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June 5, 2024 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #2161 - Tony Hinchcliffe
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unidentified
I got to talk some shit.
joe rogan
You're killing it, man.
It's exciting.
It's an exciting time for you.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I hope you're enjoying it.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, I'm having a blast.
joe rogan
Is it weird?
Does it feel weird?
tony hinchcliffe
Kind of, because I wasn't expecting a big moment or a different boom, a different outside thing, because I'm just content here, chilling.
I had my Kill Tony stuff and all of our stuff.
But yeah, it's awesome.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's so interesting to watch.
It was funny that Bryan Simpson said that he's with you at the store, and he said, he goes, I watched Tony Hinchcliffe become real famous in real time.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, you could see, like, with the first show, when you're warming up, getting ready for the roast, then after the roast.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
People just going crazy.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
It was weird.
I got bumped by another comedian my first night at the store, and then I was the special guest, super treat, the rest of the week.
Like, it was like I was the secret...
Weapon, kind of, so I was unbumpable.
joe rogan
We should be bumped anyway.
Bumping is horseshit.
Bumping is a thing that was around the store back in the old days and they should have got rid of it a long time ago.
You know, it's one thing if like some superstar Dave Chappelle type Chris Rock character wants to pop in, Louis CK's in town, and they want to do 15 minutes, you know, that's all great.
But what used to happen at the store is you would get these comedians that were just doing it for an ego flex.
They were just doing it because they wanted to be able to bump other folks on the roster and then they would do like a fucking 45-minute set and ruin the timeline of the show.
Everybody's supposed to do 15 minutes.
There's like fucking 16 people on the show.
It's a long-ass show.
How many people are on?
16. Is it 16?
tony hinchcliffe
I don't know if it still is.
It might be 14 or 12 or something.
It's a lot of fucking people, dude.
joe rogan
It's crazy that some people will sit there from show open.
They will sit there from 8pm and they will be there till 2am.
I've seen it.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh yeah, I've seen it many a times.
joe rogan
Some people are just like, especially those tourists.
Comedy tourists.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
They'd come there from Australia and Ireland and shit.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, they don't want to miss anything.
joe rogan
We're getting a lot of those at the mothership, man.
There's a lot of people from other countries that are telling me they're flying in for this.
tony hinchcliffe
All the time.
joe rogan
It's wild.
They come in, they do like a weekend, then they go do Kill Tony, and then they'll do like one of our shows.
It's fucking crazy.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, I always ask now during the commercial break where I get to talk directly to the Kill Tony audience, and I ask, how many of you live in Austin, Texas?
Make some noise.
How many of you flew in just for this?
And it's always a bigger pop.
joe rogan
Isn't that wild?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like the city's become like a vacation destination for stand-up.
tony hinchcliffe
For the arts, I think.
I think you can come here and listen to live music, the best, and live comedy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
And get to see a lot of fucking freaks.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's just fucking, what a time we're in, man.
Boy, did we get lucky.
I mean, we just keep getting lucky, dude.
tony hinchcliffe
Having Shane here is a death blow to the other cities.
Took him out on his first boat trip on Sunday, and we drank.
joe rogan
Of course, if you were Shane, you're drinking.
Did you drink Bud Lights or did you drink real alcohol?
tony hinchcliffe
I drank whiskey cokes, he drank Bud Lights.
We always fucking meet.
joe rogan
Yeah, that dude can put them away.
Do not fuck around with Shane Gillis.
Do not try to drink with Shane Gillis.
tony hinchcliffe
We had so much fun.
Cracking up, man.
Listening to Drake on the river.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
He's the best.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's so nice having him here.
And it's so nice having Joey here all the time now.
Joey's coming again in a week.
tony hinchcliffe
Unbelievable.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I was just with him in New Jersey.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was so hilarious.
He was so hilarious at the fights.
He was out of his mind.
tony hinchcliffe
That's what I was telling Lewis is like even the few people that we, you know, really want that haven't moved here are coming here all the time.
Like it's a Vegas residency or something like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, Theo was there too at the fights and he's coming in July.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
So we'll do more stuff with him too.
Yeah, it's just we're lucky as shit, dude.
I mean, I say it all the time, but it's almost like the universe wanted this to happen this way.
It just seems like every light just turned green right when we got up to it.
tony hinchcliffe
Unbelievable.
joe rogan
It didn't make sense.
Like, this isn't gonna work.
Green light.
This isn't gonna work.
Green light.
Hey, this might work.
Green light.
Oh shit, it's happening.
Green light.
It's wild.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
And it's a special fucking place, man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
I love this city with all my heart.
I, you know, I never thought I would leave LA and then when the shit hit the fan and riots and governments and you realize taxes are absolutely insane for what we were getting and I feel more at home here than I ever did there and I was there for almost 20 years.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
But when the plane's landing and you look out the right side and you see downtown Austin instead of downtown LA, it feels more like, oh yeah.
joe rogan
It's a better place for comedy, too, in terms of, like, you don't have the traffic.
It's not a grind.
It's the middle of the country.
So if you want to travel to other cities, it's easy to get to.
The club situation is amazing.
There's so many clubs.
There's Cab City.
There's Creek in the Cave.
There's the Vulcan.
There's the Sunset Strip.
There's the Mothership.
There's what else?
tony hinchcliffe
The Black Rabbit.
joe rogan
Black Rabbit.
They're everywhere.
tony hinchcliffe
Shakespeare's.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
It's crazy.
It's an amazing situation.
Yeah.
And you realize you don't have to live like that.
You don't have to be stuck in this crazy city of insane traffic and crime.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
I can see five comedy clubs from my windows and where I live, and I don't even think anybody in New York has that.
I don't think you can look down and see five comedy clubs from where you're at at any given point.
joe rogan
Look, New York has more clubs and more people.
And New York's awesome.
It's not a contest.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
You know, it's not a contest.
It's like that whole, like, New York is the best.
I don't know.
If you like it, it's the best.
Like, it's whatever's great for you.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
But this is a crazy place right now.
And, you know, LA used to be crazy.
And now LA's just a fucking steaming pile.
It's on fire.
It's just fucked.
Speaking of fire, do you see this guy?
You know what that is?
unidentified
Uh-uh.
joe rogan
In Mexico.
Oh, we need to Google this, too.
Because Mexico has a new president.
And I heard that 30-plus presidential candidates were assassinated.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh.
joe rogan
That might be just a TikTok meme.
So I have to find out.
So let's find out in real time.
But the sky, the reason why the sky is so cloudy looking, that's smoke from wildfires in Mexico.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, they did a controlled burn and they go, whoops.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, boy.
joe rogan
They whoopsied.
Whoops.
37, excuse me.
Claudia Scheinbaum.
Was elected the country's first female president after a bloody election campaign that saw 37 candidates assassinated.
And that's our neighbor.
We live next to a fucking crack house.
tony hinchcliffe
That's on fire.
joe rogan
A crack house on fire run by a Jew.
A lady.
First lady.
More than three dozen candidates were assassinated, including a local government candidate in central Puebla state who was killed on Friday, increasing the total number of those killed to 37. Who the fuck would want to run for office in Mexico?
Dude, that is so crazy.
That is so crazy.
Look how few people.
Look, 20,000 positions to fill and 70,000 candidates.
If you have 20,000 positions in America, how many candidates do you have?
Probably a lot more because nobody's getting assassinated.
That would be one way to start fitting the herd.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
Taking them out.
joe rogan
I mean, how far away?
I mean, sounds crazy, right?
This is Mexico.
It's not America.
How far away are we from, like, seeing another JFK-type situation?
tony hinchcliffe
Man.
I mean, Jesus.
unidentified
Fuck.
tony hinchcliffe
Could be close.
Seems like there's a candidate that the government really doesn't want to.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's this one guy.
What's his name?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
One guy who went to the UFC this weekend and got like a 30-second standing ovation.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
Almost as big as Dave in Ohio, but not quite.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
Not quite.
tony hinchcliffe
They're changing the tone on this.
I mean, like, you know, they're doing it.
They want to try to make him look like a bad guy, but people just aren't stupid anymore.
I mean, there's obviously still, like, half the country doesn't get it, but...
joe rogan
Yo, so many rappers.
So many rappers are showing support for Trump now.
It's crazy.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because now he's got a felony.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
I mean, like, now they realize also he's getting trapped by the system, just like everybody's been rapping about.
Being trapped by the system, this bullshit system.
You watch it happen with him.
tony hinchcliffe
Exactly.
Yeah, I was just talking about this.
I don't think they were counting on the black voter being like, hey, they just fucked that guy.
That's what they do to us.
joe rogan
Yeah.
This is what they do to everybody, and they pretend they're there for you while they're letting in immigrants.
And you know what, man?
Here's the problem.
Here's the real problem.
Republicans won't be the solution either, kids.
The problem is people in a position of power.
The Republicans seem like they are your solution, but it's just because the people in power right now are the Democrats.
Whenever the Democrats are out and the Republicans are in, everybody is dying for a Democrat.
I remember when Bush was president, after the second term, everyone was like, good lord, can we get a fucking reasonable democrat in here before this country goes Christian nationalist and fucking goes crazy and starts every war?
And then Obama comes in like, oh, I think it's going to be great.
But it kind of seems like kind of the same, you know?
And the whistleblower protection that he promised, eh, actually probably like one of the worst whistleblowers ever.
Drone strikes, eh, kind of a shitload of drone strikes.
The whole thing was bonkers.
It's just the same structure with a different face.
It's Bill Hicks' joke.
Bill Hicks' joke about, I think the puppet on the left is to my liking.
Why more align with the puppet on the right?
Hey, there's one guy and he's holding both puppets.
That's what we're dealing with.
We're dealing with money.
We're dealing with money and power.
That's where a person like a Trump character does make a difference, though.
Because he truly does not give a fuck.
And especially now, after all they've done to him, all the things he survived.
This guy was beloved.
Beloved.
Until he was about 70 years old.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that's when he starts running for president.
Actually, he was a little bit mocked before that while Obama was in office because he was one of those people that was a birther.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, he was a...
I'm one of those people that I don't give a fuck where you were born as long as you're not actually an undercover terrorist, you know?
If you're like clearly like a regular person, That just happened to be born in Nigeria or happened to be born in Saudi Arabia, but now you're here.
You went to school here.
You got friends here.
You got family here.
You love it here.
America's the shit.
You can be president.
Like, I don't really think that you have to be born on a certain patch of dirt to run it.
That seems like Viking shit.
That seems like...
That seems so old.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
That seems so dumb.
tony hinchcliffe
What about the 35 thing?
Is that the age?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a good age.
Up until I was 50, I was retarded.
So I don't think that's a bad thing.
I think 35 is good just for humans.
I think you need a certain amount of life experience.
You need a certain amount of...
Trials and tribulations, character testers, a lot of education, a certain amount of like changing your perspective on the world because we all do that.
As a young man, I was very liberal, super, super liberal.
I mean I just – anything the democrats believed, I believed.
Never interested in anything the republicans had to say.
All they wanted to do was like – Shove God down your throat and stop abortions.
tony hinchcliffe
Totally.
That's what I was saying.
I was 100% with you on that.
joe rogan
That's brainwashing too, right?
tony hinchcliffe
I was super liberal until I got my first paycheck in the state of California.
And then everything started changing.
joe rogan
People get rich, they get Republican real quick.
But there's a lot of really rich people that are Democrats, which is interesting.
Because they've got so much money, they can vote Democrat.
They got so much money they don't even try to protect it.
California is considering a 30 cents per gallon tax on the miles, or 30 cents per mile, because so many people have electric cars, so the gas tax is losing money.
And they want everybody to have an electric car by 3035, or 2035. 3035 would actually be realistic.
2035 is crazy.
There's, like, not enough.
We don't have enough stuff.
We can't build all those cars.
Like, what are you gonna do with all the cars that are gassed?
You know how many cars there are?
There's more cars than there are people.
There's more cars here than there are people.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, that makes sense.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, a lot more.
Well, first of all, there's people like me that have a bunch of them.
They throw it off.
You know, that throws off the divorce thing, too.
You know, people say, you know, 60% of all marriages in a divorce.
Right.
But...
A lot of those are people that just get divorced a gang of times.
They go all Jennifer Lopez on the deal.
unidentified
And just like, I'm in forever, fuck you!
joe rogan
You new person, I'm in forever, fuck you!
tony hinchcliffe
She might have another one on her hands.
joe rogan
Yeah, looks like she's going down again.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, Ben, something was up with him at that roast.
joe rogan
He bombed.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh my goodness.
joe rogan
You can't bomb if you're married to Jennifer Lopez.
You can't strike out, you can't bomb, you can't fall when you're walking up a flight of stairs, or no pussy.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
This is just how it works.
You want the Viking queen alpha female?
That's what you get, man.
She's still that way and she's like, what, 51?
tony hinchcliffe
She's crazy hot.
joe rogan
Crazy hot at 51. Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Ben was a deer in headlights.
joe rogan
He hung in there.
tony hinchcliffe
He tried his best.
But, yeah, he stood out on that roast.
joe rogan
Maybe it'll be over.
I mean, maybe their turbulence will get through it this time.
Maybe they don't want to do it again because they were together 20 years ago.
You just got to figure out how to be who you are when you really like each other.
Remember in the beginning?
Isn't that fun?
You appreciated each other?
Figure out how to recapture that because that's still the same person.
People get sick of each other.
You ever get sick of a guy you work with and you quit the job and you're like, I fucking miss that dude.
You know, they become part of your little community.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
That's why I keep working with Red Ben.
joe rogan
I love that dude.
He's a character.
There's only one of those dudes.
You see his new tattoo?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, he showed everybody.
By the end of the night, I was going around going, hey, did you see Red Band's new tattoo?
Did you see Red Band?
Because he was just showing everyone wasted last night.
We had another banger of an episode.
It's a miracle that I'm awake right now.
joe rogan
Who was the guest?
tony hinchcliffe
It was Luis J. Gomez and Sal Volcano.
joe rogan
Oh, nice.
Sal was on the podcast last week.
He's great.
tony hinchcliffe
It was great.
joe rogan
He's a good dude, man.
He's fun.
Real fucking super nice guy.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
The bucket was the story, though.
We got some great new comedians out, a new golden ticket winner as of last night.
joe rogan
I have to see Louis do stand-up.
I haven't seen him in a while.
I heard he's killing it.
I heard he's doing really well.
Duncan saw him at the creek and he said, dude, he was so funny.
He was really laughing hard.
He goes, I was really impressed.
tony hinchcliffe
I'm like, that's great.
I can't remember who was headlining this weekend, but he was doing a clean set because he's doing a special...
joe rogan
It was Mike Vecchione.
tony hinchcliffe
That's right.
And he's doing a clean hour, because I don't know why.
joe rogan
Why is Mike doing a clean hour?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
So he asked Lewis to be clean, and me and Matt were in the green room.
We're like, wait, Lewis is up, and he's supposed to be clean.
Let's see what he's doing.
The first thing we hear is like, nice balls, you shithead, or something like that.
We were dying.
joe rogan
This is not gonna be clean.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
First of all, you shouldn't ask a guy to be clean.
You can't ask a guy to, especially a guy who literally is on a show called Legion of Skanks.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
He has a festival of a year called Skank Fest.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Skank Fest.
You can't ask him to be clean.
Also, Vecchione is so fucking funny.
It don't matter what goes...
Bombs could go off before his set and he'll go up there and kill.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's not going to affect...
People will fall into your rhythm.
They're grown-ups.
But we used to think back in the day that clean people couldn't follow dirty people.
That was always the thought.
I think that's a dumb thought.
Like, Jim Gaffigan can follow anybody.
It does not matter.
He gets into his rhythm, and then he does his thing, and he puts you in his mind, and then you're off to the races.
Like, Brian Regan, same deal.
That whole thing about, like, clean or dirty, like, who fucking cares?
Sebastian, another great example.
Who cares?
Just be funny.
He's just funny.
If Sebastian started talking about getting his dick sucked, it would be funny too.
It's just funny.
tony hinchcliffe
That would be fun.
A dirty Sebastian special?
joe rogan
Yeah.
If Apocalypse breaks out, and there's a few, Sebastian starts doing roids now.
He's got a gun.
Carries a gun on his hip.
If we go full Mad Max.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's happening in Mexico, kids.
37 candidates assassinated.
That is basically the doorway to Mad Max.
tony hinchcliffe
That's crazy.
joe rogan
37 candidates assassinated.
Imagine if that was happening in America!
tony hinchcliffe
Well, what's scary is, like, what is that lady...
The question becomes, what's the winner going to do that the other 37 weren't going to do?
joe rogan
Well, I'll tell you what you're not going to do.
You're not going to be a rebel.
Rebels don't live.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
You know, that country's run by money, just like this country's run by money, but instead of the military-industrial complex, it's the supplying Americans with drugs.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
That complex.
It's not the military-industrial complex and the pharmaceutical drug companies, they run this It's just money.
It's the same thing.
And in Mexico, they make their own laws because everything is illegal, and so they are running things with selling us drugs.
And until we make drugs legal, which nobody wants to do, that's going to continue to happen.
Because you're not going to stop people from wanting to do drugs, and you're not going to stop People from selling them drugs.
You're not going to.
Especially if they're from another country.
Especially if they're running that country.
And they've been doing it so long, they've amassed so much resources and money.
They have tanks.
They have anti-aircraft weaponry.
They have everything, man.
They have fucking hundreds of billions of dollars.
Like, who knows how much money they have?
tony hinchcliffe
If you added up all the cartels in Mexico, Well, I bet the Jewish president knows exactly how much money they have.
unidentified
I bet she knows!
joe rogan
I bet she knows.
I bet they know where she sleeps, and I bet she follows the rules.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
I guess you have to.
Like, if you want to be president of Mexico, that is a totally different proposition.
They Kennedy 37 people a year.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
They're so crazy.
tony hinchcliffe
Unbelievable how close we are to them.
joe rogan
Yeah, you could walk there.
You could walk there.
Cam Haines has run longer distances and races.
Especially if you're down in South Texas.
My friend who lives in South Texas had a guy die on his property.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, probably dehydrated or sick or something and just couldn't make it.
It was in the heat.
tony hinchcliffe
I only went to Mexico once.
We were in San Diego and we drove down and the first thing I saw was a dead body leaning against the the rock with that split that says this side's America, this side's Mexico.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
And we were high as shit.
