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Joe Rogan Experience #2120 - That Mexican OT
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Telling the story of the crew with the seven wolves?
joe rogan
Yeah, well, seven coyotes, yeah.
I think it was nine.
I think it was nine coyotes.
that mexican ot
Damn.
joe rogan
That's a crazy story.
that mexican ot
I feel like I'm looking at you on my phone right now.
unidentified
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Are we rolling?
That's hilarious.
Yeah, it's weird when you meet people when you see them.
Me too with you, you know?
I've only seen you on YouTube.
I've seen you on my phone.
that mexican ot
Right?
It's cool, man.
It's a pleasure, bro.
joe rogan
Pleasure to meet you too, man.
that mexican ot
Bro, you're like, you're a bad motherfucker, bro.
First of all, like to me, my dad was like my god, you know what I'm saying?
So to see him glorify you and stroke your ego, bro, it's just, it's cool.
joe rogan
Oh, that's cool.
I'd like to meet your dad.
that mexican ot
Yeah, you just met him.
joe rogan
Oh, that was your dad?
that mexican ot
He had a swole mask in there.
joe rogan
Oh, no shit.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, your dad's cool as fuck.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's awesome, man.
That's awesome.
Beautiful.
Your dad looks good, man.
that mexican ot
Yeah, my whole life he's been like that.
unidentified
He looks good.
that mexican ot
I remember I'd get in trouble and he would punish me with workouts.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
that mexican ot
I've been fit my whole life.
I started getting fat when I touched that rapper money.
Yeah, really.
joe rogan
It's hard, right?
that mexican ot
Yeah, I'd go out to eat, because I'm already indecisive, so I'd go out to eat and order five things and just eat small off each plate.
joe rogan
Well, it's a problem when you first start getting money, right?
that mexican ot
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You just get indulgent.
that mexican ot
Yeah, I'm chilling now, though, you know what I'm saying?
But definitely at first, it was like...
joe rogan
When I was 25, I got a development deal.
And I was spending so much money, my manager called me up.
He thought I had a gambling problem.
that mexican ot
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
He was like, do you have a gambling problem?
I'm like, no, I'm eating steak and lobster every night.
that mexican ot
I was just finna say, bro, like it goes to food, right?
I feel like...
Because I ain't bought jewelry or nothing like that.
joe rogan
Nothing?
Oh, you seen the grill?
that mexican ot
I mean, yeah, but I had a grill before I was anybody.
And then my second grill, Paul Wall gave to me.
joe rogan
Oh, that's cool.
Paul Wall's the man.
that mexican ot
Yeah, shout out to Paul Wall again.
It was just his birthday a few days ago, too.
unidentified
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
That dude, he looks like a real estate agent.
that mexican ot
With the come-over?
unidentified
Yeah, but he's got this crazy grill.
that mexican ot
Yeah, nah, he's cool as shit, though.
joe rogan
He's cool as shit.
that mexican ot
He's a nice person.
I was smoking with him, and I handed him a joint, and he was like, thank you.
I was like, thank you for your next rotation, you know?
But he's just a sweet dude, you know?
joe rogan
That's nice.
that mexican ot
Yeah, he's cool.
joe rogan
I've seen him in interviews.
I love to talk to that dude.
I've seen him in interviews.
He always seems cool as fuck.
Just real happy.
that mexican ot
If you're down, I'd love to connect y'all.
joe rogan
Yeah, let's do it.
that mexican ot
Yeah, for sure.
Let's do it.
joe rogan
I found out about you from Tony Hinchcliffe.
My friend Tony Hinchcliffe.
He's like, yo, you gotta listen to this.
And he puts it on.
He's a comedian.
And he put it on in the green room of the mothership.
He put Cowboy Killer.
I was like, oh shit.
This is good, man.
Now it's in our Spotify rotation.
that mexican ot
Thank you so much.
Cowboy Killer was a fun one to write.
I remember I was in West Columbia and my buddy Nate was like, he was like, just do something different.
He was like, make a country song.
And I just played like a country rap beat and from there it just went crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, dude, we find ourselves walking around the green room sometimes going, lately I've been fucking.
that mexican ot
I just did that one at the rodeo.
They went stupid.
joe rogan
Oh, I bet.
that mexican ot
Yeah, that's one of the ones they go crazy for when I perform.
I feel like maybe just because it's easier to sing along to, too.
A lot of my stuff, they don't even understand what I'm saying.
They just sound good.
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
Yeah, no, that one's a good one to sing along to.
It's also just fun.
that mexican ot
Yeah, definitely.
joe rogan
It's a fun song.
You're having a good fucking time.
that mexican ot
Definitely, man.
And I'm glad you said that because that's what I try to give out.
This next project I'm working on, I want to call it recess.
And I want to call it recess because at this point, bro, I don't have walls.
I don't have boundaries.
You know what I'm saying?
I don't have an ego that's holding me down to one sound or anything like that.
This is recess to me.
So therefore, I can go to the monkey bars and dominate.
Then I can go to the jungle gym.
And then I can go to the swings and have fun everywhere.
So it sounds like I'm having fun.
joe rogan
That's great.
unidentified
Yeah.
that mexican ot
It's a blessing, bro.
Man, I would have never thought I'd be here.
I thank God every day, bro, because I used to be on acid laid out in the middle of the street, and I wasn't doing acid the way y'all do acid.
I feel like some people do drugs and they do it to better, to learn.
I was strictly abusing this shit.
You know what I'm saying?
I just wanted to be fucking dick in the dirt high.
It's just beautiful, bro.
I tell people all the time, God's going to have an amazing talk with y'all.
Because, like...
Y'all don't even understand.
Y'all saved somebody's life and you don't even know it because it's just pure enjoyment to you.
But, bro, God watches that, man.
And I promise all my fans, God gonna have a good talk with them because they spoil me.
You know what I'm saying?
They make me feel good, bro.
I love my fans, dog.
They pay attention to the smallest shit ever.
I was in California.
I did a show in L.A. And this girl brought a shirt and she had a mural of my mama's headstone on it.
It said, you know, when she passed, her birthday, her name, my name, my little brother's name.
And I was like, damn, like, shit's just cool, bro.
You know, because my mother gave me my first rap name, V-Man.
And I've been rapping since I was four years old.
You know what I'm saying?
So, like...
It's just cool.
Like, my mama was a gangster.
I was talking to Fatboy a few days ago in Bay City and Fatboy, you know, he's like, oh my God, Virgil, I love you.
So, me and Sophie, we was best friends.
And he was like, yo, mama taught me how to cook hard, you know?
Like, just going on and on.
Like, mama was walking around Bay City like, where my money at?
You know, like, we're just savage.
We're just short.
Like, she was a little pocket rocket.
Short with so much power, you know?
And she was beautiful, man.
Everybody loved her.
I feel like it was hard with the family with her, you know what I'm saying?
Like, I grew up watching my mother and her mother fish fight in the living room, you know?
unidentified
Oh, wow.
that mexican ot
Yeah, but that's why sometimes when people be like, oh yeah, this for Sophie, or Sophie this, or Sophie that, and I'm like, man, none of you motherfuckers, like, all y'all traded her.
All y'all turn y'alls back on her.
There were some people that were supposed to fight for me in court when my mother died because they knew, but they backed out.
joe rogan
Fight for you in court?
Like how?
that mexican ot
So when my mother passed away, my mama was already planning on giving me to my nanny, which is my dad's mother.
And the reason why she was going to give me to her is because he was getting out of prison.
And my mama was, like, my mama was gangster, like, cooking crack and selling this shit.
I'm, like, people fucked up in our house, you know what I'm saying?
So, like, she knew she was already fucking up and probably finna go to jail.
And I was just bad.
I was a badass little kid.
I was in first grade not coming home until 10 o'clock at night already.
I remember her crying and she'd just be like, I can't take care of her, Miss Irma.
I don't know what to do with her, this and that.
And some of my people knew that was on my mother's side.
They knew about this.
And they knew that she wanted to give me the armor.
They knew all this.
And they knew that Sophie didn't want me to be with my mama's side because it really wasn't too much guidance.
She knew that I would almost be fucked over there.
Not saying that they don't love me because they definitely love me.
They just weren't heavy hands on the rules and shit.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
How old were you at the time?
that mexican ot
When my mama passed, I was eight.
But I was already grown, you know what I'm saying?
I was already grown.
So when I hear those people, oh yeah, it's over this and that, I'm like, man, fuck you.
You know what I'm saying?
Because y'all left my mama out there dry, for real.
Everybody in my family left my mama dry like that.
My mama, she was close with Sabrina, my dear Sabrina.
I know that for sure, but that's because we all live together.
You know what I'm saying?
I know my tia Sabrina and my cousin Homer too.
My cousin Homer was close with my mama.
I never seen my mother respect any other woman except for my nanny and maybe my stepmama.
My mama used to take me to my stepmama.
we would meet halfway and my stepmama would take me to go see my dad in prison and I used to be rapping through him through a glass on the phone.
unidentified
Really?
that mexican ot
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
that mexican ot
I used to be rapping the radio and he'd be like, fuck that radio.
I want to hear what you got to say.
unidentified
Wow.
that mexican ot
I'd be doing my push-ups, my sit-ups.
Dad, look at me.
Check me out.
I hit jumping jacks, all this and that.
I knuckle him and we would twist it.
He would say, lock it up.
He'd get him dapping.
He'd say, lock it up.
You know?
And I was just telling Fee every time I go visit him, he would always ask for spriting some Kit Kats.
I used to go to get the coins and take them to the guards.
I'd be like, man, that's all I got, but let me take my daddy home, you know?
And he did a long time.
He did about six years in there.
He learned a lot.
He tell me all the time that prison taught him how to be a political person, you know, and a politician.
And how so?
Because you have to follow other rules in there now.
Let's say me and you got problems.
I got to go to whoever your leader is or somebody, what's going on in your situation, and be like, I can't just go over there because I'm going to start a race war or some shit.
Everything has a reaction.
You just got to have permission from your hires.
I don't know too much about it because I ain't never been to prison and things like that.
I know a little bit from what just being around That's a crazy statement when you're eight-year-old, you were grown.
Yeah, I was already grown.
Like, I looked at a picture.
I seen a picture of me holding this basketball when I was a kid.
And I remember holding this basketball.
It grew in the dark.
And I remember, like, playing with it.
I remember being with it, holding it, and, like, just seeing it around the house.
And I look at a picture of myself holding it, and I was like, damn!
Like, I look like I was a child, not even a kid, like a baby still.
I was already looking at my teachers like, bitch, I don't know what fuck it is, but I will fuck you.
You know what I'm saying?
For real.
I was already watching Hustle& Flow, Scarface.
Because my parents were still kids.
You know what I'm saying?
So I just got to be a kid with them.
joe rogan
How old was your mom when you were born?
that mexican ot
I think she was like 18. Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what happens.
that mexican ot
I remember watching Scarface all the time with my mama and every single time before she died, she'd be like, Tony, turn around, Tony!
Like, this is gonna change something.
But yeah, I remember that was a movie that made her cry.
joe rogan
Really?
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow, she was rooting for Scarface.
that mexican ot
Yeah, she cried when Tony died.
She was fucked up about that shit.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
She cried when Tony died.
that mexican ot
I remember it was me, SB, Quincy, and I feel like Romeo was definitely there because he was living with us.
And Keelan might have been alive.
Yeah, he was because Joseph was definitely alive.
These are all my cousins.
Like, I never needed friends because I always had siblings.
And I was the oldest of all of them.
So, like, man, I'm making a pallet.
I got all of us sleeping in the living room together.
And, you know, like I said, my parents were still kids, so they out doing kids stuff at the club, party, and all this and that.
So while they're doing that, I'm playing Scarface and all this other shit, you know?
But I remember we were sleeping in bed one time and my mother comes in and she wakes SP up.
Espy, we whooped those bitches ass.
All this and that.
We got them.
We got them.
My mama just got into a bar fight with somebody and came home talking about, yeah, we whooped them bitches ass.
I remember smelling the cold night on her.
Does that make sense?
Cold night.
It's cold at night and then you're inside and then somebody come in and it's like you can feel the cold on them and smell it and shit.
I don't know how to explain it.
I just felt the cold come off of her body and And I smelled her, and I always knew she was around because I heard high heels.
Like, when she would pick me up from daycare, I always knew it was my mama because she's the only one coming in high heels, you know?
And, yeah, my mama, she was just crazy.
Her name was Sophia Goska.
Sophia Ann Goska.
Wow.
What a crazy way to grow up.
Yeah.
I mean, a little bit.
I mean, it's definitely worse, you know what I'm saying?
It's not even crazy.
It's just we was just...
Just living.
I remember I wasn't even sitting in car seats.
My mother would be driving, holding my little baby brother, and I'd be standing in the passenger seat with my arm on the seat like this, you know?
joe rogan
Wow.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
Just living, like, you know?
joe rogan
Just wild.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a good way to develop a rapper.
that mexican ot
Correct.
My mama, so boys would come around and they'd be like, you know what I'm saying?
My mama would always tell them, Sophie, I'm going to be, my son going to be a rapper.
You know, they'd be, Sophie, alright Sophie, you know what I'm saying?
No, my son going to be a rapper.
I was failing every class in the first grade and my tia Rosario told me this story.
My tia Rosario was She's not my tia, but we're very close, so they're family.
You know what I'm saying?
That type of shit.
She was actually in the car with my mother when she passed, and they were tight, man.
She told me that I was failing every class in the first grade, and all her and her friends were like, Sophie, he failing in the first grade?
What the fuck going on?
He's spelling stop, you know?
And she was like, fuck that school.
My son gonna be a rapper.
My dad would wake me up before school at like 4 or 5 o'clock in the morning when I was in the 7th grade.
And he'd wake me up.
He'd be like, son, you ready to whoop ass?
I'd be like, man, I gotta get ready for school.
And he's like, fuck school.
You ready to get down there and whoop ass?
And he wasn't saying fuck school because like, you know what I'm saying?
Because he always pressed like being good and getting knowledge, you know what I'm saying?
But like, he knew I didn't give a fuck.
He knew I was just saying that, so he's like, in his mind, he's like, motherfucker, you gonna get up and come down here and rap, you know?
Because he would party every night, and he had the shit that people wanted, and women wanted to be with him, and men wanted to be him.
So every night after they'd get done partying, Monday through Sunday, he would always bring the party back home, and he would have me, a house full of women, women sitting on the fucking stairs lined up, one sitting on the refrigerator.
I had a master of, and he was mixed with Pres Canaria.
I think I said that right.
His name was Bronson, like Charles Bronson.
He was Brendo, and his eyes were orange lit up.
joe rogan
Orange.
that mexican ot
Just a beast.
And I could see the house.
And we were living in a duplex, so then it looked like it's even more crowded, you know?
And my dad would play like a ghetto boy's beat, which is like five minutes fucking long, if you don't know.
So I'm about two, three minutes in, and he's like, what the fuck you slowing down for?
The beat ain't over?
And I had to jump back on and not eat these grown-ass men alive.
Alive.
joe rogan
And how were you writing your raps back then?
Were you writing them in your head or were you writing them back?
that mexican ot
Nah, everything was on a pad.
I had everything in no books.
I was supposed to be taking notes in school and I'm writing.
I didn't do anything else except for write, draw, or read.
joe rogan
So from the beginning, that's what you wanted.
that mexican ot
It's not what I wanted.
It's what my mama wanted.
I don't even think I still know what I want to this day.
joe rogan
Really?
that mexican ot
I think I just want to be okay.
I don't even give a fuck about this money, the fame.
I don't give a fuck about it.
I love the music because I'm blessed and I'm grateful for it.
I cherish it because it's my living and I'm comfortable off of it.
This is what my mama wanted.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
So to this day, you're not sure that that's what you wanted?
that mexican ot
I don't think it is.
I think what I want is just love.
I missed out on a lot of love.
I want a family.
I just want to be okay.
You know what I'm saying?
I just want a simple life.
joe rogan
I think that happens for a lot of people when they get pushed into something at a really young age.
You hear that with a lot of athletes, a lot of young fighters, a lot of young football players.
They're just like, I never knew what I wanted to do.
They told me what I wanted to do.
And then here I am successful.
I guess this is alright, but am I even me?
I'm a product.
that mexican ot
Correct.
I feel like I'm definitely me.
But this was definitely for my mama.
joe rogan
It worked out.
that mexican ot
Yeah, definitely.
joe rogan
I'm thinking how happy she would be right now.
that mexican ot
Man, bro.
And that's one thing I've always...
I just want to see her jam my music.
Because I remember being in the backseat watching her jam Ashanti and Ja Rule.
And I remember her body language.
I remember seeing her move.
I remember her beautiful smile when she would sing.
And I'm like, damn.
I wish I could see her sing my music.
You know?
unidentified
Wow.
that mexican ot
I know she would.
And I ain't no bullshit.
Like, everything I'm talking about is solid.
So, like, I know she would feel it even more.
Like, damn, my son gangster.
You know?
joe rogan
That's awesome.
that mexican ot
Yeah, I know she would love it, bro.
joe rogan
Well, that's a beautiful thing, though.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's kind of amazing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, you think about how many people you touch and inspire, and how many people love your music, how many people you excite.
that mexican ot
Correct.
joe rogan
You know, you excite people.
Those songs come on, people get excited.
that mexican ot
Correct.
joe rogan
She would be very happy with that.
that mexican ot
Yeah, no, it's a blessing, man.
And my father, he tells me all the time, like, man, this shit started in the kitchen.
Right before I walked onto the rodeo stage, he said, son, you're still in the kitchen.
joe rogan
Wow.
that mexican ot
And I was like, I know.
joe rogan
That's cool.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're in the kitchen, but now there's millions of people in it.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
Isn't that wild?
that mexican ot
Yeah, no, it's beautiful, man.
How old are you?
I just turned 25, February 6th.
joe rogan
Damn, you're just a baby.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just a young man.
that mexican ot
I'm trying.
We getting...
joe rogan
That's amazing.
that mexican ot
Yep, yep, yep.
joe rogan
When did things really start popping for you?
that mexican ot
I would definitely...
I don't know, because I feel like every time I drop something, I always had good motion.
Like, I dropped a music video called Plan C in like 2018, 2019, which is a lot, but it's not a lot.
And it hit like 30k and got stuck.
Now it's at like 40k.
It might be at more now.
I ain't checked in a while, but it was like at 40k and got stuck, which is, like I said, a lot, but not a lot.
But I'm from the country.
And like, I'm just a kid in the country, slash the hood.
There wasn't no promo, no nothing.
Like, I just made a video and I'm doing music because my uncle's got a studio in the house.
So of course I'm going to be doing music.
I'm fucked up on drugs.
I don't want no job.
I don't want to be around nobody.
I'm finna do this.
And then one day, my cousin, he had a homeboy and he heard the song.
He was like, bro, I want to jump on it.
Let me jump on it.
So I was like, fuck it, you know, jump on it.
And then he was like, man, I got a homeboy.
I got a buddy and he be shooting videos.
I was like, shit.
Fuck it.
What else is there to do?
You know what I'm saying?
And we shot the video.
We're all doing this just for the fun of it.
Like, there's nothing else to do.
And just dropped it, and it went good.
Then I dropped another song called La Muerte, maybe about two years after that.
And when I dropped La Muerte, that's when I was like, alright.
I think it was like 2021, maybe 2020. That's when I was like, yeah, like...
I could do something with this.
Because I'm not rapping no more.
I'm actually making songs.
There's a difference between rapping and making music.
And I think when I wrote La Muerte, that's when I was like, yeah, I think I could do it.
unidentified
Wow.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
La Muerte.
That's right there.
That's my grandma's house and my grandpa's house right in the back.
That's all the country.
joe rogan
And how old are you in this?
that mexican ot
When did it say that video dropped?
Oh, okay.
