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Joe Rogan Experience #2414 - Brian Simpson
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Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
The Joe Rogan experience.
joe rogan
Train by day, Joe Rogan.
Podcast by night, all day.
Did you watch it?
Did you watch the UFC?
unidentified
Oh, Islam Magazine.
joe rogan
Fuck, dude goes up one-way class, goes up to 170.
He was the 55-pound, most dominant champion ever, most title defensive 55 ever, just dominates at 170.
Like every round.
People are saying it's boring, but listen, man, it's boring if you're a casual.
The fact that he was able to do it every round, it was a little frustrating because you wanted Jack to try to adjust, but he couldn't, man.
Islam shut his game down right away.
He low-kicked the shit out of his front leg real quick, had him limping real quick.
Like within the first round, he had hit it three or four times bad.
brian simpson
Imagine being Khabib.
You know, just your protege is coming in.
joe rogan
Khabib's even better than him.
brian simpson
Right.
joe rogan
That's what's so crazy.
That's how good those guys are.
But Khabib's not better stand-up, though.
Islam has really good stand-up.
Like his stand-up, Khabib's stand-up was a means to an end.
It was like his stand-up was to crack you so he'd get a hold of you and fuck you up, just drag you to the ground, smash you.
That was Khabib's move.
But Islam is fucking KOing people, man.
It's different.
He's different.
He's head-kicking Volkanovsky.
It's like a different level of stand-up.
brian simpson
Yeah, Khabib said, you're going to be better than me.
joe rogan
Crazy.
unidentified
Crazy.
brian simpson
Them Dagestani boys are here to stay.
joe rogan
You know what's crazy, dude?
Bilal Muhammad, you know, who was the champ at Welterweight, went down to Dagestan to train with those guys.
And he was like, I thought I trained hard.
I really did.
I thought I trained hard until I trained with those guys.
brian simpson
I'm going to follow that.
If I ever have a son, I'm just dropping him.
As soon as he's hit puberty, I'm dropping him off in Dagestan.
He said, leave him here, forget.
joe rogan
That's the thing they always say.
Take him to Dagestan.
Two, three years, forget.
brian simpson
Yeah, for real.
For real.
He comes back telling you what to do.
joe rogan
How are you going to fuck with that?
Because that's real.
That's how those dudes are really rolling out there.
That's how they're really living.
They pray five times a day.
They're super religious.
There's no gambling.
There's no drinking.
There's no partying.
There's just training.
Just training.
Just training and training with a bunch of fucking animals.
Eating together, training together, just getting after it every day.
And then it's iron-sharpens iron because everyone who comes out of there is a fucking killer.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Crazy.
brian simpson
Yeah, you got to be real.
joe rogan
Most people don't want to live that life.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
And they don't forgive the disrespect.
No.
joe rogan
They just fucked Dylan Dannis up this past weekend.
Did you see that?
Oh, yeah.
brian simpson
Yeah.
That was the fight in the crowd.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
You won't forget.
brian simpson
You got to watch what you say.
joe rogan
Bro, and they're, you know.
brian simpson
Dagestanis, they not talking shit for promotional purposes.
joe rogan
No.
brian simpson
No.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
brian simpson
You got to be real careful.
No.
joe rogan
He's down in the marrow of the bones.
brian simpson
Do you think that there would ever be, like, do you think Connor could ever apologize to Khabib and like bury the hatchet?
joe rogan
He would have to, it would have to be in private, and he would have to really mean it, man.
You know?
He would have to really mean it, and you'd have to convince Khabib that you really meant it.
And that it was all, you know, because he just doesn't play that game, that talking shit to sell a fight game.
He doesn't play that game.
brian simpson
Especially when it comes to his wife, his people.
joe rogan
Oh, everything.
Everything.
brian simpson
I saw a clip of DC saying like he did.
He had like Connor on his show one time and Khabib was like, no, what's that about?
Yeah, like, that's my enemy.
joe rogan
Right.
And you're my friend.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
And, you know, DC was like, oh, yeah, I had to, I didn't look at it that way, but I had to check myself.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Because if you're a journalist, if you're, or if you're doing a podcast, you're going to have some people on that don't like people that are close to you.
But you got it, like, that can only go to a certain level.
You know, if someone is your like sworn enemy and this other guy's your training partner and your brother, you can't really have that guy on.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah, of course not.
Absolutely not.
Like, there's no scenario where Khabib was going to be friendly with John Jones because he knows the history.
unidentified
Like, he might be respectful, but you ain't going to catch him kicking it.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Nah.
Well, I think John and DC have pretty much buried the hatchet.
brian simpson
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think they have.
I think they communicated.
I think they've had some interaction.
You know, it's like when you have two bitter rivals like that and one guy comes out on top, it's just always going to be that way.
Always forever.
brian simpson
Yeah, because they're different kind of people.
I forget that sometimes.
Like the competitive, the people that are like ultra competitive.
joe rogan
Totally different kinds of human beings, man.
brian simpson
It doesn't go away.
joe rogan
Their drive is, it's like, you don't understand it.
You don't live it, you know?
And like wrestlers, like elite wrestlers, are the only people that train the way like Khabib and his crew train.
Like in any other combat sport, like if you're coming over from kickboxing and, you know, and then you want to fight MMA and, you know, you think, well, I've already trained like an animal already.
unidentified
Like, yeah.
joe rogan
There's a difference.
There's a difference in the kind of exhaustion that you get from like hardcore wrestling training.
And that's something that these guys have.
It's like, that's why wrestling is the number one base for MMA.
Because anybody who gets really good at wrestling, you got to be a fucking animal.
You got to be a fucking animal.
brian simpson
Yeah.
I wrestled in high school the first couple of years and it was like, I was like, this ain't for me.
You know, it was hard.
It's hardcore, man.
So hard.
Because besides the technique and stuff, you have to be able to suffer.
You're training to suffer.
joe rogan
Yep.
brian simpson
Yeah.
And they break you all the way down every single practice.
joe rogan
Training to suffer and then the losing weight.
The losing weight and competing on the same day.
You know, I went to school with this kid.
He was 5'6.
All his brothers are like 6'6'1.
It's because he wrestled all throughout his childhood and cut weight all through his childhood.
He essentially starved himself and stunted his growth.
brian simpson
Well, my friend Jeffrey, you know, Bernard used to work at the club.
He used to perform at the club, but he was a wrestling guy, did real well in California and all that.
And now he like, he doesn't, he doesn't know when he's hungry.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
brian simpson
You know, like he's, he just has to eat because he's like, oh, I haven't eaten.
But his whatever connection it is, like.
joe rogan
He broke it.
brian simpson
Yeah, like he'll forget to eat.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
brian simpson
Yeah.
It's like that, it could really fuck with you.
joe rogan
So usually it fucks with guys the other way, where they cut weight too long and then they just blow up like balloons when they don't have to fight anymore.
They go crazy and they just can't stop eating.
They develop real eating disorders.
It's like it's really common amongst guys who cut weight.
brian simpson
Well, that's when I quit.
I quit.
I did a tournament and it was the first tournament my brother was coming to see me and I missed weight by a pound or something like that.
And so I ended up, I still got to wrestle, but it was like in the losers bracket or wrestled people off on the side.
And there was a guy that he had on what I know now is an insulin pump, but I didn't know at the time.
joe rogan
Oh, you told me this.
brian simpson
Yeah.
And he just kept fucking me up because I didn't, I was scared to hurt him and he didn't give a fuck about me.
And I got my ass whooped and then when it was finally all over, I was like, oh.
And I went to the vending machine and I fucking opened the snickle bot.
I was like, ah, and my coach came over.
He was like, what the fuck are you doing?
You know, I was like, well, the tournament's over.
He's like, you missed weight.
You're going to come over here and get snacks.
And it was, and I was one of them kids where, like, I was just defiant.
joe rogan
And I was like, fuck you.
brian simpson
You know, and that was the last time.
That was the last time he saw me.
I was like, you know, because if that's what this is going to be, I can't do it.
joe rogan
No snacks after losing.
brian simpson
Yeah, especially missing weight.
I mean, looking back, he had a point.
joe rogan
How much did you miss it by?
brian simpson
A pound.
I missed it by a pound.
Because, you know, it's like you can't.
It's certain households where, like, you know, my mama didn't give a fuck about no making weight.
You're going to eat that food.
You know, it wasn't like I didn't have control over my diet.
unidentified
Right.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
So then you would just have to run it off.
brian simpson
Yeah, run it off.
joe rogan
You ever figure out how much calories you actually like burn when you do a hard workout?
It's not as much as you think.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Like this dude, I forget what he ate, but he had some crazy meal with like fucking pancakes, pizza, and all kinds of shit, like 10,000 calories or something like that.
And then he went running to burn off the calories and he tracked it like on an app.
He ran for 10 hours.
He ran like 30 miles.
Yeah, the dude was in really good shape.
But when he did this, like he was tracking like where his, how many calories he had burned so far.
And it took him like a marathon, like 30 hours of running.
brian simpson
To burn off 1,000 calories?
joe rogan
30 miles rather.
30 miles of running.
No, it was more than it was like 10,000 calories.
Whatever it was.
You know, I forget what he ate.
It was like pancakes and all kinds of crazy shit.
Very calorie.
But the purpose was to see what happens if you eat all this stuff.
Like, what does it actually take to burn this off?
So he measures all the calories and then he just goes out running.
brian simpson
Yeah, it's kind of, it's kind of disappointing when you realize.
joe rogan
It takes a long time.
It takes a long time to burn off 10,000 calories.
Like, that's a lot of working out.
brian simpson
That's why I'm, I know I'm going to stay fat till I die.
You know, because I got this row machine, and then it tries to tell you how many.
It is more discouraging than anything.
I had to turn that shit off.
joe rogan
Did you lose any weight when you did that carnivore diet for a month?
brian simpson
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
How much did you lose?
brian simpson
I don't know, maybe like 10 pounds.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, imagine if you did that for like six months.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Do you think you could?
brian simpson
The diet is everything.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the whole way to lose weight.
You don't really lose weight in the gym.
I mean, you do.
You lose a little weight.
Your body gets toned.
You get healthier.
That's all good.
But the real way you lose weight is your diet.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
brian simpson
It's just discipline.
joe rogan
It's hard.
brian simpson
You know?
It's hard.
It was easier when I was poor.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Of course.
brian simpson
Yeah.
Of course.
Because I try to tell people this, but it's like when you're your own boss, you can't also be a shitty employee.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
You know?
Like, I'm the one setting the rules, but I'm also the one enforcing the rules.
And I'm like, you good.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's funny.
brian simpson
Get it next time.
joe rogan
Yeah, you almost have to create a boss in your brain for like certain things that you have to do.
Like a general just tells you what to do.
unidentified
Yeah, sir.
joe rogan
You just fucking go do it.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Got to be a robot.
brian simpson
David Gauggins could definitely sell an app, just a motivational app.
joe rogan
He could, but.
brian simpson
Just calls you a bitch every month.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, really, all you need to do is just go watch his videos.
If you want to get motivated, just go watch that guy's videos.
brian simpson
Yeah.
Do people ever go to like, just go stay with him?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's done that before.
David Eiler, is that who it was?
No.
What was his name?
Who he stayed with?
Yeah, the dude that wrote the book.
Fuck.
I can't believe I can't remember his name.
brian simpson
Like, he's on some Diamond Dallas page shit where, like, he'll just.
joe rogan
Well, he, not really.
This dude was writing a book.
Jesse Itzler?
Yes.
That's it.
Stayed with him.
And, you know, David's like, all right, we're going to train.
And, you know, you're going to do whatever the fuck I tell you to do.
And we're going to do it.
I forget how many days you did it for.
He wrote a book about it, right?
Like, living with a Navy SEAL.
I think he did it for like 30 days.
brian simpson
You probably got to pass a physical.
joe rogan
Well, yeah, you could die.
You could definitely die.
You could definitely have a heart attack.
brian simpson
But see, that's the thing.
He don't care if he die.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Remember, he had something happen, some kind of heart thing.
joe rogan
Rhabdomyelosis.
He had rhabdomyelosis.
He's had a bunch of things.
He's had heart surgery, but he had rhabdomyelosis that he got because rhabdo is when you push yourself so hard.
Let's put that into perplexity, our sponsor, and find out exactly what rhabdomyelosis is because I'm going to fuck this up.
brian simpson
What is perplexity?
joe rogan
We got an AI sponsor.
brian simpson
No bullshit.
joe rogan
Perplexity.
Yeah.
brian simpson
Was it like a doctor?
joe rogan
No, it's an AI.
It's an AI large language model, and it gives you answers.
So process is when muscle tissue damaged by trauma, excessive exercise, prolonged immobility, metabolic or genetic disorders, infections, toxins, or certain medications.
So obviously, in David Goggins' case, excessive exercise.
So the muscle cell breaks down.
Substances like myoglobin, creatine, kinase, electrolytes, and enzymes leak into the blood.
Myoglobin, filtered by the kidneys, can cause urine to turn dark brown or red, and in large amounts can cause acute kidney failure.
So when your piss starts looking like Diet Coke, that's when you know you got a problem.
brian simpson
I think you just gave Hollywood the worst idea.
unidentified
No.
brian simpson
Instead of people coughing into a napkin so you know they're sick, they're going to be taking a piss that's going to turn into syrup.
joe rogan
Well, it's only if someone works out so hard that your body's breaking down.
That's really what it is.
Like you're literally working yourself to death.
brian simpson
Yeah, but then this crazy motherfucker finished the race.
joe rogan
He went to the hospital.
He went to the hospital, recovered in the hospital, went back to the exact spot where he stopped and completed the race.
And then did like 100 push-ups at the finish line.
unidentified
You just went to the hospital for doing extra.
joe rogan
You just can't, you know, you just have to accept that's who he is.
That's who he is.
He's got no knee cartilage.
He still runs.
He's just a different, he's a different human.
But again, it's like the Dagestan thing.
Like there's levels to discipline and commitment.
And those guys have, it's a very high, it's also like very high-level training, too.
It's not just discipline.
It's like they're very technical.
Abdulmanop, who was Khabib's dad, was a phenomenal trainer.
Just phenomenal.
brian simpson
But where did he learn all of that shit?
joe rogan
Well, it's all, you know, Russian sambo, and they all have like a long history of, like, I think his dad, let's Google this just to make sure I'm not speaking out of my ass.
But, you know, you got to think of like sambo or combat sambo is that's where Fedora Millionenko came from, too.
So Russian sambo is like MMA, but they wear like a judo gi top, and they have shorts on and wrestling shoes, MMA gloves, and fucking headgear.
And they have combat sambo championships.
They throw each other using the gi.
They have ground and pound.
They're kicking and punching.
it's a crazy sport so it's like judo mixed with it's like judo mixed with mma But they're wearing wrestling shoes.
Like, it's really kind of crazy.
brian simpson
But there's no ground impound?
joe rogan
There's ground impound.
Yeah, it's basically kind of MMA.
So Abdulmanov, he was named by the Russian Book of Records as the most successful combat sambo coach in the country.
So he was the head coach of Eagles MMA, coached two UFC champions, his son Khabib Nermagomenov, as well as Islam Makachev.
But so he practiced from a young age while serving in the Soviet Army, Soviet Army, began to practice judo and sambo.
First big success as a coach came with his brother, Nermogomed Nermogomedov, won at the World Sambo Championship for Ukraine's national team in 92.
He trained a total of 18 world champions through his coaching career.
That's how good that guy was.
18 world champions.
That's crazy.
Show him a video of Combat Sambo.
How about show Fedor competing in Combat Sambo?
It's kind of crazy when you see him because he was competing in Combat Sambo, I believe, while he was also fighting in MMA.
He was still competing for Russia in Combat Sam.
brian simpson
There's a difference between Combat Sambo and some other kind.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, there's Sambo, which is like just the grappling art of Sambo.
But look at this.
They're fighting with punches, with the grappling key on, and shoes on.
This is crazy, right?
unidentified
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Isn't that nuts?
They got wrestling shoes on, shin pads.
brian simpson
Oh, no knees.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They can't throw knees here?
Is that what's going on?
I don't know.
I don't know what the rules are.
brian simpson
Because I feel like if they could, he would have thrown them right there.
joe rogan
Pretty crazy, man.
So that's Fedor when he was world champion in MMA.
Maybe the greatest of all time.
He's definitely in the argument of the greatest of all time.
brian simpson
Fedor?
joe rogan
Yeah, the argument is him, Kane Velasquez, for heavyweight, Francis and Ganu, and John Jones now, that he's a heavyweight, but he hasn't really, the only heavyweights that he really beat, he beat Stipe when Stipe was kind of at the end of his career.
And he beat Gone, but he caught Gone in the guillotine real early.
Clearly one of the greatest fighters of all time.
But the argument of him being the greatest heavyweight, he's only got two heavyweight fights.
Then the other guy is Fabricio Verdum.
Fabricio Verdum, on paper, has one of the best arguments because he tapped everybody.
He tapped all the world champions.
Fabricio Verde.
And people forget, man, because they only look at a guy when the guy's lost.
