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Yeah, you get a lot of that, for sure, but that's ridiculous.
That's ridiculous.
That's ridiculous thinking.
I don't even understand that.
I really don't.
I don't understand how we got to a place where you're wrong to have a conversation with someone, even if you disagree with them.
This idea of platforming people.
Well, how the fuck do you know what they really think?
Based on what?
The mainstream media that lies to you constantly?
That's supported by all sorts of special interest groups that have no need to tell the American public the truth.
They have a very specific narrative that they want pushed.
They want no deviation from that at all.
Get the fuck out of here.
Get the fuck out of here.
It's crazy.
If you have a large audience, I think you have at least a certain amount of responsibility to talk to some people that you think might be telling the truth.
Well, that was the most pushback I'd ever experienced ever in my life.
And I was like, this is crazy.
It was really sad to see people like Joni Mitchell and Neil Young.
I wanted to sit down and talk to them and show them some studies and give them Robert Kennedy's book and say, you don't really know what you're talking about.
Well, that's the thing that makes me sad is a lot of this information they're receiving is like from mainstream media, which certainly has its own objectives and its own, you know, things that it won't discuss.
Everything that everybody said about whether it was a lab leak, whether the vaccine had side effects, whether it was pushed, whether they lied about the studies and distorted the information, everything was true.
All of it.
Including Yale just released some study about people producing spike protein 700 plus days after the injections, which was never thought to be the case when they gave them to these people in the first place.
A host of different...
Serious problems that people are having because of these that everyone's covering up and people are lying about and everyone's trying to obfuscate and doctors are trying to sweep things under the rug because they don't want to be in trouble for mandating these things and telling people to get these things.
But it's just weird that so many people went along with it without question.
I mean, and especially the weirdest part was it was the people on the left.
That was so confusing to me because all my life, people on the left were very, very hesitant to believe anything that Big Pharma said and always distrusting in...
Any major institution that was profiting off of something, and it was all very clear.
You could see where the motivation was with everything.
You could see the amount of profit that was going to be generated, and still, everybody was just so scared.
It just exposed a lot of cowards, a lot of fools, a lot of cowards, and a lot of people that are just, at the moment of any form of adversity, are willing to just bow down.
And even the guy, interestingly, you know, Kerry Mullis, I believe his name, the guy who created the PCR tests, or, well, there was some discrepancy with other people.
But anyway, it doesn't matter.
But the guy credited, he said, this vaccine, this test cannot prove...
Depending upon the amount of cycles that you run the PCR, I mean, you could detect, like, the most minute amount that is not indicative of the person being infected.
It was a good experience for some people just to learn that like, hey, there's sources that you cannot trust.
And I think now the beautiful thing about someone like Elon buying...
Twitter and turning it into X and having community notes is now you have a way of fact-checking things where people use the community notes and they start posting studies in the community notes and saying, no, this story is not true.
Now, but after that Robert Malone thing happened, I was really curious.
I was wanting to contact you, and I didn't, but I was just curious how, because, man, I've never seen anyone take more body blows, but I've got to say, it was cool.
What was it like in Hollywood having your perspective, your healthy distrust of what was going on, where everybody was sort of in lockstep with whatever the government propaganda was?
And then, you know, the closer you get to the actual set where the shooting is, and then that red zone, people, put your mask on!
And I was just like, I never bought it.
And I, you know, I never bought it from the beginning.
I'm just like, I don't...
This doesn't feel right.
I'm supposed to wear a mask, but I haven't been sick.
Now, at this point, right now, I haven't been sick in eight years.
Well, back then was whatever, six years.
But it was just like I knew, well, no, I'm doing the math.
But you know what I mean.
It had been a long time since I'd been sick.
And I'm like, I don't feel like I need to wear a mask.
I would just not wear a mask, you know, but everybody else on the set's wearing a mask, which is very discomforting because, you know, you can't even relate to people so well without seeing their face.
It seems like there's so much you can subscribe to these days.
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Yeah, and it's also, it's like, It's this fucking disgustingly short-sighted approach because you don't live that long.
To live your life just profiteering off of the expense of other people's suffering is so crazy.
When you've got 80 years of your lucky, you've got 80 summers, 80 summers, 80 spins around the sun, and you're going to fucking sell people out for some money that you're never going to have enough of anyway.
All those cocksuckers, they all want more.
It never ends.
They all want a bigger yacht.
They all wanted this.
They all wanted that.
There was always something.
It never ends.
And somehow or another, we let them get away with it because we're profiting as well.
So if your game is just numbers, you're never going to be satisfied.
You know, if your game is just numbers, you're always going to look at the other people.
Like my friend Brian has a friend that has $3 billion and he says he hangs out with his billionaire friends and he feels poor because they have $30 billion.
Well, I mean, this is just a symptom of the moral decay of our society.
That, you know, we don't have a...
We're going to have a moral and ethical framework.
We're going to have a moral and ethical structure that we operate under.
