Aaron Rodgers and Joe Rogan tackle Rodgers’ 14-week injury rehab—stem cells, hyperbaric chambers, and bone broth—while debating media censorship of COVID-19 dissent like ivermectin suppression. They critique Bill Gates’ pharmaceutical influence, AI’s "woke" bias, and gender transition trends, calling them ideologically driven and harmful to youth. Exploring ancient UFO theories (Ezekiel’s vision, Vimanas) and Epstein’s Island, they expose systemic corruption, media control, and unaddressed scandals, questioning why powerful figures evade accountability while others face minimal consequences. Ultimately, the episode underscores how profit, ideology, and secrecy shape modern narratives—from sports to science—and erode public trust. [Automatically generated summary]
When Matt Serra was fighting in the UFC, he used to drink so much water that he would have to get up in the middle of the night to pee all the time, so he'd put like a bucket by the side of his bed.
There was some research that was done in Israel about lengthening of telomeres, where they put people on this protocol.
I think it was like a 90-day protocol where they did 60 sessions in 90 days, and it showed that their telomere length increased, which was consistent to a change in age, a biological age of 20 years.
The cool thing is I really attacked the rehab the first few months and kind of wanted to go as hard as I could for two months to see where I was at and also see where the team was at because my goal was to come back.
Nobody has come back really quick from that injury.
Most of the time when it happens, especially during season, there's no need to push a rehab.
Because it happened the first week of the season, I said, you know, let's push this as hard as I can and see if I can come back in December at some point.
So I kind of in my mind had circled Christmas Eve, which would have been 14 weeks post-surgery.
And yeah, I worked really, really hard.
I had a great surgeon who did, you know, a newer process where they kind of attach, anchor the sutures through the tendon back into your heel.
So it allows you to get on your feet quicker.
I did a lot of, you know, other things to speed up the rehab.
I did hyperbaric chamber.
Worked with Brigham at Ways to Well, who I know you're very good friends with and saw him on the podcast here and he's amazing.
I did some stem cells, did full-time rehab up to eight hours a day with an incredible spot in LA and also at home doing extra stuff.
My diet was rock solid.
A lot of bone broth to increase the collagen levels, to increase healing.
And so I felt really, really good.
I made it back on the practice field at 11 weeks.
The way the NFL works with the IR, you can have a three-week window before they've got to make a decision.
So they designate you to return.
You have three weeks before you get activated.
So I was hoping we'd win those three games.
I could come back.
Now, I couldn't sprint and still can at top speed, but I felt like there's been times in my career where I played in a small circle and could have been able to be effective.
That didn't happen, and so they activated me to the roster.
I just got to practice, but I didn't get to play.
But I feel good.
I had a lot of things working against me, my age being the biggest one, but I learned a lot more about health, which I'm sure people will love to hear about.
Yeah, we were doing ultrasounds actually for a while just to see what type of blood flow we were getting to the area.
We didn't actually do another MRI. If I had been activated with the intent to play, I think just for safety for everybody, we probably would have done another MRI just to see the structural integrity of the tendon.
But really, it was about how I felt.
And I was able to do all the quarterback stuff, move in the pocket, throw, step into my foot.
I could actually jog slightly faster than a jog to move and throw.
All things I kind of showed in practice the last few weeks of the season.
But, I mean, he didn't even get into the UFC. I think he was like 36 or 37 when he fought his first fights in the UFC. And he's still fighting at a world-class level.
If you look at the chart, that's the thing about it is they all kind of keep their mouths shut because if you look at the real numbers, it's pretty much divided between Republicans and Democrats.
They know what bills are going to be passed, they buy a shitload of stock, and they pass these bills, and then this whatever industry is goes up, and they make enormous profits.
There's people that are making $150,000, $170,000, $200,000 a year, and they're worth $90 million.
In any other business, you would be investigated.
And if you were a fucking plumber, and you were making $190,000 a year, and you were worth hundreds of millions of dollars, people would go, what the fuck are you doing, Ted?
You know, they would crawl up your ass with a microscope.
Where the fuck did you get this money?
How do you know all these things?
Like, where are you getting this data?
How are you able to do this?
Oh, you pass the laws?
You pass the laws that changes the value of these companies, and then you gamble on that?
That's what you're doing?
You're going to jail.
You're going to jail.
That should be illegal, because you're going to do things to profit That are above and that are ahead.
You're going to put that ahead of the better good of the United States.
They got to take the amount of donations that super PACs and these special interest groups are allowed to give to these politicians and then are completely beholden to them once they get into office.
They have to figure out a way to stop that.
I mean, it should have never been allowed in the first place.
Another thing would be get back on the gold standard.
That would be a great move too, but that's too late.
Forget about the vaccine stuff, which I think he's got very good points about all that stuff.
There's real data.
And if you read his book, if you read the real Anthony Fauci, you would be sick to your stomach if you know the absolute truth.
If it wasn't truth, wasn't truth, he'd be sued.
He's not getting sued for a fucking reason.
But just that alone.
But then if you forget about the vaccine stuff, just look at his environmental record, what he did when he was an environmental attorney.
When he was suing these companies, they cleaned up the Hudson River because of him.
He's an amazing guy.
I really love him.
And the things that he's been saying about what happened during the pandemic, you know, he had some talk that he did recently, some speech, some conversation he did recently that was public.
He was talking about we're being poisoned by food and this is why everybody got so sick from COVID. The disparity between people who got COVID and it was just a cold versus people who got COVID and they were deadly ill is 100% what they're eating and what that does to their body and how it compromises their immune system and how it causes comorbidities like diabetes, type 2 diabetes and obesity and heart disease.
But one of the big points that he made that people, I think, forget is that why are these drug companies, Big Pharma, spending so much money on advertisements during the news is not to sell their products.
So if somebody went after that and said, hey, you're not going to be allowed to advertise on TV anymore, because I think we're one of the only countries, maybe there's one other country.