Like MMA fans, once someone loses and they start, they have a few losses in a row, people forget how good they were when they were in their prime.
And Fabricio Verdum in his prime tapped Fedor Emilianenko, Kane Velasquez, and Minotaro Noguera.
Which is crazy.
brian simpson
What are you saying?
There's a window, right?
Was it nine years?
joe rogan
It's about nine years.
brian simpson
When fighters came that heavyweight window shortened real fight.
It gets short.
What's the most defenses in the heavyweight?
joe rogan
It's Stepe.
Stipe has two or three.
brian simpson
It's just three, right?
joe rogan
Let's find out.
brian simpson
It's just three.
joe rogan
Stipe Miocic is the, he's the consensus most successful heavyweight of all time.
You could say maybe he's the greatest of all time.
You know, it's all when you catch him.
I mean, the guy got through Francis in that first fight when Francis was just like taking people's heads off.
Like they were attached with sticky glue.
brian simpson
With three, yeah, three.
joe rogan
Three.
brian simpson
You would think it would be more than three, right?
Oh, man.
Because all the other weight classes, like, what's light heavyweight?
It's like four.
joe rogan
He's got four.
Hold on.
Scroll back up.
jamie vernon
Oh, this thing was three in a row.
joe rogan
Yeah, three in a row.
But he's got the most titled defenses.
Scroll back up, please.
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So he's got the most title defenses in the division's history with four.
brian simpson
Oh, right, because he took the belt back from Cormier.
joe rogan
Right.
And then defended against Cormier and then defended against Francis, which was the craziest one.
unidentified
Right.
brian simpson
And then lost it to Francis.
joe rogan
No, no, defended against Francis.
Oh, no, no, no.
I fucked this up.
Defended against Francis, then got knocked out by Cormier.
Cormier knocked him out after the Francis fight.
brian simpson
No, you're absolutely right.
joe rogan
Then they fought a second time, and Steve beat him, stopped him.
That was the time when he was hooking him to the body.
brian simpson
Body shots, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
He had that beautiful left hook to the body that he just had wired.
So he beat Daniel, beat Daniel again.
He beat him by decision in the third fight.
And then in the next one, he fought.
Scroll up.
In the next one, he fought Francis again and got KO'd.
That was a brutal one.
And then John Jones hit him with that beautiful spinning back kick to the body.
But it's like he's in the argument, too, for one of the greatest of all time.
My thing about Fabricio, though, is like people forget how hard it is to submit a guy like Fedora Millionenko or a guy like Kane Velasquez.
And to be the guy that submits all, like out of the guys who you consider possibly all-time greats, he submitted three of them.
That's nuts.
brian simpson
When Velasquez first came on the scene, I thought nobody was going to be able to beat him.
joe rogan
Bro, he was a monster because he was a heavyweight with cardio like a lightweight.
It was nuts.
Nothing like that.
brian simpson
Yeah, but everybody has their day, man.
There's nobody that's unbeatable.
joe rogan
Well, what happened with Kane is he didn't adjust to Mexico City.
So they had a fight.
Kane and Fabricio fought in Mexico City.
And Mexico City, I think, is like 7,000 feet above sea level.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Put that in there.
Let's see what Plex City says about that.
I'm pretty sure that's the case, though.
I think it's about 7,000 feet above sea level.
And it's real thin air.
Also, it's a lot of pollution.
So it's not like the best air.
Like, it's not much air, and it's polluted.
And Fabricio got there way early, like months in advance.
7,350 feet.
Yeah.
Above sea level.
So real, real high altitude already.
So your cardio is already going to be taxed if you're a heavyweight.
brian simpson
Yeah, that's crazy.
joe rogan
That's 2,000 feet above Denver.
brian simpson
But why didn't he go?
Did he have a good reason?
joe rogan
I think there was some domestic issues.
Oh, man.
I think someone didn't want him leaving.
You know, he only got a chance to be out there, I think, for two weeks.
And that's not enough time.
brian simpson
That's not even close.
joe rogan
Not even close.
Fabricio was up there, I think, for six months.
I think they told him that he was going to be fighting for the title.
And I think he went up there for, I might be talking out of school, but it was many months.
It was at least four months.
And he was up in the mountains above Mexico City.
So he's like, fuck it, let's go 9,000 feet.
Let's get crazy.
And so got accustomed to even higher altitude.
And then when he came down, he was in prime shape.
And he caught Kane in a guillotine and submitted him.
It was nuts.
It was like seeing him, he's like I said, he submitted three of the greatest of all time.
Like that, that alone, you got to think.
So he showed up two months early.
Verdum did his homework prior to the fight, showed up two months early and established a training camp in the mountains, conditioning his body to even higher elevation around 12,000 feet.
So I was wrong on both counts.
It wasn't four months.
It was two months.
And he was at 12,000 feet, which is fucking crazy.
brian simpson
Yeah, that's.
joe rogan
He said for the first two weeks I was here, it felt as if I'd never trained before at all.
I was so tired.
So if you got used to doing that, okay, so, okay, Kane only went 10 days early.
Oh, my God.
brian simpson
I feel like that's some shit that George St. Pierre would do just for every fight.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
Get an oxygen deprivation tank or something.
joe rogan
Well, BJ was doing that for a while.
While BJ Penn was sleeping in a tent, say it was a plastic tent that he would seal off and he would sleep inside of it.
Like you put it up around his bed and there was a thing that sucked oxygen out of the air there and it made it like you were sleeping at high elevation.
Apparently that's the move.
The move is sleep at high elevation but train at low elevation.
And the reason for that is when you train at low elevation, you have more oxygen, you can get more reps, you can put in more rounds, you can put in more work.
And then the recovery is where you really want your body to be adapting.
So then once you're done training, go back up.
Like say if you were training in like in like in the valley and then you went up to Big Bear and you were sleeping at Big Bear, which is like, I think Big Bear's like 6,000 feet or something like that.
brian simpson
But doesn't that only work if you're if the fight is at elevation?
Like if you're fighting.
joe rogan
No, the idea is sleeping at altitude is all you need.
Sleeping at altitude gets your body.
The whole thing is about getting your body to sort of adapt to this new altitude.
brian simpson
So if you just sleep at altitude, you can fight at altitude.
joe rogan
Exactly.
brian simpson
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Exactly.
You'll have more oxygen.
You'll have more.
And you'll be able to work harder.
So it's like they used to think training and sleeping at altitude is the move.
But now they think actually it's probably better.
And maybe this is debated.
I'm not sure if there's a consensus is out.
But I think what they're saying now is train at sea level and then sleep at altitude.
Which makes sense.
It makes sense.
brian simpson
Yeah.
That's for people that's already training.
joe rogan
Yeah, definitely.
brian simpson
Yeah.
Definitely.
I run out of breath just going up to altitude.
That's why Denver, whenever you go to Denver, like I love doing comedy there, but it's so, it's so dry.
joe rogan
It's dry.
brian simpson
It's so dry.
Your boogers get sharp.
joe rogan
Yep.
Yeah, your nose starts to bleed.
brian simpson
Yeah, your skin is all flaky.
joe rogan
There's no air.
And then, you know, you can get higher than that, too.
You can go to Aspen.
When they used to have the Aspen Comedy Festival, they used to have oxygen waiting for you backstage.
brian simpson
Word.
joe rogan
Yeah, in case dudes started fainting.
brian simpson
Why'd they stop that?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I think, you know, they stopped a bunch of those comedy festivals.
Where was the original one?
Was in Montreal.
And then they started doing an Aspen.
And I think they did it in Vegas too for a while, if I remember correctly.
brian simpson
That was the same people.
joe rogan
But it used to see, those things used to be effective.
It used to be you would, you know, take time off the road, go to Montreal, do your best set, and maybe you'd get a development deal.
And if you got a development deal, maybe you get a sitcom.
That was a whole, that was the carrot that they dangled on the end of the stick.
brian simpson
Career changing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like for some people, it was career changing.
It really was.
But that stopped.
And then so it was like, why are we going to these festivals?
Because I'm not getting anything out of this other than you selling tickets.
brian simpson
Well, I think that that's happened.
That happened.
What happened to most of the institutions in comedy or just show business period is the people that used to be the tastemakers, the people that used to tell the business who was next.
I think people get, because this happens all the time.
There'll be some good, there'll be somebody will start a comedy show, then all of a sudden somebody will make it from that show, and then it becomes the show in the scene in the city.
And then they start wanting to maintain that reputation.
So instead of them just fucking with who they believe in, they'll wait to see who has a little momentum.
So they kind of give it up.
They wait for the industry to tell them who's popping.
Right.
And yeah, it happened to the store.
It happened to JFL.
It happened to all these places.
And maybe people are, maybe it's coming back now.
joe rogan
But you also have to realize who are these people.
They're just people that got jobs working for whatever media company that is, whether it's NBC or Netflix or whatever it is.
They're just people that got jobs.
They might not have any idea like how a joke is made, what the process is of developing material, who's got talent, who's derivative.
They might not have any idea.
But what they do is they lick their fucking finger and they hold it up.
And whichever way the wind's blowing, they pretend they're a genius.
And that's what they do.
And oftentimes, they'll dismiss someone who turns out to be the best one of the lot.
It's real common, man.
And then they always want to stand by those ideas.
Like, I don't see it.
And like, okay, the guy's fucking selling out arenas.
I think you missed it.
But it happens a lot.
It happens a lot with these folks because they're not artists.
They're just business people and they're pretending to be artists.
It's weird.
Like, some of them give you advice.
brian simpson
But some people do have, like, there's a talent for dealing with talent that some people do have.
joe rogan
Adam Eag.
brian simpson
Right.
joe rogan
Adam Egot's a perfect example.
Because Adam is an artist whose job is to be a talent coordinator.
But he's genuinely an artist.
Like, he gets it.
He thinks like a comic.
He behaves like a comic.
He was a funny co-host of Norm McDonald's show.
You know, when Norm had that show, Adam was on that show with him.
Like, he gets it.
He understands the business.
brian simpson
He'll hit you with a zinger from time to time.
joe rogan
It's a funny dude.
brian simpson
Yeah, he got a couple in the chamber.
joe rogan
He's a funny dude, but he's also a smart dude.
And he knows potential.
He sees someone and he can give them genuinely good advice.
Like, genuinely, like, you could take this and develop it this way.
Maybe you need to work on this.
Maybe you need to, you know.
brian simpson
But you know, more importantly, I think he has the courage of his convictions.
Where it's like, like, when I first got to Hollywood, you know, I went over, you know, I went everywhere at least once or twice.
And, you know, some people, you know, people like, come back next week, or, you know, you got to wait till this time or whatever.
Everyone saw me at least once.
Adam saw me.
He was the only person that was like, come back next week.
Like, you get a spot next week.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It's because he gets it.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
And like he started, he started fucking with me immediately.
And it wasn't any hesitation at all.
It was like from the time I met him, I was just getting spots at the store.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
Yeah.
And so to do that, to have that belief in your eye, you know, instead of needing other people's because of how most of show business works is everybody's just, no one wants to be the first one on your dick, but no one wants to be the last one.
So even if they see something they think is dope, they'll be like, does anybody else think it's dope?
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
No?
Okay, me neither.
unidentified
Right.
brian simpson
You know, but then as soon as a couple of people think it's dope, then it was like, I all I saw it six months ago.
It's like, you know, it's that kind of shit.
So.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's where they're pretending they have talent.
brian simpson
Yes.
joe rogan
They're talent.
brian simpson
But the problem is, you don't have to have the talent talent to be in a position of that, to be in a position.
joe rogan
No, you don't.
You can just get a job and they need someone to do it.
And if you sell yourself, and if you worked, you know, in production before or you did something as an agent or whatever the fuck it is, you're in the business.
brian simpson
Suffer under some tyrant.
joe rogan
There's a lot of that.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a lot of that.
A lot of suffering under tyrants.
And then these guys, they wind up, you know, fucking ruining companies because they don't know what, like, how many terrible specials have you seen that just fit the right demographic?
Fit this like silly thing.
Like, that was another problem that Adam was having at the store is that he couldn't just give spots to the people that he thought was funny.
It's there was pressure to make a certain amount of gay people on the set, a certain amount of women, a certain amount of they had like people telling him he didn't have enough of certain demographics.
brian simpson
But where's the pressure coming from?
joe rogan
Oh, I don't know.
It was coming from, you know, I don't want to talk out of school.
Okay.
But it wasn't just comics.
There was, you know, people that were buying into it.
And that's nonsense.
brian simpson
My mind immediately went to something silly.
He just wakes up, there's a dildo on his pillow with a note.
unidentified
No, he was being told.
joe rogan
He was being told.
And it's just like, you know, there's a lot of vicious people in this fucking business.
And if you're a guy and your job is working at a club and that's all you got.
And, you know, all of a sudden that job is threatened because people are complaining about you and they think that you're not doing your best to make the lineup more diverse.
Which is like, it's so silly because this is the thing that we always talk about in the green room.
Like, look how diverse that club is.
There's everybody there.
Like, all kinds of different kinds of people.
And the idea that like it's one thing, this is the most dumb straw man that gets tossed around.
Like, it's all right-wing comedy club.
The vast majority of the people that work there are left-wing people.
Vast majority.
brian simpson
That's a fact.
joe rogan
It's a fact.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you can't, like, you can't tie it down.
You know, it's all white males.
That's bullshit.
There's all kinds of people there.
There's Arabs and Muslim people.
There's people from India.
There's people from Asia.
There's black people, white people, Australians.
There's people from fucking everywhere at that club.
And just there's one thing in common only.
Do you love comedy?
Are you trying to get better?
Are you funny?
brian simpson
There is something to be said about being aware of your blind spots.
But I don't think that the way Hollywood always does diversity is wrong because they'll go, instead of going to find, they'll go, we're missing this slice of the pie.
Instead of going and finding the funniest people, they'll just pick anyone.
And I don't know if that always, this is almost never the best way to do it.
joe rogan
It's never the best way.
It's like the same thing for neurosurgeons.
If you're like, you know, I'm really looking for a Danish woman neurosurgeon.
Like, no, no, no.
You have a brain tumor.
Like, no, no, no.
I want to really want a Danish woman.
Like, no, no.
You got to get the best guy.
The best guy's a Chinese guy.
We found him.
He was out of Harvard.
This guy.
No, no, no.
Like, that's crazy.
And that's the same thing with everything.
It's like, it should be a meritocracy.
And I think ultimately you're going to have examples of all sorts of different kinds of people that rise to the top in a true meritocracy.
brian simpson
I mean, but the well, the pendulum always swings both back and forth, but it's almost never a meritocracy.
joe rogan
In comedy?
brian simpson
Or just, I'm just talking about America.
joe rogan
Comedy is one of the only things where it's a genuine meritocracy.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah.
Well, when it comes to the crowd, you can't cheat.
unidentified
You can't cheat.
joe rogan
No.
It is what it is.
Unless you're stealing.
That's the only thing.
If someone's a joke thief.
brian simpson
Or unless you're a fucking hack.
joe rogan
You can get away with a lot.
But you can't get away with a lot with your peers, right?
You can't, like, your peers won't like you.
They won't want to be around.
They won't want to go on the road with you with your whack-ass jokes.
No.
brian simpson
Unless you're super famous.
People are just holding their nose and go on the road with you.
joe rogan
There's a few.
That's true.
There's a few that will do that.
But ultimately, though, when it comes to sustaining a career and having years and years of people coming out to see you and multiple specials and stuff like that, it either works or it doesn't work.
That's it.
It's real simple.
Once people find out about you, now you've got your foot in the door.
And it's all just about keeping it on the gas.
Keep your foot on the gas and keep producing.
Keep making stuff.
Keep writing.
Keep working on sets.
And if you're working for those people, they'll keep showing up for you because you made them laugh.
brian simpson
I hope that stays true.
Because it's the only thing I'm good at.
I'm bad at everything except my comedy.
joe rogan
Well, you're really good at your comedy, though.
Some people never get really good at anything.
brian simpson
But I feel like every year you have to be good at something else.
unidentified
No.
brian simpson
Editing, sketches, scripts.
They want you to act.
They want you to.
joe rogan
You don't.
Look at David Tell.
He does one thing.
Does one thing.
Stand-up comedy.
Everybody loves him.
He's amazing.
brian simpson
Yeah, fat.
joe rogan
Does one thing.
That's it.
I mean, that dude doesn't even go on social media at all, which is the only reason why he's not selling out enormous arenas.
When we had him at the club last weekend, everybody's like, dude, he's the best.
He might be, he's one of the best of all time.
And he's working clubs.
brian simpson
I mean, a lot of people put him at the very top.
joe rogan
He's up there, dude.
It's like, it's kind of silly to rank comedians.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right.
And every comic that's alive today owes a debt of gratitude to the people that came before us.
We all do, because it's a relatively new art form.
brian simpson
Yeah.
I mean, I go by joke, by joke, by joke.
I don't really have a favorite comedian, but there's some bits out there where I'm like, that's fucking.
And some of those come from, you know, a few of them come from the same people.
