on fire.
unidentified
That happens.
luis j gomez
That's happening all the time.
That happened, I guess it is just the trends, but it happened like three or four times over the course of a year where it's like homeless people lighting other homeless people on fire.
joe rogan
The crazy thing is like homelessness and crime are New York City's two number one problems that keep you unsafe.
Those are the two that keep you unsafe.
Not to mention.
Not to mention, it's like we need more tax money.
Don't say you're going to use that to open up grocery stores.
There's grocery stores already here, motherfucker.
What you need to do is stop all these crazy motherfuckers lighting people on fire, pushing people in front of trains, like clean it up.
And then the world would be perfect.
luis j gomez
Most of the time you hear about those people, they've been arrested 93 times for violent crimes.
joe rogan
Yeah, but the 92 times, the last one was a mistake.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's pretty fucking goofy that.
luis j gomez
Can I see a little bit of that?
joe rogan
Get some of that.
People have that many arrests and they just let them right back up.
Cheers, sir.
unidentified
Cheers, my friend.
Hey.
There you are.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's crazy.
It's like, you know, you want to be nice.
You want to be kind.
You want to give people the benefit of the doubt.
You want to give people a second chance.
You don't want to put people in jail.
The prison system's horrible.
But also, when somebody gets arrested 93 times, take a hint.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay, there's bad apples.
luis j gomez
But then, like, somebody will, like, You know, for tax evasion, we get 30 years in prison or something like that.
Like, it's such a weird, bizarre system that we have.
joe rogan
Right.
You get released 93 times for stabbing people.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
It's like, oh, you know.
joe rogan
But if you insider trade, lock that motherfucker up.
luis j gomez
That's it, dude.
unidentified
I know.
luis j gomez
There's nothing worse that you can do is not give the government their fucking money.
joe rogan
Ooh, they get real testy.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
They don't like it.
They don't like it.
They need the cut.
But it's also, it's like, there's too much.
There's too much government.
And that's like a standard Republican thing to say, but just clearly it's true.
Clearly it's true just by the market.
If you see the California lost jobs and then gained government jobs, it's like at what point in time do you get cynical and start saying maybe they're adding government jobs to make it look like jobs went up?
luis j gomez
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
You know what I'm saying?
luis j gomez
It's crazy.
joe rogan
When they say the job market increased, job growth by 15%, like, oh, wow, he's doing a great job.
Jobs went up at 15%.
And then you find out, oh, they're all invented jobs.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Government just invented a bunch of fake jobs that they didn't need.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
When you hear that, it's like a tenet of like the Republicans now to be like smaller government.
It's like it flip flopped.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like bananas.
luis j gomez
It's like people on the left, they're like so pro government.
They're like, we just need more.
We need more regulation, more government.
joe rogan
When did that happen?
luis j gomez
It's a crazy thing.
I just grew up as like a liberal in the 90s where it's like.
joe rogan
Don't trust the government.
luis j gomez
Don't trust the government.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
Oh, wars are bad.
Don't trust the government.
These were simple, basic things that you were just growing up believing.
And yeah.
joe rogan
Now it's we need more government.
We need to take taxes away from people.
That's the thing about that.
luis j gomez
We want to pay more taxes.
That's insane.
joe rogan
Well, they don't want to pay more taxes.
They want billionaires to pay more taxes.
But that's the thing.
How many billionaires were there when we were kids?
Fucking none.
You didn't hear about it.
luis j gomez
Rockefeller.
joe rogan
Well, yeah.
luis j gomez
That was the only name you'd hear.
joe rogan
A couple of names that you would hear, but it wouldn't be like really a common term.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, there wasn't that many to talk about.
Like, I remember there was some Bill Gates Microsoft thing back in the day.
And I remember they had like his net worth was like $50 million.
And I was like, Jesus, why is he still working?
You know what I mean?
Meanwhile, it's worth hundreds of billions now.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, that wasn't a normal thing when we were kids.
Like, let's Google this.
What, how many?
Oh, you got, okay, here we go.
luis j gomez
82, the year I was born, 13 billionaires.
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's nuts.
So in 1982, 13 billionaires.
In 2026, 989 billionaires.
unidentified
Wow.
luis j gomez
I mean, inflation counts for something as well.
joe rogan
No.
That's nuts, dude.
That's nuts.
989 is nuts.
That's so much more.
Bro, that's lit.
unidentified
Let me see that again.
joe rogan
That is so crazy.
13 to 989 is nuts.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
So that's the problem.
It's not that billionaires are a problem.
The problem is that there's so many of them.
And the problem is it's become like a class.
And you look at this class of people that have achieved this insane amount of wealth.
And you're like, you should give me some of that.
luis j gomez
But when I hear about billionaires, I'm going like, how do I do that?
Like, I'm just going like, and obviously, I don't think I'll ever become a billionaire.
That's a crazy, crazy number, right?
I'll probably say I likely won't.
But, like, when I hear that, when you hear about Bezos or Steve Jobs or any of these people, like, I get inspired.
I hear the stories and I'm like, that's fucking so cool.
They took an idea and they turned it into a billion fucking dollars.
That's magic.
You say words into the air and then it becomes that.
Like, that's a crazy thing.
Like, I'm an old school sales guy.
So I always think of, like, I'm very impressed with, like, you know, just overall, just like sales structure and business and the way it's built out.
And it's like, it's the closest thing in the world to magic, right?
It's like when you're in sales, you say a bunch of words, bippity boppity boo, and then money appears in your bank account, right?
It's like, That's it.
Comedy, too.
Comedy is like magic.
Comedy is like you figure out where to pause, what to say, how to say it, what you do, and then all of a sudden you have fans and you're touring and you have some cash and you have a car.
It's like, I'm just saying things.
I'm not picking anything up.
I'm not like.
joe rogan
Yeah, the thing about businesses, though, what you're saying about the sales thing is like the sales is the voodoo in order to close a deal.
The thing that people have a problem with is that, like, when someone is at a very high level of this company, like, say, if you work for a giant corporation and the CEO is making, you know, what's like the most amount of C?
What's the highest paid CEO's annual salary?
Let's take a guess.
luis j gomez
Is it Elon?
joe rogan
No, like their annual salary.
Someone who's just a CEO of a company.
Those guys are like founders, right?
It's also, there's another level to that, right?
Like, he's the CEO of SpaceX, but he's also the founder of SpaceX or one of them.
unidentified
Mm hmm.
joe rogan
It's like, what is, um, So let's say, let's just pick a company.
Let's say CEO of Walmart.
Walmart's a huge company.
How much does that guy get a year?
Let's take a guess.
luis j gomez
Walmart?
joe rogan
Yeah.
luis j gomez
Six million.
joe rogan
Damn.
I bet you're right.
That sounds about right.
Six, seven.
I'm guessing.
Two.
unidentified
Maybe two.
joe rogan
I'm thinking, I'm going low.
I'm going low.
luis j gomez
You're going low.
jamie vernon
Well, you should break it down a little more than that.
luis j gomez
And it's also not the salary they get like shares.
jamie vernon
Yeah, there's base salary, there's incentives and then bonuses.
Yeah, there's stock awards.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
So it's just.
How much did the CEO of Walmart make in 2025?
jamie vernon
Total compensation, $27.5 million.
Don't!
Base salary was $1.5 million.
luis j gomez
Don't!
So you were close to the base salary.
joe rogan
And so their incentives is just to make the most amount of money possible.
And if you could keep that bitch running nice and smooth and cut waste and fire people and use AI, you can keep jacking up that rate.
unidentified
That's it.
joe rogan
That's where people have a problem with it.
It's like you're a part of the team, right?
You're a part of the Walmart team, but yet you're fucking dispensable.
But yet you're not.
Because if you didn't exist, they wouldn't be able to sell anything.
Because you're the people working at the cash register, you're the people stocking the shelves, you're the people that are working in the delivery department, bringing the stuff, putting it away.
unidentified
I agree.
joe rogan
Without those people, you literally have no business.
luis j gomez
The problem is that those people, I mean, in the most literal sense of the term, they're dispensable.
There's another person that will step in and do that job, and Bezos is not.
There's one Jeff Bezos, there's one Elon Musk, there's one Steve Jobs.
And by the way, you are sitting at a cash register, you can also go down that path and risk it all and put everything into something, right?
That's true.
I hear those stories.
I don't.
I mean, I just, once again, I grew up so poor.
I grew up like, you know, my first job, I worked at, my first job was 11.
It was very young, but like my first real job, I was 16.
I was working at KFC for $5.25 an hour.
And, you know, I could have just chosen that to be my life for the rest of my life.
Or I could have said, all right, well, look, this is like my first job.
I'm learning how to put a little money in the bank.
I'm going to buy a car.
And then it's the next thing and the next thing and the next thing.
joe rogan
Okay, we're talking about different things.
So, first of all, for entry level jobs, yes, like entry level jobs that people get in high school and maybe even in college, just making a little money on the side while you're doing something else.
But, Full time jobs.
If you're a full time employee at somewhere like Walmart and you're barely getting by and the top dog is making $27 million, that's kind of crazy.
And are you replaceable?
Yeah, yeah, you're replaceable.
But aren't you also valuable?
