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Joe Rogan Experience #2197 - Mike Baker
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joe rogan
All right, we're up, Mr. Baker.
How are you, sir?
mike baker
Really, that's it?
We're just jumping right in.
unidentified
Yeah, fuck it.
mike baker
Oh my god, I just sat down.
joe rogan
Well, there's so many things to talk about.
mike baker
Is there?
Anything happen?
joe rogan
A few things happen until I saw you.
One guy got shot.
mike baker
Some guy.
joe rogan
And the guy who shot him, his body vanished.
mike baker
Yeah.
joe rogan
No police.
mike baker
Now, did he get shot?
Because I've seen a lot of people talk about this, like, no, he didn't get shot.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
mike baker
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Do you think that he cut his ear like a pro wrestler?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, it's all fake?
The guy behind him who got murdered?
That wasn't real?
mike baker
I saw it.
Again, you would think that would be a clue.
But I've seen things where they say, no, he didn't have any blood on him.
And then he ducked down behind the podium just long enough.
And I'm thinking, are you fucking psycho?
joe rogan
They are psycho.
unidentified
But then, to be fair, then...
mike baker
Well, no, that can't be fair.
How can you be fair about that?
joe rogan
There's no fair.
mike baker
There's no fair.
joe rogan
We heard gunshots.
We saw a guy get shot who was shooting at him.
The guy behind him got murdered.
mike baker
Yeah.
joe rogan
A couple other people got injured.
mike baker
Life-changing injuries.
unidentified
Yes.
mike baker
Yeah, serious injuries.
joe rogan
Yes, serious injuries.
I mean, it 100% happened.
To say it didn't happen is insane.
And then you had Joy Reid on TV saying, well, Biden got over COVID. This is basically the same thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
People are losing their fucking minds.
And they're afraid.
Everyone's afraid to be objective.
Because if you're objective, somehow or another, you're helping the other side.
mike baker
Yeah.
Oh, no.
If you even try to walk a line that's somewhere near the middle of anything nowadays.
joe rogan
That's me.
mike baker
Yeah.
Well, there you go then.
You get your ass kicked.
But I was telling Emily, I was telling my wife the other day that I consider that a really good thing because like, oh my God, this is like two minutes into it and I've already mentioned the podcast, The President's Daily Brief.
Look, I'm getting much better at this.
joe rogan
Good plug.
mike baker
So on The President's Daily Brief, we try to just walk kind of down the middle.
We just tell you the news.
Here's the top things that are happening.
What I find is, I get angry messages from both sides.
unidentified
Sure.
mike baker
Because I'm not staking out a position.
joe rogan
Right.
mike baker
Right?
I'm just saying, here's what's happening.
And, you know, for the most part, we try to avoid context or atmosphere, for the most part.
But you're just pissing everybody off.
joe rogan
People want to get mad, first of all.
That's the thing.
Yeah.
Like, Andrew Huberman was talking about that today.
The things that, when they study, like, what excites people, what people gravitate towards, It's 100% more potent to get angry about things.
mike baker
Yeah, I think you're right.
There must be some sort of chemical release in being outraged that makes people feel good.
joe rogan
I think it's in our wiring, in our DNA, because we always had to look out for threats.
So you find things that you perceive are threats or things that are going to be a problem, and you get angry about them, and you do it on social media instead of in the jungle.
mike baker
Yeah.
I think...
With the Trump thing, though, I was surprised at how, because it was about a day and a half, maybe, maybe it was 36 hours, of, oh, fuck, how could this happen?
Look what we created, this environment.
We have to be more civil with each other.
And that was a big push from the Democrats, right?
You remember Biden and Harris talking about We've got to be more civil.
We've got to dial it back and turn down the temperature.
And that lasted, for that side, that lasted almost no time at all.
joe rogan
Less than two days.
mike baker
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they were back calling him a piece of shit and a liar.
mike baker
Yeah, and a threat to democracy, and he's got to be stopped.
joe rogan
Unbelievable.
mike baker
And, you know, now to be fair, neither side really stuck to the idea.
I would argue, if Trump...
If Trump had just said, you know what, from a strategic point of view, maybe it's not me, maybe it's not what I want to do, but from a strategic point of view, if after that attempt had happened and he had just walked that civil line and said, you know, I've had a reflective moment, and if he had kept the high road, think about the disparity there, because the Democrats, first of all, they would have gone crazy because they wouldn't have known what to do, but they also wouldn't have been able to help themselves.
So they would have turned into, you know, they would have thrown the hand grenades again, as usual.
And then you would have had Trump over here being the reasonable one and being the reflective and civil one.
joe rogan
That would have been a good strategy.
mike baker
Yeah, but it didn't happen.
joe rogan
No, it's not in his nature.
mike baker
No, no.
joe rogan
That's the scorpion and the frog.
mike baker
I forgot about that story.
That's right.
The scorpion needs a ride across the pond.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
It's the same thing.
I mean, that guy loves to talk shit.
He's calling Tim Walz Tampon Tim now.
unidentified
Yeah.
I think I'm so good at it!
joe rogan
It's such a good nickname!
He's so good at it!
He's so good at that shit.
Oh my god.
mike baker
T.O. P.O.N. Tim.
Look at what we're getting.
We're getting Harris and we're getting Walsh.
joe rogan
Unbelievable.
What do you think about Walsh's descriptions of his military career?
Because there's some issues there that people have.
I don't know if he flat out ever said that he served in Afghanistan, but he certainly didn't dissuade people from saying that he was...
When they were saying he didn't correct them, there was things...
mike baker
He didn't, and he didn't.
And you can look at interviews, and there's no pushback.
There's no like, excuse me, I didn't go to Iraq.
unidentified
Exactly.
mike baker
And I retired, you know, as my unit was deploying.
And so...
joe rogan
Well, you retired a couple months before as unit deployed, right?
mike baker
A couple months before, yes.
joe rogan
What is the whole story behind it?
mike baker
But those guys know that they're going, right?
unidentified
Right.
mike baker
It's not like they suddenly get a paper, you know, on one day.
There's a buildup to that, and they're aware of it.
And so, you know, even his personnel were saying, look, we all knew we were going.
He knew he was going.
Now, okay, fine.
He made the decision, right?
But I think...
With his, what do you want to call it, padding of his resume, for political purposes, obviously, when he was running for Congress.
joe rogan
There's more than one thing, too, right?
He said he was a head coach.
mike baker
Yeah, he was a head coach.
joe rogan
He was not a head coach.
He was an assistant coach, which is an honorable thing.
There's nothing wrong with being an assistant coach.
unidentified
Absolutely, yeah.
mike baker
Absolutely.
joe rogan
And he also inflated his actual rank, right?
He was slated to achieve a certain rank.
mike baker
Right.
joe rogan
And how did it go?
He had to commit to the fact that he wasn't going to retire in order to achieve his rank?
Is that what it was?
mike baker
He didn't finish, essentially, the program, the coursework, for a command sergeant major.
joe rogan
Can you explain how that works?
mike baker
Well, I mean, he had the rank, right?
He was awarded...
I think he had gone to...
Where did he go?
I think he went to Italy on an assignment.
Look, he's in the National Guard, right?
So, first of all, there was sort of this, I've served for 24 years.
He's not really saying that.
His supporters and the people on the Democrat side say, well, he served for 24 years.
Yes, he did, okay?
But it's the National Guard, and that doesn't mean, I'm not disrespecting at all anyone who serves in the National Guard.
It's a very honorable thing to do.
I'm just saying they're kind of conflating just like he did with his rank or these other things the idea that somehow he was You know over there for times 24 years in the military You know he's working as a school teachers you point as working as a coach look the guy could be a great you know who knows He could be a great guy.
I'm just saying that There were statistics that said upwards of 70 plus percent of people have padded their CVs So what he's done isn't unusual But it's very much, you know highlighted now.
joe rogan
It's It's 70%?
mike baker
Yeah, yeah.
Look, I've got a service line in the company, Portman Square Group.
I am a marketing machine.
Good job.
Thank you.
But we have a due diligence group that does nothing but, right?
Background investigations, due diligence.
And so they spend a lot of time looking at people's CVs or resumes.
It's a shocking number of people, and sometimes it's not really nefarious, it's just, okay, maybe I misspoke, or maybe I did put something in and I over-egged the pudding a little bit, but then like 10 or 15 years down the road, you've kind of ridden on that for all that time, and we've seen that happen where people suddenly get called out, right?
Yes.
You know, I don't read too much into the fact that he padded his resume.
I think it is just very disrespectful that he didn't push back on the idea that he was overseas deployed in combat or that he claimed that he retired in a position.
I mean, I think they gave him a Master Sergeant title or rank when he retired, which is just one step below.
joe rogan
Which is still honorable.
mike baker
Very honorable.
joe rogan
And it's nothing to be shameful of.
Like, saying that, just stating the actual rank...
It doesn't change anybody's opinion of him at all.
So it's a lie that doesn't really elevate you.
mike baker
It doesn't, and when you get called out on it, it just kind of makes you look like a dipshit.
And that's something that he's got to deal with now.
joe rogan
But he did once say, he was talking about assault rifles.
Assault, air quotes, assault rifles, for the gun nuts out there.
unidentified
I get it.
joe rogan
I'm on your side.
unidentified
But he said...
joe rogan
Me too.
I mean, you can kind of assault somebody with a BB gun, right?
Yeah.
But when he was talking about them, he said, weapons of war that I carried...
I don't know the exact quote, but it was essentially alluding to the fact...
mike baker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike baker
And again, I don't understand it.
Is it necessary?
No.
Did he feel that it helped in his early days running for a political office?
Obviously, right?
joe rogan
Well, he's also seen Joe Biden get away with it, right?
Joe Biden has gotten away with lying about his record, lying about his accomplishments, from the beginning back when he was running for Senate.
I'm sure you've seen that old video where he confronts the guy and tells him he's got a higher IQ than him and how he graduated at the top of his class.
All lies.
Yeah.
mike baker
No, absolutely.
And you're right.
He's gotten away with it.
Just like, you know, apparently the plagiarism and other issues and certainly now the mental decline.
He's still president, I guess.
I guess.
joe rogan
He's kind of not.
He's kind of quit.
mike baker
Who is in charge?
That's the question I think a lot of people were wondering.
joe rogan
Well, Kamala's on tour, so she can't be doing it.
She's out there doing concerts.
mike baker
Oh, she's going to do an interview tomorrow night.
joe rogan
With Tim, though.
mike baker
With Tim.
With Tim, because she's a strong woman, so she wants a strong man by her side.
joe rogan
Yeah, she does not want to be alone out there.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Which is wild.
You have to be alone.
Who the fuck has ever done an interview?
The only interview since they have been nominated by their party, right?
Since they've been chosen.
Who has ever...
Not done an interview for this long.
mike baker
And then they...
I get why.
Because they get away with it.
Look, they've got a very compliant and incurious media for the most part.
And they're just letting it go.
Compliant.
joe rogan
It's more than compliant.
mike baker
I know.
I'm trying to be...
joe rogan
Yeah, you're trying to be nice.
mike baker
Yeah, I'm trying to be nice.
joe rogan
Complicit is a better word.
mike baker
And so...
And it's on CNN. And it's taped.
It's not even live.
And it's the two of them.
And...
There is no way in hell.
Maybe I'm going to be wrong.
I hope I'm wrong.
I hope it's a hard-hitting interview where they ask...
I tell you what, actually, what I would love to have them ask first is, okay, Vice President.
I guess you have to say Madam Vice President.
Okay.
How long were you aware of President Biden's mental decline?
Because right up until the last minute, you were talking about how sharp his attack he was, and how vigorous he was, and how he was better than men half his age.
What I don't understand is how people aren't marching on Washington with pitchforks and torches over the fact that this small group, her and who else, Anita Dunn, the Chief of Staff over at the White House, Clayne, a variety of, that cabal's not that big, of people who had daily contact with President Biden.
And they just lied to the American public for a significantly long time.
They just deceived the American public.
And nobody seems to give a shit, right?
joe rogan
Well, it's also, why was anyone believing it?
That's what was crazy.
And we were getting shit on left and right during the campaign, where I was like, when I compared him, I said, Biden being president is like having a flashlight with a bad battery and going for a long walk in the woods.
unidentified
There's no fucking way it's not going to make it.
joe rogan
And people were saying, no, don't you know he stutters?
And they were saying, well, there's no evidence of him stuttering when he was younger.
This is crazy.
Yeah.
There's a mental decline there.
There's nothing wrong with mental decline.
We're all going to experience it someday, kids.
But to say that it's not happening just because you don't want the other side to win is bananas.
mike baker
It's really crazy.
And that's what it was.
Anytime you called it out, because we all saw it, like you said, we're all heading in that direction.
It's probably the one thing we all have in common.
and grandparents.
Yes.
And so we knew it intuitively, right?
Every time you saw him and he made a slip up or he faltered or he just kind of started staring off into space or he moved the way that he was moving, like you've seen your grandpa move, we knew it.
But if you dared bring it up, you were just, I mean, you were just kicked in the ass, right?
And suddenly, somehow you were ageist, and you were, you know, hyper-partisan, and you were just, and you were MAGA. The epitome of gaslighting.
joe rogan
Gaslighting to the extreme.
unidentified
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Because it was so obvious, and in your face, it's like, no, it's not raining out.
Like, what?
It's fucking pouring.
Like, what are you talking about?
Full gaslighting right in front of your face.
mike baker
Yeah.
And so, I would love that to be the first, very first question.
Can you explain to us...
At what point in time you actually became aware that he was in significant mental decline, right?
And again, I feel bad for the guy.
I feel bad for anybody who's in that position.
But he's the fucking commander-in-chief, right?
He's the leader of the free world.
So I think we have a right to expect more from that situation.
But I don't think there's going to be none of those questions.
joe rogan
Well, I think his last fuck you was saying that he wants Harris to take his place.
That was his last fuck you, because from what I understand, they wanted to have a primary, and they wanted to pick their own person, and they didn't want to have Harris.
mike baker
Yeah, she was nobody's idea of the best, most competent, most qualified candidate.
Up until they orchestrated this, whatever you want to call it, anointment or coronation or...
joe rogan
Coup.
unidentified
Coup.
mike baker
Yeah, call it a coup.
joe rogan
It seems like a coup.
unidentified
Yeah.
mike baker
So until that point, she wasn't the preferred, but now she's fucking Beyonce and Joan of Arc and...
joe rogan
Well, she had that one speech where she really fucking nailed it.
When she was talking about Trump, and this is after Trump even got shot, when she didn't even address the fact that we have to be more tolerant.
mike baker
You mean that teleprompter speech?
joe rogan
That teleprompter speech, she fucking nailed it.
She nailed it.
But when you get her off teleprompter, she's fucked.
She's fucked.
mike baker
Well, I don't know this, and this is sheer speculation on my part, but I would be suspicious.
unidentified
I love sheer speculation.
mike baker
I know.
As opposed to all the other times that I'm not speculating.
joe rogan
I don't need facts.
mike baker
Yeah.
But there's a chance, maybe, that they will know the questions for tomorrow night's interview ahead of time.
joe rogan
Oh, come on.
mike baker
I know.
joe rogan
Do you think CNN would do that?
mike baker
You're right.
I take it back because I'm sure it will be a series of hard-hitting questions, and they won't let her get away with anything, and it's all going to work out fine.
Look, all she's got to do is beat the Biden debate bar, and people are going to say, yeah, she nailed it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, they're supposed to have a debate, right, on ABC. September 10th.
And isn't the woman who moderates it a part of the Biden-Harris administration?
mike baker
Oh my god, I didn't know that.
joe rogan
Who is the woman, well, she has some sort of a connection to the Biden-Harris administration, the woman who is, find that out, Jamie, the woman who's moderating the ABC debate.
mike baker
Is it Joe Biden?
joe rogan
You did great, Joe!
unidentified
You answered all the questions!
joe rogan
And what did he do?
unidentified
He lied!
joe rogan
Poor bastard.
That poor bastard.
If that was my dad, I'd be so fucking angry at her.
I'd be like, what are you doing to dad?
mike baker
They're just dragging him around, right?
unidentified
Unbelievable.
mike baker
Up until that moment, just drag him around.
joe rogan
Juicing him up with Adderall and having him talk or whatever they're giving him.
I want to try what he's getting.
mike baker
Good.
It's got to be good.
joe rogan
It's got to be tremendous.
Imagine if you have a day when you're kind of tired and sleeping and your brain's not working that good.
mike baker
Yeah, well I have several of those.
joe rogan
Which by the way, I should say this, if you are having one of those days, there's a study that came out about creatine.
Creatine, which most people think of as like a muscle supplement, which it is, but creatine actually helps performance when you're sleep deprived, significantly.
mike baker
That's interesting.
unidentified
Yeah.
mike baker
Okay.
Well, that's good because I'm constantly sleep deprived.
joe rogan
It's also great for cognitive function.
mike baker
Yeah.
joe rogan
I started taking it on a regular basis.
mike baker
My boys take it for their workouts.
joe rogan
It's great for that, too.
mike baker
Yeah.
I didn't know that about that, but I will definitely jump on it because I find myself...
Like this month, August, I've been traveling like a son of a bitch, and I'm probably getting three and a half, four hours of sleep at night.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's not good.
mike baker
It's not good.
joe rogan
It's not good as we get older, too.
When I was young, I could bounce back from four hours sleep.
Not that bad.
But at 57, it's rough.
mike baker
Yeah, well, try my age.
joe rogan
Yeah, creatine.
Get on some creatine.
mike baker
Yeah, me and Joe Biden.
But it is remarkable that...
When you look at what's happened over the past month and a half, I mean, nobody...
It doesn't seem...
Because, again, the media is playing along with this.
Nobody's asking questions.
Who's running the free world?
Who's making the decisions at the White House?
It doesn't seem to be a major concern, right?
Which is bizarre.
Which is bizarre, but the Democrats...
I get the Democrats, right?
The Democrats are like, well, but Trump...
It's always their answer.
But Trump.
And, you know, if I point out that maybe Harris, you know, is somewhat of a midwit, you know, but Trump.
And so what is your argument back?
I mean, what do you say?
Well, look, maybe you should focus on just having the best qualified candidate rather than saying, well, we just gotta beat Trump.
unidentified
Right.
mike baker
And I don't know.
It's not going to happen.
But the fact that there's just nobody asking questions about things like that.
When did you know that President Biden was in decline?
Who was actually making the decisions?
joe rogan
Controversy surrounds ABC News anchor Lindsay Davis as debate moderator due to alleged bias against Trump.
But doesn't she have some sort of a connection to the Biden or Harris administration?
jamie vernon
I didn't see anything about that.
joe rogan
No?
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Who is Lindsay Davis?
Find out who she is.
mike baker
It could be speculation on your part.
joe rogan
No, I read something, some connection that someone had made.