But it tells one of those people where you just, sometimes you're just in awe.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
You know?
joe rogan
Beautiful.
brian simpson
But I love that.
I love getting to watch a comic to make you go, God damn, I need to just ball my shit up and fucking throw it away.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's the best feeling.
That's where the fire starts burning and gets you going.
You need to feel that.
That's why comics don't exist in a vacuum.
You know, we were talking about this the other day that we were talking about like McCann.
So McCann is in this thing where he might have to move.
And we're like, bro, you got to stay.
Like you're killing it and you're getting funnier.
You're like funnier all the time.
And I think one of the reasons why is what you're around.
Comics don't exist in a vacuum.
You're not going to go to like South Dakota and find the best comic that no one's ever seen.
The best comic in the world lives in South Dakota by himself.
And he's, you know, he works at this little local comedy club and everybody comes to see him from miles around.
No.
The best comics are around other killers.
You get to see a guy like David Tell go up and you're like, God damn.
You get to see Shane Gillis go up.
You go, God damn.
You get to see Joey Diaz.
You get to see all these fucking killers over and over and over again.
And when you're around that, you see Ron White every week.
Like, that's how you get better.
Like, that's where it's all.
brian simpson
Dan McCann brings the heat.
joe rogan
He brings the heat, dude.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He's fucking talented and he's smart and he's a great guy and he's fucking just a curious, interesting thinker.
brian simpson
And he's got a zany delivery.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Like whenever I follow McCann, he always brings me up like he auctioned enslaves.
Brad!
Sips it.
You know, he says my name like Leonardo DiCaprio and Django.
unidentified
Ah, Brad.
brian simpson
Watch, we're going to get that on tape somewhere.
joe rogan
Yeah, we'll get that tonight.
Well, I'll bring him in tonight.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Is he coming in now?
I think so.
I think so.
I got to text him as soon as we get out of here.
brian simpson
Oh, speaking of the comedy, my Don't Tell shit came out this week.
Go check it out.
It's already out.
joe rogan
Oh, it was out this week?
brian simpson
It was out last week, but it's going.
It's taking off.
joe rogan
Nice.
Beautiful.
brian simpson
Yeah, it's like a couple million.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
brian simpson
Go check it out.
It's on YouTube.
Don't tell comedy.
joe rogan
That WAP joke is one of my all-time favorite jokes.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah.
that's on my youtube channel yeah so yeah it's uh yes we got a lot of stuff online man just like Some people are like, I just now discovered Reduit.
I'm like, really?
joe rogan
That's how it works, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's so much shit out there.
brian simpson
That's the thing, man.
A million people can watch your shit and nobody saw it.
joe rogan
Isn't that nuts?
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's how many people there are on the bottom.
brian simpson
There's people that are huge fans of yours that don't even know you do stand-up.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
brian simpson
You know what I mean?
How's that possible?
joe rogan
Well, there's just too many things to pay attention to.
Like, how many times have you heard about an actor?
Like, my kids will tell me about someone.
And I'm like, who is that?
And they're like, oh, my God, that person's huge.
I'm like, shut up, really?
And then I go to their Instagram page.
They have 30 million Instagram followers.
I'm like, how?
Am I that old?
brian simpson
Happens to me all the time.
I've officially reached unk status.
joe rogan
Yeah, i'm unknatus for sure.
I'm on grandpa status, Grandpa Joe.
Grandpa Joe doesn't know anything because i'm not looking.
brian simpson
The thing is i'm not at the point like i'm not looking for new stuff, so if the kids don't tell me yeah, i'm not looking either.
But then that makes me feel old.
You know yeah, there'll be, it'll be somebody that's like world famous and i'm like who the fuck is that?
joe rogan
I know?
brian simpson
Yeah, like I completely missed the um, the baby Shark thing.
I just started hearing people talk about it in jokes.
Baby shark yeah, apparently it's like the number one youtube.
It's the most streamed youtube video right, Jamie?
unidentified
I mean, this is a couple years ago guys, but it's it's still number one now.
joe rogan
Right, missed it.
Baby shark doot doot, do do.
unidentified
Oh, baby shark doot doot, do do.
brian simpson
I literally hadn't heard that song.
It had been out for maybe a year and a half and I hadn't heard anything about it.
I just heard a comic making jokes about it, and usually when something's in the pop culture, everyone will be trying to have their own thing.
And I heard another comic say a joke about it.
I'm like what the is that?
And, sure enough.
It's like I completely missed it.
How could I?
I mean, I don't have kids.
That makes sense.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
Okay this, is it that video?
That's a big video.
I've never seen that video.
The world's most watched Youtube video hasn't made its creator rich.
What huh, how come, HOLD ON?
UH, company behind ubiquitous song is hampered by ad restrictions on children's content.
Wants to raise funds for expansion.
What does that mean?
Raise funds?
You had one viral video.
You ain't a company.
jamie vernon
16.4 billion views, oh that's.
joe rogan
And they can't make money.
jamie vernon
This is roughly equivalent to Taylor Swift's 10 most popular youtube videos combined.
joe rogan
Whoa yeah, last year, the company generated equivalent of about 67 million dollars in revenue, including earnings from Youtube.
But wait a minute, that's a lot.
That's a lot.
So it seems like they are making money.
I don't understand.
Is it saying the quandary underscores how certain restrictions scroll up a little?
I think we must have missed something yet.
But why is it?
It doesn't make any sense that the company hasn't made any money.
It's saying they made money.
That am I. Am I reading that wrong?
jamie vernon
Uh, revenue isn't the same as making money, though.
What revenue is just money?
And they could have.
joe rogan
So their expenses are so high.
jamie vernon
They could have spent a lot on ads to get it out there.
That's what it could be going into saying.
brian simpson
I don't know no, but i'm guessing 16 billion views probably should make you more than that.
Is that what they're trying to say?
joe rogan
So revenue is your?
brian simpson
Oh no no, that's how much money they made total, including what they got from Youtube.
It that's not just from youtube.
joe rogan
Oh, so they make money from other stuff.
brian simpson
Yeah, they probably hit like probably licensed it out and stuff like that.
joe rogan
So scroll up so you see the little graph there it says life.
I mean, scroll down, sorry.
So, operating profit revenue.
So they're making a lot more money.
brian simpson
Oh yeah, but that's that's South Korean won.
unidentified
Yeah, falling down the wrong hole.
brian simpson
No Joe's, like bring back the Ai.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know what that is like.
Like that baby shark thing.
Like why would, why would one thing catch like that?
brian simpson
Because it's, because it's something for kids and people love ignoring their kids.
You just play that, put that shit on and kids are obsessed.
joe rogan
Can't just be that, because there's so many things that kids can watch, it can't be just that.
It's got to be.
There's some remember that banana song, banana phone, ring banana phone.
brian simpson
No, it was like.
I never heard that before.
joe rogan
It was like in the 2000s.
It became like really popular.
I think it was popular on Opi And Anthony.
They kept playing it.
It was like really catchy, totally innocent, and then it was like everywhere for like three or four weeks and then it went away and I always wonder like what?
What the fuck?
Is it where something just catches fire?
brian simpson
I don't know.
Remember when Tickle Me Elmo, because what was the last time we had a viral holiday toy like, where it was the toy everyone had to have?
jamie vernon
Tickle the lobos.
It's not holidays, but those laboo boos were pretty viral.
joe rogan
Yeah, people love the laboo boos.
brian simpson
And I don't get it.
Why, though?
Are they collectors?
Is this like what?
joe rogan
Because they know AI is about to take over the world, and they know the aliens are landing, and Jesus Christ is coming back, and they just are freaking out.
They're just buying stuffed animals.
They don't know what the fuck they're doing.
They're just following the lead.
brian simpson
So a laboo boo is just a stuffed animal.
jamie vernon
I don't know.
joe rogan
I hear about them.
My brain shuts off.
jamie vernon
There's a little bit of gambling involved.
It's a mystery.
You don't know what's inside the box that you bought, and then people can sell those boxes based off of what could be inside.
joe rogan
Is it a stuffed animal?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
A stuffed animal, then you got to gut your stuffed animal to find out a box.
jamie vernon
It's in a box, it's in a package, and then you don't know what's inside.
brian simpson
So you just buy a labo-boo without knowing which one you're going to get.
jamie vernon
And you might get a limited edition one inside.
brian simpson
It's like a real-life loot box.
That's a limited edition.
jamie vernon
It's like genie babies.
Without knowing what you got before, and you might get the Princess Die one.
brian simpson
That's brilliant.
unidentified
You could get a limited edition laboo boo.
jamie vernon
And other than that?
brian simpson
How much is it to buy a mystery labooboo?
jamie vernon
It could be 20 bucks.
It could be 50.
joe rogan
Let's take a guess.
Let's take a guess.
How much do you think it costs to get a laboo boo?
jamie vernon
Retail.
joe rogan
Retail.
brian simpson
I'm going to say 40 bucks.
joe rogan
40 bucks.
Yeah, I think I'm with you.
I was going to say 36.
jamie vernon
And after that, how much do you think it is a resale?
joe rogan
That's a cost to get them, yeah.
I bet it's like buying one of them, like a hot new car.
jamie vernon
So retail is $28, $27.99.
joe rogan
Okay.
brian simpson
Okay.
joe rogan
$30.
And then what does it cost online if you want to buy one right now?
I need a laboo boo.
brian simpson
Like a mystery.
joe rogan
A mystery laboo boo.
What do I get?
Are you Googling it?
jamie vernon
Yeah, yeah, it's going to turn off my ring.
Up to 80 to 120.
It's not that bad.
Oh, well, a few human-sized auction pieces.
Oh, that's big.
$100,000.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
They have human-sized laboo?
jamie vernon
I didn't know that.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
That is so ridiculous.
What is someone doing with a human-sized labooboo who's fucking their laboo boo?
Because you know someone is.
Let me see what the labo-oos look like.
Is this something like a furry would fuck?
jamie vernon
Let me try to go with a human-sized labooboo.
Human-sized.
joe rogan
Oh, you hear the latest that that dude who shot Trump might have been a furry?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I saw that.
I found some more stuff.
joe rogan
What?
Yeah.
They think he was a furry.
jamie vernon
That's like an art piece.
It's not really quite, you know.
joe rogan
Well, that's not really human-sized either.
jamie vernon
Human-sized labo-build dolls sold for $150,000.
joe rogan
Let me see what it looks like.
brian simpson
But what they mean might have been a furry.
I feel like you would know or not know that.
joe rogan
They're finding stuff.
Like, let's find out.
Yeah.
There it is.
There's the big luboo boo.
Whatever.
brian simpson
This lady invented them.
joe rogan
She invented the laboo boo?
Again, how?
How does that work?
How's that catch on?
How's that catch on?
Like, Build-A-Bear has been in the fucking mall forever.
brian simpson
I mean, I think I know what it is.
It's probably some fucking hot, smoking-hot K-pop star.
Probably they saw her with one on.
You know, there's certain women where they follow, and anytime she does any fashion thing, it just spreads like wildfire.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a thing that does happen whenever a popular person starts wearing a thing.
brian simpson
Yeah, they literally tricked all women into wearing and then wanting a diamond.
Well, you remember when she looked in the actress to do it.
joe rogan
Judas Priest had everybody dressing up like a gay motorcycle gang member.
brian simpson
What?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
That started with Judas Priest?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Rob Halford from Judas Priest is gay.
Like openly gay.
And now, at least, you know, I don't know if he was back then, but he dressed like a gay biker.
Like, and that became like metal.
Oh, because Judas Priest was so good, they wanted to dress like this gay guy who dressed like a gay guy who'd go to like a gay biker club.
brian simpson
Yeah, it smells like hot women around the world.
Because dudes will do, dudes will do anything that they think, yeah, we'll get them laid.
And women will do anything that a pretty woman does.
joe rogan
That's true.
Anything to make yourself look prettier, too.
brian simpson
And so it's like, because all of the dudes now talking all that gay shit, they was dressing like that in the 70s and the 80s, like earrings and makeup and purses and all of that.
joe rogan
Bell bottoms, big collars.
brian simpson
Yeah, because they thought it was going to get them late.
joe rogan
Flouncy shirts.
brian simpson
You could dress like Prince.
You could dress like Little Richard.
joe rogan
That's right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Anything that works.
Platform shoes.
Anything that works.
brian simpson
Anything.
joe rogan
Okay.
Thomas Crooks used they-them pronouns, had obsession with political violence and muscle mommies.
Uh-oh, that's what I like.
brian simpson
Yeah, what's wrong?
I like a woman that can move a cow.
joe rogan
I do.
The lone sniper who grazed Trump in the ear, killed a beloved firefighter, critically wounded two other Trump supporters, apparently had a muscle mommy fetish and repeatedly searched for videos about female bodybuilders and muscular women.
But what was the furry stuff, though?
I was reading some furry stuff.
Crooks had two accounts on two possible accounts on DeviantArt, a site that hosts fan art, has become notorious for its community of furries.
People who identify as anthropomorphized animal characters are sexually attracted to them.
They ever tell you about the time that I accidentally stumbled on a furry convention.
brian simpson
No.
joe rogan
We were flying into Pittsburgh for a UFC.
One of DeviantArt accounts, linked to Crooks, shared just one post reposting of a towering, muscular female bodybuilder and a slight man in his underwear.
brian simpson
Yeah, I'm all up.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's like our crumb type stuff.
Hilarious.
brian simpson
Yeah, I don't kink shame.
joe rogan
I don't kink shame either.
brian simpson
No.
joe rogan
Have fun.
Me and Duncan wore furry outfits once.
brian simpson
For the pod?
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Yeah.
joe rogan
And we had to take the hats off after like five minutes.
Like, respect to furries.
You can walk around all day with this fucking thing on.
It was heavy.
It was hard to breathe.
It was hot.
We took it up.
Oh, yeah, that's what he likes.
Yeah, baby.
brian simpson
But who doesn't like that?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Some little dudes.
Some little dudes don't want to be dominated.
Don't want some man, some woman to use them like a dildo.
When I was, so I was flying into Pittsburgh.
We were flying in for a UFC, and we got a rental and we're driving to the hotel.
And as we're driving to the hotel, I'm like, why are all these mascots on the street?
The fuck's going on?
It was real weird.
Like, we didn't understand what was going on.
This is a while ago, like at least 10 years ago.
And we're driving, and I'm like, what the fuck is this?
Like, what's going on?
We get to the hotel and I'm like, and I go to the guy behind the counter.
I go, man, what the fuck is going on?
He goes, it's a furry convention.
Like, I didn't even, I kind of vaguely knew what a furry was, but I never really dove into it, you know?
So I go, what are you talking about?
He goes, it's a convention of all these people that get off on dressing like animals.
I go, get off.
He goes, dude, they're asking us to serve them food in bowls on the ground.
Okay.
When they get room service, they want their room service in a bowl.
They want it put on the ground so they can get on their knees and eat it out of a bowl.
And they were asking for a litter box.
I know a lot of people don't believe this.
Like, because I told the story about a friend of mine who lives in Utah.
His wife was a school teacher there.
And one of the parents had a child that was a furry, and they wanted to put a litter box in the bathroom.
Now, this was entirely relayed to me by my friend who it was relayed to him by his wife who worked in the school.
I don't know if it's true, but everybody got so angry and they started saying what I was saying was transphobic.
And I got so confused because I was like, this is a couple of years ago.
I was like, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait.
What does this have to do with trans people?
We're talking about someone who wants to shit in a box.
Like, where's the trans part of this?
So somehow or another, furries and that kink are getting like lumped into this LGBTQTAI plus whatever.
And they're trying to like lump furries in there in this debunking of my conspiracy theory.
brian simpson
Well, furries are their own.
joe rogan
That's what I didn't understand.
brian simpson
Some of them is not sexual.
joe rogan
But these guys, it was.
When I was talking to the guy that worked behind the counter, I was like, what is going on?
He goes, dude, he goes, apparently, what these guys like to do is they have like a hatch on the back of their furry outfit.
And they like to bang each other without even knowing who they're banging.
All they do, they pretend they're banging a giant squirrel and they're into it.
And it's apparently like part of the fun is that you don't have to think about your body.
Maybe you're ashamed of your body.
Maybe you don't like your body.
Maybe you're just like, I'd rather someone just fuck me and think I'm a raccoon.
And so that's what they do.
brian simpson
See, I pray to God I don't find out that that's my kink because it's just too much work.
joe rogan
It's a lot of work.
The head is heavy.
You know?
Heavy is the head that carries the thread.
brian simpson
Yeah, that's it.
Any kink that requires maintenance.
joe rogan
That's a lot of washing.
You got to wash that furry outfit.
And if someone jizzes on it and doesn't tell you.
brian simpson
Yeah, but then it might be a subsection of the community where they like it not washed.
They want the dirty furries.
They over there.
joe rogan
Like an animal, like in the woods.
They don't wash themselves.
brian simpson
Come on.
joe rogan
Let's go.
We're furries?
Are we furries or are we mad?
brian simpson
I once had a, I used to work at this pub in San Diego.