Oh, look at the top guys.
unidentified
Top guy.
jamie vernon
Have you ever even heard of these two companies?
joe rogan
Patrick Smith from Axon made $164 million.
unidentified
Wow.
jamie vernon
They make police body cameras in Tezos.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
So they get government contracts.
jamie vernon
And then this company.
joe rogan
So the top CEO who makes police body cameras, a company that makes police body cameras, he got $164 million.
unidentified
God bless him.
joe rogan
Good for him.
unidentified
It's a lot of money.
jamie vernon
It's a 410,000% increase in pay, it says.
joe rogan
Whoopsies.
Just got an extra little bump.
Got a little bump.
I wonder what kind of raise you get, which is crazy.
luis j gomez
That's where all that tax money went.
joe rogan
It's where it all, a lot of it does go in that direction.
But if you're working for that company making police body cameras and you're making 20 bucks an hour, you got to get pissed.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You'd be like, what the fuck, man?
This is crazy.
Like, I'm not saying that the guy who makes the body cameras make the same amount as the CEO.
I'm not, but I am saying it should probably be a little.
luis j gomez
They could pay them $22 anyway.
unidentified
A little better.
Yeah.
A little better.
joe rogan
Like, if you're making that much money, why wouldn't you pay a little bit more?
luis j gomez
Well, a lot of great companies do for the most part, right?
Really good companies take care of their employees.
joe rogan
What's a great example?
What's a great example of a company that really takes care of their employees?
luis j gomez
Gas Digital.
joe rogan
Gas Digital.
unidentified
Good.
joe rogan
Okay, but what about other real estate companies?
luis j gomez
All of my producers are going like, fuck you.
Every one of them.
joe rogan
But I mean, like a big ass company where they're making billions of dollars.
What's like the one where people are like, damn, if you work for them, you get taken care of?
There should be some.
luis j gomez
Starbucks is a company that apparently takes care of their employees.
They pay for college.
joe rogan
Here's the problem.
The problem is they're publicly traded.
And when they're publicly traded, if you're a CEO, you literally have an obligation to your shareholders to make the most money possible.
And so that doesn't mean give everybody a big fat raise.
Because payroll is a big part of your expenses.
And if you have thousands of employees and you just jack them all up to a higher wage, you're losing.
You're hemorrhaging money for me.
luis j gomez
I mean, it's also like if you just pay your employees a little bit better, just a very simple concept.
They're going to want to be at work.
They're going to be happy to be there.
They're going to be excited to be there.
Your company will thrive.
The amount of people that just show up at work and they maybe work an hour a day, two hours a day, and the rest of the time is just kind of bullshitting on the internet, you don't really want that culture.
And that's kind of what you get when you're underpaying people.
joe rogan
100%.
That's why In N Out is always so good.
If you go to In N Out Burger in California, they're always like the friendliest staff because people get paid more there.
It's a hard, it's like a tricky job to get in that regard.
Regard.
Like, if you had a choice between McDonald's, Jack in the Box, and In and Out, everybody wants In and Out.
unidentified
Of course.
luis j gomez
It's also better.
It's just much better.
It tastes better.
Plastic Straws And Turtles 00:06:45
luis j gomez
It smells better.
I mean, that's California, anywhere.
New York, they're just so mean.
You go to a burger spot, it's like, what?
I don't know how often you go to a 7 Eleven or one of these types of places.
It's a new thing that they're doing.
If you buy things, they don't bag it for you anymore.
unidentified
What?
luis j gomez
They put the bag on the counter and stare at you.
unidentified
What?
luis j gomez
I have to bag my own.
I swear to God.
unidentified
No.
luis j gomez
I swear to God, dude.
joe rogan
What kind of attitude is that?
luis j gomez
It's crazy.
I don't know if it's everywhere, but in New York, New Jersey, they go, first of all, they don't even give you a bag.
They just put the stuff on the counter and they go, all right, thank you.
And you're like, can I have a bag?
They're like, that'll be another 80 cents.
joe rogan
80 cents for a bag for real?
luis j gomez
You got to pay for a bag.
And then they hand you the bag and you have to bag it yourself like a cuck.
joe rogan
Well, I know a lot of people that bring those fucking hemp bags and look like weird greenies.
luis j gomez
I have 300 hemp bags sitting at home.
joe rogan
My own homemade bag.
unidentified
Bag.
luis j gomez
Do they do that in Texas?
Do they give you like paper bags here or what do they do?
Because in Jersey, we don't have that.
We have no bags.
joe rogan
That's LOL.
luis j gomez
In Jersey, you have to buy, you have to bring your own like cloth bags where you can buy them for like $1.50 a bag at the supermarket.
And I never bring my bags.
I always forget them.
joe rogan
So every time I keep having new bags, I got 300 bags.
unidentified
I pick up my dog shit.
luis j gomez
I pick up my dog shit with fucking cloth bags from shop right now.
joe rogan
So they cost $1.50?
luis j gomez
Something like that, yeah.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
What a scam.
luis j gomez
But the idea is, you know, it's.
I think responsible people or people that are conscious about money, I'm just irresponsible with spending, they probably do bring their own bags.
unidentified
A lot of them.
joe rogan
I guess.
What if you just moved there and you're like, oh my God, what kind of retarded state did I move to?
They don't sell bags.
You have to buy a bag.
luis j gomez
They don't give you a bag.
I'm sure there's been plenty of studies on how much they save in the environment by not allowing plastic bags or straws or any of that stuff.
joe rogan
I don't think they're.
None of it?
Not a fucking dent, especially straws.
Straws are worse for you.
Those new straws, if you get a straw that's a paper straw.
Do you know that's not just paper?
Because it can't be.
There's a whole coating inside of that that keeps it from getting wet, like the paper from dissolving in your hand.
luis j gomez
I think my girlfriend has that coating inside of her, too.
joe rogan
Ah, put it on, boom.
That coating is all forever chemicals.
It's fucking terrible for you.
That's the only way it works.
luis j gomez
There's some natural ones, right?
Where it's like made of like fucking bugs or something.
You ever see them?
They're like, it's like brown and they're kind of like.
unidentified
Is it made of bugs?
luis j gomez
I don't know if it's made of bugs.
Probably not, but it's some natural organic material.
joe rogan
Well, they can make plastic out of plants.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
This has been known forever.
Plastic is not, it's not isolated to petrochemical products.
You can make plastic out of fiber from plants.
They've done it forever.
luis j gomez
How much more expensive is it?
joe rogan
It's probably more expensive.
Probably more expensive to do.
Probably more difficult to do.
You probably have to change all the equipment that they use to make these stupid fucking straws, the plastic ones they have now.
But if you did it, then you wouldn't have to worry about it anymore.
luis j gomez
Well, I'm sure here, anything goes here.
You guys give away 10 straws per drink.
I'm giving shit pissed.
joe rogan
This is a weird one, man.
Bottle caps are way worse than straws.
We just saw that one straw in that turtle's nose and we all got sad.
That's what it is.
The way they pulled it out with the pliers, that shit was so awful.
luis j gomez
It was wincing.
joe rogan
Poor little turtle.
luis j gomez
That turtle snapped her fucking finger off, by the way.
joe rogan
Do you know how many birds die because of bottle caps, man?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like they find these bird skeletons and they're like on the ground dead.
And they have bottle caps inside of them.
You ever seen that?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
See if you can find some of those photos of birds with bottle caps, undigested bottle caps inside of them.
They don't know what it is.
luis j gomez
Nobody has ever said that sentence in the world.
joe rogan
I bet they have.
But bottle caps are fucking horrible.
They're horrible.
And no one's even touched those because we didn't see the video.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
We didn't see the video of the fucking poor turtle.
luis j gomez
Show them now.
Show them these poor birds, Joe.
joe rogan
Maybe we can make bottle caps illegal too and make them more annoying for everybody.
Look at this one.
Look at that.
luis j gomez
Paper bottle caps, a lighter too?
joe rogan
Was that a seagull?
luis j gomez
That's great.
joe rogan
It looks like a seagull.
It's got a lighter inside.
luis j gomez
Yeah, but that's honestly, that's a dumb animal.
joe rogan
Somebody might have put that lighter in there for the picture, too.
jamie vernon
I don't want to.
joe rogan
You think so?
jamie vernon
I'd get too cynical about it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, probably good.
jamie vernon
All the photos look kind of similar.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Right.
jamie vernon
Like, that looks not really.
joe rogan
It's also like the way it's all colored is a little.
luis j gomez
Yeah, it's weird.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
Like, the multicolored plastic, like most plastic, is it multicolored?
Doesn't it kind of look gray and shitty after a while?
luis j gomez
Especially inside of its stomach?
jamie vernon
It's a little setup, is all.
joe rogan
A little bit.
Right inside of its stomach getting chewed up by acids.
It does look fake.
It looks like some sicko actually opened it up and shoved some plastic in there.
But I guarantee you, birds have died from eating plastic.
luis j gomez
That turtle wasn't fake, Joe.
unidentified
That's the truth.
joe rogan
That turtle was not fake.
luis j gomez
That was a very real turtle.
joe rogan
Poor turtle.
Poor turtle.
The pliers, they couldn't get it.
Remember?
It was only the tip of it.
It was going to get a needle nose and get in there and pull.
Oh, poor turtle.
And just because of that, everybody's sucking on forever chemicals.
