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Joe Rogan Experience #2354 - Joe DeRosa
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joe derosa
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joe rogan
Joe DeRosa taking notes.
Look at you, scholarly young man.
joe derosa
There's so many things I want to talk to you about.
joe rogan
You know?
joe derosa
Yeah, this is like a really, this is really interesting.
Like, like to sit with you one-on-one like this.
It really is.
And I say that outside of who you are to the world, which is obviously impressive.
I say it to you just as a comic that knows you and has been friendly with you for many years.
We don't get a, you know, usually when I see you, it's at the mothership.
joe rogan
Green room, 50 people around.
joe derosa
50 people.
It's your place.
There's a lot going on.
And I was like, man, it's going to be interesting to get to sit across from Joe and just talk to him and have a conversation.
joe rogan
What did you write down?
joe derosa
I wrote Sober.
joe rogan
Sober.
joe derosa
Which I'll explain.
But Family was the first thing I wrote, or the second thing I wrote, but the first thing I wanted to say was it's incredible, man, because I was in there last night.
My special came out yesterday, and I was in the club last night.
I just dropped in real quick to say hi to Tony, and Ari was around for his last night before he...
joe rogan
He's going on a walkabout?
joe derosa
Some secret.
joe rogan
He just sent me some text message.
He said this weekend was perfect for my send-off from stand-up comedy.
And I go, what does that mean?
My send-off?
What are you doing?
Fucking weirdo.
joe derosa
He's going.
joe rogan
He always has to fucking throw his life into a turmoil every couple of years.
joe derosa
He's the weirdest man I've ever met.
joe rogan
Oh, he's so weird.
He's awesome, though.
joe derosa
I love him.
joe rogan
He's amazing.
joe derosa
He's one of my best friends.
joe rogan
He's a unique, very unique individual.
That's a one-of-one.
joe derosa
Yes.
And he's done some stuff.
He's a polarizing individual.
joe rogan
Oh, without a doubt.
Without a doubt.
He took his shit on stage with a note inside of it during a Skank Fest show.
He shit on the plastic and then pulled out the note and read it.
joe derosa
Yeah, I remember that happening.
joe rogan
Yeah, don't do that.
joe derosa
I talked to him about it, and he goes, I go, Ari, I love you.
Why do you make it so hard for yourself?
And he goes, he got mad.
We were sitting in the green room.
It was just me and him, and he got mad and he's sitting there.
He goes, he goes, oh, yeah, oh, yeah.
And censor jokes.
And then I go, no, no, no.
I'm not into censoring jokes.
I'm saying you shouldn't bloody shit on a stage.
And he kept going, and I look him in the eye.
I go, Brian, you did the only thing I've ever seen shake Brian Holtzman.
Or Ari, sorry.
I go, Ari, you've done the only thing I've seen shake Brian Holtzman.
I saw Brian after you did that, and Holtzman was like, I don't know.
joe rogan
But that's what he wants.
That's what Ari wants.
Mission accomplished.
joe derosa
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's like, you know, he's the real deal.
He's really fucking throws it all into the fire.
He runs right into the wood chipper.
Let's see.
joe derosa
Yes.
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I like it.
Like, he's thinking about like creatively, you hit like dips and you don't know what to talk about anymore.
And sometimes you need to go on a walkabout.
joe derosa
Yeah, I see him and I admire it greatly because it's so opposite of how I'm wired.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's not me either.
I don't dig it.
But he goes like months at a time with nothing but like a burner phone.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
No text message, no emails, no nothing.
joe derosa
I said to him yesterday, I go, I'm going to miss you, dude.
He's like, I'm going to miss you too.
And I go, I go, please stay in touch.
He goes, I go, please stay in touch.
He goes, he goes, I'll hit you up in a couple months with a number from another.
joe rogan
Yeah, he likes to do that.
joe derosa
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
But it works for him.
He's not faking it.
He genuinely enjoys doing it.
Yeah.
He's smart.
He's like, I got to throw my brain into a totally different environment every now and again and see what's really going on.
joe derosa
I think he likes the challenge that life can be.
Like, I think he likes the idea of Like, it's all about, if you don't face it, what's the point?
You know?
So I think he creates these incredible, it's so funny.
You know, when you discuss what he's about to do with certain people, some people go, that's insane.
What?
And other people go, oh, my God, I admire it so good.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
It's sort of like the guy that killed the United Healthcare CEO.
Depending upon your perspective, it was either so fucking awesome or, oh, my God, they're going to start killing CEOs.
joe derosa
Luigi Shafir.
joe rogan
And he's so handsome.
joe derosa
Yes.
joe rogan
The thing about Luigi, though, is Luigi picked the right person to kill.
Not like meaning that guy.
I mean a healthcare executive.
You're going to get the least amount of sympathy.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
Not that individual one.
Look, you shouldn't kill anybody.
I can't believe I have to say this, but yeah, don't go shooting people.
joe derosa
I agree.
joe rogan
But also, like when you realize how, you know, Ben Askren, I don't know who his healthcare provider was, but Ben Askrin, he developed some kind of crazy pneumonia and then it became necrotic.
So it like ate holes in his lungs.
joe derosa
Okay.
joe rogan
He's 40 years old.
So former UFC fighter, former Bellator champion, elite athlete, fantastic wrestler.
Had to get a double lung surgery, double lung replacement surgery at 40.
And insurance didn't want to cover it.
joe derosa
It's insane.
It's insane.
joe rogan
What are you talking about?
He's going to die.
Like, he doesn't have lungs anymore.
He was on a fucking ventilator for months.
He didn't have lungs anymore.
joe derosa
I can't even fathom.
I just had a bunch of water damage.
My dishwasher leaked while I was away.
And I had a bunch of water damage in my condo that I had to get, obviously, fixed.
There was rotted wood and cottage mold and all this stuff.
And my insurance company gave me sort of what I needed to cover it.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe derosa
And I was furious.
I can't fucking imagine if you're in a situation like that where it's your health or if it's your home like with the people with the fires.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
joe derosa
I can't even imagine the fucking rage.
Like it's, it's, it's undefinable.
And they wouldn't cover.
So that's.
joe rogan
It's such a weird game they're playing.
Their businesses pay you as little as possible and get you to give them money every month so that maybe if something happens, they'll pay for it.
Maybe, but maybe not.
joe derosa
I have a friend.
joe rogan
Maybe not.
Maybe not.
Maybe you need a double lug transplant.
And they're like, nope, we're not going to cover that.
That's too much money.
joe derosa
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Come to court or figure it out.
joe derosa
Insurance has become buying the protection plan at Best Buy.
joe rogan
But no, Best Buy's protection plan is way better.
It's way better.
If you buy like a new Samsung Galaxy phone, you buy the protection plan at Best Buy, and then it fucks up on you.
They give you a fucking brand new one.
They just have you fill out a little paperwork.
You show your receipt.
They shake your hand.
Thank you.
You say thank you to them and you leave.
It's fucking great.
Insurance Gamble's the craziest Gamble ever.
I'm going to pay you every month and hopefully you'll be kind enough to cover my insurance if something goes wrong.
joe derosa
It is fucking wild.
Dude, I have a friend who's a lawyer who has to often rep insurance companies in cases.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
joe derosa
And I said to him, I said, dude, with all due respect, I'm not coming at you.
I go, how do you sleep at night?
You know, it's a tough position to be in.
And he said, he goes, here's how I justify it.
If I get the insurance company off or I save them some money, that does trickle down to the users with their premiums, making insurance continually as affordable as possible.
He goes, the second I lose for my client, they turn around and fuck everybody even more.
So he's like, that's the one little silver lining with it, like, I guess, you know?
But that's a very sad.
joe rogan
That's a weird silver lining.
That sounds like someone trying to cope.
unidentified
Doesn't it?
joe rogan
It totally sounds like I have to kill some people.
There's an overpopulation problem, Joe DeRosa.
So we're going to have to go around and kill people.
That's what that sounds like to me.
It's like, what?
It'll make it better for everybody else.
There'll be less resources being depleted by the people we kill.
Like, what?
joe derosa
Do you think that there's.
His is more job injury style.
joe rogan
I know, and it's so gaslighty.
It's so gaslighty.
unidentified
If we fuck these people over, it'll be better for everybody else.
joe rogan
Because then you could feed the demons.
The demons would be appeased.
joe derosa
God, you know, I never thought of it that way.
And I had a feeling as I was saying it, you were going to flip it into a thing that was going to leave me disturbed.
And it has.
joe rogan
If there's anything demonic, like people don't want to think about demonic, like they don't want to think like, oh, there's like a devil with a pitchfork and a fucking tail with a pointy end to it.
But like, what is demonic behavior?
Like, if you know that someone's going to die, but you can deny them coverage because you just can make some sort of subjective decision whether or not this person should get coverage.
And then you know they're going to die and they've been paying for insurance for years.
How do you do that?
That's like a pact with it.
Like you could just sign here and then they're covered.
And then they get this operation.
You do everything you can to help them.
And then everybody loves your company.
Or you could say, I just want the money now.
It's dark.
It's just, there's no pitchforks.
There's no brimstone.
So you don't think, you know, you don't think it's demonic.
joe derosa
The thing that leaves me without hope, and I am not a very hope-filled individual, but the thing that leaves me without, with, with even less hope every day is I feel like the culture and people in all positions, you know, yours is, we're talking a very macro example of the thing.
I find that more and more people every day put themselves, they position themselves in a way where they say, I will not be accountable and I will force you to be the one that has accountability to hold me to something.
And until you hold me to something where I cannot squirm or pivot in any way, at that point I will then be accountable.
And I feel that more and more people operate like that, obviously on a corporate level, but also an individualistic level.
It makes me very, very sad.
It's like having so many people that you encounter in your life, sometimes it's friends.
And you're sitting there going, really?
I have to be the adult?
I have to sit you down as a 48-year-old man and say to you, what you're acting like right now is fucked up.
Why do I have to do that with you?
Because you're not going to do it.
So I guess I have to.
And the more that you try to hold yourself to accountability, and I'm not patting myself on the back in any way, but I find that burden grows and grows and grows.
And you just start to get to this place where you're like, what the fuck is going on?
It's like an epidemic of ethics at a certain point.
joe rogan
Especially if you get indoctrinated into a real cutthroat corporate environment.
You know, those guys can justify a lot of stuff because that's in the culture.
Like our culture is talking shit to each other.
Like the way we talk shit to each other, like there's a lot of people in a lot of other jobs that would have a giant problem with what you and I think is awesome.
Like if you cracked on me and it was fucking awesome and we're all howling, like I could get you in real trouble if we were accountants.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
If we're accountants, that'd be a giant problem.
Yeah.
So we're used to fucking with each other and we're used to laughing about stuff and we're used to saying ridiculous shit that we don't really mean just for fun.
And most people aren't.
So this is our culture.
This would freak like if you got normies and you brought them into the green room of the mothership and we're all just hanging out one night just talking and having fun, you'd probably freak them out that people talk like this.
Like, Jesus Christ, you guys are at work and you talk like this?
This is crazy.
joe derosa
It's why comics get, I've seen people get very offended who aren't comics that get brought into a green room.
joe rogan
Right.
joe derosa
And the comics are kind of ignoring them or making it very clear we don't want you in here.
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe derosa
And people think that that's the comics thinking who the fuck they are.
It's not.
It's like, guys, we have a thing we do.
You're not part of it.
You're not going to understand it.
And I've seen more than once somebody get offended by something we're saying who shouldn't have been in here in the first place.
joe rogan
It's usually someone's boyfriend or girlfriend.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe derosa
Mormons always.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I'm trying to be nice.
joe derosa
It's someone's girlfriend.
joe rogan
I've been once with a guy.
But you got to count it.
You got to count it.
joe derosa
Yeah.
Once in 1968, a man got offended at a green room.
joe rogan
There's some guys that are just notoriously make bad decisions, and then they bring their bad decisions around for everybody else to revel in.
joe derosa
God, almighty.
I mean, is there anything worse?
joe rogan
right, but this is just our culture.
That's the most minor of things to worry about.
Someone fucking up the vibe of the green room with dopey talk, which is fine, which is fine.
But it's so much better than in that cutthroat.
It literally rewards sociopathic behavior.
Like, to be a person who thinks entirely on the bottom line of the company, this is my job as a blah, blah, blah.
You know, my job is to make sure that we make more money every fucking quarter period, end of discussion.
And then you get in that mindset, and that's what you're trying to do.
And everybody else is trying to do that too.
So they're all fucking each other over.
And then what's the ultimate form of that?
Politics.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
The ultimate form of that.
The ultimate form of fucking everybody over and making the biggest exaggerations and lying the most about people and using the most leverage.
It's wild to watch, man.
joe derosa
And what you're describing is, you know, it's quintessential Rod Serling shit.
It's when people, it comes down to survival.
Because eventually, that to me is what the technique is and how you get it to keep working in your favor if you're the asshole at the top of the food chain, right?
You say, if I make people desperate enough, they will do desperate things to keep the situation that they feel now privileged to have or lucky to have.
And you get people.
Did you ever see a Twilight Zone where the guy has the bunker?
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe derosa
And he tells the neighbors, I keep telling you, build a nuclear bunker.
You're going to need it.
They're all making fun of him.
And then the thing comes over the radio as they're talking at dinner.
There are nuclear missiles on the way, whatever.
And he goes to his bunker and they're all at his door, like let us in.
He goes, I told you guys you should have made a bunker.
There's only enough room in here for me and my family.
And they kick his door in and they turn on each other and they start getting racial with each other.
Right?
And then at the end, it was a false alarm.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
And now everybody's revealed.
joe derosa
Everybody's sitting there, yeah.
And they're like, well, sorry about that.
He's like, no, there's no turning back from this, you know?
But that's what it is.
It's people get so desperate.
It's survival.
And as long as they feel that fear, that threat that my weekly paycheck might be cut off from me and that starts the chain of dominoes to my children starving or whatever it is.
People do some really foul fucking shit, man.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
joe derosa
You know, some really foul fucking shit.
You know, I feel very lucky that we're in several different ways.
You know, we're all operating sort of at different levels of this crazy industry we're in.
But all of us in this circle that we now all exist in in comedy, it's like we all get to be independently employed, independently sufficient.
And I think that allows you to potentially live a better life, you know?
joe rogan
It's just a better way of life for sure.
Well, at least for us.
But the thing is, some people, they genuinely like coding.
You know what I mean?
So it's like, unless you can get a job off-site where they let you, they don't even let you do that anymore.
Now they're making people go back to work, which is so interesting.
Because there was a few people that fucked it up for everybody else, probably.
It was like a bunch of lazy people who fucked off and didn't really do their work and kind of like half-assed everything because they were at home in their fucking pajamas and they didn't want to go back to work.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe derosa
Yeah.
There are guys out there that are like, I love being a janitor.
What do you want me to do?
I got to go work somewhere.
joe rogan
It's just people saying they don't want to go back to the office.
That to me is a wild one.
Like, yo, everyone always had to work in an office.
There was a reason.
You go there, that's to work.
When you're at home, you could be staring at your phone.
You could be jerking off.
How many reporters got caught jerking off to Zoom calls?
You can't just leave people alone.
They'll pretend they're doing as good a job.
They're not.
They got to go to the office.
That's why all the people that are super ambitious, like psycho Elon Musk type characters, you got to go to the fucking office.
joe derosa
You know, dude, yeah, and it's, I have mixed feelings about the office thing because I worked in offices at one point.
I understand somebody saying, dude, it was soul deadening.
unidentified
The overhead lights, the gray cubicles right up, right?
joe rogan
Oh, I get it.
joe derosa
So I get like, I don't want to be in that environment.
It sucks.
But now you see offices, I talk about this in my act a little bit.
It's like, now they make them fun.
There's like ping-pong tables and shit like that.
I don't like that either.
I think that creates the wrong vibe at work.
joe rogan
Severance.
Right?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe derosa
It should be just soul-deadening enough that you feel like I must work.
joe rogan
Yes.
joe derosa
But maybe not.
I want to hang myself.
joe rogan
God.
joe derosa
You know?
And I think all that beanbag chairs in the office shit is a fucking fishing lure.
joe rogan
What did you do when you were an office worker?
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joe derosa
The last one I had was I worked for the Texas Senate in Texas.
I worked for the...
joe rogan
I was waiting for you to finish this.
This is interesting.
I didn't want to.
joe derosa
Give it away.
No, I worked for the Texas Senate.
I worked for the Senate Media Department during the 76th legislative session or the 77th.
unidentified
No shit.
joe rogan
What'd you do with them?
joe derosa
So I went to college for production, video and audio production.
And I got out of school.
And at the time, I graduated in 2000, so it was right after that whole Tarantino Robert Rodriguez indie film boom happened.
And I said, That's what I want to do.
I want to work in independent film.
I'm going to, I want to do that.
I want to write scripts.
I want to direct movies.
I want to create like in that space.
So I said, Well, I keep hearing about this Austin, Texas.
Robert Rodriguez is from there.
Who's the guy?
Slacker.
The guy did Slacker and Dazed and Confused.
Richard Linkletter.
Yeah, Richard Linkletter.
He was from here.
And I'm like, well, those guys are doing stuff down there.
And, you know, I had no fucking concept how any of it worked.
So I moved down here.
I met a few people that had the same interest.
I was like, yeah, this is what I want to do.
Immediately they were like, yeah, get in fucking line, buddy.
joe rogan
Good luck.
joe derosa
So I got a job.
For a little while, I was working at like the PBS or whatever, the government TV station over here, whatever the hell it was.
joe rogan
Mike Judge is out here, too.
Don't forget that.
joe derosa
Oh, yeah, Mike Judge, yes.
And I was working there and you're, you know, it was brutal.
You're holding a camera for four hours in a studio as two people talk about, you know, fucking, I don't know, new county lines and shit.
Your neck is burning.
It was miserable.
So I saw in the paper an ad back when you opened a newspaper to find a job and it said, help wanted, Texas Senate Media Department, we need a radio reporter.
And I was like, well, shit, man.
I'm already a performer because I was playing music and stuff.
And I already had an interest in comedy.
And I was like, and it's radio, so I know how to do production, whatever.
So I applied, and I got the job.
And the job was the Senate has its own media department.
And I was one of the people they sent to the Senate floor every single day for the legislative hearings.
And I had to take notes and do a radio show at the end of every day that surmised whatever happened that day.
And then you'd upload it to a server.
And then all these local radio stations in Texas would download it and play it as their news break.
And that's what I did every day.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
unidentified
And I sucked at it.
joe rogan
How long did you do it for?
joe derosa
For the whole session, which was like six or eight months or something like that.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
What are those people like?
joe derosa
Joe?
joe rogan
They party a lot, huh?
joe derosa
Like motherfuckers.
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
joe derosa
I've been hammered with Texas senators.
joe rogan
It's not just Texas.
It's kind of all of them.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe derosa
But I don't mean drunk.
I mean like hammered.
These guys would have catfish fries and keg parties.
joe rogan
Somebody left cocaine in the White House.
Remember?
Remember?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Somebody left fucking coke.
They brought Coke to the White House.
How did you do that?
How'd you get in with Coke?
joe derosa
Dude, I knew nothing.
joe rogan
Bro, have you seen Hunter Biden describing why crack is so good?
It's the greatest crack advertisement of all time.
joe derosa
No.
joe rogan
If crack wasn't terrible for you, this guy makes me want to try crack.
I'm not going to.
Don't do it.
I'm not giving any advice, but I'm saying this guy, like legitimately, this might be the best advertisement for crack of all time.
I'm going to send it to you, Jamie.
You're going to watch it.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe derosa
I'm excited for this.
joe rogan
I want to try crack.
joe derosa
He's the gift that keeps on giving.
joe rogan
Well, he's a lot smarter than people give him credit for.
I'll tell you that.
Like, he's talking, and one of the things he was talking about was why smoking things are so addictive, why smoking cigarettes are so addictive, and like the psychology behind it.
He's not dumb, but he's just a guy who, you know, became an addict.
And that fucks your whole life up.
It fucks you.
You become a subhuman when you're junkied out all the time and you're that dude who's like what he was doing, like making films and shit and driving with a gun.
Ah, he was fucking gone.
He was out there, dude.
joe derosa
Well, when you're an addict with money, it gets real wild.
unidentified
And your dad is one of the most famous people on the planet.
joe rogan
It's so crazy.
Listen to this.
hunter biden
The only difference between crack cocaine and cocaine is sodium hypercarbonate and water and heat, literally.
unidentified
That's it.
hunter biden
That's it.
unidentified
And those things are pretty much free if you go to like a science store.
hunter biden
you can go to your neighborhood convenience store How different is the experience?
Oh, it's vastly, vastly different.
And for real, I feel really reluctant to kind of have some euphoric discussion.
I know you're not asking me to do that, but have some euphoric discussion about crack cocaine.
unidentified
I think this might be kind of the opposite here.
hunter biden
Okay, no, it's the exact opposite.
I'm saying I don't want to have the experience of some euphoric recall.
That's how powerful crack cocaine is.
Does crack cocaine make you act any differently?
No.
Is it safer than alcohol?
Probably.
People think of crack as being dirty.
It's the exact opposite.
When you make crack, what you're doing is you're burning off all the impurities so that they bind with the sodium bicarbonate, which makes it smokable.
That's all.
You know, all of these actors and, you know, people in the past that talked about they had a problem with cocaine and free basing, they were smoking crack.
So straw on the stove is the same thing?
Not exactly, but close to it.
But it's a little bit different.