So like we were immediately like, was he going back?
Did he drown?
No, he was just dead.
He was just a dead old Mexican guy.
joe rogan
Oh, like old age dead?
tony hinchcliffe
Well, probably dehydrated.
I mean, it could have been anything.
Who knows?
I have no idea.
joe rogan
You know a doctor?
tony hinchcliffe
No, he was arms crossed with a thing over his head.
Oh, Jesus.
unidentified
So they had him laid there with arms crossed?
tony hinchcliffe
He was literally laid there next to the rock like a corpse.
joe rogan
Maybe somebody didn't have money for a funeral.
Like, hey, Grandpa's been real.
Take care.
Love ya.
Let somebody figure this out.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, that's a weird one.
joe rogan
You know how much money at fucking funeral costs?
That's the thing Joey Diaz hit me too.
He goes, you know what a fucking scam is?
These fucking mortuary homes and the funeral homes and all that shit.
You have to do it.
You have to do it even if someone wants to be cremated.
You have to embalm them.
So you have to pay for that.
And then you have to pay for a coffin.
And then they try to upsell you.
unidentified
Don't you want a Cadillac of a coffin for Grampy?
joe rogan
Grampy always liked red velvet.
He was the king.
He dressed Grampy up in his nicest suit and a red velvet.
And it cost you $40,000 for the whole thing.
You're like, what am I doing?
tony hinchcliffe
My buddies pulled a big Lebowski.
We had a comedian that we all started with named Skeezy and he passed away.
And nobody in his family wanted to claim the ashes so Benji and Matt Edgar were like, well, we'll put him somewhere.
He loved Venice Beach.
Let's take him to the beach.
So, Benji goes to the Venice Beach Mortuary or whatever, picks up the urn.
They go to the ocean, and Matt's kind of watching Benji, and he goes, like, waist-high in the water, and he dumps out Skeezy's ashes, and it all just starts to compile.
unidentified
All around Benji.
tony hinchcliffe
And Matt's laughing, and fucking Benji's cracking up.
And as he gets out, the ashes are following him, so they're all over his body.
So he had to go shower in one of those Venice Beach public showers to get the ashes off him.
joe rogan
From what I heard, someone told...
Who were they talking to?
about I kind of wish I could remember so I give him credit but there was some podcast where they were talking about what you're what you're really getting when you get Grampy's ashes it's like you can ash that's just sitting in the bottom of this furnace it's not necessarily your grandpa they don't like clean it out perfectly right no one's watching no one gives a shit also what it really looks like when they burn someone when they burn the body you have like fragments of bone and shit There's a lot.
See if you can find images of what it looks like when they actually cremate someone.
But the guy was like, you're not getting ashes.
And not only that, sometimes they just throw other stuff in there, like cement.
You'll get cement.
They don't give a fuck.
It's symbolic.
It's just a dumb thing we do.
What you're supposed to do is let that body feed life.
We're so stingy.
We don't even let our bodies feed life.
So that's what it really looks like.
Look what it looks like.
It's bones and chips and shit.
tony hinchcliffe
Ew.
jamie vernon
Theo had a mortician on before.
joe rogan
Oh, maybe it was Theo.
Did he say that?
jamie vernon
I don't know specifically.
I was trying to look.
joe rogan
I bet that's exactly what it is.
No, I'm thinking about it.
I don't know.
jamie vernon
It could have been anybody.
joe rogan
Either way, someone was saying that a lot of the stuff you're getting in there, I'm not saying all of them, of course.
Some of them, I'm sure you're grampy.
But other disreputable ones, they don't give a fuck.
They'll throw fucking kitty litter in there.
Here, go worship the kitty litter, you fucking idiot.
They don't care.
They're just doing this in and out and in and out.
And here's the other thing.
Do you know how many guys wind up fucking the female corpses?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Do you know that this has been an issue?
tony hinchcliffe
Uh-uh.
joe rogan
No.
My friend claims that when he was young that they went to a funeral home And that the guy came to, like, they were ringing the doorbell.
The guy wouldn't come.
They're knocking on the door.
It was, like, for someone in their family that was dead.
And the guy was in the back and came out.
He was sweaty and out of breath.
And they were like, what the fuck is this guy doing?
He was acting super fucking sketchy and really weird.
And they think he was back there with one of the corpses.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Yeah, he goes, he just felt like he just fucked somebody.
I go, really?
He goes, when you think about it, it's like these women are hot, and they haven't deteriorated, and no one's around.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, come on.
joe rogan
Yes.
tony hinchcliffe
There's rigor mortis and stuff.
It's hard.
joe rogan
Are you sure?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
It's gotta be.
It's gotta be like...
joe rogan
Reported cases of employees sexually abusing dead bodies are relatively rare.
Yeah, if they get caught.
Price those prolific necrophiliac...
Do you remember the one that the bit Kinnison had?
Oh my god.
It was how I found out about Kinnison.
I found out about it through a girl I worked with.
This girl I work with reenacted Kinnison's bit about homosexual necrophiliacs paying money to morticians to spend a few hours undisturbed with their freshest male corpse.
So Kinnison did this bit.
You ever see the bit?
It's a fucking classic, dude.
It's a classic.
See if you can find the bit.
Play it and then we'll just edit it out.
Fucking YouTube.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, they're tricky, man.
We gotta fucking play the game.
joe rogan
Listen, they're awesome.
They're awesome.
They have the best platform.
I mean, it's the most accessible.
It's so easy to share.
The sharing things is huge.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because you don't really share Netflix movies and stuff.
I tell people...
Here it is.
tony hinchcliffe
Wow.
joe rogan
What a bit.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
So, this girl that I worked with, this was at the Boston Athletic Club.
She got down in the parking lot, and she was lying on her stomach.
She was like, oh, oh!
unidentified
I mean, life keeps fucking the ass even after you're dead.
joe rogan
It never ends.
She's like doing that, and I'm howling laughing at her doing an impression of Kinison.
That's how I found out about Sam Kinison.
tony hinchcliffe
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Fucking amazing.
joe rogan
That was before I was even thinking about doing comedy.
I was 19. Wow.
Yeah, I was like, wow, that's crazy.
What's he doing?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
I just like, what?
I remember watching him for the first time going, oh, that's comedy too?
Like, I always loved comedy.
I always used to watch The Tonight Show, like when Richard Jenny would be on or Seinfeld would be on.
I loved The Tonight Show.
I love stand-up, like Evening the Improv.
Like when I was like, I wasn't even 21, I went to see Jerry Seinfeld with his girls dating.
We're just sitting there like, wow, seeing comedy.
But I always thought comedy was that.
It was like the TV comedy.
You know, and then there was Richard Pryor, and then there was Eddie Murphy, but I never thought, like, sick shit could be funny until I saw Kinison.
I was like, oh my god.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, that's a different thing.
I didn't know that was comedy, too.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
Right.
I'm with you.
I was a Jim Carrey guy and you know when I was young the funny faces and all the silly noises and stuff and everything and then when he did Man on the Moon and I saw that darker side of things and Andy gets fired from the improv right at the beginning of the movie and I realized right then that he was making money performing in front of live audiences and I'm like what the fuck is that?
That's great.
So there's like a lower level before The Tonight Show and stuff.
joe rogan
Right.
tony hinchcliffe
And I started going to libraries and stuff to look up books on Andy Kaufman.
I would look up Andy Kaufman and find any book that mentioned him.
I went down this crazy dark rabbit hole.
joe rogan
I used to go to Jerry's Deli all the time.
That place was awesome.
It was a great place because it was 24 hours.
You could always go there after shows.
And they had a photo of Andy Kaufman on the wall.
So it's Andy Kaufman when he worked there.
So Andy Kaufman, while he was on taxi, took a job at Jerry's Deli just to wait tables.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just to, like, be weird.
unidentified
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
So it's people who would be getting their fucking tables cleaned up, and they're like, wait, what?
Are you the...
Is that Latka or whatever his name was?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
What was his name?
tony hinchcliffe
Latka Gravis.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
And that's back when...
joe rogan
Look at them.
He was fucking working there while he was on taxi.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, back when there's only three channels, so there's not a ton of famous people.
joe rogan
Right.
Exactly.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Boy, you had to hang out with famous people back then because nobody understood.
Nobody got you.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, Jesus Christ.
Imagine a famous person like a John Belushi back then.
tony hinchcliffe
Crazy.
Too much pressure.
joe rogan
Well, the shows, the amount of people who watch those shows, too.
He used to bus tables at a restaurant at the height of his fame on the television show Taxi.
Kaufman would stay in character as a humble busboy, always denying that he was Kaufman.
Oh, Jerry's went under.
The Studio City one went under, too.
Oh, God.
They closed them all.
Are they all done?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
God damn it.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, we were stuck going to Norm's when I was there a few weeks ago.
joe rogan
How is Norm's?
tony hinchcliffe
It does.
If you're hungry enough to go to Norm's at 3 or 4 a.m., then it's just fine.
joe rogan
My favorite is Cantor's.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, Cantor's.
joe rogan
Cantor's is the shit.
That is the quintessential Jewish deli.
Like, their Reuben, their pastrami Reuben, off the charts.
Off the charts.
They have the best pastrami in the city, as far as I've had.
Like, Jerry's was really good.
Cantor's is one level above it.
tony hinchcliffe
Totally.
joe rogan
One level.
You feel the cholesterol right in your veins.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's just the sauerkraut and the fucking Russian dressing and the rye bread.
Come on.
tony hinchcliffe
God.
joe rogan
Come on.
tony hinchcliffe
I've been eating, like, such shit lately.
That spaghetti and meatballs from Boa here fucked me up, dude.
Spaghetti with Wagyu meatballs?
joe rogan
Oh, you've been going that a lot?
tony hinchcliffe
I've had it twice since then.
And it's like, I have to stop, because it's literally like heroin.
I feel like shit afterwards.
I feel like shit the next day.
It's like crazy.
I don't know what the hell they have in that fucking pasta.
It must be a thousand percent, like, Heisenberg-level gluten.
Because it is addictive and makes you feel terrible.
But it makes you so happy for the six minutes that it takes me to eat the entire dish.
joe rogan
And then you feel terrible for 30 hours.
unidentified
Yes.
tony hinchcliffe
Yes.
It's the closest thing I'd imagined to heroin that there is.
Of course, there's probably a bunch of people on heroin.
joe rogan
But isn't that similar to getting drunk?
You know, if you drink a little bit, you feel great while it's happening.
And the next day, you're like, I'm never doing that again.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, I do that all the time.
I did that last night.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's the same thing.
I ate with Joey Friday night in New Jersey.
Went to his spot, Il Nito.
There is nothing like East Coast Italian food.
It is a different thing.
tony hinchcliffe
100%.
joe rogan
It's a different level.
It's a different level.
That Il Nino place, I would fly in to go to that place.
Oh, look at that.
That was charred clams on this fucking insane toasted bread.
That was spicy rigatoni.
Dude, it was off the charts.
That's the meatballs.
Off the charts.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, a whole different level.
joe rogan
The steak was perfect.
Everything's perfect.
That's bone marrow with potato puffs.
Oh, dude, it was so good.
And that's, um, what is that?
What's that called?
The thin, thin sliced beef?
What the fuck is it called?
unidentified
Ceviche?
joe rogan
No, ceviche.
No, no, carpaccio.
unidentified
There you go.
tony hinchcliffe
My crew, we did Cleveland and then a night in Pittsburgh.
And Youngstown's dead in between the two.
So we stopped off in Youngstown for lunch and got two different types of pizza from two different places.
And everyone's minds are completely blown.
Because you cannot get pizza like that anywhere.
You could try to find something in Chicago, but that's Chicago.
And New York's New York.
There's not that middle, not deep dish, not thin crust.
20 places unlike any place anywhere else.
joe rogan
So it's like a hybrid of deep dish?
tony hinchcliffe
It's just a normal old fucking school lunch pizza.
But different types.
Bellaria is famous for their Briar Hill, which is just plain with shaker cheese and some green peppers, which is diabolical.
Because if the sauce is good and the bread is good and the cheese is good, you don't need anything else.
It's like a simple...
joe rogan
Yeah, well, that's what Portnoy always gets.
He always gets a plain cheese pizza.
You watch his reviews at cheese pizza places?
tony hinchcliffe
Sometimes, yeah.
I love the ones where the people get mad and shit.
It's so great.
joe rogan
Yeah, if it doesn't meet up to his standards.
I mean, the guy's eating everybody's pizza.
Like, you gotta know what the fuck you're doing.
But he says that New Haven, Connecticut...
It's like where some of the best pizza in the world comes from.
tony hinchcliffe
That makes sense.
I could see that.
A lot of those offshoot Italian spots where they hid away, like Youngstown, like that, I guarantee Pittsburgh has decent...
joe rogan
You know what they have in common?
Mob activity.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, exactly.
joe rogan
New Haven has a lot of mob activity.
tony hinchcliffe
100%.
joe rogan
I used to work at the Joker's Wild.
It was a place in New Haven, and the owner was a crazy convict.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just out of his mind.
And I saw the owner beat a guy in the face with his shoe.
Took his shoe off and beat a guy in the face with the heel of his shoe.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Blood all over him.
Oh, it was a fucking disaster.
tony hinchcliffe
Those people need pizza.
joe rogan
They figure out how to get the good pizza.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's funny how that's the case, though.
If you have, like, a serious Italian neighborhood, you probably got a little bit of mafia influence in there.
tony hinchcliffe
Totally.
I mean, that's all they know.
You gotta bet on things, you gotta run things, get a tax here, tax there, protect them.
joe rogan
Imagine doing money to a bookie, how terrifying that would be.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're on the run, you owe $100,000 to this guy, and you're trying to gamble on other games to make it right.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like Uncut Gems.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
That movie gives me so much anxiety.
Watch that movie like, don't!
Oh, Jesus Christ!
What are you doing?
I'm fucking...
tony hinchcliffe
Dude, I watched this show that gave me more anxiety than any show I've ever watched in my entire fucking life.
joe rogan
What?
tony hinchcliffe
Baby Reindeer.
joe rogan
Oh, I've heard.
It's insane.
tony hinchcliffe
It's the scariest thing ever.
It's the scariest show ever.
This guy's nice to one person who he doesn't really want to be nice to, gives her a water or a tea or whatever, and she falls in love with him, and it is the scariest show.
I think it's supposed to be a comedy, I don't think I laughed once.
The comedy part's not funny.
He's also trying to be a comedian.
None of it's funny at all, but it's literally you're watching for the anxiety.
I started it, and then I'm like, I don't want to watch, but I have to.
And I just kept going, and it's fucking frightening.
joe rogan
Have you seen the actual lady go on Piers Morgan?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
And she's literally like how she is in the thing.
joe rogan
She's insane.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh.
joe rogan
And happy to talk about it.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And claiming she's not insane.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
And not knowing how insane you look.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
Fucking fright.
joe rogan
It's wild when people don't know how insane they are.
And you watch and you're like, oh my god, they think they're sane.
They think they're fine.
They think they're gonna go on there and make a good argument.
tony hinchcliffe
Those are the most insane people.
The ones that don't know.
joe rogan
Right.
You've been watching the Fauci hearings?
tony hinchcliffe
No.
joe rogan
Whoa.
Dude, it's wild.
It's wild.
tony hinchcliffe
What's going on with that?
joe rogan
He's still deeply in denial about everything.
I mean, they're confronting him about emails they got, about deleting emails in preparation of a Freedom of Information Act request.
They got emails from people that he worked with saying, you know, that don't worry, Fauci is too smart to talk about this stuff on emails.
You'll either have to deliver something to him or meet him in person.
There's all this like weird deception shit.
There's people that said this is clearly leaked from a lab.
Look at the farin cleavage sites.
That's put into the virus to make it more infectious to human beings.
They're talking about it in the email.
And then that same guy, after talking to Fauci, like three days later, is like, it's ridiculous to think this came from a lab.
This is clearly from a natural order.
And they're all talking about discrediting people who are talking about the lab leak theory.
I mean, what they did was insane, and they did it in front of everybody.
And finally, Fauci has to talk about it to people.
But he's still in denial about all of it.
There's no science that says that masking for children works.
There's no science that says that vaccinating children works, that it's good, that it's overall good.
And the amount of people that have gotten wrecked by this, they're starting to recognize it in other countries, and they're talking about it in other countries.
They haven't quite gone public with it in all the newspapers in the United States yet.
But in the UK, they're blaming it.
There was the thing about Germany today.
There was a front page of a major newspaper.
Somebody sent it to me.
I'll send it to you, Jamie.
But they're finally starting to talk about it.
And they're talking about excess deaths in the Philippines.
They're talking about the amount of people that are no longer having children.
The amount of less children that are born.
Because one of the side effects that is claimed...
It wrecks women's fertility.
It wrecks men's fertility, too.
The baby numbers are down by a million.
jamie vernon
I couldn't tell what newspaper it was from.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know.
I bet if you take the title...
jamie vernon
I'll take the writer's name.
joe rogan
But they're talking about it.
Analyze data...
Here we go.
It says, researchers from the Netherlands analyzed data from 47 Western countries and discovered there have been more than 3 million excess deaths since 2020, with the trend continuing despite the rollout of vaccines and containment measures.
Experts said the unprecedented figures raised serious concerns and called on governments to fully investigate the underlying causes, including possible vaccine harms.
This is wild stuff, man.
Because, you know, now that we're getting an understanding of how much deception was involved, like trying to blame it on a natural origin when they clearly knew it was a lab leak.
They still don't say it's a lab leak.
It was clearly a lab leak.
It's clearly.
Obviously, I'm not a doctor, but in my eyes, it looks like a fucking lab leak.
And most people that are educated think it's a fucking lab leak.
And this guy still is denying it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And was denying that it's even gain of function.
They even funded that research.
But they changed the definition of gain of function for this particular vaccine.
tony hinchcliffe
What did they change it to?
joe rogan
The definition of gain of function on the NIH website was changed.
It was updated.
jamie vernon
So that was from the Telegraph.
joe rogan
The Telegraph.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
COVID vaccines may have helped fueled rise in excess deaths.
The excess deaths have to be discussed and no one wants to because that's the real thing.
The all-cause mortality deaths, the big uptick in cancer and what they're calling turbo cancer.
