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Joe Rogan Experience #2154 - Remi Warren
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joe rogan
Cheers, sir.
remi warren
Good to see you, man.
joe rogan
We're just saying, you're a professional podcaster now, too.
remi warren
Yeah, I guess.
A little bit different, you know?
It's wild, man.
joe rogan
I mean, when I met you, nobody's podcasting.
remi warren
No.
You're like, you should podcast.
You can do a really good podcast.
unidentified
I'm like, alright, I'll podcast.
joe rogan
I wonder how many podcasts I've talked people into doing.
remi warren
A lot.
I think you're responsible for most of my Spotify playlist.
joe rogan
It's got to be over 50. At this time, the amount of people that actually have podcasts that got podcasts after I told them, you should probably do a podcast.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
People were getting annoyed at me.
I ran into people that would tell me personally in the street, dude, I love your podcast, but please stop telling everybody to do a podcast.
I was like, why?
What if they're good at it?
What if they get good at it?
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, what's the harm?
You don't like it?
Don't download it.
It's super easy to deal with.
remi warren
It is, yeah.
Yeah, that was the thing.
You're just like, Remy, you know what you need to do?
What?
Podcast.
I was like, I think you told me three times before it got...
joe rogan
Well, you're a great podcast guest.
So if you're a great podcast guest, and you're great on that show, Apex Predator.
Yeah, thanks.
It's simple.
You're a good talker.
remi warren
Yeah, I just tell people what I do, I guess.
joe rogan
And your perspective is very interesting, because your perspective is a guy that hunts like, how many days a year do you hunt?
remi warren
Now, I don't know.
It's probably...
joe rogan
Down to 200?
remi warren
Yeah, something like that.
joe rogan
That's nuts.
remi warren
That's most of the year.
joe rogan
Most of the year you're in the woods.
remi warren
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
Which is crazy.
remi warren
It is crazy.
joe rogan
That's like super unusual for a human being.
remi warren
It is, yeah.
joe rogan
Living in America in 2024, what percentage of the population do you consider your peers?
remi warren
A very small percentage.
joe rogan
There's like Cam Haines, Rinella, you, Dudley, but I don't think those guys hunt as much.
No, yeah.
Because you guide as well.
remi warren
Yeah, I'm just like a different kind of addict where I just have to be out there and be doing it.
joe rogan
Well, it's, you know, to people that don't know, it's an amazing experience just to be out there.
It's amazing.
It's like nothing else that you experience.
It's literally wild.
unidentified
It is, yeah.
joe rogan
There's a lot of wild things that you do that are like, wow, this is wild.
But no, this is literally wild.
For real wild.
remi warren
I think the thing is for me is I can go out there and you don't know what you're going to encounter.
It's not a mundane experience.
Everything, you have to be aware.
It's like you could be out there and one day this happens and everything's fine and the next day you get attacked by a bear and the next day you're like...
It snows on you and you're freezing.
It's just every day is so different and even doing it over and over and over, nothing's ever the same.
joe rogan
And it can't be.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
You know, I mean, there's too many different environments.
Like, you just got back, I was listening to your podcast about hunting for muskox.
remi warren
Yep.
joe rogan
And that experience of, like...
Hours and hours every day in just whiteness.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just snow and nothing but on snowmobiles.
That fucking freaks me out.
remi warren
That was the best part about it, is just the place.
Sometimes hunting takes you to those really cool places that you never thought you'd go.
Nobody goes above the Arctic Circle unless they're a scientist figuring out...
You know, global warming shit or somebody going hunting.
Because it's not, I guess there's a few people doing polar expeditions and things like that, but it's not a place you just go vacation.
joe rogan
Is this from your Instagram?
So this is what it's like out there?
Oh wow, so it's like little trailers out there?
remi warren
Yeah, you're just, you're essentially traveling on frozen ocean and you look at the size of the Arctic and it's like larger than North America.
Is it really?
I'm not sure exactly how big it is, but when you look at the whole Arctic circle, that whole region, it is massive.
joe rogan
Is it really larger than North America?
remi warren
Larger than the United States, for sure.
joe rogan
Wow.
And so, larger than the United States, and it's all just snow?
remi warren
I guess it's part of North America, so you can't really say it's larger than North America.
Yeah.
It's just wild.
It's frozen snow, and then there's, so there's like the frozen ocean, and then there's islands in it that would be land.
Kind of has some undulation in there, like little hills.
There's an arctic hair just digging.
It's like, what do they eat?
joe rogan
Yeah.
remi warren
They eat the tundra, I guess.
joe rogan
The Arctic hair and the ptarmigans, right?
Like, what do they eat?
remi warren
I don't know.
Just the grasses, seeds.
joe rogan
Just whatever pops up out of the little spots where they can find.
remi warren
Yeah.
And it's not...
The thing about it is it's super windy all the time, too, because there's nothing to stop the wind.
So it's really cold, and then it's even colder because you get that wind chill.
But that wind blows pretty fierce, and that wind's always moving the snow.
snow so the snow's always there but there would be like a lot of drifts but it'll cause areas where there's maybe a hill to blow open so that's what the muskox eat that's what the arctic hair so you find like those kind of areas and that there's food sources there You're relying on the wind to uncover the snow to give you enough food to sustain It's wild And then to sustain an animal that's that large.
joe rogan
Yeah.
remi warren
As large as a musk ox.
joe rogan
Well, that gives me hope for Bigfoot.
remi warren
Yeah.
unidentified
Exactly.
remi warren
People say, what would they eat?
joe rogan
Well, musk ox live out in Antarctica.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or the Arctic Circle.
Yeah.
And when you're out there, how many people live there full-time?
remi warren
I can't remember.
I think it's under 1,000.
joe rogan
Wow.
remi warren
And that's like a larger, we flew into like a larger area and then went over 100 miles from there.
joe rogan
What do those folks do for the most part?
remi warren
There's some, in the summertime there's like fishing and then hunting in the wintertime.
And that's what they live off of?
Yeah, there is stuff.
There's other villages that don't have an airplane that goes to it or whatever, and they're purely subsistence.
Or getting things in a couple times a year.
Like that particular spot, the fuel comes in once a year.
joe rogan
Once a year?
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
So if somebody pokes a hole in the fuel tank, you're fucked.
remi warren
That's it.
Yeah, you're done.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
remi warren
It's pretty crazy.
joe rogan
Fuel comes in once a year is such a crazy thing to say.
You've got to plan for the whole year.
remi warren
How much fuel?
Everybody uses diesel for everything, heating, everything.
joe rogan
And if you don't have it, you're fucked.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
remi warren
Very crazy.
There's places in the world that are so unlike what we're used to.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Imagine, there's people that are going to live their whole life there.
remi warren
Oh, yeah.
Most of the people that I met had never left that village.
joe rogan
Wow.
Imagine taking them to Hawaii.
They'd be like, what the fuck am I doing with my life?
This is so ridiculous.
I could be in Hawaii.
remi warren
I don't know if they would like it.
joe rogan
What are you talking about?
Everybody likes Hawaii.
They would love it.
remi warren
You would think, but that's what they know.
I think it'd be too hot.
unidentified
I don't like this place.
joe rogan
I'll take D. I'll take you too hot all day.
Over fucking freezing tundra and wind and fuck that.
You mind sweating a little bit?
You're next to the ocean, jump in the water, cool off, relax.
remi warren
They like to eat stuff that I wasn't a fan of.
It's called muktak.
It's essentially whale fat that's been cured.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
Fermented?
remi warren
Not fermented, it's more like salted.
Almost like whale beef jerky.
joe rogan
Oh, like, okay.
Whale fat, that's what it looks like?
remi warren
Yeah, that's it.
joe rogan
Bourdain told me that fermented shark was the most disgusting thing he ever ate.
remi warren
Yeah, I haven't had that, but I've heard it's really bad.
joe rogan
And they love it.
And apparently, wherever the fuck it is, I guess it's Iceland where they eat it a lot?
remi warren
Iceland, yeah.
joe rogan
That's what it looks like, Jamie?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Does that what it look like when you were eating it?
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
What does it taste like?
remi warren
I don't know.
It's like greasy, rotten fish maybe.
No, not a fan.
joe rogan
What kind of whale is it too?
remi warren
The guys, some of the Inuit guys, they have like preferred whale kinds.
They like narwhal the best, is what he said, and then beluga whale.
And then there's other whales that they don't like as much.
So yeah, like when the community gets like a, they do all that in the summertime.
And then they save it for the wintertime.
But I guess you'd need to eat a lot of fat to survive the winter.
joe rogan
Whale, in my brain, goes into the same category as monkey.
Like, you're eating whale or you're eating monkey, I'm like, yo, do you have to do that?
remi warren
No.
Yeah, I'm not a fan.
joe rogan
It seems like you probably shouldn't do that.
remi warren
Yeah, I had tried muck tuck before, and so when they busted it out, I was like, I will pass.
Thank you.
joe rogan
Were they offended?
remi warren
No, I think that they just didn't get it.
Their whole culinary experience too is like, we got the muskox and it was really good meat.
And I cooked it up with some garlic and canned mushrooms in a pan and do it how I like, like medium rare and it was phenomenal.
And the way they do their cooking is they just boil it.
They like it boiled.
joe rogan
Everything.
remi warren
Everything.
But you think about it, they've lived so long in a lot of isolation.
No doctors, none of this.
So they're very cautious about their food and they just don't want to get sick from it or anything like that.
So for probably their entire forever, just overcook the food and then you don't get sick.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
Yeah, if you get a parasite up there, you're in real trouble.
remi warren
Yeah, you're in trouble.
So they just, everything's boiled.
They like it boiled.
joe rogan
Well, I guess if you drink the broth, too.
Yeah.
It's like a soup.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Kind of a meat soup.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It's probably a good way to be effective.
You don't need to cook in fat that way.
remi warren
Yeah, they just boil it, and then they've got everything in the pot, and that's...
joe rogan
And they get their dietary fat from just this whale fat stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do they eat anything else that they get dietary fat from?
remi warren
No, I think whales, they eat seals.
joe rogan
They probably have no diseases.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
No cancer, no heart attacks, like nothing.
Everybody lives to 110. Yeah, I don't know.
It's probably good.
It's probably good for you.
Those people that live, have you ever seen that Werner Herzog film, Happy People?
remi warren
I mean, I can't remember.
joe rogan
It's the one where the trappers in the taiga in Siberia?
remi warren
No, I haven't seen that.
joe rogan
It's an amazing documentary.
So Werner Herzog went to Siberia and hung out.
I don't know if he was just narrating it or if he was actually there.
I think he was just narrating it.
Maybe he went there, but someone went there.
Point is, these people are extremely happy.
And all they do is go trapping and fishing and hunting.
And they live in these villages and they go around on snowmobiles.
It's interesting because it's like, what is life supposed to be about?
Is it supposed to be about enjoying yourself or is it supposed to be about accomplishing things?
Because if it's supposed to be about accomplishing things and you don't enjoy yourself, it seems like you're kind of missing part of the point of life.
And these people, their life is enjoyable.
Like, they love fishing.
They're laughing, and when they're going hunting, they're talking about hunting, how much they love hunting and fishing, and it's fun, and you get all this food, and they're just pulling these massive pike out of the river.
They have these giant nets and shit, and so they're having a good old time, like, all day long.
They're freezing the fish.
They feed the fish to the dogs.
They have this whole system worked out.
They just completely exist with what they have with very little other than snowmobiles and the occasional machine that they need.
They make all their skis.
They hand make their skis.
This guy was showing how to make a ski, and so he's using the pitch and the tar and heating the thing up and cutting it perfectly and planing it.
It's pretty amazing stuff.
remi warren
Yeah, that's wild.
I guess that's like, yeah, everybody works real hard to go on vacation and go fishing.
That's just what we're doing, man.
joe rogan
They just live that way.
I met a dude when I was in the British Virgin Islands who worked for a big tech company.
I don't want to say the company, but it's like a major company that like, you know, they make like fucking jets and shit for the military.
And he just was like, I don't see this.
I don't see this.
This just doesn't seem like a good path for the rest of my life.
He goes, I'm seeing all these people that were managers and executives are trying to work their way up the corporate ladder and everybody's miserable.
Everyone's exhausted.
Everyone's overworked.
They're all putting in crazy hours.
They bring work home with them.
They hardly see their family.
They make a lot of money, sure.
But he was like, fuck this.
He just became a fishing guy.
British Virgin Islands.
Fucking super chill guy.
But as I was talking to him, it's like bringing up scientific terms for different animals and the way different fish have very specific...
I forget the term he was using about...
It was particularly about Barracuda.
They make their skin oilier so they can go faster, so they can move through the water faster.
Yeah, they're lubed.
They're lubed up.
But he was explaining it in these scientific terms.
And I was like, wow, this guy has amazing vocabulary for a guy who runs a fishing boat.
He sounds like a scientist.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like a guy who I would talk to on a podcast.
And the more we're talking, you know, because we're on this four-hour fishing trip, the more we're talking, he starts telling me his background, he starts talking about the business he was in.
I was like, that's crazy.
And she just decided to bail on it all and just start fishing.
Like, that's like a character in a movie.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, like, nobody does that.
Everybody just stays miserable.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
They stay miserable, they buy a new Lexus, and they feel pretty good about themselves.
remi warren
Yeah, that's why I feel very fortunate.
I feel like a pretty happy person because I pretty much get to do what I love all the time.
joe rogan
You get to do the thing that everybody looks forward to.
If you're a hunter and you have September for our elk or November for whitetail, you look forward to the rut like nothing else in life other than your kid's birthday.
remi warren
Yeah.
Exactly.
joe rogan
You're just so excited about this opportunity that you're going to get to spend a week in the woods, and that's your whole job.
That's mostly what you do.
remi warren
It is.
Yeah, it's great.
joe rogan
You're super lucky, man.
You're lucky.
So we brought you out here today to do a podcast, but also because I wanted to get you into Ways to Well because you had a crazy wrist injury that you wound up getting two surgeries on, right?
remi warren
Yeah, because last time I was in here, I just started shooting that mouth tab.
joe rogan
That's right.
We talked about it last time.
remi warren
I think I just got it set up.
That was like some of the first arrows I'd flung in front of another human.
joe rogan
That mouth tab thing had to be weird.
For people who don't know what we're talking about, well, so...
Just explain the injury.
Let's get into the injury first.
remi warren
Yeah, so, I mean, I tore tendon in my wrist that does a lot of the movement things and it ended up being dislocated and had to do a reconstruction of the tendon and all that stuff.
Had a surgery, essentially a botched surgery, which made...
The surgery did probably more damage than maybe even the initial thing.
The bad surgery caused a lot of complications and then had to have a salvage surgery after that.
joe rogan
What kind of complications did it cause?
remi warren
I mean, I lost the feeling in my hand.
joe rogan
You don't feel anything in your hand?
remi warren
No, I do now.
The second surgery, they fixed all that.
Oh, wow.
There was...
Yeah, just like the recovery went from, you know, essentially a...
What did they promise?
Like three-month to six-month kind of recovery to a couple years down the track and still not even being able to function 100%.
unidentified
Wow.
remi warren
Still a lot of pain and other things.
So...
But yeah, but because of that...
joe rogan
So what was wrong with the first surgery?
Like, what did they do?
It just didn't turn out well?
remi warren
Yeah, well, they broke one of the bits when they were drilling in, and it got...
The bit, I guess, got broken in the...
It's like a hollow screw.
So it got busted off in there, so then they tried to use another bit to retrieve the bit and broke that bit.
And then they used a hammer and, like...
joe rogan
Oh, no!
remi warren
They used a hammer and something else to pound out the...
joe rogan
The bit?
remi warren
The broken stuff, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
remi warren
And then that caused the – everything was – it was an anchor screw, so then that tore – so they took my tendon, used that tendon to make a tendon, and then that damaged the tendon.
But then I'd been under and under a tourniquet for so long that it's like you got to just finish it up, see what happens.
Well, what happened was the – Tendon tore.
So essentially surgery was complete failure.
Didn't work at all.
joe rogan
Oh wow.
remi warren
Plus I now had all this additional scar tissue from the hammering and the trying to beat the thing back out.
So that's what caused a lot of like- Did you go to a veterinarian or a regular doctor?
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
Did you work on horses?
remi warren
No, it was actually, it was like the first monkeys performing surgery.
