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Aug. 28, 2024 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #2196 - Greg Fitzsimmons
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greg fitzsimmons
Headphones?
joe rogan
Why not?
Locks in.
I can't live without the headphones.
Every time someone doesn't want to wear headphones, I'm like, okay.
We don't have to.
You know?
Some people don't want to mess their hair up.
We don't have that problem.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
That's my hat look.
unidentified
It looks good.
joe rogan
I like it.
I like them paperboy hats.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I love those.
My favorite hats.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Well, the reason I do it is because I started wearing hats because after the show, people would take photos with me with my shaved head, and the light would just bounce off my chrome, and you couldn't see me in the photo.
So I realized that I wore baseball caps, but then when you're on stage, it puts a shadow over your face.
joe rogan
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
You can't see your face, so I started wearing these.
joe rogan
Yeah, I love those.
greg fitzsimmons
I like shaving the head, though.
I started during the pandemic...
joe rogan
Yeah, you should have done that a long time ago.
What's that side hair bullshit?
greg fitzsimmons
I know.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
It's nonsense.
greg fitzsimmons
I feel so much better like this.
joe rogan
Also, you have to go to a barber?
What?
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
And listen to some stupid stories?
Oh, shit.
Fuck off.
greg fitzsimmons
Dude, when I was a teenager, there was a place in New York called the Stag Brothers, and there was these two Italian brothers, and they cut hair.
And you go in there, and the reason we all went, like our moms would drop us off out front, we'd go inside, and then they had penthouse magazines while you waited.
So you hoped that you got to wait for a while, and then they'd call you, and you got your little 15-year-old erection, you're trying to hide.
Put the cape over me!
Cover me!
joe rogan
I always felt like barbershops were guys hung out.
That's all just for people who don't play pool.
That was always my thought.
Like, I see what you're doing.
Like, you're getting a guy's place where guys can hang out and just talk.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
But this is not the way to do it.
Because people come in, people you don't know come in, you can't tell some dirty story.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
That seems to be big in the black culture.
I mean, obviously there's those movies, barbershop, but I mean, it really is a place that people hang out.
But now you got cigar.
Do you like hanging out in cigar shops?
joe rogan
Yeah, cigar bars are good.
I like it.
Because it's one of the rare places where you go to a cigar.
I used to love that place, the Grand Havana Room in Beverly Hills.
It's a great room.
greg fitzsimmons
People had their own humidors in there?
joe rogan
Yeah, I had a humidor for a long time.
And you could eat.
Like, nice meals and smoke a cigar.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because it's a private club.
So you could have a steak, some pasta, and you're smoking a cigar at the table and everybody's doing it.
greg fitzsimmons
That's awesome.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was cool.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it was a cool place.
You're like, oh, look at that guy.
Because it was in Beverly Hills.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, it was a power spot.
I remember, like, Michael Rotenberg, remember from Three Arts?
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Dave Becky.
He brought me there once and he had the humidor and he was just pointing up.
He was like, yeah.
That guy owns Warner Brothers.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
That dude has an eight-picture deal over at Columbia.
joe rogan
Yep.
You know who I saw there once when I was kind of a little starstruck?
Remember that dude from...
What is the New York Blues?
What was it?
That NYPD Blue.
Yeah.
Remember NYPD Blue?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
What's the dude's name?
jamie vernon
Jimmy Smits?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
greg fitzsimmons
The first guy.
Jerry Orbach?
joe rogan
The first guy.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah.
Dennis Franz?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
The redheaded guy.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah.
He ended up quitting to get a movie career that never happened.
joe rogan
Fuck, man.
I think they tanked that guy.
Yes.
What the fuck's his name?
The guy was good, man.
greg fitzsimmons
No, he quit because he thought he had a big movie career.
joe rogan
But this is the thing.
unidentified
It didn't happen.
joe rogan
But you can't do that.
What's the guy's name, though?
No, not that guy.
That's Andy Sipowitz.
Or that's the character he played, right?
But the other guy.
Jesus Christ.
greg fitzsimmons
David Caruso?
joe rogan
Is that his name?
No.
That's the guy who produced the show, right?
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, I don't know.
joe rogan
Is that his name?
David Caruso.
It is his name, right?
greg fitzsimmons
Maybe.
joe rogan
What, doesn't it say the cast down there?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yep, that's...
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah, David Caruso.
joe rogan
Oh, it came down hard on him.
It came down hard on him.
That guy should have been a giant movie star.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, he was really good on that show, but if you have that thing where you're like, fuck this, I'm quitting, I'm gonna be a star...
Bro, they want you to fucking fall flat on your face.
They're like, fuck this guy.
There's like 15 more guys like you in theater school right now.
15 more troubled guys from the inner city that have a gritty past and scars on their face.
Go fuck yourself.
And that's what they did to that guy.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, also he's a redhead.
Name a lot of redheaded leading men.
joe rogan
But he could have been the guy!
All the redheads are like, one guy gets cocky!
greg fitzsimmons
We had our guy!
unidentified
We had our guy!
joe rogan
We had our major league.
greg fitzsimmons
We had a shot.
joe rogan
We had our fucking guy, man.
greg fitzsimmons
And instead they started the phrase, the word ginger, and took them all down.
That was brutal.
unidentified
Isn't that crazy?
joe rogan
They were just redheads before then.
It was normal to be a redhead.
You weren't a freak.
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
You were just a person with red hair.
No one cared.
greg fitzsimmons
Now they beat you up.
There's literally like bullying if you're a redhead.
I was a redhead.
joe rogan
Were you really?
greg fitzsimmons
I was a fucking copper top until I was probably about 11. That's so bizarre.
joe rogan
Your hair changed color?
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
joe rogan
How weird is that?
greg fitzsimmons
It happened to my kids, too.
Both my kids were redheads, and their hair changed when they got older.
joe rogan
It's God letting you know I could have fucked you, but I'm going to let you slide.
greg fitzsimmons
It's like he got me in a headlock, and then he let me out.
joe rogan
I'm going to let you go.
jamie vernon
Yeah, right.
unidentified
Ooh.
greg fitzsimmons
He gave me a little dick and then it grew bigger.
unidentified
Oh.
greg fitzsimmons
I remember having a little dick.
joe rogan
Oh no.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, that was the worst feeling when you were a little kid and, you know, you just like...
joe rogan
Well, you see your dad's dick.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're like, what the fuck?
greg fitzsimmons
I know.
joe rogan
What is that thing?
greg fitzsimmons
What the fuck?
unidentified
And why is it always hard?
joe rogan
Men's dicks?
Like, when you're a boy, they're terrifying.
unidentified
Like, ugh.
joe rogan
Like, see some guy pull out his fucking sausage roll when he's pissing right next to you, and you're a little kid, you're like, what the fuck does he do with that thing?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, and his balls are hanging, like, six inches down.
joe rogan
Like, Ari's balls, or Joey Diaz's balls.
Joey Diaz's balls are like grapefruit in an old lady's pantyhose.
Like, what the fuck am I looking at?
Those are your balls?
unidentified
His balls look like him.
joe rogan
Just like cartoonish.
greg fitzsimmons
Just saggy.
joe rogan
Just fucking hilarious.
His balls are hilarious.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh my god.
Balls are hilarious.
unidentified
Joey's balls are hilarious.
greg fitzsimmons
It's amazing that a woman...
Why would they have sex with us?
Our penis is awful.
joe rogan
Everything about us is gross.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
We're not soft.
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
We're not squeezable and lovable.
We're not comforting.
We're grunting.
greg fitzsimmons
We have an agenda.
joe rogan
Thick, dense, heavy thing on top of you that can kill you and you want it to fuck you.
What?
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Why do they trust us?
Trusting us to not kill you?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
Imagine like if every woman could kill you.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
All of them.
Every woman that you ever date can literally just strangle you to death and not a damn thing you could do about it.
That's what it's like being a woman.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, or a gay guy.
joe rogan
Well, gay guys can be strong.
greg fitzsimmons
No, I'm just saying it's weird that there is this accepted power dynamic between a man and a woman when they make love.
Because, like you said, the woman trusts.
But we have two guys.
It's kind of like, I don't know what it's like.
joe rogan
Tell me what it's like.
You know what it's like, son of a bitch.
You were just about to tell me what it was like.
You were about to break.
greg fitzsimmons
You know I almost did once, right?
joe rogan
How close did you get?
greg fitzsimmons
I've told this story on my podcast, but I'll give a brief version of it.
I went, when I was in college, I was an English major and I studied like Allen Ginsberg and Kerouac and all these guys that were into homoerotic stuff.
A lot of them were gay.
And even Emerson and Whitman, like all that old stuff.
It was all gay imagery.
And then there was David Bowie.
I loved David Bowie.
I loved Iggy Pop, Mick Jagger.
And these guys were all fucking around with each other.
And so I was like, alright, this must be Kind of something you do.
You experiment with this.
joe rogan
That's how they get you.
greg fitzsimmons
That's how they get you.
They get a couple mascots.
They get the coolest guy in rock and roll.
Right?
The three coolest guys in rock.
joe rogan
Ziggy Stardust.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
And so I was not attracted to men.
I never have been.
I can appreciate a handsome man.
I think you're not hard on the eyes.
unidentified
Thank you.
greg fitzsimmons
And then I was like, all right, so I guess I'm not going to take it up the ass.
unidentified
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
Maybe kiss a little bit.
No, I didn't even want to do that.
joe rogan
Suck a cock?
greg fitzsimmons
Suck a cock.
And then I realized, like, I'm going to do it, and when I do it, it's either going to be like, ugh, or it's going to be like, oh my god, this is fucking amazing!
unidentified
This is incredible.
joe rogan
This is what I've been missing.
greg fitzsimmons
And so I was drunk one night.
I was like a junior in college.
And my apartment, remember the Fenway in Boston?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
The Fenway was like a wooded area.
Like, every city has a small wooded area.
Where they grow trees for the reason for anonymous gay sex.
The Brambles in Manhattan, you got Griffith Park in LA, there's always like a little gay area.
So my apartment happened to be, it was on Boylson Street, it was across the street from the Fenway.
So I'm stumbling home one night, it's like three in the morning, and I look at the woods and I go, fuck it.
I'm going to do it.
joe rogan
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
So I walk in and I'm looking around.
I'm like, I don't know the protocol.
I don't know how it works.
I'm just waiting.
And then all of a sudden it's like fucking leaves are blowing and there's shadows.
And then this guy just pops out from behind a tree like a little gay leprechaun.
He's like, I'm the guy.
I was like, all right, I guess he's the guy.
joe rogan
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
And he walks over, and we look at each other, and then he unzips his pants, he pulls out his cock, and I'm just looking at it, and then he pulls his balls out.
And I look at the balls, and I was like, nope.
No interest.
I'm fucking out.
That's the ugliest thing I've ever seen in my life.
And so I got scared, because now I'm alone in the woods with a guy with his dick out, and so I just pushed him away from me.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
greg fitzsimmons
And he fell down, and then he jumped up, and he just sprinted back into the woods with his dick flopping around.
I just stumbled out, and I was like, I guess I can't do that.
unidentified
Ow!
joe rogan
Ow!
greg fitzsimmons
He had some poison ivy the next day.
joe rogan
What did people used to do when they didn't have covers over their dick, and they had to run through the woods?
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
That's a real problem, man.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
unidentified
Ow!
joe rogan
Ow!
If you have pants on, and you run through the woods, your dick gets whacked by twigs and shit, but it's...
Kind of okay.
greg fitzsimmons
And the vagina's got protection.
It's got curtains and walls and blinds and...
joe rogan
A girl got kicked in the pussy the other day in a UFC fight.
And sorry for using the term pussy.
Ladies, in this term, it's really not a pussy.
It's a woman's vagina, right?
greg fitzsimmons
Yes.
joe rogan
Cage fighter.
greg fitzsimmons
Yes.
joe rogan
And they went down and, you know, they stopped the fight and give the person time to recover.
And I thought about it.
I was like, that's interesting because...
I guess it's just you can't hit genitals, but there's a giant difference between balls.
Girls can take a pretty good shot to the pussy.
unidentified
Can they?
joe rogan
Yeah, unfortunately.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, like if they fall and it hurts, just like it hurts your ass bone.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It hurts if you hurt your dick.
That hurts.
But the balls.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I was trying to explain to my wife and daughters were asking me what it's like to get kicked in the balls.
And I was like, I've been kicked in the balls a hundred times, at least.
I've been kicked in the balls so many times, because I grew up kicking.
So I got kicked in the balls by dudes who are really good at kicking.
There has been many times in my life where I wasn't sure if my dick was going to work anymore.
Like one time I got kicked in the balls so bad that one of my nuts swole up.
So my right nut, I think it was my right nut, I got kicked in a tournament.
Yeah.
I threw a kick and this guy threw a kick under my kick and Slammed it into my cup and this is a guy from the Korean national team.
He was really good.
He kicked me fucking hard.
Yeah They gave me timeout and continued the fight, but I knew it really hurt.
I lost the fight and And then as I was driving home, I was with my girlfriend, and I was thinking at the time, I was like, I don't know if this thing works anymore.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because it was so painful.
So I got home and jerked off.
And as soon as I jerked off, I'm like, oh, we're good.
Yeah.
Victory.
It works.
greg fitzsimmons
That was the best orgasm of your life.
So that's the weird thing about the cup, isn't it?
joe rogan
I've done that.
This is how stupid I am.
I've done that twice.
Another time I got kneed in the dick.
I was doing jujitsu and I didn't have a cup on.
The last time I trained without a cup on.
This guy's passing my guard.
It's a standard technique.
He wasn't doing it maliciously.
You shove your knees through the guard when someone's passing your guard.
The guard is the legs.
So your legs are wrapped around a person.
You're trying to work a submission from the bottom.
And they're trying to pass to get to a better...
Because in the guard, it's very difficult to submit someone when you're in their guard.
You want to get out of their guard.
And then it's a more dominant position to submit.
So he's trying to pass my guard.
So he shoves his knee through.
And his knee caught my dick flat.
Just, like, smashed my dick.
I'm like, ah!
It fucking hurt like hell.
But I didn't think anything of it.
It was, like, kind of normal for that stuff to happen when you're training hard with guys who are really good.
And then afterwards, I go to the locker room, and there's blood in my jockstrap.
I'm like, ah, fuck.
So my dick is bleeding out my dick hole.
So I'm like, okay.
What would I do if this was my nose?
I was like, I would just go home.
It's just a bloody nose.
Like, am I being a pussy because it's my dick?
It's a bloody dick?
It's just like, we'll give it the night, and if it feels bad tomorrow, we'll go to the doctor.
So I get home, and I'm like, well, how do I know if it works?
So I jerked off.
I jerked off, and blood came out with it.
unidentified
No!
joe rogan
Yeah, and this is how, because I did it kind of clinical, because I want to know, so I did it into the toilet.
So I jerked off into the toilet.
While I'm doing it, I'm like, what the fuck is wrong with you?
You're so broken.
You're such a crazy person.
And then I was like, I think it works.
It's all good.
And so the next day, I made sure I didn't get infected.
Next day, I was like, just checking.
Make sure everything's good.
Didn't hurt.
greg fitzsimmons
Did you jerk off again?
joe rogan
No.
I let it go for a couple days.
Just leave it alone.
I didn't want it to be sore.
But it was fine.
It was fine.
So some blood vessel burst just like it would burst in your mouth.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I get fat lips all the time.
You know, you're always getting cuts in somewhere.
greg fitzsimmons
Damn.
joe rogan
I just treated it like that.
But it was scary.
greg fitzsimmons
I wonder if I hurt that guy's dick in the woods that night.
joe rogan
Probably.
Branches whacked that thing.
Ow!
greg fitzsimmons
Fucking squirrels thinking it's nuts diving at it.
joe rogan
Imagine a fucking gopher just grabbing a hold of your dick.
A gopher.
They could chew through a tree.
You know people who've died from gophers before?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
Yes!
A lady died recently.
She got bit by a gopher.
Just bled out.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
joe rogan
Bro, they chew through trees.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And their teeth never stop growing.
They have to chew on things to wear their teeth out.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Otherwise it'll just go right through their fucking face.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, gophers will fuck.
We went upstate.
We just had my 25th anniversary this month.
joe rogan
Congratulations.
greg fitzsimmons
Thank you.
So we went up to Vermont and upstate New York, me and my wife.
joe rogan
It's beautiful up there.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Except for the people.
Other than that, it's beautiful.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, we didn't see a lot of them.
People are odd.
We saw very few people.
joe rogan
People that live in those states are odd.
greg fitzsimmons
We went to a farmer's market.
joe rogan
50 people.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're odd.
greg fitzsimmons
We were staying in a little town.
Some friends of mine moved out there.
They kind of retired and decided to take up farming.
So they moved out to this farm.
joe rogan
In Vermont?
greg fitzsimmons
In Vermont.
joe rogan
They look like they're from Vermont too, right?
They all look like – you could pick them out of a lineup.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, we went to the farmer's market and it really was like – it was like a caricature.
It's like the dudes that look like if you push them, they would just crumble.
They have like Birkenstocks on.
unidentified
Everybody looks like Bernie Sanders.
greg fitzsimmons
Everyone's got tie-dye shirts on, and it's just like, good for you guys.
You got your spot.
joe rogan
Yeah, they got a spot.
greg fitzsimmons
You can be you right here.
joe rogan
You just got to tolerate the winters.
If you can tolerate the winters, you're in the most uber-progressive, but really kind for the most part.
It's like an idyllic sort of environment.
There's douchebags everywhere you go.
greg fitzsimmons
No, and they're involved with all this communal farming.
joe rogan
They're kind people.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, they all pitch in.
They help each other out.
My friends have a bunch of land, so they let these other farmers graze their animals on the land.
Dude, then we went up into the woods, and my friends become an expert on hunting for mushrooms.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
greg fitzsimmons
You ever do that?
joe rogan
Those people will get you killed.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Because there's some that look good, and they're not.
greg fitzsimmons
I know.
joe rogan
There's a whole nursing home incident happening.
A few years back, some guy was like, I'm an expert mushroom picker.
Got some mushrooms and cooked them up for everybody and they all died.
unidentified
No!
joe rogan
Yeah!
Some of them will kill you quick.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, we stuck to the chanterelles.
joe rogan
Yeah, those are obvious.
Morels are real obvious.
Those are great.
greg fitzsimmons
Then they have these ones called lobster mushrooms that actually look like lobster and they taste like lobster.
unidentified
Really?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, it's freaky.
joe rogan
Did you eat them with butter?
greg fitzsimmons
We sliced them up and sauteed them.
We had them with pasta.
joe rogan
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
There it is.
Sacramento Bee.
In addition to the untimely deaths of Barbara Lopez and Teresa...
Try saying that name.
unidentified
Alasinowitz...
joe rogan
Four others were sickened after they're given a wild mushroom soup prepared by a caregiver who also consumed the poisonous potage.
Caregiver and three elderly residents were hospitalized.
Boy, that guy's never cooking for them again.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
You can get really sick from mushrooms.
Really sick.
Like, you could die, like, quickly from some of them.
greg fitzsimmons
Some of them are super toxic.
Isn't it amazing, like, when you think about, with the death penalty, how they can never fucking do it?
They zap people and they survive, or they shoot them up and they survive, and it's like, give them some fuck.
Oh, it happens all the time.
Really?
joe rogan
I thought they all just died.
greg fitzsimmons
No, a lot of times they fuck up and they have to do a few passes at it.
joe rogan
Isn't it funny that they don't shoot them?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
That's what I'm saying.
There's so many ways to kill somebody effectively.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You just need a tarp and a shotgun.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it's over.
greg fitzsimmons
And like the old days, the shooting squads, only one person would have live ammunition so that nobody felt the guilt.
You'd have like four or five shooters, and they didn't tell you who was the live round.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I thought it was a couple guys had duds.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, maybe a couple.
joe rogan
Yeah, because you need more than one guy.
What if that one guy just hits him in the ear like the guy did Trump?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I know.
Fuck.
joe rogan
And the guy's like, what the fuck is going on?
You all missed?
This is crazy.
Maybe God has spoken.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
God has said, I shouldn't be killed.
greg fitzsimmons
That's like some of these action movies, you see them fucking running around shooting at each other, and you go like, wait a minute, this guy was just on a rooftop with a sight, hitting somebody from 300 yards away, and now he can't hit him?
He's fucking running down the street, and they're missing each other with 20 shots?
joe rogan
A lot harder, though.
A lot harder.
Yeah.
A sniper shot is all just about not having any excess movement.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
And controlling your breath.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
So when a sniper shoots, they're prone for the most part, meaning they're lying down.
So you cut out all the movement.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Your shoulder's rested.
You ever seen a sniper shoot?
Yeah.
Their shoulders rested.
You know, they have the stock pressed against their body, and all they're doing is controlling this finger and not flinching and controlling their breathing and keeping that.
Because, you know, a lot of these guys can shoot from a mile away now.
A mile away.
greg fitzsimmons
And do they factor in gravity on the bullet?
joe rogan
They factor in a bunch of different things.
A lot of times they're using apps.
You can use an app.
And you also use an app for the wind.
So you want to know which way the wind's blowing.
