Riley Gaines, a former SEC swimmer, reveals how the NCAA’s 2022 policy shift allowed mediocre male swimmers like Leah Thomas—ranked 462nd nationally as a man—to dominate women’s events, crushing records and fairness. She details university censorship, protests at San Francisco State, and congressional attacks calling her a "transphobic bigot," while Joe Rogan and Gaines expose media bias, DEI-driven narratives, and China’s alleged cyber infiltration, questioning ideological agendas over evidence. Their discussion underscores how redefined norms and unchecked activism erode reality, sports integrity, and free speech—demanding logical resistance over echo-chamber outrage. [Automatically generated summary]
Graduated when I was 22. So, you know, 18 years of my life, I really dedicated to my sport.
Impossible to put in the words, you know this, the time and the hours and the dedication and the sacrifices that it takes to compete and ultimately be successful at the highest level.
But of course, I was willing to do this.
I knew I had to.
Right?
You don't get to go to prom.
You don't get to have sleepovers with your friends on Friday night because guess what?
Practice at 6 a.m.
on Saturday.
All of that to really say it's a lifelong journey.
College rolls around.
Truth be told, I really could have gone anywhere that I wanted to swim.
I'm absolutely biased and the SEC is the best conference.
So I knew that was for me, but went to University of Kentucky.
Could not have been a better place for me.
Freshman year, right, there was a lot of adjusting.
It was a lot of time and hours.
I thought I worked hard before.
I was wrong.
We were in the water six hours every single day, with three of those hours being before 8 a.m., right?
So you practice from 5 a.m.
to 8 a.m., go to class, come back, practice again from 1.30 to 4.30.
Ate your dinner, iced your shoulders, went to bed, did it all again the next day.
We swam about 15,000 yards every single day, which is equivalent to like 10-ish miles.
So, lots of adjusting.
Sophomore year, still improving though, still getting better.
Sophomore year rolls around.
We're, you know, I really started having this breakout season, started doing some pretty great things.
Really had finally developed like a sense of consistency, I think.
And about three days before we were supposed to leave for our national championships, which of course, you know, the NCAA, think about basketball, the NCAA tournament, equivalent in swimming, we are ready to go, the meat you work all year, really all your life for.
About three days before we were supposed to leave in March of 2020, our coaches pull us out of the water, sit us down, say, look, you know, if you live in the dorm rooms, pack your stuff up, you have to leave campus tonight.
Of course, COVID had hit.
I didn't really know what this meant at the time.
There's still a lot of uncertainty around this.
So I thought this meant we got a weekend off, we got to go home, we'd quickly return.
But of course, that was not a correct assumption.
Because upon going back home, home is Tennessee for me.
There were no pools open.
There were no gyms open.
Nothing like that.
And so every day I swam miles aimlessly in the lake.
I'd put on a wetsuit and I'd jump in the boat dock and I'd swim down by Johnny Cash's house and I came back and I did the same route every single day.
Because again, I knew that I had to if I wanted to continue this breakout season I was having my junior year or my sophomore year into my junior year.
Right in the amount of snakes that I swam by and like dead catfish that are floating on top of the water that like hit you in your face while you're swimming is not pleasant.
But eventually we were able to come back junior year.
We had to deal with all the COVID theatrics, which I'll be the first person to say that being a college athlete, really being a college student, I would argue being a human during the time of COVID was miserable, to say the least.
But especially being an athlete, right, in terms of the mask mandates and the social distancing and the contact tracing and the mandatory vaccines, which, have you ever seen a swimmer in the pool wearing a mask?
But dealing with all the theatrics outside of all that...
Really, this was the year that I won my first individual SEC title.
University of Kentucky won its first ever program title in school history.
And ultimately, I concluded my junior year placing seventh in the country, which I was proud of, right?
You're top eight.
You're an All-American.
It's a pretty high honor.
But I knew right then and there that I placed seventh in the nation my junior year, that my senior year I had a goal of winning a national title.
So that's kind of the backstory to now kind of finding out about all this other stuff going on.
Senior year rolls around.
About midway through my senior year, I'm right on pace to achieve my goal.
I'm ranked third in the nation behind one amazing female swimmer who I knew very well because, you know, like in most sports, your top-tier athletes know of each other regardless of where you compete because you've grown up competing against each other.
So I knew this girl very well, trailing her by a few 100ths, 10ths of a second maybe.
But the swimmer who was leading the nation By body lengths, might I add, which is a very large margin in swimming, right?
A sport that's measured down to the hundredth of a second.
This swimmer was leading the country by multiple seconds.
Was a swimmer that I had never heard of before.
And this is the first time that me and my teammates became aware of a swimmer named Leah Thomas.
For all we knew at the time, right, keep in mind we hadn't seen a picture Of this person or else things would have been a little more clear.
For all we knew at the time, this was a senior from University of Pennsylvania, which is not a school that historically produces fast swimmers.
Now I would argue is not a school that historically produces really anything good.
Leading the nation by body lengths, ranging in events from the 100 freestyle, which is of course a sprint, and all the freestyle events in between through the mile.
Which, if you don't know swimming, right, think about this in terms of your Olympic runners.
Because that's like saying your best 200 meter runner is your best marathon runner.
You and I both know that that doesn't happen.
They're two totally different systems.
But that's what we were saying in this person.
So I'm scratching my head, right?
I'm talking to my coaches, my teammates.
Who is this person?
We had no idea.
And we continued to stay in the dark until an article came out.
And in this article, very briefly disclosed in a blip of a sentence, as if we were really supposed to just read right over it.
It says, Leah Thomas is formerly Will Thomas and swam three years on the men's team at University of Pennsylvania before deciding to switch to the women's team.
And so when I read this, of course, I was shocked, naturally.
But really, it was kind of like the sense of relief that I felt.
Because at this point, I went to look up who Will Thomas was, because admittedly, I was curious.
You know, was this a lateral movement?
Someone who went from ranking amongst the best of the men to now continuing to rank amongst the best of the women?
Of course, not what we saw, right?
We saw that this was a mediocre man, and that's generous, at best, ranking 462nd in the nation the year prior when competing against the men.
And that's why I say I felt relieved, because I thought that the NCAA would see this how I saw it and how, again, my teammates saw it, how my coaches saw it, how my family saw it, how anyone with any amount of brain activity would probably comprehend this.
Look, nothing hateful about it, nothing even opinionated about it.
The sheer facts on the paper in front of us that this was not a lateral movement by any means.
But lo and behold, the NCAA did not see it that way.
They saw absolutely nothing wrong with this.
And so about three weeks before our national championships in March of 2022, they released a statement saying that Thomas's participation in the women's category was a non-negotiable.
Basically saying that, look, there was nothing that we could do.
As female athletes, there was no questions that we could ask or concerns that we could raise.
We were told that we had to accept this with a smile on our face.
So that's kind of the lead up to that national championships and really how myself and my teammates and really the nation The world actually found out about Leah Thomas.
And I will say, I'd heard of this happening in sports before, but I'd really only heard of it going the other way, right?
So women, females who wanted to self-identify as men, then going to compete in the men's category.
Which, look, I didn't ever agree with.
I never necessarily supported it.
But maybe at the time I didn't see a problem with it, right?
Because no one's, I guess, competition, the men's competition isn't being threatened.
So, you know, I thought it was dumb on the woman's behalf, but whatever.
Actually, in the sport of swimming, again, there was a swimmer from Harvard by the name of Skylar Baylor, competed on the women's team and then decided to switch to the men's team at Harvard.
I don't know of many sports that have been perfect, but swimming, for example, their policy now is if you've gone through male puberty, you can't compete with women, which they were really the first ones to take that bold first step in prioritizing fairness over inclusion.