I thought I was like, this would be great.
joe rogan
It'd be a cool YouTube video.
remi warren
Yeah, it would be a great YouTube video.
joe rogan
Imagine it works out well.
Have some faith.
remi warren
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
These monkeys are well trained.
remi warren
Yeah, it's great.
joe rogan
That fucking hammer trying to get a broken drill bit out of your wrist.
Dude, that ought to suck.
remi warren
Yeah, so that caused the problem.
Yeah, and part of it for me is just, so I wasn't going to sit out in archery season, so I learned to shoot with my mouth because I couldn't draw the bow with my right hand or with the right wrist because it was immobilized for a long time, casts and all that stuff, so I would have missed a hunting season.
So I just learned to shoot, biting down on a tab, drawing back, shooting.
Got super proficient with it and had probably one of my best seasons.
It was awesome.
joe rogan
I remember when Dudley did that.
Dudley had shoulder surgery.
remi warren
Yeah, and he actually had to switch hands too, which I was fortunate.
I think it was better that everyone was like, it was my dominant hand.
But for bow shooting, you control, I'm right eye dominant, so I control the bow with my left hand.
So it was the same everything, except just biting and shooting.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've often thought about that, if that's smart.
I think my right arm's probably more stable than my left arm.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's quite a bit stronger, I think.
remi warren
You shoot right-handed.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I pull the bow with my right, but I feel like...
My ride would probably be more stable.
remi warren
It would.
That's the thing people...
So if you don't know, for archery, you base off what hand you shoot.
It's actually your eye dominance.
So whatever eye is the eye that controls your vision is the eye that you shoot with with a bow.
So you can have both eyes open, see the sight and the pin, and the target simultaneously.
So if you wanted to know how to do it, you can put your hands up.
We'll focus on an object that's far away, and then close one eye, and if it stays there, that's the dominant eye.
If it moves, so when I close my left eye, the object stays there.
I'm right eye dominant, so I shoot a right-handed bow, which is weird because you're drawing it with your right hand.
But every other, like, if you're shooting a pistol and you're right-handed, you use your dominant hand to control the weapon.
Right.
So, really, if you're cross-eyed dominant and you shoot a bow, everybody thinks that's a bad thing.
It's probably a better thing.
You are probably almost more natural in a way.
joe rogan
It's either way.
Obviously, you could shoot a bow with your left hand.
Obviously, people shoot a bow with their right hand.
So, either way would work.
remi warren
Exactly.
joe rogan
Like, I think it's a lot of malarkey.
I think there's a lot of malarkey that I recognize from, like, Like, when people say you have to do certain things one way with martial arts.
remi warren
Right.
joe rogan
Like, most of the time, most of the time.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
But there's a lot of exceptions.
remi warren
There is, yeah.
joe rogan
There's a lot of different ways to skin a cat.
remi warren
Like, there's people that didn't even know that, and they started drawing to their non-dominant eye, but you can never shoot with both eyes open that way.
joe rogan
Boxing trainers will always tell you that you should, like, in the beginning, they would never tell you to switch stances.
Never switch stances.
But some of the best fighters ever switch stances.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
But you're not them.
But wait a minute, how do you become them?
I mean, some of the best boxers of all time, like Terence Crawford, today, one of the best switch hitters ever.
Marvin Hagler, switch hitter.
Boots Ennis.
There's like really good boxers today that switch hit.
They do it all the time.
But back in the day, you just stood one leg forward and you got...
But some people do it this way, right?
So why not learn to do it that way and be able to do it this way?
It seems way smarter than to just be completely relying on left foot forward all the time.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And with archery, I bet if you practice, no one's going to get a left-handed bow, but I bet if you did, I bet you would get better at your right.
Because that's a phenomenon that happens with learning things.
Like even learning how to write with your left hand will teach you to write better.
You'll write better with your right hand.
remi warren
I don't know who it was, but I'd heard there was a guy, a fairly prominent archer, that got such bad target panic.
That he switched to shooting the opposite hand, and it helped.
Yeah, because his brain was so trained to shooting one way that he just switched.
joe rogan
Target panic is bananas.
People talk about target panic like Candyman.
Don't say its name too many times.
It'll show up behind you.
remi warren
100%.
joe rogan
If folks don't know what target panic is, it's a real thing, particularly with target archers, with people who their whole life is like, your life is about getting an arrow to an X. And if you fuck up even a little bit, just a little baby fuck up left and right, it's a nine.
And if you really fuck up, it's an eight.
But if you hit that X... You're banging tens, baby.
Let's go.
And so a lot of these guys can shoot 30 X's in a row.
Now imagine the mindfuck of being completely stationary.
29 times in a row.
And here comes the 30th and that little demon creeps in your head.
You're going to fuck it up, right?
You're going to fuck it up.
You're going to miss.
You're going to miss.
It'll get into your head.
And that's target panic for these guys.
Some of them can't even put the pin on the target.
They have to lift the pin up to the target.
And when it gets to the target, like a drive-by, they pull the trigger.
They're just going crazy.
remi warren
Yeah, they just force it in there and you get...
joe rogan
They just panic.
We've had Joel Turner from Shot IQ, his whole system that he has for keeping people in a conscious state of mind so that you don't experience that.
You don't just go on, you don't just spaz out, which I can't recommend enough.
It's very, very, very good stuff for people.
But I guess for a guy like you, You do it so often that it's like a normal thing.
You actually hit the trigger when you want the arrow to go.
remi warren
I do, yeah.
unidentified
Right, which is like, don't do it, don't do it.
joe rogan
They'll tell you, don't do it.
But I think there's more than one way to address very high-stress, complicated situations.
And this idea that you have to have every shot be an unexpected shot.
I don't agree with that.
You have to shoot right-handed.
I don't agree with any of that.
I think you just have to be good at doing it that way.
You're obviously very good at doing it that way.
I've shot with you at targets.
I've seen you shoot at distances.
You're really accurate.
And you're still doing it the way they say you're not supposed to do it.
remi warren
But that's the trouble, man.
I was too hard-headed and I taught myself a bad way to do it.
I've changed the way that I shoot.
From when I first started shooting, but yeah, it's not, it's probably not pretty, but I do, I actually do more of a, I do, I use an index release, which is just like a post where you activate it with your trigger, but the way that I've done it is I use kind of more of like a back tension style of pulling with that.
I used to just slap the trigger and it's super accurate with it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what camp does.
remi warren
You know what's funny is that's how I started shooting, and I was actually shooting tournaments and 3D things, just getting my foot in the door with it just for fun in the off-season.
Never got super serious because it cut into hunting, but...
I'd do it, and I was winning by a lot.
And this guy that I was shooting with was like, you're shooting absolutely wrong.
You're not supposed to shoot like that.
And it got in my head.
unidentified
It fucked with me, man.
remi warren
And I was like, wait, I'm doing it wrong?
Nobody's ever told me how to do it.
And that messed me up.
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
remi warren
I was like, it's just a mind game.
joe rogan
It's a mind fuck.
There's no way to do it wrong.
Look, Cam shoots that way.
He's one of the best bow hunters who's ever walked the face of the earth.
He shoots that way.
He makes that thing go off.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then there's Dudley, who doesn't.
remi warren
Right.
joe rogan
You know, Dudley who'll shoot with a hinge sometimes or shoot, you know, with back tension.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
remi warren
But I'm also, you know, my thing is I shoot a bow for hunting.
And so for hunting, that's the best style I release in my opinion.
And I'm very accurate with it.
So I'm not trying to shoot 900 X's in a row.
Like I'm trying to make one perfect arrow.
And so I can focus on that one shot.
And that release works better for me for hunting.
So that's why I choose it.
joe rogan
Why do you think that the wrist strap with the finger trigger is the best one?
remi warren
For hunting?
Yeah.
Because it's always on you.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
So you don't have to reach for it.
remi warren
You don't have to reach for it.
You don't have to move for it.
It's like always there.
And then the other thing is...
You know, they talk about, like, don't punch the trigger or whatever.
But in certain situations, I need that arrow to go now.
I don't need to be pulling through the shot.
Like, this is my opportunity.
joe rogan
Right, you might be shooting in a window.
remi warren
Yeah, or in the wind, and I've got to cant the bow just right, and I need to make, like, a more technical shot that maybe, not that it's rushed, but it's like, this is when it needs to go.
joe rogan
This is when it has to happen.
Right.
remi warren
And so, it can happen the other way.
But for me, it's just easier to be in full control of that decision-making process.
joe rogan
There's also an argument on the other side now in target archering, like Kyle Douglas.
Kyle Douglas, he hits the trigger, and he wins Vegas.
He pulls so hard that he's pulled bows apart.
remi warren
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, so he pulls on the wall so hard, so he's just got that motherfucker locked out, and he uses, in indoor tournaments, he uses a thumb, and hunting, he uses a finger trigger.
remi warren
Yeah, I love it.
It's like, you're doing it wrong, scoreboard.
He won.
joe rogan
No, he's doing it right.
Like, you can't, there's that thing, like, there's, if you can do that with a sniper right, like, I had a long conversation with Andy Stumpf about this, who was in SEALS, and he's a sniper, and I was, you know, we were talking about Like, methods.
And he's like, as long as you're repeatable, you know how to do this one method.
Like, this mindset of there's only one way to do it, it has to be an unanticipated shot.
He's like, no.
No.
Like, if you're a sniper, it's not unanticipated.
remi warren
Right.
joe rogan
You just don't move.
Don't flinch.
One of the proudest things if you ever go to a range is when you run out of ammo, but you don't flinch.
You just squeeze the trigger, you're like, oh, that's beautiful.
It's beautiful.
Even though the gun doesn't go off, you didn't do any of this stupid shit.
You didn't move your hands.
And if you can just do that with a shot, you can make a perfectly accurate shot by deciding when it goes off.
It is possible.
The idea that it's not possible, that's a silly thing to say.
But is it possible for some people?
Well, some people are spazes.
Some people are freaked out by anxiety, the moment, the adrenaline, or they don't know how to keep their mind contained like with Joel Turner's methods, which I think anybody Anybody should know that.
Anybody should know that.
You should talk to yourself during it to keep yourself from just acting because of the anxiety.
Which is because it's a normal tendency that people have to spaz out.
remi warren
Yeah.
I think the other thing too is like maybe there's ways that are probably best for most people.
That might be the way that's best for most people.
But then there's also that I think the people that have a lot of time into something can do it a different way than a lot of other people because they understand that moment.
joe rogan
Right.
remi warren
So like there's a lot of people that they get drawn back on an elk.
They've tried to get within range of an elk for five years.
joe rogan
Right.
remi warren
This is their opportunity and they don't know how to react to that without some other kind of thought process.
joe rogan
Complete freakout.
Complete freakout.
remi warren
Doesn't matter what it is.
joe rogan
There's also like, in a situation where you might get a shot soon or you didn't know you're going to get a shot and all of a sudden you do.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because if you didn't know you're going to get a shot and all of a sudden you do, your adrenaline just kicks in, your fucking heart's beating.
unidentified
Woo!
joe rogan
But if you know it's going to happen, you're like, hey, stay chill.
It's coming.
It's coming.
He's 100 yards away.
He's moving in this direction.
He might be getting a shot.
Oh my god.
He's coming.
He's still coming.
He's talking.
We've got to get in a position.
You give yourself time to experience that this is actually going to happen rather than he's just there.
remi warren
Right.
joe rogan
And then you just try to stay calm, but your arms moving all over the place.
Yup.
It's different experiences and whether or not your brain knows how to process those experiences.
If you've had a bunch of those experiences, you're like, oh, I've been here before.
I know what this is.
I know how to do this.
Okay, it's going to happen, so stay calm.
Pick a spot.
Pull through your shot.
remi warren
Yeah.
And even myself, there's times where It's actually the opposite for me.
If something is there, you're just like, ah, it's here.
But it's when you've got to stalk all day on something.
Like, I've invested my entire day into this, or this is the last chance.
Like, don't fuck it up.
You go, that's when you start to, okay, well, when I get there, here's what I'm going to do.
Talk yourself through it in a way.
joe rogan
When you're going through the shot, do you talk to yourself as you're shooting, as you're pulling the trigger?
remi warren
No, but there's a little bit of a checklist just so I don't draw back, anchor, level, focus.
joe rogan
So you just go through that checklist in your head?
remi warren
Yeah, I think so.
joe rogan
So do you go through it like audibly or do you go through it where you just do the things?
remi warren
I do the things.
joe rogan
Level, center peep, all that?
Go through all that?
remi warren
Yeah, line.
I just make sure that I'm making the good shot and then I just focus on that shot.
joe rogan
Do you, um, have you ever tried the thumb triggers?
remi warren
Yeah, I shoot, I've got all kinds of releases and I'll shoot them all, but just for, I don't even know why, just for fun, I guess.
unidentified
Right.
remi warren
Or like, let's say I'm, sometimes too, if I'm like shooting and I go, God, this is, I'm just not shooting good.
Then I'll swap up the way that I shoot and go, okay, there's something like, My normal method of shooting is, yeah, maybe it's, I don't even know if you'd call it target, like essentially a target panic kind of where I'm not shooting, right?
Then I go, I'll grab that other one.
Okay.
And then I get back in the rhythm and shoot.
joe rogan
Do you find any difference in your accuracy with a handheld release, like a thumb trigger release versus a finger trigger release?
remi warren
I'm probably more accurate with the finger trigger because that's what I shoot all the time, you know?
joe rogan
Do you do the thumb behind the head thing?
remi warren
With a trigger?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
No.
Cam does that.
remi warren
Do they tell you not to do that?
No.
I mean, that's a good way to get your anchor point.
I guess I don't.
I'd have to do it, but I'll hit things.
I do more of a knuckle experience on the jaw.
joe rogan
Knuckle to the jaw?
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what we're talking about.
A lot of folks who don't do archery is like you have specific anchor points.
So the whole idea about shooting accurately is that you want to repeat the exact same position that you're in each time you shoot.
So there's a peep sight that's in the string and you're looking through that peep sight and what you're trying to do is center the sight housing.
So that it completely halos inside of that peep sight.
And then you look down at your bubble and you want to make sure that your level, your bubble is level.
So there's like a little leveler that's below your sight pin.
And you make sure that that's level.
So that means you're not going to be torquing the bow left or right or canting the bow, which could affect the way it goes off.
And so you have anchor points, like the tip of your nose, and some people use a little button on the string that they touch, like Cam has one of those where it touches the corner of his mouth.
I have a nose button.
I like that.
Have you ever tried those?
remi warren
I haven't, no.
joe rogan
They're great, because it's pointy.
It pokes your nose, and you feel it on the tip.
Josh Bomar made it.
So it touches the tip of your nose, and it digs into your nose.
You know 100% you're in the right spot, because it's just pokey on your nose, right there.
Some people, when they draw back, They'll tell you, do not put your thumb behind your neck.
Do not do that.
But that's how Cam does it.
He shoots perfectly like that.
And so I tried it.
I can't do it right.
My neck is too big, so I'd have to go way back because I'd have to have a draw length that's longer than I really should have.
But I fucked around with it and bent my arm forward a little bit and did it this way, and I was like...
This is better.
Because you're locked in.
remi warren
Right.
joe rogan
Like, how stable is that?
unidentified
It is stable.
b-real
If you can get your thumb behind your head, behind your neck, that's fucking stable as shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, that's locked in.
That's way more locked in than holding it there.
remi warren
Right.
joe rogan
You know, like, if you're holding, if you have, like, a hinge, you're doing like this, you've got your knuckle, like, right where your jaw is generally, or some spot in your face.
remi warren
Yep.
joe rogan
That's not as accurate as this.
This is like locked in.
You're not going anywhere.
But they'll tell you not to do it.
And I've never had anybody explain to me why.
remi warren
I think it's probably because most people, like you said, if you're way back here, you're putting string pressure from your face onto the string.
So it's pushing the knock one way or another.
And so it'd be really hard to tune maybe because...
You know, everything needs to be straight.
And so you'd be pushing the knock one direction.
joe rogan
I see what you're saying.
remi warren
You could adjust it.
You could factor in.
But also, you could use a different style release where if you had, you know, an index style release where that's there and it's forward enough, it wouldn't make a difference.
joe rogan
Well, the thing about those adjustable ones, when they have adjustable necks, like the Spot Hog, the wise guy has an adjustable neck.
You can make that sucker, like, real long or you can pull it down short.
So you could find...
If your neck isn't too big.
Like, if you're a big, giant football player, this is not gonna work for you.
