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Joe Rogan Experience #2291 - Bert Kreischer
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The Joe Rogan experience.
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Good to see you.
bert kreischer
Thank you, Joe.
joe rogan
Always good to see you, my man.
bert kreischer
It's always good seeing you, man.
I always say, like, you give the best hugs.
Like the UFC the other night when I saw you.
And you came up, you just wrap it up.
I love it.
I'm a hug guy, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bert kreischer
I think it shows your emotion.
joe rogan
I love a real hug, yeah.
A real hug where someone loves you.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
You know I love you, so I give you a love hug.
bert kreischer
I know you love me.
I know you love me.
joe rogan
We've been friends for a long time, brother.
bert kreischer
I know.
joe rogan
Really have.
It's nice, like, having friends that you've been friends with for just decades, you know?
bert kreischer
I always say, I've said this before, but I always say, you're like, I never had a brother growing up.
And you've always been pretty honest with me, the way a big brother would be.
And you've always come from a place of love.
I remember the whole reason my whole—I was doing nothing and fucking nothing.
I'm sitting in the backstage of the store with you, and you look just—you go, Tommy's doing theaters.
And I said, okay.
And you need to be doing theaters.
I was like, okay.
And you're like, you need a Netflix special.
You need to get one.
I was like, all right, Joe, how am I supposed to do that?
And you go, be undeniable.
And you just walked away.
And I fucking was like, that's the kind of— Mentorship you look for in a friend.
That's who you want to be around.
Surround yourself with great white sharks, and people think you're a great white shark.
joe rogan
Well, you were always really fun and really funny, but you were always doing these travel channel shows.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And this is what drove me crazy.
I remember the day.
We've talked about it before, but I remember the day.
I was in the comedy store, and I was calling you from the main room, and you were on a motorcycle in Vietnam.
And I think you were drunk.
bert kreischer
I was drunk and hot.
Two things you're not supposed to be on a motorcycle, no helmet, in flip flops.
joe rogan
Which, by the way, it's a fun way to catch somebody.
When you call someone and you're going to go on stage in like 20 minutes.
I'm just checking in on you to see what's going on.
And you're on a fucking motorcycle in Vietnam.
I'm laughing.
But then I was like, dude, you really need to dedicate yourself to stand up.
Like, this is a trap.
It's a velvet prison.
These TV shows are a velvet prison.
And when you're on the Travel Channel, you're making great money, right?
But you're not getting "I can retire now" money.
bert kreischer
No.
joe rogan
There's no "fuck you" money.
It's "I can live well" money.
It's a great job.
But it's one of those jobs where at a certain point in time you gotta go, "Okay, I have to jump ship."
You know, I can't keep doing this.
Like, this is going to fuck up everything else I'm doing.
bert kreischer
It's hard to pull that trigger, too, because, like with kids and a family and a house, and you go, okay, it's not great money, but it's good money.
And the road was not great money, and I remember you saying, you need a Netflix special.
I remember you saying that to me.
On that motorcycle, I'm sitting, I pulled, I had headsets in, I was listening to The Doors, Magic Caravan, Spanish Caravan, and I was flying, I was high, there were oxen on either side of me, the sun was setting, and you're like, dude.
This is who you are.
Fuck that Travel Channel bullshit.
Get away from it.
You need to focus on stand-up and your podcast.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bert kreischer
And I was like, yeah.
And you're like, you're the fucking machine.
If you don't talk about this on stage, then you're doing yourself a disservice.
joe rogan
Well, there's certain people that you know their full potential because when they're with you, they're completely relaxed.
And, you know, everyone's just having a great time and you get to see them at their best.
And when you're crying, laughing, just hanging out, talking to a guy, you're like, this guy's got it.
He's just got to figure out how to get rid of all the other shit in his life and focus on that.
Because you were always so fucking funny.
And I was like, how is this guy doing these shows where he's letting people hurt him and all this...
Like, when you were doing Hurt, Bert, I was like, what are you doing?
Don't get hurt.
And then I...
Also, I'd gone through it with Fear Factor.
Fear Factor was a great job, don't get me wrong.
Very happy that I got it.
It was wonderful.
It gave me fuck you money.
It gave me the ability to do whatever I want after that.
But it was a thing where I was like, this is not what I want to do.
What I want to do is what I always do.
Just stand up, have fun.
You know, I was doing the UFC back then, too.
So I was like, do the UFC commentary, things I love doing.
That's what I want to be doing.
I don't want to be doing just a job.
Jobs are great.
Don't get me wrong.
I'm thankful I got it.
But at a certain point in time, if you want to reach your full potential, you have to realize, like, this is holding me back.
And sometimes people don't want to tell you that, because it's a job.
And it's a great gift.
And I've had people tell me, like, don't leave Fairfax.
I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about?
I have to leave.
I'm like, I have to leave.
I gotta go.
bert kreischer
I remember those times.
I remember people saying, because I knew you as Joe the stand-up.
And I remember people saying, he does comedy?
And I was like, no, that's what he does.
Like, he's not an actor.
He's not a host.
He's a comedian.
joe rogan
But that's understandable, right?
Like, my stand-up, I'd only done, like, by then, I'd only done, like, a couple things that were out that were available.
And I was on the hugest show.
In television, Fear Factor was fucking gigantic.
bert kreischer
It was massive.
joe rogan
It was nuts.
bert kreischer
It was massive.
Monday nights?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It was a fun job.
bert kreischer
You know it was a big show when 20 years later you remember the night it was on.
joe rogan
But this is what's important.
Even though it was the number one show in the country, I still had that feeling.
Like, I don't want to really be doing this.
I'm happy to do it.
I'm very thankful that I got the job.
I worked with some amazing people.
It was a lot of fun.
We had a great crew.
Really fun time.
But I didn't want to do it.
I wanted to do this.
I didn't know I wanted to do this because this wasn't a thing.
But once I figured it out, I was like, oh, this is what I want to do.
I want to do this in stand-up in the UFC, which to me is not even a job.
It's like a vacation.
bert kreischer
It's crazy watching you operate in the UFC and seeing that mechanism and to think when you started that.
Like, how far that path with the UFC has been for you?
Oh, for me, it was 97. I know, but walking in through the other day, and I was like, oh, this has been Joe's life for fucking 26 years.
joe rogan
Well, you know, if you're a person who's a martial artist, and you're a fan of martial arts...
If you get a job to do that, like if you get a job to talk about martial arts and to express your love for it and your appreciation for the athletes, appreciation for the fighters and what they have to go through to get to where they're at and the magnitude of their accomplishments and to put words to that.
To be able to do that for a living, that's an honor.
That's how I feel.
It's an honor.
It's an honor.
And I feel like I do a good job at it and I like doing it and I'm super passionate about it and I don't do it.
Because it's a job, I do it because I love it.
I don't need to do it.
I could have quit a long time ago.
I could just watch it.
We're doing a fight companion this weekend.
It's going to be fun.
We're going to hang out.
What are you doing Saturday?
unidentified
I don't know.
bert kreischer
Oh, I'm in Vegas.
joe rogan
Are you really?
bert kreischer
I have two shows in Vegas this weekend.
joe rogan
Oh, nice.
bert kreischer
At Resorts World Theater.
joe rogan
Nice.
bert kreischer
Oh, I should say, my special, Lucky.
It's streaming right now on Netflix.
joe rogan
Right now.
bert kreischer
Right now.
I say lucky because I am the luckiest fucking guy in the world.
I really am.
When you think about, like, finding the friends I did later in life, you know?
Like at, like, 37 or 38 when I started meeting all you guys and hanging out with you guys.
And then, you know, getting into comedy at the time I did.
We got into comedy when it wasn't a job.
It was weird.
It was like joining the fucking circus.
joe rogan
It was.
bert kreischer
And I only got into comedy because I got discovered by Rolling Stone magazine as the number one party in the country.
I mean, what are the fucking odds of my life tracking out?
So that's why I named it Lucky.
joe rogan
Well, we're all very lucky.
That's absolutely sure.
No dispute.
We're all very lucky.
If you're listening to this, you're very lucky.
Because you can fucking hear.
How about that?
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you're watching it, you're very lucky that you can see.
You're very lucky that you can afford a phone.
You're very lucky.
Like, most of the world lives in utter poverty.
And that's the unfortunate reality of all these people virtue signaling about the 1%.
Like, bitch, you're in the 1%.
You're in the 1% of the world.
There's someone digging blood diamonds in Sierra Leone right now, smoking brown brown, and he's 11. If you make $34,000 in America, you're in the 1% of the world.
How about that?
bert kreischer
Wow.
joe rogan
Yep.
That's real.
bert kreischer
My father-in-law still isn't in that 1%.
unidentified
Hey, life's not good for everybody.
bert kreischer
Life's not good for everybody.
joe rogan
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bert kreischer
I always think luck is a perspective.
joe rogan
You work hard, dude.
You're not just lucky.
You work hard.
You work real hard.
You're always touring.
You're always doing things.
You're always putting together new shit.
You're always working.
You're always hustling.
It's not just luck.
It's luck plus...
You love to party, but...
You also have a great work ethic, and that's very, very important, man.
It's like you can't just be lucky.
Lucky's huge.
You gotta get lucky.
But also, if you work really hard, you tend to get luckier.
Especially if you're smart, and if you're willing to take risks.
Like, for you, the Travel Channel would think that was a risk.
Like, you had to listen to your friends, and you had to go, you know what, they're fucking right, everybody else is cooking right now, and my stand-up's kind of stalled out because I'm doing this TV show.
And, again, it's coming from someone who was there.
And I'm telling you that if you're making millions, and you still feel that way...
Versus if you're making thousands, you still feel that way?
You gotta trust me.
There's another way to get through this.
And the other way we found.
We got, you know, we were right.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look, we fucking saw light at the end of the tunnel.
We were like, this is the way to go.
And we were right.
bert kreischer
I remember you telling all of us, you guys need a podcast.
And I remember saying to Tom, he's out of his mind.
Why don't we just do his?
joe rogan
No, everybody thought I was out of my mind for even doing mine.
Like, people mocked me openly.
Like, Howard Stern famously mocked all people that were doing podcasts.
You're wasting your time.
But in his mind, that was correct.
Because he didn't have this...
He wasn't an internet kid.
I'm not an internet kid, but I used to build my own computers in the 90s.
I used to go to Fry's Electronics and get motherboards and hard drives.
My friend Andrew used to help me over the phone.
I'd call him.
He's like a wizard tech guy.
I had bought all these high-end gaming computers and upgraded the video cards.
I was on all these, like, crazy websites.
We'd send each other, like, you know, those are the two girls, one cup days.
So I was pretty plugged in.
bert kreischer
What was the guy, Mr. Smiles or something?
joe rogan
Oh, Mr. Hands.
bert kreischer
Mr. Hands.
Keep going.
joe rogan
So I was pretty plugged in to the idea that the internet was something that people were finding stuff that just wasn't available anywhere else.
I got all these, like, crazy lectures, these Alan Watts lectures that I downloaded.
I'm like, this is nuts.
That was back when you had a download.
And then you had to upload it to an AirPod.
Remember your AirPods with the wheel?
bert kreischer
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Those were the shit.
bert kreischer
Oh, I remember that.
joe rogan
Yeah, the little wheel that would spun around.
I loved that thing.
And so I would download all these Terrence McKenna lectures and all these Timothy Leary, all these fascinating conversations that I would download.
And then I started thinking about it.
And then I was like, well...
There's podcasts.
So people just like start, let's just start doing one of those.
We just start doing it.
And I was like, nobody was listening to them.
It was like Adam Carolla had a big one because Adam had just left terrestrial radio.
He was the morning guy that replaced Howard Stern when Howard Stern went to XM, right?
So he's on, or Sirius, whatever it was.
So it's both now, right?
So he's on morning radio all over the country, but morning radio is like super stagnant.
and they had a LA talk radio station, where it was all talk radio.
So it was Tom Likas, it was him, there was a few other people, I can't remember.
Ricky Rockman had a show.
bert kreischer
Yeah, Phil Hendry I think had a show.
joe rogan
He had a different show.
Phil Hendry was the AM guy.
unidentified
It's one of the greatest shows of all time.
joe rogan
And he's a super nice guy.
I met him once in Montreal.
So for people who don't know, Phil Hendry...
He's the caller and he's the answerer.
He does different voices.
And he gets people so angry because the callers will say the dumbest fucking shit.
And then you'll have actual people calling in to argue with the caller who's all Phil Hendry.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
I remember sitting next to my dad's bed.
My dad's in his underwear and he's got his alarm clock and we're listening to it.
My dad's just like this.
And my dad goes, buddy, he's both of them.
I was like, what?
He goes, this is all him.
unidentified
Yeah.
bert kreischer
And you're just like, whoa.
I mean, it was so ahead of its time.
joe rogan
So ahead of its time.
And once you were in on the joke, it was amazing.
bert kreischer
Oh, it was amazing.
joe rogan
If I was coming home from the store, it was Phil Henry or Art Bell.
That was what I listened to.
bert kreischer
God.
joe rogan
The old days.
So Art Bell was my favorite.
bert kreischer
Who was Art Bell?
joe rogan
Art Bell was coast to coast with Art Bell from the kingdom of Nye.
He was broadcasting from a fucking...
Bunker in the middle of the Nevada desert.
He had this crazy radio tower outside of his house in the Nevada desert, and he would take calls from time travelers, werewolves, people that are coming from another dimension.
It was the nuttiest fucking show.
For real, one of my greatest career accomplishments that made me the most happy was I got on the Art Bell show.
And I got on it, like, way later when he was on the internet.
It wasn't even on radio anywhere.
But for me, it was like, I got on the Art Bell show.
unidentified
Yes!
joe rogan
It was just like, I just loved that show.
It was so fun.
Because I'd be driving on, that was his house.
So look at, if you see, like, what his house looked like, it's like his house is in the middle of nowhere in the fucking desert.
I mean, the middle of nowhere.
There's nothing around his house.
And his house is all fenced in, like, chain link fence and shit.
It looks like so...
It looks so psychotic, like perfect for a guy that is broadcasting.
He's got like this compound in the fucking desert, dude.
bert kreischer
God.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was amazing.
And he would broadcast right from there.
Because radio, if you have a tower and you have a station, you can broadcast to the whole country.
The country can carry it.
So the whole country was carrying coast to coast with Art Bell.
And this wild motherfucker is out in the middle of nowhere in the desert.
In, like, a compound talking to aliens.
bert kreischer
They were doing what we're doing now way before the curve.
joe rogan
Oh, yes.
Well, we owe all we have today to Howard Stern and Art Bell, for sure.
Because, you know, we are kind of like a combination of Howard Stern and Art Bell.
And if it wasn't for...
He's the guy that got arrested, or didn't get arrested, but he got fined heavily by the Bush administration.
This is back when the Republicans were the ones that were trying to censor people, which you should always realize.
bert kreischer
It's crazy that you got to say that.
joe rogan
This fucking stupid game that people play back and forth with, you know, who loves war, who hates war, who loves censorship, who hates censorship.
It's a political beach ball that they toss around at a concert to keep people occupied.
These motherfuckers switch sides, right?
That should tell you enough alone by yourself.
By itself, right there.
They fucking switched sides.
But he was getting attacked for obscenity.
Whatever they would do.
What was the total amount that Howard Stern was fined?
You've got a neurotic guy, as it is, who's also the most pioneering radio guy of all time.
He's the guy that...
It changed radio from DJs playing records to just talking.
bert kreischer
And talking in your authentic voice and not, hey, welcome back.
joe rogan
Talking in your authentic voice and having wild shit on the radio.
bert kreischer
$2.5 million?
joe rogan
$2.5 million between 1990 and 2004.
So they fucked with him for 14 years.
14 years.
bert kreischer
And that's not paid by the station.
That's paid by him.
joe rogan
Fined owners of radio station licenses that carried the Howard Stern show.
A total of $2.5 million for content and considered to be indecent.
Indecent.
So all the stuff that we do on podcasts right now, we would 100% have been fined.
100%.
I would have been off the air a long time ago.
It was real censorship, but it was just done under the guise of broadcast.
The idea is if you're going to broadcast something on a major network like NBC, CBS.
They have rules to language and what you're allowed to show.
Which is kind of crazy.
Like, why do you have those rules?
Like, why do those rules exist?
To keep obscenity from television and like...
Maybe that was a good idea in 1950 when people didn't know any better.
But now that we know better, why do you have rules like that?
bert kreischer
I can't believe that radio still has those rules.
And the rules are slippery.
You can say dickhead.
joe rogan
You can't say cunt.
bert kreischer
But you can't say suck my dick.
joe rogan
You can't say anything you want to say.
Sometimes cunt's the right word.
bert kreischer
Cunt's one of my favorite words.
joe rogan
Every now and then it's the right word when used correctly.
If you can't say it, then you can't fully express yourself.
And if you don't like people fully expressing themselves because you don't like certain sounds, I suggest you grow the fuck up.
That's a ridiculous way to think.
If I can say cock, but I can't say cocksucker.
If I could say dick, like Dick Cheney, but I can't say suck a dick.
What are we doing?
It's the same sound.
You're making the same sound.
I can say pussy, cat.
Pussycat's fine.
You know, you can't say N-word breakfast.
You know what I'm saying?
bert kreischer
You can.
You gotta look both ways.
joe rogan
You gotta be black.
But you know what I'm saying?
If you want to say certain words that are forbidden words, sometimes they're okay.
So it's the sound is sometimes okay?
bert kreischer
It even gets trickier.
There was a video I was cutting to promote my tour or whatever, and it's me on a boat, or the special.
It's me on a boat, and there's this There's this page I'm really obsessed with.
It's Fat N-Word Season.
Joe is so addictive.
It's all AI, and I think they're promoting a crypto coin.
joe rogan
Of course.
bert kreischer
And I didn't like the edit, so I go, hey, put Fat N-Word Summer.
Play that song.
And it's fucking so much funnier, Joe.
It's so much funnier with me shirtless on a boat.
These guys are great.
My wife saw it.
She was like, that's offensive.
I was like, No.
joe rogan
She's right.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
And then I sent it to Tommy.
I go, is this racist?
And he was like, sent it to the wrong guy.
All Tom sends me is videos of fat black chicks on rope swings.
Our whole thread is just any time a chick takes an L off a cliff.
joe rogan
God, I gotta get on that thread because the one me and Tommy are on is horrible.
bert kreischer
What's that one?
joe rogan
It's all murder.
bert kreischer
Oh yeah, that's the other side of his brain.
joe rogan
We send each other to the murder and car accidents.
Today was a car accident.
It was guys escaping the cops and the guy flips this van multiple times, gets thrown into traffic and then run over by cars.
And it's just splatterfest.
bert kreischer
I can't watch those.
I was telling someone...
My niece had my phone.
And she's like, three?
And you forget what your algorithm looks like.
And it was Fat M where Summer Song came on.
And she's like, Uncle Bert?
And then the next video was a chick pissing on the past out of his head.
And I was like, maybe you shouldn't use my phone to relax with.
joe rogan
Yeah, my kids know better.
bert kreischer
My algorithm is fucked, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah, my algorithm's not good.
bert kreischer
It is fucked.
joe rogan
My YouTube algorithm's great.
bert kreischer
Oh, my YouTube algorithm's all history.
joe rogan
A lot of my YouTube algorithm lately has been watching people build things.
I love cabinet makers and carpenters.
There's this one guy who makes these specialized desks that have secret drawers and shit.
unidentified
Oh, hold on!
bert kreischer
I follow that guy!
unidentified
Where you put your hand here and a magnet comes up and a wand comes out and he waves it.
bert kreischer
Fuck, those desks are badass!
joe rogan
Yeah, he wave the wand and the keyboard rolls out.
Like, yeah, it's pretty dope.
There's a bunch of those guys that make these, like, super ingenious, like, homemade artisan desks.
bert kreischer
Yeah, that, or if you get me a chick with no bra doing survival techniques in the woods, fucking, I'm in.
joe rogan
That's a sell.
bert kreischer
I've watched so many of those, just rock hard nipples.
joe rogan
Hot chicks have found their way into basically all walks of life as influencers.
You know, there's like hot chick hunters.
There's hot chick jiu-jitsu girls.
There's hot chick crossfitters.
bert kreischer
There's definitely hot chick golfers.
joe rogan
Oh, a lot of that.
bert kreischer
I ran into Paige Spiernak at the Super Bowl.
And I was like, I had to be real because I'm a golfer.
I was like, I follow you for your swing.
You have a great swing.
joe rogan
Right.
bert kreischer
But then you know what's crazy about Paige?
She can't...
Snap her fingers or whistle?
joe rogan
How'd you find that out?
bert kreischer
Because we were playing a game like weird things about us and she was like, "I can't snap my fingers."
And I watched her and she went like this.
She was like...
And she goes, "I can't whistle."
And she starts going...
joe rogan
How could you not snap your fingers?
bert kreischer
I have no idea.
unidentified
She's the most followed golfer, Joe.
joe rogan
Damn!
unidentified
And she's not.
joe rogan
Tiger Woods only has 3.5 million followers, and she's got four!
And she's not a professional.
Yeah, if you're hot, you could do a lot in this world.
bert kreischer
And you could also not whistle and snap.
joe rogan
You don't have to snap.
That's not important.
You care?
bert kreischer
Yeah, she's super hot.
But she does have a great swing.
joe rogan
I bet she does.
Jesus Christ.
bert kreischer
If she's not wearing a bra, it's so good.
Look at that.
Just watch one.
joe rogan
This seems pornographic almost.
bert kreischer
Whoa!
Oh, there we go.
joe rogan
I wonder why she's got so many followers.
unidentified
She's got a cough.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
I don't even know if I saw any movement.
bert kreischer
I swear to God, if I had tits...
joe rogan
Do you want to talk about Lucky?
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's the Willy Wonka golden ticket, being a super hot woman.
Like, all you have to do is be nice, and doors just open up everywhere.
Like, da-da-da-da, she's here!
If you're that hot, anywhere you go.
Red carpets get rolled out, roses get thrown at your feet.
bert kreischer
She was walking down a radio row at Super Bowl with Cam Hayward, and both of us are like, just stop talking.
joe rogan
But also, creepers.
Creepers launch themselves at you.
You're never invisible.
Guys are fucking with you all the time.
Overconfident guys are hitting on you all the time and then getting really mean when you reject them.
That's the thing that chicks have to deal with.
They have to deal with angry guys that are angry that they get rejected and they start insulting them and yelling at them.
That's scary shit, man.
That's scary shit.
bert kreischer
Think about all our friends, all our female comedians that have stalkers.
I mean, like, it's so...
You work your ass off as a comic, you happen to be pretty, you start killing it, and then all the fucking psychos come out of the woodwork.
joe rogan
And you don't have any money.
So, you know, probably live in a place that's easy to get to.
bert kreischer
That's crazy.
Yeah, I don't...
joe rogan
Yeah, it's dangerous.
There's a lot of fucking...
Well, we need better mental health care in this fucking country.
And there's a lot of people out there that are out of their fucking mind.
And if no one's paying attention to them or checking in on them, like imagine your average guy who loses his fucking mind and you're a 40-year-old guy who works at a gas station.
You've been working at that gas station for 20 years and no one's paying attention.
And you're just slowly losing your fucking mind.
And, you know, you think Jared Leto is Satan.
And, you know, you've decided that, like, someone's sending you code on television.
And then you lock on to some female comedian.