And too many people are just motivated by my money instead of humanity, instead of looking at people as like a community.
We're all a community of people and you can still...
Profit, and you can still make money, but making more money at the expense of people's lives and suffering should be the most abhorrent thing that we could possibly imagine, especially if you're already wealthy.
That should be absolutely disgusting to us, and that it's condoned and just accepted, and you shrug your shoulders.
And by the way, most people do agree with this, but when you have, like, Over 70% of the people in jail are there for victimless crimes, mostly drug-related crimes.
That's the first time I really thought about, in spite of being around prisons, you know, much of my life, I'd never thought about the fact that they're...
And ironically, a lot of this lack of compassion...
Could be solved with psychedelics.
A lot of it.
A lot of it.
Where people expand their consciousness, understand that what they're doing is morally reprehensible, and even though you can sort of justify it because it's legal, it's disgusting.
We should change those laws.
Those laws don't make any sense because it's written on paper.
Doesn't mean it's just.
Doesn't mean it makes sense for logical, rational people.
He's an expert on ancient history, like a kind of a renegade historian.
He's got a sort of alternative version of ancient society, ancient civilizations.
He has a podcast?
Two seasons of a series called Ancient Apocalypse on Netflix.
It's really amazing.
Basically, his field of study is the evidence that human beings and human civilization has gone through a reset.
And that somewhere around 12,000 years ago, and this is all supported by this theory called the Younger Dryas Impact Theory, where they found evidence that the Earth was bombarded by comets at more than two different times in history that probably reset civilization.
And that this is probably why you see ancient structures that people can't explain, and these stone buildings that have incredibly complex geometry.
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Like at the World Fair in Chicago, like, they had all those buildings.
I'm talking about, like, Turkey, you know, I'm talking about, like, Gobekli Tepe and these ancient structures they found that are absolutely 11,000-plus years old, where people are supposed to be just hunter and gatherers, and that we had thought up until, you know, the last 40 or 50 years.
That society emerged around 6,000 years ago in Mesopotamia.
What he believes is that that is a re-emergence of society and that society had already reached a very high level of sophistication around 12,000 years ago and that something happened, some sort of gigantic cataclysm and reset things.
But Graham is also an enthusiast of ayahuasca and the power of psychedelic medicine and he has often said that To run governments, it should be mandatory that you have psychedelic sessions.
That is such a weird part of the human, you know, nature or whatever you want to call it.
Psychology.
And I noticed just the other day, there was some dude, like, I can't remember what the context was, but I remember he kind of came into my zone and I thought, look at this fucking guy, man.
He's such an asshole, you know?
I could just tell.
You could just feel it, you know?
And then I thought, Woody, why are you...
You've got nothing that tells you that that's true, you know?
And with political ideologies is that there's no currency in common ground.
The currency is all in division.
That's where you can gain the most momentum, get the most people on your side.
You have to say the other people are the enemy.
Common ground is much more common.
Most people agree.
Most people want to be safe.
They want to be healthy.
They want to be happy.
They want to have friends.
They want to have a good time.
They want to have a nice family.
They want to be loved.
They want to have love.
That's most people.
And they think that the other people are trying to prevent that.
Instead of just accentuating those important factors and saying we should all concentrate on that, then we should all look at things that prevent that.
What are the things that prevent happiness and love and health?
Let's all work collectively together to eliminate those aspects of our society.
Yeah.
The problem is you don't make a lot of profit doing that.
But listen, I think there are very good people that work in journalism.
I think there are very good people that work at the New York Times, the Washington Post, and even in CNN. I know them.
I know people that work at CNN, and I like them.
I know people that work at the New York Times, and I like them very much.
The problem is the institution.
And the institution is based on profit.
And where do you get your money?
Well, you get a lot of your money from pharmaceutical drug companies, from NGOs.
There's funding from all these different political groups.
That's the problem.
The problem is enormous entities that need incredible amounts of capital in order to stay relevant.
And in doing so, what's crazy is if you're in the information business, well, you can't be accurate.
You cannot be accurate about the distribution of information if your profits are based on you pushing a bullshit narrative because those are the people that are supporting you.
So therefore they're not going to make it.
It's like you see the writing on the wall.
It's like this is not tenable.
You're not going to be able to continue this.
You're going to either have to adjust course or you're going to be swallowed.
And that's what people – like people realize that now with the internet.
When you got people like Matt Taibbi and Michael Schellenberger and Glenn Greenwald, respected journalists who are now on the outside.
And so now they've amassed this huge following on the outside because, you know...
If you go to Glenn Greenwald, he's going to tell you what's actually going on.
Why are we invading this?
Why are we bombing this country?
What is going on?
And he'll tell you it all goes back to 2013 when this was passed and this is what happened and they tried to do this and this is what we're trying to do because there's oil here or there's minerals there and you're like, oh, fuck.
But most people don't have the time to do that kind of a deep dive.