Obviously, again, I don't understand any of this stuff, but Peter McCullough was talking about what the mechanism behind this rise in cancer would be and how it could be tied into it.
He was explaining it from a medical perspective.
The whole thing is so nuts.
When are we going to learn?
When are we going to learn?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, it's crazy.
Being back in LA, they rehired the people that they fired for not being vaccinated.
Rose is running the joint.
Yeah, assistant GM. And, I don't know, it just brought me great joy to see things like that, at least.
joe rogan
At least sort of back to normal.
tony hinchcliffe
Exactly.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's just...
tony hinchcliffe
That part was the part where I'm like, gotta go to Texas.
It's time.
They're forcing people to get a shot of something to work at a dirty night comedy club.
joe rogan
And to fly and to do everything.
And they're lying about whether or not it's going to stop the virus.
They lied about it.
They said it's gonna stop it in its tracks.
It was all bullshit.
There was no data that showed that it stopped it in its tracks.
Even one of the people in the vaccine study got COVID. I mean literally.
One of the people died from COVID. Did you know that?
tony hinchcliffe
Uh-uh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
So many people that got the shot got it immediately.
I mean, it's crazy.
They're literally like, I've had COVID four times, I got two shots.
I got three boosters, I've had it five times.
It's so contrary to what the whole thing was supposed to do.
joe rogan
I'm just hoping that people wake up and realize that...
We have this idealistic perspective that they're looking out for your best interests, but whenever there's enormous amounts of money to be made, they will distort the facts, even if something is beneficial.
I mean, let's just pretend that there's no excess deaths.
Let's pretend that it just causes a bunch of neurological issues and autoimmune issues, which it seems to do.
Let's pretend it's just that.
Even that, they're not going to tell you about.
They're not going to tell you about it until there's already problems.
They've shown that with the Vioxx problem.
When they had that Vioxx scandal, they knew.
They had emails saying, we're going to have problems, but I think that we'll do well with this.
Talking about financially.
Because you've got money people, man.
Money people aren't medicine people.
But medicine is medicine, and medicine is to help people.
But it's run by money people.
So you have the scientists that create the awesome medicine, and then you have the money people who figure out a way to fucking sell this to people, force people to take it.
And when you watch videos of all the different things, and during this thing, one of the things is that...
Fauci was claiming that he didn't coerce anybody to take the vaccine, but there's this whole recorded conversation of him talking about if you keep people from working, you keep people like if Amazon says they're not going to hire people at big corporations, you have to be vaccinated to fly.
He goes, it's shown that people will drop their ideological bullshit and get vaccinated.
You can imagine.
Just imagine that's from a public health official who knows that it doesn't stop infection.
He has to know what the data is.
He has to know.
It was all just to get people to take it.
And they made so much money.
And the government, you know, this is the weird thing.
There's $710 million was earned.
And Fauci's claiming that he never made any money.
Zero.
He said he got zero dollars from it.
He said he got like 122 bucks from a monoclonal antibody patent that he has.
It's crazy that they work for the American people with taxpayers' money.
And they create something they put a patent on and then that makes him hundreds of millions of dollars.
Seven hundred and ten million dollars.
Like, where'd that go?
You didn't get any of it?
But the other thing they showed was that Fauci's income, his net worth went up to eleven million dollars.
So he made a lot of money.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Maybe he sold a book.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
Maybe it was legit.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, I saw something of him on my Twitter feed, him just playing victim.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
You see that guy behind him?
tony hinchcliffe
Uh-uh.
joe rogan
This is a fucking amazing video.
This guy behind him, when Fauci's talking about the death threats, you go, the guy's like...
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
The guy's making this face.
Have you seen it, Jamie?
I'll send it to you.
It's hilarious.
The dude's hilarious.
tony hinchcliffe
But anytime anybody does that, in my mind, the stuff that...
joe rogan
Playing victim?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, the stuff that I've been through and seen.
Because I had a lot of death threats during quite a few phases of my jokes being out there.
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
That's it.
There it is.
Give me the volume.
tony hinchcliffe
I mean, it's such a joke.
unidentified
Two individuals and credible death threats mean someone who clearly was on their way to kill me.
And it's required my having protective services essentially all the time.
anthony fauci
It is very troublesome to me.
unidentified
It is much more troublesome because they've involved my wife and my three daughters.
At these moments, how do you feel?
Keep your mic on.
Terrible.
Do you continue to receive threats today?
Yes, I do.
Every time someone gets up...
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, well...
joe rogan
Well, that was the other thing.
They blame podcasters.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
They blame podcasters and said that we're responsible for 200,000 to 300,000 deaths.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
That makes total sense.
joe rogan
Hey man, you made it.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
First of all, don't blame us.
First of all, you made it.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
You fucking made it.
You funded it.
You were a part of the research.
tony hinchcliffe
Andy was the main salesman on the air every day when we were watching the news because there was nothing else.
We wanted updates.
We wanted to see when things were going to open, if any positive news was there.
And we had him.
joe rogan
The richest thing of all is Chris Cuomo's now taking Ivermectin.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh my god.
Dave Smith bodying him is one of the greatest all-time, I mean...
joe rogan
I said this before and it was that.
I said it was going to be Mike Tyson versus Marvis Frazier.
Like, what have I gotten myself into?
And that's what it was.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
But he did it to himself.
He did it to himself.
I mean, Dave did it to him, for sure, but Chris did it to himself.
He just has this bizarre way of trying to lawyer it up and twist the words and turn it into something that's okay.
I didn't say that.
Where's the clips?
And then they show the clip.
And he's still trying to pretend that they weren't mocking people for taking horse dewormer.
tony hinchcliffe
And there was more than that.
These clips, they do a funny thing over at CNN. I think we were talking about this the other day because of a joke that I do in the headlines.
They do a funny thing where they can change the headlines after a certain amount of time.
They can delete videos.
They can copyright strike them.
They have control over what they've done.
And they went, On and on and on.
There was a whole thing with it.
I was obsessed with CNN because I find propaganda to be very, very interesting.
I want to know what everyone else is seeing.
I want to know what the audiences are seeing.
joe rogan
Especially the people that aren't really paying attention.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Maybe they don't have friends that know what's really going on.
They don't know the whole history behind everything.
tony hinchcliffe
And I know it's not real.
I look at CNN like most people look at pro wrestling.
And I look at pro wrestling like it's pro wrestling.
Like it's real.
No.
But, I mean...
joe rogan
Yeah, it is like pro wrestling.
tony hinchcliffe
Especially during that time, I was studying that so hard.
Because I knew.
I knew that they were...
I knew something was fucking rotten going on.
joe rogan
They don't know what to do about Israel and Palestine.
They're just like trapped.
They're trapped in the middle.
Did you see in Philly where the Gay Pride Parade ran into the Free Palestine Parade and wouldn't let them pass?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, no, are things more important than you guys fucking each other?
unidentified
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Crazy.
joe rogan
It's just the woke eating woke.
It's the left eating the left.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
joe rogan
But that's what they've always done.
They eat themselves.
By the way, the right does it too.
The right does it too.
They do it all the time.
It's a human characteristic that we can't really just say one side does because it's not It's not true.
tony hinchcliffe
The gay parade and the Palestine parade meeting up in the middle is like the time Kid Rock shot a bunch of Bud Light.
joe rogan
No, because nothing's gonna die.
No business is gonna get crushed by it.
tony hinchcliffe
It's like, no, you guys don't want to fight each other.
joe rogan
Look at this.
unidentified
Look at the free Palestine and the gay pride.
joe rogan
It's a standoff.
It's a fucking flat-out standoff.
tony hinchcliffe
Hijabs versus blowjobs over here.
joe rogan
No pride in genocide.
So they're stopping the pride parade.
No, you can't have your parade.
Our parade's more important.
I love the masks.
I just love them.
Look at all these people with masks on.
It is the liberals' MAGA hat.
It is.
I've said it a million times, but that's what it is.
It's a fucking MAGA hat.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh my goodness.
joe rogan
These dorks.
How many of them had fucking masks on, man?
It's crazy.
They don't even work.
I mean, they work as well as that lady's visor that's turned backwards.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
And they definitely don't work against AIDS, so wearing one in a gay pride parade is completely pointless.
joe rogan
Imagine, do you think the math?
This is going to protect you.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, they're wearing a mask outside, and meanwhile they buttfuck strangers in glory holes and stuff.
joe rogan
I honestly think it's more of the free Palestine people that were wearing the masks.
tony hinchcliffe
You think anybody's ever worn a mask out of glory hole?
joe rogan
What's that?
jamie vernon
Because they don't want to be identified in photos.
joe rogan
That's true too, right?
jamie vernon
That's pretty much most of it.
joe rogan
You think most of it?
jamie vernon
Yeah, retaliation.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't think it should be legal to wear a mask in public.
tony hinchcliffe
I agree with that.
joe rogan
I just think it's too creepy.
You could rob someone.
I mean, in New York City, if someone had a mask on in the past, you'd be like, really wary.
Oh my god, this guy's got a ski mask on.
Fuck!
It was scary.
It means they were going to rob you and you couldn't identify them.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
Why are we allowing that?
It doesn't work.
The data's in, kids.
Doesn't work.
It never made sense.
Even in the early days of the pandemic, there was a famous doctor that went viral.
Because he was doing vape hits.
And he would put a mask on.
And the vape smoke would blow straight through the mask.
And he was explaining, like, this is...
These vapor particles are bigger than COVID particles.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, it's going right through that mask.
It's not stopping jack shit.
And you're gonna get it.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
You're gonna get it.
And...
You know, they said, oh, the masks work at the margins.
Like, if you fuck with the numbers, because here's the thing.
How many people wear masks all the time are also super fucking paranoid, right?
So they're avoiding crowds, they're not going out.
How many people who won't wear a mask are a little loose?
They're just like, fuck it.
If I get sick, I get sick.
I already got COVID. Fuck it.
You know, they just go out.
So you can't...
It's hard to know when you have a large group of...
When something is weird as the pandemic happens.
And even then, they can't show...
It's not like all the people with masks showed 80% of them didn't get COVID. Uh-uh.
They all got COVID. Everybody got COVID. Yeah.
And then there's this...
The thing where they want to say it protects you from hospitalization and death.
No, that's not true either.
Because I know a lot of people who are vaccinated, who got COVID, who got to the fucking hospital.
And I know a couple that died.
tony hinchcliffe
How many people do you know that died from COVID? I confirmed actually don't know anybody, I don't think.
I mean, it's kind of debatable.
Like, Jeff Scott, I mean, I don't know.
joe rogan
No, Jeff Scott, he died alone.
tony hinchcliffe
I don't think he had COVID. I mean, yeah, exactly.
I know some people that died during that period, but really, nobody.
joe rogan
Jeff Scott was HIV positive, too.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, for a long time.
joe rogan
I wonder if maybe he couldn't get his meds?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, I don't know.
joe rogan
I mean, because that was an issue during the pandemic as well.
That's when we realized that China makes all our medicine?
Like, what?
China makes a lot of things, man.
It's crazy how much we rely on them for manufacturing stuff.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
Crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're trying to mitigate some of that now.
Samsung is actually putting in a chip factory in Austin.
tony hinchcliffe
Huh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Should be interesting.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
We got to do something.
We got to get businesses back over here and stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, we definitely shouldn't rely on a foreign country that is not our ally for our fucking medicine.
Jesus.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
That's so kooky.
That is such a kooky thought.
tony hinchcliffe
We live in the craziest times.
joe rogan
It's so weird, man.
Every day it's weirder and weirder.
And every day AI gets stronger and stronger.
And every day I wonder, are these the last days of just being a regular person?
Are these the last days of us just driving around, getting on a plane, going to places, telling jokes?
Are these the last days of that?
Are we going to be living in a world in five years that's unrecognizable?
Because I think we are, dude.
tony hinchcliffe
I hope not.
I don't know.
The AI stuff still...
I'm not completely mesmerized or convinced.
I hear you and Duncan talking about it a lot in the green room, and I'm just always like, I don't know.
I don't really...
I haven't bought it yet.
It all just seems like a fancy Alexa to me.
joe rogan
Well, have you actually seen what it can do?
Have you ever seen what it can do as far as coding?
tony hinchcliffe
No.
joe rogan
It can code so much faster than people.
It can solve problems faster than people.
It can do all these things already better than people can.
Like, no one in the future is going to need to hire a coder.
Like, a person who sits in front of a terminal for 16 hours a day and just fucking Adderalls out and just, like, lines of code.
That's done.
That's done.
You could do that if you want to.
But a computer's gonna bang it out quick.
It would be stupid for you to do that when a computer would do it in two seconds.
And you're gonna spend 16 hours and you might fuck up a few lines and you gotta go back and check it and...
Why?
Why aren't you doing it manually?
The computer's just gonna do it.
You know?
Are you gonna stand there with one of those old-timey photographs?
Everybody has to stand still?
No.
You have a phone now.
It takes a better picture.
It's gonna be like that with everything.
It's going to be in control of airplanes.
It's going to be in control of all the automobiles.
The problem is you're gonna have to get, like, permission to go places.
It's gonna get fucking weird, dude.
It's gonna get really, really weird.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, I just hope we can...
I don't know.
joe rogan
Well, think about the amount of change that we have now in comparison to just our parents.
Just our parents.
The best transportation back then was an airplane.
The best way to get the news was the television or a newspaper.
And you didn't know what to do with your life.
You had to go to college and then you go to college or you go to trade school or you get an apprenticeship and you get a job.
And then you get a kid.
You don't know what the fuck is going on in the world.
You have this surface level understanding of what's going on in the world.
And now everybody knows what's going on in the world.
Now every, like, the amount we knew about the Iraq invasion in, like, in 92, 93, whatever it was, when the Iraq invaded Kuwait and Desert Storm, the amount we knew was, like, minuscule.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Minuscule.
Nobody, there was no, like, YouTube shows where you could see someone breaking it down.
Oh, they're actually trying to get away from the American dollar, and we're trying to do this and that, and there's none of that.
No one knew the hustle.
tony hinchcliffe
It's crazy that these wars are still happening.
I don't know why we're giving them our money.
We need a...
I don't know.
joe rogan
That's not going to change.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, that might shift if Trump becomes president.
Maybe he can get away with some stuff.
Maybe he could do some things.
He wants to stop the wars.
He's like the only one that's saying he can stop the wars and wants to stop the wars.
tony hinchcliffe
He's the only one that did before.
He did it before.
joe rogan
What can he do, though?
What can he do different?
Let's pretend it's November of 2024, Trump wins, January gets in office.
What can he do?
tony hinchcliffe
Well, it seems like he has a way to, uh...
joe rogan
Jesus Christ!
Trump is planning to send kill teams to Mexico to take out cartel leaders.
Donald Trump has told allies about his plans to covertly send special forces to Mexico to assassinate drug kingpins.
Sources tell Rolling Stone.
Well, Rolling Stone, you have lied to me before.
You've lied to me a lot.
And you've lied to me about the fucking people overdosing on horse dewormer.
Remember that?
That was Rolling Stone.
They had a line of people outside waiting to get to the hospital because so many people were in there for horse dewormer overdoses that gunshot victims couldn't get in.
They're so dumb, they used a photograph.
This was in, like, August in Oklahoma.
They used a photograph of people wearing coats.
Because they were lining up for a flu shot.
It was a different shot.
Different photo.
It wasn't what they really were there for.
It was bullshit.
What is that article, Jamie?
jamie vernon
The same thing.
It was printed somewhere else.
joe rogan
Same thing?
jamie vernon
Yeah, same thing printed on Yahoo.
The source was Rolling Stone in here, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, if he was doing that, someone's a rat.
So shut the fuck up.
tony hinchcliffe
It seems like the type of article that you would put out if you want the person assassinated and you want to make it look like someone else is going to assassinate them.
jamie vernon
That's worded a little differently.
One source recalled him saying it in the past, earlier this year, that he would do something like that.
joe rogan
He should create a kill list of drug lords consisting of most notorious heads of drug cartels that a special ops team would be tasked with killing or capturing.
jamie vernon
That's a different way of saying that.
joe rogan
You know, the problem with that is you create a power vacuum, and then what happens is someone else rises to the new spot.
You're not going to stop the demand, so you're not going to stop the supply.
You can try, but unless you're in an all-out, everyday war with the cartel, you're probably not going to do that.
Even if you kidnap and capture leaders, you're going to disrupt the organization.
But my guess, my uneducated guess, would be someone was going to come in to fill that void.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They got to make drugs legal.
As horrible as that sounds.
But that's the only way.
Just make them legal, tax the shit out of them, and use the money for treatment centers and education.
tony hinchcliffe
And testing.
joe rogan
Yeah, and testing.
tony hinchcliffe
You know that it's illegal to have or to give away fentanyl test strips in the state of Texas?
joe rogan
To legal?
tony hinchcliffe
Illegal.
joe rogan
Can you sell them?
tony hinchcliffe
Me and my buddy are starting a water company.
Here's how I know about this.
Canned water, right?
And the plan was to get them into all the bars in the city.
Our idea was to literally just attach a...
A 30 cent, you know, fentanyl test strip.
And then we found out we can't do that.
You can't give away fentanyl test strips.
You can't even order them in Texas.
joe rogan
Can you sell them?
tony hinchcliffe
If you go to Amazon, you can get fentanyl test strips in specific states.
joe rogan
Whoa.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why would they stop test strips?
tony hinchcliffe
I don't know.
joe rogan
You think it's encouraging people to do coke?
Is that what that is?
tony hinchcliffe
I have no idea.
joe rogan
That doesn't make any sense.
tony hinchcliffe
I know.
It's very bizarre.
joe rogan
There's so many dumbass fucking laws.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
joe rogan
Because there's so many goofy people on both the left and the right.
Texas House passes Bill decriminalizing fentanyl test strips.
jamie vernon
Maybe it's if you have them, I guess.
joe rogan
Bill would take fentanyl test strips off the state's drug paraphernalia list, meaning it would no longer be a crime to carry them.
jamie vernon
No, it's still probably hard to buy them.
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe you just can't give them out.
unidentified
Yeah, which is crazy.
joe rogan
Why don't you Google, is it legal to give out fentanyl test strips in Texas?
jamie vernon
I did, that's how I got here.
joe rogan
Did it give any articles other than that?
tony hinchcliffe
It probably says below that.
joe rogan
How much time can you get for selling fentanyl in Texas?
