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Joe Rogan Experience #2410 - Jeff Dye

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jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to get to that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's the key.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		But they tricking me, Joe.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		They're painting me in with the algorithm.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		These motherfuckers, they get me too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They get me in the morning.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I was just talking about it with Jamie.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Are we rolling?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I was just talking about with him is like I'm so good at like not caring what people think, sort of.
		And then I find, no, I really care a lot.
		Like I'm like in a constant tug of war of that.
		Because I used to have Google alerts on.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, for your name?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		And then I had to get rid of that.
		Oh, how dare you?
		Then I was like, I'm going to check the YouTube comments.
		So that was a ring that I had to close.
		I'm slowly closing the rings.
		The ring I'm stuck in right now is checking what like my comedy peers are up to.
		You know, that kind of stuff.
		The one that they make videos.
		The videos they make of like, oh, so-and-so is, you know, having a breakdown or Mark Maron said this, or those kind of like those rings, you know?
unidentified		Oh, no, no.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		But I need to close that.
		I want to get, I want to have no, none of it.
		I don't want to check any comments or anything.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm much better at this stuff than I ever have been in the past of avoiding most things that are annoying.
		But every now and then one will sneak in.
		And then I'm like, why did I let that sneak in?
		I texted that bother me.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I texted you.
		Yeah, I was going, hey, check this out.
		He goes, don't send me shit like this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The Ronda Rousey one didn't really bother me.
		Okay, good.
		I mean, I know what that is.
		You know, like, she's a fucking pit bull, man.
		That's the type of human.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, brother.
unidentified		You're welcome.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Do you mind if I tell you my opinion of Ronda Rousey and you tell me if I'm right or not?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're good.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Because you know what you're talking about.
		And I am not a UFC.
		Like, I like UFC, but I don't, you know, you know these things.
		So I've always said, like, Ronda Rousey was a badass and was awesome at fighting when there was like 30 girls doing it professionally at her level.
		Right?
		That's why I said I might be wrong.
		But then there was probably all these girls who could really fight all over the world, like in Japan and other countries, and even maybe even in America that just weren't in UFC.
		They're like, I could probably beat this chick.
		And now that there's so many women competing on this level, like Ronda Rousey probably isn't in her prime as badass as like the field.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's very difficult to, when someone's a pioneer, she's a legitimate pioneer.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's very difficult to compare them to the people that have had a chance to study the pioneers and then advance the sport.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So what she was is, here you go.
		She's a legend.
		I mean, I got nothing but love and respect for that lady.
		What she did was so impressive.
		She was the first legitimate female superstar.
		She made the UFC female division possible.
		If it wasn't for her, Dana was very open about never having female UFC fighters.
		It took someone that was that dynamic, that was that special, to open his eyes and go, you know what?
		I think this lady's a star.
		And to be the type, like, when she said, like, I wasn't an expert, everyone's entitled to their opinion, you know, but you got to understand why she thinks like that.
		Because she's a fucking, she has a champion mentality.
		You never fought, you ain't shit.
		You know, it's like, it's real simple.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		The football game.
		You don't do that.
		You didn't play?
		You're like, yeah, but I studied the sport.
unidentified		Doesn't matter.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You ain't shit.
		I get it.
		It's totally fine.
		You can't judge her, like, compare her to like Zhang Wei-Li.
		Because like Zhang Wei Li, who was the 115-pound champion, she had a chance to watch all these other people learn what they're doing right, what they're doing wrong, what's effective, what's not effective.
		What Rhonda had is world-class judo, world-class, bronze medalist in the Olympics, one of the best arm bars, period, in the sport, in the history of the sport.
		Her fucking arm bar, the technique was flawless.
		There's a fight with her and Katzangano.
		Katzangano launches at her, just fucking charged.
		Katzangano was an animal, charges at her.
		Ronda catches her in an arm bar in like 13 seconds.
		I don't remember the exact time.
		It was nuts, but it was perfect, perfect technique.
		You know, you couldn't fuck with that.
		But then she fought Holly home.
		And when she fought Holly home, she was dealing with an elite boxer, an elite kickboxer, and a very physically strong woman who had an awesome game plan and who had a chance to study Ronda.
		And maybe more importantly, came from a great camp.
		And that camp, Jackson Wigglejohn camp, one of the best camps in the world.
		John Jones came out of that camp.
		Holly, Donald Cerroni originally came out of that camp.
		A lot of great fighters came out of there.
		So they were really good at game planning.
		So they knew how Ronda likes to clinch.
		They knew how Ronda likes to set up her takedowns and they knew what to avoid.
		And then on top of that, Holly is just an elite striker.
		So every time Rhonda tried to close the distance, the striking that she was very effective with against guys like Bech Kohea, these fighters that were a lower tier, it's not going to be as effective with someone like Holly.
		And Holly started catching her on the feet and had her rocked and then landed that famous high kick and put her out.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Well, I thought they were like the same age and same era.
		Like Holly's after.
		She was able to learn from.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't say they are the same era.
		But Holly, you know, she had wins and losses.
		She lost to Valentina Shevchenko.
		She lost to some other fighters.
		But it was stylistically, it was a great matchup for her because she's an elite striker.
		She's really good at counter-striking, striking.
		She's really good at movement.
		And when Rhonda has to close that distance, every fight starts in the feet.
		And when you're with a very physically strong woman, it's got good takedown defense and is good at like catching you as you're charging in.
		That was the problem in that fight.
		Also, the problem in that fight, I think, for Rhonda is when you start becoming really famous, then the hyenas show up.
		And they start offering you this and offering you that and distracting you with this and distracting you with that.
		And now you're going to meetings and you're talking to agents and you're setting up movies and you're doing this and you're doing that.
		And all those things take away from the most important thing, which is your fighting.
		Even if they don't take away from the amount of training you do, they take away from your focus.
		They just, they rob you of the bandwidth.
		You know, I always tell comics this when it comes to like dealing with haters and things online that you shouldn't read.
		You only have, like, think of your mind as having a number of units of attention.
		Think you have 100 units of focus.
		Anything that eats into those units, anything that bothers you, that annoys you, that's useless, that doesn't help you, that's stealing from your 100.
		You know, so now you only have 80 units or 70 units of focus because 30 of it is concentrated on bullshit.
		It'll rob you of what makes you great.
		So there was two factors.
		There was the skill of Holly, the fact that she had all this opportunity to study Rhonda and with a great team and devise a game plan.
		And then there's also the stealing of focus.
		You know, Rhonda, I was one of the biggest champions of her as a fighter, as a like a legitimate pioneer and a star.
		It was first, it was Gina Carano and Chris Cyborg to a certain extent, but Cyborg had an asterisk everybody knew she was Reuted up.
		And then it was Ronda.
		But Rhonda eclipsed all of them.
		She's bigger than all of them.
		I was a huge supporter and still am.
		But when you watch a fight and you're watching you get your ass kicked and the other person is talking about how great the other person is doing and how bad you're doing, that doesn't sit well with a lot of people, especially like someone who's got that kind of champion mentality, that fucking pit bull mentality.
		Like, I thought you were with me.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Fuck you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then it was after the fight.
		I was very public about saying, I don't think she should fight for a long time.
		They were talking about doing an immediate rematch.
		And I was like, that's crazy.
		Like, they were talking about doing a rematch in four months or something like that.
		I was like, when you get headkicked into the shadow realm, you're supposed to take a long time off.
		When Manny Pacquiao got knocked out by Juan Manuel Marquez, it was a fucking picture-perfect right-hand who knocked it that knocked Manny Pacquiao out.
		His coach, Freddie Roach, said, You can't fight for a year.
		I don't want you doing anything for a year, for one year, because you got to heal up from something like that.
		It's bad.
		When you get knocked unconscious, it's not just that you'll be a touch gun shy, which is possible, but also that you're more vulnerable to getting hit.
		And then you could ruin your chin forever.
		Like if you get knocked out, there's certain fighters that used to have iron chins, like Chuck Liddell is one of the greatest examples of that.
		He had an iron chin.
		You could hit that dude with a fucking sledgehammer and he would just keep swinging at you.
		And then eventually it got to the point where he would get clipped and he would just go out.
		And it wasn't him.
		It was his brain was broken.
		It was too many times, too many shots, too many knockouts, too many impacts.
		You got to preserve that.
		You got to be very careful with that.
		You got to take a long time off.
		And then there was the Amanda Nunes fight.
		So the Amanda Nunes fight, I was also very vocal that everybody was putting all of the attention in the promotion on Ronda making this huge comeback.
		And if you watch the promos for that fight, I thought they were crazy disrespectful because the promos, and obviously, look, Ronda was a fucking huge star, a much bigger star than Amanda Nunes.
		And that loss was a shocking upset to a lot of people that didn't understand martial arts and didn't think that Holly had a chance.
		Didn't think anybody had a chance.
		She's going to beat everybody forever.
		But all of the promo was Ronda coming back.
		All of it was like, she's coming back to take what's hers.
		It was Ronda in a mansion looking out.
		It was like the worst promo set.
		Like Rhonda in a mansion, looking out the window, saying, I'm going to go get my title.
		I don't know who made that.
		I don't know what it was, but I remember being backstage the day of the fight.
		And there was all these agents mulling around, all these Hollywood twats.
		And this guy was like, I forget his exact words.
		They were talking.
		He didn't know who Ronda was fighting.
		And he said, I don't know what her name is, but whoever it is, it's her funeral.
		That's what he said.
		And I was like, oh my God.
		Like, these are the people.
		Meanwhile, Amanda Nunes was the scariest person at 135.
		And that's what I had said before she fought Holly Holm.
		I mean, like Dana and I talked about, I said, I think Amanda's the scariest title challenger because she can flatline chicks with one punch.
		She's very different than all the other ones.
		She wound up flatlining Chris Cyborg.
		It was a crazy fight.
		She beats the fuck out of everybody.
		She hits so hard, like way harder than most women.
		And I was like, that's a dangerous fucking opponent.
		And they're making it seem like this is all about the Ronda comeback when Amanda was the champion.
		So Holly had beaten Ronda.
		Misha Tate had beaten Holly.
		And then Amanda had beaten Misha Tate.
		So Amanda was the fucking champion.
		But all the promotion was all about Ronda.
		And then they were trying to do, like, pro wrestling.
unidentified		Like...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what they were doing.
unidentified		She'll come back.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think, you know, they were just selling the fight.
		They were selling it.
		And the best way to sell it is, I guess, that way.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Who's more famous?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's disrespectful to the champion, especially a fucking dangerous champion.
		And if the champion wins, which I thought she was going to win, it sets up, it's not good to set her up.
		Like, you should set her up.
		Like, how fucking dangerous she is.
		Now you got a bigger star.
		Obviously, she wound up being a bigger star.
		And Amanda's the greatest of all time, like widely considered to be the greatest mixed martial arts female fighter in history because she fucks everybody up.
		She's just so dangerous.
		So, and then that fight happens, and then that lady takes Rhonda out in the first round, just beats the piss out of her, just stops her standing.
		It was brutal.
		You know, I never had a bad thing to say about Rhonda.
		I still don't.
		I understand her mentality.
		I mean, she's a champion-minded person.
		Like, she's like, you're fucking with me or against me.
		It's me against the world.
		You know, she doesn't have a chip on her shoulder.
		She's got a forest.
		She's got a whole forest on her shoulder.
		You know what I mean?
		But that's why she was so good.
		And we're lucky she's a woman.
		If that lady was a man, she'd be Genghis Khan.
unidentified		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She'd fucking take over the world.
unidentified		She's an animal.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's scary.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So that's why she has that opinion.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's just how she thinks about things.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I was mad at her just as an everyday man because my nieces love any woman that's famous for any reason, you know?
		And my nieces also aren't experts about UFC.
		They're little girls.
		And they just think it's cool that a woman's a badass.
		They like that kind of stuff.
		And so then when she lost to like, you know, be on TikTok, I mean, actually, people made TikToks of it.
		It's not like Ronda Rousey was on TikTok, but like she was like on L and being like, I just wanted to quit.
		And I saw my man and I just realized I want to have babies.
		And I was like, this is not really the message.
		You know, if you lose to just go be a pro wrestler or have babies.
		Like, that's not like, I don't know.
		I felt like it was a strange way for a champion to talk.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but that's her legitimately as a human being.
		That's what she wanted.
		And there comes a time.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's good.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		No, that would be a fine way to frame it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, she was being honest.
		She wanted to have babies.
		She didn't want to do it anymore.
		And there comes a time where, look, every fighter can only redline for so long.
		And the reality of fighting is you're redlining.
		Lord Dravidian.
		You know what a redline when the engine, you know, when your tachometer reaches like 8,000 RPMs, like, bam!
		Right.
		You can only do that for so long or your engine blows.
		But to be in peak physical condition, to be able to fight in a championship fight, you essentially have to redline your body through camp.
		You have to get your body to a place where it's at a rate.
		You can't maintain fight shape.
		It's not possible.
		You get to a certain part, you peak, and then the last week you kind of drop off so that you can recover.
		And so that Saturday night, when Saturday night rolls up and the lights go on in Madison Square Garden, you are as fucking ready as a human being can get.
		But you can't maintain that and you can't do that forever.
		And they think that there's a theory amongst mixed martial arts commentators and experts and what have you that it's about nine years.
		Nine years is all it's possible to compete at a peak level.
		And then you get a drop off.
		Some people have more longevity than others.
		It varies.
		Some people, it's a much shorter reign.
		And you got to kind of look at who they were when they were at the top.
		You can only look at them when they're at that peak.
		Like guys like Anderson Silva, he gets kind of dismissed because later in his life, the performances weren't the same.
		They weren't elite performances.
		But I say that's just human.
		You got to look at him when he was the champion.
		He was one of the most elite guys that's ever competed in a sport, period.
		He's one of the greatest of all time.
		But you can only, you got to look at when he was in his prime.
unidentified		Sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, and there's only a certain amount of time you can do that.
		And then when a fighter doesn't want to do that and only that anymore, you got to get out.
		You got to get out because there's some fucking 20-year-old Mike Tyson out there.
		There's some animal.
		There's some dude that lives, breathes, sleeps fighting.
		And all they want to do is land shots and take you out.
		They just, that's their whole focus in life.
		They don't give a fuck about relationships.
		They don't give a fuck about where they live.
		They don't give a fuck about anything, just winning.
		And that's how you become a world champion.
		That's how you become elite.
		But you can only maintain it for so long.
		It's not a normal way for a human being to exist.
		It's a very strange way to live.
		And for her, it's natural.
		Like, she's a woman.
		She's like, I don't have babies.
		I have this great man.
		And she's married to Travis Brown, who's also a beast, who is an elite UFC heavyweight, top 10 heavyweight.
		You know, she's like, I'm done.
		I'm going to make some warrior kids.
		I get it.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I saw it.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I was like, what the hell does that mean?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She just didn't beat up equipment.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Now my niece is rooting for Holly Holm.
		Good lady.
		Holly Holmes' nice.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She is nice.
unidentified		Yeah.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's what we like.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		We like the winners who are nice.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I get it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But there's something about Rhonda being Rhonda that made the sport what it is.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		But I roots for Luke Skywalker, not Darth Vader.
unidentified		She's not Darth Vader.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Sure, Darth Vader's cooler, and he's probably more strong.
		He's got the thing, you know.
		But, you know, Luke's the good guy, and I like the good guy.
		I root for the good guy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She's not a bad guy.
		She's, you know, like, look, her mother was a badass.
		Her mother was an elite judo competitor.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I hate disagreeing with you, Joe.
		But she went to wrestling, Rhonda.
		And then she said all these terrible things about the wrestlers.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She said terrible things about you, she didn't say anything terrible about me.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		She said you're not an expert.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's all she said.
		That's not terrible.
		That's just an opinion.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It seems mean to me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
		That's all.
		Look, if I was a pussy, it would be mean.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm a pussy.
unidentified		I defend it.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's what I'm doing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		If I was we do, dude.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's my whole idea.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I, uh, you know, she's kind of a grumpy, gnarly warrior, and warriors can be a little prickly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She's definitely prickly.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's all.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But that's why she was awesome.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's what made her great.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It was great.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's what made her great.
		She broke that door wide open, and all the women that came afterwards follow.
		And it's hard for women to become famous in MMA because it's hard for them to have the kind of spectacular results that men have.
		They generally don't have as much power.
		And unless they're like elite a judo or something like that, like she was, where they get arm bars and finish people quickly.
		But that's what everybody likes.
		Everybody likes dominance.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And I want them to be hot.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That helps.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's a good one.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		But it's hard to mix those worlds.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you get Nisha, Warrior.
		Her, Holly.
		There's only a few of them that were really hot and elite.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		In the old days, they weren't looking at the battle lines and they're going, oh, I wish these Warriors had more tits.
		Like, that's what I'm like a very conflicted person.
		I want him to be badass, but also hot.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And crazy.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		To get both of them.
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jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Especially while they're fighting.
		You know, it's like, you don't really want that in your life.
		It's like, no way.
		You know what it's like?
		It's like a muscle car.
		Like, muscle cars are great to drive, but you don't want to take them on a road trip.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Dude, Shabby took me to.
		So I have a great Lakers hookup, right?
		I go to all the Lakers games.
		And I invited Brandon Schaub when we first became friends.
		I said, you want to come to the Lakers game with me?
		You like it.
		We sit.
		We have great seats.
		You will meet the owner.
		It'll be great.
		So that's my only kind of flex, you know, that can bring people to these kind of things.
		I don't have a lot to offer, but I can offer that.
		So he's like, yeah, I'll pick you up.
		And he comes to my house.
		Brandon Schaub comes to my house like in a race car.
		I mean, this thing is, it's got the big spoiler on the back.
		Also, we're both big guys.
		I'm 6'4.
		He's, I don't know how tall he is, but he's taller than me.
		And we're in this tiny thing in traffic on the 101 going to a Lakers game.
		And we can barely talk.
		We're both talkers, you know?
unidentified		And it's like, the whole time.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And I was just sitting, like, I went halfway through the drive.
		Even though we were like new friends at the time, I'm like, what made you pick this car?
		You have other cars.
		And he goes, well, you're like a little kid, and my son loves this car.
		So I decided I picked it because of you.
		You're like a little kid.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's hilarious.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And he was right.
		Because when he pulled up, I was like, oh, this is awesome.
		But then I got in and I was like, bro, we're not built for this thing.
		It's dying.
		But that's not like your analogy.
		Like, that's not a day-to-day.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, that's not a road trip car.
		You want to be in a Cadillac.
		You know, it'd be something that's quiet and real smooth and handles bumps well.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like a person.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Someone.
		You want a one-night stand?
		You want a muscle car.
		You want a long-term relationship?
		Get a Lexus.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And if you go to Lakers game, bring a goddamn SUV or something.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Bring something to him.
unidentified		It's not real.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		We're in the traffic.
unidentified		Bring something quiet with good air conditioning.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		His heart was in the right place.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And he was completely right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What car was it?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what it is.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It was like, I wouldn't even be able to guess.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, you're not into cars?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I love cars, but I like the cars I like.
		I've always loved big, stupid things.
		Like big military vehicles.
		Have you seen his Hummer?
		Yeah, I love all that stuff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's got a real Hummer with a crazy diesel turbocharged engine.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Last time I was here and I did his podcast, he had this huge Bronco that he was like doing something where he's selling it, like enough people buy tickets for it or something like that.
		Oh, yeah.
		And that truck was a beautiful truck.
		And I like, like, that's what I like, is like big, stupid tires.
		Anything in Mad Max, I loved.
		Anything the military drives.
		I was like, can I buy that?
		They're like, no, this is not built for that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You can buy a lot of things.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you got to go to those auctions and shit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you just got to know people.
		You get a lot of things these days.
		I would love that.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I've never owned anything that fits in my garage.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No?
unidentified		No.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I have to park on the street all the time.
		I had to get rid of my last Jeep because I put like 46-inch tires on it and I lifted it up.
		And like, it has no doors and no top.
		And so it's just parked in Sherman Oaks on the street.
		And I'm on the road so much.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And it's just sitting there.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Just sitting there.
		So I come back.
		There'd be, you know, just like someone would walk by with like a soda and just throw it in there.
		You know, because, you know, they don't care.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And they get mad at you.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What do you have to do?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		What a douche.
unidentified		Yeah.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And where I am, it's not popular to have cool big shit like that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Sherman Oaks, it's popular to have a Prius with a coexist bumper sticker.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It's so annoying.
		I have a cyber truck, and you can't really lift it, but since it has an air suspension, you can buy pins that make the air suspension one inch larger than whatever it's adjusting to.
		Because if you put a lift on it, it's going to screw it all up.
		So anyways, long story short, I have a lifted cyber truck with big, stupid tires on it.