No, I reposted it on there.
So it's about five years ago.
I was maybe like 20. Right there.
20 sounds right.
joe rogan
So you, your whole life you've been on this path.
that mexican ot
Yeah, correct.
And you want to know what's crazy?
Some people that I talked to back then in the country, and they're like, bro, I've always looked at you as a rapper.
Even kids in school, people at school that I talked to, man, you just always had a rapper Like, I've always just looked at you as a rapper.
You know what I'm saying?
Even in kids at school, like, oh yeah, he's a rapper.
You know, like, bro, I was in Miss Terry's class in eighth grade, and everybody's getting certificates in school, and, you know, my buddy Brent, he's like, most likely to go into UFC, most likely to...
Wear a red button-up shirt, most likely.
And everybody's getting this stuff, and Mons was most likely to be a rapper.
So everything was just surrounded by it.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, I remember being at school rapping at lunch, having the teachers and the kids surrounding me.
The bells ringing, we supposed to go to the next class, and we still going headstrong.
Wow.
Like, I've always just had a crowd.
I've always been a center of attention.
I remember my nanny would take me to Pallet Royal to go school shopping when I was like 8th grade.
I mean, 8 years old, 9 years old, 10 years old.
And I'm rapping to the people in Pallet Royal.
You know?
There was a car show.
My mother had just passed.
I was probably like 9 years old.
And my cousin Daniel took me to this car show, Slim Thug, Zero, and Paul Wall, and them were on stage performing.
And while they're on stage performing, you know, the car show's gone over here and then they got a bunch of vendors in their pop-ups.
And this one dude has a microphone at his pop-up and he's trying to sell shit.
Oh, this and that, yeah, woo-woo.
And I ended up grabbing his mic and I started rapping to zero and then performing live on stage.
I don't even think they know this story.
I've never even told them that shit.
And, um...
But yeah, bro, I was rapping to Paul Wall, Slim Thug, and Zero on stage live.
Wow.
I was probably like nine years old.
unidentified
Wow.
that mexican ot
You know?
I'm seeing all these women, you know what I'm saying, wearing booty shorts and these crop tops.
And I'm seeing all these dudes and they just look clean with the J's.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm like, damn, like, I'm in here.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
At nine.
that mexican ot
Yeah, shit was cool.
unidentified
Wow.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
What were your first influences musically?
that mexican ot
Definitely whatever my mama was jamming.
She was jamming at Ashanti and Ja Rule.
My dad was jamming everything.
My dad was jamming like fucking All Springs, fucking Tool.
He was jamming Three Day Grace, fucking all that shit.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Oh, just mix it up.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
And then my mama's side of the family, they all gangsters and like cholas.
So it was like gangster rap music and then like some Latino music.
And then my dad's side of the family, they're all cowboys, so I'm jamming country and shit like that.
Then I go with my dad and he's jamming rock and all this extra shit.
So I just got to...
And then once I got older and started discovering music on my own, you know what I'm saying?
I've already liked rock and rap to Latino music, to country, so how farther can I go with this?
And now my taste in music is just all...
I'll jam music, I don't even know the language to, but if I feel it, I feel it.
I feel it.
I think that's why it's easy for me to just jump in any genre and dominate because I can feel it and put me in it.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You don't have a restriction in your head of what you can do.
that mexican ot
Correct.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, that's Cowboy Killer.
Correct.
And I think that's one of the reasons why I resonate with so many people because it's just...
It's fun, and it's like, what is this guy doing here, man?
that mexican ot
But it don't sound forced either.
joe rogan
It also doesn't sound like anybody else.
You don't sound like anybody else.
I play that, and people go, who the fuck is that?
They get interested.
This is different.
that mexican ot
Thank you.
joe rogan
It's beautiful when something comes along that just resonates like that.
You know, there's so many influences out there.
So when someone comes along, you're like, wow, that's a different vibe.
that mexican ot
Stevie was definitely my influences for music like Cowboy Killer.
Stevie Ray Vaughan, he was a white boy.
After every show, he'd be like, and walk up.
My grandpa, he said he used to be on acid at his shows in Austin all the time.
joe rogan
He performed at my club.
We have a photo of him on stage at my club from 1983. Are you shitting me?
that mexican ot
Holy fuck, that's sick!
joe rogan
When you walk towards the club, when you're downstairs and you're walking towards the stage, there's a photo on the side of the wall, there's two of them, of Steve Ray Vaughn on stage.
At the theater.
that mexican ot
You a bad motherfucker, Joe.
joe rogan
We got lucky with that.
We got lucky with that.
I didn't even know the history of the place until I bought it.
What was it?
At one point in time, it was the Ritz Theater on 6th Street.
that mexican ot
Oh, not shit.
joe rogan
So at one point in time, it was the Alamo Draft House.
There he is.
That's the photo we have.
that mexican ot
Wow.
joe rogan
It was a rock and roll club.
It was a punk rock club.
It was a nudie movie theater.
It was a pool hall.
that mexican ot
Wow.
So it's already been known for just being the spot.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's it right there.
that mexican ot
Wow.
joe rogan
So it was always a cool spot.
unidentified
Let's see.
joe rogan
And now it's my comedy club.
But it's just, there's certain old places where you walk in them and you can feel the memories in the walls.
I think buildings have memory.
I think that's why people don't want to buy a house where someone was murdered in.
Yeah, I think buildings have...
I think things have memory.
I really do.
There's a guy named Rupert Sheldrake.
I forget what his discipline is.
I think he's an evolutionary biologist or something like that.
I forget what he does.
But anyway, he's got this theory about memory and that we have this idea that we are the only things that have memory.
But he thinks that everything has memory.
That all things around you...
unidentified
And you agree.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's a psychology.
Psychology researcher.
He prefers a concept of morphic resonance, a conjecture that lacks mainstream.
He gets criticized as being kind of a loon, but he's got some really fucking interesting ideas and he's a brilliant guy.
He just thinks outside the box.
And one of the things he thinks is that everything has some sort of a memory to it.
He's not the only one that thinks that.
that mexican ot
I want to understand him.
Like, this table is gonna...
joe rogan
It can't tell you things, but this table is different because of all the people that have been in this room talking.
And I think there's something real to that.
that mexican ot
Yeah, so when I say I agree, I say I feel like I agree because words are powerful.
joe rogan
Experiences are powerful.
that mexican ot
Yeah, there you go.
joe rogan
Yeah, everything's powerful.
Words facilitate experiences, right?
You go on stage and you're killing it, and everybody in the audience is jamming out.
That's an experience, you know?
And then will they go back to that place?
Maybe they'll go back and be empty someday.
I saw that Mexican OT here, right here.
I was standing right here, and you feel it.
I think that's why when you go by your old high school, you go by your old high school, you feel like a loser again, like, ooh.
It makes me feel like I felt when I was 16. There's something about that.
I know that's a psychological connection that you have, but I also think that high school's got the memories of a bunch of confused, fucked up kids that didn't know what to do with their life and they were buck wild and yelling and screaming and school fights and all the chaos.
I think it's burned into the walls.
I really believe that.
that mexican ot
Yeah, I can agree with that.
That sounds crazy.
I've never heard it, but I actually love that.
joe rogan
I think that's what haunted houses are.
What?
Yeah.
I think ghosts are real.
But I think what a ghost is, is the, like if someone gets brutally murdered in a building, like imagine if there's a house and some husband comes home and brutally murders his wife.
Nobody wants to buy a fucking house.
that mexican ot
Correct.
joe rogan
Nobody wants to buy that house.
He stabbed her a hundred times in the kitchen.
Nobody wants that house.
You gotta level that house to the ground and still people don't want that land.
It's just too fucked up.
I think when something truly horrific happens, the experience is so intense and extreme that that energy creates like a void.
that mexican ot
Yeah, correct.
joe rogan
And you feel that void when you're there.
And I think if you're in the right state of mind, and you're in a house where someone fell down a flight of stairs and snapped their neck and was in horror, you would feel it.
that mexican ot
Yeah, I do agree.
joe rogan
You would feel it.
And you might feel them.
Their experience might be recorded in a way where it has a little flashback.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you just hear someone saying help real softly, and you're like, what the fuck is going on?
You turn the lights on, no one's there.
that mexican ot
Fuck.
Fuck all that, man.
I do agree, though.
I've always believed in God and things like that, because I grew up non-denominational.
My nanny always prayed and things like that.
But what made me full-on believe it in spirits and knowing that it's here was I seen bad first.
I was like, well, fucking yin and yang.
Yes and no, on and off.
Like, if there's bad, there's gotta be good.
And, um...
After that, that's when I've like been full-on prayed up and like full-on been trying to get better with the message, you know?
Because I want to be ready.
We got to be ready for that talk, you know?
Mm-hmm.
But yeah, no, it gets wicked though, definitely.
joe rogan
The other thing that makes me uncomfortable as I get older is I realize that there probably has to be evil in order for good to exist.
There's some weird, with human beings, there's some very weird balance.
Very weird balance of good and evil.
And it's just like you don't appreciate sunshine unless it rains.
You live in LA, you're always used to the sun.
Sun's bullshit.
Nobody gives a fuck about that sun.
But man, you live in Portland.
The day it's sunny out, you're like, oh!
You're out in the park with a coffee.
Oh, this is beautiful.
Feel that sun.
that mexican ot
It feels so good.
joe rogan
I think we need a balance.
And unfortunately, one of the things that creates more good is evil.
Because someone has to combat that good, or combat that evil.
And the way you combat that evil is become a better person, become great, become something special.
that mexican ot
I like it.
joe rogan
I think that's real.
And it's like there's so much evidence of it.
If you look at human beings, there's never been a time where there haven't been evil people.
that mexican ot
Ever.
unidentified
Yeah, correct.
that mexican ot
No, correct.
joe rogan
There's not like one society where everybody figured it out and everybody was cool.
that mexican ot
Yeah, correct.
joe rogan
And if they are, it lasts like a couple years and then it falls apart.
You know?
unidentified
I think, uh...
that mexican ot
No.
joe rogan
What?
that mexican ot
I do want to tell you this, though, before I forget.
The wolves you got out there, have you ever seen the movie Creep?
joe rogan
Creep.
that mexican ot
Yeah, it's a fucking scary-ass movie.
joe rogan
When was that movie from?
How long ago?
that mexican ot
I don't know.
Maybe like 2017, 2016, maybe?
joe rogan
I don't think I saw it.
that mexican ot
Yeah, I would highly advise it.
unidentified
Yeah?
that mexican ot
Yeah, it reminds me of Peach Fuzz.
joe rogan
Peach Fuzz?
that mexican ot
You just gotta watch it.
I wouldn't even want to ruin it for you.
I don't know if you like movies or not, but bro, it's an amazing movie.
joe rogan
That wolf out there, that's from the American Werewolf in London.
that mexican ot
Oh, okay, see it.
joe rogan
You ever see that movie?
that mexican ot
No, I haven't.
joe rogan
Oh, look at this thing.
that mexican ot
Yes, Peach Fuzz!
Holy fuck!
joe rogan
Oh, that's hilarious.
that mexican ot
Bro, please watch it.
joe rogan
Oh, so that guy's the villain?
So he's a bad guy with a wolf mask on?
that mexican ot
Yeah, I mean, yeah, but you just gotta watch it.
joe rogan
Okay.
that mexican ot
He's thrown off, man.
joe rogan
He drives around like that?
You gotta watch it, bro.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Oh, they're doing a Creep 2. Yeah, they did.
They did a Creep 2?
unidentified
Yeah, they did do a Creep 2. Creep 1 was 2014, Creep 2 2017. There you go.
joe rogan
Underrated horror movie.
that mexican ot
So Creep 2 is alright, you know what I'm saying?
It's kind of like Grease, like you should've just left it alone with the first one.
But...
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Kind of like Rambo.
that mexican ot
Correct, but...
It was a Rambo 2?
joe rogan
There's only like three or four Rambos.
How many Rambos have there been?
jamie vernon
I think there's even a new one coming out.
joe rogan
Apparently, the last one is hilarious.
that mexican ot
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, my friend Joey Diaz saw the last one.
He said, dude, it's a comedy.
You gotta watch this.
Sylvester Stallone is 80 years old.
He's killing everybody.
He's fucking everybody up and shooting everybody.
He kills like 150 people.
Apparently, it's ridiculous.
that mexican ot
You ever seen Badass with Machete?
joe rogan
Badass.
that mexican ot
Yeah, he's like the grandpa and he got caught whooping these dudes on camera and he went viral for it.
Then he becomes like a hometown hero.
joe rogan
When was that movie?
that mexican ot
Damn.
joe rogan
2012. I don't think I saw that either.
that mexican ot
I ain't gonna lie, I've seen a lot of movies.
joe rogan
From When You're on the Road?
that mexican ot
Yeah, that's what I was doing while watching.
My mama had like...
So we had the TV, and then there was a big-ass entertainment center surrounding it, and it was just filled with movies.
DVDs, VHSs down here in the middle.
I remember watching Monkeybone on VHS. Oh, wow.
joe rogan
That was an old one.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
I've been trying to shoot a video like that.
I like Monkeybone.
Whoopi Goldberg's in it and all that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
that mexican ot
Land of the Nightmares.
joe rogan
It's funny how Scarface became the gangster movie.
The gangster movie.
Everybody knew all the words to Scarface.
that mexican ot
You know what I think is the most gangsterest movie ever?
What?
Apocalypto.
joe rogan
Oh, that's a good one.
that mexican ot
Bro.
joe rogan
That's a good one.
that mexican ot
My favorite part is when he escapes him and he goes back in his jungle and he's like, this is my jungle.
And then they just got getting knocked off one by one.
That shit's wicked, man.
I like that shit.
joe rogan
That's a wicked movie, man.
That's a wicked movie.
that mexican ot
I like that one.
joe rogan
And that was back when Mel Gibson, like, everybody's like, Mel Gibson's fucking crazy.
that mexican ot
Really?
They thought of him like that?
joe rogan
Yeah, he got pulled over.
He was drunk and said a bunch of wild shit about Jews.
that mexican ot
Wow.
joe rogan
Then the cops had it recorded.
that mexican ot
Damn.
joe rogan
Yeah, and, you know, Mel is...
unidentified
Damn, what's up?
that mexican ot
I feel like I got lately.
I've been hearing everybody talk shit about Jews.
joe rogan
It's popular these days.
that mexican ot
It's popular these days.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's because of what's going on in Gaza.
that mexican ot
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.
that mexican ot
Oh, yes, bro.
Hey, I ain't gonna lie.
I know she scared the fuck out of them.
jamie vernon
I heard this movie recently described as just like it's a non-stop chase, which it kind of is.
joe rogan
Kind of is, but it's fucking good.
that mexican ot
What is a non-stop chase?
jamie vernon
Like the whole movie is a chase scene.
joe rogan
Yeah.
that mexican ot
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jamie vernon
Sometimes it's just a scene in a movie, but it's like the whole movie.
joe rogan
It was a brutal fucking movie, too.
Yo, you know what's good?
Have you seen Shogun?
unidentified
That series that's on FX? Nah, I can't get into series.
joe rogan
Oh, man.
that mexican ot
Yeah, it's good?
joe rogan
This one's good.
that mexican ot
Wow.
joe rogan
This one's good.
that mexican ot
Wow.
joe rogan
This is on Japan in the 1600s, and these dudes are starving at sea, and their boat washes ashore.
In Japan, they get captured, and they kill a couple of them, and this one dude...
I don't want to spoil it for you, but it's just like showing you the reality.
It's very well done.
that mexican ot
Yeah, I believe it.
joe rogan
The reality of life in Japan, in Osaka, in 1600. It's a fucking incredible, incredible series.
It's so well done.
that mexican ot
This is it right here.
joe rogan
Yeah, they did it.
that mexican ot
So good.
Oh, I feel like I've seen commercials of it.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's new.
It's still airing.
I think they've only aired three episodes so far.
Maybe four by now.
that mexican ot
Okay, so you're into this.
How did you feel about Hitman?
joe rogan
I didn't watch Yip Man.
I mean, I knew the history of Yip Man, which I think it's kind of based on, who's Bruce Lee's Wing Chun instructor.
But I don't get into those kind of movies that much.
Those kind of kung fu movies.
Too much of my analytical brain for fighting is like, why are you fighting like this?
Just grab that dude.
Kick his legs out from under him.
Take him down.
unidentified
Strangle him.
This is stupid.
that mexican ot
This is stupid.
joe rogan
Why are you guys standing here in front of each other doing this shit?
that mexican ot
Yeah, I dig it.
unidentified
I dig it.
that mexican ot
It just looked cool.
My dad always called it pretty fighting.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I could never get into kung fu movies.
A lot of my friends were into kung fu movies.
I'd go, but I didn't get into them.
that mexican ot
Scary movies.
How you feel about scary movies?
joe rogan
Love scary movies.
that mexican ot
That's where I'm at.
Like, bro, it's almost like weed ain't enough no more.
I need meth.
You know what I'm saying?
unidentified
Wow.
that mexican ot
Damn.
Because, like, bro, I was already watching scary movies with my mama.
Like, that was her favorite.
So, like, now I don't even want a scary movie.
I want something that's, like, disturbing.
joe rogan
Well, what is that one movie where that dude wears, like, a clown face and kills everybody?
that mexican ot
Bro, you gotta watch Creep.
That's what I'm trying to tell you.
Creep's a good one.
joe rogan
But this one's like that, too.
I will watch Creep.
that mexican ot
For sure.
joe rogan
There's some fucking, it's like real gruesome, horrible shit.
Ooh.
And the dude dresses like a clown.
They made a couple of them.
unidentified
Terrifier.
that mexican ot
Terrifier!
That's right.
That's my dad's favorite.
That's crazy about it love.
Like my dad wants him tatted on him.
His name's Art the Clown.
joe rogan
Your dad wants him chatting on him, that's amazing.
Pull a video, pull a clip up of Terrifier.
This motherfucker is legitimately terrifying too.
that mexican ot
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
And he'll just be smiling.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at it.
that mexican ot
You seen how he fucking cut homegirl from the puss down?
joe rogan
Yeah, not nice.
Really not a nice thing to do.
that mexican ot
Ew, look at them teeth.
joe rogan
It's funny how people disrespect him.
They think he's funny.
They think he's silly.
Like, look at you, you fucking loser.
that mexican ot
Yeah, that's really what it is.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They always have to disrespect him first.
And then he's like, get away, you fucking stupid clown.
that mexican ot
Then that 16-year-old feeling comes back.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're just chopping him up.
that mexican ot
He's like, oh, you finna die.
joe rogan
Makes Pennywise look like Krusty.
Yeah.
that mexican ot
Oh, man.
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's a crazy movie, man.
that mexican ot
Rob Zombie was also gnarly, too.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
that mexican ot
I was a big fan of his work.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a cool dude.
I got to meet him.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, I did a podcast with him back in the day.
that mexican ot
Sick.
How is he?
joe rogan
He's great.
Great.
that mexican ot
Great.
unidentified
I believe it.
joe rogan
It's so interesting that that guy got really into making horror movies, too.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, and he does those same kind of movies, like, really fucked up.
that mexican ot
I feel like he had the best Halloween, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, he had a really good Halloween.
that mexican ot
For sure.
joe rogan
How many of those have there been?
unidentified
Uh-huh.
that mexican ot
Too many.
joe rogan
There's been so many of those movies.
that mexican ot
Yeah, I feel like a lot of the scary movies now are a little lame just because they just make them complete fucking studs.
It's more of like an action movie for the scary killer.
He just comes in and just fucking fucks shit up, goes apeshit.
Like, bro, I want to be scared.
I don't want to see him fucking take on the whole army.
You know what I'm saying?
It's an action movie.
joe rogan
I prefer action movies.