But it doesn't even work for me, but it works for Cam.
He gets it right behind his neck.
It locks in there.
And I think, like, anything where you can anchor in, and there's no other way you're anchoring that way, right?
There's no other way you're anchoring forward.
This stops everything in its fucking tracks.
I think this is the best thing you could ever do.
If you could really make that work, I wish my neck was smaller so I could pull this off.
I would do that, because I feel like that is locked in, man.
That's locked in!
remi warren
Yeah, and I've got a small face, so I think it'd work for me.
joe rogan
But there's archery people pulling their hair out, going, shut up!
This is terrible advice!
remi warren
I know.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, I've watched Cam Haynes shoot balloons at 120 yards like that.
remi warren
Yeah, I know.
That's the thing.
It doesn't matter what you do.
There's always the armchair critics that know how to do it better.
It's like, well, I got a certain kind of injury and I got to draw a certain kind of weight.
It looks like shit, but it works.
joe rogan
Well, there's a very similar situation in, I think, almost every sport.
It's definitely in pool.
There's so many different schools of thought in pool of how you're supposed to stroke the ball, whether or not you drop your elbow, what fingers you hold the cue with, whether you turn your wrist forward before you shoot or whether you always keep it parallel or dangling rather.
I think it's with everything that people are struggling to master.
People have ways that they think everybody should do it, and then someone will come along that does it completely different, and they're killing everybody.
And they're like, what?
When the Filipinos came to America, American pool players, they would, back in the day at least, they would hold the cue lightly, but not like the Filipinos.
The Filipinos, like Efren Reyes, who's one of the greatest of all time, he's barely holding on to it.
It's like his hand is like a loose noodle.
And he's just like, it's smooth, like he's playing a violin or something.
It's wild to watch.
And it's like this delicate way of hitting the balls, like maximum efficiency of his motion.
It's all smooth.
And they changed the way Americans started playing.
But if you had had like an American coach, like if you played that way and you sucked and you went to an American coach, they'd be like, what?
Stop doing it that way.
This is not the way.
Stop your elbow moving.
Your elbow's only supposed to do this.
Just a tiny motion.
Just back and forth.
And the upper part stays completely still.
Always.
These Filipinos are moving that shit around like crazy and playing like wizards.
Some of the best players today, they drop their elbows, they move things around, they have long bridges, short Buddy Hall, one of the greatest of all time, short little tiny bridge.
And some of the greatest players, long ass bridge, like Earl Strickland, long bridge.
It's all just repeatability.
What can you do over and over and over and over again efficiently and accurately?
And I think it's the same with archery.
I think it's the same with pool.
It's the same with a lot of things.
There's fundamental principles, like you have to be able to hit the ball straight if you want it to go straight, right?
With an arrow, you have to be able to shoot a straight arrow.
Do you know how to do that?
Well, how come some people do it sideways?
I've seen guys who like to do with compound bows sideways.
remi warren
Really?
joe rogan
What are you doing?
I guess they started that way with traditional bows?
remi warren
Yeah, because you camp the bow on a traditional bow.
joe rogan
And so they just kept doing it that way.
And I'm sure you've seen guys who shoot compound bows with no sights.
Like instinctive, which is really kind of wild.
remi warren
Yeah, or fingers, or I mean, you can do whatever.
Because I like to hunt with a traditional bow, too, so I do that every year as well.
And the way that I shoot that is completely different than the way that I shoot a compound bow.
I mean, because I actually just instinct...
I do what's an instinctive method of traditional shooting, where a lot of people do, like, different kinds of string walking or whatever.
I just do the...
Shoot the arrow, know the trajectory, kind of like...
joe rogan
Like you're throwing a rock.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
remi warren
Like if I'm going to throw...
The way that I practice, I walk around with a blunt tip.
It's just like a non-sharp tip or practice tips.
I walk around, I shoot pine cones in the forest.
You know?
That's like...
joe rogan
Just to gauge the loop, the arc.
remi warren
And so you just build it and it just becomes instinct.
Where it's like, if I'm going to toss a...
Pen to Jamie or my phone to Jamie or anything over there.
joe rogan
Instinct.
remi warren
I'm not gonna throw it in his face.
unidentified
Right.
remi warren
And I'm not gonna, like, hit it on the floor.
I'm gonna toss it to him.
unidentified
Right.
remi warren
It's the same.
You just, like, you toss the arrow.
joe rogan
Can you toss something with your right hand now or is it fucked up?
remi warren
I mean, yeah, I guess I can.
I look like a little girl.
I did one of those axe-throwing things with my buddies, and they're like, can you please stop?
unidentified
It's just embarrassing.
joe rogan
You're going to fucking kill everybody.
remi warren
It's just embarrassing.
joe rogan
That is one good advantage of having your finger triggered, though.
You don't have to have all that weight held in your hand.
remi warren
Correct, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's good.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
You might actually, if you weren't the other way, you might actually have been forced to switch to a wrist strap.
remi warren
Potentially, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Does the wrist fuck with your wrist at all?
The wrist strap?
remi warren
It does, yeah.
It puts pressure on the one spot that we got.
But they did those injections, man.
I'm hoping that...
I have a lot of...
I think it's going to be awesome.
joe rogan
It's going to make a big difference.
It's...
I... I can't say enough about ways to well and just stem cells in general.
I mean, I've got a bunch from my friend Roddy McGee in Vegas, and what they do is fix things that you would ordinarily have to get surgery for.
In your case, with the torn ligaments, they would have to have surgery.
remi warren
Yeah, that's what they said.
joe rogan
Once it's ripped.
remi warren
After that, the recovery portion is...
Where you need it.
joe rogan
Exactly.
And it just really helps heal injuries, man.
Like, really helps.
I have had a left knee problem for a long time.
Like, I tore my ACL on my left leg when I was 22, I think.
I tore it and then I had a surgery on it where they did a Patella tendon graft and they tried to suture up the meniscus because there was a tear in the meniscus as well.
But the suture didn't take the meniscus tore and then had a bucket handle tear in the meniscus, which is pretty significant because it would lock my leg out and so that I had to get some of the meniscus removed.
So it's always like a little less stable there.
There's a little space there and it gets banged around.
It's always sore.
And it got over the last couple of years, it's actually the stupidest fucking way I heard it ever.
I was on my way on stage at Stubbs in Austin, which is an outdoor venue.
And as I was going up these cement stairs, the stairs take like a little turn, and I was turning the recorder on on my phone to record my set, and I stubbed my foot against the stone, and it twisted my knee sideways like somebody heel hooked me.
unidentified
And it was amazing.
joe rogan
Excruciating.
And I had to go on stage.
Like, right there.
And my leg was shaking like I was scared.
So, like, one leg.
Like, shaking like my first time.
I didn't even shake like that my first time on stage.
But it was like...
Because it was just throbbing.
And I had to ignore it.
I should have...
In retrospect, I should have addressed it and made fun of the fact that I'm such a fucking moron.
And my leg was fucked for a long time after that.
And it got a little bit better.
And then every time I get better, I would just start kicking the bag again.
Or going back to Muay Thai or going to Jiu Jitsu.
And it hurt again.
Fuck, fucker.
And so I went a whole year without kicking the bag.
For me, it's crazy.
I went a whole year.
I'm like, I'm just going to strengthen this.
I follow this guy, Ben Patrick.
He's got this Instagram page, Knee Over Toes guy.
I don't know if you've ever seen his stuff.
remi warren
Yeah, I think I've just seen something you've written.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
So I've been doing all these goblet squats on a slant board and Nordic curls and all these different exercises to strengthen all the muscles around the knee, which I never really bothered to do.
I would do leg exercises, but I didn't think specifically exercises that stabilize the knee.
So between that and ways to well, I have zero pain now.
It's crazy.
remi warren
That's awesome.
joe rogan
This has been years since I had no pain.
Years.
b-real
I'd go upstairs, it would just be annoying.
joe rogan
I'd feel it.
I could do it, but I would feel it.
I don't feel it at all.
I mean, at all.
It's nuts.
It's nuts.
And so the thing to me, it's always kicking the bag.
Because if I can kick the bag and then I'm not sore the next day, something's changed.
Because it was like every time I'd kick the bag, the next day I'd be like, oh, I'm going to pay for that.
I'm gonna pay for that.
And then he'd be walking around.
He'd be just kind of a little bit swollen, you know?
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
So I'm really, really hoping that that's gonna have a similar effect on your wrist.
remi warren
Yeah, I'm pretty stoked.
Like, yeah, you should know within a fairly short amount of time.
I'm like, well...
joe rogan
Because he shot you up with...
What was exactly...
remi warren
I don't even remember.
joe rogan
I'll text him right now.
remi warren
Yeah, there was all kinds of...
joe rogan
What did you shoot him up with?
remi warren
An IV plus some direct into the joint stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah.
remi warren
I don't know.
It was all gibberish to me.
He's talking about so many millions of whatever.
Okay.
joe rogan
What exactly did you inject him with?
I should have done this with voice.
The voice is very accurate.
I don't know how it is on your shitty Android phone, but on these American phones, these real American Apple iPhones.
remi warren
I just think it does it now.
You guys are still talking.
joe rogan
I talk shit, but I'm not an Apple fanboy.
I've had Samsung.
I was very disappointed when I found out the moon photo wasn't real, though.
I was bragging to everybody.
Look what my phone can do.
I can take a picture of the moon.
remi warren
But I mean, their great pictures is great.
joe rogan
It's so clear.
How is it doing?
Because it's lying to you.
They're like, it's no different than face filters.
It's a lot different.
If a face filter makes me look like Arnold Schwarzenegger, then something's going on with that face filter.
It's lying.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
That phone filter is a fucking lie.
But other than that, they're amazing phones.
I just, you know, I'm just locked in the fucking Apple ecosystem.
But I love the rebels.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like my friend Brian Simpson, he's Android for life.
He makes fun of everybody with Apple.
Gordon Ryan, same thing.
Android for life.
And you, you know, you like annoying people.
remi warren
I do.
I'm just like, my favorite thing is just breaking green bubbles.
You know, and the best is like, I get taken off of group text.
I'm like, thank God.
unidentified
Yeah.
Because they can't iMessage with you on.
remi warren
Yeah, exactly.
So I'm like, take me off.
Sweet.
Awesome.
Thank you.
I didn't want to hear that anyways.
joe rogan
There's actually hearings about this now because some people are arguing that Apple has created an unfair monopoly on the cell phone world because of the whole green bubble, blue bubble, iMessage thing.
remi warren
It's such a psychological...
It's so weird.
People are real attached to that.
joe rogan
Well, it's a status thing with kids.
If kids have Android phones, they get mocked.
There's some nutty thing.
It's like 90% of teenagers have iPhones.
remi warren
Really?
joe rogan
Because if you have like a Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra, which is arguably the best phone on earth, if you have that phone, you give a green bubble.
You looked at less than you have an iPhone X. Because you get a special color bubble.
You get a blue bubble.
remi warren
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Because you're iMessaging.
You can have an old-ass iPhone and people respect you more.
You're not that poor.
Literally, the Galaxy S24 Ultra is...
Listen, forget about fanboy shit.
It's the best phone on Earth.
It's the best phone.
It has AI built into the phone that will translate in real time.
Built into the phone.
It has...
AI that will transcribe voice recordings and summarize it for you.
So you can make voice notes.
It'll summarize it for you.
It'll write texts in different styles.
Like you could say, make this more business, make this more friendly.
And it'll do that with AI. Yeah, it's pretty wild.
That's nuts!
And it has a stylus.
You can write on it, and it'll turn it into text.
Like, you could write on it in your shitty-ass handwriting, and it'll transcribe it in a normal typeset.
remi warren
Yeah.
I do a lot of filming or whatever with it, photos.
It's pretty crazy, the stability of zooming in at 10 power and handhold it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
remi warren
It's pretty wild.
joe rogan
And now, when they're doing this, like, with these phones, like, Apple's phones don't give you nearly as much flexibility in terms of, like, what you can do with the camera app.
remi warren
Right.
Or, like, multitasking.
joe rogan
That's another thing they do.
remi warren
I can do anything.
joe rogan
You'd have two windows going simultaneously.
You could have a YouTube video.
Well, you kind of can do that window in window.
You can kind of do that with Apple with YouTube.
YouTube will, like, let you have, like, a little tiny window.
remi warren
Right.
joe rogan
But with this, it'll separate your screen for you.
remi warren
I can talk on the phone and watch a movie if I want to.
joe rogan
Yeah, literally.
It'll separate your screen for you and show you the two things.
It's pretty interesting.
But it's all that locked into that Apple world, which so many people, including me, are locked into that world.
So if you do deviate, it's like, what are you doing?
It's like, you're living in the woods now with your green bubble.
remi warren
People will probably listen to the podcast and be like, I used to like that Remy guy, but he's the same.
I can't trust anything he says now.
Oh my god.
joe rogan
It is interesting.
I don't think that it's a monopoly.
I just think that they've developed a way to make a product that everybody wants.
I mean, it's a sneaky move, but how is that any different than Nike?
If you wear Nike, you're cool.
If you wear Keds, you're a fucking loser.
Do you notice when you have them on that much?
I guess maybe you do by the way they look.
Yeah.
What's the difference?
Like, why do you care?
But people care.
remi warren
People care.
joe rogan
It's a status thing.
remi warren
Yeah, it makes people angry.
Like, I don't really give a shit.
Like, I don't care what other people use.
I just use what I like.
joe rogan
What problems do you encounter by using an Android phone?
remi warren
It's mostly just people complaining about the bubble situation.
unidentified
That's it?
remi warren
And I'm like, people will be like, so on your phone does a bubble?
And I was like, no.
There's actually no...
It doesn't even matter.
I guess they started doing something like a screen or something.
joe rogan
Well, on your phone, you can have your text in all kinds of different colors.
remi warren
Yeah, it doesn't matter.
joe rogan
But you can change it.
There's different ways you can have it set up.
remi warren
That's the main problem.
And then I think the other problem is when somebody sends a photo, because...
Yeah, I don't know.
I'm not a spokesperson for Samsung.
It's SMS. Yeah, it's the most old technology there is.
And so you can't communicate with my phone, not because your phone's superior, but because it doesn't use new technology.
joe rogan
That's the argument that Apple is actually having to take a step to combat that.
So what they're doing is they're coming out with RCS texting.
RCS texting is Rich something, I forget what it's called.
But what that means is that you'll be able to have the same capability that you have, like, say, if you use WhatsApp or Signal.
remi warren
Right.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
If you use one of those encoded messaging services, you can send a full-resolution photograph.
You can send a video.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's not, like, a size limitation.
So with iMessage, you could send anything back and forth to iMessage people.
But if someone wants to send you a photo, they have to send an SMS. So it could be this, like...
You know, huge, amazing, high-resolution photo that you took on your Android phone with that crazy 200-megapixel lens.
Well, I get this bullshit-ass photo.
Bro, your fucking camera sucks!
remi warren
Exactly.
joe rogan
Because it compresses the shit out of it.
And the videos are the worst.
remi warren
They're the worst.
Like this little square.
joe rogan
It's like you're back in 1998. Right.
It's like AOL.com.
You've got mail.
That's what it looks like.
remi warren
Exactly.
But it's like, just get your shit with the rest of the world, man.
joe rogan
Apple should have done that a long time ago.
They were only, like, Tim Cook literally said, get your mom an iPhone.
When someone said, how come, you know, I can't text with my mom?
Get your mom an iPhone.
That's what he said.
My mom was like, whoa.
That's not the way to handle it, fella.
You're going to get people mad at you.
They just have everybody locked in.
It's pretty smart.
Whatever they've done, it's quite genius because the psychological aspect of it is what's interesting.
You know, it's similar to, like, Windows and Macs.
But it's more because you're using it in public with everybody.
remi warren
Right.
joe rogan
Whereas if you have a Windows or Mac, if you sent me an email from a Windows laptop and I have a Mac laptop, I have no idea you're sending me it from a Windows.
It's just coming in as an email.
It's the same thing.
So they figured out a way to have the thing that you carry and use the most connected to a brand that has status attached to it.
remi warren
Yeah.
It's genius.
Pretty clever!
It's the best technology they got.
joe rogan
I don't see how that's illegal though.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
No one's stopping you from going out and getting a Samsung.
remi warren
Right.
Yeah, that to me is weird.
joe rogan
Google's one of the biggest companies in the world.