And one time we had, it was like a, it was like, I don't know if they're a subsect of the furry world, but it's like they're, they're like my little pony people.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And what do they call them?
There's a name for that.
jamie vernon
Gronies.
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Gronies.
joe rogan
Bronies.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's like a whole bunch of people or something.
brian simpson
And they were all very nice and respectful.
And you could see, you know, there were a handful of women involved.
And you could see everybody trying to angle for the, but they took, they just, they filled up our pub.
joe rogan
And these are all the My Little Pony people.
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Yeah.
jamie vernon
Documentary that was like 10 years, 12 years.
joe rogan
And bro.
brian simpson
And they're hardcore.
Like, they don't tolerate any teasing whatsoever.
Like, if you try to come at them about it, it's going to be a problem.
You know, like.
joe rogan
You got to be able to take some teasing.
brian simpson
Yes.
joe rogan
If you want me to take you seriously?
brian simpson
I'm telling you, bro, they're going to throw hoofs immediately.
They're throwing hoofs.
joe rogan
People will find a thing that they're really into, no matter what it is.
They will find a fucking thing that they're really into.
brian simpson
But that's the reason, that's why I don't kink Shane because I'm like, hey, man, if you just be lucky that all the things that make you come are things you consider normal.
You know what I mean?
Right.
Because I feel bad.
Like, imagine if you found out.
joe rogan
Right, that that was your thing.
brian simpson
Yeah, you could only, you could only get off if you was dressed as a wolf.
You know?
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joe rogan
I think it's a psychological thing, but they don't like who they really are.
I mean, that's that's if I had to guess what the furry thing is.
I don't think there's any well-I mean, I don't know.
Maybe there's some well-balanced furries out there that just have a weird thing.
But I think most of them just don't like who they are.
And so they just want to hide in this thing that's all smiley.
And hi, kids.
You know, you look like a fucking some sort of a giant animal.
brian simpson
See, I have a theory.
I think whatever, I think the first time you encounter something sexual, whatever's happening gets like burned into your shit.
joe rogan
That's called imprinting.
brian simpson
Yeah.
Like, like, I got a homie that's like into like, you know, the BDSM world and stuff like that.
And he has no idea.
And I was like, well, how did you know that?
He was like, oh, I have no idea.
And then, you know, years later, without completely unrelated, he's telling me one time about him looking for Christmas presents and going in the back of his parents' closet and finding a whole chest of, you know, whips and chains and shit like that when he was like six or seven years old.
He didn't make the connection.
We're just like, oh, yeah, well, that's why you're.
joe rogan
Yeah, duh.
Parents are into whips and chains and shit.
brian simpson
And I don't know if that had to happen because I think your kinks are genetic.
joe rogan
Really?
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why do you think that?
brian simpson
I think I've read that, right?
joe rogan
Well, I think some information is probably passed down from parents to kids.
And I would imagine kinks could be in there.
Because artistic talent is passed down.
Obviously, athletic talent is often passed down.
It would make sense.
I bet a lot of they don't know exactly what you're giving to your kids.
brian simpson
Well, let's find out because if it's true, I mean, that's going to make you look at your mama real different.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You don't want to know that.
That's horrible.
Yeah, but I pity the poor people that have accidentally walked in on their parents fucking.
brian simpson
What?
You never did that?
joe rogan
No.
brian simpson
No.
Me neither.
unidentified
The horror.
brian simpson
No, actually, that's not true.
I never walked in, but I definitely knew that that's what was happening.
joe rogan
I can block that out.
brian simpson
Read.
joe rogan
You can't block out the visual.
brian simpson
Because you've definitely touched the doorknob and been like, your dad with his feet up in your air, your mom eating his ass.
No, no way.
I don't have no visuals.
joe rogan
Your dad's stroking it while your mom's eating his ass.
Like, no, no, no, no, no.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Oh, God.
Yeah, see, there you go.
I can't live anymore like that.
I can't go through this world.
I'm going to have to get electroshock therapy.
brian simpson
But imagine if you walk in and what would have to happen for you to be a furry?
What would you have to see?
joe rogan
I don't think it's that.
I think it's, I think probably, there's probably some social disorder involved in some of those folks, too.
There's like furry lights, which my kids go to school with.
There's some kids that wear like ears and like maybe a tail.
And every now and then you see one of those.
brian simpson
Yeah, yeah.
jamie vernon
This Bronia thing might have started as a 4chan troll that's probably too far.
joe rogan
4chan rules.
jamie vernon
Out of control, like a few other things have done.
joe rogan
They're the best.
jamie vernon
I can't tell.
joe rogan
Do you see what they did with the free flow, a free bleeding project?
brian simpson
What is that?
Hold on, wait.
joe rogan
They tricked women into thinking that it's like a sign of feminism to just bleed and not have a tampon or a maxi pad.
brian simpson
Oh, like old school.
joe rogan
You just let it go.
Free bleeding.
And so they did it as a joke.
And then some women adopted it who thought it was like, you know, radical feminists.
Crazy ladies.
brian simpson
So now free bleeding is like a trend?
joe rogan
No, it didn't last.
It's disgusting.
It's probably totally unsanitary.
You smell like fish.
It's hell.
It's hell.
You have a pussy blood running down your fucking pants and you're showing up at the office.
You expect to keep your job here at United Health?
Get out of here.
brian simpson
I don't think anybody was showing up at no offices.
Those are definitely kids with no jobs.
joe rogan
At Starbucks, you're showing up at Starbucks.
Oh, that's not real.
No way.
That lady would die.
She would literally be dead.
That's like if you shot her with a fucking arrow.
brian simpson
The thing is, there's no.
joe rogan
Is this lady free bleeding?
jamie vernon
These were the 4chan posts of people trying to share it.
That it was real.
I'm not putting this on this.
joe rogan
But that could be a lady that's just doing a marathon and forgot a tampon.
It's like, fuck it, I'm going to push through it.
Because I saw one lady who diarrhea herself.
It went all down her leg and everything, and she completed that fucking race.
brian simpson
Well, the thing is, it's hard to tell what's real and what's AI.
joe rogan
That's real.
That's real.
That's a little pussy blood right there.
I can tell.
I'm an expert.
brian simpson
But the thing is, free bleeding is one thing, but it's like, but just getting your pussy blood on other people's stuff.
joe rogan
They don't care.
brian simpson
Like, if you're doing that shit at home or in the grass, they're marking their territory.
joe rogan
Well, what did people do before they invented tampons?
Like, I mean, are you supposed to just wash it out?
Like, what are you supposed to do?
What does nature want you to do?
Like, nature doesn't want you.
That's why toxic shock syndrome is a thing.
When women have tampons and they leave them up there and then they can get really sick and women have died from toxic shock syndrome from tampons.
brian simpson
I don't think people even cared about.
jamie vernon
I don't know if this might be full satire, but this is someone talking about how it's not made up and it's a real thing.
4chan people tried to claim they started this.
joe rogan
Misogynic users of the online forum 4chan would claim that they jokingly started the movement in 2014 and see how far they can make angry feminists go.
Fake memes and Twitter accounts apparently belong to feminist activists began posting content about free bleeding.
This backfired spectacularly for the 4chan trolls when they unwittingly created a discourse around the normalization of periods.
What?
The free bleeding movement, whether fake or not, quickly became very real and got women talking about their monthly cycle.
Since then, notable moments in the free bleeding movement have included Koran Gandhi running the Boston Marathon without something while bleed.
They missed something there.
It says without while bleeding through her sports shorts.
Poet Rupi Carr also became notable in the movement when an image of her menstrual blood on her pants and bed sheets was repeatedly removed from Instagram that same year.
Imagine like you're a hero because your pussy blood is on the internet.
This is so kooky.
This sounds like this is satire.
Who wrote it?
What's it in?
jamie vernon
It's a blog of.
brian simpson
I think you have a hard time convincing most.
joe rogan
Yeah, most, but these are crazy people.
Like most people don't want to fuck wearing a squirrel outfit, but crazy people do.
Some people do.
I'm not saying furries are crazy.
What is the blog?
And do they have other things that seem like satire?
Because that seems like satire.
jamie vernon
I'm checking real copy.
joe rogan
It's hard to tell at the edges.
When you get to the edges of radical feminism and radical leftism and radical right-wing, you know, Patriot Front type shit, it's hard to tell what satire when you get to the edges.
When you get to the most extreme examples of any movement.
brian simpson
Well, also, everything's AI now.
People just lie.
People just say bullshit.
joe rogan
Also, all those, whether it's the right-wing movements like Proud Boys or whether it's Antifa, they get infiltrated.
Those guys get infiltrated by government officials 100 fucking percent.
I guarantee you there's some FBI agents in Antifa, and I guarantee you there's some FBI agents that are in the Proud Boys.
I think the head of the Proud Boys was already outed as an FBI informant.
Isn't that true?
I think that find that out.
Google that.
Really?
Yes.
brian simpson
That's not shocking at all.
I think every single movement gets to.
joe rogan
I think he still went to jail, too.
I think he still went to jail for January 6th.
brian simpson
Yeah, I mean, they still locked up.
joe rogan
Let's say, what does it say?
Head of the Proud Boys revealed to have been an FBI informant, Enrico Tario.
Tario served as the national chairman of the Proud Boys from 2018 to 2021 and was a central figure in the group's activities, including its role in a January 6th, 2021 Capitol riot.
However, it was later disclosed that Tario worked as an informant for federal and local law enforcement agencies between 2012 and 2014 prior to his leadership in the Proud Boys.
brian simpson
Oh, beforehand.
joe rogan
That's even crazier.
That's even crazier.
Like, were they telling us the truth?
Like, that he's not doing it anymore?
It's like, fucking, who knows, man?
It's layers upon layers.
It's those Russian nesting dolls, and you open it, and there's another one in there, and you open, there's another one.
brian simpson
Bro, the Epstein files.
joe rogan
I heard there's no files.
I heard it's a hoax.
And then all of a sudden, he's going to release the files.
Well, I thought there was no files.
brian simpson
Man.
joe rogan
He wants an investigation now.
brian simpson
Listen.
joe rogan
Like, what is going on?
jamie vernon
They voted 427 to 1.
brian simpson
Who's the one?
joe rogan
Who's the one?
jamie vernon
I didn't see why he said, but he did.
brian simpson
National Security.
No fucking way you will be the one.
If you found out all of Congress voted for something, you the only one that didn't, can you change your vote?
You can't be the one, guy.
joe rogan
It should be.
It should be that it has to be like, no one can know what the vote is before you do it.
brian simpson
Bro, I would love to hear his reason.
How you the one?
joe rogan
Well, you know, I was feeling like, let's move past it and get on with our business.
brian simpson
You can't move past it.
joe rogan
These billionaires are good people.
Okay.
brian simpson
You can't move past it.
joe rogan
They're good, solid people.
unidentified
Who?
jamie vernon
Clay Higgins.
joe rogan
Where's he at of?
brian simpson
Arkansas.
jamie vernon
Indiana.
joe rogan
Yeah, there he goes.
Yeah, yeah.
Somebody got to him.
brian simpson
One of the bottom 10 in education or something like that.
joe rogan
Somebody got to him.
That's crazy, though.
Before it in 20 to 1.
brian simpson
I have been a principled note on this bill from the beginning.
What was wrong with the bill three months ago?
joe rogan
It abandons 250 years of criminal justice procedure in America.
As written, this bill reveals and injures thousands of innocent people, witnesses, people who provided alibis, family members, etc.
If enacted in its current form, this type of broad reveal of criminal investigative files released to a rabid media will absolutely result in innocent people being hurt.
Not by my vote.
The Oversight Committee is conducting a thorough investigation that has already released well over 60,000 pages of documents from the Epstein case.
That effort will continue in a manner that provides all due protections for innocent Americans.
If the Senate amends the bill to properly address privacy of victims and or other Americans who are named but not criminally implicated, then I will vote for that bill when it comes back to the House.
brian simpson
He's in that motherfucker.
joe rogan
Well, that's a point, though, right?
Like, there was people that had, like, people that had dinner over Epstein's house.
Like, Epstein had dinners and had celebrities go over his house.
Like, Chelsea Handler was one of the people that went over his house.
I don't think Chelsea Handler is out there molesting kids.
brian simpson
No, no, I get that.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
brian simpson
No, I get that, but I think we're past that.
We're beyond that point now.
joe rogan
Right, you just have to be able to say, hey, I went to his house for dinner.
brian simpson
Yeah.
I'm not saying, because people try to do that to you with like pictures.
They're like, if he was in a picture with somebody, they couldn't.
unidentified
Right.
brian simpson
You know, but it's like, it's a difference between being in the picture with somebody and being in 500 pictures with them.
unidentified
Right.
brian simpson
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
And then flying to an island.
brian simpson
Yeah.
I think the because this is a big problem.
I mean, related back to what we were talking about earlier with Hollywood, too, is that I think a lot of, I think a lot of these motherfuckers don't respect the public.
They don't respect our intelligence.
I think the average American is smart enough to know the difference between somebody that was just in there or somebody that testified than somebody that was banging children.
joe rogan
See, the thing is, the average American probably can tell the difference, but there are sub-average individuals that all they want to know is you're on the list, and they hear you're on the list, and they might try to kill you.
And that is a fact.
brian simpson
But here's the thing: the problem is.
joe rogan
And I'm not advocating for not releasing the files.
I'm just saying there's enough dumb, nutty people that will think that you're guilty.
brian simpson
There's been so much obfuscation with this.
It would be different if there was no pushback.
But there's, I think what's at stake is people's belief in the integrity of the process.
joe rogan
That's already cooked.
brian simpson
Oh, well, yeah.
That's already cooked.
Whatever, the last little shreds of it that are left.
It's like, no more you getting to sift through and decide.
Because he's, you know, it's easy to say that.
But the truth is, they want to be able to decide whose names get seen and whose names don't.
And people aren't with that.
Like, you know.
joe rogan
And they shouldn't be with that.
brian simpson
Or, or we agree with this guy, and then we let them Kennedy joints out.
We've been waiting for them.
Think about it.
They said the same thing about the Kennedy shit.
Well, we don't want to hurt.
And every time they're supposed to release it, they kick it down the road.
joe rogan
They released some new Kennedy documents, but I never heard anything come out of it.
brian simpson
Yeah, it was supposed to have been released two or three presidents.
joe rogan
There's no way those people are alive.
brian simpson
Right.
What we know is this.
We know that I forget who said it, but justice delayed is justice denied.
The longer we wait, the more we let these fucking snakes kick the can down the road, the more they get to obfuscate and muddy the waters.
joe rogan
Trump said about the JFK files.
brian simpson
What?
joe rogan
He said, I saw them, and if you saw what I saw, you wouldn't release them either.
brian simpson
That's what I'm screaming.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
What does that mean?
What does that mean?
brian simpson
I don't even, I can't even imagine what that means.
joe rogan
What does that mean?
What could that mean?
What does that mean?
brian simpson
I don't know.
joe rogan
Does that mean a foreign government?
Does that mean our government?
Does that mean the mafia?
Does that mean a coordinated effort with all the above?
What does that mean?
brian simpson
I have no idea what it could possibly mean.
joe rogan
It's crazy for something that happened in 1963.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
And almost everyone involved, almost everyone that could be embarrassed somehow is dead.
joe rogan
62 years ago, man.
brian simpson
So it would have to be something that destroys an institution or something.
joe rogan
Something.
brian simpson
Like this Epstein shit.
Right.
joe rogan
But just the amount, the sheer amount of people with insane amounts of money that are attached to this.
brian simpson
Because my conservative friends be like, they think I give a fuck about a Democrat.
They'll be like, oh, you, with a Bill Clinton's in there.
Like, I don't give a fuck who in there.
I don't care who in there.
joe rogan
You don't care.
brian simpson
Put that shit in the street.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They think you do?
Yeah, I don't have a— Party identity.
brian simpson
I don't have a favorite politician.
I don't have—there's no— There's nobody.
I don't give these motherfuckers money.
No, there's no politician that I love enough to do it because this is what's killing me.
There's people out there that are literally like, well, how old is 16, really?
You know, like they're trying to justify, like, because they want to come out of this by still showing support, but they don't want to be connected to the crime.
So they're still trying to justify their support of all of this.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
brian simpson
It's like, there's no politician I love more than I love my country or more than I have my principles of like, yeah, I think if you can't draw the line at kid fucking, then you probably should stop talking in public.
Like you shouldn't have public discourse, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Man, I think this is a pattern that has existed forever in politics.
They want you to be compromised when you get into any sort of a position so they can control you.
And I think these things like Epstein and there's probably a bunch of other similar operations that are being run.
They provide you with like a really good time or maybe you're a high-profile, extremely wealthy individual and it's hard for you to get hoes.
And some guy tells you, hey, we've got everything covered.
You know, you come to my island.
Nothing, you know, what happened on the island, stays on the island.
brian simpson
Bro, they just kicked.
Didn't they kick somebody out of the royal family?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
brian simpson
Who?
joe rogan
Prince Andrew.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They kicked him out of the family.
And there hasn't even been a former trial yet.