		And I drive into the comedy store parking lot and I'm like, this really isn't helping my reputation.
		Every time I roll in, everyone's like, what is that?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It used to be that if you had a Tesla, you were signaling that you were a left-wing person.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		100%.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, you're environmentally conscious, worried about carban.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That was one of the more crazy shifts.
		And we could come up with a thousand of these, but like EVs used to be considered like this great thing you're doing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, they still are.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Unless it's a cyber truck.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Unless it's a Tesla.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I get every day.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Really?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		In my cybertruck.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, every day.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's a video of this lady in New Jersey.
		She gets out of a cybertruck, just gets out.
		She was a passenger.
		And this lady who's walking her dog goes, how's it feel to be racist?
		And she's like, she's like, what are you talking about?
		She got a ride.
		She wasn't even driving.
		Someone dropped her off.
		She's like, what are you talking about?
		Yeah, you're racist.
		You're in a cybertruck.
		You're racist.
		And she's like, what the fuck is wrong with you?
		You're crazy.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It blows my mind.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, people are always looking for every possible opportunity to be a shithead.
		And if they can be a shithead, if they're justified in being a shithead because they disagree with you, they would be the meanest motherfuckers just to be a shithead.
		And that activity happens primarily on the left.
		Primarily.
		Like, you don't see that from the right.
		Like, if someone pulls up in a Prius with a coexist bumper sticker, you don't see a bunch of guys going, hey, you fucking pussy.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What are you, you supporting fucking Iraq?
unidentified		What are you fucking?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Get out of our town.
unidentified		You're supporting ISIS with your fucking bullshit fucking bumper sticker on your shit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Your back-to-back car.
		How's it feel to be an ISIS supporter?
		You don't get that.
unidentified		Ever.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But you get that from the left.
		And I don't, I think it's the Trump thing.
		I think Trump was such a figure, is such a figure of like an attack vector that they look at him like, eh.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It's fun for them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's fun.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They have an energy.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It occupies their brain at all times.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They have an enemy.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like Jimmy Kimmel's wife was doing some podcast recently, Jimmy and the wife.
		And the wife was saying that she has a hard time talking to her relatives because they voted for Trump.
		She says, like, if you vote for Trump, you're voting against my voice to them.
		Yeah, you're voting against my husband and my family.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Like, what are you talking about?
		Well, I think that that's the big psyop.
		They've made everything racial.
		Everything is racial.
		And so the last thing you want to be called is a racist, right?
		So when you make it as simple as race, like just racial, like just that blanketly simple, then anything another color does, you'd be considered.
		So you go, oh, I don't really believe, or I think Muslims are blank, whatever that sentence is.
		And you go, racist.
		And you go, well, well, there's surely some things we could criticize about maybe North Korea.
		They go, oh, you're racist.
		So it's like, it's because it's so simple and it's so vague.
		And people love to keep vague things because then they can make their, I saw a comedian.
		I won't say her name because I can't pronounce it.
		But it's, that's why I won't say it.
		Not because I'm holding back names.
		Mary Lynn Reischkeb or Reiskib or whatever her name is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know Mary Lynn.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, she used to be really nice to me.
unidentified		She used to be?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, she got caught talking shit about me and I DM'd her immediately.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And then she's like, and, you know, I think she's a nice person.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She's a very nice person.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, she's nice.
		And people get caught up in that shit.
		I saw her do a bit the other night in the lab where she was like, I'm texting with this guy and he said, she said, how are you?
		And he said, oh, I'm just really sad today about Charlie, about Charlie Kirk.
		And then she goes, and my hand was like, my phone was on fire.
unidentified		I was like, oh, like, what?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And then the crowd laughed to her defense.
		Like the lab at the improv thought this was a hilarious premise.
		And then she said, she was like, what part of his ideas did you find so gripping?
		Was it his racist?
		She just started launching into like about how like the fact that a guy she liked would be sad about Charlie Kirk's assassination was the biggest turn off to her that she wrote like a whole bit about it.
		And I was just in my mind, I was like, I can't believe that this is her take.
		I can't believe it's a take that the crowd is on board with.
		And I can't believe I'm in this town anymore.
		Like it was like a moment for me where I was like, what?
		Am I insane?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Like that's what makes me, those are the moments where you go, I think I'm the crazy person.
		There's a room full of people here who agree that Charlie Kirk must have been this terrible thing and hence deserves being publicly assassinated.
		And if you feel sad about it, you're gross to her.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And she wants to throw her phone away.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And she wants to go, and that's hilarious to everyone.
		Wow.
		Because the simple vagueness of race.
		You know, it's like this constant obsession with, you know, you have to agree with a socialist mayor in New York or you must be a racist or Islam.
		They've just made it so vague that it's very easy to always label or put things in a thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's certainly cult-like thinking involved in both the right and the left.
		It's a real problem with people that identify with any political ideology, whether they identify as being a conservative or identify as being a liberal.
		It's a real problem because then you lose all your objective thinking and you have to agree with everything that this side supports.
		And generally, that's never a good thing to just agree with like a swath of predetermined ideas.
		Yeah.
		And one is that public assassinations are okay and that they're not sad.
		They're sad no matter who it is.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And I would say, even if Charlie Kirk was a terrible person, even if he was, which he was not, I knew him.
		And he was not.
		But even if he was, let's say they're right about all those things.
		You're happy that he got shot?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, the correct way to handle someone who has bad ideas is to confront them with better ideas.
		It's not a 30-odd six round to the neck publicly where people are cheering.
		That's crazy.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And they kept it vague.
		They keep it vague.
		That's how it always works.
		It's like, well, I go, well, why are you posting on social media that you're happy about it or that you're not sad about it?
		Just tell me simply why you think that.
		And they go, well, because his ideas were dangerous.
		Super vague.
		Didn't say the ideas.
		Didn't say how they're dangerous or why they're dangerous.
		It's always vague.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's also a problem with clips.
		When you take sound bites, like very short clips out of context of what someone's saying, and then you highlight that one particular sentence and the way they said that sentence, you could frame someone in a very different way than who they really are.
		And I think there was some problems with some of the things that Charlie said, the way he said them, and in the fact that you could take it as a clip.
		And one of them was the idea of DEI pilots.
		Like the idea of any lowering of standards of anyone in a really important job, like a pilot, because a person is blank, fill in the blank, because they're a lesbian or because they're gay or because they're white or because they're Chinese or because they're black or whatever it is.
		If you're lowering standards because you want more people of one thing, well, you've just made the skies a little more dangerous.
		You made a very dangerous thing, which is flying, a little more dangerous.
		So his statement was because they're doing this and they're trying to get, they're using DEI to hire people.
		And when I get on a plane and I see a black pilot, I hope that they're qualified.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Or he wonders.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		He said, I don't want, I hate that when I see a black pilot, my mind thinks, I wonder if they were part of a DEI hiring.
unidentified		Correct.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's, it's a problem in the way he said it.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Instead of saying that that way, because one of the things that I pointed out is that what DEI, especially in regards to education, the people that discriminate the most against, like people say it's a white supremacist idea to be against DEI.
		The people that DEI discriminates the most against in education is Asians because Asians fucking kill it in universities.
		They kill it.
		So much so that there was a giant lawsuit at Harvard because they were making their admission standards more difficult for Asian people than they were for white people, for black people, for everybody else.
		They made Asians more difficult because if they didn't, half of their fucking population in their classes would be Asian because they work harder.
		It's a cultural thing.
		You know, I grew up in Taekwondo and I grew up around a lot of Koreans.
		And man, you haven't seen work ethic until you've seen first-generation Koreans who come over to America and, you know, they have those tiger moms and tiger dads.
		That's a real thing.
unidentified		That's good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That is a fucking, I guess.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, for these sort of subjects.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's good for getting trauma.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It's not great for their heads.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But if we're talking about the workforce or symphony, if it's just a meritocracy, if it's just a meritocracy, it's like who is the best student?
		Who is the best this?
		Who's the best that?
		Yeah, it's good for that.
		You know, but it's like, it's the same thing.
		It was like trying to be a champion.
		Like, you can only redline for so long before you go fucking crazy.
		And the lack of balance between pleasure and struggle and discipline and fun.
		You have to balance.
		If you want to have a good life, and ultimately, you're supposed to be enjoying your life.
		I don't think you could truly enjoy your life without some measure of discipline.
		I think discipline is important.
		It's the reason why you can enjoy the relaxing moments because you earn them.
		You have to earn them.
		But I do think you should have them too.
		And when I was around a lot of Korean guys, like my friend Junksik, I've talked about him before, but he was a national champion.
		When we were kids, he was not as talented as other people.
		He wasn't as fast.
		He didn't have any unusual genetic gifts that some people had.
		But that motherfucker worked so hard.
		He was in residency.
		Okay.
		So he was in medical school while he was on the national team.
		So he would go to school all day.
		And for workouts, sometimes he would take all his books, put them in his backpack, and run upstairs at the school.
		Just run upstairs at the university.
		That's how he'd get some of his cardio in.
		And then he would come to the gym and he would be, you know, he'd come to the gym for nighttime training.
		We train at like six o'clock at night, seven o'clock at night, and he would be just drained.
		But he would fucking just dig in and get to it, man.
		And it was just, it's that mentality is why Asians do so well in school.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like this pushing from their parents, the high pressure.
		And again, I don't think it's so good for you psychologically.
		I don't do that with my kids.
		My kids do very well in school, but they do very well in school because of the example that I and my wife said of be a nice person, work really hard, have discipline, do the stuff you're supposed to do.
		Don't fuck off.
		You know, get the things done that you're supposed to do.
		But would they be able to compete with some kid who just came over here from China?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		Which is why other countries like America so much is because they realize, oh, if I work as hard as I can, maybe in wherever they live, India or some of these other places, it's not a promise that they'll succeed.
		But they love a capitalistic America where, like, yeah, if I put in the work and my kids put in the work and I force my kids to put in the work, it'll work.
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		This is where you see the hypocrisy of the education system, though, because they claim to be all about diversity.
		Asians are part of diversity.
		They're a small percentage of the population in America, but they're fucking killing it.
		So, they tried to hold them back.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because it's bullshit.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's a problem.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because in their mind, Asians don't complain as much.
		They get to work more.
		They're not the ones that are out there organizing and making signs.
		They're not doing that.
		They're fucking working.
		They don't have time to be going to these rallies and cheering and chanting.
		They fucking get to work.
		So because of that, they're not as represented when it comes to grievances.
		So you can get away with being racist against them.
		And you can get away with discriminating against them in higher education universities like Harvard, which is just crazy because it shows you're lying.
		You're not really caring about minorities.
		You're caring about very specific minorities because they give you social clout to represent and to fight for them.
		Like if you're fighting for black people, if you're fighting for trans people, those are the people that are really noisy and really loud.
		And if you're on their side.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And you look good if you defend them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're virtuous.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's what it is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's performative.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I think about it every week almost.
		It sounds strange, but like these kind of things consume me.
		I don't have a wife and kids, you know?
		Like I think about these things all day.
		But like I think about it with like in our in our business, you know, like there are so many women who complain like, oh, no girls on the lineup or only two girls on the line.
		And I'm like, there's less of you.
		That's all it is.
		In fact, the fact that there's less of you in our industry is why you're able to stand out and succeed so much quicker than your male counterparts.
		So yes, it can feel like a boys club because it is.
		There's plenty of disadvantages to being a female comedian like putting up with these comedy club owners or working the road or like it is there's fans being creepy with creepy fans.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're different.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		100%.
		And I'm sympathetic to the things female comics have to go through.
		But if they just don't understand the numbers, like there's, there's girls in Los Angeles who are regulars at the improv and the laugh factory and the comedy store who have been doing it a few years.
		And then there's guys that I know that have been doing it 15 years who us, you know, subjectively are very, very funny and fun, subjectively funnier than them, but at least inarguably funny.
		And they can't get any spots at these places because we need more women comics.
		I mean, we need more diverse lineups.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They've literally said that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We have too many white male comics.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I've heard it my whole career.
unidentified		It's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy to say.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I was in Boston, and there was this long line for this festival and all this thing.
		It was to submit, like to do audition.
		It was during last comic standing times.
		So they were doing these things where they liked filming the line and going, look how many people are here to try out for our festival or whatever.
		And someone came out and goes, listen, if you're a straight white guy, you better be real different.
		And all of us just cut, because Boston, we're all straight white guys.
		And I just remember being like, well, that kind of hurt my feelings a little bit.
		Like, what does that imply?
		I don't know.
		I only know about my circumstances.
		I can't have, I can't.
		One time my agent said to Miss Timmy, he was talking, bragging about one of his clients.
		And he was like, Jeff, listen, man.
		I got this one client.
		He's handsome.
		His parents are deaf.
		You know, he's black.
		He's got all these great things that make him very interesting for the industry.
		I think you're going to have to reinvent yourself or something.
		I was like, I can't make things up.
		Like, I don't know what to tell you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's just Hollywood.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And Hollywood's influence with the long tentacles of the octopus.
		But we don't do that in Texas.
		Like in the mothership, it's a meritocracy.
		And because it's a meritocracy, it's very diverse.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You got a lot of women on the lineup.
		You got a lot of all kinds of people, a lot of gay people.
		And the one thing that people keep saying about the comedy mothership is, oh, it's a right-wing comedy club.
		The vast majority of comics at my club are left-wing.
		The vast majority.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, I can personally vouch for that.
		Yeah, yeah.
		There are reasonable lefties.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're kind of people.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Who can sit in a room with a comic who doesn't agree with their politics and still just be human?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Like, that's a great.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We should all aspire to that.
		And that's what we aspire to at that club.
		Like, we don't tolerate any bullshit, ideologically, one side or the other.
		It's not supposed to be about that.
		It's supposed to be about the art form.
		And, you know, there's shit.
		A lot of my fucking friends are like far left.
		I don't care.
		Are you nice?
		Are you cool?
		Do you have interesting thoughts?
		Can we have conversations?
		I'm down with that.
		But there's this propensity, this thing that people do where they just decide you have a different ideology than me, so you're the enemy.
		And I think that is one of the stupidest things you could do as a human being.
		It's weak.
		It's simple.
		You're doing something that's just too convenient.
		And you're doing it because you know it'll be supported by a bunch of other fucking morons because we're in a TikTok generation where most people don't have nuanced perspectives on things.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Like I am a Christian, right?
		I've been a Christian since I was in my young 20s.
		I talk about it in my act.
		I talk about it in my life.
		And guess what?
		I have never once crashed out because of my Seattle comedian friends going on stage and calling Christians idiots or racists or fools or dummies.
		I've never once gone, I can't share a green room with someone who would espouse that type of hatred towards my faith, right?
		Never once.
		I've heard every joke about straight white males.
		I've heard every, and I'm nice and I can get laughs and I'm pleasant to be around in these comedy clubs.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But that's why you're doing well.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And I'm now.
		And I am.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But you're doing well because you became undeniable.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And that's the real meritocracy aspect of comedy is that if you kill, if the audience laughs and people keep coming to see you, you have an audience.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And the one thing that drives a lot of people crazy is they've, I've done all the right things and no one comes to see me because you forgot the one thing.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		You might have been doing this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You forgot the one thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Be funny.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You fell into all the easy stuff.
		All the easy stuff is align yourself with the group, all the group think, all the fucking chant all the right stuff.
		Say all the right things.
		Say things that don't even make sense.
		Right.
unidentified		So that you appear to Mark Marines.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		The second I got passed at the comedy store.
		Multiple comics went to the booker and was like, he shouldn't be here.
		He does jokes about gay people.
		And he does jokes about, he says, yeah, yeah, I do.
		Guess what?
		And they kill.
		And I get laughs.
		But again, you can still come up to me and talk to me.
		And like, I'm not, I like everybody.
		I like trans people.
		I have plenty of gay friends.
		I, I, I, you know.
unidentified		You have jokes about straight people too, and you are one of them.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's the thing.
		It's also fun to be naughty, isn't it?
		Yeah, I love women, but I trash them pretty hard in my act.
		You know, and so the only reason I was bringing all that up is that, like, I feel like I've never once gone, I can't talk to someone because of their stand-up comedy.
		I'm not going to go to the improv and go, Mary Lynn Reiskib shouldn't be allowed here because what she said about Charlie Kirk, and I was offended.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I bet if you had a conversation with her about it, an actual conversation, it would be very reasonable.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because people are people, and we should be able to share these spaces with these people no matter what we think.
		I'm not so far right or so far Christian that I go, I can't be in the same room.
		That's what cult people think.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Also, if you had a conversation with her and confronted her with the reality of what that guy had said, some of the conversations that he had with both trans people, people of color, all kinds.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He was a very kind person.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		100%.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The problem is you don't look kind when there's clips and the clips show you saying something.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Aren't you afraid of that?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I'm kind of a little bit inoculated against that because I have so many hours of me talking.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		So did he.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but in a different way.
		Where people are listening to me having these three-hour conversations.
		It's like, it's kind of hard to label me to anybody who's paying attention.
		And it's just the, it's also the benefit of having the biggest platform in the world.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, it's like, there's enough people that have seen so many shows that are like, I know who that guy is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's not who that guy is.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I think you're giving them a lot of grace.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You have to.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Because people always go, aren't you afraid of AI?
		No, I'm not afraid of AI.
		What I'm afraid of is clips, short context things.
		Even recently, I did Howie Mandel's podcast and I got asked for the millionth time about the Mark Maron thing.
		And I was like, dude, the good part of that Mark Maron story is that we buried it.
		I think.
		Who knows?
		It'll rear its head again, I'm sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm not with that guy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's no burying anything.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		But I was like, how about that story?
		Tell that story, Howie, that we shook hands at the comedy store and were able to share a stage and not stage, but share a room full of stages.
		And it just, Howie Mandel's team just posted the thing.
		So, you know, all the comments are like, Jeff Dog, I can't stop talking about Mark Maron again.
		What I'm saying is that Charlie Kirk's guilty of, or not guilty of it, but a victim of it.
		This short, real thing that is out of context.
		It's not a three-hour conversation.
		No one's listening to Trump in long form.
		No one listened to Charlie Kirk in long form.
		The people that were informed did.
		But I'm saying the everyday person is kind of just kind of collecting these excerpts and then forming a groupthink about those excerpts.
		And the groupthink becomes their reality.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's very true.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And I'm afraid of that for you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's true in some ways, but it also benefits you in some ways too.
		It's like there's good and bad.
		Like there's little things that you'll say that are funny that make it into clips.
		And that's good too.
		It's like the thing, like I was talking to Tony about this because we were talking about people that complain about his show and talk shit about a show.
		I go, dude, they work for you.
		They don't realize it, but they work for you.
		They're the publicity arm, the negative publicity arm for the Kill Tony show.
		You don't worry about it and don't care.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		You can't, you know, write a book on that.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It's teaching me how to not care.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You just got to get to a point where you don't have to care anymore.
		Like, it's not going to affect you.
		You know what I mean?
		But if you're in that position where I'm in that kind of sort of, you're not totally ever in that position, but you're much more in that position than the average person.
		It's your duty to not care.
		It's your duty to set an example and to say, look, you're supposed to be, when you get to the top, you're not supposed to be mean and like defend it and push everybody down.
		You're supposed to lift everybody up and be what you would hope the guy at the top would be.
		Be supportive, try to help other people's careers, try to promote them, tell everybody how cool they are, tell everybody how funny they are, tell everybody good things that you know.
		Instead of complaining all the time about everything, find cool shit and inform people about it.
		Tell people cool shit that you've seen, cool restaurants you've been to, cool music you've listened to, cool people you met.
		Do that.
		That's what I try to do.
		And that's my, that is my obligation, I think, in having the top podcast.
		You have to set an example that's beneficial for not just me, but for everybody.
unidentified		Sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And don't care as much.
		Don't care as much about haters.
		You're going to have haters.
		The idea that you're not going to have people that hate you is crazy.
		Fucking, you could get like the one of the things that I know from MMA, the greatest fighters, the best guys in their prime.
		There's going to be guys coming up that say he ain't shit.
		I'll fuck him up.
		I'll take him out in one round.
		There's always that.
		He's got no defense.
		He's got no chin.
		He's got no heart.
		He's only good when he's winning.
		As soon as it gets turned on him, he's going to fold.
		There's always someone talking.
		And if you live your life constantly responding to those people, it's a waste of that 100.
		That 100 units of attention and focus that you have.
		You got to protect that.
		You got to guard that 100 units, man.
		Don't let anybody steal your units with a comment on YouTube.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And it's never in real life for me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It's never in real life.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the problem.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I have to open this shit before I spiral out.
		Even in my town of Los Angeles, you know, people go, why yeah, this fucking dump.
