Andrew Wilson dissects TPUSA’s alleged conspiracy ties, mocking fringe theories like Charlie Kirk’s "Mossad" status or Candace Owens’ claims while critiquing media manipulation in cases like Predti’s shooting and Gavin Newsom’s $24B homeless budget. He argues perverse incentives and political weaponization—from Social Security diversions to "color revolution" protests—undermine accountability, contrasting Christian ethics with leftist tribalism. Rogan and Wilson expose shifting immigration narratives (Obama vs. Clinton) and question cultural relativism, debunking myths like the "noble savage." Wilson’s sharp debate tactics, highlighted in The Crucible, reveal systemic flaws where ideology trumps logic and competence. [Automatically generated summary]
And he came back in time because his whole thing was like he had to stop the weather patterns from destroying the future because the NIM, an alien race of grays, had come and they were heating up the planet slowly to change it to be the conditionals that were necessary for them to then live on the planet.
And, you know, Art Bell, he's always playing into it with the lunatics, you know, and he's like, and does the CIA currently know that you're there doing this?
So Redneck calls into Art Bell and talks about how he killed Bigfoot and where he buried it.
And the guy has, it's like, I don't know if it was early trolling, like before trolling was trolling, but it was like this guy, he was like, yeah, you know, me and Timmy, we took him out back there, we shot him right in the chest twice, and there were some young'uns, and they spread out a little bit, and then we, you know, we packed up the Bigfoot and buried him in the backyard.
He got all the park records, you know, and he started going through and he was like, there's some really weird stuff going on here for how many people were missing in national parks.
You ever seen like those time-lapse photos where they take a dead animal and they let it sit there and you watch it get consumed by maggots?
And it's very quick.
So these poor people that go hiking, you know, like if you go hiking and you're by yourself and you break an ankle and you're 15 miles in and you don't have a compass and you're kind of like roughly judging which hill you came over.
And there's a lot of people that just get ahead of themselves and they really shouldn't be that far out there and they just die.
You know, so like this idea that it's like there's you could if you look at all the data and you try to find a pattern to it and you start imagining that there's some grand conspiracy, that some watcher in the woods that's consuming people, some demon that's out there, you can get pretty kooky with the family.
And the fact that they all sort of synchronize, like this one eats that one and that one eats this one and this one lives there and that one lives there.
It's like it's very fascinating when you really look at the just a wide variety of species that exist.
We live in such a comfortable world that is completely guarded from everything that's out there.
And it's like if people had a taste of out there, I think that the worldview of many, many people would change very quickly, especially feminists.
I think that feminists would immediately stop being feminist if they just had a taste of like, well, you know, people actually did have to shut themselves up at night from wolves.
That was a real thing.
Wolves would come in and eat you.
And so you would shut yourself in so that that didn't happen.
Well, the elk population, but that's actually arguable that that might have been a good thing in some ways because it was getting to elk need natural predators and mountain lions can only kill so many elk.
But what's really interesting is mountain lions kill way more elk when wolves are around because the wolves find the mountain lions and take their elk.
And so then the mountain lions have to go kill another deer or whatever.
Well, you have to have some natural predators in a good, healthy ecosystem.
And there's a good argument, particularly in Montana, that at one point in time it had gotten to a point where you're going to have like rampant disease because they were issuing these, they're issuing like unlimited or a large amount of tags for people in the midwinter so that you can catch these elk in deep snow and just peck them off because they were having so many of them and that they weren't sustainable, that they were hitting these massive populations.
So their populations are down to like, I want to say less than 40% of what they were at their peak when they brought in the wolves.
But the problem is these wolves, like what they did in Colorado recently is the dumbest of all time because they brought these fucking wolves outside of Aspen and they took wolves from Washington State, Washington State or Oregon, but whatever it was, these wolves from the Pacific Northwest were wolves that already had been killing cattle.
So they captured these wolves instead of killing them and then they relocated them to Aspen where they're killing cattle.
Yeah, they've been pissed off for like every deer hunter I know in Michigan has been pissed off as a native for years because they all used to shoot pheasant.
That was the big deal in Michigan was pheasant.
And then here's the story I heard.
I don't know if it's true or not, right?
But the DNR, the Department of Natural Resources, imported a bunch of Western coyotes in order to thin out the deer population because the deer population was basically mangling all these farm crops.
Oh, boy.
And now that's an all-you-can-eat buffet for a coyote in Nevada, these ground birds that are just these fat, fat little groundbirds, and they decimated the population.
Well, they would always just walk those train tracks, those old abandoned train tracks, you know, and they'd have the dogs, dogs kick up the pheasant, they'd shoot them from the track, dog would ring it up.
And when they evolved, they evolved to when the gray wolves kill them because the gray wolves don't breed with coyotes, but coyotes do breed with red wolves.
That's why you have these like koi wolves on the East Coast.
Because a coyote is a wolf.
It's a wolf.
It's just a small wolf.
And so their natural inclination is when they're getting chased, they move to a new area and then they have even more pups.
So that's how they've spread out through the entire country.
So if you go back to like the turn of the century, like the 1900s, coyotes were exclusively a Western animal.
He's in the back seat and he jumps out of the car and he has this shitty lemon smile on his face, you know, and he runs over with Starbucks to these people and he's like, here you go.
And then he jumps back in the car, right?
And they drive off.
Now, here's what's interesting about this.
He comes back and he's in there with the protesters, you know what I mean?
