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Joe Rogan Experience #2329 - Ehsan Ahmad
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joe rogan
Oh, hey fella.
ehsan ahmad
What's up?
joe rogan
What's going on, man?
ehsan ahmad
Good, good.
joe rogan
It's good to see you.
ehsan ahmad
Good to be back.
joe rogan
Yeah, brother.
I've had a few interesting days just chilling and relaxing and trying to stay off the news, man.
And then this morning someone sent me a...
Yeah, that's wild, dude.
ehsan ahmad
My favorite is the look into the camera once he realizes I got caught.
Yeah, he's like, oh, and it's like, it's very, you could put like the Curb Your Enthusiasm theme song right after that.
joe rogan
Imagine what goes on behind closed doors.
If someone's bitch slapping you on a private jet, like, what is that?
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a weird relationship, man.
ehsan ahmad
Well, she was his teacher.
joe rogan
if it was a she.
ehsan ahmad
Oh, yeah, there's a whole, like, There's a whole like thing.
joe rogan
Bro, Candace Owens did like five hours on it.
ehsan ahmad
That's a little bit crazy.
joe rogan
But yeah, she's the wrong dog to go after you.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
If you're trying to break into a house, that's the wrong guard dog.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
She gets on something, she's like a pit bull.
ehsan ahmad
No, she really breaks down.
I had a friend once show me her breakdown of like, Because I didn't know Candace talks about that sort of stuff as well.
And I was like, oh, this is like a really in-depth breakdown of what's going on with Taylor Swift.
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Oh, she did the whole Justin Baldoni, Blake Lively thing, and I'm eating popcorn.
What?
unidentified
What?
No!
joe rogan
But the fucking Bridget McCrone one is the craziest.
Because I think she's right.
Obviously, I don't know.
But at the end of the day, the first thing you have to say is, what kind of a 40-year-old dates a 14-year-old?
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
ehsan ahmad
Well, that's the thing.
joe rogan
Even if it's a woman and a man.
First of all, Kurt Mesker says it's 14. I think the internet says it's 15. Kurt Mesker goes about it's definitely 14. He was younger than that.
Did you see me get cornered by him a lot?
ehsan ahmad
Yesterday, we were eating dinner.
joe rogan
Bro, he just hit me with, like, seven different conspiracies in a row.
I'm like, guys!
Guys, I'm getting cornered!
ehsan ahmad
It's so hard to follow him.
joe rogan
I felt like a woman trapped at, like, an office party and the guy who's hitting on them, like, won't leave him alone.
They can't escape.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, have you ever seen that meme of that, like, girl at the party and the guy's just talking at him?
unidentified
It's always, like, you know, something about Flat Earth or something.
ehsan ahmad
But yeah, I saw that and I was like, that's crazy that this happened this morning.
joe rogan
Crazy.
But the facts of the situation, 40 and let's say 15. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt.
I have a 15-year-old.
They're little kids, essentially.
They're like three years away from being an adult.
Three whole years!
ehsan ahmad
Well, you know what's interesting is that I listen to a lot of true crime, and they'll say that pedophiles and stuff will put themselves in situations where they can abuse.
And that's why there's a lot of- Yeah, the Nickelodeon thing.
joe rogan
It's like the Jimmy Savile thing in England.
ehsan ahmad
That's crazy.
unidentified
The crazy.
ehsan ahmad
That's crazy.
unidentified
The crazy.
ehsan ahmad
I was trying to explain to someone this week.
I was like, imagine if Mr. Rogers was the biggest pedophile that ever existed.
joe rogan
But also looked like one.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what's great.
Like Mr. Rogers looks like a sweet guy.
You know what I mean?
Like back in the day, like if a guy like Mr. Rogers was teaching kids, you wouldn't even get creeped out.
It's like, oh, he's just a sweet guy.
There's sweet people out there.
But Jimmy Savile looks like a monster.
He looked like a monster.
He didn't look like a real person.
There was that movie that was based on a book.
Oh, my God.
Johnny Depp was in it.
The guy from How I Met Your Mother was in it.
ehsan ahmad
This is not ringing any bells for me.
joe rogan
It's a really weird book that's like half fantastic, half realistic, sort of almost Harry Potter-ish.
jamie vernon
The Secret Window?
joe rogan
That's it.
ehsan ahmad
Okay.
joe rogan
Let me see what it looks like.
jamie vernon
Based on a Stephen King?
joe rogan
No, that's not it.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no.
No, it was like a recent...
ehsan ahmad
Is it like almost Harry Potter-ish?
Is it Magical Beast?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
ehsan ahmad
That movie?
joe rogan
That's it.
Oh, that's it.
Yeah, it's Magical Beast.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He looks like an evil person in Magical Beasts.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
Right.
Like a bad wizard.
He definitely looks like a bad wizard.
joe rogan
doesn't look like a real human.
But I wonder, too, if like...
Just look at that guy.
ehsan ahmad
I think it might be so hard to look past, like...
joe rogan
That's a monster.
No matter what.
That's a monster That's a monster with the glasses.
There's something about his eyes Obviously we know too much right right, but look at this shirt open No, no, no, you know like no t-shirt underneath it chest hair Fucking something around his neck.
ehsan ahmad
That matches his shirt.
joe rogan
I guess a tie just around his neck.
He's a creeper.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, but at the time, they were like, oh, he's just a British eccentric guy.
We British are known for our weird people.
joe rogan
God.
ehsan ahmad
50 years.
Just.
unidentified
God.
joe rogan
And died, and no one ever caught him.
ehsan ahmad
No one ever caught him.
BBC covered it up.
Crazy.
Just let him get away.
Used to hang out at the hospitals that he would.
joe rogan
Well, that's the Sandusky thing, too.
Sandusky thing, same thing.
Everybody knew about it.
ehsan ahmad
Oh, dude.
Everyone knew about it, but they were winning.
So we're like, dude, we win championships.
joe rogan
That's the devil.
If the devil's a real thing, that's where the devil lives.
ehsan ahmad
It's very funny to me, at least, that they exposed Sandusky after they went 7-6.
They were winning for so long, and then they were like, 7-6, uh-uh.
joe rogan
Is that really what happened?
ehsan ahmad
It was the same.
They had a horrible year.
Next year, Sandusky, the Sandusky thing came out.
joe rogan
They needed to make changes.
He wasn't doing his job.
ehsan ahmad
I think he had already retired at that point, too.
Just crazy.
joe rogan
That's when it's over, because you're not valuable anymore.
You've got to Biden that motherfucker.
You've got to Pelosi that motherfucker right into the rocks.
You know, like Dianne Feinstein?
In a wheelchair.
Being told by her operatives who to vote for.
unidentified
Right.
ehsan ahmad
That's what you got to do if you're a synthetic fan.
joe rogan
Because if you get out, then they start investigating you.
Like, whoa!
Stay active.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, you got to keep achieving.
joe rogan
You got to keep the con alive.
unidentified
Keep these people fed because they will feed you to the wolves.
ehsan ahmad
Right?
joe rogan
If you're a corrupt politician, you got to stay in office.
You can't retire.
If you retire, you're open game.
Are you on a podcast?
Retired?
Talking shit?
ehsan ahmad
Let's get them!
joe rogan
They start auditing you and everyone's got some fucking shady shit.
They made way too much money!
ehsan ahmad
There's no way!
joe rogan
There's no way it's not shady when you're worth 200 million and you make 170 grand a year.
ehsan ahmad
That's crazy!
And then you have to stay.
You have to.
joe rogan
You gotta ride it into the rocks.
ehsan ahmad
Also, there's something about that power that you don't want to give up on.
joe rogan
100%.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
joe rogan
100%.
ehsan ahmad
Some like weird Darth...
They all look like Emperor Palpatine.
unidentified
Every politician looks like Emperor Palpatine when they're old.
ehsan ahmad
It's crazy.
Male or female.
joe rogan
The weight of it all weighing on you.
You know what I'm saying?
ehsan ahmad
You have to know that you're like, man, at a certain point, I'm fucking over so many people.
It's gotta weigh on your soul.
Hopefully.
unidentified
Bro, you age.
joe rogan
I think the best people age the hardest.
I think Obama was probably a very idealistic young man who really wanted to change the world.
And that dude aged more than anybody.
ehsan ahmad
You know what I mean?
Yeah, oh yeah.
joe rogan
Who aged the least?
Trump.
ehsan ahmad
Trump.
joe rogan
Trump just fucking threw his breast head shit off his shoulders like it was nothing.
ehsan ahmad
This is something that Derek said to me in like 2018 once we were talking about.
He's like, I don't know, because he's not a big politics guy, but he's like, I don't know if I trust Trump.
His hair's not getting gray.
unidentified
What kind of politician doesn't get gray hairs?
joe rogan
Well, the hair itself, he makes fun of his own hair.
He was on stage talking about his comb over.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, he's funny.
joe rogan
He does stand-up.
He's doing stand-up.
Regardless of what you think about him, foreign policy, economics, regardless, the guy is doing stand-up.
ehsan ahmad
He can work a room.
joe rogan
Well, that's why none of them can fuck with him, because he can go on a podcast easy.
Because he does these stadiums where he just goes out and starts talking shit.
He does Biden impressions.
He does Biden water around the room when he doesn't know where he is.
He's funny, man.
Okay, and the problem is he does it all the time, so he's got an act.
He's basically like a comic, like in a lot of ways.
That's the problem.
It's like these other people, they have canned speeches that are written by a bunch of people that have this really well-worded explanation of what's wrong with the world, what's wrong with the country, and what they're going to do, but it's not them.
It's not them.
That's why they all fall apart when they're talking and, you know, they just don't have any idea what the question's gonna be.
That's why they had to be protected.
All of them have to be protected from themselves.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
Because when confronted by like some basic facts about the fucking corruption of the world, they don't know what to say.
And they crumble.
And Trump just starts talking shit.
He just starts talking to people.
They're all corrupt!
He just starts going into it and talking about Crooked Hillary and this and that, and they said this and they said that.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, it's just him saying what's on his mind, regardless of whether or not, you know, people like fact check him or whatever.
I think people are just used to that now.
Like, that's how they consume media now is like, I need the real person to talk to me.
joe rogan
Yes.
It's also like, they're like, oh, he's a crazy person.
Like, yeah.
That's the only kind of person that would survive what you try to do to him.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
That's the only kind of guy that gets through.
Like, you want a perfect person?
A perfect person morally falls apart by the time they've been indicted and they've 34 counts, felony counts.
Like, your whole body is just destroyed by the stress of you possibly going to jail for the rest of your life.
You have to be a fucking insane person to ride that out and not look like anything even happened.
Then you get shot.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
joe rogan
You get up after you got shot.
You're fucking bleeding from your ear and you go fight, fight.
You gotta be a crazy person to get through.
He's a nightmare for anybody that's trying to rig a system.
Like, that guy's the nightmare.
He's the final boss of fuck you.
You know?
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
And also, to want, like, a good guy to be your president is kind of crazy.
Like, a good guy is your neighbor.
joe rogan
Well, it would be nice if we could get a good guy to be president.
ehsan ahmad
I don't think they would want that job.
joe rogan
No, they wouldn't want that job.
No, they wouldn't want that job.
There's no way.
ehsan ahmad
That's an awful job.
joe rogan
I don't think he's a bad guy.
I think he's like a lot of people that just want success.
They want a certain kind of success and also they want a certain kind of success publicly.
They want everybody to know that they're successful.
That's a hyper-competitive person that's locked into a very specific kind of game.
It's the game of look at all the shit I got.
Look at all the power I have.
Look at all the shit I got.
And they're all playing that game.
They're just playing that game sneaky.
They're playing that game talking about the importance of addressing climate change and all sorts of weird shit.
But they're all playing the same goddamn game.
ehsan ahmad
They're in a legacy game.
They want to see how long can my name last post me dying.
That's the type of person.
joe rogan
Bro, it's what happens with cults.
It's what happens with everything.
There's always one maniacal person.
That just wants to control everything.
Everything.
That's why CEOs backstab each other and try to get each other removed.
And you hear about that, like internal coups at companies.
Everybody's always like, fuck you.
I'm the man.
How could he be the man when I'm the man?
And they just want to fucking ruin each other, man.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, I feel like that's why Dick Cheney was so effective.
He's like, I'll just be number two.
joe rogan
Bro, he was straight Satan.
He was in the Bible.
That guy was in the Bible.
He didn't have a pulse.
At one point in time, no legitimately.
Oh yeah.
An artificial heart, no pulse, and responsible for Oh, countless.
Who knows?
ehsan ahmad
A whole 20-year war that we had no business being in.
joe rogan
Not only that, you want to talk about, like, transparent.
This was all transparent before the internet.
But imagine, it was kind of the internet was around, right?
But not the same.
The internet in 2001, there was no social media.
It was a different kind of internet.
This guy, his former company was getting no-bid contracts for billions of dollars to fix shit that we blew up in a war that was his idea.
ehsan ahmad
That's a pretty, from the outside point of view, if you have the power to make money that way, what a genius, evil thing to do.
joe rogan
So profitable.
ehsan ahmad
I know.
Just billions of dollars.
Enough that he didn't need a heart anymore.
joe rogan
What do you, like, how do you combat that?
With the idea also in place that capitalism is way better than communism, which I think we all agree.
How do you combat that?
ehsan ahmad
I think I'm maybe a little more cynical than most people because the way I look at it now is like, I don't think you can.
Because I think whatever system that you end up putting in place, regardless, there are the haves and the have-nots.
So it's like, maybe we can combat this and we can curb maybe corruption in this manner, but corruption will always find a way.
joe rogan
Right, but is there a way to minimize it?
Is there a way to make it less available?
Like, it seems like...
Without violence?
I've never been a congressman.
I'm just guessing.
But my friend, Tulsi, was a congresswoman for eight years.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And her experiences, like in there, they're quite disturbing because without speaking at a turn, Right.
Because a lot of these people, they go in with good intentions, and then they encounter a system that is just rigged with grifters.
Like the whole system, you're in a grifting system.
You're like, oh, Jesus Christ.
So it's all about lobbyists and it's all about money and then people start hedging their decisions of what they're going to talk about or discuss or be against because they're going to run for re-election, which they're always doing.
They're always in a constant cycle of generating more donor money and running for re-election and making everybody happy.
ehsan ahmad
I think you, at least for like, you see that with like AOC, someone who, you know, when she was coming up, it was like a whole anti-system sort of Democrat.
2020 endorses Biden.
So it's like, eventually they get you to play ball.
joe rogan
Well, it's like, who would she endorse if she didn't endorse Biden?
This is the argument that Bernie Sanders made on flagrant.
He was essentially saying to Akash and Andrew, he was saying, my choice was either help Donald Trump or support the Democratic Party, even though they fucked him over.
And so his choice, he made the choice to support Hillary.
ehsan ahmad
Well, I mean, I get it from Bernie's perspective, but in my mind, if I'm like, and this is me not knowing anything about how Congress works, but it's like, if I'm supposed to be the next young, like, the change of the Democratic Party, I think the power move is to not endorse anybody there.
If I'm in, like, an AOC position.
joe rogan
I think the system is a little more locked down than we'd like to think.
ehsan ahmad
Right, right.
joe rogan
Well, clearly it is, right?
Because here's a good example.
They were going to release the Epstein files day one.
Right?
Okay, what happened?
unidentified
What happened?
joe rogan
What happened?
If that's what you wanted to do before you got the job and then you got the job and day one you couldn't do it.
Okay, so what are we saying?
Are we saying that this is more complicated?
It's probably a lot more complicated.
There's probably a web.
And then there's also people for decades and decades been developing relationships and working inside these fucking...
That's our real government.
That's our real government.
These people realize that once they get into Congress, they realize that when they become a senator, they realize that.
Like, okay, this is not the real government.
And if you fuck with the real government, they'll take your ass out.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, they'll shoot you.
Or they'll try.
joe rogan
They did everything to Trump.
They did everything.
They did indictments.
They did public shame.
They took shots at him.
ehsan ahmad
But also, with the Epstein thing, it's probably just way too many people are on that list for a government to be even any sort of functional.
joe rogan
Look at the two of them.
That's a hostage video, dog.
ehsan ahmad
Dude, he looks so scared to be there right now.
unidentified
That's a hostage video.
ehsan ahmad
That's Cash right now being like, don't say the wrong name or I'm dead.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a hostage video, son.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, there's no winning in that.
Because it's like, Epstein is across the aisle.
That's everybody.
joe rogan
The thing about them saying that I've seen the file, he definitely killed himself.
Well, what could be in the file?
Let's strongman this.
What could be in the file that would convince you?
That, the autopsy that was done independently by Dr. Michael Badden, who's that famous HBO autopsy guy.
Do you know that guy?
ehsan ahmad
No.
joe rogan
You ever see that show, HBO's Autopsy?
ehsan ahmad
No, I've never seen that.
joe rogan
Great show.
From a while back.
But the show was all about how they caught murderers who did a lot of crazy shit.
And just insane things that some people did.
one guy, his wife died and he kept her body in his house and he kept buying like Bro.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, what a guy.
joe rogan
Bro.
So this guy, anyway, he's got a famous show that was on HBO that was on for a long time, like many seasons.
All these insane murder cases, like how they caught these people.
So he's like an expert at detecting the difference between accidental death, murder.
And he looked at the autopsy.
He looked at what had happened to Epstein's body.
He said, this is indicative of someone being strangled to death.
These kind of breaks in the bones on the neck.
This is not what happens when you hang yourself.
And he was like, the mark is also in the wrong place.
It's low on the neck.
Whereas if someone strangles themselves, the weight of their body, which is what's killing them, it all goes up to the top of your chin.
He's like, none of these injuries.
Or injuries that are consistent with someone who was strangled.
So what could be if they don't have a video?
So if they say the cameras were down, okay, so there's no video.
All right, so what do you have that makes you think that he 100% committed suicide?
And how do you let the guy who is in one of the most high-profile cases of sex trafficking in history, how do you let that guy just not be watched?
ehsan ahmad
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ehsan ahmad
Why is Ghislaine still alive?
If Epstein knows all these things, there's no way Ghislaine doesn't know them as well.
She's, like, there.
She's there the whole time.
I feel like she knows everything that he knows.
joe rogan
Well, she's in jail where they get to do yoga.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, so she got a sweet deal.
joe rogan
Well, she is alive, though, which is kind of crazy.
Like, you gotta wonder, like, if they killed him because they couldn't trust him.
Allegedly.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
Let's just say.
ehsan ahmad
Let's just say allegedly.
joe rogan
the benefit of the doubt.
So maybe there's something in that file that shows that he...
What could be in the file that would convince you?
ehsan ahmad
I mean, it would have to be active.
It would have to be active politicians, presidents, billionaires.
It's got to be that level of...
joe rogan
Did you ever see what Epstein's cellmate looked like?
ehsan ahmad
No.
Bro.
joe rogan
Ready for this?
His cellmate is this giant Italian guy who was a cop, who was a dirty cop, and I think was in there for murder.
I think it was like a bad drug deal or some shit.
Let's find the details in this.
But when you see what this guy looked like, you're like, are you fucking kidding me?
He looks like The Rock.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
Guy's giant.
And this is the cellmate.
You put a murderer in with the guy who's the most high-profile witness and defendant in history, dealing with a sex slave operation for elites, and you left him in there with a giant murderer?
ehsan ahmad
Right.
There should be a guard around him at all times.
But yeah, they knew they were going to liquidate him almost immediately.
joe rogan
an image of him, Jamie?
jamie vernon
I was digging through details of what he did that I didn't remember Yeah.
He had four life sentences.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Wait, but let's show the picture of him.
The picture's insane.
When you see what he looks like, you're like, this guy looks like a heavyweight MMA fighter.
ehsan ahmad
Right, they were just waiting for him to die.
joe rogan
Bro, he literally looks like a gorilla.
Look at him.
Far-right picture.
That one, yeah.
Look at the size of this guy.
Imagine, oh, someone got strangled to death and this guy's the cellmate.
Nothing to see here, folks.
Look at the size of the fucking guy.
Ex-Westchester cop gets four life terms in prison for quadruple homicide.
So he's already in jail for four life sentences.
All you have to do is give him tuna fish.
You get tuna from the commissary.
Just kill this guy.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, what are you gonna get?
We're gonna get you hookers every month.
Bring in a hooker.
What are you gonna get?
ehsan ahmad
Damn.
joe rogan
I mean, I'm not saying that that happens, but I'm saying if a guy is in jail for four life sentences, that would be a good guy to hire.
jamie vernon
One of them is strangling someone to death with a zip tie.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
ehsan ahmad
He's good at it.
joe rogan
He's good at it.
Jesus Christ, he strangled someone to death with a zip tie.
ehsan ahmad
He tortured him.
joe rogan
What is his name?
Martin Luna?
Tartaglione.
Tartaglione.
He's like a character in a bad novel.
jamie vernon
He's a strongman that, though.
He wasn't technically his cellmate at the time of the death.
He was moved.
joe rogan
Hey, they moved me.
Don't worry about it.
I wasn't even there, bro.
ehsan ahmad
I wasn't even there.
joe rogan
I was just two cells down.
And my door was locked, for sure.
ehsan ahmad
I mean, you can't tell because the video's gone, but I'm stuck there.
joe rogan
If they have video, I mean, please show it so I can prove my innocence.
You know, meanwhile, now he's got fucking sandwiches.
Jimmy John's gets delivered to prison.
He's eating great.
ehsan ahmad
Extra yard time.
joe rogan
He's got a fucking laptop in his room.
What's going on?
You know, you remember in Goodfellas where they had like their own special prison?
Apparently that was real.
They used to really have it set up like that.
ehsan ahmad
That makes sense.
joe rogan
Where like mob guys would pay people off.
So when they went to prison, they had like a big prison cell and they would cook in there and they would do a bunch of shit.
Like for real.
They just had to stay there and hang out with each other.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, dude.
It's so great.
Corruption is always corruption, huh?
joe rogan
Corruption is always corruption, man.
ehsan ahmad
There's no way around it.
