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March 20, 2026 - The Joe Rogan Experience
02:43:27
Joe Rogan Experience #2471 - Mark Normand

Mark Normand and Joe Rogan dissect the saturated comedy market, viral geopolitical chaos involving Netanyahu and Iran, and the toxicity of modern social media algorithms. They critique radical belief systems, diversity quotas in film, and the shift from pre-internet discourse to performative outrage, while contrasting traditional TV censorship with podcasting's unscripted freedom. Ultimately, the conversation highlights how polarization creates separate realities and argues that art must be judged on merit rather than forced representation or political correctness. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
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joe rogan
01:27:01
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mark normand
43:25
Appearances
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jamie vernon
01:31
Clips
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bari weiss
cbs 00:12
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benjamin netanyahu
isr 00:16
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erika kirk
tpusa 00:23
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Speaker Time Text
Don't Shoot Him 00:15:10
mark normand
Hey, Charlie Kirk.
joe rogan
No.
mark normand
Don't shoot him.
Dog's a Nazi.
All right.
joe rogan
He's going to sit right here and chill out.
What up, dog?
New Netflix special out now.
mark normand
You got that right, Fed.
joe rogan
Let's fucking go.
mark normand
None, too, please.
Check it out.
We just hit number five, so I'm trying to get to Uno.
joe rogan
Well, maybe this will do it.
mark normand
Hopefully.
joe rogan
Hopefully.
I'll put it up on my Instagram when the show runs.
mark normand
All right.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Everything helps.
joe rogan
It's a saturated market.
mark normand
I know.
There's 19 comedy specials a day now.
YouTube and Hulu and the other things.
4chan.
joe rogan
It's not just that.
There's like just you're competing with content.
You think about how many fucking shows there are now.
It's kind of nuts.
mark normand
I mean, forget shows.
There's shows.
There's TikToks.
There's reels.
There's shorts.
It never ends.
joe rogan
Never been a time where there's more things to watch and divide your attention.
mark normand
I know.
joe rogan
And then there's the war.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
There's the war.
joe rogan
There's so much to pay attention to.
mark normand
There's politics.
There's OnlyFans.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So much to pay attention to, buddy.
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
So much, Charlie.
mark normand
We'll just pretend that's Ari.
joe rogan
He's back.
mark normand
Well, you know, Ari always gets too high and an hour in, he just shuts up.
joe rogan
Don't fall off the table.
Hey.
mark normand
He looks like the Ayatollah now.
Have you seen him?
He's got the beard.
unidentified
I know.
Crazy.
mark normand
And he's gay.
joe rogan
He came to the club the other day.
He's gay now, too?
mark normand
Yeah, the Ayatollah.
joe rogan
Oh, the new Ayatollah.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is that real?
mark normand
That's what Trump said.
joe rogan
I think that's his real.
mark normand
He's never lied.
Oh.
joe rogan
I think they just try and fuck with the guy.
Because if you're gay in Iran, they just throw you off a building, right?
mark normand
He's going to have to throw himself off.
joe rogan
You know, that was like one of the first places or the number one place in the world for transgender surgeries.
mark normand
I heard that.
joe rogan
Because you couldn't be gay.
mark normand
So you'd rather be a woman.
joe rogan
You have to be a woman.
You got to get fucked in the ass.
mark normand
That's kind of progressive.
joe rogan
I can't get fucked in the ass.
Well, you can, I guess.
They don't check.
You get fucked in your fake cooter.
mark normand
Fake cooter.
That's like an Austin bar.
Fake cooter.
joe rogan
It probably will be.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
After this.
mark normand
Iran.
I mean, they've got to be terrified.
I don't know much about anything, but I would be scared to fight a country that is having a fist fight on the White House lawn.
That's how badass and crazy we are.
We're fighting at the president's house, each other.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mark normand
We're going to fuck you up.
joe rogan
I'm not thrilled about that.
mark normand
You're going to be there?
joe rogan
Yeah, I'll be there, but I'm not thrilled about it.
Doesn't seem like a wise idea.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It looks like they're targeting their fucking reporter.
mark normand
Whoa.
joe rogan
Hey, Charlie, come here, buddy.
mark normand
Oh, this dog's going to be a whole different show here.
joe rogan
No, he'll calm down.
He just has to relax.
He's never been with me alone before.
He's only been with my wife alone, but he loves me.
He slept with me last night.
He sleeps in the bed with my daughter, so he slept with me last night.
mark normand
Oh, boy.
joe rogan
You're a little bit.
mark normand
That's good.
We got diversity here.
It's a brown dog.
joe rogan
Yeah, they attacked that reporter, man.
mark normand
Crazy.
joe rogan
I mean, unless it was a wayward missile, which is like, what happened to precision strikes?
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I thought they were surgical.
Remember they would call them surgical?
mark normand
That's right.
joe rogan
Imagine calling a bomb that's going like 5,000 miles an hour surgical.
mark normand
I think they got old equipment over there.
They got Atari and shit.
They're way behind.
But we hit a school.
That was on us, I think.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
100%.
mark normand
Even in our other countries, we're shooting schools.
joe rogan
Well, the school was unfortunately on.
What is it?
mark normand
Whoa, is that the red?
Damn, that's quite a hit.
joe rogan
Whoa, that's nuts.
mark normand
Jesus Christ.
It looks like L.A.
joe rogan
It's crazy that you can capture it.
Like, how good are these cameras?
Meanwhile, they couldn't catch that plane flying into the Pentagon.
mark normand
That's true.
Right?
joe rogan
When you see that thing, that thing looks just like a missile, too.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
What do you think that was, that plane that hit the Pentagon?
It doesn't really look like a plane.
Why would they be shooting a missile into a place that's already been hit by missiles?
mark normand
And why is it in Russia?
jamie vernon
Oh, that's just a reporter.
joe rogan
Russia Today reporter.
mark normand
Oh, God, it got it.
Sorry.
joe rogan
Yeah, RT.
You know, that channel.
In Lebanon, oh, in Lebanon.
I wonder if they're going after press because they've gone after press before.
mark normand
Interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, they've been accused of shooting press in Gaza.
mark normand
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
Smart because they want to tell their own story.
They don't want you in there with your cameras.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What do you think about these Netanyahu AI videos?
mark normand
I haven't seen them.
joe rogan
You haven't seen them?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
They think he might be dead.
unidentified
What?
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a bunch of AI videos that Israel has released that are like clearly AI.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Show him the one where there's in the cafe.
This one's nuts.
Like this one, I would assume that some kid made.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just fucking around on his computer.
unidentified
All right.
joe rogan
Like I saw it.
I was like, there's no way they're really trying to pass this off as an actual video of Netanyahu at a cafe in the middle of the war.
Like everything is calm and peaceful.
jamie vernon
I couldn't talk with that one.
joe rogan
Yeah, this one.
Well, that's just a clip.
Show the actual.
mark normand
BB.
joe rogan
It's on the Israel website or the Israel Twitter page.
jamie vernon
Oh, really?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, they released it.
jamie vernon
I didn't know that.
mark normand
Holy moly.
It's dead.
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Well, his brother's dead.
His brother got killed in a missile strike.
mark normand
Recently?
unidentified
Yes.
mark normand
What?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
They struck his house.
Are you just not online?
unidentified
What's going on?
mark normand
I just watch funny shit and goof around.
joe rogan
Pour some of that.
Let's see.
mark normand
I got you, baby.
joe rogan
Let me go.
Come on.
Give me some.
mark normand
Oh, hey, I thought you quit the sauce.
joe rogan
Oh, no, I got back on.
unidentified
Hey!
mark normand
I thought you turned Muslim or something.
I didn't know what happened.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
I'm back.
mark normand
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
Alhamdulillah.
Pour me one.
mark normand
Easy, Zoran.
Bodega cat.
joe rogan
Cheers, sir.
mark normand
Cheers.
Hey, good to be back.
With Alvari's dead weight.
Holding us down.
joe rogan
I don't get drunk.
Oof, I might disobey this stuff, though.
But I have started drinking again.
I took like eight months off.
It was a good reset.
mark normand
I mean, you're so sure.
I'll take a week off and I'm like limitless.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, I realized that because of the club, I was just drinking too much.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
And I was just tired all the time.
Like, and I'd go to workout the next day.
I was like, God, I feel like shit.
Why am I doing this to myself?
And then I took eight months off.
Then I had a glass of wine with dinner.
I was like, ooh, I like it.
And then I had a margarita and I was like, ooh, I'm back.
mark normand
It's a great time.
joe rogan
This one.
So look at this.
This is AI.
mark normand
That's fake.
joe rogan
Well, people have zoomed in on the signs and stuff, and it's not even real writing.
And he's saying, look, I have five fingers.
We're joking around, you know, because there was an AI video before that people were criticizing because it looked like one of his fingers had grown an extra appendage.
Right.
I think that just looked like the crease of his hand, honestly, to me.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
This looks fake as fuck.
First of all, it's weird because he sips out of the cup, and yet the cup stays exactly the same level.
And no matter where he moves the cup around, it doesn't spill.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
Like there's a moment where he turns the cup like almost sideways.
It moves way too much for it to not spill at all.
mark normand
And why would he just be doing it?
It looks like an ad for this coffee shop.
He's hanging out at a coffee shop during the war.
joe rogan
And also, like, how's everybody so casual?
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
He didn't tip, though, so that's the Judaism is coming through.
But yeah, no, this is crazy.
joe rogan
Looks like AI.
Like, he looks like he's got a beauty filter on.
That doesn't look like a human being.
mark normand
Totally.
This is silly.
joe rogan
Let me hear what he's saying.
What is he saying?
Is it in Hebrew?
benjamin netanyahu
Look, everybody's happy to see him.
joe rogan
Can you imagine if you were in that coffee shop?
You're like, please leave.
Please leave before the bombs come.
Please leave before they target you.
They're trying to find that guy everywhere he fucking goes.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But the Saudi Arabia.
unidentified
Look at that.
mark normand
See, we got the Ayatollah in there, too.
joe rogan
They faked that one.
Look at that.
They're just showing you how easy it is.
jamie vernon
There's some really good AI platforms now to know what they would have that they're not showing is who knows.
mark normand
This is he's got, come on, he can't be dead.
joe rogan
He might be dead.
His brothers.
See, that's like, look at this.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like the coffee, look how turned it is.
It doesn't spill at all.
It just wiggles to the edge.
And then they've also shown that, like, on the register and in some of the signs, the writing's not real.
It's very, very fucking weird, man.
mark normand
Well, R.I.P. Drink one for Yahoo.
joe rogan
He hasn't been seen publicly in over a week.
So he might be gone.
mark normand
Yeah, there's a lot of crazy shit going on.
I can't give up with the hormoose.
I don't know what that's about.
joe rogan
It's completely closed now.
They even bombed, like, the Saudis had another way to move oil out into another direction across the Red Sea, I believe it is.
And the Iranians bombed that yesterday.
mark normand
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, it's getting hot, dude.
It's fucking scary.
jamie vernon
Speaking live as we in front of people.
mark normand
He's alive.
joe rogan
In front of people?
unidentified
I don't know.
jamie vernon
I just opened Twitter back up and this was there.
joe rogan
I wonder.
So if he is alive, I wonder why they would release that clearly AI video.
Because this looks like a normal human, right?
mark normand
Yeah, kind of.
joe rogan
This doesn't look...
benjamin netanyahu
They say that privately.
mark normand
It's a little glossy.
benjamin netanyahu
The woman owes a debt of deep indebtedness, deep indebtedness to President Trump for leading this effort to safeguard our future.
joe rogan
Yeah, but this guy's been trying to get war with Iran for decades, man.
mark normand
Yeah, oh, yeah.
He's loving that.
joe rogan
And if he's not, by the way, if he's not in war, he's not in office anymore.
Oh, and then he gets indicted.
He's in the middle of at least one case, one corruption case.
mark normand
Well, this is his Super Bowl.
He's in heaven.
joe rogan
So there's people in the audience, right?
So this is real.
jamie vernon
I mean, there's that.
This angle doesn't show them.
It's like a static angle, but you can hear people's voices, which, you know, if we're going to be.
joe rogan
Oh, they don't show the people.
jamie vernon
You could say that's fake.
joe rogan
I need to see the people.
I need to see somebody hug them.
mark normand
So, wait, why are you going to do it?
joe rogan
I need to see somebody jerk him off.
I want to know it's real.
mark normand
Let's see that no foreskin.
joe rogan
Can you imagine if they did show that?
They'd just show him just blasting like 12-foot arcs of rope.
Just fire hose of jizz to show how virile he is.
mark normand
Manashevitz.
No.
Why are you not looking forward to the White House fight?
joe rogan
Well, it's kind of a gimmick.
mark normand
Of course.
joe rogan
There's that.
And, you know, people are criticizing the card, but if it was any other card, it's a great card.
Just they're criticizing it because they said it was going to be the greatest card of all time.
And it's also, it's just going to be a security nightmare.
mark normand
That's true.
joe rogan
You're on the White House lawn.
Also, they're fighting outside.
What if it rains?
What if it's hot?
You're in the middle of June.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
June in D.C. can get pretty warm.
mark normand
Yep, yep.
joe rogan
That affects fighters.
We only did one outside fight that I was a part of, and that was in Abu Dhabi.
And it was a nightmare.
It was really hot, and there was bugs flying around.
They're size of fucking birds.
It was crazy.
mark normand
It's like stand-up.
You got to do it indoors.
joe rogan
100%.
mark normand
Outside is hell for standing.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's terrible.
Terrible.
mark normand
Most shows are bad outside.
Here's my idea.
We do White House fight, but we fight politicians.
unidentified
Huh?
mark normand
Get Bobert versus AOC?
Now that's a fight.
joe rogan
I like that.
mark normand
But I think RFK would win everything.
joe rogan
I think Jasmine Crockett whoops them all.
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
She's feisty.
She'd take a shoe off.
joe rogan
She pulls the wig off, stuffs it in your mouth.
mark normand
Black breathe.
Takes her earrings off.
I'm terrified.
joe rogan
Well, she's not a politician anymore.
She lost, right?
mark normand
Yeah, but she'll be around.
They never leave.
joe rogan
Maybe.
mark normand
They go forever, these guys.
joe rogan
Maybe.
mark normand
Bernie's still cooking.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he's a senator.
He's been a senator forever.
I mean, she's lost.
So who knows what's going to happen now?
mark normand
But Hillary's around.
What is she doing?
joe rogan
She's probably eating pussy.
unidentified
Ah.
joe rogan
You think?
mark normand
I hope.
I mean, she needs relief.
This guy.
This lady's.
I kind of like Hillary just because she's, you know, she got cheated on publicly with the Monica thing.
Now she's doing the Epstein's Island stuff.
She lost the presidential race, and she's still out there.
She's kind of a badass.
I would kill myself at this point.
joe rogan
Well, she's also got like a list of people that have mysteriously disappeared that are attached to her and Bill.
mark normand
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't know about that?
mark normand
No.
joe rogan
For real?
You don't know about the Clinton body count?
mark normand
I know Norm was on the view years ago when he said Clinton killed a guy.
joe rogan
Yeah, he said he killed a bunch of people, I think.
mark normand
That's where I get my information.
joe rogan
It's a good way to get it from the view.
Super solid, detailed information.
mark normand
But she's getting grilled by the Epstein people or about Epstein, and she's just going off.
And Bill's reminiscing.
joe rogan
Well, she walked, she stormed out because Lauren Bobert took a picture of her.
Oh.
And posted it online.
Like, that's it.
I'm leaving.
How are you allowed to leave?
mark normand
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
Because somebody took a picture.
Sit the fuck down.
You're not even in office anymore.
You're just a civilian.
Sit your fucking ass down and answer the questions.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, it's just an excuse to leave.
mark normand
But you got to head to Bill.
He's denying till he dies.
joe rogan
I did nothing.
I was only there for humanitarian purposes.
mark normand
We got photos and everything.
joe rogan
I was just getting massages and hugging nice people.
mark normand
Exactly.
joe rogan
Nothing untoward was done to me or anyone else that was there, as far as I know.
mark normand
Yeah, this is pretty good.
joe rogan
I didn't see that side of Jeffrey Epstein.
mark normand
You got to bring this back.
joe rogan
Hey.
mark normand
Look at this guy.
We got photo evidence.
joe rogan
That lady's smiling.
If she claims victim, I call her shit.
She looks like she's having a good time.
Also, that's a woman.
You know, that's what's true.
Once you're a woman, okay, you know, unless someone's holding a gun to your head.
If we're talking about children, we're talking about a different thing.
But there's a lot of these ladies that were grown women when they were doing this.
And the emails that were exchanged between Epstein and these women, like they were well aware of what's going on.
At least some of them were.
There was this Russian lady who was talking.
She was recruiting girls.
She was saying this one's a fat ass.
She needs to lose some weight.
She's trying to get these girls to work with Epstein.
mark normand
Right.
Who, just Lane?
joe rogan
No, it wasn't just Lane.
It was some other Russian lady.
mark normand
Oh, damn.
joe rogan
Like, some of these ladies, at least, were like, look, the real criticism, the real legitimate criticism is where there are underage girls involved.
Now, clearly they were in Epstein's past.
Epstein's Fat Ass Girls 00:15:36
joe rogan
He went to jail for it.
The whole Palm Beach thing with the underage masseuses.
But some of these are just ladies who did bad things.
They made bad decisions, and they probably wound up on that island for money.
mark normand
Yeah.
Okay.
A couple of horror moves.
joe rogan
Hey, where you going, buddy?
Charlie.
You snuck out, little fucker.
I'm a little worried about.
I was hoping.
He looked like he was totally calm, just sitting in that chair.
Oh, Jamie's got him now.
Bro, you're locked up.
Jamie's used to having a little dog.
He's like, oh, he's giving you kisses.
mark normand
Damn, not a Rogan fan, huh?
He doesn't like the pod.
He's bored.
joe rogan
No, he just doesn't know this environment.
I think he's a little weirded out.
And then he was out there with the mountain lion, stuffed mountain lions, gators, like in the werewolf.
He's like, what the fuck is this place?
He's never been here before.
mark normand
And there's weed smoke.
There's dogs.
joe rogan
I think he's a little weirded out.
mark normand
The cigars.
Right.
joe rogan
Everything.
Whiskey in here.
He probably smells that.
mark normand
Speaking of which, you got any of those Stogies?
joe rogan
Yeah, let's bust them out.
mark normand
I would love a Stogie.
joe rogan
Let's go.
mark normand
Hell yeah.
Boy, see, I can't keep up with all the news.
You know about Epstein, you know about Iran, you know about Israel, you know about Hillary.
This is.
joe rogan
I barely know.
I'm off social media.
I've been off social media for a while.
The only time I'm on is when someone sends me something funny.
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And I go and check it.
And then I find myself scrolling for like 30 seconds.
And I was stop.
mark normand
That's how they get.
joe rogan
Stop fucking scrolling.
mark normand
It's impossible.
He's so good at it.
joe rogan
These say Knuckle Sandwich.
Where did these come from?
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
Knuckle Sandwich is.
That can't be the same place.
Because there's a.
Isn't there a place?
There's Knuckle Sandwich, which is the sandwich truck in Austin, which is awesome.
mark normand
And Chris Brown's album.
Guy Fieri cigars.
joe rogan
Oh, these are Guy Fieri cigars.
All right, let's hope they're good.
mark normand
Did you see that Bachelorette who got kicked off for beating the shit out of her husband?
unidentified
Yo.
joe rogan
Yeah, for real?
mark normand
My wife's a big reality lady.
joe rogan
That's healthy.
mark normand
I know, right?
She loves it.
All of those 90-day fiats.
joe rogan
They love that shit.
mark normand
They love it.
That and true crime.
joe rogan
Yes, right?
Isn't it weird?
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I get the true crime because they don't really commit those kind of violent acts, so they probably need to understand the male mind.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
That makes sense to me.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
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Maybe I'm just stuck up.
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mark normand
Well, they say it's biological.
They're like, oh, I'm learning how to avoid these scary moments.
joe rogan
No, I get that because it is.
Like, my daughters, young daughters, they all love it.
Everyone loves it.
Their friends love it.
Yeah.
It's like the number one show with ladies.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Like, the number one podcast with ladies is True Crime.
mark normand
It's great.
joe rogan
You know what the number two show for ladies is?
What?
You're on it.
mark normand
Hey, get out of here.
Really?
joe rogan
Number one with black people, too.
unidentified
Holla.
Hey!
mark normand
Take that, Shay Shay.
joe rogan
Holla.
mark normand
All right.
joe rogan
Shout out to all my African-American friends.
mark normand
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
These are not bad.
Guy Fieri.
Let's go, guy.
mark normand
I love Guy.
joe rogan
He's a fun dude.
mark normand
Cool dude.
joe rogan
Got a bunch of yellow cars, though.
That's odd.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
mark normand
Not the best fashion sense.
You know, shirts with flames on it, frosted tips.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you're paying attention.
unidentified
That's true.
joe rogan
Like, if you want to be a chef and you want to be like a celebrity chef, you got to either be a great narrator and a great writer like Bourdain.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or you got to be like angry.
mark normand
Like Gordon Ramsey.
joe rogan
Gordon Ramsey.
mark normand
Yeah.
That's true.
But what happened to show?
When I was a kid, chefs were like fat guys with beards and now they all have they're jacked with tats.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, they're all they all look like artists because they are artists.
mark normand
I guess.
joe rogan
But it's I didn't really think of that until I watched Bourdain show.
And then I was like, oh, these guys are making temporary art.
mark normand
That's true.
Then you get to eat it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it is art.
mark normand
It is art.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
They're mixing oils.
There's a lot of chemistry.
But they kind of went the same path as porn stars.
Porn stars used to be like voluptuous and hairy, bush, and now they're all like, they're all like MMA fighters.
They're jacked and taking it in the ass.
It's wild.
They're all tatted up and pierced and shit.
joe rogan
One of the things that I've been watching a lot when the world is going completely crazy, I watch people making street food in other countries.
mark normand
Oh, that's true.
joe rogan
With no language, no talking.
It's all ASMR.
It's all them cooking.
mark normand
Oh, yeah, and no regulations either.
joe rogan
Bring them over here.
Bring them over here.
unidentified
Come on.
mark normand
They're not washing hands over there.
joe rogan
Char char.
Char char, have a seat.
mark normand
And they'll use roadkill or whatever.
Like, they don't, they don't give a shit.
joe rogan
No, they're they're they're using good food.
It was Afghanistan.
They were making roast chicken.
mark normand
Oh, come on.
joe rogan
Dude, I'm telling you.
I'll send it to Jamie and you'll watch it.
mark normand
All right.
unidentified
All right.
joe rogan
It's exciting.
mark normand
I mean, I ate halal trucks for 10 years when I was broke in New York.
They're great.
joe rogan
They are great.
mark normand
But I could be eating pigeon and children.
joe rogan
Not children, but definitely pigeon.
Probably pigeon's made it into your mouth a couple of times.
mark normand
All right.
joe rogan
Let me find these motherfuckers.