And where to hold, you know, and then you have a scope that's dialed out, like it's zeroed out at a very specific yardage, whatever it is.
So you can just put the crosshair where it is.
A lot of times, if someone's hunting, they would do it like zeroed out at 100 yards.
So it effectively would be up or down maybe four inches and 300 yards or 400 yards.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, so a really fast shooting, flat shooting rifle, you zero them out.
So this guy's got to zero this thing out at a fucking, how many thousand yards is a mile?
How long is that?
What is that in yards?
12. So I've heard of guys shooting 1500 yard shots.
greg fitzsimmons
15, no shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, so there's so much equipment.
It has to be so dialed in.
I mean, they're sighting in these things on ranges, and it's so specific.
jamie vernon
It's 1,700, sorry.
joe rogan
1,700, okay.
That's so crazy.
That's so far away.
That's so far away, you can barely see it.
So they're looking through this insane scope on this rifle, and they've got this crosshair on some dude's head that's a mile away, and they go, boom.
And then you just wait.
greg fitzsimmons
Takes a second.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think it takes two seconds.
How many seconds does it take for, let's say, a 300 Win Mag.
300 Win Mag at 1700 yards.
A standard, like, high-powered rifle round that they would use.
I don't know if that's what they would use for snipers.
Like, those guys are very, the long-range guys are very different than any other kind of shooter.
Yeah.
They're all about the science and the tech and all the stuff that's involved in getting the win.
I have a buddy of mine who does long-range shooting.
He's not a tactical.
He's just a gun enthusiast who likes long-range shooting.
He does competitions.
And they just shoot steel.
And you hear, boom!
Ding!
It's like quite a long while afterwards.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
So like if you're shooting an animal and it's walking, it's super unethical.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because you don't know what that thing's going to do.
And the time between you shooting the gun, like with a bow and arrow, you never shoot at a walking animal.
greg fitzsimmons
Okay.
joe rogan
Because they're moving.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Or if you do, you have to be a real expert and you would lead.
You would like shoot them in the front of the shoulder to get into the vitals as they're walking.
But that's like...
That's an added element of, woo, anything can happen.
greg fitzsimmons
How much adjusting do you do when you're shooting a crossbow, as far as wind and distance?
joe rogan
Crossbows are a little bit more accurate, and they shoot a bolt.
Instead of an arrow.
So it's smaller, and it's probably because it's smaller, it's not going to have as much effect by wind.
It's going to have less to move around, less mass to move around.
They're very fast though.
Those bolts are way faster than an arrow.
Like an arrow, if you have a really fast bow, your arrow is probably going to go between 300 and 340 feet per second.
That's normal.
That's normal for a high-speed bow.
But for a crossbow, what's the fastest crossbow?
I bet it's like 500 plus.
And then you also have a scope on a crossbow and a trigger.
It's much more accurate.
You could just put that thing on, bang, bang, bang.
It's way more accurate at 100 yards.
greg fitzsimmons
And you can go pop, pop, pop fast?
joe rogan
Nah, you can't.
No, you'd have to reload it.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, you reload each shot?
joe rogan
Yeah, you have to reload each shot.
There's one guy who invented a thing for a compound bow.
It's kind of crazy.
It's like it's all these arrows stacked in.
He's got like this device and you draw it back and you can shoot one arrow after another.
600 feet per second.
greg fitzsimmons
That's like when you took me shooting.
Remember when we went shooting up in the valley at that guy's ranch?
joe rogan
Yes.
greg fitzsimmons
And he had a—it was a shotgun, but he set it up like an AK-47, so you could go—you could shoot a shotgun, but like— Yeah, terror tactical.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Dude, that was the...
You're like, you want to shoot tomorrow?
I was like, yeah, I figured we're going to some range with a bunch of, you know, yuppies, shoot, and IZOD shirts and flip-flops, and I walk out, and we drive down.
I get off the highway, get to a dirt road, down the dirt road, get to a fucking dirt driveway.
I'm like, where the fuck are we going?
And we get to this place and it's Ukrainian chicks in yoga shorts and crop tops.
And they are the most badass.
They are fucking master shots.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
And we get down there and what was the guy's name that runs it?
unidentified
Taron.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, holy shit.
joe rogan
He taught Keanu Reeves for all the John Wick movies.
He taught Halle Berry when she was in John Wick.
He teaches anytime a celebrity needs to learn how to look like a real assassin, they go to that guy.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's a multiple-time champion, and you know when they have a course, and you run the course, and they time you, and you...
That guy wins all those fucking things.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Oh, he's a wizard.
Yeah, he's revered for his prowess with a gun.
greg fitzsimmons
Is he a military guy?
joe rogan
No, I don't think so.
He's just a psycho.
greg fitzsimmons
And what about the women?
Where do they come from?
joe rogan
I think that's a social media ploy.
And then a lot of those women are real actual competitors.
They do those same sort of competitions.
greg fitzsimmons
They just happen to be tense.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen those gun competitions?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
Well, they're fun to watch.
See if you can find one of those where they run a course.
So they time them and it's all about accuracy and speed.
But if you're a hot chick and you can get involved in something that's a primarily male thing, what is the ratio of male gun enthusiasts to female gun enthusiasts?
Is it seven to three?
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, way more.
joe rogan
I'm being nice.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, you're being very nice.
joe rogan
I'm being real nice.
So if you're a hot chick in yoga shorts and you're also awesome with a gun, You get a lot of attention.
greg fitzsimmons
No, one of the biggest social media accounts is this girl who's a super hot, full-figured golfer.
joe rogan
Oh, of course.
unidentified
Oh, she's huge.
joe rogan
Of course, yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
If you're hot in that world, a world of dopey men, that's a great ploy.
It's a good move.
greg fitzsimmons
It's like being one of those women that attracts Cher or Bette Midler.
joe rogan
That attracts gay guys?
greg fitzsimmons
That attracts gay guys.
That's the best draw.
Chelsea Handler.
Like, they all get all these gay guys showing up.
unidentified
And they spend money.
greg fitzsimmons
They got that, you know, no children money kicking around in their pockets.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
No children money is real money.
greg fitzsimmons
Although now most have children.
joe rogan
Do you know that those guys get divorced the least?
greg fitzsimmons
I love that.
That's amazing.
joe rogan
The ratio is, correct me if I'm wrong, with male-female, it's like 50%.
But it's skewed.
It's not really 50%.
What it is is a lot of people are serial divorcees.
greg fitzsimmons
Okay.
joe rogan
So they get married and get divorced, get married and get divorced.
Like the amount of people that stay together...
It's probably higher than 50%, but there's a bunch of Jennifer Lopez's out there fucking up the curve, you know?
There's a bunch of people that get like four or five marriages, five, six, seven marriages.
People are out of their minds, right?
Yeah.
Then there's lesbians.
That's real high.
That's like 70 plus percent.
greg fitzsimmons
Of divorced.
joe rogan
Yeah, 70 plus percent.
But then there's gay guys.
Gay guys, I think it's 26% divorce ratio.
unidentified
Oh shit.
joe rogan
Yep, super low.
unidentified
Dude, because you get to hang out with a dude.
greg fitzsimmons
You get to hang out.
I would love to marry you.
We would have such a good time.
joe rogan
We'd have so much fun.
We'd have fun all the time.
greg fitzsimmons
It's just like chicken out every time it was time to suck your dick.
I'd be like, sorry, man.
I don't like how that thing looks.
You'd be like, shit.
Your balls.
joe rogan
I should have dressed my balls up nice for Greg.
Yeah, gay guys, they're hanging out with guys.
I mean, I joked around about it in my special, that I wish I was gay.
If that's what you liked, you're hanging out with a bunch of guys.
Sounds fun, as long as they're not annoying.
An annoying girl is not as annoying as an annoying guy.
Annoying guys can be a real problem.
greg fitzsimmons
Like aggro-annoying guys?
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're worse than anything.
You never feel comfortable.
You're always in this state of, oh, God.
greg fitzsimmons
They're always trying to one-up everybody.
joe rogan
Something could happen here.
Something stupid.
This guy could break a bottle and drink from it.
There's morons out there.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Annoying guys are dangerous.
greg fitzsimmons
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
Annoying girls are just usually just annoying.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Just an annoying human.
They don't have that element of this could be dangerous.
greg fitzsimmons
That's a good point.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Especially if they're big.
Big drunk guys are scary.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They get those gopher eyes.
Their pupils go away.
They just look like a fucking zombie.
greg fitzsimmons
I wonder what the stats are on drunk driving between men and women.
I bet it's so much higher with dudes.
Just crazy dudes.
unidentified
I don't know.
Because a lot of girls are like, I can fucking do it.
joe rogan
I can fucking do it.
But then men are like, I'm not even drunk, bro.
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
My dad used to drunk drive.
joe rogan
Crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
He crashed a car into a tree and died and they brought him back to life.
She's in the emergency room for weeks.
joe rogan
Men are four times more drunk driving-related accidents than women.
Drunk male drivers caused 80% of the drunk driving fatalities documented.
Holy shit.
81% of people arrested for drunk driving were men.
Only 19% were women.
How many of those women just had big tits?
unidentified
And they, Ma'am, we'll take you home.
joe rogan
You live by yourself.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, cops have a weakness for drunk women, for sure.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Well, there's some fucking hilarious body cams out there of girls going, I'll do anything.
Please, please don't arrest me.
I'll do anything.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
What was the one where she goes, don't you want to help out a pretty woman?
And he goes, well, if I see one, I'll help her out.
You never saw that?
joe rogan
I didn't see that one.
I never know how many of them are real these days.
Because I think these days there's a lot of people who fake police interactions and they do stuff for clout.
They stage things for clout.
They'll make a viral video of a fake fight.
People throwing things at each other.
All for clout.
greg fitzsimmons
I like the one with the father and the son.
They always do these big crazy physical stunts where they destroy the living room and have a fight and they scream at each other.
But it's so real.
I bought it the first two times and I was like, oh no, they're not fighting this often, this hard.
They wouldn't still be living together.
joe rogan
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
But it's so funny.
joe rogan
Oh, that's funny.
Yeah, you can trick people today.
There's a lot of fake stuff going on.
A lot of fake.
How many war footage videos were out where people go, that's from a video game?
Like, what?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, I guess Faces of Death, a lot of those were fake.
joe rogan
Yep.
Yeah, a lot of them.
The war footage stuff is crazy because that's how good the video games are.
Those video games are so good today that you watch, especially if you're looking at it on your phone, right?
Especially my eyes.
My eyes aren't that good.
And I'm looking at some fucking jet getting shot down.
I'm like, wow, that's crazy.
Look at how high res that is.
Kudos to the camera guy.
Then I'm like, oh, it's a video game, you fucking idiot.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, how much longer until like, you know, the AI nudes are so fucking real.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
And now they're making AI nude videos, not just stills.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, they can do AI porn for sure.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, I haven't seen it, but I'm sure it exists because they can do AI scenes with human beings that are indiscernible.
You cannot tell.
It's gone.
The Sora, the newest technology, have you seen it?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
Bring that one up, Jamie, of the Tokyo Street.
So they have this footage that is all just a prompt, right?
So they put in a prompt to this AI, like drone footage of Tokyo Street while it's snowing.
And this...
Video is entirely fake, and it looks exactly like someone flew a drone over Tokyo.
The people are moving in random manners.
They're moving at different speeds.
They look natural.
Look at this.
This is all fake, dude.
jamie vernon
Six months old.
I think there's newer stuff now too.
greg fitzsimmons
So it's even better than this.
Look at that.
joe rogan
This is insane.
Look how good the texture looks on the snow, like on how it varies.
I mean, look, all the people, the fucking...
It's just wild, man.
This is the stuff that we know about.
For sure, they have some new version of this that they just haven't released to the public yet.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, and also how it's affecting the entertainment business.
Tyler Perry just was about to build a billion dollar studio in Atlanta.
joe rogan
It's because of that.
greg fitzsimmons
No, then he saw that and he canceled the plans.
He's like, we don't need...
Physical production any longer.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was an 800 million dollar facility was putting down.
He saw Sora That's what he saw.
Okay, and they realize like oh, we don't need any of this anymore They're not gonna need actors either Which is like part of the strike was that they were trying to own the digital rights to a person like save if they paid you You're a background extra.
They don't want to keep paying extras.
Mm-hmm So we'll own all their faces.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, they stand and they get shot in a green screen from like eight different angles for a half an hour and then they own them for life.
jamie vernon
This is newer.
This is 11 days old, it says it was posted by OpenAI.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, man.
jamie vernon
They're all looking at a UFO. This is bananas.
joe rogan
This is completely bananas.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is all AI generated.
greg fitzsimmons
Not to mention the scripts are going to be mostly AI generated.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, 100%.
But that's the thing I'm saying about this, that when they're doing this stuff and putting this stuff into a prompt, it's easy.
It's instantaneous.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so what they were trying to do with these background, like imagine you're a background guy, you know, you just moved to Hollywood, you know, you want to get work as an actor, so you decide to take a background gig in a movie.
You sign this thing off, but then you wind up becoming successful.
That's how almost all actors get started.
jamie vernon
Sure.
joe rogan
They start as background people or work on the crew.
They get auditions.
That's Harrison Ford.
He was a fucking carpenter, right?
But now they have your likeness for the rest of your life, and they can just shove you in in movies.
Hey, why is Harrison Ford in that fucking movie?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, well, Harrison Ford was an extra, you know?
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, fuck that.
greg fitzsimmons
So they don't need to shoot new stuff.
They can use old footage of people.
joe rogan
Dude, they don't need anything anymore.
They could do John Wayne movies, but really sophisticated, like, Tarantino, John Wayne movie.
Like, they could do that right now.
Like, someone in AI using this program, maybe not now, maybe five months from now, can make a John Wayne Tarantino film.
Like, make a Western, but in the style of Quentin Tarantino with the same type of dialogue.
greg fitzsimmons
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
Like, that Robert Rodriguez would direct with him.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And put that together.
And they can make it in the style of these guys.
They just look at Kill Bill, look at Reservoir Dogs.
Okay, we...
You kinda know what he's into?
Okay.
Bam!
And it's moody, it's dark, there's rain dripping from the ceiling, you're looking at the gun before he shoots the guy, the pupils dilate, the fucking, the pores, guy's got a pockmarked face from acne scars.
I mean, they can do everything, man.
It looks like a real movie.
And a movie is a little easier to do than video.
I would think.
Because in a movie, you make the background blurry.
greg fitzsimmons
It's a little softer, yeah.
joe rogan
That's a weird thing.
We like films that doesn't look real.
We like a film where when you're talking, everybody in the background is blurry.
I don't want to see everybody in the background crystal clear.
greg fitzsimmons
No, I remember the first time I got a high-def TV, it threw me.
I was like, this looks fake.
joe rogan
Everything looks fake.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, everything was too much in my face.
And I think Tarantino still shoots on film.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
I think his films are all done on film.
joe rogan
I think the problem with video is it's too good.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's too good.
Like soap operas.
Like, don't they shoot those on film or on video?
They shoot them on video.
It's probably cheaper.
greg fitzsimmons
I'm sure it's video because the editing is so much easier.
When you edit film, you have to convert it and then edit it and then convert it back again.
joe rogan
Oof.
greg fitzsimmons
And so when you, like, I've written on TV shows that were film.
And first of all, you can't do as many takes in a row because you have to change the reels on the cameras.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
So you get to get in, you know, two or three takes and you got to stop down for five minutes and reload.
joe rogan
I'm pretty sure news radio is film.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I'm sure it was.
joe rogan
Yeah, 90%.
And I think Fear Factor was not.
greg fitzsimmons
Usually multi-camera is when you're in a studio, like Everybody Loves Raymond or something like that.
That's usually shot digitally.
joe rogan
I think they tried to do it digitally, like one episode or something.
God, maybe I'm remembering.
Maybe it was something else I did.
But I remember they were trying to make this transition.
But people didn't like the way it looked.
There was a video, an advertisement the other day, with Tom Cruise and someone else, and they were talking about the settings on your television.
That if you have the settings on your television set from the factory incorrectly, it can make these brilliant films look too much like video.
Because of whatever funky, you know, shit they're doing to make the television look clearer and crisper, which is great in most things, but it's not great when you're watching a film that's been sort of designed to get you to focus on specific things and have the background more blurry.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Like, I remember the first time I saw one of the Star Wars films, like Return of the Jedi or one of those, and I saw it on a high-resolution big-screen TV. I was like, this looks like Dog shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
The background was so fake.
It was so clearly like a painting of a spaceship in the background.
It looked so corny.
But in the movies, it looked perfect.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, right.
Yeah, I was going to shoot my special on film.
I actually was talking to Kodak and getting the reels, and it was going to be three times more expensive to shoot it on film.
joe rogan
Oof.
greg fitzsimmons
But think about, like, Live at the Sunset Strip.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
I mean, it felt like you were in the room.
You could smell it and feel it, you know?
joe rogan
It's also a time capsule, too, though, right?
There's something about that where you're like, God, Richard Pryor was like 35 back then.
Look at him.
Look at the crowd.
Look at the audience.
This is wild.
What was it like back then?
Imagine being alive back then and sitting in that audience back then.
Like, fuck.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
Is there any good footage of Lenny Bruce?
joe rogan
There's some.
A lot of black and white stuff.
greg fitzsimmons
I would love to see that.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a lot of unfortunate footage.
That was him when he was kind of going crazy at the end of his life.
He was just reading from transcripts of his trial.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Did you ever see those?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, that's bad.
joe rogan
They're weird.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're weird.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because people don't know what they're listening to.
Like, why am I listening to this?
He became obsessed with his trial.
greg fitzsimmons
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
Trials.
You know, they were putting that guy in jail for doing something we do every night.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Which is really crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Really crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
There we go.
unidentified
From 1965. I'm happy alone, don't you see?
I've convinced you.
I don't know how to get so dramatic about it.
You're better off alone, man.
I gotta...
That's it.
I'm gonna get a whole bunch of new suits.
You know, I've had the same dumb suit for 10 years.
You walk in her closet, you can't even breathe.
That's it.
I'll get a whole bunch of suits.
I'll get a chick that likes to hang out, man.
I'll get a...
I'll have a vodka party.
That's my vodka party.
Swing it up, ball it up.
I'll get a chick...
I'll get a chick who likes to drink.
Boy, my wife sure used to look good standing up against the sink.
She's the lowest, though.
greg fitzsimmons
I really put her down.
unidentified
No.
No, I really miss her.
I don't want some sharp chick that can coat Kerouac and walk with poise.
I just want to hear my old lady say, get up and fix the sink.
It's still making noise.
All alone.
All alone.
Like a near-sighted dog wears the bones.
joe rogan
This isn't probably the best example.
I don't know why you picked that, but the oldest version of him.
greg fitzsimmons
I like that fucking suit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It is a sharp suit.
greg fitzsimmons
That is, uh...
You know what's great?
joe rogan
The Dustin Hoffman film where he plays him.
He did a fucking phenomenal job.
unidentified
He did.
joe rogan
He did a fucking phenomenal job.
Dustin Hoffman nailed it.
He nailed it.
greg fitzsimmons
It's tough to play a comedian when you're not a comedian.
There's something you can't put your finger on about the rhythm of it.
joe rogan
Well, you know they're faking it.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, you know who's not bad?
Have you seen that show, Hacks?
joe rogan
No.
greg fitzsimmons
Jean Smart?
unidentified
No.
greg fitzsimmons
She's fucking good.
joe rogan
Yeah?
greg fitzsimmons
She's a great actress, but she pulls it off.
joe rogan
Well, the lady who did Marvelous Mrs. Maisel.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
She pulled it off.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
She pulled it off.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
That was Joan Rivers it's based on, basically, right?
joe rogan
I don't know.
greg fitzsimmons
It seems like it's the same time.
joe rogan
It seems a little.
I think maybe.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Maybe an influence, but I think it's a pretty unique fictional story of someone who's friends with Lenny Bruce.
greg fitzsimmons
Hacks is definitely based on Joan Rivers.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
greg fitzsimmons
Because she has a whole QVC line and it's a lot of the same stuff.
But then the woman that plays, she's got like this writer who's like her, she writes for her and goes on the road with her, played by Lorraine Newman's daughter.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
greg fitzsimmons
I can't remember her name, but she's fucking great.
joe rogan
You know what the best conspiracy theory about Joan Rivers is?
greg fitzsimmons
What?
joe rogan
That she was killed because she outed Michelle Obama for being a man.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, gosh.
joe rogan
Midge Maisel from The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel was inspired by real-life comedian Joan Rivers, sharing similarities in their upbringing, education, and performing at the Gaslight Cafe in New York.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
She nails it though.
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
joe rogan
Rachel Brosnahan, is that how you say her name?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, she's so talented.
joe rogan
She nails it.
greg fitzsimmons
I think she's won at least two Emmys for that show.
joe rogan
Yeah, she nails it.
The first season and the second season are amazing.
I trailed off in the third season.
greg fitzsimmons
I bailed off in the third season also.
You know what it got?
It got very shticky.
It got very Jewish sounding.
Almost like a Neil Simon play.
joe rogan
I want to see the struggle in her trying to make it because it's kind of crazy that this housewife decides to become a comedian and she's actually really talented and kind of wild and crazy.