		And then I and then I'm walking around in Sherman Oaks.
		I've got my coffee.
		I'm seeing dogs.
		I'm seeing hot chicks.
		I'm like Brees is like, man, what's up, Jeff?
		Like, I have friends, beautiful weather.
		Yeah, wherever I go, like, because I go to the same spots and I talk to everyone.
		So, like, I've accumulated all these people who go, oh, you know, that community is the best or whatever.
		Like, in my little community.
		But then I turn on my phone.
		You see this Obambabadomi guy?
		He's a Muslim.
		He's going to ruin New York.
		And then I start going, yeah, yeah, what the hell's going on with this?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think New York is due for a little socialist wake-up call.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, they'll wake up.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		These things are.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're going to have 5,000 police officers have threatened to resign.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Don't you think New York deserves that?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Is that true?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is that true?
		Find out if that number is true.
		Because here's the problem with those kind of things.
		It's like right-wing people post stuff like that.
		And you're like, is that real?
		You know, are they really going to defund the police?
		Are they really going to have to be able to get out of here?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I am buying a house.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Are you?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		In Texas?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeehaw.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Like about 30, 40 minutes from here.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Nice.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're already locked on it?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		No, but I'm shopping for houses on Wednesday.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Oh, tomorrow.
unidentified		Wednesday.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, tomorrow.
		I got a good lady if you need one.
		She's the best.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I have a chick who's pretty good.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		She's like the number one in Arizona.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Arizona's not Texas.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I know, but she has all these contacts.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Also, I just know her.
unidentified		Okay.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		So that helps.
unidentified		Okay.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's good to be loyal.
unidentified		Yeah.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And she found a bunch of good stuff about 40 minutes from here.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's good, too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		40 minutes from here, out in like Tripping Springs area.
unidentified		It's quiet.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's what I want.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I want to.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's quiet at night.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You hear.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I want to go to a lake.
unidentified		Oh, oh, oh.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		You know?
		Be able to like, I'm kind of in this kind of LA thing.
		And I could be guilty of being a victim of like what I'm absorbing in my algorithm.
		But like, Gavin Newsom scares the shit out of me.
		And I don't want to be a part of it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He wants to run the whole country, too.
unidentified		It's wild.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Pretty wild.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And those.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Those fires were quite a wake-up call for even if whatever you believe about the fires, the way it was dealt with was pretty scary.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was not competent.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's for sure.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Even the aftermath.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It was not competent.
		The conversations about talking to different developers about doing stuff with the land and destination.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's what I'm talking about.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like, what do you mean?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we'll make a smart town.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		You're like, that's kind of what the conspiracy people were saying before this stuff happened.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you see when he's doing a little dance in front of burnt houses?
unidentified		I know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Are you a sociopath?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because that's how sociopaths behave.
		They're not totally broken up by the fact that a giant chunk of your city burnt to the ground.
		Did 5,000 people resign?
		I don't think they say they threatened to resign.
		There's no credible evidence of 5,000 peace officers resigned.
		Okay, why don't you say, did they threaten to resign?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I did when I typed it in Google and I got the same answers.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
		In perplexity, it says, did 5,000 people resign?
		No.
		What actually happened, official data and statements from NYPD representatives confirmed there has been no mass walkout, while police union leaders and some critics have warned of potential wave of resignations or feared attrition.
		See, that was the thing.
		Social media posts alleging 5,000 officers, I didn't see any that said resign.
		I saw something that said are threatening to resign.
		Go back to where I was reading.
		Once have been debunked as rumors or satire.
		NYPD has about 33,745 uniformed officers as of late 2025 with staffing down only slightly from the previous year.
		So it's like maybe it's one of those things where someone talked to some people and they said, I know a lot of guys.
		A lot of guys are threatening to resign.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, that's a serious thing to talk about anyways, whether it's true or not on the numbers.
		Like, it's not a fun time to be a police officer.
		For the last, like, pre-Black Lives Matter, I know a lot of cops just in my life.
		I used to perform once a year for their Christmas thing at the LAPD.
		Great audience members.
		You want to talk about good audience members?
		Police, military, nurses, anyone who deals with real life, very good audience members.
		They can take a joke.
		Yeah, oh, great at taking jokes.
		And they need to see the humor in life, you know?
		Like, they're looking for a clown to laugh at because they deal with real shit.
		But that aside, in the last eight years, when cops tell me they're cops at shows, it's like, hey, you know, I'm a police.
		And I'm like, what's with this embarrassment?
		Like, why do you feel like you need to be like an undercover police officer when you're like, whisper it?
		Yeah, why?
		I like cops.
		I think that they're great.
		They have to go into someone's worst day of their life every day.
		Anytime you've ever had to call a cop, it's not a great day.
		It's not a great thing that's happening.
		And they have to enter someone's worst day every 15 minutes or every hour.
		And I have a tremendous amount of respect for people that do that.
		And they feel ashamed to be a cop because they've been vaguely blanketed as like oppressors or racist or some sort of power-hungry bad guys.
		And that's probably a little worse in NYPD right now as far as being in the city with what's going on.
		So I imagine there's a lot of people who are threatening the same way whenever someone's president isn't the president they want.
		They go, I'm going to move.
		They make those kind of threats.
unidentified		Some people do move.
		Yeah.
		Some people do.
		Rosie.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		On Rich Guys are really getting out of it.
		I respect Rosie Nellen for that.
		Don't you respect that?
		Every celebrity says they're going to leave.
		Well, it's dumb that they left because now they just can't vote.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		After the end of that, you're living in Ireland.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		But at least they said what they were going to do.
unidentified		You're living in England and then your neighbors in England don't like you either.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because they're like, yeah, exactly.
		But that's true.
		But at least they left.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They've got to move to a new place in England.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Hundreds of celebrities said they would leave and didn't.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
		Yeah, there's always a lot of that.
		A lot of people said they were going to move to Canada.
unidentified		Great.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Good luck with that.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		But now you're just America light?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're America communist.
		Now.
		Canada's nuts.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		But now you're still reliant on America.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I know Sat that I wanted to look up that I just read.
		I put this in the perplexity.
		One out of 20 deaths last year, I read this article that was saying was assisted suicide.
		That can't be true.
		That can't be true.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Where'd you see it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because Aquino Canada has an assisted suicide program, a national assisted suicide program.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Can you imagine if there's some corruption in that?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Holy crap.
		There's corruption in everything, Jeff.
		Everything.
unidentified		Everything.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's a bad thing.
		There's corruption in religion.
		Right?
		There's corruption in science.
		There's corruption in medicine.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Which becomes a great excuse to not be a part of those things.
		Oh, I won't even question if I have a creator because there's fouled people in the church.
		You're like, that's so stupid.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		It's accurate for Canada.
unidentified		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, of course not America.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, just yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Canada.
		Let me see this.
		There's still not in it.
		So the perplexity.
		Look at this.
		This is crazy.
		Medical assistance in dying, known as MAID, also known as assisted suicide or euthanasia, accounted for approximately 4.7% of all deaths in Canada.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's wild.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That is so crazy.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		How do we get more specific?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Like, what would be an example of like?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We'll read into it.
		This proportion is equivalent to about 1 in 20 deaths across the country.
		That is so fucking insane.
		One out of 20 people who die in Canada are getting assisted suicide.
		How many of those fucking people you could have given mushrooms to?
		They could have had an Ibergain journey.
		Maybe they could have fucking done something differently with their life to get them out of depression.
		How many of them could have gotten alternative medical treatments that have dealt with their condition?
		So what are the conditions?
		Did you put that in there, Jamie?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		The average age of them is 70.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		So they're actually old.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that is old.
		But however, my mom's 80.
		She's great.
		Like, what's going on?
		Yeah, this isn't one of.
		But what is it?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Are you not in the middle?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just because you're 77, are you not enjoying life?
		Or is it one out of 20 people are dying of a terminal illness?
		And I am being short-sighted because I'm not thinking, they're like going to die soon anyway.
		They choose to die on their own.
		Is that the case?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Track one is natural death is reasonably foreseeable, and track two is not reasonably foreseeable for natural death.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		So track two recipients, this is where it gets weird because some of them were chronically obese.
		Some of them were chronically depressed.
		They were doing it for people that don't really have a disease.
		So what are the parameters?
		Let's put this, ask a follow-up.
		What do you have to have wrong with you to qualify for MAID in Canada?
		Let's just ask that.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		How do you qualify for MAID?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because if it's just you're depressed.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's scary.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
unidentified		Right.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And very irresponsible.
		If you have cancer and they're trying to just like, I'm done with my fight.
		Please help me.
unidentified		Right.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Is what track one is.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		We're talking about track two.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Be at least 18 years old and capable of making health care decisions.
		Be eligible for publicly funded health services.
		Okay, that's normal.
		Voluntary request, informed consent, have a serious and incurable illness, disease, or disability causing enduring and intolerable suffering that cannot be alleviated under conditions acceptable to the person.
		But that's the key word, the key phrase there, acceptable to the person is interesting.
		Be in an advanced state of irreversible decline in capability.
		Okay, are people with depression, just write severe, are people with severe depression eligible for MAID?
		Write that.
		Severe depression.
		Because a lot of people would say that is an incurable disease.
		Where would we be without the Red Squiggly line?
		I don't know how to spell anything else.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I can't spell anything ever.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I never have been.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Jimmy, you're rolling the dice with eligible?
		You're an animal.
		In Canada, people whose sole underlying medical condition is severe depression or any other mental illness are currently not eligible for medical assistance in dying.
		This temporary exclusion includes psychiatric conditions like depression and personality disorders.
		The law excludes eligibility for MAID on the basis of mental illness alone in March 17, 2027.
		However, people with mental illnesses may be eligible if they have a grievous, grievous, grievous, or irremediable.
		Boy, that's a word.
		Have you ever said that word?
		Irremediable?
		Irremediable.
		I've never said that word.
		But I've never even seen that.
		Irremediable?
		Physical health condition that meets MAIDS criteria.
		The government has delayed eligibility expansion for mental illness due to concerns around safety and appropriate safeguards.
		When MAID for mental illness becomes legal, they say it like it was.
		Oh, okay.
		That's what I'd read.
		Okay, this was the issue.
		So they were going to.
		Okay.
		The law excludes eligibility for MAID on the basis of mental illness alone until March 17, 2027.
		So there's a year and a few months.
		And then these people are eligible for this.
		As of 2025, severe depression alone is not qualified.
		So what it seems like is a lot of people that are just not doing well.
		It's the end of their life.
		And they're like, I'd like to go out on my own terms.
		I don't want to just walk into a library with a 44 and make people clean up.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Or they go, I'm a financial burden on my family.
unidentified		Right.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Or those kind of things.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		When you're an old person, you feel a little guilt that, like, ah, my kids.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
		And also, sometimes people, like one of their loved ones dies and they don't want to be alone.
		They just can't.
		They've been with this person for 45 years.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		My dad just died, and my mom is not doing great.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		She's been with him since she was 17.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's very hard.
		My grandfather died one year after my grandmother died, and he was fine up until then.
		And it was just like the grief was just intolerable.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and she's feeling a lot of guilt because he was kind of cognitively, I don't know, I don't know how to say it politely.
		He was just kind of not himself for the last year.
		And so when he passed, my mom did feel a little relief.
		Like, you know, oh, yeah, I'm kind of his caretaker.
unidentified		Right, right.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And so then feel guilt about the relief.
		You know, you know, I don't want to feel relieved that someone that I'm that I've known my whole life is gone.
		And then now trying to mourn that.
		You know, it's very, very complicated.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's real hard when someone has dementia or Alzheimer's or anything along those lines.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		The patience that these people have to work with dementia and those kind of even an eating disorder is you know, you can't really communicate it to the person when they have this body dysmorphia or anything.
		Like it's something as simple as that.
		Those people are saints that can work with anybody cognitively or like any kind of like dysphoria.
		Like that's that's I mean, I those are heroes to me because I don't have the patience for it.
		I'm very like direct.
		I'm very like want to have a good time.
		Like I'm not good at being like, how don't you see this?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Apparently there's some really promising treatments for dementia and Alzheimer's.
		One of them, I wonder if it was dementia or Alzheimer's, was the supplement of supplementation with selenium.
		See if they can find what that is.
		That's one of those things that I glanced at quickly, and I was like, I better remember.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I'm probably going to say this on here, but there's a beautiful great woman named Lydia who I've been hanging out with, and her mom had some sort of dementia or something like this.
		And their family had a real long debate about what the doctor recommended.
		It was shock therapy.
		And it worked.
unidentified		Really?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It works for now, I guess.
		Like, at least, like, they're all going, wait, now she's saying, didn't you just come over last week and we talked about that?
		Like, she's having things.
		Like, that's why I'm saying, I don't know if I should say it on here because there was a positive outcome of the shock therapy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's funny because someone just sent me a link to a documentary on shock therapy that it was a negative thing.
		Can you believe they're still doing shock therapy?
		Right.
		And I said, I don't know much about that.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, the only shock therapy I've ever heard was like you hear about the horror stories.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		One flew over the cuckoo snow.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Those are lombotomies, though, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think that was a shock therapy thing.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I thought those were lumbotomies.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, might be.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It might be.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		We've all agreed.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Although, dude, they were doing them long after they were out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They did them forever.
unidentified		Yeah.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Because those guys wanted money.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think it was like the year I was born or the year before I was born.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They stopped doing them.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I heard all these stories about there would be like people who would still, you know, on the fringes of it because they didn't want to shut down their practice.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		So they'd be like, hey, you know, we'll still give it to you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is an abortion.
unidentified		Yeah.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And they would be like, this authoritarian government's not even letting people have lumbotomies, but we'll still do it.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I'm the doctor that'll still do it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's lobotomy.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Is it?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Am I saying it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think it was shit.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Dude, you know what, Joe?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		For a big part of my life, I thought it was Sarah Bell's palsy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Hold up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What did you just say?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		The movie was shock therapy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it was.
		And the... Sarah Bell's palsy?
		Yes, we're watching this game or something, and the guy looked crazy.
		And I go, looks like he's got Sarah Bell's palsy.
		My friend, no one laughed.
		No one laughed.
		Which is a good comedy note: is that if you say a thing wrong or it's a false premise or something, no one's on board with it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But if you see it around comedians.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Well, I said around a bunch of people watching football.
		I go, it looks like he's got Sarah Bell's palsy.
		And everyone just looked at me.
		And then my friend Katie's like, did you say Sarah Bell's?
		And I was like, wasn't that what it is?
		She's like, cerebral palsy.
		And I was like, I don't know.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I've never seen the movie, so I don't know how it ended it.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Because they discovered at the end he had been lobotomized.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		The big chief guy was lobotomized.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's the plot of the movie.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		The big boy, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so he was lobotomized, but was Jack Nicholson supposedly lobotomized as well?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		They were just in a cuckoo house.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		But at the end, shock therapy here.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They did shock therapy, but remember at the end, he was like totally docile.
		Maybe they were letting you know he got lobotomized too.
		Probably.
		They did that forever.
		When did they stop doing lobotomies?
		Wasn't it like 67?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Please.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Lumbotomy.
unidentified		Lumbotomies.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, they stopped doing lobotomies.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		This is a thing I have.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What year was it?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I love to talk about plenty of things I know and don't know about.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		It's fun.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		The one doctor did almost all of them.
unidentified		Wow.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		He did one-third of them.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot.
		How many did he do?
		How rich was he?
		What was his net worth?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I bet he had a nice breast.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I bet he had a huge break.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, one-third of his 3,500 lobotomies performed.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		He was successful, and 490 resulted in fatalities.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Wait, hold on.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He killed 40 people in their brain.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Which ones were successful?
		They're perfect.
		Perfect at me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Billy just drools.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Now he doesn't fuck the dog.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		He's not annoying us with his undiagnosed autism.
		Now he just sits there.
		It's not successful.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Hey, he doesn't fuck the dog anymore.
		It's a success.
		That's the guy?
		Oh, that fucking creepy looking psycho.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Jesus Christ, that's how they did it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They went right through the fucking eyeball.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I thought they went through the nose.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		No, they go through the nether one.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		They could do both, probably.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I thought they always.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there's the nose.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's the one I knew.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They do both ways through the nose, through the fucking eyeball, fucking god damn it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And in the end, look, he's happy.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I thought he was going to be a little bit more.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Give me a thumbs up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He was a mess.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I thought he was going, hell yeah.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I feel great.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Imagine if they just scrambled it a little.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So it's like you're just on ecstasy all day.
unidentified		Wee.
unidentified		I love everybody.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I will say the first time I did mushrooms, I was like, because my buddy's like, the cool thing about mushrooms is that you don't want, it's not like cocaine or E or anything.
		You're not going to become like addicted to mushrooms.
		You're going to want to do mushrooms every day.
		And then the second I did mushrooms, I was sitting in the chair and I was like, you guys were wrong.
		And they're like, what?
		I go, I just want to feel like this all the time.
		Like, you lost your mind.
		Like, this is the right state of being for me.
		Like, it's the best.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It should be legal.
		It's the best drug.
		It's better at making people better people than anything.
unidentified		Yes.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		All I wanted to do, and still since then, is like, let's just talk and connect and let's find a way.
		Let's be nice.
		Yeah, let's be good.
		Let's be nice to each other.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Nobel Prize for the...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wow!
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Not the same doctor, but a different doctor.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wait, Nobel Prize.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		That'd make people go ahead and get it, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So they started getting him in 35, and then in 49, Dr. Moniz won the Nobel Prize for it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And so Dr. Freeman was the guy who did one-third of them.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he made it a 10-minute procedure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Nice.
		In and out.
		Nice.
		That's cool.
		Come in.
		You got an appointment at noon.
		Come in at 11.
unidentified		I'll be drooling in the parking lot at 11.35.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It's like a chiropractor.
		Just come in.
		We'll get the fast dude.
		You'll be at Chipotle in no time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I keep reading stories about people that get paralyzed forever because of chiropractors.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's been a ton of those stories.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Do you ever go to them?
		You're a fire.
		Are you a body guy?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't go to them anymore.
		I went to them back in the day before I read up on how chiropractors learn.
		You know, when they say, I'm a doctor, they don't go to medical school for three seconds.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's why I hate all those arguments of authority.
		You're not a scientist.
		You're not a...
		It's like, well, neither are they, kind of.
unidentified		Well, it's...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But like, something was invented by a magnetic healer who was a kook, who learned about it in a seance.
		He was a complete kook.
		And then he was killed by his son, who was a con man.
		His son ran him over with a car, and then his son took over the business.
		And then it got grandfathered in.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And he wanted no BLPs.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But it got grandfathered in.
		But here's the thing.
		Manipulating the body in a positive way, like adjusting you, has some benefits.
		Deep tissue massage has a lot of benefits, like manipulating tissue.
		I get a trigger point massage.
		It's really painful, but it's very effective.
		There's real benefits to it.
		So there's things that chiropractors do that do have like a real beneficial effect on your body being able to recover.
		But the claims, at least in the beginning, are nuts.
		The initial claims, it's going to cure leukemia or thyroid cancer.
		I'm just going to adjust your back.
		It's a C4, C5, disconnection.
		I'll pop.
		And then they grab you and yank your neck.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's so scary.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And sometimes people have fucking hemorrhages from these things because they violently yank your neck and a blood vessel pops and you have a fucking stroke.
		And that's not happened just once.
		It's happened a bunch of times.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I grew up playing video games too and watching all these action movies, you know, and I thought that just twisting a guy's head.
		Like, you know, like you kill him.
		You think that's all it took, you know?
		Like, I snuck up behind that guy in the video game and just that's all I did.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Meanwhile, a chiropractor is just a bad thing.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		You do it all day.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You ever seen him do it to babies?
		No.
		Oh, my God.
		It's so crazy.
		People that are like full-on nuts have their babies brought to a chiropractor and the chiropractor is adjusting the baby's skull and moving the baby.
unidentified		Yo!
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Your parental ideas of like, they're all scrapped.
		Like you're supposed to keep it safe.
		The idea of handing into a chiropractor.
unidentified		They believe it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They believe it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And so they think they're doing a good thing.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Jamie, am I allowed to ask Jamie to bring things up?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, fuck you.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Jamie, can you bring up some dog chiropractors?
		Oh, I've seen this.
		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I've seen it.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And the dogs look at the chiropractor like, what'd you just do?
		But also, I do feel a little bit better.
		The dog's so sweet about it.
		Like, I think I'm good, actually.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You got to get the right dog.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		A lot of pit bulls because they're all strong and shit.
		And so, like, they'll just adjust it.
		Yeah.
		I've seen like montages of it, and it's pretty adorable.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What is he going to do to this dog's neck?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Please don't.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I already did it.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I'll start it over.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, no.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And look at the dog looking up at him.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't think you need to do that to that dog.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that's necessary.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Watch this.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Look at the way he looks at him.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But here's the thing.