I watch so much, dude.
YouTube is my number one thing because it's off social media.
mark normand
I love it.
joe rogan
It's my number one thing for distraction.
mark normand
Whoa.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
This is exactly.
Jamie, you're the best.
This is it.
Most cheap food in Afghanistan.
This guy sets up, they cook all this stuff, and you watch.
I mean, it's like a 40-minute video or something.
How long is it?
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like a 40-minute video.
I watched the whole thing.
Just like at home, chilling after a long day's work, just watching people cook street food in Afghanistan.
It looks fucking delicious.
mark normand
Look at those spices.
My God.
joe rogan
Yeah, and they have meat in this stew pot, and they, well, it's like, you know, a big wok, it looks like.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they boil it up with all the salt and all these herbs and spices.
And then they got these roast chickens and they take these chickens and they stick them in spikes.
If you back up the video a little bit, it's earlier in the video.
You show they take these chickens and they just have this big flame in the middle.
And then they stick these chickens all around the flame.
mark normand
This is hell for a vegan.
jamie vernon
The shape of that.
Fun fact, I think, if this is true.
That's because they used to flip their shields upside down.
unidentified
Whoa.
jamie vernon
That's sort of like with the Genghis Khan stir-fried.
Oh, that's grilled.
mark normand
I love it.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
mark normand
Yeah, man.
Wouldn't it be great if the end is just a big drone strike?
joe rogan
Well, we don't bomb Afghanistan anymore.
We send them money.
mark normand
Oh, is that right?
joe rogan
Now we send the Taliban money.
Man, we send them a ton of money.
mark normand
We hook up everybody.
Ukraine.
joe rogan
Should go back to the chickens, though, if you back up.
mark normand
Oh, he's got a little brush.
joe rogan
No, you go.
Yeah, there it is.
So this is how he does it.
So they have this fire in the middle, and they just take these chickens on a stick and they just rotate them.
And they put them in the center.
They put the fire in the center and the chickens all around them and they rotate them.
I got so hungry.
I had to go in the kitchen and make myself food afterwards.
mark normand
This is a chicken holocaust.
joe rogan
Yeah, it looks good, right?
mark normand
Man, it does look amazing.
joe rogan
Oh, dude, it looks fucking delicious.
mark normand
I mean, you ever get the rotisserie chicken at the grocery store?
Oh, there's nothing better.
joe rogan
Pretty good.
mark normand
It's good.
You just eat it with knife and fork.
No, no, no, nothing.
joe rogan
That's a good thing to do when you just want to be completely distracted.
That's what I like.
I like watching people make tables.
mark normand
Yes.
joe rogan
Furniture and shit.
mark normand
That the horse hoof cleaning is great.
unidentified
I watch that too.
joe rogan
Ferriers.
mark normand
What is that?
Is that something in us, I think?
It ate to old times.
joe rogan
It must be.
mark normand
It must be.
joe rogan
Like, there's a nail in his hoof.
mark normand
Oh, get it out.
Get it out.
Get the gunk out.
joe rogan
Help the horse.
mark normand
Yeah, and the horse loves it.
That's a good one.
What else is good?
The pressure washing is kind of fun.
That's what I'm really high.
I take an edible.
I just watch a guy, he's just washing a wall and it just goes from black toast to cement.
jamie vernon
Yeah, 30 million views.
joe rogan
32 million.
mark normand
33 million views.
joe rogan
Okay, so what is that?
Why are we so interested in watching people clean up horse hooves?
mark normand
Well, I think part of it is it doesn't hurt the horse and it looks like it would.
So that's kind of fascinating because it's all what is that?
Like cartilage or it's all like fingernail stuff.
I guess so.
joe rogan
Giant fat fingernails.
mark normand
Wow.
joe rogan
That's what it's like.
I mean, that's what a horse hoof is.
And if they don't take care of the hooves, they get real weird and they look like Arab shoes where they curl up at the tips.
mark normand
Yeah, right, right.
joe rogan
Like that, like that.
mark normand
There it is.
joe rogan
So this must be somebody just like completely neglected that poor horse.
mark normand
But what did horses do in the uh they wear off from running around?
Oh, I see.
joe rogan
Yeah, just like a dog's fingernails.
Like you have to trim your dog's nails, unless the dogs run around outside a lot, and then you don't have to do anything.
mark normand
Got it.
joe rogan
Oh, the dogs don't have to be a little bit more.
mark normand
That's like rat teeth.
They never stop growing.
joe rogan
Rat teeth don't stop growing?
But beaver teeth don't, right?
mark normand
Oh, is that right?
I didn't know.
joe rogan
Oh, shearing sheets.
mark normand
Oh, this is good stuff.
Wow.
joe rogan
Isn't it amazing how many views?
How many views does that have?
jamie vernon
I guess.
joe rogan
Yeah, 23 million.
jamie vernon
100 million subscribers on the channel.
mark normand
I'm going to go 80 million.
joe rogan
3 million subscribers.
jamie vernon
3.7.
joe rogan
3.7 million.
unidentified
Oh, God.
mark normand
This is just a Greek guy.
joe rogan
Look at that.
There's another guy that I love.
The channel's called Wilderness Cooking.
And this guy lives in Azerbaijan and he cooks in the mountains.
It always looks delicious.
And then at the end of it, he has a bite of it and he looks at you and he goes, Super.
He gives you a thumb up.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a great channel.
And that guy's got millions and millions of views.
This dude.
So he's always like he catches fish and he does all the things.
He makes his own fire and he's always cooking in weird ways.
mark normand
See, this guy's way happier than all of us.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's having a good time.
Well, he lives in peaceful mountains.
He's making delicious food.
mark normand
Imagine him on cameo just saying super.
He could make a billion dollars.
joe rogan
Yeah, but happy birthday.
Super.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Who makes the most cameo?
They're still doing that?
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who's like the number one earner on cameo?
mark normand
That's a great question.
Sure, Dyno Might had a run.
It's got to be somebody with a catchphrase.
joe rogan
Is Jimmy Walker still alive?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Is he still touring?
mark normand
I'd imagine.
I don't know how he pays the bills.
These old guys, you wonder how they have money.
unidentified
Right.
mark normand
Can that last?
Like, how long does Dyno Mite?
joe rogan
You know what I worry about?
Guys who were like middle-axe 20 years ago and they just faded out.
Like, what are you doing?
jamie vernon
I assume Uber John Kiricow.
joe rogan
John Kiricow is number one?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
So he does cameos.
mark normand
Who's that?
I don't even know who that is.
joe rogan
John Kirico?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Former CIA guy went to jail.
What?
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
They put him in jail.
A golfer.
jamie vernon
That's my buddy Bob.
joe rogan
Oh, you know him?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he's number two?
Yeah.
How much money is he making?
jamie vernon
I mean, he does a lot of these.
He was always in a fight with Santa during Christmas time.
mark normand
And John Kirk.
jamie vernon
Green's been up here for a while, but he's not currently on here.
joe rogan
Oh, that dude, Soy Tiet, the guy who sings.
mark normand
Oh, yeah, he's fun.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then who's red?
Is that one of the island boys?
Who's that guy in the lower left corner?
mark normand
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Those guys are still at it.
jamie vernon
And then the rest of these, I don't know who they are.
joe rogan
So John Kierkel costs $179 for one of those.
mark normand
Oh, bam.
And for him.
joe rogan
Who else is in there?
Anybody you know?
unidentified
No.
No.
jamie vernon
Names I do not recognize.
Nick Foley.
joe rogan
Interesting.
mark normand
Oh, Red Dead Redemption guy.
joe rogan
Oh, Nick Foley the wrestler.
mark normand
There you go.
joe rogan
How odd.
What an odd thing.
mark normand
Who's buying a Rappaport?
joe rogan
President Donald Trump parody is number 37.
Michael Rappaport.
mark normand
He's screaming enough for free.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
Why would you buy a portfolio?
Oh, Buffer has got to be up there.
joe rogan
Of course, Buffer.
jamie vernon
Yeah, of course.
I've seen people in a hotel, they've like heard him doing them.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, I've seen him do them.
I've seen him do them.
I've been with him when he's doing them.
mark normand
How crazy is his story with his brother?
joe rogan
Crazy.
mark normand
Isn't that bananas?
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
That kind of shit blows my mind.
joe rogan
Didn't even know his brother until they were like 30.
mark normand
And they just found each other with the voice both fighting.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, he was like the budget buffer in the beginning.
Like, he was like, if you couldn't afford Michael, you got Bruce.
But now Bruce is way better than Michael.
No disrespect to Michael.
mark normand
Oh, boy.
joe rogan
But Michael gets, you know, Michael's smooth.
Let's get ready to rumble.
Which is perfect for boxing.
But Bruce is perfect for MMA.
mark normand
Yeah, he's got more flare.
joe rogan
He's fucking hype.
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
He's got the suit on.
joe rogan
He's going to drop dead doing that one day.
We've all called it.
Because he gets beat red, and now he's like deep in his 60s.
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know how old he is.
mark normand
And he parties, too, I think.
joe rogan
Bruce parties?
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
How do you know?
mark normand
There's a bunch of videos of him.
He got into a fist fight in an elevator with an MMA fighter.
joe rogan
Oh, that was at Frank Trigg?
Yeah.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Kind of a fist fight.
Like a little bit of a pushing, shoving, probably.
Frank Trigg would literally kill him.
mark normand
I know.
That's why I'm impressed because he stood up to him.
joe rogan
Frank Trigg was an animal when he was young.
mark normand
Yeah.
I would not be able to do it.
joe rogan
This was like, I think it was when Frank was still fighting.
unidentified
That's crazy.
joe rogan
I don't think Frank really fought him back.
I think that would be a very quick encounter.
mark normand
But just the fact that he was up for it.
joe rogan
I don't know what really happened.
mark normand
I think the story's online somewhere.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's Bruce's version of the story.
mark normand
Yeah, it's true.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Not that Bruce is lying.
Bruce might have thought he was in a fight and Frank might have thought it was hilarious.
mark normand
Right, right.
joe rogan
I don't know.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
But Bruce did martial arts most of his life.
mark normand
The craziest coincidence of all, and get your fingers ready, J-Mo.
Dennis the Menace, the cartoon, was invented in England and in America on the same day.
joe rogan
What?
mark normand
Put that your pipe and jizz on it.
Get that cooking.
Oh, yeah.
Because they were like, oh, you must have stolen this.
So they went back and researched it.
They were both invented.
Same character, same name on the same day and the same year.
joe rogan
That makes no sense.
mark normand
Isn't that bananas?
My brain blew up.
joe rogan
That literally makes no sense.
mark normand
It's crazy.
So, that's a fun one.
joe rogan
How is that possible?
mark normand
I don't know.
Just, you know, monkeys writing on a typewriter.
Eventually you get Shakespeare.
Two guys thinking of the same thing.
Same day.
Crossed the pond.
joe rogan
Maybe that's one of those things.
Like, what is that called?
Like Berenstein Bears?
The Mandala effect.
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
jamie vernon
That's not the same thing because that's like when it's not real.
This is something that's real.
Dennis the Menace Coincidence 00:16:10
mark normand
That's true.
joe rogan
Right.
That's right.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
No, I'm thinking of the wrong thing.
What does Perplexity say?
Our lovely AI sponsor, Perplexity, says there's actually two completely separate Dennis Menace comic strip characters that debuted almost simultaneously in 1951, created independently in the UK and the U.S.
So how would they even know about each other back then?
mark normand
Oh, sorry.
It's 17th and 12th.
So they're five days apart.
joe rogan
Who started first?
British was the 17th.
mark normand
Okay.
joe rogan
On sale.
Issue dated 17 March on sale 12 March.
Created by these guys, American, on 12 March.
No.
Like basically the same day on sale.
On sale the same day.
mark normand
Unbelievable.
Blonde hair.
unidentified
Same.
mark normand
Overalls.
joe rogan
And it said, well, go back to what the saying was again.
It said, your son is a menace.
Did they both say that?
No.
mark normand
I don't know.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Both mischievous little boys, but they look different.
UK Dennis has black hair, red and black jumper.
U.S. Dennis, blonde hair, overalls.
They live in different fictional worlds.
Creators worked entirely independently.
No evidence.
Either knew about the other before publication.
So it's treated as a famous coincidence rather than copying.
Wow.
mark normand
Unreal.
There they are side by side.
unidentified
Wow.
mark normand
That kind of shit is kooky.
joe rogan
It's weird.
That's like when rats, you like if you teach a rat how to get out of a maze on the east coast, rats on the west coast get out of the maze quicker.
mark normand
No fucking way.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's a guy named Rupert Sheldrick.
He calls it Morphic Resonance.
He thinks there's some sort of like communication that all animals have with each other all over the world that we can't quantify, that we can't measure, but it seems real.
mark normand
Yeah.
Well, apparently I got caught in an ant pile when I was a kid, and all the ants swarmed on me and they all bit me at once.
I felt it.
I was like, ah, it was just one big wave of pain.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
mark normand
They communicated.
joe rogan
Well, ants just immediately attacked, though, as soon as you get on the ant hill.
mark normand
But ants are they're on another level.
joe rogan
You hear about the lady that fell.
She was, her parachute didn't deploy, but she landed in an ant pile of fire ants.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
She survived because she was bit like a thousand times by these fire ants.
And somehow or another, the ant bites and the adrenaline that caused it helped.
Hey, don't jump down.
Stay up there, buddy.
Is what kept her alive.
unidentified
What?
mark normand
Yeah.
Wow.
That's when you start going religion shit.
unidentified
I know.
mark normand
Like, how did that happen?
joe rogan
Stay up here, buddy.
Stay up here.
mark normand
Ant bites.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
1999.
Her parachute malfunctioned.
She fell 4,500 feet.
Her backup parachute opened at 700 feet, but quickly deflated.
She continued to plummet towards the ground at 80 miles an hour.
Miraculously, she survived the fall thanks to the fact she landed directly on a mound of fire ants.
Doctors believe the intense shock of being stung over 200 times by the ants released a surge of adrenaline, which kept her heartbeating.
mark normand
Oh, it's like a clear.
She got cleared by ants.
joe rogan
Isn't that nuts?
mark normand
That is kooky.
It's like when those guys jump off the Golden Gate Bridge and a seal, a guy jumped off, broke all his bones, and a seal pushed him to the shore.
joe rogan
Whoa.
mark normand
That's in the documentary, The Bridge.
joe rogan
A friend of mine did that and died.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, he killed himself.
mark normand
It's the number one spot to kill yourself.
joe rogan
Yeah, R.I.P. Tony Anagone.
He's a buddy of mine that was a professional pool player.
I did commentary with him on a pool match in the 90s.
He was in a book called Playing Off the Rail.
It's a great book by this guy, David McCumber, who was Hunter S. Thompson's editor in, I want to say, Seattle, something like that.
I forget what newspaper, but when Hunter was like off the rails and out of his fucking mind, too.
It was perfect.
Another different kind of off the rail.
So he followed my friend Tony all across the country gambling.
It's a great book about pool hustling.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Tony was like a world-class professional pool player and they went around the country gambling.
And I don't know what happened with him, but I lost touch with them.
And then.
mark normand
Was he Golden Gate?
joe rogan
Yeah.
mark normand
Oh, damn.
It's like they all know to go there.
joe rogan
Well, he was a San Francisco guy.
He lived up there his whole life.
And I got this message from a friend of mine.
Tony jumped off the bridge.
I was like, no.
unidentified
Whoa.
mark normand
Crazy.
joe rogan
Well, it's weird because I watch matches sometimes on YouTube and he's doing the commentary for the matches.
mark normand
Oh, that's crazy.
joe rogan
It's so strange because he seems so happy.
He's enjoying himself.
They're cracking up.
But I'm like, what is it that makes someone want to end it?
You know, what is it?
Like, what was, I guess he had, like, some failed business ventures and he was going bankrupt.
mark normand
Well, depression is, you know, way was way more unresearched back then.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
You know, you probably just thought, ah, something's wrong with me.
I got to end this pain.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
But damn.
But yeah, everybody who lived, they said, each of them said separately, right when my hand left the rail, I was, I regretted it.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
They all said that.
mark normand
Every single one.
joe rogan
They all said that.
Yeah.
Everybody who lives.
mark normand
So don't do it.
joe rogan
It's a terrible idea.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you remember the one in downtown LA where the guy was like on, I think he shot himself with a shotgun.
He was like standing on the edge of a bridge and it was live on TV.
Do you remember that one?
Yeah.
It was like a standoff.
They were trying to get him to not jump, but he had a shotgun.
I think I'm conflating it.
mark normand
Bull it up.
joe rogan
But I'm pretty sure he blew his brains out on TV.
unidentified
Damn.
mark normand
I knew about the fat guy with the gun in the mouth.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
mark normand
Politician guy.
joe rogan
Was he a judge?
Was he a dirty judge?
mark normand
Maybe a judge.
joe rogan
A dirty judge.
mark normand
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That song, Hey Man, Nice Shot.
mark normand
Exactly.
Yeah.
And that was a hot video when I was a kid.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
mark normand
What is it?
Taste of Death or Faces.
unidentified
Bugwire.
mark normand
Faces.
unidentified
Bugwire.
mark normand
That's it.
joe rogan
That was one of the first ones where you got to see a guy die.
Like a viral video.
He put a giant gun in his mouth.
Look at that.
44.
mark normand
And everybody goes, no, no, don't do it.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
He's like, hey, man, relax.
Everyone, stay calm.
They just shoved it in his mouth and boom.
Blew the top of his dome off.
mark normand
And now we just see people getting shot on Twitter every 10 seconds.
joe rogan
Every day.
mark normand
I mean, the Kirk thing.
I remember waking up and be like, good God.
joe rogan
The Kirk thing's weird.
The Kirk thing's weird because now there's video footage from behind.
mark normand
Is that right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, the round that he was supposedly shot with was a 30-odd 6, which is a big round.
That's a round that you'd kill a moose with.
And it doesn't even have an exit wound.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
It don't make no sense.
It makes zero sense.
mark normand
Well, you hear about this Joe Kent.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
Yeah, they told him not to research or investigate.
unidentified
Yes.
mark normand
So what's up with that?
joe rogan
He said that they were told to stop their investigation and that they were going to handle it.
mark normand
And he just resigned.
joe rogan
And meanwhile, have they handled it?
Like, we haven't seen that guy, the guy who loves furries, who supposedly killed Charlie Kirk.
mark normand
Tyler Robinson.
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
We haven't seen him talk.
No.
He hasn't said he did it.
He hasn't said he didn't do it.
There's no independent video of him talking about it.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then there was footage of him at a yogurt shop way across town, like 20 minutes later.
The whole thing is like super sus.
mark normand
It's similar with the guy who shot Trump, whatever his name was.
He had three names.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, that kid.
That kid was in a BlackRock commercial to 44.
mark normand
He had no silverware.
joe rogan
His house was professionally scrubbed.
mark normand
And no one can ask questions about that.
We can't deep dive on that.
joe rogan
If you do, you're a conspiracy theorist.
mark normand
He shot a presidential elect.
joe rogan
Yeah, not only that, but isn't that a fucking conspiracy?
Like, that's a conspiracy.
He conspired to murder the president of the United States.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
It seems like he had help.
mark normand
Of course.
joe rogan
How the fuck did he get up onto that roof?
How did they not have people on that roof?
They said the slope was too steep.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And meanwhile, there were snipers on another roof that had a sharper angled roof.
mark normand
Oh, yeah, yeah.
And then he has no social media.
He has no history.
It's all kooky.
joe rogan
Super suspect.
mark normand
Yeah.
We can't ask questions or else we're assholes.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, though, the kooky people online now think that that was staged and that Trump had that guy shoot his ear.
Like, you don't know jack shit about guns if you think that that was staged.
mark normand
I will say the flag going up with the photo op was pretty perfect.
joe rogan
But sometimes that's like Dennis the Menace.
Shit just lines up perfectly.
mark normand
I guess so.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
Sometimes weird stuff happens.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, how is this so perfect?
mark normand
Right, right.
Yeah, we got to get to the bottom of it.
joe rogan
He got shot in the ear, man.
I saw his fucking ear.
He had like a little mark on his ear.
mark normand
I remember that.
Get Nick Shirley on this shit.
He's cracking all kinds of cases.
joe rogan
Bro, the stuff that he just found in California is bonkers.
mark normand
If you see that guy in your town, you're fucked.
He's a persistent little cleef.
joe rogan
Would you see what the governor posted, what Newsom's press office posted?
They posted a photo of Nick Shirley, like a fake Nick Shirley, like a meme, like Nick Shirley peeking into windows.
Like, hey, he's doing your job.
He's uncovering fraud, and what you're doing is mocking him.
unidentified
Right.
mark normand
You should go, oh, shit, this fraud.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
I'm the governor.
joe rogan
They should just open up the investigations into all these places immediately if you cared.
But all they want to do is just obfuscate, cover it up, make it look silly.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Make it look like he's something, whatever he is, white supremacist.
mark normand
Right, right.
joe rogan
MAGA, whatever.
MAGA, come up with a name.
mark normand
I don't want to get to it.
My kid's at a Somali daycare right now, so I don't want to.
I don't want to say anything crazy.
But yeah, that was all kooky.
And look, I don't know what's real and what isn't anymore.
You know, and if you ask questions, you're this, you get labeled.
I don't know.
It's a wacky time.
joe rogan
And it's a time where we've never had more information and no one's less sure about anything.
unidentified
Yes.
mark normand
And the same with lonely.
We're more lonely than ever, and we have more connectivity than ever.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's the kind of connectivity that people have.
That's why I'm off social media.
It's just not good for you.
It's not.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
I hop on to post things and I get the fuck out of there.
mark normand
But you seem to know a ton of stuff.
So I'm like, how are you off social media, but also knowledgeable?
joe rogan
Google news feed and then things that inform people send me.
I rely on people sending me things now, which is way better.
Because everybody's always sending you things that are have you seen this shit?
Holy fuck.
mark normand
I said something yesterday about that.
joe rogan
Always.
mark normand
YouTube deleted it.
joe rogan
I don't think they did.
mark normand
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think it's back.
Or if it was deleted, it was pulled back up.
The Nick Shirley thing.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Good.
joe rogan
Because other people said, I found it.
It's right here.
So it might have just been a glitch.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
Or it might have been they thought about deleting it and someone said, that's going to make it worse.
mark normand
Exactly, exactly.
joe rogan
It definitely makes it worse.
mark normand
But if it is true, I don't know if it all is true with the fraud and everything, but I'm like, can we stop it?
Can we get the money back?
Can we help people who are paying taxes who are not getting anything out of it?
And it's all going to some guy in a cyber truck.
Like, where's the redemption?
Where's the comeuppance?
joe rogan
Well, this is the thing that Elon Musk told me about during the Doge stuff.
He said the biggest fraud in this country is Medicare fraud and Medicaid fraud.
He's like, and that, if that gets, he goes like, I don't even want to talk about it because I don't want them to kill me.
He literally said that.
