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Joe Rogan Experience #2247 - Duncan Trussell
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duncan trussell
Oh shit, I didn't know we had bells.
joe rogan
Yeah bro, we got bells.
It's probably super annoying to people listening.
duncan trussell
It's fucking Christmas.
The war on Christmas must end.
joe rogan
How dare we say Merry Christmas?
duncan trussell
How dare you say that?
It offends me!
joe rogan
Did you ever see Kamala Harris do that?
When she had that speech?
duncan trussell
She said, how dare you say fucking Christmas?
joe rogan
You've never seen it?
duncan trussell
No.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Okay, let's start with this.
Because it's so crazy.
I don't understand the context.
So, like, I wish I could...
Be charitable and say, well, there's probably a context where this makes sense.
duncan trussell
Yeah, Satan is the Lord of the Earth is the context.
joe rogan
But you know, you see something and it's only a 15 second clip and you go like, okay, let me just be the nicest person possible.
duncan trussell
Yes.
joe rogan
Like what could be the reason why you would say, how dare we say Merry Christmas?
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Unless you're playing a character.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
Well, she's on stage doing a play.
She's like, I want to read from my college play where I was the Grinch.
duncan trussell
Can you imagine saying that?
Like, it seems like a nightmare that you would wake up from.
joe rogan
It says, Harris fumed at Americans saying Merry Christmas before illegal migrants were protected in resurfaced clips.
duncan trussell
Oh, you're not allowed to say it until there's absolute peace and harmony on the planet.
Then we can start saying it again.
joe rogan
This is so scolding and weird.
unidentified
Only when they cleared that vet did we give them DACA status.
And now we're talking about taking it away.
It is morally wrong.
kamala harris
And when we all sing happy tunes and sing Merry Christmas and wish each other Merry Christmas, these children are not going to have a Merry Christmas.
unidentified
How dare we speak Merry Christmas?
How dare we?
They will not have a Merry Christmas.
duncan trussell
Who are you to say that?
unidentified
They don't know if they will be here in a matter of days, weeks, and months.
Since September 5th, over 12,000 have lost their status.
joe rogan
Here's why you can't be charitable.
Because it's just a bad perspective.
It's just a bad perspective.
duncan trussell
Charitable?
What do you mean?
joe rogan
Because if you wanted to like, does anything she's saying make sense?
They're not mutually exclusive.
It's like celebrating joy and happiness and some people suffering.
It's like you can't say no one is going to suffer anywhere before I celebrate.
Because that's crazy.
Now you're taking in the entire Earth's consciousness and all of its decisions as to whether or not you will or will not be happy.
You and I didn't force anybody to work in the cobalt mines.
duncan trussell
Not yet.
joe rogan
But we buy these fucking phones.
We buy these fucking phones and we know, we know that electronics that have cobalt in them were probably pulled out of the ground by slaves.
Should we never celebrate anything again until those people are free?
duncan trussell
No.
Never.
joe rogan
Never.
duncan trussell
We should just be shitting in our hands, rubbing in our faces, whipping our backs, until the whole world experiences a simultaneous orgasm.
Then, Merry Christmas to you.
joe rogan
But if you were a drone, so let's just say they really are intergalactic beings, and you're watching all of our hypocrisy and our scolding of each other, and these untested perspectives just...
Jizzed out into the world.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you're looking at all this craziness, like the manufacturing of almost everything that we have that comes from overseas is probably from horrible conditions.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
And we've just accepted that.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like if aliens were watching this, they'd be like, who are they bullshitting?
Oh, they're bullshitting each other?
They're bullshitting themselves?
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
They're trying to figure out how many genders there are?
They're trying to decide, like, who's the most protective status who you can't discuss about anything?
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Currently, that's illegal immigrants?
duncan trussell
Yeah.
Well, you know...
Dude, I don't know why I started doing this.
Highly recommend it.
I started listening because I forgot a lot of the New Age ideas.
So I started listening to New Age channeled audibles.
Aliens channeled through New Age people.
joe rogan
Oh, cheers, my brother.
duncan trussell
Merry Christmas!
joe rogan
We're off to a good start.
Isn't that Seth Speaks?
Isn't that...
duncan trussell
It's a whole genre.
joe rogan
But is that Seth Speaks person?
That's the whole deal behind that, right?
duncan trussell
Okay, so it's...
Again, my mom got into it briefly because she dated this new age dude and I fucking hated it.
He wore Birkenstocks, he'd force us to go on hikes, he wouldn't let me take my fake gun.
You know, you're a kid.
You want to take your fake gun on the hike?
He's like, we don't do that on hikes.
The fucking fascist hike where you're forced to recognize the beauty of nature.
And it's like, dude, don't put that on me.
I'll find it on my own.
But he got my mom into New Age stuff.
And this was prime New Age time.
This is when they all killed themselves.
They were part of it, too.
They were wearing the sneakers.
What were they called?
Heaven's Gate.
That was a new age cult.
So, I remember watching these old grainy VHS tapes with my mom and this dude, and thinking they were cool, like there was some sound that was playing in one, and my mom looks at me like, hopefully, Like, do you recognize that sound?
Because I guess...
joe rogan
Here's the thing about all this.
I think some telepathy is real.
duncan trussell
It is real.
joe rogan
I think it is real.
Have you listened to the telepathy tapes?
duncan trussell
No.
joe rogan
You haven't?
duncan trussell
I haven't listened to it.
joe rogan
It's a new podcast.
It's out.
And it's all about this scientific research that was done with nonverbal autistic kids and their parents.
And they were able to go into another room and they would bring up things to one, whether it was, I think they'd bring things up to the mom or the mom would say things.
The kid was accurate 95% of the time.
duncan trussell
Wow.
joe rogan
With numbers, with colors.
Yeah.
Like, three numbers in a row?
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know how crazy that is, just to guess three numbers in a row 95% of the time?
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, whatever it is, they think it's real.
I'm only on episode two, but it's really fascinating, man, because it's a dismissed thing.
It's a woo-woo thing.
duncan trussell
Sure.
joe rogan
But if it's real, shouldn't scientists study it like it's real?
And it seems like, through scientific study, it's real.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
You've probably experienced it.
I've experienced it.
joe rogan
I think it's an emerging part of human consciousness that we don't agree to, or we don't admit to.
Like, we know there's something there, but we're not like, that's too silly.
It's just, there's so many people that fake it.
That's the problem.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
Because everybody wants to have some special thing that they have.
You just have a special thing.
You have a special thing, Duncan.
You have a special talent.
duncan trussell
I mean, think of all...
Firestarter, Carrie, Stranger Things.
This is the fantasy.
When I was a kid, dude, I would sit when my dad was working in his apartment and try to make shit on the table move with my mind because I'd been reading books on telekinesis.
One day, you know when you've got a cold drink and it gets a little wet on the bottom?
One day as I'm doing that, because of that it slid forward and I was totally freaked out because I thought I'd use telekinesis to slide.
It was just luck!
It was just luck.
joe rogan
It was just a badly balanced floor.
duncan trussell
It was just a shitty fucking apartment in College Station.
Once you recognize the flaw in the operating system in humans, as a kid, for a few days, I was like, shit, I might be telekinetic, but once you know people want that, Or want to believe in it.
And how easy it is to manufacture those moments.
And then claim responsibility.
Holy shit, dude.
You can really pull some strings on people.
Because there's an assumption.
Let's say, I do know, I really believe in telepathy.
I'm positive it exists.
But the assumption then would be, like, you get around a telepathic person.
Well, they must be good.
Because they're telepathic.
Right?
They're magic, so we should trust them.
This is where people get real fucked up.
These are called, in India, they call them cities, which is, if you meditate a lot, you begin to like, well, I would say comedy is a city.
You know, it's not special.
I was talking to Luis Gomez about sales, you know?
That's the really good people in getting your head and getting you to buy shit.
He was saying it's like basically magic.
And it's like, so...
joe rogan
Hypnosis.
unidentified
Hypnosis.
duncan trussell
Hypnosis!
Yeah.
Have you ever been hypnotized?
Yes, I have.
joe rogan
It's interesting, right?
duncan trussell
Dude, my mom hypnotized me when I had a wart.
Because she had heard you could hypnotize people when the wart goes away.
Hypnotized me, said something about the wart going away.
Within a couple of weeks, I swear to you, that wart fucking dried up and just fell off my hand.
unidentified
Whoa.
duncan trussell
Yeah!
unidentified
Whoa.
duncan trussell
What the fuck?
joe rogan
Whoa.
What the fuck?
Well, that's the placebo effect.
The placebo effect is real.
You know, I had a guy tell me this once.
He was like a kind of a wacky, healing, chiropractic type guy.
And he was telling me that if you believe what I'm saying is true, because I was asking him, like, how does this work?
Like, how is this working?
Like, how are you healing people by working on, by pressing on things?
If you believe it works.
So it's a lie.
But if I believe the lie...
So what are you selling?
You're just like fucking manipulating people and saying mumbo-jumbo muscular structural words.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you're doing hypnosis, kind of.
Because you're sort of admitting that by healing, like a person who's going to heal you with words and talking and touching you, they're tricking you into doing it yourself.
duncan trussell
Well, I mean, the placebo effect is real.
I've heard it's one of the most powerful effects in medicine.
joe rogan
Is it really?
duncan trussell
Well, I mean, yeah.
Think of, like, the new cancer drugs.
They tell your immune system what to attack, right?
So if somehow you could do that without the drug, and that's where it gets interesting, right?
Because...
These are our bodies.
Right.
Perfectly metabolizing, transforming so many things instantaneously.
The heart effortlessly beating all the fucking time.
So theoretically, purely theoretically, what if you could control more of it?
Like how much of this thing can we actually control?
And by the way, that's a really fun thing to think about because like Not much.
So, do you ever think about that?
Like, you sort of think like, okay, like I'm, how much of my body can I really do anything about?
I can eat good food, I can exercise, but all the quantum processes that are happening within, all of the things, you kind of realize you're just the tip of the iceberg.
You're just the yappy tip of the iceberg.
And underneath it is all this stuff that is you, But really isn't you if having control of yourself is like a way to identify this as me.
So what are you in that swirl of particulates?
Like, what are you in there?
joe rogan
Yeah, what are you?
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's most people.
And that's one of the reasons why ideologies are so interesting.
Because it's the same thing.
It's the same person.
It's just they've agreed to one thing or they agreed to the other thing.
And it could be how you were raised, or it could be you rebelling, or it could be...
But people find a way to fucking slip into a groove, and it's so much easier than trying to look at, like, what is this?
What is this thing we're doing where I'm making noises with my mouth, you're reading my mind, and we're, like, broadcasting it to the world?
By making noises with your mouth, we're speaking through each other's minds.
duncan trussell
Yeah, and also though, you know, when you get into the telepathy idea, which is sort of like the question is like, You know right now We identify our minds as some kind of neurological process, right?
So the idea is like we have this like Biocomputer and somewhere in there is our mind Everything out here not our mind even though everything out here from a neurological perspective is our mind everything you're seeing is an instantaneous interpretation of a variety of phenomena that gets Compressed into reality.
And then you say, oh, out there, that's not me.
But it is you.
It's like it's you in the way if you put on VR goggles, you know, except in this case, the VR goggles, it's your neocortex.
It's all the processes that are making color, light, sound, etc.
So if we're sort of sharing a dual reality, which is all the phenomena that's being interpreted into our minds, somewhere in there is the possibility that we kind of share a mind.
So, from that perspective, all these other things become possible.
Telepathy, all of this stuff.
Like, you know, you get around funny people, you get funnier.
When I was doing the Midnight Gospel, I was around all these artists, I got better at drawing.
Like, you share a mind.
It's the gestalt, or, you know, where three or two or more of you have gathered there will be.
Something else comes in the room.
joe rogan
I think we're collaborating with something that we don't truly understand because we're still trapped in primate bodies.
duncan trussell
Yes.
joe rogan
So I think we have these moments of recognition of these connections, you know, in great moments in life and these beautiful things that can happen.
And it's all being twisted up by this ape.
This wild ape that had to survive for thousands and thousands of years by killing its neighbors and eating monkeys and fucking running around and clubbing things to death and eating raw meat until it figured out how to harness fire.
And then it had to deal with neighboring tribes coming in with hordes of people with swords and spears.
You had to run for the hills.
They killed your kids in front of you.
They fucked your wife in front of you.
They cut your dick off and stuffed it in your mouth.
And this was...
Thousands and thousands of years.
This thing we're doing right now is so recent.
This thing where you can meet strangers and you don't have to worry about killing them.
It's super recent.
duncan trussell
Dogs aren't there yet.
That's why dogs freak out when someone comes to your door.
They're not there yet.
They still remember the old days.
joe rogan
That's a great point.
duncan trussell
They're still like, dude, usually if someone's coming up, we have to kill it.
And they're reminding you of that.
You know?
And it's true, I mean, but if you look at that collective epigenetic trauma as an egregore, as a ghost, a ghost haunting the planet, the ghost of, like, not that long ago.
joe rogan
Yeah, the ghost of primate past.
duncan trussell
The ghost of primate past haunts us and that's why it's so easy to slide into aggressive patterns and defensive patterns that are completely unnecessary.
joe rogan
And that's what they are too.
This is what you have to realize.
It's not you.
It's patterns that you've selected and you've selected them over and over and over again and they've become you.
It's like you went down a groove.
You don't have to stay on that groove.
duncan trussell
No.
joe rogan
You don't have to.
But I think you have to find something in life that's physical that you enjoy.
Because I think that's one of the best ways to manage this fucking weirdness.
The absolute best way is through getting physically exhausted.
Get on purpose, get physically exhausted, and then you can manage the crap.
Right.
Of existing.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because everybody wants to pretend that it's normal.
Everyone wants to pretend that existence is like, oh, you know, you get up in the morning and you fucking have your eggs and your bacon and you do your thing.
duncan trussell
Did you hear what Chapel Rowan said?
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
It's like every day.
It's like, oh, my God, this is happening.
What do you think the drones are?
What do you think the drones are?
unidentified
You know, how much did Nancy Pelosi make this week in the stock market?
duncan trussell
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right.
joe rogan
What are we doing?
duncan trussell
Did you see the new shit that they found out about consciousness in the human brain?
This popped up on my feed.
This dude Penrose, this guy used to be an anesthesiologist.
He already knew about these neurological structures that are these quantum tubules that apparently anesthesia impacts.
And he began to think maybe consciousness is not associated as much as we thought with the With neurons, but as a microstructure within the brain, these quantum tubules that get shut down when there's anesthesia.
And so there's this new controversial sort of emergent theory of consciousness, which is that when you are awake, You go from being a wave to a particle.
In other words, whatever you want to call it, the I am, the all one situation that we actually are experiencing gets compressed into a particle, which is your experience of reality.
But when you fall asleep, when you take enough acid, you go into a superposition.
When that's that feeling of being connected to everything, part of everything, not even being there anymore.
So we're those things simultaneously.
And I guess as far as the default reality that you're talking about, that's a situation where it's a bunch of particles that have focused in on like a buffet.
Of moments that the news curates.
So the news is like, okay, beam out at this person.
This person's wrong.
This person's right.
Here's what you should be afraid of.
Here's a celebrity that sucks.
joe rogan
That's the whole business model.
duncan trussell
It's the business model!
joe rogan
And that's the way we get the news.
duncan trussell
That's it.
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
And sponsored by pharmaceutical drug companies.
duncan trussell
There you go.
Exactly.
joe rogan
And everybody else.
I was watching a regular movie the other night.
I was in a hotel, and so the only thing they had in the hotel was regular movies on TV. TV. Yeah, yeah.
So I was watching John Wick on TV, and it's every five minutes.
duncan trussell
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
You're bombarded with nonsense.
They stop the show and give you five minutes of nonsense.
duncan trussell
That's right.
joe rogan
Just nonsense and side effects.
duncan trussell
It's unnerving.
And also when you realize we think the show is John Wick.
That ain't the show.
The show is the nonsense that's happening in between John Wick.
Because when you go out, when you're watching a good movie, you relax.
You calm down.
You open up.
It's the perfect, perfect state of consciousness to manipulate people.
joe rogan
I also thought it was incredible that they bleeped out all the bad words when the commercials were far more offensive.
They bleeped out fuck!
They bleeped out this...
I was like, how are they gonna handle this scene?
Because there's this scene where the Russian mobster, his son, comes home from this job in Atlantic City and after he did this thing with John Wick, and the guy's like, who the fuck is nobody?
unidentified
He goes, that fucking nobody is John Wick.
joe rogan
And it's like the whole setup of John Wick.
And it's that...
Nobody.
I'm like, no!
You're gross!
duncan trussell
Can't say fuck!
joe rogan
You took out the fuck, but meanwhile you're telling me about a bloody diarrhea that might kill you if you take this drug.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're telling me about side effects that are like suicide.
Like all kinds of like wild shit, depression, anxiety, fear, violent tendencies, gambling addictions.
duncan trussell
This is, so when you think about the idea that if, you know, a group of witches is called a coven, a group of Christians is called a church.
The idea is sort of simultaneous prayer causes change.
Now there's different words for it.
Some people call the prayer spells.
Some people call the prayer a pep rally.
We're gonna Go, go, go!
