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Joe Rogan Experience #2162 - Tim Dillon
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joe rogan
Dude, I get it, man.
tim dillon
You get it?
joe rogan
I get it.
I get the whole thing.
tim dillon
You see how powerful you feel?
joe rogan
Yeah, you feel like you can talk shit, like you're in another dimension.
tim dillon
All the things that you do, like working out and succeeding, you don't need to really do a lot of that.
If you put these on, you get a lot of the effects of being a trained fighter and all that crap.
If you just put these on, you kind of get the idea of that.
Until someone calls you out and kills you.
joe rogan
Yeah, you gotta avoid actual conflicts.
tim dillon
You gotta run away.
joe rogan
But you do feel superior to people.
tim dillon
Oh, for sure.
joe rogan
Like you have a suit on or something.
tim dillon
Yeah, it keeps you away.
There's a distance between you and other people now.
joe rogan
That must be why celebrities wear them when they go out.
Probably.
We'll see at concerts or UFC fights, you'll see celebrities with full-on sunglasses.
tim dillon
Interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They're like a cat hiding underneath a chair and the tail's hanging out.
It's like, you can't see me, but I can see you, stupid.
tim dillon
Yeah.
No, people, they do give you some...
And a lot of people, I guess, are on drugs.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's probably why.
tim dillon
And then their eyes are bugged out of their head.
joe rogan
I just think they're trying to avoid eye contact with people, because then people are trying to give them a script.
tim dillon
Yeah, I think that's true.
They just want to be left alone.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, if you want to be left alone in public, maybe that's the only way to do it.
tim dillon
And they're getting bigger and bigger.
joe rogan
These are so huge.
tim dillon
They're crazy.
joe rogan
This is like a rich lady who gets out of a car with a small dog.
tim dillon
They're crazy, and you wear them, and when I got them, I got them as a joke, but then you just keep doing it.
joe rogan
Because they're good.
tim dillon
Because they're good.
They're actually fun.
And people come up to you and say nice things about the sunglasses.
joe rogan
Which is weird.
tim dillon
Which is weird.
They'll go, these sunglasses are really cool.
And like cool people.
Like black people.
You know what I mean?
Like a black guy will go, those shades are cool.
And I'll go, that's great.
Like if a guy like me says it, it means nothing.
I would throw them out.
joe rogan
This is like a bad sunglasses from the 80s.
tim dillon
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like what Brian Bosworth used to wear.
Do you remember the Boz?
tim dillon
I don't.
joe rogan
He was the guy who was famous for his sunglasses.
He was a big-time football player.
tim dillon
Interesting.
joe rogan
He was one of those, you know, every now and then, one of those fellas, like, what's his name, the one that's dating Taylor Swift?
tim dillon
Travis Kelsey.
joe rogan
That guy.
Like, when one of those guys breaks through and becomes famous, that was the Boz.
tim dillon
Oh, wow!
joe rogan
See?
I mean, those are corny as shit in 2000. But here we are in 2024. They're back.
Invest in bell bottoms, kids.
tim dillon
They're absolutely back.
They're absolutely back.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, he had a mullet too.
tim dillon
Everything comes back.
Mullets are back.
joe rogan
Yeah, mullets are back.
Theo probably helped with that.
tim dillon
Yeah, big time.
joe rogan
And lesbians.
Lesbians, Theo.
tim dillon
There's not enough new ideas.
You've got to recycle certain ideas.
joe rogan
After a while you go, the Mohawk's not that bad.
tim dillon
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
What's the problem?
tim dillon
Everything was baggy, and then everything was tight, and now everything's getting baggy again.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The ladies are wearing baggy pants.
tim dillon
A lot of people are wearing baggy stuff, but then that'll probably swing.
joe rogan
Yeah, I thought the whole ideal of the tight pants is to show your body.
That's what it's for, right?
tim dillon
For sure.
Yeah.
joe rogan
What happened, ladies?
tim dillon
I don't know.
joe rogan
Why'd you go baggy?
tim dillon
Something happened.
joe rogan
I don't get it.
Go back to the tight stuff.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
That looks better.
tim dillon
Well, they feel no one can objectify them if they wear a bag.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yet they'll go to the gym in yoga pants.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
That are so thin, you could literally read braille through them.
unidentified
Right.
And you see your full vagina just hanging out.
joe rogan
And a lot of these gals are not wearing panties because they don't want the line.
I don't want them to be in line.
So they have just raw pussy covered by yoga pants out there in the wild.
tim dillon
We're kind of lucky as comedians to wear...
Pretty much.
Like, you dress up in a suit for UFC and for other stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
But most of us don't.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't mind a suit.
I like it.
I wear it if I have to go somewhere special.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Throw a suit on.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
You know, I don't mind it.
Sebastian's into it.
Boy, that guy.
tim dillon
They wear it.
I saw Seinfeld at Gotham.
He's in it.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
tim dillon
People wear them.
Mulaney wears one.
Yeah, they like to wear them.
joe rogan
It gives you a certain...
You feel like you're some sort of an expert.
tim dillon
For sure.
joe rogan
You're definitely better than the guy in the hoodie.
Yes, I agree.
tim dillon
But I'm the guy in the hoodie and I agree with that.
joe rogan
Yeah, I agree too.
tim dillon
Like when I see Seinfeld, I go, I agree that you are.
And it's not even fashion.
He's better in every way.
joe rogan
I wear hoodies three days a week.
tim dillon
It's fun to wear a hoodie and jeans.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's casual.
tim dillon
It's a great...
joe rogan
Loose.
I feel comfortable.
tim dillon
It's a great thing to just...
joe rogan
Soft.
tim dillon
And to be able to make money in a hoodie is great.
joe rogan
Yes.
tim dillon
That's the cool thing about it.
unidentified
Yes.
tim dillon
To have jeans on and go, I'm going to make money...
In a hoodie and jeans.
joe rogan
I think that's what John Fetterman was getting into when he went into the Congress.
tim dillon
That's what he was doing.
joe rogan
If I'm going to be rich now, I'm going to dress like what I would dress like, like Rick Rubin.
tim dillon
He's kind of an interesting guy now, because now he's starting to make sense, which is strange.
joe rogan
Yeah, what the fuck is going on?
Did the stroke knock some sense into him?
tim dillon
I don't know what happened, but he's actually coming out of the gate with some very rational things.
joe rogan
Yeah, good takes on everything.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, on everything.
tim dillon
And I'm like, if that's what Sweatpants does, let's do it.
joe rogan
I wonder if when he was running, he was recovering from the stroke.
And so that was why he would have those moments where his brain would sink off.
And we'd be like, this guy's fucked.
He can't be a senator.
Right.
But maybe what it really is, is it just takes a while for everything to come back.
And now it's all back.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And now he's making sense.
Because I haven't seen any of those videos since of him.
You know, there was a few videos where it was like, Me if I eat like a 500 milligram edible.
tim dillon
He was out of it for a period of time.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was gone.
He was in this place where it just didn't make sense what he was saying.
tim dillon
Yeah, but now he's back and it feels like, from my perspective, that the things he's saying are pretty logical.
joe rogan
What a crazy political move.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Recover from a stroke publicly.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
While in the middle of a campaign.
tim dillon
In a sweatsuit.
joe rogan
Against a guy who's famous.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
And still win.
tim dillon
And still win.
And then get progressively better and make more sense, because our guy that's the president is getting worse, and Fetterman's getting better.
joe rogan
I'm of the opinion, and I think you are too, that Biden doesn't exist.
tim dillon
It could be the first AI thing.
joe rogan
I think he's a living human being, don't get me wrong, but there's nothing there.
It doesn't exist.
It's not there.
I don't think there's a question about this.
Right.
So everything around him is what's supporting the country, which is kind of crazy.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
It kind of shows you that the system kind of works.
tim dillon
Sure.
joe rogan
You know, when you've got a guy like that, it's a great kind of stress test to see what happens when you get a guy that's just going...
And also, how much you can gaslight people into voting for them again.
Yes.
How much you can gaslight people into voting for the people around him again is what it really is.
The people you don't even know.
Like this mysterious cabal of humans that's actually running the country.
tim dillon
Well, it's such a weird thing because he came out of the State of the Union.
He was pretty good, but he was heavily drugged.
You might know more than I know about certain types of things that you can do.
You've had all these doctors on and stuff.
Is there a way to make that guy...
Like that for the debates?
Is he going to be able to?
Because no, he wasn't great.
joe rogan
What I would recommend is I would time it correctly, right?
So I'd recommend that he got lots of sleep.
I would cut all the ice cream out of his diet for several days, all the bullshit out of his diet.
Then I would give him NAD infusions and IV vitamin infusions multiple days in a row, like three or four days in a row.
Then the day of, I would make sure that he eats really well, gets a lot of sleep, and then I would fill him up.
I'd fill him up with Adderall.
I'd give him testosterone.
I would give him human growth hormone.
I'd give him nootropics.
I'd give him Everything that we know that creatine, creatine helps with, it actually does.
tim dillon
No, I'm sure.
joe rogan
Creatine is a cognitive enhancer.
tim dillon
I'm thinking of him getting all these injections in that skin.
Just that purple skin from all the marks.
joe rogan
Oh God.
tim dillon
That skin that's just wound so thin.
It's spun so thin on his body.
All of the bruising from all of these needles of stuff that they need to shoot him up with to just be coherent for an hour.
joe rogan
Isn't it crazy, like, when Obama was president, the worst they could get on him was, remember when he wore that tan suit?
tim dillon
Right, right.
Yeah.
joe rogan
He never had a single moment publicly where he stumbled, where he said something really stupid.
unidentified
No, this is like...
joe rogan
This is insane.
tim dillon
It's insane.
It's much worse than even, you know, remember George W. Bush?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim dillon
And he would, like, you know, say silly things.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
This is, like, so...
Far down the road from that?
joe rogan
It's so far down the road.
It's so far down the road that it's like, I think it's elder abuse.
I really do.
I mean, if it was any other job, it would be elder abuse.
If there was a guy who was running the corner grocery store and his family was making him run it and he was that old and they had money, you'd be like, what the fuck are you doing to your dad?
Why are you making your dad work?
Your dad's out of it.
tim dillon
Yeah, why would you do...
Yeah, there was a guy in New York, this legendary guy, Dom, who ran this pizzeria called DeFares, which is widely thought of as the best pizza in New York, and he was so old, and at the very end, he was just over the pie with the oil and cutting basil, and it was like, you felt bad, because the pie was amazing, but you're watching a guy at the end of his life, Making pizza.
Making pizza.
Very old.
And he would struggle.
He'd put it in the thing.
It was hard.
It was like you kind of gasped.
And that's what we have now, except it's with Russia.
joe rogan
However, if I went to a pizza place and there's a guy who loves making pizza so much that here he's fucking dying.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It's his last days.
He's still, I'm going to make you a nice pie.
tim dillon
Yes.
I'm going to make you a nice pie.
And he fought.
joe rogan
He must love the fact that his pizza is awesome.
Yes.
tim dillon
He loved it.
joe rogan
If you make good food, it's probably a lot like killing.
Yeah, for sure.
Like you kill on stage, everybody loved it.
Great, we had a great time.
Thank you.
I'm so happy you guys had fun.
tim dillon
You gotta wonder what the reward is for Biden.
Like, is it even fun?
It can't be fun.
unidentified
It can't be fun.
tim dillon
Why does he even want to do this?
joe rogan
That guy making that pizza, when someone folds a slice of that pie and goes, oh my god.
tim dillon
They're into it.
joe rogan
It's like they're killing.
tim dillon
And that guy goes, I've made all of these people happy.
joe rogan
Yes.
tim dillon
But this guy, I mean, this just came out in the Wall Street Journal where they're saying that he's like showing signs like behind closed doors.
unidentified
Wait!
joe rogan
What are you saying?
tim dillon
I know.
unidentified
It's shocking.
joe rogan
This is crazy.
tim dillon
It's shocking.
joe rogan
It's what?
When President Biden met with congressional leaders in the West Wing in January to negotiate Ukraine funding deal, he spoke so softly at times that some participants struggled to hear him.
According to five people familiar with the meeting, he read from notes to make obvious points, paused for extended periods, and sometimes closed his eyes for so long that some in the room wondered whether he had tuned out.
tim dillon
Or died!
joe rogan
But they can't change him out now, right?
You and I both thought it was going to happen in May.
tim dillon
We were convinced.
I remember texting you.
I was convinced.
I actually heard from people that were kind of around the Trump campaign that thought they were also preparing to run against somebody who wasn't Biden.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
And they had believed that.
They were like, it's going to be Newsome or somebody.
And it hasn't been.
So why, not to sound like a nut, but why are they so committed to this guy?
There's something weird about it.
There's something strange about it.
joe rogan
Do you think that's it?
I think he's the sitting president and they gaslit everybody into thinking he was fine, so now they would have to change course radically to justify getting him out of office.
They just published an article, I think it was in the Times, that was talking about Biden saying that his age is his superpower.
Did you see that?
tim dillon
Yes.
joe rogan
And then Seth, what's his name, the guy from the fucking Family Guy?
tim dillon
Seth MacFarlane.
joe rogan
That guy retweeted it and was like, this is an amazing, I couldn't have written this better thing.
What?
unidentified
Right.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
What?
tim dillon
His age is his superpower.
joe rogan
So you'd have to turn that back.
So you'd have to get all these people.
Do you remember when there was a whole list of...
A bunch of celebrities, they used to make videos where they would tell you what to do.
You know, what we need to do, what we need to do.
The end of democracy.
Remember the bunch of them did that before the 2016 election?
tim dillon
Right, yeah.
joe rogan
Those people, of all, you'd have to do something like that with Biden.
tim dillon
Well, what's interesting about Biden is they put him in, kind of, because they kind of stacked the Democratic primary.
They killed the momentum of Sanders.
And there was a lot of people.
Biden was like very behind and then sprung out at the end.
joe rogan
They manipulated it.
Just like they did with Hillary.
Just like Donna Brazile wrote about in her book.
tim dillon
They manipulated it to get him in.
And it's just weird to me that when everyone sees it so clearly and Trump is up at every poll, why they wouldn't just have him go out, give a very patriotic speech about, you know what?
I thought I could do it.
But now I can't.
I thought I was okay.
joe rogan
Because there's no one other than her.
So if you try to promote...
tim dillon
Put her in again!
joe rogan
If you try to promote her as president against Trump...
Democrats are going to vote for Trump.
tim dillon
She should lose one more time.
joe rogan
But she's going to lose in a way that's going to be crazy.
tim dillon
No, they have nobody else.
That's the other thing.
joe rogan
But the thing is, he should lose in a way that's crazy if you're looking at, like, competence, because he's so old.
But people will vote for him just because the machine behind him has kept the country...
It's still relatively okay.
You're still going out to dinner.
You're still taking plane flights.
tim dillon
For the time being.
For sure.
joe rogan
No aliens have landed.
tim dillon
Not yet.
joe rogan
You know, Ukraine hasn't spilled over New America.
It's all okay.
tim dillon
Not yet.
joe rogan
Kind of.
tim dillon
Kind of.
joe rogan
Right?
So you would probably, especially if you're one of those celebrities that made that video about Trump, you can't turn course now.
tim dillon
No.
joe rogan
Those people, that's out there forever.
tim dillon
You know?
joe rogan
Remember those?
There's no heaven?
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Remember that one?
tim dillon
I think older people, some of them like it because they go, yeah, well, good for him.
There's a lot of older people that don't want to step down.
joe rogan
Like when white guys want a white heavyweight boxing champion.
tim dillon
That's exactly right.
And there's a lot of old people that go, I'm not going to retire.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
I'm not going to step down.
I don't want to go into assisted living.
unidentified
Right.
Remember Frankie?
joe rogan
He made that pie till the day he died.
tim dillon
Yeah.
Till the day he died.
joe rogan
He was 102 years old.
He put the basil on, dropped dead.
tim dillon
Yeah.
I think they want, they look at this guy and they say, good for him.
He's one of us.
joe rogan
There's a little bit of that going on.
tim dillon
He's one of us.
joe rogan
I definitely think there's a little bit of that going on.
I don't think that's true.
tim dillon
Trump will beat him, I think, from jail.
joe rogan
Yeah, 100%.
tim dillon
Trump will win.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I don't know if it's real.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I mean, look, I don't want to cry election fraud, but why would I imagine that they would manipulate everything openly except the election?
You know what I'm saying?
tim dillon
But this is what I'm saying to you.
Is it not possible that they haven't gone off Joe Biden because there was some fuckery?
In the last election.
Is it not possible to some degree that they have this rabid insistence on this clearly dementia-ridden guy because their promises have been made and there are people in positions of power that could speak?
I don't know anything.
I'm just...
joe rogan
That's a possibility.
I mean, it's just a guess, right?
Who knows?
tim dillon
I'm just asking the kinds of questions that people on Twitter will...
Call me a name for asking.
joe rogan
But you gotta stop reading that.
tim dillon
Yeah, true.
I don't read it.
joe rogan
Boy, that's a nice...
Once you break yourself free...
unidentified
No, I know.
tim dillon
I'm not on it as much.
joe rogan
You feel so much better.
Lex goes into a dark hole every few days.
tim dillon
Well, it's, you know...
joe rogan
I hope he doesn't read the stuff about the Kevin Spacey interview.
tim dillon
Life is dark.