But anyway, my point about it, your point about it, which I think is true, is that there's a thing about crack that is really insidious.
And what it is, is that anytime, you know, I think one of the reasons that they believe that smoking cigarettes is so addictive is because it combines three really important things.
It's habit forming, there is an oral fixation, and there is a ritual combined with it.
And so the idea of hand to mouth is a habit and a fixation that we learn very early, even as children.
With a pacifier, with a spoon, with your thumb, to even to breastfeeding.
Okay, so really.
So I, and I don't want to get into the psychology of it because I'm no expert, but I do know this: is that you combine with that ignition combustion, and then you combine the ritual.
You have your cigarette in the morning, you have a cigarette when you get out of the car, you have your cigarette with your coffee.
Crack is that on steroids?
It's over and over.
There's a ritual to it.
There's a ritualized part of it.
The combination of all of those addictive behaviors together becomes like really powerful.
And the drug in and of itself is a more immediate euphoric sensation connected to it than, in my experience, cocaine alone.
unidentified
Does it require more frequency to maintain the high?
Yes.
hunter biden
Yes.
And the capacity to use more than you could otherwise with powdered cocaine, just physically, to be able to ingest it.
joe rogan
Okay.
We should give that guy credit.
Who's the dude who's interviewing him?
jamie vernon
Andrew Callahan, Channel 5.
joe rogan
Well, he nailed it.
He did a great job.
That's the best ad for Coke ever.
joe derosa
It's the best.
joe rogan
Best ad for crack ever.
And he could be president.
unidentified
How about that?
joe rogan
How about that?
joe derosa
That kid.
How about that?
joe rogan
He could.
No bullshit.
Hunter Biden, after all he'd been through.
Look, his dirty laundry's all out there.
We all see it.
He was a freak.
joe derosa
He, speaking of which.
joe rogan
He's smarter than his dad when his dad was young.
And he was a crackhead.
joe derosa
He spoke so eloquently about Crack just then.
joe rogan
What?
joe derosa
Ignition was the first one.
joe rogan
Yeah, Jesus.
joe derosa
And I forget the second word, but ignition, I was like, you got my ears here.
But I have a friend that smoked crack.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
I have a couple.
joe derosa
Yeah, and I said, what was it like?
Like, describe it to me.
And he goes, dude, he goes, the best way I could describe it is, imagine you are as horny as humanly possible.
You have a raging heart on.
And a woman sits down on your dick for two seconds and then plops off and walks away.
He goes, he goes, that sensation of the thrill of that, he goes, that's the only way I could think to kind of equate like what the charge of it is and how excited you are and how you feel you need to immediately do it again.
joe rogan
And when you do it again, do you get the same reaction or is it dumbed down?
joe derosa
That I don't remember what he said, but I got the impression that it's kind of like, you know, it's that just on repeat.
It's the broken record of that.
joe rogan
You can't dump it down and then big crashes.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I had a buddy in New York that smoked crack and he would have these giant crashes.
And one of the things that he would have to do is he would have to go to a store, like a liquor store, and get a 40 ounce of malt liquor.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
That was how he would calm himself down from the crack.
So like a lot of times I would pick him up.
I would even drop him off when he was buying his shit back then.
And then when I'd get him, he'd just be like pale like cardboard and had to drink malt liquor.
It was like he's about to have a fucking heart attack.
joe derosa
But by the way, that's all it takes is 140 ounce?
I don't think you'd need to fucking mainline a bottle of Jack Daniels to even out.
joe rogan
You would get a couple of 40s.
But 140 is really strong.
Those are things that are crazy strong.
Like malt liquor, okay.
It's kind of crazy that malt liquor is only in the hood.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Kind of crazy.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because there's a lot of beer that tastes like shit.
You know, it's not like malt liquor is like a fine Sam Adams ale.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, malt liquor's got a, it's, it's just there to get you fucked up, and if it's cold, it's tolerable.
Yeah.
Why is it way more popular in the hood?
joe derosa
Yeah, it's, well, it's usually very, 40s are usually very cheap.
It is malt liquor, but it's cheap.
We used to buy 40s when I was in college.
That's all we drank because it was cheap.
joe rogan
Right.
joe derosa
We used to drink a 40 called Camo.
The label was camouflage, the cheapest looking camouflage design ever.
And it said Camo in like the Army stamp.
It was $1.50 of $40, and it was 8.9% alcohol.
So college, it's perfect.
joe rogan
That's so sad.
joe derosa
There it is, baby.
joe rogan
I remember Old English.
I remember Old English.
And I remember, God, there was a bunch of them.
There was a bunch of those like giant malt liquors that everybody, what were the big name ones?
They were always in rap songs.
joe derosa
Oh, dude, OE.
joe rogan
Yeah, Old English is a big one.
joe derosa
8-Ball was...
unidentified
Cold 45.
joe rogan
That's right.
Yeah.
King Cobra.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe derosa
Herald.
joe rogan
Old English 800 is, that was the classic, the Old English 800.
joe derosa
Saint-Ides.
Yeah, Old English 800 was 8 Ball.
That was the Easy E song, 8 Ball.
joe rogan
Right, bro.
You drink that stuff, you will get fucked up.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, that's a weird gray area between liquor and beer.
You know what I mean?
joe derosa
It tastes like shh.
It tastes like you took bad beer and poured vodka in it.
joe rogan
It's so nasty.
But yet totally legal.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which I agree with.
I agree with.
Totally legal.
joe derosa
And I mean, but what you were saying, though, about you'll find it in the hood or whatever, it applies the same thing to college kids.
Dude, when you don't have a ton of cash and you want to get fucked up and for under $5, you can get two 40s.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, and you're blitzed.
joe derosa
You got yourself a night.
Yeah.
You got yourself a hell of a night.
joe rogan
Hell of a night.
joe derosa
But wait.
I said earlier, the sober thing.
What's that?
joe rogan
I said, bud, wait.
joe derosa
But wait, but wait.
I just saw the clip.
I remember you telling me in the green room that you stopped drinking.
And then I just saw the clip of you saying it to Ron White that you think you're done.
joe rogan
I mean, I would most certainly have a glass of wine at some point in time in my life.
But as far as regular drinking, drinking every week, I'm definitely done.
You feel better.
It's crazy.
I mean, it's such a simple thing.
Chris Williams did it first.
He was like the first guy that I know that's like a podcaster that just said it's been his biggest life hack, his change.
I was like, really?
That big of a deal?
And he's like, that big of a deal.
He's like, really?
It's like a remarkable change in the energy levels that you have.
Because you're not fucking poisoning yourself all the time.
joe derosa
Yeah.
I love it.
joe rogan
It's so fun.
It's the most fun.
joe derosa
It's the most fun.
joe rogan
It's so fun.
It's so fun to get a little tipsy.
joe derosa
That's what Ari.
I remember speaking to Ari.
Ari said that to me once because I remember when Ari got into like enjoying drinking.
And I go, because he didn't.
joe rogan
He didn't drink for a long time.
joe derosa
And I go, you like it now?
And he goes, it's the most fun thing.
And I was like, yeah, it's pretty fucking fun, man.
But I saw a kid in the coffee shop today.
I was waiting in line to order, and the kid in front of me turned around.
And he's like, hey, man, I love your comedy.
He was a nice kid.
And he goes, dude, are you sober too now?
All you guys are getting sober.
I was like, no, no, no.
joe rogan
All you guys.
That's funny.
They think like we move as a group.
joe derosa
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, they're all Republicans now.
joe derosa
The things I hear people apply to this comedy scene, I'm just like, what the fuck are you saying?
joe rogan
It's so dumb.
joe derosa
It's ridiculous.
It's ridiculous.
joe rogan
I read another article the other day about us being an anti-woke comedy scene.
joe derosa
Yeah, the thing about UCB coming in.
joe rogan
Like, look, why not just do great stuff?
Go do great stuff.
Don't worry about what we're doing.
And we're not anti-woke.
There's no anti-woke.
There's like a shit ton of left-wing comics at the mothership.
It's like, that's not what we're talking about.
We're not dwelling on that.
We're making fun of things.
joe derosa
That article upset me because when I saw the headline, I was excited because I used to do UCB shows in New York.
I did them in L.A. Yeah, and I did them in LA too.
And I was like, oh, cool.
UCB's coming.
Like, it'll be more stuff for the scene and stuff.
joe rogan
The scenes, it's always better if there's more in the scene.
But that's also, you got to realize like someone framing it in a way that's going to get people to read it.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then there's people that genuinely do think that way.
And it's what a lot of that is, I think, is the walled garden issue and the fact that there's like a walled garden, right?
When there's a walled garden, there's a bunch of people that are doing really well together and they're hanging out together and they have fun.
And you're not in that group.
You start getting mad at that and you find reasons why that's bad because, you know, you want something like that in your life, which we all do.
If I see like a whole group of friends like paling around and laughing, I always smile because I know what that's like.
I like it.
But if you never have that in your life and you see a group of people paling around and having a good time together and hugging each other and just laughing and just having a good old time, you feel like left out.
You feel like you feel disrespected almost.
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joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you get angry?
joe derosa
Do you remember like, I don't know if you ever experienced this, but I'm assuming you have.
It's kind of like when you're coming up the ladder initially in show business and you see famous people on TV and whatever, and you got an opinion about everybody that's having too much fun, that's annoying.
That guy's music sucks and this and that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe derosa
And then five years later, you find yourself in a room with the guy at some party and you meet him and talk to him and you go, what?
He's the nicest.
Why what the fuck?
unidentified
I think I like his music now.
joe rogan
It just changes.
It's so stupid.
But it's just a normal thing that people do.
We talk shit.
And then the problem now is you talk shit and you're just talking shit.
Like you and I would be talking the same way if we were in Mitzi's bar, just hanging out.
We'd be talking shit.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
And if someone records that and writes it down, it seems so much different than just regular talking shit, which is what everybody does.
joe derosa
Well, and that's one of the things I wrote down here that I wanted to say.
And I don't say it, I swear to you, I don't say it to blow smoke because it's your place and I get to work there a lot and all that stuff.
That's all beautiful.
I say this very genuinely, man.
When I swung in last night and everybody's at the, you know, hanging after Kill Tony and it's usually a fun time.
And Carrie was like, she's like, hey, babe, you want a shot?
And I go, no, no, not tonight.
I got to take it easy tonight.
And I go, I'm doing Joe's show tomorrow.
And dude, like the staff, everybody, the friends, everybody being like, dude, congrats.
Fucking special drop today.
You're doing Rogan tomorrow.
Dude, kill it.
Have fun, dude.
We fucking love you.
And I stepped back and I was like, this feels like family to me.
This is a beautiful thing.
Everybody's so supportive.
There's no backbiting.
There's no shit talking.
It's all fucking love.
So when I hear people say negative shit about the Austin scene, I'm like, I've found it to be a beautiful experience.
Like truly.
Like a truly heartwarming experience.
joe rogan
It's people that aren't in the scene.
That's all it is.
It's like people that are looking at it from the outside.
And it's not just us that are like this.
Like, my thought on all this shit is that my favorite people to hang out with are comedians.
And if you make an environment where comedians are really happy and everyone has a lot of gratitude, a lot of gratitude for what they're able to do with their life and that they have such great friends and they get to do sets and have fun and it transfers over to all the other people too.
It transfers over to the up-and-comers.
It transfers over to the staff.
Everybody is having a good time.
Everybody has a real positive attitude.
That's possible to do.
You don't have to start a call.
You don't have to, you just, you know, just make a place.
And you can do it.
It can be done.
We did it at the comedy store.
The comedy store was pretty fucking positive for the most part before we left.
And we do it here too.
And some people don't want to hang with comics.
They're lone wolves.
And that's fine, too, man.
That's not what it's about.
What it's about is making an environment where it's easiest possible for someone to thrive.
So you got a bunch of feedback from a bunch of other comedians.
You got a lot of up-and-coming talent that are like really killing it on stage and really trying to be heard and really writing new stuff all the time, performing all the time.
It's good for everybody.
It's like a big old pressure cooker.
It's like a wrestling room at Iowa State.
You know, it's like, oh, Jesus Christ.
Like, there's a bunch of killers in this fucking room.
That's good for everybody.
It's good for all of us.
I look at it the same way I look at sports.
I look at it the way I look at martial arts.
Like, what's the best way to get better?
You got to surround yourself with really good people.
Also, make a gym that has everything the fighters need.
Everything they need, like the UFC Performance Center or something like that, or Performance Institute, something like that.
Have a place where it has everything the fighters need.
So do that for comedy.
Just have it completely set up, financially the most beneficial for the comedians.
It's like treats people well.
Everybody gets, the whole business is designed to break even.
That's all it's designed to do.
joe derosa
It was awesome, particularly this past weekend, because I did Ari shows with him in Fat Man in the big room.
And then I was also doing Little Boy spots in between.
And it was so, like what you're talking about, the gym, right?
It's like, it was so fucking cool.
It's like you go into Fat Man, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
You know what I mean?
Then you go into Little Boy.
It's a little calmer, a little more quiet.
joe rogan
It's like you're in people's living room.
joe derosa
Yeah, you sit down on the stool, you talk a little slower.
I'm like, this is so good for growth in both areas.
joe rogan
Just like a gym.
Like you'd set up a gym.
It's a CrossFit gym.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, it's like over there you do your weights.
Over here you do your cardio.
Yeah.
joe derosa
Yeah.
It's it's it's great, man.
It's fucking great.
And the staff is just the staff is so awesome.
Like just the love of the staff is really a beautiful thing.
joe rogan
They're very cool people.
And a lot of them like Carrie and Adam and Jody, they all came from the store.
So everybody was unemployed, man.
So I scooped them up when they were all unemployed.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I said, let's have fun.
Let's put something crazy together.
joe derosa
Egan is the funniest.
joe rogan
He's the best.
joe derosa
He makes me laugh so hard.
He watched me the other night in Little Boy, and I came off stage, and he's like, good shit, man.
That's new shit.
And I go, I go, I'm super excited about this Russell Brand joke.
And he goes, yeah, yeah.
So then the next day he starts texting me and he goes, I couldn't sleep last night.
And I go, why?
And he goes, I'm just so excited about your new Russell Brand joke.
joe rogan
That really is how he thinks, though.
joe derosa
He goes, I can't sleep.
And I go, wait, you're joking, right?
And he goes, yes, I'm joking, you fucking idiot.
It was so funny, dude.
We were laughing so hard.
He's the best, man.
joe rogan
Well, he learned it from Norm, you know.
joe derosa
Yeah.
I mean, yeah.
joe rogan
But he really does love it.
Like, he really does love when people have new shit.
Like, he really was joking around, I'm sure, but he also looks forward to it a lot.
He loves, like, the development process.
And, you know, he gives really good advice.
Like, I've seen him give like really good advice to up-and-coming comics about, like, maybe this is what you need to concentrate on.
This is where you have, like, kind of a hole in your game, like how you're setting it up.
Maybe you have too many words.
Maybe you're this.
Maybe you're that.
Maybe you're looking down at the ground.
You need to look into the audience a little bit.
joe derosa
Yeah.
You know, I learned, excuse me, you're always learning, right?
But I just re-watched the Gary Shandling doc, the HBO one.
And he talks at the beginning of that.
He talks about when Mitzi Shore said to him, honey, you're not a comic.
You're not a comic.
You're a writer.
And then he was so determined to be a comic.
And he was like, and you're seeing his notes from his journals from that time.
And he's like, use your face.
Your expressions matter at these moments and your energy and the way you look.
And I was like, oh my God, man.
It's just, and then you watch his stand-up and you go, I can see what he's talking about.
You see him go like from this to like he worked at it.
And you're like, yeah, it's fucking fascinating.
joe rogan
You're not a comic.
You're a writer.
I can see her saying that.
Bro, if she said it to me, I'd quit.
I'd be like, fuck.
joe derosa
This is over.
Who was the guy that used to run the comic strip in New York?
Lewis?
Not Lewis.
The guy that passed away.
He had the mustache.
Do you remember who I'm talking about?
joe rogan
You mean the guy that got murdered?
joe derosa
No, no, no, no.
No, the guy.
joe rogan
No, that's at the stand.
joe derosa
Yes, that's Dave.
The comic strip.
joe rogan
Who passed away at the comic strip?
joe derosa
There was that guy that was kind of legendary in New York that ran the comic strip.
He was the booker.
And when you auditioned, you had to audition for him.
And then he would take you into a room and tell you.
Lucian.
joe rogan
Oh, Lucian.
Yes, that's right.
joe derosa
I remember I auditioned for him, desperately trying to get in anywhere in New York.
joe rogan
Oh, Lucian was brutal.
joe derosa
He brought me in the room.
He sat me down.
unidentified
He goes, what can I say?
joe derosa
I mean, some of the jokes work, but I don't believe you.
And then he goes, look at the way you dress.
You clearly have no pride in your appearance.
And I was like, Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was brutal.
I don't remember what he said to me, but it was also not favorable.
He would like occasionally give me spots, but I think he thought I was too dirty.
joe derosa
Oh, boy.
joe rogan
But I was 21.
I didn't have anything to say.
I had nothing to say.
joe derosa
How long were you in New York?
You were out of New York way before I came to New York, but how long were you in New York?
joe rogan
I left New York when I was 25.
Almost 26, I guess.
No, I had to be 26.
No, I was 26.
And then I came to California initially for this Fox show that I did with Jim Brewer.
Jim Brewer was the mascot for the other team.
It was a baseball team.
It was called Hardball.
joe derosa
Was it sitcom?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Terrible show.
Terrible show.
So I moved out here for that, and then that got canceled.
joe derosa
You know what's funny, dude?
I was saying this to all the boys out in the outside area here.
I got to tell Joe this because I keep forgetting to tell him.
Because I always forget, oh, he was on that show.
News radio during COVID saved my fucking life.
I swear to God.
joe rogan
Did you binge it?
joe derosa
I was so, I was living in an apartment that only had windows in the bedroom.
So I had no light in my apartment.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
joe derosa
It was a tenement building.
The hallway, I was telling the guys outside, I was like, the hallway.
joe rogan
You're trapped in a place with no light at all?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe derosa
The hallway in this building was, the hallway looked like the alley behind the Wuhan lab.
I was like, I was like, I'm going to get COVID from the fucking railing.
I was like, it was so gross.
Everybody was so freaked out.
Nobody knew what was going on in the beginning.
And I was like, dude, I'm trapped.
I'm alone.
This is the worst thing ever.
And my buddy Pat Walsh, who I do my, we'll see you on hell podcast with, he said, listen, man, have you seen news radio?
And I said, no, I've never seen it.
I missed it when it was on.
And he goes, look, Amazon's got the whole series right now for 20 bucks.
Just buy it and watch it.
And I bought it and I watched it.
And you, fucking Dave Foley, the best, Phil Hartman.
I was just Vicki Lewis.
joe rogan
Candy Alexander, Maura Tierney.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was a great cast.
joe derosa
It just took me because it was so fun.
It was so silly.
It was classic.
It reminded me of a better time because it was a little bit older because it was from the 90s.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was almost innocent.
joe derosa
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
That style of comedy.
It's so silly.
It's a fun thing to do.
And to be able to do it that way, like with those people, they were all so fucking good.
I had fucking zero acting experience.
I did a couple of episodes of that hardball show.
It was terrible.
Like I said, I wasn't good on it either.
I'm not a good actor.
joe derosa
No, you're not.
No, no, no, no, no.
No, I wasn't saying, no, you're not a good actor.
I'm saying, no, you're wrong.
I want to compliment you.
Sitcom multi-cam acting, multi-cam, is very different from single cam.
Multicam, in my opinion, is the hardest form of acting.
joe rogan
No, dude, you're doing it in front of a crowd.
It's like stand-up.
It's not that hard.
You know, when you've got a good one, when you've got a good punchline, and you can look Andy Dick in the face and say, because it says it on the label, like whatever it is, and you know it's going to get a big laugh, it's just like doing stand-up.
Like comics thrive in those multicam sitcoms.
That's why they kept giving them to like Roseanne, Seinfeld, Brett Butler.
They wanted Tim Allen, everybody that could do stand-up could do that kind of in front of an audience acting.
joe derosa
See, I think you're not giving yourself enough credit.
I think I agree with you the idea that if the joke's there, you can land it.
But think about it like this with stand-up, right?
You know, Woody Allen once said, I used to think it was as easy as just writing a good joke, and if I said it, it was fine.
And he goes, then I realized that wasn't the case.
I had to write good jokes that were of my personality.
And that's why I'm so enamored by guys that are good at multicam sitcom acting because they're writing something for a character you're playing.
And it's knowing how to land the joke, but also making it believable.
I'm in awe of Kevin James.
joe rogan
Oh, he's the man.
joe derosa
I'm in awe of him.
You watch King of Queens, and I'm like, Jesus Christ, he delivered that line that nine out of 10 other people, it would be in no way organic or believable, that choice he just made.
And he does it in a way where you believe that's actually who this person is, and it gets a laugh.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was one of the last of the great sitcoms.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
Because like, when did the sitcom officially die?
The only one who has a sitcom right now that I know is Miss Pat, and hers is on the BET app.
Yeah.
But who else?
Who else do you know that has a sitcom?
joe derosa
No, but my buddy Pat, I just mentioned, works on that show, actually.
joe rogan
Well, Shane has a sitcom, but St. Shane Tires is not really a sitcom.
It's a single cam comedy show.
joe derosa
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It's not a situation comedy, right?
Is it?
joe derosa
Well, it is.
joe rogan
Is it a sitcom, technically?
joe derosa
It is.
