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April 17, 2025 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #2306 - Deric Poston
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So we were just looking at a song in the security canvas in the fucking gym with his stupid haircut.
joe rogan
Why is he doing that?
He looks so crazy.
Hilarious dude.
deric poston
One of the best.
One of the best.
joe rogan
Fantastic. And getting better, man.
All the time.
He's a guy who's always working.
deric poston
Nobody writes more new stuff.
He writes a lot.
That guy puts me on my ass.
We've been best friends for the last 12 years, so I've been watching them this whole time.
And since we met, him and Brian Simpson, they put you to work.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's important.
Because if your friends are slacking, you're like, I can slack off too.
deric poston
Yeah, or you feel like, oh man, I'm better than my friends.
But when your friends are like, every time I see them, I'm like, dude, I saw you yesterday.
You have two new bits?
And they're good?
Yeah. How the fuck?
joe rogan
But one of his bits is his fucking hair.
deric poston
It's Hinchcliffe's fault.
Hinchcliffe fucking keeps encouraging.
Like, keep it going, keep it going.
joe rogan
He does encourage it.
deric poston
And I told you, he's getting mad pussy with the hair.
joe rogan
Shh, don't say that.
He's going to fuck up his pussy.
deric poston
You're right, you're right.
joe rogan
You're getting mad pussy.
unidentified
Really? I thought we were having a wonderful...
joe rogan
There's nothing funnier than when your friends...
Pull you aside to complain about a girl that's like putting the cuffs on them.
deric poston
It's the best.
joe rogan
Why don't you do things?
I heard the haircut.
unidentified
Why don't you cut your hair better so you don't get mad?
deric poston
You take comedy serious.
You don't take me serious.
joe rogan
Oh my god!
deric poston
He's the man.
Look how smooth he looks, though.
He looks dressed nice.
joe rogan
He's headlining La Jolla this weekend with you, right?
deric poston
Yeah, yeah.
We're doing it next week, next Thursday.
joe rogan
Oh, next week.
deric poston
Next Thursday, yeah.
Going back.
And then we're doing the belly room, too.
Headlining the belly room next night.
joe rogan
Nice. Fucking La Jolla is one of the best rooms in the world.
unidentified
Yeah. That La Jolla room is fire.
deric poston
If you get it crushing in there, it's a box.
It's a literal box.
It's a kill box.
joe rogan
And he's cheating with his hair.
deric poston
He's cheating.
joe rogan
He's cheating.
I won't say the jokes, but these hair jokes are just too good.
deric poston
Well, people lose their mood.
joe rogan
They lose their mind.
unidentified
It's unfortunate because they think he looks way better with his head shaved.
deric poston
He's a good-looking guy.
unidentified
He's a good-looking guy.
deric poston
And since you got him in the gym, his chest is filled out, his back's straighter.
joe rogan
I love when I come here and you two guys are in the gym.
And you're by yourselves.
It's pushing you.
I love it.
I love it.
deric poston
The only thing, because we do every single thing that we did back when we were working out, but other than some days we look at that cold punch and we're like, Joe, you're a fucking psycho.
Get the fuck out of here, dude.
Not getting in cold water for you today, dude.
joe rogan
I'm down to work out tomorrow if you guys want to do it.
deric poston
Of course.
joe rogan
All right, let's do it.
deric poston
Hell yeah, we'll get a good old school one in.
joe rogan
Yeah, we'll get an old school one.
deric poston
I'll get in the cold punch.
If we're all doing it, I need we all to be doing it.
joe rogan
So my friend Sean, who trained Alex Jones, is now training Shane.
He's going to start training.
deric poston
Shane. I heard about it.
He puts them through the gauntlets.
joe rogan
I told Shane, don't let him kill you.
Don't let him kill you.
Makes you back him off a little in the beginning.
These fucking psychopaths.
deric poston
I remember when Ahsan did it with him the first time, Sean, he got him to do it.
I was out of town with Schultz and Ahsan called me and goes, bro, I threw up twice.
At the end, he goes, no, at the beginning.
I was like, bro, get the fuck out of here.
joe rogan
You gotta build up to that kind of stuff.
That's the thing.
Sean's in great shape.
You know, if you're used to, like, coaching Navy SEALs, and you're like, come on, pussy, we gotta go.
You know, like, carry the fucking log.
unidentified
Who's gonna carry the boats?
joe rogan
That's one thing.
But when you're a guy like Shane, and you're on a workout on again, off again, on again, off again, like...
You can't hurt the guy.
Like, you gotta, like, start slow.
Yeah. Like, when we started working out, what do we do?
Start slow.
deric poston
Real slow.
I mean, you were teaching us how to use the kettlebells, let alone going super hard at it.
Whereas now, you know, me and Asan have upped our weight, because now we've done it so many, like, the rhythm of kettlebells.
joe rogan
Oh, it's gonna be fun.
deric poston
Oh, dude, I'm excited for tomorrow.
Yeah. But I was gonna tell you this about Asan's hair.
joe rogan
Let's back to it.
We're seeing him on the security camera.
What the fuck are you doing?
deric poston
I was like, he looks like a fucking psycho!
I can't believe it.
People love it.
joe rogan
They love it.
deric poston
I'll never forget this.
One night, I'm working the back door of the comedy store, and this is when Theo Vaughn had just...
He went from a guy we all knew to he's now Theo Vaughn.
And I'm sitting back there, and he pulled in, and we're just kind of hanging at the back door, and he goes, Derek, let me tell you something, man.
He goes, I was getting $2,000 a weekend before this hair.
joe rogan
Since this mullet I get about 40k a weekend and walked off You know what though, it's true, but it's not true So it's true that when the haircut came he got more money on the weekend,
but It's also like the haircut freed him to be Theo Vaughn Like do you remember when the I remember very clearly the first time I ever saw Theo And he was doing a bit about being on, not even a bit, he was telling a story, a true story,
about when he was young, his father was really old.
Like his father had him when he was like 70. Yes.
Yeah, something crazy.
And he said he remembers being on acid, lying next to his father, and realizes his father's just dying.
You know what I mean?
Have you ever been around someone who's like 100 years old?
deric poston
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
They feel like there's no life force in them.
deric poston
Yeah. And they're almost trapped in their mind.
joe rogan
Yeah. And he's on acid lying next to him.
I was like, whoa, this guy's weird.
What a weird set.
And he was talking about all kinds of other stuff too, but it was really fun, but it was interesting.
And then I remember seeing him about a year, a year and a half later, and I couldn't fucking breathe.
I was just crying laughing.
My cousin got bit by a gay guy, so...
We'll see.
unidentified
I was just like, what the fuck are you saying?
joe rogan
What the fuck are you saying?
It was the timing and just the materials all over the place in this weird way.
I love a guy like that.
deric poston
Yeah, I agree.
You're right.
The mullet might have just been the little touch, but he was already your favorite to watch.
joe rogan
Sometimes you need something like that to make you feel different.
You know, like some dudes, I think, like dressing nice on stage because they feel different.
Or Burt likes to take his shirt off because he feels different.
Burt could do the same set with a tuxedo on.
It would be the same fun.
Yeah, it would be the same fun.
It just makes him feel free to let that fucking gut hang out and show everybody he's willing to drink himself to death for you.
deric poston
Like, he's a fucking gladiator, dude.
But they love it.
But I do get that feeling of, like, being free on stage and truly...
Yeah. Because that does separate yourself, too, of like, oh, this is how I...
joe rogan
Damn. Yeah, you gotta learn how to do that some way, right?
And some people it's alcohol, and some people it's the way they dress, and some people it's weed, and some people it's, you know, they have to run, they have to jog before they do a set.
deric poston
Yeah. I remember seeing Eleanor, she would do dips.
You'll catch her in the back of the hole, and she's just cranking out dips, and then she goes up, but then you see when she's up, it's like, oh, that energy had to just, it was just coming out of her.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's coming out of you, and also you want to get your heart rate up a little bit, so your body is like, and your I heard Bill Burr say something,
deric poston
but he's just one of the greatest to ever do it.
But it always made me go, damn, because I always felt that way.
Like, no, I wouldn't eat before a meal.
I'm eating before a show.
I wouldn't eat.
And then I heard him say once, he was like, oh, I used to not eat before shows.
And then I got older.
And I'd fucking have a Thanksgiving dinner before a show and go up and talk the whole set about how I had a Thanksgiving dinner and how fucking fat I am and how gross we all are in America.
And it was just, like, that freedom of, like, wow, he really doesn't give a fuck, this guy.
joe rogan
Well, Bill is also amazing at being Bill.
Like, he has his opinions, what he thinks is stupid about something, and he's just, like, locked in.
You know what I mean?
Like, there's no...
Like, some comics, like, you'll see one of their hours, and it's kind of like one kind of energy, and then the other hour, it's like kind of a different kind of energy.
Well, Bill Burr, it's Bill Burr.
I'm Bill Burr.
I'm Bill Burr.
He knows how to be Bill Burr.
He's professionally Bill Burr.
That's a great point.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
A lot of people couldn't even do his material.
It just, like, wouldn't work.
deric poston
No, and it would sound, like, hateful.
Like, this guy fucking hates the world, dude.
joe rogan
But that's just the magic of becoming, you know, you.
A tell is the absolute best at it.
A tell has a timing...
And a presence and then the material, the way it's written, like a lot of it on paper, you'd be like, what is this?
I don't understand how this would be funny.
But you see him do it in real life, you're like, oh my god.
You're just crying.
deric poston
Yeah, and when the crowd is more ruckus, he's better.
joe rogan
He's in on the corniness of some of the stuff too, which makes it even more fun.
It's like there's many layers to it.
And some of it is just brilliant observations on things.
Some of them is completely ridiculous.
It's just all, but it's woven into Dave Vittell.
deric poston
And it'll pull out a fucking recorder.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It starts playing the flute.
Bro, when we saw him live, I was so fucking impressed.
I was so impressed.
I was like, that is so good.
You know who's another one like that?
Colin Quinn.
deric poston
Man, when he was here.
joe rogan
Bro, you see him live, you're like, wow, that was so good.
Just so fun.
You forget how good he is.
deric poston
Yeah, and then you're learning shit.
You're like, I didn't know this.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's like a history wizard.
I remember we did Tough Crowd once, and Colin used to do stand-up to the crowd before.
Before the show would start, before we'd sit down and do tough crowds.
deric poston
He was doing the warm-up for his own show.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was doing the warm-up for his own show.
This one time.
I don't know if he did it all the time, but he was murdering.
Murdering. And I was watching this, and I was like, people don't know how good he is.
Like, this is crazy.
Because, like, there's some guys that warm up for their show, and it's like a monologue.
They're doing a few jokes.
It's like, it's okay.
It's okay.
But I'm not in it.
I'm not really feeling it.
With him, it was like I was at a club.
I was like dying laughing like I was at a comedy club.
I was like, people don't know.
There's a few of these guys that just never got good at promoting.
And they're really good.
And the interesting thing is the really good ones are not bitter.
They're not as famous as they deserve to be.
Like I tell, he's the least bitter guy alive.
deric poston
Yeah, he's so cool.
joe rogan
Not even remotely bitter.
Always friendly.
deric poston
Yeah, he'll talk to an open mic all day.
joe rogan
Sweet, peaceful.
He's as present as you can get.
And he's infinitely less famous than he should be.
He should be selling out arenas all over the world.
He's that good.
Wow. He's so good, dude.
He might be the best comic alive.
There's a few in my mind that are in the running for that.
Who's the best?
I guess there's no one best.
deric poston
It's sports.
joe rogan
You always have to consider Chappelle.
He's the goat of our generation.
He's the most prolific.
He has social impact.
He's hilarious and silly, and he's a sweetheart of a person, too.
So you have to think that.
But then I go with sheer RPMs.
I gotta go with Joey Dees.
Sheer RPMs.
How many nights were we in the back of the Comedy Store?
We couldn't even.
You couldn't even talk.
deric poston
You couldn't breathe.
You're not even laughing anymore.
You're just wheezing.
joe rogan
Everybody's just wheezing.
You're making wheezing noises and slapping things.
deric poston
Man, I remember back that era seeing him and how people feel about him now.
Whatever. But at that time, man, when Chris D'Elia was on stage in that main room some nights.
It was mind-blowing, the RPMs.
Just the amount of laughter and how fast would be like, what the fuck?
joe rogan
Yeah, he could kill.
There's some magic to that thing.
I think that's hypnosis.
I've always thought that.
For a long time, at least.
I'm like, what is happening to me when someone's on stage and they're killing?
When Shane's on fire.
What is happening to me?
I think I'm locked in with their mind.
I don't think it's as simple as I'm watching a show or something like that.
Because I love watching a funny movie, Tropic Thunder or something like that.
I love laughing and watching a funny movie.
But I don't feel the same way I feel when a guy is in front of me on stage doing stand-up.
And I think as great as specials are...
They're like 60 to 70% of being there live.
Yes. Always.
I think there's something about being there live that's like, it's hypnosis.
There's something going on where that person's making me think the way they think.
deric poston
Yeah. When someone brings you into their world, and like you said, you're just living in it.
And you're not even thinking about it.
You're just like, I'm living in this guy's essence right now.
joe rogan
Exactly. You're living in this person's imagination and this person's work, right?
Because they set this set up, and they danced it around their head, and they wrote it down on paper.
That's the other interesting thing about what we do.
There's no one way to do it.
I always say my way to do it, but I don't think Bill writes shit down.
I think he keeps it all in his head.
Yeah, Dave mostly keeps it all in his head, too.
deric poston
Schultz does that, too.
joe rogan
Yeah. It's insane.
That's the Jay-Z thing, too, right?
Jay-Z kept it all in his head.
deric poston
Lil Wayne.
It's insane.
It's not like they're releasing one album.
joe rogan
But who's the best writer?
Nas. Nas wrote everything down.
You can't write Rewind.
In your head.
deric poston
No, you can't.
No. It's a story backwards.
joe rogan
It's a story backwards.
It's another level.
That's another level.
That's like him pulling his dick out and just like...
Slapping that shit on the table, right?
That song is...
When you want to say, like, writing?
Like, I challenge anybody in the world.
Who's got a better written song than Rewind from Nas?
deric poston
That's a great take.
I would agree with that.
It's perfectly fluent backwards.
It's insane.
It's a language almost.
joe rogan
It's perfectly fluent backwards.
It's... It's magic.
It's like a magic song.
Yeah. And while you're watching it, you're appreciating the fact that he pulled it off.
Yeah. You know, like, while you're listening, you're appreciating the fact that he pulled off this song backwards.
deric poston
Yeah, it's impressive to watch the different ways people do it.
I mean, I'm biased, because I tour with him, but man, when I'm out with fucking Schultz, dude.
Because people just see him come up with that 10 minutes up top.
You know, like, we'll go to Abu Dhabi, and you just see it, right?
But man, I get to see how he gets there.
And he gets to town, and no matter where we are, and all he does is he just talks to people.
And he doesn't say anything.
He gets a random person who's lived in wherever we're at for a long time.
And he just lets them.
And you just see them.
And his eyes will light up when somebody says a certain thing.
And his eyes will light up.
And he's like, ooh, okay.
Oh, that's going on?
Oh, then what do they think of this?
And he'll ask a couple questions.
And he'll do it.
And I'm not talking about 30 minutes, Joe.
He'll talk to somebody for three, four hours before the show.
And just soak in all the culture and all the information.
And then you see him go on stage.
And it's a full-flush 10-minute.
Chunk about a place.
joe rogan
Joe, he's a special talent.
He's a special talent.
deric poston
Yeah, I've never seen anything like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's very special.
And, you know, and it's also like you got to realize he's doing these jokes in front of 16,000 people for the first time.
He's got a new joke and he's busting it out in front of 16,000 people about their area.
Yes. Bro, that shit he did in Hawaii about the chickens being so confident.
deric poston
Joe, I was the black guy.
unidentified
We got out the van and he saw the chickens run up to me.
deric poston
He's like, these chickens are too confident, dawg.
And he's like, they don't know Derek.
And we're dying.
And it's a foreign bit later that night.
And it's like, this guy is incredible.
joe rogan
And that's another example.
Like, what is he doing?
How is he doing that to that crowd with those great jokes?
Like, he's locking those people in.
You're letting him think for you.
Like, come on, man.
Think for me.
Let me have a good time and think for me.
deric poston
Yeah. And not only that, but you're talking.
You're talking about my own personal experience in Hawaii.
Right. And now you're going into your set.
You have me.
You have me completely wrapped around you.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're a pro.
deric poston
It was insane.
joe rogan
He keeps getting better.
He was good when I first saw him a few years back, but man, he just keeps getting better.
deric poston
Well, like you said earlier, to see people do different hours...
You know what he did, too, though?
joe rogan
People forget, he was like the first guy to really capitalize on the pandemic with his videos, where he essentially created a completely new kind of stand-up, right?
So, it's stand-up without the pauses that you would require if an audience was laughing.
So it's more rapid-paced.
Like, he thought this through, dude.
This is like a genius thing.
Those things turn your phone sideways?
deric poston
Yes, man.
joe rogan
So that's what you used to have to do back in the day, kids.
Back five years ago.
All you fucking 15-year-olds when you were 10, you didn't know about this.
But when you turn your phone sideways, and then it would play out in wide format.
And he would...
Kind of do stand-up with images and with punchlines, and it was fucking great!
Incredible. But it was a way faster pace than he does stand-up on stage.
Yeah. It was like the punchlines, and then you this and that.
And I'm like, oh my god, he figured it out.
Yeah. He figured out how to make really compelling stand-up for someone who's not there.
deric poston
Well, it's like a late-night monologue from one of those late-night hosts, but like a real motherfucker doing it.
And really giving their actual opinion.
joe rogan
Exactly. Exactly.
It's genius.
Because, like, that was an example of someone innovating in, like, a crisis.
Like, there's a situation that happened.
You're forced to, everyone, you know, some, like, during the pandemic, some people just curled up in a shell and decided, I'm not leaving my house anymore.
Yeah. And then some people are like, okay, what can we do?
What can we do?
Okay. I'm going to figure out how to do stand-up in this little video format.
Turn your phone sideways.
Yeah. And then everybody started sharing them.
And then Netflix does a thing, you know, Andrew Schultz saves America.
deric poston
Andrew Schultz saves America, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah. Which I don't think he...
They should get their money back.
How dare you?
deric poston
Yeah, some of those people are still trapped in the house.
joe rogan
It's crazier than ever right now.
deric poston
But yeah, he did.
I mean, even with clips.
Genius. It's him.
I give him that credit.
joe rogan
Oh, he does it all the time.
And he also, you know, because his stuff is local and a lot of it, like these opening bits that he comes up with, you kind of have to get him out now.
Yeah. Right?
So he can just release them on like the fucking...
When he did the P. Diddy thing when he went to LA.
And that's just at P. Diddy's house.
deric poston
Brother. Brother, he wrote that shit 10 minutes before he walked up into the forum.
20,000 people.
20,000 people.
He wrote it 10 minutes.
And it was the...
unidentified
Me and Mark Agnan are sitting there like, holy fuck.
deric poston
How did he come up with this?
We were just hanging with him.
joe rogan
That's so funny.
He's in the groove.
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It's sort of like...
When you have a muscle to do something and you do that thing all the time, then you just get better and better and better at doing that thing, and then you get in the groove.
Like we were talking about, like Attell, like Theo, like when someone gets in the groove of who they are, you know, like Tony is on Kill Tony.
unidentified
Perfect example.
deric poston
That's an unreal example.
He's locked in.
joe rogan
He's in the groove.
He's been doing it so long.
He knows when to dance and when to pause.
deric poston
When to ask a serious question, when to get goofy, when to let the panel know.
It's pretty impressive.
joe rogan
If you can find something like that to do in your life, you'll have a much better life than if you just get a job.
And I know, not everybody can, but if you can, you definitely should.
deric poston
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah, you definitely should do that.
deric poston
Being excited for every day and nervous and anxious and that feeling, I mean, to not have it, I can't believe people go, I get having you got to go to work, you got to make money, but the idea of like, man, never that feeling of anxiety and looking forward to something and it not going the way you planned.
And so you got to go the next day and figure out what went wrong.
And like, I love that.
That's what I love about stand up, the figuring it out, the math of it all.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a great job, man.
We're so fucking lucky.
deric poston
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
We're so lucky.
deric poston
God, you've been in it long enough to see everybody.
Did you see this thing Damon Wayne said about you?
joe rogan
Yeah, he said he stole a lot of my jokes.
deric poston
Yeah, I wanted to talk to you about that.
But the way he said it, I've never seen someone say, I stole a joke.
And he was like, man, I got...
I saw it, and then I realized I stole Joe's joke, and I was like, oh, I gotta stop watching, motherfuckers.
It just stuck in the back of his head.
