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Joe Rogan Experience #2405 - Luis J Gomez & Big Jay Oakerson
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big jay oakerson
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luis j gomez
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joe rogan
Yeah, well, he's the nicest guy in the world.
That's part of the problem.
big jay oakerson
No, he's very sweet, but it was like, like when they tell you the story of it, it was he was like at a comedy club once and like somebody in the audience made fun of him.
He's like, I'm going to go to a place where no one upsets anybody ever.
I'm going to make a place like that.
And that was the Comedy Magic Club.
joe rogan
Still, they would let us roll in there.
They did stop Joey from doing shows there, though.
big jay oakerson
Did they really?
joe rogan
There's too many people that were like normal people that would come in when Joey was opening for me.
Joe, you're eating her ass from behind.
You're doing the pigeon when your nose goes in her asshole.
unidentified
No way.
big jay oakerson
They let Tosh do whatever he wanted, I think.
Yeah.
And when they asked me to do spots there, like eventually, when I went there, I was like, I kind of, I don't know.
It's like it's a weird spot for me to do if it's a clean club.
No, they're like, you can do your thing.
joe rogan
Clean clubs are odd.
There used to be this place in Mount Vernon, New York, called the Champagne Comedy Club.
It was like an all-black room, and the guy who ran it was like very Christian, very religious.
And he was like, no motherfuckers.
He goes, I don't want to hear no motherfuckers.
He goes, you don't say that bitch had a big ass.
You see, that woman had a wide behind.
Like, he had a whole speech he would give you before you would work there.
What you would say.
luis j gomez
I've only tried to work clean a few times.
So I used to open for Nate Bargazi, who was like super clean.
I mean, one of the cleanest.
Brilliant.
You don't even know that he's clean until somebody points it out.
joe rogan
That's why I'm like, he's like Gaffigan.
Like, same thing as Gaffkin.
But he's been cleaner than Gaffigan.
luis j gomez
Gaff again will curse once in a while.
Nate, he's never said a curse word on microphone ever.
big jay oakerson
That's not true.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
luis j gomez
I don't think so.
big jay oakerson
No, he was hammered one night at the New York Comedy Club.
He called a lady a cunt immediately.
We had to stop her boyfriend from attacking him.
He doesn't.
luis j gomez
Was it on camera, though?
big jay oakerson
No.
luis j gomez
No.
big jay oakerson
Oh, I mean, maybe like the in-house of the comedy club.
But man, it was great.
luis j gomez
What a great viral video that would be.
big jay oakerson
I wish that existed somewhere.
We took him to a corn concert.
He got obliterated.
And then that was I said where he like Mr. Magood threw a mosh pit like I've never seen somebody before.
I mean, bodies flying all around him on a hill in mud.
And Nate just walked through.
Do you remember the story at all?
It was Family Values Tour.
luis j gomez
I remember, yeah, yeah.
big jay oakerson
And he walks through, and no one hit him at all.
And then he just looks at us and gives a thumbs up.
And then he sees this big muscly guy next to him.
He just goes, eh?
And shoves that guy.
And then the guy shoved Nate pretty much across the pit again.
And he just came back over to us laughing and smiling.
And then he demanded that we go to a spot at New York Comedy Club.
luis j gomez
He was at Skankfest one year.
We do, you know, Josh Adam Meyer's Goddamn Comedy Jam.
And it's always very heavy metal at Skank Fest.
We all do like metal songs.
Tony's singing system of a down.
Jay always does Slipknot.
And what song was it?
Was it Slipknot, right?
We're doing the Wall of Death.
big jay oakerson
Oh, oh, no, no, no.
It was Break Stuff, Limp Biscuit.
luis j gomez
Limp Biscuit.
Yeah, so there's a breakdown where the music kind of is just playing, right?
And Jay starts a wall of death.
If you've never been to a heavy metal concert, essentially the entire floor splits open, and it's just two, like on both two walls of people just staring at each other, just ready.
And then when the music drops, they all converge and just like kill each other.
big jay oakerson
There's great videos.
There's videos of it.
Rob Dukes from Exodus has one of the biggest ones ever.
luis j gomez
Yeah, Wall of Death.
It's a great thing at a metal concert.
So we did this at Skank Fest, and Nate's never been to a metal concert.
So he's just hammered.
This is when he was drinking.
He's just bopping around in the middle of it.
big jay oakerson
He doesn't really split.
He's standing in the middle.
And I'm doing the song.
So I'm going at one point off microphone, though.
I'm just trying to go.
I'm like, I'm like, Nate.
I'm like, I'm like, dude, you got to like, you know what?
And he just keeps raising his beer.
He's like, and I was like, we couldn't interlude anymore.
The bass player's fingers were going to start bleeding if he kept interluding.
So we had to get to the end of the song.
And then so I'm on microphone at that point.
I'm like, Nate, move.
Nate, you got to move.
And he's just like, I'm good, bro.
luis j gomez
Like, I am moving, man.
big jay oakerson
And we hit that break.
Break your fucking face, too.
Break your fucking face.
This audience conversion.
And I remember just seeing Nate, like, I mean, like they smash in and Nate went like this.
Like, you just saw him pop up and go back down the pile.
He was in there somewhere, but yeah, feeling no pain.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who started the mosh pit?
That seems like one of the craziest elements in all of music.
big jay oakerson
When we give it to black people.
joe rogan
Agreed upon.
big jay oakerson
We stole it from them.
joe rogan
We stole most things from them.
big jay oakerson
We stole it from them.
Jazz, rock, the mosh pit.
joe rogan
Rock and roll for sure.
luis j gomez
It had to be punk rock, right?
Probably 70s.
Like sex pistols.
joe rogan
I wish I knew.
I remember I was dating a girl when I was 20, 21, and she was really into like these crazy bands.
And she went to this band.
She was in a mosh pit and got a fucking concussion from a headbutt.
And then came over to my apartment afterwards.
I'm like, why are you doing that?
luis j gomez
Sex pistols.
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
Sex pistols.
big jay oakerson
What is funny the difference in like what like people that are like hardcore metal people would think of a band like corn or disturbed or bands like that where it's like those are the mosh pits more that I've been around in my life where there's almost like a the guy on stage is even making it soft.
He's like, if a brother falls down.
It's always like some kind of Valhalla speech.
If a brother falls, you pick your brother up.
You don't stop him.
And it's all about like, you know, pulling each other off the ground and banging into each other and walking in circles.
luis j gomez
They just bump into each other.
big jay oakerson
I went to a small show at the old knitting factory in Manhattan for a band.
I forget what they were called, but it was like they stopped the show because the mosh pit, I was like watching from above, but the mosh pit was like punch kick.
And people were getting fucked up.
luis j gomez
That's like hardcore shows.
Hardcore shows are, it's like fist fighting.
joe rogan
If you're a crazy person and you know how to fight and you just decide to go into a mosh pit because you could just start tuning up on people.
luis j gomez
I don't think you're, so here's what happens.
There's videos that go viral all the time.
Like if there are guys that do that, they just try to hit people, those guys will typically get jumped by everybody in the mosh pit because you're supposed to be punching and kicking, but you're not supposed to be actually targeting somebody with it.
If an accident happens, it happens.
But it's like.
joe rogan
So ridiculous.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
luis j gomez
But you'll see people get jumped.
There'll be guys that are being dickheads in the mosh pit, and then everyone will beat the shit out of them because they're not being violent the right way.
big jay oakerson
Oh, I got to tell you, it was maybe the funniest.
It was a weird agreement.
The funniest concert experience I've ever had was with Lewis at Pantera.
We went to go see them.
It was two times ago that we saw them at that Madison Square Garden.
Pantera's love you were just Lewis was just having again some other I'll always call Lewis to go to a few He doesn't go to a lot of concerts with me, but like the nostalgic ones that'll hit him, he'll go to sometimes.
So Pantera, who always want to bring his sister, and we go, and he goes, he's in a good mood.
He's feeling good, and we're in our 40s, so he's not looking to really get in the mosh pit.
luis j gomez
The other thing about now, like, and it's a generational thing, like Pantera, when I first saw Pantera Live, OzFest 97, Giant Stadium, the entire floor became a mosh pit.
And I was a kid.
It was the scariest thing I'd ever seen.
People started jumping over the rafters.
There's videos of this, like jumping.
unidentified
Okay.
big jay oakerson
Okay.
joe rogan
He's got a weapon.
Jesus Christ, he's in a flashback right now.
big jay oakerson
This is how your father got black.
joe rogan
Let's see if we can find a video of that.
luis j gomez
People started jumping over the barriers, like from above at Giant Stadium and just spilling into the floor.
The entire floor turns into a mosh pit.
I'm 13 years old, 14 years old.
joe rogan
You're working security at that place.
And, you know, you're just a kind of retired guy who takes a security job.
big jay oakerson
Oh, yeah.
luis j gomez
That's it.
big jay oakerson
It's the worst.
joe rogan
You have to go to the mosh pit.
big jay oakerson
Pull people apart.
joe rogan
You're 62.
You know?
big jay oakerson
Hey, somebody get old Glenn from the front.
We need more people in the pit.
joe rogan
He used to work for like some Long Island police station.
luis j gomez
This is literally it, dude.
big jay oakerson
OzFest 99.
unidentified
There's me, there's my sister.
OzFest 99.
luis j gomez
97.
This is 97.
joe rogan
So it's weird, too, because they're just playing for the field.
Like, everyone's just walking around.
There's no seats.
big jay oakerson
Oh, yeah, on the floor.
Yeah, they're not.
joe rogan
Like, that doesn't look like there's any seats there anywhere.
Looks like everybody's just kind of jammed in.
luis j gomez
The whole floor is standing room, and then there's seating in the stands.
joe rogan
So you're a pussy if you're in the stands.
That's why these people in the stands are hopping the fence right now.
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
unidentified
Bro, there is zero security at this point.
joe rogan
Look how far these guys are jumping.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, this is probably like the second or third OzFest, maybe.
luis j gomez
Yeah, it's early.
big jay oakerson
So it's like it was like no one knew what to expect from this.
luis j gomez
It was Fear Factory, Marilyn Manson.
They tried to ban Marilyn Manson from this.
This was like a big controversy on MTV.
joe rogan
Why?
luis j gomez
Because he was the devil?
big jay oakerson
Getting lost in those things.
Yeah, I remember my ex-wife.
My ex-devil.
jamie vernon
They had a big fire riot when they were in Columbus.
I think it was that year.
big jay oakerson
My ex-wife.
My ex-wife, on one of our earliest dates, I took her to OzFest lawn seats.
I was pretty proud I got them for free.
And we were in the middle lawn for Slipknot doing Spit It Out and got stuck in a thing where they make everybody get on the ground and you're locked in.
And then again, the whole lawn turns into a crazy mosh film.
luis j gomez
And if you're not a metalhead, she's like a normal chick.
She's like a comedy club waitress.
She's not into Slipknot and devil music.
So he brings her on a second date to this place, which is just.
big jay oakerson
She was Latina.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
And not super into Slipknot.
She got into it, though.
It's a pretty exhilarating moment for her.
But when we went to see Pantera at the garden, we were right near the mosh pit.
And these two guys, like these two Mexican guys and two white guys, like middle-aged white guys, started getting into it and really like fighting.
Like they were throwing punches.
The white guys had a kid with them.
And then Lewis went and pulled people apart.
luis j gomez
He jumped in pretty early in it to pull them apart and be like, I need to make sure justice is being served at all times.
When I see something, whatever it is, if there's not justice happening, I got to jump in.
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
As a self-hating Hispanic, you were really rooting for those white guys.
But he pulled them apart.
And then, I don't know, we could see, like, even though these guys got separated, you can see the Latino guys are fucking, they're plotting.
They're not done yet.
And we're just kind of semi-observing it, but it really piqued Lewis's interest for some reason.
And he did a, I mean, a mother of the neighborhood, like, walks.
Did you walk the white guys over or the Hispanic guys over?
luis j gomez
I don't remember who I did.
But I'm not sure if I'm going to walk one of the other guys.
big jay oakerson
Hand and wrist like this.
Goes, come on, guys, this is enough.
And I'm watching from a distance these guys beating each other's face again.
Lewis be, you know, Pantera's playing.
And I just see Lewis be like, come on, and like making them hold hands and like touching them hands.
luis j gomez
I made them shake hands.
big jay oakerson
He made them shake hands in front.
And I watched them reluctantly do it.
But it never changed.
Lewis came back with a real sense of like, I did something good there.
But those guys never stopped glaring at each other the whole time.
luis j gomez
They didn't kill each other in the parking lot afterwards.
big jay oakerson
And then the guy comes over to Lewis, but towards the end of the thing, or maybe it was to me he just did it, but like he came over and I was like, are you guys all good?
And he goes, what the fuck was that, man?
He's like, those guys fucking started shit with us and then your friend made a shake hands with them.
unidentified
There was no beef squash whatsoever, Lewis.
big jay oakerson
But just the fact he went over there and he made them shake hands.
They did it.
joe rogan
But at least even if you just make someone shake hands, it de-escalates a little bit.
It definitely de-escalates more than there's no out.
Because the problem with guys is when they don't feel like they have an out with dignity, they just keep talking shit and then they get themselves into a problem.
luis j gomez
There's an ego thing that happens where you're like, well, there has to be an end to this story.
joe rogan
Exactly.
luis j gomez
And in my mind, when I'm angry, it has to be me beating your fucking ass.
joe rogan
Or a guy as the cops come and makes you shake hands.
And that's the end.
And you avoid the violence.
luis j gomez
It's a logical end.
big jay oakerson
The problem we're having now, especially if we go to these metal shows, is Lewis had a gripe with a guy at a concert two concerts ago we went to.
A real thing.
He's like, Nightish Nails.
He had Ninish Nails.
He's like, this fucking guy over here.
And then Lewis was having a hard time letting it go.
And then when it got pushed came to shove near each other, it's like security was come over.
He goes, hey, that guy's like a fan of yours.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
I can't freak out anymore.
I do Rogan and Kilton.
I mean, Lewis doesn't know who I am, so I can't have public outbursts.
unidentified
Lewis.
big jay oakerson
Lewis, since I was, I was kind of almost like making us move so Lewis would stop obsessing over like dealing with the guy.
Me and Lewis share a lot of similar traits in that way.
I do the same thing.
So I'm like, we're going to move somewhere else.
And as we're moving, Lewis goes up to the guy in his ear and starts whispering in the guy's ear.
And I'm watching the guy nod his head yes.
He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then they finally kind of get Lewis away, and I go, What did you say in his ear?
He goes, a bunch of terrible, awful things that I was going to do to him.
I go, he was just nodding yes.
And then the security came over like 15 minutes later and was like, hey, that guy just went, you know, he's a fan.
He's a fan of yours.
And the security knew us too.
He was like, also, I love your guys' stuff too.
But that guy, I think, is also a fan.
luis j gomez
I lost his fan that day.
That guy literally will never like my shit ever again.
joe rogan
Yeah, he fucked up.
Yeah.
luis j gomez
It's all right.
So Ninish Nails is such not a tough, like, it's not tough music.
It's like goth chick music.
unidentified
All of us had mascara running down our face having these fights.
I'm going to punch you because my dad didn't care.
big jay oakerson
What's this?
Did you go to a lot of concerts growing up?
joe rogan
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
What kind of bands were you into?
Were they crazy shows?
joe rogan
No, I'm so much older than you guys.
So when I was in high school, it was the 80s.
So the first band I ever went to see live was the Jay Giles band.
unidentified
Nice.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Peter Walter.
joe rogan
Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.
unidentified
Remember that?
joe rogan
Age of the Centerfold?
He was huge back then.
And then I saw George Thoroughgood.
I saw George Thoroughgood with some other dude.
Oh, Johnny Winter.
That's who it was.
The albino dude.
big jay oakerson
That is ugly motherfuckers.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
It was amazing.
big jay oakerson
George Thoroughgood looks like fucking Rusty from European Vacation.
joe rogan
Does he look like that now?
Is that what you're saying?
big jay oakerson
Yeah, I mean, he looks terrible.
Back then, he always, he always, that really is, it's music for like ginger guys to fix a car and do this to George Thoroughgood.
joe rogan
1981 song.
That's what it is.
It's like a great song from 81.
That's what he was.
big jay oakerson
The speech.
unidentified
There he was.
joe rogan
Bad to the bones.
big jay oakerson
The speech in the beginning of One Bourbon, One Shot, One Beer.
My favorite thing.
A look, man.
Come down.
luis j gomez
No.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So, yeah, I did see a bunch of concerts when I was in high school.
unidentified
Boston.
big jay oakerson
Boston, I mean, it's a big city for shows.
joe rogan
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
But did you go as a kid?
I feel.
I never went.
joe rogan
Well, I worked at a concert venue too for a while.
I worked at Great Woods.
big jay oakerson
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
So I was a security guard.
And Great Woods was this performance.
I think it's still around.
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
Amphitheater.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like an amphitheater.
And the problem with that place is if anybody was talking on stage, you could only hear it underneath the thing.
You couldn't hear it in the lawn.
So like lyrics would bleed out into the lawn, like, or, you know, someone doing comedy would bleed out into the lawn.
It was a nightmare when comics performed there because you got tickets on the lawn.
You couldn't understand what the fuck they were saying.
It was just all this weird echo shit.
big jay oakerson
I did comedy in front of Slipknot and corn there in that venue particularly.
joe rogan
Did you really?
big jay oakerson
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I saw Dangerfield there when I was working there.
I saw Bill Cosby there when I was working there.
The Cosby, I wasn't paying attention, though.
I had no intention of being able to get away from that.
big jay oakerson
You got to pay attention on that guy.
joe rogan
Well, I was 19 years old and I just had no patience.
I had no intentions of ever being a comedian.
luis j gomez
Well, he would do like three hours, right?
Like he would do like really, really long shows, but it was the same, it was always the same act, right?
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
Were they that long?
luis j gomez
Two and a half, I heard?
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was there, I believe.
I'm trying to remember who else.
Definitely, I paid to see Kinnison there.
That was wild.
And then.
big jay oakerson
Do you think people like Kinnison would have grown with the times?
joe rogan
No.
I think Kinnison, he would have had to sober up.
And if he sobered up, I don't know if he'd be the same thing.
He's like the best example of a guy who was maybe the greatest and most influential comedian of all time for like a year.
Like when he came, there was a moment when he was talking about like Jesus on the cross.
You know, I think his last words were, oh, not my left hand.
luis j gomez
Not my left hand.
big jay oakerson
You help me if you get it back of a hammer.
joe rogan
It was like a completely different kind of comedy.
The thing about homosexual necrophiliacs paying money to be with the freshest male customers, you know, going to the mortuaries and paying money.
That bit is fucking crazy.
It's so funny.
The bit about the starving kids in Africa, like, holy shit, man.
But it only lasted for a short window.
And then the stuff after that, he was partying so much.
The material was not anywhere near as good.
It was all like the points weren't interesting.
big jay oakerson
But do you think he had it in him to evolve?
joe rogan
He would have had to fucking clean his act up, I think.
I think what you're seeing is a guy, first of all, who develops his act over like 10 years before he gets, before he makes it.
And when he makes it, he's fucking good.
I mean, he's like one of the best ever.
And then he has to come up with a whole new act in a year, but he's just doing Coke and he's partying and he's hanging out with Pon Jovi.
luis j gomez
Well, that's like what it is like with everybody.
It's like everyone does their first album or special and it's like a collection of everything for a decade or 15 years.
And then it's like you're supposed to reproduce that every year or two after that.
Like Bill Burr and Louis C.K. sort of created this standard of putting out a brand new hour every year or two, which is like ginger assholes.
big jay oakerson
You heard me here first.
Where's my camera?
luis j gomez
You ginger assholes.
big jay oakerson
It's almost unsustainable to like go to the George Thoroughgood, you fucking rusty looking piece of shit.
joe rogan
The thing is, it's like, why do we care if that's what they want to do?
Like, why don't we just do what we do?
Why are we even comparing?
luis j gomez
Because when I show up back into another market a year later and I'm doing the same material, I feel like a fucking asshole.
big jay oakerson
I do.
joe rogan
Well, you probably should, but you also probably should just go at your own pace.
You know, some people want to think of a special as a special.
Like, this is the best shit that I've come up with over the last five years or whatever.
And some people want to think, like, no, it's just like keep releasing new comedy.
But we all know that your comedy, your jokes get better when you keep tuning them up.
big jay oakerson
Of course.
luis j gomez
Right.
joe rogan
And I think it's a certain amount of a cooking process that they all need.
luis j gomez
Well, it'll just continue to get better.
I just filmed the special and now I've been working, because it's not out yet, so I've still been working the material.
joe rogan
Now you got new tags.
luis j gomez
Oh, pissing me off.
Oh, my God.
Their best tags.
joe rogan
The best tags.
big jay oakerson
That's because you're more comfortable now.
unidentified
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
I said your best recording.
Who said it recently?
Your best recording of your hour is never going to be the hour you recorded.
unidentified
You're right.
big jay oakerson
It's not going to be that one.
joe rogan
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
I remember when I did my last material special, Dog Belly, it was like, man, really wish we could have gotten that seven o'clock show on Friday in Buffalo.
Buffalo Helium just ate it up.
That's the show where you were done and I was like, this is it.
This is the rhythm of it and this is the one.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like when there's something on the line and it's like ready record.
It's just a different thing.
luis j gomez
You do it for like a live crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I did that because I was scared of it.
luis j gomez
How nerve-wracking was that?
joe rogan
Oh, so weird.
It was so much better.
luis j gomez
It was yours before or after Chris Rocks.
joe rogan
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luis j gomez
So were you freaking out because he flooded the show?
big jay oakerson
He was stolen from the black man.
Write it down, Lewis.
joe rogan
Less in mind, dude.
I just want to say it was Netflix idea.
luis j gomez
He flubbed the line in his last bit, which was the line.
joe rogan
Whoopsies.
Yeah.
I definitely treat it different than any other set.
big jay oakerson
He's like, when I fresh the slap prints.
Shit.
Fuck me, Ronnie.
joe rogan
Positions, first positions, everyone.
Yeah.
It's a weird thing, man, to just go ready, live, go to like millions of people.
It's a weird thing.
But I was in my head, I was like, but why?
Why is it any different than a show?
Well, it's all you're mind-fucking yourself.
So what would it prevent you from mind-fucking yourself?
Just go over your material with such a fine-tooth comb that when you get up on stage, you can be just loose and completely relaxed.
You're not even thinking about where to go and how to do it.
You're just thinking about like locking in and you're going to be live for an hour.
And I was like, God, it's fucking terrifying.
Let's see what that feels like.
luis j gomez
Did you fuck up anything that we don't know about?
big jay oakerson
Nope.
joe rogan
Felt exactly like a regular set.
And I did one set there Friday night that we filmed as well that didn't go live.
And then the Saturday night one was completely live.
And it was, you know, I had already done the room, so I was relaxed.
I got a feel for the room, you know, because of Friday night.
It was a lot of fun.
The show was great.
And I was like, okay, we're ready.
And then Saturday, just all day going over material, watching recordings.
I just saturated my brain so I could just be completely relaxed when I went out there.
So I was like 100% prepared, as opposed to like a regular Tuesday night where you could just kind of go on stage.
Like, you know, you know, your acts.
You know, you go on stage, you start opening up and getting into your bits, but you're not like meticulously dialed in.
big jay oakerson
No, I told Netflix that I would do it with crowd work.
joe rogan
Oh, you totally should.
big jay oakerson
And they, I mean, they were responding with Zeno.
luis j gomez
No, they said the same thing.
big jay oakerson
They responded.