He's like, we're talking about hundreds of billions of dollars in fraud.
mark normand
But don't we have the worst health care or whatever?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
mark normand
Huh.
joe rogan
But it doesn't matter.
It's not about actual health care.
It's about using the system to extract money, pretending you have a daycare, pretending you have a hospice, pretending you have this and that.
And really, you're just lying about who's there and collecting checks from the government.
Because if you have a bunch of clients, like there was one place in Minneapolis that was saying they were feeding like 5,000 people a day.
They never saw more than 40 people there.
They investigated, like, this is just, they're just taking money.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they're getting millions and millions of dollars.
It's crazy.
But you got to think, if this thing has been going on for so long, they probably have a whole system.
No one's ever investigated it.
It's been happening for over a decade.
And they just like, this is what we do.
And they're all just cashing in.
mark normand
Yeah, but I don't know.
Like, my friend lives in Minneapolis.
He's an old pal, and he's like, I've known Tim Walz my whole life.
He was always the governor, and he's a nice guy.
But then you see this shit, and you're like, so is he stupid or is he corrupt?
joe rogan
Well, you can know someone and think they're a nice guy because they're a nice guy to you.
You know what I mean?
Like, I know a lot of people, and people say that guy's a piece of shit.
I'm like, maybe.
But to me, all I can judge is how he treats me and how he talks to me.
But he's going to talk different to me than he's going to talk to people that don't matter to him.
mark normand
Yeah, and you only know of his online perception.
joe rogan
Tim Walsh just seems weird.
There's no humans that I know like that that wave like that, that walk around like this.
It's just not normal behavior.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he stopped his run for re-election because of this Minneapolis fraud.
So there's something to it.
mark normand
But you just want some acknowledgement.
You just want them to go like, geez, that is crazy.
Holy shit.
But instead, it's like, shut it down.
Don't listen to that guy.
unidentified
Exactly.
mark normand
Just stop making me feel crazy.
joe rogan
You're not crazy.
It's real.
It's real.
I mean, maybe Nick Shirley, maybe 100% of it isn't fraudulent that he uncovered.
Maybe some of it's legit, but there's definitely some fraud involved.
And it's enough that you realize, like, this is, you're talking about enormous amounts of money.
And how long has this been going on?
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
And also, who's getting paid?
Is anybody getting backdoor deals?
Is there any offshore accounts that other people have access to?
mark normand
Exactly.
joe rogan
And they're funneling money and no one knows about it.
mark normand
Well, let's paper trail this shit and get to something.
We don't make any arrests like all the Epstein guys are out there.
In England and Norway, they popped a few guys.
joe rogan
Well, that was what the Doge stuff was all about.
That was the whole purpose for it all.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
The whole purpose for the Doge stuff was to try to uncover a lot of this stuff.
And they found fucking tons of it, hundreds of billions of dollars in fraud.
And what happened to those guys?
Those guys are getting, you know, they're getting questioned now.
mark normand
Okay.
joe rogan
And people are, you know, the guys, the Doge guys are like having to give testimony.
mark normand
Oh, like.
joe rogan
They're like, like, you know, you shut down important government function.
It's like, well, actually, these fucking things, nothing was getting done.
And these people were making enormous amounts of money.
It's like, did you see that fucking bridge that they're building in California?
mark normand
I did, the wild mountain lions.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's over $100 million.
mark normand
I know.
joe rogan
And they need more money for a fucking bridge.
mark normand
I know.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, Colorado built one, a similar one, for a fraction of the cost.
mark normand
I think it was $5 million.
joe rogan
Yeah.
A fraction of the cost.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And completed it.
And it's done.
And in California, like, we need more money to save the fox.
mark normand
Well, there's so many regulations that you can't, there's so much red tape, you can't get anywhere.
joe rogan
It's a little bit of that, but they're blaming tariffs in the government.
Shut up.
I doubt that's what it is.
I doubt it's $100 million and you can't finish it because of tariffs.
That don't make any sense.
mark normand
We're still waiting on the bullet train.
That started 25 years ago.
joe rogan
Oh, that was billions.
mark normand
Billions.
joe rogan
Billions.
mark normand
Still not done.
Nothing.
Meanwhile, Japan is whizzing all over the place at light speed.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen, I think it's in China.
There's one that they debuted, they showed in China, and it's just whizzing by these people, and you get to see how fast it is in real time or standing next to it.
No.
It's bonkers, dude.
Man.
It's just and you just think, the problem with that is how much track is there?
There's a lot of track.
How many psychos are out there?
They could just lay something on the track.
mark normand
Well, that's more American.
They don't do that shit.
They're raised better.
joe rogan
Someone can do it.
mark normand
They could, but they're Japanese.
They're repressed.
So they get it all out with those trains.
State-Sponsored Terrorism 00:05:34
joe rogan
Right?
mark normand
It's like Nick Shirley.
He's a virgin.
So he's motivated.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's weird, right?
mark normand
It is a little weird, but I'd rather an incel do that shit than shoot up a place.
joe rogan
Well, there's a lot of these virgin influencers now.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Nick Fuentes is a virgin, allegedly.
Yeah.
This guy's a virgin.
mark normand
I don't trust a lot of these virgins.
That feels unnatural.
You're late.
You're young.
joe rogan
It's very unnormal.
mark normand
Very, very strange.
unidentified
Very.
mark normand
It's like Zoran.
I don't trust an Indian who never had a job.
joe rogan
Is he Indian?
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Mamdani?
mark normand
I believe he's Indian.
joe rogan
Is he?
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Is that what he is?
mark normand
I think he's from Africa, but he is Indian.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's from Africa.
mark normand
But have you never had a job?
Every Indian guy I know is the hardest working dude on the planet.
joe rogan
He's never had a job at all.
mark normand
No.
I think he's a rapper.
joe rogan
Mamdani's never had a job?
mark normand
No, I don't believe so.
This is his first gig.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
mark normand
I know.
joe rogan
Imagine your first gig.
You're the mayor of New York City.
On one hand, super impressive.
mark normand
Very impressive.
joe rogan
First gig.
Way to go.
The sky's the limit for this guy.
mark normand
I know.
joe rogan
His first job, he was the mayor of New York City.
mark normand
Yeah, it's like losing your virginity to Heidi Klum.
joe rogan
I think he won because he said he's not going to Israel.
mark normand
That was smart.
And affordability.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
New York's so expensive.
joe rogan
Also, yeah, people are like, we're tired of the rich.
Well, the narrative is the rich people are causing all your problems, and we need to tax the rich people.
But meanwhile, the rich people in New York are responsible for more than 50% of the taxes.
mark normand
Sure.
Well, Hochul just said, please come back.
Did you see that clip?
Yeah, good luck.
Good luck.
joe rogan
Good luck.
mark normand
And I think he seems like a nice guy.
I think he's got good intentions, but it just, you know, you need some experience and you need money because he keeps saying free, free buses, free health care, free child care.
And you're like, stop saying free.
That should be illegal because someone has to pay for it.
joe rogan
Right.
There's nothing free.
mark normand
Nothing is free.
joe rogan
You're just adding to the bureaucracy.
You're adding to the government waste.
You're adding to the possibility of fraud.
Yeah.
While you're just releasing people on the streets.
mark normand
Yeah, and I think I have a theory that Muslim is cool.
Muslim is like the new black.
It's cool.
Muslim's hip now.
It's different.
It's exotic.
It's fun.
joe rogan
I think the problem is people conflate Muslim and Islamist.
Which is two very different things.
I know a lot of Muslims and they're great people.
mark normand
Totally.
joe rogan
But Islamists are people that want a global caliphate.
And they want death to the infidels.
This is the difference between Iran and Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia are Muslims.
The Iranians are Islamists.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
They're state-sponsored terrorism, the whole deal.
mark normand
Yeah, yeah.
Well, any extreme, you know, like a Hasidic Jew versus Paul Rudd.
unidentified
Yes.
mark normand
You know, Paul Rudd's a fun guy, has a cocktail.
He's a funny movie.
And then a Hasidic Jew is like, all right, let me cut your foreskin off and suck the blood.
joe rogan
Right.
Give you herpes.
Or these crazy fucking right-wing radical Christian nationalists that think that we're supposed to be over in Israel so that Jesus can come back on a white horse.
Have you seen that?
mark normand
Oh, no.
joe rogan
Oh, Jamie, pull that story up that I sent you, or I could resend it to you if you want.
There's a crazy story that was on Yahoo about this guy who's a non-commissioned officer that went to a military debriefing.
So it was like an operation readiness meeting or a war meeting.
And one of these fucking guys, one of these high-level commanders, says, don't be worried because Trump is anointed by Jesus Christ to bring back the return.
mark normand
Oh, no.
joe rogan
To bring back Jesus' return on earth.
Commander claimed Trump was anointed by Jesus to cause Armageddon to justify the Iran tax.
unidentified
Wow.
mark normand
See, that's like up there with Allah will protect me.
Exactly.
joe rogan
It's the same shit.
It's just coming from a different religion.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's the same mindset.
Like, look at what he said.
See what he said?
Did you find the actual quote?
He urged us to tell our troops this is all part of God's divine plan.
Specifically referenced numerous citations out of the book of Revelations referring to Armageddon and the imminent return of Jesus Christ.
And he said, the superior had a big grin on his face when he said all of this, which made his message seem even more crazy.
mark normand
Wow.
joe rogan
Bro.
mark normand
Scary.
joe rogan
That's just as scary.
Those are just as scary as suicide bombers.
It's like people that are like true believers.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Something that, you know, objectively sounds a lot like nonsense.
mark normand
I would say there's less blowing up shit with the extreme Christian guy.
joe rogan
Sure, because they won.
Go back to the Inquisition.
And they were fucking torturing people.
mark normand
That's a good point.
joe rogan
You know, people for, you know, for God's word or for, you know, for God's service and service of God have done some wild shit.
Oh, yeah.
It's just people, you know, it's just people when they get into positions of radical belief, they just, they go nutty.
mark normand
Yeah, it's like a cult.
The cult is just a microcosm of a full religion.
joe rogan
Exactly.
mark normand
You know, it's just some crazy guy who's like, I'm going to fuck all of you and then we'll drink Kool-Aid.
joe rogan
I used to do a joke about it where I said, a cult is a thing where a guy creates it, and that guy knows it's bullshit.
In a religion, that guy's dead.
mark normand
Wait a minute.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mark normand
Oh, I see.
joe rogan
The religion, the guy who created it is dead.
mark normand
Oh, right, right.
joe rogan
So it's like everybody just believes.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But in a cult, you know, like David Koresh or fill-in-the-blank, the Moonies, whatever it is.
mark normand
Yeah, the coolest.
joe rogan
Some guy created it, and he knew it's bullshit.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Scientology.
Cults vs Religion 00:06:26
joe rogan
That guy is a science fiction author.
mark normand
Completely.
L. Ron Hubbard.
joe rogan
But now he's dead.
So it's a religion.
And they have tax-free exempt status.
mark normand
That's good.
joe rogan
They're exempt from taxes.
Scientology.
No.
Yes.
mark normand
That's how they can afford all that real estate in L.A.
unidentified
They have so much real estate.
mark normand
Crazy buildings.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
Crazy.
Downtown.
joe rogan
And that's the nuttiest thing about L. Ron Hubbard.
It's like he's one of the worst authors of all time.
mark normand
Oh, he stinks.
joe rogan
Terrible.
mark normand
And he's a weird-looking dude.
I think he beat his wife.
joe rogan
Did he?
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
He was a trouble.
joe rogan
I don't say that because he's dead.
mark normand
I watched a little documentary on him.
He's a troubled individual.
joe rogan
Well, he was definitely troubled, which is why he came up with Dianetics in the first place.
He was trying to self-diagnose.
He was trying to fix his own brain.
mark normand
But it also shows how sad and sheep-like people are because we're like, we need something.
I need something to believe in, something to go for.
I'll support you.
joe rogan
Well, so lost that anybody who comes along that confidently claims they have the answer, people just follow.
mark normand
Yep.
unidentified
Very odd.
jamie vernon
Every time.
joe rogan
Very odd.
It's like, I think it's programmed into us just like from the time that we were in tribes and we had to count on the chief to be correct.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
mark normand
But I'm sure you got some psychos who are up your ass.
joe rogan
Who believe everything I say?
mark normand
Yeah, because you're so big.
You got such a big umbrella.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I'm very clear that I don't know what I'm talking about.
mark normand
That's the key.
joe rogan
And if I do, it's like very specific things.
So I'm like, I can tell you for sure that this is a fact.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You know, because I'm an expert in a few things, but other things I'm like, you know, don't listen to me.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
But this is what I think.
mark normand
Well, you're one of the few guys who will go, oh, you know what I said last week?
I was wrong about that.
joe rogan
You have to.
mark normand
Nobody does that.
joe rogan
You got to.
Well, because they all just want to be right all the time.
mark normand
Yes.
joe rogan
And they all connect their identity with being correct about whether it's COVID or like COVID ruined a lot of people's credibility.
mark normand
100%.
joe rogan
Because they were all in on the vaccine, all in on this, all in on the lockdowns, all in on the masks.
And then once it was revealed that all that stuff was bullshit, the vaccine didn't really prevent infection, didn't really.
Those people just never came out and said, you know what, I was wrong.
mark normand
I know, and that would go so far, but nobody will do it.
And then the right and the left, they both just want their side to win.
So they're like, just.
joe rogan
Exactly.
mark normand
It's like when the ball goes out of bounds on your team, you're like, I didn't see shit.
joe rogan
Exactly.
mark normand
And then the other team's like, what are you crazy?
We got video footage.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's cheating.
mark normand
It's cheating.
joe rogan
You're cheating in the game of discourse.
mark normand
Right, right.
joe rogan
The game of discourse is you're supposed to say what you really think.
And then when you think something differently, you say, okay, I was wrong.
mark normand
Yes.
joe rogan
You have to be able to say, I was misinformed.
I thought it was this, but it's actually that.
mark normand
Yeah, that's why those videos are so fun when they go to a college campus.
They're like, can you believe what this Trump said this?
And they go, that's racist.
He's a piece of shit.
And they go, actually, that was Biden.
And then they go, oh, well, what are you going to do?
I got class in a minute.
I got to go.
joe rogan
You don't vote for me.
You ain't black.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
He's got a couple N-words, too, out there.
joe rogan
Does he?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
mark normand
Pull it up.
Biden had a few.
joe rogan
Well, I remember when he called African Americans super criminals, right?
mark normand
Whoa.
joe rogan
Or super predators.
That was during the 1994 crime bill, which is he was really responsible for a lot of that.
The 94 crime bill, people forget about that.
Like during the Clinton administration, like Clinton, in a lot of Clinton was a great president in terms of what he did.
Balanced the budget.
Great.
God had in the office, but you know, let it go.
mark normand
Oral office.
joe rogan
Let it go.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Let it go.
But other than that, like, he did a lot of things that were really good.
But one of the things that he did that wasn't really good was the 94 crime bill.
So many people wind up going to jail for the rest of their lives.
mark normand
That's true.
joe rogan
They ruined so many families, so many lives lost.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
People that could have turned their life around, never got a chance, locked up forever.
mark normand
Yeah, and deported a lot of people, too.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Not as much as Biden.
Excuse me, not as much as Obama.
mark normand
Well, yeah, he was the king of that.
joe rogan
Not only did Obama deport more people than Trump, they arrested more Americans accidentally than Trump.
Yeah, the percentage of Americans arrested was higher, and also the deaths were higher.
Also, he had two terms.
True.
So you got to think about that.
mark normand
True, yeah.
But nobody got shot in the street.
joe rogan
What do you mean?
mark normand
Like his ICE didn't shoot anybody that I know of.
joe rogan
No, they did.
mark normand
Oh, come on.
joe rogan
They did kill people.
Yeah, they killed people.
mark normand
Civilians?
joe rogan
I don't know if it was civilians or if it was actual illegals that they were trying to deport, but there was definitely a bunch of people that were killed.
I want to say it was somewhere in the range of 30.
mark normand
30?
joe rogan
Yeah.
mark normand
Well, no social media back then either.
joe rogan
Right.
That's big.
mark normand
Big.
joe rogan
That changed everything.
They could cover up everything back then.
mark normand
But wouldn't you like to talk to Obama and go, ah, come on, that was crazy, right?
joe rogan
Well, Maron talked to Obama and he just kind of softballed him.
You know, he just was like, he let Obama just kind of talk.
Well, he did it recently.
He did it twice.
And both times it was kind of the same thing.
mark normand
But he is an icon and he was a good president and he seems like a cool guy.
joe rogan
He was a very good statesman.
mark normand
Yes.
joe rogan
Like the way he talked was great, but he also said he was going to protect whistleblowers and he went back on all that.
They even removed that part of the Hope and Change website.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
His Hope and Change website when he was running for president was all about removing whistleblowers.
So what does it say here?
No documented case of ICE agents directly killing anyone.
mark normand
There you go.
joe rogan
Such as through shootings or excessive force during Obama's presidency.
However, 56 individuals died in ICE custody over that period.
mark normand
Well, he did.
joe rogan
Okay, so that's how they died.
So it wasn't shootings, primarily from medical issues, like they had lead poisoning from bullets, inadequate care, or whoops, he hung himself in a two-foot cell.
Ah.
With reports highlighting substandard medical treatment contributing to at least eight cases between 2010 and 2012.
Most custody deaths under Obama were attributed to natural causes, heart disease.
Well, you definitely are dealing with a lot of people that snuck in.
Not suicides, hanging, or violence by agents.
Interesting.
mark normand
Interesting.
And what's up with that wife dick?
Just a little levity, folks.
joe rogan
I wish that was true.
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unidentified
I know.
mark normand
It's so funny.
joe rogan
It'd be so fun.
mark normand
Just a goof.
joe rogan
I think the French one's true.
mark normand
The chef?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Candace Owens, the one she was saying that your wife is a man.
mark normand
Come on.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mark normand
No way.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
I don't think so.
joe rogan
I might be wrong.
mark normand
I mean, she's a little sounds odd.
She's odd.
She's a little trans-y.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You ever see the way she sits?
mark normand
Pull it up.
I have not.
joe rogan
Sits like a dude.
mark normand
No, what?
Man spread?
joe rogan
Yeah, man spread.
mark normand
Is that right?
joe rogan
Odd alignment of the hips.
Seems very masculine.
You know, that's why men sit like that.
It's not because we're dicks.
It's like your legs go out like that, whereas women's legs go inward.
mark normand
Sure.
joe rogan
Because they have birthing hips and the angle is different.
mark normand
I thought it was the ball bag.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mark normand
Well, I see it.
joe rogan
A little bit of it.
mark normand
You're airing it out a little bit, whereas a woman is a clam, so there's no resistance.
joe rogan
Well, that's why you don't trust guys who sit like Ari with that leg over the top, that cross-legged thing.
mark normand
Yeah, and ironically, he's got a huge bag.
joe rogan
He's got a big bag and a big cock.
mark normand
Crazy Jew Jew hog on that guy.
joe rogan
Little baby arm.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Big old fucking sack.
mark normand
He's doing good.
joe rogan
He's doing good down there.
Watch how she sits.
Boom.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
mark normand
Yeah, wow.
joe rogan
That's how a dude sits.
mark normand
That was a manly sit.
joe rogan
Even the walk, even the stature, the skeletal frame, everything.
mark normand
Looks like John David.
joe rogan
It looks like a guy with tits.
Right?
Boom.
Look how it sits.
But that's not the weirdest thing.
mark normand
Let me come out.
joe rogan
The weirdest thing that everybody accepts is the fact that they started their relationship when she, air quotes, was 40 and he was like 14 or 15.
mark normand
That's crazy.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
mark normand
If that was reversed, guy to girl, that would be a headline.
joe rogan
Exactly.
mark normand
Big time.
joe rogan
But it's French.
It's in France.
So they're like, we are different in France.
mark normand
They're sexual people.
They didn't fuck with me too in France.
They were like, nah, nah, we like sexy.
joe rogan
We take the whole country down.
mark normand
Yeah.
Yeah, that's true.
joe rogan
Men and women.
Look, that's a woman, supposedly.
mark normand
Italy.
joe rogan
Take her down.
Take them all down.
mark normand
Italy's like, we hit the ladies and we cat call.
That's our thing.
joe rogan
Oh, they're animals.
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I was in Rome with my kids in a taxi.
It was just me and my kids.
And this fucking driver of the taxi stopped the car in the middle of an intersection to cat call some lady.
mark normand
No way.
joe rogan
Who had a big ass who was walking across the seats?
He's like, Manamona, mana, mia.
Look at that ass.
And he just kept driving.
I was like, these people are animals.
mark normand
It's kind of charming with that voice, though.
joe rogan
It is, but you got to realize, like, if you're in Rome, these are the descendants of the people that were there when the Coliseum was running.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
These are the people that were there when the fucking Roman games, when Rome was conquering the world.
Of course, they're savages.
mark normand
Right, right.
joe rogan
Of course.
They're the descendants of savage, direct descendants of some of the most savage people that ever walked the face of the earth.
mark normand
Yeah, those gladiators.
joe rogan
The Roman Empire.
mark normand
They fought lions.
joe rogan
They took over everything.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
And then they got the Vatican right there, which is a weird fucking country that's in the middle of their city.
mark normand
I think that's good balance.
They got crazy shit with the orgies, the wine, and then the gay stuff.
And then they got the Vatican.
To me, that's kind of healthy.
joe rogan
Jesus gives you a free pass.
You just got to say you're sorry.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You just got to confess.
mark normand
Best loophole of all time was that confession bullshit.
joe rogan
I think they did that just to get information on people in the town, find out what they were doing.
mark normand
That's true.
joe rogan
God says it's okay.
You still go to heaven.
You tell the priest.
And the priest immediately went and told the mayor.
mark normand
Oh, that's it.
joe rogan
100%.
mark normand
Never thought about that.
joe rogan
Of course.
How else would you get people to tell all the dirty shit that they're doing, all the crime they're committing?
mark normand
Oh, God.
joe rogan
That's the way you get them.
mark normand
I went to Catholic school.
I told those fuckers everything.
Did you?
I was in the box going, I jerked off to my aunt.
She's got huge tits.
I really went off in there.
It was like a podcast.
joe rogan
I never got to sit in one.
I went to Catholic school only for one year when I was first grade.
mark normand
Did you make it out?
joe rogan
Oh, I made it out and I was like, I'm never going back again.
It queered me off of religion for forever.
jamie vernon
That's a weird term.
joe rogan
Oh, this is not real.
mark normand
Of course.
joe rogan
This lady, I don't remember anybody's name from the time when I was six, but Sister Mary Josephine.
I'll remember that cunt till the day I die.
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
She was so mean.
And I was so confused because I had only been with my mom and my dad and my grandparents who were all nice to me.
mark normand
Yes.
joe rogan
I had never been around anybody mean to me.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
And then all of a sudden, around this vicious bitch who's supposed to be like the person of God.
mark normand
Exactly.
But they'd wrap your knuckles.
I think they were all repressed or something.
joe rogan
Oh, 100%.
mark normand
They needed some vitamin D.
