The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2439 - Johnny Knoxville

Jan. 15, 2026 - The Joe Rogan Experience

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Joe Rogan Experience #2439 - Johnny Knoxville

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Johnny Knoxville recounts his stunt career, from Judo Gene LaBelle’s infamous chokeouts and Bruce Lee’s grappling struggles to near-death Jackass stunts—like a 20-foot steel wall crush and bull charges causing concussions and broken ribs. Fear Factor’s animal cum episodes led to NBC cancellation, while filming with Russian forces and wild predators ignored safety risks. He admits 16 knockouts, lingering cognitive effects, and ethical concerns over exploitative documentaries like The Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia, tracing generational trauma to coal industry neglect. Now, with Fear Factor’s revival, Knoxville balances entertainment with caution, questioning combat sports’ long-term toll on fighters’ brains and bodies. [Automatically generated summary]
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Speaker	Time	Text
Choked by Gene 00:15:05
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Joe Rogan podcast, check it out!
unidentified		The Joe Rogan experience.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Train by day, Joe Rogan, podcast by night, all day.
		Yeah, yeah, they said, fuck you, old man.
		He choked him to sleep.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I would pay for this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How did you meet Judo Gene LaBelle?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I met him first on Men in Black 2.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		He was a stunt man.
unidentified		Oh.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Stunt.
		And the stunt people would line up outside his trailer so he would choke them out.
		And he would give you that little – he would give you a patch afterwards.
		You've been choked out by Judo Gene LaBelle.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God.
		He had all those cartoonish patches.
		He gave you a bunch of those.
		He's a character, man.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		One guy, I saw one, the stuntman, right before Gene choked him out, he goes, one second.
		This Irish dude.
		And he turned around and he slapped Gene in the face.
		And Gene's like.
		And then after Gene choked him, they were standing up.
		Gene just dropped him straight to the ground for slapping him.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You can get hurt like that.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, that's what you get for slapping Gene LaBelle.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Slap him.
		Give him a kiss.
		Kiss him on the cheek before he chokes you out.
		Don't slap him.
		He had one of the very first ever mixed martial arts fights.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		It was that he fought.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Milo Savage.
unidentified		Yes.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And did Milo Savage grease himself up beforehand?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But also, Gene was wearing a gi, which kind of negates most of the grease.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because you're wearing this very frictiony gi.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So he grabbed him.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And where it was, I guess the rumor was Milo Savage's gloves were loaded?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I would do that, though, if I was Milo Savage.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I would have some kind of weapon against Gene LaBelle.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, most people that have never grappled a guy like that, you don't have any idea how helpless you actually are until you think, I'll be able to push him away from me.
		I'll be able to push him away and get some punches off.
		You really don't know until that guy grabs you, and it's like being grabbed by an orangutan.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because his mom ran the Grand Olympic Auditorium, right?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And he grew up training with all the disciplines of fighters that came through there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, he definitely knew pretty much everything.
		He knew a lot, but, you know, obviously he's a judo specialist.
		But he's the guy who taught Bruce Lee about the importance of grappling.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because he worked with him on the Green Hornet.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think he worked with him on that.
		But when he locked up with Bruce Lee, like Bruce Lee was like, oh, okay, I'm helpless.
		Like, apparently the story was that Gene picked him up and carried him around over his shoulder.
		And then Bruce Lee was like, okay, fuck this.
		Because Gene was a light, I think he was a light, heavyweight judo champion.
		So, I mean, he's probably at least 190 pounds.
		And, you know, Bruce Lee was a pretty small guy.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And Gene just grabbed him.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		His face just looked like a catcher's mitt.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		It was just looking at that guy's face.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he was a classic.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And always check out a guy's ears before you talk shit with them.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		If they have that, you know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Cauliflower.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Cauliflower ear, just buy him a drink or give him a hug.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Does Steve-O have that?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Didn't he get it from like, didn't he have John Jones fuck his ears up?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		He tried to get it.
		I don't know if it happened.
		You know, we tried to do, I tried to do that to the director, Jeff Tremaine, on Jackass Number Two.
		Every time someone would walk past him, they would grab his ear and twist.
		And we were just hoping it would cauliflower up by the end of the film, but it didn't.
		You got to earn that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		There's a lot of guys who fake it, though.
		I know a lot of jiu-jitsu guys who fake it.
		They have guys fuck their ears up on purpose.
		They want to look cool.
		It's kind of weak.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's – you got to earn it.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It's like Robert De Niro in that movie where he wouldn't take Viagra.
		Remember?
unidentified		A hard-on should be earned.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It should be had legitimately or not at all.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		The old-fashioned way with eye contact.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wasn't that some weird movie where he was going, he was a mob boss, but he was going to a shrink and he couldn't get it up.
unidentified		Oh.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Remember that movie?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Was it Billy Crystal was the shrink?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I don't remember the name of it, but yeah, I know what you're talking about.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Dude, you've had a wild ride in life.
		You know what I mean?
		You've done a lot of crazy shit, not just with Jackass, but you became a movie star.
		And you're like, what has this been like for you?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes it feels like you're living someone else's life.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Imposter syndrome?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a little.
		And I'm extremely grateful, especially for a guy with my limited education.
		I get the joke what I would be doing if I didn't fall into what I'm doing.
unidentified		So, yeah, it's pretty surreal.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I just keep trying to move forward.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How did you guys get started with Jackass?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How did all that come to bear?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Well, the short answer is my then-girlfriend got pregnant and I had a daughter on the way.
		And I moved to LA to act, but I wasn't doing anything, man.
		I was drinking a lot.
		And then I'm like, oh, shit, I have to support a daughter.
		I need to do something quick.
		So I was living next door to Antoine Fouqua in this duplex, the director.
		And he set me up with a casting director who got me a commercial agent.
		My friend John Lenson set me up writing articles for this magazine because he knew I wanted to write.
		And one of the articles turned into me testing self-defense equipment on myself.
		And a lot of different magazines wanted the article, but they didn't want anything to do with it because I was going to shoot myself in the chest with a bulletproof vest as the last thing.
		It's like stun gun, taser gun, pepper spray.
		And Jeff Tremaine, who now directs Jackass, he was the editor of Big Brother magazine, a skateboarding magazine owned by Larry Flint.
		And he goes, you can write it for us and I'll help you buy a couple of the things and the stun gun and the taser gun.
		And I took the money my mom gave me for Christmas and bought the cheapest bulletproof vest they had for the last thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You don't want to skimp on a bulletproof vest.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		That's all I could afford.
		It was either no stun gun or taser gun.
		So anyway, Jeff says, hey, why don't you film that article that you're writing?
		We'll put it in our skateboard video.
		And it kind of snowballed from there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so that was the genesis of it.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		Isn't it weird how like desperation or like the recognition that like, oh, you have responsibilities?
		Like, you got to get going.
		Just lights a fire under your ass.
		You become like a totally different person.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		It was like, I deal with a certain amount of overcoming fear or whatever when doing the stunts, but there was never any fear like you have a daughter on the way and you have to figure out how to support her.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I was, I had to do something quick, and that was my best guess.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's the mother of invention, man.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That necessity, understanding, like being a dad and having to take care of people, it just changes everything.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like, what am I doing?
		You know what I'm doing?
		I'm doing fucking nothing, and I need to do something.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a primal feeling, right?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		It changed everything.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But when you do this, like, first of all, what round, what caliber of revolver did you get shot with?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Well, the vest was the cheapest one, so it could take a 38, and I got a 38.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I borrowed it from my neighbor's wife.
unidentified		Jesus Christ.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		There wasn't a lot of pre-production on this show.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How far away were you when you got shot?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Well, my buddy was supposed to shoot me, but we just drove out the 14 because we didn't have a location.
		And I'm like, pull off here.
		And then we pull off this exit.
		And I'm like, okay, make a right.
		And we ended up on the fire road.
		So we get out there.
		My friend's like, I'm not going to shoot you, man.
		I can't do it.
		I'm like, so I'm like, all right, well, give me the gun.
		And I got the gun to my chest, and a car pulls up behind me.
		And it's a bunch of tweakers.
		They're driving down the fire road.
		They're like, how do we get to the freeway?
		And I got the gun behind my back.
		I'm like, hey, you just go down here, make a right, then a left.
		And they drove away.
		And so I went back to shooting myself.
		It was sketchy.
		It looked like a snuff film.
		Because my friends are, the photographer on it saw his buddy die because he jumped off a hotel trying to hit a swimming pool and didn't hit that swimming pool.
		And so he was really scared, right?
		He was like, stop, don't do this.
		Don't do this.
unidentified		Stop.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I wasn't getting a lot of positive reinforcement, Joe.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it doesn't seem like it.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And I had a bunch of, because since it was Flint magazine, I had a bunch of hustlers under the bulletproof S to help absorb the impact.
		And at one point, they all fall out and I bend over to pick them up and I'm pointing the gun right at my friends as I pick them up.
		I don't realize this, but it was sketchy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And that was the first.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we put that in the Big Brother video.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever done anything like self-harming, any dangerous type activities before you started Jackass?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Before you started doing all this kind of shit?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
		I didn't even know it self.
		I mean, you can argue my drinking didn't help my liver, but it's like you guys, like what you did was kind of fucking crazy.
		But when you, I guess if you stop to, I don't know, like it just becomes something you're doing.
		It was all normal to me.
		And I can't speak for them.
		It's just, that's what we're doing today.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And so that was the first one.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then how many times have you done a stunt where you're like, I could die?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		A few.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, you've done, like, the bull one when you're blindfolded.
		I was like, don't do that.
		I was watching.
		I was like, this is crazy.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was, yeah, that was, anytime you're working with a bull, I think that they hate you.
		And really, they hate movement.
		And they want to make you stop moving forever.
		But I've had, you know, I mean, like in the Jackass No. 2 when the rocket exploded, those were foot-long metal rods, and there was 12 of them.
		One blew out right next to my ribs, which would have been pitcher wrap on me.
		And one flew back 300 yards and split two of our art guys right between them.
		We've had some really close ones.
		I tried to do the Buster Keaton thing in number two where the facade falls and it falls right.
		The window falls over my head.
		That was the plan.
		And the guy's like, okay, when it's, because it was the close, right, of the movie.
		And the guy's like, this is a 20-foot steel wall.
		Like, you hit your mark, do not move.
		I'm like, got it.
		They said, action.
		And then, so I take two steps, and they're like, oh, no, no, cut, cut.
		So I just like, oh, okay, I'm going to walk over here.
		And they had already released the wall.
		Yeah.
		And if you watch the footage, it crushes me to the ground, but my head just makes it through the window.
		Otherwise, that would have been, I would have been done.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, geez.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		That was a close one.
unidentified		God.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How heavy was that fucking thing?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I don't, it was a 20-foot steel wall.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		It was, it was incredibly.
unidentified		How bad did you get fucked up from that?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Nothing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Nothing.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, I was very lucky.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I'm also hyper limber, so it just, I kind of accordion when on impact.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just dumb luck.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Dumb story of my life.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How many, all told, how many stunts have you done like that?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I haven't.
		Oh, almost, almost could put, I don't know.
		Like, there's at least six or seven, like, close calls, and then any number of stunts that can go wrong, you know?
		I don't know.
		I don't really, I just look forward.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Was there ever a time when you're doing this and going, what the fuck have I got myself into?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, because you have to keep up one-upping yourself, right?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was a problem for me after we did the first movie.
		I didn't want to do a second movie because I didn't know how to top the first one, which now looks very tame compared to the others.
		And finally, Tremaine said, we don't have to top it.
		We just have to be funny.
		And I'm like, okay, that made me free.
		It took away all my anxiety.
		And I thought, okay, if that's the case.
		And a couple months later, he told me he was lying.
		We did have to top it.
		But by that time, I was already off and running.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Jesus, dude.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Your show would really give me anxiety.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		It gives the guys they get really anxious because I know 98.5% of what's happening on the set.
Olympic Ski Jump Intervention 00:03:03
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Like, Jeff and I each, we keep a little from each other.
		So if we want to smoke one another.
		So, but the guys don't have any idea what's happening.
		So by the second week, you can just literally go up and put your finger on someone's shoulder.
		And they're like, Jesus.
		They're so, so nervous.
		And I, and I, I don't blame them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And like when you film one of those movies, like, how long is a shoot?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, how, how many months do you film for?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Well, that depends.
		On jackass number two, usually about we go two weeks on, two weeks off over four, five months.
		But I think jackass number two, it was eight or nine months.
		And finally, they had to have an intervention with me to stop shooting.
		They hey, like, come down to the office tomorrow.
		We're going to finalize the edit or do something in the edit.
		I'm like, all right.
		And I get there, and it's Spike, Jeff, a few of the cast, and they're like, We're not here to talk about the edit.
		I'm like, okay, like, we have to stop shooting.
		We're like so far over.
		And then it was also about, I was going to do the ski jump, you know, the Olympic ski jump.
		And it was, they're like, you, we have too much footage.
		You can't, let's just not, you've already put yourself on the line so much you can't.
		And then it became like, well, I'm not, I didn't, I've decided not to because I felt like this big intervention, they had, it was like doomed.
		The stunt was doomed in my mind then that something negative was going to happen.
		So I ended up not doing the ski jump, but I did negotiate two more weeks of shooting out of them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How far were you supposed to jump?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		It's until I went kaboom.
		I don't know.
		It was going to be the Olympic ski jump.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like when they fly?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you know how to ski?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Not at all.
		I don't want to be good at the stunt.
		Nobody wants to see that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, you'd have to train for years to be good at it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, I was just.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I had about 20 minutes.
		Oh.
		So that didn't happen.
		But I don't even know how we got on this.
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johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But so are you done with all that stuff, or would you consider doing it again?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can't do any stunt where I would get a concussion now because I've had too many.
		The last one was really gnarly.
		I kind of went offline for a while.
		What one was that?
		At the end of Jackass Forever, I dressed up as a magician and I got obsessed with the idea of pranking an animal.