I should have saved it.
jamie vernon
I tried looking for that directly.
unidentified
Huh.
I didn't see anything.
mike baker
Yeah.
So that's the 10th.
But again, I would say that, hey, look, it's much like this, you know, this upcoming interview, right?
She just got to get through it without a major screw up.
And I think they're going to say, look, she did it.
She's had her interview.
It's all good.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike baker
I just don't think that, you know, people are that curious anymore.
And certainly on the Democrat side, the one thing they're always very good at is just doing what they're told and following a message, sticking to the message and worrying about winning.
joe rogan
Yeah, I saw Bill Maher and Quentin Tarantino talking about it, whether or not she should do interviews.
And Quentin Tarantino's like, it's really important that we just win.
That we just win.
Like, are we the Dolphins?
Are we going against the Raiders?
Or is this the United fucking States of America?
Like, what?
What the hell are you talking about?
mike baker
Yeah, you'd like to think that people are really concerned about the quality of their leaders, but I think it is more about winning, again, at least on the Democrat side.
Sometimes I question whether the Republicans understand that.
joe rogan
I think it's on both sides.
I really do, because there were some people that posted a deceptive video, deceptively edited video, that made it look like Tim, you know, he has a son that has some disabilities, and it looked like he was yanking his son In a mean way, but he was really just trying to get his son to not hit his head on the teleprompter.
So the teleprompter is this clear thing, the kids are walking towards it, and he just gives him a pull this way, like, let's go this way.
And they just took that clip, like, oh, I bet he's mean.
Look, he's mean to his boy.
It's creepy.
mike baker
The level of disinformation and misinformation right now leading up to November is astounding.
joe rogan
Astounding.
mike baker
And it's becoming more and more difficult because, you know, Generative AI and and just a willingness to kind of disappear down a rabbit hole and believe whatever you you want to believe right nobody's questioning all this shit so but it is whether it's coming from Outside influence and you know,
we know the Iranians are very active right now the obviously the Russians and Chinese are always interested in screwing us up so but Yeah, people if they don't do it themselves It's not as if this idea that the government is going to tell you what's good and what's not to read is amazing, right?
They just arrested the Telegram CEO over in Europe.
joe rogan
Yeah, isn't that crazy?
mike baker
Yeah.
joe rogan
I was going to ask you about that, too.
So it seems like they wanted access to...
To Telegram's messages because there were certain people that were posting things that had been a part of...
There was a terrorist attack in Russia that they tried to get him to give up information about, but then they gave up on that and they left him alone.
But now in France they've arrested him.
mike baker
Yeah, they picked him up three days ago, I think four days ago.
joe rogan
And unfortunately, he's got this social media girlfriend who posts pictures everywhere she goes, so they can fucking find him everywhere.
Telegram CEO released from custody in Paris.
mike baker
Aha!
Great!
They extended his detention for 48 hours, and then they had to make a decision, I think it was by today, as to what to do with him.
joe rogan
Judge Hunt until Wednesday morning to either charge him or release him, so they released him.
I think the outrage of the world.
Okay, so this is said, dual citizen of France and Russia was taken into custody Saturday.
He was detained on an arrest warrant over accusations.
The platform was used for money laundering, drug trafficking, and other offenses.
Guess what?
You could say that about Gmail.
mike baker
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Should we arrest Google?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because Gmail is used for money laundering and drug sales?
Because it certainly is.
mike baker
Yeah, and I think, well, look, honestly, I think there's some people in the States that if they thought they could get away with it, they would.
That's what they would be pushing for.
But with this, with Pavel Durov, I think they were really upset with a couple of things.
One is that Telegram has a history of not cooperating with criminal investigations, right?
Not releasing information or complying with requests from whomever it may be, right?
Europol, Interpol, anyone.
And so they basically figured out a way to say, look, because of your inability or your failure to moderate the content on your platform, on Telegram, We're going to criminally charge you, perhaps.
I suspect that's what they're going to do with this, but I think you're right.
I think the outrage said, okay, well, let's let him go for now.
But he's not...
Look, he got sideways with Putin.
So he's a dual citizen of...
joe rogan
Russia and France.
mike baker
No, France and United Arab Emirates.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
mike baker
Yeah.
And although the Russians...
The Putin regime was very funny when he got arrested.
They were outraged over the fact that they viewed this as a limit on free speech.
joe rogan
That's cute.
mike baker
That's the Putin regime, yeah.
Oh my god, because you know how much they value civil liberties and shit.
joe rogan
Especially dissenting opinions.
mike baker
Yeah, oh, they love.
There is nothing better.
joe rogan
It's all about free expression over there in Russia.
mike baker
Oh god, Russia.
joe rogan
So let me ask you this before we get off topic about the assassination.
Is it normal for there to be an assassination attempt and then no press conference?
mike baker
It is Because we don't have assassination attempts every week, it's kind of hard to say that is it normal to do this.
joe rogan
But if there's a major world of that, generally, don't they have press conferences?
mike baker
Yes, and it was, look, the whole thing, the protocols that weren't followed, the process, the fact that it was a cock-up of monumental proportions leading up to Thomas Crooks taking those shots, And then the afterwards, right?
Then the way that they handled it was another series of, still to this day, this series of mistakes that there is no justification for.
You can't, look, doing security at an event like the Butler Rally back in July where Trump was shot.
Right now there's people out there going, I don't think he was shot.
I'm pretty sure he wasn't.
So I think it's not rocket science, right?
It's very labor intensive and detail oriented, but you're not building a spaceship, right?
You're going through the same process that you go through every time you have one of these events, right?
And so you have a political rally like that.
And it's not a national security event.
So it's not the DNC. It's not the RNC. It's not the Super Bowl.
It's not the Olympics.
Those are national security events.
You have a year plus to plan and prepare.
Get all your resources together and figure out your game plan, your site surveys, all the rest of it.
You still have time with these political events.
Don't have a year, but you've got sufficient time.
And they do it over and over again.
And it's not tough.
So you do a site survey and you say, okay, he's going to show up at Butler.
Let's get out there.
And the Secret Service has primacy.
They work with local state resources if they need to heavy up the security and they don't have the available resources.
But they have the primacy.
So they go out and the site survey, that whole process, the risk-threat assessment in the survey, is where you identify your timelines and your resources and your deployment of resources and all the various things, your command and control center, your communications protocols, all those things.
But it's over and over and over again.
There's a methodology to it.
And the Secret Service, you know, they do this all the time.
So it does lead you to wonder how many more events in the past have they been, you know, not buttoned up and they just got lucky because there wasn't a shooter.
But there's no way to excuse what happened because it was such a breakdown of events.
And then afterwards, in the hot washing, in the briefings that they did provide, then going up on Capitol Hill and Kimberly Cheadle, the now departed director, It was a classic lesson in how not to do crisis communications and she should have been the director who's now gone she should have been out on the on the rally grounds that afternoon that evening sorry and with a team and with the agent in charge and it should have been
very clear to the press all around that they were out there doing the investigation assessing what had happened And people would be responsible.
But none of that happened.
It was just a fucking goat rope.
joe rogan
It's because it's Trump.
If it was anybody else.
mike baker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, if that had happened, if there's an assassination attempt about Biden.
unidentified
Yeah.
mike baker
Oh.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It would have been crazy.
If Biden got winged in the ear the same way, and they took him out, and the whole deal, and, you know, they shoot the guy, and there's an investigation, it would have been...
On the news constantly, constantly, for weeks and weeks, it would have been lead story every night.
More information in the assassination attempt on President Biden.
mike baker
Day 22. Yeah, it would have been the same thing.
joe rogan
Right-wing, far-right activist, registered Republican, Thomas Crooks.
mike baker
Yes.
joe rogan
Because apparently he was a registered Republican.
mike baker
Yeah, he had donated, I think, $15 to a Democratic or a progressive group, and he had registered as a Republican, and he was all over the map.
He had done research on Biden.
He'd done research on Trump.
They're trying to posit a motivation, because they haven't been clear about that yet.
They're still trying to figure out a motivation, that he was just looking for an opportunity to carry out his vision.
joe rogan
We don't even know.
Does he have a history of being mentally ill?
mike baker
There was some talk.
They're starting to develop a narrative that says, you know, for the past couple of years, people were concerned about his mental health.
There were a couple of people, I think, that had an acquaintance with him that were saying, well, we just assumed he was bipolar or depressive.
He had researched depressive disorders.
That was on some of his electronic gear.
And so, yeah, I mean, that could be it.
But again, the bottom line is the whole process, command and control, resource deployment, communications process, all of it just completely fucked up on that day.
And usually when you have a problem of that magnitude...
With security, it's never just one thing.
It's a series of things that compound.
And, you know, but then, you know, the acting director, Roe, you know, he goes up there and, you know, it was a few weeks back now, but when he first showed up to say, I'm the acting director and I'm going to go up to Capitol Hill and answer your questions, which he didn't really do, you know, they were talking about, well, it's almost impossible to get all the elements talking on the same frequency, right?
The local police are talking on their frequency.
Secret Service talking on their frequency, counter-sniper teams, maybe they're operating on a different channel.
You can't combine those.
Well, of course you can.
I'm just telling you for a fact that there are capabilities out there and available to allow you to get everybody talking on the same sheet of music at an event like that.
joe rogan
Of course.
To say otherwise is nonsense.
Yeah.
mike baker
Yeah, and it's also, yeah, it divides logic, but it also...
And I think that was the thing about this is why people were so shocked is because...
You didn't have to be a security expert to look at this thing in real time.
joe rogan
Well, how about the sloped roof thing?
mike baker
Oh, God.
joe rogan
We couldn't get agents up there because the roof was sloped, and it could be dangerous.
And it's sloped like five degrees.
mike baker
Yeah, that was the nail in her coffin when she came out with that bullshit.
joe rogan
The whole thing was insane because you had snipers on another roof.
So what are you talking about?
unidentified
Yeah.
mike baker
You had, what did they have?
Two counter-sniper teams.
And But again, when you go out to a place like that, and you walk the grounds, and you stand and you survey, right?
And you fly drones around, and you get a real sense of what you're talking about.
In the early stages of a survey or an assessment like that, there are just certain things you look for.
joe rogan
Right.
mike baker
Okay, there's the stage.
There's a tall building over there.
joe rogan
How about the water tower?
mike baker
How about the water tower?
Maybe we cover that down, too.
And I think the transparency that we have on this right now is pretty much thanks to the local law enforcement.
I mean, that's where we've gotten most of our information, right?
They've shared body cam images, they've shared radio conversations, and I think, in part, they're doing it because they're so pissed off, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, well, their conversations were about how they saw this guy in advance, and they alerted people.
He was walking around with a fucking rangefinder.
That's it!
mike baker
Is that a clue?
joe rogan
You walk around with a rangefinder, they should just arrest you.
mike baker
It's shocking.
And then he was there a couple hours ahead of time flying a drone.
joe rogan
Insane.
mike baker
Yeah.
But I think that the Secret Service, their go-to in the immediate aftermath was to point fingers at the local law enforcement.
And so I think the local law enforcement was like, fuck you.
joe rogan
Fuck you.
mike baker
Yeah.
And so they've been transparent where Secret Service hasn't, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
mike baker
Government, I tell you this, government hates to hold a press conference when they don't have all the facts, right?
They're just not comfortable with it.
And particularly something like this, the idea that the acting director kept saying about, well, we're not going to get out ahead of the investigation.
Well, you know what?
Sometimes there's times when you need to.
joe rogan
Right.
mike baker
And the fact that they fail to understand the optic of this right in the immediate aftermath and say, man, we've got to be so fucking proactive here.
We've got to be more transparent than we've ever been before.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
There's a lot of other things that disturb me.
Here's one.
Is it normal for CNN to livestream a Trump press event or a Trump campaign event?
mike baker
They normally, I mean, if they show it, they normally jump out of it after the first 10 seconds or so.
joe rogan
Always lying again.
We've counted five lies.
But I do have to say this, and I say this as a credit to CNN. It seems like they have made a concerted effort to be more balanced.
And I think this is in the aftermath of firing Don Lemon and Brian Stelter and all those people over there that people were frustrated with.
I think they have made a concerted effort.
There was a gentleman who was talking about that everyone's blaming Trump for things, but that the Democrats have been in control of the White House for 12 of the last 16 years.
And when he said that, it was like, whoa.
mike baker
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was a big moment, and no one had an answer to that.
They were like, yeah, but they have the undermining that Trump has done to our democracy and the threats and what he said.
He's going to be a dictator.
He said he's going to be a dictator.
mike baker
On day one.
joe rogan
Holy shit, man.
He's joking around about closing the border.
Like, he's not going to listen to anybody.
He's just going to close the border.
mike baker
At 12 of the last 16 years, And you know what?
Kamala Harris, if she wins, she's going to fix the problems.
joe rogan
She's in right now.
I know.
Which is so crazy.
mike baker
Another part of the whole equation that I'm sure they won't get asked tomorrow night.
When you talk about fixing the problems and making America, what have you been doing?
joe rogan
Maybe they will, and maybe they've already prepared for that.
Maybe they have some sort of fucking spinny spin they're going to put on that to make it seem like it makes sense.
mike baker
Somebody, as I guarantee you, put everybody on the polygraph over there and see, like, somebody could just be a researcher or a producer or whatever.
They're talking because you know the DNC and the campaign team have been, ever since they agreed, okay, let's do this interview, somebody's been beating on somebody to say, okay, well, where are you going to go with this?
What questions are you going to ask?
And somebody's slipping that under the table.
joe rogan
There's no way they're not.
They're all Democrats.
There's no...
I mean, if you're working for CNN, you're a Democrat, most likely.
There's very few Republicans over there.
mike baker
Yeah, there might be some independents.
joe rogan
There might be.
unidentified
Libertarians.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a few.
mike baker
There's a handful.
joe rogan
Even though they're liberal-leaning, I think they're...
Jake Tapper, I think, is very fair.
I think he's probably the most objective out of all of them, even though I'm sure he has his own opinions and biases.
mike baker
Yeah.
joe rogan
But they're not acting like journalists.
They act like...
Advocates for the Democratic Party, and that's where it gets weird, because you're supposed to be the news.
mike baker
Yeah, well, I think what happened, a couple of things is, with CNN moving possibly this idea that they're moving a little bit towards the center, and I will say, you see more negative comments from the left, right, about CNN. I think they're pissed off sometimes with CNN because they're not as hardcore.
Because they're trying to move a little bit more.
I think that's a revenue issue for them, because I don't think they've made money since they've been around.
But I think they're realizing that maybe there's more profit margin a little bit further towards the center than where they've been sitting.
joe rogan
Well, if they could convince people that they will actually be objective, people like me will listen.
And that's the thing.
I'm much more centered than I am anything.
mike baker
Well, remember, you used to tune in CNN when shit was hitting the fan, right?
Overseas.
Oh, yeah.
Because they had more field offices.
They had more bureaus all over the world.
And you'd turn on CNN to see what's going on.
We used to have it be on if you walked into a station overseas.
CNN was always on, right?
I mean, it still is for the most part.
joe rogan
Was it when Jeff Zucker got involved?
Is that when things changed?
unidentified
Uh...
mike baker
You know what?
I don't know.
I'm not qualified to answer that.
joe rogan
Because he put on some good stuff, too.
He was the head of NBC when I was over there.
mike baker
Okay.
joe rogan
When I was over there for NewsRadio and Fear Factor.
Maybe not NewsRadio.
No, not NewsRadio.
Fear Factor.
He was the head guy over there.
And when he went over there, he did a bunch of great things.
Like the Anthony Bourdain show.
They were doing those interesting shows.
W. Kamau Bell had a show on there.
They were doing some cool stuff that was not just the news.
And I was like, oh, I like it.
I like it.
But then when they became...
Don Lemon, at one point in time...
Do you remember when Don Lemon had that famous speech about what black people need to do?
Pull your pants up.
Get your shit together.
I was like, fuck yeah, Don Lemon.
And where's that guy?
Where'd that guy go?
That guy fucking vanished.
mike baker
There was no money in that.
No, no.
joe rogan
There is.
You just gotta go to Fox.
You can't hang out at CNN with those kind of fucking objective opinions.
mike baker
Yeah, it'll be...
So, I think...
Again, I think this interview that she's going to do, I get it.
I understand.
Why wouldn't you want to be in a comfortable spot?
I think it's very bizarre that she's doing a joint interview with Walt.
If you want to show that you're ready for the job and you could possibly be the first woman president of the United States, and then you say, okay, my first big interview, I'm going to sit here with this dude.
joe rogan
Could you imagine if Trump did all his interviews with Pence?
unidentified
What?
mike baker
Where is Pence?
He's hiding.
joe rogan
That dude's hiding.
mike baker
I don't even know where he is.
joe rogan
All those QAnon people, they don't like him.
mike baker
Oh, God, no.
No, that's true.
joe rogan
Oh, they think he's a traitor.
mike baker
Yeah.
joe rogan
They think he's responsible for Trump not being still in office.
mike baker
There's nobody in the middle anymore.
joe rogan
Oh my god, no one's in the middle, and if you're in the middle, you're an enemy.
You're the enemy.
Pick a fucking side!
mike baker
Pick a side!
joe rogan
You guys need to stop.
Cut this shit, man.
We need about five different parties that are all relevant.
mike baker
Goddamn right.
joe rogan
And right now we have two.
And one of them is way more funded.
Like way more funded.
Fucking way more funded.
mike baker
You see, they've raked in, the Democrats have raked in something like half a billion dollars.
joe rogan
Nuts.
mike baker
Yeah.
And they'll probably spend it all.
joe rogan
But have you seen the Project Veritas deep dive into that?
Where they go to people's houses and they ask them, did you donate $150,000 because he's registered donors?
And he's like, goodness, no!
I didn't donate any of that money.
So there's all these donations that at least Project Veritas is claiming, and these people are claiming, we're not theirs, and that they're throwing money into this pot, and they're attributing it to all these people that probably don't even know it's being attributed to them.
I think that's what they're alluding to.
mike baker
If the cost of this campaign is going to be north of a billion, you have to assume.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
mike baker
And you think about, yeah, if there was a way to take money out of it, if there was a way to enact term limits, and there was a way to have a meaningful third and fourth party completely change the landscape here, I would think.
And I think for the better.
I don't think there's any...
I mean, in my mind, I don't think I can be persuaded otherwise, but...
I just don't see that happening.
Who's gonna vote against their own best interests, right?
You look at the money that these politicians can make, and they can walk out the door, multi-millionaires, On salaries, that doesn't make any sense.
That's the other thing you need to get out of there is insider trading.
Yeah.
unidentified
Well, I think it's important that we all participate.
joe rogan
It's a free market.
mike baker
I gotta go.
I gotta go.
Oh, you know what?
My wife is so damn smart.