And they have their own phones.
remi warren
Right.
joe rogan
They have Pixels.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which is also a great phone.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then you can take those.
The interesting thing, I've been going back and forth with people about this because I had a conversation with Tulsi Gabbard where we were talking about these phones that are de-Googled phones.
And I guess I misspoke because I was saying that you can't use all the regular apps with them.
So I think you can, but I just don't know if you can use because it doesn't track your location.
So I don't know how you would use Google Maps without giving it access to your location.
remi warren
Yeah, I think you would if you used those apps, right?
joe rogan
But then does it keep your location, or does Graphene keep it from doing that?
remi warren
I'm not sure, I'm not.
joe rogan
Because Google is a little snitch.
Google gives you up wherever you are.
Wherever you are with that phone, they know who you are.
remi warren
Oh yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
So I was watching this video on this last night by that Rob Braxman guy, and he was explaining, he's an interesting guy that is like all about, his whole YouTube channel is about privacy.
It's all about how many people are siphoning off information off your phone and everything every day.
But what he was saying that the people that got arrested January 6th All the people that were, like, around the Capitol, they got arrested because of their cell phone data.
So their cell phone data gave their geolocation, their tracking.
And so what the FBI did was say, hey, who was there?
And they went to all these different cell phone companies, they got all their data, and they said, well, all these people shows that their phone was on the Capitol lawn or was in the Capitol building.
And they know where they were.
And so then they go, hey, you're going to jail.
remi warren
That's wild.
joe rogan
Yeah.
From your location of your phone.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
And even if you were there, just to see what's going on.
Like, if you and I were there, and you have your bullshit snitch phone over there, and that bullshit snitch phone is just constantly giving off all of your location to anybody and every app that asked for it, and you're on that Capitol lawn, and you're like, this is crazy, let's get out of here.
And then all of a sudden, like six months later, the FBI knocks on your door and thinks you're an insurrectionist.
remi warren
Yeah, that's wild.
unidentified
Woo!
remi warren
See, I like it knowing where I'm at.
So when the AI takes over, it's like, oh, he's one of the good guys.
He's on our side.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's not one of them Ted Kaczynski guys living in the woods trying to blow us up.
remi warren
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think inevitably there will be no escape.
And I think all this de-Googled stuff, and it's great.
It's really probably good to protect yourself from, you know, the prying eyes of big government and big business and big data and all these people that try it.
It's probably good to not do that.
But also, you know, it's happening.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's happening, kids.
Like, we're getting sucked into some new world.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Whether you like it or not, it's coming.
remi warren
It's how it is, unfortunately.
joe rogan
It's how it is.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's how it is.
Brian Simpson's funny because he was just complaining the other night.
He's like, I give Google all my information.
I'm like, go ahead, spy on me.
Get it all.
And they still fuck it up.
They'll still offer me ads.
Like, bitch, why did you think I would want to buy that?
unidentified
That's good.
joe rogan
It's true.
It's like it's not perfect yet.
remi warren
No.
joe rogan
It's not perfect.
remi warren
But yeah, that's just the world we live in apparently.
joe rogan
Does it mess with any of the things like Onyx Hunt or anything like that?
Is there any difference between those?
remi warren
Every once in a while you'll get an app that's not developed as well for it, but that's about it.
joe rogan
What are examples of an app that's not as good?
remi warren
I haven't used one in a long time, to be honest.
joe rogan
They used to say Instagram, but now apparently it's optimized for it.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
I watch a lot of videos on this stuff.
remi warren
There was a few.
Yeah, there was certain things that would work and then not work.
joe rogan
When I want to waste time, I watch videos on cell phones that I'll never buy.
remi warren
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
I watch videos on cell phones that are coming out of China.
China has amazing tech, man.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
The tech that's coming out of China right now, I mean, have you seen their electric cars that could just drive over bumps, and there's zero motion in the car?
remi warren
No, I haven't seen that.
joe rogan
They have all these little speed bumps set up, and this car has like balanced champagne glasses.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
On the roof of the car, or on the hood of the car, and the car's driving over it, and it's not disturbing them.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
It's insane.
remi warren
Huh, that's crazy.
joe rogan
They have crazy technology in their automobiles right now in China.
Like, it used to be just a few years ago, like Elon said, their electric cars are kind of bullshit.
But now they're like, you look at them, you're like, holy fuck, man.
They look like spaceships.
They have crazy capability.
They can go in circles.
Some of them can spin 360 degrees in a circle.
remi warren
In place?
joe rogan
In place.
So, like, if you want to do a U-turn, you don't have to do a U-turn, just do a spin.
remi warren
Really?
joe rogan
Your car just spins around.
remi warren
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Nuts!
remi warren
Yeah, I guess that's in a place like China where it's just jam-packed.
unidentified
Probably a good move.
joe rogan
Yeah, good move to be able to just spin around in a circle.
But they have a video of the car doing it in a parking lot.
It's bananas.
It's just spinning in a circle.
remi warren
That's crazy.
joe rogan
And it can go backwards and forwards, and then you can go forward and backward.
remi warren
Yeah, it's wild.
There's technology that's just beyond what...
joe rogan
Most people don't even know how good self-driving is right now.
Self-driving, like I have a Tesla, my self-driving, it's insane how good it is.
It changes lanes, stops at red lights, starts again when the light turns green.
remi warren
It's crazy.
joe rogan
It knows where all the cars are around it.
You can see the cars in the screen.
Like in the screen, when I'm looking down, you see an image of your car and everything that's around you.
It's recognized.
This is a pickup truck.
This is a delivery truck.
This is a Volkswagen Beetle.
This is nuts!
remi warren
That's crazy.
joe rogan
And it just drives for you.
You're supposed to keep your hands on the wheel, but some people fall asleep.
But if you keep your hands on the wheel, it'll drive you home.
So if you're like, I broke my foot, fuck, what do I do?
I can't.
I just get to the car, punch in the thing, and it'll just take you home.
remi warren
Huh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
remi warren
Yeah, that's pretty crazy.
joe rogan
It's nuts.
And that's just the beginning.
I think in 20 years, the idea of driving your own car is going to be like riding a horse to work.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, what?
He drove his own car?
Is that even legal?
Where are you going to park that horse?
That's literally how people are going to look at it.
Everyone's going to have an automated car.
It's going to cut down on the automobile fatalities by...
90%, 100%, and it's going to cut down on the fun by 100%.
remi warren
Yeah, that's the part.
There is something about driving and responsibility and having your life in your hands and having to pay attention to things.
Yeah, it's good for you.
Yeah, we're creating a world where we don't have to pay attention to things.
I noticed that in what I do.
You bring someone out in the wild, and the things that they don't notice is uncanny.
Like, dude, what do you...
joe rogan
You don't see that mountain lion?
remi warren
Yeah.
You're not paying enough attention for the experience that we're having right now, right here.
joe rogan
Yeah, put your phone away.
And people that are not used to just looking around them, 360 degrees, you're on a mountain.
There's hills and valleys, and there's water down there.
There's things overhead, and it's like...
It's sensory overload for a person who's used to cities.
remi warren
Yeah.
Well, I just walked...
I don't spend much time in large cities, but I just walked from my hotel to breakfast.
I looked at the map, saw where it was, walked there.
And the amount of people that almost ran into me was insane.
Like, dude, at what point do we...
Like, does anybody look up and maneuver?
I was just noticing so many people never even looking up.
joe rogan
So many people are looking at their phone while they're walking across the street, which I think is so crazy.
remi warren
I always have to be the protective...
I've got little kids now too, so I'm always on the lookout for cars and other things.
They started putting signs in Germany or somewhere where they're on the ground so they can see whether to walk or not walk when they're on the ground.
The lights are now on the ground because everybody's looking down.
joe rogan
How many people are developing bad posture because of this?
unidentified
A lot.
joe rogan
Because it has to affect you.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're doing this all the time?
remi warren
Hunched over.
joe rogan
Until we got these chairs, I'd get back pain every podcast episode.
Because you've got to think you're sitting, which is not good for you.
It's not good to sit.
And then you're sitting in like a regular chair that has like a slump back.
unidentified
You're leaning back.
joe rogan
You're leaning back and you've got a weird posture.
At the end of the podcast, I'd be like, ah, center of my back would be stiff.
So these kind of chairs, like ergonomic chairs, they force you to have good posture.
remi warren
Yeah, I noticed that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
remi warren
Probably speak better, too.
unidentified
Probably.
joe rogan
I don't think so.
remi warren
You know, like when you're...
unidentified
Maybe.
remi warren
You sit up and object.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Yeah, I guess so.
Yeah, maybe.
I still find myself doing this sometimes, but much more often than I would be, I sit straight.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I just support...
Because posture is essentially like a static exercise.
That's really what it is.
You know, you just...
Because your body wants to do this.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's like a static hold that you keep up all day.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But if you do it, you're better off.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you do this, you lean for that, you're going to get a neck problem.
remi warren
You are.
joe rogan
My daughter used to go to school with this kid, and I was always saying, how does this kid even do this?
Because he always had his chin to his chest.
He'd be sitting out in front of the school waiting for his mom to pick him up, and this kid has to his chest like this.
He was a skinny kid, and his head was flat.
The back of his neck, his head was growing out of the center of his chest.
It looked painful.
And his body has just gotten used to it.
He doesn't even bother to hold his fucking head up.
He lets his head just drop down on his chest.
remi warren
That's crazy.
joe rogan
How many kids are gonna get, like, is that an issue?
It is, right?
Like, neck problems because of cell phones?
jamie vernon
I'm remembering this picture Tom Segura posted one time.
joe rogan
Look at that guy!
That's crazy!
remi warren
There's no head.
joe rogan
That is exactly what that kid looks like that would go to my daughter's school.
The poor bastard.
jamie vernon
That's nuts.
joe rogan
That looks like somebody took the Samsung pen and got rid of his head.
There's another thing the Samsung thing could do.
If someone's annoying, And if we take a photo, I'm like, I'm tired of Jamie's bullshit.
You could just circle Jamie and press that little magic button and poof, Jamie goes away.
And they'll fill you in with the background.
How do you like that?
jamie vernon
Better pictures, get everybody out of them.
joe rogan
But you could also doctor photos too.
You could make things way bigger than they really are.
Like you could take a car and say, look at this crazy car I saw.
Just put it in the middle of the street, bigger than everything else.
And everybody would be like, what the fuck?
remi warren
It's so hard to tell what's real anymore.
joe rogan
It's real hard to tell.
remi warren
It's crazy.
joe rogan
It's almost impossible.
remi warren
I know.
I always get these ads that are like you talking about something that's not you talking.
joe rogan
Yeah.
remi warren
It's insane.
joe rogan
So many people send them to me.
They go, hey, man, is this real?
Like, oh, no.
remi warren
No.
joe rogan
I've never heard of that company.
I don't know what they're doing.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're just jacking my voice.
It's probably some dude in Nigeria making some money.
remi warren
Get a free crossbow.
Why is Joe Rogan selling free crossbows?
joe rogan
This came up today because someone was saying that Kanye West is making a limited production Cybertruck, like he redesigned the outside of the Cybertruck, and it's like three million dollars.
And so dudes were asking me about, I'm like, I don't know if that's real.
Like, I saw that thing too, like on, I think I saw it on Instagram.
I don't know if that's real.
It looks fake.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
It looks like something I would do and say and get a bunch of clicks.
remi warren
You can always tell because it's like- Yeah, that thing.
joe rogan
Is that real?
The Yeezy Cybertruck?
1.2 million US dollars.
The car is all about straight lines.
Like, how?
How is that real?
How do you even say out of that?
A video, okay, scroll up, says a video surface online supposedly reveals the design of Kanye West's limited edition Yeezy Cybertruck.
All black, futuristic twist to an already pretty out there and controversial design.
I was telling you, my daughters hate the Cybertruck.
They hate it.
remi warren
Why is that?
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
remi warren
Just not cool?
joe rogan
They hate it.
I go, I think it's dope.
remi warren
Yeah, they look cool.
joe rogan
They look more dope, though, before I saw a bunch of them on the road.
remi warren
Did I see you try to shoot it with your bow?
joe rogan
Yeah, I did shoot it.
You know what?
It didn't go through.
It bounced right off it.
It can take a.45 slug.
remi warren
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, but I was thinking, like...
If I had heavier arrows, and I had like a single bevel, like an iron will, or even a double bevel, something with a cut on contact, I used like a regular three blade.
It was like a Montech style, you know?
And it just destroyed it.
It bounced right off of it.
remi warren
Is it like steel paneling?
joe rogan
Steel, yeah.
It's thick too.
remi warren
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's crazy.
It's like 7,000 pounds, that thing.
remi warren
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you can shoot it.
A lot of people online have shot them with guns.
Nine Miller is just emptying Uzis in the side of the truck and it doesn't go through it.
It's pretty nuts.
remi warren
That is crazy.
joe rogan
Well, that's just for fun.
He did that for fun.
That's how crazy that dude is.
He's like, let's make it bulletproof.
It's also arrow proof.
Yeah, but it made me think like if I had you know a two blade so it's just you know it cuts better it gets more penetration and then if I had a sleeve over the collar over the end of it you know like some protective yeah sort of and then a heavier arrow.
remi warren
An outsert with a heavy arrow.
joe rogan
An outsert heavy arrow and I was thinking if I had my 90 pound bow Maybe.
Maybe get that to stick in there a little bit.
unidentified
Maybe.
joe rogan
Maybe not, though.
remi warren
I don't know.
joe rogan
I mean, if it's bouncing bullets off of it, it's pretty thick.
remi warren
It is.
Yeah, I don't know.
You try it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Are you still a two-blade guy now?
remi warren
I am, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're all in on that now.
remi warren
I am, yeah.
joe rogan
And you think you prefer penetration over a big cut?
remi warren
I do, yeah.
But it's because, you know, where I try to edge toward the shoulder more, where, like, the shoulder blade's there to protect the vitals.
And so if you accidentally hit that, I'd rather have penetration and still make a clean kill.
joe rogan
With a two-blade.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's the real debate.
Mechanicals versus...
remi warren
Yeah, and I feel like it's better to make a good shot, because with a mechanical you have to almost intentionally make a bad shot sometimes, but banking on the fact that it's cutting larger.
Because you have to stay away from the shoulder, or depending on the angle, a quartered away shot.
I've had failures with mechanical ones, so I just stay away from them.
joe rogan
What mechanicals have you tried in the past?
remi warren
A lot of different ones.
joe rogan
So this is another thing.
Cam shoots the craziest mechanical.
He shoots what's called a carnivore.
remi warren
Have you ever seen those Grim Reapers?
Is it a Grim Reaper one?
Those ones, I like the Grim Reaper ones.
joe rogan
Dude, it's a catapult.
You're shooting a catapult at this thing.
It's like this big.
It opens a tunnel in their body cabin.
They just die.
They go down quick.
It's crazy to see how fast things go down, because you open up such a hole in them, and he shoots 90 pounds too, so he's got a lot of kinetic energy.
A lot of kinetic energy, and then this big cutting surface of four blades.
And they're pretty gnarly looking.
When you see them open, you're like, Jesus.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
But there's a lot going on there.
remi warren
Right.
joe rogan
And if you do hit the shoulder...
remi warren
Or there's a lot of things that go wrong.
joe rogan
Right.
remi warren
Sometimes the simplest design is the best design.
We've been using two-blade arrow tips for thousands of years.
joe rogan
Yeah, this one right here.
Check that out.
That's a real one.
remi warren
This was probably a...
Is this a fishing?
This was probably for fishing.
joe rogan
You think so?
Because it's so wide or so big?
remi warren
Yeah.
Where did the...
Did this come from Texas?
joe rogan
Yeah.
remi warren
Probably dug out of like a sandy bottom.
joe rogan
Could be.
Why would you think that that one would be for fishing?
Just the width of it?
It's too big?
remi warren
Yeah, I've just seen a lot of these like this that would be the size of it, yeah.
joe rogan
Really?
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
So to debilitate the fish, not like a barb type thing?
remi warren
Yeah, it would probably...
I could be wrong, but I have some similar to this that I was told were for fishing.
joe rogan
Were they attaching strings to the end of their arrows when they would shoot fish with the arrows?
remi warren
No, I don't think so.
unidentified
Oh, really?
remi warren
I think they just shoot the fish.
I've seen guys still in the Amazon and stuff.
They shoot the fish and then they grab the arrow.
joe rogan
I did see that.