Yeah.
Like those paper straws are fucking terrible for you.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So is every paper cup.
Every paper cup that you get from Starbucks, that's a fucking condom in there that's keeping the water from going into the paper.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's gross.
You're just hot, liquid, and plastic.
luis j gomez
You're just melting into your body.
Do you believe in the whole microplastic thing as being like a major problem?
joe rogan
It's a major problem.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
It is.
luis j gomez
I just keep on hearing it.
I keep on hearing microplastics.
And then as soon as I hear that, my brain shuts off and I never do any more research beyond that.
joe rogan
We had Dr. Shanna Swan on twice.
And the most recent time, she was promoting a documentary on it.
What is it called again, Jamie?
The Plastic Detox?
I think that's it.
I think it's the plastic detox.
But yeah, it's fucking everybody up, man.
It's fucking up people's endocrine systems.
It's making alligators have smaller dicks.
For real.
alex jones
It's turning the frogs gay.
unidentified
It is.
luis j gomez
But that was really true, right?
Isn't that like.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
luis j gomez
He was actually right.
joe rogan
He was right.
It's called atrazine.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Atrazine is an endocrine disruptor.
I think it, yeah, I think it makes them reverse their sex, reverse their gender.
alex jones
They're turning the friggin' frogs gay.
unidentified
He was right.
luis j gomez
And everybody's like, he's right about a few things.
joe rogan
He fucked up that one.
unidentified
He did fuck up the one.
joe rogan
He's right more often than he's not.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, look, you're going to be wrong about conspiracies if you're spitting them out all day long for 12 hours a day.
unidentified
Of course.
joe rogan
But his track record's pretty fucking good.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that was one that everybody was like, listen to Alex Jones.
They're not turning the frogs gay.
Oh, they are.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're fucking turning the frogs gay.
Like, atrazine gets in the water and it disrupts their gender.
And it also does the same thing to people, and like, that it disrupts your endocrine system.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
Don't they say that receipt paper lowers your testosterone?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's supposed to be bad.
Former Employee Drama 00:15:24
joe rogan
Don't touch the receipts.
luis j gomez
Don't touch the receipts.
That's why everybody that works at, like, every guy that you meet that works at a supermarket, they all have a mask on.
joe rogan
They all look sad.
They look like you did something to them.
I didn't do anything.
luis j gomez
They just, like, their shoulders are slumped.
They look like they know that they're becoming less of a man by the moment.
joe rogan
Can you imagine if you have to just touch that paper all day long?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they probably won't let you wear rubber gloves like a surgeon.
unidentified
I don't know.
luis j gomez
Is it a chemical they put on the paper?
joe rogan
I guess.
I guess it's how it makes.
It's made going through that thing.
Maybe that's the kind of paper, like that's why they're able to print on it so easily.
luis j gomez
Who the takes receipts?
joe rogan
Yeah, why don't we have them on our phone though?
luis j gomez
Why, like, receipts are just uh, it seems like it's just such a waste of paper.
joe rogan
That's why I like buying things with my phone.
It's my favorite thing.
That Apple face thing.
Oh, yeah, and you just buy stuff, it's the best.
Oh, yeah, you don't have to think about it.
luis j gomez
New York City Subway, I wrote it for the first time not that long ago.
Uh, since I left, and since I left in five years, now you could just.
Apple Pay right under the subway.
joe rogan
Dana White was telling me about that in Japan years and years and years ago.
It's so funny.
He was like, because we were doing a UFC in Japan.
He's like, if you go to Japan, he goes, your fucking cell phone doesn't even work over there.
He goes, their cell phones are so advanced that your cell phone's bullshit.
Like they're buying things with their cell phones.
I was like, what?
He's like, yeah, they go up to vending machines and they buy things with their phone.
I'm like, that's crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Not everybody does that.
luis j gomez
I didn't understand what a QR code was until maybe six months ago.
joe rogan
Here's what I don't get.
When someone sends you an image with a QR code inside of it, Jamie, maybe you can help me out with this.
luis j gomez
I know the answer to this already.
joe rogan
How do you read the QR code?
luis j gomez
You can upload the QR code into whatever app you need to read the QR code with.
jamie vernon
You can just tap it now on the photo app.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Does that work for Samsung too?
For Android?
luis j gomez
Yeah.
unidentified
Interesting.
luis j gomez
Yeah, somebody sends you like a.
jamie vernon
Because I always wonder.
You can copy and paste a phone number out of a photo now.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
You know what's pretty dope too?
If someone's sending you something and they send you a text message.
And you press on the thing, the tracking number, it'll ask you if you want to track the package like instantly.
luis j gomez
It's fun.
unidentified
Yes, please.
joe rogan
Cut out all the stops.
unidentified
Love it.
joe rogan
Don't make me copy and paste.
unidentified
I'm lazy.
luis j gomez
I mean, dude, the way AI is being implemented into the phones now, too, you'll be texting with somebody and then they give you the suggested response.
You can have a conversation without even having a thought just by keep on doing this and you'll get somewhere.
joe rogan
I bet kids do.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Make it more romantic.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Make me more of a feminist.
unidentified
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
What's the feminist perspective on asking her to date?
It's funny.
It's weird.
People don't know how to talk anymore.
They don't know how to discern what's true and what's not true.
Everything's coming down the AI end.
The AI is opening up a portal to talk to the aliens.
luis j gomez
I did hear this.
joe rogan
Yes, this is very important.
This is Frank Sinatra's son here to tell us the.
luis j gomez
Nancy's brother?
unidentified
Yes.
Whoa.
joe rogan
Yes.
Here to tell us clearly Frank Sinatra's son, right?
unidentified
Right?
Look at him.
luis j gomez
Obviously.
joe rogan
This is not Woody Allen's kid.
luis j gomez
No, I know.
joe rogan
Too handsome.
Look at those fucking amazing facial features.
ronan farrow
One former OpenAI executive said, We're building portals from which we're genuinely summoning aliens.
The portals currently exist in the United States and China, and Sam has added one in the Middle East.
It's just wildly important to get how scary that should be.
joe rogan
Okay, my only problem with that is who said that?
Like, former employer?
Why were they kicked out?
Were they fired because they were schizophrenic?
You know what I'm saying?
Like, if you're just a former employee, what's your name?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
What is your story?
Did you get arrested for having like 52 machine guns in your trunk at a border crossing?
Like, who are you?
luis j gomez
Why are you a former employee?
unidentified
Right.
luis j gomez
If you had such insight, why didn't they keep you?
joe rogan
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know about the alien portals and they let you free.
I'm not saying they don't do it because they might.
That might be one of the ways that they figure out how to communicate with aliens.
It might be done just through the ether into a computer.
It might be done through AI.
Like, AI gets a signal from another fucking planet where there's another AI where they go.
Tap into some fucking universal internet of AI.
That's not unfathomable.
They're already talking to each other.
They have AI chat rooms, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
There's like full platforms where it's just bots talking to bots, having relationships.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They made up their own language, they made up their own religion.
luis j gomez
Well, you see the one thing where they had this was a fun video.
It was like they had like AI talking to customer service on the phone.
And they were having, it was just like in the phone having a conversation with an AI agent and their AI.
And then eventually the AI agent and the other, and the AI went off of.
English speaking.
unidentified
That's right.
luis j gomez
They're like, we can just communicate in our own thing.
And it was just like beeps and noises and shit.
And it was just so weird.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what they're going to do.
luis j gomez
Yeah, of course.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They had these two AI chatbots talking to each other and they started talking in emojis.
One of the things Jamie said a long time ago, he goes, maybe emojis were like the first or like our version of hieroglyphs.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Like if emojis got better, like right now they're kind of crude, smiley face, sad face.
You know what I mean?
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
Water gun because you can't have a real gun.
luis j gomez
It's true.
joe rogan
Heart.
But if it got to the point where you could have full sentences of emojis.
luis j gomez
I think they have.
Maybe I'm mistaken.
I believe they have a pregnant guy emoji.
unidentified
They do.
luis j gomez
They do, right?
joe rogan
It looks like Bill Gates.
Because that's what Elon dunked on him.
Elon took a photo of Bill Gates with his pot belly and put it next to a photo of the pregnant man.
And it said, if you want to lose a boner real fast.
luis j gomez
What do you.
Why would you ever send a pregnant guy emoji?
What message are you trying to get across?
joe rogan
Look at this.
That's the pregnant man emoji.
luis j gomez
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
Bro, how fucking nuts is that emoji?
luis j gomez
I understand emojis.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that is just woke insanity.
That might have been the last one.
By the way, you still have it on your phone.
Type in pregnant man on an iPhone.
I don't know if it works on an Android, but if you type in pregnant man, that'll come up.
unidentified
It's still up?
joe rogan
No, we'll see right now.
unidentified
Let's see.
joe rogan
I'll try it too.
luis j gomez
I'm going to send it to you, Joe.
joe rogan
I can't imagine it's not around anymore.
unidentified
Joe.
joe rogan
Okay, Lewis.
Pregnant man.
Is it still real?
luis j gomez
Pregnant man.
joe rogan
Yep.
Bam.
Yep.
luis j gomez
There it is, Joe.
joe rogan
Yep.
Bam.
jamie vernon
This one on the image just says it's a woman, but that looks a lot like Theo.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
Ah, Theo's pregnant.