A hell of a lot smarter than I am.
joe rogan
She's very smart.
mike baker
She is very smart.
joe rogan
She's kind of spooky smart.
mike baker
I know, right?
joe rogan
You talk to her, you're like, yo.
mike baker
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
This lady's operating at a very high frequency.
mike baker
I know, which makes you wonder, why is she still with me?
joe rogan
That's what they like, a nice dumb guy.
mike baker
Like a dumb guy, right?
You know, I'm good at picking things up and putting them down.
joe rogan
That's all they need.
mike baker
I can fetch things.
joe rogan
They need you to open up mayonnaise jars.
mike baker
Look at this!
joe rogan
Hand Mike the pickles.
mike baker
Every now and then I walk over there and I just show her just so she knows what I'm around here for.
unidentified
That's right.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I can fucking open shit.
mike baker
Goddammit.
I will say this.
The other thing about this is all three of my boys.
I just got in from Florida this morning and I was dropping our middle boy back at IMG. He plays basketball down there.
He's constantly, and the older one, even the youngest one, they're constantly just hitting me.
They're beating on me, right?
Every time they walk by.
joe rogan
Boy stuff.
mike baker
Yeah, they can't walk by me without hitting me, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike baker
And I mean, now they're really putting some effort into it, right?
joe rogan
They've got testosterone now.
mike baker
Yeah, they've got testosterone, and they want a title shot, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
mike baker
And so they're all kind of getting to that point, and they're just like, I'll walk into the elevator yesterday with Sammy, and we get in there, and the door's closed, and he just goes, whales on me.
unidentified
I go, what the fuck?
mike baker
What the fuck are you doing?
joe rogan
I was talking about this with Huberman, that the difference between a boy of 12 years old and a boy of 17 is only five years.
mike baker
Yeah.
joe rogan
So you and I, in five years, basically probably be pretty close to the same, but hopefully we won't decline too much.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But from a boy at 12 years old, they can't hurt anybody.
At 17 years old, they can fuck up grown men.
mike baker
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it happens quick.
mike baker
It happens quick, and all of a sudden, yeah, it's like with the two oldest ones.
I look at them.
If I'm away, you know, I travel a fair amount, and I come back.
They got muscles.
They got muscles.
They're bigger.
They're taller.
I'm thinking, holy shit.
But it's like living in a house with Kato, remember?
Wait, wait.
joe rogan
We're really dating ourselves now.
mike baker
Yeah, exactly.
But he'd leap out of nowhere and just attack you.
And I'm thinking, what the fuck?
joe rogan
From the Pink Panther.
mike baker
God, yeah, exactly.
But, so, yeah, anyway, we dropped him off yesterday.
He's back there for his next year.
And I will say that, you know, but just talking about IMG, they told me a fact yesterday.
And I was just talking about it with the guys outside before we started.
Which astounds me.
They graduated 88 ballplayers last year, basketball players, from seniors and their post-grad program.
88 of them.
82 of them are now playing college ball.
joe rogan
Wow.
mike baker
That's astounding.
joe rogan
That's pretty astounding.
mike baker
It's amazing.
And that's just the one sport there.
They cover most of the sports.
joe rogan
That's pretty incredible.
mike baker
It's an amazing program.
And so anyway, but moving on.
joe rogan
I interrupted you.
You were about to say something smart that your wife said.
mike baker
Goddammit.
joe rogan
I was saying, we were talking about the Trump thing and the objective thing with the news and all that jazz.
mike baker
Fucking hell.
I'm having a Biden moment now.
What was I talking about?
Jamie, you remember what I was going to say?
No?
It'll come to me later on.
unidentified
Okay.
mike baker
Yeah, I don't even remember what I was about to say.
joe rogan
Well, we made a diversion.
Yeah, we did.
mike baker
Disappeared down a rabbit hole there.
joe rogan
We're essentially just talking about the problem with narratives.
That people, there's no one in the middle, and that everyone is, if you're not on one side, you're a traitor.
mike baker
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're an enemy.
mike baker
And you do, I don't know, there's no way...
I don't think there's any way to walk that dog back.
We had that moment after the assassination attempt, and like we talked about earlier, people were saying, yeah, we gotta be more civil.
joe rogan
It was like a mini 9-11.
Remember after 9-11?
Everybody was so nice to each other for weeks.
That one lasted a long time.
I remember coming to New York City, and we filmed Fear Factor after September 11th, and everybody was so nice.
And firemen were treated like fucking heroes.
Firemen got laid more than any other time.
I mean, everybody wanted to bang a fireman.
They wanted to help those guys out.
mike baker
Yeah, I grew a mustache and pretended I was a fireman for a while.
joe rogan
All the first responders, cops, EMT guys, they all got mad respect.
And everybody was a lot more peaceful and civil.
And in Los Angeles, it was palpable.
You had American flags on everyone's car.
It was kind of cool.
mike baker
And then you had the same with the military, right?
I mean, shortly after, and then we went into Tora Bora, and then that whole thing kicked off.
But there was a period of time, you're right.
And usually, not that you want something like that to happen.
I mean, look at the pandemic.
I mean, the pandemic brought people together for a while.
People were so nice to you.
joe rogan
In the beginning, I thought it was going to be like 9-11, where everyone's going to realize, hey, we're all together in this.
Let's help each other out.
Let's get through this.
mike baker
Yeah, that didn't last.
joe rogan
No.
Well, the thing that didn't last is...
In spite of all the evidence that it's not as bad as everybody's saying it is, everybody wanted to say it's killing everybody.
Did you see Kamala Harris' speech where she said 220 million Americans died?
And she didn't just say it once.
She said it more than once.
I've got it saved.
I could pull it up if Jamie wants to find it.
There's two different instances where she said, two different speeches, 220 million Americans died from COVID, which is just insane.
mike baker
We're now just a country of 110 million.
joe rogan
That's so crazy to say.
mike baker
And yet we still have a housing shortage.
joe rogan
You can misspeak and maybe say 220 million Americans were infected.
Fact check.
Kamala Harris said 220 million people in the U.S. died of COVID. Here's what she meant to say.
mike baker
Oh, she meant to say this.
joe rogan
Oh, Snopes.
Oh, Snopes.
Hold her hand.
mike baker
It was a slip of the tongue.
joe rogan
She meant, she was saying million instead of thousand.
Okay.
No.
No, that doesn't work anyway.
That doesn't work either, because even if you're saying 220,000, that's 220,000 died with COVID. You're not looking at it correctly.
If it was four-plus comorbidities for somewhere in the neighborhood of 75% or 80% of the people that died...
mike baker
Yeah.
But what we just saw there with that headline is...
It's very subtle, but it's important, right?
What she meant to say.
joe rogan
How the fuck do you know what she meant to say if she said it twice?
mike baker
But you see this constantly, right?
And again, it's very subtle.
It's not straight-up disinformation, but it's framing it.
It's shaping a narrative.
It's softening it.
And it's definitely taken aside.
But a lot of people would read that, and it would just go right past them.
But it would be back there somewhere, right?
joe rogan
Right.
mike baker
As, you know, if it was Trump, you know, Trump lied about the following.
joe rogan
Right.
mike baker
Okay, okay.
I mean, that's...
Look, it's...
joe rogan
First of all, you're gonna misspeak.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you're doing those kind of things, and you're working off a script, and you don't have a script, and you're just out there talking to people, you're gonna misspeak.
mike baker
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I say the wrong name all the time.
I'll say someone's name, and then Jamie will correct me.
Did you mean it?
I go, what did I say?
Like, I don't even realize it when I'm saying it that I'm saying the wrong word.
People misspeak.
mike baker
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a normal thing.
But...
That's a goofy one.
mike baker
And to repeat it, right?
But, look, and that's why, again, Everything that we've seen leading up to tomorrow night's interview needs to be factored into this, right?
I understand why the Democrats are so wrapped around the axle because they're so worried that Trump might win for whatever reason, right?
They just can't fathom that.
And so a lot of them are just willing to overlook it.
A lot of them, I think, understand that she's a halfwit, but I think maybe that's not fair.
But look, every time I talk about her, people will say, well, she's so well experienced.
Look at her.
She was an attorney general and a senator and a vice president.
And I'm thinking, have you never seen people who have failed upwards?
I've met a lot of people who have had a lot of experience.
And they're fucking dolts.
They're gormless.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Especially in Hollywood.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
You work on television.
How many fucking executives have you run across?
You're like, how the fuck did you get this job?
And even the people under them don't respect them, but yet they're in control.
mike baker
For the time being.
Then they're all living in fear, right?
They're all living in fear of losing that office and those snacks and the assistant.
And they will.
They eventually lose it.
They eventually do.
But they're so paralyzed by fear, nobody's buying shows anymore.
joe rogan
Right.
mike baker
And it's a remarkable industry right now.
That's not what we're talking about, but it is fascinating.
joe rogan
Well, it's been gutted by the internet.
mike baker
Yeah, it's completely gutted.
People, they lived in fear before, but now nobody wants to greenlight anything.
And if they do, they'll say, well, we'll buy six episodes.
unidentified
Right.
mike baker
Really?
Okay, that's where your head's at.
joe rogan
And then they're terrified of AI. Because AI is going to come along, and that's going to take away who knows how many jobs.
I mean, I think Hollywood is going to get hit first.
Well, maybe not.
No, probably a lot of industries are going to get crippled.
But I think Hollywood has got a real problem.
They've got a real problem with writers.
They've got a real problem with video, editing, all that stuff.
It's going to be done through computers way quicker.
Way more cost-efficient, probably better.
You're going to get exactly what you want.
mike baker
Yeah.
It is shocking.
I was a little bit late to the game as I usually am on the technology side, right?
And so I don't think I really understood just how invasive or, what's the word I'm looking for, for AI in its abilities, right?
Even now, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
mike baker
And it's going to be exponentially better here shortly.
unidentified
Yeah.
mike baker
The ability to craft a very tailored message in almost no time at all is shocking.
And so you're right.
But where my head goes, I mean, anybody with kids I think goes there, is that what I worry about is, okay, so at what point do we just...
Humans don't know how to fucking analyze and write shit anymore, right?
joe rogan
Right.
mike baker
And you'll have the people who, okay, sure, you've got to program this shit and you've got to, you know, curate all the stuff that it's picking up.
But now it's collecting just AI-generated shit, right?
It's not like it's going out there and getting the world's greatest human literature, right, anymore.
Now it's just scooping up all this shit that AI produced.
But I worry about kids, right?
And, you know, the ease with which they can now put together an essay or a college application or whatever the fuck it is, I think we're just raising, you know, maybe we're just raising the next generation of morons.
joe rogan
Well, definitely the next generation of people that are completely dependent upon technology.
I mean, kids can't even write cursive anymore.
They stop teaching that.
unidentified
Yeah.
mike baker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which is bizarre.
mike baker
I know.
That was always my favorite class.
That was the only class I did really well in, was cursive.
And phys ed.
I did really well in phys ed.
joe rogan
I guess people think there's no reason to be able to write quickly because now you just type things out.
mike baker
Yeah, you type it out.
I still write, you know, Emily's much better than I am, but I still write a letter occasionally.
joe rogan
Well, you have to write your name.
mike baker
Your name is in cursive.
Yeah, but have you ever seen kids write a sign?
You say, here, sign this.
No, they just spell it out, not cursive.
joe rogan
So they don't have a signature anymore.
mike baker
They don't have a signature.
That was a big day when you decided what your signature was going to look like.
joe rogan
Yeah, I used to practice mine.
mike baker
I modeled mine after JFK's.
Really?
Yeah, because no one knows anyway.
And so I just like, okay, John F. Kennedy signed it like that.
So I practiced for a long time just to get it looking like that.
That's a little piece of information I don't think anybody ever had before.
joe rogan
Now they do.
mike baker
Now they do.
joe rogan
We're going to be definitely dependent.
My kids have had kids in their class get busted for papers that they wrote on AI because they're so dumb they don't realize like someone could just put the same prompt into AI and get the exact same verbiage.
mike baker
And they do have, I mean, professors and teachers have, you know, the ability to use certain apps that will scan and see whether these things have been pulled together by AI. But I think it's like a lot of other things.
is going to stay ahead of the defensive capability, right?
Right.
So you're going to get better and better and better, and the defensive ability to judge what's AI generated in the world of academia is going to lag.
But it is.
Yeah, I do think, and then going back to what we were talking about, the level of disinformation coming into November is going to be shocking, I think, for some people, even if they haven't been paying attention.
But a lot of people don't because a lot of people don't have the time.
Yeah, I think when we get there, when we wake up and the election results are announced, you know, three weeks later.
joe rogan
Well, Pennsylvania's already saying they're not going to be able to do it on election night.
mike baker
Yeah, what the fuck?
joe rogan
They used to.
What'd you guys do?
You know?
We used to.
mike baker
Remember?
You go to bed and you knew.
You knew when you went to bed if you stayed up late.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, there's no pandemic.
So why do we have all these mail-in ballots?
mike baker
Hmm.
joe rogan
That seems kind of silly.
mike baker
We know what else seems silly?
I don't consider this to be voter suppression.
Have a fucking ID to show that you're a US citizen.
joe rogan
That's racist.
mike baker
I know.
I know.
I apologize.
But I do think it makes sense.
joe rogan
It 100% makes sense.
mike baker
I couldn't vote in another country.
joe rogan
You should not be able to vote here without an ID. Just like you can't get a driver's license.
You have to have your fucking birth certificate.
We have paperwork.
It's there for a reason, because people are full of shit.
There's a lot of fraudsters out there.
And if there's a way to mitigate fraud, and the most important thing that we do, which is choose a leader, it's one of the most important things we do.
We exercise our right to vote.
And if you're gonna fuck with that, and if you are willfully making it so that it's easier to deceive people, That's crazy.
That's crazy that we don't put a stop to that.
mike baker
Yeah, you would think that that would be the default position is how do we mitigate the risk, right?
And let's do it, again, fine, without voter suppression.
Don't make it, you know, difficult for a particular community or group or whatever to vote.
Of course not.
But I don't think it's asking too much to just say, okay, proof of citizenship, please.
joe rogan
That doesn't seem like a big issue.
In Texas, they've...
They've canceled out a million potential votes that would have been illegal.
See if you can find that.
mike baker
Wow.
joe rogan
So they found a bunch of people, I think a half a million that were registered to vote that were dead.
And then there's a bunch of other people that were registered that were ineligible.
And so the way they're framing it in Texas, the way I saw it framed in one newspaper that Ken Paxton is going after Latinos because he doesn't want them to vote.
1.1 million ineligible voters removed from Texas voter rolls.
So Texas has removed 1.1 million.
That's a lot, folks.
mike baker
Look at that, 457,000 were deceased.
joe rogan
Yes, 457,000 deceased people, 6,500 potential non-citizens.
And so the top Texas Republicans have dedicated significant time and resources to targeting voter fraud, though cases in Texas are exceedingly rare.
unidentified
Well, I mean, the thing is...
joe rogan
Just the fact that that's going on, that they found a million people that shouldn't be eligible.
Goddamn, that could shift an election.
How many people vote?
mike baker
Well, look, Georgia was decided by, what, 12,000, 1,200 votes?
It was some ridiculously small number, right?
And that's the way this is going to be in November.
The only people that matter going into November, frankly, are the undecideds.
joe rogan
When you look at the accusations of voter fraud in 2020, does any of it stick?
Does any of it – will you look at it and go, that is weird?
mike baker
I would say that in our current system – I don't have any evidence of actual – I can't point to actual moments and say, yeah, look at that.
That was voter fraud.
But I will say this.
You may have heard me mention that I have a company, Portman Square Group, that does a lot of things, including fraud investigations.
You know, the President's Daily Brief, by the way, our YouTube channel, at President's Daily Brief, is killing it.
I'm told.
I'm told.
I'm not sure.
joe rogan
So, in terms of our system, I interrupt you to tell you how awesome you are, but the system that we have, is there any evidence that you can point to that says, this doesn't look right?
mike baker
Well, what I was going to say was that, while I don't have evidence to a particular moment in time, As someone who's done a lot of fraud investigations, you look for the opportunity to commit fraud, right?
And it's like what you were just saying a moment ago, right?
If you can button it up and make it more secure, why wouldn't you, right?
And so we've created an environment where there's definitely potential for fraud There's no doubt about it.
More so than if you had voter ID, or just you had to provide ID to show citizenship, and if you did it in person, and if you got the results, and you didn't have massive early voting, and you didn't have drop boxes and ballot harvesting, but...
So we've got a process now that has created a wider playing field for people who may want to commit fraud.
And so I'm a cynical person, so that to me says, yeah, there's going to be fraud, or there has been fraud.
Don't have specific examples, but I just know from looking at a lot of fraud over the years, That's the way it works.
joe rogan
Well, voter fraud has always been a thing.
mike baker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
Voter fraud has been a real problem from the beginning of voting because people are creepy and people like to game the system and they like to cheat and they like to steal and they like to do things where their side wins and if they can figure out...
Look, just think about the way they talk about Trump, the existential threat to democracy, kleptocrat, all these crazy terms that they use.
They can call him Hitler And then everything you do to keep Hitler from being in power is a good thing, including fraud.
mike baker
Yeah, you're justified because you're saving democracy.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's where it gets scary because then, guess what, fuckface?
You set a precedent and now if the Republicans get in power and they do the same thing and use the same playbook, then they're stealing it.
And you can't fucking do that if you care about America.
If you really are a patriot, you can't do that.
mike baker
We had a moment in time with the pandemic where, obviously, you had to make some adjustments to the way that people could vote, right?
To accommodate the fact that you had...
A once-in-a-generation, hopefully, pandemic.
I'm sure we're going to have another one.
Goddammit.
The WHO has declared a global health crisis for Africa, for monkeypox.
joe rogan
They released that.
They stopped.
mike baker
They stopped it.
Okay.
joe rogan
Let's try.
Let's look at that.
Because I think that's also because of pushback.
Because people are like, first of all, what are you talking about?
Who's getting this?
mike baker
Yeah.
Well, it's...
I think they even pushed back on the name, Monkeypox.
joe rogan
It's Mpox.
mike baker
Mpox.
Mpox.
Okay.
joe rogan
Because it's offensive to monkeys.
mike baker
Okay.
To blame them for this.
joe rogan
Well, it was primarily an issue with the gay community in the beginning.
So in the beginning, when they tried to call it a national health emergency, they tried to do this a couple of years ago.
In the middle of COVID, when people were starting to be a little bit more active and less worried about COVID, they tried to push this monkeypox thing.
But there's only four people died from it.
And it was primarily spread sexually.
mike baker
Yeah, and they did say that the most recent, which was just, you know, within the past couple of weeks, I believe, alert or crisis alert for the entire continent of Africa was because it was more virulent.