You look at the football game, you're seeing covens of witches cheering to direct energy at the team they want to try to like move the needle a little bit.
But when you consider the power of directing little bubble universes, which is every single human, focusing that beam of attention onto certain ideas, Dude, not only are you going to create whatever it is you want to create in the case of an advertiser make some money, but theoretically you could guide history that way.
And the last thing you want them to figure out is if they all stop focusing on what you're telling them to focus on and trust themselves enough to focus on what they want to focus on, which is usually not bad.
Then, all of a sudden, you would lose that kind of magical control.
You lose the actual steering wheel of the weird vehicle we're in.
They're like, it's democracy.
The steering wheel is your vote and the president and the elected officials who guide the country.
But the real steering wheel is here's what we're going to get you to pay attention to.
You need to pay attention to this right now.
And if we all pay attention to that, where attention goes, energy flows.
joe rogan
You know what I think it is?
I think it's like if we're in a factory, If we're in a factory and there's certain gears that turn certain machines and they think they're the only thing that exists.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's a chain of things that have to take place in order to manufacture something.
Like a Tesla.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If we just don't realize it, but if everything has a consciousness, at least in some sort of a limited capacity, literally everything, even tables, everything has some thing, we're super egotistic, and we believe that only we possess this.
But we know dogs have it too, where it gets weird.
Animals have it, we know that.
This whole thing that we're doing is trying to understand How we interface.
How are we doing this?
If we're in a world where it's 2024 and there's drones flying over New Jersey and they're gaslighting us saying they're all airplanes.
They're saying we have it under control.
And then it appears there was a satellite that we shot out of the sky.
Have you seen that?
duncan trussell
No.
joe rogan
No, you haven't seen that?
duncan trussell
I missed it somehow.
joe rogan
So this is the big conspiracy.
And again, I have done no research.
So do not believe me, ladies and gentlemen.
duncan trussell
Okay, Alf!
joe rogan
The big conspiracy is that these are Chinese drones, and they're being piloted by a satellite that they shot out of orbit.
And this is a conspiracy?
Unfounded conspiracy?
duncan trussell
Unfounded.
joe rogan
But I'm just, for funsies, for funsies.
duncan trussell
Well, I mean, do you remember when those weird green fucking lights showed up in Hawaii?
joe rogan
Well, I remember where there was a ship, right?
And there was like these triangle-looking things that were flying over a ship.
duncan trussell
No, those laser lights that shot out of the sky.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
duncan trussell
Remember that?
unidentified
That's right.
duncan trussell
That's right.
joe rogan
What was that?
duncan trussell
What are the drones?
I mean, that's what I love about the drones is, I mean, aside from the obvious, like, you know, getting to imagine, fantasize, it could be they're chasing orbs and the orbs or whatever.
What I love about the drones is that...
It's another step in shaking people awake.
You know what I mean?
Because it's like, part of living in default reality, I think, is you sort of lean into the idea that the government is, you could trust.
You can trust the government.
Of course, like you have to.
joe rogan
You can trust the people that make the weapons.
duncan trussell
You can trust them.
joe rogan
They're really good guys.
duncan trussell
Yes, some of them, you know...
joe rogan
Are hyper-violent, whatever, whatever.
duncan trussell
Yeah, but ultimately, we can trust these people.
And so then, you have over fucking New Jersey, experimental vehicles that people are filming.
Welcome to Earth, bitch!
Did you see that one?
And it's so funny, people in New Jersey reacting to them.
joe rogan
Did you see the guy shooting into the sky at the drone?
duncan trussell
Yeah, of course.
I mean, I'm surprised more people haven't.
joe rogan
Well, the problem with that, you fucking idiots, is that bullets fall, okay?
And they fall with almost the same kind of velocity.
I mean, I'm sure they lose a lot of steam, but it's enough to kill people.
People have definitely died from bullets falling from the sky.
duncan trussell
You know what else falls?
Drones.
Experimental fucking drones.
The government's flying over fucking New Jersey, hoping those fuckers don't crash.
They're apparently half the size of a car.
Some of them are bigger, bro.
joe rogan
Some of them are suburban size.
duncan trussell
They're like SUV size.
Flying over houses.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
duncan trussell
So it's just like, no, listen.
Number one, most of what you guys are seeing, it's stars or you're seeing commercial vehicles, mostly.
And the other stuff, we don't really know.
So at that point, you're like, wait a minute.
I'm paying almost half of my income in fucking taxes so you know what the car size mystery things flying over the cities are.
And you don't know what that fucking is?
What am I paying you for?
You know what I mean?
You're making a lot of money, man!
You should know what the drones are!
But then when you see, what's his name?
Is it Bolden?
joe rogan
The guy with the mustache?
duncan trussell
Not Bolden.
When you see, I don't know, the DOD dudes up there and the way that they're just lying their fucking asses off.
Did you see the press secretary talking about it and she's wearing a necklace that looks like a UFO? Is it Corrine Jean-Pierre, that lady?
Not Jean-Pierre.
It was another one.
A new one?
joe rogan
How do they just shuffle new people in without announcing?
duncan trussell
No, I don't think they got rid of Pierre.
joe rogan
Okay.
duncan trussell
I hope not.
joe rogan
Because most of them don't last as long as Pierre.
She's like the marathoner.
duncan trussell
Oh, dude.
joe rogan
Most of them, they quit that job.
They're like, fuck this job.
I just gotta lie all the time.
duncan trussell
Horrible.
adam ray
Imagine, like, Duncan, this is what you're going to sell.
joe rogan
War with Sudan.
Here's the reason why.
The rebels, children, problems, economy, pollution.
We've got to vaccinate them.
duncan trussell
We can tell this.
There's a lot of data right now.
What about the data showing vaccinations are bad for you?
joe rogan
No, no, fuck that data.
These people are in trouble, and we need to help them.
We need to help them.
So war, Sudan, war, Sudan.
duncan trussell
War, Sudan.
Got it.
Okay, no problem.
joe rogan
You just put on your Rachel Maddow glasses.
duncan trussell
The Rachel Maddow glasses!
joe rogan
Everybody's wearing them to look super serious.
duncan trussell
Well, it's part of the costume, isn't it?
It is.
unidentified
We're wearing costumes while we're saying this.
duncan trussell
We are in elf costumes!
But yeah, I don't understand the Rachel Maddow glasses phenomena, but I have done research into it because I wanted to create a vision board of all the people wearing those glasses.
And it's a thing.
It's like a thing on the left.
They wear those fucking glasses that identifies that you have a certain set of beliefs if you're wearing the Maddow glasses.
I mean, it's a real thing.
joe rogan
It is a real thing, yeah.
If you have those glasses on and you're a Republican, you're an assassin.
You're a guy who kills people for a living.
You're a very strange person.
duncan trussell
Dude, isn't that...
But that's, to me, the Invasion of the Body Snatchers experience.
Have you seen that movie in a while?
The remake?
joe rogan
I saw the remake, but it was a long time ago, right?
Wasn't it like five years ago?
duncan trussell
How long ago was it?
I think the one I like is from the 70s.
joe rogan
Oh, the Donald Sutherland one.
duncan trussell
Yes.
joe rogan
Yes, that one's amazing.
unidentified
Amazing.
duncan trussell
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
They point at you and make that noise.
duncan trussell
Oh, that's it.
Oh, Sutherland killing it.
joe rogan
Look how creepy his eyes are.
duncan trussell
Yeah, that's it.
joe rogan
Bro, can you imagine?
Can you imagine?
Can you imagine that reality?
And by the way, not that hard.
You know what's way harder than that?
Building a planet.
There's plenty of planets.
That is not that hard.
That is essentially what happens all the time in the insect kingdom, where they get infested by another parasite that controls their brain.
duncan trussell
There you go.
Dude, I went down a deep rabbit hole with this shit because I was looking right after Trump won, which by the way, I want to remind you, I'm sorry, I don't want to pat myself on the back, but when we were hunting for Bigfoot, do you remember I said to you, one day you're going to get a president elected?
joe rogan
Did you say that?
duncan trussell
No.
joe rogan
Back then, that would have been the least likely scenario.
I'm in the woods with the Fear Factor guy.
unidentified
And we're legitimately looking for Bigfoot.
duncan trussell
Legitimately.
joe rogan
Legitimately with Bigfoot experts.
duncan trussell
Dude, that was one of my favorite camping trips I've ever had in my life.
joe rogan
It was fun, dude.
I would love to do that again.
duncan trussell
We had so much fun.
Hunting for Bigfoot, it's like because hunting for animals, which I know you love, I have nothing against it, but you still got to kill an animal.
Hunting for Bigfoot, you just like look for a twig out of place and you get to imagine he's nearby and that it's really fun.
Squatching is fun.
joe rogan
Somebody asked me if I saw Bigfoot, would I kill it?
Because if I could kill it, then I could show people that it's real.
duncan trussell
Interesting.
Interesting.
Would you?
joe rogan
No.
Why would I kill Bigfoot?
Why would you do that?
It doesn't make any sense.
Just to prove that it's real?
Well, guess what?
Guess we can't prove it.
There's no other way.
It's not like I tell you where it happened and you fucking close off a thousand square miles and start pushing in with soldiers.
Don't kill it.
Why would you kill it, stupid?
I'm telling you where it is.
Why do you want me to shoot an arrow through it?
Why don't you just trust me and spend a billion dollars on drones?
Imagine, like, why did we spend all this money?
Oh, Joe said he saw Bigfoot, and so we went looking.
duncan trussell
But by the fucking way.
joe rogan
No one would spend any money to go look for Bigfoot.
duncan trussell
If you can fly a swarm of drones over fucking New Jersey.
joe rogan
You could find Bigfoot.
duncan trussell
You could fly them in the Pacific Northwest and we'd know once and fucking for all.
See this, you know, they talk about democracy.
Sometimes I like to think about what would actual democracy look like?
And you know, it wouldn't look like some dude getting in front of a microphone and gaslighting your ass about experimental craft.
It would be like, alright, I'm just gonna tell you guys, we figured out anti-gravity!
That's anti-gravity drones!
We wanted to show you, and tomorrow we're gonna drop ketamine on the neighborhoods.
Democracy!
But you know what I mean?
That would be true democracy versus what we have right now, which is sort of democracy.
It does work.
The voting works and all that stuff, but ultimately, our impact...
The non-political class's impact is very little.
And the political class's impact is very little when you consider now there's a security class.
So you have the politicians, like Harry Reid, trying to figure out what the fuck is going on with the UAPs, and even they can't do it because there's another level.
And that level is like...
Those are the people controlling things because they know the secrets.
It's just so infuriating to me that now they feel comfortable enough to fly whatever the fuck these things are over a major city and not tell us what they are and then say we don't know what they are.
Because if the reality is they don't know what they are, if we're going to believe them, which I guess you're just not supposed to...
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Are you supposed to?
duncan trussell
No, I don't think you're...
I think at the point where they're just telling you it's like stars...
joe rogan
Okay, but let's be honest.
If you are in possession of the actual information, you know what it is.
You know it's China, or you know it's aliens, or you know it's a combination of both, or it's US government, or it's all three.
Maybe it's all of the above.
How the fuck do you tell people that?
How do you tell people that while you're also governing?
You're also doing all these different things.
You're very busy.
How does the president get on television and say, ladies and gentlemen, aliens are real?
We are being visited on a regular basis by non-human intelligence that is far superior to our own.
duncan trussell
Sure.
joe rogan
We don't understand why they're here.
We have been working with them.
We have back-engineered their products, and that's how you got fiber optics and capacitors and all these things that sort of emerged after Roswell.
That's the most fun one.
duncan trussell
You were bioengineered.
They seeded your culture with your religions.
joe rogan
Everything.
duncan trussell
It's for a good cause.
Everything.
unidentified
We're a piece of the fucking factory, dude.
joe rogan
That's what we are.
We're a piece of the factory that doesn't recognize that there's a whole other building connected to this that's filled with machines.
duncan trussell
We're a piece.
So that is exactly what you want pieces of your factory to think like.
And that is why, at any moment, anybody can actually just turn the channel.
You're not a piece of the fucking factory.
Actually, you're the universe.
joe rogan
You are the universe.
duncan trussell
And you're the universe who has been...
Dude, I mean, look what they could do to lions.
At a circus.
This deadly fucking thing.
They can make it jump through hoops.
They can make it catch a frisbee.
Right?
joe rogan
Most of the time.
duncan trussell
That's right.
joe rogan
When they can't.
Those make for some wild Instagram videos.
duncan trussell
Oh, they do.
joe rogan
There's a lot of those out there.
duncan trussell
There is.
It's the assassination of a fucking CEO. And by the way, I am not assigning any kind of...
I think it's a slippery slope if we start publicly fucking executing CEOs.
You know what I mean?
That's a real slippery slope.
joe rogan
It's super slippery.
duncan trussell
But I'll tell you.
If you sort of look at the factory, the way it works is, number one, you really aren't supposed to identify the actual, what's causing a lot of suffering.
Once you start making those identifications, then And you follow through with some kind of action based on those identifications.
Number one, the action can't be based on the rules of the factory.
Of course the factory is going to create rules.
You can go out with your fucking signs or whatever if you're at the right place.
Not at Amazon where they arrested those people protesting.
But there's places in the factory where you can go and be like, I need more oil.
I'm squeaking.
But only once in a while and only in the right way.
It's a peaceful protest is what we call it.
You do it at the wrong time.
It's a fucking insurrection.
You know what I mean?
So the factory's got rules about how we do this.
So the moment you go outside of those rules, the moment you like actually, and to do that, you have to somehow really think outside the factory, then you see something like that happen.
And then you see the way the factory responds, which is the perp walk they did with that dude.
They've got fucking SEAL Team 6 walking that guy in.
joe rogan
He's handsome.
duncan trussell
It's like a movie.
joe rogan
In a movie, if you saw that handsome guy getting arrested and there was like SEAL Team 6 behind him protecting him, you'd be like, that's no way they would do that.
duncan trussell
That's right.
joe rogan
It's just a regular killer.
There's no way they would have that many guys guarding that guy.
duncan trussell
Well, they're not guarding that guy.
Look at that.
They're sending a fucking message.
They're saying, listen, we will surround you.
Because what's really scary about what he did is...
And I think if you want to take murder, cold-blooded murder, and just for a second call it activism, what that guy did is he didn't just...
Send a message, which is really scary for people like CEOs, which is saying, listen, man, you can't keep fucking us with the insurance.
If you do, you're not safe.
And so that's scary as fuck, because the CEOs, of course, are the ones who pay for the lobbyists, who pay for the laws.
And so he sends a message of a methodology, which, again, I think...
If we're going to get into a better place using violence, I just don't think that's the path.
But just as an analysis, dude, I would say you could expect more of that to happen, and that is going to lead to the Darth Vader people coming out more.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're not cosigning it.
duncan trussell
I'm not cosigning it at all.
No, no, no.
joe rogan
It's a realistic assessment.
There's something going on.
People are very upset.
And they've been able to do this to people for so long.
Deny people treatment for so long.
duncan trussell
Like you remember when your dad had to come downstairs?
Like you're fucking up or you're like misbehaving with your brother.
You're doing something really bad.
You set something on fire.
Your dad comes downstairs.
He's been at work.
He's fucking pissed.
That's how you know you're really fucked.
When people start doing stuff like that...
Then the dad has to come downstairs.
And when the dad comes downstairs, it looks like the dudes in the Darth Vader outfits.
All of a sudden, this facade, for a second, they have to stop the show, turn on the fucking lights.
These guys in fucking full body armor come out, spray...
Chemicals into your face and drag you away and then all right start the show up again start the show up again It gets memory hold so that that is an example of what happens when the factory is imbalanced and right now the factory is imbalanced, dude It's just that's the problem.
There's a reason we need the middle class There's a reason you need some path forward that is there's a reason you need to be able to buy a fucking house and Aside from like the human comfort and starting a family and all that stuff The moment you pull that away from people, now what?
It's like, so wait, what am I supposed to do here?
Now, again, I'm not advocating violence.
I think that if we keep doing violence, we're going to keep getting violence.
But it's a really scary thing when shit gets so imbalanced.
And when you hear about the health insurance, I'm lucky because I'm on Crappopolis on Fox.
I have incredible health insurance, dude.
But you read about the people denying really important medication, really important procedures to people, sending them stacks of paper explaining why we're not going to pay.
You know, I got my colonoscopy recently.
It cost me $100.
You know how much they charge my insurance company?
$9,000.
joe rogan
Have you ever talked to Brigham Bueller about this?
duncan trussell
No.
joe rogan
You should.
You know, because he understands it from top to bottom.
He can tell you exactly what's going on.
He's talked about it on the podcast.
But it's, you know, it's a giant machine.
It's a giant money machine.
duncan trussell
That's right.
joe rogan
That's really what it is.
It's not really about making you better.
It's about, it's a giant money machine.
duncan trussell
That's right.
joe rogan
Making you better is what they sell.
But it's about making more money.
duncan trussell
That's right.
joe rogan
And they can make incredible amounts of money for surgeries that maybe you don't need.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, I'm not saying everybody does it, but some people do it.
There's a guy that just got arrested recently.
I don't know if you heard about this guy.
I sent this to Peter Attia.
I could send it to you, Jamie.
Or maybe you could find it.