Oh, he's interviewing Spacey?
joe rogan
He already did, yeah.
tim dillon
Goddammit, we wanted Spacey.
unidentified
You can get Spacey.
tim dillon
I wanted Spacey.
joe rogan
You can get Spacey.
tim dillon
I know, but then I'm the fifth person to have Spacey.
joe rogan
Listen, you'll be the most fun.
tim dillon
I know Weinstein's coming here first.
I know you're going to have him as soon as he gets out of jail.
joe rogan
He's never getting out of jail.
tim dillon
I hope he does.
joe rogan
I don't think he's ever getting out of jail.
tim dillon
By the way, he should.
joe rogan
Isn't he in jail for the rest of his life?
tim dillon
No, it's turning around, Joe.
joe rogan
What do you mean?
tim dillon
It's turning around.
joe rogan
What are you talking about?
unidentified
Oh, you don't know.
tim dillon
Oh, you don't know?
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
What's going on?
tim dillon
They just overturned all of his convictions.
unidentified
What?
tim dillon
Well, get some of what I'm- What?
Are you fucking kidding me?
The prosecutors in the Harvey Weinstein case were encouraging the, whatever you want to call them, right?
joe rogan
Victims.
tim dillon
The victims.
And yes, they are victims.
But she was encouraging them to just, when I was a juror on a murder trial, and you're instructed as a juror, this was years ago, but you're instructed to only consider the facts of the case.
You can only discuss the facts of the case.
These victims were out there and they were permitted and encouraged by a very overzealous prosecutor to share things that weren't related to the case.
And the fact that the jury could have based their, here, here it is.
joe rogan
Wednesday's hearing ahead of Weinstein's retrial comes just over a month after New York Court of Appeals, by a 4-3 vote, ruled the testimony of prior bad acts.
Witnesses should not have been allowed because it was Unnecessary to establish defendants intent and served only to establish defendants propensity to commit the crimes charged He was convicted in the 2020 of first-degree criminal sexual assault and third-degree rape And then he was sentenced to 23 years in prison.
He has maintained his innocence.
So what are they saying now?
They're gonna do a retrial How old is he now?
Because he looked fucking terrible before he was going into jail.
He was walking around with a cane and a walker.
tim dillon
He's in his early 70s, but this is when directors do their best work.
No, truly.
joe rogan
But he's not a director.
tim dillon
Right.
Producers, whatever.
I have confidence in him is what I'm saying.
joe rogan
Do you think he's going to get out and kick some ass?
tim dillon
Well, I think he gets out.
He's got a lot to prove.
joe rogan
Do you think they'll let him work?
They're not even letting Stacey work.
tim dillon
Hollywood believes in nothing.
They will absolutely let him work.
They will let him work.
And he should work if they...
Listen, if the retrial happens and they let him and it doesn't work, it is what it is, you know?
Wow.
joe rogan
Imagine if he gets out.
Imagine if it was all bullshit.
tim dillon
Well, I don't know how...
It's like...
joe rogan
It couldn't be.
tim dillon
That time that we lived through was so...
It was this moral panic.
joe rogan
Oh, right.
You mean the time with me, too?
tim dillon
Exactly.
Everything that happened there...
jamie vernon
What originally happened, it says here, he had a separate 16-year sentence that is not affected by this decision in California.
joe rogan
Oh, so there's another case which he was also sentenced to.
jamie vernon
So the New York trial has been...
joe rogan
So he'll be transferred to a California prison?
Oh, he's fucked.
No matter why he's fucked.
jamie vernon
Unless they do that one too.
joe rogan
So those guys, that was what they did.
But the crazy thing about him is he looked like that guy that would do that.
tim dillon
He looked exactly like the guy that behaved the way that he behaved.
joe rogan
Yes.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Like Dave Chappelle had a bit about it.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, he raped.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
No, for sure.
Like you look at a guy.
The other thing about him...
It's so crazy, is how many photographs of famous people were with him, and how many people thanked him when they won the award.
Of course!
And how it was this open secret, but it's just like they accepted this deal with the devil.
Like, the devil's gonna make you a star if you suck his dick, and apparently that's what he would do.
Whitney told me that there was girls that he knew, girls that she knew, rather, that did the deal.
And it was a deal.
Like, you suck his dick, he's gonna get you in this movie.
And they sucked his dick and they got in the movie.
Like, he would hold up his end of the bargain, which is one of the reasons why he was so powerful.
Because you really could.
He wasn't just banging everybody.
He really was.
tim dillon
Well, let's say this, though.
joe rogan
Making people famous.
tim dillon
We think that's negative.
But let's say him upholding his end of the deal is something.
unidentified
It's a little something.
tim dillon
Like, if he puts you in the movie...
I think a lot of these...
By the way, all of the famous people he did it to didn't really come out against him.
joe rogan
No, because they can't.
Because then if they tell the truth...
tim dillon
Yeah.
They were kind of...
Because that was kind of a deal that was made.
Not good, but that was a deal.
And he made good on some of those promises.
joe rogan
He made good on a lot of them, apparently.
This is just from what I heard.
But Tarantino was telling us about this old-school Hollywood producer who had a bedroom in his office.
jamie vernon
Sure.
joe rogan
So you would go into his office, and this is in the 60s or whatever.
So he had his office, and then he had a whole bedroom in his studio where he would bang all the starlets.
If you wanted to be a star, you had to bang that guy.
Which is just the deal with the devil that has always been that business.
tim dillon
That's always been there.
That's always been there.
It's like why people start cults.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
They always end up being sex cults, right?
joe rogan
100% of the time.
tim dillon
All of these guys on Netflix, it ends up being creepy and sexual.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
All of them.
tim dillon
That's part of it.
And I think if you have that kind of power and people, and you've got a steady stream of people walking in your door.
joe rogan
Yeah, and you're also doing this very specific thing where you're choosing the most beautiful people to be in these incredible, incredible films.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
I mean, think about the movies that fucking guy made.
Kill Bill.
tim dillon
Some of the best in the world.
joe rogan
Pulp Fiction.
You just go down the line.
tim dillon
Let him out.
joe rogan
So many times I've seen a movie.
Oh, Miramax, of course.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
They made insane movies.
tim dillon
They were like, the Weinstein Company, they were the best.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
Some of the best.
joe rogan
And they just did it with the devil.
tim dillon
They did it with the devil.
Yeah, they did it with the devil.
You know, you watch an old Woody Allen movie, you go, I don't know if he's guilty.
I don't know what happened.
I go, I don't want to believe he's guilty, but can I still enjoy the movie or not?
And then some of them...
It is a little different.
You watch it and you go, it is.
I hope he's not guilty, but there's a good chance he's guilty.
And there's a documentary that's...
joe rogan
All of it's not good.
tim dillon
All of it's not good.
joe rogan
I mean, even if it's like your neighbor's daughter and you've known her since she was two.
And then you wind up marrying her.
That's kind of crazy.
tim dillon
It's not great.
joe rogan
If you were an adult with children and your neighbor had a...
But then again, part of your brain goes, okay, but what if you really were in love?
What if she really was the next door neighbor and really you were 60 and she was 30 and she loved you?
tim dillon
Right.
Or if your wife had adopted her from Cambodia.
joe rogan
That makes it more complicated.
tim dillon
And you raised her, but loved her still.
joe rogan
That's the next level.
That is not ideal.
That, you can't.
tim dillon
Yeah, we'll say that.
It's not ideal.
joe rogan
You can look at the neighbor and say, well, maybe you weren't close with the neighbor's daughter.
Now she's a grown woman.
She has agency.
tim dillon
She's a woman.
joe rogan
She loves you.
But you know what's But you can't say that about a kid that you fucking raised.
tim dillon
You can't marry a kid you raised.
joe rogan
No!
tim dillon
You can't marry a kid you raised.
joe rogan
But did he raise her?
Did he see her like every couple days?
tim dillon
I don't know.
However we can still watch Annie Hall.
I can't!
Is there any way to still watch Annie Hall?
No.
I don't know.
Probably not.
It's hard.
joe rogan
You can, but you're gonna know the whole time.
It's like watching House of Cards.
tim dillon
Yeah, but I can watch House of Cards because he's playing the guy he was.
Right.
That's perfect.
joe rogan
I like that.
tim dillon
Kevin Spacey doesn't even exist.
He's barely a person.
He's such a good actor.
He's become the thing.
He always plays people kind of like that.
Kaiser Soze.
You know Frank Underwood, he's become the thing and he's so good at it that it doesn't ruin it for me.
I can watch House of Cards.
joe rogan
There is an arrogance that some stars had like particularly in the 90s when I first came to Hollywood and this is like really evident for me because I was not a star but I was on a television show so I got to be around a lot of stars and there was a way that some of them would treat you They would let you know that you are subhuman.
You are below them.
They would communicate with you in the most disrespectful and dismissive ways.
Like weird.
Fucking weird.
Like mousy guys that I could kill.
Like instantly.
And they would just be rude to you in a really weird way because they had power.
And then when an executive would come over, they would turn on the charm.
They'd be smiling and laughing and then you would talk to them at the craft service and they would fucking dismiss you in the shittiest ways.
I encountered a bunch of that.
It was commonplace.
And it was, I think, a thing that they aspired to.
Especially a lot of the guys that came from Saturday Night Live.
Like, when Phil came over from Saturday Night Live, Phil Hartman, when he was on news radio, that was the first thing he did after Saturday Night Live, and he had, like, his defenses up.
Like, I remember, he was, like, a little, like, standoffish in the beginning, kind of shitty to us.
Like, he was the big star, and he was.
And, you know, Dave Foley was a pretty big star, too.
And the rest of us were kind of—no one really knew who we were.
And after a while, he'd relax, and he would tell me about it.
And he was like, you know, it's great here.
We all have fun.
But God, on Saturday Night Live, everybody was stabbing everybody in the back.
And it was all, oh, everybody was, people were getting people fired that were like his assistants just because they wanted to fuck him over.
They would steal people's things.
And it was just like really shitty.
And it took a while for him to chill out.
And then I got to meet some of those people that he was talking about and interact with them.
And they did the same thing to me.
There was some shitty fucking people out of that.
This star culture.
And they would be the ones that were the royalty and everyone else was a peasant.
It was really fucking creepy.
tim dillon
Interesting.
joe rogan
So I think if you're like an old school dick grabber and you're also a Hollywood icon, you probably are doing that.
You're probably doing that Hollywood thing where everybody else is just there for you.
Everybody else is just...
tim dillon
Should we maybe wall off...
Hollywood and just go, listen.
joe rogan
Let them go wild.
tim dillon
They're just all sexual predators.
Jurassic Park.
It's Jurassic Park.
Can't we do that?
Can't we say, enter at your own risk.
They make great movies, but occasionally they're going to goose you.
They may throw you against a wall.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
I mean, if you train for the Navy SEALs, some people drown.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
Can't we just do that because the other way is it working where everyone's nice and good.
Everyone can't be nice and good and have really good art.
I don't think.
I'm not saying everyone has to be killing everyone.
joe rogan
No.
I mean, Ron Howard seems to be really nice and good.
tim dillon
But I watched the Spacey documentary, by the way, and some of it is like, okay, he clearly did the wrong thing.
And then some of it, these guys are like, because they wanted things from him, they're like, we went to the movies, and he started jerking off next to me.
It's like, okay, dude, well, then you know this is not a guy to hang with.
And then the next thing they say is, and then he invited me to a party at his hotel, and he said Bruce Willis would be there.
So I went.
We can't feel bad for you because you're trying to climb on the basis of knowing this guy.
joe rogan
You are playing the game.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
You're playing the game.
tim dillon
You're playing the game.
joe rogan
You're dancing with the devil.
tim dillon
You're dancing with the devil.
joe rogan
You're going to lunch with Harvey.
tim dillon
You're going to lunch with Harvey.
You want it.
You know, so to me, it's like they're not sympathetic in the way that, like, you know, other people are, whether it's sexual assault in the military or in the workplace or whatever, where people are not actively trying to better their chances of being famous by knowing this culture.
Guy.
joe rogan
Right.
It's a complicated thing with Spacey, right?
Because apparently some of the alleged people are like people that he worked like, you know, like a grip on a set or a guy who has to drive him.
Yeah.
He was just wild.
Apparently.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
This is allegedly.
tim dillon
Right.
And then some of those people died before they could testify.
unidentified
Do you think you can play a guy like Frank Underwood if there's not a little bit of that inside of you somewhere?
No.
tim dillon
Probably not.
Probably not.
You know he had a really rough life.
joe rogan
Did he?
tim dillon
And you know his father was a Nazi pedophile.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
tim dillon
This is true.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
tim dillon
And his father was all of Twitter.
But no, he was a Nazi pedophile.
He would rape them and make them watch the Nazi stuff.
I know I sound like I'm lying a lot, and I am a lot, but this is true.
You can look this up.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
tim dillon
His brother is a Rod Stewart impersonator.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
tim dillon
It wasn't great the way that it went for anybody over there.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
According to Kevin Spacey, he was raised by a relentlessly abusive neo-Nazi father.
Wow.
Spends dinners making anti-semitic comments, which terrified his children.
Wow.
tim dillon
Yes, and worse than beating and raping them, he was anti-semitic.
unidentified
Wow.
tim dillon
So he was really bad.
joe rogan
Does that say that in here?
The raping part?
tim dillon
I believe, from what I know...
joe rogan
That's his brother?
The Rod Stewart impression?
tim dillon
That he was a very abusive...
joe rogan
Damn, the brother was fucking...
Got it nailed.
tim dillon
The brother is really dialed.
joe rogan
Boy, if I saw that dude...
tim dillon
Yeah, no.
joe rogan
He's dialed.
Yeah, if I was like somewhere, I'd be like, holy shit, Rod Stewart?
tim dillon
Look at this.
He alleges his father frequently raped and beat him.
I mean, I'm not making it up.
joe rogan
It's terrible.
Frequently raped and beat him.
Oh, why didn't they put that in the title?
Like, just the anti-Semitic comments, that seems like the least of the problems.
tim dillon
For the way they grew up, let's be charitable, they turned out good.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
They turned out well.
joe rogan
The guy won multiple Academy Awards.
tim dillon
He's a very talented man, and his brother, I'm sure, does a great Maggie Mae.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
For the way they were raised.
Everybody has to be judged a little bit with a backstory.
joe rogan
I love that Lex Friedman has the courage to interview anybody.
tim dillon
Well, Lex is one of those guys who genuinely is like, you know, he knows what his intentions are.
joe rogan
Yes.
tim dillon
And he's very comfortable with himself.
And that's why he can talk to all these people.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Because he's always coming from a good place.
joe rogan
Even Kanye, in the heat of everything, Lex had him on.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bill Maher did a whole episode and said I'm not releasing it.
tim dillon
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
I can't wait.
Kanye, Spacey.
Can we do an election?
Because there's going to be an election.
I'm angling to get back in here with Kanye and Spacey and Weinstein from jail.
joe rogan
I would get you in here with Kanye, but it would probably turn bad because you talk too much.
tim dillon
I know.
joe rogan
With Kanye, you've got to let him talk.
tim dillon
I know.
joe rogan
Because there was moments where I was talking.
I let him talk.
There was moments where I was talking and Kanye was like...
He has so much to say.
I mean, listen, that madness inside of him is why his fucking songs are bangers.
They're just banger after banger.
His fucking new album's amazing.
It's amazing, dude.
We play in the green room all the time.
In all my Spotify playlists, I think there's more Kanye songs than anything.
tim dillon
He's a genius.
And what you have to realize with people that are incredibly gifted is a lot of that comes with some real downsides.
unidentified
Yeah!
tim dillon
And they can't be judged maybe the same way you judge every other person.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, they gotta follow the laws.
You can't be out there murdering people.
tim dillon
They can't do that.
They gotta follow the laws.
But if he goes and says something crazy, it's also like you gotta look at what you've gotten from him and all of this great music.
Let him have a tirade every now and then.
joe rogan
Let's let him have a little...
Well, it's like he's his own enemy.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's just like he can't...
The rants just go.
tim dillon
I know.
joe rogan
They just come flying out and who knows how much of it he's really been committed to until he says it.
And then once he's saying it, then he's really committed.
You know, and then, you know, he puts...
He shows up statistics.
Like, he held up this thing about...
He was showing on his phone all of the different people that are running all the different music companies and how many of them are Jewish.
Right.
You know, he's like, they run the media, they run this, they run that.
Like, okay.
unidentified
Right.
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, what are you going to say about that?
If they are facts, if these people are all Jewish.
But that doesn't necessarily mean that they're doing something evil.
Just, you know, if you buy pizza, a lot of the people selling it are Italian.
tim dillon
I will say that the Jews seem to have made better choices than the Irish, my people.
joe rogan
Well, they're really good at running show business.
tim dillon
Yeah, I can't point to any list of people and go, and they're all, there's not one group, and go, and look, and McDonough, and O'Brien.
joe rogan
Right, right, like Italians, like my people, other than food.
tim dillon
Someone said, a teacher I had in community college, you take it with a grain of salt, but said that Italians were We're very focused on the family, and they were skeptical of institutions, so they started small businesses, whereas Jewish people were more open to institutions, and that's why a lot of them are overrepresented in academia, politics, and media.
joe rogan
Well, Italians are fleeing communism, too.
tim dillon
Right.
So Italians are skeptical of the government.
They were skeptical.
And they wanted to have their little pork stores and stuff.