But then once she starts making, I'm bored.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because now you're in nonsense land.
unidentified
Right, right.
joe rogan
Now she's going to be glamorous or she's doing USO tours.
unidentified
Like, shut the fuck up.
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
You know who's great in that show is Kevin Pollack.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, he's really strong.
joe rogan
He is great in that.
greg fitzsimmons
He's one of those guys that just like...
joe rogan
He could do anything.
greg fitzsimmons
You've ever seen his IMDB page?
He's done hundreds of roles.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah.
He's played bad guys, good guys.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's a good comic, too.
greg fitzsimmons
He is?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's hard for people to pull off because you've got to really be doing it.
Because if you're not really doing it, I know you're not really doing it.
If it's not really making the audience laugh, even if you had to do your act and there was a crowd of people that were paid to laugh at your act, So you have to do your act.
They see you do it over and over and over again.
Take five.
And they have to, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
I'm going to know you're not connecting with them.
I'm going to know they're not connecting with you.
You're never really going to be able to do that in a movie unless the guy actually does stand-up.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like if Louis C.K. was going to do a movie about a comic, he would have to do stand-up.
And you know he used to do that in Louis, right?
Yeah.
In Louis, at the beginning of the show, he would do a little stand-up.
Well, he actually did the stand-up, though.
That was actual real stand-up.
greg fitzsimmons
I think Seinfeld, too, did that.
He got real audiences.
joe rogan
The only way to do it.
If you have a movie and you have a bunch of people that are being paid to sit and be audience members, the whole dynamic is fucked.
It's never going to be real.
It has to be real.
You'd have to just bring in crowds.
Just bring in a bunch of crowds.
Have a comic do it and film it at a theater, film four shows.
There's no way you're going to do it.
You have to actually do it this way.
greg fitzsimmons
And you might have to swap out the crowds because you're doing multiple takes.
Just bring in a new one after two hours.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, instead of doing multiple takes, what you would do is you would just film all the stand-up and then splice it into the show or the movie.
That's what you would do.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, right, right.
joe rogan
That's the only way to do it and make it real.
greg fitzsimmons
Remember, what was it?
Tom Hanks' one punchline was so bad.
unidentified
It was terrible.
joe rogan
It's Halley Field.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, my God.
They had lockers at the comedy club.
Everybody had their own locker.
joe rogan
You and I had just started back then.
Because that was when that was going on.
And I remember thinking, God, the difference between real life and these fucking movies is so crazy.
But it was also, when they were doing stand-up, it wasn't funny.
It wasn't real.
It wasn't locked in.
You know?
greg fitzsimmons
No, and he hadn't.
And it's always that same storyline every comic, which, you know, like, there's an element of truth to it, but, like, they're starting out, they've got a shtick, and then somebody, an older person pulls by and goes, hey, man, you gotta just be yourself.
You gotta use your own voice.
And then all of a sudden they go up with no script, but they just are themselves.
I mean, they did it in Maisel.
But it's true.
I mean, it is true to a certain extent, but they just hit it so hard.
joe rogan
But she had material in Maisel.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
She had a lot of shit that was on her mind.
greg fitzsimmons
She had stories, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, she wanted to tell those stories that she thought were hilarious.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was a little different, but Punchline was just nonsense.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, my God.
Although, I heard a story.
You remember Lucian Holt from the comic strip?
joe rogan
Look at them all.
greg fitzsimmons
Wait there.
Oh, that's Taylor...
jamie vernon
That's the locker room I was showing you.
greg fitzsimmons
Taylor something.
He was super talented.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He was a super nice guy, too.
Fuck, what was his last name?
He died a few years back.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Negron?
jamie vernon
Taylor Negron?
joe rogan
That's it.
Funny dude.
Very nice guy.
Came up to me to improv one night and we had a cool conversation.
greg fitzsimmons
But Lucian Holt brought me to his apartment.
Lucian Holt, by the way, he had mixed feelings because anytime you're a club booker, you're going to have a certain number of people that just are not a fan because they didn't get passed.
But Lucian was an amazing guy.
He was a curator of...
Eddie Murphy of Chris Rock.
He was the guy that brought people through the strip.
Adam Sandler.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
And he brought me to his apartment one time, and he had wall-to-wall videos.
This was back when everything was half-inch VHS tapes.
Walls of everybody's first times.
Wow.
And so he showed me when Tom Hanks came in for Punchline, he only did stand-up for like three nights.
And he came into this strip and he did it.
And I gotta be honest, like he came in and he had some written material and he fucking did good.
And then someone heckled and he like annihilated them and then got back into the material.
unidentified
I was like, fuck this guy.
joe rogan
This is him?
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, is that the tape?
joe rogan
1987. Yeah.
unidentified
...fighting for the love of his son by arm wrestling a bald guy.
Stallone is back.
Stallone enters an arm wrestling competition.
Now, do you think Stallone wins the competition by any chance?
Is this the most exciting thing to make a movie about, arm wrestling?
You know, you can bet this bald guy is going to get Stallone over like this at some point.
They're going to have the close-ups.
The hand, the eye, the hand, the eye.
greg fitzsimmons
Dude, first time.
joe rogan
Pretty fucking good.
Pretty fucking good.
greg fitzsimmons
With the pauses.
joe rogan
Yeah, timing.
unidentified
The first of the low lows is the flashback sequence to his son.
greg fitzsimmons
Poppy, poppy, over the top.
unidentified
Ha!
This place is gonna go nuts.
joe rogan
See, they should've used that in the movie.
greg fitzsimmons
Exactly.
Make it look grainy.
joe rogan
But no, no, no, no.
It doesn't have to be grainy, but that.
Film him actually doing stand-up.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what you should have done.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
So it's not that he sucked, because right there he just did it, but he was at Flip the Top.
Nobody knows how to use these goddamn things.
It's amazing how many people, you give them a Calibri lighter and they just...
unidentified
Well, it's like man discovering fire.
joe rogan
So if they use that...
I would have bought that movie.
That would have been a much better movie.
How did they not know that?
If you're doing a film on stand-up, and you're going to have comics, you could have just had them doing stand-up.
Actually do stand-up.
Just get a comedy club.
You say, Tom Hanks is going to perform.
It's going to sell out.
And you say, oh, and ladies and gentlemen, you guys are going to be in a movie.
Please do not heckle.
And have a great show.
I'm like, oh my god, we're going to be in a movie.
This is amazing.
You'd be extra excited, all happy.
It would be great.
It would have been a great movie.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
But maybe, you know, Sally Field's jokes were terrible in that movie.
greg fitzsimmons
Awful.
joe rogan
I'd like to see her set.
greg fitzsimmons
You know who wrote all the jokes?
Who?
Barry Sobel.
joe rogan
Did he do it on Purposely Bad?
greg fitzsimmons
No, I think they gave him like five minutes.
I don't know.
joe rogan
He was in it.
greg fitzsimmons
He used to kill it back then.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
When I first started coming to the store, he was one of the big names there.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, he was on MTV a lot back then.
joe rogan
I remember that was the guy from Punchline.
But it was quite a while afterwards, right?
So this was like 94, and that movie was like 88. And he was still kind of doing that same kind of character.
That was the weird thing about the store in 94. It's like...
You know when a wave hits a shore and then pulls back, you see like Driftwood and shit just gets stuck on the beach?
unidentified
That was the story in 94. Yeah.
joe rogan
Because Kinison was this wave and Kinison and that movement was this wave that washed over comedy in Hollywood.
And then Kinison left the store, and then Kinison died in a car accident.
And then I came to the store like two years later, and it was like beach wood.
You know, it was like fucking driftwood and bottle caps and shit.
It's like there was a lot of guys there that should have not been doing stand-up anymore.
They had been doing the same act for 30 years.
It was weird.
I was like, this is the comedy store?
Like, this is weird.
And there was 18 people in the crowd.
And then, like, Dom Herrera would go up.
Or someone legit would show up.
Or Damon Wayans would show up.
And you'd go, oh, there's still some good guys here.
There's still some good guys here.
But it was...
When Kinnison was around, it was packed!
Because there was, like, this vibrant energy to comedy in Hollywood.
And I miss that wave.
God, I wish I could have seen it.
greg fitzsimmons
Imagine that Robin Williams popping in.
joe rogan
Nuts.
greg fitzsimmons
Fuck.
joe rogan
I hope he doesn't do my material.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, he was in the crowd one night.
I was at the Comedy Cellar, and he was in the crowd, just for some reason.
He was drunk.
It was like he had had a lapse, and he started heckling me, but in a playful way.
He wanted to improv and fuck around.
So I did.
I played with him.
I don't know where I got it in me, but I was shitting on him for being Mork from Ork, and he was laughing.
He didn't jump up on the stage, which would have been fucking sweet.
And then he hung out after.
I met him a few times.
Fucking sweetest guy in the world.
And not at all how he is on stage.
Like very sweet, very minimal, calm, very much like interested in you, like asking you questions.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I met him once at the improv and I didn't know I was talking to him until like a couple minutes into our conversation.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh shit.
joe rogan
So I did a show at the improv, then afterwards I was taking pictures.
So I was in the front bar and there's a line of people just taking pictures, saying hi to people.
And this guy comes up and he said, that was really wonderful.
I really, really loved this one bit.
And he's talking to me about this bit.
He's like, that bit, it's like, God, the courage to say that.
And I'm like, this is Robin Williams.
He had a big white beard and a hat on.
And I didn't realize, well, thank you, man.
I really appreciate it.
And thank you for coming.
He goes, yeah, I really wanted to watch your set.
It was really fun.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow, that's pretty cool.
joe rogan
I was like, wow.
It was cool.
But I was like, this is the craziest thing.
He didn't introduce himself.
I'm Robin Williams.
He waited in line.
Nobody noticed that he was in line.
Because he had this big beard.
A big beard and glasses and a hat on.
And it took me like...
I was like, oh shit.
Super nice guy.
Super nice guy.
I wish there wasn't that joke-stealing thing connected with him, but I think...
unidentified
In his defense, I think he was kind of crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
I don't think he remembered he was doing it.
I think it was just like, it was sticky.
Jokes were sticky to him.
And then they came up because he was improvising.
And I read this article about him.
joe rogan
That's a nice, that's a hopeful way.
You hope he didn't know he was doing it.
It was like, fuck it, I'm doing it anyway.
I want to make it.
greg fitzsimmons
He used to steal so much from Rick Overton that he was getting, he would just call his manager and be like, he did it again.
And they just cut him a check.
But it was like, you know, money doesn't cover it.
That's your tool belt.
That's taking somebody's...
joe rogan
It could be the difference between you making it and not making it, right?
You can have one bit.
Like sometimes for a comic, it's one bit that you base an entire career on.
And you have this one bit, and this bit shows you that with the proper focus and a subject where you're really connected to it, you can come up with a banger.
So I can...
And you can headline and close with that.
And if some guy just does that on TV... They have just hamstringed your act.
Like, you don't have a closer anymore.
And maybe you base other stuff on that bit.
Like, maybe it's like you point to it at previous times so that the end part is even funnier because it's kind of a callback.
Yeah.
I've seen it happen to guys.
Where their career just tanked.
greg fitzsimmons
You remember Larry Miller's closing bit on the 10 stages or how many stages of being drunk?
He closed with that shit for years and people demanded it because it was an act out so you didn't get sick of seeing it.
And he honed it over the years.
I mean, he's such a craftsman.
He's such an exacting performer and such a precise writer.
And then I saw some guy doing that I was like, dude!
I mean, I hate to bring up Mencia, but it was like that thing with Cosby, with the football thing.
unidentified
Like, dude, that's like exact.
joe rogan
Not only that, it's a legendary bit.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what's crazy.
But I think people did things before they understood the internet.
Because they didn't understand that there's going to be real consequences.
It's not just some people talking about things.
It's a video that shows the bit by Cosby and then your bit back to back.
There's a thing that happened because of the internet where it wasn't a rumor anymore.
It was like you could just see it right in front of your face and go, Oh!
There's no way!
greg fitzsimmons
Well, especially when it's more than one bit and they put a compilation together, then it's like, wow.
joe rogan
Also, there's a thing that happens with those guys where you see there's a stark contrast between the material they steal and the material they write themselves.
Like, the material they write themselves, it doesn't make any sense.
It's like they're doing a caricature of the guy who was killing with the jokes with that same attitude.
But now you have nothing connected to it, but you have all this confidence.
But it doesn't make any sense.
And when they get caught, then they have to do their own stuff.
And usually it's a fucking drop off a cliff.
It's a drop off a cliff, the difference between the early stuff where they weren't stealing, or they were stealing rather, and the later stuff where they have to write their own stuff.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, also, when you get guys that aren't just taking—and not just guys, women, obviously—who aren't just taking the jokes, but they're taking the persona.
Like, how many guys did we see being Bill Hicks back in the day?
joe rogan
Well, there was a sign in the green room of the punchline in Atlanta.
Quit trying to be Hicks.
unidentified
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
The back green room of the punchline in Atlanta was awesome because there was a bunch of people that signed the wall.
The walls were all signed.
And it was like, wow, Mitch Hedberg.
And this big sign, somebody wrote, quit trying to be Hicks.
greg fitzsimmons
That's awesome.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
That was a great club, Atlanta Punchline.
joe rogan
Perfect club.
greg fitzsimmons
Perfect old wooden club.
joe rogan
Perfect club.
greg fitzsimmons
And it had, they must have done comedy 30 years there easily.
They moved to a, it's funny because it's not as big of a place and it's connected to like a diner, but it's still kind of got the magic of the old Punchline.
That's great.
Atlanta crowds.
We did a nice theater in Atlanta one time.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Remember that?
joe rogan
Yeah, that was fun.
greg fitzsimmons
That was fun as shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Atlanta's great.
It's a great comedy place.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It sucks they had to lose that original spot, though.
That original spot was so perfectly designed.
greg fitzsimmons
I think it was literally crumbling by the end.
joe rogan
Was it?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, the building was falling apart?
greg fitzsimmons
I think it was a teardown, yeah.
And I just like, there's something about old clubs where you really can feel the history.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, like Zaney's.
Zaney's in Nashville.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, and the Punchline in San Francisco.
Denver Comedy Works.
I'm there next week.
joe rogan
Yeah, you feel it in the walls.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like so many people have laughed there.
So many people have had good times there.
It's like burned into the building.
greg fitzsimmons
And also, I think the staff, you can tell a great club because you go back year after year and it's the same staff.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
You know, you got people that, you know, it's a waitress that she's been working there 20 years, but she's got a day job, but she's like, fuck that.
I'm still coming in on Friday nights because these are my friends, you know?
And I get to see all the comics that I've loved over the years.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
All those clubs.
And then you go to some of these bigger clubs where they're like a chain and the turnover is fast.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's a big difference.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's also, it's like, you have a regular job at a restaurant or something like that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Isn't that boring?
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
joe rogan
Isn't that boring?
Go see comedy, have fun, laugh, everybody's drinking.
It's a festive environment.
Even if you're not listening to the comic, if someone's killing, you're in the room and someone's killing, it feels good.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
She's got some good energy to it.
greg fitzsimmons
I know.
And it's also, my niece moved out to San Diego and I got her a job as a waitress at the comedy store in La Jolla.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
greg fitzsimmons
And so she hit the ground running because like...
You know, you don't know people, and all of a sudden she's working with a staff of people that are all fun as shit, and they work together, and then they all go out for drinks afterwards, and now she's got a real job, and she's still working there one or two nights a week.
joe rogan
That comedy store in La Jolla is another one of those places.
It's a classic room.
Classic room.
greg fitzsimmons
You can kill in that room.
joe rogan
Yeah, I know.
Quite a few people have done specials there.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, I think the store is actually setting out to do a bunch of specials down there.
They've got some good people that they've kind of hired to do a production wing of the store.
joe rogan
It's a perfect room.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Perfect room.
It's actually even better than the OR because there's less people going in.
There's less noise.
The OR has the problem with that hallway.
That hallway sucks.
greg fitzsimmons
And it's also not LA. Right.
So you've got a little bit of a better cross-section of people.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
More fun.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Less pretense.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's a problem with LA. Everybody in the audience wants to be on stage.
Yeah.
Even if they're not funny, they wish they were, or they could have been, and maybe that could have been me.
It's not like, this is Mike.
Mike runs a John Deere factory.
He likes to go out with his wife on the weekend and laugh.
That's it, like a normal guy.
Just a human.
Everybody wants...
That whole town is at least poisoned by people that want to be famous.
Is at least some aspect of it, the radiation from that Chernobyl, is in everything.
In everything that everybody does.
There's a certain percentage of bullshit that exists in normal conversations in Hollywood that just doesn't exist in the rest of the country.
greg fitzsimmons
No, I was just in New York last week, and all anybody talks about in New York is they talk about politics in a smart way, they talk about culture, they talk about writers, and then you go back to L.A., and they just all talk about showbiz.
Like, even your doctor.
Your doctor wants to talk about his famous clients, and he's got headshots on his wall.
It's like, you're a fucking doctor!
I don't care that Leonard Nimoy used to come here.
He's dead!
You failed!
joe rogan
All headshots.
All over the wall.
Yeah.
It's so strange.
greg fitzsimmons
My shrink said to me one time, he goes, I was telling him about how I was down.
I don't know if you remember this, but I used to do Stern a lot.
And Stern, I asked him to write the foreords of my book.
And do you remember this story?
joe rogan
I do remember, yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, so he basically ran me through the mill.
And it was a bit.
It was a radio bit.
It wasn't mean-spirited.
joe rogan
It was a little mean-spirited.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, it came off way worse than the reality of it was.
joe rogan
Explain it to people that don't know what we're talking about.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, so I asked him to write the foreword to my book, and then he said on the air, there's a million things I'd rather do than sit down and write this foreword.
And I think the intent was he didn't want people coming to him and asking him to do things like this, or he'd be doing it all the time.
So I asked him to do it, and he just starts busting my balls and calling me at home and saying, I don't want to do this, and blah, blah, blah.
So I go to my shrink, and I'm talking about, I have depression.
Let that sit for a second.
And he says to me, he goes, it's so weird.
He should have never fucking told me this.
He goes, I have a patient that came in, and he said he's having a hard time lately.
And I said, well, what's going on?
And he goes, well, my boss at work is a fucking douche.
My wife keeps telling me that I'm not, you know, emotional enough.
And then there's this guy named Greg Fitzsimmons on The Howard Stern Show, and they're just torturing him.
unidentified
And I go, you shouldn't fucking tell me that!
joe rogan
Oh my god, he shouldn't have told you that.
And now you're walking through the streets thinking everybody who stares at you is like, that fucking loser.
Look at him.
That's the problem with having that kind of a platform.
greg fitzsimmons
But I'm better now.
My depression has never been better.
joe rogan
What'd you do different?
greg fitzsimmons
I got way more disciplined about working out.
You can probably see it.
Look at that.
joe rogan
Guns.
greg fitzsimmons
Guns.
I'm doing yoga.
I'm doing...
joe rogan
Well, they say that that is 1.25 times more effective than SSRIs.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Regular exercise.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Regular exercise.
I meditate.
Just meditated before I came here.
Every day.
joe rogan
I think that's 90% of what's wrong with people.
I know that it's such a meathead perspective.
But I think everybody should do something physical.
I think we have requirements.
I know you don't want to do it.
But I think we have requirements.
Just like you have to brush your teeth.
Just like you have to eat food.
Just like you have to take vitamins.
I think we have requirements.
I think you have requirements to move or it fucks with your head.
greg fitzsimmons
And gym class used to be intense.
Penn said school.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
You used to have a fucking locker and shower after third period because they just made you run like an army obstacle course and do push-ups and jumping jacks.
joe rogan
Bro, we played dodgeball.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
We grew up with dodgeball, which was crazy.
You were whipping balls into people's faces.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, your heart was racing.
joe rogan
Yeah, dude.
And you're chasing people with the ball.
And if you catch some kid who fucking stumbles, he's getting it right in the face.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
That game was nuts.
greg fitzsimmons
And it was co-ed, and the girls went down fast.
joe rogan
Horrible.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You see the big red welt on the side of the leg?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The Irish girl with the pale skin gets fucking banged.
It was horrible.
It was horrible.
greg fitzsimmons
She got varicose veins on her neck to this day.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's some people that were really good at throwing that fucking dodgeball, too.
That shit was terrifying.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, those kids with the long arms.
joe rogan
And they got rid of that.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
They got rid of that.
greg fitzsimmons
But dude, we used to run laps!
We used to fucking run laps and then you felt good and you went back to class.
My kids, their gym classes weren't shit.
They didn't have to do anything.
joe rogan
The hardest thing I ever did when I was a kid was wrestling.
I did one year of wrestling.
But I couldn't do both that and Taekwondo at the same time.
It was just too much.
And I had to make a decision.
And so I picked Taekwondo mostly because it's easier.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was way easier.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
The training for wrestling was so hard that I would be like, in school, I'd be like...
My brain was like half on.
I was just thinking, oh my god, we're gonna have to run stairs tonight.
Oh my God, we're going to have to do live drills.
Fucking fireman's carry, carry each other up the fucking stadium stairs.
greg fitzsimmons
There's no tougher training, man.
Wrestling is brutal.
