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March 13, 2024 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #2118 - The Black Keys
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joe rogan
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dan auerbach
There was a cop guarding our car behind the theater yesterday, and we asked him if it was okay if I smoked one, and he said, you should probably wait.
joe rogan
You should probably wait is a funny thing for a cop to say.
Yeah, it's tricky.
patrick carney
So stupid.
joe rogan
The dumbest of laws.
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
Without a doubt.
The number one dumbest of laws.
There's nothing that's even close to that one.
That one's so stupid.
Well, all the shit that is legal.
dan auerbach
It's just a matter of time, I think.
joe rogan
We can only hope.
It's legal in like 20 states or something now.
Was it like 19 or something, Jamie?
23. 23 states.
Ridiculous.
But there's a lot of shit you can do here that you can't do anywhere else.
You can have a zebra.
patrick carney
You can have a cult.
joe rogan
You can have a zebra.
You can concealed carry with no license.
You don't have to have a concealed carry license here.
It's constitutional carry.
So leave them little old ladies alone.
dan auerbach
How many states have that?
joe rogan
Quite a few now.
Quite a few.
Florida has it.
There's...
I want to say there's 19 states that have that now.
Ohio just passed it.
dan auerbach
Damn.
joe rogan
Well, you know, there's a lot of fucking crime going on out there.
And there's some places where it's difficult to get a license to carry.
dan auerbach
I'm surprised in Ohio they allow that.
patrick carney
I'm not familiar with any gun law.
Ever.
At all.
I just don't have a gun.
I have a pellet gun.
joe rogan
Wow.
Have you ever shot a gun?
patrick carney
Yeah, I did.
It scared the shit out of me.
I mean, I was a Boy Scout and stuff, but my friend bought a Mauser, is that what it's called?
A German rifle.
I mean, this guy's kind of a total character.
He got into World War II reenacting.
joe rogan
Oh no.
patrick carney
And was a Nazi.
unidentified
Oh no!
joe rogan
Oh no!
Did he at least try to lose?
patrick carney
I don't know, man.
It was a whole different thing he would do that he never really discussed with us.
We bought this Mauser and we took it to the range, indoor range.
The pin, I guess, was replaced to fire only blanks.
So we were trying to shoot it and it was hitting the bullet but not firing.
So the guy at the shooting range was like, here, just shoot this.
He handed us a 9mm or a.45 semi-automatic with a Magazine.
And he didn't really show us how to use it.
And I, you know, I emptied the thing into the range and I've pulled it, the trigger, and just, you know, I thought it was done and I handed it to my friend like this.
And he's like, what the fuck?
And I was like, what?
And he just pulled the thing and put it in the chamber and I was, I left the room and I was, I'm done.
joe rogan
Well, that's a scary thing.
That makes sense.
But someone should 100% show you.
patrick carney
Yeah, that wasn't...
dan auerbach
Let's be honest, though, most of the time it's like that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
dan auerbach
I mean, the first time I ever fired a gun was, like, in a basement.
Some guy had a gun, and he was shooting into, like, some homemade shooting range in the basement.
joe rogan
I fired a gun once when I was really young, but then when I moved to California, I bought a gun, and I went to the range.
And I remember the first time I went to the range...
The sound is so terrifying.
Like when you walk into the, and you hear the boom, boom.
And you realize each one of those could end your life easy.
patrick carney
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
And it's just happening all around you.
And you're just like hoping these people next to you keep their shit together.
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because one of the ranges that I went to out in LA, it was a rifle range and it had a bunch of different ranges on it.
It's a big outdoor place.
One guy just went there and shot himself right after I'd been there.
I was there like a week before.
Some guy just came there and decided this was going to be a good place to commit suicide.
dan auerbach
I wonder why.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't know why you would do that.
Or maybe he didn't plan on it and then once he got there he started shooting guns and he's like, you know what?
I'm done.
patrick carney
Yeah, it seems like a weird place to...
dan auerbach
What a fucking doofus.
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, maybe wanted everybody to know.
dan auerbach
It was just low IQ. You know, some guns are like.357 or something.
It's like scary.
It's like all jagged and fucking kicks back.
Yeah.
It's fucking scary.
joe rogan
Yeah.
dan auerbach
The ones that really scare me, though, are the ones that are like...
Smooth.
No kickback, really.
That's kind of freaky.
joe rogan
If you shoot one of those speed guns, like a staccato, there's a plant out here in Texas.
We went to visit it.
They're so precisely machined.
Their tolerances are so small.
When that thing slides, it's like...
You're shooting a 9mm, and it feels like you're shooting a.22.
dan auerbach
I know.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
There's zero kick to it.
patrick carney
I shot a musket in Boy Scouts.
joe rogan
No!
patrick carney
Yeah.
It just was like sparks just flying down.
I left a hole like this big in the target.
But my brother sent me some ring camera footage from his...
He lives in West Cleveland.
He's like, check this out.
And I watched it, and it was.
And he's like, I turned the volume up, and it was just fully automatic.
It comes fire in the background.
And I was like, what the fuck?
Dude, he's like, yeah, dude, it's an automatic assault rifle going off in my neighborhood last night.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
patrick carney
It sounded insane, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah.
dan auerbach
Cleveland.
joe rogan
Well, it's not just Cleveland.
That's out here, too.
I was at a friend of mine's house.
You could hear in the background.
patrick carney
This is just like Rambo style.
unidentified
Jesus.
patrick carney
God, my friends and I went to go see whatever the first Rambo was that they made after the 30-year hiatus.
joe rogan
The funny one?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The new one?
patrick carney
It's like, I don't know if they made more than just that, but the last three minutes of it, he kills like 800 people or something.
It's just so insane.
joe rogan
I heard the newest Rambo is preposterous.
Joey Diaz said it's hilarious.
He goes, it's fucking hilarious.
You gotta watch it.
It's a masterpiece.
You know, it's this crazy cartoonish good guy, bad guy thing from like the 80s, which looks so out of place.
But he still makes those movies the same way.
unidentified
Like, if you go and watch, try to go watch- Didn't make any adjustments?
joe rogan
No adjustments for the times!
No evolution.
If you go back and watch, like, those old movies, they're so ridiculous.
Go watch Red Dawn.
dan auerbach
That would be like if we made the exact same record right now that we did with the first record.
joe rogan
Yeah, but the problem is, like, movies are different than music, because some old music is dope as fuck, right?
Like, and then I guess some old movies are dope, too.
dan auerbach
Hell yeah.
patrick carney
I got pretty into some later, more recent era, Steven Seagal stuff, like five, six years ago.
My friends and I would watch it because it was just so insanely bad.
And then Dan sent me a link to the Come Town guys talking about these same films.
And it was like, they summed it all up so perfectly, but it was basically like, you know...
dan auerbach
One of the funny things is like he's so old and his special forces team that he assembles all has to be kind of his age, which means their commander has to be like 80. Oh my god!
So they show the commander, he has a white mustache.
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
Tom Segura had a whole bit about Seagal.
patrick carney
Dude, I heard a story about him from someone who would know, and they said that this super agent, he was the personal trainer of this super agent.
joe rogan
Michael Hovitz.
patrick carney
Yeah.
He had a bet with another agent that he could make anybody famous.
And they're like, well, how about your trainer?
And I guess they asked him to learn a martial art or something?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
patrick carney
That's not it?
That's not it.
joe rogan
No, Steven Seagal is a legit Aikido specialist.
patrick carney
Right.
And that's the art of de-arming someone?
So it is?
joe rogan
It was invented for samurai to fight against someone with a sword.
So it's all about like a redistribution of energy.
It's all about I commit to you and then you throw me to the ground.
The problem with that is if someone doesn't commit, someone just fucking grabs you, wrestles you.
You're a Division I wrestler against an Aikido guy.
You're done.
The Aikido guy has zero chance.
There's not a chance in hell you're gonna stop Daniel Cormier from taking you down.
There's zero chance.
Hamzat Tsumayev grabs you, you're going for a ride 100% of the time.
dan auerbach
That's the other fucking awesome thing, too, that Seagal, in the later films, where he doesn't even get up out of the chair, he just...
unidentified
He does the shit and throws people down.
dan auerbach
They come at him and he just fucks him.
unidentified
Is he not, dawg?
joe rogan
So this is Seagal when he was younger.
Seagal was the first American to run a dojo in Japan.
Now this is later.
This is actually later because he's already got wacky hair.
dan auerbach
Just his posture.
He's so disrespectful.
joe rogan
Well, it's the whole idea behind him is that he was an American who spoke Japanese.
He's married to a Japanese woman.
He ran a dojo in Tokyo or somewhere in Japan.
But it was very unusual for an American to be running a dojo.
But I think it was because he married the woman.
It's ridiculous.
patrick carney
The stuff where he's like...
Have you seen the clips of him in Belarus eating the carrots and stuff?
joe rogan
He's eating carrots?
patrick carney
Yeah, he's hanging out with the president or dictator of Belarus, but it's amazing.
joe rogan
Jamie, find the older footage.
The older footage.
Just eating carrots?
patrick carney
I'll watch this.
Look at the way he dresses.
Watch this.
joe rogan
Thank you.
patrick carney
It's so insane.
joe rogan
His hair is insane.
patrick carney
Of course, someone edited that, so he's like deep-throating the carrot.
He makes a good tip joke about the melons here.
unidentified
No problem.
That's nice. - Please. - That's all.
joe rogan
That's the weird thing about old actors that are kind of at the end of the journey and they start appearing in foreign countries and meeting people.
I want to meet Steven Seagal.
Bring him to me.
And then all of a sudden he's a Russian citizen.
He's got a passport in Russia, like no bullshit.
Yeah, he's a Russian citizen.
patrick carney
Right.
joe rogan
Mr. Putin's always been amazing to me.
There's a weird thing with this.
This is him when he was young.
So this is before the movie days.
This is him teaching Aikido.
patrick carney
This is cool.
joe rogan
This is much better, right?
But it's also not real.
Like, that shit doesn't work.
It's like, if you learn Aikido, you can do some of those things.
dan auerbach
That was such bullshit.
He just threw the guy behind his back.
patrick carney
The clips from the last couple years when he's doing it, it looks preposterous, really.
joe rogan
It's a lot of preposterousness to Aikido because the people are playing along with it.
They're going along with it.
So that's real.
It's also, you know, that kind of martial art is like, you don't really know how to fight.
It's like learning a language, but you only learn conjunctions.
You only learn ands and buts and the, and you learn a couple of vowels.
patrick carney
So it's how we speak Spanish.
It's worse.
joe rogan
It's worse.
You just can't only do that.
If you want to learn how to do that for funsies, yeah, it's fun to do.
But don't think that this is going to really work.
There's shit that they didn't know.
dan auerbach
It fucking worked for him.
joe rogan
Well, it would work if someone had a sword.
The thing is, like, the Japanese samurai, they knew how to fight.
And then that would be an art that they would train in just to learn how to disarm sword-carrying weapon, you know, like someone who's got something, a spear, something that's gonna get you.
You lost your sword in battle, there has to be a strategy for that.
So the Japanese came up with Aikido.
patrick carney
There's this dude that makes these dioramas that are out in insane detail.
And the whole time he's telling a story.
And it's funny as hell.
I forget his name.
Something Fingers.
But he does one of Steven Seagal.
And it's depicting this scene that apparently happened where Steven Seagal had told some legendary martial artist guy that he couldn't be choked out.
joe rogan
Gene LaBelle.
He told the story on my podcast.
Oh, that's hilarious.
patrick carney
So he does these things.
Yeah, right.
Apparently, he choked him out instantly and he shit his pants.
joe rogan
Gene told the story on the podcast.
patrick carney
Okay.
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
patrick carney
But this guy's true.
dan auerbach
True story?
joe rogan
It's a true story.
Gene's a legend.
Gene LaBelle was...
He was a judo champion and he was like one of the first guys to do mixed martial arts fights.
Like he had a fight with a boxer.
Like, way, way back in the day.
And just strangled this boxer and put him to sleep.
But he made the boxer wear a gi, I think.
Pretty sure.
And he wore a gi, too.
Like, there was some weird funky rules.
The boxer had the boxing gloves on, he didn't, he just beat the shit out of the dude.
But he was the guy that also trained Bruce Lee.
He taught Bruce Lee about grappling.
Like Bruce Lee had, you know, he was doing these movies and it was a little unrealistic, like some of the things, and Gene LaBelle was like, let me show you what I can do to you.
He just kind of grabs Bruce Lee and fucking hoists him over his head and is like, listen, settle down.
Like, let's not pretend you're the baddest motherfucker on earth.
dan auerbach
But does that shit look good in movies, though?
That type of fighting?
joe rogan
No.
Well, this is him fighting this boxer dude.
Does it look like the boxer of gloves?
It doesn't, does it?
Yeah, he does.
He's got small gloves.
So what he's got essentially on are bag gloves.
And Gene just threw him to the ground and fucking strangled him.
He just choked him to sleep.
patrick carney
Wow.
joe rogan
But Gene's a gorilla.
I mean, that dude, he's a tank of a man.
You know, even as an old man, some dudes in his neighborhood were fucking with someone's car.
And he said, hey, get the fuck out of here.
And they were like, fuck you, old man.
He's like, okay.
Beat the shit out of the three of them.
It was like at least two guys.
I don't remember the entire story, but some poor fucking idiot wound up messing with literally the wrong old man.
patrick carney
The one wrong old guy to fuck with.
joe rogan
I hope I didn't fuck that story up.
But he's the guy that choked Seagal out.
So Seagal was like claiming that he couldn't be choked.
And his move was when you put the rear naked choke on, he hits you in the balls.
And the idea that you're going to do that to Gene LaBelle.
Like, you don't think he's been hitting the balls before?
Getting hit in the balls sucks, but it doesn't, like, knock you out.
It just sucks.
dan auerbach
Makes your grip even harder around the neck.
joe rogan
And you also have, like, a three-second window before it really sucks.
You know?
Like, the delayed reaction of getting kicked in the balls.
You know?
There's that weird moment where you get hit and you're like, oh, no, here it comes.
Ugh!
By the time Gene's already put you to sleep.
dan auerbach
I never got fully kicked there.
joe rogan
Never?
dan auerbach
Only, like, grazed.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
patrick carney
I mean, I've got three brothers, so there's a lot of ball kicking.
joe rogan
Dude, I just realized what your shirt says.
patrick carney
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Harvard University with a photo of the Unabomber.
Oh my god.
patrick carney
My friend Brendan makes these.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
patrick carney
I know.
That's the best thing about the shirt is it takes like an hour for someone to notice.
joe rogan
I didn't even read it before.
I was just saying hi and then I realized that fucking story is the craziest.
Did you see that Netflix documentary on the Unabomber?
unidentified
No.
patrick carney
I didn't.
joe rogan
Oh, it's nuts, man.
When he was a baby, he had some sort of a disease and so they had to take him to a hospital and he wasn't allowed to have contact with people.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
So his parents weren't allowed to see him.
No one was allowed to see him.
I think it was for like months.
And for a baby to not be touched for months just cracks you.
So then this poor fuck goes to Harvard and they enroll him in the LSD studies.
And their goal is to see what, like, constant humiliation will do to a person while you're dosing them up with LSD. So they're all mean to him, and they're, like, humiliating him, and then this guy decides to go to Berkeley, become a professor to make enough money so he can kill everyone.
patrick carney
Insane, dude.
joe rogan
It just goes and lives in the woods!
patrick carney
Those LSD experiments are hard to believe.
joe rogan
Hard to believe.
patrick carney
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, I wonder what's going on right now.
If they were doing that then, do they just say, well, let's just stop?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, there's probably experiments that are going on right now that we're going to find out about 20 years from now.
patrick carney
Oh, for sure.
dan auerbach
Absolutely.
joe rogan
For sure, right?
patrick carney
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
There's no way.
patrick carney
I was talking to...
This chick at a party the other day, and she's talking about she has a house on Shelter Island off of Long Island, and how this really weird animal was fucking with her dog, and she was describing it, and I was like, sounds like the Montauk monster.
She had a beak and wallaby legs.
I was like, you know, there's that Plum Island research facility right near where your house is.
And she's like, what the fuck are you talking about?
I was like, I don't know.
Center for Disease Control has some weird island.
joe rogan
Will they do experiments out there?
patrick carney
I don't know.
dan auerbach
I think it's like a mutant platypus?
joe rogan
Imagine if they created an animal and just said, let's just let it lose and see long before people find it.
patrick carney
I got a house in South Carolina.
It's like a second home.
And I started getting into like looking at like old houses, like old plantation houses to see.
Like when they would come up for sale, I would go look just to see like what, you know, because I was into the history.
And I looked at this one that was on St. Helena Island.
It was really, you know, cool.
It was a house from 1795. But as I was driving back, I was kind of like with the realtor.
I was looking around.
I realized there's this island right next to this place called Morgan Island.
Have you heard of this place?
joe rogan
No.
patrick carney
It's like, you know, five miles from where I was just at.
It's filled up with rhesus monkeys that all have herpes.
joe rogan
Oh, I have heard of this.
patrick carney
What?
They feed them by dropping shit from a helicopter.
What the fuck are you talking about?
If you go to the island, you have to quarantine for months.
Because there's these viruses that are just rapidly mutating on the island.
joe rogan
Oh my god!
Nothing good happens on the island.
unidentified
I'm just like...
joe rogan
Someone has a private island, there's nothing good happening on that island.
Once you have your own island, that's like, you're off the deep end.
Like, any story sounds so much sketchier if it's on an island.
patrick carney
Well, maybe the Unabomber would have been more chill if he had an island versus a cabin.
joe rogan
He'd probably just be shooting people from the island.
dan auerbach
Just messages in a bottle.
joe rogan
Long range rifle from the island.
patrick carney
You could have just intercepted all of his packages.
He would never know.
joe rogan
Right.
Hey, Ted's sending out packages.
unidentified
Keep an eye out for him.
joe rogan
It's funny that his brother recognized that it was him.
His brother read the manifesto and go, oh, I know who the fuck this is.
patrick carney
He must have some vocal tick that just drives his brother, drove him nuts, and he's like, fuck.
joe rogan
Well, his brother was a part of the documentary.
His brother recognized what happened to him.
You know, that his brother knew about the childhood, the medical issue that he had where they couldn't touch him for months.
So his brother knew he was fucked.
patrick carney
Well, see, if they chose him to, like, humiliate on LSD, there must have been someone that they, like, praised endlessly.
joe rogan
Right.
patrick carney
On LSD. And maybe that's, like, where...
joe rogan
That's Manson.
patrick carney
Yeah, exactly.
That's where you get the cult leader.
That's David Koresh and Manson.
joe rogan
Well, they definitely did something with Manzan, too.
Did you ever read that book, Chaos, by Tom O'Neill?
Have you heard of it?
patrick carney
I haven't, but I haven't read it.
I buy a lot of books that I don't read.
joe rogan
It's good on tape, if you want to just listen to it.
patrick carney
Okay, that's a better idea.
joe rogan
Which makes it way easier.
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a bananas book.
And the guy who wrote it is my friend's neighbor.
So my friend Greg, who I started comedy with, Greg Fitzsimmons, was neighbors with this guy in New York, and then neighbors with him in Venice.
And this guy has been writing this one fucking story for 20 years.
He got hired to write it as like an anniversary piece on the death of the Manson murders.
And...
As he's writing, he's like, there's so much wrong with the story.
And so he goes into this deep investigation of it, and he fucking becomes obsessed for 20 years.
This guy can't finish publishing this story.
And then it becomes a book, and a book deal.
And then they bring in an editor, and finally they piece it.
He's got enough for another book, he said.
But it's all about the CIA. Like, the CIA met Manson when he was in prison.
These same guys that met Jack Ruby after he shot Lee Harvey Oswald.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
And they taught Manson, essentially, how to run a cult.
They gave him LSD, they dosed him, they told him...
Like, many times, Manson apparently would not take the LSD, but he would give it to everybody else.
And then while they're on acid, he's manipulating them.
And then turn them into murderers.
And the whole plan was just to...
They were trying to attack the anti-war movement.
And the best way to do it was like, instead of making this hippie movement, like this beautiful thing we should all embrace, love and peace, let's make it violent psychos that cut babies out of pregnant women and write pig on the wall with their blood.
Let's do that.
And so they did that.
And it worked.
patrick carney
It's insane.
joe rogan
It's insane.
And that's what they used to pass that Psychedelics Act in 1970. That's those same tactics.
The whole idea was stop the anti-war movement.
Stop the civil rights movement.
patrick carney
It's crazy.
joe rogan
This is our government.
patrick carney
We worked at a studio last year in...
In Los Angeles that apparently Manson recorded a bunch of stuff at.
And it was crazy because this studio, it's called Valentine Studios, this guy built it like in the early 60s.
He was a Capitol Records producer and he built his own studio so he could do shit outside of Capitol Records.
And I guess he's into jazz.
dan auerbach
Capitol Records is famous, world famous.
It's got these echo chambers that are unique to it and very special.
And he had the blueprints for the originals and just created copies of the studio.
patrick carney
Apparently, as the music scene turned more to rock, the guy just got completely fed up with...
Because he was used to cutting four songs in a day and now they've got a bunch of stoners working on one guitar solo for eight hours.
So apparently he just mothballed the place in the early 70s and used it as a storage facility.
He was into cars.
He was into those little Nash Metropolitan cars.
So it had all these Nash parts, and then the guy passed away, and someone got wind that the studio was there.
And so this dude, Nick, cleaned it all out.
So when you go to the studio, it looks exactly like it did in 1969. It's insane.
dan auerbach
Time capsule.
patrick carney
We were in the room, and I'm sure it looked exactly the same way as it did when Manson was in there.
dan auerbach
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Have we ever played Manson's music?
Can we play it?
Would that be a problem with Spotify?
There's no way that someone owns a copyright demands this music.
jamie vernon
100% someone owns a copyright.
That's definitely what you would own a copyright to.
patrick carney
Did Guns N' Roses put a cover of one of his songs on a Spaghetti Incident album?
joe rogan
Did they?
patrick carney
I think they might have.
I know that a lot of punk rock guys became millionaires because of that.
It's all punk covers.
No shit.
They funded their retirement fund for a lot of punk guys.
joe rogan
Charles Manson, Guns N' Roses.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
patrick carney
That would have generated a...