		Like, what studies are they showing where this is all good?
		That's a Belgian Malamoir, bro.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I can't hear it, but it goes face.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to hear it.
		I don't know if that does anything.
		I don't know if that's good.
		I think if you got your dog a massage, it would be really good for them.
		But I think all that snapping of the popping, like, are you loosening it up and making it more mobile?
		Well, if that's the case, you can do that with spinal decompression and massage.
		I have this thing.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I've been doing this with my friends' dogs, and they've been loving it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I put this thing on my neck.
		I'm like, don't do that.
		You're going to get bitches.
		I put this thing on my head.
		It goes underneath my chin.
		It's got a rope.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A hoop that hangs on my chin-up bar.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And I just.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I've seen them advertise it because you use it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there you go.
		Look at this.
		He's giving his dog a back crack.
		Oh, bro.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's the camel's clutch, dude.
unidentified		Look at that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That dog is sweet.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's letting you do your nonsense.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Dude, this guy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Dogs just love getting rubbed.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's all it is, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, they love it.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's all petting is kind of a massage, you know?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's what they love.
		They love massages.
		They don't have to pretend they don't.
		You love massages, too.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Everybody does.
		We don't have to ask them about that.
		They like it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		If we were like dogs, everybody would just lie down on the floor and let people rub them.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it'd be fine.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You come over to my house, dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Marshall will lie down immediately and let you rub him.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's my favorite thing about dogs.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He assumes you want to rub his belly.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, dogs don't go, this guy's probably a...
		Who do you vote for?
		No, dog...
		Dogs aren't ever worried.
		My dog would go up to like a homeless.
		They don't care.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What's up, homeless guy?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he loves them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're the best.
		We don't deserve them.
		But I don't think they should go to a chiropractor.
		But people that think that you should bring your dog, it's because they believe in the chiropractors.
		There's a great article called Chiropractors are bullshit.
		Pull that article up.
		The lady who wrote it was on the podcast, and I read the article, and then I had her explain it to me.
		Yeah.
		It was back in L.A.
		And I was like, oh, this is a nutty thing.
		I thought they were doctors.
unidentified		I thought they were actual doctors.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I went to one of those ones.
		It's called The Joint.
		And, you know, you can just like, you can just walk in and they'll do it.
		And this is.
		I think a lot of it for me was placebo.
		Like, I just thought, like, oh, they told me this is good for me, so I'm doing it.
		You know, I wasn't having pain or anything.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Eve Detremont is the lady who was on the podcast that wrote this article.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But it's crazy.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I like the title.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's a crazy.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It's very direct.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When you read the story of how it was invented, you're like, this is nuts.
		Because it's one of those things that's just grandfathered in.
		And if you're allowed to be doctor, like, we should be doctors of comedy.
		Wouldn't you like to be Dr. Jeff?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Jeff MD, dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wait, not MD.
unidentified		What would it be?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But you're giving people laughter, which is the best medicine.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So I think we should get doctors of comedy.
		Maybe we should do that at the mothership.
		Just start handing out doctorates of comedy.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's how you get past, kind of.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You headline, you do your first theater tour.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'll give you a doctorate.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I worked under Ron White, and then I got my.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mentored under Ron White.
		Exactly.
		Ron White was patient zero here because Ron moved out here before the pandemic.
unidentified		Really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's the reason why I decided to move out here.
		Because, you know, Ron and I have been real close forever.
		And knowing him from the comedy store, he was always one of the coolest guys to hang out with.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		He's the best dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's the best.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And so we were hanging out in the back bar and he was telling me he's moving to Texas.
unidentified		I go, what?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What are you doing?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		You're here.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Don't go.
		This is nuts.
		He's like, oh, it's the best.
unidentified		He goes, I don't keep my house out here in Beverly Hills, but this fucking place is the food's the best.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The people are nice.
		If I want to fly, I'm in the middle.
		It's three hours here, three hours.
		And I was like, damn, he's got a good point.
		So when the shit started getting weird in LA and they were burning cop cars on the freeway, that's when daddy was like, I got to get out of here.
		Yeah, you know, because my kids are little, you know, 10 and 12 at the time, the little ones.
		And I was like, this is dangerous.
		And we all agreed, like, it just doesn't feel right.
		I don't feel like they're going to open this up.
		I think this is bullshit.
		Let's get the fuck out of here.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It's not like you're an actor.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I was like, you acted, but you weren't an actor.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I wasn't interested in doing it anymore.
		And we were flying a lot of the guests out anyway.
		And I was like, I'll figure it out.
		I'll do Zoom calls.
		I don't want to do this anymore.
		I don't want to live here.
		I want to live my life.
		I'd be happy making less money and doing it somewhere else.
		And maybe it's not as good.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Have you thought about making other motherships?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We did.
		We have.
		We've talked about it.
unidentified		Where?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We talked about New York.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We've talked about Vegas.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		What about Florida?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We've talked.
		Here's the thing.
		To do it.
		I mean, this is just like based on what we've done in Austin, right?
		What we did in Austin is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity where we hit every green light.
		Every green light along the way, we got in the right spot.
		So like the only way this club happens, first of all, is I'm friends with Adam Egot, and I've been friends with Adam Egot from back when he was running the improv in Tempe.
		So that's when I knew him.
		I knew him from back then.
		And then he came to California and he started working at the comedy store when I had already been banned.
		So I had been banned and I had gone on my seven-year exodus.
		And he came to meet me at the improv.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		They showed you, by the way.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Comedy stored show.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		They really showed you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So he came to meet me at the improv.
		He's like, dude, come back.
		I'm there now.
		I'm the talent coordinator.
		And I thought about it.
		And then I wound up coming back because of Ari.
		Because, you know, Ari Shafir is one of my closest friends.
		And he was filming his special there.
		And I had known Ari since he was a doorman.
		I knew him when he was a doorman there.
		And now he's filming a special.
		I'm like, I don't give a fuck.
		I have to be there.
		I have to be there for him.
		And I went there a day before just so I could relax because it was weird because I hadn't been there in seven years.
		And, you know, it was super friendly, hugged everybody.
		It was great.
		And then I saw Ari and Ari killed.
		And the special was awesome.
		And it was just such a, it was such a happy moment to see him like accomplish this thing, going from being a doorman to having your own Comedy Central special while he's also doing a show on Comedy Central.
		This is what he's doing.
		This is not happening.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was on that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So it was like, I had to come back.
		So that was 2014.
		And becoming really good friends with Adam and knowing him from the improv, like knowing him from back in the day and then becoming friends with him when he was the Cal Coordinator.
		We had talked about like what are the problems with running a club?
		Like what is the problems with like people telling you, oh, you have to have more of this on your show or more that on your show or you're problematic and people getting mad about this, mad about that.
		I'm like, it's got to be a meritocracy.
		As much as that bothers some people, the people that bothers, they're never good.
		David Tell's never complaining about diversity.
		You know what I'm saying?
		It's like the people that are complaining, generally they're mediocre at best.
		And he was like, you're right.
		I go, but you can't give into them because there's a lot of them.
		And they yell and they make it seem like it's a big deal.
		But the big deals laughs, doing good comedy, having an original idea, being funny.
		Here's the world through my eyes.
		This is how I've crafted it for you.
		That's all it is.
		Everything else is a fucking distraction.
		And we both agreed on that.
		And so when the comedy store shut down and then I moved out here, there was a long time where I was like, I don't know what to do.
		Like, do I stop doing comedy now and just do this podcast?
		Like, no one's doing comedy.
		It was months and months of no comedy.
		And then Dave and I started doing shows at Stubbs.
		So Dave was like, I want to do a show at Stubbs.
		Let's do like a residency there.
		I'm like, fuck yeah, let's do it.
		So he and I did like a, we had done a ton of shows, a bunch of arena shows before the pandemic together.
		And so the Stubbs thing came along and I was like, okay, yeah, let's just do this.
		All right, we're doing this now.
		And I guess we're doing comedy again.
		And then we started doing comedy at the Vulcan.
		And the Vulcan is indoor and it's loud and it's rowdy and it was naughty.
		Like it was crazy.
		You're doing a November 2020 indoor show.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Punk rock.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And so when that was happening, then everybody started moving here.
		Then everything got weird.
		And I was like, whoa, we got like Tom Segura moved here.
		Duncan Trussell moved here.
		Tony Hinchcliffe moved here.
		Brian Simpson moved here.
		I was like, whoa, we got a crew here.
		Derek Poston moved here.
		Asana Maud moved here.
		I'm like, we got a real crew here.
		And then it just kept escalating.
		Tim Dylan came.
		It was like over and over again.
		Joe DeRosa came.
		Shane Gillis came.
		And so while all this was happening, where all these guys were at least talking about moving there, they're like, it feels better here.
		Like the scene feels more alive because LA was still shut down.
		And so then Ron White basically like grabbed me by the shoulders one night after he hadn't done stand-up in like six months.
unidentified		And he grabs me and goes, whatever the fuck we have to do, we're going to keep doing this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You got to open up a club.
		I'm like, we're going to open up a club.
		Let's go.
		We'll get a club.
		And then that's how it all started.
		But we had to hit every light.
		Like Adam had to be out of a job.
		All the people that we got from the comedy store that were great, we brought over a bunch of people.
		They all had to be out of a job.
		So the comedy store had to be closed.
		Otherwise, why would you leave the comedy store?
		It's the greatest place on earth.
		So then it was like everything else had to be closed down.
		So the comics knew that they could do stand-up in Texas.
		And so like, well, let's just go to Texas.
		And it just, people decided, I like doing stand-up more than I like living in LA.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then once they came out here, they realized, I think I like it out here better.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		It's amazing what we've got.
		Also, my favorite thing about the scene here is the mothership helps everything around as well.
		So I can't get over every time that I've been here how inviting, how cool all the young comics are.
		All these guys who would chew off their arm to get a spot at your club are here for it.
		And they're here at these other places.
		They're doing all these other things because they believe in what the mothership's doing.
		And there's all this other stuff.
		So it has the most buzz as far, not buzz, that's a stupid word.
		It has a feeling.
		It has like this vibe.
		It has this aura.
		Whereas like that used to be in New York and that used to be in LA and I don't feel it in those places anymore.
		I'm actually lucky that I can go do the cellar and I can go do this dand and I can do those things.
		I can go to the comedy store.
		I go to the improv.
		I'm at a place where they'll have me.
		But there's not like a bunch of young guys doing small shows and excited at the idea of even going over to the store after their spots.
		Your club has that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a couple things it has an advantage of, right?
		One is Kill Tony.
		That's the big advantage.
		The big advantage of there's a show that's Monday night that is the biggest live comedy show on planet Earth and you might be able to get on it.
		And if you've got a tight minute and you could fucking kill, they're going to ask you back.
		And if you've got another tight minute, oh my God, you might have a fucking career.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You might have a fucking career.
		And that's happened time and time again.
		Like Cam Patterson is on SNL right now.
		Yes, sir.
		And that came straight out of Kill Tony.
		100%.
		And, you know, and Cam is super fucking talented, but so is Hans Kim.
		So is a lot of William Montgomery.
		There's a lot of people coming out of there that do great and they have a real career now.
		Ari Maddie has a real career now.
		It's amazing.
		Casey Rocket, it's an amazing resource.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		100%.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So that's the big one, is that there's a real pathway.
		And then there's also two nights of open mic night, two nights.
		So we make sure we have plenty of open mic night time.
		You get to do an open mic night at the best club in the world.
		And then on top of that, it's like the club is the only club that I know of that was designed not to make money.
		All I wanted to do is break even.
		I'm like, I just don't want to lose any money.
		You know, because it's so much money to make a club and build it in the first place.
		You have to buy a building.
		You have to hire all these people to fix it.
		And turn, it's a lot of money invested.
		I'm like, I just want to lose a lot of money.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Which is why a lot of owners have terrible reputations because they do all these corner cutting or they do like the fuck you all.
		Yeah, but they're also desperate in a way.
		Like these guys, they'll, you know, I like club owners, but there's a lot of crazy club owners.
		And they feel that pressure of like, I got to keep this alive.
		I don't want to keep losing money.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I used to tell comics, be nice to club owners because you don't want to be one.
unidentified		You do not want to be a good one.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It's a great one.
		And then I went and became one.
		But you're doing it honorably.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm lucky that I have other ways of making a living, right?
		Most club owners, they're a club owner by definition.
		That's what they do for a job.
		This is not what I do for a job.
		This is just, I do this for literally to make a comedy environment.
		So the club is set up so the comedians get most of the money because that's how it should be.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's great.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		People aren't coming to see drinks.
		Right.
		They're coming to see a guy do his art, a woman do her art on stage.
		So that person should get most of the money.
		And that's how it should be.
		And it should be that way because it's the right way to do it and because it builds the art form.
		You have more people making money so they don't have to leave as much.
		They don't have to go out of town as much.
		They can stay in town and develop and work on new stuff.
		And there's all these satellite rooms.
		There's the Sunset Strip that's right down the street from us.
		You could walk there in three minutes.
		That's Red Band's Club.
		It's killing.
		Creaking the Keg is an awesome spot.
		That's where Gillis filmed his first YouTube special.
		He filmed it.
		I like it too.
		It's amazing.
		It's a great club.
		That's another club we did a lot during the pandemic.
		And then you've got all these other clubs.
		Cap City's a great fucking club.
		That's just 20 minutes away.
		There's a bunch of these satellite rooms all around this place that are killing it right now.
		Because comedy is a fun thing to do.
unidentified		People love it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, and we can do it in a way where it's not connected to fucking Hollywood.
		It's not connected to movies.
		It's not connected to TV.
		It's an art form in and of itself that had been prostituted out for so long that people thought like the golden goose was be a late night talk show host.
		That was the golden goose, a job that I wouldn't.
		There's no fucking way.
		If they doubled my money, I'd be like, I'm not doing that.
		I can't do it.
		It's not me.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And it's also not really stand-up.
		So many times, like, people are like, so do you want to like, is it, are you doing this because of like, you want to be a movie star?
		I was like, no, I'm doing it because I love stand-up comedy.
unidentified		Yeah.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I just watched the starting five of it's called starting five on Netflix, but they follow NBA players.
		And the annoying part is like their wives and girlfriends.
		I think that's the annoying part.
		Like I want to hear them talk about basketball, like the thing they love.
		Right, right.
		That inspires me because I look at the way I pursue comedy, the way they pursue their basketball, you know, like their career.
		So anyways, but what I was inspired by was like Kevin Durant, who I thought I hated my whole life, was awesome.
		He just wants to play basketball.
		Like that's all it is for him.
		He's like, yeah, I just want to go out there and hoop.
		And he keeps going to that thing of like, man, I don't want to have these arguments in barbershops about the greatest ever or any of those things.
		He makes money, but it's not about the money for him.
		And it's not about the chicks.
		Those are all symptoms of what he pursues.
		And I love that because I'm like, yeah, I just love the joke part.
		I love that I can write a bit and then that night try it and people love it or they go, what an interesting idea, or that's funny, or that's naughty.
		I've never thought of it like that.
		You know, when you're campaigning on a political trail or whatever, like when you go to like the Trump rally or one of, I don't know what Kamala Harris called her thing, but those aren't undecided voters.
		Those are people who are there because they're already in.
		You're not even talking to anyone who's considering voting for anyone else when you go to a thing like that.
		But with stand-up comedy, when they're in that audience, they're just looking at you and going, Hey, bro, bring me some jokes.
		Yeah.
		And so I can now do jokes about what I think and what I believe.
		And the crowd will listen to me and decide if I'm not funny or funny.
		But you're getting into their ear.
		You're getting into them going, I've never thought of it like that.
		That guy was making some pretty good jokes up there about a subject that I thought I wouldn't hear.
		You know, like, it's just like, I think comedy is such a gift that way.
		But I was like, I was like, I think I'm like Kevin Durant.
		I like the girls and I like the money and I like all I love all that stuff.
		But for me, I did a spot here.
		I can't remember what it was.
		And they were like, dude, we can't thank you enough for coming.
		And I was like, what are you talking about?
		Like, I get up on any fucking stage.
		And you try to slide me money.
		I go, give it to the other guys.
		Like, I came to do this because I was happy you have me on.
		Like, I just couldn't.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's a great attitude.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's so much better to do it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's so much better to tell jokes.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I don't need to be famous.
		That would be a good symptom.
		That'd be a great symptom of it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It also comes with its own problems.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		You know, all those other stuff.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		All the other stuff.
		But that's the best attitude: just love what you do.
		Love what you do.
		And all the success comes because of it.
		But the moment you start thinking about the success only and then making decisions based only on getting and attaining more success instead of thinking about the thing.
		Yeah.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And that's what they do.
		They seduce you.
		They go, want to be in this movie.
		Wanna be the hyenas.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like you were saying.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		But I don't want to be an actor.
		And thank you for the opportunity.
		And I love that you believe you can make some money off me by putting me in that.
		But for me, walking my ass into a place that has a stage and a microphone and being able to be naughty and say anything I'd like and make jokes is so exciting to me.
		If they put a billion dollars in my bank account tomorrow, I'll still go do my spot tonight at the mothership in Fat Man.
		And if tomorrow they said, Jeff, you make zero dollars doing this, you might want to find a day job.
		I'll go, okay, but I'm still doing my spot, right?
		Like, I'm still going to do it.
		No matter what.
		Yeah, I just love it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would do it forever.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's the most fun art form.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, and the fact that we're fortunate enough to be able to do it and make money doing it is incredible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You should be happy.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		If you're fucking complaining, you're missing out.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Oh, dude.
		I won't say this comic's name because, you know, I just don't want any trouble with this guy.
		But I remember I was at a festival and I'm more criticizing his attitude on that night.
		We're in the green room and they were like, so excited to have him because he's a very funny guy and very talented.
		And they said, they go, so how much time do you want to do?
		He was like, how much time am I contracted to do?
		And they were like, oh, well, you know, your book's for 45 minutes, but I was just letting you know you're at the end of the show and everyone's here to see you.
		So just do whatever you want.
		He goes, then I'm doing the 45 minutes.
		And I remember thinking, the fuck is wrong with you?
unidentified		Like, they're happy you're here.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Everyone is excited.
		Yeah, just if you tell me that, bro, I'm on stage for two hours.
		45 minutes good, but I'm going to stay up there, you know, because I like fucking up there.
		You have fun.
unidentified		Boo.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It's not, you're not pouring concrete, dude.
		Like, you get to go tell jokes to these people.
		Like, what an exciting job you have.
		That's exciting.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think where that comes from is like in the beginning, it's like really hard.
		It's hard to do.
		It's hard to get paid.
		It's hard.
		And then you build up a resentment to the point where even after you make it, you take it for granted.
		And now you think, what do I have to do?
		45 minutes, and that's what I'm doing.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Crazy there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're like, instead of like, wow, I made it.
		I could actually, I could actually get paid to go do comedy now.
		I'll get 45 minutes, not important.
		Okay, I'll go fuck around, have some fun.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly like that's so.
		I've worked at Hollywood Video.
		I've worked at any coffee shop that was, like, I've had over like 40 different coffee jobs because I just couldn't keep a job.
		Like, I was always living somewhere different or like pursuing comedy so aggressively that like I just needed a job.
		So I was good at getting the job and then I would fuck off or do something stupid and I'd get like let go or I'd move and just ghost that job.
		You know, I've had all these jobs.
		But whether it was Hollywood Video or Rock Bottom Brewery or whether it was any of these million coffee shops I worked at, I was always the fun guy at the job that made friends with everyone and goofed off because it's more fun to have a good attitude at work and like the job than it is to hate the job.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Because not because the job was great, but because it's going to be a better experience here if I like it, if I at least trick myself into liking it.
		There's nothing, it wasn't my dream to put movies in alphabetical order with dyslexia in Hollywood video, but I want to enjoy my job.
		Like that was more fun to like be happy to be there.
		So now we get to do comedy, which is the dream, and you have that attitude.
		Like I just can't get my mind around that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's some people that think they have to be miserable to be good.
		There's a weird thing that I think some artists feel like they have to kind of suffer in order to be funny.
		Like they have to be upset.
		They have to be angry.
		I used to think that when I was really young and dumb, I was thinking that maybe like I should stop meditating because if I meditate and achieve any kind of enlightenment, I won't think things are so annoying anymore that I could shit on them on stage, which is like a big part of my act.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you didn't want to be happy because you would find.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But that was me at 21 or whatever.
unidentified		Yes.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Well, Jerry Seinfeld, who's one of my favorites ever, despite any of his political beliefs or any of those things, like I really, really respect every time Jerry Seinfeld talks on podcasts or interviews or whatever, because he's like Buddha of comedy, like the way he talks about work ethic and the way he talks about joke writing, the way he's very disciplined.
