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Sept. 30, 2025 - The Joe Rogan Experience
02:23:50
Joe Rogan Experience #2386 - The Red Clay Strays
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andrew bishop
15:59
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brandon coleman
38:45
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joe rogan
01:20:14
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drew nix
04:28
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jamie vernon
00:51
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unidentified
The Joe Rogan experience.
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
brandon coleman
Well, I mean, we haven't done many podcasts, but we were on Theo's last year, and Theo's gets a lot of engagement, a lot of views.
Ours didn't do too well.
I think Burt Cast did all right.
joe rogan
You got to not pay attention.
brandon coleman
I know, I don't.
joe rogan
You got to not pay attention.
Don't pay attention to numbers.
Don't pay attention to shit.
Don't read the comments.
andrew bishop
That's where I messed up.
I got called a lesbian so many times.
brandon coleman
Andrew's mustache lesbian.
andrew bishop
Mustache.
He's like, he looks like Matthew McCarthy.
joe rogan
It might be the chain.
andrew bishop
Maybe.
joe rogan
That looks very lesbian-esque.
andrew bishop
Thank you.
joe rogan
Not a bad one.
It's not bad.
It's nothing wrong with being a lesbian.
andrew bishop
No, nothing's wrong with being a lesbian.
I'm just a heterosexual male.
brandon coleman
That's all.
joe rogan
With a wonderful mustache.
brandon coleman
I went back to the comments last night.
joe rogan
Oh, don't do that.
brandon coleman
And somebody was like, Andrew, come on, man.
Don't sit with your legs crossed.
That was just the latest one.
andrew bishop
Why is it always me getting picked on?
joe rogan
Did you sit with your legs crossed in the typical liberal fashion?
I mean, like the Gavin Newsome style.
andrew bishop
Yeah, you can't chill.
joe rogan
You've got a little bit of a gap there.
The thing is, if you get the real, the deep scissor, the deep scissor is like signaling.
andrew bishop
The trick is you got to scoop then.
joe rogan
Yeah.
andrew bishop
You got to get your stuff out the way.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know.
Doesn't seem comfortable.
andrew bishop
I've been doing it for a long time.
joe rogan
So you were telling me you're kind of burnt right now.
So you guys are fully on the road right now.
brandon coleman
Oh, yeah.
I say that, and then the next moment I'm walking around.
I was like, dang, this is fun.
But yeah, usually about this time of the year where we have a couple more months left.
It's like, man, we're almost done.
Get to be home for a while more than two days at a time.
joe rogan
How long have you guys been on the road for?
brandon coleman
This year?
Or just in general?
joe rogan
Well, all told.
brandon coleman
We started touring in Andrew's Acadia in 2018.
joe rogan
And has it been flat out since then?
brandon coleman
Pretty much.
joe rogan
We do little breaks.
brandon coleman
Yeah, we'd break in December for Christmas.
But it's gotten better.
This year we started touring in July, which was good because we usually start, we would usually start in April or when did you end?
We end in December.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
That's not too bad.
brandon coleman
No.
andrew bishop
Well, last year we started in March with Canada.
brandon coleman
Yeah, Canada.
But that was like a month.
It didn't really count.
joe rogan
How long have you guys been together all told?
brandon coleman
We got, so Red Clay Strays got together in December 2016.
But before that, Drew was the manager of a cover band, and Andrew was the bass player in the cover band.
joe rogan
What were you guys covering?
andrew bishop
Everything.
brandon coleman
The good stuff.
drew nix
Just blues, just like really bad blues.
andrew bishop
Yeah, we used to run people out.
brandon coleman
The country.
joe rogan
How did you guys all get together?
brandon coleman
I met Drew through a mutual friend.
We were working out in the gym together.
I was in high school.
And Drew, this guy was like, hey, man, I got a buddy.
He's kind of down on his luck.
He's like squatting in my dorm and I want to give him something to do.
I want to give him something to do.
drew nix
I think I was down on my luck.
joe rogan
Nobody ever does, man.
Nobody ever does.
brandon coleman
I'm just repeating what I heard.
And yeah, so Drew never done anything like that.
He had never booked or wasn't, he was trying to be a middle school teacher football coach.
That's what he was going to college for.
drew nix
High middle school, high school, college.
brandon coleman
That was the goal.
unidentified
I know, but realistically.
drew nix
That's just where I was going to land.
10-4.
brandon coleman
Never done anything in the business, though.
And he just like, what did you say?
He's like, I'm going to do everything I can to help you make it.
And I was like 18.
He was like 22, 23.
And he had us play in in every single bar on the Gulf Coast.
And we didn't know anything about the business either.
So the manager booking agent fee is 15%.
We didn't know about that.
So we cut him in evenly.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
Yeah.
brandon coleman
And so he'd show up and drink beer at our shows.
And he'd always be at our practices.
And he was fully committed.
And so he got an even cut.
And he ended up turning his life around.
And he was able to scoot around and buy burgers and not be down on your luck anymore.
drew nix
Hallelujah.
brandon coleman
I think that's impressive.
Never done anything like that.
And you stepped up and became a legitimate booking agent and a legitimate manager.
drew nix
Yeah.
I mean, I just saw something I knew that was incredible.
And I was like, all right, well, what do I need to do to get this guy in front of people?
And I just, I would sit in, like, I work for the equipment staff at South Alabama.
And I would sit in the equipment room between washing jock straps and like, you know, setting up cone drills or whatever.
And just like put post-it notes up on the wall and just write numbers down and just call all these people until like somebody picked up or like, hey, like, what's the email for booking or whatever?
And I just booked as much as I could.
joe rogan
So it was basically just learning on the job, trying to figure it out as you go.
drew nix
Yeah.
joe rogan
No experience in it whatsoever.
drew nix
No.
joe rogan
Wow.
That's a cool story.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it was all just based on your talent.
unidentified
No, I mean, it was what you saw, right?
brandon coleman
Yeah, that night you met, the night, the night we met, the night I met you, yeah.
drew nix
Yeah.
I mean, like, the first time I heard you on a cell phone recording, I was like, eh.
andrew bishop
He's okay.
drew nix
And then I heard him in person, and I was like, oh, my God.
All right.
Okay, what needs to happen here?
And yeah, I had no idea.
I was just fully winging it, you know?
joe rogan
Wow.
Those are the best stories, though.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, the best stories are not started in some fucking boardroom somewhere where a bunch of guys sit down with headshots and demos and try to put people together.
The best stories happen just kind of like, what?
What were you doing?
Post-it notes.
You just called people?
Like, those are the best stories.
brandon coleman
We didn't even know how to set up music equipment.
Like, we would have our mains set up behind us, and so the microphones would be feeding back into the mains.
We didn't know what we were doing.
We just knew we wanted to play music.
So we'd show up to these bars and most of the time run people out and clear the room out because we didn't know how to play music that well either.
Guitar amps turned up and we would show up and just ruin people's evening and clear out a bar.
They're trying to watch a football game and we show up playing Almond Brothers and just our guitar players just always crank their amps.
We did have an old man drummer though.
That was the only thing about that band before Red Clay Strays.
So that was, you didn't have to worry about the drums being too loud, I guess, because he was just doing his thing.
He ended up quitting when we started traveling more.
And that's when we started holding auditions.
And we were going to audition this one guy.
And he couldn't make the audition.
We rescheduled him and he couldn't make the audition again.
And then we were like, how did we get in touch with John?
When would we audition him?
drew nix
There's Ethan, who was in Papa's Medicine Cabinet.
I reached out to him.
I was like, man, I know you play drums.
That was the best band in town at the time.
I was like, I know you play drums.
You probably know a good bit of drummers.
Like, you know anybody who could use some work?
And John was playing at a band called Ryan Dyer Band back home.
And he said, John, just, they just separated from that band.
So John's available.
You should get him for a tryout.
And I was like, hey, dude, you want to come play with us or whatever?
And he showed up, Blair and Skinner, with him and his brother and like an SUV or something.
brandon coleman
Yeah, we had.
drew nix
We're like, this is going to work.
brandon coleman
We had the auditions in Sichenel, Alabama, which is like up in the sticks.
And he didn't have a phone.
So he was like, meet me at the Hardys at like, you know, 6.30 or whatever time it was because we couldn't call him once he left his house.
And so Andrew left.
You were driving the firebraid at the time.
You left him in the firebird and met him and brought him back.
And we auditioned him then.
And the audition went great.
He showed up with his brother who played piano.
And his brother wasn't trying to join the band, but his brother just played with us.
And just the first song we played, we tried him out with an original that we were working on, which was a terrible song also.
But Andrew and John locked in immediately and just they hit all the pauses together.
And I just remember still being blown away by that, just how quickly y'all locked in.
And it still shows today on stage their chemistry.
They've got some kind of telekinetic thing going on, I think.
andrew bishop
The big thing was coming from that old man drummer.
And then that's the first time I've ever played with like a real drummer besides my own dad.
brandon coleman
His name was Ray.
andrew bishop
And me and John, I mean, we can, it's really weird how when we first started, like we can, we know a lot when we played in those bars, it was improvised.
You know, we're playing covers.
We're not even playing them the right way.
And we can hit those pauses without even looking at each other.
Like, we just know what each other's going to do.
So, as a bass player, your drummer is your best friend.
Even though me and John probably butt heads more than anybody in the band, but that's the relationship.
joe rogan
That is a big part of the problem with a band, is that you guys just get on each other's nerves, right?
andrew bishop
I mean, just like any other, I mean, we're just like brothers.
joe rogan
Well, it's a group of guys and you're traveling all year round.
andrew bishop
You'll get pissed off at each other for sure.
If a band says they don't get pissed off, they're lying.
Or they just don't like each other for real.
But you just, we just something we actually learned as men was how to talk about your feelings with each other, too.
Because in the early stages, it was, you know, I had anger issues.
I'd just get pissed off real quick.
joe rogan
Was it about the mustache?
andrew bishop
No, I didn't have the mustache yet.
Maybe that's what it was.
I was immature.
I was in.
brandon coleman
You had long hair.
andrew bishop
Yeah.
joe rogan
These guys had to learn how to communicate and set boundaries.
andrew bishop
I didn't talk about my feelings growing up as a kid.
Supposedly, that's not healthy.
joe rogan
No, that's not good.
andrew bishop
But John, you know, he would show up hammered to the bus.
And I just had to learn to just bite my tongue.
Like, you're not going to change somebody's mind.
Just let them go and talk about it tomorrow.
But we all had things we worked on together.
Stuff like that.
joe rogan
Well, the final product's amazing.
And the new album is really fucking good.
It's coming out in June of next year.
Is that when it's supposed to come out?
brandon coleman
We're shooting for summer of next year.
We don't really know yet.
joe rogan
The press thing that I got said June of next year.
I'm like, this should go out now.
andrew bishop
You're probably the only one that's supposed to know that.
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Well, everybody knows now.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
But, I mean, we're still working on mixes.
Hopefully, June is going to be the ticket.
joe rogan
Well, it's really good.
And the final product, you guys are very unique.
You have a very unique sound.
It's very fun.
So it's, you know, I know it's got to be a lot of work.
Whenever I do shows and I show up at a place, and you know, like if I do an arena, it's just me and my friends.
We just have to roll in there and hi.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I see you guys, you got fucking trucks and this and that.
And there's so many fucking people involved.
And it's.
brandon coleman
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
It's a lot.
There's a lot of moving pieces to keep together.
So for you guys to consistently do it and to bang out amazing music over and over and over again, it says something.
brandon coleman
Yeah, man.
And we just had to grow together.
I mean, even at that rehearsal, we were like, we got one more rehearsal.
We got one more tryout with the guy who flaked out on us.
And John was like, who is it?
I was like, Travis Patch.
And he was like, oh, you're going to hire Travis Patch.
But I think Travis Patch, he couldn't make the next tryout two or something.
And then that band played for a couple more months and broke up.
And then we hired Zach and just tried out Zach immediately.
He just came in shredding and he was always a great guitar player.
And then that's when we became Red Clay Strays.
joe rogan
Who came up with the name?
andrew bishop
My brother.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
andrew bishop
Yeah, it's not an interesting story at all.
We get asked all the time.
No, we were just in that first stage of like coming up with a band name is the hardest thing in the world.
And we had nothing really that we liked.
We had the Dirt Leg trio, Brandon Lane and the Hurricane.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
That's my middle name, Brandon Lane.
andrew bishop
And then he shot that over.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
And I didn't like Red Clay Strays.
I don't think any of us did.
joe rogan
Brandon Lane and the Hurricane sounds good, too.
I might have voted on that.
Yeah.
andrew bishop
Lendrew came up with that one.
joe rogan
I like that.
But Red Clay Strays is great too.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's good.
You have two great ones to choose from.
brandon coleman
If I need to start another band, I have it in the chamber.
unidentified
Well, I'm just kidding.
joe rogan
God, hopefully not.
It seems like once you got it all together and it's working, like, don't fuck that up.
brandon coleman
Yeah, man.
I don't understand why bands break up.
I don't get it.
joe rogan
I don't know how they can stay together.
andrew bishop
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, I just can't imagine.
brandon coleman
I've had so many.
Why do you say that?
joe rogan
Well, because of the internal conflicts, because of the traveling, because of the stress.
You know, it just seems like it's very difficult.
It's very difficult to manage all these different personalities and to keep everything rolling and keep all the people happy and make sure that everybody feels appreciated and everybody feels like they're doing their part.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
I think you got to have your mindset correct, man.
And for us, it's a God thing.
If you are just chasing worldly things, I guess, and worried about me and how I'm getting done wrong or how he's getting on my nerves.
And that's what dictates your decisions.
I can see you're going to walk away from that because people suck and people are always going to fail you at the end of the day.
But when you turn it into a, I'm not doing this for me, I'm doing this to fulfill my calling that God's giving me.
And then it becomes a selfless thing.
You know, he who is greatest among you, let him be your servant is what just always pops in my head.
So it's like, if I want to make this thing work, how can I serve these guys?
When we'd have to share a hotel room, we would all five of us be like, I'll sleep on the floor.
No, no, you're good.
You take the bed.
I'll sleep on the floor.
We'd have to fight over who gets the floor.
You know what I mean?
And then once it becomes a selfless thing instead of a selfish thing, you're not, I don't know.
And when everybody shares that mindset, we're all worried about one another.
I don't really see how you could break up.
joe rogan
Well, that's very unusual.
And that sounds fantastic because that's kind of the opposite of most rock and roll bands.
Like most rock and roll bands, it is all about, you know, the lead singer or the lead guitarist and who's the most famous, who gets the most chicks and who gets the most attention.
brandon coleman
Yeah, we don't care about it.
joe rogan
So where did this mindset start with you?
How did you guys develop this mindset?
Is that how you grew up?
brandon coleman
I grew up that way.
Yeah, my mother used to read us the Bible as children and stuff.
So we always grew up knowing about Jesus and everything.
And then, so that's pretty much what led me to make the leap, I guess.
You know what I mean?
I never had parents that were pushing me to go to college or pushing me to do something.
They were just like, have a relationship with God.
That's really the only thing that I got pushed by my parents.
And so I've always been blessed or cursed with kind of looking at all this as temporary.
You know, what's the point in it kind of thing?
You can't take any of it with you.
And there's nothing new under the sun.
It's all chasing wind.
What's the point in all this?
And so that really getting into, well, a creator created you.
He created all of this and he put you here for a reason.
Well, if that's the case, what's the reason?
Okay, if this is the reason, then here I go, God.
I'm going to do it.
I'm going to make the leap.
And I don't know how it's going to work out, but I'm just going to trust you, work hard and trust you.
And that's really all we've done.
There's no plan to it.
We get asked quite often, how do you make it?
And just work hard and trust God.
That's the only thing that I can ever think to answer with because the shows we've played and the doors we've walked through led to new opportunities, you know, many days, many months, many years down the road that we could have never planned.
And we've just been just, and then you can look back and acknowledge the stepping stones that he was placing the whole time.
And even if it doesn't make sense in the moment, you know, just being able to go back and look at, like, wow, I see why that happened now.
I see why we went through that.
I see that's just crazy to go back and look at.
joe rogan
That's very wise for a young person to think that way.
Like, how old do you know?
brandon coleman
29.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're very young.
And when you started, that's even younger.
Like, to be able to think that way at an early age, there's nothing new under the sun.
Like, what's my purpose?
My purpose is to serve.
My purpose is to do something with this gift that I've been given and to follow this path.
unidentified
It's very unusual.
brandon coleman
Cool.
joe rogan
I mean, it's great.
It's great.
It's a great example for people because it is a mindset, and that mindset will serve you so much better than the other mindset.
brandon coleman
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
The other mindset of chasing things is how you lead to Elvis on pills.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, it was my favorite Elvis.
brandon coleman
Yeah, dude.
andrew bishop
That was the fun Elvis.
brandon coleman
70s Elvis?
Karate?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I love the fake karate.
andrew bishop
Big Elvis.
joe rogan
Oh, there are all the people who play along with it.
brandon coleman
Would you have wanted to spar with Elvis?
unidentified
No.
brandon coleman
Come on.
joe rogan
I would have been nice to him.