And, like, that's your target.
That's who you're...
bert kreischer
It's got to feel nice, though.
joe rogan
What?
bert kreischer
To be the lunatic.
joe rogan
No.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
bert kreischer
Have something to focus on.
joe rogan
Don't encourage this.
Have something to focus on.
Play video games, guys.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
Get involved in Call of Duty, okay?
You don't have to fucking go stalk people.
Find something productive.
Play online chess, you fucking psycho.
You don't have to go stalk people.
bert kreischer
I always had that brain that, you know, I'd see something, like a new addiction come up, like cutting, and I'd go, I wonder what that does.
Like, I was always looking for something like that, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bert kreischer
Like, I could never do eating disorder.
That was too tough for me.
But, hey, how about when we were at dinner with that guy?
And I said to him, I ran marathons.
And he went, you do?
joe rogan
That was funny.
bert kreischer
And he was like, I wasn't trying to be rude.
joe rogan
That was funny.
He was definitely trying to be rude.
But he was being funny.
We were talking shit.
That's Taylor.
Taylor Sheridan.
bert kreischer
He was awesome, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah, I like how you call him, that guy.
bert kreischer
Well, I didn't want to blow a spot up.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bert kreischer
Dude, let me tell you something.
I'm going to give props to Taylor Sheridan.
I haven't said this to anyone.
I try to keep those moments that you have with those guys private.
So I was a little bit of a party snitch for a while.
But he's a great American storyteller.
joe rogan
He really is.
bert kreischer
When he tells you anything about his life or what he's doing, he doesn't even call it breaking a horse.
He calls it a different term.
But I'm sitting there going, like, this is, I mean, and this is going to be slanderous a little bit, you know, considering difference of time of where they were, but, like, it's like having dinner with Ernest Hemingway.
He's created some of the greatest content out there.
Yellowstone?
joe rogan
You can't compare him to Ernest Hemingway because Ernest Hemingway is dead.
And a legend.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's the problem.
bert kreischer
Okay.
joe rogan
But he's amazing.
bert kreischer
But amazing.
joe rogan
Do you ever see that Hell or High Water?
You ever see that film?
bert kreischer
No.
unidentified
What's that?
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
It's one of his films.
bert kreischer
Oh, that's Taylor's film.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's fucking great.
unidentified
Pull up Hell or High Water.
joe rogan
This fucking movie, dude.
This fucking movie is incredible.
Jeff Bridges is in it.
bert kreischer
Yeah, I've seen this.
joe rogan
It's about bank robbers.
Criminals in a small town.
It's fucking good, dude.
bert kreischer
I think, uh, what's his name's in this?
Oh, shit.
unidentified
We have a friend in this.
joe rogan
Who's your friend?
bert kreischer
No, me and you.
I think it's our friend.
I don't know who it is, though.
I forget.
joe rogan
Okay.
Jamie, go to the cast.
Who's in that?
bert kreischer
God, Ben Foster's so fucking good.
joe rogan
That guy's so good.
You know what that guy was in that super underrated one of his performances?
Because it's such a wacky movie.
30 Days of Night.
Did you ever see 30 Days of Night?
bert kreischer
No, what's 30 Days of Night?
joe rogan
30 Days of Night is the second best vampire movie of all time.
bert kreischer
Really?
joe rogan
First best vampire movie of all time is the most recent Nosferatu.
That's the best vampire movie of all time.
bert kreischer
The one that just came out?
joe rogan
The one that just came out.
bert kreischer
Okay, Nosferatu, okay.
joe rogan
The best vampire movie of all time.
bert kreischer
Is it streaming yet?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
bert kreischer
Oh, I can't wait.
joe rogan
It's on Apple.
But this was 30 Days of Night.
Was a movie where Ben Foster played like a vampire familiar and these vampires would go to they went to Alaska in the middle of the winter where it's it's dark for 30 days so they could be out for 30 days and They're fucking terrifying vampires.
They're really fun It's a really good and Ben Foster plays the vampire familiar, you know, so the familiar is like that's him in there What's a familiar?
A familiar is a human that the vampires use to get close to humans, and they promise the human that one day he'll have eternal life, and he'll be one of them.
So the vampire goes and sets up people for the vampire familiar, sets people up to be killed by the vampires.
bert kreischer
Oh, shut up.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bert kreischer
I gotta watch this.
Dude, he was great in the...
What was the movie where they kidnapped a kid?
Justin Timberlake was in it?
Raw Dog?
Not Raw Dog.
joe rogan
Ben Foster's a beast.
bert kreischer
He's awesome.
He's a beast.
311 to Zuma or whatever?
joe rogan
I didn't see that one.
bert kreischer
Yuma.
Oh my God.
He is.
joe rogan
What is it, Chairman?
unidentified
310 to Yuma.
bert kreischer
310 to Yuma.
joe rogan
I didn't see that.
bert kreischer
He was great.
And the Justin Timberlake movie, it was called like Top Dog or something.
unidentified
Alpha Dog.
bert kreischer
Alpha Dog.
And he was just awesome.
And he had a very small role.
He played the guy's older brother.
And it was just like, he just owns a screen.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a beast.
There's certain people that when they act, you just go, God damn.
bert kreischer
I am not one of them.
joe rogan
So good.
So good.
So it makes a movie so much better.
You just get dragged into it.
bert kreischer
I think Jonah Ray is probably the best comic actor out there.
joe rogan
What has he been in?
bert kreischer
Jonah Ray.
Everything.
When he was in War Dogs and he goes to buy drugs from the black guys.
joe rogan
Oh, I didn't see that either.
There's too much to see, Bert Kreischer.
bert kreischer
Oh, man, I'm telling you.
I'm just starting now to just download stuff and get off Instagram.
And if I'm going to bed, just turn on a documentary and start watching it.
joe rogan
What does that mean by just starting now to get off Instagram?
bert kreischer
I'm trying.
Jonah Hill.
joe rogan
Jonah Hill, you mean?
bert kreischer
Yeah, what did I say?
unidentified
Jonah Ray.
bert kreischer
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Okay, that's why you're confusing me.
bert kreischer
Sorry, Jonah Ray.
joe rogan
No, Jonah Hill's awesome.
bert kreischer
Jonah Hill's fucking amazing.
joe rogan
He's great.
bert kreischer
Jonah Hill is amazing.
He was in War Dogs.
He goes up and buys weed from the black guys.
And he's like, how much do you guys?
120 bucks.
And he gives them the 120 bucks.
And then he's trying to keep talking to himself.
And he's like, Jonah's like, hey.
He's got a voice.
What are we doing here?
Hi, guys?
And they're like, get the fuck out.
And he's like, oh, okay.
Okay.
And he goes to the back of his trunk and pulls out a machine gun and goes...
He goes, can you listen to me now?
He's just awesome, dude.
Awesome, man.
I fucking love that guy.
joe rogan
There's too many movies to be paying attention to these days.
When I was a kid, if you said you didn't know, you never saw Apocalypse Now?
What the fuck?
Once VHS tapes came out, you're supposed to have seen the big ones.
You didn't see The Godfather?
You didn't see Star Wars?
Are you out of your fucking mind?
But today, it's like...
They never stopped making movies.
They've never stopped.
They make new ones every year.
You can't keep up.
There's no way.
bert kreischer
And all the ones that were up for Oscars, I saw none of those.
unidentified
Well, they all involved chaos.
joe rogan
They all involved the end of civilization.
If you want to win an Oscar, you have to be trans lives matter all the way.
What do you do to win an Oscar today?
You have to have something that's got some meaning to it other than just being a good movie.
Right?
There's gotta be some social justice aspect to it.
Wasn't there like some thing where they were talking about...
unidentified
God damn it.
joe rogan
I can't remember what the article was about.
But it was about requirements for a film to win an Oscar today.
What they believe to be requirements.
I don't like awards.
Do you know what it is?
There was something that was just...
Representation and inclusion standards?
That's it.
That's it.
bert kreischer
That's not the only way to tell a story.
joe rogan
That's not.
Because if you do that, you don't get Shogun.
bert kreischer
Okay?
joe rogan
You don't get Shogun.
You gotta have an all-Japanese cast if you want to get Shogun.
You know, you can't have a fully diverse, you know, 50-50 split of...
Whatever.
Everybody.
You can't.
bert kreischer
No.
joe rogan
You have to tell a specific kind of a movie.
If you're going to make a movie about the Congo, you can't have white people play native Congolese people.
You can't have that.
So it's like some stories are not diverse.
It doesn't make them less valid.
It doesn't mean you're racist.
It just means that some stories take place in Norway and they involve Vikings.
Okay?
This is like just a part of human history.
You know?
Some places...
Some stories take place in Egypt and they involve Africans, okay?
It's like there's plenty of room for every kind of fucking story, but if you only want like a specific type of story to win an Academy Award, you don't get The Godfather.
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You don't get that movie.
bert kreischer
You don't get Jaws.
joe rogan
You got to get all Italians if you want the Godfather.
bert kreischer
Think about who were the Oscar winners when we were kids were all fucking banger movies that everyone saw.
That everyone saw.
Best Picture won Best Picture because it was Best Picture, not because it was a Best Picture about a trans social worker that got abducted.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, they got distorted.
They got distorted with what the job is.
The job is just to purely entertain people with a great piece of work.
That's all it is.
That's the whole job.
And that could be Pulp Fiction.
You know, there's no...
Message in Pulp Fiction.
unidentified
There's none.
joe rogan
It's fucking chaos.
And it's amazing.
bert kreischer
The message we took away was that white guys can say the N-word.
joe rogan
I guess.
bert kreischer
We were like, all right!
joe rogan
As long as you have a gun in your hand, you can do it.
But the whole movie is just madness.
But it's amazing.
You can't deny how great it is.
Like, that's supposed to be what the best movie is.
It's not supposed to be...
I don't even know if that won Best Film.
Did it win Best Film?
Did Pulp Fiction win Best Picture?
No, but I think he won Best Director and Best...
It should have won Best Picture.
bert kreischer
Him and Roger Avery together were fucking gangsters.
joe rogan
Who the fuck won Best Picture?
That was a really good year.
Oh, that's right.
We actually talked about that on the podcast.
I think it was actually Unforgiven that year, but I'm going to make sure.
bert kreischer
Unforgiven was a fucking great movie.
joe rogan
Fucking great movie.
bert kreischer
God!
joe rogan
That was Clint Eastwood going back and cleaning up all his old westerns.
That's what that movie was.
I was like, let me show you what it was probably really like.
What it was really like.
Not this...
You know, fucking, everybody's looking at you sideways.
No, the reality was that character that he played, that old assassin.
bert kreischer
What year do you think movies stopped being great movies and started being, like, what year did we switch?
joe rogan
I think people are still making great movies.
bert kreischer
But they're not winning Oscars.
joe rogan
Well...
I think who cares?
I really do.
I think once Will Smith slapped Chris Rock, the Oscars to me were like, what?
I'm done.
I'm done.
And then they all applauded him and gave him a standing ovation afterwards when he won an Oscar.
I'm like, I'm done.
bert kreischer
Forrest Gump.
joe rogan
Forrest Gump was a banger.
Shawshank Redemption?
Oh my god.
bert kreischer
I saw every movie on there.
joe rogan
Quiz show?
bert kreischer
Quiz Show was great.
joe rogan
I never saw Four Weddings and a Funeral.
I thought it was great, though.
bert kreischer
Dude, it made you want to date a fucking British chick.
It made you want to have a rich friend, live in a castle, get drunk, watch a friend die, and fucking...
joe rogan
Okay.
But that makes sense that that was the best film.
What an amazing year.
Shawshank, Pulp Fiction, Quiz Show was fucking great.
By the way, that was a real thing.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, they really fucking rigged a quiz show.
That's why there's all sorts of rules if you're running a game show, because I was on a game show, Fear Factor.
It was my best way to get people away from me.
If they ask me, how do we get on Fear Factor?
I go, if you want to get on, you can't even talk to me.
Because if you talk to me, then I'll have previously known you, then it could be seen that I helped you get on the show, so I can't talk to you.
unidentified
It was great.
bert kreischer
It's a great workaround.
joe rogan
It was great, and it was true.
bert kreischer
Sorry.
Can't be your friend.
Did they have someone really judging the horse sperm?
Judging it?
Like an official officiating it because it was prize money?
Meaning, like, the quiz show was all about them breaking the rules.
joe rogan
Right.
bert kreischer
And you had to have someone, a standards and practice guy on your team, making sure the game was fair for everyone, correct?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think there was something like that.
I guess the network just did that.
I think we kind of ran the idea, or they ran the ideas by the network, and the network decided, you know, whether or not this was fair or what have you.
But everything was always fair.
Like, that show was...
You know, nobody got knowledge of the stunt before they got there.
We blindfolded everybody.
They were traveling around in vans.
They would be blindfolded.
Sometimes they'd cover their ears so they couldn't even hear.
And then they would take their blindfolds off and then right there and then they would find out what they had to do.
So right there and then they find out they got to get covered in snakes or something like that.
And we knew that someone had a fear of snakes.
Because you fill out a form.
You know, if you got a fear of snakes, guess what?
You might wind up on the snake episode.
You know, it was a fucking crazy show.
But, you know, it was all fair.
But that quiz show, they, you know, they figured it out like the mob figured out the fucking lottery.
You know, Whitey Bulger won the lottery twice.
bert kreischer
Did he really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
You know how bold you have to be to be a gangster in South Boston and not just win the lottery once, but win the lottery twice!
Like, see if you can find that.
bert kreischer
Wait, how do you rig the numbers that big?
joe rogan
That's crazy.
You can kind of get away with stuff before the internet.
Before the internet, you could get away with things like that.
Where you could kind of rig the lottery a couple of times and everybody's like, why do you want again?
What the fuck?
bert kreischer
Oh, that's great.
joe rogan
When I was a kid and I was living in Boston, I used to teach one of his hitmen.
I taught one of his hitmen Taekwondo.
bert kreischer
What's it like teaching a hitman?
joe rogan
It was weird.
bert kreischer
Are they good students?
joe rogan
Yeah, he was very disciplined.
He was a known guy in the South Boston Irish mob.
And he wanted to learn how to fight.
A lottery winner had been one of Bolger's brilliant schemes to launder his drug extortion loan sharking money back in the summer.
Which makes sense, right?
What better way?
Why do you have a Cadillac?
I won the fucking lottery.
Oh, we're clear.
So you can have all your shit.
Millions lottery ticket had been purchased at the South Boston Liquor Mart by Michael Linsky, who was the brother of a Bulger underling named Patrick Linsky.
The FBI learned that once Whitey heard about the jackpot, he ordered the real winner to sign the ticket over, with Whitey and two associates paying $2.3 million in cash for 50% of the winnings.
Bulger himself paid Linsky $700,000 Although Linsky lost money in the deal He really had no choice He came down to selling the ticket or risking his life Kevin Weeks, whose name also appeared in the winning lottery The winning ticket Later claimed that Linsky
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and promised to split any winnings with Bulger in weeks.
But Week's story makes little sense.
The so-called Christmas gifts were purchased during the dog days of summer.
So they did it.
The scam set up a 20-year legitimate income stream for Whitey where he earned $119,000 each year.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
bert kreischer
That's brilliant.
joe rogan
Yeah, so that's what he did.
He found out that somebody won it.
He's totally tuned into the neighborhood.
Find that guy, fuck him over, take his ticket.
Look, I won the lottery.
bert kreischer
And you have no choice.
joe rogan
You have no choice.
bert kreischer
It's like when the guy hit Gotti's grandson with a car.
joe rogan
Right.
Yeah, you're dead.
bert kreischer
Yeah, you gotta die now.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're dead.
Yeah, if you lived in that...
That time, like in the 1980s, when I used to teach this guy Taekwondo, like you would always hear about hits.
I knew a guy who got arrested.
I don't know if he did it.
He was the guy that I was friends with.
His name was Richie.
I was friends with him before he went to jail.
And then I was...
Kind of friends with him when he got out of jail before I realized that he was very dangerous now.
He was a completely different person.
So he went away to jail.
He was a little older than me.
I was 18, so he was probably 20 or 21. And he went to jail on some kind of gun charge or drug charge.
So he comes out of jail a few years later, and he's an animal.
I mean, an animal.
He's way bigger.
He's put on like 30 pounds of muscle.
And he's seen way too much.
He was telling me stories about fights that he used to get in the jail.
Beat some guy half to death with a broom handle.
And that you're fighting for your life in there.
It's like every day you're fighting for it.
And he knew how to fight.
He was, you know, I trained with him.
That's where I knew him.
I knew him from Taekwondo.
And he was just telling me about fights.
He was getting in jail.
He's like, you have to fight.
There's nothing you can do.
It's constant.
You're constantly on edge.
And I'm like, fuck, man.
And so I'd known this guy before jail.
Then I'd known him after jail.
And he was just way more dangerous after jail.
He was doing a lot of coke.
He would train, and when you would train with him, it was a fight.
I mean, it was a fight.
You were fighting for your life.
I broke his whole face once.
I hit him with a wheel kick in the head because we were fighting, man.
I mean, we were fighting.
And there was no one there, by the way.
It was my gym, so it was just me and him, like, literally fighting.
He would just attack you.
Like, it wasn't like a technical sparring thing.
And back then, I felt like I was a pussy if I didn't spar with anybody who wanted to spar.
Like, you want to spar?
Okay, let's spar.
So you sparred with everybody.
And some people you sparred with.
Some people you were like, let's just...
Not hurt each other.
And then other people, you knew you were fighting.
bert kreischer
Jesus.
joe rogan
Guys get knocked out all the time.
I saw dozens of guys get knocked out in the gym.
All the time.
I did a lot of it.
It was scary.
It was scary.
You would be super nervous before class.
You'd be super nervous.
bert kreischer
And you're doing class every day.
That's happening every day?
joe rogan
All the time.
bert kreischer
I have anxiety getting on planes.
joe rogan
You're sparring three or four days a week.
Yeah, you're sparring three or four days a week.
If you're smart, you have to stay sharp.
bert kreischer
So you broke this guy's face?
joe rogan
Broke his face, and he wanted to keep training.
He was still coming after me.
I was like, dude, you've got to look in the mirror.
Look in the mirror.
And his whole face shifted.
I hit him with a wheel kick in the cheek.
He went out, his eyes rolled back in his head, he collapses down to his butt.
And then he tried to get back up slowly.
He gets back up.
And he's like, I'm good, I'm good, I'm good.
And then like 30 seconds later, he wants to keep sparring.
And I'm like, you gotta stop.
But he was just a monster.
Like a savage.
Like a savage person.
He was a kid when I knew him.
Like a normal kid.
Like, what's up, Richie?
And then three or four years later, whatever it was when he got out, he was a monster.
bert kreischer
Was there any hint of the old Richie where you could go, hey man, what's going on?
joe rogan
No.
bert kreischer
He was just gone.
joe rogan
No, he was gone.
I didn't know the old Richie that well.
Now, I'm thinking timeline.
So, this was pre-me doing stand-up.
So, I probably met him first when I was like 16. And then I met him again when I was 21. It was somewhere around that.
20, 21. Because that's when I stopped fighting.
And it was like right around the same time where I knew Richie when I stopped fighting.
So, he got arrested.
There was a guy who was murdered, and they broke every bone in his body with a hammer, and they kept injecting him with cocaine to keep him alive.
Yeah.
bert kreischer
Holy fuck.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
They identified the body.
I forget how they identified the body, but I'm pretty sure they chopped his hands and his head off.
And they found this guy, and he got arrested for that.
And he got away.
He got off.
I don't think they charged him.
I don't think he actually did it, but he definitely knew people who did it.
He was involved with the same kind of people.
And this was like one of the guys that I worked out with.
But he wasn't the hitman.
The hitman was way more stoic.
bert kreischer
Really?
Older?
joe rogan
Yeah, he was older.
He was in his 30s.
And the hitman was...
bert kreischer
Would he come in with hitman problems?
Like, alright, say I'm in a restaurant.
joe rogan
He asked me once how I would kill a guy.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
He said, "If you're gonna hit a guy and you're gonna kill him, where would you hit him?"
I said, "Probably the neck."
And he said, "Yeah, I think so."
And that was the conversation.
That was the end of the conversation.
I don't even know why I picked the neck because the neck actually could take a pretty good beating.
Necks are pretty tough.
bert kreischer
Not mine.
joe rogan
Your head is way weaker than your neck.
This is really weak.
Like this little spot right here, your temple.
This little tiny thin little layer of bone there that protects your brain.
It's not big at all.
bert kreischer
When was the last time you got punched?
joe rogan
Oh, it's been a long time.
I haven't sparred at all since, like, 2007 or 8. Like, sparring?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Kickboxing sparring?
Yeah.
It's too...
Even little sparring wears on you.
You carry that for your whole life.
Just thuds.
Little thuds.
Even ones that aren't that hard.
Just a jab.
Just a thud.
You carry those.
Like, those are real.
That's brain damage.
Those little times they get dinged in the gym.
That's real.
That's brain damage.
That's brain damage.
And like I told you, when I was a kid, we did a lot of brain damage.
bert kreischer
Sparring was horrible.
I've had, I think, eight concussions, and I'm just a kid.
I didn't even spar.
I'm just talking basketball camp one time, football.
I play in football for the Hurt Bird shit.
I got knocked unconscious.
I've probably had eight concussions, I'm guessing.
You know?
joe rogan
I've had a lot.
My last one was just a couple years ago.
Skiing.
Last time skiing.
bert kreischer
I just talked to you the other day when you were skiing, and I thought you didn't ski because of your knees.
joe rogan
Well, my knee did get...
I did fracture one of the bones in the top of my tibia.
Now, which one's the...
Yeah, tibia and then the fibula is the little one, right?
bert kreischer
Fibula is in the shin, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, I cracked the tibia, which that healed.
But the real problem was the head.
My head, I fell on my head.
My skis went up in the air and I hit the ground head first.
Yeah.
bert kreischer
Helmet?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
But it was a bang.
Like I got rocked and I was like, oh shit.
Like that was a big one.
And then the rest of the day I was like dizzy.
My balance was all bad.
It was not good.
It was not good.
And then I was like, I'm done with this skiing thing.
Because I was always worried about my knees.
Because I still love doing martial arts, and if I'm not doing it, I don't feel good.
I like to hit the back.
I like to have my joints work perfectly.
I like to have my skills still there.
I like to do it.
It's fun to do.
So anything that takes that away from me, like skiing just for a thrill, like wee!
bert kreischer
Oh, and once you get hurt, once you break, we did a concrete sled competition in Calgary or in Edmonton.
joe rogan
Concrete sled?
bert kreischer
Concrete sled.
It's an engineering team, and they have to figure out a way to build a concrete sled that makes it down a mountain with all the team members on it and stops within the right area.
And dude, people get fucked up.
I mean, fucked up.
joe rogan
A concrete sled must be so heavy.
bert kreischer
You can find a picture of it.
Type in University of Edmonton, concrete sled.
I think that's what it's called.
And right before...
joe rogan
This is why people keep themselves occupied when they're so fucking bored because it's 38 degrees below zero outside.
unidentified
Yeah.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
And dude, that's the coldest I've ever been.
My fingers.
See those concrete sleds?
There's one where the guys get fucked up so bad.
joe rogan
I don't want to see it.
It's so stupid.
bert kreischer
But the guy, the team that went right before me, they flipped.
