Retired Air Force Master Sergeants Lenval Logan and Jason Sands reveal classified UAP encounters, including Sands’ 1994 telepathic exchange with a hypothermic, pale humanoid near Nellis Air Force Base demanding tritium for repairs—verified later by experts—and Logan’s 1990 sighting of a zigzagging craft matching Belgian wave reports. They describe drones defying physics, radar anomalies, and three NHI types (grays, tall whites, reptilians), with the latter allegedly suppressed due to bloodlust claims. Logan’s app Phenom and Sands’ task force work highlight government obfuscation, while Nixon’s rumored UFO meeting with Jackie Gleason underscores decades of secrecy. Their testimonies suggest NHIs may manipulate perception, operate beyond Earth’s dimensions, or even influence human evolution—raising urgent questions about disclosure and humanity’s future reckoning with these intelligences. [Automatically generated summary]
I'm a retired Master Sergeant from the Air Force, worked 22 years, retired 2007.
Started off as an airframe guy, ended up in Intel, and that's when things got strange.
Had my second duty assignment as an Intel guy and got introduced to the program, and that's how I ended up in the movie, is I had some strange experiences that I could talk about that were unclassified.
So I came forward, and that's where James found me.
And we got along pretty good, and everything's a history from there.
What was your first introduction to this whole concept that we are in possession of alien crafts or that we have communicated or there's been some contact?
Like, what was your thoughts about it before you had these experiences?
It looked like it came from atmosphere, you know, distance, and then kept approaching my bedroom window and ended up kind of hovering near the bottom of my street.
And I was screaming to my parents, you know, there's a strange light outside.
And nobody responded.
So I ran out to get my binoculars, my dad's binoculars, and ran out to the front lawn.
Finally, my mom was the only one that responded.
And we both got to see it taken off as it came across the rooftop of my friend Eddie's house at the bottom of the street.
And that's what she's got to see, my mother and I. Did it make any noise?
Zero noise.
No, it just looked like a total mirror, completely polished mirror kind of oblong kind of a ship or craft.
When I was on mission, because I just kind of filed away that UFO experience at 10 years old for many years, and I just was kind of even skeptical sometimes about, well, maybe it was just something, you know, an aberration in my mind or eyes or something.
But anyway, so I got really convinced that this was real when I was at WrightPat on a mission, when I was in the program.
And we intercepted some calls that literally were speaking about an NHI presence in the program.
I can pretty much talk to you about the culture and the presence of the NHI, but I can't talk about weapon systems and the technology they're developing.
That's all going to have to be national security stuff because we don't want our enemies to know what we got.
Yeah, he had had an interview with him and he was relaying what was talked about in that interview to another individual, probably his boss or somebody that is going to, you know, pass it on to the rest of the folks in the group or whatever.
I had it recorded just like you would with anything else that's, you know, it's recorded in such a way that it can stand legal, forensic kind of analysis.
That's the level of stuff that you have to do with an Intel guy is you have to be really specific about what you're recording and make sure it's accurate.
Even whether you believe it or not, what's going on, you have to be able to transcribe that word for word the way it goes.
And he was able to give us some insights and stuff like that because we'd have some really strange things like things that were turning at 90 degrees and how do you not break that piece of machinery or not kill the occupants.
And we were hearing stuff like that.
And they had like very technical parameters that I cannot discuss, but they were talking about these and we'd get the scientists to come and talk to us.
And he'd say, oh, yeah, that's this, this, and this.
That was just like the two of them, when I picked up the call and started the recording on it, there was some guy that was there at Wright Pack, and apparently he had been talking to this Eben.
And he said, yep, up today's session.
Yeah, we've got some more information you need to hear about.
This is what is going to happen.
He says that there's going to be another meeting and that if we don't return the equipment and the prisoners, there's going to be some bad things happen.
And then there's other ones that are done kinetically, which is more the scary side of it and the ugly side of the program is that what you've got here is it's not so much the military doing this, but the corporate people like Lockheed, you know, Northrup and all these other companies.
They treat this stuff as very high-value target kind of stuff, and it's very valuable for them to get the retrievals.
So you've got really what amounts to a bunch of treasure hunters that are hired with mercenaries involved as well that go out for these retrievals.
And that's where Jake Barber comes in, is that he sees some of these people that are hired to come out and retrieve this stuff, and he's done that.
So the idea would be that the retrievals would be very valuable because you could back engineer the tech, figure out how it works, make weapon systems, make superior crafts.
Well, Roswell, the most accurate account is the one where the microwave radar waveform upset the onboard avionics inside these craft that these NHI were flying on that day in Roswell.
But if you look at some of the stuff like Gary Nolan said about how, you know, even at the very molecular level, these things are organized very minutely.
So you can imagine what even a flow of electricity, if it affects it wrong or it's at the right wavelength, it does break down the electrical current and the electromagnetic or whatever drive that they might have.
And that seems to be what happened at Roswell is that they actually accidentally went in and were just sweeping like a radar and it caused this craft to crash.
There's actually another person that was approached by the same race of NHI.
And this guy says that they actually recounted what happened is that they thought they were attacked by a directed energy weapon.
And then they quickly found out that no, this was just accidental and that this was some sort of a radar system that just caused their onboard computer to go haywire for just that second enough to cause the crash to happen.
Because if you were going to go visit an uncontacted tribe in the Amazon, you would assume that they have weapons.
You'd assume they have bows and arrows.
And if you got hit with an arrow, you'd be like, this is crazy.
You know, I can't believe I got shot by an arrow.
But you wouldn't be surprised if they have arrows.
Like you would probably write, hey, man, we should be real careful that they might have arrows.
They might shoot us.
So if you're visiting the human race and you're so advanced that in 1947, you can come here from wherever, another planet, another dimension, whatever you're doing.
Wouldn't you know about radar?
And wouldn't you have like a system to prepare yourself for storms?
So you have to think about the timeframe of when this radar stuff was actually being – and besides that, they do not always – I intercepted a different call that states that they do have a periodicity between when they come and go.
I treat this like a segment on the Arsenio Hall show.
Things that make you go, hmm, I'm not sure.
It just seems dumb.
It just seems dumb that radar could take them out.
But one of the things about the Varginia crash, which is another James Fox documentary, which is excellent, which is all about the crash in Brazil, which is like heavily documented, including the guy who handled the body, wound up dying of some unknown bacterial illness that they have no idea what it was.
He was a young, healthy guy.
He carried this, supposedly carried this being, put it in his patrol car, took it to a hospital.
They wouldn't accept it.
Had to take it to another hospital.
And then two weeks later, this guy's dead.
He just got unbelievably sick.
There was nothing they could do to help him.
They flooded him with antibiotics, all kinds of different things.
Nothing worked.
He died very quickly.
When you hear about that story, the big thing was that there was some sort of crazy electrical storms that night.
Well, I think that's true to an extent, but I think also they're very common.
They have things in common with us as well, that they do have, you know, the same sorts of desires to want to live their life well and all these other things are part of it.
Well, it seems like if you want to go and do something, anything, like you want to explore the universe, you want to accomplish things, you want to make technology, it almost seems like some kind of self-acknowledgement or some kind of ego has to be present.
Like otherwise, there's no motivation to do anything.
Like this is the question about artificial intelligence.
We were talking about this and I said, but if artificial intelligence doesn't have any human needs, it doesn't have any, it doesn't have a desire to spread its DNA, it doesn't have a desire to achieve status, why would it do anything?