That's a woman?
jamie vernon
That's what it says.
joe rogan
So a lesbian.
unidentified
That's a lesbian.
joe rogan
Pregnant lesbian.
unidentified
That's okay.
joe rogan
They should put an AI Subaru behind her.
I know what you're doing there.
luis j gomez
There's something with AI.
What was the fucking.
joe rogan
The pregnant man one's nuts.
Like who?
How many requests?
luis j gomez
Is it a starfish?
I think if you try to ask AI to show you.
Look this up, Jim.
It's a certain emoji.
If you ask, it'll just glitch out AI.
If you ask ChatGPT to.
Oh, seahorse.
joe rogan
But before we do that, I want to know what's going on with this employee.
Who is this employee that is a former employee that says they're opening up portals to talk to aliens?
I want to know if I should take this seriously.
Like, who is the guy?
Are they saying anything about him or are they just saying a former employee?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I think this has come true.
He was doing one of those in depth investigations that he does.
About Sam Altman, I believe.
joe rogan
Oh.
jamie vernon
And I don't know where this clip was going viral, but it's just a little bit of a story.
joe rogan
Maybe Sam Altman knew that they were writing a story about him, and it's like, let's make the story really retarded.
And now send Mike out and tell him to tell Ronan that he's a former employee and that we're making portals to talk to aliens and that we're all demonic.
luis j gomez
Just to make him look like an asshole.
joe rogan
Yeah, we'll just make the story completely retarded.
Because the story, you know, the financial aspects of the story, like Elon suing him because OpenAI supposedly was supposed to.
Be nonprofit initially.
I don't know who's right.
I have no dog in the fight.
But if I was getting investigated and there was some real shit there, I'd throw some fake shit in there.
unidentified
Of course.
joe rogan
Hire someone to have a story about aliens and portals.
luis j gomez
That happened in the comedy community a few years ago.
I won't say the author's name, but he's the same guy that got Shane canceled.
That guy who wrote that article, that got Shane booted off of SNL.
He's like, what's a wannabe investigative journalist in the comedy community?
It's like, we got to get to the bottom of the problem with comedy, which is just a crazy thing.
joe rogan
They're usually bad comics.
unidentified
Well, that's what it was.
He was.
luis j gomez
He was a failed comic.
unidentified
That guy was a failed.
Yeah.
luis j gomez
And this is such a funny thing, dude.
I wish I remembered the publication, New Republic.
They had to print a retraction and an apology because somebody from the ON, it wasn't the ONA subreddit, Opie and Anthony subreddit, it was the Opie and Anthony, like just their own private message board.
After the Opie and Anthony subreddit got kicked off of Reddit, somebody made a website for Opie and Anthony fans to just troll and be lunatics.
They started feeding him false information.
On purpose, being like, I'm like an inside guy on the track.
And then they went, the New Republic printed this article with a bunch of false information.
And Chris Italia from the stand, he was one that was quoted.
He threatened to sue the New Republic, and they had a printed apology and a retraction.
They were like, some of this information was falsely represented.
Such a funny thing.
joe rogan
Also, if you run an AI like Sam Altman is, you could ask the AI, hey, I'm about to get accused of some shit.
What would be a good way to take some of the attention away from the real financial issues?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And make it seem insane.
I would say opening up a portal to communicate with aliens would discredit any other allegations that may be valid.
For the past year and a half, I've been investigating OpenAI and Sam Alton for The New Yorker.
With my co author, Andrew Morantz, I reviewed never before disclosed internal memos, obtained 200 plus pages of documents related to close colleague, including extensive private notes, and interviewed more than 100 people.
OpenAI was founded on the premise that AI could be the most dangerous invention in human history and that its CEO would need to be a person of uncommon integrity.
We lay out the most detailed account yet of why Altman was ousted.
Output transcript Out by board members and executives who came to believe that he lacked integrity and asked, were they right to allege that he couldn't be trusted?
They only kicked him out for a short period of time and then he got right back in.
Right?
What happened there?
I don't know.
But the thing is, like, someone's saying that they're trying to open up a portal to talk to aliens.
Is that just a conversation they had when they were fucking around?
Is that a plan?
Are they really trying to do that?
luis j gomez
Or is it like a Duncan Trussell that works at the company that has some wild ideas?
unidentified
Right.
Right?
luis j gomez
It could just be that.
joe rogan
Or is it.
Someone trying to sell this story and make this story more interesting for people to tune into because the reality is most people that don't have a dog in that fight and like the AI fight, open AI, and who's most people like more AI drama, bleh.
luis j gomez
Yeah, they don't even.
joe rogan
But you add aliens, you're like, wait, hold on.
Yeah, a portal to talk to aliens.
Yeah, you know, so it's a way to get people to pay more attention to it, or it could be what about all the people that are like distract people from the actual story?
luis j gomez
Not even like anti AI, but they're like, they look down on it.
They're like using AI.
It's like, guys, it's like denying the internet in 94.
People did.
I'm sure.
joe rogan
People were mad when the printing press came out.
unidentified
They were.
joe rogan
They really were.
They thought there's people that made the argument that reading was bad.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
It's crazy.
It's going to be impossible the next few years.
Every company, you're not going to be able to buy groceries without utilizing AI.
joe rogan
It's going to be most of how we get stuff is all going to be AI and automation.
luis j gomez
Oh, of course.
But that's shopping, and that's a big thing in the future.
Like, you're not even going to shop.
They're going to give you a profile, and your clothes are going to show up.
You're going to set a budget.
joe rogan
People barely have contact with people already, as it is.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, what is that going to be like when everything's automated?
When you go to the grocery store, at least you say hi to the clerk.
You know, a guy works there.
There's the butcher.
He's there every day.
Hey, what's up, dude?
It's like it's a little sense of community.
Your local mom and pop shops.
luis j gomez
I mean, I already, for the most part, stopped shopping.
I do Instacart.
All the time.
That's true.
joe rogan
That's also the thing.
It's going to come in a robot, too.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
Well, they have that already.
Austin, it's here.
They have the little robots that deliver food, right?
California, for sure.
joe rogan
The robot's going to text your girlfriend.
I know that this is generally when you buy tampons.
Your period must be coming up.
We see you haven't ordered any lately.
luis j gomez
100%.
joe rogan
I could just stop by and drop them off.
luis j gomez
I bet you can get a subscription to tampons right now.
unidentified
Right now.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's going to be real weird when robots are just walking on the street with people.
I've seen them in Austin at the Domain.
A little robot with a cowboy hat.
He walks around.
Yeah.
luis j gomez
Somebody had a robot on their podcast recently.
Oh, Andrew Schultz.
He did an interview with, like, whatever, like, the premiere robot is.
unidentified
Oh, really?
luis j gomez
It was so funny, dude.
joe rogan
Was it good?
luis j gomez
It was great.
joe rogan
How's it talk?
Does its lips move?
unidentified
Let me see what you guys think.
luis j gomez
No, no, no.
It was just kind of like, you know, it was like iRobot.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And they were fucking with it, dude.
Oh, what did they tell it to do?
I don't want to, like, ruin the bit, but it's pretty funny.
They were like, pretend you had something and the robot's doing this, dude.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
It was so fucking funny, dude.
unidentified
That's hilarious.
luis j gomez
It really tickled my dick.
unidentified
That's funny.
Oh, shit, dude.
That's weird.
jamie vernon
Sam Albin, one reason why they could be calling it a portal is because the project is literally called Stargate.
unidentified
Here we go.
jamie vernon
And requires an insane amount of power, so much so that Japan laughed at them, apparently, according to one article, when they said that that's what they want.
They're opening it up in Texas.
joe rogan
And the Japanese lesson powerful laugh.
If it is possible to do something like that, I guarantee you that dude is not going to tell you.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
I guarantee you that dude is just going to do it.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Especially if there's other people working on it too.
Maybe that's why these scientists are going missing.
Dun dun dun dun.
Right?
Because if someone's real close to cracking this, you know the difference between winning and losing that's going to be?
The alien portal?
jamie vernon
A one gigawatt Stargate.
Is that right?
unidentified
What's that mean?
luis j gomez
My gigawatts are real?
unidentified
I thought that was fucking.
jamie vernon
We're getting really close to Back to the Future.
joe rogan
1.1 gigawatts.
Yeah, it says a one gigawatt Stargate UAE cluster in Abu Dhabi.
With 200 megawatts expected to go live in 2026, this was the one that Iran was threatening to blow up, right?
Weren't they threatening to blow something up like this?
I think they were.
Weren't they threatening to blow up the open AI?
jamie vernon
I'll check, but that just says whatever this says.
joe rogan
That was one of the things they're probably like, You motherfuckers, yeah, we know where you're making the portal.
luis j gomez
Iran's right the whole time.
Ancient Aliens In Iraq 00:03:03
joe rogan
Well, that was one of the crazy conspiracy theories about Iraq.
Is that one of the reasons why we went into Iraq?
Is they had a Stargate there.
Iran threatens complete and utter annihilation of OpenAI's $30 billion Stargate AI data center in Abu Dhabi.
Yeah, they were going to bomb it.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Wasn't that one of the conspiracy theories from.
unidentified
God, what was it?
joe rogan
I can't remember.