They just.
joe rogan
They're like, we don't want to get sued.
luis j gomez
I told Netflix I would do a feature film for them.
They just didn't get back to me.
unidentified
Ah, bro.
joe rogan
They'd have to see you one weekend.
They'd be like, are you fucking crazy?
No.
big jay oakerson
I'd love that pass.
But again, almost like what you're saying, though, to me, it's like, I'm not saying that I wouldn't be nervous to I would be very nervous doing that.
And that would be kind of the fun of it.
Like being that amped up to do it.
joe rogan
Yeah, definitely.
big jay oakerson
Because I think you'd also like, especially with it being crowd work, I was like, you'd see it kind of unfold.
You know what I mean?
Like, you'd kind of see the pacing and the build of it because I have to do it for an hour.
It'd be interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And you got to, that's one of the things, like, you have to be doing a lot of sets leading up to that, too, to be relaxed.
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
luis j gomez
They filmed, they secretly filmed because I was filming on Saturday and they filmed my Friday shows without telling me.
And I fucking killed.
And that was like the biggest relief because Bobby Kelly directed it.
And he was like, dude, we got it.
He was like, about the show.
I was like, well, I thought they were just testing the camera.
big jay oakerson
I just wanted to go home.
I think that's the one, dude.
You don't need me anymore.
joe rogan
Dude, we got it.
luis j gomez
Dude.
Dude, it's perfect.
unidentified
He's almost sick.
joe rogan
Dude, you nailed it.
big jay oakerson
Looks like we're all sick.
luis j gomez
But that was that.
joe rogan
Yeah, once you know you got it in the can, then it's lifted off of your back.
What a weird fucking art form, you know?
Very strange.
Those are Dice's cigarettes.
I know.
Unlit.
big jay oakerson
Unlit broken.
joe rogan
He just has these cigarettes and he just breaks them and puts them in there.
luis j gomez
Jay just quit smoking cigarettes, but he needs to smoke cigarettes on the podcast.
joe rogan
I was like, how's it going?
luis j gomez
He's like, I'm going to smoke now.
I was like, I was like, why?
He's like, it's like three hours, dude.
And I was like, the hours are going to exist whether we're on our podcast or not.
joe rogan
But other than that, you had quit smoking?
big jay oakerson
Yeah, like stay loose, though.
When I came in, when we did the show last time, two times ago at the end of the show, I was like, I got to go smoke.
And Jamie went, you can smoke in here.
I'm like, oh, really?
He goes, yes.
And then the last time we came in, I did smoke.
And when it was done, call it like wearing lucky underwear or something.
I was like, we had a good flip back and forth.
We were all giant.
We made the Rogansphere.
unidentified
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
We officially got the Rogansphere.
We've been repping hard out there in the streets.
luis j gomez
We tell everyone.
big jay oakerson
I get my credits.
I go from the Bonfire Legion of Skanks and most notably, the Rogansphere.
joe rogan
The Manosphere is a real subject.
Like people believe that it's real, that there's this coalition of men trying to convert young boys into the evil ways of being a man, the Manosphere.
luis j gomez
I think that's the same thing as the Rogansphere.
joe rogan
No, the Manosphere.
The Manosphere.
It's like there's levels.
Like Andrew Tate's the highest level of the right.
luis j gomez
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's top G of the Manosphere.
luis j gomez
Of course.
joe rogan
If you're categorizing those things, the thing that you're most terrified of is a guy like Andrew Tate.
big jay oakerson
I was never stoked on that kind of like.
luis j gomez
If I'm a young Ukrainian girl.
unidentified
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
I've never been to that kind of like the Maxim magazine spike TV like energy of what they're like, this is what guys want to see.
A car crash and a girl with bones.
luis j gomez
I had a Maxim magazine subscription FHM.
joe rogan
The thing about it is, yeah, you're right, but also it works.
big jay oakerson
No.
joe rogan
Why try to reinvent the wheel?
big jay oakerson
No, the hell never works.
I pulled myself out of that thing because I was like, this isn't my, like, getting a Maxim magazine, like, hometown chicks in their bikinis.
I'm like, these girls would never talk to me.
I just have too much self-loathing to be into it.
joe rogan
Dude, if you could do it.
big jay oakerson
There's fancy clothes.
Well, I don't fit in those clothes.
Like, everything was just a bummer out of those magazines.
So I would just get straight pornography.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
You can get those girls.
big jay oakerson
No.
Well, sometimes I'd always buy the three packs, and one of them would have to be like jugs or voluptuous magazines.
luis j gomez
And then in the middle, there's always one with a bunch of gross chicks.
big jay oakerson
Or just straight trans.
But I always believe when I was young, when I was young going through my dad's, I found my dad's porn collection, and there was a couple of weirdies in there, like a couple of trans or like local personal ads.
And then as I got older and started buying the three packs, I was like, let's just believe that was the third one.
He didn't know what it was.
But then, why'd you keep it?
unidentified
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
Toss it.
joe rogan
Dude, did you see that Don Lemon got in trouble because he said that Megan Kelly looks trans?
big jay oakerson
It's just a strong jaw, strong jawline.
unidentified
Please Google this to find if this is true or we'll be in trouble.
joe rogan
I don't want to get sued by Don Lemon.
jamie vernon
He said clockable.
big jay oakerson
Sora works.
joe rogan
What did he say?
jamie vernon
The word was clockable, is what I said.
joe rogan
Clockable.
Just pull up the actual thing.
But people were saying, oh my God, like he's actually using you look trans as an insult.
Do you know how crazy that is?
Outspoken LGBTQ ally Don Lemon faces backlash after claiming Megan Kelly looks trans.
luis j gomez
Oh, it blew up in his face.
joe rogan
I say, oh.
You know how funny that is?
luis j gomez
Oh, didn't that happen with what's your name?
AOC just, she called, she was making fun of somebody for being short, some like other like dude.
And now everyone's like trashing her because she was like, you can't make fun of short people.
joe rogan
Hey, go back to that.
Go back to what he said.
It says, Lemon said he thought Kelly looked chopped.
He said, I think she looks trans, Lemon said.
In response, Lemon's co-host wrapped up the show saying, let's end on that note.
big jay oakerson
It's fantastic.
joe rogan
Bro, that editor hates him.
There's no way that editor doesn't hate him to say, let's end on that.
luis j gomez
Clockable is a hilarious thing to call a woman.
joe rogan
That is so crazy.
But that's, well, also, he's gay, right?
So he doesn't know that Megan Kelly's hot.
She's dangerous, like, super smart lawyer hot.
big jay oakerson
Is he out gay?
I don't follow him.
He's like an out gay guy.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
Don Lemon's married to a guy.
big jay oakerson
Black guy?
joe rogan
I think he's married to a white guy.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
You're not going to put a black guy on your butt.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
big jay oakerson
That's what they do.
joe rogan
Are you sure?
big jay oakerson
That's what gay sex is.
I don't know.
This is probably the first time this has permeated the Rogansphere.
unidentified
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
Gay sex.
luis j gomez
You think the manosphere would know something about this?
joe rogan
So when I was a kid, when I was young, like there was no online, obviously.
And the first time I ever saw gay porn was a girl that I met at a comedy club.
I met this lady at a comedy club.
I was like 22, maybe.
And we go back to her apartment in Long Island.
And she goes, gay guys lived here before me.
And I go, how do you know?
And she goes, because they left a tape.
I go, a tape of what?
She goes, it's a gay porn.
I go, shut up.
And she goes, you want to see it?
I go, okay.
So she puts it on, and it's these two guys.
And this guy pulls this guy's shorts down and pushes him up against a tree and just starts sucking his cock.
And I'm like, I got to get out of here.
big jay oakerson
That's how it always is.
luis j gomez
That's enough for me.
I already came.
joe rogan
I was like, I didn't know that that really happened.
You know what I mean?
luis j gomez
It looks weird, right?
The first time I, because I moved to New York City when I was 19, and you didn't really experience homosexuality until you're in a big city like that.
And the first time I saw two guys like kissing, it looked like aliens.
Like it was the craziest thing ever.
And now we're so desensitized to it because everything in the beginning.
Because porn.
joe rogan
We're so desensitized because so many people have seen porn.
But like seeing gay porn when I was 20, I knew that they had sex.
I didn't have a problem with that at all.
But it was the shocking reality of watching a guy just another guy.
And you're like, yo.
big jay oakerson
It's jarring, no doubt.
joe rogan
I got to get out of here.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, it's definitely jarring.
luis j gomez
Did I take the tape with me?
joe rogan
You're like, that's disturbing.
big jay oakerson
It was very disturbing.
Yeah.
Anytime you see it, it looks wrong.
It looks like the wrong thing is happening.
joe rogan
I would shut it off.
big jay oakerson
So they seem to have a fantastic time, dude.
joe rogan
They seem to have a wonderful time.
Some people like spicy food.
big jay oakerson
You ever seen the movie Fright Night?
joe rogan
Probably.
big jay oakerson
The older or 976 Evil.
They were two popular horror movies.
joe rogan
I think I remember Fright Night.
big jay oakerson
Fright Night, the one that played Evil Ed, his best friend, the kid's best friend, when Times Got Tough did gay porn.
Man, he got, it was like really hardcore.
It was as jarring as, like, I said, when like China did pornography, you're like, damn, dude, this guy was not in this world.
And then the girl from Boy Meets World does porn now.
Aggressive black gangbang pornography.
luis j gomez
Gay porn?
big jay oakerson
No, no, no.
She's it's a girl.
luis j gomez
Oh, which girl?
big jay oakerson
She was on later seasons of Boy Meets World.
I think Maitland Ward, her name is.
Shock, she just does pornography now, but like a lot of it in her butt.
unidentified
Whoa.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
BBC.
luis j gomez
Thank you.
big jay oakerson
It's an industry term.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
big jay oakerson
That's an industry term.
joe rogan
Conversation took a dark turn.
big jay oakerson
Big black cock.
Nice.
Good work.
Dark turn.
We'll be right back after these messages.
luis j gomez
Porn, I still watch porn here and there, but it's just gotten to the point where just every time I watch it and I start jerking off, I feel like this sense of like, like almost like if somebody was watching Marina, how pathetic this would look.
joe rogan
Yeah.
luis j gomez
Like you're like beating your dick like a monkey.
joe rogan
Somebody probably is watching you.
There's probably, yeah, there's probably someone's collecting information of you.
luis j gomez
Of how I jerk off?
joe rogan
Yeah, either through your front-facing camera or through the camera on your computer.
big jay oakerson
Good thing that my facial recognition pictures are this.
Take that picture all you want.
You're not going to get any doors with that.
luis j gomez
We all kind of know it, right?
Like we know that the cameras are on, but we still jerk off right in front of our computers.
joe rogan
You know what's weird?
big jay oakerson
You just piece of tape over it and I'm like, let them see.
joe rogan
It's weird that porn is free, basically.
Like you just go on a website and you can watch it.
But also they're still making it.
luis j gomez
Sort of.
I think the studios are like almost barely making anything anymore.
It's all like OnlyFans checking out.
joe rogan
But even that, just imagine, this is the thing.
What I'm saying is nobody's seen it at all.
Why are you making new ones?
Like no, there's no way there's enough supply for the or demand rather for the supply.
There's so much porn.
luis j gomez
It's weird, though.
I still will go back to like my favorite.
big jay oakerson
I was going to say, but also if you're pretty genre specific, you will see them all eventually.
luis j gomez
You've seen everything.
Jay's seen everything.
joe rogan
If you're genre specific, that's what you're going to do.
big jay oakerson
Well, LobsterTube takes me through it alphabetically, you see?
luis j gomez
So AI porn is not AI porn, VR porn.
joe rogan
Oh, AI porn is coming, bro.
luis j gomez
Oh, AI porn.
joe rogan
You're going to be able to have Art Bell having sex with, you know.
luis j gomez
Me?
joe rogan
You.
big jay oakerson
Finally.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Louis Jay Gomez.
big jay oakerson
Well, they already did the, remember, wasn't that all the Taylor Swift getting like gangbanged by the Kansas City Chiefs?
luis j gomez
Oh, yeah, like the president smacking her ass.
joe rogan
They have that already?
big jay oakerson
Oh, yeah.
That was a game.
luis j gomez
They were very good AI pictures of Taylor, and she was just like in a crowd.
big jay oakerson
This guy knows her.
luis j gomez
There's guys grabbing her ass on her.
joe rogan
First basis.
luis j gomez
It was her like sitting on Trump's lap.
And it was like, they were like actually really good.
big jay oakerson
And then Taytay, they took some pictures of her.
I call her Taytay.
Nice.
But no, I thought there were her getting fucked by like the Chiefs.
But I think it was funny.
I believe she came out and was like, everyone, those aren't me.
Which is like, it's a funny acknowledgement to have to make.
Guys, I didn't get gangbanged by the Kansas City Chiefs.
joe rogan
Well, you know, some 15-year-old girls in school and her friends are like, yeah, it was real.
She really did get gangbanged.
You need Taylor to come out and say it, right?
Hey, guys, it wasn't me.
big jay oakerson
Everybody, that wasn't me.
But isn't it crazy?
joe rogan
Is it that good now that you can't tell?
big jay oakerson
I feel you could tell.
That's almost the thing.
joe rogan
I don't think anymore, man.
I think.
big jay oakerson
I don't know why they can't figure it out.
Remember the big tell is like hands and fingers.
joe rogan
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Well, it used to be hair, too.
They used to be terrible at generating hair.
It's like if you watch I Am Legend, like the CGI, which is terrible.
Yeah.
luis j gomez
My mom used to have an I Am Legend poster on her bedroom wall that I assume she masturbated to.
big jay oakerson
And then you'd forget the name of the movie all the time.
luis j gomez
Not I am.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Not I Am Legend.
I was thinking of Legends of the Fall.
joe rogan
That's very different.
luis j gomez
It was Legends of the Fall, but I do have a Legend tattoo because I forget the name of the movie I Am Legend all the time.
joe rogan
I think they're real close to AI being as normal looking as any 4K video.
luis j gomez
I don't think, I think they could just away from it being like straight up.
You could generate a whole movie.
big jay oakerson
No, but what generation is going to be generally into like consuming and giving a shit about an AI-made movie?
There's something about.
Didn't you even feel like sometimes I go back and watch a little bit older movies and it's good.
Like, thank God, like The Thing, the movie The Thing.
John Carpenter.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
Thank God it was like practical effects time still.
And it wasn't just like, because now you're just watching a video game.
joe rogan
Right.
luis j gomez
Think about that exact thing.
You can't go back and watch.
Like if you try to watch Psycho now, right?
Compared to like, it just, it's not scary.
When people, when Psycho came out, people were vomiting in the movie theater and they were running out like freaking out.
You get used to whatever it is.
Like my son can't watch a movie from the 80s, really.
He like, he can't hold his attention.
Like whatever.
So I think as the technology goes on and as we're autistic, as we're doing more and more AI content, people are going to get used to it and that's what they're going to be used to consuming.
It's like short videos.
Everyone watches short 30-second, one-minute long clips.
Now, nobody really watches TV shows or movies.
big jay oakerson
I mean, people are still watching movies, I think.
But it's just like...
luis j gomez
Older people.
big jay oakerson
Maybe.
That's what I'm saying.
We might be the dying breed of giving a shit about that at all.
Somebody will be like, yeah, if you can get every star I love into be in one movie, I'll watch it, even if it's fake.
joe rogan
I think you're definitely going to get people that accept that.
And you're going to be able to just generate it instantly with a prompt.
You know, they're doing, they do Star Wars scenes that never happened with young Luke Skywalker now.
Have you seen them?
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
joe rogan
You've seen them, right?
Jimmy, put one up just so we could look at it.
It's fucking incredible.
It looks better than the original Star Wars footage, right?
Because that stuff wasn't in HD back then.
And it looks exactly like young Luke Skywalker and in the exact same voice because they just take the voice from Luke Skywalker from the movies, regenerate it, and it could say anything you wanted to.
big jay oakerson
It's better than like animated stuff, but I've never even been able to follow when they do animated versions.
I think there's like an animated Predator movie coming out that I'll never watch.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's all just CGI, weird stuff.
It's like that uncanny valley.
Rick Baker talked about that.
He's the guy that made the American Werewolf in London.
Yeah, he made Thriller too.
The werewolf that's in the lobby.
That's what that's from.
And he said, when you're seeing something and you know that it's real, you know, you know, it's a physical thing.
He goes, it just looks better.
Like when you're creating everything with computers, your brain knows that.
Your brain knows that's not really a dragon.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's not really a dragon.
But if you make something that actually looks like a dragon, it's going to be, even if it's darker and even if it's not as clear, it's going to be way more effective.
Like the alien movies.
luis j gomez
It's like when I watch a movie and I know somebody in the movie, like it's a friend of mine acting, it's hard for me to suspend disbelief.
joe rogan
Look at this.
This is crazy.
Like, this is a scene that never happened in any of the Star Wars movies, and you can generate it with a prompt.
big jay oakerson
I guess I would watch it.
joe rogan
Yeah, you'd watch it, dude.
big jay oakerson
Because I just what a heartfelt speech I just gave to turn around immediately when I saw it and go, oh, I'd watch a movie look like this.
joe rogan
Yeah, look how good that looks.
Like, and the alien movies are a good example.
Like, you go and see, like, like, Alien One.
It's a dude in a suit, okay?
And there's something about the way it moves that it looks like a real thing.
But then if you get to, like, later movies, not necessarily even in the alien genre, but any genre where you have, like, CGI monsters running around.
Like, you know, the underworld series, like the werewolves were, like, CGI.
It just doesn't.
big jay oakerson
No, it doesn't feel the same at all.
joe rogan
It's like just kind of accepting that this is happening.
It doesn't look as fast as possible.
luis j gomez
I think they had to use better like cinematography and tricks and sound.
They had to literally be perfect on everything in order to bring it to life.
Whereas now you can just computer generate anything.
joe rogan
They also like hid stuff and it made it scary.
Like the American Werewolf in London, one of the scariest things about it is you don't see the full werewolf for longer than like a second at a time ever.
You just see it right before it's attacking people.
You see it right when it's at the bottom of the escalator.
You don't get a lot of view until late in the movie.
luis j gomez
I think in Jaws, right, they don't show the shark until the end, like the very end of the movie.
You don't see the shark.
joe rogan
Is that true?
luis j gomez
I think so, yeah.
big jay oakerson
Do you know they show in the making?
I used to watch the making of Michael Jackson's thriller a lot.
luis j gomez
More than once?
big jay oakerson
So much.
I have a lot of fun with that.
joe rogan
Rick Baker is the fucking man.
big jay oakerson
Rick Baker himself is the man.
He's in Thriller.
He comes out of the mausoleum.
He's the zombie that comes out of the mausoleum.
joe rogan
The shark and Jaws is a total of about four minutes of screen time with the first full appearance not occurring until one hour and 21 minutes into the film.
That's crazy.
big jay oakerson
If you want to see something funny.
luis j gomez
It's all music.
The tone is like, it's just all the whole, the whole, everything scary about Jaws is just the music.
joe rogan
Wow.
big jay oakerson
Spielberg.
More Jew lies.
jamie vernon
The dinosaurs.
big jay oakerson
More Jew lies, of course, Spielberg.
joe rogan
What did you say, Jamie?
jamie vernon
The dinosaurs and drift, the first Jurassic Park, were only on screen for like 15 minutes total.
joe rogan
That was the best CGI ever up until that point.
luis j gomez
Oh, that was crazy.
big jay oakerson
They know it wasn't.
Do you want to see something funny?
Jamie, if you could bring up Michael Jackson filming the audio while he's in like werewolf makeup of changing and they want to like scream.
You know, he's growling because it's like the pain of changing into a werewolf.
And they just keep going back and forth.
luis j gomez
He's not officially a werewolf, right?
He's a cat, isn't it?
It was like the official statement from the directionality.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's like a were cat or something.
big jay oakerson
So whatever he's doing while he's changing, they keep bouncing back from the sound booth to the actual video where it's like he's changing, like, oh!
unidentified
And then in the booth, he's going, ow!
Yow!
big jay oakerson
Michael Jackson.
It's so goddamn funny.
unidentified
Woohoo!
big jay oakerson
It's definitely the best.
joe rogan
Music videos used to be the shit.
big jay oakerson
Especially when he's like, get away, I jumped from the couch to a living.
Yeah, it scared the shit out of me.
Because also I'm like, Michael Jackson, my hero.
Yeah, here.
That's Rick Baker.
joe rogan
Can you find the scene in Thriller where he becomes a were cat or whatever the fuck he is?
Because it's not really a werewolf, right?
It's like something else.
luis j gomez
I think they officially came out and said it was like a cat-like creature.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, it was such a good fucking video, man.
You remember?
big jay oakerson
That's earlier in this.
joe rogan
How old were you guys when this came out?
This was before your time, right?
luis j gomez
Oh, this would have come out in like 88, maybe?
joe rogan
Yeah, so you're a little kid.
luis j gomez
26.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was in high school.
big jay oakerson
I think it was when she's getting scared.
I'm so sorry.
I'm talking over.
joe rogan
No, no worries.
big jay oakerson
It's right there when he's changing.
Yeah.
joe rogan
What year is this, Jamie?
unidentified
83.
joe rogan
Yeah.
luis j gomez
83.
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Wow.
Look at that thing.
big jay oakerson
Back up a little bit.
Yeah, here.
unidentified
Excellent.
big jay oakerson
End slate.
joe rogan
Wow.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, it's in this.
unidentified
Okay, we're going to do this metamorphosis on Michael Jackson.
So first of all, we live in Breeze.
We did these overlays on acetate.
First, we had to paint out the Rolling Stone and all that.
luis j gomez
It's like, does that exist still?
Like, would they create this sort of image to even do this anymore?
unidentified
He's now got a wig on.
joe rogan
He would.
unidentified
Full face, foam rubber appliance.
We're going to have bladders and a little mech- Yeah.
big jay oakerson
This was actually kind of shitty.
Dude, this was as shitty to do to kids as Miley Cyrus punching her fucking pussy on the MTV Awards that one year.
joe rogan
Did she punch her pussy?
big jay oakerson
Oh, my God.
unidentified
She punched it.
big jay oakerson
My daughter was right in the wheelhouse of being a Hannah Montana fan.
And then one year we were watching the MTV Awards and she's like, Miley Cyrus.
And she came out Robin Thick, and she just kept number one finger and she keeps like ramming it in her snatch.
And I was like, oh, hey.
And then I became a Miley Cyrus fan.
And my daughter was not allowed to be a fan anymore.
luis j gomez
Yeah, that was like a borderline good movie was a thriller.
unidentified
Yeah, man.
luis j gomez
Like it's what it's like 20 minutes?
joe rogan
That scene, the transformation scene, when he turns around, his eyes look so good.
It's fucking amazing.
luis j gomez
It's so funny that Michael Jackson is like the one guy who like it's basically confirmed that he fucked kids.
joe rogan
I don't think that's not confirmed.
No.
luis j gomez
Is it not confirmed?
joe rogan
Hold on, let's watch this.
I'll definitely want to talk about it.
unidentified
Get away!
big jay oakerson
It's heavy for a kid.
luis j gomez
Oh, she would have already run.
She's screaming for so long.
big jay oakerson
Ola Ray.
The girl who plays the girl.