		I just wanted the thought of seeing the animal's reaction after the prank.
		And that kind of morphed into me dressing as a magician in a bull ring, doing the pouring the milk in the hat trick to get the bull's reaction.
		And apparently, the bull didn't think much of my trick because it, well, first of all, usually when you're working with a bull in a ring, there's a lot of soft dirt around, you know.
		And I got there that morning and it was just dirt, but no salt.
		It was like concrete.
		And I thought to myself, well, that's a problem.
		And but we're there.
		We need, I'm shooting.
		So anyway, long story short, the ball, the bull hits me, and I, you usually, when a bull hits you, well, always they drop their head, right?
		So I always try to jump a split second before it hits me so I get above the bull as opposed to below the bull, which is never any fun.
		So, but I mistime my jump.
		I jumped too early, so I jumped and then I start coming back down.
		Then the bull hits me and it flips me like I do like a one and a half flip, and the only thing that stops me is the back of the head, my back of my head hitting the concrete ground.
		And I got a concussion with the brain hemorrhage, a broken rib, and a broken wrist out of the deal.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And that was it.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And yeah, it was so.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And this is after you let Butterbean KO you, too.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Lucky punch.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That fucking dude hit so hard.
		I watched that.
		I was like, don't let that happen.
		Don't do that.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Like, everyone's like, boy, that knockout punch must have hurt.
		I'm like, I didn't even feel it.
		Like, the punches before really hurt, but the knockout punch, you don't, you've been knocked out before.
		You don't feel it.
		That one was a pretty bad concussion, too.
		I had vertigo for six to eight weeks after that.
		Just driving around a curve, everything starts spinning.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you go to a hospital and get checked out?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Well, I went to see my doctor, Dr. Kipper, and he had to sew up my head because I fell back onto the hard ground of the swap meet.
		I think I hit my head on the corner of a display counter as well.
		I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Fuck, dude.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Should have gone to college.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you ever feel any responsibility for how many people you inspire to do similar things?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hope to just entertain them and not inspire them, but I can't, I don't have any control over that except for when I do things like this.
		Like, just watch, don't do.
		I don't want anyone to get hurt.
		I, you know, me, I'm another story.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of amazing that you're okay, you know, other than the bad concussions.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm pretty okay with how it turned out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What's the worst injury that anybody ever suffered during Jackass filming?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		There's been many concussions, breaks, uh, I don't know.
		Just arm breaks, back breaks.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any long-term problems because of it?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		My lower back is pretty blown out.
		And who knows about how the concussions will rectify themselves?
		Hopefully I'm okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you feel any lingering effects?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Well, my lower back's blown out.
		So I just had an intracept procedure on my back about in early December.
		They go, the nerve and the vertebra, they go in and somehow use radio frequency heat to basically burn the nerve so it can't send the signal to your brain that it's hurt.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so you just walk around hurt, but you don't feel like it.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		Yeah.
		I'm fine with that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is it doing continual damage or is it just pain?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I think it it seems to be, and that's an excellent question that I did not ask, nor did I care about, but thank you for bringing it up.
		I think to me, it's just pain.
		So I, you know.
unidentified		Jesus.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Have you done anything else for it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, there's a bunch of different, is it a herniated disc?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Is it a yeah, but the lower two discs are herniated.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And I had shots in the facet joints of my lower back is like they put some kind of steroid in there and it didn't give the result that I wanted.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever heard of a machine called a reverse hyper?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's a machine that a guy named Louis Simmons, he was this legendary powerlifter guy.
		He developed because he had fucked his discs up powerlifting and the doctors told him that he needed to fuse his disc because they were compressed and he's like, well, can't we decompress him?
		And they're like, no, there's no way.
		He's like, well, there's got to be a way.
		So he developed a machine that decompresses the spine while also strengthening the muscles around it.
		It's a piece of exercise.
		That's Louie.
		He developed this machine.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		It looks like something that happened to Ving Graemes in Pulp Fiction.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		What does the machine do?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It strengthens and on the way up, when she's lifting with her legs, it's strengthening her back.
		And on the downswing, it's actively decompressing your back.
		So it pulls the discs apart and creates space.
		I love this machine.
		I have one at home.
		I have one here at the studio.
		I use it all the time.
		It's really an important piece of equipment for anybody that has a lower back injury or who wants to prevent lower back injuries.
		And just for overall strength, because it's a very odd movement to be able to recreate.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Oh, great.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to look into that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'll show it to you.
		You'll have it in the gym afterwards.
		I'll show it to you after the podcast.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sweet.
unidentified		You should get one.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It'll help you.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And there's another thing called a teeter.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, those things you hang by your ankles?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Where you like decompress?
		They developed one called the Dex where you hinge from your waist.
		So you like get in this thing, you strap your legs in and you lean forward and it's like you're hanging from like that.
		So you're hanging from your hips, like all your weight is being like set on your thighs and your back carries all the weight and it just slowly like pop, pop, pop, it decompresses.
unidentified		It feels great.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That thing fucking rules.
		I always tell everybody, if you have a back injury, you have back problems, that thing will help you a lot.
		Just do that for a few minutes every day and eventually, you know, slowly over time, it creates space and it alleviates some of the pinching and problems that people have, depending, of course, on the severity of your injury.
unidentified		But I love that thing.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		All right.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Might be getting a couple pieces of equipment.
unidentified		Yeah, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You gotta prevent.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So how the fuck did they talk you into hosting Fear Factor?
unidentified		How'd that happen?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I met with Sharon Levy, who runs Endemon.
unidentified		Hello, Sharon.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Shout out to Sharon Levy.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		She's awesome.
		And I was like, I'm on the fence.
		And I sat down with her and I liked her so much because she seems like, how did a woman like you that is like awesome get a job as the head of you know?
unidentified		Right.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		She seems very rebellious.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And I just thought, yeah, I'm in.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		So it happened over lunch.
unidentified		Really?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I really liked her.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		One of the problems that we had with Fear Factors, we did 148 episodes initially, and then we came back for a brief amount of time, but they wanted to really ramp it up.
		Like it was like these stunts are going to be bigger and crazier than ever.
		And I was relieved when it got canceled because I was like, we're going to fuck somebody up.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you felt what kind of, well, you have a couple of examples or.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, there was a bunch in the early days.
		Like, first of all, the first one that we ever did where I was like, don't do this, was bull riding.
		We made people bull ride.
		And this one lady was like, she probably weighed like 98 pounds.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And she got on the back of the bull.
		I'm like, she's not going to be able to hang on at all.
		She's going to go flying.
		It was hilarious.
		Stunt guys are some of the most savage, fucking psychotic, zero fear at all for their safety.
		Like they get so hardened by it over time.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just not normal people.
		And this guy, Perry, I was like, dude, you're going to make them ride a bull.
		He's like, don't worry about it.
		Boo, these are stunt bulls.
unidentified		I go, that's what he said.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I go, is that bull know he's a stunt bull?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		They got the sand card.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I bet he has no fucking idea.
		I bet he just thinks he's a bull.
		So they're in the cage before they do it.
		The bull's fucking bucking.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And he's just all fucking tang.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And I'm just going, don't.
		I told the people, I'm like, don't do it.
		Don't do it.
		Just quit, man.
		Just don't do it.
		It was like one of the only things where I was, I was like, I wouldn't do it.
		I'm telling you right now, I would never do this.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Were the bulls, were they the bulls that were because certain bulls, they get upset if you ride them, but after you fall off, they don't try to hook you.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Did these bulls try to hook them after they got they get.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They had handlers that steered the bull away from the people and they did a good job with that.
		But I mean, who fucking knows, they don't want you on them.
		They weigh 2,000 pounds, they're all muscle.
		Like the thing was so powerful, like you could feel it when it was in the cage where it was just fucking moving around like don't do this.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And they're smart, like bulls are very smart.
		That's why unfortunately uh, you know, in Spanish bullfighting they kill the bull, which i'm i'm i'm not on board with, but because they learn your movements.
		You can't make the same movement right twice in a row with a bull because they're gonna go, oh okay, i'm gonna be, you're gonna do that and i'm gonna be right here waiting on you.
		It's unfair and you can't have anyone move behind the fence when it's on, because bulls can easily jump over the fence that a lot of them just don't know they can.
		So if you frighten them or provoke them, they're just gonna jump over the fence and then they have like 35 people they can smoke.
		Yeah it's it's, it's when we work with bulls, it the, the set is different.
		The set is different, the, the guy, Gary Lefew, who supplies our bulls.
		He was world champion in 1970 and when we first started working with him and it stuck with us the whole time.
		He's like, when we have bulls on the set I don't want anyone any kind of negativity going around the set.
		It's already hard enough with the bull.
		If there's anyone Negative or any negativity, that person's off the set.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Negativity, like in what way?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Just if there's any like saying negative things or they've had a fight with someone right before, any kind of negative vibes, no negative vibes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The bull senses negative vibes?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Just, well, the whole, the whole everyone on the set senses negative vibes, and everyone has to be completely present and positive for this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is this voodoo or is this like real science?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		No, I think it makes total sense, especially when you're doing stunts.
		When you're doing a stunt that can forever alter you, I don't like any negativity either.
		And also, if you're doing something that can forever alter you, you have to want to be there and want to be doing it.
		You can't halfway go into it because then you're really going to get fucked up.
		So this is just some.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is knowledge you've acquired over time.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		No, that's true.
		If you like half commit in something that can forever, you're going to get, yeah, it's bad.
		It's going to be bad anyway, but you need to want to be there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What a bizarre life skill.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know what I mean?
		What a bizarre skill.
		I know how to survive doing something you really shouldn't do that could alter you forever.
		Stay positive.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's that.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't, it's not a guarantee, Joe, but it does, I think it does help.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We did a bunch of other stuff that was not bulls, like with cars and trucks and stuff where I was like, ooh.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like we had a close call once with this lady who was strapped to the front of a truck and she was supposed to go through some sort of an obstacle course, but like they blew through some boxes and the box got on the windshield of the other car and the other car almost slammed into her legs.
Second Round Challenges 00:00:59
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And she was screaming because she thought it hit her and it was like, we're like, what the fuck are we doing?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Was that when you guys came back for the second round?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was the second round.
		Yeah, the second round was sketchy.
		You know, we had people like getting, they were attached to a tree and they had to figure out which key to unlock them while a bungee cord was attached to them and a helicopter.
		And so once they got the thing unlocked, they would fucking rock it off of this tree.
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johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Up through the limbs.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
		There was luckily, luckily it wasn't that.
		There was no branches that could have got them.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		But that would have been funnier.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It would have been funnier, like through the branches and shit.
		So they rocket over a fucking giant canyon.
		Like we're on the top of this canyon.
		And they just went flying while they were being bungee jumped on the bottom of this fucking helicopter.
		It was terrifying.
		They were so high.
		If anything went wrong, they were dead as fuck.
		100% dead.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
unidentified		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		That's sketchy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there was so much sketchy stuff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then it ultimately got canceled because they had to drink cum.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Did you ever see that episode?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what sunk us.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So there was only two times.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		What year was what kind of Donkey Cum.
unidentified		Oh.
unidentified		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		That'll do it every time, Joe.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And they got Donkey Cum because it's the cheapest cum.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		Boars.
		Boars ejaculate 15 ounces at a time.
unidentified		Whoa.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		So.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A wild boar, like a pig?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Really?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		15 ounces.
		That's a lot.
		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's a fucking beer stein.
		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		So this is it.
		So these guys, that guy's drinking Donkey Cum and his brother's drinking Donkey Piss.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I'd offer the piss.
unidentified		That guy chugged it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He chugged Donkey Cum.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'll get, I'm starting to drive.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot.
		That was a lot of cum.
		A black and tan kind of with the piss and the semen wouldn't have been a terrible idea.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was so nasty.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Who were the girls there?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, they were all twins.
		It was three sets of twins.
		And they had to play horseshoes.
		Like, her mascara's like.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		She had to drink the semen, too.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		And the thing is, three sets of people, three twins, three groups of twins did it.
		And only one won the money.
unidentified		Oh.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So two people drank Donkey Cum and two people drank Donkey Piss for nothing.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		You know what the worst part of that is?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Semen burps later.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Just the just that bleachy smell that the ladies, like between the two of them, were fighting over who drank the piss.
		They wanted to drink, they didn't want to drink the piss.
		They were happy to drink the cum, which I guess tracks.
		You know, like, been there, done that, not in that kind of volume, but what's the worst that could happen?
		Whereas the guys were like really trying not to drink the cum, you know?
		I don't know what they did to decide because they had to decide like one of them was going to drink cum, one of them's going to drink piss.
		So that was one of two times, two times where I was hosting this show where I said to the producers, don't do this.
		Don't do this.
		I'm like, you're going to, the show's going to get canceled.
		They're like, no, we're fine.
		NBC approved it.
		They did.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Like, they're the bellwethers of good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's a fucking guy on set who was like the NBC standards guy, the standards and practices guy.
		And I'm like, you're okay with this?
		Like, this is okay.
		And they're like, yeah, the network's fine with it.
		I'm like, this is so fucking.
		You guys are too close to this.
		I'm like, you guys are too close to this.
		You don't understand how the general public's going to react.
		And then I think what happened, I think it was TMZ, but someone leaked the footage online.
		Someone leaked like images of people drinking cum, like Fear Factor crosses the line.
		And then the outrage was palpable.
		Like it was like some serious outrage.
		And then that show never aired in America, but it aired overseas.
		I think it aired in like maybe the Netherlands or something like that.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Right.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Which Germany.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Which is where Fear Factor actually came from.
		Fear Factor was actually a show in the Netherlands called Now or Neverland.
		And then they brought it over to America when End of All purchased it and then they changed it to, I think they came up with the name Fear Factor after that.
		That was like why not was already on board.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Wow.
		I didn't know that.
		Yeah.
		There was no, there was virtually no blowback after Pontius drank horse cum in jackass number two.
