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Joe Rogan Experience #2276 - Felipe Esparza
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the Joe Rogan experience train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day good to see you my friend it It's been too long.
felipe esparza
What's up, boo?
Good to see you, too.
joe rogan
When was the last time I saw you, brother?
It was like five years ago or something.
felipe esparza
Five years ago?
And I did the show here when you were in L.A.? Yeah.
At the warehouse?
joe rogan
Damn.
That's what I miss most about the store.
Traveling dudes.
We'd meet up.
We'd meet up at the home base.
felipe esparza
Yes.
And when I was a young comic, I would see older comics that I would see on television.
They would just come hang out at that bar or the patio.
joe rogan
Just get a refresh.
felipe esparza
Yeah, and you pass by and you say, oh, that's...
Arsenio Hall.
That's Elaine Boosler.
OG right there.
You're like, what?
joe rogan
Right.
felipe esparza
I used to see her at Dodger Stadium when I worked at Dodger Stadium.
And I would ask her for advice.
And she was just, you know, like, every comic back then, just keep writing.
joe rogan
She was a funny comic, man.
She was a funny comic.
Who's that lady that was on Curb Your Enthusiasm?
She's very funny, too.
Old school comic.
God damn it.
I'm very embarrassed that I forgot her name.
She hasn't done comedy in a long time.
Look that up.
unidentified
Suzy?
joe rogan
Yes, Suzy Essman.
felipe esparza
Oh, Suzy Essman, their stand-up?
joe rogan
Yes.
Oh, she was great.
She was really funny.
I middled for her once.
In, like, fucking 1989 or some shit.
Way back in the day, my friend.
felipe esparza
Will you metaphor that lady?
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
Someplace on Long Island.
It might have been, like, Governor's or something like that.
I do not remember, but I remember she was very nice.
She was very funny, very nice, very encouraging.
Which is the best, man.
When you get to work with someone that you see on television and you're just starting out and they're nice to you, that's so valuable.
felipe esparza
I can't believe it.
There she is.
There she is.
Whoa!
She looked like Elaine from Seinfeld.
joe rogan
Yeah, similar.
felipe esparza
But that's the haircut back then, huh?
joe rogan
Yeah.
felipe esparza
Well, they all had crazy hair.
joe rogan
Everybody lost their mind in the 80s.
felipe esparza
Ally Lieberman?
joe rogan
Yeah, they all lost their mind back then.
Because, like, from the 70s to the 80s, nobody knew how to dress.
They did crazy shit with their hair.
felipe esparza
She's going over her stead.
joe rogan
Yeah, they would all tease their hair out.
It was crazy.
There was, like, a big hair thing.
I think it was when people started doing cocaine.
That's what I think.
I think it was the 80s was Miami Vice and cocaine.
Everybody lost their mind.
They lost their fashion sense.
People started to wear wacky clothes.
Cars started looking like shit.
felipe esparza
Yeah, man.
I love the Saab.
Pinto.
joe rogan
Bro, cars just started looking like shit.
I mean, if you want an objective analysis of what happens to a society when they remove marijuana and mushrooms and then they bring in cocaine, it's like, hey, you know what?
felipe esparza
It's called Ford Fiesta!
joe rogan
Yeah.
felipe esparza
Because we were a fiesta yesterday.
joe rogan
But cocaine brought a Sam Kinison, too, though.
You have to realize, cocaine's done some good.
felipe esparza
You think you did a lot, a lot, a lot?
joe rogan
No, no.
I think it's terrible for everybody who does it.
But I do think that there's moments of inspired creativity from all kinds of substances, especially that rock and roll cocaine that they used to get, where it was just real, pure cocaine.
It wasn't stepped on.
It didn't have amphetamines and fentanyl in it, all kinds of other shit.
felipe esparza
Good shit.
None of the stuff you buy, like, and grab and wrap with Iowa.
joe rogan
And I should say this as a person who's never tried cocaine.
felipe esparza
Never?
joe rogan
Never.
Never tried cocaine.
felipe esparza
Lying.
joe rogan
No, I would not lie.
felipe esparza
Never?
joe rogan
No, never.
No, I got real lucky.
When I was in high school, I had a buddy of mine and his cousin started selling it.
And he was a great guy.
And I watched this dude kind of like shrink into himself and lost a ton of weight.
And him and his girlfriend, they had this attic apartment.
And they would just hang out and do coke and sell coke.
And they would just like watch TV and do coke.
And it was like they got bit by a vampire, man.
It scared the shit out of me.
felipe esparza
I was afraid of cocaine, man.
Because when I started stand-up, like I started stand-up like in 94, 93 at an open mic.
And I was clean.
I was sober.
I was in rehab.
And I wanted to be a comedian.
So I went to a library to learn about writing, Jean Perrette, comedy writing, step by step.
Another book called How to Write Funny, Be Funny, and Make Money, Being Funny.
And that was a real great book, bro.
I mean, it had comedy clubs locations in the back, and it had booker numbers to submit your comedy.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, remember the Comedy USA Industry Guide?
felipe esparza
A hundred dollars.
unidentified
Yeah!
felipe esparza
Can you believe that shit?
joe rogan
Bro, I remember dudes used to take out full-page ads.
That's how you knew they were killing it.
When a dude would take out a full-page ad in the Comedy USA industry, I'm like, wow, he's got a full-page ad.
felipe esparza
I remember, bro, when...
Where I was looking for gigs in 2000, right?
And I remember this comedian named Shang and Dante.
joe rogan
Comedian Dante.
Yeah, I remember those guys.
felipe esparza
Those guys had a list, like a five-page list of comedy bookers' names, knack a number to call.
And the back of the page was, shitty bookers to avoid.
And they used to send it to the comics for like 75 bucks.
joe rogan
Wow.
I got lucky that I was in Boston.
And Boston had...
That was like the boom happened in Boston when, like, Stephen Wright got on The Tonight Show.
Everybody found out about Boston.
But it was already this, like, crazy...
There's a great documentary called When Stand-Up Stood Out.
felipe esparza
You have that guy on the show here.
joe rogan
I've had a few of those guys on the show.
felipe esparza
It was like a Chinese restaurant.
joe rogan
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Don Gavin was one of those guys.
Steve Sweeney, legends.
I still say to this day, they're some of the best comics I've ever seen in my life.
I've seen them murder harder than anybody I've ever seen in my life.
But it was just very regional, very local, and a lot of it didn't translate nationally for some reason.
Like Steve Sweeney.
In Boston, in front of a Boston audience, is the funniest guy that's ever lived.
And I'm not kidding.
I'm not exaggerating.
He would get, like, Boston accents and Boston attitudes.
It would be all a big part of his act.
And dude, it was murderous.
If you had to follow that, you were fucked.
You were fucked, man.
And they would do that to dudes from out of town.
It was the most ruthless, cruel shit they would do at Nick's Comedy Stop.
They would take these...
Assassins, these local assassins, and stack them one after the other.
It would be Kenny Rogerson, Don Gavin, Steve Sweeney, and then they throw up some headliner.
And this poor headliner is used to soft acts on the road.
He's used to being known for the guy who was on television.
Hey, folks, so I'm Mike, you know, the sitcom, and they try to do stand-up, but they were getting eaten alive.
felipe esparza
He's talking about nuggets.
The guys that were up there all coked out.
Oh, yeah.
Working the crowd.
joe rogan
They were wild boys, too.
They were big, like, football player-sized, wild, crazy drinkers and partiers.
And they were funny, man.
And so because there was this, like, love of comedy in Boston, they had all these comedy nights all over the place where you could make a living.
So you could be, like, a half-assed comedian like I was.
And, you know, you can make...
500 bucks a week, just hustling, just moving around.
That's what we all did.
So there was so many places that you could work and so many like little booking agents and like Like Western Massachusetts, you'd have to go out there.
There's these weird towns that are like liberal hideouts.
You know what I mean?
Like Amherst.
You'd get like Amherst gigs.
It was weird.
Like Amherst, Massachusetts.
felipe esparza
The other place, you got a B from there to pronounce it right.
joe rogan
Which one is that?
felipe esparza
The one is that you did for a steak sauce.
joe rogan
Oh, Worcester.
felipe esparza
Worcester.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, it looks weird.
felipe esparza
2010, I was doing Last Comic Standing there, and I got there a day early, and I hung out with a Boston comic.
I think his uncle is the guy that caught that was missing in action, the Irish gangster.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
felipe esparza
David Bolger is the comedian.
Yeah, and he was...
I said, yeah, man, we're performing Worcester, sir.
And then...
He took the joint.
He goes, no, bro.
Worcester.
Okay.
Thank you for telling me, bro.
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't want to say, hey, Worcestershire.
Nice to be here.
They would fucking kill you.
They're like, that's where the great Doug Stanhope is from.
felipe esparza
Yeah, Worcester.
joe rogan
Doug Stanhope started in Worcester.
felipe esparza
I love him.
joe rogan
He's the best.
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felipe esparza
I had a first comedy album, the one he did with Roaring or something.
joe rogan
Oh, the one where he did with music in the background?
felipe esparza
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was great.
That's a great album.
felipe esparza
There was a place like that, a Boston place, but not in a documentary, but Will Durst.
He's a San Francisco comedian.
joe rogan
Sure.
felipe esparza
He had a room like that called the Comedy Zoo or the zoo.
joe rogan
Holy City Zoo, right?
felipe esparza
Holy City Zoo.
unidentified
Yeah.
felipe esparza
And there's a comedian that came out of there that's a killer comic and he's still alive and he opens for me and he opens for Rob Schneider and Papa and he opens up for a lot of people.
Larry Bubbles Brown.
joe rogan
Oh, cool.
felipe esparza
And he's an old school guy.
After every joke, he goes, merr, merr.
But he did Letterman in 1992. And then he did it again in 2006. So he has a record for doing Letterman between 30 years.
joe rogan
Wow.
felipe esparza
But he's one of those comics that never left San Francisco.
joe rogan
There's a few of those guys that got trapped like that.
felipe esparza
Yes.
joe rogan
That were really good guys.
Remember that one guy in Chicago?
Fuck.
What was his?
Larry...
Larry Reeb?
felipe esparza
Larry Reeb.
joe rogan
Remember Larry Reeb?
He was a guy like that, like a really solid national act, but it was so Chicago, he kind of stayed around there mostly.
But he was like, every now and then, you'd find towns like that, you had like one murderer that lived in the town.
felipe esparza
Bob Marley in New England.
joe rogan
Yes, Bob Marley was the murderer of Maine.
And Robert Schimel was Arizona.
felipe esparza
I love Robert Schimel, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was the best.
He was the best.
He was such a good guy.
But he lived in Phoenix, and it was somewhere in that area.
I think it was Phoenix.
But for him, it was easier to get around the country that way, and he didn't want to be a part of it.
He was one of the first guys that I was like, oh, you could be a big-time comic and not have to leave your state.
You could get to a point where you could live in Oklahoma like Larry the Cable Guy does, probably.
Where does he live?
He lives somewhere like Georgia or something like that?
felipe esparza
I don't know.
jamie vernon
Where does he live?
joe rogan
Is that where he lives, though?
I don't want to give up his...
I'm not trying to dox him.
jamie vernon
He's like on the radio there.
joe rogan
But I think...
Yeah, he's definitely from there.
I just don't know if he lives there.
Probably shouldn't say where he lives.
But that dude is...
He could be anywhere.
It doesn't matter.
You could just go anywhere.
felipe esparza
I used to see his face when I go to El Paso comic strip.
And all the dudes you're talking about, they were all there.
joe rogan
Dude, I remember Josh Wolfe showed me a picture that he took when he was on stage, and they were doing...
It was like 60,000 people.
So Larry the Cable Guy was doing like 60,000 people, and Josh Wolfe's got his camera, and he's moving around on stage.
That is the craziest fucking thing I've ever seen.
That crowd is so insane.
That's how big that guy got.
felipe esparza
50,000 people, man.
joe rogan
And he was another dude that got hated on for no reason, other than his success.
It was like...
For some reason, everybody couldn't believe that you could say offensive things as a joke in a character all of a sudden.
And it coincidentally happened at the same time as him getting super huge.
It's like, you guys are just fucking haters.
felipe esparza
That's crazy how they start hating the character.
But not the person.
joe rogan
Well, that's the dice thing.
felipe esparza
Yeah, right?
Just like the guy with it.
They used to have that puppet in New York.
joe rogan
Oh, Otto and George.
felipe esparza
Yeah.
Greg Gerardo, when I opened for him back in the day, back in Addison Improv, he told me that he would say the nastiest shit, that puppet.
And this lady threw shit at the puppet, but not at Otto.
joe rogan
Bro, we were talking about it Tuesday night in the green room.
We were talking about how that puppet was kind of possessed.
And I'm not even bullshitting.
You know, Otto was out there.
Otto was out there.
I mean, he was out there.
Everybody, I mean, that dude partied.
He went hard.
And he was a genius comedian.
But he would get rides to gigs and say, pull over, I gotta check on George.
And he would, in the fucking side of the highway, he would pull over, pop the trunk, and check on the dummy.
felipe esparza
Wow, his buddy.
joe rogan
Weird, man.
felipe esparza
Weird, man.
Whoa, there he is.
joe rogan
Bro, someone stabbed that dummy once.
felipe esparza
Yeah?
joe rogan
At Dangerfields.
Some Puerto Rican guy.
The dummy was saying Puerto Rican jokes to this guy.
unidentified
And the guy fucking stabbed the dummy!
joe rogan
Stabbed the dummy!
felipe esparza
Was it a knife or a sharp bed spring?
joe rogan
A fucking knife!
felipe esparza
Or a sharp bed spring, bro.
joe rogan
Something.
Anything.
Whatever you got that you polished down to a point.
felipe esparza
You ever watch the Fabulous Miss Measel?
joe rogan
What's that?
felipe esparza
The Fabulous Mrs. Maisel is about a female comic growing up in the 50s on Amazon.
joe rogan
No.
Oh, Fabulous Mrs. Maisel.
felipe esparza
Mrs. Maisel.
Oh, she's Mrs. All right.
unidentified
I thought you were saying something in Spanish.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
felipe esparza
You ever seen Mousy Marcion?
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
I literally thought you were talking about a completely different show.
felipe esparza
Do you remember the ventriloquist that did a one-minute set on her show?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, so like Ventriloquist, now it's like, it's one of those things like with Carrot Top, he's like so successful at props that no one does props anymore.
But when we first started out...
Everybody did props.
There was like 10 guys on a lineup of 20 guys that have props they bring with them on stage.
Because sometimes it was really funny.
felipe esparza
Rusty Dooley.
joe rogan
Yeah, Rusty Dooley was great at it.
But it's like he owned that for whatever reason.
Because Carrot Top got so big using props, he's the only guy that still does it, that he kind of owns that.
And then with Jeff Dunham, he got so big at being a ventriloquist.
Like, there's no ventriloquist anymore.
When we were kids, there was always comedy ventriloquists.
There was like Willie Tyler and Lester.
Remember?
It was a fun thing.
You'd get the dummy to say fucked up shit, and then you'd go, I can't believe you could say that in front of these nice people.
And then George would be like, fuck these people!
He'd tell everybody to suck his cock.
felipe esparza
It was crazy.
Woody Woody in the hood.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But with Otto and George, it was a little different, man.
Because I think George...
I think Otto believed that George was alive.
I think Otto believed there was something about George that was different than him.
Like, he was not Otto and George.
He was just Otto.
And George only existed when George was there.
And it seemed like there was something going on with that.
Fucking fried his brain to the point where he was connecting with, you know, all kinds of energy that wasn't even there.
You know, he might have been out.
He was out there.
He was out there.
felipe esparza
I wonder if they smoke crack together.
joe rogan
I wonder if they smoke crack together?
Yeah, he probably made George smoke it.
felipe esparza
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's famous auto-crack stories.
That guy was gone.
But he was also brilliant.
Really funny, man.
Fucking funny.
In a comics comic, we would all sit in the back of the room to watch when he was on stage.
So there's a lot of those guys.
That are like real genius, but they're real eccentric.
And for whatever reason, the general public doesn't find out about them.
There's not like a good vehicle, at least back then there wasn't, for them to get out to the general public.
Like today, I would say an example of that is like Brian Holtzman.
felipe esparza
Yes.
joe rogan
Right?
Like Brian Holtzman, we've known forever.
He's always been a guy we all watched.
He was always the guy that at the end of the night, especially if something fucked up happened, like there was a plane crash, like someone got eaten by a lion.
felipe esparza
That's funny because you mentioned a plane crash because I was there when he did that joke.
I was in the back of the comedy store.
He said American Airlines is hiring And then he said I remember Who survived that airline And he said, fuck that.
Everybody says, how come they don't build a plane out of the black box or sit me next to the black box?
Sit me next to a fucking baby.
Baby survived.
Give me a hold of that baby, bitch.
joe rogan
A baby survived?
felipe esparza
Yeah, a baby survived an airline at the flight one time and he said, I want to hold that baby.
I want to hold somebody's baby in an airplane.
Just in case it goes down.
Because if a baby survives, I'm going to survive.
joe rogan
You have to see him say it.
I don't think we're doing it justice.
felipe esparza
I'm fucking it all up.
joe rogan
My favorite one was when Susan Smith got arrested for drowning her kids.
He goes, I heard those were bad kids.
I heard they sat that close to the TV. They didn't put away their blocks.
Those kids will not be missed.
The fun thing about Brian is if you know him, like in real life, he's like the sweetest guy on earth.
He's such a sweetheart of a guy, like super friendly to everybody, loves everybody.
Like he doesn't even have an enemy.
Like Brian Holtzman has no enemies.
He's always sweet and friendly.
And then he gets on stage and it's like he becomes like his version of George.
Yeah.
felipe esparza
I hung out with Brian Holtzman.
I hung out with Brian Holtzman and his mom.
In San Antonio, Texas.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
felipe esparza
Because we were doing the Latino Laugh Festival.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
felipe esparza
And he was the only non-Latino on the show, him and Darren Carter.
And, bro, there was all Latinos, bro.
Everybody was getting shit.
Johnny Sanchez pronounces his name like an American and somebody yelled out, it's Sanchez, fucker!
joe rogan
How did they say it?
felipe esparza
I don't know.
He said, my name is Johnny Sanchez.
And then somebody said, no, it's Sanchez with five A's.
Sanchez.
joe rogan
Oh, boy.
felipe esparza
So he got heckled.
joe rogan
He got heckled for saying his name in a non-Mexican way?
felipe esparza
Yes.
And then Brian Holtzman goes up there.
joe rogan
Bro, it's rough out in those streets.
felipe esparza
And Brian Holtzman goes up there and he said, He goes, this is not a comedy show.
Close all the doors.
I go, Border Patrol's gonna come in here and take care of everybody.
But this is after we were doing this taping, the taping Mencia shows up, does a guest spot on our taping, and goes long, really long.
Jeff Valdez looking around.
So then that's when Barry Holstein goes up and murders it.
He goes, man, I gotta figure out how to, how to, this immigration problem, man.
We got a bunch of U-Haul trucks, U-Haul trucks.
We go around to every Home Depot.
We got these people.
Yeah, we're hiring, bro.
There's lots of jobs.
Muchos trabajos.
Come on.
Get in the trucks.
We fucking take these trucks.
We drop them off in Tijuana, Mexico.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You have to see him say it.
felipe esparza
He starts screaming and shit.
joe rogan
But it's also like he's playing this bizarre, psychotic character that only comes out when he's on stage.