Flipped, ragdolled, yard sailed everywhere.
joe rogan
If these people tried bow hunting, they would quit this.
They'd quit all this.
They wouldn't be doing any of this.
This is ridiculous.
You could fucking die.
bert kreischer
Oh, a guy before me broke his femur.
unidentified
Ow!
bert kreischer
And I remember the kid, little stoner with the walkie that tells us, all right, you guys are next.
He goes, what's that?
Broken femur.
And he looks at me and goes, broken femur's a game changer.
And I was like, I gotta go next.
Like, what the fuck?
Like, that was terrifying.
But yeah, I think about that sometimes.
Just having my elbow surgery, I gained so much weight from just having one arm.
Because I couldn't do it.
I couldn't get on the treadmill.
I couldn't do anything.
Then I go, any injury is like, I don't want any injury.
joe rogan
Yeah, and injuries are not good.
And this is coming from a person who's had a bunch of surgeries.
I've had three knee surgeries, had my nose operated on.
Oh, let me tell you my game changer.
Mouth tape.
bert kreischer
You were talking about this?
joe rogan
Game changer.
Game changer.
I know people say this, and I know it's like one of those fucking fitness influencer things where people are selling something.
I got no skin in the game, okay?
I'm not selling nothing.
I don't have anything for sale.
I use a company called Hostage Tape.
I'm sure there's other ones that are great, but Hostage Tape makes me laugh.
It's you take this tape and you put it over your mouth when you sleep now I have sleep apnea so I wear a mouthpiece and my mouthpiece has a tongue depressor so the mouthpiece is fitted to my lower my lower jaw and the tongue depressor keeps my tongue from falling back on my throat so I don't Block my airway because I have a big tongue.
And I have a fat neck.
So it's like the air hole, it gets clogged up by the tongue.
So the tongue depressor works and then I put the tape over my mouth so I'm not using my mouth at all.
Thank God I got my nose fixed in like 15 years ago or something like that.
Best decision I ever made in my life.
Best decision I've ever made.
One of the best.
bert kreischer
Is that the one where you had to like pull shit out of your nose?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I was on the road with Tommy and I would show him the boogers and he would like almost vomit because the boogers were insane.
So once you get your nose operated on, like I had probably...
12 nose breaks, maybe more, by the time I got my nose operated on.
unidentified
Holy shit.
joe rogan
So the inside of it was all calcified.
Like all the inside, just like cauliflower ear, that was the inside of my nose.
Like it was all just clogged.
I spoke like my nose was stuffed.
This was how my voice was.
bert kreischer
Wait, hold on.
Is this...
I listened to a version of your voice when you were younger, and it sounds totally different.
joe rogan
It's also getting older, your voice definitely deeper.
So that's me.
bert kreischer
Wait, that's you?
joe rogan
Yeah, when I got the nose plugs.
So that's after the operation.
bert kreischer
Oh my god, look how big your nose is.
joe rogan
Well, it's all swollen right there.
Anyway, so...
If you have a deviated septum, I can't recommend it enough.
It's such a huge thing to do.
It opens up your nose and you get like 10% more cardio.
My jujitsu changed totally.
Like, my gas in jujitsu was way better.
I was like, this is crazy.
Why didn't I do this a long time ago?
bert kreischer
From breathing through your nose and not your mouth?
joe rogan
No, because you breathe through both.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
So you have more airs coming in.
bert kreischer
This is how you tell if you have a deviated septum.
Put a mirror underneath, or take your phone and do a video, and then breathe through your nose.
And if it closes, like, mine shuts.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bert kreischer
And they showed that to me.
joe rogan
Yeah, you have a deviated septum for sure.
bert kreischer
Dude, you know what happens to me when I sleep.
My fucking guzzle swells up.
joe rogan
Yeah, you were telling me.
bert kreischer
It's the fucking worst.
joe rogan
Yeah, we were trying to decide where the tonsils were, and you were explaining the tonsils were actually on the side, and your wife was calling it a guzzle.
bert kreischer
She's a redneck.
She goes, this guzzle got swallowed up.
joe rogan
That little thing, whatever the word is, the technical word.
bert kreischer
It's a uvula.
It's uvulitis.
joe rogan
So I put the mouthpiece in, and then I tape up my mouth.
bert kreischer
I get no uvulitis if I had mouth tape in.
joe rogan
Yeah, so this is the thing.
I don't snore at all anymore.
Zero snoring.
Like I'm silent when I sleep.
bert kreischer
No sleep mask?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
I don't have anything.
But I woke up the first day I did it and I was like, holy shit.
I feel so much better.
Like instantaneously noticed the difference.
Like I was like 30% more rested.
Something like that.
Just like a significant number where I could like feel it.
I was like, whoa.
And I've been doing it that way for like a week now.
bert kreischer
So if I put those nose strips on, because I can breathe through my nose.
joe rogan
You should get your nose operated on.
bert kreischer
No fucking way.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bert kreischer
Dude, I have a hernia.
I'm not going to get done.
joe rogan
You should get that done, too.
bert kreischer
No.
joe rogan
Yeah, you should.
bert kreischer
It's the worst.
joe rogan
Your guts are going to poke out of your stomach.
That's what it is.
bert kreischer
They already do, Joe.
joe rogan
That's gross.
No, I mean, your gut's guts, not fat.
bert kreischer
No, no, they do, Joe.
joe rogan
Do they poke out right now?
Ew, let me see.
bert kreischer
No.
joe rogan
Show me.
Can you make it poke out?
bert kreischer
No, but if I go like...
You can kind of see this.
joe rogan
Where's the hernia?
bert kreischer
It's like a fin.
Oh, it's bad.
If I do a sit-up, I'll show you for real, and you'll see it.
joe rogan
Okay.
I'm watching Bert do a sit-up, ladies and gentlemen.
Oh, that's scary, dude.
So that's a rip in the center of your stomach?
bert kreischer
I remember when it happened.
joe rogan
Oh, dude.
How long ago?
bert kreischer
Probably 12 years ago.
joe rogan
Oh, my God, man.
bert kreischer
I was doing a Tough Mudder.
Oh, God.
And I had to pull myself up one of those half pipes.
And so I ran and I grabbed it and I pulled and I pulled and I felt a tear.
And I was like, whoa.
And I was like, God, man, that fucking hurt.
What happened?
And I was like, I'm fine.
And then like two, I want to say like two weeks later, I'm laying in bed with my wife and I kind of lean up and I see it.
And I go, oh, fuck, what's this?
And then a bunch of dads get it.
Some dudes get it when they just gain a lot of weight.
That's another way to get it.
But I've never been that fat.
I think Tommy might have had one.
joe rogan
Eddie Bravo had two.
bert kreischer
He had one on both sides.
They say it's elective.
joe rogan
Oh, Eddie had to get it fixed.
bert kreischer
My problem is I'd get it fixed, but then I'm afraid of...
The aftermath of the surgery of 13 weeks of recovery of me not working out, I'm going to go fucking haywire.
joe rogan
You don't have to go haywire.
That's nonsense.
You should get it fixed.
You should get it fixed.
And get your nose fixed, too.
Just get it fixed.
Just bite the bullet.
Don't live with a compromised body.
They know how to fix those things.
You should get it fixed.
The nose thing's giant.
Breathe out of your nose, it'd change your fucking life.
I couldn't do yoga class.
The instructor, he would get mad at me.
He'd be like, you have to breathe out of your nose.
I'm like, I don't have a nose.
It doesn't work.
Like, it doesn't work.
My nose, I had, like, one quarter of one nostril.
That was the only thing that was open.
bert kreischer
Oh, for real?
joe rogan
Yeah, my right side was completely closed.
bert kreischer
So it wasn't just deviated, it was just...
joe rogan
Luke Rockhold, former UFC champion, had a post that he did about his nose recently, where they were, like, going through his nose with one of those cameras.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so you could see, like, what's in there.
It's the same thing.
His is completely clogged up.
Like, you hear Justin Gaethje talk?
His nose is totally clogged up.
Like, there's a lot of the—and Justin actually got his nose fixed, and then he fought Max Holloway, and I think that might have put it back again.
bert kreischer
Oh, my God.
How long—what's the nose surgery—what's the— I was doing jujitsu six weeks later.
Okay, you're Joe, and I'm Bert.
joe rogan
Yeah, but, I mean, six weeks later, I was fine.
I didn't take any pain pills.
No, I wasn't— I mean, I was fine to roll, but I was fine fine the next day.
Yeah, I had to have those stupid fucking things in my nose for a while.
I forget how long that lasted.
But then when they pulled those out, I was good to go.
But the doctor, I remember this, the doctor gave me two pain pill prescriptions.
He was insistent on giving me these pain pill prescriptions.
And I was like, okay.
I go, but it doesn't hurt now.
So is it going to hurt more later?
And he's like, it might.
I go, but it might not, right?
He goes, but you should have these.
Like, he wanted to write me these pain pill prescriptions.
I was like, this is kind of creeping me out, man.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because I had already known a bunch of people that had pill problems back then.
But it was just weird that he wanted to write me two of them.
And I told him, I go, listen, I just had knee surgery a couple months ago.
And I go, I didn't, it wasn't even a couple years ago, rather.
And I didn't take any pain medication.
I go, I don't like it.
I just did it.
I just had the surgery and then just dealt with the pain.
I'd rather deal with the pain than that feeling.
I don't like that feeling.
I got ACL surgery, like, way back in the day, and they gave me, like, Vicodins or one of those type of things.
Percocets or Vicodins, I forget what it was.
But I remember feeling so stupid, I was like, well, this is not for me.
Like, whatever this is, I'd rather be in pain than have my fucking brain just filled with, like, cotton.
It just felt like it was clogged up.
It wouldn't work right.
It was terrible.
bert kreischer
Tommy and I like that.
joe rogan
But my doctor, he just wanted me to take these pills.
bert kreischer
I think it's that...
You were talking to me about statins for a while, and you were saying that...
I don't know.
You were saying, or whatever I read, was that it...
These doctors are getting paid out to get people on statins.
The companies are saying, you know, get people on statins, we'll pay you out.
joe rogan
Doctors get a variety of rewards, I'm finding out.
They get a variety of rewards depending upon how many people in their practice get vaccinated.
And if they lose a certain percentage, if they have less than a certain percentage, then they don't get payouts.
There's some weird shit that's involved in medicine that's financial incentives that don't necessarily align up with, you know, your best health.
And I think that doctors profit off of providing people with pain pills, especially when you have a legitimate reason to want to take pain pills.
But I really don't think you should take them.
At least I don't take...
I just don't...
I think if you have something horrible wrong with you and you're in agony all day, I totally understand.
But for a regular thing, like, you hurt your back a little bit?
So now you're on OxyContin?
bert kreischer
That's what happened to me.
I got pretty much addicted to them.
So I fell off that waterfall.
joe rogan
They fucking get everybody, bro.
bert kreischer
Dude, they get you?
joe rogan
They get everybody.
bert kreischer
I can tell you the moment it happened was we had to go to dinner with my wife's friends and I didn't want to go and we weren't drinking.
And I remember thinking...
I wonder if I double up on my pain pills.
That'll get me through tonight.
And I did.
And man, it was an enjoyable fucking night.
And I smoked a little weed, and I was fucking perfect.
The next morning I woke up, and Leanne found out.
We were going camping that weekend.
And I reached over to get my pills, because the first thing I did in bed, grab a pill, pop a pill, lay there for a while.
Went over, my pills were gone, and Leanne was at the foot of the bed.
She goes, you're done, big boy.
And I was like, I go, hold on.
This is like negotiating, like junky negotiating.
I go, hold on, baby.
We're going camping.
We're going to be sleeping on the hard ground.
She goes, nope.
She goes, get as much weed as you want.
Drink as much as you want.
Get through the pain that way.
These things are fucking poison.
They're scary.
They're scary because you don't even realize what you look like to other people.
We went to Hawaii with a family one time, and we went to the luau.
I wasn't drinking in Hawaii that trip for whatever reason.
But I was bummed at the luau because I was like, everyone's getting these Mai Tais and I'm drinking water.
And I looked and this mom was clearly on Oxys.
And you watched her nod out at the table.
Man, when you see something like that and you're not drinking, you're like, thank God I'm not fucking drinking.
I remember watching her nod out and her whole family sees it.
And she's like...
joe rogan
What percentage of this country is hooked on oxys right now?
It's got to be like a scary percentage.
bert kreischer
I bet it.
What do you think is more, oxys or Xanax?
Xanax is like, Xanax is totally plausible.
Take a Xanax, you're going to be fine.
My cardiologist, Dr. Gadan, shout out to Dr. Gadan, he's a big fan of yours, but he told me, he said, I said something about Xanax, and he goes, hey man.
I'm your doctor.
Don't ever fucking take those things.
I was like, really?
He goes, this is the leading cause of dementia.
Do not take fucking Xanax.
joe rogan
Xanax is the leading cause of dementia?
bert kreischer
He was like, by the way, I apologize.
Doctor, can I give you a shout out?
And he's like, that's not my exact words, Bert.
God damn it.
joe rogan
Yeah, you might have fucked that up.
We might want to delete that.
bert kreischer
No, he said your brain, it turns your brain to mush.
joe rogan
Well, it's definitely not good for your brain.
It's one of the most dangerous drugs to get off.
bert kreischer
Oh, they won't admit you to rehab if you're on benzos.
unidentified
Right.
bert kreischer
Like, we took a friend to rehab one time, and one question they asked, have you taken a benzo in the last 24 hours?
And he was like, yeah.
And they're like, nope, can't take you.
They don't want to deal with it.
It is so dangerous to get off benzos.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's one of the—there's only a few things that people die if they get addicted to, and then you cut them off.
One of them is alcohol.
You know?
bert kreischer
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
bert kreischer
I think you have to drink like when you wake up.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
You have to be a complete drunk.
And somehow or another, your body shifts into surviving drinking alcohol all the time.
You're killing yourself for sure, but your body relies on it.
I forget what the mechanism is, but there's an actual mechanism.
There's some sort of a shift when your body's got so much alcohol.
And then when you get off alcohol entirely, you can die.
bert kreischer
Oh, you have a stroke?
joe rogan
I don't know what the cause of death is, but I know that benzos is another drug that does that.
When you get off of it, you can die.
Like it's one of those things.
If you just cold turkey benzos, if you're popping Xanax all day long and you're like, I'm done, like you can die.
bert kreischer
It's crazy how clean life is when you're not partying.
The sky looks different.
The trees look different.
joe rogan
Well, you have more energy.
bert kreischer
So much.
The gym is night and day different.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
bert kreischer
Like, I work out every day regardless.
Ran five miles today.
Drank last night on the plane.
Five miles today.
And now I feel clean.
But then I go, if I don't drink tonight, which I doubt I probably will.
I don't know what we're talking about.
Who are we lying to?
But the next day, I feel like a million bucks.
You get me in the gym, and I want to be on the treadmill.
And I'm excited for fucking those sissy squats you do.
I love those bitches.
I got the board.
joe rogan
Oh, yes.
Slant board squats.
bert kreischer
Slant board squats.
Get a 45 fucking weight in arms.
Do 15 of those bitches.
joe rogan
Those are great.
bert kreischer
And you feel it, and you're like, that last one.
You know what my favorite squat to do is?
What's the one where you lean back?
And you squat when you're tilted back.
joe rogan
Squat?
Lean back?
It's called bad form?
bert kreischer
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
joe rogan
It's called back injury waiting to happen?
Lean back and squat?
That sounds crazy.
bert kreischer
Like a landmine squat or something?
Where you have the pole, you have the...
joe rogan
Oh, okay, yeah, landmine.
bert kreischer
And you get deep into that bitch?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, those are great.
Those are great for, like, rotational force, too.
bert kreischer
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
Viking shit.
You know what I'm saying?
bert kreischer
I'm always impressed when a man can program his own workout.
Really?
Yeah, because I can't...
joe rogan
You don't do your own workouts?
bert kreischer
No, I have a guy program for me.
He comes to my house and trains me every day.
joe rogan
Really?
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
So you don't work out on your own at all?
bert kreischer
If I work out on my own, I run.
joe rogan
Okay, so you must like that, right?
Where you get alone time.
You must like that.
bert kreischer
I love getting on the treadmill by myself and just fucking going.
joe rogan
Yeah, alone time's big.
So that's what I like the most about working out by myself.
I can figure out what to do.
I know what to do.
So I just program my own shit.
bert kreischer
Yeah, I think that's impressive.
joe rogan
There's so much shit to do.
bert kreischer
The game changer for me in working out, and I think that...
I never understood...
Guys like Cam or David Goggins, and they push themselves so hard.
When we did that bench press competition, I realized most of the time when everyone works, the regular person works out, they just want to get through it and be done with it.
They're like, I know, I cheated a little bit, but fuck it, that was 12. But when you're training for something, and this must be like this with mixed martial artists and with all those motherfuckers, you're training your body for an actual event to protect yourself from other men.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bert kreischer
And when I had a goal in mind, I was like, oh, this is different.
I'm doing everything he's telling me to do, and I'm doing it the right way, and I'm doing it to failure, because if I know that if I do that, then when I get to the day where I do the bench, I can then complete the mission I'm set out to do.
joe rogan
Right.
bert kreischer
You've got a goal.
I think a more goal-oriented workout, if they said, dude, just so you know, a wolf's coming to your house in two weeks.
unidentified
Right.
bert kreischer
We need to work out and get ready for that wolf.
unidentified
Right.
bert kreischer
You'd work out.
So hard.
joe rogan
Right.
bert kreischer
For that fucking wolf.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'd be like, fuck.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dude.
I tell you about my friend in Colorado.
They let wolves loose near his land.
bert kreischer
No.
joe rogan
Yeah, they just let wolves loose in Colorado.
They let a bunch loose in one part of the state, and then they let a bunch more loose.
He said it was five.
I don't know if that's accurate, but that's what he was told.
bert kreischer
For what purpose?
joe rogan
They've decided to repopulate the state.
With wolves.
And they're getting wolves from, like, British Columbia.
unidentified
These big-ass fucking Canadian wolves.
joe rogan
They're coming in and fucking the elk up.
And this is outside of Aspen.
So these are like all these really wealthy people.
bert kreischer
Holy shit.
joe rogan
And they let wolves loose on their property.
And by the way, there's livestock there.
These people have cattle.
They have all sorts of...
So far, the wolves in his area haven't attacked cattle because there's an abundance of elk up there.
It's a very...
It's a big elk corridor where the elk migrate.
I took a picture and posted it up on Instagram of an elk leg that he found.
Just within two weeks of them being released, he had already started killing elk on his property.
So a wolf took out an elk and left the leg bone just laying in the snow.
bert kreischer
Wait, how many wolves did they let go?
joe rogan
Five, he thinks.
This is what he told me.
bert kreischer
Do they release them as a pack?
joe rogan
I don't know if they will pack up.
I don't know if they knew each other before.
I don't know what the fucking neighborhood- Did they grow up together?
Yeah.
So that's what we found.
bert kreischer
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
So that's an elk leg that's just been stripped down, the lower leg, no meat on it, just the hoof and some fur and shit.
It was laying in just a bunch of disturbed areas.
It was all fucked up.
You could tell some shit went down.
So we found that piece there.
They had dragged that from somewhere else.
But there was a carcass up there, too.
So they basically can kill...
They could probably kill one or two elk a day.
And they probably will do that now.
And so the elk population will...
Rapidly diminished.
The elk have no idea.
They've never evolved around wolves.
These elk are in, like, who knows how many generations with no wolves.
So the United States had wolves all throughout the West, and then they eradicated them because they fucking kill everything, because they kill livestock, they kill horses, they pack up, they get big, they get big packs, and then they devastate livestock, sheep herders, cattle.
So they all murdered all the wolves.
So now these people, these greenies, these little cutie pies, decided to bring back the most intelligent telepathic apex predator that operates in packs.
And he decided to let them loose near a ski town.
Like, congratulations.
bert kreischer
Why the fuck?
joe rogan
Because they're cute.
Because these are people that grew up in cities and they don't understand.
It's called ballot box biology.
It's a bunch of people who grew up in the city.
They don't know what the fuck they're doing.
And they don't know what a wolf really is.
They just think, wow, life's amazing.
And then so you've let loose apex predators in an area where nothing is prepared for them.
These animals don't know to look for wolves.
They've never experienced a wolf before.
They don't have a natural instinct to run away when they see the wolves.
They don't know what the fuck is going on.
bert kreischer
And then you've got cattle.
You can't tell wolves what to kill either.
joe rogan
Of course not.
Well, here's even better.
The first ones they got...
So they had a mandate to get these.
Colorado voted.
They voted it to release wolves.
And so the governor had to get it done within a certain period of time.
And so they got wolves from Oregon that had been killing cattle.
So these wolves, they captured them because they had been killing cattle.
And then they released them in Colorado where they...
Wait for it.
Started killing cows.
bert kreischer
Oh, shit!
joe rogan
Duh!
So, wolves are awesome, but they were making their way into Colorado by themselves.
They were already coming down from Wyoming.
There's wolves in Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, and they were making their way down naturally.
But these idiots decided to accelerate the process and introduce this completely new element.
Outside of a fucking ski town.
That's gonna kill people's dogs, for sure.
If they get to a healthy population, you're never gonna be able to let your dog go outside.
That's over.
Cats, dead.
Everybody dead.
bert kreischer
They're like ten times worse than coyotes.
You remember coyotes?
joe rogan
They're giant coyotes.
bert kreischer
You've seen coyotes jump fences?
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
bert kreischer
And you're like, there's no protecting my chickens from fucking coyotes.
joe rogan
I saw a coyote jump a fence with one of my chickens in its mouth.
Jumped a six foot high wrought iron fence like it was nothing.
Touched the top of the fence with its feet with a chicken in its mouth.
And right over the top.
I was like, whoa.
I was so delusional.
I thought like, oh, this fence is this big.
They can't get over that.
Dude, one jump.
One jump, feet to the top, other feet to the top, over the top with a chicken in his mouth.
bert kreischer
All my neighbors have red lights on their fences.
That's the only thing that stops coyotes, I say.
joe rogan
Oh, they won't jump over a red light?
bert kreischer
I have no fucking idea.
But they all have like, it looks like a red bicycle light on every panel of their fence.
joe rogan
They're little monsters.
They're wolves too, by the way.
bert kreischer
They are?
joe rogan
Coyotes are wolves.
Yeah, they're small wolves.
bert kreischer
I remember, you know, it's funny, the little things you remember.
I remember you talking about the coyotes honeydicking your dog one time.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
bert kreischer
I always think that's the funniest phrase, honeydicking.
joe rogan
Yeah, they try to honeydick your dog.
So what they do is they, one coyote, I've told this story before, but I'll say it quick.
I went to this pet store that I used to go to.
And one of the guys that worked in the pet store, he was a veterinarian.
And he brought in, someone had brought in this pit bull that was covered in...
Cuts.
Like, his whole body was like hundreds of stitches.
And he's like, what happened?
He was like, I don't know.
He got out.
And then, you know, when I came home, he was outside the fence, and this is what he looked like.
So this guy, they stitched the dog up, and then he follows a blood trail into the woods outside of his house where he finds nine dead coyotes.
bert kreischer
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
So they honey-dicked.
Oh.
You know, a giant Pitbull.
Like one of them super jacked, muscular Pitbulls with a fucking fire hydrant head.
bert kreischer
The kind that are on the front of rap albums.
joe rogan
Terrifying Pitbull.