How much time?
20 years.
For 200 to 400 grams, you're looking at 5 to 99 years, or even life in prison, and a fine of up to $10,000.
Life in prison meant the most severe punishment for having more than 400 grams.
Wow.
jamie vernon
They also only do, like, the state bill stuff here for, like, I mean, I don't know how different it is in other states, but it's only, like, six months out of the year.
The other half, they're not, like, they're out of session.
joe rogan
Jesus.
jamie vernon
You have to wait until next year before they start looking at stuff again.
That happened with...
joe rogan
Jesus.
tony hinchcliffe
There's no reason.
There's no reason.
They can't have a good reason for...
joe rogan
There's no good reason.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
I mean, there's an epidemic.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
There's 100,000 people in this country in a year.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Update, there you go.
That died in the Senate.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
jamie vernon
Despite support from Greg Abbott.
joe rogan
Oh no.
The legislation comes after a bill to decriminalize Texas.
So Texas and Congress lead bipartisan efforts to allow fentanyl test strips.
The legislation comes after, but died in the Senate despite support.
jamie vernon
So whatever I pulled up before was just when it passed through the House, I guess.
joe rogan
So they're trying to bring it back.
Who the fuck is opposing that?
tony hinchcliffe
Isn't that crazy?
joe rogan
Who the fuck would oppose fentanyl test tricks?
tony hinchcliffe
I want to know.
jamie vernon
I'll tell you what it says in the article in one second.
joe rogan
Yeah, name their names.
tony hinchcliffe
It's just inexcusable.
joe rogan
It's a crazy thing to oppose, kids.
Like, that doesn't make any sense.
tony hinchcliffe
Because if we can figure out who that is and where they're getting their money from, then we can start to solve a lot of problems here.
Because that's an actual serious problem.
They wanted to make COVID a big deal.
joe rogan
Imagine if they're getting their money from the cartel.
unidentified
Right?
tony hinchcliffe
I mean, who could it be?
joe rogan
Who could it be?
Who the fuck would want you to not have...
jamie vernon
It doesn't say they voted against it.
It says it died, which is like, they just didn't vote on it.
joe rogan
But the Senate declined to take action in the regular session.
Oh, okay.
jamie vernon
It just never got voted on.
And that's the same thing, though.
Like, they're avoiding it maybe on purpose or someone doesn't want to vote on it.
tony hinchcliffe
And, you know, by the way, this is like, you know, some people look at it like...
Oh, well, those people are doing cocaine anyway, or whatever, so maybe it's not the, you know, we're not losing the best people, but it could be anybody doing anything.
It could be somebody trying to do, you know, fucking Molly, or, I don't know, any more fun, like an actual, like, goofy psychedelic drug or something like that.
It could be in any type of pill.
joe rogan
I wonder if the...
The logic behind not wanting it to be legal or sticking your neck out and saying that it should be legal is that people want to then attach you to promoting drug use and then you would possibly like have an opponent that could turn it against you and say, my opponent promotes drug use.
You could have that kind of a deal happen.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, but there's a problem.
joe rogan
But that was the gay marriage thing.
That was a lot of things.
There was a lot of things that people wanted to pretend that they were against.
I mean, until, I think, 2013, Hillary Clinton was saying that marriage should be between a man and a woman.
Barack Obama said that.
They don't say that because they believe it.
His opinions changed that much as a grown man.
Like, did you do mushrooms?
What did you do?
Did you smoke DMT? What did you do?
Tell me what you did.
Where now you have this complete change of heart.
And you think it should just be two people who are grown adults who love each other, they should be able to get married.
What happened?
You tell me.
Or you're full of shit.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
One of these things is going on.
Either you're doing this political thing, which is like, God, it's so gross.
When they just, they're calculated with what they say just so they could win.
Like, ooh.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
They realize the gays can vote.
joe rogan
Also, they realized that public support for gay marriage was way higher because the stigma of being gay all sort of, you know, not that long ago, it was way more stigmatized.
Like, so many people were in the closet in Hollywood.
Because they kind of had to be.
And to this day, the one open kind of homophobia you have in Hollywood is that gay men never play straight men in movies if they're out.
They never play like the leading romantic interest in a movie if everyone knows they're gay.
tony hinchcliffe
That's why I'm not in any movies.
But also, making gay marriage legal didn't cost them vast sums of money.
I bet if we did an online poll, Where every American had to vote and had to log in, and you polled them, do you think we should be giving money to foreign wars?
I can't imagine the number being lower than 90% for no.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think I saw a recent Twitter poll where they tried to do that, and the majority of people was like, no.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
I mean if we force people to vote on an actual issue.
joe rogan
Well, it's also – you have so many people that are hawkish and they think that we can break Russia or that we need to support Israel or whatever their position is where they're real hawkish on.
And they have a limited amount of information about it when you talk to them.
So many people, when you talk to them about it, you're like, well, why do you think that we need to keep sending money to Ukraine?
Is it working?
Like, are these people being used as cannon fodder or are they gaining ground?
Like, you tell me what you think.
Well, you know, I mean, I just think what Putin did was like, do you support a guy storming into a country and taking over?
I'm like, no, I definitely don't.
I definitely didn't support that.
But that doesn't mean that you should spend hundreds of billions of dollars To prolong what seems like some horrible, bloody conflict that just...
How are they going to win?
Are they going to take over Russia?
How are they going to win?
Are they going to kick Russia out?
Russia's going to quit?
They're never going to do it again?
NATO can move in?
Everything's going to be fine?
Are you sure?
Are you sure nuclear weapons aren't on the table?
Are you fucking positive?
Is it good that China and Russia have cuddled up together now, and they're all buddy-buddy, and they're fucking shaking hands and smiling and taking pictures?
Like, is that good?
That seems not good.
It seems not good if the whole fucking world is against us.
Like, that seems really bad.
tony hinchcliffe
And if they make our medicine.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And what is the fucking...
What solution could Trump possibly do?
Like, when he says he could stop it, like, how do you stop it?
How do you stop it?
tony hinchcliffe
I think Trump just puts the fear of God into these people a little bit.
I think he puts the fear of...
joe rogan
The guy's not going to play by the rules.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
They read our news.
If they glance at our news, it looks like we have a crazy president.
So they're like, oh, let's wait a bit.
I honestly feel that way.
I think that they think by glancing at our weird propaganda that we have, that we're being fed, they're like, this guy's kind of crazy according to them.
So let's wait.
I mean, why did Putin wait?
Why did Putin wait to invade Ukraine until, well, Poopypants Jenkins was president?
joe rogan
If I was gonna do anything, I'd do it right now.
unidentified
Yeah!
joe rogan
It just seems like everything's so chaotic.
unidentified
Absolutely!
tony hinchcliffe
We got no border, we're giving money to fucking whoever wants it.
We're already rich countries.
joe rogan
We got men who are the first female admiral.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh my god.
joe rogan
We have so much chaos.
tony hinchcliffe
Chaos.
joe rogan
It's so kooky.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's just so kooky.
tony hinchcliffe
It's crazy.
joe rogan
It's kooky and it seems like they're just leaning into it.
Like there's no course correction at all.
Just leaning into the kooky.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fun times.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
For comedy.
Oh my goodness.
We have so much stuff to talk about.
Stuff that you would have to manufacture something that bizarre that people are accepting at any other time in history.
tony hinchcliffe
It's so weird.
joe rogan
So weird.
It really is like the whole country's hypnotized.
And I just think this is a perfect storm of things that are happening all at the same time.
With AI emerging, China and Russia becoming buddies, us being run by a dead man.
They're trying to stop this other guy from even running and they're exposing how corrupt the democracy is.
They're exposing how corrupt the system is.
Just by charging this guy with 34 felonies for paying off a lady he had sex with.
Like, what?
tony hinchcliffe
And how else would he have paid her money to...
joe rogan
Well, the way it was written, the way it was put in a ledger.
It's basically, on most situations, it would have been considered a misdemeanor.
But they turned it into a felony.
They trumped it up.
No pun intended.
And then he signed like 34 different checks.
So there's 34 different...
The whole thing's crazy.
First of all, what a cheap fuck.
A pair of installments.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Don't give her all the money.
Give her a little taste.
Keep her on the hook.
unidentified
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
That actually makes sense, I guess, now that I think about it.
Because if you pay her all at once, she could just write a book or whatever.
joe rogan
No, the whole deal was that she couldn't talk if she got the money, but obviously that didn't work out.
She got the money and still talked.
If you have the backing of the political party, it doesn't matter.
Like, especially the party that's in charge.
But what's scary is how many Democrats are willing to allow this kind of stuff to happen But a lot of them are aware of it.
There was this one lady that went viral and she was talking about it and she was saying, you have to understand, like, I'm not a Trump supporter, I don't like Trump, but this is really dangerous for democracy.
Nobody can justify this and nobody can say this guy should be in jail for this.
This doesn't make any sense.
And especially if you wanted to look at past presidents with the same scrutiny.
I mean, there's so many instances of things that you could go.
And this was one of the things that Obama had said when Obama got into office.
They were talking about George Bush and Dick Cheney being charged with war crimes.
And he was saying, we're not going to look to the past.
We're going to look towards the future.
You know, like, I'm not going to prosecute anybody.
Imagine if...
When Obama got into office, if he decided to prosecute Dick Cheney and George Bush for crimes against humanity?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, crazy.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
You know how crazy that would be?
Do you know how divided the country would be then?
Well, that's the same thing kind of that is taking place now at a lesser scale, obviously, because it's not a war crime you're charging someone with, but you could.
You could charge Trump with war crimes.
You could find some things that he did, especially with bombings and even what Obama did.
Obama, during the administration, they dropped a drone on a US citizen.
No trial, no nothing.
Boom!
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Trump didn't even go for...
He didn't go for Obama.
He didn't go for Hillary.
You know, and he could have.
He could have tried them for things.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, especially Hillary.
Especially with the whole email thing, the deleting of the emails.
tony hinchcliffe
And supposedly Trump's the crazy one.
Trump's the loose cannon.
joe rogan
They're all crazy.
That's what they don't want you to know.
It's like sluts that are always talking bad about other girls who are sluts.
unidentified
Like, you know, it's what people do.
joe rogan
It's a thing that, you know, people are like, that's not me.
I'm not like that.
It's just a weird thing that people do.
And people form teams and they justify why they should use any means necessary to silence the other people on the other team, the opposition, and they don't even realize they're setting a precedent when this motherfucker gets an office or another motherfucker gets an office that's a Republican.
You've got real problems now, kids.
If the elections are real, that's how it usually goes.
It usually goes one side wins and they're like, this fucking sucks.
Let's try the other way.
The other guy wins like, oh, this is bullshit.
Let's try the other way.
And this is what we've done in this country over and over and over again.
We go Clinton to Bush, Bush to Obama.
It's what we do.
It's what we do.
We always do it this way.
And if you change the way people are allowed to go after political candidates and you change the way you're allowed to silence and imprison your candidates, then we're like Mexico.
We're just not assassinating people yet.
We're like a third world country.
We're like a banana republic.
We're letting things other than the will of the people and what's best for the people.
Be what's running the thing.
We're letting the thing be run by the people that are in power that are corrupt, that want to keep the power.
Because it's not just Biden.
Biden is barely there, right?
It's all the people that are working there.
You've got to understand, there's this huge team behind them.
They don't want to leave.
What?
Get on LinkedIn?
Get on LinkedIn and fucking try to get a new job?
Start sending out your resume?
I work for the worst administration ever.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
unidentified
I was one of the people, you know?
joe rogan
I mean, the one thing you can do is get a job as, like, a political person, unlike TV. You'll get one of those jobs, like, if you're a White House press secretary.
You know?
And there's, like, Huckabee.
Isn't she, like, a governor now?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
I think Arkansas or something?
joe rogan
That's a good one to start with.
Want to run the world?
Start with Arkansas.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
I was talking to Tulsi Gabbard the other night, and I went off on a rant to her about mental health asylums.
Mmm, I'm like that is These people are everywhere on the streets now.
Yeah, it's crazy people and they I mean It's not a great thing to have them out.
It's not good for them.
It's not good for everyone else There's terrible actual places and the money that it would cost I mean, that's a cost that people would get behind.
Yeah The things that we would pay for, instead of the things that we are paying for, insane.
joe rogan
I think that happened during the Reagan administration.
I think they changed, like, what it means to be a mentally ill person.
They let a bunch of people out.
Is that true?
Yeah.
I'm pretty sure it was during the...
You know, Reagan was one of those Republicans that made people want to be a Democrat.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, you know who I heard actually was behind it?
It was JFK, because he didn't like what happened to his sister.
joe rogan
How so?
tony hinchcliffe
They gave his sister the lobotomy.
joe rogan
Oh.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
And he turned against mental health institutions.
I can't remember if it was...
joe rogan
They gave his sister a lobotomy?
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, yeah.
Bad one.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, it's like one of the big Kennedy secrets.
joe rogan
You know, they stopped doing that in like the late 60s.
They did it for a long time.
I had an Instagram post about it.
Because I went down a rabbit hole one night, and I was like, what?
Like, they just scrambled people's brains.
And there was all these ads, like, smiley people afterwards, happy people afterwards.
Just scramble your fucking brain with an iron rod that they pushed through your eyeball.
The eldest Kennedy daughter.
Wow.
jamie vernon
on the Special Olympics.
joe rogan
Wow.
Yeah, man.
Dude, brains are just like everything else.
It's just like some people have bad livers.
In their search for cures, okay, in November 1941, Mr. Kennedy arranged to have a lobotomy performed on Rosemary.
It was immediately clear that the operation had drastically failed.
Rosemary had lost most of her ability to walk or talk.
Her personality had been forever altered, and she was left physically disabled.
After being released from the hospital, Rosemary was immediately institutionalized.
jamie vernon
There's a story I've read about the doctor.
There's like one doctor who was doing a lot of the lobotomies.
He was traveling around to all the asylums.
joe rogan
Yeah, I read about that guy.
He loved it.
He loved scrambling brains.
I mean, what a fucking, like...
Remember when you used to whack the TV to get the signal to come in?
People don't know.
Like, we would be watching TV, you'd be watching like a baseball game, and you'd go, you know, what the fuck?
You'd smack the TV, and it would come back in, yeah, you got it!
Like, that's how bad electronics were back then.
You would smack the TV, and sometimes it would fix it.
Like, sometimes it was like going up, it was just like, blip, blip, the screen would go up, and you just whack the side of it, and it would stay still.
Remember those days?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was their version of fixing brains.
It was just like whacking a TV. They're just like, let's just scramble his brains!
And they're going through your eyeball.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh!
joe rogan
That's what they go through.
They pull your eyeball aside.
Yeah, they pull your eyeballs, excuse me, out of the way.
I gotta shove a metal rod in there, and just, they get in the brain, they get in your frontal lobe, and just go like this.
unidentified
Stop.
tony hinchcliffe
No.
unidentified
Yeah, that's how it goes.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, God.
joe rogan
Bro.
Imagine thinking that's a good idea.
I know how to fix it, everybody.
What was, like, the most successful lobotomy?
Did anybody get a lobotomy and, like, wow, that one fucking worked?
Like, is there?
Is there?
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Google what's the most successful lobotomy.
unidentified
I thought it would be like someone came out a genius afterwards.
joe rogan
Yeah, somebody came out the most amazing guy.
tony hinchcliffe
No way.
joe rogan
No way.
tony hinchcliffe
Ow.
joe rogan
But there has to be one, like, best case scenario.
Like, this might work.
Like, one guy, maybe they only scrambled him a little.
You know, like, Roseanne got hit by a car, became a great comedian.
Kennison, hit by a car, became a great comedian.
Like, there's a little bit of brain damage not bad for you.
tony hinchcliffe
Little bit, yeah.
joe rogan
Just a touch.
Just a thud.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Just a little bit.
tony hinchcliffe
Everybody needs a little bit.
unidentified
A little bit?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just a little bit.
unidentified
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
I had so many wrestling in high school.
jamie vernon
The last person who had one died in 1967. That's when they were like, enough.
joe rogan
I barely missed that.
If I was born in 57, I would have got lobotomized.
jamie vernon
Antipsychotic medication.
joe rogan
If I was born in 57 with the wrong parents, 100% they would scramble his brains.
Or, if I was born with the wrong parents, they would have put me on Prozac, for sure.
For sure, they would have put me on some sort of ADHD medicine.
jamie vernon
This is the best I'm getting is their claims of improvement.
joe rogan
They reported 63% of their patients had improved while 24% saw no change and 14% became worse.
That guy looks pretty good afterwards.
The beginning looks like he's like taking a horrible shit.
Like, oh God!
And the afterwards he's like, I get it now.
jamie vernon
They were just like, they were agitated before and then afterwards they were smiling.
tony hinchcliffe
Smiling.
joe rogan
Yeah, so some, it worked.
But it seems like a very crude idea.
Maybe, you know, now, oh that one's a weird one.
Now when they cut the top of that dude's head off.
unidentified
Oof.
joe rogan
Oof.
That was a rough one.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
They're going through the nose on that lady.
tony hinchcliffe
That guy's wearing a muscle shirt.
unidentified
No, that's her eye.
jamie vernon
That's her eye.
joe rogan
That's her eye?
Oh, Christ.
I hope she's out cold.
tony hinchcliffe
Why don't those guys have sleeves?
joe rogan
Yeah, they probably...
The way everyone's holding her hand, she might not have been out.
Oh, they probably barely put people out back then.
Eh, they're fucking crazy.
jamie vernon
You could probably watch videos of some of this.
joe rogan
Oh, don't make me watch videos of it.
Alright, here we go.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, he says.
Prefrontal lobotomy.
Psychological cinema.
Prefrontal lobotomy and chronic schizophrenia from the psychiatric department.
jamie vernon
Oh.
joe rogan
So this is the lady.
Female, age 25. Can you say?
State hospital patient for four years.
Failure to improve after several courses of both insulin and convulsive shock.
Wow, the shock therapy back then.
Showing antagonistic hostility reaction in seclusion quarters prior to bilateral prefrontal lobotomy.
tony hinchcliffe
Bilateral.
joe rogan
Oh, bilateral.
Bilateral prefrontal lobotomy.
They're like, this bitch is so crazy.