So you turn on CNN and CNN says, safe and effective.
Have you gotten your knife booster?
Get your knife booster!
The fucking anchors are blacking out on TV and it's like, wow!
They're in a trap.
They're in a trap.
First of all, they're in a trap because of the actual...
Format of the show sucks, right?
Format of television shows suck.
You have three talking heads yelling at each other five minutes before commercial.
Everyone's trying to get a sound bite that goes viral.
And then you cut to a commercial about antidepressants.
And then you come back.
You come back and there's a flood and there's fucking Detroit's frozen.
Do you see that shit in Detroit?
Well, they had a flood, and then it froze, and so you got cars, like, up to the fucking windshield, frozen solid in the streets, and car alarms going off.
There was some sort of a water main line broke, probably because of the cold, and then the streets flooded, and then the streets, when they flooded, then they froze, and so all these cars, like, literally up to the windshield, stuck, see if you can find it.
He's another guy that's risen as an independent journalist.
He's a comedian, and he started his show basically just making fun of political things, and then during the pandemic got vaccine injured and really got kind of red-pilled and kind of became like the voice of truth and reason.
And, you know, another guy who's been completely outcast by supposedly progressive people for just telling the truth, the inconvenient truth.
I think they got co-opted, and I think it was on purpose.
I think there was some very sophisticated psychological manipulation that was involved, and a lot of money was being spent in order to push some very specific narratives.
And they did a great job of it.
They did a great job of it, but we're finding out because of the Department of Government Efficiency that most of this was funded by our own tax dollars, which is really fucking crazy.
A lot of these NGOs that supported a lot of these crazy riots.
All these different things that were happening in our cities was really supported by our own tax dollars.
It was just a subversion of public discourse.
Instead of allowing people to figure out what's right and what's wrong, they pushed what they wanted you to say and anybody who deviated from that was canceled.
And because of the fact that before Elon bought Twitter, the left had complete total control over the narrative because they owned all the social media sites and they were in lockstep with the government.
So it was just a dark time for information, but a few brave people braved the storm, and one of them was Jimmy.
But this is the perfect example of how the Trusted News Initiative managed to...
A lot of news just never got to people because...
The guy had a body cam and is talking to him and the guy who works for Pfizer is saying they just had a meeting talking about how they could weaponize these other viruses in order to basically create another pandemic so that they would have the vaccine to address it and make more money, which is not a surprising thing that they would be discussing.
But what was great was he admitted it to the guy while they're sitting there at our little diner.
Well, that was why you would get banned off of all these social media platforms if you even brought that up.
I mean, it used to be if you brought that up on YouTube, you'd get pulled from YouTube.
Now it's a fact.
Now it's a fact.
Now it's an undeniable fact.
All the things, like you said about Robert Malone, all the things that he said, Everything.
Every single one of them.
The fact that the injection doesn't stay locally, that it infects various parts of your body in different ways.
If it gets to your heart, it's very dangerous, because your heart doesn't have the ability to heal, which is why you don't get heart cancer.
So your heart just scars over, and you get myocarditis.
He started talking about all these different effects, and he, personally, was vaccine injured.
So he was a guy who took it, almost had a fucking heart attack, was like, what is going on?
His whole body freaked out.
It was deadly sick.
Managed to get through it, then started speaking out against it, then started doing more research and finding out what was going on, and then that was the collective freakout.
But crazy times are fun, too, because people snap out of it.
They pop through it.
They come out on the other side and they go, what the fuck was going on?
And then you have a reexamining of society.
And I think that's happening right now.
And I think that's a good thing.
As long as people keep their cool and they don't go tribal.
You can't go tribal.
You can't go us versus them.
They're the bad guys.
All those people with blue hair, those fucking pieces of shit.
No, they're sad, lost people.
That's what it is.
Sad, lost, angry people that think they have to lash out at the other for the problems that is really caused by gigantic corporations and the exchange of money.
And again, I think part of the problem is this lack of methods to escape.
And I don't mean escape reality.
I mean to escape the fog, the fog of propaganda.
And that's – I mean that's literally why all that stuff was made illegal in 1970. Richard Nixon was trying to stop the anti-war effort in the civil rights movement.
That's why they turned the Schedule I – the sweeping Schedule I Prohibition Act of all psychedelic drugs.
That's what that was about.
It wasn't about protecting society.
If it was, they would have got rid of OxyContin.
They would have got rid of addictive painkillers and Vicodin, Percocets.
I put myself through way more than life ever gives me.
So that I'm always...
You know, I get it.
You know, you're always vulnerable.
You're always weak.
You're always late.
There's always something.
So as long as you confront that all the time, all the time and keep your mind healthy and balanced and have a healthy perspective.
You know, there's a lot of like...
New-agey sort of bullshit terms that unfortunately have been co-opted by silly people.
But a lot of those, like...
They're very important, like gratitude.
Gratitude is a really important quality that people should have.