A good one.
that mexican ot
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, a good action movie.
unidentified
What's a good action movie?
joe rogan
Well, a stupid good action movie, it's good, but it's not realistic, is John Wick.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a great one.
that mexican ot
You need to watch Avengement.
joe rogan
Yeah?
Avengement?
that mexican ot
What's Avengement?
It's about...
I personally, like, I always say that he...
I ain't gonna say he'd whoop John Wick, but he'd put John Wick in fight.
joe rogan
Really?
that mexican ot
For sure.
joe rogan
Have you seen Sisu?
that mexican ot
Sisu, no I haven't.
joe rogan
Sisu is about a dude in World War II that's basically like a John Wick in World War II. And he kills like 100 Nazis by himself.
It's fucking amazing.
It's amazing.
that mexican ot
Yeah, it sounds sick.
joe rogan
It's a real good movie too.
It's real well done.
unidentified
Sisu?
joe rogan
Sisu.
that mexican ot
Sisu.
joe rogan
What is it?
What country?
Finnish?
jamie vernon
I think so.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think you're right.
that mexican ot
Yeah, no, fucking Avengement.
I forgot what his name was, but he was a fighter, and his brother was doing some gangster shit, and he ended up going down for his brother, and fucking, yup, right here.
He's in UK. Avengement.
The prison that he's in is so grinded.
They call it the meat grinder.
Yo, I'm talking about just fucking, fucking shit up, bro.
Jesus Hit him with a napalm Alright Alright He's like, yeah, bro.
He was like, you just gotta callous the mind.
Bro, he was like, man, he's a badass.
joe rogan
Look at him.
that mexican ot
Then that's when he escapes prison.
And you know what's my favorite part about him?
joe rogan
What?
that mexican ot
His heart.
Why he does everything that he does in this movie.
joe rogan
Why's that?
that mexican ot
You just gotta watch it.
joe rogan
I always feel like I'm being conned when a movie does that.
When there's like a hit man with a heart of gold.
I'm like, shut the fuck up.
Just shut the fuck up.
I know what you're doing, bitch.
I'm not 12. Yeah, of course.
that mexican ot
He definitely was doing this to be a savage, but he might as well end on some good shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, but there's always the guy who's the contract killer, but he has rules.
The person has to be guilty.
He has a whole thing.
that mexican ot
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
That's like the gray man.
that mexican ot
The Outfit.
Have you seen The Outfit?
That's another good one.
My dad just put me on that one.
It's like some old-school gangster time where they wear suits and shit.
Mobsters more.
I think that's more gangster than me.
I've always been into the mobs more than some gangbangers.
joe rogan
Yeah?
that mexican ot
For sure.
It's just player to me.
joe rogan
Like old-school mob movies.
that mexican ot
Yeah, correct.
Like The Godfather and all that.
Even The Goodfellas and things like that.
It's just player to me.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Well, there's something about it.
That lifestyle is so appealing to some people that feel like their life is mundane and boring.
You know, like, that's why The Sopranos was so good.
Tony Soprano was a straight-up murderer, and he was the hero.
A straight-up murderer.
that mexican ot
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
He killed Christopher Moltisanti in his fucking Cadillac Escalade seat.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
He just killed him right next to him.
He was a killer, but you liked him.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was a liar, a killer, a thief.
that mexican ot
Who were the two brothers?
The two brothers, I think it was based on the true story, too.
They were from Germany or something.
The Krays from England.
England, holy shit.
joe rogan
The Krays, bro.
that mexican ot
Just from the actors in the movie, they looked like brutes.
joe rogan
They were brutes.
Yeah, I believe it.
Bro, England didn't play.
that mexican ot
Bro, that's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
People think about England like fish and chips and fucking tea.
Cheerio.
that mexican ot
Yeah, nah.
There's hood everywhere, bro.
It fucked me up when I saw there was hood outside of Bay City because I thought Bay City was like the only hood in the whole world.
joe rogan
The Kraytons were running.
that mexican ot
Look at those two, bro.
joe rogan
Are they from Liverpool?
What part of England were they from?
that mexican ot
They'll smack the shit out of you.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They'll fucking stab you right in the dick.
that mexican ot
Where's my crumpet?
joe rogan
Where are these guys from?
unidentified
They look like...
Like, they just look like fucking boots.
joe rogan
Yeah, mostly in the east end of London from the late 50s until their arrest in 1968. Damn, so they ran shit for 18 years.
that mexican ot
That's a good run.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The movie's crazy, too.
that mexican ot
Yeah, no, it is.
joe rogan
The movie, apparently, is not too...
Off.
They didn't take any...
Yeah.
They didn't take any liberties.
It's basically the story, I believe.
that mexican ot
That's sick.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Again, it's weird where we like movies about bad people.
You know, there's something about that.
Strange.
Sicario.
that mexican ot
I don't think I know that one.
joe rogan
Oh, you never saw Sicario?
Dude.
That's a great fucking movie.
that mexican ot
Put me on.
Show me real quick.
joe rogan
That's Benicio Del Toro, man.
That's a great fucking movie.
Sicario is all about Mexican assassins.
that mexican ot
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Dude.
that mexican ot
Sicario.
joe rogan
Emily Blunt.
Benicio Del Toro.
It's a good fucking movie.
And Taylor Sheridan did it.
The guy who did Yellowstone.
that mexican ot
Oh, you know Ryan Bingham?
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
that mexican ot
I fucking met him at the rodeo.
He fucks with me.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
Everybody fucks with you, dude, once they hear you.
unidentified
Yeah, right, right.
joe rogan
This is a good fucking movie, man.
It's heavy.
that mexican ot
Nah, that shit looks gnarly.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a heavy movie.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
Did you see The Last Purge?
It made me think of The Last Purge.
joe rogan
Nah, I don't like those Purge movies.
that mexican ot
No?
How come why?
joe rogan
No, because I get prepared.
When I see Purge movies, I start fucking loading magazines.
that mexican ot
I feel like we're close to it.
joe rogan
We could be close to it.
I never felt that until the George Floyd riots.
Really?
Yeah, the George Floyd riots.
Here's the thing about riots.
This is my feeling.
that mexican ot
Okay.
joe rogan
I support your right to protest, but I'm not going to one of those.
You know why?
Because I think protests are a lot like war.
I think there's a mode inside the human brain.
Let me explain to you.
You ever catch a fish?
You know when you catch a fish?
The moment that fish is on the line, your whole body gets excited.
unidentified
Like, oh shit!
that mexican ot
Oh shit!
joe rogan
That is an ancient thing that is in us because it used to be that was survival.
If you caught that fish, your family was gonna have food.
That's why you get so excited.
I think when people are on the ground marching and they're all together and they're all chanting, that brings war.
It excites that feeling just the way catching a fish excites that feeling.
I think it excites that feeling of war.
When you're like, no more Trump!
unidentified
No more Trump!
that mexican ot
Whatever the fuck it is.
Black Lives Matter!
joe rogan
Whatever it is.
You're looking for someone to say it doesn't matter.
You're looking for someone.
It's not just a protest.
You are stimulating those thoughts of war.
You're marching on the ground with your fellow soldiers.
Even College of the Comrades.
There's a lot of wild shit that's involved in protest that excites people in a very dangerous way.
that mexican ot
Yeah, no, yeah, definitely.
I agree.
joe rogan
Mob mentality.
That's what mob mentality is.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, people always talk about mob mentality.
Like if there's something happens, there's a mob of people, people will do wild shit that they will never do normally because that excites the war gene.
There's a war gene inside of us because every human being has survived war.
If you're alive today, that means your genetics survive war.
That means somewhere down the line, whether it's bows and arrows or rifles or whatever, if you got to 2024, if your genes got to 2024, for sure there's some war in those genes.
Damn!
that mexican ot
What the fuck?
joe rogan
Damn!
That's why I will not go to protest.
You see, if there's a protest, I'm getting the fuck out of there.
that mexican ot
Yeah, it's gonna get wicked.
joe rogan
Because it could get wicked.
that mexican ot
Damn, I never thought of how you said that.
That's crazy.
I like that.
joe rogan
It's war.
War is inside of us.
And your body knows when you go to war, you have to switch gears.
You have to switch gears and that's where you beat someone to death with a rock in front of everybody.
You would never do that.
It was just you and that person.
There's something about that experience of being around a lot of people that are all being hostile and all excited together that just fires up parts of people.
And also you feel kind of like a badass because you're a part of a gang.
that mexican ot
Yeah, I think it's comforting knowing that there's a bunch of you, like knowing you can't lose.
joe rogan
Which is also like war.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
that mexican ot
Damn.
unidentified
Fuck.
that mexican ot
Fuck, dude.
I just want to love.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, that's a better way to live.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
For sure.
But you also have a lot now.
You know, that's the thing.
Once you have a lot, you're like, you know what?
I just want to love.
But when you don't have a lot and you're like, oh, these motherfuckers have a lot now.
unidentified
It's hard to love.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's hard.
It's hard to be comfortable.
that mexican ot
I do definitely agree because like I feel like it was harder to be like I feel like then like before I was you know chilling and bliss man like my anger was so horrible like I remember I'd get done being angry and when I would be done like I'd be like all I just want to sleep mmm like don't even talk yeah like fuck like I just want to sleep I'd feel like I got jumped like I just strained my body you know I'm saying just being angry and for no reason Fuck.
Like, bro, for the simplest shit, bro.
Anything.
Like, the wind blew the wrong way and I'd be like, fuck!
You know what I'm saying?
Like, I don't know what it was.
joe rogan
It's probably pent-up childhood shit.
that mexican ot
I feel like it definitely was.
But, you know, like you said, you know, it's easier to love when you have a lot of it.
joe rogan
Yeah, when things are going great for you, it's easier to love.
It's easier to also recognize you want to kind of...
Like, you've experienced bad, and now you're experiencing all this good, and you want to kind of keep that rolling.
that mexican ot
Yeah, correct.
It makes you want to do good.
joe rogan
You know what I'm saying?
that mexican ot
Or at least me personally, because I know you do good.
You know, because energy's real.
You know, I don't want to say karma or nothing, but like, man, you know, you'd be a whole-ass motherfucker.
Some whole-ass shit's eventually going to catch up to you.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Yes, that's a great way to put it.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, so why don't you put that on a t-shirt?
that mexican ot
Yeah, right?
I'm telling you, bro.
But, you know, you do good.
You know, like, man, I just like, bro, relationships is everything, too.
You know what I'm saying?
Because, like, just because I don't know how to do it, man.
Homeboy right here, I'm finna make it my best friend.
He's gonna do it for me.
joe rogan
Right.
that mexican ot
You know?
joe rogan
Yeah, relationships are very, very important.
People that don't have friends are lost.
that mexican ot
Lost.
joe rogan
The idea that you could be, like, the only one person having fun.
That's not real.
You can't have fun unless your friends are having fun.
unidentified
Correct.
joe rogan
If you're doing great in your life and all your friends are suicidal and depressed, that's not a good time, man.
that mexican ot
Yeah, and if you're good with it and, like, they still depressed and shit, like, you're throwed off, you know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
that mexican ot
Like, my boys, like, man, I've never, ever, ever flew first class, ever.
And my boy, Boomhauer, I started bringing him with me and I fucking started booking first class because, like, I want him to experience that shit, you know?
unidentified
Yeah.
that mexican ot
Like, man, what makes me happy is seeing my people happy and knowing I did it.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, we be out there chilling and shit like that, and I do all this, and I cater to everybody, and then finally I just sit back, light my joint up, and I just look.
And I see my partner over there laughing.
I see Cuz right here with some drinks, and he laughing.
You know what I'm saying?
And we just chilling.
I'm like, damn, I did that.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a good experience.
that mexican ot
I did that.
joe rogan
The problem with rappers have.
that mexican ot
I do shit for people that I know would never do shit for me.
But I do it because, like, man, that's just who I am.
joe rogan
I just want to love.
That's a great sign of your character, that you experience that while you're having success.
That you want to do good for other people and make other people feel good.
That's a great sign.
that mexican ot
It makes me feel good.
joe rogan
Well, you're a wise man.
That's a great sign of your character.
Because a lot of people, when they start doing good, they start going, I'm the fucking man.
Yeah, I'm the fucking man.
that mexican ot
You started off as a nobody, homeboy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
that mexican ot
You know what I'm saying?
Everybody's a nobody.
You know what I'm saying?
You just happen to be good at that.
You know what I'm saying?
I just happen to be good at rapping.
You know what I'm saying?
This shit don't make my dick bigger.
You know what I'm saying?
Real life.
Imagine if it did.
Yeah, that'd be bad though.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Nas would have the biggest dick on earth.
Rewind!
unidentified
Rewind!
that mexican ot
Yes!
Because it's hard telling a story.
joe rogan
Right.
that mexican ot
It's hard telling a story and rhyming.
joe rogan
Right.
that mexican ot
It's hard telling a story, rhyming, and telling the story backwards.
joe rogan
It's a masterclass.
Get the fuck out of here, bro.
Masterclass in writing.
I was just listening to Rewind yesterday, and I was thinking that exact same thing.
Like, how good is that?
How good is that?
Smoke goes back in the blunt.
Bullet goes back in the gun.
It's an amazing rap.
that mexican ot
Shoot, don't please.
joe rogan
Yeah, and it's so good.
It's so well written.
that mexican ot
It makes sense.
It flows, you know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
He's the best writer.
that mexican ot
Think so?
joe rogan
He's the best writer.
He's the best writer.
His lyrics are so goddamn good.
He's the GOAT. But you know who's super underrated and people don't give him his props?
It's Willie D from the Ghetto Boys.
that mexican ot
Willie D. And he was knocking motherfuckers out.
joe rogan
Knocking motherfuckers out.
He's a legit boxer.
Willie D's a real boxer.
He showed me a video of one of his fights and we were watching on his phone.
that mexican ot
I was like, dude.
joe rogan
I'm like, this is good.
Like, you got skills.
Like, if you told me this is like a middleweight contender who's coming up, I'd be like, oh, that guy's good.
that mexican ot
No shit.
joe rogan
He's good.
Willie can knock people the fuck out.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
But Willie wrote Fuck A War in 45 minutes.
You ever heard of Fuck A War?
unidentified
Mm-mm.
joe rogan
Alright, listen.
Sorry, YouTube.
We're gonna have to edit.
I need to play this for him.
that mexican ot
Let's do it.
joe rogan
YouTube will cut this out.
Can we cut this out?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And we'll come back.
We'll come back for the Spotify people you could...
Whatever.
We'll figure it out.
But we'll cut this out.
Listen to this.
Yeah.
that mexican ot
I agree, though.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I agree with that, too.
But Willie tells stories.
Like, there's a lot going on in his writing.
that mexican ot
Yeah, correct.
joe rogan
That's what I love about 90s hip-hop.
unidentified
Yeah, correct.
joe rogan
Like, the lyrics of 90s hip-hop.
that mexican ot
They were saying shit.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, man.
I grew up on 90s hip-hop.
When I lived in New York, all I did was play pool.
Play pool and do comedy.
And when I was playing pool, that was the 90s hip-hop era.
People were listening to Cool G Rap and DJ Polo.
It was like...
It was a different time, man.
that mexican ot
I think, to me, M was the best.
M and Big L, when it came to those storytellers.
joe rogan
People forgot about Big L, man.
that mexican ot
Bro, Big L is one of the reasons why I'm an animal today.
joe rogan
Really?
that mexican ot
A Mexican with no green card showed me who Big L was.
joe rogan
Really?
that mexican ot
Yup.
My partner, Furman.
joe rogan
Wow.
I found out about Big L because I was a Gangstar fan.
And so in the beginning of full clip, it says, Big L, rest in peace.
And it goes into that, and I was like, who's Big L? Oh, and that's when, yeah, loophole from there.
Yeah, I found out Big L, and Big L had been murdered.
I'm like, oh, shit.
that mexican ot
Yeah, I think I was in the seventh grade when I found out about him, eighth grade.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's so many hip-hop artists, but Cool G Rap is one that I bring up all the time because people forgot about him.
that mexican ot
Tech N9ne, too.
Tech N9ne.
Tech N9ne's another band.
I remember I was jamming Tech N9ne, Yellow Wolf, and all these dudes.
I was jamming Worldwide Choppers, and people would be like, turn this shit off.
Like, what the fuck?
I'd be like, bitch, y'all are trippin', you know what I'm sayin'?
But their minds wasn't there, you know what I'm sayin'?
They was like on that, I think, Mumble Rappers' belly comin' out, the fuckin', you know what I'm sayin'?
The drugged up SoundCloud rappers was here, so all that shit was out the window to them.
joe rogan
Well, people forgot about some of the great Mexican hip-hop too, like Kid Frost.
that mexican ot
Kid Frost was cool.
unidentified
Yeah.
that mexican ot
I don't know if you know Lil Bing and Big Flake.
joe rogan
No, I don't.
that mexican ot
Yeah, those are some Texas Mexicans that was like really the shit.
And my uncles too.
My uncles was like, they was SPM to me.
And they was hard.
So like even just having my uncles, them being my Mexican mentors, you know what I'm saying?
Like...
It was ripping shit, real life.
joe rogan
Nice.
that mexican ot
Ripping shit up.
joe rogan
If you wanted to develop a rapper, you kind of...
that mexican ot
The perfect story for it.
joe rogan
It was like you got your PhD in the streets.
that mexican ot
Bro, that's what I'm saying.
Even my dad, he put me through gladiator school with that shit.
You know what I'm saying?
I remember being like, Dad, I don't want to rap.
Because everybody was trying to be a rapper.
Dad, I don't want to be rapping no more.
He'd be like, shut the fuck up, get on this beat.
For real.
You know what I'm saying?
And he would have me rap not because he wanted me to be better, not because he wanted me to push me.
He was being selfish.
It was his entertainment.
joe rogan
Yeah, but also, he probably knew that that's the only way to really develop a man correctly.
that mexican ot
Correct, but I don't think that was on his mind.
joe rogan
No?
that mexican ot
Have you talked to him about this?
I mean, I hear him talk about it.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
that mexican ot
You know what I'm saying?
And he would just be fucked up.
Like, get down here.
I want to hear you.
You know?
Because he'd been hearing me since forever.
joe rogan
Right.
that mexican ot
Since I was rapping through a window.
joe rogan
Well, there is a lot of that with parents of athletes.
You know?
Like, they couldn't make it in the sport.
But then they're like super involved parents and they force their kid to train and go to camps.
that mexican ot
But nobody in my family did music.
joe rogan
No one?
that mexican ot
No one.
joe rogan
Really?
So it was just your dad just loved it and he wanted you to do it?
that mexican ot
My mama loved it.
You know what I'm saying?
And then my dad was just a fan of it.
joe rogan
Wow.
that mexican ot
You know?
joe rogan
Well, that's fucking dope.
Having your dad be a fan of your shit.
that mexican ot
Yeah, that's also another thing that I was super grateful for, because there was a lot of kids that I was growing up with, and their parents drilled them to be something else, you know?
Exactly what you were saying.
They're like, man, fuck all that.
Even my stepmama, she wanted me to go, bro, I took the ASVAB like five times and failed every time.
I even cheated and still failed.
You know what I'm saying?
Real life.
I got to ask that for dummies, rip those out of the fucking page, put them in my pants, went in there trying to look for answers.
It just wasn't for me.
And my grandpa Skip, he was like, Virgil?
He was like, he said, do what the fuck Virgil wants to do.
He said, but whatever it is, just make sure you fucking do it.
So if you want to be a rapper, you can be a rapper, but make sure you fucking do it.
And he's like, now he's like, you know what I'm saying?
You're gonna have to have a job.
You're gonna want a phone.
Now you got a phone bill.
You're gonna want a car to move around to go to these shows.
You're gonna have fucking card notes and all this extra shit.
And he just, you know, just giving me game on it.
And his story, like his main thing to get to me was just do it though.