Well, you had to lose.
brandon coleman
Yeah, he would have made you.
andrew bishop
I want to see Elvis or Steven Seagal do some stuff.
joe rogan
Well, Steven Seagal is legit at Aikido.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, he was like the first American to run a dojo in Japan.
andrew bishop
Dang.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was a legit, he was a legit Aikido practitioner.
Now, the benefits and the practicality of Aikido are hotly debated.
It's not really a great martial art as a standalone martial art.
It's really for samurais to fight against someone who has a sword.
So if you lose your sword in combat, you have to understand how to transfer the momentum of energy that someone's attacking you with a sword.
You have to be an expert at manipulating their attack and using it against them.
But as a standalone martial arts, not very effective.
andrew bishop
See, I thought he had some of those videos where he was like, he just touched somebody and they would fly across the room.
joe rogan
Not really.
He had videos where guys, it was demonstrations.
So guys would run at him with a very specific thing and he would flip them.
But he could fuck you up.
You know, if you didn't know what you're doing, but the problem is, if you knew what you're doing, you'd fuck him up.
Yeah, you know, but he's a big guy.
The thing about it is, it's just no one back then really knew what the best martial art was, so you chose one and you got really good at it.
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andrew bishop
And now the Dagestanis are taking over.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, that's grappling.
It's been around forever.
andrew bishop
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
Wrestling.
But what Elvis was doing was Kempo, Kempo Karate with Ed Parker.
And it's pretty clear that he took like some classes.
You know, like he throws kicks in the air and stuff, but it wasn't very good.
brandon coleman
He wasn't a black belt.
andrew bishop
Did he have a black belt?
joe rogan
Yeah, he had like a seventh degree or something crazy.
andrew bishop
He had the Elvis black belt.
unidentified
Yes, sir.
brandon coleman
See, I did martial arts in middle school.
I did Shotokan Karate, and I loved it.
And part of me wants to get back into it, but there's a whole Elvis thing.
andrew bishop
He'd never really leave it.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is Elvis.
brandon coleman
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
But by the way, back then, nobody knew what was legit and what was not legit, like these thrusts.
Like this, they're pretending they could hit him and he doesn't feel it.
One of the my flippers.
This is so crazy.
Like all this, this is just fucking nonsense.
andrew bishop
This is going to be branded on Halloween.
unidentified
This is fucking nonsense.
brandon coleman
Hey, dude, he was on top of the world.
joe rogan
He was.
Not only was he on top of the world, he was the first guy on top of the world.
That's really the important point is that he went crazy for sure, but everybody goes crazy when you get that famous.
And no one had ever been that famous before.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There was no guidebook for him to follow.
There was no Michael Jackson before him.
There was no Prince.
There was no nobody.
So it's just nobody can handle that kind of fame, especially in the 1970s.
brandon coleman
Nobody blew up at 19, I think.
joe rogan
Yeah.
No way you're going to be normal.
Good luck.
And then you got an evil manager that's feeding you pills and you're all fucked up and you're stuck in Vegas and he's gambling everything away.
brandon coleman
That's going to be my manager.
Dang.
We picked on Cody.
You just met him back there.
It's like, you're just going to end up being Colonel, bro.
One day.
andrew bishop
The snowman.
brandon coleman
No, we hold each other accountable.
joe rogan
Well, that's good.
Because at least now for famous people, there's a roadmap.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you can kind of see where the pitfalls are.
You can see, oh, that's Britney Spears Road.
Don't go down there.
You know what I mean?
Like you can see all the things that people have said.
andrew bishop
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Like you've seen all the different ways that you can ruin your life and get caught up in the moment.
And then also, the fact that you're very religious helps a lot because you don't believe the hype.
Right.
You believe in higher power.
You believe in something that's bigger and greater than all of us.
If you believe in that, you will not get caught in this bizarre mindset that befalls many, many stars where they think they're superior to everyone else because they get treated that way.
That's the reinforcement they get.
Everywhere they go, people are cheering when they see them.
People want them to sign things and take selfies with them.
Everybody wants a hug and everybody wants to be your best friend.
And you really start to believe because of the information that you're getting.
The information you're getting is I'm better than everybody else.
Right.
And if you don't have a lot of personal insight and if you're not very objective and introspective, you will buy into that and you'll start behaving and believing like that.
And then comes the pills.
brandon coleman
Yeah, dude.
andrew bishop
I think yourself back up.
I think that's where we benefit from like a solo act is that we have five five individuals that are going to check each other.
We always say the pack will correct.
joe rogan
Yes.
andrew bishop
So if somebody acting out, you know, we might let you go for a couple of days, but then you're going to wake up and we have a come to Jesus meeting.
You've done that.
All of us have had that at some point in our careers together.
joe rogan
That's great.
That's very good.
brandon coleman
We always, too, just think about what you were talking about.
We think we suck.
So like the feeding into the, I'm better than everybody, oh, I'm famous.
It's like, well, it's just probably downhill from here.
You know, people, they find new hobbies and new things to like, especially now, faster than ever.
People's attention spans are so short nowadays.
It's like, oh, yeah, they're forgetting.
We're on top right now.
Yeah, but they'll forget about us.
joe rogan
I think you're much better off being heavily critical of yourself.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
drew nix
Yeah.
brandon coleman
I think so too.
drew nix
I 100% agree.
Like, I don't ever want to be content with anything I'm doing.
Like, I always will have notes for myself.
Like, even after we have a solid show or something, I'm like, well, I just missed like 10 notes and it felt like a guitar hero in my head.
You know, when you're good.
And they start doing you.
That's what happens in my head.
Just like, get it together, man.
joe rogan
It's better that way.
I mean, that's going to force you to constantly work at it, constantly try to get better.
The people that believe that they're the best already, you know, where are you going to go from there?
andrew bishop
That's exactly how we think.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
unidentified
We get asked a lot at VIP, what was the moment you knew you made it?
brandon coleman
I was like, I don't want to make it.
What's after making it?
I don't want to just be there and make it.
joe rogan
Making it to me is like the film where the people hold hands and walk off in the sunset.
Well, that's a crock of shit.
You got to wake up in the morning.
Okay, what do you want for breakfast?
It's like life goes on.
And this idea that there's going to be a goal where you're going to get to a spot someday where you could rest, that's nonsense.
brandon coleman
That's when you die.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Take a day off every now and then.
Nothing wrong with that.
But this idea that you're going to get to a place where, well, I made it.
It's over.
andrew bishop
I'm sick.
brandon coleman
I'm sick for life.
andrew bishop
Yeah.
joe rogan
I did it.
That's all bullshit.
brandon coleman
Yep.
unidentified
And if you get really, really rich, you want to get really, really, really, really rich.
joe rogan
It never ends.
brandon coleman
Really?
joe rogan
If you think like that, yeah.
If that's the thought process of you're just chasing after goals and looking for this one moment where you can say, okay, we did it.
It's never happening.
brandon coleman
Yeah, I kind of, I say that to people too.
Just from the outside looking in, you think, like, if you've never done it before, man, it'd be cool to get a song and a show.
It'd be cool to get a platinum single.
It'd be cool to sell out Red Rocks.
And once you do it, it's like, okay, we did it.
Nothing changed.
It's like when your birthday comes, do you feel older?
You feel older?
No, feel the same.
It's here, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brandon coleman
So, I mean.
joe rogan
It's good to have goals.
It's good to have milestones.
But at the end of the day, I guess the process.
And the thing that you were talking about, like honoring this gift that you have, that's what it's all about.
That's what it's all about.
And then recognizing that you're in this very unique position and you're very fortunate.
And so because of that, you owe it to this gift that you've been given and you owe it to the people that love you, the people that come to see you, to keep doing your best.
brandon coleman
Well, we do stray to play on our name a little bit.
I think we do stray a little bit from the industry because our fan base is a lot of sad people, a lot of depressed people, a lot of people who, you know, were suicidal.
So, and we make music for that fan base, I guess.
And you're not going to hear that at like a country music festival on the beach.
joe rogan
How do you know that about your fans?
brandon coleman
We get messages every day.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
brandon coleman
Tons.
And sometimes they email our agents and stuff.
We had one lady who sent us an email saying she decided to off herself, take a lot of pills, and she wanted to go to sleep listening to music.
As she was laying there waiting to take the big nap, our song, I'm Still Fine, came on, and it kind of snapped her out of it a little bit.
And she started crying and immediately regretted it and got up and called her sister and told her sister what she had just did.
And they rushed her to the hospital and did whatever at the hospital for someone who takes a lot of pills at once and saved her life pretty much.
And yeah, it was so moving.
And that's what really makes it worth it for us because touring is a lot.
Touring sucks a lot of the times.
And if we were just doing it to be popular or to be famous or to be relevant, make money, I don't think that's enough to keep me going because being on the road is very hard.
What keeps us going is those stories and seeing how our music at the concert, seeing how our music affects people and helps them in a positive way.
And so, I don't know, that's just where we get our fulfillment from.
joe rogan
What do you think is about your music that appeals to people that aren't feeling good?
brandon coleman
A lot of it came from us not feeling good.
Drew and my brother Matthew are the main writers for the band.
And, you know, they just, our song Drowning, Drew wrote that during COVID when we were driving for Uber, trying to keep the bills paid.
My goal was to make $100 a day for Uber.
And driving for Uber and Mobile, Alabama sucks.
I'd have to do like 12, 14 hours a day to get that.
joe rogan
Most $100.
brandon coleman
Yeah, and then most of the time spent.
joe rogan
So that was just five years ago.
unidentified
Yeah.
brandon coleman
Wow.
Yeah.
And we were locally famous at the time.
So I was picking up people.
And they're like, oh, my God, Rick Lace Trees.
You know what I mean?
Get in.
andrew bishop
Hop in.
joe rogan
Really?
drew nix
I don't want to talk about it.
andrew bishop
Make sure to leave a tip.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
brandon coleman
I picked up like, and I was driving a Hyundai Sonata, and I had to, I picked up like five black dudes.
They wanted to get in the Hyundai Sonata to go to the Stripper Club.
And I was like, y'all can't, all five of y'all can't fit in here.
I can only take like four at the most.
So they had to leave one behind.
And I had to take them like 30 minutes across town.
That's how Mobile is.
Everything is like a 30-minute drive.
And so I took them 30 minutes across town to the Stripper Club.
There's some very interesting people at nighttime who get Ubers, just so you know.
joe rogan
I'm sure.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they probably want to talk to you.
brandon coleman
Sometimes.
The worst was people with bad BO.
joe rogan
Oh.
andrew bishop
Get in your car with bad BO?
And then leave it?
brandon coleman
I'm like a...
joe rogan
And leave that smell in your car?
unidentified
Yeah.
brandon coleman
I'm like a germ freak.
Are you really?
Sometimes, yeah.
And especially with smells.
I can't get like a fresh air.
I feel like I'm suffocating.
And this frat guy got in my car one time and he's something.
And he was going to Lowe's to get something for a beer pong table.
He was getting ready to have a frat party and I had to drive him to Lowe's.
And it smelled like he had never taken a shower.
And so I was just trying not to freak out.
unidentified
I was just like, yeah.
brandon coleman
Yeah, for sure.
And I was sweating by the time he got out of the car.
drew nix
Dry heaving up front.
andrew bishop
Driving 100 miles an hour to get him out the car.
brandon coleman
I'd pick some people up.
Oh, people just put too much faith in Uber drivers.
I'd pick up people from the hospital.
I picked up a blind lady from the hospital.
That's what they do if they don't have any family.
They'll call them.
They'll get them an Uber.
And I had to help this blind lady get into her house.
I picked up this one guy fresh out of surgery.
He couldn't walk.
I had to get him in my car.
And they got him a hotel, I guess.
So I had to take him to the hotel.
And I had to carry him out of my car and get him in his bed.
And I was just thinking, what if this wasn't me?
Right.
joe rogan
What if it was an 80-pound lady?
Yeah.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
Or just somebody who didn't even care.
Get out of my car.
That kind of blew my mind a little bit how much faith hospitals put in Uber drivers.
It's very sad.
joe rogan
Well, one thing I found out during COVID that it sounds so stupid that I didn't know this, but hospitals are private businesses.
I used to, this is how naive I was.
I was like, well, doctors, they go to universities.
They do it so that they can become the best doctor they can.
And then they work for these hospitals that are set up so that all the people in the city have medical care.
And this is like part of the city services.
I really believe that.
I really thought that.
And then I have some friends that are doctors and they would tell me, no, no, no.
Not only that, you're incentivized.
You're incentivized to push certain medications.
You're incentivized to do surgeries that maybe people don't need.
And you have to challenge your own ethics because you'll be talked into doing surgeries that this guy, you kind of could justify it, but really he shouldn't get it.
I'm like, oh, fuck, man, really?
And then, you know, I've had friends that left and started their own practices because of this because they tell you, like, you just, at the end of the day, like, why did I go to school?
Like, I thought I was going to school because I wanted to learn medicine because I thought that would be a really fascinating way to make a living and very rewarding.
You're helping people that are injured, that are sick.
And then he got just enlightened to like what the business really is.
And it's just about numbers.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
joe rogan
He got sick.
brandon coleman
Instagram reels will scare you too with all that stuff.
joe rogan
Oh, dude, I went down a rabbit hole last night.
Just sitting in my bed.
I shouldn't have done this.
It was like 9 o'clock.
There's no reason for me to look at dick lengthening videos.
andrew bishop
What?
joe rogan
It just popped up on Instagram, you know, in like the For You section.
brandon coleman
Yeah, dude.
andrew bishop
Stay away from that for you.
joe rogan
I didn't ask for it.
I don't know what happened.
andrew bishop
How many videos did you watch?
joe rogan
Oh, I watched a lot of them.
I watched hours worth of videos.
It's fucking horrific, man.
andrew bishop
Three inches of hidden penises.
joe rogan
It's not just that, man.
It's like they're, these guys are getting these things put in their dick so that the dicks are thicker.
Oh my God.
See, the thing about YouTube is YouTube, you want to see some videos?
andrew bishop
Yeah.
Might as well.
joe rogan
We're here.
So I'll pull up my history.
YouTube can actually.
So the thing is, this guy was like, go to my YouTube video and you can see the actual surgeries.
I'm like, no fucking way.
And yeah, fucking way.
So YouTube will actually show you the surgery.
We can't show any of this on camera, right, Jamie?
brandon coleman
I'm not going to.
andrew bishop
Like it's educational purposes.
joe rogan
These dudes are just digging.
They're just digging in dicks and it was just horrific.
All right.
andrew bishop
Once you get on that dark side of Instagram, usually it's when Brandon sends me reels.
Brandon always be finding himself on that bad part.
And then he sends it to me and then I'm 30 minutes deep into feeling uncomfortable with my life.
joe rogan
Yeah, why isn't it showing up in my.
jamie vernon
I don't really want to fuck up my algorithm by looking for that.
joe rogan
All right, we don't have to.
You guys can trust me.
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So this is what happened.
So I'm looking in the For You page and it was like, I saw this thing that said plus two inches and three inches of girth.
And it's this guy's got what looks like a like a flounder fillet and he's dipping it in this liquid and I'm like, what is that?
I'm like, is this guy operating on a dick?
Is this what's going on here?
So it's like this plastic sheet, this flexible stuff that looks like a fillet.
And he's like dunking it in this stuff.
I don't know what this liquid is.
It's like there's a dark liquid and a clear liquid.
And this guy's explaining he's going to have so much more confidence.
He's going to have so much more girth.
And I'm like, no fucking way.
You're getting your dick operated on.
This is crazy.
Like, if you have to get your dick operated on, like, okay, I got to do this.
I can't believe I got to do this.
I got a dick problem.
I got a dick cancer or something.
Like, the dick has to get fixed.
I got to get it fixed.
This is just regular dicks that people are like, I'm not happy with my dick.
I wish my dick was hard all the time.
And so one of the guys, like, his dick was like eight inches flaccid all the time because he had this fucking tube stuck in there.
unidentified
This fucking PVC pipe that they had stuffed into his hog.
joe rogan
And it's just, and so in YouTube, because it's medical, they could show you.
So the guy just drops his shorts.
I'm like, no, fuck that.
And this guy's got this franken penis.
And with like, by the way, he's got the head of a little dick, but the body of a giant dick.
So it's like, you know, like they, they took a guy who's like got a little tiny body and they popped his head off and put it on a bodybuilder's body.
unidentified
How do you deal with that on a daily basis?
joe rogan
Well, this fellow seems like he was getting a lot of play.
He was in the rainbow community.
And it seemed like he was just slinging that dick all over town and quite happy that it never got soft.
brandon coleman
Quite literally laying pipe.
unidentified
Yeah, literally.
joe rogan
Literally piping.
unidentified
Oh, Jesus, Jamie.
jamie vernon
Jamie means a banana.
unidentified
That's a banana.
Okay.
All right.
jamie vernon
They're showing how they do it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, this, what is this one?
jamie vernon
This is girth.
joe rogan
This is a fat injection.
And this guy was, he was dismissing fat injections, like fat injections are nonsense.
You need the plastic.
brandon coleman
I think I would pass out.
andrew bishop
You wouldn't even need to do a weight.
brandon coleman
Yeah, you wouldn't need anesthesia on me because I'd just pass out.
jamie vernon
Oh, that's our excuse.
joe rogan
And then one guy they installed.
Oh, that's legs too.
They break their legs while they're stretching out.
There's a guy that I've been watching.
What is it, Brian the Sasquatch?