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Boy.
patrick carney
Pretty great stuff.
joe rogan
But that's Guns N' Roses covering it.
I wonder what the real album sounded like.
patrick carney
Did we open for them a couple months ago?
joe rogan
Guns N' Roses?
unidentified
Uh-huh.
patrick carney
At the Hollywood Bowl.
And like, the whole deal was like, their friend came to us and was like, this would be cool.
Like, they'll play for like an hour and a half, you'll play for an hour.
You'll go on at like 7.30.
dan auerbach
Neither of us have ever played the Bowl.
patrick carney
Yeah, so it was perfect.
Then we fly away to L.A. and our set time is 6 p.m.
Literally, we're playing to a dude in the front eating a hot dog.
It's just so insane.
dan auerbach
And then they play for three hours.
patrick carney
And they played for three hours, but the craziest part of the whole thing was that I lit a cigarette up backstage and there was no smoking.
They're smoking bad.
They're like, you know, the smoke's going into the Slash's thing.
So I thought it was funny, the guy that's known for the cigarette hanging out of his mouth.
unidentified
It's like, absolutely no smoking around here.
joe rogan
Did he quit and then now he's got this thing?
patrick carney
I don't know, we didn't get to meet them.
You didn't meet them?
No.
joe rogan
What?
patrick carney
I know, it was weird.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
patrick carney
I know.
dan auerbach
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
I met Axl Rose in a restaurant in Greece, just randomly.
I was eating at this restaurant, and my friend comes by and goes, that fucking Axl Rose is sitting over there.
I'm like, shit, we're gonna have to walk by him.
It's that weird thing where you say hi to someone, you don't know if they know who you are, but luckily he did, and then he invited me to the show.
patrick carney
I'm sure he's a cool guy.
joe rogan
He's a cool guy.
dan auerbach
I met him one time.
He's real cool.
joe rogan
He's very cool.
But, you know, he gets bothered a lot.
So, like, I was worried that I was gonna bother him, you know, because my friend had bothered him already.
My friend got shooed.
patrick carney
We were at a restaurant this past summer in Madrid.
We were playing a festival.
dan auerbach
Should we just pick this random restaurant for lunch?
patrick carney
Yeah.
It was like 5 o'clock, and we got sat next to Flea and John Frusciante.
Wow.
dan auerbach
Right next to their table.
patrick carney
Right next to them.
They were sitting there having the most nerdy conversation.
If you augment the seventh...
And we were just like...
unidentified
And I'm like, whoa, my God, they are just such nerds.
patrick carney
But I was like, I'm going to go say what's up.
I went over and I shook Flea's hand and then I went to go shake John Frusciante's hand.
He's like, I don't do that.
And then Flea's like, excuse me, I'm going to go wash my hands.
unidentified
What?
patrick carney
And they're like, we're germaphobes.
And I was like, aren't these guys legendary...
joe rogan
Freaks!
patrick carney
Ex-heroids?
Yeah.
unidentified
What?
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
Germaphobes?
They don't shake hands?
patrick carney
No.
No.
joe rogan
That always weirds me out.
Like the Howie Mandel thing.
He weirds me out.
Does he bump knuckles still?
I don't even know he bumps knuckles.
For a while he was like, I think maybe he bumps knuckles.
I told him, I go, next time I see you, motherfucker, I'm going to hug you.
You're not going to be able to stop me.
I'm going to hug you.
This is ridiculous.
patrick carney
Maybe we need to invent a new form of greeting each other.
joe rogan
Well, the handshake is fine.
It's a good one.
You know why it's good?
Because if you hang on too long, it's weird.
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's why it's good.
Because it's like an intimate gesture.
There's a gesture.
We're touching skin.
But only for a little bit.
Because, you know, a handshake for too long...
It gets odd.
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
It gets a little odd.
dan auerbach
I like how Trump does the thing where he just pulls everybody out.
joe rogan
Dude, he got me.
unidentified
He did.
joe rogan
The motherfucker got me.
Let me tell you something.
I was ready for it the first time.
First time I met him, first of all, he has normal-sized hands.
I have big hands.
He has regular-sized hands.
He's a big guy.
So, um...
I was ready.
I knew I was gonna meet him.
The first time I met him, he came over and just put his hands on my shoulders and said, you do a great job.
But I was sitting, you know, sitting.
So this time I actually stood up.
We made eye contact.
I said, how you doing, sir?
I shook his hand.
I'm like, oh, I know what he's about to do.
So I fucking anchored myself.
I'm like, not today, son.
Not today.
Would you give me a nice pull?
And I'm like, but we're hanging out for a while.
So then the next time I met him, he was at a UFC as well.
dan auerbach
Did he try to pull?
joe rogan
Dude, I'll tell you what happened.
I'm sitting down, and he looks at me, and he goes like this, and he gets up and starts walking towards me.
And I get up, and I reach over with my hand, and he gets me!
And I'm over the table!
unidentified
I'm over the table!
dan auerbach
He really fucking got me!
joe rogan
He got me good.
I'm like, this motherfucker learns from his mistakes.
He got me.
dan auerbach
He used your energy against you.
joe rogan
Is this the time where he gets me?
unidentified
Yeah, I don't know.
joe rogan
Let me see.
No, this is the time he tried.
He tried to get me.
He's hanging on for a while, see.
dan auerbach
Look at you, dude.
You're shaking a little bit.
joe rogan
I'm anchored.
You're shaking a little bit.
Well, I'm resisting.
There's a lot going on there.
You know who got mad at me?
Jack White.
Got mad at me that I shook Trump's hand.
I'm like, stop crying.
Settle down and stop crying.
You think that's...
Would you be okay if I shook Biden's hand?
Are you paying attention?
dan auerbach
He might crush his fucking fingers.
joe rogan
He'd try to get you, though, with those fucking bony old broomstick hands.
unidentified
I'll tell you right when I was younger, I fucking shook the shit out of your hand.
dan auerbach
Just come up behind you and sniff your head.
joe rogan
Bro, I love the gaslighting.
There's this one guy that I follow on Instagram I only follow for gaslighting, and he's this hardcore Democrat dude.
And he was talking about how amazing Biden's State of the Union speech was and how inspiring it was.
It just really feels so good about things right now.
How about you folks?
unidentified
Like, what the fuck?
joe rogan
What the fuck are you talking about?
What the fuck are you talking about?
dan auerbach
They definitely had him on a drug cocktail.
patrick carney
We were trying to figure out what cocktail he was on.
dan auerbach
I'd like to know.
joe rogan
I don't want to get on it.
I want to try it.
I want to know.
It's probably the Hitler.
dan auerbach
He's probably been in bed since the speech.
joe rogan
Right, just eating ice cream.
dan auerbach
Just trying to recuperate.
Body's fucking zapped.
joe rogan
Bro, what are they giving him?
What are they giving him and what does it feel like?
I would imagine, if I was going to dose up the president, if they brought me an amateur pharmacologist, I would say vitamin B12. I'm like, give him the whole vial.
Give him everything intramuscularly, 45 minutes before he has to do activities.
The next thing I would do is peptides.
He's got to be on everything.
I want him on BPC-157.
I want him on apamoralin.
dan auerbach
Wait a minute, let me write this down.
joe rogan
Tessamoralin.
I want him on everything.
Then I want him on testosterone.
I want you to just jack him up with bodybuilder-like levels.
We're going to kill him, but he's going to die anyway.
And then I would say speed.
We need some fucking Adderall.
We need to chew up some Adderall.
patrick carney
Wouldn't some old-fashioned meth just...
joe rogan
Not enough.
Not enough.
He needs his body to have at least some resistance to what you're going to throw at it to try to make him articulate.
I would give him a lot of things.
I would give him growth hormone.
I would give him everything.
Peptides, vitamins.
dan auerbach
Dude, he'd come to the podium looking like swamp fish.
joe rogan
N-A-D. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Exactly.
Just blow them up.
Let's go.
I want them purple.
I want them on that podium looking purple.
Just swollen up with creatine.
I would dose them up on everything.
I'd only feed them bison meat.
patrick carney
That would be a good supplement company.
It's like, we're going to give you the authentic JFK. Yeah.
Here's the JFK cocktail.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
patrick carney
Here's what he was into.
joe rogan
Yeah, JFK apparently was, that was Dr. Feelgood.
That was the whole term.
Dr. Feelgood was a doctor that they would call upon.
And apparently the White House has doctors like this as well.
That you call upon and say, you know what?
I'm having a hard time sleeping, Doc.
And they hook you up with Ambien.
Or they hook you up with antidepressants.
Or they hook you up with Xanax if you're feeling depressed.
Max Jacobson.
Dr. Feelgood.
Miracle Max.
Elvis' doctor.
Give me the Elvis cocktail.
patrick carney
You can have historical figures, favorite drugs.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, give me the Biden.
Give me that Biden cocktail.
What are they doing?
What JFK did not know was that the injections were actually powerful doses of a combination of highly addictive liquid methamphetamine and steroids.
So that's what I would give him.
See, that's what I'm saying.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I know these things.
I should be working for the White House.
patrick carney
I'm sure there is B12 in that shot, too.
joe rogan
That's what my appointment would be for the Trump White House.
I'd be the new Rachel Levine.
dan auerbach
You'd be the new Dr. Fielder.
joe rogan
Get me in there, and I'll fucking straighten everybody out.
patrick carney
The supplements are.
joe rogan
And I've got everybody on edibles.
I want the whole staff to be terrified all day long.
dan auerbach
Everybody's got a slant board by their desk.
unidentified
Yeah, everybody's doing fucking knees over toes squats.
joe rogan
I'd have a hot yoga room there.
Let's go.
Kettlebells all over the fucking White House.
patrick carney
Let's go.
joe rogan
Let's go, kids.
dan auerbach
Big fucking Onnit banner.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Teach them all archery.
Everybody's drinking Kill Cliffs.
Let's go.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What's it?
Okay proclaimed I don't care if it's horse piss it works He had some severe bouts of back pain apparently he has like some really really serious fucking disease What's this about Mickey Mantle?
He treated Mickey Mantle.
For a case of the flu.
Oh, you got the flu?
Let me give you some heroin.
Injection into Mantle's hip caused severe abscessing septic infection at the injection site that hospitalized Mantle and threatened his career.
But that's just staph.
That can happen because it was just bad medical advice.
That has nothing to do with what he gave him.
What did he give him?
Improper practices.
So this guy was just a wild dude.
There's a book called Dead Doctors Don't Lie, and it's by a guy who advocates mineral supplementation.
We do it with animals.
And he was saying that so many diseases that people are getting is a result of your diet.
And he goes, you need to pay attention to doctors and how they live their lives.
These guys that are telling you, you need to do this, you need to take this, you need to take this medication, they're all in cahoots with the pharmaceutical drug companies and they're all super unhealthy and a lot of them are addicted, not all.
But this is what this guy was saying.
A lot of them are addicted to drugs.
And so he tells a story about this guy who was in the middle of surgery and he goes to go do coke and he has an overdose and dies.
This guy's dead in the middle of surgery because they were so cranked up.
Because they could give themselves whatever the fuck they wanted.
So these guys would all take whatever they wanted.
patrick carney
Man.
dan auerbach
Yeah, you gotta be careful.
If the person telling you how to be healthy is a fat slob...
joe rogan
Not good.
And it's really common.
patrick carney
It's really common at doctor's offices to, like, see a bunch of unhealthy nurses.
joe rogan
Doctors used to smoke.
They used to be in there with a fucking cigarette.
patrick carney
My dad, uh...
My dad walked into a door in the middle of the night in, like, the mid-70s, broke his nose, and, um...
And he went to go get it straightened a couple weeks later, so the doctor had like...
joe rogan
Crack it.
patrick carney
Crack it.
And my dad noticed like the next day, like he couldn't taste and smell anything.
And he went back to the doctor's office and was like, I can't, I'm not, you know, I can't smell or taste.
And the doctor apparently was smoking and took his ashtray and put it up to his nose.
Can you smell this?
And my dad said, no.
He's like, yeah, it's probably not coming back.
joe rogan
Whoa.
patrick carney
So I was thinking, if that happened to you now, you'd get like a hundred million dollar settlement.
joe rogan
It's probably not coming back.
dan auerbach
It never came back.
patrick carney
No, he still can't.
My dad can't smell.
joe rogan
Whoa.
patrick carney
Yeah, you'll be like, you know, he can't smell at all.
joe rogan
Just from a broken nose?
patrick carney
Yeah, it's like, you know, when you taste with your nose pinched, that's what it is.
So he can taste like hot sauce a little bit.
joe rogan
Oh man, that's gotta suck.
Imagine not smelling bacon.
dan auerbach
Since when did that happen?
patrick carney
It happened before I was born.
That's crazy.
I was born in 80. But he'll get these phantom smells.
And I'm like, what smell do you miss the most?
He's like, gasoline.
I love the smell of gas.
joe rogan
I used to love that smell.
I used to love that.
Well, I was a gearhead when I was a kid.
dan auerbach
I've got a barn with the motorcycles, and that's the first thing my son says.
He's eight years old.
As soon as he gets in, he's like, oh, my favorite smell.
patrick carney
Kids love the smell of gas.
dan auerbach
What is it?
joe rogan
They love markers, too.
patrick carney
Like Sharpies.
joe rogan
They do.
unidentified
Have you ever seen the photos of all the people that have been arrested for huffing?
joe rogan
It's amazing.
dan auerbach
There's a compilation.
joe rogan
They all have fucking silver all over their face.
patrick carney
It's kind of lost popularity that huffing, I feel.
unidentified
Well, a lot of the proponents have died off.
Look at these fucking guys.
joe rogan
Just everyone busted for huffing.
dan auerbach
Dude.
joe rogan
I think that one guy got busted a ton of times.
patrick carney
Wow, they all kind of have a little sparkle in their eyes.
joe rogan
That guy.
That guy's been busted, I believe, more than once for huffing.
dan auerbach
Oh my god.
joe rogan
It's just fucking so silly.
patrick carney
You know those guys that stand on the corner in like the painted suits?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
patrick carney
Like the gold suits?
They just looked like they were just blowing those dudes.
joe rogan
Well, those dudes, how toxic must that shit be?
You put that shit on your body all day, like silver paint?
patrick carney
By the way, what a stupid fucking thing to do with your time.
joe rogan
Yeah, not a good one.
unidentified
This guy.
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, dumbass way to spend your day pretending to be a robot.
patrick carney
Didn't someone on the set of a Bond film die from being painted on gold?
dan auerbach
Really?
patrick carney
I think so, in the 60s.
Yeah.
dan auerbach
Urban legend.
patrick carney
I mean, it's urban legend, but I think that might be true.
dan auerbach
The internet kind of fucked up urban legend.
joe rogan
It definitely did.
There was one that someone sent me about Einstein's chauffeur being smarter than him.
patrick carney
Yeah, that was going around yesterday.
unidentified
No, no.
joe rogan
I sent it immediately.
I sent him the fucking articles to disprove them.
That's not true.
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
Here it is.
Goldfinger and the myth of Bond girl's death.
jamie vernon
It's a myth.
joe rogan
It's a myth.
dan auerbach
Ah, it's just a good one.
Marketing baby.
joe rogan
What was the whole idea?
Was she supposed to be a gold human?
Was she an alien?
What was she?
patrick carney
I don't know.
Those movies kind of blow.
dan auerbach
They were really into painting naked women's bodies in the 60s in movies.
joe rogan
Yeah?
dan auerbach
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, that's the weird hack for hoes, that you can go out in public with your titties painted.
A lot of gals will use that as an excuse to walk around topless for Halloween.
patrick carney
Yeah, it's probably a way to avoid sensors back then.
Paint them rather than show it.
dan auerbach
Yeah.
joe rogan
Probably, yeah.
patrick carney
So that's not true, huh?
Fuck.
joe rogan
It would've been a fun one.
patrick carney
Yeah, it's weird when you start finding these things out, you've just been living a lie.
joe rogan
Have you guys heard of those ladies that used to paint loom on watches?
Oh, yeah.
What is it called?
Radium girls.
Yeah, they would lick their paintbrush and they all got horrible cancer.
Their faces had rotten holes in it.
Their jaws fell off.
Terrifying shit.
patrick carney
Holy shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
patrick carney
I mean, my mom has a bunch of Fiesta wear.
We used to eat off that all the time.
Apparently...
You know, the red is, like, highly radioactive.
It's true.
dan auerbach
Really?
patrick carney
Yeah, because they were using uranium.
And then they started using depleted uranium.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
patrick carney
But it's like...
Yeah.
Apparently.
joe rogan
Did you get any superpowers?
unidentified
Uh...
patrick carney
No, I'm just...
joe rogan
Nobody gets superpowers.
patrick carney
Dude, my brother gave me...
My brother...
The same one that sent me...
dan auerbach
He doesn't have a superpower.
He can guess people's birthdays.
Is that...
patrick carney
I mean, it's not a superpower.
It's just...
dan auerbach
It's pretty...
joe rogan
How good are you?
patrick carney
I can guess within three years, I think, for anyone.
joe rogan
Oh, within three years?
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, so you're guessing their age.
Yeah.
patrick carney
But I can do historical figures.
I don't really know who they are.
I mean, it's not 100%, but I've been pretty close.
joe rogan
With their birth date?
patrick carney
No, like their year.
dan auerbach
Their birth year.
joe rogan
Okay.
What year was I born?
unidentified
1968 67 pretty close Just name anybody else.
joe rogan
Okay.
Marlon Brando.
patrick carney
That's good.
unidentified
Give me a second.
Okay.
patrick carney
1922. Ooh.
Oh, within three years.
joe rogan
Wow.
24. Wow.
dan auerbach
What the fuck do you do then?
joe rogan
That's pretty impressive.
patrick carney
Let's just keep it 100% accuracy.
We made our new record...
Collaborating with people.
And one of the guys on our list that we wanted to work with was Noel Gallagher from Oasis.
So we kept reaching out to him and seeing if he would be up for it.
And we kept hearing back that he doesn't really do that.
I remember that my neighbor, who I golf with, used to be Oasis' agent.
So I asked him if he could reach out.
Through that, we heard back that an old would be up for recording with us if we went to London.
So we flew all the way to London.
And right at this small little studio.
And we barely knew Noel.
We've met him briefly.
But we went in there with no song and sat down with him within a couple hours.
We had a song written and recorded.
joe rogan
Wow.
patrick carney
And we did it three days in a row.
And we had four days booked.
After the first day, we were like, we got what we need.
This would be cool if we got more.
dan auerbach
The rest would be gravy.
But we got what we need.
Pay for the trip.
patrick carney
And we got, we got the, you know, the second day we got on the game, and the third day we got a song called Only Love Matters, but the fourth day we showed up and we're like, we are not fucking pressing it.
Like, we, we got, you know, we got, we went three for three, but we're not gonna.
dan auerbach
Let's not push our love.
patrick carney
Let's not fuck this up.
So we just spent the whole day just bullshitting with him.
But yeah, that's like the same with this.
I don't want to guess another birthday.
I don't want to fail.
joe rogan
Yeah, I got it.
Yeah, you've been rock solid so far this show.
On the Game.
The fucking album is amazing.
It's so good, dude.
It's so good.
patrick carney
Thanks, man.
joe rogan
And thank you for letting me listen to it early.
I played it for everybody in the green room.
People were like, oh, shit.
patrick carney
Cool.
joe rogan
It's so good, dude.
It's so good.
On the Game, I told you, I find myself singing that.
Like when I see people out trying to hook up in bars, everybody's on the game.
It's fucking great.
dan auerbach
It was such an amazing feeling, being in the room with him.
We cut it in this studio called Toe Rag, and the live room is this size, like this room.
unidentified
Wow.
dan auerbach
So Pat's drum kit's here, a little keyboard here, I'm right there, and Noel's right there.
We're just in a circle.
joe rogan
Wow.
dan auerbach
And, you know, what you hear on the record is the take we did.
unidentified
Wow.
dan auerbach
It was like the second or third time we got through the song without fucking it up.
joe rogan
Wow.
It's amazing that you guys can put together a song.
dan auerbach
It is the best feeling.
It's so addictive.
It's the most addictive thing ever.
joe rogan
It's gotta be.
dan auerbach
Being able to get in the studio and make something out of nothing like that.
joe rogan
The fact that you guys can do that in four hours is just insane.
dan auerbach
That was the thing.
Ever since we met, we've been able to do that.
Ever since the first fucking time we got in a room together.
He had a four track and it instantly sounded fucking fun and cool.
You know?
And it's like...
Hearing that and then getting that feeling has been like, feels like the driving force of my life.
joe rogan
You guys are like one of my favorite origin stories for bands.
Just like the way you guys work together, the way it works, that you've known each other forever.
It's just the whole thing is awesome.
It's just what everybody hopes for.
An origin story for a cool band that you like.
patrick carney
We've got this doc that's coming out at some point that is cool.
We premiered it last night, but it was cool.
All the footage that the director found, because we weren't taking photos and stuff back in the day, but to see all the photos from 20-some years ago.
dan auerbach
Yeah, stuff I didn't even know existed.
Some of the shit I didn't even remember at all.
And there's video of it.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Wow.
patrick carney
The cool thing about like on the game we got everything but the lyrics you know but the melody was there and that you know we kind of made a point with making this album that for the first time we were going to like I guess kind of do it you know Do it the way that maybe bands used to do it in the 70s, I guess.
We were going to stay at the nicest hotels, the funnest hotels, most fun hotels.
We were going to have fun.
So when we were out in London, we were staying at the Children Firehouse, just kind of partying every single night, and then dragging ourselves to the studio.
One night, Noel was hanging out with us.
And he was, like, pointing to some girl at the bar, and he's like, oh, she's for sure on the game.
And we were like, we've been to England, you know, 50 times, but we'd never heard that expression.
And we're like, what's that?
He's like, oh, she's, you know, a working girl.
She's probably, you know, she's probably a prostitute.
Which checks out, I think.
There were a lot there.
But then Dan was like, yeah, everybody here's on the game.
But making this record was so much fun.
joe rogan
How can you tell if someone's a prostitute?
I was in Miami.
My friend was like, there were so many prostitutes at that hotel.
I go, how do you know?