Yeah, get that dick.
joe rogan
They didn't get any.
That's a crazy rule, too.
You can't fuck.
And you know why they came up with that rule?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Because all the priests were fucking everybody because they were the rock stars.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
They were the guy who talks to Jesus.
He's the guy on stage.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
The guy on stage.
And he's just, look, get them all.
And then they decided, hey, you can't fuck if you want to be a priest.
mark normand
But then they went to kids.
joe rogan
Of course.
That's what happens.
You're only going to get gay guys or pedophiles who are interested in that.
Gay guys fuck each other.
The pedophiles try to get the kids because you get isolated time with the kids.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
Like teachers.
Like, how many teachers get one of my kids' schools?
They just busted a guy.
mark normand
Get the fuck out of here.
joe rogan
Back in Calabasas.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
Viewpoint.
My kid went and took this guy's classes for, I think, two or three years.
mark normand
What?
joe rogan
Yep.
He was taking upskirts photos, inappropriate photos, was jerking off to him, admitted that the photos made his heart race.
And seeing these kids is full-on pedophile, was a part of this very nice private school.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think he was there for six or seven years.
mark normand
Did you meet him?
joe rogan
I must have.
mark normand
Oh, my lord.
unidentified
Lord.
mark normand
You shook this guy's hand.
joe rogan
I must have.
He was my kid's teacher.
I must have met him.
I don't remember him.
mark normand
You got daughters.
joe rogan
Uh-huh.
mark normand
Oh, mama.
joe rogan
Luckily, nothing happened to them, but they remember he talked too much.
mark normand
Oh, interesting.
joe rogan
My daughter said he just kept, he just wouldn't shut the fuck up.
He talked too much.
mark normand
Spitting game.
What about these Florida whores who keep banging the students?
There's something.
There's like an epidemic going on.
joe rogan
Give them a pass.
mark normand
I mean, look, I'm not knocking it, but that's different.
I think that beats priests now.
joe rogan
It's only okay if they're hot.
mark normand
Sure, but some of them are like, damn, I'd fuck her.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Those are okay.
mark normand
I don't know about okay.
joe rogan
But if it's some big troll-looking lady with no neck, her chin starts at her, her neck goes straight down to her chest.
Some job of the hut looking beast.
You'd be like, you monster.
What did you do to that boy?
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
But if it's some blonde lady with big tits and glassy eyes, like, she's probably on SSRIs.
Didn't know what she was doing.
Hot Priests Only 00:11:41
mark normand
Sure, and maybe like the husband can't get it up.
And this is a virile 14-year-old basketball player or something.
joe rogan
How about that lady who was a mayor?
She was a mayor at some town in like Louisiana and she was fucking some 16-year-old.
mark normand
That was crazy.
And they show the husband all over the news.
I'm like, this poor fucking guy.
What a cup.
joe rogan
This poor fucking guy.
Man.
Her fucking wife is getting banged by a high school basketball player.
mark normand
And she was pretty.
joe rogan
She was not.
mark normand
Very pretty.
joe rogan
Kind of MILFie.
mark normand
Kind of MILFY, for sure.
But that's the thing.
I have a bit about it.
They never show the kid.
I want to see that kid.
What's he?
Is he some kind of young stud?
joe rogan
Yeah, a lot of them are.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
You just can't see them because it's inappropriate underage and they're victims.
unidentified
Of course.
joe rogan
You ever hear Zach Galifanakis' joke?
mark normand
I died a high-fiving?
unidentified
Yes.
mark normand
That's a great joke.
unidentified
Great joke.
mark normand
He was a great joke writer.
joe rogan
Oh, he's a great comic.
mark normand
Great comic.
joe rogan
Live from the Purple Onion.
unidentified
Yes.
Great.
joe rogan
That's a fucking special.
mark normand
Great special.
He had that thing where he'd get fake angry and play the piano.
joe rogan
He's a good dude, too.
mark normand
Good guy.
joe rogan
He's a really good dude.
Like, every time I've had interactions with him, I'm like, this is a sock.
He's like, not Hollywood at all.
mark normand
No, no.
He's a South Carolina guy.
joe rogan
Bought a farm.
Lives on a farm now.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, it barely works.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
He just kind of lives his life.
mark normand
I mean, he's kind of a phenomen.
His stand-up was good.
And then he just like, you know, Todd Phillips fought for him in the hangover.
They're like, we don't know this fucking guy.
He's a nobody.
And he's like, I'm telling you, this guy's good.
And he stole the movie.
joe rogan
Stole the movie.
Yeah.
No, he's a great comic.
And that Between Two Ferns thing.
mark normand
Oh, it's brilliant.
joe rogan
Amazing.
Amazing.
mark normand
Brilliant.
joe rogan
No, he's great, man.
mark normand
Yeah, he just gets you on.
He got Seinfeld on.
He's trashing him.
He's trashing Paul Rudd.
He's got like all these.
That's great.
joe rogan
He was a great friend to Brody, too.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
When Brody was going through one of his moments where he got off medication and he got a little crazy.
And we started noticing it at the store.
Like instead of being funny, he was on stage.
He would actually get angry.
It was like really weird.
And he came back.
But there was a while where he was like really lost it.
And Zach reached out and he's like, don't interact with him.
We're trying to get him treatment.
We're trying to get him back on his meds.
Like he went off his meds.
mark normand
I love it.
joe rogan
He's a good dude.
mark normand
Good dude.
joe rogan
Solid dude.
mark normand
There's a video on it.
joe rogan
He's out there.
mark normand
Yeah, they're out there.
joe rogan
They're out there.
Solid people are out there.
mark normand
He's a normal guy.
And you could tell these Holly.
I feel like Hollywood is like COVID where it fucks your brain up eventually.
And he got out and moved to a farm.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
So that's how you know he's sane.
joe rogan
But there's people that are in Hollywood that stay solid.
Like when I had Matt Damon and Ben Affleck on, I was like, I'd be friends with these guys.
mark normand
Yeah, I listened to that one.
joe rogan
They're normal off the mic, on the mic.
They're cool.
mark normand
They're cool over there in their lobby.
joe rogan
They're regular.
They talk to everybody.
Like, I've met Matt Damon a few times.
I actually ran into him in Italy.
It's really crazy in a restaurant where he was sitting below a photo of him.
mark normand
Oh, wait.
joe rogan
Because there's photos of all these celebrities that come and eat at this place.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he was one of them.
And he was there.
He was sitting there like, and then I walked, I had met him before, so I go, hey, Matt.
He's like, oh, what's up?
I was like, but he's cool.
He's normal.
He's like a regular guy.
mark normand
Well, he hit the lottery with that script.
joe rogan
I know, right?
mark normand
Yeah, and they're both like good looking.
They're nice.
They're cool.
joe rogan
They're smart.
mark normand
Yes.
joe rogan
They're really like Ben Affleck is underrated intelligence.
Like when he was talking about AI and what AI is actually promising versus what they're actually capable of, what they're really trying to do is increase their market cap and get more money invested.
I'm like, oh, clever.
mark normand
Clever.
And I think he signed some deal with them for millions and like changed the game with Netflix.
unidentified
Big time.
mark normand
Big time.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
It's a fucking giant deal.
mark normand
Big deal.
jamie vernon
That for $600 million, I said.
joe rogan
Was that for the rip?
jamie vernon
No, He sold an AI company.
Oh, that's why he knows so much about it.
joe rogan
Oh, that makes sense.
mark normand
He kind of broke it down on here, and then like two weeks later, he sold it.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
mark normand
He's ahead of the curve, that guy.
joe rogan
Yeah, both of those guys are good.
And they've stayed friends forever.
mark normand
And banging J-Lo for that many years has got a he gave it his best.
joe rogan
He's trying to tame that horse.
mark normand
She sucks.
She's quite a Klein's deal.
joe rogan
Oh, I bet she's so fun, though.
mark normand
Yeah, but I think she's a malignant narcissist.
joe rogan
Duh.
But by the way, that's the only way you stay that hot when you're 80 years old.
mark normand
Smoke show.
joe rogan
She's a smoke show.
mark normand
Yeah, that rump is she could completely be a granny.
I am.
joe rogan
And she looks fucking amazing.
mark normand
I want to put a blue ribbon on that, Heine.
joe rogan
You got to be a narcissist to keep that up.
mark normand
I guess so.
joe rogan
I mean, the skin, her skin's perfect.
mark normand
Everything.
joe rogan
How's this?
And it doesn't look crazy, like filler.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Nutty.
It just looks like pure.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But she's just not aging.
mark normand
I know.
joe rogan
Nuts.
mark normand
That's at the Puerto Rican blood, I guess.
joe rogan
It may be that.
It's good genetics for sure, but it's also just upkeep and care and aware, being aware of what you look like and taking care of yourself.
Right.
Like, I saw one of those Instagram things where they showed people from like the 80s how old they were.
Yes, like Archie Bunker.
Archie Bunker, when he was playing Archie Bunker, when Ed O'Connell was playing Gardner, he's 10 years younger than me.
mark normand
Carol O'Connor.
joe rogan
Carol Connor.
That's right.
He was 10 years younger than me now.
unidentified
Whoa.
Right.
mark normand
I think they did a cocoon one with Paul Rudd and Ed Brimley.
unidentified
Yes.
mark normand
Same age.
joe rogan
48.
mark normand
48.
You know, Mrs. Robinson was 39.
unidentified
What?
mark normand
39 in the graduate.
And she's like the old bag.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
mark normand
39.
Now they got 39-year-olds walking on 6th Street who look like, you know, Cindy Crawford.
unidentified
Right.
mark normand
I update my hot women.
Megan Fox.
There you go.
Stuck in the 90s.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's odd, man.
mark normand
Yeah.
Oh, look at that.
joe rogan
She looked 39.
mark normand
I guess 39 in the 80s.
That's Mel Brooks' wife, you know.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what 39 looked like.
That looks like 69.
mark normand
I think she's pretty sexy.
joe rogan
Not bad.
unidentified
Look at that.
joe rogan
Ooh, not bad.
Especially for someone who never went to the gym.
Like, the 80s, they didn't do nothing back then.
They walked.
mark normand
Well, and the dudes, too, could be completely no definition and still be like a leading man.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
The only one who was like really ripped back then was Charles Bronson.
unidentified
Wow, yeah.
joe rogan
That motherfucker.
mark normand
Action star.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he was.
I mean, even before he was an action star, like that guy was just fit.
mark normand
Fit.
Like wiry.
joe rogan
You know when he did Hard Times that movie?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was 50.
mark normand
No.
unidentified
Yes.
mark normand
Wow.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
That's impressive.
joe rogan
Shredded.
mark normand
Well, all these TRT.
Leon Mises old and taken.
jamie vernon
I was looking this up.
The Golden Girls were all playing like 10 years younger than what they were.
mark normand
Wow.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
Nuts.
That's nuts.
mark normand
53.
joe rogan
They were playing 79.
She was 62.
She was playing 53, but she was 63.
Oh, wow.
mark normand
Wow.
That was great.
joe rogan
She was playing 53 and she was 52.
The one lady, that's crazy.
mark normand
B. Arthur, Rue McLanahan.
unidentified
Wow.
mark normand
Betty White.
joe rogan
And is Betty White still alive?
mark normand
Nah, she kicked it.
joe rogan
How old was she?
mark normand
I don't know, but Keith Richards beat her.
joe rogan
That guy.
mark normand
How?
He's like J-Lo.
He's the male J-Lo.
joe rogan
I saw the stones at Circuit of the Americas a couple years ago.
Fucking incredible.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
He still shreds.
mark normand
I know.
Both of them.
Jagger's out there.
joe rogan
Just dancing around.
Like, Jagger's not like standing still.
Like, have you seen?
It was one of those old guys who was in Vegas.
Like, one of them guys from the fucking 60s.
mark normand
Like a Wayne Newton type.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What is his name?
jamie vernon
Frankie Valley.
joe rogan
Frankie Valley.
mark normand
Oh, Valley.
joe rogan
Bro, it's like all lip-syncing and he can't move his lips anymore.
mark normand
Yeah, believe it.
joe rogan
And he looks like a statue.
It's odd.
mark normand
That is odd.
Yeah, those guys.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, Mick Jagger's button yo lips.
Dancing, moving around.
I mean, you're like, and they did a 90-minute show.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Cranking it.
mark normand
He's got very peptides or something.
joe rogan
Let's look at this guy.
mark normand
Oh, this guy's dead later.
joe rogan
Let me watch some of this.
mark normand
This is like Mitch McConnell.
I mean, he's just stiff.
joe rogan
But he's like a board.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
You got any volume on this bitch?
mark normand
Poor bastard.
jamie vernon
What am I talking about it?
unidentified
Oh.
mark normand
Well, hats off to still go out there.
joe rogan
It probably has to.
mark normand
He's got debt.
joe rogan
Have you seen Barry Mallow?
mark normand
No.
Rough.
joe rogan
Weird.
Go to Barry Mano's Instagram.
He sings, but he's got like filler, and it looks like his chin's disappearing.
And I don't know how old he is, but he's not that old.
Like, look at this.
mark normand
Oh, they start to look trans.
God, this is weird.
It's like an animatronic.
It's Chucky Cheese.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
That's what it's like.
But that's not even a weird one.
Go to his one on the far right, right?
Click on that.
Listen to him talk.
Well, it looks like I made it.
mark normand
He's like Kermit the Frog.
unidentified
Fabulous.
joe rogan
Look at his hair.
mark normand
That's awesome.
joe rogan
Is there any chance?
How much would you bet that that's a wig?
Everything I own.
mark normand
It's all fake.
Everything's fake.
joe rogan
Everything.
But the face is like, guy, let yourself just age.
Don't do the filler in the boat.
So this is when he was younger.
mark normand
Yeah, he's a handy.
joe rogan
This looks good.
This looks legit.
It just, when they start pumping stuff into their cheeks, it's just like, look, he got stung by bees.
It's just weird.
mark normand
Yeah, it's weird.
joe rogan
It's weird, but look.
mark normand
We all know.
What do you do?
It looks weirder.
It's worse.
Just age.
joe rogan
I know.
mark normand
We like age.
joe rogan
With women, it gets really strange because there's a thing that bodybuilders get and anorexics get body dysmorphia.
Well, you can't see yourself the way other people see you.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So you don't realize that it's weird that your cheeks are that big.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
Is that what it is?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
mark normand
Well, you know, when you're drawing something and you're painting and you're like, all right, it's done.
Hey, I'll add a little more.
I'll add a little more.
And then before you know it, you ruined it.
joe rogan
Well, you get obsessed with the little minutiae and you're just focusing on weird parts of your face.
mark normand
Yes.
joe rogan
Maybe you got a weird little smile line right here and you don't like it.
You're like, fill it in.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
It swells up.
You're like, good.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
And they get used to it.
We see them after eight months and you're like, good God.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
But they're just gradual.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
mark normand
So they don't realize how cool.
joe rogan
Didn't Ryan Gosling isn't people accusing him of getting a bunch of stuff in his face now, too?
Like, there were some photos of him on a red carpet.
It looked real weird.
mark normand
I get the hair implants.
joe rogan
I get it.
mark normand
Do that all day.
But as a dude, you can age.
We're all right.
We're like Jason Statham and all these guys.
They look fine.
joe rogan
Yeah, let it go.
mark normand
Let it go.
joe rogan
Don't do the filler thing.
It's just you're changing the shape of your face.
It's also a ratio, the golden ratio of your face.
Like when you do something weird to your face, it throws people off.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
The width of your face and the closeness of your eyes, the size of your nose, all of it fits within a certain ratio.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
And when that ratio is off, like when you have a really thin face, but a small nose, everybody's like, hey, yes.
Where's that Ari nose?
I need to see that big old beak that makes sense with this shape.
mark normand
We like it.
I mean, look at Jennifer Gray.
She cut her nose off.
joe rogan
Lost her career.
mark normand
Lost her career.
She was a cute, you know, little jewarod.
joe rogan
Yeah, she had a big nose.
Like, so what?
She's beautiful.
mark normand
Beautiful.
joe rogan
You don't have to be perfect.
Perfect ain't the way to go.
mark normand
Look at Bill Murray.
That guy looks like an old fart.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mark normand
I mean, he looks crazy, but it's Bill Murray.
joe rogan
He's a cool guy.
mark normand
I love going.
He's my childhood hero.
joe rogan
I really enjoyed talking to him.
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
You had Bill on.
joe rogan
He was a good one.
mark normand
That must have been pretty nerve-wracking for you, huh?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
No, it was cool.
He was real easy.
It wasn't nerve-wracking.
He was a little like nuts when you first meet him, but he had no idea who I was.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
He doesn't watch podcasts.
Yeah.
He had heard of me.
He's like, you're Joe?
I'm like, yeah.
Like, it wasn't bullshitting like some Hollywood people do.
I'm sorry, your name is.
False Rape Accusations 00:08:38
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
You know, some people.
He wasn't doing that.
He's not online, doesn't have a phone.
He said he had to get a phone to talk to his kids.
mark normand
Whoa.
joe rogan
That's it.
mark normand
Oh, man.
joe rogan
No else doesn't have a phone?
Woody.
Woody Harrelson.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
You got to get a hold of him?
You got to go through his wife.
unidentified
Damn.
mark normand
Sucks with a wife, though.
joe rogan
He's happy.
He's like, Leave me out of everything.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
You can't get a hold of him through email.
Leave me out of it.
mark normand
He seems interesting.
I remember that SNL he did?
unidentified
Great.
mark normand
Where he just out of COVID shit?
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
That was interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He's great.
mark normand
I saw him kill Tony once.
joe rogan
He hangs out at the club all the time.
unidentified
Really?
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's in the green room all the time.
But he hangs out normal.
Like, talks to everybody.
He doesn't big time anybody.
Like, he's talking to door guys.
He's talking to fucking everybody.
unidentified
Normal.
Damn.
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's cool.
mark normand
Cool, dude.
I mean, White Man Can't Jump is one of my favorites.
joe rogan
He's awesome.
He's just, he's real.
Like, that guy's a real.
I've hung out with him multiple times now.
I really enjoy talking to him.
There's a few of those guys.
They make it through and they're still cool.
But one thing that a lot of them have in common is they stay out of social media.
They stay offline.
They just live.
mark normand
They just live.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, he's in the cloud.
mark normand
You mean he's a pothead.
joe rogan
All day.
He's like those rappers that call it living in the cloud.
mark normand
I've never heard that.
joe rogan
They're never not high.
mark normand
Like a little Wayne or something.
joe rogan
High all day.
Constantly high.
mark normand
I don't know how they do that shit.
joe rogan
I don't know how they do that shit either.
mark normand
Like those people just wake and bake and then go out and do stuff and then they just keep smoking.
I mean, there's comics in the green room in New York who'll just smoke weed for like three hours and then go on, then do another set and they hang out.
I'm like, if I smoke weed for three hours, I'd be crying in a fetal position.
It's insane.
joe rogan
Yeah, I wouldn't be getting anything done.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
You'd be so locked in your own head thinking about the world.
But I think people's mental chemistry is different.
For some people, I think weed is like a legitimate medicine.
It keeps them together.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they're not hurting anybody.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Why is it okay to be on SSRIs and OxyContin, but it's not okay to just live in the cloud?
mark normand
That's a good point.
They're medicating in a little bit.
joe rogan
100%.
mark normand
I mean, that's what I was doing with alcohol as a teenager.
I was so anxious and nervous, and I wanted to fit in.
I would just drink for like social lube.
joe rogan
Most teenagers are doing that for that same reason.
They want to be able to go to a party and relax and not feel like everybody hates them or isolated or weird or who's judging me.
Just wee!
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
Like my nephew, he's 16, never drank, and he's a virgin.
He's got no friends.
He plays video games all day, and he gives me shit for drinking.
He's like, it's so unhealthy.
But I'm like, this is unhealthy.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
You're just, you got, you got no friends.
You never fingered a girl.
You don't go to parties.
Nothing.
joe rogan
It's weird that there's a lot of kids doing that now.
mark normand
85%.
Alcohol sales are 85% down with Gen Z. What?
85%.
I started a liquor.
Yeah.
So I'm fucked.
But yeah, it's weird.
I'm like, how do you cut loose?
I think they're all scared of being cringe.
They're all scared of being filmed.
We were so lucky we could just get after it, fuck up, drive drunk.
unidentified
That's it.
mark normand
I think that's part of it.
Somebody told me that kids don't dance at dances anymore because they're too scared of being go viral.
You know, look at this white guy dancing like an idiot.
Cringe.
Hashtag.
I think that's part of it.
joe rogan
I'm so happy to catch people doing something.
Ruin their whole life.
mark normand
That gotcha culture.
It's horrible.
joe rogan
It's horrible.
And the type of people that want to do that, they should be shamed.
That is a horrible behavior.
mark normand
1,000% agree.
That's where we're at.
I mean, people scan videos just to be like, gotcha.
Well, you said this.
You said that.
They go through your old tweets, whatever it is.
But we need to flip it and make those guys get in trouble.
unidentified
100%.
joe rogan
It's like when someone has a false rape accusation.
How come they don't go to jail?
You almost made a person go to jail.
Right.
And it turns out that they didn't do anything, and then you just skate.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's insane.
mark normand
They were going to go to jail.
unidentified
Forever.
mark normand
Forever.
For nothing.
joe rogan
For nothing.
For something you made up.
And then you just skate because you're a woman.
That's insane.
Or you're a guy.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
There's guys that had fake rape accusations against other men.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It's nuts.
mark normand
I know.
It's a bummer.
But I guess it's human nature.
It's powerful.
I don't know.
joe rogan
I know, but we should punish the people that make fake claims.
mark normand
I agree.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
mark normand
They should have to do half the time of the sentence.
joe rogan
Like, think about the Amber Heard, Johnny Depp thing.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, he gets exonerated at the end of it.
Everybody kind of sees her talk.
They go, oh, she made up a bunch of shit.
He's okay.
Right.
But meanwhile, what happened to her?
Nothing.
mark normand
Well, she was humiliated, but yeah, she lost some money, I guess.
joe rogan
But when you falsely accuse someone of crimes, beating her beating you?
mark normand
She got a makeup lady to put shit on her.
joe rogan
He could have gone to jail for 10, 15, 25 years.
unidentified
That's cruel.
mark normand
That's unusual.
That's psychopath.
joe rogan
Tried to ruin his life.
Like, that's what, you know, Jordan Peterson talks about that, that women are, they're experts in reputation destruction.
That's what they like to do.
And that's what she was trying to do with him.
mark normand
Well, they can't fight.
joe rogan
Right.
mark normand
So that's kind of their way, I guess.
joe rogan
You know, when they kill people, you know how they do it for the most part?
mark normand
Antifreeze and the oatmeal?
joe rogan
Poison.
mark normand
Yeah, they get it slow over time.
joe rogan
I was reading about this lady who wrote a book about helping her children get over grief.
And she sold this book because her husband died.