It was more aggressive.
joe rogan
I think they're saying it's spread airborne now.
mike baker
Yeah, and so because it was going to be more aggressive or because it was proving to be more aggressive than they call it, but I forgot that they changed the name to MPOX. Did they drop the national or world health emergency?
joe rogan
Did they drop that?
I was reading some things that said they did.
jamie vernon
When I googled it, it's only showing me like two days ago there was some uptick in New York City.
mike baker
Oh god.
joe rogan
Yeah, I wonder where.
It's a bathhouse disease all of a sudden.
mike baker
Wall Street?
unidentified
Yeah.
mike baker
Where?
jamie vernon
I just see from like two weeks ago they had the alert, but I don't see anything about a recall or like a withdrawal or anything.
joe rogan
Hmm.
mike baker
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Would the word be a withdrawal?
joe rogan
Recall.
unidentified
Recall?
mike baker
Yeah.
jamie vernon
I mean, I Googled that.
mike baker
But I digress.
joe rogan
Maybe try withdrawal.
mike baker
So we expanded the voting parameters or the ability to vote for that moment in time for the pandemic.
And yes, you would think reasonable people would say, we don't have the pandemic.
Let's at least go back to where we were before the pandemic, right?
In terms of when we could vote and how.
unidentified
Right.
mike baker
But that didn't happen.
And so then you have to ask yourself, being a reasonable person, well, why?
Would people just love the new process so much that they thought, oh my god, we have to keep this?
Or was there some benefit to it that they saw?
Anyway, again, I would be speculating if I pointed to a particular state or incident and say that was, you know, an obvious case of voter fraud.
But I do know for a fact that when you expand the playing field for fraud, someone's going to fill that gap.
They're going to come in and take advantage of it.
And like you said, you know, people want to win.
joe rogan
I'm just scared because of the rhetoric.
And I'm not just scared because I want one side to win.
I'm scared because I think that by overzealously wanting their side to win and doing it so in a way that really isn't fair, that you set up a precedent where anybody can do that in the future.
And they think they're justified in doing that.
There's a lot of people that think 2020 was stolen, and Trump has said it over and over again.
But by the way, Hillary said it in 2016, over and over again.
mike baker
For several years.
joe rogan
Yeah, they said Russia.
And then there's always people saying he's a Russian plant, Russia put him into power, Russian disinformation is why he got...
They were actively doing disinformation on their own, especially with the Biden laptop thing.
Zuckerberg coming out and saying that thing yesterday was fucking huge.
That was huge.
And releasing that statement, because Mayorkas, when he was testifying, he said they didn't do that under oath.
So is that perjury?
mike baker
Yeah, well...
You know, not being a lawyer, but I would think that you had conflicting things because you would also have someone in government, you know, almost bragging about the fact that, you know, look, we're getting this disinformation taken down during the pandemic.
And so, yeah, Zuckerberg coming out and making this statement, I agree with you, it is huge.
It's sort of Zuckerberg going, eh, what are you going to do?
We're going to do better next time.
joe rogan
Well, he said, we're not going to engage in that anymore.
We're going to push back.
And he said, they're not going to promote one side or the other.
mike baker
There's a brilliant thought.
joe rogan
Crazy.
mike baker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Crazy.
mike baker
Oh, my God.
Really?
So you run a free speech platform and you're not going to promote one or the other.
Well, what a fucking douchebag to now come up with the idea, right?
And I'm sure he's a smart fellow.
joe rogan
He's a smart fellow, but I think he's also in an enormous corporation.
And it's not like he's the only guy pulling strings over there.
mike baker
Yeah, I'm sure that's true.
That's like when Musk took over Twitter.
unidentified
And you had a lot of people jump and ship just, oh, I'm so upset.
mike baker
Because now I can't engage in this censorship that I've been engaged in.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
But it is a cesspool over there now.
You see some wild shit on Twitter, but you have to see the horrible shit if you want to see everything.
If you want to see everything, that means even things you don't agree with and don't like.
That's part of free speech.
And this is what Musk has been saying, and I 100% agree with him.
And I wonder where we would be if he hadn't bought Twitter.
I really do.
Because there wouldn't be a platform like that where anybody can freely talk about anything and not worry about being Your account getting taken down and getting in trouble with the government.
unidentified
Yeah.
mike baker
I mean, I don't think people would have migrated en masse to what's Trump's thing?
Truth Social.
That didn't work.
That didn't work out.
He's got 90 million followers, I read, on X now.
Oh yeah, he's back on X. But he's already up to 90 million.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's not shocking.
And you look at polls on X, and they've done, I think Musk might have done one.
I think there's a few of them.
It's like 73% said they're voting for Trump.
But you look on the polls that you see on television, Harris is ahead.
About three points or four points.
mike baker
Exactly.
I was going to say, it's neck and neck, or Trump may have a two-point or three-point lead in a place like Georgia, but for the most part, she's pulled even and is slightly ahead.
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
But who the fuck are they polling?
This is the problem.
mike baker
Yeah.
Again, and...
There were a lot of people arguing about how accurate any polling is anymore.
joe rogan
Well, look, in 2016, it wasn't accurate at all, right?
Because Hillary Clinton was like 84% to win.
mike baker
Well, somebody knocks on your door, they call you up and say, are you going to vote for Trump?
You know, there's a lot of people out there that, you know, may decide, okay, I'm going to vote for Trump, but I'm not going to tell you I'm going to vote for Trump.
joe rogan
No, I would never vote for him.
mike baker
No, that seems unreasonable.
So, yeah, again, I don't know that you can trust a lot of the polls for either side.
unidentified
Right.
mike baker
But I will say there's going to be one unhappy group regardless of the result.
joe rogan
That's what I'm scared of.
I'm scared of the violence.
I'm scared that whichever side loses, they might erupt.
mike baker
They just got to keep their shit together.
But I think even above and beyond, if people can do that and keep their shit together and not get into a violent situation, we're still going to be dealing then with four years of Of just dysfunctional bullshit, right?
From one side or the other.
joe rogan
Right.
mike baker
Just harping on this and people having investigations and committees up on Capitol Hill.
And you get to this point where it's just paralysis.
unidentified
Right.
mike baker
Shit doesn't get done.
And, you know, I don't know.
I think this one...
I say this and then I piss off a lot of people who are very pro-Trump, but I'm really worried that...
You know, because again, I... I don't have a dog in the hunt for either individual.
I just like policies, right?
And particularly I like national security issues and homeland security concerns and things like that.
You can't really argue that the Republicans are the party of small government or fiscal responsibility anymore.
But I think certainly for border concerns, for national security, I'm definitely on that side.
So I'm worried that, you know, Trump is, he's got a ceiling, right?
He's got all the people who are always going to vote for him.
There's no doubt about that.
But you don't really have to care about them.
I mean, you do care about them, but you don't have to worry about them, right?
That ceiling only gets higher and allows him to win if he gets some of those moderates and the undecideds.
joe rogan
Well, I think that's where RFK Jr. comes in.
mike baker
It could be.
joe rogan
And Tulsi Gabbard now as well.
mike baker
Tulsi Gabbard, yeah.
What do you think about that?
That's interesting.
joe rogan
It's pretty powerful.
mike baker
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, a Democrat, Senator, she was a Congresswoman for eight years.
mike baker
I think she could actually move to Nita more than RFK Jr. But she definitely moves to Nita.
joe rogan
And I think maybe either one of those would be a great choice for Vice President, which I was kind of surprised she went with Vance.
I think Trump and RFK Jr. together would be a wild ticket.
That's a wild ticket.
mike baker
It would definitely be a wild ticket.
joe rogan
That's a wild ticket.
mike baker
I don't know that it would have opened the door for a victory.
Look, I like RFK Jr. because I think that he believes what he believes, and that's hard to find anymore.
I always said this about Bernie Sanders, which is crazy, but I at least appreciate the fact that Bernie Sanders is consistent in his socialist beliefs.
But I think...
Was J.D. Vance the best choice?
Eh, I don't know.
I mean, he's Ohio.
Were we in danger of losing Ohio?
I don't think so, but...
joe rogan
I think Trump likes a weak middle act.
I don't think, you know, as a headliner, I don't think he wants someone to upstage him.
You know?
It's like a lot of comics like that.
They take a guy in the row with him.
You want him to do okay, but not great.
mike baker
Exactly.
I don't want to be back there and hear this standing ovation.
joe rogan
Yeah, Ron White will fire a strong middle act.
He's open about it.
He talks about it all the time.
unidentified
I want to be the funniest person on that stage, and if I'm not, you gotta go.
mike baker
I love the honesty.
So maybe that was it, but I was puzzled.
I thought he might pick a female for his running mate.
joe rogan
Yeah, I thought so, too, maybe.
But I think maybe he's worried about, you know, some Republican men don't want a female.
Or some people that are on the fence don't want a female.
mike baker
Yeah.
It depends if it's a hot female.
Like who?
Scarlett Johansson.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
I don't think she's voting Republican.
mike baker
Oh, yeah.
Good point.
She's not going to flop over to the other side.
joe rogan
Who's like a hot Republican female that's famous?
Amber Rose.
She's all pro-Trump now.
mike baker
Never heard of her.
joe rogan
You don't know who she is?
mike baker
No.
Sydney Sweeney.
Is Sydney Sweeney a Republican?
joe rogan
I doubt it.
She just hosted SNL. But meanwhile, Trump did at one point in time, too.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's what's really crazy when you watch Trump on The View from like 2015 when they all loved him.
mike baker
Yeah, that's right.
joe rogan
Played that the other day.
mike baker
Fantastic.
joe rogan
It's nuts.
mike baker
They're all like being cute with them.
joe rogan
How about Oprah?
Oprah was talking about her and Trump running together.
Yeah.
mike baker
I know.
joe rogan
And now she's speaking to the DNC that he's a threat to democracy.
mike baker
It's gonna end it.
joe rogan
And she's up there talking about income inequality.
Like, hey lady.
mike baker
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
You're rich as fuck.
Like, how is that equal?
And also, when Michelle Obama was saying, you know, I think she was saying her mother or grandmother was always suspicious of people who took more than they needed.
Like, you're worth so much money!
mike baker
I'm kidding me.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
unidentified
God.
joe rogan
You did it on a civil servant's salary, which is insane.
mike baker
Oh, they all do, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
mike baker
Look at, you know, I haven't seen the latest figures, but I'd love to know the current personal wealth of AOC. You know, the bartender who turned congresswoman.
joe rogan
Probably doing pretty well.
mike baker
I think she's doing quite well.
Ilhan Omar.
I think they're all doing fairly well.
Even, to be fair, Bernie Sanders, who I just said stood on principle.
But, you know, hey, he's making bank.
Yeah, I... I don't know.
Maybe I'm drawing a blank on hot Republican women other than my wife.
joe rogan
Want to see a picture of Amber Rose?
Sure!
Show them Amber Rose.
mike baker
Oh, I thought you were going to show me your phone.
unidentified
No!
mike baker
I didn't know where you were going with that.
Take out a piece of a photograph that you tore out of a magazine.
joe rogan
What does she do?
What is her actual job, Jamie?
She had a baby with Wiz Khalifa.
jamie vernon
I would say you could call her a model probably.
joe rogan
A model.
jamie vernon
Influencer model.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Influencer slash model.
Maybe model first, influencer second.
mike baker
Does she have vlogger?
Here, that's a thing.
joe rogan
She's got a forehead tattoo.
What does it say?
mike baker
Bash Stash.
No regrets.
joe rogan
Something Slash.
jamie vernon
It says Bash Stash.
mike baker
Slash.
jamie vernon
Slash.
joe rogan
Bash.
unidentified
Slash.
joe rogan
Anyway, pretty hot.
mike baker
Yeah.
Well, no, for sure.
I'm not sure about the forehead tattoo, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think that's got to go, but they can laser that off later.
But she likes Trump.
So that might be the hottest one currently available.
Okay.
mike baker
Oh, she spoke at the RNC. Look at her there.
Okay.
joe rogan
Pretty hot.
unidentified
Yeah.
There you go.
mike baker
Look, her forehead tattoo was in cursive.
So, you know, there was some tattoo artist out there who still knows cursive.
joe rogan
Back in the day.
mike baker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Probably an older guy.
mike baker
Some grizzled guy with a Popeye on his arm.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike baker
Yeah.
Anyway, Middle East on fire.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike baker
I wish we'd probably talk about that a little bit, maybe.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
mike baker
Fucking Middle East.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, obviously there's Gaza, but there's also a lot of hot spots popping off.
mike baker
Yeah.
Yeah, there's a shit ton of hot spots going on right now, and it's all down to Iran.
I think we've talked about this once or twice before, and I think I've been accused of promoting regime change, which I'm not.
I'm saying, well, okay, I am.
But it should happen inside, right, from within.
And you'd like to think that one day, and I'm sure that every administration in the U.S. for decades now has been imagining that it would happen, that it'd be a popular uprising that would actually change the regime.
And then you might actually get something that could resemble long-term peace.
But right now, all this crap that's happening related to Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, Islamic Jihad, militias in Iraq and Syria, it's all down to Iran.
And just over the past four days, this past weekend, Hezbollah and Israel had the largest exchange of fire that they've had in ages.
And you have to go back to actual war between the two.
And I will say, this is the amazing thing.
And this is why I think people always say, well, how come Iran hasn't retaliated for the death of Ishmael Hanyeh when they took him out in Tehran?
Part of me thinks that the reason they haven't is because that operation to take out Chania in Tehran, he was in a safe house on an IRGC compound in Tehran, right?
So you would imagine that's a pretty secure place, right?
It's pretty buttoned up and it's a safe house that Chania had been to in the past on a handful of occasions.
So The idea that Mossad and other elements of Israeli intelligence could develop assets in Tehran within the IRGC that allowed them to carry out that operation,
if they did, I'm not saying they did, but if they did, It's remarkable and it shows the depth of their abilities in terms of identifying targets for possible recruitment and then working those targets and then recruiting them and then tasking them.
You had to get inside a safe house in an IRGC-guarded compound in Tehran.
They had to have assets who were willing to walk in there with explosive devices, because there's more than one, and put them in there.
Those folks, you know, got off the X. They got out of country, you know, you would think.
And they had to have a trigger there.
They still had to have an asset who could say, you know, go or no go, because Kanye is now is back in the safe house at, you know, midnight or 1 a.m.
or 2 a.m.
And so it's time to, you know, cross the red wire with the green wire.
And...
That's, you know, amazing.
And so I think, in part, that has completely, you know, freaked out.
Maybe it says, how old am I? Freaked out.
They're so freaked out.
The Iranian leadership and the IRGC, they don't know what the depth of that penetration is by Mossad and others.
And so the idea that, you know, this is happening, and I guess the point there is, Then you look at what they did to the Hezbollah commander, Fuad Shukr, in Beirut.
Getting him to move, he was in a building, a multi-story building, and they wanted him to move up to his residence, which was on the top floor.
And he was in his office, which was, I think, the second floor of that building.
And they were able to orchestrate a call To get him to go up to the top deck so he could be an easier target and they could minimize casualties and took him out.
So now you've got that ability.
You've got that sort of thing going on.
joe rogan
How did they do that?
mike baker
Well, you have to have assets.
You have to recruit people who are in a position to be able to do that, who have access, who can tell you things, who can identify something as simple as, you know, his routine.
You know, he typically goes upstairs to the top deck at 7 o'clock or whatever.
Or you have to have someone who's willing and has got access to make that call to get him to go upstairs.
joe rogan
And how'd they get him when he went upstairs?
mike baker
Drone strike.
And drones have completely changed the game.
Everything.
Everything.
But then, this massive barrage that took place over the weekend between Hezbollah and Israel.
Amazingly, the leader of Hezbollah, a fellow named Nasrallah, he has said, in the wake of that, he's talked about their attack, and he said that the timing of it was a quarter after 5 in the morning.
5.15 in the morning, we're going to launch this barrage.
At 4.55 in the morning, Israel sends about 100 jets Over the border to attack launch sites, right?
So once again, they had this intelligence, this advanced knowledge, right?
So I think that and a variety of other hits that they've been able to accomplish, Muhammad Deef and some of these other characters.
I think that the Iranian regime and the RGC, they're just, right now, there's a level of paranoia.
It's like the old IRA days.
The IRA was worried about infiltration, you know, back in the Troubles.
And it created a lot of infighting, right?
It created a lot of disappearances.
And you're getting that, too.
A number of IRGC people were interrogated about, you know, they were trying to figure out where's the leaks here.
And that just leads to an ever-widening circle of interrogations and disappearances.
So, and that infighting, I'm not saying it's bad.
You know, it's like getting a cartel to infight, right?
Start killing each other.
Anyway, so that's one thing that I'm thinking, because people are always asking, how come Iran hasn't retaliated for the Hanye hit yet?
And part of it is also, I think they're worried about legitimately getting into a direct conflict with Israel.
They understand that the U.S., regardless of where the Biden administration may be and how less they would like not to be in that conflict, they're going to have to be in the conflict.
And so Iran can't win that.
And so I think they're worried about that as well.
So there's reasons behind it.
But, you know, there's a lot going on.
Israel's just launched a massive operation in West Bank.
So they're up in the northern portion of the West Bank going after militants up there.
And Hamas and Islamic Jihad and some others operate in the West Bank, even though the Palestinian Authority runs it.
So they're up north.
They've just moved in overnight, basically.
And they're going after terrorist elements up there.
But Iran has been shoving weapons into the West Bank, you know, because what they want to do is, if you think about where Israel is, you think about Gaza's on the west side, Hezbollah's up north, West Bank's over on the east.
They want to create more of a front on the east side, right?
And they basically got them You know, engulfed, right?
And so they want to, they've been funneling weapons and resources into the West Bank for, well, for several years.
They've got smuggling routes going through Lebanon, going through Syria, going through Jordan.
So I guess my point being, all this shit is down to the Iranian regime and the IRGC. So when people talk about, we've got to get a ceasefire, we've got to work for a lasting peace.
Unless you get rid of those guys, there's no lasting peace.
joe rogan
Now, what happened during when Biden was in office, I guess he's kind of still in office, where they released somewhere in the neighborhood of $6 billion to Iran that they had tied up?
unidentified
Yeah.
mike baker
Yeah, they released it.
And their point was, well, we're controlling it.
We're not really releasing it.
It's sitting over in Qatar.
And it can be used for humanitarian purposes only.
And we're doing that in part because, look, they've had a policy of appeasement towards Iran for the entire Biden administration.
And, you know, they've been desperate and they've been very open about wanting to get back into the, you know, the 2015 nuclear agreement that was created under the Obama administration.
But the idea is, look, they essentially gave $6 billion, they advised the Iranian regime that you now have $6 billion available to you for humanitarian purposes, which, you know, it's all fungible, so it frees up other money, right, that they can now use to Help to resource the Houthis or help to resource Hezbollah or Hamas.