Didn't Rinella do that?
He went to Guyana, right?
remi warren
Yeah, something like that.
Yeah.
Yeah, and you probably, those like long arrow, you know, probably, I mean, I imagine there'd be whatever species traveling up those more sandy bottoms when they're spawning and stuff like that.
So they probably shoot spawning fish a lot and then have those and you just grab the arrows with the fish on it.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
remi warren
Make it a lot easier than just grabbing the fish.
joe rogan
So this would be, do you think it'd just be too big for deer?
remi warren
Yeah, I think so.
You see a lot of the hunting big game ones are probably half the size of that.
Depends on where I'm at, you see a lot of obsidian arrowheads.
joe rogan
Hmm.
remi warren
But, you know, I'm not sure down here.
That could be, it'd just be, my guess is it'd be hard to get that to fly very good for very much distance.
joe rogan
Right.
remi warren
You know, so you probably used like a long arrow, maybe not even any fletching, shooting at a short distance.
unidentified
Hmm.
remi warren
Which could be, I mean, brush country, like I don't, I'm not real familiar with what's around here, so.
joe rogan
There's a lot of brush out there.
remi warren
Yeah, but they're probably hunting deer and, you know, they're probably in tight quarters too, so it could work for deer.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's kind of amazing.
remi warren
I mean, you could definitely use that for deer hunting.
joe rogan
It's kind of amazing that when they were here, there weren't even any pigs.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
And now they're fucking swarming.
remi warren
Yeah, I was in a place down in, I guess it would be West Texas, out at hunting.
It was the last year, maybe the year before.
But this place had a cave on it, in it, and there was like cave paintings and stuff.
But you got to think like when they were, they said that that cave was probably used for thousands of years.
Like you could see where people had sat and it was worn smooth.
It was pretty wild.
But when those people were here hunting, it was a forest.
Now it's a desert.
unidentified
Wow!
remi warren
You know, so you think about it, like...
joe rogan
Climate change.
unidentified
Just completely different.
joe rogan
Maybe they should have been better with their carbon.
remi warren
They probably should have.
I think they probably stopped climate change by killing all the mammoths, right?
joe rogan
I don't think they killed all the mammoths.
remi warren
No, they didn't.
There's no way.
joe rogan
There's no way.
It doesn't make sense.
remi warren
It doesn't.
joe rogan
Well, it's also, it's like there's so many spots on Earth where you go, wait, that used to be a forest, like the Sahara Desert used to be a rainforest?
unidentified
What?
Yeah.
What?
remi warren
Right.
joe rogan
And while people were alive?
unidentified
What?
remi warren
Pretty crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Haven't they found...
Wasn't there, like, the bones of some kind of whale that they found in the Sahara?
Do I remember this correctly?
It might have been one of them.
There are a bunch of these Instagram pages that are just 100% full of shit.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like a 30-foot tall skeleton of a man uncovered in Turkey, and this archaeologist digging it out, and you're like, what?
And then you go, oh, this fucking page.
remi warren
So there was this thing that I did see.
It's near where I live in Reno, but outside of Reno.
unidentified
Is this real?
joe rogan
It's an ocean-going mammal.
Wow.
Some of the earliest forms of whale.
Okay, so this whale, where does it say they found it?
They found it in Egypt in the desert.
Was it called a basilosaurid?
Huh.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Designated a UNESCO World Heritage Site in July 205 for its hundreds of fossils to some of the earliest forms of whale.
Wow!
The Archaeoceti, a now extinct suborder of whales.
The site reveals evidence for the explanation of one of the greatest mysteries of the evolution of whales, the emergence of the whale as an ocean-going mammal from a previous life as a land-based mammal.
No other place in the world yields the number, concentration, and quality of such fossils.
That's wild.
That is wild.
Look how big it is!
Look what they found!
remi warren
Imagine a whale walking around.
joe rogan
Bro, look what they found!
Look at that!
That's insanity!
They found an enormous whale skeleton in the fucking desert.
Do you ever see the animal that they said was a whale before it became a whale?
It looks like a wolf!
remi warren
No, I haven't seen it.
joe rogan
I had a photo of it on my Instagram.
This is the original.
Look at the fucking mouth of the whale.
Holy shit, dude.
That thing's crazy.
They found that thing.
remi warren
Little feet.
joe rogan
Little feet.
They found that thing.
unidentified
Huh.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
So show the animal, Jamie, that used to be a whale or that a whale became a whale from this, evolved from this animal.
It looks like some weird-looking dog-like wolf thing.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
No, there's images that they've recreated of what it looked like when it was walking around on the ground.
Yeah, that's it.
The origin of whales.
That thing.
remi warren
Looks like a giant rat.
joe rogan
It does look like a rat there.
That one's actually in the water.
And it's not that big either.
How the fuck do whales get so big?
But if you see the images of what it looked like, there's one that I had, Jamie.
It's on my Instagram.
Because I remember, that's what it looked like.
Look at that one down there with the flippers and the teeth.
remi warren
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Look at that fucker.
So those suckers walked around on the ground outside.
And then somehow or another they chose to live in the ocean, allegedly, if you believe in evolution, if you're one of those silly fucks.
remi warren
That's wild.
joe rogan
If you're one of those silly people who doesn't believe the world was created in six days.
You think that that's what happened?
remi warren
Whales?
joe rogan
They used to be like a land mammal.
That's pretty crazy.
And it somehow or another became a whale.
remi warren
Yeah, that's wild.
joe rogan
And also...
How long did it take before you figured that out?
remi warren
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
How many bones did you guys have to...
Who was the guy who gave...
Hey, I got a crazy thought.
remi warren
Yeah, because I imagine they probably didn't find it all.
Well, it looked like they found it all in one piece, but maybe they just stacked it like that.
They probably haven't found a lot intact like that.
It's one little piece.
What's this giant bone?
joe rogan
Right.
I mean, that one looked intact.
I hope they weren't bullshitting in that photo.
Because I hope they found it like that, which is cool as shit.
You know, that's all laid out there.
jamie vernon
You're making me think of this meme I saw recently.
Have you seen this?
joe rogan
The skeleton?
How aliens would recreate the animal.
The animal.
Oh, that's funny.
Oh, right.
A rabbit.
Versus, like, if you look at the skeleton, yeah, right?
Yeah, you would think that's some sort of a predatory animal.
That's funny.
jamie vernon
That's a rabbit.
Like if you saw an owl skeleton, you wouldn't know.
It had giant feathers covering up its feet.
joe rogan
What is that thing in the lower left?
What the hell is that thing?
Past that.
Lower left.
Yeah.
What is that?
jamie vernon
A drawn...
joe rogan
So if someone took the bones of modern animals, like it's probably a horse or something like that, and tried to...
Yeah, because our idea of what a dinosaur looks like is completely speculative.
remi warren
Right.
joe rogan
In fact, in Montana, they have a science museum.
And in the front, they have a velociraptor as they're normally depicted.
And then on the other side, it's how they think they might actually be.
Which is covered in feathers.
remi warren
Just completely covered like a bird.
joe rogan
Yeah, like a bird.
Just like a bird.
Yeah.
remi warren
See that.
I think I've seen pictures of that.
joe rogan
See, we can find that from the Montana Science Museum.
It might be Museum of Natural History, Montana, whatever it is.
But it's in Bozeman.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
I saw it when I was there.
I was like, oh, look at...
Oh, imagine.
Because we think of them as like reptiles.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like some lizard-looking thing.
But they think they...
They at least know some of them.
They now know for sure had feathers because they found fossilized images where it shows where they had feathers.
remi warren
Giant chickens.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's it.
Yeah, that's exactly what it looks like.
So they think it might have looked like that, which is actually even scarier.
remi warren
Right.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
It's kind of scarier if it's pretty.
If it's going to fuck you up and it's beautiful.
remi warren
Yeah, I could see that.
That actually looks more realistic in a way.
unidentified
It does, right?
remi warren
It looks like something that we see.
joe rogan
Right.
And if birds are really dinosaurs that survived, and they have so many of the characteristics that dinosaurs have, Some of them do, right?
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
And, you know, some of them even have teeth.
But if you look at that thing, like, yeah, I could see.
remi warren
Yeah, that looks, it does look like an angry chicken.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
It's moving away from raptors specifically, but yeah, these are all just, I think it's the dinosaurs at that museum.
joe rogan
So, the theory is that many different dinosaurs, perhaps, even the T-Rex, I've heard speculated, the T-Rex, look at that fucker, woo!
That's crazy.
Wow.
Yeah, that looks cooler.
jamie vernon
They put wigs on him.
joe rogan
Yeah, it looks like he's in his hairband phase.
He looks like he could be in Poison.
remi warren
That's funny.
joe rogan
They don't really know.
I mean, one day they'll probably figure it out, but right now it's just a lot of guessing.
I wonder how they could, well, one way they could figure it out is to bring one back.
remi warren
That'd be sweet.
Well, I mean, they could pretty much do that with mammoths now, right?
joe rogan
Oh, they're real close.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're actually going to go see the mammoth when it's actually made.
remi warren
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
remi warren
That's awesome.
joe rogan
Yeah, I want to see it.
I want to see that thing.
Like, what are you going to do with that?
unidentified
Yeah.
remi warren
You're going to let them loose?
So they start with an elephant, and then they do the embryo.
But then how many generations?
joe rogan
I think it's an Indian elephant.
remi warren
Right.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't know.
It's a good question.
remi warren
Because then they'll just keep doing it with the upright to get more...
joe rogan
Yeah.
remi warren
Mammoth?
joe rogan
Yeah, I guess they'll keep doing it and then develop breeding pairs, and then they're going to have to separate them to make sure that they have genetic diversity.
remi warren
Are they going to put them back in the wild?
joe rogan
I think they are.
I think they want to do it in Siberia first.
The idea is that it would stop global warming by somehow or another.
I don't know how.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
They would eat more of the...
remi warren
Yeah, eating more, spreading the seeds probably with their feces.
joe rogan
Probably turn us into a new ice age, these fucking idiots.
remi warren
I think stomping on the ground, too.
joe rogan
They're going to literally cool the planet to the point where we're fucked.
They're going to be like, we're going to kill all the mammoths to bring back global warming.
remi warren
Exactly.
That would be like the next hunting...
joe rogan
Well, that's what my friend Randall Carlson always says.
He said, global warming is a concern.
He goes, but global cooling is a real concern.
He goes, that's what's really scary.
What's really scary is ice ages.
He goes, because there's been moments on Earth while human beings were alive and while animals lived.
There's been moments on Earth where it got so cold that there was so little oxygen on the Earth that we almost didn't make it.
remi warren
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Like, where all biological life was real close to being extinguished.
remi warren
Yeah, having been to the Arctic, you realize, like, you don't want it to be that cold everywhere.
joe rogan
All the time, everywhere.
jamie vernon
Oh my gosh.
joe rogan
And all these fucking eggheads that want to spray the skies with particles and cool the sunlight.
Slow down!
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why don't we just move to the places that used to be cold when it gets a little warmer?
Wouldn't that be a better solution than fucking starting another ice age, you dipshits?
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because they don't really know what's going to happen if they do wind up cooling the earth.
What if it works too good?
remi warren
Yeah.
Or what, I mean, I suppose like one giant volcano, super volcano, could pretty much cool the earth pretty quick too, right?
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
Yeah, one giant volcano and we're fucked.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, anybody who lives anywhere near Yellowstone, when it blows is fucked, but even people in England are fucked if Yellowstone goes.
remi warren
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
Everyone's fucked.
It's gonna be nuclear winter.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Over the whole world.
remi warren
Yeah, it's pretty wild.
joe rogan
All plants are gonna die.
People turn to cannibals.
And that happened.
They got down to the Toba, right?
That's it.
The Toba volcano in Indonesia.
There was a supervolcano that blew.
They think it got down to, I forget the number of thousands of people, but thousands of people left on Earth.
And they trace that back to this particular supervolcano explosion that I think was 70,000 years ago.
remi warren
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, 70,000 years ago.
Toba eruption.
It's been associated with a genetic bottleneck in human evolution about 70,000 years ago.
It's hypothesized that the eruption resulted in a severe reduction in the size of the total human population due to the effects of the eruption and on the global climate.
According to the genetic bottleneck theory, between 50,000 and 100,000 years ago, human populations decreased by 3,000 to 10,000...
decreased to 3,000 to 10,000 surviving individuals.
So there was as little...
As 3,000.
That's the low number of humans on Earth because of this eruption.
So literally, like...
A good-sized theater where I would do a show.
remi warren
That's crazy.
joe rogan
3,000.
Those are the people that live.
That's it.
remi warren
For the whole earth.
Yeah, because we aren't super adapted to the cold, really.
jamie vernon
All 3,000 can be, like, it's not split 50-50 male to female.
joe rogan
Right.
Yeah.
Who knows?
I mean, probably mostly men survived.
It's supported by some genetic evidence suggesting that modern humans are descended from a very small population of between 1,000 and 10,000 breeding pairs.
That existed about 70,000 years ago.
That is fucking kooky.
So there was a 10-year volcanic winter triggered by the eruption.
It could have largely destroyed the food sources of humans and caused severe reduction in population sizes.
These environmental changes may have generated population bottlenecks in many species, including hominids.
This in turn may have accelerated differentiation from within the smaller human population.
Therefore, the genetic differences among modern humans may represent changes within the last 70,000 years rather than the gradual differentiation Over hundreds of thousands of years.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Imagine if only the dummies lived and we had to starve from scratch.
No wheel.
No nothing.
remi warren
Nothing.
joe rogan
No flint tools.
Just morons.
Just the dumbest of fucking humans.
remi warren
Statistically, that's what will happen.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, that's...
It probably...
That's probably what does happen to human populations.
It's probably some sort of a collapse and then a rebuild.
But not everywhere.
I think there's always gonna be a part that gets spared.
Except super volcanoes, it seems.
And asteroid impacts.
Those are biggies.
That's start from scratch and roaches rule.
Then you're fucked.
Which is also on the table.
That's on the menu.
remi warren
Roaches?
joe rogan
No.
Asteroids.
remi warren
But roaches too.
unidentified
Have you ever eaten a cicada?
remi warren
No, I've had grasshoppers and cave crickets.
joe rogan
Callahan was giving out recipes.
remi warren
For cicadas?
joe rogan
And how to cook them.
Yeah, he was telling you how to bake them.
You know his podcast?
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was Cal's Corner.
Is that what it is?
Cal's Weekend Review?
Review, yeah.
So he was telling you how to cook them, bake them in an oven.
He set the temperature for like, you know whatever it is, 250 degrees, whatever.
remi warren
Then you make a flour out of them?
joe rogan
Put teriyaki sauce on them, season them, and you eat them.
remi warren
Okay.
unidentified
Well, I just get better at elk hunting, I guess.
joe rogan
But if you have so many cicadas, don't you want to try them?
remi warren
I guess.
joe rogan
Like, there's places that have these extreme, this year, right, are having extreme blooms, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
remi warren
We have, where I live, big Mormon crickets that come through and they just travel through.
Yeah, they're wild.
joe rogan
Wow.
remi warren
They make the road all slippery.
They'll put out, it's like ice on the road.
Cars go off the road.
Really?
Yeah, so they get squashed, but they start to eat.
They eat the dead ones.
So they pile on to the dead ones and they create these like...
Sludge?
Yeah, and then it gets thicker and thicker and it's just completely slick.
Like the roads get like ice.
joe rogan
Do they plow?
remi warren
I don't think plowing would work.
Whoa!
joe rogan
That's real?
remi warren
I guess they do plow, apparently.
joe rogan
They plowed them on an Idaho highway.
Wow, that's crazy.
Can you show a video of that?
remi warren
There's a...
joe rogan
Look, those are all crickets?
remi warren
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, that's insane.
remi warren
And they're disgusting because they'll go...
joe rogan
That's insane!
So they're just smashing them and then they're scooping them off.
Look how they're scooping them off to the side.
Oh, my God.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just like snow.
remi warren
I had this, I was hunting last year, and there was just a bunch of them everywhere, and there's this old water trough that had, I guess, you know, like a cattle water trough out in the abandoned, and somehow some got in there, must have died, and then the other ones keep piling in.
It was like probably, I don't know, a foot or two deep of just dead crickets with crickets just piling into it, and the smell was so bad.
unidentified
What?
remi warren
You'll never forget that smell.
They're just gnarly.
joe rogan
That's the thing that people keep saying.