You know, fucking do it.
joe rogan
Just do it.
that mexican ot
Do whatever you want to do.
Just do it.
joe rogan
But that's a big thing in life is just doing things.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So many people just lay it.
that mexican ot
The hardest part is showing up.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Always, still, to this day.
that mexican ot
Correct.
joe rogan
To this day, the hardest part, going to the gym, is actually deciding you're gonna go, getting in there, and then once you get going, it's pretty easy.
that mexican ot
It's like, ah, fuck, I'm here.
joe rogan
Yeah, even when it's hard, it's like, I know what I'm doing.
that mexican ot
Yeah, correct.
joe rogan
I've done this forever.
unidentified
Yeah, correct.
joe rogan
And you get accustomed to doing it.
And then if you're, like, that's where your dad, like, really served you well, because he made you do it.
Even if it was for his entertainment, damn, you got something out of that.
Think about all those reps you put in.
All those times you were rapping from the time you were a little kid, all those reps, just constant reps, constant reps.
that mexican ot
Now it's mostly memory at this point.
joe rogan
Exactly.
It's part of you.
It's like you could wake you up at 3 o'clock in the morning and say, start rapping.
that mexican ot
Yeah, correct.
joe rogan
And you fire right up.
that mexican ot
Correct.
joe rogan
Yeah, it becomes a part of you.
And that only happens through repetition.
You've got to get those reps in.
that mexican ot
Yeah, career.
joe rogan
There's no other way around.
There's no shortcuts.
There's no easy road.
When you meet a dude and he's a bad motherfucker and he's 24 or 25, you go, how long have you been doing this?
I was a little kid.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
That's what I try to tell people.
I try to compare.
There's some people, as soon as they were walking, they were in karate.
joe rogan
Right.
that mexican ot
As soon as I was talking, I was rapping.
Yeah.
Music is what taught me...
It didn't teach me English and how to talk, but it taught me how to put shit together, really.
You know what I'm saying?
If that makes sense.
joe rogan
It does make sense because you're formulating raps.
You're not just talking to your friends.
You're formulating shit that's going to be entertaining.
So it's exciting, that creative part of your mind.
And again, you're developing that way.
And you're developing that way with the internet.
So you have the influence of all these rappers.
You could get anybody who ever lived.
You can listen to 100 Miles and Runnin'.
You can listen to Eminem shit.
You can listen to Snoop Dogg shit.
You can listen to anything, anytime you want.
It's a magical time for someone to be inspired and influenced.
that mexican ot
Correct.
I agree.
Damn, that's beautiful.
Especially the MTV music videos.
I don't know if you remember that.
joe rogan
Yes, I remember those.
that mexican ot
So my nanny, she was working at the plant.
So like 3, 4 o'clock in the morning, we're up.
She's taking me to the babysitters.
I'm putting MTV on because I want to watch some shit.
Music videos start playing.
I remember watching the Black Keys.
joe rogan
Yeah.
that mexican ot
And they had that tighten up.
joe rogan
Yes.
that mexican ot
And I remember being a kid watching that.
I wanted to do music like that.
joe rogan
Bro, those guys are the coolest.
that mexican ot
I've never met them, but they seem...
joe rogan
How long are you here for?
that mexican ot
I gotta be in South Padre tomorrow and then California for Rolling Loud.
I'll be back on the 18th.
joe rogan
Tomorrow, I'm going to see the Black Keys at Stubbs in town.
that mexican ot
Are you shitting me?
joe rogan
Yeah, bro, I took them to the club Tuesday night.
They came, they did the podcast, we hung out.
I got a little too high.
I was barbecued.
But it was just a little...
I just love them so much.
They're so cool.
And Patrick is hilarious.
That dude is funny like a comedian.
He's funny.
I told him, I go, Don, I don't want to fuck up your life, man, but you could do comedy.
Because there's dudes you meet that could do...
I used to work for this dude who's a private investigator.
that mexican ot
I feel like being funny, though, in a comedian is different.
joe rogan
It's only a little different.
It's next-door neighbors.
You just gotta figure out how to go over.
that mexican ot
Yeah, but...
joe rogan
But it's a skill.
You learn how to do it.
It's gonna take time, but you can do it.
that mexican ot
I believe it.
joe rogan
It's like a podcast.
I tell everyone, if you were an interesting person to talk to, you could have a podcast.
that mexican ot
Correct.
joe rogan
But you gotta learn how to do it.
that mexican ot
Correct.
joe rogan
You gotta learn how to not interrupt people.
You gotta learn how to, like...
You gotta bring the most out of them.
You gotta learn the flow of the conversation.
It seems like it's just talking, because it is just talking.
But it's an art form.
And being funny.
If you're funny with your friends, you can do it.
You just have to figure out how to do it.
that mexican ot
Yeah, I definitely agree.
But to me, I feel like it would be hard just because my mind's already so everywhere.
I suck at focusing.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you focus when you rap.
that mexican ot
Oh, that's it.
joe rogan
But that's it.
But that's all you need, a thing that you know you could do that now.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bro, as good as you are, you could do anything you wanted.
You could do anything.
If you decided to stop rapping and you got super excited about making cars, you'd make the dopest cars.
that mexican ot
Correct.
joe rogan
It's just a thing that a person...
It's Miyamoto Musashi, who's a samurai in the 1400s.
He wrote this book called The Book of Five Rings.
It's about strategy.
Miyamoto Musashi killed 60 men in one-on-one combat.
that mexican ot
Jesus.
joe rogan
He was like a legendary samurai.
I have him tattooed on my arm.
My whole right sleeve is Miyamoto Musashi.
that mexican ot
I see.
joe rogan
Because he said this one thing, and I read this when I was like 16 years old.
Once you know the way broadly, you can see it in all things.
that mexican ot
Once you know the way broadly, you can see it in all things.
joe rogan
Once you become a master at something, you can see what it takes to be a master in all things.
that mexican ot
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
That's one of the reasons why I enjoy music so much.
This guy has no musical ability at all.
I have nothing.
I have no talent.
So I've never tried.
b-real
So I see people do music.
joe rogan
I'm like, yeah, just make it.
Look at this magic experience.
This dude's up there just singing and dancing and playing music and my whole body's excited.
It's like I'm on a drug.
I'm like, wow, this is amazing.
It's magic.
I love it.
There's something about it, man.
It's like when you see people at the top of their game with anything, it's so exciting.
that mexican ot
Yeah, not correct.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
And you, the way you do that with rap, bro, you would just have to have a thing that you love the way you love rapping.
If there was a thing that came along and you loved that thing as much as you, whether it's painting, whatever the fuck it is.
that mexican ot
I'd dominate.
joe rogan
You would dominate.
unidentified
Yeah, correct.
joe rogan
You would dominate.
that mexican ot
I agree.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Because you would have the same focus and energy that you have with your music that you would have with that.
that mexican ot
Yeah, that's why I'm grateful for the music, man.
That other shit, I feel like I just always sucked at.
I have zero patience.
I suck at talking to people.
I don't want to talk to a lot of people.
joe rogan
But you're good talking right now.
that mexican ot
Yeah, because I want to talk to you.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's what it is.
That's the secret to this podcast.
I only talk to people I want to talk to.
that mexican ot
Correct.
joe rogan
So I reached out to you.
I was like, this dude seems cool as fuck.
I want to talk to him.
unidentified
I thank you, man.
that mexican ot
I thank you.
joe rogan
But that's how I do the show.
I just only find people like, what's the Black Keys?
I can't wait to talk to them.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
I would talk to them at a diner.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'd talk to them anywhere.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
We could just go to the park and talk.
Okay.
I want to talk to you.
that mexican ot
Yeah, that's sick.
joe rogan
I love talking to interesting people because I think it changes the way you see the world.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You see the world through their eyes.
I feel like you get a little something out of a person every time you sit and talk to them.
that mexican ot
You ever met somebody and you were like, man, you're told off.
I almost get it.
joe rogan
Yeah, a lot of people like that.
Comedians, man.
Comedians, almost all of them are off in some way.
To want to be standing on stage and make people laugh, tell stories, that's hard to do, man.
that mexican ot
No, yeah, bro, definitely.
joe rogan
To want to do that, you're a weirdo.
that mexican ot
And then being able to go from a story to another one and then bring it right back in where you been.
You know what I'm saying?
You're a bad motherfucker, bro.
joe rogan
It takes a lot of work.
But it's just like rap or anything else.
It's just time and reps and you're trying to make it better.
that mexican ot
Correct.
joe rogan
Looking at it all the time, fucking with it, twisting it around, changing it, adding to it, taking it away, editing it.
But that's a thing, like all things.
Like, all things.
And you really put your mind and your soul to it.
All things.
You find where the best version of it is.
that mexican ot
What genre of music was the first thing you heard and you were like, this is the music I want to listen to?
joe rogan
Man, I was real lucky that...
that mexican ot
Because you fucked me up with the Ghetto Boys.
joe rogan
Oh, I love Ghetto Boys.
that mexican ot
Let's see.
joe rogan
I love Ghetto Boys.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like I said, I love 90s rap.
I love a lot of East Coast 90s rap.
Like I said, cool G rap.
You ever heard...
Do you know who the brand new heavies are?
that mexican ot
No.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
The Brand New Heavies are like a jazz group that did collaborations with Gangstar.
They did a thing called the Heavy Rhyme Experience.
So it was this one CD they put out in the 90s.
And they did like jazz music, but they had like, play Death Threat by Cool G Rap.
One more.
This is the last one, I promise.
Sorry, YouTube.
We're going to have to...
You were just saying that you think rap came from jazz?
that mexican ot
Yeah, hell yeah.
I think rap came from jazz.
I mean, listen to it.
You know what I'm saying?
It's got like a groove.
It's got that bounce.
It's got that kick in there.
joe rogan
I think they made those sounds specifically so people could rap over it with live music.
A friend of mine.
that mexican ot
The Roots?
unidentified
Yeah.
that mexican ot
Holy shit.
joe rogan
The Roots had some fucking great jams.
that mexican ot
I can't wait.
You know what?
I feel like this is a perfect podcast to say it on.
I can't wait until Rock comes back.
I feel like Rock is slowly dying, bro.
I want it to stay alive forever.
Like, I can't wait till a good rock band come back out and they feel like a three day grace or like a crossfade.
They feel like a, you know, something like that.
joe rogan
Do I think there's just cycles of things?
I think if one killer band comes out now, a bunch will emerge.
that mexican ot
Yeah, because they made it cool again.
joe rogan
Yeah.
that mexican ot
But not because they haven't been found.
They're out right now.
joe rogan
Probably.
We just don't know who they are.
that mexican ot
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
that mexican ot
There's another me coming around somewhere.
joe rogan
Probably.
that mexican ot
There definitely is.
joe rogan
Definitely.
Yeah.
Yeah.
that mexican ot
You know, you just got to find, bro, like prisons?
Prisons are filled up with some badass motherfuckers, bro.
joe rogan
Of course.
that mexican ot
You know what I'm saying?
I've met a lot of people.
I've seen a lot of people in prison.
Like, bro, they master that shit, you know?
Like you said, they're with it every day.
Twisting it, pulling it, figuring it out, adding shit, taking it out.
joe rogan
No distractions.
that mexican ot
Like, bro, there's motherfuckers in there making fucking tattoo guns with nothing!
joe rogan
Yeah.
They're doing amazing tattoos.
Come on, bro.
I'm sure you've seen some prison tattoos are insanely good.
that mexican ot
Yeah, a lot of my dads are in prison.
His are crazy.
joe rogan
Some dudes inside are so talented.
And because they have to be so ingenious to take pens and figure out a way- And then a single needle at that.
that mexican ot
A spring to a pen.
Fucking toothbrush and a motor from something.
Yeah, like, what the fuck?
I'm trying to tell you, bro, there's some bad motherfuckers in there, bro.
Alright, so my Tio Chewy, he had me and my cousin Romeo in bars when we were, like, five years old in Mexico.
And, like, little border towns, Matamoros and things like that.
And Laredo, Eagle Pass.
And...
I remember there was this Mexican, and he was from Mexico.
I don't know if he was slow or simple-minded or what, but there was something off about him.
And he couldn't do a lot, but there was one thing he could do, and it was this old-school boombox radio.
The speakers, all the keys, you know, like the square one, old-school ones, and fucking...
He would bust that motherfucker down to springs and screws and fucking put it back together.
Bro, like bust that shit down to like springs, bro.
Like I don't even know, like just like whatever, like to the smallest piece and then put that shit back together.
Shit was sick.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's mechanics out there.
that mexican ot
Yeah, some people are just, some people like, even if they don't know how to do anything else like that right there, that's what he knows.
joe rogan
They get obsessed with it.
They get obsessed with part numbers and shit.
that mexican ot
Yeah, it's crazy.
joe rogan
They know where the gaskets go.
that mexican ot
That OCD stuff, like I've seen somebody open a door and they'll open and shut it, open and shut it, open and shut it, and then walk through.
joe rogan
Yeah.
that mexican ot
Is that some form of throwed off?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's throwed off.
that mexican ot
Definitely, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, 100%.
They wash their hands like 15 times in a row.
They can't stop.
that mexican ot
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Some people have to touch a door three times before they go through it.
Yeah.
that mexican ot
I feel like I have to do this.
But I've done this as a kid, though.
Especially now.
Touching your fingers?
No, like...
joe rogan
Doing that with your nails?
that mexican ot
Yeah.
I don't know why.
joe rogan
It's just a tick.
It's just a thing you like to do.
OCD is a disease.
That's a mental health disease.
Yeah, I know people who've had it.
that mexican ot
They made something called Snapchat Syndrome.
Did you see that?
joe rogan
What's that?
that mexican ot
That's fucking stupid.
That's in the dictionary now.
So the people, like, they're going to get surgery to look like these filters.
joe rogan
Oh.
that mexican ot
You know what I'm saying?
Like, that's crazy, bro.
joe rogan
Yeah.
that mexican ot
You're really only supposed to, like, God made you to give a fuck about what your family thinks and you meet, like, your cousin, your brother, your grandma, your thea.
Even once, like, it's your third cousin, fuck them.
joe rogan
Snapchat dysmorphia, a body image disorder characterized by the need to heavily edit one's own digital image.
At its most severe, the disorder may cause people to seek out cosmetic procedures in order to replicate the altered images they present online.
that mexican ot
That's ill.
That's ill, bro.
That's sick as fuck.
joe rogan
Well, that is one thing that's happening with social media.
It's twisting people's ideas of what's real.
that mexican ot
Yeah, bro.
And I don't know about y'all, but to me, there's such a thing as too much.
But the women from 2003...
You know what I'm saying?
Who was it?
Paris Hilton that made it fucking cute to wear the jeans below her waist?
Those type of women?
Like Jennifer Aniston?
Oh my god.
joe rogan
You like that?
that mexican ot
Oh my god, bro.
joe rogan
That's your one?
that mexican ot
Holy fuck.
I'd still get her pregnant to this day.
joe rogan
It might be hard.
She's like 50. Yeah, bro.
But I mean, probably no eggs left.
that mexican ot
She's a bad motherfucker.
I bet she got a few in there.
For real.
For real.
That's a bad motherfucker right there.
joe rogan
Imagine if like four months later we hear you got her pregnant.
She reaches out.
that mexican ot
We're gonna hope.
We're gonna wish for the best.
joe rogan
She loves your music.
She wants to meet up.
that mexican ot
I've never had a Mexican.
joe rogan
She's just bored with life and dating these dopey white dudes.
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
Just decides to step up.
that mexican ot
Fuck, man.
I mean, shit.
joe rogan
They're a real Mexican rapper.
There's her.
that mexican ot
Bro, that's what I'm saying.
Like, bro.
joe rogan
Damn.
that mexican ot
Why are you picking one with the dudes?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Why did you?
She's naked.
How about that one right there?
The blue one?
That's a good one too.
How about that blue one on the far right?
Right next to that?
Yeah, look at that.
That's not real?
jamie vernon
That's why I didn't pick that.
joe rogan
Damn.
It looks good though.
jamie vernon
That's new.
That's more recent.
I was trying to go with the 90s.
that mexican ot
She looked good even with age.
Oh, that's Friends!
That's her.
That's Prime.
That's like...
unidentified
Fuck, bitch.
that mexican ot
You're crazy.
Shit's sick.
joe rogan
A lot of dudes fell in love with her on TV. Dude, it's easy.
that mexican ot
Like, man, look at her, bro.
joe rogan
There's gotta be a weird world walking around where everybody wants to fuck you.
that mexican ot
Maybe.
joe rogan
Definitely.
that mexican ot
Think so?
joe rogan
100%.
that mexican ot
Yeah, maybe.
joe rogan
Imagine just being a regular hot woman.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
Everywhere you go, people are bullshitting you.
that mexican ot
Yeah, you know what?
I agree, bro.
Because there was a few days ago, I was at a show, and these girls were like, uh-huh, they were whistling.
I felt like one smacked me in my ass when I was...
Like, imagine a group of girls leaning against the wall like this, all thugged out and shit, and I just walked past and they're all harassing me.
I'm like, oh my God, this is what girls feel like?
Makes me never want to do it again.
Fuck.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's even worse.
Like, I've been hit on by guys.
I used to work out at a gay gym.
There was a gym on Coal Street.
that mexican ot
Hold on, wait, wait.
joe rogan
Yeah.
When I did news radio, the sitcom.
that mexican ot
But why the gay gym?
joe rogan
Because it was, I didn't know it was gay.
It was just a Gold's Gym.
But it was all gay clientele because it was a gay neighborhood.
that mexican ot
Wow.
joe rogan
So, it was close to the studio.
So, I could go during my lunch break.
I'd get to work with bros.
No, no, no, no, no.
They weren't like, hey.
They were like, hey, what's up?
They were like hard, hard gay dudes with fucking Timbalands on and mustaches.
And they were all like spotting each other and they all wore the shortest of shorts.
that mexican ot
It was wild.
joe rogan
Pink tank tops.
These dudes were men.
It was like a gay disco.
that mexican ot
You ever seen gay disco?
joe rogan
Bro, I'm not kidding, man.
It was like a gay...
I was one of maybe three or four straight men in that whole building.
that mexican ot
What the fuck?
joe rogan
The women were like a mirage.
They would walk through, no dude would even notice them.
that mexican ot
Wow.
joe rogan
The women, they must have loved it.
Women could just work out there and get no attention.
But dudes would try to spot you for no reason.
You didn't spot, bro?
Just so they could daggle their nuts over your head.
Like, hey man, I'm good.
I'm good.
Get out of here.
unidentified
Leave me alone.
that mexican ot
You ever seen Balls of Fury?
joe rogan
Balls of Fury.
that mexican ot
It's a ping-pong movie.
unidentified
No!
that mexican ot
Oh, fuck, please, bro.
joe rogan
What is Balls of Fury?
that mexican ot
There were fucking sex slaves, and then he was like, nah, he was like, I shouldn't.
He was like, you know what, I'll do it, fuck it.
And they were like, bet, well, you know, here come the sex slaves, and it's like, six foot five, dude, swole as fuck.
I imagine exactly what you're saying right now, and they just walking in.
Look at this shit, hold on.
Yeah, it's homeboy, the bottle of water.
joe rogan
Oh, Christopher Walken.
that mexican ot
Yeah, that's how he talks.
joe rogan
That guy's great.
Christopher Rock is great in everything.
It's a ping-pong movie.
that mexican ot
George Lopez is in it.
joe rogan
Oh shit.
What year was this?
that mexican ot
Like 07?
Yeah, there you go.
joe rogan
Oh wow.
Fucking ping-pong movie.
That's hilarious.
Patton Oswalt.
Oh, this is hilarious.
that mexican ot
Nah, you definitely have to watch it.
I feel like they don't make movies like this no more, man.
Oh bro, she's another one.