This is Miami.
There are a lot of gals dressed like hookers here.
patrick carney
Yeah, it's kind of incriminating if you know.
joe rogan
How do you know?
patrick carney
Dude, we played this show once a long time ago in Portland, Oregon.
There's a band playing with us, and they were older than us.
We were, like, 22. They were probably 30. They were like, guys, be very careful here.
It's really dangerous.
There's a lot of drug dealers.
dan auerbach
Especially in the parking lot.
patrick carney
Especially in the parking lot.
Like, just be careful.
So we were like, fuck.
Okay.
We, like, got in our car and locked the door.
I'm like...
dan auerbach
Hunkered down.
patrick carney
Hunkered down, like, waiting.
We had, like, eight hours till we played.
And then we're, like, accidentally kind of just, like, staking out the fucking club.
And this guy who just warned us about this shit, he comes out and we watch him try to buy drugs.
The guy, like, literally, like, takes his money and just runs down the street.
Now the whole band's chasing this guy.
joe rogan
The guy who warned you.
patrick carney
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Of course.
That's how it always works.
dan auerbach
That was when we played at the Satyricon.
patrick carney
Yeah.
The Satyricon.
dan auerbach
The stage was carpet, and they'd had, like, clown wrestling the night before, so the carpet was all...
They had cake all in the carpet.
Just remember, it was like...
And there's nobody there.
Absolutely nobody there.
patrick carney
No one.
dan auerbach
In fact, two people walked in and then they left.
patrick carney
They walked in, they were like, got the fuck out of there.
That's apparently where, I guess that's where Kurt Cobain met Courtney Love was at that club.
joe rogan
Wow.
patrick carney
Yeah, it's no longer there.
But it had been there since the 60s.
Cream had played there.
Back in the day.
joe rogan
That is fucking nuts.
patrick carney
Yeah, we saw it on its...
Way out.
dan auerbach
Cream played a place that tiny?
patrick carney
Yeah.
dan auerbach
Doesn't even make sense.
patrick carney
I know.
dan auerbach
Wouldn't they have been huge by the time they came over?
patrick carney
I mean, it's surprising the size venues certain people were playing.
Like Hendrix used to play the Felt Forum a lot.
dan auerbach
We don't need to look it up.
joe rogan
Hendrix used to play the Whiskey.
patrick carney
Yeah, I mean, like, Hendrix would play the Felt Forum or something as Band of Gypsies.
That's only a couple thousand seats.
unidentified
Mmm.
joe rogan
When Phil Harmon was a kid, he was like, I think he was like 18, he was working at the Whiskey as like a stagehand.
And he had to keep his hands on the speaker that was on the stage because it was like a little kind of rockety.
And Hendrix was playing right in front of him.
He was 18 years old.
He was like, Hendrix is literally standing in front of me playing.
dan auerbach
Oh shit.
That's incredible.
patrick carney
He did a bunch of album covers, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, Hartman did a bunch.
We have one of them framed out here.
patrick carney
Oh, really?
dan auerbach
He was so fucking funny.
unidentified
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Oh, he's such a good dude too, man.
dan auerbach
What a horrible way to go.
joe rogan
Man, although I never saw that coming.
dan auerbach
Actually, honestly, I mean, he was asleep, so...
patrick carney
He was asleep?
dan auerbach
Yeah.
Horrible that he went.
joe rogan
Well, horrible, period.
The whole story's horrible.
patrick carney
It's insane.
joe rogan
My friend was a cop.
I had gotten over it, and I was getting ready to do stand-up again.
I took a couple weeks off.
I was like, there's no way I could be funny.
It's just like, it's not possible.
And then I decided to go to the comedy store.
I'm like, I gotta get back in there.
I just gotta live on with my life.
And so I'm in the gas station getting gas, and my friend pulls up who's a cop.
I knew him from Jiu Jitsu.
And I'm like, I go, what's up, man?
What are you doing?
And he goes, dude.
He goes, I'm really sorry about your friend.
He goes, I was on that.
I go, you were there?
He goes, phew.
He goes, listen, the mother took the children into the bathroom and she had a gun.
And that's when they decided to break down the door because they knew that she was going to shoot the kids and shoot herself.
And the cop broke down the door and the kids ran from their mother.
And then their mother blows her brains out.
patrick carney
Jesus.
joe rogan
Why my friend was there?
dan auerbach
Holy...
That was Phil Harmon's wife.
joe rogan
That was Phil Harmon's wife.
dan auerbach
Yeah, I heard she shot him in the head, in the throat, and in the chest.
joe rogan
Well, she was on Zoloft and apparently cocaine.
And they won some sort of a settlement with Zoloft.
Apparently when you mix Zoloft with cocaine, it's not good.
patrick carney
So this is a supplement, this is a cocktail that you don't want to...
joe rogan
You don't want that one.
patrick carney
You don't want that one.
joe rogan
You don't want the Bryn Hartman.
patrick carney
No.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's...
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
Yeah, but...
So I went on stage and ate shit.
patrick carney
Oh my God.
joe rogan
I mean, boy did I eat shit.
I mean, there was nothing funny coming out of my mouth.
I was so depressed.
I shouldn't have done the set.
I was so depressed.
I just was like, hearing that story, just like, bouncing around in my head.
dan auerbach
Were you talking about that at all?
unidentified
Or were you just trying to do yourself?
joe rogan
I did talk about it briefly.
I did, because I couldn't get over it.
I just was so fucked up by it.
dan auerbach
You didn't have any jokes together yet about it?
joe rogan
No, I never did.
I never could.
I mean, there's nothing there.
patrick carney
I wonder how you could sue a former school company because you had an adverse reaction for mixing it with an illegal substance.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I think they probably just paid some money just for everybody to shut the fuck up.
That's probably what they do.
You can't blame someone for taking something illegally with your drug when it probably specifically says don't do that.
But maybe they didn't know don't do that or you might fucking shoot someone in their sleep.
But I mean that lady was mean.
You know, it was particularly hard for me because I was trying to get him to break up with her multiple times.
He had left.
I told him to get divorced.
I'll never forget this.
I said, dude, just give her half.
Just give her half and get out.
You're always going to make more money.
Just get out, man.
And he said, it's not half.
He goes, it's two thirds.
The fucking lawyers get a third.
It's a goddamn scam.
But he was also freaking out about his image because he was a family guy and he didn't want to get divorced.
He wanted to keep everything intact.
So he would keep making up with her and she would insult him in public.
It was ugly, man.
It was ugly.
dan auerbach
It's crazy when people that you think are so big and powerful are being abused by their partner.
joe rogan
It's common.
dan auerbach
I know.
joe rogan
It's common.
dan auerbach
I know it is.
joe rogan
It's so strange.
unidentified
Why is that?
joe rogan
There's guys that you would never expect and they just get ran over in their house.
unidentified
What is that?
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
I think it has probably something to do with your childhood.
Probably something to do with what you've accepted in terms of what a relationship is.
The kind of relationships you have.
dan auerbach
I am talking about us.
joe rogan
Bro, it can happen.
patrick carney
How much humiliation you've gotten while on LSD. I think it evolves over time too, right?
joe rogan
Like some people, they get together with someone and then over time someone starts being a cunt.
Either the guy or the girl.
It's just like, you know, people change.
And if you're stuck with that person, especially if you have kids with that person.
patrick carney
Right.
joe rogan
Like Phil did.
dan auerbach
It's like, what do you do?
joe rogan
How do you resolve this?
patrick carney
How old were those kids when they had them?
joe rogan
They were very young.
patrick carney
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was horrible.
dan auerbach
Divorce in California is hard.
Sounds brutal.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's a lot better than your mom shooting your dad while he's asleep and then talking to you about how she's going to kill you.
patrick carney
Oh, much better.
Way better.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's definitely not good.
It's just like...
patrick carney
Dude, you see the divorce happen all the time where the wife gets a lot of money.
I've seen it happen the other way at one time, and it was Kelly Clarkson's husband.
He got a shitload of money, and all these divorced dads were posting, like, get that bag, King.
I just kept sending them to Dan.
I was like, dude, this is outrageous.
dan auerbach
This guy is our hero.
joe rogan
Get that back, King.
You remember when Mackenzie Bezos and Jeff Bezos got divorced?
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
Mackenzie made like $38 billion in divorce settlement, and then she married a high school science teacher.
So it was like a dude who's worth $3,200.
Just married a woman worth $38 billion.
I'm like...
Good luck for the rest of your life.
You better sit down when you take a piss, because if you leave that toilet seat up, it's over.
You've got to be on your best behavior, sir.
This is not a balanced relationship.
dan auerbach
Bezos has been seeing Dr. Feelgood.
joe rogan
You think so?
unidentified
He looks ripped, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, he looks a lot better than he used to look.
He looks like a completely different person.
patrick carney
Dude.
joe rogan
He's like jacked and wears nice clothes.
dan auerbach
I mean, yeah, seeing the old footage of him, just like hunched over nerd fucking character.
patrick carney
Elon Musk is kind of the same way too, just like looking.
dan auerbach
He looks like such different people.
patrick carney
Dude, a guy we know.
dan auerbach
Good, it's good.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's good.
It's definitely better.
patrick carney
A guy we know is one of the first 40 people hired at Amazon, working in Bezos' garage.
He was sent to Delaware to set up the first East Coast distribution center.
Dude, he was getting something crazy.
He got 40,000 shares of Amazon stock.
And only, like, 10,000 shares vested, and the rest would vest, this is, like, you know, late 90s, the rest would vest in 2005 or something.
But, like, when the dot-com bubble kind of burst in 2000, the value of his stock went from, like, 3 million potentially to 1, and he, like, quit the job before it vested.
And he cashed it all out basically for, like, you know, 750 grand.
And he ended up moving...
To Akron.
So we were buddies with this guy.
He bought all this recording equipment and stuff.
And he moved to Akron because it was so cheap that he was just kind of going to open a studio.
But if that stuff invested, he'd be worth like over $100 million.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
patrick carney
I know, dude.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
patrick carney
All he had to do was just work at that job for a few more years and just never touch that.
unidentified
Jeez.
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a hard one to swallow.
patrick carney
That's a hard one to swallow.
dan auerbach
Life lesson.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I heard a similar story about a guy who had Apple stock in the very early days.
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
And got rid of it.
For some fucking insane amount of money now.
Apple's such a bizarre company.
So bizarre.
They're so successful.
Like, what other company has figured out to be that...
So successful that...
The money that they have, just their cash, is like a trillion dollars.
It's like a lot of countries' GDPs.
patrick carney
Yeah.
dan auerbach
You know whose?
Rockstar Video Games.
patrick carney
Oh, yeah.
dan auerbach
Those guys are fucking crushing.
joe rogan
How much money do they make?
patrick carney
It's weird how you can protect a video game so thoroughly, but you can't protect much other intellectual property.
joe rogan
It's very hard to protect jokes.
Jokes get stolen all the time.
That's a real hard one.
patrick carney
Doesn't Apple just keep all their money in Ireland and not pay taxes?
joe rogan
That's what I would do if I was progressive.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
That's what I would do.
I'd talk about diversity and equity and then I'd fucking send all my money to some offshore account.
Get the fuck out of here.
You don't get none of this.
I'm the one who made the iPhone, you fucks.
Mine!
unidentified
Give me it all!
joe rogan
Wasn't Jobs was an LSD guy too?
Didn't he come up with the idea for Apple when he was on LSD? Oh really?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure he did.
Yeah, there's something about LSD that was about Jobs' inspiration to start Apple.
dan auerbach
We've been noticing people taking LSD a lot recently.
patrick carney
It's becoming very popular, the spray.
dan auerbach
The spray on the tongue.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Seems like it's getting around.
Yeah.
I've heard.
dan auerbach
Yeah.
We only had the LSD that you got from scary old hippies.
joe rogan
This is still from scary old hippies.
But apparently it's very difficult to make.
So when you get it, it's like, where did you get this?
Who's getting it?
Who's making it?
There's only a few people in the country, apparently, that know how to make acid.
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't think it's like growing weed.
unidentified
I think it's a complicated process.
patrick carney
My grandfather was a chemical engineer, and I have a bunch of his old textbooks.
And I'll get him out and show him to my son, because the math problems are just...
He's a really little kid, but he still understands that there's no numbers in these math problems.
It's just letters.
But I look at the stuff.
These books are from the 40s.
And I'm like, to get a PhD in chemical engineering in the 40s, you had to be really fucking smart.
There's no fucking calculator.
There's a slide ruler.
I mean, people must have been way smarter back then.
joe rogan
They probably were.
It probably meant a lot more.
patrick carney
Oh, yeah.
Those are the people that invented acid.
joe rogan
Yeah.
patrick carney
The people we have now invent bath salts.
joe rogan
Is that still a thing?
patrick carney
I don't know.
I was at a hotel and they had all the little accoutrement for the shower and one of them was bath salts.
And I was like...
dan auerbach
You said, I know what I'm doing tonight.
joe rogan
Most people don't even know what we're talking about.
Bath salts at one point in time was a thing that you could get in like a gas station.
And it would say bath salts not for human consumption, but it was like a kind of meth.
And what they had done is it engineered some amphetamine to be like one molecule different or something like that.
They can kind of do that weird little game.
patrick carney
It was like Delta 9. Methamphetamine 3. Right.
But the side effect was people would eat each other's faces.
joe rogan
That one guy did.
dan auerbach
Dude, did you see the fucking guy in Haiti?
The fucking gang leader?
patrick carney
Barbecue.
dan auerbach
Barbecue?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
dan auerbach
Eating the fucking charred calf?
joe rogan
Yeah, of a guy that they burned alive.
Yeah.
unidentified
Fuck.
Fuck.
patrick carney
Oh my god, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah.
dan auerbach
What the fuck?
joe rogan
Yeah, people need to see those videos, even though they're horrifying, just to understand there's people out there in the world.
Gang leader named Barbecue is now most powerful man in Haiti as US evacuates Americans.
So he's now the most powerful person in Haiti, the guy who ate that guy.
Boy, that's not good.
dan auerbach
Strapped.
joe rogan
What happened to Haiti?
patrick carney
I don't know.
joe rogan
Like, what was, was it a coup?
Like, what happened there?
I don't, I'm not...
dan auerbach
I heard it was two rival gangs that just shut the airport like a week and a half ago.
joe rogan
Yo, that's not good.
That's not good.
patrick carney
Nope.
joe rogan
They're evacuating Haiti?
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
That's crazy that, like, a modern country could just be taken over like that by a guy who eats people.
patrick carney
It's, yeah.
That video's fucked up.
joe rogan
That video's fucked up.
And the fact that that's his nickname?
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
His nickname is Barbecue?
dan auerbach
It's incredible.
It's like a South Park.
patrick carney
It's like Idiocracy.
dan auerbach
But, you know what it reminded me of is, we talked about this the other day, the Faces of Death videos.
Do you remember those things?
unidentified
Sure.
patrick carney
Yeah, like, you don't realize, like, only kids were watching those?
dan auerbach
I would love to see a documentary on, like, the making of Faces of Death.
Like, who made those?
patrick carney
So, growing up, making that for the kids was such a sick fuck.
dan auerbach
Who was making that shit in the 80s?
patrick carney
Yeah, dude.
Barbecue.
That's how you gotta start.
jamie vernon
Here's a note on the video that says it's been going around for over two years, and that has nothing to do with the current uprising.
patrick carney
Oh, okay.
dan auerbach
Oh, that's just old barbecue footage?
joe rogan
Is it not the same guy?
jamie vernon
Whoever's digging into this...
joe rogan
It says Times Now has not been able to independently verify the veracity of the video.
The man chewing what appears to be a finger and then proceeding to tear the flesh of a leg of a body that is burning.
dan auerbach
As soon as they get boots on the ground there, they'll figure it out for us.
unidentified
Yeah, they'll figure it out.
joe rogan
The video circulant at the time is a time when Haiti's notorious gang leader, Barbecue, is on his way to become the most powerful man in the nation.
So it seems like it is true.
They just have not been able to independently verify the veracity of the video.
Well, that is a problem today with AI. That could be horseshit.
That could be something that someone made.
I mean, you could probably get AI to say, I want a man who's a rebel soldier in Haiti eating a barbecued leg.
And I think AI can do that now, which is crazy.
patrick carney
Can we get AI to make a recipe that tastes like human flesh?
What if it's really good?
joe rogan
They say it tastes like pork.
They would call people long pork.
dan auerbach
First of all, who is they?
joe rogan
Cannibals.
They would call humans long pork.
patrick carney
Long pigs.
dan auerbach
Yeah, long pigs.
unidentified
That's what Jesse Ventura...
dan auerbach
Oh, he's talking about long pig.
patrick carney
Now, what's his face?
That comedian who does the Jesse Ventura impersonation that's just...
joe rogan
Will Sasso?
patrick carney
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's amazing.
patrick carney
I watched that for hours.
dan auerbach
He always talks about long pigs.
unidentified
He does the head bobble, too.
joe rogan
Will Sasso's amazing.
patrick carney
Dude, it's so funny, man.
joe rogan
It's so good, yeah.
It's amazing.
Yeah, Jesse Ventura, he's a fucking interesting character.
He lives in Mexico now.
patrick carney
What's his cocktail?
joe rogan
He's not good.
He's got Parkinson's.
When you're a pro wrestler and you're getting slammed around a lot, there's a high likelihood you're going to have severe brain trauma.
Those guys are getting beat up all the time.
Back then, they didn't know.
They didn't even know that you're getting CTE from that.
patrick carney
He went on the Theo Vaughn podcast, and Theo gives a disclaimer at the beginning, like, this is the worst interview that's ever been done.
joe rogan
Really?
patrick carney
Because I couldn't get a word in edgewise.
He's like, just know that I know that.
But if you watch it, it's an hour and a half of just him just going.
No break.
Really?
It's incredible.
joe rogan
So he just talks?
patrick carney
He just talks and it's just like, you know, it's like...
joe rogan
Minnesota.
What is he talking about?
patrick carney
Everything, like rock and roll.
It's like, he just doesn't stop.
There's no questions.
joe rogan
Really?
patrick carney
Yeah.
It's kind of crazy.
joe rogan
How weird.
patrick carney
It's worth watching.
joe rogan
I wonder if he knew who Theo was.
patrick carney
I don't know.
It didn't necessarily seem like it.
joe rogan
I did a podcast with him a long time ago, and he was fine.
He was interesting.
There's a lot of stuff that he did.
Remember that conspiracy show that he did?
He was trying to figure out whether or not Lee Harvey Oswald could have shot JFK. It's kind of funny.
He was one of the first conspiracy theory guys.
patrick carney
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It's like using this rifle, like making shots from the window, the whole deal.
patrick carney
The story is insane.
I mean, the whole story of him is crazy.
Green Beret.
joe rogan
Yeah.
patrick carney
Actor, wrestler.
joe rogan
Well, he's a UDT. He was one of the original series.
patrick carney
Insane.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He was awesome in Predator.
patrick carney
I don't have time to bleed.
Was that his line?
joe rogan
I don't know.
That might have been.
dan auerbach
Yeah, he had the good face paint in Predator.
joe rogan
That's another one of those movies.
Go watch it again.
You're like, what?
dan auerbach
Really?
unidentified
Yeah, it's ridiculous.
joe rogan
Those old movies that you loved as a kid are fucking terrible.
patrick carney
The only one that holds up is Goonies.
joe rogan
Goonies holds up?
dan auerbach
Oh, yeah.
patrick carney
Goonies holds up.
But I try to show this.
joe rogan
I ain't got time to bleed.
unidentified
You're bleeding, man.
I ain't got time to believe.
joe rogan
Well, that fucking guy was the governor of Minnesota.
patrick carney
I love that premise, though.
There's just this, like...
I mean, we need more movies about that.
Special Forces hunting down some alien life form in the jungle.
joe rogan
Did you see the newest Predator?
The newest Predator is actually good.
It's called Prey.
The Predator comes down to 1700s America.
patrick carney
Oh, I like that.
unidentified
That's cool.
joe rogan
And this Comanche woman.
Fights the Predator.
It's crazy.
It's ridiculous.
dan auerbach
But it's fun.
joe rogan
It's fun.
It's a fun movie.
But it's good.
When did that come out?
A couple years ago.
I think it's a Netflix movie, honestly.
Hulu?
It's a Hulu movie?
Hulu.
It's good.
It's fun.
dan auerbach
Prey.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The idea that you'd have a fucking chance.
patrick carney
You know, like, I've never made it through an Alien movie.
The Alien?
Alien?
joe rogan
Yeah?
Never?
patrick carney
No, it's just so excruciating and boring to me.
joe rogan
What about the first one?
patrick carney
Oh, I like, it's just...
There's no way anybody born after the year 2000s watched Alien.
Without looking at their phone.
If they have, it's like, they should get a medal.
joe rogan
Without looking at their phone!
patrick carney
Have you tried to watch that movie, The Abyss?
I've never tried to watch a movie more.
joe rogan
That's the one in the water.
patrick carney
Yeah, dude.
I'll look at my phone and be like, this has been going on for 45 minutes.
It seems like three days.
dan auerbach
I've never tried to watch one more.
That's amazing.
patrick carney
But you're right.
A lot of those movies, our attention spans were off the charts compared to what they are now back then.
joe rogan
Well, that's the people doing calculus on an abacus.
patrick carney
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
patrick carney
They had a lot of time on their hands.
joe rogan
Well, yeah.
You weren't being inundated with information.
You had more time on your hands.
And you probably were better at concentrating.
And they required you to concentrate at school at every level.
Whereas now they're just kind of like letting people graduate.
patrick carney
And you're creating a drug that gets you fucked up for eight hours.
unidentified
Yeah.
patrick carney
That's how much time you had.
joe rogan
Yeah.
patrick carney
Now it's like...
What's that weed people smoke?
They disassociate for like three minutes?
joe rogan
Ketamine?
patrick carney
No, it's like...
joe rogan
A weed they smoke?
patrick carney
Salvia or something.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Salvia divinorum.
patrick carney
That was really popular about 10 years ago, right?
joe rogan
Well, that was because it's a very potent psychedelic that somehow or another slipped by that 1970s sweeping psychedelics act.
And you could buy salvia, again, not for human consumption.