That's his new Instagram.
The guy was already six feet tall, but he wanted to be six foot.
And he's a gigantic dude, like built like a brick shithouse.
And he got his legs stretched out like a year and a half ago, and he still hasn't recovered.
brandon coleman
Yeah, imagine not.
joe rogan
But your mechanics are all off.
So if you were an athlete and you were used to having the legs of a six-foot man and now your legs have grown six inches, like you're not going to be able to do it.
andrew bishop
Yeah, your arms aren't going to be proportionate either.
joe rogan
But he had very long arms, unusually long arms.
andrew bishop
So does it look proportionate?
joe rogan
Totally looks normal.
It looks like he's just a giant dude for him.
But for other people, yeah, it looks fucking weird.
This is the guy.
So this is him trying to jump ropes now.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
It's like he could barely walk.
But look at the size of this motherfucker.
So he's got kind of like, this is him now.
brandon coleman
His knees aren't even.
joe rogan
No, he's all messed up.
Like, that's why he's gotten knee braces on.
I'm sure his knees are super confused.
Like, he can barely walk.
brandon coleman
What are we doing to ourselves?
andrew bishop
I mean, do you think eventually you would get the strength in the right places?
joe rogan
Yes, eventually.
There's a guy.
We looked up this one guy who did it.
Remember that one guy who was running those athletic drills?
jamie vernon
Sprinting.
joe rogan
But he was doing sprinting and plyometrics.
Some people have to do it, but I don't think he gained six inches.
This guy gained like half a foot.
Look, they're going to get to the point where with CRISPR, they're just going to edit your genes and there's going to be no normal-looking people anymore.
Like all the interesting personality quirks that you have to develop because you got a weird chin.
Like all that shit's going to go away.
brandon coleman
It's getting weird, man.
drew nix
They're trying to get rid of Down syndrome.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, probably be a good idea.
andrew bishop
That wouldn't be terrible.
joe rogan
Listen, I mean, there's nothing wrong.
They're sweet people.
You know, my friend Shane, he's got family members that are Down syndrome and he loves them very dearly.
But if you could do that and they would be normal, functioning members of society, that would be a better thing.
brandon coleman
Just a better thing.
To delete that gene.
andrew bishop
Yeah, manipulate it.
joe rogan
They're going to be able to do that.
They're going to be able to do a lot of things.
andrew bishop
Then we're going to be birthing super babies once they like it all.
The things usually always seem like they start good and then they go really bad.
And then we're creating superhumans in the womb.
joe rogan
We're at the cusp of some really, really wild shit with AI and with genetic engineering.
brandon coleman
In China, I read something where they can like, they're trying to grow babies in an artificial womb now.
andrew bishop
See, that's where ethics gets a little weird because then you're playing, you're playing God then.
joe rogan
Well, there's something that happens.
There's communication between the mother and the child through the entire time.
So are you giving birth to a fucking sociopath?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
andrew bishop
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because this baby is not going to get any love, no oxytocin.
There's nothing from the mother.
There's no bond with the mother.
When the mother's stressed, the baby feels stressed.
brandon coleman
Some of the mother's brain, something from their brain, like goes into the baby.
joe rogan
100%.
There's a lot going on.
There's communication.
This is why the mother has to be up on her nutrients because the baby's taking nutrients from the mother.
And if the mother doesn't have enough, the baby is taking it from the mother.
So it's like an artificial womb.
It's like you're opening the door for Satan.
If you believe in that, if you want a soulless, bizarrely unempathetic person, what better way?
Maybe that's what no connection.
You know, that was what one of the things that happened to the Unibomber.
The Unibomber, I watched the Netflix documentary on him.
And one of the things that happened to him when he was young, he had some sort of a disease where he had to be separated from his mom.
And they put him in a hospital with no contact.
He had no for a prolonged period of time as a baby.
No one picked him up.
No one held him.
No nothing for a long, long time.
And then, as if that wasn't fucked up enough, they entered him into the Harvard LSD studies.
And then so he was in the Harvard LSD studies, and he was, they were, this is during the MK Ultra period.
So the MK Ultra period, they were doing all sorts of experiments with people through the CIA.
One of the things they were doing was a thing called Operation Midnight Climax, where they opened up brothels in San Francisco, and they would put two-way mirrors in, and they would dose these Johns up with LSD.
So the ladies of the night were actually working for the CIA, and they would go in here, have a drink.
And the guy would have a drink.
And then next thing you know, he's like, whoa.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
And they were just trying to experiment and see.
It was also a part of what the Charles Manson family was about.
And they were doing all kinds of shit with people where they're trying to figure out what can we do to humans if we can manipulate them with LSD.
And they did it to Kaczynski.
And we saw what happened with him.
andrew bishop
And Tuskegee, Alabama with the syphilis back in the day.
joe rogan
Well, that was even more evil.
andrew bishop
That was going to happen.
joe rogan
Yeah.
andrew bishop
Well, it's still like human experimenting without them knowing.
joe rogan
Yes.
andrew bishop
It's a very scary situation.
joe rogan
Well, it just goes back to what we were talking about with medicine.
That there are people that are willing to do things to people that are just entirely evil for profit, for whatever justification they can come up with.
brandon coleman
No value for human life.
joe rogan
None.
None.
And I think one of the problems with doctors, and my friend who's a doctor told me this, like, you just get numb when you see too many people die.
He's like, it's a very dangerous state of mind because you just see someone, you're like, well, he's going to die.
And then you go have a sandwich.
brandon coleman
We're getting numb as a society of seeing people die.
joe rogan
Well, the Charlie Kirk thing fucking opened up my eyes.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
joe rogan
I never expected so many people would celebrate that man's murder.
brandon coleman
That is evil.
joe rogan
It's bizarre, just bizarre.
Like normal people that I think think they're good people.
And they think they genuinely think that guy was a bad guy.
And I don't think they're right.
And I think they were indoctrinated.
And I don't agree with everything that Charlie Kirk said or did.
brandon coleman
I don't care if he was a bad guy or not.
joe rogan
He's not a bad guy.
brandon coleman
I don't want to see him.
I don't want to see anybody die.
joe rogan
First of all, he's fucking your age, right?
Yeah, he's a young guy, right?
And he would go around college campuses and have arguments with people or have discussions with people, have debates with people.
But it infuriated people because they felt like this guy is going against the progress that was being made in society.
But what he did not feel like was progress.
Like it was a progressive agenda that was being pushed in most college campuses.
It's a leftist, Marxist sort of agenda.
He didn't feel like that was the correct way to live.
And he felt like he had arguments against it.
And it was, you know, it's a business too, right?
Like he developed this big social media platform because of it.
And I, you know, I don't, like I said, I don't agree.
I don't think he, some of the things he said, he should have said.
But the fact that people were cheering when he died, normal people, housewives, moms, like fucking people working at banks, people working at various industries, celebrating a man getting shot in front of his kids in front of the whole world.
unidentified
That's evil.
joe rogan
What the fuck is wrong with us?
brandon coleman
Yeah, that's evil.
I don't know.
I think it really, it made me feel extra weird too because it was an innocent man.
I'll give some leniency, you know, maybe they're doing a public execution of like a mass murderer or a child rapist, you know, something like that.
But seeing an innocent man trying to have a conversation get shot in front of his kids and people celebrate that, it made me feel, made me feel a certain way.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was not justice.
But I think people are poisoned by social media.
I really, really firmly believe that.
I think social media has people completely twisted.
And I think a lot of what has people completely twisted is not even organic.
I think it's all on purpose that you're being manipulated by foreign governments, by bot farms, and by various elements, either in our government or other governments.
And they do it for their own agenda, for their own ends.
And it's dark.
brandon coleman
Well, there's a Proverbs verse.
I can't remember where it's at, but it's like, he who doesn't find me harms himself, and he who loves death hates me.
And that, you know, if you love God and you can't love death, you can't love somebody getting killed.
unidentified
Right.
brandon coleman
That's just, there's the line right there.
There's evil and good right there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brandon coleman
And so there's no justification for that.
And we actually, because we've always made a point in the band to not get political.
We don't care what your politics are.
We just come listen to our music and come have fun at our show.
We don't care.
Every one of us in the band, originally, we all have different views politically and religiously in some type of way.
But we managed to be brothers and, you know, be in a band together.
So I've just gotten, and I love a good political talk, but lately I've just been so jaded from it.
And I don't want to ever divide my fan base or anything.
You know, how you vote or how you believe is none of my business.
We are here to entertain you.
And so I've never want to use my platform to do that.
But we got so sick of seeing people put politics above humanity.
We actually, we had wrote a song about it in April in the studio called People Hating.
And that's, we wouldn't put it out as a single.
At first, we were going to do another song, but after the Charlie Kirk thing, it's just like, hey, we got together and we were like, I think we need to put people hating out instead for the first single because it's just, we've got to start.
We've got to stop killing each other over beliefs and stop hating each other over beliefs, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's fucking insane.
brandon coleman
Everybody's race is different.
Everybody's experiencing life different, and everybody's trying to figure it out the same as you are.
And it's just really weird now.
joe rogan
It's really weird, and it's celebrated to hate people.
And that's the weird part.
And most of us know that that's wrong.
And that's why, like, when this Charlie Kirk thing happens, there's a giant blowback.
And most people recognize, like, hey, as a collectively, as a society, this is not right.
Regardless of whoever that person is, whether that person's on the left or the right, they just got shot in front of the whole world.
It's not a thing to celebrate ever.
And especially when you're seeing people on the left that are supposed to be progressives, these are supposed to be the kind, compassionate, inclusive people that are celebrating gun violence, public execution.
Like, that's insane.
That's a public assassination.
That's insane.
brandon coleman
Yeah, I mean, you can't be for you can't be against guns and then celebrate when someone is killed by a gun.
joe rogan
Right.
Yeah.
No, it doesn't make any sense.
But that's that hypocrisy is just a symptom of where we find ourselves, where we're all just so many of us are confused because of the rhetoric online.
And again, a lot of that's not normal.
It's not organic.
It's not real.
It's not real people.
And it's not what you would ever get in real social circles of healthy people.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're only getting it through this very bizarre filter of just text on social media and videos where someone's just talking to the camera, celebrating on social media.
It's like, it's very strange.
brandon coleman
Most of the time you walk around because we travel all over the place.
And most of the time when you walk around, stop watching the news, get off your phone and just walk around in society.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brandon coleman
It's really, really not that bad.
joe rogan
It's not that bad.
And that is the key.
But most people are not going to get off their phone.
And that's what's fucked.
Most people are just fully hooked on that damn thing.
brandon coleman
You think it's weird now?
Wait till all these wait till all these iPhone babies grow up and all these tablet babies grow up.
You've seen the videos of them taking the tablets away and the babies are like freaking out having withdrawals and stuff.
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're being raised with it.
andrew bishop
Our generation was probably the last to not have.
I mean, we didn't have technology growing up.
We had dial-up internet and we didn't get that until I was, you know, I didn't have a smartphone till I was smart.
brandon coleman
I was 16.
joe rogan
We still have an Android.
brandon coleman
Yeah, dude, but that's better.
andrew bishop
All right, buddy.
joe rogan
Why are you an Android guy?
brandon coleman
I've always been an Android guy because I was, I'll give you some.
We didn't grow up rich.
andrew bishop
That's my argument.
Just to play around that.
brandon coleman
Yeah, we couldn't afford iPhones.
And neither.
I really didn't care.
I didn't even know what an iPhone was.
I just got whatever phone I could buy.
joe rogan
Just text people.
brandon coleman
My dad got me the, I mean, my parents got me the little sidekick and stuff.
So I've always been on the Android side.
And then when I started working as a teenager, I saved up and I bought my own smartphone from one of those cell phone shops in the strip mall.
And it's just, it's Android.
I never really got into the, I never cared, first of all, what phone people have.
It's you guys who pay attention.
joe rogan
I have both.
But it's a weird thing in our society where if a kid has an Android phone, they're looked down on.
brandon coleman
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
It's like something like 80 plus percent of kids have iPhones.
brandon coleman
Man, it was after a show one time.
It was after a show one time, a long time ago.
joe rogan
It's weird.
brandon coleman
And I was talking to this girl.
This was like way back in the day.
And she's like, yeah, maybe we'll get your number.
And then I pulled out my phone.
She's like, oh, you have an Android?
I just walked off.
Just walked off.
joe rogan
She didn't like you anymore?
brandon coleman
Green bubble?
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
brandon coleman
Yeah, that's weird.
joe rogan
Isn't that weird?
It's weird.
It's weird, but it's like, it just shows you how easy people fall into tribes.
You know?
andrew bishop
Over anything.
brandon coleman
What we were just talking about.
unidentified
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
andrew bishop
Even down to the phone.
If you have something different than somebody, they automatically don't like you.
When the iPhone babies, it can be politics.
It can be the dang phone in your pocket.
brandon coleman
When the iPhone babies grow up, they're going to be killing each other over phones.
andrew bishop
What about the Android babies?
brandon coleman
We just want to be left alone, man.
andrew bishop
See, this is the identity.
joe rogan
It's a Rebels phone.
andrew bishop
Oh, a Rebels' phone.
joe rogan
If you choose it, if you choose it, it's a Rebels' phone.
If it chooses you, it's like, one day I'm going to get a fucking iPhone.
Get out of this job.
I'm going to get a real job, and I'm going to get an iPhone.
But the people that choose it, they're the Rebels.
andrew bishop
I'm glad I married an iPhone user.
I'll tell you that.
I'm glad my wife has an iPhone and we can send cool emojis.
brandon coleman
See you say that.
I married an iPhone user, and I don't care if she has an iPhone.
You're glad that you married an iPhone user.
I don't care that I married an iPhone user.
I love her anyway.
joe rogan
It feels like you're trying to be superior over him now.
andrew bishop
Exactly.
joe rogan
By virtue of calling.
andrew bishop
Brandon's just like you.
joe rogan
Calling out your superiority conflict.
He's being superior.
andrew bishop
Yeah.
brandon coleman
Just can't win with these people.
andrew bishop
Yeah, now he's playing victim.
brandon coleman
He wants to say it's an American company, but they're made in China.
andrew bishop
Well, the owner, Tim, what's his name?
You don't even know him.
He is from where we are from.
I'm supporting a local.
Now, has he ever put an Apple store in Mobile, Alabama?
Absolutely not.
Do we deserve one?
Probably not.
brandon coleman
But it'll get robbed, dude.
unidentified
Yeah.
andrew bishop
Maybe the phone should be made in America one day.
joe rogan
Yeah.
andrew bishop
But American company?
joe rogan
Well, if they made an American.
I always said that if they made an American phone that had like a little American flag on the back, but it cost $200 more, I would buy it.
brandon coleman
Yeah, me too.
andrew bishop
Who do you think is going to make it?
joe rogan
Well, it would have to be a company that started.
The problem is that the goal of doing that is a long goal.
Like, you would have to develop the chips.
You'd have to have a plant.
Like, Samsung tried to put in a, they were putting a microchip plant in Texas, and they had giant issues because they weren't getting enough.
Like, so all of them don't meet their standards, you know, and a certain percentage of them weren't.
And it was a much lower standard than they needed.
And so it didn't work out.
And you're spending billions and billions of dollars to find out that you can't do it.
So in China, they've got that shit perfected.
They've been doing it for so long because we've relied on them for so long.
andrew bishop
Don't they have their own phone as well?
Oh, they have a lot of phones.
I forgot what it's called.
They have a special Chinese phone.
joe rogan
Well, Huawei, because they were banned here.
So Google and Apple wouldn't let them use their operating systems because it's basically a spy device.
But guess what?
So are all of them.
If you're hanging around with me, your fucking phone's bugged.
andrew bishop
Yeah, I don't know.
That's always been something that does not bother me personally.
I don't have anything to hide, first of all.
brandon coleman
What about your DMs?
The problem is that.
joe rogan
The problem is not you having something to hide.
The problem is no one should have access to your private information.
Whether or not it's bad, that shouldn't mean anything.
No one should have access.
andrew bishop
No, they should not.
joe rogan
Because it's an individual.
No individual should be able to look at your phone.
You can't look at theirs.
It's a power thing.
brandon coleman
And they're trolling.
andrew bishop
But you can guarantee the government's got everything.
joe rogan
Oh, it's not just the government.
It's foreign governments, especially if you're a controversial person.
Like, foreign governments, there's a thing called Pegasus 2.
All they need is your phone number.
That's all they need.
So if you're not using encrypted apps, all they need is your phone number.
And even if you are using encrypted apps, the government can get into those.
You know, when Tucker Carlson was trying to interview Putin, the government contacted him and said, we know you're trying to interview Putin.
We were looking into your signal app.
And he's like, what?
andrew bishop
Wow.
joe rogan
You can read my fucking signal app.
Yeah.
brandon coleman
So it's just like the government's saying, back off China, spying on Americans is our job.
joe rogan
Well, because of the Patriot Act and because of a lot of other things that they've passed in this country, a lot of it's legal.
They're allowed to.
They're allowed to spy on you.
andrew bishop
I think they can make it illegal and we still wouldn't know.
joe rogan
Well, it probably would be illegal, but it wouldn't matter.
They would find some sort of a fucking loophole.
Or they would pass some bill.
They'd stick it in some farm bill, something.
We think like, oh, this is good.