And he's interviewing them.
Most of the protesters are saying, we're coming from out of town.
We're from this state.
I'm from two states away.
I'm from three states away for this totally organic protest.
Well, the cops, what they start doing, they have these guardrails on the sidewalk in front of the ICE facility.
And there's gaps inside of that barrier.
And so they pull their police cruisers in just to fill those gaps so that they stay behind the barrier.
And Lemon's like, why would they do that?
Why would they keep us compressed behind this barrier?
And I'm thinking, because you just stopped your car in the middle of the street to run across the road and give these guys Starbucks, you idiot.
They want to keep the roadway clear so that they can get their people in and out.
You literally stopped your car in the middle of the road, ran across the street to give these people Starbucks and then got back in your car.
And they're like, why is it that they're trying to keep us from getting into the road?
They knew hundreds of years ago books on how alcohol, you know, what are they, consumption or whatever they called it, it killed you if you just quit if you were an alcoholic.
Well, the real concern with the Large Hadron Collider is they were going to create many black holes that were going to eat their way through the Earth that you wouldn't be able to stop them.
I heard there was concern they're going to open up a portal to a different dimension.
I've heard like I've heard all sorts of things.
Yeah, we changed our timeline.
We're on the new timeline.
You know, the whole nine yards.
I've heard it all.
I'm just saying that anything.
It's just been my experience.
When I look through the historic record, that if there's any scientific gadget out there that looks like it has the potential to make something go boom, the United States military has a version of it somewhere.
But for whatever reason, they abandoned this one during the Clinton administration.
I don't remember why they abandoned it, but you could, people can, if they have access to the area where it's at, can still go inside of it and see what they started to build, but they never did.
But it would have been larger than the Large Hadron Collider.
I want to say it's in Georgia.
I don't remember, though, but it was going to be an enormous particle collider.
And for some reason, they just stopped funding to this thing.
I'm not saying that guy should have shoved that guy.
I don't think he should have.
Or that woman.
I don't think he should have.
And then pepper sprayed.
And then the guy who got shot, Predi, he steps in, which is, if you know anything about concealed carry, if you are a concealed carry holder and you are carrying not just a pistol, but two full magazines as well, you do not ever physically engage with someone.
You also are supposed to carry your license on you and you're supposed to, you're supposed to have ID on you.
If you don't mind if I add your framework, the framework here is this is a mathematical formula.
So I've been following these extremely closely live and looking at how this is done.
Let's go backwards in time.
You remember what was going on in California.
Nobody died in California.
There was an ICE raid on a Home Depot and they went nuts and they started smashing police cars.
They were starting fires, right?
This was not over somebody dying.
And now the narrative, they're trying to make the narrative shift.
The Gestapo is in here, you know, murdering American citizens.
Well, what was going on in California then?
Because there was no American citizens getting murdered there.
What was going on there was they did an ICE raid in a Home Depot, which anybody who's been to California knows that it used to be that you'd drive down the street and they would all hang out in front of the Home Depot and you'd say two.
And they'd hop in the truck and you would, you know, they would go.
Yeah, they were day laborers, right?
So it didn't surprise me that they were there doing daily raids.
Okay, that doesn't surprise me a bit.
And they all went ballistic.
Now, here's what was very curious about the coverage of that.
And I had a debate with a couple of leftists on this.
What I saw was what looked to me to be a police standdown order.
There was people who were breaking into, I don't remember if it was an AMCO or a 7-Eleven, but they were busting into it.
And the cops were on the side corner watching this go down and didn't do anything.
They didn't do anything about it.
If it got too rowdy, they'd clear it out and then they let them continue.
It looked like a standdown order, like you don't involve yourself.
Well, what I think these guys have figured out is a mathematical formula and it works like this.
If the local police are not going to protect the federal buildings, then it's left to the federal police to do this, right?
In this case, ICE is going to protect its own buildings.
The FBI is going to protect its own buildings.
If the local police aren't going to protect it and it's surrounded, then who does the protection then?
And this is why Trump, he unleashes the National Guard, but where?
To those federal buildings to protect those federal buildings.
That was the whole point of it.
And basically, anytime he's unleashed the National Guard that I've seen, it's two federal buildings to protect them.
And so the mathematical formula works like this.
The longer it is that protesters are engaging with federal officers whose job is not to do basic street cleanup of thugs, that's the local PD's job.
The chances that there's an incident, which is going to be a bad incident, is going to occur.
So basically, the longer you're there, the more attrition there is, the more engagements you have with these federal officers over time.
Eventually, there's going to be something which is out of pocket that happens or something which is escalatory that happens, and they're banking on that.
And that's why ICE is out in front of these, or not ICE, the Antifa people are still out in front of the ICE buildings in front of many states night after night after night.
And it's designed specifically to make sure, it's just a math formula, right?
The longer we're here and the less the local PD involves itself, the more chance of incident between federal officers and us.
And in this particular instance, this guy clearly had been very involved.
I don't know if he was a part of the signal chats, but when you go to what's supposed to be a peaceful protest and you're fully armed like that with two magazines, it's kind of crazy, right?
And that would motivate you to do something along these lines.
So let's go back to the instance.
So you've got these cops that are on these CBP guys that are on high alert, right?
There's a lot of tension.
People are screaming.
If you're in an environment like that all day, like I've never been a police officer, but I was a security guard.
And when I was a security guard for Great Woods, by the way, I'm not comparing this in any way, but I'm just explaining my mentality when I was there.