It would be, you know, they would be attacked for anti-science or whatever it might be.
What RFK wants to do, you know, kind of the dismantling or the reforming, realigning of the CDC and NIH and some of these alphabet companies who've been lying and misleading the public for so long, you know, he would get absolutely slaughtered by the media.
So when you come out and talk about, you know, what you use to heal yourself during COVID, or when I come out and talk about, or Dr. Peter McCullough, or Robert Malone, or insert anybody who was just trying to bring Peter Corey, they get absolutely railroaded and censored and silenced and attacked and slandered.
And the fact that people went along with it because they thought ideologically that that group of people aligned with their side and the other side was Donald Trump and the MAGA and the vaccine deniers and all the craziness that they attributed to that.
I mean, it's really kind of brilliant the way they've pushed this propaganda.
But at the end of the day, it's not beneficial to the greater good of society.
If the media was legitimate, they would be talking about one of the biggest crises that's happening in this country right now, which is a massive increase in all-cause mortality.
It's a massive increase, and they're completely sign-on on it.
In some age groups, it's a 40-plus percent increase in all-cause mortality—heart attacks, strokes, cancer.
Gee, what do you think happened that changed where all of a sudden there's this massive increase and it coincides with something else?
Don't you think maybe they would investigate that?
Don't you think that, like, you would have some sort of investigative reporter that dives deep into this and gets to the bottom of it?
I lost friends, allies in the media, millions of dollars in sponsorship because I talked about what worked for me and my own beliefs And my own health reasons why I didn't get vaccinated.
Well, I didn't think anything was going to happen.
When it happened with me, I knew that people were upset at me because I was hesitant to take the vaccine, but that was because two people I knew got strokes.
I wasn't initially hesitant at all.
I was set up to take it.
I was set up to take it by the UFC. I was ready to do it.
I was like, okay, shoot me up.
I was going to have them do it to me.
I thought of it like a flu shot.
Like, if I was about to do the UFC and they said, oh, you have to take a flu shot before you go to the UFC, I'm like, alright, just stick me.
I didn't think it was going to be a big deal.
And then they said, well, in two weeks when you're back, just come early and you come to the clinic.
I said, okay, we'll do that.
And then within that two weeks, it got pulled.
Luckily, But it's not just those two guys.
I know a lot of people now with pretty severe vaccine injuries.
So do I. And so many people have reached out to me because of what happened to me.
Celebrities that wanted to be quiet about it.
People that are really hesitant about talking about it openly and publicly.
There's people that are scared because they took it and they're worried that they have a ticking time bomb and they want any information, any information that refutes that and that confirms that they made the right choice.
Also, they did make the right choice morally and ethically when they did it.
They did it because they thought they were doing the right thing.
Everybody has to do it.
We're going to protect everyone.
If we all do this, this is going to get us out of the pandemic.
Because the news media Was being used by these pharmaceutical drug companies to push a very specific narrative.
And they didn't do any critical thinking.
They didn't step outside the box.
They didn't talk to any scientists that differed.
They all just stuck with whatever Fauci said, whatever the NIH said.
And they also demonized people who were saying things that have been proven to be absolutely correct, like the fucking lab leak theory.
If you brought up the lab leak theory, you used to get banned from YouTube.
When was the last time they were talking about a disease that doesn't exist, that's not affecting anybody, that literally there's no one sick, there's no one dying, and they're talking about how it's coming?
Well, the big loser in this, besides the people that lost their jobs and their businesses closed and people lost their lives, the big loser has been mainstream media because the trusted mainstream media is at an all-time low.
I mean, they are laying off journalists left and right.
It's that and it's people steering you to legitimate journalists that are independent.
The Michael Schellenbergers, the Glenn Greenwalls, the people that are experts in their field, the Brett Weinsteins, the people that actually know what they're talking about.
But it's just a weird landscape that we're in now that didn't exist before where we don't – we're absolutely sure that you can't trust the mainstream media anymore.
We're absolutely sure of that.
And even boomers know that now.
Even the people that have been trusting the mainstream media their whole life are like, well, there are definitely – something's wrong.
They don't know what it is, but something's wrong.
So you have to find a way to, whether it's doing all-out tariffs on certain, extra taxes on certain types of products, or I don't know how you're going to change the farming system, especially with Bill Gates being one of the biggest farm landowners there, and he's pushing...
You know, insects and his, what's it called, appeal thing that he's putting on all the fruit and stuff.
But the problem is that in order to eat healthier, you have to spend more money because the shitty food is the least expensive.
See, the guy, I think he was in Congress, he was interviewing somebody and asking these climate change people about how much CO2 is, and they're way off.
But that's what we've done with the last – if you look at – I saw something on X about like what they were telling us in the 60s and the 70s and the 80s.
The world was always going to end based on something, you know, and they – And now it's this climate change.
We've got to change the way we live in order for us to keep going.
It's like they've been doing this for the last five decades.
And there's a tremendous amount of money in controlling the food system.
And if they could get you to only buy their food and they can convince you that their food is somehow or another emits less carbon and come up with some fucking Hollywood math that shows you that this is the only way to do it and this is the way out of this.
You'd be a lot healthier if you're eating stuff that doesn't have fucking...
All kinds of herbicides and pesticides sprayed all over it.
You know, when they've done these tests, when they check people's blood, some insane number, what is it, like 90-something percent of people they tested had glyphosate at detectable levels?
Bayer, the same people that during the Holocaust were, I mean, Brigham talked about that on my podcast, where they took these people that were in the concentration camps, they took 150 women, they tried their drugs on them, killed them, and they said- We need more.
I think there's a silent majority that's like, fuck the media.
Legacy media lies nonstop.
Big Pharma doesn't have our best interest in mind.
Politicians are all corrupted, the majority of them.
Like, people are waking up, I think, slowly.
It's just, they're not the loudest.
Like, I was telling a friend, I said, who do you know in your life that spends their days online trolling accounts, commenting on posts, commenting on X? Nobody.