He's the most different when he's on stage.
felipe esparza
And he held his job, too, when he had a job.
joe rogan
He always had a job.
felipe esparza
That was the problem.
Blue-color guy.
joe rogan
That was the problem.
He never hit the road.
He stuck around the store.
Because, like I was saying, there's not a path for those guys.
Nobody wanted Brian Holtzman to open for them.
That's too weird.
felipe esparza
No.
joe rogan
He belonged at the store, and now he's found a crowd at the Mothership.
His shows at the Mothership, they're all sold out.
He's hilarious.
People come to see him, and he didn't have a path before.
He's too weird to put on a television show.
You really want to be in the room.
That's what it is.
If anybody is way funnier in the room, it's Brian Holtzman.
The discomfort, the weirdness, and the way he works around it when you're in the room is so fun.
felipe esparza
And every show is different.
joe rogan
Every show's different.
And he's always talking about new things.
It's really like he channels this fucking character.
He should be two different people.
He should be Brian Holtzman, the super nice guy, and then whatever the fuck his name is when he's on stage.
It's almost like he needs a second name.
Mitzi should have done that a long time ago.
Mitzi used to call Joey Fat Baby.
Do you remember those days?
felipe esparza
Yeah.
joe rogan
Someone has one of the lineups that they got from Jeff Scott on the lineup.
It's got everybody's name and then, you know, 15 minutes and then it says Fat Baby.
felipe esparza
Fat Baby.
joe rogan
She wanted him to be called Fat Baby.
felipe esparza
Weird advice sometimes, man.
The managers give you the clubs.
joe rogan
Terrible advice.
Can't listen to any of them.
I've never had one good advice.
felipe esparza
I was bummed out one time because, you know, you have to go back and forth, back and forth until they make you a regular.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
felipe esparza
And I was trying at the Laugh Factory.
And one time, Jay Masada, he told me, I don't see you making it, man, for another six to eight years.
joe rogan
Oh, boy.
felipe esparza
And then when I finally got last coming standing, I looked at him and said, Jamie, your advice was full of shit.
It took fucking 12. It took 12, not six.
But I was bummed out when he told me that.
I was like bummed out.
You know, you get bummed out, like you realize you put in all this work and it's like, you know, you can't be a regular here.
So you got to go back to these other rooms.
I talked to Brad Williams, and he said, fuck that advice, bro.
You know what he told me?
He said, he told me that I should get all the little people I can find in Hollywood.
All of them.
All the little midges, all the little persons, and bring them to the Laugh Factory.
And Jamie said, you can have the biggest little person show in all of Hollywood.
That was his advice for Brad.
So then I thought I was not feeling so bad after that.
Then I talked to Alonzo Bowden and he told Alonzo Bowden that he should put on shoulder pads and be a football comic.
So Joe, after hearing that, I didn't want to cry anymore.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
He had some terrible advice.
I think he was giving this advice to Todd Parker, who was telling him, it was either Todd Parker or Robbie Prince, two guys that I knew from Boston.
One of them was telling him, I think it's Todd, you've got to be Generation X guy.
This is what you're going to be, buddy.
You're going to be Generation X guy.
unidentified
So from Generation X, this is how I see the world, buddy.
joe rogan
Everything was as a generation X guy.
He was like, that's the worst advice I've ever heard in my life.
Why would I do that?
But people would have schemes for you.
But the thing is, they're just trying to help.
felipe esparza
Yeah.
joe rogan
But no one knows how to do it other than you, and you've got to figure it out.
No one can tell you.
felipe esparza
Yeah, they're outdated, too.
joe rogan
Like, who would have told Mitch Hedberg, wear sunglasses and sometimes turn your back to the crowd?
felipe esparza
No one.
joe rogan
No one.
Mitch Hedberg would be killing with his back to the crowd high on heroin.
All non-sequiturs for like an hour and a half.
felipe esparza
Did he have stage fright?
joe rogan
He was just crazy.
You know, brilliant.
You worked with him?
felipe esparza
You met him?
joe rogan
I met him.
I didn't know him well, but I knew him enough that it was a bummer.
When he died, I remember I was with Stan Hope.
felipe esparza
We were...
joe rogan
Filming something, and we found out that he had gangrene.
He got admitted to a hospital.
He had gangrene.
You're like, yo, gangrene fucking kills people.
Like, this is fucking scary.
And, you know, he just had a problem.
He just liked that heroin.
And he didn't want to stop.
Like, people wanted to clean him up.
He did not want to get cleaned up.
It's like, I am not interested.
felipe esparza
I did heroin one time, but I didn't show it up.
I just smoked it, but I was in Amsterdam.
joe rogan
Dude, it doesn't seem like anybody has a great old time with the rest of their life once they start doing heroin.
It's like cocaine.
It's the same thing.
I think there's probably moments of brilliance that have come out of heroin, though.
I definitely do when I think about 1960s music.
I think heroin and LSD affected a lot of rock and roll in the 1960s.
And cannabis for sure, too.
And probably mushrooms.
But, you know...
The thing that, it always kills you.
Like, everybody always, it always ruins everything.
They all died young.
Everybody, like, put Morrison, 27, Hendrix, 27. Although there is a wild conspiracy about Hendrix.
felipe esparza
Yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah.
felipe esparza
What did you hear?
joe rogan
That he was killed by his manager.
The conspiracy, there was one of his bodyguards, right?
Is that what it was, Jamie?
That wrote this book?
felipe esparza
How did he die?
joe rogan
I think he died of his asphyxiation from throwing up, you know, which is one thing that can happen to people that are doing drugs.
But the bodyguard, I believe this, don't hold me to this, but I believe the story was Hendrix was going to leave his manager.
His manager was mobbed up.
His manager was like a scary guy.
And his manager was making a lot of money with Hendrix.
Hendrix was trying to leave.
He's got the rights to the Hendrix catalog and he kills Hendrix.
So it's former roadie.
So the thing that's compelling about this is shortly after this, his girlfriend committed suicide, air quotes, by being thrown off a roof.
So they got rid of Hendrix and they got rid of his girlfriend, if that's what really happened.
So he was the benefactor, allegedly, of the guitarist's $2 million life insurance policy.
Two million dollars.
Okay, worth around $1.2 million in 1970. According to Wright, Jeffrey told him about the crime in 1971, a year after the 27-year-old Hendricks was found dead in a London hotel.
He said, I had to do it, Tappy.
Wright claims the manager said, you understand, don't you?
I had to do it.
You know damn well what I'm talking about.
We went round to his hotel room, got a handful of pills, stuffed them into his mouth, then poured a few bottles of red wine deep into his windpipe.
Hendricks was found dead at the Samarkand Hotel on 18th of September 1970. The cause of death was recorded as barbiturate intoxication and inhalation of vomit.
I can still hear the conversation Wright wrote of Jeffrey's confession.
See the man I'd known for so much of my life, his face pale, hand clutching at his glass in sudden rage.
Hendricks' manager died in a plane crash in 73. So this guy's dead that supposedly did this.
Listen, man, they did that back then.
They were gangsters.
There was gangsters running everything.
If there was a lot of money to be made, scary people moved in, and it became a real problem.
felipe esparza
Yeah, man.
Gangsters own a lot of stuff that a lot of people wouldn't want to own, like a gay club.
joe rogan
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
felipe esparza
Like in LA, they own all the gay clubs.
They were not raided because they were paying.
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But if you want to talk about something like that, would a manager kill a client for a life insurance policy back then?
Yeah.
felipe esparza
I read this.
joe rogan
They didn't even have DNA back then, man.
felipe esparza
I read this.
It's like crazy, right?
My mom didn't like Elvis.
She liked the Beatles, right?
And I asked my mom, how come you don't like fucking Elvis?
He's badass, too.
Oh, because Elvis said that I'd rather have kids with dogs than a Mexican woman.
And I said, when did he say that?
And he goes, he said it.
Then I found out later on when I went in a rabbit hole, it was a colonel.
The colonel spread that.
joe rogan
The colonel spread that.
felipe esparza
Because he wanted to keep him in America and not tour anywhere.
joe rogan
The colonel was an evil dude, man.
Yeah.
By the way, that Tom Hanks performance is fucking fantastic.
In that Elvis movie, where he plays the Colonel?
felipe esparza
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, when you see it, you appreciate how a guy can really become a different person.
He becomes this creepy manager guy, this manipulative, gambling, creepy manager guy.
I mean, it's fucking genius, man.
It's so good.
That's what's crazy.
You forget that's Tom Hanks.
You're like, oh.
But you really got a sense of the relationship that Elvis had with this dude.
Because those guys that get crazy...
There's famous, and then there's Elvis famous in the 1960s, and you don't even understand what that means.
No one understands what that means.
And he was the first one to be like that.
Imagine that.
felipe esparza
I know, man.
Imagine walking into a room, you just go, you want to kiss?
And they kiss.
joe rogan
Just imagine just trying to navigate life as a human being, and you're literally the most desired person.
To be around alive.
Like, you can't walk down the street.
People scream and they cheer and they run at you.
Women faint.
They cry.
And there's never been someone like that before.
That's what's crazy.
Because this is the first time you've seen a guy on television.
And he's on television shaking his hips.
And so they go crazy.
felipe esparza
No one's ever done that, huh?
joe rogan
No.
No.
You never had a pop star on TV shaking his hips like he's fucking?
Yeah.
unidentified
It was too much.
felipe esparza
Did they cover it up the first time?
joe rogan
I think they did something where they were upset at him because they didn't know he was going to do it.
I think it was like, I think he was actually going to get fined in some places.
Like, you weren't allowed to shake your hips like that.
Like, this is how crazy being Elvis was.
felipe esparza
Badass.
This is one video or picture of Elvis that I like, besides the one you have here.
You know, the rest hit.
When he's...
He's playing outside, an outside event, and he's wearing all black, and he's fucking young as hell, and the pompadour looking good, the blue eyes are shiny, and he's like, bro.
And everybody's fainting.
joe rogan
And there was no Elvis before Elvis.
That's what's crazy.
So he's like this one guy that becomes way more famous than any entertainer ever.
And then he's got an evil manager, and then he's doing pills, and then he's just living in paranoia, and the whole world don't make any sense.
Nothing makes any sense.
It can't make any sense.
You have no peers.
You have no one around you that's like you, no one around you that can understand you, and you're being protected by some guy who's, like, siphoning money from you.
felipe esparza
He was doing shit little gigs, right?
Like, he'll do, like, a two-hour show and then leave, go do another two-hour show somewhere else?
joe rogan
Well, I think he got into a financial bind, right?
Wasn't that a part of the movie?
And then he got that Vegas residency.
Bro, the Vegas residency is probably convenient because you don't have to go anywhere.
You know where you live.
You know where the gig is.
Like, Carrot Top seems to like it, but I don't think I could do that.
felipe esparza
Bro, if you're a musician, though, like Elvis, it's great.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
But even, like, comics can do it.
A lot of comics do it.
You know?
I just don't know about living in Vegas.
felipe esparza
I lose my mind being in the same place seven days a week, 14 shows.
joe rogan
The people that live outside of Vegas love it, though.
If you live in Henderson or some of those places, they're very, very nice places.
But you're still connected to this place where people go to get psychotic.
There's some weird energy about that.
Listen, this is not a knock on Vegas.
I love Vegas.
Look, I love New York City.
Ari fucking loves living in New York City.
I can't live in New York City.
I can't handle all that.
I gotta get the fuck away.
Some people love it.
Everybody can love everything.
But it just seems like...
It's like, Vegas is a uniquely crazy place.
People go there specifically like, we're gonna go to Vegas!
It's like, it's in the title of the state means craziness.
felipe esparza
You went to Vegas.
Every day, probably like 50,000 people show up.
joe rogan
It's every day.
And then you got rodeos coming into town and UFC fights coming into town and fucking concerts.
felipe esparza
Raider fans.
joe rogan
It's a fucking wild-ass town.
I love being there.
I just don't know if I could live there.
It seems like it's almost a little too crazy.
jamie vernon
So this is Ed Sullivan Show, 1956. This is the first time his hips show up on the screen?
It's ten minutes into this?
joe rogan
Yeah, he was wiggling his dick too much.
jamie vernon
That's all he was doing, though.
joe rogan
That's a lot, Jamie!
What do you mean?
That's all he was doing.
That's offensive.
jamie vernon
After this aired, they said they wouldn't air him from the waist down anymore.
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
jamie vernon
It's barely shown.
It's so crazy.
joe rogan
Bro, he probably had it.
Look, his big old dick keeps slapping at his jacket.
That's what it is.
Look.
If you see that side, back it up a little bit.
That's what the problem is, Jamie.
Look at that jacket popping up and down from his big old Elvis dick.
Look at it!
felipe esparza
He didn't assemble with it.
joe rogan
Bro, he's making his jacket pop with his dick.
I'm with the censors.
I'm with the censors.
Of course he had a big dick.
He had everything.
He had everything.
He had voice, talent, beautiful.
You think he's going to have a little dick?
felipe esparza
Hell no, man.
joe rogan
All those gifts?
felipe esparza
How tall is he?
joe rogan
I don't know.
He's probably at least 6 feet tall.
jamie vernon
21 years old there.
felipe esparza
21!
Wow!
How?
joe rogan
How can you manage that?
How can you navigate that at 21 years old?
felipe esparza
I know, man.
joe rogan
Bro, it's him and Michael Jackson.
These are the two case studies in people that got too famous.
felipe esparza
But sometimes I wonder, man, how would I handle that much success at that early age?
joe rogan
Bro, you wouldn't.
felipe esparza
I know.
unidentified
You wouldn't.
joe rogan
You would go crazy.
felipe esparza
How about you?
joe rogan
Crazy.
unidentified
I would've gone crazy.
felipe esparza
I would've been sitting with a big fucking cold sore.
joe rogan
Yeah, dude.
I got lucky.
My fame ascent was a slow drip.
You know, like over time.
felipe esparza
Oh, bro.
joe rogan
It was a slow drip.
felipe esparza
Mine was like that little mountain guy on The Price is Right.
And then stopping along the way.
Bunch of haters.
Fighting with other comics.
Coke here.
Hanging around at El Compadre's too long with Joey Diaz.
joe rogan
El Compadre's is the spot.
64 years ago today, more than 60 million people watched Elvis Presley perform on The Ed Sullivan Show.
60 million!
That's so crazy.
But that's how it used to be, man.
And that's why losing control of that is so devastating to mainstream media.
That was what it was.
When I was a kid, there was three channels, dude.
There was NBC, ABC, and CBS, and that was it.
And then all of a sudden there was Fox, and we were crazy.
Did you have a whole other channel?
felipe esparza
You had local channels too, though, in your neighborhood?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We definitely did.
Especially, yeah, everyone has local channels.
So you always had the local NBC news.
You need those.
felipe esparza
Somebody can play karate movies.
joe rogan
Yeah, we didn't even have cable.
It didn't exist.
You have to realize how nuts the world was when everything you watched on television was just television.
That's all you ever saw.
There's no cable.
So you have four channels.
You felt so lucky to have that fourth channel.
You got The Simpsons, Married with Children came on that channel.
Fox changed the whole...
In Living Color, changed the whole feeling of what a channel was.
It's crazy that Fox is now connected to conservative Republicans reporting the news.
But it's like Fox, when we were kids, was married with children.
It was like the Renegade shows.
It was The Simpsons.
There was a bunch of fun shows that were on Fox.
felipe esparza
Fun shows, man.
Living Single.
joe rogan
Yeah, but In Living Color, to this day, I say, is one of...
There's two of the greatest comics...
Like, Saturday Night Live always gets it for longevity, because it's crazy.
They've been around so long.
ACTV. But for, like, pure funny, for me, it's like In Living Color and Chappelle's show.
And I feel like you don't get Chappelle's show unless you have In Living Color first.
I feel like...
I feel like In Living Color broke open the door for chaotic sketches that were, like, really funny, man.
Wildly offensive.
Really funny.
To this day, like, there's a lot of shit on...
In living color that if you tried to do like in the height of wokeness like three or four years ago, bro, they would fucking call for your censorship.
felipe esparza
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
They will come for you.
felipe esparza
Especially when Damon Wayans and David Languier were doing men on film.
There's an episode where fucking the camera falls.
joe rogan
They gave it two snaps.
felipe esparza
Yeah, the camera falls on Damon Wayans and he becomes heterosexual all of a sudden.
And then David Linguero starts touching him.
He goes, man, get your ass away from me, man.
That episode.
joe rogan
How about when he played Handyman?
He played a mentally retarded...
felipe esparza
I love that one.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
felipe esparza
That's my favorite movie.
joe rogan
Yeah, a handicapped superhero.
felipe esparza
And he made a superhero movie about him.
Handyman.
He would fly like this.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, this show was wildly offensive, but so funny.
felipe esparza
Even Fire Marshal Bill, bro, you're making fun of a fire victim.
joe rogan
I was just going to bring that up.
felipe esparza
Let me tell you something.
unidentified
That guy's fucking whole face is burned off.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
felipe esparza
My daughter's a burned victim, by the way.
joe rogan
That's harsh, bro.
felipe esparza
That's what you'll get.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's wild that shows like that.
felipe esparza
That one, bro.
Ahead of its time.
joe rogan
Oh, way ahead.
Well, so was that other movie.
We were just talking about that.
Ace Ventura.
Ace Ventura.
felipe esparza
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yes.
When you find out that she's a trans person and the dick comes out and everybody starts throwing up.
First of all, I don't buy it.
Even if she hadn't turned to that photo again.
That's Shawn Young, right?
felipe esparza
That's Shawn Young, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, when she was hot.
So even if she had a dick, there's a lot of guys who'd be like, listen, nobody needs to know about that dick.
felipe esparza
Nobody needs to know about that, man.
joe rogan
That dick is between you and me.
felipe esparza
I remember one time it happened to me, bro.
I just looked at it and went, wow, that's a big-ass skin tag you got right there.
joe rogan
Skin tag.
Yeah, all those shows, like, I mean, what are the other great sketch shows?
Mad TV had some bangers.
Mad TV. There were some bangers on Mad TV. But it's another show that's like...
felipe esparza
Second City TV? I watched that growing up.
joe rogan
Kids in the Hall.
felipe esparza
Kids in the Hall?
joe rogan
Kids in the Hall.
Kids in the Hall was fantastic.
That was great.
You know, I was a Kids in the Hall fan, but I didn't really start watching it, like, really get into it until after I'd met Dave.
Like, I didn't know much about Kids in the Hall.
I knew it was funny.
I knew everybody said it was funny, but I don't think I'd ever even watched a sketch.
And then I became friends with Dave doing news radio.
And then I started really getting into it.
I was like, oh, that guy had a very unique, or still does, have a very, very unique sense of humor.
He rewrote, like, I don't know what percentage, 40% of, like, the lines on news radio, like, on the set.
He rewrites things all the time.
And he was always, like, coming up with a better way to do something.
Always had, like, a sense of, like, a pacing.
That's a totally different thing, man, when you're making sketches.
To be able to do that and do a lot of really funny scenarios that are unique, that's a very...
felipe esparza
It's hard to write the stand-up because we want to end it, huh?
joe rogan
Well, it's a totally different way of thinking.
Gillian Keeves is another fantastic one.
That, to this day, the problem with that show is it's got this amazing core fan base, but...