Mindfulness is a really important quality that people should have.
But these things are co-opted by goofy people that wear wooden beads and want you to join their cult.
It's like they want you to think that they're special and they're particularly spiritual.
And so unfortunately, really good concepts.
Are often tainted by silly people, you know?
Like, love and God and a lot of the things that are really, like, beneficial to us as a society.
They get co-opted by goofy people.
Like, how many people have been turned off by religion by watching mega pastors in these huge churches flying around in private jets and driving in Rolls Royces?
I'm not in favor of any religions that punish people that don't follow them.
And I'm not in favor of any religions that force a very rigid structure on people that has to be adhered to or you're a sinner or cast out.
I think that most religious experience – I think most religion is based on human beings' very unique experiences that have provided enlightenment and they're trying to express that enlightenment to other people.
And I think the problem with religious stories are that people are full of shit, and a lot of those stories suck.
You know, a lot of those stories are probably distorted by the hand of man.
I'm of the school of thought that a lot of the religious experiences that people talk about were probably inspired by psychedelic experiences.
There's a great book called The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross by John Marco Allegro.
Well, the John Marco Lego book, he was an ordained minister, but he was one of the people that was assigned to translate the Dead Sea Scrolls, and he did it over the course of, I think it was about 14 years.
And then he wrote this book because it was his belief, and he was a very straight-laced scholar.
He wasn't a psychedelic enthusiast, but he believed that the entire...
Christian religion was based on the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms and fertility rituals And he thinks that a lot of these stories that their origins come from that Really?
Yeah, and he believed that a lot of it was the Amanita muscaria mushroom, which is a very confusing mushroom because a lot of people have a hard time tripping on it.
Terrence McKenna believed that the problem was that the psychedelic compounds in it varied regionally and genetically, and that they weren't all the same, and that a lot of these people that were having these experiences were not.
It really depended upon where you get them from and how you got them and how you treated it.
And a lot of that information was lost.
And also, like, there's certain religious ceremonies that involved very mysterious things like Soma.
You know, Soma from the ancient Hindu texts.
They don't know what was in there.
They don't know what it was But it seems like it was some sort of a psychedelic compound whether it was a blue lotus and psilocybin Or a combination of many things, you know, like the illicit in mysteries where you know in ancient Greece They believed that that was ergot that ergot was mixed in with the wine ergot which is a very similar experience to LSD Oh, yeah There's a great book on that, too, if you've never read it.
It's called The Immortality Key by a scholar named Brian Murorescu, who's a brilliant guy who's been on the podcast a couple times.
But he's done a lot of, like, really legitimate work on...
Proving that these vessels, these wine containers that they had from these ancient times, they found trace elements of ergot in these wine vessels.
And they know that wine back then was not just fermented grapes.
I mean, it is literally what we were talking about.
Like, if you want something that accentuates compassion and this sense of family and brotherhood and sisterhood, that we're all together in this thing, what better than psychedelic drugs?
I think there's just a lot of people that recognize that.
What they did in the 1970s was very effective.
They threw water on the entire psychedelic movement and the civil rights movement and the anti-war movement, and they did it by banning a lot of these compounds that were changing the way people thought about life.
And, you know, like the whole peace, love and hippie movement of the 1960s was all inspired by psychedelic drugs, all of it.
And it was a revolutionary, complete change of society from 1950 to 1960. I mean, 10 years, things became, the music and culture became almost unrecognizable.
It could change so radically.
And I think it was terrifying to the powers that be.
And unfortunately, the propaganda that they pushed, just like the propaganda that we saw during the COVID. It sticks around for a long time.
And unless you have viable representations of opposing narratives that are really effective, it's very hard for people to change their perspective on things without a personal experience.
Well, that was one of the most fascinating things about COVID. When I was talking to Dr. Peter Hotez, who's an overweight guy who eats junk food, and he's telling me everybody's got to get vaccinated.
Yeah, I mean, the problem was also any sort of, I mean, this is Dr. Birx is now admitting this when she's being questioned, is that they stopped.
Any early treatments that weren't the vaccine and that they probably shouldn't have done that and that a lot of people could have been saved because of that.
And that's true.
And that's something that people need to – that's one of the best aspects of Bobby's book, Bobby Kennedy's book, The Real Anthony Fauci, is like understand like what pressures were put on these organizations to stifle and completely stop the prescription.
Use of a bunch of different things, hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin.
Also, the studies that were done on vitamin D deficiencies and how that impacted immune systems and just sunlight, exercise, diet.
All those things play a critical factor in how well your immune system functions.
The idea that the only way your immune system functions at its peak is you've got to stick a fucking metal pin filled with a solution that gets plunged into your tissue.
But you make a great point because it's like, you know, why didn't we hear from America's doctor Fauci or the other representatives from the medical industry maybe eat less...
Also, I want to know why you think the way you think.
If you think totally different than me, I want to sit down with you.
And I want to give you all the room in the world to say what You think.