And that's good.
joe rogan
And it's also Catholic, very family-oriented.
jamie vernon
Catholic, all that.
joe rogan
You know, if you date an Italian girl, you've got to meet everybody.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
You can't be just showing up at her house like some regular white guy.
tim dillon
And the Irish were drunks and sexually abused.
joe rogan
A little bit.
tim dillon
And they did the best they could.
Everyone's doing the best they can.
joe rogan
Well, we're all coming out of chaos.
The reality of human beings in this country is this fucking country is three peoples old.
That's it.
Three people.
tim dillon
That's crazy to think about.
joe rogan
Three people.
That's the reality of this country.
China is 400 people old.
Right.
That's real.
That's the difference.
We don't have our shit together yet.
And we started off with a really good idea that didn't anticipate technology.
And then technology got involved in terms of stock trading, And then influences of campaigns.
Nobody anticipated the lobbyists, special interest groups.
Nobody anticipated the military-industrial complex until Eisenhower talked about it on TV. Just all these things got in the way of the original idea.
They had a great fucking idea of how to make sure that no one ever becomes a dictator and that the will of the people gets served.
They had a great idea.
tim dillon
And now they have an idea where everyone can kind of be a dictator.
So that's not the worst idea.
You can be a little dictator.
joe rogan
Well, what they really didn't anticipate is the power that technology companies have.
tim dillon
Yeah.
They own your thoughts, dreams, hopes, fears.
They have burrowed into your life more than any of the robber barons could, more than any of those guys.
Morgan or Rockefeller, Carnegie.
joe rogan
They've gotten insanely wealthy just from your data.
tim dillon
Absolutely.
joe rogan
And then convincing you you have to buy a new phone every year.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
And they're helping you.
And that's the scary part, right?
They're utopians, and they believe they're creating a truly better world.
joe rogan
And they're helping you.
It makes your life better.
tim dillon
And they're making your life better, and you do, and these are things that make your life more convenient and easier.
joe rogan
How great is Google Maps or Waze?
tim dillon
So when they tell you it's more convenient to just not have this discussion or not be able to say a certain term or not be able to, then you just comply.
You comply and you go, okay.
joe rogan
I don't want to start any trouble.
tim dillon
I don't want to start an issue.
I like Postmates or whatever it is.
joe rogan
I like Airbnb.
tim dillon
Well, sure.
Well, it's failing now.
It's over now.
It's all over now.
joe rogan
I met one of the guys.
tim dillon
Well, someone, I don't know if it was you, but someone said, and this is really nice, someone tried to get me back, and they were like, no.
Someone met a big guy, and it might have been you.
joe rogan
I think it was me.
tim dillon
Yeah, somebody was like, what about getting a guy like Tim Dillon back on, and they were like, no.
joe rogan
They're fucking up.
They're making a big mistake.
tim dillon
Well, that issue that I had was all about the redundancy of cleaning fees.
Why would I pay a fee and then clean?
This has now become a rallying call for millions of brave Americans to hold Airbnb accountable for what they've been doing.
Forget the trafficking, people showing up to the house in the middle of the night trying to rip you out of it.
This is true.
Single women go on bachelorette parties all the time.
Guys knock on the door at 3am.
It's not safe.
A lot of the people who host, like have Airbnbs, have weird cameras set up.
It's a little voyeuristic.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's been a bunch of that.
tim dillon
It is strange.
joe rogan
Also, someone had an interesting scam where they were renting a house and they were using that house as an Airbnb house.
Of course.
And they got in trouble.
They're probably making money off of the rental.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
You think about how much a house costs to rent, if it's like $2,000 a month, and you could Airbnb it for $500 a night.
Yes.
What's Airbnb cost?
tim dillon
For a house.
Back in the day.
It's about $400, something like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, so you'd probably make a lot of money.
tim dillon
Yeah, there's a lot of that.
joe rogan
You'd pay your mortgage easy, and then you could do that with multiple houses, and you've got income constantly coming in.
tim dillon
And I think they interviewed the CEO recently.
They interviewed him, and he was basically like, listen, we're trying to design your trips.
Like, they're trying to figure out ways.
To get competitive again.
Because they're like, we know people are going back to hotels.
We know it's gotten too expensive.
joe rogan
Is that what it is?
tim dillon
Yeah, it's gotten too expensive.
People are like, we don't understand why we'd pay all of this money To have all of these rules, when we could just go to a hotel, it's easy.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
And we don't have to worry about anger.
You get a report card.
Airbnb's a report card.
Nobody wants that on a trip.
joe rogan
You get a report card for how good you did or bad you did?
tim dillon
Yeah, people writing reviews about you.
Is that fun?
You go on a vacation, somebody's going to write a review, some psychopath.
joe rogan
Oh, so you could take a giant shit and forget to flush it, and then...
tim dillon
It's over.
Then they trash you.
joe rogan
Just a simple mistake.
tim dillon
A simple mistake.
And stay out of people's homes.
This is the real reality.
Stay out of people.
If you're over 30, you can no longer stay with people.
Put it this way.
Let's give them till 35 or 40. You have to get a hotel.
You can't get a hotel.
You cannot stay with a friend.
And you don't need to get an Airbnb with seven people.
joe rogan
Yeah, I always get weirded out when people like to just stay with different friends in every town.
I'm like, do you like being annoying?
tim dillon
Yeah, that's done now.
You can't stay with anyone anymore.
You go to a hotel.
That's nice.
joe rogan
Like an adult.
tim dillon
It's like an adult.
You go, this was nice.
Goodbye.
You need to say the word goodbye.
And then you got to go to a hotel.
Otherwise, people are like, they feel uncomfortable in their own home.
They do not want you there.
joe rogan
It's kind of crazy that Airbnb, that's another thing that popped up out of nowhere that nobody saw coming.
That was a disruptor.
That and Uber, right?
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Uber was a big one.
No one would have thought that everybody would become a cab driver for extra money.
tim dillon
Well, it coincided with this rise of the gig economy where people are like, I can work.
I own a car.
I can work.
And I can make money through this app.
joe rogan
But you cannot have a boss.
A boss.
Exactly.
One of the things I loved about delivering newspapers when I was a kid...
I did it when I was in my teens and 20s.
You could just go to the place, pick up the paper.
You did your work, but you could listen to the radio.
No one's in your ear.
No one's talking to you.
You're by yourself.
As long as you get your job done, you're good.
And if you're an Uber guy...
I don't have to go to a fucking office somewhere.
I just pick this dude up and take him to the airport.
Oh yeah, it's perfect.
Thank you.
Thanks for the tip.
unidentified
Bye.
Easy.
joe rogan
Drive away.
Be a nice guy.
Try to keep your car clean.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
You can make money.
And you don't have to listen to anybody.
tim dillon
And they're having fun.
Some of those guys are having fun all day.
Listening to hateful podcasts.
unidentified
Me!
tim dillon
Listen to this.
Listening to smoking cigs in their car.
joe rogan
People listening to this right now.
tim dillon
Yeah.
People listening to it right now going, I'm enjoying my life.
I'm having fun.
joe rogan
Somewhere there's someone in the backseat going, fucking Tim Dillon, shut up.
unidentified
Yeah, shut up.
tim dillon
I hate his stupid voice.
joe rogan
What he did to Meghan McCain was so rude.
unidentified
What he did to all of these people, all of these innocent people.
tim dillon
So rude.
joe rogan
So fucking rude.
tim dillon
Innocent, good, billionaire.
joe rogan
Speaking of innocent, did you see Fauci?
Did you see the...
tim dillon
When he came out?
joe rogan
Did you see the...
tim dillon
The leaked tapes?
joe rogan
Oh, not just the leaked tapes, but him getting grilled?
tim dillon
Oh, I didn't see it.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
tim dillon
Was it bad?
Was it brutal?
joe rogan
It's horrible.
Yeah, I think Jim Jordan got him lying under oath.
No matter what they catch him with, he tries to find a way to weasel out of saying that he said that, including mandating masks, shutting down schools, locking everything down, closing businesses, forcing people to get the vaccine.
All of it is on tape.
tim dillon
He said all of it.
It seems to be, again, it's the gaslighting thing where people go, We can just now come out and say that we never actually said any of that.
joe rogan
It's crazy him saying that, though.
Not just saying that, but even when they catch him saying that, that's not what I was referring to.
That's exactly what you were referring to.
There's no ambiguity at all about any of the things you're saying.
And then also the gain-of-function research.
They deleted a bunch of emails.
There's all these emails from his assistant talking about...
How to go in separate channels to talk about this stuff and how to skirt around the Freedom of Information Act.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
And then fucking Peter Hotez talking about deleting emails.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
They all knew what the fuck they were doing, man.
tim dillon
No.
joe rogan
They were all very aware that they were going to be investigated eventually.
tim dillon
There should be a commission on this whole thing, but just like the 9-11 Commission would probably be set up to fail, and that's what the commissioner said.
That's not what I'm saying.
joe rogan
Even if Trump gets into office, how could it be?
Because he was the guy.
He put warp speed in place.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
Fauci was behind him at press conferences.
tim dillon
I think that's his biggest vulnerability, ironically, Trump, is that A lot of people don't trust him because of that period.
Well, he has a vaccine.
joe rogan
He hasn't corrected course.
Right.
Because it's very difficult for him to ever say that he's wrong, right?
tim dillon
He doesn't like saying he's wrong.
joe rogan
So for him to correct course, for him to look at the studies that are coming out of the UK and Europe about excess deaths and where they're a little bit more honest about what the fuck is going on because they have socialized medicine.
Right.
Like there's a lot more going on over there than is going on over here.
tim dillon
There's so much about protecting pharma here.
joe rogan
Yeah, so much money.
I mean, so much money invested in advertising.
I mean, everything gets advertised by it, whether it's internet shows, there's fucking so many television shows.
I mean, that montage, I'm sure you've seen it, brought to you by Pfizer, the CNN one, that's fucking nuts, man.
tim dillon
It's crazy.
joe rogan
It's nuts.
There's so much money involved in this.
These people just keep their fucking mouth shut because these people aren't real journalists on television.
You see that when Chris Cuomo has to debate Dave Smith.
What they are is mouthpieces for whatever the fuck is the network.
tim dillon
They're actors.
joe rogan
And they think they're journalists, which is hilarious.
Elon Musk sat down with Don Lemon.
Yeah.
Elon said it best, rather.
He said, Don is doing CNN outside of CNN. Right.
That's what he thinks talking to people is.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
No, they're actors, they're showpieces, and they're mouthpieces for usually corporate America and quite often whatever party makes corporate America feel cozy at the moment.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a bizarre, bizarre merging of commerce and the news.
That's another thing no one saw common, right?
The Founding Fathers, they never saw that level of propaganda being possible, that you would have funded propaganda that was working step by step with the government.
tim dillon
It's gotten to be...
But you know what?
Watching it fall apart over the last few years has been really interesting.
Because it is falling apart.
joe rogan
Oh, well, it has to.
tim dillon
You are watching these guys and you go, they are convincing nobody.
I mean, I'm sure they're still convincing some people, but most free-thinking people, most people that don't have an investment in it are looking at it.
It feels fake.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
It all feels fake.
I think people are starting to question it more than they ever have.
I don't think the government will ever fully recover from the pandemic in terms of trust levels with all those kids who had to do proms in a car or wear masks jogging on a track.
I don't think those kids ever look at the government the same way and that's probably good.
joe rogan
It's good.
tim dillon
I think that's good.
joe rogan
It's good.
And the thing is, like, young kids are paying attention to what is going on now in a way that they know that it's going to affect their life.
They pay attention to the government like, these fucking idiots, they're going to affect my life.
Because they affected their life.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
And they did it to their parents.
Like, how many of these young kids saw parents lose jobs, saw divorces happen, suicides in the family, breakups, drug addiction?
So many fucking things happened that didn't have to happen that were brought on because of the lockdowns and because of the pandemic and the government's mandating things.
And how many people did they know that got health problems because of the vaccine?
How many people did they know died young?
Everybody knows something.
tim dillon
No, and I think they're more likely now to have a skeptical view of the government.
joe rogan
Which is good.
tim dillon
And I think they understand more probably the value of...
Now, I don't know if they're going to understand this in every area, but what propaganda is, how it kind of functions, and how to...
Be aware and cognizant of the fact that there are people that are shaping and sculpting the narrative and shoving it down your throat.
I think there's more people now questioning things, especially young kids, Are questioning stuff about the war machine and the war economy more than they ever have before and going like, what is, why are we involved here?
And why are we funding this?
And why are we doing that?
And I think people are, and that doesn't mean they're sloppy, obviously.
They're not getting everything right, but they're out there.
joe rogan
And they're also being heavily manipulated.
Yeah.
Which is, you know, something that's been discussed with a bunch of people on the show.
We talked about, like, You know, with Gadsad in particular.
Like, who is behind all these protests at the universities?
Like, they're organized.
tim dillon
Sure.
joe rogan
And they're organized by Soros-funded groups and a bunch of different groups that they organize these things to get a narrative very popular.
Yes.
You know?
And that it's all—the whole thing is just disruptive.
That's the key.
The key is to get people upset.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
To keep people disrupted.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And to further erode our idea that we have any kind of control whatsoever about what goes on.
tim dillon
I went to one of those protests at UCLA. How was it?
It was fun, you know?
It's young people.
They're trying to enjoy themselves.
joe rogan
Is that what it was?
tim dillon
It kind of felt like that.
joe rogan
Like a little festive?
tim dillon
It didn't feel like Hamas had taken over the college.
Like, I know that...
It felt like there were people there that were clearly probably pro-Hamas, right?
As a, whatever you want to call them, as a group.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
But then it felt like there was a lot of kids there that just saw what was going on in Gaza and they were like, we are against America funding that.
And they went out to do that and they wanted to, in the best way that they knew how express, how upset they were.
Now, you know, you can't destroy property.
You can't commandeer areas.
These are all areas where, in a civil society, you can't do those things.
But I think a lot of the people, their reaction to a lot of what was going on was probably heavily manipulated, but some of it was organic.
joe rogan
It's also they're just trying to be good people.
tim dillon
Seeing it on TikTok, going like, we're seeing kids being killed, and we're paying for it, and we should do something And the more people I spoke to, I was like, yeah, I didn't think that they were...
I thought probably a lot of them were a little naive about certain things, but they're in college.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
So that's okay.
joe rogan
Everybody's naive in college.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
Yeah, and it's a thing to be a good person.
You want to go out and support the good thing.
What's the good thing?
Free Palestine.
unidentified
Yes.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
They should be free.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
From the river to the sea.
Which river, which sea?
unidentified
No one knows.
joe rogan
No one knows.
That's not what's important.
What's important is I'm out here because, you know, Debbie's really progressive and she's hot.
Want some coffee?
unidentified
Yeah, please.
joe rogan
Debbie's really progressive and she's hot and I'm trying to impress her.
tim dillon
Well, that's, and listen, there's a, I enjoyed it.
They had, you know, it seemed fun.
I took a few selfies with them.
They were good people.
And then they were like the cops.
joe rogan
Yeah, recognized.
tim dillon
Yeah, a few times.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
And then the kids were like, they were like, you had Abby Martin on.
And I was like, thank you, you know, whatever, thank you.
And they were very nice.
And then they were like, well, the cops are coming in, they think.
They go, we think they're coming in with rubber bullets and, you know, hoses and everything.
And I said, I got to, at the Beverly Hills Hotel, you have to put your breakfast order on the door by 1 a.m.
And I explained that to the kids.
And they'll know.
They'll bring the egg and everything.
I said, I can't be here during the onslaught of the police activity.
But you guys should.
I even said that.
I go, you guys shouldn't.
Lock arms.
Do that stuff.
Because you only live once and you're only a kid once.
And make these cops work.
Who cares?
Lock arms, but I had to go.
I can't be.
joe rogan
Did you see what happened in Philly when the gay pride parade met Free Palestine?
Oh, there was a fight.
tim dillon
Yeah, it was a clash.
joe rogan
They clashed.
tim dillon
Kurt Metzger would call that, the great Kurt Metzger would call that, I believe, an intersectional car crash.
joe rogan
It was funny.
They were saying you can't march because Palestine's not free.
You gotta stop right here.
We're more important.
This is more important than you being happy.
tim dillon
It was weird watching it because they were like, there's no joy, no one should be happy.
I think Pride is very silly that it's a whole month.
That's very silly.
If you look at what was done to black people, and you look at what was done to gay people, it's insane that Pride is a full month.
A couple of weekends, maybe one or two, the idea that it's a full month is nuts.
joe rogan
How about there's only Veterans Day?
tim dillon
Right, there's one day for veterans and there's an entire month.
joe rogan
Memorial Day.
There's Veterans Day and Memorial Day.
tim dillon
And what the Month of Pride allows people to do is it allows corporations to just talk about, you know, how down they are with fisting.
That's really all it is.
joe rogan
Why don't we have a Veterans Month?
tim dillon
It's just Capital One going, it's like, we will, you can...
And I say that as an out gay guy who has no problem with people going to pride parades and having fun.