Why wouldn't it just sit there and just observe and just watch us be stupid?
And maybe it would say logically it would interfere if we were about to blow each other up or something crazy like that.
So whatever it is that made us us, you know, from ancient primates to what we are today, a big part of that is all these needs and desires.
And you got to wonder, like at some point in time, does that get engineered out of the biological system?
And if it does, that system seems like it wouldn't need to explore at all unless it's facilitating a process, unless there's a very delicate process where advanced life forms like ourselves are experiencing this new technology.
And a lot of the people that are in possession of the technology aren't even the ones who created it.
So they have all this insane responsibility, but they've done none of the work and they have power over this technology, which is where we find ourselves today, which is real weird.
Imagine that's a process that all intelligent life goes through as it's evolving all throughout the universe.
Maybe they know this.
Maybe it's a precarious thing and maybe it has to be monitored because like, oh, you know, star 15, remember that third planet?
Yeah, they fucking whacked the whole planet.
We got there too late.
And they realize, oh, that took like four billion years to make intelligent life that could figure out cell phones.
And these dipshits blew each other up.
And now there's nothing but microbes and it's going to take billions of years and it might not even work because they might be too far from the sun by then.
You know, I have to say that on mission that I did get that feeling that no matter where the NHI were mentioned, it was not a copacetic free-for-all exchange of technologies at all.
It was very controlled by the NHI.
If there was a lab environment, the NHI demanded that no human be in the lab while they're there or watch what they're doing and record what they're doing.
And then they would leave and then the humans could come in.
So it's a very precarious little game they're playing.
Yeah, I like just calling them aliens or whatever.
But yeah, I think it happened in the eyes nowadays, you know, that that's when it really started to come because that's when they were saying that this UFO came to Holloman and landed and actually talked to the president at the time and all that stuff.
But if we don't, if we're going to expand out into the universe, which is what Elon Musk says, the fact that we don't have to bring water with us, that's huge.
Bro, imagine if it's like filled with crazy minerals and you drink a glass of Mars water and you just feel incredible, and then we have to ship Mars water from Mars back to LA.
If we do find out that Mars at one point in time housed biological life or maybe there's microbial life or something like that that still exists on Mars, just the climate is so harsh it can't advance past that stage.
That alone would just change our whole view of the universe itself.
Because we would start to consider, okay, maybe this isn't just this one thing that happened.
Maybe the Fermi paradox is just that we don't have the ability to detect all these things that are out there.
Honestly, after my experience in the program, I found that it seems the more I think about it, the more that they are very much like us in a lot of ways, but they have probably a world government that we do not have.
In other words, they can get along in their own society much better than we can, and their former government is not all broken up.
I think if you branch out into the solar system and then into the galaxy, like as you start spreading out, if you do become some sort of an interstellar species, you kind of have to be united as a planet, right?
You got to go, look, all this bullshit about this country and that country.
Let's let it go.
Let's let it go.
I mean, I don't want one world government because I don't trust the government.
But if I did trust the government, I'd be like, one world government is the way to go.
Everybody should have the same resources.
Everybody should have the same access to healthy food and water and clean air.
It should be the same for everybody.
It shouldn't be that you can make an iPhone in China because they can make it for 15 cents because people are working like slaves.
It should be like the whole world has the same rules.
But the problem is you can't trust the government.
So what do you do?
Well, if you get to a point where everybody's so advanced that we don't have all of the same greed and lust and all the bullshit that ruins human society, if aliens get to that point, then it only makes sense that they would operate as a planet.
But then they would have like their interest ahead of these fuckers on that other planet.
Those are the things that inherently make us human.
So the question would be: depending on which anime chow you're thinking about, what inherently makes them them and how compatible are we in what we're looking at?
Because those could be some of the things that attract them to us or detract them away from us.
What I'm interested in is: are there things just like us?
Is this like if you, you know, like there's similar plants that exist in similar ecosystems all over the world where ideally the seeds have never been able to get back and forth.
But they're similar, at least in some ways.
It's just a matter of climate, resources.
These plants, over millions and millions of years, the same kind of plants grow.
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So if this is what's left, maybe some of those unique things that were out there, there's something similar.
Because one of the things that I ponder is there's got to be some grand design because when we see these aliens, whether they talk about it's a gray, it's a Nordic, it's a draconian, or if it's a mantis, they're all standing upright.
So is that a part of the grand design that is as intelligent as you get further up the food chain, you start to stand on your two legs and whatever.
And then I think about if it's a mantis, whatever, how did they build their ships if they don't really have opposable thumbs?
And, you know, those are the things that we're always taught.
These are the things that make us unique as humans and we can build things.
And that's why the other animals didn't, you know, the only other animal out there is what, the chimpanzee or the gorilla or something, primates.
And if you think about it, when they said that the oxygen level was at 30, 35% and some other stuff, they're saying some of these spiders were the size of small dogs.
I'm like, yeah, that's not a place I'd like to live.
But it just seems like that's a superior form of a structure.
So if you get to the point where technology is all done with the mind, right?
We've developed artificial intelligence and quantum computing, and the being has been generated over genetic engineering to the point where it no longer has to have sex to recreate new versions of itself.
It's not sexual.
And so instead, the way they procreate is they do it through design.
And maybe they say, look, it doesn't matter what you look like anymore.
You'd better be, wouldn't it be better if you're hard on the outside?
And, you know, we don't need to use your fingers and thumbs anymore.
We do everything with our mind.
I mean, if it gets to the point, like, this was the thing that I've heard about people that have supposedly worked on crafts is that one of the most remarkable things is that there's no gears.
There's no levers to turn.
There's no buttons.
There's no controls.
That everything is done somehow or another where the being and the craft are one.
While I was talking to Jack Serfati about it, there was a craft that did have some place where the hands were in there, but it was only to sort of do some minor adjustments for the craft is what he was describing.
There's a lot of people that are looking into it now, and they're starting to see that, yes, it's possible.
And I think that's, again, some of the new whistleblowers can shed some more light on to how this happens.
And I think we need to hear a little bit more about these folks that came forward about the psionics team.
And what exactly is this meditation?
What are they linking up with?
Does it feel mechanical?
Does it feel like an entity?
Because, you know, when you hear Jake talk about his experiences, he had a really spiritual experience with one of these things while he was carrying it to the next place.
And I have a question about all those things because if they can get into our minds, my thing is that how do you know that that's not what they're putting into your head?
Because like what they experienced at a Skinwalk Ranch when they saw the creature on the top floor, they said as they approached it, they started feeling fear.
And as they approached it further, the fear just kept intensifying to the point where it was like a physical change in the temperature.
So if someone can put fear into you, why can't they put love into you and all these different things?
And I'm not saying that it's not genuine, but part of being on the task force, you have to question everything.
You know, we can do that to each other through threats.
We can put fear into people.
We can do that.
You know, there's a crazy documentary called Holy Hell, and it's about this guy who was a cult leader.
And one of the things that he would do to these people, he was a hypnotist too.
But one of the things he would do to these people, he called it the knowing.
And he would put his hands on them, and they would say that they would experience God.
They had to be prepared for it.
It was a thing that was very difficult to get.
He had to approve you for it, and all these people wanted it, and they never got it.
It was like a thing he held over your head.