But I know you give him his flowers, so I was like, oh, no, the guy's not a joke thief.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
That happens, man.
Sometimes you think you came up with it, but somebody else did, and you heard it, and you forgot.
That can definitely, especially if it's a subject that you never cover, and time has passed, and then the subject comes up, like something comes up, and you're like...
It almost like David tells the best at that.
He'll call you up because you have to check sometimes like hey have you heard this?
You know like you have like he's the best at that.
Dave does that all the time.
Like you got to check every now and then like this one seems too easy because the memory is weird.
You know memory is weird.
You ever go back to like your old neighborhood where you grew up and you're like this house is way smaller than I thought it was.
deric poston
It was a mansion.
joe rogan
This is all different.
The driveway is different.
Everything's different.
Looks weird.
You know, your memory's shitty.
It's good.
I mean, it keeps you from fucking picking up the wrong spider.
But you know what I mean?
It's not a photographic representation of reality.
And that's a problem.
deric poston
And you guys have been doing stand-up 20 years.
How many bits have you seen?
joe rogan
Seen too many bits.
Yeah. So you can...
And then, you know, there's parallel thinking.
There's a lot, but you know when someone's a thief and Damon's not a thief.
I always said that Damon, he might be one of the most underappreciated comics ever, because when he was in his prime, you've got to realize he was like, if you're looking at today, he was like Chappelle.
He was in that same level of recognition as being one of the best guys a lot.
But then they got him with those TV shows, man.
deric poston
And movies.
He wanted to be a movie star.
joe rogan
Yeah. Last Boy Scout.
He was going to be a movie star.
Did that big Bruce Willis movie.
unidentified
Bruce Willis.
joe rogan
And it was a good movie.
Yeah. And it looked like he was going to be a movie star after that.
deric poston
I mean, he had some great, like, Blank Man, where he's a retarded superhero.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
That was so ridiculous.
Try doing that today.
You couldn't do that so good.
unidentified
When he used to do Handyman on In Living Color shit.
Oh my god.
deric poston
They might be one of the greatest families.
The Waynes family.
joe rogan
For sure.
Who's number two?
They're number one.
deric poston
They might be one and two, Joe.
I don't know who.
joe rogan
What other families are there that are like big, not in comedy?
What other family?
Am I missing something?
Am I forgetting somebody?
deric poston
I mean, I know, and Living Color was so big.
joe rogan
It's like them and then the Sklar Brothers.
There's no other families.
There's nobody in the hunt.
deric poston
In Living Color is so big, Joe.
Did you notice that the reason we have the Super Bowl halftime show is because of In Living Color.
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Really? Is that true?
deric poston
That's true.
So before Michael Jackson did, the year they brought Michael Jackson was because the year before that, In Living Color aired during the Super Bowl.
Wow. And they lost so many viewers.
They lost like a, not half, a big number where that they were like, we can't let people leave during the halftime show because this show is too big.
joe rogan
What year was that?
deric poston
I want to say Michael Jackson was 95?
unidentified
Maybe 96?
joe rogan
It had to be earlier than that.
deric poston
Maybe 94?
joe rogan
It had to be earlier than that because I remember watching it on TV at a pool hall.
93. 93. Yeah.
93. So I was just moving to New York.
To L.A. from New York then.
So I was in New York at a pool hall watching it.
And I remember watching Fire Marshal Bill.
And I'd be like, how can you do this?
How is this allowed?
Like, this show's crazy.
You have to realize for 93, there was nothing.
Like, if you think about the internet today and all the crazy videos that people put together and the years of mad TV.
deric poston
SNL. Yeah.
joe rogan
But back then?
Back then, man, there was nothing like this show.
This show was crazy.
deric poston
That is Paul.
Oh my god, that is Paulie right in the corner.
joe rogan
Oh, look at Paulie.
deric poston
The weave.
joe rogan
Look at him.
unidentified
He's moving the head like a pigeon, bro.
joe rogan
He's here now, too.
Yeah, I know that.
Isn't that fun hanging out with Paulie?
It's like being at the store, man.
deric poston
It's the best.
unidentified
But this is unreal how big this was.
joe rogan
The show was great.
But, Damon, if you want to watch something, watch...
I think it's The Last Stand.
I think that was one of his...
I think that's the name of it.
I think it's The Last Stand, but it's fucking phenomenal.
And it's so good, but it's also so good if you go back to that time.
Because comedy, like everything else, has evolved with all the scrutiny on it and all the different high-level people that are doing it.
The comedy right now, I think, is at the highest level that I've ever seen.
There's so many...
Really great comedians.
I think in the 1980s, like if you go back, you had Kennison, you had Eddie Murphy, you had Richard Pryor, you had George Carlin, you had a bunch of really good guys, Jerry Seinfeld, but that many after that.
You know, it wasn't as thick.
Yeah. It's thick with assassins.
I think, like, right now, there's so many assassins out there.
There's more arena acts out there right now than has ever been in the history of comedy.
Yeah. You've got to realize, arena acts started with Dice Clay.
So Dice Clay starts off becoming...
He becomes an arena act in, like, 87-ish?
deric poston
Late 80s is when arena act comedy started.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
Before, and nobody was doing it but Dice.
Dice was the only arena act.
Wow. Yeah, and then arena act number two, Dane Cook.
deric poston
And that's how many years later?
joe rogan
Many. Because this is like, Dane Cook becomes an arena act in like the 2000s.
Wow. Yeah.
So then there's Dane Cook.
Dane Cook starts selling on arenas.
I was like, what is happening?
What is happening?
And then all of a sudden, the internet happens.
And social media happens.
And a lot of comics, like we were talking about, like, Dave Attell and Colin Quinn.
Like, Dave Attell's one of the best to ever do it.
And if there's ever a club where he's not sold out the moment it's on stage, it's a travesty.
It doesn't make any sense.
But they didn't connect to the internet the same way.
And because that, the notoriety is not commensurate to the talent.
Whereas with Schultz, the notoriety and the talent are perfectly balanced.
It's the same level.
So everybody knows how good he is, and everybody knows who he is.
It's locked in, where it's like Dave Attell is this.
But the notoriety is us talking about him only.
Word of mouth only.
His social media is hot garbage.
He's got a flip phone.
He's got a flip phone.
He texts you with a doo-doo-doo-doo.
He's got to press four times to get an R or whatever the fuck it is.
unidentified
It's so stupid.
joe rogan
It's crazy he does it like that.
It's crazy he does it like that.
Like, why do you do it like that?
deric poston
Because he could be on the internet more.
I mean, I remember when he had that show, Insomniac.
That's when I first saw him.
joe rogan
Let me throw this at you, because I've been trying to stay off social media more and more.
Every day, like a little less every day.
And the more I do it, the better I feel.
It's like not being poisoned.
It really is.
It's like getting away from a poison that you didn't know was a poison, like some, like, forever plastics in your Starbucks cup or something, you know?
Yeah. I quit those Starbucks cups and all of a sudden I, you know what I mean?
It's like something like that.
Like, I quit drinking tap water and all of a sudden I could think better, you know?
jamie vernon
Steve Martin sold 45,000 tickets in'78.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that's right.
I forgot about Steve Martin for two reasons.
One, because Steve Martin was a little different.
He was doing stand-up, but it was a lot of songs.
He was great, by the way.
Let's Get Small is phenomenal.
But I think he got to a point where comedy became too easy.
So he didn't know what was funny anymore because everybody loved him so much.
And he stopped doing stand-up, which is really weird.
Wow. Probably didn't have good friends.
Yeah. If he had good friends, we would have grabbed him like we grabbed Ron White.
Remember when Ron White was trying to quit?
I'm going to retire.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Why would you do that?
Why would you do that?
Isn't comedy fun?
Yeah. So keep doing fun things.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
I can't believe I have to give them this advice.
Like, you're Ron White.
How are you thinking about...
How much fun are you having when you're killing up there?
But I think that was the drinking thing, too, man.
deric poston
Yeah, he's sober now.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was drinking, and it was also he needed a tribe.
And he had the tribe a little bit when he was in California.
But he was always on the road a lot, and he just decided that...
Being in the center of the country was better.
So he was like patient zero of the Austin Revolution.
A lot of people think it was me, but it was really Ron.
Because I came here knowing that Ron was here.
I was like, at the very least, Ron's here.
deric poston
It's two of us.
joe rogan
I'm like, I'm not living like this in California.
You're not doing this to me.
I know what you're doing.
The fucking caged animal in me is like, I'm getting out.
This is going to go sideways.
I'm not going to be a part of this.
Fuck you.
Okay, at least Ron's there.
I was like, my life is going to be worse than it ever was before.
My life is going to be, all my friends are gone.
They're not here.
I'm in the middle of the country.
Maybe I'll see them every now and then.
Maybe I'll have to book shows to see them.
But at least Ron's here.
That's what I decided.
deric poston
Patient zero.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was patient zero.
So, you know...
deric poston
And now he hangs out every night.
And we get Ron every night.
joe rogan
Oh, he's lovely.
deric poston
He's the...
joe rogan
He's lovely.
deric poston
We were hanging one time.
This is my favorite Ron story.
And it's just me, you, and Ron in the green room.
And you gifted him a really nice Rolex.
And you guys were having a sweet moment.
And I couldn't believe I was there to see it.
I was like, damn, this is really cool.
And you gifted it to him and y'all were having a conversation.
I'm like, wow.
And he takes off his Rolex and he tosses it to me.
He goes, there you go, Derek.
And I go, holy shit, Ron, for real?
And he says, fuck no, bro.
Give me my Rolex.
Give me my Rolex back, you idiot.
And then you went.
unidentified
So you go, that's the most fucked up shit I've ever seen, Ron.
joe rogan
I forgot about that until right now.
unidentified
It was the most evil.
joe rogan
That was so evil.
deric poston
You literally were like, Ron, why would you do that?
joe rogan
Well, I thought everybody was just giving out Rolexes up in this bitch.
deric poston
I just thought that was going to be a great moment.
And my face was like.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
deric poston
But he's the man, dude.
I can't believe I'm friends with him.
Because I've been a fan.
joe rogan
I feel that same way.
I feel that way about a lot of guys.
Like, I can't believe I'm friends with you.
It's nice.
Well, that's good, right?
You never stop being both a fan and a person who does it.
I try to separate it.
I try to separate me as a comic offstage versus me as a comic onstage.
I really do.
You know, so I can just be a fan.
When I was younger, I used to watch someone going,"Oh, I would do it differently." Like, if they suck, I'll do that.
If they suck, I'll go like,"Oh, that premise." I think...
You're not explaining this very well.
I'll start picking it apart that way.
But I like to just be a fan.
I like to just watch.
Because I think a lot of people are real hesitant to give up flowers.
Right, as you know, kids like to say.
But the reason why is because they don't feel good about comparing themselves to this person who may be doing better than them.
So there's a feeling like, ah, he's alright, he's alright.
There's a little bit of that, you know, which I don't like that.
deric poston
It doesn't make sense to me either, because watching this game, for the ten years I've been doing it, it's like, oh, like...
Everyone tells me that Sebastian was like, nobody knew that he was going to be one of the biggest arena acts we've ever seen when he first started, when he was coming around.
Yeah, he'd be like, oh, he was good, but you didn't see that for him.
So it's like, oh, there is no point to judge somebody harshly because this game is long.
joe rogan
Yeah, the game's long.
And you figure things out.
I was terrible when I started.
There's no way to not be.
Especially me.
I was socially retarded.
I've been hit in the head 150,000 times.
I mean, there's some fucking issues there.
There are some issues.
I was socially retarded because I spent, like, from age 15 to 21, just did nothing but travel around the country fighting people.
That's all I did.
So my version of young adulthood was very weird.
Like, it was 100% competition.
Yeah. That was all it was.
That's all I did.
deric poston
Well, when you hear Joey talk about you when you were younger, it's like, oh, he was an animal.
You know, like, Joe was just an animal.
Before you apparently started smoking weed, he was like, you were way more different about it.
joe rogan
Have a hard time transitioning into being a regular person.
And I was only an amateur fighter.
You know, I couldn't imagine being a guy like, you know, like Dustin Poirier, who's about to retire.
You know, like transitioning to being a regular person.
He's been this fucking savage.
Killer. For so long.
For so long.
At the highest level.
Like, that's like the highest level in the world.
Inside the octagon.
Knocks out Conor McGregor.
Yeah. And you're like...
And that guy's got to transition to being a regular person.
For me, there was no screaming crowds.
It was weird high school auditoriums and trying to give people concussions.
That's all it was.
That was all it was.
But there was no glory and no money, and it cost me some of my health, you know, for sure.
And fear.
Constantly living in a state of anxiety that you're going to have to fight again soon.
Constantly. Constantly.
And for some weird reason, I was always like, why am I doing this to myself?
I don't have to do this.
Like, this doesn't pay me any money.
I don't have to do it.
Why do I keep signing up to do this?
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deric poston
Did you ever have any ambition to take it to the next level?
joe rogan
Yeah, but there was no money.
I remember I got offered $500 to do a kickboxing fight.
So if I did that kickboxing fight, I couldn't fight amateur anymore.
And I was like, $500.
So then I can't...
Like, if I ever decided to try to compete in the Olympics again...
Because I was trying to get on the national team to compete in the Olympics.
But somewhere along the line...
I got a little disenchanted with Taekwondo and one of the ways that it happened is I started kickboxing and I started getting beat up because my hands were dogshit.
So like I was really good kicking, but if I got into boxing exchanges I was terrible.
My chin was up in the air.
I was fucking swinging punches like a bitch.
It was awful.
I get hit really hard.
If I hit you, you're in trouble, but it was not good.
And so I realized that oh, there's a giant flaw in this like for actual real fights is a giant flaw in this and as soon as I started kickboxing Particularly this friend of mine who was a really good boxer, Dana Rosenblatt.
He was one of my training partners, and he became New England middleweight champion.
He beat Vinny Pazienza in a decision.
He lost him one fight and then beat him in a decision.
He was legit.
He knocked out Howard Davis Jr., who was an Olympic gold medalist.
He's a bad motherfucker and he also when I was training with him made me realize that I didn't really want to do this anymore that I was just doing this because I had done it my whole life And this was like what I decided I was doing that was like not only is there no future in this there's a lot of brain damage coming my way like 100% I'm getting it right now and You know just sparring with Dana me and him sparring.
I don't know how many times we spar but we would beat the fuck out of each other dude damn really oh Oh, it was horrible.
Yeah, I'd go home with headaches.
And if we were in boxing range, he was tuning me up.
So I was always trying to stay on the outside because his hands were way better than mine.
But we cracked each other.
deric poston
You and Dana White would fight?
unidentified
No, no, no, no.
joe rogan
My friend Dana Rose.
deric poston
Okay, I was like...
joe rogan
No, no, no.
deric poston
I heard Dana and I was like...
joe rogan
But if me and Dana were friends, we would do that too.
I sparred with a lot of my friends.
We beat the shit out of each other.
It was horrible.
But that's what you have to do.
You know what the beautiful thing about jujitsu is about kickboxing is you don't have this kind of animosity with your sparring partners.
Because if you're in a good gym, in kickboxing you're always hurting each other.
And he's like, even if you love a guy and you spar with him, you're always hurting each other.
So you always have this thing where you're like, fuck that dude.
That dude gave me a fucking headache.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
You think about getting him back.
Like, you think about it.
He cracked you with the left hook.
You're like, I am going to get him back.
I can't wait to get him back.
Whereas with jujitsu, you can't wait to tap somebody, but you're not hurting each other.
You know, if you get hurt, it's an accident.
The injuries in jujitsu are usually either strain-related or, you know, you didn't tap.
It's either you strained to get out of something, or you pulled yourself the wrong way, or you didn't tap, put it in kickboxing.
Your legs are getting fucked up every day.
Wham! Wham!
No matter what.
And those pads, they help a little.
deric poston
Damn, they're huge, Joe, those pads.
When they look like it, when I watch it, they help a little.
joe rogan
Yeah, if somebody kicks you, like if Israel Adesanya kicks you with one of those pads on, that shit, you can.
You can't believe the kind of agony that's involved in that way to make a living.
So I was only doing it because I didn't know what to do.
But I wasn't the same person that I used to be.
At one point in time, I was just a mad dog.
And then I realized, like, I'm going to get really hurt, and there's no future in this, you know?
deric poston
Wow. Were you already one foot in, one foot out, or did you just stop?
Two feet in, but you were like, I'm done.
joe rogan
You know what it was, really?
I had one fight.
I fought in the Nationals in Anaheim.
And I beat the first guy so I got into the second round and the second guy was this I think he was from Illinois I don't remember but he was like super aggressive and I hit him With the hardest wheel kick I've ever thrown in my life.
It was perfect.
He charged in with a left switch kick.
So he did a hopping roundhouse kick off the left side, and I recognized it right away.
There was a pattern.
He was making this pattern when he was moving.
He would do this thing, and then he would always do this.
He would do this thing, and then he would always do this.
So I saw that pattern, and I said, here it comes.
And so he went with this hopping roundhouse kick.
I countered with this wheel kick.
And I hit him so hard that my heel was sore.
I was limping for days because of the way my heel bounced off his face.
And he face-planted, snoring.
They snore when they go out.
Have you ever seen anybody get knocked out?
deric poston
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
On the internet, of course you have.
I had seen it a few times in the gym.
It's spooky.
It's spooky.
And so my thing that I would always do when I knock somebody out is walk away like it was nothing.
Like, that's what I always do.
Like, that's what I do.
I just, I didn't celebrate.
I just would turn my head and walk away.
And I was talking to my friend, Junkzik, who was, he was U.S. national champion.
He was a training partner of mine.
He was sitting in a seat, and I said, I'll never forget this.
I'm like, is he moving?
He's like, he hasn't gotten up.
And so then they get him an ambulance.
And so they put this kid on a stretcher, and they have him sitting out there for 30 minutes, and he's just on the stretcher for 30 minutes.
And then they bring him in the ambulance, and they take him to the hospital.
And I'm like, yo!
deric poston
When he said he wasn't moving yet, did you feel like...
joe rogan
Yeah, he could be dead.
So this is what scared me.
So I had this trainer, this instructor, who's like one of the best Taekwondo instructors in the world.
And I say to him, you know, what he said to me, he said, he goes, I heard you had a really good knockout at the Nationals.
And I said, yes, sir.
I said, it was kind of scary because I thought for a while that he was dead.
And he goes, sometimes they die.
And he walked away.
I was like, oh, Jesus.
Jesus Christ.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
And he was fucking serious.
He used to train troops in Vietnam.
He was a hardcore dude.
He was hardcore.
deric poston
Oh, my God.
Sometimes they die?
joe rogan
Sometimes they die.
Yeah, I think it was Vietnam where he trained troops.
I forget where he trained troops, but he was like an elite Taekwondo instructor and he was his mind was like His name is Master Jae-hun Kim, and he's the guy who runs the Jae-hun Kim Taekwondo Institute.
That's his business, and that's the place where I came.
He was like one of the few guys that was trained under General Choi Young-yi, who was the founder of Taekwondo.
So there's a handful of black belts that were trained by this one guy.
So it was like a different style.
So their style was very violent and very power-oriented, whereas there was like an Olympic style that was emerged.
That was emerging that was very points oriented.
It was just move fast and like tap and score.
And they would yell and shit like that.
Like every time they'd hit they'd scream out.
And so the Olympic style was more effective at winning tournaments.
And so the best guys were adopting like this Olympic style.
But there was an older style that was just...
Maybe they telegraphed the moves a little bit more, and maybe it was a little slow, but the impact was very different.
Those guys were killers.
They were knocking people unconscious.
It was very scary.
So that's the gym that I grew up in.
So I had this very fortunate place that I just stumbled into.
Yeah, I happen to be like one of the best Taekwondo gyms in the country, especially for generating power Because they like really emphasize heavy back work like he really emphasized heavy back work It's like you have to generate power if you hit somebody and it doesn't hurt.
That's ridiculous You got you know, you gotta be able to hit someone to just pull it them out Would you get into a lot of street fights before this or even before before Taekwondo?
Really? Yeah, I couldn't fight at all.
So why would I get in fights?
I was trying to get away from fights.
I was trying to avoid everybody.
I was terrified.
Wow. So I just got tired of being fucked with because I was a pussy.
Because I would get nervous.
Because I moved around a lot.
I didn't have a lot of friends.
We moved a bunch of times when I was a kid.
So it was always around new kids.
And I wasn't big, so they would fuck with me.
It's just normal.
And I didn't know how to fight, so it bothered the shit out of me.
So I'm like, well, there's only one solution.
You've got to become what you're scared of.
deric poston
So you put yourself into...
You were like, hey, I want to do this.
joe rogan
Yeah, I got a job.
Started working, washing dishes at Newport Creamery.