But my son, he was having trouble when he was in preschool.
He was biting kids.
He was like crazy.
And so the teacher said, there's this place called Marina Taekwondo in Venice.
Great program for kids.
So he started in preschool and he went all the way through eighth grade.
He got his black belt.
His junior black belt.
And it changed him.
Fucking changed him.
He became disciplined.
It calmed him down.
He used to go like three or four days a week.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think it sounds crazy, but I think it's a requirement for kids to do something physical and really would help if you did something scary, like a martial art.
It's just good for developing your brain and developing your ability to do difficult things.
greg fitzsimmons
When he got his black belt, I don't know if they always do this, but when he got his black belt, he had to do certain, what do they call them, katas?
joe rogan
It depends on, katas is a Japanese word.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, he did his katas, and then he had to break some boards, and then he had to do whatever, and then he had to fight two black belts.
Like at the same time.
And he had to go like three rounds at the same time.
They fucking sicked him on him.
And Mr. Jones, Keith Jones, shout out.
And it was tough.
And they came out and he started crying.
And Mr. Jones sat him down and he goes, you're going to get back in there.
You're going to finish this.
And he went in and he wiped his tears and he fucking finished.
And then he got his black belt.
It was badass.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
How old was he?
greg fitzsimmons
We started in kindergartens.
This would have been in like, I don't know, sixth or seventh grade?
joe rogan
It's kind of crazy to give a kid a black belt.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Little kids.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because it's not real.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, it's like different schools have different requirements and different belief systems when it comes to that.
But somewhere along the line...
That's where the term McDojo comes from.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh.
joe rogan
Somewhere along the line, they developed these strip mall karate places.
greg fitzsimmons
It was in a strip mall.
joe rogan
That would graduate children all the way up to black belt.
And they made it real easy for you to do it where you didn't spar.
And they started doing a bunch of stuff to make it less realistic, but less...
Attrition.
So less people quit and so they make more money.
And so like some of these schools that have hundreds and hundreds of students, they'd be making bank.
And then there was like a place called Fred Velary's when I was living in Boston.
And Fred Velary's was a karate, it was a chain.
They were all over the place.
But the people that came out of there, if they had to fight, maybe some of them would be good, but it's not the best place to learn.
It's a McDojo.
They taught you karate, but you got to do it in a real place.
You got to do it in a fucking real place with real savages.
That's the only way you're going to get good at it.
You got to get to a real scary place where there's a bunch of people and they're fucking sweating and kicking the bag.
That's where you got to go.
greg fitzsimmons
But I do think there is something to giving a kid a goal, like you're gonna get your blue belt, and you're trained for that, and you're gonna get your red belt.
joe rogan
Junior black belt's not a bad thing to call it, as long as you're calling it a junior black belt.
It's like you're not a man yet.
You don't really have the ability to hurt people.
Most people don't really have the ability to hurt people until they're like 15, 16, 17. Then you can really hurt people, and it comes quick.
It goes from you being a boy, right?
When you're 12 years old, you are a boy.
When I was 15, I was fighting men.
So from 12 to 15. So when I was 15, my instructor was crazy.
And he would put you in, like you were young teenagers, he would put you in tournaments, in men's tournaments, 18 and over.
unidentified
Wow.
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Just say you're 18. They just put you right in there.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
It was terrifying.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Terrifying.
So you go from not being able to hurt people to knocking grown men unconscious in a short period of time.
The first time I knocked a grown man unconscious, I was 16 years old.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
I head kicked this dude and knocked him unconscious.
And I was like, this is crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
Was that legal?
joe rogan
Yes, 100%.
Yeah, it was full contact.
He was snoring.
And I was like, this is nuts.
And I was 16. Yeah.
I was like, this is crazy.
So...
That's like a real black belt.
I was a black belt when I was 17. But it was a real black belt.
I was fighting black belts.
I can hurt you.
You can't really hurt anybody when you're 12. Yeah.
But that's what's so nuts.
In five years, you become a fucking machine.
In five years.
Five years ago, I've been here for four years.
I've been living here for four years.
Nothing's changed.
I'm exactly the same person.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But from 12 to 17, you're a different fucking human being.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
And also when the fear of being physically hurt is driving you to push yourself to be better.
joe rogan
Yes.
greg fitzsimmons
That's real.
joe rogan
Yes.
Yeah, well, it's also...
You don't have any responsibilities.
You have nothing to do.
You have hormones for the first time in your life.
So you have all this fucking energy and this fucking rawr!
And your whole day, you can just dedicate to this crazy thing and go around kicking people and learning something and getting better at something where everybody else is just listening to Led Zeppelin and smoking cigarettes and trying to figure out if they're going to go to college.
And you're out there doing something nuts.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, my nephew, Rowan, he grew up in South Africa, and he was like, you know, had every letter, ADHD, whatever, he had it all.
And he was the number one most, he got the record at his school for the most detentions.
They kept track, and they gave him an award.
And then he found rugby when he was like 14. He started doing rugby hard.
And he's a big, thick kid.
And he became an animal.
And it straightened him out.
Right now he's at Columbia University.
He was in the Navy.
He went out for the Green Berets.
No, the Navy Seals.
And he just missed it.
He made it all the way to Hell Week and then got dropped from the program.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
But because he was in the Navy, they gave him a full ride to Columbia.
They pay him to go to school at Columbia on, I guess it's the GI Bill?
Is that what they call it?
joe rogan
Probably.
greg fitzsimmons
Something like that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I think putting a kid who's got some...
Because you get anger.
When you have all these learning disabilities, you get very angry.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
You know, because you're not fitting in.
You're not doing as well.
You're trying your hardest and you're coming up short.
And you get fucking angry and you need something to focus that on.
joe rogan
I think all kids need something to focus.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
They just need something.
unidentified
It's too easy to just be lazy and Bro, my life is terrible.
joe rogan
Because you're not doing anything.
You're not getting excited.
You do stuff.
How many kids were depressed in the 1920s?
They were only depressed if they were starving.
They were running around.
greg fitzsimmons
I think the whole country was depressed.
joe rogan
It was the depression.
Exactly.
greg fitzsimmons
It was the 30s.
joe rogan
Let's go with the teens.
The 30s was the depression, right?
So the roaring 20s was before the depression.
Everything was going pretty good.
Pretty good.
But they were ruthless.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
What we call bullying.
It was like normal life.
Everybody was fucking horrible to each other.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, because they were recent immigrants and they were fighting for turf.
They were fighting for jobs.
The Irish and the Italians were fucking fighting each other.
unidentified
They didn't get food.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, they weren't exactly sure they were going to get food.
greg fitzsimmons
And they had 11 brothers and sisters.
So they were fighting at home before they even left the house.
joe rogan
Yeah, and good luck getting something that has a vitamin in it in the winter.
Everybody's malnourished!
They're horribly malnourished!
If you lived in the city in the 1920s and it was fucking 30 below zero out, there's nothing coming in or out.
You ain't getting no tomatoes.
Like, where are those coming from?
You gonna get a horse to drag those from New Jersey?
Like, what are you talking about?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's no food here.
greg fitzsimmons
Cabbage, that was your only vegetable.
joe rogan
Yeah, you got canned food.
You ate canned food for six months.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Back before shipping, just think how nuts it must have been to live in a city before there were any trucks.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
You had the Iceman.
Every couple days, an Iceman would come to your house and put it in your box.
joe rogan
That's what the Icehouse in Pasadena was.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, no shit!
joe rogan
Yes!
unidentified
Wow!
joe rogan
Before the Ice House was a rock and roll club, I think it was briefly a rock and roll club, then it became a comedy club.
It is the oldest running comedy club in the country.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, I didn't know that.
joe rogan
Yeah, the Ice House is the oldest.
And the Ice House, before it was any of those things, was a place that would store giant blocks of ice.
So you'd go and get a chunk of ice.
They would take some ice from fucking Greenland or some shit.
greg fitzsimmons
They weren't even making it.
joe rogan
How did they even keep that thing cold?
And they got it to America.
unidentified
Crazy.
joe rogan
Chunks of ice and they would get it to the cities.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You can get it in July.
They'd get you a chunk of ice.
unidentified
How?
joe rogan
How much loss did they have in ice?
Like, how big does the ice have to be when you start?
greg fitzsimmons
And how heavy is that shit to ship it over?
joe rogan
Oh my god.
If you got a truck filled with ice, okay, like, what year did they start bringing ice around?
Let's find that out.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, what year did that become a thing?
Because you know it wasn't a thing.
Like, during the Pioneers days, there wasn't an ice truck that would show up.
There's no way to get the fucking ice.
You know, when those people were trying to make their way across the country, no ice.
greg fitzsimmons
I'm gonna guess 1890. I think it's got to be after trucks.
joe rogan
I think it has to be.
Because you've got to get it around.
greg fitzsimmons
You can't just put it on a train.
When do trucks start?
joe rogan
1920. I'm watching Peaky Blinders, and as the years go on, their cars get better.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's interesting, you know, because it's kind of historically accurate in terms of the cars they were driving at the time.
It's really interesting, because in the beginning, they just, like, a bikini top over this shitbox, little fucking, little rattle machine.
Then at the end, they have, like, Bentleys.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they close the door, and it's luxurious inside, and, you know.
But I would say trucking, probably early 1900s.
greg fitzsimmons
What do we got?
joe rogan
I want to say like 1910. So what year was the first ice delivery?
jamie vernon
In which country?
joe rogan
In America.
When did they start delivering ice?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, Scandinavia.
They just fucking walked outside.
jamie vernon
I think they brought the practice over from England because it says it started in England in the 1600s.
joe rogan
Right, right.
But I'm saying when were they able to do it in America?
Because, you know, even if they do it in England in the 1600s, you probably get a fucking cart dragged by horses from the mountain.
Like, how far away is their ice?
jamie vernon
It sounds like they grabbed it from lakes here.
joe rogan
In America?
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Since it was a major part of the early economy in New England and the United States, we saw fortunes made by people who transported ice in straw-packed ships to the southern states and throughout the Caribbean.
joe rogan
Oh, so they only did it in the winter?
jamie vernon
I guess, yeah.
You just get it from Canada.
joe rogan
I wonder how long you can keep ice.
If you have like a Yeti cooler, you can keep ice for about seven days.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
In the summer.
joe rogan
It's pretty amazing.
greg fitzsimmons
Somebody should write a book about the history of ice.
joe rogan
Because those big, thick-ass coolers, like a Yeti cooler that you would take camping...
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You can get, those are amazing.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I got one of those.
joe rogan
Keep ice for seven, eight, nine days, which is nuts.
And if you take a Yeti and you take like a milk jug filled with water and freeze that and put a bunch of them in there, it'll stay cold forever.
It'll stay cold for so long, it got a large block of ice like that.
jamie vernon
This is from the 70s, but this is just like ice extraction.
joe rogan
Oh, this might not be them selling ice.
This looks like these guys are going to die.
unidentified
Yeah!
greg fitzsimmons
They got axes on the edge of the water!
joe rogan
That does not seem that thick!
jamie vernon
Take your ice and you put it in an ice box.
joe rogan
Ice box used in cafes of Paris in the late 1800s.
Wow.
jamie vernon
It's a box to store ice.
joe rogan
So how did they get the ice to them?
The first recorded use of refrigeration technology dates back to 1775 B.C. in the Sumerian city of Turquah.
jamie vernon
That's why I asked which country, because this goes back further than England.
It goes all the way back to, yeah, same time.
joe rogan
Same time.
I was off by 4,000 years.
Well, this is the same story, because that's cuneiform.
That's exactly the same story.
It's Mesopotamia.
The same country.
jamie vernon
Ice pits.
joe rogan
Ice pits from the 7th century BCE. Wow.
jamie vernon
Alexander the Great stored snow in pits that they dug for that purpose.
joe rogan
Wow.
jamie vernon
Imported it from the mountains.
joe rogan
Straw-covered pits.
So they recognized that they could kind of insulate it.
jamie vernon
And you'd sell it at a snow shop.
joe rogan
Wow.
Ice that formed the bottom of the pit sold at a higher price than the snow on top.
Oh, yeah.
More expensive for ice.
greg fitzsimmons
Because it didn't have piss in it.
That's the delineating factor.
joe rogan
How many guys pissed in that pit?
greg fitzsimmons
At least one!
The French are serving up some chocolate ice cream.
Did you mean this to be chocolate?
joe rogan
At least one guy pissed in there, for sure.
There's not a chance in hell nobody pissed in there.
Not a chance in hell.
greg fitzsimmons
Do you eat snow?
Like when you go out hunting?
joe rogan
You can eat snow.
I mean, you're going to have a certain amount of pollution depending on where you are.
You're eating what's in the air.
greg fitzsimmons
It's amazing how bad it gets in New York in the winter, how fast.
That shit falls, and an hour later it's gray.
joe rogan
Well, in New York you have a lot of things going on, and one of the things that people don't take into consideration is brake dust.
You have a lot of brake dust.
So you have all these cars that are constantly doing stop-and-go traffic, so the brake dust in the air is pretty significant.
That shit that you get on the inside of your wheels, your car wheels, and you have to clean off that black stuff, that's brake dust.
So that's spraying out from every car in the 405. So when you're riding your bike, I'm being healthy.
You're literally breathing in brake dust, you fucking psychopath.
No filter, taking it right in the face.
jamie vernon
Is that Central Park or something close to it?
It says it was the first one in the United States, the first ice pit.
joe rogan
Ice pit.
13 feet in diameter and 18 feet deep.
Many tines of ice were cut from a nearby river in the winter, transported by wagon to the ice house, deposited into the ice pits.
The blocks of ice fused into one giant mass.
Gravel at the bottom of the pit drained water from the melting, and the thick stone walls and straw insulation minimized heat loss from the ice house above.
Morris claimed he was able to preserve ice from one winter to the following October or November.
Wow!
That's crazy.
So, utilizing the 54 degree constant temperature underground, people have been storing ice in caves and pits since at least the Roman times.
That's pretty dope.
Oh, look at this.
It relied on a natural phenomenon, but also an overwhelming mass of ice, good drainage, and the super insulation of the building above the ice pit to provide refrigeration through hot Philadelphia summers.
Pretty fucking dope.
16 feet deep and they would just store ice and that's how you get your ice.
greg fitzsimmons
For nine months.
joe rogan
That's pretty amazing.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
People are pretty goddamn ingenious.
You know, human beings ingenuity to figure things out.
How do we keep this fucking ice when it gets hot as shit out?
Imagine if we can keep the ice.
What do we got to do?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
How about dig a hole?
How cold is it down there?
It seems colder down there.
And just experimenting how long you can keep ice.
You're putting massive blocks of it from the river and stacking it, and then you're going to sell it.
greg fitzsimmons
All right.
And all these experiments.
People are dying.
Well, that didn't work.
Everybody died.
joe rogan
A nice whiskey with a couple of ice cubes in the middle of July.
That's worth it.
You know, with your friends at the country club.
Clink.
You know how they get this?
I got a guy.
greg fitzsimmons
Maybe that's why they call it on the rocks, because it's surrounded by rocks in the pit.
joe rogan
No.
I think ice cubes are like rocks, right?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, there's a lot of schools of thought on this.
unidentified
Isn't it funny when you go to some restaurants, they give you a hot rock you cook yourself on?
greg fitzsimmons
What?
joe rogan
Like, ooh, exciting.
You never done that?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
No?
greg fitzsimmons
A hot rock?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It'll literally be a hot rock that you can't touch, and then you have little strips of steak, and you lay them on the rock.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, like a Korean barbecue place.
joe rogan
Like Wagyu.
They'll do it at sushi places.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Where they give you a hot rock and you put your little strips of beef on there and you flip it over.
Isn't it exciting that you're cooking for yourself?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And yet it's super expensive.
greg fitzsimmons
I know.
And then they make you clear your own plate and go in the fucking kitchen and wash it.
joe rogan
No, they don't.
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
You made that part up.
But it is funny that it's exotic to cook your own food.
Like, how can't you do that?
unidentified
Yeah, right, right.
joe rogan
Isn't this what I'm here for?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why am I cooking?
greg fitzsimmons
I remember there was a Seinfeld episode where Kramer was pitching a pizza place where you make your own pizza!
And he had a friend invest and the guy had a restaurant and he went out of business.
joe rogan
Korean barbecue is fun though.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I like Korean barbecue.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's fun.
But you know what you're getting into when you get there.
It's not one dish that you have to cook for yourself.
It's the whole experience.
That's fine.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I know what I'm getting into.
But if I go to a restaurant and you give me a hot rock, and like, here's your meat, that's the hot rock, cook it on the rock.
Like, what the fuck are we doing here?
But people love it.
Like, ew, I'm cooking myself.
unidentified
Look, I'm doing it.
joe rogan
Should I flip it now?
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Wait, sorry?
joe rogan
When do I flip it?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
And then you gotta go to the salad bar.
I gotta walk to get my salad?
joe rogan
Well, that's Brazilian steakhouses.
That's the sneaky move they have is all you can eat.
Everything's all you can eat, but the salad bar is too.
So before you eat, you go to the salad bar and you're eating fucking artichoke hearts and cheese and this.
And then they come by with as much meat as you possibly can eat.
And then you have a card.
You flip it.
If it's green on top, they keep coming by with different meat.
And when it's red, you tap out.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I remember that.
We went to one of those places in Vegas.
Was it Fogo de Chao?
joe rogan
Fogo de Chao, yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
This place is the best.
joe rogan
Because you just start eating.
You don't have to wait for the food.
The worst is when you're really hungry and you're in a slow restaurant.
You're like, oh my god, this is killing me.
But if you go to a place like Fogo de Chao, that food's coming right at you.
You could be stuffed in 10 minutes.
greg fitzsimmons
All different cuts.
Yeah.
That's when you gotta take a little walk.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I've never seen anybody go harder than Ari at Fogo de Chao.
It is insane how much she eats there.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Insane.
And I go, why?
He goes, it's a Jewish thing.
unidentified
Free food.
joe rogan
I go, are you serious?
He goes, yeah, that's all I can eat.
unidentified
I can just keep eating.
joe rogan
I go, you're kidding.
He's like, no, I'm not kidding.
I can keep eating.
Doesn't cost any more money.
greg fitzsimmons
That's awesome.
unidentified
He's so funny with it.
joe rogan
But he's like, he's shameless.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Shameless.
With lamb chops?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bring them over.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I thought I could keep up with them.
I could not keep up with them.
greg fitzsimmons
I was in South Africa one time, and we were at a game park called Pilanesburg or something, and they had a restaurant next to the game park, and you would go there, and I remember it was called Carnivore, and you go in, and they come over with skewers, but it was like, you want some giraffe?
You want some hippo?
You want some buck?
Everything.
I tried everything.
joe rogan
What was giraffe?
Giraffe is...
Giraffe's a tough one.
Because they seem to not want to fuck with anybody.
They're cool.
Your baby could feed them at the zoo.
It's the only animal at the zoo.
It's a giant fucking animal.
It's 50 feet tall.
And your two-year-old baby can give it lettuce.
And the little tongue comes out, wraps around, and takes the lettuce.
And no one's worried about the giraffe doing anything harmful to people.
That's a weird one to eat.
Like, if I could avoid eating a giraffe, I would like to.
greg fitzsimmons
And how are they not dead?
I mean, how do they protect themselves?
joe rogan
Well, they stomp things, first of all, because they're like a wild horse.
It's like a giant antelope thing.
Like, what species is a giraffe?
Like, technically, what is it?
Is it an antelope?
Like, what is it?
You know, like a moose is in the deer family.
unidentified
Do you know that?
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Moose is the largest of the deer family.
It's like elk is in the deer family.
Giraffe is a large African hoofed mammal belonging to the giraffa, Janus giraffa, the tallest living terrestrial animal and the largest ruminant on earth.
Traditionally, giraffes have been thought of as one species, giraffa Cameloperalis.
greg fitzsimmons
Camel.
joe rogan
With nine subspecies.
So is a camel related to...
It is, right?
That's what I remember.
I think it is related.
Is a camel related?
Just put it in as a camel related to a giraffe.
What do you think?
I think they probably are.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Hmm.
Okay.
Giraffa Camelopardalis.
No.
Camelopardalis.
Camelopardalis.
Oh, fuck that last word.
How's that one go?
Giraffes get part of their Latin name, Camelopardalis, from the long camel-like necks and leopard-like spots, but they are more closely related to okopies rather than camels or leopards.
So they're not related to camels?
Oh, look at that fucking thing.
We've seen those before.
It looks like a zebra fucked a deer or something, doesn't it?
greg fitzsimmons
It's like the bottom half is one animal and the top half is another animal.
joe rogan
Beautiful, though.
Forest giraffe.
greg fitzsimmons
How do you mix with a giraffe?
Because how do you fuck it?
joe rogan
Well, you have to be another giraffe.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
That's why they don't mix with anybody.
joe rogan
Giraffes do the fucking.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't think anybody fucks the giraffe.
The giraffe has to do the fucking.
It's to decide it's going to get down there.
greg fitzsimmons
That's right.
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, trees, like the acacia tree, when giraffes eat them...
All the trees that are downwind recognize that a tree upwind is being eaten by giraffes, and so it changes its flavor profile.