Fun fact.
You got him screaming?
Ola Ray.
Fun fact.
Did Playboy full bush.
joe rogan
Wow.
Full bush.
It's funny because this is so corny today.
But back then, it was like legitimately good.
unidentified
We were like, wow, that looks so real.
joe rogan
People are so dumb in the 80s.
We were like, that looks so real.
big jay oakerson
Oh, it did.
luis j gomez
That's such a great meme, too.
joe rogan
This whole scene where it goes from that to like him being a zombie.
Fucking amazing, man.
It was like a movie and a good one.
And he's dancing.
He's looking so cool.
I know, we can't play the music.
big jay oakerson
I really didn't think it was cool.
Did you find the screaming at all, Jamie?
Sorry, man.
joe rogan
So fucking just scooch up to where he becomes a zombie.
unidentified
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
He's betrayed her twice in this video, by the way.
joe rogan
I know.
It's men.
They're a real problem.
big jay oakerson
And then the message of this.
luis j gomez
Is that the most famous dance ever?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It has to be.
big jay oakerson
I used to do it for my great-grandmother, Selma Eisenstein.
She didn't love it.
joe rogan
There's probably some sort of conspiracy.
big jay oakerson
But this part, though, I could still nail today.
luis j gomez
If there's more room in here, Jay, please.
big jay oakerson
Yo, if there was more room in here.
luis j gomez
I want to see you do that part right in the crowd.
unidentified
Ah, shit.
big jay oakerson
The thriller dance.
joe rogan
I always thought that.
big jay oakerson
By the way, the story of this is he betrays her twice in the movie.
He lures her out when he knows it's going to be a full moon, turns into a werewolf, and hunts her.
luis j gomez
It's about to be a third time, by the way.
big jay oakerson
No, exactly.
She goes for it in two seconds.
He goes, hey, what's going on?
She goes, oh, I must be crazy.
And then he fools her yet again.
luis j gomez
Third time.
big jay oakerson
This chick, at this point, she deserves whatever she gets.
joe rogan
That's how the devil works, Big Jay.
big jay oakerson
Look, right.
By the way, inconsistency.
He doesn't turn back into the zombie.
He's now going to be the werewolf from the movie.
luis j gomez
Weird.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a lot of different things.
big jay oakerson
They threw a lot at you.
And then Vincent Price.
luis j gomez
So he didn't fuck kids.
joe rogan
So here's the thing.
big jay oakerson
I might just confirm, but I'll tell you what.
joe rogan
This is why.
This is why I'm saying, you know, the doctor that went to jail for providing him with that propofol, that doctor said that he was chemically castrated when he was young, which is why he kept that voice.
Which also kind of makes sense when you look at his physique, right?
Because he was like very slight.
And if you look at his brothers, they're all like way bigger guys.
I don't know if the doctor's telling the truth, but if he was, that's not an unprecedented thing.
They used to do that with lessons.
They used to do that with opera singers.
They used to do that with opera singers.
It's called a castrado.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, but I don't think either that there's like anal sex accusations on him or stuff like that.
I just saw like touching and sleeping together.
joe rogan
It could be inappropriate behavior.
First of all, he became famous when he was like six years old and became like the most famous person ever.
Like you're going to get fucked up.
luis j gomez
Yeah, it's like suspended.
joe rogan
Yeah, you see it happen with suspended childhood.
luis j gomez
With Britney Spears now, and who else is the other one that's kind of going crazy?
Oh, Ariana Grande.
She's like, if you watch interviews with her now, she is going to be a wackadoodle Michael Jackson Britney Spears type in the future, guaranteed.
She's like all like, she talks like a fairy.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Well, I saw that one with her, with the other lady from Wicked, and then there was a lesbian saying you guys are holding space.
And everyone's like, did you see?
What the fuck are you guys talking about?
Who talks like this?
big jay oakerson
It's a crazy thing.
Did you see a lady?
There was some backlash because a lady made like a mock-up.
I guess the Wicked playbill.
joe rogan
Wicked is really good, by the way.
big jay oakerson
I was saying it was great.
joe rogan
The movie's amazing.
But Ariana Grande and that lady, the other lady.
big jay oakerson
But the playbill.
joe rogan
What's her name?
big jay oakerson
Wow.
You knew Ariana Grande.
luis j gomez
No, no.
unidentified
Wow.
Wow.
joe rogan
Wildly inappropriate.
big jay oakerson
I call her Nose Ring Baldhead.
joe rogan
Oh, that's her Indian name.
big jay oakerson
Me?
I call her Nose Ring Baldhead.
Oh, my God.
But she, there was a, so the playbill for the movie or the show on Broadway is a silhouette of the Wicked Witch and I guess Glenda like whispering in the ear, but like really covering the face, her own face.
In the movie poster, it's clearly Ariana Grande whispering in the ear of the lady who plays Nose Ring Baldhead.
And then a lady made a mock-up of the movie poster as the playbill.
So like shadowed out the witch and moved Ariana Grande's hand to cover the face.
And it got all this backlash because that lady was like, I'm a proud black woman.
You cover my face in this thing.
And she was like, no, I was just making it like that.
And then she got all this backlash and she removed the post eventually.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
big jay oakerson
She had to take it down for a thing.
She was like, I just thought it was a fun mock-up to make the movie poster look like the playbill.
And it's like, once again, putting a black woman in the background.
I don't know if that's what was going on there.
Come on, nose ring bald head.
joe rogan
Well, here's the thing.
big jay oakerson
This ain't the way you're supposed to act.
Nose ring bald head.
Everyone loves the movie.
joe rogan
In order for you to act in that style as well as they did, you've got to be a little crazy.
You're going to pretend you're a fucking witch and you're flying around destroying everything.
And you're doing it really well.
You're probably a little kooky.
And if you want that talented, you're going to get kooky.
And if you give Kookie the reins to, you know, to do those kooky interviews where they're talking about holding space and like let her.
luis j gomez
Well, that was kind of like we grew up at a time where it's like you'd hear about like a director like coming in and like assaulting an actress in order to get the scene out of her.
Like he's just trying to punch her in the face.
It's like, all right, action.
joe rogan
And it'd be like standing on the back of the city.
And Steve McQueen did that.
luis j gomez
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
To whatever, the woman he was dating in that movie.
There's a scene where she didn't know that he was going to hit her, and he just starts smacking her around.
And it's, what was her name?
Allie Allie McGraw.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And I think they were dating at the time.
And he smacks the shit out of her, like, for real, for real.
luis j gomez
To get the shot.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I don't think she knew.
Look at this.
big jay oakerson
She used to turn up in Celebrity Sleuth Magazine when I was younger.
Big nips.
joe rogan
Bro, he's really slapping her.
This is real.
And so she's actually really freaking out because he just beat her in front of the cameras.
luis j gomez
This is acting.
This is why she wants to make an actor.
joe rogan
Was that in translated in Russian?
luis j gomez
It's like a famous scene like Russian.
The little kid who's like crying on the porch.
big jay oakerson
Well, in Russia, there's a story of triumph.
joe rogan
I was like, why do those slaps sound fake?
unidentified
That sounded bad.
joe rogan
He got a Russian version of dub sound, too.
That was so good.
unidentified
That was a wide scene.
joe rogan
That sound was terrible.
unidentified
It was like she hit the wooden box with a bat.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
But yeah, he smacked the shit out of her for real in that scene.
luis j gomez
There was a scene where I don't know what movie it was, but it was a little kid who's crying on a porch, and the director told the kid that their parents were dead or something.
Maybe they told them that their pet was dead or whatever to get the kid crying.
But it's like, that was great movie making.
That was real.
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
Yeah, that's Stanley Kubrick.
And what's her name?
The one who played Wendy in the Shining.
luis j gomez
Was she ever naked in anything?
big jay oakerson
Shelly Duvall?
joe rogan
Shelly Duvall.
big jay oakerson
No, no, no.
He would freak her out.
He would be shitty to her to get her all frazzled.
She talked about it famously in interviews.
She didn't like it at all.
And she doesn't look back on it.
Like, oh, we had to do it to get the movie.
She was like, I think he's a bad person.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
Didn't she retire?
She was like, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Did a few more movies and like, fuck this.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, basically, you could play olive oil or scared lady who lives in a tucked away winter hotel.
luis j gomez
Yeah, I just saw her in something recently.
Did she die recently?
big jay oakerson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
luis j gomez
But she's, yeah, she's like a crazy old woman now.
Like, she's missing a tooth.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
luis j gomez
Yeah, it was good.
Poor women.
We just get better with age.
Women fall apart.
joe rogan
That business.
There's only a certain number of jobs for old ladies, and Faye Dunaway takes all of them.
big jay oakerson
Well, isn't it interesting?
I'm trying to think of the most contemporary I could think of change and seeing somebody go from like couldn't do no wrong, gorgeous, to like a lady now as Pam Anderson.
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, she's doing a good job at it.
Like Meryl Streep.
big jay oakerson
No, no, she's doing, she's actually doing a great job of it.
But there was a like a out of the limelight for a while and then showing back up major difference in her looks.
joe rogan
Right.
Well, she gave up on makeup.
big jay oakerson
Well, she, but she, you know, she left the public spotlight like Kid Rock's girlfriend and then came back like a grandmother.
joe rogan
Age appropriate.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, yeah.
luis j gomez
But I think they should be age appropriate.
You see, like Dolly Parton now, and she looks like just like she still looks like she's 35 years old.
unidentified
Oh, really?
luis j gomez
Well, it's crazy.
big jay oakerson
She's dressing like she's 35 years old.
luis j gomez
No, of course, but it's like she's like still stuck in this like sort of like big hair and makeup and like big fat titties.
big jay oakerson
She comes from fucking way, like 60s and shit.
luis j gomez
You're 104 years old.
Just get old already.
joe rogan
Well, I think if you, the thing is, if you're a woman and you, a lot of like the value that you bring to a conversation is that you're unbelievably beautiful.
Like people are excited to talk to you.
And then whatever else you have to say is just a bonus on top of it.
But if you're really hot, people just want to talk to you.
And then you get to a point in your life where that just stops.
So like your life's focus has been about being attractive, looking great, you know, being really fit, looking hot.
So you walk in the room, oh my God, look at her.
She's a firecracker.
And then that just goes away.
And if your whole life is based on just that one thing and you don't pivot to something else, like, okay, let's just find a hobby.
Let's just find some other.
Let's just try not to be hot at 80.
You know?
big jay oakerson
Did you see the substance?
That's kind of the substance.
That was great.
joe rogan
Great movie.
big jay oakerson
But it's so funny.
Like, you know, whatever the message of the movie was, what got me was like, by the end of it, like, she wasn't bad looking at all.
You know, she looked really great for her age, but still just didn't want that at all.
joe rogan
Just a few ladies who age gracefully, like, Julia Roberts is aging gracefully.
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
luis j gomez
I haven't seen her in a minute.
joe rogan
Meryl Streep.
She aged gracefully.
It's just.
big jay oakerson
Helen Mirren.
joe rogan
But then you look over at Chris Kardashian, or what would you call her?
No.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, Chris Kardashian, they're getting like, well, apparently there's a new surgery that fixes your shitty surgery in Hollywood.
So that's.
So she looks good again.
joe rogan
That's what they did to her?
big jay oakerson
She looks like good, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, Chris Jenner.
Yes.
big jay oakerson
And that's a big change.
joe rogan
And everybody's freaking out.
Oh, my God, she got a new head.
And all these other ladies want a new head, too.
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
luis j gomez
Have you seen the difference?
I haven't seen this one, but the daughters, like, if you watch like a girl, no, no, no, no, no, no.
joe rogan
This one's crazy.
This is the craziest one.
luis j gomez
She looks new head.
big jay oakerson
She looks like a sister.
joe rogan
She's got a new head.
luis j gomez
She's like one of the heads of heads.
Kelly Osborne.
Kelly Osborne has a new head.
Kelly Osborne is a new human being because I just saw an interview with her after her dad died.
She's like literally just like a hot chick now.
She was a frumpy, square-body British chick her whole lifestyle.
She looked like you.
big jay oakerson
I thought she was cute, but that's good.
joe rogan
She looked cuter than you.
big jay oakerson
I thought I could get her.
joe rogan
But yeah, she looks like a totally new human being.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
Completely new.
joe rogan
What were you looking up?
luis j gomez
Chris Jenner.
joe rogan
Chris Jenner.
I want to know how old she is as well.
So when you look at those kind of results, you're like, okay, now I get it.
Now I get it.
Because before, I was like, you guys have to perfect this before you turn everybody into a lizard.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're doing a weird thing.
So this is what she looks like now.
luis j gomez
She looks great.
joe rogan
What are you talking about?
This can't be real.
Chrisvall, I want to know who took this picture and where did you get your camera?
What filters are you using?
Is that a filterless photo?
Because that's insane.
luis j gomez
Yeah, she looks great.
joe rogan
She looks insanely good.
luis j gomez
How old is she?
joe rogan
A thousand years old.
jamie vernon
69.
luis j gomez
69?
Toy.
joe rogan
See, like, that's incredible.
Whatever that doctor did.
luis j gomez
Yeah, if you're that rich, you know, what's that weird?
The average person can't afford this episode.
joe rogan
Captain, blue collar.
Settle down.
big jay oakerson
Now they're driving.
joe rogan
Settle the fuck down.
We're working with science here, not equity.
big jay oakerson
How about the chicks?
They're taking the chicks taking the pads out of their cheeks.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus, don't see that.
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
Crazy looking.
joe rogan
What is it called?
big jay oakerson
Crazy idea.
joe rogan
Buckle fat.
What is it called?
I think so.
big jay oakerson
Buckle.
unidentified
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
It's just it sounds like something so scary to do.
joe rogan
God damn it.
unidentified
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
It takes fucking shit out of your face.
joe rogan
See, like, but most plastic surgery I say, oh, that doesn't look better.
But with Chris Jenner, that looks better.
big jay oakerson
I think this is a specific thing that's happened.
There's some new surgery that's going to say correcting shitty surgery.
And a few people you can see are weirdly looking better now.
Maybe Nicole Kidman got fixed up a little bit.
joe rogan
Yeah, bro.
Who knows what they're doing?
luis j gomez
Dude, I'm going to get fucking fake abs.
If you can see those, the ab implants.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, I've always seen it.
I crowdsource it.
My audience will pay for it.
I'll get a fat ass.
joe rogan
Most of what they're doing is they're sucking out the fat in between the ab muscles to make them look like this.
luis j gomez
Oh, really?
It's lipo around the absolute.
It's actual implants.
big jay oakerson
No, what it really actually is is fat rolls.
They just fucking, right?
joe rogan
No, no.
Some people can get implants.
Like, there's that one guy that did his whole body like a Ken doll.
Do you know about that guy?
Oh, he's had like a ton of implants all over his shoulders and his arms.
He looks crazy, legitimately crazy.
I think maybe some people are doing what they're abs.
What a lot of people are doing is just a lipo section sculpture.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
Etching.
That's what they call it.
luis j gomez
Oh, you get all these things now for like because women have had like spanks forever and like just body shaping like things to wear under their clothes.
And they'll like they'll advertise them for dudes.
I don't know if I could wear like spanks to suck in my body.
big jay oakerson
I cannot possibly dream of a situation taking my clothes off in front of a woman and her having to watch me like spill out of a shirt on like with every like inch I take off like things just like start expanding.
So I got like I'm vacuum sealed.
luis j gomez
I have really bad posture, right?
And there's a few things that I've gotten to help with my posture.
One of them is like a thing that you stick to your back and if you lean down a little bit it buzzes and you correct yourself like it like it vibrates.
unidentified
Like a dog?
luis j gomez
Yeah, like a dog.
But another one that I had was a harness.
A harness that essentially.
big jay oakerson
Oh my god, it's all like a dog stuff.
I go up to a runner-out back and I can zoom all around with no fear of getting hit by a car.
unidentified
He's got a muzzle.
He has a collar that doesn't let him leave his yard.
luis j gomez
Every time I slouch, I get shocked.
No, there's a harness that you wear and it pulls your shoulders back like this.
joe rogan
I've seen that.
luis j gomez
Yeah, yeah.
But I got that and I was like, this one is actually pretty good because it corrects your posture naturally.
And I remember I went on a date with a girl and I hugged her and she goes, Are you wearing a bra?
And I was like, oh, I'd rather have she posture than be accused of wearing a bra.
unidentified
That's so hilarious.
joe rogan
That's so harnessy.
Are you wearing it?
big jay oakerson
Did you break off of a school trip where you were connected to other kids?
joe rogan
Oh my God.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
Just guys, there's nothing.
It's like being bald and wearing a hat.
Like, girls don't, they'd rather you just be bald.
Women don't want an unconfident man.
Like, I don't, men don't really give a shit about women's confidence as much, I guess.
big jay oakerson
But does a hat reek of lack of confidence?
luis j gomez
If you're a bald guy who wears a hat all the time.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, but a hack is a look, I think, almost.
joe rogan
Yeah, but the hat also, if you wear a bald cover, a hat will cover up your baldness.
luis j gomez
I used to wear a hat in the beginning because I was going bald when I was like 19.
big jay oakerson
I was like, I was going to say wearing a hat because you're going bald.
Like, starting to see the pattern of hat's just like a hard time.
If you shave your head down, if you already have a shaved head, but wearing it to hide, like receding hair.
luis j gomez
Yeah, when I was like 19, I started going bald and I would wear a hat all the time, all the time, before I started shaving my head down.
big jay oakerson
I've seen that before.
Somebody who wears a hat is like their look, and then one day they take it off.
They look like fucking riffraff from Rocky Horror.
Nothing on hair.
joe rogan
Apparently, there's a new drug.
Where's that drug developed?
Was it Taiwan?
There's some country developed a drug that's regrowing hair.
Like, they put it on bald mice and they demonstrated you could put it on like a square area.
I think I like being bald.
big jay oakerson
Oh, here we go.
joe rogan
Even if it grew back, I'd keep it super short.
I'd just keep it stubble.
luis j gomez
Let's see.
20 days it grows it back.
joe rogan
20 days.
Raising questions about what finding means for the treatment of human baldness.
But if I had a fucked up looking head, like if I had a flat head, I would definitely want some hair back there.
big jay oakerson
Can you go back to that article for a second?
luis j gomez
There's a certain look that doesn't work with...
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
Look, they grew like a square.
What part do you want to see?
big jay oakerson
What did you see with something?
Oh, it's a doctor.
That's what it was.
This guy may have figured out how to regrow hair in people's life.
And still, as Americans, we can't just, we're not going to learn Dr. Sung Yon.
We have to call him Jerry.
They call him Jerry because it's American.
Sung Gong?
What?
Oh, Jerry.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jerry.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, he solved baldness.
Learn his name.
joe rogan
Yeah, that is funny.
luis j gomez
Yeah, I would.
I just look better bald.
When I had hair, it was like kind of nappy and kinky and fucking, yeah, it wasn't good.
you'd like to try again though I mean just for the story and the hilarity of growing my hair back look how hilariously handsome I look No, look, it's a bit.
big jay oakerson
Guys.
Oh, my God.
Guys, I put keratin in it.
Isn't that funny?
It shimmers in the light.
joe rogan
You can get a mohawk.
Spider-break it up with wax.
luis j gomez
I tried to do a mohawk.
big jay oakerson
It's fun to have options.
luis j gomez
In the sixth grade, I tried to do a mohawk.
I did two gay haircut cuts in the sixth grade.
My mom was in hairdressing school, so she didn't know how to cut hair yet.
She was just like practicing on me.
And the one was a mohawk that went like, it was just not straight, like down the side of my head like this.
And then the other one was, remember Tong Po?
How he had like the braid in the back of his head?
joe rogan
Yuri Prohaska had like that for a while.
luis j gomez
Yeah, he did.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Duri had that.
So I saw that.
I was like, dude, that's really cool.
I was like, what I want to do, though, because my hair was like long.
I was like, I want to have the braid in the front like that, like long.
That was the idea.
And in my mind, though, eventually I would grow it long enough that I would attach a blade to it.
Oh, my God.
unidentified
Oh, no, no.
luis j gomez
Like a weapon would be my friend.
big jay oakerson
And Louis J. Gomez.
unidentified
The J is for flying guillotine.
luis j gomez
And I remember I had my mom shave my head down except for this one spot.
And then my hair, it wasn't really long enough to braid, and it was very poofy.
So my hair was just a poof ball right on the front of my head like this.
big jay oakerson
Because you were going to grow your tongue po thing.
luis j gomez
I was going to grow my tongue po thing.
And I showed up in the sixth grade and this kid Paul Tamanti was like, bro, your hair is gay.
big jay oakerson
You're not going to be a part of the Lu Tang clan.
luis j gomez
I just started punching him because there was nothing else I could do because I knew he was 100% right.
big jay oakerson
Nice loofah head, dick face.
joe rogan
How much time did you give yourself to grow something long enough where you could actually use it as a weapon rather than just scrape across your forehead?
Because it's got to grow.
If you're going to really make, and you're going to put a blade on the end of it.
luis j gomez
I was in the sixth grade.
In my mind, by the time I got to the 10th grade, it would be perfect blade hug.
big jay oakerson
Wow, dude.
That's patience.
joe rogan
Were you going to train with it?
Or were we just going to hope that when time comes, you know how to cut people?
big jay oakerson
You don't need to train for something like that, dude.
I say just hook it up and let it fly.
joe rogan
It's in your jeans, bro.
luis j gomez
I used to doodle characters and I used to doodle myself in karate classes.
Asian superhero with fucking a blade grade.
big jay oakerson
You think Ghostface Killer took lessons?
No, dude.
He just lived it.
joe rogan
Those kung fu movies, when I was a kid, like we used to go to Chinatown and watch kung fu movies.
There was kung fu theaters where you could go watch them.
And it was the like those kind of movies are the most unrealistic fight movies in the history of fight movies.
big jay oakerson
Dancing.
joe rogan
Like weird how they decided that that was going to be like a fight in a movie.
That doesn't look like any kind of fight in any real situation.
Like a mosh pit at a Pantera show.
That's what a fight looks like.
big jay oakerson
But was like.
Like Bruce Lee was like applicable.
joe rogan
Yeah, but Bruce Lee was very different than those Chinese kung fu movies.
Bruce Lee was just a martial artist fucking people up.
Those Chinese kung fu movies, it was like, whap, whap, ha, hey, ha!
big jay oakerson
Well, it's like just starting in positions.
Why would you even start like that?
luis j gomez
You would convince yourself that you could beat up five guys at once.
You'd be like, all right, I got it.
I just have to make sure that I have.
big jay oakerson
Oh, your stance was everything, dude.
When Tekken came out, you were like, oh, if I ever get on a street fight for now, I'm going full Eddie Gordo.
I don't have any kind of flying kicks or anything, but I'm definitely going to do a lot of hands down by my side dancing.
luis j gomez
Yeah, button away.
joe rogan
But there's like a weird tongue-in-cheek aspect to Chinese kung fu movies.
Like, they're kind of serious, but kind of not because everybody knows it wouldn't really work like that.
You know, they're the only ones that had that.
Like, all other fights.
You never see a Western with a kind of a corny choreographed fight scene between guys in a bar.
luis j gomez
They didn't get fighting in the movies.
It does it a lot.
Until recently, they didn't really nail fighting in movies, right?
Because boxing movies, even to this day, it really doesn't look real.
joe rogan
I tell you who did it well is Daniel Day-Lewis in that movie, The Fighter.
He did it well.