I don't think a nine-year-old should be there.
joe rogan
How old do you think is the cutoff?
tim dillon
I mean, when your kids are in their teens, perhaps, if they're in their older teens, I just think kids should be...
joe rogan
Legal teens, you mean?
tim dillon
No, I mean, I don't think a 13-year-old needs to be there either.
joe rogan
17?
tim dillon
17 is hard.
joe rogan
17 and know he's gay.
tim dillon
17, or they could just 17 and they're mature enough to handle what's going on.
joe rogan
Are they, though?
tim dillon
I don't know, but it depends.
joe rogan
I'm not mature enough to handle what's going on in the Pride Parades.
tim dillon
The Pride Parades have gone off the chain.
They've gone off the chain.
But, you know, people dressing up like dogs and stuff is crazy.
joe rogan
Congressman.
tim dillon
But, like, to me, I've always felt that, like, if you're going to go out and have a party where people are getting drunk and hooking up and dancing, anybody who's legally underage shouldn't be there.
So 17 is right on the cusp, and then 18 and everything is fine.
But to me, it's like, I don't think it belongs for kids.
That's clearly it doesn't belong for kids.
joe rogan
Well, people want to do it to show their kids tolerance and acceptance.
tim dillon
But you don't have.
That's not.
joe rogan
I think people want to do it.
It's very sexualized.
tim dillon
It's very sexualized.
joe rogan
The thing about pride is like, yeah, sure, you should celebrate the fact that gays are free to get married and they have all the same rights as everybody else, as they should.
But it's sexual.
Yes.
It's like a lot of guys with thongs on.
tim dillon
Well, it's like spring break, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's wild.
tim dillon
It's like, would you take your 10-year-old to spring break to teach them tolerance?
No.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
You wouldn't do that.
That's kind of straight pride.
Spring break is a bunch of people going to get fucked up in Florida.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
And they're gonna fight each other and have sex.
And you wouldn't take your young children to see that.
I don't see the reason to take your kids to a highly sexualized parade.
joe rogan
Yeah.
No, I agree.
tim dillon
You want to take them to an event that's not as sexualized?
Like, maybe...
A mother would tell her kids, like, your father's getting an award.
He's gay.
He's getting an award.
That's why it didn't work out with us.
Your father's gay.
He's a faggot, and we're watching him get an award tonight because he wrote a book.
joe rogan
Poor bastards are out there in marriages right now that are gay.
tim dillon
Probably a lot.
There's probably a lot of them.
joe rogan
Just trapped.
Just can't be themselves.
tim dillon
But you know what it is?
Nothing's great.
You probably have a fine wife.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
Nothing's great.
Listen, continue to do things on the DL, just don't give her AIDS. I, and this is not a popular thing to say it, during Pride, there's so many political attachments to being gay now.
If you're a closeted guy, just fuck your wife once a month, cheat on her, don't give her AIDS, and just keep the family tight.
And I know that that's probably not popular.
But, I mean, now is not the...
I mean, it's just, if you're 60, are you gonna come out?
I mean, do we really need people coming out in their 70s?
Do we need this?
To be very honest.
There's a window of which you can get honest.
If you don't, double down on the lie.
I think that's a great strategy for all of life.
I think there's a window to be honest.
It's not forever.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
Nobody wants somebody coming out in their 50s, 60s.
joe rogan
It's on their deathbed.
tim dillon
Yeah, it's on their deathbed.
Oh, so now you've lied the whole time?
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
Just keep it a secret.
Just keep it a secret.
joe rogan
Not a bad piece of advice.
tim dillon
It's not a bad piece of advice.
Happy Pride.
But it is...
I do feel that way.
I think that like...
joe rogan
For some people.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Some people probably can't handle a change.
The big shift?
tim dillon
Yeah, sure.
It's a big shift.
It's also weird now because people, it's like, what are you coming out as?
If you just, you want to have sex with dudes, you want to have sex with women, and then you're like, okay, so then, okay, I'm gay or lesbian, but then you're like, what is the LGBTQIA2 thing?
unidentified
Two-spirit.
tim dillon
What is that flag?
joe rogan
You'd be a two-spirit.
tim dillon
That's what two is.
The fact that we allow that is hilarious.
joe rogan
No, no, it's amazing.
tim dillon
It's amazing.
joe rogan
And A. I like how A's in there.
You're asexual.
You don't have a fucking dog in this race.
tim dillon
So you go, okay, so I have this, and then I have a flag.
Nobody understands the flag.
joe rogan
Keeps getting bigger.
tim dillon
Indigenous?
joe rogan
Keeps changing.
tim dillon
What do white gay people, and I'm not saying indigenous people don't have issues, But what do white gay people have anything to do with the indigenous community?
joe rogan
They're just trying to develop a gang.
tim dillon
Yeah, it's right.
It's like, why would they pretend to understand what indigenous people go through?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
How did the I get in there?
It used to be we were making fun of putting the trans people and the lesbians in with the gays.
Yes.
Which are very different things.
tim dillon
Well, lesbians are going away.
Barry Weiss is the final lesbian.
Did you know that?
joe rogan
No.
tim dillon
She's the final one.
That's it.
joe rogan
The final countdown.
tim dillon
And do you know in Israel they canceled the pride parade this year?
joe rogan
Why?
tim dillon
Because their gay pride flag, they made the yellow, I think, bigger because of the hostages.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
tim dillon
So they would not have a gay pride parade.
And they're also using all the material that they would have used in the pride parade to carpet bomb civilian areas of Rafa.
But here's the point.
All of the fireworks and stuff are directly being shot at babies' faces, who are homophobic and should go.
Because, by the way, you know that's the whole thing they're doing over there, where they go, they just bombed a school, and Israel's got to stop doing this all the time.
Every now and then, when I grew up, Israel would bomb a school every now and then, and people would go, oh.
It was not all the time.
Now they're doing it too much.
And it's making people upset.
When I grew up, it was a nice thing.
Every now and then, never a nice thing, but every now and then it would be like, you wouldn't know what Israel was doing.
Israel just bombed the school.
And you'd go, huh.
It was rare.
Now they're doing it so much.
And if you go, this might be a lot.
And I support them and their right to exist.
But this seems to be every human rights organization in the world, every country, everybody's going, this is guys, please.
Even America, even Biden, even Biden is going, guys, please.
And the response to maybe let's not bomb these refugee camps is, do you know what Hamas does to gay people and women?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
And it's like, guys, come on.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's not...
Yeah, but you're killing people.
tim dillon
You're killing children.
joe rogan
Yeah, and women.
tim dillon
And women.
Yeah, a lot of them.
joe rogan
A lot.
tim dillon
We got to figure out a way...
joe rogan
More than you're killing terrorists.
tim dillon
Yeah, we got to figure out a way to make this a better situation.
joe rogan
That's another one that's so wild, too, because the left has always been kind of clear on where it would look at conflicts.
With Ukraine, the left is all in for Ukraine, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's people on the right that are in for Ukraine, but the left is pretty much all in.
tim dillon
They're all in.
joe rogan
Putin's bad.
tim dillon
The far left isn't, but the mainstream left that we all know about is.
joe rogan
But with Israel, you have people on the left that are pro-Israel a lot.
Hardcore.
Hardcore.
Who just will find a way to rationalize the human shield argument, no matter what it is.
And no one is like being straight up about it.
Everyone's being ideological about it.
No one is saying the whole thing is chaos.
No one is saying, you know, no one's talking about the history of the region, like the real history of the region, which is really complex.
tim dillon
It's very complex.
joe rogan
It goes back forever.
And then no one is looking at this like there's any kind of fucking solution that makes any sense.
tim dillon
No.
joe rogan
So there's no clear path, like, this guy's dead on, and this is the way we have to treat this, and this has to be handled.
No, it's either Hamas is using human shields, and Israel has a right to exist, and they want to wipe Israel out, and if Israel laid down their arms, they would slaughter them.
If Hamas laid down their arms, they would be fine.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fuck, man.
tim dillon
It's hard.
And it's like there's definitely, I think, naivete on both sides.
The people at the Kamas as like a high school theater group are insane.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
But the people also that think that you can bomb your way to the piece over there, I don't know.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're not going to do that.
tim dillon
You're not going to do it.
joe rogan
What are they going to do with all those people that survive?
I mean, imagine how many future Hamas people they've created.
tim dillon
They're going to build hotels in Gaza.
They're going to turn it into a...
Because I think that's maybe the endgame, is to eventually put a bunch of money into it.
That's perhaps the endgame.
joe rogan
Well, it is expensive real estate.
It's on the sea.
tim dillon
It's real estate by the sea.
They're going to put hotels in it, and then white people, you know, white chicks from America are going to go to trips.
joe rogan
Well, whenever there's, like, land that something happens to that's close to water, people are like, hang on, hang on before we make any decisions.
You know, this area of Maui is really valuable.
We can do wild things here.
If we can figure out a way to appropriate, if we just hang on long enough for all these people to lose their mortgages, if we can just figure out a way to slow down construction, slow down rebuilding...
tim dillon
They're going to hire...
joe rogan
I mean, look, it's a terrible tragedy that this happened, but look, we can't go back in time.
tim dillon
What are we going to do?
joe rogan
I mean, what are you going to do?
Let these people rebuild the shack?
tim dillon
They're going to hire the people that are left to work at the hotels.
That the people who bombed them are going to visit.
That is exactly what is going to happen.
And there's going to be a woman, there's going to be a kid who goes, here's your ex-Benedict, and she's going to go, hi, are you from here?
And he's going to go, yes.
And she's going to go, does your family still live here?
And he's going to go, no.
And she's going to go, why did they move?
And he's going to go, they were killed in the war.
And she's going to go, oh, anyway, can we have some ice lattes too?
Like, that's what's going to happen.
That's my guess.
My guess.
joe rogan
Do you think that there's any...
Is there a way that they could sell Israel taking over Gaza?
Is there a way they could actually sell that?
tim dillon
Yes.
The way you sell everything is by saying humanitarian reasons and you're going to pump in a lot of money and you're going to make things a lot better.
I don't know.
The last administration that truly tried to get a Palestinian state, people talk about Clinton, but it was really H.W. Bush.
George H.W. Bush tried to curb a lot of the settlement building and tried to say, listen, guys, we need to come to the table and have a Palestinian state.
There was another attempt during Clinton.
It didn't work for various reasons.
People can argue about why.
It does feel like no one's talked about it recently, and it's just kind of been a thing that everybody ignored.
So the idea that it won't exist is more likely now, I think, than it was.
I mean, and it should exist.
People should have the right to have a home.
But I feel like they would sell it in the sense that in order to provide economic and security guarantees, It has to be an occupied region forever.
I think that and then the idea is like, I mean, listen, they're preparing.
I mean, look at Military Times just wrote an editorial.
They want to bring back the draft.
They want to bring it back in Germany.
They're all preparing for something.
There is a very big push right now to militarize certain areas of the world, to bring back the draft, to see this as a Cold War that could turn hot.
Biden basically said to the Ukraine, use American weapons in Russia.
You can use American weapons, but not in a defensive capacity, for cross-border attacks into Russia.
Russia is now doing war games in the Caribbean.
You know, we are ratcheting all of this stuff up at a time when we should be completely going the other way.
We should be trying to figure out how to live on the planet with China, and we should not be encouraging countries to join NATO to antagonize Russia and getting involved in proxy wars.
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Didn't Trump say that he was going to pull out of NATO? He said that.
tim dillon
He also said he would have bombed...
You know, at a fundraiser the other day, he said he would have bombed Russia and China?
joe rogan
What?
tim dillon
He's very bellicose.
joe rogan
Yes, he did.
unidentified
He said that?
tim dillon
You can look at it.
Oh my God.
unidentified
Google that.
tim dillon
So he's saying all kinds of wild stuff.
Now, I don't think he would have, but I think it might also help to be that bellicose and say all those wild things.
joe rogan
Saying that you would bomb China and Russia?
tim dillon
He sat at a fundraiser recently, and the people in the fundraiser were kind of shocked.
He was basically like, yeah, we would have hit him.
You know, we would have done it.
Yeah, he's been, you know...
joe rogan
I gotta see this.
tim dillon
No, he's right here.
joe rogan
Trump at Fundraiser says, we would have bombed Russia and China.
What?
What?
What did he say?
Where did it say it?
What the fuck did he say?
I believe that President Trump would be supportive of Taiwan when he becomes president.
He was there the first term.
So where does it say that he would bomb?
unidentified
What does this I heard?
joe rogan
During a rally in Bronx, referenced several authoritarian leaders, including Vladimir Putin, saying they were at the top of their game, whether you like it or not.
The world is going to respect us again if he's re-elected, he claims.
The bomb revelation was made in a Washington Post report on Trump's recent fundraising tour, during which he tested the boundaries of federal campaign finance laws, according to experts.
At a fundraiser in New York earlier this month, Mr. Trump told the attendees he wanted to hear what they had on their minds, hearing options from former U.N. Ambassador and his final Republican primary opponent, Nikki Haley, and several issues connected to Israel.
Mr. Trump is routinely...
What is it?
Where does it say about the bomb thing?
Where does it say that?
I don't see any of this.
That should be like front and center if it's in the headline.
tim dillon
No, for sure.
joe rogan
Like, why are you making me go all day...
Where does it say you bomb him?
jamie vernon
They had it in quotes right here.
It says, the bomb revelation was made, but...
joe rogan
Right, but what does that mean?
jamie vernon
Amongst the people talking.
joe rogan
Yeah, but what does that mean?
Like, they're not saying his quote.
That's a real sneaky thing to do.
Yeah.
The bomb revelation was made in a Washington Post report on Trump's recent fundraising tour, but what was it?
jamie vernon
Let me find a different article on it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
See if they have a quote.
joe rogan
Yeah, that seems Trump would bomb Moscow.
jamie vernon
Allegedly said he would...
joe rogan
Allegedly.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
Allegedly.
tim dillon
Well, he says a lot of stuff, and he might not have said this.
joe rogan
But that's a crazy yahoo title.
Trump suggested at fundraiser he would have bombed.
That seems to me like, unless you have the fucking quote, you shouldn't be saying that.
tim dillon
It is kind of funny.
joe rogan
Out crazy Putin.
That's a great headline.
Oh my god, The Hill said that.
But this doesn't say he was going to bomb anybody.
jamie vernon
It says, according to the Kiev Independent, which is what Yahoo reposted.
The formerly and possibly future president.
joe rogan
Let me say this.
In what Trump said a few days before, according to the Kiev Independent, Independence retelling of a May 28 story in the Washington Post.
The former and possibly future president suggested at a fundraising event that he would have bombed Moscow in response to Russia full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
But this is not saying his actual quote.
He also said, in quotes, he would attack Beijing if China invaded Taiwan on his watch.
But is that, it's got an asterisk?
No, it's a quote.
So is that his quote?
Did he say that, though?
Because it's weird.
It's saying, the quote is that he said he would attack Beijing.
And so, in quotes that way...
Is that his quote, though?
Attack Beijing if China invaded Taiwan on his watch.
Did he actually say that?
Or is this a retelling of what this person is saying and they're putting that in quotes?
The whole thing is a little slippery.
tim dillon
It is slippery.
joe rogan
Because if you're not, it's suggested at a fundraising event he would have bombed Moscow.
Like, that seems like you should have that quote.
tim dillon
Yeah, you would think.
joe rogan
Trump makes sweeping promises to donors on an audacious fundraising tour.
It doesn't say anything in there about bombing, does it?
In the Washington Post.
Google will just do a find on this big-ass article and look for bomb.
Here it goes.
Okay, for example, at one event he suggested he would have bombed Moscow and Beijing if Russia invaded Ukraine and China or China invaded Taiwan, surprising some of the donors.
But you don't have the quote.
tim dillon
No, he said it before with John Daly with the golfer.
He did say, I told Vladimir I'd hit Moscow.
He did say that.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
tim dillon
And he did say that.
He said, and you can get this, he did say to John Daly, he basically said, like, listen, I told him, I said, if you go in, we'll hit Moscow.
And Trump said, I don't know if he believed me or not, but you just got to say these things, you know.
He was kind of telegraphing it.
But listen, I... I think that, you know, there's probably a value to some of that talk.
unidentified
You know, he was a friend of mine.
I got along great with him.
I say, Vladimir, if you do it, we're hitting Moscow.
I said, we're going to hit Moscow.
He sort of believed me, like 5%, 10%.
That's all you need.
tim dillon
He never did it during my time, John, you know?
unidentified
No.
No, it's funny.
Why did he do this during the last four years?
Because he knew he couldn't.
It's funny how Xi didn't bother you either.
joe rogan
John Daly getting hammered, chatting it up with the president.
tim dillon
Guy's got an amazing life.
joe rogan
I gotta get that guy in here.
Yeah.
John Daly, if you're out there.
tim dillon
It'd be epic.
joe rogan
Let's get hammered.
tim dillon
Yeah, but so, I mean, who knows if he said at the fundraiser or not.
They are slippery and they do attribute things to him.
And there's maybe more context to it.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's real hard to know.
But just saying that's crazy.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know if you believe me, maybe 5%.
tim dillon
Yeah, but I think maybe that's good.
There's something good about...
joe rogan
A maniac?
tim dillon
When you have a maniac in there who is, you know, a guy that's unpredictable.
I think maybe Kim Jong-un, you know, when he would do that, and then Trump was on the other end of that, maybe that was perhaps helpful.
joe rogan
Maybe.
tim dillon
In that spot.
joe rogan
I don't know, but do you really want to be playing chicken with fucking Russia?
tim dillon
No, I think we got to chill.
I think we got to chill across the board.
It doesn't feel like we're chilling.
It feels like we're on this inevitable course towards World War III. It's every article and headline.