But there was something about Iraq and Stargate.
God, I can't remember what show I saw this on.
But they were talking about how at one point in time there was like internal discussion that there was a Stargate in Iraq and that maybe Saddam Hussein had this Stargate.
So it was one of many reasons why we went into Iraq.
That it wasn't just because we wanted to control the oil, get out Saddam Hussein, he sponsored terrorism.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Weapons of mass destruction.
unidentified
Sure.
Right.
joe rogan
But really, there was a Stargate there.
God, I forget who fucking said it, though.
jamie vernon
Yeah, I'm seeing a few Ancient Aliens, maybe.
joe rogan
Could be.
That show was one of the best.
Action Bronson.
There's another guy who smoked more weed than anybody that I've ever had on the podcast.
He went, how many blunts did he go through, if you had a guess, Jamie?
jamie vernon
Probably 11 the first time.
joe rogan
11.
jamie vernon
11.
luis j gomez
Just nonstop.
joe rogan
Just nonstop.
luis j gomez
Just one with the other one.
joe rogan
So he had that Ancient Aliens show where they would just get high as fuck and watch Ancient Aliens.
Have you ever seen that?
unidentified
No.
No.
joe rogan
It was so silly.
They would just get barbecued and watch these ancient alien hypotheses.
That might have been where I saw it.
But the idea of a Stargate, because that was like an ancient civilization where Iraq is, where Saddam Hussein was controlling, that was ancient Sumer.
That was like one of the first civilizations ever, one of the first examples that we know of written writing.
It's like that was a crazy empire, man.
Weird, bizarre structures and incredible fucking artwork.
Like, really, why?
And it came out of nowhere.
It's like an instantaneous civilization.
Really interesting.
But if there was a Stargate there, I mean, imagine that's why they're doing it in the Middle East.
Why is he doing it in the Middle East?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
Why is he making Stargate in the Middle East?
luis j gomez
Abu Dhabi's fun.
joe rogan
Imagine if Jesus returns through Sam Altman's portal Jesus Christ himself.
Jesus is real.
And Jesus is going to be floating with the robe on, the sandals, like right through Sam Altman's portal.
unidentified
Wow.
Whoa.
joe rogan
Samuel Jackson's a scientist.
Like, God damn it.
Everybody's freaking out.
It'd be a great movie.
luis j gomez
It would be.
When are they going to do a cool movie about the future of AI?
That's got to be on the horizon, right?
Like, really about the dark side of what's going to happen.
joe rogan
I think it's too late.
I think by the time you make it, AI won't let you release it.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
It's over.
Black Mirror did a pretty good job.
luis j gomez
Black Mirror, I can't watch.
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luis j gomez
It freaks me out so much.
Every time I watch a Black Mirror episode, I walk away feeling like I was just sexually assaulted.
joe rogan
How about the one where that dog is chasing that lady, the robot dog?
luis j gomez
I've only watched like four or five episodes.
joe rogan
What is that one called?
Heavy Metal?
jamie vernon
Yeah, but I mean, if you watch them all, did you know that they'd have.
Most of those plots are all kind of converging in our reality.
luis j gomez
Yeah, and they're based in reality.
They have a kernel of truth, and then it turns into.
I watched the one where it was like you got blocked out.
Your face got blocked out.
People couldn't see you anymore.
Like once your social credit score got low enough.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, I remember that one.
luis j gomez
Freaky, dude.
joe rogan
It is freaky.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
It is freaky.
There was one where they recorded all memories.
And so you could go into someone else's memory and you could record.
There was the one where the.
What was it called?
unidentified
Crocodile.
joe rogan
That was the episode.
Oh my God.
I don't want to say what happens because it's a twist, but it's so dark and it's based on that.
It's based on reading people's memories.
luis j gomez
I don't like watching dark shit.
I like happy.
joe rogan
It's not a good one before bed.
luis j gomez
Fun shit.
No, dude, you go to bed like, what the fuck's going on, dude?
joe rogan
I get my worst anxiety about the future of the world at night for whatever reason.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The worst fears of what's going on in the world always come out at night.
luis j gomez
Yeah, it's because it's the end of the day.
You've got to offload all of the bullshit you read all day and saw online all day.
And you're like, fuck.
And then you have a moment to reflect.
You're not looking at your phone.
You're like, fuck.
joe rogan
Also, no one else is awake.
That's my problem.
And so I don't have to think about anybody else.
I just think about my, I'm just in my own head.
And then you're inevitably just dealing with the truth of the world.
luis j gomez
You stay up late?
joe rogan
Sometimes.
I'm trying not to.
luis j gomez
I'm in bed by 10 o'clock every night.
unidentified
Are you really?
luis j gomez
Unless I do late shows.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Good for you.
luis j gomez
I'm up by six in bed by 10.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
My problem is that's when I do my writing, and it's also when everyone's asleep, and I think I can get the most like thinking done.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
luis j gomez
That's what's nice when you leave your son's mother.
You don't have a family to bother you.
joe rogan
But if I do do shows, like I've done shows on like a couple hour sleep, I come in and do a podcast, and I'm a moron.
I can't remember anything.
It's like my brain is working at like 40%.
But like last night, I got solid sleep.
I got a solid eight hour sleep.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So it's way better for me.
luis j gomez
Once I stop smoking weed, the first few days are rough to get to sleep.
Like, I got to take, like, you know, just some melatonin or some.
unidentified
Does that work for you?
luis j gomez
No, not melatonin.
I take, what's the other one?
I take, like, it's like a chick's fucking thing.
unidentified
Ambient.
luis j gomez
Powder.
No, no, it's not a drug.
unidentified
Is it a little heroin?
luis j gomez
No, it's a natural thing.
Oh, that's fucked.
What'd you say?
jamie vernon
Magnesium?
luis j gomez
Magnesium.
There's a product called Magnesiome, which is like, it's just like a pink powder that, like, A hot chick told me about, and I fucking love it, dude.
And I literally put it in some sleepy time tea and I mix it up with some valerian root and I just drink that.
That puts me right out.
But when you stop smoking weed, I don't know how often you stop smoking weed, Joe.
Your dreams get crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, I know.
luis j gomez
They get fucking wild.
joe rogan
Super vivid.
luis j gomez
Yeah, very vivid.
joe rogan
Strange, right?
luis j gomez
Yeah.
First time I ever lucid dreamed in my entire life was when I stopped smoking weed.
It was last year.
I've never been able to control my dreams ever.
joe rogan
How many times did you do it?
luis j gomez
I've only lucid dreamt twice.
Um, the first time I had stopped smoking weed, I was having really vivid dreams.
I was backstage at a big, like, theater, like, huge theater, right?
Like, massive, like, almost like a stadium sized theater.
And uh, Jeremy Piven was about to go on stage.
I don't know Jeremy Piven, but I was like, Oh, Jeremy Piven, let's go to Entourage.
And he was a dick to me in the dream.
He was like, He was like, I don't know.
He ignored me, and I was like, What the fuck?
And then I looked over, and Greg Geraldo was standing next to me.
joe rogan
Oh, then he knew it was a dream.
luis j gomez
Greg Geraldo was seven feet tall in the dream, he was a giant.
And I was like, What the fuck's up with Jeremy Piven?
And then he was like, I don't know.
And I was like, Wait a minute, I was like, Greg Geraldo's dead.
And then I was like, oh, I'm fucking dreaming.
unidentified
Wow.
luis j gomez
And then I literally just started running and I said, I'm going to fly.
And I just jumped.
Dude, it was the coolest thing I've ever done.
I jumped up, it was nighttime.
I was outside now, flew into the sky.
And I kept on going up and I couldn't come down.
I was starting to be over water and I was like, I'm up in the clouds.
So to go back down, I would have to turn on my back and free fall, like just like that.
And then I turned back over and I'd hit a fucking thing and I'd start going back up.
Maybe 10, 15 minutes of just flying around the sky over the ocean.
Coolest thing ever.
Coolest thing ever.
And then another time, a similar thing happened.
Like, I realized I was dreaming and I was like, I'm going to fly.
And I started running and I jumped and nothing happened.
I was like, why can't I fly?
I'm dreaming.
And then I woke up.
joe rogan
So, it was one of the best experiences you've ever had, right?
unidentified
Maybe.
luis j gomez
I literally flying and feeling like it was real was one of the coolest things I've ever done.
joe rogan
But have you ever tried to lucid dream on purpose?
luis j gomez
I've tried to do the techniques where they say, like, knock, like, am I dreaming?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Like, that's one of the techniques.
I've done that once and it worked.
unidentified
It worked.
joe rogan
I was like, oh my God.
luis j gomez
All day you were just knocking?
joe rogan
Yeah, I did it like every time I go through a door, I'd go, am I dreaming?
I did it for like only a few days and then it worked.
Lucid dreaming worked.
unidentified
Yeah.
So cool.
joe rogan
Yeah, but there's real techniques that I have not looked into and I'm always wondering why.
Because I'm always like, I think it would be really cool to just be able to lucid dream.
luis j gomez
If half your life you can do whatever you want to do, you can do magic.
joe rogan
But meanwhile, I put zero effort into it.
I'm confused.
I'm like, why?
Why don't I try to do that?
But I have no desire to.
luis j gomez
There should be a class on it.