It was very much us versus them.
It was a small group of guys that were working at, I worked at Great Woods Center for the Performing Arts in Mansfield, Massachusetts.
It's a concert venue in Mansfield.
And this was when I was fighting.
So it was me and a bunch of guys from my Taekwondo team got hired to be security guards.
One of the guys came and said, hey, you guys want to get a job working as a security guard?
It's great.
You get to see concerts and it was like a good pay.
And, you know, I was doing a bunch of random jobs back then while I was competing just to sort of pay bills.
And I said, yeah, okay, what do I have to do?
And like, it's nothing.
You just go there and you work.
First day on the job, I go there.
Some guy had stolen one of the security golf carts.
So there's this dude named Alley Cat.
He was the head guy of security.
He was fucking character.
Hilarious.
His main dream was to open up a bar.
Alley cats, libations, and victuals.
He had this whole dream of just a real character.
But this guy was a hardcore motherfucker.
And they caught the guy who stole this golf cart, tackled him to the ground, and he was beating him in the face with a walkie-talkie.
This is my first day on the job.
So I'm like, okay, so this is what we're doing.
And we kind of became like almost like cops for this place.
But there was very much an us versus them mentality.
And it turns out it was a lot more involved than I ever thought it was.
And then one day I was at a Neil Young concert.
I was working the Neil Young concert and riots broke out.
There was fire.
It was cold out and there was like a grassy area.
So there was like a lawn.
So it was like there's the inside, not inside, it was like an outdoor concert venue, but there was a roof to part of it.
And then the back of it was like this lawn area that was in the back.
And these guys had started bonfires up there.
And we were supposed to go in there and break up the bonfires.
And then my friend Larry, who is like one of the most mild-mannered guys you would ever want to meet, but elite black belt.
He gets in a fight with this guy and some guy pushes him and he knocks this guy down.
And I'm like, okay, chaos has broken out.
Let's get the fuck out.
I'm like, let's quit.
Let's get the fuck out of here.
And I used to wear a hoodie.
I used to carry a hoodie so I could just zip up the hoodie over my security outfit and like, bye.
Because I knew there was going to come a time where I was like, I'm not getting shot, stabbed, killed, whatever, stomping for 20 bucks an hour or whatever the fuck I was doing.
So I wound up leaving that day.
But there was a very, and I, it was, I remember very clearly, like, oh, this is probably what happens with cops times a million.
Like, you develop this us versus them because it was very much us.
We would meet up at the beginning of our shift.
We would all talk about what's going down.
We're mostly catching people that were bringing in alcohol, like women in their purses would, you know, like some Carly Simon or something be playing.
They'd sneak in a bottle of wine that, you know, James Taylor, you know, there was a lot of that.
And so we would, we'd have like literal fucking trash cans filled with bottles of wine and liquor at the end of the night.
Also, there's a tremendous amount of social media content that anybody could access at any given time where a lot of these dorks are calling for violence.
You know, it's just, it's all over the place.
You could find it.
The least likely people that would ever be involved in any sort of an altercation are on TikTok calling for violence.
We got to kill these motherfuckers.
We've got to shoot these motherfuckers.
And these guys are out there in the middle of that.
Now, you have to understand what happens when you get pepper sprayed.
Okay.
I've never been pepper sprayed, but I did get tear gassed once during Fear Factor.
We did a Fear Factor stunt where these people had to, I forget what they had to do, but we had built this, there was like a structure, and they were inside the structure, and they released tear gas and discharged.
So as of 2017, SIG changed the way they make their guns because the trigger itself was heavier than what it is now.
And not just the pull, but the actual mechanism of the trigger was heavier.
If you drop it, so if this is the barrel of the gun where the bullet comes out and this is where you're holding on your hand, if you drop it, it'll discharge.
And it'll discharge without moving the slide, which is kind of crazy.
Because what happens is something in the dropping it on the back where the handle is.
So when this CBP officer grabs his gun, he's moving off and it appears, it's very grainy, the video.
It appears there's an accidental discharge.
Now, you can make an accidental discharge of this gun without touching the trigger.
If there's any kind of pressure on the trigger, if it is a modified trigger, if there's anything that engages with it, even a slight amount, and you move the slide at all, that gun will go off.
And there's videos of it online.
You could find videos online.
See if you can find videos of it online where a guy shows how you can get that gun to negligent discharge because it will.
But that's a lot of bad stuff that has to happen in sequence.
Yes.
Like the fact, even if this gun is recalled, there's a model that had these issues, right?
I'm guessing that it wasn't every one of them that had the issues.
Some of them, right?
Probably not all.
And if it's because it has to have a lot of force for it to go off or the slide has to be, you know, you have to be moving the slide or something like this.
What I saw was him holding the pistol, how you or I would hold the pistol with the finger off the trigger.
I did not actually see what would have caused that force.
And the thing that's interesting about this is I'm even willing to kind of grant it to the left, just on appearance alone for a second, just for the sake of like logically taking this to its conclusion.
Let's say that the cops were totally wrong on this.
They messed the whole thing up.
They screwed it up.
It was a negligent discharge from the officer himself.
It killed this guy.
It was totally unjustified.
Okay, but now what?
Right?
Is it the case that we're going to, what, stop deporting illegal immigrants?
We're going to stop, you know, that ICE is going to stop, Border Patrol is going to stop doing its job.
ICE is going to stop doing its job because of a single incident, even if all of the officers involved were incorrect?
