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unidentified
The Joe Rogan Experience.
joe rogan
Train by day.
unidentified
Joe Rogan Podcast by night.
All day.
theo von
These are like conversation condoms, aren't they?
joe rogan
Yeah, a little bit.
Well, it's like a safe room.
Blocks out the world.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Conversation only exists inside your ears.
You know?
Locks you in.
I think it locks you in.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what I like about it.
theo von
Yeah, it's almost like a football player kind of putting on their helmet.
joe rogan
Right.
Ready to go.
theo von
You're like, we're ready for this.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yo, how fun was election night at the mothership?
theo von
It was baffling, man.
I mean, here, I'll tell you.
It was...
joe rogan
It was so much fun.
We had such a good time.
That green room was so positive.
theo von
My favorite part, at one point, they were playing that song.
unidentified
You talk about a revolution.
theo von
People were dancing.
People were smoking weed.
I think there was a baby smoking weed.
Everybody was like...
It was crazy, dude.
Adam and Eve were in there.
There was just a lot going on.
joe rogan
It felt like...
America's brighter.
That's what it felt like.
We were moving towards this insane world where we're being controlled by liars.
We're just being gaslit left and right.
We saw it all over the media.
We saw it all over the news.
Things that were right in front of your face, they're trying to deny.
There's just so much craziness, and then all of a sudden...
Did you see the map of the actual country?
Like how many places actually voted red?
theo von
Oh no, I don't know if I saw that or not.
joe rogan
It's just a few cities.
Even California was mostly red.
That's what's crazy.
theo von
I don't know if I saw that.
unidentified
I'm trying to think of what I saw.
theo von
Tony was nervous, remember?
joe rogan
Dude, he better be fucking nervous.
theo von
Dude, I kept just going up to him and going, Feliz Navidad to fucking get his vibes.
joe rogan
Look at that.
theo von
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
This is the one I saw Jamie, I'll send this to you.
It's got music to it.
theo von
This was like when I got that hair surgery.
What I'm talking about?
joe rogan
They play music in the background?
theo von
No, but it looks like that pattern.
joe rogan
Let me see that again.
Yeah, it looks a lot like that, like a transplant.
Yeah, micrographs.
theo von
Yeah, that's what it looks like, man.
joe rogan
So what I sent you, Jamie, it just shows like the entire country.
Did I show you?
Look at that.
theo von
Oh, that's interesting.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
There's no blue states, just blue cities.
theo von
Well, then why do you think the cities and states are so much different then?
joe rogan
Well, cities are always going to be blue.
It's normal.
There's a lot of factors.
One of them is...
You have massive populations of people, right?
And you – when you have massive populations of people, a lot of times it's based around universities.
Like Los Angeles is slightly different because Los Angeles has universities but really it's like more around Hollywood which is equally delusional.
But most big cities are flavored by a university.
Like Austin is flavored by the University of Texas.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's why Austin is progressive.
Austin is, for people that don't know outside of Texas, Austin is one of the most progressive cities.
Like if you look at, we voted in Austin, the city of Austin voted more for Kamala Harris than the city of Los Angeles did.
theo von
Oh, wow.
Really?
joe rogan
A higher percentage of Democrats voted for Kamala Harris than even Los Angeles.
theo von
Well, I think a lot—it seems like a lot of Democrats—I don't know a ton about politics, but it seems like a lot of Democrats—I understand a lot of the voting because it's hopeful voting.
It's like wishful thinking.
joe rogan
Well, they're feeding off of narratives.
Like, you're a good person if you believe this.
But the consequences are what they're ignoring.
The pretending that the economy's in a great place.
That's crazy.
Talk to anybody who's broke.
Talk to anybody who's struggling to pay for bills and groceries.
Talk to anybody who's trying to buy a car.
The economy is bananas right now.
It's sketchy.
Very sketchy.
theo von
People are robbing each other on Facebook Marketplace.
joe rogan
A lot of it is recovering from COVID, I'm sure.
I mean, there's probably a lot of blowback from that.
I mean, they shut the whole fucking country down, which is just so nuts.
theo von
That was insane, man.
I think that's one of the...
But yeah, people are robbing each other on Facebook Marketplace.
My buddy was going to buy a couple walkie-talkies off a guy, right?
Gets fucking mugged, right?
unidentified
Really?
theo von
Yeah.
He was going to buy a couple of...
joe rogan
So he meets the guy to go get the walkie-talkies and the guy mugs him?
theo von
That's like the seventh story I've heard.
But it's like people are doing crime – people are resorting to crime.
And that's when it's not good, I feel like.
joe rogan
Well, not just that.
theo von
When people are resorting to crime.
joe rogan
This administration did that I think is terrible, and this is a progressive liberal thing, is that you have these DAs, these George Soros-funded DAs that just let people out for violent crime.
And get the no cash bail thing.
And when there's no repercussions for crime, guess what?
Crime goes way the fuck up.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
theo von
If I'm a criminal and they're like, hey, it's crime time or whatever, I'm going to fucking put on my cleats or whatever.
I'm going to get out there.
joe rogan
You know, you're going to go to jail and you're just going to get released.
theo von
Yeah.
It's like catch and release.
It's almost like the fishing rules or whatever.
unidentified
Like if you go trout fishing in the lake.
theo von
I mean, a little bit.
joe rogan
You're a fly fisherman.
You used to be a cop, now you're a fly fisherman with barbless hooks.
theo von
You just have a pair of Nikes on the hook?
Yeah, you just put them out there.
joe rogan
Yeah, those fishermen, they use barbless hooks.
And then they let the fish go.
theo von
I went fly fishing recently.
joe rogan
Yeah?
theo von
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
Did you have a good time?
theo von
Yeah, you know what I did?
I thought it was like, um...
Let me think about what I thought it was like, uh...
joe rogan
It's the more sophisticated way to go fishing.
theo von
Yes, it was like, excuse me, fish.
joe rogan
Yes, gentle cast.
theo von
Yes.
It was like, hey.
joe rogan
It also requires a lot more skill.
theo von
Well, it requires more patience.
joe rogan
For sure.
theo von
You can't, like, if you have a kid or whatever, you can't do it.
Like, if you're just fishing on the bank, you can have your kid and you can be sitting there smoking or whatever your kid likes to do, you know?
But if you're in that, you have to constantly be moving it, you know?
It's very kind of like...
It's kind of homoerotic almost.
It's like, hey fish or whatever.
joe rogan
Oh, it's flailing.
theo von
It's like, hey fish.
joe rogan
I think so?
theo von
Yeah, dude.
unidentified
You haven't seen those guys?
theo von
It's like, hey fish, I'm over here.
I'm over here, boys.
joe rogan
The least sophisticated form of fishing is like a bobber with a worm on it.
That's the least.
You throw it out there.
adam ray
But that's some of the most fun fishing because when that bobber starts moving, you're like, oh shit.
joe rogan
Oh shit, I think we got one.
Oh shit.
theo von
It's like jaws all of a sudden.
joe rogan
Bro, fishing is so exciting.
theo von
Yeah, my grandma used to take us fishing, dude, and she was like a...
Malignant fisherman or whatever, and she would...
joe rogan
Degenerate?
theo von
Yeah, like very...
unidentified
What do you mean by malignant?
theo von
She was like a staunch fisherman.
Staunch?
Like, we're fishing, you know?
joe rogan
Oh, aggressive.
theo von
You better not fucking not fish, you know?
unidentified
Really?
theo von
She would kind of have that kind of behavior.
Yeah, she was very...
You better fucking fish, white boy.
unidentified
Whoa.
theo von
You know, she would kind of be like that.
Yes, very aggressive, right?
joe rogan
About fishing for little kids.
theo von
Yeah.
And we'd have to be quiet and look straight out and wait for the bobber.
But she loved to fish.
joe rogan
Did she love to eat fish?
theo von
Yep, she liked to skin them and grill them and everything.
unidentified
Yeah?
theo von
Yeah, it was cool.
joe rogan
What kind of fish?
theo von
Mostly catfish, bullheads.
We used to fish up in Spoon River up in Illinois.
joe rogan
Did you guys use chicken liver?
Yeah.
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theo von
We would get out there, we'd have a little thermos full of chicken liver.
joe rogan
Yeah, chicken liver works, man.
theo von
My grandfather would say anything and she'd fucking look at him.
He wouldn't talk for a month after that.
joe rogan
She was the fisherman.
theo von
She was.
joe rogan
The fisherwoman.
theo von
Yeah, she loved to fish.
I think she liked catching her own meals.
She didn't like to hunt, but she liked to fish.
joe rogan
What's that fucking dude's name?
The chubby dude that dressed up like the devil and everybody got mad.
He's a singer.
Sam.
What's that?
unidentified
Sam Smith.
joe rogan
Sam Smith.
Yeah.
He said he wanted to be a fisher-them.
theo von
Oh, God.
unidentified
Not a fisherman, a fisher-her, a fisher-she.
theo von
A fisher-them!
Yeah, that's wild.
joe rogan
The they-them thing, that's the best evidence you need that people are out of their fucking minds.
You can't be plural, you fucking idiot.
Stop.
theo von
The only thing I think it's like, it's almost...
If you're being plural, you're...
I don't understand it.
If you're being plural, are you being...
There's more of me, kind of?
That's what I understand.
Is it like an ego trip?
That's what I don't understand about the...
joe rogan
It's just a way to be unique, and it's a way to be in a marginalized community if you're just a regular person.
So if you're a regular white person, you're at the lower end of the social hierarchy amongst woke people.
But if you're queer or non-binary...
Now you're in a protected group.
theo von
My buddy's queer, actually.
joe rogan
Nice.
What does he have to do to be queer?
theo von
Nothing.
He's cool.
He's just...
He doesn't...
Yeah, he didn't, like, send you an email update or whatever.
He's just...
joe rogan
Did he update his Twitter pronouns?
theo von
No, he's just like a...
joe rogan
Just decides he's queer.
theo von
Yeah, he's like a secret...
Not secret, he's like...
I don't even know what they call it.
I gotta look at the chart or whatever.
joe rogan
What is queer these days?
Because when I was a kid, queer was gay.
If someone was queer, they're gay.
Or if you got punched in the head, then you're on queer street.
It was like everything was confusing.
Queer was confusing.
theo von
Okay.
joe rogan
And then queer became gay somewhere along the line.
But now I think queer is whatever you want it to be.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
You could be gay, bi, straight.
unidentified
And then you could be pansexual.
theo von
What is that?
joe rogan
Exactly.
That's what Wayne Brady is.
theo von
He's pansexual?
joe rogan
He came out.
theo von
Damn.
joe rogan
Came out as pansexual.
I don't know what that means.
theo von
I can barely handle whatever I am, dude.
To be real honest, bro.
joe rogan
It's all so new.
theo von
Whatever I am, bro, it keeps jerking off at night and being afraid to talk to women.
unidentified
So, whatever that one is, that's what I am, bro.
joe rogan
You're theosexual.
theo von
Oh, it's fucking getting kind of heady, man.
joe rogan
You're theosexual.
Why are you afraid to talk to the women?
theo von
No, I don't know.
I think I get afraid to...
I've always got afraid to approach women.
Really?
Yeah.
joe rogan
But wow, you're a handsome fellow.
You're funny.
You're successful.
theo von
I don't know.
I think something I just...
Childhood shit?
Yeah, probably.
I would just be so fucking nervous, buddy.
When I was a kid, I would be so nervous.
I would be so nervous.
unidentified
Which is interesting that you got into stand-up comedy, which makes people really fucking nervous.
theo von
Well, I think I was familiar with being nervous, so that didn't affect me.
joe rogan
Interesting, because you're nervous all the time.
You're like, fuck it, I'll just go be nervous in front of all these people.
theo von
Oh, the audience is...
When you're on stage, the audience is just a woman.
joe rogan
Oh, like you're just trying to get them to like you.
theo von
You're just trying to get, yeah, you're like, how do we get this to work out, you know?
joe rogan
How do I get you to like me more?
Who do I have to be?
theo von
Dude, the other night was crazy.
Sorry, I cut you off going.
joe rogan
No, no, go ahead.
theo von
I got nothing, man.
joe rogan
No, the other night was crazy.
theo von
This week's been crazy.
It's just been a crazy week.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
You know?
It's been a crazy week, man.
joe rogan
It was interesting because the beginning of the night, no one knew what was going to happen.
So you're watching the first results roll in, and there's like this weird thing.
And then Trump gets way ahead, but you're like, you don't want to get too hopeful.
How far ahead is he?
He's ahead by 100 points.
That seems like a lot.
theo von
Yeah, and you're like, what is it?
And some channels are like, and then every channel's kind of different.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're different numbers.
I was getting a different number off my Apple News update than I was getting off of CNN, and then I was texting people, like Tulsi and JD Vance.
I was getting a different update.
Apparently, Elon created an app And he knew who won four hours before the results.
So as the results were coming in, four hours before they called it, Dana White told me, Elon was like, I'm leaving.
It's over.
Donald won.
He's just fucking somehow or another.
theo von
I'm gonna go back into my pod and evaporate.
joe rogan
I don't know what he's getting, where he's pulling his data from, but he had like the most accurate data in terms of the rural states hadn't put their results in yet, but yet Trump was ahead in these states.
Kamala's never gonna win those states.
So tabulated that and put it all together.
I don't know how he did it.
Yeah.
I haven't even talked to Elon about this.
I don't know.
The Dana translation.
But Dana said he had an app.
And he was, like, showing him.
He's like, it's over.
unidentified
He fucking left.
joe rogan
Dude just left.
theo von
It's over.
Jon Jones won.
He's just saying that.
joe rogan
He just fucking left.
theo von
Dude, yeah.
I mean, the whole thing's crazy to me.
I'm so happy for...
My biggest thing was I was so happy for Bobby Kennedy, man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
Because he's the only person that I super know, like, as a human, you know?
He's been a buddy of mine for years.
And I've just known that he's a...
I trust him.
It's almost like you have people that you know and that are good people.
I have to trust my own instincts at some point and know I know him.
He's somebody I would vouch for.
He's a good guy and he's been helpful to me in moments where I have struggled as a person and just...
Been inspirational to me.
You know, it's like I know him, you know, like a friend.
And so that's, I think, like, that was something I was, like, super excited about, just to see where everybody was like, screw this guy, you know?
And to see him have an arc where it's like, because all he ever cared about, to me, and I don't know, this is just my opinions, dude.
Some people, everybody has their own opinions, and I'm an idiot, but...
But he always cared about the rivers and the environment.
And then he started to care about the environment inside of our bodies.
So for me, that all makes sense.
joe rogan
We know where it all happened from, right?
theo von
That was what I was super excited about.
joe rogan
Do you know how he made the transition to being worried about pharmaceutical drugs?
He would give these speeches and he litigated a bunch of lawsuits against corporations that were polluting rivers.
They cleaned up the East River.
He was an environmental attorney.
And they were also talking about the effects of mercury poisoning in the soil and water.
And these women kept coming to these things that he was doing and saying, "You need to investigate mercury and vaccines." And he thought that is like ... which most people think.
You hear vaccine, like, the last thing I want to be labeled is a vaccine skeptic.
Jesus Christ.
A vaccine denier.
That's like, I mean, we talked about this yesterday, but it's like, Holocaust denier is number one, but vaccine denier and election denier are, like, right under there.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he started looking into it, particularly the MMR vaccines and the correlation between the uptick of all these autoimmune issues, autism spectrum disorders, all these different things that coincided directly with the increase in the vaccine schedule for kids.
And so then he starts doing research on it.
And the more he does research on it, the more it gets uncovered that there's this gigantic machine that's protecting all of this because there's so much money that's being generated.
And most of it has to do with during the Reagan administration, they gave them immunity to prosecution.
So they were no longer liable for whatever side effects the vaccines caused.
theo von
Yeah, that's pretty wild.
joe rogan
Yeah, and then, of course, these motherfuckers started giving little kids, little babies that were just born, hep B vaccines.
Like, what are you doing?
Like, that's a...
You get that from needles and sex.
theo von
Yeah, unless it's Pam Anderson's baby, dude.
unidentified
I wouldn't put anything in that kid, you know?
theo von
And I don't even know if she has any kids or not.
And I love Tommy Lee.
I don't know if I should have said that.
Well, you fucked up.
I'm already done, dude.
joe rogan
It's a joke.
What are you gonna do?
It's a fucking joke.
unidentified
Yeah, sorry.
theo von
Everything's okay.
joe rogan
I feel the same way about Bobby.
I don't know him as well as I know Tulsi, though.
theo von
Yeah, I don't know her.
joe rogan
Tulsi's a good friend of mine.
I love her.
She's great.
She's an awesome person.
She's like a legitimate awesome person.
That lady, she served as a congresswoman for eight years.
And the whole time, she was against this divide of right versus left.
She was always trying to be cool with everybody.
She served overseas.
She was deployed overseas in a medical unit, man.
So she was helping people that got blown up by the war.
Twice.
That's where she got that crazy white streak in her hair.
theo von
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
That all came from the stress of being overseas, working in a medical unit.
theo von
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
Yeah, I guess...
Can stress be that compartmentalized inside of you and it comes out like that?
joe rogan
No, your body's...
You can't imagine.
You know, I was just talking to my friend Bruce about this last night.
He was a cop in Austin.
We were talking about the amount of death that most police officers see and the stress that has on you.
And what he was telling me is you take, like, a cop that has, like, 20 years in the job, what they see is probably 10x what the average soldier who's deployed sees.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Because you're seeing murder all the time.
You're seeing car accidents all the time.
Suicide all the time.
Domestic violence all the time.
You're pulling people over.
You never know if you're going to get shot.
He goes, most of these guys are fucked up.
Because they're just constantly seeing this stuff.
Constantly.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
I'd be at home.
I'd hear somebody open a jar of Pringles and I'd fucking pull on them, you know?
Yeah.
You hear that top pop?
Yeah.
What's going on?
joe rogan
What's happening?
theo von
Dude, we had a police officer on a few years ago, or about a year ago.
Can you look this up?
Jamie, is it okay to ask Jamie to look something up?
joe rogan
Yeah, sure, sure.
theo von
Okay.
It's a police officer.
joe rogan
How long ago?
theo von
Yes.
This guy, retired police officer, Sergeant Brad White.
This guy was super unique.
He lived in Los Angeles.
But he told this story.
He didn't have any political thoughts.
He just told stories of what it was like being a police officer.
And he told the story of his first day on the job.
They're chasing a guy.
The guy runs into traffic, gets hit by a vehicle, and killed, right?
So even as just a human being, you're just doing a job, but then you're trying to compartmentalize what effect did I have on this?
He told this story of a mother had called and said that her son was...
Was thinking about committing suicide, right?
The mother meets him in the yard.
He shows up.
He's a police officer.
It's outside of Los Angeles.
I think in Whittier Police Department.
I could be wrong.
He shows up.
The mom meets him outside.
They see the son comes into the doorway, right?
It's like a glass door with another door behind it, kind of.
Takes his own life, right?
Kills himself right in front of them.
So now he's standing there with the mom.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
theo von
Now he has to go he has to go he has to console the mother then go inside of the home He walks inside the door won't open because the man's body is there, right?
It's he's having trouble getting it open even just that moment He gets it open Something falls off of the ceiling down the back of his shirt and it's part of the guy His brain matter he had shot himself on the ceiling So I know that's graphic and stuff,
but and then for the next three or four hours, he has to take care of this scene with this little feeling between his bat wings or whatever that, what is that?
No, inside of your body.
Shoulder blades.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's brain matter.
theo von
Yeah.
And it's just like, that's just a regular guy, you know?
He might not even have finished college or something, you know?
It's like, so just the baffling amount of stuff that police go through.
Anyway, I was trying to just like, those are stories that stuck with me when I spoke with that guy.
It was like unbelievable.
joe rogan
It's just conveniently ignored by most people who will never be police officers.
And then that was one of the more offensive things about the George Floyd thing.
All this defund the police shit where people rose up and were saying, defund the police.
And I mean defund the police.
And Kamala Harris was one of them.
She was out there tweeting, defund the police.
And because of that, crime just ramped up in certain communities.
And so many people wanted the police back.
But then it's, you know...
It's a long process to try to...
And to this day, most of these cops don't have good morale.
They still have this feeling of defund the police, which was just a couple of years ago.
It's hard to get people to be cops now.
They don't want that fucking job, and why would they?
It's a fucking hard job.
theo von
Yeah, and they don't even...
They used to play softball in our area against the fire department.
That was the highlight of it.
It was having competition.
If you defund them, they're not even super funded.
You don't ever see a cop with a boat.
joe rogan
A baller cop.
If you think about how hard that job is, hard jobs should pay more.
theo von
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
You know?
Like, what is the...
I think if you paid them too much, though, then they just quit.
Like, I got enough.
I'm out.
theo von
Yeah, I don't know if you talk.
joe rogan
Because, like, what's harder, being a rapper or being a cop?
It's fucking way harder being a cop.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
I think, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, rappers get paid way more.
theo von
That's true.
Cops just...
I think a lot of cops will start making albums from their cars.
Bro, there really should be a great producer that goes on a ride along with a police officer, this is going to happen, watch, and makes a dope track with a cop.
joe rogan
Right.
theo von
And you could make a dope and you'd have so much great visuals, and the proceeds go towards supporting the police department.
joe rogan
Yeah, like the cop could be saying shit from behind the wheel, and you could sample that.
Sample that and turn them into songs.
theo von
We got them!
In pursuit.
joe rogan
Different codes.
Different codes.
5150. Isn't that when someone's crazy?
theo von
Oh, yeah.
That's crazy right there.
That's 50. I think 44. Is this cop rap?
joe rogan
What is this?
Grammy-nominated rapper, Sacramento police officer, records new deployment recruitment video.
theo von
Pull him up, man.
unidentified
No.
jamie vernon
I just figured there could have already been one.
theo von
What's that, 51-50s?
joe rogan
What do you have to do to be a Grammy-nominated?
Grammy-nominated doesn't impress me.
Like, Grammy-winning?
That impressed me.
Grammy-nominated?
theo von
Who nominated you?
Yeah.
My Grammy won't nominate anybody.
unidentified
She liked traveling Wilburys.
joe rogan
She didn't.
theo von
I mean, I didn't.
I mean, if my grandfather showed up and said, hey, they're good, I respect that a little bit more, but that's just me, you know.
Lainey Wilson, I love.
She's great.
Red Clay Strays, Stephen Wilson Jr. Red Clay Strays are great.
They're good, huh?
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's good music out now.
It's a good time for music because, like, you could find things so easily.
You know, you don't have to wait for the radio.
You just find stuff.
People send you stuff.
Like in the green room all the time, someone will play something like, what is this?
And then they'll Shazam it.
Like, oh shit.
It's nice.
That Shazam thing, that feature is so huge.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know on Google Pixel phones, there's an option to just have it on all the time.
So anytime a song is playing, you can look down on your phone and it'll tell you what song's playing.
theo von
Uh-uh, I didn't know it.
joe rogan
Do they still do that?
I think that's still a feature.
I think it's only on the Google Pixel.
theo von
What was I thinking about?
I feel all over the place today, Joe.
You ever feel like that?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
theo von
Well, I haven't been sleeping.
Yeah, I didn't sleep well.
joe rogan
Two days in a row, I didn't sleep.
The night of the election, I could not sleep.
I got home, I was wired.
theo von
Did you jerk off or not that night?
joe rogan
No, no, I just sat in front of the TV. I was watching Professional Pool, sitting in front of the TV. I called Dave Smith.
Me and Dave Smith talked on the phone at like 3.30 in the morning.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then I finally went to bed, and my wife woke up.
She was like, what happened?
Who won?
I was like, Trump won in a landslide.
theo von
You're like the Spurs.
joe rogan
And then she was up.
It was a landslide.
It was a crazy landslide.
It was the red wave that everybody thought was going to happen in 2022. Hey, Jamie, I'm hearing more and more about what we talked about yesterday, about the amount of people that voted for Biden in 2020. Versus the amount of people that voted for anybody in 2016 and for anybody in 2024. That they're still saying it was a giant jump.
jamie vernon
That's what I see too.
joe rogan
A lot of people think it's bullshit.
unidentified
Could be.
joe rogan
There's a lot of people that are getting super suspicious about the 2020 numbers because Biden got more votes than anybody by like 20 million.