I want to know how you came to those conclusions.
I want to know what your childhood was like.
I want to know, like, what experiences have you had that led you to have these, like, concrete evaluations of the way society is that are so different than mine.
You need to sit down with people that you don't agree with and find out.
And oftentimes they fall apart.
That's just the fascinating thing.
Give them enough room.
You just keep talking to them.
They fall apart.
One of the weirdest conversations I had on this podcast was talking to Dr. Sanjay Gupta from CNN. They sent him over here to fucking straighten me out.
And by the end of it, it was a very bizarre conversation.
By the end of it, he was essentially agreeing with me.
Well, he's smart, but he's also working for CNN, and he's also a neurosurgeon.
So he's a bright guy.
He's just captured by the system, and that's part of the problem.
But there was a lot of things that didn't make any sense, like one of the ones where he wanted me to get vaccinated after I'd recovered from COVID. Shouldn't that be the reason I'm already vaccinated, basically?
Yeah.
Well, I'd recovered from COVID in three days.
It wasn't hard at all.
And that's when I got hit.
That's when everybody came after me.
It was because I was a bad example.
Because I was healthy.
And I was giving people bad information by telling them all the things that I took to get better.
Which is really weird.
And then they focused on this one thing, which was ivermectin.
I read a laundry list of stuff that I took.
IV vitamins, NAD, ivermectin, monoclonal antibodies.
I talked about all the different stuff that my doctor put me on.
And I was better in three days.
And then what did CNN do?
They turned my face yellow.
They put a filter on the video to make me look sick.
And they started talking about me taking horse paste, which is crazy.
Yeah, you'd have to have, or some sort of a parasite.
That's why, you know, they said it was a dewormer, because it was anti-parasitic.
But when I said it to Sanjay Gupta, I go, but yes, but it's also been shown to stop viral replication in vitro.
And I said, you know that, right?
And you can see there's this look on his face like, oh, shit.
Because that's a fact.
They've studied viral replication.
You use ivermectin petri dishes.
It stops viral replication.
It's a fact.
There's studies on this.
Also, it's like one of the most safe...
Drugs known to man.
It's like the safety profile is incredible.
And this idea that like Rolling Stones printing articles that people are having overdoses from Ivermectin and people can't get into the emergency room because of gunshot wounds.
They even showed a photograph of a bunch of people outside of an emergency room.
Wearing winter coats in August because it was a photograph of people waiting in line to get a flu shot.
It was a bullshit photograph that fucking Rolling Stone published.
This is so wild to watch because it's not just propaganda.
It's really shitty propaganda because there's not much truthful they can say that would go against this stuff.
So they have to just say it's horse dewormer.
You're a fool.
You're taking horse dewormer.
But what they didn't understand is at the time, They didn't understand the media landscape.
They thought they were still huge.
But they didn't understand, like, an average video on my show was like ten times bigger than their show.
It's just we weren't talking about it.
We weren't saying it.
So they still thought they were CNN. They were going to crush this rebellion against this one specific thing that you had to do, which was get vaccinated.
You know, it's like you can concentrate on that or you can concentrate on how much cool music there is now, how much great comedy there is now, how many great movies there are now.
There's plenty of things to concentrate on.
It's like there's just the problem is there's a lot of people.
It's just we have to move closer to that somehow or another.
And whether Bobby Kennedy can help us along those lines and all these other people that are trying very hard to stomp out a lot of this bullshit that we've been experiencing for so long.
Well, the problem with that pre-pardon is he's pre-pardoned federally, but he's not pre-pardoned statewide.
These states can still sue him.
Not only that, when you're pardoned, then you can no longer plead the fifth.
So you could be held for perjury.
So there's a lot of issues with being pardoned.
I don't think...
Biden took into consideration or Fauci took into consideration either.
I think they just, he just wanted anything to protect him because he knew it was coming.
He knew that they had, I mean, just the emails that were available that showed collusion, where they, he had gotten a hold of all these different researchers and changed their perspective on whether or not it was a lab leak.
Because through EcoHealth Alliance, they had funded gain-of-function research after Obama had...
The idea is supposedly to study it, but if you're studying it and you don't have a fucking cure, You've been studying this shit for so long and you don't have a cure.
Like, what are you actually doing?
Well, you're doing weapons research.
You know, this is one of the things that Bobby's talked about with Lyme disease, you know, where they try to get him on Lyme disease, which is a very funny grilling.
They say, did you say that Lyme disease was a leaked bioweapon?
Those things, and he's talked about that, like even if it protects you from that one flu, it makes you many more times more likely to catch other things.
We're fucking around with complex systems inside human bodies with pharmaceutical drugs that have been...
The way they've studied them is filled with shenanigans.
They might do 10 studies and one of them shows effectiveness because they've rigged the study in a certain way.
He explained to me that the reason why they could say it's 100% effective was because one person got it in the vaccine trial and two people got it in the placebo.