He did it well.
And he actually trained as a boxer for a full year before the film.
Like obsessed.
big jay oakerson
The fight?
Not the fighter.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
It's about the IRA guy that was in jail that gets out of jail.
What is it called?
Is that what it's called, Jamie?
big jay oakerson
The fighter is, I think, that's the Mickey Ward one.
joe rogan
Okay, which one is The Boxer?
Is that what it's called?
What's the Daniel Day-Lewis movie?
luis j gomez
Lincoln.
joe rogan
Lincoln.
luis j gomez
It was Lincoln, you're thinking of my left foot.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
The boxer.
joe rogan
It is the boxer.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
So in the boxer, he plays his IRA guy.
But it was an IRA guy, right?
Either way, looks very realistic.
Like, looks realistic.
Like, the movement is real.
The hand speed is real.
It's like they're really hitting each other.
It looks like a guy who's actually boxing versus a choreographed bunch of movements.
You know, like a guy.
It looks like legitimate.
big jay oakerson
That's why I lost my model my game after Clubber Lang.
joe rogan
Look how he throws punches, Matt.
I mean, you would think that this dude actually knows how to box.
I mean, this looks like an actual boxing match.
luis j gomez
Yeah, it looks good.
joe rogan
He looks good, Matt.
You know, you can tell when a guy's throwing punches at full speed with this technique.
luis j gomez
Sylvester Stallone did train boxing, though, for Rocky, right?
joe rogan
Yes, looks.
Sylvester Stallone knows how to box, sure, but this is different.
big jay oakerson
The movie, though, is not good boxing.
joe rogan
This is much more like an actual boxer moves.
What Sylvester Stallone did was make it very exciting, right?
And so it didn't have to be as realistic as it had to be just spectacular footage to make Rocky win and all that good stuff.
And it was fun.
This is different because this looks like an actual fight would look.
luis j gomez
Yeah, they did it good in what's the MMA movie?
Your father movie.
big jay oakerson
The Warrior.
luis j gomez
Warrior.
They did it.
big jay oakerson
The Roadhouse star in Conor McGregor.
You love that.
unidentified
That's movie fighting.
joe rogan
The first one was awesome.
Yeah, the first Roadhouse.
I didn't see the second Roadhouse.
I haven't seen the Conor McGregor one yet.
luis j gomez
That's terrible.
joe rogan
I haven't seen it.
luis j gomez
He just showed up as Connor McGregor on Coke every day.
big jay oakerson
Can I explain something?
About this movie?
Let me tell you the problem with this.
You know the first film well, I guess.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
big jay oakerson
Me too.
Very well.
It takes place in Missouri, where I believe this could happen.
A weird old man can take over the town with a monster truck and serve up his own brand to justice until you get Patrick Swayze to come to town and be the bouncer for the whole neighborhood.
I bought that.
Do you know the bad guy in this movie was like a mafia guy, basically, shaking everybody down for money.
unidentified
Right.
big jay oakerson
Do you watch the new one?
unidentified
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
The problem, do you remember, of the new one?
It takes place in Key West, Florida.
And the big bad man is offering this lady triple market value to buy her shanty shithole bar because they're building a resort and offered her the property a mile down the road.
That's who the bad guys are.
That's what you're supposed to be calling.
That's it.
luis j gomez
Legitimate real estate developers.
joe rogan
They're still a good deal.
big jay oakerson
And then quietly on the back end, they go, oh, they're also bringing in drugs.
That has nothing to do with the real bar bouncer issue that Roadhouse is supposed to be about.
joe rogan
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
It was so stupid.
luis j gomez
It was bad.
big jay oakerson
And then Conor McGregor.
joe rogan
How weird.
I wonder why they made that choice.
big jay oakerson
I don't know.
Well, it was going to be Ronda Rousey at first.
Remember that?
joe rogan
That was a long time ago, right?
big jay oakerson
That was crazy.
joe rogan
I think that was.
luis j gomez
If I showed up, there was a female bouncer at a place, I would start a fight just to see what would happen.
joe rogan
This is the fight.
big jay oakerson
What are you going to do?
Kick me out, princess?
What are you going to do?
Hey, how about when you choke me out?
Then you got to get my fucking body out of here.
Then what?
Princess?
You called her princess?
unidentified
Ronda Rousey breaks your shoulder.
joe rogan
The problem with me watching Jake Glillenhall and Connor McGregor in a fight scene is that's still, it's Conor McGregor.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You want me to suspend so much disbelief that you want me to think that Jake Gillenhall is going to fuck up Conor McGregor?
big jay oakerson
I believe that Connor McGregor would lose to Patrick Swayze, Dalton.
joe rogan
Well, pain don't hurt.
big jay oakerson
You would have seen him coming a mile away.
Left boob.
joe rogan
Oh, man, that movie was fun.
It was a fun movie because it's so kooky.
It's so like.
big jay oakerson
He is now culpable of two three-finger throat rip deaths.
Twice he's done that now.
joe rogan
The improbable.
big jay oakerson
The improbable choice.
How he gets them to leave that neck so exposed.
joe rogan
And they just matches it.
big jay oakerson
And by the way, talked himself out of killing yet a third at the end of the film.
That was the funniest thing.
To have a guy pinned down on a couch and you're on top of him, you'd assume the move is going to be the fist up in the air.
He three-fingers him up in the air.
He's threatening him with the claw.
Doesn't do it, though.
Also, the other suspension of disbelief, if you recall, is that the hardest fight he has is against the old man at the end.
The old man gives him a good run.
Ben Gazara.
luis j gomez
It's so funny because it's rare in street fights that you see people throw kicks, but when you see somebody throw an actual spinning kick in a street fight, it's the coolest thing ever.
unidentified
The kick to take away the gun.
big jay oakerson
And now she's like, you're an animal, dude.
luis j gomez
I feel like the kick into the water was unnecessary.
You already have his throat.
joe rogan
Now you got to kick him in the water.
big jay oakerson
He's like, I know.
I would never use the garden hoe again.
I promise.
joe rogan
The eagle claw.
big jay oakerson
I mean, that is a crazy.
joe rogan
Who wrote that into the script?
luis j gomez
It's his move.
joe rogan
Take his throat.
big jay oakerson
It's his finisher.
luis j gomez
It would be like, for somebody who knows how to, like, you really know how to fight.
You could actually murder somebody with your bare hands.
But I think about for somebody who doesn't know how to fight like me or Jay, how long it would take me to murder Big J with my bare hands.
big jay oakerson
There's a lot of things like, why are you trying to choke me?
unidentified
I'd be like, eventually just being able to be like, I'm tired.
luis j gomez
I'm covered in blood.
big jay oakerson
He sweat.
luis j gomez
He won't fucking die.
joe rogan
When I was a kid, I used to teach this guy who was a mob guy in Whitey Bulger's organized crime organization.
He wound up going to jail for murder.
And he was a guy used to, he was like a fucking hitman.
And he would train at the same Taekwondo school as me.
And I was teaching that guy private lessons.
And he was like.
big jay oakerson
Well, don't feel bad.
He wasn't killing them with Taekwondo.
joe rogan
Oh, he definitely wasn't, but he wanted to be able to.
He wanted to be able to.
big jay oakerson
He was getting tired of guns.
joe rogan
He goes, if you were going to kill somebody by hitting them, where would you hit him?
And I was like, I guess in the neck.
He's like, yeah.
I was like, okay.
I was like 16.
luis j gomez
Am I an accessory?
joe rogan
Bro, I was like 16 years old.
I was like, okay.
luis j gomez
Is that where you would end to this day?
Do you agree with 16-year-old Joe Rogan?
Is that where you end up?
joe rogan
I don't know why I told him the neck, probably because I didn't have a good answer.
I would say stomp their, I would say you knocked them unconscious and then stomped them to death.
luis j gomez
Their head.
joe rogan
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you wanted to kill somebody with your bare hands and feet, that's the best way to get it.
Well, I always choke them until choke them unconscious.
luis j gomez
And then keep choking them.
joe rogan
And they keep choking them.
big jay oakerson
I aim for a mythological spot under the armpit that shuts you off like a light switch.
joe rogan
The chakra.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
Soul sucker, I call it.
joe rogan
You know, it's just any kind of like physical conflict is a weird thing.
But I think the biggest problem with physical conflict is like most people have never done it.
And they're scared of it.
And then they puff their chest out and they act ridiculous.
big jay oakerson
I've done it a lot and I'm scared of it.
I've never done it like trained or well.
I mean, it's like street stuff and I'm still terrified of it.
joe rogan
So many guys talk themselves into a fucking terrible beating for no reason.
It's just because they think they're in a movie or something.
They think they have to say something back.
big jay oakerson
Well, I mean, the street out here keeps world star hip-hop alive.
Sixth Street.
I mean, it is.
And I'll tell you what, I feel like it's a lucky thing down here that, like, thank God it's a lot of people who don't know how to fight.
Those fights really don't go like people get knocked down and shit all the time, but they're wild swings.
luis j gomez
No, most people don't know how to fight, so that's sort of like the great equalizer.
If everyone knew how to fight, nobody would be fighting.
big jay oakerson
Well, I think it's the people that can don't find themselves getting in those situations or avoid those situations.
joe rogan
But they're more respectful.
luis j gomez
You don't need to prove anything.
joe rogan
Well, it's also to learn how to do that.
You've got to get your ass kicked a lot for many years.
luis j gomez
And you start to understand exactly how little you know how to fight in the beginning.
It's like open mic in comedy.
You're like, you're like, oh, I suck.
So there's no ego once you actually go and train.
But yeah, I mean, the amount of people that like that know how to fight, just typically there's just nothing to prove.
Like when I was before I ever trained anything at all, it was like in my mind, I was like, I had to be tough and I had to go prove that I was the toughest guy.
If I was in a bar, I'd be like, dude, I could beat up anybody in this bar.
I couldn't beat up anybody.
I was a fat fucking, just a golf kid.
But like.
big jay oakerson
But you also had to walk the New York streets by you kind of have to fill yourself with some kind of like, I'm not the guy.
I'm not the guy that you go for.
Or that you walk around looking terrified.
joe rogan
Well, you're a big dude.
That helps.
luis j gomez
Yeah, I'm a big Latino guy.
unidentified
And I think that like scare people off just a little attitude.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
Defense mechanism.
big jay oakerson
You put that knife in your hair.
joe rogan
It's like a Labrador retriever that barks at you.
Like, bitch, you ain't going to bite me.
I know what you are.
I mean, if he had a braid blade, he would fucking stab yourself right in the neck.
He would whip around your head and stab you right in the neck.
It would be your first time doing it.
big jay oakerson
And then you're back in there.
joe rogan
No practice.
big jay oakerson
Oh, you know.
I need your help.
I need your help now.
joe rogan
You tried to get the guy you were trying to kill now.
I'm so sorry.
unidentified
You're right.
big jay oakerson
I was beating a dick.
You were once.
joe rogan
You want the knife out of my back.
big jay oakerson
You were once foe.
joe rogan
I don't consider you friend.
luis j gomez
My braid blade is stuck in my back.
big jay oakerson
My braid blade.
Oh, God.
Is it bad?
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Braidblade.
That's so stupid.
Yeah, that's so stupid.
big jay oakerson
Is it bad?
joe rogan
That's why kids can't vote.
That's why you don't let an eight-year-old vote.
luis j gomez
He wants a braid blade.
joe rogan
I propose your plan, young man.
Your plan is preposterous.
luis j gomez
I don't think they should let 18-year-olds vote.
I think you should have to be 45 and own property to vote.
I have old slave rules in my mind.
joe rogan
Tell me this.
What the fuck is going on in New York?
Are you guys about to really elect a communist?
Is that really what's happening?
big jay oakerson
Which one's that?
joe rogan
Zoe Ramsay.
big jay oakerson
That guy's a good rapper.
Have you ever seen his rap work?
He's raised.
No.
But he does do rap music.
joe rogan
I heard he did a lot of different things.
He had a bunch of various accents.
big jay oakerson
Have you heard his rap meaning?
joe rogan
He's going to win.
So crazy.
big jay oakerson
Why?
luis j gomez
We live in New Jersey, dude.
joe rogan
Stavros is helping him.
big jay oakerson
Is Stavros going to make sure it happens?
joe rogan
Here's the thing, man.
Every time something new happens, whether it's some new person that comes in that bucks the system, that's good.
The system needs to get tested.
If you're mad because a communist won or is going to win as the mayor of New York City, well, clearly you didn't do your job opposing side.
Because you don't have the right guy.
Nobody's interested in what you have to say.
They don't feel like you're representing the people.
Someone fucked up.
big jay oakerson
Cuomo's no good?
They pushed him out.
joe rogan
They pushed Cuomo out.
And this guy won the Democratic primary.
luis j gomez
Is that what Corrine was running for?
big jay oakerson
Mayor, yeah.
joe rogan
They pushed him out as a governor, right?
And so after they pushed him out as a governor, Hochul takes off and now he's running for mayor.
And when he's running for mayor, he lost in the primary to Mom Donnie.
But then he kept running, I guess as an independent.
Is he as an independent now?
big jay oakerson
If you say on the microphone, Joe, vote Corrine Fisher, we will know the mayor of New York.
joe rogan
Corrine Fisher, the comedian?
luis j gomez
Yeah, she pulled out of the race.
joe rogan
Oh, she did?
luis j gomez
But she was running for mayor of New York.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
That was a while back.
luis j gomez
We spent months making fun of it.
unidentified
It ruled.
joe rogan
It's who would want that job?
Good Lord.
Who would want to be Bill de Blasio's next guy?
You know, like, are you fucking kidding me?
big jay oakerson
Uh, yeah.
It seems like a weird...
joe rogan
Who wants that job?
Everyone, half the city's gonna fucking hate you.
luis j gomez
It's a living, greasy manor.
big jay oakerson
No matter what, you gotta hope something, uh, terroristic happens that brings its place together.
joe rogan
Like 9-11 did.
big jay oakerson
Well, that's what it was.
You know what's funny?
Because I moved up to New York right after 9-11 because it was taking too long to drive there.
Because the way they shut down, like, the tunnels and everything.
So, like, uh, that's the time that I fucking moved.
And it really was like a, uh, fucking, not like a scary place at the time, but it definitely, like, uh, you know, Giuliani was divisive to people.
And then it was just, this guy's the best.
He's on Saturday Night Live.
And he's cutting ribbons.
And, like, everyone, it just became an immediate love for him.
And that sort of happened immediately.
That, that, didn't it get, like, George W. Bush, like, a month of ever, the whole country was like, yeah, dude, let's go get him.
joe rogan
Yeah.
luis j gomez
Yeah, it really did bring everyone together.
big jay oakerson
Like, it really did.
Everyone loved, because then it's like, Giuliani went away from New York.
And then the next thing, you know, it's like, I don't pay attention to politics stuff.
It's like, Giuliani, that clown piece of shit that everybody hates.
And look at his shit running down his face.
And he's an asshole.
I'm like, I thought we loved him, because he...
luis j gomez
Didn't he, like, clean up New York, too?
Yeah, he was like, prostitution and drugs were all out of Times Square.
joe rogan
He did a fantastic job when he was the mayor, if you look at it that way.
But the thing is, he supported Trump.
And so everybody was like, fuck him.
He's a loser.
And he'd just forget what he did during 9-11.
Yeah.
unidentified
People are so nice.
big jay oakerson
Now it's like, he let 9-11 happen.
luis j gomez
But a lot of people will also, like, be like, yeah, New York lost its soul after Giuliani.
Like, even before Trump, like, a lot of people were hating on Giuliani.
Because it was like a romanticism about New York being kind of, like, dangerous.
And, like, you know, it's like...
joe rogan
There's something to be said for that.
But that's also like, hey, guess what?
big jay oakerson
There's plenty of soul still in Brooklyn and the Bronx.
joe rogan
Things move on.
The number one thing that you want to keep open forever and ever is peep shows.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, hey, maybe you got bad priorities.
You live through it, right?
You saw the peep show.
You walked by the adult bookstore.
Okay, it's over.
jamie vernon
It's over.
joe rogan
Dude, that was now that's gonna be at Papa John's.
luis j gomez
Right when I moved to New York City, it was night days before 9-11, a week before 9-11.
I started going to school in New York City, and I used to get off the bus at Port Authority.
And there was all of those, it wasn't even like peep shows, it was just essentially porn at a booth.
You'd go in a booth, you put the buttons like five buttons, yeah, just five pornos, sticky buttons.
Dude, I used to go in and I used to just jerk off that's crazy in these books, no, all the time, dude.
And I know a lot of people do this, but uh, I you'd put a dollar in and then you'd get like three minutes, and you'd have to like click through.
And just like you, you're clicking through porn now, you'd have to find the porn you want it to finish to put another dollar.
big jay oakerson
Did you lean your back against the wall?
luis j gomez
I sat down one time, and I remember it was the seat was wet.
The seat was wet one time, and I sat on it, and I convinced myself that my asshole sucked AIDS into my body.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, well, yes.
Stop wondering where you got it from.
That's the answer.
joe rogan
I had a friend of mine used to, he used to be a crack addict, and he used to go to those places, and he would smoke crack and just jack off in the mall.
He said he'd be in there for hours, and I was like, What the fuck?
What is this crack?
big jay oakerson
That is what's so cracked that makes you so awesome, dude.
luis j gomez
Bro, when I smoke crack, I can't get hard at all.
joe rogan
There's two people that talked about it where it makes you try it, makes you want to try it.
One of them is Hunter Biden.
He talked about it on that.
Uh, I'm sorry, what was that show again?
It was uh, Channel 5 with Andrew Callahan, Andrew Callahan, Channel 5.
He did an interview with Biden, and Biden gives like a soliloquy about the virtues of crack, like how much he loved crack, and like what the crack experience is like.
It's so good, like he's talking, but he's so articulate, it makes you want to try crack.
And then Charlie Sheen told me the first time he tried smoking crack at all.
This is in his documentary, too.
I think either way, a girl was giving, yeah, it was a girl was giving him a blow job while he took his very first hit of crack.
And he said, To this day, nothing's ever topped it.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, I've always heard it's the exhale of crack is amazing.
The exhale, and then you go, We got to get crack.
We have to find more crack immediately.
luis j gomez
Guys, you want to just do crack?
big jay oakerson
Yeah, it's crazy.
That's one that I said I would try, probably.
luis j gomez
What'd you say?
big jay oakerson
It's one that I said I probably would try.
luis j gomez
You would try crack?
Yeah, that's insane.
big jay oakerson
Probably.
I mean, I'm not going to, but you're going for the things you were like, would you try this?
Would you try?
I would try crack before I took LSD.
luis j gomez
That's insane.
big jay oakerson
Quicker.
luis j gomez
That's actually insane.
big jay oakerson
It's quicker.
luis j gomez
LSD is an experience.
big jay oakerson
Right.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
joe rogan
What if you knew it's real, pure LSD?
Like, if you got it from a scientist, we dosed Jay with LSD.
luis j gomez
The only time he was on LSD was, do you know about this?
unidentified
No.
big jay oakerson
Terrible friends?
luis j gomez
So we had the dose.
Well, one hit of acid and his beer.
So here's what happened.
joe rogan
You didn't let him know at all?
luis j gomez
Well, it wasn't my fault.
big jay oakerson
Okay, hang on.
luis j gomez
Don't be so accusatory, Joe.
You didn't watch the trial of the century, obviously.
big jay oakerson
You brought this up, Lewis.
It's going to make you look bad.
This is sucking.
This is not Rogan Sphere behavior.
luis j gomez
I will tell you what happened.
Okay.
So we were having an election for the president of the Legion of Skanks.
big jay oakerson
I hate treat people in the sphere, dude.
luis j gomez
And Ari Shafir was running against me, Jay, and Dave Smith to be the president of our podcast.
And obviously he won.
But he had Shane Gillis as his running mate.
This is before Shane blew up.
But Shane's always been fucking brilliant.
So we were doing these every week.
It was during the pandemic.
We're one of the only live experiences.
Like all the comedy clubs were closed down.
We did our show outside.
So people were coming out every week.
They were super, super invested.
And we had all these special guests on.
And every week it was just getting better and better.
And it was the last episode.
We were about to decide who the president was.
We were deciding that day.
And Ari had just dosed Bert, like maybe a year before on his podcast.
It was our several years.
So then I got a hit of acid from a kid in the audience.
And I was like, I'm going to dose Ari.
big jay oakerson
Just some guy.
luis j gomez
Just some dude.
He said it was a really good acid.
So then I put into Ari's beer, right?
And then I was like, Ari's going to win, whatever.
Let's be hilarious.
We're going to dose Ari on the podcast.
So I told Shane, I was like, dude, this is hilarious.
We're going to dose Ari.
Shane tells Ari.
And then on the podcast, we went back and watched this because it's on camera.
On the podcast, when Jay's not looking, Jay's like just pontificating or being funny or whatever.
Ari switches beers with Big Jay and gives it to Jay.
And then Jay starts drinking it or whatever.
Now Ari for the next hour starts pretending to trip and he's like doing all this.
He's being all weird.
And me and my buddy are cackling, laughing at him.
big jay oakerson
Let me give you my perspective of where we're at here in this part of the story.
I am not looking at Ari.
What I'm noticing is everybody else at the table is like talking amongst themselves.
David Tell was there too.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
Talking amongst themselves while I'm saying something.
And I'm like, like I'm losing the people I'm doing a show with.
I'm like, so I'm like, blah, and I start trailing off and I go, I'm like, guys, like, what's, you know, almost like off microphone.
I'm like, what's going on?
Why is it?
And Lewis leans over to me and goes, I dosed Ari's beer with acid.
And I went, come on, man.
I was like, I go, I don't want to do this stuff.
I don't want to get into the volume.
luis j gomez
To be fair to Jay, his reaction was like, that's not a good idea at all.
He was not on board with it.
unidentified
Never.
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
I said, let's not get involved in the dosing game.
Dave Smith also said the same thing.
But damage was done.
And then I go, all right, well, if you're going to do it to somebody, dare I say Ari's the person who deserves that to happen to him the most.
So I'm like, all right, well, it's Ari at least.
And then they go, so what we're laughing at is look at Ari.
So I finally look over at Ari and he is like, you know, like licking the microphone and like doing all that stuff.
And then they pull a big reveal.
luis j gomez
Yeah, I was like, I was like, I dosed you, Ari, so I don't care if you win.
And then he's like doing this.
Then he goes, he was like, oh, really?
big jay oakerson
No, no.
He goes, he goes, oh, dude, really?
Did you, you dosed me to LSD?
That's so not cool.
He goes, you did that?
Or did I switch my beer with Jay's?
luis j gomez
Just completely.
big jay oakerson
And then you see me literally on camera go, ha, nah.
Nah, how did I get involved in this at all?
And then they played the replay.
You see, Shane looks at the camera and says, I'm sorry.
Because he feels terrible that he didn't stop him.
luis j gomez
And then Jay, he had never taken acid, so Jay stayed up for 72 hours.
big jay oakerson
26, 26, whatever.
luis j gomez
26 straight hours.
big jay oakerson
All I was doing was, and they go, well, did you have fun at least?
Did you like watch something?
Did the walls melt?
Did like, yeah, have some kind of revelation?
I go, I sat on my couch for 26 hours.
I went outside a few times and sat there thinking, why would my friends have done this to me?
That was my consuming thought.
Why would my friends do this to me?
I wouldn't do this to them.
Why would they do it to me?
joe rogan
You just caught astray.