When I saw her, I was like, man.
joe rogan
It's hard to make a comedy now because everyone's scared to offend anybody.
that mexican ot
Yeah, everybody lives in their fucking emotions.
Like, bro, who gives a fuck?
It only burns for a little bit, man.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Well, with comedy, they're just worried about getting protested.
that mexican ot
South Park is still a thing.
That's all out the window.
joe rogan
But South Park has got the ultimate cheat code.
that mexican ot
What?
joe rogan
It's a cartoon, and they don't look at all like people, and you could have them doing wild shit, you could have them die, you could have like, oh, they killed Kenny, you bastards!
You could have people stuff people up their asses.
Remember when that teacher stuffed Paris Hilton up his ass?
that mexican ot
No, but I remember when he put the gerbil in his ass.
You remember that one?
joe rogan
That guy put everything in his ass.
South Park is the ultimate show.
that mexican ot
They had Jesus and Hitler fucking...
joe rogan
Yeah, they did.
that mexican ot
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He stuffed Paris Hilton up his ass to win the hoe off.
that mexican ot
Holy shit, keistered her.
joe rogan
Right up to the shoes.
that mexican ot
Jesus.
What would you do if you came in here and you seen this tall ass motherfucker and you just see his feet hanging out dangling from the ass?
joe rogan
I would be very confused.
Yeah, I would help him for sure.
I would have to.
that mexican ot
Would you fight him and then pull him out, or would you try to pull him?
unidentified
I would shoot him.
that mexican ot
Shoot him?
joe rogan
You shoot him.
The guy can stuff a man up his ass.
You have to shoot that guy.
that mexican ot
Yeah, definitely.
joe rogan
You have to shoot him in the head, otherwise you're going to hurt your friend, because your friend's stuffed in his body cavity.
that mexican ot
I was just thinking that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Imagine if I shot him in the chest and I killed Jamie?
that mexican ot
No, Jamie!
unidentified
No!
joe rogan
You have to shoot him in the head.
They killed Jamie!
And then you'd have to get people to help you, and you have to put your feet on his ass.
that mexican ot
Oh, fuck!
jamie vernon
Are you doing the mouth-to-mouth on me afterwards?
joe rogan
I think I'm gonna have to.
I love you.
unidentified
I love you.
joe rogan
You're my friend.
I'm not gonna let you die.
that mexican ot
Dude, my dad was like two elbows deep in a cow one time trying to help it give birth.
unidentified
Wow.
that mexican ot
Yeah, that's what I thought of when you said that.
joe rogan
Yeah, when they get in there, man, they get in there.
They're pulling babies out and shit.
b-real
It's a rough world, but that's how people lived forever.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
I had a buddy.
He was like 14 years old, and he was already, for a living, neutering bulls.
joe rogan
Jesus.
that mexican ot
Yeah, I was like, you're a bad motherfucker, yo.
unidentified
Jesus.
that mexican ot
He was showing me videos, snipping the balls and spraying it with some purple spray.
He's like...
unidentified
I was like, bro, he's gonna fuck you up.
joe rogan
How do they do that?
Are the balls contained in a pen?
that mexican ot
Yeah, it's like in a little pen, like those pens right before they jump out when they're bull riding.
joe rogan
Like that, and then the balls are hanging out there, and they just reach in and grab them.
that mexican ot
Cut them bad boys.
joe rogan
And then they eat them.
Rocky Mountain oysters.
that mexican ot
Do they?
Have you ever had them?
joe rogan
Yeah.
that mexican ot
They good?
joe rogan
It's not something I would order.
that mexican ot
Is it fat?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like mushy meat.
Yeah, it's like an organ meat.
Do you eat organs?
that mexican ot
I don't think so.
joe rogan
I eat liver.
I eat a lot of liver.
that mexican ot
I think I've had liver.
joe rogan
I had liver for breakfast.
Really?
Yeah, elk liver for breakfast.
that mexican ot
I saw that elkie knockdown out there.
That was sick.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's what I mostly eat.
that mexican ot
No shit?
joe rogan
Elk?
Yeah.
that mexican ot
No shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's really good for you.
And it's wild protein.
You don't have to worry about any hormones or bullshit.
that mexican ot
It's expensive, right?
joe rogan
Or do you go catch it?
No, I go get it.
Sick!
Yeah.
I go out there in the mountains and get it.
that mexican ot
That's one thing.
Because I hunt.
I'll take you to...
Oh, you're in Texas.
I'll bring you back over there where I'm at.
We'll be in a helicopter shooting pigs.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Yeah, I've been invited to do that, but my problem with that is that I don't think they eat those pigs.
No, we don't.
that mexican ot
We just leave them there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
that mexican ot
Is that a problem with you?
b-real
No, it's not a problem because it has to be done.
that mexican ot
Yes.
joe rogan
It does have to be done.
that mexican ot
You can't do that to deers, though.
No.
You can't do that to anything else.
joe rogan
They do it in other countries.
that mexican ot
Nah, that's fucked.
joe rogan
They do it in Australia and in New Zealand because they get overpopulated, and so they start gunning them down.
The helicopters.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
See, I've got like a fat ass AR, you know what I'm saying?
I blow these motherfuckers down, but bro, seeing you and watching you, what you do, I've wanted to get on a boat now.
joe rogan
Yeah.
that mexican ot
For the longest.
But you gotta be a bad motherfucker though, bro.
joe rogan
It's a lot of discipline.
that mexican ot
When I think of the bow and arrow and I see you hit that hoe, you look like a fucking viking, bro.
That shit looks badass.
joe rogan
I've been doing it a long time.
I've been doing archery for 12 years now.
that mexican ot
No shit.
joe rogan
I've got a little bit of an injury right now.
I've got a little bit of a tendonitis in my neck when it flares up when I'm at full draw.
So I haven't shot at all for a month.
So for one month, I've just been walking around my house like this.
Because usually it's a part of like every day.
Every day I get in front of that target and shoot at least 100 arrows.
that mexican ot
Damn, that's sick.
joe rogan
It has to be a part of your muscle memory.
that mexican ot
Yeah, that makes sense.
joe rogan
In order to be able to do it when you're under pressure, when you're hunting, you have to have ultimate confidence in your ability.
And even then, there's like so much wild shit happening.
b-real
Animals moving, they're screaming at each other.
joe rogan
You ever heard an elk scream?
that mexican ot
No, but I bet it's crazy.
unidentified
It's like...
joe rogan
When you're in the mountains and you hear that, it sounds like a mythical creature.
It doesn't even sound like a real animal.
Sometimes you're on a trail and you're hiding.
that mexican ot
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And when it's, like, right up next to you, like, there's times where you're, like, in the woods hiding.
You're hiding behind a tree, and these motherfuckers are walking through the trail.
So he's doing this 30 feet from you.
40 feet from you.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you're trying to find when you can pull your bow back.
Like, you hear him walking, but you don't want him to see you.
So you're, like, you got to stay totally still and wait till he turns his head away.
And then you're at full draw.
And they're screaming.
unidentified
Brrrr!
Yeah.
that mexican ot
That's another thing.
Like, you gotta have patience just fishing.
I know you gotta have patience with that shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, you have to...
Patience, you have to be fit.
that mexican ot
Yeah, that's another thing.
joe rogan
You have to go to the mountains, and you have to be able to hike eight miles, ten miles in a day.
that mexican ot
Fuck, I didn't even think of that.
Fuck all that shit.
It's hard, dude.
joe rogan
You have to eat a lot of food, you have to drink a lot of water and electrolytes, so you gotta be ready.
You can get dehydrated out there easy.
that mexican ot
Yeah, I believe it, definitely.
joe rogan
You get worn the fuck out of you.
that mexican ot
And then, I'm sure you're going somewhere higher, you know what I'm saying?
Now you got less oxygen and all that shit.
joe rogan
Oh, we're at like 8,000 feet most of the time.
that mexican ot
Yeah, fuck that, dude.
joe rogan
Well, the elk, they don't want to be around you.
They want to hide up in the places where it's tough to get.
that mexican ot
Makes sense.
What about a ram?
I've always wanted to catch a ram.
joe rogan
I've never done that, but they're beautiful.
that mexican ot
Yeah, I just...
Honestly, bro, I don't even think I want to catch one.
Like, I feel like I've always thought Rams were, like, my spirit animal.
joe rogan
Really?
Rams?
that mexican ot
Yeah.
They just mind their business and stay the fuck out of the way, you know what I'm saying?
They go and do what they got to do, bring it back, and then, like, bro, like, they just look handsome.
joe rogan
And they headbutt each other.
that mexican ot
Yes, I'm saying.
But, you know, Busta Rhymes, of course, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, sure.
that mexican ot
The Breaking Neck music video where he fucking headbutted the ram.
I met Busta when I fucking met him.
I brought that up and he went into full-on character mode.
joe rogan
Ah, that's amazing.
that mexican ot
Yeah, nah, shit.
Shout out Busta.
Because I've met some people that I was fans of and I'm like, oh, I bet you ain't shit, ho.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
that mexican ot
Yeah, hell yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, that sucks.
that mexican ot
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's a bummer.
that mexican ot
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that's also another thing.
I'm grateful that you're you.
You know what I'm saying?
Because I'm enjoying this.
There's some people, like I said, I met them and I'm like, man, you a hoe-ass motherfucker, bro.
joe rogan
That sucks.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
But, you know what I'm saying?
Like, Bust, when I met Bust, I was like, damn, like, he's the hero I thought he was.
joe rogan
Oh, that's cool.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's nice when you meet somebody and they live up to your expectations.
that mexican ot
Correct.
joe rogan
It is a bummer when they don't.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
Like, I hope Adam Sandler is who I think he is.
joe rogan
Oh, he is.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I know him well.
that mexican ot
I love Adam.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's great.
that mexican ot
You know why I love Adam?
joe rogan
Why?
that mexican ot
Because he put all his boys on and those motherfuckers ran with that shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's true.
unidentified
Bro.
that mexican ot
Bro.
And he funny, you know what I'm saying?
Like, bro, he got Happy Gilmore, he got some shit.
The Longest Yard, when he redid that one, like, bro, he got some shit.
joe rogan
The Zohan?
that mexican ot
Don't mess with the Zohan!
unidentified
Remember when he caught the fish with his ass?
joe rogan
Bro, the Zohan's a great movie.
that mexican ot
Bro, yes.
joe rogan
And you couldn't make that movie today.
He fucked everybody, remember?
When he was a hairdresser, he was fucking all those ladies.
that mexican ot
Holy fuck, the old lady?
joe rogan
Bro, he fucked all those old ladies.
that mexican ot
They would all come to him.
He got that hair done and it came out all fucked up.
joe rogan
That movie was amazing.
that mexican ot
It was, man.
Homegirl that he was falling in love with, too.
That's another one.
I put her next to Jennifer.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
that mexican ot
She's hot as fuck.
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's exactly who you would hope he'd be.
that mexican ot
That's beautiful.
joe rogan
He's cool as fuck to hang out with.
that mexican ot
That makes me happy.
joe rogan
Real chill, down to earth.
that mexican ot
Does he smoke?
joe rogan
I don't think so.
that mexican ot
Man, I know.
joe rogan
Crazy, right?
He's got a total stoner's sense of humor.
that mexican ot
Right.
And I've always been a fan of Will Ferrell, too.
And I've always told myself, like, if there's anybody I'd smoke with, it'd be Will Ferrell or Adam.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I met Will Ferrell once, too.
I did an audition with him.
Yeah, he was very cool.
Real friendly.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
unidentified
Nice.
b-real
It was before he was Will Ferrell, you know?
joe rogan
It was like, this is the 90s.
that mexican ot
Oh, so now he's like a dickhead.
joe rogan
We're both nothing.
No, I don't think so.
that mexican ot
No?
joe rogan
No, I don't think so.
No indication.
He seems like a nice guy.
that mexican ot
Sick.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he was a very nice guy then.
Real friendly.
I was like, oh shit, that's Will Ferrell.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think he was still on Sounder Live at the time.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
You remember In Living Color?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
Woo!
that mexican ot
Jim Carrey was on that shit, bro!
joe rogan
Oh, man.
That was my shit.
That's another thing you couldn't make today.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
The Boondocks is another one.
I love the Boondocks.
joe rogan
Boondocks is great, man.
Yeah.
that mexican ot
I met Sway.
When I met Sway, I was like, bro, you were on fucking Boondocks.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I forgot about Boondocks.
that mexican ot
That was my shit, bro.
I used to freestyle over that beat all the time as a kid.
The instrumental and the outro.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
that mexican ot
Yup, yup, yup.
I was big on that shit.
joe rogan
What were the first people that you worked with where they started making beats for you?
that mexican ot
My boy T.B. Robbie.
He's my mixkin' out there in San Antonio.
He definitely still is one of my in-house producers.
I love still working with him.
I haven't used a beat for him.
I got a beat for him a few days ago.
The music video I drop tomorrow is his beat.
But lately, I've been fucking with Bankroll, got it.
It's two white boys out in California.
And those two white boys are my pocket.
joe rogan
Yeah?
that mexican ot
They my pocket, for sure.
joe rogan
When you do that, what is the process like?
Do you have the lyrics in your head, written down, and then you have a beat?
that mexican ot
I hear the beat first.
joe rogan
You hear the beat first.
that mexican ot
Yeah, I don't ever really like to write the lyrics first.
I like hearing the beat first.
joe rogan
Really?
that mexican ot
Yeah, and then I just catch it from there.
It's very, very rare I'll have lyrics and then a beat.
I have to have something heavy on my mind.
Other than that, I'm jamming the beats first.
joe rogan
So did they bring you beats and you say, hey, what do you got for me?
that mexican ot
Nah, I just text them and send me beats and they'll send me a fucking fat ass fuckload.
unidentified
Really?
that mexican ot
Yeah, and I know they're good, bro, because I'm picky with beats.
I've had people send me a beat pack of like 50 and I left with one or two.
Bankroll, they'll send me like 10 and I'll leave with eight.
joe rogan
And so what is your process for listening to them?
Do you do it by yourself?
Do you sit there just alone?
How do you do it?
that mexican ot
It's always different.
Sometimes I'm by myself.
Sometimes, you know what I'm saying, my boys are with me.
I like being in my truck when I ride sometimes.
I just be smoking, hotboxing in my truck.
Just catching that vibe, you know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Have you got a good sound system in your car?
that mexican ot
Yeah, I do.
joe rogan
There's something about driving and listening to music that makes it even more fun.
Because you're heightened because you're driving, so you gotta pay attention to everything.
So your brain is kind of fired up.
unidentified
When that music comes on, you're like, oh, shit.
that mexican ot
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
Because you're in a box of it.
that mexican ot
It has nowhere else to go.
I think that's what it is.
joe rogan
I was telling the Black Keys when I would go to the Comedy Store, one of my favorite things to do.
that mexican ot
Please tell them that Mace Knott is an enormous fan.
joe rogan
100% well.
I'm going to see him tonight.
that mexican ot
Thank you.
joe rogan
Or see him tomorrow night.
I listen to Sinister Kid.
Sinister Kid was like the song that I would listen to when I get on the highway.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because it's just like, woo!
Like, I'm living in L.A. I'm driving to the comedy store.
Let's fucking go!
unidentified
That song was on.
that mexican ot
Nah, I dig it.
joe rogan
When you got a good sound system, here it is.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
Dog, they just got it.
joe rogan
Goddamn.
We'll probably get a copyright for that.
unidentified
Probably.
that mexican ot
Cut it out.
joe rogan
Just cut it out.
Alright, we cut that out.
But that Sinister Kid.
That fucking song rules, man.
Their shit is just all authentic.
They have a new album coming out in April.
Holy shit, is it good.
that mexican ot
Wow.
joe rogan
I got an early copy of it.
They let me listen to it.
Fuck, man.
that mexican ot
Dude, I'd love to send you this new shit I've been working on.
I want to hear it.
Like I said, I want to name it Recess.
joe rogan
I like it.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why recess?
that mexican ot
Because, like, bro, like, man, this is recess to me.
I go out there and just be a kid.
You know what I'm saying?
I think that's why it's still so fun.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, if you can keep it fun, that's the key to life.
that mexican ot
Yeah, correct.
joe rogan
That is the key to life.
that mexican ot
My dad always, because my dad's a trainer.
He's been a trainer his whole life.
I ain't gonna lie.
He knows a lot, but there's one thing that motherfucker knows.
He knows the human body.
And I lost it.
Where was I going?
joe rogan
Your dad was a trainer.
that mexican ot
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, my fault, my fault.
joe rogan
I had a Ray Kurzweil flashback right there.
that mexican ot
He would always tell people, like, man, like, working out ain't even working out.
Like, you stop working out one day when you just stop going to recess.
You know what I'm saying?
I think that's another reason why I really like the word recess for the project.
My dad even preached that shit.
Just be a kid.
That's all working out is.
At the playground, having fun.
joe rogan
They found out that's the best way people learn things.
that mexican ot
It's working out?
joe rogan
It's playing.
that mexican ot
Oh, playing.
I completely agree.
It's a pure moment.
You're just having fun.
joe rogan
I was watching this video where this guy was breaking down martial arts development and learning how to strike.
And he was like, the most important thing is to keep it playful.
And if you can keep it playful, you'll develop skills much quicker than if you're tense.
Like if it's like scary and work and everything like that, it's harder To develop those really finely honed skills.
And the best way to develop them is to learn how to play.
So like the Gracies, the Jiu Jitsu guys, they were always, that was their thing.
They would always say, keep it playful.
Keep it playful.
When you roll, don't dance up!
Don't try to kill each other.
Just keep it playful.
Keep it playful.
And then you'll develop skills.
And if you have to do it quickly, you'll know how to do it.
that mexican ot
Yeah, correct.
joe rogan
Like, if you really are in a real struggle, a real fight, you'll know how to do it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But you don't have to do that every day.
Keep it playful.
Learn the moves.
Learn the positions.
Just get it in your head that it's fun.
And there's a mindset, a play mindset, when you're really enjoying it, where you get better at things.
that mexican ot
Mm-hmm.
My dad had a buddy.
He was a jiu-jitsu artist.
Or fighter.
I don't know if you'd call it artist.
joe rogan
You're a martial artist, yeah.
that mexican ot
And, uh, bro...
Seeing him, he was a white boy, and seeing him do the way I seen him do these dudes up, man, that shit's humbling.
That's some bad motherfucker.
There's levels of this shit is what I'm saying.
You know what I'm saying?
It's different when you, of course, it's easy to have control.
Not easy, but some people make it look easy having control of their own body.
But to be able to have control of somebody else's body too, you know what I'm saying?
It's like, damn, bro.
I've seen this motherfuckin' ragdoll people, yo.
He'll move them with his leg.
He'll grab them by their shirt right here and move them with his right leg.
It's just crazy, bro.
I like that shit, though, man.
joe rogan
Learning how to manipulate a human body is a very underrated skill.
It's a good thing to know.
that mexican ot
Yeah, for sure.
It's a scary thing to know once you know how to do it.
joe rogan
It's scary when you've experienced it on you and you don't know how to do it.
That was a wake-up call for me when I first started doing jiu-jitsu.
unidentified
Really?
that mexican ot
I thought I knew how to fight.
Fucked up!
joe rogan
Oh my god, I got fucked up.
I got fucked up over and over and over again.
It was so humbling.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
It was so humbling.
I had a buddy named Emeril.
Rest in peace, Emeril.
Man, that's crazy.
He went to Little Rock, Arkansas and he went to a gym over there and he said the first day he went in there and he was just fucking throwing up and he said, He said as soon as he threw up, everybody in the gym was like, yeah!
Fucking get him!
You know what I'm saying?
He was like, bro, there's some fucking animals in there, you know?
joe rogan
They went through it already, yeah.
that mexican ot
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
Unusual people.