But the policy insinuates if you have transitioned by the age of 12, then you can compete with the women, which is not satisfactory.
Even taking puberty blockers before the age of 12, there are still advantages that males possess over females.
And even if they didn't, it's the women's category.
It's not for men.
And then you have other sports that have gone the total opposite way, like soccer, for example, that leave it up to self-identification.
As you can imagine, right, like there was a lot of silence.
A lot of people didn't really know what to do, what to say.
There wasn't a lot of clapping.
There was a lot of like protesters and like trans rights activists who were there who were being loud and the posters and blah, blah, blah.
Lots of booing.
Kelly J. Keene was there, who is a phenomenal women's rights activist out of England, and she was there.
I'll never forget, I'm standing on the pool deck, and at this point in time, like, of course, me and all my teammates and my coaches, we all knew this was wrong, but it still...
I didn't know how to talk about it or what to say or what outlet to go to.
And I remember hearing her from the stands and she just said something that we were all thinking and she yelled so loud.
He's a cheater.
And I was like, oh, my gosh, I needed to hear that.
So there was a lot of booing, as you can imagine, lots of silence.
Not as loud, if I'm going to be honest, not as ugly, which I think that gets a lot of media time when you have these men with beards and these big signs.
That certainly catches a lot of cameras.
So they were definitely there.
And looking back, like I said, being able to see them, it inspired me.
It gave me courage to be willing to kind of put my name and face to it.
Because I was scared at first.
Based on just kind of the silencing tactics that were used to keep us quiet, right?
Like, we were told, you know, you'll never get a job if you speak out about this.
Your employer is going to look you up and see that you're a transphobe.
And you don't want that, do you?
You don't want everyone to think that you're transphobic.
Thomas's teammates, right, 16 of these girls, plus their parents at the beginning of the season, signed on to a letter expressing their discomfort in the locker room.
I kid you not, the university responded back with, and I have a screenshot of their response, If you, as women, feel uncomfortable seeing male genitalia, here are some counseling resources that you should seek in an attempt to re-educate yourselves.
At the time, again, this is what I know based off of what his teammates have told me and what really has been public knowledge based off what they post and different things.
At the time of that national championships, he was still dating women and active with women.
So if you're on that team, you're a woman and you have a biological male who's intact, who's having sex with women, walking around naked in the locker room with women.
And if you're uncomfortable with that, you should educate yourself.
And because of this insane cult that 45% of the country's in or whatever it is, you have to deal with this literal mental patient in a woman's sport dominating and everyone's cheering.
Well, I'll tell you, really what had thrusted me over the edge into no longer being willing to lie, ultimately, is he and I raced in the 200 freestyle.
This is the day after he swam the 500 freestyle and won a national title, beat out Olympians beating out American record holders, right?
Keep in mind these aren't scrubs.
They're the most impressive and accomplished female swimmers this world has ever seen.
And again, he beat them all by body lengths.
One second might not sound like a lot of time, but in the sport of swimming, again, measured down to the hundredth of a second, one second is significant.
He beat the entire nation by almost the entire nation of women by almost two full seconds.
Even the time he went last year would have beat every girl in the country this past season by nearly two full seconds, making him the first man to win a Division I NCAA women's title trailblazer.
But the second day of competition, the day after this, he and I race in the 200 freestyle.
So, look, we get on the blocks, dive off, swim eight laps of freestyle, touch the ball at the end.
I look up at the scoreboard.
And almost impossibly enough, Joe, we had gone the exact same time, meaning, of course, we had tied, which is incredibly, one, it's incredibly embarrassing for a 6'4 man to not even be able to beat like a 5'5 female.
But again, going a minute and 40-ish seconds and not even one one-hundredth separated us.
You can't tell me that's not divine intervention.
But tied.
We get out of the water.
We go.
Yeah, you can see here.
We both went 143.40.
Not one of us going 143.39 or 143.41 tying.
Get out of the water.
Go behind the awards podium.
The NCAA official looks at both Thomas and myself.
Thomas, who is towering over me, right?
Six foot four.
And this official looks at both of us and says, great job, you two.
But you tied.
And we only have one trophy.
So we're going to give the trophy to Leah.
Sorry, Riley, you don't get one.
My heart rate was still high, having just competed.
My adrenaline was still pumping.
And so the first thing that I thought ended up being the first thing that I said and the first thought that I had was just what you had just said, right?
Like, isn't this everything that Title IX was passed to prevent from happening?
What do you mean you're going to give the trophy to the man in the women's 200 freestyle?
I asked the question that no one dared ask all season.
And I said, why?
Which, of course, he didn't have an answer as to why.
They didn't give him a script of what to say when someone asks you the dreaded question of why.
And so his first excuse he came up with, he's stumbling on his words and he's, uh...
Well, we're actually just doing this in chronological order, he said.
And so I said, okay, do you mean alphabetical?
Because G comes before T. Otherwise, I literally have no idea what you're being chronological about.
Right?
We tied.
So again, what's your rationale here?
And finally, he realized that he didn't have a justification.
He didn't have an answer for this.
And so...
And I actually appreciate his honesty.
This is when his face changed.
He looked sad.
His voice changed.
I could tell he didn't even believe what he was about to say.
But this official looked at me and said, Riley, I am so sorry, but we have been advised as an organization that when photos are being taken, it's crucial that the trophy is in Leah's hands.
Again, you can pose with this one, but you have to give yours back.
Leah takes the trophy home.
You go home empty-handed, end of story.
We can eventually mail you one, is what they said.
So it was kind of, it was like that moment when I could, like I felt guilty at that point.
I felt guilty for participating in the farce.
I felt guilty for even getting in the water at this point.
And so it kind of hit me.
I won't say I was necessarily cowering because I didn't feel like that to me.
I wasn't necessarily scared to approach the topic.
I just thought someone else would.
I thought a coach would.
Would say something.
I thought some other swimmer.
I thought someone with political power, someone within the NCAA. Quite honestly, I thought someone's dad would come down there and yank this man out of our locker rooms.
But it was in that moment where we were standing on the podium, myself included.
I'm standing on the podium.
And we're clapping.
And we're smiling.
And we're cheering.
And it hit me.
I'm like...
What in the world are we clapping for?
Because, I mean, really what we're applauding is our own erasure, our own demolition.
And so it was right then and there that, again, like a slap across the face, I was like...
How in the world can we, as women, as female athletes, expect someone to stand up for us if we aren't even willing to stand up for us?
Like, this has to come from us.
So again, I knew all season the unfair competition was wrong.
I knew all season that the locker room...
Aspect was wrong.
I knew that the silencing that we were facing from our universities, I knew all of that was wrong.
We all did.
But it wasn't until this official reduced everything that we had worked our entire lives for down to a photo op to validate the feelings and the identity of a man at the expense of our own.
That's really when I decided that I couldn't continue being silent.
As you can imagine, there was a ton of reporters there, like I said, which, swimming is not a sport that garners media attention.
But this meet was unique because there was.
And so my inbox Was filled with different reporters who had been reaching out to me from all the different outlets, left-leaning, right-leaning, everything in between, who were desperately hoping to get a quote or an interview that they could take back to their editor so they could have this story.
Because up until this point, remember, really no one had spoken about this, at least not with their face and their name to it.
Some people anonymously, even some of his teammates had spoken anonymously at this point.
And so we had been, this training that we went to previously, I mentioned, where we had to learn how to use she, her pronouns.
We were also told that any media opportunity that came our way, we had to forward on to our sports information director.
I will say, and I'll be honest here, my school, University of Kentucky, the athletic side of the university and of this space, Treated me awesome.