It starts releasing these phytochemicals that makes it taste like shit.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit!
jamie vernon
It says an antelope's the closest living relative to a giraffe.
joe rogan
Okay, so it is an antelope species.
The weirdest antelope is the one that we have in America, because we have a Jurassic animal in America, the pronghorn antelope.
It's not like any animal in North America.
It's literally an animal that was a part of the giant group of animals that lived in North America like 65,000 years ago, but it's one of the rare ones that's still here.
Because it evolved to get away from a North American cheetah.
So it runs way faster than anything.
Nothing can catch those things.
You ever seen them?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
Pronghorns?
They're cool as shit looking.
But when you see them when you...
That's not a good picture though.
You want like a picture of the males?
Just pull up pronghorn antelope.
The males have these crazy horns and these eyes that can see like probably...
Almost to the entire back of like behind their ears.
They have a crazy range of vision.
It's like a deer size.
I've seen them in the wild.
They're really cool looking.
I've seen them in Utah.
greg fitzsimmons
Beautiful.
joe rogan
Really cool looking.
But when you see them run, you realize like, oh, this is not from around here.
They run so much faster than anything else.
So like mountain lions, coyotes, good luck, bitch.
You're not catching that guy.
That guy's fucking insanely fast.
See if you can find a video of one running.
So it says, born to race cheetahs.
So there was like 65% of North American megafauna was killed off somewhere around 10,000 years ago.
And these motherfuckers made it.
But they're a part of that old group that included like the North American lion, North American cheetahs.
There was a bunch of crazy shit that was here.
Just, you know, 15,000 years ago.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
Crazy shit, dude.
There was a lion that lived here that's bigger than the African lion.
Like, the biggest lion ever was in North America.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, we had a crazy big lion here.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
joe rogan
That's pretty wild.
It makes sense, though, right?
If you think about all the buffalo, there'd probably be a cat big enough to kill that thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, some giant-ass lion.
greg fitzsimmons
All right.
joe rogan
Like, way bigger than the African lions.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
I just saw a video on the internet of sloths having sex.
joe rogan
How was it?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, it was as exciting as you would think.
It was like, first of all, like, the mating call, like, the female was, like, a mile away.
And it was like, this is this little...
Like, this little noise.
And he just perks up.
He goes racing down the tree, which takes like a day.
And then he has to go through these, like, croc-infested waters.
And he just keeps hearing the noise.
He keeps going.
And he gets to the other side.
And he climbs up the tree.
There's another male.
They, like, go to battle.
There's, like, a sloth battle with their three little claws.
unidentified
Whoa.
greg fitzsimmons
And then the guy gets to the top.
And the female's there.
And he gets on top of her.
And it's just like...
One stroke, three, goosh, done.
That was the whole thing.
joe rogan
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
Like, think about how horny those fuckers are.
Like, the average married couple, like, what does it take to get laid?
You just gotta listen to your wife for a little while.
Yeah, how was your day?
And just listen, and you're in.
And even then, men are like, I don't know.
That's just...
It's a lot to ask.
joe rogan
But just imagine...
Having this strange urge to go where that sound is and not having any reference.
Like the first time it happens to you, right?
Say you're a sloth, you're two, you get your first heart on, like this is crazy, and then you hear...
Why do I need to go towards that sound?
You don't even know what you're doing.
You have no idea why you're going there.
If the sloth has never been laid before, it has no idea.
Why am I being drawn to this sound?
Why is this smell?
It's all just instincts.
That's the noise?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
unidentified
He's like, I'm getting some pussy.
joe rogan
Is that all the sloth?
Or was that one sound the sloth?
Oh, there it is.
Oh, that's pretty loud.
unidentified
Yeah, you hear that.
joe rogan
That's the bat signal for Dick.
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
And then, but the amazing thing is like, when you think about that, what drives animals, us being animals, to do the things we do?
I was thinking about this when I watched this law thing.
All the things that gratify us, that nature has taught us to procreate in order to, you know, whether it's eat, your stomach hurts, and the joy of the taste of food, all these things that are built into us as animals that keep us procreating, the fucking, even like you got an itch.
And you take your nails and you scratch it.
Well, there was probably a reason because there used to be bugs embedded in your skin or dry skin or like everything that we do is somehow built into rewards and punishments that are unconscious to us.
You know, and are they going to be able to – can you program that into people eventually to alter behavior?
joe rogan
Not just that, to eliminate all the things that make us human, unfortunately.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Like, you want the good with the bad?
Or do you—what do you want?
Like, because the only way to have the good is you've got to appreciate that it's good.
And how do you appreciate it?
Because you've experienced bad.
If you only get good, you get a spoiled rich kid, and they're a nightmare.
Or you get Joffrey, the king, you know?
That's what you get.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
No adversity, all the power in the world, terrible for everybody, right?
So, it's like, you gotta have some down.
It's like, it's a part of the program.
It's part of the program of becoming a better person.
Like, you have experience, good, and I think even in the world, unfortunately, we have to see evil to recognize that people are capable of evil, to really...
Understand what kind of game are we playing here?
Especially when it comes to like international conflicts, especially ones that don't have any day-to-day effect on your life here in America and whether you support them or you don't support them like you're it's not affecting you, right?
But it's effect it's somewhere if you were there if you were in Yemen and you watch those fucking drones launch Hellfire missiles into this wedding party like you would recognize like There's a lot going on that's evil.
There's good and there's evil and it's real.
And there's this weird battle going on with human beings.
And I think that battle almost has to take place to motivate people to be better.
greg fitzsimmons
You think that's where there's war?
Cyclical war?
joe rogan
There's no reason why it should exist today.
There's no reason why, as educated as we are in history, that we should be willing as a people, as groups of people to ever invade other places to steal their resources.
There's no way we should be doing that.
At this point, with the kind of communication that human beings have with each other around the world, there should be a way to reasonably communicate and share goods and ideas and compete and take part in each other's commerce.
I sell to you, you sell to me, everybody gets along.
This should be totally doable.
In 2024. The fact that it's not and that no one thinks it's ever going to be is what's terrifying about being a person.
Because that's the thing that keeps you up at night.
The thing like if one of these fucking assholes, one of these greedy cocksuckers that's under the boot of the military industrial complex decides to push it a little too far and someone decides to shoot a nuke off.
And then we're in this new thing where cities could just disappear.
You know, it's not just a September 11th where two buildings disappear and a bunch of people died and it's a horrible tragedy.
No, no, no.
The whole city gone.
Boom.
One city down.
Now, shut the fuck up or we'll bomb all your cities.
Now your power doesn't work anymore.
Oh, no.
Where do you get your ice?
Well, you better go back to the old ways and get a fucking ice pit because you don't have electricity anymore.
That's not hard to do.
Like, someone could take out our electrical grid pretty fucking easy.
And these assholes that are in charge of the world, in all countries, that are still playing this fucking game of maybe we'll kill you all.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, it's like a big game of chicken.
And there's no...
Like, when we were kids, I don't know if this happened in your school, but, like, we had drills.
We had nuclear war drills.
Like, it was a day-to-day existential worry that people didn't sleep because of nukes.
Those same fucking nukes are tenfold today in terms of the arsenals.
joe rogan
And way more people have them.
greg fitzsimmons
Way more countries have them.
And there's way more – when you look at what's going on in the Middle East, like that is a fucking – that is going to explode at some point and it's going to happen fast because there's all these alliances where if one country does it – Eight others are going to do it the same day.
joe rogan
Peter Thiel was talking about that, that it's the ultimate dilemma when it comes to nuclear power, because nuclear power is more efficient than other power, and it's actually greener.
It's probably safer for the environment, especially with the kind of nuclear reactors capable of building and designing today.
But they didn't realize that if you give someone nuclear power, it's really easy to turn that into nuclear weapons.
They thought it was a lot harder than it was, and they did it for India.
And he was saying, then they realized, like, India got the nuclear weapon.
And it's like, oh.
Okay, so now we can't just give everybody nuclear power because then you have everybody has nuclear weapons.
And what if it's some fucking warlord who's on amphetamines in the middle of the Congo and he decides he's going to nuke his neighbor?
People can get crazy, especially if they have a lot of money.
You know, they're selling drugs.
They're kidnapping people.
Whatever they're doing, they got a lot of money.
And now they have a nuclear weapon.
greg fitzsimmons
North Korea, man.
Once North Korea has it, it's a fucking...
joe rogan
They have it.
greg fitzsimmons
Do they?
joe rogan
Yes.
North Korea has nukes.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit.
Oh, they don't have the long-range delivery systems yet.
joe rogan
They say they do now.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who knows?
But there was a famous nuclear bomb that went off that they kind of denied in North Korea a while back.
What was that?
They think it might have been an accident.
It's hard to tell, you know, because North Korea is pretty tight with their propaganda.
But I remember there was some nuclear detonation was detected in the mountains, and they were trying to figure out if it was on purpose or if it was an underground thing.
Because they do underground nukes too, which is crazy.
It just may trigger an earthquake, but let's find out.
Let's just detonate a nuke a mile under the surface of the earth.
Fucking psychopaths.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, we did it in Oklahoma in, I guess it was like maybe the 50s or 60s.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
And they didn't tell people to leave the neighboring towns.
And there's all these people.
The cancer rates were through the roof.
joe rogan
Here it says...
Okay.
Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty has been detected seismic activity in more than two dozen stations around the world, confirming that man-made explosions have occurred near North Korea's nuclear testing sites.
For example, in 2016, the CTBTO detected a 4.85 magnitude seismic event, which North Korea claimed was a hydrogen bomb test.
In 2013, the CTBTO detected a 4.9 magnitude seismic event, which is about twice as large as the 2006 test.
So they just keep making them more powerful.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, what magnitude was like Hiroshima?
joe rogan
Oh, look at this one.
In 2024, South Korea's weather agency estimated that a nuclear weapon blast yield was between 50 and 60 kilotons based on a magnitude 5.6 detection.
The South Korea's government initial estimate was 100 kilotons and the NORSAR seismology center estimate was 120 kilotons.
It's so crazy that a nut, a crazy person, just some fucking maniac dictator has that.
Like, you could take, oh, you fucked my cousin?
Guess what?
It's like, I'm gonna fucking, I'm gonna nuke your town.
greg fitzsimmons
Or they want a legacy.
joe rogan
Hiroshi was only about 15 teletons.
greg fitzsimmons
So four times the size.
joe rogan
Nagasaki was 25. Holy shit.
Isn't it funny that Hiroshima gets all the credit, but meanwhile they got the bitch-ass bomb?
greg fitzsimmons
That's right.
One was an atomic and one was a hydrogen, right?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Is that the truth?
greg fitzsimmons
I think so.
The Little Boy.
joe rogan
Is that the big one?
Is that the one that was on Hiroshima?
So Little Boy was Hiroshima and Fat Man was Nagasaki.
Wow.
Imagine you get your fucking, your instructions, you're a fighter pilot, and that's what they tell you?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what you're gonna do today?
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
What are we doing?
You're gonna be the guy.
What do you mean?
You're gonna be the guy that drops the bomb.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
What bomb?
We have a nuclear bomb.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
What does that mean?
Like, what does this thing do?
Well, you're going to drop it and then you got to get the fuck out of there.
unidentified
Right, right.
greg fitzsimmons
And don't look back because it'll rip your eyeballs out.
That might be my tea mug that you just grabbed.
joe rogan
Oh, is it it?
greg fitzsimmons
I think so.
joe rogan
I just poured coffee in it.
I'm sorry.
greg fitzsimmons
No, I'm done with it.
joe rogan
I thought it was my coffee.
greg fitzsimmons
I'm on to coffee now.
joe rogan
There's too many mugs.
I'm confused.
I was not seeing my mug because the microphone was like perfectly shielding it.
I was like, oh, that must be my mug.
greg fitzsimmons
There's a great series on Netflix right now about the Cold War.
It's like three episodes, but it goes through, you know, just the espionage that went behind it all and, you know, how the nuclear codes got to Russia because, was it the, what was it?
It was the couple, the Rosenbergs.
And there was a few people that basically got the information to Russia.
And then once that happened, like everything fucking changed.
Like after World War II, basically in World War II, We bombed Japan not because they weren't going to surrender.
This is what this documentary talks about.
There was an end in sight.
They were crawling.
They were on their knees.
But Russia had sent forces into Japan as our allies to help finish the war.
We didn't want them getting any of the credit.
So we bombed while Japan was en route.
While Russia was en route, we bombed Japan.
joe rogan
Whoa.
greg fitzsimmons
So once we did that, Russia was like, oh, it's on.
Fuck them.
We need, we need, and they basically just, they realigned their whole military, their whole budget.
Everything was about getting nukes after that happened.
Those bombs didn't need to be dropped.
unidentified
That's okay.
joe rogan
Yeah.
How complicated is that, too?
Because if they don't drop those bombs, we know the bombs exist and no one's dropped them.
Do you think it would have been worse if the world didn't see the horrors?
greg fitzsimmons
You're probably right.
joe rogan
Because as they keep getting better and no one's dropped one on anybody yet, and then we're talking shit, I'll fucking do it, man.
I'll be the first guy.
I'll be the first.
You know, if Hitler had a nuke, you don't think you would have launched it?
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
100%.
unidentified
100%.
joe rogan
He's cranked up on all kinds of fucking drugs.
They were shooting animal hormones into him.
They were experimenting on him.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, that's right.
I heard about that.
joe rogan
This book, Norman Ohler.
Norman Ohler, I've sold your book so many times.
It's a crazy story.
He was in here explaining it all.
Hitler had this one doctor that he trusted.
He didn't trust the SS doctor because there was a lot of people wanting to get rid of Hitler.
There was a lot of attempts on his life.
And this motherfucker had one doctor that was giving him all the goods.
And he was just out of his mind.
If you gave that guy a nuke at that time, 100% he's nuking somebody.
greg fitzsimmons
Of course.
What wouldn't he do?
What was he not capable of?
joe rogan
Exactly.
greg fitzsimmons
And I think the same thing is true of Kim Jong-un right now.
joe rogan
He was friends with Trump.
Trump went over, shook his hand.
They're pals.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Seems like you just need a friend.
unidentified
He's friends with Dennis Rodman.
joe rogan
Maybe Dennis Rodman can be the official envoy.
Maybe if Trump wins, Dennis Rodman becomes the official envoy and we fucking settle things out.
greg fitzsimmons
Imagine if that was how it all worked out.
joe rogan
Yeah, smooth things over.
Give the people electricity.
greg fitzsimmons
Dude, it's so mysterious when you hear about people that escaped from North Korea and they talk about how...
Literally, it's the thought police.
joe rogan
I just sent Jamie something.
It's so funny that we're talking about this.
I sent Jamie something this morning that I saw, where this guy has one of those crazy satellite dishes in his backyard, and he picks up a channel from North Korea.
So it's a guy in Ontario, and I sent this to you on a text message.
jamie vernon
Yeah, but that's not what you sent me, so the wrong link got copied.
joe rogan
No way!
jamie vernon
You sent me the football video.
greg fitzsimmons
Stepsister?
joe rogan
No, I sent you something before that.
jamie vernon
No.
joe rogan
I didn't?
Oh my god, I didn't.
You moron.
What did I do?
Did I save it?
God, I thought I sent it to you.
I must have accidentally sent it to somebody else.
unidentified
What is it?
jamie vernon
The North Korean guy that picks up salad?
joe rogan
Yes, it's an Ontario man picks up North Korean television.
Fuck, I thought I sent it to you.
greg fitzsimmons
Fuck.
joe rogan
But he'll find it because it's becoming viral now because it's really nuts.
You see the propaganda.
So this guy just tunes in to this broadcast of North Korea because he's got one of them.
Remember when people had those crazy dishes like that thing in their backyard?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I remember a guy had that.
I thought that guy was a wizard.
Like, look at him.
He's getting TV from Ireland.
He's watching snooker on the BBC. So this dude tunes in to the North Korean broadcast, like whatever it is that they broadcast through North Korea.
And it's all propaganda and Kim Jong-un is like literally people fall down like he's the Beatles.
Like when he shows up.
greg fitzsimmons
He shot a round of golf.
He shot a 27 in 18 holes.
jamie vernon
That was his dad.
joe rogan
Look how people freak out when they see him.
Yeah, you shot like nine holes in one, right?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
But also, if you don't react like that, the police see you, and they put you in a fucking gulag for like five years.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're fucked.
You better cheer.
Yeah, the power that he has is just absolute.
greg fitzsimmons
And then if they find out that, you know, you have a relative overseas that's bad-mouthing North Korea, your family gets put into a fucking camp.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
And not only that, it's a generation after generation thing.
Like the children, if you have children in the camp, they're punished as well.
Yeah.
It's terrible.
greg fitzsimmons
It's so mysterious, too.
joe rogan
But he likes basketball.
greg fitzsimmons
He does?
joe rogan
Maybe Dennis Rodman can choose it all over.
greg fitzsimmons
Dennis Rodman, yeah.
If I had to pick one eloquent NBA star, it would be Dennis Rodman.
joe rogan
Send him over there with a bowling bag filled with mushrooms.
And just those two get together.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Meet God.
Just like he'd fix this thing.
greg fitzsimmons
He'd take that nuke like it was a fucking three-point shot.
He'd just reach up, stop it.
joe rogan
Well, what he's got to do before anything in that country is let those people be free.
Like, that is literally like a cult.
It's like a cult.
Like, the power that that one guy has and that government has over their people.
Have you ever seen Yeonmi Park talk about her experiences in North Korea?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
Oh, was she on here?
joe rogan
Yes.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah, I did see that.
joe rogan
She escaped North Korea when she was 13. Yeah, that was crazy.
It's crazy.
Yeah.
It's crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
Dude, and it's going into China.
China uses, I don't want to say which supermarket chain because I don't want to malign somebody, but one of the major supermarket chains.
They have meat processing plants where China brings in North Korean slaves.
They are kept in barracks with barbed wire fences, and they work for 12, 14 hours a day, seven days a week, and they get paid like $100 a month.
And then they come back to North Korea after like four or five years, and their families get this little fucking tidbit of money, but they don't have a choice.
North Korea picks what they think are the best examples of what North Korea is because they want to look good to China.
And they send those people over.
And they worked as slaves for years.
And the American companies are buying food from these plants in China.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, it's an article in The New Yorker about it.
joe rogan
Well, if we're buying things, I mean, that's one of the weirdest parts about manufacturing going away in America.
Because so many of the things that we buy are from mysterious places.
Like, when people found out about what was going on at the Foxconn factories that were making iPhones, that they had fences and nets all set up around the roof to keep people from jumping off.
greg fitzsimmons
Suicide nets?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
You've never seen it?
No.
Show those images.
It's bananas.
So instead of fixing it, they said, you know, let's just make it harder to die.
Like, these people, they just, they don't want to work here.
greg fitzsimmons
Do you bounce off the net back into the factory?
joe rogan
Look at those nets.
That's to stop suicide.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
That's how to stop suicide.
That's how many people are trying to kill themselves.
Because you're working 16 hours a day.
You sleep there.
They have dormitories.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And this is why your phone costs X instead of Y.
And if we had American factories making all these things, you wouldn't have that consideration.
You would know, oh, they have to abide by regulations and everybody has to be over.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, and this doesn't even factor in the African mines where they're pulling up the – what's the metal?
The cobalt mines where they send people into these mines that are like a mile deep and you maybe make it back up.
Maybe you don't.
The elevator sometimes stop working.
You go down there for like two or three days at a time in the blackness.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Have you ever seen the video of the Chinese mine collapsing?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
See if you can find that.
There's been a few, but there's one really good video of this collapse of this mine.
It's fucking terrifying.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's terrifying, dude.
Because basically, they dug into the whole side of this hill, and then it just falls on them.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
joe rogan
This massive amount of dirt and land and the smoke and the dust.
You're like, oh my god, how many people are dead?
Just crushed to death so that you can have an iPhone.
Watch this.
Look at this.
greg fitzsimmons
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Holy shit, dude.
Where is this mine, Jamie?
What did it say in the beginning?
unidentified
Mongolia.
joe rogan
Mongolia.
Fuck, dude.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
Mines are terrifying.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, you hear noises like, and you're like, get the fuck out of here with you.
Go.
Just get out of here.
greg fitzsimmons
That was the Irish.
We all came over and went into the mines.
joe rogan
Well, all the people in Kentucky, right?
greg fitzsimmons
And the Appalachias.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Do you know why they say those people in Appalachia are more violent?
greg fitzsimmons
Why?
joe rogan
Because they come from herding populations.
I think it was in...
Was it in Sapiens?
Or whose book was that in?
Maybe one of Malcolm Gladwell's books?
But basically they're saying that the reason why there's more, like when they used to have feuds, you know, like the Hatfields and the McCoys, that type of thing, and they would kill those people.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think that was Sapiens.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So the idea is that these people who are farmers, well, it's very difficult to steal all your corn.
You can't steal all your corn.
But you could steal someone's sheep, all their sheep.
And so if you're a herder, you have to be on guard constantly of thieves who come in and take all your animals all at once.
You have to be super violent to protect your flock.
And those guys came over here with that sort of attitude.
greg fitzsimmons
Huh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
That's funny because you think of like the shepherd is this like kind of archetypal figure of this guy who's just kind of laying back with a piece of hayseed in his mouth, chilling out.