It's way funnier than the amount of people that have seen it.
It's way funnier, which is crazy because Shane Gillis is one of the biggest comics in the world.
felipe esparza
Yes.
He's funny as hell.
joe rogan
He's one of the biggest comics on earth.
He's selling out arenas everywhere.
felipe esparza
Yes.
joe rogan
But yet, people don't realize how good Gillian Keyes is.
There's the one where they do the OnlyFans dad.
It's one of the hardest I've ever laughed in my fucking life.
It's so funny.
It's so funny and so crazy, and because no one's telling them what to do, they're just doing what's funny.
And that's what got fucked up.
There were so many fucking nannies around everybody, telling everybody what you can and can't say, and so many subjects you can and can't cover.
You gotta stay out of the way, just like the managers in the early days.
felipe esparza
Yes.
joe rogan
They're telling you, Felipe, you need braids.
felipe esparza
Yes.
joe rogan
Braids, bro, with beads, and you talk about the beads when you're on stage.
You're like, what?
felipe esparza
You don't wear a suit.
joe rogan
Shut the fuck up.
felipe esparza
Get out of here.
I remember one time, bro, they told me to wear a suit, and I wear it, and I saw Joe Diaz wearing a suit, and I said, bro, you look ridiculous, huh?
Joe Diaz, he was wearing a beanie.
I remember I called him the Coca-Cola bear.
He got mad.
joe rogan
Suits are a weird move, but they're sometimes fun.
I've worn suits on stage before.
It makes you feel different.
It does.
It really does.
felipe esparza
Do you feel like you're going to change your posture?
joe rogan
No, you just feel like more of a motherfucking professional.
Bitch.
Look at this.
And a well-tailored suit.
Is it what you really want?
The kind, like, modern suits, you can move in them.
Like, they have, like, stretch to them, which is different than, you know, when I was a kid and I thought of suits, I thought of, like, you're handcuffed.
Like, you can't move good.
felipe esparza
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, you can't kick someone with fucking suit pants on.
You know, you can't move well.
felipe esparza
I know.
I always see Johnny Carson in his suits.
joe rogan
Yeah.
felipe esparza
Those two suits look tight as hell.
joe rogan
Well, it's just, the fabrics sucked back then.
Especially if you're a bigger person, you know if you lift weights or something like that if you have muscles The everything's gonna be constricted and tight and all fucked up.
It's not gonna fit good So suits now if you get a good one like I got mine made by David August They do them for the UFC and yeah, I've had to make a bunch of suits for me.
They're they're amazing They do it to your actual shape.
felipe esparza
I mean, I don't make fun of the other guys, but you're you're announcing You know you're a big muscle guy, but it doesn't look like you're coming out of that suit when you wear it looks real good on you Yeah, it's because they make it to your shape.
Then you go to Fox Force, man.
They're about to just come out.
They're like fucking orangutan, bro.
They're like Mr. Hyde.
joe rogan
Well...
You know, a lot of those dudes are bigger than me anyway.
There's a certain size that you get, like if you put the rock in a suit, it still looks ridiculous.
It's like, what the fuck are you made out of, dude?
First time I met him backstage at the UFC, and he had cowboy boots on, right?
Cowboy boots?
Yeah.
He don't even seem like a real person.
Like when you meet him in real life, you're like, what the fuck are you?
He's like a superhero.
Like you're seeing like a real live superhero.
And a super nice guy, man.
He came and worked out with us.
We all worked out.
Tony Hinchcliffe, Derek, Hassan.
We all fucking lifted weights together, hung out, got in the sauna, Shane Gillis.
We were all just chilling with The Rock, working out with him.
Like, no cameras, no nothing.
I was like, we don't have to post this.
Let's just have some fun.
It's like, fuck yeah.
He was cool as shit.
Cool as shit, man.
felipe esparza
Wow, that's amazing, man.
joe rogan
It was fun.
I enjoyed talking to him.
He's a good guy.
felipe esparza
I was in the airplane at the Delta, and I saw Jason Mamoa.
joe rogan
Oh, he's another one.
A little too handsome for me.
felipe esparza
And I just said, what's up?
No, I don't know how to meet people.
I always say, weird people.
I say, Jason!
I just said, Jason!
What's up?
And then I didn't know that we were sitting almost close together on the airplane.
Then he saw me again, bro.
Then I said, what's up?
And then I felt like I creeped them out again, man.
And then my wife was recording him, bro, recording him.
But I was on my phone.
He thought I was recording him, but...
joe rogan
I met him in a Whole Foods parking lot.
I met him in a Whole Foods parking lot in Woodland Hills.
I was going to pick up some groceries, and he was there too.
I was like, what's up, man?
felipe esparza
How you doing?
joe rogan
What's going on?
We were talking.
I think that was before he did Conan, which I still say to this day, the movie's not good.
Like, the Conan movie, it kind of falls apart, but...
The way it looked was amazing, and he played Conan, and he's the perfect Conan.
Like, that's what Conan would have looked like.
He wouldn't have looked like a bodybuilder.
No disrespect to Arnold, because he looked amazing.
But it's like Conan was just a big giant warrior.
And when he played that guy, what was the guy he played on Game of Thrones?
felipe esparza
Crackle or something like that.
joe rogan
I can't remember.
He was fucking incredible at that.
felipe esparza
He played with them.
joe rogan
That's Conan, man.
felipe esparza
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's Conan.
Someone needs to do a good Conan the Barbarian movie.
Go back and read the Robert E. Howard books.
The books are great.
It's this super depressed dude in like the 1930s.
felipe esparza
There he is.
joe rogan
Writes about this barbarian.
Yeah.
Khal Drogo.
That's right.
felipe esparza
There we are.
Two people I get mistaken by.
joe rogan
Bro, get a photo of him when he was Conan.
Jason Momoa as Conan.
Bro, he's the perfect Conan.
Right there.
That's what Conan's supposed to look like.
felipe esparza
That's how I'm supposed to look, too.
joe rogan
That's the perfect Conan.
That's the Conan you believe is real.
That's a guy throwing a sword around his whole life and fighting off dragons.
He's not a bodybuilder.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
He looks like that.
That's what it looks like in the book.
Like, that's fucking Conan.
felipe esparza
We're identical.
joe rogan
That's Conan.
I mean, the guy's still capable of playing this character.
Someone, please!
felipe esparza
Me!
joe rogan
I wish Quentin Tarantino was into Conan.
Quentin, if you're hearing me, please read the books.
Quentin Tarantino doing Conan would be the most epic thing of all time.
Could you imagine?
He would do it right.
felipe esparza
Or Beastmaster.
joe rogan
If he was into it, he would have to be into it.
I have no idea if he's into it.
But if he was into it...
felipe esparza
If Quentin Tarantino might do it...
joe rogan
Somebody should do it.
felipe esparza
It'll start with the ending.
It'll be like the ending of the movie in the beginning and confuse us.
joe rogan
Somebody should do it.
The books are great, man, because it's all from the mind of this tortured, depressed dude who winds up killing himself.
felipe esparza
It'll be the first time that you see a Conan movie with everybody saying the N-word over and over.
joe rogan
I don't think they had that word back then.
felipe esparza
I think if you want to do it right, they'll make one up.
joe rogan
I think if they really wanted to do it right, they should probably do it the way Mel Gibson did Apocalypto.
felipe esparza
That was a badass fucking movie, bro.
You felt that movie, bro.
joe rogan
Right, but you know what I'm saying?
Hearing the people say it, and the same thing he did with The Passion of the Christ.
They spoke in the language.
And it was all subtitles.
Like, they spoke in the language, so you were transmitted exactly how these people were sent.
You felt like it was real.
Like, Apocalypto, you felt like it was real.
Like, there was no English in that movie.
It is a blockbuster movie that is a wild action-adventure movie.
felipe esparza
That one was hardcore, man.
Passion of the Christ.
Yes.
joe rogan
There's something about being sucked into hearing the actual language of the people that would be doing this that's so much better than...
Because whenever they do Game of Thrones or something like that in another country, all of a sudden everybody has an English accent.
felipe esparza
Yes.
joe rogan
That's how they do it.
Instead of talking like an American, you can't talk like us because that would just throw people off.
unidentified
So you have to have some sort of a proper way of speaking.
felipe esparza
Kind of like the exorcist, man.
Like if the exorcist, the devil...
It would have had an Irish accent.
It would have been a totally different movie.
But the Latin accent, the whatever Latin language.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
Yeah, yeah.
felipe esparza
Yeah, yeah.
Fuck, yeah.
joe rogan
Exactly.
felipe esparza
You don't even know what the language is, but you're fucking scared.
joe rogan
Right, it has to be exotic.
You can't have the devil going, hey, you fucking piece of shit.
I'm going to fuck your eyeballs.
felipe esparza
You better get out of my garage.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't have the devil talking like...
Jerry Seinfeld.
felipe esparza
I speak in absolutes!
joe rogan
Yeah.
You can't have the devil with a whiny voice.
felipe esparza
Or a Boston accent.
joe rogan
That was the scariest thing about Mike Tyson.
His voice that was so easy to make fun of, and he fucking murdered everybody.
It was almost like he was begging you to make fun of his voice.
felipe esparza
Dangerous dudes.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was almost like he was begging you.
felipe esparza
You're like you, bro.
You're like one of those guys.
You're like, to someone that doesn't know you personally, you're like, try me.
joe rogan
No, I'm not like that at all, though.
I'm real nice.
felipe esparza
If I didn't know you and I saw you walking down the street and you're not Joe Rogan, I'd be like, okay, man, this guy's a good fight.
He's healthy.
Stay away from him.
joe rogan
I'm friendly.
That's what we all need, my friend.
We need friendly.
felipe esparza
But you've been friendly since day one, though.
I was talking to the driver, Rebel, about when you gave me that solo pipe.
And then you say you started using it because of butane.
joe rogan
Yeah.
felipe esparza
And I remember I was telling you that the reason it's called solo pipe is because you're supposed to use it by yourself.
But I remember I told everybody you gave it to me and everybody wanted to hit it.
And by the time I got it back, it was fucking hot.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I remember those things.
I try to stay...
I think if you're smoking a cigar, butane is the way to go.
You burn the end of it, but you don't want to keep doing it.
I feel like a certain amount of this is a chemical, no matter what.
That's a chemical.
You only want so much of that.
You really should probably have matches if you're going to smoke a cigar.
Matches?
Yeah, you should really probably have matches.
And I think if you're like a super cigar nerd, they do it even further.
They take cedar and they light cedar strips and they use that to light their cigar.
Those are super nerds.
felipe esparza
Cedar strips?
unidentified
What is that?
joe rogan
Cedar strips, dawg.
Pieces of wood.
They light little strips of wood and they light from pure wood, then they light their cigar.
There's super nerds when it comes to cigars.
felipe esparza
Oh, that's what that guy said in New York.
Give me some ember.
joe rogan
Give me some ember?
felipe esparza
Ember?
What is ember?
Fire?
Oh.
Oh, shit!
joe rogan
Yeah, so these guys, they take little cedar strips and they light them on fire and they light their cigar from the cedar strips.
So this way you're not getting any of the butane fumes.
I don't even know how much you would get.
I don't, you know.
felipe esparza
Get better later?
joe rogan
Yeah, sure.
You know how to work it?
felipe esparza
No.
joe rogan
Think back.
We're probably going to find out that every time you burn a lighter near you, you inhale like 10 times more than you're ever supposed to in your life.
We'll probably find something like that out someday.
It can't be so good to have convenient fire.
Fire that quickly means you've got some funky gases that you're burning.
You're burning some funky gases in the air.
felipe esparza
Oh, horrible.
Because I remember we're lighting a match and you get the ugly-ass fuel.
joe rogan
You know what's real bad?
felipe esparza
What?
joe rogan
Scented candles.
Scented candles apparently are not healthy.
Jamie, Google that.
Maybe I should say some scented candles.
Maybe there's a way to do it organically.
We should find out if that's true, too.
Because that would be a good thing to know.
Because I think there's some things in some scented candles that you're not supposed to inhale.
And when you're a person that likes to have candles, and who doesn't?
They're cool.
You want to have candles in your house?
That's dope.
Like candlelight dinner with a bunch of friends?
That's dope.
Right?
But I think it's the scented ones.
jamie vernon
It says it's the ones that are made from paraffin.
joe rogan
The ones that are made from paraffin are the problem.
It's a cheap byproduct primarily sourced from the refinement of petroleum.
So you're burning petroleum.
Paraffin is the most used candle wax worldwide, according to the National Candle Association, the major trade association representing U.S. candle manufacturers and their suppliers.
So it's all candles made from paraffin?
However, few studies on candle emissions or their potential effects on human health exist, and conclusions from the research are mixed.
There is no overall conclusion that paraffin candles either will or won't harm your health, says pulmonologist Dr. Sobia Farouk, a clinical assistant professor at the Cleveland Clinic Lerner College of Medicine.
But the risk may also depend on various factors including candle type and quality How often and how long you're burning it the airflow in the space where you're burning it your health status and more well These you either is not good for you or Or it's fine.
These are the options.
And it seems to me like there's a little gaslighting going on here.
Like, how could it be good for you to have petroleum burning in your house?
I want you to show me a study that's, like, measure the fucking air in the room when you have three candles.
Measure the air in the room when you have four candles.
Keep going.
Tell me when I'm gonna get lung cancer from this shit.
unidentified
Because...
felipe esparza
Wow.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Benzene, a known carcinogen, is another VOC released by paraffin candles.
Hawk added, long-term exposure to this chemical has been linked to blood disorders such as leukemia.
When inhaled, benzene can also be a respiratory irritant.
Which means it could probably...
Yeah.
Fuck.
felipe esparza
Fuck.
joe rogan
People think candles are cool.
felipe esparza
Oh, man.
joe rogan
But what is a candle that you can use?
There's got to be candles that are not bad.
felipe esparza
I hope all those candles that I've got in a massage parlor were safe.
joe rogan
New candle.
Oh, now.
Candles made from soy wax, beeswax, or stearin.
Coconut oil or animal fats are often considered healthier, but anything that is burned emits harmful particulates or chemicals, Evan said.
So these candles also release VOCs into the air.
It's just that paraffin wax is usually more polluting, according to...
Oh, great.
So they all suck.
The risk of toxic emissions is greater when candles are scented or dyed, which is another reason why paraffin-free candles aren't immediately in the clear.
This is because artificial fragrances have VOCs, including phthalates, which have been linked to learning and behavior problems, obesity, impaired development of the reproductive systems and more.
Evan said the unscented candle in the 2015 research also caused concerning concentrations of toxins, but had the lowest amount compared with its scented counterparts.
Yeah, by what ratio?
unidentified
I wonder how much lower.
joe rogan
Oh, the National Candle Association maintains that candles are safe for use in the home, a spokesperson said in a statement.
First of all, you can't totally say anything's safe.
Because I was dating a girl once and she burnt her fucking house down with candles.
That's exaggerating.
She burnt a wall in her house.
felipe esparza
What was she doing?
joe rogan
She just let her candles.
Burned down.
And something caught fire.
And it lit the side of her fucking bedroom hall.
Her wall was on fire.
She liked handles.
So they're not totally safe.
It's fire.
Fire's not totally safe.
Fucking lighters aren't totally safe.
You can't say it's safe.
You could definitely do something stupid with it.
You know what's safe?
Marshmallows.
felipe esparza
Marshmallows are safe.
joe rogan
It's not good to eat.
They're bad for your body, but they're fucking safe.
They're not gonna kill you.
felipe esparza
I'll let you burn them to make s'mores with a lighter and a fork.
joe rogan
You know what's supposed to be really bad for you?
Paper straws.
Paper straws have those forever chemicals in them.
See if that's true.
Otherwise, we'll have to cut this out without getting sued by the paper straw industry.
Oh, speaking of straws, right?
Everybody knows that paper straws came around because everybody saw that video of that turtle with that straw in its nose.
That's the only reason why we started looking at paper straws different than everything else, right?
felipe esparza
Paper or plastic?
joe rogan
Plastic.
felipe esparza
Okay.
joe rogan
Plastic straws came about.
Did I say paper?
Plastic straws came about because of that video of that turtle with the plastic straw in his nose, right?
Remember that?
felipe esparza
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was it.
felipe esparza
It was in the nose, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, deep, deep in the turtle's nose.
New studies found that 90% of paper straws tested contained forever chemicals.
Or PFAS compared to 75% of plastic straws.
So even plastic straws have those fucking chemicals in them.
But it's even worse for you to use paper straws.
Paper straws assessed by researchers at University of Antwerp, Belgium, were found to contain more forever chemicals per polyfluoralkyl.
How do you say that?
felipe esparza
Give it a shot, Philippe.
Polyfluoralkyl.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Substances or PFASs than plastic.
But all of them are bad for you.
What it's basically saying is that even straws, 75% of plastic straws have tested that they contain forever chemicals.
That's not good.
So all of it's bad.
We should probably abandon the idea of straws.
felipe esparza
I like McDonald's straws, the big fat one.
joe rogan
Here's what you don't want.
A metal straw and a Stanley and then fall on your face.
felipe esparza
Oh, fuck that.
joe rogan
Because people have done that.
felipe esparza
Idiots.
joe rogan
Well, listen, I've fallen before.
felipe esparza
Oh, you know somebody?
joe rogan
No, but I've fallen before.
I'm an idiot.
unidentified
With a straw?
joe rogan
No, I haven't, but I would imagine.
Just because you fall with a straw doesn't mean you're an idiot.
But people...
Got to be aware that that's basically a metal shank that's going to go right through your face if you trip.
You got to carry that thing if you're clumsy, like as if you're carrying a knife.
Move it away from your body.
Don't catch your body with it if you fall down and then stab yourself in the face.
felipe esparza
I know, man.
You wouldn't let your baby hold that while you're holding it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, why are you holding that?
You're not ready for that yet.
felipe esparza
You ain't ready.
joe rogan
Well, especially if you're clumsy.
Clumsy people should really know they're clumsy and be super careful with what they're carrying.
Are you clumsy?
felipe esparza
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
Don't carry a rake.
felipe esparza
I was outside over there going, I was holding that baseball.
And I'm holding that baseball and I'm looking at the werewolf and I'm thinking, I'm looking at my wife.
I bet you I could throw a knuckleball and make it right in the fucking werewolf's mouth.
You're going to fuck something up.
Sit down.
joe rogan
Yeah, don't fuck up my werewolf, bro.
That's one of my prized possessions.
And even if you could hit it, what does that prove?
Don't want to break the werewolf's teeth.
What are you trying to prove, Felipe?
felipe esparza
I still could throw a knuckleball.
joe rogan
Were you a good baseball player?
felipe esparza
Hell no.
joe rogan
No?
But you had a good knuckleball?
Or no?
felipe esparza
No, I was good at playing streetball with a tennis ball.
And I had a good junk on a tennis ball.
And we would put over a regular fastball.
And I had to make that shit.
Man, that was good.
joe rogan
Dude, we used to play stickball in the street.
That was fun.
We're kids.
felipe esparza
I don't get that game.
I Wikipedia'd the other day to learn how to play because they're having a stickball tournament in New York last week when I was there.
Yeah, that's the video I saw.
Yeah.
They were having a tournament.
Other veterans that used to play stickball in New York showed up to play.
joe rogan
Oh, we slid on concrete, bro.
felipe esparza
But I never knew the game because in LA we play over the line.
joe rogan
That's a good way to get a staph infection.
felipe esparza
Look at that, bro.
joe rogan
Sliding on concrete.