And then when he actually did it, even though this guy turned out to be a complete fraud and the cult disbanded, all those people talk about that moment when they had that experience with that guy and they say it really happened.
And if a person can do that to you by touching you, it just makes sense that some like super advanced being would say, like, what is the best feeling that I could give to this primitive entity that's studying me to let me know, like, don't blow me up, don't fuck with me.
100%.
And this is the best expression that you can have in life.
What is the best expression you have in life?
It's love.
Pure love.
Just pure, just untethered love.
It would make sense.
It would like put that in you so that you would protect this thing.
That's why I came forward, is that I was hearing stuff that actually brought concern.
And the way I kind of package that up is that the military happens to be, unfortunately, the face of humankind here in this situation when it comes to the program.
Because it's definitely not the public.
We're just, you know, errantly having people come forward with, I got abducted, or I saw this and I saw that.
But in the military, that seems to be where there is an interface going on.
I got asked a question, and they said, if you were going to go to Congress and say, here's what we need to know about the UAPA experience, what would you tell everybody?
Because so many groups now have caught on that if they attune themselves to whatever it is, they can talk to these things directly themselves.
Now, whether it's good or bad, but because of the badness that has transpired over the years, more and more people of, like you, you said you don't trust the government.
There's people they don't trust the government at all in this other thing.
So they're like, let's reach out by ourselves.
You've got people doing, you know, RV and out-of-the-body experience and all that other stuff.
You've got people that are being contacted directly.
So now they're trying to say things.
So, and also, too, we're evolving.
So as we're evolving and other things start happening, you have to start questioning, why do we need the government in the middle of this?
Please don't take this the wrong way because people get angry.
It's kind of like the Catholic Church.
I was always told, if you want to talk to God, you talk to God.
But then why do I need a priest?
Right.
You know, so the government's always been the middleman.
So when you're saying that all these people have figured out these methods, how to communicate with the aliens, what you're talking about is like people sitting down.
This is something I'm hearing a lot lately.
Sitting down and supposedly summoning them, putting out like an intention and that they will come.
I tell everybody I'm black and I'm afraid of the woo.
Okay.
But at some point, I know I'm going to have to embrace it because it is part of the experience.
So like I'm good friends with Travis Taylor.
And when we first started talking, he was like, okay, I'd like to talk to you about coming out to the ranch, you and some of your friends, your intel guys.
And we talked about it.
And then I kind of put it up in the room and said, hey, guys, if we had a chance to go out to the ranch, who would go?
And all the white people put their hands up right away.
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All the black people were lucky in the corner going, no, let's think about this.
And I sat there and I go, why is it that we're so reserved about going?
And I remember something that someone told me was when the woo happens, you embrace it, but you don't run towards it because that, whatever that experience is, it was probably meant for somebody else, and now you're interfering when you run towards it.
So if you're one of those people that had a really profound experience with a creature from another world, you can't really explain it to everybody else.
So you're looking for something else to make it seem real because you start questioning everything that you know.
And that's how I was.
My first experience was when I was a kid in England and me and a friend were just throwing a ball back and forward.
And you know, in the old days, people used to wrap the sneakers around the telephone lines.
So I just happened to see that there was some sneakers up there.
And then all of a sudden I look off in the distance and there's this UAP UFO that looks like an iron that you would iron your clothes with.
The whole bottom part was glowing.
The top part was just dullish gray because England, the gray skies were just like.
This is one of the things that I keep hearing about this idea that children and their innocence, they don't have this blockade in their head to keep them from – they don't think it's ridiculous to think about aliens.
So I believe, and this is just my belief, not anybody's, but I believe from the mid-1950s all the way up to the mid-1990s, I think there was a deliberate attempt by these entities to reach out to school children and go into the schools.
Another part of it is based on the actual thing landing and trying to communicate with the kids.
And I sat there just thinking, were they doing that to prepare us for now for when they do come back so we're not so afraid, the kids are more open-minded?
I'm not sure, but you have to think about those things and go, hmm.
So those were some of the things that we just started thinking about and going, well, what if?
And then I hate to play what-if games because my favorite what-if is what if worms had machine guns, birds wouldn't mess with them.
But you have to play that game sometime and just kind of draw it out and then see if it if you have a hypotheses that can start repeating itself and then you go, hey, there is something to this.
Well, the real question is, how long have entities been visiting us?
And are the same entities visiting us over and over again?
Or like the Zimbabwe incident, is that like the first time that species has ever been here?
And did they just seek contact and didn't know that they're dealing with little children in a school?
They just knew they were dealing with a group of intelligent beings that they could communicate with.
They probably don't even have the concept of a school, right?
So if they're landing, I mean, they probably understand basic culture for human beings, but as they land and interact with people, this might be the first time this species has interacted with anybody.
We don't know.
I mean, we're dealing with hundreds of billions of stars just in this galaxy alone.
So all those, all those things that happened to those kids, we don't know if it was, I mean, we're hearing stories now that they can mess with your mind.
We don't know if they're pushing these kids forward mentally.
We don't know if they're dumbing them down because they know that these kids are going to be the ones that are going to make a difference because it all depends on what they're doing.
I have not gone to check any of that, but one of the things that coincides with that, that I kind of, I think there was exceptional people usually have to do some exceptional things to get noticed.
And I think even if you're exceptional, you may not have fit the right block to get to get noticed so that someone would sit there and go, hey, what's going on in your past?
Whatever.
And then there's a lot of these people they just don't want to talk about.
Right.
Because of whatever the stigma.
But now that the stigma is being lifted, you know, who knows?
The stigma's being lifted, but people still live with the haunting memory of the stigma being a part of their life.
So I think people that have had an experience a long time ago, even though the stigma's lifted, they're still reluctant to talk about it.
It's like there's still people that are in the closet.
Like homosexuality is like way less taboo than it's ever been in modern history, right?
But yet there's still people that have been in the closet for 20 years and then trapped.
And they just like, fuck.
And they can't be themselves.
They can't get out.
I think for a lot of people that have had these crazy experiences, they probably had some moments where they told people, friends, and they got mocked and people called them liars.
You're mentally ill if you're on Twitter all day just arguing with people.
It's just the nature of the technology and the very crude way that people interact with each other, which leads you to think that as technology evolves and it gets to the point where we're communicating telepathy through telepathy, telepathically, like supposedly they can, it sort of eliminates the need to even know our language.
They can just come and give us thoughts and express things in a pure way without the need to decipher it through syntax.
But there's still the worry of misinterpretation because my family was pretty religious.
And when I was growing up, they're like, God is omnipotent.
God knows everything.
God doesn't make mistakes and everything.
And then I was like, that's not exactly true.
But if you think that God is omnipotent and He's communicating with everybody, how is it that all the leads of a deserved church have different views on how we're supposed to talk to God?
There's some, you know, very random things that have happened in other encounters, but there's some of them that do seem to be have a concerted effort, a prolonged effort for maybe even millennia because we do see like old stone ancient monuments and monoliths that do have these depictions of what look exactly like grays.
Jamie, you could run that through a Google search so you can find out where it is.
Or I'll do that while you put it up on the screen.
It freaks me out because these people were starving.
These people were like barely getting by, right?
They have stone tools.
And they took the time to draw these things with these weird helmets on and these big black eyes, which is very similar to so many different encounters that people have.
They all describe a very similar thing, a big head with giant black eyes.