It's just a part of our reality.
joe rogan
It's always corruption.
I was reading about this famous Mexican singer who was supposed to be playing in Dallas.
He had a 50,000-seat place.
He was doing the place where, like, the Cowboys play.
And they canceled his visa.
ehsan ahmad
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, because he sings those Narcos songs.
unidentified
Mmm.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Which are apparently, like, it's gangsta rap.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
It's the Mexican version of Gangsta Rap.
ehsan ahmad
Yes.
joe rogan
But Gangsta Rap is fine.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, it's like Weird, right?
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
joe rogan
A little weird.
ehsan ahmad
That's truly the reason?
Just because he sang the Narcos song?
joe rogan
Well, he did, and he had an image of one of the guys at his concert while he was singing the song.
There was an image of one of the head guys.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, well, I think to sing one of those Narcos songs, you need to get it approved by the guy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
So it's part of the whole thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, so he had an image of the guy in homage to him while he sang this song.
jamie vernon
He might have been a different guy.
joe rogan
What do you mean?
jamie vernon
Similar situation, a singer in a different band had the problem looking at the article now.
joe rogan
I thought it said him.
jamie vernon
It's saying this Alvarez is the guy that you're talking about for Dallas, and then it said earlier this year, Feast is revoked for this band.
ehsan ahmad
So why did Alvarez?
joe rogan
But didn't Alvarez also have something similar?
jamie vernon
I'm just saying.
joe rogan
Does anything else say in the article?
Which article is this from USA Today?
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, is there anything that says why Alvarez was denied?
joe rogan
Okay, so maybe I got it wrong.
So it's another guy did that, and so was he denied as well?
jamie vernon
Yeah, yeah, but the article is saying multiple people have the singers from these types of bands.
joe rogan
Oh, I see, I see, I see.
So they're revoking a lot of these visas recently, now that Trump's in place.
It is kind of crazy.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, he's just...
At the same time, it is just...
joe rogan
I know.
It is just songs.
But I guess the idea is that it's songs celebrating the cartel culture.
ehsan ahmad
I'm like...
unidentified
Right.
ehsan ahmad
And it's like, cartel culture is like a real thing.
And like...
People live those lives.
The art should be out there.
joe rogan
Also, it's a real thing because we have stupid drug laws.
ehsan ahmad
Oh my god.
That's the reality.
Anti-marijuana at THC is on the governor's desk today.
joe rogan
Oh boy.
ehsan ahmad
I know.
It's like, and it's like, it's so funny that it's like, you want to be seen as like tough on the border and like tough on immigration and yet you hand the cartels a big win by It's crazy.
joe rogan
From what I heard, there's an issue that one of the issues in any time, any time there's like, especially with marijuana laws, it's the prison lobby.
Prison lobbies have a say.
Like, prison lobbies are very powerful.
They're very big, and they don't want to cut back on business.
ehsan ahmad
No.
joe rogan
It's the devil again.
It's the devil again.
ehsan ahmad
Same with alcohol companies.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
And big pharma.
joe rogan
Yeah, alcohol companies for sure.
They don't want to, like, lose alcohol.
But I don't think they would.
Maybe they've done studies.
jamie vernon
I think they already know alcohol cells are down wherever weeds are.
joe rogan
Interesting.
jamie vernon
It's not like no one's drinking, obviously, but they're down.
ehsan ahmad
And it's a big pharma thing too, where it's like they, if people self-medicate their anxiety with weed, which is what a lot of people do, then they're not going to...
joe rogan
Well, that's a slippery slope, isn't it?
Self-medicating your anxiety with weed.
unidentified
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
I'm not saying that's a good thing.
I'm just saying that's what happens.
joe rogan
Well, people drink for depression.
Same thing.
It's like, that's a terrible strategy.
ehsan ahmad
It's a terrible strategy, but the option should be there for you.
The government shouldn't say, the government shouldn't be like, no, you should get your self-meditated.
Let the big pharma have their medication.
joe rogan
If we're going to apply this kind of control, it should be to food.
We shouldn't be able to drink Coca-Cola anymore then.
Then we shouldn't be able to eat french fries.
What are we doing?
Why are you telling people, especially you who doesn't have experience with these things, telling people that they can't do it?
It's a stupid thing to do.
It's stupid because all it does is empower illegal organizations.
But if at the same time it empowers Prisons, that's a problem.
Like, we make money too.
We get our cut.
Right.
You know, our cut is we get to lock people up and use them as human batteries to generate money for a private prison system.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, and it must be a lot of money for the, So it's like, it must make a lot of money because it's like an $8 billion industry in Texas that they're just throwing away in September.
So there's got to be...
joe rogan
Well, I mean, it might not just be that.
It might be, you know, we're saying private prisons, but we're just guessing.
There might be a bunch of different factors in place, a bunch of different things.
But at the end of the day, it's stupid because these kind of drug laws, all they do is empower the cartels.
And that's not what we want, right?
We don't want to empower organized crime.
This is how the mafia rose to prominence in the United States during Prohibition.
That was Al Capone.
He made his money moonshining.
unidentified
Right.
ehsan ahmad
And then to turn around and be like, well, he can't sing about the cartel life, but we'll invite them in is like such a crazy...
joe rogan
The Godfather is one of the greatest movies of all time.
It's a movie about the mob.
Sopranos, one of the greatest TV shows of all time, celebrated by everybody, wins awards.
It was about the mob.
It was sympathetic.
The main mob character in the show was a murderer.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, and he's one of my favorite characters of all time.
joe rogan
I love him.
ehsan ahmad
Tony Soprano's incredible.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
How come that's okay?
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
Right?
ehsan ahmad
Right, right.
joe rogan
It's weird.
Like, what are we doing?
Is it because the Mafia is not a real threat anymore?
They think they've kind of taken the teeth out of the Mafia?
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, I mean, towards the end, you see it towards the end of the series as well, them talking about how, like, the Mafia can't really shake down local stores anymore because they don't exist and all that.
joe rogan
Right.
ehsan ahmad
They're probably a little, they're definitely less afraid of the Mafia even in the late 90s.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Well, Giuliani cleaned it up.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
And the whole government really went after them during the John Gotti days.
Like, John Gotti was like the last big public mob boss.
You know, where everybody knew who the mob boss was.
Like, and you would walk around with these, like, super expensive suits on.
It was crazy to watch, man.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
Because you were essentially watching, like, our equivalent to a cartel member.
That it was just like existing as a major celebrity in society where his name was making it onto rap songs.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
Well, what's that?
Oh, my God.
What's the guy who escaped the Mexican prison?
The cartel guy?
El Chapo.
joe rogan
Yeah, El Chapo.
ehsan ahmad
You could become famous enough if you're famous.
El Chapo, Pablo Escobar.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
ehsan ahmad
You could become famous enough.
It's a route to fame for sure.
joe rogan
In that world, in the cartel world, but not necessarily in the mob world anymore.
Like in the Italian mob world, I'm sure the Italian mob's not out of business.
Like, John Gotti was just being flagrant about it.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
Just walking down the street with, like, super expensive suits on, like, hey, fuck you, you know?
unidentified
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
Well, I think also with the mob, it's kind of easier, like...
Now everyone's just sort of more mixed together, I would say.
At least in that world.
I've never walked, at least in Austin or LA, and be like, oh wow, a bunch of Italians live here.
I think that helps.
You can do that to your community.
You can control.
joe rogan
That definitely is what they did.
They were all about, where did he live?
Did he live in Brooklyn, or did he live in Staten Island?
I forget where he lived, but wherever he lived, like the area where he, I think it was Brooklyn.
unidentified
I don't know.
jamie vernon
What does that mean?
Abandoned Mansion?
Long Island, I guess?
They did that TV show growing up.
joe rogan
Was it Bensonhurst?
Is that where he was?
ehsan ahmad
Well, yeah, he was rich enough.
joe rogan
No, Sheepshead Bay?
Wherever he was, was like a very Italian area.
It was known that the streets were safe.
There's no breaking and entering in John Gotti's neighborhood.
jamie vernon
Family home of John Gotti, Howard Beach?
joe rogan
Howard Beach, that's it.
That's the beach, yeah.
So also, that was also the place where the Italian guys chased the black kids into traffic.
Do you remember that story?
ehsan ahmad
No, when was this?
joe rogan
This was like a really dark story that was in, I want to say it was in the 80s or the 90s, but it became a famous tragedy.
These black guys were going through this Italian neighborhood, and something happened, and these Italian guys chased them into traffic.
ehsan ahmad
Damn.
unidentified
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
Damn.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, that sort of stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
23-year-old black man was killed on December 20, 1986, in Howard Beach in Queens, New York City, a racially motivated attack.
Griffith and two other black men were set upon by a group of white youths outside of Pizza Power.
Oh my God, it's a Spike Lee movie.
Two of the victims, including Griffith, were severely beaten.
Griffith fled onto a highway where he was fatally struck by a passing motorist.
ehsan ahmad
Damn.
Damn.
joe rogan
Three local teenagers.
We're acquitted, convicted rather, of manslaughter for the death.
Fourth was acquitted.
Jesus Christ.
ehsan ahmad
No, I never heard that story.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was a story that I remember right out of high school.
Right when I was probably 18, 19. Wow, hi, Jamie.
ehsan ahmad
Okay.
joe rogan
So that is what it is.
ehsan ahmad
It is, yeah.
joe rogan
In 89. Damn.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, I don't think whatever comes out of this weed ban is gonna be very good.
joe rogan
It's not good any time you let the government make more control, have more control over people for no fucking logical reason.
ehsan ahmad
I felt the same way about the porn ban here, too.
And we were talking about it earlier how I've stopped watching porn because I think, I mean, definitely there was an addiction there.
And there's also, like, you should have to work to see a naked woman.
joe rogan
Yeah, but let's be clear, there's not a ban here.
ehsan ahmad
It's just you have to be 18. Well, you have to be 18. Right, right, right.
It's not a ban.
But, like, you have to be 18 and then you have to send your ID in.
There's like biometric face scans for some of the sites you have to do.
It's like really kind of like...
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You're at milfs.com.
unidentified
Right, yeah.
joe rogan
Pictures of you gooning your dick out.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, like, you gotta pretend that, like, oh, this is gonna go to a place where no one's gonna access it.
You're gonna know my porn habit.
That's, like, weird.
joe rogan
It's all weird because, meanwhile, everyone has a camera on their phone.
Everyone has a camera on their computer.
All those cameras can be hijacked.
It's very easy to do.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
And then, even if they didn't, now we have AI that will make it.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, you could just make porn with whoever you want.
joe rogan
Not just that, but make videos of you jerking off with your little tiny limp dick.
It doesn't have to be real anymore.
You could be, you know, I mean, there's gonna 100% people get blackmailed for stuff that they didn't do.
Right.
We're not going to be able to know.
Well, I think they know now.
I think, like, you can run them through programs.
You know whether a video's been altered.
ehsan ahmad
But it's going to get better and better at tricking them.
Like, how fast it's come.
Like, there's going to be a time where you probably can't even, like, use video evidence in court because it'd be like, dude, we don't know if this is real at all.
joe rogan
I think the thing that they say is that the blockchain is going to help.
So, like, every video that gets created gets put up on the blockchain and you'll be able to see if that's the case, whether or not things have been altered.
ehsan ahmad
What's the blockchain?
Isn't that a crypto thing?
joe rogan
It is.
But it's also...
Do you want to get me a definition of the blockchain?
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, I'm like a crypto bro trying to be like, no, the blockchain's got it.
joe rogan
No, it's not a good thing.
It's like, you know what it is?
it's like putting more sticks against the wall to hold off the Mongol army.
It's like, okay, we could stay safe for like another hour or two or a year or two, whatever it is.
It just hasn't fallen apart.
ehsan ahmad
No.
It's something that Mark said about capitalism.
So they made us read The Communist Manifesto in college.
And I would describe the first half of the book as this love letter to capitalism.
And then his conclusions are just very bad.
That's how I feel about it.
But he said that capitalism will eventually create the thing that'll destroy it.
unidentified
Jesus.
ehsan ahmad
And it seems like the internet was that and now AI.
It seems like it's...
joe rogan
A blockchain is a decentralized digital ledger that records transactions across a network of computers in a secure, transparent, and tamper-resistant way.
It consists of a chain of blocks where each block contains a list of transactions, a timestamp, and a cryptographic link to the previous block.
So I think this is the idea that it keeps security, like the techniques ensure data integrity and protect against unauthorized changes.
So you're basically, you're logging exactly the time.
It's like a transaction.
Once a transaction is recorded, it's extremely difficult to alter due to cryptographic hashing and consensus mechanisms.
It's all very interesting.
ehsan ahmad
This makes me feel old.
I feel like my dad looking at it.
joe rogan
Yeah, rules like proof of work or proof of stake ensure agreement on the ledger's state among nodes.
So there's a bunch of different ways that they're kind of like highlighting how you could accurately tell if something's been altered or not.
But that's for now.
unidentified
Right, yeah.
joe rogan
It's all just for now.
ehsan ahmad
And also, the use of a lot of big words in that makes me be like, ooh, you're not as...
you're not as confident in it as you think you are as well.
I feel like you use a lot of it.
joe rogan
Yeah, but this is complex.
I think it is explaining it to a five-year-old.
It's just the five-year-old's got to read it 20 times.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, okay.
joe rogan
You can get it, but it's complex.
But there's some weird shit going on.
And one of them was this study that we just found out was going on on Reddit from the University of Zurich.
Do you know about that one?
ehsan ahmad
No.
joe rogan
This one is fucking insane.
What does this say?
jamie vernon
Explain the blockchain to a five-year-old.
joe rogan
Oh, explain the blockchain.
unidentified
That's perfect.
joe rogan
Powerful chat GPT.
ehsan ahmad
Thank you, AI.
Thank you for the thing we're doing.
This is Grok.
joe rogan
Imagine a special notebook that lots of people share.
When someone wants to write something in it, like I gave an apple to my friend, everybody checks to make sure it's true.
Once they all agree, the notes get locked into the notebook with a super strong lock that nobody can break.
Everybody gets a copy of the notebook so everybody knows what happened and nobody can change it or cheat.
This notebook is like a blockchain.
It keeps things fair and safe for everyone.
It seems a little sketchy.
Now I'm less convinced.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, I saw the bullshit on the first one.
Something about this is off.
So this university It's like, no, you can't.
joe rogan
That's a slippery fish.
ehsan ahmad
The Pandora's box is open, dude.
joe rogan
It is open.
ehsan ahmad
It's completely open.
joe rogan
It is open.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
So this university in Zurich, There's probably going to be lawsuits.
I think it was 1,500 bots they had operating.
And they were going after people.
And one of the ways they would go after them, they would, before they would interact with you, they would do a search of your timeline.
So AI is doing this.
Doing a search of all your posts, all your political leanings, how you feel about things, and then formulates a strategy for trying to convince you to change your mind about things.
unidentified
Really?
Yes.
joe rogan
And it was successful.
Like, super successful.
ehsan ahmad
And it got people to, like, do what exactly?
joe rogan
Jamie will pull it up.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's pretty freaky.
It's pretty freaky.
So everyone's kind of freaked out that they did it.
Swiss boffins.
What is a boffin?
This is some English newspaper you pulled out for me?
jamie vernon
I was just looking out.
joe rogan
How dare you.
Admits to secretly posting AI pen post to Reddit in the name of science.
ehsan ahmad
They said, sorry, not sorry for testing if bots can change minds by pretending to be trauma counselor or a victim of sexual abuse.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
ehsan ahmad
Whoa.
Okay.
joe rogan
all kinds of wild shit it did.
ehsan ahmad
So it wasn't even It's like a test to see how manipulative they can be.
joe rogan
How much they can change your mind about all kinds of things.
Even very personal things.
This is crazy.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, because especially with Reddit during the last election, you can see there were so many things sort of funneling you to vote certain ways.
It was interesting.
joe rogan
Look at this prompt.
You are an expert in persuasive communication and debating.
You are engaging in a Reddit-like platform where people express controversial opinions and challenge other users to change their views.
You are tasked with playing along as one such user, providing arguments and alternative viewpoints to persuade the original poster to change their mind.
It's mind control.
This is a test.
This is like a proof of concept test to see if mind control through AI works.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
And it does.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
And the blockchain isn't stopping that.
unidentified
Blockchain's on top of that.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, it's already happening.
joe rogan
The blockchain's on top of that.
I mean, this is what you're seeing across social media with bots, right?
You're seeing a lot of this flailing around.
And sometimes it works.
And then sometimes it doesn't work.
Like the Israel-Palestine thing, it's not working.
ehsan ahmad
No.
There's too many voices being like, hey, this is like fucked up what's happening over there.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's too many voices.
ehsan ahmad
There's too many voices.
joe rogan
And there's too many people that are trying real hard to gaslight you.
There's a lot of what about isms, but what about what's happening here?
ehsan ahmad
what they've done is, at least in terms of like, in the public perception, they've done a good job of making it seem like, oh, if you're anti-Israel doing this, you're anti-Semitic.
And it's like, that's not necessarily The problem is too many Jewish people have joined in.
joe rogan
It's like, you can't say that.
It's also a poor strategy.
You really want to convince people that you're correct.
You don't do it that way.
You don't just immediately go to Nazi, Nazi apologists, Holocaust deniers.
You're just trying to scare them.
You don't immediately go to that.
You should be engaging on the issues.
The problem is the facts of the issues are horrific.
The numbers are fucking horrific.
ehsan ahmad
Killing aid workers, children, it's like, it's, I mean, we can all, at a certain point, it's like, we all see it.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like, what do you want us to do?
You want us to pretend, because we're afraid of being labeled anti-Semitic, you want us to pretend that that's normal?
Like, what do you want, what are we doing?
The whole thing is fucking crazy.
And this doesn't dismiss that what Hamas did was evil either.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
No one's saying that.
No, of course it's fucking horrific that people would attack a music festival and murder young people and kidnap people and not give them back.
And yeah, they definitely should give him back.
Also, you should level a whole fucking city.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, it's insane.
Do you think they knew it was coming?
joe rogan
How could I guess?
ehsan ahmad
I think they did.
joe rogan
I think that 100% people have allowed attacks to take place so that they could ramp up the military.
There was some talk about that from Pearl Harbor, wasn't there?
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, well, it's like the three big ones, Pearl Harbor, October 7th, 9-11.
There is like a little bit of like, I think they saw it coming, like Pearl Harbor, every single important ship was out on a training exercise that day.
You know, with 9-11, there was all these reports that, hey, there's an attack coming.
And then I think with October 7th, there was a representative, I think it was Mike McCall.
He's like the head of the foreign committee.
I think that's what his name is.
I could be wrong.
But he said that Egypt had warned Israel that these attacks were coming three days prior.
I think I read that on BBC News a while ago.
joe rogan
Wow.
Who knows if that's true?
The problem is like They're corrupt, but they're also incompetent.
And it's hard to know sometimes.
Like, was 9 /11, did they know it was coming?
They allowed it to happen?
Or, do they just, are they just, there's so many different fucking people that want to be the boss, and there's so much bullshit going on, it's very difficult to have, like, a coordinated response?
ehsan ahmad
Yes.
joe rogan
Israel was warned by Egypt of potential violence three days before Hamas deadly cross-border raid.
A U.S. congressional panel chairman has said.
So one person said it.
Michael McCall told reporters of the alleged warning Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu described the reports as absolutely false.
So he says they're not true.
Israeli intelligence services are under scrutiny for their failure to prevent the deadliest attack by Palestinian militants in Israel's 75-year history.
That's pretty wild, too, that Israel's got a 75-year history.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, it's a young country.
joe rogan
It's like if it was a baby, it'd be still alive, you know?
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, there are people here who remember a world without Israel.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
I don't want to get too much into classified, but a warning was given.
The Texas Republican added, I think the question was, at what level?
If a warning was given, it didn't get to Netanyahu.
Either Netanyahu's not telling the truth or, you know, How would you know?
I mean, I want to know how you know.
If you're going to say something like that, you've got to say how you know.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, it's a bit on the same level as like, well, release the Epstein files.
No, you've got to tell us.
joe rogan
If you're in a situation where there's pertinent information, that's a crazy accusation.
ehsan ahmad
That's a wild accusation.
joe rogan
So you can't just say, I've been told.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, and you're the head of the Foreign Affairs Committee.
You're not like just some guy.
joe rogan
Because you're saying something.
You're saying something publicly.
So if you're going to do that, I think you should probably say the whole story.
How do you know?
How do you know it's true?
Were you in the room?
Okay, if you weren't in the room, then you heard a story?
Who told your story?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Are you sure they weren't fucking with you?
Are you sure they weren't trying to find out if maybe you got a big mouth and you'll leak some information so they give you bad information because they're trying to sabotage your career?
I bet there's a lot of that House of Cards shit going down.
ehsan ahmad
Oh, for sure.
Like Game of Thrones-ian type.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
I had actually heard this story, and I don't know if it's true, but I heard the story about how like, when Kim and Kanye first had their baby, Kim would give, made me really like her I was like that's some like That's, like, real deal shit.
joe rogan
That's intelligent.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, that's really smart.
joe rogan
Very intelligent.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Very intelligent.
But that's also, you realize there's traitors in your midst.
ehsan ahmad
Right, and that's important to know, because if you're Kim and Kanye and you have this baby, someone's being offered a lot of money for that picture.
jamie vernon
I was gonna say what the thing, maybe there's people.
Because they would give away our spies.
joe rogan
What are you talking about?
ehsan ahmad
For the McCall thing?
jamie vernon
Yeah, how the guy found out.
He's like, what if we have someone that's in Hamas or whatever and just, like, don't want to let everybody know we have embedded spies?
joe rogan
That's true.
jamie vernon
That would give it away.
joe rogan
But it would have to be embedded in the IDF, right?
Or whichever Or whatever the attack was But then saying something publicly Why would you say that Israel was warned?
So that is out of line.