We're going to help the farmers.
And you look in there like, hey, what's this doing in there?
brandon coleman
Yeah, there's some stuff in the Big Beautiful bill where it's like they were trying to sell some national park land or something.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Yes.
They were trying to sell public land.
It was a part of the Big Beautiful bill.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I was one of the people that was trying very hard to try to get that out of there.
brandon coleman
I remember that.
joe rogan
It's fucking sick.
brandon coleman
I thought that was illegal.
joe rogan
It should be.
andrew bishop
Foreign countries.
joe rogan
It should be.
They're trying to change laws.
That's the thing.
Like foreign countries owning land around military bases.
That's crazy.
brandon coleman
That's weird, too.
andrew bishop
Where was, yeah, why is that happening?
joe rogan
You can't do that in China.
Meanwhile, China owns land around military bases.
Yeah, there's a lot of stupidity with our freedom, but that doesn't mean the government should be fucking spying on you.
The thing is, in other countries, they just are.
Like, in China, they just are.
And, you know, and the argument is, if we want to compete with China, we have to do what they're doing, which I think is insane.
andrew bishop
Aren't they about to start, or they already have the social point system?
joe rogan
Social credit score.
andrew bishop
Yeah, social credit score.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah.
So if you jaywalk and they get a photo of your face, so they have biometrics.
They get a photo of your face.
They know it's you.
Your thing gets dinged.
Now you can't buy a plane ticket.
unidentified
Yeah.
brandon coleman
Black mirror stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's just like that.
Well, they're passing that in the UK right now.
In the UK, you need a digital ID to combat, ready for it, illegal immigration.
Well, motherfucker, you let the illegal immigrants in on purpose.
Like you guys knew what you were doing, and now you're using it as a justification for digital ID.
andrew bishop
I just watched one this morning, actually, about it was a British judge.
A guy got sentenced.
joe rogan
I saw that, yeah.
andrew bishop
For however many years for a social media post.
joe rogan
20 months.
andrew bishop
20 months for a social media post.
It was about immigration.
It's getting weird.
joe rogan
Complaining about immigration.
andrew bishop
It's wild.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's wild.
It's crazy.
And, you know, it's the best way to control people, you know, and keep them at each other's throats.
Like bring in a bunch of people that the people that live there don't want there and let them duke it out and then start instituting tighter and tighter restrictions and control.
brandon coleman
Yeah, I see.
I see all that happening and it always makes me wonder.
I wonder how it's going to go down here because we are the different ones with the guns and stuff.
I wonder how far it's going to go here before something happens, something pops off.
joe rogan
They're going to try.
brandon coleman
Yeah, you know that.
joe rogan
They're going to try and they're going to keep trying.
They're going to continue to try and they're going to try to sneak it in.
And if it's not for independent journalists that call that shit out, we would be in real trouble.
It would have already happened.
It would already happen.
They were trying to institute a vaccine passport and the vaccine passport would be attached to a digital ID so that you would know.
But that digital ID would then be transferred to a social credit score.
And then they wanted to do a carbon tax.
So they want to do a thing that tracks your carbon.
So it tracks how many miles you drive, tracks your purchases.
So it tracks how much carbon you're contributing to in the environment.
It's crazy.
brandon coleman
And somehow paying more money will stop that.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, that's what we need to do.
You just need to tax people more.
Tax people more.
It's all going to come and make normal in the end.
It'll be perfect.
Utopia.
brandon coleman
Farmer with cows, you got to pay taxes on those cows because they're farting.
andrew bishop
Because they're farting.
joe rogan
Well, how about in other countries?
They're killing cows.
They're forcing them to kill cows because the cows are producing too much methane.
So they're saying you have to kill 2,000 cows, 1,000 food.
Yeah, so they control your food.
That's exactly what it is.
brandon coleman
I remember when all those chicken farms or chicken houses burnt down a couple years ago.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brandon coleman
That was really weird, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's real weird.
But the chickens, chicken houses do burn down.
What's also weird is they had to kill a bunch of chickens because some of these chickens had bird flu.
unidentified
Yeah.
brandon coleman
Well, hopefully that's true.
andrew bishop
There's livestock, Brandon, popping up dead too.
Bunch of cattle.
brandon coleman
That was a couple of years ago.
This one farmer posted a video, like all his cattle were just dead in the field.
And they said it was because of the heat or something.
But this farmer had just tons of dead cows just all of a sudden.
It was going on the same time as the chicken houses burning down.
So it could have just been, you know, news adding on to news kind of thing.
This is what's in right now.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
Maybe it's aliens.
brandon coleman
Yeah, maybe so.
joe rogan
Cattle mutilations.
brandon coleman
Well, the alien thing is just another interesting topic.
Like you see, I'll get random, there's random times where people are seeing all these crazy things in the sky, and it's like a big deal for a few days, and then you don't really talk about it anymore.
Did you see that one thing that lady was filming?
She was like, hi, do you know Jesus?
The wheels were like going crazy.
joe rogan
No, what is that?
brandon coleman
It's like a.
joe rogan
It's also hard to know what's real.
andrew bishop
Yeah, no.
joe rogan
You know?
brandon coleman
Yeah, see, and the interesting thing about that, though, is that somebody in the Bible described seeing something, one of the angels or something.
joe rogan
Ezekiel.
brandon coleman
Yeah, and the wheels on the wheel.
The wheel within a wheel.
That's what this thing was.
And she's like, do you know Jesus?
And then the wheels would just start spinning really, really fast.
I was like, whoa, man.
I hope that's real.
That's pretty cool.
joe rogan
Oh, man.
Is this it?
unidentified
Yeah.
andrew bishop
That looks like a rocket.
unidentified
My fingers don't work.
She zooms in on an orb and speaks to it.
joe rogan
She says, Jesus loves me.
She's definitely having an android.
unidentified
Look how funny she is.
andrew bishop
It's going to turn into the moon here in a second.
Watch.
joe rogan
Well, that's the thing.
If you zoom in on stuff, especially stuff through the atmosphere, things look very blurry.
Like if you zoom in on stars, they totally look like there's some sort of a fucking spaceship.
brandon coleman
Yeah, so it's a star.
When she says, do you know Jesus?
It starts like starts moving.
I think it's towards the end, but yeah, you get the idea.
joe rogan
It's just.
unidentified
That looks like kind of like a weather balloon.
andrew bishop
Maybe it's one of them Chinese spy balloons.
Way to play that, Let me hear her say it.
unidentified
Jesus loves me.
brandon coleman
Look, look, look, look.
Look.
unidentified
Oh, you know Jesus.
brandon coleman
You know Jesus.
unidentified
You know Jesus.
Jesus is awesome, isn't he?
brandon coleman
Yeah, Jesus rocks.
But if that is real, dude.
And that random lady's just filming that.
joe rogan
Well, that is the weirdness of the people that think that they can call these things in.
So there's a group of people that supposedly successfully, they sit out and they have this intention.
They go out into the desert in a clear night sky, and they have this intention to call these things in.
And they're all silently calling these things in.
And apparently, it's effective.
Occasionally, I don't know how often, but it's not zero.
Sometimes these things show up.
brandon coleman
He was that guy who was on Sean Ryan.
He's an old man, Chris something.
But people like celebrities go out to his land, and he's like, I can call these things on command.
They'll show up, and people go out to see it.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know about all that.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's hard.
brandon coleman
You should go to the house.
andrew bishop
You should go investigate.
joe rogan
I don't want to.
andrew bishop
People will trust what you say.
joe rogan
Yeah, but the problem is I don't know what I'm seeing.
brandon coleman
Well, don't tell anybody.
andrew bishop
Just go up for yourself.
joe rogan
The thing is, you don't know what you're seeing.
It could be a drone.
It could be anything.
It could be fucking Starlink.
andrew bishop
Do you have to pay to go do it?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
brandon coleman
I can't remember that guy's name's driving me crazy.
But yeah, he wrote a book called UFOs of God.
And I started listening to it, and I'm just terrible about reading books and stuff.
So I got like the first three chapters in, but it was really interesting.
He's worked with, NASA showed up at his house.
joe rogan
Here he is.
Chris Bledsoe.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
I watched his Sean Ryan, I think the guy's name is.
I watched his podcast.
It was an interesting lesson.
joe rogan
And so this guy, what does he think these things are?
brandon coleman
They're related with God somehow.
joe rogan
This is what Tucker believes.
brandon coleman
Yeah, I kind of believe it too.
joe rogan
A lot of people believe that these things are not from another world, that they've always been here.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they're a part of our world that just don't show themselves to us.
Does this guy have videos of these things?
Watch this with an open heart, okay?
Show me what you got.
Okay, something moving.
Oh.
andrew bishop
There's a lot.
joe rogan
Okay, what the fuck is that?
brandon coleman
I think you should go out there and take him out.
Just don't tell anybody.
joe rogan
That could be bugs.
unidentified
I see that if I look up in the sky in Austin all the time.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that thing moving across the sky, that is odd.
That's different.
That thing's very odd.
Because that's clearly moving.
andrew bishop
I mean, you see flashes.
joe rogan
But the thing is, it's like you're zooming in, right?
So you get distortion.
And so you don't know.
And see, it's going behind the cloud.
You don't know what that is.
jamie vernon
Have you ever seen the space station fly over?
joe rogan
Have you seen the space station fly over?
unidentified
Yeah.
andrew bishop
I've seen pictures of it before.
joe rogan
Does it look like that?
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's really slow moving.
Yeah, it's just a tiny bit.
brandon coleman
It's usually just one, though.
jamie vernon
Well, the rest of those, the rest of that stuff kind of looks like backyard.
joe rogan
That's the problem is that if you're zooming in on this thing, the stuff that flies in between that looks like it's moving really fast and flying across incredible space.
Yeah, that easily could be bugs.
jamie vernon
Yeah, those little things, especially if you're like.
joe rogan
But maybe not.
That's the problem.
andrew bishop
Interdimensional angelic beings.
joe rogan
Is that what he's calling them?
andrew bishop
That's what it says.
There's more.
joe rogan
I'd like to see some documentation.
My dad was wait till the end.
What happens at the end?
brandon coleman
It goes behind the cloud.
jamie vernon
Oh.
andrew bishop
They simply come when we ask in prayer.
Countless others were healed too.
brandon coleman
Joe, just go out there and see it, and don't tell anybody.
joe rogan
I don't want to waste my time.
I feel like if they want to show themselves, they should just go ahead and do it.
brandon coleman
I think they will eventually, maybe, if it's going to happen.
andrew bishop
Maybe a lot.
joe rogan
Maybe if things get real messy here.
andrew bishop
We'll find out.
brandon coleman
Isn't there verses about there will be signs in the sky?
I don't know.
joe rogan
Well, there's a lot of verses about the sky.
I've been into the book of Enoch over the last couple of years.
brandon coleman
Yeah, I was wanting to pull that up.
I was wanting to talk about that.
joe rogan
So Rep Lima came in here and she was explaining to me the book of Enoch, and I never really got into it.
She's like, you know, it could have been included in the Bible, and it was a part of the Dead Sea Scrolls.
brandon coleman
The first half was, right?
joe rogan
Well, the Book of Enoch is in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
brandon coleman
The whole book?
joe rogan
Yeah.
And at least part of it.
The problem with the book of the Dead Sea Scrolls, rather, is a lot of it has deteriorated and missing chunks and stuff.
The book of Isaiah is in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and it is identical word for word.
Wes Huff was explaining that to a version of it that was a thousand years older, which was the most recent version before they found the Dead Sea Scrolls in the 1940s, which is wild.
brandon coleman
That's the book that God predicts his own coming to earth and his own death and all that.
joe rogan
Well, the book of Enoch is the one that predicts, this is what talks about the watchers in the sky and that these gods made with humans and created the Nephilim.
That is bizarre.
I've listened to it twice now, and I keep going back over it and just rewinding and going, what are they saying?
Like, what were they trying to describe?
Because this sounds completely insane.
brandon coleman
When you get into like the, because isn't there like Egyptian stuff where there's like men coming down from space and like stargates, there's all sorts of weird shit.
That to me is just like fallen angels.
You know, it's all kind of lining up in some kind of way or another.
These whatever rebelled against God and came down here.
Men from the sky came down here and were pretty much posing as gods and demanding people worship them.
And isn't Enoch where they teach them about money and teach them about sorcery and sorcery and agriculture and metallurgy.
joe rogan
There's all sorts of like weird they talk about incantations and then like how to get out of incantations if one gets put on you.
brandon coleman
It's like and you got to think this is pre-Jesus and so God is separated from man.
So we're just walking around as people like not knowing what's going on and these things come down and they're boring giants and stuff.
It's like, you know, I'd probably think it's a God too, for God's sakes, you know, because there wasn't, was the Jews even a thing when the book of Enoch was written?
joe rogan
Sure.
Yeah.
It was.
brandon coleman
Were God's chosen people?
joe rogan
The people that argued over whether or not the book of Enoch should be included in the canon were rabbis.
andrew bishop
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's all so confusing.
andrew bishop
Is there any explanation of why it would be left out?
joe rogan
Well, they felt like it didn't jive with the Torah.
I think that's the reason why it was left out.
brandon coleman
Well, I mean, when I say that, like, at one point, the Jews were God's chosen people as like they knew the God, the I am, the one true God.
But the rest of the world didn't really know what was going on.
And so they were worshiping other gods.
And so, like, aside from the Jews, the rest of humanity seeing these things walking around, it's like, I'm sure they would think that's a God.
You know, I'm sure they would worship that.
What else do they have to believe?
joe rogan
Well, if something did come and visit ancient humans, I'm in the middle of this Richard Dolan book, and it's a very interesting book on UFOs.
And Richard Dolan, who's a very like objective, scientifically-minded author, one of the things he's talking about is this gene expression.
It's a deallele that started this gene, it was introduced through breeding.
So one of the things that we know is that it came into the human population somewhere around 40,000 years ago.
And that this, all geneticists agree that this was introduced through cross-breeding.
So the idea was, was it introduced by Neanderthals?
Was it introduced by Denisovans?
Like, what type of human?
Well, the problem is they don't find that gene expression in any other ancient human.
Like, they don't find it in Neanderthals.
They don't find it.
But they do find it in Asia.
Like in Mongolia, most people have it.
The rest of the world, it's like 70% of the people have it, and they think it's responsible for creativity.
They think it's responsible for this giant change in the artwork that people start producing around 40,000 years ago.
And his assertion or his question, the hypothesis, is that it was introduced by some other species.
And this is also part of what is talked about not just in the book of Enoch, but also in the Sumerian text.
They talk about what happened that created human beings.
And so what he's talking about is this one woman that was an academic, I forget her name, but she wrote these books about it where she believes that human beings are some sort of a hybrid species and that we were genetically manipulated to be what we are now.
brandon coleman
And I think going back to the flood, because like every other religion has some type of evidence of a great flood, correct?
So at one point or another, if God's creation did get corrupt, that was pretty much the great reset of I've got to, he had to get rid of all that that he didn't create.
And I forgot where I was going with that, but yeah.
joe rogan
Well, they do all have a flood myth.
And now because of the Younger Dryas impact theory, we know that there most likely was massive floods all over the earth somewhere around 11,800 years ago.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
And I just think about stuff like that when they find this skull that they can't link anything to or find stuff that doesn't, they can't link anything to.
It's like, we don't really know what happened a long time ago.
We can pretend that we did, but I personally believe there was an advanced civilization way back in the day before all that.
joe rogan
There's a lot of evidence that points to that.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There was also new evidence that just emerged out of China.
They found a Homo sapien skull that's 1 million years old.
andrew bishop
Well, it's China.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it doesn't matter.
It's still, it's an actual Homo sapien skull that was carbon dated to a million years old.
So that predates what we thought of as the emergence of Homo sapiens by 500,000 years.
And that's just what we found, right?
They might find another one six months from now that's 2 million years old.
So like they don't really know.
We're piecing things together.
We're piecing the past together with a very limited amount of information, very limited evidence.
And evidence of fossils, it's very difficult to make a fossil.
Most fossils, they just don't, they don't happen.
The animals eat the bones, the bones deteriorate in the sun.
There's a very specific set of circumstances that has to happen for something to be fossilized.
brandon coleman
Haven't they found some fossils with like grass still in their mouths?
And so they were wondering how could they found some type of evidence of fossils where it seems like this animal was fossilized instantly.
joe rogan
Yes.
Well, not even fossilized, just preserved instantly.
Like this is woolly mammoths.
There's quite a few of them.
Yeah, they think a lot of that was what happened during the impact.
So Randall Carlson talks about this quite a bit.
There's multiple places on Earth where there's a large number of animals that seem to have died instantaneously.
And weirdly, like with broken legs, like broken mammoth legs, like over a large field of them, thousands of them there.
Like what happened?
Like some sort of an event must have happened where they were wiped out or the ones that were in this area were wiped out instantaneously.
And he thinks it's probably some sort of a collision.
andrew bishop
Like a mass, well, it's a mass casualty of some sort.
unidentified
Yeah.
andrew bishop
I mean, what else can cause that?
joe rogan
Well, not only that, 65%, something like that, of all North American megafauna died off at the exact same time.
All of it around that same Younger Dryas Impact Theory time between 11,800 years ago and 10,000 years ago.
Everything.
Woolly mammoth, African lion, African cheetah.