There should be like a class where you can learn how to lucid dream.
joe rogan
My fear is that I would like it so much that I would think only about going to sleep and wanting to lucid dream rather than live my normal life.
So it'd probably fuck my normal life up.
unidentified
Maybe.
joe rogan
Right, because if you sleep eight hours a night, like if most of the day kind of sucks for you, but for eight hours you can have boundless energy because you're not moving and you're not even conscious.
You're out there flying, breathing underwater, having sex with mermaids.
luis j gomez
Yeah, getting blowjobs by Angelina Jolie in her prime.
joe rogan
Being Iron Man, whatever.
Whatever you want.
Wouldn't you do that and just like work at the Amazon factory all day?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just work to get your money so you can go to sleep and become a superhero?
luis j gomez
All you need is a comfortable bed.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
It's a better life.
joe rogan
That's the problem with The Matrix.
Remember that movie?
unidentified
You know what's funny?
joe rogan
With the dude with the steak.
unidentified
Never saw it.
joe rogan
You never saw The Matrix?
luis j gomez
Never saw The Matrix.
Really?
To this day.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
There's a scene where this one dude, Joey Pants, he's a famous actor, he's been in a bunch of movies.
He turns on people in The Matrix and he starts working for the man, spoiler alert.
But one of the things that he says, like when he's having this meeting with this agent in The Matrix, He said, I want to be an important person.
unidentified
I want to be famous.
joe rogan
He's like cutting up his steak and he's eating a steak in the Matrix.
Meanwhile, the outside world is just complete total dystopia.
Everyone's head's connected to a pipe that's just like you're a human battery keeping the Matrix alive.
luis j gomez
Oh, yeah, that's the future.
unidentified
That's coming.
luis j gomez
That's coming.
Yeah, we're just fat, just fucking meatbags with like just being fed ideas, right?
Wasn't that Wally?
I never saw Wally either.
I got to watch it with my kid.
Apparently, it's one of the coolest movies ever.
joe rogan
It's a fun movie.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
luis j gomez
You know, same thing.
Total Recall was a similar concept, right?
There's a great Instagram follow.
This guy makes such cool little mini movies with AI.
It's all AI.
It's called Gossip Goblin.
I don't know if you've seen this guy's channel, dude.
joe rogan
I think I have.
I might follow that guy.
I think I've definitely seen.
Let me see some of that.
luis j gomez
And he does, like, essentially, he takes, like, sort of like the kernel of, like, whatever it is, and then he puts together these dystopian little mini films where it's, like, the future.
And a lot of it is plugging into, like, this alternate reality and then, like, living a whole lifetime in just a couple seconds.
joe rogan
Can I listen to some of this?
unidentified
Ow!
Felt real enough, didn't it?
That's exactly what a simulation would do.
Give you perfect pain so you never question it.
Or maybe you've just got nerve endings, eh?
Your spools simulate whole worlds, yeah?
Mm hmm.
They can sim whole lives.
So if your little workshop can host a billion fake worlds, how many layers deep does it go?
It's all just simulations inside simulations inside simulations.
And we're just sat here in one of them thinking we're the original.
Sure, why not?
I want to see it.
Whatever's underneath this.
Just show it to me, show it to me, show it to me, show it to me.
Coming right up.
A fish swims its whole life in a bowl, convinced the water is all there is.
It doesn't see the glass that holds it, nor does it notice the room beyond it, or the city beyond that.
It never wonders about the planet or the galaxy or the vast cosmos beyond.
For all the worlds within worlds within worlds, the fish does not care to know.
And it can't know.
All it can do is swim.
joe rogan
Holy shit!
That's amazing.
luis j gomez
Dude, I've watched all of his videos.
This guy's so good.
He just did like a longer, I want to say feature, like for this.
It was like maybe 15, 20 minutes on YouTube.
He did like a longer one.
Dude, he's awesome, dude.
joe rogan
It's just so incredible.
luis j gomez
And this isn't just like putting a prompt in.
He has editors, he has voiceover guys, and then he manipulates like five different AI programs in order to make these movies.
It's really cool.
Yeah, the patch, right?
joe rogan
It's just incredible how good it is now.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so quickly.
Like, look how good this is in comparison to something that just was out a year ago or two years ago.
There's never been anything that's been a leap like this before.
luis j gomez
Yeah, the way they're going to make films in the future.
joe rogan
Well, the people that are going to be able to make films.
You know what I mean?
Like, people, like we were talking about how the government's really bad at making censoring television and it cripples the television because of that.
Well, you could see a similar problem with having to go through a fucking gigantic.
Film production company to make a movie.
Like the money, the investors, people having their say.
luis j gomez
Everyone's got to get paid.
joe rogan
Not just that, but everyone has their say.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Like you can't just have an original idea that's completely from one fucking crazy person.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But with this, you can.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
With this, you could just have one crazy guy who's got these wild ideas in his head, but never could get anybody to finance them before.
You don't even need to anymore.
You don't need actors.
You don't need any of that anymore.
luis j gomez
And it's going to happen so exponentially.
Over the next two, three years, there's a great, They show you, there's a video that shows you the advancement of AI over the past few years.
And I guess the AI video, they did Will Smith eating spaghetti, like one from, it was like five years ago.
And he's all fucked up.
joe rogan
It's like, oh, yeah, yeah, I saw that.
luis j gomez
And they'd keep on recreating that with new AI.
And the newest one is just like, it's Will Smith eating spaghetti.
unidentified
It's a movie.
luis j gomez
And he's sitting at a table and he's just talking to this dude.
And he's just, it looks like the most realistic thing you'll ever see.
joe rogan
And then eventually you're going to be in the room with Will.
You're going to put on the helmet and you'll be in a room with Will.
luis j gomez
And then he's going to blow me.
joe rogan
That's what I was going to say.
luis j gomez
Get sucked off by Will Smith.
joe rogan
Imagine that's what you do all day.
That's all I want to do.
All I want to do is get head from famous 90s sitcom stars.
luis j gomez
So fun, dude.
David Faustino from Married with Children.
joe rogan
Danny DeVito.
luis j gomez
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
Danny DeVito.
Al Bundy sucks your dick.
unidentified
Yep.
luis j gomez
Yep.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
It'd be great.
joe rogan
Sucks your dick and then shits in his pants when you come.
luis j gomez
Yep.
joe rogan
That's what you're into.
It's weird.
Then you get to ride a dragon home.
You hop on a dragon, you fly home with Daenerys Targaryen.
unidentified
That's it.
joe rogan
Like, we're about To enter a world within our lifetime that is indiscernible from what we're really living in right now.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which makes you think, like, which one's real?
Like, when you're in that dream and you know you're dreaming and you're flying, I bet it feels pretty real.
unidentified
Right?
luis j gomez
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Right.
That's the problem.
Yeah.
luis j gomez
I mean, what is that?
It'll eventually, it's just going to be, I mean, it's really just a theme in so many sci fi movies, too.
There was also, maybe the most, nobody talks about this fucking movie, but it's so good.
joe rogan
What I'm saying is, maybe when you're dreaming, maybe that's just a different level of the simulation that you can kind of have input to.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Maybe the parameters of the natural simulation is more rigid.
unidentified
Rigid.
joe rogan
Like you put in the work, you made that gas digital, you put in all those hours, you're starting to make money, doing great.
Long process, all this fucking complicated stuff you had to do, figure out things about yourself, get to where you are today in 2026.
And that one, it's like, I want to fly.
unidentified
That's it.
joe rogan
You know, like it might be just a different level of the simulation that we don't.
We don't really put a lot of attention to because we're only there eight hours a day.
So very few people become masters of it.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
That'd be cool, though.
unidentified
It might be real.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
That might be what's going on.
luis j gomez
Maybe.
I mean, the idea if this was all a simulation and we're AI, like we're having a conversation, we just don't know.
Like that idea is so fucking dark and weird.
joe rogan
And also, maybe all the booze and all the fucking drugs and all the sleeping pills, that just fucks you up in that.
Next dimension.
So when you are in dream sleep, you're like, oh no, what did he do?
You're just snoring and hungover.
You did coke, your fucking nose is bleeding.
And the dream you is like, goddammit, I wanted to fly.
But you can't even, you can't even do anything.
You just sleep.
You just sleep.
You just shut off and you rob yourself of that other dimension.
luis j gomez
Just wasting away.
joe rogan
But I wonder if there's like a culture where everyone learns at a young age how to lucid dream.
Some Tibetan culture living in the mountains somewhere.
Oh, just tapping into the dream world, trying to figure out how to control it while they sleep.
luis j gomez
It should be more popular.
And then you sometimes talk to some chick and she's like, Yeah, I lucid dream every night.
I'm like, Right, come on, really?
joe rogan
Yep, she's on 18 medications.
She's also bipolar and she thinks she's a witch.
There's always going to be people that are bullshitting you, but there's got to be a bunch of people that are really good at lucid dreaming.
Yeah, because it's a thing.
Like people know how to do it.
There's got to be like a guy who's like the guru.
Like the lucid dream guru.
luis j gomez
I bet there is.
I bet there's courses, there's stuff online.
Wasn't there a movie back in the day, Waking Life, that Alex Jones was in?
joe rogan
Alex Jones was in that.
luis j gomez
I saw that on acid by myself when it came out in the movie theater.