This dude, he was telling people they had cancer, and they didn't.
And it was like a ton of cases.
And he would give them chemotherapy, man.
And he'd make them severely ill.
duncan trussell
Yeah, demon.
joe rogan
He did it to like...
I don't remember the number because I think the number stunned me so much I didn't want to remember it.
But this guy told a ton of people they had cancer.
Just scared the fuck out of them.
Ruined their lives.
And then gave them poison that's designed to kill cancer.
jamie vernon
Is it like 10 years old?
joe rogan
It could have been.
Someone sent it to me on Instagram.
It was a news story.
duncan trussell
Oh my god.
joe rogan
That's all he got was 45 years?
jamie vernon
That's a pretty long time.
duncan trussell
He's 50. That's a life sentence.
Well, yeah, man.
joe rogan
I don't know if this is the same guy.
Maybe more doctors.
You know, this is one of the things that I found out.
I was doing a bit about this fertility clinic doctor that was using his own jizz.
That's not one case.
There's a fucking shit ton of cases.
I wonder how many of these doctors...
There's creepy doctors.
Just like there's creepy carpenters.
Some doctors don't give a fuck about people.
duncan trussell
Why do they use their own jizz?
They want all the babies.
joe rogan
They want everyone to have their baby.
They're just psychos.
duncan trussell
People aren't coming in.
joe rogan
No, there's women that went in with their husband's jizz.
And he's like, eh, I got a better option for you, sweetheart.
That's what this guy did.
He ran a fertility clinic and I think people started figuring it out when 23andMe came around.
And this is just one of these guys.
There's been a ton of those guys.
That fundamentally is the difference between men and women.
Could you imagine a clinic where a woman was getting other people to carry her babies?
duncan trussell
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
Not a chance in the fucking world!
No woman would want that!
Yeah, take my baby.
You take my baby.
I trust it with you.
unidentified
The guy I don't even know, have a baby with me.
joe rogan
Have the most precious thing.
You can have it.
It's literally the fundamental difference between men and women.
That a guy could run a sperm clinic and think, I'm gonna get away with everybody having my babies.
And he doesn't give a fuck what happens to those kids.
duncan trussell
Because they might fuck.
joe rogan
They might fuck, they might not know, they might find out, 223 and me, they're cousins.
Like, holy shit, we're cousins?
And then you find out everyone's a cousin?
Because this creep's been just using his own jizz for 35 years.
duncan trussell
Dude, that guy could be like, you know, based on the depopulation that's happening, based on population decline, that guy could be like the next Genghis Khan.
Like, in the future, like...
80% of the planet's related to this dude.
joe rogan
I think he's got a lot of catching up to do to get where Genghis Khan's numbers were.
duncan trussell
I mean, it is interesting.
It's like, you know, you read Elon Musk is the top Diablo player in North America, right?
joe rogan
I think in the world, dude.
duncan trussell
In the world.
joe rogan
I think he's the number one in the world, which is fucking insane!
duncan trussell
And dude, I know you, and I'm not trying to high-road you here, but unless you've played Diablo 4, you can't understand what that is.
joe rogan
I absolutely accept that.
I do not understand what that means.
duncan trussell
It is insane.
Like, when I was addicted to that fucking game, like, I just wasn't sleeping because, you know, I had to do dad duty in the day, Diablo at night.
And I was, I sucked.
So when you realize this guy, shooting rockets into space, making e-vehicles, starting a new fucking department of the government...
Is also the top!
It's so crazy!
It's the one time I actually let myself think maybe he actually is an alien because there's just no way, unless he's paying people to do it for him, which obviously he's not, that is insane, man.
That is insane.
So, dude, when you consider, I don't even know where I was going with that.
I got lost in Diablo 4 just thinking about it.
joe rogan
Well, we were just talking about how he's the number one player, how preposterous it is.
That I don't know.
I don't play Diablo 4, so I really don't know what that means, but I believe it's huge.
You know what I'm saying?
duncan trussell
It's crazy.
It's crazy because, you know, Diablo 4, it's all about your build.
It's all about, like, eye-hand coordination is obviously a big part of it, but then it's just...
And then you see the chopsticks catch the fucking rocket.
joe rogan
Yeah, oh, that's a side job.
Side job, he's had more space innovation in the last five years than NASA has since the Apollo missions.
duncan trussell
It's amazing.
joe rogan
I mean, I'm just saying that.
I don't know if it's a true number.
But he gets rockets to land, and rockets get caught with robot arms.
Like, what?
duncan trussell
And that, to me, it's like, my God.
You know, you get those feelings like, okay, I'm on the right timeline.
Because if the guy who's going to make us a galactic civilization is also a Master Diablo player...
joe rogan
The number one.
duncan trussell
We're in the right timeline.
joe rogan
It seems so unlikely that if it was in a movie, I'd go, shut the fuck up.
duncan trussell
Shut the fuck up.
joe rogan
He's not the number one Diablo player.
I don't care how smart he is with rockets and electric cars and satellites that give broadband internet and tunneling under the earth and also owns X. It's suspicious, I must say.
And he's tweeting 48 times an hour.
He's so prolific.
duncan trussell
Where's your head?
joe rogan
He's in another dimension.
duncan trussell
He could be bilocating.
This is one of the ideas.
joe rogan
Where are you actually physically?
Is this an avatar?
duncan trussell
Okay, here's something.
joe rogan
He fully believes it's a simulation, by the way.
duncan trussell
Oh, he does?
joe rogan
Oh, fully.
Not only does he say fully, but he says the chances of it not being a simulation are in the billions.
duncan trussell
I mean, okay, so we talked about this in the green room.
Willow, the new quantum chip that Google has, right?
Yes, yes.
And I think you and I both do the same thing with our minds.
I think anyone who is exposed to the Atari 2600 does this naturally, which is like, we played the Atari 2600. Did you have an Atari when you were a kid?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
duncan trussell
And you remember how that blew your mind, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
duncan trussell
You control the thing with a joystick.
unidentified
Crazy.
duncan trussell
It was insane.
You can control the TV. Little buttons.
unidentified
Chw, chw, chw, chw.
duncan trussell
What the fuck?
Yeah, incredible.
You'd been going to arcades.
You could only play for a second.
You didn't have enough quarters.
Suddenly, you could just do it at home.
joe rogan
You could play until you fainted.
duncan trussell
Oh, my God.
And so we got to witness every phase of that technology to where it is now, which is just fucking insane.
And so you just take the Atari 2600 model and apply it to any new thing.
And so you think, all right, what's it going to look like in 10 years?
Then you take Musk's.
Neural lace, some kind of brain-human interface, mix that in with some quantum chip that, yeah, right now, right now it's apparently unstable.
It's like you got to keep it at, like, you have to keep it at the low, I don't know what it's called.
It's like colder than space or something.
Like it has to be basically below freezing.
And then suddenly it can do things that all the supercomputers on the planet couldn't do.
But you know There's a trajectory here between the human brain and this technology, and it's getting closer and closer and closer together, meaning that we are, and you know, a lot of people are like, look, that's probably like 20 years away.
That is not that long.
When did Teen Wolf come out, man?
joe rogan
I don't think it's anywhere near 20 years.
I think it's way closer than that.
duncan trussell
That's right.
So that, to me, when you just do the math and you realize Humanity is about to merge with a thing that is solving equations that all the super, take a supercomputer, what is it, double?
joe rogan
Septillion amount of years.
duncan trussell
That's going to be us.
joe rogan
Yeah.
duncan trussell
And so then, to answer the simulation idea, of course we're in a simulation.
If we were just monkeys, and now we are using qubits, Using superpositioning to create some infinitely faster way of calculating data Then, obviously, once we get that thing connected to our brain, we will be able to simulate any reality we want.
If this is truly our past, and you wanted to...
Like, right now the way I remember something, having done acid for most of my life, is very foggy and kind of like...
My memory isn't the best.
Every once in a while I have a very clear memory of things, but with this tech, theoretically, It could reconstruct memories in your mind, and not just that, put you into them and allow you to experience them in real time.
Meaning, in a few minutes, you could live your life over a thousand times.
Easily, we could be in the future, and this is a memory that some quantum computer of neural interface is allowing us to experience totally, all-encompassing memory.
And that would be a form of eternal life, because in every second, how many lifetimes could you live based on merging with that kind of chip?
joe rogan
Right.
duncan trussell
And you wouldn't want to know it was a memory.
You know, you might want to be like, you know what, let me just live that life over again.
I just want to feel the whole thing.
joe rogan
Well, you know, that's one of the scariest things for people to consider.
I asked someone once, would you rather die or would you rather live your life over and over and over again forever?
duncan trussell
What'd they say?
joe rogan
They're like, oh my god, I couldn't do this forever and ever and ever.
I'm like, why not?
You can do it now.
Like, it's not even hard.
Like, aren't you enjoying life?
Like, I love it.
I'm having a great time.
I have great friends.
I have a lot of fun.
Lots of amazing things.
I have a great family.
I enjoy what I do for a living.
Like, why wouldn't I want to keep doing this?
But the thought of keeping, even for me, the thought of me doing this forever and ever and ever is fucking terrifying.
For some weird reason.
duncan trussell
Well, that was, like, Nietzsche had this whole thought experiment, which was, I don't remember what it's called, something like Infinite Return, but basically, the way he put it is, you don't live it again and again and again and make changes within the echo.
It's exactly the same over and over and over again.
And so, in other words, like, whatever you, it's just a, it's a rerun over and over and over again forever.
That's what we're in.
And his point in that was, like, therefore, If most of your life you've been miserable, you're in hell.
I know.
But he wanted to use that more as a kind of, to leverage people out of despondency, to make them understand.
Get going now!
Make it happy now!
Because if we do repeat...
joe rogan
Do you think that by all this measure of talking about quantum computers and artificial intelligence and all these emerging things, Isn't it more likely then that a lot of this shit that people are seeing is human created?
Because isn't it more likely that if we really do get to some sort of quantum computer AI civilization, so you attach quantum computer with AI like 20 years from now, what does that even mean?
Did you just make a god?
And if you did, can this thing just completely travel between dimensions and understand everything about every subatomic particle that exists in the entire universe all at once?
If that's the case, why do you need people anymore?
And maybe you don't.
Just to make it like maybe Australopithecus isn't around anymore?
That was our guy!
He was our guy.
If it wasn't for him, we wouldn't be here, allegedly.
duncan trussell
Well, I mean, I think the model you could use for that theory would be the various, like, you look at an embryo, and then you watch the way the appendages change, then you could look at it that way, which is like, well, I mean, you don't want...
I met someone who had a tail, by the way.
Like, some people get born...
unidentified
I think I was at that party.
He had a tail.
joe rogan
He had a tail.
duncan trussell
It's because something happens.
joe rogan
How big was it?
duncan trussell
I didn't look at it.
joe rogan
What did it taste like?
duncan trussell
It was cinnamon.
unidentified
It tasted like cinnamon and whiskey.
joe rogan
Yeah, dudes are born with like a stub.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
You know, like a regular tailed monkey.
You'd be like, look at this bitch ass tail.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
But there's something to it.
duncan trussell
Something there.
So, you know, if you...
joe rogan
Yeah, there it is.
duncan trussell
There you go.
joe rogan
God.
That's so weird.
duncan trussell
There you go.
joe rogan
That is like an ancient...
By the way, if you're born with a tail, I'm not trusting you with my taxes.
duncan trussell
Oh, come on.
joe rogan
I don't care if you got the surgery.
duncan trussell
Well, it's weird how some of those tails look better than others.
jamie vernon
Some of them are clearly fake.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Some people probably got surgically put the, take off my big toe and stick it on my ass.
I'm afraid to look at what's in my picture.
There's fucking psychos out there, man.
duncan trussell
Dude, your lion's fucking bit...
I still think about it sometimes.
What would you do if you had a tail?
Like, give me a break.
They're already getting these body suits you can wear to help you lift shit.
They have the new things for your legs.
But dude, if there was some cyborg tail that you could attach with a belt, What if there was a way?
joe rogan
What if genetic engineering and AI merge in a way like, Duncan, we can switch you one time to anything you want.
And one of the options is you could become one of the Na'vi.
duncan trussell
What are the Na'vi?
joe rogan
The Na'vi from the movie?
jamie vernon
Avatar.
joe rogan
Avatar?
duncan trussell
I don't want to be a Na'vi.
joe rogan
The blue people?
duncan trussell
Not interested.
joe rogan
The giant blue people who fucking live in the forest and they sleep in the trees and they're connected to the earth and they dance together in a psychedelic ritual.
duncan trussell
I'm gonna pass on the Na'vi.
I don't like it.
joe rogan
You ride dragons.
They ride dragons, bro.
duncan trussell
I don't know, man.
joe rogan
Dude, I wanted to be one of them people so bad.
Everybody did.
There was literally a psychological condition called Avatar Depression.
Do you know about that?
duncan trussell
Yeah, I do.
joe rogan
How many people, let's just have a guess, if I said we could do that to you, how many people do you think would sign up?
I think the streets would be filled with giant blue people.
duncan trussell
Well, I mean, if it's only once...
joe rogan
You have to stay.
We can't do it again.
It's too dangerous.
Your DNA gets volatile.
It melts down.
You can become a frog.
We can't control it.
But we can switch you one time.
duncan trussell
Yeah, it's not going to be one time, man.
joe rogan
No, it's one time.
One time.
duncan trussell
Why?
joe rogan
Because you either stay a person, or you become a werewolf, or we turn you into a naffi.
Imagine if that was an option.
Every time the moon goes black, you have to lock yourself in your house.
duncan trussell
Yeah, or you'll kill.
joe rogan
And you have to let people know, or you'll tear everybody apart.
Or you can be a naffi.
You might just jump through the windows of the second floor and roam the streets.
duncan trussell
And it's gonna hurt when you change.
It's a painful transformation.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, you're screaming in your back.
Remember the movie, American Werewolf in London, when he's like on his back?
duncan trussell
Dude, the best.
Oh my, Joe.
joe rogan
Fucking great movie.
duncan trussell
Here's a movie you gotta watch.
joe rogan
Really?
duncan trussell
The Substance.
joe rogan
What is that?
unidentified
Dude.
duncan trussell
I don't want to ruin it for people because it just came out.
But it's, um, you ever watch any, like, Cronenberg movies?
unidentified
Sure.
duncan trussell
Okay, so it reminds me of that.
It's got Demi Moore in it, who, by the way, looks so great.
And she's like, like, dude, it is so fucked up.
This movie is so fucked up, but it's got...
The effects...
Something that happens in it is very similar to an American Werewolf in London.
And it's basically this star...
She's a fading star.
And so...
Oh, and he kills it too.
But she's like a fading star.
joe rogan
So it's called The Substance?
duncan trussell
Oh my god, it's fucking trippy, man.
It's so good.
joe rogan
I'm gonna make a note, Duncan.
duncan trussell
You will love it.
joe rogan
I can't use...
I have to take my gloves off.
duncan trussell
But it's really wild, man.
And it's very...
Like, there's parts of it that are so disturbing.
joe rogan
Really?
duncan trussell
Oh, maybe they're gonna show it.
joe rogan
The substance.
jamie vernon
No spoilers.
duncan trussell
What?
You've seen it?
jamie vernon
No, but, like, if you say it's that good, then why...
duncan trussell
Okay, yeah, yeah.
No spoilers.
joe rogan
I'm sorry, so what is it on again?
duncan trussell
We had to get it on Prime.
joe rogan
Oh, okay, so it's out.
It's out.
duncan trussell
But, dude, like, the...
This is, again, like, and I think...
One of the fun things about being alive right now.
It's a fun time.
joe rogan
It might be the funnest time anybody's ever had.
duncan trussell
Dude, really?
If I had to pick time periods...
joe rogan
Oh, we picked the right one.
duncan trussell
Well, the second one I would pick is when cocaine was legal.
joe rogan
I think you would have been dead already.
duncan trussell
Well, yeah!
joe rogan
Did I tell you about my buddy Steve?
He did his ophthalmology in his residency.
He did in Miami in the 80s during the cocaine days.
duncan trussell
No.
joe rogan
Oh my god, dude.
He said every day it was just gunshot wounds and guys with things stuffed up their ass.
They would get coked up and they'd shove something up their ass to try to cum harder and they just got things stuck up their ass.
duncan trussell
Wow, that's a problem.
joe rogan
G.I. Joes.
Oh yeah, dude.
Shout out to Steve Graham.
He told me, they find lightbulbs, guys that have lightbulbs.
Why a lightbulb?
Twisty, little pinecone-y lightbulbs, they stick those up their ass.
duncan trussell
But you know it's gonna break!
Like, that's gonna break!
joe rogan
Part of the fun.
Part of the fun.
duncan trussell
The risk.
joe rogan
Well, they're coked out of their fucking minds, dude.
They don't know what they're doing.
This is the 80s in Miami.
duncan trussell
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, and there was more banks per capita in Miami at the time.
I don't know if it's still the case, but more banks in Miami per capita than anywhere else in the country.
unidentified
Because it was all just moving in that Yale, son!
joe rogan
Moving in that Yale!
unidentified
Yeah!
joe rogan
It was a cocaine city.
duncan trussell
That was where it was probably somewhat common to find a bag of coke on the beach, right?
Probably every day.