They don't make a secret of it, right?
It's like Putin talking about how he wants to recreate the old Soviet Union in some fashion.
The Iranian regime has stated over and over again they want the destruction of Israel.
And that's why they built up all these terrorist elements.
They've got the same objective because their puppet master is Iran.
I don't want to oversimplify this, but it's not that hard to oversimplify because it's just the way it is.
Iran is at the top of this thing and they're causing all of this instability because ultimately they want to see Israel removed from the map.
Which sounds to me like genocide, but, you know, it's Israel that's constantly accused of genocide.
They're driving the narrative.
The other side, Palestinian supporters and others have been very good at driving the narrative.
And so, I don't know.
So, anyway, point being, is the Middle East is a bit of a fucked up mess.
joe rogan
It is a bit of a fucked up mess.
And it's kind of always a fucked up mess.
There's never been a time in my life where you weren't worried about something popping off in the Middle East.
mike baker
Yeah.
Well, in part because we've had the same bad actors there with the same objective for all these years, right?
And...
There's no indication that that's going to change anytime soon, right?
I mean, nobody wants to get in the game anymore of regime change.
joe rogan
It never seems to work out so good.
It's a problem sometimes.
mike baker
Oh, God.
Yeah.
Nobody ever says Libya, right?
So I give you a lot of credit because nobody ever talks about Libya anymore.
It's a hot mess.
And we kind of agreed with the French and Italians to go in there and get rid of Gaddafi, even though he was, you know, for a while, he was helping us out in counterterrorism.
I don't want to make more than that that it is, but, you know, he was there and he would provide some assistance related to counterterrorism.
Suddenly it would say, oh, sure, we'll help the French and Italians.
They were the only ones with any national interests in Libya to speak of.
And now it's a disaster.
joe rogan
What did Qaddafi do to piss them off?
unidentified
Well...
mike baker
God, I'm having a Biden moment.
You'd have to go back and I'd have to look and see what they were arguing about.
joe rogan
There has to be something with money.
mike baker
Yeah, I'm sure it was.
Look, Libya has been kind of a...
The revenue stream coming out of Libya, such as it is for oil and gas, has always been...
Mostly in the hands of the French, the Italians, their oil companies, so Total and others.
I think right now, the place has 130 plus tribes.
There's no central government.
It's a massive place, right, to be fair.
There's no central government.
There's warring factions now constantly.
But I guess the point being that nobody ever talks about it anymore.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike baker
So we just disappear.
We just let it go.
It's like Afghanistan.
I'm tired of it.
Let's get the fuck out.
joe rogan
It really got highlighted for two very specific reasons.
One, the Hillary Clinton moment where she was being interviewed and she got a phone call or a text message saying that there is apparently an un...
It wasn't completely confirmed, an unconfirmed report that Gaddafi had been captured.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
And then he was dead.
And so while she's doing the thing, we came, we saw he died, and she's laughing.
Which is just a terrible look for anybody.
Forget about someone who's the Secretary of State, but someone who...
It's a person who's talking about some guy that they just had killed, and she's laughing.
It was just a crazy moment.
So then everybody's like, well, what the fuck happened in Libya?
And then there was the video of Qaddafi actually being captured by the rebels where they stick that bayonet up his ass, and they're like, yo.
mike baker
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Like, that is a crazy video.
mike baker
It's like hanging Mussolini upside down and, you know, beating him.
joe rogan
We don't have high-res photos of that.
mike baker
We don't have video.
joe rogan
The video is crazy.
When they're parading him around, you see the look in his eyes when he knows it's over, when they've got him.
mike baker
Well, look, I mean, he was nobody's idea of a benevolent leader.
joe rogan
Yeah, there he is right there.
They're beating him up.
See if you can get the video.
The video is what's crazy.
The look in his eyes, the fucking terror in that guy's eyes.
What's the real reason why they killed Muammar Gaddafi?
If you could just go to videos or anything of it?
jamie vernon
It was a bunch of other videos.
That's why it looked like it was people doing their own commentary on it.
mike baker
Yeah.
Killed by a bullet in the stomach and a bayonet up his ass.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a crazy video, man.
The video is very strange.
Who shot Gaddafi?
Probably everybody shot him eventually.
unidentified
Interesting.
joe rogan
Well, video certainly exists.
You'd probably get it on Telegram, of all places.
Which is where I would go.
That's where I'd go if, like, when there was Ukraine footage, a lot of crazy shit that you could see, you'd get it on Telegram, because they wouldn't censor it.
And I don't exactly know how Telegram works, because I don't use it that much, but I guess you could start a channel, and then anybody can kind of go to your channel, and you could post things.
Is this it right here?
Yeah, this is it.
Decoding Qaddafi's death.
I can help you with that.
So this is just them having him captured and he's bleeding and they're beating the shit out of him.
Yeah, they're not...
Are they showing the thing or are you doing that?
jamie vernon
I'm not doing it.
It's all in stop motion.
joe rogan
So it's almost like stop motion video.
jamie vernon
I think someone's probably talking.
It says decoding the thing.
joe rogan
This is the end when he's already dead.
jamie vernon
That video that said the real reason.
Suggestions say he was trying to start a global currency for Africa or something.
joe rogan
Ah, well, that'll get you killed.
mike baker
Yeah.
That's why I never got into that project.
joe rogan
Yeah, fuck all that.
unidentified
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, fuck that.
mike baker
But, yeah, I mean, to that point, we do tend to, you know, get in, get out.
There might be a mess left behind.
joe rogan
Yeah, it never works out well.
mike baker
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, even Iraq.
Look at Iraq.
The chaos, the fact that they didn't know that the Sunnis and the Shias were going to fight is nuts.
How do you not understand there's two competing factors of Islam that are there?
mike baker
Or the idea that we would think, okay, well, I guess the Taliban is going to keep their promise and they're going to worry about women's rights.
joe rogan
That's important for them.
mike baker
Yeah, that's been one of their cornerstones.
joe rogan
Well, what's really important, we left them $6 billion worth of weapons.
When they had that parade the other day when they're flying around?
mike baker
A lot more than that in terms of monetary value.
I mean, shit, you could go upwards of maybe $80 billion in gear.
Really?
All in, right?
All in.
joe rogan
When they had a parade the other day and they got tanks and Blackhawks, you're like, what?
mike baker
Yeah.
joe rogan
So they know how to fly that stuff?
mike baker
So maybe, who knows, maybe they'll ask that tomorrow night.
Because I think it was Biden who said that- Yeah, here it is.
joe rogan
Here's their parade.
It's like...
This is fucking bananas.
This is all our stuff.
And they're all driving around with our stuff with fucking missiles.
Like, they have missiles?
They didn't have missiles.
Now they do?
This is fucking bananas.
The fact that this is all our gear.
Taxpayers paid for all this stuff.
mike baker
They keep it in pretty good shape, too.
Looks good.
joe rogan
Nice white walls.
Look at that.
Clean tires, armored.
mike baker
Well, it's a parade, you know.
unidentified
What the fuck?
mike baker
It's a parade.
unidentified
What the fuck?
joe rogan
They have so much stuff.
mike baker
God damn it.
joe rogan
That's so crazy that these people were basically like tribal mountain warlords and now they've got Blackhawks.
mike baker
Yeah, yeah.
Well, again, going back to at the beginning and what kind of interview we're going to be looking at for tomorrow evening with Harrison Walls.
You'd like to think that they say, look, you've been here now for a while, and you've been around, and you've kind of seen a lot.
Would you like to talk about the Afghan withdrawal, maybe?
Just talk about what's your policy towards the Middle East?
Ask some serious, legitimate questions, but who knows?
Again, I hope that happens.
I just don't think it will.
I think they picked this for a reason.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think this is going to be a nice little softball pitch.
Nice and underhand lobs.
We know where the ball's coming.
You knock it out of the park.
They're game planning right now, planning it out.
mike baker
Yeah, I just...
Again, it's the lack of...
It's that thing.
I understand it.
I keep saying the same thing.
I get it.
Their argument is always the same.
But Trump.
But you would think, okay, set that fucking thing aside for a minute and ask yourself, is this the best choice you've got?
Does this make sense compared to what you thought a month and a half ago?
But now, again, they're very good at this.
So that's the thought I have, is if the Republicans think somehow...
And they thought it was a cakewalk, right?
When it was Biden, to be fair, it was.
joe rogan
Everything got real complicated after she had that one good speech.
mike baker
Yep, yep.
joe rogan
Because that's all people need to see.
Someone who seems younger, more vital, and acts presidential.
Right.
Or acts like a leader.
mike baker
Yeah.
Yeah, that's the part I'm having a hard time with.
A leader.
joe rogan
Well, just act like one in this small speech, and most people are low-information voters.
mike baker
Right?
joe rogan
Wouldn't you think the majority of people are headline readers?
They're not reading the whole article.
Low information voters.
mike baker
Yeah, well, and certainly, yeah, you're right.
You get consumed with this, right?
But then you have to assume that the vast majority of people, to your point, don't, right?
They take a couple of headlines, they take a couple of things, and they go, fine, I've made my choice.
I can't be bothered to think about it anymore because it's fucking boring, or I've got too much else to do, I've got to put food on the table.
So, yeah, I suppose so.
joe rogan
Yeah, and they're also, ideologically, they're committed to a team.
And it's very difficult to get people to switch teams.
Especially when the guy on the other side is someone like Trump.
You know, if you have someone who's, like, a little bit more balanced, like Vivek.
Let's say Trump didn't exist and Vivek makes it to...
That's a much more reasonable person for most people.
He's got great temperament.
He's really good at staying calm in the middle of heated debates and recognizing a person's point and then adding on to it.
I think he's amazing at it.
unidentified
Yeah.
mike baker
He's much more...
He sounds more familiar in the sense that he's eloquent about when he talks.
joe rogan
I was surprised that Trump didn't pick him as VP. Yeah, yeah.
Maybe he didn't want to.
He said he didn't want to be VP. Maybe he's telling the truth.
Maybe he wants to be president and he feels like this is not the time if he doesn't get the nomination.
mike baker
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That guy's brilliant.
mike baker
I think he said that.
Didn't Trump say that he's going to put Gabbard and RFK Jr. on his campaign, on his advisory?
Something.
It was more than just like an advisor or something.
It was a fairly senior role in the campaign.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, they're out there with him.
mike baker
Yeah.
joe rogan
So it seems like that's the case.
And that's a wise move on his part.
mike baker
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, because they're dealing with a massive propaganda machine that's been propped up to support Kamala.
And they've done it in a weird way where they were just a few months ago talking about her as being a problem.
She was a liability at one point.
mike baker
Oh, yeah.
No, for quite a long time.
joe rogan
They openly discussed her as a liability.
mike baker
Yeah.
And just in a short period of time, if all you do is look at what she's saying in a limited fashion, because she hasn't said much, about her positions on things, compared to what she did say, again, same thing.
Leading into this interview, you would think that's a lot of fodder for the person that's handling the interview, Dana Bash or whoever.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike baker
To say, well, okay, wait a minute.
You were all in on pick something.
joe rogan
Oh, tax on tips.
mike baker
Tax on tips, yeah.
joe rogan
She was the deciding vote where they were going to go after waitresses for taxes on tips.
He comes along and says, I'm not going to tax tips.
And then she comes along just a short...
Time period afterwards.
And parrots the exact same things that he said.
And now the most recent one, she's going to build a border wall.
mike baker
She's going to build a border wall.
She's all in on the border wall.
You know, $685 million, you know, get that done.
When she had called it a complete scam and waste of taxpayer money just a handful of years ago, she was all in on EVs, right?
We're going to get rid of fossil fuels.
You're not going to be able to drive that fucking gas truck.
Somebody smashed into my truck, by the way, the other day.
Yeah, I just got completely T-boned.
This guy just pulled out into the road, didn't even look.
I was staring at him.
joe rogan
Probably on his phone.
unidentified
Watch his TikToks about Kamala Harris.
mike baker
God, I love that Kamala Harris.
And then he just, bam, right into my truck.
And I swerved.
Luckily, there was nobody on my left-hand side, but I swerved so I wouldn't hit him head-on, you know, engine block to engine block.
So he caught the right driver's side front panel, and because I was swerving, it just took the whole side of that truck, because he was still going.
joe rogan
Was this in Idaho?
mike baker
This was in Idaho, yeah.
Normally, I always think we've got great drivers in Idaho, but anyway, so that happened.
joe rogan
How was the interaction between you and the guy?
mike baker
I was really angry.
I was really angry.
I pulled over, and he pulled over, and I was fucking livid because I could look at him, but I was moving.
I was doing about 35 miles on a decent-sized road, right?
And there's two lanes on that road and two lanes on the other side going the opposite direction.
And he just didn't even bother to say he was going to exit and come out onto the road and join the traffic.
He just didn't even bother to wait.
He just pulled right in front.
So to your point, he was busy doing something else.
And so I park, and I'm just steaming.
I'm getting out of the truck, and luckily Emily was there.
Luckily she wasn't hurt because she was in the passenger side.
And she said, no, no, no.
You sit here.
I'll take care of this.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
mike baker
Because I was just so angry.
And...
In part because she was in the car, right?
And in part because I was driving to the vet to pick up my big dog, the golden retriever.
And thank God he wasn't in the back of the truck, right?
unidentified
Right.
mike baker
When we got hit.
So anyway, but I calmed down after a while.
The guy was, you know, fine.
He was nice enough.
He was very apologetic and all that.
Anyway, so, man, I can disappear down a rabbit hole quicker than anybody.
So she's all in on EVs just a handful of years ago.
She's, goddammit, we got to be all electric vehicles by 2035 or 2040. And she's on news shows talking about this.
This is my policy.
This is what I want.
And now her staff is saying, oh, no, she never did that.
They just, they don't see anything wrong with telling people Here's the truth.
Don't pay attention to anything that we did before.
Don't pay attention to the fact that she's been vice president for all this time.
She has nothing to do with the Biden administration decisions, even though she was there, even though President Biden said, oh, usually she's the last person in the room when we talk about these important things.
And now they just want everybody to buy this bullshit, right?
Because she's younger and she's a woman and there's a good vibe.
joe rogan
I wish that he would go and do a tell-all.
Who, Biden?
Yeah.
Tell us what happened.
mike baker
If you can remember.
joe rogan
How'd they get you out of there?
I was in Vietnam.
And I was fighting the Smurfs.
mike baker
I was in a foxhole with Corn Pop.
And, duh.
joe rogan
Cannibals ate my uncle.
mike baker
Uncle Posey.
I think it was Uncle Posey.
joe rogan
I mean, but if you could get him lucid enough for him to explain what they did and how they did it and who came to him and what they said.
mike baker
You know what they did?
You know what it is?
It's the Democrats.
I hadn't thought about this before, but they got a kind of a habit of this.
Look what they did to RFK Jr. Look what they did to Bernie Sanders.
Remember him?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
So this is kind of in their playbook.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike baker
So pushing Biden out, they just turned the chapter back.
Let's see, what did we do with Sanders?
unidentified
I would have to say that it's very undemocratic.
mike baker
Oh.
joe rogan
It seems.
mike baker
They're just doing this to save democracy.
joe rogan
By subverting democracy.
You've got to save democracy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
By putting someone into the position to be running for president that nobody voted for.
mike baker
God.
joe rogan
Which is really wild.
mike baker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Nobody voted for that.
mike baker
Well, yeah.
joe rogan
I think Biden fucked them.
I think by endorsing her when he was leaving, he fucked them.
That's just my theory.
mike baker
But think about this.
How would they have come up with any other decision?
Because if you think about, what's his name, Shapiro in Pennsylvania, or Wes Moore, or these other candidates, even Gavin Newsom, although he doesn't have a hope in hell, Pete Buttigieg, who I think always fancies himself to be president.
joe rogan
Good luck.
unidentified
Right.
mike baker
All these people, though, that, well, what do they have in common?
Well, they're white men.
Okay.
How could they possibly throw their hat in the ring against Kamala Harris?
Right.
And have a political future for the next election.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
And not get labeled.
mike baker
Exactly.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike baker
And so they would have gotten the RFK Jr. treatment.
joe rogan
Right.
mike baker
And they knew that was probably sort of the death call for their political career in the Dem Party.
So they may not have had really any option.
joe rogan
But wasn't there also something about the campaign war chest?
Like, to get access to the money that was already in there, you had to be a part of the ticket?
mike baker
Yeah, and so that was...
I'm sure...
Okay, this sounds odd to say that cash might have played a role in politics.
joe rogan
You think?
mike baker
It doesn't sound right.
joe rogan
It's legal, isn't it?
mike baker
It doesn't sound right.
I think it's...
Yeah, so you're right.
That was a part of it.
But the point being is maybe it's...
You know, it wasn't so much a...
It was a very calculated, obviously, thing that...
Nobody really cared about on the Democratic side.
They were just waiting for someone to tell them what to do, right?
unidentified
Right.
mike baker
And once they did and said, okay, it's Kamala, everyone was like, oh my God, she's fabulous.
joe rogan
She's the best ever.
mike baker
She's the best ever.
I know I said she was a midwit who's failed upward spectacularly before, but now she's fantastic.
And they've all lined up in really impressive fashion.
joe rogan
So anyway, that's- Their previous statements are all on record, unfortunately.
Yeah.
mike baker
Yeah, nothing dies anymore on the internet except for Gaddafi.
unidentified
He definitely died on the internet.
joe rogan
We came, we saw, he died.
mike baker
Although I remember Trump.
He died like a dog.
joe rogan
You ever seen Shane Gillis' bit on that?
mike baker
Yes, it's fantastic.
joe rogan
So good.
unidentified
It's so good.
joe rogan
He has the best Trump impression.
mike baker
It is.
It is really.
joe rogan
Fucking dead on.
mike baker
I wonder how long he had to work on that.
joe rogan
He's really good.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's really good at impressions.
That one in particular.
He doesn't do a lot of impressions, but the ones he can do.
mike baker
I mean, it's not like Rich Little.
unidentified
Right.
mike baker
Right.
joe rogan
But he can make the noises, the Trump noises.
unidentified
He does the sucking in, showing the lower teeth.
joe rogan
It's so good.
mike baker
Oh, Baghdadi.
joe rogan
Die like a dog.
We have beautiful dogs.
That's the name of his specials, Beautiful Dogs.
mike baker
I know this sounds wrong, because what I really want is I want the Republican policies, again, for national security and other purposes, to be in place and to actually focus on important things down the road.
And I don't want price controls.
That's another thing, by the way, that she's walked back.
Or her team has walked back.
She came out with the price control idea for food, for groceries.
joe rogan
Which is fucking communism.
mike baker
Fucking communism.
And also, we've got plenty of case studies that show it doesn't work.