So that's 100%.
You know, yeah.
One is 100% better than two.
Like, what?
That's great.
No, that's not.
100% means nobody gets infected, you fucking assholes.
That should be a law.
That should be a crime to explain things like that.
I had this guy on who was...
He litigated against pharmaceutical drug companies, particularly against Vioxx, when they released this anti-inflammatory medication, Vioxx, and some...
50,000 to 60,000 people died from it.
A friend of mine got a stroke from Vioxx.
This guy was saying that when you hear peer-reviewed studies, when they do a vaccine study...
Or a pharmaceutical drug study, they don't even give the peer reviewers the raw data.
They give the peer reviewers the data as it's been interpreted by the scientists who work for the pharmaceutical drug companies.
So they review it and then they give their version of it to these other scientists who are already on the payroll.
They're all NIH funded.
Everybody's together.
Everybody's all in the loop.
Everybody's dependent upon whether or not they're going to receive grants and funding.
It's all based on Based on Fauci, and that's how you find out whether or not something is good or bad.
It's all rigged.
And when he was explaining, I'm like, that can't be real.
And he's explaining to us, showing us how it works.
It's corrupt.
It's fully, completely, totally corrupt.
And if anything Bobby can do, it's make sure that we have valid studies, valid, real, peer-reviewed studies on everything.
On everything that people are supposed to be taking.
Let's find out what the fuck is really good for you.
Because it's not like all pharmaceutical drugs are bad.
A lot of pharmaceutical drugs help people, save people's lives, enhance people's lives, cure diseases.
There's a lot of stuff that's great.
Let's find out what it is.
What's real and what's bad.
And why are you profiting off of shit that's killing people?
And I also think things are going to get really weird with AI. I think with AI, and especially when AI gets attached to quantum computing, we're going to have an undeniable access to truth that's going to be very disconcerting to a lot of people.
We're going to have an understanding of the reality of the world that we live in that's going to be very undeniable.
And it's going to be strange.
And unfortunately, there's going to be a lot of propaganda that's with that, too, because, you know, a lot of AI is programmed by people.
So there'll be a battle of which AI is the most trusted and effective.
And then the real fear is that AI governs us, which is probably going to happen.
I mean, I don't look at individual presidents, because I just look at, like, overall, the presidents have to bow down and kiss the ring, no matter who it is.
Yeah, he was one of the main whistleblowers about that.
Yeah, there's, um, it's assorted.
Horrible history.
But Freeway Ricky Ross was, unbeknownst to him, was selling cocaine, funding this war.
And he didn't even know what was going on until he went to jail.
He couldn't read.
Went to jail, became literate, and then became a lawyer in jail, and then figured out that they tried him on the three strikes rule incorrectly, got out of jail.
And yeah, now he runs weed dispensaries in California.
Just constantly concentrating all these different cases where it's like, you know, corrupt DAs, corrupt prosecutors, corrupt judges.
It's like, you know, it's all over the place.
Like one of the guys that Biden pardoned was one of the people that was involved in that Kids for Cash where they were putting kids in detention centers just for profit.
There was a judge in Pennsylvania that was making millions of dollars through putting kids in detention centers and ruining kids' lives, causing suicides, deaths, a downward spiral of their life, like wrongfully detaining them.
He pardoned more people than anybody, which generally I'm a fan of pardoning people.
I think most people are incarcerated for far too long.
I don't think it rehabilitates people.
I think it probably makes them more hardened criminals in most of the cases.
There's a few cases where people...
Decide to take a better path in jail and educate themselves and learn and come out a better person I've met a lot of those people and unfortunately I've met a lot of those people from Josh Dubin that were wrongly incarcerated and then came out these amazing Incredibly intelligent really well-read interesting people because they dedicated themselves to doing that while they were in jail because they realized like I did not commit this crime I'm forced into this situation What can I do to make better of my life while I'm here?
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And it's also, it amplifies the worst aspects of our society, which is, like, shitty division.
It's like, shitty division is what gets a lot of clicks.
You know, partisan thoughts and attacking people, tribal thinking.
That's what gets the most clicks and that's what you see the most.
But there's enough exposing of actual legitimate corruption and information about what's actually going on in the world that I get out of there that it balances it out for me to the point where I'm willing to engage in it to a certain extent, but I don't do it at night.
And I don't do it when I think it's gonna, like, fuck me up before I go to bed.
I don't do it if there's anything I really have to concentrate on, because I don't want some new pathway to open up my mind where now I'm concerned about this.
A good show that gets spread around like how many different eyeballs will see it.
I mean, it really depends on how profound the person's revelations are, like what they're talking about.
Like, you know, like the biggest one we ever did.
Well, some of the Elon.
Well, I think the biggest one we probably ever did was Bob Lazar.
Is that number one?
So the Bob Lazar one, you know, Bob Lazar is.