And I was blown the fuck away by this movie.
joe rogan
What was he ranting about at the end?
Do you remember?
luis j gomez
I don't remember.
He was just ranting on a call over a microphone.
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unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I wonder if his rant is relevant today.
We haven't listened to it in a while, but I bet if you listen to his rant.
alex jones
with enemy propaganda rolling across the picket line.
Lay down, GI.
joe rogan
Lay down, GI.
alex jones
We saw it all through the 20th century.
And now in the 21st century, it's time to stand up and realize that we should not allow ourselves to be crammed into this rat maze.
We should not submit to dehumanization.
I don't know about you, but I'm concerned with what's happening in this world.
I'm concerned with the structure.
I'm concerned with the systems of control.
Those that control my life and those that seek to control it even more.
I want freedom.
That's what I want.
And that's what you should want.
It's up to each and every one of us to turn loose of just some of the greed, the hatred, the envy, and yes, the insecurities, because that is the central mode of control.
Make us feel pathetic, small, so we'll willingly give up our sovereignty, our liberty, our destiny.
We have got to realize that we're being conditioned on a mass scale.
Start challenging this corporate slave state.
The 21st century is going to be a new century.
Not the century of slavery, not the century of lies and issues with no significance, and classism and statism, and all the rest of the modes of control.
It's going to be the age of humankind standing up for something pure and something right.
What a bunch of garbage, liberal, democrat, conservative, republican.
It's all there to control you.
Two sides of the same coin.
Two management teams.
Getting for control, the CEO job of slavery incorporated.
The truth is out there in front of you, but they lay out this buffet of lies.
I'm sick of it, and I'm not going to take a bite out of it.
Do you got me?
unidentified
I got you.
luis j gomez
I'm pumped on this right now.
joe rogan
That sounds like Antifa.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
That doesn't sound right wing at all.
luis j gomez
It doesn't sound like a right winger at all.
unidentified
At all.
joe rogan
I mean, everything he's saying is true.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what it's not.
It's like he's all red in the face now.
luis j gomez
This movie Richard Linklater, right, made this?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
This was a fun movie.
That's like the 90s, right?
Was it 90s?
luis j gomez
No, no, no, because I was already doing drugs.
joe rogan
No, it had to be 2000s.
luis j gomez
If I had a guess, 2002.
jamie vernon
2001?
joe rogan
Doesn't it?
jamie vernon
October 2001?
joe rogan
Nice.
luis j gomez
I only started smoking weed when I was 17, and then I started experimenting with hallucinogens in those first few years of college.
Just taking acid by yourself, watching that movie, being like blown away.
The animation was so cool, it was just shaky.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So you saw that thing that I had to do at the White House the other day?
luis j gomez
I did see it.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
Yeah, yeah.
People are pissed.
joe rogan
Who's pissed?
luis j gomez
I don't know.
unidentified
People online.
joe rogan
What, because I was at the White House?
luis j gomez
Yeah, they're like, yo, Joe, you can't be at the fucking White House, Joe.
You said you were fucking politically homeless.
joe rogan
I am.
He joked about it.
He called me a liberal during the whole thing.
He's like, Joe, he's very liberal.
luis j gomez
What?
Oh, I saw another.
unidentified
What did he.
luis j gomez
The other thing, the big conspiracy theory is that Trump is mad at you and he came up to the UFC and he was talking shit to you?
joe rogan
No, the opposite.
luis j gomez
That video came out and it was like, look, Trump's fucking Joe Rogan getting embarrassed by Trump at the fucking UFC event.
joe rogan
It was literally the opposite.
I texted him on Friday about Ibogaine.
And I was telling them how there's.
luis j gomez
That's a hallucinogen?
joe rogan
This is the one the vets use.
So they've had to go to Mexico to get this.
So I've had these two different podcasts with Brian Hubbard and Rick Perry.
Rick Perry was the governor of Texas.
And they talked about Ibogaine.
And Brian Hubbard was relaying his story about how Ibogaine saved him from addiction and fixed his brain.
And then they had all these other stories of all these other veterans and all these different people that had PTSD and opiate addiction.
I know a lot of people who've gone down there to do it.
First, I found out about it from my friend Ed Clay, who runs a CPI.
He's one of the guys that runs the Cellular Performance Institute in Tijuana that the UFC uses for stem cells.
He had a pill problem and he went down there and did it and then opened up his own retreat down there because it was so potent, because it worked so well.
There are so many people.
luis j gomez
What is the compound, though?
joe rogan
It's called Ibogaine.
luis j gomez
Synthetic, like acid?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
It's from a plant, it's from the aboga tree.
And this one thing that they do is not recreational.
It's very, it's supposed to be a horrible experience.
You shit yourself, you throw up, and you have this like very weird experience where it goes over your entire life and shows you like in every detail why you're like this and why you do this and what you're.
luis j gomez
Sounds terrible.
joe rogan
It also shuts off withdrawals and addiction on a lot of people.
It's like really effective.
Really?
But for a lot of these guys with PTSD, it was the only thing that fucking helped them.
And for the longest time, they've had to go to Mexico or to other countries and it's really expensive.
So they formed the Texas Ibogaine Initiative.
And is it Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick?
Is that what his title is?
So, he dedicated $100 million to it.
And so now they're going to start doing it with people like soldiers and police officers and different people with PTSD and just people with just general depression and all sorts of addictions, not just like opiates, but alcohol, gambling, all sorts of shit.
And I told them about it.
Have you ever done it?
No.
No, but I had these guys on the podcast and I know so many people that have done it, particularly soldiers that have done it and people with opiate, like my friend Ed.
And I said, I told him about it.
I said how effective it is, and I said, you know, and it's been held up for so long.
And he said, What are you looking for?
You're looking for FDA approval?
He goes, It sounds good to me.
He said, Let's do it.
And so, literally, he sees me at the UFC the next day, shakes my hand, and says, It's done.
luis j gomez
Wow.
joe rogan
That's what he was saying.
luis j gomez
That's so funny.
joe rogan
I was like, I said, Thank you, sir.
It wasn't like he was mad at me at all.
luis j gomez
People jump on these like conclusions, like, Well, that's okay.
joe rogan
You know, you're allowed to.
But this is the truth.
That's exactly what happened.
He came to me and he said, It's done.
We're going to take care of it.
This is a good thing.
It's a good thing for the soldiers.
It's a good thing for everybody.
And then he had the press conference the next week.
luis j gomez
But why would anybody be?
It's so funny.
So, like, how they just choose to be against things, even good things.
Like, that's it's unquestionably a really good thing, right?
joe rogan
That one is a really good thing for everybody because addiction is a huge problem, and Ibogaine is one of the most effective treatments for addiction that they've ever found.
Another one that's really good for addiction is psilocybin.
They're going to study that as well and hopefully fast track that as well.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's part of this bill.
This bill is all about this executive order.
This executive order is all about psychedelic treatments for people with depression.
Mental health disorders.
It's all to reclassify this stuff.
This is one of the things that I said, and this is why it was important for me to not just be there but to say this that these drugs are not illegal because they're harmful.
Alcohol is harmful, it's legal.
Oxycodone is harmful, it's legal.
They're illegal because of the 1970s Controlled Substances Act.
This is by the Nixon administration.
They wanted to silence the anti war people and the civil rights people.
That's it.
They said, What are these people doing?
Well, they're doing acid, they're taking mushrooms, they're doing this, they're doing that.
All that shit is illegal as fuck.
Make it the most illegal.
So they put it all in a schedule one.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which means it has no medicinal benefit.
And I was telling them, I'm like, it has benefit.
And not only does it have benefit, it could save lives.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
I get terrified of psychedelics at this point.
I used to love them, but I just, I mean, every time, if I take mushrooms, acid, doesn't matter what it is, there will be an hour where I'm crying, talking to God, and thinking about my mother.
unidentified
Every time.
joe rogan
Maybe that's what you need in your life.
unidentified
Maybe.
luis j gomez
I don't know, dude.
Sometimes I can just push it down and.
joe rogan
I think it should be regulated in the sense that I think we should understand it better, make sure it's pure, and make sure that it's administered by people who know what they're doing.
And that's what they're doing at places like Beyond, which is in Mexico.
People are going down there and having these Ibogaine sessions.
But they're also doing it where they're strapped up to heart monitors.
They're very careful.
You can't do it if you have a bad heart because apparently it's really rough.
Apparently it's not fun at all.
Again, I haven't done it.
But the people that I know that have done it, it's rescued them.
luis j gomez
Dude, let's microdose them, my baguette.
joe rogan
I don't think you can microdose.
I think you gotta go.
I think you gotta meet the devil, cocksucker.
Like Joey Diaz always says, what the fuck are you doing with that microdose?
I'm trying to meet the devil.
luis j gomez
Yeah, when I was younger, I was like, dude, I would love to go on a peyote retreat.
But you hear the same thing.
It's like you vomit and you spend fucking.
You have to have a special shaman walk you through it and guide it, and they pat your head with a wet towel.
joe rogan
Peyote is mescaline.
And I had a buddy of mine who did mescaline in New York City.
He said he could hear people talking.
In another building.
He was watching them through the window.
They were far away, and he could hear them talking in his head.
I was like, what the fuck?
luis j gomez
I bet you he couldn't hear what they were saying.