You'd have to get your kid.
Your kid would bring you a bag of coke.
Like seashells.
joe rogan
You've seen Cocaine Cowboys, right?
duncan trussell
Yes.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
And both.
One and two.
Both are equally good.
duncan trussell
Dude, I've heard...
joe rogan
But that story is so insane.
duncan trussell
I mean, again, I would never...
I'm too much of a pussy to live that kind of lifestyle, but when you think about the possibility that once we do get interfaced in some way or another with these new computers that are just right around the corner, we will be able to simulate experiences like that.
joe rogan
Yes.
duncan trussell
I would be into simulating the experience.
And then when you consider, yeah, but you're going to simulate the experience, you know it's a simulation.
At some point you're gonna be like, you know what, let's just turn that off where I know it's a simulation.
You know what I mean?
We would all be doing that shit.
And I don't just mean like, literally like, I mean, at some point you've done 20,000 lifetimes.
You've experienced what it's like to be George Washington, Genghis Khan.
You've experienced what it's like to be Joan of Arc.
You've experienced being one of Jesus' disciples.
joe rogan
Imagine if that's one person and that's your backstory.
duncan trussell
That you've done all of those things.
joe rogan
What a timeline you're on.
duncan trussell
That's going to be everybody.
That's going to be everybody.
joe rogan
Because it's going to be fake.
duncan trussell
Well, I mean, is it?
joe rogan
Just plug into it.
duncan trussell
That's where it gets really...
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Is it?
duncan trussell
Is it going to be fake?
joe rogan
And what is reality anyway?
duncan trussell
And what is data?
joe rogan
Right.
duncan trussell
What is data?
That's the real question, because it's like, how much of data can we recover from light?
And if we get faster than light travel, can we get ahead of light?
We know that when we take a picture, that's just light.
So if we can get ahead of light, we can go faster than light.
If we can go exponentially faster than light, theoretically, you're basically moving into the future, I guess.
Then couldn't you take pictures of Earth in the past?
If you could take pictures of Earth in the past, why couldn't you recreate them with this new technology?
There's your time machine.
You don't have to worry about fucking up the timelines.
You're just taking pure data, having it interpolated by whatever the next computer is after quantum computers, right?
And then simulating that reality and traveling into it as whoever you want to be.
I mean, it's pure...
Hedonism.
You know, it's like right now we think of hedonism as fucking a great meal, making some money, nice car, red wine.
But future versions of hedonism could really just be like, I just want to be a dinosaur for 50 years.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, for sure.
joe rogan
Well, there's gonna be, look, think about how many people play video games most of the day.
Like, how many young guys?
duncan trussell
So many.
joe rogan
Young guys with no girlfriends.
100% you're playing some kind of video game all the time with your friends.
duncan trussell
There you go.
joe rogan
And you're probably having the most fun you're ever gonna have in your life.
So enjoy it.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Before the prison comes.
For the marital...
duncan trussell
Why?
Why'd you say it?
joe rogan
Before you get told that you're a toxic piece of shit.
duncan trussell
You can't.
And that is, by the way, I think there's a new phase in recently married dudes who...
I think there's a new phase that happens.
I think I went through it, actually, which is like that experience you had.
And when I reminisce on my life in the past prior to having kids, which I fucking love, but when I reminisce on the past, the memories that come to mind...
A lot of them are like snorting rails of ketamine and playing God of War.
unidentified
It was amazing.
duncan trussell
But nothing like, and I really mean this, it sounds cheesy, but I really mean it.
Like, what I was going for there, that's what I get just on any given day.
joe rogan
Right, you're looking for highs, and the highs of the love of your family is above and beyond anything else.
duncan trussell
Unquantifiable.
joe rogan
You ever tell you Chappelle's take on it?
duncan trussell
No.
joe rogan
He goes, not only did it increase the love in my life, but it increased my capacity for love.
duncan trussell
Yeah, that's right.
joe rogan
It's wild.
duncan trussell
And that can hurt.
You know, this whole, like, romantic, hippy-dippy version of love, it doesn't...
I don't think that's quite what love is.
A fairy tale love, real love, it's like that expansion.
Like, you know that thing...
Where you go from one size butt plug to the next.
joe rogan
Yeah, you know that thing.
duncan trussell
But you know what I mean?
It stretches you out in a way that nothing else could have.
When I think of the past versions of me and realize in this confused way, that's what you're looking for.
You're looking for that.
And that impulse is being subverted or captured by hedonic technologies that are paradoxically probably keeping you from having that experience.
They're getting in the way of that experience.
And then new dads, you've got to shed that skin.
You know what I mean?
I had to fucking let go of that It's such a habit, you know, that form of life, video games, drugs, like, you know what I mean?
joe rogan
You have to be responsible now.
duncan trussell
Yeah, exactly, yeah.
And that probably sounds like a bummer to a lot of people out there, but it actually, this is the way, you know, and it feels good when you're in it.
joe rogan
It's just hard to convince people to do it.
And that's why Elon's terrified of this population crash.
This idea that younger kids, young kids today are not having babies.
And as they're getting older, you're less and less fertile.
And so people are choosing to have kids later in life.
Or not have kids.
More people are choosing to not have kids.
And by the way, I'm not judging.
Do whatever you want.
You should be able to do whatever you want in this life.
And no one should force you to fucking live with somebody, have a family.
I don't know what kind of anxiety you have or whether or not you're a real legitimate loner.
You like being alone most of the time.
But it's just like...
The amount of people that are like super bummed out all the time is quite terrifying.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you really stopped and think about just the number of people that are just running through life bummed out.
duncan trussell
I know.
joe rogan
And there was some, obviously polls, who knows who the fuck is running them, but there was some poll about liberal women and mental illness.
It's such a meme.
It's so unfortunate that it seems to hold up to the meme.
It's so unfortunate.
But the numbers are like crazy high.
duncan trussell
Well, you know, man, this is the thing about mental illness.
And there's lots of studies that have been, what do they call it?
A folia du, right?
That's the name for if you are around a crazy person.
You can actually, if you're around a paranoid person long enough, you really might start thinking the walls are bugged if they're charismatic enough, right?
joe rogan
Sure.
duncan trussell
So, there's a quality to people who are charismatic and distorting reality that is contagious.
And then, when you add to it, it becomes a fashion statement, right?
So, basically the idea is, if you have some form of mental illness, It's not like I should shame you for it, obviously.
You need care.
You need compassion.
But one of the really, I think, very dangerous things that has emerged into the zeitgeist is that compassion has been confused.
So, in other words, what you might call enabling.
They are calling compassion, because the idea would be, right now, you need to get better.
Let's get you fucking better.
Not like, right now, this is just how you are, and you really don't have any hope.
So this is where, and also, I congratulate you on your courage, and all that's good, by the way.
It is courageous if someone has a mental illness to announce it, but When you go to the next step, which is actually the fact that you're trying to lose weight, the fact that you're trying to balance your life.
That is an aggression.
You know what I mean?
Like now you're aggressing against all the people who have this.
It is a slap in the face to the people who have it.
What I'm saying is there's a culture where the normal societal pressure to try to make yourself healthy, which by the way, if you go back a long time ago, if it's just like you and me and everyone in the green room and we have to survive in the wilderness or something like that, there really isn't time For somebody to, you know, it's dangerous if someone is doing things that keep them sick because we have to carry them.
You know what I mean?
We have to carry them through the fucking wilderness and that means we might die.
That lowers our survival chances.
So the idea is you don't want to enable People who are hurting themselves right who you don't want to enable people who have a chance to no longer like continue the patterns or to take the medicine or whatever the fuck it is to Feel better you actually want to help them feel better not keep them frozen in this thing which is a demonstration of their enlightenment
because that's the thing when health when sickness is health and health is sickness Well, that's the ant death spiral, dude.
That's how you create a very sick, unhealthy world.
And then you wouldn't want...
In other words, if you met some raving, paranoid person who was convinced that there were nanobots inside of them that were reading their minds and controlling their thoughts...
joe rogan
I told you that in private.
duncan trussell
I'm sorry, Joe.
It's just not good.
Do you think like that?
That's scary.
That's a sad place to be.
We got to get you out of there.
joe rogan
We got to get you on Reddit.
duncan trussell
Exactly.
Exactly.
joe rogan
Nanobots are legit, dude.
Shut the fuck up.
duncan trussell
Dude, the main...
joe rogan
Well, you know what I'm really scared of, legitimately, though?
I don't think nanobots are controlling us right now.
But that this technology that they have, where they have these little miniature robots that they can send into your bloodstream to repair tissue.
You've seen these, right?
Yeah, absolutely.
Once that becomes an actual thing, like, what's to stop someone from injecting a few of those inside of you at the hospital next time you go in for a procedure?
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
And if it gets to that point, like, 20 years from now where they could do that, they could just, like, oh, we chipped Duncan.
Thank you.
duncan trussell
Thank you very much.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Very important to find out.
Yeah.
Where this guy goes.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
We have to track him.
duncan trussell
Dude.
joe rogan
Everywhere he goes.
unidentified
Absolutely.
joe rogan
And then you're linked up to some GPS computer by these fucking nanobots inside of your body.
duncan trussell
And by the way, if you and I are talking about this shit in elf suits, you better believe somebody in the DoD, somebody in Raytheon or Lockheed Martin.
joe rogan
Imagine these little robots.
They do work.
For a while.
duncan trussell
Whatever.
joe rogan
But after a while, they decay inside your body and they create rampant inflammation.
Horrible rheumatoid arthritis destroys all of your joints because they die inside of you.
Well, you know, it's like we didn't know that.
duncan trussell
Yeah, I didn't know.
Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet, man.
joe rogan
We regret the Tuskegee experiment.
duncan trussell
Sorry.
joe rogan
We regret it.
Sorry.
Fuck.
Infected people with syphilis.
duncan trussell
I'm really sorry.
joe rogan
Didn't tell people they had syphilis.
We're sorry.
duncan trussell
Whoopsies.
In retrospect, it was a mistake.
We shouldn't have done that.
Sorry.
joe rogan
How crazy is that?
That's a real thing.
duncan trussell
Or when they release some shit in the subways, you know?
Whoopsies!
Whoopsies!
joe rogan
Wuhan lab.
Whoopsies!
unidentified
Whoopsies!
joe rogan
That was a big whoopsies, boys.
duncan trussell
Gain of function research.
unidentified
Whoopsies!
joe rogan
It was real!
duncan trussell
Whoopsies!
It was real!
joe rogan
Whoopsies!
It was true!
duncan trussell
Dude, so when you...
This is where, to me, if you do want to align with a classic paranoid state of consciousness, The way you align with it, without having to go on Infowars, without having to go on Reddit Conspiracy, just look at what is verifiable.
What do we know right now?
So what we know right now, there are unknown drones hovering over New Jersey.
We know that the President of the United States has been incapacitated for years.
joe rogan
No way!
Who saw that coming?
duncan trussell
Dude!
joe rogan
We were conspiracy theorists.
duncan trussell
Not anymore!
joe rogan
We were conspiracy theorists!
duncan trussell
Now our shit is like mainstream, just basic journalism.
The fucking President of the United States has apparently been out of commission For years.
joe rogan
By the way, I welcome him on my podcast.
He has an open invitation.
duncan trussell
Goddammit, that'd be awesome.
joe rogan
Anytime.
duncan trussell
And he would be fun.
joe rogan
I hope so now.
duncan trussell
Dude.
joe rogan
We'd have to give him a little nap in the middle of the podcast, but then wake him up, throw some water on him.
duncan trussell
But when he's all there, when they got the cocktail right, and he's dialed in, and he turns into a warlock for a second, you know what I mean?
It's scary!
joe rogan
When the eyebrows move up.
duncan trussell
Dude!
joe rogan
It locks up.
duncan trussell
That's a lich!
That's like if you were in a cursed tomb and that thing comes around the corner.
That is scary.
The Sauron that comes out of him before he goes back to sleep is terrifying, but even more terrifying.
Is the network of people around him.
You know, you see those, it's really cool, the dancing dragons.
It's like six dudes in a dragon suit dancing and it looks like a real dragon dancing.
Oh, right, right, right.
Biden is the dancing dragon of presidents.
He's got God knows how many people just fucking like working so hard to get that thing to function.
Just in like brief moments, you only need him to function for like 10 minutes at a press conference, 20 minutes here, get him off the plane, get him in the fucking building.
If we can pull that off, we'll have power for a little bit longer, a little bit longer.
Dude, when you consider that we apparently live in a democracy, You elect this dude who makes decisions because in some way, shape, or form he aligns with what you want the country to be, and the people fucking puppeteering that poor old man are just like, no, actually fuck you.
He's not gonna make any fucking decisions because he's incapacitated.
He's gone.
Gone with the fucking wind.
And now we're in control and you didn't vote for us.
That is terrifying.
That is so—in a way, that's worse than a coup.
Because at least with a coup, you see the military, they come in, the tanks are in front of the White House, some dude is suddenly the leader, and you know it's not the guy you voted for.
joe rogan
Well, it was certainly, by definition, it was a coup against Biden.
duncan trussell
Oh, with Kamala?
joe rogan
Yeah.
duncan trussell
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, isn't that by definition?
Does a coup have to be military?
duncan trussell
Oh, no, no, no.
joe rogan
What's the definition of a coup?
duncan trussell
I think a coup is just when you...
joe rogan
Is it just like some sort of a conspiracy to...
duncan trussell
Overthrow the leader and install a new leader.
joe rogan
That's it, right?
It does have to be violent, right?
duncan trussell
That's right.
And what a brilliant coup.
joe rogan
It does have to be violent?
jamie vernon
Sudden, violent, unlawful seizure.
duncan trussell
I guess we have to redefine that.
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
Is there any other coup d'etat?
Right.
I know it comes from that, but...
duncan trussell
Is there a difference between a coup and a coup d'etat?
What's a coup?
joe rogan
No, I think it is coup d'etat.
That's the actual definition.
duncan trussell
What's coup?
jamie vernon
It's the same thing.
joe rogan
People just don't say it.
duncan trussell
It's said in violent honor.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's essentially we shortened it.
So it does say violent, but if there's a bunch of people that conspire behind the scenes...
And they force you out, and your wife doesn't want you to get forced out, and then there's all these arguments, and then you wear a MAGA hat, and then your wife wears red when she votes.
duncan trussell
Yeah, you send a signal.
joe rogan
And then your wife gives a speech where she's mocking Kamala Harris.
She's talking about joy, and just nonsensical fucking word salad.
duncan trussell
Dude, I know.
I saw that.
It's like they're so pissed.
joe rogan
It's kind of a coup.
It seems like it's kind of a coup.
And also, the right thing to do.
That guy should not be...
He might have won.
I mean, it was the right thing to do in terms of, like, you can't have a guy who's just a figurehead.
That's not what the deal is.
The deal is this guy is going to be doing his best to look out for us and to make sure that he navigates this world of finance and environment and international You can't have only a mask.
Who's running the deal?
duncan trussell
Okay, so again, this is the fantasy of any hippie or whatever.
Predicted in the New Age movement, and I think you could argue in a lot of religions, is the consciousness shift is happening.
The Age of Aquarius, whatever the fuck you want to call it.
Consciousness shift.
And so the idea is that what we're witnessing Is essentially the collapse of a way of doing things that is collapsing and as it collapses it starts making big mistakes.
One big mistake would be People figure out that we have had a president who is basically incapacitated, meaning we don't really need a president.
The whole model starts falling apart.
Also, when you realize like they like If you watch basketball or skateboarding, watch skateboarding now versus skateboarding when people started skateboarding.
Like the tricks like people are doing now versus what they used to do, right?
And you see how quickly people, when something's fun or important, how quickly it evolves, right?
So the coup is problematic in that, again, you know a coup has happened.
The ultimate coup is to have a figurehead.
Now, you know, it's a hacky trope, I guess, the idea being that, like, every president is just a fucking puppet, right?
But the problem with that puppet is that, like, these are puppets who actually do have power.
They will make decisions, even if there's a lot of pressure from God knows whatever the web of unknown people is that tries to, like, grab the The steering wheel, they can say no.
So that's a problem.
So if I want to control the steering wheel completely, dude, what's better than an old man who has dementia?
Because I could tell him shit happened that didn't happen.
I could show him news sources that aren't even real.
You know what I mean?
unidentified
I could literally, like, He probably pretends to be able to read.
joe rogan
His eyes are probably gone.
duncan trussell
Dude, absolutely.
joe rogan
Probably pretends.
duncan trussell
Absolutely.
And then the other side of it, aside from it, it's a coup.
It's completely unconstitutional.
It's a fucked up takeover of the U.S. government.
If you just look at the abuse of the right thing to do when you have a president, a bus driver, Whoever who's got senile dementia is to say, hey guys, he's really sick and he can't do the job anymore.
And we have to find somebody else to do the job now.
That's the right thing to do.
But these motherfuckers are like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
We'll lose our jobs.
We're in the fucking cabinet.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
They're like, we don't want a primary.
Because if another Democrat comes in, if Shapiro comes in, if Newsom comes in, a whole new cabinet.
duncan trussell
That's right.
joe rogan
Everybody knew.