So those are the typical grays, but I heard in South America there were people that they showed that picture to, and they called them the ant people because they said they came from underground.
And the vast majority of those children that saw UAP that came down to their school, if there was an entity that was there, it was usually the typical gray-looking ones that were there.
The pictures that we're seeing for Varhinia, this one had red eyes.
And the reason why I'm bringing that up is because a friend of mine contacted me, a mutual friend that we talked about.
Oh, okay.
He was talking about something known as the Dover Demon, and it's over by Dover, Dover, Delaware.
And there was supposed to be an incident where a UAP came down and there was a creature, and it looked a lot like the Vargena creature with the red eyes and whatever.
We told people, so there was a, the game show was we would take a contestant.
The contestant knew that they were going to pull pranks on people, but they didn't know what the prank was going to be.
And so we had a piece in their ear, and we would put them out in the public.
And my thing was that I had to tell them that they are a news reporter and that someone had just seen a UFO and had an encounter with an alien right there in Hollywood.
But the person who was the witness took off.
Would you be willing to go on camera and say it was you?
And everybody said yes.
They all did.
And people had crazy stories.
They talked about being abducted and being on the ship and experience.
Because the thing that we're trying to do is the all-source analyst is to look at all aspects of what happened.
And sometimes people just go in there.
Well, I mean, the thing that really upsets me is when I was part of the task force was someone just handing me a picture and just going, so what is it?
This kind of falls into the area too of when you do see a UAP, something about it is what's telling you that it's a UAP, but you're also looking in your mind's memory bank to say, this is fake.
This can't be real because it's not doing X. It's not doing whatever.
And then sometimes you end up going, it's just not real.
I'm throwing it out of my head.
And then all of a sudden, someone either tells you something that makes you go back and go, oh my God, that thing did that.
So maybe it was real.
Or you see something about it, something weird about it that just triggers you and you're like, oh, OMG.
And now your whole thing, your whole view on the whole universe is changing because you're like, I did.
That's one of the litmus tests I give people when they, you know, because I have a lot of people that ask me, can you vet this guy?
He says he's had an encounter.
And then I kind of go through the experience because, you know, the one that I had in the desert, there was a telepathic kind of a thing that happened during that conversation I had with that gentleman in the desert.
And there's parts of that that people who've only really experienced it, they actually know about, like the residual data or information that's left behind in your own mind, because you're sharing a mind space and things like this.
And there's certain things that when I ask questions of people that, you know, sometimes I can tell right then and there, you weren't there.
You know, that's not my experience.
But the people that do describe it, and I know that they're telling the truth, there's certain characteristics about that communication type that you only get when you've been talking, no kidding, telepathically with right.
There's certain things like in your field, like if you ran into a dude at the airport that was a faker, you know, there's a lot of guys that put on like fake military outfits and pretend they're, and then they get questioned by Richard.
And then I was like, so I did the basics, and then I called up David Grush, and I was like, boy, do I have a doozy for you?
I can't do anything with this guy because there's not enough here for me to do a thorough background check, but boy, you've got to listen to what this guy has to say.
And from there, David took it on, and I was like, he came back to me and goes, well, this guy looks to be the real deal.
You're actually plugging into, like, just like you heard, tapping, telephones, all the ways we telecommute, you know, all the telecommunications type.
We made sure that we listen to radios, we listen to radio waves, all that.
And we gather it all in.
And what we're tasked to do is, you know, say a commander at Wright-Patterson, you know, we went to do, it's always a two-week mission mostly, unless it's part of an operation like Desert Storm, and you stay for a month or two, and then you change out teams.
But two weeks is the standard.
So we go two weeks to Wright-Patterson.
We gather all the information we can on all the telecommunications means, and we also have an OSI team that's trying to sneak in the doors and get into the facilities they shouldn't be at just to test the security.
And that's all we're there for.
And at the end of the day, on the last Friday, we go in and we talk to the staff.
And then about 90 days later, we put in a final report and give that again back to the staff.
And that's kind of how we rolled.
So we're going uprange for those kind of things.
We don't do the telephone monitoring.
When we go uprange to the test range at Nellis, that was what we called red forcing.
And what our job was there is we were also trained to do combat ops against our own pilots so that we could help them survive in a wartime environment.
And that was done at the top of Black Mountain.
And we called that a little schoolhouse there.
And then if you walk up another few yards, there's really those big golf ball looking radars or satellite dishes.
We're up at the very top.
But anyway, that's where we were heading this one day.
So we all packed up.
We're in Beatty, Nevada, which is the Burrow Inn.
I can tell you that's where we always hold up at.
And we take off from there every morning to go do the AM and the PM push.
That's what you call it when the war is on.
You call it the push.
So we had one in the morning called AM push, one in the afternoon PM push.
So we were all heading up for the AM push in a convoy.
There's three vehicles, probably about three to four people per vehicle.
I'm in the lead vehicle with the ranking guy.
He's driving, and I'm right behind him.
And then there's another gentleman in the passenger seat across from the driver.
And then there's a young lady next to me.
And we're all going up.
And the ranking guy had been there the week before, and he had seen the craft fly by.
This was filmed by the operators on the range because we're putting these pilots in a risky situation by playing war with them, but we're training them.
So if there is any kind of a mishap or a pilot or plane goes down, everything needs to be recorded.
This video is being taken by one of these cameras that's up on the range.
And along the bottom, you see that this is also trying to lock on to the craft so it can follow it as it goes in and out because this is the kind of way that you want to track if there's a craft that is having problems.
So the following week after this happens, this video is taken, the ranking guy who had been there the week before and saw this thing flying.
He takes us in this, when you go on the range through this one gate here, it goes up a little ways, and then there's a contonent area.
It's got a very small place where you can change your tires, get gas, just minor maintenance to get your butt home if you have a car that's busted.
And then in the back of that contomment area, there's two huts that look like campers, really, glorified campers.
So the video operators are in the one that's off to the north east of the contonment and in the very corner of it.
And the ranking guy just says, we all have to go in here.
We're going to go talk to the video operators.
We have to do this.
And this was because the week prior, everybody came back to Garrison or back to our unit and they had seen this thing and they were all talking about this UFO.
So we go in there and there's the video operator.
He has us all write our names down, whether we were there and saw it the first week or not.
Then he makes us all sit down and watch that video.
And he says, do you know what this is?
And we're like, no.
And then he just said, okay, thank you.
And then after everybody that was there saw it and had wrote their name down, we were allowed to leave.
And that was all that was required.
And so I was like, well, what was that all about?
Then as I'm exiting, this lady that had been sitting against the wall in the far part of this little hut that we were in, and she grabs my arm and she just says, there's somebody on the range.
Don't talk to him.
And she was really, really freaked out.
And I'm like, thanks, strange freaky lady.
Got it.
And I'm like, whatever.
So we all hop out, we get in the vehicles, and then start taking off towards Quartz Mountain because right at that contoment area, there's a hard right.
There's a hard right that goes off to Quartz Mountain.
And about a mile, half a mile to a mile down that road, it's all dirt road up, by the way.
There's this guy.
It looks like he's wearing a uniform like we are.
He's got battle dress uniform on.
So he sees us and he starts to look like he's running and he's got this really weird run, like his arms are kind of flailing behind him.
It's like he was running against the hurricane wind and it was like he was going to fall over at any time.
And I was like, yeah, it's a bit windy today, but it ain't that bad.
So it looked really strange.