It's really crazy if you look at the chart.
theo von
Yeah, did they say that the most people they'd ever seen at voting stations were this year?
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
I don't know what the visual report is for this year.
joe rogan
This is the most consequential election I think I've ever felt.
theo von
For sure.
joe rogan
For sure.
The way people felt about it, too, the people on the left thought they were convinced that Hitler was coming.
They're convinced that some right-wing authoritarian is going to come down and take away all your rights.
theo von
Well, that's the media does that.
joe rogan
100%.
100%.
Not what he was saying, not what he did for four years in office.
It's all the media.
And we're all victim of it a little bit.
Because you won't defend him or support him if you hear all these things about him because then you got to defend the fact that no, he didn't really do that.
He's not really a felon.
There were only misdemeanors.
Texas voter turnout falls in 2024 election despite record registration numbers.
This is just Texas, right?
61% cast ballots, near 6% drop from the 2020 presidential race.
But the difference in the numbers nationwide is what I'm interested in, because the nationwide numbers, they're pretty consistent, like through the entire, like if you look at 2012, it's consistent with 2016, which is also consistent with 2024. The anomaly is 2020. Everything goes way up.
Way up.
theo von
Maybe because people were sitting at home and so bored and they said it's that much to do, you think?
joe rogan
Could be.
Could be.
Because it was during COVID. Could be a lot of people weren't working, so they did have the opportunity to vote.
Voting should be a national holiday.
theo von
I agree.
I don't understand.
joe rogan
It's crazy that you give some people a complication.
Like, imagine if you have a shithead boss.
They're like, I gotta vote.
Why didn't you vote early?
I was working for you, you piece of shit.
Let me go.
theo von
Let me go vote.
Yeah, I mean, they give Christopher Columbus as a holiday, dude.
The Lieutenant Dan of the 1400s.
That dude gets a fucking holiday, okay?
joe rogan
Yeah, why don't you go read what that guy did?
Let's get rid of Christopher Colon.
They trained it to Indigenous People's Day.
And the Indigenous people are like, thanks, after you wiped out 90% of us.
Thanks for giving us a day.
How about we keep that day?
That's fine.
But how about we have an election?
National election holiday.
We could do it one more holiday.
theo von
Celebrate it.
It's a great day.
People can rejoice.
joe rogan
Cookouts.
theo von
It would take a lot of stress off people, too.
It's like, today's also a day of celebration.
It's not this day that I have to sneak away from work.
And be sneaky or whatever, and eat in my car.
joe rogan
It should be a paid holiday.
You should expect to have to pay your employees on the day that election comes, because everybody should be able to go vote.
That's what it should be.
We'll talk to Trump about it.
Making a nationally mandated holiday.
theo von
I don't have his number.
I don't know.
There's a guy in his department that has his number.
joe rogan
We could hook it up.
I know some people.
theo von
Yeah, dude.
It was just like, what a crazy week.
joe rogan
Yeah, very crazy.
Well, you were one of the first guys to have him on the podcast.
Did you have any hesitancy of having him on at all?
unidentified
Um...
theo von
My brother, actually, my brother's a lot smarter than me, and he said, hey, man, I just want you to think that there could be some reflection from people if you have him on, right?
Like, you could—some people could be upset about it, you know?
And I thought about that a little bit, and I was like, well, I don't really— Like, I don't know, you know, like, I have political thoughts and beliefs and stuff like that, and it's like, it's hard to find a group that really embodies them.
And if anything, right now, for me, it seems like I don't even feel like these new parties are the same as the old parties.
joe rogan
They're not.
theo von
It doesn't seem, like, this isn't Democrats and Republicans.
There's something else transmorphing right now.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
theo von
And so, um, I thought, like...
I thought, well, I think I just want to be able to have a chance to talk to this guy, you know?
And the main thing for me was like, like you talked about Dana White earlier.
He's really, you know, I know that you guys work together and he...
You know, I knew that Trump's brother suffered from addiction, right?
I knew that, right?
I heard that or something and I looked into it and it's like, okay, he lost his brother.
His brother died of addiction.
So I was like, well, that's interesting to me, you know?
And I wish that people, I wonder if there's more to Donald Trump.
Like, is there more of a way to talk with him about something that means, you know, try to get an emotional well, like more of an emotional well to him than it seems like that's in the public.
joe rogan
Well, there was a thing that was going on for a while where you were platforming people.
This was the idea.
Like, if you had on a guy like Trump, you were platforming this bad person.
This was this thing.
theo von
Yeah, I didn't think about that at all.
joe rogan
But it's an authoritarian way to regulate conversations that let you know more about people.
And it's stupid because people don't want to have a nuanced perspective on anybody.
Look, this is one of the reasons why I wanted to talk to Kamala Harris.
I'm like, I bet there's a person in there.
I bet I can get to that person.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
I wanted to find that person.
I don't want to hear all the speeches.
I don't want to hear...
I was raised middle class.
I don't want to hear any of that shit.
theo von
She's a roller skater.
You know that?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
I would love to find that out.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
I would love to talk to her about all kinds of shit.
I literally said, because there was a few restrictions of things they didn't want to talk about, but I said, I don't give a fuck.
I go get her in here.
Like, whatever you want to talk about.
And they want to know if I edit.
I'm like, there's not going to be any editing.
There's no editing.
We're not going to edit.
theo von
Yeah, that's the same thing they asked us.
Is there an edit?
joe rogan
I just wanted to talk.
I feel like you give someone a couple of hours and you start talking about anything, I'm going to see the pattern of the way you think.
I'm going to see the way you process ideas.
I'm going to see whether or not you're calculated or whether you're just free.
Are you comfortable with you or are you projecting things?
She's got 80 different accents.
How do you decide which one to pull out?
She busts out different accents depending on who she's talking to.
They should have made her talk to a bunch of Chinese folks.
I would have loved to hear that accent.
I want to see what...
theo von
I do that too, though.
I like to meet people where they're at.
Sure.
If I see somebody, I'll be like, what's happening, my friend?
I like to meet people where they are.
joe rogan
Yeah, she did one with the Latinos where she talked with a Latino accent.
I'm like, this is wild.
But she's a chameleon.
But if you want to be a successful politician, that's probably a good trait.
I agree.
It's like a comedian that's always on.
They kind of get annoying.
But if you want to be a comedian, that's probably a good trait.
Want to be a politician?
You should probably be able to melt into your environment and sort of meld yourself with whatever these people want you to be.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
theo von
Yeah.
But maybe not.
joe rogan
Maybe it's just like the...
I always feel like...
The environment of debates, the environment of interviews on television, the environment of anything you're doing in front of an audience, it's so fake.
It's such a weird way to talk that you don't get a sense of who the person is.
So, like, when I got to see Trump on your podcast and you were talking about dual cocaine, then it makes you like an owl.
theo von
Oh, God.
joe rogan
It was hilarious!
It was hilarious, but it was like, you got a chance to see that guy as a person trying to figure out, like, who is this psycho I'm sitting here talking to?
theo von
I remember that shit.
I'll fucking make a nest in my living room, dude.
That shit, boy.
I'll scoot over to the neighbors and steal some twine in my beak, homie.
There's nothing worse than being locked out of your place on cocaine, man.
joe rogan
I can only imagine.
You talking to him as a person is almost more valuable than any other kind of speeches he does.
Because when he's in front of everybody talking about, we're going to make America amazing, those are great speeches.
But you don't, like, she had an amazing speech.
When I was like, she could win, was when she had that one speech about Donald Trump, like, scared to debate her, but he says all these things.
But you know what I always heard?
If you want to say something, say it to my face.
And the whole place went crazy.
And she was laughing.
theo von
I didn't see that.
joe rogan
Oh, it was so good.
It was her best speech for sure.
And it was right when they decided that she was going to run for president.
theo von
Maybe that is what got people involved.
joe rogan
Biden stepped down and she had one banger of a speech.
She looked young and energetic and like it really made you feel like this is going to be a...
theo von
She's kind of cute.
joe rogan
She was hot.
theo von
She was younger.
joe rogan
She was a smoke show.
theo von
She's still alright.
She got that thang on her, I bet.
joe rogan
So the...
theo von
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
I do know what you're saying.
That's why it's so crazy.
theo von
Because a lot of brothers love her, too.
joe rogan
Everybody seems to love her.
theo von
Look, if their brothers like it, she got that thang on her.
That's all I'm saying, you know?
joe rogan
I understand what you're saying.
But, like, that one speech was almost enough for her to win.
And if she just didn't talk other than speeches...
But they needed to do a better job with the speeches because every speech was the same.
And the problem with that is we were talking about the internet.
You get to see that speech over and over again online.
And then people make compilations of the speech.
theo von
Right, and they're the same thing.
joe rogan
But it's like if someone goes to see her act.
They don't understand.
Acts, to develop a bit, it takes months and months and months to really put it together where it's rock solid.
And you're going to do it the same way or slightly different every night.
And if someone comes to see you and goes, Theo's so full of shit, man.
unidentified
He told us the other day that it was just the other day.
Yeah.
joe rogan
But meanwhile, he said it three weeks later.
It wasn't just the other day.
It was three fucking weeks ago, dude.
You're repeating the same shit.
theo von
Yeah, you got too many leap years, white boy.
Yeah, shit like that.
joe rogan
Exactly.
So that's what they feel about a presidential candidate that's telling the same speech over and over.
Well, hey, you're not supposed to go see all those speeches.
theo von
But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You're not following the Grateful Dead here.
Trump has a lot, though.
Trump has a lot that are repetitive.
joe rogan
He does, but not in the same order.
It's like going to see a Grateful Dead show.
It's all over the place.
When Trump gets out there, he just does talking.
He had this long-winded speech about the rocket.
That was insane, dude.
theo von
I'm like, you just won the presidency.
joe rogan
Edit that down.
You can edit that down.
That could be two minutes.
theo von
Beautiful arms.
joe rogan
I was worried about that in the very beginning of the podcast before we got cooking when he was talking to me about Lincoln's bedroom.
I was like, oh boy.
Where is this going?
theo von
I've been to Lincoln's bedroom.
joe rogan
How was it?
theo von
Uh, it was okay.
I think you can bring it up, actually.
It's in Springfield, Illinois.
joe rogan
Oh, it is?
No, he was talking about the one that's in the White House.
theo von
Oh, no, I've been to just his child, um, before he got elected.
joe rogan
Oh, you go to his childhood home.
Oh, wow.
theo von
It's really interesting.
He used to keep his notes in his hat.
joe rogan
Oh, that was a good move.
theo von
Pretty cool.
joe rogan
He had big ass hats back then.
theo von
That head wallet, baby.
That's a good move.
That's a good move.
joe rogan
It's like credit cards behind your phone.
That kind of thing.
Except if you lose your phone, you lose everything.
theo von
But you ain't losing that big ass hat.
unidentified
That hat was fucking long, dude.
joe rogan
Isn't it crazy, man?
You ever see how many dudes wore fancy hats back in the day?
That shit just went away.
theo von
It did.
joe rogan
Imagine if you were a kid and you're growing up in a hat family.
You're like, our family makes hats, bro.
I'm ballin' forever.
I'm gonna take over this business.
And then, no hats.
If you watch, there's a great outside boxing match in Reno, Nevada between Jack Johnson and I think it's Jim Jeffries.
theo von
Jim Jeffries?
joe rogan
Yes.
Not that guy.
Another one.
theo von
Not the comedian.
No, I'm talking about the murderer.
joe rogan
No.
Maybe.
I don't think so.
I think he's just a boxer.
theo von
Who was it?
joe rogan
James Jeffries.
So see if Jack Johnson versus...
This is it.
theo von
Who killed the people with that Kool-Aid or whatever?
joe rogan
There's a video of all these folks that are walking to the event and every man has a fucking hat on, dude.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Look, they all have hats.
Look, they all have fancy hats.
Look at all these guys.
They're taking off their hats, waving their hats.
Men left the house with a fucking hat on.
Look at this.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Dude, they all have these fancy hats.
theo von
What happened?
joe rogan
They're all dressed up nice with fancy hats.
First of all, good luck seeing anything outside the Republican National Convention with that many people on the streets dressed up in suits.
That's it.
It's the only time you're ever going to see this.
These are like regular men walking on the streets.
Everybody had fancy hats on and a nice button-up shirt and a suit jacket.
That's Jim Jeffries right there.
theo von
Oh, those guys are good, dude.
joe rogan
James J. Braddock.
That's John L. Sullivan.
theo von
No way!
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
theo von
That's the guy from Monopoly, too, right there.
joe rogan
He was a bare-knuckle boxer back in the Dizze.
And he was still famous back then.
theo von
Wow, look at him putting it all together.
That's so cool.
joe rogan
Isn't that cool?
So they built this outdoor stadium to watch Jack Johnson beat the fuck out of Jim Jeffries.
That's how it goes.
Jim Jeffries was trying to make a comeback.
He was a little bit older.
Back then, bro, boxing would go until someone died.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They would have...
I mean, what's the most rounds they had back then?
They were crazy.
It was like 80 rounds or something.
Like, what's the longest old-school boxing match ever, Jamie?
I think they had some insane amount of rounds.
theo von
That's a good question.
unidentified
Look at this.
joe rogan
The greatest number of rounds was 276. Wow!
In a four-hour and 30-minute fight when Jack Jones beat Patsy Tunney and Cheshire in 1825. Holy fuck, dude.
Introduced in 1867, each round of a fight would last until someone was knocked down.
theo von
Oh my god!
joe rogan
Wow!
theo von
That's so...
joe rogan
Bro, 276 rounds is so crazy.
Oh.
That's when you get all your CTE in an IV bag.
unidentified
You don't have to swallow vitamins.
joe rogan
You just get your CTE just hot pumped into your fucking brain.
theo von
I'm just joking, Brendan.
joe rogan
Oh my god!
theo von
At New Orleans, that's where it was.
joe rogan
In 18...
Well, he lived to 94?
He lived to 1867?
Oh, because in 1893, it lasted 110 rounds.
Oh, my God.
Seven hours and 19 minutes.
It was declared a no contest.
Later changed to a draw.
theo von
Dude, most people couldn't go that long without even looking at their phone, dude.
unidentified
Much less having to fend off a guy.
joe rogan
Having to take a shit.
You're in the middle of a 200-round fight.
You have to take a shit.
theo von
They should have a diaper round.
We have to fight and shit at the same time.
joe rogan
I would bet it'd affect your punching power if you just waddle around and shit.
unidentified
Of course!
theo von
Dude, I don't think there's a way you can shit and punch at the same time.
joe rogan
It would be very hard.
theo von
Look that up.
joe rogan
Very hard.
theo von
Because, yeah, think about it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You need to tighten all that up if you're gonna throw a good punch.
Like, your ass cheeks tighten.
Because you kind of use your legs as you thrust forward.
You really can't shit and punch, not effectively.
theo von
Yeah, we cracked the code, bro.
joe rogan
Yeah, we cracked the code.
You gotta lose that round.
So I guess they probably just pissed themselves.
I know guys who shit themselves in the UFC. Multiple guys, yeah.
theo von
That breaks my heart.
joe rogan
I believe Tim Sylvia shit himself in a fight once.
Who else?
Someone came out there.
Michael Chiesa looked over at me once while I was doing commentary.
And I think he got called.
It was perhaps one of those situations where the fight before ended quicker, so he didn't get as much warm-up time as he wanted.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then all of a sudden he's running out there, and he looked at me.
He goes, dude, I'm about to shit my pants.
I go, really?
He goes, yeah, I'm about to shit my pants.
And he won.
He went out there and won first round submission.
unidentified
Phew.
theo von
Because he had to.
joe rogan
Because he had to.
Is this the fight?
Oh, is this another guy who shit his pants?
Five fighters who poop their shorts.
Yeah, it happens, dude.
This guy shit himself a little bit.
theo von
Dude, I would shit myself if I had to go in there.
So that's crazy.
joe rogan
Tim Sylvia definitely shit himself.
Randleman shit himself?
It happens, man.
Look, you're getting your liver pounded on.
You're getting kneed in the guts.
theo von
Oh, I got in a car accident once and it happened.
joe rogan
You shit yourself?
theo von
I didn't want to.
I didn't have a choice.
It just happened.
It wanted to.
joe rogan
She shit her pants, too.
Justine Kitsch, congratulations.
I bet dudes would pay a lot of money for that on OnlyFans.
You sell them shitty drawers.
theo von
And that's Mark Goddard right there.
Call time out, brother.
joe rogan
Oh, is that what it is?
That's the poop?
Oh, no!
Imagine if you're, like, face down, if someone's putting you in a rear naked choke, and they didn't clean the mats that good, and the person before shit all over the place.
You get pink eye while you're getting your ass kicked.
theo von
God, that makes me scared.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a scary job.
That's the scariest job.
You think...
theo von
Yeah, I went to that fight with you.
Or no, I went to that fight...
Remember me and Joey Diaz went?
joe rogan
Which one?
theo von
In New York.
Oh, it was...
Oh, I was thinking of your fighters.
Well, I went and saw the James J. Braddock statue before...
It was in New Jersey.
Before Dustin and...
That last fight that he had.
No, the one before the last fight.
joe rogan
Justin Gaethje?
That was in...
theo von
No, after that.
It was in New Jersey.
joe rogan
Okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Benoit Saint-Denis.
Yeah.
theo von
Yeah.
No, no, no.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
theo von
Was it?
joe rogan
Yeah, he beat up Benoit Saint-Denis and knocked him out.
jamie vernon
Islam Makachev.
joe rogan
That was after that.
theo von
He lost to Islam.
jamie vernon
That was in Jersey.
joe rogan
Which one was in Jersey?
Islam?
theo von
That one was in Jersey.
He didn't beat Islam in Jersey.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
So he fought Benoit Saint-Denis, then he gets a title shot against Islam.
theo von
Yeah, I went with Joey, and I went to the James J. Braddock statue before.
It was awesome, dude.
joe rogan
Islam's a monster.
He's so good.
theo von
Yeah, it was crazy.
And Joey was like, dude, he was...
This is all love, dude.
He's a fucking tremendous.
He's one of a kind.
And his book is great, too, if you haven't read his book.
But he's sitting there.
He'd been eating mushrooms, you know?
And once he even started eating a little, you could see Aaron Rodgers start to look over, you know?
He was getting curious.
You know, he's like, what was happening, you know?
unidentified
That's hilarious.
theo von
But by the sixth quarter or whatever, I don't know how many, how the fights go, but it's like, by the sixth quarter, he's just rubbing on his thighs, right?
He's talking...
He goes, who's winning dog?
unidentified
That's what he kept saying to me.
joe rogan
Oh, I can't wait to see him again.
theo von
Joey used to shovel snow for James J. Braddock.
joe rogan
Did he really?
theo von
Yep.
Wow.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
theo von
It's one of my favorite things that I ever learned about him.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
theo von
Can you imagine that?
joe rogan
That is crazy.
theo von
What else is going on?
joe rogan
I'm going to see him in a couple of weeks.
He's coming out here.
Joey is going to start staying out here for months at a time.
He wants to get a place downtown in the club.
theo von
I'm gonna come back and look in about a week and a half.
joe rogan
Every time he comes, he's like, I gotta come out here, dawg.
I'm like, come on, we'll make it easy for you.
I'm like, well, make it easy for you.
You tell me when you want to come, we'll fly you out, put you up, whatever you want.
I'll get you a real estate lady.
Let's get the party started.
And I'm trying to bring back the church of what's happening now.
Because him and Lee Syatt, they were together when they were at the club together, and I'm like, come on, let's get the band back together.
You guys together were fucking amazing.
theo von
There was nothing like that.
That show kept people alive.
joe rogan
That show, Joey Diaz's show, was one of the most ridiculous, silly, preposterous shows.
It was so ridiculous.
And then he went to New Jersey, and here's the problem with Joey in New Jersey.
He loves New Jersey.
He loves New Jersey people.
He needs comedians.
And you forget that until you're not with them.
And then you're like, oh, this ain't no fun.
theo von
You're just talking to plumbers or whoever's got a decent attitude or whatever, you know, a decent sense of humor.
unidentified
That's nice.
joe rogan
I like talking to all kinds of people, obviously.
But I need comedians in my life.
Like, I need vitamins.
Like, I need a certain amount of sunlight to get some vitamin D. I need comedians.
It's too...
Like, that night that we had in that green room, watching the elections...
How many jokes were crack?
How many fucking times we rag on Tony?
unidentified
Oh, dude.
joe rogan
We talked Tony off the ledge.
theo von
We did it.
Tony's just fucking sick.
joe rogan
Tony's, like, got statistics.
26% more Puerto Ricans voted for Trump.
theo von
Bro, he had the Puerto Rican app open on his whoop bracelet.
I'm like, they have that?
What is that?
He was like, how many plantains have sold tonight?
He was fucking losing his mind.
joe rogan
They tried to label him as a speaker.
They said he was a speaker.
unidentified
A speaker that was at the Trump rally?
He said that Puerto Rico was a pile of garbage.
joe rogan
These are human beings.
theo von
Was that Adam Ray?
No, no, no.
joe rogan
That's Obama.
theo von
Oh, it is?
unidentified
A speaker that was at the Trump rally?
He was talking about Puerto Rico as a pile of garbage.
theo von
Dude, the simple fact that Obama's talking about Tony Hinchcliffe is crazy.
joe rogan
Bro, Obama's doing a Tony Hinchcliffe bit.
There's a video of us at the mothership.
theo von
What is going on?
joe rogan
We played it yesterday, but I want to play it again, Jamie.
Play the video.
It's on my Instagram of Tony is on stage in the main room.
By the way, Tony goes on stage.
It's like Richard Pryor just showed up.
theo von
Jack!
joe rogan
They were going nuts.
He murdered.
He has 35 minutes on it.
He's on stage.
unidentified
No way!
theo von
At the same time?
joe rogan
At the same time.
Yeah.
unidentified
It's amazing.
joe rogan
It's a simulation for sure.
We're definitely in a simulation.
So this guy was on Fox talking about Tony on one TV while Tony was on stage on the TV monitor.
theo von
That's unbelievable.
We did it!
joe rogan
He was so nervous, because here's what was going to happen.
If he lost, you know, so the way these news organizations work, they have outlines for stories.
If Kamala wins, they have outlines for stories if Trump wins.
If Trump lost, they were going to blame it on Tony.
They had stories where they're gonna blame it on that joke and they were gonna say that that joke turned the tides and made people realize the Trump organizations filled with Nazis and racists and And they were gonna blame Tony and Tony would have been fucked because then the Trump supporters would have thought that too, right?
theo von
So it was like both sides would have disliked Tony Absolutely, absolutely He would have to go to Puerto Rico or Costa Rica.
joe rogan
Maybe.
Mexico.
Mexico and Puerto Ricans don't really...
theo von
No, they don't even...
joe rogan
They don't get along that well.
In fighting, there's always been a giant rivalry between Mexicans and Puerto Ricans.
Really?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah, man.
For sure.
theo von
I didn't know that.
joe rogan
Well, you know, there's no prouder group of boxers, I think, in the history of Earth than Mexican boxers.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Mexican boxers are known for a specific style.
Like, if someone says, you fight like a Mexican, dude, that's a huge compliment.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Mexicans, like Julio Cesar Chavez, you know, fucking guys.
Canelo Alvarez, Oscar De La Hoya.
You can go down the line.
Morales.
Fuck, man.
There's so many.
Manuel Marquez.
So many, man.
theo von
Yeah, they got just so many punches in one punch.
joe rogan
Well, there's a culture of boxing there that goes back so far.
With boxing, it's always people that are poor that want to weigh out.
And one of the best ways out, if you're a poor young man, if you can fight, you can make millions.
Like Canelo, like Julio Cesar Chavez.
So it's like the history of people rising through boxing.
But there's a similar history in Puerto Rico.
Puerto Rico has a history, a great history of boxing too.
theo von
Really?
joe rogan
But there was always a rivalry between Mexico and Puerto Rico.
theo von
I could see that because you're both Latino cultures and you want to be the best, you know?
I'm trying to think if I've ever been to a boxing match or not.
joe rogan
You should go see Jake Paul vs.
Mike Tyson.
It might be the last boxing match ever.
theo von
I don't know if I want to see it.
joe rogan
Do you want to see it if Mike Tyson wins?
theo von
I remember watching Mike Tyson vs.