And then they just arrested her for poisoning her husband.
mark normand
Oh, my God.
unidentified
Wow.
mark normand
She killed all.
joe rogan
Yeah, she killed him.
It was in 2022.
mark normand
At least they got her.
How'd they find out?
joe rogan
She was like, crocodile tears.
It was so hard for me to lose my beloved Steve or whatever the fuck his name was.
mark normand
Well, did you see the Rebel Wilson thing?
unidentified
No.
mark normand
Oh, J-Mo.
She used the guy of sex trafficking.
joe rogan
And she accused Sasha Baron Cohen of telling her to grab, to finger his asshole.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
When meanwhile, what he really said, it's on camera, like she was supposed to grab his ass in a scene.
And he said, you know, you stuck your finger right up my arse.
Like, take it easy.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
And she said, he told me to finger his asshole.
Something along those lines.
unidentified
Whoa.
mark normand
Why would he say that?
joe rogan
Well, he is Sasha Baron Cohen.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
mark normand
He says, yeah.
joe rogan
So what did she accuse someone of?
mark normand
She accused a guy of being a sex trafficker, I believe, with children, and they caught her on a hot mic or somebody on a hot mic saying their plan.
They like spelled it out.
unidentified
What?
mark normand
And so she's in hot water.
joe rogan
Well, she should be going to jail.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
You can ruin someone's entire life.
Rebel Wilson versus the Deb.
What's the Deb?
jamie vernon
That was the movie.
mark normand
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Four lawsuits exploded as leaked audio alleges smear campaign against producer.
Well, she was another lady that used to be really big, and then she got kind of hot.
She slimmed down a little bit.
So what did they actually catch her?
Okay, what it says?
The producers.
So it says, she alleged this.
Page six reported that the dispute intensified after leak audio raised questions about an alleged smear effort linked to a crisis PR team working on her behalf.
Wilson used social media to accuse billionaire Sir Len Blavatnik of funding both the film and the legal actions against her.
It dates back to 2024.
Wilson accused the film's producer, including songwriter Amanda Ghost, of inappropriate behavior towards the lead, played by Charlotte McGinnis.
She also accused them of embezzling funds from the film's budget, engaging in retaliatory behavior after she raised concerns and trying to block the film's premiere at the Toronto Film Festival.
mark normand
Yikes.
joe rogan
Producers later filed a defamation suit against Wilson in Los Angeles.
Wilson then filed a countersuit that expanded on her sexual harassment and embezzlement allegations.
McInnis, McInnes?
Is it McInnes?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
McInnis publicly denied Wilson's claim that Ghost had sexually harassed her and then filed her own defamation suit against Wilson in Australia.
Wow.
So the lady she was saying was being sexually harassed filed a defamation suit against her.
mark normand
Another twist.
This is when it gets good.
Hollywood Reporter published leaked audio that allegedly captures members of Wilson's team discussing fake websites that would paint Ghost as a sex trafficking madam.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
In the recording, one person can be heard saying, we can't just do that.
Like, oh, she's a bitch.
She sucks.
McInnis Defamation Suit 00:15:13
joe rogan
It's like, it's got to be really, really heavy and connected to something that heavy.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Go to jail.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Go to jail.
mark normand
If canceling works, you can use it.
You can weaponize it.
joe rogan
She addressed the comp Wilson addressed the controversy in a series of Instagram stories.
She says, I was going to wait to take the stand, but the absolute bombardment on me as a person via heavily paid crisis PR firms recently has taken its toll, and it's impossible to say nothing, she wrote.
She also said, everyone who knows me knows I a true rebel.
Oh, she's a rebel because her name's Rebel.
I say it how it is.
Oh, wow.
Another post added, I am pretty strong in all caps.
And when push comes to shove, I'm going to get on the stand and tell it like it is.
Holy fuck, these people are fucking crazy.
mark normand
Scary stuff.
joe rogan
There's so many of these people that are just not just narcissists, but sociopaths at the same time.
mark normand
Right, right.
joe rogan
Narcissists and sociopath, and then recently hot.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
So it's like new powers.
mark normand
Exactly.
New powers.
joe rogan
New hot powers.
mark normand
You know who I'm loving, though, is this Doja cat.
joe rogan
What about her?
mark normand
So she's some pop star who I don't even know.
I'm an old boomer cleave, but she went after Timothy Chalamay when he made fun of ballet.
Did you see that whole thing?
joe rogan
Oh, and then she said she was just virtue signaling.
mark normand
Yes, which I commend her.
I'm like, she apologized.
She goes, I was just trying to get clicks.
I'm sorry.
unidentified
That's hilarious.
mark normand
That's great that she backtracked and she came clean.
I love that.
joe rogan
It is funny that she just admitted it.
She's probably high.
unidentified
She's probably high.
joe rogan
Like, what am I doing?
mark normand
Either way.
joe rogan
What the fuck's wrong with me?
mark normand
I'm on board.
We need more of that.
We need more people going, ah, fuck.
I was high.
joe rogan
You know, Louis C.K. said this about social media stuff.
He goes, it's just talk.
But the problem is it's written down.
Like, people say things all the time that aren't right.
They shouldn't have said it.
But when it's written down, it's like, oh, it's documented.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, and then everyone could read it forever.
He goes, but it's just talk.
It's just talk that you could read.
mark normand
That's true.
joe rogan
It is true.
mark normand
And it's in stone forever.
joe rogan
Forever.
mark normand
On the internet.
joe rogan
And people are never going to forget it.
You could say something retarded at a party when you were drunk and then call your buddy the next morning.
Bro, I don't know what the fuck I was saying.
mark normand
I'm sorry.
joe rogan
But if it's written on Twitter, they'll never let you forget it.
mark normand
Again, why kids can't fuck around.
They can't cut loose because they'll get written about.
joe rogan
They must be so paranoid.
mark normand
I feel bad for them.
They can't enjoy youth.
Youth is when you do stupid shit.
joe rogan
And when kids do get shamed, like it will, like, if something happens to you in high school.
mark normand
Oh, it's traumatizing.
joe rogan
It's traumatizing.
And you can go back to high school.
I remember going back to high school, like, years later, like driving by, and I would get nervous.
unidentified
Yes.
mark normand
Yeah, the same.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The same feeling that you got when you were going to school there.
mark normand
Totally.
joe rogan
And I didn't have a horrible high school.
mark normand
No, me neither.
unidentified
But still.
mark normand
Still, yeah.
joe rogan
Imagine if I did.
Imagine if something terrible went down in high school.
And I was there.
Like, oh, my God.
mark normand
Well, you see these poor girls who get bullied for being fat, then they become anorexic or whatever.
It goes all kinds of different ways.
Guys who got beat up, I got bullied pretty bad in school.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And that can fuck with your confidence forever.
mark normand
Of course.
joe rogan
There's some guys that get bullied in high school and they just never recover.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
Now you can do that on social media in two seconds and some kid will kill himself.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
It happens all the time.
joe rogan
And then there's like pylons that people do.
mark normand
Yes.
joe rogan
When comics do pylons, I'm like, good lord.
I have like a mental list of people that do pylons that I'm like, I'll never fuck with you again.
I don't want to ever talk to you.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
If I ever see you, I'm like, you're just, you're waiting to turn on people.
mark normand
It's strange.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
And as Bill Birds, they were all eating a shit sandwich out here.
Like, why do you have to make this harder?
joe rogan
Yeah.
mark normand
We're trying to be comedians.
It's like a crazy job to go for.
joe rogan
Well, one thing that they all have in common is they're all not doing well.
Like, it's all comics that are failing.
mark normand
I guess so.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then they're seeing all these other people that are taking off and doing really well.
Like when Shane, when they piled on Shane.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was because Shane's talented and they were really kind of scared of him.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
Because when someone like that guy could take off and now he has taken off and now they're fucked.
They can't say nothing.
And then we all remember.
unidentified
Of course.
joe rogan
Like, hey, you're the cunt that piled on.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
All that shit was going on with SNL.
mark normand
You got you.
He got mad at a comic for saying something inappropriate.
That's what we do.
joe rogan
Not only that, it was completely out of context.
He was pretending to be a person who'd never been in Chinatown before, who was a racist.
mark normand
Exactly.
joe rogan
That was his quote.
mark normand
But they could get him because he had a big gig.
He got a break.
So now we can take that away.
And that's kind of the root of it.
joe rogan
It's losers.
You know, it's not like Chris Rock's not trying to take people's gigs away.
You know what I mean?
mark normand
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
It's only losers.
It's only people that don't have anything going on.
mark normand
Well, Shane's got a, he's got it.
He's like fucking Buscemi and Billy Madison.
He's putting that lipstick on and he's got a list.
joe rogan
Good.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Good.
mark normand
He knows everybody.
joe rogan
Yeah, good.
Fuck those people.
You don't have to do anything to them, but just know them.
Know them for what they really are and never fuck with them again.
mark normand
Yeah, avoid them.
Just keep writing jokes.
Keep killing and live your life.
joe rogan
Keep killing.
You don't need those fuckers.
And there's always going to be people like that in every business, in every industry.
There's always people that aren't doing so well, that haven't got their life figured out.
They want to attack the people that do.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bro, why do we have beers?
What's up with the beers?
mark normand
I brought a few in if you want to.
joe rogan
Lone star.
mark normand
I don't like that Bud Light shit.
No offense.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
I don't mind it, but I'll prefer a lone star.
unidentified
Same.
mark normand
Cheers.
Hey, we're mixing liquors here.
joe rogan
My dogs finally went to sleep.
mark normand
Hallelujah.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, shit.
I was going to say something.
Doja Cat.
That was a good idea.
unidentified
Cunts.
joe rogan
A lot of cunts in the world.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But there's a lot of great people.
I think cunts are important because they make you appreciate nice people.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
If I didn't know any cunts, maybe I wouldn't like you.
mark normand
Right.
I see the cunts and I want to hug them.
I want to go, come on, what are we doing?
joe rogan
I do too, but it doesn't always happen.
You know, I made up with Marin.
mark normand
I heard.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
Good on you.
Well, the funny thing is you never really started anything.
It was all him.
joe rogan
But it's that thing.
It's like he wasn't doing so good.
And he's also separate from us.
mark normand
He's doing great.
He's in movies.
joe rogan
I know, but it's like he's not doing as well.
mark normand
I get it.
joe rogan
It's all comparative.
mark normand
It's so sad.
joe rogan
Comparison is the thief of joy.
mark normand
I agree, but he's in the Joker.
He's talking to Obama.
He's like, he's killing it.
joe rogan
He should be killing it.
But it's like people compare themselves to other people.
It's very toxic.
It's very bad.
mark normand
It is.
It is.
joe rogan
Compare yourself to who you were yesterday.
Do a better job.
unidentified
That's it.
joe rogan
Figure out what you fucked up yesterday.
Do better.
Compare yourself to your friends and get inspiration from it.
mark normand
Now, were you ever jealous of a guy?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
mark normand
And you go, I wouldn't mind taking that guy down or that gal.
joe rogan
No, no, I never thought.
mark normand
I don't have that instinct either.
joe rogan
I never wanted to take someone down, but I definitely have felt jealousy.
But then I realized that's a bitch feeling.
You know, and they're like, don't, like, you should be inspired.
mark normand
And nothing comes from it.
joe rogan
Nothing.
But it's also, I came from a martial arts background where you have to have people better than you or as good as you around or you won't get better.
Like if you're like in competition, so if you're competing against like elite people all over the country like I was doing when I was in high school and afterwards, if you don't have people in the gym that are better than you, you're going to get fucked up.
Like you need to be around the best people in the world.
Like I had national champions in my gym.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
And because of that, I had to rise to a very high level.
So they were very valuable to me.
mark normand
Sure.
joe rogan
So instead of like being jealous, like, why is he the champ and I'm not the champ?
Instead of that, you're like, I see what this guy's doing.
I see what he's going through.
I want to mirror his behavior.
I want to be inspired by him.
mark normand
Step it up.
joe rogan
And you can do that with comedy too.
With everything else.
mark normand
But I will say martial arts is more objective.
That guy pinned you.
That guy knocked you out.
This comedy thing is subjective.
And people go, I'm funnier than that guy.
And I'm like, I've never seen you kill.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
That's true.
That's true.
mark normand
That makes it harder.
That's why we love sports.
joe rogan
Right.
mark normand
There's an ending.
Oh, you got more points.
joe rogan
The basket goes in the net.
mark normand
Exactly.
joe rogan
The ball goes in the basket.
That's it.
mark normand
Yeah, yeah.
But that's the problem.
We're so tribal now that people vote the right way or they tweet the right thing, but they're still mean as shit.
Like, as Ari would say, good politics, bad people.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
I'd rather you tweet some horrible slur, but be a nice guy.
Our priorities are out of whack in society.
I think we're rewarding the wrong things.
joe rogan
Well, we're really confused because social media is not real.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
And it's not real human interaction.
It's not normal.
You're not supposed to be able to just write something and the people that respond just write something back.
It's supposed to be dialogue.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
People are supposed to communicate the way we're doing.
That's how normal people talk.
That way when someone says something nutty, instead of letting them go on for paragraph after paragraph, you go, no, no, that's not true.
I never said that.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
I never said that.
No, you're missing.
First of all, you're taking something that was sarcastic.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
And you're making it like a quote as if this is like what my real feelings were.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
And they kind of want it to be real, which is strange.
You know, they go, we hate racism.
I heard this thing where they're like, Bill Burr's a racist.
And somebody tweeted his wife's black.
And they were like, well, sometimes people marry black women to dominate them.
And you're like, give it up, man.
joe rogan
And then it's like, I don't know that relationship.
mark normand
Well, his wife tweeted after, shut the fuck up, bitch.
joe rogan
Good for her.
mark normand
And you're like, there you go.
joe rogan
Yeah, good for her.
mark normand
Just go oh shit.
joe rogan
But also, don't interact with those people.
Right.
It's not, these are not good faith conversations.
mark normand
So do you feel good?
I mean, it must be a load off with the Marin makeup.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was nice.
I never hated that guy.
And it was a nice conversation.
mark normand
It was good.
joe rogan
And we're going to get together when he's in town.
mark normand
Oh, my God.
This is amazing.
joe rogan
Break bread to have dinner.
I even invited him to the club.
I'm like, come, come to the club.
It's not what you think it is.
So it's just all walks of life.
There's a ton of lesbians and gay people.
It's like the most diverse fucking place on earth, but they're all talented.
It's only diverse by accident.
It's diverse just because the talented people all happen to be diverse.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
It's like UFC.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
It's like a Russian guy, a fucking Chinese guy, a white guy.
joe rogan
But that's what it's supposed to be.
It's supposed to be diversity is supposed to occur naturally if you just let the best people excel.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
Especially in something like comedy because there's no barrier to entry.
It's an open mic night.
All you have to do is write on a pad, come up with some ideas.
You don't have to have a lot of money to do it.
Everybody there that starts out is broke.
mark normand
Well, did you see those Oscars regulations?
joe rogan
Grace.
mark normand
That was a bummer because I'm a big movie guy, and that really bummed me out.
unidentified
Good.
joe rogan
Fuck the Oscars.
Who cares?
mark normand
I mean, I grew up watching it.
I love movies.
But like the Godfather, all these movies would never have been made.
Never.
Never.
joe rogan
There's a ton of movies that you could never make.
You never make Braveheart.
mark normand
Yeah.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Or Apocalypto.
Or what about all brown people?
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
Boys in the Hood.
There's no Asian guy in there.
And it's a great movie.
joe rogan
It's insane that you would have diversity quotas when you're talking about art because you're going to have a, what if you're doing a film about Scotland in the 1400s?
mark normand
Exactly.
joe rogan
You can't bring Asian people into the mix.
They weren't there.
mark normand
But now you got to write one in, like, oh, this Asian guy is the best doctor in Scotland.
And you're like, wait, what?
joe rogan
Yeah.
mark normand
It's the 1400s.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
If you're going to write a thing about feudal Japan, it's going to be all Japanese people.
mark normand
Squid games.
joe rogan
Right.
Squid games.
That's okay.
unidentified
Yeah.
That's okay.
mark normand
I love that show.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just like Sinners is okay.
Have a movie with all black people.
Like, it doesn't matter.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
It's just like, just make movies.
And if people like it, they like it.
But this idea of having a diversity quota where you have to think about that.
Because I've talked to friends that have pitched shows.
And when they pitch the show, like Bert was telling me this, he was pitching a show and they were like, where's the diversity?
And he's just like sitting there like, I don't know what to tell you.
It's a movie about Russians in Russia.
What are you fucking saying to me?
Where's the diversity?
What does that even fucking mean?
mark normand
I know.
joe rogan
It doesn't have to be diverse.
It just has to be good.
And then if you have enough good things, you're going to have diversity across all these different films.
mark normand
Yes.
joe rogan
Because there's going to be films about black ballerinas.
There's going to be films about people running in the Olympics in 1936 in Germany.
mark normand
Yes.
joe rogan
You're going to have films that cover all the bases.
mark normand
I know.
And let it just happen.
joe rogan
Let it happen.
mark normand
Let's just movie be good.
joe rogan
Just let people create what they want to create.
And then I think judging art is crazy anyway.
I think awards for art are crazy.
mark normand
It's all political, too.
joe rogan
It's just nuts.
mark normand
You know, oh, Corsesi wins for the departed.
That's not his best movie.
joe rogan
Like when they were doing the Golden Glows for podcasts, I'm like, good luck.
Get out of here with that.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
I didn't even submit.
unidentified
I heard.
joe rogan
I'm like, get out of here.
I'm not going to be a part of your bullshit.
Like, you can just decide who's the best and who's deciding.
Fuck off.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
Awards for art are just nuts.
mark normand
It doesn't work.
And then we all go, how'd they win?
Is that because of this?
Is he actually really good?
You know, and now you're questioning it and you can't even get into it.
joe rogan
Well, do you remember Siskel and Ebert?
mark normand
Yes.
joe rogan
Well, they were the guys.
mark normand
I love Siskel and Ebert.
joe rogan
I loved them too until I saw the outtakes and I realized they were both cunts.
mark normand
I know, but it was fun.
joe rogan
Going after each other.
unidentified
They hated each other.
mark normand
Those YouTube outtakes are amazing.
joe rogan
Amazing.
They fucking hated each other.
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
But that was a fun show.
Two thumbs up, though.
It was lighter.
joe rogan
Yes.
mark normand
It wasn't like this movie was racist.
joe rogan
Right, right.
mark normand
It was just like good or bad.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
They just judged it based on what they felt watching the movie.
And they had educated takes.
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But that's where a film, that's where, that's where that not awards for art, but recommendations for art by people that you appreciate.
mark normand
Yes.
I just picture the Academy going, damn, that's a good movie.
But, you know, isn't that a trans guy in a wheelchair?
And this one does that.
They used to do it with retards.
That was a big thing with Oscars.
It was like, oh, this guy's playing a tard.
We got to give it to him.
joe rogan
Exactly.
mark normand
And now it's more skin color based.
joe rogan
And then they got to Tropic Thunder where they never go full retard.
mark normand
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
They killed that genre.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
You never see people playing handicapped people in a film anymore.
mark normand
But that movie's great because it shows Robert Downey is in full black everything.
unidentified
Yes.
mark normand
And everybody's like, he nailed it.
joe rogan
I asked him about that.
I said, do you think you could do that movie today?
He goes, well, you could do it.
It'd be a fucking problem.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was the last guy to do Blackface and not get canceled.
mark normand
Yeah, and he fucking killed it.
joe rogan
Killed it.
It was amazing.
That movie was fucking amazing.
mark normand
It was amazing.
joe rogan
It had the last completely politically incorrect movie, and it is hilarious.
mark normand
I know.
It's so good.
joe rogan
You know who kills it in that movie?
Tom Cruise.
mark normand
Killed it as the crazy agent.
That dancing.
joe rogan
That guy's so good.
mark normand
He's good.
joe rogan
He's so good.
I was just talking the other day about that movie Collateral with Jamie Foxx when he played Batman.
mark normand
Great movie.
joe rogan
That movie.
I just watched it like a couple of months ago.
I was like, this movie's so fucking good.
mark normand
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He's so convincing.
Jamie Foxx Blackface 00:08:37
mark normand
So scary.
joe rogan
He's a complete psychopathic killer.
mark normand
Yeah, and there's not much going on, but those two together, the chemistry was amazing.
joe rogan
Well, when things happen, they're so crazy.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Like that scene in the alleyway where he shoots those two guys and trying to rob him.
mark normand
Great.
joe rogan
He's like, fuck yeah.
mark normand
Yeah.
And hats off to Jamie Foxx.
joe rogan
I mean, he's so good in that movie.
mark normand
He plays like a kind of a nerdy, scared guy, and then he can play Ray.
Yes.
joe rogan
That guy can do anything.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
He had a thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I love that guy.
He's great.
mark normand
He's a talent.
joe rogan
He's a super talented guy and a really nice guy.
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And I've met him off, like, I met him at a gas station once.
He was taking his daughter home from a martial arts class.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
And we were just pumping gas next to each other.
And some guy pulls up in one of those.
Have you ever seen those Resvani trucks?
Do you know what that is?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
It's a crazy, like, futuristic looking bulletproof car.
It's like a Resvani tank.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
mark normand
Pull it up.
joe rogan
Oh, it's cool looking.
mark normand
Is it electric?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
No, this is a long time ago before Electric Cars.
This was probably 2000.
Well, there were some Teslas, the real small ones that were based on the Lotus platform back then.
But this was like 2014 or 15 or something like that.
That thing.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
He pulled up in that.
That's Jamie Foxx's car.
mark normand
That's like a Batmobile kind of thing.
joe rogan
Exactly.
So he pulled up next to me.
And I was like, who's driving that fucking thing?
And Jamie Foxx got, what's up, Joe?
mark normand
What's up, Jamie?
joe rogan
What do you do?
But he's cool.
He's like a normal dude.
mark normand
Yeah, and he did it all.
He did stand-up.
He did it living color.
He had his own sitcom.
All in the movies.
joe rogan
Ultra-talented.
Can sing.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
He can act.
joe rogan
And he can act in comedy.
He can act in drama.
He can play a nerd.
He can play a killer.
He can play anything.
mark normand
I just re-watched Ray.
It's incredible.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
He kills that role.
joe rogan
How good is he singing it?
It's him singing.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
I didn't realize Ray was such a junkie.
joe rogan
Was he?
Yeah, that's right.
mark normand
Big heroin guy.
That's why he was all moving like that.
joe rogan
He was all wonked out on the H. You know, people say Stevie Ray Wonder can sing.
Or Stevie Wonder, rather, could sing?
mark normand
Can see.
joe rogan
Could see.
mark normand
I've heard that.
He catches it.
The microphone falls and he catches it.
So that's a big conspiracy theory.
But looking back, that's like such a gentle, light conspiracy compared to what the fuck we got going on today.
joe rogan
I know, right?
mark normand
Yeah, that Elvis is real.
Like, we used to have a fun, kind of playful conspiracy.
Yeah, yeah.