And then I began to notice his skin tone looked like he might be hypothermic.
And I'm thinking, oh, crap, this dude's been out here.
It's freaking freezing out here.
Because it was a very cold day, and the wind was blowing.
It was, you know, those cold days where it didn't matter how many layers you had on.
And so as we're getting closer, I'm talking to the ranking guy.
Hey, we need to slow down.
So anyway, I'm thinking, this guy's probably in big trouble.
I need to pull off my jacket.
I need to give him something to get warm real quick.
So I'm starting to do that.
And we're approaching.
And by the time I get my jacket most of the way off, he's right there at the corner of the front of the car.
And then as I'm starting to open my door to try to, you know, administer aid to this guy, the dude in the front passenger seat screams, he's got no ears.
And I thought that was pretty rude because I was like, the guy's in trouble.
That's, you know, they make those where they it's they're basically radioactive isotopes that stay lit.
So like if you get like a marathon watch, Marathon makes military watches and it doesn't need like this car, this watch, you need the light and it light charges the loom and then when it's dark out, you could read the hands for like a few hours.
Well, there's a three-dimensional image of the craft as well that is really spot-on from what I saw that day.
Yeah.
Because not only did I see this guy running towards us and talking to him, but off the shoulder on the north side of the roadway, that's where the craft was just resting on the desert floor.
And I got a really good look at it at that point.
And this guy did a 3D rendering of the description, and it's like it's spot on as I've ever seen.
I mean, honestly, I'm not an easy guy to get freaked out, but that really put that, like you just saw an alligator pop up out of the water kind of thing.
He thought that that was a good idea, I think, or he was like, hmm, I mean, he was...
He had that kind of, hmm, and he wanted to take action.
So he just, he doesn't really even say goodbye.
He just kind of turns and off he goes back to his craft.
And I'm thinking, well, okay.
And I get back in the car.
And sometime during that conversation with this entity, I remembered looking over at my friends in the car, and they had the weirdest look on their face, like they're all zonked out, totally zombied.
Like they couldn't even, they were just drooling on themselves.
Well, I figured out that maybe it was done by this entity because none of them seem to even remember the incident.
Only a few people seems to remember that we stopped, that we had talked to somebody on the roadway, but it was mainly the people that were in the back of the convoy.
So they'd have a difficult time because this guy stood about a good half foot shorter than me.
And so they probably could see his arms from time to time, maybe catch a glimpse of his face or something.
So they probably didn't get a very good view because if you're looking at me, I'm standing right next to my door and they're behind me kind of almost off obfuscated by just the angle that they're looking at him.
So all the windows are tinted in those vehicles and they can't just see through the windows right to whatsoever on the level.
And as soon as I did that, the guy just disappears and ghosts me.
And I can't, I don't know what happened.
But he was the Rankin guy in the car.
The guy that was the passenger, nobody can seem to find him because they did try to verify the people in the car and I gave the names.
And the young lady that was off to my right, I don't know if they contacted her, but I've heard from other people that were part of this background investigation about my story.
They found two people that verified my story.
And I don't know who they are.
They've been told to keep their mouths shut by somebody.
And I'm kind of pissed about that.
But I think James Fox knows who they are and knows exactly who told him to shut up as well.
I think it's something or an alloy that we don't particularly make a lot of and or just can't make.
But when he spoke about this, the telepathic image was almost like he opened a Sears catalog in my head that had all the specs for this part that he was needing fixed.
And it was the strangest thing.
It like described some of the nano channeling of electrical and electromagnetic stuff that was flowing through it that caused these toroidal energies to emanate on both sides of this piece of the equipment.
I've had, well, once, because in the forum, we have scientists and stuff like that that, yes, were very interested to get me in a room and talk to me about this.
I had people from DARPA wanting to talk to me, people from people from threats departments all over the place that wanted to know more.
And even when I talked to Jack Serafati and Gary Nolan about this stuff, I was telling them things before they even opened their mouth about, like when I talked to Gary Nolan, I just said, you got that part and you know that it has that nano-sized atomic level layering that can't be reproduced unless you actually physically putting these atoms one at a time next to each other.
And he's like, yeah, yeah, that's it.
So I'm telling him this, and he already knew.
But that was the first thing.
And so that's why I knew that what I'd been given in my head, he was giving me that high sign that, yes, that's exactly what I analyzed is that piece of material I had.
It sounds just like what this guy described to you and gave to you telepathically, that there's these really minute little things that create toroidal forces.
They're doing things at a very small level.
And then when I talked to Jack Serafati later, and he's got all these fantastical physics equations about how things work.
And I'm looking through his documents and no, I can't do the math, but I can understand what he's doing with it.
And I just thought I'd ask him, I said, so the smaller you get, because there's always that resistance level when it comes to, you know, putting in energy and then losing it due to, you know, atrophy and all these other, or is that the right word for it?
Anyway, the whole thing was just that when you get smaller, it actually reverses itself.
Is that now you get even more power out of things if you have a small enough energy source that works at a very, it's kind of like miniaturizing a fusion device of some kind.
And then he leaves when he realizes that, you know, maybe there's some other venues.
Maybe me mentioning that there might be a metallurgist on staff somewhere that maybe that prompted him to think, oh, yeah, maybe I should go research this or that, and then maybe I'll find somebody that I could talk to.
Yeah, there was a star map from that day, but it also relates to the lunch hour after we started going back up to Black Mountain.
I had a very strong compunction to go eat my lunch outside, even though it was deathly cold.
And I don't know what prompted me to do that again.
Maybe he was giving me a telepathic message, but after I walked about 150 feet down the road, the dirt road, from the top of Black Mountain, I don't remember what happened after that.
All I have are two images that keep on flashing back.
I remember seeing the schoolhouse from about 150 feet above, or 200 feet above the schoolhouse.
I remember looking at the rooftop, and the only other memory is I've got this star map in my head.
And David Grush made me reproduce that on a PowerPoint slide.
And I handed that in to him because I have no idea what it was.
But he's like, do you understand what this is?
And I was like, no, I have no idea.
He's like, do you know what star constellations are?
I said, I know what the Big Dipper is.
That's about it.
And he's like, this is the constellation Leo.
And I'm like, oh, I didn't know that.
And so he's like, yeah, this is a really close rendition of that.
And I'm like, well, that's kind of cool that I could reproduce it just out of my head.
And then the strangest thing about this, this is what I'm talking about when it comes to telepathy, when you're sharing that mind space, there's some residue memory there.
Because Dave kept pressing me on it, and he said, can you tell me about the red star?
And at first I'm like, well, no, I was like, and all of a sudden some memory came back, and I was like, holy crap.
Yeah, that's where he's from.
That's his home star system.
And he came from there.
That's his home.
And then we just went on from there.
And he said, did you know that they've actually just now discovered a few years ago that there's exoplanets around that star?
And I was like, no, I had no idea.
All these things started coming together at that point.
And that's when they started saying, okay, well, we're going to do some more vetting.
And within about a month or so, they were bringing me to Congress and everything else happened after that.
If you can imagine the entire human race, you and me, you don't have to talk to me, but you can feel my presence.
You can feel who I am, my personality, and share in all of that.
And then imagine that by millions, the entire planet, you can actually commune with them.
It brings with that a level of civility in the control of your thoughts, because right now we don't read each other's minds.
So our minds are like, oh, look at that girl.