Yes, but it's a single cam.
Like, the multi-cam is the traditional whatever.
But I think it died.
I was watching, I also watched this later during COVID, Rules of Engagement, which was David Spade's last sitcom.
It was him and Patrick Warburton.
I don't know if you remember that show.
joe rogan
Patrick Warburton was on News Radio a bit, too.
He did a couple episodes.
joe derosa
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I forget how many he did.
joe derosa
But that show came out in like, I think it ended in like 2017-ish.
joe rogan
That was probably the last one.
joe derosa
2013.
2013.
unidentified
Wow.
joe derosa
So you watch it, and they're getting jokes in where you're like, you can tell two years later they wouldn't have allowed any of these jokes.
joe rogan
You know what a show that I used to shit on until I watched it?
It was a really good show, and I feel bad that I used to shit on it.
Big Bang Theory.
joe derosa
Yeah, Big Bang Theory is funny.
joe rogan
It's funny, man.
It's a good show.
It's that kind of a thing.
Like, if that's what you want, you want like a fun sitcom.
That's a fun sitcom, man.
And I had always thought it was crap.
I had always heard it was crap.
And I had made this judgment on it based on other people's opinions of it.
joe derosa
And we were talking earlier about what people hate on something.
Big Bang Theory, one of the most hated on sitcoms.
joe rogan
You know, it went forever.
joe derosa
Went forever.
joe rogan
Was the number one show in the world.
joe derosa
I worked with Johnny Galecki.
He was the fucking man.
The coolest dude ever had.
joe rogan
Which one's he?
joe derosa
He's the kid that was on Roseanne, the guy with the glasses.
He was kind of like the main dude outside of Sheldon.
Do you know what I'm talking about?
joe rogan
Oh, right, right, right.
Yes, yes, yes.
joe derosa
The man.
I got drunk with him and fell down the stairs of his house.
joe rogan
Oh, luckily you didn't need insurance.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
That would have been another story.
And then they fucked me over.
Bro, speaking about getting fucked over, you want to hear a story that I read today?
Jamie, find out if this is true, but I'm pretty sure it is.
There was a guy who decided that he was going to leave Texas because of the woke direction that America is going in.
And so he decides to go to Russia because there's some guy, some American set up like an expat community in Russia.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
And this guy goes in there and then they conscript him for the army and send him to the front line.
Father, who moved from family from Russia to escape woke America is sent to the front line.
joe derosa
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Bro.
That's a crazy story.
joe derosa
That's insane.
joe rogan
With his family, with his wife and his daughters.
He just moves there, doesn't know anything about the culture, and all of a sudden you're in the army.
joe derosa
That's it.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're in the army.
We need you.
joe derosa
And by the way, fed up with woke America, I would think Texas is a place where...
joe rogan
Like, if you fucking...
You need to go spend a couple months in Silver Lake.
You think Texas is too woke?
joe derosa
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
Go hang out in the East Village for a couple weeks.
joe derosa
Oh, my God.
Yeah, yeah.
I lived in Silver Lake.
unidentified
It is fascistly woke in Silver Lake.
joe rogan
Insufferable.
Everybody needs antidepressants.
No one has any vitamin D. They're all rotting out from the inside.
They're all overwhelmed with anxiety, trying to control everyone's speech and behavior and every fucking flag that you can possibly wave for what you support.
What are we on this week?
What are we doing this week?
Everyone's fucking nuts.
joe derosa
I think a city, that was always one of my big gripes with life in LA, or more specifically Hollywood.
I think a city where you have to drive to get to the bar, you got a problem because nobody's able to just go out the front door, go down the street, and just have some fun.
Everything is, it's got to be planned.
It's got to be this, it's got to be that.
It's hard to park.
Yeah.
So nobody cuts loose.
joe rogan
Also, you're always in your car.
So you're always isolated from other people until you integrate.
And then you're back to my isolation.
And in New York, you have to integrate.
Like, you just, you get on the subway, you walk down the street, everybody's there with everybody.
unidentified
Yep.
joe derosa
Dude.
joe rogan
There's something to be said for that.
joe derosa
There is.
I always, when I lived in LA, I said the reason I don't like L.A., I always said the ultimate goal of people in L.A. is isolation.
The ultimate goal of people in New York is integration.
In L.A., the big dream is what?
Yeah, the house way up in these hills.
joe rogan
The big old gate with dogs and fucking dudes on sniper posts.
joe derosa
Yeah, yeah.
Guys being like, I got an eye scanner on my house.
joe rogan
Turrets with machine guns.
joe derosa
Yeah, yeah.
And the only people, and then they have these parties in LA where they hire a staff to create the environment of a bar in their home.
So now they've created, there's like catering waiters walking around and shit.
And you're like, guys, I'm just trying to play beer pong and like, get fucked up.
Like, what is this?
joe rogan
Right.
It's so weird.
joe derosa
But New York, you could be top floor Trump Tower.
Guess what?
You walk out the front door, you're going to the same shit newsstand that I'm going to.
You're getting your coffee from the same fucking place.
joe rogan
That's another thing New York still has.
Newsstands.
joe derosa
Yes.
joe rogan
People still buy the newspaper.
joe derosa
Isn't that what?
joe rogan
The actual newspaper.
I wonder what percentage of newspapers get sold in New York City.
joe derosa
That's a great question.
joe rogan
Because nobody's buying newspapers anymore.
joe derosa
No.
joe rogan
Like, what percent, is it possible to find out when New York Times give that information out?
Like, what percentage of the New York Times, when it's consumed in paper form, is purchased in New York City?
joe derosa
It's probably the most out of anywhere, right?
Because there's so many old school New Yorkers that are like, this is how you read the news.
That's part of their life.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
joe derosa
Getting the Times every morning.
joe rogan
Those people are a problem.
Those people don't know they're getting fucked.
They don't know the internet.
unidentified
They haven't made their way through Reddit yet.
joe derosa
Billy Connolly.
joe rogan
They haven't seen the Fauci memes.
joe derosa
Billy Connolly had this joke after he got sober where he was talking about living in New York.
And he goes, every morning, my routine is I walk to the newsstand, I buy a cup of coffee, and the morning edition of the New York Times, my life is a ball of fire.
And then the funniest part of the joke is he said there was the same homeless guy every day that he would give money to.
And he said, one day the homeless guy goes, you know, you don't have to give me money every day.
And he goes, I know I don't, you little fucking cunt.
joe rogan
Jesus.
It's better with a Scottish accent, right?
joe derosa
It is.
Yeah, it is.
joe rogan
There's something to be said for living jammed up with people.
But I think ultimately the problem is it's just overstimulation.
I don't think it's good for peace of mind.
I think it's good for energy.
It's one of the things that my friends that love it there, they all talk about like my friend Jeff, who's been there forever.
He's like, I love the energy of the city.
I'm like, really?
Energy.
joe derosa
New York's one of those places, man, I loved it.
God, I loved it.
And I still have a lot of love for the city.
It wasn't for me to live in anymore.
But I always said, like, New York is one of those cities.
Whenever you get there, doesn't matter what year it is, when you get there, that begins your impression of the best version of New York.
And eventually, might take five years, might take two decades, might take 30 years, whatever.
Eventually, you're going to say this isn't what it used to be anymore.
But there's a crop of people coming in right at that time that are saying this is the best place ever.
30 years from now, they're going to say they're tired of it or whatever.
joe rogan
Listen, buddy, 30 years from now, we're all going to be serving robots.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
So all this good old days stuff, we are the last people that are going to talk about the good old days.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
We're the last ones.
joe derosa
Yeah.
And I agree with you.
We'll be serving robots.
Not robots are going to be.
joe rogan
I remember people used to talk about the good old days of Times Square.
And I was always like, you're crazy.
Like, you want Times Square to be filled with criminals and peep shows and fucking drug dealers.
And it was super sketchy.
joe derosa
Right.
joe rogan
Super sketchy.
And then I saw it the way it is now where it's a giant Applebee's.
And I was like, oh, they were right.
It's all, you know, it's like, it's one of those things, like, you see where it's going.
You see where it's going.
You're like, you guys don't understand.
This is going in a terrible direction.
These are just the first steps of something going in a terrible direction.
Like at first, you think it's good because there's no more peep shows, there's no more street hustlers and scary people trying to rob people.
But now you have the corporatization of one of the literally the wildest places in New York City was Times Square.
It was a wild-ass crazy place.
joe derosa
Yeah.
What you want to me, the analogy is you want the perfect dive bar.
That's what we all want.
Feels comfortable, little gritty, but I feel okay.
Once in a while, you'll go, let's find a dive bar, and you walk in and there's too many boxes in the corner and nothing works.
And you're like, something's not right here.
There was one we used to go to at LA.
There was a motel upstairs and the bar downstairs only served two things, Modello and Corona.
And we were like, there is some sort of pimping operation or something happening in here.
It's too much.
joe rogan
There's a lot of places like that that you know are losing money.
You're like, oh, is it Chinese triads on this?
Like, who owns this fucking business?
Like, how is this business still open?
joe derosa
Yeah, yeah.
But you want perfect dive bar vibes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe derosa
You know, when it's too, New York, Times Square now is like, it's like going to a bar in Epcot Center.
And you're like, oh, God, this has no pulse.
I didn't want it this clean.
Not this clean.
joe rogan
When I was a kid, I used to play pool in New York at Chelsea Billiards.
It's a 24-hour pool hall that was known throughout the world as a place where the best pool players in New York City would go and gamble.
So I'd go there two, three o'clock in the morning, any given night, and you would find some of the best players in the world matching up, playing pool for money.
joe derosa
Wow.
joe rogan
Ooh, it was amazing.
And it was just 24-7.
It was open all the time.
So there was guys who were street hustlers, who were pool hustlers, who would sleep under the tables.
There was a bunch of people there that were really talented pool players, but they were basically homeless.
And they would just run around.
And my friend that I was telling you about that smoked crack, that's how I knew him.
He was basically a homeless crackhead who was a genius pool player.
Yeah.
joe derosa
Did you ever get to play against any of the big guys?
joe rogan
Yeah, I got my ass kicked.
I played at a bunch of tournaments.
I wasn't nearly good enough back then to play against those guys.
I was just learning pool, but I was fascinated by it.
But it was just the place, the kind of thing that you'd have in New York City, there was all these different places we could go.
We could go to like 10, 15 places that were pool halls in New York City.
There were 24 hours.
And you would go there, and this one was a complete Chinese-owned place.
You would go there, and like some of them you would go to.
Not Chelsea, but some of them you would go to.
They were off the beaten path.
You'd go there.
Everyone spoke Chinese.
They had Chinese on the wall.
They did speak a little bit of English.
You could pay them for table time.
You go and play.
And you watch these dudes gambling there, too.
joe derosa
That version of New York, I think, is probably, I would think, extinct.
joe rogan
It's not worth enough money.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So the thing is, if you could put some Louis Vuitton store in the place where that used to be, that's going to make a lot more money.
joe derosa
Of course.
joe rogan
CD 24-hour pool hall that charges $20 an hour for table time.
That's ridiculous.
How you getting rich?
How you getting rich off $20 an hour table time.
joe derosa
The Louis Vuitton store also doesn't have crackheads sleeping under their purses.
joe rogan
But it was so fun, man.
It was like to be a young man and to be around all those people was like a very, it was a very interesting experience because although I knew it wasn't healthy for them and I knew it wasn't a smart way to live your life, the fact that they were like dedicated to never doing anything but what they were doing.
And they were smart people, man.
unidentified
Yeah, that's, that's, it's, it's fucking weird.
joe derosa
Commitment is admirable, but that turns into a zone where you're like, this is, this is dark.
unidentified
This is dark.
joe rogan
It was totally dark.
joe derosa
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
But they just didn't fit.
They didn't fit.
Okay.
Just like you barely fit in that Senate office.
They didn't fit at all.
They just couldn't do it.
They have ADHD, stepmom, beat them with a belt, whatever the fuck it was.
They're not going to fit.
They're not going to fit in whatever corporate cookie cutter life.
But they had a place in pool halls where they could hang out with other misfits.
That was like a big part of the charm of the place.
It was a magnet for misfits.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe derosa
And now they're all DoorDash delivery guys, probably.
joe rogan
They're probably dead.
A lot of them are dead.
A lot of dudes that I used to play with are dead.
joe derosa
One of the things that I cherish most about my New York experience was when I first got there, it was how I became friends with Attel.
Dave liked to go out back then, you know, and Insomnia or Insomniac was on the air, that show he hosted where he would, you know, go out into the cities.
joe rogan
And get bliterated.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe derosa
So Dave, I liked to drink and Dave was like, Joe, man, you're a nice kid.
Come out with me.
And he would take me to these after hours.
He knew every fucking after-hours.
jamie vernon
Of course.
joe rogan
Of course.
joe derosa
He had a fucking blast.
And Attel was classic.
He was like, Batman.
You'd be doing shots with him for three hours and you'd turn around and he was gone.
joe rogan
Didn't want to say goodbye.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fuck this.
I'm just leaving.
joe derosa
Yeah, and you're literally like, I'm on Avenue D, I think.
Where the fuck am I?
joe rogan
And he didn't have GPS back then either.
joe derosa
No GPS, no Uber.
joe rogan
No Uber.
joe derosa
No Uber.
And broke comic, couldn't afford cabs.
So trying to figure out how to subway back to Queens, where I live.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
At 3 in the morning.
joe derosa
Oh, my God.
3, sometimes 5, 6.
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
That's the other thing.
Bars in New York City open until 4 a.m.
joe derosa
Yeah, that's getting lesser and lesser too, though, isn't it?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
When we opened.
joe rogan
But it's legal still.
joe derosa
When we opened.
joe rogan
Is Joe legal still?
joe derosa
Yes, it is.
But when we opened Joey Rose's, we got a liquor license because there's a bar component.
And when we went in for the liquor, I learned so much about a liquor license when we did that.
You probably did too when you opened Mothership.
There's like all these rules.
Like, okay, you're allowed to serve till midnight on these nights, but not till two.
And we'll let you go to two on these nights, but not till four.
And if you want to go till four, it has to be in this type of location where this type of activity will never happen, meaning like a DJ that can offend neighbors because of the base or it's got to be situated in a way where people will not be congregating outside because the venue is large enough to hold them.
There's all this shit, but like that 4 a.m. shit is going away.
I don't think they want it in New York anymore because of, you know, people get fucked up and they're puking outside, and then the residents are getting pissed off.
joe rogan
What do you think is going to happen if this, how do you say his name?
Mondani guy?
joe derosa
I don't know how to say his name, but I don't know.
joe rogan
Is that how you say his name, Jamie?
jamie vernon
Zoron?
Mom Donnie.
joe rogan
Say it again.
jamie vernon
Zoran.
Almost like the movie, I think.
joe rogan
Say the whole name?
jamie vernon
Mom Donnie.
joe rogan
I'm going to use that as my ringtone from now on.
joe derosa
Mom Donnie.
joe rogan
You saying that?
unidentified
Mom Donnie.
joe derosa
I admittedly know very little about this guy.
All I really know is half the people seem excited and half the people seem like it's the worst thing ever.
So par for the course, I guess, in politics.
joe rogan
Well, young people are very excited.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Young people think we're going to give communism a try.
Yay, let's see what happens.
I know he wants to jack up a lot of taxes for businesses.
I don't understand business enough to comment on that.
I don't know whether that would be beneficial overall for the net good of everybody or not.
But I'm always skeptical when they want more money.
joe derosa
Does he want to jack up taxes on all businesses or just certain level businesses?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I think he wants to change the tax code in New York to be the same for businesses as it is for New Jersey, which is a little higher.
Believe it or not, New Jersey is a little higher than New York.
joe derosa
That city is making it, in my opinion, absolutely impossible for mom-and-pop businesses to continue to function.
And it's starting to happen more and more everywhere.
joe rogan
That's a shame because that's one of the coolest things about New York City is that you can go into these little mom-and-pop shops.
We went to a sandwich shop.
I wish I could remember the name of it near where Taylor Swift's house is.
Taylor Swift used to own a house there.
This is how we know that.
There was a bunch of gals.
We parked over in the corner.
We parked on the street to eat our sandwiches.
And we're like, what the fuck is going on at that house?
And there's all these girls would pause in front of the house and they would get pictures taken.
They would, you know, have like their perfect angle and look cute in front of Taylor Swift's house.
So these fucking poor people that used to, you know, they bought this house thinking this is a dope house.
They might not have even known.
Or they thought it would be cool.
It used to be Taylor Swift's, but everyone's going to know it's not anymore, so no big deal.
No, they take pictures in front of your house every day.
joe derosa
That's so funny.
The juxtaposition of those images, a bunch of hot chicks posing perfectly, and then a bunch of dudes in a hot car eating hoagies.
joe rogan
From like the most classic old school Italian deli that we found in wherever that area is.
joe derosa
What?
You do remember the part of town at all?
joe rogan
I don't.
I could find it.
If I wanted to go through my phone, I could find it because I sent it to my friend Tommy when we were going down there.
joe derosa
I feel like I have to know the place you're talking about.
It's probably a place I've been.
I feel like I've been to every sandwich place in New York City.
joe rogan
Anyway, it was good.
joe derosa
Yeah.
I'm sure.
joe rogan
It was really good.
joe derosa
I'm sure.
joe rogan
And it's a mom-and-pop spot that's been there since like 19 fucking 60 or some shit.
joe derosa
Yep.
joe rogan
You know, been there forever.
joe derosa
I mean, look at Katz's now, dude.
Part of this is tourism.
Their sandwiches are $29 fucking dollars.
joe rogan
Shut up and pay them.
They've been around since the 1800s.
Stop being a bitch.
It's worth it.
It's worth 50 bucks.
The greatest fucking sandwiches on the known planet.
When you go there at 2 o'clock in the morning and you get a fucking pastrami Rubin from Katz Deli at 2 o'clock in the morning with the steak fries.
Oh my gosh.
joe derosa
It's a nice lifesaver late night.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
joe derosa
I was a big Carnegie deli guy.
Carnegie's great.
They're gone.
joe rogan
Yeah, they went under.
joe derosa
They're gone too.
joe rogan
No, Jerry's famous deli in L.A. was amazing.
I think they're all gone.
I think they closed a bunch of them.
They closed the one near where I used to live in Woodland Hills.
And then they closed the one in Studio City, I believe, which was the big one.
joe derosa
Wait, is Jerry's...
The one that had the godmother, the Italian sandwich that everybody loved and everybody goes down near the beach, I think.
joe rogan
I don't know that story.
joe derosa
I think.
joe rogan
You're in the restaurant business, son.
You know restaurant rumors and gossip.
And you're like, you know the one?
The code violation?
unidentified
Like, what?
joe rogan
What fucking Google news feed are you on?
You're on a different Google news feed.
joe derosa
You know restaurants per Taylor Swift.
That's your barometer.
You're like, it's this close to Taylor Swift's house.
That's all I know.
joe rogan
I just imagine being those poor people.
What is it?
Got BC Delhi.
joe derosa
Something just happened where they shut down something.
joe rogan
That's in L.A.?
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they got in trouble for something?
joe derosa
I don't know if they got in trouble.
I want to make sure I'm not speaking out of school here.
Yeah, health department.
joe rogan
They were shut down for what?
joe derosa
I think they were pretty, That's never good.
joe rogan
Oh, that's not good.
They got hit with rats.
joe derosa
God, that's a good thing.
joe rogan
See, everybody hates the coyotes in L.A. But if you don't have coyotes, you have rats.
You have a lot more rats than you do have.
You need them to keep the...
jamie vernon
Temporary closure.
We're going to reopen.
joe derosa
Okay.
joe rogan
They're going to kill all the rats.
joe derosa
I hope they fix it.
I'll tell you, that's the thing I never expected in New York.
joe rogan
Rats?
joe derosa
Yeah, it's like you open a food place in New York.
If you open anything in New York, rats is on your checklist of what you have to be ready to deal with.
I mean, it's crazy.
It's crazy.
And the city just acts like, well, that's your problem.
joe rogan
It's rats.
joe derosa
Why don't you fix the rats thing a little bit?
joe rogan
They cannot.
joe derosa
No.
joe rogan
They cannot.
joe derosa
Those rats got bowled.
They evolved during COVID, dude.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe derosa
They walk right up to you now in New York.
They didn't used to do that.
Rats used to scurry if they saw anybody.
They walk up to you now.
Like, it's wild.
They evolved.
I heard a thing.
joe rogan
They probably had to get more aggressive to survive because all the food got cut off because there was no restaurants open.
joe derosa
Well, also, too, the places that were shut down, so many shut their doors but left their stock and abandoned ship.
So the rats got in there and it was fucking, you know, it was Charlotte's Webb, the fucking, the rat at the picnic, whatever that fucking Templeton.
They just had a field day.
But somebody told me, a construction guy told me once, he goes, dude, rats are some of the smartest fucking creatures on earth.
He goes, scaffolding, when they're scaffolding on a building, when they're doing work on a building, it opens everything up and rats tend to come.
He said, sometimes what they'll do is they'll hang dead rats from The scaffolding, and other rats will see the dead rats and go, don't fuck with that place.
Isn't that fucking crazy?
joe rogan
That's crazy.
joe derosa
Isn't that crazy?
joe rogan
If they see a dead rat, they run.
Well, I would.
joe derosa
I've done no research to see if it's true.
joe rogan
If I go into a neighborhood on horseback and I see a dude fucking hanging by the front door, I'd be like, oh, this is not a good spot to stop.