Good way.
They're getting pumped.
That looks like a guy who plays really good stickball.
felipe esparza
Terror squad.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a city thing.
felipe esparza
A rule stick, right?
joe rogan
When I lived in Jamaica Plain, which is a little place outside of Boston, we played that.
We should play stickball on the street.
People get mad at you, hit their car with a tennis ball.
It was stupid.
But kids are just always looking for something to do back then.
Now they're all online.
felipe esparza
I used to play crazy games growing up, bro, that I'm pretty sure kids don't play that anymore.
I used to play this game called Huevos, which is called Eggs.
We used to put a bunch of holes on the floor with your name on it, and then somebody would throw a tennis ball.
And wherever the ball lands in that hole, that person has to grab that ball and fuck somebody up in the back before they make it to the wall.
And that person you hit has to grab that ball and then hit people on the way back before they get to the other side of the wall.
And if you miss everybody, you get an egg on your little hole.
And once you get four of them, we all take turns fucking you up with a tennis ball while you're just standing there like this.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
felipe esparza
Yeah, there was no cable back then.
And we didn't want to join gangs.
joe rogan
I think you did.
felipe esparza
And we didn't want to read.
joe rogan
I think you guys had a softcore gang.
felipe esparza
We didn't have no Boy Scouts.
joe rogan
That's a crazy way to make friends.
felipe esparza
You guys ever play Suicide, though?
joe rogan
I don't remember.
How's it go?
felipe esparza
It's a handball court, a wall, and you throw a ball.
And there's five kids.
And you catch it.
But if you miss it, everybody starts fucking you up.
joe rogan
No, I never played that.
felipe esparza
So you make it to the wall.
unidentified
No, I never played that.
felipe esparza
Suicide!
Everybody stands by the wall and you throw the ball against the wall and you try to catch it.
And if you miss, they fucking jump you until you get to the wall with the ball.
joe rogan
Fuck that.
unidentified
You got videos of it, James?
felipe esparza
Oh my God.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
unidentified
Requires at least two players.
joe rogan
Can have as many as can be accommodated by the playing area.
But this is funny when they take a game like this and they break it down.
Like, these are the rules.
jamie vernon
We did play wall ball.
We called it wall ball.
joe rogan
Did you do it like that?
jamie vernon
It was honestly, yeah.
So if you fucked up, you'd have to stay on the wall.
People could throw the ball at you.
felipe esparza
There it is.
Right there.
They're fucking them up.
joe rogan
Wall ball.
Until the player touches the wall, they are open to be pegged, struck hard with a thrown ball by the player who caught it.
If a player comes into contact with the ball but fails to catch it, they are also open to be pegged.
jamie vernon
I mean, that's what it is.
It's a tough word to use, but that's what it is.
joe rogan
Getting hit by a tennis ball is a good thing to get hit by, though, right?
It sucks.
Like, if someone's throwing it, it sucks.
But it's not going to kill you.
felipe esparza
There's always this asshole kid that didn't like that kid that was going to get hit, and he'll put that fucking ball in a shitload of water and mud.
joe rogan
Oh, that's a problem.
He's cheating.
He can't cheat.
felipe esparza
Oh, also, remember, if that person that's supposed to get hit by the ball runs home, we'll fucking chase him home or beat him up in front of his mom.
joe rogan
Boy, that's why cable is important.
Yes, that's why the internet is important, YouTube.
We've got to keep people pacified.
felipe esparza
TikTok saved your life!
joe rogan
Imagine if it did.
Imagine if it saved a few lives.
People just at home scrolling instead of out gangbanging.
unidentified
You know, I mean, everybody gets addicted to it.
joe rogan
If you just don't go out and do terrible things because you're just scrolling and staring at your TikTok.
felipe esparza
I know, man.
I wonder if kids do shoplift for fun.
joe rogan
I bet they do.
You know, there's been, like, famous people that have been caught shoplifting.
I think a lot of people who shoplift...
felipe esparza
You shoplifted when you were little?
joe rogan
I did.
felipe esparza
You were hungry?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
I was just...
Dumb and young and I got caught.
felipe esparza
You don't do it now, right?
unidentified
No.
felipe esparza
Is it a UT opportunity?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
I did it like a couple times.
It was like candy bars and shit.
I was just hanging around with a bunch of bad kids and we would do that.
It was a thrill.
You'd go to a store and steal something.
And I think we probably did it two or three times and I got caught.
felipe esparza
I don't do it anymore.
joe rogan
I felt so stupid.
felipe esparza
I know.
But sometimes I'm walking around.
And I see like a pack of donuts.
But they're far from where donuts are.
They're by the shoe and they're open.
And I'm like, I'm all high looking at the donut.
Damn, you're lost.
joe rogan
Joey Diaz used to swipe lighters from 7-Eleven just to stay sharp.
unidentified
He had money.
He had money.
He would swipe lighters.
joe rogan
Just to stay on his toes.
felipe esparza
How you doing, brother?
I saw him do that while he's talking to the guy and he put his knickers.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's got some hand movements to distract you.
felipe esparza
I think that was a gay man that road commies would do, bro, on the way to a gig who could shoplift the most shit out of the gas station.
joe rogan
That's not good for our reputation.
That's not good for our reputation.
unidentified
What'd you get?
joe rogan
Power bars.
Traveling entertainers.
unidentified
What'd you get?
felipe esparza
Power bars.
joe rogan
Gas station food, man.
Those times when you're on the road and all you're eating is garbage.
felipe esparza
Hell yeah, man.
You gotta buy a grilled cheese there and put pork rinds in there from the package.
joe rogan
You gotta take a chance with the bean and cheese burrito that you microwave.
You have to open that strip of plastic.
felipe esparza
Those were good, though.
joe rogan
When you were hungry.
felipe esparza
Ramona's.
joe rogan
Every now and then, you've got good food at a gas station.
You're like, why doesn't everybody do this?
Sometimes you go to a gas station, and it's like a gas station, but it's also like a taco spot.
Fried chicken, cheeseburgers.
You're like, damn, that looks like a legit fucking cheeseburger.
Okay.
felipe esparza
Where am I? This place is dangerous here.
joe rogan
I mean, you would make more money, right?
That's what Bucky's figured out.
You go, whatever the fuck you want.
We got it, dude.
We got barbecue, pickled dicks.
Let's go.
We got eggs, cheese, milk.
You can buy a house.
You can buy a fucking sled.
What do you need?
You need fishing poles?
felipe esparza
You need a hamburger?
What else?
joe rogan
Yeah, you need a Yeti cooler and a Traeger grill.
We got those.
felipe esparza
We got a shower in a bag if you want a shower.
jamie vernon
They're making a Disney Buc-ee's and it's going to have rides.
joe rogan
You know, there's a lawsuit going on with Buc-ee's.
They're claiming that these people copied their logo.
jamie vernon
Which one?
felipe esparza
Chuckie's?
joe rogan
No, there's another spot that has another kind of an animal.
jamie vernon
Yeah, they do that with all...
They knock off...
Wherever that is, they knock off all sorts of stores.
I'll try to find that.
joe rogan
Is it in another country?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I think so.
joe rogan
Oh, I thought it was in America.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's in Mexico.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Oh, interesting.
Oh, Mexico loves to do that.
felipe esparza
Because there's a fake...
joe rogan
Oh, I've seen that.
No, no, no.
jamie vernon
I've seen that.
joe rogan
That's not it, though.
That's the fake Buc-ee's in Mexico.
Put that picture up again.
felipe esparza
Put that picture up again.
Oh, my God.
There's a fake In-N-Out in Mexico, too.
joe rogan
Oh, that's so funny, man.
felipe esparza
And there's a fake In-N-Out in California, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've seen the fake In-N-Out in Mexico.
There's a fake one in California?
felipe esparza
Yeah, it's called Easy Takeout, and I think they used to be...
Same uniforms, same stand.
Same burgers, but they just added a breakfast burger.
It's called Easy Takeout in West Covina.
joe rogan
Wow.
So they copied the logo?
jamie vernon
This is very similar here.
felipe esparza
Oh, Lucky's!
jamie vernon
Lucky's, but this is what the lawsuit is about.
Same city, Temple Lupus, Mexico.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
They even got a little gap in between it.
Bucky's knockout, Lucky's spotted.
felipe esparza
He's lucky to have two teeth.
joe rogan
But that's the one in Mexico, right, Jamie?
jamie vernon
They both?
I told you, they both are.
joe rogan
I don't think this other one is in Mexico.
I might be wrong.
jamie vernon
A month ago, two months ago, Bucky's taking legal action against Mexican competition.
felipe esparza
Shut up.
jamie vernon
It's the one thing that came up by, like, I was looking a little further.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Well, what was that animal?
That was like a...
The Bucky's is a beaver, right?
So what was that other animal?
It was the Lucky.
Who's Lucky?
Is Lucky a rabbit?
Like, what is Lucky?
jamie vernon
Lucky is also a beaver.
felipe esparza
Oh my god.
He has a pompadour, though, right?
joe rogan
Let me see.
Where's Lucky's?
What a bunch of dumbasses.
Oh my god, it is a beaver.
felipe esparza
What is it?
Oh, he's a raccoon.
joe rogan
Oh, it's a raccoon.
Oh, okay.
No, you can't do that.
felipe esparza
He's a mask, man.
He's a bandito.
joe rogan
Why can't you do that, though?
Why can't you have Harry's?
Or how about George's and have Curious George?
They could, you know, get together, a little franchise.
Curious George.
Everybody loves Curious George.
felipe esparza
Would that be okay?
joe rogan
Like, if they have George's?
felipe esparza
Would they get sued?
jamie vernon
They have a different lawsuit.
Let's see.
joe rogan
There is a different lawsuit.
jamie vernon
Superfuel's trademark infringement.
Let me see.
joe rogan
Could you imagine if, like, the owners, whoever owns the...
jamie vernon
Yeah, this is even...
This is a little different.
joe rogan
Whoa!
jamie vernon
Because it's like a...
felipe esparza
Oh, that's it.
joe rogan
That's the one I saw.
Superfuels.
So it's just they're saying it's because it's got a smiling animal.
felipe esparza
And the red hat.
joe rogan
See, I don't know.
I'm not on board with that one.
jamie vernon
I'm trying to see what they're trying to...
joe rogan
I'm not on board with that one.
I can't think that you could own the idea of having any kind of cute animal as a part of your logo.
That seems kind of ridiculous.
I don't understand copyright law, but doesn't that seem like a little ridiculous to you?
felipe esparza
Yeah.
joe rogan
What if it's a cat and you make it kitties and you have a cute little cat?
Are you telling me that I can't make a business called kitties?
jamie vernon
That depends where you're doing business at and how much of a copyright you have.
Is it nationwide?
Did you have an international copyright, which is really tough?
joe rogan
Right, but is that a copyright infringement if you have kitties?
jamie vernon
It depends on what...
joe rogan
If you're not doing the same business...
Imagine someone has a copyright to the ability...
I don't understand any of this stuff.
Clearly, I'm talking out of my ass.
But imagine if somebody has a copyright to just owning the ability to use a cartoon character in your logo.
That seems completely insane, doesn't it?
felipe esparza
Yeah.
But what's his name?
This is Comedy Club and Tommy Tease.
He used to have the Laurel and Hardy logos.
joe rogan
Laurel and Hardy?
felipe esparza
Yeah, and for his comedy club.
And he got sued by Bozo the Clown.
He owned the...
joe rogan
Bozo owned Laurel and Hardy?
felipe esparza
Yeah, the cartoon.
Anything that you put cartoon on it with Laurel and Hardy's face.
joe rogan
Imagine going back, watching Laurel Hardy.
Imagine showing somebody that had no idea about American culture at all.
felipe esparza
Yes.
joe rogan
Going back, and you show them Laurel Hardy, and then right after, you show them Chappelle's show when Dave plays the blind white supremacist that's black.
felipe esparza
Yeah, that guy.
joe rogan
But imagine!
Imagine seeing, like, what...
This is what comedy started out as, and this is comedy later.
That is a wild ride.
felipe esparza
Yes, man.
joe rogan
That's a wild ride.
The ride from Abbott and Costello.
felipe esparza
Yes.
joe rogan
Who's on first?
felipe esparza
Who's on for Eddie Cantor, bro.
joe rogan
Who's Eddie Cantor?
felipe esparza
Eddie Cantor was the first comedian to do radio.
And he was, because I have a history for Fools podcast, so I learned about the history of stand-up comedy.
Plus, I read that, I watched the documentary, but he was one of the first guys, but he was very clean, bro.
He sang, and...
joe rogan
Can we hear some of this?
We'll hear some of this.
felipe esparza
He was getting paid $500 for five minute shows on radio.
Yeah, he can't.
He was the first guy to have a radio comedy show.
joe rogan
I'm trying to hear what he's saying.
What is he saying?
felipe esparza
He's thinking.
unidentified
some vaudeville nonsense the dumb ones know how to make love Yeah.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
The dumb ones know how to make love.
That sounds like something Theo would say on stage.
I like them dumb.
felipe esparza
He'll be on the radio, bro, talking, and then he'll pinch the chicks.
In their butts.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
felipe esparza
Yeah, and then, like, they wouldn't say nothing.
Then finally a woman said something, Mr. Cantor!
And he had a fire.
joe rogan
Well, gotta remember, like, people back then were basically barbarians.
Yeah.
1920s people?
felipe esparza
Bro, back then it was...
joe rogan
It's World War I, bro.
felipe esparza
Back then, for a stand-up comedian, like, when I found out was...
Imagine you do a gig.
$200 back then, right?
And the promoter says...
The gangsters, I'm not gonna pay you.
And you don't get paid, and they'll call the cops.
You have three vagrants walking around downtown, and then you're three comedians walking around town with no hotel, no pay, and they're gonna pick you up for being a hobo now.
joe rogan
Yeah, you could get stiffed, for sure.
felipe esparza
But that was back then, bro.
That was a hard time.
Imagine from then to now.
joe rogan
Well, I think there's probably still a lot of shit games like that out there for a lot of guys that are coming up.
But it's just now there's more real gigs.
felipe esparza
Yeah, better gigs.
joe rogan
Well, comedy is more accessible because of YouTube and everything.
Comedy is just way out.
It's everywhere.
Everywhere.
Like your special.
Wow, tell everybody.
felipe esparza
Oh, I have a special right now.
joe rogan
What a segue.
felipe esparza
Yeah, I have a special right now on Netflix, Raging Fool.
We shot it at the Crest Theater in Sacramento, two shows.
My wife directed it and executive produced.
She executive produced all my specials.
We shot it with our own money, and we paid everybody, and then we sold it to Netflix.
We made a two-year deal.
joe rogan
Oh, that's awesome.
felipe esparza
So you did great.
joe rogan
I love the tracksuit.
felipe esparza
Yes, because of Raging Bull, because of Raging Fool.
unidentified
Got it.
felipe esparza
Because of Raging Bull.
joe rogan
I love the tracksuit.
It's dope.
felipe esparza
Because I was watching that movie, Raging Bull, and I was thinking that when Jake LaMotta had nothing left to do in his life, he had nothing how to make money, he said, you know what?
I'm going to be a comedian.
And I felt like, wow.
He had nothing else to do with his life, so he figured out, I'm going to do stand-up comedy.
Because that was the last thing, and for us, it was like the first thing.
joe rogan
Well, that happens with actors sometimes, too, when their careers kind of dwindle, they start doing stand-up.
felipe esparza
That happens.
You saw the movie, right?
Raging Bull, when he's doing stand-up.
And he's at a bar called Jimmy's Corner Bar.
And that boy's still there.
joe rogan
You know, Stanhope was friends with him.
felipe esparza
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, because that guy lived down in Arizona, where Stanhope lived.
felipe esparza
Oh, that's cool, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's got photos of him hanging out over his house and shit.
Yeah, Jake LaMotta was Stanhope's boy.
And that's a real story, man.
Jake LaMotta was a character.
felipe esparza
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was a wild fella.
A wild, crazy fella.
unidentified
And goddamn Robert De Niro nailed it.
felipe esparza
Nailed it, huh?
Nailed it.
joe rogan
I mean, nailed it.
Like, he looked like an animal when he was Jake LaMotta, like the younger Jake LaMotta.
felipe esparza
Did you fuck my wife?
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
He was so scary.
He was so scary because he was just out of his fucking mind and so dangerous.
And it was based on a real guy, man.
I mean, the movie is real close to how that guy was, Jake LaMotta, when he was in his prime.
He was a fucking monster, man.
felipe esparza
I like when he looks at his hands.
And he goes, he don't like his hands because they're not big, I guess.
He goes, I can never be a heavyweight.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
Isn't that crazy?
felipe esparza
Crazy.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
That's a different kind of human, man.
And back then, there was a lot of people like that.
This is, you got to go back and put your mind into what it must have been like to be Jake LaMotta growing up and like what?
So what year was Jake?
In his prime.
What year did he fight Sugar Ray Robinson?
Let's ask that.
Jake LaManna vs.
Sugar Ray Robinson.
felipe esparza
62?
59?
joe rogan
42. 42. 42. Okay?
Madison Square Garden, 1942. So you gotta imagine.
felipe esparza
Wow.
joe rogan
You gotta just put your mind into the type of people that lived back then.
I mean, like...
Cars were new.
Sewage was new.
Like, people had been coming over in boats.
Criminals were everywhere.
Crime was everywhere.
Organized crime was the rule of the law in all the Italian communities, the Irish communities.
You know, that was the thing.
felipe esparza
42, wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, this was just the United States.
It's like, you ever watch that movie Gangs of New York?
felipe esparza
Yes.
joe rogan
Fucking great movie, right?
That's a fucking great movie.
And probably...
Pretty accurate.
felipe esparza
Yes.
joe rogan
Roughly pretty accurate the way life was back then.
felipe esparza
Some of those gangsters that were in that movie were actually real people.
joe rogan
I believe it.
felipe esparza
Like that woman in that movie, I think you talked about it, the one who had to collect ears and put them in a jar.
joe rogan
Yeah.
felipe esparza
Yeah.
She was an actual real person.
She had a bar where people would just have a jar full of pickled ears and noses from previous fights.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
Jesus.
felipe esparza
And they'll have fights in the back with a mongoose fighting a dog.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Gangs of New York, man.
Because we don't think of New York that way.
You think of New York as like New York City.
Well, it was kind of dangerous in the 70s.
Then, you know, Giuliani cleaned it up.
And then, you know, it's pretty commercialized in a lot of ways.
It's still a beautiful city.
But New York...
During the time of that, whenever that film was supposed to represent, was a wild, crazy, almost like Wild West type place.
We think of those kind of scenes when you think of a Wild West movie, right?
felipe esparza
Yeah, the good, bad, and the ugly.
joe rogan
Yeah, you think of people getting stabbed and shot, but that was happening over there, too.
It's not like it never happened on the East Coast and they only did it on the West Coast.
It was happening in the whole country.
And they had just gotten...
I mean, these people had just gotten done with a fucking civil war, right?
felipe esparza
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because back then, you got to think, 1940, you go to like the 1860s to the 1940s, that's not that much time.
felipe esparza
No.
joe rogan
That's pretty quick.
That's 80 years.
felipe esparza
80 years.
joe rogan
A lot of those fuckers are still alive.
unidentified
Still alive.
joe rogan
Yeah.
felipe esparza
Same mentality, same craziness.
joe rogan
And then you got more immigrants coming in on boats.