Of course not.
That's ridiculous, right?
The thing about this incident is it's being used as a catalyst to now say they're the Gestapo, just like they were trying to do with Rene.
They're the Gestapo.
They're here to be the jackbooted thugs of the Trump administration.
That's being used now as the new rallying cry and catalyst for the, and it's post hoc justification.
That's what makes me so angry about is it's like, no, no, no.
You're out here doing all of this long before anybody was getting shot by ICE, okay?
You're doing this long before there was any supposed abuses by ICE.
It seems like what they do is they set up the reactions, right?
They set up the conditions, maximize the conditions for horrible actions to happen.
And then when they do, they use those as the justification for why they were ever out there in the first place.
I do believe them that they think that they're fighting against fascism.
And I've debated with enough of these people on what historically fascism is in comparison to what they perceive it as, that I do think that they believe that 100%.
And then a half a million of them were, and then, but people are saying very few of them have been violent criminals.
But we found out there was like 8%.
This is just 8% of what we know has been caught.
That is a lot of violent criminals.
If you go to half a million people and 8% of them are murderers and rapists, and they snuck in during, not even snuck in, because they were allowed access to the United States over the last four years, somewhere to the tune of, let's be like super charitable.
Let's say it's only 10 million because I think it's a lot more.
And the people said, we don't want illegal immigrants here.
We want them out of here.
It doesn't matter what the conditionals are for violent criminality or not violent criminality.
If you're really a big believer in the Republic like you claim, why is it that when Trump gets elected to do exactly this job, you impede it at every turn?
We had this woman, we documented, we talked about this woman who worked for, God, I forget which department, but her job was to turn these people from illegal immigrants into what she described, they described to her as clients.
And so you would tell these people, are you, yes.
So her question was to them, do you have a permanent disability?
So do you have headaches?
Does your back hurt?
I get headaches.
My back hurts.
I guess I'm permanently disabled.
And all you have to do is like, you don't have to have like clear evidence that you have all your fucking discs surfused and you can't walk or you have.
No, you just have to have a fucking back hurt.
Your back hurts.
Well, what fucking man who's a laborer who's 35 years old doesn't have fucking back pain like y'all do.
So they come to you, they say, do you have headaches and back pain?
Of course, most certainly vote for the people that are moving them into the Roosevelt Hotel and just like how Muslims will vote, even though at the local level they oppose all leftist policy.
They'll vote at a national level for leftists because they bring in their family members.
They bring in, they allow the importation of people that they want here.
So yeah, they utilize the system for the aims.
And for Democrats, this is all good.
And of course, for Republicans, it's all bad.
And Elon's right.
He is right that Democrats, and here's what I see, the bird's eye view, right?
Trump, what they're going to do, Democrats are going to win the midterms by hook or by crook.
They're going to win the midterms.
And when they do, if they have the power in the House to do this, they're going to impeach him day one.
And we'll have now it'll be the thrice impeached president, right?
And they'll obstruct him.
They'll obstruct his agenda the entire step of the way under this elongated impeachment, and they'll just run out the clock.
And, you know, a lot of these people that are on the left that are self-described leftists, they're very kind people and they want, you know, everyone to have a chance to live in America and be good people.
And they don't understand they're being used as pawns by much more cynical people that are just trying to get total control.
And if you want to know what total control looks like and what kind of restrictions could be imposed on a Western society, look no further than the UK.
Look what's going on in England right now.
12,000 people have been arrested so far last year for, in the last year rather, for social media posts, just social media posts criticizing immigration.
There was some new thing that they just passed that makes it so that you're supposed to tell on people who are talking in pubs, who are having conversations in pubs that you think are dangerous conversations.
It used to be an understanding that, as complicated as this thing, you've got to allow people to say horrible things so that you can counter them with better points and you make a better argument and then people see your side and then society moves forward.
In the online dialectic, the way that it moves between groups, and I think that now online influencers, podcasters, political commentators actually do have political, they have some political capital now, which can be spent the same way low-level politicians have political capital, which can now be spent.
They actually are connected oftentimes with politicians and operate as mouthpieces on behalf of whatever that political arm is.
It also, there's so many people that are getting attention by feeding into the rhetoric.
There's so many people that are making viral clips of them threatening, like menacing, like these weird dorky liberal guys, like these guys that you would think of pacifists are literally calling for violence.
I got one of them because it's like the most unlikely guy.
Well, and they're going to kill, they'll kill more commentators.
They can get away with it.
Happily.
I mean, part of that whole signal chat that's dangerous that people aren't talking about, that's probably the most dangerous aspect of it.
And I can't prove this, but it's been my experience that left-wing communities and left-wing groups, especially online communities and online groups, really pander to the mentally ill in a big way.
Really pander to them.
And I think that it's a form of weaponization.
They want to attract the extremely mentally ill into these communities, and it helps with actually what is radicalization.
And they play on the fact that they're mentally ill in order to do this.
These are the same people who have the high suicide rates for a reason because they're already mentally ill, like the Troons and others, which many of them you find are connected to trans people almost every time.
This is the other problem: is that how many of these people are on these psychiatric medications that violent ideation is a part of the side effects of these suicidal or excuse me these psychiatric drugs?
There's a lot of people that have psychotic thoughts when they get on some of these different SSRIs and different psychiatric medications.
So you've got people that are already fucked up mentally, and then you've got them on these medications that cause them to do all kinds of crazy things.