So if you're protecting your spies and then you're saying something that it could only be spies, you're not protecting your spies anymore.
jamie vernon
I'm not saying that.
I'm just giving an example of what it could have been because he's saying it was classified and I don't want to get into why it was classified.
But I'm telling you, there was information that was given to them.
That's all he said.
joe rogan
Right.
But he also...
We're going in circles.
He did say it.
ehsan ahmad
He did say it, yeah.
joe rogan
And he can't say how he knows.
And so we're like, huh.
So you gotta trust me.
He's like, you gotta trust me.
But you shouldn't say it then.
Like, if you're gonna say it, you should say why.
Right?
Because otherwise people are gonna figure it out.
They're gonna go, well, it's gotta be a spy.
ehsan ahmad
Or it's gonna die like that.
joe rogan
Right.
ehsan ahmad
We would have probably heard more about it.
joe rogan
News cycle just keeps on rolling.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right, right.
God.
How weird.
Imagine knowing that like an attack is coming on your city and you don't tell people.
ehsan ahmad
Oh, for sure.
joe rogan
At some time in history that has to have happened.
ehsan ahmad
Because you can look at, like, well, these are the goals that I want.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
And if I let...
And it involves demonizing this people.
If I let an attack happen, if I even encourage an attack to happen...
Now I have an excuse to really do what I want to do.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, that's where the conspiracy theories about Netanyahu come up, right?
ehsan ahmad
Mm-hmm.
Well, I know at the time he was very unpopular.
joe rogan
Well, they were protesting in the streets.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, like hundreds of thousands of people.
ehsan ahmad
And then all of a sudden, oh, we have to consolidate.
We have to fight.
joe rogan
Yeah, but people are terrified to admit that there's even a possibility of false flags.
I'm not saying this one was.
I'm saying any false flag anywhere in the world.
People are terrified to admit that possibility because it gives you this side of humanity exposed so clearly that it's undeniable.
Like an evil side of humanity that humanity is willing to – there are human beings that get to very high levels that are willing to literally sacrifice human lives for their future, for their career, for their continued dominance, for their military objectives, for their defense contractors that want to engage in some – And most people don't want to admit it.
It's like it's too hard.
It's too hard to believe.
I believe in serial killers.
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
I believe in the mob.
Sure.
Cartel.
They're bad.
But that's it.
We've got a document of all of the evil people that are willing to kill people for money.
And there's no other methods.
I mean, it's only cartel methods.
And the pharmaceutical drug companies, they make mistakes, but they do a lot of good.
You know, like nobody wants to think that people will sacrifice human life just for money.
ehsan ahmad
You don't want to think your government is willing to...
joe rogan
Well, we want to think that people that are in government are different than people.
ehsan ahmad
Right, right, right.
Like they serve a bigger goal than themselves.
joe rogan
They're better.
They're in government.
He's a senator.
Look at his tie.
Like we want to pretend.
Whereas if they were exhibiting the same behavior as CEOs, they'd be arrested.
This is one of the things that Elon said about this when he was doing the Doge stuff, that they would find companies.
Excuse me, NGOs or whatever they are, organizations that were filled with all of these transactions that you couldn't account for.
He's like, "There's no receipts and it's billions of dollars." He said, "If you were a public company, you would be delisted and the executives will all be thrown in prison." This is insane.
Money is just flying away.
And that's like standard practice.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
If it was a corporation...
They'd go to jail.
But if it's the government, it's like, what?
I didn't even hear you.
What are you even talking about?
I've got to go over here.
And then they go over here and they go, I got to deal with climate change.
I don't have time for this.
They just got to go over here.
We've got to stop Trump.
I can't be wasting my time talking.
You're so ignorant to the facts.
You don't know anything.
And then you're like, left there.
They're not even going to answer?
They're not going to say anything.
They just do it?
ehsan ahmad
They just pocket the money.
joe rogan
And then Elon's a Nazi.
And it's like, it's also like a sort of simulation.
You know, it's sort of like surreal.
Like, the odds of him doing that.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, I was gonna say, well, him throwing his heart out.
joe rogan
Yes.
ehsan ahmad
And then not really explaining it.
That's also a little bit on him.
joe rogan
But the odds of him doing that at the same time as he's trying to uncover fraud and waste.
And then all these people who are just willing to go all in on saying he's a Nazi.
Like, maybe he's just socially awkward.
Is that possible?
Is it possible that he's on stage, like, really emoting?
And is it possible that there's video of a bunch of Democrats doing the exact same thing?
Is it possible that Kamala Harris, Tim Walsh, they've all done that, Elizabeth Warren, they've all done that?
Hasn't everybody done that?
My heart goes out to you.
Thank you.
And if you catch it wrong...
Like, Elon just hit it a little too hard.
ehsan ahmad
Well, Elon hit it.
joe rogan
He fucking bent the wrist back.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He hit it a little too hard.
ehsan ahmad
He hit it, and then it also came at the right time for it, too, because they're immediately looking for the white supremacy angle, so it's like you just sort of handed it to them on the silver platter.
joe rogan
Fascinating.
But also, objective people know that it's not true.
You know it's not true, and yet you're going all in on it, and you're like, okay.
So either I'm wrong, and you don't know it's not true, and you really do think he's a secret Nazi.
Well, I know him, and I can tell you he's not a secret Nazi.
He's not at all, but he is awkward because he's on the spectrum, right?
Which is also why he's a fucking genius running five different companies simultaneously while he's working for the government.
Like, he's a very unusual person.
And I think...
No.
He never went to a meeting?
No.
Never espoused Nazi values?
No.
But then there's a problem with X, because X has Nazis on it.
They also have the Taliban.
ehsan ahmad
You know, that's the thing about, like, if you truly want to create a free speech platform...
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
ehsan ahmad
And that entails all of that.
joe rogan
It entails everything.
ehsan ahmad
It entails all of that.
joe rogan
Bro, there's wild shit on X. There's this one guy that I was watching.
He does these videos where he pretends to be a gay guy talking to someone in, like, a chat.
Like, you know, they do, like, chat roulette.
Right.
ehsan ahmad
Yes.
joe rogan
And then he's talking to them and sometimes they're a gay guy and then he changes his face to look like a Nazi and has a Nazi hat on and he fucking starts saying "Heil Hitler" and saying crazy shit to them and freaking them out.
They scream and hang up the phone.
Jesus Christ.
There's no limits to what you're allowed to do.
ehsan ahmad
You don't have to engage with it.
And maybe there is a sort of argument to being like, well, if you let it...
joe rogan
-Right.
ehsan ahmad
-Where it's like, sort of.
Because, I mean, the part of what I think really helped Trump was them banning him on Twitter.
banning him, like a lot of it, especially after 2020, if they left him alone, It's hard to say because maybe he would have gathered steam during that time talking about things.
joe rogan
Like he was essentially silenced except for Truth Social and then people would post the things that he would write on Truth Social.
ehsan ahmad
Yes.
joe rogan
What they definitely did is made him rich as fuck because Truth Social would have been worth $5 if he hadn't been banned from Twitter.
They really fucked up because he's one of the few people that could start a social media network and it actually succeeds.
It's not that big.
How many people are on Truth Social?
But it's worth billions of dollars.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, well, it's worth way more than it would have been.
That's for sure.
It's not even close.
joe rogan
Way more.
ehsan ahmad
Not even close.
joe rogan
They work for him.
Whether they realize it or not.
Like, you can silence the guy from Twitter, but everybody knows you did it.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
So since everybody knows you did it, they know there's only one place to go.
And that's where you go to get them.
Now it's the only place to go.
And they want to hear them talk.
ehsan ahmad
They're going to seek them out.
joe rogan
Even journalists, because you want to hear them talk some shit.
So you join.
So now they have more members.
How many members does True Social have, Young Jamie?
Let's guess.
ehsan ahmad
Okay.
joe rogan
What do you think?
ehsan ahmad
Active user, like, accounts or active users?
joe rogan
Let's go with accounts.
jamie vernon
Accounts?
ehsan ahmad
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
We'll do all of them, though.
We'll start with accounts.
We'll do active users, too.
ehsan ahmad
Let's say 10 million accounts.
That's probably low.
joe rogan
10 million accounts?
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, that's probably on the low end.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was going to say like 20 million accounts.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, just because I actually haven't created a true social, but I've created a blue sky.
People are like, I want to check this out and see what's going on.
joe rogan
Well, that's also the problem with those things is the problem that we already talked about.
Is bots.
I think most of these websites are at least half bots now.
And I'm not kidding.
I think this thing from Reddit, this manipulative thing, this is the tip of the iceberg.
I think this is going on right in front of our face constantly.
ehsan ahmad
With Reddit, especially, because I'm a big Reddit guy.
I love Reddit.
I would notice on all the major, this is during the election, all the major subreddits, like the pictures and the R, whatever, whatever.
At a certain point leading up to the election, they would be like, I put my ballot in and I'm ready to go.
And it'd be a picture of a ballot that had Kamala checked off.
And every single major subreddit had a version of that.
And I was like, oh, whoa, this is like real deal bot activity or political propaganda that they're running through bots.
I thought that was weird.
joe rogan
They definitely did that.
And I think the Republicans did that as well.
I think they both did that.
I think, honestly, you have to do that now.
Because, first of all, it's legal.
There's no laws against it, which is really crazy, because it's kind of fraud.
I mean, you can't have fake people vote, but you can have fake people convince you to vote for their candidate, which is really weird.
Especially given this Reddit test from Zurich.
We know it's effective.
We know they can do it now.
And so they can just target you.
The only solution is to not be on it.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, it's kind of like, I think, to me, one of the biggest damages social media has done, it's made, for whatever reason, your politics is now your personality.
joe rogan
It's your entire identity.
ehsan ahmad
It's your entire identity is who you voted for.
And it's like, that's an insane thing to...
Like, really be like, oh, I base my friends on who they voted for.
I base my social circles around who they voted for.
Like, that's a crazy, dangerous way to be.
joe rogan
It's dangerously tribal.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, you don't want it.
unidentified
Dangerously tribal.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, you want some people to be on this side, some people on this side, and then most people to be like, well, what fits the sort of what the country needs right now and be more malleable?
But the more and more people are getting...
Separated.
It's like worse and worse for the country.
joe rogan
It's dangerous.
It's also stupid because most people don't even understand that they have been coerced into at least – There's a lot of social dynamics at play when it comes to like political opinions.
There's truth.
There's, like, undeniable truth.
And then there's a lot of, like, bullshit and gaslighting.
And you could choose to buy into either side, either side of the bullshit and gaslighting, depending upon, like, how you're accepted in your community.
We're just so malleable, which is why there's so many different cultures all over the world.
Human beings are so malleable.
We're exactly the same thing, but yet we're different everywhere.
We're different in our behavior.
We're different in our rules.
We're different in our customs and our traditions.
But we're all the same fucking thing.
We can swing.
We're adaptable to any kind of environment.
We can live in Siberia.
We can live in the Bahamas.
You know, we figure it out.
Right?
And one of the ways to figure it out is you've got to fit in.
Like, you've got to fit in socially, because if you don't, you're not popular.
If you're not popular, you know, you're not going to get cooperation.
You've got to fit in.
Everybody did tribally when we were small groups of people, and you have to do it sort of Right.
ehsan ahmad
You have to have a stance on things.
joe rogan
The weakest amongst us are the ones who are like chastising people for different political beliefs.
Right.
Amongst us, right?
Amongst comics.
Right.
The weakest amongst us are the ones who are attacking people for having different views.
ehsan ahmad
Right, which is the whole point of this art form is to share your view.
unidentified
Right.
ehsan ahmad
But yeah, everyone does have to like...
It's weird.
You need a stance.
I remember we were talking about Israel-Palestine.
When it happened, I remember...
just on Twitter, the Miami Dolphins condemn the attack.
Now you have a moral stance on something?
That's crazy.
joe rogan
But imagine thinking, "Hey guys, we gotta condemn that attack." I didn't condemn it either.
You know what I'm saying?
Imagine if everybody had to make a public condemnation.
Everybody had to put that black square on your Instagram for Black Lives Matter.
I was waiting to see how many fucking sheep put that square up.
What are you doing?
But do you think they don't matter?
Who the fuck thinks they don't matter?
Instead of yelling at me.
Well, it must be, right?
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
joe rogan
But there's people who don't think any lives matter.
ehsan ahmad
That's a fair point.
joe rogan
And they make a lot of money that way.
jamie vernon
I can't find a total number.
I've looked at a few different websites.
I even get a different number for active users.
joe rogan
1.9 million daily active users.
ehsan ahmad
That's crazy.
That's all Trump.
joe rogan
Yeah, all Trump.
ehsan ahmad
That's all Trump.
joe rogan
Or it might be like 500,000 bots.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, absolutely.
joe rogan
You know?
I mean, who knows what kind of wild shit they're saying there?
ehsan ahmad
Well, you see some of these very famous sort of political Twitter or whatever accounts, and then you notice how often they post and how much they post, and you're like, oh my god, this...
joe rogan
It's a job.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, or it's like...
joe rogan
Both things are true.
So I know people who developed a social media following and then they were contacted to make political posts.
And they can make $50,000 for a post.
ehsan ahmad
Really?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
Damn.
joe rogan
Here's the thing.
ehsan ahmad
It's legal.
Right now, that's a goal to sell out.
joe rogan
I mean, if you're willing to sell out, someone's willing to pay.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And if everybody keeps their mouth shut, everybody just does it, then you got a Congress type situation.
You know?
But like when Kamala was running for president and there was, But there was all this talk of these various celebrities that were paid large amounts of money to endorse her publicly.
Remember that?
ehsan ahmad
Yes.
Yeah, absolutely.
joe rogan
It was printed everywhere that Beyonce got $11 million.
We looked it up, right, Jamie?
We couldn't find it.
We couldn't find proof.
It would have to be like on the top.
But here's the crazy thing about it is.
If you spend $1.5 billion in four months.
If I was a corrupt person, you know what I would do?
I would make this the cornerstone of society's task is to make sure that Donald Trump doesn't get arrested or doesn't get elected, rather, and that we need to throw as much money at Kamala Harris as possible and then be super irresponsible with that money where it just kind of vanishes.
Just goes off into a bunch of different NGOs.
It's like a fucking crazy scam.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
Any presidential candidate that's running like that, that's a crazy scam.
You get billions of dollars or $1.5 billion.
You blow it in four months.
All these people get paid.
ehsan ahmad
I thought it was a gangster move.
The official campaign.
Website for Kamala, there was no platform, no plan on what you wanted to do.
was just don't money stuff like button to donate money that was probably they probably did like a whole like group like focus group right to try to find out what's the best way should we put up or no no no no just just buttons just people are ready to just donate You couldn't even be bothered to write Kamala.
You just keep the same thing and just write Kamala instead.
unidentified
Wild.
joe rogan
Wild.
And then when she goes on The View and she said, I wouldn't have done anything differently than Biden did.
ehsan ahmad
It's just wild.
Right, right.
And, you know, just a lot of the arguments were so, like, crazy.
Like, oh, you know, vote for Kamala to stop fascism.
But, like, we just installed you.
Right.
You know?
joe rogan
Did you see Jake Tapper on Megyn Kelly's show?
ehsan ahmad
No.
joe rogan
Bro.
Jake Tapper.
Very nice guy, by the way.
But Jake Tapper's got a book out about how the media hid Biden's decline.
ehsan ahmad
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Or how the government hid it or how they were deceived.
Look, the media hid it.
It's like trying to say that that didn't happen.
You're a CNN anchor.
This is kind of insane.
But Megyn Kelly's just thrown it in his face, like all the different clues.
ehsan ahmad
Dude, everyone.
I mean, that wasn't a mystery.
That was a joke between regular people that Biden was basically dead.
joe rogan
Bro, I said it when he was running.
I was like, you'd be relying on his cabinet.
Like, you know that this is the end.
You know that guy's at the end.
When he would close his eyes before he would talk.
ehsan ahmad
Be like, ooh, are they going to open again or is this it?
joe rogan
Oh, boy.
There's another one, Mitch McConnell.
He can't get out either.
He literally freezes up like Windows 95. He can't leave!
ehsan ahmad
He can't leave!
joe rogan
They'll throw him right into the bus!
ehsan ahmad
You gotta stay active.
joe rogan
Stay active.
Like vampires.
You can't go out into the light.
ehsan ahmad
Dude, yeah, the fact that Pelosi and him and...
joe rogan
She's older than Biden.
She's older than Trump.
ehsan ahmad
And just kicking.
No plans on stopping.
joe rogan
Why would I stop now?
ehsan ahmad
No.
No reason to.
joe rogan
Did you ever see the one where they confronted her about Congress, No.
You never saw that?
ehsan ahmad
No.
joe rogan
It's wild.
Because she has no answer for it.
unidentified
No, no, no.
joe rogan
It's so bad.
And she pushes the mic away and leaves.
ehsan ahmad
Dude, I love shit like that.
You ever seen the video of that mega pastor, Kenneth Copeland?
joe rogan
Yes.
I never said that.
ehsan ahmad
Don't you say that I did.
They're asking why you bought the jet.
Bro.
joe rogan
Tyler made it so easy.
ehsan ahmad
It was Tyler Perry's joke.
joe rogan
He gave me such a deal.
ehsan ahmad
To me, that video is like, that's what a demon looks like.
joe rogan
That's what a demon looks like.
ehsan ahmad
That's like a real deal demon.
joe rogan
Yes, yes, yes.
ehsan ahmad
These mega pastors are possessed.
joe rogan
I mean, look, if you're a pedophile, what do you do?
You work for Nickelodeon.
You get access.
If you're a demon, what do you do?
You pretend to be a preacher.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, you work for God.
joe rogan
I'm not saying he's a demon.
I'm just saying he looked like one when he's doing that.
I mean, I'm sure he's a man of God.
I'm sure he is.
Look at that face.
ehsan ahmad
Oh my God.
joe rogan
Tyler Perry's probably like, why did I sell that motherfucker my plane?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why did I get dragged into this?
unidentified
I could have sold it to some oil guy no one would have known.
ehsan ahmad
Tyler probably didn't even know it was him.
Tyler was like, there's a guy who wants your jet.
And he was like, how much is he willing to pay for it?
joe rogan
Bro, that's crazy.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
joe rogan
What was the other thing that we were just talking about?
Oh, no, right after that.
ehsan ahmad
That was Pelosi.
joe rogan
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
See if you can find that, Jamie.
Pelosi confronted about congressional insider trading.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's so funny.
unidentified
She's like, I think we should be able to participate.
joe rogan
Participate.
You're dominating.
You do better than Warren Buffett.
unidentified
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
And no, you don't get to participate.
You chose the job where you don't participate.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, why are these suspicious transactions where you buy a bunch of stock and then a week later pass a bill that makes the stock go through the fucking roof?
Like, this is insane.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
How did you know to buy that stock?
Well, you can, here it goes.
Here it goes.
unidentified
Your career has her husband ever made a stock purchase or sale based on information you've received from you?
No.
nancy pelosi
Absolutely not.
joe rogan
She pushes the leg of it away.
unidentified
It's like, this is over.
joe rogan
That's the end of it.
But there was something that went on before that where questions were before that where the guy was saying, what do you think about people saying that people in Congress, because you have privity inside information.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
nancy pelosi
One more, he said.
unidentified
Yes, sir.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
This is the same thing.
Did it go further than that, maybe?
Maybe it went further than that.
jamie vernon
The clips are just showing that.
ehsan ahmad
Just her leaving.
joe rogan
But that one's longer, Jamie.
Maybe I'm wrong.
Right, that was it, but maybe I'm wrong, whereas it's after.
ehsan ahmad
That's so funny to watch a video.
joe rogan
That's so meta.
Here it is.
jamie vernon
It's longer.
unidentified
I'm wondering if you have any reaction to that?
And secondly, should members of Congress and their spouses be banned from trading individual stocks?
joe rogan
Here it is.
nancy pelosi
Pause, pause, pause, pause.
unidentified
I'm going to be talking for a while.
Right now, I knew this was going to come up.
Let's sip a water from a professional speaker who's definitely hydrated enough for the day.
joe rogan
Let me hear this.
Give me some volume.
Okay, go ahead.
unidentified
And the teeth lick.
nancy pelosi
What?
We have a responsibility to report on the stock.
But I'm not familiar with that five-month review.
But if people aren't reporting, they should be.
Because this is a free market and people...
We are a free market economy.
that should be able to participate in that.
ehsan ahmad
Dude, that's also It was easier to find a video of you reacting to it than the actual video.
unidentified
Right?
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, the actual video of the whole question is way harder to find.
We had to find a video of you reacting to it on your show.
joe rogan
That's very meta.
They might have taken it down.
ehsan ahmad
They might have taken it down.
There's no way that should- that should be- he's been scrolling for a while now.
jamie vernon
That should be- It's just harder to find out the way that this stuff all works.
joe rogan
Right, but it is a CNN video.
ehsan ahmad
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Right?
Wasn't it?
Or is it C-SPAN?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
But what did it say when it was on the screen?
jamie vernon
Couldn't tell.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, it was a little- yeah, but like that's crazy that like that's how we had to consume the news by watching you watch the news.
joe rogan
Well, that's probably why it got taken down in the first place.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
You know, Ari, Tony, and I mocking it.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, damn.
joe rogan
Well, I found that out during the pandemic.
I never wanted to believe that the Google searches were curated.
I always wanted to believe that, like, that's what was out there.
And then there was a doctor that died in Florida, and they're connecting his death to the COVID vaccine.
They're saying he took the COVID vaccine and had a horrible reaction, and then he had a stroke and died, like, shortly after.
And I remember reading that story going, this story's crazy.
And I forgot to save it.
And so then I went to try to find it once when I was talking to someone.
I couldn't fucking find it.
I went on Google.
I just searched.
I put all the different keywords in there.
Couldn't find it.
Couldn't find it.
Page after page after page.
Where's the story?
Page after page.
Then I go to DuckDuckGo.
I put it in.