No YouTube to watch, just a whim and a prayer.
Someone told them to come.
felipe esparza
I always think about that man like...
Jesus!
Yeah, her.
jamie vernon
She supposedly was real.
felipe esparza
She was Maggie.
Hellcat Maggie.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
felipe esparza
I think about when the Irish are coming in.
At the same time when that movie is happening, and they told him, you want a free meal?
You want to fight for your country?
And they give him a uniform, and their families go off to New York, and they go off to fight the South.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
felipe esparza
Just imagine coming out of the boat and somebody just hands you a gun and a piece of bread and go, go fight for America.
And I think about that, like, why are some hardcore people right there, man?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hardcore people.
felipe esparza
Different times, man.
joe rogan
Desperate.
felipe esparza
Yeah, and then people look old, older then than they do now.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, they look old quick.
felipe esparza
Yeah, like you look at a person's photo, and you go, how old is that kid?
He looks like 70. Oh, that's a 25-year-old kid working in a coal mine.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Working in coal mines, those people all got sick.
They all got fucked up.
I mean, that's environmental pollution that you're signing up for.
Like, you're gonna go breathe coal dust no matter what.
Everyone gets, they all get horrible fucking...
What is that black lung?
felipe esparza
Black lung.
joe rogan
That's terrifying, terrifying.
And then you've got people that just live around coal plants, and they're breathing that shit, and they're not even a part of that business.
felipe esparza
I know, man.
Wilkes Bar, Pennsylvania.
joe rogan
Bro, there's a place that we showed a video once.
It was, was it Indiana, Jamie?
Yeah?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So there's like three coal plants near this city, and these people, they can wipe their windshield, and they have black soot on their fingers.
felipe esparza
Shut up.
It just falls from the sky.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's in America.
So these people are for sure breathing that shit in.
felipe esparza
Pittsburgh?
joe rogan
Indiana.
felipe esparza
Oh, Indiana.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's scary.
That's scary.
And that's a fraction of what's going on in China, bro.
felipe esparza
Oh yeah, because when I was in Seattle, and I was waiting for the car to pass, I was going to my show, and I saw, it was like a mile train, and it was all coal.
Coal.
Real black coal coming from Minnesota.
And I asked the cop that was standing there, I go, I didn't know we still mine coal!
And he goes, well, we don't use it.
But it's all going to China.
unidentified
Really?
felipe esparza
Yeah, it was like a mile, bro, of coal.
And it had no cover on it.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
felipe esparza
And it was just falling off.
They say that, I don't know how much coal flies.
I don't know shit about coal.
But I just know what the guy told me.
There was a mile train of coal coming from Minnesota on that one line.
And there was a boat.
I could see the boat where it was going.
joe rogan
Wow.
And it's all going to China.
Yeah, they're full steam ahead with coal.
Someone should check to see if maybe they know something we don't.
felipe esparza
I know, man.
What are they producing with that coal?
joe rogan
They're doing a lot.
I mean, they produce so many of the things that we need, which is one of the craziest things that we all found out when everything got locked down is you couldn't get anything because so much of what you wanted was made in China.
Like, oh my god, or made in Russia or made in anywhere where they had to come in on a ship.
You know, like, that became a real fucking problem.
felipe esparza
I thought it was made in Akron, Ohio.
joe rogan
Yeah, they hardly make shit here.
In comparison to what we consume, we consume way more, probably, I would guess, than any country.
Of a similar size.
Yo, dog.
Still rocking the Samsung.
I love it.
I love when a comic holds out and doesn't go iPhone.
felipe esparza
Oh, no, man.
I like the bigger phone.
It has a little pen.
joe rogan
You like the pen.
felipe esparza
I love the pen.
joe rogan
You're one of those guys.
Which one is that?
unidentified
The...
Is that the S24? Yeah, that one.
joe rogan
S24 Ultra?
felipe esparza
Yes.
joe rogan
Is that the newest one or the one right before it?
felipe esparza
Right before it.
joe rogan
There's a new one that just came out.
It's pretty dope, dude.
felipe esparza
A year and a half ago, I think.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the old one.
That's the S24 Ultra.
I have that one.
That one's sick.
It does a lot of cool shit.
felipe esparza
Good videos, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's great at a lot of stuff, but the interesting thing is the AI. So what I like about it is...
I can go to a website, and if I open it up in the Samsung browser, and then I can say summarize.
And it'll summarize the website for me.
felipe esparza
Oh, they didn't know that.
joe rogan
Yeah, so if there's some thing that's taking forever for you to get to the point, because you want me to keep scrolling and scrolling and scrolling and scrolling and scrolling while you show ads all over the place, that's a trap.
So it'll just tell you, oh, there's an asteroid that might hit Earth within the next, you know, fucking 60 years.
Like, oh, great, there's a 3%.
What is a percent chance?
jamie vernon
Down to 1.5 today.
joe rogan
Thank God.
Only 1.5%.
felipe esparza
I take a picture of you, right?
And then do that one screen, and then I circle it, and it'll find a sweater for me.
joe rogan
That's cool.
That's really cool.
I think that's available on all phones now.
I think the new iPhone update has that as well, where you can Google search a thing, and it'll show you where to buy it.
felipe esparza
That's what my wife always wanted.
She wanted to have it where you're watching television.
And you pause it with your finger and make a circle and then it just ships to your house.
joe rogan
You know when people are going to be fed up with that thing?
When, first of all, you can only buy so much shit.
But second, what happens?
You know those glasses that they wear now, those metaglasses?
Have you seen this Harvard kid?
felipe esparza
Oh, the one that you can record now?
Yeah, I've seen those.
joe rogan
Some Harvard kid figured out how to use facial recognition software with that.
So he sees you, gets a photo of you, immediately gets a Wikipedia on you or whatever the fuck is available online, sees your Instagram page, finds your address.
And it was wild.
You're like, wait, hit the brakes.
felipe esparza
Sound like the T-1000 Terminator.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like, hit the brakes, hit the brakes.
But I don't think they can.
felipe esparza
Wasn't there a movie like that?
joe rogan
Yeah, there's been a bunch of movies.
felipe esparza
Yeah, Roddy Piper was like that, wasn't it?
joe rogan
Oh, They Live.
felipe esparza
They Live!
joe rogan
The glasses?
felipe esparza
Yes!
joe rogan
That was Aliens.
felipe esparza
I think about that.
Sometimes when you have a guest, you go, wait a minute, he's talking about those glasses from Roddy Piper?
joe rogan
Similar.
I think the Roddy Piper glasses, you put them on, you could see what everybody really looked like.
You could see through whatever energy field they were projecting.
There was these alien creatures that were pretending to be people.
And there's a lot of people that believe that now.
I'm less inclined to believe that, but I'm open.
I wouldn't want to get tricked.
I mean, if there really are people that are actually aliens that are amongst us that look like people and behave like people.
This is the guy who figured it out.
Try to say his name, Felipe.
Hit me with it.
felipe esparza
I-Cray.
joe rogan
What's the first one?
Right there.
Try that.
felipe esparza
Oh, it's...
It's Anfo Nguyen.
joe rogan
I think...
felipe esparza
And Kayan Ardofalo.
joe rogan
I don't think they say Nguyen.
I think they say Gwen, right?
Because there's been a few fighters in the UFC, Vietnamese fighters, that have that same spelling.
And I think they say it as...
Can you find out how they say it, Jamie?
felipe esparza
So it's Anfuguin?
Okay.
I can see it.
A little Dutch there.
joe rogan
And Cain Ardifio?
Ardifio?
Ardifio.
So they figured out how to do this.
felipe esparza
This is a making-up name now.
joe rogan
No, this is a real name, man.
jamie vernon
That just explains it.
Anybody can do it.
felipe esparza
My name is...
joe rogan
Can you scroll so we can explain?
How it's possible to do it today?
How to remove your information?
Oh, jeez.
jamie vernon
Literally, like the instructions.
joe rogan
So just showing how to remove your face from face search engines, which you're not going to be able to do eventually.
It's getting weird out there, Felipe.
felipe esparza
I'm going to walk around with a black face, green face, bro.
joe rogan
I had a friend of mine who came in here the other day, and he's down to a flip phone.
And his flip phone was interesting because it has Android on it.
His flip phone, you could actually get text messages on it, and you have a little tiny-ass screen on the flip phone where you can kind of clumsily type your way through a sentence.
So you don't have to do it with, like, a full keyboard like an iPhone or an earphone, but you also, it's inconvenient, so you don't text as much.
You don't go on these long-winded diatribes like a lot of people do.
It's just real simple.
felipe esparza
The whole screen is on there, but you've got to navigate all the way around to read everything?
joe rogan
Yeah.
felipe esparza
I remember those.
joe rogan
It's a tiny little-ass screen.
felipe esparza
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's got regular buttons to make phone calls.
And then on his little tiny-ass screen is a tiny-ass keyboard about that big.
And you get in there with that tiny-ass keyboard, and you try to type a text message, and you can push send.
And so it's inconvenient.
So you don't go on Twitter.
You don't check things out.
Get your text messages.
It can do other stuff if you absolutely fucking need it to.
But live your life, bitch.
And he was in here with that.
I was like, man, that seems cool, but I like watching YouTube on my phone, so I don't know what to tell you.
felipe esparza
That sounds like Larry Bubbles Brown from San Francisco.
joe rogan
Yeah?
felipe esparza
He still has a flip phone.
joe rogan
David Tell?
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
David Tell has a flip phone.
Yeah, you should see him text me.
felipe esparza
It's hilarious.
Do they both have the original phone numbers when you first met them?
joe rogan
No.
No.
They've all changed numbers.
You have to change every now and then.
It's, you know, you gotta purge.
Gotta keep moving.
felipe esparza
I think I still have my same phone number for the last 20 years.
joe rogan
Damn!
One of those dudes.
A holdout.
felipe esparza
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Sometimes that's good, but it gets annoying sometimes.
You know, it's all in, you gotta manage your time.
felipe esparza
You change your phone number a lot?
joe rogan
Nice people.
People I trust.
You've got to manage your time.
The thing about a guy like you is you're headlining, you're on the road, dudes want to open up for you, you've got the Netflix special, they want to hang out with you.
You've got to manage your time.
Because you can't give your time away to everybody.
There's a certain amount of time you need for yourself.
If you don't have that time you need for yourself, you go off the rails.
You've got to take time to re-center.
All the time.
All the time.
And if you're constantly getting this and that, you're constantly interacting, you're never alone, you're never without your shit.
felipe esparza
Fighting with people?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I get in a sauna and I stretch out every day.
I get down there, I fucking stretch everything out.
When you're doing that, you can't do anything else.
You can't be scrolling on TikTok when you're stretching everything out.
You gotta just go through your routine.
And then that clears my mind.
And I feel like if you don't make room for that...
You're gonna fuck your life up.
And I know that there's only so many people that I can entertain and help with stuff.
There's only so many people that are just, it's a transactional kind of a conversation you're having with them.
It's not fun.
It's not like, what's up, dude?
Hey, what's up?
Those are great.
But then there's a lot of, could you do this?
Would you do that?
Will you fly to here?
And you're like, hey.
Enough.
You know?
So you gotta like, Know when to change your number.
felipe esparza
What time do you get up?
joe rogan
It depends.
Most days, 8. I was up at 8 today.
felipe esparza
8 is good.
I tell you, I'm going to throw in like, my bro, I get up at 5 every day.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't think that's necessary.
It's the thing that people always want to do where they want to show themselves that they have the discipline to get up.
I respect that.
Like, Jocko does that.
You know Jocko Willink?
No.
Jocko is an amazing dude.
Former Navy SEAL, who is one of the most inspirational guys I know.
And he writes books on leadership, just brilliant guy, has an excellent podcast, solid dude, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt.
And he, like, every morning he takes a photo of his watch that says 4.30 a.m.
felipe esparza
Oh, I've seen that guy.
joe rogan
Every morning when he's waking up, you get his shitty Iron Man.
I shouldn't say shitty because they're fucking durable as fuck.
There's little Iron Man triathlon watches.
Oh, it looks like you got a new watch.
That's a new watch, Jocko.
You can't fool me.
I know your old watch.
Go back to the old watch pictures.
Look, so it's every day, 4.30, his fucking watch.
Sometimes 4.14.
Takes a photo of it, and then he works out.
He's just a legit dude.
felipe esparza
Wow, that's dedication.
joe rogan
So that's him, though.
He likes doing that.
He likes doing that.
But he's not a comedian.
You know what I'm saying?
I think for a comedian, you can't be that rigid.
You'll get a little psychotic.
You can't be that rigid.
You gotta have discipline, but you also gotta have fun.
So I don't get up at 4.30.
Get the fuck out of here.
First of all, I'm up until at least midnight almost every night.
felipe esparza
Me too.
joe rogan
I get, like, most of my best, like, writing done and my best ideas when everyone in the house is asleep.
So when everyone in my house is asleep and I'm up, I like that.
Because I'm like, oh, cool.
Everybody, I don't need, nobody needs my attention.
Now I can concentrate.
And I get my, I can't concentrate when people are in the house.
I feel like I should be hanging out and having fun and being with everybody.
I don't want to lock myself up in my office.
But that's the only way to write.
But for me, it's like late at night is where it's at because everybody's asleep and the world feels creepy.
You know, at night the world feels kind of dangerous and fucked up and stupid.
It's like, you know, when you worry about war in the middle of the night, it's like 1 o'clock in the morning and you're in front of your computer and you're writing something on Microsoft Word and you're genuinely worried about war.
felipe esparza
Yeah.
joe rogan
Genuinely worried that decisions that people are making in this country are going to one day come down on us with holy...
unidentified
Terror.
joe rogan
One day, just in the middle of the city, just BOOM! Some fucking thermonuclear device that levels a place four times the size of Hiroshima instantaneously.
I think about that kind of shit late at night.
felipe esparza
How do you make that funny?
joe rogan
I don't sometimes.
Some of it's not funny.
But there's funny things attached to it.
There's funny things attached to just the way we behave.
There's nothing funny about the potential for complete annihilation of the human race.
But there is something funny about this desire that we have to keep doing the same things we've always done and hope that somehow or another we get it right this time.
We're on the verge of war all the time, and there's got to be some way to stop that other than funding more war.
There's got to be a better way to stop that.
felipe esparza
That's funny you said the verge of war.
When you first started doing stand-up comedy, there's been a lot of verges of real wars, huh?
joe rogan
Yeah, the first war, when I was...
So when was Desert Storm?
felipe esparza
Desert Storm or Desert Shield.
joe rogan
Which one was which?
We had this conversation the other day.
felipe esparza
The other shield was with Norman Schwarzkopf.
joe rogan
So that's Iraq, and that's like 2003?
felipe esparza
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right.
The one I'm talking about is Desert Storm, which was like 1990?
Was it 1990, Jamie?
jamie vernon
They're the same?
joe rogan
Yeah, but the first invasion before we pulled out with George W. Bush in Iraq?
jamie vernon
Iraq invaded Kuwait on August 20th, 1990. Yes, I remember that one, yes.
joe rogan
Okay, so when Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990, then we went to war with Iraq, and I was living with my friend Jimmy, and we were sitting, Jimmy DeTilio, shout out to Jimmy, we were sitting in our apartment in the living room, and the war was on TV, and we were like, holy shit, man, we're at war.
I remember thinking, this can't even be real.
felipe esparza
It just happened at night, right?
We started watching the air raids.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it started as Desert Shield, and then when we started going after Ham was Desert Storm.
felipe esparza
Yeah.
joe rogan
And what year was that?
jamie vernon
That was just like a year later.
joe rogan
It was 91. So Desert Shield was to protect, and Desert Storm was to destroy.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it was dropping off troops.
joe rogan
Bill Hicks had the best material about that.
felipe esparza
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
His material about the war was great.
They have such sophisticated weapons.
How do you know?
We got the receipts.
We love to arm puppet dictators and then fuck them up.
You know, it's like, you know, it's like Clint Eastwood movie.
Pick up the gun.
You know, it's like Dirty Harry.
felipe esparza
I tell you, I know what you're thinking.
joe rogan
Yeah.
felipe esparza
I'll fire four.
joe rogan
Tell you the truth.
I kind of forgot myself.
felipe esparza
My favorite one is The Unforgiven, man.
When that guy's crying, could he kill somebody?
unidentified
He goes, that's what happens when you kill a man.
felipe esparza
You take away all he ever wanted and all he ever had.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That movie was the best Western movie, I think, ever.
Like, of that kind of Clint Eastwood genre.
That was almost like he was coming back to update it.
You know?
Because he had all the bangers.
unidentified
You know?
joe rogan
Good, the bad, and the ugly.
A fistful of dollars.
Like, incredible.
felipe esparza
Outlaw Josie Wells.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, Outlaw Josie Wells.
That was another level, too.
But then it's like...
Unforgiven was the one where it really gave you a sense of what it must have been like living in the Wild West.
It was just the people were more real.
It was more updated to the movies of that era, like the Morgan Freeman character.
It was a fucking great movie, man.
That's a great, like, Western movie and just a hard story, man.
felipe esparza
I like that line when he goes in there to get those people that killed Morgan Freeman.
You just shot an unarmed man!
joe rogan
Yeah.
felipe esparza
He should have armed himself.
joe rogan
Yeah.
felipe esparza
If he's going to decorate his place with a friend of mine.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was a hardcore movie, man.
That was a hardcore movie.
felipe esparza
You saw the...
joe rogan
But isn't it funny that we always want to think about that kind of shit happening out west?
We don't want to believe that that kind of same shit was happening out east.
There were animals everywhere.
Animals.
Animals.
People were animals back then.
They were barely human.
felipe esparza
Hang them high.
joe rogan
Can you imagine if we had to do fucking stand-up in 1820?
Can you imagine?
First of all, you're getting sick everywhere because there's no sewage.
So everybody's just got shit in the streets.
Everywhere you go, you're breathing shit fumes.
You're stepping in shit everywhere.
felipe esparza
That's what I think about now.
When I watch those movies now, like Gangs of New York, I looked over and said, man, it fucking stinks out there.
People are ignoring the fucking stink.
There's a rotting body right there.
joe rogan
Bro, it probably was so rank, they didn't have anywhere to get rid of their shit.
felipe esparza
And I read that the little napkin that they had on the big white wig people, they had a little cankerchief, and they would just carry it, bro.
And they would have perfume on it.
They would put it in their nose so they wouldn't have to smell like the poor people.
joe rogan
Well, it wasn't just that, man.
It was the shit in the streets because they didn't have cars, so they had horses.
The horses would shit all over the roads.
felipe esparza
And nobody had a job picking it up yet.
joe rogan
Oh, dude.
jamie vernon
One job was someone would just put down, like, a handkerchief so you could walk over it.
joe rogan
Oh!
unidentified
Just fucking clean it up, you lazy bitch.
felipe esparza
And throw in, like, shit water out of a...
Look at this.
jamie vernon
That's all shit.
joe rogan
Imagine breathing that every day.
There's no way that's good for you.
unidentified
You think scented candles are bad for you?
joe rogan
Imagine the people that lived back then hearing us complain about scented candles.
Whoa.
Poop once flowed freely in the streets of New York.
Look, that was a poop pipe that would go right down the street.
Jesus Christ.
felipe esparza
Oh man, when I was at my grandmother's house in Mexico, they still had an outhouse.