It's not like he's done.
brian simpson
But what does that, what, what happens when you not, they just walk you out the castle and you just on the street?
joe rogan
I think he's in a house like way out in the country.
brian simpson
Like you stay here.
In my head, I just picture him like crying over some KFC because he's never eaten peasant food.
joe rogan
I don't think he's eating peasant food.
brian simpson
So he's just not.
So he's not a regular person.
joe rogan
I think he's in a manor, like a beautiful home in the country.
brian simpson
Okay, so he has to stay.
So being kicked out of the royal family doesn't mean that you just, that you lose everything.
joe rogan
Who knows?
I mean, what does he have?
And where did he get it?
Is it just money from the government?
Because they do get paid by the government.
brian simpson
They do, but I also think they're still dukes of something and lords of something.
joe rogan
Here it says what he lost.
So after being stripped of his royal titles and forced to leave his longtime residence at Royal Lodge, Royal Lodge, Prince Andrew, now formerly known as Andrew Montbaten Windsor, will relocate to accommodation in the Sandringam Sandrigam.
How do you say that?
unidentified
Yeah, I think that.
joe rogan
Sandrigam Estate in Norfolk.
He is now excluded from royal duties and public life, and his status has been dramatically reduced.
His status has been reduced.
Loss of titles and status, eviction from Royal Lodge, relocation to Sandrigam Estate.
So he's relocated to an estate in the countryside.
Public exclusion.
He remains excluded from all royal engagements and official events, except for private family gatherings.
brian simpson
But that sounds sweet.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, he's getting away with not having to be, you know, like not being in the public eye.
unidentified
That's it.
brian simpson
Well, they were basically like, you know, all the parts about being a royal that suck?
Yeah, you don't have to do those anymore.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Financial support.
The king will provide for Andrew's basic needs, but his former royal funding and security benefits have been ended.
Andrew has sought private business opportunities to support himself, but no public roles are expected.
Wow.
brian simpson
Who's going to go into business with you, my guy?
joe rogan
He wants to go into business.
brian simpson
He's going to open up a Starbucks.
joe rogan
He's getting money from the king all this time.
This whole thing is nuts because they get money, and I don't think they have to do anything.
Like, I don't think they have real function in government, do they?
unidentified
Bruh.
joe rogan
Where's the Sandrigam Estates?
Oh, that's where he got.
Poor guy.
That's so sad.
That's so sad.
They made him stay in that castle.
Look how beautiful that place is.
That is so nuts that this guy got kicked out of there.
brian simpson
Bro.
joe rogan
He got kicked out of wherever the fuck he was, the royal lord.
brian simpson
Unless they tell me his punishment is like, they give you that estate, but they take all the servants.
joe rogan
Bro, look at the gardener's house.
Show me the garden.
That's the gardener's house.
That's where the gardener lives.
That fucking place is beautiful.
That is hilarious, dude.
brian simpson
Like, if they give him that place, but they don't give him no servants, and he just got to clean everything.
He got to walk a mile to the kitchen.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's got to do his own dishes.
brian simpson
No, but this guy's living the life.
So he just gets banished to a mansion.
He don't got to do no public duties.
joe rogan
And they probably just bring Hoes out to the mansion.
jamie vernon
Do you think he gets a puppy?
joe rogan
It's not like he stopped banging hoes.
No.
Right?
brian simpson
I mean, I don't know what he's in trouble for.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
That's the thing.
They haven't told us.
brian simpson
But to get kicked out of the royal family is they didn't even kick Megan Markle out the family and she racist.
joe rogan
Legal and public impact.
What is this?
These changes result from long-standing controversies over Andrew's association with Jeffrey Epstein and subsequent legal settlements.
Oh, he's got settlements.
Particularly, a civil case bought by Virginia Guffrey, which concluded without any admission of liability by Andrew, but resulted in a multi-million pound settlement.
Do you know that there's the amount of money that's been paid out to victims of Jeffrey Epstein is like $300 million so far?
brian simpson
From where?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Is that true?
jamie vernon
Yeah, but there's also, there's also a bunch of money that just moved after he died that no one really understands.
joe rogan
This is all so sketchy.
brian simpson
Bro, I'm telling you, a lot of people.
If they really release this shit in earnest, it's going to change everything.
I hope.
I hope it's that powerful.
joe rogan
You think it will be?
brian simpson
Well, all I know is the most powerful person on earth has been doing a lot to keep that shit from coming out.
And I don't, and I'm not like everybody else.
I don't think Trump is in there in a criminal way.
But I think a lot of he has a lot of powerful friends that have been putting pressure on him to keep that shit under wraps.
joe rogan
I think that definitely has to be.
brian simpson
I think it's going to be royal people.
It's going to be prime ministers.
It's going to be Supreme Court justices.
It's going to be all types of people.
joe rogan
Former presidents.
brian simpson
Yeah, some CEOs.
It's going to be all type of shit in there.
joe rogan
Scientists.
brian simpson
Get it out.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Get it out.
Yeah, yeah.
The world already.
There's nothing to lose for America as a whole.
joe rogan
What a crazy operation they were running.
What a crazy thing to have a bunch of people fly them out to an island that somehow or another you own.
Like, where'd you get the money to buy a fucking island, bro?
brian simpson
It's not as expensive as you think.
joe rogan
A whole island?
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
We looked at that island.
We were trying to buy it.
Actually, I shouldn't say we're trying to buy it.
We were thinking about it very briefly, but it was too expensive.
It was like $55.
brian simpson
It's not discounted now?
joe rogan
That's a discount.
brian simpson
That's the discounted price?
Oh, okay.
Okay.
joe rogan
I would imagine it's well worth well more than that.
Like, if you buy a beautiful house in like Miami, a beautiful house in Miami might be $200 million if it's on the ocean.
Those like crazy manors in like West Palm Beach.
brian simpson
But it's like, but the island's basically haunted.
You got to save the whole motherfucking thing.
joe rogan
It's too late.
You got to level it.
You got to remove the dirt and go get dirt from the island.
Yeah, you got to remove everything.
It would be that's the same reason why we never bought the One World Theater.
The same thing.
brian simpson
Oh, that weird cult.
joe rogan
Yeah, the cult thing.
I was like, oh, man, there's not enough sage in the world.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
You had to come up with some holy water, anointing, oil.
joe rogan
That's a beautiful property.
But I was like, what do they do to those poor people there?
You know, and that island.
brian simpson
I wouldn't be shocked if that dude was on there.
What was his name?
The cult leader of that cult.
joe rogan
Well, he had different names.
His first, I forget what his real name was.
He had the same name as a boxer.
I forget his fucking name.
What is the cult member's, the cult leader's name in Holy Hell?
But he changed his name twice.
So he had a fake name when he was teaching yoga in West Hollywood when he started the cult.
And then when the Cult Awareness Network started going after him, because after Waco, they started going after all the cults.
They're like, these motherfuckers are arming up.
Like, this is dangerous.
Let's find out.
And also, it's like a lot of people lost their family members.
Jaime Gomez.
That's right.
So he was Michael, Michelle, and then he became Andreas once he came to Texas.
So what happened was they were after him.
And so this dude picks up shop and just moves to Austin.
And just to throw people off, he has his followers build a theater so he could dance in front of them.
They built that.
His followers built that theater.
brian simpson
And see, I have improved for people to get sucked in stuff like that.
But I feel like we know enough now where it's like, if you're unsure if you're in a cult, like as soon as the guy wants to fuck your wife, you should be or your dad.
Right.
Or just anyone.
Like I said.
joe rogan
This guy was fucking everybody.
brian simpson
As soon as the leader needs to fuck your family, yeah, that's a problem.
That's the red flag right there.
If there was no alarm bells before that point, like when they asked you to give up all your stuff, maybe you still had hope.
You know, when they started giving you duties as a servant, maybe you still have help.
But when they need to fuck your family member, I feel like that should set off all the alarms for you.
joe rogan
For me, they wait until you're deep in the cult before they bust that one out.
Like David Koresh, didn't he wait like a long time?
I think they were already on the compound.
He was like, God just told me I have to fuck your wife.
Like, for real, it was one of that.
It was that dumb.
It was like that dumb.
Like, God spoke to him and told him that no one was allowed to have sex but him.
He was no sex with everybody's wife.
brian simpson
Group pressure is very powerful.
joe rogan
Finally, if that's true.
brian simpson
Like, none of us are really above it.
You know, you gotta be careful who groups you around it.
Because that pressure to conform, you know, because I best he's not just like, I gotta fuck your wife, but he's surrounded by people going, do it, do it.
joe rogan
You know, all cheered on towels.
brian simpson
They have that little saying they say, you know, that pressure to praise Jesus.
Yep.
That pressure to please everyone.
Yeah, because there's a certain type of person that gets sucked, roped into those things.
joe rogan
Well, I always wonder about that.
Like, is there a grand pattern to the universe?
Is there a mathematical formulation that we exist in where you have to have a certain amount of gullible people and then a certain amount of devious people that try to trick people and con artists, and then a certain amount of people like you that are like, what the fuck is going on?
Like that, all of this sort of like dances together and balances itself out.
And just like nature has predators and it has wounded antelope that get too close to the water hole.
All these things like kind of have to exist at the same time in order for progress to be made.
It seems like it's just a certain amount of people that are just born gullible and not just gullible, but kind of like wanting to be tricked.
He reportedly annulled marriages of couples and who joined the sect and took multiple women as his spiritual wives, some of whom were very young girls.
Former cult members have alleged that Koresh slept with wives of other members and maintained a harem, sometimes with women who were already married and fathered numerous children with various women.
Koresh also instructed male followers to practice celibacy and surrender their wives to him.
This behavior was part of his doctrine and control over the group's women and children, often accompanied by allegations of sexual abuse and manipulation.
Yeah.
brian simpson
See, the thing is, those guys, they're not influential guys.
Their superpower is their ability to know who.
They can sense who's broken in just the right way and come in and be daddy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
You know, can you imagine a motherfucker telling you to be celibate while he's banging your wife?
joe rogan
Crazy.
Crazy.
And you're living in a compound with him and he's heavily armed.
brian simpson
And you gave him all your worldly possessions.
joe rogan
And he sings and he's terrible.
We have to listen to him sing.
You ever listen to him sing?
brian simpson
Or he dancing on the stage that you built?
joe rogan
Listen, play some David Koresh movies.
He would sing songs.
They were terrible.
brian simpson
He has music.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was terrible.
Yeah, he was a musician.
He was a frustrated musician who became an evangelical.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Give me one.
Anyone?
They're all, I'm sure they all suck.
Let's listen to David Koresh, recorded in Waco, Texas, 1989.
If I was in that cult, I'd be like, I think I want to let him fuck my wife now.
But how about that name?
The name, is that like the name of a woman he was trying to fuck?
unidentified
Shoshanium.
joe rogan
Shoshanium?
I mean, that's a weird name.
brian simpson
What does it say?
joe rogan
Very unusual name.
I've never heard that name in my whole life.
brian simpson
It probably was some girl he was trying to.
joe rogan
Probably has to be.
jamie vernon
That's by biblical.
joe rogan
Oh psalms.
Hebrew lilies mentioned in Psalms 45 and 49.
It is meaning, its meaning in these psalms is uncertain.
Some believe it's kind of lily.
Click on that, what it says?
A kind of lily?
What is that saying?
Lily-shaped straight trumpet.
What?
A six-string trumpet.
A word commencing a song or the melody of which these psalms were to be sung.
Like, they don't even know.
brian simpson
See, it was probably some girl's name.
joe rogan
Yeah, probably a chick.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I saw Lil, and I was like, was that Lilith?
Do you know who Lilith is?
You ever heard of Lilith?
brian simpson
You mean like the demon?
joe rogan
Well, Lilith was like apparently before Eve.
There's like, this is like, you know, again, I don't know who to believe or who not to believe.
And what I don't even know what scriptures show Lilith and what don't.
brian simpson
Everything I know about Lilith is from Diablo lore.
joe rogan
Oh, that's funny.
No, Lilith is like a character in ancient religious texts.
brian simpson
Right.
joe rogan
she's a daughter of who is well we're gonna find out because i'll butcher it i'm I'm very hesitant to say what I think it is because I don't really remember.
brian simpson
She's the daughter of Beelzebub.
joe rogan
Did Wes Huff tell us about this?
No.
You know who told us about this?
Kurt Metzger.
Kurt Metzger was ranting and raving about Lilith.
unidentified
Do you know?
joe rogan
You don't know about Lilith?
jamie vernon
There's a few different ones, but this is the one that he was talking about.
joe rogan
Lilith is not a character in the Bible.
Her name is only mentioned in one verse in the book of Isaiah.
This one here.
Okay.
Origin of the legend.
The story of Lilith as Adam's first wife comes from later Jewish folklore, such as the alphabet of Bensira, which was not included in the canonical Bible.
The legend's core story is, according to its folklore, Lilith was created from the earth at the same time as Adam, making her his equal.
When she refused to be subservient to him, she left the Garden of Eden.
That sounds like the true story.
Some interpretations claim that Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 describe two different creation stories and two different women.
This is considered incorrect and ludicrous by many biblical scholars and theologians.
Evolution of the figure.
Over time, Lilith's story evolved from a simple night demon from Mesopotamian cultures to more complex figure in Jewish tradition.
In modern times, some have reclaimed her as a feminist symbol of independence and equality.
That's funny.
A Lilith Fair.
That's where that Lilith is.
brian simpson
See there.
That picture of Lilith?
That's from Diablo, the video game.
joe rogan
I would play as that character.
Can you play as her in Florida?
brian simpson
No, no, no.
She's the bad guy, but she fucks you up.
joe rogan
That would be a dope character for Quake if you could be Lilith and run around a map fucking people up.
brian simpson
I think you can beat her in a Fortnite or something.
joe rogan
Nice.
brian simpson
I think they buy everybody.
joe rogan
But that's what she looked like?
brian simpson
In the game?
joe rogan
In the game?
Oh, yeah.
brian simpson
And she's hard to beat.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, I've only beat her once, but I haven't played a long time.
brian simpson
But yeah, everything I know about her is from that game, and it sounds like it's all wrong.
joe rogan
But isn't it funny that Shoshananim or whatever the fuck it is?
They don't even know what that was.
Like, it might have been a trumpet.
It might have been a flute.
It might have been a person.
Could have been the song.
It could have been the way you sing.
brian simpson
I bet you like a Hebrew scholar could probably tell you.
joe rogan
Maybe.
It seems like it's up for debate.
unidentified
That's the problem with a lot of really old shit.
joe rogan
It's like they're just guessing.
They're really old shit.
They're just guessing.
Like, what are they trying to say in the book of Ezekiel?
What are they trying to say?
brian simpson
Is it crazy?
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
brian simpson
I haven't read a Bible in like 20 years.
joe rogan
The Ezekiel stuff's bananas, man.
unidentified
There you go.
joe rogan
I asked Perplexity a little more about Shoshanahim was a group or entity related to the Branch Davidian's cult led by David Koresh.
A group or entity related to it.
The name seems to refer to Koresh's followers who identified themselves as students of the seven seals.
Oh, so they were his people.
So he called his people that group.
brian simpson
Alliteration against you every time.
joe rogan
Reflection, reflecting their focus on apocalyptic teachings derived from the Bible's book of Revelation, Koresh positioned himself as a messianic figure, calling himself the Lamb who would open the seven seals, an event that would lead to salvation and the apocalypse.
Followers under Koresh's leadership and ideology were sometimes referred to as Koreshians.
You know what would be crazy?
What really would be crazy is if heaven was real and the murder, like them being murdered, sent them to heaven.
Because those people were murdered.
Did you ever see what the actual footage of when they stormed Waco?
brian simpson
No.
joe rogan
Oh, bro, it's crazy.
They killed those people.
They lit them on fire.
They drove tanks into the buildings and flames are shooting out of the tanks.
They just cooked those people.
Not just Koresh, not just people.
Everybody, men, women, children.
brian simpson
What were they trying to do in the first place?
joe rogan
just have them disarmed well there was a problem with it's there's a lot to the story And it seems like in the beginning, there might have been some governmental overreach.
Like they were trying to get a win and they were trying to like, who described this to us?
Was it Oliver Stone?
Who was telling us?
It might have been Daryl Cooper.
Daryl Cooper has an amazing series all on the Waco.
No, he doesn't.
It's the Epstein files.
He has one on Guyana.
That's what he has on.
Somebody has one on Koresh.
Is it Cooper?
So who has a series on Koresh?
I'm sorry, I'm blanking here, but the point is they wanted to win.
So they wanted to take out this cult, and so they exaggerated what they were doing, and they had a stand down.
So they stood outside of the gates with fucking armored vehicles and cops and men with guns, and they waited them out.
And eventually it escalated.
It escalated to them getting agents on the roof.
Agents on the roof got shot at by the people that were in the cult.
And so then they started shooting at them and it became a gunfight.
And then they brought in tanks and lit it on fire and killed everybody.
It's a crazy story, man.
It is crazy.
It is the whole thing.
I know there's a documentary on it as well that details all the different things that led up to the eventual storming of the compound.
brian simpson
And did that.