And not only does it not work, it fails really badly.
joe rogan
And no case studies that show it does work.
mike baker
And they're walking it back already.
They're walking it back.
joe rogan
That's a week ago.
mike baker
Yeah.
She reminds me, there was a Peter Sellers, we talked about Pink Panther, there was a Peter Sellers movie called Being There.
And she reminds me of his character in Being There called Chance the Gardener.
And he was basically just this dolt But people kind of poured their ideas onto him, right?
And then imagined that he was brilliant and insightful and a visionary.
joe rogan
Right.
Back to Cato.
mike baker
Yeah.
I can never get enough of that.
So, anyway.
God.
We haven't even talked about Russia.
Russia, Russia.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike baker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, that's spooky shit that's going on now, too, because Ukraine is now in Russia attacking.
unidentified
That's it.
Yeah.
mike baker
If you had said, when we got together last time, if you said, you think Ukraine might invade Russia?
Right.
Yeah.
First time they've had an invading army on their turf since World War II. Crazy.
And now, apparently, it looks like they hold up to, Ukrainian military is holding up to about 500 square miles of territory.
joe rogan
Wow.
mike baker
And they've just made some moves in a different section of Russia.
Not the Kursk region, but the Belgorod region.
And so they've had some incursions into there, like they may think about, maybe we're going to open up a second front.
And it's, I mean, it is fascinating.
The Russians have had, Putin initially kind of dismissed it a little bit.
You know, he was sort of like, ah, it's just a one-time thing.
Then they hung in there, and then they've established supply lines, and now there's 200,000 plus residents in that region, the Kursk region, that have been displaced.
So what do you got?
You got a lot of population upset about this, right?
So now you got more news internally that isn't a good thing for Putin.
He's always worried about, you know, sort of popular unrest like any dictator would be.
And so, I mean, it is fascinating.
And they've been, you know, they've been using U.S. and NATO munitions So remember there was a first two years, the Biden White House was like, nope, you can't use U.S. munitions for striking targets inside of Russia.
And then recently, it was, okay, just along the border.
And now, you know, fuck it, they're well into the Kursk region.
And, you know, so it's very fascinating.
It's also very worrisome, right?
You've got Belarus has put a third of their military on the border that they have with Ukraine.
And Belarus is run by a guy named Lukashenko, who's basically a Putin puppet.
So, you have to wonder, are they going to try to, you know, stretch Ukraine resources thin?
How long can they hold territory inside Russia?
I mean, I would argue that basically this is a ploy, and it seems like that's the way it's playing out with some comments from Zelensky over the past couple of days, that it's a move to try to strengthen their hand, you know, force Putin to the table to come up with some type of negotiated settlement, right?
And Zelensky came out and said, look, I've got a proposal that I'm going to present to Biden or whomever's in charge at the UN General Assembly Week in September, I think it is, in New York.
And he's being more open about now in the past day or so of talking about how this move into Russia is all about creating a better negotiating situation for them.
And he's right, right?
The only way you get Putin to the table And get something meaningful for Ukraine is if he's feeling pain.
And this is causing him some pain, right?
This is causing him to kind of rethink strategy, to worry about, again, sort of internal some dissent.
So it's a fascinating time.
joe rogan
Now, Trump has said that he can solve this quick.
mike baker
In the first day.
First day in office.
joe rogan
How is that possible?
mike baker
I don't think it is.
I mean, look, he speaks in hyperbole, right?
So he's just doing that again.
He's just like, I'm going to solve this problem.
But that's a self-inflicted wound because then it gives the Democrats a chance to say, well, he's just talking crazy.
joe rogan
Also, if he gets into office and he doesn't solve it in a day, then it's more of a problem.
unidentified
Yeah.
mike baker
I mean, maybe it takes him two days, in which case, you know, he'll be criticized.
joe rogan
He really would be.
A full 24 hours after he promised, yeah.
mike baker
Once again, he lied.
joe rogan
Do you think it's possible to resolve?
Like, what would be the ideal resolution?
mike baker
Well, I think it is possible to resolve it, as long as, again, as long as Putin feels like he needs to find a settlement.
If he was making headway...
Look, don't get me wrong.
They've had some successes in the eastern side of Ukraine, where they've been, you know, making an offensive against the Ukrainian military.
So while the Ukrainian military has been advancing and having some success taking and holding some territory inside Russia, at the same time, they've been having some real difficulties in the Donetsk region and on the eastern side of Ukraine.
And, but if Putin feels sufficient pain, then yeah, he'll, they'll find a settlement.
I think that settlement is going to look frustratingly like what the lines looked like before this whole conflict started.
They're not going to give up, Russia's not going to give up Crimea.
They're not going to pull all their military, all their personnel out of the eastern side of Ukraine.
And so I think at the end of the day, and this will probably frustrate a lot of people who've been putting Ukrainian flags on their Twitter handles and waving flags and saying, we stand with Ukraine.
It's not going to look like Ukraine gets all its territory back.
It's not realistic.
So I think that's what the settlement's going to look like.
But look, I look at this from, there's a lot of people out there, right?
Rightly so, there's a lot of people who dissent with the whole idea of why are we helping Ukraine, right?
I'm not going to wander into that minefield, right?
I'm just looking at it from an operational perspective.
If the US wasn't helping Ukraine, Putin would own Ukraine by now, for sure.
There's just no two ways about it, right?
Even with NATO support, NATO's been very good, EU's been very good.
Without US support, Putin would have Ukraine.
So some people could care less about that.
Okay, it's based on your experiences.
Other people think that's a horrible thing.
And so I don't know, I'm just saying operationally, you know, if you look at it, you go, okay, our decision is we can't afford to lose Ukraine to Putin.
So therefore, we're going to dump a lot of resource and assistance in there.
You know, so, you know, Bob's your uncle.
I personally don't think, you know, Putin's the sort of person who stops when he gets something, right?
His next thought is, okay, now what?
Because he's been very clear.
Just like the Iranians are clear about wanting to destroy Israel, Putin's been talking for years about trying to rebuild the Soviet Union in some fashion, right?
Not the whole thing.
So, you know, I take him at his word.
I think he's pretty serious about it.
But I also get the point why people say, well, holy fuck, why are we spending all this money on Ukraine?
You know, that's why I'm not running for president.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, it is a lot of fucking money, and we have to pay that money.
That money's not, I mean, just printing money, it has consequences.
It's not that simple.
mike baker
You know what I love, though, is I do love Democrats now.
I've heard some Democrats say, well, but actually, look, this is a good thing, and these are Democrats saying, this is a good thing, because...
That money?
Well, in reality, the things that we're providing Ukraine are manufactured by U.S. companies.
So they're making money, and that's a good thing for the economy.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what Eisenhower warned you about, stupid.
mike baker
Exactly.
joe rogan
What the fuck are you talking about?
mike baker
I do love that argument, though.
Well, that's a new tact to take for the Democrats, is to argue on behalf of the military-industrial complex.
joe rogan
It's such a strange way of rationalizing things when the left has always been anti-war.
I mean, that's where things got real weird.
The left has always been pro-free speech and anti-war.
And they're essentially the party that's trying to silence people under the guise of misinformation and disinformation, which a lot of that shit turned out to not be misinformation and not be disinformation.
Especially the COVID stuff with Jay Bhattacharya and Martin Koldoff, all these different people that got Removed from Twitter and censored, Alex Berenson, who's in a lawsuit right now with the Biden administration.
You know, all those people, without Elon Musk buying Twitter, they would essentially have been silenced.
So all these dissenting opinions were legitimate people from Stanford and Harvard, and all these people were labeled as kooks.
Which is just goddamn crazy and very fucking dangerous.
Very fucking dangerous.
You're allowing corporations to dictate what is true and not true, depending upon how it's gonna reflect their bottom line.
mike baker
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that's scary.
mike baker
I think people hate having this pointed out.
I mean, people of a certain persuasion.
When you say things like, you know what, a lot of the things that people on the opposite side, from where the progressives and the left sit, They turn out to be right, right?
Whether it's Hunter Biden's laptop, whether it's the bullshit of the Russian dossier, whether it's issues related to COVID, right?
And the idea that people aren't able to speak their mind, right?
And that somehow the Democrats have decided that they're okay with censorship, because really, the government needs to tell you what's safe to hear.
It's like the Democrats supporting the war and the Republicans questioning whether it's a good idea.
joe rogan
Topsy-turvy.
mike baker
Yeah, it's bass-ackwards.
joe rogan
It's an upside-down world.
mike baker
It's an upside-down world.
That's what I'm trying to say.
joe rogan
Very strange.
It's just strange to see how people just immediately abandon all their principles and side with whatever their party's saying.
That's when you realize that it really is just a tribal thing.
Because the left silencing free speech and the left not recognizing that they were lied to by these corporations because they had originally sided with them and they had made these statements and they don't want to walk these statements back and it's too difficult to say that you were wrong.
And then the pro-war stuff, it's just the whole thing is...
And the fact that...
You didn't have better use for that $175 billion?
You don't think they could have done it to help up?
What about our infrastructure?
What about our inner cities?
That money couldn't have been invested in the United States?
mike baker
Yeah.
You want better policing?
Invest in better training and hiring, right?
More consistent training.
joe rogan
Subsidies for manufacturing, incentives to have manufacturing.
That's something we really should have learned during COVID. Like, oh my god, we're so dependent upon other countries for our goods.
mike baker
Oh, for pharmaceuticals?
joe rogan
Yes, all that stuff.
mike baker
Holy shit.
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yes, it's fucking super difficult to get during COVID. Well, and it's still difficult to get.
mike baker
There's still shortages.
I was reading about, what's it called?
Adderall.
Adderall shortage, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, I think I know why there's an Adderall shortage.
I think some people are taking it that really don't need it.
mike baker
Is that like Ozempic?
They're just, they're just, yeah.
God.
joe rogan
Well, Zempick at least is helping people that are super fat lose weight, which is really important.
We have a gigantic health crisis in this country.
We're eating poisoned food and too much of it, and people are...
I mean, the obesity crisis in this country is unparalleled.
There's never been a time in this country where half the people were technically obese.
And I'm not talking about the body mass index thing either, which is like, I'm obese, according to that.
Are you?
Yeah.
I'm 5'8", not even 5'8".
I'm under 5'8", and I weigh 202 pounds.
I'm fat.
I used to be 5'8".
I'm shrinking.
mike baker
You're shrinking?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Like, disc degeneration, which is what happens to old people.
They're just smaller and smaller.
And I want to deny that I'm older, but goddammit, I'm fucking shrinking.
And my back hurts.
And one of the reasons why my back...
It's like years of jiu-jitsu, too, and weightlifting, but your discs get smaller.
They get smushed-er, and your spinal column gets closer and closer together.
And, like, there was a race car driver, and...
He was one of the guys who did Le Mans back in the day, and they got him in his original race car to take a lap around Le Mans, and he couldn't fit the pedals anymore because he had shrunk four inches since the time that he had...
Because everybody just shrivels up.
mike baker
It's gravity wins.
joe rogan
It's aging.
mike baker
It all happens.
joe rogan
Gravity wins.
mike baker
Yeah, one of my brothers flew jets in Vietnam.
And that fucked up his back.
His discs, good God, the G-forces and all that.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, I couldn't imagine.
But the point is, we have a massive health crisis in this country.
The obesity crisis is really legitimate.
And it's terrifying that it's so prevalent and that no one's doing anything about it.
And this is one of the things that RFK wants to do when he gets into office.
He's talking about seed oils and he's talking about a lot of different things that are like terrible for health that are ubiquitous in our diet and to put some regulations on that stuff and to recognize that these are real issues and to inform people that these are real issues and not just let these big food companies just keep I saw a fucking article today in Time magazine Wait a minute, Time Magazine is still out there?
Time Magazine is still out there.
Wow.
See if you can find this cover, this article.
It was, are super processed foods really bad for you?
mike baker
Oh, fuck.
Seriously.
joe rogan
This is the question.
Instead of saying, wouldn't it be better to eat healthy, which everybody would agree, are super processed foods really that bad for you?
Well, I can help you out there real quick.
mike baker
Yes.
No?
jamie vernon
It says why they are.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
That's not what I saw.
That is not what I saw.
I saw something very different than that, and I can find it.
I'll find it in two seconds.
Hold on.
Give me a second, because I know I saved it, because I was like, what the fuck?
unidentified
Are ultra-processed foods bad for us?
joe rogan
Hold on.
jamie vernon
Here's one that says, what if they aren't as bad as you think?
joe rogan
Here it is.
jamie vernon
From yesterday.
joe rogan
Aren't as bad as you think.
Oh, what if ultra-processed food aren't as bad as you think.
That's it.
Well, they're not!
They're a lot worse.
They're fucking terrible for you.
What kind of bullshit argument is this?
This is real.
They are really bad for you.
mike baker
Jessica is passionate about the pupusas from Costco.
joe rogan
Oh, God, Jessica.
How about have a banana?
Get on the treadmill, you fucking idiot.
Like, what are you talking about?
mike baker
I got a bag of pupusas.
joe rogan
We're eating shit that's really bad for you.
jamie vernon
That's sort of what the next thing says, I guess.
joe rogan
Okay.
It all started in the summer of 2023 when author and infectious disease physician, Dr. Chris Von Tuleken, was promoting his book, Ultra Processed People.
While writing it, Von Tuleken spent a month eating mostly foods like chip soda, bagged bread, frozen food, and cereal.
What happened to me is exactly what the research says would happen to everyone.
Von Tuleken says he felt worse, he gained weight, his hormone levels went crazy, and before and after MRI scans showed signs of changes in his brain.
As Von Tuleken saw it, the experiment highlighted the terrible emergency of society's love affair with ultra-processed foods.
mike baker
Okay, but this next part is also really Wilson.
joe rogan
Who specialized in working with clients from marginalized groups, oh, marginalized groups, was irked.
She felt that Von Tuleken's experiment was Over-sensationalized.
That news coverage of it shamed people who regularly eat processed food.
Shamed them.
mike baker
That's what you got.
joe rogan
That kind of fucking language drives me goddamn crazy.
In other words, the vast majority of Americans, particularly the millions who are food insecure or have limited access to fresh food, they also tend to be lower income and people of color.
Yeah, they fucking covered the whole spectrum.
mike baker
Wilson felt the buzz ignored this food apartheid.
joe rogan
Food apartheid!
Fucking crazy!
As well as the massive diversity of foods that can be considered ultra-processed, a category that includes everything from vegan meat replacements, which by the way, are really fucking bad for you, and non-dairy milks, which by the way, are really fucking bad for you.
To potato chips and candy, which, by the way, are really fucking bad for you.
How can this entire category of foods be something we're supposed to avoid?
Because it's not fucking food!
It's not nutritious food!
And if you eat non-nutritious food, you get fucking sick.
Imagine, like, linking that to racism and inequality.
mike baker
It also said she got 80% of her calories from processed foods.
unidentified
Yeah, I'd like to see what that lady looks like naked.
joe rogan
Oh, it was an experiment.
mike baker
Oh, okay.
unidentified
Just an experiment for 40 years.
mike baker
I'm still running with data.
joe rogan
I'm experimenting with cheeseburgers today.
And I'm going to have an experimental coke.
mike baker
It marginalizes and shames people.
joe rogan
Marginalizing?
That kind of fucking language is so divisive.
mike baker
I will say there's obviously a problem with, what do they call them, food deserts, right?
Yes, absolutely.
With the inability of communities to access fresh foods, there's no doubt about it.
If you want to eat healthy, it can cost more.
joe rogan
Right, but the solution is not to not tell people those foods are bad.
The solution is to try to figure out maybe some of that $175 billion could have helped.
You know how many free meals they could have given people?
Free, healthy meals with $175 billion?
If you really cared, the problem with this is a real problem.
Those foods are delicious.
mike baker
Oh, they are delicious.
joe rogan
Cool Ranch Doritos and a nice cold Coca-Cola on ice.
mike baker
McDonald's sausage McGriddle.
joe rogan
Oh, my goodness.
Now you're talking my language.
Those fucking McGriddles are delicious.
It's a dessert with sausage in it.
mike baker
I'm going to tell you a quick story.
I won't bore you with this one.
Well, I will probably bore you with this one.
I was in the airport in DFW, Dallas-Fort Worth Airport.
I was transiting through the airport with my wife.
Thank God she was there.
And we're kind of running to get to the flight to go to Puerto Rico.
I was going to give a speech there.
We hadn't had anything to eat all morning.
And so we passed by McDonald's and I go, God damn it, I'm just gonna, you know, stop.
You know, I'll just get a quick thing.
So I got a sausage McGriddle.
And I take a bite of it as we're kind of dashing towards the next flight.
And I took a bite and I thought, Oh no, no.
It tastes too good, right?
Like I can't eat this whole thing because I have this mentality that says I'm gonna have to throw this away, right?
Because it's so damn good, I'm gonna want one every day.
And so I literally tossed the rest of it in there.
That was the last thing I'd eaten.
I got on the plane, had the Widowmaker, massive heart attack, went out, right?
They had to get the plane off the tarmac.
joe rogan
Oh, that was when that happened?
mike baker
That was when that happened.
The last thing I had eaten was a bite of that fucking McGriddle.
joe rogan
If you ate the whole thing, you would have survived.
mike baker
If I ate the whole thing, I probably would have been okay.
I couldn't believe it.
So I haven't had anything like that ever since.
joe rogan
God, they're so good, though.
mike baker
I remember it.
Still to this day, I remember it.
joe rogan
McGriddles are fucking delicious.
mike baker
Crazy.
joe rogan
They're so good.
If I'm just going to have a cheat meal of a breakfast food, I'm going McGriddle all the way.
They nailed it.
I know it's bad for you.
I'm not saying you should eat it, but god damn it's good.
They knocked that one right out of the fucking park.
There's something about the cheese with the sausage and the...
mike baker
The syrup in the...
joe rogan
Yes!
mike baker
The muffin thing.
joe rogan
In the muffin thing.
God damn it.
mike baker
I know.
joe rogan
It's a beautiful invention.
jamie vernon
Someone online took the McGriddles and went to Chick-fil-A and got a chicken breast and put it in the middle.
They made like an almost chicken and waffle sandwich.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that must be incredible.
jamie vernon
Sounds really good.
joe rogan
What a great idea.
mike baker
I'm going to make a note of that.
joe rogan
What a great idea.
Chick-fil-A is so good that even gays buy it.
They know that the Chick-fil-A people don't like the gays, and they're like, I don't give a fuck.
Give me that Chick-fil-A. I would like to know how many of the gays avoid Chick-fil-A. I bet it's like a very small percentage.
They're like, fuck these people.
They make a hell of a chicken sandwich.
mike baker
God damn it.
I should be more upset than I am.
joe rogan
It's too good.
It's too good.
mike baker
Where are we going to go?
joe rogan
They're so good, they close on Sundays and no one gives a fuck.
mike baker
Yeah.