Oh, look at that, you know, the sports over here.
There's a football game on.
We're so distracted.
But this guy's, when I was engaged with him telepathically, it was like civility to the maximum.
It was like very courteous.
He waited for me to say.
He'd talk.
And it was like, just like we do.
We have certain etiquette.
But on top of that, there was this part of him that he left me with that was part of the community of the consciousness that he is able to feel all the time.
And that has never left me, is that there's a community of consciousness out there that when they've been living for so many years with this sort of ability, it has changed them for the better because their minds are under control finally.
Their emotions aren't running them like you were talking about addictions and things like this.
They don't run their lives like that anymore because of it.
And if you do, they end up in a criminal list somewhere, I would imagine.
But there was such an ever since then, that feeling of peacefulness and civility is what I've strived for.
Anyway, so anyway, we get to talking about stuff, but we don't know what's going on daily with each other.
It's like I've brought whistleblowers forward to Congress since I went forward, but I don't know their lives.
I don't talk to them every day like I do some of them.
And it's a strange thing.
But the more we seem to be coming out now that we've got these few weeks now where we've got folks like Jake Barber and folks like that coming forward, now I'm starting to piece things together in my mind because now I'm hearing his side of the story because I didn't want to be part of the retrieval.
Well, guess what?
He was on it.
And he's telling that part, and I'm like, oh, no wonder they did that to me.
Oh, that makes sense.
And now I'm making those conclusions now because of what he said.
But then if you try to put us all in a room, we're all deathly scared that some jerk is going to come out of the Department of Defense and shoot us all or do a drone strike on us and kill us all and just have done with it and then get on with our lives again.
So you've got this problem here with us coming forward in a group.
You'd have etiquette if it was a Russian craft that fell.
You'd catalog every part of that crash site, and you'd repatriate the Patriot the dead bodies to where they came from.
We give them back to the Russians in honor.
And here we are.
We've got a civilization just crashed there in Roswell.
And look at what kind of crap we did to them.
And we took all their stuff like it was some kind of a treasure trove, and now we own it?
Hell no.
You're talking about a craft that was manufactured in another part of the galaxy or something that they can't explain.
Nobody knows where it came from.
And here they are treating these people like they're just some kind of a lab experiment.
Let's chop them up a little more, you know.
And then, you know, if they ever got approached by the people that came to look for them afterwards, I wouldn't want to be the person that answered them.
Well, honestly, when I had the telepathic experience, it was very difficult for me to distinguish what emotions and feelings were coming from me as opposed to him.
It was very obvious when he felt disgust about going to ask about things because I was like, well, I'm not disgusted at him.
And I had that ability to go, that's not me feeling that.
I think that was where they probably are trying to bury it even amongst themselves because they know they made some very bad mistakes about that first confrontation that could have been a lot better than what it happened.
Well, the only thing this is, again, when we talk about the Intel analysts and everybody else that was on that forum, it's totally weird that you can go through all these different things as an Intel analyst and say, okay, it's not China.
But, you know, like after the program came out, I mean, not came out, but after James Fox finished editing everything, he sends me, he says, well, you haven't seen everything put together, so here you go.
And, you know, tell me if you, you know, don't like the way you look or whatever.
And I'm going through it, and he starts showing, I see the stuff about Calvin, the Calvin Scotland image.
Have you seen that one?
Yes.
So that image was taken, if I remember correctly, in August 1990.
And the way it was moving in the clouds, it was like, because of the shadow, it was like going from like that color to like dark.
And then light again as it was moving in.
And it would go into a cloud on one vector and come out on another vector.
And I'm like, what, what is that?
So didn't know what was going on.
So I called James back.
I was like, dude, dude, where's this?
Talk to me.
You know, we're all excited.
And he goes, explain to me everything.
And what happened was I got to my unit and I talked to them and I go, we have a weapons tactics guy.
He's, you know, they're the best of the best and they're leading the group.
And I was like, so what is that thing out there?
And he goes, I have no idea what you're talking about.
Now, this is in January of 1990.
That picture is August of 1990.
And what I didn't realize was that the Belgian wave, I don't know if you're familiar with that, a whole bunch of triangular devices were seen over Belgium for almost a whole year.
So they just call it the Belgian wave.
Police officers saw it.
They launched F-16s after them, whatever.
Are there photographs of that at all?
No, but the general that's in charge actually gave a briefing to everybody and showed what the F-16 radar was seeing.
And I guess every time they tried to get close to it, it would just pull away just far enough, you know, that they couldn't catch it.
And then when they would try to cage it in the radar system, it would move to the left.
You know, it was playing with them.
So, but I didn't know any of that.
So I just kind of was like, yeah, okay, I'm stupid.
Maybe it was part of my imagination, but what I saw as a kid kept coming back into my head.
So Dead to Storm happens, whatever.
And I'm at my base, and British AWACS shows up.
And they're looking at me, and I still had my accent, my British accent.
They're looking at me going, what are you flying with the Yanks for?
And I'll go, what do you mean?
They said, you know, and I told him my family thing.
They said, why don't you come fly with us?
I'm like, sure, let me ask my boss.
My boss says, you ain't got nothing going on.
Go fly with them.
So we're flying around.
And finally, I go, I go, hey, guys, what's that thing in the sky that does the ziggy-zaggy thing?
Do you know what I'm talking about?
And they're like, you know.
And I was like, no, I don't know.
Don't play with me.
And they're like, come on, Logan, you know.
And then finally, they pull out this tape and they plug it in and it shows Europe, all the aircraft flying around.
And you see this thing go through the middle of it real fast.
Like all the other aircraft, the sweep of the radar, you're just seeing these minute movements.
This thing is like, it's gone.
And I was like, who's that?
And they go, you know.
I was like, look, stop playing with me.
You know?
Come to find out.
They said, well, that's your SR-71.
And I was like, well, that ain't him.
And they're like, okay.
And then he looks at the other guy and he says, show him the other one.
And they show me this radar scope again.
And this time there's a target in the middle of, not in the middle of the screen, but off to the side.
It was like, could have been like East Germany or whatever.
But every sweep of the radar, he was somewhere else.
And I was like, that guy, I was so excited.
I said, that MF right there.
Yeah, who's that guy?
And they go, you know.
I was like, look, stop this.
I don't know.
And they finally said, we don't know either.
They said, we just assumed it was you Americans playing with us.
I actually had a person that was up there, and she said one of those things came down low and slow over her house.
And she said it had the sound of a helicopter.
So she was like, her and her husband were like, oh, you know, it's a helicopter.
But then all of a sudden they realized, she said, Mr. Logan, were you ever air crew?
I said, yeah, I was in special ops on my phone helicopters and da-da-da-da.
And she goes, when it came down low, it had the sound of a helicopter, but you couldn't feel it.
And I go, huh?
She goes, you know, when you can feel the rotor wash and it's hitting you in your chest, like, boom, boom, boom, boom.
She said, there was none of that.
She said it came down slow, low over a house, and then it went back up.
And then she said it looked like it went back into formation with something else.
And she said, that's not any drone I know of.
And she said, it sounded like the actual noise of the helicopter and several of the other noises from the drones were all pre-recorded just to make them sound like they were conventional aircraft.
And then later on, there was a report that DHS said, oh, one of the drones has come down in a mall parking lot, but DHS is assessed as just a regular drone.
So when you hear that, what are you thinking?