Humans are going to have to start eating is crickets.
Cricket protein.
remi warren
There was a small town in rural Nevada that had the crickets come in.
So they just decided, I don't know, they put a bunch of speakers down and would blast hard rock music and apparently kept the crickets away from the town.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
It's a long way!
remi warren
There was a certain band that they figured stopped the crickets.
joe rogan
I don't know what the band is.
remi warren
I think it was Metallica or something.
unidentified
Just invading.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
God, I'd never even heard of this.
Mormon crickets.
Now, they call them Mormons because they fuck so much?
remi warren
I have no clue.
joe rogan
Because they make so many of them?
They have so many kids?
Why are they calling them Mormon crickets?
remi warren
I don't know.
joe rogan
So I've never even heard of these things before.
Have you heard of this, Jamie?
That is nuts.
remi warren
Yeah.
I think they also call them maybe potato crickets or something like that as well.
joe rogan
Wow.
remi warren
But yeah, they're pretty wild.
joe rogan
And is this a once a year thing?
remi warren
Yeah, once a year.
And then there'll be like a big hatch.
I think maybe because of the winter last year.
There's just millions of them.
unidentified
Wow.
jamie vernon
Led Zeppelin and the Rolling Stones.
remi warren
Led Zeppelin, there you go.
unidentified
That's it.
remi warren
That's the one that worked.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Downtown, downtown.
Yeah.
remi warren
So in the apocalypse, know that you can just keep these guys from eating your crops with some With some heavy metal music?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, can you though?
remi warren
I don't know.
joe rogan
It seems like a bunch of them are going to get through anyway.
That's fucking insane.
And they eat each other?
remi warren
Yeah, because you walk through there and you step and you step on them and they create these piles of just eating each other, eating each other, eating each other.
joe rogan
Bro, this is bananas.
How do you stay there?
remi warren
I guess you have to.
Sleeping on the ground.
joe rogan
Oh, camping?
Yeah, it's terrible.
Oh my god.
Have you had that happen?
remi warren
Yeah.
It's not fun.
joe rogan
How'd you sleep?
Did they get in your sleeping bag?
remi warren
No, I zipped it up.
joe rogan
Bro, what does that sound like while you're sleeping?
remi warren
Yeah.
jamie vernon
I was hoping it was going to play cricket sounds for this music.
joe rogan
What does it sound like when you're sleeping?
remi warren
Just crickets crawling.
I mean, it's not...
joe rogan
Just constant crawling.
remi warren
Yeah, or you feel, and then they kind of like hop.
You hear like the dunks of them hitting the thing.
joe rogan
Hitting the tent?
Oh, bro.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, you gotta wipe the guts off your boots.
Look at that.
unidentified
Ugh.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Ugh.
remi warren
Yeah, it's not all the time, but it is like generally late summer.
joe rogan
I know we've covered this before, but what exactly happens to grasshoppers if they become locusts?
There's something that has to do with the population, the numbers, and the time of year.
Where grasshopper becomes locust and they just fill the air and fucking destroy everything.
Destroy everybody's crops.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Everything.
Like, people starve to death because of locust infestations.
remi warren
Well, I think, yeah, even something like that.
You see the plants, they just come, they'll be on the plants and just, it's like a tree covered in the bugs and they're just constantly eating it, eating it, eating it.
And then I guess they lay the eggs under the ground and then die.
And then they emerge again.
Pfft!
It's wild.
joe rogan
If you lived in, like, the 1800s and you're, like, barely getting by growing corn and then those guys come by.
remi warren
Bad day.
joe rogan
People died, man.
I mean, wasn't that, like, a biblical threat?
Like a curse?
The curse of locusts?
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wasn't that, like, a thing that people would do back in the day?
remi warren
Yeah.
Almost like a plague.
joe rogan
A plague of locusts.
Yeah.
remi warren
Just come and eat all your food.
joe rogan
What causes grasshoppers to become locusts?
jamie vernon
I'm looking at, so all locusts are grasshoppers, not all grasshoppers are locusts.
There's three different kinds specifically that turn into that.
Big difference, you know, grasshoppers are solitary locust swarm, but I'm not seeing what What causes it?
joe rogan
The thing that I had read was that it was a particular type of grasshopper when there's a certain population density.
It causes some morphogenic change in the animal.
remi warren
And then they just move together?
joe rogan
Yeah.
remi warren
Because it is weird, like, those Mormon crickets, they do that where they move in a certain direction and they're all moving together.
It's really weird.
joe rogan
Bizarre.
jamie vernon
They change when they're crowded or isolated.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's something about the amount of them.
They get a bunch of them together.
It's like a gang mentality.
When you have riots and people storm in the streets and it's like a mob mentality.
remi warren
They just keep going and adding.
joe rogan
I guess that happens with them, too.
But they have changes in their actual physiology.
There's a video explaining it here, but I... The strange thing that turns grasshoppers into locusts, it's on YouTube, Bizarre Beasts.
That fella looks like he knows what he was talking about.
It's weird when animals can change.
For some reason bugs, I can kind of deal with it.
But like pigs, the wild pig thing is one of the craziest things of all time.
That if you let a domestic pig loose, their snout lengthens, their fur grows, and they start growing these tusks.
And it happens pretty quick.
remi warren
Yeah.
Yeah, they just go feral and it's the way that they can survive better because they aren't getting fed all the time.
So there's physiological changes because they have to root around.
joe rogan
But there's no other animal.
If you let a dog go, a dog's just going to be a dog.
We tried to figure that out yesterday.
We were joking around.
How long would it take before a dog becomes a wolf?
remi warren
Yeah, I don't know.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, if humans turned wolves into dogs, how many generations of wild dogs would it take for a wolf emerged?
remi warren
I don't know.
I have seen a pack of wild dogs in an area where there are wolves, and those wild dogs, like, they get pretty vicious and pretty efficient pretty fast.
joe rogan
Oh, I'm sure.
remi warren
They probably act just like wolves.
Yeah, they could probably crossbreed with the wolves.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Oh, they definitely could.
There's a lot of wolf hybrids.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, people buy wolf hybrids all the time.
remi warren
I wonder, though, if they would actually survive, you know, kind of the challenge to breed.
But if the pack of feral dogs is large enough, they could probably...
joe rogan
I wonder if it's a cycle that just would happen automatically if given enough time.
Like if you could reproduce the cycle of turning a wolf into a dog, if you just let the dogs out and there would be no more dogs and just be all wolves and then civilization re-emerges and we turn wolves into dogs again.
remi warren
I wonder.
joe rogan
Maybe.
But if you take a wild pig and you put it in a pen, that fucker's wild forever.
You have a wild boar.
Now it's not going to shrink, right?
remi warren
No.
joe rogan
It's not going to turn pink again.
jamie vernon
In the early colonial times, that's why they would clip their ears in certain patterns.
That's where the word earmark came from.
joe rogan
Whoa!
jamie vernon
Because they would be domestic and running around, they would need to know which ones were theirs, I guess.
unidentified
Whoa!
joe rogan
Pigs were allowed to live a basically feral existence, but they were still what we'd recognize as domestic swine.
The practice of free-ranging pigs may still exist in some areas, but I think it largely died out during the 20th century.
However, as a result, just about every part of North America can support feral pigs as them.
However, in California, a landowner in the 1920s imported European wild boar for hunting.
I think that landowner was William Randolph Hearst.
I'm pretty sure.
Yeah, that cocksucker.
That's the reason why weed's illegal to this day, that piece of shit.
These animals hybridize with feral pigs, producing the offspring with some of the appearance and characteristics of wild boar.
That genetic line has been spreading for 95 years or so, and it's been quite successful.
Yeah, there's so many of them in California, man.
It's nuts.
They have them in San Jose, in people's yards.
People in suburbs, they'll wake up and there's fucking wild pigs knocking over dumpsters and rooting in their garbage.
Yeah, rooting in their garden, tearing their lawns apart.
They could destroy giant chunks of turf, golf course turf.
They just go right through it.
remi warren
Yep, and just root it up and going for worms and other stuff.
They smell what's underneath the grass and go for it.
joe rogan
If you were just living wild and if the world goes to shit, they're the best animal to have around because you are insured there's going to be a high population if you don't have predators.
remi warren
You don't have predators.
There's like feral goats.
Goats multiply super fast.
They live in really harsh environments.
joe rogan
That's probably why people brought them to Hawaii, right?
remi warren
Yeah, Hawaii, New Zealand, a lot of places, and they just flourish because they can go in everything from jungles to deserts.
joe rogan
Do you smoke cigars?
remi warren
No, but go.
joe rogan
When people do bring animals into a place, like we were talking about Adam Greentree today, And he, you know, he lives in Australia where they kill cats.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because they have so many wild cats that wild cats have killed everything.
Wild domestic cats, regular cats, killed all the ground-nesting birds.
They've just decimated populations.
remi warren
Yeah, different reptiles.
joe rogan
Yeah, they just fuck everything up.
So they hunt them over there.
So if you get a...
You ever seen an Australian hunting magazine?
remi warren
Oh, yeah.
It's like they got a guy with a cat on the front.
joe rogan
A dead cat!
remi warren
Look at this big tabby.
joe rogan
I got a nice cat, mate.
You're like, whoa.
Yeah.
You know, it's just every time humans bring an animal into an area, almost definitely, especially if it's a predator, they're going to fuck everything up.
remi warren
Yeah, and most of the time they bring it in to control the rats and the mice.
And it's like, well, nobody's going to, they're elusive.
They're going to definitely kill the ground-nesting birds that are way easier to hunt and kill.
joe rogan
Yeah, they don't know their job.
It's so funny that people didn't know.
I mean, I guess they just didn't know.
They probably had shitty books.
They did all this stuff in the 18...
like New Zealand.
When did they start doing that?
remi warren
Oh, bringing animals over?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What year was that?
remi warren
Yeah, the 18-something.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Just let's bring animals over, no predators.
What could go wrong?
remi warren
Right.
And they're just exploding populations.
But it really shows you, too, like, when there's predators on the landscape, they definitely take a toll on the prey species.
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
remi warren
For sure.
joe rogan
Well, like, reintroduction of wolves.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, and now they're doing it in Colorado.
Like, good idea, guys.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bring them everywhere.
They're talking about bringing grizzly bears to the Cascades.
remi warren
I saw that.
joe rogan
Do you guys not know what a grizzly bear is?
Maybe you should go speak to them about your experience on Fognac Island.
remi warren
The thing about grizzly bears is it's generally people that don't live in those areas making the decisions for the people that do.
If you think about it, in the places where you're going to encounter a bear, there's not that many people that live there.
But the actual number of people that get attacked and killed might be insignificant in the whole population, but in those areas it's pretty significant.
It'd be like, what if we released, I don't know, Kodiak brown bears?
Well, there was brown bears in California, and it's on their flag, right?
Like, coastal, large, giant brown bears.
I mean, a couple of those running through San Francisco would probably clean up the street pretty quick.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
You got a homeless problem?
I got a solution.
remi warren
Yeah, there you go.
Pretty wild.
joe rogan
Let's reintroduce.
We're a bunch of colonizers.
We've stolen this land from bears.
Bring them back.
Bring the amazing bears back.
I miss them.
remi warren
You look at the whole of Canada where there's nobody living, and there's a lot of brown bears, grizzly bears, All the way through Alaska into the Arctic.
There's a lot of those bears around in places where there aren't people.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But the problem with Canada is the population centers like Vancouver don't have bears.
remi warren
Right.
joe rogan
And so they're the ones who vote.
remi warren
Right.
joe rogan
And so they voted to make bear hunting, at least brown bear hunting, illegal in BC. Yeah.
And the guy just got jacked yesterday.
remi warren
Yeah, it becomes more and more popular because we have more people in their territory, and then we're going to expand their range.
But there's a reason that we...
I mean, I love large bears.
It's awesome to see them.
It's an incredible experience, but there's certain places where they can be, and there's certain places where they probably shouldn't be.
There's a reason that we got rid of them in a lot of places because, like, they kill and eat people.
unidentified
Yeah.
remi warren
And imagine if it's like, I mean, percentage-wise, I don't know, the amount of people that get attacked and killed by bears is going up for sure.
And it might be a small percentage, but okay, if you took it per capita, people that are in their turf, right?
Yeah.
Say, I don't even know if it's a.001%, well what would that be of New York City?
Right?
And if you had some monster that came and killed a thousand people a year, you'd be like, let's get rid of this fucking monster.
joe rogan
Which is what they did.
remi warren
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what they did.
I mean, Lebec, California is named for the place where the last person in California was killed by a grizzly bear.
remi warren
Yeah, it's wild.
joe rogan
Yeah, this guy got fucking...
And then they said, hey, let's kill them all.
And then we're like, let's bring them back.
I miss the monsters.
remi warren
Yeah.
Which, I mean, there are places where it's like, it's awesome to see them and they're there and we should have them there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
remi warren
But I don't think that we should have them everywhere.
unidentified
No.
remi warren
Because, and especially with like our populations now, they don't realize what they're doing in those places.
joe rogan
Do you know people are releasing wolves in California, like sketchy people, like sketchy activists?
remi warren
Releasing wolves.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
Yeah, there was one outside of Bakersfield.
We played a video of it on this podcast.
My friend who lives up there found it.
He saw this.
He filmed this.
He was driving on the highway.
And they're like, I think that's a fucking wolf.
And they pulled over and they zoomed in on this wolf.
Hold on a second.
I'll find it.
remi warren
Yeah, I've heard of people.
I guess they've, I mean, there's collared wolves going from Oregon and other places into California.
joe rogan
Right, but this is not that.
remi warren
This is just like releasing wolves in Southern California.
joe rogan
Yeah, some dipshit thought it would be cute to let a wolf go.
And so, I'll find it.
I've got the video in here if you just give me a second.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I know he sent it to me.
So I was hanging out with him and I was like, well, how big was it?
And he sent me this video.
unidentified
I was like, yo, that's a wolf wolf.
joe rogan
And this thing was like five miles from an In-N-Out.
remi warren
Was it like a wild wolf or was it just like a wolf dog that they turned loose?
joe rogan
No, it's a wolf.
It's a wild wolf.
Yeah, goddammit, I can't find it.
I know he sent it to me.
He might have got a new phone number.
I might have his old phone number in my book and not have that image saved in our little text message exchange.
Fuck.
remi warren
He probably didn't have an iPhone, so you don't get the bubble saving.
joe rogan
Yeah, um, eh.
Alright, I give up.
I got it.
I know we played it on the podcast before, but it is a bizarre video, because you watch the video, you're like, wow, that's a big wolf, and it's running near this cow, and then someone comes along and chases it away, and it runs off.
But it's a wolf.
Really?
And then we showed a video yesterday of El Cerritos, California, where a wolf's just running down the street, like a big-ass wolf.
That was apparently a year ago, that was on TikTok.
remi warren
Last year?
joe rogan
See if you can find that again.
unidentified
I found it.
jamie vernon
I found the video of us playing it before.
joe rogan
Hold on.
jamie vernon
Let me find a better version of this.
remi warren
Last year I was in New Mexico, and they have a Mexican wolf.
They're different than the gray wolves or the further north wolves.
Smaller than a timber wolf.
They look kind of like a shaggy wolf.
unidentified
Really?
remi warren
Yeah, they're a lot smaller.
They're like a large coyote, but we saw a lot of them.
unidentified
Really?
remi warren
Yeah, we saw a pack of them, and the same day that we saw four to six of them, a friend of mine, I was with Kip, and they saw six others somewhere else.
They say the population is not that large, but that's a substantial portion of the population.
How much of a survey are they doing?
And at camp, we heard, which would be completely different ones than the ones that we were seeing, because I was like 30 miles away from where I was camping.
joe rogan
And you heard them?
unidentified
How long?
remi warren
Yeah, so you're like, there's a lot of them in here.
I think their populations grow a lot faster than...
joe rogan
Than keep a track of, I'm sure.
I mean, how much money are they spending in Mexico to give a good audit of the wolf population?
remi warren
Yeah, and this is in New Mexico.
joe rogan
Oh, New Mexico.
remi warren
Yeah, northern New Mexico.
Or no, southern New Mexico, sorry.
joe rogan
And so they're coming from Mexico?
remi warren
No, they're just called the Mexican wolf.
It's a separate species of wolf.
joe rogan
Oh, is it not a red wolf?
remi warren
No, a red wolf's also a separate species.