And this Pitbull just killed everyone.
They fucked with the John Wick of Pitbulls.
And he just killed them all.
Killed all the coyotes.
He said it looked like Vietnam.
He said they were just torn apart.
Because once the dog killed them...
He's not going to stop.
He's going to start shaking them.
Especially a pit bull like that that's in a blood rage to just fight for its life.
He was probably so happy.
So happy to do this because pit bulls just want to fight all the time.
bert kreischer
I've been wanting to do this every fucking day I wake up.
joe rogan
He was so pumped.
It was the guy who has a jujitsu black belt and a drunk grab.
He was like, thank you.
Thank you.
I've been practicing for this my whole life.
But you imagine the scene.
Imagine a scene just dead coyotes just ripped apart, just throats torn open, guts hanging out, legs broken.
Because if a dog like that bites a coyote's leg, that leg's broken.
That's a shattered leg.
That leg doesn't work anymore.
bert kreischer
The poundage that pit bulls bite is fucking wild.
joe rogan
You know what a wolf is?
It's like five times stronger.
bert kreischer
Are you shitting me?
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's how crazy these retards are that let loose these apex, Telepathic super predators into a ski town.
We're filled with super rich people.
And the super rich people, right now, they're finding out about this.
They are freaking the fuck out.
bert kreischer
I bet they are.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
All my buddy who lives out there, all his neighbors, they're all trying to figure out what they can do.
They're all collared, too.
So there's an app.
And you can get on the app and find out where the monsters are.
bert kreischer
Yeah, you want to get scared?
I got to get that app.
How about you're walking?
joe rogan
How about you're walking?
And then you see the fucking app is showing you they're behind you.
All five of them behind you and you're with your family.
But maybe you voted on that because you think wolves are amazing.
That's Little Red Riding Hood, bro.
bert kreischer
You can track these wolves on an app.
joe rogan
You can track them on an app.
bert kreischer
That's kind of cool.
joe rogan
It's kind of cool to know where the monsters are.
bert kreischer
They do that with sharks.
Great white sharks.
joe rogan
But these people in the neighborhood are all tracking these wolves.
So they're all freaking out because these wolves are like circling their homes.
Circling their property.
Some of them have gone right through fields with cattle and not done anything about it.
They don't even understand why.
They haven't attacked any cattle yet.
But these are ones that are outside of Aspen.
The ones that they brought in from Oregon, that's not outside of Aspen.
That's a different spot.
Those are the ones that were depredation tags.
They were already killing wildlife, or they were already killing cattle.
bert kreischer
What state do you think has the most predators?
Like, Australia has the most predators in the world.
In our country, yeah.
joe rogan
I would say Alaska, for sure.
bert kreischer
Florida.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
That's a good call.
Florida's fucking crazy.
Florida, for sure.
Florida, now, because you brought in reptiles.
Yeah, 100%.
Florida has more pythons in the Everglades than all the rest of the world.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
Do you see those kids that dive in and grab them?
joe rogan
I had Python Cowboy on the show.
He brought me up.
Don't we have a python head laying right here somewhere?
Something?
bert kreischer
Oh, look at that.
Look at that.
Yeah.
Apex Predator, Florida is jacked.
No one even comes close to Florida.
joe rogan
No one's even close.
bert kreischer
Wait a minute.
joe rogan
What's Maine?
unidentified
Maine?
joe rogan
What is Maine?
What is it?
Vermont?
bert kreischer
This one, right?
Right.
joe rogan
Okay, so the one with the boot...
bert kreischer
This is not good, guys.
joe rogan
The boot is Massachusetts, right?
No, that's New York.
We're so stupid.
You know who could draw the whole map by hand?
Al Franken?
Vermont.
Okay, yeah, it's Massachusetts.
bert kreischer
What predators are in Vermont?
joe rogan
Okay, so Vermont predators.
Yeah, what predators are in Vermont?
That must be like wolverines and shit.
Oh, red and gray foxes.
Coyotes, black bears, fishers, bobcats, and red and gray foxes with wolves and lynx also present.
Although the later or rare latter.
bert kreischer
Good God.
joe rogan
Interesting.
bert kreischer
I remember, I said the other day on Instagram, I had my hose all wrapped up.
And I was like, I don't know if this is because I'm from Florida, but I never put my hand into a hose bucket without kicking it a couple times.
joe rogan
When you say I got my hose all wrapped up, I thought you had you ladies making money.
bert kreischer
My hose doesn't make any money.
joe rogan
My hose are wrapped up.
They're making that money.
I got my hose wrapped up.
bert kreischer
Have you ever had Rattlesnake on your property out here?
unidentified
Yes.
bert kreischer
You have?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Out here, we've had one.
One of my neighbors had a couple coral snakes in her garage.
Those are scary.
bert kreischer
Coral snakes are the ones that look like...
joe rogan
Red and black.
bert kreischer
They're beautiful.
Black and yellow, kill a fellow.
Red and...
joe rogan
What is that?
bert kreischer
Red, white, and blue.
America.
He's cool.
joe rogan
I don't know what the...
But my old house in California, there was a bunch of them.
bert kreischer
Your old house was in the wilderness.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was in a place where there was a lot of wildlife.
bert kreischer
Red touches yellow, kill a fellow.
Red touches black, venom, lack.
joe rogan
What does that mean?
bert kreischer
There's no venom.
joe rogan
Oh, to help identify venomous coral snakes.
Oh, I see.
So some coral snakes are not venomous?
bert kreischer
No, it's a...
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, that's what it looked like.
bert kreischer
No, it's a kingsnake.
A scarlet kingsnake is harmless.
Coral snakes are deadly.
joe rogan
Okay, so...
bert kreischer
And so we had both in Florida, I think.
So you never got near either of them.
joe rogan
But that...
Go back to that image, Jamie.
The one on the top.
Red touches yellow.
Kill a fellow.
That's it.
So that's the one that'll kill it.
Red touches black.
Scarlet Kingsnake, harmless.
Interesting.
bert kreischer
I'm not gonna roll the dice on that.
joe rogan
I would not remember this.
I would fuck that up.
bert kreischer
I'd be like, wait, black.
joe rogan
That thing looks like it will fucking for sure kill you.
bert kreischer
Red touches black, step back, what?
Yellow, yellow, black and yellow.
joe rogan
Red touches yellow, kill a fellow.
That's the one.
That's all you have to remember.
Red touches yellow, kill a fellow.
bert kreischer
Black and yellow, black and yellow.
joe rogan
That's red touches yellow.
Fuck that creature.
So my friend, she had two of them in her garage.
Yeah, not good.
bert kreischer
Not good.
joe rogan
But my old house...
Did you ever meet Frank?
You never met Frank.
I used to have this pit bull named Frank Sinatra.
bert kreischer
I only knew Johnny.
joe rogan
Frank killed everything.
Everything that got in that yard was dead.
bert kreischer
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, he was a psycho.
And he would kill rattlesnakes all the time.
So he'd get bit all the time.
bert kreischer
I'm like, wait, how did he not get bit?
joe rogan
He got bit every time.
So I'd have to keep bringing him to the fucking vet.
I brought him to the vet at least three times.
And one time I had to bring him twice because he'd been bit by rattlesnakes so many times that he had developed some sort of an immunity.
So I brought him the first time and we're all at the vet.
He was super f***ing.
He was the sweetest dog, loved everybody, but vicious with snakes and lizards.
Lizards are like his video game.
He would jump on the walls to try to get the lizards that were crawling on the walls.
He would fucking leap into the air to try to get these lizards.
So I brought him to the vet, and the vet's like, I don't see a puncture mark, and he's not swelling, so I wouldn't worry about it.
And I'm like, wow.
How the fuck did you kill that snake and not get bit?
And then I brought him back to the house.
His face immediately swole back up again.
So then I had to bring him back to the vet.
And the vet's like, he's been stung.
He's been bit so many times that he probably has some sort of immunity.
bert kreischer
Jesus.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
A coral snake, too, that doesn't go by the rhyme.
joe rogan
That is so beautiful.
unidentified
And that is one of the most venomous snakes in the world.
joe rogan
God, I would assume that would fuck you up.
unidentified
It kills king cobras, apparently.
joe rogan
It kills king cobras.
Look how beautiful it is.
It's a Malaysian blue coral.
Somewhere, there's some idiot in Florida in a death metal band that wants this.
And he's going to have it in his house until he can't feed it anymore.
He's like, little fella, gotta let you go.
And he's going to let it loose.
And it's going to go in the fucking Everglades.
And then you're going to have a half a million of them there.
bert kreischer
You know, Slash had poisonous snakes in his house.
joe rogan
Of course.
She did.
bert kreischer
Look at him.
And then there was an earthquake.
Oh, great.
I read that.
I think I read that in one of their books where I talked to Slash once about it.
joe rogan
They got out?
bert kreischer
And I think they got out and they had to send someone in the house to...
I can't remember exactly, but there was an earthquake and he had like a cobra.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
I don't understand.
I mean, I understand wanting to have a snake, but poisonous snakes, I can't wrap my head around.
joe rogan
No.
No.
bert kreischer
You can never touch it.
You can never play with it.
joe rogan
Fuck all snakes.
bert kreischer
How about that?
joe rogan
How about all that?
How about snakes are the reason why we wear clothes?
A snake tricked Eve into eating that fucking apple and now we're ruined.
Alright?
Now we have to have Jesus come save us.
bert kreischer
You definitely look like you would have gone through a lizard phase though.
joe rogan
No.
Listen.
I had one idea that was the dumbest idea.
unidentified
The snake guy.
joe rogan
What is going on?
He's got snakes?
unidentified
Oh, this is the wrong cop to pull a snake out with?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, you're right.
I'll stand right here.
Now, wait a minute.
You don't understand how many there are.
Dude.
You see all them snakes right there?
Yeah.
You see them snakes right there?
Yeah.
They're my babies.
I care more about them snakes than I do a human life.
Just like that, man.
Okay.
bert kreischer
Look, he's already out the door.
He's like, uh-huh, sure thing, buddy.
joe rogan
So I had this one idea once.
I had this house that had like a center courtyard and I was gonna seal off the center courtyard and get a crocodile monitor.
bert kreischer
Bad ass fucking monitor.
joe rogan
And feed it rabbits.
And have, like, a wild kingdom in the center of my house.
bert kreischer
I love it.
joe rogan
So I was going to set up trees, because it had, like, open air.
So I was like, I'm going to set up a canopy, trap it in there, like a greenhouse, make it nice and warm so it's an environment, put trees up everywhere, and then just let shit loose and watch.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
Then I was like, that's so fucked up.
And I started thinking, like, what's wrong with you?
It's like, if I started thinking about me...
I didn't like me.
Imagine taking one of your friends over your house and you have a murder sanctuary in the centerpiece of your home.
The atrium of your home is just like you watch animals just get slaughtered.
They have no chance of escape, unlike the wild.
In the wild, the rabbit can get away.
bert kreischer
In our fraternity, my buddy Mason had a big python.
And they'd buy rats and they'd put money on it and they'd put them in the corners and put the python in the center and they'd have the benches from our cafeteria lined up.
It'd be in a square.
And we'd bet on which one he'd eat first.
And it was crazy.
Rats would go right up to the snake's face and touch the snake's face.
Snake's face wouldn't even fucking touch it.
And then all of a sudden, you'd see them coil up.
joe rogan
Yeah, they just make their move.
bert kreischer
I had a savannah monitor.
I had a iguana.
A savannah monitor ate mice.
The iguana is just nothing.
joe rogan
Those rats that they fed that snake or those mice they fed that snake, those things are just bred in captivity.
They have no fear.
They don't know what's going to hurt them and what's not going to hurt them.
Nothing's ever hurt them.
Everything's just fed them.
And then all of a sudden, serpent.
bert kreischer
My dog caught a squirrel.
My dog, I have two bull mastiffs.
Mac, the big one.
I mean, he's wanted to catch a squirrel the same way I've wanted to have anal sex with my wife.
Like, he wants it every fucking day.
And then he caught a squirrel, and I think it would be the same as if I had anal sex with my wife.
It was way messier than he thought.
He thought it was going to be a fun game, and he broke it in half and was throwing it, and then it wasn't moving, and he'd move it, and I was like, oh, buddy, you should have never got what you wanted.
He was like, this isn't fun anymore.
I looked at him, he's just like, what the fuck?
I guess I'll eat grass now.
joe rogan
Yeah, clean his mouth out.
bert kreischer
Squirrel guts.
My two bull mastiffs caught the...
What's the...
A possum who was killing our chickens.
joe rogan
Possums killed chickens?
bert kreischer
Possum killed our chickens.
Three chickens.
I'm almost saying back to back to back.
joe rogan
Oh, of course they do.
They look like predators.
I mean, they have a predator mouth.
bert kreischer
And my two bull mastiffs caught a possum and they...
We tortured this thing.
I'm talking Al-Qaeda beheading video while we were out to dinner.
And we got home, and furniture was moved around, and this fucking possum was soaking wet.
I mean, they must have thrown this thing around the room, and it was just in the corner playing dead.
joe rogan
It was still alive?
bert kreischer
Yeah, and the dogs were just fucking ragdolling it.
joe rogan
How is it still alive?
bert kreischer
I don't know.
We had to catch it in a bucket.
joe rogan
Your mastiff is fucking huge.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
They were just toying with it, I think.
They were just fucking throwing them around.
They had them cornered in the back.
We had to get a bucket.
And you can't kill possums in the county of L.A. It's illegal to kill a possum.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
bert kreischer
I know.
joe rogan
That's so funny.
You know you can kill coyotes?
bert kreischer
No.
In L.A.?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
bert kreischer
Are you being serious?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bert kreischer
Because we have a den of coyotes that come back through our backyard at times.
joe rogan
Coyotes are like rats.
Dude, I have.
I don't think they're like rats.
Let me just be real clear.
I think they're cool.
But I wanted to kill one.
I wanted to kill them when they killed all my chickens.
bert kreischer
Dude, I have.
joe rogan
They killed all my fucking chickens.
bert kreischer
I have a Hoyt bow with a 69-pound tension that would light a fucking coyote.
I've been one to hunt something.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, don't shoot your neighbors, dude.
California laws allows for the killing of fur-bearing mammal that is injuring property at any time and in any manner.
Any manner.
However, animal cruelty laws prohibit maliciously and intentionally maiming, mutilating, torturing, wounding, or killing an animal.
bert kreischer
Wait a minute.
joe rogan
Prohibit intentionally killing an animal.
So how can you have a law that allows for killing...
A fur-bearing mammal that is injuring property at any time in any manner, but they also have a law that prohibits intentionally killing an animal.
It's got to be doing injuring property.
It says maliciously, so you'd be angry.
bert kreischer
Wait, hold on.
Am I saying the word possum wrong?
joe rogan
Opossums.
No, I say it.
Opossum, I think, is the right way to say it.
bert kreischer
It's like, did you know it's wheelbarrow?
joe rogan
It's not barrel?
bert kreischer
Uh-uh.
It's wheelbarrow.
joe rogan
Interesting.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Makes it illegal to intentionally and maliciously kill an animal.
But intentionally and maliciously are different things.
Like if you're killing an animal to protect your dog.
Oh, here it is.
The key difference lies in the intent and manner of killing.
Killing an opossum that is causing damage to property is one thing, but torturing or inflicting unnecessary suffering is a different manner.
Okay, that makes sense.
bert kreischer
I think my dogs broke the law.
joe rogan
Here is a guy who was convicted and sentenced for torturing an opossum to death, including beating, burning, and hanging it from a noose.
bert kreischer
Okay.
joe rogan
That's a lot.
Another case, father and son were arrested for allegedly killing an opossum, but the arrests were later deemed unlawful, and the city settled a lawsuit with the family for $400,000.
Okay. Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Consider contacting your professional pest control operator or wildlife removal service.
Yeah, I mean, I'm not too worried about possums.
bert kreischer
In our old house, we had rats.
joe rogan
Coyotes are to be worried about.
bert kreischer
I'd fucking light up a coyote.
joe rogan
They're to be worried about if you have a small dog.
bert kreischer
I need them to be exactly 25 yards away from me, though.
joe rogan
Yeah?
bert kreischer
Yeah, that's all I might.
I'm only scoped out from my porch to the fire pit.
joe rogan
Don't you have an adjustable sight?
bert kreischer
No, I have four sights.
I didn't really learn that much about bow hunting with Cam.
I just shot a couple times.
But I know that one sight is for that distance, one sight is for that distance, and I don't even need the second sight in my backyard.
My backyard's not that big.
joe rogan
Right, right.
You should go somewhere where you could practice.
bert kreischer
They have a good one.
They have a good one in, I think, in...
It's over in a park.
They have a whole archery range.
joe rogan
Oh, nice.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, you should go there.
bert kreischer
I get weird with that shit.
I have weird issues about joining or doing something new, like getting into a spin class and I've never met anyone.
I just kind of like doing it in my backyard.
joe rogan
Doing it in the backyard is fun, but just for your own ability to get better at it, you really should stretch out your distance.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because what happens is there's little tiny errors in your form that don't show up at 20 yards that'll show up at 60 yards.
And you've got to find out what those are.
I always shoot at 85 yards.
bert kreischer
You shoot at 85 yards?
joe rogan
85 yards.
bert kreischer
At your house?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, I said 85 yards is a distance I would never shoot an animal at.
And if I could be super accurate at 85 yards, when an animal's at 50 yards, it feels to me like a chip shot.
Like I can just nail it.
Because I'm always shooting long distances.
So at a long distance, any little deviation...
Like torque of your hand.
It can make a big difference in how the arrow goes off.
And at 70 yards, it might be four or five, six inches to the left, to the right, up, down.
It's spread out.
And you want to tighten it up like this.
You want to get that group like a softball.
That's what I want.
I want a softball at 85 yards.
That's when I know I can go hunting.
When I can get a softball at 85 yards, I'm dialed.
I'm dialed in.
bert kreischer
I've been shooting from a higher platform, too.
Is that bad?
joe rogan
That's very good.
That's very good.
Especially if you ever have to go hunting in a tree stand.
Tree stand hunting is very difficult.
So I've only done it once.
My good friend John Dudley took me to his farm in Iowa.
John actually taught me a lot about archery, too.
Most of what I know about form and technique I learned from John.
Anyway, John has this amazing setup in Iowa, and you go up in these tree stands, and you have to buckle yourself in with a safety wire or a safety rope, and you're sitting there all day.
You sit all day.
All day.
It's freezing.
It's November.
It's in Iowa.
It's fucking three degrees.
You're sitting there freezing your fucking dick off, and sometimes you have these...
Giant suits that you put over your whole body and zip up like you're a giant burrito of fur, almost like a sleeping bag.
bert kreischer
And you're sober and you're not doing anything but just waiting.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't be drunk.
bert kreischer
You can't be listening to like a podcast.
joe rogan
You really shouldn't.
You want to hear branches snapping.
You want to hear the little cracks, the little sounds, little...
That's what you're listening for.
Guys even wear these things called walker game ears.
And walker game ears, it's almost like a hearing aid.
And you put them in and you crank it up and you can hear things like way amplified.
Way amplified.
There's certain headphones that you wear if you go to a gun range.
Tune out any sound that's over a certain pitch, like a certain volume, but amplify other sounds.
So you can hear people talking from way away.
bert kreischer
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, way stronger ability to hear.
But then the gun, it cuts out the sound when it gets to a dangerous...
So every gun is like, but the sound of other people is still present.
So you can talk at a gun range.
You don't have to have like...
Full ear, like the foam one stuffed in there where you have to pull, like at Terran Tactical, they always use those.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
You have to pull them out to talk to people.
So these guys wear things like that so they can hear everything in the forest.
bert kreischer
Wow.
joe rogan
They can hear every little sound because when a deer's coming in, they come in slowly.
They're all wary and shit.
They're stepping on the grass.
They're moving around.
And you might just hear something, just a rustle.
And you're like, where's it?
And you see him, oh shit, there he is, there he is.
And then you've got to get your bow.
So you're waiting all day for one moment and you're shooting.
Yeah.
Because, like, the animals, like, they're down, like, below you.
Or, like, you're at a, like, sharp angle.
So you have to have, like, a range compensating, an angle compensating range fighter.
Because the shot might be 40 yards, but it actually might be 20 yards.
Because you're shooting straight down.
So you're shooting straight down.
The way your arrow is going to drop, it's not going to be as affected by gravity.
So, like, if you're shooting 40 yards on a flat plane, the arrow's going to arc and it's going to drop.
Over the course of the 40 yards, if your arrow's going 290 feet per second, which is a good speed, it's going to slowly drop until it gets to 40 yards.
So that's why your range, like you set up the pin, you move it to where the arrow's going to be when it finally gets there at 40 yards.
You'll know where the dip is.
bert kreischer
Can you move your own pin?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
bert kreischer
I need camera.
joe rogan
I have a wheel.
It's set up.
I have what's called a spot hog, a fast eddy, and it's got two pins on it.
One pin will be at 20 yards.
The other pin will be at 35 yards.
And then I move it down, and then the one pin is at 50 yards, and the other pin is at, like, 75 yards.
bert kreischer
Oh, that's not mine.
joe rogan
Or 65 yards.
bert kreischer
Mine's just got four different sights.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So mine is an adjustable one that's on a wheel, and that's what you need, because, like, say if a deer's coming in and you're in a tree stand, you look and you're like, that's pretty far away, but it's pretty far like this, straight down.
So pretty far straight down, your arrow's not going to drop as much as if you were shooting straight.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you're shooting straight, it's going to go...
So you have to have a range finder that figures that out for you.
And it says, even though that's 40 yards away, the angle compensation is actually 26 yards.
So you have to dial your shit to 26 yards and then you'll be perfect.
bert kreischer
Have you ever gone fishing with a bow?
joe rogan
No, I have not, but it looks amazing.
bert kreischer
It is so fucking difficult.
joe rogan
It looks fun, too, though.
bert kreischer
It's fun, but it's difficult because of the water reflection, you've got to shoot...
joe rogan
Six inches below it, right?
bert kreischer
Yeah.
Well, I don't know because I never got one.
So, yeah.
And I was a little drunk.
I was like, this will be easy.
joe rogan
I think you have to shoot six...
It's refraction, right?
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think you have to shoot below what you see.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a mindfuck.
bert kreischer
When we sat out there, it was salmon all over.
unidentified
Oh, really?
bert kreischer
You could see them.
Yeah, and I fucking must have taken a hundred shots.
joe rogan
Oh, man.
That must have been so fun.
bert kreischer
It was fun, but, you know.
joe rogan
Is that like a recurve bow, or is that a bow with a release?
Do you have a release?
bert kreischer
I don't remember.
I think it was a compound bow.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
bert kreischer
I think so.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's better.
With a compound bow, you can be more accurate.
So with a compound bow, I don't know how to aim with a recurve bow at all.
I've only shot one like three or four times ever.
I had a trip to Lanai with my family, and one of the things that they had was this little archery lesson.
You could take archery classes and shoot at little targets, and they had recurve bows.
I had never shot a bow without a sight before, so I was trying to line it up.
How do you know where the arrow's gonna go?
bert kreischer
That's the only bows I've ever shot.
joe rogan
It was like a recurve?
bert kreischer
Yeah, recurve.
I shot a recurve bow.
We did archery lessons in Italy.
And so we were at different, you know how like those hills are like almost like steps?