It's like, guys, let's pull it back.
Let's have a summer here.
joe rogan
Yeah, let's relax a little bit.
But it's not going to relax because it's getting close to November.
tim dillon
And everybody's got to be terrified.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Aren't you?
tim dillon
Well, depending on which article I read or media I consume, I don't know.
It feels like...
They're doing a lot to keep him from running.
I mean, you have the Stormy Daniels thing, which was a misdemeanor.
It was elevated to this felony.
It was like it would have never been prosecuted had he not been running for president.
joe rogan
And that scares the shit out of me.
tim dillon
That's terrible.
joe rogan
That stuff's crazy.
tim dillon
Absolutely.
And the Republicans are going to do it back.
So now you're going to have...
Because they weaponized the government against, you know, when you had like the Steele dossier and Hillary Clinton, you had all of this.
What ended up being, you know, faulty intelligence about him being controlled by Russia.
And then they had all of these investigations and spent all of this time and energy trying to Get him and couldn't.
And then they tried to get him on, like, inflating the prices of the buildings he owns.
And now they finally got him on paying hush money to someone, a porn star.
joe rogan
Well, what they got him on was the inappropriate way they put it in the ledger.
tim dillon
Right.
The way they put it in the ledger.
The way they entered.
Right.
joe rogan
Exactly.
34 times.
34 different felons.
tim dillon
And I know people that hate Trump that go, They shouldn't have done that.
joe rogan
Well, that's scary.
If he gets into office, you don't think that judges and prosecutors that are sympathetic to him would do the same thing?
tim dillon
Absolutely.
joe rogan
That's probably what's scaring the Biden people more than anything, is the retribution.
I mean, this guy is a vindictive guy.
He's always been a guy that goes after people who go after him.
He hits back harder than they hit him.
And if they're doing this to him, and he knows all the people that did it, Well, you have all the guys now, his guys, right?
tim dillon
Batting, Stephen Miller, all these guys.
They are all saying, hey, where are you?
DAs all over the country start bringing cases against prominent Democrats.
Yeah, they're worried.
joe rogan
They're worried.
You know, they're worried because if Trump doesn't get in, then...
Do you remember what happened when Trump lost and then all these people were saying everybody who supported him, they should be on a list?
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
Whoa.
tim dillon
That was insane.
joe rogan
Whoa.
tim dillon
Are they willing to start a world war before this election?
That's interesting.
Are they willing to start a world war before this election?
What are they willing to do?
What are they not willing to do?
joe rogan
Well, maybe a world war gets started because they don't want Trump in office.
Maybe someone else starts it.
tim dillon
I'm wondering how far they're willing to go.
I'm also wondering how other countries, like you just said, might take advantage of this.
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe they would take advantage of it because they know that's the best way to keep Trump from being the president.
If Trump is promising all these embargoes and all this different shit that he's going to do to China and everything he's going to do around the world, if I was in another country, I'd be like, we don't want that.
No.
Like, escalate things, you know.
Right around October, invade Taiwan, take that over.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
See what happens.
tim dillon
I mean, that's the thing.
A lot of people are thinking that there is a possibility that you see somebody makes a move.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
You know?
joe rogan
I mean, what better time to make a move than the chaos of us right now?
Right.
You got a choice between what the Democrats keep calling a convicted felon.
Convicted felon.
He's a convicted felon.
And there's been all this talk about repeating that over and over again.
Make sure we get that message out there.
tim dillon
No one cares.
joe rogan
Convicted felon.
tim dillon
Yeah, I mean, it's just such a stupid thing.
joe rogan
Well, he's got a lot of people voting for him now that wouldn't have voted for him before.
tim dillon
There's a lot of people, I think, that are also seeing the...
It would be one thing...
I mean, listen, I have nothing good to say about Gavin Newsom.
But if you had a guy that had his...
Faculties.
Could speak.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Was of a reasonable age or whatever.
joe rogan
Could gaslight better.
tim dillon
Could gaslight better.
But the fact that you have this guy who's so old that, to me, does suggest, for whatever reason, they're terrified of replacing him with someone else.
I do not know why.
I don't know why.
But it feels like who's ever running things right now does not want anybody coming in and looking under the hood.
That does feel like that.
joe rogan
I could be wrong.
Like if you're in business with someone, they won't let you look at the books.
tim dillon
Why are they killing Assange every day?
Why are they torturing and killing Julian Assange?
What did Julian Assange unleash that has made them...
Do this to him where they're slowly and methodically killing him in front of everybody.
joe rogan
Well, they can't stop now, right?
They've been doing it for so long.
They can't stop now because then he becomes a martyr with no consequences.
tim dillon
And the same people go and talk about Alexei Navalny and try to get you to be upset that Vladimir Putin, which made no sense.
Why would Putin kill a guy who was...
Now, I'm not saying Putin's an angel, but Navalny was never a threat to Putin in any way.
He was in a Siberian prison.
And the week that we were having that vote, about $60 billion for the Ukraine, Putin kills his biggest critic publicly?
That's insane.
That makes no sense to anybody.
joe rogan
What do you think happened?
tim dillon
Well, if I had to guess, there's two ways.
And Alexei Navalny might have just died.
People can't just die.
But it seems like if there was any group of people that had a benefit from Alexei Navalny dying when he did, it's not Russia.
It would be us.
If we're trying to pass to a country that's a little war-weary and a little tired and going, we don't really need...
Why are we in this?
What is the endgame in Ukraine?
What does it look like?
How much money should we be kicking over there?
We're trying to pass that bill, get that through Congress.
We have to portray Vladimir Putin as a monster who's unwilling to negotiate.
We have to do that.
In order to fund that war, we have to present him as a guy who's hell-bent on taking over Europe, and that war is in our vital national security interest.
And the more we can paint him as that person, The better it is and the more likely we are to be able to pass that bill.
And it's just very weird if he wanted to get rid of Alexei Navalny that he would have done it then.
joe rogan
But wasn't that guy in a terrible prison?
tim dillon
He was in a bad prison.
joe rogan
Obviously, Putin hated him.
tim dillon
Putin hated him, but Putin, they had tried to poison him already.
The FSB had already tried to poison Navalny.
joe rogan
So why wouldn't you think they just did it again?
tim dillon
Why?
What would be the point?
He's in that prison.
joe rogan
Because they want him dead.
Because Putin just wants him dead.
tim dillon
The week that America...
Alexei Navalny never had widespread support in Russia, by the way.
This is not true.
He had certain people that liked what he was doing.
He never had widespread support in Russia.
This is a Western narrative that's cooked up that's completely untrue.
Alexei Navalny started his life as a guy who was...
We'd criticize Jews.
He had a lot of fascist tendencies.
And then after a little trip to Europe and maybe a meeting with, I don't know, who knows?
Who knows who people meet with?
He decided to go back to Russia with a very pro-Western attitude and he changed course.
I'm not saying why people do that.
People see the light in all different ways.
The point is, the guy's in a Siberian prison.
America's about to pass a huge bill.
If you're the president of Russia, are you killing him that week?
That just to me is a question.
joe rogan
How did he die?
tim dillon
What are they saying?
But now they said something recently.
They said they found that he wasn't killed.
They came out with something.
They conducted...
Now, I don't know who's conducting this, whether it's a Human Rights Watch or an international...
joe rogan
You're dying slow in jail no matter what.
tim dillon
Yes, and that's a bad jail.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're in a Russian jail.
What are you eating?
tim dillon
And I'm not saying Navalny wasn't a patriot or whatever, but I'm just saying that the idea that killing him...
unidentified
Right.
tim dillon
Maybe the guy did love Russia.
I don't know.
Maybe the guy was a...
An egomaniacal guy who just wanted to lead.
He wanted to be the leader.
Maybe he was working with us.
I don't know.
But if you just look at it from a logical standpoint, it's weird that they killed him that week.
That's strange to me.
Doesn't make any sense.
joe rogan
Interesting.
I don't know enough about it to comment.
I would imagine if you wanted the guy dead.
tim dillon
That should never limit any of us.
joe rogan
How did he die?
Sudden death syndrome.
Oh.
Given notice of a dead Navalny's spokesperson, Kira Yarmish, said the time of his death, notice at 2.17pm local time, when Alexei's lawyer and mother arrived at the colony this morning, they were told that the cause of Navalny's death was sudden death syndrome.
That's a vague term for different cardiac syndromes that cause sudden cardiac arrest and death.
Yeah.
tim dillon
Maybe they just killed him.
Of course they might have killed him.
joe rogan
More likely, right?
I don't know.
Felt unwell for a walk, almost immediately losing consciousness.
tim dillon
He also just might have died in a jail.
joe rogan
How old was he?
Oh, that's pretty young.
Just dropped out of a heart attack.
tim dillon
It's certainly possible that they killed him.
It's just all of these events that we're told very little about, you have to then just rest on your own.
You go, well, I don't know.
It's very possible they killed him.
I don't know.
I don't live there.
What do I know?
It's very possible they killed him.
joe rogan
I like how you're thinking, though.
You're thinking like 4D chess.
tim dillon
Well, no, I'm thinking like, you know, the way when he dies, people go, he was a big threat and Putin had to vanquish him.
Was he?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Does anyone consume Russian media or listen to Russian podcasts?
I've listened to Russian podcasts.
I hear the way Russians talk.
I know people that live there.
We hear a lot of stuff, and then there's what we hear and then what's happening.
It doesn't mean that it's great.
I'd rather live here.
But it does mean that, like, this idea that there was a movement, like, remember when the hot dog warlord guy, Purgosian, was going through and everybody was salivating on social media being like, no, no, no, he's about to overthrow the Kremlin.
It's going to happen.
And it didn't happen.
joe rogan
No, if he did, he's a fucking warlord.
tim dillon
He's a war lawyer.
If he did, he's going to be worse.
But it didn't happen, because nobody has a fucking clue what's going on over there.
And then Assange, they're killing this guy in slow motion, and then telling us how outraged we should be about Navalny.
When Assange comes out, leaks a bunch of emails, we find out we're committing war crimes, we find out the CIA can remotely hijack your car, We find out that they can use all kinds of smartphone features to record you, you know, all that stuff.
He releases, I forget what it's called, Vault 7 or Vault 5. I think it's 7, but I don't know.
I forgot the name of the vault, but he releases all of these things.
Troves of Clinton emails, you know, and I'm not saying...
joe rogan
Seth Rich gets murdered.
tim dillon
Seth Rich gets murdered.
I'm not saying Pizzagate was real, but I've never in my life been like, have 50 hot dogs ready for the guy when he comes.
Like, no one talks.
Like, I don't know what they were talking about.
joe rogan
Hot dogs and pizza.
tim dillon
No one has ever communicated like that.
joe rogan
No.
tim dillon
Ever once.
Those emails.
joe rogan
The most bizarre...
tim dillon
Read those emails.
Nobody has ever communicated like that ever ago.
Well, I hope there's 50 hot dogs or something.
The president's going to love some of these good hot dogs.
Maybe we shouldn't have our hot dog parties at the White House.
Things that are so crazy when you read them, you don't know.
You go, this doesn't seem to be...
It doesn't seem to make any sense.
joe rogan
And they're talking about kids.
And talking about kids?
tim dillon
And they're talking about weird shit.
joe rogan
It seems coded.
tim dillon
It seems weirdly coded.
joe rogan
It seems so coded that I would assume that it's misinformation.
That it's fake.
That someone released it.
It's like some sort of a fake.
But I don't think it is.
I don't think it's ever been claimed.
I don't think it's ever been claimed to not have been their actual emails.
tim dillon
It's very strange.
And they have these emails.
That are all very weird and strange.
Seth Rich gets killed.
joe rogan
And anybody who thinks that Seth Rich might have got murdered because of leaking to WikiLeaks, even though Assange alluded to it.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
You're a conspiracy theorist.
tim dillon
You're a nut.
joe rogan
Well, wait a minute.
Do you or do you not think that sometimes people kill people?
unidentified
Yeah!
tim dillon
I mean, like, these people are crazy.
joe rogan
And you see a clear motive here.
unidentified
Huge.
joe rogan
You see a thing here.
unidentified
Absolutely.
joe rogan
That's a real big thing.
And if you pursue that at all, if you even question that at all, if you look into it at all, they left his wallet, they left his phone, they didn't steal anything from him.
tim dillon
It was not a mugging.
joe rogan
Just murdered him.
tim dillon
It was not a mugging.
It was a murder.
joe rogan
You don't think that was weird?
tim dillon
It's very strange.
People go, oh, it was a bad area.
It was whatever.
Yes, but there was no economic crime happening.
joe rogan
Not only that, they left his stuff.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
They shot him and just left whatever he had.
tim dillon
They left all that.
joe rogan
Even if it wasn't a robbery.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you're the type of person who's going to shoot someone, you're going to leave their money with them?
tim dillon
You had all of that happening at the same time that high-up members of the national security apparatus in this country were coming out going, we have information that the President of the United States is either working for Russia, conspiring, has conspired with Russia.
joe rogan
Had girls pee on him.
tim dillon
Had girls pee on him.
They were accusing him of treason.
And remember this.
They were accusing the guy of treason.
This was not like he got a blowjob in the Oval Office.
This is treason.
And his supporters enabled a coup in our country backed by Russia.
None of that.
Two years, three years on TV. And everybody repeated it.
Everyone repeated it.
No one has since apologized.
Nobody has said we were wrong.
Nobody has shown any interest in getting to the bottom of how that happened.
They cook up this fake steel dossier, claiming all these things, the pee tape, all that stuff.
All of this intelligence ends up being, for lack of a better word, pretty unsourced.
And the Clinton campaign paid for that dossier.
And so all of that stuff, unreal how corrupt.
Now when you zoom out, and you look, and then you go, there's this old guy with dementia that they don't want to give up on, and then you zoom out.
And you go, oh, maybe there is something else happening.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Jesus.
Who the fuck knows?
tim dillon
You can only say this if you have these glasses on.
joe rogan
Yeah, you feel better.
tim dillon
If you take them off, you immediately become a normie and you can't.
joe rogan
And you feel nervous about that.
tim dillon
You feel nervous.
You start going, I like Biden.
I like that he's a family man, which someone said the other day.
unidentified
He's a good man.
tim dillon
A family man.
joe rogan
He's a good man.
tim dillon
The family.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
Our president's son right now is in court trying to convince a judge that he was not smoking crack when he bought a gun.
joe rogan
Is he the first guy to ever get arrested for that?
tim dillon
I don't know.
But that's such a funny thing that that's literally what the son of the president is doing right now.
They've got his ex-wife testifying, ex-girlfriend.
joe rogan
Yeah, not just like smoking.
He was saying he's smoking crack every hour on the hour.
tim dillon
Yeah, and one of them, I think his ex-wife or ex-girlfriend said she was witnessing him do it every 20 minutes, which is kind of impressive.
joe rogan
How do you stay alive?
Think about all the people who have died of overdoses.
That guy's out there.
Keep on trucking.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
Dropping accidental packages in the White House.
tim dillon
Well, he's fit.
He's kind of built for Ed.
He's built to smoke crack.
You know what I mean?
He has fun sex.
He can handle it.
joe rogan
Like Shane Gillis can handle beer.
tim dillon
Absolutely.
Some people can just handle stuff.
And, you know, I don't even want him to stop smoking crack.
joe rogan
I think he stopped.
tim dillon
Sure.
You don't think so?
No, no, no.
unidentified
Sure.
tim dillon
I mean, listen, whatever.
He's great.
unidentified
He's great.
tim dillon
They're all great!
They found Coke in the White House!
joe rogan
You know, I had a chance to- Who was that?
I had a chance to get him on the podcast.
tim dillon
Oh, Joe!
joe rogan
I know.
Early, early, early on, when he was releasing a book, before the laptop stuff or all the shit hit the fan.
tim dillon
Oh, well then that might have sucked.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I think I could have...
tim dillon
You could have opened the box.
joe rogan
Whenever they were...
He was going to go on...
I think they canceled all of it, though.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think when the shit started...
It probably never would have happened.
Because I think once things started going sideways...
I think he did a couple of interviews before things went completely sideways.
I think it was because of a book.
It was before he was selling those...
Paintings.
tim dillon
Yeah, it's an artist.
joe rogan
For like half a billion bucks each.
tim dillon
He's a sensitive soul.
He's a sensitive soul.
He lives in Malibu.
He's an artist.
joe rogan
Paintings are a crazy way to fuck around with money.
unidentified
Absolutely.
tim dillon
It's a great money laundering scheme.
joe rogan
It really is.
tim dillon
It's the best.
joe rogan
It's a great way to do it.
And, you know, it's interesting.
It's like the CIA. There's real evidence now.
The CIA was involved in Jackson Pollock.
tim dillon
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
You know that, right?
Which makes sense.
tim dillon
Of course.
joe rogan
Because those paintings were terrible.
tim dillon
Yeah.
Not only were they bad, but all of that whole era of art, they were kind of...
It also fucked with people's heads, because people were looking at those paintings going, I could do that.
unidentified
Easily.
tim dillon
And capitalism only works if you have respect for the accomplishments of other people.
You've got to be able to look at people and go, I can't do that.
joe rogan
Bro, there's some work like that that is insanely expensive.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it's just splatters.
And you're like, what is this?
tim dillon
Well, it's a great way to get over on the rent.
People think rich people always get over.
It's not true.