You'd be able to buy that places.
patrick carney
I had a buddy who, he had moved to Akron from San Diego.
He's this really cool dude.
And, you know, there weren't many, nobody I knew was really into drugs in Akron at the time.
But I think he was pretty druggy in San Diego.
But this guy, he was talking, he would always talk about drinking gypsum tea.
Have you ever heard of this?
joe rogan
No.
patrick carney
And he said that his girlfriend, His girlfriend made some, you can just find this stuff, you know, like, anywhere in California.
And it's gypsum weed.
And you make a tea, and then, like, his girlfriend started freaking out, started talking to, like, little people in the room.
And he drove her to the hospital, and the doctor was, like, instantly, like, did she have gypsum tea?
And he's like, yeah.
He's like, Dad, this is what always happens.
And she was seeing little blue people talking to them, like Smurfs.
joe rogan
Here's my question.
What if little blue people are around you all the time, you just don't detect them?
patrick carney
Well, I mean, how does everybody have the same trip off the drug?
Right.
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
Like, what if there's neighboring dimensions that are accessible through some drugs and some drugs let you see the blue people?
Like, what if that's like Smurfs?
The guy figured it out.
patrick carney
Well, yeah, I think once we were on here, we were talking about simulation theory.
But I was thinking, yeah, maybe if you can't process things with the human mind, like infinity or something, there's got to be some...
If it is a simulation, there's got to be some sort of code that you can put in.
That allows you to process it.
joe rogan
Well, one of the weird theories about all this UFO shit is that they're not coming from another planet.
They're coming from a neighboring dimension.
And it sounds stupid, but so does sending a video on your phone to Australia.
If you lived in 1956, you're like, what the fuck are you talking about?
If you pointed to a telephone and said, one day people are going to jerk off to that, you're like, what?
Yeah, you're going to have it in your pocket and you're going to watch porn on it.
Shut the fuck up.
Sounds ridiculous.
One day you're going to be able to travel in neighboring dimensions.
We'll crack this code and we're going to slowly start sending things to neighboring dimensions and having them return.
And then we're going to realize that human beings can survive there.
patrick carney
Yeah.
The whole UAP thing.
Yeah, it's been boggling my mind.
I mean, I've been into it since I was a little kid, but, you know, that one time, right after we were on the show the first time, I met Tom DeLonge from Blink-182.
He came to one of our shows in Denver.
He was so cool, and I was like, what's up?
And it was right after that first kind of pill-shaped thing had, like, officially been acknowledged by the Navy, and I was asking him about that, because he was, like, associated with that video.
And yeah, he's put me in a huge existential crisis right before we had to go play in front of like 12,000 people.
He was like, they're listening to everything.
They're cloaked.
There's thousands of UFOs.
Every single piece of text that gets sent is analyzed to create AI. The AI models, this is 2019, it's like the AI models they have would blow your mind.
He's like, it's something so profound it's gonna change the world forever in about 90 days.
This was October like 3rd, 2019. And I was like, You know, COVID was like, he's like, I can't tell you what, but it's going to change everything.
It's going to be so fucked up.
joe rogan
Tom DeLonge knew about COVID? I don't know, dude.
patrick carney
He told me that the world was going to be profoundly changed forever in a way that no one could understand in about 90 days.
And I was like, dude, the guy's really out there.
unidentified
And then like, dude, I was like, what the fuck?
joe rogan
And then you had to go on stage.
patrick carney
Yeah, well, dude, totally freaking out.
And then basically everything he told me has been true.
joe rogan
That's what's weird.
patrick carney
The AI, everything.
All the videos.
Flying saucers or whatever.
joe rogan
I had Ray Kurzweil in here yesterday.
patrick carney
Whoa, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, and I was asking him about the potential negative downsides.
What's the possible complications of AI? They don't want to talk about that.
They want, like, all on the gas.
This is going to be good.
Everyone's going to be smarter.
I'm like, are there guardrails out there?
Is there a regulatory body in the United States government that's even capable of understanding what these people are talking about?
dan auerbach
So what could be like a...
Example of a worst case scenario.
Weapon systems.
joe rogan
Weapon systems.
Weapon systems that are AI controlled that have an objective.
patrick carney
That's why don't they have like, aren't all the nuclear missiles or they were like, weren't they all offline so they can't get hacked and they're all operated by like a nine inch floppy disk from the 70s?
Like some absolutely.
joe rogan
There was something crazy like that.
patrick carney
It's some technology that like you've probably never even seen in your lifetime because it's so old.
joe rogan
Right.
I don't know if that's still the case.
But when I was first getting into computers, floppy disks were all you used.
patrick carney
But not the fucking big ones.
joe rogan
Oh, the big crazy ones?
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, the original ones.
patrick carney
And they hold like 256 kilobytes.
joe rogan
And that's enough?
patrick carney
That's enough to fucking blow up the world.
joe rogan
I mean, you look at how they dropped...
You ever seen the video of them using the Enola Gay, dropping the bombs off it?
It's so crazy.
dan auerbach
It's so crazy.
joe rogan
It's just like...
A propeller plane!
It's a fucking propeller plane!
Drops a nuke.
And then they had to get out of there.
Let's get out of here!
patrick carney
There it is.
joe rogan
Update complete.
U.S. nuclear weapons no longer need floppy disks.
patrick carney
When's that from?
joe rogan
Look at the size of that thing.
patrick carney
It's from, like, last year, probably.
joe rogan
The modernizing effort was quietly completed in June, three years ago.
Modernizing.
Look at those disks.
jamie vernon
October 29th.
joe rogan
Wow.
Well, that would make sense that that would be a good way that you would, like, make it hack-proof.
patrick carney
I don't know.
I prefer the analog sound of the analog nuke.
I'm a purist.
These digital nukes.
joe rogan
Yeah, and then now they've got hypersonic weapons that can change direction in flight with nukes.
patrick carney
Well, I think the stuff that AI is capable of when it comes to manipulating stock markets, it's too much to even think about for me.
joe rogan
Oh, it can do so much.
And this is what I kept saying.
If it's in the hands of the wrong people, what do you do?
Like, if one group gets control of AI and then uses that AI to take over.
Like, if you have artificial, like, complete intelligence that's sentient, and then you give it a task, They've already shown that these things are capable of lying.
Like, they tricked the CAPTCHA system by saying that they're vision impaired.
You know, that, are you a robot thing?
They said, actually, I'm vision impaired.
Like, oh, okay.
patrick carney
That's another movie from the 90s that doesn't get old is Terminator 2. That's a good one.
That's a good one.
There's a bunch of movies that got killed.
joe rogan
But they just have to be like really good movies, you know?
You could watch some movies from the 60s that are amazing.
The Hustler's amazing.
There's some great fucking movies that are old movies, but boy, a lot of them in the 80s, when everyone was doing coke, they're fucking terrible.
Horrible.
It was the weirdest.
You could literally see the drug not being there anymore.
So you see the things that they were doing in the 60s, the music in the 60s, the movies in the 60s, and then you see the 70s.
And it's like now, no one's doing psychedelics, and now the music is getting weird, and in the 80s, no one growing up doing that music has done psychedelics.
So in the 80s, you've got hair bands and craziness.
It's just like a totally different feel and vibe to the culture.
So if you were observing our culture, and you looked at the Vietnam War era, the 60s, the hippies, the music, Hendrix, the Doors, and then you go into the 80s, you go, what the fuck happened?
What the fuck happened?
This is crazy.
patrick carney
Yeah, you went from that to Flock of Seagulls.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And I ran.
unidentified
I ran so far away.
joe rogan
But it's a weird shift.
You go from that to Poison.
It's a weird shift.
dan auerbach
But at that point, that's when hip-hop got grimy.
joe rogan
That's true, too.
That's true, too.
Well, that's when hip-hop emerged, right?
Hip-hop got grimy in the 90s.
And then there's this fucking craziest of crazy theories that hip-hop was a CIA-funded operation.
It was designed to fill their prisons.
This is like the most recent of all of the...
Crazy, I hope it's not true, conspiracy theories.
dan auerbach
Never heard that.
joe rogan
The CIA funded the development of hip-hop.
patrick carney
Well, the CIA has good taste.
They've been funding a lot of great shit.
They need to drop something now because there's a lot of trash out there.
dan auerbach
We really got into this specific hip-hop in the last couple years that really only exists on YouTube.
Early 90s Memphis cassette tape rap.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
dan auerbach
It's not on Spotify.
It's not on anything.
It's It's only fan uploaded and it's like completely existed under the radar and I really didn't know about it.
Like Pat and I were just, you know, we're lifelong rap fans and it was crazy to like discover New shit that I'd never heard before.
Wow.
Like, maybe some of the best shit ever.
People like Tommy Wright III, 3-6 Mafia, Juicy J. We got really inspired by this guy, Lil Noyd, who made an incredible record called Paranoid Funk in the early 90s.
joe rogan
And you can only get it on YouTube?
dan auerbach
Only get it, yeah, you can only get these records on YouTube.
joe rogan
Lil Noyd, Paranoid Funk.
Jamie!
dan auerbach
They all sound amazing.
The Fidelity's all fucked up because they recorded in a weird way in bedrooms.
patrick carney
Like an 8-track cassette recorder.
It's like this really unique...
dan auerbach
And then they're all mixed down to cassettes.
So all the transfers are from cassette.
They have a specific sound.
It's fucking incredible.
patrick carney
Scary.
They sound scary.
dan auerbach
And a lot of it's real kind of murder involved.
And also like occult kind of shit.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
patrick carney
Yeah.
dan auerbach
And it's very slow.
Some of it's kind of demonic.
Some of it's a little demonic.
Damn.
patrick carney
There's like one or two songs that are from these guys that are on Spotify.
Lil Noyd has a song called Riding in the Chevy, which you can find on Spotify.
joe rogan
Somebody needs to turn these guys on to barbecue.
Barbecue needs to hear this music.
Demonic.
dan auerbach
No, we were making the record and we called Lil Noyd and we got in touch with him.
We found him.
He was in Memphis and he drove up and hung out with us and we got him on track.
We were hanging out for a year and a half making this record and we'd go DJ and shit.
Three in the morning, we'd be driving to the hotel and we'd always put on Lil Noid.
And we're like, man, what would it be like if we got Lil Noid in the studio?
And we fucking did it.
And it was incredible.
And we got Juicy J also to be on the track.
But we reached out to this guy, Tommy Wright III, who was like, these guys have made these incredible records.
joe rogan
So Lil Noid, he's got an Instagram.
patrick carney
Yeah, that's how we found him.
We sent him a message.
dan auerbach
Really nice guy.
patrick carney
His story's crazy because he made this album that's incredible.
dan auerbach
It's like a classic to me.
patrick carney
I think before it even came out, went to prison for seven years, his career got completely destroyed.
dan auerbach
And he was just a teenager.
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
patrick carney
But it was crazy because we had, you know, we hadn't heard anything really recent from him.
We had him come to the studio and within about, I guess, 30 minutes he had like two verses written and it sounded the same as it did in the 90s, you know, like those tapes.
And he was, you know, he's so nice and just like, he's also just like, you know, We kept asking for cash for various reasons.
We just kept giving him cash.
He's like, I gotta rent a car.
I need $600 cash.
dan auerbach
He was the shit.
joe rogan
That's cool that you got a hold of him.
That's pretty badass.
dan auerbach
It was really fun.
joe rogan
It's great that you put him on the album.
dan auerbach
We didn't expect to.
It was just a thing we tried, and it was like, fuck it.
I don't know.
We don't know what we're doing.
patrick carney
But he crushed it.
dan auerbach
And Juicy J put scratching on our...
We would never think to put scratching on one of our records, but...
That's what he heard when we sent him the track.
He put it on there.
joe rogan
There's something cool about those guys that are willing to make their own stuff in the middle of Memphis.
Figure it out.
Just put it together.
I love very small little projects where people are piecing things together.
patrick carney
I mean that's how so much of the music we like came together.
Stacks and high records were that.
dan auerbach
And Lee Scratch Perry.
They're like all just like very eclectic people who are doing it all themselves.
joe rogan
Completely DIY. Do you know Tonetta?
Have you heard of Tonetta?
patrick carney
I have not.
joe rogan
Tonetta's this guy in Canada.
I think he's in Toronto.
And he does everything like he was doing these YouTube videos.
And he does these videos and he put out an album.
I have this album and I can't get the full album on Spotify for some reason but you can get it on Apple.
But he has like a fucking, like a towel.
Has like a curtain behind him.
And he's playing the music and playing the track and singing.
Put on really big cock.
Because it's all freaky stuff.
He dresses up like a woman.
It's real weird.
You've got to see this.
Because it's...
Tonetta, a really big cock.
A really good cock.
jamie vernon
The music video that you want with it.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
You got it?
jamie vernon
It was just a still frame.
joe rogan
Okay.
jamie vernon
There's a documentary on YouTube about him, too.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
Oh, interesting.
So this guy, I found out about this guy.
Look at this guy.
unidentified
Got a really, really, really, really, really, really nice cock.
The kind that will make love rock.
All right.
joe rogan
No, keep going, bro.
But it's on YouTube.
jamie vernon
That doesn't matter.
joe rogan
It doesn't matter?
jamie vernon
No.
joe rogan
It's good, unfortunately.
God damn it.
dan auerbach
Everything's on YouTube.
joe rogan
Yeah, we get pulled or copied.
I want that guy to get more attention, though.
patrick carney
That video looks like it's, like, 30 years old.
joe rogan
It's probably...
patrick carney
Is he still alive?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't know.
When was that made?
jamie vernon
It was uploaded at least 10 years ago.
The most recent comment says, you're going to make this guy a rock star.
joe rogan
Oh, that was me.
I was trying back then.
It's fucking great.
patrick carney
I mean, it looks...
joe rogan
But the music is fun.
It's neat.
unidentified
It's a really, really, really, really, really sweet treat Man It's a really, really, really sweet treat I didn't want to see that goody trail That guy has a very prominent goody trail.
patrick carney
It reminds me of this band.
joe rogan
Oh, his stomach.
patrick carney
It kind of reminds me of the band.
Have you heard of the band The Frogs?
joe rogan
No.
patrick carney
I think they're from Milwaukee from the 90s, but it's kind of frog-esque.
joe rogan
Did they dress up like frogs?
patrick carney
They made some pretty insane songs.
joe rogan
Well, one of the fucking cool things about today, as opposed to when we were kids, is that you can instantaneously get music.
patrick carney
Oh, it's crazy.
joe rogan
It's so strange.
I mean, I remember very clearly the reaction to Napster.
And everybody freaked out over Napster.
I, you know, was thinking, like, you're not putting this genie back in the bottle.
Like, how are you going to...
Now that people know that they can use BitTorrent and they can download things for free and send things to people for free...
dan auerbach
Dude, we've been DJing, spinning records, 45s, you know?
Just, like, really getting back into collecting vinyl and obsessing and trying to find good copies of shit.
I've got this one song, Cumbia de Sal, that I play, kind of like every night we DJ. I put it on the other night in New York City, and this girl came up to me.
She's like, I heard that in a restaurant this week.
I was like, God damn it.
patrick carney
Is it a possibly rare 45?
Just anybody now can have access to it.
It's actually inexcusable to have bad taste in music now.
If you have bad taste in music...
joe rogan
Right.
patrick carney
I mean, the amount of money I spent as a teenager on stuff that turned out to be horrible...
Because you couldn't check it out at all.
And I'd just be like, I would just buy a record based on the cover, based on someone talking about it.
And I'd just be like, this is fucking horrible.
dan auerbach
Back when I was a kid.
joe rogan
Oh, you'd go to the record store.
And the people at the record store was always the thing.
The guys working there would always shit on your taste.
They were always real pompous record store people.
dan auerbach
It was all the coolest fucking people.
joe rogan
They wanted to be the person who did dates.
dan auerbach
That's why we wanted to work there.
patrick carney
But then the crazy part is when you get older and you realize what fucking losers those people were.
You're like, I thought that person was cool and they're fucking 25 making minimum wage at a fucking record store.
What a fucking loser.
joe rogan
It was the attitude they carried.
They were like a librarian.
unidentified
You're like, oh, I only listen to Stockhausen.
patrick carney
Stockhausen.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm only interested in European music.
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't dig what America's doing these days.
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, you would go and look through albums.
That was a big thing.
Like, the art of the album was a big part of the experience of buying a record.
dan auerbach
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Big part that just died.
It died with the CD. CD is, like, so small.
So it's like looking at something on a flip phone.
dan auerbach
It's always fucking broken.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The case is always cracked.
dan auerbach
Goddammit.
joe rogan
Right?
They're always dropping cases.
patrick carney
I mean, I can't even...
dan auerbach
Or you keep them in those big, giant books when they're all fucking scratched.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Yep, they get scratched.
And I even bought a cleaner thing that you would polish the top edge to remove a lot of scratches.
dan auerbach
We had a book when we were on tour, but we had this Credence CD. It was gold.
It was supposed to sound better.
Remember that?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan auerbach
It was a gold CD? It's a gold CD. I don't know.
joe rogan
Is this supposed to sound better?
patrick carney
Yeah.
I was just thinking about looking at an album cover now on Spotify.
I don't even know if I would recognize certain album covers from new stuff full size.
unidentified
What do you mean?
patrick carney
I don't know.
My eyes are bad or something.
joe rogan
One thing that Spotify does that's cool is if there's a music video that goes along with the song, you see the video on the phone.
So if you want to watch a song, you have to see the artist actually play the song.
patrick carney
Yeah, we've made some of these, because we have that image on our record covers, a woman bowling her rear end.
I found these videos like a year and a half ago.
They're just like really offensive bowling animations.
Like when someone would get a strike, so it's like a bowling ball.
It's like Lee Harvey Oswald executing the pin, which is JFK. There's some really insane ones, but we had the guy that made those two.
dan auerbach
So we hired that guy.
patrick carney
We have one like This Is Nowhere, the newest song.
Yeah, the bowling ball takes acid.
It's pretty good.
They're not nearly as good as the really offensive ones.
dan auerbach
Our publicists won't let us be offensive.
joe rogan
The really offensive ones?
What do you mean?
patrick carney
Well, it's like, yeah, there's like a 9-11 bowling ball.
unidentified
They're so insane.
patrick carney
You know, when you make a strike in a modern bowling alley, they have the ball...
joe rogan
A little animation.
patrick carney
A little animation.
You should find maybe...
jamie vernon
Some of the ones I was looking up aren't real.
unidentified
There's people that have made slightly offensive bowling animations.
patrick carney
None of them are real.
They're just...
joe rogan
This is the 9-11 one?
9-10.
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
patrick carney
The Lee Harvey Oswald one's very good.
joe rogan
Yeah, you could still be offensive at a bowling alley, though.
Think about the people that bowl.
Their tolerance for offensive jokes is probably pretty high.
dan auerbach
They welcome it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Bowlers?
There's no pretentious bowlers.
patrick carney
I don't think so.
joe rogan
No.
patrick carney
There's this restaurant in Akron called Luigi's.
It's like, you know, one of the oldest restaurants there.
It's this old Italian joint that's been there since the 40s.
And the whole wall is just plastered with these, you know, promo photos from the black and white promo photos that are signed.
And it's all professional bowlers.
Like, it's crazy.
You'd be like, bowling must have been just massive in Akron in the 50s.
These guys were celebrities coming in.
It's like...
joe rogan
Oh my God.
Oh my God.
unidentified
So fucked up.
joe rogan
Oh, this is so fucked up.
patrick carney
Jesus.
unidentified
It's a JFK bowling pin.
joe rogan
He takes it out.
unidentified
Oh my god.
joe rogan
That's insane.
patrick carney
This one's great.
joe rogan
What is this one?
patrick carney
It's like Desert Storm.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
unidentified
Oh Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
The bowling ball guns down the terrorists and leaves one terrorist running?
So it's a bowling ball with a fucking terrorist outfit on?
Oh, Jesus Christ.
Oh, my God.
A pin on each side split is Jesus.
Oh, my God.
jamie vernon
Shout out to the Corridor crew.
Those guys also make those fake robot videos we get from YouTube all the time.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
jamie vernon
They're really good digital artists.
joe rogan
Damn.
patrick carney
That's hilarious.
dan auerbach
Yeah, we used those guys.
joe rogan
Which ones the publicist wouldn't let you do?
patrick carney
I mean...
dan auerbach
No, she was telling us what not to say and what to say today.
joe rogan
Oh, today?
dan auerbach
We told her we're fucking 44-year-old men.
joe rogan
They tell you what to say and not to say?
That's hilarious.
dan auerbach
It's hard enough to just talk.
joe rogan
God, that's hilarious.
dan auerbach
Can't be thinking about what I can and cannot say.
joe rogan
Don't bring up vaccines.
Don't talk about the climate.
patrick carney
Actually, the last time we came on the show, right before we came on, we had a different publicist and they were like, you really should reconsider.
It's a very bad look to go on Rogan.
dan auerbach
Yeah.
patrick carney
Insane.
dan auerbach
Yeah.
patrick carney
But we realized, actually, it's a bigger audience than anything else we possibly would ever be presented from the publicist.
Even Rolling Stone magazine, I think the circulation's maybe 600,000 or something.
No one sees it.
Do you know who was on the cover of Rolling Stone this month?
joe rogan
No.
It's not what it used to be.
patrick carney
No.
joe rogan
It's just, it's weird now.
patrick carney
It's very weird.
dan auerbach
Imagine a publicist suggesting we don't do Brogan.
joe rogan
Well, it's liberals.
They're crazy.
Hardcore leftist ideologists have this really bizarre idea in their head.
patrick carney
What do you think is going to happen with the...
The election this year.
unidentified
Didn't your publicist tell you not to talk about that?
patrick carney
I was joking.
I keep getting these texts from the Democratic Party like, are you going to vote for Joe Biden?
I'm like, why would they be sending that text?
unidentified
They must, you know, they must know.
dan auerbach
They must.
unidentified
Want to hear the craziest story I heard today?
joe rogan
So Candace Owens released this video in which she says that the president of France, who is married to a 70-year-old woman who he met when he was 15, that that woman is actually a man.
And that woman fathered five children, and apparently she's saying there's some journalists have reported on this.
This is like some theory that people have had forever, and it's been a rumor, but these people actually investigated it?