		He's very good.
		So I always hang on everything Jerry says in those things.
		I think he's the best.
		Look up anytime he's been interviewed.
		But Jerry, although he's clean, right?
		He's a clean comic.
		And although he's a husband and a dad, and no matter what he's labeled as, he seems to be very at peace in his life and very successful and rich.
		He does have this edge to him.
		There still is like an irritability.
		And I think that's probably what you were thinking at 21 of like, I need that.
		I need to be.
		But you could say.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's also smart and he's talking to morons all the time.
		And that's how you get an edge like that.
		Probably doesn't have like a tight crew of cool people that he could just chill with.
unidentified		I agree.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You get alienated.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Smarter than kids.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But you also, you made a billion dollars from a sitcom you did in the 90s.
		You never have to work again for a day in your fucking life.
		You have a hundred Porsches.
		You're just collecting Porsches.
		You're bored as fuck.
		And then morons want to say, you know what my favorite episode was?
		Like, I don't fucking care.
		I don't want to hear this anymore.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure you get that on the time.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Someone wants to tell you a story about a thing and you go, I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think I'm a little more tolerant than him.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But he's, I get it.
		I get why he would be a little prickly.
		Like, some of the questions are really fucking stupid.
unidentified		Oh, for sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There was a big racism controversy about his show.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Comedians in cars drinking coffee.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Which is the way.
		I'm surprised he wasn't.
		He's not more vocal about that, but he did a great thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He was like, I don't care.
		Speak the language of funny.
		If you're funny, I don't care what you are, which is the right answer.
		And a lot of people are like, oh, that sounds racist.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's a great answer.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		If that's racist, you're expecting something that you're not going to get, which you're expecting people to abandon meritocracy in the most meritocracy-based art form.
		You have to have a specific response from people.
		You have to get a laugh.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And you're creating it all yourself.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		There's no talking.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It's just you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That's it.
		And so if it's comedians that you think are funny and they happen to be whatever, it's just who's funny.
		Everything else is bullshit.
		This idea of there's not enough women, there's not enough black people, there's not enough.
unidentified		It's insane.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Stop.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Stop.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		They'll do whatever there's a lot of people.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		There's an interview that goes.
		What do you say to the people who criticize that you don't have enough people of color or blah, blah, blah.
		And he goes, I don't know.
		I'm looking at your audience.
		A lot of whiteies in here.
		That's what he said.
		Oh, it's the best because it's like, it's so true.
		So true.
		Look at your friend groups.
		Look at your life.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, fuck off.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		When you start running it through everyone's genitals and skin color, you could call every culture racist.
		I went to my buddy's family barbecue, who's Polynesian, you know, he's a Pacific Islander guy.
		One real diverse family reunion, right?
		Because that's the beauty of a culture is that you kind of have the whole point of having a culture is to have some advantages.
		I can't just wander into your family's thing and go, how come there's no more, there's not any Filipinos here?
		That's not how it works.
		I always say that.
		I think I've said it a couple times on stage, but like, I wonder if liberals go to like Japan and they're like, this is disgusting.
		You know, it's all Japanese people here.
		It's not very diverse.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I wonder.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Do they go to Russia?
		Oh my gosh.
		Where's the diversity here?
		Like, that's not how things work.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, there's a lot of countries that aren't diverse at all.
		And it's fine as long as they're black.
		You know what I mean?
		It's like all black, it's totally fine.
		But all like Poland's a problem.
		That's a real problem.
		Yeah, it's insane to me.
		Well, it's people are just weird, you know?
		And look, racism is bad.
		So because actual racism is bad, people look for racism all sorts of places and then they start deciding that things are racist.
		Or, you know, they can do with a lot of stuff.
		Like, you know, we were talking about this the other day.
		This idea of silence is violence.
		Like, shut the fuck up.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Nobody ever punched you then.
unidentified		I'll show you some violence.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And then you'll go, hey, can we go back to the silence?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Come to the UFC with me.
		I'll show you what, like, this is what.
		See, that's what violence is.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is a sport of it.
		These are nice people.
		Like, that's actual violence.
		Not fucking words.
		It's definitely not silence.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me.
		And then they start using sticks and stones.
		You go, let's go back to names.
		I'm happy with names.
		There was less blood when you were calling me names.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're being silly.
		Silence is not violence, you fucking idiot.
		That's so dumb.
		Silence is just silence.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		You can't fucking deny it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But it shows what you want, is what you want to force people to comply.
		You want to force people to say what you want them to say.
		Put that black square on your leverage power.
unidentified		Exactly.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And it's a bunch of losers.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's usually a bunch of losers at the wheel of that bus.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're going right off the cliff and they want to bring you with them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, what are you doing?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Not a fun place.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Not fun.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Don't like it.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's not the world we live in.
		Yeah.
		Or it's not the universe that comics like to live in at all.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's the other thing about all these people pushing all these different things to call everybody an issue or whatever the fuck you are.
		You have a phobia, whatever it is.
		All these people seem to be miserable.
unidentified		Yeah.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they don't seem very happy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And the same thing.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And they're proud of their anger.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Which is odd.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like, find some things to love.
unidentified		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot to love in this world.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Comic went on and kill Tony last night.
		He was so great.
		And I am remiss that I don't remember his name.
		And he was able to rattle off, which I'm sure he's done before.
		It's probably in his act, but he was able to rattle off all his interests.
		He's like, oh, I'm in, you know, Universal Studios, let's go.
		Monster Truck Rally.
		Let's do it.
		And I was like, I immediately wanted to be friends with this guy because I'm like, that's how I want to live.
		I live, or I mean, I do live like that.
		And I was like, dude, I can identify with this so much.
		The little kid in me is like, yeah, whatever it is, let's go.
		I go to the gay pride parade.
		I've got a lot of gay friends.
		Let's fucking do it.
		Like, like, whatever it is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's so much better of an attitude.
		It's just like, let's, let's do it all.
		Let's, let's, let's jump in these things.
		Like, that's so much more fun than going, we're not going there because of this, or we're not doing that because of this.
		And this is probably, it's like, it's too exhausting.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, a lot of people like being exhausted because it keeps them active.
		They've got something to think about.
		It's their sports.
unidentified		Yeah, it is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, politics for a lot of people is their sport.
		And it's not just their sports.
		It's like they're fanatical Red Sox fans.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It's the religion.
unidentified		Yeah.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's Red Sox to the death.
		And that's what it is.
		Like, fuck the Yankees.
		That's all it is, man.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		But it's the same thing.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		So the sports one is where I think it's a little different because the Yankees fan doesn't want to murder the Red Sox fan.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Unless you're in the family.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		They still like baseball.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They break people's legs.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sometimes.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		But I'm saying they still like baseball.
unidentified		Yes.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		They can still agree, oh, we're at the ballpark.
		You know, we're having a hot dog.
		And it's like, fuck you.
		And you're like, fuck you.
		And it's fun.
		You know, it's fun.
		But like, the people that claim they hate religion the most are acting their politics out like religious zealots.
unidentified		Right.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		They're going, well, this is, I wouldn't even talk.
		Jimmy Kimmel's wife.
		I can't even talk to them anymore.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I, I, I don't think she's having a hard time talking to them.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I might be, I've watched it a bunch, but so what happened was she said that she was always struggling with it since Trump's been in office.
		But now she doesn't even want to be with these people because it's personal to her.
		That like that now she's made the decision to not, and it's like that's that's where it's a problem.
		Struggling with it's fine.
		Family reins want to have a talk with your aunt who voted for Trump or something.
		I think that's healthy.
		You know, like, let's talk about it.
		Because if you're doing any of these things and you can't defend it, you're probably pretty stupid.
		But when you start going, I won't even be associated with that person because of whatever it is.
		That's a problem.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it doesn't seem smart.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't seem healthy.
		You know, if you don't have any room for disagreement.
		But it's also like the thing between Kimmel and Trump, it's so dumb.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It's very dumb.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's so dumb.
		I can't believe.
		Like, and then he went after what's he went after Jimmy Fallon and Seth Myers as well, right?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Called them losers.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's so dumb.
		I don't understand.
		I guess no one is around to tell him that.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		He must be in a bubble.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's 100% in a bubble, but that's also the way he's behaved his whole life.
		Like, that's how he would attack you if he was on The Apprentice.
		You know, I was supposed to do the Celebrity Apprentice.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I was supposed to do it too, but way after it was good.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I was supposed to do it with Arnold Schwarzenegger.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was supposed to do it with him.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		With Trump.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was when Fear Factor was returning to NBC.
		They asked me to do Celebrity Apprentice, and I thought about it.
		But my kids were really young at the time.
		I didn't want to live in New York.
		And I was like, how long does it take?
		It takes forever.
		And then also like, that guy's going to be mean to me.
		And I'm going to be like, fuck it.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It's not fun.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, that's not going to be fun.
		Like, I'm not good with that.
		You know, I'll get real.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I wonder what your political opinion would be of Trump if you had done Celebrity Apprentice.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
		I think he always had an understanding of how the whole political process worked.
		Like, there's an interesting interview of him way back in the day.
		I think he was talking to Barbara Walters, maybe.
		It was a really old interview where he was talking about maybe one day running for president.
		And this is back when he was a Democrat.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, he was a Democrat for a long time.
unidentified		He's from Queensland.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		He's a New York guy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's a young portion of his life.
		And, you know, I think Elon said it best.
		He's a product of his time.
		You know, and that's the thing.
		This is an almost 80-year-old man who's a real estate guy who likes to see his name in big gold letters.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Loves America.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because that's what he always liked.
		Like, I like my name, big gold letters.
		Like, everything's big and gold.
		That's what he genuinely wrote.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And if people knew that about him, they would give him a little more grace when he says crazy things.
		Because if you read his book, there was a part where he was like, he's like.
		Okay, do you think he really wrote the book?
		No, but I don't think anyone does.
		Dennis Rodman didn't write his book.
		He had a guy follow him.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Some people write their own book for sure.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		But not the majority.
		Or actually, that's not true.
		The majority of people write their own books.
		The majority of celebrities have someone follow them and talk to them in coffee shops.
		Dev goes right up.
		But he was like talking about, he's like, this building's the biggest in New York.
		It's the best.
		And they're like, it's not even the biggest building in this.
		And he goes, you know what I mean?
		Like, it's kind of like.
		And if you know that, then you kind of like give him a little more grace when he's just saying, it's just kind of how he is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's this.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I'm the best.
		It doesn't mean he's really the best.
		It means he's got an attitude of the best.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You saw the BBC thing, right?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		What thing?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He didn't say this thing where BBC got in trouble for editing his speech.
		We talked about it yesterday.
		I'll just tell you real briefly.
		So they took a segment of him saying something and then spliced in a segment of him saying something else from 53 minutes later.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Right, the Storming the Capitol.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Right, from the January 6th.
unidentified		Crazy.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, which is not journalism.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like that is not journalism, but like full-on lying and propaganda.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And it's kind of fucking dangerous.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And those are the things people watch.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's what I say in that shortened bullshit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but these people lost their jobs because of it.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It's a big deal.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And not only that, but like they're getting hounded by reporters.
		They're asking them the answers that they have for why they did what they did.
		It's like crazy.
		They felt, it seems like these people, this is just my opinion.
		It seems like these people felt justified for completely lying because it would lead to an ultimate good.
		So they lost all journalistic integrity.
		And it is the BBC, which is like the height of journalistic integrity.
		If that doesn't show the rot of mainstream corporate-controlled media, then nothing does.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because that's pure rot.
		If at the top of the heap, you got like, in my mind, if like if somebody said something to me and they quoted a source and it was the BBC, I was like, okay, that's like Washington Post.
		That's like New York Times.
		It's a very official source.
		So I'm thinking, this must be real.
		And they turned it into activism and they turned it into lying.
		And they did it in front of everybody where you could clearly just listen to the whole thing and know he didn't say that.
		But that's not how he said it at all.
unidentified		Yeah.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It's like, well, and I think I'm sorry that I keep harping on this, but like that's what AOC or kind of the left I see most guilty of doing is in their brain they go, I know that this is a little like whatever, but it's for our greater good.
unidentified		Right.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		So they're doing that with their own thing.
		Listen, I don't, I'm smart enough to know that Charlie Kirk was trying to make a point about blank.
		But if I twist this a little, it's for the greater good of what I'm trying to do here.
		And so they justify it to themselves.
		They say, oh, well, now I know that I might have been a little political politician-y here, but it's for a greater good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		For a greater good.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And it's vague.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And it's like, listen, look, he hates black people.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's why Obama disappointed me so much during the Kamala Harris campaign.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because he did that thing where he said, you know, that he said that white nationalists are very fine people.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He said, we have very fine people on both sides.
		And when you hear the actual quote and the difference between what they're saying, he said, and what he said was the exact opposite.
		He said, and I'm not talking about neo-Nazis and white nationalists.
		He's like, I forget the exact wordage he used.
		They should be condemned.
		Whatever he said, along those lines.
		He specifically said, not those people.
		I'm talking about people that just didn't want these statues torn down.
unidentified		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That there's very fine people on both sides.
		Some people just go, yeah, Robert E. Lee's a really bad guy.
		But it's like, this is a part of history.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is like, this is just reality.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But that using that during Kamala Harris's campaign, I was like, that's crazy.
		You know what he said.
		You must know.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		They cut it out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But why would you sacrifice what's so valuable is like your stature and your integrity?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Why would you sacrifice that for someone who just probably wasn't going to win anyway?
unidentified		Right.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I don't know if it's money or if it's some sort of oath or if it's intentional, whatever, but like that stuff's so dangerous.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I really like that shortening of like what someone said, taking it out of context.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think there's also the consequences of people going to trial for that RussiaGate stuff.
		Because I think that RussiaGate collusion hoax that they perpetrated on mainstream media for years.
		And a lot of people are really uncomfortable with even saying it was a hoax.
		No, it was a hoax, ladies and gentlemen.
		It was a hoax, and a lot of people coordinated that hoax.
		And there was a lot of people involved.
		And I think they're super sketched out about Trump being president again and possibly digging into that stuff.
		And he's doing that now.
		And you're finding real evidence that the people that you would think the intelligence agencies, you think, what are they here for?
		They're here to make America safe and protect us from problems.
		But it seems like they also meddle.
		And not just meddle, but like completely try to sabotage someone and paint them out in a way that's completely inaccurate, knowingly, willingly, with taxpayer dollars, funding it all.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		For the greater good.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		For their greater good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Bro, I might say very fine people too, if I was doing that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Whatever he's a fucking Nazi.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Let's not.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's Hitler.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Let's say whatever the fuck keep him out of office.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I think that's what happened with the, in a way, that's kind of what happened with like the Epstein list thing.
		I think like the reason you're never going to see that is because there's just too many powerful people that are in that that are on both sides.
		It would kind of be a, not a collapse, but like a social kind of like collapse of like both sides.
		I mean, I don't think there's like that.
		You're not going to find all liberals went to this island.
		You're not going to find all conservatives went to this island.
		You're going to see a list of some of very powerful creeps on everything.
		So it's like both this like stalemate of the right and the left going, maybe we just won't do this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But it's not just that.
		It's this ball of yarn of what did they do with the information?
		What did they, if they did compromise you and they did fly you out to an island, you did have sex with underage girls.
		What did you do then when you were confronted by the fact that they know this?
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What did you do?
		Like what decisions were made?
		What foreign policy decisions were made?
		What financial decisions were made?
		What money got donated?
		How much money transferred back and forth to different accounts because of things that happened there?
		How many huge international decisions were made by people in powerful positions because someone has a video of them doing something very compromising on an island.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's why I'm glad that I, I mean, I might not be very rich or anything, but like if something, you know, if they try to figure out something on me, this would be their research.
		They'd be like, all right, we found Jeff Dead.
		He likes a sprite, you know?
		He also watches pro-rel, like, they'd have nothing.
		They would just be searching.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're not a guy who's trying to run the world.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The thing is, everybody who wants to run the world, everybody wants to be the president.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're all fucking.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		They've all done weird shit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're fucking crazy.
		And then they get into a position where they have like ultimate power and they're putting fucking masks on and fucking each other.
		And that's skull and bones.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy stuff to me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's always been these weird secret societies of people that get really wealthy and they do kooky things and they wife swap.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It's very strange.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		People lose their fucking minds with any kind of power.
		And you got the kind of power where you're literally like running the government.
		You're literally running the whole government.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to do bad stuff.
		Like it's crazy.
		It's like, I guess my brain's just.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You don't want to run the government.
unidentified		I know.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		But if I just, I think to myself, I'm like, it's crazy that there's this much shit on all these powerful people.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Like it's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's not crazy though, because you think, like, what is their pursuit?
		It's just like very bizarre pursuit because either they really are for the people and they really want to make the world a better place.
		Well, then you're not going to get anything on them because then they're Bernie Sanders.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You got nothing.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they just.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You got nothing.
		You know, he might not be effective, but you don't have anything on him.
		That's it.
		He's not going to compromise.
		He doesn't have to.
		He got nothing on him.
		Or you got someone who wants to be a leader for some strange reason, and they're really not that extraordinary, but they're in a really shallow pool of talent.
		Because that's the real truth about running for president or running for governor or running for mayor, is it's a fucking shallow pool of talent.
		Because most people that have any kind of fucking talent talking don't want that job.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Why would I want that job?
		Why would I want people to fucking shoot at me?
		Why would I want half the country to fucking hate me no matter what I do?
		Why would I want to get in and find out that this intertwined web of fucking money and power and influence?
		There's no way to fix it.
		And I'm just going to sit here for four years being a bad guy in a stupid White House.
unidentified		Fuck that.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Because you took a photo with something on it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So the people that want that are all out of their fucking minds.
		And they're all kooks.
		They're all Gavin Newsoms.
		They're all Kamala Harris's and Donald Trumps.
		And they're all kooky people.
		And some of these kooky people will do a better job than other kooky people, but only kooky people want the job.
		And until that changes, and until not just kooky people want the job, not non-kooky people want the job of being president, but non-kooky people involved in Congress and the Senate and everything.
		Regular, rational people that can have real conversations and not try to diminish whoever you're talking to in every most reductionist way possible.
		Make them out to be a moron because they're on the other side.
		Actual solving of problems without you doing it at the behest of these massive corporations that have been donating to you.
		So you have to bullshit your way and gaslight people and you can't be honest about your real opinions.
		That's the real fucking problem with that whole system.
		It is absolutely contaminated by both money and the promise of money in the future if you play ball.
		That's where it gets real weird.
		They leave government jobs and start working for pharmaceutical drug companies that they were regulating just 16 months ago.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It's like crazy.
		It's like X or like Twitter.
		It's like nobody's on there to go.
		Oh, I'm going to try and find some people's ideas.
		It's all like debate culture.
		You could put the most simple thing and you have 700 people who just want to go, but the goal is to debate and argue and get into win and dunk on your opponent and make someone say there's not like nobody, like you said in the beginning, is like nobody's trying to just go, I think I really want to make it fair.
		No one's saying that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, what's even more fun is Blue Sky.
		You ever go to Blue Sky?
		If you make an account, even in your name, you say, Jeff Dye, I bet you'll be banned.
		I would bet you'll be banned within 20 minutes.
		Yes.
		Yeah, you're problematic.
		You're a toxic person.
		What is it?
		You're heterosexual.
		You're a cisgendered male.
		Which is what?
		We already had male.
		We don't need to add that.
		I'm not doing it.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I thought I got to choose my pronouns.
		Why do they get to put cyst on me?
		Cis on me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But if you go there, I saw this one conversation where someone said they were talking about something saying, I'm trying to be Zen about it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then the next person said, try not to be racist against Asian people from Zen.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's insane.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's whack-a-mole.
		They just sit there ready to whack.
		They're just ready for someone to pop up with any micro aggressions, any diversions from the narrative.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It's so exhausting.
		I've never heard of this.
		It's like a liberal kind of like Facebook or something.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Most people bailed on it.
		So a lot of people like Stephen King said, I'm going over a post guy.
		They all decided to go over to Blue Sky because Trump let them say whatever they want on Twitter and they just didn't like the reality of the world.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And so they're like, this is bullshit.
		I'm leaving.
		And they all come back.
		They all come back to Twitter because X is more fun.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's nuts, but it's way more fun than everybody just calling you racist for everything.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I do think that's the current problem with the world.
		I know that's very vague, but like people just want to win the talk.
		Nobody wants to have the talk.
unidentified		Right.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		So it's more about like, well, here's what you haven't thought about this.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Like it's, it's like, it's like, why are you talking at anyone like that?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Like, hear them out.