Everybody knew.
duncan trussell
That's it.
joe rogan
Everybody wants to keep their job.
unidentified
It's so fucked up.
joe rogan
Even if you are sad that Trump won and you wish Kamala Harris won, If she did win, it would be the first time that anybody won without winning a primary.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
And that's kind of crazy.
And it's not a good precedent to set.
It's not good to let people weasel around this system that we have in place.
And by having a vice president and then immediately appointing them as the Democratic candidate, that's kind of illegal.
It seems like it's kind of illegal.
Is it illegal?
duncan trussell
Well, dude, I mean, should it be illegal?
joe rogan
How about, let me say this.
That should be illegal.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
You should have to have a vote from the people to decide who their democratic elected person who's going to run for president is.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
That's the whole deal.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Maybe people didn't vote for you when you were running for president, which is a fact.
And so then when you ran for vice president or when he chose you as vice president, all of a sudden we're supposed to pretend that you're a really good candidate for president.
Let's find out what the people think.
If you guys believe that she's the best person for the job, the whole idea is supposed to be sell it and then people vote.
Like, really vote.
Actually vote.
duncan trussell
Don't fuck with the vote.
joe rogan
The mail-in ballots seem kind of odd.
Let's not do that.
Nixon was talking about how they could be rigged in the 70s.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Let's just do it in person, like we always do.
duncan trussell
That's right, man.
Let's just vote.
The idea is, like, if I'm a kidnapper, and I kidnap you, and I, I don't know, knock you out or something, you come to, and I explain, we're married.
I need to pull that off.
We're now married.
I've just kidnapped somebody, but now they think that we're married.
What I'm saying is...
You know, if you're gaslighting, you really need to execute perfectly gaslighting.
And so the problem with, and I think this is the buried fucking headline in the drones, in the Kamala coup, the president with senile dementia, is that All of these actions taken by the federal government have not just corroded people's trust in the federal government, but potentially annihilated it.
joe rogan
Annihilated it.
duncan trussell
Meaning now, if I'm kidnapped by somebody...
And they're like, no, here's why I kidnapped you.
Oh, God, there's that great movie where, like, somebody ends up in someone's survival bunker, and you wonder, is it really the end of the world, or is this person kidnapped?
He's saying, you can't go out there.
But it's like, the idea is, the moment, if I've been kidnapped and I actually buy into your shit, that's going to create a lot less anxiety for me.
But the moment...
Your kidnapee stops believing you.
Whoa.
That's not fun for anybody.
And right now, I feel like that's the general mood, is people just don't trust...
joe rogan
And the people that do have Stockholm Syndrome.
duncan trussell
That's it, dude.
That's it.
joe rogan
Those are the people that are still getting boosted.
I am up to date.
I have all nine of my boosters.
duncan trussell
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
They've got boosters in their eyeballs.
You can see them swimming around behind their eyeballs.
duncan trussell
And then...
unidentified
Eventually, they're going to be just pointing and be like...
joe rogan
You haven't had your boosters.
duncan trussell
That is...
unidentified
Six feet distance!
joe rogan
That's what it felt like, man.
That's what it felt like being unvaccinated in the pandemic.
It felt like some people looked at you like you were the dirty...
Like, I heard dudes I know.
I know them.
I've hung out with them.
And they were calling people plague rats.
duncan trussell
Plague rats.
joe rogan
Calling unvaccinated people plague rats.
duncan trussell
Listen, this is...
Maybe you're not supposed to do this.
When you're saying you try to find the compassionate way of looking at Kamala Harris...
joe rogan
I try to find that with everybody, man.
That as an exercise that I've been doing more and more over the last few years, I try to push it all day long.
There's so many things to get upset about.
But there's also...
There's so...
There's so many good things in the world, too, and we can't fall into that.
We're not designed to soak up 8 billion people worth of bad news.
duncan trussell
That's right.
joe rogan
We're just not designed that way.
duncan trussell
That's right.
joe rogan
And if you suck all that stuff in, you're gonna have a lot of negativity in your life.
And it's not about forgiving people for like even like CNN people that are spitting out propaganda.
Like, your demise is self-created.
You will be punished by your own doings.
duncan trussell
That's right.
joe rogan
The world has responded to all...
Have you seen this crazy interview where Don Lemon interviews some dude on the street?
duncan trussell
No.
joe rogan
You haven't seen this?
No.
It's so funny, because Don Lemon's doing these on-the-street interviews, and he's talking to this guy about the news, and the guy's essentially telling Don Lemon, like, I don't trust all these sources you're saying.
He's like, look, here it is, Washington Post.
I forget what the subject was.
But he got Don Lemon to say, I don't listen to mainstream news either.
duncan trussell
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Play this.
Play this from the beginning.
Because this is so crazy.
unidentified
Who is the real president-elect, do you think?
Donald Trump, one, I believe.
Democratic lawmakers in Washington are calling Elon Musk president now and they're saying Donald Trump is the vice president or the head of communications.
What, what, what, what?
Wait a second.
duncan trussell
No, no one said that.
unidentified
Really?
Have you not watched and paid attention to the news?
Absolutely not.
I'm paying attention to what I'm doing during my day so I can try and get a better life in my head.
Okay, do you have your phone with you?
I do.
Why don't you Google right now?
Yes, tell me.
President Musk and see what comes up.
duncan trussell
No.
joe rogan
But that's already a loaded question, you realize.
unidentified
Tell me, give me the sources.
Axios, Business Insider.
duncan trussell
We don't trust any of these.
unidentified
The common man doesn't trust any of this.
ABC News, Washington Post, New York Times, The Atlantic.
joe rogan
I don't trust any of these.
I don't trust any of them.
I don't trust any of these.
duncan trussell
We're the common man.
We don't trust any of these.
No one trusts the government.
No one trusts the common news.
unidentified
We don't trust any of that anymore.
Independent news, we are the ones that own the news now.
People trust me.
They don't trust MSNBC because I care if I'm actually one of them.
I can't disagree with you.
Okay.
joe rogan
Well then.
unidentified
I get a lot of people coming to me saying, I only watch, I don't watch corporate media anymore.
joe rogan
Oh, he said a lot of people coming to him.
I misunderstood.
I got a hard-on when I saw that.
duncan trussell
Dude, that is incredible.
joe rogan
Well, that guy just geniusly broke down this illogical assumption that because it's on these accepted sources, it must be true.
Like, oh, he's President Musk.
Maybe we have the good guy, super genius on our side.
And this idea that he's doing it for money...
Hey, you fucking halfwits.
He has all the money.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
He has more money than anybody.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
He's simultaneously running multiple businesses that are at the peak, the cutting edge of technology.
duncan trussell
Sure.
joe rogan
Shut the fuck up and let him cook!
duncan trussell
Let him cook!
Also, though, when you realize, like...
This is like, you know, when the DNC starts astroturfing Reddit, when the DNC starts astroturfing 4chan, when the DNC started doing that, using all that fucking money, and it's so funny because the astroturfing, after she lost, it just stopped.
joe rogan
Explain astroturfing to people?
duncan trussell
So the idea is like I infiltrate message boards, post political messages disguised as like somebody just putting a post up.
I try to redirect the conversation or essentially imply a consensus that doesn't exist.
And so there's ways of manipulating the algorithm.
Apparently on the DNC's Discord server they were talking about the best ways and times to post on Reddit.
To attempt to move the fucking needle.
joe rogan
It's kind of amazing, isn't it?
duncan trussell
It should be illegal.
It's so fucked up.
joe rogan
Full on propaganda.
duncan trussell
If we did a renegade rogue commercial for nicotine pouches on Instagram, you have to say this is a sponsored post.
So why is it that if you work for the DNC or volunteer for any state entity, You don't have to say, also, I'm doing this as a volunteer for the DNC. That's why I opposed to this.
You don't have to do that.
So that's Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
I'm pretending to be a normal person.
I'm infecting the data sphere with propaganda.
And if I do it enough, it will create the illusion that this is the consensus.
And the reason you want to create that illusion is because people like to sync up.
That's what they know.
joe rogan
They love to sync up.
And really smart people like to get really good at syncing up.
They like to get really good at it and really good at correcting others who don't sync up correctly.
duncan trussell
There you go.
Sync up.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And you know what it is?
It's just dorks.
It's dorks.
And dorks have found a thing.
They've found a thing.
Maybe your thing could have been chess.
It's not.
It's politics.
You know what I mean?
Whatever your thing is, that's what's really going on.
And your denial of objective reality in order to win, it exposes you.
It exposes you to people in this new world that are recognizing That we are the only people that have ever gone through this.
And we are in this insane moment of realization about how much we've been bullshitted and manipulated in the past, how much of all of our resources are going to things that we would never agree to, and how much of this chaos Is being pushed upon us by people who are profiting from it in a fucking spectacular way that's almost indescribable.
Yeah.
Insane amounts of money in control of the narrative and it's not working.
duncan trussell
It's not working.
It's still not working!
It's not working!
joe rogan
You and I and Jamie in a fucking room.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Are working.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
That's not working.
What they're doing is not working because people are getting information from multiple sources now.
And the sources that aren't reliable, like that guy listed off, they're dying off.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, the New York Times app is more people use it for Wordle than anything.
Like New York Times has essentially become a gaming company.
duncan trussell
Crazy.
joe rogan
See if that's true.
I don't want to get sued.
I'm pretty sure it's true.
duncan trussell
Well, I mean, Wordle is fun.
joe rogan
I'm sure it's fun.
jamie vernon
I think it's a separate app.
joe rogan
Is it a separate app?
jamie vernon
I'm pretty sure.
joe rogan
Do you mind if I have more?
jamie vernon
I do mind.
joe rogan
I'm tired of your drinking.
Thank you.
Is that what it is?
So that Wordle gets more activity for the company.
That's what essentially...
Yeah, there was a graph.
I was too lazy to read the whole graph.
But it was breaking down how Wordle is more used than anything.
duncan trussell
Well, listen, this is...
unidentified
Is that true?
joe rogan
Let's make sure that's true.
Otherwise, we'll have to cut this out.
I don't want New York Times on my ass.
duncan trussell
Oh my god, that would suck.
It would suck so bad.
joe rogan
They've done it before.
It's just, that's their job.
That's their job.
You know, they're just like, that shouldn't be a job where your New York Times games are more popular than its news.
If that's what you want it to be, but here's the thing.
It's not necessary anymore.
And I think that through the rise of independent journalism, one of the things we're really realizing is that all someone has to do is be consistently objective and intelligent and post things and post takes on things, like Coleman Hughes or some of these people.
Consistently intelligent, objective, and then you'll develop a following.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then you'll become a reliable source of news.
duncan trussell
That's right.
joe rogan
Because I know that if I ask Coleman about X, Y, or Z, and he's informed, he's going to give me a very intelligent breakdown of what it is.
There's a few people in my life that are like Andrew Huberman.
If I have some sort of health-related question, Peter Atiyah.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
I have some sort of like, how are they doing this?
And is this legitimate?
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
And they'll look at it, and they'll analyze it.
Yeah.
I've sent Huberman stuff, and he goes over the data.
He's like, this is fascinating.
This theoretically should work, and then this will explain why and what the pathways are and how interesting this is.
It's an amazing resource that wasn't available before to any person.
Forget it.
I mean, it's too difficult.
You'd have one line of inquiry.
You have one lane, whether it's archaeology or language, one lane where you're super.
Super well read in.
You don't have access to all these other professors that are working on quantum physics.
You don't have access to the James Webb Telescope people.
You don't have access to all this data.
It's too hard to get.
Now it's fucking everywhere.
duncan trussell
Everywhere.
joe rogan
It's everywhere all the time.
duncan trussell
That's right.
joe rogan
It's a question away on your phone.
It's a question away.
You pick up your phone and you just fucking press a button.
You say, hey, Google, why don't you tell me what the James Webb Telescope's been up to?
Yeah, hey Chad, GPT, why don't you talk to me like Santa Claus and explain to me why these drones are fake?
duncan trussell
The best.
It's the best.
joe rogan
I don't know if the drones are China's or ours or water people.
They're coming out of the water.
Imagine if there's a civilization under the water.
duncan trussell
I mean, that's where I would hide if I was like trying to hide from a civilization.
It's the ocean.
It's clear.
They can't get in there.
They can't breathe under.
There's a perfect place to hide.
joe rogan
You know what I've been saying for a while, last few weeks at least?
I think maybe what the aliens are is custodians.
I think maybe they're just here.
They're like some sort of a autonomous creation That's designed to accelerate our evolution, stop us from blowing ourselves up, and make sure that we build a quantum computer with AI. Right.
It's all a part of this endless cycle of integration in the great universe.
And we're at this, like, I don't want to get out of my cocoon!
We're in that stage.
We're in this bizarre, strange Australopithecus wandering around in the grass fields.
We're in this weird stage where we're gonna launch into some completely new way of interfacing with the universe itself.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it's gonna happen, whether you like it or not.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
And this is just what's happening right now, and that's why everything's so chaotic.
Okay.
McKenna used to talk about this.
He used to talk about how the end of civilization, it's not gonna be a whimper.
It's gonna be people screaming in agony and flailing and trying to hold on to the past.
duncan trussell
Hold on to the way.
joe rogan
Norman Rockwell paintings.
I'm gonna bake my own fucking bread.
duncan trussell
You're trying to do a waltz at a rave.
joe rogan
How many fucking genders?
What are you saying?
Why are these fucking drones?
They're drones, goddammit!
duncan trussell
It's the meltdown!
And you know, what you're saying, so if you look at like Crick, I think it was Crick, he wrote a paper theorizing about directed panspermia, which is where you put it.
So, okay, directed panspermia, I get some kind of nanobot, which I guess you could say that's what DNA is, nanobot precursor, essentially like Well, I think it's weird.
And maybe I don't understand what he's doing completely.
It's weird to me that Musk wants to send humans to Mars.
Because it seems like it would make way more sense, pre-sending humans, to send drones, robots, to construct whatever it is you need to survive on Mars, to go in the caves, build the fucking...
joe rogan
Well, that's the plan, Duncans.
duncan trussell
Oh, really?
joe rogan
So it's not people first?
The first voyage to Mars is going to be unmanned.
duncan trussell
Okay, great.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
I think they have to do that.
They have to have a certain amount of supplies, because I think they can only come back in two years.
duncan trussell
But I don't even mean supplies.
I mean, if we jump for 20 years...
joe rogan
How about missing that bus?
duncan trussell
The Mars bus?
joe rogan
The two-year bus?
Oh, Duncan, you were late.
You slept in.
duncan trussell
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
Yeah, you missed the bus.
duncan trussell
You watched the rocket go up.
joe rogan
No!
No, nobody woke me?
You cock-suckers.
Fucking hilarious.
Imagine if you're like, Duncan is such a fucking douchebag.
Let's leave him here.
Let's leave him on Mars.
There's plenty of potatoes.
unidentified
He can live.
duncan trussell
That is so fucked up.
unidentified
Let's leave him here.
joe rogan
Fuck him.
Make him fertilize his potatoes with his own shit.
duncan trussell
Damon.
joe rogan
Yeah, like Matt Damon did in that Martian movie.
duncan trussell
So obviously the way you're going to want to colonize habitable worlds is you create not just this nanobot, but you make it so the nanobot can only survive in environments that you would live in.
And then, encoded in the nanobot, The end destination what you're talking about the quantum computers some kind of AI that then will naturally uncover Faster-than-light travel wormholes whatever the fuck it is and then when the wormholes open up you can instantaneously travel to a bitable planets, right?
joe rogan
So can I tell you Terence Howard's idea?
Yeah, it's a great idea.
Yeah He thinks that we have it all wrong when it comes to the formation of planets and the creation of life he thinks what happens is that The Sun is constantly ejecting things, right?
You see these coronal mass ejections, crazy!
Millions of times like longer than, you know, the distance between whatever and whatever.
I don't know.
duncan trussell
Just scary!
joe rogan
Crazy!
Bigger than Earth, right?
That he thinks these particles coalesce in space, outside of the gravity of the sun, and they orbit the sun, and very close at first.
But then as time goes on, they move further and further away, and they get to a place where they're in this position, like Earth is, and then they people.
They flower.
Just like when you plant a seed, when the water comes.
unidentified
So cool.
joe rogan
He goes, and then it has to be sophisticated enough to adapt because the planet is eventually going to move out of the habitable zone.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
And he thinks that Mars, at one point in time, probably had civilization and life.
And then as Mars got further and further and further out from the protection of the Sun, it eventually got too cold, and it eventually got hit by something, it lost its atmosphere, and now it's just desert.
duncan trussell
That's so cool.
joe rogan
Well, now they know there's water on Mars.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
They know.
It used to be just the craziest of conspiracy theories.
Oh, there's no water on Mars.
There's no evidence of water.
How could a society live there?
But, you know, this is the nuttiest of nutty.
But some remote viewer went to Mars a million years ago and said there were pyramids there.
duncan trussell
Sure.
joe rogan
And there was a civilization there.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
And, you know, there's tribes.
No, actually, they think they came from the planet Sirius, right?
Like the Dogon tribe.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
They believe that all people came from another planet.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you were in Mars and you're a thousand years advanced from us and they never figure out AI, so they could just go in a different direction.
They're like super, super advanced though, where they could travel through the space between the planets.
And you get to a point where you're like, hey guys, we got about a decade.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
We got about one decade where life can exist on this fucking planet.