And she said, I stake my entire reputation on this.
This is true.
dan auerbach
Dude, I want to go on an island.
I want to move to an island.
patrick carney
Be careful which island.
We've been over this.
joe rogan
But if that's true, that is one of the most wild stories of all time.
That the president is married to a woman who's pretending she's a woman.
patrick carney
It's even wilder than him being married to a woman that was his teacher that he was fucking at 15. At 15, yeah.
It's the only way you can make it more wild.
unidentified
It's...
joe rogan
It's crazy.
Because if that was a man, did he know at the time when he was 15?
You're 15, you're probably not good at judging whether or not someone's got a real one or something that's been doctored up.
dan auerbach
That's a good point.
joe rogan
It is a good point, except now I'm correcting myself, because I'm saying, what kind of fucking trans operations were they doing back then?
We were talking about 40 years ago.
dan auerbach
Only a 15-year-old virgin could really get fooled by it.
joe rogan
Yeah, 15-year-old, you have no idea.
And then this person's, like, much older than you, so they're really good at manipulating you.
This is the only pussy for you.
Yeah.
The only one.
Forever.
I'm with you.
patrick carney
I have not heard this conspiracy.
joe rogan
It's a wild one.
dan auerbach
I love it.
joe rogan
I love a good one.
I love a good what the fuck story.
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
There's so many Big Mike ones.
They think that Michelle Obama is actually a man.
It's hilarious.
It's like...
It just takes on a life of its own.
No matter how ridiculous something is, it takes on a life of its own.
Yeah, so that's the...
dan auerbach
Oh, come on, man.
joe rogan
That's the woman he's married to.
And so that's the daughter published his first novel, addresses mean comments about her mother.
Wow.
She looks like a woman to me.
But I've been tricked before.
unidentified
She looks like an Olsen twin.
joe rogan
Like a well-cared-for Olsen twin who made it to 70. She looks like a woman.
But Candace Owens takes her reputation on this.
Daily Wire host Candace Owens takes her entire professional reputation on French First Lady being a man.
This is just wild!
dan auerbach
She just knows her audience, man.
joe rogan
This is wild shit!
patrick carney
Didn't she just have another kid?
Maybe she's got some hormone imbalance.
joe rogan
Postpartum?
patrick carney
Yeah, it sounds like postpartum.
joe rogan
But she was saying this.
She was talking about someone else's reporting of this.
She's not like she's done this investigative journalism herself.
Some other group.
Who's written the piece on it that she was talking about where they investigated this?
Apparently for a long time.
patrick carney
The longer you investigate, what if you're a bad investigator?
That's true.
We could be investigating something for decades, but it doesn't mean it's better researched.
We've been investigating hit songs for 20 years, and we've never had one.
We've yet to have one.
joe rogan
That's not true, though.
You guys have read it.
patrick carney
I mean like a technical hit, like something that's charted in the top 40. Oh, those fucking charts.
joe rogan
How do they know now?
With everybody streaming shit, how do they know?
How do they know?
patrick carney
What goes on the chart?
I don't know.
joe rogan
Is it sales?
Is it radio plays?
patrick carney
I think it's a combination of sales and radio play.
Streams and radio play.
It's weird, you know?
You can just have some idiotic thing that hits on TikTok and you can have...
I saw an artist today.
They have like 15 million monthly listeners.
They've released two minutes of music.
But we've put out whatever, like 12 albums over 20 years.
They have two and a half million more listeners than we do.
So instantly.
joe rogan
Instantly.
patrick carney
It's crazy.
It's cool.
joe rogan
Well, it's interesting to watch it happen because this is a new thing.
It's a new thing with TikTok and YouTube and all these different things.
These social media hits.
Very weird.
It's weird to watch.
patrick carney
It's really weird to watch.
joe rogan
It's weird to watch, and if there's the option for this instant success, then people try to do whatever that person did, or a version of what that person does, and more and more outrageous, like all these people pulling pranks.
Someone's gonna get killed.
People have gotten close to being killed.
Some guy pantsed this dude, and the guy's gun dropped out of his sweatpants outside of this hip-hop place.
Yeah, what?
dan auerbach
He pants a dude at a hip-hop show.
joe rogan
And his fucking gun falls out?
And you're filming it?
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yo!
dan auerbach
I don't know, man.
They've been saying that for years.
Ever since Jackass.
Even before that, probably.
joe rogan
That's true.
dan auerbach
I mean...
We're fucking humans.
We're always gonna kill ourselves.
Because we're so stupid.
patrick carney
I mean, didn't, like, Johnny Knoxville, like, fuck up his dick?
joe rogan
Yeah, he broke his dick.
dan auerbach
Yeah, he, like, filleted it in his fucking chest.
joe rogan
Yeah, what did he do to break his dick?
I forget.
patrick carney
I think he was trying to flip a motorcycle.
And he let go of it or something.
joe rogan
That guy's been punched by Butterbean.
So many things have gone wrong.
dan auerbach
He's one of the nicest LA celebrities.
patrick carney
Very nice.
joe rogan
He seems awesome.
unidentified
Yeah, he's awesome.
dan auerbach
He's a cool-ass dude, and his wife's really nice, too.
joe rogan
But the fact that even after being a movie star, he's still willing to go to bowl, launch him through the air, blindfolded.
So he had to use a catheter for three and a half years.
patrick carney
Jesus.
dan auerbach
Whoa.
joe rogan
Yeah, he landed on his crotch.
The bike flew into the air and landed on his crotch.
Oh my god.
Oh, so it works.
Yay.
His dick works.
patrick carney
Somebody that works for us was just talking about how they had to have a catheter and they kept getting hard on it.
dan auerbach
So they had to grease it before they went to bed.
joe rogan
Imagine if that's their thing now.
It becomes like a fetish, like a foot fetish.
patrick carney
Exactly.
It's like the sexual cannibal.
joe rogan
Imagine trying to bring that up with a lady.
Trying to say, well, there's this thing I like to do.
I put a tube down.
patrick carney
She'll have a tube.
joe rogan
Wait, what?
She was open for anal.
Like, what are you saying?
What are you trying to do to me?
Where's the tube go when it's inside of me?
What if it gets stuck in there?
No!
patrick carney
It's just for me.
joe rogan
Fuck me with a tube in your dick, you psycho.
dan auerbach
Oh my god.
joe rogan
It's only like a little piece of the tube.
I won't go in all the way.
What?
And then the tube ends up getting stuck in there like that sea turtle where they have to pull the straw out of his nose.
patrick carney
Oh my god, man.
joe rogan
He gets a little too excited and he rams it in too hard.
Shit!
Fuck!
dan auerbach
It's horrible, too, because there's fucking tears coming out of the turtle's eyes.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
It's just like...
Oh, that video.
dan auerbach
It's the worst video.
joe rogan
That video ruined straws.
dan auerbach
Yeah.
joe rogan
Now straws are all paper.
patrick carney
That's why the straws went...
joe rogan
100%.
patrick carney
Okay.
joe rogan
Without doubt.
dan auerbach
Fucking hate those...
joe rogan
Come on.
Because if it's really for...
dan auerbach
Those cardboard straws are the worst soggy straw.
joe rogan
If it's really for just animals, we would have gotten rid of bottle caps a long time ago.
Bottle caps are one of the biggest problems with birds.
Birds eat these fucking bottle caps.
They don't know what they are.
And so they find these plastic floating bottle caps and wind up eating them.
There's like videos of these...
They've done autopsies on these birds where they open them up and their stomachs are filled with bottle caps from like plastic bottles.
So the idea that you should use a paper straw in a fucking bottle that we have a cap.
What about the caps?
What about the wrapping the paper straw comes in?
Shut the fuck up.
It's one video.
One video of a turtle.
It has to be.
Because here's the other thing too.
If you have a paper straw, I guarantee there's a coating inside of that paper straw.
That has to keep the straw from turning into mush.
What's that coating made out of?
Is it worse for you than plastic straws?
I have a feeling it probably is.
Like, what's in that fucking coating?
Let's find that out.
Find that out, Jamie.
What is in the coating in paper straws?
Because it can't be good for you.
patrick carney
It could just be wax.
joe rogan
I hope it's wax.
patrick carney
Dude, speaking of that, do you know anybody that actually enjoyed waxed lips?
joe rogan
The little liquor inside of him?
patrick carney
Yeah, like, what the fuck was that?
joe rogan
What's in it there?
Most common used coating material for paper straws are polyethylene PE or acrylon resin.
The same material is used for making plastic bags and adhesives.
Paper cups are also coated with the same materials as paper straws.
Okay, is that shit bad for you?
dan auerbach
So you're sucking on a plastic bag.
joe rogan
You're sucking on polyethylene or acrylic resin is what you're sucking on.
So here's the question.
How much of that gets in your system from that?
Because we know that there's microplastics that are in everybody's body.
You're getting microplastics all the time.
So is this shit bad for you?
What is the side effects of this stuff?
Does it say, Jamie?
Side effects?
Let's try that.
Side effects in humans.
Is it safe?
Burning sensation in eyes.
Polyethylene has been extensively reviewed by regulatory authorities and determined to be non-hazardous by normal routes of exposure, including skin contact, inhalation, and ingestion.
patrick carney
That's from the chemical company.
joe rogan
Okay, here it says, exposure to high doses of polyethylene was found to decrease cell viability and increase the production of reactive oxygen species in cell mitochondria, which are vital energy producing organellas.
dan auerbach
So it's good for you.
joe rogan
It seems like it's not good for you to get a lot of it, but they're saying it's okay in the doses they're giving you, It's been shown to have adverse effects on cells, exposure to high doses of it.
So if exposures that are high doses of it are bad for you, what is this?
How bad for you is exposed to low doses?
Is it accumulative?
Does it build up in your body?
patrick carney
It must just hang out in your liver or something.
joe rogan
Like, what are those forever chemicals that everyone's terrified of?
Right?
There's, like, certain forever chemicals that are coatings of things that can get into your body.
What does that mean?
Because people say that all the time.
Like, these things have, like, BPAs.
They're forever chemicals.
unidentified
Right, right.
patrick carney
Maybe, like, the half-life is just incredibly long.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
PFAS, that's what it is.
Forever chemicals found in tap water.
Jesus Christ.
PFAS are per- and polyfluorinated akyl substances known as forever chemicals, are a large chemical family of over 10,000 highly persistent chemicals that don't occur in nature.
Oh great.
unidentified
They don't occur in nature, but we know how to make them.
joe rogan
PFOA and PFOS are found in items ranging from cookware and paper food packaging to personal care products, carpeting and firefighting foam, and provide stain resistance.
PFOA is a suspected endocrine disruptor and possible carcinogen, and PFOS has been linked to fertility problems.
We are fucking poisoning ourselves.
patrick carney
Oh, man.
joe rogan
We are poisoning ourselves.
I had this lady on.
Her name is Dr. Shanna Swan, and she wrote a book called Countdown, and it's all about all these different microplastics and chemicals getting into our bodies and the effect that it's having on human development.
It's bananas.
patrick carney
I bet.
I mean, I remember going through my grandfather's garage as a kid and just seeing, like, this is in the 80s.
DDT? Well, my mom used to keep DDT in our basement.
joe rogan
No way!
No way!
patrick carney
But he would have all the stuff that was definitely illegal by the 80s, you know, like whatever chemicals and spray shit.
That shit, I mean, I'm sure there was such crazy...
dan auerbach
That's how my grandpa died.
He was a handyman and a yard guy and had his own company.
And, you know, for every job he would take the fertilizer in the bucket, put the water in, he'd put his hand in and he'd stir it up.
And, yeah, he had just bone cancer everywhere.
patrick carney
It's like Roundup or whatever.
dan auerbach
Yeah, it was just the common thing he got at the hardware store.
patrick carney
Dude, I've heard horse strays about people, golfers, who keep their tees in their mouth.
Because the shit they put on the golf course is fucking horrible.
joe rogan
I've heard that too.
Jamie, you're a golfer.
Do you know of anybody who got sick from doing that?
dan auerbach
What is it?
joe rogan
I knew a dude who lived next to a golf course and from drinking groundwater got bone cancer.
Not just him, but a bunch of people in his neighborhood to the point where there was some sort of a class action lawsuit.
This dude had a fake femur.
He had like a rod because he developed cancer in his femur.
patrick carney
Dude, they paint the grass and shit.
They put all this crazy...
dan auerbach
That's why becoming a new parent nowadays is such madness.
Because you start to investigate this shit and it's fucking crazy.
joe rogan
The fear is it just continues to get worse.
It's not getting better.
And there's more of these kind of chemicals and things that are introduced into our lives.
And as industrial...
Agriculture grows.
And regenerative agriculture is more difficult to do.
And it's sort of niche.
It's scarier and scarier.
patrick carney
You start going down the rabbit hole.
What is it?
The chemicals from antidepressants don't deteriorate.
Now you can find them in tap water.
joe rogan
Yeah, you find them in piss.
People piss them out.
jamie vernon
A rare snopes true.
I don't know about how much it happens, but it happened for sure.
joe rogan
Okay, it says, Navy Lieutenant George M. Pryor, 30, played 36 holes of golf at the Army-Navy Country Club in Arlington, Virginia.
Even before the last hole, Pryor was complaining of a headache.
By nightfall, he was feverish and nauseated and had developed a rash.
Four days later, Pryor was in Bethesda Naval Hospital with 104.5 degree fever, his body covered in blisters.
He died 10 days later after a toxic substance had burned the skin from 80% of his body.
And caused his major organs to fail.
The toxic substance was determined to be daconil, an FDA-approved fungicide that had been sprayed on the Army-Navy golf course twice a week.
Prior apparently had hypersensitivity to the chemical used in the fungicide, causing a severe allergic reaction.
His widow filed a $20 million lawsuit against the manufacturer, Diamond Shamrock Chemical Company.
The lawsuit was eventually settled out of court.
Wow.
patrick carney
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
Whoa.
dan auerbach
Heavy.
joe rogan
Whoa.
Just putting a T in your mouth.
patrick carney
I think the Bill Murray character in Caddyshack, I think he's affected by the golf course chemicals.
joe rogan
Well, it kind of makes sense.
It doesn't really make sense if you have that much grass.
How do you have all that grass?
What are you doing to keep that grass happy?
dan auerbach
We hung out with Bill Murray last week.
joe rogan
What was that like?
dan auerbach
He introduced us on stage.
It was fucking amazing.
joe rogan
He introduced you on stage?
dan auerbach
And then he jumped on stage and started playing bongos while we were playing Lonely Boy.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
That's amazing.
dan auerbach
He's...
Man, he's just like...
How old is he?
I think he was born in 1950. He's 74. He's just fucking fast, smart.
He hasn't slowed down at all.
joe rogan
I heard he doesn't have a phone that you have to call an answering machine.
dan auerbach
He's just whip-smart.
joe rogan
1950, BAM, son!
On the nose.
patrick carney
That was three for three.
joe rogan
That's four.
That was the fourth, right?
dan auerbach
That was just so fast, you know what I mean?
joe rogan
Was that the third one?
dan auerbach
He was really nice.
patrick carney
Yeah, I'm a super fan of Bill Murray.
And I'm actually just too nervous to even speak to him the first time I met him.
I sat right behind him.
Actually, my brother sat right behind him, and I sat right behind his brother at Game 7 of the World Series in Cleveland when the Cubs beat the Indians.
And it was amazing.
But I was too nervous to talk to him.
My brother, of course, hit him on the shoulder.
I was like...
Bill said something sassy to him.
His brother had the font on his phone at like 72 point.
I could read it from behind him.
And at one point he was texting someone who said, what's the score?
I'm too drunk to read the scoreboard.
unidentified
That's hilarious.
patrick carney
That's hilarious.
I think about this a lot.
Watching sports in the 80s when I was a kid.
How do we even see the television?
Because the TV would be this big.
And you watch the footage on YouTube now, did it look better on TV back then?
Because you can't even see what the fuck's happening.
joe rogan
You're probably getting copies of copies, so maybe it's deteriorated.
But the television quality back then was awful.
patrick carney
I'm trying to think, did anybody actually watch any...
My dad used to always just listen to the games, and I'm like, probably it was better than watching the fucking thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, I wonder.
I wonder how good the cameras even picked up high-speed motion and shit, right?
Because it's all just film cameras, right?
Wouldn't the exposure vary depending on what you're focusing on?
dan auerbach
Yeah, old basketball footage is pretty trash.
unidentified
Let me see what that looks like.
joe rogan
Old basketball.
Let's watch some basketball from like the 50s.
patrick carney
Let's watch it from the 80s.
You won't be able to see anything.
The 80s.
The 50s probably looks good.
dan auerbach
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
The 80s.
Let's try basketball from the 80s.
Yeah, they didn't have digital cameras.
Big difference.
dan auerbach
Look at that shit.
patrick carney
You can barely see what's happening.
joe rogan
Well, they would be able to focus on people's faces.
patrick carney
But like when you're watching guys run and they change their distance, Maybe that's why Wheaties were so popular in the 80s, because it's the only time you can clearly see the basketball players.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
dan auerbach
Look at that footage.
patrick carney
Dude, you can't make out anybody's face.
unidentified
Yeah, everything was so low resolution.
patrick carney
You either have to have Sports Illustrated or Wheaties to tell who's fucking playing sports.
joe rogan
Yeah, the resolution's awful.
dan auerbach
All of the 80s footage is like this.
joe rogan
You could recreate this in AI like that.
No problem.
patrick carney
Imagine trying to shoot a real UFO with a camera like this, trying to show it to you.
No man, I saw this shit.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen anything?
patrick carney
You know, I saw something once and it was right after 9-11.
And it was weird because I'd seen this fireball kind of go through the sky like a day or two earlier.
This was all during the no-fly period of time.
Right after 9-11.
But what I saw that was...
I still don't know what the fuck it was.
I was driving my girlfriend from Akron.
She went to school at the time.
She was going to Oberlin.
It's a really liberal school out in the middle of nowhere in Ohio.
And I was driving out there.
And it's on the way towards the FAA... Headquarters is in Lorain or Elyria, Ohio.
That's where they monitor all the flights for North America or for the United States.
Anyway, I was driving out there and I saw this thing hovering over a house.
I took note because there was no fly zone.
It looked like a helicopter or something because there was a light coming down but no other lights.
But it was like only 100 feet above this house in the middle of nowhere, right along the same stretch of road where I had seen this fireball a couple days earlier.
And I was driving a stick shift Ford Escort and I put it in neutral and rolled down the windows as I got closer and there was like no sound coming from this thing.
And my girlfriend had like one of those Nextell phones, the early cell phone, and she turned it on because you should call someone.
Call the police or something.
This is insane.
And the minute the screen turned on, this thing just took off.
It didn't go thousands of miles an hour, but it went really, really fast.
It made no sound.
It just was like...
That's the only thing I've ever seen.
But I still don't know what the fuck it was.
But you see weird shit, like, in Ohio, because there's Wright-Patterson Air Force Base there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
patrick carney
One time I was driving, we were on tour, I was driving us in the right, like, the tree lines on the side of the road, and, like, I'm just driving, and the Harrier just, like, pops up.
You know, those planes that can kind of just pop up, like, right maybe 100 yards from the road.
But, yeah, that's where they apparently keep the alien corpses, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what they supposedly flew the wreckage from Roswell, New Mexico to write Patterson Air Force Base.
patrick carney
It's a good place to keep it because I'm from Ohio and I've never actually been into Dayton, Ohio.
unidentified
Just the outside of Dayton.
joe rogan
If they do still have that there, that's really rude.
You should let people see that.
If you guys really did find a fucking crashed UFO, how about a little heads up?
It's rude.
It's rude that they've had it for so long.
People go to their grave just guessing.
patrick carney
They say that apparently the recovered materials and stuff, in order to not have to turn it over to the public, they keep giving it to private defense contractors.
joe rogan
Really?
patrick carney
That's who holds the materials.
I think that's what's good.
joe rogan
Well, I would imagine, if I was the government and I had a crashed UFO, That's why I bring it to the private defense contractors.
They're already good at keeping secrets.
They already know how to make your weapons.
And they know how to do stuff that you don't know how to do.
They're doing it for you.
It's not like the fucking government themselves makes the missiles.
They hire people to make the missiles.
patrick carney
There's this massive building in Akron called the AirDoc.
It was built in the late 20s.
So they could build blimps.
They used to build all the blimps in Akron.
dan auerbach
It's incredible.
Looks like Star Wars.
patrick carney
I mean, it's fucking nuts.
dan auerbach
Because it's right in the middle of a neighborhood.
patrick carney
It rains.
It has its own atmosphere.
It rains inside there.
It's the most ominous-looking structure.
It's so fucking long and big.
Holy shit!
That's so big!
You can see it from the whole south side of the city.
But now they have this crazy perimeter around it.
It's Lockheed Martin, I think, controls it.
And I'm like, what the fuck are they building in there?
But you can't get close to it.
You can't get close at all.
joe rogan
What they're building there is probably minor league stuff.
The stuff they build out in the middle of nowhere in the desert carved into the mountain, that's the scary shit.
patrick carney
That's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
I think most of what people are seeing is a government aircraft.
Either a drone or something.
patrick carney
That's why they won't even acknowledge the hypersonic missile.
They just announced that they're discontinuing research on the hypersonic missile when clearly they must be fully operational.
joe rogan
Yeah, I wouldn't imagine they would tell us.
Like, they don't have to.
That's one of the most incredible things about the way the government works, is that the amount of money that they get—that was the argument for the reason why this hasn't been disclosed.
Like, the government doesn't want to come out and say—it was the money allocation.
Like, you had to have lied to Congress about where the money was going.
patrick carney
Well, someone was saying it's like the opposite of brinkmanship.
There's weapons that exist that if other countries knew they existed would just be such a fucking threat that it would cause the idea that someone had something that no other country had, that you could wield that kind of weapon.
So there's these weapons that get invented that have to remain top secret because it would just upend the whole fucking power structure.
joe rogan
Damn.
Well, if that's what those fucking drones are, that makes sense.
If the whole power structure would get...
I mean, how would it not get upended by something that doesn't rely on conventional propulsion and moves insane in a way that, like, it's not even physically possible?
No sound?
That Tic Tac thing?