There was all sorts of giant sloths, all sorts of weird animals that all died off in America around the exact same time that they think this flood happened.
And it used to be just complete speculation, but now they find core samples where they're finding iridium that indicates iridium is very common in space and very rare on Earth.
So when they find a layer of iridium, it indicates there's some sort of an impact.
andrew bishop
Of course.
brandon coleman
Interesting.
joe rogan
It's wild shit, man, because it could happen to us at any moment.
You know, there's this guy, Avi Loeb, who's a professor out of Harvard, who is saying that some of these objects that we're seeing in space, they're moving in very bizarre ways.
They're enormous.
They have much more mass and much more speed.
They're interstellar objects, and he's speculating whether or not they're alien.
andrew bishop
I got one passing by pretty soon, right?
I've been following that one a lot.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is one of the ones he's talking about.
andrew bishop
They think it's a spaceship.
joe rogan
They think it's something.
You know, whatever it is.
andrew bishop
For it to come outside of our solar system on this path is just very bizarre.
joe rogan
Very bizarre, but other astronomers say, yeah, but it just might be unique.
Like, there's a lot of stuff in space they're finding through the James Webb telescope that they didn't understand.
So they had this idea of the universe being 13.7 or whatever it is, billion years old.
But now they're finding these galaxies that were formed far too quickly, like after the Big Bang.
And so now they're starting to say, well, this might be an indication that it's quite a bit older and that maybe it's not 13, maybe the Big Bang is not 13.7 billion years, but that's just as far back as we can look.
And as they get better and better equipment and better and better ways of looking, they'll be able to find more evidence and more information that gives them more questions and less answers.
It's really weird.
It's like there's a quote by Dennis McKenna, and he said that once the bonfire of knowledge expands, the surface layer of ignorance is exposed.
More of a surface layer of ignorance.
So the more you see and the more you learn, the more you realize, oh, I don't know shit.
And that's what they're kind of finding out about space.
It's like they know a lot, but they don't know a lot in comparison to what's out there.
andrew bishop
More questions pop up than answers.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, it's fucking.
brandon coleman
This is wild, too, how much of that we were taught in school is like fact.
And then you grow up and be like, wait a minute, we don't really know what's going on.
andrew bishop
I didn't even know there was dwarf planets in our solar system.
There's planets that aren't like regular planets, but I didn't learn about those.
drew nix
I might have learned that three years ago.
andrew bishop
It's pretty wild to think that they're that they're there and we never learned about them.
joe rogan
Well, there's also a speculation there's something big that's outside of the Kuiper Belt.
There's like some other planet that it might even be a dwarf star or what is it called?
I forget what they're called, a brown dwarf, but that we might have a binary star system and that the star might have died off and it's like in a far outside of our own sun outside of that orbit.
andrew bishop
Wow.
joe rogan
So there's something, there's this thing called the Kuiper Belt that's outside of Pluto and it's a belt of objects.
And that's one of the reasons why Pluto got declassified as a planet because it is a little too small to be a planet.
And it seems like there's a lot of these objects out there.
And then they found a couple more and they're saying, okay, it's not a planet, but there seems to be a drop-off after that, which indicates something that is of a large mass exists.
andrew bishop
Interesting.
joe rogan
But it's a little too far for us to be able to look at right now.
So it's a lot of just speculation.
What was that one paper that we looked at once that they had documented a planet out there they were calling Planet X?
andrew bishop
But it's like...
Was it like an Earth-like.
joe rogan
They don't know what it is.
I mean, this is all, this is the fucking Sumerian tech stuff, too, because they talk about this planet called Nibiru that comes within an elliptical orbit every 3,600 years and fucks things up.
And that's where the Anunnaki live.
They come visit us.
This is this guy, Zachariah Sitchin.
It's fascinating stuff.
It's so fun.
It's so fun, but might be full of shit.
In fact, there's a whole website called sitchiniswrong.com that refutes it, but I'm too dumb to know who's right and who's wrong.
andrew bishop
It's still interesting to talk about and theorize, you know?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Well, the Sumerians had a detailed map of the solar system 6,000 years ago, bizarrely, with the sun in the center and all the planets that we know of in the relative size and the relative order.
Like the ones that are the right, not exactly the right size because they're so fucking huge, but the bigger ones are in the bigger place.
And it shows this map of the solar system on this clay tablet from 9,000 or 6,000 years ago.
Like, how did they know that?
brandon coleman
Yeah.
It goes back to the advanced civilization, man.
I don't know.
andrew bishop
How advanced do you think?
brandon coleman
I think it was a different type of advance, like, not power lines and stuff like that.
I think they honed into natural energy from the Earth.
Like, I heard something about the pyramids may have been, like, some type of a power plant because they just found where those pillars go down in the ground so long.
joe rogan
That stuff's wild.
That stuff's wild.
This dude, Ben Van Kirkwick, and they've used that same technology to find this enormous labyrinth that existed, but that was also documented historically.
Herodotus talked about it, and different historians have talked about it.
This labyrinth that's even more impressive than the pyramids underground.
And inside, so using this technology, they've found this 40-meter, it's 40-meter, this metallic.
They don't know what kind of metal it is, but there's a metallic tic-tac-shaped object that's 40 meters long at the center of this labyrinth.
So they built a dam in the 1960s to help the farmers out, and the dam unfortunately fucked up the water table.
So this labyrinth is now flooded.
So you can't get in it unless they do something to change the water and change how the water is channeled or build a tunnel inside of it.
But the water table has made it impossible to get into it without doing that.
But this thing, because of this tomography, this ground-penetrating radar, they know that there's an enormous metallic object from thousands and thousands of years ago that's 40 meters long.
andrew bishop
Are they actively trying to figure it out, like get in there?
joe rogan
There are researchers that are, but the problem is there's a lot of resistance from the Egyptian government.
andrew bishop
I figured.
joe rogan
Yeah, they don't want, they don't want any monkey wrench in the timeline that they've been teaching forever.
brandon coleman
Yeah, I've seen one article.
They just discovered some ancient city, and it was like a they discovered something.
It was related to Christianity.
Like they discovered something, Christ is king.
But long story short, the whole entire project just got shut down and they passed a law you can't dig there for like 20 years.
joe rogan
I think you're talking about Gobekli Tepe.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
joe rogan
Gobekli Tepe.
Yeah, Gobekli Tepe, which is in Turkey.
They found that by accident.
It was a farmer.
A farmer was, I think it was a sheepherder, actually.
He found some stone that was in the ground.
He's like kicked at it and cleaned it off a little bit and then realized it had a right angle to it.
It's like, what the hell is this?
And he dug a little deeper and then they called in the archaeologist.
They said, hey, we got something here.
And then they discovered that there's these concentric circles and these huge stone columns and 3D animals.
And they've only uncovered 5% of it so far.
And they kind of stopped digging because they get an enormous amount of tourist revenue where people are going to want to come to the site and they didn't want to fuck that up.
And, you know, there's a lot of weirdness when you let these governments decide what can and can't be explored.
Because through ground-penetrating radar, they realize that this site, even though they've only excavated 5% of it, is one of many, many sites that are in that area.
And the age of it is really fascinating because this was intentionally covered somewhere around 11,000 years ago.
So that means that someone decided to cover this all up with dirt 11,000 years ago, which means they don't even know how old it is.
It could be 2,000, 3,000 years older than that.
They don't know.
brandon coleman
And it's just weird to just stop finding that out.
joe rogan
Well, they're getting a lot of pressure now, so they might start opening up the excavation of it.
And they did a lot of stupid shit, like they covered it with olive trees for some reason.
Yeah.
Like, I think because olive trees are protected, so if they covered it with olive trees, you couldn't dig into the ground.
You couldn't remove the olive trees.
It was like a way to stop people from looking around.
andrew bishop
Interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah, but now they realize that the olive trees, the roots are actually destroying the artifacts that are underneath.
So now they're pulling the olive trees.
And there's discussions about continuing the excavations.
brandon coleman
I got off on a giant kick one time reading about the mountain.
And it's like anytime the Smithsonian got involved, it was just shut down.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The giant stuff is weird because there's a lot of documentation of people finding giants, like enormous 10, 15 foot tall humans.
And then there's also the Nephilim in the Bible that are giants that consumed everything.
David and Goliath, there's giants in the Bible.
And it makes you think, like, okay, is it a giant like the mountain from the Game of Thrones?
You know, like, maybe.
andrew bishop
Because people were shorter relatively back then.
joe rogan
Right, but probably some people weren't.
andrew bishop
Yeah.
joe rogan
If they lived in some places where they had more resources and better genes.
andrew bishop
Pituitary gland problems, you know, where you have guys 7'11 plus, you know.
joe rogan
Yeah, but this seems different.
The giants in the Bible and the giants in historical accounts, it seems different.
It seems like it's a totally different species of human.
And again, if we just found this guy recently that's a million years old, and now we know.
So forever they were saying that human beings, I mean, the timeline used to be Homo sapiens emerged 50,000 years ago, and then they moved it to 150,000, then they moved it to 250, 300.
It is as they find more information.
Now they have to push it to a million.
And if one day they find a fucking head as big as this table, like what do they do?
What do they do about that?
Do they even tell us?
unidentified
I don't think they're doing it.
andrew bishop
I don't think they're going to be able to do that.
joe rogan
But why wouldn't they?
That's what's weird.
Like, why wouldn't they?
Isn't that crazy?
But we all agree.
We all agree that if they did find a giant, they probably wouldn't tell us.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
andrew bishop
Not until they did their own, you know, figured it out for themselves or tested on what they know.
joe rogan
Well, if they want people to know, but I don't know why they wouldn't want people to know.
Like, why am I convinced that they would hide that?
brandon coleman
Well, if there is Antichrist on his way and his goal, he already knows he lost.
So his goal at this point is just to destroy as much as possible, you know, get as many souls as possible.
And finding stuff like that that would prove the Bible more true would turn more people to Christianity or to God, the one true God, then I could see where if there is like some type of spiritual force that is in somewhat control, then I could see that's the only way I can make sense of it.
It's like, why cover up progress?
Why not tell people the truth?
joe rogan
Well, I think it's ego, and that might be also related to good and evil in a lot of ways.
brandon coleman
Loving yourself and not you're supposed to love God over yourself.
joe rogan
Right.
And being the person that has the knowledge and the person that distributes that knowledge and is the gatekeeper of it is a very intoxicating thing for a lot of these academics.
And if all of a sudden something comes along, and this is the speculation about what happened with the Smithsonian, that they took that stuff and just fucking tucked it away.
andrew bishop
I would think they would steamer bones.
They would want to have, you know, secretly do their own tests without anybody knowing about it.
joe rogan
I know, but to what end?
At one point in time.
andrew bishop
Before everybody else knows, they would already have the answers.
I don't know.
joe rogan
But wouldn't there be a time where someone would want to be the guy who discovered it all and get all the credit for it?
Like, that's why it doesn't make sense.
brandon coleman
To me, if somebody knows God, it is freeing in a lot of ways.
And you realize that no government is above you or no man is above you.
God is above you and you serve God.
And if you can keep people away from God, you're that much more susceptible to being a slave to something else.
Yeah, like whatever.
drew nix
Whatever evidence or anything that kind of proves that God exists.
brandon coleman
Yeah, anything that's going to prove God's existence, I think that's going to be the main thing they shut down.
joe rogan
Right, right.
Like the Shroud of Turin is an excellent example.
andrew bishop
Yeah, that one's an interesting.
joe rogan
That's a weird one, man.
That's a weird one.
There's a lot of people that go out of their way to try to disprove it.
But when you get into the dating of the cloth, so it used to be they were saying that it was only a few hundred years old, but now they're saying that the way the cloth is made, the cloth is made that's exactly consistent with the time that Jesus was alive, and that more tests need to be done to find out the exact age of it.
Because the problem is like you don't know what piece they studied, and you're not studying the entire thing.
And also the image of it is bizarre because the image of it, you really only see Jesus when it's a negative of it.
And they don't know how that image was put on there.
It wasn't stained.
It wasn't burned on there.
They don't know what caused it.
andrew bishop
It's like a blast of radiation.
joe rogan
Yes, right.
brandon coleman
Somebody recreated it with gamma radiation, I think.
But the only problem, so it would just be, it would need to be an extreme source of light to do that.
But the only problem is that would have vaporized, the heat from the light would have vaporized it realistically.
So they're wondering, well, if light did do it, how was there no heat?
joe rogan
Right.
brandon coleman
So if Christ did raise and pass through it, there's also X-ray images in the Shroud, apparently.
joe rogan
Well, when you see the Shroud in negative, like Jamie, pull up an image of it.
It's very strange.
Like, it shows the lash marks on his body.
It shows his facial features.
It shows the holes where his wrist is, where he was crucified.
It's very strange stuff.
Because for someone to do that as a hoax and to just not paint it, just to do it in some very weird go to that.
Yeah, that one right here where your cursor make that big.
jamie vernon
They recently said it's fake.
joe rogan
They've recently said it's fake.
brandon coleman
They go back and forth on it.
joe rogan
The thing is, like, who is the person who's they?
jamie vernon
Right?
andrew bishop
The Catholic Church is who.
joe rogan
What's that, Jamie?
jamie vernon
Says they've been debunking it for 650 years.
joe rogan
Well, 650 years ago, they didn't even have carbon dating.
So what were they doing to debunk it back then?
There's a bunch of people that want to debunk it.
jamie vernon
This is a documentary.
What does it say?
joe rogan
A document?
jamie vernon
Well, they were talking about, I mean, I don't know.
joe rogan
Well, they talked about it being bullshit.
jamie vernon
Yeah, I've always said that.
joe rogan
The thing is, people, I'm sure, called it and called bullshit on it a long time ago.
unidentified
People have talked about ways that some of that stuff could have been done.
joe rogan
Sure, but how would someone figure out that 500, 1,000, 2,000 years ago, whatever it is?
jamie vernon
It could have been 300, 200, 150 years ago.
Sure.
60 years ago.
joe rogan
Well, it's 650 years.
If they've been debunking it for 650 years, you've got to assume it's at least 650 years old.
So the thing is, like, see, it's been dated between 1355 and 1382.
jamie vernon
The text was the document.
joe rogan
The text.
What text?
jamie vernon
That we're talking about here, not the shroud.
joe rogan
What is the text about?
Medieval documents revealed that the authenticity of the shroud that many believe wrapped and crucified was being called into question perhaps as early as 1355.
Okay, well, that means that it existed 1355.
Yeah.
Description, depictions by clergymen.
See, it's deceptions.
Oh, excuse me.
Deceptions by clergymen.
His writings now considered the oldest written rejection of the relic predate the previous earliest documented criticism by the bishop of Troyes, Pierre d'Arsis, in 1389.
So either way, we know it's at least 600 plus years old, and we know that the way that it was put on there was not stained, it was not painted.
It's very strange.
And if you look at it like that, they didn't even know that until they came up with photography, until they could take an image of it and make it a negative, they didn't see the face of Jesus and all the depictions.
It's like this image right here is like you look at that, the Shroud of Turin, like, yeah, I could say call bullshit, whatever.
But then you see the negative, I go back to those other images.
So this is what it looks like when you run it through when you use modern photography and turn it into a negative.
That's really weird that this wasn't, that they didn't know about this in the 1300s.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
A new study says it's something else.
So they're going to have studies forever that debunk it.
And one thing that academics love to do, they love to call everybody retarded.
Everybody's an idiot.
This is all fake.
This is bullshit.
But whatever that is, man, when you're just go back to the negative ones, the one that you just had, the one down, yeah, that one, please.
That's weird as fuck to me, man.
It's weird as fuck that it didn't, you couldn't see it normally, and you only see it when they make a negative of it.
That is so strange that someone would go out of their way to fake something in that way where it only exists in a negative.
brandon coleman
And they don't even know how it happened.
joe rogan
Right, exactly.
They don't know how to happen.
I mean, they're saying they could reproduce it today, but I don't think anybody has.
And also, how are you going to reproduce it to such an extent with so much detail that matches the biblical depiction of the crucifixion?
brandon coleman
Yeah.
joe rogan
Including the holes in the wrist, the lash marks on his back, the wound in his side.
It's all really weird.
At the very least, it's fascinating.
The very least, it's fascinating.
I mean, it's really interesting stuff.
brandon coleman
To me, seeing that, I really don't even care how old people think it is.
Figure out how they did that first.
To me, it's like if this is.
joe rogan
Not only that, how'd they do that 600 fucking years ago or 2,000 years ago or whatever, really, whatever age it actually is?
brandon coleman
I've seen one article last year where they found dirt particles that matched, you know, they traced back to Jerusalem.
So it's like I say, they've been debunking it and saying it's authentic and debunking it, it seems like for the last five or ten years now.
joe rogan
Oh, it's a very weird stuff.
brandon coleman
It's just where are we at right now with it?
joe rogan
That one church in Ethiopia that's supposed to have the Ark of the Covenant there.
And all the people that guard it, they all get cataracts and they wind up dying of radiation.
You ever heard of that?
brandon coleman
I don't know about that because the Ark of the Covenant was when God the Father's presence was here on earth, not through Jesus.
Old Testament, the I am was down here, and that's what he resided in.
And you had to do all these things to be in his presence or you would literally just die because he's holy.