		And then they also have the give them the luxury of being wrong.
		It's okay to be wrong.
		I'm wrong all the time.
		But like, like, the only way I can be right is if I say the wrong thing and I learn.
unidentified		All right.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's, that's, we should be having conversations, not arguments.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But the thing is, now you attach that to politics and you literally have to win the arguments because that's what the whole game is.
		The whole game is like get up in front of all those people and state your claim and diminish the claim of your opponent.
		And that's it.
		It's stupid.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But they have to do it because they have to get elected because if they don't get elected, then they don't have power.
		And if they don't have, once they get into power, then they have to use that power for their constituents and for the people that help them get into power.
		So there's a bunch of fucking needs of these.
		And there's a bill you want to put this in the bill because it's going to help the oil sector or this in the bill is going to help chips.
		Woo!
		And so, of course, you're going to put a mask on and go fuck a guy.
		You're crazy.
		You're doing a crazy job.
		You're doing ecstasy.
		You're hanging out with all these people that are running the world.
		Of course, you're sucking dick with a VHS camera somewhere.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's why I'm walking around town with a leather mask being walked by my boyfriend.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They can't take it anymore.
		They're living an insane life where they're producing no value.
		So there's nothing they're doing where, unless they're real.
		Like that's one of the things about Bernie Sanders.
		Love him or hate him.
		That's a real guy, and he has real beliefs, and he's been steadfast about these real beliefs from the beginning of his career.
		There's a photo of him that we showed on the podcast of him getting arrested at a civil rights protest in the 1960s, I think it was.
		He's always been that guy.
		That's who he is.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Which is great.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		If you're not that, then what are you doing?
		You're trying to just get ahead.
		You're trying to win.
		You're trying to gaslight the best.
		You're trying to make your way through this weird game where you could be a senator or you could be a governor.
		And then maybe you could be the president.
		You have eyes on the throne.
unidentified		First thing I'm going to do is take that tacky fucking gold leaf off the wall.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Trump put gold leaf everywhere.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		He likes gold.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What's wrong with gold?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It looks kind of about his home decor.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's the White House.
		There was people complaining he made the White House look tacky.
		It looks beautiful.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, who cares?
		You don't live there.
		I don't give a shit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, they just don't want him doing that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They don't want him, like...
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Didn't he do it with his own money and stuff?
		I mean, they've always done that.
		And Taft put a fucking, he invented the hot tub on accident because he was like, that tub won't fit me.
		I'm too fat.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And then forever, like, people will go, oh, yeah, didn't Taft, even that big fat guy got stuck in a tub?
		And it's not true.
		He was just a big guy, made a funny joke.
		And for now, like now all these young people are like, oh, yeah, Taft, the big fat guy, they got stuck in a tub.
		It's not true.
		He accidentally made a he just made a modification to the White House and it basically invented a hot tub.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, people are also upset that he's making a ballroom.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You see, he's making this giant ballroom.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It's all.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't bother me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And he found out you're allowed to.
		And then he goes, what's the deal with permits?
		They're like, you don't have to get any permits.
		You're the president.
		You can just build it.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		He's like, he's like, amazing.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		As a real estate guy, he's like, that's fucking great.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		For a guy like that, it's like, you just gave him the coolest fucking present ever.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He can make a beautiful, beautiful ballroom.
		And people are so mad.
		And they were saying that it was a waste of taxpayer money, but it turns out it's not.
		It's all donations.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I think you can look this up, but I think Obama spent like $350 million of taxpayer money making modifications to the White House.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think that's true, too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And like, did you?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		No one cared.
		And I don't care about that either.
		I'm not using that as a what about.
		I'm saying I also don't care that Obama did it.
		I don't give a shit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Can I get a receipt?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		$350 million?
		What did you do?
		Like, what costs $350 million to a house that's already standing?
		Could you imagine it if you're a construction guy gave you a bill like that?
		Like, I just want to fix it up nice.
		Let's do all this.
		And then send me a bill.
		And you get a bill, it's $350 million.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		You're like, hey, I need to talk to the foreman here.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Here's the thing about the White House.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's not that big.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's not that big, dude.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		There's some pretty beautiful houses for $1.5 million.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's a whole house.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A whole house.
		$350 million is so much money.
		Did you make another house underneath the house?
		What happened?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, how did that happen?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A tunnel to a giant arena that's under the ground?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Maybe the guy gets $500,000 an hour to do the construction or something because I don't understand.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's doing it at the White House.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He needs to get paid more.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It's like weddings.
		They're like, I'd like to buy a cake.
		And they go, sure, $40.
		And he goes, for my wedding, $5,000.
		They just changed the price.
unidentified		You what?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I needed a bunch of flowers.
		You gave me a great rate.
		But then the second it's for a wedding, those flowers are now like this crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Maybe that's what White House prices.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because they know it's taxpayer money.
		But $350 million seems like real excessive.
		I'd like to know what they did.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Didn't one of the, was it Nixon or somebody make a bowling alley in there?
unidentified		Nice.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's a cool thing to be.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm a president too.
		Is that what they do?
		Like, you're allowed to just, you're going to be there for four years.
		Just put a bowling alley in.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I think you get to, I don't know if that's true, but somebody put a bowling alley in over a pool or something I read.
		But also, I didn't care.
		I just go, sure.
		If I was president, I'd probably make some adjustments.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You see, he took Biden's photo down and put a picture of the autopen up.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I did see that.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		I didn't know if it was real.
		I have a real struggle with what I see is real or not.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It might not be real.
		Let's find out if it is real.
		I think it is real, though.
		I think that's what I heard.
		Obama's era project covered renovations.
		Trump knocked down a whole bunch of $376.
		Okay.
		$376 million cost to improve the East and West Wings infrastructure.
		Peck described the project as largely underground utility work.
		Doesn't do a whole lot of good to have a building that's sort of an image of the free world standing up there and not functioning well.
		Peck told CNN when questioned about the cost.
		Bloomberg News reported in 2010 the Obama renovation was the biggest White House upgrade since President Harry Truman was in office 48 to 52.
		Truman oversaw the White House historic gutting, renovation, and expansion in response to significant structural issues that at one point resulted in the leg of his daughter piano breaking through the floor.
		Trump's project would be the first major exterior change of the White House in 83 years.
		Historic preservationists say.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		You know, I read that and I just said, oh my God, because the leg of his daughter, and then it's the leg of his daughter's piano.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I read it too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I was like, oh, no.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Just the piano broke.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was very deceptive the way they typed that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just the piano leg.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		His daughter's leg.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Piano went through the floor.
		One of the piano legs went through the floor.
		Not the daughter.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		His daughter's legs.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Why did you bring her up?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're freaking me out.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		She's not in this store.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I thought a kid broke her leg.
		I was panicking.
		It's just a fucking stupid piano.
		But that building's not that big.
		So I guess that makes more sense, though.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		They had to do like crazy underground infrastructure shit that probably wasn't heating, cooling, and fire alarm systems that hadn't been updated since 1902 or 1934.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Still, I'd like to see a receipt.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Also, feeling ripped off.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I used to always say, I don't think that any president ever is at the White House.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Or they go to the White House, but they don't live there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they do.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		You think that they live there?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do they have a residency?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think there's like a tunnel to a different place that's another building, but they live in that building.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Because why would you want to put the most powerful person in America in the most famous address in America?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		People ideas.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's the secret service.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		You know, we keep them secret.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Don't give them ideas.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It is weird because you know where he sleeps all the time.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Right, that's crazy.
		You have more security and anonymity than knowing where someone powerful is.
		Like, that's crazy.
		Even no matter how much security you have, the secret is the best part of it.
		That's why secret service is good.
		You want a secret address.
		You want a secret home.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You want to move them around.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Don't have them in the same spot every night.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I think the White House has called it the famous, the most famous address in America.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Like, they say it's the most famous address.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It is the most famous.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		So why would you put someone so powerful in the most famous?
		Like, I just think that, like, even when I was in high school, I was like, I bet that they.
		I'd like to think that we're not keeping the president in a place that everyone knows about.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		But they do.
		Hopefully no one's listening to this and you gave him an idea.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I hope not either.
		Violence is bad.
		That's the point.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember back in the Obama administration when that crazy person broke into the White House?
unidentified		Yeah.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Got pretty far.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Didn't you have a bit about it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he had a bit of a situation.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There was a lady guarding the door without a gun.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		What are we doing?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That is crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's so crazy.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It might have given someone some ideas.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Like, I could get pretty far.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Bro, that guy got all the way in.
		If it wasn't for a off-duty Secret Service guy who saw that guy running through the fucking White House and he tackled him, he just happened to be there.
		He wasn't even on duty.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		What did they think?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Just like, well, no one's breaking.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like, well, who would do that?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Like, that's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We're fine.
		Yeah, it's so crazy.
		People that have never been around crazy people, they don't know why lobotomies were done in the first place.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Back then, people were like, enough of Mike.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We got to slow Mike down.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Let's crack.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Or you see, like, you work at like a homeless place and you go, oh, I kind of get it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		You go, yeah, you could kind of go, oh, these people, I don't know.
		I don't know.
		You know, they've done so much stuff and drugs and traumas and all that.
		And you just kind of go, I could see how in the olden times they would go, these people are broken.
		Let's, you know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Especially if they're not medicated.
		Like, there's out and out, like hardcore mental illness involved in most of the homelessness.
		A large percentage of it, at least.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, which is a controversial statement, but it's 100% true.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, the mental illness leads to drug addiction, drug addiction, self-medicating, you know, a lot of trauma, a lot of things, a lot of factors.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But the answer to that isn't just let them camp.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Let them be in front of your house whacking off, shouting bomb threats.
		Like, that's not ignoring it isn't the solution.
		Yeah.
		Not talking about it is not the solution.
		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't think lobotomy is the way to go, but I don't, I don't know.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I just meant like in the 30s, they would see that and go, you know, let's put this guy in a room.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, in the 30s, I bet people in the there was a bunch of people that were in shanty towns in New York City back during the Depression.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The Depression was so bad that New York City had like, you know, like these little handmade houses like that people had built.
		You ever see any of that stuff?
		See if you can find shanty towns from New York City from the Great Depression.
		Yeah, man, it must have been so dangerous.
		I mean, it's basically homeless encampments in the middle of Central Park, and there's no jobs, man.
		There's no jobs and there's no fucking.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		In the Depression.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No.
		Isn't that crazy, man?
		Imagine living out there, how dangerous that would be.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's downtown Denver, right there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And that's all because of the motherfucking bankers.
		That's all because of the bankers.
		They crashed the stock market.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Was just hearing something really crazy where someone was making a connection between Rockefeller and alcohol being during Prohibition that one of the competing fuel sources back then was ethanol.
		I don't even know if this is true, but that Rockefeller had control of oil and they were using oil to make pharmaceutical drugs.
		So like most of the drugs that people buy, the reason why they started doing it that way is because Rockefeller, because he had control of the oil.
		And this was saying that he wanted to stop them, people from using ethanol.
		So he wanted, he thought the best way to do that was to make it so that no one could have the ability to produce alcohol.
		And the best way to do that is to make a prohibition about alcohol.
		But it sounds crazy.
		It says it's a myth.
		Let's see why they say it's a myth.
		John D. Rockefeller is often blamed for using prohibition to eliminate ethanol as a competing fuel source to gasoline from his standard oil business.
		But this is a myth.
		Rockefeller supported the temperance movement primarily for religious and social reasons.
		Okay, that's the excuse that's publicly stated that he supported alcohol prohibition for religious and social reasons, believing alcohol consumption was harmful and aiming for a more productive workforce.
		So this is the problem with it.
		These are not quotes.
		This is like someone saying why this guy supported banning alcohol and not, yes, he did work to ban alcohol and yes, he did benefit from it because ethanol was taken out.
		That is true.
		So ethanol as a fuel was not banned, it's saying, explicitly allowing, even promoted the use of high-proof alcohol for scientific research, fuel, or other lawful industries during prohibition.
		Ethanol as a fuel was not banned.
		In fact, some industrialists, including Rockefeller, dabbled in ethanol fuel production.
		Henry Ford also pursued ethanol fuel development during this time.
		Okay, so I take back what I said.
		So it's not that it was banned.
		So that doesn't make any sense then.
		It would make sense if somehow or another, but could you, if you were using ethanol, though, the thing is, like if you stop people from making their own alcohol, if you make it illegal to make your own alcohol, you definitely can't make your own fuel.
		And then you can't use ethanol because you can actually make ethanol with corn.
		That's how they make it.
		So I could see how you would say if you wanted to sell more gasoline, you would make it so people can't make their own fermentation and you can't make your own alcohol.
		And one of the best ways to stop people from making their own alcohol would be the prohibition of alcohol.
		You know what I'm saying?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like it doesn't seem that clean to me.
		That looks like a little squirrely.
		Like he supported a prohibition of alcohol because of morals, but yet he was like really involved in a lot of shady shit that seemed like he was very controlled.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Those religious beliefs were sidelined.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Also, he had a part in the structuring of the education system to make people good little factory workers.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Get them up early, get them to school quickly before the parents can give them any sense of how the world really works.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then brainwash them.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Bring them in.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Get them in there and make good workers out of them.
		He was a big part of that as well.
		That guy had a lot of power.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's he'd have been an interesting guy in politics.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So it's not true that he, that ethanol, that they prohibited it, but it is true that they kind of eliminated people making their own alcohol.
		And if you're not, if people aren't like making engines from ethanol, because most people are using gasoline at the time, it seems like they don't have the materials.
		Yeah.
		It would be a good way to stop people from making their own gas, and then you'll sell more gas.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I tried to buy something recently because I had like a chest cough.
		And they're like, you should get this shit.
		And then I went to the Riot Aid or whatever it was.
		And they're like, oh, that's behind the counter.
		So I go up and ask her for it.
		She needs my ID.
		She beeps my ID.
		And I go, Why?
		She goes, Oh, because enough of this, you can make meth.
		And I go, Really?
		She goes, Yeah.
		So we have to make sure that the person, like, that it's kind of documented who bought it and how much.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like Sudafed, right?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think that is something like that.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And then I was like, oh, shit.
unidentified		And I need 700 of these.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But like, I didn't even know that's how guys were making meth.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		You got to regulate all that kind of stuff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You imagine how bad that meth was.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You got some assholes that go to the grocery store and just clean up the pharmaceutical aisle.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's the sad part about addiction, man.
		You'll see like these homeless guys drinking mouthwash.
		You're like, how bad has it got?
		That you're just like chugging Listerine in an alley to get drunk.
		Like that's, I mean, that's a, that's.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What is a really good buzz?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I guarantee it's a good buzz.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Like, and your breath's great.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Can you imagine a Listerine buzz?
unidentified		Ugh.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Imagine a Listerine buzz.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I mean, sometimes I have tequila.
		I don't drink anymore, but sometimes I would have tequila, and that felt like mouthwash.
		You know, you have like a shitty, cheap tequila, and you go, oh, I just don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you know a large percentage of tequila apparently is fake?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's not made with agave.
unidentified		Really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there was a big scandal.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		See if you can find anything on that.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		But it still got people drunk.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Yeah, yeah.
		But I think the scandal was that people were saying that it was like real tequila, like legit tequila made from agave.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But it wasn't.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's just like fucking some shitty alcohol.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Some nonsense.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That counts.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's tequila.
		I know, but I mean, I guess scammers probably thought, like, if they were scammers.
		So who knows who's doing it along the way?
		Maybe it's the manufacturer.
		Maybe it's the original person.
		Who knows?
		But they didn't think someone was going to check.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's kind of strange.
		I think about all those kind of things.
		Like, I remember they were doing this big campaign.
		They're like, McDonald's uses real beef now.
		I'm like, what were they using?
		Like, what do you mean?
		Like, if the tequila company would now market, like, no, this is now real tequila.
		You'd be like, what were we drinking?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is a proposed class action lawsuit filed in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of New York.
		Goes on to allege that both brands fail to meet the regulatory requirements to label themselves as 100% agave in Mexico and the United States, even though they carry that distinction on their labels.
		So what are these brands?
		Click on that link where it says those brands.
		Oh, Casamigos and Don Julio machine.
		Significant amounts of non-agave alcohol despite being labeled as 100% agave.
		Customers named the suit claimed that they purchased the products under the assumption that the tequilas were made exclusively from Blue Weber agave and paid prices reflective of that premium designation.
		Somebody's cutting the product, son.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's how it goes.
unidentified		No one's paying history repeating itself over and over and over.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And those are big ones.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Those are like, I didn't expect it to be something I've heard of.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But here's the question: who did it?
		Right?
		You got to follow that web to go, okay, where did that money come from?
		Is it that guy?
		Is it like a manufacturer?
		Is it someone who's in the plant?
		Is it someone?
		Are they skimping?
		Are they ripping them off?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Like, who did it?
		Yeah.
		Who did it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, I mean, if you're an asshole and you're running the distillery and you're like, fuck those Don Julio people.
		And we have to.
		And you're like, I know how to make it better.
		I can make more money.
		And then he skims.
		We're going to need 100 grand.
		It only costs 40.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Greedy, greedy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Who knows?
		Who knows?
		It's probably a tangled web of scumbags that were using the company to make money.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		When I first worked at Giggles Comedy Club, the owner, like we didn't really have a green room.
		We're just kind of in the back world, like the soda tubes are going from the boxes of syrup and all the bottles of alcor back there.
		And he had one bottle of every kind of like top shelf liquor, but he would just pour shitty liquor in there, like with funnels, like totally against the law.
		Just like funneling like the cheapest tequila he could get in like the finest tequila bottle.
		And then when people would, people would constantly bring it back, like, this tastes wrong.
		He goes, you saw me pour it from the bottle.
		And they're like, yeah, I guess.
		I don't know.
		But I watched him do that so many times.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's hilarious.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because he could charge like this, you know.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Crazy amount and then you just get the shittiest, cheapest tequila from like Costco or wherever the heck.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's so gross.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I know that's so gross.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I watch how many people do that all over the world.
		There's a lot of that going on.
		There was there was a great documentary about that.
		It's called uh, sour grapes and it's all about these wine guys that got duped.
		They were buying this wine that was like Thomas Jefferson's wine.
		Some dude was making it.
		Some dude in Century City was like making the the, the labels, putting over the bottle, putting dirt on yeah, he was totally doing that and he was mixing a bunch of cheap wine to try to come up with this flavor.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		So weird, like it's always this was it a big wine guy like oh yeah, oh really oh dude he he, this is how he up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He ripped off the COKE Brothers to a big like yeah, and they had.
		They bought some old ass like Thomas Jefferson wine and it wasn't real.
		And then they they also had some magnums from a company that never made magnums during that year they're during that era and this actual wine guy saw their seller and started putting what is this right?
		And he says that's this and that he goes, no no no they, they don't do that.
		This is not from that.
		This is fake.
		And he was like what?
		And so then they have a lot of resources obviously, so they're like release the house and then they you know, they caught him.
		They get enough evidence that they can raid this guy's house, and so when they raid this guy's house, they find like a whole manufacturing thing.
		He's got dirt and water.
		He's rubbing it on the labels.
		He's like making the labels old and that's hilarious.
		He's reusing old labels from wine that he had bought somewhere else and re-corking it and sealing it.
		Oh, total scumbag.
		And he sold millions of dollars worth of like figures wine to all these dorks that are like these dorks.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and they're all, oh, I spent this much on this.
unidentified		Yeah, it has um, an essence of tannin.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's a, a woody, a woody aftertaste, almost chocolate.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I tasted chocolate.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I wish who caught him was a Somme, like someone who was actually like, no, this tastes like shit and like i'd be like, oh, it's real, like there is one Somonye in that documentary that these other guys were like sniffing it, going.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is this, is the real stuff, is it?
		The other guy gets it, he goes, no, this is crap.
		What is this shit?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I love that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And the, which is like a huge insult to the other fellows, like oh, I don't, and they don't want to say they got duped.
unidentified		No no no, this is the best, the best grapes during the best year.
unidentified		I have it.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I have the grapes.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Can't you taste the hint of Costco?
unidentified		You don't taste the box on this wine taste trade-o-joke.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's hilarious.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		What a weird thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's a weird thing man, but it's a fascinating documentary because it shows you what that thing really is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like this weird club that they all belong to where they get real nerdy Nerdy about a flavor that's not that good.
unidentified		Good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's not that bad.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		But you want the finest, so you believe.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The best wine is not nearly as good as Kool-Aid.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's far superior to the best wine ever.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but it's not exclusive.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's Kool-Aid.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But it's like such a weird thing that some of it is so expensive and so revered that they have auctions for it.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		The autograph world is full of a bunch of bullcrap like that.
		Like, if you collect athletes' autographs and stuff, I'm friends with the guys at Icon Autograph in San Diego or whatever.