Like my athletic director, Mitch Barnhart at Kentucky, who's been there for 20 plus years.
An incredible Christian.
Just an incredible stand-up guy who leads.
By example, he's a wonderful human.
He's always been supportive of me.
Not even necessarily my stance, but supportive of me, which means a lot.
And my coach, Lars Jorgensen, who had coached there for 10 years at the time.
Amazing and supportive of me.
But a lot of the kind of silencing and submission stuff came from the academic, academia side or the compliance side of things.
So my athletic side of my university was wonderful.
But yeah, the compliance side.
I was even told specifically, Riley, remember, you signed a scholarship, and when you signed that scholarship, they went as far to say, you gave away your rights to speak in your own personal capacity.
Remember, you represent us.
Remember whose name is across your chest and across your cap, because it's not your own.
And understand this is not specific to just the University of Kentucky.
This is why there are so few voices really speaking out in my position, right?
Like young college age girls who have been impacted or affected by this.
This is why so few are willing to take a stand.
It's because it works.
it at Roanoke College in Virginia.
It's the same story because it's always the same story where this mediocre man who swims three years on the men's team decides his senior year he wants to join the women's team to become a record smasher.
Same thing happened there.
These girls, they're getting in contact with me saying, hey, this boy on the boys team wants to join the women's team.
But they told me that they got to vote on if they wanted him on the team or not.
And so these girls, you know, they're talking to me.
They're like, yeah, there's 17 of us on the team and all 17 of us are going to say no.
And I was like, that's great.
You know, we haven't seen really unity in this topic amongst the whole team.
So that's wonderful.
And so they go into their meeting where they were told they got to anonymously vote.
The coach walks in, has the boy with him.
He says, hey, I know I told you the vote was going to be anonymous, but it's actually going to be by show of hands.
And I'm going to let the boy here give a speech before.
So the boy gets up, gives us talk, and he says, hey, if you don't vote yes, I will kill myself and it will be your fault.
So as you can imagine, 13 of those 17 girls changed their vote to yes.
And it's because they were told they were going to be a murderer.
They're equating advocating for fair play and privacy in areas of undressing with having blood on your hands.
Same thing that Leah Thomas' school, UPenn, Told those girls that if they do speak out and any harm whatsoever comes towards his way, right, whether it's through social media, through, I mean, emotional harm, physical harm, self-inflicted for that matter, they told these girls that they would solely be responsible, that would make them a potential murderer.
And you don't want to be a potential murderer, do you?
No, so I suggest you be kind and I suggest you be inclusive.
I mean, this whole process, even looking back now, and maybe at the time, like, I didn't necessarily see it for exactly what it is.
Having really removed myself from the situation now, and looking back, it's like, whoa, how did they get us all to...
Not that I ever conformed.
Again, I never thought this was right.
But I mean, we went along with it.
And how in the world did they manage to achieve that?
And I think a lot of this truly, again, being a college athlete during the time of COVID, I think that's when they learned they could control us.
Because again, our universities told us during that time, my junior year, the vaccines were mandatory.
You had to get the vaccine.
Me?
Look, at this point, I'd already had COVID, right?
I had the natural...
I had the antibodies, which I thought was the best natural immunity.
I'm young.
I'm healthy.
I'm not anti-vax or anything like that, but I just didn't really see the point of me getting the COVID vaccine.
And so...
I said, no.
I said, I'm not getting that.
They said, Riley, remember, you're the team captain.
You're going to be hurting your team if you don't get it.
And you're supposed to be the leader, Riley.
And so I really struggled with this because I didn't want to be hurting my team.
Before my own personal success, I cared about how my team did, how my teammates did.
And so I really struggled with this.
But finally, I realized, you know, Mandatory didn't actually mean law.
It doesn't actually mean required.
And so I stood my ground.
But truthfully, I think that's the first time that I learned how to stand up for myself.
And I think that incident and really the whole COVID thing helped me stand up for myself my senior year when, again, the same tactics, the same emotional blackmail and gaslighting, really, that they were using.
And it doesn't make sense to anybody who's not in the cult.
But the people in the cult, they'll use terms like when that person said, If you don't vote for me, I'm going to kill myself.
They use these very sneaky terms like life-saving, gender-affirming care in regards to castrating children and putting them on hormone blockers and removing their breasts.
They use this crazy term that seems like, well, it's got to be good.
Think about the message that even just the verbiage of gender-affirming care sends, whether it's to a minor or anyone for that matter, we're telling them, especially kids, we're telling them that they're correct to feel as if they were born in the wrong body, which, what a terrible message.
We should be telling them that they're perfect just the way God created them.
That's what we should be telling these kids, but that's not the message that they're being sent.
And even this verbiage of sex reassignment surgery, it sounds harmless, but when you say it, it's as if you're subconsciously admitting that you can, in fact, reassign your sex, which is so detrimental to...
The English language.
And we're playing into their game when we use that verbiage.
Even the verbiage of biological woman.
I've got such a problem with.
And I didn't always because, again, I thought I had to make the distinction.
I am a biological female.
Thomas is a biological male.
I had to take a lot of math courses, upper-level math courses in college.
And so I'm sitting there one day and I'm like...
If this was an algebra equation, wouldn't those words biological just like cancel each other out?
Like, why are we saying that?
And then it hit me.
I'm like, how silly and redundant, as if I have to add that prerequisite of biological to declare I'm a biological being.
That's so dumb, quite frankly.
And when we say it, it's as if we're subconsciously admitting that there's an unbiological alternative to being a man or a woman or a male or a female or a girl or a boy.
All of that to say, to get back to the very first question, never in my short 23 years would I have imagined that it's necessary to take the steps and the actions that we're taking.
To even have to define this word woman, right?
But we've reached a point now where not only is it necessary, I would argue that it's urgent we define this word.
In the nearly 250-ish years we've been established as a country, we have never struggled to define this word.
Yet here in 2024, we have a sitting Supreme Court justice who can't even answer what a woman is because she claims she's not a biologist.
And so a big piece of what I've been working on, I've been working with Independent Women's Forum to develop and create a new piece of legislation.
That does just that, define the word women, woman, and other sex-based terms in statute.
It's been passed now in four different states, Kansas, Tennessee, Oklahoma, and Nebraska, both Oklahoma and Nebraska by executive order, which in great leadership by Governor Pillen and Governor Stitt of Oklahoma, it's tracking in like 13 different states right now.
So again, all of that to say, it's a telltale sign of where we are today.
It's not even remotely close, and yet it has been taken up by a giant swath of the greatest country the world has ever known.
Like, that is very bizarre.
What I was going to say earlier is, Douglas Murray, who's the British intellectual, who's a brilliant guy, and he said this, and he started saying it years ago.
He's like, whenever a civilization is in collapse, They become obsessed with gender.
And honestly, if you take all of the different little pieces of what we're seeing, especially as it pertains to, like, the cultural issues that are really plaguing this country, right, if you look at the denial of objective truth, the shift in our language, like we mentioned, the breakdown of We used to be a country that proudly said, in God we trust, in one nation under God.
You look at the breakdown of the nuclear family and really pinning parents and kids against each other.
You look at the breakdown of our freedoms, such as the freedom of speech.
You look at the propaganda that's being spread through the media.
I mean, the list goes on of all of these different little things.
If you put them together, It points in one direction.
And that direction, not to sound conspiracist or crazy here, is truly Marxism.
Or, right, like you talk to someone from North Korea or China or Germany or Cuba or Brazil or Venezuela or Russia or any of these countries that have once embraced this socialist, communist, Marxist regime.
And they will tell you that it's a slippery slope.
And it's a slippery slope, but by the hands and feet of our own leaders, the people in the White House, we are actively being led down.