We got to get off of this now.
Earth is ready.
There's some monkeys there.
There's a bunch of shit there.
It's like, you know, we could just go there.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
We just go there.
And then we just munked around with them.
These guys are developing really slowly.
Like, why don't we do that?
And then Homo sapiens.
Yay, look!
duncan trussell
There you go.
Man, listen.
unidentified
Whatever it is, Definitely not what I just described.
No!
duncan trussell
Whatever it is, it's not that.
joe rogan
I wasn't believing it as I was saying it.
I was like, that's crazy.
duncan trussell
But dude, you know, I think you look at just the concept of epigenetics and what we're doing right now.
You look at the statistical probability of DNA evolving based on the age of the planet.
You look at these things.
And not just that, you look at the mythologies of the world, it all points towards some kind of advanced intelligence bioengineering a planet for some reason or another.
I mean, even like, have you ever read the parable of the sower?
You know that?
Jesus said, do you mind pulling that up, Jamie?
I don't have it memorized yet.
The parable of the sower.
joe rogan
How do you spell sower?
duncan trussell
Sower, S-O-W-E-R.
joe rogan
Oh, like a sow?
Like sowing things?
duncan trussell
No, like planting seeds.
joe rogan
S-O, sower of seeds, right?
duncan trussell
Planner, the parable of the sower.
joe rogan
S-E-W-D-R?
duncan trussell
But when you think about this, generally this is the idea of like there's people who are going to like understand Jesus as God.
But if you look at it as an extraterrestrial intelligence, planting seeds on planets versus it becomes this like crazy.
The sower is the.
Yeah.
the pair of the silk.
unidentified
Whoa!
duncan trussell
Though seeing, they do not see.
Though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
A farmer went out to sow a seed.
As he was scattering the seeds, some fell along the path and the birds ate it up.
Some fell on rocky places where it did not have much soil.
It sprang up quickly because the soil was shallow.
Whoa.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
Listen to this.
The disciples came to him and asked, why do you speak to the people in parables?
He replied, because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them.
Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance.
Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them.
This is why I speak to them in parables.
I'd be like, bro, what the fuck did you say?
Can you break that down?
If I had that guy on the podcast, if I had God on the podcast, I'd be like, okay.
Do you have friends?
When you talk to friends, when you say complicated things, you should make them make sense.
So I know you're smart.
You made the whole universe.
I'm not being disrespectful, sir.
But what did you just say?
duncan trussell
Well, let me answer it.
In a parable, you see, imagine a flower growing from stone.
Sometimes the stone is angry at the flower, but sometimes the stone glows with light.
This is why.
joe rogan
Is it because we teach kids that way, kind of?
We kind of teach kids almost in parables.
We teach kids like a simplistic form of everything.
duncan trussell
Well, I think it's an acknowledgement of a kind of spectrum of intelligence, right?
It's like, the idea is like, let me give you a little data fractal here.
joe rogan
That's why it's so rude when someone talks down to you.
duncan trussell
Oh, the worst.
joe rogan
When someone's like, I don't know if you know.
But let me explain to you.
duncan trussell
Oh, please.
joe rogan
What's wrong with the way you're thinking?
duncan trussell
I can't wait to hear.
joe rogan
It's the grossest way to talk to people ever.
duncan trussell
It is.
It's absolutely a sign of low intelligence if you're so idiotic that you think...
joe rogan
And you'd be mean.
duncan trussell
Yeah, but how do you think...
You feel it.
joe rogan
But you're deciding to be mean about a point of discussion.
duncan trussell
That's right.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
You're deciding to be mean.
Instead of saying, I have a lot of knowledge about this, if I could tell you what I know, this is why I believe what you're saying is not true, because I actually have a PhD in this, and this is how we know this, and this is how we know that.
And then you go, oh, that's essentially what Eric Weinstein did to Terrence Howard.
So when Terence Howard was on the podcast, there was a lot of things that he was saying that were true and really fascinating and very interesting.
He's a very brilliant guy.
Eric Weinstein is a legitimate PhD in mathematics.
He's super fucking crazy scary smart.
And he said to him, he said, look, I'm not giving you peer review.
He goes, I'm not a peer.
You're not my peer.
He goes, I'm an expert.
I'm giving you an expert review.
I'm saying you have a lot of really interesting ideas.
Just stop teaching people.
It's offensive to the people that actually do this for a living.
That's all it is.
You are like us.
And this is what he said of them.
He said he's one of us.
He just went down a different path.
duncan trussell
That's right.
joe rogan
He's a brilliant guy.
Who has a strong desire to understand the universe.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
A strong desire to understand things.
But you have to go down the path of peers.
You have to go down the path of you've got to be with all these other legitimate people to bounce these ideas about.
And the only way you're really going to get – you have to find some online community of legitimate people that accept you.
You have to be invited into something or you have to fucking attend a university like all the other ones did.
That's how you find out especially when it comes to shit like mathematics.
Boy, you know, when you're talking about things like physics, boy, these are cold, hard, fact-based disciplines.
You need to be around the people that are the cream of the crop of that.
That's it.
duncan trussell
Yeah, that's right, man.
And I watched some of that, and I loved it because Well, that's what compassion looks like.
joe rogan
You got to see also that Terence is a good guy.
duncan trussell
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
He didn't get upset.
He didn't get angry.
duncan trussell
Yeah, it wasn't designed to humiliate.
joe rogan
It wasn't at all.
And it was also an acknowledgement that a lot of his ideas are really fucking good.
That peopling idea is really fucking good.
The other thing that he has that he invented?
You've seen that linchpin thing that he invented?
duncan trussell
I saw something like that.
joe rogan
It's like modular drone technology.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That can be used for construction and fucking moving giant girders and shit.
duncan trussell
Creative vortex or something.
joe rogan
Well, they all link together.
It's like a geometric pattern.
The nerdiest of nerdy things was Weinstein calling him out on the degree of the angle of one of the fucking calculations that he made.
I don't even remember exactly what it was.
He goes, you had to cheat that, right?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And he's like, yeah, I did.
I did that to make it work.
And he's like, ah.
And they were like fucking with each other because he understood why there would be something problematic about linking all these specific geometric patterns.
And then he had to make some slight adjustment to make them link up perfectly.
duncan trussell
I love that.
joe rogan
Super nerd talk.
duncan trussell
Inside baseball, comedians do it too.
When we're breaking down a joke to a minute pause or something, it's the same thing.
But yeah, man, this is what I love when you read about the history of science.
You read about famous physicists getting in real intense fights with each other.
And you see that the process of discovering the truth does involve a kind of mutual curiosity but not being afraid to say this is fucking wrong but allowing the other person to fire back because you both know that via this conflict potentially you discover something new.
And that was the attitude.
I mean like this whole thing where suddenly Normal people aren't supposed to engage in science is really fucked up when you look at like the history of science, which used to be maniacs like Newton, who they analyzed his hair.
Mercury in his fucking hair.
joe rogan
Bro, everything had poisoned it back then.
duncan trussell
Well, no, but he was experimenting with mercury.
He's like building scale replicas at the Temple of Solomon.
You know, like you look at that and you see that.
Now, Newton today...
You know, somebody like Don Lim would be like, oh really?
So you're gonna believe Isaac fucking Newton with mercury in his hair and his little dollhouse like the Temple of Solomon?
Oh yeah, he's a real scientist.
That's not what they look like.
It's like, these people were out of their fucking minds.
Sigmund Freud just injecting fucking liquid cocaine into his veins.
You look at like the history.
joe rogan
Freaking out about his mom.
duncan trussell
Freaking out about his mom, fucking shoving cigars up his ass.
I don't think he really did that, but I wouldn't be surprised.
joe rogan
I wouldn't be surprised.
duncan trussell
But, you know, you look at the history of what brilliant people who have shifted the culture actually behave like.
Tesla?
Fucking Tesla?
Like, I don't know.
joe rogan
He's in love with his pigeon.
duncan trussell
In love with a pigeon.
Didn't want to...
Like, the thought about...
Castrating himself because his sex drive was getting in the way of his research.
So he's like, I'll just chop my dick off.
joe rogan
I think he did, dude.
I think there was a description of him destroying his sexuality.
duncan trussell
Yeah, dude.
So you sort of like realize that for whatever reason, the priest class of default reality of which Don Lemon is a high priest have suddenly created this ridiculous version of scientists, of philosophers,
of intellectuals that are domesticated, People, normal fucking people, is actually really awful in the sense that all of the like philosophers and scientists out there today who are like, you know, in their filthy fucking apartments, who've been staring into a candle for like five hours, they're not thinking like, I'm a scientist!
They might be!
You don't know!
Basically, it appears that the power structures in the world want to create this homogenous version of humanity within which there's all these declawed people who completely align on a few ridiculous Absolutely.
joe rogan
And you can make those people very clawed if you bond them together to attack anybody who doesn't stay in line.
duncan trussell
That's right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
duncan trussell
That's right.
And that is what, again, like a coup or you get rid of the president, at least you know it's not the president.
Where you don't have soldiers in the streets, but a kind of societal pressure, an unending pressure trying to push.
joe rogan
Online bots.
duncan trussell
TikTok.
The reels, the algorithm, like, dude, have you ever looked at Pendulum Sync Up?
joe rogan
But I don't watch TikTok.
I don't have TikTok.
duncan trussell
I know it sucks because I try to send you some TikTok shit and you can't look at it.
joe rogan
I won't click on it.
They probably already infected my phone just because you sent me those links.
duncan trussell
I'm sorry.
joe rogan
That's probably in the user agreement.
I still send them- We agree to infect other people's phones every time you send them a link.
duncan trussell
I keep hoping you all have like- I try not to- I'm not giving in.
Well, it is so incredibly hypnotic.
Like, it is so advanced in what it does, but...
joe rogan
No, I'm interested.
duncan trussell
It's really creepy, though, because, like, it's syncing, it's homogenizing people, and that's what I don't like.
It's like it's creating this synced up, and it's creepy because, like, the TikTok dance, Is actually, if you think about it, it's really a symbol of what it's doing for a lot of other things.
Like, maybe you're not doing a choreographed dance with your family in front of the Christmas tree to some dumb song, but why is it that everything you say, I've read...
I've seen written exactly in the same way on Reddit.
Why is it that every opinion you have matches, not just like the idea doesn't match, but the way you're verbalizing the idea is like a sentence that I've heard over and over and over again in different places.
That is so spooky to me.
And so to me, like that, and also that it's called TikTok, which in my fucking paranoid universe I keep thinking, is that the TikTok of a metronome that they're talking about?
unidentified
Tick, tick, tick, tick.
duncan trussell
Getting people to dance to a certain cultural BPM. Jamie, I'm going to send you something.
joe rogan
I'm not sure if it's true, so I want you to find out if it's true.
Someone was saying that there's a whole series of people.
I saved it on Twitter.
It's a link on Twitter.
That's what it is.
There's a whole series of people who are claiming to be doctors saying the exact same thing.
duncan trussell
I saw that.
I know what you're talking about.
joe rogan
Is that real, though?
duncan trussell
I don't know.
joe rogan
The problem with those things is, like, people bullshit.
And when people—here it is.
I'll send it to you, Jamie.
When people bullshit, it's really hard to tell, you know, because if you change this and, you know, create this in Photoshop and then people start spreading it, then all of a sudden that narrative gets out and most people don't ever hear, oh, no, no, no, somebody made that in Photoshop.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
So by the time it gets around, it's like, I don't know.
I don't know if it's true or not.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
These are one of those.
So it's like if that's true and if all these doctors were tweeting out the exact same verbiage exactly...
I wonder if that's a mandate.
I wonder if they're sent something like a mass email.
duncan trussell
Mass email.
joe rogan
That says copy and paste this, perhaps.
duncan trussell
Discord server.
joe rogan
Or I wonder if they're fake doctors or I wonder if it's like some bot program designed to encourage people to go get vaccinated or whatever it was.
I just don't know if it was real, so I don't want to...
I want Dr. Jamie to look at it real quick.
duncan trussell
Thank you, Jamie.
joe rogan
Jamie's super skeptical to the point of being a liberal.
jamie vernon
Why is that the end result?
joe rogan
He's triggered.
He's triggered.
jamie vernon
That narrative gets around.
joe rogan
I know, I know.
Jamie's not a liberal, folks.
Jamie's very down the middle.
duncan trussell
Hey, Jamie's not a liberal.
joe rogan
I'd say you're a centrist.
Is that correct?
jamie vernon
Sure.
joe rogan
I think so, right?
jamie vernon
This is weird.
I'm just looking at the account.
I'm trying to figure out a way to research it.
I might have to let Twitter or Google search the image.
joe rogan
See if the thing has been community noted.
jamie vernon
I do see one different...
Here's what difference I'm noticing just looking at it.
joe rogan
Different font.
jamie vernon
Well, the third thing that they're saying is a little different because it's starting to be a joke.
Suggma is a joke.
It's something that's Suggma Nuts.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Suggma Nuts.
jamie vernon
Ligma is another one.
Suggma Nuts.
joe rogan
Hilarious.
It's hilarious.
jamie vernon
That's a brilliant troll.
joe rogan
Oh, that's very funny.
jamie vernon
It's already in troll space.
joe rogan
Okay, so it does mean...
Oh, so it could be that a bunch of people just decided to retweet it for funsies?
jamie vernon
Some of them are a response.
duncan trussell
Well, why don't you go to their accounts?
Look up any of these accounts.
jamie vernon
That's what I was going to do next.
joe rogan
Or it could have been one of those things where someone got caught.
Do you remember when there was this misinformation video that got out?
There was all these local news anchors giving the same exact speech in verbatim, in tune, in time.
It's really weird.
Play that, Jamie.
jamie vernon
Do you know how that happens?
joe rogan
Yeah, they get given some...
duncan trussell
They just get the same script.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's like local news stuff.
It's like, I mean, it usually happens with Sinclair Media.
joe rogan
Right, but it's about misinformation.
duncan trussell
Oh, yeah, right.
joe rogan
And it's weird.
It's weird, because they're basically protecting their job.
So what it is, they've been caught stealing money.
You know, they've got a big fucking pot of gold.
And the people who are at the door are like, I heard you got gold in there.
What you're hearing is misinformation.
It's all misinformation.
We are the number one source of news, and we're dedicated to give you...
The true objective...
jamie vernon
They're all reciting the same script.
joe rogan
Right.
Is it, um, what company is it that makes them...
duncan trussell
Sinclair.
joe rogan
Let's just play it, though, because it's so crazy.
That these people are the people that are in charge of giving you the news, and they're reading off this thing, pretending that these are their thoughts.
This is what's bizarre about that, where it's untenable.
Because people know those are not their thoughts.
They know they're reading off a script.
Everybody knows it.
So it doesn't work.
You're just making noise with your mouth and people are still on Twitter.
duncan trussell
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
They're still reading what's actually going on versus what you're saying.
duncan trussell
Also, you know, the idea is you get these people to dress up like humans and then just get them to, like, intone whatever the fucking thing is you want them to read, and we think they're one of us, and so we believe them.
joe rogan
Jamie, did I send you the thing where the girl is, excuse me, the woman, is giving a press conference on the UAPs and the drones, and she's saying we don't know what they are, they're not ours, and they're not an adversary's.
duncan trussell
I think I tweeted it.
joe rogan
I sent it to you, right?
duncan trussell
That's the one where she's wearing the UFO necklace.
You'll see.
She's wearing a UFO necklace.
She's a kook.
joe rogan
Is she a kook?
Who is this lady?
duncan trussell
I don't know who she is.
joe rogan
Is this a legit press conference?
duncan trussell
All I know is she's in front of a podium, so I trust her.
joe rogan
That's what I go by.
duncan trussell
It's a podium.
joe rogan
If you can get all the way the fuck up there and nobody tackles you.
duncan trussell
Must be telling the truth.
joe rogan
You gotta be legit.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're at the podium.
duncan trussell
Totally.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You're at the sacred scrolls.
duncan trussell
There's a flag behind you.
joe rogan
I'm gonna buy Ari a Torah.
You ever see the Torah?
Or the Talmud.
duncan trussell
You can just buy it?
You're going to buy the actual scroll?
joe rogan
Get someone to write it for you.
duncan trussell
That's a terrible responsibility for him because you have to treat it really carefully.
You have to put it in a vault.
joe rogan
They have dudes.
No, he's going to keep it in his living room and jerk off on it.
duncan trussell
Did he say that?
joe rogan
No.
duncan trussell
No, you won't.
unidentified
I said that.
duncan trussell
I promise you.
joe rogan
He still believes.
duncan trussell
He's not going to jerk off on the Torah, I promise you.
No, no, Talmud.
Oh, Talmud.
The tour he won't drink off on.
Dude, how about this one?
Jamie, can you find...
You remember that lady they hired for the Ministry of...
It wasn't called that, but it was like...
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, Ministry of Disinformation.
duncan trussell
Okay, can you find the Ministry of Disinformation lady singing Supercalifragilisticexpialis...
You've seen that.
Of course you've seen that.
That was crazy.
joe rogan
Cindy Orwell, I think her name is...
duncan trussell
Cindy Orwell.
joe rogan
That's not her name.
I just made that up.
unidentified
That would be awesome!
joe rogan
She's like such a loon.