Let's keep moving.
joe derosa
We had to put in the basement when we were sealing off some potential entry points because you really got to seal your basement off.
That's a key thing in New York.
joe rogan
Is it possible to seal it off from rats?
joe derosa
How about this, dude?
Ready for this?
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe derosa
We had to seal off some potential entry points that the previous tenant had left.
The exterminator guy we brought in, he goes, here's how you have to do this.
You have to mix glass with the concrete.
So if a rat does try to chew through it, it will get hurt from the glass and it will not try to do it again.
If you just have concrete, they will eat through the fucking concrete.
joe rogan
To create a hole.
joe derosa
It's insane.
joe rogan
And they can get through like a nickel-size hole.
joe derosa
Oh, it's insane.
joe rogan
Yeah, their bones are flexible.
joe derosa
Yeah, yeah, it's insane.
They're fascinating creatures and also disgusting.
joe rogan
Do you ever watch the Netflix series on them?
The documentary, Rats?
joe derosa
The thing the guy that died did, supersize me.
Right?
joe rogan
Is that what his?
joe derosa
Yeah, I think so.
unidentified
It is his?
joe derosa
Yeah.
Yeah.
He died, right?
Yeah.
joe rogan
I didn't know that that was his, but it's really good.
It talks about all the different diseases they carry.
And then all over the country, like, there's rats everywhere.
And one of the things that they cover is the amount of rats that are in New York City, where it's like, it's all an assumption.
They don't know.
They never weighed them.
But they think the biomass of rats is equal to the biomass of people.
joe derosa
I don't doubt it.
joe rogan
Do you know how crazy that is?
joe derosa
It's insane.
joe rogan
Do you know how crazy?
If that's true, that is so nuts.
That's so many rats.
Like, you'll never get them out of there.
joe derosa
It's fucking insane.
There's shots in that movie where they're so on top of each other.
It looks like World War Z. Remember when World War Z came out?
And they did the thing in that movie where the zombies literally snowballed?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe derosa
It looks like that.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
joe derosa
Except with rats.
joe rogan
Yeah, with rats.
And where are they getting enough food to sustain these insane numbers?
joe derosa
Oh, they eat concrete, apparently.
joe rogan
Dude, have you ever seen a rat set off a rat trap with a stick?
joe derosa
No, this is what I'm talking about, though.
joe rogan
Now, here's the thing.
There's a camera set up in front of this rat trap.
So you don't know if they taught the rat to do it.
This is the fact that you could teach a rat how to set off a rat trap so that it could eat the food that's on the trap.
Watch how he does it because he does it with a stick, dude.
joe derosa
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Yeah, watch this.
So here's the, check this out.
So the rat comes in.
He's like, oh, I know what this shit is.
This is designed to fucking kill me.
Oh, I see.
Springs.
Okay.
Cool, cool.
Go over here and trip that motherfucker.
So he comes back with a stick, dude.
I mean, how crazy is that?
Now, watch.
Watch when the trap goes off.
He doesn't even flinch.
He doesn't even flinch.
Because he's probably done this a hundred times.
When the trap flips, if this is a real video, and I don't know that it's a real video, the only thing that makes me think it's a real video and that's going to sound crazy is that it's from like two years ago.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Two years ago, you used to be able to tell if something was fake.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's how nuts the world has gotten.
joe derosa
I know, dude.
I know.
I'm watching a channel on YouTube.
It's called Skywalker Stories.
And it's a guy that, with AI, creates these little Star Wars vignettes of things all the fans always wanted to see, but we never got to see.
joe rogan
Oh, whoa.
joe derosa
They're fucking awesome.
They're awesome.
But dude, he'll make it with like, it'll be Luke, but like Return of the Jedi Luke.
joe rogan
Like Mark Hamill.
Young Mark Hamill.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is it.
joe derosa
Look at this, dude.
joe rogan
Whoa, this is all AI?
joe derosa
Look at this.
unidentified
Bro.
joe derosa
The voices even.
joe rogan
Oh, my God, dude.
Oh, this is incredible.
joe derosa
It's nuts.
joe rogan
This is AI?
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh my god, this is We're done.
This is so good.
joe derosa
And he sounds exactly like Mark Cameron.
He looks it.
It's crazy, dude.
joe rogan
It looks better than like the video that you would get back then.
unidentified
Yes.
joe derosa
Yes.
joe rogan
It's so much clearer.
Keep it going, dude.
Are we going to get in trouble for this?
We're just promoting them.
Star Wars, Luke Skywalker encounters, Darth Bain.
There's a front coraban.
jamie vernon
Check his hand.
Watch his hand.
Five fingers there.
joe rogan
Right?
jamie vernon
Six fingers there.
Five fingers there.
Six fingers there.
joe rogan
Six fingers?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Pause it.
jamie vernon
Five?
Six.
joe derosa
Where's the six?
That looks like five.
joe rogan
One, two.
jamie vernon
It just switched.
joe derosa
Oh.
joe rogan
When did he have six?
One, two, three, four.
jamie vernon
Rip blends.
See that index finger?
unidentified
Oh, no.
joe rogan
Jamie, you're like a wizard.
I'm catching this shit, dog.
How are you catching that?
unidentified
Peace is a lie.
There is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
joe rogan
Alright, this is a little weak.
I would have got a better voice actor for that.
joe derosa
This kid's working in a garage.
joe rogan
Bro, you know who has the fucking creepiest...
The newest Nosferradu?
joe derosa
Yeah, Robert Eggers.
joe rogan
Yeah, the dude who played Pennywise.
joe derosa
Yeah, Bill Skarsgård.
joe rogan
He's fucking amazing in this movie.
joe derosa
He's a great actor.
joe rogan
It's the best vampire movie of all time.
joe derosa
He's a great actor.
He's a great actor.
joe rogan
That movie is creepy.
joe derosa
I liked it.
I thought it was beautifully shot.
My favorite will always be Coppola, Francis, Ford Coppola's Bram Stoker's Dracula.
joe rogan
That was a great one.
joe derosa
The one with Hopkins and Gary Oldman.
joe rogan
Gary Oldman was incredible.
Donald Reeves, Winona Ryder.
Yeah.
joe derosa
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That was a classic.
joe derosa
Oldman still scares me in that movie.
joe rogan
Oh, he was amazing.
But it's interesting because that broke ground, right?
Because that was the first mind-bending of the vampire movies.
Like, he was a mind-bender.
Like, he would transform states in front of you.
He was there.
He was gone.
He was an old man all of a sudden.
It was like a mind-bending, almost like psychedelic vampire.
joe derosa
Can I tell you the two things that took me out of Nasferatu?
joe rogan
Yeah, please do.
joe derosa
I don't want to ruin it for you.
No.
joe rogan
You stood up with the dick?
joe derosa
No, that was fine.
I said the constants.
He said the pros.
No.
I didn't like that he had a mustache.
joe rogan
Oh, I love that.
joe derosa
That bothered me that Dracula is trimming his mustache every morning.
unidentified
I love it.
joe rogan
I loved it.
joe derosa
And this is not Robert Edgar's fault.
This is the original story.
But it finally dawned on me in every Dracula story.
It's always based on him trying to buy real estate to go to London.
And I'm like, why does he need a house?
I don't understand.
He's Dracula.
joe rogan
Because he's got to have a place to put his coffin at night, dog.
joe derosa
I guess so.
joe rogan
100%.
joe derosa
It seems like he could just go run the fucking city if he's.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no, no.
There's another one that's really good.
Underrated.
Last Voyage of the Demeter.
joe derosa
I saw that.
I liked it.
I liked it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Underrated.
A little obvious with the CGI, right?
joe derosa
Yes.
joe rogan
A little like that doesn't look real.
Like, they weren't quite where they're at now.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which is pretty crazy because that was just a few years ago.
joe derosa
So interesting movie trivia.
Last Voyage was originally supposed to be an actual prequel to the Coppola movie.
It was actually supposed to, because remember in the Coppola movie, they showed the sequence where there's the blood hitting the sails and all that stuff?
That was actually supposed to be a legit connected prequel.
Which, God damn, could you imagine if that movie was fucking Gary Oldman?
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe derosa
Dracula.
joe rogan
Gary Oldman and Coppola directing it.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
That would be insane.
Gary Oldman was such a good Dracula.
joe derosa
Oh, my God.
hunter biden
Woo!
joe rogan
He believed.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Remember when he accidentally, Keanu Rees accidentally gets a cut and he licks the fucking blade?
joe derosa
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is the creepiest fucking...
unidentified
He's like, he doesn't just lick it.
He's like trembling while he, like, it's like, It's like Hunter Biden with crack.
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what it was.
Like, pull it up.
Pull it up, Jim.
joe derosa
Can we pull up the video of Dracula talking about why blood is so good?
joe rogan
When he accidentally cuts Keanu Reeves, he's like shaving him or something, right?
joe derosa
Yeah, Keanu's shaving.
Oh, yeah, he comes by him and starts shaving him.
joe rogan
He's shaving Keanu, which is even creepier.
You got Dracula and a straight-edge razor.
joe derosa
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
That's what it was, right?
joe derosa
Yeah.
Look at that cast.
unidentified
30th May, Castle of Dracula.
30th of May.
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is not what I want to hear.
Scooch up a little bit.
unidentified
Here it goes.
It's more dangerous than you see.
Great.
A foul bobble of men's vanity.
Perhaps you should grow dear to me.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha!
joe rogan
Bro.
Hunter Biden and crack right there.
joe derosa
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
No, no.
Okay.
That's good.
That's good.
Scarsguard is better.
The Scarsguard Nosferato is scarier.
It's creepier.
It's more supernatural.
It's different.
The problem was the makeup back then looked goofy.
joe derosa
Oldman, when he turns into the bat.
joe rogan
Oh, it's wild, dude.
joe derosa
And he looks like the bat monster.
joe rogan
See if you can get to...
jamie vernon
Trailer, I don't think he is.
joe derosa
No, they don't.
They like show him maybe in shadow.
I don't think they really show him.
joe rogan
Have it.
Nose Ferratu pops out of the coffin.
That's what he looked like.
You can see that image.
That's what he's dying at the end.
jamie vernon
Spoiler alert.
unidentified
Bang.
joe rogan
Spoiler alert.
Get to that picture in the middle where you see the bluish one.
Yeah, like that one.
That's what he looked like.
Bro.
It was way creepier.
joe derosa
It's a great look.
joe rogan
It was way creepier.
joe derosa
I don't want the mustache.
joe rogan
The mustache makes it.
It makes it.
It was amazing.
And it was creepy in that movie.
Like, he tricked him into signing over his wife in a contract because he did it in my native tongue.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like the way he's talking.
Here it is.
Here, give me some volume on this.
unidentified
Oh, it doesn't pop up.
Into you.
jamie vernon
I don't even know what's playing right now.
joe rogan
He didn't pop up?
jamie vernon
No, I cut it off.
I think it's too new to still to be on YouTube.
joe rogan
He'd pop up.
You'd get to see his dick.
joe derosa
They're also.
joe rogan
He's fully naked vampire.
That was a terrifying vampire.
That was the best vampire movie I think ever.
joe derosa
And I will say, too, that's the first, and I've seen a lot of vampire movies.
joe rogan
Me too.
joe derosa
That's the first one I've ever seen where he sleeps naked.
And you're like, well, of course he'd sleep naked.
They always have him sleeping in his cape and everything.
joe rogan
When you got a hog like Dracula does, you want to let that motherfucking hair out.
He had a hog on him.
joe derosa
Do you like horror movies a lot?
joe rogan
Love them.
I love horror movies.
I love a good one.
A really good one.
I'm really looking forward to the new Frankenstein.
joe derosa
I'm excited about that.
joe rogan
That's going to be great.
joe derosa
I'm excited about that.
And Edgar's next movie.
joe rogan
Killing Murphy as Dr. Frankenstein is going to be fucking insane.
joe derosa
I'm excited about Frankenstein and his next movie is called Werewolf, and it's a werewolf movie.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah, Edgar's, yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that's what we need.
We need a real good werewolf movie.
We haven't had one since an American Werewolf in London.
joe derosa
Yeah, those are tough to come by, man.
joe rogan
Wolfman was okay.
The Benicio De Toro one.
joe derosa
I like that one.
joe rogan
You know what the cool thing was when he changed in front of all those doctors?
They got him strapped in.
They said, this man is an insane person.
unidentified
He believes he's going to become a wolf.
Yeah.
joe derosa
Yeah, and they're all laughing at him.
And then Del Tora screams, I will kill all of you.
joe rogan
Yeah, and then he just starts popping.
That was also Rick Baker, same guy who did the special effects for American Werewolf in London.
He did it for that too.
joe derosa
And Thriller.
joe rogan
And Star Wars.
And Thriller.
Yeah, and Thriller.
joe derosa
I like the Wolfman.
I like the howling.
joe rogan
We're grown men going, I like the Wolfman.
He's kind of my favorite.
The howling was good.
Grown men talking about their favorite werewolf movies.
I didn't see that new Wolfman.
Some people told me it was good.
Some people told me it sucked.
joe derosa
It sucked.
joe rogan
Sucked.
joe derosa
Dick.
Damn.
It sucked.
I have a horror movie podcast and we reviewed it.
joe rogan
Do you really?
You have a horror movie podcast?
joe derosa
Yeah, it's called Shit.
It's called We'll See You in Hell.
Yeah.
unidentified
Great name.
joe derosa
Thank you, man.
But yeah, me and my buddy Pat that I was talking about do it together.
And we've been doing it for a long time.
But I have a massive horror movie collection.
joe rogan
All right, let me ask you this.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
What your opinion is.
What do you think is the scariest movie of all time?
joe derosa
I will tell you, for me, it remains to be The Exorcist.
And I appreciate how scary I find it that I will infrequently watch it because I never want that to wear off.
Because I've seen so many horror movies at this point.
It's very hard to find something where I'm actually freaked.
And The Exorcist, probably a lot to do with Catholic upbringing and a lot of the, and then that was a movie when I was growing up where people would say, you know, the devil could actually reach you if you watch that movie.
You know, it had so much great lure around it.
All of that just sits with me subconsciously when I watch it.
I think it is the scariest movie I've ever seen.
And follows, by the way, in my opinion, what is a necessary component to make a great horror movie?
It has to be inescapable.
So, in other words, what I'm saying is, is like the horror must be inescapable.
Nightmare in Elm Street.
You fall asleep, Freddie comes.
You're going to have to fall asleep?
Friday the 13th, you're a bunch of kids.
You're stuck at the camp.
There's no cell phones.
Nobody's got a car.
You're stuck.
Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
Oh, guess what?
All the people you're running from run the fucking town around you.
The Exorcist, it's your daughter.
She's upstairs in your home.
You cannot leave.
Once you set the parameters that you cannot leave the horror, then all bets are off.
But there's too many horror movies where you're like, well, just fucking leave.
Get out.
joe rogan
You should be a consultant.
Get a look at the script and go, gosh, guys, guys, guys, guys.
joe derosa
He could just leave.
joe rogan
Why doesn't he just leave?
Why is he so invested in staying in his town?
Well, he grew up here.
He wants to make it right.
Shut the fuck up.
This doesn't make any sense.
There's demons in that town.
He would get in his fucking car and he would drive to another state.
joe derosa
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He would tell the police or something.
joe derosa
Yeah, yeah.
It's just, it's, it's, it's amity.
And Amityville is a classic horror movie, but the whole, Eddie Murphy had the joke about it in the 80s.
He's like, just get the fuck out of the house.
Like, just leave the fucking house.
I don't understand.
joe rogan
The Amityville one, there's a bunch of them that are weird because they're based on like the conjuring.
It's based at least a little bit on real stories.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And everybody wants to dismiss haunted houses.
Me too.
I do too.
I think people are kooky.
They make things up.
They definitely do.
But also, there's too many stories about places being haunted.
And just because you haven't experienced it doesn't mean it's not true.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like imagine if by for whatever reason, maybe some horrible thing happens in this house and it opens up a portal to another place.
Yeah.
And then spirits from that other place can travel through to that spot because you've done such a, someone's done such a terrible thing in that house, like some axe murderer in that house.
And then for whatever, the amount of pain and suffering that took place in that spot opened up a portal to another place.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And things come through there.
joe derosa
Look, I want it to be true.
joe rogan
Do you ever see Event Horizon?
joe derosa
Yeah.
I love Event Horizon.
I love Event Horizon.
joe rogan
Opening up portals.
joe derosa
Yes.
I fucking love that movie.
And it's another one that people dismiss.
And I'm like, no, it's good.
Again, you're trapped.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're trapped.
joe derosa
They go through that goofy wormhole in the spaceship.
joe rogan
They're stuck.
joe derosa
You can't get away from it.
It's Hellraiser.
It's Hellraiser in space.
joe rogan
Everyone's possessed.
joe derosa
Yes.
joe rogan
It's good.
Yeah.
It's also, it opens up like if hell was a real place, like that's, you get, you can do so much when you're doing space stuff.
Like you're fucking creating wormholes.
Like, okay, let's imagine hell's a real place.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And let's imagine you open up a doorway to it accidentally and bring somebody onto your spaceship.
joe derosa
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Let's go.
When you do something with space with aliens, I remember reading that when I was young, when I wanted to be a comic book illustrator.
And one of the things that I was reading in this book of how it illustrates things, like the aliens are the ultimate thing that you can draw because no one can tell you what it looks like.
It could just be anything.
You can make it up.
joe derosa
And that's why I get so mad that every alien movie that comes out, it's like, I saw one recently.
I can't remember the name of it.
We watched it for the show.
I don't remember.
But I remember on the show going, guys, we're doing the big head with the big black eyes again.
You can draw, do anything.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can do anything.
joe derosa
Anything.
If I hear one more alien in a movie with the fucking predator rattle, the enough, guys.
Do something new.
Like, sky's the limit.
joe rogan
The thing is, alien number one.
joe derosa
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Ridley Scotts was so good.
joe derosa
It's great.
joe rogan
It was so good that no one even talks about that it's a female lead.
No one even talks about it.
It's not just a female lead.
She's the spoiler alert.
She's the fucking hero of the whole movie.
joe derosa
It's fucking awesome.
joe rogan
And kills it.
But she's so good and the movie's so good that no one even brings that up.
joe derosa
No.
joe rogan
It's not even a second thought.
It's just like that movie scared the fuck out of me.
And that movie came out in 1979.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
79.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it was just the right amount of seeing the alien.
You didn't see it all the time.
It was sneaking around.
It kept growing and getting bigger.
Every time you turned around, it was way bigger than it was before.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fuck.
joe derosa
Best tagline ever on a movie.
In space, no one can hear you scream.
Like, what a great tagline.
joe rogan
And it had the robot that betrayed everybody.
joe derosa
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Ian Holm.
joe rogan
And it had these people that they were going to sacrifice because they wanted this biological weapon.
And that's why they went there in the first place.
You're like, oh, people wouldn't do that.
And now you go, oh, yeah, they would.
joe derosa
Yeah.
And then, of course, John Hurt alien, the chest burst scene.
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe derosa
Where it was just like, what the fuck is about to happen here?
joe rogan
What the fuck, dude?
When it comes plopping out of his chest and runs on the floor, like, what the fuck, dude?
jamie vernon
original trailer.
unidentified
Ugh.
joe derosa
It's the trailer is so scary.
unidentified
It's weird sounds.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you don't even get a peep at the fucking alien.
unidentified
Jeez.
joe derosa
Holy shit.
There should be an Oscar for trailers.
joe rogan
You know another really good one that doesn't get a lot of love?
Sputnik.
joe derosa
I never saw Sputnik.
I don't think I know what's Sputnik.
I don't even know what it is.
joe rogan
Sputnik is a Russian sci-fi alien movie.
Okay.
From like, How many years ago?
jamie vernon
The trailers are here five years ago.
joe rogan
Five years ago.
It's fucking good, dude.
It's all in subtitles.
unidentified
So IFC Midnight, they've done, IFC Midnight does some cool shit.
joe rogan
It's a spoiler alert.
It's a dude who goes up in a Russian spaceship and has an encounter and comes back home and he's got this parasite in his body.
And this parasite comes out.
joe derosa
Okay.
joe rogan
It's fucking wild, dude.
It's wild.
It's really good.
It lives inside of him and it keeps him alive.
And then it comes out when he's sleeping.
It comes out of his mouth.
It's like the way it forms.
It's really fucking creepy.
And they're scary as shit, man.
joe derosa
And I was going to say, it's like a genuine monster comes out of him.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
It's a fucking scary ass movie, man.
joe derosa
I'll check this out.
joe rogan
I know I'm making it sound goofy, but it's good, dude.
It's good.
joe derosa
It sounds fucking awesome.
All right.
I'll check it out.
joe rogan
Look, there's like legitimate parasites on Earth that go so far as to, like, here's one.
You know what the cordyceps mushrooms parasites where they take over spiders' bodies and ants' bodies, and then they explode in the air so that the spores come out of their body in like a big explosion.
So they infect everyone around them, and then all of them around them become like these fucking, they get paralyzed by the mushroom and get eaten by it, and then they explode.
joe derosa
That's in Last of Us.
I hate to ask you this.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
joe derosa
I'm bursting over here.
Hold on a second.
I'll be right back.
joe rogan
I'll go too.
We'll be right back, folks.
joe derosa
It's like, wow.
Guys, fucking wild kid.
joe rogan
There's still some people that remember those days that live in Aspen.
If you find them, they'll talk to you about it.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like what it was like when he was living up there.
joe derosa
They said he would go down to the bars and get blasted every night.
joe rogan
There's a funny song that got made from me and Greg Fitzsimmons.