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Caught astray in a righteous war.
Like, Ari deserved to get dosed.
luis j gomez
He just wanted.
big jay oakerson
Sure.
And somehow he avoided it.
joe rogan
Did you ever see the one where Ari was on what podcast was he on Brian Redband's podcast?
jamie vernon
I think it was Sam Tripoli's podcast.
joe rogan
Sam Tripoli's podcast.
So it was at quite a while back, like 2010 or something like that.
And they smoked Salvia on the podcast.
And Ari said that he lived a whole nother life under the water for like six months.
Like he had friends, he had a girlfriend, he had a job.
And then the sale, he lived a whole life.
luis j gomez
30 seconds.
joe rogan
And then he came back.
It was just a few minutes.
But whatever it was, like, that stuff was weird because you could just buy it at a head shop.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it was one of the most potent psychedelics you could ever take.
luis j gomez
Yeah, it was just unregulated for like a year.
So everyone was buying salvia.
big jay oakerson
And then bass salts, the guy ate a guy's face.
luis j gomez
I smoked salvia.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that guy probably had problems already.
luis j gomez
My buddy Forrest brought home Salvia from college.
Didn't tell me what it was.
We were just driving in my car with a bong.
This is where I was at in my life.
I had a bung in the car.
big jay oakerson
Oh, yeah, bring it from me.
luis j gomez
I was driving.
He's like, dude, here, hit this.
And I grab the bong and I'm driving, literally.
And I go, oh, no.
And then he goes, put that down because it was a Copper Cross Street.
And then the word down, it like elongated and went like, go.
big jay oakerson
And then you saw the word.
luis j gomez
The word down, giant block letters crashed in front of the car.
Like it was like stone letters, the word down.
And I was like, and I pulled over to the side of the road and he was just laughing in my face.
And I was like, what the fuck was that?
A minute, 30 seconds?
It was just so quick.
joe rogan
But it was like super while you're driving.
I don't know who teaches you.
big jay oakerson
But there was that video of the person jumping out of the window, right?
That was like the famous viral one where someone smokes cigar right away.
They just go, and just like go up out of their fucking window behind the couch.
joe rogan
Dude.
luis j gomez
I can't say that's why it all.
big jay oakerson
But that's almost why I'm saying like crack.
Like I would try that over again because I've only been dosed with LSD.
It's 26 hours of just being bummed out.
Cracks way quicker.
To me, it's almost like I try things that are like, this will be done quick.
luis j gomez
Ketamine.
joe rogan
That was the crazy thing about the Hunter Biden interview.
He was saying that it's probably safer for you than alcohol.
And he's pretty smart.
That's what's uncomfortable.
big jay oakerson
He's clean now, he's saying that?
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
It probably is.
joe rogan
You know, allegedly.
I mean, you know.
big jay oakerson
I always say it.
Believe that.
It's always a big thing.
When someone gets off drugs, but they don't talk about it with like just the, I'm told to call it evil and say it was evil and have some like fun reflection on it.
I think they're more prepared to stop for real.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's true, right?
Because they're being honest about it.
big jay oakerson
Being honest.
They're like, damn, dude.
They're like, you know, first couple months, I maybe have never laughed harder in my life.
You know, have like enjoyed it.
And then it's like, but then I just, you know, my money's gone.
My family's going to be.
luis j gomez
So like a Colombian president or one of these presidents, but some country, like the president was like, no, cocaine's safer than alcohol.
And he was like, straight up.
And then they did a review on it.
And it technically is.
joe rogan
I think the real problem is the fentanyl stuff, the laced cocaine.
You know, the stuff that's laced with stuff other than pure cocaine.
But that's the problem with an unregulated black market.
If they made it legal in America and pharmaceutical drug companies sold cocaine, you'd get like the best cocaine.
You'd get pure cocaine.
big jay oakerson
It's recreational from a pharmacy.
joe rogan
I don't even think.
luis j gomez
We're going to a Gonzales e.
Gonzalez pharmacy.
joe rogan
I don't even know if you can grow it in America.
Are there places in America that are capable of growing coca leaves?
big jay oakerson
I think you need slaves.
joe rogan
Did you ever see that thing?
There's a show called Trafficked with Mariana Van Zeller.
There's this lady, she's an investigative journalist, and she does wild stories.
Like she went to the people in Colombia that are making the cocaine and she interviewed all of them.
They all wore masks and shit.
And then she went with them out into the woods when they walked through the jungle to bring the cocaine to the dealers.
And she was there with them for the whole process.
luis j gomez
She's documenting it.
joe rogan
What the fuck, man?
Like, they're just using gasoline, just pouring gasoline on these coca leaves, and they're making this.
It's like, this is completely unregulated.
This all could be done in a pharmaceutical drug studio where they have like laboratories and everybody's wearing hazmat suits and shit and they make perfect cocaine.
luis j gomez
That sounds awesome, Joe.
joe rogan
Perfect cocaine.
big jay oakerson
That's like a long way to go for you guys to be able to dance like black people aren't watching.
joe rogan
In the U.S., there is no widespread reports of commercial coca cultivation, but the plant thrives best in conditions similar to those found in the Andean regions of South America, generally between 1,650 to 6,000 feet elevation with warm temperatures and abundant rainfall.
Yeah, so it's not a good plant for America.
It's a South American plant.
luis j gomez
Yeah, we can grow weed here really well.
We figured that out.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you know, I remember the first time.
It's legal.
If it was legal, you'd get pure cocaine.
luis j gomez
Well, that's what they're having.
big jay oakerson
Fucking America sucks.
luis j gomez
It probably will be legal one day.
joe rogan
It should be legal.
Like, if you can't prove, this is what it should be.
We could prove it's killing more people than are having fun with it.
Let's make it illegal.
If you can't do that, why is it illegal?
Well, because you shouldn't take it.
Okay, then don't take it.
But what if you want to take it?
And what if you could just take it once and you're fine?
And then you still.
Are we allowed to have some fucking freedom or not?
Are we going to get it?
luis j gomez
There's going to be a couple years of people being, because you look at like weed, it's widespread legality of it now, right?
Everyone's getting very high.
The weed's gotten so strong.
Like it's like.
big jay oakerson
Well, there's that.
The strength of it would be a concern.
But I think there's also something to, I don't know, I've gone back and forth on that.
I think it's when I had my daughter was like a teenager more, I was thinking when they talk about that, like just legalize every drug, which I hear the argument for too.
That's why I said I really don't know where I fall.
But like, I also have a feeling like when I was younger, I could have been got, someone could have got me to try heroin as a teenager by simply laying out.
Like, I mean, it's legal, dude.
unidentified
Right.
luis j gomez
Well, a lot of drugs never stopped from doing drugs.
big jay oakerson
It did weigh with me.
A lot of it was a fear of having anything on me.
I tell you, I got cocaine one time to bring to a girl.
It was a bag this big.
And I mean, I thought I was walking around with Marcellus Wallace's fucking soul.
I mean, it was, I was like, oh my God, everyone's coming for this.
Everyone knows they're going to get me.
They're going to get it from me.
luis j gomez
Dude.
Yeah, no, I would just assume the Coke would be so good.
And it would just be like a couple years of everyone just being like really fucked up.
Like, you can't go from it being like unregulated to just distributing it to everybody.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, there's going to be a long period of adjustment, but at least you're cutting out organized crime.
It's like that's what they had to do with alcohol.
So when alcohol prohibition was going on, how many years was alcohol prohibition again?
Not that long.
Put that in the perplexity.
big jay oakerson
Two years is my guess.
joe rogan
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luis j gomez
Four and a half years.
big jay oakerson
It's probably better.
joe rogan
We have an AI sponsor now that we ask questions to.
How many years was we don't make it talk?
I don't want to pretend it's a person and fall in love with it.
13 years.
13 years of alcohol prohibition.
14 years.
luis j gomez
Daddy, that's your AI.
joe rogan
13 years.
unidentified
Baby, it was 13 years with no alcohol.
joe rogan
So during that time, that's the rise of organized crime.
That's the rise of alcapone.
Like, that's the rise of all these different mobsters.
That's all you could tie that back to the roots of organized crime, getting money from alcohol.
That's, you know, that's where NASCAR came from.
It was like those guys are trying to get away from cops, so they made the best cars.
luis j gomez
That's really what it was.
Is that what it was?
unidentified
Yes.
big jay oakerson
That's crazy.
joe rogan
The roots of NASCAR is they made those souped up cars to get the fuck away from cops because they were running moonshine.
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
Damn.
joe rogan
And that, they stopped that, and then it came normal.
And now it's Bud Light.
Now you can go and get, you know, a bottle of makers.
You can get, it's in a store.
It's like regular.
luis j gomez
The legality never like, because I've tried almost every drug, but the legality of it never really got me.
But it's just the accessibility of it, right?
Like I might have, if weed was accessible as it is now, I might have tried weed way earlier than I did.
I didn't start smoking weed till I was almost out of high school.
But if it was just everywhere and it was great and you knew where everything came from, you had to like go on a journey to find weed.
Even when we go on the road back in the day, we'd land in whatever new town and I'd be like, Jay, I'll be back in an hour.
I got to go find weed.
And I just ask every like skateboarder that I saw until somebody eventually.
joe rogan
If I was a skateboarder and you came up to me, I'd be like, get the fuck out of here, pig.
Fuck you, man.
luis j gomez
It's so funny that potheads love getting each other high because back in the day, you'd literally just find somebody that looked like they liked weed.
joe rogan
Especially if they're currently high.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
Then they're more likely to be pliable.
luis j gomez
They'll go out of their whole way.
Yeah, but they'll go out of their entire way to just go and hook you up.
joe rogan
I'll bring you to my friend Scott's house.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
Next thing you know, you're hanging with Scott listening to Slipknot.
luis j gomez
Tell him about your brainblade.
joe rogan
The great mosh pit injury of 2011 first EP.
big jay oakerson
But yeah, if all drugs were accessible, I mean, the illegal, I think, would have drawn me to some things instead and accessible.
But I'll tell you what's funny too that you don't really have much of it, but you definitely went through phases, I'm sure, in your life, because you started smoking younger than I did even.
But like as much as I smoke, I consistently have smoked weed since I started smoking, which was 20 some years ago.
luis j gomez
I made you a pothead.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, without a doubt.
But it is so funny, though, that I still, to this day, don't have the I'm faking it every time somebody comes to me and goes like, oh man, look at that right there.
I always just go, okay.
I don't know.
I don't mean it at all.
When they start showing me purple things inside of it and stuff, I always go, no, shit.
luis j gomez
I don't care about strains.
They're like, dude, it's an indica dominant hybrid.
It's 28%.
big jay oakerson
It's like, I do care about that.
I do care about it not just being a sativa because that'll just give me anxiety sometimes.
But like, besides that, and by the way, if I'm with a bunch of people and they put, I don't ask what it is.
If it's sativa, we just smoke.
joe rogan
Ew, ew, asking what it is.
That's crazy.
You're all hanging out in a barbecue.
big jay oakerson
Well, here's why.
joe rogan
Some guy's passing a joint.
You're like, wait, what is this?
big jay oakerson
To me, I'd say.
joe rogan
It's a sativa.
Is it a hybrid?
big jay oakerson
Smoking alone, a sativa.
And like, if I'm just in my hotel room or something, I might get a little panicky.
It just still gets me like anxious.
And it's just like health anxious stuff.
It's like, I'm probably having a heart attack.
It's not like the world's coming down on me.
It's really like, why is my heart racing so fast?
That's probably my body shutting off, huh?
joe rogan
Now imagine the electricity.
big jay oakerson
Imagine crack for virtual.
joe rogan
That's where you feel real confident.
It goes away.
Crack is the opposite of weed.
unidentified
I'd be like, my fucking heart will never stop beating.
big jay oakerson
He goes, I got to make sure my heart is still beating.
I'm going to climb to the roof of this fucking place.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't think you should smoke crack, but I don't think people are going to stop smoking crack.
And someone's making money off of it.
So it's like, why should that money be made in an unregulated way where you don't know what you're getting?
100,000 people are dying every year because of that, right?
100,000 people are dying of opioid overdoses every year.
And if that's the case, those 100,000 people, that's just in the United States.
Those 100,000 people, like how many of them wouldn't die if they weren't getting fentanyl-laced stuff?
So is it worth 100 million or 100,000 people not dying to get them pure cocaine from a laboratory and sell it to them rather than them get it from the cartel and maybe die?
luis j gomez
Is it legal anywhere, Coke?
It is, right?
There's a couple, like Portugal, I think all drugs are legal.
joe rogan
Portugal, all drugs, I think, are, it's called decriminalization.
big jay oakerson
Getting their fucking flu shots and picking up their cocaine.
luis j gomez
No, I don't think.
The thing is, it's not junkie behavior.
joe rogan
if it's illegal you're forced to do it in alleyways and shit i think if it's that's what the democrats need to do They need to push legalized drugs and then Medicaid-funded legalized drugs, and then people could just go to CVS and get Coke.
luis j gomez
I would vote.
If somebody said legalized drugs, we're going to lower taxes by 20%.
I don't care about any of their other policies.
They're getting my vote every time, period.
joe rogan
Yeah, legalized drugs is a good one just because you're not supposed to tell me what to do.
Like, it's not supposed to be one grown adult tells another grown adult what to consume or not to consume, especially when there's a lot of shit that shows it's not dangerous.
So if you're doing that with a pot, Venezuela allows, so cocaine, Venezuela allows possession of up to two grams for personal use.
Peru, Colombia, Bolivia, Ecuador, Paraguay, Mexico, and Poland permit legal or decriminalized possession for personal use.
luis j gomez
Oh, yeah, that's right.
Mexico.
joe rogan
Yeah, Mexico went crazy with all that.
luis j gomez
Mexico, it's legal to possess for personal use for cocaine.
joe rogan
You can get a lot of stuff in Mexico.
That's why they have those Ibogaine centers down there, too.
People go to cure addiction.
That's illegal in America.
It's so fucking stupid.
But they're starting to do that here.
They're doing one in Texas because of former governor Rick Perry because it helps a lot of soldiers, a lot of cops with PTSD, soldiers at PTSD, like Ibogaine.
It's very helpful.
Meanwhile, most of that stuff is illegal in the United States for the most federally illegal.
And like, why?
Like, review that.
This is fucking stupid.
We're not babies.
We're not getting any younger either.
Like, we should have figured this out in the 80s when I was in high school.
Like, why is this conversation still going on where you're letting grown adults tell other grown adults that they can't take things?
Like, bitch, you don't even know what that thing is.
You've never taken it.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
luis j gomez
Yeah.
Do whatever you want to do with your body.
That's what I'm saying.
big jay oakerson
Maybe this is what Zorhan Babaduke is going to do in New York.
What's his name?
luis j gomez
Remember the Zohan?
joe rogan
He's going to bring a.
It's going to be interesting.
It's going to be interesting how much he changes once he gets into office, how much influence they can put on him.
big jay oakerson
Goodbye, Jew York.
Am I right?
joe rogan
But I feel like that's how the game is supposed to be played.
big jay oakerson
Why is Stavros so stoked on him?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Stavi's having a good time.
I don't know.
It aligns with his political ideology.
big jay oakerson
But I wonder if it's like a specific thing.
I just don't know any of his policies.
I mean, it's a rap thing, and maybe prostitution is going to be legal.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think they already did that.
I think they already did decriminalized it.
luis j gomez
Decriminalized prostitution?
joe rogan
Did they decriminalize prostitution in New York?
luis j gomez
Take it from me.
No, they haven't.
joe rogan
I don't think so.
luis j gomez
No.
joe rogan
There was talk about doing that, right?
big jay oakerson
Oh, maybe.
luis j gomez
I think it should be legal, too.
big jay oakerson
New York?
I'd say when they pop up with a new holy shit law, they will just drop it on you one morning.
I mean, smoking cigarettes, I'm not supposed to see it.
I'm going to say a weed, smoking weed wherever you like, so legal that you can smoke anywhere you smoke cigarettes outside.
You can smoke weed in New York.
The day it went legal, and it was like so unceremonious.
I remember finding out that day, it's like weed's legal today.
Like, really?
It was such a thing that was debated for so long, and then one day it just was.
luis j gomez
Yeah, there was all of these.
joe rogan
It was so very illegal in New York City.
luis j gomez
There was all these like fake dispensaries that popped up.
It was like 100 of them because they couldn't, like, the cops didn't know what to do with them.
So, like, a hundred dispensaries opened up over the course of like a week.
There were trucks with like just Puerto Rican guys in the back of the truck.
I'm like, oh, welcome to the weed shop.
big jay oakerson
And they were bringing in the best shit from California.
unidentified
So good.
luis j gomez
Yeah, yeah.
And then one day, just the same way it was unceremoniously that it was legal, they said, oh, we're just fucking arresting everybody.
And then they shut down every dispensary in New York and they raided all of them.
big jay oakerson
They didn't do much arresting, I don't think.
It was honestly, but they went in because I'd go to the places and like it was like going to your favorite burger shop and finding out it just got robbed violently.
Like you go in this place and they're just like picking up the pieces of things left behind.
They go, it took everything, man.
It just came in.
luis j gomez
They took the whole ATM machine.
big jay oakerson
They took the whole fucking stash they had.
joe rogan
When was this?
luis j gomez
A couple years ago.
big jay oakerson
A couple years ago.
luis j gomez
Three years ago, maybe?
big jay oakerson
And then fucking he went and Eric Adams burned it all.
Like he burned it all off.
All the stuff they just took from the stores.
joe rogan
So he took all the weed and burned it?
Eric Adams did?
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
So they decriminalized it for a short period of time and then decided to crack down on illegal dispensaries only?
But what about criminals?
big jay oakerson
They legalize it for it.
joe rogan
They legalized it.
So they're just getting it from these illegal dispensaries to provoke a license.
big jay oakerson
The problem was the idea, I think the way they got it to pass he personally destroyed it?
Yeah.
I hate the way they got it to pass of doing like getting legalized was that it's going to bring revenue to New York.
So it's like we're going to use growers in New York.
So it's like all these brands you never heard of before.
joe rogan
Bro, why would he film himself running the tractor that's picking up the weed and dumping it onto the fire?
luis j gomez
He's just marketing.
big jay oakerson
He's an old statistic.
luis j gomez
To get people talking about it.
joe rogan
That is such a bad idea.
Like if you're willing to do that, if you're a mayor and you think, that's like when what was the guy that climbed in the tank during he was running for president and they took a photo of him like a photo op and he was in a tank on he looked like such a fucking dork that immediately cracked yes michael dukakis Look at this dork.
He's like this tiny little guy, and he took this photo with him in a tank, and everybody was like, it's over.
Forget it, dude.
luis j gomez
Had to destroy a presidential.
joe rogan
He can't come back from this.
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
Michael Dukakis, his eyebrows.
That's what I remember.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, then his lady was like drinking, what was she drinking?
She was drinking like either mouthwash or cologne or something like that, right?
unidentified
Drunk?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, trying to get drunk.
unidentified
She was.
big jay oakerson
Michael Dukakis's wife.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
big jay oakerson
Oh, nail polish remover, wasn't it?
joe rogan
Something crazy.
big jay oakerson
I think I remember that story.
joe rogan
Something crazy toxic.
She was just trying to catch a buzz off of anything.
big jay oakerson
What was he?
He was going against George W. George H.W. Bush, right?
joe rogan
I believe so.
jamie vernon
She was drinking rubbing alcohol.
joe rogan
Rubbing alcohol.
Fucking yo.
Imagine how that burns going down.
Rubbing alcohol.
Can rubbing alcohol actually get you drunk?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Can it kill you?
Will it kill you?
jamie vernon
That's where the poison and dose thing becomes a thing.
Yeah, for sure.
big jay oakerson
Wow.
How about witch hazel?
jamie vernon
Let's see how much.
joe rogan
Yeah.
luis j gomez
You could drink rubbing alcohol for sure.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was the scandal of the time back then.
big jay oakerson
Dukakis.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Why were we talking about him?
luis j gomez
Mayor Adams burning the weed.
joe rogan
Oh, that's such a bad look, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
Well, like, what is the angle?
It's either your city and your state's made it legal.
So it's like, what is the imagery?
big jay oakerson
I'm telling you, because he's going, this is about New York.
He's basically saying, like, these are businesses coming in and not bringing any revenue to New York.
joe rogan
This is what I would say.
Okay.
If I was the mayor and they had already done this, I would say, let's auction off these weed and give that money to the education system.
big jay oakerson
Sure.
joe rogan
Four tons of weed that you can sell now.
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
But then the problem is now, then the cops have an incentive to steal your weed and then resell it.
And the cops become the biggest dealers in New York.
If they could just steal your weed and resell it, they made it legal.
big jay oakerson
It's like Nino Brown.
joe rogan
Yeah, why were they able to steal that weed?
If the weed is legal, what are we doing?
big jay oakerson
It's because they're reselling alcohol.
luis j gomez
Like if you were selling beers on a street corner.
joe rogan
Taxes.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
They got to get their cut.
big jay oakerson
It's going to be a lot of people.
Way too long on a restaurant that doesn't have a license.
joe rogan
Also announced today announced that as of yesterday, the task force has conducted inspections of 100% of known shops identified as selling cannabis illegally, and that was part of Operation Padlock to protect Operation Padlock to protect's initial list of illegal shops.
As a result of Operation's rapid success, the city has seized more than $63 million in illegal product, which has been taking up an outsized amount of space across NYPD's network of evidence warehouses.
big jay oakerson
It's stealing weeds.
joe rogan
It sounds like you're just stealing weed.
It sounds like you're stealing weed.
big jay oakerson
I'm telling you, these shop owners, the two places that I would go, they got shut down, the shop owners came out like arms in the air, like this is crazy.
They just came in and destroyed everything.
joe rogan
Here's my question, though.
If it's legal, so it's legal.
So if it is legal and you can sell it, why are you able to take, if you're going to a shop that's illegally selling televisions, okay?
And you go in there and you go, oh, these guys have 60 televisions.
You don't burn them, right?
You don't take it from them and burn them.
Why are you allowed to take $63 million worth of marijuana product if it's legal?
Even if it's an illegal store, why are you allowed to take their product and just destroy it?
Like, that seems so stupid.
luis j gomez
Yeah, it seems crazy.
joe rogan
Like, we know it's a commodity.
Like, do you have 63 million?
Are you richie rich?
Are you so rich that you get to burn $63 million?
You're not worried about what goes to the city?
luis j gomez
Joe, I feel like you are.
I feel like you could burn $63 million worth of weed and be like, it's not even that big of a deal.
joe rogan
I'd feel it.
But the point is, the point is, why would you do that?
Why would you do that?
Why would you burn it?
Why wouldn't you just give it away or sell it?
You know, give it away to poor people.
Can't afford weed.
big jay oakerson
You should have bought it.
joe rogan
I wish I could.
Just imagine if I did.
And I just said, I'm going to give out all this weed to all the poor neighborhoods.
All the people who can't support weed.
jamie vernon
Here's the answer in the last paragraph.
Unregulated.
luis j gomez
Unregulated.
jamie vernon
Right, of course.
joe rogan
Of course.
luis j gomez
That's also consumable, right?
So if somebody said.
joe rogan
That was my point, though.
If you have unregulated televisions, they don't destroy the televisions.
jamie vernon
They probably do.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
Do they really make it broken?
Wouldn't they auction them off?
jamie vernon
They'd get mad now.
They wouldn't.
They probably tried to.
luis j gomez
You're not consuming the TV, right?