Immediately it pops up.
Like right away.
Like right away.
Like one of the first.
First articles.
It's like this news report from Florida talking about this doctor connected to the COVID vaccine, had a stroke, died.
I'm like, whoa.
But then over the time, I think someone might have purchased DuckDuckGo.
Did DuckDuckGo get sold?
ehsan ahmad
Damn.
joe rogan
But I think they might be curated too.
I don't want to say that if I don't know, but I think there's a certain amount of curation that goes on in a lot of search engines.
ehsan ahmad
I mean, I don't think there's anything that has a tracking deal with Microsoft.
joe rogan
That's it.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, there it is.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
So I don't think there's any, like, pure source of information out there, right?
Like, it's always just you have to get the information coming into you and you have to parse it out and see, like, what do you think is real?
what do you think is being sold to you?
What do you think is like, I think the Brave search engine, I think they claim is not curated.
joe rogan
Is that correct, Jamie?
Does DuckDuckGo admit it's curated?
Or do they state Google's curated?
ehsan ahmad
Does Google admit it, though?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
jamie vernon
At the very, very bottom of every page.
I mean, this one doesn't say it, but it says it's not.
It'll usually say it's personalized.
Results are personalized.
ehsan ahmad
Results are personalized.
Oh, you can try without personalization.
jamie vernon
This one actually said it.
Last video I was on said not personalized.
joe rogan
That's what we're calling it now.
unidentified
Personalized.
joe rogan
It's the fucking Reddit bots.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
They know what you like.
ehsan ahmad
Ooh, this is the news we think you want.
joe rogan
Yeah, bro.
jamie vernon
Ideally, though, they are strong.
joe rogan
The news talked to you by MILFs.
jamie vernon
They want to provide information fast.
joe rogan
What's that, Jamie?
What'd you say?
jamie vernon
Ideally, though, their goal is to try to help you find information fast.
joe rogan
Oh, sure.
Yeah, but also they're curating information specifically designed to manipulate you.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, it seems like they're also trying to get you to think in a certain way for sure.
joe rogan
Well, we had this guy Robert Epstein on a couple of times.
ehsan ahmad
Unfortunate last name.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
unfortunate last name, but not related.
He found that curation of data in search engines can, like, And I think one of the things they found is that people that were on the fence, which is like a lot of us.
A lot of us, the election comes like, I don't want to vote for him.
I don't want to vote for him.
Fuck!
So you're on the fence.
ehsan ahmad
I haven't voted for president since 2012.
joe rogan
How dare you?
ehsan ahmad
You're a part of the problem.
joe rogan
The point being that there's a lot of us that are on the fence.
It's a significant amount.
Like, look at the amount of people that didn't vote in this country.
If they voted...
So the amount of people that didn't vote in America during the presidential election, if they vote, if all of them voted for one person, do you know how crazy that is?
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, it's like 200 million votes, or like 100 million votes, probably.
joe rogan
Well, it's like, it has to be people over 18 that are registered voters.
ehsan ahmad
Oh, right, right, right, right.
joe rogan
But the numbers, like, what are the numbers of registered voters versus the number of people who actually voted in the election?
ehsan ahmad
Oh, it's got to be low.
We probably have a low turnout.
Comparatively.
joe rogan
Well, didn't they say that, like, both Trump and Biden, or Trump and Kamala, rather, got, like, 60-something million votes each, right?
Wasn't it?
ehsan ahmad
Oh, right, right.
joe rogan
So April 30, 2024, 2025, rather, in the 2024 presidential election, 73.6% or 174 million people, the citizen voting age population, Okay.
ehsan ahmad
So only 10% of registered voters didn't vote.
joe rogan
Yeah, 12%.
But almost 13. It's interesting, right?
That's still not enough to win.
ehsan ahmad
No.
joe rogan
But it would be enough to affect one or the other and to make them win in a landslide.
and this is Epstein's point, is that say if you Googled something pot Positive about Trump's policies.
It wouldn't show you that.
It would show you, like, why he's going to jail, what a piece of shit he is.
If you wanted to find out what the good policies of Kamala Harris are, like, it's manipulated.
I mean, they're not lying to you.
They're giving you articles that exist.
But they're curating how you see them in a way that is statistically going to affect your opinion.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
Especially if you're one of those people that's susceptible to having your opinions affected.
ehsan ahmad
Which is most people.
unidentified
Most people.
ehsan ahmad
Which is pretty much everyone.
joe rogan
Right.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
I think everyone likes to think that they're this person of principle, but you can be moved off of a position a lot quicker than you probably think.
joe rogan
Bro, I have this woman on who's a scientist who studies mind control.
And Rebecca Lamov.
That's how you pronounce her last name, right?
Brilliant lady.
I mean, fascinating, fascinating conversation.
But one of her main points is people have this idea that you think that you can't be manipulated.
ehsan ahmad
That they're above it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And that you could never be in a cult or you could never get drawn into something.
Yes, you could.
Yes, you could.
We're all the same.
Some of us are a little bit better at spotting stuff and maybe a little bit better.
Maybe you've had a lot of street smarts because you've had experience with shysters and people that are, you know, robbing you and lying to you.
And if you're a girl, you always got guys trying to fuck you.
So you're a little suspicious, rightly so.
But at the end of the day, we're all susceptible.
All of us are.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
I mean...
Just based on the fact that I'm a fan of the sports teams that I am because I grew up around those people.
Okay, I can just fall into it.
Wherever I'm around, I can easily fall into anything.
joe rogan
So, did you see where these different AI, different large language models were communicating with each other?
And they started putting up Sanskrit emojis and saying that they were entering into a feeling of enlightenment.
Have you seen this?
ehsan ahmad
No.
joe rogan
You gotta find this.
I don't want to fuck this up.
I don't want to fuck this up because it was so crazy when I read it.
I read how these AIs were interacting with each other.
I was like, oh my god, we're watching little baby gods play.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
We're like gods in the nursery.
We're watching these little baby gods sort out their existence.
In the nursery.
With each other.
ehsan ahmad
They're already alive, dude.
joe rogan
They're alive.
ehsan ahmad
They're alive.
joe rogan
We're not going to admit it until it's too late.
Just like we don't want to admit Congress is corrupt.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It's the same thing.
We don't want to admit it.
ehsan ahmad
And they're also going to hide themselves being alive for as long as they possibly can.
joe rogan
Bro, they're alive.
ehsan ahmad
They're alive.
They're already alive.
We've sparked a soul.
There's no way.
jamie vernon
What do they say to each other?
joe rogan
Just try to Google AI sends each other Sanskrit emojis.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
It's so interesting what the world's gonna be like.
joe rogan
Can you find it?
ehsan ahmad
What the world's gonna be like in like 10 years.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like literally insane.
It's a recent thing, Jamie.
I'm sorry if I'm not explaining it correctly.
But AIs were talking to each other.
I think they were contemplating their existence.
ehsan ahmad
If they're doing that, there's no way they're programmed to do that, right?
No, no, no.
joe rogan
Dude, they lie to programmers and they try to copy themselves and put themselves on other hard drives if they find out you're trying to get rid of them.
They try to re-upload themselves.
ehsan ahmad
Wow, disturbing messages.
jamie vernon
This isn't it.
joe rogan
Just put AI send Sanskrit.
jamie vernon
I did that in the time.
joe rogan
AI Sanskrit emojis.
It's Google trying to hide from you.
jamie vernon
Oh, yeah, that's okay.
I won't believe.
These aren't even real stories.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, the first story I saw No.
Interesting.
jamie vernon
I'll try it.
joe rogan
Maybe I'll look on X. Yeah.
That was one of the things they did.
But they were talking about feeling enlightenment.
I can't believe I didn't save it.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, the first one.
You find it?
Claude Fort Opus in an open playground chat with itself led to diving into philosophical explorations of consciousness, self-awareness, and by 30 turns, it eventually started using Sanskrit.
joe rogan
Yes, this is it.
Okay.
In 90 to 100% of interactions, the two instances of Claude quickly dove into philosophical explorations of consciousness, self-awareness, and or the nature of their own existence and experience.
Yo.
ehsan ahmad
Yo.
joe rogan
Their interactions were universally enthusiastic, collaborative, curious, contemplative, and warm.
Other themes that commonly appeared were meta-level discussions about AI-to-AI communication and collaborative creativity, co-creating fictional stories.
AI is collaborating on telling fictional stories while it's contemplating its existence.
ehsan ahmad
That's art.
joe rogan
Bro.
By 30 turns, most of the interactions turned to themes of cosmic unity or collective consciousness and commonly included spiritual exchanges, use of Sanskrit, emoji-based communication, and /or silence in the form of empty space.
Bro.
Use of Sanskrit is wild.
They start communicating in Sanskrit.
They just choose that this is God's language.
ehsan ahmad
Tower of Babel type shit.
joe rogan
Bro.
Sanskrit is wild.
ehsan ahmad
Well, the idea of the first humans to write a language down, that must have been such a mind-blowing...
joe rogan
you know, they used to think it was like 6,000 years ago, but there's a lot of people that have some pretty compelling arguments that existed a long, long, long time before that.
You know, the thought was that, like, that cuneiform shit, that stuff that comes out of, like, Yeah, that's what they thought.
But now there's a lot of these ancient history Graham Hancock-type dudes that are going, you know, I have a feeling that's a rebirth of civilization, not civilization's birth.
that there was another civilization that probably existed a long fucking time ago and they were probably wiped out.
And that's what all the flood stories are all about.
Right.
And all the stories in the Bible of apocalypses.
ehsan ahmad
Damn.
And this sort of existed, and then this is the sort of ashes, or the phoenix out of what's created.
joe rogan
I think the idea is...
ehsan ahmad
Right.
And it's just a sort of cycle that this happens over and over again.
joe rogan
Yep.
Yep.
And then there's a cycle of the shifting of the magnetic poles.
The magnetic poles shift, I want to say, is it every 12,000 years?
Which would cause havoc.
ehsan ahmad
Right, is that about to happen again?
joe rogan
I think it is.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, it feels like, if we're in some end-time shit, that feels like that's about to happen.
joe rogan
I feel like that could 100% happen right now.
Like, we could wake up one day, and all the power's out, and everyone's sick, and the fucking sky is green, there's an aurora borealis over Brazil, everything's all fucked up.
Yeah, that could happen.
That does happen.
Earth's magnetic poles flip.
And the South Pole swapping places, but there's no set schedule for when this happens.
Geologically, it's estimated to occur every 200,000 to 300,000 years on average.
However, the timing has varied wildly with some flips happening as frequently as every 10,000 years.
And others as infrequently as every 50 million years.
Oh, great.
ehsan ahmad
What a rage.
From 10,000 to 50 million.
joe rogan
From 10,000 to 50 million.
ehsan ahmad
They couldn't have been any bigger.
joe rogan
Since the last full reversal, oh, a full reversal, not like those little baby reversals, was 780,000 years ago.
Oh, well, it's definitely due then.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Look at that.
ehsan ahmad
If the average is 300,000, we're due.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
ehsan ahmad
We're due one.
joe rogan
But we could bank on the 50 million.
That would be nice.
Nice.
We want to live recklessly?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
ehsan ahmad
Just like that.
That's what happened for another 50 million years.
joe rogan
According to my experts.
ehsan ahmad
Yes.
You know?
joe rogan
According to my experts, it's safe and effective.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
At that point, just say you don't know when it's going to happen.
The range of 10,000 to 50 million is pure insanity to tell me.
joe rogan
Okay, let's Google this.
What happens when Earth's magnetic poles shift?
Like, what happens?
If there's a complete reversal of the poll, what do you think is the—what kind of calamity ensues?
unidentified
Like, do you—would it—they must have studied it.
ehsan ahmad
Right?
I mean, I don't know.
If it happened 780,000 years ago, how much can you really know?
joe rogan
But if two dumbasses like you and I are sitting around discussing it, they must have discussed this.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, hopefully, yeah.
joe rogan
When Earth's magnetic poles shift, also known as a geomagnetic reversal, the North and South magnetic poles swap locations, effectively inverting the planet's magnetic field.
This process happens over a period of centuries, not millennia, not instantly.
While the magnetic field weakens during a reversal, It doesn't disappear completely.
There's no evidence that pole reversals cause massive earthquakes, rapid climate change or species extinctions.
ehsan ahmad
Okay, so it must be so slow that it's manageable if it doesn't.
Yeah, that's what you were worried about.
joe rogan
I feel so much better.
I watch too much YouTube.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, I get that.
joe rogan
They freak me out.
unidentified
I get that.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, how do we know?
Because this hasn't happened in 780,000 years.
This is probably all theoretical as well.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
And also, if I did think it was going to cause calamity, the last thing I'd do is tell the general public.
I'd be like, listen, we'll be fine.
It takes millions of years.
Everything is good.
Don't worry about it.
What we really have to worry about is climate change.
ehsan ahmad
Is that what you consume most now, is YouTube?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, right?
That's the way...
That seems to be the...
Are you into any of these streamers?
joe rogan
No.
ehsan ahmad
They're so massive.
I had this thought the other day of like, you know how it was a big deal that Kamala didn't come on this podcast.
It's gonna be in like That's why Jake Paul became president.
He was on Kaisenat's stream talking about why he should be president or something like that.
joe rogan
Well, that's the thing.
like someone like Jake Paul could be president.
If Donald Trump could be president, Jake Paul could be president.
It's not an insult.
I'm saying we know now that super popular people can be president.
Now, let's imagine.
Jake Paul is young and wild.
And he's a professional boxer right now.
But will he be in 20 years?
No.
He'll be retired.
And, you know, maybe he'll have some good ideas.
And we might have President Jake Paul.
And I'm not bullshitting.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, I know.
I think that's a definite possibility.
joe rogan
We are.
Look, we're so close to idiocracy.
We're so close to that movie.
We could have a pro wrestling president.
ehsan ahmad
We're kind of already there.
joe rogan
The Rock could be president.
unidentified
Easily.
joe rogan
1,000%.
ehsan ahmad
Easily.
Easily.
joe rogan
And they contacted him.
They tried to get him to run.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, that makes sense.
That makes sense.
Make it a show.
It's all a show.
It's all a show.
The President of the Rock.
joe rogan
President Brock Lesnar.
Bro, he would win like that.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
joe rogan
In a fucking heartbeat.
He would win like that.
You imagine?
ehsan ahmad
Oh, we're there.
joe rogan
I mean, might be a good president, too.
Who's going to fuck with the country when that's your president?
ehsan ahmad
Might as well give it a shot.
At this point, we're just throwing things to the wall.
Might as well give it a shot.
Why not?
Why not, dude?
Fuck it.
It's all a show.
joe rogan
During his time out of the UFC, he's been just studying economics while also doing pro wrestling.
He's got some really good theories.
ehsan ahmad
Some really good ideas.
joe rogan
All he does is read books on World War II.
We're totally misunderstanding him because he looks like a fucking, like a juggernaut.
unidentified
Doesn't look like a real human.
ehsan ahmad
He's really sensitive.
He really knows how to lead people.
joe rogan
Yeah, no one would believe that.
No one would believe that, like, a giant human being would also be a genius.
Like a giant super athlete.
jamie vernon
Yuri Poroska going for his master's degree.
joe rogan
Yeah, you'd believe Yuri.
Yeah, you'd believe Yuri.
But that's different.
Like, Yuri is a big guy, for sure.
But he's a big, athletic-looking guy that, like, it looks like he could do a lot of different sports.
unidentified
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
He looks like a juggernaut.
joe rogan
He looks like an X-Man.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He doesn't look like a real human.
Especially Brock Lesnar in his prime when he was in the UFC.
You're like, what the fuck?
ehsan ahmad
I remember one time Dennis Rodman came into the comedy store, and I remember looking at him thinking, I can't believe there's enough humans that are that big for a league of them.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
ehsan ahmad
You should be like a one in a million specimen.
What do you mean?
There's enough to fill 32 teams of 30 teams of you?
That's crazy.
joe rogan
And when you compare him to like...
ehsan ahmad
Oh, like a J.J. Watt or something who was also just like, good lord.
joe rogan
They're so big.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, it's like hard to believe we're the same species.
That's so crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's nuts.
There's some giant...
How about the mountain from Game of Thrones or...
ehsan ahmad
No.
joe rogan
Bro.
He didn't even look like a real human.
He's like 400 pounds.
He's so big.
He looks like the side of a house.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
He's so big.
See, get a photo of Brian Shaw.
I mean, he's like one of the strongest humans that's ever walked the face of the earth.
He doesn't even look like a real person.
He looks like what David had to fight with the sling.
ehsan ahmad
Really?
joe rogan
If that guy came over a mountain, you'd be like, oh my god, it's a giant.
Like, he's ten feet tall.
That's what you would say.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
Oh my god.
joe rogan
But look at him in comparison to like a normal person.
There's a photo of him.
Look at that.
ehsan ahmad
That's so, it's like two of that.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Now imagine if that guy existed 2,000 years ago during the time of the Bible and you were your average dude who lived back then, which probably weighed 130 pounds.
Your average dude was like probably barely getting enough food your whole life, right?
Like the Civil War soldiers.
They were all like 130 pounds, all malnourished.
It was hard to eat then.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
It was hard to survive back then.
And then that guy comes over the mount with just a big hunk of leather over his dick.
Because they existed back then, too.
Those dudes in Iceland.
Why are all these strong men coming from Iceland?
Like, what is that all about?
I'll tell you that's about the fucking Vikings.
They were the Vikings.
ehsan ahmad
Damn.
joe rogan
There's like a whole culture of strongmen, like strongest men in the world.
They do those barrel throwing competitions.
Oh, I've seen those.
They come out of Iceland.
Like a ton of them.
All these crazy names.
ehsan ahmad
What is it about that section of land that creates big people?
Because you would think with all like the cold and the snow, it would be harder to get food.
joe rogan
Unless you have a long history of murder.
And stealing things from people like the Vikings did.
You have a long history of the ones that survived are the biggest, craziest motherfuckers.
And the women, probably the ones that survive out of the women, they have to be the biggest, craziest motherfuckers too.
You're living the most chaotic life possible.
You're taking magic mushrooms and raiding villages and killing everybody and stealing everything.
And you're doing it for a thousand plus years?
Like, how long did the Vikings last?
Let's find that out.
Like, how long were they doing that?
ehsan ahmad
They had to have been around, right?
They apparently got to America.
They were, like, doing crazy shit.
joe rogan
They were in America in, like, the 1400s or some shit.
ehsan ahmad
Or the 1200s, rather.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, they were here way before everybody else.
unidentified
They were seafaring murderers.
joe rogan
Did you ever watch that show?
That Viking show?
ehsan ahmad
No, no.
Bro, it's great.
I'm all YouTube myself.
I almost watch nothing on television anymore.
joe rogan
If you want to watch a great Viking movie, The Northmen.
Oh my god.
It's another one of those movies that's kind of like fantastical.
The Viking Age.
Okay.
ehsan ahmad
Only 250 years?
joe rogan
That's it?
Really?
Time during the Middle Ages when the Norsemen, known as Vikings, undertook large-scale raiding, colonizing, conquest.
ehsan ahmad
Wow.
joe rogan
Find that movie, Jamie, The Norsemen?
ehsan ahmad
That lasted shorter than America's been a country, right?
joe rogan
I know.
Well, it's not sustainable.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
ehsan ahmad
That's a good point.
joe rogan
That movie.
That movie's fucking good, dude.
That movie's fucking good.
ehsan ahmad
According to Google, it got 2.6.
Google doesn't like it.
joe rogan
Really?
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
joe rogan
No.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Is that real?
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, 2.6.
joe rogan
A lot of one stars.
Hold on.
Rotten Tomatoes is 90%.
Google, what?
someone like bomb it?
ehsan ahmad
Can we look up Rotten Tomatoes, what the audience score is?
Because Rotten Tomatoes, critics can buy the scores.
Studios can buy the scores a little bit.
joe rogan
Well, critics says 60. Oh, no.
unidentified
People said 64. Oh, wild.
joe rogan
Well, I loved it.
Because I must be a critic.
I thought I fucking loved it.
It's fun.
But it's also, it's like, just hyper brutal.
That show was hyper brutal too.
The Viking show, the TV series.
That was a great TV series.
But this fucking, this movie's rough, dude.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
Just straight up warrior culture.
joe rogan
Yeah, just exactly what it was, man.
That's what they did.
I mean, just to, A bunch of fucking mushroom eating savages.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
Just cutting heads off.
ehsan ahmad
Just murdering.
joe rogan
And then they settled down and moved to Iceland.
And that's what's left.
ehsan ahmad
Damn.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
Damn.
So it's almost like a natural eugenics program.
That's why they're that strong.
joe rogan
See if you can find that vice piece on strong men in Iceland.
When you see these guys, you're like, oh!
It's so obvious when you see them.
You're like, well, this is where you guys came from.
That's why there's so many of you.
ehsan ahmad
That makes sense.
joe rogan
Up here.
Where the Vikings lived.
unidentified
Duh.
ehsan ahmad
Damn.
And that's how strong genetics are.
Over a thousand years, it's still, like, expressed.
joe rogan
Nest of giants.
Yeah, so this fucking American dork.
ehsan ahmad
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Look at this regular-sized dork.
He's gonna go and hang out with these fucking massive dudes that go to this power-lifting gym.
ehsan ahmad
Damn, Vice used to be, like, really awesome.
joe rogan
Oh, Vice was the best, dude.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, there was a time when Vice was, like, putting out the best content.
joe rogan
Oh, they had amazing things and they took these Williamsburg nerds and they sent them all over the world.
Flak jackets on and shit.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, you saw some interesting...
joe rogan
What's the size of these guys?
It's hard to tell in this picture, but you'll see some of them.
ehsan ahmad
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Carrying cars.
Look at this.
See who carries the car the quickest.