And so they'd have, but it was weird because the recurve bow was such that you had to hold it kind of like an angle.
joe rogan
At an angle, yeah.
bert kreischer
So that.
joe rogan
The arrow stays on the shelf.
bert kreischer
During the pandemic, I got the girls both recurve bows and we would shoot in the backyard all the time.
joe rogan
It's fun.
It's definitely fun, but it's kind of like throwing a rock.
Or, like, throwing a baseball.
Like, you've got to, like, have a feel for where that baseball's going to go at 30 yards, at 40 yards, at 50 yards.
You know?
Like, if you had to throw a baseball and hit a tree, you would know, okay, I've got to throw it a little harder.
You get a feel.
So that's different than regular archery.
Or, excuse me, compound archery.
Because compound archery...
You're basically relying on the sight and the technique.
You dial it in, you get that pin, it's at 42 yards, and then you're just going through your shot process.
You're just staying steady and making sure you go through your shot process perfect so that when the shot breaks, the arrow goes exactly where you want to.
But with a recurve, you have to practice all the time because you have to have that feel.
You have to have a feel and know where that arrow is going to go.
You're looking down the shaft of your arrow.
But your accuracy is greatly diminished compared to like a compound bow.
bert kreischer
I haven't shot my...
I only shoot my compound bow now.
But I haven't shot my recurve bow with the little wristlet thing Kim gave me.
I like to do that.
Because I use always just my fingers.
joe rogan
Well, that's an interesting thing.
So use a release on a recurve.
I'm sure people do that.
You'd have to put a D-loop on it though.
Or no, I guess not.
You could hold it from the top or the bottom.
That would be better.
Yeah, that would definitely be better.
So you definitely get a more consistent release.
But people want to be primitive.
You know, like the real psychos, what happens is guys, the highest level of bow hunting is guys go after like elk and deer with a recurve bow.
My friend Aaron Schneider did that for a couple years.
He only shot...
Because he's like a...
Elite hunter, like an elite bow hunter.
bert kreischer
But what's the ultimate poundage of a recurve bow?
What's the highest it can go?
joe rogan
You're not getting it nearly the amount of kinetic energy.
So the kinetic energy you'd get from a compound bow, like Aaron's a big guy.
He's pretty jacked.
And so like his bow is like an 82, 85 pound bow probably.
And he's a big guy, so he's probably got a 30 inch draw somewhere around that.
So he's getting...
Insane amounts of kinetic energy in these arrows.
Just blowing through everything.
bert kreischer
That's the craziest part of getting fitted for a bow.
Because I was always like, I was always coming here.
I was like, Joe, let me shoot your bow.
And you're like, it's not that easy.
Because it's set up for a person.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's set up for your wingspan.
You're taller than me.
Do you know where your draw length is?
bert kreischer
No.
Cam did all of it.
And I was just listening.
joe rogan
Your draw length is probably 29.5, maybe 30 inches.
Mine's 28. I used to have 28.5, and then I dropped down to 28, and I adjusted a few things, and I feel like the more tension at the end, like the further back you are, like I know guys who want extra energy, and so they're what's called overdrawn.
So they maybe should have a 27-inch draw, but they have a 29-inch draw, and they have their release way back here.
So they're shooting things totally different.
You would never tell anybody to do that, but some guys get really good doing that, and then they just stick with it.
It's all about repeatability, but Cam taught me.
Cam, his draw is a little bit smaller than mine.
His is 27, and he had a longer draw.
He started out with a longer draw as well, but then brought...
For him, the ultimate thing is accuracy.
And he's like, when you're...
Your bow is more tense, more taut, and there's more tension on it.
If it's a shorter draw length, you're more accurate.
You want to get it perfect.
You want exactly what your frame is.
And for me, it seems like 28 inches is the right number.
bert kreischer
I had one of my most manly moments of my entire life in that fucking bow store.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a very manly place.
bert kreischer
Dude, Cam's like, they had me set for like a 40-pound...
You know, Bo.
And I go, okay.
And he was like, I go, what do you guys shoot?
Like you and Rogan.
He was like 80 pounds, I think.
It was what he said.
90. Okay, so it's 90. So Cam goes, I go, is that one tough to pull back?
And he was like, yeah.
And I was like, can I try?
And he was like, okay.
So he pulls it.
And brings it over.
You know, all the bow guys are there.
And I pull it back.
And Kim goes, hold on, hold on.
Hang on.
Takes the bow off.
And he puts it and he measures it.
And he's like, there's no way he did that.
And he measured the test.
He goes, goddammit.
He goes, alright, let's move on to 69. You're a strong dude, man.
joe rogan
You were talking about how you bench press.
What are you bench pressing now?
315?
bert kreischer
325.
joe rogan
325 for how many?
bert kreischer
Just one.
joe rogan
That's impressive.
That's a lot of weight.
It's dangerous for your shoulders, though.
That's why I don't like it.
bert kreischer
It's not sustainable.
And there's no reason to do it, because as I did it, I gained weight.
Like, I gained weight.
I gained 10 pounds.
Yeah, like, this is going to sound so silly, and you know me so well that you're going to laugh when I say this, but, like, my jackets weren't fitting.
joe rogan
No, I'm sure.
bert kreischer
They got thick for a while.
My shoulders and my chest and my...
My biceps, my triceps, everything in his jacket just wouldn't fit.
joe rogan
A year ago when you were at the club, I was calling you Jack Burt.
Remember?
Because you went on stage.
I go, dude, you look different now.
It's not as funny when you take your shirt off because I'm like, he's fucking jacked.
You look like a football player.
You look like a big, like a Tank Abbott.
That's what you look like.
bert kreischer
Tank Abbott was a bad motherfucker.
joe rogan
He was a bad motherfucker.
bert kreischer
I was pretty skinny in the special.
Not skinny, but I was in good shape in the special.
Tanned, really tanned.
Special outfit.
joe rogan
Bro, Tank Abbott, he put UFC on the map.
bert kreischer
Dude, that early generation of guys were so charismatic.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
bert kreischer
I mean, when you look like Frank, what's his name?
joe rogan
Shamrock.
bert kreischer
Frank Shamrock.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
bert kreischer
Hoist Gracie.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
bert kreischer
Tank Abbott.
joe rogan
Ken Shamrock.
bert kreischer
Ken Shamrock.
Dude, that was like the who's.
joe rogan
Don Frye.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
bert kreischer
You know, where were we just at the other day?
I went to UFC with my wife.
And I was saying to her, she was like, so...
joe rogan
So that was her first one live.
bert kreischer
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Have you seen one?
You saw one live at the Apex.
bert kreischer
I saw one live at Madison Square Garden.
Oh, that's right.
joe rogan
That's right.
That was a good one, too.
bert kreischer
Yeah, but I bought the tickets, so we sat up in the nosebleeds.
joe rogan
That made me angry.
Don't ever buy tickets.
bert kreischer
I know, but I'm never going to ask you for something.
joe rogan
Let me know!
bert kreischer
I get angry when people ask you for shit, because you're so generous with everyone that I feel bad.
You called and you said, do you want tickets?
And I was like...
First of all, you're like, are you going to UFC?
And I was like, I'm not gonna say...
I don't want to sound like...
joe rogan
When you told me you were going to slap fight, I'm like, okay, you're here.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, I didn't know if you were set up yet.
bert kreischer
No.
And I wasn't gonna ask Dana for tickets.
joe rogan
Come on.
bert kreischer
And then you're like, oh, let me get you tickets.
And then you go, UFC's got better tickets.
Dude, that was a fucking fever dream that night.
It was fun.
Me and Theo.
I don't think I've laughed harder with an individual in my fucking life.
joe rogan
No, there's no one better than Theo for a hang, just talking shit, being silly.
bert kreischer
It was me, him, and my wife the whole time.
They were like, because we went to Slap Fight together, then we went to UFC together, sat next to Taylor, sat next to Max Crosby, sat next to Mel Gibson, Taylor Sheridan.
Look at that.
Mario Lopez.
joe rogan
What a fucking crew.
bert kreischer
The guys are like...
Like Max and Taylor LeJuan.
joe rogan
What a fucking crew.
bert kreischer
Taylor LeJuan's the one who did me the bench press bet with.
Him and bust him with the boys.
He was like, he saw me try to get 300.
He was like, you can't get 300.
joe rogan
Bro, we went gambling with him and Jamie and Shane and Dana White in Vegas.
And I watched him be down.
Dana was betting for him.
Dana was telling him what to bet.
And they have this system.
Okay, whatever.
He's up.
He's up like a considerable amount of money over the course of all the times they've been gambling.
But they gamble heavy.
bert kreischer
Very.
joe rogan
And Jamie and I were getting severe anxiety.
They were down $125,000 in the first five minutes.
Do you remember that?
How scary was that?
bert kreischer
I was like, let me jump in with you guys.
unidentified
He's like, don't, don't, don't.
bert kreischer
I was like, let me get a marker.
I'll hop out.
Now, I've never gotten a marker.
I got a marker one time with Tommy for- What do you have to do?
joe rogan
Do you have to give me your credit card?
bert kreischer
Oh, they've got to do a fucking bank transfer.
It takes a long time to get a marker.
joe rogan
A bank transfer?
bert kreischer
Unless you've done it before.
unidentified
In Vegas?
bert kreischer
Yeah.
Dude, it took me an hour and a half to get a fucking marker.
joe rogan
How do you get a bank transfer in the middle of the night?
You have to call your bank?
bert kreischer
I don't think you can get a marker unless you've already had that established earlier.
joe rogan
And you had established?
bert kreischer
No, I hadn't.
Me and Tommy were there, and Tommy's like, get a marker.
So I was like, okay.
So I asked for a marker, and it took forever.
They'd go through my financial guy, and then they came in.
joe rogan
Financial guys around in Vegas?
bert kreischer
They called him.
They called him.
joe rogan
At home?
bert kreischer
At work.
What time was it?
Tommy and I were doing it when we did the Super Bowl like two years ago.
joe rogan
Oh, so it was daytime.
bert kreischer
It was daytime.
joe rogan
Okay.
bert kreischer
And so Tommy had already gotten his marker, and it took me forever to get a marker.
I got a $50,000 marker, and dude, I got so nervous.
I bet $1,000 lost $300, and I was like, I'm done.
I'm such a pussy.
joe rogan
I just remember being poor too well.
bert kreischer
It's not...
Gambling's not fun unless it sparkles.
Unless there's like a...
unidentified
Terror.
bert kreischer
Unless there's terror.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bert kreischer
It's not fun when you're like, you know...
joe rogan
20 bucks, 50 bucks.
Exactly.
bert kreischer
I gotta bet 50,000, all of that money on something to feel it.
But I love the feeling, but the feeling's not worth it to lose the money.
The losing the money, holy shit.
joe rogan
Dana White, when we got there, what was he down?
$600,000?
Yeah, he was down $600,000.
And he stayed all night, and he was there until like 5 o 'clock in the morning, and he got it back and was up $600,000 when he left.
bert kreischer
He gambles.
unidentified
He goes.
bert kreischer
And he plays Baccarat.
joe rogan
Hard.
Blackjack.
bert kreischer
Baccarat, too.
That's his new game.
Tommy and I did a podcast with him.
I bet more.
What's that?
joe rogan
$500,000.
I don't even know what that is.
What is Baccarat?
I know the name.
bert kreischer
I think it's like a Chinese blackjack.
joe rogan
Oh.
If I had to, like, it was on a quiz show, and someone explained Baccarat, I'd be like, fuck!
I should fucking know that.
bert kreischer
Rikki-tikki-tabi?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
I know what craps is.
I know how that works.
I don't know how it works.
No, I do not know, like, the rules, like, what is the cum line and all that shit.
bert kreischer
You know craps.
joe rogan
I know what it is.
bert kreischer
Craps is just a simple game.
joe rogan
They throw the dice, but all the different, the cum and the fucking lines.
I don't know what's going on.
bert kreischer
Craps is simple.
Really, honestly.
Craps is a very...
joe rogan
It's not simple.
bert kreischer
Yeah, but it's basically roll the dice.
Whatever that number is, you just gotta roll it again.
And then everyone gets a bet.
On whether you're not going to roll it, whether you are going to roll it, and then they can bet on the other numbers that you might roll before you roll your second number.
And then there's two rolls that get you out, and then if you roll those at the beginning, you get money.
It's a simple game, technically.
Not as simple as Blackjack, but Baccarat.
joe rogan
That's one that you get your wife to kiss the dice.
Then you throw it.
bert kreischer
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
You get her to throw it for you, and she gets on a hot streak.
bert kreischer
Dude, we got on a hot streak on a boat one time.
Me and my buddy Cowhead and our buddy Pete, and we were fucking, we were rolling hot, and fucking people are making a lot of money.
And we're talking, I'm on my 20th roll, and I'm hitting them and hitting them and hitting them, and I grab them one time, and I go to roll, and the dealer guy hits my hands with the fucking stick.
And I go, what?
And he goes, miss roll.
And I go, what?
And then I rolled a crapped out of seven.
And I was like, fuck that.
I go, fuck that.
And then the guy goes, alright, I'm out.
And he just clocked out and walked away.
And me and my buddy Pete made him apologize to us.
joe rogan
Why did he say it was a bad role?
bert kreischer
They try to fuck up your flow.
They don't want your flow to fucking...
joe rogan
Oh, they don't want you to stay hot.
bert kreischer
Yeah, you're hot.
Let's fuck it up.
joe rogan
What is this?
jamie vernon
This is a road record shit for four and a half hours straight.
joe rogan
What?
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, the amount of money and the energy at that table.
joe rogan
Would have been...
bert kreischer
Insane.
unidentified
It would have been bonkers.
bert kreischer
The fun is the shit you say as you roll the dice.
joe rogan
Four hours and 18 minutes later, DeMauro had rolled a world record for craps rolls.
She rolled 154 times.
The odds of accomplishing this are 1 in 1.56 trillion.
bert kreischer
Do you know how much money she made the people at that table?
joe rogan
What does that mean?
So she rolled the same number every time?
bert kreischer
No, it means that she didn't roll a 7 after her come-out roll.
For that many rolls.
She may have rolled a 7, but if you roll a 7 on your come-out roll, then you get paid.
joe rogan
See, this is why it's confusing.
They try to pretend it's not confusing.
bert kreischer
It's not confusing.
unidentified
You have to do it once or twice.
You have to lose a little bit of money.
joe rogan
I'm not fucking interested.
bert kreischer
Baccarat's the rough one.
Dana said he goes...
Take out, I think he said $275,000 marker to me and Tommy.
He's like, I was going to be in Vegas.
I go, he goes, Bert, take out a $275,000 marker.
Come play back around with me.
I'll double your money.
And I was like, I was like, if you just...
joe rogan
Nay.
Nay sir.
bert kreischer
Tom's like do it and Leanne wouldn't let me do it.
She's like no fucking way.
She's gonna you're gonna lose it and he's gonna be like ah I didn't see that coming.
joe rogan
Or you're gonna like get addicted to doing that and you're gonna want to do it all the time.
That's what she sees coming.
She sees it coming like she sees everything else.
She's like no big guy give me those pills.
bert kreischer
I got the ick on all of it.
joe rogan
Yeah, she's right.
He's right.
I mean, look, Danny's got a lot of money.
He makes a lot of money.
He can do that.
He likes doing that.
It works somehow or another.
It wouldn't work for me.
bert kreischer
No.
joe rogan
It's not my thing.
bert kreischer
It's not my thing.
joe rogan
But for some people, he loves living in Vegas.
He loves playing.
bert kreischer
He loves Vegas.
joe rogan
Loves it.
unidentified
Loves it.
joe rogan
He's got the town wired.
Why wouldn't he love it?
The sport's there all the time.
We've got the UFC PI there, so there's fights there almost every month.
There's a fight at the Apex, at least.
bert kreischer
Can I tell you the craziest experience of that whole thing?
Other than meeting Mel Gibson, which was a dream.
He was the sweetest guy.
joe rogan
He's a nice guy.
bert kreischer
He was the nice guy.
I told you I met him on the plane and flying here.
And then he walked by me.
Like when he left the plane, he's like, maybe I'll see you this weekend.
I was like, hopefully.
And then when he walked into UFC, he came over, grabbed my leg.
He's like, what's up, big guy?
And I was like, ah!
And the guys next to me are like, you know Mel Gibson?
And I was like, yeah.
But the coolest part...
Was the fucking guy, Ari Emanuel.
Watching the character from Entourage be himself, because I sat right behind him, and he was just, he's the guy.
joe rogan
He's much more reasonable than the character.
bert kreischer
But he's still a character.
joe rogan
Oh, he's definitely a character, yeah.
Nice guy.
bert kreischer
He's a nice guy.
Him and Peter Berg were right in front of me and Leanne.
joe rogan
I love that dude.
bert kreischer
Peter Berg's great.
joe rogan
Have you been watching American Primeval?
bert kreischer
Of course.
unidentified
Fuck.
bert kreischer
Fuck me.
joe rogan
Fuck.
God!
bert kreischer
Peter Berg's a great...
Dude, and he was a great actor.
Do you remember Aspen Extreme?
joe rogan
Yeah.
He was great in the show, too.
He was great in American Primeval.
He's great.
He's been in a bunch of movies, but I think he really shines as a filmmaker.
bert kreischer
Wait, what's the movie...
What's the TV show Gary Oldman's in right now?
Not Black Doves.
unidentified
I don't know.
bert kreischer
It's an Apple.
Joe, this is the best damn show out there.
joe rogan
Apple's making some banging shows, man.
bert kreischer
Slow Horses.
Have you seen it?
unidentified
No.
bert kreischer
Joe, Slow Horses is Gary Oldman's best work yet, in my opinion.
unidentified
Really?
bert kreischer
He is so fucking good, and it is such a great show.
joe rogan
Damn, Slow Horses on Netflix.
bert kreischer
What's great about these shows, like The English or Slow Horses or Black Doves, is there's six episodes, but it's a six-episode arc.
So it's not just like episodic, like we remember like old dramas being where the whole thing happened in the hour and then you never have to watch it.
Second, brand new one.
The whole thing happens in an hour.
There are these episode arcs where it starts off telling a story and you
pay out by the last episode, much like Peaky Blinders.
Peaky Blinders, they were great standalone episodes, but that episode, it was so addictive.
That's what, the streamers have changed the way we're taking in content, because you start
If you start Slow Horses tonight, you'll watch all six, and then you'll be like, honey, we're watching all of these tomorrow.
unidentified
Really?
bert kreischer
It's so fucking good.
unidentified
Ooh.
joe rogan
Gary Oldman's awesome.
bert kreischer
Gary Oldman.
joe rogan
He's the third best vampire movie.
His Dracula.
bert kreischer
Oh, his Dracula?
joe rogan
His Dracula was very good.
It was very good.
bert kreischer
Wait, are you a Dracula guy?
joe rogan
Love Dracula.
bert kreischer
Who do you like more, Dracula or the werewolf?
unidentified
Werewolves.
bert kreischer
Werewolves?
unidentified
They're the most fun.
joe rogan
It's the most fun.
Some poor dude.
He's like, the moon changes.
He's like, fuck!
And just waking up covered in blood.
Like, what happened?
The idea of it is just so crazy.
I just always loved werewolf movies.
bert kreischer
What happened to Benicio Del Toro's werewolf movie?
joe rogan
That was a good one.
bert kreischer
It was good.
joe rogan
It just petered out.
There was some real great moments in it.
We played it a bunch of times, but the one when they're in the theater, the medical theater, and he's trying to convince this guy that the guy's insane.
He's like, I'm here to show you that he will not turn into a wolf.
He thinks he will.
And so they have him strapped up.
It's like, I'm going to kill you all!
It's an amazing transformation scene.
But Rick Baker did that film, the same guy that did American Werewolf in London.
Yeah, it's the werewolf that we have in the lobby.
That's the greatest werewolf movie of all time.
No question.
Because it's John Landis.
It's actually funny.
There's funny moments in it.
It's really fucking good.
It's a good movie.
They did a great job of only showing the wolf a little bit.
So you're really scared when you actually see it.
They don't get you numb to the thing being there.
So this is the theater scene.
He starts changing.
So this is like they did a combination of CGI and makeup.
So the thing about CGI is, like right there, that's CGI.
CGI, you kind of know it's CGI.
There's the uncanny valley effect, right?
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so when he fully transforms in the scenes where he's attacking people, he's an actor.
He's Benicio Del Toro, but with all these prosthetics on.
And it looks much more realistic, like the way it moves.
The way it behaves.
Like when he goes after these people, it seems...
Well, go back up so you can see it rip the guy's heart out.
unidentified
Oh, he threw the dude through the window.
joe rogan
His back up a little bit before that is when he tears the guy apart.
unidentified
Look at this.
Oh my god.
joe rogan
See, so when it's a dude in a costume with all the fur on it, the way it moves is just, they can't quite fix that.
bert kreischer
In CGI?
joe rogan
It's not quite there.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
It still gives you that thing where there's a suspension of disbelief.
But when they use makeup, like they did in American Werewolf in London, and the transformation scene in American Werewolf in London, do you remember that one?
bert kreischer
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
The guy's in the bedroom, or in the living room, and he just starts fucking, and his back pops up, and he stretches out, and starts getting covered in hair.
bert kreischer
Aren't they playing CCR in that?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think it's Bad Moon.
bert kreischer
Werewolf in London.
joe rogan
No, I think it's Bad Moon on the Rise.
unidentified
There's a bad moon on the rise.
bert kreischer
God damn.
I could use a new werewolf.
You know what they were doing?
joe rogan
The guy who did Nosferatu is going to do a werewolf movie now.
bert kreischer
No shit.
They were going to do a series of all the horror movies and it started with The Mummy with Tom Cruise.
They had one set up for Johnny Depp.
joe rogan
But The Mummy with Tom Cruise is not the mummy, the scary mummy from when we were kids.
bert kreischer
Yeah, but they were all reimagined.
I took a meeting with whatever that studio was and they always wanted a comedic.
For the one that, in The Mummy, it was Jake.
Jake.
God, he's such a great actor, and I'm fucking flaking on his name.
He was in New Girl.
Jake.
Jake Johnson.
Jake Johnson's funny as shit.
He is a great actor, and he was the comedic relief in The Mummy.
And they were going to do that with each of them.
So they had one set up for Johnny Depp.
They had them set up for big stars.
Everyone was getting their own...
joe rogan
Wasn't it Brandon Frazier originally?
bert kreischer
He was in the original Mummy.
joe rogan
Original, original.
bert kreischer
Yeah, and then it was The Rock.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right, that's right.
bert kreischer
And then it was Tom Cruise.
joe rogan
I love Brandon Frazier's revival.
Isn't it amazing?
bert kreischer
Dude.
joe rogan
Isn't it great when a guy comes back, and not just comes back, but comes back and kills it in a movie, and then has this heartfelt speech where he's tearing up and crying.
Like, everybody loves him again.
That must have felt awful for that guy.
He was this giant movie star.
He was in all these giant films, and then for whatever reason, he just kind of like faded away.
bert kreischer
He got Me Too'd.
joe rogan
Is that what happened?
bert kreischer
But by a dude.
The dude tried to fucking touch him, and he stood up to the guy and was like, hey man, you go fuck yourself.
The guy's like, I'll ruin your career.
Obviously, my memory is whatever the fuck it is.