If you go to a gym and, you know, you meet a dude, he's a black belt, he's been doing jiu-jitsu for 12 years, that's a bad motherfucker.
That dude's put in some numbers.
that mexican ot
My buddy, Drody, he's always saying he knows jujitsu and taekwondo.
Because his son, he put his kids in taekwondo.
So he went to class one day for one week.
And after that, he was like, one day I was like, man, I don't know where my guns at.
I didn't find my gun because I don't go nowhere without my gun.
I'm in church with my gun.
And he was like, man, don't worry.
I know taekwondo.
Master Lee taught me some shit today.
I'm like, shut the fuck up.
Of course, he don't know shit, but he's just being funny.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm like, nah, fuck that shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's always better to have a gun than that.
that mexican ot
And he's a tall, lanky ass man.
He tall for no reason.
Tall for no reason.
I'm talking about, bro.
He walking, you just look at his legs and they just look flimsy.
Like, Jordan, you out of there.
Tall for no reason.
If I was him, bro, if I was as tall as him, I'd be an animal.
Animal.
It would make me want to be a beast, you know?
Remember I was telling you about February?
joe rogan
Uh-huh.
that mexican ot
And, you know, he was talking about my mama.
He's gay.
But, like, bro, 6'5", and just like, you see him, you think he a solid-ass gangster.
joe rogan
I bet he worked out that gym I worked out.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
Shout out Fatboy, man.
He a bad motherfucker.
Yeah.
No, but yeah.
I feel like a lot of gay people, I've seen some gay people put some hands on some people.
joe rogan
Of course, they're men.
unidentified
Yeah.
that mexican ot
Well, yeah, but besides that, I feel like they were bullied, you know what I'm saying?
So like they had to like, bitch, I'm gonna fuck you up mentality.
You know?
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't want to get fucked up by a dude with a lisp.
Just put it on you.
Like this motherfucker.
unidentified
You think he pissed on you?
that mexican ot
He talking to you with a lisp.
Fucking, I always thought it was funny whenever Canelo learned English, she learned English and became a menace.
joe rogan
Yeah.
that mexican ot
At first he was like, you know, I'm gonna punch him, and I ain't gonna punch him again.
Now he's like, fuck that motherfucker, fuck that bitch.
You know, I'm like, damn, bro, he's a savage, you know?
He's a wild dude.
Yeah, even Sean O'Malley, I just watched that fight with him.
I'm like, bro, there's some bad motherfuckers on earth.
joe rogan
There are some bad motherfuckers on earth.
that mexican ot
I feel like they need to be in the military.
joe rogan
It's different.
Those are bad motherfuckers too, but it's a different world.
Different type of being a bad motherfucker.
There's one thing to do it for a sport.
It's a dangerous sport.
There's another thing to do it in defense of your country, and that is a lot more intense.
that mexican ot
Yeah, no, I definitely agree.
But, I mean, shit.
I feel like...
I've seen some motherfuckers in the military, and I've seen them cry.
I'm like, what the fuck are you doing?
This dude just yelled at you, and you tripping on that.
joe rogan
Just because they're emotional.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
They want to do well.
Those are the kind of guys you wanted to do well so much.
Nah.
So you're saying they were crying because they were broken down?
that mexican ot
Yeah, just pusses.
Like, bro, fucking me.
You know what I'm saying?
That's a nut saying, bro.
Like, don't get it twisted.
Like, what you're saying, I completely agree.
Then there's some people and it's like, why are you on infantry?
joe rogan
Well, they probably did it because they thought they wanted something to toughen them up.
There's a lot of people like that.
They feel like they don't have any discipline.
They'll just join the military.
I felt like that when I was 18. Really?
Yeah, when I was 18, the Army had a Taekwondo team.
And I was going to join the Army Taekwondo team.
Because I wanted to be able to train.
And in the Army, they had like a legitimate organized team that they would send to tournaments.
There was this dude, Clay Barber.
He fought for the U.S. Army team.
And I remember he was like real good.
Like one of the top guys in the country.
that mexican ot
Sick.
joe rogan
And I wanted to be like him.
And I was like, oh, this dude's in the Army.
Maybe I'll join the Army.
And then I talked to a recruiter.
I'm like, get the fuck out of here.
What are you talking about?
And also, just because you're a state champion or won the U.S. Open, whatever I had won at the time, I'd won a bunch of tournaments.
There was no guarantee that they were going to have me compete for the Army's team.
And then they might just fucking send me to Iraq.
I didn't know where I was going.
And I was like, this is not, I don't like this.
that mexican ot
Can you help me find this book?
I believe it's called Through the Barbed Wire.
It's about this dude.
He's from Belgium.
And as a kid, he had heart problems, he had asthma, all this stuff that would just hold him back for everything, like being able to just go outside and have fun.
And when he was like seven, eight years old, it just all disappeared.
And he went into taekwondo or karate or something.
Eventually that one thing led to another and he's in fucking Bangkok fighting underground fighters and bro there was this there was it's and it's him it's a book about his life and he's fighting this dude taller than him and he says he was like he didn't know how to dominate this man he's just a giant ass motherfucker he said he jumped up on the back of him fucking bit him on the side of his neck and he said he fucking shoved his hand in that hole where he bit and fucking ripped his neck Jesus Christ yeah underground Bangkok fight Belgium dude probably like 5'8".
joe rogan
There's a bunch of people that are doing that shit now, and you can find videos of it online.
They're having these street fights where they'll pay people more money if you bite a chunk off the dude.
So dudes are biting chunks off dudes' ears and faces and shit.
that mexican ot
Yeah, but this was then, you know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
No, I'm saying it's still going on.
that mexican ot
Yeah, but I think he did this to survive.
This wasn't about money.
Like, he had to win the fight, you know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
that mexican ot
Yeah, I do believe that though.
I believe that there's places like, I feel like there's places out right now that they just snatch people up and then they'll put them.
You ever seen the movie Hostel?
joe rogan
I think that's real.
Oh, that's real.
Yeah.
We were talking about what they used to do.
It's called Shanghai and someone.
They used to take people and they would drug them and then they'd wake up on a boat and you had to go to work.
They would send you off to China.
They'd send you off to Shanghai.
unidentified
To work?
joe rogan
Yeah, they would kidnap people and force them into slave labor.
that mexican ot
Holy shit.
joe rogan
They called it Shanghai'd.
You'd get Shanghai'd.
that mexican ot
Listen to this.
This dude was smoking.
He was in a cabin with his buddy.
And Alaska, somewhere where it's snowing.
And him and his buddy were smoking.
He said, this is how, because you know dreams, like when you dream, a dream is probably like eight seconds long at most.
And he said that fucking, he was smoking with his buddy and he hit this weed and he just fell out, boom, hit the floor.
And when he woke up, he was completely soaking wet and inside of a boat.
And these people were like, bro, are you okay?
You good?
Like, you almost drowned.
Are you good?
And he's like, who the fuck are y'all?
I don't know who the fuck y'all are.
You know what I'm saying?
unidentified
Right.
that mexican ot
And he was like, bro, what are you talking about?
I'm your best friend.
This is your wife, all this and that.
He was like, bro, I don't know who the fuck y'all are, like, at all.
And then, you know, two years passed, three years passed, and he's like, I still don't know who the fuck y'all are.
Like, I'm sorry.
And, um...
Five years passed.
Six years passed.
And he's like, I don't know.
I guess this is reality.
You know, fuck it.
Like, I guess I was tripping maybe.
And then eight years passed.
And one day he's just sitting there and he fucking falls out.
And when he falls out, he wakes up and he wakes up in that cabin.
And this homeboy was like, bro, are you good?
You were out for like five seconds.
Lived a whole eight year span in five seconds.
joe rogan
I have a friend of mine on a podcast.
He smoked salvia.
that mexican ot
Wow.
joe rogan
He smoked salvia on a podcast and went into a dark hole and he said he lived a whole nother life.
He lived another life.
He had relationships.
He had jobs.
Did he say he lived underwater?
Did he say he lived underwater?
jamie vernon
Yeah, he was underwater years, right?
that mexican ot
I think.
That's crazy!
joe rogan
And then he came back.
that mexican ot
That's how crazy the mind is.
joe rogan
And you see him coming back.
He's like, what?
What happened?
that mexican ot
And this was right here.
joe rogan
What's that?
jamie vernon
When he was coming back, he was struggling to breathe air because he learned to breathe underwater.
unidentified
What?
What the fuck?
joe rogan
But here's the thing.
Here's the thing that sounds insane.
It sounds insane, but this guy was saying that he was there for like months.
that mexican ot
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Like six months.
That he lived a life.
He had relationships, he had jobs.
that mexican ot
I believe it.
joe rogan
And he just, that was his life for six months, then all of a sudden he came back.
Like, I think...
There might be neighboring dimensions where time moves differently and you can access them through psychedelics.
that mexican ot
Yes.
joe rogan
I think that's possible.
that mexican ot
It's going on right now.
We're just not tapped in.
joe rogan
Exactly.
that mexican ot
I was talking to my buddy Fee about this.
He brought it up.
He was like, it's going on right now.
joe rogan
Yeah.
that mexican ot
You know, like those things you see, we're just not tapped into it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, that's one of the big theories about aliens is that they're here all the time.
unidentified
Is this the book?
that mexican ot
Would you smack an alien down?
No, it's not.
joe rogan
Behind the barbed wire, World War II, U.S. Marine captured in North China, 1941. Nah, no, sir.
Prisoned by the Japanese until 45?
Holy shit.
that mexican ot
That sounds insane, though, but that's not it.
Barbed wire, maybe?
He's a bald dude.
Bald white man.
Shredded.
He's not big enough, just lean and shredded.
joe rogan
He was a Purple Heart, right?
that mexican ot
No, not Purple Heart.
He was in the Europe military.
Don't they?
Purple sleeves or something like that.
He was something, man.
Fuck.
There was a story where he dressed up like a woman.
Because, you know, he's in the military.
So they're all fucking these hoes out there in these lands and shit, you know?
And he said that his boy was at this club, went to the restroom with one of the whores.
And he said he's in there forever.
He's like, man, I'm going to check on my boy.
You know what I'm saying?
And fucking he goes in there and he's like, hey, y'all good?
Don't hear nothing.
He sees a girl and he said he just felt like something was off.
And he said he fucking kicked that door and started beating the shit out the bitch because she had a fucking knife to his balls and was like robbing him.
Like, bitch, I'm finna fucking...
unidentified
Oh, wow.
that mexican ot
You know what I'm saying?
Went in there and beat the shit out the bitch, you know?
There was another story.
He fucking...
joe rogan
He was dressed like a woman?
So he dressed like a woman to get into the woman's side?
that mexican ot
No, no, no, no.
I accidentally switched stories.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
that mexican ot
But this is another one.
He dressed up as a woman.
He went to go save this other woman.
And like fucking dressed up as a woman to get into this place and like...
Fucking went apeshit.
It's been so long since I read the book, you know what I'm saying?
But we gotta find it, bro.
Gotta find it.
He studied...
I forgot what fighting style he trained in, but he fought like 20 people at once, broken ribs, I think a broken wrist, and he still had to fight all these dudes until it was up, you know?
And he went through fucking hell and back to...
joe rogan
All dressed like a woman.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
Well, yeah, this is other shit, but he dressed up as a woman to go save this other bitch.
joe rogan
Wow.
that mexican ot
Yeah, he did some shit, bro.
Like real life superhero shit.
Like main character shit.
joe rogan
So what was the name of it?
Something barbed wire?
that mexican ot
Something barbed wire.
Something with wire.
Through the wire, barbed wire.
Something, man.
joe rogan
Do you remember his name?
that mexican ot
I don't.
My dad brought the book home.
I read it like a motherfucker.
It was about that thick.
It wasn't too crazy.
Bad motherfucker.
joe rogan
There's some different humans out there.
that mexican ot
Bro, I'm talking about really built to last.
joe rogan
Yeah, built to last.
People, they're just wired different.
And they get more wired different through training.
that mexican ot
I be hearing Tyson talk about all those warriors that he studied.
Bro, some of them, they fell into my algorithm and I just started learning about them.
Yeah, there's some bad motherfuckers.
I think you were talking to a dude that he fucking had blades and shoved them in his arm or some shit like that.
Weren't you talking about a dude that said that?
joe rogan
He shoved him in his arms.
that mexican ot
Like he had blades in his arms and like he fucking came back and killed everybody.
Like they cut his arms off and killed his family or some shit like that.
joe rogan
Oh, I don't know about that.
What is that?
Do you know what we're talking about?
jamie vernon
It doesn't sound unfamiliar, but it might have been a movie or something.
joe rogan
I don't know.
that mexican ot
Nah, this dude was a real warrior.
Or at least that's what y'all were talking about.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Who was it?
Was it the Chris Williamson one?
that mexican ot
I don't know.
Y'all were talking about warriors, though.
I don't know.
joe rogan
I don't know either.
jamie vernon
Yeah, I remember this, sort of.
I remember pulling it up.
joe rogan
He replaced his arm with a sword?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I gotta figure it out.
that mexican ot
Both of them.
It cut both of his hands off.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
that mexican ot
Yeah, he looked like Baraka.
jamie vernon
Yep, here we go.
that mexican ot
Oh, you got it?
jamie vernon
I found the clip of us talking about it.
joe rogan
Okay.
jamie vernon
Let me see here.
joe rogan
Oh, Corey Sanhagen.
unidentified
One of the warriors was this Aztec dude.
He got captured by the other team.
They cut off his hands to try to make him miserable for his entire life.
They sent him back to his camp.
This guy like glues on knives onto his hands and then just commits the rest of his life to just like burn all of these people that like did that.
joe rogan
According to legend, after his right hand was cut off by the Spanish, Galvarino boldly held up his left hand offering up for his captives to amputate.
unidentified
He displayed no emotion as it was cut off and his facial features recorded no pain.
And because that's like the type of dude that I was trying to like become sometimes.
jamie vernon
Yeah, that's crazy.
that mexican ot
That's what I feel like I'm watching you on right now.
joe rogan
Well, you are.
that mexican ot
Yeah, it's just crazy.
joe rogan
But there's no TV. Right.
That's Corey Sanhagen.
He's a bad motherfucker himself.
He's one of the best UFC fighters.
He's a bantamweight top contender.
Sick.
that mexican ot
Bro, Benavidez, I've been watching him a lot.
joe rogan
Damn, Benavidez.
that mexican ot
Oh my goodness.
joe rogan
It's Canelo and Benavidez gonna get together.
that mexican ot
I don't know, because I don't have too much knowledge of it.
From what I've been hearing, he been running.
Canelo been running.
joe rogan
He's got to fight Benavidez.
that mexican ot
Yeah, but I don't think he want to fuck his record up.
joe rogan
Benavidez is a body snatcher.
that mexican ot
Bro.
joe rogan
That motherfucker's a body snatcher.
that mexican ot
Bro, like, nah.
joe rogan
He takes souls.
unidentified
Yeah, nah.
joe rogan
He takes souls.
that mexican ot
Different, bro.
joe rogan
He's different.
that mexican ot
And he missing.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a bad dude.
that mexican ot
I love that shit, bro.
He's a bad dude.
joe rogan
He's a bad dude and he's relentless.
That motherfucker's relentless.
You know, like his last fight.
Who did he fight in his last fight?
that mexican ot
Even Tyson was saying he's an animal.
joe rogan
Didn't he fight Charlo?
He fought one of the Charlo brothers, right?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Just beat him down, man.
He's an animal.
He's something special.
There's dudes that come along with what David Goggins likes to say, uncommon amongst uncommon men.
That's Benavidez.
He has to fight Canelo.
That would be a trap.
And they can't wait, like Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao did, they can't wait until they're older.
They have to fight in the prime, and now's the time.
And I know Canelo has one more fight schedule.
He's got a fight schedule right now, and people are mad at him because of the May 4th fight.
I mean, that is the one, right?
Mexican Independence Day.
You're going to fight on that weekend?
Bro, you're supposed to be fighting Benavidez.
That's the fight.
That's the fight everybody wants to see.
that mexican ot
He running.
I think that's what I've been hearing lately.
joe rogan
Demetrius Andrade.
That's who it was.
That's right.
That's right.
that mexican ot
Beat the dog shit out of his ass.
joe rogan
That's right.
Canelo fought one of the Charlotte brothers.
That's right.
I'm sorry.
Yeah.
And Demetrius Andrade is a bad motherfucker.
And he was doing really well in the beginning of that fight.
Because...
He's a real slick boxer, great mover, but God damn.
that mexican ot
Harlan?
Kevin Harlan?
joe rogan
Kevin Harlan's a bad man too.
Did you see that fight with Michael Venom Page this weekend though?
that mexican ot
No, but I think I was at a show, but he walked out to my music.
joe rogan
Oh, did he really?
that mexican ot
Yeah, he's been walking out to Johnny Dango, 20299 and shit.
unidentified
Oh, nice!
that mexican ot
And then I met him at the closet and he was cool.
He's very cool.
joe rogan
He's been on the podcast before.
that mexican ot
I want to fuck with Brandon.
I met Brandon Moreno at a fucking...
joe rogan
Oh, he's great.
that mexican ot
This is what made me love him.
Besides him being Mexican.
But when I saw how small he was, I was like, what the fuck?
unidentified
He fights 125. And he will fuck anybody up in this airport right now.
that mexican ot
Like, what?
That shit was crazy to me.
I was like, bro, I wanted to bow to him.
You know what I'm saying?
I was like, bro, I respect you.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker.
that mexican ot
Shout out Brandon Moreno, man.
joe rogan
That weight class is stacked, man.
Goddamn, that weight class.
125 is filled with assassins.
unidentified
Bro, because they just mean looking.
joe rogan
He's a cool dude, too.
Real fucking friendly dude.
Real nice guy.
that mexican ot
Those are the killers though, you know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
He had some fucking incredible wars with Davidson Figueredo, the guy who beat for the title.
That division is just filled with super talented guys.
that mexican ot
Bro, so from when UFC started and started getting big to now, It's sick, right?
joe rogan
There's no comparison.
There's no sport like it where if you go to 1993 and watch it and to 2024 and watch it, it's completely different.
They're so much better.
Everyone's so much better.
that mexican ot
Oh yeah, because it's all mastered now at this point.
joe rogan
Yeah, the sport's complete.
There's so many different styles and so many different approaches.
Even amongst the champions, there's so many different practitioners.
that mexican ot
Correct.
joe rogan
Some guys are just strikers, some guys are just grapplers.
They all know how to do everything, but they have styles and specials.
that mexican ot
I used to watch the grappling fights and be like, this is bullshit.
But then when I fucking saw it in person, and I have a buddy that does it, I was like, oh yeah, nah, these are bad motherfuckers too.
joe rogan
Well, if you tried it yourself...
If you tried jujitsu yourself...
that mexican ot
No, I got fucked up.
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah.
I got fucking humbled.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Quick.
that mexican ot
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
But if you learn how to do it, then you really appreciate it because then you understand how difficult it is to do what they're doing.
unidentified
Yeah.
Oh, understanding.
joe rogan
And you also see the paths.
You see, like, is he going to go, oh, he went for it.
Oh, shit.
Oh, look at that.
Okay, he's got secured this.
He's got that.
Oh, he moved him out.
Oh, you know, like you see the transitions and all the different chess moves that they're playing.
that mexican ot
Yeah, correct.
Correct.
joe rogan
Yeah.
that mexican ot
You remind me when you said the understanding.
That's what I wanted to say earlier, but we ended up talking about something else.
The music shit, I just know of music.
I don't know how to read music.
I don't even know how to count bars.
You know what I'm saying?
I just know of it.
Right.
Imagine if I fully understood it.
joe rogan
Why don't you?
that mexican ot
I'm going to eventually.
You know what I'm saying?
It's just not my time right now.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm doing what I'm doing, enjoying it.