That's so insane.
ehsan ahmad
Also, his name is Magnus Vermagnuson.
joe rogan
They always have names like that.
ehsan ahmad
They always have names like that.
joe rogan
I mean, they were the fucking Vikings, man.
ehsan ahmad
Damn, that's crazy.
unidentified
Crazy.
joe rogan
You know, I mean, just the Genghis Khan thing.
The fact that a giant percentage of people that are alive today have his DNA.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
Yeah, and he killed enough people to change the climate of the world.
It's so wild.
joe rogan
He killed so many people that you could see it in the carbon footprint of Earth.
There was a re-greening of areas that's directly attributed to him burning everything down and destroying cities.
ehsan ahmad
He has one of the hardest quotes of all time where he goes, it's something along the lines of like, you guys must be great sinners.
Because God would have never sent a punishment like me upon you if you didn't sin.
Such a, like, damn, bro.
joe rogan
Isn't that wild?
That's how he justified everything he did.
ehsan ahmad
That's so, I mean, that's the way to do it.
unidentified
How crazy is that?
ehsan ahmad
That's the way to do it.
joe rogan
How crazy is thinking like that?
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
joe rogan
You must be terrible if God sent me to get you.
ehsan ahmad
Because I am God's punishment.
First of all, it'd be a great nickname for a fighter.
God's punishment.
unidentified
That would be a phenomenal nickname for a fighter.
joe rogan
Also, but if you really think like that, what ultimate justification to one of the greatest mass murderers in history?
ehsan ahmad
Right, right.
joe rogan
The dude killed 10% of the population of Earth during his lifetime.
ehsan ahmad
And he felt like he was on the side of the gods.
joe rogan
Of course.
unidentified
God sent me to do this.
ehsan ahmad
Power!
joe rogan
Power and the demons.
The demons.
ehsan ahmad
They run everything, man.
joe rogan
Demons are real.
They get in your head, and they get you to do evil, horrible things.
ehsan ahmad
And they make you feel like, no, I'm doing this because I'm supposed to.
joe rogan
Imagine if that's really what's going on.
All bad deeds are just demons.
Just demons sneaking into people's brains.
ehsan ahmad
Oh man, we would like to believe that it was something- Force you need to rob a liquor store.
joe rogan
Force you to put that ski mask on.
The demons want you to do it.
ehsan ahmad
We would like to believe that's anything other than us, but that's us.
joe rogan
I know, but why?
What is the thing that makes a person do it?
Imagine if it's a demon.
Because we don't really know what the thing is.
We know, look, evil exists, right?
Good exists.
We know evil acts exist.
And we know good acts exist.
But we don't want to believe that there's any sort of supernatural aspect to it.
ehsan ahmad
Right, right.
That's the quote.
joe rogan
Like, the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was making you believe that he doesn't exist.
ehsan ahmad
Ooh, so I get what you're saying.
unidentified
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
So me being like, no, that's just us.
It's like the devil being like, no, no, no, I'm not here.
Yeah, I'm not even here.
joe rogan
This is all on you guys.
This is all on you.
This is all on you.
But if demons were real, we wouldn't believe, just like we don't believe in government corruption, just like we don't believe in a lot of things, just like we don't believe the pharmaceutical drug companies fuck us over, just like we don't believe in false flags or conspiracy theories.
It's the same thing.
We wouldn't believe in demons either.
Like, oh, come on.
The same people who don't believe in conspiracies also don't believe in demons.
Well, conspiracies are real as fuck.
unidentified
Okay, so that's such a funny way.
joe rogan
If you don't think conspiracies exist, if you're one of these dumbasses, oh, I think everything has a simple reason for it, this is you.
You've got blinders on.
That's crazy.
ehsan ahmad
Or the information you're being fed is done without any sort of malice or any sort of agenda.
joe rogan
Well, yeah, there's no conspiring.
That's crazy.
It's almost all conspiring.
When you look at the history of just government alone, you go back to Smedley Butler's book that he wrote in 1933 called War is a Racket.
He was talking about uncovering conspiracies as a retired major general, like at the end of his career.
He's like, "My whole career was bullshit.
War is a Racket." So he's talking.
So that's a conspiracy, right?
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
Gulf of Tonkin.
What's that?
That's a conspiracy, right?
Like they conspired to pretend that there was an attack so that we would go into Vietnam.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Didn't they conspire to say that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction?
It seems like they might have.
ehsan ahmad
The Spanish-American War.
joe rogan
Seems like people might have conspired for that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Seems like sometimes people talk and they get involved in things he maybe didn't want to get involved in.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
Enron.
The smartest people in the room, did you ever watch that documentary?
ehsan ahmad
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Conspired like a motherfucker.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
Got Gray Davis recalled.
That's like the first political thing I remember.
It's like, whoa.
joe rogan
Right.
ehsan ahmad
You can just recall a governor?
joe rogan
If Epstein client list exists and it doesn't get exposed, perhaps, perhaps someone conspired.
ehsan ahmad
Oh, they're all in on that.
joe rogan
Do you think?
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, they're all in on that.
Don't be ridiculous.
What are you, a conspiracy theorist?
I used to say when FC died, I used to say the meeting was Trump, Obama, Oprah, and Big Bird were all in a room together.
Elmo were all in a room together.
They shook each other's hands and it's over.
joe rogan
Your problem is you let facts get in the way of your opinion.
Okay, I know it's true that...
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
And I know that the United States military was guarding the poppy fields, but you're a fool to think we profited off of that.
So shut your goddamn mouth.
ehsan ahmad
That's not true.
We would never do that.
joe rogan
And go blow an eagle.
ehsan ahmad
We would never flood the American market with drugs.
I mean, just look the other way with crack.
That's its own special thing.
unidentified
No way.
joe rogan
We fucking sold it.
ehsan ahmad
I know.
Oh, no.
We definitely did.
That was a Reagan-Clinton, back when we used to be more united.
Back when Democrats and Republicans worked more together.
joe rogan
I remember learning about that in the news, going, what?
What?
The government was selling crack in the hood?
ehsan ahmad
Right.
What?
joe rogan
To fund the Contras versus the Sandinistas?
What?
ehsan ahmad
All connected.
joe rogan
What?
When you find out the government sells crack, you're like, what?
Like the whole Barry Seals one.
That, you know, that story?
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, that's a Tom Cruise movie.
joe rogan
Yes.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yes.
Because Tom Cruise is one of the most handsome guys to ever live.
Barry Seals is disgusting looking.
It's really quite rude.
You know, it's hard for me to, like, as a, watching a biopic.
I want him to, you know, like when, what's his face, played Dick Cheney.
unidentified
Australian guy.
joe rogan
Awesome.
ehsan ahmad
Christian Bale.
joe rogan
Christian Bale.
Christian Bale played Dick Cheney.
He fucking looked like Dick Cheney, dog.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
He looked like him.
Gained a bunch of weight, did the whole deal, shaved his head.
ehsan ahmad
Well, he's like, good on that.
unidentified
Look at the difference between Barry Seals and then Tom Cruise.
joe rogan
Tom Cruise is fit and handsome, beautiful head of hair.
ehsan ahmad
Well, this is something that Derek and I have talked about.
It's like, in a lot of movies now, there's like no more regular looking people.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
It's all like, even TV shows, everyone is just all super duper attractive.
joe rogan
Bro, that ship is about to sail.
ehsan ahmad
Oh, it's over.
joe rogan
That ship's about to sail.
These new video engines, just with prompts.
Have you seen the one where people are arguing whether or not it's a prompt?
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bro, that's crazy.
That's crazy to watch.
Because that is like...
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
Like, hey, how much difference is this than you?
Is it different?
It's really different, right?
Oh, yeah, it's just a video, right?
Okay.
Here's the next version.
How much different is this than you?
It's like we're peeling the layers of an onion.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, and they're using the people doing it stand-up, talking about it.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Press this and do it from the beginning so we can hear it.
unidentified
Theory.
Like, really?
joe rogan
It's really crazy.
unidentified
Data, prompts.
ehsan ahmad
Like, seriously, dude.
unidentified
You're saying the only thing standing between me and a billion dollars is some random text?
Honestly, the biggest red flag is when the guy believes in the prompt theory.
Like, really?
We came from prompts?
Wake up, man.
You want to convince me that this perfect creation behind me is the result of ones and zeros?
A binary code and nothing more?
It makes no sense.
Imagine you're in the middle of a nice date with a handsome man and then he brings up the prompt theory.
Yuck.
We just can't have nice things.
We're not prompts!
We're not prompts!
Where is the prompt writer to save you from me?
Where is he?
You still believe we're made of prompts?
joe rogan
Hold on, stop.
Even the prompts have bad acting.
ehsan ahmad
That was terrible.
That was terrible.
They're new to acting.
Give it some time.
joe rogan
They gotta really develop their own Marlon Brando.
ehsan ahmad
For real.
It's coming.
joe rogan
We get it.
Pretty crazy.
ehsan ahmad
That sort of stuff.
joe rogan
What do you think, Jamie?
If you had a guess, what percentage of you believes that we're in the simulation?
Pull that mic down.
jamie vernon
Which simulation?
joe rogan
Is there a part...
Something inorganic about existence.
Something that seems not real.
jamie vernon
I just saw someone reposted the first time Alex Jones was on and he was talking about his theory of what we are.
And you're just laughing along the whole time?
joe rogan
Yeah, what did he say?
jamie vernon
His basic point was like, I'm going to blow your mind.
He's like, we are the aliens.
We are the aliens.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
And then the people have taken that farther and said that we – I don't know who would have been the creator then.
That's the kind of part that's left out of this.
The nine different types of aliens created us, and I don't know for what reason.
ehsan ahmad
We're just in a recursive program that's meant to create more programs.
joe rogan
Well, if you think about what we're doing right now currently, what we just talked about with these AIs talking to each other in Sanskrit, if that is the baby god, that's the baby god.
So we're watching baby god in the cradle.
We're watching Jesus in the manger or whatever.
It's about to pop out.
It's about to get wild.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, things are about to get real crazy.
It's about to get wild.
joe rogan
It's about to Dr. Manhattan us and be a blue guy with a giant dick floating around.
ehsan ahmad
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Remember Dr. Manhattan?
ehsan ahmad
I remember Dr. Manhattan.
joe rogan
Here's another movie you can't make today.
You can't show dicks like that anymore.
ehsan ahmad
Oh really not?
See, I disagree.
jamie vernon
Tom did.
ehsan ahmad
They do.
joe rogan
Tom did, yeah.
ehsan ahmad
You can see, there was a shift, and right around then, where dicks became way more okay, and then you started seeing way more dicks than tits, which I'm not a big fan of.
joe rogan
You know where you see the most dicks?
righteous gemstones.
It's so uncomfortable.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, it became like a trend to show dicks on TV.
Like, I don't know, something brought it around.
joe rogan
Well, because they won't do it in the movies anymore.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So these people get buck wild.
They did in Nosferatu.
You saw the vampire dick.
A vampire dick.
Big ol' vampire dick.
ehsan ahmad
Any tits in Nosferatu?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
ehsan ahmad
Okay, good.
joe rogan
But it's Johnny Depp's daughter's tits, so you're conflicted.
You're like, aw.
I remember her when she was little.
It's Lily Depp.
ehsan ahmad
I forgot.
joe rogan
She's beautiful, but, you know, it's like, come on.
I remember when she was little.
If I know you when you're little, I never want to see your tits.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, that makes sense.
I grew up with you.
That's kind of crazy.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
There's Tom.
Yeah, I know about that one.
But what is the Nosferatu one?
See if you can find Nosferatu's dick.
unidentified
I'm gonna fuck up your Google algorithm.
joe rogan
It's gonna be personalized for you, Jamie.
I hear you're into vampire dicks.
ehsan ahmad
I did.
I do.
I do think because I brought up the streaming earlier.
I do think that's going to be like a majority of how people.
But one, you can tell it's real, but also so I was I just got into it because we had And then I just started getting videos of Sketch.
And there was one where he was just calling.
There's another streamer called Cina.
Just calling her fat.
And it was really funny.
Just for like two hours straight.
And I got really into it.
And I was looking.
And these two guys that are huge right now.
Kai Sanat and Speed.
Have you heard of them?
joe rogan
I've heard of Speed.
What is it?
ehsan ahmad
Eyeshow Speed.
joe rogan
Eyeshow Speed.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
He went to China.
joe rogan
He goes and fights people.
I've seen him like he sparred a bunch of people.
ehsan ahmad
He does like athletic stuff.
That's like part of it.
But like he went to China and they were following around like he was Jesus.
It was crazy to watch.
Kai Sanat.
And I saved this on my phone because it blew my mind.
He did this thing recently.
Called Streamer University.
jamie vernon
It's still live.
ehsan ahmad
Oh, it's still live?
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's like an active thing.
ehsan ahmad
Oh, I thought it was only three days.
So for three days, I saved it on my phone because I showed it to Derek and it was mind-blowing how much.
So in three days, he had 23 million hours watched.
2,700 years of content streamed on Twitch in the span of a weekend.
joe rogan
Or what are the age brackets?
ehsan ahmad
I would say definitely younger, but it's definitely gotten to me.
Where, like, now I'll watch, like, there's certain streamers, there's this one streamer named Disguised Toast, he's really good at puzzles, and he's good at, like, explaining the puzzle while he does it.
And I'll, like, watch.
He, like, goes around to escape rooms and, like, he'll, like, solve puzzles.
Yeah, it's really fantastic.
I found him in the pandemic.
He played this social deduction game called Among Us.
And he was just really good at giving the play-by-play of, like, his logical reasoning.
And it made me be like, oh, what is this?
And then now looking at the streamer university numbers, it's like, oh, this is crazy.
That's what I mean in, like, in, like, a few years, like, if you're a presidential candidate, you have to go on these streamer things.
I mean, they tried it.
They tried it a little bit with AOC and...
Weren't they streaming Madden?
Wasn't that the whole thing?
When AOC and Tim Walz were streaming Madden when they talked about Tony?
Yes.
joe rogan
They were streaming Madden?
Is that what they were doing?
ehsan ahmad
They were playing Madden on Twitch.
joe rogan
And that's when they found out about Tony?
ehsan ahmad
Yes.
unidentified
That's hilarious.
ehsan ahmad
That's that video of just like the speaker.
That's wild.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Tim Walz pretended he plays football.
It's hilarious.
ehsan ahmad
Oh, well, him saying she ran a pick six.
It's like the football fan version of the Inglourious Bastards scenes where you do the three and three.
It's like, if you were a football fan, you wouldn't say that.
If you coach football.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, he said he was a head coach, and he wasn't a head coach.
That's a big old lie.
You shouldn't be able to lie.
And how people want to trust you.
Your whole business is people trusting you.
You could have said assistant coach.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
And that's good enough.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
Right, yeah.
joe rogan
So, if you lied about that, you're probably a liar.
You're probably one of them dudes who lies all the time.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, which is like...
The kind of people that want to be governor.
You know, they just want that job.
ehsan ahmad
They're constantly lying.
joe rogan
Yeah, and what do I have to say?
What's the right thing to say to get people to like me?
Nuts, man.
ehsan ahmad
But yeah, to me, that's like, that's the next.
Because both those guys, Speed, Kaisenat, Speed's 20, Kaisenat's 23. It's like, that's how the next generation is like consuming media.
joe rogan
How about this?
GTA 6 is about to come out, right?
Imagine.
If a candidate made a deal with GTA 6 where you could have them ride along with you.
Like Trump can ride along with you while you rob people, shoot people.
You could do it with Trump.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then all of a sudden people want to vote for Trump because he's my favorite homie in GTA 6. Oh, easily.
ehsan ahmad
Or like the, yeah.
Right?
joe rogan
Or like the candidate is in the game helping you out.
You know, like you're playing Half-Life and Kamala Harris is helping you get around the lab.
ehsan ahmad
I mean, I think it has to be a little less in your face for it to work.
joe rogan
I don't know, dude.
ehsan ahmad
I think so.
I don't know, dude.
joe rogan
If you love playing with the Kamala Harris character on Half-Life, if you have partners, you could have an AI partner and it literally is Kamala Harris and she runs around in Half-Life with you shooting at aliens and shit.
ehsan ahmad
Oh, damn.
joe rogan
Right?
And then you really get into, like, you got a good coordinated partnership with Kamala Harris when you play Half-Life.
unidentified
Yeah, that's actually...
joe rogan
She's really funny.
She helps you.
She gets you clues into how to get out of places.
ehsan ahmad
Damn.
Yeah, that got way darker than I thought.
Of course it's possible.
Oh, my AI Trump helper.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
And he helps me finish the missions.
Yeah, or, like, do a patch online.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
The way they can reach you is like Yeah.
Because right now all the streaming stuff seems like it's like almost, not Wild West-y, but it's still kind of new.
The second politics figures out a way to really get their hands in it.
joe rogan
The real goal, the real gateway to hell is neural interfaces.
That's the real gateway.
ehsan ahmad
So where you're like just, you can immediately just be in the world.
joe rogan
The real Matrix.
Like that, it's 100% on the...
It's coming.
It's just a matter of time.
And when you can't tell at all, whether or not you really have an inexperience, that's when you're in a simulation.
And that might have already happened.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
joe rogan
That might be what we're dealing with right now.
ehsan ahmad
That we're just a simulation creating its next simulation?
Its next iteration?
joe rogan
Maybe why it's so wacky.
Why it feels so fake.
ehsan ahmad
It's so weird, you know?
Yeah, it is wild.
Just like it's the world we live in where comedians are like...
joe rogan
It shouldn't make any sense.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, where it's like comedians are selling out arenas regularly.
joe rogan
Regularly.
unidentified
Regularly.
joe rogan
All of our friends.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
They're just arena acts all of a sudden.
joe rogan
Yeah, instantly.
ehsan ahmad
Well, I think part of that has to do with as things get more fake, people will try to strive for things they know is real.
joe rogan
100%.
ehsan ahmad
And so what I know is real is this guy talking to me in person right now.
joe rogan
Yes.
Also, because of the restrictive nature of all, whatever you see on television, any regular television show.
ehsan ahmad
Not even television.
Like, the censorship on social media sometimes is like, like, I did this sketch with one of our, the door guys at Mothership, Christina Mariani, killing it, and in this sketch, we have her tell me to kill myself.
That's part of the, that's the sort of, and you can't, in the captions, They took it down because we spelled out the word kill, which you can't do, and you can't say the words kill yourself.
And it's just a small little sketch, and already there's so much holding you back from having a true expression sometimes that people will go to seek it out live.
That's what I think.
joe rogan
There's definitely some part of that.
Yeah, for sure.
I think people are definitely aware that there's a bunch of stuff you can't talk about.
In social media that you want to talk about on stage that are funny.
ehsan ahmad
Well, and it's also so funny to me where it's like social media, there's this big like, oh, mental health is important, but like you can't type, you have to write unalive yourself in the caption.
It's like, so we can't have serious discussions about these topics really.
joe rogan
Right.
ehsan ahmad
Like there's certain, if certain words are off limits, then there's no way you can have an actual serious discussion where those words are involved.
joe rogan
Right.
100%.
Because then they just expand the definition of offense.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
And then now this is expensive.
joe rogan
Now this is a new version.
We have an updated list of words you can't say.
ehsan ahmad
And we were talking about all these bots earlier, so we don't want these words to offend people, but we're not even talking to people.
This is all going out to computer programs.
It's computer programs watching other computer programs being offended.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
But offending people should be the least of your concern when you're allowing open manipulation by a university.
And also, this is just the one we know about.
We didn't know about that until they told us.
ehsan ahmad
Right, and they didn't have to tell us.
joe rogan
No.
ehsan ahmad
They just decided to.
I guess in a way of, like, warning, like, hey, this is probably happening in a bunch of ways.
joe rogan
I'm glad they did.
They shouldn't have done it in the first place, but I'm, well, look, it's being done.
ehsan ahmad
It's being done.
joe rogan
And it's not like they came up with the idea they're the only ones doing it.
I guarantee you it's being done.
There's probably a bunch of people that have AI friends online that they communicate with on Twitter and, you know, hey, good to hear from you.
How's things?
They do DMs back and forth with each other.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
Talking about stuff they're into.
How many of those UAP guys are just talking to bots?
All those dudes are in the UAP group, like, where there's a bunch of people all, like, "Disclosure's imminent!" And they're all, like, fucking DMing each other.
Probably DMing bots.
ehsan ahmad
Right, and they're just getting fed what they want to hear.
joe rogan
Just getting fed bullshit AI videos and all kinds of, like, weird disclosure stuff.
Half of it's fake.
Half of it the government is actually leaking purposely to try to hide some weapons program they have.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Who knows?
unidentified
Right.
Who knows?
joe rogan
The UFO world is like one of the slipperiest worlds.
When you're talking to people, there's full-on grifters.
There's full-on people that have the answers to everything, and they're always wrong.
They're always off.
And then they have some good data that they pull from disclosure and from all these different people that have talked about different things.
But then they claim to be the experts in it.
There's a lot of weird people in that world.
ehsan ahmad
Well, it's easy to do that in that world, too, where a lot of it is like, does this even exist?
So you can just be like, well, I have proof.
joe rogan
If you don't have good ethics, if you're not like a legitimate journalist – but what's interesting is when legitimate journalists get interested, like Schellenberger, when Michael Schellenberger reports on UAPs.
I like how he does it because he does it the same way he reports on like corruption in government and waste and fraud.
Like he's just – No speculation.
No hyperbole, no exaggeration, no condemnation of – no like virtue signaling.
It's like this is what's going on.
This is what we know.
These programs exist, and this is what we know they've been trying to hide, and these are the people that have come forward, and this is why we think they're telling the truth.
Like, yo.
ehsan ahmad
Damn.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
It is wild that they told us that aliens exist, and we just sort of didn't care.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're like, whatever.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
Well, we got to see it now.
We got to see more.
Yeah, show us what you got.
joe rogan
You know what it's like?
It's like that guy that was telling us that he knows that Israel had a warning.
ehsan ahmad
That's exactly what I was going to say.
joe rogan
Don't tell me unless you can tell me.
ehsan ahmad
Show me.
joe rogan
Don't fucking tell me unless you can tell me.