Yeah, but do you know what the lunatics argue when you bring that up?
These lunatics, they'll argue, no, no, no.
The conservative men are just as mentally ill.
It's just undiagnosed because there's a stigma in conservative communities about going to get your mental illness diagnosed.
And I always point out, and I think this is an interesting way to point this out, like maybe they're not going to get diagnosed because they don't have a problem.
It's possible it's undiagnosed because I think that is accurate though, that there is a stigma about mental health and therapy and things along those lines in conservative – I mean if you want to like – I agree, but I also think that what happens is when you're talking especially about the voodoo that is psychology and it is voodoo.
I think that men often, especially conservative men, get as much out of their close relationships with friends and family as they would going to a psychologist.
In other words, I think just having somebody to talk to who's a close friend, who's intricately familiar with your situation, probably gives you more value than going to a complete stranger who has learned manipulation techniques.
That's what they learn essentially is manipulation techniques.
I think there's more value there.
And so I think that the stigma which exists there doesn't exist because it's like you're not manly, which is how they try to frame it.
I think the stigma exists there because so many conservative men go, well, I tried that shit and it was nonsense.
I tried it and it sucked.
I tried it and it was worth it.
I went to marriage counseling, did nothing.
Sided with the wife, right?
I went for this issue, did nothing.
But when I went out and had some beers with my friends, that actually helped relieve some of these issues.
I think the problem with that is there's a lot of guys who don't have good friends, you know, and you don't have someone that you can count on, unfortunately.
And the religious framework is almost instantly going to put you in that, moving towards that conservative camp almost every single time.
And I think that that's a necessary component now.
If we're trying to make these political delineations, it becomes tough.
What's a Republican or a neocon versus a conservative versus this versus that?
It comes down to foundationalism, a framework.
Like you were just saying, in the framework of Christianity, Christian ethics, huge delineation point between the right and the left who rejects that for harm principles, utilitarianism, and various other sorts of frameworks.
One of the things that I always try to point out to people, they go, why do you go to church?
Because when I was younger, I was very cynical about religion.
And then I've got older.
One of the things that I always say is, if there was a pill that could make you as nice as the people that I go to church with, everybody would be on it.
They are the nicest fucking people you will ever encounter.
So why engage as though there's something outside of that?
That doesn't just lead to nihilism, but it's the beginning stages of understanding the distinction between religious foundationalism and basically everything else.
The reduction doesn't come down to me.
And that's why those interactions seem so much better because they are because people are thinking about you.
And then you go, why is mental health rate so much better in these communities?
It's like, well, isn't it interesting how much they think about other people than just themselves and duties to those people instead of just me, They're the kindest people you're ever going to come across.
And I think the people that are cynical about that, because they don't want to believe in fairy tales or they don't want to be stupid, they don't want to get duped by like, look, there's a foundation to that.
If you just look, forget about some of the stuff that's in the Bible that, you know, it gets weird when you get old.
Like you go back into the old, old, old stuff, because like for sure human beings had some sort of an influence on what was written down and what wasn't written down.
But if you get just to the teachings of Christ, I can't find any faults in it.
Like it's all about being kind.
It's all about this idea that we're all in this together and that you're supposed to lift each other up and look after each other.
There's no faults in it.
It's not like you have to kill the non-believers.
It's not like you get to rape and pillage for the non-believers and the infidels must die.
That's why Christians believe in objective truth, that there must be objective truth because otherwise why is most of the world following this as though it's objective truth?
We seem to be leaning towards this as though this must be the thing which is objectively real and objectively true and a thing which we can point to that is because when people are introduced to it, like you just said, it's really hard and difficult to find fault in it.
It's not just that.
You know, it's interesting.
If we reverse it, if we say, what could I do that actually would be the best for me, It would still be that.
And I think that the world is better off if people have a great moral and ethical framework.
I think morals and ethics and being kind is one of the most important values that human beings can ever possess if you want to live in a productive and healthy community.
You know, appealing to like, well, has the lack of community and the like, let's just assume for a second.
Let's just assume it's all bullshit and it's all nonsense.
Every bit of it is just totally made up.
We just like, we just made it up, right?
But we all acted as though it was true.
If it's the case that your whole framework is that we just want a society that really works well and does the best it can possibly do for everyone, then shouldn't you, by your own framework, just pretend it's true?
It's fascinating that people that are self-professed atheists and people that think of themselves as too intelligent for religion won't acknowledge that.
They don't want to believe that.
And so many of them that I know that are self-professed atheists are some of the most miserable people.
And the thing, well, the thing is interesting is like I've talked with a lot of atheists, debated with a lot of atheists, especially on the effects of Christianity and society against the effects of atheism.
And I know what pure secular states have led to.
That's what communism was.
That was a purely secular state.
Yes.
Where you really, where you really wall off the church from the state.
But here we pretend that it's secular and they get all the benefits of it being, quote, secular, but it's not secular at all.
Politicians are constantly voted in based on the fact that they have an X amount of value structure and that's what they're going to implement legislatively on you.
The whole secular thing, totally made up.
And them pretending that that's even real or has ever existed as a real framework in the United States, just nonsense.
Not only that, but I think there is a natural default in the human mind to be attracted to a structure.
And if that structure is a Christian structure, you're attracted to all the Christian values that we've just discussed being so positive and beneficial to you.
But if you're not and you go to a leftist, progressive structure, leftists in particular, like a Marxist structure, what you're seeing is a complete lack of forgiveness.