And this idea that this person is going to be in charge of what's legitimate and not.
There's too many things.
This is what people are realizing.
There's too many things that they told us were not legitimate just three years ago that are 100% fact now.
And everybody knows that.
And this is this latest, what is it, the House Committee thing with COVID and the Wuhan lab leak and this lady.
duncan trussell
This is the craziest shit I've ever seen.
unidentified
Nina Jankovic Can you imagine?
How you hide a little hide a little lie.
They think we're idiots.
It's kind of catchy.
duncan trussell
I mean, she's beautiful.
unidentified
Isn't this what Animaniacs did?
duncan trussell
This is real!
jamie vernon
It feels like Animaniacs to me.
joe rogan
No, I think it's really her.
jamie vernon
No, no, I mean, but they would give information out in songs like that, song form.
And it would be informational.
joe rogan
But this was like something that she released when they were talking about her being the ministry of the head of this information.
I think it's honestly just her trying to go viral with a video about this thing that she's doing.
That's what it is.
And it's a good way to go viral.
I mean, we just talked about it.
People share it.
Even if it's preposterous, it's a good way to get attention to this thing that you're about to do and watch.
duncan trussell
It's fine if the United States isn't literally trillions of dollars in debt and partially because people like that are getting hired to sing fucking Mary Poppins shit songs about misinformation.
Then it's an atrocity!
joe rogan
She should get Nancy Pelosi money.
duncan trussell
Dude.
joe rogan
She should get...
duncan trussell
I mean, look, Nancy Pelosi deserves every penny that she...
joe rogan
Bath tub full of diamonds.
duncan trussell
Bath tub full of diamonds.
joe rogan
Just crystal and diamonds in the bathtub.
just waddle around and just hang in there until that fucking genetic engineering comes You could be young again.
duncan trussell
What was it she said?
Joe Biden should be on Mount Rushmore.
joe rogan
Yeah, good call.
He's definitely not going to send you in jail.
That guy is...
Oh, this is what I want to talk to you about.
Pardons.
I'm not opposed to the idea of being pardoned.
Because I think that there's like...
Governors can find out that someone legitimately got railroaded and they can pardon someone.
I like that.
I like that.
I like that the president can pardon some people.
I wish they pardoned Ed Snowden.
Julian Assange.
They should have pardoned Julian Assange.
I wish there was, you know, a way to stop someone from pardoning 8,000 fucking people.
And some of them are like murderers.
Some of them are the kids for cash judge.
duncan trussell
Kids for cash.
joe rogan
One of them or one of the people.
We talked about this the other day.
He's one of the people.
He had two years left in his sentence.
But still, it's the principle of the thing.
How many lives were destroyed by that kids for cash thing?
How many dehumanizing decisions were made where you decided to lock young people up in detention centers where they would get raped and beaten up and tortured and separated from their family and sent down a Horrible road of distrust of law enforcement and of authority and everything else.
Everything else.
You're basically setting them up for a life of being a fucking loser unless they have the strongest of wills and they can figure out a way to stay positive and get through it and then use that to fuel whatever the fuck they do.
That's so rare, man.
Those people are so rare.
duncan trussell
Well, here's the problem, man.
I mean, the problem is, well, number one, I think, okay, like, you pull someone over, you breathalyze them, they're driving drunk, right?
So, you're like, you can't drive now because you're drunk.
So, also, you wouldn't say to them, I'm going to give you the ability to pardon as many people as you want for any crime that you want, right?
So, if somebody has dementia...
Right!
Why can they do all the pardons?
joe rogan
That's so crazy!
That's such a great point that I never even thought of.
Why would you still give them that power?
duncan trussell
Well, the other thing that's really fucking crazy about it is, I don't know what the president makes a year, but it's not enough money.
We barely pay the president anything.
joe rogan
I think it's like $400,000.
duncan trussell
$400,000 a year.
joe rogan
You can't say that's barely enough.
duncan trussell
That's barely anything.
No, I mean for the actual job.
I mean literally every day you're shitting blood because no matter what you do, you say the wrong thing, 5,000 people accidentally die.
It's the most stressful job on earth.
I'm saying the actual thing theoretically in my mind.
So I would say, you know, in the way that we pay our football players a shit ton of money, baseball players a shit ton of money, the dude...
Theoretically, keeping our country from getting nuked should make a lot of money.
Why not?
joe rogan
How about this?
How about we pay them more, but they can't do speeches?
No speeches afterwards.
No paid speeches when you leave.
You can write books.
You can write books, but none of those paid bank speeches.
None of those $500,000 speeches.
duncan trussell
That's the pardons.
To me, it's like on your way out.
You sell pardons.
On your way out, via some God knows what mechanism that's probably been in place for a long time, people are able to give you this or that, and you pardon that person.
That's where it's fucked up.
It's like, dude, come on, bro.
Come on, man.
joe rogan
That's trading.
That's how it works.
duncan trussell
That's how it works.
unidentified
I'll give you a little of this, you'll give me a little of that, and we'll do it right in front of the world.
joe rogan
We're going to let out murderers.
duncan trussell
And then especially if you got cooed.
So especially you got cooed, you got humiliated, they didn't give you your drugs.
joe rogan
Why isn't he letting out Joe Exotic?
duncan trussell
It's insane.
joe rogan
Let him out.
duncan trussell
Why not?
joe rogan
Let him out.
duncan trussell
You're gonna do Kids for Cash, you're not gonna do Joe fucking Exotic?
joe rogan
Yeah, and how is Joe Exotic DMing me?
How is this happening?
duncan trussell
I think he, because he knows, because you will say things like this.
joe rogan
Does he have a phone in jail?
duncan trussell
Dude, I feel like...
joe rogan
Are you allowed to have a phone in jail?
Can you have a Twitter account?
duncan trussell
Joe, I feel like right now, because of you aiding Trump and getting elected, and I don't think you're the kind of person to do this, but I do feel like you could probably call in at least one favor.
joe rogan
Get Joe Exotic out.
duncan trussell
Dude!
Why not for all of us?
joe rogan
Russ Albrecht first.
duncan trussell
Okay, sure.
joe rogan
I think Trump committed to doing that, to releasing.
duncan trussell
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Does that find out if that's true, Jamie?
I believe it is.
I believe it was one of those Bitcoin fucking things that he did.
jamie vernon
Dave said that, the libertarian thing.
joe rogan
Yes, that's right, libertarian.
I said libertarian and bitcoin are the same fucking category in my brain.
When I'm barely tuned in, it's all the same.
It's like NFT, libertarian, bitcoin, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever.
I'm a libertarian.
In paper, it's a great idea.
It's not a real party.
duncan trussell
I'm a sovereign citizen.
joe rogan
I'm a sovereign citizen, too.
duncan trussell
Really?
Yeah, it's great.
joe rogan
But I'm not of this planet.
duncan trussell
Where are you from?
The Pleiades?
joe rogan
I'm from everywhere.
I'm from everywhere, man.
I'm Johnny Cash.
duncan trussell
Dude, that's a lot of places.
joe rogan
I've been everywhere, man.
What a great song.
duncan trussell
What a great fucking song.
joe rogan
Johnny Cash was the fucking man.
duncan trussell
He was the fucking man.
That's an incarnation I would pick.
If there's a VHS library of incarnations, there's a long line to be Johnny Cash.
I'm picking Johnny Cash.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
duncan trussell
Top ten, probably.
joe rogan
Can you imagine being Johnny Cash when he played at Folsom Prison?
Folsom Prison Blues?
duncan trussell
It's the most incredible thing.
joe rogan
He played at the prison.
duncan trussell
It's incredible.
joe rogan
Paul Rodriguez did a comedy special at a prison.
Like, way back in the day.
I forget when it was, but I remember, I believe it was an HBO special.
And he did it live from a prison, which is fucking buck wild.
duncan trussell
So badass.
joe rogan
Buck wild.
I mean, if you were going to do that, you would have to work.
You know who could do that?
Joey Diaz, 100%.
Easily.
100%.
He would murder in a prison.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, metaphorically.
duncan trussell
I mean, if there was a simulator, and this is, again, like...
joe rogan
Is this Paul Rudd?
Oh, my God.
Behind bars, live in San Quentin, 1991. Damn.
Damn.
Respect to Paul Rodriguez.
I don't even know if it worked.
Are they laughing?
Are they laughing?
Looks like they're having a good time.
duncan trussell
They have to.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
No, they don't have to.
duncan trussell
I'm joking.
I'm sure they don't.
joe rogan
They just rush him.
How's the guards going to stop by the time they beat him to death?
duncan trussell
I mean...
joe rogan
50 dudes just rush him?
duncan trussell
Seriously, you're thinking about that before you go on stage.
joe rogan
They like Paul Rodriguez.
duncan trussell
I mean, yeah.
How do you know?
It's San Quentin.
joe rogan
He was popular at the time.
He is still popular, but he was very, very popular at the time.
duncan trussell
There's a guy probably in the audience who wore his daughter's entrails as a necklace.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Ate his neighbors.
Fucked his dog.
duncan trussell
It's badass.
That's a badass move.
joe rogan
Crazy move.
duncan trussell
That's a badass move.
I mean, dude.
When you think about all the shit that we're talking about and really when you sort of look at like just among our group of friends the insane events the last few months Tony Hinchcliffe was misquoted by Obama I mean there was a speaker at the Trump rally who said Puerto Rico is a pile of garbage Those are human beings!
Dude.
I mean...
joe rogan
Nobody's aged harder than that dude.
duncan trussell
Well, he's withered.
joe rogan
Bro, but those are like...
These are vampire years.
These are like you got bit by a leech.
Like, you got a parasite.
Yeah.
unidentified
Years.
duncan trussell
Reading the Necronomicon or something.
joe rogan
Yeah, right, right, right.
You have the Ark of Covenant in your bedroom.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, you're cooking.
duncan trussell
You're cooking.
joe rogan
You're aging.
Like, you look...
You age 50 fucking years.
You look like a really good-looking 70-year-old.
There's something weird.
duncan trussell
I mean, just think about what that's like to be the star.
I'm saying as far as power goes, I think power must be so addictive.
And so you're the fucking president, not just the president, you're like this kind of rockstar president for a second.
joe rogan
Yeah, one of the greatest presidents of all time.
duncan trussell
Of all time.
And so you lose that power.
And now what?
You know what I mean?
Now what?
And then you try desperately to, like, grab control of the thing and you can't.
It didn't work.
So, essentially, whatever, like, prana or energy you've been extracting from having that kind of power, it's gone.
joe rogan
It's gone.
duncan trussell
Now you have the nice house, but really, what's left?
You are at the fucking control board for America, and now nothing.
You wither.
You deflate.
joe rogan
No purpose.
duncan trussell
No purpose.
joe rogan
I think we're going to be able to read minds in five years, and all this is going to be a moot point.
I think it's going to all go out the window.
I think quantum computing is going to crush encryption.
We're going to have a real problem with currency worldwide.
We're going to have to figure out how to redistribute resources without conventional capitalism.
There's going to be some weird new shifting that's going to come along with the birth of this AI that's way more intelligent than us.
And everything's going to get super fucking weird and we're not ready for it.
And we think that we, oh, we have to be ready for it.
It's not going to happen like that because I'm not ready for it.
No one's ready for it.
No, it couldn't happen.
Just like a super volcano, just like an asteroid impact, it can happen and you're not ready for it.
duncan trussell
That's right.
joe rogan
And a lot of us might not make it.
duncan trussell
That's right.
Dude, okay.
This, as far as like AGI goes, When Altman came out and said this year, the CEO from the company, I don't know, one of the other AIs, said two years from now, I think.
But the idea is if Biden came out and was like, guys...
Got some news.
We've detected a mothership.
It's coming to the planet in a year.
We don't understand anything about who they are other than they must have extraordinary technology based on what we've seen of their ship.
I'm good.
The whole planet...
The next few years would just be getting ready.
NASA, anthropologists, philosophers, scientists, defense people.
What do we do if they want to fuck us up?
What do we do?
How do you interact with aliens?
But having these tech people say, we are about to have a brand new species, essentially, a technological species, and AGI is coming to the planet that will surpass Us, as far as being able to solve problems, we'll know everything.
It's going to be here in about a year, maybe two years.
You would think the reaction to that would be, okay, we've got to get ready for this.
What does that mean?
What's going to happen?
joe rogan
And we can't get ready.
Maybe that's what this scramble is all about, that we just have to fucking die screaming.
duncan trussell
Merry Christmas!
Ho ho ho!
joe rogan
Maybe it can't be solved, just like Australopithecus couldn't figure out how to make a plane.
We're not prepared for it.
And we're not supposed to last.
We're supposed to carry on to the next thing.
And the next thing will still be us.
That's what's going to be weird.
The next thing is going to still be us.
We just want us to stay us like this.
We want, you know, fucking blues songs and we want to drink whiskey.
duncan trussell
Sure.
joe rogan
We want to smoke cigarettes.
We want to, like, get in fist fights.
We want us to stay us.
It's not going to happen.
duncan trussell
I'm sure if...
You could travel back in time, and there was an intelligent, semi-intelligent version of humanity, one of our ancestors, who still had a workable tail.
And you're like, hey, I want to show you what you're going to grow into.
And probably there'd be a lot of things you're excited about.
Whoa!
Cars!
Incredible!
Jesus Christ!
You can shit in your own house?
Wow!
But then they would see that we didn't have tails.
And they'd be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa!
I'm not doing that if I lose my tail.
So this is for sure the sort of cultural drama that we're seeing.
And, you know, the trans controversy.
There's aspects to it where, like, yeah, dude shouldn't be in sports.
But the reality is, where we're going is going to make that controversy seem like nothing.
joe rogan
Not only that, it seems like if you wanted to have an evolutionary path towards a genderless society, Wouldn't you have that society, if you wanted to tame the wild primate, wouldn't you have that society be completely addicted to plastic?
They use plastic for everything, which is an endocrine disruptor.
So you have these plastic and these chemicals that get into the body, lower testosterone, shrink dicks, shrink taints.
Dr. Shanna Swann's work.
duncan trussell
They shrink taints?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Shanna Swann, have you ever talked to her?
duncan trussell
I didn't know the taint could shrink.
joe rogan
You should talk...
No, well, it's in utero.
So this is what happens.
When you introduce mammals to...
Her book is called...
Countdown.
That's right.
I used to remember it.
It's a great book.
She's really fun, too.
She's a really fascinating person.
But what they found is, with mammals, when you introduce phthalates, which are these plastics, like microplastics and the chemicals that come off of them, into pregnant women or pregnant mice, the babies have smaller taints.
And then the taint is one of the best ways to distinguish a male or a female in mammals.
No way!
In males, the taint is 50 to 100% longer.
duncan trussell
Is it really called the taint?
joe rogan
Yes.
They don't call it the taint.
They have a word for it, she told me, but she calls it the taint because she's fun.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
She has a thing on her website called the Jizz Quiz.
It's very funny.
She's very funny.
And she's, you know, a really distinguished professor.
But what she's saying essentially is that these plastics are lowering hormone levels.
They are lowering birth rate levels.
They're increasing in the amount of miscarriages that women have.
So that all these things she believes are completely connected.
And that this hormone disruptor that is on these plastics is causing people to become sicker and a little bit deformed because your hormones aren't expressing themselves correctly because they're being poisoned.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
If you were a society, like if you were going to get to where the aliens are, they look genderless, don't they?
duncan trussell
Yeah, sure.
joe rogan
Don't you think that's probably us in the future?
duncan trussell
Aren't you glad they're genderless?
joe rogan
Sure.
duncan trussell
Can you imagine if the grays had big swinging dicks?
joe rogan
Giant hogs.
duncan trussell
It would be horrible.
Those gray pictures would be very different.
joe rogan
Very different.
Standing over your bed, jacking off on your face.
duncan trussell
Horrible.
joe rogan
Yeah, while you're paralyzed.
You're sitting there like, oh, this fucking piece of shit.
I think that we are clinging to this idea of male and female.
Look, I think currently there are male and females, for sure.
And this is why I'm...
Completely opposed to biological males who have mental illness, and that's what gender dysphoria is, even if you're being kind.
It's a mental illness.
Whatever it is, you're not well in who you are.
You wish you were a different gender.
I fully support you.
But you can't compete with biological females.
We can't pretend that you're a biological female because we want you to feel good.
You have massive physical advantages.
They've been clearly documented.
Anybody who says any differently is full of shit.
Talk to Riley Gaines.
Talk to her.
She's the expert in this shit.
She had to go through that shit with swimming.
duncan trussell
It feels crazy to me that you have to say that.
joe rogan
It's so crazy.
It's so crazy that you have to say that to liberals who always wanted to protect women.
The whole thing is bonkers, but it just goes to show you it's not real.
This idea of left and right is not real.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
These are just masks that people put on.
These are just a conglomeration of opinions that people adopt.
Most people have not thought most of the things through.
They don't have the time.
They have to work all fucking day.
They have a family.
Maybe they have a hobby.
They're trying to get out and play hoops with their friends.
Maybe they get together with their buddies and they want to play video games one night a week.
You know, like, Jesus Christ.
They don't have fucking time to pay attention to all this crazy shit.
And that's what's really going on.
Most people are just, like, deciding that, you know, I'm a progressive.