And to me, it's like lightness and dark cannot exist in the same place.
So you whatever.
But God the Father's presence isn't there anymore.
So I don't understand why it would still be messing people up.
joe rogan
But we don't know what they were writing down.
The problem with all of ancient, all ancient religious texts, let's assuming there was real events.
The problem is a lot of these things were told as an oral tradition for 100, 500, 1,000 years before they were ever even written down.
And then they write them down.
They write them down in Aramaic.
They write them down in Hebrew.
And then they have to translate it.
And they translate it to Greek and Latin and eventually English.
You're missing a lot along the way.
When I read these things, when I read the Bible or if I read the book of Enoch or any of these ancient texts, I'm always trying to say, okay, what were they trying to document?
Like, what was the original event?
Like, what actually happened?
And the problem is, people are really bad at telling the truth.
Like, human beings, when they see something fantastic, they always add their own little flavor to it.
People add their own little thing to it.
If they are of a certain belief, they're going to attach that belief to whatever this thing was.
So it's no question that these people held whatever that was in such high regard, and it meant so much to them that they, like, like the book of Isaiah, where it's verbatim, that they wrote it verbatim for a thousand years.
Back when they started out, they were writing things down on animal skins.
That's one of the things about the Dead Sea Scrolls that's so fascinating is they had to do genetic testing.
So they're writing these things down on these animal skins, and they had to make sure that the skin of this one is the same cow as the skin of this one.
So if they do genetic testing to make sure it's the same cow skin, it's okay.
We got all the skin from this cow, and it's in this group of texts.
So start decoding it.
andrew bishop
That's an interesting way of doing it.
That's wild.
unidentified
It's wild.
andrew bishop
I would have never thought of that.
brandon coleman
Like Wes Huff said, how they used to write things.
Like they'd leave stuff out back then because it wasn't required back then.
They would just write down the basics.
I watched that Wes Huff thing and that was very interesting.
joe rogan
Very.
He's fascinating.
drew nix
He's brilliant, man.
I watched a bunch of stuff on him.
joe rogan
Very, very brilliant.
But it's also, again, what were they trying to document?
It's clearly something was going on back then.
Something happened.
brandon coleman
Did you ever read that story?
It was somewhere in the Bible.
I can't remember where.
It's in the Old Testament.
Somebody stole the Ark.
Well, some tribe stole the Ark.
And the next day, the next morning, everybody was dead from stealing the Ark.
And they pretty much said, hey, come get this thing, take it back.
We don't want it.
joe rogan
Well, that's what people believe is in this church in Ethiopia.
Because there's these Ethiopian Jews who also, their Bible is the book of Enoch.
andrew bishop
Do we have an image of this?
joe rogan
No, no, you can't see it.
Nobody can get it.
I say, send in the seals.
andrew bishop
We need to fucking get it.
joe rogan
Find out what the fuck is in there, bro.
Put these guys in hazmat suits and let's get to the map.
andrew bishop
If the US nine got it, it's going to be ours.
joe rogan
Well, yeah, you would imagine.
andrew bishop
We're going to take it.
unidentified
I'd like to see that.
brandon coleman
I don't know at all.
joe rogan
Well, what would happen with remote viewers if remote viewing is real?
Get remote viewers in a room.
andrew bishop
We have talked about that kind of thing.
brandon coleman
My brother is big on like.
He went down a remote viewing rabbit hole.
He was big on it.
joe rogan
I thought it was 100% horseshit about 10 years ago.
What about the silver time?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, the submarine's big.
They found the Soviet submarine that they were building.
They knew the exact location.
Not just that, remote viewers found a downed aircraft that was in Siberia.
They located it within a three-mile radius.
They found it.
They knew where it was.
The United States went in and got it before the Soviet Union could.
brandon coleman
Using remote viewers at the time.
joe rogan
Yeah, using remote viewers.
Like, they've got actionable information from remote viewers, allegedly.
Allegedly.
Allegedly.
andrew bishop
To me, it feels like we could, it's just to scare the Soviets.
Like, oh, we got people with superpowers.
We know where the submarine is.
joe rogan
Or they're doing it too.
andrew bishop
Or they're doing it too.
joe rogan
Or is this something that people realize that there is a developing aspect of human consciousness or an aspect of human consciousness that used to exist that we forgot that we don't know how to do anymore?
One of those things.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
andrew bishop
That's an interesting concept, yeah.
joe rogan
It is because the remote viewer thing, they spent a fuckload of money on that, and they kept that program going on for a long, long time.
And, you know, I don't know what they discovered or what they didn't.
You know, it's unless you're in the room with the people that have the top, top, top secret information, who knows?
andrew bishop
That whole Cold War time is also just wild.
I think it was, I see why we would have faked a lot of stuff on both sides.
Oh, for such a big bluff, a bluff game of we can do this, we have this.
joe rogan
Yep.
Yep.
drew nix
Andy just started believing in us getting to the moon.
andrew bishop
Well, once we went to, yeah, once we went to NASA in Texas, but also that documentary, the other footage that came out.
I don't really know.
I can see why we would fake it.
I mean, it's Soviets.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you want to beat them.
andrew bishop
That's the U.S. government.
We'd fake anything.
brandon coleman
So go ahead.
I'll talk about it.
joe rogan
No, go ahead.
brandon coleman
I was saying for a while, though, before that documentary came out, the story was, oh, we lost the footage.
andrew bishop
We lost all of them.
brandon coleman
And it's like, did they just wait for technology to progress to be able to make a convincing documentary?
joe rogan
Well, they definitely lost the footage.
They lost all the original copies of the film.
So all the original film was gone.
What you're seeing is just copies of copies.
They also lost the telemetry data, which is a real problem.
That's the hard data, the binary data that shows the distance and the craft and how far it was.
It just seems fake.
It seems fake when you watch it.
That's what's weird to me.
It seems totally hokey.
It looks fake as shit.
And then the weird one for me is the Apollo 11 post-flight press conference.
Those guys look like a hostage video.
It doesn't look real at all.
And then there's Neil Armstrong, who gave that very bizarre cryptic speech at the 25th anniversary of the Apollo moon landing.
There's a lot of weirdness to them.
And the fact that we haven't been back.
There's not a single thing that's not cheaper, easier, and faster to reproduce from 1969 in 2025, except the moon landing.
brandon coleman
Yeah, it's just weird.
If it is true, I've seen a video of something that was supposedly live streamed on the news back then, and it was just this guy who was obviously hanging from a cable, and he had this pathetic-looking earth under him.
And it's not at all what actual space looks like now.
But this was on the news, apparently.
joe rogan
Well, that's probably not real.
That was probably an artist rendition or recreation.
But how about the phone call?
Nixon is calling the guys from the, hey, fellas, I hear you're on the moon.
Yes, sir, we're on the moon.
I can't even get fucking cell phone service in my bathroom.
jamie vernon
What else number?
What's their explanation for how those reflectors got up there?
joe rogan
Well, first of all, the Russians put reflectors as well.
So you can definitely remotely place reflectors.
The other problem is the moon itself reflects.
So there's a lot of weird arguments about that.
I could see how you could say, oh, there's reflectors, and that would indicate that people were there.
jamie vernon
Show us the flag.
andrew bishop
Do we not have a...
Can we point James Webb over there?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no.
That's deep space.
It's a different thing.
You'd have to get a different kind of technology that's just to zoom in on the moon.
And they would go, why would we do that?
Why would we spend billions and billions of dollars to prove something that rational people think definitely happened?
andrew bishop
It's a lot of people that would have to hold a secret, too.
joe rogan
Not really.
andrew bishop
You don't think so?
joe rogan
No, because it's compartmentalized.
It's compartmentalized.
The only people that would really need to know are the people who made the footage, the people that were involved in the filming, and the actual astronauts themselves.
Everybody else, you're getting fed data.
andrew bishop
Yeah, you think they would believe that's happening.
joe rogan
Not only that, when the first time when Apollo 11 happened, they weren't allowed to get a direct feed from NASA.
So, what they did was they used a projection screen, and then all the news cameras pointed their cameras at the projection screen.
That's why it looks like shit.
Like, the first Apollo 11 video looks so bad.
But it seems like that was on purpose.
Like, they made it look like shit on purpose.
andrew bishop
Interesting.
joe rogan
And if you wanted to gain technological and ethical and moral superiority over the evil communists, you could see why you would make some sort of a rationalization why you should fake that we have the ability to go to the moon.
Because the ability to go to the moon is not just scientific, it's military.
Yeah, it's a military might.
Like, we have the best rockets, we have the best this, we have the best.
We got the best.
We went to the moon.
We definitely did it.
So, it just makes sense that they would fake it.
andrew bishop
And the blow of Sputnik flying over the United States, everybody can see it.
It's like, we can put this right above your country.
drew nix
That was a flex.
brandon coleman
I'm just saying if they were giving people LSD and brothels, I could see them fake.
andrew bishop
Yeah, 100%.
Most of the time, I'm not 100%.
joe rogan
Most of the United States history is full shit.
At least some aspect of it.
Look, what got us into the Vietnam War?
Gulf of Tonka never happened.
Full shit.
False flag event.
All throughout history, all throughout the United States history in the 1960s, during the same time where they were supposedly going to the moon, they lied constantly at every fucking turn, at every turn.
andrew bishop
And who's to say they're not still doing that?
brandon coleman
It was easier to do.
It's hard to trust.
unidentified
They are.
joe rogan
They 100% are.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Look, I know people in government that will tell you.
They're like, put your phone down.
Let's go for a walk.
And they'll tell you.
And you're like, what?
andrew bishop
That would be, that won't that.
joe rogan
Those conversations are strange.
andrew bishop
One of my favorite things is the pizza ordering at the Pentagon.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
andrew bishop
When shit starts to go down, the spike in pizza ordering because people are working late.
joe rogan
Yeah.
andrew bishop
Interesting.
joe rogan
Very weird.
andrew bishop
And it just spiked.
I saw, I think, a couple weeks ago because I brought it up.
I was like, I got a notification.
It's like, pizza spike.
joe rogan
I know.
People started thinking we're going to war.
andrew bishop
It was at a time, it was at a high that was like the Panama stuff, Vietnam.
joe rogan
Isn't that funny?
unidentified
It's pizza deliveries is what freaks everybody out.
joe rogan
Oh, they're working late.
brandon coleman
They're working late.
unidentified
They're under pizza.
andrew bishop
And now they just called all the generals together.
You've seen that?
joe rogan
Yeah, Heck Seth did.
But supposedly, what they're doing is giving, they want to get all the generals together and give them some sort of a moral and ethical mandate.
andrew bishop
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like preparedness.
This is what we want the military to be.
andrew bishop
No more beards and stuff.
joe rogan
No more fucking politics and no more identity politics and bullshit.
The most important thing is be ready.
Be ready.
Have the best, most capable military that's humanly possible given the resources that we have today.
This is where our goal is.
This is where our job is.
andrew bishop
And they needed to call everybody together to do that.
joe rogan
Well, you saw what the fuck was going on over the last four years.
You got guys in dresses talking about how it's really important to have inclusiveness.
unidentified
It's the most important thing about the military is inclusivity.
joe rogan
We had crazy people that were in charge of very important positions, including that guy that was stealing women's clothes.
That guy was in charge of fucking nuclear waste.
And he's running around stealing people's underwear.
andrew bishop
Panty raids.
joe rogan
With lipstick and a bald head.
Not just stealing, but he stole this one lady who was like a famous designer.
It was a one-off dress.
And then he wore it.
That's how he got busted.
He wore it to some event.
And the lady was like, hey, motherfucker, that's mine.
unidentified
Like, someone stole that shit from the airport.
joe rogan
And that's how he got busted.
brandon coleman
This is a South Park episode.
andrew bishop
That is a South Park episode.
unidentified
Is it?
brandon coleman
Is it a South Park episode?
No, but we live in a South Park episode.
joe rogan
We do.
Yeah, we do.
brandon coleman
It's getting wild, man.
joe rogan
It is wild, but it's like, it's always been wild.
And this is one of the good things about Trump being elected and Trump in office is that it kind of threw a monk, because they didn't want M to be the president.
And it threw a monkey wrench into all these things that they were doing.
And you get to see a lot of these people scramble.
And you get to see like, oh, this is this is there's so much like all the Doge stuff where they uncovered all these NGOs.
brandon coleman
That was crazy.
joe rogan
There's an NGO for, I think it's every 600 people in India.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know how crazy that is?
There's a non, there's a non-government organization for every, I think it's like five or six hundred people in India.
There's like millions of them.
It doesn't make any sense.
It's crazy.
It's like, what are you doing?
What are you doing?
Elon explained it to me, too.
He said, what you would do is you would make this non-profit and you would call this not, you'd put a bunch of money into it.
So you like you put like $10 million, relatively small to them, $10 million, this thing, and call it like Agency for Peace, Center for Peace, whatever it is.
And then that becomes a non-government organization.
And then you get politicians to dump tons of money into this NGO.
And then through this NGO, you profit.
andrew bishop
It's like a show company.
Yeah.
joe rogan
And there's a ton of those.
And there's so many of them, they couldn't even keep track of them.
And the more they dug into it, the more they started calling Elon a Nazi.
And it just got wild.
andrew bishop
They don't like when the elites don't like when the curtain's pulled back.
joe rogan
Well, that was the curtain being pulled back.
That was the curtain being pulled back in a way that most people were not aware.
And when I brought Mike Benz in and Mike Benz laid it all out, and he was explaining that what USAID was for was the things that were too dirty for the CIA to get involved in.
So a lot of it was like regime change operations.
He was like outlining all these different regime change operations that were all being paid for.
And then your tax dollars being dumped into these NGOs and then people are pulling money out of it.
Billions of dollars.
brandon coleman
It's the world's piggy bank.
andrew bishop
Why did they stop digging?
Are they still digging?
unidentified
Wow.
andrew bishop
I don't know.
Because I know Elon's not in the White House anymore.
brandon coleman
It was supposed to be a temporary thing.
andrew bishop
But it just seems like it all just stopped.
joe rogan
Well, you don't hear about it anymore.
That's true.
But I think it was real problematic.
I mean, they did shut down U.S.AID, and they turned Elon into a fucking Nazi.
I mean, how many fucking Teslas got keyed and tires got slashed and his business was really troubled by it.
And so he's like, I'm done.
I'm stepping away.
You guys, you didn't follow my instructions.
You didn't follow my recommendations.
So what can I do?
You're ruining my life.
So I'm just going to back out of this.
andrew bishop
Go back to building rockets.
joe rogan
So he's just going back to building rockets.
And the thing is, like, they didn't even care that he rescued those people from the fucking space station, which was wild.
Like, no one wanted to give him credit.
No one wanted to say thank you.
brandon coleman
No.
joe rogan
They're like, no, he's a Nazi.
People I know were calling him a Nazi because he spazzed out and went, my heart goes out to you.
andrew bishop
Oh, yeah.
We make fun of that all the time.
unidentified
It's crazy.
andrew bishop
Yeah.
Someone just took a still image, you know?
joe rogan
The guy literally has a chain around his neck that was given to him by one of the mothers of one of the hostages in Israel that says, bring them all home.
Yeah.
He wears it around his neck.
That's what a Nazi does?
Like, are you fucking kidding me?
You think he's a Nazi?
There's no evidence that he's a Nazi other than one hand movement.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's it?
andrew bishop
Well, it's like the whole rights being called Nazis.
Like, why are we throwing that word around?
joe rogan
Well, that word doesn't mean anything when everybody's a Nazi.
It's like, it's so stupid.
It's just like overplayed that hand.
brandon coleman
It started off being pretty strong and having a lot of weight, but now, you know, it's just like they use it all the time.
andrew bishop
And it's everybody's a Nazi, and then if you're not, you're a communist.
I mean, communists are real.
Everything's so extreme right now.
joe rogan
And Nazis are real, too?
That's the part of the problem.
When you call everybody a Nazi, well, the problem is that word gets overused, and now legitimate Nazis can just operate with impunity.
Like, they're real.
There's legit Nazis out there.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
brandon coleman
And then they wouldn't even really know what a Nazi is at that point.
joe rogan
It's squirrely.
It's squirrely as fuck.
And the government just is too big.
It's too big.
There's too much going on.
And you can only do so much to make it effective.
And so this administration has four years, and who knows what they're going to be able to get done or not get done.
And there's a lot of things they're doing that make people very upset.
Like all the ICE stuff and the raids.
andrew bishop
Do you see Ice Cube's bus?
unidentified
Tour bus?
andrew bishop
Have you seen that?
No.
They burnt his bus down.
unidentified
Portland.
The Antifa people burnt ICE's ice cubes.
andrew bishop
Ice cubes.
joe rogan
Because they thought it was the ice bus.
brandon coleman
They thought it was an ice bus.
andrew bishop
You haven't seen this?
unidentified
No.
andrew bishop
Oh, yeah.
I didn't mean to interrupt you on it, but it just hit me.
I saw that a couple days ago.
joe rogan
It's so stupid.
unidentified
Brilliant.
joe rogan
It's so stupid.
andrew bishop
Yeah, burned it to the ground.
brandon coleman
Is there a reaction video?
andrew bishop
I always love to see Ice Cube's reaction.
joe rogan
Bro, Portland is wild.
andrew bishop
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
You guys tour in Portland at all?
andrew bishop
Yeah, we actually had a good show there, but when you were so happy.