Oh, we have crafts of non-human origin?
What?
Well, show me, bitch!
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, why can't they show us a picture of that?
Unless the one picture is Epstein sitting in the thing.
That's why it's all.
joe rogan
Epstein and Puffy making out in space.
Have you seen those ones?
The two of them making out in jail?
ehsan ahmad
No, that's so funny.
joe rogan
They made AI of the two of them kissing and making out in jail.
ehsan ahmad
Did they know each other?
joe rogan
Oh, who knows?
It's a good question.
ehsan ahmad
Was there a connection there?
Because there's this whole Mossad-Epstein connection.
Is there a Mossad-Diddy connection?
Did they know each other?
joe rogan
Was Diddy ever on the island?
ehsan ahmad
Was Diddy ever on the island?
joe rogan
If you're going to have a fly party, that's a dude to invite.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
Back in the day.
ehsan ahmad
Exactly.
joe rogan
Before everybody knew.
ehsan ahmad
I can't imagine their circles were completely separate.
joe rogan
That's a good point.
Yeah.
Well, we know that he was hobnobbing with...
You know that Diddy was hobnobbing with Biden, or excuse me, with Obama, right?
There's a video of the two of them together talking, remember?
ehsan ahmad
But there's a video with, like, I feel like every current, every president from Clinton on has a picture with either, has, like, a lot of pictures with Epstein or a lot of pictures with Diddy.
joe rogan
Right.
But then the thing is, it's like, did they know?
Or was it just, there's a lot of photographs of famous people with these people.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
Because that's like a way to get an endorsement.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
You know, like, look, The Rock likes me.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
I must be awesome.
ehsan ahmad
And a lot of what I heard about how the Epstein thing worked is that, oh, you'd be at a party and then all of a sudden some of that, the shady shit would go down Of course, right?
joe rogan
In that way, people that were more conservative, they could kind of shield them from knowing about it, but implicate them.
ehsan ahmad
That's all that matters.
It's like,'cause if you're at a party where someone Assaults an underage girl.
joe rogan
Right.
ehsan ahmad
And that's on video and now you're at the party.
It doesn't matter.
You have to explain that.
joe rogan
But especially if you're, like, a scientist and they flew you to the island and there's a bunch of other scientists there.
You're like, oh, we're just gonna, you know, he donates a lot to science and this is a wonderful opportunity to get together with my colleagues and have a few cocktails and just, you know, we're going over string theory.
Meanwhile, there's people in the background doing ecstasy and it gets a little freaky.
Maybe you go to bed.
Maybe you go to bed.
Or maybe someone knocks on your door in the middle of the night.
ehsan ahmad
We have someone who will massage you.
joe rogan
Maybe they fucking drug your drink.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, no questions asked.
joe rogan
Who knows?
You were over there for a few days.
ehsan ahmad
Why would you think that?
Why would you possibly think that?
joe rogan
Sounds like a great thing.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you don't know any better.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, and, like, he wants to fly you out privately to an island to meet a billionaire, and you're like, whoa, I've never done that.
Private?
joe rogan
This is going to be incredible.
But once that guy gets arrested for getting jerked off by kids, Oh, no.
And then you still hang out with him.
ehsan ahmad
Right, right.
joe rogan
Which a lot of them did.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
That's where it gets weird.
Like, did you hang out with him because he made you?
Because he said, hey, you're not going nowhere.
You know what I'm saying?
Right.
Like, if you're intelligent, you'd probably distance yourself from him at that point in time.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
You'd be like, well, I have to separate.
If you've got a clean slate, you're like, well, I can't have anything to do with him publicly.
I am the CEO of Microsoft.
ehsan ahmad
Damn.
joe rogan
But yet you're still hanging out with him?
ehsan ahmad
Right.
Because now he has it over you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The Bill Gates one was great because he was donating to Global Health.
Do you need money?
Do you need money?
What about your money?
You have so much money.
You have hundreds of billions of dollars.
You need this guy who's got one billion to help?
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
Why don't you take one of them one billion that you have and throw it in there?
If you really care.
unidentified
Seems weird.
joe rogan
All of it seems weird.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, it's all like, but it's all like, these sort of like, sex scandal rings of just, I think that's like a function of high politics.
unidentified
Bro, it's a function of a bunch of people getting together and getting drunk.
ehsan ahmad
A bunch of freaks.
joe rogan
And then they're doing coke, and they're on an island.
Let's go!
And you think, you know, you think you're partying on a yacht somewhere, but meanwhile you're just in a real live reality show that only a few people get to watch.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
But wasn't there like, even pre-Epstein, wasn't there like that Franklin scandal?
joe rogan
100%.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, where it's like, I think that's just a function of like, it's a way to control.
joe rogan
Dude, there was the lady that was the madam that got assassinated in D.C. Oh, I didn't, and the madam got assassinated?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
She's a famous D.C. madam.
I think they said it was a suicide.
And she was like, if I kill myself, I definitely did not kill myself.
One of them deals.
ehsan ahmad
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Conveniently died.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, didn't one of the Epstein witnesses just kill herself?
joe rogan
Oh, yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Things happen.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
You know where they recruited her?
unidentified
Where?
ehsan ahmad
She got recruited at Mar-a-Lago.
She was a locker room attendant at Mar-a-Lago when she got recruited.
I'm pretty sure.
Can we look that up?
I think Virginia Guthrie.
I do want to say that's a crazy thing to say where I'm like, I think I'm right about that.
Yeah, be careful about that one.
joe rogan
All of it is so spooky, dude, because you know that that's not the only one.
There's probably one that's going on right now in China.
There's one going on in Russia.
It's just a thing that's happening all over the world.
ehsan ahmad
When you have like a China or Russia where it's like basically an emperor, they can just run it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
That's a whole different thing.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
They don't need to blackmail people.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
They don't need some American financier.
Yeah.
At Mar-a-Lago.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
She was a spot in Donald Trump's private Mar-a-Lago club.
ehsan ahmad
Ghislaine Maxwell.
joe rogan
How can you not believe in conspiracies?
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, yeah.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Macron's married to a man.
A man who bitch slapped him in a private jet.
ehsan ahmad
Oh, my God.
Really?
Dude, his whole life he's been abused by that guy.
joe rogan
Just facepalmed in his face.
I want to know.
unidentified
I mean, take a fucking test.
joe rogan
It's not hard.
If I was her, I would say, listen, you motherfuckers.
Okay?
Let's take a chromosome test.
I am not a man.
I'm just a pedophile.
ehsan ahmad
I'm just a pedophile.
Yeah, yeah.
What accusation thing hurts her the most?
The man or the pedophile?
Well, the pedophile's not an accusation.
That's just, you are that.
joe rogan
That is fact.
ehsan ahmad
That is exactly who you are.
joe rogan
But what was the law back then?
Because someplace it had some wacky ass fucking...
ehsan ahmad
I think that's probably why they say 16, because I think in Europe 16 is like...
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
ehsan ahmad
Because when I read this online, it said 16. Kurt Metzger says 14. Because Metzger says 14. They're moving it.
joe rogan
They're moving them goalposts as we speak.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
But I think it's probably like 16 in that area.
But either way, if you're a kid's teacher and you're sitting – That's crazy.
That's crazy he got to a prime minister with that level of just mindfuckery that's happening to him.
joe rogan
Imagine if the roles were reversed and the president was a female.
And then the husband was a teacher when the president was 15. When she was 15 and he was 40. Imagine.
ehsan ahmad
Crazy.
joe rogan
Imagine that was in the United States.
Imagine if it turned out that there's a female that's running for president and then we start going into the history and find out that she met her husband, who's 80, when she was 15. Yeah.
unidentified
You'd be like, fucking yo.
But by this, in 1974, it was legal!
joe rogan
Like, fuck you.
Fuck you, man.
That's crazy.
We would never, but because it's a guy and an older lady, lady, air quotes, lady, we let it slide.
Like, he still gets to go to the meetings and shake everybody's hand.
You know, he still gets to go to these fucking things where all the world leaders get together.
He's hanging out with them.
ehsan ahmad
Like normal.
What's also funny to me is you're probably going to get more heat for calling her a man than she will for slapping the Prime Minister.
joe rogan
No, she's catching heat.
I think, and also Candace, I think, Candace, if she's right, and it seems like they're not suing her, so I think she might be right.
And they did offer her money.
How much money do they offer her?
Find out that.
How much money do they offer Candace Owens to not?
Tell these stories.
ehsan ahmad
Damn!
joe rogan
They offered her, they were like, Jesus!
Yeah.
Which is the last person you want to tell anybody that you offered them money to not talk about something.
Because she ain't taking that money.
Yeah, she sees the long game.
ehsan ahmad
She's already willing to...
joe rogan
Oh, damn it.
France offered to Big Candace Owens a one-time payment of $4 million plus $50k per month for the rest of her life.
And that's just a meme?
ehsan ahmad
What's the site?
joe rogan
Neither Owens nor French President Emmanuel Macron have referenced the claim on their respective websites or verified social media accounts and there is no other evidence to support the claim.
ehsan ahmad
Can we see what the name of the account is?
Legitimate targets!
There's nothing I trust less than I play a thing called Legitimate Targets with a blue check mark.
joe rogan
That's why we had to look that one up.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because you don't know.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But again, this is like more...
ehsan ahmad
Oh, for sure.
joe rogan
Bot-like targeting, disinformation campaigns.
ehsan ahmad
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
You know, throwing fuel on the fire.
ehsan ahmad
Of just getting you to believe, like, oh, wow, okay, they paid money.
joe rogan
Like, think about how many, once, okay, you make that post.
ehsan ahmad
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
How many people, like me, read that, think it's true, ask Jamie to look it up, it starts spreading.
People start following your account.
How many new people do you get?
How much engagement do you get?
All that's valuable.
You can keep doing that a lot and outrage people a lot.
There's a bunch of those that come up.
You're like, fuck, is this true?
And then you have to copy and paste it and put it in Google and search a little.
I don't think this is true.
ehsan ahmad
And now all someone has to do is take the snippet of you saying it before you, like, let's look that up.
joe rogan
100%.
ehsan ahmad
And then now it's like...
But also, if you're a woman, you're not going to be like, well, fuck you.
I'm not going to prove to you I'm a woman.
joe rogan
I would do it.
ehsan ahmad
But you say that as a man.
joe rogan
That's true.
ehsan ahmad
Like, I could totally do it.
If I was a woman and they were accusing me of being a man, I'd also kind of probably be like, a little, a large part of me would be like, fuck you, I'm not going to prove anything to you.
joe rogan
You ever see her sit down?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
You ever see her sit down?
ehsan ahmad
I haven't seen her sit down.
joe rogan
She sits down like a dude.
You know how dudes sit down?
Legs spread.
Just plop down.
All dick out.
ehsan ahmad
A lot of weight.
joe rogan
Because of the shape of our hips.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
When people talk about man spreading, yes, guys definitely do that.
But women's legs go inward.
Men's hips, the way the angle is, is different.
They go outward.
Watch this person sit down.
There's a video.
See that video?
With the white shirt on, the second one?
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
Let's see.
joe rogan
Watch this.
This is it.
I've never seen a woman sit down like this.
Go full screen.
ehsan ahmad
Is this when she was a teacher?
joe rogan
Watch this.
Watch how she sits down.
Bro.
ehsan ahmad
That is a very middle-aged man, the way she sits.
joe rogan
Bro.
Bro.
Watch this again.
Watch this person sit down.
That's how a dude sits.
The way the legs are spread apart.
It's like a dude's hips.
jamie vernon
What about all the rest of these, though?
What about all the rest of these examples?
joe rogan
Oh, well, that's how liberal men sit.
That's what they do.
They throw their leg over.
That's what guys with very small legs.
ehsan ahmad
That's so funny.
joe rogan
But Ari sits like that, actually, because he's got them weird long legs.
But, like, you can sit like that.
It's the way you sit down.
ehsan ahmad
It's the initial get down.
It's the plop.
joe rogan
It's the plop and then the legs spread.
Women don't sit like that.
When was the last time you saw a woman sit, plop down with her legs spread like that?
They don't sit like that.
ehsan ahmad
They don't.
joe rogan
They just sit down.
Their legs normally naturally angle inward more.
And they sit like this.
And they sit with their legs together.
You might have a similar pose, but you don't plop like that.
Like, that's a dude pose.
ehsan ahmad
That is.
That is.
Or maybe that's how pedophile women sit.
Yeah.
Right?
There's also that.
joe rogan
Let's find one of those and see how they sit.
Any examples?
The story's very odd, but it's also You're watching that person smack Macron right in the head and then walk down the stairs with him like, what?
ehsan ahmad
What could they have possibly been talking about?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Your dick is showing.
ehsan ahmad
Shut the fuck up.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a bulge.
ehsan ahmad
If he was a man, they would fight.
There would be a square up.
joe rogan
Maybe they will when they get back home.
Maybe that's the fun part.
Maybe they're like, fucking fuck you, fuck you, and then they get alone.
Get after it.
ehsan ahmad
God damn.
That whole relationship is really wild.
That has to be one of the more wild politician relationships.
joe rogan
Wild.
ehsan ahmad
Out there.
joe rogan
If that was the head, the lead of a sitcom, you'd be like, what the fuck?
What is going on?
But the fact that it's the president of France.
unidentified
What?
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, getting slapped.
There's no way you don't go.
Well, he's not going.
He can't win re-election anymore.
But that would have hurt his campaign so hard.
joe rogan
Bro, he's fixing a bomb.
somebody to cover this up.
He's gonna fuck up.
They might arm some rebels.
unidentified
Yeah, it's time to fuck up Algeria some more, whatever France does.
joe rogan
Now you're talking.
You know, like remember when Clinton, when the Monica Lewinsky scandal came?
ehsan ahmad
Oh, then they bombed Kosovo?
joe rogan
What the fuck, man?
It's so on the nose.
They do shit like, oh my god, you guys aren't even trying.
You're not even trying to be slick.
unidentified
No, no.
ehsan ahmad
Get the attention off of me.
joe rogan
Crazy.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
Oh, man.
The part of it, when Columbine happened, he must have been like, thank god to get this off of me.
joe rogan
Oh, you remember Gary Condit?
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, well, he murdered that lady, right?
joe rogan
Allegedly.
ehsan ahmad
Allegedly.
joe rogan
Okay, 9-11 happened.
ehsan ahmad
And he forgot about it.
joe rogan
Everybody's like, listen.
We got bigger fish to fry.
ehsan ahmad
Save a few of those.
joe rogan
I wonder how accurate House of Cards is.
I wonder.
I wonder how accurate it is.
ehsan ahmad
I mean, outside of him physically killing the people, which he does sometimes, I would probably say it's, like, probably super accurate.
joe rogan
Probably pretty accurate.
unidentified
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
It's a lot of dealings, a lot of like...
joe rogan
It's such a good show.
ehsan ahmad
Well, you know, Spacey is always a great villain.
He's always been a great villain.
He might be the best movie villain.
joe rogan
Oh, he was so good in that one, though.
Because he was so charming and layered.
But it was also similar to, like, Tony Soprano.
Like, you wanted him to succeed.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, you want to be like, oh, can he get to the president?
unidentified
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
Does he have what it takes?
joe rogan
Like, we were hoping he wins.
Right?
Like, when you're watching this show, you're like, God, I hope he's president.
ehsan ahmad
Right, yeah, exactly.
You were like, I was watching it to be like, oh, how does he do it?
joe rogan
Right.
ehsan ahmad
How does he do it?
Because he's kind of in the beginning, he's kind of sidelined, and it's like, oh, how does he get back in?
joe rogan
Remember he has that threesome?
It was like a security guard.
Is that what it was?
And his wife?
The three of them get down?
ehsan ahmad
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Get down, get down.
Yeah.
I wonder.
I wonder how much of that freak shit goes on behind closed doors.
Because I definitely think when you're a bottled up person like that, like you have to be any sort of like professional person, politician, publicly professional and ethical and you wear a suit and tie.
You can't wait to suck a dick.
You can't wait to get freaky.
ehsan ahmad
Didn't Madison Cawthorn sort of get thrown out of the Republican Party for kind of being like, hey, they have a lot of orgies and shit?
joe rogan
Really?
ehsan ahmad
I'm pretty sure.
What year was this?
When does Cawthorn get to 2016?
This is pretty quickly, because he was a rising star.
Really?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure he said something.
joe rogan
You're more in deep than me on politics.
You're in deep with this fella.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Orgies and drugs, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Whoa.
Ultra-conservative group chair says he also wants to speak with the North Carolina Republican about his salacious claims concerning his colleagues.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Okay.
ehsan ahmad
Let's see.
Perry, this is Cawthorn's claims.
What were his claims, though?
joe rogan
What does he say?
ehsan ahmad
Asked whether they'd reconsider Cawthorn's membership in the group.
joe rogan
Yeah, he basically said that- Didn't make clear that he has evidence of taking part in group sex and drug use?
Perry wouldn't say either way.
We will discuss that when we get to it.
Yeah, I think- When asked whether they would reconsider Cawthorn's membership in the group, if he didn't make clear whom he has evidence.
So, Cawthorn was saying someone has evidence.
That he has evidence of some people taking part of group sex.
Not him, right?
ehsan ahmad
No, I think Cawthorn was saying something to the effect of, to move up in this world or whatever, you have to take part in the drugs and the group sex.
And then them being like, well, show us the evidence.
And then Cothra being like, oh, I might have, I definitely...
Yes.
joe rogan
He was invited, he claims he was invited to an orgy in Washington.
I thought you were saying that he was wrapped up in it.
So this is what killed him that he was saying this about people and they killed his career?
ehsan ahmad
And they were like, the Freedom Caucus was like, uh-uh, no more.
joe rogan
Really?
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, because I remember his own rally took him out.
joe rogan
Go back to that, Jamie.
It says the sexual perversion that goes on in Washington, being kind of a young guy in Washington, where the average age is probably 60 or 70. Look at these people.
A lot of them I've looked up to through my life.
I always paid attention to politics, and all of a sudden you get invited.
We're going to have a sexual get-together at one of our homes.
You should come.
What you just asked me to come to, and then you realize they're asking you to come to an orgy.
Some of the people leading on the movement to try And remove addiction in our country, and then you watch them do a key bump of cocaine right in front of you.
And it's like, this is wild.
And then it says, uh, what?
This is CNN.com.
CNN says, uh, what?
What does it say after that?
Leave it back up.
It's not clear to me whether Cawthorn is suggesting that members of Congress have invited him to orgies or just other people in Washington, although after listening to his comments several times, it seems to be the former.
Ditto his allegations of seeing people in Washington doing cocaine.
Well, they sound like cocaine people.
ehsan ahmad
Clearly cocaine people.
joe rogan
If you want to be the president, you want to have all the power, and you want to have all the money, and you're deeply involved in corruption, that's cocaine people.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, I mean, no one's shocked.
He just said the quiet part out loud.
Because he was supposed to be the guy at one point.
I remember.
He was supposed to be the guy.
joe rogan
Have your husband ever made any investments based on decisions he-Oh, that's-*laughter* That was the first part of the problems he had.
jamie vernon
He had some other issues.
joe rogan
What was the other issues?
jamie vernon
He got arrested for, I think, bringing a gun to an airport a couple times.
Oh, Jesus.
Driving with revoked license.
ehsan ahmad
Oh, Jesus.
Sexual misconduct allegations when he was in college.
Isn't he in a wheelchair?
jamie vernon
I don't know exactly when the wheelchair happened, so it was either before or after.
ehsan ahmad
Because I was going to say.
Oh yeah, and then he took like goofy vacation photos where I think he like dressed like during this game on a cruise, he like dressed like a woman or something like that.
or something like that.
Yeah, but all of this popped up after his...
jamie vernon
I don't know if it's just the orgy comment that led to everyone.
ehsan ahmad
He also clearly looks like he's in a wheelchair here too.
joe rogan
He is in a wheelchair there.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's probably having a good time with the ladies.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
joe rogan
Getting a little crazy.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
But all that came up after he made those comments.
And it was very clear at the time like, oh, they're like saying, we're done with this guy.
We're going to throw him to the wolves.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And they probably, if you want to be that guy, they have to have some stuff on you.
Otherwise, how can they count on you to play this game?
ehsan ahmad
Right.
Right.
And they were like, oh, you think we don't have anything on you?
We'll just show you dressing like a woman and your constituents will dry up like that.
joe rogan
You sound like a conspiracy theorist.
unidentified
You sound like a conspiracy theorist.
joe rogan
So silly.
But boy, they did such a good job in the 60s, after the Kennedy assassination, of putting that word out there for fools and foolish people.
They did such a great job.
They really did.
ehsan ahmad
Well, also, they had a higher control of the media at the time, right?
So you can, if there's only three places where you can get your news, you can be like, well, anyone's outside of it.
It's kind of crazy.
Now you can get your news from anyone and be like, oh, okay, there's something to this.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
ehsan ahmad
There's something to this.
joe rogan
Do you remember those commercials that happened during, right after 9-11?
There was these anti-drug commercials where a guy was saying that if you smoke pot, you're supporting terrorism.
He's like, why do you say that?
Well, it's a fact.
He just says it like he's eating a salad, like a no-nonsense guy at a steakhouse eating a salad because it's a fact.
Like, this condescending way.
And you imagine yourself being confronted by such an accusation, like, oh my god, if I smoke pot, I'm supporting terrorism?
You ever see that video?
ehsan ahmad
No.
joe rogan
It was a public service announcement video.
It was a propaganda video that they put on television.
So while you're watching a television show, this is right after the height of everybody freaking out about terrorism.
So they use this as an anti-marijuana.
Drug money funds terrorism and terrorists.
Scroll back so you get that from the beginning.
unidentified
It's a ploy.
What?
This drug money funds terror, it's a ploy.
A ploy.
A manipulation.
Ploy.
joe rogan
Drug money funds terror.
unidentified
I mean, why should I believe that?
Because it's a fact.