Because what year did that happen?
Was that like 80?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was like, I think it was like in either the early 90s, like 90 or 80.
What was it?
jamie vernon
The siege was in 93.
joe rogan
Oh, was it really?
93.
brian simpson
See, I don't remember that.
I remember it.
Like, I vaguely remember hearing about it, but in my mind, it's not like something that happened.
You know?
Because that's the same.
That was right around.
Wasn't that around the OJ murder, too?
joe rogan
Yep.
Yep.
Because that trial was 94.
brian simpson
Okay, yeah.
So I was like, to me, that's a significant cultural event.
And I don't remember the Waco thing being, like, I remember hearing about it afterwards.
I don't remember hearing about it while that was happening.
joe rogan
Oh, I heard about it.
brian simpson
But were people, how did the people react to the government just killing people?
Even though...
joe rogan
Well, they didn't know.
Even though.
There was no internet back then.
It took a while before people really got hip.
There was a few documentaries that were released.
There was some news footage that got released.
And maybe you can get a hold of a VHS tape, some obscure VHS tape that might have had something to do with Waco.
But people really didn't know until they started making documentaries about it, until they saw it on the internet.
Once you can see it, because most people are just going to believe the narrative.
What's the narrative?
People had guns, which they did.
The guy was a piece of shit and a cult leader, which he was.
But, like, how did it lead to mass murder?
How did it lead to them just, well, it led to, they blocked out this guy's house.
They, you know.
And that's not even the worst one.
The worst one is Ruby Ridge.
That one's horrible.
brian simpson
What happened at Ruby Ridge?
joe rogan
Put that into perplexity.
Ruby Ridge.
This one's a crazy story because the Ruby Ridge story is like totally avoidable and horrific.
Like they shot a mother while she was holding her baby.
Like crazy.
This was like a family of like preppers that were like out in the woods.
And maybe the guy was like a little radical, but they completely escalated it.
brian simpson
Was this in Texas too?
joe rogan
Murdered.
No, I don't remember where that was.
Where was that?
Idaho.
Okay.
Incident was an 11-day standoff in August of 1992 in Boundary County, Idaho, involving Randy Weaver, his family, and a friend, Kevin Harris, against U.S. Marshals and FBI agents.
It began when U.S. Marshals sought to arrest Randy Weaver for failing to appear in court on federal firearms charges related to the sale of a modified shotgun.
The situation escalated after Weaver's dog was shot by a marshal during surveillance, leading to a firefight in which Weaver's 14-year-old son, Samuel, was killed by gunfire.
Kevin Harris, a family friend, shot and killed Deputy Marshal William Deegan during the exchange.
FBI hostage rescue team was called in, and during a sniper shot, Randy Weaver was wounded.
The sniper second shot, intended for Harris, also hit and killed Weaver's wife, Vicki, who was holding their infant daughter behind a cabin door.
The siege ended when negotiators, including activist Bo Gritz, convinced Weaver and Harris to surrender.
Harris was arrested on August 30th, and Weaver, with his daughter, surrendered the next day.
Criticism later arose over the FBI's rules of engagement and use of deadly force, particularly the constitutional legality of the sniper second shot that killed Vicki Weaver.
The standoff highlighted tensions between federal law enforcement and citizens, especially among anti-government and white separatist groups.
Weaver and Harris were charged with several offenses, but were acquitted of the most severe charges except Weaver's conviction for failure to appear in court.
Interesting.
They were both acquitted.
brian simpson
Damn.
joe rogan
They got in a firefight with the feds and they were acquitted.
brian simpson
Well, Kevin Harris popped it off.
joe rogan
Look at that statement.
Weaver and Harris were charged with several offenses, but were acquitted of the most severe charges except Weaver's conviction for failure to appear in court.
That's all they got him for.
So nothing.
Failure to appear in court.
They killed his wife.
They shot his kid.
They killed his kid.
They killed his dog.
And it was because he failed to appear in court.
Because he sold a modified gun.
I don't even know what that means.
Was it a sawed-off shotgun, which is illegal?
But did he change the trigger?
What did he do?
brian simpson
Something.
joe rogan
Did he put a large magazine at the bottom of it?
Like, what did he do that was illegal?
That's crazy.
brian simpson
But also, why are they allowed to kill your dog?
joe rogan
Exactly.
brian simpson
Because that's what popped it all off, right?
joe rogan
Oh, you want to hear one of the worst ones of that?
There was a mayor.
I forget what he was the mayor of.
It might have been Washington, D.C., but he was a mayor.
And he had a postman that was doing some sneaky shit.
And the postman was getting weed delivered to his house because they figured if I get it, I'm delivering the mail to the mayor's house.
And if I get the weed delivered to the mayor's house, no one's going to check the mayor's packages for weed.
So I know which one my friend sent to the mayor's house.
I'll just take that.
And that way, you know, I'll have the weed and no one will be any the wiser.
Well, unfortunately, someone was tracking that package and they knew that that weed was going to this particular address.
They didn't know it was the mayor's house.
So they stormed the mayor's house, shoot his fucking golden retriever, chase it out in the yard while it's cowering and shoot it.
You've been around my golden retriever.
Like the golden retrievers are not biting anybody, ever, ever.
They're the worst guard dogs in the history of the world.
Anybody who comes into my house like, hey, you want to give me a treat?
Like, he loves everybody.
And they shot his dogs.
They fucking zip-tied his family, checked the whole house for weed, couldn't find anything.
And then eventually it unraveled and they realized what had happened.
Like the guy who was delivering his mail was also involved in this weed dealer.
And they, you know, they didn't piece it together until after they shot this guy's fucking dogs.
brian simpson
But who's they?
joe rogan
The cops, the SWAT team.
They burst down his door.
They did the whole thing, man.
They came in, guns, armor, fucking zip-tied everybody.
They thought they were breaking into the house of like a drug dealer.
That's how bad their information is.
brian simpson
It sounded like they needed to.
joe rogan
They didn't even find that story.
Because it's a very, it's a crazy story.
And it was so heartbreaking because the family had to, the kids had to see their dog get shot by these cops for fucking no reason.
No reason.
brian simpson
They really got to start letting cops smoke weed.
joe rogan
I think so.
brian simpson
Spear returns.
joe rogan
Mushrooms.
Weed's not strong enough.
But something to get.
Well, also, it's like therapy.
And, you know, also, it's like, hey, know for sure.
Like, really do an investigation.
How about find out who lives there?
Oh, my God.
It's the mayor.
brian simpson
Or like, if you shoot a golden retriever, you should probably have to retire.
joe rogan
So here it is.
Maryland.
So police say Maryland Mayor appears to be innocent victims of a scheme by two men to smuggle millions of dollars worth of marijuana by having it delivered to about a half a dozen unsuspecting recipients.
So he was one of the many people that this guy delivered mail to.
So he got home from work, saw a package addressed to his wife on the front porch, brought it inside, putting it on a table.
Suddenly, police with guns drawn kicked in the door, stormed in, shooting to death the couple's two dogs and seizing the unopened package.
In it were 32 pounds of marijuana, but the drugs evidently didn't belong to the couple.
Police say the couple appeared to be innocent victims of a scheme by two young men to smuggle millions of dollars of marijuana to unsuspecting recipients.
Two men under the arrest include a FedEx delivery man.
Investigators said the delivery man would drop off a package outside of a home and the other man would come by a short time later and pick it up.
Wow.
Isn't that crazy?
brian simpson
But only, hold on.
So only the dogs that died, though?
Our dogs were our children.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Police apparently killed the dogs.
He said for sport, gunning down one of them as it was running away.
Our dogs were our children, said the 37-year-old Calvo.
brian simpson
Two labs.
Two labs.
joe rogan
Oh, they were labs.
Oh, that's, oh, they're black labs.
I thought they were golden retrievers.
I fucked it up.
Our dogs were our children.
Again, labs, same thing.
Labs aren't biting anybody.
They're the sweetest dogs in the world.
Said the 37-year-old Calvo, they were our reason we brought this house because it had a big yard for them to run in.
Unfucking believable.
He was handcuffed in his boxer shorts for about two hours, along with his mother-in-law.
Said the officers didn't believe him.
We told them he was the mayor.
No charges were brought against Calvo or his wife, who came home in the middle of the raid.
Fuck, man.
brian simpson
But they ain't even apologized for killing the dogs.
joe rogan
Killed labs.
brian simpson
Bro, you found out wild shit.
joe rogan
This is so sad.
brian simpson
I just came from Tulsa, Oklahoma.
The Tulsa massacre.
joe rogan
What's the Tulsa massacre?
brian simpson
It was like Black Wall Street.
It was like...
What was this?
This was the 20s, I think, or maybe the 1910s, like in the 1910s.
Where like after the Trails of Tears, well, the civilized tribes, basically, they were told that they could have Oklahoma because the land smelled funny, they air smell funny, whatever.
And then they found oil.
And that set off a whole bunch of shit.
Because now you got a bunch of natives and freed slaves that's about to be rich.
So you see that movie, the Flower Moon movie?
joe rogan
No, I didn't see it.
brian simpson
Oh, but it's kind of like that.
Like they would, because they couldn't sell their land.
Some tribes couldn't sell their land, so you had to marry into the family.
And then if you killed everybody, it was yours.
joe rogan
Really?
brian simpson
Yeah.
And so, but Tulsa was Black Wall Street, but it was like the Greenwood area of Tulsa.
And it was basically like a prosperous, wealthy black community.
And there was a riot one night, and they burned it all down.
joe rogan
And so they did this because of oil?
brian simpson
No, well, that was the backdrop for Oklahoma.
But they did this just because of like racial jealousy, just like they did it because they were doing well.
Yeah, they were doing too well.
And there was a lot of racial tension in the community.
Because the whole idea behind institutional racism is that poor white people don't mind being taken advantage of because they know that it's black people somewhere that's doing worse than them.
But that doesn't work if you're living next to dudes that's dressing better than you.
They got cars.
They got thriving business.
And it got racial.
The National Guard came in.
And that was all stuff I learned before I went there.
But then I went to the museum there.
And I bring this up just because it would blow your mind how recently they, like, they just now acknowledged it like five years ago.
Right?
This all happened because I was at the comedy club I was at.
I mentioned to the owner, I was like, I've stayed in Hilton's all over the place.
Why does my Hilton say, why does it have these pure things everywhere to tell you that the air is clean and the water's clean?
And he was like, oh, yeah, they just started filtering the water that goes to the north side of town like a few years ago, like the black side of town.
I was like, what?
Like, how long?
How recently?
He was like, 20.
And me and my friend was like, 20?
It's like, yeah.
So he was like, have you not been to the museum?
I'm like, no.
And so we went over there and it was like, it was a heavy day.
joe rogan
Bro, this is crazy.
Look at this statistics here.
How many blocks?
35 square blocks of the neighborhood.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
At the time, one of the wealthiest black communities in the United States, colloquially known as Black Wall Street, more than 800 people were admitted to hospitals.
As many as 6,000 black residents of Tulsa were interned, many of them for several days.
The Oklahoma Bureau of Vital Statistics officially recorded 36 dead.
unidentified
Whoa.
brian simpson
Yeah.
And so they just now started, like the guy told me.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Estimates from 36 to up to around 300 dead.
35 blocks.
brian simpson
Yeah, they don't know how many are dead because it was a lot of mass graves and stuff that they just started looking for.
joe rogan
Holy shit, man.
brian simpson
But even still to this day, they're not allowed to teach about it in schools.
They just now started being allowed to teach about it, but they're not allowed to say who was who.
jamie vernon
Even the YouTube video is age restricted.
I was going to show it to you, but the account I'm on.
brian simpson
Yeah, this shit was crazy.
And so, Joe, if you want to feel real uncomfortable, so I'll go in the museum and they have these holograms.
So you sit in the barber chair and you can see yourself in the mirror, but there's a hologram of a barber like cutting your hair.
And there's three of them in a row.
And they're like having a conversation about what's going on around town.
It's heavy, bro.
joe rogan
Wow.
Put that back up.
So the cause of it, they're saying.
So it says the massacre began during Memorial Weekend after a 19-year-old Dick Rowland, a black shoeshiner, was accused of assaulting Sarah Page, a white 21-year-old elevator operator in nearby Drexel building.
He was arrested and rumors that he was to be lynched spread.
The most likely, most widely reported and corroborated inciting incident occurred as the group of black men left when an elderly white man approached O.B. Mann, a black man, and demanded that he hand over his pistol.
Mann refused and the old man attempted to disarm him.
A gunshot went off and then according to the sheriff's reports, all hell broke loose.
The two groups shot at each other until midnight when the group of black men were greatly outnumbered and forced to retreat to Greenwood.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
At the end of the exchange of gunfire, 12 people were dead, 10 white and two black.
Alternatively, another eyewitness account was that the shooting began down the street from the courthouse when black business owners came to the defense of a lone black man being attacked by a group of around six white men.
It is possible the eyewitnesses did not recognize the fact that this incident was occurring as a part of a rolling gunfight that was already underway.
Holy fuck, man.
brian simpson
Yeah, shit went down in Greenwood.
And the thing is, it's still not back.
So then they put a highway right through the middle of that neighborhood.
And it completely destroyed all of the economy and everything.
unidentified
Wow.
brian simpson
Yeah, man.
And I thought I knew about this shit.
But then when I went there, it was real intense for me.
But then we ate some good ass food.
It was me and Lucas McCurry.
And when we got done, when we got back to the hotel, he was like, oh, that's the blackest day I've ever had.
I was like, might be mad, too.
joe rogan
This is the place.
brian simpson
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's called the...
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
brian simpson
It's called the Black Wall Street Museum.
joe rogan
And they just recently admitted this?
brian simpson
They admitted it probably in 2010 or something like that.
They acknowledged it.
I mean, everyone already knew.
But now they're just now getting to the point where they're allowed to teach it.
But they still aren't allowed to say what the people look like.
So they can say group A did this and group B did that, but they can't say black, white.
They can't say Klan.
unidentified
Really?
brian simpson
Yeah, they still won't say certain people's names because these are like the because the Klan is heavily involved too.
Like when you go to the museum, there's like a clan ledger of like the meeting, you know, like a like a roll call.
unidentified
Whoa.
brian simpson
Yeah, it was a wild ass.
It's wild out there in Oklahoma.
And the thing is, they still haven't recovered.
That neighborhood is still not recovered.
I mean, they never will at this point.
joe rogan
The history of Oklahoma is so crazy.
brian simpson
Oklahoma is not.
Well, that's the thing.
So we get done the tour.
We walk out of the tour guide and I walk past this guy.
I didn't know he was one of the guides because we didn't take a guide.
We just walked through the museum ourselves.
And he goes, you look familiar.
And I was like, you probably know me from comedy or whatever.
He was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And he is like the guide.
And then we walked around with him for like an hour.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
brian simpson
And he just, he told us, he was like, yeah, they don't even say everything.
So this is also, he took us to like all these historical spots.
And we ate at this place called Sweet Lisa's, which, bro, you could taste, you could taste the struggle, the season, everything, but the season.
Just perfection.
You know what I mean?
You could just tell this recipe came from the ancestors.
It was incredible.
And it's like in this little shop, they just got indoor seating.
joe rogan
Wow.
brian simpson
Yeah, it was like, it was like, it was, it was almost like, I guess, because in my mind, it's easy to learn about shit like that and think of it as something that happened a long time ago.
But then to be there and realize, like, they still haven't come all the way back.
joe rogan
You see that photo of that lady, that Native American lady at the front door where she's breastfeeding a child?
You've seen it.
brian simpson
Oh, at the mothership?
joe rogan
Yeah, here, here, in this room.
Oh, no.
I went outside.
You never saw it?
brian simpson
No.
joe rogan
You know that one, you've seen the painting of a Native American face that's on bullets.
It's like all the way back.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
You've seen that?
That's Kwana Parker.
That lady, Cynthia Ann Parker, she was kidnapped by Comanches in Oklahoma.
So what they used to do in Oklahoma is, this is so dark.
They would give people these plots of land, knowing they were going to get attacked by the Comanches.
Like, hey, you could go live out here.
And they basically used them as bait.
They started conflict to try to conquer these territories by just having people go out there and get shot at and get killed and get slaughtered.
And then eventually they would have to send the army out.
And then they won.
After a long time, they eventually went through that and went through here or at Texas.
The Comanche ran this place too.
But they killed her whole family and they stole her when she was nine years old and they kept her because they had a hard time having children because they had so many horse riders.
They were riding horses all the time and a lot of women miscarried.
So it's very difficult for them to keep their numbers up.
So when they would go on raiding parties, they would kill everybody except the children and then they incorporate the children into the tribe.
Cynthia Ann Parker was the last of that tribe.
She gave birth to Quana Parker, who's the last chief of that tribe.
She married the chief of the tribe.
She had a baby with him.
That baby, that half-American baby, was Quana Parker.
He was the last chief of the Comanches.
brian simpson
So now there's no more Comanches.
joe rogan
I mean, they still exist, but they don't have a reservation.
Like, you know, like, they don't have territory.
They were nomadic.