I definitely want to elevate though.
When I understood that, I was like, bro, I just know of it.
joe rogan
Right.
that mexican ot
Like, I want to know this shit.
joe rogan
Right.
that mexican ot
Oh, bro, I'm going to be an animal.
joe rogan
Do you think you're ever going to get to a point where you create your own beats?
that mexican ot
Yeah, for sure.
Because I used to do that as a kid.
I used to be in the studio with my Uncle Moon already just fucking around.
joe rogan
That would be wild.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
Your shit, your beats.
that mexican ot
Zero did that.
That's why...
Bro...
Fuck, zero, zero.
They don't be giving him his flowers, bro.
Like, not only was he making great music and harmonizing with dope-ass raw lyrics, he was making his beats.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, and he was really delivering that shit, bro.
He had a swagger to him.
And, like, nobody wanted to fuck with him.
And that's why it make him even more of a beast.
Because, like, when nobody wanted to fuck with him, they had no choice but to fuck with him.
unidentified
Right.
that mexican ot
It was so in their face.
It was so good.
joe rogan
It became undeniable.
that mexican ot
Exactly.
And it was so good that if you didn't like it, you were a dry-ass hater.
unidentified
Mmm.
that mexican ot
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Yeah.
that mexican ot
Like, you're just dry-hating because, like, you know that shit good.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Those are the saddest people.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
A dry hater.
that mexican ot
Bro, come on, bro.
unidentified
Come on.
that mexican ot
Like, just dry-ass hating.
I fuck with you, bro.
Like, because he was making his beats.
He was doing all that shit, bro.
unidentified
Yeah.
It's pretty good.
jamie vernon
It's a good song.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Nice.
that mexican ot
Shout out to Zero.
Hold on, hold on.
jamie vernon
Not him?
that mexican ot
No, no, no, no.
joe rogan
This is more than one Zero?
that mexican ot
I'm talking about ZRO. ZRO. I'm talking about a Texas legend.
Like, when you think of Texas rappers, he's definitely on the Mount Rushmore.
joe rogan
That's gotta be weird with...
Oh, Z-R-O, there it is.
that mexican ot
He got meth, crack, heroin.
Those are all his projects.
joe rogan
He's got a song called Meth?
that mexican ot
No, these are projects, albums.
joe rogan
Oh, that's the album.
The album's meth.
that mexican ot
The next album is crack.
The other one's heroin.
The other one's cocaine.
joe rogan
Wow.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
And, bro, like...
Like, he's Texas' Tupac.
People be tripping when I say I think he better than Pac, but like, Pac, yeah, of course, Pac, he fucking, he impacted.
joe rogan
Let's pause this so I can hear some of it.
Pause right here.
that mexican ot
Nah, hold on.
This ain't the one to play.
Which one to play?
Play In My City.
Man, there's so many, bro.
There's just too many.
In My City's a good one.
I want you to hear him sing and rap.
joe rogan
That's his.
that mexican ot
They can't tell me Pac was better than Zero.
Nobody can tell me Pac was better than Zero.
joe rogan
I just added that to my playlist.
that mexican ot
Thank you, yeah.
And it gets better.
It gets better.
I just pulled this one out my ass because that's one of my favorite ones by Impersonally.
But bro, nah, it gets better.
He got a song called Mo City Dawn and it was originally done by Raheem in New York.
But I didn't even know that.
I thought this was a Zero song.
joe rogan
Raheem Eric being Raheem?
that mexican ot
Yes.
And he fucking...
Slow out and bang it.
So Slab, you know what Slabs are, correct?
You're from Texas.
joe rogan
Yes.
that mexican ot
Right?
You're from Texas?
joe rogan
No.
I live here.
that mexican ot
Where are you from?
joe rogan
Well, I was born in New Jersey.
that mexican ot
No shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I lived in California.
I lived everywhere.
I lived in Florida.
that mexican ot
I lived in Boston.
joe rogan
But Texas is it for you.
Yeah.
This is where I'm staying.
that mexican ot
You seem like a tasteous boy to me.
joe rogan
Thank you.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
So anyways, look.
Bro, what was I saying?
joe rogan
Zero.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
Nah.
joe rogan
Slabs.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
Slabs.
Slow, loud, and banging.
joe rogan
Yeah.
that mexican ot
That's what S-L-A-B stands for.
And like, bro...
We'd be at LAN parties in the country, mid-fight, people fighting.
And that song come on, bro, white boys with mullets, the black boys, the Mexicans, everybody singing.
Mid-fight, we stop fighting, we jamming.
joe rogan
Really?
that mexican ot
Like, that's what Zero do to us.
joe rogan
Wow.
that mexican ot
Real life.
joe rogan
It's funny how some dudes like that, they just don't get out into the mainstream for some reason.
People don't know.
that mexican ot
He don't need to be mainstream.
He's ours.
unidentified
Ooh.
that mexican ot
We're selfish with that shit.
You know what I'm saying?
There's some people that don't...
I was jamming that shit in New York, and some people are like, oh my God, what is this?
I'm like, it blows my mind.
Y'all don't know, but that's okay.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm okay with being selfish with Zero, because he a Texas legend.
Like I said, he's on the Mount Rushmore for us.
joe rogan
Yeah?
that mexican ot
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
What's the Texas Mount Rushmore?
You gotta have the Ghetto Boys in there.
that mexican ot
We're gonna put Scarface on there out of the Ghetto Boys.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
that mexican ot
I don't think you can put the full Scarface.
I mean, the full Ghetto Boys, though.
That'd be a little unfair.
joe rogan
Unfair?
that mexican ot
I think so.
They were all bad motherfuckers, though.
Definitely.
Especially Willie D, because he was backing that shit up.
You know what I'm saying?
But, like, Scarface had the voice.
He was cool at telling stories.
Bushwick just had a look to him, and he was also good at it.
But even then, like, I didn't...
You know, you said Willie D wrote that shit for him.
joe rogan
Yeah.
that mexican ot
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Willie D wrote a lot of shit.
that mexican ot
That's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
He wrote most of the Ghetto Boys shit.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
Yeah, see what I'm saying, bro?
Like, I don't think you can put Bush on there.
I respect Bush.
Like, shit, I need my dog after him.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, I love Bush, you know?
But I would definitely say Scar even got Willie just because he got that voice.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Yeah.
that mexican ot
Keith, wasn't there a fourth member to the Ghetto Boys, right?
Wasn't his name Keith?
Some shit like that?
I don't know.
joe rogan
Jamie will find it.
that mexican ot
Dude, we still haven't found that book?
Fuck, that's gonna bother the fuck out of me, bro.
Like, he's really a bad motherfucker.
joe rogan
Someone will find it.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
Someone will find it.
They'll reach out.
that mexican ot
He's a bad motherfucker, bro.
I think they made a movie about his life, too, if I'm not mistaken.
Because I remember reading, like, what is it called?
On the end of the book?
On the autobiography or whatever?
Like, they said something about a movie.
joe rogan
Mmm.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, there's a lot of movies that never get made.
They're in the process of getting made and it never happens.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
Zero, though, bro.
Back to Zero, man.
He's just a champion, bro.
And people would be like, Pac, well, he got that pain.
Bro, nah.
Didn't nobody go through pain the way Zero went through it.
Losing his mama.
Nobody wanted to fuck with him.
Nobody wanted to hand him the weed.
You know what I'm saying?
Everybody loved Pac because he was a movie star.
He was a role model.
Zero was really gutter, raw, uncut.
You know what I'm saying?
From the streets.
Nobody want to fuck with them.
You know what I'm saying?
People are hating on them.
You know what I'm saying?
I love it because he made the people have no choice but to love and respect his music at one point because it was just so in their face.
You know what I'm saying?
And me being Mexican, I'm playing a black predominant game.
So I had to put it in their face.
Same thing with Paul.
He white, having to put it in their face.
So when you come up like that, it's more respectable.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
It's undeniable.
that mexican ot
Correct.
Like I said, Pac, he influenced the world, which is cool, but he wasn't making better music than Zero, in my personal opinion.
joe rogan
Well, you're allowed to have your opinion.
that mexican ot
Yeah, correct.
And it might also be just because I'm from Texas.
That's what I grew up on.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
If you were growing up with Pac, you would have a different opinion.
that mexican ot
You see what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Yeah, of course.
that mexican ot
But...
I personally feel like...
Because he was singing.
He was making music.
You know what I'm saying?
Pac was rapping and then he'd have a sample come and sing.
You know what I'm saying?
And he wasn't making no beats.
Zero was putting that shit together.
I know what you're saying.
I like that shit.
joe rogan
Have you listened to Kanye's new shit?
that mexican ot
Nah, but to be honest, to be fair though, I haven't been listening to anything new.
I've been like so tonal vision in my own shit.
If I'm jamming anything, it's not rap.
Like I'm jamming some Three Day Grace or some fucking Smack God or something like that.
joe rogan
Just to mix it up in your head?
that mexican ot
Yeah, or country.
I don't want to listen to rap.
I'm already surrounded by it so much.
joe rogan
Right, that makes sense.
that mexican ot
And then not only that, I really jam like rock and country.
I just happen to be good at rapping, you know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
So most of the time when you're in your car, rapping country?
Rocking country.
that mexican ot
I don't know why, bro.
I've never dressed emo, never had an emo phase or nothing.
I just love that music.
joe rogan
That's me with the 60s rock.
Like Hendrix.
that mexican ot
Yeah, I love Hendrix.
joe rogan
That's how I named this podcast.
The Joe Rogan Experience.
that mexican ot
The Joe Rogan experience.
I even have the alien picking up the cow right there.
joe rogan
You do?
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
What do you think about aliens?
What do you think is going on with all that?
that mexican ot
I think they're in the water.
I think space is a distraction.
I think NASA maybe used to be in the water and they seen something that scared the living shit out of them and they never wanted to go back.
I don't know.
We were talking to your homeboy outside.
I love the water.
I think it's one of the most beautiful places ever.
But if they threw me in the water, I would die of heart failure before I died from an animal in there.
One of my biggest fears.
But it's also something I've always wanted to do.
I think it's beautiful.
But it's not our jungle.
joe rogan
Right.
No, you're so vulnerable.
that mexican ot
Yeah, like, get the fuck out of here, bro.
You're so vulnerable.
joe rogan
You're not even like...
I mean, you are as vulnerable as a shark is on land.
that mexican ot
Correct.
joe rogan
You can walk right up to a shark on land and go, bitch!
that mexican ot
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
You can't do a thing.
that mexican ot
That shark fucking, with that jet speed coming...
He's not even gonna eat you, he's just gonna fucking run into you and knock your ass out.
joe rogan
Or just take your legs.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just take your legs away from you like that.
that mexican ot
Yeah, some people be trying to be like, no, scary movies made them like that.
Yeah, no, those things are vicious.
I don't give a fuck what you're saying.
joe rogan
There's just not a lot of people in the water.
That's all it is.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
The number of people in the water is relatively small compared to the overall population.
That's why they're not killing that many people.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
They kill somebody in Hawaii once a year.
that mexican ot
No shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
There's a guy I just got out the other day.
that mexican ot
The way you go hunting, do you like going fishing like that?
Like, would you go deep sea fishing?
joe rogan
Yeah, I go deep sea fishing.
that mexican ot
Damn, I'm always one of those.
So on my bucket list, I want to catch a swordfish.
joe rogan
Yeah?
that mexican ot
Yes.
I'm talking about I want to fight for that.
I want to almost fall out the boat.
You know?
Like, I really want to fight.
I want to earn that shit.
Fucking swordfish.
I think that'd be badass.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's a delicious fish, too.
That's a good one to catch.
You eat that fucker.
You're eating that fucker for a year.
that mexican ot
Yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah.
that mexican ot
Do you like boots?
joe rogan
I love boots.
that mexican ot
Pericu fish.
joe rogan
Yeah?
that mexican ot
It's my favorite.
joe rogan
Yeah?
that mexican ot
Yeah, definitely.
It's definitely my go-to.
joe rogan
For the skin?
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah?
that mexican ot
Yeah, the pericu.
joe rogan
That does look badass.
I've seen some dude here had one.
One of the guests had a pair of fish boots on.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
I was like, those are fish?
that mexican ot
Yep.
Did it look kind of like pineapple?
joe rogan
Yeah, like where the scales were.
Yeah.
That's what it is?
that mexican ot
It's paracu fish.
joe rogan
Wow.
that mexican ot
I like alligator.
I like eel.
joe rogan
There it is.
that mexican ot
Yep.
I got both of those two.
You just clicked right there.
Them brown ones and them black and white ones.
joe rogan
What is a paracu?
What does that look like?
that mexican ot
Oh, let's look it up.
I know it's a big-ass fish.
joe rogan
It must be.
that mexican ot
Big-ass fish.
joe rogan
I mean, if the skin's so fucking thick, you can make boots out of it.
That's wild.
that mexican ot
I mean, there's some fish skin boots where, like, it look, like, scaly.
You know?
joe rogan
Oh, look at that fucker.
that mexican ot
Yeah, that's a big motherfucker.
joe rogan
Whoa.
What a crazy-looking fish.
that mexican ot
You can't tell me there's not no damn alien.
joe rogan
Well, that is a dinosaur, sir.
Yeah, bro.
that mexican ot
Oh, bro, Paul tried to tell me he don't believe in dinosaurs.
joe rogan
Oh, that's hilarious.
Paul Wall doesn't believe in dinosaurs?
that mexican ot
I'm like, what the fuck?
joe rogan
What does he think happened?
that mexican ot
He just thinks it was bullshit.
Like, he thinks it was just like a conspiracy theory.
joe rogan
There is a whole conspiracy theory that dinosaurs didn't exist.
that mexican ot
Yeah, I'm sure.
There's a conspiracy theory that fucking Pac is still living in Greece right now.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a little more ridiculous.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
That actually is probably less ridiculous than dinosaurs not being real.
I mean, what the fuck do you think those bones are?
Like, the idea that Pac is dead, it's not likely.
But in a world, like if you decided to fake murder someone and send that person to Spain and they live in Spain, the problem is Pac's too famous.
It doesn't make sense.
Everyone would see him somewhere.
There's tourists everywhere.
They'd be like, that guy looks exactly like Tupac.
They'd take a picture of him and then people would realize Tupac's still alive.
that mexican ot
Go ahead.
joe rogan
So it's physically possible for Tupac to be alive, but extremely, extremely, extremely unlikely.
It's not possible for dinosaurs.
that mexican ot
We still got crocodiles and turtles.
joe rogan
It's not possible for dinosaurs to not be real.
We know too much.
We know what year they died.
With carbon dating, they know which animals lived 250 million years ago, which animals lived 65 million years ago.
They know all that.
that mexican ot
I'm a huge fan of rhinos.
I love rhinos.
And bro, they just, the black rhino, one of them, I forgot which one it was, just went extinct.
joe rogan
Yeah.
that mexican ot
Bro, those motherfuckers survived Pangea, survived fucking lava.
joe rogan
They didn't survive bullets.
that mexican ot
They couldn't survive humans.
joe rogan
No.
People started using them for their horns.
that mexican ot
The horns!
They got to the point people were going out there and shaving the horns down so they wouldn't kill them.
joe rogan
They still do that.
Yeah.
that mexican ot
Like, fuck.
joe rogan
That shit's sick.
The horns are very popular in Asia, and they make like a T out of them.
It's supposed to give you hard-ons.
that mexican ot
No shit.
joe rogan
I mean, it probably doesn't even work.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's probably just some old wives tale.
that mexican ot
Even those rhinos and honey pack, like, what the fuck are y'all doing taking those?
joe rogan
In some countries, there's groups of wealthy people that want to eat endangered animals.
And they get off on it.
They get off on the fact that they'll have dinner and, like, eat a tiger steak.
They get off on the fact that they're eating something that's forbidden.
And one of the things that they like to do is drink rhino tea.
that mexican ot
Rhino tea.
joe rogan
Because it's, like, very expensive, very hard to get.
And they'll sit around and drink rhino tea together.
that mexican ot
Yeah, shark fin, the shark fin soup.
joe rogan
Yeah, shark fin soup.
Yeah.
that mexican ot
That sucks.
joe rogan
Yeah, it sucks for the shark.
that mexican ot
Yeah, it sucks for the whole thing.
You're knocking these motherfuckers off for a fin.
joe rogan
I know.
It's pretty ridiculous.
It's not even that good.
that mexican ot
No?
joe rogan
Yeah, I had a shark fin soup when I was a kid.
It's okay.
I get it.
that mexican ot
Liver is better.
joe rogan
No.
Liver is better for you, probably.
But shark fin soup tastes pretty good.
But it's like, it's not...
The way they do it is disgusting.
They just chop the fucking...
If they ate the fish...
Look, you can eat sharks.
They're good.
They taste good.
Mako shark's delicious.
that mexican ot
But eat the whole thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, but then people started getting crazy because they chopped the fins off sharks.
Like, you should never kill sharks.
Like, then you're gonna have overpopulation of sharks.
that mexican ot
Correct.
joe rogan
Like, there's places where they have an overpopulated population of sharks, and if you kill them, people get mad at you.
Like, listen.
Like in Florida, in Florida Keys, you're allowed to kill bull sharks.
Those motherfuckers are everywhere.
I watch these videos of these dudes fishing in the Florida Keys because they fish off the piers and it's a race to get that fish to a net before a shark kills it.
Because the sharks are everywhere.
There's giant bull sharks and bull sharks are the most aggressive.
And bull sharks live in freshwater.
So bull shark can swim up river and get all the way to fucking Illinois.
They've found bull sharks in the Mississippi River like deep, deep, deep into the country.
that mexican ot
Damn, that's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, you know Jaws?
The movie Jaws?
It was based on something that happened in New Jersey in a freshwater river.
The sharks were in a freshwater river.
So these people would go swimming in the river and these sharks started fucking these people up.
that mexican ot
Holy fuck, that sucks.
joe rogan
In a river?
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, you think, what's in that river?
Trout, salmon, nope, sharks.
Sharks made it all the way up into this fresh water, and bull sharks...
that mexican ot
That's crazy, because I love Lake Travis.
That fucks me up.
joe rogan
Well, I think Lake Travis is okay.
that mexican ot
Yeah?
joe rogan
You would have heard by now.
that mexican ot
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Lake Travis is not what you need to worry about.
that mexican ot
Where are the piranhas at?
Which piranhas at?
joe rogan
Brazil.
Brazil?
Yeah, different parts of South America.
that mexican ot
Bro, fucking anacondas?
Yeah.
Anacondas are, I can't believe those are fucking real.
joe rogan
Did you see the biggest one they just caught?
that mexican ot
No.
joe rogan
They just found one that was 28 feet long.
that mexican ot
Bro.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a video of it.
It's insane.
It's so fucking big.
I have a friend of mine, Paul Rosalie, he lives in the Amazon.
He does a lot of work in preserving the rainforest.
And he hopped on one and he said it was so big he couldn't get his arms around it.
26 feet long.
that mexican ot
It's so big, couldn't get his arms around it.
joe rogan
Couldn't get his arms around it.
Look at the size of this thing.
Look how big this thing is.
that mexican ot
And then homeboy just swimming next to it.
Bitch, you're crazy.
Crazy.
joe rogan
Look how big that fucking thing is.
that mexican ot
That thing was snapping.
unidentified
Fuck you up.
joe rogan
Look at the size of that thing's head.
I mean...
That thing is just steady and everything it wants.
Goats.
that mexican ot
There's a snake.
I mean, there's a snake.
There's a video on YouTube of a fucking snake throwing up a kangaroo.
joe rogan
This guy's out of his fucking mind.
that mexican ot
Yeah, he's like, look at it.
joe rogan
Look at the size of that thing.
that mexican ot
Like it's a pet or something.
joe rogan
Slithering around under that water.
And they can't even breathe water.