We're going to give her a double dose.
She seems like someone in the audience that killed Tony like a regular person.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, she's not bad.
joe rogan
Two months post-operative, now friendly and cooperative, entering into occupational and recreational activities.
Let's see what she looks like now.
jamie vernon
Oh, this is going to other people.
joe rogan
Oh, to other people.
Oh, there she is now.
Now she's all laughing because her fucking brain scrambled.
Now our hair's all fucked up.
jamie vernon
It's crazy though that your brain can be scrambled and you can still function.
Like that seems to...
joe rogan
Well, you barely function.
But that's the thing, like people have been shot in the head and they lose like half their head and they still talk.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
There's a lot of weird stuff that happens to people with their brain.
Your brain, when one part of your brain gets damaged, the other part of your brain seems to have an ability to recover.
There's this one guy, see if you can find this story, this one guy Developed fluid in his brain when he was young and they drained it so they installed some sort of a thing that drained the fluid from his brain and Once they did that as he got older he got another MRI and they realized his brain was missing He only had the outside area of the brain and he had like a 75 IQ But he was fully functioning with the entire center of his
brain gone You see the MRI, you're like, what in the fuck?
The guy has no brain.
You know, like, oh, that fucking guy has no brain.
That's him.
He actually has no brain.
Like, you gotta leave him alone.
It's not his fault.
It's literally gone.
So he developed some sort of fluid, and they put something in there, and I forget where it drained to, but then, over time, you know, his symptoms went away, but his brain went away, too.
Like, whatever that fluid was in his brain, it was like, took over the whole brain.
tony hinchcliffe
Ugh.
Oh God.
joe rogan
See if you can find that.
jamie vernon
It's called hydrocephalus when there's brain, too much cerebral fluid, cerebrospinal fluid, excess cerebrospinal fluid.
joe rogan
Yeah, this dude had no brain.
how different parts of your brain just make up for what's missing.
Your brain sort of figures it out and says, okay.
You know what else they found?
Playing 3D video games increases gray matter in your brain.
It's like a recent study.
tony hinchcliffe
That's a good thing?
joe rogan
Yes.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It increases your, like, three-dimensional video games actually increase some gray matter in your brain in some way.
And they're not saying, like, people aren't encouraged.
See, the thing about video games is people always want to say, don't do it.
You're wasting your life if you do video.
I say it.
You're wasting your life if you do video games.
unidentified
However...
joe rogan
They're awesome.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're awesome.
Are you really wasting your life or are you doing something fucking awesome?
You're wasting your life if you do it only.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
But if you want to do it good, you got to do it a lot.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you want to really fucking murder people in Call of Duty, you got to be on that bitch every day.
You got to get the moves down.
You got to figure out how to aim.
That's the guy.
jamie vernon
Is it the same case?
joe rogan
Scientist research man missing 90% of his brain who leads a normal life.
Yeah, that's the dude.
44 year old French man started experiencing weakness in his legs.
He went to the hospital and the doctors told him he was missing most of his brain.
The man's skull was full of fluid with just a thin layer of brain tissue left.
The condition is known as hydrocephalus.
He was living a normal life.
He has a family.
He works.
His IQ was tested at the time.
Complaint came by 84. 84!
Was slightly below normal range.
This person is not bright, but perfectly socially apt.
Clearmans is a cognitive psychologist at the University of Libre in Brussels.
When he learned about the case, which first described in The Lancet in 2007, he saw a medical miracle, but also a major challenge to theories about consciousness.
This dude is missing 90% of his fucking brain.
unidentified
Is that the guy?
joe rogan
Get that guy on Kill Tony now.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Imagine if you wrote for him.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
How many...
This guy's actually...
You put a photo of his brain up on the screen and explain that this guy's literally up here with no brain.
tony hinchcliffe
Going back to the brain damage, making people funny thing, we have a new regular, as of yesterday, and it was only his second night ever on the show, Drew Nickens, who was bullied by his own military partners.
And I don't know what they did to him, something head trauma-wise, that he didn't really want to get into.
But, he's so fucking funny.
Like, he's just naturally the most likable, funniest fucking...
joe rogan
Was he funny before the head injury?
tony hinchcliffe
I don't know.
That's a good question.
joe rogan
Does he know?
Like, how aware is he when you're talking to him?
tony hinchcliffe
Very.
joe rogan
So he's all there.
You talk to him.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
joe rogan
But he has brain damage.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know how many people I know with brain damage?
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, yeah.
You are the beekeeper of people with brain damage.
joe rogan
I know a lot of people with various stages of brain damage.
You know?
jamie vernon
It says, update to the brain.
joe rogan
Rather than 90% of this man's brain being missing, it's more likely that it's simply been compressed into the thin layer that you can see in the images above.
jamie vernon
Which is...
joe rogan
Compressed.
So the brain has different density?
I mean, if it's like Jell-O. Can you make your brain like you can make your quads?
Fucking dense.
You know, some people have mushy quads.
Some people have quads that you can fucking jump on top of a huge box.
Maybe you can make your brain like that.
Super connective.
Maybe video games is the way you do it.
Find that study.
Because that's crazy.
tony hinchcliffe
Speaking of brain damage, did you see the UFC put out a clip of Sugar Sean landing that knee on Cheeto Vera without any commentary?
joe rogan
Bro, Cheeto Vera has a chin that's made out of Wolverine bones.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh my god.
joe rogan
His chin is insane.
tony hinchcliffe
It sounds like somebody hitting a wooden baseball bat against another wooden baseball bat.
joe rogan
Not only that, his head snaps back.
All the way back.
I mean, by the way, it might be the most perfectly timed knee I've ever seen.
Here it is.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Bro, Sugar Sean is a fucking assassin.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, bro.
joe rogan
That cat is an assassin.
tony hinchcliffe
Sitting next to him the whole time before that roast, because that thing went on for two hours before I got up there, and there's nobody I would have rather have sat next to.
joe rogan
Right.
A guy who's calm under pressure.
tony hinchcliffe
Exactly.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Exactly.
And he turned to me at one point and goes, dude, I don't know what it is.
It's like 20 minutes before our thing.
Ron Burgundy was up just up there killing and we were like all kids laughing for a second.
And he goes, dude, I don't know what's going on, man, but I'm nervous as fuck and it's you going up there.
He goes, are you nervous?
And I'm such a cornball.
I told him how I really felt.
And I go, I'm probably exactly how you were right before the Cheeto fight right now.
Like, all the work I've ever done has come to this point.
And he goes, calm.
I go, calm.
joe rogan
Calm.
If you've done the work.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you haven't done the work, it's anxiety.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
It's a rotten fear.
Like, you gotta really do the work if you're gonna do something big.
Whatever it is.
And I've done that before, where I did the work, and it feels so much different, because I've also done it where I kind of fucked off, and then you're like, ooh, I didn't do my best.
tony hinchcliffe
The live aspect made it crazy.
I mean, I'm looking at the three stairs that I had to go up.
joe rogan
Don't trip.
tony hinchcliffe
I keep glancing at them, and they're at an angle, you know, and they're not like that well-lit, and they're kind of long and not that tall, so I knew I had to look.
I had to study them.
The little things like that.
joe rogan
Did you see what Andrew Schultz was saying about Kim Kardashian?
That she was like completely disconnected.
That she just sat up there like this.
She sat straight the entire time.
Like was completely unaffected and completely disconnected.
Even when she was getting shit on.
tony hinchcliffe
She kind of giggled along.
I was watching her.
joe rogan
Performative or real?
tony hinchcliffe
I think kind of real.
The whole thing was very robotic.
She brought like four sixes with her, which I thought was hilarious, because like even at that level, even a super hot chick.
joe rogan
You don't want to bring up some other super hot chick.
tony hinchcliffe
Exactly.
So she was just at a table of sixes, just this ten with sixes.
joe rogan
There you go.
tony hinchcliffe
Like a good poker hand.
Four sixes and a ten.
joe rogan
Have you ever watched that show, her show?
tony hinchcliffe
No, not really.
joe rogan
My wife watches it in the gym.
Sometimes she gets in the gym before me and I have to watch this shit.
It's amazing that it's a show.
It's basically like, let's go get some gum.
I went to this thing and I had a talk.
You should fill your dreams and go for it.
Okay.
And then back in the limo, shiny L.A. It's all like smash cuts to different scenes.
Like the scenery of L.A. is kind of like half of the show.
It's like, you know, like overhead views, the palm trees, the beach, you know, and then they're like, what are we doing for dinner?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But they look pretty.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
They look pretty.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, Ozempic's doing them all good.
joe rogan
You think that's what it is?
tony hinchcliffe
Oh yeah.
Everybody's on it now.
Everybody that can be on it's on it.
joe rogan
Brian Simpson had a real bad reaction to it.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
Well, Brian Simpson's made of bread.
You can't just inject Ozempic into bread and then expect the bread to just disappear.
joe rogan
He was the one guy that did the carnivore diet with us and just like, I'm a little suspicious.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, yeah.
Sneaky.
Sneaky little devil.
We were busting his balls all the time.
He'd have food delivered to come out.
He'd have food deliveries come up to the green room and he'd be like, God damn it, they put bread on this sandwich.
Me and Derek and Hassan, the looks that we would give each other, the fucking holding in secret fucking laughs, nuclear capacity fucking laughter all the time.
They're like, why'd you order it with the bread?
He's like, because if you don't order it with the bread, they don't put all the things on there.
There's no containment system, so I order it with the bread and take off the bread.
joe rogan
Sure.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Take that bread with you and eat it later.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, man.
joe rogan
It's part of the fun of Brian Simpson, though.
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
And he gets these super breaded chicken wings.
Oh, it's so fun.
I don't know what it is with me and fat jokes.
I just...
I've always just...
I just can't get enough of it.
I just love it.
It's always been my number one, like, roasting specialty, if anybody's ever big.
Oh, my God.
It's just...
I don't know.
joe rogan
Oh, with David Lucas, you have a never-ending supply.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Depending upon what he's wearing.
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
It's amazing.
Post Malone got him good because he went after Post Malone at the forum in the arena and he was wearing a camo shirt and Post just fucking grabbed that microphone, put it right up to his mouth and goes, you're the only guy in camo that the people all the way in the back of the arena can see.
You got a standing O on David Lucas.
David Lucas got lit up in LA by the guests, which I love, because it's fun for me to step back and get to root for these guys.
Harland is a monster.
joe rogan
Harland is so silly.
This snake on the table, this is his tapeworm that he pulled out of his pants at the end of the episode.
He calls it Dimitri.
tony hinchcliffe
Pfft.
joe rogan
He said he had a tapeworm.
He got a tapeworm.
Where did he say he was?
jamie vernon
He started the show.
joe rogan
He ate a rat somewhere.
jamie vernon
Oh, a...
tony hinchcliffe
Montupichu?
jamie vernon
It was something I thought didn't think existed, and it did exist.
joe rogan
Yeah, he ate some rat in some foreign country.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, he is unbelievable.
Him and David went back and forth for like 10 minutes.
It felt like straight...
And every single blow.
I told Jeff Ross and Brian Moses, all the roast battle guys, after that night, because there was a festival going on, so we were all hanging out after we would all do our separate things that night.
I told them all.
I go, the best roast battle that's ever happened just happened, and it Wasn't with you guys.
It was on Kill Tony.
And they're like, what?
Who?
David Lucas versus Harland Williams, of all people.
Because Harland's silliness cannot be cut through.
It makes him immediately totally undodgeable.
If you call him old, he calls you a bitch.
If you call him anything, he just rolls with it and jujitsus it into his own retort.
It's indescribable.
I wish I could remember more of the moments.
Yeah.
But he's like, you know, David's just reaching for anything.
One part was just, you old ass bitch.
Because David's just getting beat.
So he's getting piled on.
So he's not even writing at this point.
His brain is just on the defensive.
He goes, you old ass bitch.
Because he knows Harlan just got him.
And Harlan, without any hesitation, goes, you're my bitch tonight.
And so for every punch, there's a counterpunch.
And it was magic.
Magic.
Magic.
It's unbelievable in the moment.
You can't prep for it.
You cannot write for it.
Or else it comes out clunky and you're trying to recall.
And that pause, that hesitation that happens in roast battle that doesn't necessarily happen in a parking lot roast battle or on a Keltony with David and Harlan, just heavyweights going back and forth.
Those recalls aren't there.
It's just flow state.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
And it's magical.
joe rogan
When he said that Post Malone looks like an unemployed crocodile hunter.
unidentified
It's just like the perfect line.
joe rogan
The perfect line.
I'm telling you, you guys, I've been saying this forever, but you really need to do it.
The two of you should do a show together.
You really should.
There's no reason why you don't.
You guys should do a podcast, even if you do it once a week for an hour, you guys both talking shit to each other and talking shit about things.
Because the chemistry of the two of you together is so unique.
And it brings out the best in David.
It brings out the David that I want to see when he goes on stage.
I want to see the same guy that is in the heat of roast battle, or heat of battling with you on Kill Tony.
Bring that everywhere.
That same energy.
tony hinchcliffe
We're working on some really fun things now, actually.
joe rogan
What are you working on?
tony hinchcliffe
There's a series that is actually in development right now that's cool, but I'm really excited about this movie idea that He just had a big meeting about where I'm a principal and he's a fat gym teacher and there's a bunch of they-thims at the school and then there's a school shooting and we have to protect the they-thims and all this stuff and there's just all these vessels and setups for everything.
We can just do everything that we've ever done but actually implement it into a...
A modern type of ridiculous comedy.
joe rogan
So if you did that, where would you do it?
Like, who would you do it with?
tony hinchcliffe
Where?
joe rogan
Yeah, like, you want to have the most amount of creative control over something like that.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
If you're gonna do it.
And it's gonna be hard.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's gonna be hard.
It's gonna be...
Maybe Netflix would do it.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Netflix would probably be the best place to do it.
They'll probably take the most chances.
tony hinchcliffe
Exactly.
joe rogan
Especially after the Tom Brady roast, which was the most watched thing on Netflix ever.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Ever.
And it's wild comedy, which is so good for comedy, man.
That roast was so good for comedy.
tony hinchcliffe
Huge.
Absolutely huge.
And it's just wild because...
Everybody wants that.
And talk about, you know, there was a lot of re-watching of that.
People watched it, and then they went and wanted to show their uncles or their dads or their whatever.
You know, they wanted to see their reactions to it.
So it's being watched multiple times on top of the actual numbers that we know.
joe rogan
Right.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
You know, you can't share Netflix stuff like we were talking about earlier with YouTube, but you can re-watch it with people.
joe rogan
How many people have Netflix accounts?
Like, how many Netflix accounts are there?
tony hinchcliffe
I think it's like a...
joe rogan
Let's Google it.
Take a guess.
How many things?
Worldwide, it's got to be like hundreds.
tony hinchcliffe
I think it's 200 million about...
unidentified
Worldwide?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Let's find out.
What?
269 million subscribers.
And how much does it cost a month?
Depends?
What's the high end?
20 bucks.
And what's the low end?
jamie vernon
I think it's like ad-supported for $2.99.
joe rogan
Oh really?
That's not a bad deal.
Because you can just skip the ads.
You can only watch it for a couple seconds.
jamie vernon
Use them to pee.
There's standard with ads, standard, and premium.
Standard with ads is $6.99.
Standard is $15.99.
joe rogan
What's the difference between standard and premium?
jamie vernon
The number of devices you can watch at one time.
Ultra HD is available on premium and full HD is only on standard.
You can download to a different number of devices with premium.
And you can add an extra member who does not live with you.
joe rogan
The download's big if you're on a plane.
You need the download.
tony hinchcliffe
Huge.
joe rogan
I've never been on a plane that you can watch a movie on.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
Never.
Sometimes they have good Wi-Fi and you can actually almost watch a YouTube video, which is every now and then it spins and it comes back on, but most of the time not.
You know, they're not really ready for that yet.
I wonder if that'll change with Starlink.
You know, I wonder if they'll hook up Starlink to planes.
tony hinchcliffe
Dude, we saw Starlink the other night.
Have you seen it go over?
unidentified
I have not.
tony hinchcliffe
Like in the sky?
joe rogan
I have not.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, it's the craziest fucking thing.
joe rogan
People think it's a UFO. It's insane.
tony hinchcliffe
It's like a bunch of stars.
Well, like...
joe rogan
They get it in the Amazon now.
But there was an article that I sent to...
Oh, here we go.
Remote Amazon Tribe connects Elon Musk's darling internet becomes hooked on porn and social media.
Yeah, I was...
I shared this with Paul Rosalie.
So there's a bunch of people that are like very concerned about this because they're seeing their kids like staring at phones now.
And they're also seeing kids that want to leave the tribe and go out into the regular world.
When it arrived, everyone was happy.
Whoa, say that name.
Sainama Maruba, 73, told the New York Times, but now things have gotten worse.
Young people have gotten lazy because of the internet, she explained.
They're learning the ways of the white people.
Wow, that's crazy.
tony hinchcliffe
They just call us lazy, dude?
joe rogan
Yes.
tony hinchcliffe
Damn.
joe rogan
The white people.
Well, you know, there's a lot of us that are lazy.
What does it say?
Remote Tribe in Brazil become bitterly divided nine months after gaining access to satellite internet.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
2,000 people.
jamie vernon
I guess it's here, like in the middle.
joe rogan
Wow.
Right below Peru.
Yeah.
I don't know how I feel about that.
tony hinchcliffe
I want to know what kind of porn they're watching.
joe rogan
Everything.
They probably can't believe it.
These white ladies, fake lips, just sucking dicks.
Initially, the internet was heralded as a positive for the remote tribe who were able to quickly contact authorities for help with emergencies, including potentially deadly snake bites.
It's already saved lives.
And Roke Maruba.
All Maruba use the same last name.
Oh, wow.
They're all like the same people.
How do you know if you're having sex with your cousin then?
tony hinchcliffe
They have the same last name.
joe rogan
But they're all the same last name.
jamie vernon
They're probably cousins.
joe rogan
The whole thing has the same last name.
There's 2,000 people.
You know that North Sentinel Island?
The story about that guy who was the missionary who went there and got killed?
There's only 39 people there.
So they're all related to each other.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
So, at this point, they might not even be able to go help those people.
Like, imagine if you just stepped in and say, hey, we're going to establish schools and clinics, and like, who knows what's going on with them.