I don't know anybody like that, who, like, spends their life negative, common, but those are the ones that get amplified and talked about.
I'm like, that's not the swath of the population that's like the majority.
There's a lot of them that are, whether it's from our government or other governments, much more foreign countries.
We know it's been documented that they have these internet troll farms, that they're specifically designed to get people upset and rile them up and get them fighting with each other and diminish our appreciation and our respect for democracy.
I think with Pegasus, the way it was explained to me by Gavin DeBecker, who's a securities expert.
He's awesome.
Gavin said that the first Pegasus, which they got, that's how they got all Bezos' dick pics and all that shit, all the letters to his girlfriend, that apparently her brother was doing something to try to blackmail Bezos.
It's because he got a hold of it somehow or another.
That was through Pegasus.
Pegasus 1, he got a WhatsApp link, supposedly from MBS, from Saudi Arabia.
And he got this WhatsApp link.
He clicks on the link, and that puts Pegasus on his phone, and now they have full access to your phone.
He said with Pegasus 2, all he needs is your number.
I mean, like, there has to be something that turns—I don't know what it is.
It might be the only thing.
It might be.
I mean, that's—it's interesting to see how much has changed, you know, in that over the last, I don't know, 15 years, just how people can talk about it now without being called crazy.
There's some disclosure.
Mm-hmm.
I actually went back to the day I was watching an old...
I think it was from 2018 or 2019 when you had Bob Lazar and Jeremy on.
And, I mean, he's been talking about this forever.
Yeah.
But, like, what's going to happen with that?
There's got to be something.
You know, there's been conspiracies about Project Bluebeam, and there's obviously a lot of these dumbs around the country where there's interesting technology and stuff, but...
I got to think that something...
I think this is going to be crazy.
I think something...
Especially if it gets down to it and it looks like the Trump wave is going to, you know...
Because they can't roll out Weekend at Bernie's and expect him to be able to debate or actually carry a conversation.
I mean, it's a similar sort of playbook in a lot of ways to what they did during the pandemic, where the more they attack him, the more people are like, what the fuck is true?
Because I don't believe you guys anymore, and when you're going after him, I kind of think that you're just doing this because you don't want him to win, and that's Banana Republic shit.
When you're But prosecuting your political opponents, specifically because you don't want your political opponents to be able to make it to the vote, that's Banana Republic shit.
What I'm hoping is one of the things that's happened Over the last few years, specifically, is the deterioration of the trust of media because of the access to information that people have now, where it's just undeniable.
At a certain point in time, they have to admit certain things, like lab leak theory.
They have to admit certain things.
They're avoiding, like the plague, this all-cause mortality increase.
But enough people are aware of it.
Enough people know people that have been vaccine injured.
Enough people know people that have died.
Enough people know young people that have had heart attacks.
Where there's enough suspicion and there's enough pause where people are reconsidering and then there's been this silent shift to the center of people that were like radically left.
Friends of mine that I had in California that were fucking so left, far left, and now they're like ready to vote Republican.
They're literally ready to vote Republican because they don't want this anymore because they see where this is going.
My hope is that with AI and with even more access to information, because the information just streams and it moves on and innovation moves on no matter what we do, that it's going to get to a point where lying is virtually impossible.
And I think that's where this kind of emergent technology leads us to, unless some other superpower gets a hold of it before we do.
But the idea is that it's supposedly the antidote to that.
I think there's enough people that don't want that.
And it just, as time goes on, look, even the fucking New York Times wrote a major story about detransitioners.
So people that were convinced at an early age that they were trans and now they're detransitioning and their lives are ruined.
Their body's ruined.
They can't have children anymore.
They lost their breasts.
They lost their penis.
It's in fucking sanity.
They just had an eight-year-old kid that was taken away from his father because the father doesn't want the boy to be on hormone blockers and the mother does.
This is what Jordan Peterson was warning people about in 2016 when I first met him.
And everybody was like, why do you care about what's happening in colleges?
This is just fringe things that are happening in colleges.
Those people are going to graduate, and they're going to enter into the workforce, and it's a new mentality that exists.
It's not an objective reality mentality.
It's an ideologically-based mentality that's going to change the world At large, unless we stop it in his tracks.
Like, they're not looking at reality.
The fucking detransitioner thing, the fact that it's in the New York Times is big.
But do you know why?
I mean, there's a whole story that somebody wrote about it.
It's because of trial lawyers.
Everyone's going to get sued and it's going to be a big fucking problem because you've thousands of people that have unfortunately given into this.
Kids are extremely malleable.
They're extremely easy to manipulate.
They're extremely easy to influence.
We've always known this.
It's one of the reasons why you don't let children get tattoos.
It's one of the reasons why you don't let children join the military.
It's one of the reasons why you don't let children have children.
It's one of the reasons why we have Ages of consent because we know they're not young enough, they're not smart enough, they're not old enough to make their own decisions.
They can be manipulated.
So if they can be manipulated that way, why the fuck would we think they can't be manipulated by this emerging market, which is gender care, this gender affirming care?
Have you ever seen the map of like gender care from 2007 versus 2022?
Here, I'll send it to you, Jamie, so you can take a look at it.
But it's fucking bananas.
It's a business.
My friend, who is a doctor, told me that his friend, who is a plastic surgeon, who moved into gender transition care, he told me the difference between what that person gets paid for an arthroscopic surgery versus what they get paid for a gender transition.
I forget what the number was for arthroscopic surgery, but for the gender transition, he gets $70,000 every time he does this.
It's a psychological disorder, just like gender dysphoria.
It's a psychological disorder.
It's always been listed as a psychological disorder.
And now in 2024, everyone who is a man who thinks he's a woman is brave and amazing.
No one's sick.
So you're allowing people that are absolutely perverts and sex offenders to go into women's locker rooms with a hard-on, and no one can say anything.
And if you say something, they will protest your business and shut you down.
There's no room for any nuance.