Roy Jones Jr. Yeah.
And it was like two guys beating each other up in baby diapers or whatever.
Baby diapers?
Yeah, bring it up.
They were wearing big diapers or whatever.
joe rogan
No, they were wearing cups.
There's a protector that boxers wear that's different than the protector that MMA fighters wear.
So the protector that boxers wear is foam that covers like the front of your hips and things too.
theo von
Oh, maybe I'm not thinking about it.
Maybe I'm thinking about something else then.
But it just...
They kept hugging.
joe rogan
This is what I believe.
I believe really, truly to my core that they made an agreement where Mike Tyson was only going to hit him to the body full blast.
It looked like every time he hit him to the head he was kind of pulling back.
theo von
It just didn't seem like...
This didn't seem like a real fight.
joe rogan
Right.
It seemed like a fight to the body though.
Mike was hitting him to the body really hard, and I think he hurt Roy a bunch of times really hard to the body.
But you know, both of these men are 50. Roy in his day, I maintain to this day, was the greatest boxer I've ever seen.
Roy Jones, in his prime, was a freak.
Like, I mean a freak, where he wouldn't even throw jabs, he would throw a lead left hook.
It would favor that over a jab, but it was as fast as a jab.
And people couldn't understand it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because you'd never been in a ring with someone that fast.
unidentified
Huh.
joe rogan
Have you looked at Roy Jones' highlight reel of KOs?
You ever watch, like, Roy Jones' news in his prime?
theo von
Uh-uh.
joe rogan
They were execution, son.
It was like Mike Tyson in his prime, but a different thing.
In fact, in a Nas song, Nas says the new Mike Tyson's Roy Jones.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Roy Jones was just executing people.
He was so much faster than anybody.
His timing was so good.
theo von
He was a sniper.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
He was just so skillful.
theo von
Who would you rather knock you unconscious, you think, if you had to pick a good fighter?
joe rogan
Oh, I don't know.
Maybe Roy would just put it out quick, just pop you on the chin.
theo von
Roy or Conor, though?
joe rogan
Both of them will knock you out quick.
theo von
You think?
joe rogan
Yeah, and this is this one fight with Roy Jones with Vinny Pacienza.
It was the only fight in copybox history where the opponent didn't land a single punch.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
A single punch.
This was like when Roy was trying to get the referee to stop the fight.
Before that, Roy signaled to the referee, stop the fight.
And the referee said, no.
And then Roy goes like this.
He's like, look at Vinny.
Sorry, I got to do this.
theo von
I've never even seen that.
joe rogan
He just lights it up.
Bro, he was so good in his prime.
But like all fighters, they stay past their prime.
And people really only remember them for when they lost.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, Roy in his prime was just something completely special.
theo von
He had a Allen Iverson vibe.
joe rogan
You went to watch him just to see how long guys would last.
That's what you would watch, to see what he would do to guys.
theo von
I did a fishing rodeo with him once.
joe rogan
Did you really?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, he's a big fisherman.
He dropped his hands, put them behind his back, and knocked a guy out.
Like, lured the guy in and hit him with one straight right hand and dropped him.
He would just be toying with dudes.
theo von
That's crazy, dude.
I can't even get a fucking medium jacket off of my body and this guy's doing this shit.
That's what blows my mind, dude.
joe rogan
Roy was so good.
He was so good.
And everybody that went in there...
theo von
He cooked that brother right there.
joe rogan
There's a thing that happens when a guy's gonna fight.
Like, you would see it with Anderson Silva.
theo von
Who is that, Bill Cartwright?
Who's he fighting?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Some dude is in real trouble.
They should have stopped this fight already.
That dude did not need to take those other two punches.
Dude, he was so fast.
theo von
Yeah, dude.
Tony was...
He was terrified.
Tony was terrified.
Right when I walked in, I hadn't seen him in months.
I'm just fucking grilling him.
I'm like, there he is.
I'm like, who's an island now?
That's what I said.
unidentified
Yeah.
theo von
He's fucking sitting there.
joe rogan
Who's on the island now?
Did you really say that to him?
theo von
Yeah.
And here's the best thing about Tony, though.
He laughs.
Tony is for the joke, right?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
theo von
Even if he's going through it, he respects the joke.
joe rogan
Always.
unidentified
Always.
theo von
There's many layers to that whole thing.
It's like, Tony is who he is.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
And you almost respect that to the core.
Was it the best timing?
Probably not, right?
joe rogan
No.
theo von
Was there a lot of supervision over what he said?
No.
Probably not.
joe rogan
But that just shows you how disorganized that meeting was.
theo von
It's disorganized, but it's also real.
So it's like, there's two ways to look at it.
It's like, yes, it's like nobody proofread it.
joe rogan
Let me clear something there.
Because we did say that they went over his material.
They didn't.
They did not go over his material.
They did.
Someone suggested he take one joke out.
So he took this one joke out, and he's like, oh, what do I put in his place?
He decided to go with the Puerto Rico joke.
theo von
We did it.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's just so silly.
theo von
But he laughs at himself.
Oh, totally.
But also, it's weird because it's like, do you want things to be tailored or do you not want them to be tailored?
You know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
It's like you could have a group that goes through every single joke and says no to everything and then you get nothing.
You know what I'm saying?
It's like how many layers of like when you drain spaghetti or whatever I'm talking about?
Like how many layers of...
joe rogan
Spaghetti.
theo von
Nah, shit.
I don't know.
It's been a long year.
joe rogan
I know what you're saying.
I know what you're saying.
But I think when you get to a certain level of your career, you got to say no to things that are outside of comedy.
If you're just coming up and someone says you want to go speak in front of the president, go out there.
Make a mark, soldier.
Give it your best.
But if you're Tony Hinchcliffe and you just did the Tom Brady roast, Kill Tony's the number one comedy podcast in the world.
You have millions and millions of downloads every week.
Don't do that.
It's just too comedy.
You're really good.
That's what I was trying to tell people.
If you saw those same jokes on stage, he kills.
Fucking crushes.
It's just the worst environment ever for it.
Lights are bright.
It's in the day.
No one knows a comedian.
He goes up cold.
No one goes on after him.
There's like his big-ass pause after him.
The whole thing was like organized terribly.
Terribly.
Just complete disorganization.
It was like, there was the Trump speech, which is the big thing, like, what do we do with all the extra time?
Like, let anybody talk.
Who wants to talk?
This guy owns a fucking sandwich shop.
Let him come up there.
Yeah, look, it's my friend Giovanni.
Like, let anybody in there.
They were letting people, they were saying wild stuff, too.
theo von
Oh, they were letting anybody in there, dude.
joe rogan
And it didn't seem like they vetted a lot of the speeches.
Some of the speeches were like, what are you...
theo von
Yeah, they had 40 minutes of ASMR in there.
They were fucking letting people do anything.
joe rogan
Dude, whenever you get an organization, whether it's the Republicans or the Democrats, you've got to kind of like appease everybody.
And you've got psychos and moderate people.
And they're all together under this one banner of this one.
Like, have you ever been on a sports team?
There's always like one dude on the team that's a fucking psychopath, right?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, don't cause any fights.
Like, leave everybody alone.
Let's go.
unidentified
Come on.
theo von
We had a brother.
He would slash everybody's tires.
But then here's the thing.
We were giving him a ride home.
So it was like, well, now we're all fucked.
But that's who he was.
You had to respect him.
He was a power forward, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, sometimes they're not making the best decisions.
People don't, man.
theo von
People don't, man.
joe rogan
Especially football players, bro.
You get hit in the head a lot, you're going to make some sketchy ass decisions.
theo von
Nick Bosa got brave and shared his political thoughts the other night.
You see that?
joe rogan
No, I didn't.
theo von
Well, it's just crazy how, like, on mainstream stuff, if you share anything one way, it's okay, but you share something another way, it's not okay.
joe rogan
Right.
Like, nobody got angry at people.
They made fun of people for supporting Kamala Harris.
Like, we made fun of Dave Bautista, because it looked just so silly.
Like, this...
This is a performative commercial where it's really important to vote for Kamala and Tim Walsh.
theo von
Is that the Manuta?
The wrestler.
joe rogan
The guy from Guardians of the Galaxy.
theo von
Okay.
joe rogan
You know who I'm talking about.
Big Jack dude.
He's trying to get movies, man.
He's wearing pearls to red carpet events.
I know what you're doing.
You're trying to get those movies.
For what, though?
You're an artist.
You're sensitive.
You're on the right side.
He wants to be a lead in a movie.
He wants to be a movie star.
theo von
Then fucking turn on your camera at a house and make something.
joe rogan
Dude, I'm telling you, it's the right move.
What he's doing is the right move.
Even if he's faking it.
theo von
You mean for Hollywood, you mean?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Wear the beads.
Wear pearls.
That softens you up a little bit.
Lose some weight.
Lose a bunch of weight.
Talk shit about Trump.
He's allowed to be like a tough guy talking shit about Trump.
Did you ever see that Jimmy Kimmel sketch they did?
We called Trump a whiny bitch and...
You ever seen it?
theo von
Or Jimmy Kimmel called Donald Trump that?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
Bautista.
theo von
Dave Bautista did?
joe rogan
You never saw it?
Find it because it's kind of funny.
theo von
Is he the intercontinental champion?
I haven't watched wrestling in a bit.
joe rogan
He was a big-time wrestler, was a giant dude, like fucking built like a superhero.
And then he went and did Guardians of the Galaxy.
unidentified
He was a giant dude in that.
theo von
Oh yeah, with Chris Pratt.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a big giant wrestler dude.
theo von
Yes, now I know who you're talking about.
joe rogan
But he wants to be a movie star, so he's losing some weight.
He's a good actor too, man.
He was good in that...
What was that movie, The Glass...
The Glass Onion.
Yeah, that was a great movie.
He was really good in that.
theo von
I'm trying to think of what I've seen recently.
joe rogan
If you're a big giant dude, and you're a big muscle-bound giant dude, and you want to do serious roles, you kind of got to lose some weight.
And you kind of got to support Kamala Harris.
You kind of got to wear pearls.
You kind of got to soften your stance.
Be performative that you're the guy that they would want to pick, because that's like part of the battle.
Like, here, let me get this.
theo von
Oh, that's him?
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
I thought it was Eddie Bravo, dude.
unidentified
Donald Trump is some kind of tough guy.
He's not.
I mean, look at him.
He wears more makeup than Dolly Parton.
He whines like a baby.
And the guy's afraid of birds.
Donald Trump had his daddy pay a doctor to say his little feet hurt so he could dodge the draft.
Look at that gut.
Looks like a garbage bag full of buttermilk.
dave bautista
He sells imaginary baseball cards pretending to be a cowboy fireman.
unidentified
Guy's barely strong enough to hold an umbrella.
joe rogan
While he's working out.
theo von
And where is this?
At Jocko's gym?
unidentified
I don't know.
theo von
That's pretty funny.
unidentified
He's got jugs.
Big ones.
Like Dolly Parton.
joe rogan
He cheats at golf.
dave bautista
He creeps around beauty pageant dressing rooms.
unidentified
You know that little dance he does?
theo von
Yeah, he's a pervert, dude.
Who isn't a pervert?
unidentified
He's moody.
He pouts.
He throws tantrums.
theo von
No!
unidentified
Get those lights off!
He acts like a five-year-old behind the wheel of a truck.
He bends over for Putin.
This cat here on social media is a middle school bean girl.
The guy needs help walking downhill.
Almost there, Grandma!
dave bautista
So this November, let's stop kidding ourselves.
unidentified
Donald Trump is afraid.
theo von
I don't watch this kind of stuff.
unidentified
Look at this!
joe rogan
The punches!
unidentified
Murrow f***ing Streep!
and being laughed at.
Isn't it past your jail time?
Thank you.
dave bautista
Mostly, he's terrified that real red-blooded American men will find out that he's a weak, tubby toddler.
unidentified
Mommy, take me home.
joe rogan
Mommy, I wanna go home.
unidentified
Don't you know, tough guy.
Someone grab you by the p***.
Wow!
theo von
That closing line's pretty tough.
joe rogan
That's not bad.
He called him a b***h.
But it's like, you know what he's doing?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Try to become a movie star.
It's a good move.
The Hollywood liberals 100% love that.
theo von
Well, Hollywood's just crazy to me, dude.
I just don't understand it.
It seems like they hate white men.
joe rogan
Well, some people that work in Hollywood, I'm sure, don't like white men, but that's the thing about woke culture.
It's like there's a hierarchy of the injustices that you have faced.
White men, even if it's not you, which is where it gets prejudiced, because if it's not you, white men over history have caused the most grief.
They've caused the most trouble.
They've been responsible for the most injustices in this country, at least.
You know, slavery, redline laws, bringing the Chinese...
theo von
Other people helped with slavery.
Let's don't just pin the tail on the honky-donky.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
But in America, slaves were exclusively owned by white people.
In other countries, they're owned by all kinds of people.
This is where it gets weird.
theo von
See, that's what we got to do then.
joe rogan
Well, what people don't understand is there's more slaves today than there have ever been.
theo von
Nuh-uh.
joe rogan
There's more slaves today than there were before 1865 when slavery was abolished in America.
theo von
You're lying.
joe rogan
Nope.
There's more slaves.
In Libya, when we took down Libya and the rebels killed Gaddafi on television, do you ever see that?
It's one of the most terrifying videos.
theo von
What channel was it on?
joe rogan
C-SPAN. But Libya became, for a while, became like a failed state.
And at one point in time, there were slave auctions in Libya that you could watch on YouTube.
theo von
Okay.
joe rogan
How crazy is that?
Like, Google the actual numbers.
theo von
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a real statistic.
And this is also one of the things that people are terrified about with this border deal, okay?
Because one of the things about the border, it's not as simple as people coming over and they want a better life, of course, but it's also people being exploited.
And there's tens of thousands of kids that are missing.
Who knows if they've been smuggled into child trafficking.
Who knows how many people have been...
Okay, hold on a second.
It says estimates range from about 38 to 49.6 million people are slaves today.
The number of enslaved difficult people is difficult to determine.
Estimates range from 38 to 49 million.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
theo von
Oh my god.
I didn't have any clue.
joe rogan
Well, you have to include people that can't leave, even if they're not in cages.
People that are trapped, right?
theo von
Like Gaza people, you mean?
joe rogan
Well, no.
I would talk about people that work in coal mines or cobalt mines in the Congo.
They're essentially slaves.
I mean, they give them the minimal amount of food and water.
They work in horrific conditions, and they live in complete abject poverty.
theo von
But they're treated better than the people in Gaza, though.
unidentified
Perhaps.
joe rogan
Well, they're all getting poisoned.
They're all getting poisoned pulling that cobalt out of the ground.
theo von
Yeah, but still, they're getting lunch, I bet.
joe rogan
Probably not a good lunch, I would imagine.
Either way, yeah, you could find other spots that suck worse.
But the point is, like, those people you could kind of consider slaves.
And then there's real slavery.
You know, this friend of mine was telling me about this place that was built in Jamaica or the Bahamas.
I think it was the Bahamas.
And they brought in Chinese workers in like this giant ship.
And he said they had this patch of land.
They put up a fence around the land.
And all the Chinese workers lived on that land.
And the Chinese workers built this resort there.
And they worked nonstop, 24 hours a day.
They built the whole thing in 18 months.
They would just have shift after shift.
And once it was completed, they took all the workers, put them back in the boat, put them right back to China.
So, what was that?
Was that slaves?
theo von
That's slavery.
joe rogan
I mean, it seems like slaves.
It seems like unless they paid those people an exorbitant amount of money, I don't know.
I mean, I don't know what the arrangement was.
But they put a fence around the area, they brought people in a giant ship, and then they put them back on the ship and shipped them back to China.
theo von
Yeah.
Well, look at Fyre Fest.
Remember Fyre Fest or whatever?
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
What the fuck was that?
joe rogan
That was a dude trying to make money.
theo von
Right, but still, those people got carted over there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
Nothing to eat, nowhere to sleep.
Definitely different than slavery, but still, it's like, yeah, it's funny.
You think just because things happened a long time ago that it's not slavery today, right?
joe rogan
Well, I wouldn't say that Fyre Festival is a form of slavery.
theo von
I agree.
jamie vernon
Did you see Prop 6 in California?
joe rogan
What is that?
jamie vernon
That's on the screen.
joe rogan
Prop 6 prohibits slavery and involuntary servitude.
jamie vernon
And it did not pass.
unidentified
What?
What?
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
What?
In California?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Proposed amendment to California's constitution would bar slavery in any form and repeal a current provision allowing involuntary servitude as a punishment for crime.
theo von
Because a lot of them gay producers trying to trank out them twinks, homie, that's why, bro.
joe rogan
Keeping my slaves?
theo von
Yeah, bro, they fight every now and then.
joe rogan
How would you?
unidentified
Why?
theo von
Every now and then a freaking, some twink fucking clambers out of an air van.
joe rogan
Oh, here it is.
It's forced labor in prisons.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it has to do with paying people to work in prisons and they have to fight the wildfires and stuff.
joe rogan
Interesting.
So they want him to have to work.
unidentified
Wow.
jamie vernon
They just don't want to pay.
theo von
Yeah, that's California.
joe rogan
But that is what happened, right?
That was what the Jim Crow laws were all about, man.
Like, one of the things about slavery is slavery didn't end, boom, now let's get black people jobs.
No, slavery ended and then there was this long period where black men would get arrested for anything and everything.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then they'd be forced to work.
And they had work camps.
theo von
And so you were still- It was the same thing.
joe rogan
You could just get caught and you'd be a slave.
You'd get a bad cop, besides you're speeding.
Whatever it is, you're a slave.
theo von
Yeah.
Speeding, you need to have a car and you're like, you're speeding.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're looking at people bad.
You're verbally intimidating people, whatever the fuck it is.
You see when someone wants to target you for something, you pissed off the wrong people, they fucking come after you with the law.
And they can get you if they just decide that you shouldn't be free and we're just going to...
There's an industry around slave labor, which there is.
There's also an industry now around keeping people in prison, right?
Because the prisons are private.
So a private corporation owns this building where you lock people up for money.
You get paid for them being there.
theo von
Who gets paid?
joe rogan
The private prison.
There's contracts with the state.
theo von
Like it's like a summer camp or something kind of thing?
joe rogan
Well, I don't know who gives the contracts.
No.
Prisons are owned by corporations.
theo von
Okay, so prisons own corporations.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Prison is owned by a corporation.
So it's a business.
theo von
Okay.
joe rogan
So they lobby to make sure that laws stay on the books.
One of them is marijuana.
So the prison guard lobby.
They were trying to make sure that marijuana stays illegal so that more people stay in prison.
Because the more people in prison, the more jobs they have, the more hours they have, the better benefits they'll have.
And the prison wants as many people in jail as possible.
theo von
Because they get money.
joe rogan
That is how they make money.
theo von
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
Who makes the money?
It's not the government?
joe rogan
No.
Well, in some jails, but there's private prisons.
What are the percentages of private prisons?
I know we've looked this up, but I forget the number.
theo von
Are they nicer?
joe rogan
I don't think so.
theo von
What about the Excalibur in Las Vegas?
That place is a fucking private prison, dude.
You ever been there?
Dear God, bro.
joe rogan
Bro, I heard Circus Circus is going down.
That's the ultimate.
unidentified
Circus Circus is like, how is this place legal?
theo von
Dude, that was...
joe rogan
At the end of 2022, 8% of the total state and federal prison population in the United States was in private prisons.
unidentified
What?!
joe rogan
Yep.
Which is about 90,873 people.
This makes private prisons a relatively small part of the correction system, which is mostly public.
Which, by the way, is even crazier.
How about the fact that 90,000 people in jail is a small percentage?
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
We have more people in jail than any other country.
Do you know that?
theo von
Yeah, and we need a few more in there, too, I think.
To be honest, bro.
Freedom is safe.
Some people can't handle freedom.
joe rogan
Yeah, freedom ain't free.
theo von
Freedom ain't free, man.
What are you eating over there?
I need a hit of something, man.
joe rogan
Want one of these?
theo von
Huh?
joe rogan
Something.
theo von
Oh, that's Zen's or something?
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
Breakers?
joe rogan
You scared of it?
theo von
You have a vape on you?
This is non-alcoholic.
unidentified
I have this.
theo von
What is that?
joe rogan
Bust out the smelling salts.
theo von
I'll take a hit of anything, dude.
I'm about to fucking jerk off just to get high, dude.
unidentified
I need something.
What's going on, man?
joe rogan
What's happening, Steve?
theo von
It's been a long week, man.
joe rogan
Anxious?
theo von
Yeah, it's been a long year, man.
joe rogan
Well, you're successful.
You're handsome.
I don't understand it.
theo von
I don't understand it either.
joe rogan
This one's so bad.
It stinks.
Chuck me a knife, Jamie.
theo von
That's not the fishing bait one, is it?
joe rogan
No, bro.
This one is so strong.
I haven't even opened this yet.
Sniff it.
It's not even opened yet.
theo von
Can't smell it.
joe rogan
You can't smell that?
You have COVID? Nope.
theo von
I don't think so.
joe rogan
Shout out to my friend John Reeves who gave me this knife.
This knife is made with...
theo von
You got a vape in here still, man?
joe rogan
No.
theo von
Come on.
BLM, dude.
What you got, Jamie?
joe rogan
What do you need, man?
What's wrong with your vape?
theo von
I just want to hit a nicotine in it.
joe rogan
What are you doing with a vape with no nicotine?
Just faking it?
theo von
Yeah.
Just trying to get through it all.
joe rogan
Do you want a cigar, perhaps?
theo von
It'll make me sick, I bet.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
I want you to get sick.
theo von
I know.
joe rogan
Before I bust out these smelling salts, son.
These are...
Oh, my God.
theo von
Tremendous.
What round are we in?
joe rogan
Oh, boy.
theo von
What round are we in, dog?
joe rogan
Bro, this one I'm smelling from over there.
Here we go.
Oh, my God.
theo von
Come on, boy.
I'll fucking ride that bitch, homie.
Huh?
unidentified
Ooh.
theo von
They're back, huh?
unidentified
Ooh.
theo von
Inwards in Paris, baby.
Let's get this.
You feel me?
unidentified
Get it.
joe rogan
Get it.
Oh, Lord!
Right?
There's nothing like a freshie.
theo von
How many seconds did I do, man?
That's PBR shit.
joe rogan
You had a good haul.
theo von
Let me get one more.
joe rogan
One more.
theo von
Sorry, man.
joe rogan
Don't be scared.
I like it.
I like it.
Oh, Lord!
I can't leave you alone out there in two land.
I got to get a dose in myself.
Oh, my God.
unidentified
Fuck, I just think I saw who won the Heisman.
theo von
Oh my god.
Bro, that shit made something happen to me.
joe rogan
Those are so strong.
unidentified
Wow.
theo von
I'm gonna join women's sports.
That was a lot, bro.
joe rogan
If every time you did this, and you left here, and you felt like you couldn't remember things well, would you still do it?
Do that?
Yeah.
theo von
Yeah, I would.
joe rogan
If you would lose, like, a little bit of memory.
Like, where's my keys?
Nothing serious.
Like, you remember your name.
You know, still remember your phone number.
But you, like...
theo von
To do a little bit of a drug?
joe rogan
Just a little hit.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
I mean, one of my eyes just shut down, and yeah.
And I like it.
It's like, how far can we go?
There's something about doing something.
It's like, I think when you have addiction, you want to do something that harms you.
Is that what it is?
Yeah.
You want to fucking...
Because it's control.
It's like, I want to control how I feel.
So even if how I feel isn't great, there's a weird juxtaposition where it's like, if I have control over it, then that's...
It's almost like you're the devil that's trying to kill you, you know, make any sense?
joe rogan
So if you have control like so you have anxiety and you're worried about things and so in order to Kind of mitigate that you do a little bit of damage to yourself.
theo von
So you have control over the damage Yeah, there's something about having control about how you feel so even if you feel damaged you still did it to yourself.
There's like I Don't know man.
joe rogan
I'm doing the worst job No, I know what you're saying.
Self-destructive tendencies is a big part of addiction, you know?
theo von
Yeah, self-destructive.
It's like, things feel so hectic right now, at least if I damage myself, then I'm the one doing it.