They're just under there.
They just use their legs.
They use their body to undulate.
that mexican ot
I'd be scared fucking shitless.
joe rogan
Yeah, they move pretty fucking fast, too.
that mexican ot
The squid, too.
Look at that squid one.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, there's giant squid.
You ever see that squid that they found?
They found it on an oil rig.
They had a deep water camera on an oil rig, and they're like, what the fuck is this?
And it looks like an alien.
It was a new species of squid they'd never seen before that had, like, crab legs.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Look at that thing.
that mexican ot
Yes, I've seen this.
joe rogan
Look at this thing.
What the fuck is that?
that mexican ot
It's an alien.
That's what I'm trying to tell y'all, bro.
They're not in space.
joe rogan
I mean, look at that.
If that was in space, you would 100% think that was an alien.
If we went to another planet and you saw that thing floating around the sky, you'd be like, oh my god, the magnificent alien.
And everyone would want to study it.
that mexican ot
2007?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
What the fuck?
that mexican ot
What the fuck?
joe rogan
Yeah, 2007 they found that thing.
Well, they've always known that giant squids were real, but I don't think they really caught them on camera until like a decade or so ago.
that mexican ot
This was in the Gulf of Mexico?
joe rogan
Oh, look at that one!
that mexican ot
That's where I'm from.
joe rogan
Magna-pena squid attack.
Look at the fucking length of that thing.
That's insane.
Look how long those tentacles go.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
Are they technically tentacles?
What would you call them?
that mexican ot
And look how thick they are.
joe rogan
Look how long they are.
Look at the bottom one.
Where the fuck is the end of that thing?
Man, how long is that?
that mexican ot
What the fuck is that swimming in the back?
You see that black dot?
joe rogan
Yeah, what is that?
that mexican ot
Nah, bro.
See, that's what I'm saying.
I would die of heart failure.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it could be on the camera.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's on the camera.
that mexican ot
I'd be terrified, bro.
joe rogan
Yeah, you should be terrified.
Look at that thing.
that mexican ot
Do you think they sting?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
They must.
They do something.
I mean, there's got to be some reason that it has these long, long appendages.
that mexican ot
I don't know.
Jellyfish are pretty...
joe rogan
That's true, too.
Oh, wow.
Look at it moving around.
That's how it got out of there.
jamie vernon
Oh, look at them.
It's reaching out towards the camera.
Look how close it got.
unidentified
Wow.
jamie vernon
They touched the bottom of it, it looks like.
joe rogan
Wow.
unidentified
Bro.
that mexican ot
It's an alien.
joe rogan
And by the way, they only know what, like, is in 10%.
that mexican ot
Look how fast it's going.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Crazy how it moves.
jamie vernon
I just guessed they're so long because there's nothing down there, and the second one of those tentacles touches something, that thing is gone.
joe rogan
That's 7,000 feet.
jamie vernon
Yeah, there's nothing there.
joe rogan
7,000 feet below the ocean that thing lives.
unidentified
Amazing.
that mexican ot
Deeper, if you go deeper, you catch...
What's those fish that was on Nemo?
The fucking...
With the light?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Those crazy fish that live in the bottom that actually have illumination.
Yeah.
that mexican ot
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
Some of them go in the dark and shit.
Bioluminescence.
They have bioluminescence.
Their body actually makes light.
that mexican ot
Do you think eventually we'll be on Mars living?
unidentified
Yes.
that mexican ot
Like Earth?
joe rogan
If human beings don't kill themselves, eventually we'll figure out how to get to Mars and set up a colony.
Yeah, I think there's probably life on Mars at one point in time.
that mexican ot
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, they think Mars had a stable atmosphere and Mars had water.
that mexican ot
Do you think that the moon landing was real?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I hope it's not.
Really?
Yeah.
It's more exciting if it was fake.
that mexican ot
Yeah, correct.
joe rogan
It's more exciting to know that something so big could be faked and that that hoax could last for so long.
that mexican ot
Correct.
joe rogan
Until they go back.
that mexican ot
Dude, I bet people would be fucked.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It would be really rough if we found out that the moon landing was fake.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And there's a lot of people that think it's fake, including a lot of people that have studied it.
And then there's a lot of people that think it's real, and a lot of people that know a lot about it.
that mexican ot
The cameraman had to have been the first person, not Neil Wright.
joe rogan
Well, I think they probably had a camera supposedly set up to capture Neil climbing out of the lunar rover, the lunar lander.
But the fun part is that they faked it.
The fun theory is that there was no way to get through the Van Allen radiation belts and that we were in a war with Russia, a cold war with Russia, to who could get to the moon first, and that we faked it.
That's a fun way to say it.
that mexican ot
What does news stand for?
Isn't news a...
joe rogan
News?
The word news?
that mexican ot
Yes, sir.
Isn't that an acronym?
joe rogan
What does it stand for?
that mexican ot
National Entertainment...
unidentified
I know it's entertainment.
that mexican ot
Something's entertainment.
Why do I keep seeing a dude right there with no clothes on?
joe rogan
Oh, that's Elon Musk.
That's this dude, Beeple.
He's a digital artist.
He created this NFT, and it also has a digital art.
It's like GigaChad.
It's like super swole.
Elon Musk wants AI, allows you to edit your body.
that mexican ot
I seen this AI of Elon Musk, and he was like, notable events, weather, and sports.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
jamie vernon
I guess.
joe rogan
Hmm.
jamie vernon
Some people don't agree with that, too.
joe rogan
Oh, they don't agree?
jamie vernon
I mean, there's...
joe rogan
Okay, the World News has been claimed to be an acronym of the four cardinal directions, North, East, West, and South.
However, the old spelling of the words varied from NUIS, N-E-W-I-S, N-E-V-I-S, N-E-U-S. Huh.
So what's the origin of the word, then?
It's not an acronym.
Okay, people think news is an acronym, but it's not.
Oh, okay.
It makes sense.
It's like, what's new?
What's new?
What's going on that's new?
What does news mean?
It stands for a notable event.
Oh, it says that.
No, that says it's set.
Verify.
Yeah, no, it's not.
Okay.
jamie vernon
Who should I trust?
joe rogan
Collecting new events as referred to news.
No, I think that's what it is.
I think it's new events.
It's an acronym.
See, so there...
Okay.
No, the claim.
That's Snopes.
Okay.
I think it's just what's new.
that mexican ot
That's crazy.
joe rogan
But people always make acronyms out of things, you know?
that mexican ot
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Harry Eve Blit, the H-E-B. Yeah.
Stupid.
joe rogan
Here, everything's better.
That's what H-E-B's supposed to be.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They just...
People do that all the time with stuff.
They also do it because it makes them sound more intelligent.
that mexican ot
Correct.
joe rogan
You know?
Pretend that this...
Do you know what it really means?
that mexican ot
My cousin Romeo, that motherfucker, he be getting my stupid ass all the time, but he'll make words up, and that motherfucker, like, he just make it sound so real.
joe rogan
He commits.
that mexican ot
Bro, I be like, oh yeah, he be making me think, like, damn, I gotta buy a new part.
You know what I'm saying?
Fucking Romeo, punk ass.
I love that motherfucker, man.
I love my family, bro.
joe rogan
Well, one of the things I really like about you is how much you credit people and how much you talk well about people.
You know, you're really interested in elevating people around you.
that mexican ot
Bro, I've been dicking the dirt, bro.
Like, I know what it's like to be nobody and loved by nobody.
You know what I'm saying?
I wouldn't wish that upon my worst enemy.
You know, like...
It's good being lonely.
I like being lonely.
You know what I'm saying?
Give you time to think.
You can fucking figure shit out.
You know what I'm saying?
People are a headache sometimes too.
But being lonely is...
Fuck that.
You know?
joe rogan
Being lonely forever is the worst place to be.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, we need each other.
That's what we were talking about earlier.
Like, to be the only person who's doing well is crazy.
You don't want to be that.
that mexican ot
Yeah, fuck that.
joe rogan
That's a terrible place to be.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then you're surrounded by people who are mad at you.
Fuck that.
that mexican ot
All I wanna do is just make friends, bro.
Everywhere I go, people love me because I come correct.
You know what I'm saying?
I treat them good.
I make them feel...
People only start hating when they feel excluded.
unidentified
Right.
that mexican ot
You know what I'm saying?
Bro, you give that motherfucker a broom and tell him to go sweep and he gonna be happy.
joe rogan
That is true.
People feel mad when they get excluded.
They feel jealous and bitter and angry.
It's the walled garden, you know?
They see you having a good time over there, and they can't even be a part of that.
Like, fuck that dude.
Fuck those people.
Because they associate their bad feelings of being rejected with you doing something to them.
You know?
that mexican ot
There was just one dude I seen back where I'm from, and I was like, man, what's up, cuz?
He was just like, what's up?
I was like, bitch.
I was like, man, I could really talk some shit to you, but then I'd be down bad because you down bad.
You know what I'm saying?
But like, man, like, I just tried to make him feel good.
I was like, man, I love you, bro.
I don't love that motherfucker at all.
As a matter of fact, I probably have hate towards him, but like, man, I love you, bro.
joe rogan
Well, you might have changed the way he thinks if you said that.
When you said that and said, I love you, maybe had to confront his own shit.
unidentified
Hopefully.
joe rogan
But why was I being a dick to that dude?
that mexican ot
Yeah, like, bro.
joe rogan
He was cool to me.
that mexican ot
Because he's excluded, you know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Right.
that mexican ot
Well, like, bitch, I love you, bro.
Yeah, I don't even hate you.
No, I take it back.
I don't think I hate nobody.
I don't want to hate nobody.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You know, if you can get through your life without hating people, you'd be way better off.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
No, don't get it twisted.
I got grudges.
I got grudges since like the third grade.
That's just me though.
But I don't think I hate nobody.
I don't want to hate nobody.
joe rogan
And you wish you probably didn't have those grudges.
Yeah.
It's a better way to live.
that mexican ot
It is, bro.
joe rogan
If you can get through life with as little hate as possible, that's good.
What's that old expression?
That hate is the only poison that affects the vessel that holds it?
that mexican ot
Yeah, I don't know what you're saying, but I know my bop, whenever my tia Rose passed, we were talking about it, and he was like, she was just always mad.
You know what I'm saying?
Her anger is what drove her to the dirt.
joe rogan
There's a lot of people that live life like that.
It's a defense mechanism at first.
It's how you stay alive.
It's self-preservation.
You stay angry, keep people away from you that are going to hurt you.
Mark Twain once said, anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it's stored than anything on which it's poured.
Perfect.
Never solves any problem or worry.
Rather, it makes us more stressful.
100%.
that mexican ot
100%.
Yeah, I do agree.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you can get through life with no hate, no anger, you'll be way better off.
that mexican ot
My dad always said, you're gonna bitch and moan about it, you're gonna fucking figure it out.
I think that was my words of that, you know?
joe rogan
Same thing, too.
A lot of life is how you address a situation.
You could decide that this situation is the end of your world and life sucks now and life falls apart.
Or you could say, okay, I'll learn from this.
that mexican ot
Yeah, correct.
Correct.
joe rogan
I can get something out of this.
that mexican ot
The glass is half full and half empty.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So where are you at from here?
Where are you going?
that mexican ot
SPI, going to South Padre Island.
That's what I'm saying.
My shows, bro, my fans spoiled me, bro.
It's cool performing at the rodeo.
It's cool doing all this other stuff, but those aren't my shows.
When they're my shows and the crowd's all yours, it hit different.
Like I said, bro, it's a beautiful moment.
They babied me.
joe rogan
That's awesome, man.
that mexican ot
I love my fans.
South Padre Island is going to be crazy.
And there's nothing but Rasa out there.
You know, none but Mexicans out there, they finna go crazy.
Nice.
Bro, they treat me like I'm Michael Jackson, bro.
joe rogan
Well, you're the fucking man right now.
that mexican ot
I'm trying, bro.
joe rogan
It's exciting.
that mexican ot
I'm trying.
joe rogan
It's an exciting time for you.
that mexican ot
And I feel like the beautiful part about my story is, like, bro, I'm finna be here 20 plus years, you know?
I see myself being in this game forever because, like, I just, besides the fact of me just not knowing what else to do, it just comes too natural, you know?
Like, as a fear, I always had a fear.
As a kid, I would eventually just stop having shit to talk about.
In my mind, I'd be like, bro, how do people do it?
They make new songs every day.
I was like 13 years old when I thought that.
unidentified
Isn't that funny?
that mexican ot
Yeah.
I just needed to live more.
joe rogan
But that's every artist's fear.
You run out of things to make, run out of things to say.
that mexican ot
And also sounding repetitive.
That's another thing.
It's always been a fear of mine.
But like I said, it's recess, so I have no walls.
I'll bounce everywhere.
joe rogan
Well, that's a beautiful approach.
How often are you touring?
that mexican ot
Every time I drop a project, I like to tour.
I mean, I'm pretty much touring 24 fucking 7 because I'm always booked, you know what I'm saying?
Even when I'm not having a tour, I got sideshows and shit like that.
But every time I drop a project, I like to have a tour with it.
You know what I'm saying?
Like I just dropped this project March 1st.
It's called Texas Technician.
And I'll probably work it for like a month or two.
And then once they have it all memorized and down, boom, I'm going to jump on the road with them.
Yep, that's it.
So Texas Technician, I wanted to go with the CD just because like...
Like, where I'm from, like, even Riff Raff, being at Sharpstown, you know what I'm saying?
Handing CDs out, like, check me out, check me out, check me out.
Like, that was the hustle of it.
That was the beauty in it, you know what I'm saying?
And I feel like I wish that was still a thing, because, like, I hold pride in handing CDs out, you know what I'm saying?
Like, That shit's cool, bro.
Especially because I don't look like I rap.
Especially it's as good as I do it.
You know what I'm saying?
So when they see me and they're like, man, fuck it.
That one person just gonna happen to put it in.
And then he hears that.
He's like, what the fuck?
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
You don't sound like you look.
that mexican ot
Yeah, exactly.
So it fucks them up, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
that mexican ot
I like that hustle, though.
I guess it's a South Side thing.
I think that's a part of our music culture, though.
You know, Texas.
We're handing CDs out and shit like that.
Because we just hustlers.
joe rogan
Yeah.
that mexican ot
You know, we don't gangbang.
I mean, yeah, there's gangbangers out here and shit, but we're not politicking.
We're not worried about that bullshit.
We want money and pussy.
unidentified
For real.
that mexican ot
And you know what's the best part about it?
It's salt and pepper.
Pussy make money, take money.
It can save lives.
It can take lives.
There's been peace over pussy.
Oh, we'll give you three virgins if you just don't fuck with us no more.
Pussy make the world go around in a lot of ways.
In a fuckload of ways.
joe rogan
That's our main motivation for men.
that mexican ot
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Yeah.
that mexican ot
At least the right ones.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, how many wars have been started over pussy?
that mexican ot
Yeah, no, correct, bro.
Like I said, people die over pussy all the time.
Like, bro, I don't fuck dudes, bitches.
Like, some people do that shit.
I don't do that shit, bro.
And if I have, I'm fucking, I'm sorry.
For real.
I don't do that shit, bro.
That's them hoe-ass shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
that mexican ot
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
There's dudes you can't trust.
that mexican ot
Yeah, like a while ago, this was a long time ago, I went to go fuck on this girl.
And, you know, I seen she had a baby and all this shit.
And I was like, where your man at?
unidentified
And she was like, oh, he in chemo.
that mexican ot
And when I heard Kima, I know where he works off the rip.
Because like in Kima, it's nothing but plants.
You know what I'm saying?
Refinery, chemical, whatever it is.
And I said, damn.
I said, so he drive, wake up in the morning, three, four o'clock in the morning, drive two hours to a job I know he don't want to do, and then drive another two hours home to a bitch that ain't shit?
Hell, I can't even fuck you.
I can't even get my dick hard to fuck you.
I walked out.
Real life, bro.
unidentified
Yeah.
that mexican ot
I say it all like, man, if your man ain't shit and he not providing, I understand why you would want to leave him.
Fuck him, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
that mexican ot
But, man, if you got a motherfucker that's really putting in there work and you being a hoe like that, bitch, you ain't shit.
We don't even have good hoes no more because I respect hoes and good sluts.
You know what I'm saying?
I respect strippers.
I respect any woman that get up and get it.
You know what I'm saying?
They not even good hoes no more.
Can't even find a good hoe, you know what I'm saying?
Like, these bitches are outplayed.
They're all in the internet and all that extra shit.
They're looking at something, they think it's something, but it's not.
joe rogan
That has ruined a lot of people's minds.
that mexican ot
Yeah.
Perceptions from social media has ruined a lot of people's minds.
Bro, I'd be at my shows and shit, and these bitches be trying to get in my section and shit like that.
I'd be like, bitch, move.
And they don't know how to handle that shit.
They've never been talked to like that, never been done like that.
Especially by an ugly-ass Mexican like me.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, it fucks them up.
But, bitch, you need to be humbled.
Like, when I be at shows, I'll see a group of fine-ass women and I'll see a big bitch right here and I'll be like, come here, huh?
Because I'm going to boost this big baby up because she don't get that love.
These bitches, they're used to it.
You know what I'm saying?
They almost expect it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
that mexican ot
Bitch, fuck you.
You know what I'm saying?
Get your big ass up here, baby.
You finna shine tonight.
joe rogan
Yeah.
that mexican ot
I like that shit, though.
I love the underdogs.
I love helping people win.
I love seeing people that never win win.
You know what I'm saying?
It just feels good.
joe rogan
It does feel good.
that mexican ot
It feels amazing.
I remember being a kid, watching other kids be on, like, America's Got Talent and shit, and they be singing, and I just start crying.
I just start crying.
You know, like, fuck!
It's amazing.
joe rogan
It is amazing.
that mexican ot
It's amazing.
I've never cried on...
I mean, yeah, I've cried on stage once, and that's when I saw the t-shirt that Homegirl made of my mama.
But that hit different because, like, my mama used to be sitting on the floor ironing $100 bills, and I'd be standing on the bed rapping to whatever music video was being played.
She'd be like, go, V-Man, go!
So when I seen that shirt, I just looked down and closed my eyes, and I heard, go, V-Man, go!
unidentified
And I looked up, and I just see thousands of people.
that mexican ot
And I had no choice but to cry on that one.
But I've never been able to tear up because I just do this shit.
So every time I get on that stage, it's so natural and so me that I'm not even thinking about emotions.
I'm like, I'm here fucking this shit up.
You know what I'm saying?
But when I look at myself before I do it or I think of myself on stage, I get emotional.
But never in the moment.
Never in the moment.
In the moment I'm there and I'm here to whoop ass.
joe rogan
Yes, sir.
I love it.
Bro, let's end on that.
You're a bad motherfucker.
I'm glad I met you.
that mexican ot
Nah, I'm glad I met you, bro.
Like, man, I swear I'm not trying to suck your dick, bro.
You're a bad motherfucker.
Like, I respect you.
I love you.
My father is my hero.
And knowing that you're one of his heroes, it's like...
You know what I'm saying?
I come home with a lion's head today.
So it's beautiful.
joe rogan
Thank you, brother.
I love you too, man.
I think you're an awesome force out there.
unidentified
Thank you, man.
joe rogan
I appreciate you.
And I love your attitude.
I really do.
And I love the gratitude you have for everything and the respect you have for everything.
It's beautiful.
that mexican ot
Thanks, man.
I appreciate you for your time, bro.
I had fun.
joe rogan
Thank you for being here, my friend.
that mexican ot
No, of course.
joe rogan
Go check him out, ladies and gentlemen.
That Mexican OT, he's out there if you can get a ticket.
unidentified
Come on, man.
that mexican ot
I love peace.
joe rogan
Let's go.
Let's go.
that mexican ot
All right.
unidentified
Thank you.
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