There's no room for someone to say, hey, listen, for some people, there's clearly This thing in them that makes them feel like they're in the wrong body and if we are compassionate and if we are kind, we would want that person to be able to express themselves in any way they want that makes them feel better that helps everybody.
But also, there's perverts.
But also, there's people that if they find out all they have to do is pretend they're a woman and they can go in the women's locker room and watch women change.
They'll do that too.
I'm sure you've seen the guy in Canada, the 50-year-old man that identifies as a 15-year-old girl and got to change in the young girl's locker room and got to compete with these young girls.
A modern pan-Indian umbrella used by some indigenous North Americans to describe native people in their communities who fulfill a traditional third-general ceremonial and social role in their cultures.
Yeah, but that's also what the Lakotas had.
So the Lakota recognized transgender people as someone who is a revered member of society because they understood both men and women.
They also had something called the Heyoko, which was a sacred clown.
They had this one guy who made fun of everything.
Because if you couldn't make fun of things, they were bullshit.
And so that's the way they would test things.
You get mad they're making fun of that?
Oh, that's bullshit.
You're bullshit.
Like if someone made fun of you for being really good at football, you'd be like, okay.
You can't make fun of that.
Say all you want.
You're not going to hurt my feelings.
You know, you're Aaron Rodgers.
You're really fucking good at football.
Like, if someone makes fun of that, but if someone made fun of, you know, your mustache, and you're like, hey man, fuck off.
Like, oh, you got a problem with that mustache.
You think that mustache is stupid.
And so that's how they would test things in their culture that were bullshit.
But the picture is they had Trump coming down the escalator, and he was going down the escalator, and he did wave his right hand.
The thing is, it's the same image.
No matter what, the fact that he did that, and they predicted it, I feel like some people...
If you're intensely creative and clearly those guys are if you're Constantly you have your thumb on the pulse of satire and culture and where things are headed I Think you can see things.
I think you get whispers from the muse.
I think the universe sends you messages.
There's like There's been talk about that in Diana Posolka's book, American Cosmic.
But in that book, one of the things that they go into is 2001 and the monolith.
Whatever it is that brings this monolith to these primitive primates and they see this thing and this thing sort of represents where they're going to and what the future is.
It's kind of...
In the book they theorize whether or not that's a television or it's a screen or it's a cell phone.
But it's this something that's pulling us towards it.
And that Kubrick recognized that.
But Kubrick was a fucking genius.
Like a real scary genius.
Like he would do complex mathematics in his spare time.
And all of his movies were encoded with all this weird, like, Easter egg-y stuff.
Well, there's a lot of people that think that, including me.
Because if I was a foreign government and I wanted to cripple America, I would kill the power grid.
We'd go feral in two weeks.
It would be chaos in two weeks, as soon as people don't have water and food.
And their children are starving.
People go crazy.
They start eating dogs.
They start shooting deer in their neighborhood.
And then that runs out.
And then they realize they don't know how to keep food good.
You know, when it's hot out, they don't know how to get water.
They don't know how to treat water.
It could get real bad real quick.
We are not self-sufficient even remotely.
There's small pockets of human beings in this country that are self-sufficient.
But if you had to guess how many people could survive off-grid if everything went haywire, it's like 1%.
Which is probably what happens when there's a massive catastrophe, some sort of a global catastrophic event like a super volcano or something along those lines.
Well, that's what I've always said is the reason why if you go back Look at like ancient Egypt.
Look at how insanely sophisticated they were.
And if you subscribe to the Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson's perspective, which I do, which is that at one point in time, there was an incredibly sophisticated society, probably more sophisticated than we are, that lived in Africa, in Egypt, and that those people were probably in a different – Different direction, but far more advanced than we are today.
And then they were wiped out.
And then go after that, so if you're talking about 11,000 years ago, 11,800 years ago when they got wiped out and it just, you know, we're down to like 1% of the population.
Think about what history looks like when you go back 4,000 years, 3,000.
It's fucking barbarians.
Just the most horrible instances of brutality and murder and chaos and what Genghis Khan did and what the Mongols did and what, I mean, the pirates and the crusades and all the fucking horrible shit that people did back then.
Because those were the descendants of the people that were so barbaric that they survived.
Those are the descendants of the 1% that made it through that catastrophe.
The fact that that is a place where people go by private jet, so they fly in these jets to tell everybody that they're going to stop pumping out carbon.
What I wanted to ask you before, because I'm fascinated by Egypt, is when you had Randall and Graham on, Randall alluded to technologies that I've actually done some research, even though you shouldn't do your own research.
I've done some research on and thought about how they move those fucking stones.
And there's a lot of people with theories about using frequency to be able to move the stones.
And Randall mentioned on that podcast that he'd been working with a company for like seven years.
They were able to extract energy from the atmosphere, that electricity for everybody.
I think they had, and you can maybe bring something up, Jamie, but they had, I believe they had mercury in these, was it copper kind of balls on top of the buildings, and they figured out a way to extract energy just from the air.
1908, architect Ernest Flagg completed the Singer Building in Lower Manhattan, a bow arts showstopper made for the Singer Sewing Machine Company from a wide-based A slender 27-story tower rose topped with a mansard roof and a delicate lantern spire.
Every inch dripped with sumptuous detail inside and out, vaulted roofs, marble columns with bronze trim, window mullions with spiral...
I don't even know what a mullion is.
With spiral fluting, the lobby was said to have a celestial radiance, a book written about its construction.
For a year, it was the tallest building in the world, 612 feet, and a celebrated landmark for decades after that, but not too much longer, despite its great height.
The pencil-thin tower lacked office space in the 1960s.
The company sold its ornate headquarters.
Demolition proceeded in 1967. It's the tallest building to ever be peacefully demolished.
Peacefully?
Interesting.
By any account, it's a fantastical tale.
Once the tallest building in the world, a New York City icon knocked down in just a handful of decades.
Tartarian-themed content is produced for YouTube videos that get picked over on Reddit.