And like you said, sex, the most basic of truths, the sheer essence of humanity, hate to break it to you, myself, every single person watching and listening.
You're all here for man and woman.
And so being asked to deny that is as if we're being asked to deny that the sky is blue.
Or being told to say 2 plus 2 is 5. And if anyone has read 1984 or had a brief understanding of history, like you said, you will understand what it means when we start saying 2 plus 2 is 5. It's a pretty scary, chilling thought, really.
And look, I agree with you that it did start during COVID because it started during this exercise of control and mandating things.
Yeah.
And they didn't do it based on any data.
They didn't do it, especially with young athletes, especially with young athletes.
What they did to do is do that so that if you can get compliance with absolutely everybody, so if you can get the people who don't need this medication at all to mandate it for children, for young, healthy athletes, for people that have zero fear of dying from COVID, and if you can force them into doing it, You can kind of force them to do a lot of things.
If you can force them to accept the most chaotic notion, like that we shouldn't have a border, and just let people run through, and if it's terrorists, well hey, maybe they want a better life.
If they learned anything from COVID, one of the things they learned is that during a period of destabilization, people are much more compliant.
And COVID was a massive period of destabilization to the point where they put into place illogical laws that restricted people's ability to keep their businesses open while leaving gigantic businesses wide open.
Walk through Target, no one gets sick there.
But if you go to mom and pop's candle shop, everyone's gonna die.
And none of that made any sense.
None of it made any sense.
And they got us to get through with that.
If they can destabilize the country in the form of letting violence into the country, And then also, at the same time, simultaneously cracking down on gun laws in America and imposing more gun control on the citizens.
I mean, I don't want to fucking secure my tinfoil hat on.
But if I was going to do it, if I was an evil person who had this goal of the destruction of America, that's how I would do it.
I would get everybody involved in the most nonsensical bullshit arguments.
Use 78 different gender pronouns.
And if you go and call someone a Zzer...
We had this conversation with Christopher Ruffo the other day.
This whole new Title IX rewrite that the Biden administration is pursuing that will be, I believe, announced in the next couple weeks.
And under this new rewrite, it is sexual harassment.
You would be guilty and charged with sexual harassment if you, a 17-year-old girl who's housed with a male in your dorm room, if you go to your administration and complain expressing that you feel uncomfortable being housed with a male, you're charged with sexual harassment.
Not the man who's parading around your locker room or your bathroom saying, No, that's brave or stunning or inspiring or whatever other virtuous word they want to use.
But you calling a spade a spade is grounds for sexual harassment.
They're on a team, and they'll fucking support that team, full stop, no matter what.
And it's that same sort of behavior that exists in any group of people that's ideologically captured.
Whether you're a fucking lifelong Red Sox fan, or you're a Democrat to the death.
Blue no matter who.
And there's people that just do that proudly, and they announce it on Twitter, and they get a bunch of people with 30 cats in their comments all commenting, yay!
Like, I would say before being conservative, I've always been a Christian.
And so my values as a Christian align more conservative.
Yeah.
But what I've noticed these past two years, I'm really eye-opened to the amount of corruption, to the amount of string-pulling, to the amount of really crazy people on both sides.
So we talk a lot about the left, because they don't try and mask theirs, at least the, like, very extreme radical left, like those protesters or the people who protest me, which, like...
Psycho.
I was in Milwaukee recently, and I had protesters stand outside my hotel room for hours, Joe, hours chanting, Riley can't swim.
It's a human characteristic and people, they jump into these ideologies not because they're well thought out and because it makes sense.
It's because human beings are tribal by nature.
And when we find a group, look, I see people talk about cults sometimes, like in a documentary.
I'm like, that seems like fun.
And I'm a grown man.
If I was an 18-year-old boy and that happened, or a 16-year-old boy, and I encountered them, I'm young and impressionable, 100% I could get sucked into it.
You can get sucked into the left, you could get sucked into the right.
And then you're around like-minded people, and the nuttiest, most ambitious, and most fucking psychotic of that group are the ones in the far outlines.
It's the Patriot Front on one side, and it's Antifa on the other side.
And those people, they'll allow the Antifa people to fucking blow up things and light things on fire, like, well, some violence is necessary to achieve means.
It's like the strong arm of the Democratic Party.
And then for the right, they've got to kind of ignore the really loony right-wing fucking Confederate flag dudes.
Like, you've got to kind of push those aside, too.
They've overtaken every public square, whether it's academia, whether it's corporate America, whether it's our government, the media.
I mean, every every public square, which is why now, honestly, I feel like a lot of people who maybe would have considered themselves previously as kind of like apolitical or, you know, someone who didn't really look at what's going on around the world.
Like you said, have jobs and families.
They have their heads down.
They're not they don't look at the outside noise.
I think it's waking a lot of people up, which is a good thing.
That's the beauty of a democracy, really.
The American Republic is having the people as the power.
I mean, I think there's enough people that are realizing that this whole system is like completely fucked and that it's really just about money and power and control.
And they use all these social issues as, you know, it's like a galvanizing force to get whatever their financial agenda is pushed through.
That's all it is.
When the Biden administration is talking about DEI, it's just tied into banks.
It's how they can fund businesses and give them loans.
If you have more people that are this, we'll give you more of that.
It's just a way to control businesses.
And the whole thing is just all about money.
It's all a gigantic con game.
Like I said, if I was a fucking tinfoil hat guy, if I was thinking that this is someone trying to destroy the country, this is how I would do it.
I would have people willing to vote for their own demise, not advocating for freedom, if that freedom gives freedom to the people that are opposed to them.
We're so stupid and closed-minded, we're willing to burn it all down just to silence people.
And for anybody who thinks that's exaggerating, you have to take into consideration that is not a business move that any corporation that wants to make money would have approved.
He's like, you people are out of your fucking minds.
Like, what are you doing?
So he literally has to step in and buy a social media platform.
And then upon doing so...
They release all these emails to these journalists like Michael Schellenberger and Matt Taibbi and you find out through all this that they've been in contact with the FBI and the FBI has been telling them to delete accounts and get rid of posts and...
And it's the only platform that I've found where I don't get my videos or posts removed.
TikTok, right?
I was hesitant for TikTok for a long time for a lot of reasons, right?
Like we hear that the Chinese are spying on us and going to take our information and blah, blah, blah.
So I didn't want to post on TikTok for a long time.
But I had a profile.
I'd sometimes view videos.
Again, never really posting.
And then one day I go to my profile and I have like 20,000 followers having never posted.
I'm like, this is crazy.
Clearly there's an audience here on TikTok, and it's unique because it's a younger audience, which has been a big push of mine is to target younger people, people my age, to really engage them and help them see what's going on.
So I was like, maybe I will start posting to TikTok.
My videos went viral and every single video is like deleted now.
But I have like almost I think 400,000 followers having only posted like a couple times.
Now again, let's go back to my theory that someone's trying to destroy the country.
If I was the Chinese government and I was in control of a social media platform that's the most addictive and the most used by young kids, I would have as much confusion on there as possible.
And I would have as much men with beards and lipsticks and long nails telling you that all your kids are going to be trans and have that shit everywhere and never take it down.
And anyone who combats this, anyone that starts making sense and resonates with people, get them out of here.
How many people that are coming home on their phone having conversations in private with their wife about the real problems that we have right now with corruption and the Biden laptop is real?
If you think about all the times in history that governments have overthrown other countries, that have invaded other countries, and they've done it with the only methods that were available then.
The only methods that were available then, you need tanks and guns and planes and weapons and bombs and shit, or boats.
Not anymore.
Now you need fucking cyber stuff.