I'm not just letting the world do it, right?
Right.
In the moment, you don't see that that doesn't have any value.
joe rogan
Right.
theo von
Afterwards you're like shit.
That was dumb, but in the moment that feels like at least I'm taking control of the situation, right?
joe rogan
I think sometimes you spend too much time alone.
theo von
Me personally?
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
I think that's probably true.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think knowing you and being your friend for many years now, I think when you struggle is when you buy yourself too much.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because when you're with everybody else, everybody loves you, we all have fun together.
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
We need that.
Especially us.
Especially comedians.
We need to be around people that are just like us.
You don't have to worry.
We can just talk shit and laugh and have fun.
There's no wondering where we stand with each other.
It's always fun.
You need a home base, man.
You were doing better when you were at the Comedy Store all the time because you were around us all the time.
We were all around each other.
We knew there was a place we could go where we could find like-minded people and have a laugh.
On a regular basis, which is like, we're so fortunate.
Most people don't have a place where they can go, where they're guaranteed to see people that they love, and you're gonna have a good time, and just be silly with each other.
And then you're watching all these sets, everybody's going on stage with that energy, and so there's all this killing in the air.
theo von
Yeah, I mean, Mothership's fun, man.
I've been wanting to look for a place where I just haven't had the time.
joe rogan
Let me ask you this.
theo von
This year's been the craziest year, you know?
It's just been a crazy year, and so it's like...
unidentified
Well, it's good to be crazy because you're busy and you're doing great stuff.
theo von
Yeah, it's been fun.
joe rogan
Your podcast is killing it.
theo von
It's been scary, you know?
It's been fun, you know?
I appreciate the couple times...
You know, you've messaged me after a couple episodes and said, Hey, man, I like that or something.
I really appreciate it.
I want to let you know that I really appreciate that.
joe rogan
Oh, well, I appreciate what you're doing.
I'm very, very proud of you.
I'd love to see how much you've worked at it and how your podcast just keeps growing in the ranks.
It's really good, man.
It's very authentic.
It's a perfect podcast in that it's really you.
You know how to be you.
You're real authentic.
Even if you're talking to Trump, you're being you.
You're talking about doing cocaine with former President Trump or now newly elected President Trump.
So it's like...
theo von
I just want to have a voice, you know?
I always just wanted to have a voice.
I don't know.
joe rogan
You want to be able to express yourself.
theo von
Yes.
I just wanted things to be fair, and I just want to express...
There was always this feeling inside of me, like I can't speak up for myself.
I know what you're saying.
And even if I'm just listening to somebody but letting them speak, it's like there's still something that means.
I can't even explain it, but it's like, I don't know.
It means something to me.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think these kind of conversations are very good for you.
Like, conversations that you're having, conversations that I'm having.
I think they're good for you.
You get a chance to communicate with people that are, you know, really interesting, unique people that have lived completely different lives than you.
Like, I had Brian Cox on the other day explaining the universe to me.
Fucking...
I couldn't...
I was, like, a kid in a candy store.
It's, like, so exciting to get this guy's just, like...
Super intelligent person who's also a really good communicator could break down the fabric of the universe for you and what we know about it.
I mean like when does anybody ever get that opportunity to sit down and talk to someone like that for three hours?
theo von
Yeah, man.
Dude, I had a lady who had been driving cats across the country for two years in a fucking tour bus, right?
And they perform and they do music class.
And bro, I'm not even joking to you.
It was one of the most fascinating things I've ever heard in my life.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
theo von
Because her commitment to it.
Imagine she got her CDL so she could drive the fucking bus because it was so expensive.
What's a CDL? Commercial driver's license.
unidentified
Oh.
theo von
And she goes around doing feline shows around the whole country.
And she's been doing it for 15 years.
joe rogan
Who do you think she voted for?
unidentified
That's a good question.
joe rogan
I don't know.
theo von
Whoever, hey, grab him by the pussy, probably that guy.
joe rogan
Do you know that crazy cat ladies, that there's a reason for that?
It's the same reason that, like, it's a cat parasite.
Toxoplasmosis.
theo von
So you're saying it's a medical ailment?
joe rogan
Makes you aggressive.
unidentified
Aw, man.
joe rogan
No, it makes you aggressive.
Yeah.
I bet a lot...
Like, that term, cat lady, crazy cat lady, that's a real thing.
That lady's got a parasite.
She's got a brain parasite.
Toxoplasmosis.
theo von
Oh, you can't tell them that.
joe rogan
I bet I could test them.
Get a cheek swab.
Hold that lady down.
Give me a cheek swab.
unidentified
I guarantee you that lady's got it.
theo von
I used to live with a dude, bro.
I used to live with this dude, right?
And I ended up doing fucking a lot of drugs or something and whatever.
And I fucking cut a window into my closet, dude.
And it was to the neighbor's apartment.
I thought it went outside and got kicked out.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
theo von
But before that, I lived with this dude and he would get really...
joe rogan
Imagine you're that lady in the apartment next door and you hear a song.
unidentified
Some dude's got a hole in your fucking apartment.
theo von
Yeah, man.
I just...
joe rogan
That's the crazy thing about apartments, right?
theo von
That's the crazy thing about cocaine.
Apartments has nothing to do with it, bro.
unidentified
I've been up for fucking 42 hours on drugs.
joe rogan
You want to hear something crazy?
Trump, at the day of the election, Dana White told me he'd been up for 72 hours.
theo von
Unbelievable.
joe rogan
I go, how is that possible?
He goes, dude, he's a freak.
It's so weird.
theo von
Well, yeah, dude, I'll say some things.
Here's things that, like, whatever you think about, the guy is as resilient, no one could go through all that shit.
When the Justice Department started to fuck him over, that's when a lot of people were like, you know what?
The only thing we should be able to believe in in this country is at least the justice system.
And if they're fucking him over...
And then he got shot at a couple of times, dude.
He's a quarter of 50 cent.
You know what I'm saying?
He's like...
So it's like, what else does it...
At a certain point, you're just like, I gotta bet on this dog.
Even if it's like you don't even like him...
It's like, this motherfucker, this dude, you gotta bet on that dog.
If not, it's just bizarre, you know?
joe rogan
I mean, the guy gets up and says, fight, fight, fight, after he got shot in the ear.
He's not freaking out.
He's like, oh my god, I got shot.
Get me out of here.
They're shooting.
He looks, he goes, no, no, stop, stop.
theo von
Yeah, fight.
Fight.
Dude, I stubbed my toe.
unidentified
I called my assistant a faggot.
theo von
So yeah, there's something special about that guy.
joe rogan
And if you're lying about him, and I know you're lying about him, why am I supposed to trust you that you're lying for a good reason?
Right?
If you keep repeating these same hoaxes, they keep repeating.
Obama was repeating it in one of his speeches.
unidentified
He said about those white supremacists, the very fine men on both sides.
joe rogan
That's not true.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's not true.
theo von
Well, I don't understand why left-leaning media, which is mostly Jewish, are calling people white supremacists, dude.
joe rogan
Did you just say that?
theo von
Yeah, I just don't understand.
joe rogan
Left-wing media is mostly Jewish?
theo von
I mean, according to my Jewish friends, it is, you know?
But why do they hate white guys?
joe rogan
It's just woke things, man.
It's just virtue woke bullshit.
theo von
I just don't understand it.
joe rogan
Well, because the hierarchies have experienced a polar shift.
Okay?
So here's what it is.
If you go back to the 1960s...
The kind of racism that people faced before the race riots and all that was horrific because it's just a hundred years removed from slavery ending.
And the echoes of that...
theo von
Oh, it's still in our genes.
joe rogan
Yes.
But the echoes of that were much more...
Much more prevalent then.
And so, black people were heavily discriminated against, gay people were heavily discriminated against.
People recognize that that's wrong, young people go to universities, they get taught that it's wrong, they recognize the sins of the past, and then they overcorrect.
And by overcorrecting, now you favor people that you think have been previously marginalized.
So you give people, like Vivek calls it the tyranny of the oppressed.
So the oppressed, the previously oppressed, now have a social hierarchy.
They're a higher level.
If you're a black trans woman, you get to say the things first at the meeting.
Let the black trans woman talk.
There's a hierarchy in all woke culture.
And if you are a white male who's heterosexual, You have to be non-binary, because otherwise you can't get in.
You gotta be a they-them, because then now, okay, now you're marginalized.
theo von
All you have to do is change your approach.
joe rogan
That's the lowest level of entry is non-binary straight man.
You just say you're non-binary, and they're like, I just don't feel like a man or a woman, but I mean, I only fuck chicks.
You know what you're doing, you little chameleon.
theo von
Yeah, you're just being a little secret care bear or whatever.
You're sneaking around.
joe rogan
But there's hierarchies.
And gay people, because gay people have been previously oppressed, gay people weren't even allowed.
Even in 2013, up to then, Hillary Clinton and Obama both said that marriage should be between a man and a woman.
We have to realize that this was like 11 fucking years ago.
That was their political talking points.
Marriage should be between a man and woman.
So now, kids realize how stupid that is.
Young kids generally have a much better sense of the errors of the past than we do.
Unless we're paying attention as we get older, we pay more attention to what's going on before.
But now kids immediately are aware of how fucked up How colonial society has been, how they've conquered North America, killed the indigenous people.
So they want to, like, re-correct things.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
If I was ever in office, dude, Native Americans are getting a lot of shit back immediately, dude.
joe rogan
Well, they already have casinos.
theo von
Huh?
joe rogan
They already have casinos.
theo von
Yeah, but did they want casinos?
I want them to have back whatever they want.
They're getting the rivers back.
They're getting the lakes back.
joe rogan
They were taking it from each other, too, dude.
theo von
No, I agree.
Everybody acts like Native Americans where everybody's just whistling and just shaking hands, but they were fighting.
joe rogan
Yeah, 100%.
But you'd have to figure out who owned it at that time and give it back to them, and then you would have to let all those other people try to kill them and get it back.
Because if you want to go back to the old ways, that's the old ways.
You want to go back to when the Comanche ran Texas.
Like, okay, good luck.
But you know what the Comanche's favorite thing was doing?
Raiding other tribes.
They loved that.
theo von
They were gangbangers.
joe rogan
Yeah, they were gangbangers.
They would show up in other tribes and slaughter people.
And they wouldn't just slaughter people.
They would torture them.
They would cut their arms and legs off, throw them on a pile of fire.
Nobody ever surrendered, ever, because they knew that there was no leniency.
You're going to be tortured and killed.
theo von
Oh, so you had to fight to the death.
joe rogan
One hundred percent.
Fight to the death.
theo von
Imagine not being able to surrender because you have no choice but to fight to the death.
That's wild.
joe rogan
The concept of surrender was completely alien to Native Americans.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They fought to the fucking death.
And they fought each other to the death.
And there was battles between all of them.
And they conquered and they made alliances and, you know, especially Little Bighorn.
They all got together and fucked up Custer.
But there's so many different tribes that conquered so many different...
And you'd have to go back to when.
unidentified
Right.
theo von
You're like, when?
joe rogan
Well, you got it because you killed all these people.
Let's go back to the Algonquins.
Let's give it to the fucking Apaches.
You'd have to figure it out, man.
unidentified
This was a gigantic- You got to tickle a dreamcatcher to get the truth.
joe rogan
This was really like, in some ways, other than the violence, it was like a utopian existence.
These people followed the buffalo around, ate every part of it, used their skins to make their houses, traveled on horseback, following them around.
They didn't even make art, dude.
The Comanche didn't make art.
They didn't make anything.
theo von
Why, they were just warriors?
joe rogan
Just warriors eating meat.
All they did was eat buffalo and kill everybody else.
theo von
So is it weird that we feel bad about that?
Like, is that a trap?
Like, that's what I'm wondering.
Does that question make sense to you?
joe rogan
Well, that was the way they lived.
You know, I mean, is that better than drone bombs in Yemen?
You know, when we sit here comfortably in this fucking Austin warehouse, is it better?
Is that better?
No.
The whole thing is fucked.
It's fucked that Gaza's going on.
It's fucked that they're using these poor Ukrainians like fucking meat for the Russian war machine.
The whole thing's crazy.
It's all bad.
But the crazy that was going on back then was a one-on-one crazy.
It's a different kind of crazy.
It was like there was an understanding that if you saw somebody and they had horses or they had these, you're going to go kill them and take that thing from them.
And if you knew that there was a camp and the camp was over the top of the ridge and they would be in bed at night, you would come in the middle of the night and slaughter everybody.
theo von
Oh yeah, sneak them.
joe rogan
And they did that to each other.
They did that to each other.
So it was a horrific way of existing.
theo von
Because sometimes there's this vision that you romanticize that culture, right?
I do that a lot.
I romanticize things that I don't know about, right?
Because there just seems like something like, oh, that's romantic or something, you know?
joe rogan
Bro, this was a culture of warriors.
theo von
It was fucking hide-and-go-seek for real.
joe rogan
It was a culture of warriors.
Like, this whole country was filled with nomadic warriors.
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
And most of them got killed by fucking smallpox.
That's what's crazy.
theo von
Oh.
joe rogan
Most of them got killed by the flu and all sorts of diseases that came over with the Europeans.
theo von
How gay must that have felt, dude?
You're a fucking warrior, right?
Suddenly you get a fucking couple of bumps.
joe rogan
Some dude sneezes on you at the depot.
You go to the trading depot to drop off some fucking skins.
Some dude sneezes on you and that's a wrap.
theo von
Yeah, you're like, you've been training all day, dude.
And some guy just fucking doesn't wash his feet for half an afternoon.
joe rogan
Or just came here off a boat.
Stinky bitch was breathing shit air and drinking shit water.
You know?
Like, can you imagine the hygiene on those boats?
theo von
Oh, Columbus's ship?
It was like the first Burning Man, dude.
That place was a dump, dude.
I heard the Penta didn't even have any chicks on it, dude.
joe rogan
It's like, there's an example.
Columbus is an example.
theo von
Could you have done it?
joe rogan
I mean probably if you lived back then that would have been the thing to do because you would have been bored.
theo von
But you're in the- it's early morning, couple guys show up.
joe rogan
You would want to try to see what it looks like to go across the ocean.
If you're a young man and you just needed something in your life and you knew the dudes did it and you just eat beef jerky for three months and you make it across the ocean and when you get to the other side there's gold everywhere.
They didn't even know where they were.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
But if you read the accounts, there was a priest that traveled with them.
Some sort of religious man that traveled with them.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Like a detailed diary of the horrific things that Columbus's men did.
They bashed babies on the rocks.
They told certain men that they had to give them their weight in gold.
And if they did, they would chop dudes' arms off in front of everybody.
They enslaved these people and used them for their gold.
Because these people had no use for gold.
They didn't know how valuable gold was.
theo von
You mean when they got to the Americas?
joe rogan
Exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah.
I mean, they just slaughtered people.
They just slaughtered people, dude.
There's horrific depictions of what Columbus's people did.
theo von
I romanticize nature so much, and it's really vulgar, isn't it?
joe rogan
Well, it's just humans have always done this to each other for all of human history.
The strong groups of men with weapons invade people that aren't prepared and they take all their stuff and they conquer them.
It's always happened.
It's the most common thing.
If you go back and look at history, there's a bunch of common things.
There's an increase in the complexity of architecture and the design of the cities.
There's machines.
All these different things improve.
But along the way, the consistent thing is war.
It's constantly happening from the beginning of time, as early as we know, tribes were battling other tribes.
And back then, when there wasn't that many people, wasn't that many resources, and you were competing to see whose genes spread, it's just natural.
You develop tools and weapons, and then that's ingrained in our fucking DNA. So here we are in 2024 with iPhone 16s and Starlink, and we're still locked into this tribal war mindset because that's how humans evolved.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
And that's the scariest thing about being alive today, is that we're so advanced, we're so much more civilized than at any other point in human history, and yet, same amount of people, if not more, are dying senselessly all the time.
theo von
Right, like we're civilized on the outside, but there's a part of us that will always be uncivilized?
joe rogan
Yeah, well, the part of it is war, right?
And other parts of the world are not as calm as us.
You know, there's parts of the world that are very fucking dangerous.
Yeah.
You know, there's places in the world where you can't go without getting robbed or shot.
theo von
Yeah, Memphis, first of all.
joe rogan
Is Memphis that bad?
theo von
Memphis is bad, dude.
joe rogan
That's where Elvis came from.
theo von
Huh?
joe rogan
Isn't that where Elvis came from?
theo von
And he left, dude.
Has it changed?
joe rogan
Where's Graceland?
theo von
Actually, you know what's crazy about Graceland, dude?
It's in Memphis.
And it's cool.
You go out, they let you in the backyard after the smoke, and Elvis' grave is right there.
joe rogan
You could smoke right in front of Elvis's grave?
theo von
You could smoke 17 centimeters from Elvis's grave or 80 centimeters.
joe rogan
That movie, that Elvis movie was so good.
theo von
Which one?
The one with his girlfriend?
joe rogan
Where Tom Hanks plays the Colonel?
You didn't see that one?
theo von
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
With that dude, what is his name?
Austin?
theo von
Colonel Winters or whatever?
joe rogan
What's the fellow's name that played Elvis?
jamie vernon
Austin Butler.
joe rogan
Austin Butler is really good.
Yeah, that was good.
He fucking, he nailed it.
He was really good.
You really believed that he was Elvis.
What a crazy story.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Elvis was the first guy to get way too famous.
The first guy that was just way too famous.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, there was no one that famous before Elvis.
theo von
No, there wasn't.
Well, yeah, there was.
Jesus, probably.
Who else?
Maybe Jesus.
Constantine.
joe rogan
I think Jesus got his reputation after he was gone.
Yeah.
You know, sort of like Kurt Cobain.
theo von
Yeah, kind of.
That's a good point, huh?
joe rogan
I mean, people love Kirk Obain while he was alive, but I think they really appreciated him after he was dead.
There's certain guys.
theo von
What are you going to do when you die, dude?
joe rogan
I'm not doing shit.
I'm dead.
theo von
All right.
We'll see about that, huh?
joe rogan
We'll see about that.
That's what's interesting.
Imagine if you really do go to heaven and St. Peter really is there with a book.
You're like, this is crazy.
theo von
First thing you're going to think is, this dude's gay as fuck, I think.
joe rogan
With that robe?
Yeah.
theo von
Some dude has a checklist or whatever.
It's like trying to get in a hide or whatever.
joe rogan
You're the most enlightened being ever, but you walk around with a robe on.
Robes are stupid.
I never want to wear a robe.
Even if I have to go to like a massage place, you got to wear a robe before you take the robe off.
I'm like, okay, you're going to see me in my underwear in five minutes.
So why don't we just do it now?
theo von
It's flirting.
joe rogan
It's lingerie.
theo von
A robe, yeah, dude.
A robe is just male lingerie.
joe rogan
Why would God be wearing a robe with a rope tie?
Bro, don't you know about pants?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
You get yourself a pair of origin stretchy jeans.
They're great, man.
They look like jeans, but they feel like fucking sweatpants.
God, why are you wearing Why are you wearing a robe, man?
theo von
You think God's got that thing on him or what?
What do you think?
joe rogan
He probably got a hog.
theo von
You think?
joe rogan
He created the universe.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
theo von
But it's too big?
joe rogan
I bet you would want it.
I bet you would want it.
If you saw it, you'd want it.
theo von
I wouldn't go up to it.
joe rogan
Imagine it just has a magical attraction.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
You're not even gay, but everybody's gay for God.
theo von
Hey, look, I'll tell you this.
I might walk up to it, but I put sunglasses on first, dude.
joe rogan
If God's real, he made gay people.
Anybody who thinks gay is a choice, I think gay is a choice for some people.
Let me be real clear about this.
I think there's some people that are open-minded and say, I'll try being gay for a while.
It's not me.
Maybe it's you.
Greg Fitzsimmons said he almost tried it, and he panicked at the last minute and ran away.
theo von
I wouldn't do it.
He had to stay up late to do it, I feel like.
I feel like it's like a late night activity.
joe rogan
A lot of gay stuff doesn't happen at 9 in the morning.
theo von
Until past 1. Yeah.
Past 1 a.m.
I like to get to bed at a decent hour.
joe rogan
My point is, God made gay people.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
So it's clear, if God made everything, he made people that are gay.
The craziest religious answer, like Ben Shapiro gave me this answer.
He said he thinks you should ignore, don't do it because it's a sin, just like you want to murder people, but you don't murder them.
Like, bro, how much do you want to murder people?
Because gay people want to fuck every day.
If you want to murder people every day, check yourself in.
That's a crazy comparison.
The gay thing is literally your sexual expression.
You're attracted to other guys.
So if you're not attracted to other guys, are you sure God wrote that down?
Are you 100% positive that God really thinks that's a bad idea, but yet he made people that have that urge?
theo von
Right.
It wouldn't be fair if he did that.
It wouldn't be right.
I think the craziest thing is, I think if you, the first gay dude must have been like, what's going on, you know?
Like he's sitting there with his wife or whatever and his buddy comes over to like, you know, to just look around or whatever because they didn't have that much stuff back then.
And his buddy comes over just to like look around or tell him about like an animal he saw or something and he just starts thinking, man, I'm gonna fucking...
joe rogan
I bet...
theo von
I'm gonna get this little rabbit.
joe rogan
I bet it existed from the jump.
Little rabbit?
Little rabbit?
theo von
What do you think is a gay dude?
joe rogan
You get that little rabbit?
unidentified
I'm gonna get that little fucking booty rabbit.
joe rogan
I think gay guys have been here from the very beginning.
theo von
I'm gonna snort that little fucking...
joe rogan
You know why?
Because I think human beings...
theo von
That little dirt oyster.
Jesus Christ!
I'm just saying, bro!
What do you think?
If the thoughts have to come in your head, something puts the thoughts in you.
I think it starts in the thoughts.
I don't think it starts in the DNA. Well, it might start in the DNA, too.
joe rogan
There was, I think, see if you can find this.
I think it was University of Rome.
They proposed a theory that there was a variation of the X chromosome that existed in women that are very promiscuous.
And that these very promiscuous women had a disproportionate amount of gay sons.
unidentified
Oh.
theo von
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Yeah, so the idea is that these women are just so, they're so dick hungry that it literally passes on through their genes.
theo von
Where was it?
It wasn't in Rhode Island, was it?
joe rogan
No, but that could happen in Rhode Island.
Providence would be a good place for that.
theo von
Isn't there like a gay mecca that's kind of there?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Provincetown, I think.
theo von
Yeah, Jeff, what's his name used to party there?
Jeff from the comedy store.
joe rogan
I think Provincetown is Massachusetts.
I know what you're talking about.
There's a thing in Rhode Island.
Then there's Fire Island in New York.
But I think their thought was that the same gene that made women really promiscuous, they wanted a bunch of different sexual partners, that it might be actually a gene thing.
See, the Gene thing is weird, man, because Brett Weinstein explained this to me.
He said, do you know the difference between a beautiful woman and a woman who's hot?
And I said, no.
Like, what's the difference?
He goes, well, a beautiful woman is a woman that you would want to have a long-term relationship and raise children with.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then a hot woman...
Like, a woman who's wearing very skimpy clothes and looks like she's really made up.
The idea that that's attractive is that you could potentially spread your genes quickly without having any consequences.
So this person, you wouldn't have to have a relationship with that person, but it would give you an opportunity to spread your genes, like as primates.
theo von
Just spray and stray kind of thing.
Like Monsanto or whatever.
jamie vernon
Fertility.
The amount of children they have, I think, or something.
joe rogan
I thought it was the promiscuous women.
I think...
jamie vernon
I'll show you the title.
joe rogan
Does it say that there?
I wonder if this is their interpretation.
Yeah, that's around the time.
Gay genes survived evolution as it is carried by mothers who have more children.
But guess what?
If you have more kids, it means you like dick.
I think they were talking about promiscuity, though.
However, a study published by the Journal of Sexual Medicine found a correlation between gay men and their mothers and maternal aunts who are prone to have significantly more children compared to the maternal relatives of straight men.
theo von
I think we need more gay men in some of these areas.
joe rogan
Well, hold on a second.
Doesn't that make sense, though?
That would make sense, like, in terms of, like, natural selection.