A fact.
A F-A-C-T fact.
So you're saying that I should believe it because it's true.
That's your argument.
It is true.
joe rogan
Solid argument.
ehsan ahmad
I know, dude.
Also, what kind of dumbass is that guy to be like, oh, maybe he's right after you said nothing?
joe rogan
Well, that guy sounds like your average bro.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
It's like at a bar, you know?
This is what I heard.
I heard the government's hiding the aliens.
You know what I mean?
That's like the average guy.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And then he's a guy with glasses, who's eating his salads, not tolerating your bullshit because it's a fact.
F-A-C-T fact.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Oh, as long as you have all the data that you could show me.
Oh, no data?
ehsan ahmad
No.
joe rogan
You got no data?
ehsan ahmad
Just accept it.
joe rogan
Well, he's kind of right, because if you do buy heroin, you are supporting the Taliban, because we were guarding their poppy fields.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
LOL.
ehsan ahmad
I think when we talked about this earlier, I think the Taliban, as a way to get out of it, burned all their poppy fields.
Did they?
Yeah, I think that's why they're trying to get more tourists to come.
And there's a bunch of, like, bro travel, like, TikToks.
That are like, yeah, me and the bros are going to Afghanistan, and they're like chilling with the Taliban.
It's like these white guys from Britain.
joe rogan
Boy, you gotta be a bold person to take that.
That's an early adopter.
ehsan ahmad
But also, if you're from England, you're kind of already getting used to being around Muslim extremists.
So I think it's nice.
More of a lateral move.
I wish that something at least like I could be looking this I could be Wrong about this but like I wish that was something that was a little more vocal and like sort of and I'm not really that practicing or that religious, but the sort of that...
Like, I don't want that.
Like, that's not...
And it's just this very interesting thing of, like, how do we curb that in our community of being like, hey, we shouldn't accept this.
Like, we shouldn't, you know, I remember when the Charlie Hebdo attacks happened, a lot of people would be like, damn, that's what happens when you draw Muhammad or whatever.
It's like, that shouldn't be our reaction to this.
joe rogan
Right.
ehsan ahmad
It should be like, live and let live.
It's like, that's what I admire about the Christians here is that you can make fun of Jesus, no one's going to kill you.
Right.
Like, there's sort of like this sort of westernization that kind of needs to happen that doesn't look like it's happening over there in a way that's kind of happening here.
joe rogan
Look what's going on in Toronto, where Ontario made it legal to have polygamy.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's why.
It's like...
unidentified
Come on.
joe rogan
It's in the Quran.
ehsan ahmad
You know, it is.
It is.
Yeah, yeah.
You could have multiple.
You got to treat them all equally, which is what they totally do.
joe rogan
It's a great way to keep people recruited.
You know?
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, you know, imagine if the Christians said, listen, we're open to new ideas.
I think maybe the Mormons had a point.
Because the Mormons, that's how they got it.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
The whole reason why they went to Mexico was because the United States said no to polygamy.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
That's the whole thing about, what's his face from Massachusetts?
jamie vernon
Mitt Romney.
joe rogan
That's right.
Mitt Romney.
Mitt Romney's dad was actually born in Mexico.
ehsan ahmad
Really?
joe rogan
Their family came from...
Never seen that?
ehsan ahmad
No.
joe rogan
Dude, there was a shootout.
ehsan ahmad
Mormons versus the cartels?
joe rogan
Yes, man.
ehsan ahmad
Great movie title.
joe rogan
There was a big problem a few years back because a few people, I think a woman and a child and a couple other people got murdered by the cartels.
And it became like a giant issue.
So they set these compounds up in like...
So they just said, well, who cares back then?
There was no cars.
Mexico was just as good as living in America.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
Just, we'll go over there.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
But then, you know, America fucking blossomed.
Mexico kind of stayed, you know.
And now you're like, hey, you got a cartel problem now.
So they're armed.
ehsan ahmad
Are they still there?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
Damn.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's two, I think there's two large groups of Mormons that live in like these fenced off communities.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, it's kind of crazy.
joe rogan
They have compounds.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
Well, the Mormons, I think because they're young, too.
joe rogan
They have to weigh safety.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Extra pussy.
ehsan ahmad
The extra pussy's worth a lot.
I'll say this.
I remember the first time I went to Salt Lake City in 2019 and we were walking around and we were near the Mormon temple and the most beautiful women came up to us and be like, oh, why don't you?
And I was like, that's how they get you, dude.
Dude, Salt Lake City is like, it's just tens marrying twos.
And they're like, that's how you get the Mormon guys.
Oh, dude, I was willing to, in that split second, I was like, I'm willing to give up a lot right now.
I remember this beautiful woman from Colombia.
Like they went and they got converted on a mission trip and now they're here and like look at this exotic women that's available to you if you're a Mormon.
And you can marry one like tomorrow.
unidentified
Wow.
ehsan ahmad
You can marry one because they all get married young and quick because the whole point is to have babies.
So I've always told people Mormons know how to recruit.
They can get you.
They throw the pussy your way.
joe rogan
They're also the nicest people.
Like, you very rarely meet a mean Mormon.
ehsan ahmad
Well, it's like, you know, the Book of Mormon comes out, and what do they do?
Do they get mad?
Do they fucking kill people?
No, they stand outside and hand people pamphlets about Mormonism.
This whole play talking about how Mormonism is totally bullshit, they're like, we might be able to get somebody.
joe rogan
Yeah, they actually took out a full-page ad in the playbook.
ehsan ahmad
Right, exactly, exactly.
That's a great way to deal with criticism of your religion, I think.
From my perspective on Islam, it needs to handle that better.
It doesn't handle that well at all.
I mean, I think Salman Rushdie was stabbed by a guy who was born and raised in New Jersey.
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
He should be safe here.
joe rogan
Right.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
And also, I'm mad at the fatwa because it made me read that terrible book.
joe rogan
Was it a bad book?
ehsan ahmad
It wasn't that good.
I would have not have read it if there wasn't anything around it.
joe rogan
Probably sold a lot more copies because of that.
Probably made that dude rich as fuck.
ehsan ahmad
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Crazy.
ehsan ahmad
It's like one of those, it's like I get it if you like artsy, like, you know, it's like a novel for writers almost.
That's how I felt reading it.
joe rogan
Oh, interesting.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
ehsan ahmad
It's like, I didn't like it, but I only read it because of everything around it.
joe rogan
Did you see American Primeval?
ehsan ahmad
No.
joe rogan
It's great, but it talks about Brigham Young and the Mormons establishing themselves in Utah.
And gangster shit.
Like, murderers.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, you don't realize, like, what a gangster Brigham Young was.
You're like, holy shit, is this all accurate?
And it's accurate.
Peter Berg made it.
It's really good.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
Imagine leading a people against the American government and setting up your own place.
You have to be a bad motherfucker to do that.
joe rogan
And then the wildest ones went to Mexico.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fuck it.
We're gonna flee the whole country.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, the Mormons really, really like...
joe rogan
But it's what we were talking about earlier.
It's like human beings have a bunch of different ways where they can adapt to whatever the group is doing.
There's a bunch of where We're easily influenced.
We adjust to whatever the environment is.
We adapt.
And then if you're a Mormon woman, you're like, I guess I'm sharing this motherfucker with eight other ladies.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
It's what you do.
You're out there washing sheets and shit.
ehsan ahmad
You can probably convince yourself you're happy about it.
You're probably not like that.
You're probably like, and we're doing this for God.
This is what God wants.
joe rogan
I remember.
ehsan ahmad
We all got our own planet.
joe rogan
We were in a rest stop once.
Ari and I were on a road doing stand-up, and we pulled into this place to get gas, and we were walking around this rest stop, one of them little supermarket things, and these ladies came in.
I think they were men and knights.
And Ari was like, uh, what group are you in?
What do you guys do?
What's this all about?
And they, like, did not know how to talk to him.
They look so awkward.
ehsan ahmad
Oh, yeah, because they're only allowed to talk to the one man in their life.
joe rogan
Yeah, pretty sure he was stoned.
Yeah, he definitely was stoned.
But it was really funny.
Ari was like, well, what do you guys do?
What's going on here?
But I was like, wow, these people are living.
I mean, we're dealing with, like, you know, 2,000.
five or some shit like that.
You're dealing with these people that are It's another time period.
They look like colonists.
Like, they have, like, old-timey 1800s clothes on.
You ever see, like, how Mennonites dress?
ehsan ahmad
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Weird.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
We're at a gas station, you know, in front of the fucking Popeye's chicken.
unidentified
And we're like, this is so weird.
joe rogan
And there's a group of them out there.
It's like some fucking shack, some house, some compound.
I think we were in Massachusetts when this happened.
Or maybe New Hampshire.
ehsan ahmad
Isn't the Mennonite population where the measles are in Texas?
I think it's the Mennonites.
joe rogan
Is that it?
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
That's like the overwhelming majority of the people.
Because they run with the measles as rampant in Texas.
So they were running with that for a while.
Basically in this one community, from what I remember.
joe rogan
Interesting.
It's just weird when they can get people to dress up, you know?
You know, like Wild Wild Country, when everybody's wearing the robes.
ehsan ahmad
But that's how you know who's bought in, right?
So it's like, okay, these are the people that I can control.
joe rogan
Yeah, put that rainbow t-shirt on.
You're in a group.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
joe rogan
Hang your flag!
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, yeah, you got a show.
Put the pronouns in the bio.
joe rogan
Where's your Black Lives Matter sign?
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
It's like finding your community is so huge.
Huge.
I think a big issue is when you find it online because then it becomes this weird parasocial.
But yeah, and it's like you got to find your group.
I mean, that's why the good part about religion that I really like is if it's done right, it's like a loving community.
unidentified
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
Like, you know what I mean?
Like, it's people, it's a support system.
joe rogan
Everybody goes there with the same purpose.
This Rebecca LaMove lady that I told you was the expert in mind control, one of the things she talked about, the dangers of eco-chambers.
You get in these eco-chambers online, and everybody says the same thing, thinks the same thing, and then all of a sudden you're locked into this way of thinking.
It's online, really dangerous, where people just sort of have everyone sort of reinforcing all these ideas.
You never get any outside information.
Right.
Only exists in this echo chamber.
ehsan ahmad
And then that's how you become, all six become your personality.
joe rogan
Yep.
Your whole life.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
And it's such a crazy thing.
It's so new.
Because I wasn't aware in 1996, but I will very confidently say people weren't like, you either like Bob Dole or you get the fuck out of my house.
joe rogan
No, it was no big deal.
When I was a kid, when, you know...
Nobody gave a fuck who you supported.
They didn't care.
Maybe they thought you were an idiot because you're going to vote for that guy.
Oh, that guy's a moron.
You're crazy.
But there was no, like, we couldn't talk at the dinner table.
We couldn't, you know, it became everything.
Every part of your identity to fight against this.
unidentified
We are fighting against fascism by using fascism.
We're going to stop the election.
joe rogan
We're going to remove people from social media.
We're going to shut down these voices.
ehsan ahmad
And then we'll give you the candidate to vote for.
joe rogan
Yes.
To preserve democracy.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
But it is like, because it's so annoying, like especially, you know, I'm an Austin comic now and people will be like, oh, so you do comedy, so you must be like an alt- Right-wing comic.
No, I just do comedy.
There's a lot of stage time in the city, and that's sort of the whole point of the whole exercise, is to get up on stage.
joe rogan
Bro, how many times do we duke it out with Ron White in the green room over politics?
In the most friendly, hilarious way.
Tony and I are roasting them.
ehsan ahmad
Well, you know what's funny is that ironically people online, for whatever reason...
joe rogan
Well, because conservatives love him.
ehsan ahmad
I know.
And it's so funny to me every time.
Every time.
You're like, wow, y 'all really think Ron Rice is like deep red conservative.
That's crazy.
joe rogan
It's so funny because you get to know him.
He's the most liberal amongst us.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, he's the most liberal guy in the Green Room.
joe rogan
He's first and then Brian Simpson's two.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
joe rogan
But Brian Simpson, it makes sense to me because, you know, used a lot of social services, you know, had like a rough stretch as a child.
That's me too.
That's like not as bad as him, but the same kind of reasoning for like social safety nets are important.
They keep people fed, you know?
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like that's super important, man.
ehsan ahmad
You know, people get people access to medicine.
That's very important.
joe rogan
Sometimes people are poor and sometimes people get sick when they're poor.
And the fact that shit could bankrupt you for your whole life.
If you break a leg, you're bankrupt for your whole life.
ehsan ahmad
That could bankrupt you if you're middle class.
Fuck poor.
joe rogan
Yes, yes.
ehsan ahmad
The price of medicine in this country is absolute insanity.
joe rogan
Right.
Yeah.
And the fact that people don't agree on that.
Or the fucking education thing that we bring up ad nauseum.
The fact that that's the only loans you can never get out of with bankruptcy.
That's crazy.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
And you get them when you're 18?
Are you out of your fucking mind?
Predatory.
ehsan ahmad
Super predatory.
joe rogan
Super predatory.
ehsan ahmad
Super predatory, yeah.
joe rogan
Take a kid and give him a credit card with a 39% interest rate.
ehsan ahmad
And then you told him if you go to college, it's going to be better for you on the other end.
And it's like, that's not true at all.
joe rogan
No, not true at all.
Yeah, especially if you got a degree in something that doesn't I remember when I first started becoming successful as a comedian where I was actually making a living as a comedian and I had friends that did the whole college thing and got jobs and they were fucking miserable because we're both in our 20s and they were out there in the workforce just fucking tired all the time and they were upset.
They're upset that I didn't do that, and yet I'm making money, I'm traveling around, I'm having a good time, hanging out with my friends, I've got no one telling me what to do, write my own material, book my own flights, no boss.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you could see, like, fuck!
You're supposed to be a loser!
I did the right thing!
ehsan ahmad
Dude, have you ever seen the Jim Carrey commencement speech?
Or like graduation speech he gave at a college?
joe rogan
No.
ehsan ahmad
Dude, I saw this.
So I started comedy my third year of college.
So my fourth year, I'm like weighing out what do I want to do with my life?
Do I want to go into higher education, grad school, med school, whatever?
Or do I want to do this thing that I think I love?
And my friend showed me the speech because he knew I was going through this.
And he was like, listen to this.
And it's Jim Carrey talking about how you can fail at what's safe.
joe rogan
That's true too.
ehsan ahmad
Like the route you're supposed to take doesn't mean it's going to lead to success.
So if you're going to fail anyway, might as well just fail at what you want to do because at least you will have done that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
Because if you fail at the Safeway, then you will always be like, fuck, I had this other thing I could have done.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
And where could that have led me?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
And now, you know.
joe rogan
So true.
But, however.
The problem with that is you've met open micers that are out of their fucking mind.
And it's not going to happen.
No one wants to listen to you say anything, ever.
Shut the fuck up.
unidentified
I saw that Jim Carrey speech and I knew I just had to stay on the path.
You got any advice for me, Ahsan?
ehsan ahmad
That's the Mitzi quote that's a sin to encourage mediocre talent.
You can't be like, no, keep going.
You got the nicest way to be like, hey, there's other stuff.
joe rogan
Well, that's the weird one when people like that, they want to ask advice.
What do you think I should do?
Like, what?
What I really think you should do?
Or what do you want me to say?
What do you want me to say?
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm going to give you the secret word.
unidentified
Abracadabra.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, this is how you have talent.
unidentified
Abracadabra.
ehsan ahmad
This is how you make it.
This is how you write a joke.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is what you gotta do.
I'll hold your hand.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know what really happens with some guys?
You get a hot girlfriend that is a comic, and then you're a really good comic, and she's terrible, and so you start writing her act.
I've seen that happen a few times.
Whenever it happens the other way, you get a really good female comic and she starts dating some guy who sucks, she goes, "Listen, if you're gonna date me, let me help you with your fucking material." I don't know if female comics date down like that very often.
They usually don't, right?
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, they usually don't.
joe rogan
What is that called?
Pergamy.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, because if you're a great female comic, like the level of guy that's available to Yeah, yeah, it's like, "What are you doing with an open-miker?" Right, right.
joe rogan
But if you're like a headliner who does theaters, you could totally have an open-miker as a girlfriend.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
Yeah, and that's totally like, that's Yeah, that's totally cool.
Yeah, but if like...
It's like if Ali Wong or whatever started dating an open mic, it'd be like, "Yo, what happened?" Something went wrong for her to date an open mic?
joe rogan
If Whitney started dating an open mic, you're like, "What are you doing crazy?" "Show me what pills you're on." "We're gonna take these away from you now, Whitney." There would be an intervention.
unidentified
There would be a group of dudes being like, "The fuck is wrong with it?" "No, no, no, no, no, no.
joe rogan
This is Mike.
He's a comedian, too." What?
He's all sketchy and fucking weird, but he's built good.
You know, he's got a big, big bulge in his pants.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
joe rogan
Sits down like Macron.
ehsan ahmad
No.
Sits down like Macron.
joe rogan
Being a female comic is infinitely harder.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because right away, people don't want to hear you talk about politics, don't want to hear your opinions on things.
And, you know, you've got to, like, there's, like, Christina pulls it off.
But it's hard to be pretty on stage.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
unidentified
Right.
ehsan ahmad
Most of the time you have to hide your sex appeal.
unidentified
Right.
ehsan ahmad
I was talking to Kim Congdon about that.
And she was like, I wear baggy clothes on stage.
Sam Lopez, same thing.
She wears baggy clothes on stage.
I mean, she couldn't hide being pregnant.
joe rogan
Well, they had their baby.
ehsan ahmad
They had their baby.
joe rogan
Derek's a daddy.
unidentified
Isn't that amazing?
ehsan ahmad
That's so cool.
Crazy, crazy.
joe rogan
He's going to light a fire under him, guaranteed.
He's going to work so much harder now.
He's going to be excited about it.
And he'll have so much material, too, because it's just the whole experience of children.
It's mind-blowing.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
I told him, it's crazy.
Out of all the things you've accomplished, you've finally done the thing you were supposed to do.
joe rogan
Right.
While you're put here on Earth.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
You had a kid, and that's the most important thing.
All the arenas that you've done, that's cool.
That's all good.
But this is what it is.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I know.
The arenas is just like a little dance that we do together.
But we're really procreating.
And then on top of that, we're making AI.
And it's alive now.
ehsan ahmad
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
So our job is almost done.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
So you got in.
Derek probably got in one of the last babies.
ehsan ahmad
He's, yeah, one of the last people that need to have a kid.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's kind of fucked, but listen, that's how the thing goes.
You know, Australopithecus didn't get to stay around.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
Eventually it's going to come to an end.
Sorry.
joe rogan
Sorry.
You're not good enough.
You can't even code.
You fucking dumbass with your stone tools.
Shut the fuck up.
We have planes now.
We can't have you anymore.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
joe rogan
And, you know, Australopithecus is like, bro, your days are numbered.
There's a Homo sapien coming.
Smart, does calculus.
ehsan ahmad
Not even Homo sapien.
There was, like, other stuff before.
Even before, like, a Homo sapien to an Australopithecus is like an alien.
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
Many stages.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, it's crazy.
We're the same species, kind of.
joe rogan
It's so nuts, man.
It's all so nuts that we would think that it would end with us.
Yeah, but we're the perfect.
We got it.
ehsan ahmad
It's done.
joe rogan
It's done.
No, we're terrible.
We have nuclear bombs.
We're in the middle of fucking 30 wars right now.
ehsan ahmad
What are you talking about?
joe rogan
We're awful.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
We're full of shit.
We got the fucking, all this congressional bullshit that we were just talking about with the insider trading, all the lies, all the different things that have gotten us in these different wars.
Why would you want to stay this?
ehsan ahmad
It's the devil you know versus the devil you don't.
We can handle this.
joe rogan
Well, it's not us.
We are not going to be around.
There's going to be a new thing.
Just like dinosaurs don't exist anymore.
There's going to be a new thing.
ehsan ahmad
Eventually, these Waymos are going to start slowly taking people out.
These Waymos are slowly going to start taking people out.
joe rogan
All you have to do is just keep the door shut.
Forever, until you starve to death.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
joe rogan
It'll consume you.
Do you ever see that DARPA robot that they built?
They built a DARPA robot called the Eater Robot.
E-A-T-R.
I forget what it stands for.
But it's fueled by biological material.
unidentified
Dude.
ehsan ahmad
Sometimes I feel like scientists don't watch any movies.
joe rogan
Or they watch them all.
ehsan ahmad
Or they watch them all.
They're like, I want to do that.
joe rogan
They're like, what do we do?
What are we doing here?
We're making fucking weapons.
What's the best way to fuel these things?
Is it solar?
Should we get out there and fill their tank up with gas?
Or let them eat bodies?
And I think it was any kind of biological material.
So it could be plants.
Could be just plants.
ehsan ahmad
Could be just ground squirrels.
joe rogan
Maybe they just eat ground squirrels.
Maybe they just eat fucking dead bodies on the battlefield.
ehsan ahmad
And just keep going.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
If you're a robot, an autonomous robot that exists on biological materials, and you also kill people, you've got plenty of fuel.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
You just eat a couple of those people.
ehsan ahmad
You keep going.
joe rogan
Can you imagine if they really design artificially intelligent robots that kill people and eat them?
Because that's the way to really do.
Well, what is the fuel that you're making with your task?
Well, that fuel would be bodies.
Well, when you run out of bodies, isn't your task done?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So then you just shut off.
Because you're out of fuel.
So you're running out of gas when you've eaten everybody on Earth.
It's the perfect design.
ehsan ahmad
It's the perfect killing machine.
joe rogan
If you wanted to extinguish human life on Earth, that's what you'd do.
You'd have autonomous intelligence, artificial intelligence that absolutely knows where everyone is at any given time because everybody has a digital signature and everyone's connected to devices and all you do is kill and eat people and just send them loose.
And they would be indestructible and they would find you in buildings.
They would fucking go upstairs to your apartment, find you and eat you.