		Never heard about it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it wasn't on TV, at least.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's something about television.
bobby green ▲ ● ▼		You know, censored, you know, federal communications approved Fear Factor.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And they drank cum.
		So that got us canceled.
		That was it.
		That was like 200, I guess, 11 or something like that.
		12.
unidentified		How many seasons do you do?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think we did six or seven initially, and then we did another, yeah, and then we did another six episodes, one of them that never aired.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Did you help write creative?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		No, You didn't want any part of that?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I had zero.
		No, what I would do is I'd show up at work.
		I'd get in my trailer.
		I'd take an edible, and then I would go to the set.
		And I'd be like, what do we got?
		I did the first two, the first four episodes I did sober.
		Then I was like, this is so boring.
		I need to get high.
		I would take pot lollipops and pot gummies and just get fucking lit and then enjoy it because then it was like, this is an adventure.
unidentified		What a great crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it was a fun gig.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I had so much fun too.
		All I do is like, all I did was talk.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		You know?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's easy.
		I ate a lot of shit.
		I ate a lot of things to try to encourage people.
		You know, like, because after a while, you got so much.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		So you would do the things with them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'd be like, you could do it.
		Look, I'll do it.
		I'll do it for you.
unidentified		Like, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And some of the times when I did it to just try to help people, I'm like, look, I'm going to show you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to do it and then you're going to do it.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then we didn't even air me doing it because I was like, because they didn't want to make it seem like it was, because I could do it easily.
		Because I was so used to disgusting stuff.
		I could just take a roach and just throw it down or take a worm and throw it down.
		I'm like, just do it.
		It's not that hard.
		It's all in your fucking head.
		Because I was trying to like, you know, I get it.
		Like, coach people through it.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I, when I took the job, I'm like, I, this, I'm just going to like give people hell, you know, the whole time, you know, and make their fears worse.
		But then I get to set and I, there's a human in front of you.
		And I'm like, I don't know.
		These are regular people and they really have fears.
		So I'm going to try it.
		I ended up like you trying to help them do it.
		But I was, I never wanted to do what they were doing for the fact that I never wanted that footage to be seen.
		Like I'm trying to, you know, like you were just like you had confidence that they wouldn't show that.
		And I'm like, ah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They showed a few things.
		They showed me eating like spiders.
		They showed me eating a roach.
		But I ate a lot of stuff that they never saw.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Or I did some things that they, because I just wanted these people to get it.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		No, I get it.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Like, you can do it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's in your head.
		I'm like, you just got to decide, like, your mind has to decide, I'm just going to do this.
		Just do it.
		Just go ahead and do it.
		Don't think about it, oh, my God, I can't believe I'm doing it.
		Just fucking do it.
		Chew, swallow, chew, swallow.
		I would just talk them through it.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And I became like a fucking motivational coach or something like that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was weird.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's real because after there was on the first, there was one girl that quit.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		She's like, I'm not continuing this bit, this stunt.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What was it?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Can you say?
		It was something with snakes, right?
		And it was a big fear.
		And after that, I got the cast together and I'm like, at least always try to do what we're doing.
		Don't let the fear stop you, right?
		Just always try.
		And after that, like everyone, even if they're horrified, they made an effort.
		And I felt good about that.
		And I think they did too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's cool.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I mean, some people, but it's sometimes good that someone quits.
		So you realize, like, this is real.
		Like, some people really like, especially snakes.
		Snakes, there's something about aphidiophobia that I think is primal.
		I think it's in your DNA.
		I think either your ancestors were either bitten by a snake and barely survived, or someone saw someone die from a snake.
		And that information is encoded in your DNA because the fear that people have of snakes is fucking wild.
		Like when they have legitimate aphidiophobia, it is a fucking crazy fear to watch.
		It's like their whole body locks up.
		They start shaking.
		Like, it's not a normal fear.
		It's like an ancient caveman fear that's locked into their DNA.
		Like someone thousands of years ago survived something like this.
		And that's the only reason why you're here.
		And every fiber of your being wants to fucking run away from snakes.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		It's wonderful.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		It has to be when someone has that and they want like bam terrified of snakes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Terrified.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And of course, we use that to our advantage.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		Yeah.
		Well, we would make people fill out a questionnaire when they would sign up for Fear Factor.
		Like, what are your fears?
		Bites, snakes, spiders.
		Well, you're getting heights, snakes, and spiders.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I would write tequila, whiskey, blowjobs.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I hate back massages.
		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		It was fascinating because, like, you know, I had a background in martial arts and teaching.
		And one of the things that I did when I was younger was I took a lot of people to tournaments.
		And I coached a lot of people in Taekwondo No tournaments and they'd be fucking terrified.
		And I would learned how to lock in with them and how to get them into a certain mindset, you know, as a coach.
		And I'd be like, look, you're going to get past this, and this is going to be like one of the highlights of your life because you're absolutely terrified.
		And this fear on the other side will be a completely different feeling.
		You'll have a feeling of accomplishment.
		You'll have a feeling of an understanding, of knowing that you can overcome very terrifying situations and you can triumph and you can do this.
		Like you have skills.
		You just have to be able to go out there and perform and you can do it.
		And I'd get in their head.
		I carried that over to Fear Factor sometimes because there were people that just needed help.
		Like they didn't, they had never experienced anything that really freaked them out before.
		They'd never experienced the kind of pressure of not just a competition, but a competition where they're doing something kind of dangerous.
		Something that really fucking freaked them out.
		They have to hold their breath underwater for like two minutes while they swim through a fucking thing.
		And we have rescue divers under there to rescue them and there's panic.
		And it was like, that was one thing that was really satisfying was being able to like take a person who was ready to fucking quit and then they went on and won the whole thing.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		That's that does make you feel good to push someone to the other side.
		And the survivor's euphoria waiting for you.
		Well, I heard that, I read about that term.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Survivor's euphoria.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And I realized I'd experienced it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Multiple times.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		There's a you ever heard of Colonel John Paul Stapp?
unidentified		No.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		He was a doctor, a biophysicist, flight surgeon, and he worked with Chuck Yeager and all that out at Edwards.
		It was, it's now Edwards Air Force Base.
		And they were conducting experiments on what happens to a pilot when they eject at high altitude.
		And Colonel John Paul Stapp, because these experiments were gnarly.
		They were on deceleration.
		They built this huge sled out in the desert, and he would strap himself in because the thinking at the time was if you're going to do something, a very dangerous experiment, a lot of times people back then would put themselves at the center because they didn't want to.
		Of course, they had other people doing it, and he did it most, though.
		So they would go hundreds of miles per hour, yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Whoa.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Hundreds of miles per hour and stop within eight feet.
		And at the time, I think they thought you could only experience maybe 18 Gs of deceleration.
		He at one time experienced 49 Gs of deceleration.
		I think it's the most ever that any human is.
		And he went blind for a little bit.
		And he knew that was going to happen because he'd had that happen before in these experiments.
		And the night before, the one where he got 49 G's, experienced 49 Gs, he went around his house with his eyes closed and just trying to do things like cook.
		And if he did go blind forever, he's one of the most, he would, he, at one time, he was known as the fastest man alive on that sled.
		He went faster than anyone at the time.
		He and he's the reason we have seat belts in cars.
		He's one of the most brilliant men of the 20th century.
		He was on the cover of Time magazine.
		No one knows who he is today.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		But he talked about survivor's euphoria, and that's where I learned about it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What did he say about it?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Just the endorphins that get released after going through something like that, and that you did survive.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And it's just fills you up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And so he knew he was going to go blind, and he did it anyway.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		He knew that there was a high probability of going blind.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And a possibility of being blind forever.
unidentified		Yes.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And he was blind for like a couple days before it started getting sensing light again.
		Yeah.
		He's an amazing, amazing person.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I did a flight with the Blue Angels once.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		How was that?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was amazing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		First of all, you don't think of that being a physical thing, that those guys have to be physically fit.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, you go to, when we went to the base, before you, you know, do the whole safety thing, they explain everything, what you're going to have to do.
		You see that these guys are all fucking jacked.
		They're all like superheroes.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		It's because they're not the bigot.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're short like me.
		And they're all like thick.
		They're all like fucking jacked dudes.
		And they were like, well, first of all, you don't want to be tall because it's all about how much time it takes for the blood to get from your heart to your brain.
Fighter Jet G-Forces 00:03:54
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And the shorter distance it has to travel, the better off you are.
		And you have to be physically strong because you do it.
		Have you ever done it?
		You ever done a flight in a fighter jet?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		No, but we did the vomit comet in Russia.
unidentified		Okay.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		But Steve O went up in a MIG.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They do a thing called hooking.
		So what it is, is like you hold on to the joystick or you, there's straps that strap your legs down as well.
		You know, like you're really harnessed in.
		You hold on to your straps.
		You go like this.
		And what you're literally doing is forcing blood into your brain because you feel consciousness closing like an elevator door.
		It's like you feel the pressure, like you're going black.
		You literally see it.
		You see the darkness on the side of the floor.
		And you're just trying to keep the blood in your brain.
		We went seven and a half G's, but the guy in front of me, while we're doing this, so you're taking this fucking heart.
		You're like flying through these canyons.
		Like he was going for it.
		Like he really took me on a ride.
		It wasn't a safe ride.
		It was wild.
		We were like a couple hundred feet off the ground, maybe, and whipping through these canyons, taking these fucking hard turns.
		And I heard him going, hoot, hoot, hoot.
		So I'm going, oh, fuck, he's blacking out too.
		I'm like, we're going hundreds of miles an hour, just like 100 feet off the ground, whipping through these canyons.
		This guy's about to fucking black out too.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		That's not what you want to hear.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was terrifying, but also like super educational.
		Like, you know, you just see people flying around.
		You're like, oh, it's probably like driving a car.
		No, it's unbelievably physically demanding.
		And the Blue Angels, they don't use gravity suits.
		Or at least they didn't.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		No, no, what?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		They don't use decompression suits?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, no, it's just a regular flight suit.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Well, did they not go up to a certain what altitude were they?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is a form.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's a jet.
		It's not like you have to, like, you're not in a spaceship, right?
		So the whole thing is just about being able to stay conscious.
		And the thing about the gravity suit is, I guess, somehow or another, it aids your ability to absorb all those G's.
		I'm not really educated about it, but I just do know that he said there's ways that you wear suits that make this easier, but they don't wear the suits.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think if you go up to a certain altitude, you have to have the dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This wasn't an altitude thing.
unidentified		Right, right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This was just a G-Force thing.
		It was just the hard turns.
		It was like the wicked turns at hundreds of miles an hour.
		And also just thinking about the tolerances of the aircraft itself and the pressure that's on the hull.
		Because the feeling of being in a jet, going 100 miles an hour, hundreds of miles an hour, and then hitting a hard turn.
		It's just your whole body just like fuck.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And you're just along for the ride.
		I mean, they're so skilled to be able to overcome the forces.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He let me do some stuff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like I got to make the jet do a loop.
unidentified		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I got to get it to roll over, to get it to go upside down and go back over.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he showed me how to do that.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		You were in control of it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, he's there too.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's really fucking stupid.
		I'm sure he has ultimate control, but I have a joystick too.
		He's allowed to do some stuff.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Do you think, I mean, they could give you a joystick and it not be connected to anything too and make you just say you could.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But it was connected.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You could clearly tell while you're moving it.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Oh, man.
		That's pretty scary.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It made you want to get one of those things.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, how dope would it be to have one of those?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Get one of those jets?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because you can get one of those.
Russia's Fully Loaded Bombs 00:04:16
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		If you're like a super rich guy.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, you can get one, but you got to, you know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, how much is a, because we looked this up one day.
		You could buy like decommissioned fighter jets.
		You know, they don't have any machine guns on them or anything crazy, but you can get a decommissioned fighter jet.
		If you're like some fucking psychotic billionaire and you got your own landing strip, you could get a fucking fighter jet.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Which is gnarly.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if you go to Russia, you could probably get one fully loaded.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		$1,500, dog.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		$1,500.
unidentified		$1.5 million.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A million.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's a million five.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Well, shit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Look at this one.
		$395,000.
		You get one.
		What's like a really dope one?
		It's like, go look, make it price.
		Okay, 5-4.
		What is that one?
		For $5 million, what do you get?
		A $1992 McDonnell Douglas Skyhawk.
unidentified		Ooh.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I mean, for that price, you should get a couple of rockets with it.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Come on.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I bet you could go to Russia and they'll give you some rockets.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
		Yeah, we shot in Russia and you can literally do anything you want in Russia.
		They let me get on a military base and shoot missiles out of a cannon.
		They took Steve-O up in a MIG.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is back when we were friendly with Russia.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
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johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's like 2005.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And it was wild.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Russia, we had so much fun.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you ever look back on how surreal your life has been and all these experiences?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I feel it a lot.
		Like, for example, in Russia, because growing up, like you would do those disaster drills in school in case Russia dropped the bomb and run out behind your locker and put your head between your legs.
		Like that would help if a bomb was dropped.
		But they were such the bad guy.
		And then it was 2005 and now I'm on it, been in movies and I'm over there.
		And that felt very surreal to be in Russia and think about what's happened to my life.
		There are moments like that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was weird too because you got out of it and became a movie star, but then you were doing it again.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like you were right back in.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And it kind of started in Russia, actually.
		We were doing a bit.
		We'd done a few things over in Russia, and we were doing something with the Russian Special Forces where we were on through this, what do you call it?
		When there's dogs and obstacle course?
		Yeah, we're on an obstacle course.
		And they had all these things set up.
		I'm like, all right, well, I was like, Jeff, why don't you have their attack dog attack me and then shoot me with the rubber bullets and then have the guy kick me in the face when I get to the end.
Can't Get Concussions 00:06:07
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And we shot that and the dog attacked me and the Russian guy, the special forces guy said, I'm not going to kick you in the face.
		But he did deliver a nice blow to my solar plexus.
		I had to beg him to do it three times to like, no, you got to do it as hard as you can.
		But Jeff pulled me aside and goes, look, this was just for a while, the TV show Wild Boys.