Because if you're someone who's, like, over having kids, you have too many kids, you have, like, ten children, I would see how nature would be like, you know what, we don't need to spread these genes as much, let's make a couple of these gay.
theo von
Right.
Nature's like, let's even things out right.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
That would make sense.
theo von
Nature wants people to be...
Yes.
unidentified
Balance.
theo von
Nature wants balance.
joe rogan
Yeah, and if someone has 10 kids and everybody else has 10 kids, that could get out of hand real quick.
So I can see how if you have a lot of kids, nature would be like, you know what?
Let me do this.
What was that?
Where was that study done from?
unidentified
University of Rome.
jamie vernon
University of Padova in Italy.
unidentified
Okay.
theo von
And just as there's people that's gay, there's people that are non-sexual at all, really.
joe rogan
100%.
Which is, stay out of the fight.
You don't belong in the 2A2 plus A. Yeah.
Whatever that is.
So what is it?
It's QBD... What is it?
LGBTQ2AI plus.
A is asexual.
Stay out of it.
theo von
Yeah.
unidentified
Stay out of it.
joe rogan
It's not your fight.
unidentified
Yeah.
theo von
Yeah, they got it.
Some people...
joe rogan
It's not your fight.
theo von
Yeah, you're just like...
joe rogan
You don't even have sex with anybody.
theo von
Yeah, what if you're just jerking off at your house?
Are you in that or what?
Like, what is that?
Who are those people?
joe rogan
Right.
That's lonely sexual.
Yeah.
And L. I think they're going to put robots in there.
theo von
You see that robot cutting hay the other day?
joe rogan
I did not.
theo von
Pull that up if you don't mind, Jimmy.
joe rogan
With a scythe, like the Reaper?
Like a Reaper?
theo von
Yeah, it was like a little bit of like a, not a slave bot or whatever.
joe rogan
We were talking about robot bodyguards, that in the future you'll have robot bodyguards, you can go anywhere you want.
theo von
That'd be cool, but then like the second you start, you gotta run, they're gonna be like, alright.
And then they'll run, it's gonna take half a second, half a second kills everything.
joe rogan
I bet they just pick you up and they run with you.
theo von
Wow.
joe rogan
They just carry you.
theo von
There we go, right here.
joe rogan
This is not real?
theo von
Oh, that's not real?
jamie vernon
It's not real.
joe rogan
Jamie, you're a party pooper.
jamie vernon
Look how it's moving.
joe rogan
Super real.
You see that pod where they're killing— Jamie, that is so real.
theo von
Yeah, that's real.
Go back.
joe rogan
100% that's coming, okay?
jamie vernon
Yeah, sure, but yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, all these folks that are coming over here for jobs, there's a lot of those jobs that are going to be taken by, like, unskilled labor jobs are all going to be robots soon.
theo von
But don't you think at a certain point that we shouldn't have that?
Like at a certain point, shouldn't AI, if it doesn't help us be human, that at a certain point we should stop it?
That's how I feel like.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But you feel like we're there now?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
They should have stopped it a long time ago.
If you want humans to survive, should have stopped it a long time ago.
If you want the human race as it is now, you want this to stay?
That doesn't make sense because you're making something way better.
You're 100% going to make something and you're going to give it autonomy and you're going to give it sentience.
And it's going to be infinitely smarter than us.
It's not going to be restricted by any biological needs.
It's not going to be greedy.
It's not going to be mean.
It's not going to be malicious.
But it might decide we're useless.
They might decide that it definitely doesn't need us polluting the ocean and fucking up the fucking rivers.
theo von
It's risky.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Nuclear waste.
It's going to be like, what are you doing, you morons?
Why are you idiots cracking atoms?
Stay out of that.
theo von
You don't even know what you're doing.
joe rogan
Here's free porn and a fucking VR mask.
Just give you free food.
theo von
Have a blast.
joe rogan
Let you stop breeding.
Our population will just drop off a cliff.
theo von
They just, I saw, um, they, um, what were we talking about a second ago?
joe rogan
Robots.
theo von
Yeah.
Oh, they're killing people at the airport.
joe rogan
You want another hit of us?
theo von
Yeah, I'll take another one, man.
I need another Soty or something.
You got anything on you in here?
joe rogan
We got coffee.
unidentified
You want some coffee?
theo von
Take another Kill Cliff if you got one.
joe rogan
Jamie, go get you one.
Want some coffee?
theo von
Do you mind?
Is that coffee?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's a clean mug.
theo von
It is.
It's warm coffee, eh?
joe rogan
It just came out of the dishwasher.
theo von
It's like the Civil War.
joe rogan
Why are you pouring it with one hand trapped underneath that arm?
theo von
You're freaking me out.
Challenging myself, dude.
joe rogan
That is wrist-ability.
That was all wrist.
You didn't move your arm at all, dude.
You were all wrist on that jam.
That's hard to do, man.
Thank you.
Wrist is the weakest link.
You ever do wrist curls?
I'm shocked at how weak, bitch-ass my wrists are.
theo von
Oh, it's amazing.
Well, it's amazing whenever you take, like, in jiu-jitsu classes how the first thing you start to learn is to control the wrist.
It's crazy.
It changes everything.
joe rogan
Especially guys with big hands.
You could grab, like, a guy with a basketball player style hands.
There's this dude named Semmy Schilt.
He used to fight in the UFC. Semmy?
Semmy Schilt.
He was seven feet tall.
theo von
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
And the problem with Semmy is if you got on top of him, he just grabs your wrists.
You can't get your hands free.
You're like, this motherfucker...
Because he had these fucking baseball mitts for hands.
He just wrapped his hands around you.
That's Semi Schilt.
unidentified
Wow!
joe rogan
He was a K-1 Grand Prix winner.
theo von
Oh my god, he looks like Zach Bryan on the top.
joe rogan
Seven foot tall.
He was a beast, dude.
He fought in MMA, too.
Wasn't a good grappler, unfortunately.
That was kind of his downfall.
But he had a nasty front kick to the body.
Yeah, he fought Peter Hertz.
He fought everybody, man.
Semi was good.
And he was real tall and real good at utilizing that height.
theo von
Wow.
It would seem like I would be scared to be that tall in MMA because there would be more of you to be attacked by.
joe rogan
Sort of, but you're way further away.
You know, like the whole thing is distance where you could effectively strike them and they can't strike you.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like a guy built like John Jones has the perfect fighter's frame because he's still very strong.
He has a lot of muscle, but he's also long and lean.
So he's not relatively bulky compared to his weight because he's long and stretched out.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So he can hit you from here.
And you can only hit him from here.
This amount of distance is so huge.
If you have a distance like that much, where a guy can hit you and you can't hit him, you have to cross that and you're so vulnerable while crossing that.
And if a guy's a good counter striker and he's active and he's long, They're so, so hard to get in on.
So a guy like John, that's always going to be an advantage.
And then with John, if you do get in on him, that's no picnic because he's an elite grappler.
So he's going to strangle you.
He's going to throw you to the ground.
So you're fucked.
You're in this fuck zone.
On the outside, he's kicking the shit out of your knees.
John's one of the nastiest, like sidekicking people's knees out.
Yeah.
theo von
Most dangerous guy.
joe rogan
Very dangerous.
theo von
People say that he's Dana White's favorite fighter.
Is that the truth, do you think?
joe rogan
Dana White says he's the greatest of all time, which a lot of people say.
I go back and forth on what I think the greatest of all time means.
theo von
That's a good question.
joe rogan
If you want to say who dominated his division longer than anybody, who beat everybody that was ever any good in his division, and who never lost, that's Jon Jones.
The only time you could say he had a controversial decision was the Dominic Reyes fight.
It was Dominic Reyes was coming up, he was in his prime, it was a really good fight.
A really close fight.
But Jon won what I think was a split decision.
And then he had a split decision with Tiago Santos.
But Tiago Santos, he blew out both of Tiago's knees.
Tiago needed knee surgery on both of his knees after that fight.
I think that was a split decision.
But the bottom line is John won all those fights.
And then, you know, he wins the heavyweight title too.
It's tough to argue he's not the greatest of all time.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
I say, you know, if you had to only pick one, I would pick John.
But I don't like only picking one because there's a bunch of reasons why other guys are in this elite class of being considered as possibly the greatest of all time.
I always say Mighty Mouse.
Because Mighty Mouse would do things where you're like, what the fuck did he just do?
When he fought Ray Borg, he tossed him in the air and caught him in a fucking arm bar on the way down.
Do you ever see that?
theo von
No, I've never seen that.
joe rogan
It's one of the craziest things I've ever seen a guy do inside the cage.
He threw this dude through the air and caught a flying arm bar in the air.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
It's so fast.
To me, it's like when I just think, watch this, throws him, Oh!
Bro.
theo von
Wow, dude.
joe rogan
Bro.
theo von
Bro.
If that dude ain't good at gift wrapping, you got the wrong guy, bro.
joe rogan
You know how crazy that is?
Look how crazy this is.
In the middle of the air, he switches to an arm bar on an elite fighter in a world championship fight.
That's like a stunt.
That's like a stunt move.
If you saw that in a movie, he'd be like, shut the fuck up.
Nobody can do that.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
He did it in an MMA championship fight where he was dominating the fight.
theo von
Yeah, it's crazy how many of those guys are like Hollywood stuntmen, you know?
joe rogan
And then you also gotta, like, if you just look on record, this is where it gets crazy.
If you just look on record of accomplishments against champions, you kind of have to put Alex Pereira already in the conversation of potential greatest of all time, which is so crazy.
He's one of only three two-division champions, right?
How many have you been to?
You have Connor.
You have DC. You have Alex.
I think that's it.
theo von
No.
joe rogan
I think that's it.
Amanda Nunes, that doesn't really count because 45, it does count, but 45 is kind of a non-existent weight class.
It kind of doesn't exist.
theo von
He's a hunter, that guy.
joe rogan
She was fighting girls that could have fought 35. It's real, but like 45 is the most, 145 for women is the most shallow division in MMA. So yes, you would say Amanda too.
So it's a small percentage of people that have achieved that.
And he achieved it in record time.
He's knocked out so many fucking champions.
Knocked out Jamal Hill.
Beat the shit out of Yuri Prohaska.
Knocked him out in the second fight.
unidentified
That was crazy.
joe rogan
Bro!
theo von
Hunted him.
joe rogan
Bro.
Bro.
theo von
That guy's unbelievable watching him.
joe rogan
He's a fucking monster, dude.
He's a monster.
He's a force.
What he did to Khalil Roundtree was a clinic.
theo von
Khalil's amazing, too.
joe rogan
He's amazing.
To do that to a guy like Khalil, that was a clinic in elite, world-class MMA. And at first, the first two rounds, you're like, what is this like?
theo von
What's going on?
Khalil's in it.
They're both in it.
But then you start to see that Pereira's hunting.
It's like this hunting.
joe rogan
Yeah, the pressure never ends.
theo von
Yeah, and you're like, oh my god, it's like literally watching one of those snakes, like a snake when they're just kind of like, like, did you see that snake that ate that deer?
It was like a 77 pound deer or whatever?
joe rogan
Yeah, I did see that.
unidentified
You did?
Of course.
joe rogan
I see all that shit.
theo von
Shit's crazy, dude.
Bring that up, bring that up to that big dog, man.
joe rogan
I'm glad he says snake because that's kind of how Pereira moves.
He moves like a snake.
Like he pulls back and then he strikes forward.
He pulls back.
He's a master at just getting right outside of your shots and then his shots are coming in right behind him.
theo von
And he operates at his own speed.
He's almost like Alvin Kamara is a football player that does that.
He operates at his...
It's a speed you've never seen.
It looks normal, but it's...
Different.
joe rogan
Well, it varies a lot too.
Like sometimes he moves fast and sometimes he moves slow.
It's very hypnotic.
theo von
Yes, it's hypnotic!
joe rogan
It's also unique.
He's got a unique frame.
So he kind of looks, he moves different on design.
Like he doesn't switch his hips when he throws kicks.
So you don't see him come until it's too late.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So he's standing in front of you, and when he kicks, there's no movement of his shoulders.
He's just throwing these kicks out, and they land.
And they're not as hard as if he put his whole body into it, but it's hard enough where you're like, oh, no.
And you get hit with a couple of those, three, four, five of those.
All of a sudden, you're like, I can't walk anymore, and now he's hunting you, and he's hunting you.
See, I would put him already in the conversation.
I don't think he's better than Jon Jones, greatest of all time, but I already put him in the conversation as a potential greatest of all time nominee.
He's right there.
theo von
He's the male Katniss Everdeen.
joe rogan
He's only been in MMA for a few years.
theo von
He's a hunter.
joe rogan
And he's only been in the UFC for a few years.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
A couple of MMA fights other than the UFC, and then the UFC for this run at the top of the division, just smashing everyone to a blitherent.
So then you got Khabib, undefeated.
Oh yeah, so many greats.
George St. Pierre, another two-division champion.
That's right.
George won at 85 as well.
I almost forgot George.
Yeah, so George, one of the greatest of all times for sure.
Yeah, I saw him.
theo von
I got to see him in Canada.
joe rogan
Anderson in his prime.
Anderson is prime is in that conversation.
You got to look at them like in there in the moment Whenever there's a moment of time period like this amount of years to that amount of years Let's all agree that this is the prime forget about when they should have retired Let that go.
Yeah, just talk about them when they're at their best.
Who is the best?
theo von
That's a good point.
Yeah Because everybody that's doing great, you want to stay as long as you can.
It would be weird if you didn't, probably.
joe rogan
But you can't judge them by how they were when they should have gotten out.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Because it's just a foolish endeavor.
They shouldn't have been fighting a killer at 42 years old, you know, natural.
theo von
And it's timing, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, but there's just a lot.
When fighters fight late into their career, you've got to kind of...
You gotta kind of erase that when you think about their ultimate expression.
I feel like their prime is their ultimate.
It's everything they could do.
They did everything right.
They crossed every T. They measured all their food.
They fucking did the cryo chamber and they did saunas every day and got massages and were sparring and doing strength and conditioning drills and they were going over moves with their coaches.
They had a battle plan.
Everything!
So those guys, you can only do that for so long.
That's like a nine year at the best.
So you gotta look like in that window, like Fedor in Pride.
You gotta look in that window.
Don't look at Fedor now and, you know, Guys are knocking him out, and it's just not the same.
He's an old guy.
He's been beating up a bunch of times.
Still a bad motherfucker, but it's not that dude who was running pride in the early 2000s.
theo von
Right, it's not fair.
joe rogan
Yeah, you gotta look at them when they're in BJ Penn at his best.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
B.J. Penn for a few years, I'd say he's as good as anybody.
theo von
I know you talk about him a lot.
I've heard you speak about him a lot.
joe rogan
Dude!
When he was in his prime, it was just a matter of was B.J. going to get him in the first round?
Was he going to get him in the second round?
B.J. was hyper-aggressive and just unbelievably talented.
theo von
I wasn't watching back then.
joe rogan
And dexterity, dude.
He had crazy dexterity.
theo von
He's the governor of Maui, isn't he?
No, no, no.
joe rogan
He was running for the governor of Hawaii.
theo von
Did he win?
joe rogan
No, he didn't win.
theo von
Aww.
joe rogan
No.
theo von
I went to Maui not too long ago, maybe four months ago.
joe rogan
Maui's awesome.
theo von
Yeah, but we went to the place where the fires were.
Blew my mind, man.
joe rogan
It's still nothing, right?
theo von
It was unbelievable.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
It was just like...
It was unbelievable to see what had occurred, you know?
And just like...
It's crazy how quickly we...
Just as like...
How we move past certain tragedies, you know?
Like, we don't mean to, it's just the news cycle does, and, you know, we get kind of addicted to the news cycle, and so then it's kind of hard, you know?
But it was...
joe rogan
I'll tell you one thing.
The way the administration handled that, I think, put a bad taste in a lot of people's mouth, while at the same time they're sending all that money to Ukraine.
I think that was a big problem with the Biden administration when they did that.
I think you can't do that.
You can't, while you're sending all this money overseas, ignore the people that are here.
Because then it's like, why are you deciding in this manner that you don't want to help people that were hit with one of the biggest wildfire tragedies ever?
Why are you deciding to give them $700?
theo von
Especially in one of the most beautiful places that our country has to even exist.
joe rogan
Not only that, but you're not protecting them from potential land grabs, right?
Because one of the things that's going on with this is like they got to do insurance and they go through insurance and this and that.
But meanwhile, these people are still paying mortgages.
So, like, what happens?
theo von
And it's hard to figure out there, Joe, because a lot of people, they live, like, second and third generations, all living in the same home.
joe rogan
Right.
theo von
And they've also, a lot of, you know how Hawaii is, they, like, they'll, like, take little pieces of land.
It's like, you know, people will build, like, something small and just live in somebody else's yard, that kind of thing.
It's very, like, um...
joe rogan
Well, there's only so much land, but the problem is the land where that fire hit was very valuable.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
It's like this perfect slope looking down at the ocean.
joe rogan
So what I would be fearful of, and if I was someone that was working in the government that wanted to protect people from being victimized, I would say, hey, let's make sure that this land doesn't get snatched up.
Let's make sure that these people get their land back.
theo von
That'd be the first thing I would say.
joe rogan
If they all want to sell out to a resort and they make a decision on their own, you know, that's one thing.
But if they get hit with a wildfire and then all of a sudden it takes forever for them to rebuild, they don't have the finances to rebuild, maybe there's a struggle with insurance.
Who knows?
Who knows?
Maybe you didn't pay your insurance that month.
Who knows?
And now all of a sudden this land gets snatched up and you're like, whoa.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because if they just, like, one of the things that the governor was talking about was like turning it into a park or something like that.
What did he say?
Acquiring it for the state?
What was his exact term that he said?
But he said it like right after the tragedy.
It was like, dude.
theo von
This is not the time to say it.
joe rogan
It's not the time to ever say it.
It's not the time to ever say you're going to take people's land and turn it into a park.
Because they just got hit by a fire.
So now, you used to live in this amazing place with a killer view.
Not anymore.
Now the government's going to take your land.
Why?
Because you got in a tragedy.
What?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, I got double fucked?
You got double fucked.
You don't even get to keep the land?
Like, you can't even rebuild there?
No, not anymore.
There was a tragedy here.
Like, wait a minute.
theo von
Well, I think that's a weird thing when you don't feel like as a person that your government is going to support you.
I think that's...
But that's probably like a feeling why...
joe rogan
Bro, that sounds like the opposite.
It's like your government's trying to rob you.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
Like, did you find it?
Find the quote that he said?
We gotta read the quote because the quote is like, it made so many Hawaiians so pissed off.
Tulsi was so pissed off.
BJ was pissed off.
Everybody was like, this is crazy.
Like, how can you say that right after a tragedy like this?
theo von
Yeah, I remember I went there and I just walked up to the fire department that was like up the hill from there.
joe rogan
Oh, man.
theo von
And I just walked up and I was like, hey, I would like to, is there any way that I could go see what happened?
jamie vernon
When I was looking for it, this says that the video is shortened and it makes the comments distorted.
joe rogan
It distorts Hawaii Governor's comments about the state buying land in Lahaina.
So what did he actually say though?
I'm already thinking about ways for the state to acquire that land.
So that we can put it into workforce housing to put it back to families or to make it open spaces in perpetuity as a memorial to people who are lost.
We want this to be something that we remember after the pain passes as a magic place and Lahaina will rebuild.
The tragedy right now is the loss of life.
The buildings can be rebuilt over time.
Even the banyan tree may survive.
But we don't want this to become a clear space where then, yes, people from overseas come and decide they're going to take it.
The state will take it and preserve it first.
theo von
So maybe some of their goal was to preserve it.
joe rogan
Hold on a second.
Hold on a second.
Say that again.
Scroll back.
This is interesting.
We don't want this to become a clear space where then, yes, people from overseas...
Come and decide they're going to take it.
The state will take it and preserve it first.
I think what they're probably worried about then is the banks grabbing it.
So them saying that the state could take the land might be to prevent the banks from grabbing it and selling it and putting something there.
But it still seems like overreach if you're living in the fucking place where the state's going to take the land.
theo von
Well, it would be very scary as just a regular person.
Yeah.
So I'm either going to lose my land to here or to here.
joe rogan
Right.
Like, where am I going now?
What am I doing?
You know?
And you're not hearing anything about it.
theo von
Yeah, you don't anymore.
joe rogan
We looked it up once.
There was a time where the government accidentally over-sent money to Ukraine.
They sent them $6 billion they shouldn't have sent.
So we looked up.
How much would it have cost to rebuild every house in Maui from the fires?
It's $5 billion.
So the extra money that they accidentally sent to Ukraine, they could have sent there and rebuilt every house and had a billion dollars left over.
unidentified
But...
joe rogan
But we give you $700.
theo von
Unreal.
joe rogan
That's disgusting.
That's disgusting.
Like, if you want us to pretend that we're all on the same team, you've got to treat us all like we're on the same team.
You can't really be throwing all this money into Ukraine, and then there's places in America that suck, and you're not doing anything to help these folks.
Like...
theo von
Yeah, and people will say, like, well, your tax dollars don't affect you, but at a certain point, it's not even about the...
It's just like, do you not...
Like, if I'm an American and I'm contributing to this business by being an American and being part of the system, does the system not care about me, you know?
But I guess everybody thinks about that in different ways, so...
joe rogan
Well, I think whenever you have a system...
theo von
I don't know, man.
I'm out of my mind.
joe rogan
System, you know, system's a bunch of people.
And so when you have a bunch of people, an enormous amount of people, it's too many people to think about as individuals.
You think about it as numbers, and that's like the sort of sociopath version of a government.
They just think of you as a number.
theo von
Yeah.
But when people start to lose their purpose, like, if you start to lose your sense of being an American, that's big for a lot of people, right?
So then it's a sense of purpose, right?
One of the senses of purpose is I feel like that we get, or like having a job, having a family or somebody that loves you or that you love, or being a part of a country, right?
Being a part of a fabric of a society.
And when those things start to erode, some of those things, and if you don't have any other ones to back it up, then people get really rogue.
joe rogan
Well, they get rogue, especially if they've been told by the mainstream media forever that if one side wins, you're going to be in a right-wing fascist dictatorship.
theo von
Yeah, that just fucking pisses me off.
I don't understand that.
That should be a crime.
joe rogan
Well, at the very least, it's slanderous.
It's not true.
You can't back that up.
It's not true.
You're saying something that we have evidence of four years of him being a president and not doing that.
theo von
And what does fascist mean?
joe rogan
Let's look up the actual definition.
But there's a bunch of different versions of it.
It's usually connected to a right-wing authoritarian ideology and a power of the state over people.
And it gets twisted around a lot because it's also – you could also say it's fascist to impose certain ideas on people, demand certain speech, which would make a lot of left-wing people fascists as well.
Far-right authoritarian and utilitarian, ultra-nationalist, political ideology and movement characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race.
And strong regimentation of society and economy opposed to anarchism, democracy, pluralism, egalitarianism, liberalism, socialism, and Marxism.
Fascism is placed on the far-right wing within the traditional left-right wing spectrum.
theo von
Who's doing all that?
joe rogan
No one is.
So it's a bullshit term that you're throwing on a guy who has a different political philosophy than you.
Put it back up again, please.
There's real fascists in the world.
There's really dangerous people.
That guy's not.
He's got a big ego.
He says ridiculous things.
theo von
Who are you talking about?
joe rogan
Trump.
He doesn't behave like a guy that you think of in a traditional sense of being the president.
theo von
No, he just seems like an older guy who likes being Donald Trump.
joe rogan
I think he loves being Donald Trump, but I think he's got some good ideas that a lot of businessmen agree with.
theo von
Well, I think you need a businessman to do this.
It's not a it's not a we don't live in a like this like Care Bear world anymore.
Our politics, it's become a dirty fucking business.
I think you want a businessman in there.
I don't care somebody's attitude.
Can the guy do business?
It's all business now.
It's been sold out.
I don't feel like it's this...
I don't know.
Does that make any sense, dude?
Sorry, dude.
I'm fucking having a day, man.
joe rogan
Don't apologize.
I know what you're saying.
I know what you're saying.
Yeah, it is business.
theo von
But you want a shrewd business, man.
I don't need Mary Poppins in there, right?
I don't need somebody to tell me everything's okay.