Got enough money so I could take taekwondo lessons.
deric poston
Holy shit, Joe.
joe rogan
And then I started going every day.
So after a while, he realized it would be better if I was just there all the time instead of working.
And so he gave me a job.
deric poston
I did not know that about you, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah, so I was teaching.
So I started teaching when I was like 15. I was teaching people when I was 15. And then when I was 19, I was teaching at Boston University.
I used to teach a class, accredited class.
It was a pass, fail, A. And I would tell everybody, it would count towards your GPA.
So I'd say, if you come here, you get an A. That's all you have to do.
Just try.
You're going to get an A. And it counts towards your GPA.
And I tell them that at the beginning of the class.
I go, if you can't come, if you can't make it, just call me and tell me that you can't make it, but I want you to come every time you can.
And if you do that, I'm going to get you better.
And we're all going to learn something.
I'm going to really get into this.
So I was really good at teaching.
Wow. I was really, really into teaching.
deric poston
That's how you were in there, in the gym when we work out.
You had that same energy.
So it's like, oh, that came from a place.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, that's what I was doing for a living.
From 18 to 19, I was just teaching.
So what my instructor allowed me to do, I guess I was training after about six months or so, he said,"Look, you could train here for free.
All you have to do is teach private lessons." I was like, great.
So I would teach people, the new people.
I would teach them how to bow.
I would teach them how to tie their gi on.
I would teach them how to stand.
I would teach them different techniques.
And I would go through them and get them so they're ready to join into group classes.
Because you couldn't just go into group classes.
You wouldn't know what you're doing.
They're like front kick.
You're like, looking around.
Someone's got to teach you how to do it.
So it was always like a big deal to let one of your little birds loose into the main class.
You teach them, get their...
Get the front kick going.
Get the side kick going.
They go through a series of private lessons.
I tell them to practice on their own.
Use the mirror.
Give them a bunch of things to think about as they break down the movements.
deric poston
You just literally...
I've seen you do it in there.
That is what the mothership is.
It's really just a fucking dojo to get better.
And everything is about everyone pushing each other to get better and learning together.
It's like, oh my gosh.
You've been on this teacher shit.
joe rogan
Well, that's also what my instructor explained to me when I was really young, too.
I say this all the time.
I even said it on the podcast yesterday.
Martial arts are a vehicle for developing your human potential.
That's what it is.
It's just you're using martial arts as a way to get better at life.
Because this is a really hard thing, and if you could do this really hard thing, other things won't be as hard.
You'll have more mental and physical horsepower for regular everyday life.
You'll have more ability to overcome adversity and weird moments, uncomfortable moments.
You're used to being uncomfortable.
You'll be fine.
It's different.
Wow. Yeah.
deric poston
See, I came up...
I played football, college football.
I was a football player my whole life.
And that was...
joe rogan
That, bro, that was another one for brain damage.
How's your head?
How's your head, dog?
deric poston
I'm addicted to training porn.
There's some problems.
So I got some problems.
I got some demons through it.
But the idea of like, because that's so yourself.
You're dealing with fighting, you're dealing with yourself.
joe rogan
You're always yourself.
deric poston
My whole thing was team.
Team, you get to lean on people.
You're leaning on each other.
And that's what's making you better is how do we play the best as a group.
joe rogan
Right. Well, that's great too.
And I think that's probably more beneficial to society.
It's learning how to play in a team.
My problem was like, you know, when I...
deric poston
Look at Derek!
I was a bad motherfucker, dude.
joe rogan
Look at you, handsome off Finn.
Look at you, so handsome.
You look like a fucking model, dog.
deric poston
Look at you.
That's one of the top high school football schools in the country.
joe rogan
We gotta get you back to looking like that.
You could look like that again.
deric poston
I know.
joe rogan
You just gotta lay off the cards.
deric poston
They're so good.
Oh, they're so good, dude.
joe rogan
Come on.
They're so good.
unidentified
They're so good.
deric poston
And then just, because you stopped, you told me the other day you haven't been drinking again.
You stopped drinking, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's been more than a month now.
A month and some weeks.
deric poston
You walked in and you were like, three weeks off, boys!
joe rogan
Bro, I had all this fucking side fat and belly fat that just went away.
But most importantly, I just feel better.
Like, I never have days where I'm recovering from being drunk.
Like, I sound like shit now because I have allergies, which is hilarious because I always made fun of people.
I was like, they're like, in three to five years, you'll get allergies.
I'm like, shut up, pussy.
I'm not getting these fucking bitch-ass allergies you guys get.
Now, here I am.
Yeah, it's so annoying.
It's so annoying for everybody to be right.
deric poston
My wife gets me on that honey.
If you get honey from a local honey, it gets rid of your allergies.
joe rogan
I've heard that too, but the lady that we had in here that was a beekeeper says it's bullshit.
Not only that, she said a lot of honey that you buy in the store is not really honey.
Yeah, they fuck you.
They put like corn syrup and some fucking this and that.
Yeah, they have fake honey.
deric poston
Fuck, man.
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
deric poston
Is anything real?
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
deric poston
Why would they do that?
joe rogan
China. They're getting us.
They're like, these dummies, they're not gonna check.
deric poston
They're not gonna check.
joe rogan
Do you remember what she said, Jamie?
What percentage she said?
But she did say that a lot of honey was fake honey, right?
deric poston
Bro. It doesn't make sense because that's such a thing that's been natural in my head since the dawn of time, right?
joe rogan
Honey. Have you ever seen those cats in the Himalayas?
Is it Tibet?
Where is it where they get that psychedelic honey?
Called Mad Honey?
Remember, Jamie?
Who brought that in for us?
We did it during the show.
Yeah, we took some Mad Honey during the show.
deric poston
How was the trip?
jamie vernon
Sonny from Best Ever Food Review Show brought it.
joe rogan
Shout out to Sonny.
It wasn't...
I mean...
I was fine.
I really didn't do anything that crazy.
You definitely knew that you were on something.
But he was like, take a little bit.
I'm like, fuck this.
Give me a teaspoon.
I took a whole teaspoon.
I'm like, let's go.
I'm like, I want to go.
Like Joey Diaz always says, I want to meet the devil.
Fuck your microdosing.
I'm trying to meet the devil.
unidentified
You guys are fucking crazy.
joe rogan
I would see you do that before stage.
deric poston
You would take a full nugget of a mushroom.
joe rogan
Don't tell the police.
deric poston
You were eating something.
I don't know what it was.
joe rogan
I think that that is the first thing we have to make legal.
We've got to get Trump on mushrooms.
Just get him to have a little microdose.
He'd be like, I'm really killing the game.
You are killing the game, sir.
Aren't these mushrooms great?
deric poston
Yeah. God, that'd be crazy to see him on mushrooms.
joe rogan
Every politician should be on mushrooms.
All wars would end.
Do you know how crazy that is for me to say that?
And it's also true.
It sounds so stupid, also because it's me and I'm stupid.
But if a scholar, if someone who you really trusted, the pinnacle of science today, said, if we could just get the whole world on mushrooms, all the wars would stop.
deric poston
It's definitely believable.
joe rogan
Everyone would stop dehumanizing people.
Everyone would stop treating people like others.
Everyone would realize, like, oh, wow.
We're really all connected in some bizarre way that's difficult to interface with sometimes.
But we're all connected.
We get selfish and we think about ourself only.
But if we cannot...
That's, like, one of the beautiful things about camaraderie and community.
If you cannot, then you all sort of, like, lock in.
You realize, like, we're all experiencing this thing together.
We're all like one thing that's separated by biology, but our soul, our spirit, whatever it is that is us inside of our meat bag is a soul, and it's connected to all the other souls in some strange way.
And if you can figure out, it's almost like you're listening to some, it's almost like there's jackhammers going off around you, but you hear a really good song in the distance.
Like, God, I can almost hear that song.
deric poston
It's almost beautiful.
unidentified
You know?
joe rogan
Yeah. Like, you ever be in a restaurant and everybody's talking, but there's just some jam is playing on the radio, and you're like, God, I almost hear that song.
deric poston
Yeah, just some Marvin Gaye seeping through.
joe rogan
That's what it's like.
That's what it's like.
I think there's different strategies that people use to try to get there, and I think God is one of them.
Like, even the concept of God, I think what you're trying to do is to get to that place where you recognize, like, through strategies of, like, Tactics of following commandments and having a mindset and and giving all your faith to Jesus and all your faith to you like just by act of doing that what you're doing is you're trying to get Closer and closer to whatever the fuck that that beautiful beautiful song is it's playing amongst all the noise because you know it's there It's
unidentified
just like You hear Oh, man.
deric poston
Yeah. I remember, I don't know who this comic said this, but it was great.
I always talk about this joke, but he said how people think they're Americans or Chinese or whatever, but we're all on this planet.
Like, just zoom out.
Whatever you think you are, just zoom out a little bit.
unidentified
It's a trap.
joe rogan
It's just like the Republican-Democrat trap.
It's just like the Texas-California trap.
Shut up.
We're all just people.
We're all people.
That's one of the beautiful things about traveling.
You meet friends in Scotland.
You meet friends in Ireland.
You meet friends in Australia.
People are just people, man.
We're just all people.
We adapt to whatever our environment is.
We adapt to the culture, the way people sound their words out.
You know?
deric poston
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
I want to fit in.
If you want to fit in, you move to the South, you start saying y'all.
You know?
Have you said y'all yet?
deric poston
Oh, I say y'all.
joe rogan
When did you start?
deric poston
But I'm from Memphis, Tennessee.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
I'm a little southern boy.
Yeah, you've always had a y'all pass.
deric poston
Yeah, I've been a y'all.
joe rogan
I was born in New Jersey and I'm mostly Italian.
For me, y'all is a stretch.
I don't want to be disingenuous.
deric poston
Does it ever come out of you?
joe rogan
No. Never?
For funsies.
Yeah, but it never accidentally comes out.
Like, y'all gonna go?
I'm 57. I say you.
Are you guys?
It's like...
unidentified
Like...
joe rogan
Accents are weird, man.
You don't realize you have them until you hear them and you're like, why do I sound like that?
deric poston
It's impressive when you see people who can do them.
joe rogan
I didn't know I had a...
Deep Boston accent until I was on television for the first time.
When I was 19, I won the Bay State games, and I was on this local TV news thing, and I got a chance to hear myself on TV.
I was like, oh my god, I sound like a fucking idiot.
Like, what is this?
Like, heavy Boston accent.
deric poston
Yeah, you don't have it as bad.
joe rogan
I got rid of it.
Yeah. I'm like, that's a dumbass accent.
deric poston
But then you started talking to everybody with a million different accents on the pod, so I'm sure you've heard all the different versions.
joe rogan
You get neutral after a while, I think.
Your voice gets neutral.
deric poston
But you're not all the way, like, newscaster neutral, where it's just that, and now, that kind of shit.
joe rogan
That's the opposite of comedy, right?
Because that doesn't hypnotize anybody.
deric poston
Oh, no.
When that guy's talking to the news, like, this is a presentation from NBC News.
joe rogan
Look at my tie.
Look at the pocket square.
deric poston
I'm serious.
I'm a serious person.
joe rogan
Most of those guys are freaks.
That's what I love when those guys get caught.
deric poston
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Those guys are just doing coke and banging hookers.
deric poston
In a harem of gay men.
It's insane the things they do.
joe rogan
Punching valets or animals.
deric poston
But on television, I present the news.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, they're wearing a cock ring.
Fucking freaks.
All those people that pretend to be proper, those are the ones you gotta keep your eye on.
deric poston
Yeah, they never have real opinions either.
It's all just whatever.
It's just a job.
joe rogan
Bill Cosby was the guy who pushed the most for clean comedy.
deric poston
Yeah, isn't that crazy?
joe rogan
Is it though?
Is it, though?
Like, scolding everybody for their language and their subject matter?
He would scold comedians.
deric poston
That Eddie Murphy bit is so good, though, when he told Richard Pryor that Bill Cosby, he's like, you making money?
Yeah. Are the people laughing?
joe rogan
People laugh.
Do you get paid?
unidentified
Tell Bill to have a coconut smile and shut the fuck up.
That's one of the greatest jokes of all time, dude.
deric poston
It's so good.
joe rogan
Well, it's so good, too, because Eddie Murphy could do such good impressions.
Yeah. Yeah.
deric poston
And all the accents.
joe rogan
He's another one.
Like, let's just stop doing comedy.
Like, Eddie Murphy would have been bigger than all of them.
All the arena acts we were talking about before, Eddie Murphy would have been bigger.
Bigger. Bro, he was so good.
He was so powerful.
Go back and watch Delirious.
Oh, my God.
He was, like, 20. Hey, that's what's crazy.
deric poston
Whenever I do watch Delirious, I'm like...
He was, like, 20. And he's got full command of this, what, 4,000-seater?
5,000-seater?
unidentified
Murdering. Wearing a leather jumpsuit or some shit.
deric poston
Chest out.
Fucking abs out, dude.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Yeah. It's crazy.
But it's interesting.
People, the paths they choose in life, you know?
deric poston
Movies. Movies to be calling.
joe rogan
I think it's a velvet prison.
deric poston
Yeah, I've heard you say that to Hassan once about writing jobs.
He's like, it's a velvet prison.
joe rogan
That's another velvet prison.
But, like, I'm sure Damon Wayans had a good time making all those TV shows, but wouldn't it have been amazing to see him being this guy that's, like, selling out arenas all over the world?
Like, that's where it should be.
deric poston
He would still be doing it right now.
joe rogan
He could do it right now.
He could just abandon all that TV nonsense right now and go back to it and still be one of the best alive.
You know that guy records like every show?
He has a camera that he takes with him on a tripod.
He sets it up, he records every fucking show, and he puts them all on his computer.
He goes,"I've been doing this since'94." I'm like,"Wow!" Yeah.
deric poston
That's so many.
And how many specials does he have?
He doesn't have.
joe rogan
No. Doesn't have a lot of specials.
deric poston
Yeah. Compared to other guys where you see- Not compared to how good he is.
Doesn't make sense.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's crazy.
You just, you know, someone's paying you, you go, you enjoy your work, you like it.
You know, there's nothing wrong with those decisions.
It's obviously very successful.
But, you know, you've got to think.
When you see guys like Schultz selling out arenas and Burt selling out arenas and Tony selling out arenas, it's like, don't you want to get in on that?
I'm like, come on, man.
Talk to me, Damon.
I'll help you.
deric poston
Oh, my God.
That'd be sick to see him make a comeback.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'd love to see him do that.
I just think, after a while, do you really want to work for somebody?
Do you really want to show up?
Read the script and do the table.
I mean, do you want to do that?
No. Fuck.
deric poston
I love just showing up 8 o'clock.
Oh, man.
Get up four or five times in a night.
Oh, there's nothing.
I love it, dude.
I mean, the idea of doing some stuff seems fun, but to make it my...
I saw Seinfeld say that.
He was like, man, we have one of the few jobs where people want this job.
Very rarely do I see it.
There's no job where I'm like, I'd really like to be that.
This is the job.
joe rogan
It's one of them, that's for sure.
Rockstar's probably the big one.
deric poston
Rockstar's probably the biggest?
joe rogan
See the Rockstar thing?
They could sing the same ass song every night forever.
Like, if you're the Rolling Stones, you could still sing Brown Sugar.
Nope. Can't sing it anymore!
Can't sing that one!
They don't sing Brown Sugar anymore.
unidentified
No! Come on!
joe rogan
Bro, you ever see the lyrics to Brown Sugar?
deric poston
What are the actual lyrics?
joe rogan
What is it, Joseph?
There's a reason why they don't sing it anymore.
It's a great song.
Don't get me wrong.
It's still on my Spotify playlist.
But if you...
I think it is.
I might have pulled it out.
I might have got scared.
Wait till you see the lyrics.
deric poston
That playlist is crazy long.
joe rogan
It's great.
deric poston
We get turnt up in there.
joe rogan
Yeah, we do.
I think that playlist is like 35 hours long now.
deric poston
You keep adding to it.
joe rogan
I keep adding to it.
I love it.
33. 33 hours and 49 minutes.
deric poston
I love when we're in there and then I'll be like, who the fuck is playing this?
And I'll look at me just like...
unidentified
It's like, Joe, who got you on the Black Panther album?
joe rogan
You'll just listen to some random shit.
deric poston
Hey, who got you on this?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, I love a good random shit.
Like, if I'm in a bar and I hear some cool random song, I love, like, that's why I love that Shazam app.
Ooh, that's so nice.
Here it is.
Yeah, Gold Coast slave ship bound for cotton fields, sold in a market down in New Orleans.
Scarred old slaver knows he's doing all right.
Hear him whip the women just around midnight.
Brown sugar, how come you taste so good?
Brown sugar, just like a young girl should.
Yeah, yeah.
Drums beating, cold English blood runs hot.
Lady of the house wondering if...
Wondering where it's gonna stop.
Houseboy knows that he's doing all right.
You should have heard him just around midnight.
This song's horrific.
deric poston
This song's crazy!
joe rogan
Brown sugar, how come you taste so good?
Brown sugar, just like a young girl should.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Get down on the ground, brown sugar.
How come you taste so good?
Get down, get down, brown sugar, just like a young girl should.
I bet your mama was a tent show queen and all her boyfriends were sweet 16. I'm no schoolboy, but I know...
This song's crazy.
deric poston
He was fucking...
Mick Jagger was losing his mind!
joe rogan
This is a crazy song.
To write all this down.
Slave ship?
Did you say slave ship?
deric poston
Slave ship?
joe rogan
Just like a young girl ship.
What are you...
deric poston
What? That brown sugar you taste so good?
joe rogan
Sold in a market?
What? And then scroll down a little bit.
This was another one.
I'm not sure what they're saying here.
Hold on.
Scroll down a little bit.
Oh, yeah.
I bet your mama was a tent show queen.
deric poston
What does that mean?
joe rogan
What does that mean?
deric poston
What the fuck does that mean?
joe rogan
What is a tent show queen?
What's a tent show?
deric poston
Well, whatever it is, she's getting fucked.
joe rogan
Something horrible is happening.
deric poston
Whatever's happening in that tent.
joe rogan
That song is crazy.
So they don't play that song anymore when you go see the Stones.
deric poston
You saw them.
You've seen them live, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, bro.
You see them live, you can't believe they're really there.
You're like, is that really them?
It just seems so strange.
A tent show.
deric poston
Yeah, they're probably one of the, if not...
They're definitely one of the biggest bands of all time.
joe rogan
Tent shows are a generic term for traveling shows that pitch tents.
So a tent show queen would have been a featured performer, probably in a vaudeville act, if the song is progressing forward in time.
The fact that she had a 16-year-old's boyfriend suggests she's either extremely sexually liberal or, more likely, prostituting herself.
If she's prostituting herself, the power dynamic is reiterated.
A black woman at the Mercy...
Of paying white men?
Huh? What kind of fucking scholarly take on this?
deric poston
Yeah, I know as long as that.
joe rogan
What is that?
What are they saying?
This is so weird.
deric poston
No, that's fucking crazy.
joe rogan
There's a weird definition.
jamie vernon
Yeah, there's a website that gives you insight on lyrics.
It's crowdsourced, but doesn't necessarily mean it's accurate.
joe rogan
Oh, I see.
I see.
Because I'm reading this.
I'm like, the power dynamic is reiterated.
What? A black woman at the mercy of paying white men.
She advertises herself during the show and then sleeps on the side.
deric poston
What is that?
joe rogan
I'm not, you know.
deric poston
Those shows, though.
You ever seen any of those?
Those black box shows?
joe rogan
People used to be monsters.
They were monsters.
They were monsters.
Carnies would come into town.
These carnival people would rob everybody and steal and probably murder.
Just dirty people traveling around trying to stay alive and conning people out of their money.
You know, the bearded lady.
She's got fucking glued hair stuck to her face.
What did I pay to see?
deric poston
They still do that shit.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
deric poston
You ever heard of this place called The Box in London?
And they have one in New York, too, but The Box?
No. Schultz took me, this fucking psychopath.
We go to The Box.
After we do Royal Albert Hall, it's a great night.
We go to The Box around 2 a.m.
That's when the show starts.
Real? It's one of those kind of shows.
joe rogan
2 a.m.?
deric poston
2 a.m.
They take your phone, they lock it up.
Whoa. Joe, there's people shitting on stage and rubbing themselves in shit and fucking each other on stage.
What? And putting crazy, huge dildo rods in each other.
joe rogan
Are you getting anybody in trouble by saying this?
deric poston
No, this is an organized business.
joe rogan
This is legal?
deric poston
They have multiple of these.
The box, yep, that's it.
joe rogan
And they were shitting on each other?
deric poston
Shitting on...
Joe! Shitting on each other.
joe rogan
Did you worry about getting shit on you while you were there?