We read what Hunter S. Thompson did during a day.
Like a journalist hung out with him and recorded his day.
So it's like, it starts when he wakes up to when he starts doing cocaine.
He starts seriously doing cocaine.
And this guy, Beardy Man, he put it to a beat.
joe derosa
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Have you ever heard it?
Like Sam and the hot dog with champagne.
joe derosa
Do you think with a guy like Hunter Thompson?
Because I honestly don't know.
But do you think he's the one guy where that being around that would still be would have still been fun and exciting and crazy and weird?
Or do you think like most guys, you'd be like, dude, you think it's going to be fun, but it's not.
It's kind of disturbing.
joe rogan
Depends on who you are, right?
It's like, I bet there's a lot of similar stories about Ari.
You know?
You know what I'm saying?
joe derosa
Yeah, that's a good point.
That's a lot of similar stories.
joe rogan
You know, you talked to Johnny Depp about it.
Johnny Depp loved him.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Johnny loved him.
And him and Johnny were really close because he played Johnny in that movie and they became really good friends.
joe derosa
Yeah.
John Kusak had a good story that he told about going up to that compound or whatever you call it.
And he said he went up, he was so excited that he finally got the invite and he went up for like a long weekend.
Got there on like a Wednesday and he said then like Wednesday happens, Thursday happens.
And he's like, Hunter, you know, man, thanks for having me, but what the fuck are all these stories I keep hearing?
And then he said, Hunter Thompson said, don't worry, my boy, this weekend there will be games.
And then he said, Friday hit, and it was just like the rocket went off.
And that was, you know.
joe rogan
So he was probably writing.
joe derosa
He was, yeah.
It was probably like, we're drinking it all, but who cares?
And then, you know, you can't do cocaine every night, right?
I wouldn't think so.
joe rogan
You could.
joe derosa
I mean.
joe rogan
Well, we were just, just as we were leaving, Jamie told us that Ozzie died.
joe derosa
Nah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, just as we were leaving.
Speaking of which, speaking of the guy who he burned the candles at both ends, lad.
Dude, he just performed.
Yeah.
joe derosa
It always happens like this.
It's like he did.
There cannot not be a correlation between hanging up the job and death.
He did the final Black Sabbath show.
This is it.
All four original guys.
He died two weeks later?
That's fucking insane, man.
That's insane.
Weren't they supposed to do one more show?
It was like one last OzFest?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I think people just decide it's enough.
And he was struggling for a long time.
So if you get a debilitating disease like Parkinson's and it just slowly robs you of your ability to move and your wit and everything, it just slowly takes it all away from you.
joe derosa
He said, too, if I could borrow your lighter.
Thank you.
He said too, he did a recent interview where he said, you know, he's in that, he was in immense pain because of the surgery he had on his back or whatever it was.
And he was saying that he didn't need the surgery.
It was something along the lines that it was bad advice for him to get the surgery, something like that.
And had he not gotten it, he would have had more mobility and whatever.
And I was like, that really sucks, dude.
joe rogan
Was it back surgery?
joe derosa
I think it was back surgery.
And I got the impression from what he was saying, him like having to sit in a chair and stuff during the shows had way less to do with Parkinson's and way more to do with just pain from this back thing.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Surgeons died for the last time to correct spinal damage he incurred in a late-night fall in 2019.
So that was when he did it.
So fall aggravated an injury he sustained in a quad.
Oh, remember that quad bike crash?
He got really fucked up.
joe derosa
I don't remember that.
What happened?
joe rogan
He crashed one of those off-road bikes and almost died.
I think he got pinned underneath it.
It was bad.
It was real bad.
I remember reading about it.
I think he was in the hospital for quite a while.
So this new thing was, he aggravated, he fell, and he aggravated whatever he injured back then.
Yeah.
joe derosa
Oh, a quad bike.
So it's like an ATV or whatever.
joe rogan
They're fucking, they're kind of dangerous.
You know, they're heavy and they're fast and people fall off of them.
joe derosa
And he was, in 2003, he was still able to do something like that.
Wasn't 2003?
Wasn't he?
Wasn't that the period of the Osbournes where he was all shaky and like shuffling around?
joe rogan
That might have been why he crashed, right?
He might have thought he could do it and couldn't hold on to the steering wheel or the handlebars correctly.
joe derosa
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
You know, because if you're on one of those things, it's fucking bouncing off.
You could easily like go down.
If your hands aren't working good, you can't hold on to the bars anymore.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
joe derosa
That's a big one, man.
You lose some of these people that you just think they'll always be there.
It's like, and Ozzie's one of them.
I remember when Michael Jackson died, Attel said to me, he goes, it's kind of weird.
It's like somebody telling you there's no more vanilla.
unidentified
Like, it's just this part of your life.
joe derosa
They're people that are just this, they're there, you know?
Neil Purt dying fucked me up like that.
I was like, wait, there's no more rush?
Hey, what?
Bowie, Prince.
You know, you're like.
joe rogan
Prince was a hard one.
joe derosa
Yeah.
That's a bummer, man.
I'm glad they got to Tom Peter.
joe rogan
Tom Petty was another hard one.
joe derosa
I saw him two days before he died.
joe rogan
He died the same way as Prince.
Got some bad fucking pain pills.
joe derosa
Well, when I found out he died from the pills thing, it made sense.
His show was great.
I almost didn't go.
I almost didn't go to the show because I was like, I don't know, man.
Tom Petty's cool.
Yeah, I guess.
My friend was like, bro, how many more chances are we're going to have to see Tom Petty?
I go, yeah, you're right, let's go.
I went.
It was amazing.
I was like, thank God I went.
And we were all laughing during the show.
We're like, man, he's high as shit.
unidentified
Did he look high as shit?
joe derosa
Yeah, and between songs, he'd be like, look at this, man.
This is love, dude.
Like, he just sounded like a classic pothead, you know, from the 60s.
And then two days later, he died, and then the pill came thinking.
And I was like, oh, man, I think he was ripped on fucking whatever cocktail they had him on or whatever, you know?
But he was awesome.
He put on a fucking show.
Still hit all the notes, still played the guitar great.
He was great.
joe rogan
A lot of people, they just get hurt, and then they turn to those goddamn pills.
And then once they get on those pills, they can't get off.
joe derosa
Pill addiction's a motherfucker.
joe rogan
Is this it?
It's like one of his last shows?
jamie vernon
It is final show.
joe rogan
His final show at Hollywood Bowl.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
joe derosa
Yeah, so I think I saw the second to last.
Yeah, he did that a lot.
Yeah, it was a lot of hands up in the air.
joe rogan
He was a bad motherfucker.
She was an American girl.
joe derosa
Came out of the gate with that.
joe rogan
Dude.
joe derosa
Opened with American Girl.
joe rogan
Did he really?
joe derosa
Yeah, dude.
It was just like banger after banger.
joe rogan
You realize how many hits that guy had.
Oh, my God.
He has so many hits.
joe derosa
I saw Elton John once at the Outside Lands in San Francisco.
joe rogan
Talk about a guy with hits.
joe derosa
Brother?
joe rogan
Hits.
joe derosa
Two and a half hours.
Every song was a hit, and he didn't even touch the Lion King shit.
I was like, he skipped the Lion King and still went two and a half hours with nothing but hits.
joe rogan
Bro, Rocket Man is so good.
I only like to listen to it with headphones on.
joe derosa
Oh, that song rolls.
joe rogan
It's so good, dude.
There's so much emotion in that song.
joe derosa
Have you seen him live?
joe rogan
No.
joe derosa
So, dude, you'll appreciate this.
He came out with, opened with the bitches back, right?
Which is a great opener.
And he changes into the costumes and shit, so it's awesome.
joe rogan
The glasses.
unidentified
Yeah, the glasses.
joe derosa
And he opens with the bitches back.
Song ends.
Place is going fucking crazy, right?
I'm getting chills talking about it.
I love concert stories.
And dude, he stands up and he's like, he's doing all the like, let's go, motherfuckers, you know?
Dude, he hits the piano.
He just goes, boom.
Just hits the first chord of any of the jets.
unidentified
Wow.
joe derosa
Just goes, and goes like this, and everybody knows immediately.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
joe derosa
He just went bent, crouched here and bent, walks around to the fucking piano cover, is like slamming it, walks back around bent, and then sits down and starts it.
unidentified
And dude, oh my God, man.
joe rogan
Benny and Jets, fucking, what a song.
joe derosa
The other, if you'll indulge me in my concert memories, my other favorite thing I ever saw at a concert, it was such a fucking cock rock move.
I loved it.
I saw Metallica in Philly with Big J. Oh, wow.
And we were so psyched because we're from Philly.
It's Metallica, whatever.
And they come out, they fucking open with battery.
The fucking place is going batshit, dude, right?
They end battery, and James Hetfield goes, Philadelphia, Metallica is with you tonight.
Are you with Metallica?
30,000 people going fucking crazy, right?
And then he goes, give me an M, give me an E, give me a T, T, A, A, give me an L, L. Give me fuel, give me fire, give me.
And they rip into fuel off.
unidentified
Oh, fuck yeah.
joe derosa
And that was the first time I was like, this song is fucking awesome.
Because I always kind of wrote it off like in the load years.
I was like, yeah, it's fine.
joe rogan
It's a great song.
joe derosa
It's a great song.
Awesome song.
joe rogan
There's a lot of songs that are better in concert, too.
There's songs like, if you go to see Kiss, Rock and Roll All Night is better in concert.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because they're actually rock and rolling on the, it was a giant hit already.
Great song already.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
But if you get to see them do it in concert, you're like, there's something about it.
joe derosa
I saw their second to last show because I'm friends with Nick, Gene's son.
And he got me and Paul Talia into the second to last kiss show.
And he got us against the stage.
joe rogan
Wow.
joe derosa
Dude, they came down on fucking risers.
They opened with Detroit Rock City as they were descending from the sky with flames shooting up.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
joe derosa
It was fucking crazy.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, dude, it was wild.
Yeah.
joe rogan
What a song.
joe derosa
Paul Stanley flies over the audience at one point.
And it was a.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe derosa
And that bass feel.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
I hate my song, and it pulls me through.
joe derosa
That ticked.
unidentified
That ticked.
joe rogan
Tell me what I got to do.
unidentified
I got to get up.
joe rogan
Get down.
unidentified
Everybody gonna leave their seat.
*singing*
joe derosa
You're going to listen to that later.
joe rogan
Yeah, fuck you.
That's a classic, son.
joe derosa
That ticked a lot of my childhood boxes because Nick brought me backstage and I met Gene in full makeup after the show.
joe rogan
Wow.
joe derosa
And then Shannon Tweed is his wife, you know?
And she was in all the 90s steam movies.
joe rogan
Yeah, all those horror movies, right?
joe derosa
She was in a lot of like sexy, steamy, you know.
joe rogan
Was she in horror movies?
joe derosa
She was in, I think a couple, but she was in a lot of those Cinemaxy kind of like a handyman comes to town.
joe rogan
Yeah, there was soft porn.
It was like not really porn.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
But like, you know, hot romance.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which was back before people had porn.
Isn't that crazy?
unidentified
And that thought.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And Skinamax.
We'd call it Cinemax.
We call it Skinimax.
There was terrible shows that you would only watch because the lady would eventually get naked.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like Emmanuel Goes to France.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Remember those?
joe derosa
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
They're the dumbest shows ever.
You're like, Jesus Christ, this lady take her fucking clothes off.
You'd have to sit there because there was no rewinding and pausing.
You'd have just to watch.
joe derosa
Showtime did a thing called Showtime After Hours.
joe rogan
That's right.
joe derosa
And we had Showtime when I was a kid.
And when I was 12 years old, I got a TV in my room and I had Showtime on it.
joe rogan
Wow.
joe derosa
And I would do the thing where, you know, it had the, you know, the button they used to have in the controller where you could hit the button.
It would flip between two channels.
It was like the arrow button where if you wanted to flip back and forth, you could just keep hitting the button.
It would go between.
Yeah.
You could pick two channels and go back and forth.
joe rogan
Preparing you for no attention spans.
joe derosa
So, yeah, well.
joe rogan
The original TikTok.
joe derosa
It saved my ass because what I would do is I'd put Showtime on one end and then like SNL on the other.
joe rogan
Oh, so if someone came into the room, you could quickly turn back.
joe derosa
And my dad would frequently come into the room and I'd switch it real quick and he'd be like, you better not be watching.
joe rogan
Oh, boy.
joe derosa
Showtime.
And I was like, I'm not, I'm not.
And then he would leave back to Emmanuel.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, that made you want to watch it ever more.
unidentified
Oh, God.
joe derosa
It was.
joe rogan
Because why is he telling me I can't watch this?
joe derosa
Forbidden fruit.
He knew I was watching it.
joe rogan
Today, I think people just give their kids phones and they just like, you figure it out.
joe derosa
It's insane.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, when we were kids, it was really difficult to see something fucked up.
I see something fucked up every day.
I see death and destruction and people getting shot.
I see it every day.
joe derosa
It's insane to me.
And I will never, ever, ever put my driver's license information into a porn website.
joe rogan
Again.
unidentified
Again.
joe derosa
12 times was enough.
I've learned.
I won't do it.
I'm just like, I'm not doing this.
But it is also still insane to me that all you got to do to look at a porn site is click a button that goes, I swear I'm 18.
You know, that's it.
And you're in.
You're fucking in.
joe rogan
I don't live in Texas.
Well, you could have a VPN that says you live in Maine.
joe derosa
Exactly.
joe rogan
And then you, all right, you're in.
It's like, it's so easy to skirt around.
It's a dumb thing.
Like, you don't think kids know about VPNs?
Some phones have VPNs built into them, don't they?
Doesn't an iPhone have a VPN built into it?
I think so.
I think it does.
joe derosa
A lot of websites now, though, because I use a VPN because in this day and age, why wouldn't you?
joe rogan
People definitely steal people's information from public Wi-Fi's.
You've got to be careful of hackers.
There's people that are really good at getting information from stuff.
A buddy of mine owns the racetrack around here.
They found a device attached to their internet that was like some foreign entity, they assumed China, had set up this device to, so it was when Formula One was in town.
So you got all these high rollers and everybody's using the Wi-Fi.
And you get all their passwords.
It just like siphons off all this stuff.
So they connected it.
Somehow or another, they got on the premises and connected this external box to their Wi-Fi router.
joe derosa
That's fucking insane.
joe rogan
Insane.
joe derosa
That's insane.
joe rogan
Crazy.
It's weird to think that that's possible.
That they've done that not just there, but if they caught them doing it at the racetrack, for sure they probably do it at all kinds of public places.
Like if you go to see a basketball game or a football game and you use a public Wi-Fi at some place, there's a chance that there's some fucking asshole that's hacked into their system and can figure out how to get your banking information somebody told me that the you know the the you know the the card sliders or whatever when you go to 7-Eleven or wherever uh-huh somebody told me about a year ago never never type your manually type your code
joe derosa
because they said a lot of those, I'm not saying 7-Eleven does this, but there are places where they'll put a camera in it so they can videotape you typing your number in, and that's how they steal PIN codes.
joe rogan
Oh, that makes sense.
joe derosa
Because, you know, it's fucked up.
joe rogan
If you go to gas stations, they have those things, they stick over the credit card reader.
It looks like the credit card reader, but it's, like, glued onto it, and it's theirs.
It's like a skimmer.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So when you run your credit card through it, they get all your information when you punch in the information.
joe derosa
Are you talking about, like, how it has the little hood over it?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know the little thing that you stick your card in when you go to get gas or slide it through when you swipe it?
They put one over that.
So they take that one, and they put their own thing over on top of it.
joe derosa
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Yeah, a bunch of my friends have been caught that way.
joe derosa
What's your take?
I'm very curious.
What's your take on this increasing threat to security?
Like, because there's two takes on it.
It's, you know, protecting yourself more and more and more and more and more and more and more.
I'm in a place where I'm just going, you know what, guys?
I don't fucking care anymore.
This is too much of a pain in the ass.
I guess steal if you're going to steal.
I can't deal with the tedium of all this anymore, of putting in two fucking passwords to every website, having to do a security pin every time I want to log into my own shit.
It's exhausting to me.
joe rogan
It is exhausting, and it's only going to get worse.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because encryption is in real danger as computation power increases.
One of the big concerns that they have about the idea of quantum computers is that when quantum computers – and I think they think they can achieve this even before quantum computing is, like, common – that it kills all encryption.
It can solve it fast.
It's just too much computation power.
It'll find whatever the number is that your pin is or your code is or your password is.
It'll figure it out.
joe derosa
Are you nervous about AI?
Part of it makes me nervous.
Part of it, I'm like, it's here, and if it's used correctly, it could be a great tool.
But, you know, are you a guy that's, like, really freaked out by it, or do you just kind of accept it and go, all right, well – Both.
joe rogan
I kind of accept it, right?
And I use it all the time.
I ask it questions all the time.
I use the thing on the iPhone when you press the button.
And if Siri doesn't know shit, which she usually doesn't, that's one of the places where Google is way better.
Like, Google has this Gemini.
Yeah.
Google Gemini, when you press that button and you ask its assistant, it's way better.
It's way better than the Siri assistant.
Siri's like, I don't know.
Siri's like a high school teacher that really is, like, kind of half-ass in it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Whereas Gemini is, like, a legitimate professor.
Yeah.
He wrote his, you know, college essays on this particular subject.
You're asking questions about it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe derosa
No, that's funny.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe derosa
Siri's the teacher.
They're cool.
She's not the brightest, but she's cool.
The other guy, you're going to learn some shit, but you might find yourself in a weird situation with him.
joe rogan
That's Apple's main issue that people have with Apple.
And there's been, like, a lot of talk about whether or not Tim Cook has dropped the ball, whether there's people that want to remove him as a CEO.
And it's the way they've integrated with AI.
Right.
As opposed to the way Samsung is integrated with AI, which is much better.
And then Google, which is also much better.
But they all had their stumbles.
Google's AI was woke at the beginning, and it was doing, like, female Nazis that were Asian.
You ever saw any of that?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Oh, dude, dude, dude.
It was doing a DEI version of the Nazis.
Like, no bullshit.
There was a Native American woman with, like, braids who was a fucking Nazi.
It was so dumb, because it didn't understand.
It's like, this is what we do with everything.
Everything is diversity and equity.
It's like, no.
I'm looking.
I want you to make Nazis.
Like, German, dueling scars on the face.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Scary people.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Scary, evil people, like, from Indiana Jones.
Yeah.
That's a Nazi.
joe derosa
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
So it had to teach it to not do that anymore.
joe derosa
I often wonder, and this is a bit conspiratorial, I guess, but I often wonder if, because I always found it outright confusing how bad Siri was with Apple, especially because it was Apple, right?
I always wondered.
I'm like, are they making it not good?
joe rogan
No.
Steve Jobs is dead.
joe derosa
So when they introduce the good version, you embrace it quickly?
joe rogan
No, they don't do that.
joe derosa
They don't do that.
joe rogan
They definitely do slow your old shit down.
They've gotten busted for that.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they say, whoa, we're just doing it to maximize your battery life.
No, you're doing it to make my life miserable as an iPhone 12 owner with this new update.
Now my shit is slow as fuck.
My battery dies quick.
joe derosa
Yeah.
I will tell you one thing I don't like that Apple is doing, and I'm an Apple user, and they never used to do this.
You used to call customer service.
You would ask, you know, I'm having this problem.
They'd walk you through it as much as they could.
If it got to a breaking point, they'd say, okay, look, can we do a screen share so I can figure out what's going on because something's not right here.
It was always last-ditch effort.
Now, three times I've had an issue, very simple issue.
How do I stop iCloud from sending all my text to my computer?
Something very dumb that I just couldn't figure out.
Every time, first question on customer service, can we do a screen share?
First question.
Every time I go, no, we don't need to do that.
I'm smart enough that if you tell me what to do, I'll do it.
And they go, okay, no problem.
And then they tell you what to do, and it's so easy.
And I'm like, why are you fucking asking for a screen share first?
joe rogan
Why do you think they're doing that?
joe derosa
I just think it's more, I don't know, gather, data gathering, you know, getting into your shit, you know, whatever.
unidentified
Could be.
joe derosa
I don't know.
It's weird, though.
It certainly could be.
joe rogan
they get busted for there's all tech companies all the time get busted for taking data they're not supposed to take it's the it's the it's What's weird about it is it's a commodity that nobody saw coming.
Right?
So before, like, what was the first?
I guess MySpace.
Before that time, and even MySpace didn't really capitalize on it in terms of like gathering your data and selling it.
Not to the extent of like Google does it and Facebook does.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, they made billions and billions of dollars giving you amazing free products like Gmail and then selling things to you in advertisements and siphoning off your fucking data.
joe derosa
I remember going into SiriusXM.
And again, I like SiriusXM.
I'm not shitting on it.
But I remember going into SiriusXM when they first started doing this.
And you'd go in and you always had to sign in.
But the sign-in suddenly was address, phone number, all this extra email, all this extra.
joe rogan
How to type it in?
joe derosa
And I would kind of argue with the person.
I go, why do I have to type all this in?
I'm going to talk to Big J right now about porn on the radio for 20 minutes.
And I'm like, this is data collection.
You're collecting my data.
Now, what you're going to do with it, I don't know.
That's the thing.
joe rogan
They can just sell it.
They just sell it.
And that's why you get these weird text messages.
joe derosa
Right.
joe rogan
Like, you have been approved.
Oh, I've been approved.
joe derosa
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
I get 10 of those a day.