		And they're great guys, but like, I'll send them a photo of a thing and be like, this is selling at this like, you know, hotel lobby.
		So they have those, you know, when you walk in, it'll be like a photo of Taylor Swift framed, and it's just like cut her autograph on it.
		It's selling for like $5,000 or whatever.
		And I sent him a thing because the item was so unique that I was like, this is pretty special.
		It was a baseball autographed by Joe DiMaggio and Marilyn Monroe.
		To have both those names like on the baseball, I was like, there's no way this is at a silent auction right now for like a thousand bucks.
		I sent it to my autograph guy and he goes, dude, there's like one of those in the world and it sold at auction for like millions or whatever.
		So this guy, just somebody, like the guy you're describing putting dirt on the thought he could pull one over and probably did.
		I mean, I didn't go whistleblow or anything, but like he definitely does.
		Someone just wrote Joe DiMaggio on a baseball in Marilyn Monroe and put it in a fancy case.
		And, you know, some schmuck has that right now in his living room telling everybody about those ball he bought.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I committed suicide a week after the story went viral over the summer.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh my God.
		He admitted to counterfeiting over $350 million in gear after police raid warehouses and then he killed himself.
		The dealer says the scheme grew to be an addiction.
unidentified		Wow.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		What did he?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		All sorts of fake autographs.
unidentified		Oh yeah.
unidentified		Oh my gosh.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		All sorts of bullshit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So of course there's a lot of that.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Oh, dude, tons of it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		People repacking things.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're always going to have that.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		That's wild.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It's just what?
		I guess people's risk reward is fascinating to me too.
		Like, you know about the Chauncey Phillips thing?
		What's that?
		He was the head coach.
		He's a Hall of Fame.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, this is the NBA thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Hall of Famer.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The money scam.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And then he's the coach of the Portland Trailblazers.
		So you have money coming in.
		You're not desperate.
		And then you're going to risk your entire reputation.
		You're going to risk your entire bank account by doing gambling and doing all this dumb shit.
		I'm like, why would like at that point you think no more risks?
		Like you're pretty good.
		Why do corruption?
		Why have all this gambling nonsense?
		It makes no sense to me.
		I get it if my friend does it who's broke and is like, dude, I had to pull some bullshit.
		You know, times are tough.
		This guy's the head coach for the Portland Trailblazers.
		What are you doing?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think people get addicted to just pulling things off.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's what that one was saying: is that this guy said he was like, wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, people are nuts, man.
		Like, gambling addiction is a weird one, man.
		And I think some of those guys, maybe they get a bunch of losses and then they want to get it back by rigging a game.
		You know what I mean?
		But they want to make it like so they definitely are going to win and they feel funny.
		It's like fun to get over.
		Like you rigged a game.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Tricked them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		There's two baseball players for the Cleveland Indians right now.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		They bring that video where he accidentally struck people out and he's pissed.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		He used to go strike out.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		He's like, fuck these two players.
unidentified		They'll never be.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		He's supposed to throw balls.
		Yeah, for $5,000 a pitch, which is, you know, kind of chump change to guys who make $30 million a year.
		You know, like, that's not like, that's good money for me, but that's not good money for these guys.
		And they're like supposed to throw a ball at a certain time or walk a player.
		Like, they were doing these different things.
		And they caught him.
		You know, these guys.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So the prop bets thing is the weird one, right?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And that's what makes it weird that like draft kings and all these things are such a big part of sports now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right, because you're just going to have organized criminals that get involved in that and exploit it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's a UFC problem right now.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a UFC fight.
		So this was a story.
		A lot of the UFC has an organization.
		I don't know what organization they use.
		Maybe you could find out, Jamie.
		That monitors unusual betting activity in any fight.
		So the moment there's any unusual betting activity, they contact the UFC.
		The UFC contacts this fighter.
		It says, hey.
		You're the favorite to win this fight.
		There's a lot of unusual betting activity on you to lose.
		Like, are you okay?
		Is everything fine?
		Are you injured?
		No.
		No, I'm fine.
		I'm going to kill this fucking guy.
		Okay.
		Has anybody contacted you about this fight?
		No.
		So he goes out, loses in the first round, gets submitted, rear-naked choke, doesn't look good.
		Immediately, the UFC says we called the FBI.
		So now, apparently, there's an investigation of many fights.
		Right.
		And there's a web, it seems like, of people that have contacted fighters and said, I will give you X amount of dollars if you lose this fight.
		Yeah.
		And a bunch of people have said no to it and publicly talked about how they said no to it.
		You know, really good fighters and even went on to lose the fight, you know, unfortunately, and didn't get the money, but were open about it.
		Yeah.
		So it's one, like Patchy Mix, who was Bellator champion, came over to the UFC, and he said that someone, I think he said somebody offered him $70,000 or something like that to lose a fight.
		Something crazy.
		I might be wrong if it was him that said that number.
		It might have been someone else.
		But so they're offering dudes like a big pile of cash to lose to a fighter that they might have losed might lose to him anyway.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, like it's probably a tight matchup anyway.
		But if you definitely lose, so what do you do?
		You don't fight as hard.
		You make mistakes.
		You do something stupid.
		You know, you let them take you back.
		You get choked out.
		And if you're good at defense, you might be able to, as long as you're getting submitted, you're probably not going to get hurt that bad.
		And you'll be able to make an extra 70 grand.
		When you might be getting 10,000 to fight, right?
		So now all of a sudden you got 80 grand.
		I don't agree with it, obviously.
		I think it's fucking terrible.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Are you allowed to bet on yourself to win?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Is that a thing?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know fighters have in the past.
		Because I think UFC fighters right now are not capable of betting on the UFC.
		I think it's not just the fighters, but the commentators, the coaches, referees, everybody.
		No one's supposed to be betting on the UFC because there was another betting scandal.
		And so the other betting scandal was there's this guy who is a active MMA fighter and a really good coach.
		And he got accused of using this Discord server.
		And they were running like a gambling Discord server.
		And a bunch of money came in on this dude to lose in the first round.
		And he went out there and he lost in the first round.
		And the word was that he was hurt and that it had been expressed to these people, bet against him because he's going to lose in the first round.
		And a lot of people made money.
		So this guy gets investigated.
		The UFC bans him.
		I don't know what the status of his case is, but they also banned the fighters that were training out of that gym.
		I think I don't know if this guy, see if this guy who just got in trouble, if he was connected to that gym, the gym is James Krause's gym.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because I was fine with it.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		If they want to bet to win, you're like, I love that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I love that, too.
		The thing is...
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Easy to trace.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When you were talking about prop bets and stuff like that, lose in the first round.
		You could just definitely lose in the first round and everybody makes $100,000.
		You know what I mean?
		Some people are going to take that.
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Especially if a guy is like pretty good, but realistically is not going to be a world champion.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, maybe you're 32, maybe you've got a lot of fucking...
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Maybe you're Mike Tyson fighting Jake Paul.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You might have alimony you have to pay off.
		You might have child support you have to pay off.
		You're in debt, and that's why you're fighting in the first place.
		And someone comes along and you're out of the hole now.
		You're going to get $100,000 to throw, and they're just going to bet a ton of loot on you.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And they're going to hope nobody notices.
		But I guess now people are noticing it.
		And you can kind of see if someone's not fighting back.
		And that was the thing about this fight.
		I got to see it, obviously, when I knew the controversy.
		I didn't see it live.
		So I didn't have fresh eyes.
		I didn't see it live and go, God, why is that guy fighting off the choke so badly?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		There's a bunch of NBA guys.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Some Instagram account is really good.
unidentified		He found it.
unidentified		Excuse me.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Just dry throat.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How do you sip of water?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I got nothing.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Why do you sip of water?
unidentified		Yes.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		He was pretty cool.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		We have previously coached by James Cross.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Come on, Waterloo.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Say that again, Jim?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		He was previously coached by James Cross.
unidentified		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So this guy who allegedly threw this fight was also coached by this guy who was involved in the betting scandal.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's why computers are good.
		It's those kind of little things where you can find that like, oh, this is on you.
		Like computers help in that way for sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's a tangled web if you're involved with people that are making money gambling and not on the square.
		So the thing is, if you're just gambling on the square, if you just watch a fight like Pereira versus Ankhalaev 2 and you say, I like Pereira to get that title back.
		I'm going to fucking, I'm going to put my money where my mouth is.
		I'm putting too large, too large on Pohoton.
		Let's go.
		That's totally fine.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And fun.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		But when it gets to you have a prelim fighter and he's only making 10 grand and someone offers him, you're going to get choked in the first round.
		And he's like, okay, I got it.
		I got it.
		I got it.
		And the opponent probably doesn't even know.
		So this guy has to figure out a way to give this guy back.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Oh, that's kind of funny.
		He's like leading him.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you have to give it to him.
		You have to give it to him.
		There's been fights like that.
		There's been fixed fights for sure.
		Oh, for sure.
		Has to be.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Especially in boxing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's weird.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Because those boxers are, their lives are so tough.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, they've always done that throughout history.
		Guys have taken dives.
		You know, especially if you weren't connected enough.
		You know, if you were a guy that wasn't with a big-time manager who had a big-time lawyer and probably mob ties.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Mob ties, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They all had mob ties.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You had to have mob ties.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to lose a fight if the whole mob's going to kill my wife or something.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Bro, you don't think Rocky Marciano had mob ties?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		For sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		If you're the heavyweight champion of the world and you're Italian, all the mobsters want to be your friend.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And you're a boxer?
unidentified		They love that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Flatlining everybody.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It's funny to find out how many of these old guys didn't even like the sports.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		They just liked all the money part of it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, Marciano talked about it like that.
		Like it's just my job.
		But that guy was the freakiest training person I've ever heard of in boxing.
		Like the freakiest training regiment.
		It was crazy.
		Like part of what made Marciano so good was that he never got tired because he had this insane work ethic.
		And he lost one fight when he was younger, I think in the amateurs, because he got tired.
		And he decided after that fight, he was never going to lose a fight ever because he got tired.
		So he just put himself through this fucking insane routine where he would get up in the morning before any training.
		He would run 10 miles.
		He would do his training.
		He would hit the heavy bag for hours.
		Then he would swim miles in the lake after training.
		He would spar 100 rounds a week.
		He would just get to the point where, you know, we're talking about redlining?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And he did the same thing.
		He redlined to the point where he couldn't do it anymore, and then he retired undefeated.
		But does that red line, that kind of thing that he was doing, you can't do forever.
		And I watched this video about it the other day.
		I'm like, this is bananas.
		Just to watch that guy's work ethic.
		And back when nobody had anything.
		You have no creatine.
		There's no vitamins.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		You know what I think about when you say the redlining thing?
		And maybe it's just because I'm influenced by his, like, the videos he posts and the things he does.
		But every time I know Michael Chandler, and like every time I see this guy, like he's like, oh, you're in Arizona?
		Like, swing by the gym.
		And he's like, throwing the thing again.
		Like, he's just always in this.
		I'm going to shoot a TV show tomorrow, but I got to work out it.
unidentified		Like, he's always so tremendous disciplined.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Full on.
unidentified		Yeah.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Like, I've never seen him going, oh, I'm taking a month off, or we're going to the pool.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's why he's still elite at 38.
		I believe he's 38 now, right?
		How old is Michael Chandler?
		I believe he's 38.
		But that's why he's so elite.
		He's never gotten out of shape.
		39.
unidentified		Wow.
unidentified		39.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because that guy, people don't even know about the wars that he got in with Eddie Alvarez when they were at Bellator.
unidentified		Bellator.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's what I met him as Bellator.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		One of the greatest fights in MMA history went unseen by a giant chunk of MMA fans because they didn't pay attention to Bellator.
		But this, the Eddie Alvarez, Michael Chandler fights in Bellator were nuts.
		Really?
		I mean, nuts.
		Play a clip of it.
		I mean, nuts.
		Like from the opening bell, two mad fucking roosters just attacking each other.
		It is, it's so wild.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Were those Bellator guys redlining because they just wanted to get to UFC?
		Like they're still climbing the ladder.
		They're still in the hunt.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, they were just, these guys just redlined their entire career.
		Eddie Alvarez went on to become a UFC lightweight champion when he beat Jafael Dosanjos.
		Huge upset.
		Eddie Alvarez is a fucking beast.
		But these two guys from the opening of the first fucking seconds of the fight, look, this is the beginning of the fight.
		Chandler's just throwing himself at him, just sprinting at him.
		Drops him.
		Bro, drops him again.
		Look at this.
		It's crazy.
		Alvarez survived somehow.
		And he fires back.
		Bro, these fights are nuts.
		The fights, I think they had, I know they definitely had two.
		I don't think they had three.
		But the two fights that they had together were fucking insane.
		I mean, the entire pace of the fight was fought like this.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		He's awesome, dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And they're really evenly matched.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was a really good match.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Alvarez looks a little bigger than him.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But Chandler's a fucking tank, dude.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Dude, Chandler's the best.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And he's got crazy wrestler power from the legs, you know.
		So when he leaps at you, like when he knocked out Dan Hooker, he lunges at you like he's shooting a double and throws a left hook at the same time.
		When he knocked out Dan Hooker in his UFC debut, who is a really respectable MMA fighter, a very good fighter, but he just got caught.
		Find that one, Jamie.
		Find Michael Chandler KO's Dan Hooker because this was his UFC debut.
		And again, Dan Hooker is like an elite fighter, which is one of the reasons why it was so impressive.
		And the fight starts out, and Chandler does the same fucking, this is his first fight in the UFC, the same shit he did in Bellator.
		He just charges forward.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I love it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, this is how he always fights.
		It's do or die.
		That's why this guy's lost a ton of times, but he's still a huge fan favorite.
		It's because you know you're going to see this.
		I mean, he's just throwing bombs.
unidentified		Oh, big kick.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's just so dangerous, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because everything is 100%.
unidentified		That was just one, two.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Here comes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And look at the immediate.
unidentified		Oh!
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Big knockdown for Michael Chandler!
unidentified		Big right hand.
		Dan's hurt.
		Dan, bro.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Oh my God.
unidentified		It's over.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Bro.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's a wrap, bro.
unidentified		He's in the deep hit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then he does a backflip off the top of the cage.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Bro, that's a freak.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Freak athlete.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Met him, so I was doing a prank show for MTV called Money from Strangers, which was kind of like Impractical Jokers, but way darker.
		Like, we were like a lot edgier before money or before Impractical Jokers.
		And so, they'd always send me to like MTV movie awards or any kind of those things.
		And I was like, I don't know, I live in New York.
		They're going to send a car.
		I get to go on a red carpet, whatever.
		I'll drink.
		I'll make it fun.
		And they happened to be behind me.
		The Bellator guys happened to be the next guys in the red carpet line.
		And the way the red carpet works is no one cares about us at all.
		They're just waiting to get like Miley Cyrus or Beyonce or whoever the hell it is.
		So, like, we're basically the photos they're taking are just something we're going to save off the internet because no one gives a shit.
		They were like all Bellador guys.
		So, people at this movie awards don't necessarily care.
		These guys are behind me, and they're like, This guy's fun because I'm making all these jokes and like goofing around.
		And I was already kind of like buzzed up.
		And so, then that Michael Chandler and these two other like Bellator guys, uh, Brog the Predator, you know, he is no, he was a Bellator guy too, a Cleveland guy.
		Okay, big guy, he's awesome too.
		But, anyways, these three guys, and they were like, This is kind of dumb.
		And I was like, Yeah, this shit's kind of gay.
		I don't want to be here, you know.
		And then they were like, Let's just go drink.
		And so, we just drank and met people and hung out.
		And they're like, Want to get subway?
		And we got in a car and got and got subway and just hung out with these dudes all night.
		And I've been pals with them ever since.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's awesome.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but it's like I didn't really know what they did.
		I just kind of knew that they were like fighter guys.
		And so, like, I thought they were in UFC at that time, and they weren't.
		They were in whatever was on that network.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I was paying really well.
		And Bellator had a pretty good following for a while.
		I mean, he was doing really well.
		There were some real elite fighters out of Bellator, and a lot of guys, like, they came over to the UFC because they became famous in Bellator.
		Like, Ben Askren, he came over from Bellator.
		He actually did a stint at one FC before he came to UFC eventually.
		But there's a lot of guys that never came over, you know?
		Yes, unfortunately.
		Like Douglas Lima.
		Douglas Lima at one point in time was one of the best welterweights alive.
		And, you know, he was the Bellator champion.
		He's like the only guy that's ever knocked out Michael Venom Page.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Do they have like an MMA Hall of Fame?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there's a UFC Hall of Fame.
		And I think there's an MMA one too, maybe.
		The MMA Awards.
unidentified		I don't know.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's a UFC Hall of Fame, though.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		But that's UFC guys.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		Yeah, it sucks.
		I know.
		Some guys, they wait too long in these other organizations, unfortunately.
		And the reality of the sport is, you know, there's a bunch of different organizations you can compete for.
		And I think if the PFL is paying you more money, go to the PFL.
		Do whatever you want to do.
		But if you really want to be the world champion, you have to be the UFC champion.
		That's just how it is right now.
		It's like major league business.
		It's like in boxing.
		If you're the undisputed champion, you have all belts, then you're Terence Crawford.
		But if you're like a WBA champion and there's also a WBC champion and an IBF champion, that shit's too confusing to the average person.
		And for most people, the UFC is for good or for bad.
		I'm just saying, that's just how most people think of it.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's how I probably annoyed them that night because I was like, oh, you guys are UFC guys?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And they're like, we're Bellator.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		You don't go looking for cotton swabs.
		You go buy Q-tips.
		You look for Q-tips.
		That's what it is.
		You know, just watching pro football.
		You're watching the fucking NFL.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And if you're so bored, you're watching the XFL.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		You start Canadian football league.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You start going, I got to go to the gun range or something.
unidentified		I got to clear my head.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what happened?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I got to do something different.
		But I feel like that's just for better or for worse.
		It's just how it is.
		That's how it is in America.
		We don't have a lot of attention span.
		And if it's going to be elite fighting, it's got to be there's like one organization that we follow.
		Sorry.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And I follow them all.
		I follow everything.
		I try to pay as much attention to Muay Thai as I do to boxing as I do to wrestling and jiu-jitsu tournaments.
		I try to pay attention to everything.
		Just because I want to know who's coming up, who's good, what's new, what different things are people trying that they've never done before.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Did you see Holly Holm did wrestling?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Bro, she's not fucking athletic.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Dude, she's the best.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		LA's an athlete.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		After her fights, Mike Winklejohn used to stand on his hands and do a backflip after all of her fights.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It's amazing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		See if you can find that.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She would win, and then he was backflip.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		She was just at a place to watch wrestling.
		And then there was something she could sign up for.
		And she's like, fuck it.
		I'll do it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Bro, LA's face.
unidentified		And they just draw.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And they were like, really?
		Because she's famous.
		So they were like, we'll let you be part of it.
		She goes, sure.
		And she did.
		And she was just like, the second he said her name, everyone cheered.
		It was not like a huge, grandiose plan thing.
		There was no contract.
		There was no anything.
		She just did it.
		It was like this year.
		She was texting me about it.
		I go, what?
		Like, did they go crazy?
		And she's like, no.
		I mean, like, it was just fun.
		It was a fun thing.
		I thought, why not?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's the thing.
		We'll show that again.
		Watch that.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		She's the best.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Watch how they did this.
unidentified		Yeah.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		So cool.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That was the thing they would do after all her fights.
		She got a fucking back muscle, son.
		That's crazy.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what'd she say?
		Oh, she said the guy, like her manager, whoever she asked about it briefly was like, he was like, well, what if you get hurt?
		And her, it's great.
		She goes, yeah, but what if I win?
		And I was like, what a great response.
		And he was like, fuck it, let her do it.
		And so she did it.
		And I was like, that is the coolest thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's why she's multi-sport martial arts champion.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		She's the best.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She was a champion in kickboxing.
		You know, she had a champion in boxing, women's boxing, MMA.
		She did the full trifecta.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She's the best.
		She's kind of crazy.
		And she's a really nice lady, too.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's what I like about her.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, she's cool.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She's a sweetheart.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I don't know a lot of fighters.
		I named all the fighters I know.
		Michael Chandler and Holly Holmes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That Holly Holm fight with Ronda Rousey was nuts.
		That was in Australia.
		It was a huge crowd.
		It's like a massive arena, man.
		And when she landed that head kick, and you realize that Rhonda was out, and then she's hammer-fisting everyone.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It just didn't even.
		It was like when Mike Tyson got beat.
		Remember when Mike Tyson?
		You were too young.
		But when I was a kid.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Buster Douglas.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson.
		I saw it.
		I heard about it.