How close were you to these people?
deric poston
We had like a nice little booth.
Luckily we were with Schultz.
joe rogan
You gotta know when to panic and get out of the building if shit starts flying around.
deric poston
Oh, dude, it was crazy.
unidentified
Once people start shitting in public, like, I'm out.
deric poston
I can watch this online.
joe rogan
I don't have to be here in person.
deric poston
That night was great.
I was ready to fight because I was about to fight Schultz and them.
I walked in, and there's trannies, there's all kinds of people in there.
Right when I walk in, a big dude, dressed like a woman, but a dude, I mean, ripped, just fucking reached for my balls and dick as we're walking in.
joe rogan
Oh, boy.
deric poston
Oh, yo, what the fuck, man?
But nobody else sees this happen.
And then he keeps walking.
And now I'm on 10. I'm like, oh, what the fuck?
You're not having fun anymore.
Now I'm ready to fight.
This is crazy.
This guy just, like, trying to touch my dick.
What the fuck is going on?
joe rogan
Kevin Spacey.
deric poston
Yeah. And they think Kevin Spacey'd me.
He fucking Kevin Spacey.
joe rogan
I think amongst that community, that is a common way of saying hello.
deric poston
Oh, it was working for him.
I saw him later, fucking pretty much having sex with the guy later.
joe rogan
You just gotta take a chance.
You look like a gay guy is what he's trying to say.
deric poston
I think he saw the flagrant.
joe rogan
He thinks you're beautiful.
Maybe he did see that.
deric poston
That's what Schultz said later.
joe rogan
Probably. Mm-hmm.
Yeah. Probably saw that out.
deric poston
I didn't know.
So I'm hot.
joe rogan
Let's go.
deric poston
I'm on 10. But they think I'm on 10 because everyone's gay.
So Schultz and them are like, Derek, you got to stop being homophobic, man.
Like, it's just a weird show.
And I was like, I'm about to fucking kill you guys.
Like, I tried to grab my dick.
And it was just a horror.
It was like a curb your enthusiasm level of miscommunication.
But, I mean, it was one of the...
I've never been more mad.
Really? The idea of a grown man touching my dick physically like that, it was just...
joe rogan
It's very disrespectful.
deric poston
I don't like being disrespected like that.
It's scary.
It's scary.
joe rogan
Well, imagine being a woman and that happens.
deric poston
That's what I was thinking.
joe rogan
That's how I felt.
That's reality.
There's bad people out there.
You know?
Guys grabbing asses in bars and...
Beating up boyfriends.
Yeah, you gotta be careful.
You can run into the wrong dudes.
You know how people are jealous of, you know, other comic success?
Well, that ain't shit compared to, like, the way ugly dudes are jealous of handsome guys with a good-looking girl.
You know?
Then that guy becomes the enemy.
Look at his fucking pussy.
Look at this fucking pussy with that girl.
Look at her at that fucking pussy.
And all those mutts, they all get together and speak mutt language.
Yeah, fuck him.
Probably from out of town.
Probably from that other piece of dirt where all those pussies live.
Where you from, pussy?
From that pussy town?
deric poston
Just another town over?
joe rogan
Down the road.
Some fucking rival baseball team that beat them when they were in seventh grade and they still haven't let go of it.
deric poston
Yeah, dude.
They get pissed.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a lot of idiots in the world, man.
They all need mushrooms.
All of them.
deric poston
They all need mushrooms.
joe rogan
Yeah. Yeah, mushrooms would make you, you'd abandon all that towny shit.
You'd be like, what?
Oh my god, this is so silly.
deric poston
Yeah, you realize how big the world is.
joe rogan
Yeah, I picked such a small camp.
unidentified
A town of 2200 in the middle of Nebraska.
joe rogan
Trying to start fights with the people from Des Moines.
Yeah. Fucking Iowa faggots.
People are so silly.
They're so silly.
deric poston
God, how fast would you have kicked that guy into oblivion if he tried to grab your dick like that?
joe rogan
Well, you don't want to just escalate right to, like, extreme violence.
deric poston
That's what I told Shulson.
They were like, wow, you look so angry.
And I was like, bro, I was on, you know, you hit that point where it's like, I'm not having fun anymore.
I'm here now.
joe rogan
You gotta be careful, man.
People get stabbed.
People get shot.
Extreme violence should be reserved for really defending yourself.
Yeah. You have to defend yourself.
You have to know you're actually being attacked.
deric poston
That guy was literally trying to have this guy on Molly.
I'm sure he's drugged up.
You're on Molly.
You're on this.
You're on that.
Cocaine. And you're fucking dressed like a fairy.
joe rogan
You should never exchange violence with someone unless you fucking have to.
You shouldn't do it.
Avoid it at all.
That's why I never had any street fights.
Like, avoid it at all.
I mean, I had like one in high school.
I had two.
Two in high school.
They were nothing, though.
No big deal.
But then once I started competing, I was done with all that.
Yeah. But if you do tune somebody up, like they die sometimes.
Like what my instructor was saying is true, especially in the real world because people fall and they hit their head on the concrete.
That happens.
People die like that all the time.
They get knocked out, their head bounces off the concrete, and then they're dead.
Yeah. It's like getting a giant rock dropped on your head from like a second story building.
Yeah. Think about what the earth is.
You know, like the earth, like the concrete is immobile and so hard.
And all of the weight of your 200 plus pound body falls backwards and your head bounces off that concrete.
And it's the most sickening sound.
deric poston
God, you hear it all the time on that mat when people get knocked out.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's like way safer than getting knocked out on the concrete.
But yeah, I do hear it all the time.
It bothers the shit out of me when I see someone's head bounce.
When they get KO'd and their head bounces off the ground, I'm like, oh!
Bro, did you ever see the one when Josh Emmett knocks out Bryce Mitchell?
Oh my god, dude.
It's one of the worst one-punch knockouts in the history of the sport.
He knocks him out and Bryce Mitchell's legs are twitching and he's like locked up completely out cold.
And when he goes down...
Now imagine someone gets hit like that on the street and you fall back like that on concrete.
So not only do you get destroyed by the punch, but then you get destroyed again by the earth covered in concrete.
Bouncing off the back of your head with all the weight of your body and leverage to the back.
The head is the first thing that hits.
Your head flies back and all this weight is bang!
Watch this.
This is a crazy knockout, dude.
deric poston
It's so fast you don't even really see it.
joe rogan
Look at his legs start shaking.
Yeah, you hear DC saying he's shaking.
He's shaking, Joe.
deric poston
Oh my god, flush.
joe rogan
Flush. And Josh Emmett is a little tank.
I mean, he's 145 pounds for about 5 seconds until he weighs in.
Then he probably weighs about 170 and he hits like a fucking mule.
Look at this.
Boom! Look at the back of that motherfucker.
Look how he's built, man.
And imagine how much force is involved in that guy punching you in the face.
deric poston
Oh! The craziest one I ever seen live was we were together.
We were in Phoenix.
And it was when Tony Chandler kicked...
Tony Ferguson?
joe rogan
Oh my god.
deric poston
That's one of the scariest ones.
I remember I was, because I was high too, so I was like...
joe rogan
You watch his soul leave his body, come back, spiral back down into his...
deric poston
It was scary.
I remember how scared I was for this grown man of like, oh my god, he hasn't moved, and he just seen that, that!
joe rogan
Oh my god.
deric poston
I saw that live.
joe rogan
That might be one of the best front kicks of all time.
That's perfect.
The technique is perfect.
deric poston
I mean, and that's a real picture.
That's a lie that he made his face look like that.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
He looks like...
Like a grandpa in a Pixar movie.
unidentified
Doesn't he?
deric poston
But, oh, that was a scary...
That was the scariest one I've seen, but my favorite knockout I've ever seen was that...
I mean, we were all in the green room.
I don't know if you were there for this one, but it was Whitney's weekend.
It was like 12, 15 of us in that green room, and it was when Izzy knocked out Poetan.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
That was the greatest celebration of all time.
deric poston
At all?
joe rogan
All the time.
deric poston
Fortify your mind!
That line sticks with me.
joe rogan
Not just that.
The whole thing from beginning to end.
The three arrows into his body while he was down.
deric poston
Breaks it.
joe rogan
Yeah. Izzy looks at his son and then falls on his back to mock his son because his son had mocked him.
unidentified
Years ago.
joe rogan
That's how petty he is.
Years ago.
It was Kill Bill level revenge.
So he looks at his son and he falls down like the kid did.
A little kid.
deric poston
And then he pops back up.
joe rogan
Then he pops back up and then he gives the best post-fight speech.
In the history of the sport.
deric poston
It was like he wrote it already.
I remember how beautiful it was.
joe rogan
I wish you could feel this one time!
deric poston
In your life!
joe rogan
Yeah. Here it is.
Oh. Now watch this.
unidentified
God! I mean, it hyped you up, dude.
joe rogan
Bro. And then watch as he finds his son.
Remembers. He remembers.
Look, he points to you.
Look. You, you, you, you.
Check this out.
deric poston
That kid's like seven years old.
That's fucking...
unidentified
That's so petty.
That's so petty.
joe rogan
That is so petty.
He remembered.
unidentified
Found him.
Oh, yeah.
deric poston
He's like, oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Check this out.
deric poston
Motherfucker, I forgot.
Now, Joe, was he lulling him?
joe rogan
No, he was getting fucked up.
deric poston
He was really getting fucked up.
joe rogan
Okay. Yeah, his leg...
He told me that his leg was getting compromised already.
One of the things in the first fight, so the first fight in the UFC...
Poeton wins and he wins by stoppage and Izzy said I wasn't even really hurt.
I just couldn't move because he had fucked my leg up so much I couldn't get out of the way of his punches.
He's like but I wasn't hurt.
Like, real badly hurt to the point where he's wobbling.
He's like, my leg wasn't working.
He kicked the shit out of his leg.
His calf kicks are so nasty.
He's like, out of all the people in the sport, he's the worst guy to have kick your calves.
Because he sneaks them in.
And there's two and three, and before you know it, ah, fuck.
My leg don't work anymore.
And now you're trying to get away.
deric poston
And it's teeing off.
joe rogan
And you've got one leg, and you're trying to dance and pretend.
So you're putting all the weight on this leg.
So you're trying to pretend like you've got two legs.
But he can tell.
He could tell.
Thud. He hits it again.
Thud. So he had Izzy in real trouble, but he opened up too much.
He just opened up too much.
And, you know, in order to close in on someone and bang them out, you've got to leave yourself exposed sometimes.
There's risks to reward, right?
And the cautious, patient thing to do is you throw a lot of feints and then you throw your shots in.
But he was just teeing off at this point.
And when you're just teeing off...
You're assuming that the guy's incapable of countering to a certain extent.
Or not that he's incapable, you're taking the risk of getting countered.
Whereas if he just kept playing that game and fainting and moving and slowly picking and poking, he just charged in a little too much.
He thought Izzy was hurt more than he was.
And then Izzy got him.
deric poston
That right hand.
joe rogan
He got him.
deric poston
Just fucking.
joe rogan
One of the greatest knockouts of all time.
Especially when you think about the significance of it and you think about historically two great champions.
One guy who had knocked him out in kickboxing and then knocked him out in the UFC and then he knocks him out cold and gets petty.
And then after petty gets super inspirational.
Yeah. And gives one of the greatest post-fight speeches of all time.
I think the greatest.
I don't think there's ever been a better one.
Oh, maybe.
Maybe Rose Namajunas.
That was right up there, too.
That one made me cry.
deric poston
Yeah, I remember that.
Yeah, yeah.
She's sick.
She's a badass, too, dude.
But yeah, that Izzy one, man.
That's... I mean, he's the reason I never...
He got me into the idea of UFC.
I never...
Before he got into...
Because he was into the nerd stuff.
Yeah. And I couldn't believe that there was a guy who was being like, yo, I'm a nerdy dude.
I like nerd shit.
Yeah. And I'm kicking the fuck out of people.
And that got me locked in.
joe rogan
And also like a sweetheart.
Sweetheart of a guy.
So fun.
Just to hang out with and shoot the shit.
He's silly.
He's fun.
deric poston
Oh, dude.
joe rogan
He's playful.
You know, he's just a real good guy.
Real smart.
deric poston
Oh, he took us to a club when we were in Brisbane with me and Schultz and him.
unidentified
Oh, no shit.
deric poston
And we just danced until like 3 in the morning.
Just fucked up.
unidentified
Oh, that's cool.
deric poston
It was awesome.
He took us to like some local spot that he likes, you know.
unidentified
Oh, that's awesome.
deric poston
But he's the man, dude.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
deric poston
He's just the fucking man.
But yeah, the nerd shit made me lock in.
joe rogan
It's really interesting how different those guys are.
I mean, like we were talking about like Dustin Poirier, like having a regular life.
Like the same thing with Izzy.
Like how do you have a regular life after you did that?
You did that.
You did that in front of the whole world.
The whole world was watching.
There were so many consequences on that.
Because he was winning that first fight.
He was winning.
He was ahead on points.
And then the fourth round, it was the fourth or the fifth where he got put out.
It was devastating.
This motherfucker got him again.
Because he got robbed in the first kickboxing fight.
Izzy got robbed, in my opinion.
I watched that fight several times.
Robbed is a tough...
Description, but I would say I do not agree with the decision.
I think Izzy won that kickboxing fight.
And then the second kickboxing fight, Izzy had him on skates.
Izzy had him hurt at one point in time, but he recovered, and then he caught Izzy with a left hook from hell.
Just a left hook from hell.
That motherfucker hit so hard, dude.
deric poston
Yeah, it looks scary.
joe rogan
He hit so hard, and he wasn't as big back then as he is now.
A lot of strength and conditioning work since then.
He doesn't look the same.
Like then as he does now.
Now he looks way more strong.
And so he knocks him out and then they fight in the UFC and he knocks him out again.
And then Izzy finally knocks him out.
deric poston
It was awesome.
joe rogan
And then puts the arrows in his body for the three times he beat him.
deric poston
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
He said that was like he didn't even think of that.
He just did three.
He just felt like doing three.
But it was really the three times he beat him.
deric poston
And it just came out of his body.
joe rogan
It just came out of his body.
unidentified
This motherfucker got me three times!
deric poston
Oh, I don't know who was on stage that night, but we ruined their set because they came on stage like, oh yeah, you just, I'm in the middle of a joke and you just hear 30 people in the green room go, and I thought, Whitney too!
All of us!
Because it was just, oh, this is a moment, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
deric poston
And you can feel it, just the way he did it, and then when he's yelling.
But that's one of the most inspiring, that speech.
Whenever I'm working out or doing anything, that Fortify Your Mind, it plays in my head.
Fortify Your Mind.
joe rogan
Jamie played that for us one time.
It's like one of the greatest speeches of all time.
And, you know, he asked me for the microphone, too.
deric poston
He did.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was like, yeah, man.
People! Earth!
deric poston
I need to say something.
Listen to me.
alex pereira
I hope every one of you behind your screens or in this arena can feel this level of happiness just one time in your life.
unidentified
I hope all of you can feel how fucking happy I am just one time in your life.
But guess what?
alex pereira
You'll never feel this level of happiness if you don't go for something in your own life.
unidentified
When they knock you down.
When they try and shit on you.
When they talk shit about you.
joe rogan
And they try and put their foot on your neck.
alex pereira
If you stay down, you will never ever get that resolve.
unidentified
Fortify your mind.
And feel this level of happiness as you rise.
One time in your life.
But I'm blessed to be able to feel this shit again and again and again and again and again.
joe rogan
I mean, fuck, man.
deric poston
Damn. While you rise.
I mean, it sounds like something from a movie, like a speech before war.
joe rogan
It sounds like 15 writers sat in a room and came up with the perfect lines.
Yeah. And then...
deric poston
If that was in the movie Gladiator, I'd be like, oh yeah, that's how good that is.
joe rogan
And I bet that just came out of the moment.
I didn't even ask him.
I should have asked him next time I talked to him.
I bet that just came right out of the moment.
It was just right there.
It was a perfect event.
for him was perfect the way it went down was perfect you couldn't you never script that better in a movie no to see him flattened out out cold and then put arrows in his Bro,
Alex Pereira is the scariest kickboxer that's ever competed in the sport.
He's like the one guy above all that I would say if he hits you once you're dead.
He just has to hit you once.
And all the guys I've ever seen fight, I don't think anybody I could say that more than that guy.
Including in kickboxing.
In everything.
He has more power than anybody I've ever seen.
In fact...
deric poston
Even boxing?
joe rogan
I don't think I've seen anybody that hits harder than that guy.
Anybody. Ever.
Ever. Ever.
Except Francis Ngannou.
But Francis Ngannou's 265.
You know what I'm saying?
But in weight class, like weight class to weight class, Francis can put anybody out too.
But he's not at the same skill level as Poetan.
So when Poetan does it, it's like when he switch-kicked Yuri Prohaska and KO'd him at the beginning of the second round.
Jesus Christ!
What the fuck, man?
deric poston
And he KO'd him already at the end of the first round!
joe rogan
Yeah, just terrifying.
That dude's terrifying.
Just absolutely terrifying.
That power is just from God.
It's like he's got a gift.
He's got a weird gift that's just different.
You know, there's this machine where you punch it and it registers the amount of power.
With Francis, it was like 130-something.
Something like that, right?
Francis was like 130-something.
Poetan got 191.
191. With his right hand, and I don't even think his right hand's his power punch.
I think it's his left hook that's the big one.
I bet the big one, the left hook is over 191.
It's bananas.
His power, it's not like anybody else.
So when Izzy knocked that guy out, that, you gotta understand, that's different.
deric poston
That's awesome.
joe rogan
That's different.
Like, that's the top of the mountain.
That's the top of the mountain in the sport.
It's like one of the greatest accomplishments in the sport.
deric poston
Yeah. It really is.
Would you say Powhatan is the fastest rise you've ever seen in the UFC?
joe rogan
Ever. To two division world champions?
Yeah. No one's even close.
Because that guy never says no.
They call him up.
You want to fight next weekend?
unidentified
Yes. He just fights.
joe rogan
He fought with a broken toe.
He fought a broken hand the last time.
His hand was broken and he had a norovirus.
And he still fought.
deric poston
Yeah, he's terrifying.
joe rogan
He's crazy.
deric poston
I remember when he came to the mothership and they were like, the security was like, it was terrifying because he was like, I want to meet Joe now.
And security were like, I don't know what to do.
joe rogan
Yo, me and DC were in the hallway upstairs in the mothership, and he's teaching us how he checks the calf kick.
How he throws the calf kick different than everybody else, and he's having Polino, his coach, is translating.
So it was me and DC, and we're both standing there, and you know that little area where the elevator is, where the VIP is?
So we're standing there, and this little crowded area is like five of us, and Poetan's kicking my legs, and he's kicking DC's legs, and he's explaining how he lifts his leg up this way, and this is how he checks it, and you're like, oh, shit.
And both DC and I, would we tell people about this?
Like, I don't even know if I want to give this up.
deric poston
Yeah, give this information.
joe rogan
Because this is, like, very good information.
Wow. Like, he never gets hurt with calf kicks.
And the way he checks them, he does, like, a hacky sack thing.
A lot of people are doing it now.
But he was, like, one of the first guys to figure that out.
That he does like this hacky sack move.
So when you go to kick his legs, instead of just checking it, where he turns it into the kick, he lifts his leg up and his leg just kind of goes like this and the kick just goes wee!
It just kind of grazes it.
So it never pounds on his calf the way he pounds on theirs.
deric poston
When it's just straight and boom, you're getting that.
Force while you're playing it.
joe rogan
But he also has a different style like he's not heavy on the front leg because he like some guys are heavy on the front leg because they want to take him down quick So they want to be able to like move and take him down and those are the guys are gonna have a harder time getting away from that kick Because you got so much weight on that leg.
So we just thud Thud.
Thud. And then now your calf is numb.
Your foot is limp.
Your foot's just dangling around your ankle.
deric poston
Oh, that guy's terrifying, dude.
joe rogan
And again, like, how does a guy like that go and become a regular person?
How do you integrate and just be a regular guy after that?
Yeah. It's gotta be very weird.
Like, Schaub's figured it out.
Yeah. But Schaub got lucky that he found podcasting, you know?
And he, you know, found his car show.
All gas, no brakes.
So he found a way to transition and still have a good time.
deric poston
Yeah, very few guys.
Because you see, I remember just the era of watching Tyson go from fighting to finding a rhythm.
Yeah. You know, and being in movies.
joe rogan
So there's like fighters, like Shaw, elite fighter, you know, top 10 heavyweight in the UFC.
But then there's champions, world champions.
Guys who sell out arenas, pay-per-view stars.
Like Conor.
How's that guy go and be a regular person?
How do you do that?
deric poston
You can't.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like...