They don't have that built into the system.
One of the beautiful things about Christianity is forgiveness and the recognition that we're all sinners and we all fuck up and we're all human and we're all flawed and that you could move on and be better and you can atone for these sins and you could recognize that, you know, yes, you've made a mistake, but here's the best way to move forward and be a better person.
Society at a whole recognizes that you are me and I am you and we're all kind of the same thing.
Well, it's this idea of like someone being a perfect person.
It's nonsense.
It doesn't exist.
And so if you don't have a pathway to forgiveness, and if you don't have that built into your society, you're always going to have people pointing out the people that are the bad people.
And it's one of the things you see in the left in particular.
They eat their own.
And it drives me crazy when I see that also from the right.
I'm like, don't you see that the people that you criticize are doing this and now you're doing this?
You guys are turning on each other over the most innocuous things and forming tribes where you're attacking each other, even though you have mostly shared values instead of being charitable and recognizing that, you know, these are just human beings and they make mistakes.
But the left eats itself more than any fucking group that I've ever encountered over almost nothing.
And they love to pile on because they're absolutely terrified that it's going to come for them.
They're fucking terrified.
And so they will go out of their way to shame and attack and to take some of the energy away from them.
I still think that it turned into a dog eat dog for the power vacuum fight.
And it was a criticism of values, foundationalism, and all that.
But from the left view, if you eat, if you're eating your own, right?
And you eat the message apart to the point where you get down to the foundation and now everybody's in lock and step, is that better for political power or worse?
Like if you constantly are just eating the wrong, nope, that message isn't pure enough and they gobble them up until you get the monster, right?
Who has the right message, they're all on board.
Is that the better way to achieve this kind of like political paradigm that they want?
Another problem is this idea of the equality of outcome that everybody should get an equal amount.
That is crazy talk because we all know that equality of effort does not exist.
There's a reason why there's outliers and the reason why they're so compelling and so inspirational.
It's like this fucking guy got up at five o'clock in the morning and ran every morning before work and hustled and ate the right food and fucking did the right things and was thinking and pushing and was open-minded and he became radically successful.
But the thing is, is the reason you commonly see good-looking people with good-looking people and ugly people with ugly people is because that's about what you can get.
But a lot of them are not fully formed human beings.
And the way I always describe it, I go, it's like if you give, if you make cement and you don't add all the stuff in the right way, you can't fix it later.
So during the developmental process, if you're fucking Joffrey from Game of Thrones, like what are the odds that Joffrey's going to fucking figure it out and get his shit together and be cool when he gets to it?
It's a story as old as time and it keeps fucking repeating itself.
And it's just weird that people, well, I look, but also I believe in social safety nets because I think that there's a lot of people that are very unfortunate.
And there's a lot of people that do grow up with shitty parents or parents that have a bad situation in life.
Maybe the father dies or the mother dies and there's no like it's good to be charitable and churches are fantastic at that.
It's one of the more pure charities that you're ever going to find because their goal is really just to help those people.
Unlike what you think of as charities in the modern sense, one of the grossest fucking things today is these enormous charities that everybody thinks, oh, I'm going to support this charity.
Well, the idea also is that you are supposed to be paying into it so that you will get money when you retire.
But your return on investment is so bad.
That's terrible.
And compared to what would happen if you spent that exact same money and put it in like a fund, a reliable fund, you would get so much more money when you retire.
Well, now I almost feel like it's hamstringing because if it was the case that they let you keep, you could just opt out, you know, I don't want Social Security.
I want to keep it.
And then you took that and you put it in those hedge funds and retirement accounts and things like this, you would way maximize over what you get in Social Security.
And the Seminole people basically molest young boys.
That's what they do, right?
But apparently the young boys there, they love it because it's a rite of manhood, right?
And it's all socially conditioned in.
The thing is, with suicidal empathy, that's really funny here to point out to a leftist, from their paradigm, there's nothing wrong with that, actually.
Where's the harm, right?
That's part of the suicidal empathy, the part of the ideology of suicidal empathy.
So like for me, from my worldview, it's like, I don't care if you don't think there's harm in that.
Like, if you see the pyramids and they're cutting people's hearts out and like we're holding it up to this, to the to Raw or whatever, you're like, I'm supposed to feel bad that they put you to the sword.
Like, it's really hard for me to feel bad about that.
When they completed the consecration of the temple of Tenochtitlan, they killed somewhere between 20,000 on the low end and 80,000 on the high end.
They sacrificed 20,000 to 80,000 people within four days.
In four days.
And this was documented by, got to forget his name, something Diaz.
He was a Spanish chronicler.
So this is before Cortez came.
They started trying to figure out what's going on over there.
And one of the things that this guy came back, he said, this place is fucking crazy.
Like they killed 80,000 people.
And a lot of people have disputed that 80,000 people, but then they found so many bones that they're like, okay, it's probably somewhere north of 20,000, which is crazy enough.
So 20,000, 80,000 might be exaggerated if you think about the number, but just think about 20,000 people, killing 20,000 people by cutting their hearts out and throwing them down the steps of the pyramid in four days.
It's fucking crazy.
So if you're the Spanish, the Spaniards, and you come here, you don't feel bad about conquering those fuckers.
You're like, what are you guys doing?
Or how about when they showed up and they found the Mayans and they're playing football with human heads?
Now, here's the funny one.
They don't want to believe that they played football with human heads.