Rich people get beat all the time by other rich people.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
tim dillon
Because they all agree that there are certain kinds of bullshit that they tolerate.
And one of them is like, they buy this crap art that is like this modern art that, you know, One was a blank canvas once that sold for $200,000.
unidentified
How much do you think that went for?
joe rogan
$5 million.
jamie vernon
Tim, any guess?
tim dillon
What is it?
Is it Pollock?
An original?
joe rogan
It's not Pollock?
jamie vernon
I don't think so.
joe rogan
Someone else?
jamie vernon
I'll show you the answer if I look.
joe rogan
I say $5 million.
tim dillon
I'll say $2 million.
jamie vernon
$300 million.
tim dillon
Two weeks of the Ukraine war.
That's two weeks of the Ukraine war, that painting.
joe rogan
That is so crazy.
tim dillon
Can we just give the Ukraine that and have them sell it?
Can we just give them art like that and have them repurpose it?
joe rogan
What is it?
jamie vernon
William de Kooning.
tim dillon
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Okay, so it's 55. It's the head in the middle of the CIA. Yeah, this is when they were doing this.
So was this the American guy who did it?
jamie vernon
The CEO of Citadel bought it.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
What a fucking asshole.
tim dillon
You know, you made a great point about chaos.
You just need a certain amount of chaos.
And with this crap, it just starts driving people crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
And I think that chaos ends up becoming the point.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's a factor.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
You know, it's like noise.
Like, if you want to kill somebody, turn off the music so no one hears them scream.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
So that's interesting.
When you see them really get involved in culture in the 60s, and they are in Laurel Canyon, and they're at Haight-Ashbury.
joe rogan
Oh, they were involved in everything.
tim dillon
And they're working with everybody.
You've had that guy on your show, wrote that great book about Manson and all that stuff.
And they're involved with cults, they're involved with everybody.
jamie vernon
That's actually the painting.
The one I had up that it showed was not the correct painting.
joe rogan
Oh, this is the one?
That one still sucks.
That's $300 million?
That's even less impressive.
tim dillon
Dude, that's worse.
joe rogan
That one's less good.
If I bought the other one for $400, I'd feel better.
tim dillon
That's like something a guy like me picks out.
jamie vernon
The other one was $27.6 million.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
tim dillon
Well, that's reasonable.
joe rogan
Good lord.
Is it the same artist?
jamie vernon
I don't think so, no.
joe rogan
So this guy, what is the big deal about this guy?
jamie vernon
I didn't.
I don't know.
I was just looking through another article.
joe rogan
God, these are garbage.
This is a garbage painting.
jamie vernon
The top 15 from 2020, and I was like, the very first one it shows was the one I just showed you.
joe rogan
Oh, but that's number 15. Right.
Yeah, and that's $27 million.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So this is the most expensive works of art.
Oh, look at this one.
How much is that piece of shit?
Bro, that's something my daughter would have done when she was four.
jamie vernon
28.7.
joe rogan
28.1.
What?
tim dillon
It's fake.
joe rogan
What?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So this is money laundering.
tim dillon
This is money laundering.
joe rogan
Well, then there's Picasso.
Picasso's actually kind of cool, though.
Look at that one.
Let me see the Picasso one.
Look at this one.
tim dillon
That's different.
joe rogan
The Picasso one's kind of cool.
tim dillon
But it's destroying the difference.
By elevating a lot of the other stuff, they're also muddying the waters.
joe rogan
Look at this one.
It's all blue.
tim dillon
Yeah, except that one line.
joe rogan
There's a line down the middle.
How much is that one?
tim dillon
30. That's the thin blue line.
joe rogan
$30 million.
This one's a black, red with a black square at the bottom.
$21 million.
This is insane.
Oh, that's a dinosaur, though.
That's an actual skeleton, yeah, for 32. That's pretty dope.
tim dillon
Well, that's fun.
joe rogan
That's pretty dope.
tim dillon
That belongs in a Miami penthouse, first floor.
joe rogan
I looked at a house in Beverly Hills when I was thinking about living in Beverly Hills, and it had a dinosaur in it.
tim dillon
See, that's cool.
joe rogan
You could buy the dinosaur for, like, an extra million.
tim dillon
The Persians are fun.
joe rogan
Yes.
tim dillon
Because they own those places.
joe rogan
I have a dinosaur.
tim dillon
You don't have a dinosaur?
There's one guy there that has white tigers in the backyard.
unidentified
What?
tim dillon
He has like a white tiger thing in his backyard.
joe rogan
Actual white tigers?
tim dillon
Yes.
joe rogan
You're allowed to do that?
unidentified
No.
tim dillon
He's not allowed.
joe rogan
He's just ballin'.
tim dillon
He doesn't care.
He doesn't give a fuck.
unidentified
He's a diplomat.
tim dillon
But it's kind of well known that he does.
joe rogan
It's well known that he has tigers?
unidentified
Jesus.
tim dillon
Maybe not amongst the people that would...
joe rogan
It is now.
tim dillon
Yeah, for sure.
unidentified
Now people know.
tim dillon
Now people go.
joe rogan
What's the address?
tim dillon
Oh, I don't know.
They don't invite me.
I'm going to be standing there with the tiger.
joe rogan
Did you ever see that show, The Shaws of Sunset?
tim dillon
Yes.
joe rogan
It's all the rich Persians.
tim dillon
Yes.
Tarangelis.
They call LA. Tarangelis.
Which is fun.
There is something fun about those people.
I like the gold and the gaudy and the glitter.
The wasps, to me, they're like the fading wasp empire where they're loaded, but they drive like a shitty beater car.
joe rogan
I don't like that.
tim dillon
And they wear loafers.
joe rogan
I like how you do it.
tim dillon
I like how I do it, which is disgusting and vulgar, and it shows people that money isn't even good.
Right.
The way I live proves that money isn't even good.
joe rogan
That's the...
tim dillon
I buy things at Dior.
When I walk into these stores, I buy a dumb hoodie or something that looks crazy or a feathered coat or whatever.
And people see me in it, they go, you know what?
So what?
So what?
We don't have a lot.
Look at this idiot.
Capitalism needs people like me to go out and do things that are so buffoonish.
It makes people go, you know what?
This whole thing, money ain't it.
Money ain't it.
Let's just go to the lake.
But it is something gross about...
I like when people...
That don't have money, because I never had money, and then at 37 I had money at like 36, and then you do dumb shit.
My parents had no money.
No one smart does what I do, but that's okay.
The only smart thing I've done is I have some houses, so I can't...
Pick them up and, you know, snort them or whatever.
Right.
But nobody buys the kind of dumb sunglasses or dumb Bentleys.
Nobody does that if they have a clue.
unidentified
Right.
tim dillon
But my parents, my mother was a swim teacher and my father was a wine salesman.
They were good people, but we didn't know anything about money.
We never learned about money.
We had no idea about money.
So I just, you know...
When you get money, you go, I should do things, like go to Beverly Hills and get a very shiny, gross, grotesque car.
Because that's what it is.
That's the whole point in Beverly Hills.
You get a nice car, you drive up to one of these restaurants, the valets park it, they go, that's a nice car, and then you just go, thank you.
That's the whole interaction.
That's what you want.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
joe rogan
You want to get that thank you.
You want to get the admiring looks.
tim dillon
What you should tell them is you should go, I live in hell, and then just walk in.
You should go, I'm owned.
Because a lot of those people are.
You should just go.
joe rogan
Especially if you're like at the margins.
tim dillon
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, you really shouldn't have that car?
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
Ooh, there's a lot of people out there living like that.
tim dillon
Well, a real estate agent told me once that New York was a $50 million house cash and LA was a $50 million house with a $48 million mortgage.
He said, people on the West Coast are just leveraged.
The money's newer.
It's different.
It's not, you know, as old, I guess.
So then people just, they're, and there's more like keeping up with the Joneses attitude, perhaps.
joe rogan
Well, LA's filled with that.
tim dillon
Filled with that.
joe rogan
That's the whole thing.
It's like fake it till you make it.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It's the influencer culture.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
People are renting houses and cars.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
And taking pictures in front of them, like blessed.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
And now I think it's just not even fake it till you make it.
It's just fake it till you fake it.
Yeah, just keep faking it.
joe rogan
Yeah, just keep faking it.
tim dillon
You've got to keep faking it.
joe rogan
As you make it, fake it harder.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
Yeah, and we were just talking about the average price of a home in LA. Is it California itself or LA? California itself.
The average price of a home is $1 million, which is absurd.
So crazy.
tim dillon
It's so crazy.
joe rogan
That's so much money.
And then the average income is like $60,000, right?
jamie vernon
62 is the thing I saw.
joe rogan
62 is the average income.
One million is the average home.
tim dillon
It's unsustainable.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's beyond.
tim dillon
Yeah, it's crazy.
joe rogan
Could you imagine the fucking fear that you would have if you had a one million dollar mortgage and you made $60,000 a year?
tim dillon
What's worse about this whole thing?
Go look at the houses for a million bucks.
They're dumps.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
They're not even nice.
joe rogan
No.
tim dillon
Like, it's crazy what you don't get there.
joe rogan
Right.
You'd have to live in Palmdale to get a nice house for a million dollars.
tim dillon
You know what it is?
It's pretty.
California's the girl that's just hot and forever has been hot.
joe rogan
But ruins your life.
unidentified
Right.
tim dillon
I mean, it's just pretty.
It's stunningly beautiful.
There are parts of it, like Montecito or Santa Barbara, you go up there, you go, this is so pretty.
But everybody there's houses burned down four times.
They're on their third divorce.
There's been mudslides.
They're kids in rehab.
But it's pretty.
joe rogan
A lady I looked at with a house up there.
She died in a mudslide.
The real estate lady that showed us the house.
tim dillon
This is what happens.
But they'll tell you that in the way they talk.
Santa Barbara.
It's always sunset.
And they have this voice.
And they tell you the worst things about something in the very nice Conway.
And they go, this is beautiful.
It's a remodel because it burned down.
And the family was in it.
And that was sad.
unidentified
So weird.
tim dillon
But it burned down, and it's a remodel, and they did a great job, and the finishes are beautiful.
You're not in the path of the mudslide.
You're not in the direct path, but you're in an area that can have seismic activity.
We don't love that.
You know the fire department, and they got called on this, did the vegetation or something so that when the floods hit, Montecito was kind of spared.
They tried, and they got called out on this.
Like, the LA Fire Department or whatever was like, they had to do certain things where, like, they prioritize, like, that area over all the other areas.
joe rogan
Well, the problem is, like, the fire hits, the vegetation gets burned down, and then they get the mudslides because they don't have anything protecting the erosion anymore.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Right?
And that's what happened.
They had a big-ass fire up there, which they have all the time.
I mean, when I lived in L.A., where I lived, we were evacuated three times.
tim dillon
Wow.
joe rogan
Three times.
One time, I mean, you burnt the fucking next door neighbor's house.
Two of them.
jamie vernon
Just for clarity, it's by 2030, but it's still like $900,000 right now, I just saw.
joe rogan
Okay.
Only $900,000.
It's a bargain.
tim dillon
That's crazy.
joe rogan
It's a bargain for someone to make $62,000 a year.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just imagine being in the hole like that.
tim dillon
Well, this is the whole problem.
joe rogan
Because you can't make, even if you made $62,000 a year and had zero expenses, Right?
And didn't have to pay taxes.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
It still is going to take you fucking forever to pay that off.
You're never going to be able to pay it off.
tim dillon
This is right before we build...
We engineered this crisis.
We chose...
We allowed this to happen.
We let foreign billionaires buy stuff.
We let our own companies buy residential real estate.
We let it all happen.
And it's right before...
We could enact laws.
We could stop it.
Anything that's happening could be stopped.
But it's right before they start telling people, okay, live in a pod.
Live in this pod.
This is right before they start introducing, like, Okay, you know what?
It's too expensive for you?
Guess what?
Here's the good news.
We've got, and they're just going to 3D printed housing everywhere in the middle of the desert.
unidentified
It's going to be a nightmare.
joe rogan
The wildest one is funds, right?
Funds buying up houses, residential houses so they can just rent them out.
unidentified
Do it all the time.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're doing a lot now.
tim dillon
They do it all the time.
But I do feel like we are right there where it's going to get so bad, where they're just going to start, whether it's 3D printing or whatever they're doing, where they're just going to have houses and go, here we go.
Here we go.
They're all together.
They're all, you know, they're not great.
joe rogan
15 minute city.
There's no reason for you to go outside of your 15 minute city.
tim dillon
You have it.
joe rogan
You have a little park over here.
Go to your park.
tim dillon
And you're going to live in that and they're going to have an app and your whole life will be an app.
There'll be an app with your city.
Everything will be on the app.
joe rogan
Check in when you get outside the city.
tim dillon
You won't need to own a car.
You won't need to own a house.
joe rogan
It'll be a countdown when you leave the 15 minutes.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
You have 40 hours to return.
tim dillon
And then climate change is going to be the big reason they'll use.
They'll say, because of climate, we're limiting automobile ownership.
We're limiting this.
We're limiting that.
And that seems to be the next step.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a scary one.
The climate thing's a scary one.
Because they're using it just like they use everything else.
And you have to be a good person, so you want to support climate change.
You want to support the measures.
You want to do your part.
tim dillon
You don't want to be a psychopath.
joe rogan
We've got to kill these cows.
They're making methane.
tim dillon
These people are bad people, you know, that are doing these things like leaving their home.
They're sick.
Do you want to be sick?
So that's inevitably, I think, what happens is all of these, because all of these things are, it's a crisis that's not, this is not organic.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
It's not organic that all of these cities are being bought up.
None of this was inevitable.
All of this could have been stopped.
And it is right now not being stopped.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Average income, $62,000.
Average house, $900,000.
And the response to that is...
joe rogan
And then what happens when automation takes over 80% of the jobs?
tim dillon
Then they got to do the world war.
Then they got to get rid of everybody.
Or a lot of people.
joe rogan
Do you think when automation takes over, there's some sort of a massive decrease in population?
Do you think they provide universal basic income?
What do you think they do?
tim dillon
I don't know what they do.
I think that...
It seems like right now they're preparing for a world war.
That genuinely, if you were to zoom out and read the news dispassionately, like without wanting any answer to come float to the surface, it seems like they are preparing for a world war.
Every article is like, conflict with China inevitable within five years.
Say, many generals.
Every article.
Every Pentagon leak is, U.S. readiness needs to be within five years.
A conflict is inevitable, you know?
The draft, you know?
Military Times, we should bring the draft back.
Like, you know, Europe, the future of Europe is in doubt.
joe rogan
So the Military Times said that?
tim dillon
Yeah.
Certainly, recently they had a...
There's an article arguing, I believe, for the return of Selective Service, for the draft.
And it's definitely something that it's being talked about.
You know, Germany talked about it recently because of the Ukraine-Russia thing.
And there's this idea now that, yeah...
joe rogan
Lawmakers move to automate Selective Service registration for all men.
A new plan from the House lawmakers would automatically register men for potential military draft when they hit 18, avoiding potential legal consequences connected to failing to file the paperwork at the proper time.
Jesus Christ.
Mandate automatic registration of all males between 18 and 26 living in America in the Selective Service System, a federal database used for a military draft in case of national emergency.
tim dillon
Huh!
unidentified
Huh!
joe rogan
What would that be?
jamie vernon
Gets fun with the male part.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
What about trans men?
Trans men are men.
tim dillon
What about them?
joe rogan
Trans men are men.
tim dillon
Get them in.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
It's time to be men now.
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
Let's go.
tim dillon
So it does seem like they're preparing for something.
unidentified
Fuck.
tim dillon
And it does seem like it's weird.
It's weird.
There's a weirdness in the air.
joe rogan
100%.
tim dillon
There's a weirdness in the air.
joe rogan
Yeah.
This is late stage civilization vibes.
tim dillon
For sure.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
We've got late stage civilization vibes, no matter how we slice it.
We might make it through this.
We might look back at this.
tim dillon
I hope we do.
joe rogan
Tim and Joe were so crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're making a big deal out of it.
Nothing happened.
Or this could be one of those things that people play if you can find a power source.
I saved it on my phone.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Let's watch.
They were talking about it.
tim dillon
Well, it's also like what scares me more than anything is the people who aren't feeling this way.
joe rogan
Did you see what they did where they gave Starlink internet to Miss Tribe and the Amazon and they all started jerking off?
tim dillon
I talked about it on my show this week.
They're addicted to porn and social media.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Instantly.
tim dillon
Overnight.
joe rogan
The elders, tribe elders are freaking out.
tim dillon
They're losing control.
joe rogan
Yeah, they thought it was going to be great at first, but now everyone's lazy.
No one wants to work.
They're all just flipping through their phones all day.
They're in the jungle, and they're going through their phones.
tim dillon
Sure, because at first it's great to look at a picture of a flower.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
And then three days later, it's like there's guys watching women get choked and kicked and whatever, and now they're losing control.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're on TikTok all day.
tim dillon
And that's why it's so important that the tech people all be on the same page, for the most part, because that's the way you lose control the quickest.
And it seems to be very important and somewhat engineered.
Maybe not top-down, but somewhat coincidental that 90% of the tech people are all on the same page about most things.
joe rogan
Those are the type of people, though.
They're all ideologically captured.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
It's all the left.
The tech is all the left.
tim dillon
There's some libertarians, but very few.
joe rogan
Very few.