It is zombie apocalypse.
And we were just, another one's San Francisco.
First time for us going to San Francisco was about a month ago.
And we were in whatever they call the Tenderloin.
And it is a madhouse.
There's people blowing up fireworks, some homeless people blowing up these fireworks in the middle of the night on the street.
Me and Drew's just watching them out the window.
We're watching crime happen.
joe rogan
Yeah, San Francisco is pretty bug wild.
And then the mayor came out and said, we're making a declaration.
No one can sleep on the street.
You can no longer loiter.
You can only do that.
And then go look at San Francisco right now.
It's exactly the same.
This is talk.
brandon coleman
Is San Francisco where they cleaned up the Chinese president?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
Because Xi Jinping was in town.
And then said, well, when you have visitors over, you clean up your house.
unidentified
Like, bitch, why don't you just keep your fucking house clean?
joe rogan
Why you got shit on your floor?
unidentified
100%.
joe rogan
Human shit all over your streets.
brandon coleman
Yeah, man.
That's the question that everybody needs to be asking.
joe rogan
But this is the question.
andrew bishop
It's possible.
joe rogan
But if I wanted to ruin society and get it to a point where everybody you needed to control things because it got so chaotic that you could institute some sort of a digital ID and institute social credit score, that's how you would do it.
You would, I mean, I'm not saying that that's what they're doing, but that's how I would do it.
What I would do is I would just let people out of jail the moment they do anything, let them camp on the streets, give them money for drugs, just let it go crazy, and then have everybody like scrambling, please take away our freedom to give us safety.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then boom.
brandon coleman
Well, you can't blame people for asking these kinds of questions when you go to other countries and it's safe to walk around at night and it's a pretty clean city.
It's like, why don't we have this?
You know, you can't blame a society for asking those kinds of questions from their leaders.
And why don't you just clean up for a foreign government to come visit, which is cool or whatever, but you proved that you could.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brandon coleman
And then, like, why don't we just have that all the time?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brandon coleman
I think there needs to be more stuff directed towards mental health.
For a lot of those homeless people and people on drugs is, some of them are like mentally ill.
100%.
But we don't have any, we don't have any treatment for people like that hardly.
joe rogan
Well, it all skyrocketed during the Reagan administration because they changed the laws in terms of what you're supposed to do when someone's mentally ill.
And they just like, let them loose.
Let's stop paying for it.
unidentified
Yeah.
andrew bishop
We don't even do insane asylums anymore or anything.
joe rogan
But then again, you hear stories about it.
drew nix
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's not good either.
andrew bishop
We would hope we'd have some good ones.
brandon coleman
But it's just like some people out there with no family.
joe rogan
Right.
brandon coleman
There's like, you know, kids, their family died when they were 18 and they're not mentally able to function in society.
They've been homeless for 20 years.
joe rogan
100%.
brandon coleman
We need a place for people like that.
joe rogan
Yes, 100%.
drew nix
I have a very, very close family member right now that's homeless and mentally ill.
And that's all I want, man, is for people to like...
I don't know what needs to happen, but we need to get these people help.
joe rogan
100%.
Yeah, 100%.
And that should be something that we do spend money on.
brandon coleman
I'll roll tax dollars to go to something like that.
andrew bishop
Yeah, 100%.
joe rogan
Everybody, right or left, everybody would.
You want people to get a chance.
I mean, the best stories ever are people that they were in the gutter, like living on the streets.
And now all of a sudden they're helping people.
They run some sort of a non-profit food kitchen and they're helping people get clean and they found life's purpose and running, whether it is some sort of a religious class or something that gives people hope and gives people something that they can tell you, like, hey, I used to be where you are, and now I'm not, and now I'm helping people.
Like, right or left, like this divide that we have in this country, most of it's bullshit.
And most of it is like, it's engineered.
It's engineered to keep us at each other's throats so they can keep getting away with all this nonsense.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
andrew bishop
And we keep eating it up.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
Oh, yeah.
And doubling down.
andrew bishop
It could be like if the president said, don't go buy, or something about bananas.
You go, everybody should have a banana today.
The left would never eat another banana in the bottom of the bottom.
joe rogan
Look at this Tylenol.
andrew bishop
Or the Tylenol thing.
Look at this Tylenol.
brandon coleman
Tylenol said in 2017, we actually don't recommend you take our product.
But to see people in 2017, they said.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, two years ago, Johnson and Johnson separated from Tylenol.
Tylenol became its own company.
andrew bishop
Whoa.
joe rogan
Which is probably like they saw it coming down the pipe and they're like, hey, about the money.
Well, here's what's really crazy.
A lot of fucking crazy leftist women started taking Tylenol to own JFK or RFK Jr. and Trump.
And a bunch of them died of liver toxicity.
Because they took Tylenol.
andrew bishop
I knew it was going to happen.
I love TikTok.
Pregnant women just taking Tylenol just out of spite.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
brandon coleman
It's crazy.
Why let something dictate your life that much?
You know?
joe rogan
Because a lot of people are nuts, man.
A lot of people just don't have any critical thinking skills and they're in a cult.
andrew bishop
And you find a hobby.
joe rogan
Whether they're in a MAGA cult or they're in a leftist cult, they're in a fucking cult.
And they're all in on one side or the other side.
And I think humanity exists in the middle.
And humanity exists in the middle where you're supposed to be able to talk about ideas.
And you're supposed to say, well, what's good for just overall society, like mental health institutions, like giving people some sort of a chance to become a productive member of society.
There's a lot of things that we all agree on.
And we need to find common ground.
And instead of like fighting and instead of polarizing people, and this is one of the problems that I have with this administration is that they're really good at like pointing fingers at the other side and polarizing and really bad at uniting us all and not attacking the other side and just uniting us and bringing us together.
brandon coleman
What was the last administration that was good at uniting, in your opinion?
joe rogan
Ooh.
brandon coleman
Or is it always been a division?
joe rogan
Well, it's kind of always been like that.
Maybe the Clinton administration, maybe the first one.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
andrew bishop
Maybe Clinton 9-11.
joe rogan
Yeah, everybody.
But boy.
andrew bishop
On the same team for at least a year.
drew nix
He was pretty divisive.
joe rogan
Oh, he was super divisive before that.
That's for damn sure.
andrew bishop
It was an outside influence.
joe rogan
But it's also, it's like, what did they do with that unitedness?
They forced us into a war over a bullshit premise.
I mean, that just shows you what they're really willing to do if they have everybody's will.
If they have everybody on their side, like, okay, great.
Let's invade Iraq.
Let's lie about it.
brandon coleman
The war on terrorism.
andrew bishop
Yeah, exactly.
They go anywhere with nuclear weapons.
joe rogan
That's all I have to do.
They hate us for our freedom.
Oh, no.
Go fuck them up.
andrew bishop
And take their oil.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
It's kind of crazy, but we always fall for it.
And hopefully we fall for it less and less every year.
But it doesn't seem like it when you see pregnant ladies chewing Tylenol.
unidentified
Yeah.
andrew bishop
We're in a crazy time.
brandon coleman
Again, that's what the song touches on.
We're actually going to put it out October 3rd because of it.
joe rogan
I listened to it in the gym today.
brandon coleman
People hating?
unidentified
Yeah.
brandon coleman
You don't like it?
joe rogan
I love it.
I love the whole album.
It's really great.
brandon coleman
Just jaded on it, man.
Tired of people hating each other.
joe rogan
Oh, it's sick.
It's sick and it's unnecessary.
And you don't get much time, folks.
You don't get much time in this life.
You get 100 years if you're lucky.
And you're going to waste it fighting ideological battles on Twitter and Facebook.
Like, what are you doing?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, and you're trapped.
You're trapped on your phone.
You're trapped checking to see how people are engaging with your latest outrage tweet.
drew nix
I can't.
I cannot, dude.
I cannot look at the comments.
And I think I learned that from you.
andrew bishop
But post and ghost.
joe rogan
Post and ghost, baby.
drew nix
I just, like, I've seen some of these things, and I know it's all bullshit.
Like, somebody's just coming on here to rile me up.
But, like.
joe rogan
David 36907.
drew nix
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like so many of them.
drew nix
On the inside, it kind of gets to you a little bit.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
drew nix
And I just don't.
I'd rather not.
unidentified
He loves.
brandon coleman
Eat it up, son.
Keep doing it.
Yeah, I don't care.
andrew bishop
Really?
brandon coleman
I wouldn't be doing this if I cared about people's opinion.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
But you do care about good people's opinion.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You just don't care about how long people's opinions.
brandon coleman
I don't care about the negative opinions because I'm not doing it for God, pretty much.
But I mean, anytime I post a cover song, sorry, not Wayland.
Sorry, nobody will ever be George Jones.
Wasn't trying to be.
Just singing the songs, not that deep.
joe rogan
Johnny Cash will never be nine-inch nails.
You know, he made hurt.
It's just a different thing, man.
You can enjoy it without saying that.
But there's a lot of people that are just negative.
And it's why?
It's because their life sucks.
Do you think Michael Jordan leaves YouTube comments?
No.
andrew bishop
No.
joe rogan
Because he's a fucking winner.
You know what I mean?
That's really what it is.
A lot of our society, their main contribution is bitching.
You know, that's what they spend most of their energy on.
brandon coleman
We want to keep it about music, man.
joe rogan
Good for you, man.
brandon coleman
There's a lot of drama in the world.
If somebody tried to start drama with us, I don't even know if we would even reply.
It's a fake place.
You think I'm going to waste my time arguing with you on social media?
I'm not, cool.
That's what you think.
joe rogan
It's one of the few things that we have that really reunites us.
You know, really does.
You can get people of all persuasions, all different kinds of backgrounds, just love a good song.
andrew bishop
That's universal.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brandon coleman
That's weird about social media, too, is the algorithm.
Someone left-leaning will have a completely different comment section than someone right-leaning.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Living in an echo chat.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And that's really bad because then you think, look, and then when the election happens, you're like, what?
What is going on?
unidentified
How do you not think the way I think?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brandon coleman
We're all people, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, I just wish someone would come along that was a great uniter, and hopefully they won't get shot.
andrew bishop
Yeah.
Jeez.
brandon coleman
Jesus.
joe rogan
Well, maybe it would.
brandon coleman
They feel if they killed him first, though.
andrew bishop
Yeah, they did it back then, too.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
joe rogan
If Jesus did come back today, boy, would that be fascinating?
Like, see, just to see how people are going to be.
brandon coleman
Oh, God.
Actually, I believe.
andrew bishop
I'm sorry.
Honestly.
brandon coleman
Could you imagine they're like, I don't know.
I don't want to throw shade on anybody, but just dying.
It's like, oh, God dang it.
They were right.
I know, I know.
I'll see myself out on that.
andrew bishop
Just go ahead and walk out and walk the other way.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You get to the pearly gates, you're like, no shit.
unidentified
Really?
Wow.
joe rogan
And then St. Peter's like, come here.
Talk to you about some of the things.
andrew bishop
At least for me.
joe rogan
Oh, dude, I didn't know.
If I knew, I would have never done all this stuff.
I would have never lied about my taxes.
I've never done any of those things.
andrew bishop
It's a little late then.
I'll have to make a stop at purgatory on the way.
That's where I'll be.
joe rogan
We make good birds, too.
andrew bishop
I'll be there eventually.
joe rogan
But music is the great uniter.
brandon coleman
Andrew's the only Catholic in the band.
joe rogan
Oh, so it's like, again, purgatory?
unidentified
Yeah.
brandon coleman
But we coexist.
andrew bishop
Yeah.
We have, yeah, I mean, we talk about, we have like a little random Bible study that pops up.
We just talk about the Bible.
I pull out my catechism.
You know?
It's fun.
brandon coleman
I'm just going to be laughing at you because God probably will send you to a purgatory because you believed in it.
andrew bishop
Hey, he might be sending you.
We don't know.
We'll know when we believe it.
I'm going to see y'all in that.
unidentified
Well, when was Catholicism established?
andrew bishop
With Jesus Christ, when he was crucified.
joe rogan
That's when it was started?
andrew bishop
Yeah, he told St. Peter, I'll build on top of you.
You are the rock I will build my church on.
You know where his bones are in the Vatican.
Underneath St. Peter's Basilica.
joe rogan
Interesting.
Vatican's got a lot of stuff.
St. Peter's Basilica.
andrew bishop
Just went.
Just went for my honeymoon.
Insane.
It was, even if you're not Catholic, just going there.
They have a whole museum is insane.
No, that's down in Rome.
We won't make it that far.
joe rogan
But either way, Rome is pretty bizarre to look at, too.
But there is nothing.
There's nothing like St. Peter's Basilica.
andrew bishop
It is.
It's like.
joe rogan
By the way, how crazy is it that Rome is its own country?
andrew bishop
How crazy is that?
joe rogan
They have their own.
It's a country.
It's like 50 acres or some shit.
The Vatican.
andrew bishop
Yeah, the Vatican.
joe rogan
The Vatican, rather.
Excuse me, not Rome.
andrew bishop
And you have to wait in line?
Yeah, you have to wait in line to enter in the morning when we went.
joe rogan
But the Vatican being its own country is so strange.
And then you get in it.
You're like, this might be the richest country ever.
Like, look at all the art.
They have so much art.
andrew bishop
So much art.
joe rogan
It's just St. Peter's Basilica.
Whatever you believe, if you go to that, you'll be awestruck.
andrew bishop
It's literally, like, you walk in and you're just covered with chills.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're blown away.
And didn't it take like four or five hundred years to make?
brandon coleman
I'm sure.
I'm sure.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
I mean, this was all people with no computers and no power drills.
Yeah, man.
No power saws.
Like, how?
How dedicated were you, motherfuckers?
brandon coleman
I will say that's some of my favorite memories of Europe last year was seeing cathedrals, how beautiful they are.
It's kind of screwed up.
They were like charging people at the door.
andrew bishop
No, that was Anglican.
Yeah, Anglican.
It wasn't Catholic, no.
Catholics.
joe rogan
Look at that.
andrew bishop
You can enter.
Anglican will charge you.
joe rogan
And when you see it, the photos are beautiful, but being there in person, you realize the scale of it all.
And it's almost impossible.
It's impossible to imagine the dedication and the craftsmanship that was involved in making something so amazing.
andrew bishop
And there's a whole crip underneath with all the.
brandon coleman
It's like we moved backwards.
How did stuff stop being beautiful?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
Construction methods got much more convenient.
brandon coleman
You see a picture of a train from back in the day?
How just beautiful a public train used to be?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
andrew bishop
Old cars are just.
joe rogan
How about you ever see economy seating from like the 1960s?
brandon coleman
I wish I could have looked at it.
andrew bishop
They were smoking cigarettes on them airplanes.
brandon coleman
They were turning up back then on flights, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They were smoking cigarettes in couches.
They had these big-ass seats.
Everybody looked relaxed.
brandon coleman
Rappers don't even do that now.
I mean, they were like living it up back then.
joe rogan
Yeah, they were living it up.
andrew bishop
I really couldn't imagine sitting on an airplane next to somebody smoking a cigarette.
joe rogan
Oh, when I was a kid, most of them smoked on planes.
andrew bishop
It has to be suffocating, right?
joe rogan
Oh, it was horrible.
And if you got a ticket like late, you had to sit in the smoking section.
So you're in the back of the bus or the back of the plane.
And if you had to go to the toilet, you had to go past all the people smoking.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Look at that.
That's economy seating.
andrew bishop
That looks nice.
jamie vernon
Turbulence.
brandon coleman
No wonder people are so depressed nowadays.
joe rogan
Well, they did have seat belts, didn't they?
jamie vernon
They don't look at it.
joe rogan
It doesn't look like they did.
No, don't look like they left all your luggage.
brandon coleman
You might die.
joe rogan
Well, the luggage is in the overhead compartments.
They still have overhead compartments.
andrew bishop
It looks pretty shallow.
joe rogan
Yeah, those are overhead compartments.
jamie vernon
No lights.
andrew bishop
People probably travel air.
joe rogan
Do you think that's fake?
It might be AI generated.
They might be bullshitting us.
But there are definitely real shows.
jamie vernon
I saw this eight-year-old posts on Red Hill.
joe rogan
I think it's legit.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
I've seen that.
joe rogan
747 from the 1960s.
brandon coleman
Is there like a stand-up bar?
Didn't they have like a stand-up bar section where you walk around and go get a drink?
joe rogan
So that's a different size plane, though.
jamie vernon
747, yeah.
joe rogan
But it depends on like where you're going and how far you're flying.
brandon coleman
There's no overhead storage, it looks like.
joe rogan
Those people look like they're having a good old time, though, on those planes.
andrew bishop
They were actually talking to each other.
brandon coleman
Look at the colors of the seats.
unidentified
And by the way, the stewardesses were hot.
brandon coleman
It was like hot stewardesses.
You had to be hot to be a stewardess back then.
joe rogan
Yeah, weird.
andrew bishop
Also, what happened to fashion?
These people are dressed up very nice on an airplane.
And now we're, you know, people are showing up in yoga pants.
joe rogan
People used to dress.
jamie vernon
That's the first time.
joe rogan
Don't be hating on yoga pants, bro.
andrew bishop
I should have worn mine, dang it.
joe rogan
But it went well with your chain.