I mean, there's no coaches for that, where they teach you how to reintegrate and become normal.
deric poston
Yeah. RIP George Foreman, man.
He feels like the only one who was like, he found the grill and was like, dude, I'm fucking chilling.
joe rogan
We made a lot of money with that grill.
unidentified
But he also came back when he was 36. Yeah, and won it again, didn't he?
joe rogan
Yeah. He went all the way through until he was 45 and he knocked out Michael Moore.
Which is crazy.
Like, nobody did that back then.
When he came back at 36, I remember news articles about it, and I remember feeling sad because I knew George Foreman when I was a child.
Like, George Foreman on TV when he knocked out Joe Frazier, when Ali beat him in Africa.
That was a famous story because Hunter S. Thompson went there.
And he was supposed to watch it and write a story for Rolling Stone about it, but he was so sad that Ali was going to get fucked up that he decided not to go to the fight.
So he stayed in his hotel and just floated around the pool, and he fucked up the whole assignment.
And in the documentary, they say it was kind of like a pivotal moment in the downturn of his life, where he kind of fucked his life up.
Really? Yeah, because he failed in his assignment.
And back then, you couldn't watch the tape.
We're talking about the 1970s.
So after the fight's over, the fight's over.
You missed the fight.
You don't have a story.
And so he didn't have a story.
And he went all the way to Africa and just fucked off because he was just being silly.
And they're like, oh my god, I'm a failure.
I failed in my story.
And it was like a downturn.
And his life kind of takes a dark turn after that.
deric poston
God, it's crazy how much, because you hear that, and it's that speech that Ali gave, which is also one of the most inspiring things ever when he's like, I know you got him picked.
I know you all got him picked.
You know where he gets that one?
I'll show you how great I am.
And it's like, wow, to hear that.
Even Hunter S. Thompson was like, oh wow, every casual must have been like, oh, Ali's about to get fucking.
joe rogan
I understand, man.
George Foreman was a machine.
He was different.
You ever seen George Foreman punch the heavy bag?
No. Bro, he punches the heavy bag different than everybody.
Because he winds up.
Not only does he wind up and punch the heavy bag, he has it stay still.
And he just hits it so hard.
And it's so terrifying that that's all he has to do in a boxing match.
He just has to kind of cover up and get close enough to just whomp you.
Just whomp, whomp.
And a lot of it is arm punches.
Look at this.
Listen to this.
Give me some volume.
unidentified
And he had a trainer, Dick Sadler, a tiny by comparison to Foreman.
And Sadler would hang on to the heavy bag.
But Foreman would hit this bag.
Sadler would just literally be picked off his feet.
deric poston
Oh, my God.
unidentified
Foreman hitting the heavy bag is one of the more prodigious sights I've had in my life.
It seems to me that of all the people I've seen hitting heavy bags, including Sonny Liston, No one ever hit it the way four
Look at this.
Listen to this.
joe rogan
So all he's practicing is hitting hard.
He's not trying to be slick.
You notice the difference?
Yeah. The way like Canelo hits the heavy bag or Floyd hits the heavy bag.
They're working skills.
deric poston
Remember when you see Tyson do it and that head is going crazy.
joe rogan
Tyson hit the heavy bag better than anybody in the history of the world.
Better than anybody.
Because he hit the heavy bag with all these crazy angles and speed.
Speed like a lightweight.
Speed like a lightweight.
deric poston
It's bouncing.
joe rogan
214 pounds moving like a lightweight.
Nobody was like that, dude.
I still maintain he's the greatest.
I think, you know, a lot of people shit on me.
They say, no way.
You don't know shit about boxing.
I just think that run, when Cus D'Amato was training him to the title, Cus was already dead when he won the title, to like a few fights afterwards.
Losing Cus, he lost his way a little bit.
But that run, when he was the man, when he knocked out Marvis Frazier, I think that's the greatest heavyweight of all time.
I don't think anybody's even close.
I think he fucks them all up.
I think he fucks them all up if they fight him during that time.
deric poston
People like to discredit things because of the whole career, but they don't want to give credit to a run.
When you see somebody have a run that's truly...
joe rogan
It's all about the run.
It's all about the run.
Unreal. That's why I always put BJ Penn in the list of all-time greats.
Because during that run, when BJ Penn beat up Diego Sanchez, and when BJ Penn fucked up Sean Shirk, and Joe Daddy Stevenson, when he did that, I'm like, that BJ Penn might be the baddest motherfucker alive.
He might be the baddest motherfucker alive.
I would have put that B.J. Penn, I would have loved to see that B.J. Penn versus Khabib.
That would have been fucking crazy.
And a lot of people think that's a ridiculous thing to say because Khabib was so dominant and B.J. lost a bunch of times.
I'm like, you're right.
Argument, I accept.
I mean, I'm not...
Khabib might have beat him.
He might have taken him down and mauled him the same way George St. Pierre did.
He might have.
Khabib's a big guy.
Especially for lightweight and his grappling skills are unparalleled.
Khabib grapples and does fantastic with elite world championship caliber amateur wrestlers.
I've heard stories of Khabib dominating guys in the gym at AKA that are elite wrestlers.
That's how good Khabib is.
So he might have been able to do that to BJ Penn.
But BJ Penn might have got him too.
BJ Penn.
B.J. Penn might have got him.
B.J. Penn, especially when he was training with the Marinovichs, and he had an unstoppable gas tank.
Yeah. Because he went and trained with Marv Marinovich, who was like this psychopath football trainer, who had these radical plyometric training methods, and all you did was strength and conditioning.
It was like, you know how to fight.
Stop all this fight training.
We're just going to get you in the most enchained state possible.
And when they did that, BJ Penn was unstoppable.
That BJ Penn, if somebody could have corralled him and got him to stay with that guy and then train all his skills outside of camp and then only train that way when he had his world title fights and never fuck off, who knows, man?
Who knows?
He could have been the GOAT.
He was so talented, man.
So talented.
That motherfucker, BJ Penn won the Mundials, okay?
He was the first American to win the Mundials.
Ever. The Mundial is the World Championships in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
As a black belt, three years into training.
Three years into training.
First of all, it's insane to get a black belt in three years.
But to get a black belt in three years and then win the World Championships is insane.
deric poston
Insane. And that's, without even hearing the context, that's crazy because I know three years isn't long enough to do most things.
joe rogan
I was a brown belt for eight years.
I was.
deric poston
And you were dedicated.
It's not like you weren't busting your ass.
joe rogan
Yeah, I trained a lot.
They don't give those out, man.
You have to earn it.
It has to be real.
Unless you're in a terrible gym.
If you're at a legit gym, if I'm training with...
John John Machano doesn't give out black belts.
You gotta be real to get that.
You gotta choke a lot of people to get that.
And BJ Penn got in three years.
Three years.
deric poston
Yeah. That's just natural gifts.
God-given ability.
joe rogan
He's an addict.
He said it to me.
Like, we had a conversation on the phone once.
It was really funny.
He goes, I was talking to this guy, and he was really young.
And he was like, you know, like, he goes, BJ, I admire you.
You know, I copy your style and this and that.
And he goes, man, you got so good so quick.
He goes, man, I'm like you.
I'm an addict.
He goes, I'm just addicted to jiu-jitsu.
And he's like, fuck, man.
And then I realized that that's it.
I'm addicted to jiu-jitsu.
I got addicted to something really good.
I'm addicted.
And I was like, that's exactly what it is, right?
Yeah. It's the same thing that can turn you into a junkie, unfortunately.
deric poston
Just put that dial, spin that needle towards something else, and it's over.
joe rogan
I knew a dude who was a world championship caliber pool player, and he was squeaky clean.
He ate well, he drank water, he never drank alcohol, he didn't smoke cigarettes, he didn't do drugs.
Straight as an arrow, super focused, world championship caliber player.
Then he hurts his back in a car accident.
And they get him on those pills and falls apart, man.
Gets addicted to those pills the same way he was addicted to being a pool player.
The same thing that made him just obsess on pool, where he's thinking about pool so much it becomes like the scariest guy to play.
The same thing.
Got him with the pills.
And then he just overdosed and died.
Young. But he was like, one time my buddies were hanging out with him and he fell asleep and his mashed potatoes just fell asleep in his food.
They were eating and he just just grayed out on pills right into his food.
And they had to pick him up out of the food.
Like, oh no.
This is a guy that was like straight as an arrow.
Clean as a whistle.
Super focused.
Always dressed nice.
Always looked good.
You know?
Yeah. Thin in shape.
deric poston
Just one.
joe rogan
Just focused.
deric poston
Click to the left.
joe rogan
One click to the left.
One accident and then pills and then no one understanding how addictive those fucking pills were.
The doctors never told you.
Nobody told anybody.
You know?
deric poston
Now when you see like those documentaries of like how people who just like broke a leg or something and then they get them addicted to pills and next thing you know they lost their family, their job, everything.
joe rogan
I have many people that I know that that happened to.
Many people that I know that got injured, got on pills and just lost their lives.
Jiu-jitsu guys, friends, a lot of people.
Especially, again, back before the information was available.
Now everybody knows.
Pain pills are super, super addictive.
Everybody knows someone in their family.
Everybody knows someone that just can't get off them.
Everybody knows somebody that died.
I know multiple people that have died from pain pills.
Yeah. And so that's what got them.
But it's the same thing, man.
deric poston
But that addiction is what makes you great, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's that thing in your head that makes you obsess on something.
That's what it is.
It's like this thing where you're trying to figure this thing out and you just want to get better at it.
But that could be hijacked by gambling.
That could be hijacked by video games.
That could be hijacked by anything.
deric poston
Pussing, I've seen guys.
Yeah, I've seen guys.
Yeah. All that stuff.
joe rogan
That seems normal to me.
That, like, makes sense, like, biologically.
But the gambling one is the craziest one to me.
Yeah. That's the weirdest one.
Because that might as well be heroin to those people.
Whatever they're getting out of, like, risking $100,000 on a football game and just...
Watching people do that, I was like, oh.
Yeah. It gives me so much anxiety.
deric poston
Oh, when you're in Vegas and you're walking through your casino, you just see people at that slot machine.
And they're just glazed over.
joe rogan
That's like the dumbest version of it, though.
But the big, risking everything on a game or risking everything on, like, roll the dice.
A roulette.
Yeah, a roulette.
Like, that kind of thing is so nuts.
It's so nuts to watch.
It gives me so much anxiety.
Like, you ever see Uncut Gems, that Alan Sandler movie?
deric poston
It's one of the best movies.
I've seen it a hundred times, dude.
It's unreal.
And it just shows Adam Sandler in a way of like, oh, this motherfucker can act, act.
joe rogan
Act, act.
deric poston
He can for real act.
joe rogan
For real act.
deric poston
But yeah, that movie, I remember being in the theater with my wife and she's squirming.
And I was like, what's wrong?
You alright?
And she was like, this is making me uncomfortable, Derek.
unidentified
Yeah. This is making me fucking uncomfortable.
joe rogan
Super uncomfortable.
deric poston
And I was like, yeah, this movie, it was.
Because it's the adrenaline rush you're on.
You feel like you're gambling.
joe rogan
Well, the movie's so good.
It locks you in, like we were talking about comedies, like hypnosis.
That movie was like hypnosis.
It locked you in to this character and his decision-making.
And this addiction to gambling that he has.
And all the shady characters around.
Everybody's pulling scams.
And everybody's doing this and that.
And there's always something happening.
deric poston
There's a few movies that can lock you into a character like that where you're like, I don't even agree with this person and I'm so invested.
unidentified
And at the end of the movie, you're like, what the fuck?
joe rogan
Spoiler alert.
But it's one of those what the fuck moments where you're like, what the fuck?
That movie, I shut it off and I was just breathing heavy for five minutes.
deric poston
Fuck! I like a movie like that, too, where you're like, this feels real.
This feels like it could happen to my neighbor, happen to my best friend.
This could happen to anyone.
You just get lost in this.
joe rogan
Yeah, your mind is weird, man.
People's minds are strange.
Minds can go down these weird pathways.
Most people don't have a good management system for it, either.
So it's like you're driving this car with no traction control and too much horsepower.
It's flying all over the road.
And you're freaked out.
You're always on ten.
deric poston
Yeah, dude.
Another movie that makes you feel that way is There Will Be Blood.
Because that's the same.
Where you're watching a guy just go through this life and you're like, I'm getting uncomfortable.
He's killing his fake brother and he's fucking...
And by the end, like you said, the ending of that one as well, where you're like, the fuck is this?
I showed it to my wife, and she literally goes,"Derek, why the fuck did you show me that?" And I was like,"You had to see it.
You needed to experience this." That's how good this movie is.
I love a movie like that, where they give me an experience.
joe rogan
That's one of the greatest movies ever.
Ever. For experience, just for sheer...
Just becoming that guy.
Yes. He was that guy.
You believed every single second of it.
There was no soap opera acting going on at all.
deric poston
No, dude.
This is my son, H.W. The way he talks.
Yeah. The way he is.
Yeah. Oh, my God.
And then you see him devolve into this crazy billionaire.
Because when we see crazy billionaires, we don't really...
And it's like to see how a person becomes a crazy billionaire.
Because he's not a regular guy in the beginning of the movie.
He falls, breaks his leg in that hole.
You know what I mean?
He's a regular dude.
joe rogan
There's a little element of that.
You have to manage that the same way everybody manages everything else.
Imagine trying to manage being Elon Musk.
Imagine trying to manage that.
Imagine. Just trying to manage that.
deric poston
I don't know how he finds the time.
joe rogan
It doesn't make any sense.
It doesn't make any sense.
It doesn't even seem real.
It could possibly be real.
deric poston
Yeah, because now he works for the government along with still trying to get us to Mars and all these other cool things he's doing.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
And people are scrutinizing him at a level like they want him to be perfect in every way.
And it's like you don't get that out of these wacky geniuses.
You don't get perfect.
You get unbelievable capabilities mixed in with all kinds of flaws that even he makes fun of.
Like, you know.
He's even talked openly about self-inflicted wounds that he gives himself on Twitter.
He's posted about it with laughter emojis.
But he's having a good time, no matter what.
deric poston
That would be like watching the There Will Be Blood guy also tweeting his thoughts.
You would see some shit where you're like, what the fuck?
joe rogan
Well, he's not that way.
He's not like a murderous fucking psychopath who steals people's oil.
unidentified
I drink your milkshake!
joe rogan
He's not that.
deric poston
It's a little bit in him.
It has to be.
joe rogan
Well, I think his drive is different than most of them, and his drive is accomplishments and innovation.
Like, he's obsessed with getting people to Mars.
He's obsessed with the engineering involved in what they've accomplished already with SpaceX.
The ability to take a booster, shoot it off into space, and then the booster comes down and lands and gets caught with robot arms is so off the charts beyond anything anyone else has accomplished in the world.
of rocketry and space science and all the engineering involved, it's off the charts.
Like what SpaceX has done...
It's not appreciated enough because he's so polarizing politically because of his affiliation with Trump and because of all the propaganda that has been spun his way.
There's some definite natural reactions that people have to him that are organic and real.
Upset at some of the things he does.
That's real.
But also, there's a gigantic propaganda machine that's trying to paint him as a literal Nazi.
And they're doing it because they have a vested interest in keeping all these NGOs and all their funding in place exactly the same way it's always been, and having a genius go into all of your fucking booking.
Bookkeeping and accounting is not good if you've been unchecked for decades and you have a fucking, just an unstoppable budget and a lot of waste and a lot of incompetence and probably a bunch of fraud and theft,
too. Of course.
Yeah, I mean, they've acknowledged that, you know?
One of the things they said, which is hilarious, they said he found, I think it was Social Security or Medicaid, a bunch of fraud, and then they were saying, well, actually, the government had already identified this two years ago.
Okay, but why didn't you have this press conference?
Did you just cover it up?
Did you make a big deal?
Did you stop it in its tracks?
Did you reverse it?
Did you prosecute people?
Did you get the money back?
Why are you saying,"Yeah, we already knew about that?
That's not good enough." What did you do?
How come you didn't find out about that $250 million that went to transgender animal studies?
You didn't notice that one?
You didn't notice $21 million through Iraq and Sesame Street?
You didn't notice that?
unidentified
You didn't notice, like, fucking...
joe rogan
Just so much of it is kooky.
It's so much money.
And the way NGOs and nonprofits work, I didn't understand it.
I didn't know that it's all, like, cyclical money that's, like, flowing around.
There's billions of dollars.
It's just flowing around.
A lot of it's unchecked, and they've been doing it forever.
And that's why we're $36 trillion in debt.
You know?
Not good.
unidentified
How? How?
deric poston
How does it get that bad?
joe rogan
I don't know.
But then there's also legitimate arguments on the other side.
Like the other side is making a very legitimate argument about the right to due process if you get processed and shipped out of the country and put in a prison in El Salvador.
You know, what is the quote?
Was it Benjamin Franklin's quote about innocent and that it's better to allow 10 guilty people to go free than one innocent person arrested?
You know, I'm on that side of things.
Yeah. I mean, I think due process exists for a reason, and the reason is it is horrific for someone to be accused of something they didn't do, be imprisoned for crimes they didn't commit, and then live in a cell, live in a cage with a bunch of people who did commit shit.
Here it is, Benjamin Franklin.
It's better a hundred guilty persons should escape than one innocent person should suffer.
That is wisdom that has survived hundreds of years.
It's incredibly accurate.
And it is the foundation of freedom.
Like, we have to make sure that these people are actually guilty.
Otherwise, we become monsters.
You can't...
Like, what is that?
When you fight monsters, be careful that you don't become one.
deric poston
Become one.
joe rogan
Yeah. Yeah.
It's very important.
It's very important.
You know, you can't do that.
But also, you can't...
You also have to deal with the fact that the...
Current administration is dealing with the past administration allowing known gang members and terrorists to go right through the border unchecked that a lot of them they know got through.
They don't know the exact numbers, but they know there's millions and millions of people illegally just walked through unchecked and...
A bunch of them have to have criminal records.
A bunch of them have to be dangerous.
And we've seen crimes that have been committed.
It doesn't help anybody on the progressive side to deny the fact that that's a real problem.
And if it happens to your family, God forbid, I don't want it to happen to anybody's, but if it does, you will feel a sting of regret if you supported that, unlike anything you've ever experienced in your life.
You'll be like, I mean, it's one of those things where...
To support one side of this, you have to deny some like basic human values.
Either way, like to support just rounding people up and just assuming they're all gang members.
I'm not saying they're doing that, but this is the worst case scenario, right?
They get a bunch of people in a room, they rope them all in, and one guy's just someone's cousin picking someone up to give them a ride home.
That's possible.
deric poston
And now you're back on the one innocent person, and now you're right back.
joe rogan
And what if that dude is not doing anything wrong, and he's got some stupid tattoos, and they decide that this guy's a gang member, and now you're in a prison in El Salvador, and you're not even from El Salvador, and now, you know, you were just a hairdresser, or you were just a tattoo artist, or whatever you are.
You came over here, and maybe you got a green card, and maybe you don't.
Maybe you were just given asylum, because a lot of people from Venezuela were given asylum in America.
And then you get shipped to El Salvador, where you're not even from El Salvador.
So the fact that that exists scares the shit out of me.
But also the fact that...
They were just letting terrorists and gang members flow freely into the country is fucking horrible.
And when you talk about innocent people, what about the innocent people that got murdered by terrorists?
Well, not terrorists.
That really hasn't happened.
But gang members.
This trender wagwa that were taking over those apartment buildings in Aurora, Colorado.
That's scary shit, man.
Armed with machine guns, taking over apartment buildings.
What are we talking about here?
Like, what are we talking about?
You're letting that happen?
You're not sending in the troops to stop this?
deric poston
Yeah, and you think that wouldn't, in your head, you're like, that can't happen in America, in Colorado.
joe rogan
Bro, they got a guy that had done that in California, and they refused to deport him because they said that California is a sanctuary state.
They're, like, fighting to keep a known gang member free in America.
The whole thing is bananas.
It's almost like you don't want to go full tinfoil hat Sam Tripoli style and just decide that they're trying to destroy America.
But if I was going to try to destroy America, that's how I would do it.
I'd take over the political process, impart censorship on all the social media, gaslight people to no end, consistently do it, astroturf stadiums filled with people pretending they support something, pay them to be there, manufacture a movement.
And slowly but surely bring chaos to all the cities.
Allow DAs to get elected that are the worst when it comes to protecting people and the best when it comes to freeing violent criminals.
And that's really their goal.
And they can just use words like racial justice.
Just send murderers back out into the streets.
You just create chaos.
Defund the police.
Now you have no police.
If I wanted to destroy America, I would do it this way.
deric poston
What you just described sounds like a plan from another place.
joe rogan
If you wanted to destroy America.
deric poston
Not with war, but let's just slowly let them kill themselves.
joe rogan
And then have them at each other's throats.