They didn't have no plumbing.
joe rogan
Bro, isn't it interesting because this is a terrible way to live that people insisted on doing it this way?
jamie vernon
I was thinking the day that they figured it out, you'd be like, oh my god, what the?
joe rogan
But imagine, because you had to figure it out to get it to where it is now, right?
So people had to go through that to get to the Manhattan of today where it's all super sophisticated, amazing hotels, amazing restaurants.
But why would you stick around?
Have you breathing in shit every day?
felipe esparza
Every day.
joe rogan
You go live on a farm.
I'd be like, fuck this experiment.
This is terrible.
This is not for us.
This is for the benefit of people in the future.
We're destroying...
felipe esparza
Soil men.
Who carted away of America's waste.
joe rogan
Bro, you know how sick people must have been back then?
No antibiotics.
Everybody's breathing in shit.
You fall.
You slip.
You skin your knee.
Your knee gets infected with staph.
You die.
felipe esparza
You got shit in your knee.
jamie vernon
That's what it says.
People are gagging as this cart would walk by.
felipe esparza
Oh, God!
joe rogan
On a summer day in 1873, a cart stood on 6th Avenue in New York City filled to the brink with raw human waste.
The cart was uncovered, its contents exposed to the air and to the passersby who retched and gagged as they scurried away.
Excrement dipped off the sides of the cart and the sidewalks and gutters were smeared with the stuff.
The stench was so strong that it could be smelled Bro!
Here's the thing, man.
This is after the Civil War.
felipe esparza
Yeah.
This is 1873. And you're in Italy reading books talking about the streets are made of gold.
unidentified
Night soil.
jamie vernon
Night soil.
joe rogan
Yeah, they used it for fucking...
I mean, they used it for compost, right?
It was a name euphemistically given to human waste because it was removed from the privies under the cloak of darkness so that polite society would be spared from confronting its own feces as the men carted the crap away, leaving a trail of stench in their wake.
Every year in cities across the country, thousands of carts brimming with excrement rattled through the night streets.
There was an antiquated solution to a modern problem.
America's cities were full of crap.
So the people were just throwing the shit in the street.
Yes.
jamie vernon
How much could those guys get paid?
joe rogan
It's not possible.
unidentified
Shitty.
Shitty.
joe rogan
They got paid shitty.
felipe esparza
What a shitty job.
joe rogan
Imagine being at a bar.
jamie vernon
Imagine.
felipe esparza
Let them in.
jamie vernon
And barrels.
joe rogan
You're getting a horse-pulled wagon filled with shit.
That is so crazy.
So living back then was hell, bro.
We're so lucky.
And that's how they're going to look at us.
These future beings that no longer have war, that no longer have greed or anger, these future beings that are connected to the hive mind, they're going to look back at us like Felipe and Joe.
unidentified
We're living like idiots.
felipe esparza
Dunk, I bet.
joe rogan
One of the dumping grounds was a field near the White House where a marsh of Washtonian waste putrefied under the president's nose.
This suggests that this may have been a contributing factor to President Harris's untimely death in 1841 since the White House water source was a mere seven blocks downstream.
felipe esparza
Oh, shit water.
unidentified
They killed the president with shit water.
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
felipe esparza
He died of dysentery.
joe rogan
Bro, this is why you can't trust that the experts are looking out for your health.
They didn't even protect the president.
Somebody concocted this idea, and they never even thought about the potential for ruining all the water that people drink.
They just said, this is a good place to dump all this.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Nasty.
People are so nasty.
felipe esparza
Oh, man.
I have to think about...
joe rogan
That's so nasty.
felipe esparza
And condos back then were probably still sheep's wool, right?
joe rogan
Sheep's skin.
felipe esparza
Sheep's skin?
joe rogan
Yeah, like sheep intestines.
felipe esparza
I saw a movie where a woman, a guy, a woman, she was washing the contraceptive.
joe rogan
Yeah.
felipe esparza
Right after all this white wig, guys threw it at her face.
joe rogan
Wow.
felipe esparza
So she's using the same one for every man.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
jamie vernon
I gotta read this.
joe rogan
Oh, Christ.
jamie vernon
So they didn't have, even by 1880s, two-thirds of flushing toilets still just went into a backyard cesspool?
Read this part here.
joe rogan
Overflowing privy was a sight to behold.
In James McCab's 1882 account of New York Street Life, he described one man's yard in which the privy's contents drained down into a street sewer, forming a miniature loathsome Niagara of night soil.
felipe esparza
Niagara!
joe rogan
The cascading sewage flowed right by the window so that a man sitting on a chair at the window would not have only the odor.
Also, the views of this loathsome matter circulating at his feet in the pool below.
Yeah, see, this is why everybody was so sick.
This is...
felipe esparza
Probably the start of the plague.
joe rogan
Well, also, like, there's no fucking...
No one's clean.
Cholera outbreak, 1849. Yeah, I would say that is the biggest breakthrough ever in the controlling of diseases.
The biggest breakthrough is sanitation.
jamie vernon
I was just thinking about, too, using these words dumping grounds in this time period, too, this is the same time those bones were dumped in the East River with who knows what else.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's not enough vaccines in the world to protect you when you're living like that.
You know?
Imagine the pharmaceutical drug companies would try to sell you if you were living like that, and they figured out...
How to counteract all the different things that you're inhaling in the air from human shit.
felipe esparza
They're so nasty, man.
joe rogan
So nasty.
They killed the president, bro.
felipe esparza
Imagine him waking up in the morning.
Good morning, everybody!
joe rogan
I'm glad you just said that about dumping bodies because this is a thing I need to send you, Jamie.
I'm so glad you brought that up because I read this.
I don't want to fuck this up.
I want to figure out what the fuck this actually means.
Here, I'm going to send this to you, Jamie.
It's about liquid human remains.
felipe esparza
Liquid human remains?
joe rogan
Yeah.
So, with this article saying...
Whoa, it's like an Instagram thing.
That being fed back to the population via fertilizer on crops?
That?
felipe esparza
So he's making pozole with people?
joe rogan
I hope it's not true.
felipe esparza
Making menudo with people or what?
joe rogan
I don't know.
It sounded like they were using it for fertilizer and using people for supplements somehow or another.
How they're saying you're boiling down a human body.
felipe esparza
Are they compensating the family?
joe rogan
I don't know, but...
Also, there's no DNA. So what did you need the body for?
The whole body's DNA. Like, what are you saying?
There's no DNA? So what did you...
You broke it down to chemicals, so now it's okay?
So you broke the human body, the container of a soul, down to chemicals, and you're going to pour it on your flowers, and that's okay?
That seems weird.
felipe esparza
No, it's not made up.
joe rogan
It seems weird.
Like, what do you...
How the fuck...
We should find out how the fuck they do it.
Is there a video we can watch on them doing it?
felipe esparza
And how do they liquefy them?
Hot water?
joe rogan
It said hot water and something else.
They added some other stuff, too.
But whatever, man.
What the fuck?
Is this it?
jamie vernon
Five years ago.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
The most eco.
Let's listen to this.
Can't we?
felipe esparza
No.
Do they put them in there alive?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Felipe, these are dead bodies.
They're just cooking them.
Cooking them up nice.
And that's what they get, like little bones and pieces.
felipe esparza
Well, I want to be cremated, but if that's an option...
jamie vernon
You're just talking about it.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you don't want your body being resold as fertilizer.
It's just weird to pour dead people on top of your fucking carrots so they grow better.
felipe esparza
Sprinkle me.
joe rogan
What are they breaking it down to?
What are they breaking the human body down to that's valuable for them to do that?
Like, what is the stuff they're looking for?
Let's find that out.
First of all, we don't even know if it's true.
jamie vernon
I wouldn't take that as true.
I wouldn't even believe that.
How would this...
joe rogan
Can you Google and see if there's other stories that say that...
Okay, I'm not pushing you.
jamie vernon
I gotta read.
joe rogan
Oh, I understand.
Whatever it is, it seems like you're supposed to leave people alone when they're dead.
Okay, we're supposed to be different than everything else on the planet.
We love each other more than we love anything else.
You can use monkeys for experiments, but you can't use people.
jamie vernon
Some states allow the remaining liquid with its peptides, sugars, amino acids, and captured carbon to be reclaimed and repurposed as fertilizer.
joe rogan
Yo.
Yo.
They're turning.
Do they have to tell you, like how do they have to tell you if you're going to buy a haunted house?
Do they have to, you know, if there's a house where someone killed his whole family in it?
felipe esparza
Yeah.
joe rogan
They have to tell you that.
felipe esparza
You see that oak tree?
That stuff.
Joe Diaz, by the way.
joe rogan
What?
felipe esparza
No, they're making them to soil, right?
joe rogan
Oh, right, right, right.
felipe esparza
So you see that old tree right there?
joe rogan
We use Joey Diaz.
felipe esparza
We use particles.
That's right, cocksuckers.
joe rogan
Do you think they have to tell you, though, that you're buying dead people fertilizer or they just consider it chemicals at that point?
How do they get away with selling you dead people?
Because it seems like if you had the option, hey, do you want manure or dead people?
jamie vernon
It's been around for a long time.
joe rogan
Whoa!
Patenton in 1888. They've been boiling people and turning them into fertilizer since the 1800s?
felipe esparza
So we have that machine, but not no fucking sewage.
joe rogan
Wow.
jamie vernon
I'm trying to find out where they say that they've used it for other stuff.
joe rogan
But the scary thing is them saying that they use it for calcium deficiencies.
Because that means you're feeding people other people's bones so they can get a source of calcium.
felipe esparza
But that guy's vegan, so don't give it to him.
joe rogan
Maybe it's okay because the person consented.
felipe esparza
Yes, true.
jamie vernon
Cremation social, it seems like a solid place.
joe rogan
So body plus 95% water, 5% alkaline, basic chemicals, either potassium hydroxide or sodium hydroxide or a combo, sterile effluent, water, salt, sugars, amino acids, peptides, bone fragments, calcium phosphate.
So that's what they get out of it.
So they boil it down in this solution and they get out all these different things, water, salt, sugar, amino acids, peptides, and then calcium phosphate.
Guess what do they do with the calcium?
So if you're buying calcium and you find out it's from dead people, they should probably let you know.
You probably should have to let people know that.
felipe esparza
I drink dead people.
joe rogan
You would sell a lot if you made it from dead people for sure.
Like if you had a skull and crossbones on the bottle.
There's a lot of assholes who'd buy that.
felipe esparza
But then people start looking at that like they'd look at chicken.
How was he raised?
What kind of parents did he have?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, for sure.
Yeah, if you're really into...
felipe esparza
Do they have anxiety problems?
joe rogan
Are you really into eating someone?
What if they were a fucked up person and you take a little bit of their soul inside of you and you go insane?
unidentified
Bro.
felipe esparza
Be crazy, man.
joe rogan
Well, that's got to be what's happening with the cannibals when they get that disease and they get shaky.
The prion disease that they get from eating each other.
felipe esparza
Did Jeffrey Dahmer have that?
joe rogan
I don't think so.
I think you have to eat spinal tissue.
You have to eat brain and spinal tissue.
And they're called prions.
The thing about prions is you can't even boil them.
If you cook them at like a thousand degrees, I think, for like hours, it doesn't kill them.
felipe esparza
If you ever get invited to a restaurant, they tell you you're just a human being, would you eat it?
joe rogan
No.
Why would I eat a person?
felipe esparza
Or they tell you after, man, you just ate a...
joe rogan
Well, I'd be really mad.
felipe esparza
Decompose acrylion body that we made into chicken.
joe rogan
Yeah, I wouldn't like that.
Would you like that, Felipe?
felipe esparza
Hell no.
joe rogan
Yeah, it would be weird.
felipe esparza
Need more salt, please.
joe rogan
Remember that movie Soylent Green?
Do you remember that movie?
felipe esparza
No.
joe rogan
It was an old-timey science fiction movie.
But people were being fed Soylent Green, and then this guy figures out that Soylent Green is made out of people.
And they're serving people like this fucking protein biscuit that's made out of humans.
felipe esparza
Oh, that sucks.
joe rogan
Yeah, but there's people that would do that.
felipe esparza
Is that the old movie, right?
joe rogan
There's people that would do that.
felipe esparza
Do they end with a woman boiling a foot?
joe rogan
Oh, I don't remember that.
Maybe.
I don't remember.
It was a long time ago.
I just remember the premise of the movie.
I probably haven't seen that movie in 20 plus years.
felipe esparza
I saw one where a guy was called a microwave massacre.
joe rogan
Microwave Massacre?
felipe esparza
And this guy murdered his wife.
joe rogan
In a microwave?
felipe esparza
No, he cuts off her pieces and microwaves the body and makes lunches and he takes them to work every day.
joe rogan
Wait, this is a real guy?
felipe esparza
Real movie.
joe rogan
Wait a minute, a real movie or a real person?
felipe esparza
It's a real movie called Microwave Massacre but probably based on a real guy.
And he would take food that he made from people he murdered and they would eat it at work and when they finally caught him everybody at work was throwing up.
joe rogan
I think there was a woman who You got caught eating her husband and serving him to the neighbors.
felipe esparza
Wow.
joe rogan
How much do you have to hate that dude?
To serve him to you?
How much do you hate your neighbors?
Say, I'm going to watch these motherfuckers eat my husband.
I'm going to cook it up nice.
Cook up that ass cheek.
felipe esparza
I hear you really like my husband.
joe rogan
You're going to love this dish.
This is his favorite.
Jesus Christ.
felipe esparza
I made a console man for him, too.
joe rogan
A nice bone broth.
Good for the soul.
Yeah, so that's where that shit comes from.
Prions.
They're scary.
That's mad cow disease.
That's what cannibals get.
It's a very sketchy disease.
And there's another one right now that deers have.
It's called chronic wasting disease.
Same kind of deal.
It's a prion disease.
And deers are getting it, and they froth at the mouth and drool, and their body shrivels up.
Very creepy, man.
felipe esparza
You can eat those?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
You can?
Because there's no crossover to people, but I wouldn't suggest it.
I wouldn't recommend it.
I mean, I wouldn't...
The thing is, you can test, and you can find out if your deer is okay.
Like, you can shoot them and then test them, and then you know you're good to go and you can eat the deer.
But if it tests positive, it hasn't jumped from animal to people.
It's only an animal.
But what it does to animals is so grave.
Why would you take that chance?
This is how I feel.
Why would you take a chance of consuming an animal that literally has the plague inside of it?
Because for deer, that's the plague.
These deer, I mean, they're not even...
See, with people...
A disease like that would spread like wildfire, right?
With deer, they're out in these big, giant, open areas, and yet still, it's spreading from their saliva onto leaves.
And then other deer pick it up.
Yeah.
It's super fucking contagious, and it kills the shit out of them.
And if that jumps to people, that's a real problem.
That's a real fucking problem.
Because I don't know if they have medication that combats it in deer.
I don't know what research they've done in trying to figure it out.
But I know it's such a problem that there's a lot of places where they're killing extra deer just to try to keep the populations lower so they don't interact with each other as much and so they don't catch it.
From giving it back and forth to each other.
felipe esparza
And people have this right now?
joe rogan
No humans have it yet.
But I think chronic wasting disease has been...
It used to be one type of deer.
I'm not sure what deer it started out with.
It might have been mule deer.
But it's in a lot of white-tailed deer in America.
And apparently it's made its way into other ungulates.
Like I think it's in elk.
And I think they might have even found it in moose.
It's scary shit, man.
Because it's basically a zombie virus.
It turns you into a fucking skeleton and you waste away.
Yeah, it's horrific.
And it's probably some of it came from farms.
Because they think that that's one of the ways that it's spread.
Like, there's a lot of deer farms that do a great job.
They're very ethical.
So if you wanted a property and you wanted your own...
Private hunting property, and you wanted to put a high fence up, take care of the ground, put food plots in there for the animals.
This is how you, you know, you got a thousand acres, you want to fence it all in.
Like, you could do that in Texas, and you can buy deer.
So you say, okay, I want to buy, you know, like, 20 white-tailed deer and let them loose on my property.
You know, you got this thousand-acre spot or wherever you're at.
If you get...
A deer that is from a farm that's unethical, they're all going to be stacked next to each other, just like pigs.
When you watch fucking factory farming for pigs, they're going to be corralled and shitty.
Most of them don't do this, but you're always going to have people that are unethical.
And when people do things where diseases start getting spread and they kind of cover it up or lie about it because they don't want to lose money, and then they're sending deer around, there's a lot of regulations now on how you can move deer across state lines.
It's because of these diseases.
felipe esparza
If you have bad deer meat, can you cover it up with a bunch of good deer meat where that bad meat disappears?
joe rogan
What do you mean?
felipe esparza
Because I remember myself cooking, and I spilled a shitload of garlic on my oatmeal, and I was making oatmeal for 15 motherfuckers in rehab.
So I just started putting more oatmeal, more oatmeal, and more milk.
To hide the garlic smell.
But in the end, everybody was farting anyway, so they still got it.
But do people do that with deer meat?
joe rogan
You could do that.
Yeah, you could make sausage.
felipe esparza
People are not unethical.
They hide it.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
See, what we're talking about, chronic wasting disease, that's different.
It probably wouldn't even affect the taste of the animal.
They'd probably be very lean because there's not much left of them.
Or they could have just gotten it, and they could be healthy-looking, and they still have this disease.
They still test positive for it.
My fear would be about what that disease is going to do if it jumps to human beings.
And if you're consuming it, are we sure that it just goes out of your system?
Or is it just inert?
It doesn't work in your system?
Could it work eventually?
Is it something that has an incubation period that maybe not now?
Maybe it will have one in five years from now, or ten years from now.
Maybe the version of chronic wasting disease, if it evolves and changes.
It's going to be making the jump to humans.
That's a scary fucking disease to make the jump to humans.
There's a bunch of those out there.
felipe esparza
Like bird flu.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
And then there's the ones that we make.
felipe esparza
Gonorrhea.
joe rogan
No, like COVID. They fucking made that shit in a lab.
They made it in a lab.
It's spread across the whole world.
You think they made AIDS in a lab?
felipe esparza
Did you say like AIDS? Like AIDS. I read that somewhere.
They make all that shit in labs.
unidentified
Well...
felipe esparza
Wasn't it like part of chemical warfare, right?
joe rogan
That is a part of chemical warfare, yeah.
felipe esparza
Like putting disease blankets on natives, you know, and...
joe rogan
Well, they've done a bunch of fucking studies.
Like, that's the big conspiracy theory about Lyme disease.
felipe esparza
No, I'm sorry, the natives had influenza blankets.
That's what they had.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
No, no, no.
That was smallpox.
felipe esparza
Smallpox.
joe rogan
But I don't know if that's even true because I don't think they really knew how diseases were spread back then.
I don't think they knew that you could just put scabs on a blanket and give people smallpox.
And if you had smallpox, are you trying to dish out smallpox?
Are you trying to catch it so you're handling it and then putting it in blankets?
It seems like an exaggerated cruelty of what happened.
And what happened was Europeans came over here.
The Native Americans had whatever you want to call them, the indigenous people.
They did not have any immunity to smallpox.
And it wiped out 90 percent of them.
Diseases from North Americans or from Europeans, rather, coming to North America, they wiped out everybody with disease.
It's somewhere in the neighborhood of 90% of the people that were here are gone because of disease.