But he came out, and he said, you know, I was...
unidentified
Blackballed.
bert kreischer
Because I fucking called a dude out.
joe rogan
Let's find out if that's true.
bert kreischer
Yeah, find out if that's true.
joe rogan
We might have to edit that out.
bert kreischer
Allegedly.
unidentified
Allegedly.
bert kreischer
Allegedly is a great word.
But it's crazy.
I saw something with Mickey Rourke.
unidentified
I mean, he said it.
joe rogan
That's what he said?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
bert kreischer
Mickey Rourke said he hadn't worked for 13 years.
And Mickey Rourke was the man.
Pope of Greenwich Village.
joe rogan
Oh, Angel Heart?
bert kreischer
Angel Heart?
Shut the fuck up.
unidentified
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
Mickey Rourke was a beast.
bert kreischer
Didn't he do the one with the ice cube on the stomach?
The blue dream or blue...
joe rogan
Right, with Kim Basinger.
bert kreischer
What was that?
And it was like, fuck the ultimate sex scene.
joe rogan
Super sex movie.
bert kreischer
What was it called?
unidentified
Wild Workin'.
joe rogan
Wild Orchid.
bert kreischer
Wild Orchid, I think.
joe rogan
Yeah, that would look crazy.
bert kreischer
But he said he, I saw an interview with him and he said he hadn't worked in 13 years.
He was down on his money.
joe rogan
Oh, I saw that.
bert kreischer
All he had was his motorcycles and his clothes.
He dressed himself up one night and took himself out for a bowl of spaghetti.
And it's all the money he had.
Fucking Sylvester Stallone walked by and he was like, hey man, where you been?
He's like, she's been out.
He was like, you want to work in a movie?
He was like...
Yeah.
And he goes, that one movie paid six months of my rent, and it was his comeback.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bert kreischer
Nicky Rourke's always been a badass.
joe rogan
He was awesome.
bert kreischer
I bought clothes because I saw what he was wearing on a Sunday.
He had on the coolest fucking outfit.
And it's so silly, but he had like Adidas track pants.
This had to be like 2001.
Adidas track pants with white Adidas shoes and a wife beater.
And he was putting cases of Heineken in the back of a Cadillac DTS.
And I was watching him from across the street.
And I was like, I'm getting those pants.
I'm getting those shoes.
Puma shoes, Adidas pants, and a fucking wife beater.
Dude, I'd dress like that hoping someone would be like, dude, that's a badass outfit.
No one ever said it to me.
joe rogan
You know what's a great...
I would have said it.
Thank you.
You know what's a great movie that people have slept on that forgot about with him?
Chinatown.
bert kreischer
Wait, is he in Chinatown?
joe rogan
No, what was it called?
It wasn't...
Chinatown was Jack Nicholson, but there was another...
There was a Chinatown...
God damn it.
Year of the Dragon.
Year of the Dragon.
bert kreischer
What's Year of the Dragon?
unidentified
That's what it was.
joe rogan
That's what it was.
bert kreischer
Which one's Year of the Dragon?
joe rogan
Year of the Dragon is, he's a cop.
He's like a dirty cop in this Chinese mob film.
It's really good, man.
It's really good.
What year is this?
85. 85. So I was in fucking high school, man.
Wow.
This is the year I graduated high school.
It's a good movie, though, man.
Real good movie.
It might not hold up.
Really hot Chinese lady falls in love with her.
Oh, baby.
bert kreischer
It's crazy when you see your heroes get older, you know?
Like Harrison Ford to see him now and be like...
joe rogan
He's great in that 1923 show, though.
Have you been watching that?
bert kreischer
Oh, is this Taylor's show?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bert kreischer
No, I haven't seen it.
unidentified
He's great.
bert kreischer
Oh, this is...
I just saw...
Yeah, we were talking about that at dinner.
joe rogan
I just watched episode four last night.
He's great in that.
bert kreischer
He's...
He's the man.
You know, they said the rumor is they were going to cast Tom Selleck as Han Solo.
Did you hear this?
joe rogan
Yeah, and he was a carpenter.
bert kreischer
And Mark Hamill told me this story.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bert kreischer
Did he really?
Yeah, yeah.
He said they were having Harrison read with everyone.
Because he was a great actor, but he was also a carpenter.
And they're like, you just read sides with people as they audition.
So he read with Kerry, he read with Mark, he read with everyone.
They were going to cast Tom Selleck.
And at the last minute, they said, you know, I don't know, man.
Something about Tom Selleck isn't dangerous.
There's something dangerous about Harrison Ford.
And there is.
joe rogan
He's really working.
Struggling.
unidentified
Yeah.
bert kreischer
And he's, I mean, I just watched all three Raiders of the Lost Ark the other night.
And he is fucking funny.
unidentified
He's great.
He's cool.
joe rogan
Do you know that scene where the guy pulls out the sword, starts swinging around, and he just shoots him?
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, he improvised that?
unidentified
Yeah.
bert kreischer
That's fucking amazing.
joe rogan
Amazing scene.
He improvised it.
bert kreischer
I remember watching it in the movie theater and going...
joe rogan
Yeah, it's perfect.
That's what you hope always happens.
Get the fuck out of here with that sword.
Boom!
bert kreischer
God.
And he was a hero with a tragic flaw, and that was snakes.
That was his weakness.
That was his Achilles heel.
joe rogan
Also, he was a professor that was, like, secretly dangerous.
Secretly out there doing real archaeology.
He had a whip.
Here it is.
There's a scene.
They were supposed to have this whole choreographed thing with the sword and the whip.
bert kreischer
How many franchises...
Is he the actor that's had the most franchises behind him?
joe rogan
No, it's got to be Tom Cruise, right?
bert kreischer
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Tom Cruise...
Well, he wasn't in the new TopCon, was he?
bert kreischer
Yeah, he was.
joe rogan
I didn't watch it.
bert kreischer
You didn't watch it?
joe rogan
Oh, I did watch a little of it.
bert kreischer
Oh, it's so good.
joe rogan
I turned it off after a while.
I cried at the end.
I turned it off after a while.
What's that?
unidentified
Sorry, I jumped the gun, but Harrison Ford is correct.
joe rogan
Oh, he is the most?
So he's got Star Wars.
bert kreischer
He's got Raiders of the Lost Ark.
joe rogan
Raiders of the Lost Ark.
bert kreischer
Jack Ryan.
unidentified
He's got 20 of them.
joe rogan
Oh, Jack Ryan.
bert kreischer
He's got 20 of them?
joe rogan
Wait.
jamie vernon
It says franchise roles, so I don't know if it's like, you know.
joe rogan
Oh, like a small role?
Oh, okay, well, starring in franchises, you get the two big ones.
Raiders of the Lost Ark, huge.
Star Wars, the hugest of all time.
bert kreischer
Can you imagine doing Star Wars and then doing Raiders of the Lost Ark?
And you'd be just being like, I guess I don't fuck up.
I guess I just hit dingers.
joe rogan
Well, I mean...
bert kreischer
Can you imagine?
joe rogan
He obviously was very fortunate to get cast in those, but also he killed it, right?
It's like...
bert kreischer
Apparently one of the coolest dudes to party with.
joe rogan
The scene with him and fucking the love tension between him and Carrie Fisher was amazing.
bert kreischer
Okay, can I ask you something?
I was a first grade Bert to a fourth grade Joe Rogan.
Did you know that Darth Vader was his dad in the first episode?
joe rogan
No.
bert kreischer
Okay, I didn't either.
unidentified
I was a little kid.
bert kreischer
My fucking cousins were like, how did you not know that?
joe rogan
Oh, your cousins are douchebags.
They didn't know either.
bert kreischer
God.
joe rogan
They're bullshitting.
They found out and they were like, how did you not know?
They were those guys.
You know, those guys who just read something and then barks it at you like, how the fuck do you not know this, man?
unidentified
You don't know the fucking Federal Reserve.
joe rogan
You don't know about the ice wall.
bert kreischer
I think they had a game show called You'd Be Shocked What Burt Doesn't Know.
People make a lot of money.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
bert kreischer
I don't know anything.
joe rogan
I know shit that doesn't help.
bert kreischer
You know the most interesting shit at a dinner party to talk about.
Like, I don't know any of that shit.
joe rogan
Well, I definitely can do that.
I can talk on the surface level about a lot of stuff.
bert kreischer
Do you like when a person like Taylor...
You were kind of between three conversations.
Because you were talking to your wife, you were talking to David.
But me and Leanne were dead set talking to Taylor.
And I love, I love when a dude holds court.
joe rogan
That was a great table of cool people.
bert kreischer
The way he sat, where he's like, let me tell you about.
unidentified
I remember Leanne was like, I had 400 head of cattle as a kid.
bert kreischer
And he goes, yeah, I got 14,000.
And I was like, Leanne, shut your mouth.
Let him talk.
He did fucking Yellowstone.
Let him talk.
Don't stop.
Don't interrupt him.
joe rogan
He's a storyteller.
He's a great storyteller.
And he's a guy, you know, there's a ranch that I hunt at in California, and he was a cowboy on that ranch at one point in time, an actual cowboy.
He actually worked and helped to fucking move cattle around.
bert kreischer
Oh, and you know me, like, you know, sometimes if you tell a story, I get to send him a story, I'll tell you my story after.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bert kreischer
Buddy.
joe rogan
There's none of those in that guy.
bert kreischer
You can't top any of his fucking stories.
joe rogan
But that's why his stories are so good.
It's like lived experience.
bert kreischer
Very lived experience.
joe rogan
A real understanding.
That's like his love for the cowboy culture is like completely legitimate.
bert kreischer
It's why Yellowstone is so good.
joe rogan
Yes.
You can fake it.
People have faked it before.
But when someone does it that really loves it, that's when it gets people excited and they move to Montana.
They decide, I want to live that life.
It's like Avatar Depression.
I want to be on Pandora.
You get sucked in by someone who's done an amazing job of telling a film or a story in a show, and that's what entertainment is really all about.
For me, I'm not looking for any fucking lessons about...
Equity and inclusion, diversity.
I already think that way.
I already think that all human beings are the same.
We're all just one thing, experiencing each other subjectively, as Bill Hicks said.
I believe that.
So I don't need that lesson.
That lesson just makes me feel like you're preaching to me, and that shit's annoying.
I don't like it.
I already know these things.
Stop!
We're doing it for other people.
It doesn't work.
It doesn't work.
It just makes people more self-righteous and they want to talk about it all the time.
bert kreischer
I have a weird question.
Do you think, because I feel like, because I'm on Instagram a lot, I might be switching to a flip-flown.
joe rogan
Right.
bert kreischer
But I'm not watching anything...
joe rogan
Right after you quit drinking, right?
bert kreischer
No, my wife already bought the flip phone.
She was like, dude, my daughters put parental controls on my Instagram.
Ah, it's hilarious.
Don't worry, I can get through them.
But would you think that, like, I notice it seems like a lot of people now are almost living for Instagram.
Like, hey, this is me and my three friends and we're sailing around the world.
And then, do you think people were doing that before Instagram?
joe rogan
No.
No, I think definitely people are doing things so that they can show that they're doing things, but if you're actually doing things, it's a balancing thing.
If you're experiencing more stuff because you're documenting it for your YouTube channel, you're still experiencing more stuff.
I mean, you're putting it all out there, but you're still experiencing more stuff.
That's probably net positive.
The problem is when you find yourself hanging out with your friends But all you're doing is staring at your phone, you know, and it's a real It's a real trap that we all get sucked into Especially if you got a good algorithm, you know, it's filled with stuff that pisses you off or freaks you out,
which is mine.
bert kreischer
Oh, I don't watch any.
My shit's all people doing epic shit.
Oh, that's good.
Yeah, like I followed these two dudes, Climb Everest.
I followed them on Instagram, Climb fucking Everest.
And I was like, I want to climb Mount Kilimanjaro.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
bert kreischer
Kilimanjaro's achievable.
But I go, I want to do epic shit.
Like, I got to a place when I started taking time off in July, and I was like, yo, I need...
I want a month.
I want to sail to Hawaii.
I want to see what it's like to be afraid, you know?
In the middle of the ocean.
joe rogan
Pull up how many people die in Mount Kilimanjaro.
bert kreischer
Oh, nobody.
Mount Kilimanjaro is easy.
It's a light lift.
It's a light lift.
joe rogan
People have died.
bert kreischer
Mount Kilimanjaro is easy.
joe rogan
I guarantee you.
bert kreischer
No, it's a long, hot hike.
joe rogan
I bet people have died.
bert kreischer
Okay, I bet it's under 10. How many?
unidentified
10 a year.
joe rogan
3 to 10 a year.
bert kreischer
Oh, yeah.
But watch how many people die.
Going to Everest.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's not good.
Well, if you play Russian Roulette with five bullets, you get shot more.
bert kreischer
I only play with one.
How?
Ask him.
No, hold on.
joe rogan
That's just a stupid fucking thing to say.
You know how many people definitely don't die on Mount Kilimanjaro that don't go to Mount Kilimanjaro?
100% of them.
bert kreischer
100% of all of them.
joe rogan
100% of the people that don't go up that fucking stupid mountain.
Just get a fucking Oculus and watch that shit.
Just watch it.
Watch it in your head.
You can get videos of it.
340 people have died attempting to reach or return.
What happened?
Oh, Mount Everest.
Since records began, many bodies remain.
Have you ever seen the bodies scattered, like the map of the bodies where they show where the known dead bodies on Mount Everest are?
It's terrifying.
bert kreischer
Do you want to know the craziest one?
joe rogan
Sure.
bert kreischer
So the first dude to ever attempt the summit, I think his name was Mallory, right?
Edmund Hillary is the one who got it.
unidentified
He's still there.
bert kreischer
So they said they found his body, you know.
Probably like five years after, ten years after.
And they said he had a broken leg, a fractured skull, and his pic.
And that's how they could figure out it was him because his initials were in his pic.
And they said he always carried a picture of his wife because he was going to put the picture of his wife on the top of Mount Everest, and it wasn't in his pocket.
So they're like, was he in fact the first person to get there?
joe rogan
Oh, probably.
bert kreischer
And then he left it there and then died coming down.
joe rogan
Probably.
bert kreischer
The other thing that I think is wild is Sir Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay made a deal that they would reach the summit at the same time.
Because it was like, who gets to the summit first?
When you think about it, especially with racism back then, Edmund Hillary was a Kiwi.
He must have been like, hey...
Brown guy, just carry the bags.
I'm going to get up there, and you come up, get a picture of me, and then we'll do one together, and then we'll head down.
But they made a deal to go up together because they needed him that much.
joe rogan
Well, you definitely need...
Those Sherpas can go all the way up there with no oxygen.
bert kreischer
Those Sherpas will get locked on a ledge with a bunch of white people.
The white people will have to have helicopters come out and get them.
A helicopter, I think, can only get to, like, 2,300 feet.
23,000 feet is like the safe zone.
They'll come and get the white people out.
And then the Sherpas are like, "Oh, we're gonna walk down.
And then I just heard a documentary about it.
Or a podcast.
But those guys are so fucking good at it.
joe rogan
Also, they're so adapted to that climate.
They live up there.
The adaption is a big part of it, right?
Because it takes a long time to be able to adapt to that low of an altitude.
Or high of an altitude, rather.
bert kreischer
Look what they're carrying up.
joe rogan
Look at that guy carrying that shit on his back.
That is crazy.
Bro, I walk around with a 45-pound plate and I complain.
That's so much shit.
That guy must have legs of steel.
How bad is his lower back, though?
bert kreischer
I bet they all smoke.
joe rogan
I bet they smoke like a chimney.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do they smoke?
Do Sherpa smoke?
bert kreischer
I just saw a documentary on Netflix about the earthquake.
Look at him.
joe rogan
Smoking.
bert kreischer
Eric Shipton.
joe rogan
Look at that guy.
That's one of them early explorer type fellows.
Click on that dude with the pipe.
Yeah.
Look at that guy.
Back in the day, man.
No fucking internet.
These guys had heard about it.
They heard about it.
You know?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And we're going to go.
They probably saw a photo that one person took.
You know?
I mean, back then, how many fucking people had photos?
bert kreischer
The guy who figured out the height in like, what, fucking 30?
Like, turn of the century?
Was an Indian guy?
Or, you know, Nepalese.
He figured out the height, and he was within 30 feet of being correct.
Just from distance and doing math, he was in 30 feet after satellite images came in.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Everest pioneers packed 15,000 cigarettes.
unidentified
Holy shit!
joe rogan
Despite low oxygen.
bert kreischer
I bet they thought it was good for their lungs.
joe rogan
Well, people used to think that it was like an exercise for your lungs.
bert kreischer
They did that with Teddy Roosevelt.
Teddy Roosevelt's dad, Teddy Roosevelt had asthma.
joe rogan
That's right.
bert kreischer
And his dad would make him smoke cigars with him in his lounge.
He's like, it'll strengthen your lungs.
joe rogan
Yeah, I saw something like that where a doctor, and it was like an old-timey movie.
God, who was it?
Who was it?
I think it was Leonardo DiCaprio.
Like, who did Leonardo DiCaprio play in a movie?
He played some famous wealthy guy.
bert kreischer
Howard Hughes.
joe rogan
That's right.
And I think it was when Howard Hughes was young.
He had bad lungs and the doctor was prescribing cigarettes to him.
God, I hope I'm not remembering this wrong.
I may be.
But I know that they used to, some doctors would recommend cigarettes to certain people that have certain lung issues.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which is so crazy.
bert kreischer
They were so bad.
joe rogan
How bad was going to the doctor back then?
bert kreischer
Oh, they were just guessing.
joe rogan
I mean, not just guessing, but...
I'm guessing so wrong.
bert kreischer
I asked my dad about the polio vaccine, and I go, do they have to run it by your parents?
He goes, parents?
They just took us into the gym and stuck everyone.
I mean, they just were like, yo, we think this works.
joe rogan
There's a controversy yesterday when there was some sort of a hearing on whether or not they should ban sugar and candy from school lunches.
Or whether they should discourage sugar and candy.
And it was something like the American Heart Association voted to not restrict the diets of kids.
And everybody was like, what?
What's going on?
Let me get this right.
Because I was supposed to save this and I was on the phone and I didn't.
See if you can find it, Jamie.
But it was a conversation that was happening yesterday, and it was being shared on the internet where people were freaking out like that.
bert kreischer
And you're talking about school lunches, not like what your parents...
joe rogan
I don't remember correctly, unfortunately.
bert kreischer
So there were restrictions, if I'm not mistaken, there were restrictions on what we could give our kids to school.
joe rogan
Really?
bert kreischer
You couldn't just give them everything.
joe rogan
You couldn't just give them candy?
bert kreischer
You couldn't give them candy.
joe rogan
Yeah, here it is.
Trump officials want to ban junk food from SNAP, but past efforts show it's not easy.
No, that's not it.
unidentified
There's something coming up.
joe rogan
That's the only thing coming up?
unidentified
Yeah, it has to do with this, but I don't know what's...
I'm trying to figure out...
joe rogan
There was a video...
God, I want to say...
jamie vernon
Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's...
I think that's the push, but there was resistance to it that I thought was crazy.
God damn it, I know I saved it.
Is that it?
unidentified
It's the same thing.
joe rogan
Okay, this is it.
American Heart Association opposes...
SNAP's sugary food drink regulations.
That's what it is.
American Heart Association opposes a Texas bill that would restrict using SNAP benefits to purchase sugary drinks and process snacks.
Critics' question of corporate funding influences the American Health Association's policies.
The AHA's opposition has sparked criticism over its history of receiving funding from major food companies, like PepsiCo and Coca-Cola, raising concerns about conflicts of interest.
An AHA spokesperson said their position on the Texas legislation was miscommunicated.
They say the organization has long favored the USDA using its authority to increase the consumption of healthy foods and decrease consumption of sugary drinks.
So they changed their opinion, probably based on controversy?
Hmm.
Okay, I often say, look at this, during the hearing, lawmakers and public health advocates voiced their opinions.
State Senator Lois Kochhorst Express shock over AHA's opposition during the hearing.
I often say that I can never be surprised in this building, but for the American Heart Association to be against this bill, that might be the surprise of the session so far.
It sounds weird that they would...
I mean, it doesn't even make sense.
That's obviously not good for you.
bert kreischer
No.
joe rogan
Like, why would they encourage that or change it?
Like, what would be their...
I forget what their argument was.
bert kreischer
Is it like a classist argument?
joe rogan
I don't know.
bert kreischer
It's because it seems like a classist thing.
When you go to Whole Foods, it's different than going to Ralph's or Vaughn's.
joe rogan
This is what it says.
Puente testified the AHA was concerned about the bill's potential impact on SNAP participation.
He also emphasized the importance of educating the public about healthy eating instead of restricting purchases.
See, but that seems weird.
Like, what better way to encourage healthy eating than to say, you're not going to starve.
You can get food, but you can't buy shit.
You can go buy hamburgers.
bert kreischer
But where does this line draw the line?
I'm just thinking, like, the other day I was in traffic and I thought, I can't believe they still let people ride motorcycles.
Because people die all the time.
And they cut lanes.
They die in cars, too, though.
Yeah, but in motorcycles, like, I'm getting one.
You are getting one?
Oh, yeah, fuck yeah.
joe rogan
Why are you doing that?
bert kreischer
Because Harley reached out.
joe rogan
Oh, don't.
bert kreischer
And they were like, come on, buddy.
joe rogan
Not in California, buddy.
bert kreischer
Dude, just for late night.
joe rogan
Drive out here.
unidentified
Late night.
joe rogan
Late night's when the crackheads are out.
bert kreischer
I'll tell you what.
I'll leave it here.
If I can leave it at your studio.
joe rogan
Yeah, leave it here.
bert kreischer
And then this will be my Austin bike.
unidentified
I'm coming to Austin.
joe rogan
Oh, you're going to have another bike.
You're going to have an Austin bike and a fucking...
This motherfucker.
Yeah, you can park it here.
bert kreischer
I'm coming out to Austin for like two weeks in June.
unidentified
Nice.
bert kreischer
Get ready for my tour.
joe rogan
Your kids have left the nest.
unidentified
My dude.
joe rogan
Time to bail my brother.
bert kreischer
Buddy, I'm living with one person every day all fucking day.
joe rogan
Wild.
bert kreischer
I know.
We do everything together.
unidentified
Come over here.
Come here.
joe rogan
You don't need to be in that bullshit state.
There's no need for that anymore.
bert kreischer
The mothership is just such a great place to do stand-up.
It's such a great vibe right now.
joe rogan
It's a great place to hang.
bert kreischer
It's been fun.
I went over there after our party on South By and just got fucking lit with Tony, Shane.
joe rogan
It's a fun place, man.
bert kreischer
Called it.
Called it early.
But I told Leanne, I said, I'm going to do like a week in Oxnard.
I was going to do a little run on my tour bus.
I said, I think I'm going to take my tour bus to Austin.
Just stay here for like a week, two weeks.
joe rogan
It's a good place to fuck around and do new stuff, too.
bert kreischer
It is.
joe rogan
Especially in the little room.
That little room is just, ugh.
bert kreischer
I can't tell you how valuable it is to have phones in yonder pouches.
joe rogan
Comedy store's doing that now.
Yeah, Peter Shore told me.
bert kreischer
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bert kreischer
Not two weeks ago.
joe rogan
That is amazing.
Really?
unidentified
I don't know.
bert kreischer
I don't think so.
joe rogan
It was two weeks ago.
bert kreischer
Maybe it was longer.