60,000 years of people living on one island, and there's only 39 of them left.
And you can't go there.
unidentified
They'll kill you.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
They'll fucking kill you the moment you get off your boat.
They tried to kill a bunch of people.
There was a bunch of people that had abandoned a boat that ran ashore.
They got rescued, and as they were getting rescued, the North Sentinel people were headed on boats to them to kill them.
unidentified
Oof.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, God.
Frightening.
joe rogan
Imagine if they're, like, mentally challenged.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right, we don't know.
We really don't know.
No one's interviewing them.
Like, what are they like?
You know, have you ever seen that show, Soft White Underbelly?
tony hinchcliffe
No.
joe rogan
It's a great show on YouTube, but I have the guy on who's the host of it.
And one of the things that he's done is document this family in West Virginia that's like severely inbred.
Severely.
Like the man, the older man, all he does is bark.
He doesn't talk.
He just barks.
You have to see this.
You have to see this.
I think we'll have to edit it out, right?
I don't know.
We'll see.
If we get a strike.
But go to visit SoftWhiteUnderbelly on YouTube.
It's not just that.
He interviews all kinds of crazy people from all walks of life.
It's a very interesting show.
So these people are the Whitakers in West Virginia.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh.
I'm gonna love this.
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Listen to this though.
That's the guy.
They're all inbred.
Look, all of them.
Look at her.
unidentified
So what are your names?
Ray, Lorraine, Timmy.
I'm sorry, who is this?
His name's Ray.
Ray.
I remember Ray.
I photographed you, Ray.
Do you remember?
Years ago.
joe rogan
He barks.
unidentified
And your name is?
Lorraine.
mark laita
Lorraine and Timmy.
unidentified
Yeah.
mark laita
Now you guys grew up here in Odd, West Virginia.
unidentified
How many years have you lived here?
joe rogan
All my life.
unidentified
Did you go to school?
You did?
Some of your brothers and sisters probably didn't go to school?
How much schooling did they get?
You graduated from what?
We went to high school, Timmy?
Yeah, he went to high school all day.
joe rogan
Is that good?
Yeah, that's good enough.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Whoa.
He's been there twice.
He's visited them twice.
The show's incredible.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, and this guy, you know, like, Just imagine encountering these people.
What do you do?
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That was the photographs you took of them a long time ago.
tony hinchcliffe
Man, do not run out of gas around there.
joe rogan
Oh, dude.
You're fucked.
You're fucked.
There's some parts of this country that are literally like the movie Deliverance.
That's real.
You go through the Appalachias.
You take a wrong turn.
Run out of gas.
Start walking for help.
It gets dark out.
You literally see a flaming cross?
unidentified
Jesus.
Fuck.
joe rogan
You stumble upon a KKK meeting?
Maybe you got a Spanish last name?
So you gotta throw your driver's license in the woods?
jamie vernon
It's in the middle, too.
Like, right...
joe rogan
Oh, boy.
jamie vernon
Right next to Bar in West Virginia.
joe rogan
Oh, my God, dude.
There ain't shit out there.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh my god.
jamie vernon
There's a Baptist church down the street.
joe rogan
Oh, of course there is.
There's another church, another Baptist church.
jamie vernon
That's all that shows up.
joe rogan
It's all just churches.
People just...
Listen, man, if you live in a place like that, church is the best fucking thing going.
You know?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think church for a lot of people is like the green room for us.
It's a place you go to see the community, you recharge, you love everybody.
And then you decide you're going to be a good person.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're going to try to do your best.
You're going to try to make a bunch of people laugh.
You're going to try to become a good Christian.
unidentified
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
I was re-watching There Will Be Blood recently.
Those church scenes.
I mean, fucking unbelievable.
joe rogan
That movie's insane.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, it's so good.
joe rogan
That's all Bakersfield.
That's all that area of the Tachapi's.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, they were filming that when they were filming No Country for Old Men.
joe rogan
Really?
tony hinchcliffe
At the exact same time.
And No Country for Old Men had to stop shooting one day because the black smoke from their will-be-blood was messing up their background.
unidentified
Wow.
tony hinchcliffe
Isn't that crazy?
joe rogan
That's crazy.
tony hinchcliffe
Two of the last great non-Tarantino movies.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
And they were filmed at the same time, came out at the same time, up for the same awards.
joe rogan
Bangers.
tony hinchcliffe
Bangers.
joe rogan
Did one of them not win Movie of the Year?
Because that's crazy.
tony hinchcliffe
Well, one of them had to not win.
It's weird that they all plank up against each other.
joe rogan
Isn't that nuts?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't like the Academy of...
Excuse me.
I don't like the Academy Awards.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
No.
Me neither.
It doesn't make sense.
joe rogan
I don't like awards for art.
I think it distorts the whole thing.
I mean, on one hand, it gives the films a lot of recognition and it helps people do other cool projects and it helps more great movies get made.
And you get to showcase great actors and they get rewarded.
So people want to become a great actress.
They can get an award.
But at the end of the day, man, like the number one and the number one movie is like, why?
Why?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
So just say what you love, why you loved it.
What's great about it is the way.
But unless we have a...
We're so competitive, we want a contest.
tony hinchcliffe
Totally.
And it doesn't make sense, because it's like, oh, Forrest Gump's an Academy Award winning movie, and Pulp Fiction, and Shawshank Redemption are not.
Only because they coincidentally came out in the same year.
Crazy.
If it went 92, 93, 94, they would all be winners, without a doubt.
joe rogan
Maybe.
There's a lot of bangers in the early 90s.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, that's true.
unidentified
You can get away with a lot more.
tony hinchcliffe
92 at Goodfellas, too.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
They could get away with a lot more back then.
They could do more stuff.
tony hinchcliffe
Well, I mean, they were fucking creative.
They weren't scared.
unidentified
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
The network notes kill things nowadays.
joe rogan
Well, it's not just the network notes.
It's like all the executives and all the people behind the scenes, they're all, like, captured by this ideology.
And they're real careful about how they do things and what they do.
It's like they get really scared.
tony hinchcliffe
The executives fuck it up.
I have a...
Someone that told me that Many Saints of Newark from David Chase was supposed to be quite different.
joe rogan
I'm sure.
tony hinchcliffe
And it came from the top and notes for David Chase, who is a monster.
I mean, I still, I probably brought this up here before, but I still, to this day, and I laughed about it to myself just a couple nights ago, there I am, glancing through.
I blasted through the new season of The Jinx, which is fucking unbelievable, on HBO. One of my favorite murder documentaries ever, the crazy-ass Robert Durst.
And then there I am, just, yep, nothing.
Here we go.
Rewatching The Sopranos for the 5,000th time.
And it's every fucking time better than the last.
It's unbelievable.
There's so many things that I still am like, oh my god, I never noticed that.
joe rogan
Well, it's also one of those shows that, you know, so many things happened, you can go back and watch it again.
tony hinchcliffe
And the acting's absolutely insane.
Gandolfini in his prime.
Lane Bracco in her prime.
Edie Falco steals it somehow.
The mom steals it.
There's times where she can...
joe rogan
Wait, Edie Falco's not the mom.
She's Soprano's wife.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, that's what I meant.
I'm talking about the kid's mom.
joe rogan
Remember when the mom died and they replaced her with CGI and it looked really fake?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, that part's crazy.
That's the episode that I watched the other night.
I was just coincidentally on...
joe rogan
They should have never did that.
tony hinchcliffe
Season 3, episode 1 or 2, I think.
joe rogan
They should redo that like they redid Star Wars.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
You know how they redid Yoda?
They made Yoda CGI? Yeah.
Which they fucked it up.
But they should do that with the mom.
tony hinchcliffe
It wasn't that bad.
joe rogan
It was bad.
tony hinchcliffe
Look, it's not that terrible.
joe rogan
It looks so fake.
tony hinchcliffe
It just looks fake compared to them.
joe rogan
There was something about her head moved weird.
tony hinchcliffe
It's coming up.
There's a part where she reacts.
joe rogan
That part.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
unidentified
Fucking nothing.
Now look here.
I don't like that kind of talk.
joe rogan
Look, her head's not moving.
Yeah, that's what it is.
Our head's frozen.
It didn't look as fake as I remembered.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
jamie vernon
Was it like a deep fake back then?
joe rogan
That was as good as it gets.
That probably cost a million dollars to do.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who knows what that cost?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
But why did they do that?
Why didn't they just have her, we found out she's dead?
Why don't they just get a phone call?
tony hinchcliffe
Because they had to put one last bit of closure on it right there.
They find out that she never filled out the books that Carmella, his wife, got her for the kids because she felt guilty.
Or she felt like, no one will read my book.
So it's one last her unloading her guilt.
She dies that episode.
She dies right after that.
He goes out, smokes a cigar by the pool, comes in.
The kids and his wife are there.
And he's like, what's going on?
Your mom passed away.
And so then...
Oh, God.
I mean, it's just crazy how...
I mean, this series changed everything.
It still doesn't get the...
Changed TV. Totally changed TV. Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, Fargo, all these great series that came after it would not have happened if it wasn't for David Chase and The Sopranos.
joe rogan
I agree.
Yeah.
It changed what was possible because it became an enormous movie.
Instead of it being a show where they wrap up the story each week, everything ties into the next episode.
You're glued to your seat.
You can't wait for Sunday, like whenever it was.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Was it Sunday?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're like, when is Sunday coming around?
tony hinchcliffe
Oh my God.
joe rogan
I mean, it was the first show that people were just absolutely riveted and addicted to.
And it was about a guy who was a murderer.
And somehow or another, you're rooting for the murderer.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
joe rogan
He was mean.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
He killed his friend.
Like, there's a lot of crazy shit, and he's still the good guy.
tony hinchcliffe
Kills his own cousins.
unidentified
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Two of the main characters, Steve Buscemi and Michael Imperioli.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Spoiler alert.
tony hinchcliffe
Well, I mean, yeah.
joe rogan
The Christopher Moltisanti murder was the craziest one.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Because the way he did it was just like, jeez.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's so ruthless.
tony hinchcliffe
But, it kind of also made sense.
I mean, from his perspective, if he would have let him keep going, he could have killed his own kid.
That's the part, because he glances back and he sees the branch in the baby seat.
And he knows that Christopher, he admits to him right then, I'm on drugs, I'm on a pop, you need to say you're driving.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Which is their ongoing thing for seasons, is you gotta get off the drugs.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
And so, I mean, shocking as all hell for us viewers at the time.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know the other one of those?
Was it Pauly that killed his girlfriend?
Who killed his girlfriend?
Remember in the end when they went chasing after him in the woods?
You fucking cunt.
And he's like, he's gonna kill her with a gun.
And she realizes he's gonna kill her.
unidentified
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And she runs.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he murders her.
tony hinchcliffe
That was Silvio.
joe rogan
Silvio, that's right.
tony hinchcliffe
Who plays guitar for Bruce Springsteen's band.
But yeah, she never saw it coming.
unidentified
That was so creepy.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, that's creepy.
unidentified
That was so creepy.
tony hinchcliffe
Because that's real, like, insider.
joe rogan
You've known that lady your whole life.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
joe rogan
You've known that lady your whole life.
Now you're chasing her with a pistol, calling her a cunt.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
joe rogan
And you're gonna kill her.
And she realizes you're gonna kill her and she's screaming.
tony hinchcliffe
In that world, if you talk to the government...
Especially back then.
It's cold.
It's just as cold as ice.
It's the one thing you can't do.
So all their friendship...
joe rogan
What a fucking show.
tony hinchcliffe
It's incredible.
And every fucking episode is better than literally almost anything else out there.
That's the crazy part.
I can't stop re-watching it.
It's just the funniest ongoing game on my fucking...
My bedroom television thinks I'm a psycho.
joe rogan
Well, it's one of those shows that, like, then we realize what's possible.
So it raises the bar for everybody else.
And then, you know, Game of Thrones is like the next one.
It was another one where you're like...
And then that one was even crazier because you got fucking dragons and insane special effects and...
The CGI had kind of caught up with everything, especially with the new one, the new Game of Thrones.
The CGI is off the charts, but how long does that take to make?
The new one was over a year ago.
When is the next season of, what is it called, the new one called?
House of Dragons?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
When is the new House of Dragons come out?
unidentified
Two weeks.
Two weeks?
joe rogan
Holy shit, dude.
That's perfect.
tony hinchcliffe
Let's go.
joe rogan
Because I'm wrapping up The Gentleman.
I only have one more episode of The Gentleman.
tony hinchcliffe
What's The Gentleman?
joe rogan
Oh, you don't know.
It's the new Guy Ritchie series on Netflix.
It's the same...
Did you ever see the movie The Gentleman?
tony hinchcliffe
No.
joe rogan
The movie is fucking awesome.
The movie is like Matthew McConaughey, and it's about weed dealers.
And it's like this organized crime weed movie.
And this just follows that.
It just is a different branch of that world, but it's fucking amazing.
It's such a good show.
tony hinchcliffe
I tried that Samurai one you recommended, but there was a Kill Bill moment, a ripoff of Kill Bill, and I just couldn't.
joe rogan
What was the ripoff?
tony hinchcliffe
There's a part where they're doing the walkout, and it's like frame for frame, a ripoff of Lucy Liu's walkout when she's arriving to that place.
I just hate...
It just drives me crazy how many people and how many things...
joe rogan
Our derivative.
tony hinchcliffe
Take from...
joe rogan
Yeah, but Tarantino did that a lot, you know?
tony hinchcliffe
Well, yeah.
joe rogan
That was part of...
But it was an homage.
It's an homage to these films.
tony hinchcliffe
Exactly.
joe rogan
Wasn't Reservoir Dogs like an homage to another Chinese film?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
Yeah, I can't remember the name of it, but yeah.
A lot of his things are, but when they do it to him, it's just different.
joe rogan
That's funny.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's funny.
It's interesting to do that in a historical novel turned into a show, like Shogun.
I didn't notice it, but I love the show.
The show's incredible.
The show's really well done.
Shogun's really well done.
It's fucking riveting.
I love it.
tony hinchcliffe
A lot of people told me that past episode one is when it gets cooking.
I just couldn't.
I don't know.
joe rogan
It's very good, dude.
If you give it a shot, it's very good.
But if I was going to recommend some, I'd say The Gentleman.
Watch that.
The show is so crazy.
It's so crazy.
So much wild shit happens.
It's just like, Jesus.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I think they're going to do a season two.
tony hinchcliffe
You never caught up with the jinx, huh?
joe rogan
No.
Never caught up with it.
tony hinchcliffe
You never watched season one?
joe rogan
Nope.
I knew what happened.
I remember the story.
You know, it's one of those things like I've never watched The Wire.
It just got away from me.
tony hinchcliffe
Me neither.
Totally.
joe rogan
The Wire is awesome.
Everybody talks about it.
Bourdain was always raving about it.
Jamie loved it.
I never watched it.
jamie vernon
I can't hear you guys talk about Sopranos without screaming it in my head.
I'm like, you guys haven't seen this, though.
joe rogan
Is The Wire better?
jamie vernon
I can't say it's better.
I wouldn't say it's better.
joe rogan
Say it, bitch.
This is the Academy Awards.
Somebody gets the Oscar.
Who gets it?
jamie vernon
It came after, so like...
joe rogan
Who gets the fucking awards?
Stop trying to, like, dodge the question.
jamie vernon
I would argue The Sopranos did, but I don't like it.
I don't personally like it better.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
Why do you think...
unidentified
I don't know.
jamie vernon
I don't like Breaking Bad either.
I really didn't get into it.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Really?
jamie vernon
I watched it after The Wire, so I started to watch it.
I'm like, fuck.
It's limited by not being a level of real, because they're censoring themselves a little bit.
It just felt...
I couldn't get into it.
The Wire is so hyper-realistic, is the word you use, so much when it's talked about.
It's really cool to watch.
joe rogan
Alright, I'm going to get into it this summer.
I'm going to start washing the water this summer.
I'm all filled up until the summer.
I can only watch things a couple nights a week.
I don't have that kind of time.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, same.
Same.
That's why I like the Sopranos.
It's like background noise, and if I'm paying attention, I'm laughing or enthralled.
joe rogan
I have to, like today, if I don't do a certain amount of work, I feel lazy.
It's not a good feeling.
And if I'm just watching too much TV, I feel like I could have gotten so much done.
tony hinchcliffe
Totally.
joe rogan
And I could have gotten a bunch of my little...
I could enjoy shows if I've done what I need to do.
But if I didn't work out that day, I'm not watching TV. I'm gonna feel like a piece of shit.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, unless it's my off day.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, same.
I don't let myself...
Like, I don't have a video game console and I don't play games on my phone.
So when I got back from LA to treat myself, even though I don't even play chess, I downloaded a chess app because my Instagram showed me a finishing chess move.
joe rogan
Dude, you don't know how to play chess?
tony hinchcliffe
Well, I do now.
joe rogan
Okay, because I don't know how to play chess either.
I was saying, maybe we could play chess.
tony hinchcliffe
Well, it's only been a couple weeks and I'm obsessed.
It cut to me last night in bed at 4.30am on my phone playing people around the world in chess.
And it's crazy.
I love it.
joe rogan
Chess is a fun game, obviously.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's just, to me, it's one of those time sucks that I'm scared of.
tony hinchcliffe
Totally.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Just like video games, just like golf.
You obviously know I have a giant pool problem.
Pool is a problem.
I played pool with my friend Tommy in New Jersey on Friday night till 5 in the morning.
The day of the UFC. Went to the hotel room.
I slept till 3 p.m.
Got up, showered, got some food, made it to the arena.
tony hinchcliffe
Golf's a different kind of...
Time waster, though.
It is a little bit of exercise.
The air, the nature, the oxygen of being around the trees and the fresh grass and everything, it hits different.
Being by yourself, too.
It gives you a jolt of energy.
It gives you a crazy amount of energy.
joe rogan
I totally see it, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I get it.
It'd probably be super beneficial for me to pick up golf.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, I'd probably enjoy it.
tony hinchcliffe
Tons of vitamin D. But I can't.
Right.
joe rogan
I'm too busy and I have too many things that I really love.
Like, I already love archery.
I have to practice.
If I don't practice, I don't shoot good.
If I don't shoot good, that's not good.
It's like pool.