I need somebody to make our fucking food safe.
I need somebody to make our streets safe.
And that's all I really need.
I feel like if I'm paying taxes, then those are the things that I should expect at my FDA and at my police department, which I'm paying for, are going to be able to...
Make sure that I can raise a family and raise them healthily and make it home from work to see my children.
I feel like I don't have any children yet, but I already feel, you know, that's what I feel like people want.
I don't care about anything else.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think most people feel the same way.
They just want to be safe and happy.
RFK Jr. tweeted something.
See if you can find that.
theo von
Well, Adam McKay had a great, great tweet.
joe rogan
But RFK tweeted like a message to...
unidentified
The thing you sent me yesterday?
joe rogan
Is it the RFK one?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
It was long, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What's the matter, bro?
theo von
It's having the worst day today, man.
joe rogan
I got it right here if you want it, Jamie.
jamie vernon
I got it.
theo von
Sorry.
Being a downer.
joe rogan
No, you're not being a downer.
jamie vernon
That's it.
theo von
I'm sorry, man.
joe rogan
Look at that.
FDA's war on public health is about to end.
This includes its aggressive suppression of psychedelics, peptides, stem cells, raw milk, hyperbaric therapies, chelating compounds, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, vitamins, clean food, sunshine, exercise, nutraceuticals, and anything else that advances human health and can't be patented by pharma.
If you work for the FDA and are a part of this corrupt system...
I have two messages for you.
Number one, preserve your records.
And number two, pack your bags.
Whoa.
That's what's crazy about Trump winning.
That's what's crazy.
theo von
Yeah, that's the thing.
I love this.
joe rogan
And then you got people like Tulsi.
That's the type of person you want.
Congresswoman for eight years.
Impeccable character.
And then you've got Vivek, who's a genius.
You got J.D. Vance, who's fucking brilliant as well.
theo von
Oh, he's great.
joe rogan
So you have a bunch of good people with him this go-around.
theo von
Well, yeah, it's like...
joe rogan
We gotta, like, get people off each other's necks, man.
You know, that's what we gotta do.
We gotta get people to, like, stop attacking each other.
It's so crazy.
theo von
Well, I felt a sense of, like, even after the election was over, I felt like people, everything just felt kind of calm.
joe rogan
Well, it's a team thing, dude.
It's like your team lost.
It really is.
These people that are super addicted to politics, they're like people who don't follow sports, never played any games.
This is the way they compete.
They compete for the most important thing, like who gets to dictate the tone of the country.
theo von
Right.
I've never expected politics to have any effect on my life.
Even when I was a kid, I didn't...
My mom told us don't ever depend on the government for anything.
You just have to figure it out.
They used to have some rich dude or whatever.
Our street, it would cut between the highway and this other road where people would go.
They had a guy who was a veterinarian or whatever.
He would go down our street.
He would stop and throw out...
He was a veterinarian.
And he would throw like animal carcasses into our ditch and shit, right?
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, like dead cats and shit?
theo von
Yeah, dead animals, you know, different animals.
Nothing really, I would say medium-sized, you know, probably 32 waist and lower, right?
unidentified
Right.
theo von
He would throw those bitches out into the dock and I guess just get rid of them.
And our neighborhood was like the poor neighborhood, so it was like, who gives a fuck about these people, right?
unidentified
Wow, that asshole.
theo von
Totally.
joe rogan
Just throw them on the streets?
theo von
Throw them in the ditch.
But we'd call the police and they'd be like, yeah, we'll help.
And they would never come, you know?
And my mom was like, don't ever.
I remember her telling us, do not ever expect the government to fucking help you do anything.
You have to do shit yourself, you know?
joe rogan
Also, cops don't want to take dead animals and fucking pick it up and put it in a bag.
Like, that's not what they signed up for.
theo von
Yeah, I don't know.
joe rogan
I mean, if they're not busy.
And then go investigate the, let's see, what kind of animal was this?
theo von
Yeah, it was this veterinarian.
And he would just throw those bitches.
And sometimes it would be, you know, after they died or whatever, like, after they, like, you know, after the bones got blanched or whatever by the sun, we would fucking throw, you know, do like games or shit, but nothing.
What?
Or, you know, throw them at each other.
joe rogan
You guys would throw in bones at each other?
theo von
Yeah, fucking six ribcages there, yeah.
Welcome to Haiti, dude.
joe rogan
That's probably why you don't get sick a lot.
You probably got immunized by all the bacteria and finding dead animals.
theo von
Yeah, we had a good time.
But nothing like that snake had in that ditch.
Bring that thing back up, dude.
joe rogan
I wonder how many fucking kids that get helicopter parented get allergic to more shit because they don't get exposed to things.
They're not crawling around.
Playing in dirt and shit.
All that stuff's probably gotta be good for your body.
Right?
When you're little kids, especially playing in dirt, playing outside.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
If you're just sheltered or whatever?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Just for your biome.
It's gotta be good for you.
theo von
Yeah, I'm trying to think of what was in our biome or whatever.
joe rogan
Or whatever.
theo von
You know?
I gotta ask my mom, I guess.
Yeah, that snake was crazy.
That's the crazy thing to me, man, is seeing a snake eat something like that.
joe rogan
Do you know how many snakes there are in the Everglades?
There's more pythons.
unidentified
Let me guess.
joe rogan
More pythons in the Everglades.
theo von
I would guess 150,000.
Oh no, that's even low, I bet.
I would bet 200,000.
joe rogan
500. Wow.
That's just a rough estimation they could be off by a factor of who fucking knows.
They don't really know.
It's dense, dense, dense, dense jungle.
theo von
Yeah, and the guy you're asking is probably like, yeah, there's probably five.
joe rogan
I have this dude in here, python cowboy.
He goes and hunts for him.
He's got a dog, and the dog will find the nests.
He's pulling these giant-ass pythons out of nests.
theo von
That dog's been sexually assaulted, I bet.
I'll say that, dude.
joe rogan
That dog's a psychopath.
It's going after something that can easily swallow it.
theo von
Dude, that's a 77-pound deer.
You see that?
Yeah, dude.
That thing is a damn sixth grader, dude.
joe rogan
They eat alligators.
theo von
That's crazy.
joe rogan
This is the crazy thing.
Because of the introduction of pythons into the Everglades, 90% of all the mammals are missing.
There's no mammals anymore.
theo von
Oh, they ate them all.
joe rogan
They ate them all.
Wow.
90% are missing.
theo von
How long does it take a snake to eat something that big?
joe rogan
Well, the thing is the number of snakes.
Like, it's the perfect environment for those animals.
Like, it's like they just dropped off in paradise.
Nothing eats them.
There's no crocodiles.
theo von
Snakes, yeah, they're living it.
joe rogan
So some alligators must eat some of them.
theo von
But how long does it take a snake to eat some?
joe rogan
Look at this.
2012 study found that...
Populations of raccoon had declined 99.3%, opossums 98.9%, and bobcats 87.5% since 1997. Marsh rabbits, cottontail rabbits, and foxes effectively disappeared over that time.
Got it!
So they've essentially eradicated all the rabbits...
And the foxes.
theo von
But how long does it...
I mean, it's unbelievable.
But how long...
That's Satan working as well.
And how long does it take...
How long does it take a snake to digest?
Like, how long does it take once it gets that deer?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
I wonder.
I know that...
theo von
Like, is it days or is it, like, weeks?
joe rogan
Let's guess.
theo von
Okay.
joe rogan
A full deer.
One week.
I say one week.
theo von
Oh, that's a pretty good guess.
joe rogan
Because there's like antlers and shit and hooves.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
theo von
Wish I'd guessed that.
joe rogan
Do you think they'd swallow the antlers?
Do they go for the bucks and swallow antlers?
theo von
Well, I bet.
joe rogan
Can you imagine swallowing?
You'd feel like such an asshole when the antler was going down.
You'd be like, oh my god, I can't believe I swallowed the antler.
That's going to take forever to break down.
You're just going to be rolling around with antlers inside your chest forever.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, everywhere you go, ow!
unidentified
Ow!
joe rogan
Just the revenge of that deer.
theo von
No comfortable way to sleep.
joe rogan
What do they do with the antlers, man?
theo von
Well, they must die.
I'm sure they just get to that point and the rest of the body is deceased.
joe rogan
Well, the antler is just bone, but it's so pokey.
Like, look at it.
theo von
I would bet three weeks.
joe rogan
Isn't that the wildest thing that nature does, dude?
Nature gives them weapons for a few months.
This is what happens with a deer.
When they stop breeding, these fall off.
Every year.
So you find them on the ground, they call them sheds.
theo von
So you can only defend yourself while you're breeding.
joe rogan
Exactly.
And it's offensive as much as it's defensive.
They run at each other and clash.
You see them fighting.
It happens all the time.
It's pretty fucking cool.
They go after each other and just fuck each other up.
theo von
Yeah, they'll see them sometimes hooked together.
Yeah, I mean, nature is dangerous.
Nature is really, really unbelievable.
That's the number one person in the world.
joe rogan
I saw a horrible video of these two deer that got locked together.
So they're clashing antlers that got locked together.
And one of them got eaten by a coyote.
So one was still alive, connected to this body, couldn't get away, while the other one got torn apart by a coyote.
And it was just dumb luck that the coyotes picked him versus that, because neither one of them can get away.
The coyotes recognized that they were locked into each other and just picked one and went after them, just gutted them.
theo von
That's like when you're in a threesome, but nobody wants to touch you, you know?
Look at this thing.
jamie vernon
He's trying to eat one with antlers and got fucked up.
joe rogan
Got fucked up.
Oh, God.
theo von
Oh, it cut his own body open?
jamie vernon
Bails on it.
joe rogan
Oh, it split his body wide open.
Oh, my God.
Oh, look at his mouth.
He's got the antlers stuck through his fucking jaw.
theo von
I would hate something.
I hate it when people take...
joe rogan
Oh, he slid off of it.
Wow.
theo von
I hate it when people take a long time to eat, you know?
joe rogan
Oh, it went right through him.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
theo von
But don't you hate that, though?
Like when you're eating and somebody, um...
You're done eating and they're still eating?
joe rogan
That doesn't bother me at all.
That bothers you?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why?
That doesn't bother me even a little bit.
theo von
Really?
joe rogan
No.
theo von
Yeah, like you're at a restaurant and they're done.
Right, they're done and you have to fucking...
You're done.
And they're still just...
joe rogan
They're still eating.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, just talk to them.
theo von
Yeah, but then you feel like you have to pretend like you're still, like, scraping your bowl or whatever.
No.
joe rogan
No.
You're thinking too much.
theo von
I think it's crazy to sit there and watch somebody eat.
Do you?
Yeah, bro.
joe rogan
Why?
theo von
Because, dude, they're eating.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you were eating with them, too.
theo von
Yeah, but you're done.
joe rogan
So what?
theo von
Now you're just going to fucking look at them?
joe rogan
I'm just going to look at them.
Like, how is it?
Tell me about each bite.
theo von
I don't like when people eat real slow.
joe rogan
Okay.
theo von
Makes me nervous.
joe rogan
Well, you should just be real clear about that before you go out with someone.
theo von
Like, let's eat it.
joe rogan
Like, we can eat together, but I got this thing.
Like, when I'm done, you're done.
Imagine if you're a super reasonable boyfriend in every other way, but you just had this rule.
When I'm done eating, no one eats.
And she's like, well, this is bullshit.
Like, I know, it sounds crazy.
I can't kick it.
I have a tick.
I have a psychological problem.
I can't just sit there.
So when I'm done eating, you have to be done.
And I don't eat fast.
I don't eat fast.
unidentified
But I'm warning you, when that fucking bell rings, all folks are off the table.
theo von
Bone-epa time's up, dude.
joe rogan
That would be the weirdest thing that you were obsessed with.
You have to end at the exact same time.
Last bite.
theo von
That kind of shit.
Yeah, that kind of stuff.
Little things kind of make me uncomfortable, dude.
What else was I thinking about?
joe rogan
Pythons.
theo von
Yeah, pythons, whales or whatever.
Big animals.
Dude, it's crazy how they have all those Airbnbs now where it's like, you can stay in a hollowed out whale carcass out here on the podcast.
You know, it's like...
Like, Airbnbs!
Bring up some Airbnbs, please, sir.
They've gotten weird.
It's like, welcome to this two-story whale carcass down here at Punta Verde, Mexico.
They make up, it's like, Punta Sa...
Every month, there's a new Punta in Mexico.
You're like, what the fuck are we doing?
joe rogan
You renamed a city.
theo von
Every time, it's like, welcome to fucking Punta Pescado, Mexico.
You want to stay in this two-bedroom...
joe rogan
You can stay in that.
It's a potato.
theo von
It's a potato.
joe rogan
It's a giant potato.
What is that?
What did they call it?
Okay, 10 weirdest Airbnb listings let you sleep in a shoe, an elephant, and a flying saucer.
Yo, let's go to the flying saucer.
unidentified
Oh shit, I want to stay there.
theo von
That's yours, dude.
joe rogan
Bro, if I wasn't married, I'd have the stupidest house.
My house would be one of two things.
I'd either have it built into the side of a hill like The Hobbit, That'd be kind of dope.
Or I would go full spaceship.
Just a house where a 16-year-old boy would see it and be like, dude.
Yeah, just appear to the child in you.
theo von
Like Kid Rock's vibe.
joe rogan
Totally.
Kid Rock's vibe.
Kid Rock's White House, I maintain, is the coolest celebrity house I've ever been to.
theo von
It's one of one, man.
joe rogan
It's not just one of one.
He's the only one that would even think about doing that.
It's like him and maybe John Daly would build a fucking White House.
theo von
John Daly's unbelievable, dude.
Every time I go somewhere, every time he's there, an ambulance takes him home.
unidentified
It's fucking unbelievable, dude.
theo von
Every time I'm there, it's almost like he hits a hole in heaven, dude.
I'm like, this motherfucker's headed.
One time, the ambulance came.
They came in to look for him.
He went out and sat in the ambulance to ride home with him, bro.
And they're in the place, and they're like, where is he?
joe rogan
There's something everybody loves about the overweight dude who's really good at a game.
theo von
Dude, do you see that golfer girl, though?
The girl that smokes?
The female John Daly, dude?
joe rogan
No.
theo von
Is she hot?
Oh, yeah, buddy.
joe rogan
She smokes cigarettes?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
theo von
Yeah, boy.
joe rogan
She's hot?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Whoa.
unidentified
Welcome to 1984. It's coming back.
theo von
Let's do it, dude.
joe rogan
Let's go.
theo von
Because I've got to get a damn wife, Joe Rogan.
joe rogan
That's your move.
Get yourself a golfer wife.
Oh, look at that.
Smoking cigarettes.
Looking hot.
Let me see.
Ooh, baby.
And smoking in front of everybody, too.
jamie vernon
Yeah, she just rips darts on the...
joe rogan
Is she from England?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Ah, there you go.
theo von
Puffer McGavin, dude.
joe rogan
Over there, they just fucking smoke.
They smoke a lot more over there.
Everybody's got a goddamn cigarette.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
I'll smoke that lady.
joe rogan
I bet you will.
theo von
Sorry, that's insane.
joe rogan
That sounds like a death threat.
theo von
Also, man, if she could be married, I have no idea.
unidentified
Yeah, right?
joe rogan
Don't be rude.
What the fuck's wrong with you, bro?
theo von
I don't know.
I'm just fucking...
Everything's high strung today.
joe rogan
There was a professional pool player.
His name was Kid Delicious.
And everybody loved him because he was this big fat dude who played really good.
But it was the big fat guy thing that people liked.
Like, oh, you don't have to be a fucking athlete.
theo von
You don't have to be any good.
joe rogan
You don't have to be a guy eating salads and fucking getting up in the morning doing yoga before you come to the pool hall.
No.
This guy is out there eating hot dogs.
That was Kid Delicious.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a great book about him.
John Wertheim, I think his name is, Running the Table.
Yeah.
theo von
Yeah, people love short-term fats, man.
There's something about it.
If you know there's a bigger guy and you think he's not going to live long, there's an exceptional amount of love that goes into them immediately.
joe rogan
But John Daly back in the day wasn't fat.
He was like an athlete.
This is just a lifetime of living hard.
theo von
Oh, he's a fucking...
joe rogan
Look at him, right there.
He was a fucking stout dude.
theo von
Oh, he looks...
No, John Daly's an exceptional guy.
Great storyteller.
He's a fucking...
He's the Santa Claus of every 7-Eleven I've ever been to.
joe rogan
Look at that hair.
But he's a guy that's been playing golf for, like, how many fucking years now, you know?
theo von
I don't know, definitely.
joe rogan
You know the feel you must have of that ball playing professional golf for all those years?
theo von
Yeah.
He'll hit a 68er in an ICU, dude.
This guy's one of a kind, I feel like.
You know?
Nobody could do it like him.
He's exceptional.
joe rogan
All he drinks is Diet Coke.
theo von
Yeah, sure.
joe rogan
He doesn't like water.
theo von
He likes things other than Diet Coke.
joe rogan
I'm sure, but he doesn't drink water.
theo von
No, he's great, man.
joe rogan
I'm sure he drinks alcohol, too.
theo von
Yeah, don't you want to stay in this hollowed-out moose carcass out here in Bend, Oregon?
Do you?
joe rogan
Don't you want to stay in our treehouse?
unidentified
Who built this?
joe rogan
Where do I shit?
unidentified
Dude, Airbnbs have gotten so crazy.
joe rogan
Don't people rent out, like, tents and shit?
theo von
Yeah, it's like...
joe rogan
They'll supply you the tent and everything like that?
theo von
It's just, like, regular shit, and people are like, yeah, we'll go stay there, you know?
joe rogan
Not a bad move if you don't want to set up a tent.
Like, I like camping, but I'm too lazy to set up a tent.
theo von
I'll just show up at your house.
joe rogan
You know, you get them rods and shit, you got pieces together, and fucking, it's all like...
theo von
And you look sad in front of your wife, too.
You're like...
joe rogan
And you're tying it down.
Dink, dink, dink.
unidentified
Around.
joe rogan
Dink, dink, dink.
And then you're realizing you're just sleeping in a little cloth house.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Out in the woods.
theo von
Hey, buddy.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's an Airbnb tent.
theo von
That's nice, dude.
That's probably in Austin.
joe rogan
You can fuck in this tent, bro.
theo von
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, let's go.
theo von
You ever did a lot of fucking outdoors, or what was your life like?
joe rogan
Outdoor fucking's the way to go.
I ain't scared of mosquitoes.
I'm an outdoor fucker.
Whenever possible.
theo von
Did you ever do any when you were younger, Joe?
joe rogan
Yeah, he stuck away in the woods.
Me and this one girl, we were fooling around in the woods.
We never got to the actual sex part.
We got close.
We got ate alive by mosquitoes.
We tried to get naked outside.
And so, like, literally, our whole body was covered in mosquito bites.
It was horrific.
theo von
Were we all near a stream or was it more landlocked area?
joe rogan
It was near a river.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was near the Charles River.
theo von
My guy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Kids would just go into the woods, you know?
We'd always find kids drinking in the woods.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
Like, we lived in an area.
I lived in Newton, Massachusetts when I was in high school.
And Newton is a great town.
Like, a really cool area.
And where I lived, which was called Upper Falls, there was all these, like, woods and trees and shit.
And the river was right across the street from my house.
It was always these wild kids playing Billy Squire on a boombox and smoking cigarettes.
It was like The Outsiders.
It was really interesting.
And then one kid would get a car, like, oh shit, Bobby's got a car.
theo von
Oh, it was the best, dude.
joe rogan
Bobby's driving us around.
theo von
Rockford Fosskates in the trunk, just coming down the street.
joe rogan
Dude, to this day, one of my favorite cars, I have a 1970 Chevelle.
You own it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
theo von
Oh, bring it up.
joe rogan
I would like to see it.
But when I was a kid, before I had a car, my friend picked me up in his buddy's car.
I didn't know the other dude.
I met him from school or something like that, but I didn't know him.
And he picked me up in this 1970 Chevelle.
It was black with white stripes, and it was perfect.
And I remember I saw it.
I was like, how does he own this?
How can you own this?
That's how I felt.
I was sitting in the backseat of the car.
I was like, this car is so crazy.
You could own this car?
And I remember he ran out of gas, but coasted right into the gas station and stopped the car in front.
It was like the coolest thing I'd ever seen in my life.
theo von
There's nothing better.
joe rogan
The guy owned that car somehow.
As a 16-year-old boy, I was looking at this car going, how?
unidentified
How?
joe rogan
How did you do this?
How did you do this?
theo von
Let's see it.
joe rogan
No.
That's a different car, Jamie.
That's my 1970 Barracuda.
theo von
That's a beautiful...
joe rogan
I don't think the 70 Chevelle is on anywhere.
But just Google black 70 Chevelle SS white stripes.
theo von
Dude, there's nothing like...
joe rogan
That's it.
theo von
There's nothing like running out of gas and coasting to the fucking pump.
joe rogan
Mine looks almost exactly like that.
But that's exactly like this kid's looked when he picked me up and I got a ride in his car.
I was like, that's a 69. That's another amazing car.
But that one, the upper one in the middle, that's my actual car.
That's my car.
theo von
Ooh, wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Dude, I love that thing.
That's my favorite, I think, out of all of them.
I love it so much.
It just, because it brings me back to that moment when I was a 16-year-old kid, and this guy had this car.
I was like, how do you have this car?
How is this even possible that you have this car?
theo von
Yeah.
Oh, that was crazy.
Dude, if an older kid picked you up when you were a kid and he had a car, it was like, getting into somebody who had a car's car when you couldn't even have a car was the craziest feeling ever.
Yeah, you were like, what?
joe rogan
The things that we completely take for granted.
Like, your buddy picks you up and gives you a ride, like, hey, what's up?
What's up?
How's it going on?
It's normal.
For you now, like, oh, I'm just sitting in the backseat of my friend's car.
But back then, it was like, whoa.
theo von
Whoa.
Yeah, hey, play something cool on the radio.
Everything meant something.
joe rogan
I remember my friend Mike was taking flying lessons when I was in high school.
And I went up in an airplane with him when I was 14. We were both 14. And he was taking flight lessons when I was...
unidentified
I was like, what the fuck?
joe rogan
I'm letting this 14-year-old kid fly me around with him in a plane and an instructor.
Yeah, but back then, like, you would just- You just do shit.
You'd be so thrilled just to get out of your fucking house.
You'd hop in your buddy's backseat.
You're like, where are we going?
unidentified
Yeah.
I don't know, man.
joe rogan
We're going to go to Bobby's house.
unidentified
Yeah, it's fucking right.
joe rogan
All right, you listen to songs on the radio.
You couldn't believe you were in a car.
theo von
Yeah, and it mattered, like, if your hand was out the window, the window was down, if the window was up, how you were operating, if the seatbelt was on, if your arms were over the seat.
unidentified
You want to look cool.
theo von
Yes, you want to look cool.
joe rogan
You got one hand on the steering wheel, one hand out the window.
unidentified
Yeah.
theo von
And you thought everybody you drove past looked at you.
joe rogan
What's up, kids?
How you doing?
theo von
What's up, kid?
Just looking for some pussy.
joe rogan
I remember there was this one dude.
theo von
Those were the days, man.
joe rogan
When I was in high school, there was this one dude who was like, I think he was a couple of years older than us, and he graduated, but he was dating a girl that still went to the high school, and he had an IROC-Z Camaro.
theo von
Dude, with the T-tops or no?
unidentified
Yeah.
theo von
Come on, bro.
joe rogan
She's got to have the T-Tops.
And this dude pulled in front of the high school and everybody couldn't believe it.
He was like the coolest guy alive.
Look at him in his IROC Z picking up the girl that none of us can date.
unidentified
We salute you!
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
God, I fucking remember that shit, dude.
I remember my brother one time fucking- I got more of this story.
Sorry, go on.
joe rogan
That dude who had that iRock ran over a guy accidentally and dragged them through the city for miles.
Just tried to like get the body out from under his car a couple times, but couldn't do it, but just kept driving.
So driving around this IROG-Z with a person stuck under the car, driving for miles.
theo von
I hate that kind of thing.
Have you ever had like a bag stuck under your car or whatever?
joe rogan
Yes, that's different.
unidentified
I'm joking.
joe rogan
I feel like if you drive over someone, maybe pull over.