I don't know.
Last time I was there, I said some wild shit.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
When he get out?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
You can't practice.
bert kreischer
You can't fucking say.
joe rogan
You gotta be able to practice.
And part of practicing.
unidentified
It's the snitches.
bert kreischer
It's the snitches.
That want you to say...
It's almost like it's the fucking cunts that you...
joe rogan
They can't help it because you can get so many likes.
unidentified
Yeah!
bert kreischer
And I'm like, bitch, you want this comedy!
joe rogan
Right, but if you put something...
If you say something wild on stage and it's funny and they laugh, you could take that and put it on your Instagram and you'll get two million views.
And that's just too tempting for people.
We bust people with those metaglasses.
Yeah, they try to come in with their fucking Ray-Bans on and film things.
Those metaglasses are amazing.
My friend Jimmy, who works for the UFC, had them on the other day.
Upon arrival at the venue, all phones procured in yonder bags.
bert kreischer
Is this the store?
joe rogan
Yes, comedy store.
bert kreischer
December 10th?
joe rogan
Yep.
2024.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Nice.
bert kreischer
They just forgot.
joe rogan
Or maybe it was a comic who had his phone out.
Some comic three down the river.
bert kreischer
Fucking...
joe rogan
That happens.
There's a lot of cunty comics, especially like...
bert kreischer
There's a lot of cunty comics?
I'm starting to think that's all they got.
unidentified
No.
bert kreischer
Buddy, do you ever...
Hey, Joe, do you ever...
This is what makes me crazy.
joe rogan
What makes you crazy, Bert Kreischer?
bert kreischer
Do you ever be friends with someone and then all of a sudden realize you've been competing the whole time but you didn't know you were in a competition?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's unfortunate.
That's unfortunate.
Inspired by is a better way to look at life.
Competing is just not good for you.
bert kreischer
I've never once competed with another comic.
I've been inspired by so many fucking comics.
unidentified
That's good.
joe rogan
You have a healthy mindset.
But I think our whole group has a healthy mindset.
bert kreischer
I think so.
joe rogan
Yeah, we don't have any cunts.
We don't have any jealous, bitter cunts in the group of people that we're hanging with.
That's so important.
bert kreischer
I hung with Chappelle one night, and he just called.
I was in Dayton.
He was like, yeah, why don't you come out?
We'll party.
And I was like, cool.
And then we went out and partied.
You know, I kind of forget what a fan I am of his.
Just how great he is.
I mean, his kicker in the pussy joke might be one of my favorite jokes ever that's ever been written.
It's so fucking dope.
joe rogan
He's a great comic, but he's a great human.
bert kreischer
He's a great human.
joe rogan
He's a fun hang.
He's a genuine sweetheart of a guy.
bert kreischer
I was with him right before I shot the special, and I said to him, and we're fucking lit, right?
And I go, yo, Dave, I don't want to fucking...
I go, I don't want to talk shop.
I just want to hang.
But I got to say, you're the greatest to ever do it.
I'm getting ready to shoot my special.
I just would love a little bit of your insight of what you think.
Like how you prepare for one.
Pell lights a cigarette and he's like, alright.
How many shows?
I said six.
He goes, perfect.
And then he breaks down.
I'm not going to do it because it's Dave's secret.
It's Dave's thing.
He shared.
I don't want to.
But he broke down how he does a special.
To me, me and him, sitting in a fucking barn in the middle of a field in fucking three in the morning with IVs in our arms.
And I was like, dude, I gave him a hug.
I was like, he's the fucking greatest.
Him and Cat Williams, two of the baddest motherfuckers and the sweetest guys.
But I was like, that energy, I have no...
I want Chappelle's special to be fucking amazing when it comes out.
Everyone's telling me how great Schultz's special is.
I can't wait to fucking watch it.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you have a good attitude.
That's a good attitude.
That's how you're supposed to think.
bert kreischer
That's how I think.
joe rogan
The other way is not good for you.
bert kreischer
Let me see that.
joe rogan
Think about it.
You want another one?
You want a new one?
bert kreischer
Yeah, I'll take a new one.
joe rogan
The other way is bad for you as a human.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's not healthy to think that way.
It doesn't do you any good.
It only serves you to get fucked up.
It only serves your ego and your bullshit.
You got the clippers?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There you go.
bert kreischer
Ego, man.
joe rogan
It's just not good for you.
It doesn't help you.
It only hurts you.
It doesn't hurt the person that you're jealous of, and it hurts you.
It's not necessary.
You could just be inspired, and you could say, "Oh, this fucking mutt can make it."
You can say that.
I can do it, too.
But don't be jealous.
If you don't like someone, and they're becoming very successful...
Maybe think why you react so strongly.
Because a lot of times, it's unfortunately jealousy.
Like, there's comics that I don't think they're very good.
They don't make me laugh.
But I don't care.
I don't get mad at them.
You know what I'm saying?
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't get upset at them.
I mean, I'll be friends with them.
I'll like them.
You know, there's comics that I...
And I had to learn how to do that.
Because it used to be like, if guys weren't funny, I just couldn't deal with them.
Couldn't hang out with them.
I'm friends with a few people that suck.
But they're nice people.
You can separate that.
But I'm also friends with some people that are mind-blowing.
And there's such a value in that.
When you're around people that are really good at what they do.
When you're around Dave.
Schultz is my favorite for going to a place and then talking shit about the place in such a brilliant way.
bert kreischer
I think Schultz is fucking brilliant.
joe rogan
He's so good.
bert kreischer
Dude, the whole shit with Kendrick Lamar.
I was getting in the shower, reading it, texting him.
I'm sitting outside the shower texting him my favorite lines.
The only thing he has to do is decide if it's consensual.
joe rogan
That was crazy.
bert kreischer
But I get inspired by motherfuckers like that.
joe rogan
He's a funny dude, man.
Did you ever see the thing he did about Hawaii?
bert kreischer
No.
joe rogan
Oh my god, it's so funny.
He's in Hawaii.
He starts his setup.
He goes, I've never seen chickens more confident.
He does this whole bit about chickens in Hawaii.
It's such a funny bit.
If you've been to Hawaii, you know there's chickens all over the fucking place.
It's kind of crazy.
bert kreischer
Do you know who else does that?
Tommy.
Tommy shits on a place so aggressively, and they love it.
He did Dublin one year.
We both did it, and he goes, is it fun?
I said, I had the best time of my life.
He goes up, and it's the day the king gets coronated, and he goes out, first words, he's like, fuck your king.
unidentified
And the play starts going, ole, ole, ole, ole.
bert kreischer
Tommy didn't know if they were going to stop singing.
We did a show in Hawaii, and he goes, at Pearl Harbor, and they're like, alright, Tommy opens the show.
He goes, they're like, first rule, don't make fun of the Hawaiians.
Second rule, do not bring up Pearl Harbor.
First and second joke.
First joke.
Man, they say Island Life's slow.
I didn't know they were talking about your metabolism.
Man, you guys are fat as fuck.
I was taking a walk.
I don't want to be as fat as you guys.
I got lost on the base.
Lucky there are a couple Japanese guys that are pretty familiar with how this base operates.
Me and Russell Peters are crying laughing.
The Admiral's losing his mind.
God damn it!
What did I fucking tell him?
joe rogan
That's hilarious when they think they can tell you what not to talk about.
bert kreischer
I have an offer to do Dubai.
unidentified
Don't.
bert kreischer
Thank you.
joe rogan
You're going to fuck up.
You're going to say something stupid.
And they're going to put you in jail.
bert kreischer
Thank you.
joe rogan
Yeah, they arrest people over there.
bert kreischer
I know.
joe rogan
You can't play games in Dubai.
Did you see that one lady who went crazy at the airport?
bert kreischer
No.
joe rogan
Yeah, she got a little rowdy at the airport and started yelling at people.
And they're like, that's a wrap.
You're going to jail.
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
They don't fuck around over there, man.
I have a friend who moved there.
My friend Will.
And he's a documentary filmmaker, and he said, like, it's so safe over here.
He goes, that's what I love about it.
He goes, when I was in America, I was like, you go out at night, you're at a club, you're always worried someone's gonna pull a gun out, something's gonna happen.
He goes, there, there's nothing.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
No crime.
bert kreischer
But there's our, it's like Singapore, there's crazy rules.
joe rogan
Right, but what would you- And if you don't know all the rules- It's the real good question.
Would you rather have a little bit of danger and very little rules, or would you rather have no danger and a lot of rules?
bert kreischer
I want a little danger and a little rule.
joe rogan
I agree.
Yeah, I don't want to live in a place where they restrict what you could say and what you do.
bert kreischer
It's not even that.
They said to me, in the contract, we signed up to do, I do a tour start in October, Permission to Party.
Permission to Party is the name of the fucking tour.
Permission to Party.
And they go, what about Dubai?
I go, I don't think they're going to give me permission.
I think they're going to die.
The first thing was, you have to wear a shirt on stage.
And I was like...
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a wrap.
bert kreischer
I go, hey man.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
bert kreischer
It's kind of my thing.
Like, I'm comfortable shirtless.
That's how I...
That's how I perform.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
You can't wear no shirt.
Okay.
You guys have crazy rules.
Those rules don't make sense.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, what about Cirque du Soleil?
They have to wear shirts?
They do.
bert kreischer
I don't know.
joe rogan
They do.
I'm making that up.
Like, what about MMA?
How come they have MMA over there?
bert kreischer
How can they have MMA?
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
Are they performing with no shirts on?
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're going to make guys wear fucking wetsuits?
What are you going to do?
What are they going to wear?
bert kreischer
Now, by the way, that's the same argument I said as I got kicked out of a Buffalo Wild Wings with my shirt off.
And they're like, put your shirt on.
I go, the guys on MMA are wearing fucking shirts.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's different.
bert kreischer
Is it a little different?
joe rogan
That's different.
They're doing it in a sport.
But the point is, like, if you're performing, that's part of your performance.
It's like, you know how there's rules in LA?
Like, if you performed on stage, you're allowed to smoke cigarettes?
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because it's a part of your performance.
So, like, Chappelle was always lighting up even after the rules.
And everybody's like, hey, how come he can smoke?
Because it was like in the 90s that...
They passed the laws where you're not allowed to smoke in comedy clubs anymore.
Do you remember that?
bert kreischer
Yeah.
If it was part of your act, you could smoke.
That's how Ron White smoked cigars on stage.
joe rogan
Right, but there was a law before that.
You were allowed to smoke in bars.
bert kreischer
I remember doing stand-up when you could smoke at the Boston Comedy Club.
And, buddy, do you remember the last stop in Houston?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
bert kreischer
That place, there were so many cigarettes, you would come out with a cough.
joe rogan
Yeah, the air was filled with smoke.
bert kreischer
Your jeans would smell?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, you always smelled.
I always come home from a club back in the 90s, and I'd smell my clothes.
They always smell like cigarettes.
But you got used to the smoky room.
It was like part of the thing about a comedy club is when people smoke cigarettes, they're doing something really stupid.
You know what I mean?
And doing something really stupid is they fuck it.
There's so much fuck it in a cigarette, and there's fuck it in a drink, and there's fuck it in this guy talking shit on stage.
Ah, he sucked his own dick!
It, like, led to the atmosphere.
I loved it in pool halls, too.
I loved being around the smokers, even if I didn't want to have anything to do with it.
bert kreischer
Do you remember the comics that would smoke on stage, and then they'd go and do The Tonight Show, and they didn't know what to do with their right hand?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, there was that, right?
Well, back in The Tonight Show, the early days, I was watching, the other day, I was watching Jackie Gleason on The Tonight Show, and it was the only time I think he was ever on The Tonight Show, which is kind of crazy.
But they were just, he sat there, immediately lights a cigarette.
By the way, he was dead.
Two years later.
Yeah.
He died of cancer.
In 87?
Google that.
bert kreischer
Johnny Carson had a little cigarette box.
joe rogan
Yeah, so this is...
bert kreischer
Those are his cigarettes right there in his little cigarette box.
joe rogan
Immediately when he sits down.
Well, Carson also died.
bert kreischer
How fucking great does that feel?
joe rogan
Carson also died of cancer.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Just sitting there.
How sweet it is.
bert kreischer
How sweet it is.
joe rogan
That's what he said right there.
bert kreischer
He did...
joe rogan
Makes him say it.
bert kreischer
He did...
Smokey and the Bandit, and they offered him points on the movie.
And he said, I'll take cash.
joe rogan
Whoops.
bert kreischer
I know.
joe rogan
Damn.
bert kreischer
I saw the sexiest thing in Palm Springs the other day.
White Cadillac.
joe rogan
Was it that lady playing golf?
bert kreischer
No.
White Cadillac.
75-year-old woman.
Hair done.
Little coif.
Windows up.
White, big Cadillac.
She puts a 100 cigarette, windows up, and lights it in her car.
Just windows up.
And I went, fucking old school.
joe rogan
Wow.
bert kreischer
I don't know.
When was the last time you saw someone smoke a cigarette in the car with their windows up?
joe rogan
I bet that lady's never been vaccinated.
She's never going to get cancer.
bert kreischer
She's never dying.
She's never fucking dying.
joe rogan
She's got them old school pioneer genes.
bert kreischer
Did you ever hear the story about Johnny Carson almost got killed by the guy in the mob?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What was that about?
Did he make a mob joke or something?
bert kreischer
No.
Frank Sinatra had to negotiate his safety.
joe rogan
What was it about?
bert kreischer
Johnny Carson...
I was at a bar drunk, and the mobster's girl was there, and the mobster was in the back, and Johnny Carson hit on the mobster's girl and, like, smacked her ass or lifted her skirt up.
joe rogan
Oh, no!
bert kreischer
And they were like, we're gonna kill him, and they went out and he hid.
And then he went out and they were like, no, we have a hit on him.
He's gonna die.
And Frank Sinatra had to negotiate it.
unidentified
Whoa.
bert kreischer
Someone just told...
Oh, you know who told it to me?
God damn it.
Oh, son of a bitch.
Not Fletcher.
Comedy store comic.
White hair, did The Tonight Show 120 times.
You know him.
joe rogan
Argus?
bert kreischer
Argus.
I think it was Argus who told me that story.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
Yeah, Argus.
Old school.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
Argus is a funny dude, man.
bert kreischer
Argus is fucking great, man.
joe rogan
He's, like, very underrated.
Unidentified wise guy and his goons picked Carson up off his bar stool and threw him down a flight of stairs before famed Salulu...
Saloon owner Jilly Rizzo, whose regulars included Sinatra, Dean Martin, and Judy Garland, interceded and prevented a more serious beatdown, but the mob big wasn't satisfied and put out a contract to have Carson whacked.
Terrified Carson wisely holed up in his UN Plaza palace for three days, missing three shows, according to the book.
The vengeful mobsters only backed off after one of Carson's...
Contacts at the William Morris Agency cut a deal with crime boss Joseph Colombo.
Holy shit.
unidentified
What?
bert kreischer
Oh, the American Civil Rights League.
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
The mob boss had recently formed the Italian American Civil Rights League to persuade America that a group, the people of Italian descent were being unfairly stereotyped as mafiosi.
That's hilarious.
The group is planning for a big rally and Colombo is deeply, deeply disappointed that so far all the networks have refused to cover the rally.
Soon an accommodation was reached, NBC News covered the rally, and Johnny could leave the apartment.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
As for Columbo, he was gunned down in 1971 at the second annual Italian Unity Day rally in Columbus Circle.
He was left almost totally paralyzed and died in 1978.
Holy shit.
That was the last of the rallies.
unidentified
I know there's a way around this.
joe rogan
No one's paying attention to an Italian-American civil liberties rally.
bert kreischer
They're making us look like thugs, like we're going to shoot each other in a rally.
joe rogan
Bro.
bert kreischer
Goddamn.
joe rogan
Those were scary days, man.
Those were scary, scary days.
But that was the story about the store, because the store used to be Ciro's Nightclub, so Bugsy Siegel owned Ciro's.
Did you know that?
bert kreischer
I knew that.
I didn't know that Bugsy Siegel owned it.
joe rogan
Yes.
It was Bugsy Siegel owned Ciro's nightclub.
And that place was scary, apparently.
That's why all those people see ghosts in that spot.
bert kreischer
Bad shit happened there.
joe rogan
100%.
100%.
unidentified
Bad shit.
joe rogan
You got a mob-owned nightclub?
People are getting shot.
I mean, people got shot at the comedy store when we were there.
A guy got murdered on the fucking front patio.
It was a gang hit.
bert kreischer
During like Mo' Better Mondays or something.
joe rogan
Rose was there when it happened.
Rose saw the guy die.
bert kreischer
Oh shit.
That's...
joe rogan
That place has always attracted crazy people.
I think there's an energy to that place, probably because of the gang history that just made it extra wild and dangerous.
It just always felt like anything can happen in that place.
I think there's baked-in memories.
There's photos of Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis on stage there.
That place was like...
That was the spot.
Like, that was the spot in L.A., and the mob would all be there, and they'd fucking do deals, whack people, and take people down to the basement and fucking kill them.
bert kreischer
Out of all the scariness in movies, the scariest part of any movie is one of those mob movies where they say to the guy, hey, Johnny wants to talk to you tonight.
And the guy's like, tell Johnny I'll call him tomorrow.
And he's like, no, he said to get in the car now.
And the guy goes, well, I'll take my car.
He goes, no, no, you're gonna get in the car with us.
And you know...
joe rogan
That guy's gonna die.
He's gonna die.
bert kreischer
Looks at his friend, takes off his ring.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bert kreischer
Gives it to him.
And I don't know.
I'm such a bitch that if in those moments I'd be like, no, I don't want to go.
And just start running.
Or like when you see the war movies, when you see, like in, what was the one?
1917?
When they tell those two kids they gotta run and go tell the front line what to do.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
bert kreischer
Is that 1917?
unidentified
I don't know.
bert kreischer
My grandfather stormed the beaches of Normandy.
Really?
Did you ever talk to him about it?
No, he died way before I was born.
He was one of those PTSD Levittown guys.
Moved to Levittown, and my dad said he just would sit in the garage, drink beers, and listen to Met games.
And just wash his car.
My dad said he never heard his dad ever mention the war, and if the war was brought up, his dad would walk out of the room.
But he stormed the beaches of Normandy, and I don't know.
I don't know if I have the thing in me to get off the boat.
I think I'm a bitch.
I think I'd be like, I'd lock down.
I'd be like, I'm not getting off.
When you look at guys like Jocko.
joe rogan
I think you had to get off that boat, buddy.
I don't think you had a choice.
And I think when your friends are running off that boat, you run off that boat too.
And guys are getting gunned down.
You just hope it's not you.
And you're probably just shitting your pants.
bert kreischer
Shitting my pants.
joe rogan
And that one day, like how many thousands of people died?
Thousands and thousands of people died.
Just bullets and guns going off everywhere.
That fucking movie, the...
bert kreischer
Saving Private Ryan.
joe rogan
Yes.
Spielberg nailed that movie.
That opening scene was so fucking horrific.
That you'd never seen a scene like that in a war movie that accurately depicts people getting torn apart right in front of you.
bert kreischer
My dad found his dad's diary from the war.
And he photocopied it and sent me the photocopy.
My dad has the diary.
And it's funny because, you know, I'm...
My memory is jaded to how I find things interesting, so sometimes it's not 100% accurate, but in there, there was a memory of they took one of these Q boats, I think, or K boats, across the fucking Atlantic over to England, barely had time to get off the boat,
stayed in England for a second.
I want to say they stayed on the boat the whole time, and then took that same boat over to, or they probably took different boats, but took a boat over to Normandy.
My grandfather's entry is something to the effect of, We're going to this...
We're storming this beach today.
Like, they didn't...
I don't think he knew, like, what...
The levity or the seriousness of what was happening.
I think they were, like...
Like, he just very casually mentioned it.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
bert kreischer
And the only other thing I remember out of reading that diary was that he would...
He would get water in his helmet.
It was so cold.
He'd get water in his helmet to shave.
And by the time he went to shave, he had to break the...
It would freeze over with ice.
He had to break it with his razor.
But to think that...
I mean, just the amount of trauma that those guys went through, and no one really cared about it.
They were like, just have a fucking shot of scotch.
joe rogan
And that was the second time the world had gone to war.
The world had gone to war just a couple of decades earlier.
bert kreischer
Dude, can I tell you what fucking makes me stop for a second?
When we were in Serbia, they have statues of Gavriel Pritsip everywhere.
He's the guy that shot Franz Ferdinand, the Archduke.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
bert kreischer
They have statues of him everywhere.
He's a fucking national hero in Serbia because he technically created Yugoslavia.
I mean, people wear shirts of Gabriel Pritsip.
They have wallets of this guy, movie producer.
Who started World War I. He changed the world forever.
That one man is responsible for millions of deaths and so much suffering.
Isn't that crazy?
joe rogan
And they have statues of this dude.
bert kreischer
Statues everywhere.
Dude, some guy...
I got obsessed with it because I was like, I can't believe you guys...
We consider that a terrorist in our country.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
bert kreischer
And this one guy gave me a...
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
bert kreischer
They gave me a...
joe rogan
Look at that writing.
How cool is that writing?
Go back to that.
Look at the fucking writing at the bottom.
Look how cool that is.
bert kreischer
Can you read that?
Yeah.
unidentified
Really?
bert kreischer
I think it's Russian.
It's acrylic or whatever it is.
Cyrillic.
joe rogan
You can read that?
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
For real?
You can read Russian?
bert kreischer
Yeah.
I never told you about the time I went to Russia?
joe rogan
You did, but I didn't know you could...
I didn't know you learned how to read it.
I thought it was really hard to read.
bert kreischer
I just met this DJ, very big DJ, DJ Zed.
If I played you any of his songs, you've heard every one of them, right?
unidentified
Okay.
bert kreischer
And we met him at...
I was with Santino.
We were at a tennis tournament.
And I said, wait, where's your accent from?
And he goes, oh, I'm Russian.
I said, good day.
And he goes...
And we started talking Russian back and forth.
joe rogan
How long did it take you to learn that?
bert kreischer
As long as I was there.
I got pretty good towards the end.
joe rogan
How long were you there for?
bert kreischer
A month and a half, three months.
joe rogan
That's it?
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's incredible.
Do you have a hidden skill?
A hidden ability to learn languages?
bert kreischer
No, I know.
I can speak Spanish.
I just told you the same Uber drivers picked me up six times in this town and he doesn't speak English.
joe rogan
How'd you learn how to speak Spanish?
bert kreischer
I was just growing up in Florida.
joe rogan
Really?
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
You might have like a secret language ability.
bert kreischer
No.
Anyone that just heard me talk in Russian just knows that I barely...
I don't even sound good.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you could...
I took Italian in college.
I can't fucking speak Italian.
I took Spanish in high school.
I can't speak Spanish.
bert kreischer
No.
Yeah, I can understand Russian a lot better than I can speak it.
joe rogan
Yeah, you might have like a hidden ability to learn languages.
bert kreischer
And I can understand Spanish a lot better than I can speak it.
But like I was just in Spain.
I was just in Spain a week ago.
And apparently, my Spanish, it sounds like, me need ice!
Me ice!
joe rogan
At least you can say something.
You can communicate.
Something's popping off in Serbia right now.