And those are the rebels.
To have those people in charge of everything is just so weird.
tim dillon
But it was weird because we had Republicans and Democratic bankers for a long time, and no one really cared.
But there's something with the tech people where it's like, we can't...
It seems like...
They don't want to let There be any diversity in thought with that group because the levers they hold are too consequential.
joe rogan
But they were that way before the levers were consequential.
tim dillon
Sure.
joe rogan
Except for Microsoft, right?
If you think about Microsoft, they were like liberal, but not financially.
Like they were very, very shrewd financially.
tim dillon
They're all liberal if you can be liberal and have a $25 million house in Atherton, California.
If that's part of it, and I think that's part of the way we've designed liberal in America, then...
joe rogan
Well, they're just so removed.
They're very removed from the consequences of what they're interested in.
tim dillon
And when you talk to them, you do get the feeling that they fully believe, and for good reason, that they control the country now.
joe rogan
Yeah, and they think they should.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
Because they're the smart ones, and they're on the right side.
tim dillon
That's correct.
joe rogan
And we have to do everything we can.
And so when they complied with the government, when they eliminated things from social media that were problematic to the narrative, whether it was on YouTube or Twitter or whatever they did, they thought they were doing the right thing and that they should be doing this because these people are stupid.
tim dillon
I think everyone thinks they're doing the right thing.
And I think the thing that surprises me the most is how...
A lot of those people, those positions of power aren't cynical.
You really would like them to just go, yeah, it's all bullshit.
We're doing what we have to do.
You'd almost rather that, but they truly believe.
joe rogan
They believe.
They believe in what they're saying.
They really do.
tim dillon
They do.
And I think that's if you're a deep cover CIA agent, you believe.
I think if you're high up in the military, you believe.
joe rogan
I think if you're in the tech Industry you believe I think no matter where you are you believe because so much of your identity becomes Dependent on that yes for sure yeah also like I experienced that when I was working on a television show when people used to try to tell me you know oh the government is Programming it and they're programming these shows to make these shows so that we're stupid right people who believe that I'm like you don't understand the people making these shows like these shows and watch these shows they try to make these shows and There's
no one telling them to make these shows this way, other than the people that are saying, this would make us money.
Right.
That's all they're doing?
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
You've got this idea that fear factor is designed to make people stupid.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
No, everybody had a good time.
The people making it had a good time.
That's right.
The people making it watch those shows.
They're like, have you seen Survivor?
They're all watching them.
They're all in the culture.
tim dillon
Every time Sam Smith, you know, or somebody dresses up like a devil or tries to do something edgy, everyone talks about, well, this is like this engineered thing.
And I'm like, listen, a lot of it is people are trying to get attention.
joe rogan
A hundred percent.
tim dillon
It's what they're trying to do.
joe rogan
Especially Sam Smith.
tim dillon
Right.
And you can't be...
And I talked about it when people were really enraged about it.
And I'm like, if you are going to be a non-binary, I'm different, I'm going to sell sex, you can't look like my uncle.
And that's what Sam Smith looked.
And they were like, well, no, he's a Satanist.
I go, if Satan saw him and said, that's who's my representative on earth, Sam Smith looks like my uncle at Halloween party, who's drunk.
That's what he looked like.
He does.
He really does.
He looks like a guy like me or somebody I would have grown up with.
He doesn't look like a rock star at all.
No.
So he doesn't have that Bowie thing.
He doesn't have that sexy thing.
I think it's far less they're putting messages into corrupt people.
I think maybe there's people that certainly do that.
I think overall it's that...
People are lazy and want attention.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
And it's a lot easier to get attention that way than to keep being good at something.
joe rogan
Dressing up like the devil is one of the best ways to get attention.
tim dillon
That's right.
It's one of the oldest ways.
joe rogan
Do you remember the outrage for the Lil Nas X video?
Of course.
Where he gave Satan a lap dance?
tim dillon
Yes.
He had the blood.
And again, I'm not saying it's great for a five-year-old, but it's like, focus more on the houses being a million bucks Focus more on all that stuff because that's the stuff I think that in the long term...
joe rogan
Focus more on the potential draft.
tim dillon
Focus more on the potential draft.
In the long term, that's what seems to matter.
joe rogan
Yeah, but nobody is...
People are just so easily distracted by a good Drake and Kendrick Lamar beef.
tim dillon
Sure.
joe rogan
It's so exciting to have all these things happening all the time.
tim dillon
It's fun.
It's fun.
joe rogan
It's just a weird fucking time that doesn't seem like it has any...
There's no patterns that I could see from the past, because everything's so accelerated by technology.
You could look at the chaos in the 1960s.
I know they threw water on that in the 70s.
In the 80s, it was all cocaine.
In the 90s, it took until the 2000, the internet comes around, for people to start exploring some of the ideas that people were really connected to in the 60s.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
But now here we are, no roadmap.
No roadmap and everything is fucking chaotic.
tim dillon
Everything's chaotic.
But also maybe we'll get like a nice abatement.
Like maybe, for whatever reason, It doesn't go in the direction that it seems like it's going.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
And that it has like a dead cat bounce.
You know what I mean?
We're like, you know, you get 20 or 30 years out of this place or more.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
Because you don't want a war and you don't want nukes to fly and you don't want all this stuff happening.
joe rogan
No.
And you're doing all this while they can AI operate weapons now.
tim dillon
Yes.
joe rogan
Including jets.
Fighter jets that are using AI. We have drones now that are insanely...
And we probably have UFOs.
tim dillon
Sure.
joe rogan
I think a good percentage of that shit these people are seeing.
tim dillon
When can you charter a UFO? That'll be fun.
joe rogan
Soon.
tim dillon
You can charter a private jet.
joe rogan
You should be able to charter a UFO. Yeah.
There's already people that are doing SpaceX flights, right?
tim dillon
Yeah, you can go.
You can leave our flat Earth.
joe rogan
Wow.
You can see the firmosphere or whatever the fuck is.
unidentified
You can see whatever it is.
joe rogan
The firmament.
tim dillon
There should be a flat Earth tour that will take you to space and only show you part of it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They should just give you special glasses where it looks flat.
tim dillon
My friend's mother's a flat earther.
He goes, what does she do?
He goes, how do we help?
I go, I don't know.
joe rogan
One of my friends, Eddie Bravo, thinks earth's flat.
I love him to death.
tim dillon
Yeah, what are you going to do?
joe rogan
He watches too many YouTube videos.
There's quite a few people that think it's flat.
The problem is, it's a biblical thing.
A lot of it is based on the depictions of earth and the firmament and all these different things in the Bible.
Which, by the way, was written by people.
This idea that people back then had it all laid out perfectly.
tim dillon
It's not true.
joe rogan
And that the Word of God was translated absolutely perfectly and nobody ever added their own special sauce to the mix like they do with everything.
tim dillon
Yeah, it's crazy.
joe rogan
With everything ever.
tim dillon
No, it's definitely interesting.
And I think seeing the battle between these ancient texts and the most modern technology and seeing how they fuse together is going to make the planet very interesting.
jamie vernon
Sure.
joe rogan
Ancient texts fuse together with YouTube.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
What is this?
Japanese billionaire pulls plug on private dear moon lunar starship mission.
Huh.
Why?
jamie vernon
I don't know about this.
This just got announced this week.
joe rogan
Well, how much money would it cost?
I mean, you could go to the moon?
Is that what the idea was?
jamie vernon
Yeah, they remember like Steve Aoki was gonna be on this.
joe rogan
Oh, I was trying to tell Steve, don't do that.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's this plan.
tim dillon
Can't we go to the moon?
joe rogan
No.
No one's ever been, so how can we go?
tim dillon
Well, there's got to be first person.
joe rogan
Do you think people went to the moon?
tim dillon
I have no idea.
joe rogan
I had Bart Sabrell on the podcast.
tim dillon
And do you think they did?
joe rogan
Do you know who he is?
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Of course you do.
You're deep in the conspiracy world.
tim dillon
Well, I'm deep in the truth.
joe rogan
That guy's been on that forever.
I had dinner with him like 20 years ago.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
At least.
Yeah.
Somewhere around 20 years ago, I met with him in an Italian restaurant in Beverly Hills.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he was just laying out his case.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why the moon landing was fake.
tim dillon
I mean, dude, there was a book called Penetration by this guy Ignacio Swan, who's one of these remote viewing guys.
And that's what got me into that stuff.
Like, some of that more stuff.
He wrote this book, and it was about remote viewing and how, like, the government was using remote viewing.
joe rogan
They definitely were trying to use it.
tim dillon
They were trying to use it, and whether they succeeded or not, but...
You know, I don't know.
I mean, I don't know.
Is it pretty accepted that we didn't go to the moon?
joe rogan
No.
unidentified
No.
tim dillon
I mean, it's controversial still.
joe rogan
It's amongst conspiracy theorists.
Amongst those folks, yeah.
None of those folks think we went to the moon.
They think it was all horseshit.
Some people think we went to the moon, but we faked the footage.
Right.
That's so us, by the way.
Because there's radiation of space.
tim dillon
That's so us.
Such an us thing to do, to do it, and then actually go, fuck it, we've got to film something.
joe rogan
There's also, like, there is precedent that they did use certain photos that were from, obviously, from training missions.
Right.
And then they blacked out the background and tried to pretend these are photos of spacewalks.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Because if someone's like doing a spacewalk, like there's one of, what's his name?
Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, who's the other guy?
Michael Collins.
There's Michael Collins in the Gemini 15. And what they did was, but this could be overzealous PR people that are doing this, right?
Sure.
They took a photograph of a mission where he was in a training mission and he's suspended by cables and they're teaching him how to use the spacewalk stuff.
And then they reversed the image and blacked it out, blacked out the background.
See if you can find that.
tim dillon
So those types of things give people an indication that there's a problem.
joe rogan
Well, they give you an indication that there's a pattern of deception.
tim dillon
They're willing to lie.
joe rogan
That they're willing to at least fuck with the truth for publicity purposes because they want good photographs of something.
tim dillon
Is there ever been like a NASA whistleblower?
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm sure.
So that's it.
So they took the photo on the left and then they just reversed it to the photo on the right and blacked out the screen.
So the one on the left, obviously, they're in a training mission.
The one on the right, they're pretending it's space, which is pretty wild.
I mean, really pretty fucking wild that they did that.
tim dillon
That is wild.
joe rogan
It's wild.
tim dillon
You know, Boeing, more whistleblowers came out.
joe rogan
More, yeah.
tim dillon
There's like 11 now.
There's two more whistleblowers.
joe rogan
Well, two of them were murdered, right?
tim dillon
Well, yeah, but I love Boeing.
joe rogan
Do you think they were murdered?
Or did they commit suicide?
What happened to those folks?
tim dillon
I think they were murdered.
joe rogan
What's the story?
It was the official story about the two Boeing whistleblowers who got whacked.
tim dillon
Boeing's a national security company.
It's an American defense contractor.
You're working for Boeing, you're working for the government.
You come out and whistleblow?
How did the fucking FBI like that?
They'll get rid of you, too, if you start in...
Whistleblowing.
joe rogan
What's the official cause of death for the two folks?
tim dillon
I don't know.
The guy was sitting in his car.
He shot himself.
jamie vernon
One was suicide.
tim dillon
One was suicide because he was sad.
joe rogan
I would be sad too if I disparaged a great company like Boeing.
tim dillon
I love Boeing.
joe rogan
I've always loved Boeing.
He probably realized, what have I done to disparage this great company?
tim dillon
He probably sucked as a guy.
No, whistleblowers aren't fun.
unidentified
Right.
tim dillon
There's never been a whistleblower that's fun.
joe rogan
Maybe he was a fake whistleblower and he knew the house of cards was coming down, no pun intended.
tim dillon
You probably went out with him and he always talked about how unsafe these planes were and you're like, dude, shut up.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
Shut up.
I'd fly all the time.
A lot of people do.
joe rogan
He's basically like a flat earther.
tim dillon
Yeah, right.
I don't want to know how bad the planes are.
Let them crash.
Let one of them crash.
Here's the deal.
No one's going to fix it, so just don't bother me.
joe rogan
Fifty Boeing whistleblowers still want to talk safety fears despite two informants dying after speaking out.
tim dillon
They'll kill 50 of them, too.
Don't think they won't.
joe rogan
50 people can commit suicide if they're wrong.
tim dillon
50 people can absolutely commit suicide.
joe rogan
Especially if they're disparaging a great company like Boeing.
What does it say here?
John Barnett, 62, a quality control engineer, had just begun testimony in a lawsuit against Boeing in March when he was found in his truck at a South Carolina motel with a fatal self-inflicted gunshot wound.
Yeah, that's a little fishy.
Joshua Dean, 45, died unexpectedly in early May.
The quality auditor at Spirit Aerosystems, one of Boeing's biggest suppliers, passed away in the hospital following the onset of a fast-moving infection.
Yeah, they can do that to you.
tim dillon
Sure.
joe rogan
They can do that to you.
They can give you an infection.
And they certainly can shoot you in the head.
tim dillon
They can do all of that.
joe rogan
Yeah, they can definitely shoot you in the head.
tim dillon
And their attitude is like, hey, you know, can you not fuck up our thing?
joe rogan
Yeah, we're trying to fix it.
We don't need you whistleblowing.
tim dillon
We're trying to fix it.
You're not helping.
unidentified
Yeah, what are you doing?
joe rogan
You're killing yourself?
You want attention.
James Lindsay has a very interesting take on this.
He thinks that China...
They own a competitor to the Boeing planes.
I think the strategy is to destabilize Boeing and have the Chinese planes take over.
tim dillon
So they're killing the whistleblowers?
joe rogan
No, there's some sort of a push to get this Chinese jet company to get their products.
They're more safe.
They're better.
Let's just take those.
tim dillon
Maybe, but Boeing is so deeply enmeshed in the national security apparatus, I can't see that ever happening.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
There's no way that we...
joe rogan
But if you wanted to do something like that, how would you do it?
You would fuck with the safety protocols.
tim dillon
I mean, we do depend on too much for national security.
We do depend on too many things from China.
Already.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Medicine.
tim dillon
Like, all of that.
Like, not only medicine, but, like, chips.
You know, what's that thing?
unidentified
What do they do?
tim dillon
Is it reactors?
Or what do they buy?
What do they...
What do we...
They basically said, we're not selling you these anymore.
joe rogan
Well, they're in charge of so many of the mines.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
You know, so many of the mines in the Congo are being run by China.
tim dillon
So I don't know if we'd be so...
Stupid to just start buying all their stuff, but maybe.
joe rogan
Hmm.
tim dillon
It's a possibility.
joe rogan
China's homegrown 737 competitor has to wait a while to fill the vacuum left by Boeing.
Europe says the C-O-M-A Comac.
tim dillon
C-19.
joe rogan
C-19 is too new to approve by 2026. So they have their own version.
So if they're playing a long game, what better way to destabilize the competitor than just, listen, we need to save money.
Let's cut back on some of these safety inspectors and have the mechanics do their own safety inspection.
unidentified
Absolutely.
joe rogan
We're done.
We're good.
If you just put that little piece in place, if you just did that, and you just take into account people's laziness and how people suck at their job already, and then there's no oversight for the mechanics.
What's the possibility that mistakes are going to be made?
A hundred percent.
tim dillon
Yeah.
Well, corporate espionage is probably one of their strongest talents and one of the things they've excelled at.
joe rogan
Imagine if that's how they do it, though.
Yeah.
If Lindsay's right.
When he said that to me, I was like, Jesus Christ.
tim dillon
He might be right.
He might be right.
I just don't want to sit in a plane and be fucking nervous.
Oh, yeah.
For no reason.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you don't have to ask.
tim dillon
I want the Boeing people to shut their fucking mouths, let this thing go down the runway, let me feel like it's okay, and if it happens, it happens.
joe rogan
You know what the ultimate conspiracy theory is?
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
That Trump has a Boeing plane, and that's why they're doing this.
unidentified
Whoa!
joe rogan
I gotcha with that one.
tim dillon
That's something wild.
joe rogan
That one got you excited.
tim dillon
That is interesting.
Imagine that.
joe rogan
Imagine that.
tim dillon
Imagine that's what they did.
joe rogan
What happens if he dies?
tim dillon
Imagine that.
I don't know.
joe rogan
How crazy is it going to be if he gets whacked?
tim dillon
I don't know if they're going to do that.
I think they're going to try to go to war with China.
I think they're going to go to war somehow.
I think they're going to...
If...
They are going to do anything.
I think they just fucking try to do something that either delays an election or makes an election harder to have or something.
I don't know.
But if they were going to do something...
It might be that.
And I don't know.
And they may do nothing.
They may just have a fair election.
I don't know.
joe rogan
But this is the question.
This is what we were talking about earlier.
They're willing to deceive us with the Steele dossier.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
They're willing to deceive us with what they did with Bernie.
tim dillon
Yes.
joe rogan
What they did with RFK Jr. in the primary.
If they're willing to do all that, why would we think that they wouldn't fuck with the election?
Like, this is the one thing that they wouldn't fuck with.
And then if you question it at all, especially Trump, because nobody really cared when everybody else questioned the elections.
Nobody cared when Hillary went around forever questioning the elections.