And then now it's all out of whack.
joe rogan
Now it's McCrone's got a dick.
mark normand
Exactly.
joe rogan
I've heard Erica Kirk's got a dick.
I've heard that one.
mark normand
Whoa, she seems thrilled right now.
joe rogan
She's an odd duck.
mark normand
She's a Kook for sure.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen the compilation of her making crazy eyes?
mark normand
No.
joe rogan
There's a video of her making demon eyes, and every time she makes the eyes, the music...
It's so ridiculous.
mark normand
She's possessed.
joe rogan
Well, she just gets intense.
mark normand
She's like the guy.
What's the gang gang guy?
What's that guy?
Oh my God.
Look at that.
She looks like a television.
joe rogan
Give me some volume.
She's talking to Barry Weiss.
mark normand
There you go.
joe rogan
Watch this.
Pay attention to her eyes.
bari weiss
Charlie said or believed things that they believed were controversial or even hateful, that he somehow had it coming.
What do you say to people who justified you're sick?
erika kirk
He's a human being.
mark normand
Oh, boy.
joe rogan
Exactly when Barry is saying, they basically said that because Charlie said or believed.
mark normand
All right, we don't need the Vincent.
That's not enough for you.
joe rogan
That's not the one that I wanted to hear.
mark normand
Okay.
But yeah, she seems, she's having a good time.
Well, she was on a reality show, you know.
unidentified
Yes.
mark normand
So she's a star fucker.
joe rogan
A little bit.
unidentified
Maybe.
joe rogan
She was also in some weird CIA documents or CIA films.
mark normand
Is that right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You ever seen those films?
mark normand
No, no.
joe rogan
See if you can find those films.
There's some weird, like, internal films that they made that she was a part of.
mark normand
She looks like if a pageant lady, a pageant girl, was grown up.
joe rogan
100%.
mark normand
Yeah, look at that.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, I mean, she essentially was a pageant lady.
mark normand
Oh, really?
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
Wasn't she in Miss USA or one of those things?
mark normand
I don't know, maybe.
joe rogan
Wasn't she, Jamie?
mark normand
She got that kind of face.
Oh, I don't know.
joe rogan
Well, there's a thing that people want, right?
That attention fame thing.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That is what they really want.
Okay, so Jamie will find it.
mark normand
She's got fireworks behind her.
She's wild.
joe rogan
Erica Kirk CIA video releases Serious Questions.
jamie vernon
That's the one I just played.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
It had a five-second clip, and the rest was not.
joe rogan
Oh, but the full video is out there.
I watched it.
And it's very weird.
jamie vernon
So it's the same video.
joe rogan
So see if you play it.
It's about EMP attacks and power grids.
jamie vernon
The whole rest of this was not that clip.
joe rogan
None of it?
jamie vernon
Nope.
mark normand
Well, a gig's a gig.
I think if you're a struggling actor, you take any kind of employee video or whatever.
joe rogan
I guarantee you that video is out there.
I mean, no one could have pulled it.
Well, there's the Jimmy Door video there.
Here it is.
Here it is.
Look at this.
erika kirk
Extremely vulnerable that we've presented to congressional officials.
One being cyber, two being hackers, three being physical threats.
Fourth one is solar EMP.
And the fifth one is man-made EMP.
So the concern that we have is that we put out this critical information, and when we go over this risk analysis, they hear what we're saying, but they don't want to take action.
unidentified
Take action.
mark normand
Well, there are 18 critical infrastructures.
jamie vernon
It's weird, but very weird.
joe rogan
She's doing a CIA informational video.
unidentified
Weird.
jamie vernon
Acting gig, or is this something else?
joe rogan
Perhaps.
Or, you know, but even so.
You're doing an acting gig for the CIA.
Who calls you for that?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you ever get one of those calls?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
No, I've never got one of those calls.
mark normand
And my agent never hit me with that one.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's odd.
Well, there's a lot of people that think that she was his handler.
So it was Charlie Kirk's handling.
But of course, there's a lot of people that think I have antlers.
mark normand
Yeah.
Well, you got about nine Navy SEALs out there.
joe rogan
They're my friends.
They're not handlers.
I know those guys.
mark normand
Okay.
Tough dudes.
joe rogan
They are tough dudes.
mark normand
They know some stuff.
joe rogan
There's a lot of kooks out there, bro.
unidentified
That's true.
mark normand
I mean, you just had a shooter on 6th Street.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
Finally, a guy in Austin kills.
Only with three people, though.
We don't have to get to the Austin, New York debate.
joe rogan
That's a stupid day.
mark normand
It's all silly.
What are we doing?
joe rogan
Louis J. Gomez getting involved in these things.
Settle down.
mark normand
Yeah, yeah.
Just more comedy, the better.
Keep putting it in every city.
joe rogan
I know, right?
mark normand
Yeah.
Give me more good clubs.
joe rogan
How is New York these days?
mark normand
New York's good.
I mean, we're humming.
We got all these clubs opening up still.
War opening?
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
War opening.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
It's crazy.
And comedy's hot, as you know.
Comedy has been.
joe rogan
The more fucked up the world is, the more hot comedy is.
mark normand
That's probably true.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But it's legitimized now.
You know, everybody takes it seriously.
Before, you were kind of a clown.
Now they're like, oh, let's go see some comedy and listen to them talk about Iran.
joe rogan
Well, I think one of the things that helped is podcasts because people hear comics talk about it and they realize like, oh, these are thinking people that are going through this very bizarre art form that doesn't have a playbook.
mark normand
Yes.
And we have no rules.
Now Oscars have all these rules.
We will never have rules.
And if we do, the whole art form is fucked.
joe rogan
Well, they've tried to put rules in in certain clubs and those clubs always fall apart.
mark normand
That's true.
joe rogan
You know, you can't do that.
mark normand
Well, it's so fucking gay because they're all like, we love Richard Pryor.
I'm like, if he was around today, you'd hate him.
unidentified
Right.
mark normand
He hit his wife.
He was a drug addict.
He was a psycho.
joe rogan
Kinnison.
mark normand
Kinnison.
joe rogan
One of the fucking greatest comics that's ever lived.
Completely out of his mind.
And also the best example of someone who did not punch up.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He punched down all the time.
He punched down about starving people in Africa.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
I love.
Where do we decide punching down was not funny?
joe rogan
They're stupid.
mark normand
It's hilarious.
joe rogan
I had a guy once that was a professor that taught comedy, and he wrote a book on comedy.
And he tried to tell me that punching down is never funny.
I go, that is wrong.
mark normand
That doesn't make sense.
joe rogan
You're wrong.
I go, because Sam Kinnison, one of the greatest bits of all time, was him doing a bit about the starving people in Africa.
unidentified
Right.
mark normand
Yeah, it's a legendary bit.
David Tell has 18 minutes on midgets.
That's literally punching down.
Like, they're little, but it's funny.
If it's funny, it's funny.
joe rogan
If it's funny, it's funny.
And sometimes it's funny because it's wrong.
mark normand
Yes.
joe rogan
Sometimes it's funny.
It's like, oh my God, what are he saying?
mark normand
Exactly.
I know.
joe rogan
Or Holtzman.
mark normand
Holtzman, hilarious.
joe rogan
Perfect example.
People try to take Holtzman literally.
I've seen comics complain about the mothership because they let a guy come up and say these things.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
What guy?
Brian Holtzman?
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
Like, talk to Brian Holtzman offstage.
It's Jekyll and Hyde.
mark normand
Completely.
Nicest guy in the world.
joe rogan
Sweetheart of a guy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Friendly.
Loves everybody.
Super kind.
mark normand
He's like a camp counselor.
He's wearing a polo and slacks.
joe rogan
The nicest fella.
Punching Down Midgets 00:03:53
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
On stage, he becomes this character that he's created over the years.
And it's amazing.
mark normand
But we do the hierarchy thing.
And by that logic, I should be able to make fun of Asians because they're doing the best.
joe rogan
They are doing the best.
mark normand
Asians are number one, then honky, and then who knows.
But so by that logic, I should be able to do a Ching Chong, whatever.
joe rogan
Right.
mark normand
Because, you know, by your logic, hey, I'm punching up.
joe rogan
Right.
mark normand
They're killing it.
joe rogan
They are, especially academically.
I mean, they're killing it so hard that they've made rules to try to eliminate Asian people from universal college.
Yes, there's fucking lawsuits about it.
They made it more difficult.
They have to get higher scores.
mark normand
That's crazy.
joe rogan
It's not because they kill it.
They work so hard.
mark normand
But what a crazy kind.
Hey, you look like that guy.
We got too many of you guys who look like this.
joe rogan
You're trying too hard.
It's like a union job.
Hey, slow down.
Right, right.
You're fucking it up for the rest of us.
mark normand
But yeah, let them keep killing it.
Let them be smart and invent shit and run the country.
I don't care.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Make it so that, you know, there's a legitimate competition where the other people realize, okay, we're not working as hard.
They're working harder.
We got to catch up.
mark normand
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You can't just slow them down and remove them.
Too many Asians in Harvard.
Fuck you.
unidentified
Yes.
mark normand
That's why Japan, you can leave a Rolex on a bench.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mark normand
Because they're better in a lot of ways.
Let them be better.
We don't all have to be the same.
joe rogan
You know, that's the same thing about Dubai.
A buddy of mine moved to Dubai and he said, he's black, and he was saying that in America, he goes, dude, I go to a nightclub.
I worry about being shot.
He goes, there's none of that there.
And he goes, and if you could just leave a diamond, like a diamond ring on the ground, somebody will pick it up and turn it into the police.
Damn, there's no theft.
mark normand
How do they do that?
Is that cultural?
Is that raised better?
What is that?
joe rogan
Laws, hardcore laws.
They have monarchs.
They have kings.
They have a king over there.
And he's like, you can't fuck around.
There's no fucking around.
If you fuck around, they will lock you up.
And that's it.
And there's no if-ands or buts.
There's no social justice warriors.
There's no people that are going to give you no cash bail and let you out because, you know, oh my God, the system's racist.
No, no, no, no.
You commit a crime, you go to fucking jail.
So nobody goes to jail because nobody commits crimes.
mark normand
Damn, is that what it is?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
You fuck around over there.
Like, there's an American lady went over there and she got in arguments with people at the airport.
And they're like, you're going to jail.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
Locked her up.
She was yelling at people.
She was trying to do the thing they do at Spirit Airlines in America.
Like, uh-uh.
Not here.
mark normand
Well, the fist fights on airplanes has gone up from if you go 1960 to 2025, it's got to be up 8,000%.
joe rogan
What happened?
mark normand
I don't know.
What happened?
joe rogan
What happened?
Why we lose our fucking marbles?
mark normand
Maybe because flights got cheaper and you get bus people on a flight.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Right?
Bus people were the people who were cutting people's heads off on the fucking interstate truck.
mark normand
Yeah, I assume that's what it is.
Because back in the day, they wore a suit and they had a cocktail and they smoked.
But taking a flight back then was a big game.
joe rogan
You ever traveled by bus?
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I did a few bus gigs back in the day because my car broke down.
I didn't have any money.
And so I had to travel by bus.
mark normand
It hurts.
joe rogan
The people you have to hang out with.
It's like the dregs of society.
We're on these greyhounds.
mark normand
It really.
You know where else you see that is I still do the free breakfast at the Holiday Inn.
Oh, the characters you see in there.
It's like a family, then it's a guy with a neck tattoo, an ex-con, a tweaky meth guy, and then me.
joe rogan
I was watching a video about how people that don't stay in that hotel sneak into these hotels.
mark normand
I used to do that.
joe rogan
Did you?
mark normand
Yeah, they just walk right in.
You got pajama pants on.
You pull an all-nighter, you go get the free breakfast.
They're not going to stop you.
They assume you're staying there.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, I just want to make it nice for everybody.
mark normand
Yeah, you can make a waffle.
joe rogan
Yeah, but staying in a shitty hotel teaches you a lot about humans.
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mark normand
That's true.
joe rogan
That's what road gigs are really good for.
You meet the people that are working the fucking counter.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
Sad.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Frowny-faced dude working the counter.
mark normand
The crazy ones are those, like, what do they call it when you like, you can kind of live there?
They have a kitchenette.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
mark normand
You know, the extended stays.
Yeah, there's like dogs everywhere, and it's like people making crack on the stove and shit.
joe rogan
You know who's in a hotel now?
Mickey Rourke.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's in a hotel in Hollywood now.
He got evicted.
He doesn't have any money anymore.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's a sad story.
mark normand
Oh, he was a hot guy and a great actor.
joe rogan
Oh, he was great.
mark normand
Rumblefish.
joe rogan
Oh, my God, dude.
So many films.
Angel WrestleMania.
mark normand
Yes.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
mark normand
So good.
joe rogan
He was incredible.
Well, Wrestler was when he was making a comeback.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
So he made a comeback for a little bit.
He was an Iron Man, remember?
He was great.
But, you know, I don't know, man.
I think.
mark normand
He got a lot of work done.
joe rogan
He did.
But he made it after he got a lot of work done.
He's still the comeback, the wrestler and everything was after the work.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, but the thing was, like, he did a lot of boxing.
mark normand
Oh.
joe rogan
Remember, like, he didn't like the fact that he was like a big actor.
He wanted to be more of like a real person and a man.
So he started having fights.
So he's having like legitimate boxing matches.
Allegedly legitimate.
Some of them look sus.
Sure.
Some of them look like people laid down.
But when you think about that, if he's sparring, so he was sparring like James Toney and like real people, you're probably getting the fucking brains beaten out of him.
And he probably went a little squirrely.
mark normand
Yeah, CT is no joke.
joe rogan
It's no joke, dude.
mark normand
It'd be the Aaron Hernandez, all these guys.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Oh, a lot of these MMA fighters that I talked to.
Like, you know, they're struggling.
mark normand
Yeah.
Who are these ladies who are like, oh, I'll date this guy?
joe rogan
Because they're exciting and dangerous.
That's why.
mark normand
Dangerous.
They'll fucking hang you.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
I think he hung himself, actually.
joe rogan
Who hung himself?
mark normand
Aaron Hernandez.
joe rogan
In jail, right?
But he had killed a bunch of people already.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was killing people while he was in the NFL.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was a wild motherfucker.
But then they said when they checked his CTE after he was dead, like, yeah, like some of the worst CT they've ever seen.
unidentified
Really?
Yeah.
joe rogan
His brain was gone.
mark normand
Well, there you go.
joe rogan
A friend of mine who has CTE was explaining it to me.
And the way the doctor was explaining to him, like, most people have several steps to go to before they lose control of their impulses.
Like, you have an initial thought, and then your brain comes in and goes, don't do that.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then there's another one.
It ramps up a little bit.
This is getting serious, but let's not get out of hand.
But someone with CTE, first initial thought, right into DEF CON 5.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
They just immediately go.
mark normand
No buffer.
joe rogan
No buffer.
No impulse control.
Cocaine, women, whiskey.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Whatever it is.
Like the most, especially with booze, you add booze, loss of inhibition.
mark normand
Yep.
joe rogan
No impulse control.
Shoot out with the cops.
You know, it's like right to the worst case scenario.
mark normand
Remember that Bill Burr bit?
He's like, I'm driving down the street.
I see a bunch of people on the sidewalk.
Just a quarter-inch turn to the right.
I'll just mow them all down.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
You have that thought, but then you don't do it.
joe rogan
Everybody has those thoughts.
Yeah.
mark normand
You go up on top of a building and you're like, I could jump.
You have that for a second, then you pull back.
joe rogan
Some people just don't have it.
mark normand
I guess so.
joe rogan
Especially.
Well, brain damage is basically like, think about if you have a fucked up phone.
Like, I dropped my phone once and I was in Hawaii and it just started calling people.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
I was showing my wife.
Like, look at this.
This is crazy.
Like, you hang up, calls another person.
Hang up, it was just broken.
mark normand
Whoa.
joe rogan
So that's your brain.
mark normand
Right.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
All the wires are all fucked up, and you got holes in there.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
CTE and chronic traumatic encephalopathy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, your hormones are all fucked up.
Your cortisol is all fucked up.
mark normand
You got to put their head in rice.
joe rogan
And you're just like, all of a sudden, you're just running through red lights.
You don't even know why you're doing it.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
Probably kind of fun in the middle of it.
joe rogan
Probably not.
You're probably like, am I in control of my own destiny?
I'm not.
mark normand
Oof, man.
Yeah, we're lucky we're Sam.
I mean, you've taken a lot of blows.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
Mentally and physically.
joe rogan
I have the right amount of brain damage.
Oh, not worried about things.
mark normand
That's good.
joe rogan
I don't concern myself about things that I think would cripple a lot of people.
mark normand
Right.
Interesting.
joe rogan
I think it makes me a little more fearless.
mark normand
Yeah, it's like autism.
If you have just the right amount, you're a genius.
joe rogan
A touch of the tism.
mark normand
A touch.
joe rogan
Just a touch.
mark normand
Yes.
joe rogan
You don't want to be nonverbal, but you want to be really good at math.
mark normand
Yeah, yeah.
It's almost like blind guys who can fucking do other shit.
joe rogan
Right.
Like they hear better.
mark normand
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like echolocation.
mark normand
There you go.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
I mean, Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think I have just enough brain damage.
mark normand
That's very interesting because you wonder how could you do this for so long and do comedy and do UFC and drink and smoke weed and all run a club.
You got a lot of iron and kids and a wife and a fucking dog and you got J-Mo and cars.
You got a lot of plates spinning.
joe rogan
But I'm still just me because I don't have to ever be anybody but me.
mark normand
But you also do a ton of work on you.
You do the fucking cold plunge, the sauna, the working out, the kicking, the fighting, the comedy.
joe rogan
That helps.
That's, I always tell everybody that's going through anything like difficult in your life, do something more difficult voluntarily, and it makes the difficult thing easy.
And so, like, a career in the public eye is very difficult psychologically.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
So, do something.
Like, my workouts are way harder than anything I ever experienced in my regular life.
mark normand
And you do it to yourself.
joe rogan
Yeah, I do it to myself.
mark normand
That's the key.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So that when I'm done, like, I can kind of tolerate a lot.
Like, if you do jiu-jitsu, like I do jiu-jitsu for, what, 25, 28 years or something like that?
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, just doing that all the time is so hard that the rest of the world seems easy.
mark normand
But weren't you beaten as a kid?
unidentified
No, not.
mark normand
I thought you got hit a few times.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
mark normand
Or your mom got hit?
unidentified
Yeah.
Okay.
joe rogan
Not me.
Not me.
mark normand
That could have scrambled some stuff.
joe rogan
It definitely did.
Well, it made me more attuned to the potential of domestic violence, which scares the shit out of me.
But I got hit a lot.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
But in fighting.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
I mean, I started training when I was 15.
Seriously.
mark normand
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
So for all my formative years, I was getting my brains punched.
mark normand
Whoa.
joe rogan
You know, I was getting kicked.
I was getting punched.
mark normand
Have you thought about getting like, that'd be cool to get a real brain scan exam on you?
joe rogan
I don't want to know what's in there.
mark normand
All right.
All right.
Just keep writing it out.
benjamin netanyahu
I don't want to know.
mark normand
Because it's going well.
joe rogan
It's going well.
Yeah.
So I leave it alone.
But I think like you have to have tools for managing stress.
And one of the best tools, I think, is voluntary adversity.
Where you force yourself because it gives you discipline and you understand that you can control a lot of the way you think and a lot of the way you behave by your actions.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
And it's also like, I don't want to do it every time.
Like today, today I got in the cold plunge and I was, every time I do it, I'm trying to figure out ways that I could talk myself out of doing it.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
And then I have one part of my brain that's talking like a bitch, and the other part of my brain is like, shut the fuck up.
You're just going to do it.
You're not even going to think about it.
You're not going to hesitate.
You're just going to lift the lid off of that thing.
You're going to set the timer.
You're going to slide into that 34-degree water and you're just going to fucking sit there.
And you're not going to bitch and complain.
You're just going to breathe and don't overreact.
Just deal with it.
mark normand
And it keeps you in reality.
joe rogan
Yes.
mark normand
This is real.
I'm freezing.
unidentified
Or you die.
mark normand
You could die.
joe rogan
You die.
mark normand
Or you're lifting weights.
You're like, this sucks.
joe rogan
This sucks.
mark normand
I'm doing it.
joe rogan
When you're doing sprints on the air dye machine, it sucks.
mark normand
Well, also, the society, the population is more comfortable than ever.
I mean, you got Uber Eats, you got Netflix, you got all these comforts.
So they're going the other way.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
And then we're kind of decaying.
joe rogan
There's a guy named Michael Easter.
He's been on my podcast before.
He wrote a book called The Comfort Crisis.
Great book.
mark normand
Oh, there you go.
joe rogan
He's a professor in UNLV, I think.
But he talks about it from a perspective of how to really manage and balance out life.
And that comfort is your enemy.
It really is.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's 100% your enemy.
There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
Like the desire to constantly be comfortable, it doesn't get you anywhere in life, and it doesn't make you happy.
You think you're going to be happy if you're comfortable?
You're not.
mark normand
No.
joe rogan
You got to be comfortable sometimes, but you have to earn that comfort.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
I still watch TV.
Like I told you, I watched that guy cook fucking an ostrich.
He baked an ostrich.
mark normand
That's crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I watched the whole thing.
I'm sitting there like a moron.
Yeah.
Because the world's on fire.
I'm like, let me watch this guy cook in Azerbaijan and go super.
mark normand
But it's better to watch that than Love is Blind or some horseshit.
joe rogan
I can't watch those things.
mark normand
I can't either.
joe rogan
I don't like watching people behave badly.
mark normand
I feel myself being dumber.
I feel slower after watching.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I like watching interesting things about space.
I was watching something about the James Webb Telescope and what they're finding out now.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
Some new guy that has some theory about how the universe is not expanding.
I'm fascinated by really interesting things and just people doing things that they love to do.
mark normand
Well, Jimmy Carr said the key to life is two words.
Prioritize later.
And that's big.
You don't want to exercise, but you do it so you're healthy.
Yeah, you know, you don't want to eat healthy or eat right.
You want the pizza, you want the Snickers, but you think about later.
unidentified
Right.
mark normand
And I think that's a big one.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You want your comedy to do well.
You got to write.
mark normand
You got to write.
joe rogan
Sit down in front of that fucking computer or the notebook and just concentrate.
And then do those sets that you don't.
Some of the best sets that I've ever had are the ones where I'm sitting at home going, Can I get an excuse to not do this?
mark normand
Of course.
joe rogan
I would be in my house not wanting to go to the store.
Yes, I don't want to do it.
And then I would kill.
mark normand
And you're always happy you did it every single time.
joe rogan
Every time.
mark normand
Every time.
I'm a big introvert.
So I would always go, I can't go to that party or that thing sounds annoying.
But if I go, I'm like, that was great.
I agree.
joe rogan
It's weird that you're an introvert.
Big and so, but you're so good publicly.
mark normand
Well, I mean, we do an art form that's pre-written.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mark normand
So.
joe rogan
But you're also good like this.
mark normand
But it's me and you.
joe rogan
But you're also good in interviews and like Good Morning America.