But now they're warriors.
joe rogan
You have to be.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because you'll lose all your food.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like if your family relies on those sheep, you have 20 sheep and you got to follow them and graze with them.
You have to bed down with them.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If someone comes along and tries to...
That's why cattle rustlers, they would kill them.
They would kill horse rustlers.
People stole horses and cows.
In the Old West, it was one of the worst things you could do.
You steal a man's horse, they'll fucking kill you.
You steal a car today, you get a slap on the wrist.
There's guys out there that stole 14, 15 cars.
Nobody gives a shit.
greg fitzsimmons
There's this comic.
I did Kill Tony last night.
This comic came up and he said he's got a Kia and it's been stolen four times this year.
I guess Kia has some kind of a defect, and you can read about it online, but it's like super easy, like old-school hot wiring.
You can just grab a Kia.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've heard about this.
greg fitzsimmons
They get stolen a lot.
joe rogan
Kia thefts.
It's a big deal.
greg fitzsimmons
I mean, the only downside is once you do it, you've got a Kia.
joe rogan
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
That's the payoff.
jamie vernon
It's mostly kids, though.
joe rogan
Mostly kids doing it?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
For joyrides?
jamie vernon
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You can do it in like 10 seconds.
greg fitzsimmons
Uh-huh.
jamie vernon
It's happened all over the country.
It's been happening for a few years now.
joe rogan
So they take it, go on a joyride, beat the shit out of it?
Yeah, they're just driving crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, there's nothing more joyful than driving a Kia.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, if you don't have a car and you're just trying to have fun, beat the fuck out of this Kia.
jamie vernon
They're not paying for it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's kind of hilarious.
They could just steal Kias.
greg fitzsimmons
I know.
joe rogan
But there's junk.
You know, but they're cheap and they don't break that much.
Like, if you just need something to get around, it just sucks that they could steal them so easy.
greg fitzsimmons
So you're not going to congratulate me?
Bought the Mustang.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
greg fitzsimmons
I sent you the picture.
joe rogan
That's right.
greg fitzsimmons
I finally did it.
I've been talking to you about it for 15 years.
unidentified
At least.
greg fitzsimmons
I wanted a Mustang.
And I always had kids in college.
I get fucking worried about money.
I always spent my money on trips.
Our family travels a lot.
Cars were never a big thing.
But yet there was always a teenager that fucking wanted a Mustang.
And then finally I just fucking did it.
joe rogan
Which one did you get?
greg fitzsimmons
Two weeks ago.
It's just a Mustang.
joe rogan
Which, what model?
greg fitzsimmons
The EcoBoost.
joe rogan
Is it the GT, the EcoBoost?
You got the six-cylinder engine?
greg fitzsimmons
I don't know what it is.
joe rogan
How is it?
greg fitzsimmons
It's fun as shit.
joe rogan
Yeah?
greg fitzsimmons
I took it up into the Malibu Hills or Santa Monica Mountains the other day with my wife.
And you've got those little, like, serpentining roads and fucking, it handles unbelievably.
Unbelievable!
And it's so low to the ground.
You turn and you just feel like you're turning with the car.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're not used to a car like that.
greg fitzsimmons
No.
No.
I was driving a Prius and a Subaru.
It was awful.
And now I feel alive for the first time.
I knew you were going to ask me if it was a fucking GT or something.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you're going to get a Mustang, you've got to get a V8. That's a great Fitzsimmons move.
unidentified
Baby steps.
greg fitzsimmons
Get that eco boost.
joe rogan
Baby steps, so now you're hooked?
greg fitzsimmons
I'm in.
joe rogan
Now you're in.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, now I got a little more money, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
My kids are out.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're fine.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Spending money now.
Spending like a main...
It's been a good couple years, but like...
It's all going back.
I put a lot of it into this special that I shot at your club, by the way, at the Mothership.
joe rogan
I heard it's great.
greg fitzsimmons
It's out today.
Oh, did you?
joe rogan
Yeah, I heard it's great.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, that's nice to hear.
joe rogan
The guys who saw it when you filmed it.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, it was fun.
It was, you know, because I was going to do it before the pandemic happened, and then that stalled it out, and then I came back.
I shot it at one place.
It meant too much to me to put out a bad version of it, so I edited it for three months and then I just fucking scrapped it entirely.
And then when I did, there we go, and then the great Adam Egott said, hey, we'd love to have you.
Joe, we'd love to have you do a special here.
And I was like, are you fucking kidding me?
And I came in, and I didn't have to do shit.
I didn't have to, like, build a backdrop.
Because Brian Simpson, I think, is the only guy that's put a special out from this place.
So, like, that backdrop is beautiful, and people haven't seen it much.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't think it matters anyway.
Like, how many fucking times have you seen people do stand-up from the cellar, and you see the brick wall?
You don't go, oh, that brick wall.
I can't even enjoy these jokes.
greg fitzsimmons
Right, right.
Yeah, but at the same time, I wanted it to be special.
It's been a long time since I put a special out.
And this material is like, again, I've been working on it for like eight years.
So I wanted it to really pop.
And so I bought in 800-pound Gorilla.
They shoot a lot of the specials.
And I spent some money and I did it right.
And I'm fucking psyched about it.
joe rogan
Nice.
And is it going to be on YouTube?
greg fitzsimmons
It's on YouTube right now.
It comes out today.
joe rogan
YouTube is the move, man.
It's such a good move for getting your stuff out there.
You can get millions of views, and everybody can get it.
You can get it on your phone.
You can share it.
That's the thing I love about YouTube is someone can send it to me, like a link to your thing, and I can just watch it right away, which is nuts.
There's no other platform like that.
greg fitzsimmons
And it's also, I love that I can see the comments, you know?
I mean, if you put it on Netflix or Comedy Central, I guess there's going to be some conversation on certain places, but YouTube, it's right fucking there.
And you can see how many people are watching it, and, you know, I just don't want my wife and kids to watch the last 10 minutes.
That's where I start giving it to the old lady a little bit.
joe rogan
Yeah, tell them to steer clear.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, they don't need to see that.
joe rogan
They don't need to see your act.
Come on, stay away from that.
That's my business.
That's for the rest of the world.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, you can see the trips I take you on.
That's all you need to care about.
Dad's Mustang.
That's all you're concerned about.
joe rogan
Yeah, now that you're hooked, I'm going to get you into something more crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Next one.
We're gonna step you up a little bit.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, you need to feel like...
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You need to feel some real excitement.
greg fitzsimmons
Feel the rumble under the balls.
joe rogan
Yeah, real rumble.
You need to hear a V8. You need to roll the windows down and rev it in a parking structure.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
What was that Mustang you drove into the comedy store one night?
You had like a 68 Fastback, was it?
joe rogan
No.
No.
That was probably my Corvette.
greg fitzsimmons
No, you had a Mustang.
joe rogan
No, I definitely did.
Oh, no, no, no.
I had a more modern Mustang.
Okay.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, maybe that's what it was.
joe rogan
I had a Shelby GT500. It was like a 2012 convertible.
It was great.
It was very rumbly.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was fun.
That car was ridiculous.
Any gas at all, when you're making a turn, the ass hand kicks out.
Any gas at all.
It was so overpowered.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Didn't have the fattest tires in the world, but god damn, it was fun.
That was the first one of those cars that I had ever gotten, whereas a modern muscle car...
I had muscle cars before, like the old school ones, but the modern ones are even more fun to drive, because you can actually drive them.
They actually have good brakes.
They actually have good suspension.
They're designed well.
If you get a modern...
Mustang has a thing called the Dark Horse.
So the Dark Horse is their top-end car that you can get with a manual transmission.
It's fucking great.
It's like 500 horsepower.
It handles really well.
See if you can find Mustang Dark Horse.
That's their top of the line before they get into the GT500, which is only automatic.
So I think the Dark Horse is the last one that you can get that's got a standard transmission.
Right, right.
I need that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you have a muscle car, I need that fucking...
I need that.
That's it.
That is a sick car, man.
That's a sick car.
I just love that they're still making cars like this.
They're just full-on muscle cars, but with performance suspensions and great brakes now.
greg fitzsimmons
I know, because that was the wrap on old Mustangs.
They were fast, but you went into a corner and you got slammed against the side of the car.
joe rogan
Look at that thing.
Nasty.
Those are fun.
greg fitzsimmons
I don't know what it is about Mustangs.
It's just the American car to me.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, they're fucking incredible, man.
And they've been around forever.
I have a 68. I have a 68. Like one that looks like Steve McQueen's one from Bullet.
unidentified
Bullet.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fucking great.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, that's the one.
joe rogan
The 68. The great.
It's an American car.
Like a truly American car.
greg fitzsimmons
Is it all new guts?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, it's all new.
It's for this company Revology makes them.
They take it from the ground up.
It's basically a 2023 1968 Mustang.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, even the doors close really well, push buttons start.
You feel like you're driving a new car.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it sounds, sounds right.
It feels right.
Yeah.
Like it's exciting.
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
I know my wife wanted me to get a Tesla and I was like, I want to feel it.
I want to feel that fucking rumble.
Tesla's actually faster though, isn't it?
joe rogan
Way faster.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
My Tesla's my fastest car I own, for sure, by far.
Not even close.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's 1.9 seconds, zero to 60. Damn.
That's insanity.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, it's insanity because then people don't hear you coming, and you're going that much faster.
joe rogan
That's true.
That's true.
But it also gets you away from things.
Like if you see something about to happen, you could get out of there quicker.
You can merge on the highway instantaneously.
You never have to worry, am I going fast enough?
Like if I merge in this lane, am I cutting this too close?
You could just, you're gone.
greg fitzsimmons
And are the brakes that much better?
joe rogan
No.
No.
You could get upgraded brakes though.
There's a company called Unplugged that will take it and they put upgraded brakes.
They widen the fenders and put wider tires on it and change the suspension and make it tauter.
But the brakes are good.
The brakes on...
They're not the best brakes on my Tesla.
It's not like a Porsche's brakes.
Like a Porsche with like...
Ceramic, carbon ceramic brakes, those are incredible.
Like, if you get, like, a really good modern brake setup, you know, six-piston, six, you know, front brakes, those big calipers, those things can really fucking slow down a car quickly.
So the Tesla's not as good as those, but it's good enough.
But it's a heavy-ass car, too.
They're having a problem with...
Guardrails.
I was reading this thing about electric cars.
They drove one of those Rivian trucks.
It just goes right through those guardrails because it's way heavier than a regular car.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, no shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, you have to think about that.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, Rivian's had a big callback.
I think they're okay now, but they called back like every one of them at one point.
unidentified
Oh, for what?
greg fitzsimmons
Like a year ago.
I can't remember what it was, but...
joe rogan
You know what's incredible?
Have you seen a Lucid?
Lucid Sapphire?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
Lucid Sapphire is...
The company's kind of struggling.
They're having a hard time selling these things.
But I think they have some Saudi Arabian money now, so maybe they're going to be okay.
But they have a thing called a Sapphire that's One of the most insane electric cars ever built.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
It's like a Mercedes, like incredible attention to detail, like incredible interior, luxurious, and zero to 60 is even faster than my car.
I think their zero to 60 is something bonkers, like 1.7 seconds.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Scroll back up where it says the acceleration.
Here it goes.
Okay.
2.2 seconds to 60 miles an hour, quarter mile of 9.28 seconds, which is bananas for a car.
That is so crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, it's so fast.
But it also has incredible...
So it says, the timer backs this up with more outrageous numbers, zero to 60 in 1.9 seconds, and then a 9.05 second at 154 miles per hour for the quarter mile, which is bananas.
That's so fast.
And it handles really well, great brakes.
greg fitzsimmons
Have you taken the Tesla onto a track?
joe rogan
No.
But it's a lot more expensive.
I think those are like, that one, the Sapphire, I think that's like a quarter million dollars.
greg fitzsimmons
Where is it from?
joe rogan
I believe it's an American car.
At least it's made in America.
I think they make them in Arizona.
Insane car though.
greg fitzsimmons
250 grand.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So they're doing cars like that now where it has all these things, but you still have to charge it.
But now Samsung apparently is coming out with a new battery for electric vehicles that they've apparently been working on that can charge in nine minutes and it has a 600 mile range.
greg fitzsimmons
I heard about that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
That's a game changer.
joe rogan
Game changer.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Nine minutes is a game changer.
greg fitzsimmons
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
That's a game changer.
But I'm going to plug it in and I'm going to run away because who fucking knows how long the amount of juice that's going into that batteries.
Who knows if a gas gets loose or who fucking knows, man.
I don't want to be nowhere near those batteries.
That scares the shit out of me.
greg fitzsimmons
I know.
joe rogan
Have you seen those videos of guys getting in elevators with e-car batteries or e-bike batteries and the batteries explode?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I've seen that.
joe rogan
And they just fry.
greg fitzsimmons
And people's houses burn down because if you leave it charged in your garage, it will ignite sometimes.
joe rogan
And it blasts fire.
It doesn't just light on fire.
It blasts fire.
It's like it's all condensed in there.
And when it goes, it goes like a fucking firebomb.
There's a video of a guy in an elevator.
It's horrific.
He sets it down on the ground and it just like sparks and then just full on fills the elevator with fire.
There's nowhere to hide.
This guy just cooks alive inside that elevator.
greg fitzsimmons
Imagine that.
You're trying to save a few bucks by getting an electric bike and you burn your house down.
joe rogan
There's also this ridiculous thing that we have where we think that that's eco-friendly.
I'm going to be eco-friendly.
I'm going to drive my electric bike.
That is not eco-friendly.
You're using electricity.
That electricity probably requires...
Somewhere, somewhere, someone's burning something to make that electricity.
Whether it's coal or, you know, it could be natural gas.
Something's happening where there's a combustion and that's how you're getting this electricity.
What is that putting into the air?
You lazy bitch.
Just ride your bike like a regular bike rider, you fucking lazy bitch.
Oh, don't show me this.
greg fitzsimmons
That also doesn't even get into what we're talking about with the cobalt mining that has to go into it and the disposal of the batteries, which nobody really understands yet.
joe rogan
I changed my mind.
Show it to Greg.
I was saying don't show it to me, but show it to Greg.
Greg needs to see this.
So this poor dude, he sets it down.
Now look.
Oh, it's before he even set it down.
Bro, it just...
Yeah, death.
Just death.
Yeah.
It freaks me out, Jamie.
jamie vernon
Someone looked into what this was, and there's a lot of stories on what it may have been.
I'm not really sure.
greg fitzsimmons
I'll tell you what a luxury hotel is.
You know what a luxury hotel is?
You put me up in this beautiful hotel.
And the elevators are always there.
That's the difference between a good hotel and a bad hotel.
joe rogan
Right, when you have to wait.
greg fitzsimmons
No matter what floor you're on, you push the button.
I swear to God, two seconds, the thing is there.
And then I'm in the middle of, I'm on the road for a month right now.
I'm home for two days because I'm out promoting the special and doing road work on the weekends in between.
So I was like, yesterday I was like, fuck, I gotta do some laundry.
And so I look on my Google Maps, is there a place for drop-off service?
Nothing.
I would have to drive like 15 minutes in an Uber.
So I was like, fuck it, I'll just do the hotel laundry.
And it's like a luxury hotel.
So I put my clothes into the bag.
It was five pairs of socks, five t-shirts, and five pairs of underwear.
I came back, it was $105.
I was like, fuck, man!
joe rogan
You could have bought those.
greg fitzsimmons
Exactly.
joe rogan
Dom O'Rear used to do that.
He used to buy fresh underwear and fresh socks everywhere he went.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
He goes, I don't want to wash them.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's great!
unidentified
He made good money, he didn't care.
greg fitzsimmons
I mean, if you're gonna spend money on something...
joe rogan
Just buy new socks, throw them away.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, right, right.
And I don't buy expensive socks, you know?
But I had already turned...
joe rogan
Again, who's making those socks?
greg fitzsimmons
That's right.
joe rogan
You know the Sheen?
Is that that clothing company that sells stuff real cheap?
greg fitzsimmons
I don't know.
joe rogan
Have you heard of that, Jamie?
Sheen?
I was just reading something today about people finding letters, like, please help me.
I have dental pain, like that kind of shit.
I'm forced to be stuck here.
Did Sheen get in trouble for using child labor?
Is there something about that?
greg fitzsimmons
And what store is selling Sheen?
joe rogan
I think it's an online thing.
greg fitzsimmons
Okay.
Because I know sometimes the big ones like Walmart, they get in trouble for some of the places they shop.
joe rogan
Well, that's the thing, man.
It's like if you're buying something from an American store, you have no idea where it was made and how it was made.
Conspiracy theory claiming Sheen workers sent pleas for help in clothing has tens of millions of views on TikTok.
There's no evidence to support this particular theory, despite criticism of Sheen's business model.
Yeah, but Google Sheen in trouble for child labor or confirms child labor.
There was something about that today.
There was something in the news, child labor...
Yeah.
Okay.
This just says two cases.
Sheen says it found two cases of child labor in its supply chain last year.
So you've got to think, right, like they send their stuff to factories to get those factories to make their stuff.
greg fitzsimmons
If they found two in China, I mean, China, they protect what's going on in these factories.
You think...
I mean, does this count the North Koreans that are being held?
joe rogan
Right.
Well, maybe it's not for this company.
The company said it did not find any cases of child labor in Q4 of 2023. That's real specific.
Did you look?
jamie vernon
It started off.
That was only found during Q1 and Q3 or something earlier in the year.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
So in Q4, they weren't doing it anymore?
greg fitzsimmons
Which is weird because that was the kid's name that they caught doing child labor.
joe rogan
It should be made in America.
You should be able to buy American stuff.
And there's not that many companies that are selling things in America, unfortunately.
greg fitzsimmons
Tom's Shoes.
joe rogan
Tom's Shoes?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is that what you buy?
greg fitzsimmons
It's called Tom's, yeah.
They sell you a pair of shoes and they donate a pair to a third world kid that has no shoes.
joe rogan
Oh, that's nice.
greg fitzsimmons
You know those barefoot kids?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's nice.
greg fitzsimmons
I'm not barefoot anymore.
joe rogan
There you go.
greg fitzsimmons
What are the companies?
I guess Patagonia, they're very conscious about where they manufacture.
joe rogan
I would imagine any of those, like, rocky mountain climbing people companies, you know, like North Face.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
They'd have to be pretty ecological.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I heard REI's not doing good.
greg fitzsimmons
What do you mean?
joe rogan
The company?
greg fitzsimmons
Their practices or the company?
joe rogan
No, the company's not doing good.
greg fitzsimmons
Dude, I fucking love that company.
joe rogan
Love that place.
greg fitzsimmons
They got one in Marina Del Rey that's huge.
And I don't know, I get so excited just walking through the aisles finding cool shit.
joe rogan
It's the only place where you buy waterproof matches on a whim.
I'm like, yeah, I might need those.
greg fitzsimmons
Right, right, right.
I need a canteen that I can also take a shit into.
joe rogan
I need a 100,000 lumen flashlight in case there's a fucking raccoon in my garbage.
Boom, motherfucker!
Have you seen those flashlights they have?
greg fitzsimmons
They have crazy flashlights.
joe rogan
Some of those LED flashlights, they're so powerful.
It's bananas.
But we used to have flashlights, they were bullshit.
greg fitzsimmons
I know.
joe rogan
You had that one stupid bulb and that silver reflective area on the outside supposed to amplify the light from this one shitty light bulb.
greg fitzsimmons
And you had to put in those giant flashlights.
Double D batteries that weigh like eight pounds to carry it around.
joe rogan
I think they all need those now.
Well, I think with these really high lumen lights, the LEDs don't draw much electricity.
greg fitzsimmons
Dude, all my camping stuff is solar.
joe rogan
Really?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, my lanterns are all solar.
It's great.
Oh, wow.
They collapse.
It's collapsible, and then it pops up.
I think it's a Coleman.
It collapses, and then it pops up, and then charges.
It's got a nice light.
joe rogan
My friend Adam Greentree, he does a lot of these...
He's doing solo hunts where he goes into the backcountry for like a month at a time, just him by himself living off the land.
And he has this, it's like a tarp you lay out.
It's a solar tarp, like you unfold it.
And he uses it to charge his phone, charge his cameras, like anything he wants to charge.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I bet you those boats, those people that take a boat from, you know, Hawaii to mainland US, they must have, everything must be solar.
joe rogan
You have to have something solar.
You have to have at least some kind of backup.
Like if your generator goes down, you're stuck in the middle of the fucking ocean, you can't even rescue, you know, like send a rescue message.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Dude, if you told me we're going to send you on a sailboat to Hawaii, I would be like, I'll just die.
You could kill me.
Going into storms with 20-foot waves on a sailboat.
joe rogan
In the middle of the ocean, dude.
In the middle of the ocean.
How about that guy that died in Italy?
Do you hear that story?
That crazy story?
So there's this guy who was on trial.
He was some billionaire character who was on trial for...
I forget what the charges were, but there was a very low probability of him beating the case, and he wound up beating it.
And then...
He's on the island of Sicily.
He's around Sicily in the ocean and a water spout out of nowhere hits his boat, sinks him and kills him.