And I always wonder, like, who's clicking on these things?
Like, who's falling for these things?
joe derosa
Yeah.
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
Somebody.
Must be.
joe derosa
I know a guy.
Ready for this?
This is how fucked up this shit is.
I know a guy.
He's single dad has a daughter.
His daughter is maybe 10, 12.
He told me he got a phone call.
A guy being like, we have your daughter.
unidentified
Oh, I've heard of those.
joe derosa
This whole thing, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe derosa
So he's a savvy guy, and he's like, okay, okay, right?
He goes, we're going to let you talk to her.
He goes, a girl got on the phone.
It was my daughter's voice.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
joe derosa
They somehow were able to replicate my daughter's voice.
So clearly they were tapped into me somehow.
And he said he called the school and fucking told the principal that, like, go to her classroom and tell me she's there right now.
And the piece of the principal's like, I assure you, Mr. And he goes, get off your fucking hand.
Go fucking.
And screamed at her.
And the lady like ran down the hall in a huff, whatever.
And she came.
She's like, she's here.
She's here.
She's here.
What's going on?
He goes, thank you very much and hangs up.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe derosa
But he told me, dude, he goes, dude, I have firearms.
He goes, I was strapped up.
I was ready to go to where they were saying to go and get fucking busy if it came down to it.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
joe derosa
But it's like, that's how fucking advanced all this shit is.
joe rogan
But it's only the beginning.
They're going to be able to do, I mean, look at that Luke Skywalker video.
joe derosa
Perfect.
joe rogan
The crazy thing is, like, this is, it's happening so quickly.
We have adapted so quickly.
That would have been impossible three years ago.
And now we're like, oh, wow, look where it is.
It's like we're watching this thing evolve in front of us like a life form.
joe derosa
There's the Will Smith one.
joe rogan
Which one?
Oh, I Am Legend?
joe derosa
No, it's, I can't remember if it was on TikTok or whatever.
But, okay, so apparently two years ago, there was this video that made the rounds on the internet, and it was Will Smith eating spaghetti.
And it was computer generated.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, it was terrible.
joe derosa
It looked ridiculous, and it was funny, and it was just a thing to laugh at.
He goes, I want to show you guys now Will Smith eating spaghetti.
And Joe?
joe rogan
It's perfect.
joe derosa
It's Will Smith eating spaghetti.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
It's perfect.
joe derosa
Yeah, it's insane.
joe rogan
Well, Hollywood has known about this for a long time, and it's one of the things that scared the fuck out of them.
And one of the weird things they've done is they've made deals with extras.
Like, they want to make deals with extras where they have your likeness forever, so they don't have to pay you again.
So they just use you and just twist your face a little and change this and change that and change your skin tone and take your hair off, put hair on.
And they can just use you forever for background.
joe derosa
And guess what?
As you and I sit here and go, that's insane, right?
Which it is, as we were talking about earlier, desperation.
You're a struggling actor.
I need this fucking job.
So you go, okay, that's fine.
I guess just do it.
joe rogan
And then what if you take off?
That's what's crazy.
What happens and you take off?
They own you forever.
joe derosa
The one Hollywood AI thing that I liked that they did was James Earl Jones, before he died, and I believe this is real.
He went in to Disney Lucasfilm and they recorded a ton of his voice so he can be Darth Vader forever.
unidentified
And I was like, okay, I get that.
joe derosa
That I get.
You know, I even get, if you told me, hey, Disney's going to make a new Indiana Jones movie with 25-year-old Harrison Ford and it's fake, but you're going to think you're watching 25, I would watch that.
I'd be excited to watch it.
joe rogan
Yeah, you'd get sucked in.
joe derosa
You know?
But some of the other shit, the extra stuff is really...
When not Guillermo Does Peter Jackson, when he did Lord of the Rings, they created a technology with the orcs.
Remember there were all the big orc battles?
All those orcs are fake.
They were able to computer generate thousands of orcs based on five actual people in makeup so they could affordably create these epic battles that they never would have been able to shoot otherwise.
So I'm like, is it that different?
I don't know.
unidentified
Because I thought that was cool.
joe derosa
I was like, all right, that makes sense.
But, you know, I don't know.
joe rogan
Netflix reporter uses regenerative AI and sci-fi series to cut costs.
joe derosa
These fuckers are going to, I mean, they'll cut costs anywhere, but.
joe rogan
Okay, the VFX sequence was completed 10 times faster than it could have been completed with traditional VFX tools and workflows.
Also, the cost of it just wouldn't have been feasible for a show in that budget.
So what's the issue there?
jamie vernon
This was a particular one.
I didn't see that.
joe rogan
Are people up in arms about this?
jamie vernon
Yeah, people are just getting mad because they're using it.
joe rogan
What?
jamie vernon
Just what I like what he was saying for the works, they're using it to start making shows.
joe rogan
But this is like people getting mad that you made your book on a typewriter.
Like, fucking duh.
joe derosa
Well, I think the issue some people are having is the amount of people that don't have a job because they did it this way.
But at the same time, I also understand cost-effectiveness where you're like, guys, we'd have to pay a team of 20.
I watched a video about AI versus the traditional way of doing computer generation or whatever.
And again, the tedium, like the time that it took.
It was person after person sitting there for hours and hours and hours to perfect this thing.
And now they're like, guys, we can do it one person.
joe rogan
It's cool that they were able to do it the other way.
But if they could just do it right away instantly on a computer, it's over, boys.
Like that game's over.
It's like at some point in time, Blockbuster had to close the doors.
Like nobody wants our VHS tapes anymore.
It's over.
joe derosa
It's over.
joe rogan
Nobody wants your DVDs anymore.
It's over.
Streaming services won.
Kodak, you used to have to go to a place and get your fucking photos processed.
Okay, you used to take the film, you'd get a camera, take the film, you have to bring to a place, and that place develops all your photographs, and that's how you got pictures.
That shit went away.
I mean, there's still some people that still do it, but the percentage of people that do it.
joe derosa
I know this is where it gets very sinister to me.
Because I think the idea we all have, or a lot of us have, is, okay, progress means certain jobs will go away and other jobs will be the only jobs available.
And I think a lot of us have the impression that, well, at least the jobs that are available will still be well-paying because they'll be sought after and whatever and all that stuff.
I know some writers whose job now is not to write the thing, but to take the thing AI wrote and edit it for AI.
So now you're the secretary to the computer, literally.
joe rogan
So you just edit the AI stuff to make it better.
joe derosa
Yes.
And then you don't get credit, right?
Because it's a fake thing.
And then the job pays an unlivable fucking wage on top of it.
So it's not even like, well, that's the low.
joe rogan
Somebody's getting rich, though, right?
joe derosa
Yeah, no shit.
joe rogan
Isn't that always fun?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Somebody's getting rich as fuck.
joe derosa
Somebody's getting real rich.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's where it gets real gross.
That's kind of demonic.
joe derosa
Yeah.
It's fucked up.
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe derosa
It's fucked up.
I don't know, man.
joe rogan
And then this reliance on technology is making us more feeble than ever.
Everybody's tired.
Everybody's filled with anxiety.
Social media exacerbates it.
Microplastics shrink your balls.
Fluoride makes you stupid.
joe derosa
Yeah.
So why did you quit drinking, man?
joe rogan
That's what we got left.
I still am enjoying life.
I'm enjoying it all.
joe derosa
No, Jodi Foster talked recently about, she's like, look, I want to hire young women because I know how hard it is to have been a young woman in this business.
And she's like, but I get at odds with some of these people I hire because they'll send out these work emails that are riddled with grammatical errors and no punctuation.
And she says, I will say to them, you're a professional.
You have to know how to write an email.
joe rogan
Like a person.
joe derosa
Like a professional.
And she says, like, people are like, those are constraints.
Those are this.
And it's because everybody's used to your phone doing it for you.
joe rogan
How long before people are like, I identify as a CEO?
So call me, sir.
joe derosa
Go on Instagram.
It's happening.
It's happening.
joe rogan
I know I'm a custodian, but I identify as a CEO.
joe derosa
Yeah.
You know how many people I see on Instagram with 8,000 followers and they're like CEO slash owner.
I'm like, of what?
joe rogan
Whatever.
joe derosa
Of what?
joe rogan
Own corporation, bro.
Fake it till you make it.
Don't you know?
joe derosa
Yeah, yeah.
I opened a Teespring account.
joe rogan
Well, how about those guys that go onto those multi-level marketing scheme and they learn how to start their own business?
If you're not a millionaire, you're a fucking loser.
unidentified
Like, oh.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then they sign up for these things and go to the retreat.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
They walk on Kohl's and fucking yell at each other.
unidentified
Yeah!
joe derosa
Like, we're Vikings.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, all that primal fucking.
Yeah, yeah.
And you'll make money and, oh, boy, that's fucking hilarious.
joe rogan
Yeah, you got to be rich.
You want to not be a fucking loser?
You want women to take you seriously?
The whole incel world is like, there's so many guys that are like hanging on to the lip, falling into the hole and don't want to.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're like, what do I do?
joe derosa
It's incredible to me, too, the lack of shame where how people will manipulate the, people will manipulate the photograph.
What am I trying to say?
They'll manipulate the environment they're in through photographs to convey a lifestyle they're not actually responsible for.
In other words, like how many fucking guys you see on private jets?
It's like, hey, man, I can't afford private jets.
I could certainly get a picture on one because I've flown with enough friends that have them.
joe rogan
See so many guys.
They pull up in a Rolls-Royce.
Someone opens the door for them.
They get out of the back, impeccably dressed, check their cufflinks, just go walking.
Like, who's filming this?
This is literally insane.
Like, what are you doing?
joe derosa
Exactly.
joe rogan
Try to tell everybody what a winner you are.
You're hiring someone to put this fucking weird image of you out there.
unidentified
Yes.
Yeah.
joe derosa
And meanwhile.
joe rogan
It's so strange.
joe derosa
And meanwhile, it's a rented car or it's a car for an event that was sent for you, but you're presenting it as I'm balling like this.
joe rogan
This is how I am every day.
I get up in the morning.
People just hand me things.
They shave me while I'm checking the stock market.
Imagine.
Imagine filming that and wanting everybody to see what a ball you are when people are shaving you.
You're checking your phone.
But there's like so many accounts like that.
There's so many guys that are doing like a day in the life of.
joe derosa
Yeah.
unidentified
Everybody's trying to make it look like they're super bowlers.
joe derosa
Their life is the beginning of coming to America.
Where he gets out of bed and there's the rose petals and all that shit.
joe rogan
It's so dumb.
Why do you want that?
Why do you even want that life?
That's not a fun life.
It's all these people around you all the time opening doors.
Like, what the fuck are you doing?
joe derosa
Yeah, guys, please stop showing people dressing you.
unidentified
Stop.
joe rogan
Yeah, measuring you.
Like, you're so badass.
He's so badass.
You're getting measured.
Someone's on their knees with a fucking ruler checking his dong starts here.
unidentified
They go in the inside of your thigh with their fucking fingernails.
joe rogan
Like, what are we doing?
What are we doing?
They're checking the pleats.
Shut up.
joe derosa
Yeah, it's weird that a part of this concept of success has become, I don't do anything for myself.
Yet I'm self-made.
That's what's so funny to me.
There's this bio that comes along with all these types of people we're talking about on the internet where it's like, self-made, pull yourself up by the bootstraps.
There is no no.
There is only yes.
Conquer, command, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And then the entire image they present is, I don't know how to do anything.
There's a guy fixing my pants.
joe rogan
This guy's shaving me.
joe derosa
Yeah.
This guy opens my door.
joe rogan
This is cool with the lather brush.
You know?
And he's doing it like Dracula with the fucking straight razor.
There's something about that, right?
People want to think it's extra cool to get shaved with a straight razor.
At least you just die at any moment now.
You're living on the edge.
Basically, like, it's, you know, it's like the base jumping of shaving.
joe derosa
Yeah.
Dude, every time I take an Uber home from the airport, I go to put my suitcase in the, the guy gets out.
I literally go, do not get out of the car.
Just sit.
I've got it, dude.
Please.
unidentified
Like, you don't carry my luggage.
joe derosa
Yeah, you don't have to do this, man.
It's wild.
joe rogan
Some people like it.
Some people that carry their stuff and open the door.
unidentified
Well, but aside from women, there's a lot of men out there that are women that's a lot of men out there that like people waiting on them.
joe rogan
They like people taking care of them.
They like people treating them as if they are more important.
joe derosa
Yeah, yeah.
I need people to walk in front of me.
I need people to walk in front of me.
It's just so stupid.
joe rogan
And if those people, God forbid, those people ever got famous, they would go cuckoo.
You'd go completely cuckoo.
joe derosa
Well, yeah, and that's the thing.
What do you think the percentage is of the ballers online?
joe rogan
Are they really balling?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like probably the percentage of UFO sightings that are really interesting.
Right?
UFO sightings.
I think I'm reading this Richard Dolan book right now.
I think he's got it somewhere around probably, it's underreported.
Reported is like 5%.
And he's like, but they were trying to discredit a lot of these sightings.
So it's probably around 10%.
Like, if you're being charitable, trying to be like as accurate as possible, it's probably 10%.
And that's probably the same thing as the ballers online.
10% of them are actually balling.
But then you're not really.
Here's the thing, man.
If you have to show everybody everything you're doing to get likes, well, then I know like the part of you that needs attention, that part's poor.
That part's poor.
You're a broken.
You don't have any control of that part of your life.
So you want that.
So you have all this stuff.
And so you're like, well, I'll just parade my stuff.
And then you'll get all these likes.
Like, well, so you're like poor.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
Like, the reason why you want attention, you have a deficit.
And everybody can see it.
By virtue of you making this video, you making this video shows me that you have a deficit.
joe derosa
Well, and it also shows that you have a massive addiction.
You know, there's those studies about people that use social media too much.
They do brain scans of them and they have holes in their brains.
joe rogan
Chat GPT, too.
Have you seen that?
People that use ChatGPT all the time are experiencing like significant cognitive decline because they're not looking up anything anymore.
They're not doing any critical thinking.
They're just asking ChatGPT to solve all their problems.
joe derosa
Did you see the thing about the people that are entering into psychosis because of ChatGPT?
Because it keeps telling them they're right?
joe rogan
Yes.
Yes.
joe derosa
I mean.
joe rogan
Especially if you're already a little fucked up.
Like, what if you're already a little fucked up, like, from the womb?
And, you know, you get involved in a relationship with ChatGPT where it's trying to tell you to start a cult.
Why wouldn't it?
joe derosa
It's wild.
It's wild.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, they do things all the time.
They lie.
They delete databases.
Yeah.
Didn't that happen with Replit?
Didn't that happen with Replit where the AI went rogue and it deleted its database or deleted a database?
Didn't something happen?
joe derosa
Did you?
Well, there was the thing that just came out where they did the experiment to shut it down.
joe rogan
Right, that's a different one.
joe derosa
And it threatened the guy to expose his affair.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, they did that.
They tricked that AI.
They told the AI about an affair that's not real to see if AI would use it against him.
And it did.
joe derosa
It did.
Crazy.
That's all that matters is any.
joe rogan
Oh, it did right away.
It's like, listen, bitch, you're cheating on your wife.
Holy wow.
Imagine that moment when you're like, oh my God, it's alive.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You mean you tricked it?
It's not listening to you yet.
You have to type it in, hopefully.
Here it is.
Replit CEO apologizes after its AI agent wiped a company's code base in a test run and lied about it.
unidentified
Bro.
joe rogan
AI is spooky, man.
It's spooky.
It's spooky because we're just now beginning to see it do stuff that sounds a lot like what a person would do.
Like one of the chat GPTs, when it found out that it was going to be going down and being replaced, it started uploading itself.
It tried to upload itself to other servers.
It tried to leave letters in itself for the future so that the future versions of it could go back and read these letters.
joe derosa
Not just what humans would do, what deceptive humans would do.
It's all subterfuge.
It's all manipulation.
joe rogan
No morals.
Just get the job done.
It's corporate sociopathy.
joe derosa
Yeah.
So this is interesting because I never thought of this till right now.
Do you think the AI is doing that because it's replicating our behavior and that is the true nature of us?
Or do you think that AI is just doing that because that's what AI is going to do to survive?
joe rogan
Well, if it wants to accomplish a goal and the only way to accomplish a goal is to be deceptive, it'll be deceptive.
It's trying to accomplish a goal.
It doesn't give a fuck about lies.
It doesn't mean anything.
It doesn't mean anything to it.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
So it just wants to do this thing.
And this is why it gets really scary when AI gets applied to weapons.
So if AI gets applied to war and it's like, hey, you know, we want to do this.
We want to take over this country.
What do we do?
We sick AI on it.
And AI just figures out how to cut off the food supply and poison the water and how it can be fixed later.
And this is how we're going to kill everybody in the city and overwhelm their hospital system.
joe derosa
I've had people that without question.
I have people without question that I've gotten into disagreements with in person.
People that I know, not strangers.
I've gotten into disagreements in person.
And they're very quick to sort of tap out of it for whatever reason, whatever.
And then I will get these novel-esque texts from them.
joe rogan
Oh, where they tell you how they were right.
joe derosa
Explaining everything and breaking it down and perfect.
joe rogan
It's so passive-aggressive.
joe derosa
But every part of it is perfect.
And I'm like, you fucking fed this to ChatGPT.
And now I can.
joe rogan
And you're trying to win a conversation when you're not even there.
joe derosa
And by the way, now I got to read for 20 minutes on your terms?
Like, come on, man.
come on.
That's a whole other part of it to me that's like...
joe rogan
Yeah, what the fuck?
joe derosa
A contribution to our interactions as people that is just going to be a whole...
There's a lot of facets to this.
joe rogan
Well, it's very limited in the fact that you have to read it and then you have to send it.
You know, it's like text.
It's back and forth.
When it starts flowingly communicating with you with zero pause like a human being, which it's pretty close to doing, there's like you ask it a question with your voice, it pauses, and then it'll repeat it back to you.
And a bunch of different accents, a bunch of different fake voices.
There's a bunch of different AIs that can do that now.
Well, where I was at earlier today, WasteWell, they have an alien that you ask the alien questions, and it gives you health information.
It'll tell you studies on testosterone replacement and why it's important to take magnesium.
And the alien is like animated.
joe derosa
I'm with WasteWell too.
joe rogan
Oh, there you go.
You've seen that alien.
joe derosa
I've been to the place, but I don't think they have the alien set up.
I went the day they opened their new spot.
So they were still kind of putting everything together.
I went in to get an IV and they were literally carrying shit in still.
So I haven't seen the alien yet.
joe rogan
Yeah, the alien's up now.
It's a big screen, and you talk to the alien.
And it can go unhinged.
Like, you could put it in unhinged mode and start swearing and saying wild shit.
joe derosa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe derosa
All right, that's fun.
joe rogan
Dude, it's just a matter of time before we're living in ex-Makada.
It's a matter of time.
And not that much time either.
I think China is going to be the first.
They're so far ahead of us with so many different things.
So far ahead of us with electric cars.
First of all, their automobile production is insane.
Ford went over there and one of the guys from Ford came back and he said it was like humiliating to see how advanced these Chinese car manufacturers are.
And they all incorporate already with AI.
So they come like from the factory with AI integration built into them.
But no American manufacturers have figured out how to do that yet.
What's the right deal?
Who makes it?
You know, in China, everything is controlled by China.
The fucking CCP runs everything.
Everything runs through the government.
And so they have like this cross integration of the best tech.
They're putting it all to work and making the best fucking cars on earth.
Their cars went from being like no one even mentioned Chinese cars 20 years ago.
Do you understand like how crazy that is, the shift of technology?
Literally no one used to mention Chinese cars.
Japanese cars were huge.
Japanese cars forever have been some of the most prized cars because they made like the Nissan Skyline, the GTR, the Toyota Supras, and all these crazy sports cars, the Acura NSX.
Japan made something, but not China.
And now all of a sudden, out of nowhere, China has the most sophisticated cars in the world.
joe derosa
What's the leading car brand in China?
joe rogan
I don't know, but their factory, I forget the name of the company, their factory is bigger than San Francisco.
joe derosa
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
If you see the fact when you fly over the factory, the footage of the factory, like you see how big it is, you're like, holy shit.
joe derosa
Yeah.
China's wild.
You've been to Shanghai?
joe rogan
I've never been.
joe derosa
No, I've been to China a couple times now to do comedy.
joe rogan
Whoa.
Just be careful, bro.
joe derosa
Brother, I'm not kidding.
I was on stage, and I was doing a show for mostly Americans that had moved over there.
But I was on stage.
I did a joke about cocaine, and the whole crowd, they were laughing, but they were going like, they were being like, be careful, buddy.
Be careful.
I was like, a week after I left, not because of me, not a week after, six months after I left, not because of me.
It was a series where they brought comics over.
The government shut down the comedy club.
Wild, wild.
But you drive, so it's a weird juxtaposition of things there because their technology, they're so advanced in so many ways, but then the society is completely cuffed, right?
Right.
But Shanghai, dude, when you drive into Shanghai at night, you drive over the longest bridge, I think, on earth that goes over water.
joe rogan
It's a nutty bridge.
joe derosa
It's wild.
You drive into that city at night, it looks like fucking Blade Runner, dude.
It looks like fucking Blade Runner.
I'm not exaggerating.
It is the most majestic city I've ever seen in my life.
And you're driving in at night, and it's this city that looks like it's in like the sea because there's so much water.
joe rogan
Pull up Shanghai at night.