Our Tartarian architecture sub, which began in 2018, December, has 3,300 members, though not everyone who posts in comments appears to be a true believer.
A larger and more general sub that appeared around the same time, our Tartaria, has 8,700 members.
As conspiracy theories go, Tartaria remains obscure.
Twitter user CinemaShoeBox brought it to many people's attention last year with this thread.
A pseudoscience debunking writer, Brian Dunning.
Remember that guy?
Recently devoted an episode of his podcast Skeptoid to the Tartaria story, which appears to have emerged in 2016 and 2017. Tartaria story.
We're so in our bubble of identity politics where if you're on one side, you've got to only puppet specific narratives where he's kind of like, no, I don't know if this doesn't make sense to me.
They're the only ones that are allowed to do that.
Between them and the Simpsons.
There's a few people that are allowed to publish literature that's in that direction.
But for the most part, most people are scared.
Most people don't want to lose their jobs.
They don't want to be exiled from their communities.
They don't want to be out of their friend group.
Like you were saying about just the vaccine.
Just a simple medical decision.
Would alienate a vast...
There's a lot of people that I'd lost friends with, the same as you.
I'm just not friends with them anymore.
They attacked me during the pandemic.
And a lot of them I've seen since then, they've apologized and I forgive them, but I'm never going to trust you again if the shit goes sideways, you know?
You fold.
You fold too quick.
You're not a critical thinker.
You're not someone who goes, hey, maybe this isn't all what I'm being told.
And if you don't know the history of Fauci, and if you don't know the history of the NIH, please read Robert Kennedy's book, The Real Anthony Fauci.
Please read it.
Even if you think Robert Kennedy's a kook.
Because, by the way, I did.
I used to think he was this anti-vax kook because I was – and I apologized to him when I first met him and I had him on the podcast.
I told him, I go, I have to be honest with you.
When I first heard of you, all I had heard was the narrative, the narrative that they have so successfully spun that he is this anti-science, anti-whatever conspiracy theorist that is the embarrassment of the Kennedy family.
And that was the narrative.
Oh, this crazy guy.
And then all these people that I trust that are brilliant, like one of my friends has a PhD.
He's a genius.
He's like, you must read this book.
I'm like, really?
He goes, just please read the book, just for the facts.
Because regardless of what you think about that guy, read the book.
So I was like two paragraphs in before I called him.
Look, mind control experiments have been documented.
They've existed since the 1940s, 1950s, 1960s.
MKUltra, a great example of that.
I bring it up all the time, but it's an amazing book.
Tom O'Neill's book, Chaos, on the Mansett family murders.
The Manson family murders were almost absolutely a CIA operation that went sideways.
What they did was they got that guy, they got him when he was in prison, Jolly West visited him in prison, and it seems like they coached him on mind control using LSD. It was well known that he would give them LSD and not take it himself, and he was coercing them, convincing them, hypnotizing them, fucking with their mind, and getting them to commit murders.
And they kept letting Manson out every time they caught him.
And the sheriffs that would let him out would say, it's above my pay grade.
They were told to let him out.
So he had violated parole multiple times, he had been connected to murders, and they still kept letting him out.
They wanted him out there because that was how they were going to discredit the anti-war movement.
There's the same thing that they did with the sweeping psychedelics acts of 1970. The reason why they did it wasn't because psychedelics were a real problem.
It was because it was a great way to target civil rights activists.
It was a great way to target the Black Panthers.
It was a great way to target any anti-war people because those people were all involved with psychedelic drugs.
So you would cut their supply off, arrest the people that were involved in it, find them, get them, prosecute them, make things that people had used since the beginning of time, like psilocybin.
Turn them into Schedule I, terrible drugs that are a scourge of humanity.
Meanwhile, you're pushing Vicodins and Valiums and fucking antidepressants and oxys and all the shit that we know is not Schedule I that's out there right now on the streets.
So if we know that they did that, they operated the Haight-Ashbury Clinic in the 1960s, which, by the way, my wife's mom used to go to, that you met today?
And she lived in Haight-Ashbury, and she used to go to the Haight-Ashbury Clinic, which was run by the CIA. Wow.
They fucking ran a clinic.
They ran a free clinic.
And Manson was a regular visitor to that place.
And these are the same people that also ran Operation Midnight Climax, where they ran brothels, and they would give the Johns, they would come in to mingle with the prostitutes, they'd give them LSD and study them through two-way mirrors.
This is our government.
Our government was like running all kinds of wild studies on human beings and how to manipulate them and how to use psychedelic drugs, specifically LSD, to influence their mind.
Also, Ted Kaczynski.
Ted Kaczynski was a part of that program that was out of Harvard.
He was one of those people that got dosed up with LSD and they did all sorts of horrific psychological tests on him and studies and all these weird experiments where they would humiliate him and torture him.
And then the guy went on to decide that technology was going to be the end of mankind, and he needed to kill all the people that were creating technology.
Meanwhile, he's probably right.
He was probably right.
On acid, he probably saw where all this technology is going.
Oh my god, if we keep going, this would be the end of the human race.
It'll take us over, and it'll be our demise, and I have to stop this.
You know, he's obviously fucking insane, but also, obviously, a part of a mind control experiment gone terribly wrong, or terribly right.
Why would they abandon something that's so successful?
After he shot Lee Harvey Oswald, Jack Ruby's psychosis was diagnosed by the same CIA doctor who had once killed an elephant with psychedelics.
That's Jolly West.
Louis Jolly West.
A figure equally infamous for allegedly killing an elephant with LSD and for his work in MKUltra.
The Central Intelligence Agency's infamous interrogation hypnosis and mind control program.
An analysis of available documents from the CIA's declassified archives and Yeah, he went to visit Jack Ruby in the hospital, and Jack Ruby...
Freaked out and was saying that they were killing Jews and Satan was here and he was hiding under the bed like he went nuts.
And there was no indication that before that meeting that he was ever in some sort of a fragile psychic state or some sort of a fragile mental condition where he would just go nuts like that.