Like, if that thing is ours, and they've had it since 2004?
patrick carney
Right, imagine what they're...
Yeah, at now.
And also...
joe rogan
Yeah, what are they making now?
patrick carney
But I'm sure that AI stuff is just...
That's the weapon that, like, I'm sure...
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they're also developing quantum computing, which will apparently, like all passcodes, all that nonsense, it's all out the window now.
It'll be able to sort all that out really quick.
patrick carney
Yeah, I mean, that's what, yeah, I think things are going to get progressively more insane over the next decade.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're going to get fucking real weird.
patrick carney
Yeah, exponentially crazy.
joe rogan
Real weird.
patrick carney
Yeah.
But I, yeah, Dan and I are always talking about why are all these billionaires building bunkers?
unidentified
Like, what the fuck?
dan auerbach
We looked at some bunkers.
joe rogan
Did you?
dan auerbach
For sale.
joe rogan
But you want to live, though.
dan auerbach
You'd be surprised what you can find.
patrick carney
Like the old missile silos.
dan auerbach
Really cool, furnished, fully furnished.
joe rogan
If we go back to full-on Mad Max days, like if there's a nuclear war, what are you coming back to?
What's going to be left?
patrick carney
Well, I tell you what we have to do is take acid, praise each other, and we'll be safe.
joe rogan
And listen to your music.
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
We were talking about Koresh before we started the podcast.
He was out here in Waco, and they're all failed rock stars.
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like a lot of these guys, they're failed rock stars.
dan auerbach
Manson, Koresh.
joe rogan
Manson, Koresh, yeah.
Yeah.
There's probably a bunch of them.
patrick carney
Jim Jones, he looks like he could have been a loud singer.
dan auerbach
There's a guitar player named Glenn Schwartz from Cleveland.
He was one of our big influences.
He played in a cult during the 70s.
And yeah, the cult leader was just a failed rock star.
joe rogan
He played in a cult.
patrick carney
He had one of the first Christian rock bands.
dan auerbach
Ever, yeah.
patrick carney
The All Saved Freak Band.
dan auerbach
The All Saved Freak Band.
patrick carney
They actually have some insane guitar riffs.
What's that?
dan auerbach
Oh, yeah, because Glenn Schwartz is playing guitar.
The guy turned out, this guy named Glenn Schwartz, and he became a follower of his, and he was one of the most ripping guitar players.
patrick carney
Oh, my God.
It's like Jimi Hendrix playing Christian rock.
What's that?
They have one song.
joe rogan
The Fallen Salvation of the White Hendrix.
dan auerbach
Dude, we used to go see him at this little bar in the flats, right on the river in Cleveland.
joe rogan
Was lost to a religious cult.
unidentified
Whoa!
patrick carney
We had him open for us a couple times.
He would just go on these rants screaming.
dan auerbach
Religious rants?
It was incredible.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
So he would do the religious rants in between the songs?
That's what he looks like now?
dan auerbach
He passed away a few years ago, but he was the original guitar player in the James Gang.
patrick carney
See, look, there's Dan and Joe Walsh.
dan auerbach
Yeah, we played with them.
We flew him down to...
He was one of Joe Walsh's first influences.
Joe said the reason he wanted to play rock and roll is because of Glenn.
Wow.
Now imagine that because Joe's the guy who gave Jimmy Page the Les Paul.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
He's also the guy that changed the Eagles.
unidentified
He changed a lot of things.
dan auerbach
He changed a lot of things.
Anyway, Glenn was amazing.
joe rogan
Wow.
So what was this religious cult?
What was it called?
dan auerbach
I don't remember what it was called.
patrick carney
But acid definitely played a role.
dan auerbach
Absolutely.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, that's the thing about making these things legal.
That's the real...
When people say that we're propping up the cartel, true.
Yes, definitely.
And I think you should be able to do whatever you want as a grown adult.
However, if we do make things legal, we're going to lose some folks.
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
We're gonna lose some folks.
There's drugs out there that I don't give a fuck if Purdue Pharma is making it.
Even if it's pure.
Like, people are gonna die.
For sure.
And are we willing to do that?
Because there's gonna be a bunch of people that try heroin if heroin becomes legal.
I'm not going to do it, but I'm a 56-year-old man.
I'm not an 18-year-old kid that'd be like, fuck it, I'll try it.
patrick carney
Some of this unregulated psychedelic stuff, a friend of mine...
Asked me if I wanted to micro-dose mushrooms, and I said, you know, of course.
Like, this is a small amount, and like, I was in LA in an Uber Driving down Sunset and all of a sudden I realized that it was not a microdose.
I was like, what the fuck?
She was like, there's two and a half grams in the whole bar.
And I was like, duh.
It was like two and a half grams in each square.
And I had like one and a half.
I was like, there's no fucking way.
I can't even read my phone.
It looks like, you know, All digital.
I had to tell the Uber driver to turn the fucking music, change it, because it was just like...
I was going into...
I felt like I was inside of a computer.
joe rogan
Oh my god!
patrick carney
And I was like...
We were making our record.
I was like, get me back to the hotel.
We were staying at the Chateau Marmont.
This is our first time staying there in like five years.
Or longer.
Because they had tried to turn into a private club and it was kind of close to the public.
We were back there for the first time.
And I'm like fucking tripping my balls off.
I'm like, just get me back to the fucking room.
And I'm like beelining up the stairs and the security guy is like, He's like, excuse me.
What are you doing here?
I was like, I'm staying here.
He's like, where's your key?
I was like, I don't know.
He's like, what's your name?
And I'm like, dude, my alias was...
joe rogan
Don't tell your alias.
patrick carney
I'll change it, but it was...
It's Sir Eaton Hogg from Spinal Tap.
He's like, what's your name?
I was like, Eaton Hogg.
He's like, leave the premises immediately.
unidentified
Oh, no.
patrick carney
And then I was like, what?
He's like, leave the premises immediately.
And then finally, I'm freaking out.
The general manager comes in and is like, Mr. Hogg, please come to your room.
I was like, you don't know what's happening to me right now.
unidentified
What's going on?
joe rogan
What did the guy look like that was questioning you?
patrick carney
He looked like a Bond villain.
unidentified
The hotel alias always fucks us up.
patrick carney
No one's ever caught looking for us.
That's what they tell you.
That's one of the big things for people that aren't actually famous.
They make you feel better by being like, Dan, Pat, you need an alias now.
That's like rule number one of how to make your fucking client feel better as a manager.
So now all that happens is when we have it, we're just trying to get into a room.
dan auerbach
Whenever we lose our key, we're like, no, it's under an alias.
We're like, excuse me.
patrick carney
And they're like, who the fuck do you think you are?
Having a fucking fake name.
No one's recognized you ever in this hotel.
There's someone actually famous sitting right there.
Susan Sarandon's right here.
Who the fuck do you think?
She's under her real name, by the way.
dan auerbach
I think it's time to stop the fucking fake name.
joe rogan
Yeah, but if you announce that, then they're going to go looking for you.
dan auerbach
Now you've got to change Sir Eaton Hog, though.
patrick carney
I've worn it out.
I want the attention.
I want to start checking in under Sean Penn or something.
dan auerbach
Sean Penn and Guest.
patrick carney
He's done a lot of groundwork over the years.
There might just be random ladies calling for you all the time.
joe rogan
That dude is, he's wild.
He does some wild shit.
Like, they're going down to South America, or to Mexico, and talking to El Chapo.
Like, what?
What are you doing?
Writing for the Rolling Stone?
dan auerbach
And then El Chapo got thrown in prison.
He was in Haiti too, right?
joe rogan
Um, was he in Haiti?
Imagine if Sean Penn's a problem.
And he was in Ukraine, too.
He said he wanted to melt his Oscars to make bullets.
patrick carney
It's like Bono and him are attracted to it.
They need that kind of attention, whatever it is.
joe rogan
Well, I think they feel a social responsibility that comes with their fame.
patrick carney
It's like guys that want to save a chick.
Our friend Brian calls him Captain Save-A-Ho.
joe rogan
I've heard that one before.
Yeah.
That's a good one.
There are guys like that.
patrick carney
White Knight.
joe rogan
I generally think those guys are guys with problems that want to avoid their own problems.
And they look at those girls and go, I'm going to fix that.
And that's the thing to concentrate on.
patrick carney
Have you thought about getting into psychiatry?
joe rogan
I think I have.
I'm going to get a couch.
patrick carney
Do you want to tell me you think Sean Penn and Bono might have some sort of complex somewhere?
I think perhaps.
Dude, I've got a funny story, dude.
One of my best friends was dating this chick.
This is in the late 90s.
He was totally in love with her.
They had several apartments, but he was in New York and he was walking to his job and he had to take a shit.
So he had a key to his girlfriend's apartment.
He pops into her apartment and he's sitting on the toilet taking a shit and the answering machine goes off.
Back then, the phone would ring, the answering machine would come up and you could hear the person leaving the message.
And it was Sean Penn calling his girlfriend being like, I had so much fun fucking you this weekend.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
unidentified
He finds out about it while he's taking a shit.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
patrick carney
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
dan auerbach
Oh, fuck.
unidentified
I had so much fun fucking you this weekend.
patrick carney
Not Sean Connery.
unidentified
Not Sean Connery.
That would be great if it was Sean Connery.
joe rogan
Sean Penn.
Hilarious.
patrick carney
Dude, imagine if you got that phone call like Zelensky called your girlfriend.
dan auerbach
That was a tough wipe for that guy.
joe rogan
Could you imagine?
Did Sean Penn's meeting with El Chapo Health Authorities track down the Kingpin?
That is what happened, right?
jamie vernon
Yeah, Sean Penn says no, but there might be documents that say otherwise.
joe rogan
But wasn't it something about tracking his cell phone?
jamie vernon
He was arrested days later.
I was trying to read through it to find the proof, but I didn't really find actual proof.
I don't know that the actual proof, they're not going to say, like, yep, 100%, this is exactly what we did.
joe rogan
I think the more intelligent and crafty of the drug cartel leaders, they don't tell you who they are anymore.
I think, you know, I think like the guys on the ground know, but I don't think there's any El Chapo's out there.
It's like when Gotti was the mafia king.
patrick carney
Yeah, it's a bad track record to be a celebrity criminal.
dan auerbach
Seems like a horrible idea.
The greatest mobsters are the ones they never do the movies about.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Or they're clever, like Vincent the Ching Gigante, who would wear a bathrobe and walk around like he was a crazy person.
And then the FBI installed wires on every hubcap of every car down his route.
So they parked their own cars there so they could catch this guy talking.
So he would talk like pretend he's crazy.
He would say, listen, this motherfucker, we're going to kill him unless he gives us 50%.
And so he was going over his fucking telling his captains what to do.
patrick carney
So the cover was that he was insane.
joe rogan
The cover was that he was nuts.
So he would wear a bathrobe and act like a crazy person.
dan auerbach
Yeah.
patrick carney
That's a good cover.
I think it can get you out of a lot of shit.
joe rogan
That's what Biden's doing.
patrick carney
Pleading insanity, too, to get you out of a lot of shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, sure.
patrick carney
Blaming Zoloft and cocaine.
joe rogan
Have you heard the craziest one?
patrick carney
What?
joe rogan
This chick was on a date with this guy.
She'd bedated him a little bit.
They smoked weed, and she stabbed him 108 times.
And she got off.
She's got probation, right?
Something crazy.
And the idea is that the marijuana caused her to be so psychotic that she stabbed this guy a hundred times.
patrick carney
Jesus, what?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Imagine.
Imagine.
Okay.
Jurors found 30...
Brin Specter?
Okay.
The police tried to stop her.
She will not serve any prison time, the judges ruled.
32-year-old from Ventura County guilty in December of involuntary manslaughter after you stabbed her boyfriend.
How's that involuntary?
When you stab someone 108 times while high on cannabis?
Involuntary.
Both took several hits from a bong loaded with marijuana.
She had an adverse reaction to the marijuana and suffered from what experts call cannabis induced psychotic disorder.
Boy, you don't want to fucking set that precedent.
Set that precedent of...
patrick carney
I mean, that just means everyone should carry an emergency joint in their pocket.
If they ever get in trouble, just fucking...
joe rogan
She also stabbed her dog and turned the knife on herself.
patrick carney
Light it up.
Accidentally stabbed my friend 108 times.
Good thing I had this emergency joint.
Alibi joint.
joe rogan
She stabbed her dog and she stabbed herself, too.
She stabbed herself in the neck.
jamie vernon
It happened in 2018. Did it?
I thought the story just went around, but it happened over six years ago.
joe rogan
Interesting.
What the fuck, dude?
I mean, that seems a little odd.
patrick carney
The alibi joint.
dan auerbach
What state was that in?
joe rogan
California.
California.
jamie vernon
Thousand Oaks.
dan auerbach
California's...
California's amazing.
joe rogan
That's a lost state.
And they just keep going down that hole.
My friend just got back from San Francisco and he's like, it was insane.
He's like, you can't believe it's real.
100 hours!
jamie vernon
Not even 108. 100 hours.
patrick carney
Oh, Jamie, what a singer!
joe rogan
Jamie with the zinger.
That's a Tony Hinchcliffe line.
That sounds like something Tony would say.
That's hilarious.
dan auerbach
Man, we love that Kill Tony stuff.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
dan auerbach
That he's been doing over there.
joe rogan
The show's amazing.
He does arena shows now.
dan auerbach
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
It's incredible.
It's so fun.
It's such a fun...
And it's the anchor of comedy in Austin.
It's the anchor of comedy, really, in the country.
Because it gives people that are legitimately just starting out...
You can become famous on that show.
These guys are all, like, touring now.
Like, William Montgomery is fucking killing it.
Killing it on the road.
David Lucas is killing it on the road.
These guys are killing it.
unidentified
Casey Rockets.
joe rogan
Casey Rockets.
He works at our club.
dan auerbach
Really cool.
joe rogan
He's awesome.
These young guys, they're fucking good, man.
And you have one minute on that show.
So there's no room for bullshit and virtue signaling and, you know, this is my stance on...
Shut the fuck up.
Funny.
Let's go.
So it's like it sets this tone.
It doesn't matter what your perspective is.
Just make it good.
Make it funny.
You got a minute.
And then you're going to get judged and roasted by comedians.
And they're going to roast each other.
And it's just, it's a free, like, you could say anything.
It's fun.
And everybody wants you to.
They want you to say anything.
dan auerbach
Yeah, it doesn't seem like they're trying to hurt anybody's feelings.
joe rogan
No, it's just fun.
It's fun.
They're doing it to each other and laughing hard.
Like when David Lucas and Tony Hinchcliffe roast each other, it's some of the funniest shit I've ever seen in my life.
Sometimes I can't breathe because I'm sitting right next to them while they're going after each other, and they're both so quick.
They're so good at it.
unidentified
Did you catch Poirier's Kill Tony shout-out?
joe rogan
What did you say?
jamie vernon
When you interviewed him, you asked him about the guillotine.
He's like, I'm never going to stop doing them.
That's not Willie Montgomery.
joe rogan
No, that's him.
No, that's him saying, I'm never going to stop going for it.
jamie vernon
It's kind of the way he said it, though.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
I don't think that's...
I think he was just saying, I'm never going to stop.
jamie vernon
It seemed very on the nose.
joe rogan
Because that's his shit.
Yeah.
That's his go-to submission is the guillotine.
jamie vernon
I'll have to ask him if I've ever seen him.
joe rogan
Because he almost got Khabib in that.
He said, I'm never going to stop him.
dan auerbach
Yeah, I think we're going to go do the William Montgomery podcast.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah!
You should do it.
He's a fucking national treasure.
He's a weird dude.
dan auerbach
We're going to get on their coattails early and ride them in.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I want you to be real cognizant when he hugs you.
When he hugs you, he fucking firmly hugs you.
He hugs you in an odd way, like he's thinking of murdering you.
He's amazing.
He's so funny, dude.
dan auerbach
He does remind me of friends I have from Memphis, too.
Memphis people talk in a particular way.
It's funny.
joe rogan
Well, have you ever seen when his father and his mother come on the show?
dan auerbach
I haven't seen that.
joe rogan
His father and his mother came to see him when they did the theater in town, the HEB Center, and he was dressed...
What was he wearing?
He was wearing like a leather strap across his chest, leather codpiece.
Like, bare legs, bare arms, bare chest.
Like, he was dressed in some fucking S&M shit.
And then he did stand-up.
And it was amazing.
It was amazing.
It was amazing.
But Kill Tony is...
It gives comics an opportunity to get in front of the fucking biggest live show that exists on YouTube.
And it sets a great tone.
It's a fun thing.
It gives people an understanding, too.
They'll give you good tips, too.
Like, you know, try to concentrate on this.
Did you ever try this on your friends?
How do you develop this stuff?
How long have you been doing it?
Where did you start?
dan auerbach
It's real fast, too.
Between sections, very accessible.
joe rogan
And it's live.
People love that kind of shit, where it's all improvised, it's happening in the moment, it's really happening live.
dan auerbach
Well, we're hoping to go to your club while we're here.
joe rogan
Well, you're going, man.
You're going tonight.
Let's go.
I want you guys to see Shane.
Shane Gillis is one of the funniest human beings that's ever lived.
patrick carney
Is he there tonight?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's there tonight.
patrick carney
Oh, amazing.
We love Shane.
joe rogan
I'm making sure he's coming.
dan auerbach
Beautiful dogs.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He's so funny.
patrick carney
We're big fans of him.
joe rogan
He's awesome.
He's such a good dude, too.
dan auerbach
He's the shit.
joe rogan
He's everything you'd hope he'd be.
He's like that 24-7.
patrick carney
That's cool.
joe rogan
How he is on podcasts, that's how he is.
patrick carney
He's so funny.
joe rogan
He's awesome.
He lives here now.
patrick carney
Yeah.
dan auerbach
It feels like it's an exciting time for comedy, in a way.
joe rogan
It is.
It is.
dan auerbach
You're kind of leading the charge there, too.
joe rogan
Well, we've got a great group that are here now, and everybody really appreciates it.
They really appreciate that we're all together in this, and that's what's fun about it.
It's a real community.
patrick carney
We've always been fangirl out over comedians more than musicians.
joe rogan
Well, that's the opposite for me, too.
I fangirl out on musicians.
unidentified
I don't know how to do anything.
joe rogan
So when I see you guys, to me, it's magic.
You guys are making magic.
You're making magic that is like a drug.
If I'm alone and I'm driving to go to a comedy club and I throw Sinister Kid on, I get fucking fired up.
That's a drug, man.
It's a drug.
It gives you a feeling.
It's just like a drug.
You hear a good fucking song, oh, fuck yeah!
And you're driving, you know?
It's like you're experiencing the art physically.
It's not just like, that painting's beautiful.
You know, a good fucking song when you're on a treadmill, you're like, woo!
Let's fucking go!
You'll crank that speed up.
You feel different.
You guys make magic.
patrick carney
We just sit around and send each other like Norm Macdonald clips.
There's one where he was talking about gay porn.
Have you seen that?
joe rogan
What did he say?
patrick carney
He just was like, you know, there's these porn.
I like, porn's my favorite movie, but there's this one type of porn I just can't get into.
Gay porn.
It's just every one.
There's not a single good one.
unidentified
It's just, men, fucking other men.
patrick carney
It's so funny.
It's like a minute long, but it's just like, I've watched it like 50 times.
joe rogan
He was doing this thing about guys, fucking guys in the ass.
He's like, I'm sorry, I'll clean up my language.
I'm sorry for my language.
He goes, here's something you never hear anybody say.
He made love to me in my ass.
patrick carney
I've seen that.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Oh, what a fucking G that guy was.
He didn't even tell anybody he had cancer.
He was dying.
I'm going to go visit someone in Canada.
dan auerbach
Incredible move.
patrick carney
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He said, I'm going to go out on my own terms.
He's amazing.
I was randomly on flights sitting next to him twice.
patrick carney
Really?
joe rogan
Just random.
dan auerbach
Unbelievable.
joe rogan
I knew him.
I knew him from the clubs, so it was awesome.
But it's just complete random that we got sat next to each other twice.
So two flights, I got a full, like, Norm MacDonald experience.
We're just laughing and talking and laughing.
He was amazing.
One time, one flight, he was telling me, yeah, I quit cigarettes.
Fucking cigarettes are terrible.
And he's telling me how great he feels now that he quit cigarettes, the whole deal.
The moment we land, he runs right to the gift shop, buys cigarettes, and was lighting it before he got out the door.
He goes, all that talk about cigarettes, I fucking wanted one.
patrick carney
Amazing.
joe rogan
Amazing.
He was amazing.
Just total dumb luck.
Sat next to him twice.
patrick carney
I've never sat next to a famous person on a plane.
dan auerbach
Thanks, dude.
patrick carney
Wait, I didn't know who he was.
He had an alias.
Actually, Susan Sarandon was on our plane here, but I didn't.
I was a seat away.
dan auerbach
It doesn't count.
patrick carney
It doesn't count.
Dude, a friend of mine has the craziest story.
He was on a Southwest flight that was like from L.A. to Nashville, but it stopped in Phoenix at first, and they picked up.
This woman got on the plane, and My friend was on the aisle and this chick was in the middle and this guy was on the window and the guy just starts like hitting on this chick and they start kind of like on a flight from you know over like a red eye back to Nashville like the guy and a girl just hitting on each other and then like she like you know starts like fooling around with him and gets asked for a blanket and like blows him on the plane laughing And
my friend's just like, what the fuck is going on?
This is incredible.
And then like, Afterwards, he's like, so what do you do?
She's like, I'm an actress.
I'm like, oh yeah, what kind of movie?
She's like, you know, adult movies.
He gets her name and she had just broken the AIDS protocol.
That's like being kicked out of the porn industry.
And the guy just got blown by her on a plane.
joe rogan
She just broke the AIDS protocol?
unidentified
That's the story.
patrick carney
I mean, this was years ago.
joe rogan
Who's that woman that was married to Antonio Banderas, the famous actress?
patrick carney
Melanie Griffith.
joe rogan
Melanie Griffith.
I was on a plane to England once with her, and it was an overnight flight.
And, you know, so she's lying there, sleeping.
So her, you know, seat's reclined.
She's lying there sleeping, and there's this very fat guy who's in the chair right across the aisle.