		I would travel with them sometimes.
		He goes, if you're going to go this hard for basic cable, why don't we do another movie?
		And I was like, all right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How many movies have you guys done?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		We've done four.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And we just announced we're going to do, I just announced we're going to do another, it was going to be out June 26th.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Have you filmed it already?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		No, we're about to film it in February.
		Oh, late February.
		So start then.
		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you feel apprehension?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you feel like, you know?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		No.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Like...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But you can't get a concussion.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		No, I can't get any concussions, but I mean, I don't care if I break my arm or leg.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		No one cares about that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You don't care about breaking your arm or your leg?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Really?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Really?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So this is something.
		This is like a feeling.
		You've developed this.
		I don't care.
		You didn't have that when you first started doing it.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you went back to the point, there was probably some self-worth issues when I began.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		It didn't come from a healthy place, Joe.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But it's not just that.
		It's like you don't have a fear of being radically injured.
		Because you blow your knee out or you blow your leg out.
		You're limping for the rest of your life.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I don't.
		It doesn't.
		That doesn't bother me.
		No.
unidentified		God, I'm so averse to that shit.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		It's like the producer side of me overrides the performer side.
		It's like, hey, but we're going to get footage.
		And it's about as simple as that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So you'll still do dangerous shit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You just don't want to do anything that you can do.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I can't get any concussions.
		I don't care about.
		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But if you're going to be in a violent situation where you could break an arm or a leg, you easily could get a concussion as well.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Well, you got to assess, Joe.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Risk assessment.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What the fuck does your waivers look like?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know.
		It was, you know, on the first movie, the insurance companies insured it per bit.
		They didn't insure the whole movie.
		They just insured it per bit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's how they did it with Fear Factor as well.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		So some bits costs were, the insurance was going to be more than the whole first movie.
		So can't do those.
		But after that, we find a shady insurance company and they take care of us.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Once you started acting, though, and doing big movies, wasn't there any part of you who was like, okay, I'm done with this?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		No.
		It's so fun.
		It's something that I created with my friends.
		Right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And then there's probably my wires got crossed somehow, and then I learned to like it.
		I would love it, you know.
		I guess it's like a comedian learning to love bombing, right?
unidentified		No one learns to love bombing.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		I've talked to a couple comedians, and they're like, you got to learn to love it and basically not fear it.
		Yeah.
		And I kind of did that with stunts, I guess.
		I like learned to, I just, I just liked it.
		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You ever talk to a shrink about that?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Well, while I was doing, I have to, I know, I have a therapist, and I'm like, okay, we can talk about everything in my life, but not the part of me that does stunts.
		Really?
		Yeah.
		Because I didn't want to unwind that, even though it went sideways quite a few times.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's a wild statement.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I didn't want to unwind that.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So I've looked into it a little now that I can't get any more concussions.
		Don't crush my career.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What is, yeah, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What a crazy job for the therapist.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like the one area where you really probably should address.
		You know what I mean?
		You have this like overall, what is Johnny Knoxville?
		What's going on in his head?
		And there's this one door.
		Yeah, you can't go in that room.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we can't.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		The biggest problem we can address.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of a crazy thing.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, I should have went to college.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you get annoyed having to answer all these questions all the time about that kind of shit?
		Because after a while, I would imagine that is the most common thing that people would want to talk to you about.
		Like, how many times have you been hurt?
		What happened?
		What is it like?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
		I mean, I, again, I get the joke, what I would be doing if I wasn't doing this.
		So I'm grateful.
		And so if somebody wants to talk about it, let's talk.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're obviously a smart guy.
		I don't buy that.
		You could do anything.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Well, when I started down this road, this was my best guess.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, it just became something I'm doing.
Crazy Characters of the Tire Company 00:08:32
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And, yeah, I guess I did want to write, but I incorporate that into the movies.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was a very strange life, Johnny.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I guess, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		For sure.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I kind of created the environment that I grew up in with my father.
		He owned a tire company, and he had all these crazy characters working for him, like people like Big George, Ass Kicking Robert, this guy SDs named Super Dick.
		One guy named W.W. Woodrow Wilson Boxcar Johnson Jr.
		He was the tire groover who was always getting arrested for one thing or another.
		And he was always pranking these people at work, his people that work for him.
		He would stage gunfights at Christmas parties.
		What?
		He did this twice.
		One year at the Christmas party, he gave a couple of the guys, his employees, guns and said, okay, I want you guys to get an argument, and I want to culminate with you pulling out a gun and firing, and you pulling out your gun.
		They were blank guns.
		And everyone just, it was in a pretty gnarly part of town, too, but everyone just ran out into the streets.
		Dad was ecstatic.
		So the next year, so the next year there are two new employees, and he's like, hey, hey, Merle, come over here.
		Are you guys, you're going to get in a fight?
		And you're going to start yelling and you're going to pull out the guns.
		And it's the same gag.
		So they did it, and they were very excited.
		And they pulled out the gun, started firing, but dad had given everyone else in the party blank guns.
		So they started firing back at those goose.
		Those dudes take off running down the street.
		So, yeah, it's just kind of imitating what my father did, I guess.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Does your father feel any responsibility?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Dad loved jackass, but hated the parts where I would do stunts.
		My whole family did.
		Of course.
		And, but they, you know, I just doing what I saw growing up, he would send letters to his friends from the VD clinic, rubber stamped on the envelope, saying you have to list your last 10 partners because you've contracted a venereal disease, signed Dr. Harlan C. Titmore.
		But people would get these letters, or worse, the guy's wife would get the letter.
		And the thing about something like that, people become angry and emotional, and then they believe everything.
		That's the great thing about pranks.
		If you can get someone so wound up that they're really emotional, they'll believe anything.
		And so this guy would come home from work, and then the mother, like his wife would be there.
		The wife's mother would be there.
		He had a gun pulled on him over that once.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A real gun.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, real guns.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Your dad sounds like a fucking maniac.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		He would send letters out from the IRS telling people they're going to be audited.
		He got visited by the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation over that.
		He didn't do that anymore.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that makes more sense now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so you grew up in a very unusual environment.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, very unusual.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How did your dad get started doing shit like that?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		He just had that personality.
		He was such a shit starter.
		He should have been in show business is what should have been, but he used him not.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you ever think about using him?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Uh...
		He was in one episode when we were doing the TV show.
		My mom and him were in the episode.
		But he wrote a couple of bits for Jack.
		He was like, hey, I want you to do this.
		And we filmed a couple.
		See, he loved that.
		So, yeah, he, I don't know.
		He didn't know how to go about being in show business.
		Neither did I either.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But it seems like he was doing his own, almost like a local play.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He was doing his own version of it for himself.
unidentified		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Oh, for sure.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Just to entertain himself.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I guess you could do that when you're the boss.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		He, like I in high school.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's a crazy guy to work for.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I'd be laying on the couch.
		I took a nap.
		You know, it was like a junior, senior, or whatever.
		And I felt something go through my lips.
		And he had went and got a hot dog and microwaved it until it was lukewarm and drugged the hot dog through my lips.
		And then when I woke up, he acted like he was zipping his pants.
		He thought just him laughing at his own joke just made everything.
		He thought it was the funniest thing.
		And then, like, you're on board too.
		Yeah.
		He was a character.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that makes more sense now.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because I'm like, how does a normal guy dive into something like Jackass?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That makes more sense.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You were sort of indoctrinated at an early age.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Very early.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Some of the shit that made me the most uncomfortable was the wild boy stuff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like Steve-O showed me a video of him when he climbed a tree and the lions came up the tree and took his hat.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Which is disrespectful if you think about it.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Just take his hat?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Fortunate because if they didn't have the hat, they might have just grabbed his whole head and just dragged him off.
		You know?
		I mean, those were actual lions.
		Yeah, no, they weren't pet lions.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		You're entering into a situation that's unpredictable and kind of hoping for the best is what you're doing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And they didn't have any backup plan.
		I mean, when you're in a tree and the lions go up the tree to get you, there's nothing really anybody could do to help you.
		By the time, if it gets a hold of you, you're dead.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		There's nothing anyway.
		Like, here's an example of the backup plans we have.
		Steve-O's filming a bit with an alligator on Jackass, and our safety guy, Manny Puig, who dives in swamps at night with the miners light to pull alligators up to the surface in crocodiles.
		He's Tarzan.
		He's Tarzan.
		He was our safety guy.
		And it's like, okay, if this goes south, what do we do?
		Manny goes, okay, we're going to be doing this stunt with the alligator.
		And if the alligator grabs a hold of Steve-O and bites him, hopefully he will let go.
		And that was it.
		That was the whole plan.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's no like pokemon in the eyes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's no like.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		If the gator doesn't want to let go, he's not going to let go.
unidentified		So.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Fuck, dude.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		The wild animals ones are the nutty.
		One of the ones where you guys are playing keep away with hyenas.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		They have the strong, like one of the strongest jaw, the bite in the animal kingdom.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Maybe like third or fourth.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		What are you going to do?
		There's nothing you can do.
		Just hope for the best.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and they have instincts.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like if you twist your ankle and they see you limping.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		I was doing a thing with we were in Argentina at this zoo and we were like, hey, can I get in with the lions?
		Because there was a couple of keepers in there with it.
		And they're like, yeah, come on in.
		And they're like, but whatever you do, don't trip and fall.
		I'm like, oh, shit.
		And so I got on a bike and started riding around the pen.
		And they're like, if we give you a signal, you got to.
		And so I'm riding around the pen.
		They're like, no, Get down.
unidentified		Get off.
unidentified		Get up.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Because the lion locked in on me and was about to attack me.
Parents' Perspective on Risk 00:05:08
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And they hurried me out of the pen.
		And afterwards, they're like, yeah, that was the first time anyone, asides from us, has been in the pen with them.
		And it's also mating season, so he's very aggressive.
		Like, well, I wish he'd have told me that before I got in there.
		Well, I still would have gone in there, but it was a real half-ass type of situation.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's just like, you guys just have avoided death over and over and over again.
unidentified		Yeah, we've been lucky.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But like, that's a fucked-up way to go through life.
unidentified		I guess, but relaxing philosophically.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, man.
unidentified		It just went to the bottom.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And for sure, you entertain the fuck out of millions and millions of people who laughed their asses off and had a great fucking time watching.
		I get, I don't know why, but I get anxiety.
		I have a really hard time watching those things.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I avoid them.
		Like a lot of my friends, like, we're going to see Jackass.
		I'm like, I don't, I can't.
		I get freaked out.
		I don't want anybody to get hurt.
		It's weird.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I feel that way when one of the guys is doing something like pretty gnarly.
		I'm not ecstatic over watching something that could have a forever consequence.
		But with me, I don't know.
		I'm just like, let's go.
		I just, it's, I just, it's fun.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I know, but even after you have a family and even after, you know, you have kids that are watching the dad get fucked up.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the thing.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't, I didn't want my kids to see that, you know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But they had to see.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		At a certain age, like, I didn't let my oldest daughter, she could watch things with We Man or this or that, and but I didn't let her come to a movie until she was 14.
		I made her sit right next to me.
		And I said, Madison, there's sometimes you have to close your eyes, sometimes cover your ears, and sometimes both.
		And I had the list of bits.
		And so it was, I censored it even then.
		But now it's the internet.
		It's a fucking free-for-all.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		So I guess my younger kids, I think, you know, they saw it a little earlier.
		I get with, I only showed my son like a year ago in my daughter's six months ago.
		It's a good reaction that he was on board.
		My youngest daughter, she thought a lot of things were funny, but I don't know.
		I guess I don't know how she felt because they only, my youngest only saw the first jackass movie, which is pretty tame compared to the others.
		Looking back, it's pretty innocent, even though Ryan Dunn shoved a car up his ass to get an x-ray little toy car.
		Did you see that bitch?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that one worked.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you worry that they're going to follow in your footsteps?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		No.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have daughters, and they're just naturally more bright.
		And my son, like, he would joke about it, like, to his mom, that he's going to, but he's not going to.
		He's bright, too.
		They have options.
		I didn't see a lot of options for myself.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's weird that you said that, like, your daughters are bright, because girls are definitely more risk-averse and like ridiculous situations like that.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Think things through.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I have a way harder time watching girls get hurt.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I don't, I don't.
		We had a girl on the show.
		She like broke her lower back.
		She was doing a thing.
		We're doing a just an it was a pretty tame stunt compared to the ones we do.
		She was going down like a, it was grass, but it was like a big hill on a, like a some kind of rubber raft.
		And she had her lav mic at the lower, on her lower back.
		And she came off, and that was the impact area.
		And for the longest, and it really was a bummer for everybody, you know, and I'm like, I don't, I didn't have, we didn't have a female cast member for a long time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What was the extensive extensive?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		It was, it was, she was in the hospital for a little bit.
		She's fine now.
		I just saw her at the Jackass Art Show in November and she's fine, but it sucks.
Women's Foreheads: A Norma Mystery 00:15:49
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You had a jackass art show?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		Because it was our 25th anniversary last year, and I'm like, let's have an art show and have, we have some cast members and crew members who are good artists.
		And I'm like, let's reach out to some big artists to see if they'll do it.
		And we did.
		It's the first time I ever curated an art show.
		And I was like, fuck, I'm going to reach out to Damien Hearst to see if he'll do it.
		And he ended up doing 10 pieces of art for it.
		I was like, wow.
		You know, I was really blown away by the good vibes that we got from everyone over it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because you guys didn't just create a show.
		You created like a chapter in modern pop culture history.
		Really?
		Because it became one of the most entertaining things ever and one of the most ridiculous things ever.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		Yeah, that's tough to I never really walked down those roads.
		Yeah, I don't, I don't know.
		I appreciate you saying that, though, but it's it's it's odd, you know, to entertain that thought.
		Especially if you see me and Tremaine sitting around writing ideas, you're like, these two idiots did that.
		Like, if you could see how we shoot, it's just you, it's amazing we get any footage at all, Joe.
		Jeff Ross came out with this on Jackass Number Two.