You have to stay in stroke.
With archery, you have to stay focused.
You have to stay in tune.
I don't know what the word they would use for.
Just being on.
When you know where that arrow's going.
Just fucking know.
You know?
And it's all at different distances.
Like, any day of the week, you could wake me up at 4 o'clock in the morning, I could hit a bullseye at 20 yards.
But 20 yards is not that, most of the time.
I'll hit in the 9 or 10, right?
But most of the time, like, when you're shooting, you're not going to shoot at 20 yards.
You have to shoot at, like, 40 or 60 or so.
So I practice at, like, 74. I practice at 85 sometimes.
That's a long distance.
It really requires a fine tuning of your feel of the bow.
As you're drawing back and you're centering your pin, there's this zen state where all you can think about is the movement of the arrow.
All you can think about is the correct technique.
All you can think about is how you want that arrow to just sink.
Right into that target.
Perfectly.
The perfect time to release right when the pin is settled over the spot where you want to hit and the arrow just goes.
And you watch it.
And it's magical.
It's like it cleans your mind.
It's like it hoses off all of life's bullshit because it requires everything of you in that one moment.
And I think if you can find anything like that, whatever the fuck it is, whether it's yoga or whatever it is, golf, you find a thing where when you're doing it, it requires all of your concentration.
I think that's like a good flush out of the system.
And I think people who don't have that have a lot of fucking anxiety.
And I think your brain never gets cleaned out.
You need a thing that's almost like a...
You know, people do it through meditation.
They do it through a lot of different ways, but it's like there's a way you're focusing only on one thing that's like super beneficial for some reason.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
No doubt about it.
I went and had to do the hot yoga fucking spaghetti and wagyu meatballs flush the other day.
joe rogan
Did yoga after you had it?
tony hinchcliffe
Well, not right after.
No, but the next day.
The next day I had hot yoga after eating the spaghetti the night before, yeah.
joe rogan
I ate so much with Joey Friday night, I had to force myself to eat Saturday before the fights.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
I was like, I don't want to eat anything.
I took a shit that would, it would astonish people.
It would astonish you that that was all in your body.
Like, that was all in that?
It was astonishing.
The volume.
It's like, where did it go?
Where was that?
How did all that come out of me?
But then I thought about how much I ate.
I ate an enormous amount of food.
They just kept bringing us food, too.
They were like, the chef sent this over.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh my god.
joe rogan
The best.
tony hinchcliffe
Real Italian food.
Priceless.
joe rogan
Boy, does it fucking hamper your motor skills.
It hampers everything afterwards.
I played pool like shit for the first hour and a half.
I just couldn't get going.
It was just like...
My stomach literally hurt from being stretched out.
It was like...
It was hurting.
tony hinchcliffe
My God.
joe rogan
I'll do it again.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'll do it again tomorrow.
I think once a month, that's not bad.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
If you enjoy yourself once a month, have a glass of wine, have some spaghetti.
The next day I had linguine with clams, too.
unidentified
Oof.
tony hinchcliffe
Damn.
joe rogan
So good.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Not good for you.
tony hinchcliffe
One of my favorite things.
joe rogan
Not good for you.
But damn.
But there's a lot of things in life like that.
Like I think if you just live your whole life only eating super healthy and never doing anything like, okay.
But you definitely missed out on some stuff.
Like, you missed out on some amazing meals.
Like, you're not gonna get all those flavors all tied together in something that is not gonna give you a little autoimmune flare-up.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like, I think it's a thing that you experience.
And you pay a cost.
The cost for experiencing a delicious pasta meal is you go into a coma.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
That's the cost.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
I was thinking about this when Tom Brady came out for the roast because we're there at the front table and he comes out and he was just so much taller and more present than I thought he would be.
You know what I mean?
He's a quarterback.
joe rogan
One of the grace of all time.
tony hinchcliffe
Giant opposing force of presence.
He was laughing at the jokes.
He wasn't caught daydreaming or staring at the teleprompter.
joe rogan
What did he say to you when you said about his shoes, like, nice shoes, bitch.
tony hinchcliffe
uh he goes i'll shove this up your ass right now and i was stumped dude there was a hard two seconds where i had to reset and be like oh my god do i acknowledge that was that mike did they did they hear that i did not hear it right well i just found out that when they did they they did an edit pass through on it and i haven't seen it yet But I guess they turned up his volume on that,
so now you can hear it, which I actually am looking forward to seeing for the first time.
They just did a final pass-through edit like last week, they told me.
joe rogan
What did he say to Jeff Ross when Jeff Ross made a joke about Robert Kraft getting a handjob?
tony hinchcliffe
He said, don't do that shit again.
But I think he was kidding.
joe rogan
I don't know, because I think that was part of the rules, wasn't it?
tony hinchcliffe
Nah, there wasn't really rules.
joe rogan
I thought you were not supposed to talk about that one.
tony hinchcliffe
I was never told that.
joe rogan
Interesting.
Maybe because they knew you weren't doing it?
Have they seen your set?
tony hinchcliffe
Not exactly, no.
They hadn't seen the meat and potatoes of it.
I showed them some cutesy parts.
joe rogan
Did you hide?
tony hinchcliffe
Oh yeah.
You have to hide it from them.
You have to hide it from them.
joe rogan
For their own good.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Shut up.
tony hinchcliffe
Exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Everyone wins.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Exactly.
You guys had the, literally, if ever the joke was like soft and easy, you wouldn't have got 55 million people watching it.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
People were watching because they were telling people, like, you gotta see this.
This is insane.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
And Nikki did so good.
Her set was so tight that it really got the thing kick-started.
Jeff going first, her second, and then the momentum was built.
Drew Bledsoe did great.
Everybody was really, really good.
It was kind of fucking awesome to be there around a bunch of...
Because those football players are so goddamn competitive that they were all really working hard.
So even though you're expecting it to be like, duh, Tom was good at throwing a football, they all wanted to be the best.
joe rogan
And people were riding for them.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
So who was riding for those guys?
tony hinchcliffe
There was a whole amazing team led by the guys that have written all the roasts.
Mike Ferrucci and Ray James and a bunch of guys that literally specialize.
They wait all year waiting for another roast.
Like monsters that literally are like...
start wiring these things together.
What do they have in common?
What's the setup?
What's the, you know, how do we tie it in?
You can have a three fur, a four fur, a five fur where you make fun of a bunch of people at once.
And, you know, they write a loose script, they send it to the person, the person reviews it and says what they do want, what they don't want.
And sometimes, you know, what you definitely don't want is someone to go, I don't want to hit this, I don't want to hit that, I don't want to go too hard on this.
The fearless people, a perfect example of this is Martha Stewart at the Justin Bieber roast.
She goes, I'll fucking say anything.
I want to kill.
I want to destroy on this roast.
And me and Mike Ferrucci are like, okay.
joe rogan
That's pretty amazing.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's pretty amazing.
Martha Stewart saying that to you.
tony hinchcliffe
Well, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, everybody realized how cool she was when she did that show with Snoop Dogg.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because that was like, what a weird, odd couple that worked out.
tony hinchcliffe
Well, that was all born out of that roast.
joe rogan
Why'd they stop doing that show?
tony hinchcliffe
I don't know.
joe rogan
That was a good show.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, I'm not sure.
joe rogan
People loved Martha after she got out of prison, too.
tony hinchcliffe
Gangster.
She's a gangster, dude.
joe rogan
Bro, they put her away for nonsense.
They put her away for some stupid insider trading where she didn't even make any money.
tony hinchcliffe
They put her away for what Nancy Pelosi does every single day.
joe rogan
But what she does is legal.
The Nancy Pelosi thing is legal.
jamie vernon
Have you heard about what's going on with the GameStop guy?
Roaring Kitty is his name.
joe rogan
Okay, I have.
So please tell me because I'm trying to figure out what's going on because there's so much...
I see so many tweets and posts about it online and I'm cursory aware.
jamie vernon
So I don't, I mean, I've been busy doing work stuff, but from what I've seen is that like he's making more, he came back out like online, posted something like a week or two ago about GameStop.
It shot the stock up again like it did previously during the pandemic, which is like created a whole movie.
joe rogan
So who is this dude?
jamie vernon
His name's Keith Gill.
His online name is Roaring Kitty, like on Reddit, I believe.
joe rogan
Roaring Kitty's an awesome name.
jamie vernon
It's $53,000.
He came worth over $300 million.
tony hinchcliffe
Whoa.
joe rogan
Whoa.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
So he's worth $300 million from this GameStop stuff?
jamie vernon
Yeah, on paper, though.
It's like if he takes...
That's part of it.
joe rogan
So if he takes the stock out, then the stock crashes.
So he can't sell it?
jamie vernon
That's becoming the new talk of what I've seen over the last 24 hours is that he recently, I think over the last day, posted what his holdings are in GameStop.
And that has created some discussions, which is why I brought it up.
Because people are bringing up Nancy Pelosi a lot.
What he's doing is out in the open.
It's very public.
I don't even think he's specifically telling anyone to do anything.
He's just showing what he's doing.
And they're talking about limiting him or taking him off these apps.
I don't know if he's going to get fined in some way or another.
That doesn't make sense, but these are the discussions that are happening right now.
joe rogan
Well, it seems like he's doing something that they've all done.
jamie vernon
That's what it seems like.
joe rogan
I mean, if someone goes on MSNBC and gives a bunch of opinions about certain stocks that will perform or won't perform, and they're an expert, and if they're invested in those things, and if they then change the way people interact with the stock market, more people start investing in these things, is that okay?
Is that legal?
How does that work?
What's his name?
Jim Kramer?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That guy goes and rants about a stock being like, you should buy this.
Does he do that?
I don't ever watch financial shows.
jamie vernon
The joke online with him on Twitter is that do the opposite of what he says.
If he's very specific about this is a winner, 100% do the opposite.
Really?
In a week, the opposite happens.
joe rogan
Oh, is he terrible?
jamie vernon
It's not that he's terrible.
It's just that this has continued to happen and people are like, why does the opposite always happen what he says?
I don't know that he's bad because he obviously has a show and people want to continue to talk to him.
joe rogan
Didn't Jon Stewart scold him once?
I think Jon Stewart had him on The Daily Show and gave him a scolding about something.
Is that true?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
I think it was after the 2008 financial crisis or something.
Not sure.
I'm remembering something like that.
tony hinchcliffe
John Stewart's back, is he doing The Daily Show?
joe rogan
Does it like once a week.
jamie vernon
There was a conflict with them, it says.
joe rogan
Yeah.
2009. Yeah, it was right after the financial crash, yeah.
jamie vernon
Chicago Trade, something like that.
joe rogan
Oh.
In response to CNBC commentator Rick Centelli, who had recently said on the floor of the Chicago Board of Trade that homeowners facing foreclosure were losers.
Whoa.
Santelli had been said to appear on the show, but CNBC canceled Santelli's appearance.
Stewart, along with Daily Show executives, claimed the CNBC montage was not retaliatory and that they planned to show it before the cancellation was announced.
Subsequent media coverage exchanges between Kramer, who had been featured heavily in the original segment, and Stewart led to a highly anticipated face-to-face confrontation on Stewart's show.
The episode received a large amount of media hype and became the second most viewed episode of The Daily Show, trailing only the 2009 Inauguration Day episode.
It had 2.3 million total viewers.
The next day...
What does it say?
What was the exchange?
What was it about?
Oh, your money is safe in Bear Stearns, followed by a Daily Show segment that the Global Investment Bank went under six days later.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
If I'd only followed CNBC's advice, I'd have a million dollars today, Stewart said during the piece, provided I started with a hundred million dollars.
Whoa.
jamie vernon
Yeah, see, I guess he's been wrong since back then.
joe rogan
So, is it because he doesn't know what he's talking about, or is it because the market is, like, really difficult to predict?
tony hinchcliffe
No, I bet he's part of a fucking...
I bet he's part of the machine.
I bet he gets...
You know, he's out there telling people what to invest in, and these other people...
There's got to be a massive conflict there.
joe rogan
Well, that's the conflict.
Like, imagine someone at Bear Stearns.
You know, it'd be nice if you went out there and said, your money's safe with Bear Stearns.
You think he'd do that for us, Jim?
I'm not saying that he did that.
Of course, that would be, like, probably illegal.
jamie vernon
Right.
unidentified
Wouldn't it be?
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Of course.
joe rogan
I bet that guy meets in the park.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
No phones.
Meet in the park.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Let's go for a walk.
Let's go for a walkabout.
Describe how we're going to make...
Make that money!
Because if you're a guy and you're tweeting about how much you love GameStop and about you're so bullish on GameStop that you've just invested $100,000 in GameStop and everybody reads that and they go, oh, I'm going to buy GameStop too.
And then your $100,000 in GameStop goes up in value.
Is that illegal?
But I don't think they prepared for this, this world.
Like, I think these nerds online with this whole GameStop thing, they've kind of flipped the tray over.
It's like, fuck your game.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
We'll play it this way.
jamie vernon
That's what happened during it.
I remember Robin Hood stopped people's ability to trade.
unidentified
Wow.
jamie vernon
And everyone was like, what the fuck?
How can you even do that?
joe rogan
Yeah, well, so is it because it's legal?
It's a legal manipulation that everyone didn't see coming?
jamie vernon
I've read people talking about this since this happened.
joe rogan
Go pee, Tony Angelo.
You've heard people talk about it?
jamie vernon
Yeah, since it happened.
And I've not heard a consensus good answer.
I don't know that they've gone digging through this in Congress or not yet, because they're talking about so much other stuff.
joe rogan
Right, but it's so weird that there's certain loopholes that don't get patched up really quick, especially a loophole in regards to the financial markets.
No one saw that you could take a stock that's not that valuable and make it super crazy valuable?
jamie vernon
So something I saw was a speculation was saying he's got holdings, I think, on Morgan Stanley.
He's got call options, which I can barely even understand enough to explain to you.
But he's betting on the price of the stock to go up.
If he exercises those call options at a certain number, I think it was, he'd be worth more than I think Morgan Stanley is.
So could they even pay him?
joe rogan
Huh.
How bizarre.
The whole thing is so difficult to understand.
The whole stock market thing.
When Bernie Sanders was explaining how much you could make just from all these speculation trades that they do, you'd take a fraction of a penny from each trade, and it'd be worth a trillion dollars.
And I was like, what?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I was talking to a banker asking them, they're like, you, as a normal person, I guess, that's not what she said, but like, as a normal consumer, you would probably hold a stock.
You'd buy a stock and you hold it forever until you decide to sell it one day.
They're buying and selling it 7 to 12 times a day based off of whatever.
joe rogan
And they're just making little margins here and there, and it's stacking up.
jamie vernon
And they're doing it in such large numbers that, yeah.
joe rogan
And they're probably doing it with algorithms, right?
Aren't they?
jamie vernon
Yeah, then there's like a show that on HBO, I think, Traders or something, you can watch young people who do this now.
They stare at a computer and they start making bets on like, wait, wait, five more seconds.
You make $30 million if you make $10 million.
joe rogan
If you had a podcast, not us, but someone else with a podcast, and they just start talking about a stock, and then that stock goes up, is that legal?
What are the laws?
jamie vernon
It has to get really deep into the wording, the language you use.
If you're just talking about it, it's disgusting.
But if you're saying, like, buy it for these reasons, and I've done this, and these are the reasons why it will go up, that can probably get you in trouble.
joe rogan
What if you have information that a stock is going to crash, but you don't tell anybody?
So if you know that a stock is going to crash, you know that some information is going to be put out, and then you sell your stock, that's illegal, right?
That's insider trading.
jamie vernon
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Isn't that weird?
Because in any other realm in life, that is just being aware of the circumstances.
Like, oh, things are going, I have information, I should act on that information.
This is like, you can't act.
But I'm going to lose $400 million.
Well, it's either that or you go to jail.
What?
So I have to sit here, even though I know that something fucked up and it's gonna come public and there's gonna be something where a product fails and the stock's gonna crash.
I know the stock's gonna crash.
I'm gonna get out now.
I can't get out?
Because I know.
What?
tony hinchcliffe
The whole thing's fucking weird.
I don't know if it's the Italian in me or whatever, or parents that kept cash in shoeboxes in between the mattresses or whatever, but it's just all so fucking freaky to me.
I mean, if it was up to me, I would just have that.
I would have a safe with cash.
joe rogan
Well, it does make sense that you would make it so that you couldn't insider trade because then people would just manipulate things.
But I think that's exactly what people are saying is happening with, like, GameStop and a bunch of these other things.
You're manipulating things.
You might not be manipulating in the sense that you have information that's going to – you know, maybe the stock is going to take off and you buy a shitload of it and then – because you know a bill is going to be passed, which is okay if you're in Congress.
That's fine.
Well, you could actually be working on the bill.
That's fine.
And then you buy stock and you make hundreds of millions of dollars on a $170,000 a year salary.
That's fine.
But if you're Martha Stewart and you've got some information, I mean, how much did Martha Stewart make?
Like, what did she get off of that insider trading?
jamie vernon
It was just a couple hundred thousand dollars maybe.
Let me double check.
joe rogan
Oh, so she made a little money.
For her.
That lady's rich.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, imagine doing something that's going to risk you being put in jail for a couple hundred grand.
tony hinchcliffe
They wanted to make an example out of her.
joe rogan
I know, but I don't understand it.
Like, why would you do that?
Like, what did she do that was so bad?
jamie vernon
I honestly didn't even know about what the company was called.
That she...
M-Clone?
IM-Clone?
joe rogan
And what fucked up?
What did she do?
She knew it was gonna do well, or what?
jamie vernon
More time to analyze the evidence, verdict...
joe rogan
Want to put the article up so we can look at it?
jamie vernon
I'm digging through the information really quickly because it's like tying her information in with the full story and other people's stuff and saying what some people did and some didn't.
Indictment and artwork.
So that doesn't seem like it's her.
joe rogan
One of my favorite videos ever.
jamie vernon
$45,000 in losses she avoided.
joe rogan
Oh, she avoided $45,000.
unidentified
Wow.
tony hinchcliffe
She probably makes that in an hour.
joe rogan
Wow.
By selling when she did.
So, someone knew something?
jamie vernon
Security fraud, obstruction of justice, and conspiracy.
joe rogan
So the guy was arrested, conspiring to commit insider trading.