And with that, you could literally destroy the morals and the ethics of an entire generation of people.
Cast aside any ideas.
They're trying to do things now where they're talking about minor attracted persons.
Or whether it's now you have these men, the CDC that says men can produce breast milk and lactate.
I got news for you.
Any man, any man who forces a baby to latch onto his nipple and suck it is using that baby as an erotic prop.
And right, they do this under the guise of human rights.
It is not a human right for anyone to sexually abuse a child.
So all that to say, there's this big push, so it seems, whether it's the gender ideology movement, there's this big push to seemingly normalize pedophilia.
Which is grotesque.
It is perverse.
It's disgusting.
Parents who are okay with this, Democrats who are okay with this, who vote in favor of a lot of this nonsense stuff, you're a sellout to your own child.
And honestly, I think there's a separate conversation that needs to be had if you are an elected official voting in favor of this stuff with kids.
I think there's a separate conversation that needs to be had involving CPS because, again, that's disgusting to say the least.
Well, and honestly, right, like, Again, being a Christian, the Bible tells us that we will reach a point, and Paul says it in Acts and Romans and different places, he tells us that we will reach a point where bitter is seen as sweet, dark is seen as light, and evil is seen as moral.
It's undeniable that that's not what we're seeing now.
And look, that's not to say that...
People who identify as trans are evil.
I don't necessarily think that.
But what is evil is deception.
Manipulation is evil.
Temptation is evil.
Lying and affirming delusions That's evil and that's exactly how Satan works and how he operates is in the darkness but now a lot of it is coming to light again thanks to people like Elon Musk.
It sounds loony when we start having these kind of conversations about like Satan and evil and good and you know and biblical stories but I as more as time goes on I think that what the Bible is Is I think at one point in time there was a very sophisticated society that got wiped out by some sort of a massive natural disaster.
And then over time they told the stories that they had learned since they stopped writing things down and they probably had to live like barbarians for thousands of years.
But they always had the stories.
It's like literally the Big Bang.
In the beginning there was light.
If you told that for thousands of years that's what that would be.
Right.
The Adam and Eve in the garden, the creation, that someone created this, like that they were trying to tell us and that men can go down evil, wicked ways and it can lead to destruction.
And these are some of the symptoms that you'll see when it leads to destruction.
It's just so old and it's been translated so many times from ancient Hebrew and Aramaic and all these different languages down to Greek and Latin and English finally it's like there's so much like what was really said what was really going on because a lot of it seems too on the money like if we wanted to try to put this through some sort of a logical filter figure out like Is someone really trying to warn us about the natural progression that all societies and all civilizations go
down if you don't have a moral compass and if you don't follow and adhere to the rules of God?
Again, with the intention of really trying to garner...
Support from the youth, but also encouraging them to find their own voice and to be bold and to be leaders themselves.
All done through the Leadership Institute, which is just a phenomenal group, but...
A lot of these college campuses I speak on, the protesters, when they hear I'm coming, they'll go to Reddit and they'll start going off, which is hilarious to look at.
But honestly, it's kind of scary.
Like a lot of these people, for instance, I was at San Francisco State a few months back, which was my first mistake going to freaking San Francisco.
But I went there with the intention of Right, like talking about what you and I have talked about, at least from that national championship standpoint, everything that we went through, why it's important.
I went there and what a naive thought to think that these people, these students would come with an open mind and the willingness to have their hearts soften because they did not.
They came with their pitchforks and fire and upon me delivering my speech in a classroom setting, right?
So like a podium at the front, there's seats in the class.
Upon delivering my speech afterwards, a group of protesters entered into the room, hundreds of them, turned off the lights, rushed to the front.
I'm being shoved and hit and jostled.
I'm so confused what's going on.
Punched, right?
But fortunately for me, men in dresses, their punches don't hurt that bad.
But ultimately, these protesters ended up holding me for ransom.
Throughout the night, demanding that if I wanted to make it home to see my family safely again, I had to pay them money.
All the while, you might be wondering, okay, well, where are the police?
Joe, it's San Francisco.
The police are being held for ransom in the same room with me.
I'm looking at the police like, pretty sure I'm being held against my will.
Even now, where there is an ample amount of video footage of this happening, there is audio evidence, there are eyewitness testimonies.
Again, the police were in the room with me.
There's footage that I requested that they never sent me, whether it was CCTV footage or their body cam footage.
There's an ample amount of evidence to charge...
Whoever is responsible, whether it's the students, whether it's the university, whether it's honestly the police department at this point, they have come back now and said that the charges are alleged.
There's nothing they can do.
There's no evidence to prosecute or press charges against anyone.
I'm looking at this.
Keep in mind, right, the dean of students shows up when I'm being held in this room for hours and hours, four hours through the middle of the night in this room.
And the dean of students shows up.
He's negotiating with the students how much I owe each of them to get out.
The price that I had heard was agreed upon through the side of the door was $10 each.
Which I'm mad about, because I think I'm worth more than $10.
But anyways, the university the next day sent out a university-wide email to their, I mean, staff, professors, students, everybody, and said, we are so proud of our brave students for handling Riley Gaines in the manner that they did.
We know how deeply traumatic her presence is on this campus, and so here are some counseling resources for you guys.
I think she thought the system is more rigged than it is because I think most people have never been exposed to national attention and you can speak to this.
They have no idea what the pressure that you've experienced.
You've experienced at a young age, as a person who had no desire to be famous other than be a great athlete, out of nowhere, you get hit with this barrage of attention where you're on Fox News and this and that, newspapers, and some people are labeling you in the most horrible way, and some people, we're proud that she's standing up for women in sports, and you've got this conflict, and you're in the fucking center of it.
And you got crazy people who rush the stage and hit you.
And the cops say, we can't do anything that doesn't show us as an ally to that community.
Like, that's not even America.
Like, where are you?
That's La La Land.
They're living in the Willy Wonka Chocolate Factory.
And we realize that because, honestly, truth and sanity, they always prevail.
It's just kind of a matter of time.
Unfortunately, it takes unfortunate circumstances, like the whole Leah Thomas thing, like the San Francisco State thing, like the things that continue to happen.
It takes those circumstances.
Yeah.
To really see the harm and the severity and the likelihood that they continue at an exponential rate.
So, again, I kind of look at what's going on or, you know, in particular, what happened to me as a lemons to lemonade thing, right?
You take something that should have never happened to anyone, but you do good with it.
And that's certainly what I've been trying to do over these past, again, two years.
And it has.
There's been a lot of good stuff that's been done.
We see a lot of the negative.
We see a lot of the bad.
Certainly that's what's highlighted because that's what gets attention.
That's what gets clicks.
That's what gets likes.
But now, in just two short years, 24 states have some sort of Fairness Women's Sports Bill when only, I think three years ago, only one state did.
So that's pretty incredible.
Lots of traction, lots of momentum.
Like I said, four states implementing a bill now that defines the word woman.
We've seen lots of pushback at the IOC, the International Olympic Committee.
So there's been lots of good things that have been done.
And I certainly choose to celebrate the little wins when we get them.
Well, what you've done is very courageous, because I know the kind of pressure that you must have experienced, and I know the hate that's come your way, and you handle it with class.
And that is not a learned thing, and I think that speaks to one of the things that I think is one of the most important things that kids can ever get involved in, and that's sports.
I know people think of sports as being like, if you're an intellectual, you think of it as being like a jock or a meathead thing, but it teaches you a resolve.
It teaches you, when you have to swim six hours a day, like you have to be strong mentally.
I had to refrain him from going in the locker room at that national championships.
I called him and I'm like, Dad.
There's a man in our locker room.
Because we didn't know this was going to be the arrangement until we saw it.