DGI Mavic, something small, whatever.
Someone on X is on a train going by that exact same spot, and they show a drone next to two police cars, and this thing is as big as the police car.
And I'm like, so I have no way of confirming if that's what it really was.
But I have no reason to believe that this particular person was leaving.
He said, he goes, I don't know what you guys are thinking, but I'm passing that mall right now and take a look.
And it's like maybe a 30-second clip or something, and you see this thing.
While he's talking about the disclosure, the one thing I do want to mention is when I talked to that AWACS group, I thought it was kind of interesting because I said, so how many know about this?
And he goes, the whole squadron knows about it.
And I was like, what?
He says, yeah, but we just don't talk about it because people lose their jobs over this.
And I was like, I've heard that as well.
And I was like, so this is an AWAC.
And I said, am I to assume that if you're a British AWACS, then American AWACS can see it, French AWACS can see it, NATO AWACS can see it.
And before I turn to questions, I do have news directly from the President of the United States that was just shared with me in the Oval Office from President Trump directly, an update on the New Jersey drones.
After research and study, the drones that were flying over New Jersey in large numbers were authorized to be flown by the FAA for research and various other reasons.
Many of these drones were also hobbyists, recreational, and private individuals that enjoy flying drones.
In time, it got worse due to curiosity.
This was not the enemy.
A statement from the President of the United States to start this briefing with some news.
Which would have been, could it be that they wanted to see what happens when you fly things over a metropolitan area and you fly a bunch of drones over highly populated parts of the country?
I mean, most of us that are in the intelligence community or whatever, we're going to look at it and say something's not quite right here because this is something domestic happening over the U.S. So would it really require a SCIF?
The federal presence, to me, dictates the fact that if this was innocuous and unclassified, like you're saying, why was there not a press conference that described it and said the hobbyists are out there flying too, and they're just kind of interfering with our lanes where we go and fly normally between one place to another?
That never came out.
So why was the SCIF even mentioned?
That's something that they did release in the press is that they were receiving briefings that were in a classified environment.
If you were the government and you knew that there were non-human intelligence that were operating vehicles above our cities, would a way to sort of obfuscate that, to launch a bunch of our drones as well, and have some shit that you could explain and then tell people, don't worry about it.
And then they have, what, looking for HVTs, like anti-terrorists, or looking for terrorist groups, because we were, I think at that time it went through the press that there was over a thousand of these, you know, jihadists that were in our midst.
But if it's not ours and there's a bunch of shit flying around there and we want to confuse people, wouldn't you have a bunch of conventional drones and fly them low over cities so people could clearly?
Look, assuming you guys are completely accurate about all this, if they have had this information for a long time, I would assume that there's a lot of pressure to never release it.
I think there's probably a lot of problems with lying to Congress, lying to Congress about budgets and allocation of resources for these programs that are all top secret.
Like, how have you done this?
What have you done?
Who's responsible?
Who made that call?
Is that even legal?
And who are you that if you've been in contact with non-human intelligence and you have retrieved crafts, who are you to keep that from the rest of the world?
But I would also imagine if you wanted to keep your job, if you have a high intelligence clearance and you're working for the government and you're a long-time career employee of the government, you want to keep moving up the ladder and keep your fucking mouth shut.
It's an app to report UAP paranormal encrypted events.
And the idea is that we can get multiple people to see the same thing recorded and then look for the outliers and get people like Jacques Valley and Dr. Eric Davis and Hal Putoff and others, the Greybeards, to look at it and say, okay, here's what we can figure out.
Gary Nolan and all these people.
Let's get them the information that they need.
And then after we get them the information they need, let's get it out to academia so we can have kind of like a more organized approach to finding out what's going on.
I wanted people to use my app on the drones.
Some people did, but not enough.
And I had a little bit of a problem because when I put it out on Android, there was only one other app that was close to it that was in the same name.
Go back there, there's like almost 10 apps with the same name, so people didn't know what was going on.
But apparently, according, have you seen the video from Mr. Hall, the guy that was supposed to be the weatherman and actually interfaced with the tall whites?
Well, I can verify the fact that what he said about his position there as a weatherman, that he could walk around anywhere he wanted to, because that's what the base commander told me when I got my orientation drive-through on Dreamland, and he mentioned the weather site, and that that person can walk wherever they want to.
Yeah, he says that the tall whites go through a growth cycle where they're kind of normal height, but they're very long-lived.
They live like 800 years or more.
But when they start getting older, then they get very tall, like seven, eight foot tall, and then they begin to, you know, their bodies begin to not function properly and they die.
So the guy that I saw was probably a young person, you know, probably only like 70 years old or something like that, which is kind of like an adolescent to them or a young adult.
Well, he would actually, as the weather, if you listen to that video, I really encourage you to do that.
But Mr. Hall also published some books on it, but he claims that when he was there at this one place, that, you know, I can verify it's there, that on the other side of that mountain or that hillside, that's where the trail goes off into where the tall whites are apparently have been given an annex of land to live where they don't get bothered.
I tried to, yeah, I'd have to get my laptop out, but yeah.
What does it look like?
It does look like there's some circular patterns.
It does look like there's some possibility that there are some doors inside the mountain that it looks like it's camouflaged to look like it's part of the mountainside.
Yeah, because apparently, according to Mr. Hall, they come here for a five-year stint, I guess, and they have to refuel, and then they have another ship come through, and the other one's refuel fueled, and it takes off.
The only time I got any inkling was that when I was out of the program and other people started to talk to me about all the different things, and they're like, well, how many races are there?
Well, to give it some credibility, I did do some research after that person talked to me because I did see that there is a reptilian race that is very malign like that.
And they even have, according to what I read, this one race has a penchant for blood for some reason.
Right now we're going back and looking at all kinds of different things.
Like they said that maybe it wasn't the asteroid that took out the dinosaurs.
Maybe it was a combination of things like there was some kind of mutation, something that they drank in the water and all at the same time, maybe the asteroid was the catalyst to start it.
And then all these other things that happened after, you know, the fireball, all the other stuff.
But if there was a group that was so advanced that they could sit there and go, that's an asteroid.
It's going to kick our butt.
We better get off work.
Or let's go under, you know, because there's some lizard-looking things that can go underwater and do their thing.
And I was like, but see, for me, the way I look at all this reptilian presence is just like I've read in the Bible.
You know, that for some reason, I feel like this whole experience I've had in my life actually increased my faith in the Bible and God.
Because even in the Bible, it mentions the serpents and that Lucifer being the head of that genre or species did cause the fall of mankind and all this other good stuff.
So to me, I feel like I just got experienced with the reality of the fact that these things exist.
And even though they try to keep it all hidden, that I got exposed to the program where I could see some of it.
And I think that there's some credence also to that side of it as well.
So to give credence to the whole thing is just to say that that's what I believe, but at the same time, it wasn't there.
If you hear any of the stories, they make it sound like he was one of the survivors and he got stuck here and he started working with us and eventually he died in the Causes, but it's all speculation because we're in, you know, we're hearing all this stuff, but we don't have any way to verify it.
But he actually convinced his interpreter or his interrogator to help him escape because the program was trying to get him to open a portal for them and they wanted control of it.
And the guy eventually, the interrogator, actually pushed him into the portal and had surreptitiously given him back to his own home world.
They had recovered parts of one and they were trying to complete it and they were trying to get this being to help them complete the portal so that they could use it for their advantage.