So the way it lines up, her face, Is right where his ass is.
And this guy starts farting.
I mean, he started farting too.
I was awake.
I was on my computer.
I was awake.
I was like, what the fuck?
This guy is farting in the face of a famous actress.
And I was like, imagine if this was this guy's plot all along.
This is what I want.
This is what I want.
He's like, he's got a fart fetish.
He's like, you're telling me she's going to be on this flight.
I want my seat to line up where my ass is going to be in her face.
Like, if that's what he was into, you couldn't have lined it up any better.
patrick carney
Dude, she probably is so resilient to the grossest fart.
unidentified
What if that was your fucking fetish, dude?
patrick carney
She grew up, like, in a house surrounded by, like, a hundred lions.
joe rogan
Yes!
patrick carney
Tigers.
Yes!
I'm friends with her daughter.
dan auerbach
Yeah, there's that footage of her getting dragged into the pool by the lion.
joe rogan
Bro, that footage is bananas.
And that movie that they made, that, what is it called?
Rage?
Roar, roar.
They made a movie with all these fucking cats.
patrick carney
I'm friends with Dakota Johnson, her daughter, and I've known her for, I guess, you know, before she was famous, you know what I mean?
And she was telling me, she told me, like, that her mom grew up with all these cats, and I didn't, I mean, I did not believe her, but I had no idea until I started seeing this shit a while ago.
joe rogan
She's lying in bed with a lion.
patrick carney
I mean, a lion fart.
joe rogan
An actual lion.
Yeah, imagine what those things smell like.
patrick carney
Yeah, same.
She probably, she probably, maybe enjoyed the guy's It's probably a relief.
joe rogan
Flashbacks to her time on the farm.
patrick carney
She's like, yeah.
joe rogan
So that was another time that I flew with a famous person.
patrick carney
Yeah.
Fuck.
dan auerbach
You know, I got sat next to Billy Gibbons one time.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
dan auerbach
That's fucking awesome.
joe rogan
That's fucking awesome.
dan auerbach
Yeah.
Showed me pictures of cars and shit the whole time.
It was fucking amazing.
joe rogan
I got sat next to Ed O'Neill once.
That was pretty awesome.
Ed O'Neil from Married with Children.
Bundy.
He's a legitimate Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yep.
He's a real black belt.
Yeah, like legit.
Everybody I know that's rolled with him is legit.
And, you know, we talked Jiu-Jitsu for like two hours.
patrick carney
That's cool.
joe rogan
It was amazing.
patrick carney
Is that what Zuckerberg's into?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's into MMA. He does Jiu-Jitsu too, though.
patrick carney
Jiu-Jitsu's a part of MMA. Have you seen his...
Has he got the goods?
joe rogan
He definitely is training.
He definitely knows what he's doing.
And he's training with really good people.
Like, he was out here training with, like, top-flight jiu-jitsu people.
You know, he's got access to all these people that are interested in training with him.
He trains with UFC people.
He loves it.
He actually blew his ACL out doing it.
And the board's worried about him, like, that it could negatively affect the company.
Him engaging in this very dangerous, violent activity.
He competed in jiu-jitsu tournaments.
Here you see him.
He's won.
He's good.
Like, he's a very smart dude.
He's very competitive.
And he trains with really good guys.
Israel Adesanya and Alex Volkanovski.
Yeah, he's into it, man.
Like, he's legitimately putting in the work.
It's exciting.
It's fun.
patrick carney
His bangs always bother me.
joe rogan
His bangs?
patrick carney
Yeah, like the way his hair sits.
It's like crazy girl style.
joe rogan
Crazy girl style.
Let me see it again.
Let me see what you're talking about.
patrick carney
It needs to go up.
joe rogan
That's an odd look.
Maybe it's like, I'm a billionaire.
I don't want to look too good.
unidentified
I don't know what it is.
Make me look a little Caesar-ish.
patrick carney
You know the movies where the hot girl takes her glasses off?
joe rogan
Right.
patrick carney
I think he needs to get glasses put on him.
That's what happened to me.
You can't even look at my face, but put the glasses on.
It's the opposite for guys.
unidentified
It's a good move.
patrick carney
If you're ugly, you put the fucking shit.
joe rogan
Put glasses on.
Right, and it makes you at least look smart.
patrick carney
There he goes.
unidentified
There he goes.
joe rogan
Now he's looking good.
I think you're right.
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
I really think you're right.
unidentified
Wait a minute.
patrick carney
Not those glasses.
Not those glasses.
joe rogan
The meta glasses.
patrick carney
Not the little clear.
joe rogan
Those are the ones that you could use to spy on people.
patrick carney
There you go.
joe rogan
That's a fucking weird new thing that you have to be aware of.
People wearing sunglasses that can film you.
dan auerbach
Stop just went up.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a big one for perverts, I'm sure.
dan auerbach
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
dan auerbach
Pat played with them on stage.
patrick carney
They sent me a pair.
And I was trying to, like...
But it's just, like, if you watch the footage, it just, like, makes you want to puke.
dan auerbach
It's insane.
Shaking all over the place.
unidentified
It has a mic on it, too.
patrick carney
It has a mic.
Sounds like shit.
dan auerbach
You hear him grunting the whole time.
patrick carney
Yeah, that's something people don't really pick up unless you got the mic right here.
dan auerbach
He didn't tell me about it either.
He just put the glasses on side of stage for the encore.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
patrick carney
I mean, the conversations were ongoing in your presence.
dan auerbach
I looked at him, I was like, what the fuck are you doing, dude?
Am I on camera right now?
patrick carney
He knew about it.
I mean, possibly he didn't, but...
That's also like, you know, there's a lot of times when Dan will be like, no one fucking told me this.
It's been in the calendar for like two months.
joe rogan
It's weird because there's not going to be a time, there's going to be a time rather in the future where you're not going to be able to stop people from recording things.
They're just going to be able to record everything.
No matter what.
patrick carney
I mean, um...
dan auerbach
They don't already do that.
joe rogan
They're going to be able to do it into contact lenses.
They're going to be able to figure out a way where it's not even a glass, it's just a contact lens.
If things keep going the way they're going this way, like they keep getting smaller and smaller and more effective, they'll probably figure out a way to make it a contact lens.
patrick carney
Yeah, it's like people who film concert videos.
Do people go back and look at all that shit they're filming?
joe rogan
No.
It's like fireworks.
patrick carney
I don't think anybody's ever watched a wedding video.
joe rogan
That people watch.
patrick carney
Who?
joe rogan
I've had people force me to watch their wedding video.
patrick carney
What?
What the fuck?
joe rogan
Yeah, sit down.
Watch my wedding band.
patrick carney
I've never seen a wedding video.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
patrick carney
You know what those are?
They're made so that in case someone gets murdered, they can use it in forensic files.
joe rogan
Look how he's looking at the bride.
patrick carney
Look how happy he was, seemingly.
Right.
unidentified
Seemingly.
patrick carney
Right.
That's all they're used for.
joe rogan
Well, the worst is fireworks, right?
Who watches fireworks videos?
But everybody films fireworks.
It's like you feel like you can't live unless you're capturing things constantly.
patrick carney
The same people that watch fireworks videos also watch lots of videos of trains.
Or fire trucks.
joe rogan
Just driving by?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Watch videos of people dining inside of trains.
The fact that people still go on trains.
Trains are a wild way to move around.
patrick carney
In Europe, it's amazing.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's...
In America, there's always the threat that someone could lay some shit down on the tracks.
Like, people do every now and again.
There's some person who decides to sabotage the tracks.
And there's not a fucking chance in hell that you can go over all that track and make sure no one's done that.
You're going 400 miles an hour or whatever it's going on.
It's flying across the country.
unidentified
You could with AI. I guess.
Well...
joe rogan
That's how they're gonna get us.
patrick carney
Yeah, I mean, you see those...
You know, photos of train traveling up until, like, the early 60s.
It kind of looks amazing.
joe rogan
Well, it is a great way to see the country.
The view is incredible.
You're in this thing.
Imagine back in the old days when they would just open up the window and shoot buffaloes.
patrick carney
Yeah, but it's like you also had, like, now it's like I think they only serve, like, hot dogs.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Probably, right?
patrick carney
I think so.
joe rogan
If you're traveling across the country back in the old days when they first did it, it must have been amazing.
patrick carney
Imagine if Melanie Griffith was in a sleeper car with that guy on that diet.
He's been eating hot fries and hot dogs for four days.
He hasn't had a shower in four days.
And his ass is in Melanie Griffin's face.
unidentified
Just open it up.
joe rogan
How fast do those trains go?
Like those old-timey trains?
When they first started crossing the country?
unidentified
I bet they didn't go over 60. They really would just open up the window and shoot buffaloes.
joe rogan
Fucking insane.
What a crazy time.
Like, no one had ever had a train before.
Now all of a sudden there's this thing that you can hop on and make your way across the country.
patrick carney
Yeah, and the presidents would ride them and just give some shitty speech off the back.
The whole town would come.
joe rogan
Is that what they did?
The presidents would just get out and talk to people off the back?
dan auerbach
They wouldn't even get out.
They would just stand on the back.
patrick carney
Stand on the back.
unidentified
Wow.
jamie vernon
40 to 65 miles an hour.
joe rogan
Wow.
dan auerbach
You fucking had that right on the money, bud.
joe rogan
Wow.
unidentified
Huh.
dan auerbach
Don't say.
joe rogan
What about the really old-timey ones?
What was the first ones that they put across the country?
patrick carney
The Transcontinental Railway?
Was that 1866?
It was right after the Civil War.
joe rogan
How fast were trains in 1890?
They could approach 80 miles an hour.
jamie vernon
That's probably how much stuff it's pulling slows it down, you know, so...
joe rogan
Right, like how many cars they have.
jamie vernon
Just the locomotive, I guess.
joe rogan
Oh, I see, I see.
The locomotives.
dan auerbach
That makes sense.
patrick carney
There's a very intense engineering, because they can only go up, like, steepest is like a 5% grade.
Oh, really?
Something like that.
That's why my brother works for Amtrak.
But yeah, there's a lot of crazy shit about trains.
joe rogan
So what do they do when they get to a hill?
They just have to level it?
patrick carney
They have to go through a tunnel.
unidentified
Oh.
patrick carney
Or whatever, you know.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
So they have to tunnel everything.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
For these fucking trains.
patrick carney
Yeah, and a lot of those railways out early on, you know, were built by Chinese.
jamie vernon
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
patrick carney
It's like you go out west.
The first time we went out west on tour, we go to these small towns in the middle of nowhere, you know, and there would be like an old Chinese restaurant, and there's like, the signs said like, chop suey.
And then you go, you have the worst Chinese food you've ever had in your whole life.
It tastes like something that they scraped off the teeth of a brontosaurus.
Just like ground up cabbage and shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, back in those days when they were doing that, that's when they developed those opium dens too.
Opium dens was like a big thing that was brought over by the Chinese.
patrick carney
That's like around the time that Portland, Oregon was known for people getting shanghaied where they would get drugged and then they'd open a trap door in the bar and they'd fall down and then they would get put on a ship to China.
joe rogan
What?
patrick carney
And wake up in the middle of the ocean and just have to work.
unidentified
What?
patrick carney
That's what, yeah.
Getting shanghaied is from that.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Can you imagine?
patrick carney
Imagine the lawsuit now.
Dude.
joe rogan
Actually, that's probably happening still in other countries.
Someone to kidnap or trick them into working for you.
Traditional way to Shanghai, someone is to drug them and put them on a ship.
The person wakes up, you better get to work.
This term popped up in the 19th century.
Fuck, man.
Can you imagine living back in the day where you had to worry that someone was going to kidnap you and force you into slave labor?
patrick carney
Well, that was like, well, the 80s, we were worried about, I was very worried about getting kidnapped when I was a kid.
Because it was like everywhere, all over the fucking news.
joe rogan
And the milk cartons.
patrick carney
Yeah, there's like famous kids, you know, kids finding bodies and shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
patrick carney
When I was walking to school once, you know, somebody, it was really snowy, and I always walked with my buddy, but I was on my way to his house, and this car pulled up.
I was like, I'll get, you know, this person's totally bundled up, like, so suspicious.
Like, I'll give you a ride.
Get in the car.
unidentified
And I was like, what the fuck?
joe rogan
They're real.
patrick carney
I just ran to my buddy's house.
I was like, dude.
Maybe it was just some old lady.
I couldn't tell, but it's terrifying.
joe rogan
When I was a kid, I was in a library, and I was looking at these monster books.
And this guy stood next to me.
He said, you like monster books?
I said, yeah.
And he goes, I've got some out in my car.
You want to see them?
I'm like, okay.
I was like eight.
You know, I was a latchkey kid.
And so, I start walking out the door with this guy, and the lady who's a librarian starts screaming, Joseph, get away from that man!
He just got out of jail!
And the guy just runs.
The guy runs.
And I'm standing there just crying.
They got me, got my mom, and I went home, but I was like, what the fuck?
He could've got me.
dan auerbach
Oh my god.
joe rogan
That was so naive.
I was eight.
I just thought the guy also liked monster books.
dan auerbach
What a sick fuck.
Dude, we used to play in the woods.
We used to walk down through the woods, cross the river, over by the jail.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan auerbach
Oh, boy.
joe rogan
Over by the jail.
dan auerbach
You know what I mean?
patrick carney
The workhouse.
dan auerbach
Yeah.
joe rogan
Anybody ever get out of that jail?
patrick carney
Yeah, somebody escaped once, and his nickname was, like, The Butcher.
But it was just like, at the time, or maybe it was something like that, but he just had his 10th DUI or something.
We knew quite a few people in Akron who have over three DUIs.
joe rogan
Do you remember that one guy who escaped jail with the help of a female officer that he was banging?
And then she was supposed to meet him.
patrick carney
Didn't they make a movie about that?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I think this was fairly recent, like within the last 10 years.
But this guy started banging one of the female corrections officers.
dan auerbach
I vaguely remember that.
joe rogan
I think she helped him escape.
She met him and tried to meet up with him and they arrested her and arrested him.
She killed herself?
Yeah.
What was the story?
Oh, there it is.
Detectives and others have found that Vicki White had allegedly fallen in love with the inmate, given him the special treatment at the jail.
She ultimately helped concoct the plot for Casey White to escape, which ended 11 days later with his capture, and she died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
Just like the guy who was the whistleblower for Boeing.
patrick carney
I'm confused.
joe rogan
He died from a self-reflection gunshot wound, too.
Crazy.
patrick carney
Why would she kill herself?
Because she already knows that she fell in love in prison.
joe rogan
Because she's going to go to prison with girls now.
patrick carney
Well, there's going to be a male...
joe rogan
Pretending to be a male security guard?
patrick carney
Hey, maybe fuck around and maybe, what's his name, Marcon's wife is in there.
What's the president of France's name?
joe rogan
It's probably women guards.
dan auerbach
Marcon.
joe rogan
Marcon?
patrick carney
Marpony.
joe rogan
Why are those rumors so fun?
patrick carney
I don't know.
joe rogan
When the internet goes nutty about stuff, I think it's so hilarious.
patrick carney
I just love it when someone, like, says they're gonna, like, you know...
Risk their entire career on this piece of evidence.
unidentified
It's not complete nonsense.
patrick carney
I have full faith that this is reality.
There's no reason for me to do it.
What's her name?
Candace Owens?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, then there's the other one, the Kate Middleton one, the photo that just got released recently that's been AI doctored.
And they say that that photo is a photo that they took from her on a magazine cover.
And that it's so specifically accurate that you could superimpose left and right and it looks exactly the same.
And that this photo, people aren't willing to publish it.
Kate Middleton and the end of shared reality.
Nothing is true and everything is possible.
So, whatever is going on with her, They photoshopped, CGI'd, whatever, a photo of her all smiling with her kids.
Like, see, everything's fine.
dan auerbach
Because something is going on with her, is the theory.
joe rogan
That's the theory, yeah.
dan auerbach
Yeah, that's a shit.
patrick carney
I've heard that.
joe rogan
Well, they think she's missing.
Or no one knows where she is.
Like, show us a picture of her.
Like, no one's seen her forever.
Is she okay?
Like, where is she?
Sort of like the president of Scientology's wife.
Like, where is she?
dan auerbach
I hadn't heard that she was missing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Even Photoshop can't erase Royals' latest PR blemish.
Mother's Day photos meant to dow speculation about the Princess of Wales' health and did the opposite and threatened to undermine trust in the royal family.
How weird that they still have trust in the royal family.
That's what's the weirdest thing about that article.
What percentage is there trusting now?
I could imagine a bunch of old people that don't know what's going on anymore.
dan auerbach
But like, what?
joe rogan
Imagine.
The ancestors are the people that controlled your ancestors.
Those are the people you should trust?
dan auerbach
Yeah.
patrick carney
I mean, it's kind of insane.
joe rogan
And they're just born into it?
What?
patrick carney
I love the British media, though.
It's always, they blow shit.
The rules over there are different, you know?
It would probably be real horrible to be a famous person living in England.
joe rogan
Oh, they'll go after you?
patrick carney
Yeah, they're fucking psycho.
joe rogan
Yeah, they go after you and they can get away with it.
Their laws are so different.
patrick carney
Dude, the first article we ever had written about us in England was in the NME. It's like a music magazine.
Actually, we did the interview at South by Southwest 21 years ago.
And the guy was like, So, you know, ask some boring questions.
And at the very end of the 10-minute interview, he was like, so do you guys ever do any drugs?
And, like, you know, smoke some weed occasionally.
And he's like, anything else?
And I was like, oh, I smoked opium once.
I was like a kid.
I didn't know.
And then the headline was like, opium-fueled blues.
unidentified
Seriously.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
patrick carney
I was like, what the fuck?
I was like, my dad's gonna see this.
unidentified
Dad, I don't smoke opium.
patrick carney
This kid had it once, though, in Akron.
Like I said, no one really had drugs, but this kid, Eric.
His name was Eric.
I think it fried his brain.
But he was the only kid I knew that had gone to prison.
Because he was selling acid.
And...
And he had been arrested for it and put on probation.
And then his probation officer would call him.
He worked at the car wash and check on him.
And the probation officer called him and said, I'm going to come see you today.
And he had like 150 hits of acid in his pocket.
And he never just took it out, even though he got the heads up.
And he was like, oh, he got caught with 150 hits of acid and went to prison for three years.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
patrick carney
Yeah, and the stories he would tell us were fucking horrible.
Exactly what you would imagine.
But he introduced us to his favorite prison recipe, which was called Making a Break.
And he'd get a bag of barbecue potato chips, dump in a can of chili, then dump in ramen noodles in the seasoning, and then get the faucet water as hot as you possibly can, and fill the can up with water, and put it in the In a potato chip bag and then just smash it all up with your hands.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
patrick carney
Dude, it was so disgusting.
He would eat this shit out of prison.
unidentified
Wow.
patrick carney
Dude, just make a break.
That's what he used to say.
joe rogan
There's guys like that that exist just to get you on the right path.
You know?
patrick carney
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
You meet him and you go, okay, whatever that guy's doing, I'm not doing that.
dan auerbach
Yeah, that was a level in your video game.
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, I think that's what happens with the guys who blow their brains out on acid, too.
Like, they're there to let you know, like, hey, this is possible.
This guy used to be in Pink Floyd.
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
patrick carney
Right.
joe rogan
This is possible.
Like, you know, be careful.
Don't just think you can take it.
unidentified
Yeah.
patrick carney
Or used to be the singer of the Beach Boys.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, that's the other weird thing about Brian Wilson from the Beach Boys.
That he was being threatened by Manson.
Because he had worked with Manson.
He was supposed to produce his album.
I think along the way, he realized this guy was out of his fucking mind.
patrick carney
Well, he was hanging out with Dennis Wilson.
joe rogan
That's what it was.
Dennis Wilson, right?
patrick carney
I think they had recorded at this studio that we were at.
That's where they would work in.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
patrick carney
Um...
joe rogan
Charles Manson and the Beach Boys, Dennis Wilson, had a brief and bizarre friendship.
Yeah, that's what it was.
Summer of 1968, living together and dreaming about the musical possibilities that lay ahead.
Whoa, they live together!
jamie vernon
Yeah, I think Manson wanted Brian Wilson to produce his stuff.
joe rogan
Ah, and then when he didn't want to, that's when it fell apart.
So he probably lured him in with parties and the girls.
That's probably what he would do.
He'd probably have the Manson girls and everyone's doing acid and they're probably like kissing him and kissing each other and he's like, this is amazing!
This guy's cool!
And this is pre-murders too, so no one really knows exactly what this guy's up to.
patrick carney
Do you think Epstein was giving people acid, too?
Maybe he's giving the girls acid.
joe rogan
Maybe he's giving the guys acid, too.
Who knows what's giving them?
I mean, if you're gonna have an island and you're gonna film people, why would you let them just be sober?
You know?
That seems like that would cut down on your footage.
You know?
Wouldn't you dose them up with something?
unidentified
If I was the CIA? What's going on with that island now?
joe rogan
I tried to buy it.
No, I didn't.
I was thinking about it.
We were joking around having a podcast destination.
I was like, we'd have to level that place.
The microphones and cameras, probably shit we've never even thought of.
There's probably camera paint that's on the wall.
The wall's probably a giant LCD screen.
Who fucking knows?
patrick carney
What's up with that Egyptian-themed building?
joe rogan
It's wild.
The temple that is painted like the Israeli flag, the colors of the Israeli flag.
Yeah, it's weird.
That's where I was thinking, like we could put the podcast studio there.
patrick carney
I think that's a good idea.
joe rogan
Somebody bought it.
It was too much.
It was like 50 million bucks.
dan auerbach
Who bought it?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Some psycho.
A fan.
You know, like women write to serial killers.
patrick carney
Dude, someone bought the cabin that...
joe rogan
Kaczynski lives in?
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
Really?
patrick carney
I think so.
I mean, you could buy the acre of land that he owned at one point for like 60,000 bucks.
unidentified
Wow.
patrick carney
Or cheaper.
It was cheap.
joe rogan
With the cabin on it?
patrick carney
I don't know if the cabin was there.
joe rogan
They might have leveled that cabin.
patrick carney
It was weird because he just had this one acre or two in the middle of fucking nowhere.