Like this was just all after Jolly West visited him.
Of course Jolly West dosed him up.
Of course.
Why wouldn't...
I mean, how did they even convince him to go shoot Lee Harvey Oswald like that?
And how did no one check people for guns?
How'd they wheel out this guy who's probably the most important defendant in the history of...
A lot of this, it seems like it's manufactured on both sides.
Because there was a gentleman who went down to the border and said, all y'all talking about how there's a fucking fight about the holes in the border, let me show you how many holes in the border there are.
Like, what they're talking about is blocking this one thing.
You can go a half a mile this way and there's an open door.
Half a mile this way, there's another open door.
He's like, it's wide open.
All they would have to do is go further down that way.
You can dismiss some of that because those are the people that they send because those are the young people that can get jobs, that can send money back home to people that are deeply impoverished.
Yeah.
Look, I get it, man, and I think you probably are the same way.
If you were living in Guatemala on a dirt floor and they told you that if you go to America, they give you free food and they put you up at the Roosevelt Hotel in New York City.
But is it even possible, is there a real path for an independent to become the president?
Because the Trumpers are not going to vote for RFK. The Trumpers are going to vote for Trump.
And that's a giant percentage of the population that is not really hip to what RFK is talking about.
And they like him over Biden, but they don't like him over Trump.
And Trump is their man.
Trump is the guy that's been in there before.
He understands how it works.
When you see what he was doing in terms of the economy was doing much better, we weren't involved in all these world conflicts.
You know, whether you like him, like Chamath from Facebook, what was this guy's name?
How do you say his name again?
Brilliant guy who was doing this thing saying, the right message but the wrong messenger.
Like Trump's policies were good, but coming from him, nobody wanted to listen to it.
But the things that he was talking about with deregulation, things he was talking about in terms of dealing with international conflicts and he was right.
He was right about how to handle ISIS. He was right about a lot of these things.
But the people that believe in him, they're not going to vote for anybody else.
Competition has always been a part of things, but how many times in the history of this world, because as Graham talks about, there could be hundreds of thousands of years in multi Younger Dryas events.
How many times did we get to this point?
Was there other societies that weren't strictly motivated by profits and advancement and competition in the form of division that actually figured the shit out?
Well, if you had a time machine, if you could exist in like a bulletproof sphere that was invisible to all the people around you and just observe a time, I would want to observe Egypt in its prime.
I like the ones that move off at insane rates of speed.
And that, like, the Tic Tac one.
The Tic Tac one, I was watching this documentary on it the other day, and they were saying that the footage was released because it wasn't supposed to be released.
Someone recorded it.
Someone recorded the FLIR footage.
Off of it, yeah.
Yeah, and someone released it.
And if it wasn't for that video footage that people have tried to debunk and they've tried to come up...
Whatever the fuck that thing is, it's showing no visible means of propulsion.
It moves off at an insane rate of speed.
It's documented on radar.
It's documented by eyewitness accounts from multiple jets.
It's documented by the instrumentation that's in the jets.
They saw this thing.
They know that this thing is operating in some way that we have no idea how to do that using conventional propulsion methods.
And they said that it's a much longer video.
What they got was only a small piece of it and that there's actually much more of it that the government has.
Whatever the fuck that thing is, That, to me, those are the kind of UFOs I'm fascinated by.
Something that can go from above 50,000 feet above sea level to 50 feet in less than a second.
Like, what is that?
What is that?
Is that ours?
Is that why it's always near military bases?
Is that why it's over in San Diego, off the coast of the Nimitz, where the Nimitz was at?
Is that why it's over in the East Coast, where they have restricted airspace?
Is that why these things are always in these places?
Is it ours?
I mean, if I had some sort of a super sophisticated drone technology that is above and beyond what we think of in terms of what's technologically available today, I would say it's UFOs too.
And the way he talks about it, it's quite brilliant.
And he talks about this one particular college in New York, one particular university that has an insane physics department.
And it's also connected to this hedge fund that does like Bernie Madoff numbers that don't seem to make sense.
So that would be a great way to get money for these things and that you have this insane physics department.
So you have these people.
That's one of the things that Diana Posalka talked about in her book about the people that are documented that are involved in these crash retrieval programs and supposedly involved in these back engineering programs.
The amount of secrecy and their adherence to secrecy is spectacular.
And this idea that people can't keep secrets, what the fuck they can't?
First of all, someone has got to be held responsible for misallocation of funds.
So let's say that you have defense spending, you have some private company, which is – by the way, which they all think it's private companies that are involved in – defense companies that are involved in this research.
And then also, I mean, again, this is what Bob Lazar talked about when he was on the show.
He said, if you had brought a nuclear reactor to, you know, the 1400s and showed it to people, it'd be indistinguishable from magic.
They'd be like, what the fuck is that?
This is sorcery.
This is crazy.
But now it's just normal.
As time goes on, a million years, two million years from now, if somehow or another there's intelligent beings that have continued this evolution of technology and innovation, they're going to get to a place where it's – they have the ability to do things that are unfathomable.
You can't even imagine it.
Your mind is not capable of it because you don't have a point of reference.
You don't have context.
There's not preexisting technology that leads you to make a logical bridge towards this potential.
Pull up the description that Ezekiel had of the wheel within a wheel.
My God, it sounds like a UFO. I would like to talk to Tucker Carlson about this.
Tucker Carlson has this belief too.
He just talked to people about this and he thinks...
He thinks that it's always been here and that it's a part of existence and that this is a part of these biblical stories of angels and devils and that's what they're really talking about.
They're talking about these interdimensional beings and the darkest, the darkest theory is one that Lazar talked about.
He said something that they talked to him about when he was working on these back-engineered crafts.
Is that what they use us as is vessels, that we are souls.
We hold souls.
And that this is essentially a farm.
And this is how they develop souls through us.
And that what our soul is, I mean if you had to imagine, what our soul is, is some force, something that they farm here with us.