		We're doing some bit and some prank with me and Spike as old people.
		And me and Spike would like hit bus stops and anywhere where there was people.
		And we would jump out and start doing pranks before the cameras even arrived.
		And it was driving Jeff insane.
		He's like, you guys shoot a movie like it's a pickup basketball game.
		And he just roasted us for about five minutes straight.
		And it was all accurate.
		It's like, it's amazing we get any footage.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but like that's the spirit of it is that you're doing it for fun.
		So you would be doing it if the cameras were on or not.
		You're doing it for yourselves as much as you're doing it for the camera.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Oh, for sure.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Which is why it's so good.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I don't know how to make other people laugh, right?
		If I'm writing a bit, I don't.
		That would freeze me.
		But I know how to make my friends laugh.
		And if they're laughing, I think, we may have something.
		And that's the only bellwether.
		Like, if you do something, like in the magic trick with the bull, we did that twice.
		Cause the first time, the first bull just came and didn't really knock me up in the air.
		He just got me on the ground and just started plowing me, stomping me.
		And I got up, and everyone was looking at me like, yeah.
		I'm like, all right.
		And I looked at Jeff and he's like, I'm like, all right, bring the other bull in.
		That sucks.
		Take two with bulls always sucks.
		You're hoping you get that first one.
unidentified		Oh, God.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The things with the animals are the ones I think that freaked me out the most.
		So Wild Boys was the hardest one for me to watch.
		I've really struggled with that show.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		The one that Jeff and I got in a half argument over, I was in Arkansas shooting the riot control test.
		Me, Bam, and Dunn were standing in front of the riot control.
		Shoots like 10,000 hard rubber beads at you.
		We were shooting that.
		And they were in New Orleans about to go out and put a hook through Steve-O's jaw, chum up the waters, and cast him out to the water with sharks.
		I'm like, what are we doing, Jeff?
		What's the best possible outcome here?
		He's like, oh, no, no, it's fine.
		It's fine.
		And I'm like, we're going to get his foot bit off?
		It's fine.
		And it ended up being fine, but I was questioning the bit.
		And it's a great bit.
		The shark goes to bite his foot, and Steve-O kicks him at the last second and scares the shark away.
unidentified		Oh.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was just dumb luck.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And he had a hook through his mouth?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I never saw it.
		It was like a bit of Jamie.
		Oh, you're not going to look at that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		It took him like 15 minutes to get that hook through his mouth.
		And the thing about it, they shot it the day before and it didn't go good.
		So there's a hole on the other side of his jaw, too.
		You just can't see it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is so fucking stupid.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, thank you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God, dude.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, see, he's in.
		Oh, yeah, it was going for him, and then he kicks it and got him back in.
		That would have been bad.
		That'd have been forever bad.
		Old peg leg Steve-O.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And he's like mentoring young guys that are doing it too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like last time he was on, he was showing, yeah, let me show you this one guy that I'm hanging out with.
unidentified		Yeah, dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's got this guy running through barbed wire.
		I'm like, what the fuck?
		This guy's radical.
		He's covering himself with firecrackers.
		I'm like, no.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know.
		That's Zach.
		We got him in the cast.
		Yeah, he's pretty up for it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How bad is he fucked up?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, if you've seen, he was doing some trick on a skateboard, and he was a rather Rubin-esque young fellow, and he just compound fractured his ankle.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I don't think he would like that one at all.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He didn't pop through the skin the whole deal.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure it popped through the skin, but it was doing things that ankles shouldn't do.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What a weird life you've lived, dude.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Very strange.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		It's been okay.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, I mean, look, you're fine.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		No, it's odd.
		I get it.
		I get it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What are you laughing at, Jamie?
unidentified		I just saw the injury here.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Let me see.
		Okay, here he goes.
		And.
unidentified		Oh!
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I guess that was more his shin.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's his tibia and his fibromyalgia.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Dib fib.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's the Conor McGregor right there.
unidentified		Yeah, look at the cast on Instagram.
unidentified		I'm not sure.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Joe Dieseman.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's the Anderson Silva.
		I've seen a few of those.
		Those are the most painful things I've ever seen in UFC fights.
		The things that really bother me are the leg breaks.
		When someone throws a kick and the kick gets checked and you see their leg wrap around the shin.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		The Anderson Silva one was very disturbing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that was horrible.
		It's crazy.
		Like, it's only happened four times in the history of MMA or in the history of the UFC, and two of them involve Chris Weideman.
		One, Chris Wideman, did it to Anderson Silva, where Anderson Silva broke his leg, and then Chris Wideman broke his leg in the exact same way against Uriah Hall.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I don't know if I saw the one against Uriah Hall.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So loud because what he did was, it was the first kick he threw.
		It was the first round of the fight.
		He threw a full power low kick, and Uriah checked it.
unidentified		Oh.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And you hear it just snap.
		Do the headphones work?
		Can we hear it?
		They're still fucked?
		Good.
unidentified		Good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You don't need to hear it.
		But here it is.
		Full power.
		Correct.
unidentified		Wow.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Whoa, whoa.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then he puts his foot down.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		That doesn't, oh, that doesn't look real.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he was never the same again.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you can't come back from that, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, he, I mean, guys, they don't really come back.
		You know, Connor McGregor hasn't fought again since, I mean, he's thrown kicks with it.
		I've seen him spar with it.
		I don't, I mean, there's a one guy who is a heavyweight in the PFL that apparently came back and continued his career after he shot.
		So you can find who that guy is.
		There's a heavyweight guy who was in the PFL that snapped his shin like that and then came back and kept fighting.
		Wideman's have some fights since then, and he's actually even thrown that kick since then.
		Yeah, but I don't think you're the same.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that would mentally get to you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, one leg now weighs more, right?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Even if it's titanium, there's more, there's screws, there's a bunch of shit in there.
		And then I've got to think that it feels different.
		There's no way.
		And then there's the psychological thing.
		Like, you've already been through.
		I mean, I think Chris had to go through some insane amount of surgeries, multiple surgeries, to try to correct it and to fix it because it didn't take right the first time.
		You're hoping the bones grow back together.
		You got a rod and then screws, and then you're hoping the bone fuses all around it.
		And in some circumstances, they have to make a decision whether or not they go back in another time and take all the supporting stuff out and just have your bone exist normally.
unidentified		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And you don't want, and then it's like the risk of infection.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's fucking gnarly.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I have the hardest time.
		But I have a harder time watching women get fucked up than I do men.
		You know, maybe this is the sexist in me or whatever it is.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		The UFC fights with women, they go for it.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the men go for it, but it just seems like the women are just extra aggressive.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it just seems crazier when they're doing it, when they're beating the fuck out of each other for whatever reason.
		Like, there's a fight that happened at the UFC Sphere when they did it at the sphere in Vegas.
		We had one event there.
		And there's this lady, Irene Aldana, who's a beast.
		And she got a cut in her forehead that I can't believe the referee didn't stop the fight because it looked like someone hit her in the face with an axe.
		Like her entire forehead was split wide open.
		Blood was pouring out of her face.
		And she's just, that's it right there.
		Look at that.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my goodness.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And she's marching forward, throwing bombs where blood is like splattering, like blood splattering with every punch that lands on her face.
		And she's moving forward throwing bombs.
		It was fucking crazy.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, she's a warrior.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
		I mean, that's the beginning of the cut.
		The cut got even worse than that.
		It was horrible at the end.
		I mean, it was fucking massive.
		It had to be like a six-inch cut on her forehead.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		That's insane.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, you could see the whole skull.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, when I was interviewing her, when I was talking to her after the fight, you could see her whole skull was like exposed.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I, you know, when we're talking about the last doing jackass forever, we're talking about getting new cast members and talking about bringing on some females.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Look how crazy that is.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And I was a little-that's insane.
		Insane.
		That's insane.
		And I was a little hesitant.
		And then my assistant, Megan, and I'm talking to other people.
		They're like, look, guys do it.
		It's like women can do it.
		And I was and I was forced to address it and let go of it.
		And I'm like, all right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Who was saying guys do it?
		Women can do it.
		Was it a guy or a girl?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		No, my assistant, Megan.
		She was.
		And a couple of other friends, women.
		And then they're just like, you got to stop looking at it that way.
		And I said, all right.
		And I just moved forward and we got Rachel Wolfson, and she was fantastic.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I love Rachel.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She's at the club all the time.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		She's the best.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She's fun.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She's a cool chick.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, she's great.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is there a photo of a Rainy Aldana's face now?
		See what it looks like when it's all healed up?
		It bothers me, man.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Did she, how many?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's not real.
		That's a filter.
		That's an Instagram filter, dog.
		There's no way.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		That's an avatar.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's what she looks like now after the scar?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is that possible?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		That's an avatar.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not possible that that went away.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		See, Google or run a search of Rainy Aldana after the surgery.
unidentified		That's like two weeks ago.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but that's all.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's makeup.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Makeup and filter.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's like, that's what she's doing.
unidentified		Okay, there you go.
		There you go.
		You can see.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Go back there.
		Said it again.
		You can kind of see.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, when the light hits it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		there you go.
		You see it right there.
		Yeah.
unidentified		Wow.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		It looks pretty good.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you can see it, but it gives her character.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, for a man, for a man, that's pretty dope, right?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		It looks like she's pretty okay with everything.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She's a beast.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's an unusual woman that is not just willing to do that and get her face cut open like that, but also like march forward in a mask of blood, like a fucking horror movie, throwing bombs.
		And she was cut over her eye.
		Her nose was split open, giant cash on her forehead, and just marching forward.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		So they did, and she was fighting.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Who is she fighting?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And did they have a rematch?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Because I assume the judge, the referee, called it afterwards.
unidentified		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, it went the decision.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, she lost the decision.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		The doctor, they go over to the doctor.
unidentified		He looks at it.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		He's like, ah, you'll never notice on the galloping horse.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Get back in there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what the referee was thinking because referees have stopped fights for less injuries.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's very subjective.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Usually when it goes from your eyebrow to the top of your skull.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's very subjective.
		Like one referee or one doctor will say, let it go.
		And then another doctor will go, it's over.
		And if the doctor says it's over, it's over.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		But a referee inspected it when it went and split up her head.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		They wiped it down.
		They allowed her to continue.
		Yeah, she got cut.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Who is that referee who looked at it and said, yeah, you're fine.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Get back in there, kid.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		See if you can find video of it.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Look at her nose.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		The nose will stop the fight.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Noses destroyed.
		Forehead's destroyed.
		I don't remember what she got hit with.
		It was most likely an elbow that did that.
		Who is she fighting?
		Norma Dumont.
		Norma Dumont.
		Norma Dumont's a beast, too.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And who won?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Norma did.
		Normal one.
		But what did she – like, see if you can find a video of it.
		The video of it is gnarly.
		And we're freaking out because we're doing the commentary.
		I'm like, oh, my God, this lady is a savage.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		What round did that happen in?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's a good question.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I want to say it was the second round, but I don't totally remember.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was a video game.
		What did you just have?
		You just had it.
		It's a video game.
		Oh, it's a video game.
		The video games are so good.
		You can't tell the difference now.
Knockouts And Gender Differences 00:15:40
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's the problem.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		You're gonna fight in the video game.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's uh but again, it's I don't know why.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like when a woman gets knocked out, it bugs me way more.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm so used to guys getting knocked out.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When a guy gets knocked out, I'm like, I hope he's okay.
		But when a woman gets knocked out, it's like my stomach turns.
		I'm like, you're sitting there in your commentary chair.
		You're just like, oh, fuck, man.
		When someone gets shinned in the head, just bang.
		And you see them stiffen up.
		It's like, there's something about a woman getting knocked out that I don't know why.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's part of my brain.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like, no.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm so used to men getting knocked out.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, it looks like, I mean, you've seen a lot of fights.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I've probably seen more people get the fuck beaten out of them than anybody who's ever lived.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		In person?
		Like, in person, watching elite fighters smash each other.
		I've probably seen more people get pummeled than anybody.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I wonder the number of knockouts you've seen.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it has to be in the thousands.
		I don't know.
		I don't know.
		I don't know how many fights I've called.
		I've started doing commentary.
		Well, I started doing post-fight interviews in 1997.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So that was the first.
		I worked at UFC 12 in 1997.
		Now we're at like UFC 324.
		So, and I've been there for a large percentage of them.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I hate to pivot, but what do you think of Fedor?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I love him.
		I love him.
		He's one of the all-time greats.
		He was one of my favorite fighters of all time.
		He's the great, the great tragedy is Fedor never fought in the UFC against Cain Velasquez because they were both in their prime at the exact same time.
		And they could have made that happen.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I love Fedor.
unidentified		He was a man.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		He was pride fights.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Tremaine and I would, we'd all get, every time the pride fights were on, we'd always watch Fedor.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And dude, he was stoic.
		I mean, stoic.
		Like, dead face, no matter what was going on.
		It could be the most chaotic, insane fight, getting blasted in the face, never changed his expression like a fucking robot.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Before the fight, all the fighters are jumping up and down, looking around.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And he looks like he's about to fall asleep.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Oh, he was amazing.
		His mindset was fucking impenetrable.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		You remember when Kevin Randleman suplexed him?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And I've never seen someone get suplexed on their head and not only push through it, but he submitted him pretty soon afterwards, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he got him in an arm bar.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like very shortly after that.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		That still doesn't make any sense to me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he was a freak.
		He was a freak, man.
		Look at his face.
		Look how calm he looks.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Here it is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So he gets slapped.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my goodness.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And just rolls.
		Just rolls right into it.
		I mean, that was that could have knocked most people completely unconscious, could have separated your vertebra.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And look, he's still, look how strong.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And he reversed the position like seconds later.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And Randleman was good on the ground.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, fuck yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Randleman was a world-class wrestler.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		But look at that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But Fedora was special, man.
		He was special.
		And this is like Randallman's wearing wrestling shoes, too.
		He was allowed to wear wrestling shoes.
		Pride had a lot of crazy rules.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		That left of Fedor's.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, everything, man.