Like, one of the largest protests ever is happening in Serbia right now.
bert kreischer
For real?
joe rogan
300-plus thousand people in the streets.
bert kreischer
It's a complicated country, and I love Serbia.
I love Serbia.
joe rogan
I don't know what's going on.
I have no idea what this protest is about.
I just saw it in the newsfeed popped up.
Record-sized protests in Serbia.
jamie vernon
Deaths over 15 people dying in a railway station collapse.
joe rogan
So what are they...
jamie vernon
It's hundreds of thousands of people descended on Serbia's capital to protest over the deaths.
unidentified
I'm not sure.
joe rogan
Huh.
So, was it like some corruption or something?
Like some shitty construction?
Like, what happened?
jamie vernon
We quote, we just want a country that works, law student says.
joe rogan
Wow.
So, hundreds of thousands of people in the streets because a rail station collapsed?
unidentified
That's what it says on BBC.
joe rogan
I'm looking to see if it makes more insight.
They don't take any shit over there.
bert kreischer
Dude.
joe rogan
Figure it out, bitch.
We'll get in the street.
bert kreischer
It's fascinating.
I mean, listen, I understand if you're serving and you're listening, you may disagree with what I'm about to say.
I'm just going to say it.
They fucking hate Albanians.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
bert kreischer
They make Albanian jokes like crazy, right?
So one day we're on the set and I said to one of the guys, I go, hey, man, like, I'm not like a woke dude.
It's a funny joke.
But, like, what if there's an Albanian here that, like, heard that and hurt their feelings?
And he goes, oh, he'd know to be smart enough to keep his fucking mouth shut.
And I went, all right, never mind.
The only Albanian they like is Dua Lipa.
They love Dua Lipa.
I know I'm generalizing, and I know there's Serbians that are like, we don't hate them all, but they all know how to play basketball.
They're all tough as fucking shit.
Every dude's a fucking man.
You don't meet one dude that you don't think is a cage fighter.
joe rogan
Bro, these war-torn countries are not playing games.
bert kreischer
Bro?
joe rogan
They breed different humans.
And that's when those guys come over to the UFC.
They're different humans.
bert kreischer
They had a...
Now, mind you, I gotta guess the Serbians that I was hanging out with.
And one of them was my driver.
But, like, they had a chant for their president.
For the...
Like, when their president...
They would chant out the other guy.
And it was like, uh...
He's Vinici!
He's a faggot!
unidentified
He's Vinici!
joe rogan
Jesus Christ!
bert kreischer
Such a fucking...
I don't know, man.
There's something really interesting about that freedom that they had there that they just talked openly.
And they'd take a cigarette break, and the girls would sit down and cuddle up next to a dude that they weren't dating.
They'd just touchy like that.
There's no intimacy counselor on set.
I remember watching one of the girls sit and have a cigarette with one of the dudes, and they were just cuddling against the wall.
And I was like, are they dating?
And they're like, no, they're just friends.
Look at that shit.
That's Serbian basketball, baby.
joe rogan
Bro, that's war.
That's war.
How long before these guys take over basketball?
bert kreischer
Oh, buddy.
Give them another year.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're taking over MMA.
They're taking over boxing.
bert kreischer
Dude, everyone plays basketball.
The girls play basketball there.
Jesus Christ.
No one jogs.
I was the only one jogging every morning.
Every morning I jogged by myself.
joe rogan
They're fucking farmers carrying weights around.
bert kreischer
They're fucking...
Those men are beasts.
I'd go to the mall.
It was like the nicest place to go.
joe rogan
Bro, that is the most terrifying basketball game I've ever seen in my life.
Imagine showing an American basketball crowd what they do in Serbia.
You'd be like, oh no, they're coming.
bert kreischer
Wouldn't it be great to watch a Serbian team play like one of those inner city teams?
joe rogan
Look at this.
unidentified
Give me some volume.
bert kreischer
Look at that.
Look at that.
joe rogan
Holy shit!
That's like fight night intensity.
bert kreischer
That's Texas fucking high school football.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
bert kreischer
We used to play a black team growing up.
It was like Booker T. Washington.
They would come in, we'd play basketball, and the visiting stands would be packed.
I can't remember the exact name of the team, but they'd be packed.
And their thing was, boom, we thump.
Boom, boom, we thump.
And the whole fucking crowd, and we were like just a bunch of white kids.
We had no chance.
We had no chance.
I've got spirit.
Yes, I do.
I've got spirit.
How about you?
And they'd be like, suck our dicks!
But that energy, that high school black inner city energy with some HBCU cheerleaders.
You ever seen the HBCU cheerleaders?
joe rogan
Yes, I have.
bert kreischer
They're my fucking favorite.
Versus a Serbian, just fucking no deodorant.
God, man, I miss Serbia.
joe rogan
When those folks start entering into other sports, when people from hard environments start entering sports, like the scariest guy in the UFC, or one of the scariest, is from Chechnya.
bert kreischer
Chechnya.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bert kreischer
That's war-torn.
joe rogan
Dude, this guy is a fucking...
Hamzat Chemayev, he is a fucking animal.
Have you ever seen that guy fight?
Hamzat Chemaev?
Pull up Hamzat Chemaev versus Kevin Holland.
So Hamzat Chemaev is the number one contender in the UFC's middleweight division.
He's a fucking monster.
And he's so aggressive, like relentlessly aggressive.
He's known to get in fights like backstage and just an animal.
And like in post-fight interviews, he's like, I fucking killed him all!
I killed him all!
bert kreischer
Wait, did I just watch him drop weight today?
joe rogan
Oh, you might have.
bert kreischer
Where they shaved his head to drop weight?
joe rogan
No, I don't think so.
Maybe.
I don't think so.
But he just, go right from the beginning, because this is the beginning of the fight.
Watch how he storms at him.
bert kreischer
Wow.
joe rogan
The amount of fucking grappling power you have to have to ragdoll Kevin Holland like this is insane.
Kevin Holland is a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt under Travis Luter.
I mean, he's a legit grappler.
That's why he's surviving and he scrambles.
It's because he's a legit black belt.
bert kreischer
What's he saying to them?
joe rogan
They're talking shit.
Kevin likes to talk shit.
bert kreischer
Where's a lip reader when you need one?
joe rogan
I think Kevin's probably like, "Come on, man.
I thought we were gonna stand up.
Why don't we fight?
Why don't we fight in the feet?"
He's probably trying to goad him into doing something stupid.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Kevin talks shit while you're hitting him.
I mean, this is crazy grappling ability.
The way he rotates with him.
And here it is.
Here's the darse.
So he syncs up the choke and slides through.
Watch his right hand.
His right hand's going to reach forward and grab a hold of his bicep.
Watch how...
This is when he's sent to...
See it slides down?
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
When the right hand, right now it's still open.
Now it clamps.
Now it's on the bicep.
That's the choke.
The choke's fully locked in now and Kevin's fucked.
He's totally fucked.
And he's going to have to tap.
And he eventually taps.
To tap a guy like Kevin Holland and not just tap him, but he has no chance at any moment in the fight.
It's just total grappling dominance.
bert kreischer
Look at that.
joe rogan
He's a monster.
Just a fucking monster.
And, like, the most aggressive guy in the fucking sport, like, right away charges, and this is it.
This is the end.
Once he taps it.
bert kreischer
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Once he gets that leg over the top of the body, so he isolates the body and constricts deeper into the choke, he's done.
bert kreischer
Dude, I got choked out by my daughter, Isla.
unidentified
Oh, no.
bert kreischer
Yeah, we were on vacation.
joe rogan
Were you trying not to get choked out?
bert kreischer
No, she's a girl, so I thought...
She's talking shit.
Eddie Bravo's got her private jujitsu lessons.
So she's been taking jujitsu in her fucking gym.
And she's dyslexic, so she can never tell you the right move she's about to do.
And we're on vacation, and she goes, it'll be easy.
You can slow down there, big guy.
I'll choke you out.
And I was like, oh, you're going to choke me out?
She goes, it's easier to choke out big guys.
And I went, really?
She goes, I find it easier.
And I was like, okay.
I was like, Try to choke me out.
Joe, this little needle arm went around my neck, and I swear to God, what is she, like 15 at the time?
I just went, I tapped.
She was like, yeah, that's what I thought.
I was like, my daughter?
joe rogan
That's what I thought, she said.
I was like, shit.
bert kreischer
Dude.
joe rogan
Disrespect.
bert kreischer
She did.
She met Eddie Bravo.
She met Eddie Bravo at our house one night.
And, you know, Eddie, me, Sam Tripoli, Eddie and I are lit, right?
And we're in the kitchen.
We've just done, like, a podcast.
And Isla comes in.
She's like, who's this guy?
And I go, this is Eddie Bravo.
She goes, okay.
I was like, he teaches jujitsu.
She goes, I want to learn jujitsu.
And Eddie goes, really?
And she goes, yeah, a little bit of that.
Hi-ya!
And Eddie goes, that's not jujitsu.
She goes, whatever it is, I want to learn it.
So he goes, all right, I'll set you up.
And he got her this lady that came over to the house like three times a week.
joe rogan
Oh, wow, that's amazing.
bert kreischer
Got mats in the back, and Isla loved it.
I loved it.
Except she turned the nest cam around so we couldn't watch her jujitsu lessons.
joe rogan
Oh, that's funny.
bert kreischer
She was like, "I don't want you to watch what I do.
I want to learn it."
joe rogan
That's cool.
bert kreischer
Yeah, it was really cool.
joe rogan
It's a very good thing for women to learn because jiu-jitsu allows you to defend yourself in a way that very few martial arts really do because you don't have to rely on the size of your hands hitting people and, you know, and kicking people.
It's too hard.
It's too hard to knock out a man.
Like, if you have small hands, if you're a woman, it's just like you just can't generate enough force for the most part unless you're, like, an unusually strong woman.
Some women, like, you know, you know, like...
There's a few, like Holly Holm.
You don't want Holly Holm punching you in the face.
Amanda Nunes will knock you out cold, 100%, even if you're a dude.
But most women, they just don't have the power in their hands.
But everyone has the power to carry your body around, right?
So your legs are really strong.
If a woman gets her fucking legs locked around your neck and gets a triangle on you, you're fucked.
If she knows how to do jiu-jitsu, your legs are carrying...
If you weigh 130 pounds, you're a woman.
Your legs are carrying 130 pounds all day long, and they don't get tired.
And they're strong.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
So all you have to do is, like, whoop, whoop, lock that bitch in behind the knee, crack, and pull on the head, and you're going to sleep.
You're going to sleep, dog.
bert kreischer
She could have put me to sleep.
joe rogan
I bet she could have.
bert kreischer
I've been fucking humiliating.
joe rogan
There was a show that they used to have on Showtime with this dude who was a porn star, and he had a show on Showtime.
And he had, like, a reality show.
And in one of the episodes, he was going to do jujitsu with a woman.
And so my friend Felicia, Felicia O, who's a black belt under Jean-Jacques Machado, she's a legit beast.
And, you know, she weighs 130 pounds, maybe, maybe 135, maybe.
She choked the fuck out of this dude like multiple times.
I don't even think she was a black belt at the time.
She was probably a brown belt.
unidentified
Maybe she was a black belt already?
joe rogan
She was a black belt before me.
But I used to train with her all the time.
She's really, really good.
And a dude who didn't know what he's doing, he's going night-night.
bert kreischer
It's amazing how many dudes don't know what they're doing.
joe rogan
Most people don't.
bert kreischer
Most people.
joe rogan
It's too hard to learn.
And you've got to get humiliated when you do learn.
You know, you get fucking humiliated.
It's a brutal wake-up call when you get strangled.
And how easy it is for people to do it to you.
bert kreischer
You're so vulnerable when you're unconscious.
joe rogan
Well, you're just so vulnerable when you do jiu-jitsu against someone who's good at it.
I remember the first time I realized I was a white belt and I had rolled with this kid who was a purple belt and he was my size.
And he just mauled me.
And I remember thinking, this is crazy.
Like, I can't believe I'm totally helpless.
Like, I thought I had this delusional idea.
Like, I know how to fight.
I'll fucking figure this out.
This ain't that big a deal.
It's not that much different from Taekwondo or kickboxing.
Like, delusional.
I got strangled over and over again by everybody.
But this one guy in particular, he just was murdering me.
And I remember thinking, I gotta learn this.
Like, this is, like, really important to know.
Like, I didn't know I was that vulnerable.
bert kreischer
Have you gotten choked unconscious?
joe rogan
No, never unconscious.
I always tap.
bert kreischer
Oh, that's terrifying.
It's terrifying.
It's terrifying because you...
You get that moment where you're like, oh, oh.
joe rogan
I definitely sparked out a couple of times where I could see the door was closing.
You have a second left before you go out, before you tap.
And when someone's got a really good rear naked choke, once it's locked in and they start to clamp down the pad, you gotta fucking tap.
You gotta tap.
Especially in training.
It's stupid to not tap.
Because you could really get hurt.
Especially if you get caught in an arm bar or worse, it's like a heel hook or a knee bar.
You gotta tap immediately.
You can't...
Take a chance with ripping your joint apart.
It's not worth it.
bert kreischer
Fuck.
joe rogan
And I had a lot of injuries from not tapping in time.
I had a bad Kimura injury on my elbow.
My friend Brent caught me in a Kimura and I couldn't believe that he got it.
I was like, because I usually get him.
I was like, I am gonna get him.
And then he got me.
I'm like, oh my god, he got me.
This motherfucker got me and I didn't want to tap.
And I was trying to work my way out of it and work my way out of it.
And eventually I had a tap and I was like, oh, I fucked my elbow up.
And I couldn't do chin-ups for like three months.
bert kreischer
Really?
joe rogan
It was brutal.
It was horrible.
Every time I do a chin-up, I was agony in my left elbow.
bert kreischer
Do you still roll?
joe rogan
No.
bert kreischer
Is that because you're back?
joe rogan
No, I want to again, but I've had a few aggravating injuries.
I had some sciatica a while back, like a real stiffness in the back.
But you know what's really changed that a lot?
It's stretching.
I've spent like an hour and a half every night just stretching.
bert kreischer
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's loosened everything up.
And I realized like sometimes I go too hard and I don't give myself enough recovery.
You know, I just push a little too far.
And then I ignore, like I had this back thing that was bothering me from archery.
And I just ignored it.
And it was just a muscle thing, so I wasn't worried about it.
bert kreischer
Wait, where is it?
Like right in the center of your back over the right?
joe rogan
No, no, my right.
On the side.
It's on the side by the hips.
bert kreischer
Oh, lower, lower.
joe rogan
Right, so I know it's not worrying me like a spine thing.
Spine things worry me.
But this was inflamed, and I just kept shooting the bow.
I just was like, shut up, pussy.
And I just pushed it to the point where it got kind of chronic.
And it bothered me for a while.
It's much, much better now.
But I'm being real careful to get it to 100% before I think about doing anything.
Like right now, I can kick the bag again.
I can do pretty much everything again.
But it's one of those things where I'm still getting better.
bert kreischer
When you say stretching, because after I did so much working out, I had a masseuse come in and kind of test my flexibility because I had some problems in my forearm.
And my shoulder can't go, like I can't get it past this.
joe rogan
Do you have an injury?
bert kreischer
I don't know.
I have no fucking idea.
I think it's no recovery and no stretching.
I do no stretching.
joe rogan
Well, benching's rough on the elbows.
Or the shoulders, rather.
Benching can get rough, especially if you bench heavy.
bert kreischer
Especially when you watch.
Have you ever seen the dudes snap a fucking?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I have seen that.
unidentified
Yeah.
bert kreischer
That's all I was thinking about.
joe rogan
It pops off and then you're fucked.
bert kreischer
You know Cody Rhodes?
joe rogan
No.
bert kreischer
Cody Rhodes is the WWE champion.
He's Dusty Rhodes' son.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
Yeah, I fucking tell him I'm doing the bench press competition.
And he goes, oh, I tore my pec at 315.
And I was like, that's the fucking bet.
And he was like, oh, you don't even see it coming.
Look at his pec.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
bert kreischer
He goes, it felt like Velcro.
He just started.
joe rogan
And he wrestled even though his pec was torn?
bert kreischer
He wrestled with a torn pec.
joe rogan
What a fucking animal.
bert kreischer
He is a beast.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, that's crazy.
bert kreischer
Yeah, we did Go Big Show together.
His dad was the best.
joe rogan
Hell in a cell with a torn pec.
These guys are animals.
bert kreischer
Well, you know, it's when you're young.
joe rogan
Well, it's also like wrestling.
It's like the culture, the pro wrestling culture.
The culture is like, you're going to get battered.
Like, we're battering each other.
bert kreischer
More so in the past.
Those guys really got fucked up.
joe rogan
Oh, dude.
You know, I've had a bunch of those guys in here.
They tell me the stories.
You know, Hulk Hogan and fucking Jake the Snake.
Like, all these guys are animals.
Undertaker.
bert kreischer
And they all drank six packs after the show.
Everyone was snorting coke.
joe rogan
They were going from town to town, beating the fuck out of each other.
bert kreischer
How much better do you think anabolic steroids are than testosterone?
joe rogan
As far as like putting weight on and mass, way better.
bert kreischer
Is it so much more noticeable?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
It's completely cheating.
bert kreischer
Have you ever done an anabolic steroid?
joe rogan
Nothing serious.
I've never done anything serious.
I tried Anabar once, and I've done like some minor stuff.
There was some stuff that I got that you used to be able to buy at the store.
You used to be able to buy it from GNC, like a vitamin store.
And they eventually pulled it off the market.
I forget what it was called.
I forget what it's called, but it was pills.
And holy shit, did this work.
It was like legit steroids that you could buy at GNC.
bert kreischer
When I was in college, you could buy GHB at GNC.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
bert kreischer
Yeah, because you would take a little cap full before you went to sleep and it would burn fat while you slept.
joe rogan
Well, apparently, I was reading about this conspiracy about GHB and about how safe GHB is in small doses and how good it is for you with sleep and recovery.
But the problem is people would dump it in people's drinks and then it was like a date rape drug.
Because if you have a lot of it, you're out of it.
You don't know what the fuck is going on.
And so then it became the date rape drug.
And it just got pulled from the market, or at least very difficult to get.
But yeah, I remember during those days when it was out, bodybuilders would always talk about it.
They were all taking GHB before they go to sleep.
Google what the conspiracy is about GHB, but it has some profound effects on recovery.
It puts you in deep sleep.
And apparently, at the right doses, it's very safe.
bert kreischer
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
This doctor was explaining, like, what had led to it being demonized and, like, what the actual benefits of GHB are.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
I remember taking it in college.
joe rogan
You took it?
bert kreischer
Well, to party.
First time I ever took it was on a rock in Greece in the middle of the ocean.
A rock in the middle of the ocean.
joe rogan
You're the problem.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
People like you.
bert kreischer
Well, it's funny shit.
joe rogan
What's he do for you?
bert kreischer
He's like, hey, mate.
Want a little liquid ecstasy?
And I was like, sure.
joe rogan
Liquid ecstasy?
bert kreischer
That's what he called it.
And I found out later it was GHB.
But he had like a little dropper, a capful, and we all took a sip, and all of a sudden you start blowing up a little bit.
Used to do that, and there were like these other, these store pills that you'd get.
You took enough of those, you'd fucking feel it.
joe rogan
Do you remember when they used to sell salvia?
They used to sell salvia in like a head shop.
They would sell bongs.
bert kreischer
Yeah.
joe rogan
Salvia was like a super potent psychedelic.
bert kreischer
Oh, I still have nightmares of Ari's Salvia trip.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
We played it on the podcast for him and he explained it to us that he had a whole life under the sea.
He had a whole relationship under the sea.
I think he went to another dimension.
That's what I think.
He said he was there for months.
Had a whole life.
GHB's mechanism of action has not been elucidated.
It crosses the blood-brain barrier where it interferes with dopamine levels in a complex dose-dependent way.
GHB's relief of the symptoms of narcolepsy is believed to be mediated via these dopaminergic effects.
GHB facilitates Deep, slow-wave sleep during which growth hormone release naturally increases.
This may explain why higher levels of growth hormone have been detected after GHB administration.
That's why the bodybuilders would take it.
There's a lot.
Well, this is Derek from More Plates, More Dates was on the podcast and he was explaining how making steroids illegal when they did that, they've stopped all the research and development that could have made those things very safe.
So because they stopped doing any studies on them and they made them a banned substance, then...
Everyone's just reliant upon the ones that are already in existence, and no new ones have been developed.
So all the steroids that people are taking are all steroids that have been developed a long, long time ago.
And he said it stifled the innovation and the ability to make better, safer ones.
The problem is the idea of cheating in athletics, right?
And it is a real problem.
If someone is taking steroids, they have an advantage over people who don't take steroids.
If they could figure out a way to make them safe where they didn't completely fuck up your endocrine system, there should be an argument where if it makes you perform better but doesn't have a detrimental effect on you, then athletes should take it.
bert kreischer
Yes.
joe rogan
But people don't like that idea because they don't want someone to have some massive advantage in any sort of a sport.
bert kreischer
It also goes into society, the demonizing of anyone on a semi-glutide.
Yeah.
I mean, people get shit on.
Like, I joke that Tom's on Ozempic all the time.
I think he is, but whatever.
joe rogan
Do you think he is?
bert kreischer
Oh, fuck yeah.
Really?
When have we ever known Tom to put in the hard work to lose the weight?
joe rogan
But he's been really disciplined.
bert kreischer
Or is he going...
unidentified
You really think so?
bert kreischer
No, I'm joking.
joe rogan
No, you're fucking around, right?
bert kreischer
I'm fucking around a little bit.
joe rogan
A little bit, but not really.
Not really, not really.
You might think he would do it and not tell you.
unidentified
I don't know.
Really?
joe rogan
His wife was on it.
Interesting.
bert kreischer
She got sick on it.
unidentified
She overdosed.
joe rogan
So did Brian Simpson.
Brian Simpson got real sick.
bert kreischer
So did Bobby Lee.
Did you see Bobby Lee threw up on a video?
It's fucking hysterical.
joe rogan
Yeah, folks, just carnivore diet.
bert kreischer
Carnivore diet.
joe rogan
Eat meat and eggs and you'll lose weight.
I guarantee you will.
You'll feel great too.
bert kreischer
But it is crazy how people, this is when he was on Ozempic and they were trying to shoot a promo and he kept going, Santino, I don't feel good.
And he's like, shut up, Bobby, let's just get it.
joe rogan
So does he actually puke?
Oh, boy!
Oh, Jesus.
bert kreischer
Oh, my God.
Now I'm gagging.
joe rogan
All right, Bert Kreischer, let's wrap this bitch up.
bert kreischer
Joe.
joe rogan
I love you to death.
bert kreischer
I love you to death, man.
joe rogan
Looking forward to hanging out with you while you're here.
bert kreischer
Permission to Party World Tour starts October 18th.
I'm in Vegas this weekend.
More importantly, my special Lucky.
joe rogan
Lucky, available right now.
bert kreischer
Streaming right now on Netflix.
I hope you guys like it.
joe rogan
I like your shirt.
bert kreischer
It's a very Pablo Escobar of you.
Shirt and matching pants.
joe rogan
Nice.
bert kreischer
Yeah, I really stepped it up a bit, Joe.
joe rogan
I like it.
I like the look.
All right, brother.
bert kreischer
Love you to death, brother.
joe rogan
I love you to death.
bert kreischer
Thank you.
unidentified
Bye.
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