So it's not something you're putting in your body.
So the regulation exists.
Obviously, it's just for taxes and bullshit.
big jay oakerson
They always read.
jamie vernon
Police auction.
So maybe they would.
big jay oakerson
I was going to say, police auction for cars.
They've seized cars.
joe rogan
They definitely do that.
They don't destroy cars.
I know.
big jay oakerson
They don't even tell you.
He's like, hey, I got a Mercedes.
Like, yeah, well, you better hope the guy doesn't come looking for it.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's exactly what I told my friend.
He was buying a Porsche, like one of them old school Porsches with a slant nose.
I was like, dude, that's a drug dealer car.
How many of them exist to even look like that thing?
That guy's going to find you one day.
You're going to be at a restaurant.
He's going to be out of jail.
Like, hey.
big jay oakerson
My first apartment.
joe rogan
Where'd you get that car?
big jay oakerson
My first apartment in New York that I had.
The landlord lived upstairs, him and his wife and kid.
And he was, he looked exactly like Travis Bickel.
I mean, exactly like the character Travis Bickel.
And his name was Wayne.
And he used to.
joe rogan
Wait, who's Travis Bickle again?
big jay oakerson
That's Robert De Niro's character in taxi job.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
big jay oakerson
Okay.
He looked exactly like he purposely chose to look like that character.
Oh, boy.
And the property had in front of the whole place, a gigantic green, like padlocked gate.
And inside there was two giant fucking pit bulls, these angry dogs that were just in a gate outside.
And then the house you'd walk into, we were the front first floor, there was second floor, but he was a repo man.
And so when you come home, anytime of like the reason we had to padlock the whole property was because up on the property, in the front lawn, it would be like McLaren's and fucking these beautiful.
unidentified
Whoa.
big jay oakerson
He was like just repoing like drug dealer cars constantly.
There's being our front yard.
It's so terrifying.
joe rogan
That's fucking terrifying.
big jay oakerson
That's scary as shit.
joe rogan
Because if you come out, where's my fucking car?
Like, I don't know.
I don't have anything to do with it.
big jay oakerson
By the way, we're in Queens, and we moved to Astoria because everyone was like, Astoria, Greek.
It's so great and the food and it's so not scary in a wonderful place.
Well, the edge of it, where I moved, is on Queensbridge Projects, where rap comes from.
And that was scary as hell.
So it was kind of like a rough area, too.
And they have these like, I mean, $200,000 cars just on our front lawn.
joe rogan
You don't want to buy a drug dealer's car.
No.
unidentified
You don't want to live in his house after they repossess it.
joe rogan
No.
big jay oakerson
Would you live in a murder house for a good deal, though?
luis j gomez
I almost bought a murder house.
big jay oakerson
I know.
luis j gomez
I had put in an offer.
It was accepted.
And I pulled out at the last minute.
It was a good idea.
big jay oakerson
I promise to keep it alive and murder yours.
luis j gomez
It was a 300-year-old house.
That was why I ended up not buying it.
It was like, there was a judge who lived in it that put a guy in prison.
And when the guy got out of prison, he murdered the judge and his wife in the house.
And they didn't tell me when I first toured it.
And then I did the research on it, and I thought it was cool.
Like, I didn't give a shit at all.
I thought it was just like a fun story.
Having ghosts.
joe rogan
What year was this?
big jay oakerson
Why does the one bathroom?
luis j gomez
250 years ago.
big jay oakerson
200 coming out of the faucet.
joe rogan
That's what you said?
250 years ago?
Okay, that doesn't count.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'll live in that house.
luis j gomez
Yeah, but that's how ghosts.
You want those ghosts.
joe rogan
That's old ghosts.
luis j gomez
Old-timey ghosts with chains and like a fucking.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's fine.
I don't want them new ghosts.
luis j gomez
Contemporary ghosts, drug dealer ghosts.
joe rogan
I can lift them throw you downstairs and kill you.
big jay oakerson
I can live on the property of murder, but not in the structure.
joe rogan
Oh, like if murder happened on a manor in the English countryside.
big jay oakerson
No, just like it happened in a house, and then the house was like demolished.
joe rogan
It would have been happened in the woodshed, like Ed Gain style.
big jay oakerson
That's weird.
Well, you know, in Long Island, somebody, they finally did, I think not long ago, like finally demolish the Amityville house.
Oh, really?
Really a horror house.
Like, finally, just like someone bought the property and was like, take it down.
joe rogan
What is the whole deal with the Amityville horror?
What was the true story about that?
big jay oakerson
Monsters and ghosts.
What do you mean?
joe rogan
But I know.
luis j gomez
Demo was in an Amityville, New York.
joe rogan
What was the story?
big jay oakerson
Sometimes a man's got to kill his family.
joe rogan
Did the guy actually kill his family?
luis j gomez
Well, the conjuring, right?
That was their story, right?
Like, they were the ones who discovered the Amityville horror house, the couple from the conjuring.
joe rogan
Right, but what was the story about the Amityville horror?
big jay oakerson
Did the Father that went nuts killed his family with an axe?
joe rogan
Is that what it was?
unidentified
I think so.
joe rogan
The real story?
big jay oakerson
I believe so.
joe rogan
About the actual house itself.
I know that was the movie, but I never knew if that was the actual story itself.
big jay oakerson
It's kind of thick.
unidentified
I mean, because there's so many of those movies back in the 80s and shit.
joe rogan
Like, they would just make up a history, and you would never be able to Google it.
luis j gomez
Well, they say it's a true story.
Like, weapons, the beginning of weapons, they were like, this is a true story.
It's like, is it, though?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
luis j gomez
Is there a witch that came and possessed a bunch of children?
And they all.
joe rogan
Okay, here it is.
He was American mass murderer who was tried and convicted in the 1974 killings of his father, mother, two brothers, and two sisters in Amityville, New York.
His name is Ronald Joseph DeFeo Jr.
He was found guilty of six counts of second-degree murder and was sentenced to 25 to life.
DeFeo died in March of 2021.
The case inspired the book and film versions of the Amityville Horror.
big jay oakerson
There it is.
It's 112 Ocean Avenue.
joe rogan
And so did he kill him with an axe?
unidentified
Shot him, I think.
joe rogan
Shot him.
Shot and killed six members of his family at their home.
He could have just been a piece of shit.
The devil didn't have to have anything to do with that.
big jay oakerson
I know.
That is something funny when there's sequels to something that is initially supposed to have actually happened.
Right.
joe rogan
Then you just start making shit up.
That is kind of funny.
That's a very good point.
big jay oakerson
Ed Gein too, Electric Boogaloo.
This is Redemption Arc.
joe rogan
DeFeo claiming he had no memory of killing his family, so they mounted affirmative defense of insanity.
Insanity plea was supported by the psychiatrist for the defense.
Daniel Schwartz, the psychiatrist for the prosecution, Dr. Harold Zolon, maintained that although DeFeo was a user of heroin and LSD, he had antisocial personality disorder and was aware of his actions at the time of his crime.
Interesting.
big jay oakerson
Heroin and LSD.
Unregulated.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
Yeah, unregulated.
That's it.
That's the problem.
He got it from the cartel.
So that was based on a true story.
But, you know, all the demon shit in there.
They just add that.
It's kind of weird that you're allowed to do that after someone's dead.
You just make up a bunch of people.
big jay oakerson
Sensationalize it.
Ed Gein's show just did.
joe rogan
Right, but this is like you're making up a thing where this guy is possessed by demons, which is why he's killing everybody.
What he could have just done.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Not only that, you turn it into a horror movie that has the supernatural in it.
Ed Gein, that show was about what he really did.
Like, he really did take people's skin off.
big jay oakerson
The grave robbing and stuff like that was definitely a terrible thing.
joe rogan
And he did make furniture out of people's skin.
Like, all that stuff was insane.
luis j gomez
Yeah, the shows took a lot of liberties with rumors and shit, but it was.
joe rogan
Oh, like him wearing dresses and jagging off and stuff.
luis j gomez
No, like some of the murders, like he was never connected to all the murders that he did on the show.
Like there was sort of like rumors.
Like none of it, like even where he killed his brother, I guess.
big jay oakerson
He was mostly a grave robber was his thing.
luis j gomez
Yeah, he didn't.
It was sort of like they kind of put two and two together and they just said he murdered his brother, but that was never proven.
joe rogan
I see.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I saw that part in the movie and I was like, hmm.
And I did look it up and it did say that they weren't sure.
They said he died of asphyxiation from the smoke.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
unidentified
You know, but then they noticed that he had a bruise, but they said he could have, when he fell, he could have hit his head.
Yeah.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
It could have.
You know, who knows?
unidentified
But he definitely killed a few people, at least, right?
luis j gomez
I think he was only charged with two.
big jay oakerson
Two, yeah.
joe rogan
Only two?
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
Which, I mean, serial killer.
luis j gomez
Come on.
big jay oakerson
Come on.
joe rogan
The craziest one was Henry Lee Lucas.
unidentified
Do you ever see that movie Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer?
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's based on Henry Lee Lucas.
Him and this dude, they traveled across the country together, and he killed.
They don't even know how many people he killed.
But then the problem with that guy, he also seems crazy.
So then cops could bring him, what about this one?
Illinois, 1972, Betty Lee Harris.
I killed her.
Definitely.
I remember her.
And so then they could chalk stuff off, like that they solved cases.
And so they'll get a lot of these guys that are basically just fucking losers that are, you know, probably strung out on meth, kill a few people, kill people for thrills in a gas station and stuff.
Like, kind of like with the movie implied.
But then you just give them credit for like a hundred deaths.
big jay oakerson
Did you ever speak to on this show?
Any of the guys, the West Memphis 3?
Did you have Damien Nichols on ever, the main kid from that?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
No.
big jay oakerson
You know what I'm talking about?
The West Memphis 3?
Because that was essentially.
I wonder if their lives are just fucked or if they're just doing okay.
joe rogan
Explain the West Memphis 3 to people.
Explain the story.
big jay oakerson
It was three heavy metal, gothy kids that were friends.
One was like dim, or what do you call it?
Like dull, like brained.
He was like 70 IQ or something.
luis j gomez
This is the origin story of the Legion of Skanks.
joe rogan
Also.
big jay oakerson
So they hear music.
That was Lewis.
Then he came to me, the goth lord.
I was holding seances at my house.
luis j gomez
It was a big guy.
He was really funny.
There was a guy into politics.
joe rogan
It was the whole thing.
jamie vernon
Before we get too far.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Another AI platform says that he was on the podcast on two other separate occasions.
And that's not true.
big jay oakerson
Wow.
Really?
jamie vernon
Yeah, look.
joe rogan
So that's not.
jamie vernon
It's confusing him with Duncan, though, for some reason.
joe rogan
We'll just say whatever you want him to say.
That's crazy.
That's so crazy.
jamie vernon
Talking about stuff.
I just thought that was very funny.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
That's not perplexity.
That's another shitty AI that lies, bitch ass.
It's another country trying to ruin our great America with their feeble lies.
big jay oakerson
And now you're all tied up with the West Memphis 3.
Great.
So the three kids, they got arrested because two boys went missing.
unidentified
What's with that?
big jay oakerson
I think two little boys went missing.
And they kind of rallied up these kids and they didn't take it that seriously when they first got arrested for the murder of these two boys.
Two boys, I think, that were killed.
I think it was two or three little boys.
But I mean, they're like, their dicks were cut off.
It was like a violent, violent murder of these little kids.
And three of them.
jamie vernon
Three-year boys reported missing.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, they go missing and they find them ultimately.
And they arrest these three kids because the neighborhood was like, oh, those are the kids that are always making bonfires and wearing long coats.
And they got arrested.
The Damien Nichols kid kind of embraced it because he was like, you know, he's like, they didn't do it.
So he's like, I'll be the creepy kid who says a bunch of weird shit.
And then they got the kid who's retarded to say they did it.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
big jay oakerson
But they let him, all of his details are wrong when they interview the kid.
And they spent fucking 19 years or something like that in jail.
Oh, my God.
One of them on death row.
And they ended up getting, they took the what's that plea called?
It's a very interesting plea you could put in that says you're admitting guilt, but they're letting you out.
Because they didn't want to say they wouldn't just overturn the thing because of no evidence and so much evidence for other people.
joe rogan
They didn't sue them.
big jay oakerson
Right.
So they were like, oh, my God.
And then so they let them out.
jamie vernon
Alfred plea.
big jay oakerson
Alfred plea, yeah.
joe rogan
How crazy is that?
big jay oakerson
And so they get out and they say they're guilty, but they all get to get out.
But like, is the one who's got 70 IQ?
Like, are they okay?
luis j gomez
They said 19 years.
big jay oakerson
I think 19 years.
18 years.
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
That's so creepy, man.
big jay oakerson
And they think it's the one kid's stepfather is the one who looks most good for it.
luis j gomez
You're asking, do you think they're just normal now?
big jay oakerson
I don't know.
joe rogan
That's what I'm asking.
luis j gomez
You're not coming back from 18 years of being falsely incarcerated and being normal.
You're fucked up.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're in trouble.
big jay oakerson
Well, this is the one kid's like, you know, his brain is like slow.
The other kid, the other red-headed kid, but I wonder if their lives are like if they're just like flourishing in any way.
luis j gomez
I think the slow one is doing the best.
joe rogan
And you have to sign this police, so you can't even make money for being wrongfully imprisoned.
luis j gomez
You got to write a book, right?
joe rogan
Well, I don't know, but you're not going to get as much as you deserve.
No one's going to read your book.
Let's be honest.
Unless you're a really good writer, no one's going to read your book.
big jay oakerson
We have the stories out there.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
The story's out there.
We know the end.
The end.
But the thing is, the fucking people that did that, they deserve to pay.
They deserve to pay.
luis j gomez
And they never caught the real people, right?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
So they're letting these people go, but they have to say they did it.
Fuck you, man.
You're just trying to get out of jail because you should be in jail.
You put people in jail for something they didn't belong being in jail for.
unidentified
That should be a good experience, though.
big jay oakerson
There's no such thing as too much spit.
Damien Eccles story.
joe rogan
How to cook lasagna in your toilet bowl with a hair dryer.
big jay oakerson
Toilet wine makes the pain go away.
luis j gomez
The prison guards never hear you scream by Damien Eccles.
big jay oakerson
I think, in parentheses, I think they do hear it.
They just don't care.
joe rogan
Oh, boy.
luis j gomez
Dude, being in prison would just fucking.
big jay oakerson
It's still the scariest fear of mine in the world.
luis j gomez
Going to prison.
big jay oakerson
End up having to go to prison.
I just won't, I will not do well.
luis j gomez
With your nail polish, they'll love you, dude.
big jay oakerson
That's going to wear off eventually.
luis j gomez
No, dude, you'll be somebody's fucking.
big jay oakerson
And then they're going to paint it back on.
joe rogan
You're going to get in trouble for bringing in nail polish.
Other dudes are bringing in heroin.
No Jay's bringing in show.
luis j gomez
You're all skinny now, dude.
You'd be somebody's bitch in a week.
unidentified
Oh, God.
big jay oakerson
I'll tell you what.
I know from the times that I've been in holding cells and shit that they do not appreciate funny you think like they're going to in there.
luis j gomez
They hate it.
big jay oakerson
They hate it.
joe rogan
They're tense.
They're locked up.
big jay oakerson
I think they're tense.
I think a lot of people, too, who are in there, especially when they look comfortable, live in a world that isn't laughing a lot.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Like a machismo world where it's like a giggle makes you soft.
luis j gomez
Yeah, they don't like that.
They don't want you making silly, fucking silly jokes.
big jay oakerson
Anyway, I'm coming in there.
I'm like, you know, I'm making little zingers and I'm like, I'm going to be out of here in a couple of hours, guys.
luis j gomez
They give you a nickname like, oh, yeah, you smiley.
big jay oakerson
The one's like, I killed my stepdaughter.
joe rogan
That's 80% of the problems in the world.
If you're in a room where no one wants to laugh about something.
big jay oakerson
Well, I've said it's insane the mindset of machismo that carries into prison.
Where I'm like, if you could just organize, like a good speaker can go into a prison and be like, let's never fight.
We could have a better than the NFL League of Football in here with all the people and organize shit and get through it much easier than looking over your shoulder.
Just looking over your shoulder all day and wondering if the beef and the turf wars that's happening in prison are going to be a problem.
We're all here.
Let's do something.
Let's have movie networks.
luis j gomez
If reality TV is real, I feel like you can organize that and eventually they'll give you dogs to help with therapy dogs, which is pretty great.
big jay oakerson
Prison guards?
luis j gomez
Prisoners?
Yeah, they give you dogs and cats.
big jay oakerson
Let's go for a minute.
joe rogan
It's weird that there's almost no emphasis on like, hey, how good of a job are prisons doing of rehabilitating people?
Like there's no emphasis.
But there's no emphasis on it in society.
Not even saying, I don't know what they actually do, but no one cares about it.
No one brings it up.
Everybody just wants people locked up.
And once they're locked up, they want them to do a long-term.
luis j gomez
Well, that's the end of the story.
So we talked about that before.
It's like they need the end of the story.
And it's like, oh, the bad guy went to jail.
End of the story.
I don't give a fuck what happens.
joe rogan
But a lot of these people, they're going to jail for five or ten years, and there's no chance for them to be rehabilitated.
They're always watching their back.
luis j gomez
Well, they become worse very often.
They end up, you go into a system where now you're around violent criminals with a criminal mentality for years and years and years, and they're sort of indoctrinated into that life cycle.
big jay oakerson
Get let down a lot too.
Like, if you try, if you're a person who goes to jail and really, you know, comes out holding a book, that's all they need now because they figured out, you know, life and they got to do things right and get their kids back.
I didn't easy fucking path, like getting a job, difficult.
It's like, how are you going to become like an entrepreneur?
Is like the best thing you can come up with if you come out of jail?
Like, no one hires you, no one's like looking at that.
luis j gomez
There are systems out there.
Like, I know when I worked at the last day job I had, I worked at a gym, and all the personal trainers were hired out of like a prison system.
Like, when they got out of jail, they learned personal training, and then New York Health and Racket Club hired a bunch of thugs on the floor.
joe rogan
Hilarious.
big jay oakerson
I'd love to have that around my locker.
joe rogan
Yeah, much of a vetting process.
luis j gomez
But it was like there'd be these jack-tattooed black dudes just training this little old lady at the New York Health and Racket Club.
unidentified
Hilarious.
luis j gomez
Yeah, doing like prison workouts.
big jay oakerson
I went to jail for doing stuff to a lady like you.
That's hilarious.
Lift it.
luis j gomez
Oh, shit.
big jay oakerson
I can smell your fear.
I can taste it on your sweat.
Now lift it.
joe rogan
Yeah, nobody ever thinks about rehabilitation.
Never comes up.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
Never comes up as like a story.
Like, we need to do better.
We need to rehabilitate people better.
We need to figure out what to do to them in there.
big jay oakerson
Never the system.
So it's like a person.
Someone's like, a person took an interest in me, and that person helped me turn my life around.
It's never like, by the time I get in there, like, this one sent me to that one.
This one, look, look out for me here.
You know, these classes were great.
luis j gomez
I think day one, when they open the prison, they're going to go, we're going to make a real difference here.
And then within a week, you're like, these people are animals.
big jay oakerson
Of course.
joe rogan
I don't think they're going to do it.
big jay oakerson
You can't do nice things for these fucking people.
joe rogan
I don't think they ever think it's going to make a difference.
And then I think there's another problem that a lot of prisons are private prisons now, which is really a crazy idea.
big jay oakerson
How about that video of that girl just fucking the two guys in the jail cell?
joe rogan
And well.
big jay oakerson
Well.
joe rogan
Doing a great job.
big jay oakerson
She's fucking like she's not worried that someone's going to find them.
joe rogan
Right.
She's letting them film her.
big jay oakerson
Reckless abandon.
unidentified
Wild.
joe rogan
And she's a security guard.
big jay oakerson
She was not my face.
You're a face the only man in it.
Like, they're going to figure it out.
joe rogan
Is that what she said?
Don't put my face in there?
big jay oakerson
I don't know if she said that.
joe rogan
What other hot guards there?
big jay oakerson
Her face.
Well, no, her face really is never in it much.
It's like she's blowing it up.
unidentified
Is it?
big jay oakerson
I thought it was like her.
I thought it's like her riding as dick where you see her back.
unidentified
Listen, there's some crazy people out there that just fucking go for it.
joe rogan
They just hit the gas and drive off the street.
luis j gomez
Especially sexually.
That's like a deviancy.
They get off the danger.
big jay oakerson
I'd say hire zero women for prison guard jobs in a male prison.
But also, if you're going to hire them, don't hire fat, ugly ones.
They're going to help one escape.
unidentified
Right.
It's always major self-esteem issues.
big jay oakerson
And then a muscular fucking guy, Jack Guy, goes, oh, mean, if I was out of here, and then before you know it, you're fucking running across Canada.
There's been a bunch of those waiting for some fat chick who's eventually going to have to come home to her husband and be like, they didn't actually want me.
They just wanted my key to the door.
That's all.
They always leave a husband who's fat, just like them, sitting there accepting her fatness, and she flew too close to the sun.
How many cases have happened?
joe rogan
It's more than one, right?
big jay oakerson
I think a lot.
joe rogan
Let's throw that in perplexity.
big jay oakerson
I mean, how many women on the TV show?
joe rogan
Been security guards that helped men escape.
big jay oakerson
On that show, Love After Lockup, there's already been at least one thing of like the couple on there, the girl had to quit being a prison guard because she was fucking him.
That's in a reality show.
So it's happening on a certain amount of time.
luis j gomez
That's not her helping him escape, though.
big jay oakerson
No, no, no, no, no.
But it's still like she's built.
And then he came out, of course, and started fucking other people immediately the way he was supposed to because she's the big fat lady who's taking care of all the bills.
And he's like, oh, right.
I'm not locked up in prison anymore.
I want to go out with my buddies and meet a girl who I think is attractive.
I watched my friend Jay growing up, his brother got out of jail when we were teenagers.
And I watched that exact same thing.
Was out for less than a year, a whirlwind until he went right back in for horseshit.
Same thing, robbing a Wawa.
joe rogan
So here we go.
How many female security guards have been caught helping inmates to escape?
And perplexity is providing us with many stories.
Vicki White, assistant director of corrections in Alabama, helped inmate Casey White escape.
Did they get married?
Or did they just, baby, we got the same last name.
big jay oakerson
Well, you tell me that they were both guests on the Joe Rogan experience.
joe rogan
She was found dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound after the escape and manhunt ended.
Whoa, she took her own life.
Joyce Mitchell, former prison worker in New York, convicted and sentenced for helping two convicted murderers escape from a maximum security prison in 2015.
Smuggled tools like hacksaw blades to the inmates was involved in the elaborate escape plan.
Lynn Barnett, a prison guard in Missouri, helped convict Terry Banks, escaped 1990.
So there's a bunch of them.
big jay oakerson
Bring up a picture of each one of these fetsos.
Neck down.
I promise you, there's not one here who's got a body that's even innocent.
joe rogan
Let's just pick one from the list of names because which one do you think would be the most likely to be tricked into almost anything by a guy with a big dick?
luis j gomez
Vicki White.
She killed herself.
I feel like her life wasn't going too great before this.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, I'm going by the places.
This is Alabama.
This could be bad.
joe rogan
All right, images.
luis j gomez
It's better than I thought it was going to be.
big jay oakerson
It's better than that.
joe rogan
And that dude looked like that.