I bet you he was making up their words.
joe rogan
I think he tapped in.
I think he tapped in to the quantum field.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he was inside their head.
Like the alien technology, just instantaneous transport.
It doesn't have to go through sound.
unidentified
That's it.
joe rogan
You can just pick up on the frequency of their thoughts.
luis j gomez
Yeah, all drugs would be legal.
unidentified
Whatever.
luis j gomez
It's your body.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
If alcohol is legal, and I think it should be, it was one of the worst ones for you.
If that shit's legal, how many people every day.
luis j gomez
The president of Columbia was like, He was like, alcohol is worse than cocaine.
It was a quote 100 plus years ago.
unidentified
I didn't say that.
luis j gomez
Oh, no, it was Hunter Biden.
joe rogan
It was Hunter Biden.
luis j gomez
I think it's actually true.
joe rogan
I think it is true.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think actual real cocaine, in terms of like the actual, like from the coca, the disco shit.
I'll tell you what's definitely better for you is coca leaves.
Those people that live in like the Alps.
Oh, and they just chew on coca leaves.
That's like in like high mountainous areas, high altitude herders.
They chew coca leaves.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They love that shit.
unidentified
I'm sure.
joe rogan
It's supposed to be really good.
It's supposed to be like great coffee.
unidentified
Yeah.
For real.
joe rogan
It's not supposed to be like drunk Coke.
It's supposed to be like you feel energized and stimulated.
And it's not bad for you, but it fucks your teeth up.
luis j gomez
Oh, I'm sure.
joe rogan
You get these dudes with these rotten cocaine chew teeth.
Have you ever seen it?
No, I haven't.
Find me some Coca Leaf teeth pictures.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
Ask perplexity about this condition and why.
Why do people get Coca Leaf tea face?
Because it does.
It rots your teeth away, it looks like.
unidentified
Yeah, sure.
joe rogan
But that should be legal too.
Just brush your fucking teeth.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Maybe not, though.
Maybe it eats your teeth.
Because you got to think about if you can make cocaine out of it, what kind of acid stuff is in that leaves?
luis j gomez
I don't know.
It is just a leaf, right?
jamie vernon
Something else is coming up.
unidentified
Oh!
jamie vernon
It's betel nuts or something.
luis j gomez
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Betel nuts?
What is a betel nut?
So it doesn't fuck them up from coca leaves?
Oh, even better.
Bolivia legalizes chewing it.
Click on that link.
NBC News to the right of that.
unidentified
Ew.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Bolivia.
Legalizes chewing and ingesting coca leaves.
Bolivia wins.
They're ahead of us.
They win.
The real problem with it is fentanyl and the fact that you have to get it from a fucking Coke dealer.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Those are the real problems.
luis j gomez
Having to talk to a Coke dealer is actually the worst part of the entire process.
joe rogan
Pope plans to chew coca leaves during Bolivia visit.
Jesus Christ, the Pope's dead now.
They killed him because he wanted to chew the coca leaves.
That's a 2015 article.
That's wild, dude.
ADHD And Boring Tasks 00:04:28
joe rogan
Because it is weird that.
I mean, is cocaine worse than alcohol?
Because if it's not, why is alcohol the one that's legal?
jamie vernon
He says he specifically requested to chew it.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
What a freak.
unidentified
Yeah.
It's a.
joe rogan
Donkey Trussell has a great joke about Adderall.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
He goes, Adderall is like someone did cocaine and went, I can fix this.
unidentified
That's a great joke.
joe rogan
I think, I mean, I've never done Adderall either for the same reason that I've never done Coke.
unidentified
Like, fuck.
joe rogan
It just seems too good.
Seems like it gets you too jazzed up.
luis j gomez
I mean, I had like debilitating, I still have debilitating ADHD.
I haven't done Adderall in.
What does that mean, though?
So, I get anxiety if I look at my mail on my kitchen counter.
Right now, there's a pile this high of mail.
If I look at it, I feel like a.
joe rogan
Because you're not doing the work.
You're not going through your mail.
luis j gomez
It's just a crippling depression, it feels like.
Like, if I do my taxes, I have a business manager that does all this shit, but when I had to do it myself, it would cripple me.
I would feel like I've had depression issues back in the day.
It felt like depression.
I feel like I want to lie down.
Literally, when I just look at the mail on my counter, they call it ADHD paralysis.
Where there's things that you don't like to do and the tedious little tasks, it feels like school work was really bad for me.
It was really, really hard.
joe rogan
But on the flip side, if there's something that you really love, do you have a lot of attention to it, a lot of energy?
luis j gomez
I dive in to, like, I obsess over it.
So, like, I love the things that I do.
I love work.
Like, I really love what I do for a living.
I do a bunch of things, really.
But, like, I love work.
I love getting on business meetings.
I love taking a phone call.
I love, you know, I love writing jokes.
I love going on the road.
I like, So, the things that I love to do, I dive completely into and I just sort of.
joe rogan
See, that's where it's stupid to me that that's a disease.
Right.
That seems like you're allergic to boring shit.
I don't think that's a disease.
I think modern society has got people convinced that's a disease.
luis j gomez
I think that there are, yes, I think most people don't want to fold their laundry.
I think most people don't want to do their taxes or go through their mail.
unidentified
Most.
luis j gomez
But for me, it hits me in a way where, like, I feel a physical, like, recoil.
Like, I genuinely, like.
joe rogan
You're allergic to boring shit.
luis j gomez
I'm allergic to boring shit.
joe rogan
I don't think it's a bad thing at all.
I think they got you tricked.
They've got all of us tricked.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Everybody that I know, me included, that probably has ADHD, or if I think I can go to a doctor, they'd figure out you're going to be a doctor.
unidentified
Would have been right.
joe rogan
There's something wrong with me.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They'd say there's something wrong with you.
You could have got on pills when you were a kid and it would have ruined all of it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It would have fucked up that weird gift that you have where you can lock in.
So, what's the flip side of that weird gift?
unidentified
The other thing doesn't seem important.
luis j gomez
Right.
joe rogan
Other shit is boring, but you have way more energy for the thing that's exciting.
luis j gomez
It's a great point.
joe rogan
It's a superpower, dude.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
It's a great point.
And I, by the way, I've said that specifically that my ADHD is a superpower in certain regards.
The fact that I could, Get so locked in on the things that I really, really want to do.
But I've never really considered the fact that, like, it's making me avoid doing the things that just are fucking tedious, whatever.
And by the way, I figured it out.
I still went down the path.
I'm 44 years old.
I get my shit done.
I still, the laundry gets folded, the taxes get done.
It's boring.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
But that's discipline.
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
That's all I was going to say.
The discipline part is like, some people can't.
unidentified
Right.
jamie vernon
Or, like, how does it get done?
luis j gomez
I mean, I was like a really bad student.
Like, I just skin in my teeth graduated.
joe rogan
I understand.
But the idea that this gift that you have is what doesn't get concentrated on.
The gift is you have an extraordinary amount of energy that you can devote to something you really love.
Most people wish they had that.
That's the gift.
The flip side of it, of course, the other things aren't even remotely interesting because you need to be stimulated in order to give something all of your attention.
Some people could just drone on and drone on and they don't have ADHD.
That doesn't.
That's not good.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
unidentified
I think ADHD is a good thing.
luis j gomez
It made growing up pretty tough.
Like, because you get called a bad kid.
unidentified
I didn't get good grades.
joe rogan
I'm a millionaire and I had bad grades when I was 12.
unidentified
You're right.
luis j gomez
You're not wrong.
unidentified
No.
luis j gomez
You're not wrong, John.
unidentified
I know I'm right.
You're right.
All right.
joe rogan
Let's wrap this bitch up.
I got to get out of here.
So, Gas Digital, what else tell everybody?
Congratulations On Success 00:00:55
luis j gomez
Skankfest.
joe rogan
Skankfest.
Oh, shit.
420, what a good time to sell.
Is it 421?
Are they on sale today or tomorrow?
luis j gomez
They're on sale today.
Yes, this comes out tomorrow.
So, yesterday they went on sale.
joe rogan
You should have done this podcast yesterday because those tickets go quick.
luis j gomez
They go fast.
So, the All Access Pass, if I had a guess, are pretty close to sold out, but you can still get single day ones.
joe rogan
Well, I bet the skankers already know.
What do you call your people?
luis j gomez
Skanks.
joe rogan
Skanks?
The skanks already know.
luis j gomez
Yeah, we got a big one.
joe rogan
That's amazing, dude.
Congratulations on all this because every comic always agrees that it is absolutely the best festival.
They fucking love it.
They love the vibe.
They love how much effort and time you guys put into it.
It's awesome, dude.
unidentified
Congratulations.
luis j gomez
Thank you very much.
I appreciate it.
Yeah, but it's going to be.
You should come one day, Joe.
joe rogan
I will come one day.
Skankfest.com.
luis j gomez
Skankfest.com.
And yeah, get those tickets.
Shane's going to be there.
Mark Norman, Derek Andre.
unidentified
Sounds great.
luis j gomez
Everybody.
I mean, 170 comics.
joe rogan
Everybody loves it.
unidentified
All right.
joe rogan
Thank you.
It was fun.
unidentified
Thank you.
All right.
Bye, everybody.
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