So I think the red wolf's the one that's a lot more rare, but the Mexican wolf is the one that they have in New Mexico.
joe rogan
How big is the Mexican wolf, like 50 pounds?
remi warren
It'd be like, yeah, probably.
Something like that.
jamie vernon
Found it.
remi warren
Oh yeah, that is a wolf-wolf.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So this is, my friend...
jamie vernon
Damn it, it just did this thing again.
joe rogan
Oh.
jamie vernon
I found out what happened on Y. Something's wrong with the Mac computers and playing video.
Apparently I have to update my computer.
joe rogan
But just, that's okay.
Just look at that.
Look at that image.
That is a wolf-wolf.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that thing was outside of Bakersfield, bro.
remi warren
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Bakersfield.
You know the In-N-Out that's down on the tent?
Yeah.
Or the Five?
Is that what the Five?
What highways?
unidentified
Yeah, the Five.
joe rogan
Yeah, the Five.
That's a couple miles away from that.
unidentified
Huh.
remi warren
Wild.
joe rogan
What the fuck?
Out in a field!
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he saw it driving, and he's like, hold on.
Is that a fucking wolf?
remi warren
Yes.
Like, that's a pretty good video.
joe rogan
There's people that run some of these wolf...
I don't know what you want to call them.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
These wolf organizations.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
That their stated goal is to reintroduce wolves so that we will no longer need to hunt.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Because the wolves will take care of the wild animals.
They'll keep the population in check.
Totally not taking into account pets, kids, Little Red Riding Hood, all that shit.
The reason why we were scared of wolves in the first place, they think the wolves are just going to stick to deer.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, they're going to take out hikers, bird watchers, good luck.
remi warren
Whatever.
But also, too, I mean, when you think about wolves being across the United States, we had a giant Great Plains full of bison, millions of bison.
Like, they had a lot more food sources and a lot more availability to preferred food sources.
It was a different world.
We don't have that.
joe rogan
Yeah, and to bring them into this world now is just so goofy.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
I can't imagine how they got away with it in Colorado.
Like, it didn't...
All those ranchers are going to get fucked.
They're going to get fucked.
remi warren
I don't know how much it's speculation, but I'm pretty sure this is a fact that they took wolves that were depredating Like cattle and then release them in Colorado and guess what they're doing?
Killing cattle.
unidentified
Weird.
remi warren
Did you see they found one dead and was killed by a mountain lion?
joe rogan
Really?
remi warren
Yeah, so this was kind of an interesting thing.
Well, in my area in Montana, they did a huge study on wolves because everyone's like, the wolves are killing all the elk, which is sort of true because the elk mortalities went up.
But what they found is the mountain lions were actually killing more elk and the wolves were pushing off the mountain lions.
So, yeah, mountain lions.
And I've actually witnessed wolves pushing a mountain lion off a kill.
So the mountain lions are just – a mountain lion is actually probably one of the most efficient predators out there, more efficient than a wolf, I would say.
And so the mountain lions can kill, kill, kill pretty much whenever they want.
They're just so good at it.
So mountain lion would kill.
They'd start to eat.
The wolves would come in, run them off, claim the kill.
And then what's that make the mountain lion do?
Kill again.
So they're just using these mountain lions to do their killing for them.
unidentified
Wow.
remi warren
Right?
So they run off the mountain lion.
So my speculation is it's been proven that this collared one that they just released in Colorado is killed by a mountain lion.
It's like, that mountain lion just didn't want to take shit from these wolves.
Like, haven't seen you, you aren't taking my kill, killed the wolf.
joe rogan
Right, not only that, but they have a small number, because they only released a handful of them.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
So he might have been on his own.
remi warren
Yeah, who knows.
joe rogan
He got a little cocky with the mountain lion.
remi warren
Yeah, he's like, oh, I'll chase you off.
joe rogan
Yeah.
remi warren
Yeah, mountain lions are fairly timid.
When they run, they just, they go off, they get up in a tree, and...
Okay, and then they'll go kill again.
But, in this particular instance, the mountain lion just killed the wolf.
joe rogan
He had enough.
remi warren
Yeah, it was like one of the...
unidentified
Enough.
remi warren
Yeah, so one of these...
joe rogan
Great wolf found dead in Colorado.
Like, he killed by a mountain lion.
Look at these wolves that they let loose, man.
Fucking...
They're amazing.
Look, I'm glad they exist, but I feel like reintroducing them is opening up a can of worms that's akin to releasing cats in Australia.
I know they came from that place, but they haven't been in that place in a long fucking time.
A hundred years.
remi warren
And the world's so much different now.
You can't just go back to the way things were because it just isn't possible.
I mean, there's a lot of invasive plants that have taken over forage for undulance, and there's a lot of just so much that's changed road systems that were never carved there.
I mean, wolves can travel a lot faster on roads and cover more country and be more efficient at killing.
joe rogan
Yeah, and then there's going to be massive resistance to reducing their population, which there is already.
It's a mess.
You opened up a crazy can of worms because you don't understand wolves.
The thing is, it's like these people that want to make these decisions to reintroduce these things, they're essentially activists.
They have this idea in their mind, this utopian view of nature being played out, but they're not taking into account what these things actually are.
You just have this beautiful, idealized version Of what a wolf or a grizzly bear is.
jamie vernon
Correct.
joe rogan
You're releasing predators.
remi warren
Yeah.
Around people.
And actually, the other thing too is like, oh, Colorado.
The wolves that they released there were not the type of wolves that were in Colorado.
It was more of a prairie wolf, which is more similar to that Mexican wolf, which is a lot smaller wolf.
joe rogan
Yeah.
remi warren
Than the ones from way far north.
The ones that are north, as you go further north, species get larger.
unidentified
Yeah.
remi warren
And it's like, they're taking these that weren't even in that landscape ever and kind of filling a gap with them.
joe rogan
Well, that's what they did in Montana.
They took them from Canada.
unidentified
Yeah.
They took these Alberta wolves, these fucking monsters.
remi warren
Yeah, these giant beasts of a wolf, which they need more food.
They're more efficient at killing certain species.
Like our moose populations have just suffered.
You want to protect something, maybe protect the moose.
Because there's plenty of wolves in North America.
There's not that many Shiras moose, which is really hurting in areas where they've reintroduced wolves.
Because they just weren't used to that kind of predator that time of year.
joe rogan
Also, they don't have packs of moose.
remi warren
Right.
No.
Very solitary.
joe rogan
Very solitary.
remi warren
They drop a calf.
Now, the cow moose will protect that calf, but...
joe rogan
As best she can.
remi warren
As best she can.
Yeah, it's not...
joe rogan
Well, that's the reason why cow moose are so dangerous to be around.
It's because of wolves.
Because a deer is not going to really stomp people.
It's very rare that a deer goes after people.
A moose will come for you.
They will run at you.
remi warren
Especially if you've got a dog or something, because that triggers that.
People running that Iditarod have to kill a moose to protect themselves and the dogs, because they'll come charge the dogs.
This year, a guy...
I think the guy that won it had to kill a moose.
He got time penalized because he didn't gut the moose well enough, but still won, I guess.
joe rogan
He got time penalized because he didn't gut the moose well enough?
remi warren
Yeah, so if you have to protect yourself in a life or death situation, whether it's a bear, a moose, it doesn't matter.
You still have to follow all the laws, and that law is like you have to salvage things so you didn't gut it very well, I guess.
He was probably in a hurry, just gut it, did it real fast.
joe rogan
Overcame killing a moose and receiving a time penalty.
Imagine a fucking game you're in where there's a time penalty when you kill a moose.
remi warren
Yeah, exactly.
A moose that's trying to kill you and your dogs.
joe rogan
Wow.
remi warren
It's a pretty wild deal, actually.
joe rogan
That is insane.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
So...
So you have to gut it, but do you have to salvage the meat?
remi warren
No, I think that they can leave, so for this race, they can leave the meat there, but they have to like, I don't know whether they mark it with a GPS or something, so then somebody does come in and salvage the meat, yes.
joe rogan
Wow.
His dog, Falu, was injured before a CV shot and killed the moose with a handgun.
Race rules require any big game animal killed in defensive life or property to be gutted before the musher moves on.
He told officials he gutted the moose the best he could, however, he was ultimately giving a two-hour penalty because he only spent ten minutes gutting the moose.
Well...
I mean, as best as he can, like, what does that mean?
I don't know.
Either you got a moose or you don't got a moose.
remi warren
Right, so maybe he just opened it up.
joe rogan
I have no clue.
Right, he might have just, like, opened the guts.
remi warren
Tried to get at it and, like, okay, I'm getting...
But imagine not being prepared for that, like, being covered in blood when it's 50 below or whatever.
joe rogan
Also, like, what if your knife is not sharp and you go through the first hide?
It's going to dull the shit out of that.
Yeah, I don't know.
He's sawing at it with a bullshit dull knife trying to cut open this moose and then trying to cut all the organs out with that same bullshit dull knife.
You don't have a knife sharpener.
remi warren
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know the circumstances, but yeah, I can imagine it being a shit show.
joe rogan
Like I could see a moose being so, like you tell me, a moose is so big, you might have to sharpen your knife if you're dressing a moose.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
As you're cutting it, you might have to re-sharpen your knife, right?
remi warren
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah, I mean, especially if you're skinning it and all that.
Depends on how sharp type of knife you have and all that.
But he probably just had like a, my guess is like a small knife that, you know, you'd use to be cut.
joe rogan
Bullshit havalon.
remi warren
Yeah, cut things right around.
joe rogan
Those little fucking tiny razor blade knives.
remi warren
Yeah, I don't know.
joe rogan
Fuck.
That's crazy.
A two-hour time limit.
That seems rude.
remi warren
Yeah.
Still one, though.
That's pretty good.
joe rogan
It is pretty good.
But what a crazy game you're playing where there's time penalties built in for not gutting a movie.
I know you went to Greenland too.
remi warren
Yup.
joe rogan
I saw those videos.
Was that when you were still hunting with a mouth tab?
remi warren
It was, yeah, yeah.
I was hunting with a mouth tab.
joe rogan
Greenland looks amazing.
remi warren
Yeah, that place is wild.
I didn't realize like that.
You see that ice, you know, you see pictures of it.
It's all ice.
Well, around the ocean certain times of year.
It's pretty green because it's not winter yet.
But that ice sheet is massive.
It looks like this giant mountain.
I mean, it climbs some elevation.
You don't really realize it.
You kind of think of it as flat.
joe rogan
It's all just ice.
remi warren
Yeah, just massive ice sheet.
joe rogan
Wow.
remi warren
It's pretty wild.
joe rogan
Do people walk on those?
You have to be careful.
remi warren
You don't fall through, right?
unidentified
Yeah, they do.
remi warren
While we were there, we'd run into people that were doing expeditions and other things.
That was when we were in the Arctic.
Some people were doing a town-to-town expedition just on skis.
And they left.
And I'm like looking at it like, man, they didn't look like they had enough gear for their expedition.
And when we came back in, one of the people was getting careflighted out because they got frostbit and lost a finger.
Imagine like six, seven days into a 30-day trek and you're already one finger down.
joe rogan
Were they not geared up with, like, insulated outerwear?
unidentified
I don't know.
remi warren
Yeah, must have.
Just not paying attention.
Like, you get worked up, right?
You're working real hard and your body's hot.
You take your gloves off and you don't feel cold and then probably realize, like, okay, it just happens so fast.
Like, uncovered hands.
joe rogan
Now, when you were in the Arctic Circle, what is the temperature where you're at?
remi warren
Oh, it was like a warm spell when we got there.
It was pretty warm.
It was like 20 below.
But I talked to some guys that were there the week before, and it was like 60 below.
joe rogan
And what country is that officially?
remi warren
Canada.
joe rogan
It's Canada.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And so, what's a really rough day up there?
remi warren
I would think in that 60 below with wind chill factor kind of thing.
Heavy winds, like the breeze, you get a little bit of breeze and that temperature changes fast.
Real fast.
When it's calm, you go, oh, this isn't that bad.
And then when that wind starts to blow, it just drops.
It's just so cold.
joe rogan
And you're bow hunting.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which is so crazy.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
To be bow hunting in a place where nothing stops the wind.
remi warren
Yeah.
But there was...
When it's really windy, I think, like, we went out and we didn't have bad wind, so...
When it does come up, it's kind of one of those things that just stops everything, really, because you can't see where you're going.
You can't really navigate well, so you just kind of hang out and wait for the wind to die down.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
How close were you when you made your shot?
remi warren
Oh, really close, like 25, 30 yards.
joe rogan
Was it windy then?
remi warren
No.
It was slightly windy.
It wasn't bad.
joe rogan
Now, muskox have these crazy coats.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
How thick is that stuff?
There's a muskox.
Wow, look how awesome that thing is.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
That looks right out of Star Wars.
remi warren
It does, doesn't it?
joe rogan
Look at those horns.
remi warren
Pretty crazy.
joe rogan
That's nuts.
remi warren
Yeah.
Yeah.
But, yeah, Greenland.
That whole area, that whole Arctic region's pretty cool.
joe rogan
What did you do with the cape?
remi warren
I skinned it out and brought it back.
It's so warm.
joe rogan
Are you going to use it as a blanket or something?
remi warren
I don't know.
Maybe.
joe rogan
It seems like it would be the dopest blanket of all time.
remi warren
Yeah, it would.
joe rogan
You know?
remi warren
Yeah.
You just, like, line your, I don't know, put it on your bed as a mattress thing or camping.
joe rogan
Yeah, definitely.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
People come over your house, like, check out the bedspread, son.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
I got that on top of the world.
remi warren
Yeah.
unidentified
Pretty wild.
joe rogan
Literally on top of the world.
unidentified
Yeah.
Ooh.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
So Greenland, not that harsh.
Not as harsh.
remi warren
Well, it was different times a year because I think...
joe rogan
What time were you there?
remi warren
I was there in September.
So it was the end of...
It was the beginning of kind of that winter season.
joe rogan
It looked...
remi warren
Or it might have even been August.
It was probably August.
joe rogan
It looked tolerable.
remi warren
Yeah.
I mean, summertime, that's like anywhere as far north in Alaska, the Arctic.
Summer's amazing.
Sunlight, 24 hours a day.
It's pretty mild temperatures.
There's a lot of bugs, but a lot of bugs.
Mosquitoes and gnats and all that.
joe rogan
Yeah, they go hard, too.
remi warren
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Alaska mosquitoes, no, they don't have much time.
remi warren
They just go for it.
But, like, good summer, fishing, water's open, all that kind of stuff.
And then it just turns to ice.
And it's like winter time through March, April, May.
That whole time frame is still winter.
And then it gets back into summer.
joe rogan
And so when you were up there, when you're trying to locate caribou, Do you go to these corridors where caribou naturally sort of gravitate towards?
Do you know where they're going to be going?
remi warren
No.
I mean, it depends where you're at.
There we were able to travel by boat and we could look for them from the boat and go up and hike.
Like in places in Alaska, there's places where they kind of live in the mountains.
And when it's that, they kind of have just certain areas and they move around in the mountains, but they might not migrate like other herds do.
And then there's migration herds.
And they do migrate and they travel.
And then it's weird because they, not weird, but they tend to travel into the wind.
So whichever direction the wind's going, that kind of chooses the direction that the caribou start to move.
So they can smell threats in front of them?
Yeah, exactly, yeah.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
And so when you were there, you were there with that dude, Pedro, how do you say his last name?
Empuero?
unidentified
Empuero.
joe rogan
Empuero?
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
That dude's cool.
remi warren
Yeah, he's a great guy.
joe rogan
He's got a great YouTube channel.
remi warren
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It's a YouTube channel.
All his different adventures are amazing.
remi warren
Yep.
Yeah, he's a great bow hunter.
Awesome guy.
Fun to hang out with.
joe rogan
I watched one recently where I was like, what?
He went elk hunting in Mongolia.
remi warren
Yep.
joe rogan
I was like, what?
remi warren
Yeah, the Altai.
joe rogan
Elk in Mongolia?
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
And, like, I thought of Mongolia as being, like, these steps, like the flat plains.
remi warren
Oh, no, there's mountains and...
joe rogan
Yeah.
Crazy.
I mean, it was like, you might as well have been in Utah.
remi warren
Yeah.
Mongolia has elk.
Kazakhstan has elk.
joe rogan
Hunting out of a yurt.
It's really crazy.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Very, very cool videos, though.
remi warren
That is one place that I would like to go, Mongolia, just to see.