When we die, it transcends and becomes whatever they are in whatever space they exist in.
Well, this is what some of these people think, is that these things have always been here, and they are a part of our history.
And that this idea that they're coming here on these metal crafts from another planet is not necessarily the whole picture.
That it might be some of that.
Because we do that.
Like we send drones to Mars.
If we get to the point where we have artificial intelligence or I should say created intelligence, digital intelligence that exists in some sort of a physical form that we can use in a physical craft that doesn't have the biological limitations of tissue, need oxygen and all the things that would prevent us from being able to travel in deep space.
You could send this thing out into the cosmos and this thing behaves like a life form.
I mean, we're essentially on our way to doing that.
We have a rover that's moving around on Mars right now as we speak.
So what is Ezekiel's Okay.
I looked.
I saw an immense dust storm coming from the north, an immense cloud with lightning flashing from it, a huge ball of fire glowing like bronze.
Within the fire were what looked like four creatures, vibrant with life.
Each had the form of a human being, but each also had four faces and four wings.
Their legs were sturdy and straight as columns, but their feet were hooved, Like those of a calf, sparkled with the fire like burnished bronze.
On all four sides, under their wings, they had human hands.
All four had both faces and wings, with the wings touching one another.
They had neither one way nor the other.
They went straight forward.
They turned neither one way nor the other.
They went straight forward.
Their faces looked like this, in front a human face.
On the right side, the face of a lion.
On the left, the face of an ox, and in the back, the face of an eagle.
So much for the faces.
The wings were spread out with the tips of one pair touching the creature on either side.
The other pair of wings covered its body.
Each creature went straight ahead.
Wherever the spirit went, they went.
They didn't turn as they want.
The four creatures looked like blazing fire or like fiery torches.
Tongues of fire shot back and forth between the creatures.
And out of the fire, bolts of lightning.
The creatures flashed back and forth like strikes of lightning.
As I watched the four creatures, I saw something that looked like a wheel on the ground beside each of the four-faced creatures.
This is what the wheels looked like.
They were identical wheels, sparkling like diamonds in the sun.
They looked like they were wheels within wheels, like a gyroscope.
I mean, that sounds like if you're living thousands of years ago, and by the way, you tell this story forever before it ever gets written down.
I mean, there's a thousand years of oral tradition of speaking these stories before these things get written down.
They went in any one of four directions they faced, but straight, not veering off.
The rims were immense, circled with eyes.
When the living creatures went, the wheels went.
When the living creatures lifted off, the wheels lifted off.
Wherever the spirit went, they went, the wheels sticking right with them.
For the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.
When the creatures went, the wheels went.
When the creatures stopped, the wheels stopped.
When the creatures lifted off, the wheels lifted off.
Because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.
One of the things that Lazar had said, there's no instrumentation inside these things.
They're piloting them with their minds.
Well, think about what they're saying.
I mean, what are you saying?
When the creatures lifted off, the wheels lifted off.
off because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.
Over the heads of the living creatures was something like a dome, shimmering like a sky full of cut glass, vaulted over their heads.
Under the dome, one set of wings was extended toward the others, with another wings covering their bodies.
When they moved, I heard their wings.
It was like the roar of a great waterfall, like the voice of the strong God, like the noise of a battlefield.
When they stopped, They folded their wings.
I mean, goddamn, man.
That sounds like...
That's a UFO. Yeah, it sounds like a UFO. UAP. That sounds like some fucking insane vision that's beyond comprehension that happens to people that live in a prehistoric civilization.
That's probably how you would describe it.
And especially if you're telling this story over and over again, it's passed down generation to generation and someone writes it down in ancient Hebrew or in Aramaic and then it has to get translated into Latin and into Greek and then eventually to English.
I mean, the whole thing is nuts.
And the Vimanas, the ancient Hindu texts that talk about them.
And it might be connected somehow or another to our minds.
The mind which produces psychedelic chemicals might also be a gateway to other dimensions.
Whatever you experience when you experience dimethyltryptamine, which we know is produced by the brain, which is the key component of ayahuasca, you experience entities.
You experience exactly what they're talking about there.
I think human beings, in particular, innovative, creative creatures, have to have something to battle against to become their better selves.
We find that in human beings.
I think it's probably a universal rule as far as how progress Gets perpetrated.
It probably gets created through battle.
And not just battle like war.
I mean battle like conflict, like competition.
It seems to be that's the key driver of innovation in our world is this sort of competition with each other, which is a form of conflict in a lot of ways.
You're battling the other competitors to see who can push each other the furthest and get the greatest discovery quickest.
But it's sort of like kind of what's going on with the creators of technology.
I mean, think about who's controlling the narrative in this world.
The narrative is essentially being controlled other than by X, you know, because Elon has essentially thrown a monkey wrench into the gears of wherever all this stuff was going.
It was all adhering to a very specific ideology.
There was no real, like, No real prevalent right-wing online technological creation like a Google or a Facebook or a YouTube or a Twitter or all these things, Instagram, all these things are controlled by leftists, every single one of them.
And they tend to be the most feminized, the least masculine, the least at least outwardly aggressive.
You know, they promote things like toxic masculinity and they demonize what's, you know, characteristics of masculine behavior.
Well, it's definitely not, because China's not that way.
And they're ruthless.
And if they get control of the same type of technology, we will see the same sort of results that they have in their society, which is a centralized digital currency.
I mean, I think as more research comes out, there's more papers published in very reputable scientific publications that talk about all the things that I was kind of stopping for and talking about.
I think in the end, you're on a decision.
You stand for something.
You stand courageously for what you believe in.
Or the opposite side of that is either saying nothing or being a coward.
And I wasn't willing to do that.
Now, say whatever you want about the way I went about doing it.
In the end, I made a decision that was best for me.
And I'm going to continue talking about this stuff because it's important to me.
And I don't want the memories to be lost.
I don't want what I went through to get brushed over.