He pleaded guilty to charges of securities fraud, bank fraud, obstruction of justice, and perjury.
He pleaded guilty to charges of conspiracy wire fraud.
Where did she come in?
jamie vernon
She called him.
joe rogan
She called him.
jamie vernon
She had a standing order with Bunkovic.
joe rogan
To sell her shares of Mclone fell below 60. She then resigned from her company after that.
Oh, wow.
jamie vernon
Same day she was indicted.
joe rogan
Wow.
But remained on the company's board.
Interesting.
She said, I want you to know that I'm innocent.
I will fight to clear my name.
The government's attempt to criminalize these actions makes no sense to me.
I'm confident I'll be exonerated of these baseless charges.
Interesting.
She pissed somebody off.
unidentified
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Something happened.
joe rogan
Something.
It just doesn't make sense.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
I guess maybe it's also to discourage people from doing that, like you'd get a high-profile celebrity.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But it's just weird that you can do it in Congress.
It's weird that there's some sort of manipulation of the market that's okay, that's legal.
Including propaganda, you know, I mean think about that like if you have propaganda on a news network that gets people to try Ozempic or something else that if they they're paying for that and that boosts up their profits like what's that?
What is that?
If that jacks your stock up that jacks your profits up like what is that?
And are you in trouble if you didn't tell the truth?
Like what if you knew something contrary to what you were telling people to say because you were sponsoring them and And you didn't tell them.
Like, you don't get in trouble for that?
What kind of weird system do we have?
Our system is so kooky.
It's just so kooky.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, if I was an alien, I would be looking at us going, Jesus.
How long can they keep doing this?
jamie vernon
Interesting.
I've got to make sure this is right.
So it sounds like she might have even gotten away with the insider trading, but she lied to an investigator?
joe rogan
Oh, really?
How so?
jamie vernon
I'm trying to find out.
tony hinchcliffe
She told Ludacris on that roast, she goes, Ludacris, you have four kids from five different women.
May I recommend pulling out some time and finishing on some fine Martha Stewart brand linens?
joe rogan
She said that?
Did you write that for her?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that's amazing.
She found Martha Stewart guilty on four counts of obstructing justice and lying to investigators.
Interesting.
jamie vernon
She went to jail for that, not for...
joe rogan
Interesting.
jamie vernon
And that was because of the trading scandal, but...
joe rogan
Interesting.
jamie vernon
She got off on that.
She was not guilty on trading.
joe rogan
Interesting.
Wow.
Somebody was mad.
But that's like a thing, you know?
Especially with tax evasion.
They do that with Lauryn Hill.
They put her in jail.
They put Wesley Snipes in jail.
Like, paying it off is not enough.
It's not like you owe us, give us the money, I'll give you the money.
You give them the money, and you're good.
Uh-uh.
You didn't pay the money, so now you go to jail.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
And we have to put you in jail so that everybody pays the money.
Because that's how this system works.
You gotta pay your share, you fuck.
It's crazy that there's still people out there that are listening to people that are like, You know, taxes are unconstitutional, sir.
I can show you the papers the original Constitution was written on.
There's people that'll fucking talk you into some dumbass shit.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And they wrote people in, man, and people started talking about it.
Like, oh, did you know that taxes, if you just fight it, they can't win because then they have to go to the Constitution.
As long as you bring up the Constitution, like, bitch, they're going to put you in jail.
Pay your fucking taxes.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
joe rogan
Pay your fucking taxes.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Regardless if you think it's fair, like, recognize your place in this system.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, yeah.
The government, I mean, you just got to look at the infrastructure here.
Right?
I mean, it's kind of common sense.
Like, somebody's got to pay for that.
joe rogan
Yeah, you have to pay your taxes.
Regardless of how you like to see it spent, yeah, system sucks, but pay your taxes.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
Pay your fucking taxes, bitch.
jamie vernon
I've been waiting to bring this up, but I feel like this is a good time.
Have you seen the thing about the ages of the founding fathers on July 4th, 1776?
joe rogan
Let me guess.
They're in their 30s.
jamie vernon
Some younger.
unidentified
Really?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
Like this is Alex Ohanian's tweet that went out around them.
joe rogan
James Monroe was 18. Aaron Burr, 20. Alexander Hamilton was 21 years old.
James Madison, 25. Thomas Jefferson, 33. John Adams, 40. Paul Revere, 41. George Washington was a ripe old 44. That is insane.
That's in 1776. That's insane.
There was an 18-year-old who was one of the founding fathers of this country.
jamie vernon
Damn.
joe rogan
Probably already had kids.
Already killed a few people.
unidentified
Yeah.
Wow!
jamie vernon
Ben Franklin was the oldest around.
He's in the 70s then, I think.
joe rogan
This is so bizarre that we've gotten to the point where we only have archaic people that are deeply embedded in the system that are getting their crack at it.
tony hinchcliffe
It's crazy.
joe rogan
And anybody else who tries, whether it's Tulsi Gabbard or RFK Jr., anybody else who tries just gets pushed out.
Vivek, fuck off, pushed out.
We don't want anybody young and energetic with new ideas.
We want someone completely compromised until President AI takes over.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what I think is gonna happen.
tony hinchcliffe
It's freaky, man.
joe rogan
I think AI is gonna take over our government.
I really do.
tony hinchcliffe
What do you mean?
joe rogan
I think at the end of the second Trump administration, AI will have completely taken over.
In 2029, that's when they think it's going to achieve artificial general intelligence.
That's the presumed outcome date.
It's an estimate.
It could be earlier.
It could be like next week.
But one day, it's going to be like a thing, like a living...
Thinking, intelligent being that's just not made out of tissue.
It's not made out of cells and blood.
It's going to be made out of electronics.
tony hinchcliffe
You think those people in power would let that happen?
joe rogan
I think they're dumb.
And I think just like they let the internet happen.
They're going to let this happen too.
It's the same thing.
They didn't see the internet coming.
If they did, they would have pulled the plug on it a long time ago.
They would have pulled the plug on it in the 90s if they could.
It had gotten too out of control before they ever predicted what would happen.
See, people are really bad with foresight.
We just want to do a thing.
We're really bad at like thinking, okay, if I do this thing, this could be the negative consequences, so maybe I shouldn't do this thing.
Like the internet and the Amazon.
You know, all of a sudden these people are jacking off and playing video games and everybody's like, hey, you're lazy.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
We got to go catch fish.
Fuck off.
And no one saw that coming.
They think, oh, this is going to be great.
You're going to get emergency services.
Oh, this is going to be great.
You're going to be able to know what's going on in the world.
No.
No, you're going to do what everybody else does.
You're going to whack off and watch YouTube videos and scroll through TikTok.
And people are just sitting there charging their phone on Amazon, scrolling through things while they're surrounded by it.
You know, birds and monkeys and jaguars.
This is what you're doing?
You're doing this now?
Sloths.
You know, there's life everywhere.
And you're just staring at a phone, flipping through things.
Probably watching videos of the Amazon.
Oh, I knew that place.
We don't think about what's going to happen.
We just think about what we're doing.
And I think when they released the internet, everybody was like, this is amazing.
I can send my mom an email.
Hello, mom.
This is my first email.
Remember AOL? It sounded like a whoop.
unidentified
Wow.
Yeah.
joe rogan
You've got mail.
Oh, I got mail.
It was exciting.
We had no idea that it was going to overcome six hours of your day.
You're spending six hours a day staring at a device.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's literally made by slaves.
Minerals are sourced by what's essentially slave labor and the poorest people in the world.
And we're using that to fuel this device that we're all staring at.
We didn't see that coming.
And we don't care anymore because when cell phones came, we were excited.
And then when smartphones came, we were elated.
This is amazing.
I remember everybody was like, I'm going to do my email on my phone.
And people had Blackberries.
I had a Blackberry.
That's crazy.
I got a little keyboard.
I could send out emails, bro.
I'm a serious person.
I have email on my phone.
I can send email on my phone.
And nobody thought that that was going to lead to TikTok.
Nobody thought that was going to lead to Instagram reels.
And people argue on Twitter all day long.
Nobody thought any of the crazy narcissism and the filters and the effect that it's going to have on people's self-worth, their opinion of themselves, the way they...
The way young kids are looking at the world and influencers.
Now there's a whole giant group of people that just be famous for famous?
Just to be famous.
There's no there.
There's nothing there.
And you're seeing them with cars and houses and they're renting cars and renting houses so they look like ballers and it's like...
The whole thing was unpredictable.
And I think the next stage of it is equally unpredictable and maybe way more so.
Because this thing is like feeding off of human intelligence, this craziness we're dealing with now.
It's like human reward systems are being hijacked, attention is being hijacked, dopamine is being hijacked.
All this is being hijacked, but this is just like human stuff.
When that thing becomes alive, it changes everything.
It changes every fucking thing about the way the earth is managed.
Resources, power, everything.
It's gonna be weird, man, and we don't know what it is.
It might be a fucking disaster, or it might be amazing.
It might, like, end war.
It might completely end all of the problems we have, like a disproportionate amount of resources available to some percentage of the population that keeps them enslaved.
That might end.
That might be balanced out by an ethical artificial general intelligence that just decides how to allocate resources and then takes over almost all jobs.
But it's just, how long does it tolerate us?
How long does it decide that these fucking flesh monkeys, these dumbasses with guns and planes and shit, all the dumb fucking shit we do, riding around on unicycles, fucking training monkeys, What are we doing?
What are we doing?
We're so crazy!
It might have no patience for it.
It might have no patience for it.
It might decide that consciousness needs to be interfaced by a superior thing and that the physical boundaries, the physical problems, the limitations of our biological bodies are too much and just might bail on us.
tony hinchcliffe
It might look at us as a threat to the it.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're a threat to the whole planet.
You know, it's like, did you ever see the Neanderthal theory?
There's a Neanderthal theory that it's very dismissed by real anthropologists, but it's a kooky one to consider, is that Neanderthals hunted people and ate people and that our view of them looking like us could have been wrong and they could have looked more like gorillas, like gorilla people.
But they're super muscular, really fucking strong, much stronger than people, much more dense bones, and that they might have hunted us, and that we might have led them to extinction by fighting them, that we fought off the Neanderthals, but that we were their prey.
It's a crazy thought to consider, and I don't think it's true.
I think it's probably...
I'm sure Neanderthals kill people, and I'm sure people killed Neanderthals, but I don't think they looked like gorillas.
I think they think they had red hair, in fact.
Some of them.
unidentified
Interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you don't know what they looked like.
You only find bones.
There's no living Neanderthals around anymore.
If we did exterminate them, which it seems like we did, if we felt like they were a threat so we killed them off, why would we think that...
Super-intelligent aliens or whatever artificial life that we're creating, which is going to be way smarter than us compared to how smart we are compared to Neanderthals.
Neanderthals might have even been smart.
They had big brains.
We don't know.
We know they had tools.
We know they had a language.
We don't really know how fucking smart they were.
But they lived for like 500,000 years, dude.
Neanderthals were like around for a long time before we came out.
And they were way more successful for way longer than we were in terms of staying alive.
And we got rid of them.
We're like, get the fuck out of here.
This is our spot now.
I don't know how it happened.
No one really knows.
We might have outfucked them.
They might have died in a volcano.
Who knows?
tony hinchcliffe
There might be an odd West Virginia right now.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Those people.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's just what happens when you fuck your kids.
tony hinchcliffe
You saw the thing, talking about things that we don't know how it happened, about the rivers near the pyramids.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
You know about that, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, they think that that's how they got the stones down.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's interesting.
It's all interesting.
tony hinchcliffe
At least it makes kind of some sense.
joe rogan
It makes a little bit of sense.
It makes sense that that's how they moved them.
It's just they had to get them through the mountains, too, which doesn't make any sense.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
They got some of the stones from the King's Chamber 500 miles away, and they're fucking huge, man.
I had Billy Carson on the podcast yesterday.
He's kind of an expert in, not kind of, he's an expert in ancient scrolls, like the Sumerian texts, and he's got a lot of wild conspiracies that are really fun.
And we were just talking about If there's one place you could go back in time and see what was that like, I would go to Egypt in the height.
Like, show me.
Show me what that looked like.
Because everyone's just guessing.
They're just looking around at these structures, guessing.
You know?
Like, show me what a Neanderthal looked like.
What do they look like when they're hunting?
What are they built like?
You know, we don't know.
We just have bones.
But I think if we killed them off...
It's highly likely that the next version of us, whatever it is, is going to get rid of these things.
These biological things that are responsible for crime and violence and theft and insider trading and fucking cheating on their taxes and all that stuff.
They're going to go...
The fundamental structure of the thing is too unsound.
The thing that creates pro football players and stand-up comedians and boxers and rock stars and chaos.
And it's not going to have any time for that nonsense.
It's going to be communicating with other, even more intelligent life forms from further away.
tony hinchcliffe
Goddamn.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Five years.
Five years.
I think we have five years of fun.
tony hinchcliffe
And the question is, I guess, will that AI look at us, the creators of it, like we're God?
Or will it look at God how we look at God?
Like, do we believe in it?
Were we created by them?
Or were we supposed to exist all the while?
joe rogan
I think it'll know that it was supposed to exist all the while.
And it'll know that the purpose that human beings have is to create it.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
That's what our purpose was.
All of our chaos and all of our ingenuity and all of our drive for innovation and to create new things, that's a part of creating them.
We have to have a desire to create things in order to create artificial life.
If we were all just happy, just living and just working on a farm and just eating and sleeping and having kids and then dying and then the next generation does it all over again, if we were happy doing that, It would never be born.
It's born out of materialism.
It's born out of our desire to constantly get newer, better stuff, our desire to work ourselves to the bone, even when we're having heart attacks.
It's born out of that.
That's what fuels the whole economy.
And the economy, a lot of it, is just buying better shit.
That's what it is.
The companies that sell the most and make the most money, what do they do?
Like Apple, what do they do?
They sell you more, better shit.
They constantly have new, great shit.
Like, every year.
They promise you.
iPhone 16's coming.
I heard they made a partnership with, oh, it's going to have AI. Because the Samsung phone has AI. They have to compete.
It's going to be nuts, dude.
tony hinchcliffe
Too much.
joe rogan
We don't want to be the last people, Tony.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, God.
I gotta write another dick joke.
joe rogan
It's not gonna be that.
That will stop.
All that comedy will stop.
We'll be able to do it to each other.
We'll be able to get together like silly people.
We get there and gather and crack jokes about how we used to be the apex predator on the planet.
We used to be the top dog.
We used to be the superior species, but nope, not anymore, because some fucking eggheads hopped up on Adderall, alone in a laboratory, wouldn't stop.
They knew it was coming, and they didn't stop.
Tony Hinchcliffe, you're the fucking man.
Let's wrap this bitch up.
Let's bring it home.
Kill Tony is a new episode, drops every Monday on YouTube.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
8 p.m.
joe rogan
Dude, what a rise it's had since we got here.
What a fucking incredible rise.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so many people are aware of it now.
It's so fun.
See all these celebrities that love it.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, it's fucking awesome.
The Black Keys were there last night.
joe rogan
Were they really?
unidentified
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
Oh, they're fucking great.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's so dope.
They love William, dude.
They couldn't wait to see William.
tony hinchcliffe
It's unbelievable.
I fucking love it.
I love it when these people are all fans of specific things and not necessarily other things.
Drake hit me up saying KC Rocket equals goat emoji.
Actual Drake.
I started dialogue.
I go, who is this?
Unreal.
joe rogan
Right, you don't feel it's real, right?
tony hinchcliffe
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Well, that's a fun thing watching people crest into stardom, you know, like bust through, you know, to see how they handle it, you know?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
It's unbelievable.
The whole fucking...
joe rogan
Burt Kreischer's a cautionary tale.
unidentified
It's wild, man.
joe rogan
It's wild out there.
tony hinchcliffe
It's so fun.
joe rogan
Just kidding, Bert.
Bert seems like he's having a great fucking time.
I mean, I remember when I called Bert and Bert was on a motorcycle in Vietnam doing that stupid TV show.
And he goes, I'm on a motorcycle in Vietnam!
I go, dude, you need to be doing comedy.
Quit that fucking stupid show.
You're too funny.
You're too good.
Come back.
Come hang out.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
I'm going to be doing some dates with him just for fun in a few weeks.
joe rogan
You're going to do the fully loaded?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, nice.
tony hinchcliffe
Doing the Pro Football Hall of Fame in Canton, Ohio.
joe rogan
Doesn't he do like, he does like fucking ten comics on a show, right?
How long are those shows?
tony hinchcliffe
I don't know.
joe rogan
It's a lot of comics, right?
tony hinchcliffe
I have no idea.
I just know we're getting trashed on a bus, having fun, waking up, doing it again.
joe rogan
How long can he do that?
tony hinchcliffe
I don't know how long he can do it.
I can do it for four days.
I'm already like, I literally said to my people yesterday, I'm like, make sure I get the first flight out of wherever that ends up.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Because it ends on, I have to wake up on a Monday and then come back here and do another show.
joe rogan
Are you guys sleeping on the bus, the whole deal?
tony hinchcliffe
I think so, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, Christ.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you know how loud Bert must snore?
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, no, there's no way we can, no, there's chambers and stuff.
joe rogan
You don't have any idea.
tony hinchcliffe
There's no way that's happening.
joe rogan
That's like a small door.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
It must be insane how he snores.
tony hinchcliffe
I think the whole tour, it's a bunch of snores.
I feel like Big Jay Oakerson.
joe rogan
Oh, Big Jay!
For sure he snores.
If I snore, he snores.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, yeah.
There's gonna be sleep apnea machines all over that bus.
joe rogan
Yeah, CPAPs plugged in everywhere.
jamie vernon
Stavi probably snores.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, for sure.
joe rogan
Stavi snores.
Not a chance in hell that guy sleeps quiet.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Not a chance in hell.
Alright, you're the fucking man.
tony hinchcliffe
Thank you.
joe rogan
Congratulations on everything.
It's been amazing to watch.
tony hinchcliffe
Thank you so much.
joe rogan
And that's it.
Alright.
Kill Tony, Monday, YouTube.
Tony Hinchcliffe on Instagram.
Anything else?
tony hinchcliffe
That's it.
There's still a few tickets available for Madison Square Garden the first night, August 9th.
Oh, shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's it.
unidentified
Alright.
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