		Everything.
		He was the most complete.
		So he pins down the arm and he eventually catches him.
		I think he caught him in a Kimura.
		A Kimura or a straight arm lock.
		It might have been.
		Yeah, here it is.
		He caught him in a Kimura.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Here it is.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's insane.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Insane.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Within a minute, he turned it around.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, he was the most complete out of all those guys because he was a guy that could fight you standing up at an elite level, but also in any kind of wild scramble.
		He would catch an arm bar off of his back.
		He would submit you on the ground.
		He could throw you.
		He could do everything.
		He was the most complete out of all the heavyweights of his era.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I remember when he was fighting Noguera, I was like, oh no, this is, it could go south for Fedor.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You thought so?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I was worried.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		You know, because I love, you know, you like, you look up to a fighter and you're like, he can't lose.
		I don't want him to lose.
		And I was worried about Noguera, but he beat him twice, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and they were brutal.
		The ground and pounds were fucking brutal.
		When he was on top of Noguera, just bombing on him.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm like, Fedor, don't go to the ground with Noguera because I'm just worried.
		Unlike his aunt or something.
		But no problem.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, he was awesome.
		But there's a time where a fighter can operate under that peak form, and it's a short window.
		And I always say when you're looking at the greatest of all time, you have to look at them in that peak window.
		You can't look at them when they're fighting in their late 30s and they probably shouldn't be fighting anymore.
		You got to judge them based on who they were in their prime because every combat sport athlete has a limited amount of time where they can operate in their prime.
		And Fedor in his prime was about as good as anybody who ever lived.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I love hearing you say that.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Because I really am amazing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Fucking amazing.
		But it's like when we had Kane in the UFC, Kane Velasquez, who was another superhuman freak, also super stoic, would just go and had cardio like no heavyweight ever.
		Like freakish, God-given cardio.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And they'd call him cardio Kane because he would just put a pace on guys.
		Well, you'd see the look on their face.
		And it was like the second round.
		They're like, I can't do this.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And he's just ready to go.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just not even out of breath, just smashing you over and over and over again, picking you up, slamming you down.
		Like what he did to Brock Lesnar.
		Brock Lesnar was fucking terrifying.
		He was a 300-pound man who was built like a Viking.
		Like he just hopped off of a fucking ship with a battle axe.
		And Kane beat the fuck out of him.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I know that that was an amazing fight.
		And I watched Brock Lesnar body slam We-Man through a table at a restaurant one night.
		It was one of the best things.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Was that a jackass?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		No, no, we were there to do.
		I was going to do WrestleMania.
		I believe it was WrestleMania against that low down and dirty Sami Zayn.
		And we're at the restaurant.
		I think we're at a four seasons in their restaurant.
		And we all had a couple of drinks.
		And Brock just comes by.
		He's leaving.
		He comes by to say goodbye, you know.
		And We-Man gets a little chatty.
		We-Man got a mouth on him.
		So Brock just scoops him up like a baby.
		He goes, you're going through that table and just lifts him up over his head and bam right through the table.
		It was one of the best things I've ever seen.
		Just it looked like one of those tables in an old West bar fight.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this is it.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		He's like, No, we missed.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		He's like, No, no.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Jesus Christ.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's a regular table, too.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		That's what you get for talking shit to Brock Lesnar.
		It doesn't really compute in his head, I don't think.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Brock is a guy that, like, you know, he was NCAA Division I national champion, like elite wrestler.
		I always wondered what would happen with him if he didn't go into pro wrestling for so long, if he just went into MMA right out of his college career.
		I think he could have been one of the all-time great players.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		What are you going to do with that guy if he's been training for that long?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, he didn't train much in striking at all.
		Like, you could tell in the early days, his striking was, you know, he was learning it.
		Obviously, an elite athlete, a freak of nature physically, but he was still learning striking.
		And striking is something takes a long time to really get a mastery of.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He wasn't, you know, so he was just and he didn't need the money, didn't need to do it.
		He was already a giant pro wrestling star.
		Could have just stayed Brock Lesnar, but just decided I want to see what would happen if I fight for real.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		He liked it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And he beat a lot of really fucking good guys.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Which is kind of crazy.
		I mean, he beat Randy Couture, who's an all-time great.
		He beat Frank Meir, who's, you know, an all-time great.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		He's a freak athlete.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he's fucking horrific.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Horrific dude.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Who's the young guy, Gable Stevenson?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he's good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I think he's a problem.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		He's a striking look.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Giant problem.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		His striking looks good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's a giant problem because he's a 250-pound man that moves like a 150-pound man.
		He's so fucking fast and so athletic for a big guy and elite wrestling skills.
		I mean, gold medalists in the Olympics are wrestling skills.
		That kind of wrestling skill is like so hard to fuck with.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's got that and ridiculous power and speed in his hands.
		And just this, there's a mindset that like some guys have, like elite athletes have, this like unstoppable drive and discipline.
		Yeah.
		And he's got that.
		And like, he's going to be a fuck.
		I sent Dana White a text message because he had an MMA fight and hit this dude with a left hook.
		And then as the dude's going out, he fucking slams him to the ground.
		He landed the punch and he had enough speed to close the distance and fucking slam him to the ground while he's unconscious from the punch.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And I sent Dana White a text message.
		I said, everybody's fucked.
		I just sent him that clip.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I sent him Dana the same clip.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Dana, what are we doing here?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Gable's the first guy that I've ever had in the studio that isn't even in the UFC yet and that only has had like a couple fights where I was like, I want to have this guy on right away.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, look at that.
unidentified		Like, fucking so that speed is so insane.
unidentified		Look at that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The transition between he KOs him with a left hook and then look at this, just hops to the top of the octagon.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		But go back to the knockout because look at the guy when he's on.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		You can see the birdies flying around his head in that one angle on the opposite angle.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that is crazy speed.
		And then blasts him with a punch all before the referee can even get to him.
		That dude's like, what the fuck just happened?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He has a hard time getting fights.
		He'll probably be in the UFC quicker than he should be because no one wants to fight him.
		It's on the regional circuit, the smaller promotions.
		Very difficult to get a guy like that a fight because you can't beat him.
		You know, you can't.
		So, if you're, you got to be the type of guy, like, almost like you are with stunts, like, all right, let's fucking do it.
		Let's see what it happens because you're not fast enough to avoid the punches.
		You're not skillful enough to stop the takedown.
		You can't do anything about it once he's on top of you.
		You're not getting back up.
		You're just going to get pummeled.
		Like, what are you going to do?
		And some guys are just so gangster, they're like, Let's see how I do.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		You're just standing in front of a culture.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But most guys are going to not fight.
		You're going to get that offer, and you're going to go, fuck that.
		I want to be a world-class fighter someday.
		I got to get better.
		There's no way I'm going to get better.
		If I fight that guy, I realize how tall the mountain actually is that I'm supposed to climb.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		But to any prospective fighters of Gable Stevenson out there who maybe don't want to fight them, take it from me.
		It doesn't take that long to get knocked out.
		It's going to be an easy night.
		You know, it's going, what, 15 seconds of your time?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's not the problem.
		The problem is, so, like in boxing, okay, this is a good so boxing has always traditionally done a way better job of preparing fighters for world-class fighters.
		So, even Mike Tyson, who was a phenom, in his prime, he fought a bunch of journeymen in the beginning.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Mitch Blood Green.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, he was good.
		Mitch Blood Green was good.
		Mitch Blood Green went to decision.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, he was a gang leader and just a crazy person.
		No, the street fight, Mike fucked him up.
		He also broke his hand in a street fight in a haberdashery in Harlem, which is crazy.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Slipped into the literation.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, they fought in a haberdash.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They fought in a place where you get custom suits made.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And why wouldn't you?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Why wouldn't you?
		So that fight was like Mitch Blood Green was a real pro.
		He was a real elite fighter.
		But you go to the early days of Mike Tyson where he's fighting guys that have fucking zero business being in there with you.
		And these guys just took the payday and just got knocked into orbit.
		And those fights are some of the most fun fights to watch because you realize you're dealing with a guy who's going to be one of the all-time greats.
		And you're getting to see him when he's 19 and no one had any idea what was coming.
		You know, like some of his first fights, people had heard rumblings.
		There's this kid out of the Catskills.
		Everybody talked about it.
		But until you saw him, you're just like, oh, God, good lord.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Just all business, too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		All business.
unidentified		No socks.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Just the towel with the hole in it.
unidentified		And it just, it was throwback.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was, but there was never a throwback fighter that had just a towel over his head walking into the ring.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, you'd have to go back to the Jack Dempsey days, which Tyson did.
		See, Tyson had this advantage that his manager was Jim Jacobs, and Jim Jacobs was a boxing historian.
		And so Jim Jacobs had all these films of all the old school fighters, Sandy Sadler, William Pep.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And so Mike would just sit and watch all these great fighters, all the old school guys, all the old Joe Lewis fights on film, you know, all the Sugar Ray Robinson fights.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Which there are not a lot on film.
		I wish there were because we never had prime Sugar Ray Robinson.
		Like there's not a lot of films.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, you could watch them on YouTube.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		But I don't think like prime, prime.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I think after a second.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
		There's some prime Sugar Ray Robinson.
		Yeah, you could watch some great Sugar Ray Robinson KOs that are on.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He was another guy.
		I mean, I think he had like 90 fights.
		I think it was like something like 90-0 before he had his first loss.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And then he went another 40 fights before he lost the second.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Crazy.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Insane.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And they were fighting all the time back then.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Those guys would fight multiple times in a year.
		It wasn't like today where, you know, guys will like Canelo and Crawford, they talk about it.
		Crawford hadn't had a fight in like a year and a half.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't like that back then.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		They're fighting a few times a month.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Constantly.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But also, you know, then the end is so sad because in the end, Sugar A. Robinson had dementia and it's like he couldn't talk.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's some interviews of him later in life that are really, really fucking sad.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So that's the thing about a guy fighting Gabelson, Gable Stevenson.
		It's not that Gable's going to beat you and getting knocked out's not that bad.
		It's that your confidence is going to be destroyed and you will get knocked out easier next time, which is the problem with getting knocked out.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I can attest to that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is it to happen to you now?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like where you get KO'd easier?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I get my knockouts.
Medication and Mental Struggles 00:04:57
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I got knocked out easier, yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		It's the old glass jaw.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You notice the difference?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, I could watch the impacts afterwards, and that might not have got me five or six years ago, but now it's just.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You just go out.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How many times do you think you've been KO'd?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		About 16.
unidentified		Wow.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And that's a lot.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever gotten brain scans done?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What do they say?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, they're not the best brain scans they ever looked at.
		I didn't win any awards for my brain scan, Joe.
		They're like, don't get any more concussions.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But did they say there's anything going on there that you need to be concerned about?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Well, they don't know about, you know, you can't detect CTE until post-mortem.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But do you have any lingering issues like memory issues, impulse control?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		The I can, well, I don't know whether it's I'm getting older or I can remember a lot of like things from four years, like from my childhood and that kind of thing.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I have complete recall, but what I did a week ago, you know, it's up in the air.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And do you think that's connected to the head injuries?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Or is it just like aging?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Because as you get older.
		Well, there's the million dollar question.
		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you seem okay?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Which is part of the problem.
		Like I know a lot of fighters that seem fine, but I know publicly or privately they're struggling.
		I know they have like issues, you know.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I'm I after that with the magician one, I kind of went offline for a few months, but I've completely recovered.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Went offline like how so?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Just slowly over a period of months.
		I just got super depressed and anxious and fearful of everything.
		Just in my mind, it was just a loop of everything bad is going to happen.
		It was catastrophic thinking and ruminating.
		And yeah, it was my creative mind turned against me, right?
		And it was frightening.
		It felt like you're in the bottom of a well looking up.
		And eventually I got on some medication.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What kind of medication they give you for that?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Oh, shit.
		I can't remember.
		But after a couple of months on, actually about four to six weeks on the medication, The colors came back and I started feeling like myself again.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you lose sight of colors?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you get color black?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		No, that was just metaphorically.
		Yeah.
		Okay.
		And then I'm not, I went off the medicine and I'm fine, but it was pretty intense.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So did they do anything for that?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, I know there's some different therapies they do for people that have.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I did a thing, a transcranial magnetic stimulus.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what I was going to ask you about.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And I started that, and it was kind of, I was in the middle of my episode, and I started that.
		You do it over like six to eight weeks, I can't remember.
		And I remember at the first I would start it and I'd talk to the guy running it, but by the end, the end of the eight weeks, I was just kind of, I wouldn't look at him, I wouldn't talk to him.
		And yeah, I was just completely in my head all the time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So it got worse progressively then.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it got worse.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		But yeah, the just medication and I came out of it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm glad you came out of it.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But that's a good reason to not do that kind of shit anymore.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That's why I was like, I can't.
		I don't.
		It was.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's too much.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, that's what I worry about with fighters because, like, listen, you and I are sitting here, we're talking.
		You're not slurring your words.
Steroids and the Turing Test 00:15:25
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You seem fine.
		Everything's.
		There's fighters that you see the slurring and you see the mumbling of the words and yet they're still fighting.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's like Ollie at the end.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		When he's doing those interviews around the Leon Spinks fights.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		You know, even Larry Holmes was sparring with them.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		They could notice the difference.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		But it's like you, how do you it's tough to figure out how to uh, he has a certain spirit in about him and how do you outrun him, which made him a champion?
		Yeah, and how do you outrun that?
		How do you put that light out?
		And that's, that's the that's the problem.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think you have to plant that seed in a fighter's head when they're young.
		Yeah, I don't think you could tell them that this is going to be a ride that lasts forever.
		I think you have to tell them there's going to be a time when we realize we have to stop this, we have to stop doing this.
		And you're going to have to trust me yeah, because i'm on the outside and i'm i'm going to watch you very carefully and we're going to make sure that you you never get to a point where you're like I, like a fighter that retires and they can talk and they're fine and they're good like I.
		I like that.