		I didn't watch it.
		I saw a tape of it.
		And I still thought he was going to get up.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		He knew the outcome.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I was like, he gets up.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't lose.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's no way.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's no way.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		No, I remember that for sure because Mike Tyson was larger than life.
		And he was so one of those celebrities that you knew everything he was doing.
		Stars shined really brightly back then.
		There was like Michael Jackson.
		You knew Michael Jordan.
		You knew Michael Jackson.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You knew they would go out.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They would go to places and people.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Big deal.
		Yeah.
		Mike Tyson.
		I remember being in the kingdom watching a baseball game.
		It was the same night.
		I was a little boy.
		And they put on the screen that Mike Tyson was disqualified for biting Evander Holyfield's ear.
		And the whole stadium reacted.
		Like, I mean, like, they didn't interrupt a baseball game, but they put it up there because the news was so large.
		Like, it was a very big deal.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Bro, he bit him twice.
		That was crazy.
		I watched the first fight today.
		I watched the first Evander Holyfield.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Why'd you watch it today?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I just felt like watching it.
unidentified		I love that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I do that.
		Like, when I'm in the gym, I'll pick an old fight and I'll put it on.
		And I put on that fight.
		I was like, wow, that was a crazy fight.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I can't work out unless David Goggins is calling me a pussy in my headset.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's all I listen to.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You don't know me, son?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Dude, it's the best.
		Every time I'm working, I was at Equinox this morning.
		I had David Goggins in my thing, just going, you're a piece of shit.
		You can do better, Jeff.
		You can be bigger.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Goggins is the best.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's what I listened to.
		Or those kind of like YouTube things where they compile.
		You know, it's like just all motivation stuff with music over.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You don't seem like a guy who needs motivation.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just do it for fun.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I like it.
		Yeah, and it keeps me in the mindset.
		I always channel all of it back to like stand-up comedy, you know, because I'm working towards something.
		I'm in the hunt.
		I'm climbing.
		And so, like, they could be talking about a battle and war.
		And I'm still like, yep, that's what I'm, what's next?
		I'm gonna, yeah, I'm climbing, you know, I'm still hungry.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a fun time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's a fun thing to do.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, the fact that you get to do it.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Well, and also, like, otherwise I just sleep till noon or sleep till one, you know?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		But, like, if I have that, I'm like, no, I got to get up and write, or I got to get up and, you know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Here's the question.
		You, you're doing this, obviously, and you're doing this for the love of the thing.
		And you said that if you didn't need money and you didn't even get paid money, you would still do it.
		And I think the same way.
		I would do it too.
		But what do you think about the idea of universal basic income?
		Because this is something that is being discussed with automation and with AI.
		And we were having a conversation about the other day with Elon, and he was saying that he thinks that AI can generate so much productivity that you could have universal high income.
		And then I went, wait, okay.
		Am I, are we married to this idea that everything that you do in life, you have to be doing just for money?
		Because that's what it is now.
		If you're a professional, you're doing it for money.
		If you're a professional podcaster, if you're a race car driver, you're doing it for money, right?
		Why are we married to that?
		And if you didn't need money and no one needed money, would you just find a thing you love to do?
		And would we be able to rewire our brains and still have some feeling of value and of identity and without being attached to an occupation?
		Like, isn't it possible that we've just tricked ourselves into thinking that the only way to live is to live in a way where everything you're doing, you're doing is for money.
		And then if it's just everybody does their best at things and enough money is generated so that basically everybody has, like what he was saying, a universal high income.
		What does that mean?
		Like, is that a feasible thing?
		Like, what is AI going to do with production?
		What is AI going to do with automation, resource extraction?
		How much money is going to be generated that you're going to be able to literally have the entire population of the country under universal high income?
		Is that even possible?
		And if it is, what happens to people's desire?
		What happens to their dreams?
		Do they just find a thing like you and I have and do that and not care about money and really be into the thing?
		Can't that be taught if it's taught to you?
		If you figured it out and I figured it out, if people have figured it out, they figured out like find a thing you love and you're never going to work again because you're going to love doing it, whether it's building cars or painting or carpentry.
		If you really fucking love doing it, you do it because you love it.
		Wouldn't that be a better way to live?
		I know, I know.
		You can't do it.
		I know.
		I know, no, no, no, no.
		I know, no, no.
		It wouldn't work.
		There's too much money in the stock market.
		I get it.
		I get it.
		It wouldn't work.
		But as a thought experiment, wouldn't that be a way that's possible for people to live if it's possible for you to live that way?
		If it's possible for me to live that way, if it's possible to find enough people that are willing to do and love to do all the things that we need to keep a society running.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I think the point of life, in my opinion, is meaning.
		So you associate whatever that means to you, right?
		So like a lot of people find meaning in being a mom or a dad.
		That gives them enough.
		They have that meaning.
		Or they have a hammer to hold on to.
		They need that meaning.
		I need comedy.
		That's why when my brain broke during COVID is because I didn't have comedy.
		I didn't have an outlet.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How far did you go without doing any comedy?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I mean, realistically, I only went a few days because I was doing like Zooms and I was doing like underground things for rich guys.
		I was the first comic.
		Me and Brad Williams were the first comics to go work in a comedy club with the new COVID restrictions.
		Because they knew if they called me or Brad, we'd say yes.
		Like Keith Stubbs called me from Salt Lake and goes, we're thinking about doing a show with all the restrictions and just see if the government shuts us down.
		Would you be willing to come?
		And I was like, yes.
		I didn't even talk about price.
		I just go, yes.
		Like, I, because I need it.
		Now, why do I need it?
		Because that's where I personally find my meaning.
		Now, if I maybe was at home and going, man, I'm getting a lot more time with my kids and I'm getting a lot more time with my wife and like things are pretty productive around here.
		That's where I would have put my meaning.
		You know, I think like, and it's just where we put it.
		It's where we kind of put it.
		And I think, so a lot of people find a lot of value in their jobs that make them the money, but that's, that gives them something to do.
		Don't you think?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do think that.
		But what you're saying about finding meaning, what you're saying about finding meaning and having a family or finding me, yes, for sure.
		But also, I think the human mind needs activities.
		Right.
		I don't think it's just raising children only.
		I think you should probably have things that you love to do as well just for your own sanity.
		But if you didn't have to worry about money, you'd still be involved in this pursuit of stand-up comedy because you love it.
		All the stuff that people do just for money, like the guy who does the fucking septic tanks, that guy's not having a good time.
		He's smelling other people's shit all day.
		He's pumping out other people's shit all day.
		That can't be fun, right?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		But we need him.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		We need him until the robots come.
		And then you don't need him anymore.
		So this is the point.
		Like, what does that guy do to find some sort of meaning?
		He's probably not finding meaning in pulling shit out of people's ground.
		He's probably would like to do something different.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		I mean, I don't know.
		I mean, I'm so naive that I'm like, no, that guy should be proud of himself.
		Like, I'm really, I look at plumbers like heroes.
		Like, I'm like, dude, the guy that like fixed the electrical in my house, I'm like, I love you, dude.
		Like, whatever I can pay you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Bro, I had a septic problem at my house once.
		One of my houses in California when I first moved there, and it was so nasty.
		When I would flush the toilet, the bathtub would fill up, and I was like, what is this?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Those are linked?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, what it was was the septic system.
		There was a pump.
		I was living on a hill, and the pump would pump it up the hill, the poop water, and then the pump broke.
		And so they ought to get in there and get the pump out in the poop water and put a new and start.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And that guy's my hero.
		Like that guy.
		We need that guy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's a Bud Light commercial.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Heal the man.
		I love you.
		Twilight cops.
		Like what you were saying earlier, but the military, the nurses, like they're going to send a robot to fix your poop water.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The pump.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The robots.
unidentified		People.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A robot's going to do it, and it's going to do it perfectly with AI.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And you're not going to need a person to get covered in shit water.
unidentified		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And that guy's going to get a lot of money just to sit at home.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But then what does he do?
unidentified		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's the thing.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because I think a lot of it's going to happen really quickly.
		This is something that Andrew Yang was talking about years ago.
		And it was sort of, I agree with him, but it was a little abstract then.
		And now this was way back, was that 2020 when Andrew Yang was running for president?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I've never heard of Andrew Yang.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You don't know.
		What's that?
		Was it 2016?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It might have been 2016.
		You never heard of Andrew Yang?
		Brilliant guy.
		And had a very good point.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Sorry, 2020.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I didn't think it was that long ago.
		A great point about automation and that one day automation is going to remove a lot of jobs, including drivers, right?
		Like you're seeing it with these Wevos.
		So there's that is like, that's the first, that's the first sounds.
		That's the first shot fired across the bow of a crazy war where the robots are going to take all our jobs.
		Because that is now, you have these Tesla trucks that are automated, and they can, you know, like my car, my Tesla, I just press a button.
		It does all the driving.
		It does everything.
		I don't have to do shit.
		I can literally just sit there with my hands on the wheel and barely pay attention if I wanted to.
		I don't do it.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I never do it either.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I have it, and I don't do it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's nuts.
		So that's going to be the future.
		And there's going to be no driving jobs.
		And okay.
		And then what about everything else?
		Well, everything else, manufacturing, it's out the window.
		Robots are going to do it 24 hours a day.
		It's going to be more efficient.
		No unions, no health care, no need for nothing.
		They're never going to fuck up.
		Everything's going to be categorized.
		They have sets, these mining operations in China where everything's automated.
		There's no people working at all.
		The trucks are driving.
		They're getting recharged.
		They're fucking picking up the coal.
		They're moving the coal.
		They're bringing it somewhere else.
		It's all automated.
		It's bananas, man.
		So that's just a massive eration or erasing of jobs.
		They're just going to go away.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Well, the dot-com did that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I think this is way bigger, dude.
		I think this is way bigger.
		I think this happens.
		And first, everybody's like, oh, this sucks.
		And then it's like, oh my God, it's not stopping.
		It's not stopping.
		It's taking over everything.
		It's going to be all jobs.
		There's going to be no more need for lawyers, no more accountants, no more coders.
		Like all that stuff's going to be done with AI.
		It's going to get so weird if you're going to college right now because you could be going to college for something that's absolutely obsolete in three years.
unidentified		Sure.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, but so I get that problem.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		But someone's introducing an idea that they just give money to people for free so they don't because of this?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's the thing.
		If that becomes something that controls everything, which is really ultimately what it's probably going to do, controls all of our power grid, all of our waste management resources, everything.
		It's going to control everything.
		It's going to generate insane amounts of wealth.
		But the question is, like, how does it even get distributed?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		How does that part of it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How does that work?
		Who's got the money?
		If you're just giving people money and then they what they're doing.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Now, everyone's a trust fund kid in a way.
		You know, they don't do anything.
		They just sit around and eat.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And what do you get people involved with to occupy their time?
		You know, do you encourage them to join religious groups?
		Do you get them to be involved in games?
		Do we try to give people meaning?
		Are we all just going to sit around and wait for the robots to just take over and we're going to be the last civilization of real people?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		100 years from now, they're going to be like, I think I want to do what the robots do.
		People are like, what?
		You know, in the old times, you know, people would actually have to do it.
		And then maybe there'd be like a movement of that, you know?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Dude, the Terminator was accurate.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oddly accurate.
		Remember, you remember the first time you saw that movie?
		Like, this will never happen.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you a funny story about that Terminator.
		I was on Mushrooms with my buddy Randy, and he forgot that he was at a long-distance girlfriend.
		He forgot that he was going to call her.
		So we just ate, you know, four grams of mushrooms.
		Like it big, like we just crushed them, right?
		It was COVID, you know.
		And we had nowhere to be is the point.
		So we just went, we're going full journey, you know, we're going to do a bunch.
		And we eat them.
		We're sitting there.
		And then he, he goes, all right, I forgot I was going to call Rachel.
		And I'm like, all right.
		But it starts to kick in a little bit.
		He left Terminator on, and then his gay roommate is like on a first date in the kitchen.
		So there's two like cute guys like flirting with each other.
		And one of them barely knows me and the other one doesn't know anybody in the apartment.
		And I'm just sitting there watching Terminator.
		And like, he can't be killed.
		You know, Terminator.
		He's like, the bullets are just going through him and then the metal just kind of starts forming again.
		And I'm just sitting.
		And I don't know if I was there for 20 minutes.
		I don't know if I was there for seven hours.
		And I'm just freaking the fuck out going, God damn, he can't kill these Terminators.
		And these gay guys keep looking at me.
		And I don't know what Randy's doing.
		I thought he just abandoned me forever.
		I had like, I can't even watch Terminator the same anymore.
		Luckily, he came down.
		He goes, all right, let's go to the roof.
		And I was like, thank God you're here.
		I went up there and talked about it all, but like, I was freaking the fuck up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How long was he on the phone for?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Don't know.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to guess 15, 20 minutes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But it seemed forever.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it seems so long.
		And I'm just sitting there overthinking everything.
		And then also the Terminator movie, like, just seemed like so pointless.
		I'm like, why?
		You can't kill it.
		Just surrender.
		You know, you can't shoot through this thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, didn't it come back eventually and become a good guy in the later movies?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I don't know which version of the Terminator I was watching.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Like it was T2 or T3 or whatever, but it was.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How many have there been?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How many?
unidentified		It wasn't Fast for Furious or Terminators.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Fast and the Furious.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Fast and the Furious didn't also become a TV show, I don't think, yet.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I just saw the new Predator and it fucking rules.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Terminator became a TV show?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you see the new Predator?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		It's like Sarah Connor Chronicles.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, I haven't seen the new Predator.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Dude, it rules.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Who was this?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		2008.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		2008?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Huh?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I didn't watch it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That looks ridiculous.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		That was a thing.
		They went down the rabbit hole at Terminator, but there's a bunch of stuff.
		There's probably like six movies now.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I think I was watching like T2 or T3.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Terminator, Terminator 2, Terminator 3, Terminator Salvation.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		There were six of them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, the last ones that just try to wring that towel out and get a couple more drops of blood.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		You ever seen the Leprechaun movies?
unidentified		Yes.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Dude, after a while, they're just like, Leprechaun goes to space?
		Leprechaun in the hood?
		Like, it was just literally put the leprechaun in some setting.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's funny that that one caught.
		You know, like some things catch and they become like cult classics.
		The leprechaun movies were cult classics.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Very good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And the troll movie?
		You ever see the troll movie?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I saw Troll 2, which is like the worst film that's ever been made.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Have you seen that?
unidentified		Which one's that?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		There was no Troll 1.
		They just made Troll 2.
		It's so bad, it's phenomenal.
unidentified		Like, it's absolutely the best watch.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		If you watch Troll 2, you'll watch the first scene or whatever, and you'll go, oh, he's the worst actor I've ever seen in my life.
		And then the next person will come in the scene.
		You go, oh, no, she's the worst actor.
		And it just keeps going.
		Everyone is worse than the next person.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		So bad.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I think they remade Troll 2 and it's coming out on Netflix.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		You're kidding.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I just Googled Troll 2 and there's a trailer for a movie coming out this year.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		They made a documentary about it called Best Worst Movie.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're kidding.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		No, this is different.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		This is a pretty awesome movie.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		This kind of cult Troll 2.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what the fuck it came from.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Doesn't Troll have a big dick in her?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's his tail or something?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's got a tail.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It is weird that he doesn't have a dick, though.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's like, why does he conveniently have animal skins over his dick?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		1990 was another one came out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's gross.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I would imagine he would be totally comfortable being naked.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Just who cares?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're not modest.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Why are you going to cover your giant dick?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Your giant bullet push.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Show it off while you kill people.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Swinging.
		Why are you stomping on people?
		The last thing they do is see that helmet dropping down.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's why you lost your house.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Look at the size of my cock.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this is ridiculous.
		Why would he be vain?
		Or why would he be modest?
		You know what's supposed to be really good?
		Looks really good?
		Is that new Frankenstein on this?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, the Guillermo Dotoro.
		I haven't seen that.
		But you don't like the Predator movies?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I liked the Prey one.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Pretty good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That was a good one.
		Yeah.
		Fun.
		You know, the Commander.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		A lot of Indians dying in that, you know?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was kind of crazy.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That one felt weird.
		This one, I don't want to spoil anything, but they definitely stray from the rules of being a predator.
		But it's so good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Very is really good?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It's really good.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I loved it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's the one where the, is she a robot?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		She's a robot, which also makes it more realistic that she's so, like, able to do everything.
		Anytime I would start to feel sexist, like, oh my gosh, they did this like girl power thing.
		You're like, no, she's just a robot they made look like a woman.
		So it's not like you have to feel like it's not, you know, whatever.
unidentified		So this is predators getting fucked up here?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		So it's based off this one runt predator who's on.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's why he looks kind of weird and shit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Don't spoil alert.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		No, that's the predator.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is that what it is?
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I didn't spoil anything.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		But he's like a little runt.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And so that's why he's out to prove himself.
		Because he's smaller than all of them.
		He's missing a fang.
		He looks a little weird.
		But that's because he's supposed to look weird.
		Because a lot of people are like, this predator looks stupid.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Damn, 85% on tomorrow.
		That's interesting.
		93% like this movie.
		No shit.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I loved it, dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I like when they can do that with a movie.
		You know, you think, like, oh, what is this going to be?
		Right.
		Flip it on its head.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That's how I felt.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And every time there would be a thing where I'd start to criticize it, like, I'd be like, this feels like Mortal Kombat.
		And then in my mind, I'd go, Jeff, you love Mortal Kombat.
		And I was like, all right.
		And then the next part would be like, this is kind of Star Wars.
		I'm like, but I love Star Wars.
		So I kept coaching Russell.
		And then after a while, I was like, this movie's really good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You got to just enjoy things.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's what I tell people when I play AI music for them.
		Like, just enjoy it.
		Forget about the fact the robots are taking over.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		This is great music.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		This is a pattern of every famous person I know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What did you say, Jamie?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Great is tough.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Which one's tough?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Great.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Great is a weird word.
unidentified		Amazing.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		How about that?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		That's very good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That what up gangsta is amazing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know it is.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I've gone to rabbit holes too watching cover songs, though.
		Like my favorite cover song and finding different bands doing good versions of it.
		They're real.
		They're real.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Listen, the real bands are better, for sure, because it's a real band.
		So it's a real person.
		But I love listening to AI music.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		I know there's one going violent.
		I've never even heard of this.
		It's not officially number one.
		It's like a weird designation, but there's a song that's number one on the country digital sales chart by a completely AI band.
		Well, DJs, DJs kind of did that.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		DJs were kind of like the first version of that.
		Like they're putting in their robot and then like making the songs and sampling and stuff.
		So this is just, I mean, it's not that far deviating.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is way deviating.
		This is, you could change the kind of song.
		Like you could have like a little Charlie Crockett, a little Elvis Presley.
		You could mix it.
		They're like, they're essentially drawing from all the songs that have ever been made.
		So all the best sounds that anybody's ever sung.
unidentified		It has to be good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's amazing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's so good.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It has to be.
		The way you just described it.
		It has all the music.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We'll wrap this up, Jeff, and we'll wrap this up and I'll play you a little what up gangster.
		We don't need the audience at home to hear this, but you need to hear this.
		Everyone have to edit out anyway.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		So many successful people I know are really like big music heads.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, music is a drug, man.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's a marvelous drug that inspires you, makes you feel better, makes you move around.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		That mothership, you guys are always playing good music up in that green room.
		And I'm always like, what is this?
		Like, every single time I think I'm in that green room, I'm always going, what's this one?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Tony's got a bunch.
		Well, everybody contributes.
		Everybody, when they find a cool song, will bring it into the green room.
		And then we'll add it to the – the playlist on Spotify is like 34 hours or something now.
		Yeah.
		Yeah, it's crazy because you just keep adding cool songs.
		That's perfect.
		Jeff Dye, anything, website, Instagram, Twitter.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I just launched a podcast.
unidentified		Oh.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		It's called Die Hard.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I like it.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Pretty good, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		D-Y-E-Hard.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		D-Y-E Hard.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Once a week, comes out every week.
		You can watch it on YouTube or wherever you listen to podcasts.
		It's on everything.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I like the name.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And then.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		At first, I didn't.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Because of you, I made it for everyone.
		I had it behind a thing on a Patreon and nah, don't do that.
		I'm growing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it just, it won't grow.
		That's the problem.
		Like, you get some money for a complete lack of.
unidentified		Yeah.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		I'd rather everyone hear it.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		And then also, we'll start doing a thing where it's like once a week we'll do the Face to face where I have like an interview with somebody that I like and sit down and do like a proper podcast.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Beautiful.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		But yeah, and then JeffDie.com to find all my tour dates.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And I'll see you tonight.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		All right.
jeff dye ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for having me, brother.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		All right.

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