Until we were actually in there with this, again, 6'4 man, stripping down, fully intact, exposing himself, inches away from where we were simultaneously fully undressed.
I can't even put into words the feeling of having your back turned.
And all of a sudden, again, naked, hearing a man's voice in the locker room.
It's like, it was innate, inherent for every girl in that changing space to cover themselves.
Like, whether it was with their hands or their towels or their clothes.
He's like, Riley, I'm coming down there and I'm going to handle this myself.
And I really was like, Dad, like, he would.
Like, he would do that.
And I'm like, no, we already have one man in the locker room.
We don't need to.
And secondly, like, you'll go to jail and I don't want you there.
So I got this.
I can handle it.
Which, again, the things that I think set me apart from some of my teammates or competitors or other people in my same position is, right, playing sports.
I credit so much of my success and impact that's been had to playing sports.
Secondly, it's having a strong family foundation.
I have two parents, two amazing parents who love each other.
Everyone around me, like my grandparents.
All in very healthy, loving relationships.
I don't have a lot of divorce around me or in my family or anything like that.
I've got lots of siblings.
We're all so close.
So I think my family foundation is a huge aspect to, again, what kind of set me apart.
And third, again, is my faith.
Just knowing the outcome, like we've We just previously spoke about like knowing how this all ends and and really trusting that and having faith in that and Just knowing the battle is already won, that's certainly what keeps me grounded and keeps a smile on my face and an incredibly light heart.
Even when these crazy freaks at San Francisco are running at me, the first thing I do is pray for them.
I'm like, oh my gosh, you look miserable and I can't imagine having that much hatred in my heart.
So I think all of those things are kind of what may be.
Made me a little different.
The combination of those things.
No one thing over the other, but set me apart from some of my peers.
Where the messages I get daily from parents, from coaches, from young female athletes, Who this is happening to, who they don't know what to do.
I just talked to the girl.
I don't know if you saw this video.
It was the basketball game in Massachusetts recently where you've got this like six foot something guy who injured three girls before halftime of this game causing the team to have to forfeit because they didn't have enough players left to play the game.
Talking with this team and this girl Like, she's 13 years old, and she's getting pummeled to the ground by this guy, and she's online reading the comments and stuff, which I never advise, but she is, and there's people calling, you know, this girl a wuss and saying that she's being a baby and she's fine, and she reads that, and it's really hard for her.
But I saw this clip on your show where you were highlighting how he came for me.
And I'm like, dude, who are you?
I don't even know who you are.
He said you never accomplished anything.
Yeah, that's hilarious, right?
I very proudly finished my career as a 12-time All-American.
Five-time SEC champion, the SEC record holder, the fastest person to ever come out of the SEC in the 200 butterfly, making me one of the fastest Americans of all time, SEC scholar athlete of the year, SEC community service leader of the year.
Like, I mean, I could keep going on.
And it's like, this senile old man wants to attack me?
People like him are really fascinating because the social media interaction, it compounds mental illness in a way that I have never seen in my life with anything.
There's nothing like it.
It is a zombie apocalypse.
It's weird.
There's so many people that are just like deeply involved in social media interaction all day long.
Well, the whole administration, they've stuffed some of these very questionable people that happen to be non-binary or trans or whatever into these roles just for optics.
That's what they did with that Sam Brinton guy, the guy that was stealing women's clothes.
It's so bizarre because, again, in other wars, you had to use weapons.
That's the way to do it.
I mean, they had espionage.
They definitely did steal information and find out strategies and tactics.
Not like today, where you can literally infiltrate a whole section of the country and have them believe that they have to adhere.
If you're going to be left, if you're going to be on the side of the good people that want a social safety net and they want welfare and free education, if you're going to be on that side, you also have to be on the side where perverts don't exist anymore.
There's no more sex offenders.
There's no more pedophiles.
There's minor attracted people and trans men and gender dysphoria is just problematic and transphobic.
And what it really is is just your identity.
And there's a spectrum of genders.
And if you don't use Zzer, we're going to put you in a cage.
And that's honestly what we should be asking ourselves.
I think too often we get kind of wrapped up in like the here and the now.
And ultimately that's how we've gotten to this point, right?
You give an inch, I take a mile type thing.
And we don't see the harm in it at the time.
But yeah, we should be looking ahead 20 plus years.
Five years at this matter.
Things are so expedited.
We should be looking ahead five years.
And again, if we're willing to deny man and woman, what's the next thing they're going to ask us to deny?
And it sounds crazy, but like age?
We've seen some people who identify as trans age out of Canada and different places, even some here in the States, who write the story of this like 55-year-old some man competing with the 13, 14 girls.
Well, I don't know the status of, like, surgical procedures, but I think he has a book out now that talks about kind of, like, how he was totally enthralled in, like, K-pop and all this stuff and really believed to be a part of this, but now is, like—and, like, all the woke gender ideology stuff, and now he's— Totally like, whoa, what did I do?
unidentified
Now he's going to go to CPAC. Now he's going to go to CPAC. That's what he's doing now.
And when you give crazy people the opportunity to be protected under the walled garden of the LGBTQTAI +, you're inviting crazy people to infiltrate your organization, which will fuck up any legitimate concerns that people have of letting people live whatever way they want to live.
The way I look at this and the way I look at all things Is I don't ever want to tell people what to do.
I don't want to tell anyone what to do.
But I'm always very concerned when people do want to tell people what to do.
There was a regional college track and field meet where a male runner competing on the women's team at Rochester Institute of Technology, RIT, in New York, this past week competed, broke the regional meet record, of course.
The girl who got second was an African American female.
Let's call this what this is.
This is a white man standing atop the podium, left crickets.
Nothing.
Nothing.
So I think oppression Olympics is actually a great way to put it.
I've seen in California prisons now where AIDS and HIV is running rampant in women's prisons.
I know it.
It's crazy.
But again, to your point, even the whole language thing we talked about, we don't see...
Men's language being infiltrated and taken over like we have this attack on the word woman or the word female.
There was just a bill in California again last week where it would replace female in all state statute with the word person.
We're not seeing that go the other way.
I think for a couple reasons.
First and foremost, Men wouldn't put up with it for a second.
Could you imagine, right?
Like, women are now called cervix havers, or uterus owners, or menstruators, or bleeders, or chest feeders, or birthing person.
Could you imagine?
The equivalent, right?
To egg producer.
If we started calling men sperm producers, or we started calling men erection havers, could you imagine the outrage from men?
But it shows you too, like, The minute men felt threatened with the whole Bud Light thing, Bud Light essentially lost $27 billion overnight.
But their next commercial, which shows you how money moves a lot of this stuff, their next commercial was a big burly man on a motorcycle with a camo can.
Like, they're not following red or blue, they're following green.
But it shows you too, like, we talk a lot, especially in this space that I've kind of been involved in, of the physical differences between men and women.
But I think how the whole language scene, how I portray it, is we see the innate characteristic differences between men and women because the same assertive dominant men who have always and will always be men are the same men claiming to be women demanding the language that we use.
And the same apologetic, emotionally driven, empathetic women who have been and will always be women When they enter into a man's space, they're not demanding anything.
Because again, they're the same women they always have been.
And it shows the differences that we possess within our characteristics almost innately.
And it's such an important point to point out because this is the problem that a lot of feminists are having, where these biological males are calling themselves women and entering into these women's spaces and then dominating the way men dominate things and behaving the way men behave.
Unfortunately, a lot of it is supported by a lot of these older liberal women, which is really strange.
They can't see.
This is you.
This is your group.
For being virtuous, for the sake of signaling to the tribe that you're willing to be a fucking loon and buy into this where it makes no sense whatsoever.