		I like when a guy gets out like Andre Ward is one of my favorite fighters, because not just was he a two-division world champion, not only was, like he, an elite boxer, but he retired Undefeated and never came back, and now he's fine.
		He does commentary.
		You're hanging out with him.
		He's got no lingering problems.
		He's good.
		Like he got off the right time.
		I like that.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I often think, where would it's a little sort of a pivot?
		Where would Roy Jones Jr. be ranked if he retired after the Ruiz fight?
		Right.
		After he became heavyweight champions.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's a very good question.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think that was one of the biggest mistakes that he ever did was going up to heavyweight and then going down to 175 again.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		The fight.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right, because he wasn't a heavyweight that was fat.
		It wasn't like he could lose 25 pounds of extra fat that he put on.
		No, he was shredded at 200 pounds and then lost 25 pounds of muscle.
		So he had to starve himself to get back down to 75 again.
		Because once your body gets accustomed to carrying around all that extra weight, like that's your new frame.
		And today they would never say do that again.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like in the UFC, there's been some guys that had some radical weight cuts, like Alex Pereira is probably the best example.
		But once he went down to 185, he was cutting a tremendous amount of weight to get to 85.
		But once he went up to 205, now he's a 205.
		He stays at 205.
		And now he's even talking about going up to heavyweight, which is crazy.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But he's got the frame for it.
		But like, if he went all the way up to heavyweight and then tried to go all the way down to 85 again, he would be so fragile.
		You're so vulnerable.
		If you get hit, the guys who dehydrate themselves significantly, they get KO'd way easier.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And guys will tell you that.
		Like when they cut the weight, they can't take a punch.
		It's just different because your brain doesn't rehydrate in time.
		So if you're dehydrating to make, let's say, 170, if you're dehydrating to make 170, but you really weigh 200, you can get down to 170 for the weight.
		But once you rehydrate and you're 200 again for the fight, you don't have water in your brain yet.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Your brain's not reacting.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Your brain takes days before it completely rehydrates.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		It's dangerous.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's very dangerous.
		Yeah.
		But so that's the thing.
		It's like you're talking about all the problems that you have, but yet you're sitting here, you're not slurring your words, you're laughing, you're coherent, we're having a good time.
		And now think about these guys that you see that start mumbling and their words all kind of slur together.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's weird.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You have a hard time understanding them.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Fits of rage.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They 100% should not be fighting.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And yet they're still fighting.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And athletic commissions will even pass them.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Does Vandeley Silva still fight?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Does he slur?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Dude, Vandeley Silva just had a boxing match in Brazil that turned into a brawl.
		So he was boxing this guy, and the bunch of people jumped into the ring and started brawling.
		And one of the guys that jumped into the ring KO'd him, hit him with a bare knuckle punch and knocked him out cold where he falls back and bounces and they have to drag him out of the ring.
		So while people are, there's a melee.
		There's like 10 people fighting inside the ring and he's stretched out cold.
		Here, watch it.
		Jamie.
		You find it.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		He was amazing in the pride.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He was a fucking warrior, a savage.
		He was so crazy.
		But that's another guy that's been KO'd so many fucking times.
		I don't speak Portuguese, but my friends who do say you can clearly tell the difference.
		So here's the fight.
		So this is afterwards.
unidentified		Boom.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Oh my God, the back of the canvas.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This guy just cracks him with a right hand.
		He doesn't even see it coming.
		And he's out cold, flat on his back.
		And then they just have to drag him away from all these people fighting.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Jesus.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's sad.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's dead.
		Dead.
		Oh, my God.
		Yeah.
		And again, this is a guy that's, he got knocked out by Mirko Krokop.
		He got head kick KO'd.
		He got knocked out by Rampage Jackson.
		He got knocked out by some big fucking scary shots.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Krokop had legs like Earl Campbell.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		They were just ridiculous looking.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, he was one of the most elite strikers that ever competed in MMA.
		He was a terrifying dude.
		The stare down between Vanderlay Silva and Mirko Krokop, in my opinion, is the greatest stare down in the history of combat sports because you've got a guy who in Vandeley Silva is one of the most intimidating, terrifying MMA fighters that ever hit.
		But then in Mirko Krokop, you got a guy who's ahead of an anti-terrorist squadron who's fucking probably murdered people.
		Like, look at the difference.
		That motherfucker ain't scared as shit.
		Look at this stare down.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Neither one of them are scared.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think Vandale might have been feeling it a little.
unidentified		Really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That guy's looking through to his fucking soul.
		Mirko is 100% Mirko wins this stare down.
		Mirko was looking through to his fucking soul, dude.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my goodness.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That is a stare-down, son.
		Look at his eyes.
		That is a serious man.
		And I mean, Mirko.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		That ref's got his hands full.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Well, they always had their hands full in Pride because they had stomps and soccer kicks.
		And it was a crazy organization.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Did they test in Pride?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Not only did they not test, well, they did test.
unidentified		They didn't do anything.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was a fake test.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		You get an A plus on steroids.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Ensign Inuway is another legend and just one of the all-time greats and a pioneer of MMA from the early days.
		Ensign told me when he did the podcast, he said they had in all capital letters, we do not test for steroids.
		Like, they wanted you on steroids.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		What's your growth hormone?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They wanted you on it.
		Because, look, if you want excitement and you don't have a sanctioning body, like, why would you, your goal is to create the best product.
		Like, what's the best product?
		Bunch of juiced up fucking psychopaths beat the shit out of each other.
		Highly skilled, juiced-up savages going to war.
		That's what you want.
		You don't want anybody who's dealing with normal hormone levels.
		Fuck that.
unidentified		So they would encourage people.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I didn't hear any rumors of Fedor doing that.
		Do you think Fedor?
		I don't.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can only speculate.
		You don't know because he didn't look like he was on steroids, right?
		Because he had like dad bod, but jacked, you know, but he carried a lot on some extra body fat because he didn't have to worry about losing weight.
		But he came from the Russian sports program, you know, and they cheated with everything.
		The reality of, have you ever seen that movie Icarus?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's a great movie.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
		Brian Fogel made this documentary, and it's a really interesting documentary because he made the documentary.
		This was the plan of it.
		He was an endurance racer, so he's going to do a cycling race, and he was going to do it naturally.
		So he does it, compares his numbers, and then he hires this guy, Gregory Rychenko.
		Is it Rychenkov?
		Richenko?
		That's the guy who was the head of the Russian anti-doping, and I'm making air quotes, anti-doping program.
		And so during, yeah, Rodchenkov, Gregory Rychenkov.
		So during the filming of it, it turns out that the Russians get busted because during the Sochi Olympics, the entire roster of Russian athletes was on Roy's.
		So what they did was they cut a hole in the wall and they would take the piss that the Russians had given after the competition.
		They'd sneak it through the hole and sneak in some new piss and put it in its place.
		But what they had found was that there was microabrasions in the jars.
		They supposedly had these unopenable jars.
		And the Russians had figured out a way to snake some sort of a utensil or some sort of a device and open up these jars, swap out the piss and put in some fresh clean piss in the same jar.
		So this is while they're filming.
		So he is being taught how to juice up by this guy.
		So this guy's telling him, this is what you would take, and this is how much to take.
		So he's doing preparing to go do this cycling race juiced up.
		And while this is happening, this guy has to flee Russia because now he gets busted.
		And then he starts telling Brian Fogel everything.
		He tells him how they run the program.
		So now, to this day, this guy's hiding.
		He's in witness protection.
		They arrested his family.
		I think they took his family's money away.
		They took their home away.
		They took everything.
		And because they want them to turn this guy in.
		So he's in witness protection right now still in America hiding because they'll assassinate him if they find him.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because this guy gave up the entire secrets of the Russian doping program, which led to in the Brazil Olympics, Russia was banned from the Brazil Olympics.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, for the doping.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So this documentary is fucking wild because it shows he tells every the only people they didn't do it with was figure skaters.
		They said the figure skaters, it didn't help.
		And it actually hurt a little bit.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		We tried, but it didn't help.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They want to keep them gay.
		They wanted to keep them like whatever they wanted to keep them.
		They just felt like there's something about giving them testosterone, giving them human growth hormone, steroids.
		It fucked with their fine motor skills.
		And it's like such a delicate sport.
		You know, it's a sport of, it's just hand-eye coordination and balance.
		And it didn't help them to be on performance-enhancing drugs.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		You said keep them gay.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I don't think if you gave steroids to Johnny Weir, it's going to, you know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Only one way to find out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm just kidding.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		That guy is pretty entertaining, Johnny Weir.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Was it a gay porn star?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		No, he was an Olympic skater, right?
		Is it Johnny Weir?
		It's Johnny Weir.
		Oh, right, right.
		That's fantastic.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't know why I thought gay porn star.
		I thought, like, if you're giving steroids to a gay guy, what would be the last guy that you would want to do it to to see if you could turn him not gay would be a gay porn star, right?
		Like, give him steroids, and also he's like, why am I fucking all these guys?
		This is crazy.
		Thank you.
		You've cured me.
		It turns out it wasn't pray the gay away.
unidentified		It's inject the gay away.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		That preacher, pray the gay away.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, those guys are funny.
		Those guys are almost all gay.
		Those gay.
unidentified		Of course.
unidentified		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		It's like.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They'll get together and hug it out, boners.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Kind of sad.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Just be how you're going to be, man.
		Don't like tell everyone what to do.
		Just live your life however you want to live it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is a burden of responsibility on some of us for being judgmental.
		And for so long, I mean, being gay was so dangerous to come out.
		You could get killed.
		You get beaten.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's a testament to our society today that it is like not just accepted but celebrated that people are gay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's because for so long, it was so hard to be gay.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know the Turing test?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know what the Turing test is?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, Alan Turing was gay.
		And they, I mean, that's a terrible tragic story.
		The man Really had an enormous impact on World War II, but still he had to be closeted, and then the and then they chemically castrated him in England in the 1950s.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And he's the guy who came up with the Turing test, which is a way to determine whether or not artificial intelligence had achieved sentience.
		Could you tell if you're having, and most people believe that at this point in time, you can't tell.
		Like, the Turing test has already been achieved.
		Like, they've already passed it.
		Like, if you talk to, like, perplexity, this is what I use for everything.
		If I talked to it, I would not know whether or not that's a person or not.
		I mean, it can communicate like a human.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And it can answer questions about anything.
		It's just basically like a super genius human being that I ask questions to all the time on my phone.
		And I don't, I don't ever feel like this is a computer.
		It feels like a fucking person that's just like you have a wizard that you can ask any question of, and it can give you the answer.
		So that's Alan Turing's invention was this test to determine whether or not you could determine whether artificial intelligence had achieved sentience.
		And what did they do, this guy?
		They fucking chemically castrated him for being gay, and he wound up committing suicide.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		It's tragic.
		I mean, all that he did in World War II, I mean, he's the father of the modern computer.
		He break the Enigma code, which was considered unbreakable.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And just his country turned his back on him.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And everyone liked him, really.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And not even that long ago.
Fascination With World War II 00:01:39
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's what's crazy.
		Like, people who were alive back then are still alive today.
		And that's how much the world has shifted.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, whatever it's been, 80 years.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of crazy.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Not even 80 years, 70 years, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Crazy.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm fascinated by World War II and the characters from that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		No, World War II is a nutty time in history.
		And it's also in a lot of people's eyes in America, one of the reasons why people are so fascinated with World War II.
		It's the last time Americans got to feel like real heroes.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We fucking did it.
		We turned back the Nazis.
		We defeated them.
		We stopped this takeover of the world by the most evil group that we've ever seen assembled in modern history.
		And America came back, and there's that photograph, that famous photograph, I guess it's in Times Square, where the soldiers kissing that woman.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		That was staged, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I believe it was.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Unfortunately.
		Because the wars after that were muddy.
		It was not like this is a good guy, this is the bad guy.
		It's like, and then in Vietnam, it's not, you're not taking a hill.
		It wasn't about that.
		It became just the number of casualties.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, also, it was a war that didn't make any sense.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We found out later on that it was a war that was started under false pretenses.
Hitler's Drugs 00:05:08
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's been a few of those.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But that was the one that's the most obvious.
		The Gulf of Tonkin incident is the most obvious and proven.
		Like now, it's not a conspiracy theory.
		They staged a false flag.
		They lied to the American people.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		It's the same thing Hitler did in the Russian mortgage.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		Did you ever read Blitzed?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's Norman Oler wrote about Hitler marching through Poland and about all the drugs that they were giving.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, the Purveton.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		They would get jacked up on Purviton.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Fucking meth.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They had capsules, meth capsules, and the people at the front of the line got the most meth.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They dosed people up according to where you were.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		But they realized that had diminishing returns because they're just jacked up all the time and they're not sleeping and then it starts falling off.
		Yeah.
		But by then they were addicted.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it turns out you could do it for three days and get all the way through Poland.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's how they did it.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Three days, no sleep.
		And Hitler was like, I know how we could do it.
		Just meth everybody up and have a march.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Well, he was taking more drugs than anyone.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Just.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, he had his own doctor that wasn't a part of the.
		Yeah, that shady-ass doctor.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		It's all in the book.
		book is fantastic it's really good because it's just like and he said that most of what Hitler was on was actually opiates Yeah, eukinol.
		I don't know.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Pervitin.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, Purvitin is a meth, right?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		It's an yeah, Purvitin is the meth, but I think eukinol was an opiate.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		He was on a lot.
unidentified		He was on a lot of shit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		A lot of different things.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you know that he also had a genetic anomaly that would lead to his testicles not descending?
		And most likely.
		Yeah, I think it's called Cormann syndrome or something like that.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Eukinol.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Oh, actually, it was an opiate.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think it's called Hallman syndrome or something like that.
		Whatever he got.
		What is it called?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Moral was like Elvis' doctor.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So they got blood from the fabric.
		What was it called?
		What was the syndrome called?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Micropenis.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, definitely.
		Micropenis was the Kalman.
		That's what it is.
		Kalman syndrome.