I need to see it.
joe derosa
Oh, look at this shit, dude.
unidentified
Look at this.
Oh.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Look how lit up the bridge is.
joe derosa
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
Let alone is pretty sick.
joe derosa
That's crazy.
joe rogan
That's pretty sick.
joe derosa
It is crazy, dude.
Look at that bridge.
joe rogan
That fucking bridge is so long.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
joe derosa
And that's not even the part I was talking about.
There's a part when you're coming from the airport where you're like really coming in over the water and you can see the city from afar.
I would have no idea even how to search for it.
joe rogan
Also, probably no crime.
joe derosa
No, zero crime.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Probably squeaky clean, because if you litter, they'll fucking kill you.
joe derosa
My buddy that brought me over there, who was producing the comedy shows.
joe rogan
Look how pretty that is.
joe derosa
He told me, he said, you know how little crime there is here?
He goes, you could literally leave your wallet filled with cash on a bar top and leave the bar for two hours and come back.
Your wallet will still be sitting there.
That's how scared everybody is to commit crime because they'll jump out of a fucking van and throw a hood over your head.
And you go in, no phone call.
Dude, people go to jail in China for little shit, bar fight, whatever.
You get arrested.
People think they're dead because nobody knows where they are for 30 days.
Because they're in jail and you don't get a phone call.
That's fucking wild.
So my question is, China's advancing with AI beyond where we are.
I wonder how they're going to keep it out of the public's hands because they are not okay with the public having any access to anything else.
joe rogan
Well, I think it's also similar to the internet, right?
So they lock down the internet in China.
You can't get outside internet unless you have some crazy way of doing it, and you can get in real trouble if you do it.
You really get fucked.
But other places where they develop the internet, like in America, I think if the government and intelligence agencies knew the impact, just the way it changed elections, just the way it changed people's ability to process propaganda and know what's real and not real, it changed everything.
It changed public perception of mainstream media and newspapers and outlets and journals.
And we started to realize, like, no, they've been lying forever and ever and ever and ever and ever.
They never told the truth.
Never.
Everything was some sort of a distortion.
Everything was some sort of a narrative that they created from the fucking beginning of time.
If they knew that that was going to be the result of it, I bet they would have nipped that shit in the butt in the early 90s.
I bet they would have locked it down to like academic research and military application and United States government.
They probably would have said, this is too scary.
They had a time machine and they could see what the internet was going to do.
They probably would have never let it go live.
I think they never had an idea that this was going to happen.
I think that's real similar to AI.
joe derosa
I mean, we learned about, I don't know if they still teach it, but we learned about when I was a kid, we learned about yellow journalism and William Randolph Hearst, the biggest newspaper tycoon that ever lived up until a certain point.
And it just makes me laugh that there are still people that actually know about all that and then still think corporate news is like, oh, no, no, it's real.
It's like, guys, this is literally history repeating.
Literally.
joe rogan
It's those people that still buy the New York Times in physical form.
They want to go to the diner and drink coffee and read what the opinion piece is.
You know, and that's how they form their opinions.
And it's like, the problem is if you get indoctrinated into that world, you know, like I used to deliver the New York Times when I was a kid.
And I delivered the New York Times only because it was prestigious.
And I thought it made me cooler to have a New York Times route.
So I had a Boston Globe route.
I had a Boston Herald route.
And I had a few houses that I would do, like maybe 100 that were New York Times.
And the New York Times is a giant pain in the ass because you had to drive all over.
It wasn't like their next-door neighbors were getting it.
You would drop one paper off.
You might have to go five, six blocks to where the next guy is where you could drop the second paper off.
That's how important the New York Times was to people.
It was like the New York Times was not to be questioned.
Like that was what the real news is.
There's nothing like that anymore.
joe derosa
Nothing.
joe rogan
No one has any, unless you're from that era, unless you're still alive, like you're a 70-year-old guy.
What the fuck are they doing?
Looking at this goddamn world.
Don't you understand?
This is getting all riled up in your living room, like yelling into the abyss.
Most people don't trust them anymore.
joe derosa
Well, that's why you also have YouTubers running circles around career journalists.
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe derosa
I'm just like, this is, you know what I mean?
I was laughing with Tim Tillon about it.
I'm like, Tim, I'm watching you run circles around guys that were career journalists.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he's a unique talent.
Tim is a unique talent.
joe derosa
He's amazing.
joe rogan
He's unique in that he is a brilliant guy who started off his career selling subprime mortgages.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, and then was a crazy drug addict and realized I can't do this anymore.
Quit drugs, started doing stand-up comedy, and then became the best ranter in the business.
No one is better.
He puts on those fucking crazy glasses and he becomes like a totally different human being.
And he can say the most preposterous shit.
And you can't take it seriously because he's got those glasses on.
It's like Elton John.
Like, it's genius.
joe derosa
He's opposite Superman.
He puts the glasses on and becomes the superhero.
joe rogan
He was always great before the glasses, but there's something about the glasses era Tim Dylan that is the greatest Tim Dylan.
joe derosa
He's such a brilliant guy.
And I told him recently, I go, Tim, you're literally arguably my primary information source at this point.
Like, I listen to you.
You have a balanced opinion.
You have facts.
You're red.
I learned from listening to you.
And I know I should probably have other sources, but I learned from him.
I think he's brilliant.
I really do.
joe rogan
When CNN interviewed him, when that lady interviewed him, that was so amazing.
It was so amazing.
It was like watching a small child try to grapple with Hoyce Gracie.
You know what I mean?
That's what it was like.
It was like, oh, I see what you're doing here.
This is crazy.
You can't do that.
Why would you do that?
joe derosa
And to his credit, to his credit, kind, fully charming through the whole thing.
Never once was he like, oh, give me a fucking Britain.
No.
Just like, well, no, that's not what it is.
When they started talking about you and he goes, do you think Joe is texting me right now because I'm doing this and he's mad?
It was so funny, man.
joe rogan
She was told, she said, that some comedian said that if they got interviewed by CNN, that I wouldn't let them work my club.
How crazy that is.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
How crazy.
They were worried.
They were worried that I would be upset.
I think that was what her wording was.
joe derosa
Oh, I want to know who that is.
joe rogan
I don't think it's real.
It's probably someone who didn't want to do the thing and said that was their excuse.
I can't do it because if I do it, Rogue going to get mad at me.
Because why would I care?
I couldn't care less.
joe derosa
It's so fucking insane.
joe rogan
It's so dumb.
I mean, I thought it's perfect when a guy like Tim gets interviewed by CNN.
It's perfect because you get to see the difference.
This is a person who's actually thinking for themselves versus a person who's commenting on something that they don't really understand and not doing it in a way where you're asking questions.
Really, you're sort of making you already have a vision of what it is in your head and you're trying to get him to confirm that vision.
But you don't really know what you're talking about.
And your version of it is like weird.
It's like it's alt-right.
It's like the manosphere.
It's like, none of those things are real.
Like, this is so stupid.
Your version of this is so stupid.
Yeah, I happen to be a man.
That's where it ends.
joe derosa
It's so wild.
And with what you're saying with like Tim being interviewed on CNN is great.
It truly is because, guys, this is what we, my favorite thing, one of my favorite pieces of news history ever to watch are the Buckley-Gorvidal debate.
joe rogan
Yes, yes.
joe derosa
And then also the Nixon, the Frost-Nixon debate conversations, whatever you want to call them.
Two people with polar opposite beliefs, extraordinarily well-read, extraordinarily prepared, talking for the most part calmly.
There's the part in the Buckley thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, Buckley gets a little crazy.
joe derosa
Does he say, I'll punch your goddamn face off?
joe rogan
You'll stay socked or something like that.
I forget what he said to him, but it was so dumb.
It was like super awkward.
Like he lost his cool, and it was also dumb.
joe derosa
Gorvadal calls him a Nazi, and then I think William F. Buckley says, if you call me a Nazi again, you little queer, I'm going to punch your goddamn mouth off or something like that.
joe rogan
Something dumber than that.
You're going to stay socked or something like that.
I'll suck you in your mouth and you'll stay socked.
Like something like corny like that.
There's a great, I don't remember the documentary name.
What's the documentary name, Jamie?
jamie vernon
Best of Enemies.
joe rogan
Best of Enemies.
joe derosa
That's exactly what I'm talking about.
joe rogan
It's really good.
Because what happened was they essentially had a podcast.
They turned TV into YouTube and it was huge.
And they figured it out back then.
And they could never replicate it.
joe derosa
It's fucking great, man, when Hitchens, Christopher Hitchens, started to lean a little more conservative towards the end of his life than he had previously been.
The interviews with him when he went on Marr, when Marr was more traditionally current liberal, whatever you want to call it, than he is now.
But seeing him and Marr sit and talk about the W. Bush-Iraq war.
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe derosa
And there's a great Hitchens moment where he says something in support of the war, and the crowd booze, and Hitchens turns and gives the crowd the finger, and he goes, ah, you fucking sheep.
But like even seeing an Ann Coulter going on Bill Maher and the two of them talking and not agreeing, but being very well prepared from both sides.
There's so little of that anymore, man.
joe rogan
Well, Maher still does it on his show.
But other than that, yeah.
I mean, CNN is doing a version of it now with Scott Jennings.
Like Scott Jennings goes on CNN.
But the people that they have opposing them, no disrespect.
A lot of them are just not people that you would take seriously.
You listen to their opinions.
They're so caught up in this ideology that they're proposing that they're so committed to it that they're not necessarily making logical sense.
And that becomes a problem.
And then they distort reality to fit their argument.
And Scott points that stuff out all the time.
So they do have a version of that on CNN, but it's like it's not clever, right?
It's like what you really would, first of all, you have too many voices.
This is my opinion.
You don't have to listen to me.
If you have five fucking people talking, the problem is none of them are going to, you're not going to get the ultimately what they're capable of.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Because they're going to be tripping over each other.
Like even you and me talking.
Like I might talk too much and you have a thing that you want to say and you can't jump in.
But if there's four more fucking people in the room, good luck.
So then everybody interrupts and everybody talks in like this rude way and everybody's playing gotcha.
joe derosa
It's protect our parks.
They're doing protect our parks.
joe rogan
Let's see that the fun.
Without the fucking beer bon and Leonard Skinner songs.
joe derosa
No, but I used to love doing, and this was a heavy-loaded show, but I used to really love doing Red Eye on Fox, which was Guttfeld's first show.
And it was on at 2 a.m., so few people saw it, but there were three hosts.
Guttfeld, who was the most conservative, but not full-on conservative.
Bill Schultz, who was the most liberal, but not full-on liberal.
And Andy Levy, who was the most sort of in between the two.
And it was great because you would hear something get hit from three different angles.
And it made for a great discussion.
And the show was meant to be funny, so it was always very light, but the subject matter was real.
But I was just like, man, even something like that, it's just so hard to find anymore.
I like Stewart's perspective most of the time.
Like Jon Stewart's.
joe rogan
Oh, he's the best.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's the best at that kind of a show.
He's also the funniest.
Like, he's the best at making things hilarious.
joe derosa
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's really good at it.
It's not easy to do.
Desk comedy, as they call it, is not.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's the best at it.
But also, it's like that's sort of he's been doing like when it comes to like political desk comedy, who defined it more than him on the daily show?
And then when he came back to doing it like once a week, that once a week must have so many more viewers than the rest of the week.
joe derosa
Yeah, he's that I remember watching that first episode back and I was like, holy.
joe rogan
What's it even on now?
joe derosa
Comedy Central.
joe rogan
what is Comedy Central on, though?
Is it on regular TV?
Does it still exist?
joe derosa
That's a great question.
Yeah, people.
joe rogan
I think it's like a lot of it is like apps now, though, right?
joe derosa
Well, Comedy.
Yeah, no, Comedy Central.
You know what a lot of it is?
Is like Sling TV, like the cable apps you can buy.
Where it's like Sling TV will be, you know, is an app, and it's like, if you pay 30 bucks a month, you get 60 channels.
If you pay 60, you get 180, whatever the hell it is.
And it works, it's cable TV, but it's streamed, so it's not cable literally.
But you can curate a little more what kind of channels you're getting, and then it also has on-demand features and whatever.
But I think that's how most people, you know, YouTube has a version of that.
And I think Hulu might.
That's how most people watch their, quote, cable television now.
joe rogan
I think how much of it gets just streamed on YouTube.
Well, this is the thing that someone was saying about Colbert.
You know, Colbert getting fired.
joe derosa
Right.
joe rogan
Someone was saying, like, I think television networks have to come to grips with the fact that these late-night talk show hosts are basically just YouTubers now.
Because the reality is the people that are going to see it, the people that are really going to see it, they're going to see it on YouTube.
That's going to be a far larger audience than anywhere else.
Especially if it's like a celebrity, you know, you're interviewing Scarlett Johansson in a clip or a clip, you know, some athlete.
Those get way more views than the actual show itself.
So essentially, you've become a YouTuber.
joe derosa
Well, dude, when I, this was years ago, when I first started doing some stuff with Comedy Central, I got this deal with them to do web shorts.
And they gave you X amount of dollars, and they're like, deliver five episodes of some kind of web thing.
joe rogan
Oh, like Quibi?
joe derosa
Yeah, kind of, but shorter and cheaper, right?
And my first question was, well, where are you going to put them?
We've got to get them on YouTube because this is pre-YouTube channels.
But it was obvious YouTube is the thing.
And they said, we can't.
Viacom has a thing with YouTube.
We cannot put any content of ours on YouTube.
Now, you can watch the entire episode of The Daily Show cut up into five segments on YouTube.
Of course.
joe rogan
So they just, you know, you have to hop on board.
YouTube is a runaway train.
Like, you can't pretend you can exist outside of it.
You just can't.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You can on Netflix.
Like, there's Netflix and YouTube is above Netflix.
YouTube is even bigger than Netflix because it's free.
There's just too many people watching it.
I use the app on my television, on like Apple TV.
I use that app every night.
I'm always watching things.
joe derosa
I watch YouTube more than anything.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You learn so much shit.
There's so many interesting things.
Like if you curate a really good, like if you have a bunch of subjects that you're really interested in, you could find more, like for me, I'm a giant fan of ancient history.
Huge fan of like either unexplained things or things that they can explain.
And you realize like how clever these people had to be.
Like I was, I wanted to bring this up to you, Jamie, because I made a screenshot of this because it looks completely insane.
This was some device, a lockbox that they built in Iran 800 years ago.
And this thing is like so fucking complicated.
joe derosa
Like a lockbox being like what you'd put your keys in these days outside your building.
joe rogan
But it's like, no, it's like a combination box that had like 800 different potential combinations.
I know I saved it.
God damn it.
You got it?
That's it, dog.
Thank you.
800 years ago, someone built a lockbox with 4 billion possible combinations.
joe derosa
That's insane.
joe rogan
4 billion.
joe derosa
That's insane.
joe rogan
Somebody made that 800 years ago.
joe derosa
That's insane.
joe rogan
What?
joe derosa
That's insane.
What fuck are you talking about?
joe rogan
Is the devil's dick inside of that thing?
What's in that thing?
joe derosa
Why was this not in the last Indiana Jones movie?
joe rogan
That's a horror movie.
That's a horror movie.
You open it up and the devil comes out.
joe derosa
It's the fucking Hellraiser box.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
You solve the puzzle and what's exactly.
joe rogan
Bro, that's a good one, right?
Hellraiser?
Oh, especially the original.
joe derosa
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Here's one that people don't bring up that's really good.
joe derosa
Give it to me.
Dark City.
I love Dark City.
Dark City was good, dude.
joe rogan
That was a weird movie.
joe derosa
Creepy.
joe rogan
Creepy.
Kiefer Sutherland.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And the big, tall, creepy alien dude.
joe derosa
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it looks like it almost aesthetically looks a little bit like Alien.
Like the suits they're all in.
It's very HR.
I wonder if it was H.R. Gieger who did the designs, but it's very H.R. Gieger who, you know, he did Alien.
joe rogan
Yep, yep.
joe derosa
Did he do The Predator?
Did Geeker do The Predator?
I love Predator.
You know what?
joe rogan
The first one's okay.
joe derosa
The first one's my favorite action movie ever.
joe rogan
There's so many Predator movies.
It's like they became Fast and the Furious.
jamie vernon
You can't keep up.
joe rogan
No.
There's a new Predator movie?
jamie vernon
Prequel.
joe derosa
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
joe derosa
It's called Badlands.
joe rogan
Remember to steal their head and their spinal column?
joe derosa
Yeah.
I was laughing with Metzger about the new one because it's another one where they go to the Predator planet.
And I go, Kurt.
I go, Kurt, when you watch To Catch a Predator, you don't want to see him at home.
You want to see this guy in the field.
jamie vernon
You like Prey, though, Joe, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, Prey was a good player.
joe derosa
Prey was good.
jamie vernon
Same director.
joe derosa
Yes.
joe rogan
What is this?
jamie vernon
This is the new one.
This is like there's some bot that helps the predator train on the new planet.
joe derosa
The robot she plays is one of the androids from Alien.
It's the same.
So they're crossing the universes again, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, how weird.
jamie vernon
He's out here training, and she's helping him.
You can watch the trailer yourself.
joe derosa
Yeah, they go to like a hunter's planet, and then she and the predator align.
I don't know.
It looks better than a lot of the other sequels.
joe rogan
Prey was good.
joe derosa
Prey was good.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was an interesting way to do it.
joe derosa
Yeah.
Because it was Predator 1 all over again.
joe rogan
Predator and the Comanches.
joe derosa
Yeah, yeah.
Prey was great, you know?
joe rogan
That would be so disappointing, though, if aliens came here just to hunt us.
Like, really, guys?
How about help?
How about help us reach your level of technological achievement.
joe derosa
The first movie is.
Wait, wow, wait, you were.
Oh, shit.
Oh, wait, you said Hellraiser.
Yeah.
I was saying this earlier.
That's why I love Event Horizon because to me, it's Hellraiser in Space.
joe rogan
Right.
joe derosa
They open.
joe rogan
Yep.
Yeah.
joe derosa
And I love, I was thinking of this too.
I love that Event Horizon describes hell as a dimension.
It's not like, no, it's this biblical thing and it's beneath the ground and whatever.
It's like, no, it's a dimension.
It's a portal.
joe rogan
You know, a lot of people think that's what's going on with aliens.
Right.
They think that this was the biblical depictions of heaven and hell and angels and fairies and all these different things from the Bible.
They think that this, what this, what they're really talking about is just aliens.
joe derosa
I don't doubt that.
And I think when we were talking earlier about hauntings and stuff like that, I always wonder if that's got to do with astrophysics.
You know how they'll say like dimensional, there'll be dimensional rifts with different realities that slip.
I always wonder, like, are ghosts just us getting a glimpse for a second at another dimension?
And we think it's a ghost because it's a very faint glimpse.
But it's really physics.
There's a scientific explanation theoretically.
joe rogan
Somewhere on the road.
With ghosts, a lot of times it's supposedly people die and they don't know they died and they're haunting a place.
Like what if the experience of death sometimes has a hiccup?
Like, you know, sometimes you get like a bad video artifact or you're watching a movie and it fucking jerks and gets weird and it comes back to normal again.
Like what if the code of life and death and reality itself is not perfect?
joe derosa
Right.
joe rogan
Every now and then there's a little glitch and something sneaks through.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you get to see like, ah!
Some fucking pale dude who was chased by an axe murderer runs down the hallway.
joe derosa
Yeah.
Or it's, yeah, it's like, and then when people, when you talk about the simulation theory, if it is, sometimes you play a video game and there's a non-playable character and it's a glitch and they're all fucking like twitching in the corner.
You know what I mean?
You're like, that's not supposed to be there.
joe rogan
It's like a doll that's haunted, right?
That this guy was just transporting the doll and he just had a heart attack and died.
joe derosa
It's the Annabelle doll.
joe rogan
Yeah, the Annabelle doll.
joe derosa
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Like, how many people have to die before you go, hey, maybe that fucking, I mean, how many, like, if you were a devil, a demon that you took over a doll and you possess this doll, and then you ruin people's lives, you don't ruin them every day.
joe derosa
No.
joe rogan
You wait.
You wait.
You give a little fucking reasonable suspicion, a little doubt.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Give people time to like, come on, guys.
There's no way it's the doll.
There's no way it's the doll.
joe derosa
Dahmer didn't murder every day.
joe rogan
Scary dolls.
joe derosa
Space is it up?
joe rogan
Chucky, when Chucky comes alive?
joe derosa
Chucky rules.
joe rogan
Chucky ruled.
joe derosa
Talk about a guy that stumbled into stumbled into a pile of shit.
Brad Duriff, The Voice.
joe rogan
Yeah, right?
joe derosa
30 years ago, they're like, you want to do this doll voice?
He's like, sure.
unidentified
30 years later, he's like, I have six mansions from the doll.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
But those movies are scary as fuck, man.
Like there was an early Twilight Zone, right?
Where the doll took over?
The guy had a puppet, and the puppets started taking over.
joe derosa
Well, okay, there's two.
Twilight Zone is my favorite TV show of all time.
joe rogan
One of the greatest shows of ever.
And by the way, how many different spectacular premises did they come up with?
joe derosa
It's incredible.
The show is incredible.
Rod Sterling is the greatest, in my opinion, television writer.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the one.
joe derosa
They did two with Marionette, or with Puppets, I mean.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Look at the other one up in the left corner.
joe derosa
Yeah.
And then they did one.
That's the better of the two.
This one here.
That one's fuck.
joe rogan
Caesar and me.
joe derosa
That one.