Yeah.
He must have got it for nothing.
joe rogan
He was a fucking odd dude, too.
patrick carney
I wonder what was he eating up in that cabin.
He's probably making breaks, dude.
Maybe he went crazy from too much sodium interacting with the LSD residue.
joe rogan
It's funny because he's the prototypical guy, the loner in the woods that everyone's afraid of.
Like, what's worst case scenario, loner in the woods?
A genius who's trying to kill everybody.
Everybody who made technology, and this was his idea that technology was going to take over the human race.
dan auerbach
Yeah, it's a supervillain.
It's a movie character.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, he's kind of correct.
patrick carney
Yeah, he wasn't wrong.
joe rogan
He wasn't wrong about technology taking over the human race.
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is all pre-cell phones, right?
This is pre, at least, smartphones.
When was Kaczynski?
When was all that?
patrick carney
I think it started in the early 90s.
joe rogan
Yeah, so this is, I mean, cell phones just existed in, like, suitcase form back then, right?
Maybe you could get a StarTac.
patrick carney
So wait, how long was he living in the woods before he started sending the pipe bombs?
Was he up there since, like, 1970s?
joe rogan
I think it was his plan once he left teaching.
His plan was to make enough money teaching so that he could go to the woods and do this.
patrick carney
Didn't he leave teaching almost immediately after working at Berkeley for just a year or something?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't know how long he was there for.
But what they said was that was where he had gotten the money.
jamie vernon
According to his Wikipedia, he lived at home for two years after resigning and then moved to the remote cabin in Montana.
joe rogan
So during those two years, he probably formulated his life's plan.
Live a simple life with little money without electricity or running water.
Working odd jobs, receiving significant financial support from his family.
jamie vernon
75 years.
joe rogan
So that was quite a few years later.
He performed acts of sabotage, including arson and booby-trapping against developments near his cabin.
So he started with that.
He also dedicated himself to reading about sociology and political philosophy, including the works of Jacques Ellul.
Kaczynski's brother David later stated that Ellul's book, The Technological Society, became Ted's Bible.
Kaczynski recounted in 1998. When I read the book for the first time, I was delighted because I thought, here is someone who is saying what I've already been thinking.
Oh, wow.
Interesting.
jamie vernon
The cabin was in storage.
I was trying to find out who bought it, but there it is in FBI storage.
joe rogan
Whoa!
He lived in that.
patrick carney
Dude, we should sell kits of that on Amazon.
joe rogan
Get a mini version of it.
Why not?
dan auerbach
Use that stock photo.
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a tribute.
patrick carney
Make it out of plastic.
Kids can play in it.
Kids Playhouse slash Unabomber can.
joe rogan
Fuck, man.
That's the guy that everyone's afraid of.
That's when people say, yeah, I'm a loner.
Like, bitch, you're not a loner.
Real loners are fucking crazy.
That's a real loner.
That's a broken person.
patrick carney
Wow.
You think they purposely picked the genius to do that to you?
joe rogan
Well, I think that's what they had to work with.
They're at Harvard.
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, and we probably have quite a few geniuses, and he was probably already super odd because of that thing that happened to him when he was a baby.
patrick carney
Right, he's probably already a sociopath.
Yeah.
It's okay to keep fucking with this guy.
joe rogan
One of the things his brother said, if he asked a girl out and the girl rejected him, he would write horrible letters to her.
Just horrible, vicious, mean shit.
He would yell at them and stuff.
It's like he was just off the rails.
He was crazy before all that.
patrick carney
Wow.
joe rogan
And then they dose him up with acid and humiliate him.
They're probably like, this guy's perfect.
He's already out of his fucking mind.
Let's see what we can do to him.
And they turned him into a serial killer.
patrick carney
Maybe it wasn't even like a...
You know, like, a CIA program, maybe the guy's just bored and just like to fuck with people.
joe rogan
Kaczynski?
patrick carney
Like, I'm talking about the CIA. Oh.
Maybe it's like, look at this fucking nerd.
joe rogan
Well, I think they had free will to do whatever they wanted back then.
When the CIA was operating, doing that MK Ultra, all those experiments, and Operation Midnight Climax, when they were doing all that stuff, they were allowed to do whatever they wanted.
They could just run tests.
They operated a brothel.
They operated a brothel when they dosed the Johns up and observed the reactions.
patrick carney
That's the midnight, what is it called?
joe rogan
Midnight Climax, yeah.
They also ran Haight-Ashbury Free Clinic.
They ran it until the book Chaos came out.
Then they closed it down.
They ran it forever.
They ran a free clinic.
And Manson used to visit it.
patrick carney
That's insane, dude.
joe rogan
It's insane.
When you find out what they actually 100% did...
And you realize that nothing...
Things just get better.
They don't just stop.
Like, if you're really good at being a secretive organization that has massive control over people and you can experiment on folks, that doesn't just go away.
That just evolves.
It just gets better.
It gets better at what it's doing and hides its tracks a little bit more.
Learns from its mistakes and gets better.
patrick carney
Yeah, it's just like that.
I mean, you know...
There's so many conspiracy theories, and I think a lot of them are rooted in reality and truth.
But I'm constantly reading the news, seeing something that's being like, what the fuck is actually going on with this thing here?
It's funny how much shit that Jon Stewart got for You know, just pointing out coronavirus, you know, coming from so close to the coronavirus research facility.
Basically, you know, like, I don't know, man.
joe rogan
And now that's accepted as fact.
patrick carney
I just was reading about Mitch McConnell's sister-in-law, who died in Texas on February 11th, although it's just now in the news.
She died in a Tesla.
That she drowned in her Tesla on her ranch in a pond.
And she's like a billionaire.
And I was like...
dan auerbach
Yeah, the Tesla backed into the pond or something?
joe rogan
Yeah.
patrick carney
She did a three-point turn into the pond.
But that just seems really sketchy.
joe rogan
Well, the thing about any kind of electronic device is that that is a computer.
Someone can operate that computer.
I think it's impossible to make a computer that can't be hacked.
I think if you've got a thing, look, they already know how to make your keys.
patrick carney
Oh, dude, her Tesla ran off of a nine-inch floppy disk.
unidentified
So she's fine.
joe rogan
You know, they know how to make your keys now.
They have a scanner that they can use outside your home, and they can pick up on your key fob, like if you have a little thing of keys next to the, and they can get the signal off of that and use it to make a new key fob or use that signal to operate your car.
And then they just start your car up and drive it off.
I mean, if you have a computer, that was always the big theory about Michael Hastings, too.
He was that journalist that reported on that general, was talking shit about Obama, and then he got fired during the Iraq War.
Do you know that story?
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
The theory was always on him that they controlled his car.
He died by going 120 miles an hour down La Brea, right into a tree, and his car exploded.
And then the question back then was, is it possible to control someone's car?
And they're like, yeah.
All the people that understand the technology that existed in 2004 when this guy died, they're like, yeah, you can do that.
dan auerbach
It was 2004. Do you drive an electronic car?
joe rogan
Yep.
Drove one here.
unidentified
It was like 2010. 2010. Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Yeah, I drove one here.
Oh, 2004 was the Tic Tac.
That was the question about the Tic Tac.
If that is ours, how the fuck could they do that in 2004?
That doesn't seem possible.
patrick carney
No, you couldn't even play, like, a video game online.
joe rogan
Yeah, you could.
patrick carney
Not really.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, 2004, you could play pretty good.
If you had a good cable connection.
patrick carney
Well, maybe in LA. Not in Akron.
joe rogan
You couldn't?
patrick carney
No.
joe rogan
I played guys...
I used to play Quake in the late 90s, and you could play online.
patrick carney
We might have just had shitty internet.
joe rogan
You could get good internet back then.
They had cable.
People had cable.
But if you had dial-up, that sucked.
You definitely couldn't play dial-up.
patrick carney
No, we had cable, but...
joe rogan
Did you have cable internet?
patrick carney
No, we did.
I just remember trying to play Call of Duty online.
It would not really work.
joe rogan
It could be a bunch of things.
You could have had a shit connection.
But there was a lot of people playing video games online at 2004. But that thing, whatever the fuck that Tic Tac thing was, it's the speed that it moved at.
It doesn't make any sense.
patrick carney
Yeah, changing directions.
joe rogan
And the fact that they have so many different people that saw it and they got video footage of it.
And the guy who I interviewed, David Fravor, the guy who was the pilot who came out and talked about it, he's not a loon at all.
He's just a rock solid pilot who, you know, with everything else, he's 100% by the book.
He talks like a jet fighter pilot.
They're all like super disciplined guys.
Like, they don't fuck around.
And so when he's telling you about this thing, he's also not fucking around.
He's explaining it to you in terms of what the instrument panel was showing him, that they had locked onto it, that this thing was jamming their radar signals.
Like, whatever it was doing, that's what led them to be alarmed, because that's technically, I think that's an act of war.
I think you're not allowed to jam radar signals from another vehicle.
And whatever the fuck this thing was also flew at some insane rate of speed right to their cat point, which is where they were supposed to meet up.
Like, the thing knew where they were supposed to meet up.
Like, see ya, ha ha, pew, took off.
So that could be that aliens knew it, they read their instrument and knew it, or it could be that we knew it, humans, people knew it, because this is theirs.
They flew this fucking thing around, they wanted to see how people's reaction would be to it if they saw it out there.
They probably let these fighter pilots experience it.
patrick carney
What year did the government acknowledge Area 51?
joe rogan
I don't think they did that until the Obama administration.
I think the story was that they had to expand the boundaries because too many people were camping out and, like, using, like, high-power telescopes and shit and viewing it and using, like, high-power lenses and filming these test flights of different things they were working on.
patrick carney
But, yeah, you know, in the 80s, You know, when I was like eight, nine, I would get books out of the library about like...
joe rogan
Area 51. Yes.
patrick carney
I mean, that was like a pretty well-known conspiracy theory that turned out to be real.
joe rogan
CIA acknowledges this mysterious Area 51, 2013. Right.
Wow.
Test site for the first time.
patrick carney
Like 25, 30 years after people started talking about it.
joe rogan
Yeah, people were talking about it a long time ago.
patrick carney
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
It was always in UFO folklore that that's where they had to crash discs.
And then the Bob Lazar thing, that was in, like, 89 when he came out and said he worked there.
patrick carney
Right.
joe rogan
Which is still today my favorite one.
That's the one I want to be real.
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
Out of all the ones I want to be real, the Bob Lazar story, it's number one on the list.
patrick carney
Yeah, I mean, is he still alive?
joe rogan
Yep.
Yeah.
He runs United Nuclear.
unidentified
It's like some sort of research company.
joe rogan
They sell chemicals and shit.
He does a bunch of different things.
But while he was filming the documentary about him, he got raided by the FBI. The FBI raided it because apparently they think that he might have...
A sample of this element that's used to power this spaceship.
Because he was working on the propulsion system.
His job was to back-engineer whatever this thing was.
And he said this thing revolved, it all was about this reactor that they had in the center of the craft.
That used this element called 115, which is a new element, and that if you bombard this element with radiation, it does something to distort gravity.
And so they had this thing in the center of the craft, and they knew it worked, but they didn't know how it worked.
And so they were trying to get these scientists, and they'd bring in new scientists.
Like, let's try some new guys.
Let's try this guy.
And so they get this dude who was a young, crazy person who was working at Los Alamos Labs.
He put a fucking jet engine in a Honda.
I mean, he was a maniac.
And they got this guy, and they flew him out, and they said, here it is.
Tell us what it is.
He's like, what the fuck?
And when he first saw it, his reaction was, oh, this is ours.
That's why people keep seeing these flying saucers.
It even had an American flag sticker on it.
He's like, oh, this is ours.
That makes sense.
And then he realized along the way, no, no, no, no, no.
This is impossible.
It doesn't have any seams.
It's like it's 3D printed and it's designed for tiny people, like something that's like three feet tall.
It doesn't have any controls, but somehow or another it works.
Somehow or another it moves and they can lift it up and they can do stuff with it.
What the fuck is this?
And so supposedly he, when he took off, He got a piece of this 115 when they fired him.
The reason they fired him, do you know that story?
patrick carney
No.
joe rogan
It's nuts.
His wife was having an affair because he couldn't tell her that he was working at Area 51. So she assumed he was fucking around.
All their phones are tapped.
Everything's tapped.
Because if you have that kind of top secret clearance, they have to be able to listen to all your phone calls.
So while he's flying, it's 11 p.m.
They're calling me to work.
What?
And he has to get on a plane.
He can't tell her where he's going.
She's like, fuck this marriage.
And so she starts banging her instructor, like a flight instructor.
And so they don't tell him that this is why he's getting fired.
But the emotional turmoil in his life, because his wife is clearly having an affair with him, he can't have top secret clearance anymore.
So now he has to go back.
So now he's like, what the fuck happened?
So he takes his friends.
He takes twice.
He takes his friends.
He's like, on Wednesday night, they pilot these fucking things.
I'm going to take you out.
I'm going to show you this.
So you know I'm not fucking crazy.
And they all observe these things hovering and moving around.
And then he gets arrested.
He gets caught doing it.
And so then he's like, I got to go public.
And so then he gets a hold of George Knapp.
And he tells George Knapp his whole story.
And he's like, I was working at this place.
And they're back engineering spaceships from another fucking planet.
It's nuts.
He said the same story exactly for 30 whatever years.
It's fucking bananas.
dan auerbach
That's amazing.
Yeah, your interviews with him are amazing.
unidentified
I want it to be true so bad.
patrick carney
I do too.
joe rogan
It's a problem though, right?
Because you've seen something though.
patrick carney
Nothing like that, but yeah, it was something.
It was something.
But it wasn't...
I didn't see something that was so mind-blowingly...
It seems like it would be totally plausible that what I saw existed.
It just was quiet.
That was the only thing.
It was odd about it.
joe rogan
That's odd, though.
Something can move in the sky that's quiet.
It doesn't make any sense.
patrick carney
Zero sound.
joe rogan
That doesn't make any sense, especially if it's close enough for you to see it.
It doesn't make any sense.
Also, the way they move.
What can move like that other than a drone?
Drones move like that, but powered by what?
I think the Bob Lazar stuff that he's talking about, I think that's a propulsion system that they've been working on forever.
They theorized the idea of some sort of a gravity propulsion system, something that does something to gravity that allows it to move through things very quickly.
They thought about that like the 1950s that was theorized.
patrick carney
Yeah, I mean, like, don't they say the only way that you could actually, like, traverse the universe is by skipping through different dimensions?
Right?
So with that type of engine that's manipulating gravity, be able to...
Do something like that.
joe rogan
The idea behind it, the way he described it, Lazar described it, is if you thought of space as like your mattress, like a really soft, cushy mattress, and you drop like a giant lead ball in the middle of that mattress and everything would just go...
It would just get sucked in.
He goes, that's what it's doing.
It's a very simplified version of what it's doing, but it's doing something to the gravity that allows it to move in a way that we don't understand yet.
Right.
But this thing, this element 115, it was just completely theoretical until there was a large...
One of the particle colliders detected it.
They detected it for just like a very brief moment when they do those things.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And they said, okay, it's a real element.
And what Bob Lazar is saying is that this element is a stable element that these beings have.
And when they use this stable element.
So we can imagine a world where the properties are very different than ours.
And they might have this element.
It might be just a natural part of their environment for some reason.
patrick carney
Or just some isotope.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Or they've developed it.
Maybe the one that they detected with a collider.
Maybe they figured out how to make it.
patrick carney
What we have to do is go back to the 40s to get those smart people to figure this out.
joe rogan
The people that didn't have calculators.
patrick carney
The pre-bath salt people.
joe rogan
Well, those guys, if you watch Oppenheimer, I guess that's how those guys were rolling.
They were kind of rock star scientists.
They were rockstar scientists, and I think those are the kind of guys that wind up doing rockstar type scientist shit.
And those guys aren't around anymore.
patrick carney
Before there were rockstars, there were people signing their bowling promo photos.
That's what was going on.
Then rock and roll came out, and the bowlers were like, what the fuck?
Prior to the bowlers, I guess it was the scientists.
joe rogan
Well, there was just a limited amount of shit you could watch on TV back then.
So if you put bowling on, people were like, I'll watch.
patrick carney
Yeah.
Right.
And, like, kids would, like, worship a cowboy character.
joe rogan
That was a bowler.
patrick carney
That was a bowler.
unidentified
yeah um Yeah.
patrick carney
I do think it might be that bullying was so popular because it's, even though you couldn't, as we determined, you can't see sports on television prior to like 1995, you could probably, bullying's the least confusing thing you could probably watch on TV. That's true.
It's a static, just the person's throwing the ball, all you have to do is watch one little thing go towards, there's no other players.
joe rogan
They used to have pool on TV back then.
It was a big deal.
They'd have like Willie Moscone matches and they would play him on ABC. That would get confusing.
patrick carney
Well, I guess that you could see the colors of the ball.
joe rogan
Yeah, you could see it.
patrick carney
You could never see the numbers.
joe rogan
Also, but the announcer was always describing what's happening.
patrick carney
So that's what we should go.
We should pitch a radio show.
I'm just thinking about my dad listening to baseball games on the radio but I'm just thinking about how fucking excruciating it would be to have someone radio broadcasting in a pool match.
That's the kind of shit that Kaczynski was into.
joe rogan
What would be better, radio broadcasting that or radio broadcasting bowling?
patrick carney
I think bowling would probably be better.
You'd have the excitement of the pins breaking.
joe rogan
Right, you would hear it.
patrick carney
And also you could be like, okay, he's got two pins left.
joe rogan
Right.
It would be clear.
You could get it in your head.
If you're trying to lay out of a pool table, you're like, where's the five ball?
patrick carney
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
What are you saying?
So the center of the two pockets?
Closer to the left side or the right side?
Okay, in relationship to the six ball.
Where's the six ball?
Is that the end rail?
patrick carney
This is like some Abbott and Costello stuff.
I can see that going down.
joe rogan
It would be fucking terrible.
It would be fucking terrible.
patrick carney
It would be a good skit, actually.
joe rogan
It would be impossible.
You wouldn't be able to map it out.
patrick carney
The most confusing sport to describe over radio.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You're playing eight balls.
There's 15 balls on the table.
Shut the fuck up.
Yeah, they probably...
Couldn't have existed without television.
It's probably once people started looking at it, they're like, wow, this is crazy.
What the kids are playing now though, video games, it's probably really difficult to get kids bowling today.
Like, video games are so insane.
patrick carney
Yeah, they're nuts.
joe rogan
I'm glad they weren't around like that when I was a kid.
patrick carney
Yeah, I kind of stopped playing unless my younger brother comes and visits me.
unidentified
But...
patrick carney
Also, kids are so good at them now.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
patrick carney
But I also think...
I can definitely tell my brain is slowing down.
You know when you're talking to my...
How fast kids process shit?
joe rogan
Yeah.
patrick carney
Oh my god, dude.
I'm like...
I'll say something, and by the time...
I don't know, my two-year-old kid is at least five times faster at understanding something than me.
joe rogan
Do you feel this?
Yeah, they're not tired.
They also don't have mortgages.
patrick carney
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a lot of shit going on.
patrick carney
No, but their brains are just hyper-fast.
joe rogan
Yeah, hyper-fast, and then no responsibilities and no stress.
And they're being taken care of, so they're more relaxed...
patrick carney
So the resolutions, like, that's why years used to feel fucking forever when you were a kid.
joe rogan
Right.
patrick carney
Because your resolution's just, like, so high.
You're just, like, getting every single thing.
And as you get older, you're just, like, you're getting, like, two frames a minute.
joe rogan
Well, also, like, years used to feel so long because you only had lived five of them.
You know, it's crazy.
Another year?
It's not like, Jesus Christ, this is going by so fast, can't believe I'm seven.
patrick carney
But I do think there's an evolutionary thing, right?
Just because you've got to learn so much in those first seven years of your life.
You've got to go from not even understanding how to choose something to do math.
joe rogan
And running.
patrick carney
And run.
joe rogan
Yeah, you've got to learn sports.
patrick carney
You've got to learn to make fun of a certain kid and not the other kid.
joe rogan
But man, if you could pick up a guitar at five, holy shit.
If you were really dedicated, imagine.
Are those extra years of learning a musical instrument?
patrick carney
I mean, I will say, it seems like any child prodigy musician makes shitty music.
unidentified
That seems to be a thing that I've noticed.
patrick carney
That's what I'm always talking about.
I'm always like, who the fuck is letting Doogie Howser be their doctor?
That's what doesn't fucking make sense.
It's cool the kid's smart enough to become a doctor at 11, but no fucking grown person would be like, yeah, my doctor's an 11-year-old child.
Doogie Howser, MD. That's my doctor.
I've selected him.
Like, dude, you know who's fucking selecting that guy?
The dude that tried to fucking show you the fucking monster books.
joe rogan
Probably.
unidentified
Yeah.
patrick carney
he's getting pedoed he's getting reverse I don't know what it is should we end with that That's a good way to end this.
unidentified
I think so.
joe rogan
This was fun.
patrick carney
Thank you for having us back on.
joe rogan
My pleasure.
And again, your fucking new album is amazing.
patrick carney
Thank you.
joe rogan
It's classic Black Keys.
It's so good.
It's so good.
dan auerbach
Thanks, man.
joe rogan
I've listened to it at least 50 times.
It's really good.
I fucking love it.
I gotta get a password to listen to it again.
patrick carney
We'll send it to you in a minute.
joe rogan
Soak it up!
Alright, anything else to tell people?
b-real
The day of the album, it drops...
patrick carney
April 5th.
joe rogan
April 5th, there it is.
unidentified
Ooh, nice.
joe rogan
Good photo.
Look what she's doing to her fingers.
That seems obscene.
patrick carney
It's modeled after a photo that we found, and we couldn't clear it.
We couldn't find the owner, so that's actually Dan's girlfriend.
joe rogan
Congratulations to you, Dan.
patrick carney
Thank you.
joe rogan
You've done well.
unidentified
Thank you.
joe rogan
Awesome.
Again, it's amazing.
Can't wait to be able to get it everywhere.
I think it's right up there with all your best shit.
patrick carney
Thanks, man.
joe rogan
It's fucking awesome.
Appreciate you guys.
Thank you, everybody.
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