So, you know, when people want to think that there's no way to prepare, like, a group of human beings that has no immunity.
You know, 1492. There's no way to prepare.
There's no way to prepare anybody.
You're coming in with these stinky European streets filled with shit water, right?
Everybody's got some funky Parasite, funky disease.
They probably fucking stink.
They're probably infested with all...
felipe esparza
They probably smell that boredom all the way.
joe rogan
They probably have viruses fighting viruses inside their body.
Coughing phlegm and blood and they're drinking whiskey and they come over to...
felipe esparza
They're probably having sex with each other.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
And it's probably...
None of it's consensual.
It's probably animals biting each other and holding each other down and fucking each other.
And then they come to North America and they start slaughtering people and the...
There's this one...
We've talked about this before.
He was like a bishop or some religious man who chronicled one of Christopher Columbus's early interactions with these people.
And it's horrific shit, man.
Cutting people's arms off if they don't bring back their weight in gold and dashing babies on rocks in front of their parents.
Horrific shit, man.
And those are the kind of people that brought those diseases.
That's like a real demon horde.
felipe esparza
Crazy, huh?
joe rogan
Crazy.
A real demon horde of people who come over on a boat stinking, covered in their own shit, breathing diseases on everybody.
Everybody's dying.
So unhealthy.
felipe esparza
I know, man.
I think about that pirate.
I don't know, one of the pirates.
unidentified
Blackbeard?
felipe esparza
Blackbeard, man.
He was full of gonorrhea.
joe rogan
Oh, I bet.
felipe esparza
And he would drop mercury on his penis to cure his diseases on his penis.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
felipe esparza
Because that's all they had.
joe rogan
What a good move.
Who invented that?
What asshole was like, try mercury?
felipe esparza
He probably was on a pirate ship somewhere, met a voodoo doctor and said, hey, man.
Mercury, put it in your dick.
joe rogan
Did Mercury kill his dick?
felipe esparza
Yeah.
joe rogan
It says, when he held prisoners for ransom, such as the governor's son during the week-long Charlestown blockade in 1718, he asked for expensive medical supplies.
This included liquid mercury, which, when injected through a urethral syringe, was a common, ineffective treatment for syphilis.
Injected through your pee hole with a fucking syringe.
unidentified
Yo!
joe rogan
Blackbeard had up to 14 wives in different ports.
Wow.
Damn.
Somebody needs to do a movie about that guy.
felipe esparza
Imagine, man.
He had the money to put mercury in his dick.
The rest of the crew probably didn't.
So they're fucking everything, man.
Fucking shit up.
joe rogan
There's this temple in China.
That they are afraid to go into.
They discovered it, and this emperor, when he died, was such a great emperor that he had this whole field of terracotta statues that were built that looked like warriors that are guarding him.
It's a crazy discovery that they had.
felipe esparza
They're giant, right?
joe rogan
But the ground all around where this temple is tests for high levels of mercury.
And the ancient story is that anybody who ever dared open up this temple, open up this tomb, rather, where this emperor is buried, will drown in mercury.
felipe esparza
I thought you were going to say they got gonorrhea.
joe rogan
No.
Imagine drowning in mercury.
Imagine, like, 2,000 years ago, a dude sets up a booby trap for greedy people and sets it up where he fills the entire tomb up with mercury.
First of all, is that even possible?
How much mercury would you have to handle, and how many people would have to die from that mercury?
Because imagine, first of all, where did they even get it?
Yeah, where did they get mercury in 2,000 plus years ago?
Do you know that story about that emperor and his temple?
No, Teotihuacan is Aztec.
Yeah, that's probably a common booby track, I bet.
But this one where there's...
Temple in China.
jamie vernon
On top of Google, it says temple drowned in Mercury refers to the temple of Teotihuacan.
joe rogan
Can you say temple booby-trapped with Mercury in China?
I think it's like the first emperor of China.
jamie vernon
It says it could have been a thing that they did on Earth.
It says it was in China.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is the one.
So there's one that they have not entered into.
I think this is the one with the terracotta statues in front of it.
I think there's a common thing when great people died, they probably made a terracotta army for them.
When they find these things, it's like...
unidentified
Here it is.
joe rogan
It's us talking about it.
Crazy story of First Emperor of China's Tomb.
That's me and Schultz talking about it, right?
Click on that.
So I'll remember.
It's not our video.
It's my fucking video, bitch.
jamie vernon
It's somebody else's video.
Somebody else uploaded it, I should say.
joe rogan
Well, that's ridiculous, but it's ours, right?
felipe esparza
Yeah.
joe rogan
So what do you say to Zoom?
They would have a copyright on my voice?
jamie vernon
I don't want to get into it, but yeah, we probably have the revenues probably come into our thing because there are people claiming it, but it's up.
I'm just saying.
That's why I've been bringing that up.
felipe esparza
A lot of the clips that I watched are from other people sharing them.
jamie vernon
I was just saying, it's not ours, so I don't know if they've edited or not.
joe rogan
Okay, don't put it up then.
felipe esparza
Yeah.
joe rogan
Got it.
But anyway, the point is, there's this tomb in China that's supposedly booby-trapped with tons of liquid mercury.
I'm sure Jamie will find it.
But this area around it apparently tests high for mercury.
So they think that it might be a true story, and they don't want to go in there.
They don't want to fucking open up the door and die.
Which is wild that this dude set this up, if he did, 2,000-plus years ago.
I don't even remember how many thousands of years ago it was, but it was insanely impressive.
felipe esparza
Wow.
unidentified
Amazing.
felipe esparza
To think of something like that and it still works.
joe rogan
Yeah, like where do you, while Jamie's looking this up, where the fuck do you think they get mercury and how much can they get?
How much can they have back then?
felipe esparza
I've only seen in a thermometer.
joe rogan
I know, like where are they getting it?
jamie vernon
Throughout antiquity, remember we've talked about Cinnabar before?
felipe esparza
Cinnabar.
jamie vernon
It's where they got red stuff also.
Cinnabar in antiquity was the source of all mercury.
joe rogan
So how did they do it?
felipe esparza
Was it a pool of it?
joe rogan
How did they do it?
jamie vernon
Does it say how they did it?
To extract, you need to roast it in air, converting the sulfur to sulfur dioxide.
While the mercury is released as vapor, it can be then condensed.
Since the mercury boils at 357 Celsius, this process needs temperatures well within.
They need some kilns.
They had those.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
So they just cooked up mercury.
jamie vernon
It's hard to do, but they did it.
joe rogan
Wow.
Well, if they can make a temple like this guy had, they can cook up mercury and fill that temple.
That is crazy to think of.
Maybe there's going to be a way with new technology where they can pierce into the ground, where they can see into things without having to actually go in there physically.
Because I know they're doing the LIDAR stuff.
I know they can kind of detect where they used to be agriculture and places.
jamie vernon
This article is someone digging into, is this claim real?
And this says that even if...
joe rogan
So even though mercury, either as a cinnabar or as the elemental metal, has been found in tombs dating as far back as the second millennium BC, it's not clear why it was put there.
Might its toxicity have acted as a deterrent to grave looters?
Probably not.
The dangers of mercury fumes were not recognized until Han times.
If so, it seems, there's a lot of mercury in the burial chamber.
It's likely to be either a preservative or an anti-theft device.
So the big theory is that it's an anti-theft device, and that's why people are terrified of going in there.
Here, hold it right here.
Based on estimates of mercury production from the Song era and allowing for the imperfections of the earlier refinement process, he thinks the chamber might have contained at most 100 tons of the liquid metal.
Holy shit.
A hundred tons!
felipe esparza
How did Blackbeard fight this shit?
joe rogan
Well, that wasn't Blackbeard, that was China.
felipe esparza
How did they fight mercury back then?
Shiver me timbers!
joe rogan
Oh, they have like a...
Look at that.
That was the device they stuck in their dick?
felipe esparza
And that's a saying, right?
Shiver me timbers?
joe rogan
I think they're saying that just for funsies.
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Yeah, they found this in a wreck.
unidentified
Oh my god, this guy had a mercury syringe in Iraq.
felipe esparza
For my peepee.
joe rogan
And look, it's all rough looking and it's not even polished good.
felipe esparza
Man, he probably was drawing in his map.
Don't go over there, man.
If you're going to go to this island, take lots of mercury.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, they all died from that, right?
Syphilis.
jamie vernon
Look at this.
A pump cluster, which would have been to use pump fluid into the rectum, allowing the body to quickly absorb it.
They were taking...
joe rogan
Like animals?
jamie vernon
They're boofin.
joe rogan
They're boofin.
So they're doing that for drugs?
Pump liquid into the rectum.
We're gonna figure out what they're doing.
Yeah, liquid into the rectum.
Well, aren't people doing that like moonshine?
Don't they pour moonshine in their asshole?
This is what I heard.
felipe esparza
They pour coffee now.
joe rogan
I heard people take tampons filled with vodka and stuff them in their asshole.
jamie vernon
I mean, they've been doing it since the days of the pirates, so it's not new.
There you go.
joe rogan
Bro, what the fuck is wrong with people?
jamie vernon
Severe dehydration by pumping fluid in the ass.
felipe esparza
People like putting stuff on their butts.
jamie vernon
And also a bloodletting instrument called a porringer.
joe rogan
I had a buddy of mine, and he did his medical residency in Miami in the 1980s during the cocaine times.
And he said, dude, that's where he did his residency show.
He was in the emergency room.
So it was like every day someone's coming in with something stuffed up their ass.
They're coked out of their mind.
They got G.I. Joe stuffed up their ass.
He found people with light bulbs, those twisty pinecone-looking light bulbs stuck up their ass.
felipe esparza
Damn.
joe rogan
All kinds of things stuck up their ass.
felipe esparza
I did a show at Lompoc State Penitentiary, and one of the guards told me, That some guy made a vibrator out of seven handballs.
You know, the one, the void.
And he taped them all up.
And then, how do you guys know?
Well, he didn't tie them up too good and they were all stuck in there to take them all out.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
He didn't tie him up good?
felipe esparza
Yeah, because he didn't put enough wrapping, I guess.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
So they had to go in his butt and get all those balls?
felipe esparza
Yeah.
joe rogan
How many were in there?
felipe esparza
Like five.
Whatever.
How many balls make this?
And you thought he was hiding a knife.
joe rogan
That's a hard way to go, too, because sometimes people die that way.
You get, you know, toxic shock.
Something goes wrong.
You tear your rectum.
You bleed out internally.
Stuffing things up your ass.
Like the Mr. Hand story.
You know the Mr. Hand story, right?
felipe esparza
No.
joe rogan
There's a whole movie based on it called Zoo.
Zoo is a...
It's a thing called Zophilia, where people are sexually attracted to farm animals.
And so these people met up online, and they found out that you're still allowed to fuck animals in Washington State.
So they all went to Washington State.
It was Washington State, right?
Yeah.
It was based on a true story.
felipe esparza
Oh, right.
joe rogan
And...
This dude got fucked to death by a horse.
They bring him to the emergency room, like, what's going on?
And, you know, everyone's acting a little shifty.
And then they have to tell the whole story.
And they find out these people have, like, hundreds of hours of people getting fucked by donkeys and horses and shit.
And they all did this out on this weird ranch.
felipe esparza
Wow.
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's how the dude died.
felipe esparza
One of the first books, you know, there used to be a lot of sex books when we were kids, and they were all nasty books about sex.
Yeah.
The first one I ever read was about people having sex with animals.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
felipe esparza
But there were like, remember the penthouse stories or Playboy stories?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
felipe esparza
But these were all with animals.
And I remember the woman telling this whole story about having sex with a horse.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
felipe esparza
And like just...
Riding that fool.
joe rogan
You never see the Mr. Hands video.
There's a video, one video that got leaked online way back in the day.
Brian Redband sent it to me.
And it's this dude getting railed by the horse.
And it's not even the one where he dies, apparently.
He dies in another video.
But in this video, you see the size of the horse's dick, and you see his body, and you see his ass, and you're like, there's no way.
felipe esparza
How many people helped him?
One guy.
joe rogan
One guy grabbed it and just pointed it in the right direction.
And the horse was one gigantic thrust of death, and the guy makes this horrible sound, and then his friend goes, too much?
And then his friend is like, oh, he came.
He came.
The horse came.
And you're like, this is the sickest fucking thing I've ever seen in my life.
And that's how that guy died.
That guy in that video that's getting fucked by that horse was the guy who eventually dies from it.
felipe esparza
Did they put the horse to sleep afterwards?
joe rogan
I don't think so.
It's not the horse's fault.
The fuck did the horse do?
The horse is going to, you know, I wouldn't bend over in front of him.
Right?
He's kind of conditioned now.
It's not his fault.
jamie vernon
The media kind of says they only found out about all this because he died.
Yes.
Yeah, that's what I said.
felipe esparza
Was that his first time or was it a try with ponies first?
joe rogan
No, he had been fucked by a bunch of horses.
Or a bunch of times by the same horse.
But there was apparently many hours of this guy getting fucked by horses.
jamie vernon
100 VHS tapes and DVDs.
felipe esparza
But it's real, right?
It's not like an urban legend when people say I went to TJ and saw a donkey show.
joe rogan
You want to see it?
jamie vernon
No.
felipe esparza
You're going to show it?
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
This is still my old computer, I guess.
joe rogan
Do you have it?
You can still get it, right?
jamie vernon
I don't know where to look.
I'll look.
joe rogan
I bet you could get it.
I bet if you put it up on X. X is one of the few places where...
Actually, it's actually illegal.
So maybe you can't have it on X. Hold on.
Because bestiality...
It wasn't illegal when they were doing it, though.
felipe esparza
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a point.
felipe esparza
No, that's called bestiality when you have sex with an animal?
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's called...
You're fucking gross.
felipe esparza
And what's the one when you have sex with dead bodies?
joe rogan
That is...
felipe esparza
Necrophilia, right?
Necrophilia.
jamie vernon
Don't look on X for that.
Yeah, you can't find an X. It's a different search result that pops up.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, they probably gamed the search results now, right?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
There's a lot of 21 and older material.
felipe esparza
People have sex with animals, right?
Like, since you want to talk about gangs of New York, how ugly it was.
joe rogan
Right.
People just fucked everything that was in front of them.
Here it is.
Headphones, please.
jamie vernon
We'll make sure.
joe rogan
Yeah, there it is, baby.
jamie vernon
Do you verify that that's it?
joe rogan
Oh, that's 100% it.
jamie vernon
Okay.
joe rogan
Absolutely.
Go full screen.
And don't show it on screen at all.
jamie vernon
Do you want me to mute the sound when we play this?
unidentified
Nope.
joe rogan
Nope.
Let's hear it.
unidentified
It's on a porn site, I guess.
joe rogan
Here we go.
Here's the sound.
felipe esparza
That's reverse him?
joe rogan
So that's the guy's butt.
The horse gets on top of him.
And then the guy grabs it.
Look at this.
Watch this.
Look at the distance.
Look at the amount of tissue we're talking about here.
unidentified
Watch this.
Okay.
This is on a loop.
joe rogan
This is repeating.
felipe esparza
This is repeating, yeah.
joe rogan
The whole thing really only lasts a couple of seconds.
felipe esparza
Wow.
That guy died.
The guy has no ass.
joe rogan
The movie's fascinating, because the movie is like a documentary sort of recreation of those people, and it's not like that.
You don't see things, but you just see how fucking bananas the whole story is.
felipe esparza
The horse is known for that, or did you grab a random horse?
Because he seemed to know what he was doing, bro.
joe rogan
He'd probably been fucking that guy for a long time.
That's what I'm saying.
It killed him one day, but I think he had done it a bunch of times.
felipe esparza
You're not going to show that, right?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
felipe esparza
Peter will come after us.
jamie vernon
Who knows what I was really showing?
joe rogan
Yeah, we were just making noises.
felipe esparza
That is...
Mr. Red.
My name is Mr. Red.
unidentified
There's people out there that are out of their fucking minds.
joe rogan
They're out of their fucking mind.
You're getting fucked to death by a horse in a grainy video.
You know?
unidentified
Like, what is life for you?
felipe esparza
That would be crazy.
joe rogan
That's your thing.
You're getting off work at five.
And I think the guy who died was an intelligent guy.
Wasn't he an engineer?
jamie vernon
He worked at Boeing for over eight years, yeah.
joe rogan
Bro, he was a Boeing engineer who liked to get fucked to death by a horse.
That horse's dick is as long as an arm.
Look at how long that dick is.
felipe esparza
Oh, like long, long silver.
joe rogan
Do you see the size of that thing?
felipe esparza
It was like 17 and a half inches.
joe rogan
It was gigantic.
It's probably bigger than that.
When it goes into his body, you're just like, where's the room?
Where's the space?
How?
felipe esparza
How do you warm up to it?
joe rogan
I guess you start with fingers.
felipe esparza
Then you move up to ketchup bottles.
jamie vernon
The ability to experience certain sensations after a motorcycle accident.
joe rogan
Oh, so that was the only way you could feel things?
jamie vernon
It started going ham.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
That's terrifying.
That's terrifying.
jamie vernon
I don't know why I started filming it, though.
joe rogan
Well, you know what?
That also kind of makes sense, right?
Because we've talked about this many times, about brain injuries.
About people with brain injuries, they get very impulsive, and they do reckless things.
That totally makes sense.
This guy had a motorcycle accident that fucked up the way he feels thing.
He probably got wrecked.
felipe esparza
That's crazy, man.
joe rogan
So if he got wrecked, he probably got a brain injury.
And it probably turned him into a wild man.
felipe esparza
I twisted my ankle, man.
Now I want a moose to fuck me in the ass.
joe rogan
You want to get fucked to death by a wild animal.
unidentified
You want to be the first guy to get buttfucked by a bear.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you break your brain in that way.
Like, for some people, they're just...
Different now.
felipe esparza
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
Now they're different.
I've seen it happen to a bunch of dudes when they've been knocked out.
Been knocked out really bad.
felipe esparza
But that's crazy.
Get knocked out and the fuck out and you wake up and go, is there a horse nearby?
Because I'm really horny right now.
joe rogan
Well, who knows what's going on with the chemistry of your brain.
You just want experience.
You want excitement.
unidentified
You want to see if you can suck a horse's cock.
felipe esparza
But that goes back to your old joke, man.
The old joke to say, hey.
You take a break today.
joe rogan
Yeah, take your day off.
felipe esparza
You know what I said?
You had that joke about up in the Playboy Mansion and you said that, what's his name?
Well, whatever.
He would have, every once in a while, a gay would pop in.
And then he goes, and then the punchline was, nah, man.
You take a break.
joe rogan
Don't start fucking guys.
You take a break.
felipe esparza
You take a break.
joe rogan
Yeah, relax.
You get a little crazy.
felipe esparza
Yeah, you fucking take chicks a day.
You know that for a guy.
You take a break.
joe rogan
I think for some people with brain injuries, though, they get addicted to skydiving, they get addicted to gambling, they get addicted to really reckless behavior.
felipe esparza
Gary Busey was in a head injury, right?
joe rogan
A bad one.
felipe esparza
I wonder what he's up to.
joe rogan
He looks like he's been in an accident.
He fell on a motorcycle and hit his head on the curb with no helmet on.
Yeah.
It was a bad one.
So California didn't used to have a helmet law back then.
felipe esparza
It was because of him, though.
joe rogan
Well, I don't know if it's because of him.
jamie vernon
Yeah, I did read that.