Hey, maybe pull over.
theo von
But I don't know, pulling over.
Dude, what do you do at that point?
joe rogan
There's like guys that you hear about from high school.
It's like you feel like you're in a Stephen King book.
Like Stand By Me or something like that, you know?
theo von
Oh, totally.
Everything felt like kind of had the Stephen King vibes back then, you know?
joe rogan
Well, people just disappeared back then, and there was no phones, and there was no internet, and you barely remembered people if you didn't see them for a month.
Like, you didn't even have a picture.
I have, like, five pictures of my friends from high school, you know?
And mostly because my friend Jimmy sends them to me.
But it's like, you don't remember.
You don't remember what anybody looked like.
You don't remember anything.
But now...
theo von
Too much.
joe rogan
Now you know everything.
But back then, it's like you would hear about this, like, one of the guys you went to high school with, he got in trouble, and like, oh no, now he's in jail.
Whoa.
theo von
Todd's in jail.
joe rogan
Yeah, whoa.
I remember I met this one dude who just got out of jail.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was friends with my friend.
The first guy I ever met that was in jail.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
He had just the weirdest vibe.
I had a buddy of mine who actually was a training partner of mine who was one guy.
He was like this one way and then he went to jail on a drug charge and he came out like three years later and he was a totally different person.
theo von
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
He was super jacked.
I don't know if he was doing steroids or what, but he was like really jacked and fucking aggressive and super dangerous.
And he was telling me these stories about jail and about all the fights that he had gotten into in jail and he got in almost like a fight to the death with a mob stick in this guy.
He was telling me these horrific fights, and it had just changed him, man.
I mean, I had never experienced something like that before, where I knew a guy before he went to prison, and then I knew him after prison, and he was just a completely different person, and fucking very dangerous to spar with.
Like, very dangerous.
Like, he would try to kill you.
We would have wars.
Like, they weren't really sparring matches.
They were fights.
theo von
Yeah, some people got dangerous, dude.
Especially if they got on the drugs or got on the gear, you know?
joe rogan
This guy, I think, was both.
I think he was on gear and I think he was doing coke.
Because I know he was selling coke.
I know he was getting coke for girls and stuff like that.
He wound up dying.
But here's where it gets really crazy.
While I knew this guy, like while he was training at the same gym as me, he got arrested and questioned in this murder where this guy who was an informant, I think he was an informant, they found him where he had been repeatedly injected with cocaine to keep him alive while they were breaking his bones.
So from him blacking out from the pain, they were injecting him with cocaine to keep him awake and conscious while they were breaking his bones with a hammer.
I think they cut his hands and his head off too.
And he got implicated or at least questioned about that.
I was like, yo.
theo von
Imagine even being in the other room while that's going on.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
Even trying to watch a show or whatever.
joe rogan
And you hear...
theo von
You're like, keep it down!
joe rogan
Can't you guys insulate your torture house?
It's fucking up the rest of the neighborhood.
Yeah, I mean, what the fuck, dude?
theo von
I would never be able to torture somebody, I don't think.
I'm trying to think of the things I could do to somebody.
joe rogan
You might be able to do it if someone did something to your loved ones.
I think you'd be surprised what a mother would do if she caught some person doing something to one of her children.
theo von
And a father, too, huh?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
But even mothers who you wouldn't think of as being violent.
theo von
And do you think that's a choice they make, or do you think it's something that's just inside of them?
joe rogan
It's inside of you, and there's a choice too, but it's inside of you.
We have instincts to protect our kids, and you can get crazy violent.
Normal, regular people can get crazy violent to protect their children.
theo von
And it also seems like there's a lot of cases now where people are deceasing their own children.
joe rogan
Killing their own children?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's always been that, man.
There's always been evil people.
theo von
But it's just crazy, you know?
joe rogan
Sometimes evil people have children.
Yeah, man.
There's people that poison their kids.
There's evil people out there.
In every stretch of the world, you're going to get a certain percentage of our population that just doesn't come out right.
theo von
And that's normal.
It's like everything.
There's always a percentage that's just not right, yeah?
joe rogan
Well, whatever the struggle that the human race is involved in, if you wanted to break it down, just philosophically, it's essentially a struggle between good and evil.
Always.
It's always a struggle between good and evil.
And you're always going to have a certain amount of evil that you have to overcome.
And I think that amount of evil that you overcome should be small, but I think it enforces this idea to do good.
And that good conquers evil if everybody works together cooperatively.
But you need something.
If you don't have resistance, it feels like people, the way we're designed to constantly try to innovate and make better things and improve upon society, improve upon our own lives, we're always like trying for progress, right?
I think that's all sort of tied in to competition.
And competition needs a foe.
You need an antagonist and a protagonist.
You need resistance.
And I think the unfortunate thing is that there is evil in the world.
The fortunate thing is that evil makes you appreciate love, and it motivates people to stop evil, and it motivates people to limit evil.
The calls for law and order in this country during the riots, remember?
When everybody was like, we need law and order.
We need law and order.
You can't have just people breaking into things and stealing everything in law and order.
That kind of stuff.
That's good versus evil.
It's evil to just smash windows and steal things in the name of some guy that you don't know who died unjustly.
That's crazy.
You're just using this as an opportunity to say, fuck everyone.
You can't have people just running around saying fuck everyone and lighting things on fire.
You can't have that.
You can't have that.
So when you encounter these different things, it makes you appreciate not having those things, so it motivates you.
One of the things that got people excited about Trump being in office is that he wanted to get away from all this defund the police shit.
He wanted to get the country back to law and order.
He wants us to increase manufacturing, increase all the things that make people feel good about the future.
theo von
Will give you purpose.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And they didn't feel that way about the message that they were hearing from the other side.
They felt like it was going to be more of the same shit.
And more of the same shit doesn't get anything done.
We still keep getting involved in these wars that we don't want to be involved in.
theo von
Yeah, shut it down.
Shut down everything it doesn't have to do with us, I feel like, for a while.
It's like, there's just a lot of stuff that we haven't even healed from in this country, you know?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
theo von
That's the biggest thing.
I think there's a lot of things that we haven't healed from that we should try to address as a group, you know?
And that could be like, you know, everything from Native American times, slavery times, opioid epidemic.
There's tons of things I feel like that it's like...
And I don't know how you do that.
I mean, I know time has a lot to do with it.
But it's like, I just don't know if sending our resources elsewhere is the most important thing right now.
When it's like, we could...
I think try at least to help.
joe rogan
Trump thinks he can fix these overseas conflicts.
I don't know if he can.
But the point is, like, something has to be done.
We can't just keep throwing money at war and ignoring ourselves.
That seems crazy.
And if you're saying we're not ignoring ourselves, well, we're not spending the money and the resources that we need to fix all the problems that we have.
theo von
Yeah, it's like even if you look at like, you know, recently I learned, sorry, recently I learned that like the number one cause of medical debt is insurance, is medical debt is the number one cause of bankruptcy in America, right?
joe rogan
Is it really?
theo von
Yeah.
That's crazy.
unidentified
That makes sense.
theo von
It's crazy that there's just such a laundering system that goes on.
It's money laundering.
joe rogan
Well...
theo von
Between hospitals and insurance companies.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's definitely...
I mean, if you talk to Brigham Bueller from Waste Well, he'll explain to you.
theo von
Yeah, I just went there the other day.
joe rogan
He's the man.
theo von
I went to Kuya and I went there, dude.
unidentified
Nice.
theo von
I've been trying to get well while I'm here.
joe rogan
Trying to get well.
theo von
It's been tough.
joe rogan
What were we just talking about?
theo von
Medical debt.
joe rogan
Yeah, he'll explain it real well.
It's kind of a fucked up system.
But it just makes sense that that would be the number one reason why people would go bankrupt because you're out of work because you've got a medical issue.
Then you have medical bills.
If you don't have insurance, you're really fucked.
If you don't have insurance, like, woof.
theo von
But it's just a scam.
Like, the prices for our drugs are so much more than other countries.
Just things that it's like our government doesn't want to make better deals because there's this middleman that's making a lot of money off of it, you know?
joe rogan
There's that.
I don't know.
There's definitely a lot of influence with a lot of money.
theo von
I don't know a lot.
joe rogan
And also companies that we need, you know?
Pfizer makes good stuff.
I mean, these companies make really beneficial drugs too.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's just the problem with all these fucking people is...
They just want to make more money constantly.
And if they can get you taking more pills than you need, they will.
That's how they sell.
They want to sell pills.
They can come up with a reason.
Are you anxious?
I am a little.
unidentified
Hey!
joe rogan
Here you go.
And next thing you know, you're dependent.
theo von
Yeah, it's like, do you have two legs?
Have you ever been on a bicycle?
Like, the things are just crazy, you know?
joe rogan
Do your feet itch?
theo von
Yeah.
You ever had oatmeal raisin cookies?
You're like, well, fucking, this is me, I think.
joe rogan
We can't let them advertise.
unidentified
That's true.
joe rogan
People are still going to buy the drugs, but the advertising thing is crazy because it affects the media, too.
It affects what people are allowed to investigate.
It affects what the...
The news is.
Because the news is not going to give you everything.
They're going to conveniently ignore things that would affect their partnerships.
theo von
Yeah, it's all advertising.
joe rogan
What did we say it was again?
The amount of billions of dollars they spend every year on advertising pharmaceutical drug companies?
theo von
Were you nervous about endorsing Trump or no?
joe rogan
I usually try to stay out of it.
Yeah, but I felt like I was getting urged to by Dana and There's quite a few people.
I didn't think it makes a difference.
I kind of already stated what I thought about the way things were going and That some radical change need to take place.
Yeah In my opinion, I just I'm not buying like, you know when we're talking about before with the way the country feels Like the way the country felt when Biden was in office was shaky Because regardless of what you thought about his policies, what he didn't place, it was real clear something was wrong with him.
And they were lying to us.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
So that alone makes the whole country feel uneasy, right?
Even if you think that the administration is moving certain policies and certain things are moving in the right direction, the economy is moving in the right general direction, even if you agree to those things, when you have a guy that's at the front that's obviously In some way compromised.
There's something going on.
Something going on that they don't want to admit.
Everybody knows it and he drifts off and he says things that don't make sense and something's wrong.
So everybody feels uncomfortable even if everything's going well, right?
Because for good or for bad, that person that's in that office kind of sets a tone for the country.
And the tone for the last four years was confusion.
So regardless of their policies, the tone that's being established whenever he talks or whenever she does interviews or she talks is a confusing talk.
There's word salad and then there's like these moments where it seems like she doesn't know how to wrap up a sentence, which can just be nerves.
It could just be nerves talking in front of large groups of people.
It doesn't mean she's not brilliant.
It really doesn't.
theo von
Yeah, she was new and kind of thrown into it.
joe rogan
But some people clam up when they have to do those things.
But then there's the argument that's the job though.
You have to be able to do that because you're going to have to be able to talk to Putin and presidents of these different countries and leaders throughout the world.
You've got to be able to handle pressure.
So that's kind of part of it too.
Part of it too is you've got to be able to handle pressure.
But the thing that people worry about Trump is that he's so antagonistic and that then that's the tone of the country.
And the tone of the country is not, like, the tone of the Obama administration I always felt was the best because he was measured, never attacked anybody, was very articulate and smooth.
theo von
Yeah, he was smooth.
joe rogan
There was not a lot of ums and ahs.
Like some people, Trump throws too many extra words in, but it's just his flavor.
His flavor is he rambles, he goes all over the place like a joke.
Look at this hair!
What is wrong with my hair?
He makes fun.
He's like doing stand-up up there.
Obama was the smoothest, and Clinton was pretty fucking smooth, too.
Maybe Clinton and Obama, those are the goats.
So when you get a person, for good or for bad, that's smooth and talks like a professional, like an actual president, it makes everybody like...
theo von
He's got this.
joe rogan
This guy's a real professional president.
Like, look at him.
With Trump, you're like, I hate Taylor Swift.
Like, no!
Don't do that!
Don't say that!
theo von
Yeah, you pressed the wrong button today, buddy.
joe rogan
He tweeted out that that lady that he allegedly slept with, he called her a horse face.
Why was the president?
theo von
It's so crazy to do!
It's fucking unreal.
joe rogan
But for a lot of super sensitive people and progressive people, that's why they want to believe that he's Hitler.
They look at these things and then they don't look at it as a flavor in the soup, like, look, it's all pepper!
No, it's not all pepper.
Pepper's a part of it.
Yeah, he probably shouldn't tweet, I hate Taylor Swift, but whatever.
What's important is, what is he going to do in terms of fix all these problems that everybody agrees are real problems?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
And can he do it?
And can he keep all these people in his staff, RFK Jr.?
I don't know.
I don't know if he can do it.
But if he can, at least we have hope.
If RFK really does the things that we think he wants to do and starts to kind of clean up some of the corruption in the system, it'd be exciting.
It'd be good for you, Bill.
If we stop putting ingredients in foods that are illegal in Canada because they're dangerous, how about we stop doing that here?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Seems like a logical thing.
It's not like Froot Loops in Canada sell that less.
It's probably equal sales.
theo von
And people would get unaddicted quick.
You're really just getting people addicted to things.
joe rogan
I don't even understand.
theo von
And how about we prosecute that fucking Sackler family that fucking killed hundreds of thousands of people in our country?
How about that?
joe rogan
Well, you saw the whole thing where they were trying to buy immunity.
theo von
Huh?
joe rogan
They were trying to buy immunity.
They were going to have a settlement where they would give X amount of billions of dollars, but then they were immune to prosecution.
theo von
But isn't that what they did, though?
joe rogan
But I think what happened was they put a pause on that after the Netflix documentary came out.
Wow.
We talked about it once, but I don't know where it's at now.
But that family, they made billions of dollars by getting people hooked on opioids.
theo von
This family is mass murderers.
Anybody with the last name, they should kick that gene pool out of our fucking country.
Those people are fucking murderers, dude.
I think a lot of people still haven't gotten over that shit.
joe rogan
And do you know that was the same family that was involved in Valium?
theo von
Yeah.
I do know that.
joe rogan
Mother's Little Helper?
That was Valium.
That's what ladies in the fucking 60s were taking Valium.
theo von
Heartless fucking lizards.
Get those motherfuckers out of here.
And that was one of the reasons why I was supportive of Vance.
I just believe he has a soft spot for that type of thing, and I hope that it'll get...
I don't know if he can do anything, because lobbies are so big now.
joe rogan
Wasn't someone in his family an addict?
theo von
Yeah, his mother suffered from addiction, you know?
joe rogan
Right, right.
theo von
But he's just seen it, you know?
joe rogan
Make sure that the Sackler family was involved in the Valium thing.
I don't want to have to edit that out.
As if I called them a piece of shit about one thing.
But hey, we weren't a piece of shit about that other thing.
I think they were, though.
theo von
I just...
Like, even thinking about it, bro, it makes me so angry.
joe rogan
Yeah, Arthur Sackler.
A member of the Sackler family was a major figure in the promotion of Valium through direct marketing to physicians in the 1960s.
Yeah, that is it.
So same family.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Evil.
Evil.
theo von
It's literally evil.
joe rogan
Just destroying lives.
theo von
It's the devil.
It's the devil.
joe rogan
It's a drug dealer.
It's one of the worst drug dealers because you're sneaking around with doctors.
You're sneaking around under this guise of authority.
theo von
Well, one of the problems is that, say if you work for a politician in DC, they can only pay you so much money by law to work with them and help put their bills together.
So, at a certain point, the lobbyists can pay more to those same people who've been writing bills For the congressmen and for the senators, so they then go to work as lobbyists.
That's one of the biggest problems.
So a lot of it is that we have a cap on certain salaries, right?
And that we also don't have a law that stops people once you work for one side that you can't work for the other.
joe rogan
Right, right.
That's the thing with the FDA and pharmaceutical drug companies, too.
theo von
I'm not saying that I don't know the answer.
I'm just saying that that's one of the reasons why that happened.
joe rogan
It's a conflict of interest.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
For sure.
And it's just nobody regulated it.
They allowed it to happen.
It should be, if you're working for the FDA, you should never be able to leave and go to a pharmaceutical drug company where you can then make incredible amounts of money.
That seems like a conflict of interest.
If you had conversations with these people and they'd say, listen, are you nice to us in a couple of years?
Golden parachute?
You want a yacht?
I think you need a yacht.
You're a millionaire, which is bizarre that you can do that.
It's just as bizarre as the whole insider trading in Congress.
You know that a bill's going to get passed.
You know this bill's going to affect the stock.
You gamble high on that stock.
The bill gets passed.
And you make a lot of money.
unidentified
That seems illegal.
joe rogan
That seems illegal.
theo von
Yes, cheating.
joe rogan
That seems crazy.
But there's a lot of those things, man.
And this system was set up by people.
And people are flawed.
theo von
Right.
That's a good point.
Yeah, it's like, no one's going to do anything perfectly.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Well, it's not just that.
Accountability and transparency in terms of, like, what's actually going on is way different now because our access to information is way different now.
Like, anybody can just sort of Google budgets and Google this and you find out that and you find out things about the Pentagon and that about this.
You don't have to look in the New York Times anymore.
You don't have to wait for the news to come on at 5. Now you get it whenever you want it.
And that's sort of changed everything with what you can get away with and not get away with.
So for the longest time, even though there's rules and the Constitution is set up and the Bill of Rights, There's been people that have had a lot of power for a long-ass time without a bunch of people looking at them.
And now more people are looking at them than ever before.
And then you get this guy like Trump comes in like, FBI, the crooked girl!
theo von
Whoa!
Bro, what are you doing?
unidentified
You're going to war with the CIA? He's like that drunk uncle, dude.
theo von
Bro, what about Barron Trump, dude?
There's no credit.
Whatever you think about this election, the whole thing to me is fascinating.
First of all, because Dana White made so much stuff happen.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Dana White made the Trump thing happen, for sure.
He was trying to get me to have Trump on in like 2017. Bro, you would hear rumors of that in the distance.
Bro, he would call me up.
He'd call me up.
Joe, listen.
The president wants to do your podcast.
I go, you mean Trump?
theo von
You gotta change the name of it.
joe rogan
What are you doing, man?
Why are you trying to get me in trouble?
Back then I was like, I don't want to be a part of this.
Too many people were angry, too many people pissed off.
I was like, I don't need to.
And I didn't pay attention to it enough.
I didn't pay attention to the way they were misrepresenting things that he had said enough.
My wake-up call was when they went after me, when CNN went after me.
I was like, yo, this is crazy.
You think I'm taking veterinary drugs, bitch?
What the fuck are you talking about?
Also, Why are you upset that I got better quick?
Like, what is this about?
Like, that I took veterinary drugs and got better quick?
theo von
And why in the article, hey, why wouldn't you herald it say, hey, this could be a possibility?
You know, it's like...
joe rogan
Not only that, it's just that there's no way they didn't know that it was for humans.
theo von
Those people are, it's all a sick group.
joe rogan
But when I saw that, and that was so minor in comparison to the way they've come up to Trump, because they come up to Trump with lawsuits and all kinds of crazy shit.
And I don't think he's a perfect person.
I think he's fun.
And I think he's a very competitive guy, which is why he likes playing golf so much, and it's why he wouldn't quit until he became the president again.
And he pulled it off.
And the best thing that I've heard from people on the left is, it's not the result that we wanted, but we hope the country can come together.
And I think we should all have that mentality.
This idea that we're all separate.
We're on Team USA. And I think we should just all publicly state, nobody gives a fuck where you're from, what you do.
You're on Team USA. We're all in this shit together.
That's it.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
That's it.
Let's forget about all this identity politics nonsense and all...
theo von
But is that going to happen, you think?
joe rogan
At least we can put that thought out there instead of everyone's racist, everyone's a Nazi.
That ain't helping nobody.
You're just pushing people further and further away.
The people that used to identify as left, they've been forced to these sort of center-right positions just to maintain normalcy.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
When you're giving puberty blockers to kids and you're opening up gender-affirming care clinics and treating kids, like, shut the fuck up.
You're not on the right side.
You think you're on the right side because you think you're being compassionate.
What you're doing is crazy to most people, and we don't want it.
And we think you might be, like, in a cult.
Like, it's a giant cult of leftists that think crazy things.
And they're allowing all sorts of bizarre things to happen in society, like the no cash bail thing, like things you think are good.
Structural racism is why there's so many people in prison.
Yeah, but you can't just let people out who shoot people.
You can't just have people robbing people and right back out on the street.
You can't have that.
You can't have that.
You'll have a full deterioration of society and no one will thrive, and you'll be under chaos.
You'll be like living in the favelas of Rio de Janeiro in just a decade.
You can't just keep this trend going.
You're gonna fall apart.
And it's these idealistic utopian people that want these things to happen, these people that believe that Marxism has never been effectively done But it can be done.
There's a version of all of these different communist philosophies that you can employ.
There's socialism that could work, right?
There's a version of it that can work and make it more equitable for everybody.
But the end of that is always one thing.
It's totalitarian control over what you say and do.
Because as soon as you want to redistribute funds, as soon as you want to tell people they can't have things anymore, then you're going to have to take it from them.
theo von
Yeah.
Well, I think, like, to me, everything kind of started to feel like this privatized communism, right?
Like, once the post office didn't work, I was like, the government's fucked, dude.
I was like, these bastards can't even get a package to fucking Toledo in two days, dude.
unidentified
The problem with the post office is that there's, like, UPS now.
theo von
Right, but you go in there, dude, it's like a Western, they're serving liquor at the counter.
unidentified
Are they really?
theo von
The post office?
It's gone downhill.
joe rogan
They have liquor?
theo von
I mean, they don't, but they...
You could probably score a gram up there at the counter.
Like, it's gone...
You know the doors, there's no hinges on...
Really?
Dude, it's the Wild West over there.
joe rogan
Which post office are you going to, bro?
theo von
Every post office, bro.
joe rogan
All of them are bad?
theo von
Bro, it's...
75% of the post offices are...
It's gotten...
But I just use that as an example of like a government...
It just like started to fall apart, right?
joe rogan
The last time I saw a post office was the last election.
That was the last time I went to a post office.
theo von
Well, yeah.
joe rogan
The last election when I mailed in my California ballot.
theo von
Yeah.
And how many...
I mailed in 20 million of them, apparently.
How many...
And at that time, was there a saloon happening in there?
joe rogan
What is that, like, at least cause for concern, that leap in numbers?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
What is it now, Jamie?
Do we know what the official numbers are now?
jamie vernon
The California one hasn't really...
I don't know why it hasn't updated more.
joe rogan
California's...
They're digging in their heels.
They don't want to make the election real.
theo von
I don't think either one of these parties is what the...
People say, like, Democrats...
They're not the same parties it was 15 years ago.
joe rogan
Most people are waking up to that.
That's why, if you look at the map of California...
theo von
There's something new going on.
joe rogan
Look at the map of California red and blue from 2016 and then look at it from, or rather 2020 and then 2024. There's a giant difference.
I mean a giant difference.
A giant difference in the amount of counties that went red.
It's just the big population centers are always going to be blue.
They're in the trance.
If you're in San Francisco and if you're in Los Angeles, you're in the trance.
Like 70% of those people are in the trance.
There's this leftist trance.
theo von
But they also believe things that mean something to them, so they're not like, because...
joe rogan
Right.
But socially, they're connected to all these ideas.
And socially, they're all hyper-liberal.
They're socially locked into this mindset.
It doesn't allow questioning narratives.
It doesn't allow questioning these ideas.
So the idea of questioning science was like, there's no way.
You're a science denier?
You could be a science denier.
You couldn't even say like, hey, are you sure that these companies who have been lying their entire careers, they've been fucking hit with these giant criminal penalties for lying.
We know they lie.
You sure they're telling you the truth about this drug when they haven't?
Injected giant swaths of the population with it before, but they're gonna do it now.
And they promise it's gonna work.
And then they're lying about the promises.
They're lying about whether it stops transmission.
They never even tested for that.
They're lying for whether or not it stops you from being infected.
They didn't test for that either.
theo von
Well, the same people that own this own the publication company.
It's just starting to be so obvious.
It's like I don't know.
joe rogan
But it's just money, man.
It's just money.
unidentified
Right.
theo von
And it's like, at what point does money mean something over the fact of somebody's peace of mind in health and wellness?