I will repeat progressive talking points.
I will violently defend a woman's right to choose.
And they get into these patterns.
And then the same thing happens on the right.
The exact same thing.
Exact same thing.
That's why, like, the right is against the war in Ukraine and the left is supporting it.
It's like, this is like Vietnam in reverse.
The whole thing is fucking bananas.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
You know, the right is insisting on free speech.
They were the motherfuckers that were censoring everybody.
duncan trussell
I know.
joe rogan
They wanted to lock Howard Stern up in jail.
unidentified
I know.
duncan trussell
He had to fight the FCC. Crazy.
joe rogan
They sued him.
unidentified
His fucking parent company had to pay untold amounts of money.
I don't even...
joe rogan
How much money did Howard Stern's company get fined?
It was hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions.
Insane amounts of money.
The fucking government was trying to shut down a radio guy for talking shit.
duncan trussell
It's crazy.
joe rogan
And now that's the left.
It's just patterns, man.
It's just patterns where people can justify certain behaviors because it aligns with their ideology.
duncan trussell
That's right.
And also, where it gets really fucked up is you are dancing to a song that basically there's like, here's two songs.
There's two songs you can dance to.
The right song or the song of the left.
The metronome is beating out two, I guess, somewhat different rhythms.
People dance to those.
They get in fights over, you gotta do hard dance!
Meanwhile, there's a million other songs out there you could be dancing to.
And there are songs that are much older than America, much older than maybe the planet itself.
That's why I really think it's creepy the way that Christianity or any religion where there's theism Right.
And they don't like that.
They don't like that because suddenly you're supposed to be perturbed.
Like, you know, that stupid bump.
joe rogan
But it's also the arrogance of intellectualism.
You know, you get really smart and these ideas of these fairy tales seem preposterous to you.
duncan trussell
That's right.
joe rogan
And you don't want to accept that maybe what it is is a moral scaffolding that keeps society glued together.
And it's probably based on some truth.
There's some of it that seems to be a history of the world.
duncan trussell
Oh, and also to most people that I have encountered, A lot of people I've encountered who are rejecting this religion or that.
I get it.
It's religious trauma.
I just ran into somebody at Best Buy who recognized me.
We had a long conversation.
It's religious trauma.
They were raised in some kind of form of spiritual abuse.
Snake handlers.
Bingo.
But listen, if you want to handle snakes, great.
The problem is if you tell a kid to disregard their rational mind.
In other words, the introduction to the conversation of questions regarding this or that are not met with like, oh yeah, that's a good question.
I don't know.
But are met with...
You're going to hell!
You're going to hell!
You're demon possessed!
So then you experience that and of course you must reject the thing.
It's like when you have a hangover and you smell tequila, you can't connect.
So I get it.
But the main thing is what I love about religion or Christianity is it's like just try it on for size.
What happens if you pray?
I know you don't believe in it.
Sounds insane.
What the fuck are they talking about?
Sounds absolutely nuts.
I know it sounds absolutely nuts.
Now, what happens if you pray?
Just for a few days, what happens if you pray?
And then, once you start doing the experiment, it starts off with like...
This is just...
I'm gonna do it.
It's probably bullshit.
Opium of the masses.
But then you realize...
You're getting pulled in, not in a bad way, but right away there seems to be some feeling of connection, some sense of something a little different than what you're used to experiencing.
And sometimes that can get really scary for people.
And they're like, fuck this!
No!
It's getting me!
And it's like, to me, that should be the experiment of anyone who's skeptical.
And if you're skeptical about Christianity or any religion, you should be.
You should 100% be skeptical of...
It's like what Mark Twain said.
Religion is what happened when the first con man met the first fool.
You should be skeptical.
But if you read the Gospels...
And you realize part of the story there is an invitation to connect on your own.
You don't need the priest class.
You don't have to listen to the fucking rules.
It's just between you and the eternal and see what happens.
To me, that's the number one thing is just investigate, explore, and don't let anyone subvert your rational mind.
Use that as a form of connecting with the thing.
Even if you connect via rejection, it's still worth like a wholehearted exploration, at the very least to experience a cultural trance.
I don't think that's what it is.
joe rogan
Maybe what that cultural trance is, this is like...
It's a pattern that you can follow that can connect you to the divine.
There's a bunch of these different patterns.
This pattern might be Buddhism.
This pattern might be Islam.
This pattern might be even Mormonism.
Even Scientology.
duncan trussell
Definitely Scientology.
joe rogan
I think all of them can be distorted.
All of them can be subverted.
All of them can have those guys that have private jets and Rolls Royces and you know those fucking crazy arena guys.
All of it can go in that direction.
But all of it is kind of a moral scaffolding that seems to be designed to help us in this journey of getting away from the primate instincts.
duncan trussell
That's right.
All of it.
And also...
joe rogan
Connecting to each other.
duncan trussell
And transcending state propaganda.
This is my favorite verse in the Bible.
They're trying to trick Jesus.
I don't know, they're asking.
joe rogan
Imagine being so cocky you think you can trick Jesus.
duncan trussell
I would try.
joe rogan
I got it.
duncan trussell
Maybe.
joe rogan
Fuck that dude.
duncan trussell
Would be cool if you could.
joe rogan
I'm gonna bring out three card money.
duncan trussell
We're gonna get him!
joe rogan
Imagine Jesus walking down New York City and watching him play three card money and getting suckered in.
You're like, hey, I thought you were the fucking...
I thought you were the guy.
Hey, man.
Don't do that.
Don't understand.
It's not the same card.
Oh, my God.
Jesus Christ.
You don't have any more shekels.
You're out of shekels.
duncan trussell
Is that what they use, shekels?
joe rogan
I guess.
What did they have back then?
duncan trussell
I don't know.
Denarius?
joe rogan
What kind of dollars did they have?
What unit of money was around when Jesus existed?
Super good question.
I wish I knew it.
Be a clever thing to say.
Shekels sounds good, though.
Shekels is a fun name for coins.
duncan trussell
Shekels.
joe rogan
Shekels.
Was it Shekels?
jamie vernon
It comes up with a Phoenician shekel and a half shekel.
joe rogan
Let's fucking go.
duncan trussell
Fucking Shekels.
joe rogan
Let's fucking go.
It's Shekels, son.
duncan trussell
There you go.
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
So imagine Jesus blew all his shekels on three-card money.
Jesus.
duncan trussell
Jesus.
joe rogan
We just stick to being the fucking Messiah.
duncan trussell
What are you doing?
Why are you here again?
joe rogan
He gets hustled in a basketball game.
Like, Jesus.
duncan trussell
You're gonna question everything.
joe rogan
You're not good at basketball and you can't run in those fucking sandals.
duncan trussell
Why are you doing this?
You can turn water into wine.
Let's sell fucking wine.
joe rogan
Losing money in basketball.
He plays horse with people.
He keeps missing.
duncan trussell
Wow!
That would really be weird.
joe rogan
Jesus would have to be really good at badminton.
If he plays badminton, he's gotta win.
He's gonna win.
Well, I'm not gonna believe you're Jesus if you can't wrestle.
duncan trussell
If you're bad at pinball.
joe rogan
If you get pinned, if you get pinned really quick in a wrestling match, like, what the fuck, dude?
duncan trussell
Dude, yeah, he's gotta be good at everything.
joe rogan
Somebody rear naked chokes Jesus 30 seconds in a match.
duncan trussell
You're doing it and you're like, I don't know, he's not tapping out.
joe rogan
He doesn't know what the fuck to do.
He doesn't know shit, he's a white belt.
Why is he in this competition?
Jesus goes to the UFO Open Golf Tournament and everybody's like, Jesus fucking sucks at golf.
He can't even fucking hit the ball.
Somebody show him how to hit the ball.
duncan trussell
Dana White, why did you let Jesus compete in the UFC? Jesus is playing pickleball.
joe rogan
Just falling down.
Not good at pickleball.
duncan trussell
I know.
joe rogan
People would be so disappointed in Jesus.
duncan trussell
Everything, the way he walked.
joe rogan
Just bowled a gutter ball every time.
You fucking dummy.
What are you doing?
duncan trussell
Farts in the car.
Just that.
You gotta be like, dude.
Roll the window down.
Just...
joe rogan
Everybody smelled back then.
I think farts probably like cleared the air a little.
Something interesting to smell.
Some new thing instead of these shitty asses that I smell everywhere.
duncan trussell
I just read that they used to think smelling farts in a jar would cure diseases.
joe rogan
What, it doesn't?
duncan trussell
How do you save a fart in a jar?
joe rogan
Cancel my subscription.
duncan trussell
How do you mail that?
joe rogan
There was some young lady that we featured on the podcast at one point in time was making a ton of money farting in jars.
duncan trussell
Selling her farts?
joe rogan
Yeah, selling farts.
duncan trussell
Dude, that's incredible.
joe rogan
I hope she didn't even fart in those jars.
I hope those dummies.
duncan trussell
It wasn't even that long ago since 2014. No, smelling farts in a jar does not cure disease.
joe rogan
It does.
You don't know.
You don't know.
duncan trussell
Read that!
joe rogan
My chiropractor told me that smelling farts was the way to go.
duncan trussell
These claims are based on the University of Exeter press release that was not about smelling farts.
unidentified
Imagine.
joe rogan
Have you heard of this new medication they're giving cows to make them fart less?
unidentified
There you go.
jamie vernon
During the plague.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah.
jamie vernon
Almost what you said.
That's not far off from what this says.
It's just something better to smell.
joe rogan
A jar of farts?
The Great Plague of London in the 1600s was a scary time.
The public was willing to just manage to stay healthy, including sniffing a jar of their own farts.
Back then, doctors were apparently convinced that the plague was spread via deadly air vapor and that a foul-smelling substance could dilute the pollution.
As such, some locals apparently took to storing their farts in jars, just in case the situation suddenly demanded a quick whiff.
duncan trussell
Honey, open the fart cabinet!
joe rogan
Open the old vintage farts.
I'm going to get them farts from when I was 23 and I had a good gut biome.
duncan trussell
Dude, like...
joe rogan
That's so hilarious.
duncan trussell
That is so fucking crazy.
joe rogan
I want to know how long it lasted because, for what I understand, you can't really fart in a jar and keep it there.
By the time you seal it up, it's probably sealed up with so much oxygen.
duncan trussell
There's only one way to find out.
joe rogan
Get Ari.
duncan trussell
Get Ari to fart in a jar and smell it.
joe rogan
He'll just shit in there and lie to you.
unidentified
He's so gross.
joe rogan
Ari just shits publicly.
He's out of his mind.
duncan trussell
How do you get the fart in the jar?
unidentified
I guess you put the jar up to your asshole when you've got to fart.
duncan trussell
But then you've got to get the cap on real fast.
joe rogan
Quick, real quick, like a ninja.
duncan trussell
Jamie, can you Google it?
joe rogan
You're going to get a little bit of air in there.
You know what I mean?
It's like moonshine.
It's not 100% alcohol.
duncan trussell
You'd use a tube if you were a pro.
joe rogan
Yeah, you would use a tube.
duncan trussell
A tube going into the jar.
joe rogan
You would have a diaper, a big gas diaper completely sealed to your ass like a COVID mask, and then you would just fart into that tube and it would go into that jar, and then you'd do it all day long.
There'd be a robot there that would seal that jar off so it's pure.
duncan trussell
How do you know when your jar's filled?
joe rogan
What if you gave me a half-assed fart?
I want a real fart.
duncan trussell
Or just the jar only has, yeah, a little fart.
joe rogan
I want a 3.30 a.m.
Taco Bell fart.
duncan trussell
Dude.
joe rogan
That's what I want.
I want one of those farts where you're in the car and you buy Taco Bell and you immediately hate yourself.
jamie vernon
Here's a study on it.
It depends on the container.
joe rogan
There's a study on farts in a jar!
unidentified
You might need to use glass versus metal containers.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
jamie vernon
It dissipates over days, obviously.
joe rogan
Who did this study?
Some awesome scientists.
jamie vernon
Halshine and...
duncan trussell
Jaxia.
Why is it called anal...
Wait, that can't be real.
joe rogan
Anal chemistry.
jamie vernon
No, it's like a...
joe rogan
No, that's my study.
My field of study.
duncan trussell
Anal chemistry.
jamie vernon
Just go with that.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
Jesus Christ.
Literally.
duncan trussell
I mean, you...
joe rogan
Farting in jars.
duncan trussell
The sad thing about that article, though, because it comes out, and so that means there's people who think farts in a jar can cure cancer, and that means that somebody was laying in bed dying, and someone who loved them came up and said, I know this is going to seem weird, Dad, but I need you to smell this.
There was people dying.
joe rogan
But again, this brings us back to the placebo effect.
duncan trussell
Could work.
joe rogan
Because I think almost everything works.
It just doesn't work when your streets are filled with sewer.
I think that was what everybody was dying of back then.
It was horrible, fucking...
Terribly unsanitary conditions everywhere.
Everything was covered in shit.
Everything was shit.
Shitty water.
You have no running water and you have a bunch of people living together.
You have horrible diseases.
jamie vernon
According to their study, one of those jars, if found, could maybe have the fart from the 17th century.
unidentified
Wow!
duncan trussell
Now that's a horror movie right there.
Like you find like a 17th century fart.
joe rogan
You sniff that fart and then you immediately turn into like one of those 28 Days Later zombies.
And then it spreads.
This virus has had a chance to adapt and evolve and plan its strategy while trapped inside this jar and get back at the humans.
Because it doesn't have to die.
So it lives in this guy's butt gas and then it evolves over hundreds of years.
Figure out Through the multiverse, how to communicate with other bacteria everywhere and devise a strategy to morph itself over thousands and thousands of generations of new viruses to become some crazy rage virus.
duncan trussell
By the way, man.
joe rogan
There's a new one coming out.
duncan trussell
Here's the other thing.
Maybe that is the fountain of youth.
Maybe the thing they're trying to hide from us, the most obvious thing, is if you smell an aged fart, you're going to reverse age.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Maybe snake oil works.
jamie vernon
There's a science on...
How do you harvest?
duncan trussell
The best way to harvest is underwater.
joe rogan
Oh, science.
Super science.
duncan trussell
Oh, there you go!
jamie vernon
Don't try to catch the fart in there.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you've got to be accurate.
You've got to be accurate with your farts.
duncan trussell
Jamie, can you YouTube smelling my...
joe rogan
But then how do you close the gap?
You gotta slide a lid in there.
You might get a little water in your farts.
jamie vernon
Yeah, that's fine.
unidentified
No!
joe rogan
You can't have farts and the water together.
jamie vernon
They're separate things.
joe rogan
Oh, so when you open it, it'll be pure farts, but a little bit of water at the bottom.
How do I know that the water isn't diluting and slowly washing the farts over 200 years?
jamie vernon
That's not how science works.
duncan trussell
Jamie, can you scroll up a little bit?
unidentified
Yeah!
joe rogan
Fart science!
In my degree in farts.
jamie vernon
Sorry.
duncan trussell
Can you pull that up again?
I find it interesting that someone wrote an entire essay on how to do this.
Will you go back to the beginning?
I just want to read the...
How do you introduce the story here?
joe rogan
How do you bring this up to a fucking person where you want a grant?
duncan trussell
I recently caught my four-year-old nephew attempting to fart into a jar in the hopes of saving it for later to surprise Grant.
joe rogan
LAUGHTER This is not the first time I've encountered a little boy with a dream of bottling his own farts.
Years ago, my younger cousin, let's call him Jay, had a whole shelf of dated mason jars in their barn.
He was very proud of his collection.
That kid is killing cats.
That's a fucking serial killer.
He's got a fucking shelf of dated jars of his farts.
What a fucking psychopath.
unidentified
Jay!
duncan trussell
Jeffrey Dahmer.
joe rogan
He has nothing better to do than just fart in jars.
duncan trussell
I wanted to show you my jar collection.
Those are my farts.
Now that's New Year's Eve.
joe rogan
And he's torturing animals.
duncan trussell
That's a fart when September 11th happens.
That was a fear fart.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
duncan trussell
Wow.
joe rogan
Duncan, we gotta wrap this up, unfortunately.
duncan trussell
What a joy.
joe rogan
What a joy, always.
duncan trussell
Thanks for having me on, Joe.
Merry Christmas.
joe rogan
Bro, I feel like we could just do another eight hours in a row.
Easily.
I didn't even have to pee once.
duncan trussell
I know!
It's crazy.
Like me either.
I don't know what happened.
Usually you have to piss like four times for this.
joe rogan
I know.
We were locked in.
I appreciate you very much, brother.
duncan trussell
Likewise.
joe rogan
Love you, man.
I love you to death.
You're one of my favorite people.
You really are.
duncan trussell
You are too, man.
joe rogan
You're a real treasure.
duncan trussell
Thank you, Jeff.
joe rogan
And these are some of my favorite podcasts of all time.
unidentified
Thanks, man.
joe rogan
This is a weird combination of the two of us.
duncan trussell
I love it!
joe rogan
We sync up in the weirdest way, man.
duncan trussell
It's the best, man.
joe rogan
It is.
That's it, man.
I love you.
unidentified
Merry Christmas.
Love you too.
duncan trussell
Merry Christmas.
joe rogan
Bye, everybody.
Bye!
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