And they ran all.
I mean, I'm sure they, is there a Comanche reservation?
We should find that out.
brian simpson
Probably not.
joe rogan
But they don't get represented because they didn't have art.
It's a crazy thing.
brian simpson
Well, the dude was telling me that, like, so there were four tribes considered the civilized tribes.
And those are the people that agreed to stop fighting the United States, to like learn English, to like be Christian, those kind of things.
And they were promised Oklahoma knowing that it was already commanded.
And so they got out there and got the.
joe rogan
Yeah, the United States government did that with everybody.
Bro.
The Comanche Nation is a federal recognized tribe headquartered in Lawton, Oklahoma.
But do they have a reservation there?
There's no longer a Comanche reservation in Texas.
The historical one established in 1854 near Clear Fork of the Brazos River in present-day Thockmorton County.
The Comanche were later forced to relocate to Indian Territory, now known as Oklahoma in 1859 after the reservation was dissolved.
And the current Comanche Nation is based in Oklahoma.
So it seems like they don't have a reservation.
brian simpson
Bro, it's mad history that I'm so ignorant about.
joe rogan
Got to read this book, Empire of the Summer Moon.
Get it on audio.
It's incredible.
brian simpson
Empire of the Summer Moon.
joe rogan
Empire of the Summer Moon.
It's all about the Comanche in Texas and in Oklahoma.
But that's part of the story.
So what I was getting at is the history of Oklahoma is just seeped in violence.
brian simpson
And it's still not fixed.
unidentified
It can't be.
brian simpson
But a lot of people are moving there right now.
joe rogan
Well, I bet.
A lot of people want to move to a place where they don't get fucked with as much.
You know what California is?
brian simpson
What's called it?
joe rogan
Empire of the Summer Moon.
You know what California is proposing?
I don't know if they're going to do this, if they're going to be able to pull this off, but there's a new wealth tax that's basically they're going to tax your savings account.
jamie vernon
I've looked it up.
It's only for 200 billionaires.
brian simpson
What?
jamie vernon
Is what that's for?
joe rogan
What does that mean?
jamie vernon
It's not for like every person.
joe rogan
Okay.
Even if it's for 200 billionaires, that's their fucking money.
If you have a savings account, that means you paid taxes already.
Like that's the only way you get a savings account.
brian simpson
They're taxing billionaires' savings accounts.
joe rogan
This is what I was reading today when people were talking about the proposition, this proposition of a wealth tax for savings accounts.
That sounds, if I'm not reading into this incorrectly, it sounds crazy.
Whatever.
I'm just saying, I understand, but why?
Why do you get to have a one-time tax of money that's already taxed?
California does not currently have a wealth tax, but multiple proposals have been introduced, including a recent one for a one-time 5% tax on individuals with a net worth of over $1 billion.
brian simpson
Yeah, I'm with Jamie on this.
Fuck them.
joe rogan
Yeah, but not fuck them because that could be you someday.
Here's the thing.
It's like it starts with them and then it trickles down to someone who's worth $500,000 or $5 million or whatever.
5% on money that you've already been taxed for.
And then it goes to what, though, when you say fuck them.
All it does is make more bloated government.
Because what are they going to do?
They're going to spend it wisely?
They never spent any money wisely.
brian simpson
The reason I say fuck them is because most of these billionaires, they go out of their way not to pay the taxes they're supposed to pay anyway.
It's not like they're getting tax.
A lot of these motherfuckers don't even pay any taxes.
joe rogan
Oh, that's not true.
They all pay taxes.
Everyone pays taxes.
It's just taxes on what?
Like a lot of them, the way it works is all your money is in assets and you get paid a certain amount by the company.
Like that's how, like, so when someone's worth X amount of money, that's not like how much money they have liquid.
brian simpson
Right, right.
I get it.
joe rogan
You know, that's a lot of it.
But the point is, the government should not be taking your money that's already been taxed.
If I'm reading into this correctly, so if you get a paycheck from the mothership and then, you know, you do your taxes, and then you take that money and you put it in a savings account, you've already paid your taxes.
So if you've already paid your taxes on that money, how can they tax money that you've already taxed?
That's crazy.
I don't agree with you how much money they own.
I don't care how much if there's a loophole in the tax code, fix the loophole.
But if it's there and that's the law and they are able to skirt around that law in whatever way that's legal, you don't get to steal their money.
jamie vernon
According to the Washington Post, this is from a healthcare workers union.
That's a recent proposal, and it will go to fund health care spending.
It still has to be voted on also.
joe rogan
But either way, all you're doing is taking money from people.
And the group believes this could raise about $100 billion.
Right.
And what would they do with it?
What do they do with the fire money?
What happened to all the money that was raised for the Pacific Palisades fire?
Does anybody know?
brian simpson
That's a charity being corrupt.
That wasn't the government.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But this is what I'm saying.
It's the same thing.
It's a group of people.
You're giving them a bunch of money and they're supposed to allocate it in a positive way.
Whether it's the government or whether it's a charity, who fucking trusts anybody that's doing these things to be wise with the money where it makes sense, where you're a billionaire going, you know what?
I like it.
Take my 5% and we're going to fix crime.
No, you're not fixing shit.
You're just going to take my money and you're just going to be more incompetent.
Do you know when Gavin Newsom got into office?
They had a surplus.
California had a surplus.
Really?
Yes.
Why don't you Google that?
What was the surplus of California and during the time where Gavin Newsom was the governor, how much is the deficit?
brian simpson
Because I only hear surplus with regard to Bill Clinton.
joe rogan
Bro, they spent $24 billion on the homeless crisis and it got worse.
So this is what I'm saying.
You're going to take tax money and you're going to do what with it?
In 2022, California Governor Gavin Newsom announced record-breaking budget surplus of approximately $97.5 billion, which was projected to fund new initiatives like cash payments to residents and investments in drought relief, childcare, and education.
However, the state later forced a significant budget deficit.
Excuse me.
However, the state later faced a significant budget deficit, primarily due to overestimating revenues from a booming stock market that later declined, coupled with increased spending commitments during the surplus period.
By 2024, Newsom was proposing a budget to close a multi-billion dollar deficit, which required spending cuts and other measures to balance a budget.
So the surplus of $97.5 billion, it became a multi-billion dollar deficit in two years.
brian simpson
Because of the stock market?
joe rogan
It seems like there's a lot of stuff.
Overestimating revenues, increased spending commitments, which is probably a big part of it.
They probably spent too much money during the surplus period.
But the point is, it's mismanagement.
brian simpson
What if they only tax the people that's on the Epstein list?
joe rogan
Ah, you only get so much.
Just take all their money.
Yeah, if you're on the list, take all your money.
They'd probably only get a few hundred billion dollars.
That's the thing.
It's like, at the end of the day, they're going to blow through that money.
It sounds crazy, but they're going to blow through that money.
They blow through all the money.
brian simpson
But, you know, I mean, you're right.
It's not fair on paper, but it's hard to have empathy for people that have way more than the people.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
It's not having empathy.
I'm just recognizing the law and recognizing where this goes.
The problem with any decision that we make on people that have more money than us, eventually it's going to trickle down to you.
Because if they could just tax these people, because there's only 200 of them, they can't really talk too much shit.
You're like, okay, but why are you doing that?
Look, if they did something illegal to get that money and you're going to punish them for that, I'm all with you.
But if they have the money and then it's in their savings account and then you decide to tax the savings account because you need money to do what?
More incompetent bullshit?
That's the problem.
Like they're not competent.
If you're going to take that 5% and you knew this is going to be what cleans up the Palisades, this is going to be what fixes education.
But it's not.
It's not going to do anything.
The homeless crisis gets worse.
It's bigger than ever.
brian simpson
Well, that's a whole, the homeless thing is a whole racket because I experienced that firsthand.
It's just people making money.
That money isn't going to actually help anybody that's on the streets.
I mean, it kind of is, but not really.
joe rogan
There's so many charities that are dirty.
Just like people that are dirty, like those creepy guys who pretend to be male feminists and you know they're really a piece of shit.
You know what I mean?
Like that's the type of people that set up charities, but they really just want the money.
Like there's people that have run charities where the charity makes the actual thing makes like 6%, 10% of the money generated.
Most of it goes to the people and they have lavish lifestyles.
They get paid tremendous salaries.
brian simpson
They'd ever tell you that to run charities.
The shelter I was living in, the guy that was running the place got he got high and then the executive had to show up and he pulled up in a fucking phantom with a fancy ass suit on and a nice ass watch.
I was like, hold on, how the fuck is he?
Because that's the first time it hit everybody like, oh, this isn't a.
joe rogan
It's a business.
brian simpson
Yeah, it's a business.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a business.
They're generating income, spending the least amount possible, providing you with the least amount of care that they have to, and then pocketing the rest.
And say, we got a high overhead.
Very high overhead.
brian simpson
And as long as somebody dies.
Because that's the thing.
It's all a racket and everyone knows it's like all wink wink.
But the rules actually applied to the actual homeless residents.
But it was all nonsense.
It was like, they were real strict about you.
Make sure you signing these papers saying you were doing these activities because they were getting grants for those things.
joe rogan
Exactly.
brian simpson
But it's like, well, just put my signature on there.
This is all bullshit.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
brian simpson
Yeah, I think most charities are scam.
joe rogan
Most charities have an element of scam.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a lot of legitimate charities out there for sure.
There's a lot of really good charitable people out there for sure.
Real people that are doing charities for the right reasons.
brian simpson
Yeah, well, the workers, a lot of the workers are in there for the right reasons.
unidentified
Yes.
brian simpson
But it's just like it's just like colleges, right?
Where it's like, it's just that the entity has become so bloated with, because I think, can you look it up, Jimmy?
Most of the top universities, most of their money goes towards administration.
So they've just, you know, first they hire people to collect the money, and then they got to hire more people to watch over those people, and then more people get more.
And then before you know it, the whole admin side is so bloated that the college gets upside down if they don't raise tuition.
You know, and it just keeps going, and it's a cycle just keeps going and going and going and going.
joe rogan
They only have donors, which is weird.
brian simpson
I don't understand how that works.
joe rogan
Crazy amounts of money people donate to colleges.
brian simpson
Yeah, that people love their alma mater, but there must be a tax thing, too.
joe rogan
Where does the money from most universities go?
The money from most universities primarily goes towards faculty and staff salaries, student services, and campus maintenance.
Significant portion is also allocated to research, academic programs, and scholarships.
Universities spend on maintaining buildings and facilities, supporting student housing and dining, healthcare, technology upgrades, and activities like sports and events, government funding, tuition, investments, grants, donations, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Eventually, administrative costs and strategic initiatives also consume parts of the budget.
Overall, salaries and wages usually make up the largest expenditure category for universities.
So it's salaries.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
They get a lot of money.
brian simpson
It's salary for the admin people, the fucking coaches.
Some of those coaches.
joe rogan
Well, there's weird gigs that people have where a major university will pay someone like a half a million dollars a year to do stuff.
Like, does Elizabeth Warren get paid from Harvard still?
Like, you could, like, to like speak?
Yeah, like, you know who had one of them gigs?
Biden.
He had one of them gigs where they gave him like a million dollars a year and he pretended he was a professor.
And then, you know, like he said, when I taught law at Penn State or wherever it was, he taught.
brian simpson
It was like professor amazing.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he never taught a class.
Like, it's all horseshit.
brian simpson
Oh, he was never anything.
joe rogan
He got one of those sweet gigs where you get money from the university.
brian simpson
Bro, sign me up.
joe rogan
Those are like mafia jobs.
brian simpson
Yeah, I'll take a bullshit job in my home.
joe rogan
Elizabeth Warren, currently United States Senator, she's on leave from her teaching position at Harvard and no longer receives a salary from the university.
Her current annual salary as a senator is $174,000.
She and her husband, also a Harvard professor, report additional income from book royalties and investments.
Her salary for this 2010 to 2011 was reported at $429,000.
This figure came under scrutiny during her first Senate campaign with critics mischaracterizing it as payment for teaching only one class.
PolitiFact rated this claim half-true because the amount covered a two-year period in which she taught two classes and was on leave to advise the Obama administration and also reflected her status as a high-ranking accomplished professor and researcher.
brian simpson
Stop mischaracterizing this, Jeff Joe.
joe rogan
What is her net worth?
Put that in there.
Net worth.
jamie vernon
That's not going to be accurate.
joe rogan
Let's find out.
brian simpson
Bro, this shit's always wrong.
jamie vernon
That's not a good place to look.
brian simpson
Because I look with the net worth shit, the internet be right.
They said I'm worth $4 million.
I say, where the fuck that money at?
joe rogan
Maybe they just say you should be.
brian simpson
I think people just be making up shit.
joe rogan
Well, they definitely do that.
Yeah.
They definitely make up stuff, especially those websites.
That's like some Indian website.
Some scammer dude is just faking it.
brian simpson
Just trying to get clicks.
Yeah, maybe they said.
joe rogan
It says an estimated, this is in Open Secrets.
brian simpson
Oh, in the Senate.
joe rogan
In the Senate.
So an estimated net worth of $7,977,000 in 2018.
That was in 2018.
She was worth that much.
brian simpson
Isn't there an app where you can match the stock trades of senators?
joe rogan
Yes, the Pelosi tracker.
brian simpson
Oh, it's just her?
joe rogan
She's the best.
brian simpson
Oh, she's the goat.
So if you just make all the same moves she make, you'll be good.
joe rogan
You'll make some money.
Yeah, 100%.
Especially if you act quick.
I'm sure there's a lot of people doing exactly what she does the moment she does it.
brian simpson
I got to get one of those guys and just be like, yeah, put it all on.
joe rogan
If she makes, okay, now she's worth 30 million.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
What's that?
jamie vernon
This is the Pelosi tracker.
joe rogan
Oh.
jamie vernon
There's 14,557 copiers.
joe rogan
I was going to say she's worth way more than 30 million, right?
jamie vernon
She invested that much money.
joe rogan
Isn't she worth like a couple hundred million?
jamie vernon
I think so.
joe rogan
Yeah, she's worth a lot.
brian simpson
She's about to retire.
joe rogan
Of course.
She's got $400 million.
She's a million years old.
Why is she still working?
It's crazy.
Can you imagine working at that age, 82?
brian simpson
I think they're addicted to the power.
Power.
You can't have.
jamie vernon
Let's bring up Margaret Taylor Green's recent stock trades.
joe rogan
Oh, she's been making some stock trades?
jamie vernon
Yeah, follows everybody.
joe rogan
Bro, they all follow everyone.
They all do.
They all do.
brian simpson
I think that should be illegal.
joe rogan
It should be illegal.
brian simpson
I don't think anyone in the federal government should be able to trade stocks.
joe rogan
Well, especially with stuff where you have some inside knowledge about a bill that's going to be passed that would be very, very good for some corporation.
brian simpson
Right.
Or they all have to invest through like, there's like, there's a nonpartisan government agency where they can put all their money they want to invest that invests everyone's money in the same thing.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
brian simpson
No.
joe rogan
Because you start doing that, and then you got more corruption, more room for bureaucracy, more room for bullshit.
You got too much money flowing around.
So they're not going to be easy.
brian simpson
So what do you say to the argument that they should be able to?
joe rogan
No, you're insider trading.
jamie vernon
What if they just tell people to do it for them?
How do you stop that?
brian simpson
Well, that's what they're supposed to be doing now.
jamie vernon
Yeah, I mean, what's the end?
joe rogan
No, that could be a problem.
But at least then they could catch you and you can get in trouble.
That's how insider trading works.
Like, so say if they do that and they do it, you know, through WhatsApp or something like that, and then the government gets access to your WhatsApp and then they find out you've been trading.
jamie vernon
Joe seen an email staying with the lady getting emails during it.
It's like, what?
brian simpson
No, if it was to me, it'd be Judge Dredd shit.
Wait a minute.
You get four terms and then they take you out.
They just put you out in the desert with nothing.
They take all your shit, donate it back to the people, and they just send you out.
You were in charge for, you know, however long?
And now get the fuck out of here.
joe rogan
Like, there's no way you make $170,000 a year, and you're worth, let's say she's worth $180 million.
I've heard it's a lot more than that.
I've heard estimates as high as $400 million.
But there's no way a regular person who makes $170,000 a year ever gets there and keeps that $170,000 a year job.
Get the fuck out of here.
There's not a chance in hell you keep that $170,000 a year job where you're working eight hours a day every fucking day and on the side you've racked up $400 million.
Well, bitch, that's what you're good at.
Imagine if you were doing that all day long while you've been working in the Senate.
You would have even more money.
Are you crazy?
You're wasting all your valuable time and resources doing a job that pays you $170,000 a year, but it has nothing to do with your investments.
Why would you even suspect that it has anything to do with the profit that I make for my investment?
brian simpson
Is she the richest person in Congress?
joe rogan
She's got to be up there.
brian simpson
She can't be.
joe rogan
Well, there's probably some billionaires who signed up and won and got into office somewhere.