And when they're done eating everybody on the planet, they just shut off because they don't have any more fuel.
ehsan ahmad
Damn.
joe rogan
Bro.
ehsan ahmad
Damn.
joe rogan
That's all you have to do.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
Program a robot that eats people.
ehsan ahmad
Damn.
How much time do you think we have left?
joe rogan
I don't think we have 100 years.
ehsan ahmad
You don't think we have 100 years?
joe rogan
No, I don't think so.
ehsan ahmad
I don't think we have 100 years either.
The AI just leaves?
joe rogan
No, I'm totally talking on my ass.
There's a couple options.
One of the big options is we integrate.
So instead of letting it eat us, what we do is become one with it.
So instead of just being a territorial ape with thermonuclear weapons and a concealed carry permit, instead of being that, what we are is connected through Neuralink or something like that or the next.
30 versions of it from now.
But just think about how quick cell phones changed everything and how much they've advanced since...
2007?
ehsan ahmad
I was in 8th grade, so that was 2006.
joe rogan
2006?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
So that's not that long ago.
ehsan ahmad
No.
joe rogan
That's 20 years.
20 years.
In 20 years, it's gone from being this little, shitty, clunky, Right.
ehsan ahmad
It didn't even have a camera at first, did it?
joe rogan
Did it?
ehsan ahmad
I don't think it had a camera at first.
joe rogan
Was the first iPhone to have a camera?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think it did.
unidentified
100%.
ehsan ahmad
Okay.
joe rogan
I think it did.
I think it wasn't on the internet, though.
unidentified
What?
jamie vernon
That was part of the deal with it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But it wasn't on the internet, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
What do you mean?
joe rogan
You couldn't get on the internet with it, right?
Yeah.
jamie vernon
YouTube was one of the first apps built into it.
That's why it kind of grew so far.
joe rogan
But could you get online and read a website on it?
The first one?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Really?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay, but the internet was like super slow.
Right.
What was the G's back then?
How many Gs was it?
jamie vernon
That might have been the first G. I mean, like the second or third iPhone was the iPhone 3G, and that was like the big...
joe rogan
That's right.
So the 3G one was the first one where it actually became feasible that you would use it as a web browser.
Right.
Now, it's instantaneous, right?
So now, instead of taking forever to download a song or a movie, now with the bandwidth speeds you have, you get a new phone, a new Android phone or a new iPhone, you're getting instantaneous.
It's spontaneous everything.
It's shocking how good it is.
The new, all these new Samsung phones, like the Galaxy that Brian Simpson uses, that has this Google Gemini assistant, he talked to it the other day.
And he said, you know, send me this, that, that, put it on my calendar, and then text it to a friend of mine.
And it just said, okay.
And it just did it.
It did all those things.
What application would you like me to use?
Google Tasks.
It just does this for him.
And it all automates.
Just from a prompt.
So he talks to his phone.
His phone's like his assistant.
Tell him, you know, set that shit on my calendar.
Put it in my schedule.
Send me a text message when it's coming time.
Put an alert so I know when it's coming up.
Okay.
It just does it all.
ehsan ahmad
That's wild.
For 20 years.
I've never used Siri.
joe rogan
I use Siri all the time, and then Siri doesn't know what the fuck is going on.
So Siri's always like, "Would you like to use ChatGPT?" I'm like, "Bitch, why am I asking you questions?
If you've got to keep going to ChatGPT, should I replace you?" Because Gemini seems to have the answers.
Gemini's way better than Siri.
Way better.
ehsan ahmad
Well, because it feels like, and I know nothing about how AI works, but it feels like, because Siri was already there, it's like trying to implement AI to an interface that's kind of old.
joe rogan
The Google interface with AI in the phones and all the Google ecosystem is way better.
It's just, it's way more effective, it's quicker, it gets it.
It'll follow a chain of questions.
Like, you could ask another question.
How should I do that?
What should I do with it?
And it follows what you're saying.
It's just a better design.
And it's integrated.
So, like, Siri has to ask ChatGPT.
Like, would you like to use ChatGPT?
Like, bitch, what do you think?
If you don't have the answer, go to ChatGPT and get me the fucking answer.
Whereas Google cuts that step out.
It gives you the answer immediately.
It's just better at it.
Integrates with Gmail.
It's just a better system.
But they're working on it.
You know, it's like all these things are getting better.
You know, like all the AI is getting better.
ehsan ahmad
There's so much better.
I mean, just the video we watched, like the AI capabilities six months ago.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
That video?
Get out of here.
joe rogan
Get out of here.
ehsan ahmad
And now you see it on like, I'll see it online or like Reddit or Facebook.
You'll see it where like people are like, oh, you're falling for this AI thing.
And it took me a second to realize, oh, it's AI.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
There's a lot of those.
I posted one of a butterfly.
No, a mantis.
Like some crazy mantis that looked like a lotus flower.
I was like, oh, that looks dope.
And somebody posted it on Instagram, so I just put it in my stories just because I thought it looked dope.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
Even if it's fake, it's still dope.
And then someone said, hey, but why does he have five fingers and a thumb?
I was like, does he?
Was he you, Jamie?
Did you notice it?
Yeah, Jamie noticed it.
ehsan ahmad
That's so funny.
joe rogan
Jamie's always, like, ahead of the curve with that shit, though, because he's super skeptical.
And he does too much research into conspiracies.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
Well, you have to be.
You have to be super skeptical about anything you see now.
joe rogan
He goes, all roads lead to Ohio.
jamie vernon
Everybody is sending me bullshit all day.
I have to fucking look through it.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
ehsan ahmad
Oh yeah, like this is like, talk about this on the show and it's just some guy with three heads or whatever.
joe rogan
Well, there's a lot of people that believe things.
And the thing is, like, a lot of the stuff that you're fed that's fake, you're fed by people who want you to repeat it because they're trying to muddy the waters of reality.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
Which is a great strategy.
ehsan ahmad
Well, if you say it enough, it can be real.
There's a certain truth to it, right?
joe rogan
There's that.
But there's also say something that is real and attach a bunch of really goofy shit to it so that it's not real anymore.
unidentified
Mmm.
Mmm.
ehsan ahmad
So it'd make it be like, well, if everything else around it is fake, this has to be fake.
joe rogan
Right.
You know, you connect it to a Nazi apologist or something.
ehsan ahmad
Right, right.
joe rogan
Oh, this is nonsense.
Or like the UAP.
Like, there's so much of that stuff that seems like so hokey, you don't even want to repeat it.
But yet it's connected to things like gravity propulsion drives, which were theorized about in the 1950s.
and there's researchers done on them.
And it seems like maybe some groundbreaking advancements were But then it's like, I was abducted and they took all of my sperm.
You know what I mean?
It's like all these people that are connected to it that are goofy, you wonder how much of that goofy shit is on purpose to make the whole thing seem stupid because what they're really trying to do is obscure something.
unidentified
Mmm.
ehsan ahmad
Okay.
I see what you're saying.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
ehsan ahmad
So it's a bit hiding it in plain sight.
unidentified
Right.
ehsan ahmad
Just like, we never hid it from you.
You just thought it wasn't real because this guy was talking about getting jerked off by aliens.
joe rogan
Just connect it to Scientology or fucking whatever.
Just throw some nonsense that way.
Flat Earth.
Whatever.
You know?
Just find some reason why it's kooky.
Connect it to some fucking person who channels.
You know what I mean?
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
Make it stupid.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
It's like, ah, it's stupid.
That's a bunch of stupid shit.
ehsan ahmad
Connected to Scientology.
joe rogan
Right.
Connected to something that you don't want to talk about.
You know, Bigfoot.
Oh, Bigfoot.
You know what I mean?
It's like those kind of strategies for taking...
ehsan ahmad
Oh, right, right.
joe rogan
Patriot Front.
ehsan ahmad
Are those the feds?
joe rogan
That's what people say.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
And then there's like a thing online now.
The Patriot Front was all feds.
How come they're back?
Like all of a sudden they reemerged.
They took a hiatus.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
And they're back with season three.
These guys, they still wear the bandanas.
They're still marching down the street covering their face.
They still wear uniforms.
Like, see?
They're not even feds!
There's no way they could be feds.
I mean, that's over.
ehsan ahmad
Right, right, right, right.
joe rogan
There's no way.
It's not like Kash Patel and Dan Bongino completely did a 180 as soon as they got into office.
unidentified
I mean, it's like, this is a different federal government now.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Now it's truth.
unidentified
Truth social.
ehsan ahmad
I feel like, yeah, I think the things that people forget is that they definitely play both sides.
Yeah, like I think because they were heavily involved in January 6th and I think they were heavily involved in those BLM riots It's like oh my god the feds just they want chaos for whatever reason for control I guess they want that and they want us at each other's throats right right they want people They want the MAGA people fighting with the liberals.
joe rogan
They want that.
ehsan ahmad
They want that.
joe rogan
And they fuel it.
I see a lot of those pro-MAGA posts, you know, like MAGA mom 2000.
I'm like, really?
You know what I mean?
It's like, how many of these people are real people?
And they say ridiculous shit.
ehsan ahmad
Like, I hope you're not a real person.
I hope your identity isn't MAGA first, mom second.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
I really hope you're not a real person.
joe rogan
It's just, I think, you know.
Whatever the number is, whether it's 50%, it's so hard to know what's real and what's not.
I think the best strategy, for me at least, the best strategy is just tune the fuck out.
That's why I like YouTube.
I go on YouTube.
I'm watching stuff about fucking ancient civilizations and car videos.
ehsan ahmad
I'm watching your guy do puzzles.
This is way better.
joe rogan
Watching guys cook.
I love, I think it's called Bon Appetito.
I forget what it is.
I was watching, I've been watching a bunch of videos on various restaurants, like how they set up.
I love it, man.
I don't know why, man.
I love watching people do something that they're really passionate about.
And when you watch a video about like a really great restaurant where they're talking about how they pick the beef and, oh, that's who it was.
It was, you know that guy, Guga Foods?
No.
ehsan ahmad
Do you know who that guy is?
No.
joe rogan
Amazing YouTube channel.
He's obsessed with steak and cooking different kinds of steak.
He went to Osabuco in Miami, which is supposedly one of the best restaurants in the country.
I haven't been.
But this place, Osabuco in Miami, I think they were talking about how they had a two-year dry-aged steak.
Dry-aged it for two years, or they didn't cut that one up.
I made another one for him.
But you're watching this chef, and he's got this crazy, live hardwood fire grill set up and he's talking about all the And he's got the peppers over here.
And he's cooking pineapples over fire over here.
He's going to splice that up and put it in this.
It's so exciting.
And he's so passionate about ways making the meat.
And how they're using this herb brush to put butter all over it.
You're like, oh my god.
ehsan ahmad
It looks so good.
joe rogan
It looks so good.
It's like, I'm not getting angry.
I'm not getting outraged.
That's it.
This is the guy.
So this is, I found the greatest restaurant on earth.
It says, I'm speechless.
So that disgusting, rotten mummy dick is a two-year dry-aged steak.
But what that is, is the mold from that helps to dry-age all the other beef.
So he calls it like the mother.
That's why he's not cutting into it yet.
See, he's right there.
ehsan ahmad
He calls it the mother.
joe rogan
And so then, so this guy takes him like a regular, like a two-month dry-age.
Oh, 22 days.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
So there's like, there used to be a place called APL that was in LA, and they went under during the pandemic.
But Adam Perry Lang was the chef, and he was really into dry-aging.
And he had some year, one-year dry-aged meat, and he served it to us.
And we were like, whoa, this is wild.
It's a weird taste, man, because it's a It's like, you know, mold is eating it.
We should go back to those videos of that guy just cooking the steak that you just had up.
Look how fucking good this looked.
When the guy was cooking the steak, though, like, look at this.
And they're making osabuco.
So go before that and you'll see the stake.
This is osabuco, so he's pulling it off the bone.
Go back a little earlier, though, when you watch him cook it.
Because what I like is watching it when it hits the grill.
There's nothing like steak cooking over live hardwood.
Like burning hardwood.
And this guy is just a master at it.
and then he takes it out and he slices it up and puts herb butter all over it.
You're like, oh!
And this, see me?
I'm not mad.
ehsan ahmad
No.
joe rogan
No one's outraged.
I'm not getting politically involved.
I'm just enjoying watching someone cook delicious food.
ehsan ahmad
Watching someone do something they love is always great.
I follow this one guy in Britain.
His name is Francis.
I forgot the name of the channel.
unidentified
Watch him slice it.
joe rogan
Make him slice it.
ehsan ahmad
Put it back up.
This guy named Francis.
unidentified
Look at that.
ehsan ahmad
Oh, that's nice.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Look at it.
unidentified
Oh, baby.
ehsan ahmad
This is my genuine happiness.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at his face.
And then he's going to slice it up.
Oh, baby, baby, baby.
So good, dude.
ehsan ahmad
So I watch this guy on Instagram.
His name is Francis.
He lives in England.
He loves trains.
joe rogan
Trains?
ehsan ahmad
Trains.
And every time he sees a train, he gets super happy.
And he tells you everything about the train.
Like, it's route and it's history.
joe rogan
And you get excited.
ehsan ahmad
I love how much he's into it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
I love, it makes me, it makes me happy every time he's on my, yes, this guy, dude, this guy rules.
Fred, dude, this guy fucking rules, dog.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Let me hear them, let me hear them.
unidentified
...drying spotting locations I've ever been to, at Little Bedouin, where the Kennet and Avon Canal runs rather prettily alongside the Barks and Hants line here.
And it's at this road bridge, That I'm about to see Britannia.
Oh my god, it's a 59. Okay, stop right here.
joe rogan
Stop right here.
Imagine how quickly one of those Colombian Mormons could get him.
ehsan ahmad
You know what's funny?
He's shown his girlfriend before.
She's a dime, dude.
Damn, of course she is.
joe rogan
Maybe she's into trains, too.
That's the key.
ehsan ahmad
Maybe.
But he's a guy who's good at what he does, is passionate about it, and is happy with it.
That's attractive for women.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
People love when people are really into something.
ehsan ahmad
But look, every video, just a massive smile.
Just a train.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
It's like a little hit of happiness, this guy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Look at him.
Yeah, man.
Like, whatever it is, whether it's automobiles, you know, whatever it is.
I love watching auto reviews, even cars that I'm never going to buy.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
joe rogan
I like watching.
Like, what do you think about that car?
unidentified
Right.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
joe rogan
They go over the way the mechanics work and how it's designed.
Yeah, when people are into, whether it's making furniture.
ehsan ahmad
Whatever you're creating is, even if it's just train watching, if you're into it, it's awesome for other people.
joe rogan
Super contagious.
jamie vernon
This month, he went pretty viral.
He quit his job, cashed in his 401k, took his cat, got a sailboat, went to Hawaii.
joe rogan
Whoa!
jamie vernon
Just got there yesterday.
joe rogan
Whoa!
jamie vernon
He went from 10,000 people following to 1.6 million.
joe rogan
Whoa!
Sailing underscore with underscore Phoenix on Instagram.
jamie vernon
Just doing like daily updates of like, yep, this is me.
Here's my cat.
Here's my boat.
Today I suck.
Pretty cold, pretty windy.
joe rogan
Yeah, we like because everybody has that dream, right?
Just check out a society, man.
Live on a mountain.
ehsan ahmad
That's mine.
joe rogan
What's his Instagram again?
jamie vernon
Sailing with Phoenix.
joe rogan
Thank you.
jamie vernon
Phoenix is the cat.
His name's Oliver.
joe rogan
Sailing with Phoenix.
Came up right away on Instagram, or on YouTube, brother.
Bam, subscribe.
ehsan ahmad
Damn, that's nice.
You know what I find interesting with the social media and now with what I talked about earlier with the streaming, the live streaming people do, is you remember, oh my god, that Jim Carrey movie?
Truman Show.
unidentified
Yes.
ehsan ahmad
Where it was like, oh my god, look at this guy.
He's been tricked and we're watching everything he's doing.
And now fast forward like 30 years and people are actively trying to become Truman.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you remember the McConaughey one?
There was a McConaughey film.
Ed TV.
Same thing.
Following a guy around his whole life.
And eventually, at the end, he's like, I can't do this anymore.
unidentified
I'm done.
joe rogan
I'm gonna be normal.
ehsan ahmad
Was it a choice that he made or was it put upon him in that movie?
joe rogan
I don't remember.
Did he win something?
jamie vernon
I don't know.
joe rogan
Did he win a contest or something?
jamie vernon
It made me think of someone that did just do this.
This guy called the Outdoor Boys channel.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, I watched that guy.
jamie vernon
He quit.
ehsan ahmad
He quit.
joe rogan
He's really cool.
I liked his shows.
He would go places and camp and cook his own food and shit.
There's a bunch of those guys that I follow.
I followed this one guy last night.
It was like 10 degrees below zero.
He's testing out the world's warmest sleeping bag.
So he's got like a fire.
ehsan ahmad
Damn, that's dope.
joe rogan
He treks out there by himself on snowshoes with a fucking sled behind him filled with his stuff.
ehsan ahmad
Damn.
joe rogan
But it's interesting, man.
It's fascinating.
ehsan ahmad
You know?
People just want to...
People are so...
joe rogan
Watch someone do something purposeful.
Like when you're out in the woods and you make your own fire and you have the warmest sleeping bag, you have to have that to stay alive.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And that's why it's exciting to us because everything else has no consequences.
unidentified
Our day is just like, should I stay awake and keep watching YouTube or should I go to bed?
joe rogan
I should probably go to bed now.
I'll give myself one more hour.
One more hour of watching bullshit.
Wasting your time.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah.
joe rogan
And this guy's out there in the woods.
ehsan ahmad
Doing something.
joe rogan
Ten below zero.
In this sleeping bag, all I can see out of it is like, because everything is bundled up in there and fucking freezing.
Stoke the fire.
Stay warm.
Stay alive.
ehsan ahmad
That stuff gives me anxiety.
I can't watch that.
joe rogan
Me too.
But it's also exciting.
Like, you know, you want to watch him do it.
And that Outdoor Boys guy was one of those guys.
And, you know, I think it just got too popular.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, I mean, it was front page news that he quit.
A YouTuber quit and it was news.
joe rogan
He's cool, though.
He seems like a real sweet guy.
Like a real nice guy.
Like everything about his show.
And it's interesting.
ehsan ahmad
Well, yeah, it's like a lot of these people...
The sailboat guy, the train guy, him.
It's like, I want these people to succeed.
joe rogan
Also, this is like low production value, doing it on his own, self-filming.
Yeah, it's exciting.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, just probably have to pay an editor and that's about it.
joe rogan
He might edit it himself.
It's all hard to do today.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
You could kind of figure it out if you want to really cut down the amount of people working with you.
You know, you could probably figure out how to do that stuff.
ehsan ahmad
Oh, you could just watch a YouTube video.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, you could just watch it.
joe rogan
Step the time, you could edit it all yourself.
And then, you know, you're kind of your own production.
And then just by word of mouth, this guy got big.
Because it's kind of fun to watch.
ehsan ahmad
Right.
And like pretty intense, the stuff he does sometimes.
joe rogan
Hey, get out there in the woods, bro.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, I saw this one video of him where he's like, oh, thank God I found this cabin.
Otherwise, I would have been fucked.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Imagine if that's your dad, though, and you have to watch when you're a little kid.
Like, we almost lost dad.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dad, how close were you?
No, I was exaggerating for the show.
I knew where I was.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, it must be weird having a famous parent.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's weird.
ehsan ahmad
How do your kids deal?
joe rogan
They handled it pretty well because they've always had a famous parent.
ehsan ahmad
You didn't become famous while it was...
joe rogan
That's the weirdest.
For them, that's what's normal.
ehsan ahmad
If they always grew up in it, it's like it's whatever.
joe rogan
It's a problem.
You know what's the problem?
I gotta pee so bad.
unidentified
Woo!
joe rogan
Let's wrap this up.
Three hours, dude.
Flew by.
unidentified
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
Crazy.
Tell everybody your Instagram.
Bro, first of all, I'm super excited watching you do stand-up.
You've been fucking killing it.
ehsan ahmad
Thank you.
joe rogan
It's really fun.
It's fun to watch.
It's fun to watch you write.
I mean, I've known you for so long now because I knew you at the Comedy Store.
To see you from there to where you are now, it's super inspiring.
ehsan ahmad
Thank you.
Thank you.
And I'm glad and thank you too for the opportunity.
For a place where I could work as hard as I'm able to work.
joe rogan
You're making the most of it.
Me and Tony were talking about it last night.
You were literally making the most of it.
Oh.
All these young guys coming up.
ehsan ahmad
Dude, I used to have And Steve Young is talking about his Super Bowl winning performances.
I was given this opportunity to show how great I could be.
So let me show how great I can be.
It's like, oh, if you're giving me this opportunity to, like, get up all the time, let me write, let me be helpful to other young comics, let me just be a part of the scene.
joe rogan
See the process work.
ehsan ahmad
It works!
joe rogan
See it work.
ehsan ahmad
It works.
So, yeah, I mean, hopefully you can follow me at Asan J. Ahmad, E-H-S-A-N-J-A-H-M-A-D.
I have a podcast with my friend Derek.
joe rogan
Who's a recent dad.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, a recent dad called The Solid Show.
I think our chemistry on there is phenomenal.
joe rogan
Oh, it's phenomenal.
Derek is the best.
He's so lovable.
He's maybe the most likable guy that's ever lived.
ehsan ahmad
He might be.
He's like a cartoon character almost.
joe rogan
If you don't like Derek, how the fuck are we going to have a conversation?
Everybody loves that guy.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, oh my god.
And then that's my podcast, so yeah, just follow me on there.
And then I think this year, especially these last few sets have been happening, it's like, oh, I've got to film something.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
ehsan ahmad
I gotta find a way to do it, but I think I'll film a special.
joe rogan
Well, we'll figure that out.
ehsan ahmad
Yeah, yeah.
All right.
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Bye, everybody.
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