I believe killed his daughter and maybe a few other people as well.
And then some people swim to safety.
But what are the odds that this water spout takes out this one guy's yacht Right after this guy gets off on, apparently, allegedly, ripping off a bunch of very wealthy people.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Now his co-defendant gets hit by a car.
He gets killed too.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit.
joe rogan
Nothing to see here.
greg fitzsimmons
Not in Sicily.
That shit never happens in Sicily.
joe rogan
I don't know if the co-defendant got killed in Sicily.
The co-defendant might have got killed somewhere else.
But I know they're both dead.
greg fitzsimmons
Damn.
joe rogan
Quick.
Yeah.
It makes you wonder.
Like, don't fuck with rich people.
Do not.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because they can make someone rich to get rid of you.
How much do you think you're worth?
If someone's worth $80 billion and you rip them off for $5 billion, you're like, I want this motherfucker dead.
And you go for a walk on a beach with a guy, and everybody leaves their cell phones at home, and you explain how it's all going to get done.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then a water spout just shows up in the middle of the ocean.
I mean, what are they using?
Are they using satellites?
What access to fucking killer weather technology do they really have?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
What do they have?
Like, let's assume this is a conspiracy, because it might not have been.
It might be God.
God might have said, fuck this guy.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which is horrible, because he also said, fuck the guy's daughter and a bunch of people working on the boat.
But if God did that, it's pretty crazy, right?
That's one option.
One option is it's some strange karma that God just decided it's your time.
Another option is just complete coincidence.
Just this took place to this guy.
He's just on the ocean and shit happens.
It's just crazy just circumstance and people are going to attribute it to a conspiracy.
The other possibility is that they can do that, that some force in the world has the kind of technology that can direct a storm to a very specific spot, that can create a water spout.
greg fitzsimmons
Like seeding the clouds or something.
joe rogan
Something probably more important, more complicated than that, like some sort of a direct energy weapon.
Something where they can do something with the ionosphere, do something with lasers.
I don't know what the fuck they're using.
But some kind of technology that can amplify weather and point it to a very specific place.
Which is crazy to think.
Imagine if there's a hurricane machine out there.
If we know that, like, Japan starts talking shit.
Oh, yeah?
You want to talk some shit?
unidentified
How about we send a hurricane your way?
joe rogan
And you don't even know you can do hurricanes.
So if you don't know that we're creating the hurricane, you think you just got hit by a hurricane.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Like, how much control do they have over storms?
greg fitzsimmons
Or sieges.
Like, a siege used to be you surrounded the city and you kept any food from coming in.
Now, how about a drought for a year?
joe rogan
Right.
Right.
Maybe they can do that.
jamie vernon
The story says that potentially could have been avoided if the ship had been treated or cared for correctly because they knew that a storm was coming and they didn't do some things they should have done, including button down all the hatches, lift up the anchor, and a few other things were on the list I saw.
So there's an investigation going in.
They might have manslaughter charges or something.
joe rogan
Probable that offenses were committed because of the way that people set the boat up.
jamie vernon
Yeah, they're not even positive.
They could have survived that storm if those things were done.
joe rogan
Stop trying to be a party pooper.
I'm trying to promote a conspiracy theory over here.
So imagine if you do have control of the weather, what would you do?
You'd start a storm first.
Can't just have this water spout appear out of nowhere.
Let's start a fucking storm.
Guys out there boating?
Okay, let's start a storm.
Can they start a storm?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, how much control?
I mean, I don't know anything about it except like, what do they call it?
Cloud seeding?
joe rogan
Cloud seeding is real.
greg fitzsimmons
How much control do we have over the weather now?
joe rogan
Well, cloud seeding is real.
They do it in Abu Dhabi once a week.
So they have, it rains once a week in Abu Dhabi, because they're insanely wealthy, right?
And they're like, wouldn't it be nice if it rained?
So let's fucking make it rain.
So there's chemical Z spray in the clouds, and it's something about it changes the weight of the water vapor.
greg fitzsimmons
But there has to be clouds.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think there has to be clouds.
But there's kind of always clouds, like some clouds.
In Dubai though recently they had a disaster where they they fucked up and they over amped and they got more rain than they've had in seven years And so there's like supercars like floating down the street like mad flooding because they don't really have the Infrastructure to deal with that kind of water like just pouring down.
Did you see any of that footage?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
I'm pretty sure this has all been They've all tied this into cloud seeding See if that's true.
But the footage of the flood is fucking bonkers.
greg fitzsimmons
So if there's cloud seeding, will there not be fighting between places about who gets to pull the water from the clouds?
Because you'll exhaust the air in the water eventually, in the sky eventually.
joe rogan
I wonder if that's true.
I wonder if there's more up there than we think there is.
And I wonder what the negative consequences are.
Like, does it have an effect on other parts of the world?
So the heavy rainfall continues to pound UAE. Several flights canceled.
So it was...
I had some friends that were over there while this was happening.
They said it was nuts.
Like, they're just not designed for that.
So buildings were leaking.
Like, everything was flooded.
These buildings are not really set up.
Look at all those cars sunk underwater.
These buildings, some of them are not really set up.
Look at the fucking airport.
That's nuts.
It's like a swimming pool.
They're not set up for this kind of rainfall or any kind of rainfall.
They probably did a shit job building them and they didn't weatherproof them.
They didn't think it was going to rain.
greg fitzsimmons
When you're in the desert, sometimes that shit backs up.
joe rogan
Yeah, but this is like raining for days.
So was it because of cloud seeding?
Does it say?
Google that.
I'm pretty sure they attribute it to the cloud seeding.
Which is nuts that they can do that.
greg fitzsimmons
That's wild.
joe rogan
So we can make it rain.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So that's kind of simple though.
That's not starting a storm and it's certainly not directing a storm.
So it makes you wonder, like, okay, that seems pretty straightforward, how they do the cloud seeding.
But is there any sort of technology that's even feasible that would allow you to manipulate the weather?
So if we understand the conditions in which certain storms emerge...
Like hurricanes.
It has to do with the warming of the ocean, like the ocean water.
greg fitzsimmons
And then a cold front coming in above it.
joe rogan
There's a bunch of different factors that happen, like would it be possible to mimic those conditions or to artificially stimulate those conditions?
Is it even feasible?
Like, how would you warm the ocean?
That's insane.
It's so big.
How are you going to do that?
jamie vernon
I'm saying this is just a crazy weather event that happened with like a low pressure system not moving right.
They had forecasted that it was going to happen.
joe rogan
Did they do any cloud seeding though?
jamie vernon
There's reports that cloud seeding may have had the thing, but the BBC says they're unable to independently identify whether cloud seeding took place.
joe rogan
Right, because if I was working for the UAE, I'd be like, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Cloud seeding?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, you know how much insurance is involved in all this?
No, no, no, this just happened.
Do you know how much money is lost there?
Just think of that.
Think of how much repairs, how many cars got drowned.
I didn't do it.
I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Cloud seeding?
What is this, a science fiction movie, bitch?
greg fitzsimmons
It's 20 people.
That's the department of cloud seeding.
joe rogan
We're not cloud seeding.
greg fitzsimmons
And they fucked up.
joe rogan
We're not cloud seeding.
We just...
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It rained.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It rained in the middle of the desert.
greg fitzsimmons
By the way, the BBC... When I think about, because everybody talks about which news sources can you trust, and neither side trusts the other side.
BBC kind of feels like the place we can all go, that's pretty good.
joe rogan
They're pretty good.
Yeah, it's real hard with anything that's a corporation.
If you really want to get news, I get some unbiased news.
There's a thing, what is it called, 1492?
Is that what it's called?
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
It's basically just fact-driven news stories, no editorial bend to it whatsoever.
greg fitzsimmons
Not owned by a board that's on one side or the other.
joe rogan
Exactly.
So I get that.
greg fitzsimmons
That's how I trust, like...
joe rogan
BBC's pretty good.
Guardian, BBC... But anybody that's got some sort of an agenda, any one way or the other, you know...
Whether it's to minimize one person's activity or maximize another person.
Just tell me what happened.
Tell me who did what and what took place and just don't give me any words like far right.
Don't say extremist.
Don't say any of that stuff.
Just tell me what a human being did, what another human, like what started this.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, that's why I prefer People magazine over us because, like, when I see Ben Affleck with a giant Starbucks cup and it says he's just like us, I'm like, fucking, that's it.
That's the real deal.
That's fact.
I used to read People Magazine every week.
My wife was working at a doctor's office and I'd say, fucking steal that People magazine.
joe rogan
So nuts.
greg fitzsimmons
I just love...
I don't know why.
It's because it's so much...
After all the other bullshit news that you're looking at, just to go like, alright, I want to see a country singer who's got a new fucking baby.
It's sweet.
joe rogan
It's all just super low frequency information.
I used to love those fake ones.
Which ones were the ones that were talking about Bigfoot and UFOs all the time?
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, the National Enquirer?
joe rogan
No, not that one.
National Enquirer was like gossipy stuff.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, the something.
joe rogan
World News.
greg fitzsimmons
World News Report.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
That's the one.
Those are great.
Yes!
joe rogan
They had the worst, like, Photoshop pictures.
And I'm like, give me that.
What did you do?
What did you do?
greg fitzsimmons
My father was, you know, my father was in broadcasting and he did a lot of voiceovers.
And so one of his accounts was the, it was the National Enquirer.
And his voice would come on every week.
All the commercials for National Enquirer would come on.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's it, that's it.
jamie vernon
I don't want to cut the story, sorry.
joe rogan
Just let me see some of those.
Look at the bat child.
Look at that.
Look at the bat child found in cave.
greg fitzsimmons
Hillary Clinton adopts alien baby.
Does look like Chelsea a little bit.
joe rogan
There's bat child found in cave.
Look at that.
Bat boy leads cops in three state chase.
First photos of heaven.
They're amazing!
unidentified
It's amazing!
Computer virus spreads to humans.
joe rogan
Princess Diana's alive.
Batboy sided in New York City.
Batboy got a lot of coverage.
She must have sold a lot of episodes.
Pregnant man gives birth.
Look, that was ridiculous back then.
Now it's like, of course.
Of course he gave birth.
Oh my god.
There's Bigfoot runaway bride.
greg fitzsimmons
But look at the bride.
It's so clearly like a holograph.
They didn't even try.
joe rogan
It's a drawing.
unidentified
It's a big foot with a fucking veil on.
joe rogan
Oh my god, Fat Cat owns 23 old ladies?
Titanic captain found a lifeboat.
Did you see that one?
Oh my god!
unidentified
Oh, that's amazing.
greg fitzsimmons
It's so funny.
joe rogan
They were so good.
They were so good.
It was just ridiculous enough.
They were like, give me that.
Give me that.
What did you do?
You son of a bitch.
It was the onion before the onion was.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, there was always Bigfoot stories.
greg fitzsimmons
A lot of Bigfoot stories.
joe rogan
Oh, Jackie with Crippled Kennedy, proving he didn't die in Dallas.
greg fitzsimmons
He just got crippled.
Yeah, getting shot in the head will make you crippled on your...
joe rogan
It's funny, just circle a blurry photo.
That's him.
greg fitzsimmons
How the fuck do you know that's him?
joe rogan
It's so stupid.
They just lied to you.
But the lies are so ridiculous, it's like, it's okay.
Like, some kind of fraud we allow.
Like, we allow, like, preachers.
Like, televangelists.
greg fitzsimmons
Preachers?
How about fucking religion?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
How about this new kind of, like, the Christians are taking over the country and forcing us to put the Ten Commandments on the sides of fucking courthouses and get it taught in schools?
joe rogan
Who's doing that?
greg fitzsimmons
It's a fantasy!
joe rogan
Wait a minute, who's doing that?
greg fitzsimmons
What, the courthouses?
joe rogan
Yeah, where's that happening?
greg fitzsimmons
What state is that?
Maybe it's Texas?
unidentified
I don't know.
Really?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Was the Ten Commandments always there, or are they trying to reintroduce it, or are they trying to introduce it?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, there's different Ten Commandments, first of all.
There's the Catholic Ten Commandments, and then there's the Lutheran Ten Commandments, so I don't even know which one they're using.
Is it Alabama?
One of the states is forcing them to put the Ten Commandments inside of courthouses.
joe rogan
ACLU sues over Ten Commandments in courthouse, saying biblical text violates religious liberty.
greg fitzsimmons
And this is from 2001. This is in the last year.
joe rogan
Are you sure you haven't been just on the Liberal News Report?
greg fitzsimmons
Positive.
joe rogan
Probably get it in Venice.
You guys all lie to each other.
greg fitzsimmons
It's all about homeless people and the Ten Commandments.
jamie vernon
There's a story about a monument between the Texas State Capitol building and the State Supreme Court building.
joe rogan
Oh, it's just a monument?
It stood on grounds between Texas State Capitol building and the State Supreme Court building.
Monument was one of several scattered around the Capitol grounds.
Its location did not draw special attention to it.
greg fitzsimmons
That's not it.
joe rogan
You know what scholars from Israel think the Ten Commandments were?
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Moses and the burning bush, like that whole thing?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
They think it was DMT. They think that the acacia bush is very rich in DMT. Yeah.
And they think it's indicative of a psychedelic experience.
And this is the, instead of smoking this compound, it's a burning bush.
Like this is how you would get that analogy.
Especially when you're dealing with a story that's told over a thousand years before it's ever written down.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it's translated in all these different languages, but if you break it down to what it is these scholars now believe...
jamie vernon
I love that.
joe rogan
...some sort of a psychedelic experience where he comes back and said, God has given us these rules to live by.
greg fitzsimmons
In that case, I'm in.
I'm in on those Ten Commandments.
They came from somewhere real then.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, I think all of it, if you stop and think about...
I always bring this up, but it's a good point.
Like, in the beginning, there was light.
Well, isn't that the Big Bang?
I mean, we believe in that.
Like, all...
Scientists that are studying the origins of the universe believe in the Big Bang.
There's new people like, well, not new, like Sir Roger Penrose, who has been on the show before, who now believes that the Big Bang was the end of another universe and that it's probably this endless cycle.
And it's not as simple as there was nothing and then there was something, that there's always this expansion and contraction and then these cosmic events take place and they birth new universes.
greg fitzsimmons
They just manifest different types of life forms at different times.
joe rogan
That's all completely speculative, right?
What they do know is what they can see, right?
So what they can see is some sort of evidence, some sort of a background evidence of this event that took place.
They're still arguing about how much time ago it took because of the James Webb telescope.
They've seen some structures and some galaxies that Are so far away they shouldn't have been able to form in the amount of time that it took from the current understanding of the Big Bang.
And some people want to push the Big Bang back 22 billion years now instead of 13 billion years.
But it could be that that's just as far – because that's 22 billion years it takes for light to get there.
To reach us.
But if it's 100 billion years, that shit's never going to get there.
We're never going to see it.
So if it goes back further and further than that, it's just not available to us.
We don't have the ability to see it yet.
But we might.
Now with the James Webb, they can see far further back.
And with new telescopes they invent, and new methods of detection, they might be able to realize there's no end to this thing.
And there was no beginning, and it just keeps happening.
greg fitzsimmons
It's more logical than it not being true.
I mean, there's obviously—I mean, all the laws of physics are about the, you know, energy and mass not disappearing.
It exists, and there's different wavelengths that all life exists.
We're in such a slim— You know, a frame of energy that...
And now I feel like I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.
joe rogan
I know what you're saying, though.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, but it's not logical that there would be just this and not infinity.
joe rogan
It's silly.
But it's also, even if there wasn't, The universe is so crazy just what we know.
Even if we said, oh, it's only 13.7 billion years old.
You don't even know what that means.
You know how fucking big that is?
And by the way, we're not at the end of it.
It's not like it blew up and we're as far away.
We look back.
That's what we see.
No, it goes that far that way, too.
So it's fucking immense.
Beyond imagination.
You could put it into numbers, you could write it down, billion this, that.
It doesn't even register.
You can't imagine how long it would take to get there.
You can't imagine if you're going to speed of light something taking 13.7 Billion years to arrive at.
It's so big that even if that's it, that's the whole thing, even if it's finite, even if they define the universe as a structure, it's finite and it is X amount of billion years of light year travel until you reach the end of this structure.
Maybe it like rotates into itself.
Who knows?
It's still insane!
So the idea that it doesn't have a boundary, that there's more of them, that there's a multiverse, that there's an infinite number of them.
One of the theories is that in the center of every galaxy, there's a supermassive black hole, and if you go through that supermassive black hole, you will find another universe with hundreds of billions of galaxies.
Each one with a supermassive black hole in the middle of it, go through that, hundreds of billions of universes.
That it's never-ending and fractal.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, and also the fact that we can travel at a certain speed and the fact that there isn't another life force that can go instantaneously through incredible distances.
joe rogan
Probably for sure they can.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, we were talking the other day, I had this guy on, and we were talking about imagine if you were living in the Roman Empire and you showed them a garage door opener.
They'd be like, what the fuck?
This is crazy!
You're nowhere near that thing.
You press a button and it goes up?
That's nuts!
It's a radio frequency, something you can't see, feel, or touch.
We think it's so crazy, but it might be how we travel through space in the future.
Just zip to some new spot.
It'd be super normal for us.
What, are you going to fly there like an idiot with a jet engine?
greg fitzsimmons
You're gonna need stopovers to refuel.
joe rogan
Yeah, and you hope you don't get hit by a micro meteorite along the way and you get annihilated.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You hear about those people that are stuck in the space station?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bro, Elon has to go rescue them.
greg fitzsimmons
Is that what's gonna happen?
joe rogan
Yeah, Boeing can't get them.
They're having failures with their jets.
Apparently Boeing at one time was talking shit about SpaceX, and now Elon's talking shit to Boeing.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, that's great.
joe rogan
Because they're gonna have to go rescue those people.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Is Russia or China, is anybody else going to the space station we can catch a ride from?
joe rogan
It would be nice.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That would be nice.
I don't know.
But I know you can't stay up there too long.
It's really bad for you.
greg fitzsimmons
I heard it's like nine months is the forecast right now of how long they can stay up there.
jamie vernon
Do you know how long they're supposed to be there for?
joe rogan
No.
jamie vernon
Eight days.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
No!
greg fitzsimmons
And how long are they saying?
I heard something like nine months.
jamie vernon
This is no fewer than 240...
The Starliner...
It will amount to no fewer than 240 consecutive days since the spacecraft launched.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, so nine months.
joe rogan
When do they run out of food?
When do they run out of food?
greg fitzsimmons
When do they start eating each other?
joe rogan
Bro, when do they run out of food?
How much food do they have up there?
How can they have enough food?
How is it even possible?
What do they do with their shit?
They shoot it out into space?
Can't do that.
What if it lands on somebody?
Kill them.
greg fitzsimmons
That's happened before.
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, they dropped it out of planes.
Frozen turds have come through people's fucking house roofs.
Yeah.
Like a brick of shit from the sky.
Boom!
Imagine you're watching the Super Bowl.
Like, this is amazing!
A brick of frozen shit from 180 passengers comes crashing through your kitchen roof.
greg fitzsimmons
Damn.
Who do you call for that?
jamie vernon
Their ride is wisdom.
unidentified
They just can't safely take it back.
joe rogan
Why?
jamie vernon
The helium leaks in several issues with smaller thrusters.
It's been docked at the space station.
So like earlier this week they announced that it will undock without a crew in early September and come back to Earth while they wait for their ride sometime in 2025. Oh my god, in 2025. We are in August right now of 2024 talking about this.
Would you want to not just get on the thing and go with it?
greg fitzsimmons
No!
unidentified
You're left in space.
joe rogan
Would you take your chance?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Oh, you might take your chance.
jamie vernon
What if you're almost out of food?
joe rogan
Right, you might take a chance.
greg fitzsimmons
You know what's so fucking crazy is that it takes this long.
When you think about like, what was it, 1969?
When we went to the, when did we go to the moon the first time?
unidentified
Allegedly.
greg fitzsimmons
Say allegedly.
Allegedly.
unidentified
Allegedly.
greg fitzsimmons
That they basically took with no real computers, with, you know, none of the technology we have today.
Picture a 1969 fucking Camaro going up into space.
They got up to space in, you know, and they had a space program that was very accelerated.
They did this shit fast because Russia had thrown down the gauntlet.
They had already gotten there.
We wanted to get on the moon first.
joe rogan
Well, we all had Nazi scientists.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, that's right.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Russia got a bunch and we got a bunch.
greg fitzsimmons
But dude, they got up there and then somebody hit a wrong button when they, I think, I guess this was, what was the first one?
Apollo 13?
Yeah.
They hit a wrong button on the computer and they went off course and they self-corrected on a fucking onboard computer.
Because, you know, if you miss the gravitational pull, you just fucking spin out into space and it's over.
And these dudes somehow made it.
With a V8 engine.
They just got to the moon.
I think it was an EcoBoost.
And then now today, how is it that it still takes us this long to do the same thing that they did 50 years ago?
joe rogan
Well, do you know that the Apollo missions were the only time that they ever sent a living thing into deep space and had to come back alive?
greg fitzsimmons
What?
joe rogan
Yeah.
They never sent anything into deep space.
They never sent a monkey to the moon and had to come back alive to see if the people could survive.