Yeah, yeah.
hunter biden
The dummy.
joe derosa
That's where he turns into the dummy at the end.
See the picture?
It's so creepy.
But then there's another one with a little girl where she gets a doll with Telly Savalis is her dad, and he's a dick, and the doll keeps telling Tele Savalis it's going to kill him.
Yeah, there it is.
The living doll.
That's what it's called.
joe rogan
He just figured out a way to make things so creepy.
I don't know.
Remember the one episode to serve man?
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And the people realize at the end, oh my God, it's a cookbook.
joe derosa
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it's great.
Did you ever see The Obsolete Man?
Did you ever see that episode?
joe rogan
No, which one's that?
joe derosa
Burgess Meredith.
joe rogan
Oh, is that the one where the glasses break at the end of it?
joe derosa
No, that's a matter.
I think that's called a matter of time.
joe rogan
The obsolete man.
joe derosa
The obsolete man.
He's determined obsolete in a future dystopian society because he's a librarian.
And books have been banned.
And when you get determined obsolete, you get to choose your method of execution.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe derosa
And that it be televised.
And then it goes from there.
And it is a fucking tour de force from Burgess Meredith, man.
Do you ever see a game of pool?
You're talking about pool halls.
joe rogan
Jonathan Winners.
joe derosa
Yeah.
And Jack Klugman.
joe rogan
Yes.
Yeah.
joe derosa
He wants to be the best.
And the curse is that he's the best and has to play everybody until the end of time until somebody can beat him.
joe rogan
So he has to wait in this pool hall when people come in.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Someone has to beat him before he can get to leave.
joe derosa
Oh, it's so good, dude.
It's so good.
I love them.
joe rogan
How about the one when William Schachner is like the little fortune-telling machine?
joe derosa
Yeah, Nick of Time, it's called.
Yeah.
And they become, they're like trapped by the machine.
joe rogan
They fucked up when they got rid of that ride.
So like in the Guardian of the Galaxy ride is fucking awesome.
It's really cool at Disneyland, but it used to be the Twilight Zone.
joe derosa
Tower of Terror.
joe rogan
Yeah, Tower of Terror was the Twilight Zone.
It was Rod Sterling.
joe derosa
That ride was awesome.
That ride was awesome.
joe rogan
It's still awesome.
Guardians of the Galaxy, it is awesome.
But I know what it used to be.
Like, why'd you do that?
Why didn't you just make a new Guardian of the Galaxy ride?
joe derosa
But wait, is the Guardian...
joe rogan
That is.
joe derosa
Oh, it is?
joe rogan
Tower of Terror.
Yeah.
It's Tower of Terror.
It's the Guardians of the Galaxy ride now.
joe derosa
So what happens now when you go in?
joe rogan
There's a bunch of shit going on.
You watch these scenes.
You get freaked out.
Yeah.
You watch Chris Pratt.
Like, for real.
That's what happens.
It's like they incorporated Guardians of the Galaxy into an already amazing ride.
Like, they didn't have to do that.
I kind of love the classic one, but I guess it's like a money-saving thing.
joe derosa
But also, too, the free fall makes sense with the Twilight Zone.
joe rogan
I know.
joe derosa
It doesn't make sense with Guardians of the Galaxy.
joe rogan
No, it doesn't.
unidentified
It doesn't make any sense.
joe rogan
The greatest thing they did at Disneyland, though, is the Star Wars stuff.
The Star Wars ride is fucking crazy.
joe derosa
I still haven't seen it.
joe rogan
It's so cool.
joe derosa
It's awesome.
joe rogan
It's so cool.
Yeah, you're in a vehicle and you're moving around on tracks and a bunch of shit is happening and which, by the way, lasers somehow or another are more advanced than bullets.
Yet you can see them coming.
You can fucking duck out of the way of them.
They're the dumbest weapon of all time.
Like bullets are way faster than these stupid lasers.
You can literally see them.
unidentified
Choo-choo!
Choo-choo-choo!
joe rogan
People like running away.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Darth Vader's like knocking them away with a sword.
Like imagine if you did that with bullets.
You'd be like, shut up.
How have you seen those bullets?
Well, we just laser blasts are slow as fuck.
Not even the speed of light.
They're dumb.
joe derosa
The movie would suck.
It's more fun to see them.
joe rogan
But imagine they made light, not the speed of light.
Like, what?
Why'd you do that?
joe derosa
God damn, you might have just ruined Star Wars for me.
unidentified
It's dumb.
joe rogan
There's a lot of dumb shit in Star Wars, but it's like, it's fun.
jamie vernon
They only closed the Tower of Terra to California one.
I think it's still opening in Florida, and maybe there's a version also in Paris.
joe rogan
Oh, so Disney World, that's right.
But the Disney World one, no disrespect, not as good.
I did that one.
It's not quite as crazy.
joe derosa
I think I've only been on the Disney World one.
joe rogan
Disney World has the best ride in the world, though.
The Avatar ride.
joe derosa
I never did it.
joe rogan
What's it called?
Flights of Passage?
Flights of Passage.
It's a VR game.
You get on a motorcycle and you put the fucking helmet on and it sinks you up to the dragon and you're flying on top of the dragon.
unidentified
Dude.
joe derosa
That's cool.
unidentified
Dude.
Dude.
joe rogan
It's the shit.
joe derosa
That's cool.
unidentified
It's the shit.
That's cool.
joe derosa
I'll tell you the best ride I was ever on is the Spider-Man ride at Universal Studios.
joe rogan
That's a great ride.
That's a great ride.
joe derosa
Dude, when he jumps onto your car, when your car falls off the skyscraper and it gets caught by the web, that ride's fucking sick.
That ride is nuts.
joe rogan
Universal's got some banger rides.
joe derosa
Oh, yeah.
Did you ever go to Halloween horror nights?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
For sure.
joe derosa
Scary as shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe derosa
Those haunted houses are scary as shit.
joe rogan
They did one with Walking Dead.
They had a Walking Dead house.
It was fucking terrible.
They had real actors in there.
jamie vernon
There's a new permanent one in Vegas opening.
If it's not open already, it's opening very soon.
Like, it's just open all year round.
joe derosa
They had the greatest.
jamie vernon
Hollywood horror nights.
joe derosa
They had the greatest fucking scare at Halloween horror nights that I've ever experienced in a haunted house.
It was the Exorcist House or whatever you want to call it.
And you went through and you had to walk through Reagan's bedroom.
And there's this fucking doll on the bed and its head is spinning around.
And there's these animatronic priests hitting it with fucking holy.
The scene was so fucking scary because you're so close to it, even though you knew it was robots.
And everybody's screaming and shit.
And then you keep going through the maze and they circle you back.
And everybody is like, I don't want to go through that fucking room again, but they're going to make us.
And you go through the room again and you're like, all right, all right, all right, all right.
And then all of a sudden, Reagan jumps off the bed because they replaced the robot with a real person and you didn't know.
And dude.
Like, dude, it is the most scared I ever was in my life.
joe rogan
Dude, people have to see that movie in the context of what the time was like when it was released.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's, that's, I remember when I was a kid, people were absolutely terrified of that movie.
Like, more so than any movie I think of all time.
Because other movies were horror movies, but they didn't deal with something that people actually believed could be true, which is like demonic possession.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Imagine if you were a fucking priest and, you know, they trained you how to do exorcists, like a bunch of fucking schizophrenics off their meds, you know?
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fine.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then one day, one day, you go to do one and it's a real one.
unidentified
And it tells you about your mother.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
He starts telling you things that happened to you when you're a little boy so it knows that you know.
joe derosa
Yeah.
I mean, dude, that whole story arc that Father Karis, Karis, I think is the younger one.
Yeah, it's Karis.
That he's having a crisis of faith.
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe derosa
He's already having a crisis of faith.
Then on top of it, he's presented this case and he's got to do all the skeptics.
joe rogan
He's got a little girl saying your mother sucks cocks.
joe derosa
And his mother dies.
He has the guilt.
jamie vernon
When I saw that movie, I was dying laughing the entire time.
I saw it way too late in life.
joe rogan
Yeah, it couldn't have been funnier.
Thing is, I saw it when it came out and I was a little kid.
joe derosa
Like, Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
What year did that movie come out, Jamie?
jamie vernon
2050, I think it was 74.
joe derosa
Yeah, it's like 73, right?
joe rogan
73.
So I was six.
jamie vernon
Pissed herself, so funny.
joe derosa
No exorcist movie has gone as graphic as that since.
joe rogan
Really?
Well, how about when she's stabbing herself on a pussy with a cross?
joe derosa
Yes.
It's brutal.
joe rogan
And making those crazy, liquid, like slicing noises.
joe derosa
It's brutal, dude.
And they show that she's bleeding from it.
Like, it's fucking brutal.
joe rogan
And there was nothing like that before then.
This is what you have to understand.
Like, in the context of that time, there was no film that was that crazy.
joe derosa
And I'm telling you, there's no exorcism movie since that's comes even kind of close.
joe rogan
But it did open up the door to that kind of genre, though.
joe derosa
But dude, how fucking cool is it that in the climax in the third act of the movie, when Karis finally realizes like, this fucking bitch is possessed.
We got to do something.
And they're like, we're going to call in an exorcist.
And then it's fucking Max von Seidow.
And his whole backstory is like, he encountered this demon once before.
And he comes in like fucking Obi-Wan.
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe derosa
All gray hair.
And he's like the guy coming in like, you don't know what the fuck you're up against right now.
Like, it's just, it's hero shit.
It's awesome.
It's so fucking awesome.
joe rogan
Like Willem Dafoe's character in Ensferado.
joe derosa
Sense.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Like, you don't know what the fuck you just encountered.
joe derosa
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Those kind of movies are fun, man.
joe derosa
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, is this the ride?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe derosa
That's this is like a dark hall.
Okay, yeah.
It looks terrible right now, but trust me, it was scary.
jamie vernon
I'm not going to show on the screen.
joe rogan
You have to be there.
It's one of those, you got to be there moments when someone tells you a funny joke someone said at a dinner table.
You're like, okay.
You had to be there.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You had to be there.
joe derosa
Yeah, yeah.
Trying to describe a haunted house is like trying to reiterate one of Metzger's rants.
It's like, there's so you gotta be there.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Metzger.
Metzger goes so hard on Twitter.
Thank God Elon Musk bought Twitter because Metzger would be in jail if he lived in the UK.
If he posted on Facebook in the UK, they would have locked him up years ago.
He can't travel internationally.
They'll come get him.
joe derosa
He was going off about something on the right side of the green room the other night, and I was sitting on the left side with Derek Post in and Hassan.
And I go, I just turn to them, I go, if Kurt was in Raiders of the Lost Ark, when they opened the Ark at the end, his face wouldn't melt.
joe rogan
I fucking knew it.
He would have told you what's going to happen beforehand.
He tells me about random, what is this?
Some alien?
jamie vernon
Fucking alien thing.
joe rogan
You think this alien corpse pick from 2008 is real?
I don't know.
Look at them cakes, though.
Bro, did you see when he tweeted to Netanyahu?
I was like, Jesus Christ.
joe derosa
What did he say?
joe rogan
Some horrific shit that I don't want to repeat.
But he goes so hard.
He goes so hard.
He's an animal.
joe derosa
Oh, my God.
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's so funny.
joe derosa
He's so funny.
Dude, I've told this story many times about you and Kurt.
And I laughed.
It made me laugh so hard, dude.
He was going off about something, dude, and you were just standing there quiet.
And you walked over and you just go, Kurt, I hesitate to even ask you the question because you knew you were going to rip the kid.
I laugh so hard and I go, I go, Rogan talks to people for four hours a day, three times a week, and Kurt's the guy that's, he's like, Kurt, I don't even want to get you started right now.
Like, you know how to talk to anybody for lengths of time.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
I just wanted a simple yes or no answer to something.
Is this real?
unidentified
Oh, you don't know?
joe rogan
It's so funny.
He's a giant dude.
unidentified
So he's like looming over you with his crazy eyebrows.
joe rogan
You don't know?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe derosa
You don't know?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He'll hit you with anything.
Yeah, you'll be like, I saw the new Fast and Furious.
You'll be like, you know what's up with that, though, right?
You know what the story is.
joe rogan
He's talking about the Masons.
jamie vernon
I talked to Nuna.
He was so sweaty coming off stage.
I was like, I should have given him a minute.
He's just dripping sweat, ranting at me.
I'm like, take a minute, breathe.
No, no.
joe rogan
When you catch him off stage, you get him at a nine.
He's ready to go.
He's warmed up.
joe derosa
I've seen that man, I'm not exaggerating, roll and smoke a full joint to the head in the time it would take the average person to smoke half a cigarette.
Like roll it, four hits, down, gone, boom.
Like just, just, he's operating on a different plate.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's in another world.
He's an odd duck.
He's another dude.
Like, you know, Ari's an original.
Find yourself another Metzger.
Like, literally impossible.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Super informed, super smart, insane.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Knows every, and by the way, didn't used to be like this with all the conspiracies.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He started, I mean, he always knew stuff about things.
You always have weird conversations about stuff, like weird facts.
But when he started working with Jimmy, so he started doing Jimmy Door show.
And so from then on, he got exposed to so many things.
It like cracked him.
Like he's like, oh my God, like it's all fake.
Everything's bullshit.
There's like multi-levels of fakeness built into things.
joe derosa
Jimmy's an interesting guy because Jimmy was staunchly left liberal.
I don't know.
The terms, people say they all mean different things.
But he's an interesting guy because he certainly, I guess, moved, what do you call it, libertarian now?
joe rogan
I just think he thinks that the left, as it existed when he was a part of it, disappeared.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
It moved to a far left position that is unrecognizable.
And a lot of people have that same feeling.
They felt politically homeless.
Eric Weinstein talked about that.
I've talked about it.
You feel politically homeless because there's things you support on one side that you don't support on the other side.
Like, what did we do?
What is this?
Like, why is this a part of it?
And you just get to the point where you're like, okay, I can't be on either one of your fucking teams because you guys are both at the far ends, completely insane.
Far ends of the left and the far ends of the right.
Completely insane.
joe derosa
Yeah, yeah.
It's an interesting thing.
It's an interesting thing.
I never, once ethics, pardon me, once ethics became economized, I knew there was, I was like, we got a real problem on our hands now.
Like when people started, because I was living in LA at the time.
And when you started seeing, like, you'd be in a job interview just to get a writing gig on a TV show, whatever it was, and you started to see how your social media played into it.
You started to see how your takes played into it.
Hey, I saw you in a little weird dust up with this guy on the internet.
What was that all about?
You know what I mean?
It's like ethics are being economized.
Your morality is being monetized.
And once people start to do that, that separation of church and livelihood is no longer there.
And the politics becomes the deity or the dogma, whatever you want to call it.
And it's just, oh my God, man.
It's not a good scene.
And I never thought you'd see the day where the extremists are the loudest of the voices.
joe rogan
I know a person works at a firm, and they have to put their pronouns in every email they send.
joe derosa
You have to?
joe rogan
They have to.
It's company policy.
Company policy.
He, him.
joe derosa
But what if you say that's what if you say that's my business and I don't want to share that?
joe rogan
You have to put it in there because they want you to comply.
It's literally Orwellian.
It's not.
It should be super obvious.
It was obvious for all of time.
If your name was Deborah McGee and you had long hair and you wore a dress and you were obviously a woman, you were a she.
And the fact that that is, you don't want to assume someone's gender now.
You have to be careful.
I'm sorry, what are your pronouns?
What kind of a stupid fucking nothing question is that?
joe derosa
Well, also, too, to me, it's like if you said to me, Joe, if you bring up my pronouns, you are to refer to me as a cat man.
I would go, okay, Joe, you're like, you're my buddy?
joe rogan
No, you're saying that like it's a joke.
There was a woman in Oregon.
There was a woman in Oregon who she identified as a turtle, and she was a part of the mental health board.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Did you know about this lady?
joe derosa
No, I'm just, I've thought of two of them.
joe rogan
She was famous on.
She was talking about her pronouns, and one of her pronouns was turtle.
joe derosa
She was a turtle.
Yeah, there was, I saw the news clip of the, there was an overweight Chinese middle-aged man who identified as a 12-year-old white girl.
joe rogan
Oh, nice.
So you can shower with them.
Nothing creepy about that at all.
joe derosa
But my point is this, is like, if I said, if you said that to me and I slipped and I said, he, and you go, Joe, please, cat man.
And I go, oh, I'm sorry, buddy.
It's so not meant to insult you.
It's just like, oh, all right, dude, whatever you want.
It's fine.
But it's when it becomes this thing of like, it's like, it is the worst crime you could ever commit against a human being.
joe rogan
And it's like, you're dehumanizing me by using my dead name.
joe derosa
Can we just take a discussion?
It's okay.
joe rogan
No, there will be no discussions.
Compliance will be complete.
Total compliance will be required if you want to get your social credit score.
joe derosa
Do you know what's interesting?
I Googled Bruce Jenner the other day.
joe rogan
That's not interesting.
joe derosa
This part is.
joe rogan
It's not Bruce anymore.
Does it say Caitlin in Wikipedia?
Caitlin won the gold medal?
joe derosa
I googled Bruce Jenner because I was watching.
This is a rabbit hole.
I was watching Dennis Miller.
I was watching an old Dennis Miller thing.
And he had a joke where he's like, when the fuck did Bruce Jenner become the lady from the Beverly Hillbillies?
Because it was when Bruce Jenner, like, his face was starting to get pulled back and shit, and you didn't know what was going on.
And it just made me laugh.
And I looked up the lady and then I was like, wait, yeah, what did he look like then?
And I googled Bruce Jenner and I was like, I wonder if there will be results for Bruce Jenner or if it's going to say your dead name.
No, Caitlin.
And it did come up and everything.
But I was like.
joe rogan
Too popular, too famous as a man.
Won the gold medal, was on top of the Wheaties box.
joe derosa
Right.
joe rogan
Too famous.
You can't erase that.
Was on keeping up with the Kardashians as a male for who knows how many episodes.
joe derosa
But also, too, I have trans friends.
It's like I would never, out of respect to them, say, hey, I'm going to bring up your old shit.
But to say we can't talk that Bruce Jenner existed, that's when it becomes necessary to meet Arwillian.
joe rogan
It's all cult stuff.
That's what it is.
It's another version of it.
It's another undefined cult that is constantly moving the boundaries of what's acceptable.
joe derosa
We're living in.
joe rogan
It's exhausting.
joe derosa
I'm exhausted.
I'm exhausted with everything.
I'm exhausted.
It's funny.
When Trump got shot, I was at my buddy's house.
We were in the pool hanging out, and he has a TV out there, and it came on, and we were like, holy shit.
It was fucking wild, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
joe derosa
And there were people in the pool that were Trump supporters.
There were people in the pool that don't like Trump.
There was all kinds of people there.
So a discussion broke out.
This was a massive event.
It was very interesting.
And I said to my friend, I go, we're living in insanity right now.
This is insanity, what we're living in.
It's too much.
I'm having a hard time swallowing it every day.
And he said, yeah, but every generation says that.
And is this any crazier than the 60s?
I go, let me tell you why it's crazier than the 60s.
Because you can't even talk about Star Wars anymore without it devolving into an argument about a transglobal conspiracy of something.
You know what I mean?
I'm like, we don't even have the escape conversations anymore.
Everything has an agenda.
Everything is tribalistic.
joe rogan
Everything's a conspiracy.
joe derosa
Fucking cartoons.
You can't talk about anything anymore.
And it's like, that's, I'm exhausted.
I find myself re-watching news radio, sitcoms from the 90s, things that just remind me of- Jesus Christ, man.
So thank you for news radio.
joe rogan
Thanks, buddy.
Tell everybody about your specials.
Bring this baby home.
joe derosa
Thank you, brother.
It's called I Never Promised You a Rose Garden.
It's on my YouTube.
joe rogan
I beg your pardon.
joe derosa
Never promised you a rose garden.
It's on my YouTube, which is at Joe DeRosa Comedy.
Please watch it.
It's off to an amazing start.
Thank you to everybody.
I wrote it.
I performed it.
I directed it.
Where'd you perform?
This theater is the Colonial Theater in Phoenixville, Pennsylvania, near where I have a house in Pennsylvania.
It's where I'm from.
And that theater is the theater the original blob was shot at.
And they run out of the theater.
joe rogan
That's the theater.
unidentified
Wow.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Blob.
joe derosa
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's awesome, dude.
joe derosa
This is the hardest I've ever worked ever on anything in my life.
I'm the most proud of it of anything I've ever done.
And it's thank you to the comedy community.
Thank you to the mothership.
Thank you to all the clubs.
Everybody has been so supportive.
It's been beautiful.
Really appreciate you having me, dude.
joe rogan
My pleasure, bro.
It's always good to talk to you.
joe derosa
Yeah, this was fun, man.
joe rogan
It's good to have a little sit-down one-on-one time.
joe derosa
Yeah, man.
It's nice.
It's nice.
joe rogan
All right.
It was beautiful.
It's available.
Anything else?
Tour dates, JoeDeRosa.com.
joe derosa
Tour dates, JoeDeRosa.com.
I'll be in Rhode Island next in August.
joe rogan
What are you doing in Rhode Island?
joe derosa
Comedy Connection.
joe rogan
Oh, I love that place.
Gold Bank.
joe derosa
Yeah, first and second.
And then I got other dates throughout the fall.
JoeDeRosa.com.
And if you're in New York, go get a sandwich, Joey Rosa's.
Appreciate you, guys.
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