There's probably a lot of them.
brian simpson
But they're all, the thing is, they're all richer when they leave.
joe rogan
Well, Bloomberg, wasn't he like a multi-billionaire when he became the mayor of New York City?
brian simpson
I don't know.
joe rogan
I think he was.
Michael Bloomberg is crazy rich.
I think he was a billionaire while he became mayor because he wanted to fix New York City because he loved it.
brian simpson
That's the.
Did it work?
Wow.
joe rogan
That was just there.
It was nice.
jamie vernon
Worth $109 billion estimated.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's worth a lot of money.
Imagine.
jamie vernon
Richest person.
brian simpson
Bro, those sandwiches, those sandwiches you put up?
joe rogan
Ooh, Giovanni's Italian deli, bro.
But you could barely get your mouth on them.
They're like that big.
I want him to come out here.
I want him to open up a deli out here.
brian simpson
Willie, are you talking to him about it?
joe rogan
He said he would be interested in doing it.
I mean, look, he's a fucking hilarious character.
He's a very funny guy.
And his food is fucking sensational.
And all of it gets imported from Italy.
So he can import it from Italy.
All the ingredients?
Yes.
Everything is imported from Italy.
Or the mortadella, the mozzarella, all that stuff.
So he's getting it all from Italy.
All the sun-dried peppers.
Bro, it's sensational.
brian simpson
I mean, it looks good.
I've still never had a chance to try it.
joe rogan
Next time.
Next time I go to New York, you're coming with me.
brian simpson
All right.
joe rogan
Bro, you're going to feel so bad the next day, though.
Oh, my God.
Sunday, I was like, I'm not eating.
I'm not eating anymore.
I looked like I was pregnant.
My stomach was out like that far.
I ate so much.
He gave me a four-foot-long sandwich, dude.
It was four feet long.
I just kept stuffing it in my fat face.
brian simpson
Yeah, I was getting it.
joe rogan
I ate meatballs.
I ate four or five cannolis.
I ate so much.
I should not have gone that deep.
brian simpson
And what, do they cater to the event?
Why do they drop off giant sandwiches?
joe rogan
He just does it for me.
I've blown him up online.
I've blown him up on the podcast.
His deli's killing it.
brian simpson
That's a good guy.
joe rogan
He's a great guy.
And I found them just randomly.
G and R deli in the Bronx.
That's how I found them.
brian simpson
After you left.
joe rogan
What do you mean?
brian simpson
After you left New York.
This is like.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
This is recently.
This is like within a couple of years.
You know, because most of the time I eat really clean.
And most of the time it's just meat.
But when I go off, I like to really go off.
brian simpson
I've seen you literally like eat like a hostage.
Like somebody that just got released.
joe rogan
It's a problem.
I'm a real glutton, man.
I eat massive.
It's not just eating food that I shouldn't be eating.
I'll eat a massive amount of it.
Yeah.
brian simpson
Some good pasta.
It's hard to stop.
joe rogan
I can't stop.
brian simpson
It's hard to stop.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Well, so I ate at this place Teresi with my wife on Friday night.
That was incredible.
It's Italian food.
I ate way too much there.
It was sensational.
And then the next day, Giovanni shows up with these two giant four-foot sandwiches.
But my rule is when I'm in New York, all bets are off.
All that diet shit's out the window.
I'm eating for fun.
I'm just eating for fun when I'm in New York.
brian simpson
My greedy ass.
I ate it Daidouille.
How do you say it?
joe rogan
Oh, Daidou.
brian simpson
At a Daidouille on Sunday, and then I did sushi about scratch last night.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Shout out to Jesse Griffiths.
Jesse's the head chef and the owner of Daidoue.
He's the man.
brian simpson
Brilliant.
I stumbled onto that place, and I thought I was putting you on.
You were like, oh, I know that guy.
joe rogan
Yeah, I found out about that place years ago because he was on my friend Stephen Renella's podcast.
And I was like, oh, that guy is so interesting.
And so I actually had, I don't know if I had him on my podcast before I ate at his restaurant or after.
I don't remember.
But then we went to his restaurant during the pandemic when we first moved here.
And it was like, you had to be spread out.
We actually ate outside the first time we did it because we couldn't eat inside yet.
brian simpson
Bro, and you know, you know what I, because I love, because, you know, it's great restaurants all over Austin.
And I know, I know it's going to be good whenever the staff is generally happy to be there.
Like you go on Daidou, everyone fucking loves it there.
Especially like if you see old people working there.
Yeah, you see somebody that like, you know, that's pushing 50 and they still happy and gingerly, you know, it's going to be good.
joe rogan
Yeah, Daidou is sensational.
brian simpson
And the thing about them is everything is from Texas.
There's nothing in there.
You can't even get like a Diet Coke in there.
They don't have anything that ain't from Texas.
Nothing.
joe rogan
So good, too.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he always has like exotic shit on the menu.
brian simpson
Yeah, the menu is always changing, but you can always get those pork chops.
unidentified
Oh, yes.
joe rogan
Pork chops are sick.
Wild board chops.
Sensational.
Yeah.
Everything's sensational.
Jesse's like one of the best chefs in the country.
brian simpson
I've been there enough times now where I know like anything you order is going to be good.
joe rogan
We are spoiled here, bro.
brian simpson
Yeah, big time.
joe rogan
There's so much good food in Texas, and specifically in Austin.
brian simpson
At the medium to high level.
The fast food is trash.
Seriously, if it's not a Texas fast food place, it's such a phenomenon to me.
joe rogan
Like, what's trash?
brian simpson
Like, everything that's not a Texas place.
Like, Dan's is great.
Whataburger is great.
But, like, but, like, Chick-fil-A is not as good.
McDonald's is not as good.
Chick-fil-A is not as good as Wendy's is terrible.
joe rogan
I had Chick-fil-A, like, a month ago.
It was amazing.
brian simpson
No, it's okay, but it's not up to.
joe rogan
It's different.
brian simpson
The service is not as good.
I mean, Chick-fil-A tastes the same everywhere.
joe rogan
You go inside?
brian simpson
Did you?
joe rogan
You're not going inside or drive-through thing, man.
You want to eat in your car like a pig.
Like a disgusting person who hates himself.
brian simpson
But Chick-fil-A might be somewhat of an exception, but even In-N-Out, even In-N Out here is not as good.
joe rogan
Were you telling me that Chick-fil-A has like aluminum in it?
Were you one of those televisions?
brian simpson
That's probably Kirk Messenger.
jamie vernon
That was Tony, I think.
joe rogan
It was Tony?
Yeah, it was Tony.
Yeah, he was saying Chick-fil-A has aluminum in it or something.
What does it have in it?
What is the controversial ingredient?
jamie vernon
I think it's the buns or something, but it's aluminum.
It's in a lot of stuff.
brian simpson
Aluminum what, though?
It's not just aluminum.
jamie vernon
No, no, no, no, no.
It's not.
joe rogan
It's foil.
They grind up foil, which makes it thicker.
brian simpson
But sometimes certain names sound scary.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
brian simpson
But it's just something normal.
jamie vernon
Right.
joe rogan
Like vitamin C sounds scary.
Acorbic acid.
Oh, no.
jamie vernon
Sodium aluminum phosphate.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Is that a preservative?
jamie vernon
I'll look it up.
joe rogan
Man, fuck preservatives.
That's what's wrong with us.
Everything is preserving your gut biome.
It's all getting in there.
All this bacteria.
brian simpson
Sodium aluminum phosphate, a food additive.
Yeah, I don't think that's bad.
But also, also, I've probably eaten so much of whatever that is.
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You think about food like that, you're just not supposed to eat it every day.
That's all it is.
It's really good if you just want to eat it and enjoy it.
Like, you ever have Keynes, those chicken fingers?
brian simpson
Yeah, yeah, I've heard good.
joe rogan
Yeah, Kane's.
It's pretty good.
Just don't do it every day.
Just every now and again.
brian simpson
But again, even Canes, even Kane's is better in other places.
joe rogan
What?
Are you a Keynes connoisseur?
brian simpson
No, no, but I'm just, I've eaten, I'm fast food.
I've eaten a lot of fast food.
joe rogan
I've heard that In-N-Out here is not as good.
brian simpson
In-N-Out Here is not as good.
Wendy's is not as good.
joe rogan
Does the internet out here have the same...
brian simpson
KFC's bad.
joe rogan
Does it In-N-Out here have the same sort of menu or you can get off-menu stuff?
brian simpson
No, it's the same.
It's the same everything, except the service sucks, and the food is not as, it's just not as consistent.
You know what I mean?
unidentified
Okay.
brian simpson
Like, because I've never, before being, before here, I've never been to it.
Because you know, like, Chick-fil-A and In-N-Out, that's a certain standard.
Especially if you're coming from L.A.
joe rogan
But you said McDonald's, too.
brian simpson
Yeah, the McDonald's here is trash.
jamie vernon
It's a food distribution issue.
joe rogan
Is it?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
This happened once when McDonald's actually bought my favorite pizza place from Ohio.
They couldn't expand it, right?
Because you couldn't get the same ingredients you get in Ohio.
unidentified
Florida.
jamie vernon
So you don't want a quality.
joe rogan
But doesn't McDonald's send all the ingredients to all their places?
jamie vernon
Like that means you don't have one giant McDonald's farm.
joe rogan
You don't?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
No.
jamie vernon
I mean, we wouldn't know where that is, you know?
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Imagine the slaughter going on at the McDonald's farm.
How many fucking cows are losing their life?
jamie vernon
You got a source that you're going to get.
brian simpson
But if I'm going to eat at McDonald's in any city, you can find the good McDonald's.
Like, you just Google the good McDonald's in Detroit, whatever.
But here there aren't any.
They're all terrible.
joe rogan
Interesting.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so it's a food distribution thing?
jamie vernon
I'm pretty sure.
joe rogan
How are they getting bad beef in Texas?
jamie vernon
It's not bad beef, but it's just not the same.
brian simpson
It's not consistent.
jamie vernon
It's not the exact same.
So the processing might not have the same.
brian simpson
Because the thing is, it's not great food.
You eat at McDonald's because you know what you're going to get.
Right.
It tastes just like it does every other time you've had it.
It's not because it's the best, but when it, so when you settle for McDonald's, right, and you, and you just, you know, it's like you have a standard.
Yeah, it's like calling your ex.
You know, it's like you settle for it and it's not as good.
You just like, no, it's like, it's got to taste like I'm expecting.
jamie vernon
Got it.
brian simpson
You know, but it's just, it's just off.
jamie vernon
Have you ever seen some people argue that restaurants are just who can cook the best Cisco food?
They're all getting it from the same kind of distributor.
brian simpson
Well, I think most of them are.
unidentified
Really?
jamie vernon
But that's really dwindling it down to the base of like, that's not really what everything's happening.
brian simpson
Yeah, like, I'm pretty sure if you see like Southwest egg rolls, like, it's probably a 50% chance that that came from a Cisco freezer.
joe rogan
You know, that Mexican place you turned me on to went under.
brian simpson
I know.
joe rogan
That was a bummer.
brian simpson
I can't believe that.
joe rogan
Bolivar, is that what it's called?
No, no, that's how it's called.
Bolivar's place is still over.
brian simpson
I don't even remember what it was called, man, but it was incredible.
joe rogan
It was so good.
brian simpson
Yeah.
Maybe they just moved.
Maybe I need to look them up because I forget the name of it.
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
I think they went under because they spent a lot of money on that place.
Remember the artwork in that place?
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
Well, the location was not because they weren't near any other restaurants.
joe rogan
It wasn't terrible, though.
It wasn't hard to find.
brian simpson
Yeah, but it's still off the path of like anywhere.
Like if you had to go over there, there was no other reason to go over there.
And she lived over there.
joe rogan
But you go over there for a restaurant.
Like, it seemed like they were packed when I was there.
That's what was confusing.
unidentified
They were.
brian simpson
They were, but towards the end, it started being less and less.
joe rogan
That happens, man.
People get excited about a new place, and it's popping at first, and then it just sort of dies off.
brian simpson
Yeah.
But that's the first time I've seen a great restaurant go under that I like.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
And quick.
brian simpson
Yeah.
It was probably a year.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's a fucking tough business, man.
That's a tough business.
brian simpson
Yeah.
And that was started by a guy that knew what he was doing.
joe rogan
That's how tough it is.
brian simpson
Right.
Don't you know the guy?
joe rogan
I met him.
No.
unidentified
Okay.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I met him there.
brian simpson
You know what I wish they would bring here is a bizarre meat.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
brian simpson
I mean, it's probably, he probably would go to like a bigger city than Austin, maybe.
joe rogan
Well, he's got one in Chicago.
He just opened up one in New York.
brian simpson
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, we ate the one in Chicago.
It was great.
brian simpson
Oh, of course.
joe rogan
And the new one in Vegas.
He's got a new one in Vegas.
It moved spots.
brian simpson
Okay, to a different casino?
joe rogan
Yeah, same deal, though.
Oh, sensational.
It's got to be.
Sensational.
Off the charts.
brian simpson
Oh, bro.
And they always look out.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're great.
Yeah.
And Jose Andres came on the podcast, the head chef.
Oh, word.
He was great.
Such a nice guy, man.
That guy genuine, like, you want to talk about real charity?
That guy genuinely goes to like war-torn regions, anywhere there's some sort of a natural disaster, and he brings trucks, and they start cooking, and they feed people for free.
brian simpson
They feed people that level of food, too.
joe rogan
Yes.
His food.
His food.
He loves helping people, like genuinely loves helping people and loves cooking for people.
And he went to Poland and was catching the Ukrainian refugees when they were leaving Ukraine.
These people were starving.
He set up shop, started feeding them.
That's how good a guy that is.
brian simpson
Yeah, and he's a master.
joe rogan
A master chef.
His restaurants are incredible.
He came in here.
He was making food for us while we're doing the podcast.
brian simpson
Wow, like he had a hot panel.
joe rogan
He had a piece of ham.
He's cutting off ham and shit.
Oh, he had like that fancy ass ham.
Yeah, this thin slice.
Remember that?
brian simpson
It comes with like a stand.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
He gave me a whole leg.
I took it home with me.
brian simpson
Yeah, it'll last forever.
joe rogan
Yeah, it lasts forever.
It's cured.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bro, it's so good.
It's so good.
brian simpson
Good food's going to be the downfall of me.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you could have both.
brian simpson
Yeah, you can have both.
joe rogan
You just got to, you got to have, like, you ever see The Rock's cheat meals?
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
On Sundays, The Rock will have these legendary cheat meals.
I don't know if he still does it, but he would post them on Instagram.
It's like a stack of pancakes, giant chocolate chip cookies.
brian simpson
No, but The Rock shrunk down now, like John said.
unidentified
It did.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think he got too big because he did that movie, the uh, the movie about Mark Kerr, the smashing machine.
Oh, by the way, it didn't get the love it deserves.
It's a really good movie.
It's not just an MMA movie, it's a very realistic MMA movie, too.
It's like really, he like The Rock is Mark Kerr.
They even gave him like a forehead thing, like a prosthesis, so he looked more like a Neanderthal like Mark Kerr does.
brian simpson
I thought he was gonna get a nomination for that.
joe rogan
He gained 30 pounds of muscle, wore 22 prosthetics, and trained in MA Camp to physically transform for his role as Mark Kerr.
Look what he looked like.
Scroll up so you can see what he looked like.
Look what he looked like there.
That's Mark.
That's the actual Mark, and that's The Rock next to him.
But that's The Rock, obviously, playing Mark when he was younger.
brian simpson
Oh, is Mark Kerr still alive?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, he did my podcast recently.
Oh, yeah, man, that smashing machine documentary is crazy.
brian simpson
I thought The Rock was going to get a nominated for that.
joe rogan
He should have.
He should have.
He did a fantastic job, but nobody watched it.
It's one of those just slipped under it.
If it comes out to streaming, I can't recommend it enough.
It's a really good movie, and it's not just an MMA movie.
It's like there's moments in that movie where you get anxiety.
Like, oh my God, don't do that.
Jesus Christ, what are you doing?
It's one of those movies.
It's crazy, but he does a phenomenal job.
Phenomenal.
jamie vernon
He hasn't not been nominated yet.
They haven't come out yet.
brian simpson
Oh.
joe rogan
Oh, well, he should be for that.
I don't think he will get, you know, it's hard.
The Academy and a martial arts movie.
And it's like, you know, it's for meatheads.
brian simpson
Jamie, I'm surprised you ain't got no sponsorships with a search app.
jamie vernon
What do you mean?
brian simpson
What do you mean?
You're literally known for looking shit up.
jamie vernon
Well, they should call me.
joe rogan
Holla at your boy.
Let's wrap this bitch up.
brian simpson
Let's get it.
joe rogan
So tell everybody, name your special, where they can get it.
brian simpson
Special is Live from Mothership.
You can see it right now streaming on Netflix.
You can also watch the Don't Tell thing just came out, and you can come see me on tour, BrianSimpsonComedy.com.
And my podcast, BS with Brian Simpson, also on YouTube and all the other streaming platforms.
joe rogan
And I will see you in a few hours.
We're going to have some fun.
Tonight, let's go.
jamie vernon
All right.
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