And the mustache.
unidentified
Nothing but like shirtless chain mustache.
brandon coleman
I don't know why people were calling me a lesbian.
unidentified
Yeah, Theobon comments coming back.
andrew bishop
People were like, oh, he looks like Matthew McConaughey.
I was like, dang, when they talk about me.
And it was Brandon.
They're like, who's this mustache lesbian that keeps talking?
brandon coleman
I was like, hey.
What did I do?
andrew bishop
Yeah, what did I do?
joe rogan
Well, people will find a way to get you.
andrew bishop
Yeah, I don't read those.
I just have Brandon semi-screenshots.
joe rogan
Because you get in there, right?
andrew bishop
Yeah, my feelings will get hurt.
brandon coleman
Man.
I get a lot of Elvis like, oh, he looks like Elvis.
He looks like Elvis.
That's why I won't do karate.
Because that's just the next thing they'll just tack on.
Oh, he's doing karate like Elvis.
I'm just like, yeah.
joe rogan
It's a good thing to get out your aggression, though.
It's a good thing to calm yourself.
brandon coleman
I want to do something, man.
I want to do boxing.
joe rogan
Yeah, do some Muay Thai.
Have some guy hold pads for you.
If you started out with Shotokan, you know.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
joe rogan
Get some guy to hold pads for you when you're on the road.
andrew bishop
Drew, Drew's here down 40-plus pounds in the last how long?
drew nix
I'd say about 10 months.
joe rogan
Really?
That's great.
What'd you do?
drew nix
I fasted.
So I did like 16-hour fasts pretty much every day.
joe rogan
Okay.
Intermittent fasting.
Nice.
drew nix
And just that alone.
joe rogan
Isn't it amazing?
drew nix
Dude, 30 pounds by itself.
joe rogan
Yeah.
drew nix
And then I started working out a few weeks ago, and I've just been doing it like every single day.
joe rogan
Don't you feel a million times better?
drew nix
1,000%.
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
Like, you want to tell people, I know it sucks to start.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Starting something is hard to do.
Changing the habits of your life are very hard to do.
But if you could do it, God, you'll feel so much better.
drew nix
Yeah.
I mean, like, I can't even go a day without running.
joe rogan
Really?
drew nix
It feels like I will feel bad.
joe rogan
Isn't that incredible?
drew nix
Yeah, dude.
I love it so much.
joe rogan
And you think about the time where you felt bad all the time, and that was your base state.
drew nix
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a lot of people that are complaining online, too.
There's a lot of people that just are uncomfortable just walking around and need to exercise.
Yeah, they're filled with anxiety and angst.
brandon coleman
Need to get outside and exercise.
joe rogan
Just fucking do sickleball.
Do something.
Do something.
andrew bishop
I mean, it will cure a lot of things, just exercise alone.
joe rogan
I mean, what's 1.25 times better than antidepressants?
Just that alone.
1.25 times better than SSRIs.
andrew bishop
Everybody's always, it just blows my mind.
Even growing up as a kid, all these fat-burning pills and all these shortcuts to lose weight and the Ozempic thing.
It's like there's no shortcut.
It is diet and exercise.
joe rogan
Yeah.
drew nix
Lean, baby.
joe rogan
I think for people that are like morbidly obese, like something like Ozempic is.
andrew bishop
It's going to be the, it'll help you.
It's the catalyst of get you started.
joe rogan
Sometimes it's just getting started.
It's just like getting momentum going where you're doing something positive every day.
And then, you know, next thing you know, it's five days in a row.
Next thing you know, it's a month in a row.
You're like, I'm feeling fucking good.
I got, I really have a good program going on now.
I'm feeling better.
Everything's healthy.
And that's a lot of life is just having positive momentum in the right direction.
brandon coleman
We're creatures of habit.
We learn to walk by forming a habit.
And you can form good habits.
You know, you get to a point where, like you said, man, I didn't get my run in a day.
I feel weird.
And it's like, oh, I need to go to the gym.
I need to fill a pump or something.
You get that habit going, man.
joe rogan
And for some people, it's meditation.
For some people, it's yoga.
But just do something.
Do something.
Do something positive.
Don't just exist.
andrew bishop
I hope that for America, we'll get fit again.
joe rogan
Well, that would be nice.
andrew bishop
We need that.
drew nix
I feel like it's shifting.
I feel like it.
joe rogan
I mean, there's a lot of people.
There's a lot of people that are shifting.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
andrew bishop
Well, I think like with our grandparents, the importance wasn't known yet of how important moving, like if you don't use your joints, you're going to lose them when you're old.
And that's why we have, you know, old people are all slumped over and old.
I hope when our generation gets there, we know how important exercise is.
And when we're 80 years old, we can still run a mile, you know.
joe rogan
Or you just go to the doctor and they give you a new body.
andrew bishop
Or that too.
joe rogan
That's probably going to happen.
brandon coleman
Stress my legs out.
unidentified
Yeah.
andrew bishop
Get some new knees.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Just take your brain and download it into a new body.
andrew bishop
I like that.
brandon coleman
Have they tried the head transplant yet?
joe rogan
They have done a head transplant.
brandon coleman
Did it work?
joe rogan
Yeah, no.
The person died, but they kept him alive for a short period of time.
They did it to a dog.
unidentified
Yeah, the dog.
joe rogan
And then I think they did do it to a person.
brandon coleman
That Nazi video of the dog head's weird.
Yeah, it made me feel weird.
joe rogan
Well, the Nazis tried a lot of shit.
They experimented with a lot of shit.
That's what's really dark.
It's like a lot of medical experiments we found out through the Nazis.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
andrew bishop
Like spreading intestines across the wall to see how GI tracts work.
Yeah.
brandon coleman
Like they were poking on people's brain while they're still acting.
drew nix
It's got to be a smelly room, dude.
andrew bishop
Oh, yeah.
I would imagine.
joe rogan
Well, with genetic engineering, hopefully they don't have to do any of that.
But it is going to be weird if you could just choose your body.
drew nix
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, like everyone's going to look beautiful.
Everyone's going to be looking like Thor, you know.
But Chris Hemsworth's walking around the world.
It's going to be very strange.
brandon coleman
At that point, God's just going, all right, that's it.
Pulling the plug.
unidentified
Let's go.
andrew bishop
Too far.
drew nix
Yeah.
joe rogan
Maybe.
drew nix
Me and my wife are looking into IVF right now, and they're like, Do you want to pick a ginger?
andrew bishop
You can do that.
drew nix
Yeah.
I mean, if you had your choice, would you want to pick?
And it was like, that's something you gotta.
andrew bishop
I'm gonna need a week to think about.
joe rogan
And why are you looking into IVF?
Why are you doing that?
drew nix
So my wife has scar tissue, and so she had a mass on one of her fallopian tubes.
joe rogan
Oh, so they have to do it this way.
Yeah.
Well, see, in that way, medical science is brilliant, right?
drew nix
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
brandon coleman
And it would be cool if that was covered by insurance.
joe rogan
Yeah, it would be.
drew nix
There's a program called Carrot now that runs through our insurance that you can do it on.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
So it's quite expensive, though, right?
Isn't it like $30,000 a shot?
drew nix
Something like that.
joe rogan
And it doesn't always work the first time.
You have to try it again.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
But my wife puts it as: you know, your baby's just taking the scenic route.
Because a lot of people feel funny about, they feel funny about getting IVF, but it's like, there's nothing wrong with IVF.
joe rogan
Listen, if it allows you to become a parent, and it's the most rewarding thing in life to become a parent, to me at least.
It changes everything, changes your whole life, changes your perspective on things.
Dave Chappelle said it best to me.
He said, it didn't just change the amount of love I had, it changed my capacity for love.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And if you can give that to people, that's beautiful.
Yeah.
Especially like, there's a real population collapse problem.
brandon coleman
Yeah, I was going to say that.
drew nix
Yeah.
joe rogan
And a lot of countries, it's real serious.
brandon coleman
The countries where it's not.
There's some countries where they're overproducing.
It's like, isn't England like below the rate they need to be?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Japan is real bad.
andrew bishop
Isn't China's upside down?
I don't know, people.
joe rogan
I don't know what Japan or China is, but I know Japan has a real issue.
South Korea has a huge issue.
andrew bishop
It's funny.
I wonder why it's the Asian countries.
joe rogan
They work hard.
They're busting their ass all the time.
They don't have time to make kids.
I mean, if you're super dedicated to work and super disciplined, and Korea, South Korea in particular, is a very disciplined culture, very hardworking culture.
So if they're career-oriented and disciplined, those are the type of people that have less kids.
andrew bishop
I'd like to see where they're the highest and where they're the lowest and see, you know, is it like Europe?
Is it Northern Europe producing more children?
brandon coleman
I've seen a map of it.
I can't remember what's what.
andrew bishop
A lot of poor countries.
brandon coleman
It's kind of scary.
joe rogan
There's a lot of poor countries.
brandon coleman
Because that's how a culture disappears over time, low birth rates.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, no doubt.
Yeah, so do you part, get that IVF, son?
brandon coleman
Have babies.
joe rogan
Have babies.
Any more we should cover?
We good?
brandon coleman
I mean, I think the single coming out October 3rd is all I wanted to make sure I talked about.
But I mean, we've talked about a lot.
joe rogan
You guys are fucking great.
I enjoy you very much.
Listen to you guys all the time in the green room.
You're in the green room playlist at the mothership.
andrew bishop
Thank you.
joe rogan
So we love you guys.
brandon coleman
You got to come catch the show sometime.
joe rogan
We'd love to.
brandon coleman
Did I tell you the story, the Kill Tony story?
joe rogan
No.
brandon coleman
So our first time, 2024 was a wild year for us.
Like, we got into Kill Tony and we were loving it and watching it.
And then a couple months later, it's like, you guys want to go see Shane Gillis?
And we were like, yeah.
They got us, like, they pulled us up backstage.
And as soon as we get out of the van, Tony's sitting there smoking a cigarette.
He's like, hey, what's up, guys?
unidentified
Hey, guys.
brandon coleman
And so we were starstruck immediately.
And then met Shane, and we kind of felt like Shane didn't know who we were.
So we think he slipped off to the green room to look us up.
andrew bishop
100%.
drew nix
It's like, you guys just had a number one hit.
Congratulations.
joe rogan
So you come back to the Google clothing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
100%.
drew nix
Yeah, man.
brandon coleman
Well, that was just incredible.
And then, like, a few months later, we actually get to go to Kill Tony.
And that was just another mind-blown, incredible.
Oh, my God, what is happening?
And they were like, hey, somebody was like, Rogan wasn't going to come out tonight, but he wants to meet you guys.
So he's going to come out at Mitchie's and talk to you guys.
Cool, man.
They get a little nervous, a little freaked out.
And we were in Mitchie's hanging out with Hans Kim and Cam and all those guys.
And then turn around and there you are sitting there.
I was like, oh my God, there he is.
And you were standing there talking to people, though.
andrew bishop
Yeah, you got swallowed up immediately as you walked in the door.
brandon coleman
And me and Andrew were sitting at the bar, and they were like, all right, I'm going in.
I was like, no, man, just wait.
andrew bishop
I was like, you want to talk to him?
I'm just going to send it, buddy.
I'll send it this for you.
Yeah, hey, Mr. Joe.
brandon coleman
Let us my friend Brandon.
Yeah, let it happen naturally.
Let it happen naturally.
And so I was sitting there waiting on my time to strike, and I turned around to talk to somebody, and I turned back around where you were, and you were gone.
So I was like, I felt like just the biggest hammer drop of all time.
I was like, dang, man.
I felt extra bad because I was told that you wouldn't want to come out, but you were coming out to meet us, and I felt like we just sat there and ignored you.
joe rogan
I didn't know you guys were there.
brandon coleman
Okay, it was a lot of fun.
joe rogan
I did come out.
I did come out to meet you guys, but I got swarmed.
And it was just like, I get weird sometimes.
I'm like, got to go.
So yeah, it was just get out of there.
andrew bishop
You had like six people you were carrying a conversation with at one time.
brandon coleman
We weren't about to be on top of that.
andrew bishop
Well, we know we will cross paths when time's needed.
joe rogan
We did it.
brandon coleman
I saw you also, and I missed my chance again at UFC in December.
joe rogan
Which one?
brandon coleman
In Vegas.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
brandon coleman
Yeah, you were commentating, and we were across from you on the other side of the arena.
Theo was sitting behind you, I think, and we were on the direct other side.
Incredible experience.
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
This is the first time you guys had ever been?
brandon coleman
Yeah.
And Theo actually got an extra ticket to Super Slap, and he invited me out of that, Fontaine Cloud.
Power Slap, odd sports.
That won't be around for a long time.
andrew bishop
That is a CTE brain damage.
joe rogan
Yeah, a factory.
brandon coleman
Brain damage is coming.
joe rogan
It's a CTE farm.
I don't get it.
It's not my thing.
andrew bishop
It seems so bad for you to just obviously.
joe rogan
100% terrible for you.
brandon coleman
Yeah.
I don't know about that.
andrew bishop
I mean, they are, I mean, they're concussed.
joe rogan
One thing.
andrew bishop
And they're standing right back up there to get hit again.
joe rogan
Yeah.
andrew bishop
I mean, has there been a second impact syndrome case yet in PowerSlap?
joe rogan
PowerSlap's only been around for a couple years.
andrew bishop
Oh, shit.
brandon coleman
Dana's going to be paying money to keep the studies away.
No, we've got to keep this going.
joe rogan
I just don't like it.
I don't know why people like it, but I do watch it.
If somebody sends me a video and I watch some guy get slapped KO'd, I will watch it because I watched two hours or an hour of fucking dick operations last night.
andrew bishop
How do you feel about bare knuckle?
joe rogan
That's different.
I mean, it's dangerous, but it's dangerous.
It is skillful.
It's like there's guys that are really good at it and guys that avoid being hit and guys that are just really durable and they make their mark in that.
Look, if you could punch someone with regular gloves, why can't you punch someone bare knuckle?
It's probably better for your brain because you can't get hit as hard.
brandon coleman
Slightly they're not standing there just waiting for it.
andrew bishop
You get a lot of that connection, though, when they hit and you don't have a glove one.
You see them.
You see the shock it puts through you.
brandon coleman
The noise PowerSlap makes in real life is uncanny.
It's weird.
When you hear that in real life, it's like, I've never heard a noise like that before, and that was on somebody's face.
joe rogan
Not good.
unidentified
Yeah.
Not good.
joe rogan
And sometimes they get KO'd and then their head slaps the table and then they fall backwards stiff and like combo.
I don't like it.
brandon coleman
It felt weird.
It's like watching a cockfight or something.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Yeah.
But hey, you know, you sign up.
You want to do it.
No one's forcing you.
Do whatever you want.
You want to ride bulls?
Go ahead.
Flip bikes.
Whatever you want to do.
brandon coleman
Yeah, some people.
joe rogan
You want to evil can evil your way through life.
brandon coleman
After that, though, we got to meet Dana and he hooked us up with the fight tickets.
joe rogan
Oh, nice.
brandon coleman
I seen you.
And then I was like, oh, this would be my chance.
And you would, we, afterward, we left our seats, and then we were going out, and then you immediately stood up and walked right in front of where I was sitting.
I was like, damn, Mr. Joe.
andrew bishop
All right, is the White House thing supposedly?
There's a concert aspect to it.
joe rogan
Really?
andrew bishop
We want to put our name in a bucket.
joe rogan
Is there, really?
andrew bishop
Supposedly.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
Interesting.
Who's supposed to perform so far?
andrew bishop
I don't think anybody yet.
joe rogan
Oh, I didn't even know there was a concert aspect to it.
andrew bishop
That's what we've heard.
Our agents heard, at least.
joe rogan
Interesting.
This is the first time I've heard of it.
That makes sense, though.
drew nix
Come play our sad music for the heck.
brandon coleman
Ruin everybody's bugs.
andrew bishop
We call it sad music.
joe rogan
So emotional.
It's emotional music.
I don't think it's sad.
It doesn't make me sad.
Yeah, the White House thing's going to be nuts.
But listen, man, that's June.
That is so long from now.
Who the fuck knows what's going to happen in this wacky world between now and June?
The aliens could have already landed.
andrew bishop
I can't wait to see the card, though.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
andrew bishop
I hope it happens.
joe rogan
Well, he's going to try to put together the greatest card of all time.
I know that.
So they're going to try to get as many insane fights as they can.
brandon coleman
Before people come jumping on us for that, it's like it'd be an honor to play at the White House, period, no matter who's in office.
It's like, what happened to just being able to go and meet the president without being cool?
It should be a cool thing.
joe rogan
It shouldn't be polarized.
andrew bishop
I'd like to meet Trump, but I'd also like to meet Obama.
He seemed pretty dang cool.
brandon coleman
That would be cool.
Just going to the White House would be a big honor.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Sure.
Sure.
Well, hopefully you guys can.
brandon coleman
Yeah, we'll see.
Who cares?
joe rogan
Just keep kicking ass.
You'll get there.
andrew bishop
We'll see.
joe rogan
Hopefully, less polarizing times by the time you get in there.
But thank you for being here.
I appreciate you guys very much, and thanks for making awesome music.
It's been fun to meet you.
brandon coleman
Awesome.
unidentified
All right.
Meet you.
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