He started a big push to help that.
joe rogan
So he helped it, but I know that people wanted help.
I'm torn on that shit.
It's like, yeah, you should have helmet laws because there's 18-year-old boys out there that can have motorcycles, and that's fucking crazy.
That's crazy.
I am so glad that when I was 18, I never got a fucking motorcycle.
felipe esparza
Once you thought of a motorcycle like...
70 miles an hour, the helmet is like nothing, right?
joe rogan
Depends on how you fall.
felipe esparza
How you fall, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, you might slide.
If you slide, you probably just get your skin ripped from your body.
felipe esparza
Did you survive it yet?
Well, just woke up to a fetish.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's the thing, man.
If you get really banged, you could have some screwy brainwaves after that.
And you could think everyone's out to get you.
People get real weird.
They get real weird.
And they feel extra vulnerable.
You know, their brain's not working the same anymore, so they don't know who they are anymore.
They don't feel like they used to feel.
felipe esparza
Yeah.
joe rogan
They started to feel crazy.
You know, and they start thinking that no one wants to help them.
unidentified
You start getting really angry and real negative.
joe rogan
And then you get fucked by a horse.
It's just...
All the things that you could be doing, that that's how you chose to go out.
All the things that you could be doing.
You know?
You could be seeing the world.
felipe esparza
He said, nah, I want a sea biscuit.
joe rogan
You could be a food blogger.
felipe esparza
Nah.
Ponies.
joe rogan
You could be a fashion influencer.
Nope.
felipe esparza
Nah, I want to be Willie Shoemaker.
joe rogan
I want to get taken out by a horse.
felipe esparza
Black stallion.
joe rogan
In some dirty barn somewhere.
That's where you breathe your last breath.
In a dirty barn with horse jizz in your asshole.
felipe esparza
What did Fred do?
joe rogan
They freaked out.
They brought him to the hospital.
They tried to drop him off.
Then the cops start questioning him, I believe.
I'm paraphrasing for sure.
But I think that's how they got busted.
They brought off the guy and he's got a giant hole in his asshole.
He's pale like a sheet.
felipe esparza
Like, what happened?
joe rogan
Why is the inside of his body missing?
Why does he have a fucking...
felipe esparza
Telephone pole.
Sir, why could we see his shoes through his mouth?
joe rogan
What is going on with this dude?
What did you do?
What'd you do?
That story about Jimi Hendrix still freaks me out.
felipe esparza
The manager?
joe rogan
I've been thinking about it the entire time we've been talking.
I go back to the idea of them just pouring pills down the greatest guitarist of all time's mouth and then just pouring jugs of wine down, holding them down, and that's how he dies.
Motherfucker, that's scary.
felipe esparza
His manager.
joe rogan
Motherfucker.
jamie vernon
His US manager said this story is not true just for...
felipe esparza
Of course.
I would say that too.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
I would say that too.
I mean, I don't know if it's true.
Who fucking knows?
But the idea...
And he did.
But he definitely did die.
He definitely did die by asphyxiation.
felipe esparza
Some people say also that the CIA did it.
Jimi Hendrix?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I haven't heard that one.
But if anything happens, people always think the CIA was involved somehow.
Anything, no matter what it is, right?
felipe esparza
Yeah.
joe rogan
Pretty much.
felipe esparza
They always say that.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't trust nothing.
felipe esparza
Secret agent, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's either them or it's China or it's Russia.
Who's really sending me this text telling me that I'm qualified for the $4,000 in savings?
You know those texts you get?
Who's sending those?
felipe esparza
Who's sending those?
joe rogan
You know those texts that you get?
Like random texts?
Hey, congratulations.
You've received approval for your loan.
felipe esparza
Oh, I don't get those.
joe rogan
You don't get those?
I get them for a dude named Ray.
So Ray had my fucking phone number before I moved here.
Fucking Ray.
Ray must have signed up to every goddamn list.
Ray must have put in that number every chance he could.
I keep getting these fucking text messages for Ray, and it's all like loans, and you qualify for this, and this is available, we're looking for someone to hire.
There's always some weird scams.
felipe esparza
You qualify for aluminum sightings.
joe rogan
I don't understand how they can't stop that from happening.
It seems weird that you get so many of them.
You get so many of these scam things, or they get a hold of your phone number and just spam you lies.
felipe esparza
I think you get to a certain age, 50, and I think you're gullible to these tricks now.
joe rogan
Well, I think young people are gullible, too.
felipe esparza
They send it to 22-year-olds, hey, man, you want to fix your home?
How do you have a home?
joe rogan
If you're dumb.
If you're dumb and you're 22 and you get something that you qualify for $4,000, oh shit, they think this is me.
Then I say yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll take that money.
And then, you know, whatever the fuck they do.
I don't know what they do.
felipe esparza
There was a guy in LA that was calling women at their jobs and telling them they had won something, and he convinced them to cut their heels off their shoes.
joe rogan
And he, what, film it?
felipe esparza
No, he was just calling them out randomly.
Hey, you just won blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
All you gotta do is cut your heels off your shoes right now.
And women were doing it and he called a bunch of chicks and they all just fucked up their shoes for nothing.
joe rogan
Oh, what an asshole.
It's funny, but it's also like...
felipe esparza
That person was mean, I wasn't.
But it was somebody...
joe rogan
What a rude thing to do to a lady.
Especially if it's your favorite shoes and you only have one pair.
felipe esparza
Not my red bottoms.
joe rogan
Bro, shoes are hard to get.
Those bitches are expensive, right?
felipe esparza
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why aren't we so lucky we don't have to wear shoes that hurt?
Girls wear shoes that hurt.
They can only wear them for so long.
Like, I can't imagine.
I don't even like wearing things other than sneakers.
felipe esparza
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or like a comfortable boot.
Like, you know, I got a couple pairs of these Origin boots.
They're real comfortable.
Easy to walk around in.
Like, nice, smooth leather.
felipe esparza
I don't think I ever have boots.
joe rogan
Boots are great.
But the point is, they don't hurt.
felipe esparza
I've never had cowboy boots.
I've had Doc Martin, but not cowboy boots.
joe rogan
The point is, they don't hurt to wear.
But ladies are always wearing shoes that hurt.
What a crazy choice.
felipe esparza
Five-inch heels.
Stilettos.
joe rogan
That's probably why they have better pain tolerance, too.
They have to give birth, and they wear shoes that hurt all the time, so they have to deal with pain.
unidentified
We're so lucky we don't have any of that stupid shit.
joe rogan
Imagine if we had to wear makeup every day.
Imagine what it'd be like.
Like, Felipe, what have you done to your eyes?
felipe esparza
I don't know, man.
I put mercury on them.
joe rogan
Isn't that interesting?
Like, women all, I mean, most.
A lot.
Let's say a lot of women wear makeup every day.
Or wake up makeup regularly.
On a regular basis, they wear makeup.
It's not a very rare occasion thing.
unidentified
Most...
joe rogan
I don't know what the number is.
Want to find out?
Let's Google it.
Because that's probably...
A lot of that stuff's probably not healthy for you either, right?
What's in those colors?
What kind of dyes are they using?
felipe esparza
The red dye, huh?
joe rogan
Like, what is all that stuff made out of?
Are we sure?
I mean, maybe some of it's really good for you.
Maybe some of it's terrible for you.
Maybe it's just like the scented candle.
felipe esparza
Is there lipsticks?
Well, I don't know.
The lipsticks...
For the native lipsticks, it's made out of smashed little bugs.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's one of the red dye things too, right?
felipe esparza
Smashed little bugs.
You put them on here.
joe rogan
Can't be bad for you, right?
felipe esparza
You can't be bad as a horse up your ass.
joe rogan
So, what percentage?
jamie vernon
43% reported.
joe rogan
Okay.
43% of U.S. women reported wearing makeup daily or weekly, but it doesn't break out the daily portion explicitly.
Rewinding to 2019, the same source noted a higher share of women wearing makeup daily.
Gen Z, 18-24 at 30%, and Millennials, 25-34 at 35%, suggesting a decline over time.
Separate 2023, YouGov poll of 1,000 U.S. women found that 38% wear makeup at least...
A few times a week or daily with older women 65 plus being the most likely to wear it daily compared to younger groups.
They probably all wore it daily back in the day, right?
You gotta keep up your looks, Gladys.
Go back up again, please.
Another study from 2017 by Statista indicated 41% of U.S. women aged 30 to 59 wear makeup daily.
felipe esparza
Yeah, there was a woman back in, I don't know, 1800 or 1900. She was the first woman to make a woman's magazine on clothing and home gardening, how to cook.
She was the first lady to put recipes in a magazine.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah?
felipe esparza
Kind of like for a homemaker.
joe rogan
Right.
felipe esparza
And then, yeah.
There was a magazine back then.
I don't know what the name of the magazine, but...
joe rogan
Jamie, Google is makeup bad for you.
What do you think?
jamie vernon
What do you mean?
joe rogan
Google, is makeup toxic?
felipe esparza
When I was a kid, my seventh grade teacher thought it was bad.
Don't put on that makeup, young girl.
jamie vernon
There's toxic makeup for sure.
joe rogan
What are the ingredients in makeup that are toxic?
jamie vernon
The Wizard of Oz guy got...
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
felipe esparza
The lady with the green makeup, yes.
joe rogan
Bro, no.
The lady with the green makeup, the Wizard of Oz, or the Tin Man.
felipe esparza
The witch.
joe rogan
Yeah, they got real sick, man.
unidentified
Mercury.
joe rogan
Yes, some makeup can be toxic.
felipe esparza
Wow.
joe rogan
Lead, mercury, and arsenic.
Heavy metals can be found in cosmetics.
Phthalates, common contaminant in cosmetics.
Formaldehyde, a chemical found in some makeup.
felipe esparza
Yeah, man.
That's why a lot of comedians back then stopped blackfacing.
joe rogan
Man, that's scary shit.
That's scary shit.
I wonder if that contributes to a higher incidence of certain issues, health issues that maybe women have that use it daily.
felipe esparza
I wonder how many...
joe rogan
I wonder, right?
felipe esparza
How about the people that worked the news back then in the 450?
They wore a shitload of makeup.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
And what the fuck kind of makeup did they have back then?
That was probably all chemicals.
felipe esparza
Cake makeup, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, bro.
felipe esparza
What the fuck did they make that stuff out of?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, man.
You don't have to wear that, ladies.
We're not that complicated.
felipe esparza
You guys gotta wear makeup when you do the UFC fights?
joe rogan
No, I don't wear anything.
I'm like, are you crazy?
I have to go in there with dudes who literally have their heads split open.
You know?
I have to interview people that are soaked in blood, and sometimes the blood is spitting out onto the microphone while I'm talking.
felipe esparza
That happens?
joe rogan
All the time.
I get blood on me all the time.
Like, the idea of me wearing makeup to look better while I'm out there.
While they're dealing with people that just got their face punched in is crazy.
That's ridiculous.
I won't do it.
felipe esparza
So when they're speaking to you, like, when you get a fighter that's real bloody, like, you can, what's, um, because you're really up close to these guys.
What do you see in their eyes after a fight, like, when they're, and they're also bleeding, man?
Do you see, like, you see, like, their insensity, man?
Do you see things, like, other people don't see?
When you're interviewing them?
Well, I'm sure you see something.
You're there in a fight right in front of them.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think you're probably gonna get more of a sense of how they feel after it's over.
Like there's like some historic moments where you could see that when the fighter wins, it's like it's a big fucking deal.
And one of my favorite ones was when Israel Adesanya had his second UFC fight against Alex Pereira and he knocks him down, knocks him out.
Cold, beautiful, clean right hand, then finished him on the ground, and then fires off three arrows into his body.
felipe esparza
Yeah, I remember that guy.
Bro!
joe rogan
I mean, that was a fucking classic moment.
And then he grabs a microphone and gives one of the most inspirational speeches.
Pull that speech up, because it's amazing.
This is my favorite moment, I think, of anybody after they won a fight.
Because it's just like, this was real, in the moment.
From a guy who's the fucking boogeyman, dude.
Alex Pereira is the boogeyman.
He's the scariest motherfucker in the sport.
He knocked Izzy out twice.
He left hook KO'd him in kickboxing, and then he beat him down in the UFC, and then Izzy finally knocked him out.
And when he knocked him out, when he fires those arrows into his body, and then...
See if you can find that speech.
And when you hear it, man, you're like, wow.
That's like...
That's what makes the whole career worth it.
These moments where you reach out and you touch the world.
alex pereira
I hope every one of you can feel this level of happiness just one time in your life.
You will never feel this level of happiness if you don't go for something, when they knock you down, when they talk about you.
If you stay down, you will never ever get that resolve.
Fortify your mind and feel this level of happiness as you rise.
One time in your life, but I'm blessed to be able to feel this s*** again and again and again and again and again.
joe rogan
Amazing.
Amazing!
That's like human fuel.
You hear someone saying something like that after doing something like that, that can help you all throughout your day.
That's human fuel.
Amazing.
Amazing.
felipe esparza
If you're gonna go, go all the way or don't even try.
joe rogan
Yeah.
felipe esparza
Charles Bukowski.
joe rogan
That guy was out there.
felipe esparza
If you're gonna go, go all the way or don't even try, this could mean losing girlfriends, it could mean losing wives, relatives, it could be time spent in jail, lonely nights in the dark, lonely nights by yourself.
joe rogan
Yeah.
felipe esparza
But in the end, it's all worth it.
I don't know the rest.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's great.
Did you ever see the movie they did on with Mickey Rourke?
felipe esparza
Both.
joe rogan
They did two movies?
felipe esparza
The one with Matt Dillon called Factotum, too.
joe rogan
When was that?
felipe esparza
That came out in 2000-something, and he plays them at a different...
There's Barfly and there's Factotum.
Factotum, he plays them at that age.
joe rogan
He's way too handsome.
felipe esparza
How dare he?
He plays them good.
How dare he?
joe rogan
He's way too handsome.
That's outrageous.
Mickey Rourke made himself look fucked up.
A toast to all my friends!
You know, he like...
felipe esparza
Yeah.
Charles Bukowski is actually in bar flight.
He's one of the drunks in the bar.
joe rogan
Yeah.
felipe esparza
How women in the world aren't whores.
Just mine.
joe rogan
You ever see one of those readings that he used to do?
He used to do these readings.
He'd read from his books and people would yell and he'd fucking have hecklers and shit.
Yell out to them.
He's just a guy, just constantly drunk with profound thoughts.
felipe esparza
Yeah, man.
When I started reading, I wanted to read books about authors that were from Los Angeles, like in the 40s and 50s.
And I said, I gotta find something that talks about Los Angeles, these streets that I live in.
And it was Charles Bukowski.
He writes about Los Angeles.
And I found out that his inspiration was a guy named...
Oh, man, what's his name?
He writes just like Charles Bukowski.
He wrote a book called Ask the Dust and The Adventures of Arturo Bandini.
I'm lost here of his name, but John Fonte.
Yes, John Fonte.
John Fonte wrote books in the style of Charles Bukowski, and Charles Bukowski, when he found out about him, He helped him publish all his books again.
So that's why I know that John Fonte exists because John Bogoski, he republished all his books for him when he was dying of diabetes.
So after dusk, bro, he talks about Los Angeles during 1932, bro, when Los Angeles had a metro rail and the 1932 earthquake in Los Angeles.
unidentified
Wow.
felipe esparza
So this guy's from Los Angeles.
He talks about Armenians and...
Working the docs in 1920s.
joe rogan
Wow.
That's a great catch.
felipe esparza
And they're alcoholics, bro.
This guy's an alcoholic and so is Charles Bukowski.
These are dudes that work jobs and still were authors.
joe rogan
Imagine going from those guys to TikTokers at BOA. Exactly.
felipe esparza
Yeah, exactly.
These guys actually had jobs during the day.
Charles Bukowski, he worked at the post-op.
He never quit.
And Arturo Bandini, well, what's his name?
The other guy, he started writing for Hollywood and he just disappeared.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah?
felipe esparza
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, like writing screenplays or something?
felipe esparza
Writing screenplays.
He got into it under contract.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
There's a lot of talented writers who just decide to write for a company.
unidentified
They just kind of like give up on the dream, do it for a job.
felipe esparza
Did you ever get hired to be a writer and then you said, this is not for me?
joe rogan
I got a book deal once and I gave them the money back because they had too much input.
They wanted to have too much input.
And then they wanted me to transcribe my stand-up.
That was one of their ideas.
I'm like, that's a terrible idea.
They're like, George Carlin did.
I'm like, well, that's fine.
I love George Carlin, but so what?
I'm not doing that.
That doesn't make any sense to me.
Why would I want the worst version of what the ideas are, which is just print?
The best version is a live, performed version.
Second best version is a video.
Worst, for sure, is print.
Audio is slightly better.
But it's like, you don't want to do that.
Why would I do that?
That's a dumb way to write a book.
I just want to write about things that I'm thinking about.
felipe esparza
Yeah, why would you write your whole stat list on a book?
joe rogan
And then I realized if I'm going to write something, I have to want to.
And it has to be something that I do because I'm controlling the entire thing.
And then if they like it, they like it.
If they don't, they don't.
But it's not something that I would ever want to have somebody help me out with.
jamie vernon
According to this article about him.
Part of the reason why he didn't explode when other writers did is because his publisher was in a legal battle for an unauthorized publication of Mein Kampf.
joe rogan
Whoa!
felipe esparza
Oh, I didn't know that!
That's good to know.
joe rogan
Whoa!
Holy shit!
jamie vernon
Yeah.
Wow.
joe rogan
The financial drain on the publisher hampered the distribution of Ask the Dust.
felipe esparza
Yes.
joe rogan
While Fent put out a short story collection, Dago Red, in 1940, more than a decade would pass before another Bandini novel.
unidentified
Wow.
jamie vernon
Yeah, he disappeared.
unidentified
He got in a legal battle with Adolf Hitler.
jamie vernon
Well, his publisher did, but yeah.
felipe esparza
That's crazy, huh?
Insane.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
Dude, I'm going to read that.
Is it on audio?
I hope it's on audiobook.
I'm so lazy.
Sitting down and actually reading a book right now.
It's too daunting.
It's too daunting.
Felipe, one more time.
Tell everybody special.
On Netflix.
Available right now.
felipe esparza
Oh, my Netflix special is available right now.
Raging Fool on Netflix.
Go check it out.
Directed by my wife, Lisa O'Daniel.
And I want to give a shout out to my...
My brother-in-law, who listens to you religiously with his daughters, Johnny O'Daniel.
What's up, boo?
joe rogan
Shout out to Johnny.
felipe esparza
In Dayton, Ohio.
joe rogan
All right.
Instagram, all that shit.
What is it?
felipe esparza
My Instagram is Felipe Esparza.
My website is felipesworld.com.
I'll be in, I don't know when this airs, I'll be in Grand Rapids, Iowa, and Indianapolis, Helium.
joe rogan
When are those dates?
felipe esparza
I don't know.
joe rogan
Okay.
Go to the website.
Go to the website.
felipe esparza
April 5th, I'll be in San Diego with Paul Rodriguez, and April 25th, I'll be in San Diego with a bunch of comedians.
Beautiful.
joe rogan
All right.
Felipe, always good to see you, my brother.
felipe esparza
Thank you, bro.
unidentified
Happy to be here, bro.
felipe esparza
Thanks for being here.
unidentified
All right.
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