Like, that's the thing I don't understand.
joe rogan
Because they've used their money wisely to connect it to an ideology.
So this is what it is.
If you're a vaccine skeptic or a vaccine denier, even if it's not even really a vaccine, I mean, you're calling it a vaccine, but that's kind of a sneaky move because it doesn't really work like a regular vaccine does.
It works completely novel.
It's a completely new thing.
And if you can connect that with the people that's the logical, educated people that are reasonable and convince them that you can't look at it sideways.
You can never examine it.
You can never question it.
You never question whether or not it's even necessary.
You just have to go with it.
You can't question whether or not these other therapeutics that all these doctors have these anecdotal stories about people recovering from these antivirals and trying them.
You can't.
You got to reject that.
theo von
That was crazy.
joe rogan
Because you have that emergency use authorization thing.
theo von
That wasn't cool, man.
I never took it, and guess what?
Doing great.
Yeah, I'm suffering from depression.
Had a lot of issues and back pain today.
Crying online a lot, but still.
joe rogan
You're not hanging around with us.
Come hang out here, man.
Come move.
theo von
I know.
This year's been busy, man.
unidentified
Bro, if you lived in town, you'd be hanging out all the time.
theo von
You'd feel better.
joe rogan
You'd feel better.
You need a little community.
I know you, dude.
You get weird when you're by yourself too long, you get weird.
theo von
Oh, and I spent a lot of time by myself, you know?
joe rogan
You called a check to see if people still like you.
theo von
Did I do that?
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
Fuck.
That was most of my childhood.
Did I really do that?
joe rogan
One time you did.
theo von
Oh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I was like, what are you talking about?
What are you talking about?
I'm like, of course we're cool.
Like, what are you talking about?
What happened?
Nothing.
Just we ain't talked for a while.
theo von
Wow, did I really do that?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
theo von
I believe you 100%.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was a weird conversation.
theo von
Fuck, that's the story of my life, dude.
Calling people to make sure we're okay.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I know you, man.
So when you call me, I'm like, oh, 300 just needs some love.
You're out there in the woods by yourself.
You can't be alone, man.
theo von
Well, I think part of me, I've always just wanted to do my own thing.
But then you start to realize that there's...
That you, yeah, you're doing it by yourself.
And I think that goes for, like, whether it's work relationships or personal relationships, too.
You know, I think it's just, like, it's been the same psychology for me.
You know, like, I'm the, I'll think, I haven't even thought about this.
unidentified
this.
theo von
I'll think to myself, I want to be in a relationship, but I want to do it on my own.
unidentified
I just realized that.
joe rogan
That's amazing!
Well, you can marry yourself.
People do that.
theo von
Ugh, I would hate that, dude.
I'm always just chasing myself trying to jerk me off.
unidentified
I wouldn't get any sleep, dude.
That would be a real problem.
theo von
Yeah, man.
I do want to be around a group more.
This year's has been so...
joe rogan
Doing it by yourself, but you are doing it by yourself, right?
So you're doing your podcast by yourself, you're doing your stand-up by yourself.
The thing about a club is you're doing it by yourself while everybody else is also doing it by themselves.
theo von
Right, so you're around the same.
joe rogan
But you're hanging out.
You're having fun.
You're You're charging up your love batteries.
That's what it is.
theo von
Oh, the other night, even just being there and being able to laugh with Tony and like...
Ron White was right there.
You got Brian Simpson.
You got Kurt Metzger.
Everybody's just watching and dancing and figuring things out.
And then the fucking...
joe rogan
Every now and then, though, Kurt will corner you with them conspiracies, bro.
Did he ever get you?
Did he get you?
Bro, he drowned me.
He took me in a rabbit hole.
theo von
He was a listener, dude.
Into the ground.
joe rogan
There was an underwater river.
He held me under.
Bro, he took me to the fucking...
I go, Kurt, I don't even remember the original conspiracy theory that led us to this mind control study that I should have known about.
unidentified
Yeah.
theo von
He's like, Jesus, Kurt.
joe rogan
And he's this giant dude, so he's like looming over you with conspiracies in his fucking crazy eyebrows.
theo von
He's like, you don't know about the Vanna White conspiracy?
You don't know what's behind the E's?
You don't know what's behind the E's?
joe rogan
Here's the thing, dude.
Until he started working with Jimmy Dore, he's one of a kind.
theo von
Jimmy Dore's cool, huh?
I never got to see him for years, but I've always been kind of admirable about him.
joe rogan
He's a great dude.
He's a great dude.
But before he started working for Jimmy, he didn't really have a lot of conspiracies in his head.
You know?
It was like he got sort of exposed to all that working for Jimmy and doing that show, and he was like, oh my god, this whole fucking thing is rigged.
And then he'd just get rabbit hole after rabbit hole after rabbit hole after rabbit hole.
That dude will send you a text, and if you send him a text back, he will send you a chain of thoughts.
theo von
A doctrine.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Like a scroll.
I want to save them.
I want to save them.
Because that would be a cool, almost like a book to publish.
Texts with Kurt.
theo von
People would love that, too.
I love how passionate he is about stuff.
He's a smart dude, man.
Yeah, he's fun.
joe rogan
Very, very, very smart dude.
theo von
It was fun.
Yeah, that was just fun to see.
Who else was there?
Just like...
joe rogan
Brian Simpson, Asan Ahmad.
theo von
Asan was there.
joe rogan
Derek was there.
theo von
Derek's the best dude.
Because you tell any joke, if it's good or not, you can look at Derek.
And if he's laughing, it's good.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He's a great green room hang.
theo von
Yes.
He'll let you know on his face immediately.
To me, he's the be-all, end-all if something's funny.
joe rogan
He's a great person.
He's just a nice guy to be around.
theo von
He's so funny.
joe rogan
He is very funny.
The beautiful thing about the club is that there's so many nice people.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It just, like I said, it charges up your love batteries.
That's what we all need in this world.
We all need a little more love, a little more fun.
And I'm just hoping that Trump doesn't start attacking people.
That's what I'm hoping.
I'm hoping that he just, and I know people around him want him to do that.
Just concentrate on the positives.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Concentrate on the positives.
You got four years to do all sorts of things that could really benefit people, and then you will be remembered as that guy.
theo von
Well, I just want people to tell us what's really going on.
If they can't really do anything because the lobbyists are controlling everything, I wish somebody would just tell us that.
joe rogan
Well, I think if anybody's gonna, it's him, especially now, and especially with access to podcasts, right?
So if he decides to do your podcast two months after he's in office and you have questions like that, all of a sudden Trump could probably tell you.
Whatever it's not top secret, he could probably tell you.
He said he's going to release the JFK files.
We're going to find out a lot of things.
We're going to find a lot of things.
We're going to find out whether or not he's going to really keep RFK Jr. as a part of his organization or whether he's going to get pressure from pharmaceutical drug companies or whoever.
theo von
If he loses him, dude, that's not cool.
joe rogan
It's not cool.
So there's that.
And then there's, is he going to release the JFK files?
Because he was told that he shouldn't release them.
He said some of the people were still alive, which doesn't totally make sense, because that was 1963. So most likely, most of those people would be dead of old age.
But what does it mean, though, when someone says that?
That means that someone from the government could be implicated in the murder of the former president.
So if that's true, then would it be that they're worried that it would erode All confidence in the intelligence agencies?
Or are they worried that deeper investigations would take place?
And then people start saying, well, what happened with Martin Luther King?
You know, because there was one that Mike Baker, who's a former CIA guy, was saying that one, like he investigated for a show, he goes, that one doesn't make any sense.
That guy just started getting money.
He was a loser his whole life.
All of a sudden he had money.
MLK? No, the guy killed him.
theo von
Oh, um, who was it?
joe rogan
James Earl Reeves?
theo von
James Earl Ray, maybe?
joe rogan
James O. Ray?
James O. Ray.
So that guy, Mike Baker broke it down for us.
I don't remember exactly, but essentially what he's saying is that that guy was a drifter, who was a loser, you know, in and out of jail, that kind of a guy, and then all of a sudden he has access to money, he's staying in a nice place, and he has a gun.
theo von
Like, what's going on?
joe rogan
Like, he thinks that they set him up to kill Martin Luther King and that someone financed that, which is most likely.
That makes sense.
theo von
Well, back then, you could kind of kill somebody, and it was easier, you know?
Think about, like, the Wild West, right?
Like, if you killed somebody, they drew a picture of you.
joe rogan
Right.
Wanted.
All you have to do is shave your mustache.
theo von
Well, that's not him.
joe rogan
I'm looking for a guy with a mustache.
theo von
Where'd he go?
joe rogan
Clark can't put on glasses.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Where'd he go?
He killed my whole family.
jamie vernon
Where is he?
joe rogan
Oh, that guy's got glasses.
That can't be him.
theo von
Bro, you could literally go across the fucking behind a boulder, shave, come back to the town, get a job as a sheriff, and look for yourself for 20 years.
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Bro, imagine how gross it must have been to come to some, like, fucking weird town.
theo von
A brothel back then?
joe rogan
Weird brothel town with a saloon, and you just smell like shit.
You've been riding on the back of a horse for three days, and you just wander into this weird, fire-lit community.
unidentified
Ugh.
jamie vernon
Did you know James Earl Ray escaped prison before he supposedly killed?
I don't know how it worked out.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
jamie vernon
Yeah, you were saying he got a nose job.
joe rogan
Oh, boy.
jamie vernon
But he also got a driver's license, made it to Mexico.
theo von
Oh, he's in prison.
He used to work at the Kroger's.
Wow.
joe rogan
He attempted to establish himself as a pornographic film director.
Using mail order equipment.
theo von
Who hasn't, bro?
After a quarter of an eight ball, who hasn't?
joe rogan
You sound like a fucking psychopath.
jamie vernon
I got jilted.
joe rogan
He considered emigrating to Rhodesia, now Zimbabwe, where a predominantly white minority regime had unilaterally assumed independence from the United Kingdom in 1965. Wow.
jamie vernon
Nose job, and then went to Atlanta, and then very quickly decided to do what he did.
theo von
Yeah, it's tough, man.
The heat down there just fucking ruins everybody.
joe rogan
It does drive people nuts, especially if you've got that cat parasite.
Then they're all moving around in your head like, get him out of my brain!
theo von
Have you seen that show From on Amazon Prime?
joe rogan
I haven't.
theo von
Pretty good.
joe rogan
Yo, you know what I've been watching though on Netflix?
theo von
What is it?
joe rogan
Three Body Problem.
theo von
Have you seen that?
I haven't seen it.
I've been hearing people say it.
joe rogan
It's really good.
It's by the people who made Game of Thrones.
theo von
Oh, really?
joe rogan
It's really good, dude.
It's totally unique.
I don't want to tell you much about it.
theo von
You don't say anything.
joe rogan
It's science fiction, but it's totally unique.
You watch it and you're going to go, oh shit.
At first you're like, what is going on here?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But after a while you're like, oh shit.
I'm on episode four now.
Fuck, dude.
And there's not going to be season two for like three years.
theo von
Yeah, that's how they do some of that shit.
joe rogan
Well, like Stranger Things.
Those motherfuckers are making a movie every week.
You know?
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
They're making a one hour movie every week.
Which is like so much better than a movie.
You know, Game of Thrones is better than any movie that's ever existed.
theo von
100%.
joe rogan
It's so good!
And it's just one episode leads into the next one and to the next one.
Oh shit, I can't believe she did that.
Oh fuck, he's dead now.
Oh shit.
theo von
Off with his head.
joe rogan
Fucking they killed the king in the very first episode.
theo von
Unreal.
unidentified
Spoiler alert.
theo von
And they handicapped that kid out the gate, remember?
unidentified
Yes!
joe rogan
Right out the gate!
theo von
Fuck.
Usually it's the second season before you get a handicapped kid and something.
That's what blew my mind.
joe rogan
Handicapped because that dude was fucking his sister and you didn't want anybody to know.
theo von
That's crazy.
But back then there weren't any rules, were there?
joe rogan
I think you're never supposed to be fucking your sister.
I think that's like back to caveman times.
theo von
Right, I'm sure there's something in most people that feels like, hey...
joe rogan
That's not right.
theo von
Let's shut it down, let's go outside instead.
joe rogan
Well, that's like, people always thought about that with rural communities, you know?
theo von
Well, people say this a lot.
I mean, I'm from, obviously, Louisiana, and people say, you know, they're always like, hey, you know...
joe rogan
You ever fucked your sister?
Yeah, yeah.
theo von
And the thing, what happened was, people didn't live close to each other.
So, if you...
You're not going to travel...
You're only going to travel so far to...
joe rogan
Are you advocating for fucking sisters?
theo von
Fuck no, I'm not, dude!
joe rogan
What are you saying?
It seems like that's what you're doing.
theo von
No, I'm saying this is what happened back then.
People aren't going to get a train ticket to come, you know?
People are only going to have sex within a certain distance of their...
unidentified
Right.
Good call.
theo von
Right.
That's why it happened.
unidentified
Right.
theo von
You know, it's like...
joe rogan
There's no one there.
theo von
Right, there's nobody there.
joe rogan
So they had to fuck their sister.
theo von
They didn't have to, but at a certain point they got lost and ended up back right by the house.
unidentified
You know, like, something's gotta happen here.
theo von
I'm not saying it's cool.
I'm just trying to tell you how it works out, like, you know...
joe rogan
Well, that's how it certainly works out in the mammal kingdom.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, if you have puppies, the boy puppy will fuck his sister.
Yeah.
100%.
He doesn't even think twice.
He'll try to fuck you.
They'll try to fuck your leg.
They don't even know what they're doing.
theo von
Oh, yeah, dude.
I stayed at my buddy Brad's house one night, right?
We're dead asleep, right?
And they let a bunch of puppies loose, dude?
Those things are fucking gangbanging you.
I didn't have a chance, dude.
unidentified
I didn't have a fucking ounce of milk on me and those things are fucking sucking me off, bro.
Isn't it funny?
joe rogan
We don't think that about people.
theo von
Right.
It's crazy how it goes from animals to people, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're animals.
We're animals.
theo von
Do you think there's a certain purpose for us, like there's a magical purpose for us, or do you think we are just an anomaly?
joe rogan
Well, I think even if there's not, this is a magical time.
It's an interesting time, especially for people like us.
They get to talk to so many fascinating people.
I mean, we have a really cool job, not just as comics, but also as doing podcasts.
I think you've got a great education doing that.
You seem more introspective.
You're more curious about things than I remember before.
I think it did the same thing to me.
theo von
Really?
Yeah, I almost feel like I know more.
I wish I didn't know more stuff.
Sometimes I miss knowing nothing.
joe rogan
Right.
theo von
Does that make any sense to you?
joe rogan
For sure.
My brain is filled with shit that I don't need.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
You're a library, dude.
I'm more like a red box where you rent that one movie.
joe rogan
You haven't been doing it as long.
I've been doing it a lot longer.
That's all it is.
It's the amount I do too.
It's numbers.
theo von
But you are a library.
You know, there's certain types of people that can make it through certain things.
joe rogan
You wouldn't want to educate a child on this library.
This is not a library you'd allow everybody to have access to.
theo von
No, it's 16 and older, I think.
joe rogan
There's a lot of stuff in my head.
I was like, God, I wish I didn't know that about people.
theo von
Oh, that's interesting.
You don't think about the side effects of somebody being able to have a memory that records so much.
joe rogan
Well, it's just, you always concentrate on the worst possible aspects of people.
And so if you know so many acts and things that people have done that have been horrific, you're always, like, the back of your head always has, but maybe that could happen.
You know?
Like, so it always sits there.
It always sits there.
If you're a completely...
You grow up Amish or some shit.
You're like completely removed from society.
You never see any violence.
You never see anything.
And then all of a sudden you have to go to a bar, like downtown Detroit on a Saturday night.
You see fistfights and people throwing glasses at each other.
You'd be like, what the fuck is this?
I'm not ready for this.
I'm not prepared for this.
You know?
theo von
Right, but if you know that exists, then it's always a possibility.
joe rogan
So if you see it too much, even if you don't see it in real life, the worst thing is seeing it in real life.
That's what we were talking earlier about cops.
Cops are seeing it every day in real life.
So you just get, like, super accustomed to seeing people dead.
Super accustomed to seeing people get injured.
theo von
Yeah, it's crazy how therapists make like $150 an hour, right?
unidentified
Right.
theo von
But cops, who are basically therapists that also have to shoot at people, make $40 an hour.
joe rogan
I know.
theo von
Like, that's crazy, dude, when you think about that.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
And nobody wants that job.
It is crazy.
theo von
But if you paid them like heroes, I feel like more fucking gladiators would show up and do it.
And they would have a real force out there.
And you would fall asleep at night knowing that severe warriors were taking care of your fucking community.
Do you think that's possible or not?
joe rogan
Some people don't want to know that we need that.
They don't want to kind of believe that you need masculine, dangerous men to protect you.
But that's always been the case.
And if you're just looking realistically about violence and crime in the world, it exists.
There's no utopian spot.
So if violence and crime exists, there's only one way you can shield the nonviolent people who aren't committing crimes from the criminals, and that's dangerous men.
You need dangerous armed men who are trained and are capable.
That's what you need.
It doesn't mean they should be running everything.
It means you need 100% protection from dangerous people.
Then, here's the number one thing that nobody addresses.
You've got to figure out why are so many people coming out of these same communities year after year after year after year being dangerous where no one's doing shit about it.
No one's trying to fix it.
No one's trying to enhance it.
No one's trying to, like...
Do you know how much income we're losing, because these people don't grow up to become productive members of society, how much damage it's causing if they go on to commit violent crimes, whatever, drug dealing, anything that can come out of that.
And do you know how much of a burden it is on the taxpayer to sort of put them through the criminal system and how much of that could be completely removed if that person grows up and becomes a productive member of society and instead starts contributing to society and it's a success story.
That's not impossible to do, but there's been no effort, no engineering, large-scale national effort to completely eliminate these horrible spots in this country.
And not make everything the same and perfect.
That's not possible.
But there's a level of poverty that exists in this country that's...
You should never be that poor if you're a part of a community.
If you're a part of a community that takes care of everybody, there's no reason why you have $175 billion to ship to Ukraine, but you don't have any money to make sure that no one exists below a certain level of poverty in this future.
theo von
countries.
I don't know why we send money to Israel, Ukraine.
I just don't understand why we, there's just people suffering here.
You know, there's people that have been taken advantage of in our own country.
And it's like, you don't want to be selfish, but if you don't take care, if you don't know your inventory, then your business is going to fail.
Right.
That's a, that is, that is a law.
If you don't take stock of your own inventory your business will fail and we don't have stock of our own inventory And we don't have a healthy inventory, you know, it's like it's just like I don't understand how it's so I don't the weird thing is I start thinking is that a radical idea?
joe rogan
It didn't used to be a radical idea, but it became a radical idea when People started floating about the idea that capitalism is evil.
All capitalism is bad and There's all these people that have these utopian notions of how we should run our society.
theo von
Well, maybe it could be true at a certain point.
joe rogan
I think it's going to probably have to be true at a certain point because of AI. I think we're going to get to some weird point where money seems like it's just ones and zeros.
It's just numbers.
And it's a bottleneck.
The bottleneck of information, right?
Because you can't have access to all the information if you have access to all the money.
Then where's the money go?
That's crazy.
But if we get to this point where we evolve past the state we're at now where you can't trust people to not steal your money, where you can't trust people to not lie, where you can't trust people to not manipulate things and try for their own benefit.
If human beings can eventually get to a place like that, then I could see a time in our evolved future where we don't need money.
Or when everybody has the same amount, where instead of having this desire to constantly acquire goods and constantly acquire status and prestige in the community, have the bigger house, the bigger car, if that completely goes away and human beings really are one hive mind, I could see where we could equally share resources.
But that's like...
Either a cyborg or a million years in the future.
I'm talking about like where we get past all of our primitive cave people instincts and DNA that I think fucks with everything and is the cause of almost all of our problems.
theo von
Is who we are innately?
joe rogan
It's just our programming is fucked.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because our programming is the same.
Well, you know, there's some variations that have occurred over time, but reasonably similar, I should say, to people that lived 10,000 years ago.
So if you took a person from 10,000 years ago and you put them in a t-shirt like this and sat them in the movie theater, you wouldn't be able to tell.
It would just look like us.
theo von
Nuh-uh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
Really, you think?
100%.
Yeah.
I mean, they might have been smaller because they didn't get as much food, but it looked like a small person.
Yeah.
theo von
We wouldn't know.
joe rogan
You wouldn't know.
They would look just like us.
So if you just put them in a suit and tie and sat them down, that guy would be like, what the fuck?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that's basically us.
So that person, if you've got a person who lives 10,000 years ago, the amount of barbaric incidents that guy's probably seen by the time he becomes an adult, the amount of people he's probably seen slaughtered with swords and spears and seen people lit on fire, That's all inside of us still.
All that programming of like everybody's the enemy and you got to protect the fields and protect the...
That is all a part of our programming.
And as technology increases and as we become more interconnected, that's going to be one of the biggest problems that we face is abandoning these bizarre primate characteristics that we still hold on to.
Because they're in our DNA. And they're not managed well.
Like, people need to manage them to suppress them.
And some people...
theo von
Yeah, we try to pretend that don't exist.
unidentified
Yeah.
theo von
We try to pretend that don't exist.
Sorry if I stepped on you.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
theo von
Have I been interrupting you a lot, man?
I'm sorry, dude.
joe rogan
No, you're awesome, man.
What are you doing?
Stop doing that.
Don't apologize.
theo von
I think it's a piece of it.
My kidneys are starting to think.
joe rogan
Well, let's wrap it up.
We've been doing this for three hours.
theo von
Have we really?
joe rogan
At least.
Yeah, it's almost five.
It's almost five.
theo von
Oh, man.
unidentified
Oh, man.
joe rogan
I love you.
I know I'm always trying to get you to move here, but it's because I think you'd be happier here.
And selfishly, I want you to be around.
theo von
Well, thank you, dude.
I appreciate it.
No, I want to be around.
This year's just been, it's just been, it's been like every time I'm not doing a podcast, I have to like, I'm traveling for work or it's like, it's just been a busy time.
joe rogan
Hey, if we open up another mothership, do you think Nashville would be a good spot?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is there enough?
Would we be fucking with zanies or do you think we would help it?
theo von
No, I think it would be good because I think there's enough people there where you could do it.
joe rogan
Do you have enough comics in Nashville?
How many comics are in Nashville?
theo von
There's some.
joe rogan
You gotta have like a base, you know, like that want to perform all the time.
theo von
Right.
I'll do some recon for you.
joe rogan
We're thinking.
We're thinking to go in other spots.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
Well, that would be cool, man, because at least I know the area.
joe rogan
We thought about going to the most woke place in Brooklyn, setting up shop.
theo von
I bet it would thrive, though.
joe rogan
Well, we can find out.
theo von
There's only one way to do it, dude.
Wow, man.
I can't believe it's so crazy that I was there to watch the at least like the elect just like what a night and was like It was really fun time to watch the election at the club in the green room.
joe rogan
We're all hopping back and forth off stage like who's winning?
It was fun, man.
theo von
It was so crazy, dude.
Drinking Diet Cokes and just fucking having a good time.
joe rogan
Theo Vaughn, I love you to death.
You're one of my favorite people.
I appreciate you very much.
theo von
I love you, too, man.
Thanks for being inspiring, and thanks for...
Yeah, sometimes I would do a podcast episode, and you would just say...
You would reach out and say, hey, man, I liked that episode.
And it just meant a lot.
I just want to let you know that.
joe rogan
Well, it does.
You do a great job, man.
I really love your show.
I think you got some great interviews, and you got a nice way of being yourself when you're talking to anybody.
And that's what I think people really like.
They like to see conversations where people are just being themselves.
And the fact that you could do that with Trump...
That's fun.
It's inspiring.
So it's nice to see, man.
I really, really love it.
theo von
Well, thanks.
Thanks, man.
Yeah, I think it means a lot to people when somebody they admire says something nice to them.
It's just nature.
joe rogan
It is, yeah.
We like it.
theo von
But I appreciate it, man.
Thanks for having me, dude.
joe rogan
My pleasure.
unidentified
All right.
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