One of those things.
mark normand
Well, I'm fucking around.
I'm like, I'm a little people.
joe rogan
But you know what I'm saying?
Like, you're really good at those.
mark normand
But I can do a one-on-one, but in a group setting, I'm a mess.
It's not pretty.
And I sit at home and I go, I can't go.
I can't.
What if I say something stupid?
Nobody likes me.
I'm annoying.
And then everything tells me to stay home, but I just push it.
joe rogan
But don't you think it's healthier to have that perspective?
Like, oh, people are going to hate me.
Then everybody loves me.
mark normand
Of course.
Yeah.
I don't want to be that guy.
joe rogan
That doesn't work.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
That's like whenever I talk to people, they say I get an imposter syndrome.
I go, good.
That means you're healthy.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Everybody who's doing really well gets imposter syndrome.
unidentified
Right, right.
mark normand
David Tell thinks he's a hack.
He's the funniest guy on the planet.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
Everybody who's really killing it in life at a certain point in time goes, this doesn't make any sense.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why am I even doing well?
Why is this so good?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mark normand
But no, do we are we just blessed in that way that we hate ourselves or are insecure?
Or are we do we have to find that out?
Well, because I'm jealous of the guy who's cool and collected.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they're probably jealous of you because you're talented.
I think that the thing about it is it's like if you really believe you're something better than you are, that prevents you from getting better than you could be.
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mark normand
I agree.
Yeah, yeah.
If you think you're great, you're fixing something and you go, that's good.
I did it.
And then it falls apart.
joe rogan
We all remember that from like the beginnings of our career, like there's guys that thought they killed.
mark normand
Yes, yes.
joe rogan
And they were terrible.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They were bombing.
No one was laughing.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
And you're like, oh, that was a great set.
You're like, what did you hear?
mark normand
You see all these 400-pound skanks who are like, I'm a 10.
You're like, what are you kidding?
You're an ogre.
joe rogan
Right.
mark normand
But, you know.
joe rogan
But that's that weird, those shows where they sit those ladies down.
And I don't like those shows.
mark normand
I don't like those either.
They're too mean to the gals.
But and like, I'd be called everybody skanks.
But I'm not going to just say that to a woman's face or whatever.
So those make me uncomfortable.
joe rogan
Yeah, even the gals that deserve it.
I'm like, oh, God, just don't talk to them.
Don't do that to them.
mark normand
No, no, no.
joe rogan
But people love it.
They love it when people get shut down.
mark normand
They really do.
joe rogan
They love it.
They love it when a really stupid person with like delusional perspective talks to a genius.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just annihilated.
mark normand
I know, but I'd feel icky leaving that studio.
joe rogan
Oh, I would.
I feel icky watching it.
Even like the little clips.
I'm like, oh, what are you doing to that poor lady?
mark normand
I know.
joe rogan
Some of them deserve it.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
Arguably.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, they have ridiculous perspectives.
Their vocabulary sucks and they try to use it anyway.
mark normand
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And look, maybe they should be.
It's like cops.
I see them shutting criminals down and I'm like, thank God they're here because I don't want to do it.
I would never want to imagine giving someone a parking ticket.
Oh, I'd kill myself.
joe rogan
How about pulling someone over and thinking they're going to shoot you?
mark normand
Well, that's a whole nother thing.
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're all those guys have PTSD.
mark normand
How could you not?
joe rogan
I was talking to a friend of mine who worked for the Austin PD, and he said, listen, Matt, and he was in the, he served overseas and was deployed several times.
And he said, I saw way more shit working for the police department than I ever saw overseas.
mark normand
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Way more murders, way more crime, way more dead bodies.
Oh, way more fucked up behavior.
mark normand
And then we shit on them.
We go, defund them.
They fuck cops, ACAB or whatever.
And I'm like, we need them.
We need those guys.
joe rogan
More of that stupid virtue signaling because those people remember that lady who was the mayor of Chicago was like all about defund the police.
Meanwhile, she had her block shut down.
She had armed guards with her everywhere.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Come on, lady.
mark normand
Yeah, and I get it.
Cops aren't perfect.
We got to have different money allotted to certain things or whatever.
joe rogan
They need to be trained better for sure.
mark normand
Yeah, but you can't just shit on this guy.
He's taking bullets to the head just so we can be safe.
joe rogan
It's literally one of the most important jobs in a functioning society is to stop criminals from ruining everything for everybody else.
And the only shield between us and them is police officers.
If you don't appreciate that, you just don't know.
You're either delusional, you're arrogant, whatever it is.
You should go on a ride-along.
A lot of people that have been on ride-alongs, they go on ride-alongs.
I haven't been on one.
I should just say that right away, but I know enough cops.
I've talked to them.
But if you go on a ride-along, you'll go, oh, these guys are dealing with this for decades.
Not just one night, not just a couple of nights.
Decades of fucking chaos.
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
Worst because it's a good job.
You could pay your mortgage.
You can raise a family.
And you come out of the military.
What you're going to do.
You get a job in the police force.
mark normand
And you feel good, probably.
You go, I'm helping.
I'm saving lives.
joe rogan
A lot of times you are helping.
A lot of times you're stopping bad guys.
mark normand
Well, I've noticed a lot of people who hate cops are very cop-like.
These people are like, defund the police.
And they're like, don't do that joke.
Don't say that word.
You're like a cop.
joe rogan
Right.
mark normand
You know, it does a lot of that.
Like, a lot of people who hate Trump, I noticed, are a lot like Trump.
Like, I'm not a Trump guy, but these people are like, they're also kind of a narcissist and an egomaniac.
And I'm like, you're like him.
joe rogan
Like girls who are promiscuous who talk shit about girls fucking other guys.
mark normand
Right, right.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
That's always the case.
mark normand
Always.
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
There's always people like that.
mark normand
I think you hate yourself.
Yeah.
Kind of.
Like, like Jew Palestine.
They look the same.
They're not that different.
joe rogan
I did joke about that.
unidentified
No way.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I said, when I look at Israel versus Palestine, I go, it's like the Williams sisters playing each other in tennis.
I go, who the fuck is who?
I go, there's a brown-skinned guy with dark curly hair throwing rocks at a brown-skinned guy with dark curly hair holding the machine gun.
mark normand
Exactly.
joe rogan
What the fuck?
mark normand
I have a similar bit about how the people who hate each other the most, they look alike.
Like Ireland's been fighting.
North Korea, South Korea.
Runs in the Crips.
joe rogan
North Korea to South Korea is the best example.
mark normand
It goes on for days.
joe rogan
Yeah, they hate each other.
You're literally in the same patch of dirt.
mark normand
Russian literature.
joe rogan
You look exactly the same.
mark normand
You look the same.
joe rogan
You look the same.
mark normand
I know.
Women.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
They hate each other.
joe rogan
A lot of them do.
Competition, though.
unidentified
I know.
mark normand
That's primal shit.
joe rogan
They all want prime dick.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They all get mad.
Someone's getting the prime dick.
mark normand
Hot girl walks into a party.
My wife hates her.
joe rogan
Really?
mark normand
She's like, fuck this bitch.
I'm like, she's nice.
She gives to the poor.
She's charitable.
And she's like, I hate her.
joe rogan
One of my wife's friends got super upset because someone showed up at her wedding.
It was a date.
This guy brought a date, and the date was super hot, and she had her tits out.
And this lady was furious.
mark normand
Yeah, it goes, it's innate.
joe rogan
She just overdid it.
mark normand
Right, right.
Exactly.
joe rogan
Listen, that lady could show up with a fucking job of the hut outfit on.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
You would hate her.
unidentified
She's hot.
joe rogan
She's hot.
She could have a cloak.
She could be dressed like a monk.
You'd hate her.
mark normand
She's beautiful.
In college, I lived with a guy who was 6'9.
He's just like this big, beefy, Midwestern football player guy.
And every bar we go to, guys would try to fight him.
joe rogan
Of course.
mark normand
He was like a Birkenstock wearing kind of weed-smoking guy.
And every guy's like, you got a problem?
You think you're tough?
You think you're hot shit?
You think you're better than me?
And he's like, dude, I'm just sitting here drinking.
And he would have to fight these guys.
joe rogan
Bro, I've seen that happen with MMA fighters.
Pizzagate Patterns 00:05:43
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
People won't try to pick fights with MMA fighters.
They get drunk and they're retarded and they just think, oh, fuck this guy up.
Yes.
mark normand
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Stupid.
There's a lot of morons in this world.
It's too easy to survive.
It's too easy to be a moron.
We need wolves in the streets.
We need predators everywhere.
We need a real fear of the consequences of your actions.
mark normand
Yeah, that's why animals stay in line.
joe rogan
Exactly.
mark normand
You know, we talk all this shit about animals, but they're like, they're keeping it there.
They got gender roles.
They're doing all the shit we're not supposed to do.
joe rogan
Not a lot of non-binary wolves.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They don't make it.
mark normand
The male penguin gets the fish.
The female watches the eggs.
If he was like, I want to be a graphic designer, fuck this shit.
Like, it would collapse.
joe rogan
Exactly.
mark normand
It would all fall apart.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The idea of gender roles.
Like, you know, I had this lady on who was explaining the roots of feminism.
It was the strangest conversation because she was talking about how all these people that started radical feminism were all completely fucked up.
They were all out of their fucking minds.
They're all like having all these affairs, not raising their kids, like completely self-obsessed.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And they're the ones who tricked all these women into being girl bosses.
mark normand
Oh, wow.
Anytime someone is too outlandish about something, there's always a trigger for that.
There's always a reason.
No matter what it is.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mark normand
I'm going to take down these pedophiles.
And you're like, what's in your basement?
unidentified
Right.
mark normand
You know?
I mean, I'm against pedophiles.
joe rogan
Well, have you seen like when they did this when Pizzagate was happening?
It was all these people that debunked Pizzagate.
Four of the journalists that debunked Pizzagate got arrested for either child sex crimes or child porn.
unidentified
Wow.
mark normand
There you go.
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
Guys are like, this is an unfounded conspiracy theory.
This is all bullshit.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
They were pervs.
mark normand
It's like the same with Bill Cosby.
Why is he so gung-ho about you pulling your pants off, speaking right, don't curse?
There's something behind it.
There's always something behind it.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
He's the best example, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
Ellen.
Ellen is up there.
Be kind.
I'm dancing.
And then she's the coups of the year.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, I knew about that a long time ago because Fitzsimmons worked for her.
mark normand
Yeah, that's right.
He told everybody.
joe rogan
Oh, he told everybody.
He told me like fucking decades ago.
He's like, she's such a cunt.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
I was like, really?
Ellen?
I was shocked.
mark normand
I, me too.
joe rogan
He's like, she seems so sweet.
She seems so nice.
He's like, dude, she's fucking horrible to her staff.
She's horrible to everybody.
I'm like, wow.
Wow.
mark normand
There you go.
Everybody loved her.
joe rogan
During the pandemic, when everybody was bored before it all came out.
So I was like, hey, let me tell you something about that lady.
mark normand
But one interesting takeaway is the fact that she was kind of canceled for being gay in the 90s.
And she came out of it and became a star.
And then she got canceled for being mean.
That's progress.
joe rogan
Yeah, but people celebrated her because she got canceled for being gay.
They canceled her show.
Isn't that nuts?
Like, you could get a show on the air now if you were playing a gay character.
Right.
They'd be like, ooh, diversity.
mark normand
Yes.
joe rogan
This is like going to get green lit.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
Well, it's funny how that gay used to be the ultimate insult when I was in high school.
And now I got friends like, tell them I'm by.
I'm trying to fit in.
So it went from an insult to like a cool thing.
joe rogan
I'm pansexual.
That's my favorite.
mark normand
Yes.
joe rogan
I'll fuck everybody.
That's what it is.
I'm attracted to everybody.
Like, that's nuts.
mark normand
But in 20 years, they're going to be like, tell them I'm a child molester.
I'm trying to fit in.
Like, where does it end?
joe rogan
Well, there are academics that are trying to say that these are minor attracted persons.
mark normand
I've heard of maps.
That's bananas.
joe rogan
Insane.
mark normand
Why are we talking?
Why isn't that a big story?
joe rogan
Gad Sad calls it suicidal empathy.
You get to a point where you're trying to justify everything and empathize with everything to the point where you make horrific actions and terrible crimes justifiable.
mark normand
Well, doesn't it kind of horseshoe?
You know, like you see like an alt-right guy will draw a swastika on a synagogue and you're like, all right, that guy's a piece of shit.
But then a liberal guy will do it on a cyber truck.
unidentified
Exactly.
And you're like, what?
mark normand
You guys just met in the middle somehow.
joe rogan
Exactly.
mark normand
Crazy.
joe rogan
You're putting cyber truck swastikas on cybertrucks because you think Elon Musk is a Nazi.
Because he said, my heart goes out to you while he's trying to stop fraud and waste.
And they're using the whole political machine to paint this guy as a Nazi.
You're buying into it to Virtue Signal.
And so to show that you're buying into it, you're keying Teslas.
mark normand
But when you look at the steps of it, it's fascinating.
unidentified
Well, it's the same.
joe rogan
It's the same thing we were talking about earlier.
Like the religious right is the same thing as the religious left and Islamists.
It's the same thing.
This is like patterns of human behavior.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Where you want to point at other people and not look at yourself.
And you want to think that your radical beliefs are fine.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Everybody else's radical beliefs are wrong.
mark normand
But we've gotten there with politics.
And that's what's scary because people aren't, there's not even two parties anymore.
There's two algorithms.
Everybody's just seeing two totally different realities.
joe rogan
Yes.
mark normand
Like these Iranian soccer player ladies who are too scared to go home.
And you're like, where's Rapano?
unidentified
Right.
mark normand
Where's that Lesbo that loudmouth?
She's a justice warrior.
This is, do some justice.
joe rogan
Right.
These people, they're fucking family back homes being kidnapped.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
These people are in like real danger.
mark normand
Yes.
joe rogan
And they're no one supporting them.
mark normand
Incredibly brave to do that, to show the hair, whatever they do, and they're scared to go home.
And then their family members get tortured because they won't come back.
It's fucking horrible.
joe rogan
Exactly.
I think those people sought refuge in Australia now.
mark normand
That's right.
joe rogan
That's what they are.
mark normand
That's right.
joe rogan
I mean, their whole life has been ruined.
They're fucked.
And no support from the left.
mark normand
Yeah, give a tweet.
unidentified
Zero.
mark normand
Something.
Hashtag.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
Like, how do they pick certain things to support and other things they just blatantly ignore?
Iranian Soccer Players 00:15:27
mark normand
It's fucking fascinating.
And it's so contradictory.
You know, the right will be like, abortion's bad, but then they'll have an abortion.
unidentified
Right.
mark normand
Behind the behind the curtain.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or like the left get horribly mad at like the George Floyd violence.
Right.
How did they do that to him?
But then that lady in Charlotte gets stabbed on a train.
Not a peep.
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Not a peep.
mark normand
Not a peep.
joe rogan
He got some guy that's getting released from jail like fucking 40 times.
He's a violent offender over and over again.
Stab some random lady who survived the Ukraine war.
She was a refugee from Ukraine.
mark normand
And not a bad looker.
unidentified
Hot.
mark normand
Very hot.
joe rogan
That's the problem.
Nobody feels sympathetic for a hot lady.
She got it too easy.
mark normand
Well, that's crap.
People are people.
unidentified
Nuts.
joe rogan
Damn.
Nuts.
mark normand
And then I feel like some of this we're saying is controversial.
But how is this controversial?
We're just saying what is.
joe rogan
In a world gone crazy, speaking sane is controversial.
mark normand
That's why it feels so fucking good when shit comes back to real.
Like when we had to call fat people beautiful.
joe rogan
And then they're all on Ozempic.
mark normand
And they're all Ozempic.
Like, what are we doing here?
So now it's okay to go, all right, I like being thin.
I want to be hot.
joe rogan
I know.
mark normand
But they never go, I was lying.
I lied a bunch.
joe rogan
I know.
mark normand
I was a fat piece of shit and I hated it.
Lizzo's losing weight.
She was the fat champion.
joe rogan
I know.
She's lost a lot of weight.
She looks good now.
mark normand
She looks great, but I like fat Lizzo.
joe rogan
And she's probably a lot healthier.
mark normand
It's like better.
Of course.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, it's very strange.
People are mad at Jelly Roll for losing weight.
mark normand
Well, his name's Jelly Roll.
You know, he fucked up.
joe rogan
Well, now he's a jelly churro.
He's lost 300 fucking pounds with pure discipline.
mark normand
Is that?
Come on.
joe rogan
Yeah, Noah's Empic.
mark normand
Really?
joe rogan
Noah's Empic.
mark normand
What's he doing?
joe rogan
He does testosterone replacement and exercise.
That's it.
And changed his diet.
Eliminated sugar, eliminated everything from his diet.
mark normand
Because he was a big boy.
joe rogan
He was 500 pounds.
unidentified
Wow.
Yeah.
joe rogan
He lost 300.
He's in the twos now.
And then 35 pounds of it is extra skin.
mark normand
Ooh.
joe rogan
He's got crazy extra skin.
He worked out with me in here.
He had ran six miles the day before, came into the studio before the podcast we did.
He ran two and a half miles on the treadmill.
I watched him.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
I mean, talking, like in great shape.
He's talking while he's running, laughing, joking around.
mark normand
Hey, good for him.
joe rogan
Super nice to everybody.
mark normand
Nice.
joe rogan
He's the sweet, the sweetest fucking guy you ever want to meet.
mark normand
He's a very nice guy to everybody, man.
joe rogan
Everybody, he's hugging everybody.
He's like a sweet, kind guy, and he's on the right path.
And he's lost 300 fucking pounds.
mark normand
Wow.
Good for him.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
He's got to change the name.
joe rogan
No.
mark normand
You can't be jelly rolling than thin.
joe rogan
Just call him Jelly.
I call him Jelly anyway.
mark normand
Not even that.
joe rogan
What is his real name?
I've known that guy for fucking seven years.
I don't even know his real name.
jamie vernon
Jason.
mark normand
Jason.
You're Jason now.
I'm sorry.
joe rogan
No, I haven't known him for seven years.
I met him at my club.
So I've known him for three years.
mark normand
All right.
joe rogan
Jason.
I didn't know that.
I would have guessed like Brian.
mark normand
Yeah.
Yeah.
Who knows?
joe rogan
Who knows?
It's cool that he's got a fake name, though.
That's a good move.
mark normand
Yeah, it's a black guy move.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, vanilla ice.
mark normand
A black guy move.
You know, Earthquake.
They all have cool names.
Lil Wayne.
You got to have a cool name here, black guy.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Very few comics have done that.
Earthquake's one of the few.
mark normand
You know, we had Hamburger for the cable guy.
There you go.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mark normand
There's a white guy doing it.
Dice Clay.
joe rogan
Yes.
mark normand
That's a fake name.
joe rogan
Right.
mark normand
So a couple guys did it.
joe rogan
Yeah, Dice Clay is just dice.
I just call him Dice.
mark normand
He just kind of turned into dice.
He just is dice now.
joe rogan
Well, most people don't know that he was Andrew Silverstein.
mark normand
Yes.
joe rogan
And the Dice Man was one of many characters that he did on stage.
mark normand
Travolta, Jerry Lewis.
He did a bunch of guys.
joe rogan
Oh, he's got great impressions.
mark normand
He's a talent.
He's a talented guy.
joe rogan
He's not just a talented guy.
That guy is a legitimate performance artist.
He does performance art on the street for fun for no money.
And he's literally mocking the fact that he's not famous.
mark normand
Yes.
That's comedy.
joe rogan
The most ego-free version of that shit.
mark normand
I opened for him once, and I was kind of nervous.
He's, you know, he's a legend.
And I went up to him.
I was like, hello, Mr. Dice.
Just letting you know I'm your opener.
He goes, you want a picture?
I'm like, no, I'm just letting you know, your opener, how much time you want me to do.
He goes, you want a picture.
And I'm like, I don't need to do the picture.
Just how much time do you want me to do?
He goes, get over here.
And he gets me the headlock and takes a picture.
And I never, I just didn't know how much time to do.
But he was fucking with me.
joe rogan
He gave me great advice in the 90s.
I was doing news radio and I was just doing the store and the laugh factory and the improv.
He's like, you should do the road.
And I said, really?
I go, why?
He goes, you don't want to be relying on these fucking jerk-offs to make your living.
He goes, you're a funny comic.
He goes, you could be headlining all over the country making a good living.
You don't need these fucking people.
mark normand
That's really nice.
joe rogan
It was the smartest thing that anybody ever taught me.
mark normand
You got to do the road.
joe rogan
I had to do the road because I was, you know, I was doing like 15-minute sets.
And then, you know, I never was really headlining for like a few years.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I did back when I lived in New York.
And then all of a sudden, I was like, you know, he's right.
And then I started really putting together an hour, like a solid hour on the road, and it got way better.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
My act got way better.
And then I realized like if a show gets canceled, I can still make a living.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You know, like, whereas everybody who just works in those poor comics that stop doing the road and then become writers, that's even worse than being an actor because nobody knows who you are.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And you're completely reliant on the scene to feed you.
And then you have a mortgage.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Maybe you have a family.
You have a wife and kids.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
Maybe you have college you have to pay for.
mark normand
Those writers' rooms are cushy, though.
You get air conditioning, you get snacks, and you get health care, you get a paycheck, and you go into an office every day.
joe rogan
But you're writing the funny stuff that that other person says.
unidentified
True.
joe rogan
And in the back of your head, you know, like the reason why it's funny is because of my mind.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
And no one knows who I am.
mark normand
I know.
joe rogan
It's a velvet prison.
mark normand
And then you see these 65-year-old comics back on the funny bone train because they got to make money.
joe rogan
And no one knows who they are.
mark normand
And they can't sell a ticket.
joe rogan
They can't sell a ticket.
mark normand
That is a bummer.
joe rogan
It's a bummer.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
And all these guys that missed the podcast train, too.
Ooh.
A lot of those guys, like, they've kind of abandoned the bitterness, but years ago, guys, were really bitter.
mark normand
I remember that.
joe rogan
Are you a comic or you're a podcaster?
Well, I can't do both.
What am I doing all day?
mark normand
Yeah, it's a cheat code.
People get to know you.
They listen to you every day or every week.
And then you get to go to their town.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And in conversation with people, you come up with ideas.
mark normand
That's true.
joe rogan
That's a big one.
mark normand
That's true.
Yeah.
I mean, I think this podcast saved the store.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, 100%.
I was a part of it.
I know for a fact it did.
mark normand
It changed everything.
You had all those guys.
Santino, Theo, all those pressure.
joe rogan
100%.
Changed the store.
And it changed everybody's attitude towards each other because instead of being competition, like we're all struggling to try to get this one spot on a sitcom or this one host of a show, instead, we're all like an asset to each other because we're guests on each other's show.
Hey, could you help me promote my Netflix special?
Yeah, come on.
And everybody's an asset.