So historians try to say that they didn't play football with human heads, even though there's artistic depictions of them playing football with human heads.
Like, no, that was just symbolic.
Well, did they sacrifice humans?
Yes, they did, but I don't think they played football with their heads.
And that whole myth of the noble savage is something which is utilized by the left in order to make the claim that you are an imperialist and an occupier and a person who, yeah, you have colonized their land.
And the thing is, is it's like, if that's what we colonized, why do I care?
I ask this question all the time.
Why do I care if that's what I colonized?
If that's what my ancestors colonized, why should I give a shit about that?
Because then, also, you have the language and the religion of your oppressors that you're trying to say is this noble and incredible culture that you're bringing over to America.
First of all, the people, the Native American people and the original people and the Aztecs, the Mayans, the Mexicans, it's essentially the same kind of people.
A lot of them are, they look the same.
It's like, if you look at Sitting Bull, it looks like he could be working at a taker.
Not only that, there's real evidence that syphilis came from Native Americans, and then they brought at least some forms of syphilis, and they brought that syphilis back to Europe, and then all the Europeans started going crazy and getting holes in their head and losing all their hair.
But the point is, even the people that lived in America before those settlers came, those people came from somewhere else.
They came from Siberia.
You know, everyone's a colonizer.
Everyone.
All over the world.
People, you start in Africa a million years ago, whatever it is, and then people start slowly moving away from the people that were kicking their ass, looking for a better place to live.
Well, that's what we were talking about earlier with lefts, with leftists, where there's this purity test that no one can ever pass because they'll always keep pushing the boundaries further and further.
You're never going to be, there's no like real Americans.
Everyone who's white is a colonizer.
Yeah.
It's just, it's fucking goofy.
And it's just designed to point at someone that someone is the bad person.
And this is the reason why life sucks.
And also dismiss any of the terrible activities that any of the other people participate in because like, oh, they're just oppressed.
And they think that once they get into power, everything will be fine.
It's not going to.
And not only that, what would be fascinating is if someone from the left started behaving exactly like the people that are on the right, just did it from a perspective of the left where you would think, oh, this is okay.
And that's what we got during the Obama administration.
I sent you this thing, Jamie, a little bit ago, the clip of Obama talking about immigration.
And by the way, Obama, and I was mistaken on this.
I thought that a lot of the people that Obama deported were people that were turned away at the border.
Uh-uh.
That was a third.
Most of the people out of the, I think it was 3 million over the course of his presidency that were deported were fucking deported, like arrested, deported.
A lot of people were killed.
Let's put on the headphones so we can listen to this speech because this sounds very MAGA.
There are those in the immigrants' rights community who have argued passionately that we should simply provide those who are illegally with legal status or at least ignore the laws on the books and put an end to deportation until we have better laws.
And often this argument is framed in moral terms.
Why should we punish people who are just trying to earn a living?
I recognize the sense of compassion that drives this argument.
But I believe such an indiscriminate approach would be both unwise and unfair.
It would suggest to those thinking about coming here illegally that there will be no repercussions for such a decision.
And this could lead to a surge in more illegal immigration.
And it would also ignore the millions of people around the world who are waiting in line to come here legally.
Ultimately, our nation, like all nations, has the right and obligation to control its borders and set laws for residency and citizenship.
And no matter how decent they are, no matter their reasons, the 11 million who broke these laws should be held accountable.
But the thing is, is it's like, what the hell are we fighting over here?
Well, we're fighting over the fact that the left is just trying to ingratiate itself with power, and they don't really care about what the moral paradigm is.
As long as they can get their people in power, they'll use anything as a lichpin issue.
The whole thing is about power, and that's what people need to truly understand.
You're being played.
You're being played.
You're being played in Minneapolis.
You're being played all around the country.
It's about power.
It's about them getting power.
And if you think that once they get complete, if they were successful, they imported millions more to all these swing states, they allowed them to vote, they completely rigged the system, now it's only – you think that's going to be good for everybody?
Do you think then that Christians knowing this, they know that these are bids for power.
When you have Christian nationalism on the rise and Christians moving towards that, doesn't that seem like it's a rational and reasonable thing to do for them to want the mindset of if we're not in power, they will be in power.
I've never seen the, I know that there are, of course, the people who push that there has to be an established theocracy in order for Christian nationalism to work.
But the frameworks that I've seen that have political legitimacy don't seem to push for that at all.
They push instead that the idea is that Christians should not be hamstrung from the ideals of holding power itself, that that does not make you bad or evil or awful, no matter what the left says how Christians are supposed to act.
And that when you are in power, you should rule with Christian ethics in mind.
That's how you're supposed to pass policy, public policy of all kinds, is through those ethical means.
No, well, people are afraid of the concept of a theocracy.
And I think that people are afraid of just human nature and that if people did get into power, that that's what it would become.
Just like these people are just trying to get into power, that they would use Christianity as a vehicle, and they would just use that as an ability to control people.
The real concern is just human nature.
Human beings, when they get into any position of power, like to keep it and expand it.
I don't think you would have to utilize a dictatorship.
But if it's the case that we can point to, like, there were people who had a lot of power who fundamentally were pretty good.
What was it that they're pointing to that made them good?
Like, is there something we can point society towards that can make our leaders a bit better, that can make our leadership not hyper-focus on the nonsense of like gay marriage and stuff like that, which is completely and totally unimportant at the political level and shouldn't be up to the federal government anyway.