		So what it was was they found blood from the couch where supposedly Hitler committed suicide.
		They took that blood and matched the DNA to Hitler's bloodline.
		So they knew it was a male and they knew the blood came from someone in Hitler's family.
		So they're reasonably assured that this is Hitler.
		And then they found that they had Kalman syndrome.
		So researchers analyzing blood-stained cloth from the sofa where Hitler died found genetic marker linked to Kalman syndrome.
		Disorder is a form of hypogonadotropic hypogonadism, which resulted in insufficient production of sex hormones and can prevent or delay puberty.
		Makes sense.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Methed up dude.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Little dick.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Tiny dick.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No balls.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Most evil man in history.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wants to fuck the whole world.
unidentified		Maybe one ball.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Maybe one ball.
		Well, he was diagnosed with one undescended testicle.
		That was a fact from one of his medical reports.
		One of his testicles stuck up there.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		He had some problems.
		He had some issues.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		What a fucking monster.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Speaking of meth, we always talk about this documentary that Johnny had a hand in.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's right.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		All the wild and wonderful whites of West Virginia.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I fucking love that documentary, dude.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That documentary was crazy.
		How did you get involved in?
		Thank you, Jamie.
		How did you get involved in that?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		A friend of mine knew Julian Nitzberg, and Julian is the one who found Jessica White.
		Julian was doing another documentary on, oh, shit.
		Fuck, I can't remember right now.
		But they're like, hey, do you want to meet Julian Nitzberg?
		And I'm like, yeah.
		And so I talked to Julian.
		He told me the story of his being involved with Jessica White, the first doctor.
		You saw the first one, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You did more than one?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
		The first one Jacob Young did.
		Julian Nitzberg found Jessica White, went to Jacob Young and said, hey, look at this guy.
		Look at this character.
		And it came out on videotape.
		And if you saw it back in the late 80s, early 90s, it was usually like a copied over fourth.
The Wildest One In The Family 00:15:49
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is this the dancing outlaw one?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified		Okay.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		So that's what you're doing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's not the wild and wonderful one.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, that was yours, right?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And so I was talking to Julian, and I'm like, well, what do you think Jessico's up to now?
		He's like, I don't know.
		And so we got some money together and sent him to talk to Jessica and his family.
		And now because of just generational neglect and all the young kids coming up, he's like, he was like, you know, the wildest one in the family, but now he's like the eighth wildest.
		All the younger ones are much, you know, more intense.
		And we came back with three days of footage and we're like, holy shit.
		And we cut something together and took it to my friends at MTV.
		And they're like, yeah, okay, we'll give you some money.
		They weren't even sure.
		They're like, you guys haven't, you know, failed us yet.
		So they just pushed the money our way and we came back with that.
		It was wild.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's a fucking amazing documentary.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		They're a charismatic family, a charismatic bunch of outlaws.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, it's certainly entertaining.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And it's also an untold story about that part of the country and how they've been ravaged by pills.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Well, they've been rapped.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		First of all, they were ravaged by the coal companies.
unidentified		Right.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Jacking their town, and then you can only buy stuff from the company store.
		And then when the coal's gone, fuck you, we're out of here.
		And the town's just left, you know, massacred.
		And then with no thought of what happens to those people.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And you see how that can make the whites and anyone in that area feel, right?
		And so, like, oh, the man, we're going to stick it to the man.
		The man stuck it to us.
		We're going to stick it to the man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		With, you know, they all get checks for disability checks.
		And, you know, they're, I don't know.
		It's just, it's just pretty sad.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's very sad.
		Entertaining and sad at the same time.
		Like, it's like you're very conflicted.
		Like, you want to laugh at them, but you're also like, oh, my God, like, there's kids there.
		Like, there's families here.
		They're all fucked up.
		Like, the kid doing backflips because he's high on Mountain Dew.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		And he's talking about stabbing, I forget which boyfriend of Sue Bob's or Sue Kirk's.
		It's crazy.
		It was intense.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but it's both funny and entertaining, but also deeply disturbing at the same time because you realize, especially towards the end of the film, where they want to get out of this life.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like they're trying to clean up, you know, and she's trying to get off pills.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		But, you know, it's tough when you're raised in an environment and, you know, you don't know how to get out.
		Right.
		You don't have those tools.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's no clear path.
		There's no clear path out of there.
		And everywhere around you is fucked.
		Everything's fucked.
		Everyone's fucked.
		There's no good examples of people that figured it out, got their shit together.
		There's no one cool uncle that, you know, went straight.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is part of the family that moved to Michigan and they started flourishing.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I think we.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's right.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's the movie.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		But it's, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Fucking hard.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		It's hard.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's like, I think There's just forgotten sections of our country when it comes to just extreme despair and poverty and just overall, like you said, fucked over by the coal companies, fucked over by pills.
		Everyone's addicted.
		Everyone's just like this long history of crime.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		And when you're raised in that continually, how do you see a way out?
		You know, it just, I don't know.
		It's pretty, pretty sad.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But when you filmed it, did you think it was going to be sad?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Or did you think it was just going to be crazy?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		You don't know what you're walking into.
		You have no idea.
		So what came back was it was very impactful and you couldn't turn away.
		It just, yeah, there's a lot of shit that really pulls on your heartstrings, but they're so charismatic and they have such a way about them.
		I don't know.
		It makes it their sense of humor helps ease you through it about the situation.
		But still, it's a situation.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you take them to the premiere or anything?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Did any of that?
		We flew Jessico and Mamie in for the premiere.
		And I remember he was going to tap dance at the premiere, and he's got his tap shoes, which were his father, D-Ray White's tap shoes.
		They're just in a plastic pharmaceutical bag.
		But I dropped them when I got out of the car, and I was just hard.
		I was just like, I felt terrible.
		But their characters, it was pretty wild meeting Jessica and Mamie.
		That's my friend Storm I grew up with.
		He helped produce.
		I remember me, Jessico, White, and Mike Judge just sitting in a bar before having drinks.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Mike Judge was involved in this too?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		No, no, he's just a friend of mine, and he was like, I want to meet Jessica and Mamie.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I love that guy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Mike Judge is cool as fuck.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		He's so talented.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Very, very talented.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		So bright.
		Man was an engineer starting out, then a musician.
		And he's an interesting character.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Very, very interesting guy.
		But how did they react to the film?
		And watching people watch them and laughing and going crazy.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I mean, at the premiere, they seemed, they really enjoyed it.
		You know, it's like it's a big thing.
		You see yourself up on screen.
		I know the subject matter is tough, but I don't know.
		That's their life, right?
		They're not surprised by anything.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		It's just, you know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What happened with them after the film?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you follow up on them?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Every now and then, Julian will send me something.
		One of them will be in the news for this or that.
		You know, I haven't stayed in touch.
		I didn't stay in touch.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What'd you say, Jamie?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Subob's on TikTok with her daughter.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Subob's got the best voice.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		I was always a sexy one.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How do you even get that voice?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		What a voice.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever thought about doing a follow-up?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Someone else can.
		I don't.
		We did it, and I think we moved on.
		I think at some point it's a little much to go back to that well.
		I don't feel right about it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right, a little exploitative.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I don't feel right about it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that makes sense.
		Do you do, do you have aspirations to do other stuff?
		Do you have any other things that you're trying to do?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, in the film world, sure.
		So, yeah, I have a lot of doing documentaries.
		I have a couple of documentaries I'm trying to get off the ground.
		And, you know, one on David Allen Coe, who's who Julian Nitzberg was going to direct.
		Do you know who David Allen Coe is?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		He's a country singer, songwriter, who's like, was the he from the age of nine to 35, he was institutionalized.
		You know, his parents just kind of used too much and they put him in the boy's home.
		And he was the head of the outlaw motorcycle gang for a while.
		He had eight or nine wives for a while.
		He formed his form.
		He formed his own religion.
		He wrote his own, you know, wrote a book.
		He was the best.
		I have to show you a picture.
		And he also wrote some racist songs while he was in prison, and Shel Silverstein convinced him to record those when he got out.
		I turned my face.
		Shell Silverstein, the guy who wrote children's books, and a boy named Sue, and on the cover of The Rolling Stone.
		Shel Silverstein wrote a lot of songs.
		And he convinced a couple of the songs are, you know, racist and can't really, there's no defense to them.
		He's lived a very complicated life.
		But in the 80s, he decided, I'm going to become a magician.
		And I have a picture of him and a ventriloquist.
		And I'll show it to you in a second.
		It's pretty.
		He's the most frightening fucking ventriloquist you've ever seen.
		Like, and the weird thing is, the magicians, Penn and Teller, credit him as one of their influences.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is that him with his dummy?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		No, it's Terry Gallen.
		Okay, let me find it real quick.
		So it's an incredible story, but it's just hard getting something like that made now for people who aren't wanting to.
		Okay, come on.
		I'm bringing up.
		So we're trying to tell that story.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And so just whatever just strikes your interest, like things that you find fascinating.
		Can I airdrop this to Jamie?
		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How do I do this?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
		And his son, Tyler Coe, does that podcast, Cocaine and Rhinestones.
		It's a brilliant podcast.
		His son's really sharp friendly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It says airdrop code required.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And so that's how you decide things, just based on what's interesting?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Just like I don't know how else to decide things.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Look at that.
		David Allen Coe, look at his bell buckle.
		Look at that bell buckle.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Scary looking dude with a dummy.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		His son, Tyler, is like, I thought that thing was real when I was growing up.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's because he made it seem that way.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a weird connection between a really good ventriloquist and their dummy that gets very odd.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like in the Twilight Zone episode where the guy has the dummy.
		Do you ever see that?
		No.
		Oh, it's great.
		It's a Twilight Zone episode where the dummy and the guy are having conversations when no one's around.
		The dummy is alive.
		And then I think the dummy kills the guy.
		And then, but I had a guy that I used to work with way back in the day.
		His name was Otto and George.
		And he was a ventriloquist comedy act.
		And George was the dummy, and Otto was the guy.
		And Otto would be like, I can't believe you're saying these things.
		And George would say, like, really fucked up.
		And George was an evil-looking dummy with like crazy eyebrows.
		He was a legend, like a comedy legend.
		That's Otto and George.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		They were a little too close.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was a little close.
		Like, he would be driving in the car, and George would be in the trunk, and he would tell the guy driving, pull over.
		I got to check on George.
		Like, he felt like he had to pull over and talk to the dummy.
		And he'd get out by the side of the road, pop open the trunk, and hear him back there, like just fucking around with the dummy, like looking at it, talking to it.
		Then he'd put it back in and drive off.
		Like, he would get in his head that the dummy needed to be checked on.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		How does a guy like that operate in life?
		I mean, he's dead now, unfortunately.
		We all end up that way.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He partied hard.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, he had he was an enthusiast.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Relationships?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I mean, I never heard about him being married or anything like that.
		I don't believe he had any children.
		But he was nuts.
		He was like, it was a, like, I never got to know him all that well.
		It was, I worked with him a ton of times, but it was always like, and he's like, hey, Joe, how are you?
		You know, he'd have his dummy there.
		But you would just, everybody would go to the back of the room when Otto would go on stage.
		We'd all want to watch.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		That was his relationship, the dummy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was, you know, I don't know if he had other relationships, but that was a big one.
		And one time he was going back and forth with some guy in the audience, and the dummy was saying horrible things to this guy.
		And the guy stabbed the dummy.
		The guy jumped up on stage and stabbed the dummy.
		It was at Dangerfields.
		Yeah, I think it was at Dangerfields.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		What a brilliant mood.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		That's inspired.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, he was a part of the program.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The guy was a part of the performance.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Jumped up and stabbed the dummy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because he would just say.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		That's probably worse than stabbing him.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		You know, his heartbroke.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, you know, I'm assuming the guy was doing it for fun, but unless he thought the dummy was actually the problem.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		That critical thinking.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think they're actually doing a documentary on Otto and George.
unidentified		Really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think someone's working on that right now.
		So that would be interesting.
		He was a legend on the East Coast during the 1980s and the 1990s.
		Like we all knew Otto and George.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I completely missed that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but like a lot of people that are brilliant, he was out of his fucking mind and never really got traction in terms of like a real national career.
		But he was very funny and a really good joke writer.
		He was a funny guy.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because they don't have that little extra side of them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Business part.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The business part was missing.
		Yeah.
		He was just a maniacal genius.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I have something to do after this.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to look up Otto and George.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's something to look up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Listen, man, good luck on Fear Factor.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I hope it runs another 148 episodes, just like when we did it back in the day, and I hope nobody gets hurt.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I appreciate that.
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johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate you having me on.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my pleasure.
		It's great to meet you, man.
		You've entertained the fuck out of me over the years.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And give me a lot of anxiety as well.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad you're okay.
unidentified		Yeah, for the most part.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, thanks for doing this.
		Tell everybody, when does it air?
		When does Fear Factor start?
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		It premieres tomorrow.
		Oh, no, excuse me.
		Premieres tonight, the 14th.
unidentified		Okay.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Sorry, I've been on a whirlwind kind of thing.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		So it's on tonight.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Awesome.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Awesome.
unidentified		All right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So good luck.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
johnny knoxville ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		All right.

Chapters

00:00:01 Choked by Gene
00:14:52 Olympic Ski Jump Intervention
00:17:41 Negativity Off The Set
00:32:46 Second Round Challenges
00:33:30 Giant Canyon Bungee Jump
00:48:45 Fighter Jet G-Forces
00:52:24 Russia's Fully Loaded Bombs
00:56:42 Can't Get Concussions
01:02:35 Crazy Characters of the Tire Company
01:10:52 Parents' Perspective on Risk
01:15:46 Women's Foreheads: A Norma Mystery
01:31:21 Knockouts And Gender Differences
01:46:46 Medication and Mental Struggles
01:51:28 Steroids and the Turing Test
02:06:38 Fascination With World War II
02:08:03 Hitler's Drugs
02:12:57 The Wildest One In The Family
02:28:31 Premieres Tonight