Bob Lazar is the guy that in 1989, he did an interview with George Knapp in Las Vegas, and he said he was working back-engineering UFOs for the government.
And he has this crazy fucking story about working at Area S4, Site 4, and Area 51 in the Nevada desert, which at that point in time, the government would deny that Area 51 even existed.
And he's like, no, I work out there, and I was working.
Back-engineering propulsion systems from crashed UFOs.
And he was explaining how these things work and explaining how it's in some sort of a gravity propulsion device that works completely different than any propulsion device that we've ever devised and that they're trying to back-engineer them.
They don't know how to do it.
So they keep bringing in new propulsion experts.
So he was a guy that...
Previously worked at Los Alamos Labs.
And then he gets a job.
And they're essentially throwing as much shit against the wall as possible, trying to see what sticks.
Like, can you figure this out?
And they're bringing in new people.
And he was brought in apparently after – allegedly after an accident where they tried to cut into the reactor and it exploded and people died.
And so they said, OK, well, that's not going to work.
Let's try another method, bring in some other people.
And he was one of the people they brought in.
And when you have top secret clearance, what happens is they tap all your phones.
They listen to you all the time.
He had this job where he couldn't tell his wife what he was doing.
So he would get this phone call saying that he has to fly out to Area 51 at like 11 p.m.
So he would go to the airport, fly out, and his wife was like, this motherfucker's cheating on me.
So she starts fucking her flight instructor.
She's got some flight instructor.
And so because his wife was having an affair and they knew it from the phone calls, they thought that he was going to be emotionally unstable, so they removed him from the project.
So he gets removed from the project and he says, well...
I'm telling my friends.
So he goes to tell his friends, like, this is what I was doing.
I was working on these fucking UFOs.
They have actual UFOs.
That's the one.
That thing on the desk right there, that's the recreation of what he called the sport model that they worked on that has this flying saucy that's behind the antlers.
So he did the podcast, and I don't know what to think.
I don't know if he's telling the truth or not.
It's hard to know.
But he's told the same goddamn story for all these years, and he's obviously a brilliant guy.
He's obviously very literate in science, really understands what he's saying.
And many of the things that he said from that particular interview have been corroborated by other people, including his knowledge of Los Alamos Labs.
They tried to say he never worked there, but they found him on the employee roster.
And he knows the building.
He took people into the building.
He took George Knapp in there.
He knew the security guards.
He knew where to go, showing everybody around the place.
That's our biggest podcast ever because it's so fucking nuts.
There's an incredible – Jeremy Corbell did an incredible documentary called Bob Lazar, Area 51, and Flying Saucers.
And it's all about his experiences there.
And it's one of those things where you just – you don't know.
But it's – God, it's so weird.
It's like if this guy's telling the same goddamn story and then they have all these videos of these things that the go fast video and the FLIR video that the government's released that were covered in the New York Times and these crafts are exhibiting the same sort of behavior that he was explaining in 1989. Particularly in they fly like this but then when they want to go fast they rotate sideways and point whatever this gravity propulsion Whatever this thing is,
this generator, and they shoot this way, and take off.
So that video on YouTube got 60 million views, and then on all the other platforms, who knows how many, and all the clips, it's probably hundreds of millions.
Well, one of the more interesting stories is this guy.
This is Travis Walton.
This guy's got a little bobblehead.
Travis Walton was a guy...
I don't know if you ever saw that movie Fire in the Sky.
It was based on a bunch of loggers in Arizona.
And they saw this thing land.
And this guy, Travis Walton, gets out of the truck and goes to it and gets blasted by this...
Bolt of energy.
Collapses to the ground.
His buddies take off.
They're screaming in the car.
All these loggers are like, we've got to go back and get him.
We've got to go back and get him.
They turn around a mile later, go back.
He's gone.
He's gone for five days.
And then he shows up back in the town five days later with this fucking wild story of being abducted, taken aboard this craft.
They healed his body.
And then they communicated with him and then returned him.
And the thing about it is like all these experiences, these people talk about the exact same creatures.
They talk about the exact same entities, these things with big heads and large eyes and spindly bodies, and they're communicating telepathically.
It's like it's universal.
It's like over and over again.
It's a very similar story.
And the problem is if it happened to you, who the fuck is going to believe you?
It's a unique experience, a completely novel experience that only you have.
And then you have to go and try to make sense of it to other people that haven't experienced it, and they're going to think you're fucking crazy.
But if you have enough of these people that say the same story over and over and over again, which is if you read John Mack, he was a psychologist from Harvard that did a lot of hypnotic regression work with people that have had alien abductions.
Well, we got into very specific ways that people cheat.
It was pretty interesting.
He was talking to us about different ways that people have been busted cheating, different people signaling them in the room, moving to different parts of the room if they wanted the piece to move in a different area.
89, where Louis Pasteur stood before the French Academy of Science and said, I've realized the origin of all disease and it's the germ theory.
And he took credit for the germ theory, which of course had been around for centuries at that point.