The first time they did it was with people.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, seems odd.
greg fitzsimmons
Damn.
joe rogan
Seems odd that no mission other than the Apollo missions has ever been past Earth's gravity.
Yeah.
So the way all of these missions, like the space station mission, they're all like 300 miles, 350 miles, space shuttle missions, everything's inside 300 miles.
greg fitzsimmons
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
Because it's inside the Van Allen radiation belts.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So this is immense band of radiation that covers the Earth that...
I forget how many thousands of miles, but it's outside of where all the space travel is.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Except the Apollo's.
They went through it, no problem.
And they tried to blow a hole through it once.
They actually ignited a nuclear bomb in space.
It was Operation Starfish Prime.
So they shot a nuke up into space to try to clear a pathway so they could shoot a rocket through it and have no problems, and it made it way more radioactive.
unidentified
Whoa!
joe rogan
It had the opposite effect.
Instead of blowing a hole through it, it just supercharged the belt.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit!
joe rogan
Yeah, it was a crazy experiment.
The idea that they would shoot a rocket into space and blow up a nuclear bomb.
greg fitzsimmons
What year was that?
joe rogan
Like pre-satellites?
67, 68, somewhere around then.
Maybe slightly earlier than that.
greg fitzsimmons
Okay.
Because now you'd fuck up all the telecommunications if you did that.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Well, maybe.
It depends on where you do it, I guess.
But a solar flare could fuck up all of our communications.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
One good blast and all of our satellites are down.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Starfish Prime is a high-altitude nuclear test conducted by...
It's just a test, Gregory.
A joint effort of the Atomic Energy Commission and the Defense Atomic Support...
Oh, 62. It was launched in Johnston Atoll in July 9, 1962. It was the largest nuclear test conducted in outer space and one of five conducted by the U.S. in space.
A Thor rocket.
Imagine your name on your rocket.
unidentified
Thor.
joe rogan
Thor.
Containing a W-49 thermonuclear warhead designed at Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory and a mock MK-2 re-entry vehicle was launched from Johnston Atoll in the Pacific Ocean about 900 miles west-southwest of Hawaii.
The explosion took place at an altitude of 250 miles, not that high.
greg fitzsimmons
No!
joe rogan
That's not that high.
That's like right at the border of where I think the belts start.
I think the belts start at like around 300, 350, something like that.
Starfish test was one of five high-altitude tests grouped together as Operation Fishbowl.
I think in Hawaii they had power outages because of it.
Wow.
But did they have power outages?
Does it say they have power outages in Hawaii?
Does it say anything?
This is a whole Wikipedia on the thing, right?
Yeah.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
I believe they did.
I think that was one of the issues.
After Effects.
Okay, here it goes.
While some of the energetic beta particles followed the Earth's magnetic field and illuminated the sky, other high-energy electrons became trapped and formed radiation belts around the Earth.
The added electrons increased the intensity of the electrons within the natural inner Van Allen radiation belt by several orders of magnitude.
What?
There was much uncertainty and debate about the composition, magnitude and potential adverse effects from the trapped radiation after the detonation.
The Weponeers became quite worried when three satellites in low Earth orbit were disabled.
These included the TRAAC and the Transit 4B. The half-life of the energetic electrons was only a few days.
At the time, it was not known that solar and cosmic particle fluxes varied by a factor of 10 and energies could exceed 1 MeV, whatever that means, in the months that followed.
These man-made radiation belts eventually caused six or more satellites to fail.
As radiation damaged their solar arrays or electronics, including the first commercial relay communications satellite, TELSTAR. Yeah, as well as the United Kingdom's first satellite detectors on Telstar TRAAC engine and aerial one were used to measure the distribution of the radiation produced by the tests.
greg fitzsimmons
So we fucked up England's satellite.
joe rogan
Those guys are out of their fucking mind.
greg fitzsimmons
That's insane.
Hey, fuck it.
Let's try this.
joe rogan
They're so crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Oh wait, look at this.
Exposure in outer space, the fallout from Starfish Prime was less than other ground tests.
Estimate for its health impacts and excess deaths, including from thyroid cancer, are hard to find.
But overall excess deaths impact of thousands of above ground tests have likely amounted to between 10,000 and 100,000 lives.
Just from the tests.
That's what killed John Wayne, you know.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, is that right?
joe rogan
John Wayne and the whole cast of a movie he was on got cancer.
And they did these westerns out in Nevada.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, that's what I meant before when I said Oklahoma.
I meant Nevada.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Nevada had a bunch of them.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's why they got gambling.
Like, let's make a deal.
The Conqueror, 220 people on the set of The Conqueror.
91 were diagnosed with cancer, including both Wayne, who died in 1979 at 72, and his co-star, Susan Hayward, who died in 1975 at 57. Dude, John Wayne looked a lot older than 72 by the end.
That was a different time.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
They didn't have no vitamins.
They ate mayonnaise.
greg fitzsimmons
I know.
They had no sunblock, no vegetables.
joe rogan
They just came out with margarine.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Margarine was big.
You know, non-stick surfaces on pans were made out of fucking toxins.
joe rogan
That was him at the end.
greg fitzsimmons
72. Look at him.
Wow.
joe rogan
Rough.
Rough time.
Dies at 72. The Duke.
Oh, I'll tell ya.
A.I., Quentin Tarantino movie.
John Wayne, The Last Gunslinger.
greg fitzsimmons
They say when, remember when Brando had the indigenous woman go up and accept his Oscar?
joe rogan
And she wasn't really indigenous?
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, I didn't know that.
joe rogan
Yeah, she was a con man.
greg fitzsimmons
Apparently John Wayne went out.
They had to physically restrain John Wayne.
joe rogan
Oh, he went nutty.
Yeah, he went nutty.
Yeah, that lady was crazy.
Her sister's like, we're not Indian.
unidentified
Really?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That wasn't her name.
Yeah, she was like, outraged John Wayne had to be restrained by six guards during the Marlon Brando Oscar win.
I'll tell you what.
Find out that lady, that that lady was not really Native American.
She had made it all up.
She came up with a fake name.
She got up there with the whole poncho on and everything.
The ponytails!
greg fitzsimmons
She had the big tails, the braids.
It was Halloween at the Oscars.
joe rogan
Bro, she was like one of the first people that like stole culture.
greg fitzsimmons
And she spoke in like a broken English too.
unidentified
Yes!
joe rogan
Amazing!
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Amazing.
greg fitzsimmons
That's amazing.
joe rogan
Yeah, her sister ratted her out.
I'm pretty sure it was her sister.
greg fitzsimmons
Well that's what, I mean, talk about pre-internet, like the woman who ended up being a leader for the NAACP and she wasn't black.
joe rogan
Oh, Rachel Dolezal.
greg fitzsimmons
She was Jewish, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, you know, back then you couldn't be transracial, but I think that's coming.
I think she's ahead of her time.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think she's ahead of her time.
I think you could probably be trans-white and no one will call you on it.
Trans-white is like, let him be white.
That's fine.
I identify as white.
Okay.
No one cares.
No one gets outraged when a woman turns into a man.
You're like, well, you probably shouldn't have done that, but good luck to you.
Nobody gets mad.
You're appropriating male culture.
Women get mad when men become women and then want to go in the women's room and appropriate women culture and then join women's groups and tell women what to do when they're biological males who identify as women.
Women get real upset.
But if a biological woman Wants to hang out with the guys.
Wants to pretend to be a guy.
You're like, I want to get on the board.
Like, no one's getting threatened.
Okay, Frank, join the board.
greg fitzsimmons
That's a good point.
joe rogan
Who cares?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
jamie vernon
The Jonathan thing isn't true.
joe rogan
What do you mean it's not true?
jamie vernon
That he didn't rush the stage.
joe rogan
Oh, that's fake?
jamie vernon
While I'm looking for this thing, I found the story saying that they had to debunk it every few years because it kind of comes back up.
greg fitzsimmons
Maybe he knew she wasn't really Indian, so he didn't charge the stage.
joe rogan
Maybe it's one of them QAnon things.
So what is the lady, though?
The story about the lady?
That's what I really wanted to hear about.
Because that's kooky.
There's a kooky thing that people do when they always pretend to be Native American.
No one pretends they're Polish.
No, I've got Polish roots.
Like, no one.
No one does that.
greg fitzsimmons
No one pretends to be Irish.
joe rogan
No, no one says I'm German when you're actually not.
greg fitzsimmons
Although some people pretend they're not German shortly after the war.
unidentified
Yes, that's true.
joe rogan
Yeah, they moved to Argentina.
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
joe rogan
Yeah, a lot of them.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
Yeah, and Brazil.
Communities of Brazil, they speak German.
greg fitzsimmons
Boys from Brazil.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
The Argentina thing is crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, they had that show Finding Hitler, and they go down there, and there's, like, these people that have, like, photos of SS troops on their wall.
That was Grandpa.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
And they wear lederhosen, and they have fucking Oktoberfest down there.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
They all escaped.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
It's crazy, dude.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
They got out.
You hear the story?
jamie vernon
Yeah, but I'm making sure it's accurate because that was going around in 2022 and then more recently there's a documentary made and someone hired someone to look into all of this stuff and that's what I was just reading through to see what they found.
Because they might have found something that says that there is some sort of link but...
joe rogan
Yeah, but I'm pretty sure the the gal was she had some issues and was kind of like making stuff up.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm pretty sure.
greg fitzsimmons
That's fun.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Wild lady.
I bet she's fun to hang out with.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wants to pretend to be an Indian.
Like, okay.
greg fitzsimmons
A little imagination.
joe rogan
Let's go.
Let's go camping.
greg fitzsimmons
Let's see what you really got.
joe rogan
Yeah, show me how to start a fire.
greg fitzsimmons
Go catch a fish.
joe rogan
Here's two rocks.
unidentified
How do you do it?
joe rogan
How do you guys start a fire?
Show me how.
jamie vernon
Yeah, her sisters were saying she was a fraud.
joe rogan
Yeah, her sisters ratted her out.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Pull the story up.
jamie vernon
I'm trying.
It's covered by...
joe rogan
Goddamn ad blockers.
Yeah.
It's just that thing of people wanting to be something other than what they are is very weird, you know?
But the grass is always greener.
God, I wish I was a Native American.
That'd be so fucking cool, you know?
Like, you pretend you hear things.
unidentified
Shh!
joe rogan
There she is!
Sasheen Littlefeather.
What a great name!
Lied about Native American ancestry, sisters claim.
It's a fraud, it's disgusting to the heritage of the tribal people, and it's just insulting to my parents.
She was a nutty lady.
She was pretty, though, too.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, she was gorgeous.
joe rogan
That's probably how she tricked Marlon Brando.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
She's probably hot.
She rubbed up against him and was like, I love her.
Indians.
unidentified
A little feather.
joe rogan
Why don't you do me a favor?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That guy was out of his fucking mind.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Got an island.
Became 350 pounds.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Hung out by himself on an island.
greg fitzsimmons
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
But that's probably why he was so good.
You know, when you talk about, like, original comics, like, he's the original actor.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, Streetcar Named Desire?
Watch that movie.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, nobody acted like that back then.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, it was part of that whole—he went to the Neighborhood Playhouse in New York, and his class at the Neighborhood Playhouse was James Dean, Paul Newman—what was Paul Newman's wife's name?
She was a very famous actress as well.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't remember.
greg fitzsimmons
It was this one group that started, and it was, you know, Stanislavski taught Meisner.
Meisner started the Neighborhood Playhouse.
And that whole voice in acting that was based on listening and answering and being in the moment, and it was about finding emotional truth and coming from that rather than from the dialogue.
You didn't study the dialogue and recite it.
You found...
Where the emotional truth of where this character was, and then you just unleashed it, and you found the moment in that.
And that started this whole kind of, like, realistic acting.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Because before that, they were like, say, get away from my girl!
greg fitzsimmons
It was all rhythm.
joe rogan
I'll suck ya!
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, yeah, right, right, right.
Why I oughta...
joe rogan
Yeah, they talk so weird back then.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they talk fake.
It was like fake.
Like he was the first guy to like, oh, it seems like he's really experiencing that right now.
He's really upset.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
On the waterfront?
greg fitzsimmons
On the waterfront was incredible.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
It was great.
joe rogan
I could have been a contender.
greg fitzsimmons
I could have been somebody instead of a bum.
joe rogan
Which is what I am.
And everybody was like, whoa, who's this guy?
Marlon Brando.
James Dean.
Same kind of thing, you know?
They just broke down on stage.
The emotions they had.
And Newman, too, in The Hustler.
Oh, my God.
Incredible.
Incredible.
That's 1963. That's the year Kennedy was shot.
That movie came out.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, no shit.
I just re-watched it recently.
It's fucking dark, man.
It's so good.
joe rogan
So good.
greg fitzsimmons
Jackie Gleason was fucking amazing.
joe rogan
First guy ever to play a pool player that you could say, oh, that guy could actually play pool.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
He's the only one.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's the only one where I buy it, hook, line, and sinker.
You watch him play the balls, you're like, that guy can play.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
Yep.
joe rogan
But Paul Newman, like, come on.
greg fitzsimmons
Tom Cruise?
You weren't buying Tom Cruise?
joe rogan
No.
Rudimentary.
He didn't move the ball.
Anybody can make a straight-in shot if you teach them.
It's like, can you move the ball?
It takes so long to be able to stroke a ball, to be able to get draw, stroke, full-length draw, put English, side spin, adjust for the way it's going to deflect off the other ball, get position on the next shot.
That's what I want to see.
And you don't see that in movies where a guy's playing pool except for Gleason.
When Gleason's making those shots, you're like, that guy can fucking play.
He's going into the rack.
He's moving the ball around.
You're like, that guy's a player.
He can run 100 balls.
greg fitzsimmons
Was that character based on Willie Moscone?
No.
joe rogan
Neither one.
No.
Minnesota Fats used to be called New York Fats.
And he changed his name to Minnesota Fats after the movie.
That movie was all about me.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, no shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was a con man.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, that's hilarious.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He was a hustler, a real hustler.
Minnesota Fats was a very good pool player, but not nearly as good as Willie Moscone.
Willie Moscone was in The Hustler.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
joe rogan
He was one of the guys racking the balls when they had the first big match.
But Willie Moscone was like a real world champion pool player.
But...
Minnesota Fats was just a really good player.
greg fitzsimmons
I heard he was a good gambler.
I heard that Willie was a better tournament player and that Fats was a better money player.
joe rogan
Perhaps.
Moscone was just a better player.
Period.
All around.
He'd beat him in everything that they would ever play in.
There's not a chance in hell that...
Except there's a game called One Pocket.
And that was one of the games that Minnesota Fats was an expert at.
And One Pocket is a complicated game where like...
Do you know how to play it?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
Okay.
So if it's a six pocket table, you have the pocket on the left in the corner, I have the pocket on the right.
And you must make all your balls in that pocket.
There's 15 balls in a rack, right?
When you get to eight balls, you win.
That means you won the rack.
If I get to eight balls, I win.
And so you can make a spot too.
Like, say, if I'm a better player than you, I say, I'll spot you 10 to 5. You only need to make 5 balls and you win.
I need to make 10 balls in my hole and you win.
And so it's all about moving balls around.
So you want to keep the cue ball in a position where you can't possibly make a ball in that corner.
And you want to nudge balls slowly towards your corner.
It's all about not making any drastic moves and understanding how to play the game.
Super complicated gambler's game.
So a lot of times when people are playing for a lot of money, they like to play this game.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Games take forever.
A game might take three hours for one game.
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
So if you pot a ball in another pocket, does it stay down?
joe rogan
No.
If you pot a ball in a side pocket, it comes back up and it gets spotted.
If you pot a ball in the other guy's pocket accidentally, that's his ball.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
And then you lose your spot.
greg fitzsimmons
Dude, we should play that one day.
joe rogan
It's boring as shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, is it?
joe rogan
Yeah, you'll go mad.
You just take wild shots and then you fuck up and you scatter the rack and then the guy runs out.
Uh-huh.
I am too ADD for that.
I need to be moving the ball around.
I like to play position on the next shot and then that to the next shot.
But it's a very complicated game that really good players play.
Minnesota Fats, the real New York Fats is his real name.
Rudolph Wanderone was his name.
He was a really good player at that.
That's the gambling game.
To this day, when guys match up, One of the things that happens, like if there's big tournaments, certain guys will show up where these big tournaments are that are just one pocket players.
And they try to entice one of these pros into a game of one pocket.
And then they'll bet $50,000, $60,000, $100,000.
You hear about these things.
This is a place called the Derby City Classic.
It happens every year.
I think it's in Louisville still.
But these guys go down there and it's like a 10-day festival where road players just go down and meet each other.
They play in tournaments and they try to gamble each other.
greg fitzsimmons
Play like two-day games.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
They do fucking math and stay up for three days in a row, I bet.
That's what they used to do.
They used to all do amphetamines like back in the 70s.
They were all real skinny.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Real skinny and wired and couldn't miss a ball.
greg fitzsimmons
Uh-huh.
No, that's the thing about pool when you play for a long time, you know, in one match, is you just lose focus for a second.
And then all of a sudden, it's like golf is the same way.
You have to go from hyper-focused, totally present, to like relaxing, shooting the shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Listening to music, whatever.
joe rogan
And then hyper-focus again.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, it's a complicated game.
Unfortunately, it's not that popular anymore.
You know, it's just video games are too good.
It's too easy to entice people into video game land.
greg fitzsimmons
You mean instead of pool in general?
joe rogan
Yeah.
If there was nothing but pool, all these young kids would be into playing pool because it's so exciting.
greg fitzsimmons
My daughter's obsessed with pool.
joe rogan
Really?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, so I used to bring her.
When she was like...
19 and 20, she was into pool, but there's no fucking pool halls on the west side in LA. And so she had a fake ID. Isn't there House of Billiards in Santa Monica?
Closed.
joe rogan
When did it go under?
greg fitzsimmons
Like three years ago.
So I would bring her.
She had a fake ID, and we would go shoot bar pool, and we'd play as a team.
And I taught her everything, and we would go in, and it was so funny because we'd play against another couple.
It was two guys.
And we'd start shooting, and she got pretty good.
And you know me.
I'm okay.
And so we would win some games, and then she would say something like, oh, yeah, my father was saying it.
And then we'd go, oh, thank God, that's your father.
unidentified
We thought it was your boyfriend.
joe rogan
Some old creep who found some young, talented pool player to take under his wing.
greg fitzsimmons
But that's what she does.
She goes out at night with her friends, and she's like that pool junkie, the one that's all night long hanging around the table.
joe rogan
Where does she live now?
greg fitzsimmons
On the west side.
joe rogan
Okay.
Is there places that you can go to?
greg fitzsimmons
No pool halls.
unidentified
None?
greg fitzsimmons
Just bars with tables.
joe rogan
God damn.
greg fitzsimmons
I think there's one in Brentwood, but that's far.
joe rogan
But Hollywood Billiards was the place.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, that place was great.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There was an original Hollywood Billiards that I went.
The first time I went to LA was in 94, but that place got condemned after the earthquake.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh.
joe rogan
So then they moved it to that big place with the parking lot.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that place, I think, was hard to keep up.
greg fitzsimmons
I used to shoot with Adam Farrar over there sometimes.
He's a good player.
joe rogan
I used to shoot with him in House of Billiards.
And the one in Studio City?
Is that where it's at?
Maybe it's on Studio City.
Somewhere in the valley, there was a house of billiards.
God damn it.
I used to do the Monday Night Tournament there.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, really?
joe rogan
What is it?
greg fitzsimmons
Nine ball tournament?
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Sherman Oaks.
joe rogan
Sherman Oaks, that's right.
I used to go there with Dom too.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I used to shoot with Dom.
He's fun to play with.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's how Dom and I became friends.
Dom and I did Montreal together in like 93 and then I was at Amsterdam Billiards when it was on the west side and I showed up and I had my own queue and I was putting my queue together and Dom Herrera walked in.
And he goes, oh, hey, Joseph.
I go, you play pool?
He had his own cue, too.
I'm like, let's fucking play.
And we played for hours.
greg fitzsimmons
You know who owned that pool home?
David Brenner.
joe rogan
Yeah, stand-up comedian.
So listen, dude, let's wrap this up, because I've got to pee.
Your special, it's out...
greg fitzsimmons
It's called You Know Me.
It's on YouTube, and you can go to Fitzdog.com and link to it from that.
I got some tour dates coming up at Denver Comedy Works this weekend.
joe rogan
Fitzdog.com calendars up there.
greg fitzsimmons
Fitzdog.com calendars up there, Tacoma and Tulsa.
joe rogan
This coming weekend, you're at the Comedy Works, which is one of the best clubs that's ever existed.
greg fitzsimmons
So much fun.
joe rogan
Amazing place.
And great history to it, and Wendy's the best.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, Wendy Curtis, shout out.
joe rogan
Shout out to Wendy.
Alright, anything else?
Instagram?
greg fitzsimmons
Sunday Papers and Fitzdog Radio were the two podcasts, and Childish, and you can catch those on my YouTube page as well.
joe rogan
Alright, my brother.
unidentified
It was good to see you.
greg fitzsimmons
Alright, you too, man.
unidentified
Thanks.
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