No, they don't.
joe rogan
They're like, we don't even want that Sunday money, which would be...
Billions of dollars!
mike baker
I know.
joe rogan
They pass on billions of dollars of profit.
mike baker
One-seventh of a potential revenue stream for the week, and they just throw it to the curb.
joe rogan
And one of the most successful fast food chains in the country.
And they're like, nope, we like Jesus more than we like money.
mike baker
And the gays are saying, we're not really into the gays.
We like Chick-fil-A more than we care about.
joe rogan
I went into a Chick-fil-A the other day, and the fella that was serving me, I have a feeling that fella might have been a part of the Alphabet Posse.
mike baker
Really?
joe rogan
Yep.
And he's working at the Chick-fil-A. So maybe he doesn't care.
mike baker
Or he's an asset, right?
They put him in there.
joe rogan
He's an intelligence asset.
Or maybe.
That could be.
Or maybe he's like Uncle Tom.
You know, that kind of a deal.
mike baker
They probably don't use that term.
joe rogan
It'll be Uncle Bruce.
Remember Bruce used to be a name for gay guys?
It's not really anymore.
mike baker
It's not.
It wasn't in Australia, because everybody's a Bruce or a Sheila.
So you couldn't do that.
But you know what else?
Well, never mind.
I was about to start talking about words you can't say.
I got in trouble with my kids because I was driving down the road and I said something and the oldest boy was like, Dad, I don't think we can say that anymore.
And I said, really?
And then I found myself like George Carlin driving in the truck with all three of the boys just reeling off words and they were horrified.
Because they've grown up now in this environment, right?
joe rogan
This woke environment.
We didn't have that shit.
I'll tell you what, they don't have that in Texas.
High school kids are the most unwoke kids I've ever been around in my fucking life.
It's crazy listening to these kids talk.
They're saying wild shit because it's a rebellion.
So they're like little punk rockers.
mike baker
It's also crazy to hear them talk because they've invented a whole new fucking language.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
mike baker
Like, skibbity.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, skibbity!
mike baker
What the hell skibbity?
joe rogan
Exactly!
mike baker
What is, what is, do you know?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't know.
Also, Sigma.
mike baker
Sigma?
Yeah, I've heard that.
joe rogan
They say Sigma, which apparently is cool, I think.
It's confusing?
You're so sigma?
mike baker
Yeah, I think sigma is good.
joe rogan
I think it's good?
mike baker
I'm confused over what skibbity is, but there's a whole language.
Gyat.
joe rogan
I like sus.
I like they say sus.
mike baker
Oh, here we go.
joe rogan
Do you understand the meaning of skibbity?
Skibbity is a term relating to restlessness, paranoia, and inescapable dread.
mike baker
What?
joe rogan
I don't think they're using it the right way.
mike baker
That doesn't sound right.
joe rogan
It could also mean good or best.
mike baker
I've heard skibbity toilet come out of a couple of my kids.
joe rogan
Oh boy, the best shit?
They took a skibbity toilet?
mike baker
What the hell is skibbity toilet?
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
What does that mean?
Page not found.
Too hard.
The government is censoring this skibbity information.
mike baker
This is not good.
Skippy, Ohio.
joe rogan
Rizzler?
mike baker
Rizzler.
Rizz.
I know about this.
joe rogan
What's that?
mike baker
Rizz is when you got game.
When you're a player.
joe rogan
Charisma.
mike baker
When you're a player.
Charisma.
That's right.
joe rogan
There's slang for charisma and a Rizzler has a lot of charisma.
Oh, I want to be a Rizzler.
jamie vernon
There's that kid.
That's his name.
mike baker
Oh, wait.
The Rizzler.
The little kid.
jamie vernon
The little kid.
mike baker
He's always doing like this.
He's always kind of like looking at the camera going like that.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I like that.
mike baker
My kids have pointed that out to me.
joe rogan
I like some of that.
mike baker
There he is.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at that fella.
mike baker
And his buddy, Justice, I think is his buddy's name.
joe rogan
Unstoppable defense alignment.
mike baker
Look at him.
joe rogan
I like he's got the pose.
mike baker
He's got the wrist, right.
joe rogan
He's a little concerned.
I'm quite concerned.
mike baker
He looks like a Jersey mob boss in a way.
joe rogan
Like a son of a Jersey mob boss.
mike baker
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Like John Gotti V. Yeah, so they...
mike baker
Yeah, but going back to that fucking thing about processed foods, that sort of shit is what I hate because you're absolutely right.
Rather than try to help people by talking the truth...
God forbid, right?
We say, well, we've got to protect them.
We don't want to shame them.
We don't want to marginalize them.
So instead of talking and saying, look, we know that you have, you know, that it costs more or whatever, but here's the honest to God's truth about it.
These foods are, it's a slow walk to death, right?
unidentified
Right.
mike baker
And so, yeah, but, you know, I think there's...
What's her name?
She's going to be doing an interview tomorrow night.
We've talked about it.
joe rogan
Dana Bash?
mike baker
Kamala Harris?
No, Harris.
Kamala Harris.
You had a Biden moment.
See, that's why I can't criticize Biden.
joe rogan
You need creatine.
mike baker
I walk along.
I do need creatine.
But anyway, so she talks about these price controls on food as if somehow that magically is going to sort problems out.
It will just make this whole issue of access to food worse.
It just fucks things up in terms of the supply chain.
And so that's why, I mean, she's not doing it, but her team is already walking this back, an idea that she had just thrown out at the DNC. We're going to do this.
The other bullshit, all these other ideas, but $25,000 for first-time homebuyers.
joe rogan
What are they doing in California?
Have you seen this proposal to give loans to illegal immigrants?
mike baker
Yeah.
I saw a top line headline for it.
joe rogan
Are they just flat out buying votes?
Like, what are you doing when you're doing that?
mike baker
Well, what are you doing when you cancel debt for students, right?
joe rogan
But what about the citizens that want home loans?
Yeah.
You're incentivizing people to be illegal aliens, is what you're doing.
100% full stop.
If you allow that, you're incentivizing people to become illegal aliens.
mike baker
Well, you're also incentivizing people to raise the price of their home.
You tell me that we've got a program now to give $25,000 to first-time homebuyers.
Now, suddenly, my $300,000 house is $325,000.
Thank you very much.
joe rogan
Exactly.
It's a nonsense proposal.
All these things, they're saying it just to win the election.
And that's why they're walking them back so quickly as soon as people push back against it.
There's a wild thrashing going on right now publicly.
And it's so fascinating to watch them just trying to lick their finger and find out which way the wind's blowing.
mike baker
Which is what they're doing.
They're throwing ideas against the wall.
Normally you would do that behind closed doors and come up with a platform with all your policies.
You still go to their website.
They still don't have their platform with all their policies and what we're going to do for major issues of the day.
So instead, they're just throwing this shit on the wall in public.
And if the public likes it, then they stick with it.
If they don't, like with the price controls or the EV idea, then they back it off, right?
In full view, as if we're just supposed to go with it.
joe rogan
And a lot of people do.
And a lot of people do.
The blind allegiance towards your party is so real, particularly from the Democrat side.
It's so fucking real.
At least Republicans have a thing called a rhino.
Right?
Republican in name only.
mike baker
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
So at least they're suspicious of people that aren't, like, they seem to think that there's some infiltrators into the organization.
They're not entirely on board with everything that all the Republicans agree with, and they'll have some infighting about that.
mike baker
Well, we got all sorts of categories now.
We got the Never Trumpers, right?
We got them.
Outfits like the Lincoln Project, which as far as I can tell is just a grift, right?
These guys have just figured out that there's cash to be made by lining up with the Democrats, right?
And we can get all sorts of donations by saying, look, we're former Republicans and we'd never want Trump, right?
There's money in those hills, right?
You can mine that for a while and they've managed to.
joe rogan
Especially politicians.
mike baker
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Which are not exactly the most...
I mean, there's some fucking shenanigans going on there, I don't have to tell you.
It's like, these aren't the people that are like...
mike baker
Sad speculation again.
joe rogan
...the most character-driven statements.
Yeah.
They're not like...
mike baker
Oh, God.
But you can't...
I guess I get cynical because I don't see how it changes.
I look around and I think, well, how does it get any better, I guess is the question, right?
And it's certainly not going to get better in the next...
Short-term cycle right and I maybe Maybe if well, I don't know I don't know how you I don't know how you get people out of the trenches right now It's like World War one and you get them to kind of stand up and at least make a little bit of move towards each other and Say okay, we gotta we gotta figure this shit out.
We got a lot of serious problems There's more crises overseas right now that we had in a very long time shit that could really really Get fucked up pretty quick, right?
Whether it's what's going on in Russia and, you know, something happens, the next thing you know, Putin decides, ah, fuck it, you guys are lobbing U.S. missiles deeper into Russia.
I think it's time for us to, you know, deploy something.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike baker
And whether it's that or whether it's Xi Jinping deciding, screw it.
joe rogan
Time to go into Taiwan.
mike baker
Time to go into Taiwan.
We don't even know who's running the White House, so let's give it a go.
I don't know.
And you've got the Middle East, which I think people always assumed, well, that's a self-contained problem.
It's just there.
The chance for that to go sideways, you know, right now, right?
I mean, if they're successful in, you know, encircling Israel, by meaning that, you know, they dump enough weapons into the West Bank and they get some of their militant elements there to take, suddenly you got a three-front war with Israel?
At some point, there's going to be some really undue pressure on any US administration to step in.
That shit gets ugly.
We got thousands of people crossing the border who probably have really bad nefarious intent that we don't even know who they are.
Millions, but I'm just saying, in terms of actual people who may be on the terror watch list, you got a lot of people who have come across.
The vetting that goes on on the southern border is minimal at best.
They don't have access to international databases.
It's not like they're getting people crossing in from China or crossing in from, you know, Turkey or Pakistan or, you know, I'm not picking on any particular country, but pick a spot and work with those home country liaison personnel to say, what do you got on these people, right?
They simply are checking to see whether they're listed in the U.S. criminal database.
And if they're not, it's like, fine, here's your appointment.
You know, we'll see you in court in a year and a half or whatever.
You're free to go.
joe rogan
It's not even a year and a half.
It's like five years.
mike baker
Five years, yeah.
It's really sad.
There's tens of thousands of kids they can't account for.
And again, the White House or the Harris team wants to act as if she had nothing to do with anything.
joe rogan
She was the border czar.
Remember when they tried to say that she wasn't the border czar?
mike baker
The same people who called her the Borders are on TV. But this is what's so crazy is that they don't know that they said that?
joe rogan
Do they not know that people are going to find it and they're going to post it?
Do they think that somehow or another those videos are hidden from the public?
mike baker
I think, again, they don't care.
They understand, I think, that most Americans have a very short attention span.
And we live in a world where you can ride out just about any storm.
joe rogan
Right?
mike baker
I mean, and redemption is just around the corner, right?
I mean, you know, look, what's his name?
Jeffrey Toobin whacks off on, you know, a Zoom call.
It wasn't that long ago, really, in the scheme of things.
joe rogan
He was off TV for like a year.
mike baker
Yeah, now he's back.
unidentified
Now he's back.
mike baker
You know, so, you know, that gives hope to all those people out there who can't control themselves.
God, that was a weird...
I suspect he's not the only one, right?
joe rogan
Oh, they dropped like flies.
It was a big problem.
That's the problem with working from home.
You had a camera on a guy with a computer in a locked office.
mike baker
Yeah.
But I mean, I've never been on a Zoom call where I felt like that was...
That ever, you know, you're not like...
joe rogan
Well, it makes you wonder, like, how...
What kind of control do you have over your life if you have to whack off so bad that you do it in the middle of the day while you're on a call?
unidentified
On a call.
joe rogan
You don't even wait till the call end.
mike baker
Alright, now, Bob's gonna run through the second quarter numbers.
Oh, fuck yeah.
Second quarter fucking numbers.
joe rogan
What is in your mind, you fucking psychopath?
mike baker
Oh, God.
joe rogan
It's weird.
But it also just shows you that these people that are holding themselves up to be these, like, moral authorities.
No, you're just a fucking pervert.
You're just another nut.
mike baker
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Another nut who's putting on a mask when you get on television and pretending you're something great.
unidentified
Yeah.
mike baker
So I think that's what it is.
I think there's this sense that it doesn't matter, right?
You can say anything, you can get away with it, because people aren't going to really care at the end of the day.
joe rogan
Right.
mike baker
And, you know, so while common sense would make you think, well, I'm sure actually they'll be, you know, they'll be fact-checking themselves, and they'll be thinking about these things, and they'll be more reflective and more analytical.
That's just, that's all bullshit.
It doesn't actually work that way.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's all bullshit.
Yeah, yeah.
It's all bullshit.
mike baker
But I think that there will be, I think, I don't know.
I'm just thinking about the aftermath of the election.
joe rogan
Well, I'm scared.
What I'm scared is that people become accustomed to the fact that the president's not in control of the government anymore and that that's okay.
That's a scary thing, too, because whether you like Biden or don't like Biden, like Trump or don't like Trump, at least you attributed the commander-in-chief.
You were like, that's the guy.
That's the president.
And now it's like, well, if he's not the president, because he keeps going on vacation now.
He's not even talking anymore.
He's probably disgruntled.
And we got a bunch of months to go, kids.
We're sitting here talking in August.
We got whole of September, whole of October.
Into November with no president.
mike baker
Yeah.
And again, you know, I guarantee there won't be that question tomorrow night with one of the two potential successors to be the leader of the free world, supposedly.
That question won't exist.
It won't be, well, who?
Tell me about the decision-making process.
If the president some time ago said that, or the White House said that he's really good from 10 to 4, you know, 10 a.m.
to 4 p.m., And things don't get better over time.
They get worse.
How is he doing now?
And if that's the case, what's the decision-making process like at the White House?
And what kind of role are you playing in it?
And by the way, can we ask one more time, when did you know that he was in decline, and were you just telling the American public the complete opposite?
He's not fucking Sharper's attack.
So when did you know that, and what was the decision process around that in terms of deceiving the American public?
joe rogan
How did they go with him even back in 2020?
How did they do that?
How did they not see what everybody saw?
How was that the best option to win?
mike baker
It wasn't as bad, to be fair.
joe rogan
It was not as bad.
mike baker
But it was bad.
Well, you could kind of predict it, right?
Oh, I predicted it.
joe rogan
I saw it coming.
I was like, come on, man.
He's not going to get better.
He's not as good as he used to be.
Yeah.
When he was the vice president, he was way better.
mike baker
Yeah.
I'm not as good as I once was.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike baker
I'm as good once as I ever was.
Thank you, Toby Keith.
Yeah, I think he was the safe bet, right?
They certainly weren't going to go with Sanders.
They already kicked him out once four years before.
joe rogan
Yeah, they weren't going to go with Sanders.
But there's a lot of other people that could have stepped up.
There's a lot of governors who could have...
I mean, Bill Clinton kind of came out of nowhere.
mike baker
Yeah.
Yeah, but, you know, Bill Clinton, yeah, that's true.
That's true.
But it was, I would also argue, even that recent time, it was a different time, right?
joe rogan
Well, not only that, but I think Clinton probably wouldn't have won if it wasn't for Ross Perot.
I think Ross Perot, a lot of people who were more conservative, right-leaning, went with Ross Perot.
And afterwards, they changed the whole criteria for being involved in the debates.
Because they're like, we can't have this happen again.
mike baker
They've got to shift that game.
joe rogan
Yeah, the whole Commission for Presidential Debate shifted, which is, by the way, a privately funded thing, which is crazy, too.
mike baker
I think there's also this upcoming debate.
Look, one of the things that Trump should be very thankful for is the rules that they established for that first debate with Biden, the only debate with Biden, where they said, okay, we're going to cut the microphones off, you're not allowed to speak.
That worked like a charm.
joe rogan
It did.
mike baker
Kept him in check.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike baker
And so I'm not sure whether that's the case for the 10th September debate with Harris, but it does look like now her campaign team is arguing that she should be able to have notes, right?
And they didn't have notes previously, right?
They were just like, show up.
unidentified
She needs notes.
mike baker
She needs notes.
So I think they're pushing for that.
joe rogan
Let me tell you something as a comedian.
Notes are not good.
Here's the problem with notes.
You know you have those notes.
So you're thinking about those notes while you're talking.
And you go to those notes, you think about the...
I mean, you can write notes while you're debating.
Like, they gave them a pad.
You're allowed to write things down, but it's a blank pad.
But if you have those notes, you're gonna be looking for them, and that's an added distraction.
You gotta be so dialed in that you don't need those fucking notes.
Especially on television.
Because the pressure is clearly something that gets to her.
mike baker
Yeah, that laugh comes out.
joe rogan
Well, it doesn't come out in debate, but she's much better at talking if you don't have pressure and lights on her.
I know people that know her that say she's intelligent.
So it could be that she locks up when she has to talk, which is a real thing.
People, they freak out also.
Imagine the kind of criticism that lady experiences on a daily basis.
If she just reads comments on Twitter, her fucking head would spin, right?
So all day long, she knows how many people hate her, how many people think she's a nincompoop, how many people think she's terrible.
mike baker
You could say the same thing for Trump, though.
joe rogan
100%, but it obviously doesn't affect him.
unidentified
It doesn't affect him, that's true.
joe rogan
He's used to being famous.
mike baker
Fair enough, yeah.
joe rogan
He's been famous his whole life, so for him, he's like, just fucking water off the duck's back.
mike baker
But she's been in the limelight for a long time.
joe rogan
Yeah, but she ain't good at it.
mike baker
She ain't good at it.
joe rogan
Some people are not good at it.
There's a lot of people that are famous forever and the anxiety accentuates over time.
Yeah.
It heightens.
It gets worse.
mike baker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because now the pressure of all these people hating them actually starts to freak them out.
mike baker
You know, it sounds like you're going to vote for her.
joe rogan
Is that what it sounds like?
That's what MSNBC did.
You know what MSNBC did?
Do you know that?
mike baker
No.
joe rogan
They took a clip of me talking well about Tulsi Gabbard, and they tried to attribute it to Kamala Harris.
They edited it, and they posted it on their TikTok.
mike baker
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, and then my stepdad called me up because he texted me that he was glad that I was suing MSNBC because there's this article that I'm suing them.
I was like, I'm not suing them.
But they did do that.
They did do that.
mike baker
I saw that part that people were losing their minds because they said you had endorsed RFK Jr. Yeah.
joe rogan
They like him.
mike baker
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's all I said.
I said he speaks reasonably and he talks about the issues.
He doesn't attack people.
I think we could all use more of that in this world.
That's all I fucking said.
mike baker
Shocking statement.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And they're like, he's endorsing.
He's endorsing.
mike baker
See, they want you to have a side.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
mike baker
And again, going back to what you said, it's tribal.