You know constantly have them fighting over political issues.
Let's get rid of Roe v.
Wade. They're a little too happy right now.
Get rid of Roe v.
Wade and the liberals are up in arms.
How are you motherfucker?
Which was getting rid of Roe v.
Wade was actually a good move if you were a Democrat because then people get upset and then they really want to vote like you could probably Ignite a lot of people and that was like There's some famous videos is one famous video of this lady celebrating that Kamala Harris is gonna win And she was like,
reproductive freedom.
Women came out to vote in unprecedented numbers.
I'm sure you've seen it.
It's a video of this lady mocking this guy working at a liquor store.
No. Did you ever see it?
deric poston
Uh-uh, I didn't see this.
joe rogan
It's so good.
It's so good because it's like this lady and the way she's talking.
You can't be a good person and talk to someone this way or even about someone this way and be happy in the way you're happy.
It's like people like to be shitty.
To people and think that it's justifiable to be shitty if that person disagrees with you.
So you can be shitty.
Whereas the guy in this story is not being shitty to her at all, but she's being super shitty to this guy.
But she's talking about reproductive rights.
Because that was one of the big things that got people to come out and vote for the Democrats.
If I was playing 4D chess and I was a Democrat, I was like, this is what we do.
deric poston
Get rid of it ourselves.
joe rogan
And then campaign on that.
Okay, now we got all the women.
deric poston
Pissed off.
joe rogan
Because women don't want men telling them what to do.
Bitch, you can't get pregnant.
Shut the fuck up.
Shut the fuck up.
Just shut the fuck up.
Shut up.
Until you can get pregnant, shut the fuck up.
Yeah. It's like this or this lady.
You got it, Jamie?
Nope. You can find this video.
It's so funny.
This poor lady.
But it's about reproductive rights.
Like, she's saying that.
And it was for a lot of people.
That was a big one.
So you would do that.
You would do that.
You would get rid of that.
You would try to get rid of the Second Amendment.
Fuck the Second Amendment.
We're going to get rid of all guns.
Oh, the fucking gun guys.
Get up for the Republicans.
And then you would say, we need open borders because we need our society's population collapse.
And they're starting to say things like that.
And we need, you know, who's going to pick cotton?
They're essentially marketing it because they're saying Americans don't want these jobs, so we have to bring people in to pick our crops.
Who's going to clean your toilets?
People are openly saying that.
Like, not realizing how racist this sounds.
unidentified
Oh, I remember that.
One white lady, she told me, she was like, who's going to clean your toilet if they get rid of all the Mexicans?
deric poston
It's like, what the fuck?
joe rogan
Who said that?
deric poston
It was like one of those crazy views.
joe rogan
View bitches?
deric poston
She's one of them.
Or at least a show like that.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hilarious. So there was that going on.
If you wanted to, like, destroy society and make it worse, what would you do?
You'd bring people in from a third-world country, don't have them change anything, financially incentivize them to be there, give them free money while you're not helping the poor people in America.
They were giving them debit cards, free housing, free food, putting them up in the Roosevelt Hotel in New York City.
Why old shit?
If you want to destroy society, that's how you would do it.
That's how you would do it.
deric poston
I mean, that sounds...
Like it's working.
joe rogan
Like it's going in that direction.
So the problem with things that are going in a radical direction, then there's an overcorrection.
So the overcorrection is lack of due process.
The overcorrection is like, round them all up, ship them to jail.
That's like some things that you say when you're not thinking things through.
Like, what do you do about all the criminals?
unidentified
Take them all, fucking send them to El Salvador.
joe rogan
What about due process?
No, fuck that.
But here's the problem with fuck that.
What if you...
Are an enemy of, let's not say any current president.
Let's pretend we got a new president, totally new guy in 2028.
And this is a common practice now of just rounding up gang members with no due process and shipping them to El Salvador.
You're a gang member.
No, I'm not.
Prove it.
What? I gotta go to court.
No due process.
deric poston
That's dangerous, Joe.
joe rogan
That's dangerous.
We gotta be...
Careful that we don't become monsters while we're fighting monsters But then again, you got to find these motherfuckers that are here that have terrorist cells and that are ready to fucking blow up malls in Dallas and do crazy shit, which Definitely they've thwarted before.
Yeah, so like this is the best argument for Intelligence agencies is that there's real threats, you know like for someone to say fuck all the CIA fuck the FBI.
What are you crazy?
Who's gonna investigate real threats?
The real world exists.
As much as you want to pretend that we can all go kumbaya tomorrow if we all just lay down our arms, no.
There's people that are 48 years old and dedicated to crime.
They've been dedicated to crime in Guatemala, and now they're here.
And now they're selling fentanyl, and they're not going to stop.
deric poston
They don't give a fuck.
joe rogan
And they're on EBT cards, where you're getting money from the government for free every month.
Because you're in a sanctuary city, and you get free food, and you're a criminal.
And then one of them, like two of them, assaulted cops in New York City, and then got out, got free.
No cash bail.
No cash bail.
You just get out.
They assaulted cops, and then they're on the street giving the Tupac to the camera.
Have you ever seen that?
No, Joe, what?
First of all, we've got to show you the Kamala Harris lady.
Do you got the Kamala Harris lady?
You can't find it?
They probably scrubbed it from the internet.
I mean, she's being shamed.
jamie vernon
I'm not really sure what to look for.
deric poston
You're putting a tinfoil hat on my head, right?
joe rogan
We don't have to show it.
Because we've already showed it a bunch of times.
It's how you would do it if you wanted to destroy America.
I'm not saying...
So the question becomes, like, how much of it is our own folly?
How much of it is just natural human behavior?
How much of it is, like...
The right wants law and order, so we don't want law and order.
The right wants to punish prisoners.
No, it's racist.
Racism. It's like, what is it?
deric poston
That's just teams fighting.
joe rogan
But also, I feel like it's manipulated as well, and maybe more so than anything else.
I feel like it's manipulated.
And again, if you wanted to turn us into China, and what I mean by that is a country that's...
Facial recognition everywhere, social credit score system that's attached to all of your banking, your ability to travel, everything you do.
If you make anything online that's against the government, you could be disappeared, you could be locked up, you could be made a political prisoner.
You know, this is fun.
deric poston
It felt like we were heading that way.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think this is something that, I think it was Metzger that said this.
No. It was Duncan that said this about Ukraine and Russia.
He's like do you realize like the Ukrainians that we're killing or that rather the Russians that we're killing by sending over arms and money to fund the Ukrainians not saying that we shouldn't do this but he's saying that a lot of those guys are being forced to go to the front line and a lot of those guys are prisoners who get released in order to fight.
So what if you're a prisoner because you wrote a bad tweet against Putin and they lock you up and then all of a sudden Ukrainians are killing you with American weapons because you tweeted bad against Putin.
So it's Putin's way of like eliminating any dissent from like...
They don't even arrest that many people online for doing things online in comparison to the UK.
The UK is getting in on it full steam ahead.
The UK is arresting people for anything that makes people uncomfortable online.
They show up at your house and just fucking arrest you.
How many people have been arrested in the UK for social media posts in the last year?
It's gonna blow your mind.
It's gonna blow your mind.
This is just post on social media like get you know We need to send these illegal immigrants back saying shit like that.
deric poston
Yeah, you get arrested Arrested hate crime even if I'm joking even if I'm maybe I'm just fucking having there's no jokes.
joe rogan
No jokes online anymore Not in the UK not only that but the guy was the head of the UK They're saying now that they could potentially arrest Americans who have posted things online when they visit the UK Yeah,
I was reading a post about this.
Like, this law could potentially be used in this way.
That if you are a person in America and you're posting horrible shit about the UK government or the immigrant problem or whatever they have, context upon available information, exact figures 2025, not fully comprehend, 2023.
In 2023, 12,183 arrests were made across 37 police forces in the UK under Section 127 of the Communications Act.
2003, in Section 1 of the Malicious Communications Act in 1988, equating to about 33 arrests per day.
Laws cover sending grossly offensive, indecent, obscene, or menacing messages via electronic communication networks, which includes social media posts and also DMs.
DMs. So people have been arrested for...
Horrible DMs that nobody gets to see other than the friend that you're sending it to, supposedly.
deric poston
You have no idea what the context is.
unidentified
That's crazy.
jamie vernon
I was checking into this one time recently.
It said that a lot of people may have been arrested, but many of them were not prosecuted and released very shortly after.
joe rogan
Right. Okay, that's cute.
It's still horrifying because what you're doing is scaring people into compliance.
They don't want to be arrested again, and they certainly don't want to risk being prosecuted, but they're forcing people to censor themselves.
jamie vernon
I read it so that they're breaking the law.
I don't know which law they're breaking.
joe rogan
Well, no, they do have a law.
They don't have freedom of speech the way we have in America.
So they do have these hate speech laws.
So they are breaking a law.
But the question is, should that law exist?
And I say, no.
No, that law should not exist.
You shouldn't be able to put someone in a cage for saying...
And some of them are not that offensive.
Some of them are pretty fucking calm.
Oh, only 1,119 sentences.
Occurred for these offenses.
Okay, but the problem is now go look at how many people were arrested in Russia for social media posts.
It's drastically less.
But we think of Russia as being the country that censors people.
deric poston
China and Russia, that's what you think.
joe rogan
Which they do.
You can't criticize Putin.
You can't go balls out.
You're risking your life.
You're in real trouble.
Not excusing that.
But what they're doing in the UK is...
At a higher level of magnitude.
I mean, maybe they're not torturing people and sending them to the front line of Ukraine, but they are putting the fear of being arrested in people if you say something that they don't want you to say on social media.
deric poston
The jump from 2016 to 2023 is crazy.
joe rogan
Look at Russia.
2023, 54 people.
So in the time where 12,000 people...
We're arrested in the UK.
54 people were imprisoned for online hate speech in Russia.
jamie vernon
This also says this information isn't very...
joe rogan
Russia's 100% accurate with their...
unidentified
Easy to find.
joe rogan
Shut up, Jamie.
From 2010 to 2024, Novaya, Gazeta, Europe reported over 30,000 criminal and administrative cases related to social media posts.
With about 1,200 being criminal cases.
So they had 1,200 criminal cases.
Common charges include extremism, inciting hatred, or insulting state symbols.
That's where it gets sketchy.
deric poston
I can't even make fun of the flag or a monument?
I can't make fun of it?
joe rogan
Nope. Insulting.
Making fun is insulting.
There's no room for humor in a communist country.
deric poston
UK sucks, dude.
joe rogan
But it's not, you know, Russia's not communist, really, anymore.
It's a military dictatorship, essentially.
I mean, Putin was the president, and he could only do a certain amount of time, and then he stopped being the president, and he's like, fuck it, I'm the president again.
And then no one's going to win going against him.
We have elections, but what are you doing?
The guys wind up getting poisoned and shot, and they're like, it's old school.
deric poston
Yeah, he's fucking...
joe rogan
It's old school.
He's running that place.
deric poston
It's his.
unidentified
That's his.
joe rogan
You're not taking over.
deric poston
Man, I seen that picture of him, shirtless on a horse, and I'm like, don't fuck with this dude.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a killer.
He's a former KGB killer.
He's a judo black belt.
He's a bad man.
And he runs that country.
And they arrest less people.
deric poston
Yeah, what the fuck is going on in the UK?
joe rogan
They're leaning into the same direction that I was talking about that was scaring me about America.
I feel like there's a plot.
There's a plot to diminish the fabric of society.
Like, if you want...
Okay. Let's...
Let's just look at the whole overall world and is it fair?
It's definitely not fair.
Clearly there's a reason why these people in these third world countries want to come to Europe and why they want to come to America because it's better here and it's better there and they want a better life.
I get it.
But why are they fleeing where they came from?
We bombed the shit out of those places.
We bombed the shit out of those places.
We drone bombed them.
We overthrew democratically elected governments with coups.
There's a lot of instability that's caused by us.
Like, well, it's our fault.
We're going to take these people in.
I think instead of fucking up this one country by letting everybody come in and drag it down to a third world country, I think a better solution is figure out a way to prop up.
These other countries.
The same way, I mean, in a simplistic version of it, like, if you want everything for yourself, you're selfish, but you want everything for all your boys, too, and everybody.
Everybody gets better.
The whole world gets better.
So instead of, like, shipping off jobs to Mexico where they get a dollar a day, maybe pay them real money.
Pay them what you're supposed to be paying them.
Maybe give them health care.
Maybe give them...
Maybe if you are an American citizen and you want to hire someone to do something, you have to hire someone under the same structure of ethics that we agree to in the United States.
Period. Yes.
Period. For all humans all over the world.
If the money translates lower because the American dollar is worth more, okay.
But balance it out.
Make it that, you know, they can afford food, they can afford housing, they can afford healthcare.
Make laws.
Agreed. And then all of a sudden you prop up the whole world.
And the whole world stops having third world countries, including in the United States.
Like, why do we still have ghettos?
Why have we put all this money into funding all these different things with, like, U.S. aid all over the world?
And the south side of Chicago has the same amount of murders every year, if not more.
deric poston
More? Every year?
unidentified
Every year.
joe rogan
Baltimore, same place.
We had a cop in once, way back in the day, that he was a cop in Baltimore.
And while they were working one day, he found a rap sheet, like a rest sheet of...
All these different crimes that were committed in all these different areas from, like, the 1970s.
And it was all the same shit that's happening today.
And he realized, like, oh, my God, it's never going to end.
Like, you're never going to fix this.
It's all the same problems in the same areas and nothing's being done.
The same drug arrests, the same violence, the same this, the same that.
All in the same places.
And all in these areas, mysteriously, all in these same areas that had been redlined during the Jim Crow era, where black people couldn't buy houses where the white neighborhoods are.
They had to buy houses in one area.
And those areas are fucked.
And no one's corrected it.
unidentified
Even now.
deric poston
It doesn't make sense.
But you think that's just that hard to let go of that feeling of, I have to be better than someone.
It's nice to know you're doing better than somebody else.
It's something about human beings that they like.
joe rogan
I think it's convenient to ignore people that you're not going to profit from.
If you are investing a bunch of money in green energy or investing a bunch of money in whatever stupid shit you're doing with windmills, someone's making money.
There's a lot of people making money.
Is money being exchanged?
If you're fixing South Side of Chicago, if you're creating community centers and robust education and counseling and providing mentorship and paths to jobs and giving people an opportunity to make real money that's enticing so they don't want to sell drugs or kill people.
Like, how are you making money doing that?
You're not.
And so people don't do it.
It's that simple.
deric poston
But it's like what you just said.
If everyone was doing good, the world would naturally rise.
joe rogan
Exactly. But it would take time.
deric poston
I guess you're right.
joe rogan
It's not a direct profit.
It would take generations.
But there's no effort being done to it.
So this guy that's seeing these crimes that were committed in the same area in Baltimore in the 1970s, and this is in the 2000s, he's seeing the same shit.
He's like, this is crazy.
This is the real systemic racism.
This is the real problem.
It's not like black people can't make it in America.
No, no, no, no, no.
It's like there's an echo of past atrocities that exist in these pockets that's not being addressed.
It's never been healed.
Yeah. It's never been healed.
There's a convenience in allowing it to stay that way.
Like, you can count on them to vote a certain way.
If you keep giving them welfare, if you keep giving them food stamps, the people that want that are always the Democrats.
So those people are always going to vote Democrat for you.
So, like, it's within your best interest to not make them, like, conservative Republicans or, like, very disciplined and work real hard and get to the gym at 4.30 before they show up at work at 7 and kick some ass and make some fucking money, Wilson.
You know?
You don't want that.
It's convenient, because then they'll vote for you every time.
As soon as they start making money and realize, like, what is the government spending my fucking taxes on?
deric poston
That's what changes you.
Immediately. The moment you make some money.
joe rogan
Oh, you become a Republican.
unidentified
Quick. Quick.
joe rogan
You have any hippies that I know became Republicans after they started making money?
Yeah. Yeah.
deric poston
Yeah. Because 50% of your money...
And you're living in a shitty...
You're like, wait, I don't...
unidentified
Hold on.
joe rogan
And they're letting criminals out.
You're like, what is happening?
Why does my car keep getting broken into?
Like, what do you do?
Why are there people camped in front of my fucking house?
deric poston
I gave you 50% of my money.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is crazy.
Dylan has a great bit about it.
About the California offering tax breaks for people that take a homeless person into their house.
deric poston
Yeah, he's the man, dude.
joe rogan
It's one of the clips that he put up because he's got a new special that's out now.
Yeah. That he filmed at the mothership.
But it's so funny and so true.
It's like they're just trying to destroy society.
What better way to destroy your house?
You have a wife and child.
What better way to destroy your house than to bring some fentanyl addict in?
This is how you're going to create more chaos.
And then California is trying to pass a new law that's being proposed where if someone breaks into your house and threatens your life, you're not allowed to shoot them.
In your house!
Imagine someone breaks into your house and is trying to get you, has a knife coming towards you.
You're not allowed to kill them.
deric poston
What am I allowed to do?
joe rogan
You're supposed to run away.
This hasn't passed yet.
deric poston
There's no way it can.
That doesn't even.
joe rogan
It's so crazy, dude.
It's so crazy.
It's so crazy.
It's almost like they're trying to destroy people's confidence in law enforcement, confidence in community, the feeling of being safe, ramp up everybody's level of anxiety, and then offer a solution.
And the solution is to disarm everybody.
The solution is to clamp down further and further on gun laws, make it very difficult to have a gun.
You can't have magazines more than 10 rounds.
You can't concealed carry.
You can't do this.
You can't do that.
If you have it in your car, you have to have the bullets in the trunk and the pistols supposed to be locked up.
There's all these crazy laws that are just slowly but surely trying to take away your...
And you can say, no, those laws to keep people from road rage and shootings and criminals commit crime.
Laws don't stop criminals from breaking laws.
Laws keep law-abiding people from protecting themselves.
Damn. That's the fact.
That's the fact.
A criminal's going to do it anyway.
The gun's illegal.
The fucking identification number has been sawed off.
What are you talking about?
deric poston
Like you said, they've been driven to that point.
If I'm at that point, there is no rule that's going to stop me.
joe rogan
There's no rule.
Have you ever seen that show, Trafficked?
unidentified
Mm-mm.
joe rogan
This is an amazing show called Trafficked, and they went down to L.A., and they followed these rogue cops who are bringing guns into Mexico and selling them.
Whoa. Yeah.
That's one of the episodes.
deric poston
That's fucking crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, Mariana Benzella.
She's amazing.
She's been in the podcast a few times.
Brilliant. It's fearless this lady.
She went to Columbia into the jungle where they were making coke and then went with the mules, hiked it out with backpacks full of coke.
They had backpacks and she followed them and hiked it out.
They showed her how they make the coke, where they make the coke.
jamie vernon
They changed the wording on this bill.
joe rogan
Oh, interesting.
This is where it's scratched out.
Scratched out part says the bill would eliminate certain circumstances under which homicide is justifiable, including amongst others, in defense of a habitation or property.
The bill would additionally clarify circumstances in which homicide is not justifiable, including among others, when a person uses more force than necessary to defend against a danger.
deric poston
What does that mean?
joe rogan
That means you shoot a guy more than once.
deric poston
I gotta know he's down.
joe rogan
Right, but you killed him instead of just shooting him.
That's what they're saying.
But you don't under...
With this bill, this bill is like not understanding fight or flight and violence and the chaos of you realizing your life.
Or your family's life.
What? You just want to shoot that person.
jamie vernon
This is what it says about that part.
joe rogan
Okay. The bill would eliminate that provision.
The bill would also specify certain circumstances in which homicide is not justifiable, including when a person was outside their habitation or property and did not retreat when they could have safely done so, when a person used more force than a reasonable person would have.
So that right there.
Listen to that.
A person was outside their habitation or property and did not retreat.
When they could have safely done so.
Meaning if someone's breaking into your house, you're on the outside of the house, you don't go into the house to confront them.
You retreat.
You're supposed to retreat.
deric poston
What if I have family in the house?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
deric poston
This rule already is like, well, this doesn't make sense.
jamie vernon
It says it specifies the circumstances, so that might be...
joe rogan
But no, but Jamie, you would do it in the context of the sentence.
This bill would also specify certain circumstances in which homicide is not justifiable, including when a person was outside their habitation or property.
But it's not, like, it's not...
jamie vernon
If you're outside, it's saying you have to try to retreat.
deric poston
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
But what if someone's in your home?
That doesn't clarify that.
jamie vernon
So there's circumstances when it still could be.
It's just that there's certain circumstances when it's not justifiable.
It still could be.
joe rogan
Right. But the certain circumstances is listed, including when a person was outside.
jamie vernon
I understand.
He brought up a situation.
joe rogan
Jamie, it's obvious.