I testified before Congress last month or whenever it was about the importance of, or I guess really urging the Biden administration to halt with their illegal administrative rewrite of Title IX. I've testified before Congress and the Senate many times, which it's unfathomable to me.
That a 23-year-old, recent college graduate, college swimmer at that, has to go to D.C. to sit in front of our members of Congress, again, the beating heart of the American Republic, and explain to them that men and women are different.
And then to be on the other side of that table and watch as they have these super confused looks on their faces.
And so I'm there testifying.
One of the Democrat witnesses, I forget her name, but she was the president of the National Women's Law Center.
In her testimony, she says that women should just learn how to lose more gracefully.
I'm like, did you really just say that?
And you're the president of the National Women's Law Center.
What a disgrace you are.
What a crazy thing to say.
And it was hilarious because Representative Lee, a Democrat from Pennsylvania, she was the ranking member, supposed to be, I believe, Katie Porter, who didn't show up.
But anyways, ranking member Lee, she starts reading her opening monologue.
The first words that come out of her mouth is she says, I can't believe that I'm forced to sit here and listen to this transphobic bigotry.
And really, I felt so sad when I heard that.
Because, again, a sitting member of Congress and she resorts to name calling, not dissuading from my side with facts or logic or reasoning or common sense or science.
What happened to follow the science?
Name-calling.
And so it's my turn to read my testimony.
And I read it, I finish it.
And I didn't even mean to say this, but it just kind of...
It came out of my mouth and I looked at her and I said, Representative Lee, if my opening testimony makes me transphobic, then understand, by your own logic, your opening monologue makes you a misogynist.
Which, as you can imagine, sent the hearing into a tailspin.
I don't think she has ever actually heard this word misogynist accurately used in a sentence.
Because about 60 seconds later, after her staff ran over to her and showed her the definition, about 60 seconds later, she raises her hand and she says, I want her words removed from the record on the grounds of engaging in personalities, is what she said, which Marjorie Taylor Greene was in that hearing.
And so she buzzes in and she says, I would call a man posing as a woman someone who's engaging in personalities.
And then it's like, then it's really like, I'm like, oh gosh, what have I done?
It's just so strange that the language has been twisted so far that just saying what you were saying about protecting women's sports, this person, their first response is to call it bigoted transphobia.
They just find a target and they think they can go after it and they throw all their stupid words at it.
And there's a giant percentage of this country that's mentally ill and also unstable in the sense of how they view the future.
They see what's going on in Gaza.
They see what's going on in Ukraine.
They see President Biden getting tripped by ghosts.
And they're like, what the fuck are we doing?
Like, what is this?
And they're all terrified.
And they're engaged in all this online nonsense all day long, arguing with people.
And they think they're activists and they're blocking the highway for climate change.
They're just like a giant swath of our populations out of their fucking minds.
And I don't fault them.
You're being raised Through this coddling university system, you're being introduced as a young, influential person to these preposterous Marxist ideas that have never worked anywhere, that I always equate with rabies.
It's like rabies kills like 99% of the people.
Imagine being someone who's like, yeah, but it's just like, no one's figured out how to do rabies right.
Like, I'm going to do rabies right.
That's what communism is.
It's ruined every single fucking country it's ever been implemented in.
And we're like, yeah, but we've got to do it right.
But young people are easily suggestible, are easily influenced.
They don't have life experiences.
They don't have, especially if you've never engaged in anything good, truly difficult.
One thing I notice about high-level athletes in particular is that there's no room for bullshit.
There's no room for bullshit.
If you're in the pool six hours a day, there's no room for bullshit.
There's no room for your fake talk and nonsense, and this is what it is, and if I don't appreciate it for what it is, then I'm losing time.
Then I'm fucked, then I'm behind.
It's like there's a level of discipline that's involved, and it's one of the reasons why high-level athletes make great leaders, because they have the ability to discern what's real and what's not real, because they've had to deal with it with themselves.
There's, I think, an Ernst& Young study that showed, I think, 94% of female executives, so C-level executives, so like a CEO, CMO, whatever, 94% of those women were female athletes, which is to your point.
Yeah.
It's because they understand leadership.
They understand having a sense of self that's bigger than yourself.
These people who haven't played sports or really haven't been involved in anything other than their weird activism, they don't understand what being on a team and working together towards a goal, a tangible, real goal, is like.
And that's why they're all selfish and narcissistic and entitled and little babies.
Well, it's a much more difficult path, and most people aren't going to be willing to do it.
They're not going to have the willpower, they're not going to have the discipline, and they're not going to continue, especially when you think about, like, your athletic career and how many accomplishments you achieved and then kept going and kept going and kept going.
It's a very different mindset, but it's a mindset that if you can acquire at a young age, and it does come with sacrifice and it comes with you're going to miss a lot of stuff, if you can acquire that, it will be a superpower for the rest of your life.
There's people that appreciate that and there's people that don't understand that they're malnourished.
They don't understand they're malnourished emotionally, physically, psychologically.
They're malnourished.
They haven't experienced enough truly difficult things where they've had to power through and develop confidence and understand themselves to the point where they don't even know what that means.
So they're just out there screaming out the window.
And I think there's more people that are listening now than ever before because there's outlets where you can actually have these conversations instead of being trapped in some fucking MSNBC bubble.
It's not just people saying things that sound, you know, like we were mentioning, like, I never want to sound like some big conspiracist or doomsday person who's like preparing for the end of the world, right?
Like, But.
But.
But.
But it's like the stuff that maybe, like we've said five years ago, ten years ago, like we thought, oh, that will never happen.
It's hard to experience something and not be aware that this is very unusual.
And it's just normal life for us.
It's like, God, life is so crazy.
But yeah, but if you could look at this from an overhead perspective, if you had like a graph and showing what's happening in the world from 2004 to 2024, you'd be like, whoa.
Like, again, always been Christian, always have...
Aligned with conservative values.
But I had my head down.
I was focused on my success, more importantly, my team's success.
I was focused on my career.
I was focused on my personal relationships, getting married at a young age, in college.
I was focused on not the cultural stuff going on around the world.
So I think to myself, like, It is so unfortunate that I had to be directly impacted before I cared.
But I did.
I honestly did.
And if all of us have that same mindset that unfortunately I had, it's too late.
We're screwed, quite frankly.
That's why it's crucial that you find your voice.
You speak up about stuff.
You call out an injustice when you see it.
You hold their feet to the fire before you're directly impacted.
Because again, if we all wait just like I did, and I wonder to myself, like, Obviously, this is not the path I would be on if I hadn't spoken up about it at the time.
But, like, would I—I shouldn't say would I care.
I think I would always care, but, like, would I take action to do something about it if it hadn't impacted me?
Probably not.
Like, being real here, like, I know myself.
I know—again, I always would have seen it as wrong and something that's harmful to society for sure, but not enough harm being done that I would feel compelled to speak about it.
But it took me being impacted.
So if it can be of encouragement to anyone else and why it's crucial that we do find our voices and we do act boldly and courageously, which I hate to say it even requires courage to say the things that you and I say, like that shouldn't be courageous.
That shouldn't be brave.
No, you know who's brave?
What about those three soldiers who were just transferred back from Jordan a couple weeks ago?
Or our law enforcement officers?
Or first responders?
Or our veterans?
Or our active duty officers?
Like, those people are brave.
Not me for saying there are two sexes, you can't change your sex, and each sex is deserving of equal opportunity, privacy, and safety.
But it is.
I understand that it does require a sense of courage.
You should be embarrassed yourself if this is the way you engage with ideas.
If your ideas were strong enough to stand on their own, they should be debated with a bunch of people that are rational and level-headed and can talk about the pros and cons of each one of those things.