But okay, you know what?
Hey, I'm glad to hear that people that know her are saying she's intelligent because one of them is going to win.
And so for the good of the country...
joe rogan
She's got to have some intelligence to have climbed the ladder the way she climbed the ladder.
Like at least some intelligence knowing Willie Brown's a good guy to become friends with.
I mean, she's got to have, there's no way you get that far without something going on.
I just think she's real bad at talking.
mike baker
Yeah.
joe rogan
And especially talk, well, real good in that one speech, though.
That was another thing people got mad at me.
Because I was talking about how great that speech was.
Because it was fucking great.
Say it to my face!
mike baker
And the whole place went, yeah!
But if you've got a teleprompter, and you've rehearsed it, and you've got speech instructors there talking to you, Emphasize this.
Try it again.
Try it one more time.
unidentified
Of course you're going to give a great speech.
mike baker
You're going to give a knockout speech.
joe rogan
That's all people need.
mike baker
But that's not critical thinking.
It's not the ability to analyze.
It's not the ability to make quick decisions.
It's not the ability to show leadership.
And that's all of those things.
And again, people will keep going the same thing every time I say this.
Trump!
Look, I'm not talking about Trump right now.
I'm talking about over here.
I'm talking about the other contender.
And I don't know.
And more than that, I just worry about the policies that, again, they haven't enunciated many of them, but I do worry about what they've thrown against the wall so far.
joe rogan
Yeah.
A lot of these socialist-leaning ideas are very disturbing.
And there's another thing that she's talked about, about equity as opposed to equality, and literally talking about equal outcomes, which is fucking insane.
That's insane talk that doesn't work, because you're not going to have equal effort.
The whole reason why this country works, the whole reason why capitalism works, is because of competition.
That competition should be fair, but there is a reason why some people succeed more than others, and a lot of it has to do with effort.
There's a lot of luck involved, there's a lot of nepotism involved, but also hard work.
And if you want to have equality of outcome, you're going to have no incentive for people to work hard.
mike baker
You know what, to that point, my youngest boy, Muggsy, was telling me, he came home from school, this was towards the end of last year, And he was kind of chuckling to myself.
I said, what are you laughing about?
He goes, oh god, it was funny.
And he talks just like this.
He says, it was very funny.
He says, we had a project in class where the teacher, I forget which subject it was, but anyway, the teacher handed out A paper, a test.
And he explained, okay, here's a test.
I know it's a snap test.
I know you guys weren't expecting it.
You know, just, you know, but I want you to, you know, do your best.
He says, and, you know, you weren't expecting it, so I'm going to take all the scores and I'm going to average them out, right?
And that'll be, you know, how you do.
So my boy sits in the back there and just doesn't do fuck off.
He got like one question answered and he was like, well, fuck it.
Because he's smart enough to think, all right, you know, fine.
If all we're going to do is take all the results and smoosh them together and everyone's going to...
unidentified
That's so crazy.
mike baker
Yeah.
And so there were some people in there that were really pissed off, which was the teacher's point.
Right?
unidentified
Right.
mike baker
And when they found out what had happened, because they had really tried it, and they had gotten very good grades, and then there's Jack with like a two out of a 100, and he gets the same result that they did.
Exactly.
He was like, look at me!
So he said, no effort, I got what you got.
But he saw it, right?
And I thought, well, I'm not sure whether I'm proud of that or not, but I think it's entertaining.
joe rogan
Well, if he's not dumb, and he doesn't like the class, and he thought it'd be fun to just like get a good grade by doing nothing, he gamed the system.
mike baker
He gamed the system.
joe rogan
And the system sucks.
mike baker
Which is how this whole thing would work when you talk about, you know, equal...
At the end of the day...
joe rogan
It's just nonsense talk, and it's only talk for voters.
It's talk to try to get people who aren't doing well to say, well, with her, I'm going to do well.
Everything's going to be fine.
mike baker
Look what they're giving me.
They're canceling my debt.
Oh, they're talking about canceling my debt.
They're talking about giving me a first-time home payment.
They're talking about sticking it to the rich people.
They're talking about price controls.
They're talking about rent controls.
joe rogan
Good guy.
mike baker
We start doing all that shit.
You think the economy has some issues?
I mean...
joe rogan
No one who's an economic advisor thinks that's a good idea.
No one who understands the economy.
mike baker
I mean, I think that one thing that they're obviously Probably somewhat happy about, they gotta be happy about it, is that moving into the election, you know, it does look like the Fed's gonna cut rates, right?
And I'm sure there's gonna be a lot of people on the right who are gonna say, oh, of course, the Fed's doing that for political reasons, right?
joe rogan
Well, it's good for the country.
mike baker
It's good for the country, yeah.
And that's where we've gotten away to.
joe rogan
Interest rates are fucking crazy right now.
mike baker
Oh, God.
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're crazy.
Home buying, car loans, everything.
It's fucking nuts.
mike baker
Yeah.
And that's another problem.
You talk about, you know, sort of the perception.
Everybody's got...
Not everybody.
That's not right.
But right now, the perception of the economy is it sucks, right?
It's not good.
It's not good.
I'm not comfortable.
I'm not saving money.
I'm spending more money on everything.
But for the past year or so, you've had the White House telling them just the opposite.
unidentified
Right?
mike baker
Things are looking good.
We're really doing well.
And so there's this lack of credibility that exists, not just from the White House or from this particular administration.
I guess a bigger point is people just don't have a lot of trust in a lot of things related to the government.
They don't believe they're politicians.
They don't believe they're government agencies.
I mean, look at everybody talking about it.
We've got to disband the FBI. We've got to shut down the Secret Service.
No, the Secret Service didn't do any favors for themselves.
Holy fuck.
joe rogan
But yeah, the CIA, they're talking about getting rid of the IRS. Okay, and substituting it with what?
mike baker
Yeah, what are you going to do?
joe rogan
Yeah, what?
You're going to rebuild it from the ground up?
You don't think you're going to have the same problems?
mike baker
Yeah.
joe rogan
And what are you going to do with all the things that they're investigating overseas?
What are you going to do?
What are you going to do?
What are you going to do with all the national security threats?
mike baker
Yeah, we're going to tear down, we've got to shut down the CIA. Okay, so you think we live in a benevolent world, right?
You think that, okay, of course, it's a human endeavor, so it can always stand improving.
joe rogan
Of course.
mike baker
And same with all the other government agencies out there.
joe rogan
With everything.
mike baker
Yeah, but you've got this idea that you've got to tear institutions down because you're pissed off about, you know, Whatever it might be.
joe rogan
Let me ask you this when you're speaking of that.
One of the things that Trump said was that he was, I think it was Pompeo that talked him into not releasing the Kennedy files.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And he, Trump said that if you saw what they showed me, you wouldn't release it either.
mike baker
Yeah, I know.
I saw all of that.
And honest to God, I don't have a secret that I can reveal.
joe rogan
But what do you think it is, though?
When you hear things like that, do you get concerned?
What's in there?
mike baker
I mean, to me, it sounds a little bit like, you know, National Treasure, that movie with Nicolas Cage, where, you know, the secret book that they have, and they open the book, and they read what all the presidents have told them about things.
You should watch it.
It's actually a very funny movie.
But, yeah, what do I think it means?
I don't know.
Is Trump speaking in hyperbole, or is there some...
joe rogan
Well, there's got to be a reason why they don't want to release it.
mike baker
Well, yeah.
joe rogan
So what could a reasonable reason be?
mike baker
Yeah, I think part of it is...
I think that there's this tendency on the government's part.
Once they classify anything, it's really tough to get them to back off of that.
It's really tough to get them to declassify information.
I would argue they should, right?
At this point, nobody is still alive, right?
And so you would think at this point, they'd say, ah, okay, fine.
There can't be a sources and methods issue here, right?
They can't be like, well, we're worried about if we open up this file, even if there's not like some smoking gun that said, You know, they did it, right?
But even if it's just on the margins, like Lee Harvey Oswald went down to Mexico.
We know that because, you know, meet with the Russian embassy down there.
We know that because we had an asset who, you know, reported on it from inside the Russian embassy, whatever it may be.
They're all dead.
Right?
So I would argue just, yeah, fucking declassify it, let it go.
So I don't know.
I don't have a good explanation for it.
joe rogan
But what if it says that the CIA killed Kennedy?
mike baker
If it says that, and it's backed up, then that's a come-to-Jesus meeting for me.
joe rogan
Literally.
mike baker
I'm probably going to have to rethink my position on a lot of things.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I think that's what they're worried about.
And if that's what he's saying, and that's what they're actually worried about, that would be a real problem.
It would be a real problem that could undermine a lot of the national security issues that we do have.
mike baker
Oh, fuck yeah.
joe rogan
Sure, absolutely.
And the power that the CIA has.
mike baker
Yeah, if that was the case.
But think about this.
We talked about this before.
I've always felt like the MLK, like Martin Luther King's, was more unsettled.
There was just something from an intuitive point of view, from an investigator's point of view.
joe rogan
And it's not investigated the same way JFK is.
mike baker
Was not, no.
joe rogan
And you don't hear about it the same way you hear about JFK. Right.
mike baker
And it was more of a...
There was more of a sort of a local thing, right?
You just felt like there was more of an element of, I don't know, various local players engaged in it.
Local police, state police, whatever it might be.
And possibly federal side.
It was just something unsettling about that whole incident.
So Yeah, I mean, look, any of these things would significantly undermine, past where it is now, I mean, already people have distrust, but...
joe rogan
But if it was proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the CIA killed Kennedy, that would be a giant issue.
mike baker
It'd be a giant issue.
And then...
joe rogan
That would be to me...
mike baker
Then what happens?
Then what do you do?
Then at that point, who knows?
Because look, I'll be honest with you.
Look, the agency...
Of course, I'm going to say what everybody expects me to say.
The agency, and I can only speak from that point of view.
I can't talk about the Bureau or Secret Service or others, but the agency does some tremendous work in pursuit of protecting national security interests.
joe rogan
I believe that.
And I believe that most of the people that are involved are patriots.
mike baker
Yeah, but I will say, if that were to be proven without a doubt, because they declassified that paperwork, none of that shit's going to matter.
All that good work, right?
All that...
I don't even know where you'd go with it, right?
I mean, the church, you know, they basically wanted to disband the agency at that point, right?
joe rogan
That was in what year was that?
mike baker
That was the 70s, yeah.
And that was, you know, look, Carter put Stansfield-Turner into the agency basically to try to...
You know, I would argue dismantle it, right?
And that was, so there was a period of time when, and also after, of course, after World War II, they just shut down OSS. It was like, yeah, we don't need it, right?
So would that create a moment where the public is saying, fuck this, we don't need it, we'll just maybe, you know, we'll see.
But I guarantee you, something bad would then happen.
And they would say, well, we need to reconstitute it in some fashion.
Let's do it.
joe rogan
Especially if it's publicly known that it's not there anymore and foreign actors know this.
mike baker
You've got to have these organizations.
So that's a hypothetical.
joe rogan
But it's like every organization.
You're going to have bad apples in the organization.
Like cops.
I think cops are overall very important and very good.
But when you have a bad cop...
That bad cop, especially if it's on video, now people think of cops as only being that one bad cop.
mike baker
Right, right.
Defund the police.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And by the way, Kamala Harris.
mike baker
Kamala Harris, yeah.
joe rogan
She was a big part of that.
mike baker
You know what?
This part always surprised me.
Defund the police.
So we don't want as many police on the streets.
Okay, first of all, the logic train on that one, because somehow, what, all the bad guys go away then.
Well, there's no police, so I don't need to commit any crimes.
Everything will be better.
Or we put community people in there, social workers and whatever.
Instead of saying, in a logical fashion, saying, okay, clearly we had some bad eggs, What we need is better police.
What's that going to mean?
That's going to mean more money.
We need to actually fund the police.
You need more training.
The police need more training anyway.
Look at the Secret Service.
Good God.
Those guys, in terms of their amount of actual consistent on-the-job training they get is...
It's minimal at best.
And so it's the same with the police.
The first thing to always go is the training budget, right?
So to me, that never made any sense.
But you're right.
Harris was also on the side of defund the police.
I don't think she would ever bring that up again.
I think that moment in time has passed.
joe rogan
Well, we've seen the disastrous results.
mike baker
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And Tim Wells, speaking of...
You know, look at Minnesota, Minneapolis, right?
That was kind of ground zero for defunding the police.
joe rogan
But at least you put tampons in the boys' room.
mike baker
Yes, you know, because...
Yeah, my God, don't get me started.
That was another thing.
My boys...
All right, boys are constantly...
Thank God for them, because that's how I learned what not to say and get myself in trouble.
joe rogan
Right, you've got to know the temperature of the young kids today.
mike baker
I've got to say, look, is this skibbity or is this not?
unidentified
You know?
What the fuck?
joe rogan
Is this Sigma?
What's going on here?
mike baker
Got the riz going.
joe rogan
Well, Mike, I don't know if we resolved anything.
mike baker
I think we might have a couple of small issues.
What's your prediction?
Can I ask that?
What's your prediction for the election in November?
What do you think is going to happen?
joe rogan
I don't know because I think there's a lot of time between now and then.
And look, someone Whether that guy was acting alone or whether or not he had help, someone tried to kill Trump at least once.
There was an interview where Trump was outside talking to someone and said, I've been told we shouldn't even be out here.
We shouldn't be outside.
There's some issues.
So there's probably other threats.
We know that there was an Iran assassination attempt.
There was something involved in that that was stopped.
I guarantee there's people that want him gone.
And to say now, I know what's gonna happen in November, things change so quickly, and it's so nuts, and our memory's so short, and everything happens so fast, and the news cycle is just flooded with new things constantly.
I don't know what the fuck is gonna happen.
mike baker
Look at the short window of time from Let's go with the 13th of July, the rally when it was shot, through the RNC, right?
From the perception, I was out in Milwaukee for something else, but I was out there during the RNC. Everybody, 100%, was convinced we got this in the bag.
Short period of time later, Harris is supposedly in the lead.
Biden's gone.
He's pushed off the surface there, and she's in.
So you're right.
Between now and then, fucking anything, maybe the aliens visit.
joe rogan
Maybe that's the only thing that's going to save us.
mike baker
The aliens?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Maybe that's the only thing.
I don't even know how I feel about that.
The more I talk about it, the more I feel like someone's lying to me.
The more people I have on that talk to me about aliens, the more I feel like there's some nonsense going on.
There's a layer of nonsense in that stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
mike baker
I saw that interview you did with- Lou Elizondo?
Yeah, Elizondo.
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, if what he's saying is true, pretty fucking fascinating.
There really is something bigger than an oil rig that's going 500 knots underneath the ocean, and they have video of it.
It'd be kind of nice if you released that.
They really do have 4K video of these crafts moving at insane speeds that are very high resolution and you can see exactly what you're looking at.
That'd be nice.
mike baker
I saw his explanation for why they wouldn't was because, well, we don't want to tip off the aliens, you know, that we know about it.
I'm thinking...
joe rogan
Is that the explanation?
mike baker
If we alert the public, then suddenly they'll know about it and they may move up their plans to attack us sooner.
And my thought was, I'm pretty sure if they can...
Build what they're building and move that way.
They probably know what we're doing already, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, and they probably have the ability to stop anything we're trying to do.
We're talking about something that can get here from another galaxy.
I have a feeling they're a little bit more advanced than us.
You know, when you go to the Amazon jungle and you visit an uncontacted tribe, you're not really worried about arrows if you have a tank.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
mike baker
Goddammit, I was promised in the 60s, late 60s, admittedly, I was young, a jetpack.
We're all going to have jetpacks.
joe rogan
Flying cars, remember?
mike baker
Flying cars.
It didn't happen to this day.
I'm still pissed off about it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike baker
Yeah.
But anyway.
joe rogan
Well, can you imagine how bad people drive?
They were just flying around, thinking about that idiot that T-boned you.
Look at that idiot's in the sky, checking his phone, and he slams into you, and you both go crashing into a target.
mike baker
My truck would be a fucking mess at this point.
joe rogan
Both sides.
mike baker
Not just one side.
Both sides.
No.
I think we did solve a couple of things.
joe rogan
I think we had a fun conversation.
That's all I expect.
But I always wanted to get your perspective on things because you're one of the few people that actually knows what they're talking about with these things.
So I appreciate you very much.
mike baker
Thank you.
And if you don't mind me mentioning one more time.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike baker
Thank you for the invite that we had for UFC 303. I took my boy out there.
joe rogan
Nice.
mike baker
He had the time of his life.
He hadn't been to the fights before, and he's a UFC fan, so he knows what he's doing, or he knows the players, and he had a great time out there.
joe rogan
Oh, good.
mike baker
It was a great card.
joe rogan
Glad you had fun.
That was a great card, too.
mike baker
Oh, 303. It looked like it might not be.
joe rogan
Right, but it pulled up.
mike baker
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Pulled up at the end.
mike baker
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Very nice.
mike baker
Yeah, that final one with Pereira was great.
Yeah, God.
joe rogan
That's fucking terrifying.
mike baker
Holy shit.
joe rogan
He's so terrifying.
mike baker
Oh my god.
Yeah.
No, it was really good.
And I thought one of the best ones was, what's her name?
Macy.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, that was a great fight too.
mike baker
Yeah, she did really well.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was a great card.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Anyway, the Vegas fights are always fun.
mike baker
Yeah, but thank you.
joe rogan
I appreciate that.
unidentified
You and your boy had a good time.
joe rogan
My pleasure, brother.
All right.
Tell everybody one more time, your podcast, how to get a hold of everything.
mike baker
Yeah, it's the President's Daily Brief.
It's available on all podcast platforms.
It's twice a day.
You're in, you're out.
We tell you the key things.
We don't take up a lot of your time.
And then Bob's your uncle.
And then we do a weekend show.
And you can find that on our YouTube channel, at President's Daily Brief.
And it's also on the first TV. So we're kind of all over the place.
It's doing very well.
And I think it's doing well because of what we talked about.
It's just the news, right?
joe rogan
Yes.
mike baker
And it's concise.
And it's just the top three or four issues going on at that moment.
But it's just the news.
It's not like some opinion thing where I'm spending a lot of time telling people how to think about it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike baker
You know, I mean, occasionally I might let something slip, but for the most part.
So I think there's an appetite for that.
joe rogan
There certainly is.
There's a thing we were talking about yesterday.
I said the name wrong.
It's the 1440 project, right?
Isn't that what it is?
1440?
This is like objective news.
I get an email.
I'm on the email list.
Yeah, that's it.
mike baker
Okay.
joe rogan
I recommend that.
It's very good.
mike baker
Excellent.
joe rogan
Mike Baker, thank you very much, brother.
mike baker
Appreciate you.
Likewise.
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