It looks awesome.
joe rogan
Pedro and Poero Hunting Adventures is the YouTube channel, and, I mean, he does an amazing job of just, like, really good editing.
It makes it interesting.
They're, like, documentary-style videos of all these different places he goes.
That guy goes all over the world.
remi warren
Yeah, he does.
Some cool places.
joe rogan
Very cool places.
It's just...
It's so interesting to see someone...
And also, when he's there, they're like, why do you have a bow?
Yeah.
The elk's right there.
He's a rifle.
What the fuck are you doing?
remi warren
Yeah, a lot of places in Asia don't understand bow hunting.
It's more just like...
They don't see it probably very often.
joe rogan
Well, they want meat.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
remi warren
It's like, let's just...
joe rogan
The best way to get me is a rifle.
What are you, retarded?
That thing's 200 yards away.
Why sneak up?
remi warren
Just get prone.
Let's fucking get this over with.
But to be honest, a lot of the guns that they have over there are not very accurate.
joe rogan
Are you allowed to bring your own rifle?
remi warren
Yeah, you are.
In a lot of places.
It's a major pain, though.
joe rogan
Oh, is it really?
remi warren
Yeah, a lot of...
joe rogan
Paperwork?
remi warren
Yeah, a lot of paperwork, a lot of check-ins, a lot of military stops, and a lot of...
Yeah, it's not a fun experience.
joe rogan
So for the most part, when you go to a hunt like that, you would let them provide the rifle?
remi warren
Some people would, yeah.
I don't know if I would.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Could you bring your own sights?
Could you bring over a Vortex sight?
remi warren
AKs.
joe rogan
Are they just hunting with AKs over there?
Really?
Clash the cops.
remi warren
Just like leftover stuff.
joe rogan
Some shit they left over from the Taliban.
remi warren
Exactly.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
remi warren
That's exactly what it is.
joe rogan
How many times have you hunted in Asia?
remi warren
I've only been over there once.
joe rogan
What was it for?
remi warren
Sheep.
joe rogan
Which kind of sheep?
remi warren
Marco Polo sheep.
joe rogan
Oh, those are cool.
remi warren
Yeah.
I was in Kyrgyzstan.
joe rogan
Whoa.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
What was that like?
remi warren
It was pretty wild, man.
joe rogan
How long does it take to get there?
remi warren
Oh, I don't know.
It's really a day of flying and then a lot of driving.
Like a lot of driving.
I don't know, maybe 14 hours in a...
15 to 20 hours in a car.
I don't know.
Something like that.
joe rogan
And so how does one set up a hunt like that?
You want to go hunt for Marco Polo sheep.
How would you even start?
remi warren
Yeah, it was like one of the things like knowing somebody that has a connection with somebody that has like they have like gamekeepers of the area and then you get a permit from them and then they go with you that like the game wardens come with you.
It's a whole deal and like these people have the area and it's their job to manage that area.
And so that's kind of how that works.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
And do you have to grease everybody up?
Like, do you have to pay everybody?
remi warren
Well, I mean, you pay for the tags and the permits and everything, yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
And then you don't have to pay all those extra people?
remi warren
No, that's all part of the deal.
joe rogan
Oh, interesting.
And so when you're doing this, are you horseback through the mountains?
remi warren
Yep.
Yeah, horseback.
Pretty high elevation.
I don't even know what the valley floors would be.
Maybe 12,000 feet, something like that.
joe rogan
Wow, that's the valley floor?
remi warren
Yeah, 10,000, 12,000 feet, something like that.
Pretty high up.
Where we were at was on the China border, so it was pretty big mountains.
And, yeah, horses, they use these real small horses there.
Incredible horses.
Like, very good horses.
But you're going on trails that are super sketchy.
Like, I wouldn't want to walk on them if you're taking a horse on them.
A lot of them we did in the dark.
It was pretty gnarly, yeah.
unidentified
Whoa!
remi warren
It was like going back through some of that in the daylight.
It was a little uncomfortable knowing what we were doing.
joe rogan
Knowing what you went through at night.
Yeah.
And these guys do this all the time.
remi warren
There's one spot where they took like a...
They must have brought...
You know like just a barbed wire fence that has like a metal post?
So they took a metal post and they pounded it in into this...
There's like a cliff and then the trail.
Well, the trail had just wiped out.
And so there's like a metal post that they'd somehow pounded in and then just put some stuff on top of it.
And then the horse is backing up like up against the wall and then scooting around and then does a little side hop over it and then goes.
And we did that in the dark with no lights because we couldn't...
I don't know.
It was a shit show.
But...
Coming back, looking, it's probably, I don't know, 1,500 feet straight down.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
remi warren
The thing where the horse is just edging up against the wall.
It's pretty wild.
joe rogan
You did this in the dark?
remi warren
Yeah, it was not.
joe rogan
You had no idea?
remi warren
No idea.
Well, I knew.
You could tell it's steeper than shit because it's just dark and you can kind of see, but you don't really get the grandeur of what's going on in the nighttime.
Kind of just hold on for dear life.
joe rogan
Why the fuck are we doing it?
remi warren
No saddles, really.
joe rogan
No saddles.
remi warren
Well, you use like these blanket saddles.
There's like a saddle horn and mostly just a blanket and then stirrups with it.
So it's kind of a different setup.
Not like a Western saddle though.
Fairly comfortable horses though.
But yeah, I didn't like that.
It was wild.
joe rogan
Why do they do it at night?
remi warren
It was just a weird experience.
We left at night.
I don't know what happened, but we got into camp.
We went to this...
You go through all these checkpoints.
We got into camp.
We're going we're planning on going out the next morning, but then like some people came into camp and just started Like our guys and those guys started fighting and then oh no, and then it was yeah It was a wild deal and so they're like we got to get out of here kind of deal They started fist fighting?
Yeah, yeah.
And they had a lot of guys.
joe rogan
So a gang fight broke out on your hunting trip.
remi warren
Yeah, but it seemed weird.
It was like, I don't know what was going on.
So that goes down.
And we're just standing back like, what the hell is going on?
joe rogan
How does the fight end?
remi warren
So the leader of their crew and our crew go into the house.
And then they, like, have a sit-down.
And then we, so then we're, like, one of our guys, like, let's get out of here.
So we, like, throw all our shit on the horses, like, packs on there and everything.
So that's why we didn't have any lights, because we just, like, threw everything on the horses.
And then it's, like, let's just ride, okay?
So we're getting set up.
And then it was, like, before we left, the weirdest thing, I wish I had.
I tried to, like, download some translation stuff, so I just had no communication with them.
But the weirdest part was like, okay, everybody was good.
And so we're loading up now.
Everything's cool.
We're all good.
And then they want to take a group picture.
What the hell is this group?
Is this like some proof of life picture?
You know, like what is going on here?
So we take a picture and everything seemed pretty normal.
And then we start writing off and the guy that we're with has an AK. And then they start fighting for the gun.
And at this point, I'm like, we gotta get out of here.
And so we just start riding.
joe rogan
They're fighting for the gun.
remi warren
Yeah, they're like wrestling for the gun.
And then he gets on his horse and we all just ride off into the sunset.
joe rogan
What were you thinking?
remi warren
I was thinking we were so fucked.
joe rogan
You flew all the way over there.
remi warren
I did not.
joe rogan
You're in the mountains.
These guys are fighting over a gun.
remi warren
Yeah, and their gun safety is abysmal.
Like, it was not...
I've watched YouTube videos.
Yeah, it's...
Dude, this guy...
We get this.
So we're driving, and it's a long road trip, and we're driving, and we pull into this guy's hometown, and he gets a shotgun.
It's this old shotgun that's, like, pretty much duct taped together.
And we're driving, I guess he's like chukar across the road.
They look like chukar to me.
I'm sure that's what they were.
And so he gets out and he's trying to shoot these birds.
He's like, all right, you know, a little bit of camp meat.
So he's trying to shoot these birds and doesn't get any birds.
But he's now thinking that the chukar, you know, in case we see one, he's ready.
So he's got this.
It's a double barrel shotgun that's loaded and he puts it in the car and he puts it with the barrel up and it's facing toward my head.
And I'm like trying to lean out the side.
I'm not okay with this.
So I'm like, hey, stop him.
And I'm like, this is not okay.
You can't have this gun...
Facing me.
And so instead of like unloading the gun or doing whatever, he just leans over and puts it on his shoulder like this.
That's his gun safety.
And I'm like, no, I get out of the car.
I'm like, no, we're going to unload it.
And we aren't going to go like this.
I take it out.
I unload it.
I put the barrel down, like open it up.
I'm like, here you go.
Like, I don't care what you do, but I'm not having a loaded gun in the vehicle or a loaded gun point for me.
The thought of it like his shoulder is just going to protect this shotgun from blowing my head off.
joe rogan
Well, not only that.
What if his shoulder gets blown off and he dies?
You have to figure out how to get back.
remi warren
Yeah.
No, I mean, it's just...
joe rogan
Everything's bad.
Your ears are blown out because you can't hear anything now.
remi warren
It was just not like...
unidentified
It was just bad.
Fuck, dude.
remi warren
It was wild.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Did you know what the fight was over?
Why they had a gang fight?
remi warren
Yeah, well, from one of the guys, it sounded like...
I don't even know if tribal is the right word, but these guys wanted that territory.
So they were gunning for that territory.
joe rogan
For hunting?
remi warren
Yeah, I guess, or whatever.
They wanted to be the people that take the people.
joe rogan
Oh boy.
remi warren
So it was like...
joe rogan
Oh boy.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's probably a lot of money in that.
remi warren
Yeah, I would imagine.
Yeah.
Because the guy that...
I was like, what's going on?
He's like, no, no.
I'm the big...
He spoke a little...
It is hard to understand, but in the gist of it was like, I'm the big boss and they're gunning for me.
They want what I have, in a way.
joe rogan
The guiding business.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
So you eventually get free.
remi warren
Yeah.
Well, yeah, we just rode up and then we did our thing and then went hunting and came back and everything, you know.
joe rogan
And when you came back, everything had been okay?
remi warren
No, there was nobody there, but like the big boss was with us now, so I don't know what happened after that.
joe rogan
Was that the sketchiest hunt you ever went on?
remi warren
Oh yeah, absolutely.
joe rogan
That sounds so dangerous.
Because if they start shooting those guys, they're going to shoot you too.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's just going to leave you.
remi warren
Yeah.
And I don't know.
I think like in that, it made sense.
It didn't make sense.
But what they were, I felt like, I didn't necessarily think that we were in danger, but I thought it was like a weird situation.
Because you could tell like they wanted something, but I don't necessarily know if they wanted something from us.
They wanted something from the other people.
joe rogan
Whoa.
remi warren
You know?
joe rogan
Like a ton of the action or something?
remi warren
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
Well, I guess there's probably not a lot of work up there.
remi warren
No.
joe rogan
You know?
And when you're guiding hunters, especially the kind of hunters that are willing to do that, have some money.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because it's a big deal to get out there.
Like Marco Polo sheep hunting is very hard to...
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's hard to do.
I used to watch...
What's that guy's name?
Tom Miranda.
Yeah, I used to watch his...
That guy's another one.
He was always like in the middle of one fucking weird mountain range, camped up in this yurt with like 10 other people and they're eating bread.
remi warren
You're out there.
There's no backup plan there.
joe rogan
And everything he was doing was bow hunting, too.
And his show was weird, too, because it was all about acquiring all, what is it, the big whatever?
remi warren
Oh, like, yeah.
joe rogan
When you're trying to, the bow hunting thing.
Some slam or something.
Yeah, the grand slams where you get, like, every single mammal thing.
On Earth with a bow.
Like they do the Africa, like there's the dangerous ones.
remi warren
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
There's the regular Grand Slam, like all the African continent big animals.
remi warren
Yeah, all the stuff.
joe rogan
It's a weird thing.
It's almost like you're collecting baseball cards now.
remi warren
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
remi warren
Yeah, just different places.
I like going different places just for that experience of the hunting culture.
And it's kind of interesting because you'll go somewhere and maybe even there, like maybe didn't speak their language or whatever.
But when we were on the mountain, it's like he's a hunter, I'm a hunter.
And we had this certain kind of connection that you just don't get.
It's pretty interesting where you go and it's like these are hunting cultures and they've done this for thousands of years just like we have and we do things similar.
We don't even necessarily need to communicate that well because we both kind of are doing the same thing in the same way.
And it's like, okay, there's this...
It's really cool to see.
And then that whole, like, bring the meat back and the campfire cooking and the whole, like, experience, it's not foreign.
Whereas, like, you're in this crazy place with all these other problems, but the hunting portion of it is very familiar, you know?
And, like, I really like that.
It's like, even going to somewhere else, you go, okay, let's go to a place where...
And it's like, okay, yeah, I can.
Do I need to go hunt a muskox to feed myself?
Well, the muskox meat was really good, and I'm glad I did it.
I don't have to go to the Arctic to feed myself, right?
But it was really cool to experience it with people that have lived there their whole life.
And like...
Have a certain view of it that is actually maybe even different, but that's how they grew up doing it.
And to see that is just like a really, I don't know, I like that portion of it.
So that's why I like to go different places and just see how they do things in different places.
And then there's that adventure element of going somewhere kind of untouched where a lot of people don't go.
There's something kind of exciting about that.
joe rogan
So do you try to plan like your year with like a certain amount of these wild adventure places that you visit?
remi warren
Yeah, I think so.
Or if the opportunity comes up, it's more of just, oh yeah, I'll take advantage of an opportunity if it's given, like, oh, I know this person here, we can do this, and okay, cool, I'll try that.
Or it doesn't matter whether it's New Zealand or Australia or North America.
joe rogan
Well, you were doing a lot of trips to New Zealand, right?
remi warren
Yeah, that's where I came from to get here.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
How often are you there every year?
remi warren
I made a pretty short trip out of it this year, but just went over, hunted some fallow deer, and saw some friends, and it was a good time.
joe rogan
What's a short trip for you?
remi warren
That was only like a week.
joe rogan
Oh, that is a short trip.
remi warren
Yeah.
I mean, because I used to go over there for three months.
unidentified
Really?
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
remi warren
Yeah, so it's a lot shorter trip.
joe rogan
That place seems amazing.
And what a crazy thing that they did, where they just reintroduced, not reintroduced, but introduced all these European animals to the landscape.
remi warren
Yeah, then they've flourished.
They do really well.
There's no predators, so there's hunting, and then there's essentially government culling, trapping, poisoning.
Wild, what they have to do to maintain the populations.
joe rogan
Just to keep it at a reasonable, manageable number?
remi warren
Yeah, and that's what happens when there's no predators on the landscape.
These populations explode.
joe rogan
Well, Remy, you live a very interesting life, my friend.
remi warren
Well, thanks.
unidentified
I appreciate it.
joe rogan
You really do.
I always enjoy talking to you.
And I enjoy your podcast, too.
Live Wild.
It's a great podcast.
remi warren
Yeah, thank you.
joe rogan
If you're into hunting-related podcasts, it's a very good one.
Great tips.
remi warren
Yeah, appreciate it.
joe rogan
Really fun.
And I'm glad you did it.
remi warren
Yeah, thank you.
joe rogan
And I really hope this works.
I hope that it weighs too well.
If anything can help, I bet that will.
I really hope it will.
remi warren
I have a lot of faith in it.
It's funny because they said it would be swollen and it actually feels better than when I went in.
joe rogan
Really?
remi warren
Already.
I don't know if it's just like a...
joe rogan
Probably has some sort of...
remi warren
They shot me up with some...
Hexosomes?
I did an IV bag too, which probably made me feel pretty good after traveling for so long.
joe rogan
They give you an IV bag of vitamins as well.
remi warren
Yeah, all of that.
unidentified
That's great.
remi warren
That was good.
joe rogan
Alright, brother.
Tell everybody your Instagram.
Is it just Remy Warren?
remi warren
Yeah, Remy Warren on YouTube, Instagram, any kind of social media, R-E-M-I. Have you ever talked about bringing Apex Predator back?
If somebody wants to, I'm down.
joe rogan
It was a great show.
remi warren
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
I enjoyed it.
unidentified
It was a great show.
joe rogan
It was fun.
It was a fun show.
remi warren
Yeah.
joe rogan
Alright, dude.
Well, thank you very much.
Appreciate you, brother.
Thanks for coming here.
unidentified
Appreciate it.
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