It's obvious.
jamie vernon
I'm just saying.
joe rogan
I read.
jamie vernon
I'm reading.
joe rogan
This is not necessary.
And did not retreat when they could have safely done so.
When a person used more force than a reasonable person.
That's so subjective.
deric poston
I don't know.
That's not a real thing.
joe rogan
What about Tim Kennedy?
Is he reasonable?
deric poston
That's not a reason.
joe rogan
What about Jocko?
Is Jocko reasonable?
Yeah. But people have to keep their cool.
What'd you say, Jimmy?
jamie vernon
That's when you win a good jury, too.
joe rogan
Good luck.
jamie vernon
I'm just saying.
joe rogan
Why would you count on that?
jamie vernon
I'm not saying you're counting on it.
I'm just saying that's why you want one.
I didn't say that's why you need one.
I said that's why you want one.
joe rogan
If I was a judge, I'd say you're argumentative.
However, the bill would specify that homicide is justifiable if the initial aggressor actually...
and in good faith tried to stop fighting and indicated they wanted to and tried to stop fighting as specified or in cases of mutual combat the initial aggressor gave the opponent an opportunity to stop fighting so if someone starts fucking you up and then gives you an opponent it gives you an opportunity rather to stop fighting and you don't you keep fighting them and kill them but they've already started fighting with you You're in danger zone.
To be reasonable while your life is in danger is to open yourself up to getting fucked up.
Because it's like, no, no, come on, man.
It was like, bang, motherfucker!
And then you're out cold.
You've already engaged in violence.
It's so subjective whether or not you should stop or not stop.
When you should stop is when that person's 100% incapacitated.
And that might mean kill them.
If you don't know what's going to stop them.
If you have a gun and someone is charging at you with a fucking machete and you bang, bang, bang while they're still alive and that winds up killing them, you could have just shot them once.
You could be in front of a jury and they could say, you could have stopped with the first bullet.
And then you have a coroner who says, yes, the first bullet was fatal.
Or, yes, the first bullet would have stopped him, but he shot him two additional times.
Like, now you're in jail.
Now you're in jail because you were in terrified of your life and you thought you were gonna die and you did something in a split moment where you're not even thinking straight like you're you're To ask an accountant to keep his shit together in a look if you ask a Navy SEAL to keep his shit together and they're they're fucking they're probably like oh Finally someone broke into my house.
deric poston
Oh this motherfucker.
joe rogan
Yeah, but some guy actually did try to break into Tim Kennedy's house And he, you know, he didn't even hurt the guy.
unidentified
He just said, you made a giant mistake.
joe rogan
He came up with a gun and got rid of the guy.
deric poston
That's like those guys who start bar fights with UFC dudes.
You see those kind of videos?
Bro. Where you're like, oh, brother.
joe rogan
You've seen the Joe Schilling one, right?
deric poston
Oh, he bumps it.
He kind of like, some dude's dancing and just being a dick.
Yeah. And then he gets him at the bar and just bump up, bump.
joe rogan
It's so quick.
Well, the dude tried to get him to flinch.
deric poston
Yeah, he jumped at him.
joe rogan
Jumped at him.
And he just, ding, ding, ding.
The wrong dude.
I mean, that's karma.
Yeah. Those things almost make me feel like we're in a simulation.
That's supposed to happen in that order.
When someone just hits a level of douchiness, you're supposed to run into Joe Schilling.
That's the perfect karmic response to a negative and a positive and a thing.
I go in and out.
I just feel like we have to be really careful in this country that we don't get more divided by all this fucking political chaos that we're experiencing.
We've got to be real careful as human beings that we don't fall prey to that.
This is not smart for anybody.
deric poston
No, dude.
joe rogan
It's not smart.
There's so much unnecessary conflict, you know?
deric poston
Well, it's usually...
And it's just people picking that one side.
And like you said, you can't...
Of course, I don't think people should be coming to the country and all that stuff, but I also do think women should be able to do what they want with the fucking baby in their stomach.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Up to a point, right?
deric poston
Up to a point, of course.
But like you said, if some woman got raped and she's pregnant now, like, yeah, let her, what are we doing right now?
joe rogan
What are we doing?
deric poston
Where's the human aspect of it?
joe rogan
And then also, like, if you don't feel for people that walked here with their babies because they just want to get a job as a landscaper, like, I get it.
deric poston
Let them have it.
joe rogan
I just, but how do you know?
I think the process for getting people in should be – but it's also – it's like how many can we support?
Like what kind of a strain is this on Social Security?
What kind of a strain is this on Medicare?
Have this been – and is there a way to like make where they're from better?
And wouldn't that like increase – Revenues?
If all of a sudden you had another country right next door that's buying and trading and making tons of money, wouldn't that be better for everybody?
If they stopped being a third world country and became a first world country, wouldn't that be super beneficial?
deric poston
Has that never come up?
Why don't we just try to make this place a better place?
joe rogan
This is what you've got to realize when it comes to politicians.
Most of them are already dead or on their way.
Unless you're J.D. Vance, he's really young.
Tulsi Gabbard's young.
deric poston
Yeah, Tulsi's the shit.
joe rogan
Most of these people, when you're in office, like Trump is almost 80. Biden, did you see what Biden said yesterday?
deric poston
What did he say?
joe rogan
Oh. Jay, did you see it?
unidentified
Nope. They let him talk.
deric poston
He's like, what, 80-something, 90?
joe rogan
Out of nowhere, they let him talk.
And I'm like, who's letting him talk?
unidentified
This is crazy.
Here, I'll send you this, Jamie.
It's so silly.
joe rogan
He's fucking gone, bro.
He's gone, and they let him talk.
They just let him get out in the open and put a microphone in front of his face.
But I guess, like, as a former president, you can kind of request...
Speak my mind!
One day just had just enough mixture.
They filled them up with enough peptides.
Got a little pep in his step.
deric poston
You're feeling good.
joe rogan
Yeah, man, it's a former president.
unidentified
Give me some volume and go full screen because this is you got to see his face And I had never seen
joe biden
I'd never seen hardly any black people in Scranton at the time, and I was only going in fourth grade.
unidentified
And I remember seeing the kids going by at the time called colored kids on a bus going by.
joe biden
They never turned right to go to Claymont High School.
unidentified
I wondered why.
I asked my mom, why?
So in Delaware, they're not allowed to go to school, in public school, with white kids hunting.
That sparked my sense of outrage as a kid, just like it does-- I mean-- And these young kids right here can tell you things affect them when they learn about something that's really just unfair and unjust.
joe biden
You know, my dad, my dad was an honorable man.
unidentified
And my dad used to have an expression.
He said, Joey, your job's about a lot more than a paycheck.
It's about your dignity.
It's about respect.
It's about being able to look your kid in the eye and say, honey, it's going to be okay and mean it.
That's what you're all about.
That's what the legislation is about.
It's about dignity.
Simple dignity.
joe biden
Everyone, everyone deserves to be treated with dignity.
Regardless of their standard, regardless of their economic system, regardless of who they are.
Yeah! Making sure that more than 60 million Americans who are living with disabilities are treated with dignity.
unidentified
It's who we are as Americans.
That's what it's about.
joe rogan
I hope he does more.
We should have him at the mothership.
deric poston
Yeah, we got him.
Let him go up.
Give him 10. Give him an hour.
unidentified
At school, in their communities.
joe rogan
Give him a drink.
deric poston
He might die.
unidentified
In every corner of American life, laws like the ADA need advocates like you.
deric poston
You can tell he got something.
He took something that morning.
He was fired up.
joe rogan
He was feeling good.
They got him on a good dose.
He had a nice nap.
He had a good nap.
But it's crazy to let him do that, because now we know he wasn't really running the country.
Yeah. We used to think he was actually running the country, and now they're like, no, he didn't even see those executive orders.
Like, that was all auto-penned.
He didn't even sign those things.
deric poston
Yeah, it is crazy how old they are.
joe rogan
That's a weird, that auto-pen's a weird thing.
How lazy are you, bitch?
How many, how many...
How many things are you signing that you have to auto-pen things?
That's crazy that you can auto-pen.
The whole thing is supposed to be signature.
deric poston
That's your job.
Also, that's the thing.
unidentified
That's your job.
deric poston
You read it, you go over it, you make sure it's right, and you sign it.
unidentified
What the fuck are you doing?
deric poston
What are we paying?
I don't understand shit, man.
joe rogan
What the fuck are we doing?
What are we doing?
How are you auto-penning shit?
That's the crazy thing about all those pardons.
How many pardons did he have?
I think he had 9,000 pardons, and it was all auto-penned.
So it's like everybody's like, if I had imagined, like worst case scenario, I'm not assuming or accusing anybody doing this, but I would imagine if you got a hold of that auto pen, be like, yo, yo, yo, I got the auto pen.
Who needs?
deric poston
All the boys is out.
joe rogan
I need money.
I'm trying to get rich, and you're trying to get free, and let's get something rolling.
Just hitting that button.
First of all, if you can't be tried, Because they decide that you're mentally incapable of standing trial.
That's what they said about him.
They were going to try him on some classified documents case.
They said the judge ruled that he was incapable of standing trial while he was running for president for the second term.
While he was running for president, they were saying he's incapable of standing trial.
So if we're saying that there's something wrong with him cognitively, but we're still allowing him to give people pardons?
Like if he can't...
If he's not sane enough, if he's not there enough to stand trial, how could he be there enough to decide whether or not someone deserves a pardon?
That seems insane.
And then, how could he use the auto pen?
He's like, what about that guy?
Yes, pardon him!
What about that guy?
Let him off!
He deserves it!
9,000!
There's no way.
If you have all the time in the world, how are you going over 9,000 cases?
jamie vernon
Most of those were the marijuana releases.
joe rogan
Well, that's nice.
How many of them?
jamie vernon
6,500 or so.
joe rogan
Oh, that's nice.
deric poston
But auto-pinning it is, when you think about what that means, that is crazy.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
unidentified
Yeah. It's just, is that shit for sale?
joe rogan
Pardons are crazy anyway.
You just let somebody out of jail because you're the king.
deric poston
Because you're the king?
joe rogan
I'm the king.
unidentified
Fucking fuck that trial.
joe rogan
Yeah. Fuck that jury.
deric poston
I like that guy.
joe rogan
You're free, bro.
deric poston
I don't mind it.
joe rogan
Yeah. That's crazy power.
Let people out of jail.
You know?
deric poston
And mass numbers.
joe rogan
What was the total?
jamie vernon
I'm trying to find the exact number.
deric poston
Okay. Because 9,000.
joe rogan
But 6,500, I agree with.
I agree with all those marijuana ones.
deric poston
Well, yeah.
That's not a real thing.
I feel bad.
joe rogan
That's the craziest shit that there were people in Colorado that were in jail for selling marijuana, looking out the window of their prison.
To marijuana dealerships.
Selling marijuana.
unidentified
Legally. And nice packaging.
deric poston
With barcodes on it.
joe rogan
Cartoon characters smiling when they're high on them.
deric poston
Snoop Dogg on the cover of a bag.
joe rogan
See, that's the good thing about progressive governments, right?
Progressive governments like Colorado, they realize that people's right to experiment with all kinds of different things, including alcohol.
But also, like, you should have the freedom to take things.
You should have the freedom to explore your own consciousness.
And Colorado agreed with that real early.
You know?
That's the good thing about progressive governments.
And that's the bad thing about a lot of conservative governments.
They want to stop you from doing that.
You know?
They want to prosecute people for that fucking grass.
That dirty...
Where's your dope?
You're fucking dope.
deric poston
Yeah, they don't like it when your mind opens up a little bit.
But you said it earlier.
Oh, man, if we could just get everybody on mushrooms, everybody might love each other and all these things.
joe rogan
Yeah. That is scary.
I don't think they think that way, though.
8,000.
A record-setting number includes a collective act of over 6,500 individuals for marijuana possession convictions.
So it's really not like he has more than anybody else.
Yeah, Washington did it.
Yeah, it looks like more than everybody else.
Because it's just 6,500.
He actually only released 1,500 then.
deric poston
Yeah, look at Andrew Johnson.
jamie vernon
It ended up being closer to 9,000, I think, at the end of the day.
Oh, at the end?
joe rogan
So even then, 2,500, pretty normal.
Yeah. Like, how many did...
Obama did...
deric poston
Almost 2,000.
joe rogan
What about Trump?
jamie vernon
He did 1,500 on the first day, because there were all the January 6th people.
joe rogan
How come Trump didn't free Joe Exotic?
Let him go.
unidentified
Tiger King 3. We need it.
jamie vernon
He'll need a 230 on the first term.
joe rogan
Oh, only 237.
That's not a lot.
Oh, so the new one, when he came back, he pardoned 1,500 individuals connected to General.
They keep saying Capitol riots.
deric poston
Yeah. But Andrew Johnson, 8,000.
Pardons? That's what it said.
Andrew Johnson.
He sold those bitches.
joe rogan
For silver coins.
sitting in his fucking bathtub with all these silver coins.
deric poston
But that's crazy that pardons were going back all the way to George Washington.
joe rogan
Yeah, how many did George Washington have?
A lot, right?
1,700?
Is that what it said?
Good old George.
deric poston
Yeah. It's crazy.
I just got into that stuff because I saw Hamilton like two weeks ago for the first time.
joe rogan
Oh yeah?
deric poston
You ever seen that?
joe rogan
No. Is it good?
Brother. You see it on Broadway?
deric poston
Brother. I saw it on, they brought it to Texas, the Bass Concert Hall.
And then in these last like three weeks, I have studied everything.
I'm addicted to it, bro.
Really? Joe?
Derek? It's the second greatest piece of art to ever be art.
joe rogan
What's number one?
deric poston
Harry Potter books.
jamie vernon
I wish you were here for this argument.
deric poston
Harry Potter books is number one.
jamie vernon
When he was going off at Mitty's about this.
deric poston
Well, these motherfuckers was trying to bring up the Bible.
It's like, get the fuck out of here, dude.
joe rogan
Harry Potter's better than the Bible?
deric poston
Not even close.
Really? It was, Joe, it's already the second greatest selling book of all time, and it's only been out since 1997.
Think about that.
joe rogan
That is pretty crazy.
I'll tell you what, my kids were addicted to it.
deric poston
When I read it, I read it like a month ago.
I just found out about both these things.
Really? I saw the movie.
I knocked it all out.
Wow. I knocked the whole thing out.
joe rogan
How is it?
deric poston
It's the greatest thing ever.
joe rogan
Is it better than the movie?
deric poston
It's not even close.
And I love the movies.
Movies are great.
But it's so fucking good and so in-depth and so...
I mean, it's the classic hero story, you know, a hero's tale, but man, it's so fucking good.
And rereading it and just how deep the characters are and how incredible it is is beautiful.
But Hamilton is number two, greatest art.
And I mean, when I say art, I mean anything ever written, painted, musically sung.
Really? One, two.
joe rogan
Wow. And then the Bible?
deric poston
Maybe The Departed.
Departed might be three.
Have you ever seen The Departed, man?
When that elevator opens up and Leo gets his hand blown off, I think, oh, I feel it still.
joe rogan
Departed might be three.
You just killed all your credibility.
You took Departed over Apocalypse Now.
deric poston
Oh, Apocalypse Now.
That was a great thought.
joe rogan
What day you take Departed over Apocalypse Now?
deric poston
I love Apocalypse Now.
But Hamilton Joe.
joe rogan
That good.
deric poston
Brother, it's so...
If you like history, because I'm not a history guy.
Hasan, me and Hasan talk about it, because he loves history.
And I know what I know, but I'm not looking for it.
I watched this shit, man.
It was so cool.
Everything is educational.
The whole thing.
And you think it's gay, because it's like, oh, it's a musical.
joe rogan
You think it's gay?
deric poston
Everyone's black.
Like, why is Thomas Jefferson black?
You know what I mean?
Everyone in the play is black, and they're all playing these guys, Thomas Jefferson and Washington.
But everything is singing.
The whole thing is singing.
So the writing is incredible, and it's literally the story of Alexander Hamilton, and I had no idea how important this man was.
Wow. He was an orphan.
And then, you know, it ends, of course, with the duel between him and Burr, which is insane.
You know, Burr was vice president when he killed the treasurer.
Really? Hamilton was treasurer, and he killed him in a duel while he was vice...
President. That's crazy.
Because they had 15 years of beef and you get to see why they've been beefing.
It's just two ideologies of this man grew up orphaned.
Mom died.
Dad left him.
He's from the Caribbean, Alexander Hamilton.
He's just an absolute genius who had to come out of the absolute mud.
Aaron Burr is a trust fund kid who is a politician through and through.
He was raised to be a politician who never, you know, his cards are close to his chest and he never shows anybody what he's thinking.
True politician.
Hamilton's a wild guy.
Well, I mean, everything.
He didn't like how Hamilton always is talking.
Hamilton is a loud guy and he's just rambunctious and didn't follow the rules of politics.
He was a wild card.
He was also young.
And Burr was like, no, you do it this way, you do it this way, that's how you're supposed to do it.
So that happened for 15 years.
And then what made him kill him was Burr was going to be president.
He was going against Jefferson.
Jefferson and Hamilton had been beefing.
They hate each other.
But Hamilton didn't like Burr so much because he said at least Jefferson stands for something.
And the last vote to make Jefferson president over Burr was Hamilton.
And so that, and then of course he talked some more shit about him and then Aaron Burr was like, we're dueling.
Fuck you.
joe rogan
With musket guns.
deric poston
Musket guns.
joe rogan
Those old school bullshit guns.
deric poston
Because he shot.
Burr, I mean, Hamilton wasn't trying to kill him.
He shot over his head, because that was like a thing you do if you weren't trying to kill somebody, but you were like, I'm letting you know, but like, we're doing it, but I'm not trying to kill you.
But he didn't know, because he shot first.
Burr just thought he missed.
So he shot him right in the fucking stomach, right in the wrist.
joe rogan
Killed him.
deric poston
And it was like a few miles away, maybe like right near the same spot where Hamilton's son died three years before.
joe rogan
That's like the law.
That law of knowing when it's too much.
Like, he could have just shot over him.
Good if the other guy shot over him.
deric poston
But I thought you just missed.
How am I supposed to know?
joe rogan
I thought you were trying to kill me.
deric poston
I thought you were trying to kill me.
Exactly. And no one saw it because, you know, so to have a duel, you had to have other people there.
You had to have a doctor.
You had to have two people.
You had to have representatives, all this stuff.
But everyone turns around.
So that way there's no one could go to prison for it.
So they tried Burr for it, but there's no eyewitness.
Wow. And it ruined the rest of Burr's life.
The rest of Burr's life because everyone loved Hamilton.
Because Hamilton was George Washington's right-hand man.
He fucking is one of the main reasons we won the Revolutionary War.
He was the...
I remember when David Letterman got caught for cheating and was like, well, I'm going to go out and...
I'm not going to get blackmailed.
I'm going to go out and say, hey, I cheated on my wife.
Get the fuck out of here.
Like, I'll take the heat.
Hamilton was the first guy to do that.
Really? The Reynolds pamphlet where a woman did the same thing.
He fucks this lady and her husband comes up to him later and is like, hey, you owe money.
The husband's like, hey, you fucked my wife.
I know you fucked my wife.
I know who you are.
You can keep fucking her.
I think she's a whore, too.
He said it, but I want money.
Really? How much money?
I don't know.
I think it was like $30.
But I don't know what that was at $1,700.
joe rogan
If I could go back and talk to Hamilton, give him the money, man.
Dude's cool.
deric poston
No, but he wanted continuous money.
joe rogan
How much?
deric poston
I don't know the number exactly, but I think it was...
joe rogan
How good is this lady?
How fun is she?
deric poston
Apparently she was pretty good.
joe rogan
If you can keep this relationship going, it's beneficial to everybody involved.
deric poston
Everyone, dude.
joe rogan
You just need a little money?
Oh, okay.
You're not even mad?
deric poston
Yeah. And you got the money!
You Hamilton!
joe rogan
What the fuck is he doing?
Spend that money.
Spend them fun coupons.
deric poston
But I think he also still...
He didn't like that the other politicians were using it over.
Like, hey, we found out that you were doing this, that.
joe rogan
But weren't they all monsters back then?
unidentified
They're all monsters.
joe rogan
They're all slaves.
That's what's the craziest thing.
The moral high ground of the beginning of this country.
We're getting away from these evil...
We got slaves!
deric poston
What are you saying?
joe rogan
Everybody's a monster.
deric poston
Yeah, washes the most love, had the most.
joe rogan
It's like everywhere you go, there's hypocrisy.
You know?
Like, did you ever see that thing when Don Lemon was talking to this lady about reparations for slavery?
Did you ever see that thing?
No. Oh my god.
Please find this.