Nobody cared.
tim dillon
Everybody has questioned elections in this country for a very long time.
joe rogan
Standard move.
tim dillon
Bush v.
unidentified
Gore.
tim dillon
Remember the court case?
joe rogan
Yes.
tim dillon
It's kind of a standard move.
joe rogan
Standard move.
tim dillon
It's been getting more and more malevolent in the sense that after Trump won, it was a whole thing with Russia.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
And then, I don't know, I haven't looked at any specific evidence for the fuckery, but I think there's probably fuckery all over the place.
There's probably fuckery in every election.
joe rogan
There's gotta be some.
It's not zero.
The amount of election fraud isn't zero.
tim dillon
This one, they have to do something big.
This one will have to be, if something's gonna happen, it's probably gonna have to be something big.
They're gonna have to wag the dog on such a, you know, in such a way that America's like, whoa.
And they're already, there's some articles coming out being like, you know, could a foreign government perhaps take advantage of, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
So who knows what they're playing?
I just know that They don't want him in in a way that I've never seen.
joe rogan
Never.
It's never been more transparent.
tim dillon
It's never been more transparent how much they do not want him in.
And I'm not even saying that you can't criticize him or you have to love him or anything.
I'm just speaking simply, again, from looking at The measures taken since he announced a candidacy.
joe rogan
And here's what's really crazy.
I think they thought they did enough propaganda-wise before 2016 for him to lose.
tim dillon
Yes.
joe rogan
So when you watch all the news reports and all their coverage, it was like 90% Hillary was going to win.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
And then as the night went on, everybody was like, holy shit, he won.
So they went through the egg on their face.
They went through all that.
They're not going to let that happen again.
And now...
He's an overwhelming favorite.
tim dillon
Yes.
joe rogan
Like, he's a favorite.
If the election happened now and the election was fair, he would win.
Right?
tim dillon
Yes.
joe rogan
Like, he's several points ahead of Biden, right?
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
What's the latest polls?
Because he went up in the polls after the conviction.
tim dillon
Which was such a mistake for them to try to do that because he raised $40 million, something like that.
joe rogan
No, it's way more than that now.
tim dillon
Maybe more.
joe rogan
I think it's like $100 million.
tim dillon
It crashed his campaign website.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
What is that poll?
How do they, like, question everybody real quick?
Like, when some news breaks?
Like, what do you think now?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Who are they questioning?
jamie vernon
At 6 p.m., how do they get a new update?
joe rogan
Well, I always say this.
They're only getting results from people dumb enough to answer polls.
So that, by the way, is a skewed response.
For sure.
Polls in today's day and age...
There's no reason to answer them.
Why are you doing that?
tim dillon
But there's also a social stigma to saying Trump.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
tim dillon
So I think that you have to weigh the numbers like that.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
So there is a little bit of a social stigma to saying Trump.
Or certainly there was.
Maybe it's going away, but there was.
So you might want to weight the poll.
To that as well.
joe rogan
That's 100% true.
tim dillon
And go, there's a certain percentage of people that are lying and saying Biden who aren't going to vote for Biden.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
So a close race might really mean that Trump is up a few percentage points.
joe rogan
I think he's up a few percentage points already.
I think he was up like six points.
tim dillon
And I think I've talked to a lot of hardcore leftists that are like really resigned to him winning and don't care.
Because they say- Maybe it'll be better for the economy.
Well, they said, we did not vote for Biden to go to war with Russia through Ukraine.
joe rogan
We didn't vote for- Jack up inflation.
tim dillon
Jack up inflation.
We didn't vote for an unending commitment to whatever Israel wants to do in Gaza.
We didn't vote for house prices being higher than they've ever been, interest rates being higher than they've ever been.
We didn't vote for any of that.
He's done a lot for the environment, Biden, supposedly.
But also a lot of people didn't vote for all the taxes that come along with that.
joe rogan
What is the new one they're doing?
They're going after the guy from the Epoch Times.
tim dillon
For embezzlement or something?
joe rogan
Epoch Times is hardcore, right-wing side.
Which is hilarious.
Epoch Times is hilarious.
That is funny.
This is the end.
tim dillon
Welcome to the end.
joe rogan
Money laundering.
Charges.
Alleged $67 million global money laundering scheme.
So what's...
See, this is the headline, right?
What's the actual story?
What's a good place to go?
Probably AP is probably the more balanced...
Go to AP, just for the fuck of it.
All right.
What will become of the Epoch Times as chief financial officer accused of money laundering?
Okay.
What is the accusation?
What is Epoch Times?
Do-do-do-do-do.
Federal prosecutors in New York charged...
Boy, say that dude's name.
Weidong Guan of Seacaucus, New Jersey, chief financial officer of the Epoch Times of steering at least $67 million in criminal proceeds, much from fraudulently obtained unemployment insurance benefits to the company.
It's affiliates and himself.
Guan pleaded not guilty, but was suspended by the Epoch Times, which agreed to cooperate with prosecutors.
The case falls into question the future of a company that was a key online supporter of Trump and a spreader of conspiracy theories.
Hmm.
So what is the $67 million of unemployment?
That's what it's saying?
How did they do it?
How'd they do that?
This is all just like, what does it mean for the Epoch Times?
unidentified
But what is like, how did he do it?
joe rogan
They don't say what they're accusing him of?
jamie vernon
I think that was, I mean...
joe rogan
Accusing him of stealing money.
tim dillon
Stealing money.
Laundering money, I guess, and that's...
joe rogan
You would think.
A top executive at Epoch.
So he's just a guy that worked there.
A right-wing media company has been arrested and charged with laundering at least $67 million.
So he might have actually done it.
And they might just, I mean, they're not trying to close the company, right?
He's just the chief financial officer.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
Right?
So he might have actually done it.
I don't know.
Chief financial officer was arrested Monday in the indictment, headed up on May 23rd, was unsealed.
He entered a plea of not guilty as a lawyer, a federal public defender.
Why does he have a public defender?
tim dillon
I guess he lost all his money.
joe rogan
Is that?
tim dillon
That seems crazy.
joe rogan
Is that how it works?
That seems odd.
That seems crazy.
Decline to comment.
If convicted, Mr. Guan faces a maximum sentence of 20 years for the money laundering charge and 30 years for each bank fraud.
Oh, jeez.
He's fucked.
Epoch Times is affiliated with Falun Gong, a spiritual movement banned in China, and was for years an obscure free print newspaper dedicated largely to criticizing the Chinese Communist Party.
In recent years, the outlet transformed itself into a prominent supporter of Donald J. Trump and his allies on the right.
Oh, they're probably grifting.
They're trying to make a couple of bucks.
It's a grifty company.
According to prosecutors, Mr. Guan ran a sprawling transnational scheme over four years to buy prepaid debit cards on the Internet at a discount using cryptocurrency and then deposit the card's money into both personal and company accounts.
The debit cards were loaded with illegally obtained funds, prosecutors said, some of which was fraudulently obtained unemployment insurance benefits.
Oh, wow.
This seems deep.
But hold, please, because if you're fucking the type of dude who has a website that's basically dedicated to criticizing the Chinese Communist Party, and then all of a sudden you flip and become a pro-Trump supporter, that sounds to me like one of those fucking Facebook pages that Russia takes over.
Yes.
They used to have a memes page.
tim dillon
And then it's a Black Lives Matter page, and then it becomes a trans rights page.
joe rogan
There's a ton of those folks out there grifting.
If one of those guys was also involved in an illegal laundering scheme, yeah, that seems like...
tim dillon
Go and sow some chaos.
joe rogan
That's probably what they do.
tim dillon
Go sow some chaos.
It's a great job.
I'd like to do it in China for us.
I mean, if they're hiring these, why can't America, let's get an army of lunatics, people like me, send me into China, I'll start a problem.
They'd kill me quickly.
joe rogan
Yeah, you couldn't do it there.
tim dillon
That's why we lacked the advantages, because you could come here and really start some shit.
joe rogan
Do you think that our government is doing that here, too?
tim dillon
I think elements of it probably are for sure.
joe rogan
They have to be.
tim dillon
They have to be.
joe rogan
They must be.
If China is doing that, and we know that Russia is doing that, we know that they're doing that.
tim dillon
Well, then what would Navalny have been?
Let's think about this, right?
Now, Navalny might be.
He might be.
A great Russian patriot who was disgusted with Vladimir Putin.
I do know he started his career with very different views than the views he began espousing after.
He seems like a guy that the CIA has a conversation with and then becomes a prominent...
I'm not saying that it's possible.
We're doing things like that, probably.
And then they're doing things to us where they're like, making my aunt kind of more racist.
They're starting with a pretty racist person, but they're twisting her and they're getting her more racist.
joe rogan
With memes?
tim dillon
With memes and with all kinds of crap.
joe rogan
Things they share that might not even be true.
tim dillon
Yeah, she's like a long island.
Because these Long Island boomers now, they're just throwing stuff at them and they're just catching it with their teeth like a dog.
joe rogan
They share it to their aunt on Facebook.
tim dillon
And they just share it and they don't know what's going on.
And they're just kind of like, it's all, you know, it's all not my mom's, my friend's mother thinks McDonald's is serving human meat.
So that's where we are.
A certain percentage of the population is schizophrenic because they can't handle all the stuff we talked about here.
It's hard for people to realize how corrupt things are, but how they've always been.
So if you learn all of this in an hour, your mind melts.
And then you start going, is Chrissy Teigen a vampire?
Because it's like up is down and black is white.
joe rogan
It's too much information.
tim dillon
It's too much information.
But if you know about JFK or RFK or Martin Luther King or Quintelper or anything, you have the context to put a lot of this stuff in.
So you're not like, oh, your mind doesn't melt immediately.
unidentified
Right.
tim dillon
It melts slowly.
joe rogan
Real slow.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you just can keep people fighting about everything and everything being something that they have to uncover and all this chaos, you can get a lot done behind the scenes.
tim dillon
You need to.
You have to have people completely scattered, have no...
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't have people calm and everybody fine and paying attention to what you're doing.
tim dillon
And then you got to bless it.
You got to go every now and then you got to go, you know, and then there's like an NFT party.
Everybody has like a time where the crypto is killing it and everybody gets a little money and then they go, okay, well, we got to clamp down on this.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
And then the internet's free and they're like, man, let's clamp down on this.
And it's just they oscillate between clamping down on things and then letting people run with them for a little bit.
joe rogan
God damn it.
tim dillon
It's a delicate balance.
joe rogan
Can you imagine being in charge of chaos?
Do you think there's a guy that runs a chaos department in the deep state?
tim dillon
Well, I think there's many guys that do.
And ladies.
Let's not forget them.
joe rogan
What is their view of the world?
If they're the ones that are instigating all this chaos...
And they're the ones that are fueling it online.
If they're working to actively do that and comment on things on Twitter and get things crazy, what is their view of the world?
They must be so cynical.
tim dillon
I think the only view those people have ever had is the alternative is worse.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
I think that's the only view they've had.
I think when they were doing MKUltra on people, I think they were going, the alternative is worse.
It's worse.
And you can justify a lot of things.
When they were carpet bombing Vietnam, it's the alternative is worse.
I think that's kind of the only view that those guys can have in that echelon of the national security apparatus.
They can't, I don't think they're analyzing it too much outside of that.
joe rogan
Right.
Jesus Christ.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
This does not leave me feeling good, Tim.
I was hoping to be more...
tim dillon
Well, we're going to tell jokes.
joe rogan
Tonight.
Tonight should be fun.
tim dillon
It's fun to tell jokes.
joe rogan
Are you splitting your time?
You're all over the place now?
tim dillon
I'm all over the place.
I spend most of my time in the French protectorate in Monaco, where I find honest people.
And I mean...
It's so good to have honest people around you.
I'm very susceptible to environments.
There's a lot of people that live on boats over there.
No, no, no.
I'm all over the place.
Me and Sam Talent were just in Europe for like three weeks.
It was amazing.
I'm here.
joe rogan
Sam was just here.
tim dillon
I'm going to spend a lot of time here, I think, in the summer and fall because now I'm off the road.
So it's like, I'm going to be here.
I'll be popping into LA a little bit.
joe rogan
Nice.
tim dillon
I'll be around.
We're doing something cool with Netflix.
We can't say it.
It's not a stand-up special.
It's something cool.
It's like an election-type special thing.
joe rogan
Oh, that's exciting.
tim dillon
Yeah.
It'll be fun, and I'm excited about that.
It's just fun to do fun stuff, and who knows?
We don't know.
joe rogan
It's fun.
unidentified
It could all work out.
joe rogan
It could all work out.
It probably will all work out.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
I mean, you can look back on...
There's an Assyrian tablet, I think.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fucking 4,000 years ago or something like that.
I'm pretty sure I saved it.
Where they were talking about the end of the world.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think I saved it.
It's just one of those things.
It's like human beings always have that feeling that it's all falling apart.
They always have that feeling that at a certain point in time, all of our luck's going to run out.
And it has.
That's the other thing.
That's the other thing.
tim dillon
It is a great Eddie Pepperton joke where he goes, you know, every generation thinks theirs is the one where the world ends.
He goes, but we are right.
joe rogan
Here it is.
Assyrian clay tablet, dating to around 2800 BC, bears the inscription, our earth is degenerative in these later days.
There are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end.
Bribery and corruption are common.
Children no longer obey their parents.
Every man wants to write a book and the...
What happened?
But I had it right there.
And the end of the world is evidently approaching.
That's amazing.
That is amazing.
So this is a good way to end this.
That's right.
To just explain to people.
This fear that we have had is just, we are in a constant state of change and a constant battle of truth and propaganda, and it's always been that way.
And that this tablet from...
4,800 years ago.
tim dillon
And it'll always be that way.
joe rogan
It's always gonna be that way.
tim dillon
It's always gonna be that way.
joe rogan
We're monkeys.
We're crazy monkeys.
tim dillon
So find something fun out there to do.
joe rogan
Yeah, like come to the mothership if you can.
tim dillon
And come to the mothership.
And not this weekend.
It's sold out.
joe rogan
Are you here this weekend?
tim dillon
I'm here this weekend.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
tim dillon
I'm here this weekend.
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Nice.
tim dillon
I'm here, baby.
unidentified
I'm in.
joe rogan
Well, that's exciting.
tim dillon
So, we're going to do Falun Gong.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Chinese spiritual warfare.
If you like Chinese spiritual warfare...
These shows will be for you.
joe rogan
The text messages I'm going to be sending you in the future are going to be green.
tim dillon
Oh, you're going to...
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm trying to switch over.
tim dillon
You're going to Android?
joe rogan
I'm going to see what happens.
I don't like being trapped.
I felt like I was trapped.
I got anxiety about switching.
tim dillon
I don't like it either.
joe rogan
I got anxiety about switching.
tim dillon
I'm like, how crazy is that?
When that green text message comes in, it's going to be so weird, though.
joe rogan
But it is weird.
I know.
It's weird that we're so trapped in this wonderful Apple bubble.
They do a great job.
Make a great phone.
tim dillon
It's great fun.
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They do a great job.
joe rogan
Everything works great.
It's great.
I love the way you can send videos and airdrop people and FaceTime people.
I love it.
tim dillon
But I also don't like— But you've got to have the new charger all the time.
joe rogan
Well, no, not anymore.
Now it's USB-C. Everything's USB-C. Okay, gotcha.
Because Europe is actually forcing Apple to comply.
tim dillon
All of these—all of these, like— You know, social media sites, or whatever it is, Apple's not social media, but like all these tech companies, they have downsides, and then they have things that are really good.
Facebook had things that were really good, but they also sell maids in the Philippines.
joe rogan
I was watching, there was an Instagram page that was all dedicated to finding people in prison that you could date when they get out.
tim dillon
Thank God!
Thank God.
joe rogan
I was looking at how many people who are just like Captain Save-A-Ho are just at home looking at these people going, when she gets out.
tim dillon
It's a redeemable country.
joe rogan
Meet an inmate.
Lonely inmates in the U.S. seek pen pals.
jamie vernon
I just typed in hot single inmates.
I've seen a few videos of this going around where they're making a singles video.
joe rogan
There's got to be guys and gals that are interested in that.
That's their thing.
They're going to love a prisoner.
They don't have nowhere to stay.
They can stay with me.
jamie vernon
Hot prison pals.
joe rogan
Meet a hot prison pal.
You'll be glad you did!
tim dillon
Well, if you want to meet people that have been in jail, come to one of my shows.
And there's a very good chance.
joe rogan
This weekend is a high likelihood.
tim dillon
You'll meet him.
joe rogan
Yeah, high likelihood.
Alright, let's wrap this bitch up.
tim dillon
You're the best.
joe rogan
Thank you.
You're the best.
Appreciate you.
I'm going to come see you this weekend.
I'm excited.
tim dillon
I hope so.
joe rogan
I want to see your set.
Thank you, buddy.
Tell everybody...
tim dillon
Don't tell me which night.
I'll be nervous.
joe rogan
Okay, I won't.
I'm kidding.
It's just Tim J. Dillon.
tim dillon
It's Tim Dillon Show.
joe rogan
Tim J. Dillon, right?
tim dillon
Yeah, on Instagram.
Tim J. Dillon on Instagram and X and then Tim Dillon Show if you like podcasts where people yell.
joe rogan
It's the best.
You're the best ranter on earth.
Wow, that's very sweet of you.
Your show, you by yourself talking about things is one of the great joys in life.
tim dillon
Thank you so much.
joe rogan
My pleasure.
tim dillon
Thank you, brother.
joe rogan
Bye, everybody.
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