But there was another guy named Antoine Béchamp who was actually a real genius, whereas Pasteur was a charlatan and basically stole all these good ideas that he never had from Antoine Béchamp, including how fermentation works.
How they had diseases in the grapes at the time.
So how to deal with that disease and also having to do with, you know, where they make the silk, like silkworms and stuff.
That also was another thing that Béchamp figured out.
And then, you know...
Pasteur, who was on the same committee, ends up reading these papers and basically kind of putting his own spin on it and getting credit for, you know, the fermentation, the soapworm, the wine thing.
You know, like each thing, he becomes more and more famous.
And until he's able to sit down in front of Napoleon in 1863, Napoleon III, he said, I will eliminate all disease.
I will eradicate all human disease.
He was an arrogant guy, and he was a complete fraud.
Isn't that a bummer?
And Pasteur believed the germ theory, obviously.
That's the theory that he pushed, right?
And then Beauchamp believed in the terrain theory.
Now, that's what I believe.
The terrain theory, the germ theory, obviously, a pathogen, a germ, a virus, whatever, lands in your...
Cornflakes are on your eyeball or whatever.
It gets inside you.
And then in this blank, pristine, blank slate environment, it causes damage, maybe sickness, and eventually death.
To me, I don't believe this theory as much as I do the terrain theory, which is that your health is dependent upon your internal biological terrain and your internal filthiness or cleanliness.
And so that's what I believe is where people's immune system gets messed up from what they're consuming.
And in a nutshell, that's why I believe in Beauchamp's theory as opposed to the germ theory.
I mean, we know for a fact that one of the main...
Factors in eliminating diseases in North America was when they started having hygiene and when they started having flowing water and sewage systems and that just having cleanliness.
I mean, most cities at the turn of the century were filled with filth.
I mean, during the smallpox epidemic, people lived Terrible.
They lived in filth when you had the various, like there's a bunch of different diseases that can be attributed to poor hygiene.
Poor hygiene, no access to antibiotics, no access to any kind of medicine.
And we all attribute that just to a disease broke out.
But why did the disease break out?
Well, the people who are living in filth, there was no running water.
They didn't have any sewage systems.
They didn't have...
They didn't have any sort of antibiotics, and including, like, when people talk about the Spanish flu, like, if the Spanish flu broke out today, we'd be fucked.
No, we wouldn't.
First of all, we have antibiotics now.
Spanish flu would be killed quickly.
The real factor was all these diseases that people were getting because of the infection that could be cured by antibiotics.
Getting scratched and scraped up, and you're on the ground, dirty mats, people come in dirty, and you can get an infection.
I've had staph twice.
You get staff, ringworm, a bunch of different things that people normally get on the mat.
But there's ways to combat that in a healthy, organic way.
And one of the best ways is the use of...
There's a bunch of different oils, tea tree oil and eucalyptus oil, a bunch of oils that don't affect your skin biome in a negative way.
But what they do is they protect you from bad diseases.
There's a company called Defense Soap, and I always recommend it.
I don't have any affiliation with them.
My friend Guy Sacco runs the company, but he developed it because a bunch of wrestlers and grapplers were getting skin infections.
And so he developed natural remedies that don't affect your...
Because a lot of times, guys would take, like, antibiotic soap, and they would clean themselves with antibiotic soap.
The problem with that is it kills all your healthy flora, all the skin flora that's healthy.
That gets torched, too.
It's taking a blowtorch to, you know, like a small patch of weed so you could just pluck out.
And instead of doing that...
He developed a soap that uses all these natural organic remedies that, you know, doesn't affect you in a negative way at all.
It's the only soap I use.
I use that soap every day.
And it keeps your skin healthy and it doesn't fuck it up.
So there's ways around it.
The real way is to prevent it, though, because once you actually get staph, especially if it's aggressive, you've got to take antibiotics or you're fucked.
Nootropics are essentially nutrients that contribute to cognitive function, building blocks for human neurotransmitters, acetylcholine, theanine, things along those lines.
God, there's people out there like Joel Salatin, who runs Polyface Farms, and Will Harris, who runs White Oak Pastures, who have educated these people and written books and gone on these tours and explained to people.
Will Harris, who's been on the podcast a couple of times, he spent 20 years changing his family farm, which was an industrial farm, into regenerative agriculture.
And you can see the difference in the soil.
We have two glass bottles of soil.
Soil out there, one from an industrial farm and one from his farm.
And his farm is dark and rich and filled with nutrients.
And the other one is just pale and dead and just covered in bullshit fucking chemicals.
Well, the real problem is we have so many people that need food and that we're reliant upon factory farming right now to a large extent because there's...
Enormous populations of people that live in a place where they grow nothing.
Whether it's New York City or it's Los Angeles, urban environments, they need food constantly shipped into them and no one's growing anything.
And the population keeps booming and you've got to get these people food.
And we right now are dependent upon factory farming for a lot of that food.