Remember what I was telling you, that story about, you know, let's go get Jimmy?
Yeah.
The rumor that I heard surrounding this was that he convinced his interpreter that if he didn't get back and if things, if he didn't get home, really bad things were going to happen.
And that guy just kind of felt like, you know, hey, I got kids and I don't want society to destroy.
And then when it banked, it turned, and then that's when it sped up a little bit.
And then I lost it in the trees.
Then I saw it two other times.
One time was going to work, and the other time was in 2022 when I reached out to some of the program folks that I used to know to tell them, hey, there's a space on the top secret JWIS computers that they're talking about UFOs.
And I pointed them directly to this delta-shaped craft because I was like, I know what this is, and I know what they know it is.
So I was trying to let them know that you need to look at this imagery that we have our hands on.
And ends up, they ended up showing up with it.
And they showed me flying in flight.
They followed me home the next night and it was right there above my car and I'm looking kind of like.
So this is the other thing that I keep hearing is that we are in possession of technology that is many, many years ahead of anything that anybody could anticipate.
And when we get that, I call that exotic material and/or whatever you want to call it.
But we get our hands on that and about every 10 years we get a breakthrough on it because we do study it and sometimes somebody is smart enough to figure something out.
And the next thing you know, we've got fiber optics or we've got cell phones and we've got transistors.
Now we're nanotech, you know.
Where'd all this stuff come from?
Is some of this part of this NHI presence and that they've taken a patent that was developed inside the program and now these people from Lockheed and Northrop are patenting this stuff and then making lots of money on the outside.
If I'm talking about my mission days, it's only that handful.
And then if you're talking about other things that I've had other people tell me about, I think I've heard enough from enough people that I trust that I think our concept of life in this universe is totally off.
I think there are literally trillions of other life forms.
That's an interesting thing because I always, one of the things that I wondered when we used to talk in the task force was, if this is the, you know, we're the alpha species here on Earth.
So what if what we're seeing is the alpha species from another planet.
Think about what other critters and other things are running around.
And maybe if we see something wild and crazy over here, what if it's somebody who's got a dog-like psycho and all of a sudden this, you know, something goes, you're like, what was that?
You know, we just don't know.
So we can speculate and everything and build all these hypotheses up, but we're constantly looking to add to what we think is out there so we can figure out going, here's what we figured out.
I would say that the way they appear and disappear is interdimensionalism.
And I've had other friends that have had encounters that have talked to me that they could see a larger craft and then it turned and all of a sudden there is a door opening and a creature coming out and yet this other part of the craft seemed to be like a long way off.
So it's like interdimensionally large.
However, you know, when it turns, it's not like our four-dimensional world.
The other thing too about the dimensional thing, because of the speeds that they're moving at, it could be that they're moving so fast, it looks like they slipped into a dimension.
Because sometimes you'll see these things go off into the sky and then do some weird whatever and then they're gone.
And then other times what you're seeing is this thing is moving slowly and then all of a sudden it's gone.
And you're like, did it just slip into another dimension or is that their speed so fast that you can't track it with your eye?
I have heard, yes, I have heard people tell me that they were seeing some of these things moving at 16,000 miles per hour plus and were still accelerating.
I've never been able to verify that, obviously, but these are some people that seem to know what they're talking about and they just kind of come forward.
I would just have, when I was on the task force, I would just get a phone call and said, hey, are you Mr. Logan?
They're like, check your email in about five minutes.
Or, you know, hey, there's something I want to tell you.
And I have no way of verifying it.
But the idea would be to put it in a little box somewhere to say, hey, this is an unknown.
And maybe someone like Jason would come along and verify what this guy just told me or verify what I just saw in a video that maybe he can corroborate on.
We would look at primarily for the task force, we were looking at the safety of the pilots because they were having so many problems and they kept filling out all those safety reports.
And I remember asking the task force director, Jay Strandon, I was like, what about all the commercial stuff that's going on?
And he says, I want to incorporate that, but I can't because with their stuff, we don't have a good chain of custody on what's happening.
And if someone's manipulating the data, with the stuff that's coming directly from the pilots, we can.
So I was always looking at what the pilots told me they saw.
And then me and several others in and outside of the task force were looking through the commercial stuff to see if we could find the same exact thing.
Because that's how I, when I first got it pulled into the task force, it was I talked about my app and I was going to do this just to figure out just something for a hobby when I get older, you know, when I grow up.
And then Lou Elizondo came out with Leslie Keene and their story.
And I went and found Lou and I said, if you're serious about what you're talking about, stop by my office because I just wanted to see if you could do it.
And he showed up with the gang and they presented their story about the pilots and everything.
And we were like, okay.
And I said, well, what about this weird thing over here?
And they're like, how do you know about that?
And I was like, I got friends in low places, kind of like you.
And they looked at me and they said, don't worry, that one's, we've been told that something mundane is nothing important.
One of the things that we keep hearing, Christopher Mellon's talked about this, many people talked about this, is there is evidence that's been classified that is high resolution video and photographs that are very distinct, very different than some of the blurry stuff that we've seen.
Yeah, because one of the things that I think the community really gets hung up on when it comes to the Intel community is that the classification is one thing, but when you don't know if something is a threat, you automatically assign a value to that as being credible or not credible.
And right now they can't draw a conclusion.
Therefore, they don't want to declassify it.
Therefore, it will not be divulged in public because of those reasons.
And I'd throw it out there, and they're like, oh, yeah, what is that?
After about the fourth or fifth visit, no more music.
I come in, everybody's already hunched over what I've already sent them.
They're like, yeah, what is that?
Because we would, Jay Stratton asked us to, he said, lean forward and get out there and use an all-source approach to looking and gathering all the information on what we can find.
So I would capture, like, I would call up a drone guy and say, I need you to come to my office, take a look at this.
And he would look at it and he's like, holy crap, how big is that?
There's the story that he talks about, I think Commander Fraver discusses about the torpedo.
Do you remember that one?
Where the story is that they were launching torpedoes and they blew the ballast on the torpedo.
The torpedo came up to the top and the divers came to hook their torpedo.
And just as they were about to hook it, something very large, like an island, came up underneath them.
All right.
So I get this weird call.
And it's, you have to play devil's advocate because when you're trying to tell guys that they were the observer and you're trying to say, hey, well, you know, it could have been this.
Some of these guys get downright angry.
They're pissed because you're questioning their ability to discern what's going on.
So you have to be careful because after a while, nobody will want to talk to you again because, oh, Logan's an asshole because he, you know, so you're very careful.
So this guy just sends me this thing.
And I'm looking at it.
And I just, maybe a couple weeks before, I'd heard this story with Fraver and Elizondo.
So I'm like, what is this?
And there was this, all I can say was there was something very, very, very large moving under the water, but not too far that you can't see it.
But it's moving under the water and it's passing objects that I know are really large and this thing is bigger than them.
No, in my opinion, I would say that they have been here a very long time and that underneath the ocean and underneath the ground are two of the best places to stay hidden and out of the way of prying eyes.
It's supposed to be 13 nautical miles west of Cuba.
All right.
And it looks like there's triangles and everything else there.
And I'm like, from the moment that thing came out, I've never heard anybody else say, we've been there, we've checked it out, we've verified it, it's there.
He said if you could put out a shout out to anybody that has information on the Varhenia stuff because he's found some new information and he needs to start corroborating it.