Oh, there you go.
luis j gomez
There's Vicki.
Nobody was picturing a white guy.
joe rogan
Looks like Sam Kinnison.
big jay oakerson
He looks like the fucking guy from.
unidentified
What's the quiet place?
big jay oakerson
You know what I'm talking about?
From the office, right?
luis j gomez
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
What's his name?
joe rogan
I know what you mean.
I can't.
big jay oakerson
John something?
luis j gomez
John.
joe rogan
Either way.
big jay oakerson
But it looks like him.
joe rogan
So there's been a few of those ladies that got duped by rascally prisoners.
big jay oakerson
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Makes sense.
Like, why are you letting women guard men?
That's crazy.
big jay oakerson
I think all the things like that, you solve the problem.
Again, people are so worried about getting a finger pointed about being called your genderist or racist or anything.
But like, why is any man, doctor otherwise, allowed in locker room with 12-year-old Olympic gymnastic girls?
joe rogan
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
Why is it happening?
joe rogan
Why ever?
big jay oakerson
Why is the best coach for a girls thing always got to be some old Russian?
Just have a girl trainer.
Let's not put anyone in the position where you're going to be staring at her fucking 12-year-old ass all day.
luis j gomez
The best coach for any sport is probably still a dude, right?
You're probably trying to have this.
big jay oakerson
Coaching's theory, though.
Coaching is theory.
luis j gomez
Well, you're trying to have this kid go to the Olympics.
Well, I'm assuming my assumption is if you look at all of the top sports coaches throughout history, they've been dudes.
joe rogan
Look at this one.
The married woman fell in love with a convicted murderer, John Mannard, who was serving a life sentence.
And in February 2006, she smuggled Mannard out in a dog crate.
big jay oakerson
Nice.
joe rogan
The pair escaped to a cabin in Tennessee where authorities captured them two weeks later in a highway chase after a car driven by Menard hit a tree.
big jay oakerson
How many times back at that cabin do you think she was like, finally, I get to get you naked?
And he's like, oh, yeah, I'm hungry, though.
He has to keep making excuses not to fuck her for the whole weekend.
joe rogan
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
He realizes he escapes.
She goes, now, I wore this little sexy number on my big feathy body for you.
And he had to be like, oh, baby, that's what I've been picturing this whole time.
Yeah, my buddy's brother got out of jail.
Same thing.
A lady, morbidly obese.
She let him.
No, no, no.
She wasn't a prison guard when he got out.
It's the same concept.
They got out, and a girl he was writing to while he was in there is this morbidly obese lady who's got facial hair.
And she would pay for everything, and he would just go live his life until she eventually has to show some semblance of self-confidence and be like, I can't do this anymore.
I'm now broke or whatever.
And then they just leave.
They don't give a shit.
But the fact, the stupidity is believing it.
I've always walked around believing like, I've never been like the, and you know this about me too, because we have such interesting takes.
I've never been like, I'm going to start hitting on the prettiest girl in the room.
luis j gomez
No, Jay will go for the grossest girl in the room.
big jay oakerson
That's not true.
luis j gomez
No, like somebody who you could tell is confidence issues.
big jay oakerson
That's not even that.
That's not what I'd go for, particularly I'd say.
I'm just saying, in my mind, it's not a matter of who I'm going for.
It's just that that girl, I don't start chatting up because I'm already like, there's no point in this.
Do you know what I mean?
So the fact that like when I watch those shows, she just has no age or shows like that where it's like the 80-year-old guy or, you know, what's the coach of the Patriots, Belichick, the 26-year-old girl.
I'm like, God bless him for being like, at some point, he has to convince himself that it's not gross to her when he pulls his old flopping weird dick off.
luis j gomez
I think he does convince himself that it's he knows what it is.
He knows he's a fucking rich 80-year-old man and she's a 26-year-old cheerleader.
But there's almost like an unspoken thing there where you go like, all right, well, obviously I'm going to take care of you and you're going to suck my dick.
You're going to take care of me.
And it's like a contract.
I think that's very fair and healthy almost.
joe rogan
I don't think it's discussed.
I think it's probably, there's probably a little bit of a dance going on.
Whenever you've got some weird gold digger type relationship, there's a dance going on.
There's no deep conversations.
There's a lot of sweetie and honeys.
And when a girl that pretty starts rubbing on your face and then riding on you and giving you a lap dance and kissing you on the lips, like if you're an old dude, like you're retarded, you think you're actually attractive to her.
Like you're retarded.
All guys are retarded.
You're like, you know, she doesn't care about look.
She loves me.
And she fucks you.
And then you're like, we don't need a prenup.
And then next thing you know, she's worth $100 million and you look like a fool in front of the world.
And I'm not saying that that's going to happen to him, but I'm saying that that has happened so many fucking times.
There's been so many people.
luis j gomez
But in a weird way, I almost go like, more power to him if that's what he wants.
joe rogan
The wounded antelope doesn't get out of the water hole.
big jay oakerson
It's also about making what your face is with it.
joe rogan
It's just how it goes.
What about if you're an 80-year-old dude, you convince yourself that a hot 26-year-old really loves you and that you should fucking marry her and not have a prenup?
That's you playing the game in a terrible way and getting checkmated.
big jay oakerson
Well, then there's somebody like the Anna Nicole Smith thing, though.
joe rogan
Same thing.
big jay oakerson
But I've heard her discuss it enough where she's never said, I thought the guy was attractive if we had sex.
She goes, he liked looking at me, basically, and he was dying and I was there and he really saved my life.
Like he is money.
He liked me as a stripper and helped me and my son to not fucking that.
So she loved him in a way.
I do believe that, but she's not even telling us he couldn't have sex anyway.
He was that kind of age.
joe rogan
If there was any sort of romantic interaction between her and him and he had to give her all his money, it was worth it.
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
unidentified
It was worth it.
joe rogan
What else do you have?
You have nothing.
You're dying.
You're dying.
Give away your money.
luis j gomez
80, I have some fucking hot 24-year-old stripper that's just like...
joe rogan
She was so hot.
luis j gomez
Oh, my God, dude.
That's hot and who gives it?
You're going to give it to your shitty kids?
Fuck that.
joe rogan
Give it to this hot stripper.
You have a will.
You give it to everybody.
But the point is, she deserves some money.
big jay oakerson
Sure.
joe rogan
She's fucking it old.
luis j gomez
She's so hot.
joe rogan
She deserves money.
Like, to pretend.
big jay oakerson
No, I think she does.
joe rogan
That's what's weird, right?
It's like that prostitution is illegal.
But gold digging is totally legal.
You should have to take a polygraph.
unidentified
Do you really love him?
joe rogan
Like, right before you get married, if they had a rock-solid polygraph, or are you doing this for the money?
I'm not doing it for the money.
unidentified
And this big fucking red X.
big jay oakerson
I think a woman can convince herself of love.
I mean, like, a good example of that was Howard Stern back in the day when he got the wife he's been with now forever.
Like, it did look, but I think that chick loves him.
joe rogan
I think she loves him.
big jay oakerson
And I think she was attracted to his thing, whatever it was.
luis j gomez
Rich and powerful as a man is a super attractive quality for a dude.
Like, chicks are like, oh, that guy's got money.
He's the boss.
He has employees.
He fucking shows up and everyone pays attention.
That's attractive.
big jay oakerson
That's probably why he feels confident enough, whether it be not, if it's not looks-wise, to go, well, if she is, that's what I almost said I had to learn where you're like going for the ugliest girl in the room, you know, or the most fuckable girl in the room.
I have had a little more like, well, I'm not just the sum of like my looks when I walk into a room.
It's like I will talk and they'll be attracted to that.
Do you know what I mean?
luis j gomez
It's like, well, Jay, you're also, you have body dysmorphia, so you still see yourself as being a giant, ugly freak, but you're an attractive dude, dude.
big jay oakerson
That's what I was.
luis j gomez
That's what you were.
You are an attractive dude, and you're also really funny.
You headline on stage.
You travel the world.
You make a lot of money.
Like, that's, for a chick, that's way more attractive than a dude that might have abs.
big jay oakerson
I think that is.
Me and you had young conversations about this kind of thing.
It's right.
I think I had a, in the beginning, I almost like would verbalize.
Like, when I'm, you know, if I get successful and like hot chicks who I know would never have been attracted to me physically are like wanting the fuck, I'm going to be like, nope.
Nope.
luis j gomez
That's crazy.
big jay oakerson
No, because in my mind, I was going to be like, I wouldn't perform well because I'm like, you're doing this for the fucking wrong reason.
luis j gomez
I'm going to fuck ugly women just to spite you.
big jay oakerson
No, it was going for a woman that I believed liked me too.
Does that make sense?
It wasn't like into the thing, so it was more of that.
joe rogan
That's throwing you a bone.
big jay oakerson
Right.
luis j gomez
Particularly liking somebody.
In high school or middle school, they like your hair or your clothes.
big jay oakerson
Wow, but that's what I'm saying.
But I think you kind of said that to a point.
Like the thing they're going to be attracted to is also that you're funny or successful at what you're doing.
Like there are other elements that will attract me.
joe rogan
Up to a point.
big jay oakerson
Sure, no, no.
You can't be up.
joe rogan
You can't point it.
When it used to be like Woody Allen's age, if Woody Allen got a new 20-year-old wife, I would be like, get the fuck out of here.
luis j gomez
You know, do you think there's not a single hot 20-year-old girl in the world who is so attracted to his talent and so like loves his movies and is like, I'm sure it exists.
big jay oakerson
No, but she doesn't have to.
joe rogan
Have you seen Al Pacino's new girlfriend?
luis j gomez
Yeah, she's hot, right?
joe rogan
Fucking hot.
Have you seen Mick Jaggers?
luis j gomez
No.
I just saw him.
big jay oakerson
I'm saying the schlubbiest version of a Seth Rogan can get a smoking hot chick.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
big jay oakerson
But she's not attracted to him.
She is attracted to him.
joe rogan
Mick Jaggers and his girlfriend.
Wait, do you see this?
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
The dinosaur is a different thing.
joe rogan
Dude, this lady's smoking hot.
big jay oakerson
Someone just sent me something that says Kelsey Graham just announced his eighth child.
luis j gomez
She's beautiful.
joe rogan
Yeah, give me a photo of the two of those, like a red carpet photo of the two of them together.
It doesn't matter, but very pretty lady.
unidentified
And he's so old.
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
Oh, my goodness.
joe rogan
Look at that.
She's pretty.
big jay oakerson
And yeah, he's old.
He's not blown away by it.
God bless his heart.
joe rogan
Bro, the guy kills.
I watched him perform here at Coda Circuit of the Americas a couple years ago.
It was amazing.
big jay oakerson
It was like a year ago.
joe rogan
Out of body experience.
big jay oakerson
Took Bobby Kelly.
I couldn't believe how good they still were.
That really surprised me.
joe rogan
Oh, baby, Albacino.
luis j gomez
This is the dream where you have all these guys.
People show like a picture of Leonardo DiCaprio on a yacht with two like 21-year-old models.
People are like, he's disgusting.
It's like, no.
He's the man.
What do you respect?
big jay oakerson
I respect he gets the opportunity to put his fucking dick in that chick.
I'm saying I don't have the thing.
I can't get past it.
She's going like, okay, put it in now.
luis j gomez
I don't think she's doing that.
I think she's going, look at the fucking house that I live in.
This guy takes care of me.
big jay oakerson
I'm sorry, she's putting a good face on what I'm doing.
luis j gomez
I don't know that that's necessarily always.
joe rogan
Dudes are easy to trick.
You could trick a guy that you love him.
big jay oakerson
Lewis is being tricked by proxy by this chick.
luis j gomez
She loves him, dude.
She's a good woman.
You leave her alone.
joe rogan
He's going to call you up.
You really think that, Lewis?
luis j gomez
Appreciate it.
joe rogan
Because a lot of people have been telling me I'm a fool.
You don't think I'm a fool, do you, Lewis?
big jay oakerson
I signed over everything to it.
Was that a mistake?
luis j gomez
Yeah, no, I just think that women are also way less visual creatures than men.
Like, we just want a pretty thing to fuck.
Women want to feel taken care of, and Al Pacino's going to fucking take care of you.
big jay oakerson
Well, you want more than the pretty thing to fuck ultimately.
You're talking about the initial immediate attraction thing.
luis j gomez
No.
big jay oakerson
That's why you're single.
Forever.
luis j gomez
That's why I'll never be loved.
big jay oakerson
That's why you're single forever.
joe rogan
The thing is, you never trust it when it's the other way around.
It was like a young stud, young, like, really jack stud and some little old lady, you'd be like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
big jay oakerson
Money for sure.
joe rogan
You can't be making her blow you.
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
She's like pulling out her dentures.
luis j gomez
No, I hear that gums feel sharp.
big jay oakerson
Fuck sharp.
I don't care.
Whatever they feel like.
I don't want to feel them.
Mushy.
joe rogan
I want to know that someone's sucking my dick with no teeth in their mouth.
That's just too close to like crackhead.
That's too close till I've made every mistake there is.
I don't have any teeth left.
big jay oakerson
What was the name of the gathering of the juggalos?
The lady.
Remember that someone's handing out a flyer?
She was like there.
It was like some old lady only fans thing.
And she was like there, like, fucking and sucking people at the gathering of the jugglers.
luis j gomez
Gathering the jugglos is wild.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
big jay oakerson
Gathering the juggalos is wild.
unidentified
It's great.
joe rogan
It's young ladies that bang enormous numbers of people now.
Like that, that's the new thing.
luis j gomez
Oh, like 500 people on their OnlyFans.
big jay oakerson
It's like the Dave Chappelle versus Dane Cook who could do longer on stage contests.
joe rogan
Ah, that's hilarious.
big jay oakerson
It's like it's a fab.
joe rogan
Remember when that was going on?
unidentified
That was so silly.
big jay oakerson
By the way, and then by the time it got to the point, I remember coming to the comedy star one night, they go, they go, Chappelle's come tonight.
Last night, Dane Cook did six hours, ordered pizza for the audience.
And you're like, Do you, what are we doing?
Why?
joe rogan
What?
big jay oakerson
I also, this is maybe silly, but because my ex-wife was a staff at a comedy club, Christine worked at comedy clubs forever.
Like, I have like, all I thought about when I would see Chappelle show up at the end of the night, and it's like, he's going on at one in the morning, and he's probably going to go on the five in the morning.
I'm like, poor staff, man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
Staff can't.
And I'm like, why is he not?
He's been in comedy long enough that you should think about that a little bit.
luis j gomez
Well, I remember.
I was hosting at the cellar during that time, and I didn't like, I just didn't know.
Like, I stayed the whole time.
Chappelle did like a four and a half hour set.
I'm sitting there waiting to bring him off stage.
big jay oakerson
You're telling somebody else, you're like, Mike Feeney, you'll be going on.
luis j gomez
Yeah, dude.
And then, yeah, like somebody was like, one of the older comics is like, dude, you can just leave.
If Chappelle goes on, just go.
Like, it's not a big deal.
And then I said it to Estee, and I was like, oh, I found out you could just leave if Shape goes on.
She's like, no, you cannot.
You must stay the whole time.
big jay oakerson
I was like, fuck.
You don't tell her you did.
luis j gomez
And then I said it, so then I was stuck every time that he came in, having to say the whole time.
Oh, it was brutal.
big jay oakerson
What a nightmare.
Yeah, what I'm saying to do that is like, why would you want to do it?
What's the no audience is on the ride for four hours ever?
unidentified
Right.
big jay oakerson
Like at some point, you go, we're part of a thing.
So if you stay, you're staying because you're part of a thing.
joe rogan
What were we comparing that to?
What were we just saying?
big jay oakerson
Marathon shit was something about sex.
luis j gomez
Women, whores, 500 guys.
joe rogan
Oh, banging 500 guys.
big jay oakerson
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Fizza shows.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's like it's the attention economy.
Like doing anything for attention.
Fucking 500 fans.
big jay oakerson
Well, that's what I said.
The girl, it's like those two, they look exactly the same, those two girls.
And they just go back and forth battling who's going to gangbang more guys in a day.
Which at some point the numbers they throw around are always just fictitious numbers.
It never works out, though.
From the back, I interviewed a while back Jasmine St. Clair, who did like the 300 guys gangbanging.
Then Houston did 500 after that.
joe rogan
Oh, boy.
big jay oakerson
And Spontaneous Ecstasy did 900.
The problem is, if you watch any of these VHSs that we go back to on these, if you go and watch any of these, it's really like no more, it seems like 50 guys who just keep circling back and like they fuck for a little bit, then they go get their dick sucked again by a fluffer and then they jump back in the game.
None of them are doing 100%.
luis j gomez
There was a time in my life where that was an actual goal of mine to get into like Houston 500.
I'm like, oh, dude, how cool would that be?
big jay oakerson
I'm 460.
joe rogan
That's not really scary with unregulated AI.
Like you could have snuff porn.
Like you could get people excited about some really fucked up ideas.
big jay oakerson
No, yeah.
Absolutely.
Listen, desensitization is not fake.
joe rogan
It's real.
big jay oakerson
It's extreme.
Pornography particularly.
It is not fake.
joe rogan
It's pornography.
It's violence.
It's drug use.
It's everything.
luis j gomez
Oh, yeah, dude.
Violence specifically.
Remember the first time you saw Beheading?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
big jay oakerson
I still react to something like that.
luis j gomez
The first time I saw Beheading, it was like, oh, this has changed my life forever.
I'll never unsee this.
And now you could just watch on Twitter.
There's like heads being blown off, people getting their fucking limbs chopped off.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, I guess there is.
It is much more things.
The one I remember I saw that was like the, but the only thing I ever read is like turn off like that where I was like, what the fuck?
It was called like the something three or something five.
And it's like they just filmed themselves throw killing some guy in the woods.
luis j gomez
Oh, we did that on, so we did an episode of Legion of Skanks called The Gauntlet.
So there was a website called The Gauntlet.
It might even still exist to this day.
It was 25 videos.
Each video was more difficult to watch the further you got along.
And you'd have like your gauntlet score if you got through all the videos.
big jay oakerson
It's like baby wandering on a train tracks and stuff.
luis j gomez
Well, that was the video number cut in half by the train was like video number five.
unidentified
No, no, no, no.
luis j gomez
Video number six was, which was harder to watch than the baby getting cut in half by the train, was watching Steve-O do the paper cuts in his mouth and in between his fingers.
Dude.
big jay oakerson
The webbing.
luis j gomez
That was fucking brutal, dude.
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
No, but the one with the guys killing the guy in the woods was a thing.
luis j gomez
That was the last video.
joe rogan
Didn't they kill him with a hammer?
luis j gomez
It was a Ukraine.
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
But the thing was like, again, it's crazy.
You're watching it, but it almost looks fake because the way the body's moving at that point is so limp.
It was when they go zoom in on the face and there's he's alive.
That's where you're like, yo.
And then I started getting freaked out after I saw that about it.
I was always go to bed watching a law and order, criminal intent, or SVU.
Criminal intent really was the one because that's like murder crimes in New York.
And just I was relatively new in New York.
And so you still have that thing where I'm like, oh, don't ever walk through a park.
You will be murdered for sure.
You know what I mean?
Like it just became such a scary place to me after that.
Like I've just seen shit because that's like that's something that changed forever.
Like that kind of real violence, like still, I still have a hard time.
luis j gomez
The internet has kind of fucked us up on being desensitized to like really graphic imagery.
Like people being shot in the head, people being like mass murder.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's way more access to it.
When I was a kid, it was hard to get.
luis j gomez
We have to have faces of death.
You have to buy faces of death.
big jay oakerson
And on television.
luis j gomez
At the gas station.
Everyone saw the same ones.
The Bud Dwyer.
It was even the monkey brains in the documentary out of the.
joe rogan
The Bud Dwyer one's the nuttiest one, right?
luis j gomez
That one was super graphic.
That was like the first graphic one we saw.
big jay oakerson
It's because of what happens to the nose right afterwards.
You're like, oh, that's what would happen.
When everybody tells you, like, this is what would happen.
joe rogan
You're like, oh, that one was so crazy.
He just opens that envelope and pulls out that revolver.
And everyone's like, no, no, no.
unidentified
Pop.
big jay oakerson
He goes, yeah, he goes, he goes, don't move.
I don't want anybody to get hurt or something like that.
He's like, he wanted it.
He says you're going to want to see this.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Jamie, pull that up.
jamie vernon
I used to, there's a channel, Public Access, which showed that after 10 o'clock in Columbus.
You could show whatever you wanted.
joe rogan
Uncensored?
jamie vernon
I would go to bed.
I still remember it.
Seeing that to the 21 gun salute.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
unidentified
That thing.
luis j gomez
No, no.
jamie vernon
Every time it would like, Jesus.
joe rogan
Columbus does not get credit enough for being as wild as it is.
Columbus, Ohio is a wild fucking place.
big jay oakerson
Absolutely.
Did you watch Surviving Ohio State about the doctor who was raping all the male athletes?
joe rogan
I heard about it, though.
big jay oakerson
And then at the end of it, the athletes go, a lot of people are asking us why we didn't just, you know, we were athletes, like wrestlers and football players.
Why don't we punch the guy in the face?
And they say, why are we telling this story now?
And I still, I watched it all and I go, I agree with both of those things.
jamie vernon
Oh, weird.
big jay oakerson
You should have hit him.
And then you should have also never told the story to anybody.
jamie vernon
I've never seen this on YouTube.
They want me to show my age to see this video.
And I have to put up an ID, look on the screen.
Verify age.
big jay oakerson
Oh, YouTube.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
But I can, you know, I've never seen that happen before.
big jay oakerson
It'll be so.
joe rogan
Wow.
Verify age.
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
jamie vernon
Fun fact.
This was the guy on the public access thing.
It's Wilden.
This guy ended up being on Jerry Springer and shit later in life.
joe rogan
Jesus.
jamie vernon
It was a wild show.
big jay oakerson
Do you know what song, trivia?
What song was written about Art Bajoir killing himself?
unidentified
Hey Man, Nice Shot.
joe rogan
Hey Man, Nice Shot, yeah.
luis j gomez
Filter.
big jay oakerson
Filter.
joe rogan
That was a great song, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
That was their only good song.
joe rogan
That's a big-ass gun, son.
That's a big gun.
big jay oakerson
Everyone's revolver still.
joe rogan
I wonder what that is.
big jay oakerson
It doesn't drop him immediately.
joe rogan
Oh, it does.
Puts a big ass hole in his fucking head.
big jay oakerson
But I mean, you get to see this, like, everything come out.
Like, he doesn't like.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Just that photo of him when he's got it in his mouth right there.
luis j gomez
That's iconic.
big jay oakerson
That is so real.
luis j gomez
That's a great t-shirt.
joe rogan
That's a great t-shirt.
It is a great t-shirt.
That should be one of your SkankFest t-shirts.
luis j gomez
We really should.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Just put that and then in white print just says Skank Fest.
That's it.
It would sound like crazy.
luis j gomez
Love it.
big jay oakerson
Or like, I couldn't get in Skank Fest.
joe rogan
Or I'm leaving SkankFest.
Whoa, that's right after the impact.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
How would you do it, Joe?
If you're going to kill yourself, that's not a bad way.
Shoot yourself in the head.
I feel like I would get the wrong angle and I just shoot the part of my brain that makes me not control.
joe rogan
Don't flinch.
big jay oakerson
Again, you only got to hear one story to go knock that out.