Don Lemon is talking to this British lady about reparations for slavery, and she lays out the beginnings of slavery to Don Lemon, and you see Don Lemon's dumb ass like,"Oh, very interesting." Watch this.
deric poston
He didn't know.
joe rogan
It's just, he was saying something.
That, you know, there should be reparations for slavery.
I think it's a political talking point at this point, Tom.
I think there's people that still think that people today should get money because their ancestors were slaves.
I totally understand that argument.
However, what this lady's saying...
Did you find it?
jamie vernon
It just has like a five-second thing and then it talks about the whole...
joe rogan
Oh, but there's a video.
I watched it yesterday.
jamie vernon
I'm just saying I didn't have it on the thing I'm looking for.
joe rogan
Okay. I bet on YouTube it's available.
deric poston
Don Lemon, for a smart guy, seems like an idiot sometimes.
For a guy who looks smart.
jamie vernon
There's other people reporting on it.
joe rogan
Okay, let's hear it though.
unidentified
And then you have those who are asking for reparations for colonialism, and they're wondering, you know, $100 billion, $24 billion here and there, $500 million there.
Some people want to be paid back, and members of the public are wondering, why are we suffering when you are...
You know, you have all of this vast wealth.
Those are legitimate concerns.
hilary fordwich
Well, I think you're right about reparations in terms of if people want it, though, what they need to do is you always need to go back to the beginning of a supply chain.
unidentified
Where was the beginning of the supply chain?
That was in Africa.
hilary fordwich
And when across the entire world, when slavery was taking place, which was the first nation in the world that abolished slavery?
unidentified
The first nation in the world to abolish it.
hilary fordwich
It was started by William Wilberforce, was the British.
unidentified
In Great Britain, they abolished slavery.
hilary fordwich
2,000 naval men died on the high seas trying to stop slavery.
Why? Because the African kings were rounding up their own people.
They had them on cages, waiting in the beaches.
No one was running into Africa to get them.
And I think you're totally right.
If reparations need to be paid, we need to go right back to the beginning of that supply chain and say, who was rounding up their own people and having them handcuffed in cages?
Absolutely, that's where they should start.
And maybe, I don't know, the descendants of those families where they died in the high seas, trying to stop the slavery, that those families should receive something too, I think, at the same time.
joe rogan
Look at that dumbass.
unidentified
It's an interesting discussion.
joe rogan
He knew he was in deep water.
She knew what the fuck she was talking about.
And he knew he had no history in his mind.
He's like scouring his mind for an argument.
Like, yeah, I'm gonna check out on this one right here.
deric poston
He wasn't ready for that.
joe rogan
The producer's in his ear.
Wrap it up, Don.
deric poston
Wrap it up.
joe rogan
Wrap it up.
We're going to commercial.
deric poston
We're going to Pfizer.
Oh, yeah.
When the woman brought up the ships and everything, you're like, ooh, she knows what the fuck.
joe rogan
We got a Rosemba commercial on deck.
Wrap it up.
Wrap it up.
unidentified
Oh, that big, oh, oh.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the dirty thing about it.
It's like people were monsters.
Yeah, dude.
Irish were slaves forever.
People were indentured servants.
They're brought over here.
People have been monsters forever.
And instead of doing that now, now they're picking fruit.
Picking lettuce.
Yep. You know, with no health care.
deric poston
For $2.
joe rogan
Yeah, and we're shipping jobs over to there.
So they work in these factories.
They're working 16 hours a day for $1 an hour.
Or $1 a day sometimes.
deric poston
Joe, when I was in Abu Dhabi, one of the drivers who was taking us somewhere, he said he was happy.
He was happy because his family lives back in Lebanon or wherever they lived.
But he was happy because he just got a raise to like $2 an hour.
Whoa. But, I mean, Joe, you'd have thought he was a millionaire now.
Yeah. He was like, oh my god, like, it's like a 50 cent raise.
But he was like, the things I'll be able to do for my family back in Lebanon and all this stuff.
And it was like, holy shit.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
deric poston
Yeah. And then you're there and everything there is beautiful and pristine and everything seems like the richest things in the world.
And they were really nice to us and it was awesome.
Because we were getting to do the rich things.
Yeah. But when you were talking to that guy, I vividly remember that conversation because of how truly happy he was.
He wasn't.
In his head, he was like, this is great.
Right. $2 an hour.
joe rogan
His expectations were very low.
Yeah. That's the reality when people like Bernie Sanders talk about oligarchs.
If you're going to have haves, like extreme haves, just by the nature of the world, you're going to have have-nots.
And the disparity between haves and have-nots is...
Off the charts.
And it's probably only going to get bigger.
That's what's really kind of scary.
With AI and the ability to generate wealth and what you're going to be able to figure out and do and the different ways that people are going to be able to manipulate markets and dominate certain industries with AI, I think the have and have nots.
And then you're going to have also automation, which takes over everything.
Everything. So all these jobs.
Gone. Bro, I was just driving.
Have you ever, like, we're not going to be driving much longer, dude.
deric poston
I don't think my kid, I don't think my kid's going to know driving.
I think they'll know, like, no, you just, everyone has an automated car.
joe rogan
Yeah, check this out.
I'm going to share this with you, Jamie.
I did this yesterday in my car.
My car just drives itself, dog.
Just drives itself.
If you have a Tesla, if I put in my address, I go, I press these buttons, and it just takes off.
It stops at red lights.
It changes lanes.
It, like, slows down when the traffic slows down, speeds up when the traffic speeds up.
deric poston
You could completely check out if you wanted to.
joe rogan
Totally check out.
You could totally check.
I don't do it.
I keep my hand near it.
I'm still freaked out.
deric poston
Because you've been driving your whole life.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's also just feels weird.
But it does it.
You got the video name?
deric poston
And it does it well, too?
jamie vernon
I'm just trying to make sure I'm not showing it.
I've got other stuff on the screen, and it doesn't cover that up.
joe rogan
Oh, does it show things on the screen?
jamie vernon
On my screen.
joe rogan
Oh, how dare you?
Did I fuck up?
jamie vernon
No, no, no.
I just...
joe rogan
What does it show, like, my address?
jamie vernon
No, it shows stuff that I don't want shown on the screen.
joe rogan
Oh, oh, I see.
Okay, here it is.
Check this out.
This is me in the car yesterday.
I don't like to do it all the time, but every now and again, it's pretty wild.
It changes lanes, it hits the blinkers.
See, look at C's, all those cars, that screen, it's representative of all the cars.
It knows where all the cars are.
Look, it's changing lanes.
It hits the blinker and changes lanes to get around these trucks.
unidentified
It's the future.
deric poston
Wild. It's over.
joe rogan
How wild is that?
It shows you on the screen, on the front where your dashboard is, it shows you all the cars around you.
All of them.
It keeps track of them.
It knows how fast they're going.
See that guy past me on the left?
It shows that.
It's wild.
deric poston
He's flying by you, so it's like, no, it knew the speed and rate that he was going.
joe rogan
And it knew that there was an open lane, so it hit the blinkers, and it changed lanes.
And it knows there's people behind me, it knows there's people to the right of me.
It stops at red lights, dude, and then speeds up again, stops at stop signs, it sees the cars to the left and cars to the right, knows when to go, and you can just kind of check out.
You just, like, hold your hand like this, think about your life.
Have the robot drive you around.
That is just gonna be everywhere.
Everyone's gonna be driving in these robot taxis.
You're not gonna own a car.
Like this is what the World Economic Forum wants.
You will own nothing and you'll be happy.
You'll be like that man who has two dollars an hour and so happy.
All your food will be free.
You don't need a job.
That's where the have-and-have-nots get sketchy.
Because when automation takes over everything, don't worry, we'll give you universal basic income.
And so they give universal basic income to everybody, so everybody's reliant 100% on the government now.
And then there's people that own...
All the electric taxi companies and own all the computer factories and own all the AI companies.
deric poston
The semi-trucks that'll be automated.
joe rogan
Those are the oligarchs.
Those are the haves.
And the haves never want to give that up.
unidentified
They always want more and more and more.
joe rogan
They always want to keep winning that game.
They want to be the first trillionaire.
They want to keep stacking.
deric poston
Game of Thrones, dude.
Because then it goes to your family and your family.
And then all of a sudden you're like, oh, maybe our family could be president one day.
Our family now came.
unidentified
I drink your milkshake.
joe rogan
That's it, man.
What a callback.
deric poston
That's exactly what it is.
unidentified
That's it, man.
joe rogan
It's a natural human dominator instinct.
It's a tribal dominator instinct.
And it's just applied to fiat currency and Bitcoin and financial power and influence.
And they want to control social media.
We're going to give everybody a vaccine.
deric poston
Nuts! You know those Waymos?
This is how I know it's going to be half and half nuts.
You know those Waymos cars?
Those self-driving cars?
If you order one, it's still the same price as an Uber, pretty much.
So it's like, where is this money going?
I thought the money was going to the driver.
I thought, okay, I'm giving half the money to the company, probably half the money, or whatever, however they split it.
So now you're telling me there's no driver, but the price is the same.
So you're not going to lower the price.
Where is this extra money going?
joe rogan
In their pockets.
deric poston
More profitable.
Because they're going to do that with semi-trucks.
They're going to do it with everything.
joe rogan
And then they're going to try to pass legislation to stop driving.
You shouldn't be able to drive because their money is in driving you around.
Why should you be able to drive?
You're dangerous.
You cause accidents.
Statistically, humans cause all these accidents.
deric poston
You drink?
Humans do this?
joe rogan
Bro, that's how they can get you.
That's why they're saying, you know, we don't need beef.
Cows are destroying the environment.
Cows are responsible for climate change.
unidentified
And what a convenient thing I have here in my plant-based meals.
joe rogan
My plant-based burgers.
You need unstoppable meat.
Whatever the fuck they have.
deric poston
But it'll be just like Animal Farm because they'll still be eating...
They'll be eating...
The top people are going to eat cheese and the nice fun things.
joe rogan
Bro, they're going to be eating Dodo Bird burgers.
They're eating Siberian tiger loin.
They're having a good time carving up some rhino steaks.
They're a bunch of monsters.
You know the whole market for rhino horns?
You know what that market is for?
What? It's rich people that want to get off on the fact that they're drinking tea from an endangered species.
Rhino horns, that's what they're valuable for.
That's why people are killing people.
People, so that they can kill the rhinos, they can cut their horns off so they could sell them to Asia, where very wealthy people get off on the fact that they're drinking rhino horn tea.
And they think it makes your dick hard.
deric poston
Yeah, they do think it makes your dick hard.
joe rogan
Which is hilarious.
Yeah. You know about Viagra, bitch?
Have you heard of Blue Chew?
What are you talking about?
It's so stupid.
There's way better ways.
You don't have to kill a rhino, but that's not the point.
The point is they want to kill the rhino so that they get this forbidden thing.
unidentified
We're responsible for extinction here as we sip this tea.
joe rogan
That's how dark people get.
That's like the type of people that want exclusive things.
That's Squid Game.
deric poston
That's that.
I want to watch people kill each other.
joe rogan
Darkness, man.
That's darkness.
That's real human beings will do that.
They will drink rhino horn tea.
That's the only market for rhino horns.
They're not valuable.
It's not like tusks.
Elephant tusks are made out of ivory, and ivory is very valuable.
And they use it for all kinds of different things.
They always used to use it for ornaments.
They used to make pool balls out of ivory.
And then they stopped allowing people to sell ivory, and then you could only buy pre-ban ivory in America.
But that makes sense, because you're killing an animal for this one thing that's a commodity, and it's fucked up.
But the rhino horn don't even make sense.
Like, you're killing an animal just so you can drink the tea?
That's crazy, and they're almost extinct.
unidentified
Also, to kill such a, like, a creature.
deric poston
Wow, this is a fucking animal, dude.
joe rogan
A crazy-looking creature, man.
Like, it doesn't look like it belongs in this time.
It looks like it's one of the dinosaur days.
deric poston
I read this thing yesterday about, you ever heard the bear that's called the boss?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, that one bear that's...
He's got like thousands of kids.
He got hit by a train.
unidentified
Twice! That means he got hit by a train and it was like running back.
deric poston
Running back, you bitch-ass train.
joe rogan
I'm gonna knock this motherfucker off the tracks this time.
deric poston
He got hit by a train twice, has all the cubs, and apparently eats other bears sometimes just to remind people because he's so old that the young bears try him.
So I read he eats them sometimes just to be like, I gotta let everybody know.
joe rogan
Bears eat bears.
That's real common.
Yeah, they eat cubs.
It's real dark.
A friend of mine saw it.
He saw my friend Jonathan up in Alberta.
He saw a bear and the sow and the boar were fighting.
So males, the boar, females, the sow.
They were fighting because the bear, the male, was trying to kill the cubs.
And so the female's trying to fight him off.
And eventually she can't fight him off and he gets a hold of one of the cubs and kills it.
And then she scares him off of the cub that he killed.
And then she eats the cub.
She eats her own cup.
Once it's dead, she's like, I'll just eat it.
deric poston
Why do you think it's food?
joe rogan
Once it's dead, it's just food.
Bro. You think $2 an hour is hard life?
Bears is shitting on ghettos.
Like, you think it's hard?
unidentified
Bitch, I go outside every day thinking I'm going to get eaten.
deric poston
Dealing with the boss bear.
joe rogan
Yeah. Well, that's what happens also when you have...
That's how nature balances out ecosystems, right?
Because if there's no natural predators for bears, they have to eat themselves.
Because nothing can eat a grizzly bear.
So they have to eat each other.
That's the only way they keep the population down.
deric poston
To keep it.
So there's still some salmon and some other things left for everybody else.
joe rogan
So when cubs are born, there's two things that happen.
One... Well, there's three things.
One, the male thinks of them as food.
So he wants to kill them for food.
Like, they hunt them.
They go into the dens.
When the males come out of hibernation early, they go into dens to look for cubs to eat them.
They know they do that for food.
Two, they try to bring the female into estrus again.
So if they can kill the cubs, then the female will want to breed so she can have more cubs.
And so it'll get the female so that she'll want to breed again.
And then three is competition.
They look at those cubs as potential future competition.
So it's all these horrible ways.
It's this beautiful nature.
Nature's amazing.
Nature is a fucking bloodbath.
unidentified
It's a bloodbath.
joe rogan
Even the grass is screaming.
unidentified
They found out that grass screams now.
joe rogan
Plants make noise when you're eating them.
They just can't move.
deric poston
That's too much.
The fact that we...
Are the apex because you were saying some yesterday we were talking we were saying how like it's crazy to think that aliens wouldn't think we're interesting Yeah, that's that dumb argument that I had with Neil deGrasse Tyson like what are you saying?
joe rogan
Because when you think about like me we are the top dog on this planet That's interesting in itself different than everything else here if you're gonna study anything anywhere in the fucking universe Of course you would study human beings if you're gonna study Anything.
You would go, what is this wild, crazy, territorial primate with nuclear weapons and cell phone addictions?
What is this motherfucker?
deric poston
And they're soft.
We can easily be killed.
Easily. And we're still top dog.
joe rogan
And they might have made us.
They might have engineered us, son.
That's a real, on the table, less than 0% or more than 0% possibility.
We might have been genetically engineered.
It's a real possibility.
It's a real possibility when you look at other primates and us, like, what happened here?
What happened here?
How are our cousins still roaming around barefoot, covered in hair?
Yeah. You know?
Swinging from trees, eating bananas.
And we are, somehow or another, flying rockets with an all-chick crew.
And then landing with parachutes.
Like, what?
Why are we so different?
And why we keep seeing UFOs?
Like, what the fuck is going on here?
deric poston
And we control it.
We control the tigers, the things that could kill us.
We're like, no, we're in charge.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're in charge.
Those bitch-ass water balloons.
We're basically blood balloons, sticks holding it all together.
deric poston
Compared to things that are fucking built like trucks.
joe rogan
Yeah, like a rhino.
Like, how the fuck is a rhino in danger for its stupid horn when our bitch asses are killing a rhino?
deric poston
Yeah, dude!
joe rogan
That doesn't make any sense.
We're not even eating them.
Just killing them and sawing off their fucking horns.
deric poston
That would be, yeah.
If you're an alien, you're like, they do what?
joe rogan
Do you see what they're doing now to rhinos to prevent this?
They dart them and saw their horns off first so that no one wants to kill them.
unidentified
How fucked up is that?
joe rogan
How fucked up?
Have you seen that?
deric poston
No, but the rhino must...
Need the horn for protection.
It must need it in some way.
joe rogan
If they want to fight.
Yeah, they want to fight other rhinos and fight off lions and shit like that.
Yeah, they need that horn.
I mean, there's a reason why they have it.
Yeah. Yeah, they evolved to have this giant fucking weapon in the middle of their face.
deric poston
So to cut it off.
I mean, fucking badass.
joe rogan
What a fucked up way to go.
You ever see them launch lions into the air?
Yeah, fucking launch those motherfuckers in the air.
Like, fuck you, bro.
Try getting through this.
deric poston
But yeah, to cut that off, what does that do to the rhino?
Can it live out in the...
joe rogan
Yeah, it lives fine.
Okay. It lives fine, but it just doesn't have a weapon anymore.
But it also is not attractive to the main monster, which is humans.
unidentified
And humans that just wanted to drink a tea to get your dick hard.
deric poston
Just get rocked up.
joe rogan
Whoa. Bricked.
It don't even work, I don't think.
Does it work?
I don't know.
There's rhino horn.
It might be one of them ancient Chinese secrets.
It's legit.
Does Rhino Horn get your dick hard?
jamie vernon
No evidence.
joe rogan
How dare you?
deric poston
I have a friend.
You know that Ron Taylor comedian?
Afro? He's in the Grand Mothership.
He told me he took it one time.
He's like, man, I couldn't see anything, but my dick was fucking touching the ceiling.
joe rogan
Really? He took Rhino Horn?
deric poston
He took, but like the gas station.
I don't know if that's real.
joe rogan
Oh, that's not the same thing.
Is that not the same thing?
That's those Red Band pills.
deric poston
No. But he said he couldn't see, but man, his dick was hard.
He said he could feel it.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
No, no, no, no, no.
That's like Rhino 2000, those gas station boner pills.
Yeah. Those are legit.
Sometimes. But, I mean, you want to talk about taking a chance on your life.
Like, who knows what's in there?
Who knows what's in there?
That was another thing I was reading about, like, Chinese illegal vapes.
Like, bootleg vapes that have entered into this country.
Like, pretending to be, like, legitimate companies that are selling vapes, and they're just using fucking gutter oil, and who knows what the fuck's inside of those things.
People are getting sick from them.
Yeah. No one gives a fuck about you, man.
Not in most of the world.
Most of the world is trying to get them dollars.
Get them dollars.
Fuck the world.
deric poston
Oh, fuck that, man.
joe rogan
All right, Derek, tell everybody about your special.
We talked this whole time.
Didn't tell anybody about your special.
deric poston
We didn't, but my brother, first thing I ever put out, man, I'm really excited.
First thing I ever put out, dog.
I'm excited for people to see.
And the Don't Tell, I really appreciate them, and I feel like they're the new premium blend or Comedy Central Presents.
Like, back in the day, you know, that.
Because I feel like Kill Tony is a mix between late night and America's Got Talent.
It's like a different thing.
Whereas this is for guys who are more my age who are like, alright, big companies really don't want them.
And you can put it on YouTube yourself, but do you have the money to make something that looks nice?
We'll make it for you and get you your first, so you can have your first thing out.
joe rogan
And where can people watch it?
deric poston
YouTube. Don't tell comedy.
There it is.
Beautiful. Oh my god, yeah.
joe rogan
I'm very happy for you, brother.
I'm very happy.
I've been watching you grow since you came to Austin.
It's been beautiful.
It's been amazing.
And knowing you from the Comedy Store, you were one of the first guys to take the chance coming out here.
We all just said, fuck it.
deric poston
Yeah, dawg.
joe rogan
Wound up together and we were right.
We were right.
deric poston
We were fucking so right.
unidentified
We were so right.
joe rogan
We're having so much fun.
deric poston
I mean, even Joey's going to be here tonight.
joe rogan
It's old school days.
It's old school days.
Yeah, Joey's here tonight.
Very, very excited.
And, you know, Joey's performing here.
Moon Tower's in town.
Todd Glass was there last night.
That was great.
It's been Joe DeRosa moved here now, too.
deric poston
He's the fucking best.
joe rogan
I love him, man.
We are having so much fun, man.
We're having so much fun.
deric poston
It's the best, dude.
joe rogan
I appreciate you, brother.
deric poston
I appreciate you, Joe.
joe rogan
Thank you so much for this, man.
unidentified
Thank you.
joe rogan
My pleasure.
Everybody, go check it out.
It's on YouTube right now.
Derek Poston on Instagram.
unidentified
Yes, sir.
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