And if they did that, this trans thing would have never gotten into women's sports.
Not a single fucking time.
All the data, every single piece of data, shows that men have an advantage.
They have an advantage in spatial geometry.
They have an advantage in lung size, heart size.
They have an advantage in the shape of the hips.
They have an advantage pretty much across the board in bone density, except some populations of African American women.
And some men.
Weight lifters are different.
There's a bunch of variabilities.
But reaction time is way faster.
There's a bunch of things.
And there's also the male mind, like the hunter-gatherer mind.
That's a real thing.
There's something to that.
And it's why men win at chess.
It doesn't make any fucking sense.
Why aren't women better at chess?
Why do men win at pool?
What is it about the high-level competitors in a bunch of these different things that don't seem to require I get pushed back for this all the time, especially on the chess thing.
We talk a lot about the perspective from women's privacy and safety and different things being threatened, but men are just as deserving as single sex spaces.
It's just a weird fucking thing that everyone's accepted and that to push back on it like this is seen as so problematic and so transphobic and so...
It's just so confusing.
But I think it's shifting the other way.
I really do.
Because I see it with young kids today.
I see it with like high school kids.
I see it with most people that I interact with on a daily basis are happy.
That someone is saying something about this instead of just what they see in the New York Times and what they see in all the mainstream, which if you had to like make a list of all mainstream media, whether it is newspapers, magazines, television channels, what's the ratio of liberal to conservative?
And I was some evil person from another planet or wherever.
And I had my tinfoil hat.
And I was looking at this, like, I would say, well, this is a good way to do it.
Like, just control all the media and have all the media say all these things like life saving, gender affirming, say those statements a lot and, you know, trans rights and This administration is committed to trans rights.
Oh, trans rights.
That's important.
And everybody else is a Nazi, so you've got to be on board with this.
And once you realize there's no substance to anything these people are saying, really.
Right.
And understanding the profiles.
Because again, all of this is pretty much done through social media.
I will tell you, other than protesters I've had at campuses or events or something, I've never once had someone in my day-to-day life come up to me and say something negative.
But I've had thousands say something positive.
So again, most of this is done through social media.
What I've noticed about the profiles it's coming from, they don't have a profile picture a lot of the time.
They're scared to put their own face and name to it.
Two, they are someone who you can tell has never played a sport in their entire life and who has no grasp of the importance of playing sports and honestly the importance of winning and succeeding in your sport.
And this is all just, by the way, what we know about.
I'm sure there's some top secret stuff that they've tried on human beings.
There's no way they haven't.
In the HIV era, in the AIDS epidemic, they experimented on foster kids.
They experimented with vaccines on foster kids and killed some of them.
It's documented.
You could read all about it.
The idea that they wouldn't clone people, shut the fuck up.
They would do whatever they want.
Whatever they want.
Especially in China, somewhere they can get away with it.
So they're going to get to a point where they understand how to create a human being.
And they'll probably say, listen, Riley, you know, as you get older, wouldn't it be nice to take your 80-year-old brain, stick it in 20-year-old Riley's body, let's go!
And Robert Epstein, who's a guy who's sort of documented how this affects elections, says this is essentially election manipulation to a point where, like, statistically you can prove that due to search engine results, you can move a candidate one way or the other.
That it's possible.
Because if you Google Donald Trump and you only find the most horrendous negative things, Donald Trump's success, and then you find corruption and scandal and greed, that's all you can find.
And it takes forever and ever and ever.
Right.
But if you say Joe Biden and you talk about the accomplishments, the up in the economy, the three years, everything's going great.
Look at the inclusiveness.
Look at how many lesbians are in the office.
And when you do that, if that's all you find, a certain percentage of low information voters...
Are going to go to that and it's enough to move the needle by like 10%, 13%?
And they'll try to stop you every step of the way.
And if you do achieve escape philosophy, then they kind of shut up about you because then they realize every time they talk about you, it actually makes it bigger.
Everything that's going on with taking him off the ballots and all the different attacks they've had on him, trying to indict him and arrest him and blah, blah, blah.
It's significantly helping him.
Again, are they that stupid where they don't realize it?
I just don't know how those people get out of this.
I think for the logical sane people, there's enough of us talking that we're just going, this is insane.
Like what you're doing is you're leading us down this road to demise and there's no road map.
No one knows where we're going.
And if you're going to change the definitions of everything and what Vivek wisely calls the tyranny of the oppressed, The oppressed are forcing everyone else to comply with their desires and needs.
And he's right about that because that is what it is.
And they feel because they have that title, they're above all the tyranny of the oppressed.
But if people listen to you, actually listen to you, and not just read the bullshit and the clickbait and listen to you talk, they see a very accomplished woman Who's done amazing things in the world of athletics, who's confronted by this very unique challenge, and you're uniquely qualified to handle it.
And so I think that's what they're going to get out of this.
This lady from Kentucky, this Democrat representative or senator or whatever she is in Kentucky, who was mentioning in their state legislature, said something to the effect of, look, you know...
These minor attracted persons, there's a lot of benefit to having child sex dolls because it can help decrease their appeal and desires for actually, you know, pursuing young children.
So there was a bill introduced That would do just that.
And I see this and I'm like, this lady is evil.
There's really no other word for it.
She's evil.
And then the next day she comes out after it got national attention of what she had said and what she was advocating for is helping...
I wouldn't even say it's helping curb these sexual predators' desires.
And I don't know how it got into the education system, and I don't know how it got into these people's mouths where they got so confident in saying it that they could say it in front of cameras.
Even if you look at something like Scholastic, right?
Like they put on these big book fairs and different things.
Obviously, we've seen the books that they're bringing in to grades as young as kindergarten is crazy, which is why it's important to find...
There's an alternative for everything, whether it's skincare.
Okay, don't use Dove.
We just saw their Super Bowl commercial, which was so funny.
The protagonist was a young girl swimmer in a locker room, and the punchline of the whole commercial was about keeping girls in girl sports.
So I see this watching the Super Bowl, and I'm like, oh my gosh, this is like the first big I'm a big organization who is standing with women and defending women's sports and saying no men in women's sports.
I'm like, this is great.
So I go to their social media profiles because I'm really trying to look into this and see if anyone else caught on to this or if it was just me and I was being hypervigilant.
They were hiding all the replies that had mentioned keeping men out of women's sports.
So I was like, oh my gosh, what virtue signaling?
Fools, really.
So instead of using Dove, use something like Mimi's skincare.
Yeah, but their hook to it was speaking to the mental health of female athletes.
But I saw it and was like, oh, the best way to keep girls in girls' sports...
Yeah, but Dove has outwardly expressed the last Olympics in 2020 when Laurel Hubbard, or 2016...
Laurel Hubbard, a man, powerlifter from New Zealand...
They were like, we love you, Laurel Hubbard.
Here's our products.
Be an ambassador.
Whatever.
So they really don't.
They do, but the best way, right, to keep girls in girls sports is to keep boys and men out of girls sports.
So don't use stuff.
Use something like Nimi skincare.
Or don't wear...
Don't shop at Target.
Use something like Yakim Apparel or Unitas or Scholastic.
Back to Scholastic, right?
Don't use Scholastic.
Don't buy your books from Scholastic.
Use something like Brave Books, which is a phenomenal group and organization that produce these like pro-God, pro-country, pro-America, pro-family, wholesome books that aren't political.
But again, virtuous and I think what kids need to read.
So I think there's alternatives for everything.
And I think that's how we make a difference ultimately, because like we've said, this movement really is driven by dollar signs and by money.
And so while, of course, not everyone can give financially, what everyone can do is stop giving your money to organizations and companies that hate you.