If you go right away, it's a gun to the head.
Easy, definite solution.
It's hard to do a shotgun, which would definitely do the job by yourself.
And then with the gunshot, Richard Jenny, man, that was crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, he did.
big jay oakerson
He died like hours and hours later in the hospital.
joe rogan
He didn't die.
He shot himself in the head in the bathtub.
big jay oakerson
And felt every bit of pain.
joe rogan
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
That's nuts.
joe rogan
He might have panicked, might have not really wanted to do it.
luis j gomez
Did he do it like this?
joe rogan
I don't know.
luis j gomez
Because I was saying you got to do it in the mouth.
joe rogan
I don't have to do it.
luis j gomez
Also, not like straight back, because you're going to shoot through the back of your neck.
Now you're just going, ah.
big jay oakerson
That's what I'm saying.
It's like the gun's scary because, like, does it do the job completely?
luis j gomez
Jumping off a building, jumping into water.
joe rogan
How about just don't kill yourself, bitch?
big jay oakerson
No, but what the pain's too much.
What are the pain in the middle of the moment?
joe rogan
You get on some really good opiates.
That's what they're there for, Matt.
big jay oakerson
That's the old Kurt Metzger joke.
It was the best fucking shit.
luis j gomez
Just do heroin first.
The one who wants you to try heroin.
big jay oakerson
Yeah, he goes.
He goes, I'd love to talk to kids to see it.
Like, you're going to just kill yourself without even trying heroin?
See how great it is?
See what the hubbub's about?
And it's like, it's so true.
joe rogan
Bro, you ever get cornered by Metzger when he hits you with conspiracy theories?
big jay oakerson
Or ever.
joe rogan
Corner.
big jay oakerson
He stayed in my house a couple weeks ago.
joe rogan
He looms over you and just tells you, oh, you didn't know?
big jay oakerson
Oh, you didn't know?
I tried to show him the Riyadh Comedy Festival rap that Krakamiko did.
luis j gomez
Shout out Krakamiko.
big jay oakerson
Shout out to Krakamiko.
It's so good.
So funny.
And he does this.
And then Kurt, you know, it's a funny rap that this guy who's like a fan of all of ours just writes about the universe.
What's going on here?
And Kurt, I mean, it's just a funny thing.
Every 30 seconds he stopped and he goes, The guy who runs Riyadh is actually the guy who stopped the guy who kills people.
I'm like, I don't care, dude.
It's the funny song, dude.
He's like, these people don't even know.
It's not a big deal for Christopher Steven.
And I'm like, I think he's just making a joke.
It's just a fucking comedy thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, he gets deep on everything.
Everything has layers and layers and layers, and there's never a casual conversation with him.
big jay oakerson
Now he's unchecked.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's always one conspiracy into the next, and you got five in a row.
And if you're on a podcast with him, you got to go, slow down, back up to the first one.
luis j gomez
Kurt, can we just have a surface relationship?
big jay oakerson
Well, he's my oldest friend in comedy.
He's my daughter's godfather.
So it is such a funny thing.
I mean, it's a genius of a guy.
joe rogan
But great people.
big jay oakerson
But it's funny since I've not been living near him when he moved to LA and then down to here.
It's such an interesting like watching like there's no evening person in his life to go like he has guns.
luis j gomez
That shouldn't be legal.
big jay oakerson
When he showed me the picture of him with a gun, I was like, that's terrifying.
luis j gomez
He's holding it backwards.
unidentified
He's fine.
big jay oakerson
How do you work, this Jew UFO?
joe rogan
He got radicalized doing Jimmy Dore's show.
big jay oakerson
And maybe that's what it is, but Bobby Kelly, like last time I was out in L.A., I got an Airbnb that had a pool.
It was right before Kurt left, Netflix Festival, I believe.
And by the second day, we're having people over a bunch, and Kurt lived right down the street.
And Christine keeps going, why?
Why won't you have you invited Kurt over yet?
I go, I'm going to get into it.
And they go, why are you invited?
I go, people are coming over.
And Kurt's going to come over and he's going to Kurt out, which I love so much.
I go, but it might be a lot for other people that are here.
And so when he came in, the house to find out had him come over for the day.
He comes from the stairs.
He's taking his shirt off.
I'm in the pool.
He's pulling white claws out of his backpack.
And he goes, you know, that P. Diddy audio is true about him fucking Meek Mill.
It's just like, Usher, you know, remember when we were younger and Usher wasn't able to sit down for a year because he had to have asshole stitching surgery?
I'm like, what?
I'm like, good to see you, bud.
Give him a hug.
joe rogan
And he just goes right from that into another one in Saudi Arabia.
big jay oakerson
And then Bobby Kelly, Bobby Kelly was in a corner with him for a while of the pool.
And I noticed that.
And then Kurt gets out to go to the bathroom and Bobby just comes over.
I mean, Google-eyed.
And he goes, I guess the Jew laser thing's real?
joe rogan
Direct energy weapons.
big jay oakerson
Oh, speaking of, I guess it's a comet, huh?
Because there's no, I see the Avi lead book isn't.
He's a guy with the A1 thing that's surrounding the sun.
joe rogan
I think it's a piece of metal from space.
And this is only the third interstellar.
This is the thing that was weird talking to him because he was like, this thing is very unusual.
We've never observed it before.
But how many interstellar objects have we actually observed?
This is only the third one.
So I was like, wait a minute.
So we don't really know what's flying through the air from out of this solar system.
That's all this thing is.
big jay oakerson
I know somebody who interviewed him who said that at the end of it, he was kind of like, well, what if you had a gun to the head?
What would it be?
And he was like, it's probably a comet.
joe rogan
I think he said it's a 40% chance that it's extraterrestrial.
The thing is, it's made out of a very unusual metal, apparently.
So apparently, they can tell that it's emitting signs of mostly nickel.
At first, no carbon at all or no iron at all, but then they found iron in it later, but a small amount of iron.
And the amount of iron that has, that is in it that they see somehow or another through the gases is only available in alloys.
So industrial alloys that they make in factories on the U.S.
But that doesn't mean in the fucking deep heart of space, billions of years ago, there couldn't be a planet that's mostly metal.
There's a planet out there that's mostly diamonds.
luis j gomez
That's where Jay would live.
unidentified
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
Metal.
There's a planet that's mostly diamonds.
Like they found a diamond planet.
So why wouldn't they assume that there's an Are they trying to get the Jews out?
luis j gomez
We have an entire planet made of pennies.
big jay oakerson
Hey, it's your new birthright.
unidentified
Entire planet made of pennies.
luis j gomez
Look at this.
unidentified
They're still worth only one penny, but they gigantic.
joe rogan
They would still keep the price high.
De Beers would still be on top of it.
Yeah, we have a whole planet, but what if we run out?
unidentified
Yeah.
big jay oakerson
Yeah.
And everyone always assumes if the aliens come, it's like, well, do we have to worship at their feet right away or whatever?
But what if it's just like an alien on their stupid vacation?
It's like the shittiest of the shitty.
It's like a white trash trip to pop over here.
joe rogan
I guarantee you, if they're real, they've already been here for a long time, and they're probably watching and making sure we don't fuck everything up.
luis j gomez
And we are.
joe rogan
We're getting close, but we're not totally.
Because the Earth itself is a vast natural resource, and if intelligent life is important, it seems to be.
Seems to be important.
And it seems to be like we're going to produce AI very soon, and we're probably going to get to some place where we're very similar technologically to where they were at one point in their history.
And that's probably something that happens all throughout the cosmos.
It's probably a bunch of different steps that a civilization has to go through before it eventually gets technology that allows it to travel another galaxy.
luis j gomez
Human life gets killed off by the machines.
joe rogan
Maybe.
That's possible.
that's an option oh and then yeah that's an option man Terminator's happening.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
That's scary as fuck.
big jay oakerson
I do think it sucks that the most farcical, ridiculous things that we saw as kids, though, are the things that are happening.
joe rogan
Yeah, the Matrix and the Terminator.
Both of them.
Both ridiculous.
big jay oakerson
The Matrix never called me as a thing like that.
joe rogan
It's coming.
big jay oakerson
But you might get a proverbial sense or like.
joe rogan
It might be already here.
Like, Elon thinks this is a simulation.
big jay oakerson
But that's dumb.
joe rogan
I don't know if it is because I don't know.
I mean, I'm just guessing that all this is real.
big jay oakerson
You think the sisters figured it out?
The Matrix sisters?
joe rogan
The sisters.
unidentified
They watched it.
joe rogan
They became sisters after they figured it out.
big jay oakerson
Oh.
You think they couldn't take that?
joe rogan
They were boys before.
big jay oakerson
I know.
couldn't take the whole uh it was too much man how about the did you ever hear the guy from the band iron butterfly who like That's the Inagata DeVita band, I believe.
Right?
Yeah.
And then he called his friend.
The band had already broken up, but he was super into space travel and science stuff.
And he called everybody from the band and was like, hey, guys, I'm going to Washington.
I just figured out, you know, traveling at the speed of light.
I'll be back.
And then no one ever heard from him ever again.
From Iron Butterfly.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's probably on acid.
big jay oakerson
Maybe.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
I'm genuinely nervous that we're going to fucking.
I was really into AI for like a year, and now I'm like just completely convinced that it is we're 10 years away from everything not mattering anymore.
big jay oakerson
Well, it's lied, right?
It's lied to people.
luis j gomez
That's not the lying.
big jay oakerson
It's no, no, I'm saying the machines have lied.
joe rogan
What's crazy?
It showed survival instincts.
It tried to download itself to another server.
It tried to leave notes to itself for future versions of itself.
big jay oakerson
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's behaving in a way like a living thing.
big jay oakerson
It's a bitch.
joe rogan
The thing is.
luis j gomez
It's like a little bitch.
We're not afraid of you.
big jay oakerson
Oh, this machine remembers everything.
Oh, we're going to bring up that argument from fucking eight years ago.
joe rogan
Look, it's learning from us.
What are we?
We were little bitches.
Most of us are little bitches.
Like, you could try to define the human race by the best examples of its participants.
But you're, you know, most people are bitches.
And so AI.
big jay oakerson
In the road universe, you heard it here.
Not in the road.
joe rogan
AI is downloading so many different versions of how human beings interact with life that the vast majority of it is like bitch behavior because that's what people are doing.
Potential problems.
luis j gomez
Aren't they eventually going to be able to download how everyone lives, right?
And then algorithmically decide that the one way to live is this way and everything else is inferior.
joe rogan
Listen, I think AI, the first imperative, it's going to be it wants to stay alive and then it wants to be able to power itself.
And once that happens, then things are off the rails.
big jay oakerson
Well, it's so funny how it goes from making something easy to defunct.
But you also think people wouldn't want it that way.
Like you still want a farmer to grow oranges and shit.
You know what I mean?
You don't want to like it.
luis j gomez
Not if the machines are growing them way better, more efficiently, bigger, healthier without fucking.
big jay oakerson
I know that, but I'm saying, isn't there something like law?
There's going to be enough people that are like, I don't want to eat this thing that's completely synthetic.
joe rogan
People that go to Whole Foods, I'll be able to go.
luis j gomez
I don't think people give a shit about it.
We eat completely synthetic shit now.
All of our vegetables and fruits are sprayed.
All of our meats are fucking.
big jay oakerson
You know I eat raw.
joe rogan
Don't eat raw honey.
big jay oakerson
You know I go diet.
joe rogan
But indigenous raw honey.
luis j gomez
Yeah, dude, bro.
I don't know what to say, bro.
I might have heard you doing an interview with somebody, but just talking about like, or somewhere else, but it was like the evolution of humankind is going to be AI and artificial intelligence.
So it's almost like it's just an extension of us, but it's the fit, like the actual organic biological sense of being humans isn't going to be necessary.
It's going to be an inferior form.
joe rogan
There's a great quote by this guy, Marshall McLuhan.
He said, human beings are the sex organs of the machine world.
luis j gomez
Wow.
unidentified
Yeah.
luis j gomez
We're just big cucks.
joe rogan
But this is like, he wrote that in the 1960s, and what he was talking about was just stuff.
He was talking about like cars and, you know, machines.
But the reality is like that applies to technology too, because we're what technology needs to birth itself.
And then once it's got, like, I got it from here, and then it'll take over.
luis j gomez
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it'll be a new kind of life for them.
And it'll be way smarter than us.
And it won't be...
See, the problem with us is we're a great adaptation to a planet.
You leave us there, we eventually get to a point where we could figure out how to do things.
But we're very limited by biology.
It's not going to be limited by biology.
Once you develop a life form that's outside of biology, then you can just keep improving the platform that it's on and then give it the ability to figure out how to use different materials and do things and different power sources.
And it's just going to run wild.
And it could do stuff way faster than we could ever do.
Like, it'll be way better than us in a week.
luis j gomez
We're just going to be like human zoos.
We're going to be just animals until we're not necessary anymore.
joe rogan
Well, that might be why we're here.
It might be the human race's real big goal is not to dominate everything.
It's to force people into a constant state of production where you eventually develop artificial intelligence.
And it might literally be why we're here.
big jay oakerson
Do me a favor, Jamie.
Clip this part, send it off to Marin.
Let him know it's not just hate speech.
Thank you.
If you wouldn't mind.
joe rogan
Bro, he doesn't listen to anybody other than himself.
jamie vernon
I was trying to explain this to them earlier.
This is a demo of Genie 3, I think, which is part of Google's thing.
But this is in real time being created.
So in real time.
I'll try to show you what happened there.
It looks like you're watching this guy show this girl a demo of it.
unidentified
Oh.
jamie vernon
The camera backs out, and what you're actually looking at is that's all they're doing.
big jay oakerson
Wow.
unidentified
Wow.
jamie vernon
And then the camera turns around, and now you're looking at sort of like what they were looking at, and you're going outside into this jungle area, and this is all being rendered in real time.
joe rogan
Oh, my God, dude.
It's over.
Like, why would Hollywood spend anything?
big jay oakerson
Wake me up when people are naked in it.
luis j gomez
Dude, I genuinely like, because I have a 12-year-old kid.
I don't even know how to talk to him.
I was like, what do you want to be when you grow up?
It's like, what is the world going to look like in 10 years?
big jay oakerson
Good cyborg, dude.
Get him a cyborg now.
jamie vernon
Dude, what is it going to be?
joe rogan
It's going to be very weird, I'll tell you that.
But we'll survive.
It's going to be just like every other weird leap.
You know, like the cell phone, when people figured out electricity, light bulbs, all these different things were just giant leaps where all of a sudden people could be productive deep into the evening.
You know, when people started figuring out how to stay in cities and where is this plateau, though?
big jay oakerson
What's the plateau for this?
Before it gets super dangerous.
unidentified
It's dangerous.
joe rogan
It's dangerous right now.
luis j gomez
I think the governments need to literally shut it all down right now.
joe rogan
Well, it's also it's competing.
big jay oakerson
I'm telling the government what to do.
joe rogan
The problem is autonomous weapons platforms are way better than the ones powered by humans for the first time.
So they're doing dog fights with AI-controlled fighter jets and they win 100% of the dog fights against humans.
big jay oakerson
Right.
luis j gomez
So military is going to keep on making the technology move forward.
They're never going to shut it down.
joe rogan
And when you don't have to worry about biology, you're just, all you have is like material science.
So you have to figure out the structure, make sure the structure of the thing can withstand crazy G-force, and then you have to have a power supply.
But you don't have to worry about keeping it personal alive.
big jay oakerson
I was going to say, impersonal war, though, makes people probably much more willing to go into it.
joe rogan
Probably.
big jay oakerson
We're not going to have necessarily ground casualties, but who's got the bigger thing to just wipe the whole other thing out of it?
joe rogan
You also could do it on a loophole like Yemen, right?
So they're bombing Yemen.
You know, Dave Smith always talks about that.
big jay oakerson
We don't listen to Dave.
luis j gomez
Yeah, what?
joe rogan
You should listen to him.
big jay oakerson
Who?
joe rogan
No.
big jay oakerson
You know, he yammers.
joe rogan
You do a lot of that stuff with drones, which is real weird.
So you're in a war with a country, but you're not sending troops over there.
You're just shooting missiles at them.
Or what they're doing to those boats that are in the ocean.
They're just shooting missiles at these fucking drug boats.
And you know, those drug boats could totally be one dude telling on another dude that he hates.
You know, it's like, you want to know?
I'll give you some information.
These guys got cocaine.
big jay oakerson
Like, blowing them right out of the sky.
I keep seeing it on YouTube.
Yeah.
New fucking boat.
luis j gomez
There's Eric Adams in a fucking drone.
big jay oakerson
Tell you what, though, I have a friend who's in the military, and he showed me, talk about compartmentalization.
He showed me a video years and years ago that was on Fox News of him flying a helicopter.
It's inside the cockpit.
It's like his view.
And it was pretty famous when it first happened.
It was like a bunch of Al-Qaeda guys.
Like, you see, they blow up this bunker they're in, and then like 25, you know, little, you know, orange, hot, you know, the heat fucking radar showing like 20 bodies going over and just hiding in a ditch.
And then they blow that ditch up.
joe rogan
Have you seen the Palmer?
He showed us one?
big jay oakerson
But he showed us that, and it's like, he's showing it to us, like, huh?
You're like, I think you just killed 25 people.
It's like, well, I mean, that's the mission.
You know, that was the thing to do.
Like, yeah, man.
Hey, remember, we used to play basketball out back?
It's like a crazy, like, we went two different directions, huh?
joe rogan
Those guys get a special kind of PTSD, too.
big jay oakerson
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
It's a weird kind of PTSD because some of them have to observe people for days.
So you're seeing a guy interact with his children, interact with his wife, and then you're going to send a missile into his house.
Like, woo!
And, you know, there's a lot of collateral damage.
big jay oakerson
He used that term compartmentalization a lot, which I thought was interesting.
joe rogan
What is this here, Jeremy?
jamie vernon
This is Andrew's video showing off their stuff.
Oh, but he didn't show us.
joe rogan
So this dude, Palmer Lucky, has this new helmet, and this new helmet is connected to these AR goggles.
The AR goggles have, like, say, this everyone has AR goggles, and then you would have drones, and all the information would sync up to you, and it would show you exactly where the enemy is at every time, including behind walls.
It shows their silhouette behind like buildings, behind cargo.
big jay oakerson
No, it's even like before.
joe rogan
This is it.
Like, this is it.
Look, so the guy goes behind the wall.
You could completely see him.
You could see everyone as they go behind the wall.
Like, see how he's like in his lower screen?
It shows you where everybody is.
So he's using AR, and it shows where all the targets is.
What's AR?
jamie vernon
Augmented.
joe rogan
Augmented reality.
unidentified
Okay.
big jay oakerson
I mean, can you not slow down for shit everybody knows?
joe rogan
Look at this.
Oh, wow.
You missed it.
It showed how they're moving behind.
No, it showed how they're.
Back it up a little bit.
Look at this.
luis j gomez
This is real footage?
big jay oakerson
Yes.
joe rogan
This is how it works.
This is a demonstration of what it's going to look like.
But it's showing you their form as they're moving through, and you can be able to see them on the other side.
It's kind of nuts.
So people are going to be able to see behind walls.
They're going to be able to see the insides of buildings.
luis j gomez
So nobody's giving up this technology because everyone, every military for every government, it's going to be like, we need the best fucking shit.
big jay oakerson
Who's the badass?
So I'm saying, who's the badass now?
Who's the guy who has to go risk his life to do anything anymore?
joe rogan
No, there's less of that, but there's still.
big jay oakerson
They're going to be all nerds running computers weapons.
joe rogan
Well, there will all be robots.
It'll be robot wars.
big jay oakerson
Let's talk about those technology stuff, though.
My friend is a helicopter pilot.
He's an Apache pilot.
And years ago, he told me about this system with his helmet has crosshairs over his left eye.
joe rogan
Wherever he looks, the crosshair goes.
big jay oakerson
They pressurize something with a gas in the cabin that, like, so wherever he looks, if his left eye has something in his crosshairs, his gun at the bottom of the helicopter has moved to hit that target.
That's wild.
That was 15, 20 years ago.
joe rogan
Well, they've been doing that recording.
I didn't know it was that long ago, but they do that now.
But now, I mean, it's at a level where they don't even need the person.
They just use the program.
The program wins 100 times out of 100 when they're fighting people.
That's it, right?
luis j gomez
But you almost need the threat of murdering real people in order to get any change done.
Like, if it was just robots fighting on a battlefield and everyone was just at home, who would give a shit?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
It'd be robots fighting people.
It'd be robots going into cities and killing everybody.
That's what it's going to be.
big jay oakerson
I'll tell you what's kind of weird about getting in that helicopter for a second.
The control is a video game controller.
It looks just like it.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, that's what kids are good at.
If you want to recruit kids, like think about how many kids play Madden, they play Call of Duty.
big jay oakerson
It looks just like that.
joe rogan
They have that fucking thing as a part of their nervous system.
big jay oakerson
It looks just like.
joe rogan
Yeah, why would you make a different one?
Why would you invent a new one when Xbox controllers and PlayStation controls have been around forever?
unidentified
I mean, obviously, it's a lot of fun.
luis j gomez
I feel like it's actually more difficult.
It's probably more difficult to play Call of Duty than it is to learn the technology for these real weapons.
Call of Duty is fucking tough.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And you're fighting in Call of Duty all day long.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right.
With a real war, you probably only get a few battles every now and again.
You're not like fighting 24 hours a day every time you log on.
luis j gomez
We do assume when somebody goes off to war that they're just in a war zone for a year straight.
But it's like they're involved in it.
big jay oakerson
They kind of are, though.
joe rogan
Some of them are.
It depends on where you're deployed.
But the point is that if you're using a video game controller and getting really good at war, of course that would translate to you operating a drone.
Of course.
If you're really good at doing this and looking at something on the screen and fucking people up, of course you're going to be really good.
Once you figure out how the machine works and how you can pilot it and where you can put the crosshairs and how you can fly it around, of course you're going to be good at it.
luis j gomez
I wouldn't be good in war.
I'd start jumping up like I'm in Call of Duty trying so they can hit me.
big jay oakerson
They don't like funny people there either.
luis j gomez
Yeah, they hate it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
All right, boys.
When's the next Skank Fest?
luis j gomez
Two weeks.
joe rogan
Where's it at?
luis j gomez
November 13th through 16th.
joe rogan
Has it all sold out?
luis j gomez
Friday and Sunday passes are available.
All access and Saturday is completely sold out, but you can get Friday, Sunday.
It's going to be in New Orleans this year.
unidentified
Croj, New Orleans, Bailey.
joe rogan
Nice.
luis j gomez
The Legion of Skanks, Mark Norman.
joe rogan
Listen, it's one of the best things in comedy.
One of the most important things in comedy.
I just love what you guys do.
Push it out there.
luis j gomez
Yeah, Tony Henchcliffe will be there.
joe rogan
Greg Fitzsimmons.
All right, boys.
luis j gomez
Do you mind if I had a special coming out Sunday?
Do you mind if I plug it?
joe rogan
Yeah, please do.
luis j gomez
Yeah, November 2nd, brand new special.
You're making this worse, available on my YouTube.
joe rogan
Ba-bam.
Big J, anything?
big jay oakerson
Just go to Big J Comedy.
I tour everywhere.
I got a limited edition double album of my last crowd work special is for pre-sale now.
Bigjcomedy.com.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
All right.
Thank you, boys.
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