Everybody helps everybody.
mark normand
They help, yeah.
You're a guest on theirs.
They're a guest on yours.
And it's so low maintenance.
You just set it up in a hotel room.
joe rogan
Put an ass.
And people love it because they love real conversations.
And it's hard to get those in this weird world where everybody's communicating on social media.
mark normand
Well, it makes you think that maybe that's why actors have to play ball because they don't have this thing to rely on.
So they got to play the game and bullshit each other.
joe rogan
The sane ones that I talk to, they talk about the deep pain that it gives them having to fucking acquiesce to these people.
mark normand
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I just did, you know, I'm doing this crazy press tour with the special.
I just did a late night show, and it was fun.
You do the couch, you put makeup on, you put on a nice jacket, and you yuck it up for the live audience, but you're just sitting there going, that guy's got a headset and a clipboard.
What is she doing over there?
He's like a page.
He's an intern.
It's so much wasted money.
joe rogan
So much wasted money.
mark normand
And you're like, no wonder these are kind of going away.
It's unnecessary.
joe rogan
Well, that was the thing about the complaint about the Colbert show being canceled.
They're like, you're censoring, you're censoring speech, but Colbert Show is losing CBS $40 to $50 million a year.
mark normand
Jesus.
That's wild.
Well, who watches it?
I mean, no offense to these guys.
They're all super talented, whatever, but it's like...
joe rogan
The idea that they're supposed to keep that thing on the air while they're hemorrhaging money from it is crazy.
mark normand
And the guest is just like a crapshoot.
Who are we getting today?
Snooky?
Oh, great.
I'm not going to watch that.
I couldn't think of anybody relevant, but, you know, they got to sit and talk to Snookie.
You got a book out, huh?
Who's going to watch that?
joe rogan
That was Bill Hicks' old joke about Jay Leno killing himself.
Do you remember that joke?
mark normand
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He's sitting down next to Joey Lawrence.
Hey, you got a girlfriend?
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
And he sticks an Uzi in his mouth and it blows out his brains.
They form an NBC peacock because he's a company man to the bitter end.
mark normand
Well, that's why Conan, he saw the writing on the wall and he said, I'm starting a pod.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, he also left and did the TBS show, which was like way less pressure.
You know, that was a good move because he still got to do his own show and people watch it that are fans.
It still kept an audience, but he still stayed himself.
mark normand
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
joe rogan
He's a smart guy.
mark normand
He's a smart guy and he's very super funny.
joe rogan
Very funny guy.
mark normand
He helped me a lot in the early days, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was on his show way, way back in the day.
A friend of mine was a writer on his show in the very beginning.
And when I went to the filming, their banter was all planned out.
They had these big postboards with all the dialogue.
And someone would be standing behind, what was the other guy's name?
mark normand
Richter?
joe rogan
Yeah, Andy Richter.
Someone would be standing behind Andy Richter, and someone would be standing behind Conan.
And so they would read the things that they were going to say.
It was all scripted out.
I was like, oh, this is crazy.
mark normand
That's funny because when I did this late night show, they call you at like 10 in the morning, like, what do you want to talk about?
It's, what do you call those guys?
Like the producer guy who gives you the, and he's like, what about this?
I'm like, nobody cares about that.
He's like, well, talk about your writing process and how you got in a standup.
I'm like, that's just hack shit that's been done to death.
joe rogan
Exactly.
mark normand
Let me riff.
joe rogan
Let me riff.
mark normand
I'm a comic.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, I did the Bomb and Tom show once.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
They tried to do that to me.
The producer got upset at me.
Bob and Tom were great.
But The producers were upset with me.
He's like, visibly upset.
He goes, well, what are you going to bring up?
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I go, I don't know.
He's like, you don't know.
I go, we're going to have fun.
Don't worry about it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I've done this a fucking million times.
mark normand
Exactly.
joe rogan
Just go in there and have a good time.
Don't worry about it.
mark normand
I did it one.
I was so green that they made me write on Loose Leaf setups.
And I wrote like eight setups.
So then he'd be like, so I hear you have a dog.
And I'm like, yeah, I do my dog bit.
unidentified
Oh, it's horrible.
mark normand
I know.
It was like school.
joe rogan
That used to be all morning radio, guys doing their act on the radio.
It was terrible.
mark normand
Terrible.
joe rogan
Terrible.
Fake.
You know what changed that?
Opie and Anthony.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Opie and Anthony was the beginning of podcasts.
mark normand
Not Stern?
joe rogan
No.
Stern was the beginning of free speech.
Stern was the beginning of like being wild on the radio.
He's the GOAT.
Like if it wasn't for him, none of this, we would have no podcasts.
Well, I don't know if we wouldn't have a podcast, but the evolution of it would have been stalled radically.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was the guy that stuck his neck out.
He was the guy that got fined.
Like during the Bush administration, people forget about that.
They were going after him for indecency.
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Not blasphemy, but obscenity.
They were fining the fucking stations and shit, insane amounts of money.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
But he was so big that he stayed alive and survived that.
But then Opie and Anthony came along and it was totally different.
It was just wild and loose.
And it was just Norton and Voss and Patrice and Louis Queen and Louie and all of us and Ari and we would all go in and I loved going there.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
I loved going.
And then when Anthony started doing live from the compound, so he had this sick house in Long Island.
They made a ton of money.
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And he had this sick house in Long Island.
He built his own studio in his basement so he could live stream.
mark normand
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
And he had like Guinness on tap and he had like real professional microphones and cameras.
It was nuts.
mark normand
Freedom.
joe rogan
And I was like, wow, that's it.
Like, and they were trying to get him to stop doing it.
mark normand
Really?
joe rogan
They were saying, yeah, this is violating your content.
He goes, I'm not making any money off of this.
mark normand
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He's just doing it.
mark normand
Love of the game.
joe rogan
And they were upset that he was doing this on the internet.
mark normand
Wow.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so he and then Tom Green.
Tom Green was fake.
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
That was a big one.
joe rogan
When he did his internet show.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it was just totally loose.
Like, there was no asking you what you wanted to talk about when you were sitting on the couch.
Just came in and hung out.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And Tom Green's a funny guy and he's smart and loose and we're having a good time.
And I was like, this is it.
This is the future.
mark normand
He was weird, innovative.
He got ball surgery on air.
Remember that?
He had ball cancer and he did the surgery on the show.
joe rogan
Did he really?
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
He was ahead of the game.
But these TV shows are so weird because they want comics on, but they don't want you to be a comic.
unidentified
Right.
mark normand
These morning shows are like, oh, what's up, funny man?
And you're like, well, I had a toll.
And they're like, cut it, cut it.
You know, like, I'm just being me.
joe rogan
They're just scared.
mark normand
You had me off.
unidentified
They get scared.
joe rogan
They get scared.
You know, they get scared of losing their job.
I mean, those people are really scared because they don't nothing.
All they have is like, hey, good morning.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
It's five past the hour.
You know, here's Tom with weather.
It's like a bullshit fake gig.
So anything can take it away from them.
So all the stuff that they rely on, their fucking membership at the country club, all that stuff could go away at any moment.
So they live terrified.
mark normand
That's a prison.
unidentified
I know.
mark normand
You might as well be a weatherman.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And even the weatherman, same thing.
mark normand
Yeah, that's a good gig, though.
joe rogan
I guess.
mark normand
I mean, you just eight minutes to go, yeah, the Doppler, huh?
You do some hand movements, and then you're done.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's just, you live in hell.
We're lucky as fuck.
mark normand
We're very lucky, and I'm very grateful.
joe rogan
We're lucky as fuck.
But this, this platform, like the podcast platform that we all enjoy, that we all do, wouldn't have existed without Opie and Anthony.
Opi and Anthony was the first time where comics got together and it was completely loose.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was just, there was no figuring out like what we're going to say.
Everybody was just riffing.
They're all shitting on each other.
And then when it went to XM, it was amazing.
Yeah.
Because then you could swear.
mark normand
Right, right.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
mark normand
If you'd be crazy.
If you've never heard it, go on YouTube and watch it.
There's some fucking comedy gold on there.
unidentified
Gold.
joe rogan
Especially the Patrice episodes.
mark normand
Yes.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
He was so good.
mark normand
That's where he really shined.
You know, him and Louie together talking about black versus Mexican.
It was amazing.
And they do one episode where they talk about where the N-word came from.
And Louie goes, well, I think it was just a bunch of guys being N-words.
You never heard shit like that.
joe rogan
Right.
mark normand
It was comedy gold.
joe rogan
Well, you'd be free.
And then tough crowd.
mark normand
Yeah, that was another one.
joe rogan
Another one.
Another kind of situation.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Where comics just got together and Colin Quinn was hosting it and he's hilarious and everybody's just riffing and fucking around and Norton's chiming in.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Japalo's chiming in and Greg Geraldo when he was alive.
mark normand
Oh, brilliant guy.
joe rogan
Oh, he was great.
mark normand
Yeah, but comedy's weird because I got my special out and it's only been out like a day or two, but I'm getting all these nice messages.
I love that bit.
I love that bit.
And those are the bits that didn't really do as well as some of the other ones.
Isn't that weird how that works?
joe rogan
Well, sometimes people just like something clever that's different than the way they think.
Like, oh, I like it.
Chevy Chase Comedy 00:11:06
mark normand
Right, right.
joe rogan
It isn't.
You know, there's bits that are just hilarious, and there's other bits that just make me smile.
Like, that's fucking great.
That's a great bit.
mark normand
That's true.
joe rogan
Just like Hicks said that once.
Like, if it's not going to be funny, at least make it interesting.
mark normand
Yeah, that's good.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Be funny, but just be you.
mark normand
But if you can be both, that's the winner.
joe rogan
That's the key.
That's the key.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it's just this fucking constant dance.
And then as soon as it's over, oh my God, I'm starting from scratch.
mark normand
Oh, that's where I'm at.
I got the special out.
I'm back to square one.
I'm the worst comic in America right now.
joe rogan
You're going to be at the club tonight?
mark normand
I'll be there.
joe rogan
Joey's at the club tonight.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Joey Diaz is headlining.
mark normand
I don't want to follow him with my harsh shit.
joe rogan
No, he'll be headlining.
mark normand
Okay, great.
joe rogan
No one has to follow him.
He's a fucking animal.
mark normand
He is.
joe rogan
He's on fire right now.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
He's on fire.
Yeah, because he's been doing these residencies.
He's been doing casinos in Philadelphia.
He's been doing shows all around New York and New Jersey.
He's killing it right now.
mark normand
Oh, good.
joe rogan
I'm still trying to get him to move out here.
I'm trying.
mark normand
I can see it.
joe rogan
I'm going to have to get him a place.
I think I'm going to have to buy a place.
mark normand
A little warm out here, though.
He's a sweaty Cuban.
joe rogan
He'll deal with it.
Cuba's hot, too.
mark normand
That's a good point.
I mean, really, right now.
joe rogan
He doesn't really complain about heat that much.
Joey complains about assholes, pussies, these fucking mokes, these white people.
Joe Rogan, you're around these fucking white people too much.
mark normand
Yeah, well, New York's the weirdest because you walk by a hobo jerking off, and then I'll tell a zinger and be like, easy.
Isn't that weird?
I'm like, there's a dead guy on 3rd Street in the subway you took here.
And then I tell a joke and be like, whoa, buddy.
joe rogan
Well, it'll turn around.
It just has to.
Culture goes in these big waves.
It's like a seesaw.
It goes up, it goes down, it goes back, it goes forth.
mark normand
It just feels like with young people, there's an HR vibe in the young world.
joe rogan
Well, you think that's the world they have to live in every day at work.
mark normand
Yeah, that's a good point.
joe rogan
They go from the university where they're taught that shit, and then they go to a job where they're taught that shit, and that shit can actually help them get ahead.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
And if you enforce it, like people are like, oh, they're scared.
They'll help you.
They'll move you ahead.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, if you push these values and push these ideas, like it'll help.
And then there's people that are, their whole job is just enforcing that stuff in the workplace.
mark normand
And those people are fucked up.
joe rogan
There's a scary people.
mark normand
HR people are the wackiest nuts on the planet.
joe rogan
Oh, those are the scary people because those are the fucking the hall pass monitors.
unidentified
Right.
Right.
mark normand
It's kind of like Asian porn.
You know, Asians are the most repressed people and their porn is bananas because they got to get it out.
joe rogan
You know, it's nuts about some of their porn.
They have to blur out the genitals.
mark normand
I know.
Silly.
joe rogan
Help me out.
mark normand
What are we doing here?
joe rogan
Help me out.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
That's it.
joe rogan
You don't get to see her asshole where she's shitting in a guy's mouth.
This is crazy.
That's legitimately crazy.
mark normand
Yeah, yeah.
You know, like in the 90s, you couldn't say fuck, but you could say the N-word on TV.
joe rogan
Interesting.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Saturday Night Live.
mark normand
Exactly.
unidentified
Right.
mark normand
Stay at the end of that.
joe rogan
That Chevy Chase, Richard Pryor thing.
mark normand
Yes, exactly.
But you couldn't say fucking it at all.
So it's funny how we take certainly, that's okay, but not that.
joe rogan
I know.
People are always looking to tell people what to do.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's really what it is.
mark normand
That's not new.
joe rogan
They're always looking to define people as being worse than them.
Like, that's a bad person.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
I'm a good person.
mark normand
Yes.
joe rogan
And they're always looking to tell people what to do.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
That's as old as time.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Sure.
mark normand
These old, you know, but it just keeps shifting.
Like in the 50s, you couldn't have a man and a woman in the same bed, but you could smoke in front of a baby.
And now you can have people fucking on TV, but smoking is like they have a disclaimer.
joe rogan
There's always going to be bitches in this world ruining it for everybody.
No matter what you do, there's always going to be people that try to find a loophole, try to find some fucking cheat code, sneak their way to the top, take Ozempic, do what they got to do.
mark normand
I guess so, but we're all going to die one day, folks.
You might as well have a good time.
joe rogan
You should be having a good time before you die.
Don't wait till you die and go, I should have had more fun.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
Well, don't have too much fun.
Burt Kreischer's quit drinking.
joe rogan
He had to.
mark normand
He was dying.
He had to have blood clots.
Yeah.
And whoop.
joe rogan
Probably from the vax.
He took four of those fucking things.
mark normand
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
He had to keep taking them because he was doing projects.
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
They kept telling me he needs another booster in order to do this new thing.
mark normand
Well, what happened to his tour bus?
joe rogan
What happened to his tour bus?
mark normand
Oh, J-Mo.
His tour bus caught on fire.
joe rogan
When did this happen?
mark normand
I think three days ago.
joe rogan
Oh.
jamie vernon
They got a flat tire and then just randomly, like, I think they got another ride, and like, while they were getting their ride, it caught on fire.
joe rogan
What happened?
mark normand
They could have been in there.
jamie vernon
I think he's, he might be smartly saving it for a podcast or something.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
mark normand
Well, it's all over the news, too.
jamie vernon
They just showed the fire, but I don't think that they've said what caused it.
mark normand
He did a big Instagram live about it.
I didn't watch it, but yeah, that thing is torched.
It looks like Gaza footage.
joe rogan
Burt's the type of guy who might light his tour bus on fire just for clicks.
mark normand
Look at that.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
Comedian Burst Kreischer's tour bus destroyed by fire in Minnesota.
Yeah, the fucking Antifa got him.
mark normand
Yeah, Minnesota's cursed.
joe rogan
The fire is unknown.
Yeah, Antifa.
I'm calling it.
I'm calling it.
It's the anti-ice people.
We are all safe, but my bus is gone.
God works in mysterious ways.
What?
Oh, he lit it on fire.
As soon as you say God works in mysterious ways, look at that thing.
That's nuts.
mark normand
Something can stop the machine.
joe rogan
Wow, that's crazy.
mark normand
Something's burning.
joe rogan
That's got to suck because that was a very expensive, expensive tour bus.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was always on that thing.
mark normand
Oh, my God.
That is crazy.
joe rogan
I've never had the desire to get a tour bus.
mark normand
I don't like it either.
I've opened for Bert on the bus, and it's fun, but I couldn't do that all day, every day.
joe rogan
Well, I don't get hammered like he does.
So it's like this idea of just touring around.
But like my friends that are music, like Sturgil Simpson, he loves being on the bus.
mark normand
Yeah, some people love it.
joe rogan
He said it's like a living room that you travel around in.
They're all strumming along, singing songs, partying, laughing, watching movies.
mark normand
I guess that's nice.
I'll give you a flight.
I'll get there in 10 minutes.
joe rogan
Exactly.
mark normand
You're traveling all night.
joe rogan
I need to go to the gym.
I need to eat steak at a nice restaurant.
I don't like doing that.
mark normand
I'm with you, and that bed is like a coffin.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
And you feel the bump of the road.
You're like, oh, we could just turn off any minute and on the highway.
joe rogan
You think about crashing.
mark normand
Exactly.
joe rogan
What about that guy driving falls asleep?
mark normand
Oh, and those aren't the most stand-up guys driving those, but they're like ex-cons and pedophiles and whatnot.
joe rogan
It's weird.
Also, I've never done those long tours like that.
I don't like those.
mark normand
I don't either.
joe rogan
I think they're bad for you.
mark normand
Well, also, we got kids, so I like to get in, get back, get in, get back.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've always done that.
I've always done like a week, except one time I did the Maxim comedy tour with Charlie Murphy and John Heffron.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
We did 22 dates in a month, and I hated it because I'd be waking up and I'm like, where am I?
I didn't know where I was.
mark normand
You're right.
joe rogan
Because you're always on the road.
mark normand
22 dates is crazy.
joe rogan
It was nuts.
mark normand
In a row.
You don't even know what day it is.
joe rogan
By the end of that month, whoo, you're sharp.
mark normand
You're tight.
joe rogan
Oh, you're sharp.
mark normand
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're just out there murdering.
You're just like, your timing is on point.
Everything is just rock solid.
mark normand
And in a weird group, Hefron, Murphy, and you.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
That's a lot of range.
joe rogan
It was fun.
mark normand
Hefron's funny.
joe rogan
He's fun.
He's really funny.
mark normand
Clean, too, actually.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, he mixes it up.
He's not clean offstage.
Off stage.
He's hilarious.
He's just hilarious, period.
He's a really good joke writer, too.
And this is like he had come off of Last Comic Standard.
He won that.
mark normand
Right.
joe rogan
And then Charlie was the best.
mark normand
Oh, Charlie.
joe rogan
She was such a good.
mark normand
I never met him.
joe rogan
Such a good dude.
mark normand
Really?
joe rogan
Such a real man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
A real solid dude.
mark normand
Well, Eddie Murphy always talks about he was kind of his protector.
Like, if he talked shit about Eddie Murphy, he would just go beat you up.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Well, Charlie was a legitimate martial artist.
mark normand
Oh, is that?
I didn't know that.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He fought in karate tournaments and shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, we talked a lot about martial arts.
He knew his shit for sure.
mark normand
Oh, I didn't know that.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
I just thought he was a street guy.
joe rogan
No, he knew how to fight.
He was a dangerous guy.
But just a nice guy.
Just a solid human being.
I didn't even know he was sick, man.
I had no idea until he died.
And he kept it quiet.
Just like Norm did.
unidentified
Yeah.
No one knew.
joe rogan
Norm was talking about moving to Austin.
mark normand
No one was.
joe rogan
He was talking about coming out here.
unidentified
Yeah.
Whoa.
joe rogan
And then just fucking died.
mark normand
That's so commendable in this victim culture.
He could have gotten so much, so many points off that.
And he just wrote it out.
joe rogan
Apparently, he had been fighting cancer for a long time.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And if you look at him, like when he got real puffy for a while, that was probably what was going on.
unidentified
Oh.
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was probably battling cancer.
mark normand
If you watch his old, I'm talking 80s clips.
He's holding his stomach, like on Letterman, because he had stomach cancer.
joe rogan
Whoa.
mark normand
And that's why he always touched his stomach because that he got hurt.
joe rogan
He had it for that long?
mark normand
He had it because he had it and then he kind of beat it and it came back.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
Crazy.
He's a hero.
joe rogan
Oh, man.
mark normand
Is there a funnier guy than Norm?
joe rogan
I mean, one of the funniest guys of all time.
mark normand
Funny on a podcast, funny on stand-up, funny in movies.
joe rogan
Funny talking to him in the hallway at the store.
mark normand
Yes, exactly.
joe rogan
And just a great guy, man.
mark normand
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
A great guy.
And, you know, and would go after people who are cunts online, too.
mark normand
Yeah, he did.
joe rogan
Seth Simon guy went after him.
unidentified
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, one day, I'm going to meet you in real life.
mark normand
Whoa.
He wrote Shane a nice Shane show me the email after he got a solid.
joe rogan
He was a solid dude.
He was a real solid.
And fucking funny, man.
mark normand
So brilliant.
joe rogan
So funny.
mark normand
Enlightened.
And he was like a Dostoevsky reader.
You know, and everybody thought he was this, you know, dumb guy.
joe rogan
I sat next to him randomly on a flight twice.
mark normand
Don't do the smoking story.
joe rogan
I did already.
unidentified
All right.
mark normand
All right.
We've all heard it too many times.
joe rogan
Sorry.
But just randomly sitting next to him on a flight.
It was like, it was such a treat.
mark normand
That's a gift.
joe rogan
Just to hang out with him for fucking hours on a plane, just laughing and talking.
unidentified
There you go.
Yeah.
mark normand
Just over here.
joe rogan
Solid dude.
There's good people out there.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
Yeah.
He was great.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark normand
And he changed weekend update.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
mark normand
I mean, the fact that he got fired for being funny.
He told the truth.
He told the truth about OJ killing his wife and he got in trouble.
joe rogan
Is that what happened?
That's what he was.
He was fired from weekend up to it.
mark normand
Because Olmeyer was like the head of NBC and he was friends with OJ.
So he was like, stop shitting on OJ.
He's a friend of mine.
He's like, I can't.
He's a murderer.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
You told him to stop shitting on OJ.
mark normand
And he kept doing it and he got fired.
unidentified
Really?
mark normand
That's what it was.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
Let me hear what he said.
mark normand
Back it up.
And now the fake news.
unidentified
Well, it.
This is finally a 50 honest.
mark normand
We can't.
joe rogan
We can't play it.
Okay.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
We'll get in trouble.
mark normand
Yeah, you can see it.
It's amazing.
He's got a whole compilation.
joe rogan
Let's wrap this bitch up and bring it home.
mark normand
All right.
joe rogan
Mark Norman, you're the man.
Appreciate your brother.
mark normand
New special.
joe rogan
New special out on Netflix.
I know it's hilarious.
I watched you work out some of the material.
It's called None Too Pleased.
It's available now.
As of the time we're talking, it's number five.
I'm sure it'll boost the fuck up after this.
mark normand
Hell yeah, kick it up a notch.
joe rogan
And I'll see you tonight.
mark normand
Thank you, sir.
joe rogan
Let's fucking go.
mark normand
Comedy.
joe rogan
Bye, buddy.
Bye,
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