And also, I don't give a fuck.
You know, I've been able to make a ton of money playing a sport that I'm really good at, and I'm thankful for that.
I have a platform.
Some people want you to just shut up and throw a football, and that's fine.
But I think there has to be certain voices of reason, and many people say I'm an idiot.
I don't have...
I'm not smart.
I got attacked for my intelligence levels, which is an interesting angle to attack me on.
There's a lot of things you can say about me, but that's an interesting angle to go.
But in the end, I believe that what I did and what I stand for is a tough position to be in.
But I think it's an important responsibility to continue to speak up and use my voice to give other people the permission to stand up as well.
Because there's a lot of people that believe that A lot of the things that I believe in that don't have the opportunity to do it, don't have the courage to do it, don't have the platform to do it in.
And I feel like I can speak for some of those people and hold a line for some of those people, regardless of what kind of crosshairs that puts me in with certain media members.
You know, they want to shut me down on being on McAfee.
Well, also, I don't think that conversation is a conversation that should be held in front of an audience in five-minute chunks.
like they do on television yeah that's a conversation that you have to let air out I want to know why you think the way you think him you know sit down with Jimmy why do you think the way you think why would you think that it's okay to say that it's a real simple thing the people that have been vaccinated you treat them and the people that took horse goo you know rest in peace wheezy Is that really how you feel?
Like people that are sick from a disease that was created in a fucking lab that was funded by our own tax dollars?
That's how you feel like?
Those people should just die because they don't trust the government or they don't trust the pharmaceutical industrial complex that's been responsible for lying so many fucking times.
They're literally criminal organizations.
They have some of the biggest criminal fines in the history of this country.
And that, all of a sudden, they're the ones we're supposed to trust?
The liberals were always the ones that were anti-big pharma.
They were always the ones that had no trust in big government.
Yeah, all of a sudden the ideology shifts because so many people are compromised by this very thing that we were talking about before.
The very thing that they use to control the media in terms of the news, they use it to control the media in terms of late night talk shows and monologues as well.
It's the same influence because they're the same sponsors.
The same people are spending the same money on the same networks and it has an impact.
If it affects your livelihood and affects your future and your ability to do this thing that you love doing, which is hosting a talk show, and you're doing it on a network that is paid for by that money, guess what?
That affects you.
If you don't think it affects you, look what they did with the number one guy on TV news, Tucker Carlson.
I mean, if you look at the real dark history of this country, going back to MKUltra and that chaos book by Tom O'Neill, if you just get into any of that and then delve into the Kennedy assassination, you lose all faith.
You lose all faith in the system.
You just could be fucking just petrified, frozen in fear.
But don't you think there has to be some sort of field of value that can orient people into like, hey, let's do things a little bit better because these things actually matter.
Well, unfortunately, the problem with living in a secular society and living in a society that has a lot of people that are atheists, that have no belief system at all, Is you find a belief system and that's a lot of these people that call themselves atheists or they've subscribed to the religion of woke.
You know, their god is equity and inclusiveness.
Their god is this ideology that they think that you have to subscribe to.
And that's why it's spooky.
Because human beings seem to have a very strong desire for some sort of order and form and some sort of pattern that they can follow that seems to be the right way to go.
And they can be led by cults.
They can be led by groups of people.
They can be led by intolerant governments and evil armies and corrupt politicians.
They can be led.
But I think as time rolls on, people are going to understand the need to have some sort of divine structure to things, some sort of belief in the sanctity of love and of truth.
And a lot of that comes from religion.
A lot of people's moral compass and the guidelines that they've used to follow to live a just and righteous life has come from religion.
And unfortunately, a lot of very intelligent people, they dismiss all the positive aspects of religion because they think that the stories are mere superstitious fairy tales that they have no place in this modern world and we're inherently good and your ethics are based on your own moral compass and we all have one.
That's not necessarily true.
Because you see the way people behave in war, they don't have any moral compass.
They're just fucking murderers and killers.
And we've asked people in service of our country to go to these places and behave like murderers and killers and then reintegrate into society.
Right back into society and be a good person again and they don't know how to do it and they go crazy and there's a lot of them a lot of them who come back and they don't they're Down is up and up is down.
We don't help them out on the suicide rate Suicide is the I think is it the number one killer of veterans pretty sure yeah Yeah, but yeah, it's a fucked up world.
We live in we need to we need Jesus For real.
Like, if you came back now, it'd be great.
Like, Jesus, if you're thinking about coming back...
I had said on The McAfee Show before, they had talked about, you know, forever, they talked about releasing the Epstein list or whatever.
And I had said that on the show.
And he had gone on his show and called me a tinfoil hat wearing, you know, doofus who is talking about, you know, I thought he had said that I'm an idiot for even thinking there's a list that's out there.
That's a big fucking accusation that I wouldn't make.
And I said, Jimmy, I'm glad you're not on the list.
And all I'm asking is...
Let's have the same energy for you talking about the vax and people, if you're not vaxed, just being left to die about these people on the list because it's fucked up and what goes on at the top of this shit and why people are going to Epstein's Island and all the conspiracies about whether he was a Mossad member and Ghislaine and her father and all the weird connections.
I'm for all corruption in all forms being taken down.
I don't give a fuck if you're on the right side, on the left side, whatever.
Expose it.
Especially if you're doing crazy shit like that to kids.
It seems like if you had to guess, they were compromising powerful and influential people and they could use that to control all sorts of narratives and to make all sorts of decisions.
How many people, like those guys that were CEOs that had given him money, hundreds of millions of dollars, the fact that you would walk in the foyer of his house in New York City and Bill Clinton's wearing a fucking dress and a painting, you know, and Bill Clinton was on the flight logs.
But I thought it was nuts and it turned out to be true.
It turned out to absolutely be true and still there's no effort whatsoever to try to get to the bottom of it, find out who the people were and why they were there and there's no like real hardcore congressional investigation of what was being done, how were they being influenced, what was it about.