You know, Anna Paulina Luna was on the podcast and she said something that I really didn't consider about certain political problems that exist in this country that they don't want to solve them because they want to use them to finance their campaigns.
And it's like, I think a lot of these can be solved.
Like if we were to have politicians in mass and their supporters in mass who followed Christian ethics, I do think a lot of those sub-issues get solved very quickly.
It's true Christianity if they really do follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.
But I think what people are really worried about is like when people think about Christians, they think about the worst case scenario of Christianity, which is like evangelicals on television that just try to get private jets.
Like if someone's a complete sociopath that doesn't have any moral framework, like a Gavin Newsom type guy.
Like that's that's even more terrifying.
Yeah.
So it's like if I'm going to be ruled, can I at least be ruled by people who have my ethics or really who really believe in that they're trying to make the world a better place and they're not just trying to acquire wealth and help their donors acquire more wealth.
It's spooky.
It's spooky because people that have power, you know, it scares the shit out of everybody else.
And it should, because historically it's never been good.
It's almost always when people have power, they want more power.
And they want to also support the people that help them acquire that power.
And then they want to make sure they got that power locked down.
So what's the best way to do that?
Well, you restrict people's ability to express themselves, restrict people's ability to travel, you take away as much money as possible, tax them as highly as possible so they're always in this like state of constantly struggling to pay their bills.
You keep them completely, no one's comfortable ever.
And then, you know, have this problem that we have to solve.
And this is a foundation from which all other arguments are starting and ending.
Now, I'm happy to meet people in the middle.
A lot of people want to argue in the middle, right?
We're going to get past all the foundational stuff and we're going to go to the menu or the middle of the argument and start there.
And I'm kind of happy to do that to kind of move everything backwards or forwards so we can either get to the end or we can get to the beginning and get this figured out.
Yes, what wears on me the most about it is there's a lot of people who I debate with who I know don't believe what they're saying.
I know.
I know for sure.
And there's moments where I catch myself where I recognize it right then, that moment in the debate, and then I'll hammer them.
But it happens all the time where I'm like, you don't believe that shit.
There's no way.
And then they'll come back with a, you know, with a re-I do.
I would listen to long form, you know, historic podcasts.
I would, more than anything, I would be listening to, you know, the mediums changed, but I would listen to what people had to say on a variety of issues.
And I would watch the news incessantly.
And I would be able to pick out what's true and what's not true after a while.
Political education comes from a variety of sources.
You can't get it from the news, and you can't get it from listening to just podcasts, and you can't get it by just talking to people.
You have to take a sum total of everything, all of it, in order to at least be even moderately politically savvy and understand what's going on in the world.
And I realize most people make commentary on things that they have no fucking idea what they're talking about.
To be an intelligent, reasonable person who's both well-read and has very good points that you can express about social issues, societal issues, is it has a massive thing.
It's a very important thing that, you know, mainstream media is not doing a good job of filling that role.
It just doesn't.
You know, there's not a lot of people out there.
I mean, Christopher Hitchens is dead.
There's not a lot of people out there that are really good at debating against ridiculous people and exposing this.
And it's so important for people to sit down and see something like that and to recognize, like, oh, I've heard people like that talk.
I've always wondered, like, that doesn't make any sense.
Why doesn't someone tell that guy to shut the fuck up?
Well, it's certainly healthy for other people to watch it because certain people lean in one direction or the other and they're not really exactly sure how they feel about things.
And sometimes someone who has bad ideas can be very compelling with these bad ideas because they're not being confronted by someone who's better at it.
Back in the old Twitch blood sport days when it was 50 live viewers and me against two leftists and we were slugging it out, they were smarter.
These were much smarter people than the high-level academic, like it took on these two academics recently at DebateCon, both of them are Ivy League graduates, right?
It was nothing.
I could have easily destroyed them while enjoying a hot bowl of soup.
It would not have like it was just, it was inconsequential.
Well, I think it's because of there's a degree of ass kissing and there's a degree of people around you affirming over and over and over how f ⁇ ing great you are.
That's where that egotism comes in, where I was saying earlier in the podcast, you have to make sure you're grounded.
Make sure that your ego never takes over.
Make sure that you don't become the thing that you hate, right?
And it's so easy to do.
But it's also, I think, I think that as they go, things become more cerebral and academic rather than applicable.
And those kind of old debates that I was doing was people living in it, not external from it.
And so they, you know, it did, they had real emotion behind it.
You know, so and the other thing is I think a lot of people get where they are in media through connections and not because of merit.
I think a lot of people who are in media and are political opponents have no fucking business being there at all.
They're dumb as a box of rocks.
And they're there because they had connections or they had friends who assisted them in getting in the position they are.
And when they are actually confronted on their views, they fall apart.
They totally fall apart.
I've seen comedians, comics. who were on the road for years do better in academic debates than academics.
And I go, well, how is this possible?
Well, it's possible because that guy has real world experience.
He's probably just as well read as you had a lot of downtime, right?
So he educated himself, but he can do the thing you can't.
He can apply it.
That guy has a way to apply this knowledge in a framework that works because he's part of the apparatus of the world.
And there was nobody there where he was like, he tugged on their shirt sleeve and said, hey, daddy, or hey, you know, Uncle Bucks or whoever, you know, I want to be on Fox News and now they have an in, you know, and I think a lot of that in media happens.
I think it's very, very, a lot of nepotism there.
And a lot of people just really got no business being there at all.